The Megyn Kelly Show - Shock Nancy Guthrie 2013 Today Show Segment, Ben vs. Piers, and Charlie Kirk's Mission of Dialogue and Debate, with Andrew Kolvet and Blake Neff

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.340 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.280 We are continuing to broadcast from a remote location where my family's on spring break, though I am not.

00:00:51.960 First of all, an apology yesterday because it appears our show did not upload onto Apple until overnight last night,

00:00:59.040 which is very annoying.

00:01:01.080 We don't know why.

00:01:02.780 Apple is frustratingly non-communicative, but it's up now.

00:01:07.100 So hopefully you've listened to that and you'll listen to today's so you can catch up on all the news.

00:01:12.040 We did a deep dive on Nancy Guthrie, which was interesting, and we talked a lot about Iran, of course, because it's dominating the news.

00:01:17.080 But a lot to get to today.

00:01:18.920 If you can believe it, that homicidal maniac Lindsey Graham was right back on Hannity last night, getting as much pushback as he's gotten thus far, meaning zero.

00:01:26.520 Zero.

00:01:26.940 I mean, I don't think it is The Sean Hannity Show.

00:01:29.400 I think it's The Lindsey Graham Show.

00:01:31.680 This is why, you know, you need a firm hand on the tiller over there because somebody needs to intervene and tell them that the way journalism is practiced is there's pushback.

00:01:43.920 When someone continues to make frothing at the mouth claims about how many countries we should bomb, as the United States, someone, a responsible host would say,

00:01:51.480 Oh, but gee, what about the human death toll?

00:01:54.440 Oh, but gee, how does that endanger the United States of America?

00:01:57.560 None of that is happening there.

00:01:59.160 It's really crazy to me.

00:02:01.220 And equally crazy over on CNN is Abby Phillip, who is not only allowing but actually pushing herself the lie that what happened in New York City the other day with this attempted terrorist attack with the two IEDs was an attack, a terror attack on Mayor Mabdani.

00:02:21.480 That it was a Muslim being attacked by IEDs at a white supremacist rally.

00:02:28.660 That's exactly the opposite of what happened.

00:02:31.160 It was radical Muslims launching the bombs, attacking those who were protesting, and cops.

00:02:38.660 The bomb was thrown at the cops who were on duty.

00:02:41.180 But this passes for journalism over on CBS, and by the way, sorry, CNN, and by the way, CBS was also complicit, running a story that when they talked about those who threw the bombs, showed MAGA supporters.

00:02:54.520 Like it was MAGA who threw the bombs.

00:02:58.700 Like the media manipulation right now is kind of out of control.

00:03:01.660 You've got to really buckle up and just go with your trusted sources because right now everyone's trying to manipulate you.

00:03:08.460 We are not.

00:03:09.600 You know, here on this show, I'll tell you if it's my opinion versus a fact.

00:03:12.540 The last thing I want, my worst nightmare is to have my audience running around out there with the wrong facts from me.

00:03:18.020 And I promise never to do that with you.

00:03:20.200 I will tell you when it's facts as opposed to my opinion.

00:03:24.180 And you can filter it appropriately.

00:03:26.540 In just a bit, we're going to be joined by our pals from Turning Point.

00:03:29.960 We've got Charlie Kirk producers Andrew Colvett and Blake Neff.

00:03:33.480 They co-hosted the Charlie show now.

00:03:36.760 Amazingly, it's been six months since we lost Charlie as of yesterday.

00:03:41.960 I mean, it has been a lifetime in some ways.

00:03:44.740 You know, it's like you see these clips of Charlie online and you miss him so much.

00:03:49.240 He had so much wisdom.

00:03:50.440 Like there was – he had so many thoughts and so many things and he had warned us all about so many things, including war with Iran.

00:03:56.680 Give anything to be able to hear him now, right?

00:03:59.080 I think he would support the administration, though not the war.

00:04:02.920 That's my own take.

00:04:03.780 That's my guess is Charlie was very, very opposed to a war with Iran, understanding.

00:04:08.640 Young people didn't want that.

00:04:09.940 It was potential for quagmire, but he loved the president.

00:04:12.680 And I think, you know, he would not have wanted to undermine the president and the administration.

00:04:18.640 And I understand that, too.

00:04:19.560 I would say I have less of that, you know, protective instinct because I'm – Charlie wasn't a journalist.

00:04:25.960 He was, you know, a political operative and a very smart pundit and a thought leader and a faith leader.

00:04:32.100 I'm in a bit of a different role but also feel loyalty to the president and absolutely want to see him succeed and us succeed and our troops succeed here.

00:04:38.900 But I also feel it's my patriotic duty to object when I do and not be shy about saying I don't think this is a good idea.

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00:05:35.120 I want to start with this.

00:05:36.600 Something extraordinary that we found in the Nancy Guthrie case.

00:05:39.160 You guys are not going to believe your eyes.

00:05:42.400 We went back and found footage of the inside of Nancy Guthrie's bedroom.

00:05:49.900 We have it.

00:05:51.200 No one's seen this.

00:05:52.960 We found it in a 2013 episode of the Today Show.

00:05:58.420 It was a segment in which Savannah Guthrie was interviewing her mom, the mom live in her home in Tucson, Arizona.

00:06:06.560 Savannah live on the Today Show set in New York.

00:06:10.100 It was a lighthearted segment about how to make your bed.

00:06:13.060 Apparently, Nancy Guthrie is big on making your bed and had taught Savannah exactly how it ought to be made.

00:06:18.920 And they decided to do one of those fun segments where, like, they have beds on set and the anchors will try to do Nancy's way.

00:06:24.600 And that's what they did.

00:06:25.600 But you are about to see inside Nancy Guthrie's bedroom.

00:06:31.360 Keep in mind, Savannah said her mother was taken from her bed in the dark of night.

00:06:36.380 Well, you're about to see her bed in her house.

00:06:39.800 It's the same house she's had since 1991.

00:06:43.740 You're about to see it for the first time.

00:06:46.380 This is from 2013.

00:06:48.720 Watch this.

00:06:50.720 My mom is up early in Tucson, Arizona.

00:06:53.780 Nancy Guthrie joins us now.

00:06:55.080 Hi, Mom.

00:06:55.540 Good morning.

00:06:57.920 Hi, Savannah.

00:06:59.640 Hi, everybody.

00:07:01.000 Hi, Mom.

00:07:01.160 Good morning, Nancy.

00:07:01.560 I see that you've already made your bed even though it's 3 a.m. there or whatever.

00:07:05.660 Exactly.

00:07:06.280 Mom, why was this an important skill to teach me?

00:07:10.420 Well, I think everybody needs to know how to make a bed.

00:07:13.300 And so when the time came to teach you guys how to make a bed, this is what I tried to teach you anyway.

00:07:19.100 Now, this is not just your standard bed making.

00:07:21.480 This is the hospital corners bed making.

00:07:23.580 We're talking you can bounce a quarter off of it, right, Nancy?

00:07:27.700 Natalie, don't put me to the test.

00:07:29.920 It's way too early.

00:07:31.060 Oh, I guess she's backing off.

00:07:32.820 Nancy, I just want to know how difficult Savannah was when you tried to teach her this.

00:07:36.120 How much screaming and stomping her feet was involved.

00:07:40.020 All three of the kids thought it was a really worthless skill.

00:07:43.240 Oh, how do we do it?

00:07:44.460 So, Mom, first you show everybody how to do it, okay?

00:07:47.800 And then you can judge how we do it.

00:07:50.600 Okay, that sounds like a plan.

00:07:52.180 Well, basically, since my bed's already made, the most important thing you have to do is to make sure this top sheet is really pulled in here tightly because that's going to give you your smooth corner.

00:08:04.740 And then you pull this over, and you make kind of like a triangle.

00:08:09.200 Triangle, I remember that.

00:08:10.200 Don't get started with it.

00:08:11.200 And then you tuck it under as tightly as you can.

00:08:15.400 But here's the little skill.

00:08:18.000 See this nice corner?

00:08:19.140 Yeah.

00:08:19.580 You want to make sure that's as tight as can be.

00:08:22.240 Okay.

00:08:22.560 You tuck it in.

00:08:23.320 And you can keep cookies in there.

00:08:24.180 Then when you sleep, yeah.

00:08:25.620 There you go.

00:08:26.640 And then, Mom, when you sleep in the middle of the night, it doesn't pull out.

00:08:29.620 All right.

00:08:30.040 That's because for David, this would be a toy bed.

00:08:32.220 That's good.

00:08:33.540 That's a problem.

00:08:34.280 Mom, thank you so much.

00:08:35.600 It's so good to see you.

00:08:36.520 Thanks for coming on the show.

00:08:37.840 I know it's early there.

00:08:38.600 What is this too?

00:08:40.020 It's really early.

00:08:42.200 Bye-bye.

00:08:42.900 Bye-bye.

00:08:44.060 Okay.

00:08:44.580 So what's interesting about that clip is you can see where she slept every night and

00:08:51.180 you can see exactly what this abductor must have walked into.

00:08:54.920 I mean, does anybody's mother dramatically overhaul their bedroom when they're in their

00:09:01.300 80s, 70s?

00:09:02.500 I mean, that was, what, 13 years ago?

00:09:04.520 So Nancy Guthrie would have been 70, just about 70.

00:09:10.900 Whatever.

00:09:11.460 She may or may not have.

00:09:12.300 But the point is simply you can see right into her bedroom and generally the way it

00:09:15.320 was and the way it was set up.

00:09:16.520 And she lives in the same house.

00:09:18.200 And what you're seeing for the listening audience is a bed that's, it looks like it's a king,

00:09:21.960 might be a queen, queen at the smallest.

00:09:25.140 And right next to it, you can see the side table with a small lamp and some books stacked

00:09:30.300 there.

00:09:30.560 And maybe a foot and a half off of that is the window, is a window leading right into her

00:09:36.160 bedroom.

00:09:36.820 So she clearly had a window leading outside that would have taken you right into Nancy's bedroom,

00:09:40.780 home, which suggests, I mean, I don't know, actually, I guess I shouldn't say whether it's

00:09:44.480 on the first floor.

00:09:45.420 I think the whole house is a ranch.

00:09:47.500 So it would have been directly to the outside of the home and possibly accessible.

00:09:52.280 And we don't know how the intruder walked in.

00:09:54.980 We know that the back door was reportedly found open and that there was reportedly forced

00:09:59.360 entry.

00:09:59.960 The cops are not confirming that, but that was Ashley Banfield reporting early on.

00:10:03.360 And we know that we saw an intruder mess with the front door and at least consider trying

00:10:08.640 to go through that way.

00:10:10.880 But so you see another, then you see a small bookcase, like maybe a two-shelf bookcase that's

00:10:16.240 low, would kind of fit underneath the window.

00:10:18.940 And what looked to me like a VCR or DVD player, you know, again, this is 2013, underneath it.

00:10:26.200 And so here's why I think this is interesting, because we had an alleged kidnapper note early

00:10:32.760 on in the Nancy Guthrie scandal claiming they knew exactly where she kept her Apple watch.

00:10:38.640 And they had described something inside Nancy's bedroom that led some, according to Harvey Levin,

00:10:44.480 Sheriff Harvey, as Zach Peter calls him, Harvey saying that they were taking these alleged ransom

00:10:51.120 notes very seriously, and that the police had reportedly spun their wheels quite a bit

00:10:56.320 on these notes.

00:10:57.500 Did those people behind that note see this segment?

00:11:01.800 Because you could describe, I could go right now and write a very convincing kidnap note

00:11:06.140 on Nancy Guthrie.

00:11:07.720 I could describe the inside of that room to a T.

00:11:10.860 And if you didn't know that the Today Show had aired that footage in 2013, you would be very

00:11:16.700 convinced that I had been inside Nancy Guthrie's bedroom, and I never have been, right?

00:11:22.800 I could describe the brown carpeting.

00:11:24.420 I could describe the tan bedspread.

00:11:26.040 I could describe the ornate head of the bed where it's sort of wooden, and it's got four

00:11:33.780 arches and an intricate design.

00:11:38.560 I could describe the lamp right next to the bed, which is sort of princess-style, old-fashioned.

00:11:44.440 And the DVD player, the window right there with some sheer white curtains.

00:11:50.300 I mean, I could convince you.

00:11:52.920 So this is a crazy piece of tape to surface.

00:11:55.540 We found it.

00:11:56.380 And I wonder whether the authorities are even aware that this was broadcast publicly.

00:12:03.480 This is the thing, you guys.

00:12:05.540 I mentioned this to you, but having been at the Today Show for a short time, they do really

00:12:11.620 lean on you to overshare.

00:12:15.280 You know, they leaned on me to overshare.

00:12:17.940 It's not born out of nefarious intent.

00:12:20.880 They want the audience to feel like they know you, and I get that, but you have to be really

00:12:27.300 careful.

00:12:28.420 Like, I know all of, I think all of the Today Show hosts show their children and their faces

00:12:34.400 on TV, certainly Savannah does, Hoda, and it's very dangerous.

00:12:39.760 It's dangerous.

00:12:41.560 The mom is a different story.

00:12:42.960 I mean, I showed my mom, too, because prior to this, nobody ever thought their mom could

00:12:47.360 be potentially endangered.

00:12:48.620 You know, it was just, this is a whole new kind of crime.

00:12:50.860 Um, but to actually go into the bedroom and show off like the most intimate area of her

00:12:58.220 mom's life may have given somebody some sort of way of manipulating either the FBI and the

00:13:07.660 Pima County Sheriff's Department by being able to say you knew what it looked like, or potentially

00:13:12.100 giving you a roadmap for what you would encounter once you got into that bedroom, if you were

00:13:16.360 a bad guy willing to do some homework, uh, that's just speculation.

00:13:20.820 We don't know whether that's what's happened, but it's a shocking thing to see because all

00:13:24.360 this time, these past, you know, six weeks, 39 days, I think we're at now, we've been

00:13:30.480 talking about how she was taken out of her bed and out of her bedroom in the middle of

00:13:34.880 the night, and now we see exactly what that would have looked like, and there's something

00:13:38.660 very eerie about it.

00:13:40.860 It just makes me want to pray for Nancy Guthrie even harder.

00:13:43.600 This poor woman, there she was more vibrant, you know, 13 years ago, as we all were 13 years

00:13:48.880 ago, and, um, you know, standing on her own two feet, uh, looking not like a young woman,

00:13:56.900 but, but younger than when she was taken, and you picture her more feeble and in that

00:14:00.540 bed as any 84-year-old would be scared out of her mind if somebody came into that small

00:14:06.080 room and grabbed her.

00:14:07.520 It's awful.

00:14:08.380 Um, on a related note, today, there is a, an article in the, uh, New York Post that is

00:14:16.200 all about Sheriff Nanos and how he was forced to resign from his first job.

00:14:25.140 The reason I want to talk to you about this just briefly is because we've been discussing

00:14:29.360 on the show, I'm trying to pull up the article, so forgive me for, uh, just looking at my phone

00:14:33.580 here, but we've been discussing how this man is not careful.

00:14:37.560 You know, if you watch yesterday's show, which again, did not download on Apple, but

00:14:41.300 if you listen to it on Spotify, you heard it or you saw it on YouTube, um, how he's not

00:14:45.120 careful, this guy, that he's been not careful with his words.

00:14:48.940 And one wonders whether he's been careful with this investigation.

00:14:52.360 You know, it leads right to whether we're dealing with some criminal mastermind who committed

00:14:56.540 this crime or some doofus who got lucky because he had another doofus running the investigation

00:15:03.460 on the other side.

00:15:04.900 These are questions we have not yet had answered, but there's a article, there's an article

00:15:08.700 in the New York Post today writing about how Nanos was forced to resign from his very

00:15:13.400 first policing job reading here to avoid being fired over embarrassing blunders and then posted

00:15:19.380 a resume online that fudged the dates of his employment.

00:15:22.240 This is, he started in the, um, El Paso Sheriff's department and was forced out in 1982, but

00:15:28.560 his resume would later suggest he left in 1984, which is not true.

00:15:32.920 They write that he racked up a laundry list of infractions ranging from excessive force

00:15:37.780 to off-duty gambling to improperly using his siren and simple tardiness.

00:15:44.580 They're citing the Arizona Republic for this report.

00:15:47.520 Those missteps, including an allegation that he kicked a suspect in the head so badly they

00:15:52.100 were hospitalized, landed Nanos with 37 days of unpaid leave in the early eighties and

00:15:57.540 resulted in him finally being told to either step down or get canned.

00:16:00.740 According to this outlet, Arizona Republic, he took the resignation option, but messed up

00:16:06.020 the dates in his publicly posted resume, which stated that he was, he remained with El Paso

00:16:10.460 until 1984, two years longer than he did.

00:16:13.000 The Sheriff's office acknowledged the inaccuracy.

00:16:15.880 This is present day, I believe, calling it another missed, calling it and another missed

00:16:20.880 day, quote, the clerical errors that had been corrected.

00:16:23.860 But Nanos himself brushed it off when pressed.

00:16:28.000 I get it because this is 1982.

00:16:30.380 He says, that's your urgent request.

00:16:31.920 You sure you don't want to go back to my high school and ask why I got swats from the

00:16:35.280 principal?

00:16:35.760 Good luck with your hip piece, he told the Republic.

00:16:37.460 Um, but again, what's interesting about it is that he's been making confusing and contradictory

00:16:44.120 statements about this investigation from the beginning.

00:16:47.040 And here we see it's a pattern with this guy.

00:16:50.300 It's a pattern.

00:16:51.960 And, uh, you know, as you get it, an up close view into the bedroom of the missing woman,

00:16:59.700 the crime scene, this is our first look at the crime scene.

00:17:03.600 Uh, you, it gives you a more full picture of what poor Nancy was up against on the moment

00:17:09.860 she was taken and what she's been up against and the Guthrie family has been up against

00:17:14.380 ever since, which is an investigator who does not seem careful, does not seem attentive to

00:17:21.560 detail in the way you'd want if this were your mother and poor Nancy, a sitting duck in

00:17:28.180 that small, quiet, elderly woman's room, which should have been the picture of safety.

00:17:34.520 And as we all know now was not want to talk to you about not exactly and a related, uh,

00:17:41.240 segment, but what a, what a transition for us, the view and whoopie Goldberg and her take

00:17:49.800 on why we are now involved in the Iran war.

00:17:54.060 Believe it or not, it's going to tie Nancy Guthrie and Iran together.

00:17:59.220 Watch this.

00:18:00.340 It's just nutty as hell.

00:18:02.360 It's nutty as hell.

00:18:03.660 Yeah.

00:18:03.840 And, and you're right.

00:18:04.760 Every day is something new and it's, you know, I was thinking about it yesterday because

00:18:09.400 I thought, well, okay, why haven't we been talking about Savannah Guthrie and what's going

00:18:16.480 on there?

00:18:17.420 Why haven't we not been taught?

00:18:19.380 Why have we not been talking about the Epstein files?

00:18:22.380 Because that's still there.

00:18:24.300 This is meant to get us so worked up that we are unable to see anything else.

00:18:32.800 I mean, that, that is true.

00:18:34.740 Crazy talk.

00:18:36.040 How does ABC allow this person to go on the air every day and talk to us about the news?

00:18:41.040 We, so we launched the Iran war in which seven U.S. service personnel have died.

00:18:47.180 And the latest is 140 have been wounded.

00:18:51.240 Most, not seriously, thank God, but some seriously.

00:18:54.820 That, that President Trump would do that to distract from the Nancy Guthrie, from the Nancy

00:19:01.880 Guthrie skin.

00:19:02.580 I, I'm sorry to laugh.

00:19:03.640 It's just the absurdity of it is so readily apparent.

00:19:07.400 How did no one run out there with one of their little producer notes saying, you are fucking

00:19:12.060 crazy, madam.

00:19:14.100 That's crazy talk.

00:19:15.260 The Epstein thing is also crazy, but it's been more widespread.

00:19:20.640 So like, that's, that's your standard garden variety leftist crazy talking point.

00:19:25.660 The stuff about like Nancy Guthrie, Trump doesn't want people talking about Nancy Guthrie.

00:19:30.620 So we invaded Iran, not invaded, but attacked.

00:19:34.260 What?

00:19:35.020 That's insane.

00:19:37.240 That's not a well person.

00:19:38.800 And while we're on the subject of, of Whoopi, and I'll get back to Iran in a moment, but

00:19:43.160 while we're on the subject of Whoopi, we've been trying to get to this for a couple of

00:19:45.900 days.

00:19:46.760 Can I just, I want to, I want to show you something from Whoopi Goldberg, who's constantly, despite

00:19:53.860 the fact that she is, she's like another Michelle Obama, despite the fact that she is one of the

00:19:58.000 richest, most successful Americans in, in U.S. history.

00:20:02.380 She's one of those people who's got the EGOT, you know, the Emmy, the Grammy, the Oscar,

00:20:06.240 and the Tony, um, she's been lauded on every stage.

00:20:11.020 She's a movie star.

00:20:13.040 She's a household name.

00:20:14.940 She hosts this show every day where she gets to express her opinions.

00:20:17.880 She's a multi, multi-millionaire.

00:20:20.260 She still complains regularly about what a racist country this is and backward country

00:20:27.060 and how hard it is to be black in America like Whoopi is.

00:20:30.440 Okay.

00:20:30.600 Just watch this.

00:20:32.060 Every day we are worried.

00:20:34.420 Do we have to be worried about our kids?

00:20:37.120 Are our kids going to get shot because they're running through somebody's neighborhood?

00:20:41.160 But I think it's important.

00:20:42.120 We remember there are places much darker than this country and people who deserve right.

00:20:46.100 Not everybody feels that way.

00:20:48.440 Not everybody feels that way.

00:20:50.060 Racism is, is in the heart of the country.

00:20:53.500 It just, you can't get away from it.

00:20:55.360 It is a fact.

00:20:56.300 Racism does exist.

00:20:57.680 It is a fact that slavery existed.

00:21:01.320 You can't cover it up.

00:21:02.560 You can't bury it deep enough.

00:21:03.920 There's too many of us.

00:21:05.380 We already know.

00:21:07.140 I don't understand why it's still so difficult to just admit racism is and has been part of

00:21:15.900 U.S. history.

00:21:17.340 They lynched black folks.

00:21:18.460 Black folks didn't climb up in the trees and lynch themselves.

00:21:21.360 Okay, literally nobody's trying to erase that from history.

00:21:26.080 This is a left-wing lie that Republicans are trying to whitewash slavery out of the history

00:21:30.920 books.

00:21:31.380 It is a lie.

00:21:32.680 Just because Republicans are not obsessed with critical race theory and DEI and are trying

00:21:38.040 to erase, remove that scourge from our school textbooks where it has no place.

00:21:44.320 If you want to sign up for that bullshit kind of class in college, go for it.

00:21:48.160 It's your money to waste.

00:21:49.000 Just public education, where most parents are slaves to the system, does not need that

00:21:54.140 propaganda shoved down our children's throats.

00:21:56.800 History, slavery, obviously, this is a left-wing lie in response to the removal from race indoctrination

00:22:04.700 by some Republican or more right-leaning school districts.

00:22:08.060 In any event, so that's Whoopi.

00:22:09.800 She's very obsessed with racism, I guess because the country's been so bad to her.

00:22:14.540 Well, guess what Whoopi did this week?

00:22:16.040 She put some portion, a large portion from the look of it, of her belongings up for auction.

00:22:22.880 And we actually got our hands on the auction promotion.

00:22:27.800 And we are getting to take a look at what it is that Whoopi would like you to buy.

00:22:33.840 There is, I mean, this is like, this is the stuff she's willing to discard.

00:22:37.600 It's like meaningless to her, so she doesn't want it anymore.

00:22:39.980 An 18-karat white gold tanzanite and diamond ring, you can get it for $9,000 if you happen

00:22:46.360 to have $9,000 to spare on a random ring.

00:22:50.360 Look at that, very pretty.

00:22:52.160 Means fucking nothing to her.

00:22:53.840 She's like, take it.

00:22:55.060 I don't care.

00:22:55.960 I don't need my $9,000 ring.

00:22:57.660 Here's a late art deco, 14,000 yellow gold synthetic ruby and diamond cigarette case for

00:23:04.240 $6,000.

00:23:07.320 Do you have a $6,000 cigarette case?

00:23:11.200 Do you need one?

00:23:12.560 Because Whoopi's got one to spare.

00:23:14.760 This is the oppressed person who wants you to feel sorry for her because of her black skin.

00:23:19.120 She's oppressed in America.

00:23:20.320 So, you know, you can see it in her $6,000 art deco cigarette case, gold plated.

00:23:24.640 Um, here's a worn, uh, $14,000 rose and yellow gold and opal cicada pendant necklace for $3,500.

00:23:35.940 $3,500 bucks.

00:23:37.560 All right?

00:23:37.780 So right now we're at 15, we're almost at $20,000.

00:23:41.340 Um, that's just off the top of my head here.

00:23:43.900 Just looking at a few of the items.

00:23:45.200 There's an antique $18,000 yellow gold pocket watch worth $1,750.

00:23:49.500 She's asking for 70, do you have a $1,700 pocket watch?

00:23:52.520 Well, you're, you're, you're the oppressor.

00:23:55.400 If you're white, I don't care whether you have one or you don't.

00:23:58.160 You oppress this lady.

00:23:59.520 Your white skin makes you the oppressor and Whoopi the victim, even though she has a $1,700

00:24:03.940 pocket watch.

00:24:06.240 Who the hell even has any sort of a pocket watch in 2026 America?

00:24:09.880 Well, she wants you to have it and you can have it for the low, low price of $1,750.

00:24:13.140 Then there's the more absurd items.

00:24:15.180 Okay?

00:24:16.180 There is Peepeck by what's his name?

00:24:20.600 Peeing Balloon Dog.

00:24:22.520 This will run you $600 if you want her peeing balloon dog.

00:24:27.600 It is a yellow, it looks like a, it looks like a balloon dog in red on a pile of yellow

00:24:33.080 pee on what looks like plastic yellow pee.

00:24:35.820 And she will charge you $600 if you want this off of her website.

00:24:39.360 Then there's the Denise Vasquez vinyl Whoopi money doll for 200 bucks.

00:24:44.580 I don't know what we're looking at here, but I'm afraid.

00:24:46.680 It's a, it's a miniature of Whoopi looking very angry, which is, I mean, she's scary enough

00:24:50.500 without the weird, like they've made her Asian and I don't know what's going on.

00:24:54.860 It's, it's a strange little thing, but it'll cost you 200 beans.

00:24:58.400 2010, the Lion King Broadway and The View worn headdress for 800 bucks.

00:25:02.620 So it looks like a pineapple.

00:25:06.540 It's a pineapple hat.

00:25:07.680 I guess she wore it on The View, so she gets to charge you $800.

00:25:12.340 15 people have bid on this thing.

00:25:14.860 She gets to charge you $800 for this.

00:25:19.280 Cindy Lauper signed memoir for $700.

00:25:22.000 So Cindy Lauper signed a memoir for Whoopi.

00:25:25.680 The note reads, you can see it signed, Whoopi, I hope you like this book.

00:25:29.720 You've always inspired me to contribute to the whole world.

00:25:32.120 Thanks, XXCindy.

00:25:33.860 Who auctions off a personal gift that is signed to them for $700?

00:25:40.740 No offense, Cindy.

00:25:41.900 I couldn't give two shits about you or your stupid book.

00:25:46.820 I'm auctioning it.

00:25:48.700 Like who doesn't even just give that away if you're going to give it away?

00:25:51.020 Is she hard up for cash?

00:25:53.500 I think she's hard up for cash for some reason.

00:25:56.000 I'm not sure why else she would be doing that.

00:25:58.300 You can buy the actual memoir of Cindy Lauper for $14.95 at Walmart,

00:26:03.120 or you can pay $700 to get the one that's been signed by her to someone else,

00:26:09.700 not to you, at Whoopi's auction.

00:26:13.600 There's the Six Black Folk Art Dolls Antique and Reproduction for $150.

00:26:19.840 Six Black Folk Art Dolls.

00:26:23.280 And sure enough, it looks like black people, little miniature black people.

00:26:29.060 I don't know what they're wearing.

00:26:31.100 Dresses, I guess this is like historical, looks from like the olden days, folk.

00:26:36.320 I guess this is their folk wear.

00:26:38.620 What was she doing with these?

00:26:39.900 Where were these in her house?

00:26:41.120 I love to get a look at Whoopi's house pre-auction.

00:26:45.260 By the way, there's tons of furniture.

00:26:46.840 There's a baby grand piano up for, you know, auction.

00:26:50.200 She's just kind of auctioning off her baby grand like one does.

00:26:53.920 There's a Royal Vienna-style porcelain pitcher for $75.

00:26:58.160 That one features a white woman.

00:26:59.720 You can get that one cheap, $75.

00:27:01.480 The white lady's going cheap.

00:27:03.200 Get it now while you can.

00:27:04.140 $75 for this pitcher.

00:27:07.660 You can get a nice pitcher at Crate & Barrel for $30 instead if you want.

00:27:11.720 And then there's the Morgenthau Frederick's eyeglasses.

00:27:14.380 One pair, multi-even worn.

00:27:18.880 Oh, three pairs.

00:27:20.100 Three pairs.

00:27:20.480 $350 for three pairs of Whoopi's weird-ass worn sunglasses.

00:27:29.620 Like, do they have a prescription?

00:27:31.900 Are they – what am I buying, Whoopi?

00:27:33.760 I'm just buying them to look like you?

00:27:35.480 I don't know.

00:27:36.120 But this is one of America's most oppressed people selling you her used eyeglasses for $350

00:27:41.680 and her weird little knick-knacks for $75, $150, and her personally gifted books.

00:27:50.940 Now, I would be remiss if I moved on from this segment without mentioning Gwyneth Paltrow

00:27:54.620 because while we were over there searching for Whoopi's weird items,

00:27:58.180 we ran into Gwyneth Paltrow's auction items of note.

00:28:02.380 And she might be even weirder than Whoopi.

00:28:05.420 She – first of all, she's auctioning off a picture of her ex-husband.

00:28:11.680 And who does that?

00:28:14.460 Who takes – like, what clearly once meant something to her,

00:28:19.340 a photograph of her husband, Chris Martin, the lead singer of Coldplay,

00:28:22.840 and auctions it for the low, low price of $100.

00:28:26.180 It only has four bids.

00:28:29.600 People are not that interested.

00:28:32.940 It's really not that compelling, I guess.

00:28:35.840 Then here's the capper.

00:28:38.240 Then there is a naked picture of Gwyneth.

00:28:40.080 So if you would like to see a naked picture of Gwyneth, she's – you can't actually see her private part.

00:28:45.120 She's got, like, the hand over the breasts, Demi Moore style, when Demi was pregnant and on the cover of the magazine.

00:28:50.320 And she's got the other hand over the vag.

00:28:53.180 2008 signed Mario Testino photograph portrait, $250.

00:28:57.540 $250 she wants.

00:28:58.740 Got seven bids.

00:29:01.060 Who has a naked picture of themselves framed in their homes?

00:29:04.820 Because this is framed – she clearly had that done and had it up on her wall.

00:29:11.180 And I guess now she has new naked pictures of herself or something, so she wants you to have it, and you can, for $250.

00:29:18.020 She's auctioning off her Coldplay EconoMuff earmuffs for $50, clearly a gift from her husband, $50.

00:29:23.960 Okay, so, you know, I mean, the love goes stale, and I guess so do the earmuffs, which look more like headphones.

00:29:33.240 Maybe it's just what they call Coldplay headphones.

00:29:36.680 I don't know, but she's no longer into them.

00:29:39.120 And she's apparently no longer into the Jeffrey Dahmer eyeglasses that we believe she wore to that trial when she was sued for the ski mountain mishap.

00:29:48.440 Remember, she made news for wearing, like, they were direct – they look like Jeffrey Dahmer glasses, and here they are.

00:29:54.120 They're extremely ugly.

00:29:55.900 And she will charge you $500 for them.

00:29:58.740 They are a prescription.

00:29:59.980 So just a roll of the dice on whether they fit you.

00:30:04.180 You know, here's the best.

00:30:05.180 This is the best thing on there.

00:30:07.840 Moms out there, do you have a mom necklace?

00:30:09.880 Most of us do.

00:30:10.720 It either reads mom or it has your kids' initials on it.

00:30:13.340 I have one.

00:30:13.840 I'm sure you have something like it or have considered it.

00:30:16.500 She's auctioning hers off.

00:30:19.440 Hers reads mom.

00:30:21.100 It's in 18-karat yellow gold.

00:30:23.700 And you can have Gwyneth's mom necklace for $250.

00:30:30.740 Can you believe this shit?

00:30:32.720 Also, you can get her Birkin bag for $15,000 because it's no longer important to Gwyneth.

00:30:37.440 She doesn't care.

00:30:39.240 Take her Birkin bag for the low, low price of $15,000.

00:30:43.720 Or I guess the best bid, to be honest, the best bid.

00:30:47.760 One other piece of Paltrow news while we're talking about her.

00:30:51.520 These Hollywood celebrities are just off.

00:30:53.380 There's something wrong with them.

00:30:55.080 We know this.

00:30:56.460 And yet they pretend to be our moral betters and they get out there and they lecture us on,

00:30:59.680 you know, how we need to be better people, et cetera, all the time.

00:31:01.900 Well, Gwyneth Paltrow made news because she's starring across from Timothee Chalamet in the

00:31:08.900 film Marty Supreme.

00:31:10.900 And she's 53.

00:31:12.780 He's 30.

00:31:14.400 He's dating Kylie Jenner, who's also basically a child.

00:31:18.220 And Gwyneth took this role, reportedly turned down by Julia Roberts because Julia understood,

00:31:24.580 who's Julie's pushing 60, that this would look totally inappropriate for her.

00:31:28.880 I have to credit Julia Roberts.

00:31:30.140 She doesn't do the stuff that a lot of these other celebrities do.

00:31:33.320 She keeps her children out of the news.

00:31:34.820 She doesn't invent fake photo ops of herself sitting at the Starbucks like J-Lo's doing

00:31:40.680 every other day.

00:31:41.940 And she has taste when it comes to the project she takes on.

00:31:46.760 She turned down this role, even though it's across from the new Hollywood It Boy, because

00:31:52.080 she understood that there were some very steamy love scenes in which she'd have to be all over

00:31:57.480 someone literally half her age, and this would neither make her comfortable doing, nor would

00:32:03.300 it make her look good once it hit the theaters.

00:32:06.620 And sure enough, Gwyneth Paltrow is now experiencing backlash for the sex scenes, the very steamy

00:32:14.760 sex scenes she's done with somebody who is almost 25 years younger than she is.

00:32:20.740 Our pal Maureen Callahan over at The Nerve called this out.

00:32:25.260 Take a listen here to Maureen.

00:32:28.360 Oh, by the way, I have to give you a warning, according to Canadian Debbie.

00:32:32.920 Apparently, this is rather steamy and inappropriate.

00:32:35.260 So hide the children, and here's a little peek at why Maureen is upset.

00:32:39.540 There's a sex scene in this movie that I found extremely disturbing.

00:32:44.760 I cannot believe anybody is—I can't believe nobody else is talking about this.

00:32:49.260 Again, this is Why The Nerve exists.

00:32:50.540 Here we go.

00:32:52.660 I'm sorry.

00:32:54.020 Ms. Stone wanted to let you know that she'd love to have lunch with you.

00:32:57.480 Ms. Stone?

00:32:57.780 That's Gwyneth.

00:32:58.400 Yes.

00:33:01.060 Smash cut to them having sex in the shower.

00:33:04.820 Mate is behind her.

00:33:06.460 He's got his hand wrapped around her neck, joking her, and also removing her diamond necklace,

00:33:14.360 which he's going to retrieve later from the drink.

00:33:15.920 But he's got his hand around her neck, and she looks like she is in ecstasy.

00:33:22.260 This is what porn has done to young men.

00:33:28.120 They think that this is what women want.

00:33:31.280 They think this is hot.

00:33:33.040 They think this is sexy.

00:33:34.620 They think this is powerful.

00:33:36.020 Never let a man put his hands around your neck, no matter what.

00:33:43.020 This is disgusting.

00:33:45.820 This is disgusting.

00:33:48.460 I mean, shame on these filmmakers, and shame on Gwyneth Paltrow, too.

00:33:51.520 I mean, this is really—that's vile.

00:33:53.520 And that sex scene was disturbing.

00:33:55.960 Maureen has it exactly right.

00:33:58.160 And, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow, she doesn't need the money.

00:34:00.320 She actually doesn't need your $500, so she can give you her Jeffrey Dahmer glasses.

00:34:05.660 I will tell you something.

00:34:07.220 Most of us who have expensive items that we no longer want, donate them.

00:34:13.840 Okay?

00:34:14.440 Donate.

00:34:15.420 I can't tell you the number of things that I've donated.

00:34:17.580 I would never consider charging you for my used prescription glasses, though I will donate them.

00:34:24.920 I'll donate bags.

00:34:26.360 I'll donate clothing.

00:34:27.420 Like, this is crazy what these women are doing.

00:34:30.520 And what is with the weird exhibitionism?

00:34:33.520 Why can't anyone in Hollywood just age?

00:34:36.740 I think this is a desperate ploy by her to hold on to her youth.

00:34:41.380 The same reason she's photographing herself naked and wanting you to look at her naked,

00:34:46.860 now, you know, in her mid-50s, is the same reason she said yes to that shower scene.

00:34:52.440 Because she doesn't have the class or self-confidence of Julia Roberts.

00:34:56.480 Again, Julia Roberts and I have very different politics.

00:34:58.420 She did the very annoying ad for Kamala where she suggested Trump voters like the women would undermine their husbands who always have strict control over them by secretly voting for Kamala.

00:35:08.760 They didn't have to tell.

00:35:10.040 She's annoying.

00:35:10.700 Let's be honest.

00:35:11.500 But I'm just talking about as a human, as a woman, as a professional, a successful person in America, which we have to be happy for.

00:35:20.320 You know, she's one of the biggest stars in the world.

00:35:22.080 She's ours.

00:35:23.440 She's made very good calls.

00:35:25.600 And it's because she has some class and she clearly has some self-esteem.

00:35:29.180 Gwyneth Paltrow, different story.

00:35:32.140 I mean, truly, who would debase themselves this way?

00:35:35.100 It's never enough for these Hollywood actresses, right?

00:35:37.280 Like, you can become whoopee and you still hate America.

00:35:39.340 It's still racism, notwithstanding the EGOT and the millions and so on.

00:35:42.480 You can become Gwyneth and you can look great and be this alleged wellness guru and still a movie star and having married Chris Martin, now this other guy, whatever, consciously uncoupled from the first husband.

00:35:55.000 Still, you need to be praised.

00:35:58.160 You need to be admired.

00:35:59.080 You need people to look at you naked.

00:36:00.620 You need to do naked shower scenes with somebody who is literally 25 years younger than you or almost because you need people to look at you and think of you as, like, a sexy, hot vixen.

00:36:10.600 As opposed to just, like, an entrepreneur and a mom and someone who looks great, like, period, as opposed to being – in the news today is Margot Robbie, who's – I mean, she truly might be the most beautiful person on earth right now.

00:36:26.300 She's one of them for sure.

00:36:27.640 Top ten, you'd have to say.

00:36:28.960 I think she's – like, whatever Sophia Loren was when she was in her heyday or Brigitte Bardot, that's Margot Robbie.

00:36:36.220 She's universally understood to be stunningly gorgeous.

00:36:40.940 And I saw Margot Robbie in person two years ago.

00:36:45.060 I was at this media event out in Utah.

00:36:50.940 It was very interesting.

00:36:52.720 And here we are, the two of us together.

00:36:54.240 She looks amazing.

00:36:56.080 This is her, like, relatively unmade up.

00:36:59.320 Both of us had a little makeup on, but not a lot.

00:37:01.320 We were at this event, and we looked like two normal humans there, right, two normal women next to each other.

00:37:06.880 It was an honor to meet her.

00:37:08.460 She just showed up at a fashion show, and she looks absolutely skeletal.

00:37:15.980 Hold on.

00:37:16.260 I'm trying to get my note in exactly where she is.

00:37:17.900 I found it.

00:37:19.180 She is Paris Fashion Week at the Chanel show.

00:37:24.740 Look at her.

00:37:26.600 This is actually sad to me.

00:37:28.200 She has lost the slight, ever-so-slight fullness that was in her face before.

00:37:34.540 Now she's got the sunken, sunken cheek.

00:37:37.340 And I don't know if that is, they say all these Hollywoods are getting that buccal fat removal from their faces, which obviously she did not need.

00:37:44.300 Or the speculation online is that this is Ozempic, that she decided this is her on the right looking normal and stunning, and this is her on the left looking skeletal at the Chanel show.

00:37:58.620 Many questioning now whether she's taking the weight loss drugs.

00:38:02.140 I don't know what the answer is.

00:38:04.020 It's never enough.

00:38:06.340 That's the bottom line.

00:38:07.340 It's never enough for these Hollywood celebrities.

00:38:10.680 Margot Robbie's not ripping on the United States, at least that I know of, so that's to her credit.

00:38:14.980 But this is one of the dangers in letting your child get sucked into the Hollywood madness.

00:38:20.020 We talked about Britney Spears and her DUI last week.

00:38:24.360 That's what happens when you make them childhood stars.

00:38:26.360 Look at, I mean, the Kardashian-Jenner's are, they're not getting DUIs every day, but they are absolutely obsessed with themselves, with their appearance, which they think is everything.

00:38:38.760 This whole industry, you know, this on-camera Hollywood star-led and slash influencer industry is extremely pernicious and has its values ass backwards.

00:38:51.680 I'm sorry for them.

00:38:52.840 I'm glad they've made a lot of money.

00:38:54.420 I'm glad they feel like they're somewhat important, but I really think they needed more time with, like, solid parents who helped them learn how to fill themselves up from the inside, as opposed to looking to these false gods of money or bashing America, in Whoopi's case.

00:39:11.380 Honestly, that's a false god.

00:39:12.420 It's a false religion that the woke do, as you know.

00:39:14.540 Or, you know, extreme anorexia, which appears to be the case for Demi Moore and others in Hollywood, as some sort of filler, you know, as something that's going to make them feel better about themselves.

00:39:28.440 It never does.

00:39:30.240 All right, I want to keep going.

00:39:31.680 We're going to have on the turning point, guys, in a minute, but there's a couple things that I want to get to first.

00:39:38.360 And that includes the war that is unfolding between Ben Shapiro and Piers Morgan.

00:39:45.160 Just by way of background, as you guys know, I was very good friends with Ben, and then he attacked me, to my surprise, utter shock, at the turning point event in December.

00:39:54.820 He thought that I should be lumped in as, like, one of the problems when it comes to, I guess, anti-Semitism, even though I have spent the past two and a half years fighting anti-Semitism very, very vocally on this show, and will continue to.

00:40:10.440 What we saw on college campuses post-10-7 was absolutely abhorrent.

00:40:14.460 I want Mahmoud Khalil gone.

00:40:16.300 You know, I haven't backed off of any of those views.

00:40:18.420 Now I'm on his list of, like, cowardly people or anti-Semites, whatever.

00:40:23.300 I can't keep up with it, and nor do I have any desire to.

00:40:26.100 But the latest to be attacked by Ben Shapiro is Piers Morgan.

00:40:30.100 And what was his sin?

00:40:31.620 His sin was platforming, in quotes, Dave Smith, who is definitely a critic of Israel, who Charlie Kirk platformed as well at turning point.

00:40:42.360 And that's why Charlie was called an anti-Semite.

00:40:44.680 Remember when Charlie and I had our long discussion about both of us who had been called anti-Semites because we went to the turning point event last July?

00:40:52.940 And in one very quick exchange, we talked about Jeffrey Epstein's possible ties to intelligence and said maybe it was Israel.

00:41:00.040 Like, literally, that's all we discussed about Israel.

00:41:02.980 We were both called anti-Semites by this leading Jewish organization.

00:41:05.920 It wasn't some random internet commentator.

00:41:07.780 And one of the reasons Charlie also got it after that was he platformed Dave Smith across from Josh Hammer, who's as pro-Israel as they come.

00:41:18.420 But, you see, you can't have that.

00:41:19.580 You can't have a debate.

00:41:20.600 So Piers did with Dave Smith what he always does with everybody, which is he had a big panel with, like, six people, the pro-Israel side there, the anti-side there as well.

00:41:29.920 And that was not okay with King Ben, who decided to go for him in Sot One.

00:41:36.500 So, last night on Piers Morgan, which is the Jerry Springer of political television, where people gather to throw chairs at one another and determine paternity.

00:41:46.400 Piers Morgan, who has sort of made a mockery of the entire industry by putting on screen whatever dregs are still willing to go on screen with Piers Morgan.

00:41:55.280 He had on Dave Smith, who has, you know, apparently his job is never to tell jokes, but to instead give poorly informed foreign policy tags.

00:42:04.660 And also to hate America.

00:42:05.880 Here we go.

00:42:07.180 So then he played the clip of Dave.

00:42:08.940 So, he decided that Piers Morgan had to be reduced to a Jerry Springer-esque character, that he's a joke.

00:42:14.760 And then it came out that Ben has been refusing to go on Piers' show.

00:42:20.260 And he then, Ben did, used a clip from Piers' show saying the reason I don't go on his show is because he platforms Nazis.

00:42:29.940 And here's the clip.

00:42:31.240 I just stopped appearing on his show.

00:42:32.920 Why?

00:42:33.240 Well, honestly, he kept bringing on actual Nazis and the Nazi adjacent and then treated them all too often as voices worthy of a large audience.

00:42:41.620 Like, for example, these people.

00:42:43.500 I believe that Jewish supremacy is the greatest threat to America.

00:42:48.060 And I think it's the greatest threat to the world today.

00:42:50.060 I truly believe that.

00:42:51.000 You think Hitler was very f***ing cool?

00:42:55.080 Yes, I do.

00:42:57.460 And I'm tired of pretending he's not.

00:42:59.620 It's going to be the headlines tomorrow.

00:43:01.080 Piers Morgan, Israel is ISIS.

00:43:03.020 Only amongst people who weren't listening.

00:43:04.800 That's how I feel about those young men in Gaza.

00:43:08.760 You ask me why I won't condemn them.

00:43:12.140 Because those young men were born into a concentration camp.

00:43:19.160 Israel has been a terrorist state.

00:43:21.640 OK, Israel right now is imparting a genocide and a holocaust on the Gazan people.

00:43:26.920 Listen, it's Piers' choice who he decides to have on his show and how he decides to conduct the kind of clown car battle royale that he does on a show every night.

00:43:37.480 And it's my choice not to join that circus.

00:43:39.620 We all make our choices and we all live with them.

00:43:41.600 But some of us make our choices based on, you know, actual principles and not the clay.

00:43:46.300 OK, so Piers has to be condemned as a Jerry Springer joke, and he's not allowed to have Dave Smith on, even if Dave Smith comes on with a bunch of pro-Israel people because Ben objects.

00:43:57.680 And then Ben pulls a bunch of clips of contentious, which was not revealed by Ben, interviews that Piers has done with various people on his show.

00:44:08.200 Well, Piers did not take kindly to any of this.

00:44:10.320 And he decided to play the other side of those interviews because Piers does push back on his guests.

00:44:19.180 If he's going to have a Nick Fuentes on, he's going to give him a hard time.

00:44:22.540 By the way, that's how it would go on this show, too.

00:44:24.940 But I've chosen not to platform him because I have absolutely no desire to talk to him or to advance his message with my audience.

00:44:31.660 That's fine, though.

00:44:32.380 Piers went a different way, and I have no problem with that.

00:44:34.440 I have no problem with having whatever.

00:44:36.880 People do their shows the way they want to do them.

00:44:38.920 And Ben was right that he doesn't have to go on Piers if he doesn't.

00:44:43.080 But there was absolutely no point in attacking him, making an issue of Piers Morgan, and he's been attacking him ever since, just because he platformed, quote unquote, one guy you don't like in the midst of many others who are espousing your view.

00:44:55.860 I guess they have to have a monopoly on Piers' show, which you don't control, and I guess you're very upset about it.

00:45:01.340 Here's Piers showing the other side of those interviews.

00:45:03.340 And it's outrageously disingenuous that the clips he showed did not include the parts of those interviews where I called out every single one of them about things I didn't agree with.

00:45:14.300 His montage of the same interviews could have looked like this.

00:45:18.080 You sound like a Nazi.

00:45:19.300 I mean, why do you say that?

00:45:25.340 That's literally what Nazis would have said in World War II.

00:45:28.200 You think if half your family had been wiped out by very fucking cool Hitler, you'd still think he was very fucking cool?

00:45:34.960 Or would you think that actually he was a despicable monster who murdered 12 million people?

00:45:40.060 The comparison, which is more apposite, is ISIS and Hamas.

00:45:44.280 They are both nihilistic terror groups intent on killing as many Jewish people and others as they can possibly kill.

00:45:50.660 That's not true.

00:45:51.520 As the numbers...

00:45:52.880 OK.

00:45:53.340 It's just not true.

00:45:54.260 Piers...

00:45:54.860 Well, Professor, with respect...

00:45:55.960 OK, I'm not going to...

00:45:56.660 It's not true.

00:45:57.700 Piers, Piers, Piers.

00:45:59.060 Yeah, but you have to listen to what I say.

00:46:01.260 You want me to believe you when you say you weren't aware of the scale of this for several days.

00:46:06.960 And I find that just... I'm incredulous. You want me to believe that?

00:46:11.100 This country, which was formed in 1948 by pretending to be refugees, if you will, and being invited into the homes of Palestinians, the horrific story of what happened...

00:46:21.300 Well, they weren't pretending to be refugees. They were people fleeing a holocaust.

00:46:25.880 You can take the view, as many do, that interviewing people with extreme opinions is pointless.

00:46:30.360 You can stick your head in the sand like an ostrich or hide behind your very big desk and wish they didn't have an audience.

00:46:36.200 But they do.

00:46:38.040 Totally disingenuous clip by Ben Shapiro.

00:46:41.700 He takes the controversial piece that these people have said, some of these people, and airs it as though this is Piers' sin.

00:46:48.380 That he's allowed these people to come on and just have his platform and spew racist talking points like, you know, Hitler's very fucking cool in the case of Nick Fuentes.

00:46:56.060 Without showing what Piers always does.

00:46:59.000 That's his bread and butter.

00:47:00.460 He loves having these mix-ups.

00:47:02.120 Even when I go on there, we had a very contentious mix-up over Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl that has over 40 million views right now.

00:47:10.800 People enjoy watching these spars.

00:47:13.480 Some people, the sparring.

00:47:15.500 So to suggest that Piers would just allow somebody like Nick Fuentes to come on and not challenge him, it's just like so disingenuous.

00:47:21.860 And Piers responded to the overall criticism as follows.

00:47:25.620 Stop four.

00:47:26.000 If you disagree with him, you're a Nazi, he says, channeling Kamala Harris.

00:47:32.320 Everybody knows my position on Israel.

00:47:34.780 I vehemently defended Israel's right to respond and defend itself after October the 7th.

00:47:39.620 I became increasingly critical of Israel because its government's actions in Gaza became impossible to defend.

00:47:45.820 If Ben listened to some of the arguments, instead of just throwing tantrums about them, he might understand why.

00:47:51.360 Just as I continue to host people who defend Israel's conduct in Gaza, where many people wish I wouldn't and say I shouldn't, Ben Shapiro does.

00:48:00.100 He, of course, has my phone number and my email address.

00:48:03.600 He could have discussed his differences with me in private, which I would have preferred.

00:48:07.480 But he hasn't bothered to even politely reply to my occasional messages for a very long time now.

00:48:12.960 Oddly, since the very moment I started criticising the Israeli government.

00:48:17.140 And he chooses to get on his own podcast and throw pathetic potshots at me instead.

00:48:22.300 So let me use my platform to respond directly.

00:48:25.420 The difference between me and you, Ben, is that I'm heavily criticised by both sides because I listen to both sides.

00:48:31.320 And very often I criticise both sides too, without fear or favour.

00:48:35.860 You're only criticised by one side because you choose to air only one side and you choose to ignore or even silence the other.

00:48:43.240 I'm a journalist, you are a propagandist.

00:48:48.200 I'm sorry to say he's 100% right.

00:48:51.920 It's very sad to me as somebody who's known Ben forever and helped make Ben.

00:48:59.060 100% he became a star on my show, The Kelly File.

00:49:03.000 Well, I'm very sorry to see this happen.

00:49:06.960 And like there is absolutely no cause to go run around policing the guests on somebody else's show and trying to diminish somebody who is as interesting, but, and I mean this complimentary, benign as Piers Morgan.

00:49:22.840 Piers is not a pernicious force.

00:49:24.760 Piers is an interesting guy who's got an interesting show.

00:49:27.060 Maybe it's for you, maybe it's not.

00:49:27.980 It's up to you.

00:49:28.560 I think he's really interesting and I think his interviews are great.

00:49:30.520 But now we have to get rid of Piers Morgan.

00:49:34.400 So obviously in Ben's view, Tucker had to go.

00:49:37.420 Clearly, even though he helped build Candace, she had to go.

00:49:41.540 Then I had to go, even though I've had a 15-year friendship with a guy, publicly attacked me.

00:49:46.600 Same thing, not even a text in advance.

00:49:48.780 Even though we had had a text like literally four months or four weeks earlier saying no matter what, who we're friends with, because he was mad I was friends with Tucker,

00:49:56.280 our friendship means more to us than anything, and we won't do anything to F it up.

00:50:01.580 Next thing I know, I get attacked by him on stage at Turning Point.

00:50:04.560 Now Piers Morgan, like how many people have to go?

00:50:06.940 Truly, how many people must be culled from the conservative movement in order to make Ben happy?

00:50:12.980 This is ridiculous.

00:50:14.940 And it's not just Ben, all right?

00:50:16.960 There are others who take his lead once he calls you an anti-Semite or says you need to be kicked out of, you know, polite society.

00:50:22.880 There are a couple of others, not a huge amount, I have to say.

00:50:25.740 Ben's numbers are very bad right now.

00:50:27.580 But he's got some influence with some crew.

00:50:30.520 This is so wrong.

00:50:31.780 So good for Piers Morgan for fighting back.

00:50:34.360 I'm completely on team Piers.

00:50:36.780 And I'm sorry to see Ben going in this direction.

00:50:40.860 Okay.

00:50:41.520 We're going to take a quick break, and we will be right back with our friends from Turning Point.

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00:51:46.120 Let's get into the latest on Iran and CNN spinning the terror attack in New York City as an attack on Zoran Mamdani.

00:52:01.940 What?

00:52:02.920 What?

00:52:03.640 With our next guests, Andrew Colvette is the spokesman for Turning Point USA and the executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show.

00:52:09.980 And Blake Neff, who is a producer on The Charlie Kirk Show as well.

00:52:13.880 And now these guys have been doing yeoman's work, keeping that show going, and working very hard to keep Turning Point going.

00:52:20.080 Together they have worked with Charlie for many, many years.

00:52:23.440 They knew him very, very well, and they have kept the organization thriving in these six months since Charlie has been gone.

00:52:30.340 Guys, welcome back.

00:52:31.060 Great to see you.

00:52:32.960 Hey, Megan.

00:52:33.820 Great to be here.

00:52:34.900 Howdy.

00:52:35.400 Thank you for having us on.

00:52:36.820 Oh, great to see you both.

00:52:37.680 All right, so there's a lot to get to, and we've got to start with CNN.

00:52:40.840 I don't know if you guys have seen this craziness, but Abby Phillip, she's supposed to be like their reasonable one.

00:52:45.880 You know, she's supposed to be like their sort of boring, milquetoast.

00:52:49.000 I call her Napoleon Dynamite because it's just the way she talks, like, it's not going to happen like that.

00:52:55.400 That is not what Democrats do.

00:52:57.640 There's like absolutely no affect, but she's saying crazy things.

00:53:00.240 Last night tried to spin the two radical Muslim men who attacked cops and protesters who were out there protesting against having the Muslim call to prayer run five times a day over loudspeakers in New York City.

00:53:17.520 They were attacked by two radical Muslims who threw an IED, two of them, at them and at cops as an attack on the Muslim mayor of New York, Zoran Mamdani.

00:53:28.660 And she did it repeatedly.

00:53:30.240 Here's a sample.

00:53:31.620 Two Republicans say Muslims don't belong here.

00:53:34.360 After an attempted terror attack against New York's mayor, Zoran Mamdani, and the House Speaker, Mike Johnson, says nothing really to condemn those comments.

00:53:43.740 Okay, it happened repeatedly on CNN.

00:53:46.900 It was in several scripts.

00:53:48.560 She read them with no problem.

00:53:49.900 And let me tell you that as the anchor, having anchored a show on Fox News for many, many years, you see all the scripts.

00:53:55.860 They don't come at you as a surprise.

00:53:57.400 It's not every time.

00:53:59.060 Sometimes you're overwhelmed and you don't get to edit every script and you get caught by surprise.

00:54:02.900 But not when you tease it three times that way.

00:54:05.240 That's an intentional decision by you and your team to style something as something other than what it is.

00:54:11.580 So, Andrew, your thoughts on what the fallout of this is and why CNN is doing that.

00:54:17.860 I mean, that's a blatant lie.

00:54:20.680 Yeah, I think, you know, it kind of goes back to that old expression, Megan, that, you know, the lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants.

00:54:27.360 And when we saw this over the weekend, there was a bunch of press headlines that were saying outside of Mom Donnie's, you know, Gracie Mansion.

00:54:37.920 So, I think she probably just thinks that that's true, actually.

00:54:41.640 I think this is ignorance because if you listen to her show, all she knows how to do is parrot left-wing talking points.

00:54:47.920 I mean, it's very, very clear.

00:54:49.060 I actually happened to watch this episode last night by chance because the remote got pushed up to the wrong channel.

00:54:54.880 So, I was like, you know what?

00:54:55.500 I'm going to watch this.

00:54:56.620 And it really is just ignorant line after ignorant line because you saw the first round of headlines said that.

00:55:04.260 So, that's what she believes.

00:55:05.400 And you saw this with Jimmy Kimmel back when Charlie was assassinated.

00:55:08.920 I mean, I think he was actually lying.

00:55:10.500 I think it was a little step beyond that.

00:55:12.140 But he thought he could get away with it because so many people were reporting that the assassin was from MAGA.

00:55:17.640 And she's relying on an ignorant audience as well.

00:55:22.380 So, she thinks she's going to get away with it.

00:55:24.320 It's a very good point.

00:55:25.460 You know, Blake, it wasn't just Abby Phillip.

00:55:27.920 Like, to Andrew's point that this is like ignorance by a leftist who surrounds herself with only leftist news.

00:55:34.720 We saw CBS yesterday with a headline.

00:55:38.360 I'm going to put it on the board here.

00:55:39.480 Hold on a second.

00:55:39.980 I'm going to get it up in front of me, too.

00:55:42.140 This is the weekend news show, picturing Trump supporters, a Trump supporter in its story.

00:55:48.760 This is SOT 21.

00:55:49.540 We'll play it about this same terror attack.

00:55:51.660 Here's SOT 21.

00:55:53.120 The FBI is investigating two men after an explosive device with bolts and screws was thrown into a crowd.

00:55:59.780 It happened in New York City on Saturday during a protest that turned violent outside the mayor's official residence.

00:56:06.380 Okay, so I'm just going to replay that.

00:56:07.760 And I want the listening audience to know every word she speaks is next to the picture of a Trump supporter wearing a Trump T-shirt until she says it happened.

00:56:16.840 When she says it happened, we switched to the video of the Muslim guy with his IED running away after having dropped it.

00:56:22.700 So listen to this again, knowing that every word she speaks is with a picture of a Trump supporter, a MAGA guy, prior to the words it happened.

00:56:29.220 The FBI is investigating two men after an explosive device with bolts and screws was thrown into a crowd.

00:56:36.540 It happened in New York City on Saturday during a protest that turned violent outside the mayor's official residence.

00:56:43.640 It's unbelievable, Blake, but and yet it's totally believable.

00:56:46.460 Well, of course, it's believable if you I was actually reminded, I think a decade ago and 30 years ago, the New York Times has a repeated habit of blaming the city of Dallas, for example, for JFK's assassination.

00:57:02.740 JFK was, of course, murdered by Oswald, who was a communist who defected to the Soviet Union.

00:57:07.420 And the left ran articles calling Dallas the city of hate.

00:57:12.280 And that was that was what consumed JFK, this this right wing city that he was in.

00:57:17.860 And it was that was decades ago.

00:57:22.040 We see the exact same thing now.

00:57:23.920 The left in general is more likely to have a terrorism problem.

00:57:27.600 The left in general is a lot more likely to have its young activist wing go unhinged, kill somebody.

00:57:34.780 We, of course, saw that with Charlie himself and rat because they're able to control the media apparatus.

00:57:42.220 They're pretty consistent about attempting to reverse it and say, actually, it's it's you guys who are driving the violence in society.

00:57:50.380 I mean, we saw them do that with the FBI.

00:57:52.520 One reason we're having more of these foreign elements come into the United States and launch terror attacks is that the Biden administration repurposed DHS repurposed the FBI to say that white American men who go to Latin mass or whatever are the chief terror threat in the United States.

00:58:12.020 And the reality is that's just a distortion of numbers.

00:58:15.900 It's a distortion of what they choose to count as terrorism.

00:58:18.600 And it's it's fundamentally a lie.

00:58:22.420 OK, so on the Abby Philip front, she said this at least twice on the air.

00:58:28.020 OK, so this wasn't like some past.

00:58:29.440 She made an error.

00:58:30.220 She meant to say it was an attack on cops outside of Mom Domi's residence like that.

00:58:34.640 OK, that would have been accurate.

00:58:37.060 No, that's not what she said.

00:58:38.320 So it happened at least twice, which means it was written into the script.

00:58:42.380 It was preplanned.

00:58:43.560 She approved it and she read it and she read it twice.

00:58:46.540 If this were innocent after the first time, you would have seen her come back on the air and say, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:58:51.840 Want to correct something I said?

00:58:53.320 You know, it happens, right?

00:58:54.320 We've all been there.

00:58:55.040 You say something live that isn't what you meant to say.

00:58:57.420 She came back on and said it again.

00:58:59.040 And here, Andrew, now just literally half an hour ago, not even 20 minutes ago, she tweeted, I want to correct something I said last night.

00:59:09.460 The bombs thrown in New York City over the weekend by ISIS inspired attackers was thrown, no subject verb agreement, into a crowd of anti-Muslim protesters and not specifically targeted at Mayor Mom Domi.

00:59:23.880 That wording was inaccurate and I didn't catch it ahead of time.

00:59:27.740 I apologize for the error.

00:59:30.240 This is not good enough.

00:59:32.640 And there's just no, I'm sorry.

00:59:34.020 I have sat on the set.

00:59:35.080 You see the scripts.

00:59:36.460 You follow through on your laptop.

00:59:37.960 You see what's coming up.

00:59:38.700 You read them.

00:59:39.300 She read it in the prompter not once but twice.

00:59:41.520 After it came out of her mouth, she did not apologize.

00:59:43.560 She did not correct herself.

00:59:45.680 And this is, and then I'll show you an exchange that happened on her show that kind of puts the lie to it as well.

00:59:50.640 But she had no problem with this, Andrew.

00:59:52.460 She clearly just got woodshedded by somebody at CNN with a brain.

00:59:55.220 Well, no, this is my whole point.

00:59:58.320 Like, I think you're giving Abbey Phillips far too much credit for being an intellectual or a journalist.

01:00:03.560 And I'm telling you, you still see this with Charlie's assassination.

01:00:07.260 I didn't make my point well enough in my first answer.

01:00:09.860 If you ask people who killed Charlie, a bunch of people, like, on the show, just normal Americans, think that it was a conservative.

01:00:17.980 This is because the lie, once you speak it out, it sets the narrative.

01:00:23.600 And a lot of people don't do the work to go check it and check their work.

01:00:27.420 And I'm telling you, I've heard stories about the producers on this show from friends that have been on it.

01:00:32.160 They are, once again, do not give them more credit than they deserve.

01:00:35.180 We're talking about a show that relies on the guests and the back and forth in the debate.

01:00:40.920 We're not working with geniuses here.

01:00:43.640 Okay, so I'm telling you, I think she just literally didn't know it because the media lied so thoroughly about it on round one.

01:00:50.480 Here, here's what's extraordinary, though.

01:00:54.060 There was an exchange on the show, Blake, with Republican Joe Borelli, who fought with, I think it was Anna Navarro, over this exact claim.

01:01:04.860 All right?

01:01:05.300 And still, Abby Phillip did not correct it.

01:01:08.040 But listen to this here in SOT 20.

01:01:09.760 This is on Tuesday, and this is last night.

01:01:11.940 The attack wasn't on Mayor Momdani.

01:01:14.020 It was on people protesting.

01:01:15.080 It was attacking protesters, people protesting Momdani.

01:01:18.340 Right by his house.

01:01:18.780 It wasn't, to frame it as an anti-Muslim attack would actually completely reverse what happened.

01:01:24.560 Someone who shouted Allah Akbar to a bomb that didn't go off at the protesters.

01:01:28.860 That Republicans are finally doing something in defense of a Muslim, in this case, Momdani.

01:01:34.680 This is ridiculous.

01:01:35.540 Forget Anna Navarro's inane point.

01:01:37.340 The point is, Abby Phillip heard somebody on her set say,

01:01:40.980 it was not an attack on Momdani, you idiot.

01:01:44.160 And he started fighting with Anna Navarro about it.

01:01:46.980 And still, Abby Phillip did not correct it.

01:01:50.020 She had to be woodshedded by some boss who was like,

01:01:52.800 oh, shit, we cannot get away with suggesting this was a terrorist attack on a Muslim.

01:01:57.880 It was a terrorist attack by a Muslim.

01:02:00.500 Yeah, and we shouldn't forget also that they should have known this would be a problem

01:02:05.940 because CNN already had to apologize for how they were describing it on X over the weekend.

01:02:13.720 It's a network that has repeatedly had a problem with how it's framed things.

01:02:21.580 It's very bizarre to me.

01:02:22.940 The CNN was, I feel like growing up, CNN's reputation was the sort of in the middle news outlet

01:02:29.920 compared to Fox on one end or MSNBC as it was shifting to the left.

01:02:34.560 But they positively did lose their minds during the first Trump presidency,

01:02:40.360 and they've never really found their footing again since then.

01:02:43.720 I believe they're the network of fiery but mostly peaceful protests.

01:02:47.240 And it's just recurred again and again.

01:02:49.920 And we're kind of seeing why they're already writing the obituary for it

01:02:53.960 with the possibility that they're going to get bought out here

01:02:56.520 and possibly have Barry Weiss put in charge of it

01:02:59.160 because I think there's just not a lot of value to whatever CNN used to be.

01:03:04.620 It's incompetent people.

01:03:06.500 It's inaccurate people.

01:03:07.760 It's extremely biased people.

01:03:10.020 And even the left doesn't really like CNN for various reasons over the years.

01:03:15.060 So it's like, who does this network even exist for at this point?

01:03:18.360 As I've said about CNN for a long time, boring is one thing.

01:03:22.040 It's always been boring.

01:03:23.100 But boring and biased, it's too much.

01:03:25.300 Like, that's a death knell to your organization, which is what's been happening there.

01:03:28.780 They have no ratings.

01:03:29.880 There was a post over the weekend.

01:03:31.900 It was up, I think, on Monday, and then they eventually took it down, about the terrorist attack.

01:03:38.380 And this is how they began both their article and their tweet promoting their article.

01:03:44.000 This is about the two guys who came from Pennsylvania and bombed this rally with their IEDs.

01:03:49.120 Two Pennsylvania teenagers crossed into New York City Saturday morning

01:03:53.760 for what could have been a normal day enjoying the city during abnormally warm weather.

01:03:58.680 But in less than an hour, their lives would drastically change

01:04:02.120 as the pair would be arrested for throwing homemade bombs

01:04:05.500 during an anti-Muslim protest outside of Mayor Zoram Amdami's home.

01:04:09.540 Here's what we know so far.

01:04:11.000 That, I mean, let's take a lovely journey together, Andrew,

01:04:15.420 into the streets of an unusually warm New York City

01:04:18.940 and check in on our two resident tourists

01:04:22.200 checking out the city of dreams from the great commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

01:04:26.820 Oh, they have a bomb.

01:04:29.460 Even CNN had to take that down later saying

01:04:32.080 that didn't conform with our editorial statements.

01:04:35.280 Yeah.

01:04:36.500 I mean, this was so offensive and they got rightly dragged for it.

01:04:39.320 I mean, I think it's because it fits into a larger ideological framing

01:04:44.060 of how they see the world, right?

01:04:45.640 That if your skin is brown, you must be systemically oppressed

01:04:48.880 and that everything that happens to you is a result of the oppression

01:04:52.600 that you have forced to live under your white oppressors.

01:04:55.860 And so, therefore, the description made perfect sense to whoever drafted it.

01:04:59.240 And they got rightly dragged because these two, you know, kids,

01:05:03.000 they're young men, were radicalized by ISIS.

01:05:06.660 They're proud of it.

01:05:07.840 They don't see themselves as victims.

01:05:09.540 They see themselves with proper agency to go set right the wrongs

01:05:13.840 that they see in the world.

01:05:14.900 They are terrorists.

01:05:16.500 And any sort of couching it in softer terms

01:05:19.500 is such an indication of the brain rot

01:05:22.920 and the lies that exist on the progressive media landscape.

01:05:26.580 There's, I mean, we see this, to Blake's point,

01:05:29.340 again and again and again.

01:05:30.800 And this is why the mainstream legacy news media

01:05:33.220 has completely clowned itself and nobody trusts it anymore

01:05:35.660 because they're run by crazy people.

01:05:37.900 They're run by people that live in a bubble of virtue signaling,

01:05:41.960 of contempt for the American people, of self-righteousness, of scolds.

01:05:46.400 Like, I just think, when I think of CNN,

01:05:48.080 I do think of, like, Aaron Burnett and Jake Tapper and Abby Phillips,

01:05:51.880 this constant look of, like, scolding you,

01:05:54.100 scolding you for thinking normal thoughts,

01:05:56.020 scolding you for, you know, believing your lying eyes,

01:05:58.460 scolding you for having values that don't align with the Acela Corridor.

01:06:02.760 And so that's Blake's point, why they are so unwatchable.

01:06:06.260 Nobody can watch them because it's like a cringe fest.

01:06:09.460 Literally, I saw it last night for the first time in years.

01:06:11.960 I actually watched it.

01:06:12.820 The only reason I watch that show is to see Scott Jennings

01:06:16.400 rip apart the libs from time to time.

01:06:19.020 And that's literally the utility of that show.

01:06:22.080 Otherwise, it's completely unwatchable.

01:06:23.300 And you can get that on X.

01:06:24.320 You don't actually have to tune in to Abby Phillips.

01:06:25.860 I don't need to tune in.

01:06:27.180 I mean, truly.

01:06:27.920 Her ratings are bottom of the barrel.

01:06:29.940 They're terrible.

01:06:30.680 As are all of CNN.

01:06:31.980 It's not just Abby Phillips.

01:06:32.920 They're all in the bottom of the barrel.

01:06:34.460 There's no way that plays.

01:06:35.880 I know they've just been bought by, you know, Sky Dan's Paramount.

01:06:40.340 Still, it's not going to work.

01:06:42.720 It's not turnaroundable, right?

01:06:44.380 Like, I'm of cable news.

01:06:46.840 Trust me.

01:06:47.900 If you put me in charge of that, I couldn't save it.

01:06:50.040 No one can save it.

01:06:50.700 Barry can't save it.

01:06:52.060 No one can save it.

01:06:53.500 Even Roger Ailes could not save it.

01:06:55.460 It's not salvageable.

01:06:57.100 You'd have to fire literally everyone, up and down.

01:07:00.260 And not just the on-air talent.

01:07:01.440 All the producers do.

01:07:03.120 They're not going to do that.

01:07:04.420 That's exactly right.

01:07:05.240 They cannot take these same old horses and ask them to do new tricks.

01:07:08.680 It's not going to happen.

01:07:09.780 So they're severely afflicted by the TDS.

01:07:13.640 And as you guys know, it's not a curable illness.

01:07:17.040 You know, once you got the TDS, it's like the ALS.

01:07:20.080 It's the end of you.

01:07:20.980 Sorry.

01:07:21.380 That's a terrible illness.

01:07:22.920 But you know my point.

01:07:23.800 It's the end.

01:07:24.860 You can't get past it.

01:07:26.320 Here is, by the way, for the listening audience, the truth about those guys.

01:07:29.460 This is our police commissioner in New York City, Jessica Tish.

01:07:33.220 Tish, watch here.

01:07:33.900 And Sata, is it 19?

01:07:35.960 Hold on.

01:07:36.240 I'm trying to look.

01:07:36.760 Oh, 18.

01:07:38.340 Kayumi said in recorded post-arrest statements that he had watched ISIS propaganda on his phone

01:07:44.880 and that his actions that day were partly inspired by ISIS.

01:07:49.300 The complaint also details statements made by Amir Balat after his arrests.

01:07:55.700 En route to the NYPD precinct, Balat made spontaneous statements without being questioned

01:08:00.860 by NYPD officers that were captured on body-worn camera footage.

01:08:05.500 He said,

01:08:06.000 This isn't a religion that just stands when people talk about the blessed name of the

01:08:10.680 prophet.

01:08:11.520 We take action.

01:08:12.640 We take action.

01:08:14.000 As well as,

01:08:15.320 If I didn't do it,

01:08:16.820 someone else will come and do it.

01:08:20.340 And later,

01:08:21.400 after waiving his rights,

01:08:22.840 he requested paper and wrote a message declaring in part,

01:08:27.000 I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic State.

01:08:29.760 Die in your rage,

01:08:31.300 you kufar.

01:08:31.860 Now die in your rage is a commonly known ISIS slogan.

01:08:36.500 And kufar is an Arabic term that refers to non-believers.

01:08:42.520 So it's not exactly ambiguous.

01:08:48.040 These guys have not stopped talking about their love for ISIS since they dropped these

01:08:53.460 IEDs.

01:08:54.200 I mean,

01:08:54.420 like on your point,

01:08:55.600 Andrew,

01:08:55.780 I'm not exactly sure how even Abby Phillip could have missed it because you like,

01:09:00.500 you don't have to get your information from Fox News or the Charlie Kirk show or the

01:09:03.740 Megyn Kelly show.

01:09:04.700 Just listen to the police commissioner and she'll walk you right through it.

01:09:09.440 But no,

01:09:10.500 the narrative that they pushed is much more palatable to them.

01:09:13.140 That's the one they're used to.

01:09:14.460 So that's the one they went with.

01:09:16.160 Real,

01:09:16.660 real reporting,

01:09:17.580 CNN,

01:09:18.080 everybody.

01:09:19.000 Now,

01:09:19.100 on the subject of coming under fire for platforming somebody,

01:09:24.620 because we just talked about how Piers Morgan got attacked for platforming Dave Smith.

01:09:30.100 You guys are experiencing that.

01:09:31.860 And this whole Iran war fallout is a tricky business.

01:09:35.380 You know,

01:09:35.520 it's a tricky business for those of us who have more conservative audiences or more right-leaning

01:09:40.340 independent audiences who are supportive of the president and may even be supportive of the war,

01:09:46.700 but may have some questions about whether this is smart and how long it should go on.

01:09:51.580 That's the position I'm in at least.

01:09:53.040 And I think you guys are experiencing some of this because I saw that you quote,

01:09:56.460 platformed Robert Barnes,

01:09:58.740 who is brilliant.

01:09:59.960 He's been on the show many times to talk about things like the Kyle Rittenhouse case and others.

01:10:03.400 And you got some blowback on this.

01:10:07.340 Hold on a second.

01:10:07.940 I think we've got him on your show in SOT 26.

01:10:13.680 Exactly to your point.

01:10:14.780 I mean,

01:10:14.940 you guys would be on top of it more than others.

01:10:16.780 I remember watching that,

01:10:18.440 the live,

01:10:19.300 that the young generation,

01:10:20.880 the new MAGA part of the coalition,

01:10:22.560 a lot of them were African-American male voters,

01:10:24.860 Hispanic voters,

01:10:25.740 and young people,

01:10:26.900 disproportionately millennials and Zoomers,

01:10:28.800 that joined the Trump coalition in 2024,

01:10:31.380 that weren't part of it before,

01:10:32.780 that boosted us from being minus four to plus one in the national vote,

01:10:37.180 that allowed for the sweep of the swing states,

01:10:39.620 that allowed for some coattails in the House and the Senate,

01:10:42.360 to have the House and the Senate.

01:10:43.900 So that's what's at danger of losing.

01:10:45.760 Young voters do not support this conflict.

01:10:47.860 They don't want us involved in foreign conflicts, period.

01:10:50.000 So the sooner the president can bring us home,

01:10:51.800 the better.

01:10:52.940 And then the other vote is the historic anti-war vote,

01:10:55.820 disproportionately in rural and working class areas,

01:10:57.820 in the industrial and rural Midwest,

01:10:59.580 and amongst Hispanic voters in the Southwest,

01:11:01.440 which were bleeding out badly,

01:11:03.100 as we saw from the Texas primary results,

01:11:05.240 and then the libertarian vote.

01:11:07.700 And it's just,

01:11:08.560 you can't cut off this many parts of your coalition and survive.

01:11:13.920 Okay, so that leads to blowback to you guys,

01:11:16.800 unfair blowback in my strong opinion.

01:11:19.120 For example, Andrea Schaefer, who writes on Substack,

01:11:21.620 why is TPUSA amplifying Barnes?

01:11:24.540 Keep it up, TPUSA and Andrew and Blake,

01:11:27.000 and you will lose more donors.

01:11:28.600 Is Erica Kirk aware of the anti-Trump guests

01:11:30.820 you are amplifying on the Charlie Kirk show?

01:11:33.220 She writes,

01:11:33.780 if TPUSA continues to allow the infiltration of bad actors

01:11:37.240 into the organization,

01:11:38.200 I'm afraid it will become one more casualty.

01:11:40.840 Then somebody else responded,

01:11:42.060 you guys have been leaning very strongly toward the Groyper.

01:11:44.620 A lot of people are not happy with the direction

01:11:47.380 TPUSA has taken since we lost Charlie.

01:11:49.320 There's no balance.

01:11:51.120 Seth Dillon of the Babylon Bee weighs in as well,

01:11:54.140 trying to lecture you on the difference

01:11:55.880 between promotion and platforming and so on.

01:11:58.880 In response to which, Blake, you say what?

01:12:02.340 Well, first of all,

01:12:04.000 I think it's important to note,

01:12:05.520 we are obviously linked with Turning Point USA,

01:12:08.160 but we are not actually a part of Turning Point USA.

01:12:11.740 We are a separate entity, an allied entity.

01:12:14.700 Obviously, when Charlie was hosting the show,

01:12:16.760 he was operating both.

01:12:18.160 So I just want to emphasize that.

01:12:20.220 But the other thing is,

01:12:21.420 this show, our show,

01:12:23.240 it's not only Trump supporters allowed.

01:12:27.720 We've had left-wingers on the show before.

01:12:29.860 We're going to have Trump skeptics on the show.

01:12:32.520 And certainly with the war,

01:12:34.060 Charlie, he was very skeptical of any sort of regime change.

01:12:38.740 He was very skeptical of any major war with Iran.

01:12:42.400 He told the president that repeatedly.

01:12:44.560 Andrew and I were both front-row witnesses to that fact.

01:12:48.280 And when we were going up to this war,

01:12:51.060 we said, even if this is launched,

01:12:52.800 we're not sure the administration has done enough of a job selling it.

01:12:56.140 There could be a lot of blowback to this.

01:12:58.040 So as we've said repeatedly,

01:13:00.160 Charlie did trust the president.

01:13:01.900 He gave the president a lot of leash on things that he was skeptical of

01:13:04.940 because he trusted the president's judgment.

01:13:06.660 But we would not be serving the role that Charlie served

01:13:11.040 if we didn't also highlight that there are people on the right,

01:13:15.020 there are people in the president's coalition

01:13:16.920 who are skeptical of this or hostile to this.

01:13:20.060 So since the war has broken out,

01:13:21.940 we've had people on who are very supportive of the intervention

01:13:25.700 and who think it's going well,

01:13:27.120 who think it will end in a big victory.

01:13:28.400 And we've had people who are saying,

01:13:30.640 I need to hear more to be sold on this.

01:13:33.400 Or people just saying,

01:13:34.460 I think this is against what the president ran on.

01:13:37.380 I think it's going to be politically harmful.

01:13:39.600 We've had those people on.

01:13:40.900 We need to hear those voices because that's the reality.

01:13:44.680 We're not spinning up a,

01:13:46.560 we're not a propaganda ally.

01:13:48.000 We're not spinning up a false reality.

01:13:49.560 We're trying to prevent an honest one,

01:13:50.580 which is that there are people who support this

01:13:52.420 and there are people who are critical of it.

01:13:54.520 And I think we've done a reasonably good job, I think,

01:13:57.680 because we've gotten emails that are saying

01:14:00.540 that we're betraying Charlie by being too supportive of the war

01:14:03.780 and people who are saying we're betraying him

01:14:05.680 by being too hostile to it.

01:14:07.560 And the reality is,

01:14:08.640 is Charlie was very skeptical of regime change generally,

01:14:12.200 but also very trusting of the president.

01:14:13.860 And that's a middle path that we're trying hard to navigate

01:14:16.940 because a lot of people do look towards

01:14:19.260 what Charlie said about this sort of topic.

01:14:21.600 They did trust what his judgment was on it.

01:14:24.520 I know, because we know he loved the president

01:14:28.180 and was defensive of the administration

01:14:30.400 and always wanted the administration to succeed,

01:14:32.800 but did have strong opinions of his own

01:14:34.960 on what the right direction to take would be,

01:14:38.100 especially on something like a Middle East war.

01:14:40.260 So it's nuanced,

01:14:41.400 but there's no room for nuance amongst certain critics.

01:14:44.340 You know, it's like you have to do it their way

01:14:46.080 or the highway, Andrew.

01:14:48.060 Yeah, well, and I want to give people

01:14:49.440 a little backstory on this.

01:14:51.200 You know, Barnes and I were fighting, basically.

01:14:53.440 Like we were arguing.

01:14:54.620 And so then we pick up a phone

01:14:56.240 and we talk to each other about, you know,

01:14:59.060 what he perceives to be the overly zealous

01:15:01.800 pro-war messaging from the show.

01:15:03.800 And I was like, Barnes, you didn't listen to any,

01:15:05.400 like you took a couple of clips

01:15:06.840 and you drew these vast conclusions

01:15:09.400 about what we think about the war.

01:15:11.640 So then we talk about it like gentlemen,

01:15:14.520 like you're supposed to do offline.

01:15:16.180 And we realized, oh, actually,

01:15:17.640 there's a lot of overlap here.

01:15:18.900 What else people need to understand

01:15:20.480 is that at Turning Point,

01:15:22.640 obviously this is not Turning Point,

01:15:24.100 but we have a bunch of the students on the show.

01:15:26.780 And guess what, Megan?

01:15:27.900 They don't like it.

01:15:29.260 Even Trump voting conservative students

01:15:31.680 are upset about the war.

01:15:33.260 And it's important that people understand

01:15:34.920 that that is the truth.

01:15:36.500 So I personally am,

01:15:38.440 me and Charlie, you know,

01:15:39.940 charted that course together.

01:15:41.980 I was skeptical of regime change.

01:15:44.080 Rightly so.

01:15:44.980 I'm a millennial.

01:15:45.800 I saw what happened in Iraq.

01:15:47.260 I saw what happened in Afghanistan.

01:15:48.660 I saw what happened in Libya.

01:15:49.940 There is a lot of reason

01:15:50.980 to be skeptical of regime change.

01:15:52.500 Things get messy.

01:15:53.680 Unexpected things happen.

01:15:54.940 It draws out.

01:15:55.760 It's longer.

01:15:56.400 It's costlier and bloodier than you expect.

01:15:59.780 And so, you know,

01:16:00.960 there's a lot of reason to be skeptical.

01:16:02.460 But guess what?

01:16:03.100 I do trust the president.

01:16:04.400 I give the president a lot of leash.

01:16:06.140 I can see the upside in this war.

01:16:08.220 There's truth in what Barnes said.

01:16:10.540 Truth in the fact that the coalition

01:16:12.180 could be fraying at the edges.

01:16:13.780 And we need to be aware of that.

01:16:15.260 And we need to make decisions

01:16:16.600 that are not only the national security

01:16:19.240 best interest of the country,

01:16:20.580 not only the best interest of our foreign policy,

01:16:22.860 but also in the political best interest of our country.

01:16:24.980 Because if we engage in this conflict in Iran

01:16:28.260 and things go south

01:16:29.820 and we lose the House and the Senate

01:16:32.220 and all we get is impeachments for the next two years,

01:16:35.300 that's a heck of a price to pay.

01:16:37.060 And people need to understand what they're weighing

01:16:39.040 when their country gets into a conflict

01:16:41.920 in the Middle East.

01:16:42.600 That's a nightmare.

01:16:44.180 I mean, truly, the thought of losing the Senate,

01:16:46.340 that's a nightmare.

01:16:48.040 Because the map doesn't get easier

01:16:49.780 for Republicans in 28 on the Senate.

01:16:52.240 So it's like, they need to hold this time around.

01:16:54.900 Well, and I think we can turn it around, Megan.

01:16:56.580 I do.

01:16:57.180 My glass is half full here.

01:16:58.780 But it's like, you know,

01:17:00.560 this whole thing,

01:17:01.620 like Charlie would have done it this way,

01:17:02.780 Charlie would have done it this way.

01:17:03.620 I can basically point to each one of those people

01:17:06.060 that have the gall to get on social media

01:17:08.640 and post that stuff.

01:17:09.860 And I'll show you a tweet

01:17:10.880 from about seven months ago

01:17:12.580 of them attacking Charlie.

01:17:14.140 So, you know,

01:17:15.760 it seems to be the same voices

01:17:17.880 that love to tell me

01:17:19.660 what Charlie would have said

01:17:21.060 or done or thought

01:17:21.980 that had a big problem

01:17:23.820 with what Charlie was doing,

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01:19:21.920 Hey, everyone.

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01:19:54.480 Can I just ask you how you're doing?

01:19:58.620 Because it's like, you and I talk offline, Andrew, sometimes,

01:20:01.140 but how are you?

01:20:03.160 I mean, we just hit the six-month mark,

01:20:04.680 and we just kind of forged forward,

01:20:06.120 and the world's on fire,

01:20:07.540 and so it's easy to just to kind of forget that.

01:20:10.480 We didn't just lose this pundit

01:20:11.780 who had all sorts of amazing insights for us.

01:20:14.000 We lost a great man and friend.

01:20:17.420 Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest.

01:20:19.120 Yesterday was awful.

01:20:20.060 That was like, actually, for me personally,

01:20:22.300 it was the lowest point in some ways, actually.

01:20:25.140 The six-month mark.

01:20:25.620 They say grief, yeah, they say grief, you know,

01:20:28.340 everybody kind of comes to you and gives you their advice

01:20:30.580 when something like this happens,

01:20:31.940 and grief doesn't go in a straight line.

01:20:33.860 It comes in waves, but, you know,

01:20:36.500 we played a tribute video that one of our producers made here,

01:20:40.560 one of our video editors made for Charlie yesterday,

01:20:43.620 and basically from that moment on, I was not okay,

01:20:48.160 and I kind of like left the office early,

01:20:50.140 and I was just kind of low, if I'm being honest,

01:20:53.540 but I will say the work helps because, you know,

01:20:56.880 sometimes it's okay to throw yourself into your work,

01:21:00.240 and so, you know, the fact that we had the halftime show,

01:21:03.080 the fact that we have AmFest, you know,

01:21:04.660 the fact that we had the tours continuing on

01:21:07.180 in the immediate aftermath, the memorial,

01:21:10.260 all of these things were cathartic, actually,

01:21:13.400 and, you know, and the truth is, Megan,

01:21:17.200 I think, Blake, you would relate to this,

01:21:19.740 that when some, Charlie was so larger than life,

01:21:24.600 and his mission was so big, and, you know,

01:21:26.940 anybody that comes to this campus and sees, you know,

01:21:30.580 all the buildings and all the different teams

01:21:32.620 that are working from the ballot chasing and the data

01:21:34.960 to the campus, to the productions, the social media,

01:21:39.080 the fulfillment center, when they see it themselves

01:21:42.160 and they realize how big it is

01:21:43.700 and how many different teams are activated all the time,

01:21:48.280 24-7 across the country, you realize that,

01:21:52.220 and I think you would get this sense,

01:21:54.120 if anybody in your audience visited the campus here,

01:21:57.600 the HQ, of the duty, the sacred duty it is

01:22:01.140 to carry on the work, and then when you realize

01:22:03.220 how many new students have come into Turning Point

01:22:06.880 after Charlie's assassination, you realize that

01:22:09.340 there really is no way but through.

01:22:11.840 That's, like, that is the only way to do this,

01:22:14.340 and, yeah, we want our teams to have time to mourn,

01:22:17.260 and we've given everybody that opportunity,

01:22:19.620 but, like, we have a sacred duty,

01:22:22.240 and thank God for that, because I'm just glad

01:22:25.380 I'm not having to, like, you know, sit in the depression

01:22:29.120 every day of having lost Charlie,

01:22:31.460 and there is goodness in it, too.

01:22:33.460 You get to see the miracle of God's hand, too.

01:22:36.120 I think it's been somewhat helpful to Erica, too.

01:22:37.820 You know, it's like she could just be sitting grieving,

01:22:40.320 you know, and being with her babes,

01:22:41.540 who she's with all the time and loves,

01:22:43.360 but I think it's beneficial to have something to do,

01:22:46.860 something that requires you to, like,

01:22:49.660 put the grief aside to the extent you can for,

01:22:52.160 you know, even short-term, for a phone call,

01:22:54.480 for a meeting, for a show, in your case,

01:22:57.060 and just get your mind off of it.

01:22:58.640 It's, like, this isn't the same thing,

01:23:01.100 but just as an aside,

01:23:04.700 after my career imploded with the NBC News debacle,

01:23:08.620 I used to do crossword puzzles all the time,

01:23:11.240 and that's when I got hooked on a lot of true crime shows.

01:23:13.780 And the reason I was so into those two things

01:23:16.200 is they don't allow you to think of something else.

01:23:19.780 When you're trying to think of your answers

01:23:21.360 for the crossword puzzle,

01:23:22.240 it's, like, impossible to think of anything other than,

01:23:24.300 like, what is this?

01:23:26.040 What am I trying to fill this box in with?

01:23:28.260 And true crime is, like, it's the darkest thing possible,

01:23:31.700 and so you're thinking about, oh, my God, you know,

01:23:33.480 like, what happened?

01:23:34.160 I'm going to solve this murder with Keith Morrison.

01:23:37.300 And in a way, it just kind of removes

01:23:39.300 your own immediate problems from your mind.

01:23:42.420 And I think I can see with you guys that's true, too, right?

01:23:45.880 It's, like, the job is demanding.

01:23:48.600 To do a show like this is demanding,

01:23:50.380 never mind your responsibilities at Turning Point.

01:23:53.000 Like, it's a good thing for you.

01:23:54.940 It's a good distraction.

01:23:56.180 It's very healthy, Blake.

01:23:57.480 I think that you guys have all kept working.

01:23:59.540 It's required to keep Charlie's organization alive

01:24:01.820 and his show alive,

01:24:02.920 but it's also probably very healthy for you.

01:24:06.460 Yes, and there's a strong sense of mission.

01:24:08.660 Charlie was good at articulating a sense of mission.

01:24:10.880 You mentioned for Erica, it helps.

01:24:12.440 I think what especially helps is knowing that

01:24:15.960 that is directly what Charlie wanted.

01:24:18.620 We know people would ask Charlie about this.

01:24:21.080 What if something happens to you?

01:24:22.540 People would express concern about that all the time.

01:24:25.580 And he would always just very casually throw off,

01:24:28.060 oh, it'd be fine.

01:24:28.860 Erica could take over.

01:24:29.720 He said that directly.

01:24:31.800 And as you say,

01:24:34.040 I think us all having something to work on helps.

01:24:36.500 I think we also get a lot of energy

01:24:38.180 from just clearly how much Charlie meant to people.

01:24:41.140 We have a room here on the campus of buildings

01:24:47.200 that we have,

01:24:48.080 and it's just dedicated to all the packages

01:24:52.260 and artwork that people have either mailed or left here.

01:24:55.640 So yeah, we have a bust of Charlie.

01:24:57.820 We have paintings of Charlie.

01:24:59.460 We have watercolors.

01:25:00.600 We have engravings.

01:25:02.080 We have a couple of purple hearts that people sent in.

01:25:05.500 And I was walking outside the other day for a phone call,

01:25:08.900 and there were people who'd driven here from California.

01:25:11.280 They were in Phoenix,

01:25:11.880 and they wanted to stop by our campus.

01:25:14.680 And so I welcomed them in,

01:25:16.100 and I showed them the room,

01:25:17.180 and it was clearly immensely meaningful to them.

01:25:20.820 And I think that gives us a lot of motivation,

01:25:24.320 remembering and seeing directly

01:25:26.220 how much of an impact Charlie had on people

01:25:29.160 that he'd personally never even met.

01:25:31.640 They'd only seen him in videos.

01:25:32.980 They'd only heard him on his podcast.

01:25:35.980 Maybe they only saw him on TikTok,

01:25:38.400 and yet still had this huge effect on their lives.

01:25:41.340 We always see these messages from people who say,

01:25:44.100 I go to church because of Charlie.

01:25:46.320 I found faith because of Charlie.

01:25:49.360 Some people who say,

01:25:50.260 I'm going to church,

01:25:50.860 even though I'm not sure if this is true,

01:25:52.080 just because Charlie sold it so intensely

01:25:54.380 about how valuable it was in their life.

01:25:56.680 You want to happen to you

01:25:58.260 what you saw happen to Charlie in terms of faith,

01:26:02.140 how inspirational it was to him,

01:26:03.900 how important it was to him,

01:26:05.120 how much it uplifted him.

01:26:06.860 You want it to happen to you, you know?

01:26:10.260 He, I've thought many times about

01:26:12.400 how displeased Charlie would be

01:26:15.840 at how divided the right has been since he died.

01:26:19.700 And unfortunately, the Iran war is not going to help, right?

01:26:23.460 Because it's like, among other things,

01:26:25.860 there's the strong feelings about the war,

01:26:27.240 but among other things,

01:26:28.220 it puts Israel back into the headlines,

01:26:29.740 and that's just been so divisive on the right

01:26:32.800 for a variety of reasons.

01:26:35.520 And I think, you know, Charlie was feeling it too.

01:26:37.720 Of course, he and I had a long talk

01:26:39.220 about the pressure from the pro-Israeli side

01:26:42.620 to toe the line and not deviate at all.

01:26:45.300 But I think overall,

01:26:46.860 he would be extremely sad about the divisions on the right.

01:26:51.480 And then we pulled just a warning from him,

01:26:54.720 from your show.

01:26:55.420 Oh, this is June of 2025.

01:27:00.240 Oh, sorry, from our show,

01:27:01.440 from June of 2025 on that exact issue.

01:27:04.460 Here it is, SOT 28.

01:27:06.060 There is no greater divide on the American right

01:27:08.360 than foreign policy.

01:27:10.380 It's like, we're largely in agreement on immigration.

01:27:12.400 We're actually really in agreement on the trans stuff.

01:27:14.960 But like, the greatest fault line

01:27:17.400 of the conservative movement is foreign policy.

01:27:19.240 And I was really worried that this was gonna bring it to a,

01:27:23.080 bring it to a, not catastrophic,

01:27:27.000 but very unpleasant moment.

01:27:30.280 Turns out I was partially right

01:27:31.720 because no one has liked to see

01:27:34.200 what we've seen on X the last week and a half.

01:27:36.520 It's just been, seeing a lot of our friends fight,

01:27:38.820 it's been really kind of nasty.

01:27:41.220 We have a real enemy, which is the American left.

01:27:43.660 And I think we should try to introduce some new rules

01:27:46.220 that we should, with great spirit

01:27:48.860 and great energy, debate foreign policy.

01:27:51.780 But let's stay outside of the name calling, right?

01:27:53.960 I don't think that helps us at all.

01:27:55.660 I think the left found some enjoyment in it.

01:27:58.920 That was right after we dropped the bomb

01:28:00.360 on the Iranian nuclear facility.

01:28:02.880 And so it's like, you don't really have to search that far,

01:28:05.060 Andrew, to figure out what Charlie would be saying.

01:28:06.840 He'd be saying, try to keep the conversation above board.

01:28:10.100 Try not to do the personal attacks within the right.

01:28:13.820 And, you know, try to keep it on policy.

01:28:15.780 Debate policy.

01:28:16.800 Do it.

01:28:17.360 Like, that's fine.

01:28:18.080 He wasn't opposed to that.

01:28:19.180 But maybe don't get into, like, personal blows

01:28:23.200 against people who are fighting, in general,

01:28:26.200 the same fights that you are on the right.

01:28:30.600 Yeah.

01:28:31.720 The foreign policy, I almost said that, you know,

01:28:35.080 in my last answer.

01:28:36.120 Foreign policy is just fraught on the right.

01:28:39.000 You know, part of the reason is it's because

01:28:41.020 we sold President Trump as the peace president.

01:28:43.240 So any time that he uses kinetic military force,

01:28:47.120 then it feels to strike against a campaign promise, right?

01:28:51.800 You know, I have a, I think, a nuanced view of this,

01:28:54.560 that sometimes peace through strength only works

01:28:56.720 if you show your strength.

01:28:58.420 I think Iran is the biggest challenge yet.

01:29:00.380 But, you know, Charlie was exactly spot on.

01:29:03.200 And I remember spending a lot of time

01:29:05.380 thinking about how we were going to message with Charlie

01:29:09.520 and thinking about how we were going to thread those needles

01:29:11.920 and keep the coalition together.

01:29:13.440 I mean, you know, I think sometimes people

01:29:16.080 misunderstand the role that Charlie played.

01:29:20.080 But Charlie ultimately believed that

01:29:22.480 we had to keep President Trump's winning coalition together

01:29:26.020 as best we could.

01:29:26.940 Maybe it was going to change.

01:29:27.900 Maybe it was going to morph.

01:29:29.240 But he took that responsibility personally.

01:29:31.800 We still take that responsibility personally,

01:29:33.540 which is why, you know,

01:29:34.680 we're going to be constantly attacked

01:29:36.280 for who we platform and who we're friends with

01:29:38.240 and who we won't condemn.

01:29:40.320 And, you know, there's this,

01:29:42.080 there is a point where...

01:29:42.840 I'm familiar with that dynamic.

01:29:44.340 Yes.

01:29:45.100 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:46.300 I know you are.

01:29:47.660 And by the way, we'll be, I'm sure,

01:29:50.540 stepping into it today as well

01:29:51.840 when you look on X as the clip spread.

01:29:53.660 But, I mean, the point is, we have,

01:29:55.960 Charlie believed that the highest calling

01:29:57.720 was to be a philosopher and a statesman.

01:30:00.000 The lowest calling was to be

01:30:01.640 a carnival barker and an entertainer.

01:30:03.960 And so our job is not to entertain.

01:30:06.780 Yeah, we want people to watch the shows.

01:30:09.240 We want them to get educated.

01:30:10.380 We want them to be engaged politically

01:30:12.280 in their civic life, in their religious life.

01:30:15.080 But ultimately, we have so much more in common

01:30:18.580 than we have that separates us.

01:30:21.000 We do, as Charlie said in that clip,

01:30:22.880 have a true and real existential enemy.

01:30:25.440 And it is the progressive left

01:30:26.760 that want to destroy this country,

01:30:28.180 throw our borders open,

01:30:29.120 spend us into oblivion,

01:30:30.220 and, you know, essentially ruin traditional America.

01:30:33.960 They want to ruin the values

01:30:35.620 that make America great and good

01:30:37.740 and wonderful and prosperous.

01:30:39.580 So we have a larger enemy.

01:30:41.440 I guess family squabbles are going to happen,

01:30:43.840 but I just genuinely hope,

01:30:45.700 and I pray,

01:30:46.620 that we can put our differences behind us,

01:30:48.580 that this war will be quick

01:30:50.160 and will be out sooner than later.

01:30:52.980 Obviously, I'm pro getting

01:30:54.540 the strategic objectives accomplished.

01:30:56.300 But, you know, hopefully we can refocus our efforts

01:30:59.720 on the true existential threat to this republic.

01:31:02.540 Amen.

01:31:03.340 We have to debate it.

01:31:04.260 I mean, the New York Times poll

01:31:06.200 that just came out on support for the war

01:31:08.020 shows overall 41% of the populace

01:31:12.980 supports this war.

01:31:14.080 41.

01:31:14.840 They compare that to other wars.

01:31:16.800 When we went to World War II,

01:31:18.560 it was 97% of the populace.

01:31:20.000 Afghanistan, after 9-11,

01:31:22.280 92% of the populace supported it.

01:31:24.740 Persian Gulf War, the first Gulf War, 82%.

01:31:27.680 They go there.

01:31:28.660 The Iraq War even had 76%.

01:31:30.560 Korean War had 75%.

01:31:32.040 And now you've got Iran down at 41%.

01:31:35.020 It's low.

01:31:36.060 So even if you're,

01:31:36.900 and that's all Republicans,

01:31:38.140 like every single one of those is a Republican,

01:31:40.320 which, so even if you are a Republican

01:31:41.840 supporting President Trump's behavior,

01:31:43.400 you have to think long-term about

01:31:45.040 what's it going to do to us at the midterms.

01:31:47.920 And in 28, I mean, 28 is potentially in jeopardy

01:31:52.160 if too many of those independents

01:31:54.780 are really soured on this thing and upset, right?

01:31:57.640 Like that's, you got to think practically.

01:32:00.820 And that's one of the reasons why,

01:32:02.540 you know, many Republicans,

01:32:03.760 Josh Hawley was just saying publicly last night,

01:32:05.920 let's wrap it up.

01:32:07.360 Let's declare victory and say,

01:32:09.740 we did it.

01:32:10.360 We did a lot of good.

01:32:11.820 Let's not let this go on and on.

01:32:13.540 Let's not let oil prices go back to 150,

01:32:17.220 it was $120 a barrel earlier this week.

01:32:19.360 Already gas prices are up, you know,

01:32:22.300 in some places over a dollar a barrel,

01:32:24.820 I mean, a gallon versus where they were.

01:32:28.480 Now you've got the Iranians overnight

01:32:30.480 messing with some ships in the Strait of Hormuz,

01:32:33.740 which President Trump has threatened them not to do,

01:32:35.580 but they're not listening.

01:32:37.140 You know, all these things will have repercussions

01:32:38.840 at the pump.

01:32:39.740 And once gas and oil prices go way up,

01:32:41.480 so do all the other prices, right?

01:32:43.380 So like, even if you think, as you do, Andrew,

01:32:45.780 that peace through strength requires

01:32:47.240 a showing of strength, politically speaking, Blake,

01:32:50.720 there have to be some practical concerns factored in.

01:32:55.540 Exactly.

01:32:56.180 And that's one of the things that,

01:32:57.620 when we had students on, we asked them,

01:32:59.760 we said, don't give us the,

01:33:03.520 you don't need to give us a sort of breezy PR answer.

01:33:06.460 We want to really know how are people reacting to this,

01:33:09.540 especially people who you think voted for Trump.

01:33:11.840 And yeah, you're correct.

01:33:13.440 The polls show there's overwhelming support

01:33:15.400 among Republicans,

01:33:17.240 but the President did not just get votes

01:33:19.960 from Republicans in 2024.

01:33:21.820 He got votes from independent leaners.

01:33:25.560 He got votes from marginal people

01:33:27.780 who don't follow politics that much.

01:33:29.720 And I think that's where we see a bit of a divide,

01:33:32.360 is that if you're from the President's hardcore base,

01:33:36.340 the MAGA group, as it were,

01:33:38.960 there's a lot of support for whatever

01:33:40.720 the President's going to do.

01:33:41.660 There's a lot of trust

01:33:42.400 in what the President chooses to do.

01:33:44.120 But there are a lot of people out there

01:33:46.100 who were won over by the President in 2024

01:33:49.940 for the first time.

01:33:50.920 Maybe they were,

01:33:51.600 it was the first time they were old enough to vote.

01:33:53.220 And that's where you're seeing the most skepticism.

01:33:56.040 And that's where there's that risk that,

01:33:58.320 yeah, maybe the rallies are as supportive as ever.

01:34:00.420 Maybe the people on X are still really supportive.

01:34:04.360 But those people who are less engaged with politics,

01:34:07.020 who aren't following things day to day,

01:34:08.900 those are the ones who are most inclined to drift away.

01:34:11.960 And it's important that we be honest about that

01:34:14.820 because you can't win politically

01:34:17.120 if you're not honest about what people are thinking,

01:34:20.300 how they're reacting to things.

01:34:22.640 Well, unfortunately,

01:34:24.620 the President took a hit after Minneapolis

01:34:26.540 with those independents.

01:34:28.580 And as annoying as they are,

01:34:30.100 and I am one of them,

01:34:31.200 I've been a registered independent for 20 years,

01:34:33.900 as annoying as they are,

01:34:35.440 you do need them to win elections.

01:34:38.020 You know, unless you have

01:34:39.140 an extremely enthusiastic Republican base,

01:34:42.080 it's very hard to win

01:34:43.420 without having the independents

01:34:44.940 more on your side

01:34:46.020 than they are on the other side.

01:34:47.340 And right now,

01:34:48.160 they're siding with Democrats

01:34:49.480 over 72%

01:34:51.040 on the Iran war.

01:34:53.420 They're against it.

01:34:54.160 And the Minneapolis thing,

01:34:55.480 unfortunately,

01:34:56.080 was so spun by the media

01:34:57.580 as being evil and bad and terrible

01:34:59.360 that the President lost a lot of support

01:35:01.880 on his immigration policy

01:35:03.360 and the deportation policy,

01:35:05.420 which, by the way,

01:35:06.040 was foreseeable.

01:35:06.920 We all knew that once

01:35:07.700 President Trump actually started

01:35:09.160 to deport the illegals,

01:35:10.880 the media would run

01:35:11.940 with these sob stories

01:35:12.920 trying to pull on people's heartstrings

01:35:14.440 like the one about the little boy

01:35:15.840 in Minneapolis

01:35:16.880 to try to make them opposed to it.

01:35:19.460 And sure enough,

01:35:20.320 it worked.

01:35:22.080 Here's Harry Enton.

01:35:23.440 This is Sot 16

01:35:24.380 talking about Trump's

01:35:25.960 net approval rating

01:35:26.960 on immigration

01:35:27.820 now versus

01:35:30.220 not long ago.

01:35:31.440 Yeah, this idea

01:35:33.360 that Donald Trump

01:35:34.200 could somehow contain

01:35:35.400 Kristi Noem

01:35:36.220 to just, you know,

01:35:37.220 her own little part

01:35:38.400 of the world, right,

01:35:39.040 and it wouldn't affect him,

01:35:40.220 that is political fantasy.

01:35:41.820 Kristi Noem was hurting

01:35:42.940 Donald Trump in office

01:35:44.380 on his key,

01:35:45.300 one of his key top issues

01:35:46.600 that got him elected

01:35:47.460 President of the United States.

01:35:48.340 I mean, just take a look

01:35:49.180 at Trump's net approval rating

01:35:50.100 on immigration.

01:35:51.240 You go back a little bit

01:35:52.220 over a year ago,

01:35:52.980 he was on the plus side

01:35:54.040 of the ledger.

01:35:54.440 Look at that.

01:35:55.160 Two thumbs up,

01:35:55.920 plus seven points.

01:35:56.780 But again, down he goes

01:35:58.080 in large part

01:35:58.900 because Kristi Noem's efforts,

01:36:00.180 look at this,

01:36:00.520 minus 17 points

01:36:02.260 on the net approval rating

01:36:03.060 on a key issue

01:36:03.980 for Donald Trump,

01:36:04.860 one that got him

01:36:05.500 elected to a second term.

01:36:06.720 And among independents,

01:36:07.680 he went from plus three,

01:36:09.420 plus three net approval

01:36:10.320 on immigration,

01:36:11.120 all the way down

01:36:12.200 to minus 30 points.

01:36:13.980 I mean, my goodness gracious,

01:36:15.560 on a key issue

01:36:16.460 that independents

01:36:17.180 had trusted Donald Trump

01:36:18.260 on over Kamala Harris

01:36:19.520 and Kristi Noem's efforts

01:36:20.820 simply put,

01:36:21.860 killed, crushed Donald Trump

01:36:23.120 on such a key issue for him.

01:36:25.200 Mm.

01:36:26.200 Was plus three

01:36:27.240 with the Indies

01:36:27.780 now down to minus 30,

01:36:29.360 one of the reasons

01:36:29.980 why Kristi Noem's gone,

01:36:31.620 why she was replaced

01:36:32.380 by Tom Homan.

01:36:33.820 I think you guys

01:36:34.820 are where I am.

01:36:35.700 I want them all gone.

01:36:37.060 I want all the illegals out.

01:36:39.080 And I don't really care

01:36:40.900 about objections,

01:36:41.900 but I do care

01:36:42.520 about winning elections.

01:36:43.320 And if we have to stick

01:36:45.480 right now

01:36:46.100 to the worst first,

01:36:47.520 right,

01:36:47.720 that's the Tom Homan plan,

01:36:48.900 just the violent illegals out

01:36:50.280 and focus on them

01:36:51.460 in order to maintain

01:36:52.380 the Senate

01:36:53.080 and win 28,

01:36:55.260 then,

01:36:55.840 I mean,

01:36:56.360 I'm willing to live with that.

01:36:57.560 I don't know.

01:36:57.900 How do you guys see it?

01:36:59.800 I would think

01:37:00.600 one possibility

01:37:01.920 that I think

01:37:02.720 we might really see

01:37:03.660 is it might generally

01:37:05.200 be a messaging thing.

01:37:06.360 I think it might be

01:37:08.000 that early on

01:37:09.080 they went for this flex

01:37:09.960 of,

01:37:10.300 oh,

01:37:10.380 we're doing

01:37:10.940 mass deportations.

01:37:12.620 That's what we're going

01:37:13.080 to brag about on X.

01:37:14.560 That's what we're going

01:37:15.020 to make the slick videos about.

01:37:17.120 And you can basically switch

01:37:18.820 to we're focused

01:37:19.700 on the worst.

01:37:20.380 We're getting all

01:37:20.880 the worst criminals out

01:37:21.900 and still basically

01:37:23.820 do the same policies.

01:37:24.960 There's been reporting

01:37:25.840 in the Washington Post,

01:37:27.340 for instance,

01:37:27.940 that you've had DHS

01:37:29.760 sending letters

01:37:30.880 to restaurants

01:37:32.080 in the D.C. area

01:37:33.040 pointing out

01:37:33.620 all of your employees

01:37:35.300 are not legal hires

01:37:37.400 and that's against the law

01:37:38.420 and so they've had

01:37:38.960 to let a bunch of staff go.

01:37:40.820 And if you're doing

01:37:41.560 that all over the country,

01:37:43.100 that's actually going

01:37:44.120 to be encouraging

01:37:46.320 a lot of the

01:37:46.880 self-deportation work

01:37:48.480 that if they're finding

01:37:49.700 it harder to get jobs

01:37:51.220 in America.

01:37:51.500 We hope that's true.

01:37:53.740 I mean,

01:37:53.900 the self-deportations

01:37:54.840 would be a lot easier.

01:37:55.680 We should somehow

01:37:56.480 incentivize it

01:37:57.240 more than we have.

01:37:58.300 All right,

01:37:58.480 I've got to end on this

01:37:59.900 because there's no way

01:38:00.700 we're ending today's show

01:38:01.460 without getting to this.

01:38:02.540 This hit X

01:38:03.340 a short time

01:38:04.000 before we came on the air

01:38:05.040 and, you know,

01:38:06.380 it's like,

01:38:08.160 it's almost a joke

01:38:09.800 that Bill Clinton

01:38:11.640 would push Hillary Clinton

01:38:13.400 into oncoming traffic.

01:38:15.060 Like, we might joke

01:38:16.000 about that,

01:38:16.520 that he does it

01:38:17.680 metaphorically

01:38:18.440 or he's doing it,

01:38:19.460 you know,

01:38:19.640 in his head.

01:38:20.160 He'd like to do that

01:38:21.140 and hook up

01:38:21.820 with one of those

01:38:22.280 younger girls

01:38:22.760 he constantly fantasizes about.

01:38:25.040 But it literally

01:38:25.860 just happened.

01:38:26.840 So look at this video

01:38:28.460 which is circulating

01:38:29.700 on X now.

01:38:30.580 Hold on a second.

01:38:31.240 It was posted by

01:38:32.520 somebody who goes by

01:38:34.560 Elder Ordinez 1.

01:38:36.400 Watch.

01:38:39.360 Walking.

01:38:39.880 They're in the crosswalk.

01:38:41.160 She's got her pantsuit on.

01:38:42.400 They stop.

01:38:43.820 Here,

01:38:44.060 oncoming traffic's coming.

01:38:44.960 He literally shoves her.

01:38:48.040 And he walks into her.

01:38:49.260 She puts her hands up

01:38:51.220 like,

01:38:51.480 whoa.

01:38:53.440 We gotta see it again.

01:38:54.960 Can we show?

01:38:55.620 Gotta start from the beginning.

01:38:57.340 One more time.

01:38:58.660 Stand by.

01:38:59.560 Watch.

01:39:00.520 You're walking.

01:39:01.680 Crossing.

01:39:02.740 And she wants to turn.

01:39:04.640 She's facing

01:39:05.140 oncoming traffic.

01:39:06.940 He shoves her.

01:39:08.000 Walks right into her

01:39:09.040 twice.

01:39:11.360 To the point

01:39:12.120 where she puts her hands up

01:39:13.100 like,

01:39:13.400 whoa,

01:39:13.840 whoa,

01:39:14.460 whoa.

01:39:14.780 Now,

01:39:16.280 you tell me,

01:39:17.000 Andrew,

01:39:17.340 whether there's something

01:39:18.060 subliminal going on here.

01:39:20.480 I think that's the perfect

01:39:21.760 visual embodiment

01:39:22.740 of their entire relationship,

01:39:24.580 their entire political career.

01:39:26.700 And by the way,

01:39:27.260 I would not,

01:39:28.740 if,

01:39:29.060 you know,

01:39:29.800 I don't know,

01:39:30.460 I can't help myself

01:39:31.420 seeing their interactions

01:39:32.640 feeling a bit sympathetic

01:39:33.600 for Bill Clinton.

01:39:34.640 Maybe it's just because

01:39:35.260 I'm a guy.

01:39:36.060 But I would not want to get

01:39:37.260 on that woman's bad side.

01:39:38.500 I would not want to get

01:39:39.360 in the cab with that woman

01:39:40.460 and have her look at me

01:39:42.060 and tell me,

01:39:42.740 you know,

01:39:42.940 what the hell were you doing,

01:39:44.100 Bill?

01:39:44.620 Don't you put your hands

01:39:45.880 on me,

01:39:46.200 Bill.

01:39:47.180 So anyways,

01:39:48.040 you know,

01:39:48.560 prayers up for President Clinton.

01:39:51.400 Well,

01:39:51.640 that's the irony.

01:39:52.220 That's the first time

01:39:53.040 his hands have been on her

01:39:54.200 in a good 50,

01:39:54.960 60 years.

01:39:55.780 So,

01:39:56.000 I mean,

01:39:56.420 there's that.

01:39:58.200 Maybe there was a tingly

01:39:59.080 sensation there.

01:40:00.640 Okay,

01:40:01.080 sorry,

01:40:01.560 we had to end with a laugh.

01:40:02.700 Maybe it was a spark

01:40:02.860 for something fresh.

01:40:04.480 There you go.

01:40:05.180 See,

01:40:05.540 I got you laughing.

01:40:06.620 Great to see you guys,

01:40:07.760 both of you,

01:40:08.360 and I hope to see you

01:40:09.280 very soon.

01:40:10.500 Thanks.

01:40:11.480 Lots of love.

01:40:12.280 Okay,

01:40:12.540 wow.

01:40:13.380 Such a funny clip.

01:40:14.560 I couldn't get over it.

01:40:15.720 Thanks to all of you

01:40:16.540 for listening too,

01:40:17.500 and we will be back

01:40:18.860 tomorrow,

01:40:20.300 day four,

01:40:20.920 from our remote location,

01:40:22.660 continuing the show going

01:40:23.720 despite

01:40:24.160 the children's

01:40:25.280 spring break.

01:40:26.160 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 11, 2026

Shock Nancy Guthrie 2013 Today Show Segment, Ben vs. Piers, and Charlie Kirk's Mission of Dialogue and Debate, with Andrew Kolvet and Blake Neff ｜ Ep. 1270

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