The Megyn Kelly Show - Shock New Reporting About Biden and Wheelchair, and Disturbing Diddy Trial Details, with Buck Sexton, Mark Eiglarsh, and Mark Geragos ｜ Ep. 1071

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.060 Later today, Kelly's court is back and we have a doozy of a court for you today. 0.99

00:00:20.860 Explosive developments in the Diddy trial, the Weinstein retrial,

00:00:25.320 and some major new developments in the Brian Kohlberger case, as that's barreling toward trial this summer.

00:00:32.440 But we begin today with the news as President Trump begins his Middle East trip.

00:00:36.880 President Biden is back in the spotlight. And how?

00:00:40.160 The first details from the book by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, Original Sin, which comes out next week, have hit the public.

00:00:48.100 The Guardian got a copy and they include the detail that President Biden's aides were so worried about his, quote,

00:00:54.940 physical deterioration beginning in 2023, that they discussed plans to potentially use a wheelchair if he were reelected,

00:01:04.940 but understood that they could not put him in one during the campaign because it would be politically devastating.

00:01:11.780 The extent of the fraud that was committed upon us by these absolute ne'er-do-wells remains shocking. 0.85

00:01:18.720 We should not lose our ability to be shocked just because he lost.

00:01:24.680 This is a true outrage, what they tried to do to us.

00:01:28.880 F these people and their massive fraud.

00:01:33.000 Where is the commission that's getting to the bottom of all this?

00:01:37.140 You know, I mean, I'm starting to turn my view on these leftist reporters who are suddenly doing these books

00:01:43.000 because they actually do have good connections inside Team Biden, and we're getting some very telling details.

00:01:51.200 Why didn't we know this in 2023?

00:01:54.000 We're going to get into all of this with Buck Sexton.

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00:03:13.140 Buck, welcome to the show and congratulations.

00:03:16.100 Thank you.

00:03:16.820 Being a dad is awesome.

00:03:17.960 It's been a lot of fun.

00:03:18.920 A few weeks in, it's great.

00:03:20.920 Ah, good.

00:03:21.680 How's your wife?

00:03:23.420 She's good.

00:03:24.160 I have to stop telling her that I want to have at least three or four kids.

00:03:28.320 I think I've got to wait like six months until I continue that conversation.

00:03:32.880 Like, she's still recovering from the hospital, but she's amazing.

00:03:35.160 She's a trooper.

00:03:35.860 Yes.

00:03:36.320 And the kid is fantastic.

00:03:39.120 Here are three words you should never say to your wife during this period of having a new baby.

00:03:44.340 I'm so tired.

00:03:46.220 Do not say those words, Buck Sexton.

00:03:47.740 Only your wife is allowed to say those words when the baby is an infant, assuming she's breastfeeding and the one primarily getting up with the baby overnight. 0.84

00:03:55.540 I remember looking at Doug saying, you can say that to your friends.

00:03:59.140 You can go say that to your mom and your brothers and sister.

00:04:01.700 You may not say that to me.

00:04:03.360 I try to take care of everything non-baby related.

00:04:07.800 So I'm now primary on kitchen cleanup, the dog, you name it, because I'm so thankful that I get to sleep most nights.

00:04:15.020 But my one thing, can I just, this might be a little controversial.

00:04:17.300 I'm a little surprised.

00:04:18.340 I mean, I'm a new parent, right?

00:04:19.680 So it just happened.

00:04:20.820 And I was really excited for it, waiting a long time.

00:04:23.100 So many people act like I'm about to sign up to be in the trenches in World War I or something.

00:04:28.520 They're like, oh, man, you better get ready for it.

00:04:31.600 I'm like, it's an amazing little guy who looks like me and my wife.

00:04:35.820 It's like the greatest thing in history.

00:04:37.840 And people act like when they're talking to you about it, it's like a calamity that your life will never be the same.

00:04:43.880 I mean, I know that a little bit of it is tongue in cheek from everybody, but it's the best.

00:04:47.940 It's the best.

00:04:48.740 I don't know.

00:04:49.220 I just, I wish I'd done it earlier.

00:04:51.000 That's my only, my only regret is I wish I had started a family younger.

00:04:54.480 I think a lot of people who feel that way did do it earlier.

00:04:56.860 And they went from having these amazing like party lives as young people in their 20s to like, whoa, I'm at home all the time.

00:05:02.860 You know, you're not in your 20s.

00:05:04.820 I'm not in my 20s and wasn't when I had my first baby.

00:05:07.020 So like my life had already downshifted into something more reasonable.

00:05:10.260 So when the kids came, I was like, yeah, this is fine.

00:05:12.160 This is the natural next step.

00:05:13.300 But I think if you were like 24, it would be much more of a shock.

00:05:17.360 Yeah.

00:05:17.560 When you're 40, you've had enough boozy brunches. 1.00

00:05:19.980 Like you get it.

00:05:20.760 You know, like I've been to the mountaintop with like staying out late at night.

00:05:24.360 And now I'm like, oh, baby wants to go to bed at 930.

00:05:27.840 Buck wants to go to bed at 930.

00:05:29.500 This is great.

00:05:31.180 Same.

00:05:31.940 OK, let's talk about Biden.

00:05:34.560 There's this.

00:05:36.280 This really is pretty shocking.

00:05:38.680 What is in this Tapper book and not just Tapper, but Alex Thompson about Joe Biden.

00:05:45.000 So here's a couple of highlights.

00:05:47.300 First of all, the Guardian, again, which got his hands on the book.

00:05:53.160 Says as follows, Joe Biden, according to David Plouffe, who worked for to get Barack Obama

00:05:59.340 elected and then came in late to.

00:06:01.680 Well, I mean, came in early ish to help Kamala get elected, but was saying the whole process

00:06:06.320 of Kamala happened too late.

00:06:07.880 This is a quote. 0.93

00:06:09.240 Joe Biden totally fucked us by leaving it too late to drop out of the 2024 presidential 0.98

00:06:13.980 election. 1.00

00:06:16.240 Plouffe describes Harris's 107 day sprint against Donald Trump as, quote, a fucking nightmare. 0.99

00:06:23.280 That's how we felt on the outside. 0.99

00:06:25.100 But I think for different reasons.

00:06:26.760 And it's all Biden.

00:06:28.340 He adds.

00:06:29.240 He totally effed us.

00:06:31.820 Let's see.

00:06:32.560 They said, well, you remember that Plouffe had tweeted on X right after she lost that

00:06:36.900 the Harris campaign had begun in a, quote, deep hole and later deleted his account because

00:06:42.260 he got so much blowback for saying what was obviously true and goes even further, obviously,

00:06:47.440 with those comments to the authors of this book.

00:06:51.040 The book describes how Plouffe had received calls from donors worried about Biden's diminishing

00:06:55.060 energy, cognitive skills and ability to deliver a speech.

00:06:58.120 He in turn pressed the White House and Democratic Party on whether they felt sure that the then

00:07:02.580 president could win another election and was repeatedly told he could.

00:07:07.580 An unnamed senior aide admits we shielded him from his own staff.

00:07:12.900 Quote, we attempted to shield him from his own staff.

00:07:14.700 So many people did not realize the extent of the decline beginning in 2023.

00:07:20.700 An unnamed unnamed Democratic strategist tells the authors.

00:07:25.640 It was an abomination, his decision to seek reelection.

00:07:29.340 He stole an election from the Democratic Party.

00:07:33.220 He stole it from the American people.

00:07:36.260 And they revealed that President Obama visited the White House in 2023, warning Joe Biden,

00:07:42.500 make sure you can win.

00:07:44.200 Make sure you can win.

00:07:46.040 On top of that, Axios reports that Biden's aides discussed using a wheelchair if he were

00:07:55.400 reelected.

00:07:56.180 They understood they could not do it until after the election, particularly because of

00:08:03.340 the significant degeneration of his spine and his aides alarm over it as he sought a second

00:08:09.560 term at age 81.

00:08:10.520 His aides believed it was politically untenable to have Biden use a wheelchair during the re-election

00:08:15.200 campaign.

00:08:16.920 But they understood he was likely to need it afterward.

00:08:20.220 And here is the response from Team Biden to that report in Axios.

00:08:27.600 So far, we are still waiting for someone, anyone, to point out where Joe Biden had to make a

00:08:34.220 presidential decision or make a presidential address where he was unable to do his job because

00:08:39.780 of mental decline.

00:08:41.040 In fact, the evidence points to the opposite.

00:08:42.920 He was a very effective president.

00:08:45.380 Even Dave Weigel, a leftist, is online saying they had six months to come up with a statement.

00:08:51.540 They knew these books were coming.

00:08:52.580 And this is that's where they landed.

00:08:54.160 Point to a decision that he made or couldn't make because of mental decline.

00:09:00.820 So what do you make of it all?

00:09:02.660 I reject wholesale the narrative that they're trying to peddle now.

00:09:05.760 And I'm going to be very hard on this with anybody who comes forward and tries to act

00:09:10.940 like they're a truth teller.

00:09:12.500 And I have the receipts, as the kids say, Megan, because everybody, everybody knew that

00:09:20.440 Joe Biden was in a state of cognitive decline from just watching him on television for years.

00:09:25.560 On my show with Clay, the Clay and Buck show, we were making comments about how this was the

00:09:31.360 weekend at Bernie's presidency.

00:09:33.040 People were writing in their reviews of the movie from the 80s weekend at Bernie's in response

00:09:38.640 to us talking about it so often because and for those who don't know, it's a it's a very

00:09:43.060 bad movie.

00:09:43.740 But these guys carry around somebody who's a dead is a dead body and they pretend like

00:09:47.720 he's alive the whole weekend.

00:09:48.980 I talked about the historic El Cid, which is a Charlton Heston movie.

00:09:54.120 It's based on a guy in the Iberian Peninsula who's fighting against the Moors.

00:09:58.560 And at the end of the movie, he's dead and they put him on a horse and he leads the

00:10:02.080 final charge while he's dead to scare away the enemy.

00:10:05.280 We were making these jokes, Megan, starting in twenty twenty one.

00:10:08.580 This was obvious the whole time.

00:10:11.620 And what you're seeing right now from the people writing the books and the people who

00:10:15.860 are giving the leaks and everything else is a circular firing squad within the Democrat

00:10:20.480 Party, because here's what really happened.

00:10:23.360 They tried a con and it didn't work.

00:10:26.520 If it had worked, you know, we'd be sitting around here talking about right now.

00:10:30.160 If Joe Biden had managed to stay in and managed to win, they would be talking about how, oh,

00:10:36.180 what an incredible shift it is now that Kamala Harris is going to have to ascend as his vice 0.99

00:10:41.380 president from vice president and take over for him.

00:10:43.460 The plan, I think, was quite obvious all along.

00:10:46.560 Why is it that conservatives and I think really across the board, I'm not pretending like on

00:10:51.340 my show or what I said, we were ahead of the curve on this.

00:10:54.960 It was a laugh line for years that Joe Biden was in some state of cognitive decline.

00:10:59.780 I used to apologize to my audience because I said, look, I don't know what else to do.

00:11:03.640 I remember what it was like when my grandfather was having was going through this and it was

00:11:07.880 deeply saddening.

00:11:08.980 And I see this with Joe Biden.

00:11:10.740 I don't want to talk about this. 0.88

00:11:12.480 I don't want to talk about his brains being scrambled eggs, but it is obvious.

00:11:17.020 We all knew all these reporters knew they are lying now because they have to figure out

00:11:23.380 a way to regain some credibility and to regain some ground, even within their own side, because

00:11:28.740 they made a mockery of their own audience.

00:11:30.580 I mean, look at someone like morning Joe over on Joe Scarborough.

00:11:33.300 He said, I think it was in March of last year, that this was the sharpest version.

00:11:38.860 And he stared into the camera and he lectured people, the sharpest, smartest version of Joe

00:11:43.500 Biden I've ever seen.

00:11:45.820 Not Joe Biden is OK.

00:11:48.040 This is the best Joe Biden I've ever seen. 1.00

00:11:49.920 These people are liars. 0.95

00:11:52.000 I knew what was going on, Megan. 0.98

00:11:54.040 You knew what was going on.

00:11:55.400 They thought they could pull off the swindle.

00:11:57.660 There is no credit for trying to rewrite history now.

00:12:00.740 It's like, oh, did you know they were hiding it from AIDS?

00:12:03.300 This is the emperor's got no clothes.

00:12:06.680 He was walking around naked.

00:12:08.060 We could all see it.

00:12:09.640 It's not new.

00:12:10.700 I mean, the stories will be interesting, but they're just trying to tear each other down

00:12:13.520 and shift the blame.

00:12:15.480 Oh, no, I'm interested in the details.

00:12:17.280 I mean, the fact the wheelchair that he was about to go into a wheelchair, but they were 0.99

00:12:19.800 just like, just get across the finish line of the election.

00:12:21.640 We can't put him in that.

00:12:22.660 Good gracious, right?

00:12:23.740 And it is interesting to finally see, like, I've been waiting for the book about the Kamala

00:12:28.800 Harris disaster and what happened during that camp.

00:12:31.560 That's never come out.

00:12:32.520 You know, this is getting a little closer with David Plouffe talking about it being an

00:12:36.160 effing disaster.

00:12:37.060 But that's not about her.

00:12:38.220 That's about Biden waiting too long.

00:12:40.540 But Biden's still denying that.

00:12:42.420 He denied that just last week when he went on The View.

00:12:44.880 So it is there is some advantage to having these Democrat insiders go beat up their own

00:12:50.680 side.

00:12:50.920 For me on the outside, it's fascinating to read, but no, that's going to be fun.

00:12:54.240 No, I'm going to want to read it.

00:12:55.860 I want to know it.

00:12:56.560 I'm just saying there's no like, oh, I'm speaking through the power.

00:12:59.420 Yeah, it's no excuse.

00:13:00.020 No, no, no.

00:13:00.400 I mean, this is nonsense.

00:13:01.200 No, that's why last week I was ripping Alex Thompson, who got this award for, you

00:13:06.200 know, his coverage of the Biden mental infirmity, which he did more than any other on the

00:13:11.240 left.

00:13:11.820 But when he accepted the award at the radio or the Washington, the White House Correspondents

00:13:15.200 Dinner, he was like, we missed it.

00:13:16.680 You know, the people in this room miss it.

00:13:19.460 They didn't miss it.

00:13:20.000 You didn't miss anything.

00:13:21.220 They didn't miss it.

00:13:21.840 Exactly.

00:13:22.260 They didn't miss it.

00:13:22.920 They sold their souls to defeat Trump and they failed.

00:13:26.380 And now they're trying to buy them back off of, you know, layaway.

00:13:29.860 Like, this is not something that's hard to understand when you look at it in the totality.

00:13:34.060 And again, like I said, all along, Megan, my bet with Clay, which I ended up having to

00:13:38.720 take him out for the most expensive steak in South Beach, which I didn't even know at the

00:13:42.220 time involved people dancing around in like gold.

00:13:45.220 Oh, yeah.

00:13:45.600 The video is good.

00:13:46.480 It was like it was I didn't want to tell you how expensive that steak was, you know,

00:13:49.060 anyway.

00:13:49.320 But the point is, I lost our bet.

00:13:52.180 But my bet with him was, and I'm not kidding.

00:13:54.440 Clay, you don't understand.

00:13:55.920 And this was a two year long bet.

00:13:57.360 OK, this was for two years.

00:13:58.420 I was saying leading up to the election, if they have to wheel him out in a wheelchair

00:14:02.680 and I use those words, they will do it because Kamala is such a disaster. 1.00

00:14:08.120 Now, I ended up not being right, although, as I like to point out, it was very, very close.

00:14:12.740 They they would have pushed Joe out and they could have pushed Joe out with these stories.

00:14:17.480 But they recognize that Kamala was a uniquely untalented and incapable politician. 1.00

00:14:22.840 They made a calculated decision.

00:14:24.860 The thing that that the only shock here to me, by the way, I think they would have gotten

00:14:28.780 Biden through the election if they had just said what I told them they should say.

00:14:32.680 All along, which is, we will not platform an insurrectionist and an election denier in

00:14:37.260 Donald Trump.

00:14:38.700 They would have been able to do it.

00:14:40.540 And here's the craziest thing of all, Megan.

00:14:42.500 Had they refused to debate, they would have at least gotten him to election day.

00:14:48.060 And I think it would have been closer than it was against Kamala.

00:14:50.860 I really do.

00:14:52.160 I think the whole Kamala debacle.

00:14:54.040 Yeah.

00:14:55.160 I totally agree with you.

00:14:56.420 Now, wait, do you want to shock?

00:14:58.280 You said that that was your only shock.

00:14:59.840 I'm going to give you another shock.

00:15:00.900 Ready for this?

00:15:01.740 Oh, shock me.

00:15:02.420 Guess who's coming on this show on Tuesday?

00:15:08.400 Joe Biden.

00:15:09.960 No, that really would be amazing.

00:15:11.740 Oh, OK.

00:15:12.500 I was like, that would be amazing.

00:15:14.600 He'd be amazing.

00:15:15.560 Meghan Markle would be amazing.

00:15:17.320 No, Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.

00:15:21.420 I mean, look, Jake, Jake said, I'll tell you this, and I know you guys are friends.

00:15:25.960 Jake and I are not friends.

00:15:27.200 He wants to come on our show.

00:15:28.740 He's going to get lit up if he does, because there's no way for him to tell this story in

00:15:33.440 a way other than why didn't you go on.

00:15:35.280 I have rants on air for three years, three years talking about how Joe Biden clearly

00:15:41.940 has the signs of dementia, clearly is too old for this, clearly.

00:15:45.280 And I'm not the and it's not even like I'm the, you know, turn on Ben Shapiro show and

00:15:49.320 turn, you know, you know, Dan Bongino was talking about.

00:15:52.160 I mean, turn on everybody in this space.

00:15:54.260 You were talking, everybody knew we did a whole episode in June of 2022, a whole episode.

00:16:00.320 I mean, it's rare for us to devote an entire episode to something like this.

00:16:02.740 I mean, no, you but you assume you assume too little of your humble correspondent, because

00:16:07.120 I am going to ask all the tough questions of both of them.

00:16:11.240 And I'm not saying you're not going to ask questions.

00:16:12.800 I'm just I'm just I'm just I'm just minding I'm just minding my tongue because I think

00:16:17.440 that the whole thing is kind of an outrage and an insult to intelligence for all of us

00:16:21.840 that they're now writing this book.

00:16:22.880 And it's like, huh?

00:16:23.880 Yeah.

00:16:24.380 Turns out they were hiding from his aides that he had senility.

00:16:28.480 Well, this was the whole thing you got.

00:16:30.320 They had they had a puppet president for four years.

00:16:33.340 Megan, they were lecturing us about our sacred democracy.

00:16:36.820 And I mean, you go back and see those look and look at their reportage.

00:16:40.000 Look at whether it's Jake and Alex or others.

00:16:42.280 Look at what they what they were reporting on with Donald Trump and the insurrection, everything

00:16:46.360 else. 0.99

00:16:47.260 The guy who had the nuclear codes had a non-functioning brain.

00:16:51.840 And we all know that.

00:16:53.180 And they had it for years.

00:16:54.320 They let him finish out the presidency.

00:16:56.840 Why not the 25th Amendment? 0.86

00:16:58.160 We heard about the 25th Amendment endlessly when Donald Trump is sharp as a tack.

00:17:02.820 Actually, that phrase now we can never use again, by the way, because of Joe Biden.

00:17:06.100 Now it's become like a laugh line.

00:17:07.780 But Donald Trump, last time I saw he comes off of 18 holes.

00:17:11.380 He's like high five and, you know, high five and clay's hugging my wife.

00:17:14.920 He's like telling funny stories.

00:17:16.340 He's never once has someone said, oh, wow, I saw Donald Trump and it looked like, you

00:17:20.840 know, he needed a sippy cup and nap time because he does it because his brain is fine because

00:17:24.960 he's different than Joe Biden.

00:17:26.940 This this whole story of because I can see this now, too.

00:17:30.520 Look, we were misled by the we were misled by the big, bad Biden White House people. 1.00

00:17:35.980 Well, then you're a moron. 1.00

00:17:36.980 Just like the New York Times said journalism. 1.00

00:17:39.140 Like the New York Times said about covid, we were misled.

00:17:41.740 No, we actively misled you.

00:17:44.500 That's your proper headline.

00:17:45.580 New York Times, these media people after the fact, now that we all on the right have

00:17:49.480 been proven correct yet again.

00:17:51.740 Now want to glom on to our correctness like, oh, we saw two.

00:17:54.980 We were part of the right narrative all along.

00:17:56.820 No, you weren't.

00:17:57.440 We were there.

00:17:58.260 You were on the other side.

00:17:59.420 We documented it.

00:18:00.900 Well, welcome to the party.

00:18:02.160 Johnny, come lately.

00:18:02.960 But you are very, very late.

00:18:06.040 Oh, and by the way, complicit late.

00:18:08.040 Late and complicit.

00:18:09.120 I mean, this is like we've got the two guys from the bank heist in two different rooms

00:18:13.320 and they're both saying he made me do it.

00:18:15.600 The media and the Biden White House.

00:18:17.700 It was all and we all know, too, they they changed their directive for what they there's

00:18:23.100 a reason. 0.82

00:18:23.680 CNN in specifically is a giant dumpster fire.

00:18:29.240 It has no credibility anymore because Jeff Zucker allowed it to turn itself into and it's

00:18:33.880 not just him, but there, you know, that was a big part of it into an anti-Trump battleship.

00:18:39.160 And guess what happens if you lose your battleship gets sunk.

00:18:43.300 And that's where CNN is.

00:18:44.540 No one should believe that this is an honest network that's trying to provide facts to the

00:18:48.840 public.

00:18:49.100 That's an absurdity.

00:18:50.160 They let a president with dementia go unchallenged for years.

00:18:54.820 In fact, the only I'm sure you'll play it.

00:18:56.920 The only clip of Tapper that anyone's seen about this is him actually challenging Laura

00:19:01.980 Trump when she brings up Biden's cognitive client.

00:19:04.440 He's like, how dare you?

00:19:05.380 Are you a psychiatrist?

00:19:06.480 No, Jake. 1.00

00:19:07.240 We're not all morons. 1.00

00:19:09.200 We can see and hear and have for years that this guy is a puppet and the people around him 1.00

00:19:16.720 are all playing a game.

00:19:17.820 This is a, Megan, this is a sea change moment in the public's understanding of journalism,

00:19:24.400 of the media, of who is honest.

00:19:26.820 And we should not let this go.

00:19:27.940 By the way, I totally agree with you on COVID too.

00:19:29.620 It's the same thing.

00:19:30.740 They went from being the little like commissars of COVID enforcement in the media to, oh, but

00:19:37.540 big bad Fauci told me that this was true.

00:19:40.100 Somehow I was not fooled by any of that. 0.99

00:19:42.680 Somehow I knew that all this was crap and that it came from a lab that masks are a joke and 0.99

00:19:47.280 that lockdowns are moronic, but I'm supposed to, you know, why is it that these people, 0.98

00:19:52.120 you know, I went on, I went on Bill Maher show back in October and I appreciate some 0.84

00:19:55.640 of Bill's, you know, more recent commentary on these subjects.

00:19:59.580 Cause I think at some level he really just, he just realizes the Democrat party's just

00:20:03.220 gone insane.

00:20:04.260 And he says that, right? 0.99

00:20:05.380 No, but he thinks the Republicans are worse.

00:20:06.820 You know that.

00:20:07.760 Oh, oh, absolutely.

00:20:09.520 Absolutely.

00:20:09.940 No, I always say this.

00:20:10.720 He's right on about 40% of things in these days.

00:20:13.420 I'd say about 40% he gets it about 60%.

00:20:16.080 And so on any woke issue, he's correct, but he definitely suffers from TDS.

00:20:22.180 I mean, I like, you know, he's got the TDS.

00:20:24.660 I, I, this is the one moment where we really had a sort of at cross purposes or at just,

00:20:29.300 I said, you know, he's really not a fascist Bill, right?

00:20:31.420 Like it's going to be fine.

00:20:32.360 The country, he goes, no, I don't know that.

00:20:34.040 I was like, dude, come on, get, you know, you're a smart guy.

00:20:37.540 You're successful.

00:20:37.960 Get a grip anyway.

00:20:38.800 Um, but, but, but I remember when I went on that show, we're talking about this.

00:20:42.760 It was still considered some kind of right-wing talking point to say that the Democrats had

00:20:49.420 tried to essentially swindle the American people by leaving Joe Biden in as long as they did.

00:20:56.520 And the thing is, everyone can kind of figure this out.

00:20:59.500 You leave Joe Biden in and then, oh my gosh, he debated.

00:21:03.240 Now we can't continue to lie anymore.

00:21:04.960 You go with Kamala.

00:21:06.640 Why didn't they put Kamala in before?

00:21:08.620 Because they knew that she was a disaster.

00:21:10.620 She was a train wreck without dementia.

00:21:12.940 It all played out exactly as it should have under the circumstances.

00:21:18.220 And, and this is just for me now to look back on this.

00:21:21.420 No, here's the thing.

00:21:23.100 Does anyone say I'm sorry to their audience?

00:21:25.620 Does anyone ever go and say, uh, you know, Hey,

00:21:28.800 Oh, look at Rachel Maddow after Russiagate fell apart. 0.99

00:21:32.060 Did she come out and say, I got it completely wrong.

00:21:35.380 I misled you for two years.

00:21:37.440 No, she just rode that into a $30 million a year contract for one day a week. 0.99

00:21:42.720 And she's still the leftist goddess, goddess and revered for her factual fact-based reporting.

00:21:49.660 So I agree with you.

00:21:51.720 I would add to this though, that in the case of Maddow, the Russia collusion thing, while not entirely successful for the left, it slowed him down in the first administration.

00:22:03.580 You know, it, it was a, it was like an obstruction tactic.

00:22:06.500 So the fact that they were lying about that to their, to their audience, I'm talking about if you're an MSNBC watcher, it's tell me more about Russia.

00:22:14.460 Talk about how Trump and Putin were like, you know, taking Turkish baths together, like make up whatever you want.

00:22:19.720 As long as it's hurting Trump, I'm in, you know, the problem they have in this case, in this story is Joe Biden's fine.

00:22:28.300 They're lying to you.

00:22:29.280 He doesn't have dementia.

00:22:30.160 Joe Biden's fine.

00:22:31.140 Oh, Hitler just won the election. 0.86

00:22:34.680 And, and now we're going to tell you that we were lying to you about the dementia the whole time.

00:22:38.200 They have made a mockery of their own audience and they failed.

00:22:42.780 Do you, do you see what I mean?

00:22:43.700 Like that's the, there was no upside to this.

00:22:46.440 This was a catastrophe politically for, they're fine with lying.

00:22:49.920 But if you lie and you lose now, people who watch Maddow at home, well, that's a whole other kind of like who's watching that out at home.

00:22:56.940 But people who are watching these individuals, um, yeah, they, they, uh, need to have a reckoning.

00:23:03.460 The reckoning needs to happen.

00:23:04.840 And I don't know if it will.

00:23:06.380 There are real consequences to those lies.

00:23:08.340 Well, I'm shocked.

00:23:09.240 I have to say that it's like, I, I guess I'm not shocked.

00:23:13.740 I mean, I'm not shocked.

00:23:14.480 He was about to go into a wheelchair.

00:23:15.540 He looked like he was about to go into a casket.

00:23:17.460 That's the truth.

00:23:18.540 But it is interesting to read these people coming out with the progressive levels of how bad it was.

00:23:24.800 And I, you know, the more I read, the more I just think what I've been thinking, which is F these people, they should never be trusted again.

00:23:32.020 There needs to be a federal investigation into how bad he was, whether he was competent while in the office and making the decisions and signing the executive orders and, you know, the pardons who was making the calls.

00:23:46.580 We still don't know that we need subpoena power over his top aides who need to be forced under oath to tell us who was governing the country.

00:23:57.340 That hasn't happened so far and it needs to.

00:23:59.260 Okay.

00:23:59.400 I want to keep going because we don't have that much time.

00:24:01.040 Can I just say one quick thing?

00:24:02.120 It's just that I think Jill Biden is going to emerge as one of the quick, as one of the big villains in all this. 0.50

00:24:06.160 Jill Biden should have pulled her husband out of this. 1.00

00:24:08.420 Anyway.

00:24:08.600 She's a doctor.

00:24:09.640 I mean, she should know better.

00:24:10.400 Okay, let's talk about, I know you're big on this subject and I find it fascinating too.

00:24:16.740 Trump is going to bring, is bringing white Afrikaners from South Africa to the United States as refugees.

00:24:24.540 We've had some, what's the number, like 59 arrive in the past day.

00:24:29.080 And this is because in South Africa now they have turned on white people and decided that because of the history of villainous behavior there, that the current whites in South Africa must be punished, up to and including taking their land away from them and just giving it to black South African residents and citizens. 0.55

00:24:53.440 So now Trump has said they can come here.

00:24:56.720 Some, there's some 8,000 of them who want to leave.

00:24:59.040 And so he's, he's not saying yes to everybody, but he's saying, we're going to take a look.

00:25:02.760 They can come here as this is what a true refugee looks like, who is under threat because of his race of losing his property, his livelihood and potentially worse. 1.00

00:25:12.340 I mean, claims of violence and threatened death.

00:25:14.800 And, um, the, the first shipment of folks arrived yesterday and there they were literally standing there, waving American flags.

00:25:23.320 Look at this.

00:25:24.780 Um, look this, I mean, I'm sorry, but like, they look like people who would like to assimilate.

00:25:30.560 I'm very encouraged by their American flag shirts, their American flags that they're holding and waving and full of gratitude to president Trump and to this country for giving them a place to go after being persecuted for no reason other than the color of their skin.

00:25:47.880 But now Buck, we've got the left saying, this has gone too fast.

00:25:52.940 They're, they're allowing in these refugees too quickly without adequate investigation of who they are and whether they deserve to be here. 1.00

00:26:02.420 We should have involved the UN say some of these Democrats and the hypocrisy is dripping, dripping from the sides of their mouths as they make these claims.

00:26:11.980 Your thoughts on it?

00:26:12.560 Well, first of all, it's, it's just beyond parody that for four years of the Biden administration, you had 10 plus million illegals piling into the country, overwhelmingly claiming false asylum, right?

00:26:28.140 I mean, these are people who there is absolutely no basis to believe that they really need asylum.

00:26:33.460 They just come from generally poor, crappy countries, just the way it is. 1.00

00:26:37.780 And they'd rather be in America, especially in America that gives them $400 a night hotel rooms in midtown Manhattan and gives them culturally sensitive meals and, you know, preloaded debit cards, right? 0.83

00:26:48.380 Like that, that sounds better than wherever they come from.

00:26:51.200 10 plus million.

00:26:53.140 And this is, oh, but we're a nation of immigrants.

00:26:55.880 We're not a nation of illegal immigrants, by the way.

00:26:57.920 But that's a whole other part of the conversation.

00:26:59.540 Now we have 50 people who come to this country legally, lawfully at the invitation of the executive branch of the president himself.

00:27:08.120 And the media is completely freaked out.

00:27:09.680 These are people who bring skills with them, particularly if they're Afrikaners who have a farming background, you know, a high level farming background.

00:27:16.960 That means that they would be productive right away.

00:27:20.300 And also people that speak English and love this place.

00:27:23.920 They're not coming here because we're giant welfare, welfare camp or a soup kitchen.

00:27:28.260 They're coming here because they love this place.

00:27:30.340 I'm just going to say this.

00:27:31.140 I live in South Florida.

00:27:32.540 Cuban Americans are some of the most patriotic Americans you'll ever see in your life.

00:27:36.120 People that fled the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot in Cambodia, they love this country.

00:27:40.300 Former Soviets, you get what I'm saying. 1.00

00:27:42.500 People that have fled injustice and tyranny and come here lawfully love this place.

00:27:48.240 Millions of people scammed the system under Biden.

00:27:50.520 These people are actually coming here the right way.

00:27:52.660 Here's why it's such a problem for the Democrats.

00:27:55.440 I've been talking about this issue for years because what you really have in South Africa is an end state affirmative action country, if you will, where instead of just being this amorphous, which the Supreme Court just, of course, shut down.

00:28:12.360 But this amorphous, like, well, we need to take these things into account.

00:28:15.680 You have explicit quotas in South Africa.

00:28:18.560 You have you must have, I think, 85 percent of your company must be black employees or must the managerial managerial set must be black. 0.97

00:28:28.140 If you want to get certain loans, you have to actually be black or at least partner with somebody who is black. 0.99

00:28:33.700 There's all of these rules and laws that explicitly disenfranchise the roughly seven percent of South Africa that is that is white.

00:28:42.780 And that's predominantly Afrikaner.

00:28:44.720 I mean, you can get it like Dutch East India Company comes around 1653.

00:28:48.440 There are Dutch and Germans who are there.

00:28:49.840 And then the English end up taking it over later. 0.67

00:28:52.040 But point being, the seven percent of the country that is that is that is white has not only state sponsored disenfranchisement going on now, but there's also an unwillingness to to police and protect, particularly these farms that have been the subjects of clearly anti white violence of the most gruesome and horrific kind. 0.57

00:29:15.080 And if you look next door to what happened in Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia, with Mugabe, who died some years back, but he was the dictator there, they had a land expropriation campaign.

00:29:27.600 There's talk of that happening now in South Africa fully.

00:29:30.400 It has not happened.

00:29:31.320 And I believe it's come up in the legislature.

00:29:32.860 But they say, you know what? 0.93

00:29:34.180 The land belongs to the black people in this country, not the white people. 0.97

00:29:37.420 That was what happened in Zimbabwe. 0.84

00:29:38.540 It went from being the breadbasket of Africa to being a place that cannot cannot feed itself as a country and has inflation rates in the trillions of dollars.

00:29:47.560 I mean, you can't even you know, no one can conceive of the numbers of inflation that happened in Zimbabwe, basically destroyed the country.

00:29:53.880 And there's talk of doing that in South Africa.

00:29:56.040 There's also rolling blackouts in the country.

00:29:58.680 There's corruption that would make what happens in some parts of Latin America look like it was Switzerland. 0.76

00:30:03.920 The place is a mess and there's still tremendous blame and resentment on the white.

00:30:10.440 I even saw it on the MSNBC panel.

00:30:12.360 This is what I do with my mornings.

00:30:13.800 This, you know, earlier today where there's tremendous blame for the white people who live there.

00:30:17.820 Like some of them are, you know, they're they were born after apartheid ended.

00:30:22.600 Like, why are they being punished for this?

00:30:25.160 And what it really goes to, Megan, is they cannot the Democrat leftist mind cannot conceive of a situation in which there is discrimination against white people.

00:30:37.160 They believe racism is an ailment specific to white people and it is impossible for non-whites to be racist.

00:30:44.680 And so this just this is an absolute circuitry breakdown for them mentally. 0.98

00:30:49.960 They can't process and handle this.

00:30:51.780 And it completely freaks them out.

00:30:52.900 And it's really good for the American people to see, oh, so that's what the game is here.

00:30:57.680 You're so right.

00:30:58.740 That's exactly right.

00:30:59.900 Well said.

00:31:01.240 Here's another example of exactly what you're talking about.

00:31:04.000 Her name is Ashley Allison.

00:31:06.320 We've shown the audience this woman before.

00:31:08.060 She goes on the CNN panel on the Abby Phillips show that Scott Jennings appears on.

00:31:13.800 And she was the former National Coalition's director for Biden-Harris 2020.

00:31:17.640 This is the woman who was out there not long ago saying black women are the most educated people in the world.

00:31:26.660 And I still can't get ahead.

00:31:28.860 I don't understand. 1.00

00:31:29.560 Like, I've still been left behind, even at CNN, when I should have jumped ahead of others, alleging, I guess, that CNN is a bunch of racist, sexist pigs. 0.97

00:31:37.400 But in any event, or I guess it was Obama, she was saying, like, under Obama, she didn't get ahead, notwithstanding the fact that she was clearly the most qualified woman in the room because she's a black woman with all this education. 0.97

00:31:47.820 OK, well, maybe you're not that impressive.

00:31:49.800 Maybe you didn't wow people.

00:31:51.580 I hate to break it to you.

00:31:52.380 You don't seem that impressive to me.

00:31:53.720 I watch you on CNN in these clips.

00:31:55.480 I'm never like, wow, this is a really intelligent, thoughtful person.

00:31:58.560 And it seems like Obama's administration felt the same.

00:32:01.460 Well, she's back with thoughts on this South African situation.

00:32:05.160 Watch this.

00:32:05.680 Thirty-five, 30-plus years ago, they went through a revolution, the apartheid system ended, and they reformed their constitution under the great leader of Nelson Mandela.

00:32:19.420 And that allowed for a racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do.

00:32:25.340 But South Africa did it, and they reformed their constitution.

00:32:28.200 And part of that is that the people who are native to that land deserve their rightful land back.

00:32:33.840 The constitution in South Africa is discriminatory.

00:32:36.820 They have their checks and balances in that land, just like we do.

00:32:40.860 And that is for them to, so if the Afrikaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country. 1.00

00:32:46.100 They are.

00:32:46.620 They're leaving to come here. 0.80

00:32:47.580 No.

00:32:48.120 These refugees are coming here. 1.00

00:32:49.440 They can actually leave and go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany. 0.82

00:32:53.760 Are you against them coming here?

00:32:55.040 Holland.

00:32:55.640 Holland, yes.

00:32:56.360 Are you against them coming here?

00:32:57.540 I'm against the hypocrisy of this administration.

00:32:59.920 No, no, that's not the question.

00:33:01.060 What I am against is that they are being given special treatment when there is not a genocide happening in South Africa, and they just don't like the law of the land.

00:33:08.080 Amazing, amazing.

00:33:11.120 Is there a genocide happening right now in Venezuela or Mexico?

00:33:16.300 Because you really seem to love the immigrants who come from those countries, and not just those countries, but Bill Malugin, Fox's immigration reporter, he tweeted out, Buck, similar to what you were just saying.

00:33:26.800 Did the media networks now criticizing a few dozen South Afrikaners coming to the U.S. legally as refugees have anything to say when Arizona was overrun with thousands of African aliens crossing illegally every day in December 2023?

00:33:41.640 Because I sure didn't see them down there covering it.

00:33:45.040 Oh, well, first of all, Bill does fantastic work.

00:33:47.760 And second of all, on this, if you come to this country illegally from Haiti or from Ghana or from Bangladesh or wherever, the Democrats believe that you're as American as American can be day one.

00:34:01.680 That's just the truth.

00:34:02.320 You should be able to vote.

00:34:03.480 You should be able to vote.

00:34:05.400 You don't speak the language.

00:34:06.600 Who cares?

00:34:07.320 You don't know anything about this country.

00:34:08.660 What's the difference?

00:34:09.700 You're not white. 0.81

00:34:10.500 We should give you everything that you could possibly need, courtesy of the taxpayer, who, if they don't pay their taxes, they go to prison.

00:34:17.080 We should give you everything you want.

00:34:18.560 You should be open arms because there's a lot of reasons for this.

00:34:22.560 But one of them is because of America's history of, you know, exploitation, colonialism and slavery.

00:34:26.620 So whatever we have to do to help the non-white population of the world, the Democrat Party believes should be done via immigration.

00:34:34.760 And yet when you have that woman from CNN, she's talking about they should go, meaning the Afrikaners, they should go back to where they came from. 0.56

00:34:42.160 But they've been for 300 years in South Africa, 300 years.

00:34:49.620 I mean, you know, I hate to break this to people.

00:34:51.640 This is part of the of the massive ignorance of history that exists on the left.

00:34:55.080 I mean, even the people that are supposed to like people that are involved in writing the 1619 project and people that you see.

00:35:00.140 She's one of the highest educated, though, Buck. 1.00

00:35:01.720 She's one of the highest educated. 0.87

00:35:02.880 They don't know they don't know anything about history.

00:35:06.940 They know about propaganda and how to how to tell people that they're not accountable for their own decisions.

00:35:11.560 They're not accountable for what's going on today.

00:35:13.440 It's all about historical wrongs.

00:35:15.160 I see this and I see people who somehow have set up a double standard in their mind whereby it doesn't matter that South Africa is openly discriminating, discriminating against people based upon skin color because of what happened a long time ago.

00:35:31.900 And I sit here and I say, hold on a second.

00:35:33.640 I mean, the Dutch have been there for hundreds of years.

00:35:35.840 The Zulu tribe, for example, which people say, well, I saw someone on Twitter like, why don't the Dutch learn how to or, you know, the Afrikaners learn how to speak Zulu?

00:35:42.980 They were they came like 150 years after the Dutch arrived there. 0.51

00:35:48.080 They were conquerors from neighboring tribes who showed up.

00:35:51.600 This wasn't like they it was like the Dutch and the English took over like some Shangri-La here was like a well-functioning Jeffersonian democracy.

00:35:59.660 It was a largely uninhabited piece of land.

00:36:04.020 And at what point do you get to say that this is actually your homeland, too?

00:36:07.580 Again, if you come here and you're not white and you illegally arrive here, you it is Megan. 0.92

00:36:13.620 If you're an MS-13 gang member who's not supposed to be here as American as you and me and everybody listening, how dare you not give him like seven different court hearings or whatever.

00:36:23.280 But the guys who have been living in South Africa, their generations, their families go back for six, seven, eight generations now, hundreds of years.

00:36:30.600 They're supposed to go back to to Germany.

00:36:33.160 And by the way, why is that not a racist comment that she says on that show? 0.99

00:36:36.640 No kidding.

00:36:37.360 Go back to where you came from.

00:36:39.080 And why and why?

00:36:40.200 Why does she have such a strong objection to them coming here? 0.87

00:36:42.660 No, not here.

00:36:43.680 No, she she says and they should leave.

00:36:46.420 And then Scott Jennings says they are.

00:36:48.500 And she was like, no, not here.

00:36:50.940 Go back to Germany or go to Holland. 0.99

00:36:53.220 Like, what is it?

00:36:54.500 What is it about them, Ashley, that you find so objectionable?

00:36:58.420 You know, when when normal law abiding Americans, including overwhelmingly Hispanics, objected to the waves of illegals coming in, mostly from South America, Latin America, you call them all racist.

00:37:12.980 You said we all these.

00:37:14.220 The left said it's all about racism. 1.00

00:37:16.280 You hate brown people. 0.97

00:37:17.100 But now this one small group of whites who actually are facing massive racial discrimination comes and she says it's a no. 0.99

00:37:25.120 Get out.

00:37:25.980 Why?

00:37:26.300 It's obviously because of skin color.

00:37:28.300 And by the way, live by the sword, die by the sword.

00:37:30.600 We'll play by your rules.

00:37:32.320 Oh, absolutely.

00:37:32.840 And what you see here is that the the left believes in intersectionality.

00:37:38.580 They don't use the term very much anymore because it sounds too nerdy.

00:37:41.200 But intersectionality is just different groups, if you will, racial groups in particular, but different groups within society are all constantly vying for dominance and power over each other.

00:37:53.360 And that it's the role of the state to play this kind of arbiter that says, well, no, you need to be suppressed and you need to be elevated.

00:37:59.660 This is antithetical to the most core American values and principles.

00:38:05.260 This is antithetical to what we fought a very bloody civil war over and had to have constitutional amendments to clarify, which is that all men are created equal and we're all to be treated equally under the law.

00:38:16.380 South Africa is failing that.

00:38:18.800 And we all know it openly.

00:38:20.260 And what you see in South Africa is the problem, you know, the problems of the past are going to continuously be addressed into the future.

00:38:28.260 And you're going to disenfranchise people, in this case, the Afrikaners, because of what their grandfathers did or their great grandfathers did. 0.94

00:38:36.680 And you're going to say that a legal regime that discriminates based upon historical narrative is just why? 0.96

00:38:43.640 Well, because it's black people doing it to white people. 1.00

00:38:46.040 And, you know, you look at the reaction, you've got The New York Times literally saying this is going too fast. 0.83

00:38:52.500 The refugee process often takes years, but only three months have passed from the time Trump signed this executive order.

00:38:58.100 It's happening too quickly.

00:38:59.360 Time magazine refugees coming into the U.S. are typically vetted by the United Nations, which routinely refers people fleeing persecution and violence in their home country to safer countries like the U.S.

00:39:09.240 The arrivals from South Africa were not vetted by that office.

00:39:12.000 Because suddenly they're so concerned about the vetting and the speed of the arrival of the refugees.

00:39:19.200 Give me a break.

00:39:20.860 All right, wait, there's a lot to get there.

00:39:21.920 So I got to switch now to the U.K., where there's a similar switcheroo happening with Keir Starmer, okay, who was completely in favor of open borders, just like the rest of his left wing party.

00:39:34.260 There are statements after statement after statement by him.

00:39:38.080 I'll just give you a montage of a few of how he's been sounding in the prior years to this one.

00:39:43.680 Listen.

00:39:43.820 So we have to make the case for the benefits of migration, the benefits of free movement.

00:39:51.460 We have to make the case for freedom of movement.

00:39:55.840 And we have to make it strongly.

00:39:57.600 We welcome migrants.

00:40:00.240 We don't scapegoat them.

00:40:01.880 Low wages, poor housing, poor public services are not the fault of migrants and people who've come here. 1.00

00:40:08.780 They're political failure.

00:40:10.320 Political failure.

00:40:11.880 I think we should welcome people wherever they come from, thank them for their contribution and see them as part of our families, our communities and our society and embrace that.

00:40:24.060 The Labour Party has been a bit scared of making the positive case for immigration for quite a number of years.

00:40:28.280 And I think we need to turn that around.

00:40:31.020 Okay, great, Keir.

00:40:32.220 How'd that work out?

00:40:33.140 I'll show you.

00:40:33.880 Listen to what he's saying now.

00:40:36.760 Today, we publish a white paper on immigration.

00:40:39.740 A strategy absolutely central to my plan for change that will finally take back control of our borders and close the book on a squalid chapter for our politics, our economy and our country.

00:40:58.160 The experiment is over.

00:41:00.420 We risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together.

00:41:05.660 But when people come to our country, they should also commit to integration, to learning our language. 1.00

00:41:14.160 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:41:15.360 Our system should actively distinguish between those that do and those that don't. 1.00

00:41:21.620 What an idiot. 1.00

00:41:23.000 We've all been saying that for decades. 1.00

00:41:26.240 And he and his party and their counterparts here in America have been challenging us, saying those kinds of statements are racist. 0.99

00:41:34.780 Now this asshole finally realizes that he's been on the wrong side without doing a mea culpa, right? 0.99

00:41:40.440 Just kind of comes out there like, gee, now it's gotten really bad. 1.00

00:41:43.580 And by the way, Buck, it has gotten terrible over there.

00:41:46.720 In recent years, the immigration numbers in the U.K. have, illegal immigration, have reached 906,000 in the year from June 2022 to June 2023.

00:42:01.080 Back when David Cameron was prime minister in 2010, they were in a freakout about the fact that annual net immigration had exceeded 100,000.

00:42:13.300 Now it's at 900 plus thousand.

00:42:17.600 And finally, after their country is gone, it's gone.

00:42:22.300 The U.K. is no longer what it once was.

00:42:24.820 And I don't think it will ever be again.

00:42:26.400 And finally, Johnny, come lately, Keir Starmer's like, oh, gee, they're not assimilating and we should do a crackdown.

00:42:35.480 Yeah, this was predictable.

00:42:37.260 And in fact, you and I and many others predicted it for many years.

00:42:40.280 As you pointed out, this was the most obvious thing in the world, taking people in in huge numbers who have, you know, isn't it interesting, Megan?

00:42:48.940 You can finally say these things now and there's not this sense that you can just be shouted down and deplatformed everything and be called a racist.

00:42:57.360 Having people who share your language and your culture and people who are going to bring something to the table and not be welfare cases.

00:43:06.920 The entire mass immigration really tragedy of the last, call it, 25 years has been an abject disaster for Europe and for the West and for America. 1.00

00:43:22.620 It's been a disaster for Canada and it's all based in lies. 1.00

00:43:26.800 It's based in lies and the moral coercion of idiot mobs of leftists shouting at you. 1.00

00:43:34.220 How dare you? 1.00

00:43:35.140 We have all these slogans.

00:43:36.540 We're a nation of immigrants, like I said before.

00:43:38.660 They do the jobs Americans won't do or they're doing the jobs that Brits won't do. 0.97

00:43:43.040 This is all bullcrap. 0.94

00:43:45.360 And the numbers now show it. 0.99

00:43:47.240 You look at Canada, for example.

00:43:48.660 We've been led to believe that Canada has a point system for immigration and they're only going to take the best of the best.

00:43:53.680 Somehow Canada's economy has stalled out.

00:43:56.280 Their prices for housing is through the roof.

00:43:58.260 They got a mess on their hands over there.

00:44:00.320 And we look here in the United States and we've seen, does anyone really believe that the 10 million plus illegals who piled into this country under Biden are doing the jobs Americans want to?

00:44:09.880 And by the way, even if they would, I don't want them here.

00:44:12.860 They are illegal and they are going to be a massive net drain on the economy because they're going to have to get Obamacare and Medicaid.

00:44:20.800 They're going to get state resources and all the rest of it.

00:44:22.920 I mean, the fact that you have so many people who have come into the country in violation of our laws erodes each day the sovereignty of this place. 0.90

00:44:33.220 We are not an economic zone.

00:44:34.960 This is not a giant refugee camp, which we saw in a place even like New York City.

00:44:39.660 There were literal refugee camps that were popping up in places, but they're not even refugees.

00:44:44.460 They're just skipping the immigration line.

00:44:46.700 Over in Europe, they have had been so brainwashed with this woke nonsense.

00:44:50.820 Meg, I'll tell you, I was actually with, when I was in the CIA, I spent time with the Swedish and Danish national police, counterterrorism police.

00:44:59.660 Do you know what they were doing all of the time?

00:45:02.200 And this is going back over a decade.

00:45:04.120 Dealing with the terrorists who had fled from the Middle East, who were now using their countries as staging grounds for attacks in the West, 0.52

00:45:13.500 for raising money to send back to terrorist groups back home.

00:45:17.200 This was their full time job all the time.

00:45:19.500 And I remember looking at them, thinking to myself, you guys brought them here.

00:45:23.060 You brought this upon yourself.

00:45:24.620 This is completely insane.

00:45:26.520 And in those countries, by the way, the numbers are massive.

00:45:28.920 I mean, a place like Sweden has, I think, 10 million people live there.

00:45:31.600 And like a million of them come from Iraq and Syria now.

00:45:34.820 And I mean, let me just give you the numbers on that point.

00:45:38.340 Daily Mail reporting that on Britain's asylum seekers, quote, unquote, asylum seekers, Pakistan was the most common country of origin,

00:45:44.800 followed by Afghanistan, Iran, Bangladesh and Syria.

00:45:49.140 These five countries alone made up almost 40 percent of all asylum applications.

00:45:54.080 Good luck.

00:45:54.480 Yeah, well, I mean, you also this is this starts to force some pretty difficult conversations as well.

00:46:00.780 Show me where there's been a large migration of Muslim migrants in the last, I would probably say ever, 1.00

00:46:09.380 but in the last 50 years where things have really done.

00:46:13.820 When I say large, I mean massive numbers that everyone can recognize are changing the cultural and demographic makeup of the country.

00:46:21.560 Right.

00:46:21.760 We have not had that for Muslim migrants in this country. 1.00

00:46:25.780 They have had it in some European countries.

00:46:28.320 But how has that tended to go?

00:46:30.520 I mean, has there been cultural cohesion?

00:46:34.040 Has there been rule of law adherence?

00:46:36.000 Has there been women's rights been advanced?

00:46:38.400 Have women's rights been against? 0.98

00:46:39.460 I mean, you know, last time I went to Scotland on vacation, there are women walking around all over the place in Edinburgh in beekeeper suits, you know, the full burka. 1.00

00:46:48.400 I'm just like, you know, guys, this isn't going to end well.

00:46:51.040 And I know we're not supposed to say this because, oh, no, all cultures are the same.

00:46:54.960 That's not true. 0.97

00:46:55.980 If that were true, the countries that these people are coming from wouldn't be crap holes. 1.00

00:47:00.060 Right.

00:47:00.400 It would actually be a situation where they would come and you would say, hold on, they're doing all these amazing things.

00:47:06.440 We are better at this in America.

00:47:07.840 We're better at assimilating.

00:47:09.140 We've been better than Europe has.

00:47:10.720 But Europe is a harbinger of things to come.

00:47:13.600 Europe is showing us what the future of America is going to be if we don't get a handle on this.

00:47:19.440 And isn't it interesting, too?

00:47:20.860 Oh, I'm not allowed to talk about the quality or the skills or whatever it is of migrants coming in. 1.00

00:47:26.920 Unless if there's 50 guys coming in from South Africa, Megan, everyone could say this is horrible. 1.00

00:47:31.180 And, you know, their grandparents were racist and they're not allowed here.

00:47:34.440 Well, hold on.

00:47:35.040 Which one is it?

00:47:36.200 Are we allowed to judge whether people should come into the country or not?

00:47:39.320 So, yeah, look, I think Europe is toast.

00:47:42.060 I just hope America learns the lesson.

00:47:44.380 I know.

00:47:45.260 And I think it's too late for Europe.

00:47:46.920 I mean, what's really sad is it had to get to a truly dangerous, irreversible point before the Keir Starmer's of the world started paying attention.

00:47:55.640 And I really think it's too late for them.

00:47:57.400 It's too late for them.

00:47:58.240 And it's too late for France, too.

00:47:59.720 People like Ayaan Hirsi Ali have been jumping up and down about this for years.

00:48:02.860 You didn't.

00:48:03.180 I can't wait for the Keir Starmer book.

00:48:05.560 Like, my aides lied to me about this.

00:48:07.660 I didn't realize mass migration was such a bad idea for the West.

00:48:11.920 You're right.

00:48:12.420 Tying it all together.

00:48:14.160 A pleasure to see you, my friend.

00:48:16.080 Be well and kiss that beautiful baby for me.

00:48:18.780 I will.

00:48:19.320 Thank you so much.

00:48:20.160 All right.

00:48:21.280 Coming up in Kelly's court, we're going to get to the explosive first day.

00:48:26.820 And now we're in day two of the Diddy trial.

00:48:28.740 My God.

00:48:30.120 The shocking developments in the Brian Kohlberger case and whether the Menendez brothers are about to be set free.

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00:50:41.860 Now we turn to Kelly's Court.

00:50:47.200 Back in session, the universe might implode because everyone is in court today.

00:50:51.600 Everyone.

00:50:52.520 The Menendez brothers, Diddy, Weinstein, and some of our panelists are involved in multiple of these cases.

00:50:59.520 Plus some incredible new Kohlberger reporting ahead of that trial that starts this summer.

00:51:05.640 Mark Eiglarsh is with us today along with Mark Garagos.

00:51:09.280 Eiglarsh is a criminal defense attorney at Eiglarsh Law.

00:51:12.220 Former prosecutor, Garagos is a trial lawyer and managing partner at Garagos and Garagos.

00:51:17.260 Mark and Mark, welcome back.

00:51:18.280 Great to see you both.

00:51:19.480 What a day.

00:51:20.720 I'm going to start with you, Garagos, because your daughter is one of the lead lawyers defending P. Diddy.

00:51:29.340 So, how do you think it's going so far?

00:51:32.300 They picked the jury last week.

00:51:33.420 They had opening statements yesterday and their first and second witness.

00:51:37.040 And they're in the middle of crossing that second witness right now.

00:51:39.820 On a personal level, I was in court yesterday.

00:51:45.840 I watched her deliver the opening statement.

00:51:49.160 And I had told somebody who was sitting next to me, I only wish my father was alive to have watched it because he was my partner.

00:51:58.380 And the talent skips a generation.

00:52:01.520 I know she's my dog.

00:52:03.700 She hid it out of the park.

00:52:05.600 That's sweet.

00:52:07.100 She was making... 0.99

00:52:08.440 I will criticize the courtroom artist because that bears no resemblance to my daughter.

00:52:19.200 They're never very good.

00:52:20.280 There's a very funny Modern Family episode where Mitchell is in court arguing and the person who's the sketch artist is somebody who he, like, dissed in a former life and just makes him look ridiculously bad.

00:52:32.300 And his whole goal is to be drawn more favorably by the sketch artist.

00:52:36.080 We have to rely on sketches because it's federal court and they don't allow cameras in federal court.

00:52:40.080 It's very annoying.

00:52:41.060 But I would say this.

00:52:42.580 I'll go to Eiglarshan on this.

00:52:43.940 I thought she made the only and best argument that's available to Diddy, which is he may be a bad person who you can't stand, whose sex life is bizarre and offensive to you.

00:52:55.840 But that doesn't make him a criminal under the RICO acts.

00:53:01.560 And you can't confuse your disgust for his personal choices as a human with seeing him as a violator of the criminal law.

00:53:09.140 That's right.

00:53:10.340 No, content wise, she was perfect.

00:53:13.780 She took that video and said, you're not going to like him.

00:53:17.440 You may not find him abhorrent.

00:53:20.260 You may find his conduct deplorable, but he's not charged with domestic violence.

00:53:25.400 He's charged with other acts.

00:53:28.220 She also did a great job of saying, look, his lifestyle is maybe not one that you might endorse.

00:53:33.820 Maybe you don't engage in.

00:53:35.360 He's a drug user.

00:53:36.520 He's this and that.

00:53:37.260 She got out all the wind out of the government's arguments, all that bad character stuff.

00:53:42.220 And I think that she's got a shot.

00:53:45.000 Here's what she these are highlights from her opening as reported on the Law and Crime podcast.

00:53:50.940 First of all, they keep calling him Sean, not P. Diddy, not Puff Daddy, just Sean.

00:53:56.080 He was wearing a gray sweater in court yesterday, just like a little, you know, Catholic school boy and actually was seen reading the Bible before the.

00:54:04.880 OK.

00:54:05.320 OK, OK.

00:54:07.860 But she said the government has no place in Sean's bedroom that he can get angry.

00:54:15.460 And there's been some domestic violence, too.

00:54:18.640 But that's not criminal racketeering.

00:54:21.500 Baby oil is not a crime.

00:54:23.200 By the way, Megan, sitting in the courtroom, the only time I saw jurors actually laugh during both the government and the defense openings was when she made that little kind of snide remark about the baby oil.

00:54:44.660 Oh, God.

00:54:46.320 That is the only time you saw a stone face kind of melt.

00:54:51.200 Well, ask any woman or man who grew up in the 1970s.

00:54:55.240 It used to be slathered all over us as we searched for the perfect tan, which somehow both of my panelists today have managed to achieve.

00:55:01.220 She said, and this is really this gets to the heart of it.

00:55:05.300 Women, these women are adults who made their own choices. 1.00

00:55:09.600 And here it has real parallels to the case that our other panelists frequent on Kelly's court is not is now trying.

00:55:18.820 That's the reason Arthur Idala isn't here today, which is the Harvey Weinstein case.

00:55:23.160 It's a similar defense.

00:55:24.240 Like, we know you don't like our defendant and we know he seems like a terrible man to you.

00:55:29.460 But being a terrible man morally is not the same as committing a crime.

00:55:33.100 And in both cases, both Diddy and Weinstein, you had women claiming that they were abused or raped or mistreated who kept coming back over and over and over in some cases for years.

00:55:46.680 And I think that it may be hard, Garagos, for some jurors to get past that, you know, to like you can understand if a man rapes a woman and she runs to the police, it's much harder to get your arms around why she would have a years long relationship with this person.

00:56:06.360 And that's that's an issue in both of these big trials.

00:56:09.220 You know, obviously, I've known I've known Sean forever.

00:56:13.140 I've represented him for for years, actually currently represent his mother in a unrelated action.

00:56:20.040 I will tell you one of the things as I'm sitting there and it's obviously full disclosure, I'm watching my daughter and I'm watching people that I know.

00:56:29.500 But one of the things to me that was most stunning about this case is if you've been listening to all the noise running up to this case, if you've been listening to everything,

00:56:40.460 if you're on Twitter and you have a feed or X, if you have a feed Instagram, you assumed so many other things were at play in this case.

00:56:50.940 And when you get up there and you listen, actually listen to the opening arguments and realize that what we're talking about, what this case is now boiled down to is two long term ex-girlfriends and one employee.

00:57:07.180 That's who the gravamen of the four or five counts, depending on how they're going to reframe this now that the third so-called accuser is not going to be called.

00:57:19.860 That's stunning.

00:57:20.660 She took off. 1.00

00:57:22.020 The third accuser is nowhere to be found.

00:57:24.240 I don't I don't know that if that's accurately being portrayed.

00:57:28.400 I won't go there.

00:57:29.360 I'm not so sure they ever had her.

00:57:32.780 Oh, fascinating.

00:57:33.880 OK, Mark's got some insider information.

00:57:35.940 He's just going to be a tease, not give it to us.

00:57:38.340 But I think I hear you.

00:57:39.520 By the way, by the way, Megan, how how often is it that as a lawyer you've ever been sitting in the audience, had somebody tap you on your shoulder and say you're going to the principal's office?

00:57:49.220 So I'm very.

00:57:51.340 You mark.

00:57:52.300 Our friend here got in trouble with the judge, even though he's not even a lawyer on this case.

00:57:57.300 Only you, Garagos, you get called into the judge because he was mad about a comment you made on a podcast you do with Harvey Levin of TMZ.

00:58:06.920 Oh, we've got your comment that got you in trouble.

00:58:09.120 My team's way ahead of me.

00:58:10.040 Let's hear it.

00:58:10.460 Let's hear what you did.

00:58:11.760 Your team is so much.

00:58:12.860 Let's talk about the lawyers.

00:58:14.480 So the prosecution now we know just came out today that they have five lawyers on the team, all of whom are six, six.

00:58:25.800 Now, the ones I know, I know of five, all women.

00:58:28.980 Is the sixth a woman?

00:58:30.440 Yes.

00:58:30.860 OK, so six women, all white. 0.61

00:58:34.080 All right.

00:58:34.880 Correct.

00:58:35.320 That's my understanding.

00:58:36.440 I've only seen a couple of them or know of a couple of them.

00:58:40.340 But my understanding is you've got a six pack of white women. 1.00

00:58:43.680 That's not coincidental.

00:58:46.820 I, you know, it's very interesting to me.

00:58:50.160 But, you know, when prosecutors try to get too cute, you referenced O.J. Simpson.

00:58:56.840 Sometimes it comes back and backfires on you.

00:59:00.360 OK, so Judge Supermanian.

00:59:02.420 How is that, Megan, how is that not constitutionally protected speech?

00:59:06.120 I can't imagine that Garagos didn't give it back to the judge unless he just said, all right, fine, judge.

00:59:12.600 I want to know what you told him.

00:59:14.020 This is protected.

00:59:15.060 You're allowed to say that.

00:59:15.920 Well, let me just tell the audience first what the controversy is, even though, sadly, we're both on Garagos' side on this particular controversy, because it would be much more fun if we could beat down on him.

00:59:23.720 So the Judge Supermanian called you in there, again, even though you're not a lawyer in this case.

00:59:29.320 You're the father of a lawyer in this case.

00:59:30.860 And obviously it seems you're consulting.

00:59:32.740 But and he says to you, according to I don't know the source from this article I'm reading from.

00:59:38.860 Oh, NBC News that in your chamber, in his chambers, he'd be listening and watching you to make sure that you don't say anything else that can interfere with a fair trial.

00:59:48.200 Hi, judge.

00:59:48.960 Great to have you watching Kelly's court. 0.94

00:59:50.760 I think this is ridiculous, he said. 0.99

00:59:52.580 I think referring to the prosecution in this case as a six pack of white women is outrageous. 0.99

00:59:56.500 This would not be tolerated in any court from any lawyer anywhere across the nation.

01:00:00.540 And why, why, what, what's, why is he so offended at that comment, Mark?

01:00:05.300 Well, I'm not going to, I really enjoy him.

01:00:09.000 I mean, I think he's been very fair.

01:00:11.120 I might have, I didn't realize until I read the transcript.

01:00:14.700 He basically said, I'm, I'm going to be watching you.

01:00:18.260 I'm going to be watching the podcast.

01:00:20.480 And I said, well, as long as you subscribe, and that's where the transcript ended.

01:00:24.740 So I, I did not mean to be flip, but I'm a little, the, the optics of this case, I will tell you, watching the jury selection and everything else, the optics of this case are kind of bizarre to me.

01:00:43.420 And, and, and somebody had reported yesterday.

01:00:47.140 So I'm going to repeat what was reported yesterday.

01:00:50.680 You, we've already discussed what the prosecution looks like.

01:00:54.680 The prosecution is being brought by the civil rights division of the department of justice.

01:01:00.960 And it regards two other girlfriends.

01:01:03.840 It is a black man.

01:01:05.680 And yesterday the government exercised peremptories out of their nine peremptories. 0.94

01:01:11.580 Their first seven of those nine, or at least seven of those nine were against the blacks.

01:01:18.220 So the optics here to me, and by the way, I didn't know they were going to do that when I, when that, when we had that discussion, but I don't know why.

01:01:27.840 I mean, Mark, what was the race of, of the, what's Cassie's race?

01:01:31.960 What's the race of this, uh, this guy who claims he was a sex worker brought in there.

01:01:36.840 The other girlfriend. 0.79

01:01:37.940 And the, I mean, most of the accusing witnesses against him are black too.

01:01:42.020 This is not, this is not, this is, we're not going to OJ this case.

01:01:44.620 Let's, let's keep going.

01:01:46.100 Um, here, I hear you on the, on the defenses, but I have to say this.

01:01:50.940 So he's been charged with racketeering, sex trafficking, transportation to engage in prostitution.

01:01:56.280 These are very high bars, racketeering, sex trafficking and transportation to engage in prostitution.

01:02:02.740 Now, Mark, I think Mark Eiglarsch, now we're in business.

01:02:06.820 Now I'm liking the prosecution's case better than on the Rico count because the defense was saying yesterday with respect to, cause there was testimony from one of the sex workers.

01:02:15.940 And repeat, like this guy, this guy is a witness in the case and his name is Daniel Phillips, Phillip.

01:02:23.900 He was the second witness.

01:02:25.120 The first was, um, a security guard at the Intercontinental who was there in the aftermath of that beating where, where Sean Combs did beat down Cassie.

01:02:33.120 We all watched it on camera.

01:02:34.100 It was absolutely disgusting. 0.99

01:02:35.080 He's a pig and I can't fucking stand him, but I'm open-minded to him not being a criminal, just saying in the way alleged here. 0.99

01:02:42.240 Daniel Phillip was witness number two, a male dancer who said he received money repeatedly from Cassie, the woman who was beaten on that tape, to have sex with her in front of, uh, Diddy at the Gramercy Park Hotel, that she opened the door in a red wig, that there was a man already there. 0.99

01:02:57.700 She claimed was her husband, said he would just watch them.

01:03:01.560 The man had a bandana over his face and was wearing a hat.

01:03:05.180 He was referred to as baby.

01:03:06.980 It was Sean Combs.

01:03:08.440 Um, he claimed that he was working in import export business. 0.97

01:03:12.600 Uh, Cassie and Daniel had sex. 0.98

01:03:14.760 He was getting paid for the sex. 1.00

01:03:15.900 Daniel was, Diddy watched and pleasured himself, baby oil all over each other. 0.99

01:03:19.460 Diddy complained, not enough baby oil.

01:03:20.980 He was obsessed with the baby oil, um, that Diddy's daughters, again, this is per long crime, left the room.

01:03:27.700 The courtroom, when this testimony is being given, they didn't want to hear this about their father. 0.97

01:03:31.160 His son stayed, that no sexual protection was used, that Cassie, um, messaged him after the fact for, forgive me, but a dick pic, um, that it happened multiple times over 2013 and 2014. 0.93

01:03:42.980 He saw Diddy physically abusing Cassie, or at least heard him slapping her behind closed doors at doors. 0.98

01:03:48.720 Diddy, um, would direct the sex saying, slow down, you know, finish off, if you will, here or there on her body. 1.00

01:03:55.400 Diddy, Cassie wanted him to urinate on, on her. 0.99

01:03:58.540 And then I saw another report saying Diddy instructed him to urinate in her mouth. 0.83

01:04:03.880 Forgive me, this is very tawdry stuff.

01:04:06.540 Um, and then Diddy would be pleasuring himself to it, that they wanted a copy of Daniel's driver's license.

01:04:12.220 And therefore he felt threatened or like Diddy could come back to hurt him, that he urged Cassie to leave Diddy, um, saying that, you know, he's going to hurt you.

01:04:20.140 So you're, this is, uh, I tried to explain to her, she was in real danger if she stayed.

01:04:25.340 Okay, so that's this guy's testimony.

01:04:26.840 And the reason I'm going to UI gloss on this is that the defense to this seems to be he was paying these sex workers, like Daniel, and there'll be others who claim that they were paid.

01:04:35.700 I think, well, there have been in the press, we'll see whether they actually call him, that he was paying sex workers, not for sex, but for their, and I quote, time and experience.

01:04:48.200 Um, that it was not transportation to engage in prostitution so much as I guess, to gain their expertise as sex workers to like advise, I guess, on how it can be done in the most, most filthy offensive ways possible thoughts on all that.

01:05:08.380 Okay. Well, if it's believed, then that's a pretty good defense. Why would it be believed? Cause it's bizarre enough, like everything else they're going to hear. This is not reality as they would consider reality. The reality to Diddy is a completely different world. So if his defense is a little off, a little bizarre, um, yeah, that would be fair and consistent.

01:05:32.400 Most of the things you just read, by the way, are, are things that, that can be overcome by arguing consent. Everybody's playing along.

01:05:40.760 No, not the prostitution, not the prostitution, Mark. Not, not that, not transportation to engage in prostitution.

01:05:47.840 I'm not so sure about that, Megan, because they're arguing consent, Megan. Everybody's involved. Everybody's okay.

01:05:54.380 What do you mean? The hooker's always involved and okay with it. She always consents. 1.00

01:05:58.720 Yeah. But the, the, the, when you take a look at the statute and you interpret the statute, what you're doing here is you're actually trying to turn it on its head.

01:06:10.140 It's designed for the so-called way I'm old enough to remember when you used to call this pimping and pandering the, this is designed for the pimp.

01:06:20.260 It's not designed for the John and that's where they've turned it on its head.

01:06:24.920 That's why the elements don't make all that much sense when it's applied here.

01:06:29.180 And I think you're going to see that when you get the jury instructions.

01:06:32.360 I don't think that. 0.75

01:06:32.820 How is it not, how is he not the pimp in this scenario where he's paying this guy, Daniel, to come into the room at the Gramercy Park Hotel and have sex with Cassie in front of him? 0.72

01:06:42.600 How is that not, how is that legal? 0.64

01:06:45.280 Well, if you were to, if you go on to the back of one of the newspapers, this also betrays my age, and you get, you call somebody to come to your location.

01:06:57.980 I've had cases where that's happened.

01:07:00.560 The prosecutor does not charge you as the person who, who goes and acquires the escort to come to you.

01:07:08.980 They don't charge you with pimping or pandering.

01:07:11.720 They charge you as prostitution or the person who is acquiring the prostitute or the sex.

01:07:19.300 That's the way traditionally this has been applied.

01:07:22.520 This is a whole new, you know, special Diddy exception, if you will, to the statute.

01:07:27.940 How is it lawful, Mark Eiglarsh, for Diddy, in this alleged scenario, to be hiring sex workers over the course of years and, in some cases, transporting them to his location to have sex with Cassie or other women right in front of him?

01:07:46.620 How on earth is that legal?

01:07:48.720 It may not be, and that's what the government's asking.

01:07:51.200 What do you mean may?

01:07:51.620 Why are you wiggling?

01:07:52.800 How is it legal?

01:07:54.040 Everybody knows prostitution is illegal. 1.00

01:07:55.960 It's no less illegal to order up the prostitute and have them come to your place and pay for them to have sex there. 1.00

01:08:02.400 It depends on what the facts are. 0.98

01:08:04.480 Go ahead, Garrett.

01:08:05.520 No, it doesn't.

01:08:06.380 I was just going to say, is OnlyFans illegal?

01:08:09.300 Is the Cowboys for a—

01:08:11.280 I'm not an expert on OnlyFans, but OnlyFans, my understanding, is they get naked on camera and you pay to watch it. 1.00

01:08:16.560 Okay, and what's the—

01:08:18.920 That's not the same thing as prostitution. 1.00

01:08:21.100 Well, I know, but I'm asking you, why—and you seem rather heated on it.

01:08:25.580 You guys don't channeling your internet. 0.99

01:08:26.980 That's because your client or friend, your guy who you consider your close friend, is an absolute pig cretin who I desire to see suffer. 1.00

01:08:36.420 So that's why I'm heated. 0.99

01:08:37.940 I understand that.

01:08:38.720 You've got to—I would hope that you can just—

01:08:40.440 Move to excuse her.

01:08:42.720 Yeah, I could not serve in this jury, that's for sure.

01:08:44.960 Yes, I—right.

01:08:46.060 The court would thank and excuse me.

01:08:48.340 Yeah.

01:08:49.000 He's watching right now.

01:08:50.100 Judge, listen to me.

01:08:51.600 Don't let him off.

01:08:52.300 No, sorry, sorry.

01:08:53.660 Okay, let's keep going.

01:08:56.800 I don't—I don't agree with you guys on this.

01:08:58.720 I see what you're saying.

01:08:59.340 You're saying the charge that was brought against him may not—the elements of it may not line up with those particular acts.

01:09:06.160 And I haven't looked at each element to see whether that's true.

01:09:08.620 But I'm aware that you cannot—you cannot do by phone what you could not do in person.

01:09:14.260 You're not allowed—it's no more legal for the person to order the prostitute and pay him than it is to be the prostitute and do it.

01:09:18.780 Period.

01:09:19.500 Okay, let's keep going because the—there's a lot of other things to talk about.

01:09:23.860 Let's do Menendez next because that's another one—that's another Garagos case I can't keep up.

01:09:29.080 And not just Garagos, but my lawyer and friend Brian Friedman is now involved in trying to get your two clients out of jail on any number of ways.

01:09:41.480 Like, there's a—there's a few different ways now where you might be able to get them out.

01:09:45.100 Because what originally happened was the old, the outgoing Gascon attorney said,

01:09:49.560 you know what, I'm gonna—I want to take another look at whether these guys should be held.

01:09:56.560 Like, maybe we need to take a fresh look at this case.

01:09:58.460 And it was clearly a ploy to stay in office.

01:10:00.400 Well, he got booted.

01:10:01.600 And now the new DA is like, never mind, we don't want to do that.

01:10:04.920 But—and you guys first said this new DA should recuse himself.

01:10:10.860 He shouldn't be part of this case.

01:10:12.960 And I think that's where all hell broke loose, Mark Garagos.

01:10:18.000 What happened?

01:10:18.760 Now do you—now do you want him?

01:10:20.500 This guy, Hochman, do you want him gone or don't you?

01:10:23.020 Because it seems like you then backed off of your motion to have him booted from the case.

01:10:26.720 So, and I said this on the record, Brian, your lawyer, my friend, had discovered right before court last week,

01:10:38.100 somebody had come up with—because we'd both been kind of perplexed by the idea of why is this guy so personally invested in this case?

01:10:47.780 And—meaning Nathan Hochman.

01:10:50.280 As it turns out, Brian had discovered that he had engaged a crisis management firm that arguably had been doing a social media campaign against the brothers.

01:11:03.700 And then I said, well, if that's true—and I said this on the record to the judge—I then did some Googling,

01:11:09.240 and it turns out that Mr. Hochman, when he was in private practice, he and his father, who were very accomplished tax defense lawyers in Los Angeles,

01:11:20.640 had represented Jose's ex-business partner in a tax dispute regarding a transaction that took place months after Jose was killed.

01:11:31.440 And so this whole kind of Jose rehab tour, that reputation rehab tour that Hochman has been on, all of a sudden comes into focus.

01:11:41.680 Now you say, well, why didn't we pursue that?

01:11:43.960 I want—and as we're taping this, Megan, I'm about to cut you off and say goodbye to my friend Mark because I've got to get to court.

01:11:52.220 I don't want to delay the resentencing.

01:11:54.220 I want to get in there.

01:11:55.240 I want the judge to hear the evidence.

01:11:57.420 I want the judge to engage with the victims because, by the way, Brian represents all of the victims,

01:12:04.380 and every living victim is uniformly shoulder to shoulder.

01:12:08.760 Of Jose Menendez.

01:12:10.140 Yeah, of Jose.

01:12:11.580 Jose's older sister, all of Jose's relatives, of Kitty Menendez, her older sister, all of their relatives.

01:12:19.360 Everybody wants them out.

01:12:20.620 Everybody says they are rehabilitated.

01:12:22.900 Everybody who has—in that family who understands what this statute is and what a resentencing is, all are uniformly in lockstep with us.

01:12:34.980 They want them out.

01:12:36.000 But let me ask you, okay, so as I understand it, there are three—let me just ask this first.

01:12:40.620 There are three possibilities to get them out.

01:12:42.240 One, that they're just resentenced.

01:12:44.520 That's what George Gascon initiated last fall.

01:12:47.420 The second is clemency from Governor Gavin Newsom.

01:12:53.620 Governor.

01:12:54.360 Governor Newsom.

01:12:55.960 It's pretty good.

01:12:57.040 And the third is a habeas corpus petition filed by you guys claiming that there's new evidence unearthed about the sexual abuse by Jose Menendez.

01:13:07.760 And we've discussed some of that in the past, like the Menudo singer who said he molested me and so on.

01:13:14.900 So which one is your best path here, Mark?

01:13:18.220 Which one is the most active and most likely to get him out?

01:13:21.320 Today.

01:13:22.100 Today, as we're taping this, when I go to court—

01:13:24.540 Which is the resentencing thing started by Gascon.

01:13:27.400 Correct.

01:13:28.040 Correct.

01:13:28.500 And I mean—

01:13:29.060 Go ahead, Aiklarsh.

01:13:29.700 So I wanted to ask Mark, and I say this with love and friendship, those who have challenges with them getting out primarily point to their mother.

01:13:41.120 And, you know, why did she need to be killed? 0.94

01:13:43.640 And that just complicates the whole thing.

01:13:46.060 And I'm wondering what your response is.

01:13:47.580 My response is that the focus of the statute is the 35 years since the crime.

01:13:55.720 And one of the things that I've been so frustrated by is the current DA's conflation of that issue that Mark talks about with what the statute says.

01:14:06.800 The statute says basically minimizes looking at the crime and maximizes what have you done since then.

01:14:13.420 Now, to answer your question more fundamentally or on the merits, far be it for me to be the one who kind of seizes the moral high ground on Kitty, I have sat numerous times—I put her under oath in this courtroom in November, and I put her under oath a year—more than a year ago in what's called a conditional exam—with Joan, her older sister, who describes herself.

01:14:39.220 Look, I was not only Kitty's older sister, I was eight years older than her, and I kind of was a surrogate mother to her, to Kitty as well.

01:14:47.440 I loved her more than you can love your own child, and I have forgiven them, and I want them out before I die.

01:14:56.420 That is one of my fondest wishes in this case, is to get them out so they can get out, so they can hug Joan.

01:15:02.840 So I could get into a detailed explanation as to all of the facts of the crime.

01:15:09.860 We don't have enough time, but I will tell you, far be it for me to put myself in shoes other than where Kitty's own sister has said, please, please, judge, let them out.

01:15:21.400 Okay. There's a lot more to get to. I want to do quickly a fast one, which is the Blake Lively-Justin Baldoni case, which is being handled for Baldoni by our friend Brian Friedman.

01:15:32.860 And he has just dropped a subpoena on Taylor Swift, saying she needs to participate in this trial because she was alleged to have been at this meeting at Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds' New York City penthouse, where they discussed a scene that Blake had rewritten.

01:16:00.380 Justin has said that the meeting got very heated and that he felt ambushed because Blake's husband, Ryan Reynolds, was there, and then Taylor Swift showed up.

01:16:09.940 Not to mention, Blake also sent Justin a text message claiming Taylor Swift was her dragon and Blake Lively was Khaleesi.

01:16:19.840 And so to me, I'm not surprised at all. I mean, I'm biased towards Brian, I admit, but I actually don't find this surprising at all.

01:16:27.220 I think most lawyers would subpoena a witness to this critical meeting and the fact that she's Taylor Swift doesn't allow her to be treated any differently from somebody who is named Barbara or Taylor, I guess, Taylor Smith instead of Taylor Swift.

01:16:45.660 I'll start with you on that, Garagos.

01:16:48.060 Well, look, I readily concede, as you do, Brian is probably one of my closest friends in the world.

01:16:54.840 Having said that, and it seems like every case we have this time, there's some connection, but the fact is that when somebody says, and I saw this yesterday, I don't know if it was Taylor or her people, saying, we just licensed the song, 19 other people have licensed the song. 0.98

01:17:13.400 Well, excuse me, if you're a percipient witness to a meeting that is essential to the allegations in a case, I understand that it's a pain in the ass.

01:17:26.680 I understand that you don't want to be involved and you want to get dragged into it. 0.53

01:17:30.580 But the fact is, you're a percipient witness, and that's what litigation is all about.

01:17:35.260 Do they care, Eiglarsh, that it's one of the biggest stars in the world?

01:17:40.140 Will the judge factor that in when deciding whether or not she should be forced to testify in this case?

01:17:45.920 It shouldn't matter.

01:17:47.200 If she's a key witness and has relevant information, then there's no way that she doesn't have to testify and get involved.

01:17:54.960 So when, do we know when that trial is, Mark Garagos?

01:17:58.480 No, we don't.

01:17:59.820 And probably, if I had to bet, Brian probably will slap me when I go see him in about an hour.

01:18:07.900 I don't think this will ever get to trial.

01:18:10.340 They can't afford to have this go to trial.

01:18:14.840 Who's they?

01:18:16.160 They, meaning the other side.

01:18:18.280 Blake Lively, Ryan Reynolds cannot afford to, and not financially afford.

01:18:25.660 They cannot weather the collateral damage that will be done at a trial.

01:18:31.260 That's already being done.

01:18:32.720 Yeah, it's already, I was going to say, it's already been, I don't know.

01:18:36.340 I mean, you can manage your way, I suppose, out of anything from a crisis management standpoint.

01:18:41.800 But the amount of self-inflicted damage in this case so much on their side, not just laying it at Brian's feet,

01:18:50.280 kind of their tone-deaf responses to things has just been astonishing to me.

01:18:54.860 So, but, well, how does it end then?

01:18:57.200 Because she's suing Justin, Justin's suing the New York Times, and has he also brought a counterclaim against her?

01:19:05.900 I'm trying to remember the specifics.

01:19:07.660 He's definitely suing the New York Times.

01:19:09.540 I believe so.

01:19:10.800 At some point, everybody's going to get into a room.

01:19:14.120 There's going to be a retired judge as a mediator, and he's going to sit there, and he's going to do shuttle diplomacy,

01:19:19.720 and it's going to end the way that almost all disputes in Hollywood end, which is a mediated settlement.

01:19:27.300 Let me tell you a story about Brian Friedman.

01:19:29.580 They can't.

01:19:30.480 They have to resolve this.

01:19:32.180 I've told the audiences before, but I met Brian Friedman when he was suing me.

01:19:36.000 He was suing me.

01:19:37.220 He wasn't the plaintiff, but he was the lawyer for somebody who was suing me.

01:19:41.040 It was a dispute I had with a former agent.

01:19:43.180 And he took my deposition.

01:19:45.960 At the beginning, I was like, I can't stand this guy. 1.00

01:19:48.480 I want to punch him in the face. 0.98

01:19:49.800 And by the end of that deposition, I was like, I'm in love with him. 1.00

01:19:52.580 I need to know him on a personal level.

01:19:54.320 He's like one of my favorite people ever.

01:19:56.020 And a beautiful friendship was born.

01:19:57.640 But when he was still adverse to me, we had a mediation to try to settle.

01:20:03.900 Whenever you're on the way toward litigation, usually you do a mediation, and then ultimately you either have an arbitration or a trial.

01:20:09.980 So we entered the mediation, and he showed up.

01:20:11.920 He flew all the way in from California.

01:20:13.840 He flew all the way in.

01:20:15.280 We talked to this retired judge.

01:20:16.580 I'm like, all right, this is whatever.

01:20:17.840 I said what I thought.

01:20:19.140 And then he went over to talk to Brian Friedman, who represented the other side.

01:20:22.660 He came back to us within 30 seconds.

01:20:25.840 And they hadn't moved at all, like nothing, not even a good faith movement, which is we both thought we were totally right.

01:20:32.900 And I'm like, well, what did he say?

01:20:35.060 And he goes, you know, basically telling us to pound sand.

01:20:38.420 And I'm like, well, what did you say?

01:20:41.880 And the mediator had said to him, like, what are you doing here then, Mr. Friedman?

01:20:46.740 And he said, I love to visit New York this time of year.

01:20:50.920 I just love New York. 0.99

01:20:52.400 I'm like, I want to kill him. 1.00

01:20:54.800 So that's Brian. 1.00

01:20:56.560 He doesn't care.

01:20:57.720 I don't think the mediation is going to pressure Brian into doing anything he doesn't think is in Justin's best interests.

01:21:04.020 And, you know, whenever I look at Blake Lively now, as she continues this self-immolating, all I can think is that line from, what's his name?

01:21:13.420 Jack Nicholson from A Few Good Men.

01:21:15.240 You effed with the wrong Marine.

01:21:17.780 You effed with the wrong Marine.

01:21:19.480 That's how I feel about Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni.

01:21:23.200 OK, let's keep going.

01:21:24.800 Let's do Kohlberger, Mark Eichlars, because this is this is a big one.

01:21:28.740 Um, the allegations that Dateline and Keith Morrison, as their lead reporter on it, broke this past Friday are just stunning.

01:21:37.540 And, uh, though I can't stand NBC, I like the crew at Dateline, so we're allowed to discuss them favorably.

01:21:42.720 Um, they got a lot of new exclusive details about this case as it barrels toward trial this summer.

01:21:49.460 First of all, um, they revealed that, this is disturbing, that Kohlberger allegedly, this is upsetting, carved the legs of Ethan Chapin.

01:22:04.660 They described this murder of these four Idaho college students back in November of 2023.

01:22:10.280 Um, I always stumble on whether it was 23 or 22, it's been so long now.

01:22:16.180 Um, 22, that he went, the allegation that Brian Kohlberger went, went to this house, that he was casing the house, that he went by the house multiple times that night, including multiple times in the 3 a.m. hour.

01:22:28.840 The murders happened in the 4 a.m. hour between like 4.06 and 4.19 a.m.

01:22:32.780 That he went in through the sliding door of the second floor, which we knew, which is sort of the ground floor, that he went right upstairs, that the main target was not Kaylee Gonsalves, which is what some of us previously believed and had been told, but was Maddie Mogan, who was in bed with Kaylee.

01:22:49.620 They were best friends and sleeping in the same bed, that it was Maddie Mogan, that, um, unfortunately Kaylee, who was there visiting, was collateral damage in the moment. 0.98

01:23:00.340 That he killed the two of them and that they believe that he then was spotted by Zana Kernodal, who was down one floor as he was leaving, that he went to kill her, did kill her in the hallway that they fought, that there was, she fought for her life.

01:23:18.860 That then Ethan Chapin was asleep and either slept through this, it was unclear to me exactly what the sequence was, but he then murdered Ethan Chapin with his knife and, quote, carved, and they make a point in the Dateline show of saying it was a carving.

01:23:35.240 This young man, this young man's legs, which is just beyond sick, then went to leave, bumped into the one surviving roommate, and she heard him say something to the effect of, don't worry, you'll be okay, and she just froze, he left, and immediately she and the other surviving roommate, who was down the hall or on a different floor, started texting.

01:23:58.780 They knew immediately something terrible had happened, it was apparent to those two roommates who lived like that.

01:24:05.080 They texted for the next couple of hours, and then the texting resumed, very strange sequence of events there.

01:24:10.380 But also pointing out that he had all these, like, bikini shots of girls around his campus and the Idaho campus on his phone, buxom girls in bikinis, was Googling Ted Bundy and stories about Ted Bundy, took a lookalike photo of himself looking like Ted Bundy, Mark.

01:24:32.880 I mean, we can get into some more of the details, but the case against him, just, it's even stronger than we knew.

01:24:40.980 It's colossal, and what you just described will be the words flowing from the prosecutor's lips to establish that this crime was especially cold, calculated, and premeditated, CCP, which is one of the aggravators.

01:24:55.580 The other one is, hack, heinous, atrocious, and cruel.

01:25:00.460 And that's why I predict that his attorneys will go to the nearest sports goods store and purchase knee pads and get down on their knees and beg for life as opposed to death.

01:25:12.940 Mm-hmm.

01:25:14.020 The, um, we'll go through some of it in more detail.

01:25:17.820 And let's be honest, we haven't heard as much from the defense.

01:25:20.760 Dateline didn't really play up how the defense is going to handle each of these.

01:25:24.040 Um, they did feature Howard Bloom, who's on this show a lot, who is very fair to the defense.

01:25:30.140 Not as fair as Brian's fans want him to be, but I think he's very fair.

01:25:33.260 But my point is simply, we haven't been given, like, a close-up preview of the defense and how they're going to argue all this.

01:25:38.580 Here's Keith Morrison on.

01:25:40.360 And in their defense, you know, each one of these search can be innocuous.

01:25:46.540 Searching Ted Bundy doesn't make you a serial killer.

01:25:49.160 And looking up certain things.

01:25:51.140 But when you put it all together, I mean, you know, again, he enjoys the presumption of innocence like anybody.

01:25:56.580 But there's only one picture that, uh, emerges.

01:26:00.680 Yeah.

01:26:01.280 I mean, it's not abnormal for young college-age men to have pictures of beautiful girls on their phone.

01:26:07.020 It's also not unusual after this crime happened for any American to Google Idaho murders, which they found him doing.

01:26:15.940 Like, that doesn't make you the killer.

01:26:17.420 I certainly did it.

01:26:18.300 Um, so, like, that, some of it is more innocuous, but, you know, some of it is.

01:26:23.920 Leaving your sheath, leaving your knife sheath with your DNA, that's problematic.

01:26:28.020 That's all I'm saying.

01:26:28.620 Yeah, deeply.

01:26:29.740 And we got more on the car footage, uh, his car on the night in question.

01:26:35.100 Here is SOT 27.

01:26:37.260 This video, obtained exclusively by Dateline, shows a white car on King Road in Moscow, Idaho, on November 13, 2022.

01:26:47.320 At the wheel, the state will allege, was Brian Kohlberger, making repeated passes near a house where, minutes later, four students were stabbed to death.

01:26:56.440 Okay, and then there's more.

01:26:57.800 They had on, um, an FBI profiler named Greg Cooper, who spoke to a little bit more about this.

01:27:04.700 Watch.

01:27:05.100 SOT 28.

01:27:05.580 That same week, the week after the killings, Kohlberger began viewing or saving on his phone photos, videos, and news updates about the murders.

01:27:15.060 He did that at least 60 times.

01:27:17.280 He was collecting everything, all the reporting about the incident.

01:27:20.840 It's very common.

01:27:21.980 He's been watching all these things.

01:27:24.480 And last but not least, um, the Ted Bundy thing.

01:27:27.340 Here's SOT 30.

01:27:27.960 In late December, six weeks after the murders of Matty Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zana Kurnodal, and Ethan Chapin, records show Kohlberger, the criminology student, was again on his phone playing a clip from a YouTube program called Ted Bundy, The Essence of a Psychopath.

01:27:45.760 My name is Ted Bundy.

01:27:46.800 Within 24 hours of that, two selfies.

01:27:50.780 Kohlberger dressed the same way Bundy is pictured on that program.

01:27:54.400 It's so creepy.

01:27:57.600 It's just so creepy.

01:27:59.240 Again, you can explain it away.

01:28:01.320 Every single fact doesn't mean that he's guilty of anything.

01:28:05.600 But you put it all together.

01:28:06.820 It's not only bad for the defense, but it's so creepy and disturbing.

01:28:12.240 Does that even come in, though, the fact that he was Googling Ted Bundy and took a lookalike picture of himself as Ted Bundy?

01:28:19.540 I'd want to I'd want to put that in.

01:28:21.560 Are you kidding me?

01:28:22.260 I think it goes to the weight and you let the jury decide how much weight, if any, you're going to give it.

01:28:27.840 You don't keep it out.

01:28:29.420 Well, what on what ground is it relevant?

01:28:31.640 He's interested.

01:28:32.460 A lot of people are interested in true crime and serial killers.

01:28:35.800 I mean, I can see the defense actually keeping this out.

01:28:37.980 I can see the defense not wanting it in for sure because it doesn't help them.

01:28:44.500 And I could see a judge saying, why should I exclude it?

01:28:47.440 If I'm doing a 403 balancing, is it more prejudicial than probative?

01:28:52.180 I don't know.

01:28:52.720 I think there's value to it.

01:28:53.920 I think you let the jury decide on this one.

01:28:56.680 It's not good.

01:28:58.220 OK, there's more weeks before the murders.

01:29:01.160 He searched for dozens of photos of female students from both Washington State and University of Idaho.

01:29:05.720 And pictures from some of these accounts were of friends or followers of the three female victims.

01:29:13.340 They don't allege that they were of those three female victims.

01:29:18.100 So that that's interesting.

01:29:19.860 He in late September 2022.

01:29:21.860 So this is two months before the murders.

01:29:24.280 He was a Ph.D. student at nearby Washington State University.

01:29:27.340 He searched terms such as sociopathic traits in college student and pornography containing keywords drugged and sleeping.

01:29:39.040 And, you know, Mark, as far as we know, there was no sexual assault.

01:29:41.960 I mean, honestly, I don't think there was time for sexual assault.

01:29:44.120 The murders took place in like over 12 minutes, 12 to like 18 minutes at the most.

01:29:49.140 And he killed four people.

01:29:50.360 But one does wonder if he's searching that, whether he had some other plan, you know, if he hadn't found Maddie Mogan in bed with another woman who he also had to kill.

01:30:02.520 Like what what was he planning in October 2022?

01:30:06.060 He's getting closer to the murders.

01:30:07.700 He searched.

01:30:08.820 Can psychopaths behave pro socially, which is very disturbing.

01:30:13.940 But the thing is, Mark, a lot of this, the defense is just going to say he was a Ph.D. student in criminology.

01:30:21.220 Of course, he was interested in Ted Bundy, the murders and questions about psychopaths and sociopaths.

01:30:27.780 Absolutely.

01:30:28.660 There's definitely going to be an explanation for every single thing, even the bizarre behavior of circling his vehicle around the crime scene.

01:30:37.380 You know, they're going to bring in as soon as they possibly can, although the judge has made it a little bit difficult, that he suffers from autism, albeit mild.

01:30:46.180 But maybe that's consistent with that type of behavior.

01:30:49.040 They're going to explain away all the bizarre behavior.

01:30:51.840 But, you know, just like you can explain away slurred speech, you can explain away bloodshot eyes.

01:30:56.120 You can explain somebody having difficulty driving.

01:30:58.800 When you put all the pieces of the puzzle together, you know, it equals DUI.

01:31:02.880 And in this case, it equals a really abhorrent offense.

01:31:05.520 The K-Bar knife, you mentioned that the knife sheath was left behind.

01:31:11.160 Dateline speculated that it may have, it may have like fallen out in a struggle.

01:31:16.920 It may have been in the context of that struggle that happened on the second floor.

01:31:20.380 But my understanding was that they found that with the first two victims on the third floor, Maddie and Kaylee.

01:31:25.780 So I'm not sure.

01:31:27.120 Now, it raised questions for me.

01:31:28.400 Was the knife sheath found underneath one of the two girls and their bodies?

01:31:33.840 Or was it down on the floor beneath them with Ethan and Zanna lost during a struggle?

01:31:39.120 We'll find out more this summer when we hear actual testimony as opposed to speculations.

01:31:43.740 But this was revealed prior to Dateline.

01:31:46.560 We found out that after the murders, he had searched on Amazon for another K-Bar knife, which is just shocking.

01:31:56.800 And Howard Bloom broke that news here on the show.

01:31:59.880 He talked to us about it.

01:32:02.240 And I asked him, do you think he was looking for a replacement knife sheath so that if the cops came, he's like, that's not mine.

01:32:09.680 And he said maybe or maybe he wanted to commit more murder and he had disposed of the murder weapon and it worked so well.

01:32:18.560 He was looking to do it again.

01:32:20.800 Here is a little bit from the Dateline special on that knife, SOT-29.

01:32:26.320 After the murders, investigators discovered a sheath from a K-Bar knife apparently left by the killer in one of the victim's beds.

01:32:33.380 DNA found on that sheath has been linked to Brian Kohlberger.

01:32:36.580 Dateline was the first to report that Kohlberger bought a K-Bar knife seven months before the murders.

01:32:43.020 And now we've obtained records showing that after the murders, Kohlberger was back on Amazon looking at K-Bars. 1.00

01:32:49.360 He even clicked buy now and began the checkout process before exiting.

01:32:55.480 Okay, so that last part is interesting that he clicked buy now because what Howard told us was that Ann Taylor, the lawyer, had initially suggested,

01:33:04.860 oh, that K-Bar knife thing only came up in his Amazon because, like, if they hear you mention knife in the context of a conversation, you know, they do targeted, targeted ads.

01:33:17.640 And so but if he clicked buy now, it's a different story.

01:33:21.560 Of course.

01:33:22.020 And of the defense, obviously, you're not just going to go, are you got us?

01:33:25.080 So there's going to be an argument.

01:33:26.080 Likely it's not going to be to challenge the, you know, the effectiveness of DNA.

01:33:31.060 They'll say, all right, it's his DNA on there.

01:33:33.080 But someone somewhere.

01:33:35.640 And again, don't kill the messenger.

01:33:37.000 Wanted to frame him like the Mona Lisa and somehow got a hold of of his DNA and somehow the sheath and and and put it there and and wanting to frame him.

01:33:47.000 Now, that would be a I don't know, an OK argument if there wasn't all this overwhelming other evidence supporting his guilt.

01:33:54.460 Well, what if you're the defense lawyer and you're thrilled that they did not find a murder weapon, right?

01:34:01.160 Somehow he did manage to get rid of the knife.

01:34:03.640 If, in fact, he did it, he denies doing it.

01:34:07.300 How damning is it that then of all the knives in the world, two days, 48 hours after the murders, he's online searching for the exact knife that happened to have been used in this quadruple homicide.

01:34:23.380 It is so bad and so overwhelming that, again, I think, how quickly can I get to the prosecutors and beg and plead with them to offer life and end this?

01:34:35.860 Well, do you think they'll take that?

01:34:38.180 So far, the reports are he doesn't want to plea.

01:34:40.120 There's absolutely no discussion of a plea.

01:34:41.420 And if anything, his lawyer is maybe planting the seeds for he and an argument that he's too incompetent to make this call.

01:34:49.840 He's to something wrong with him and that he should she should be able to allow to like trump him into negotiating a plea.

01:34:57.260 So so far, we don't believe there's going to be a plea because he doesn't want one.

01:35:00.120 I don't know where the prosecution stands.

01:35:01.300 But do you believe the prosecution would take a life plea in exchange for a trial when they have evidence this strong and they want the death penalty?

01:35:09.680 I don't know either.

01:35:10.820 First and foremost, you go to the family members and you ask, what do they want?

01:35:14.000 Right.

01:35:14.400 Because they deserve to be heard.

01:35:16.040 And I consider that not the end all be all, but a lot of weight should be given to their wishes.

01:35:22.120 You know, there's some finality to it.

01:35:23.860 He would love to have a big trial.

01:35:25.640 He would love to have his face go everywhere.

01:35:28.420 But you deny him that you say, all right, fine.

01:35:31.200 We'll consider giving you life.

01:35:32.520 And then you just go away and you don't appeal at all.

01:35:35.560 And that's it.

01:35:36.200 We're done.

01:35:37.100 You know, finally, Mark, there was reporting in the Dateline special that Kohlberger called his father's phone the morning after the murder.

01:35:45.460 It's like two hours after the murder, 6 a.m. in the 6 a.m. hour.

01:35:49.560 I mean, the bodies were still warm at that point.

01:35:51.480 It's like very early in that morning and had a long conversation with him between 30 and 60 minutes.

01:35:57.800 We think it was him.

01:35:58.960 They point out his phone could have been, you know, could have been somebody else in the house.

01:36:03.640 That, for the first time, raised for me the question of, are we looking at a, like a Gabby Petito situation where the Brian Laundrie, like he called his parents.

01:36:13.000 His parents knew.

01:36:14.800 That seems clear.

01:36:15.960 That's our opinion, that they knew.

01:36:18.180 But, like, for the first time, I started to have questions about whether this dad or somebody in his family received some sort of a confession from him or something that really gave them cause to believe he did it.

01:36:29.560 I don't know.

01:36:30.400 I'll defend him on that.

01:36:31.700 I don't know.

01:36:32.100 I think it's fair speculation, but I don't know that that's factually accurate.

01:36:36.140 Well, Mark, that's not additive.

01:36:38.080 Of course you don't know.

01:36:39.180 I don't know either.

01:36:40.100 I'm asking you to how that will be spun and argued in court.

01:36:44.140 Yeah, I think they'll argue it maybe the way you say, but I don't think they need to.

01:36:47.700 I don't think they need to get into arguments that are total speculative.

01:36:51.500 You just stick with what you got.

01:36:53.260 Stick to the facts and let go of those things like that where you really don't know what his intention was.

01:36:57.260 I feel like we have to get to the bottom of what the father knew and when he knew it.

01:37:02.240 And the rest of the family, too.

01:37:03.820 Howard Bloom, too, was reporting that Brian's sister started to suspect he did it and that the father may have as well, at least on that cross-country trip back home.

01:37:14.020 All right, Mark Arglars, thank you.

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