Buck Sexton, co-host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, joins the show to talk about his new son, a baby boy, and how he's handling being a new dad. Plus, explosive developments in the Diddy and Weinstein trials, and major new details in the Brian Kohlberger case.
00:03:47.740Only your wife is allowed to say those words when the baby is an infant, assuming she's breastfeeding and the one primarily getting up with the baby overnight.
00:03:55.540I remember looking at Doug saying, you can say that to your friends.
00:03:59.140You can go say that to your mom and your brothers and sister.
00:21:51.720I would add to this though, that in the case of Maddow, the Russia collusion thing, while not entirely successful for the left, it slowed him down in the first administration.
00:22:03.580You know, it, it was a, it was like an obstruction tactic.
00:22:06.500So the fact that they were lying about that to their, to their audience, I'm talking about if you're an MSNBC watcher, it's tell me more about Russia.
00:22:14.460Talk about how Trump and Putin were like, you know, taking Turkish baths together, like make up whatever you want.
00:22:19.720As long as it's hurting Trump, I'm in, you know, the problem they have in this case, in this story is Joe Biden's fine.
00:23:18.540But it is interesting to read these people coming out with the progressive levels of how bad it was.
00:23:24.800And I, you know, the more I read, the more I just think what I've been thinking, which is F these people, they should never be trusted again.
00:23:32.020There needs to be a federal investigation into how bad he was, whether he was competent while in the office and making the decisions and signing the executive orders and, you know, the pardons who was making the calls.
00:23:46.580We still don't know that we need subpoena power over his top aides who need to be forced under oath to tell us who was governing the country.
00:23:57.340That hasn't happened so far and it needs to.
00:24:10.400Okay, let's talk about, I know you're big on this subject and I find it fascinating too.
00:24:16.740Trump is going to bring, is bringing white Afrikaners from South Africa to the United States as refugees.
00:24:24.540We've had some, what's the number, like 59 arrive in the past day.
00:24:29.080And this is because in South Africa now they have turned on white people and decided that because of the history of villainous behavior there, that the current whites in South Africa must be punished, up to and including taking their land away from them and just giving it to black South African residents and citizens.
00:24:53.440So now Trump has said they can come here.
00:24:56.720Some, there's some 8,000 of them who want to leave.
00:24:59.040And so he's, he's not saying yes to everybody, but he's saying, we're going to take a look.
00:25:02.760They can come here as this is what a true refugee looks like, who is under threat because of his race of losing his property, his livelihood and potentially worse.
00:25:12.340I mean, claims of violence and threatened death.
00:25:14.800And, um, the, the first shipment of folks arrived yesterday and there they were literally standing there, waving American flags.
00:25:24.780Um, look this, I mean, I'm sorry, but like, they look like people who would like to assimilate.
00:25:30.560I'm very encouraged by their American flag shirts, their American flags that they're holding and waving and full of gratitude to president Trump and to this country for giving them a place to go after being persecuted for no reason other than the color of their skin.
00:25:47.880But now Buck, we've got the left saying, this has gone too fast.
00:25:52.940They're, they're allowing in these refugees too quickly without adequate investigation of who they are and whether they deserve to be here.
00:26:02.420We should have involved the UN say some of these Democrats and the hypocrisy is dripping, dripping from the sides of their mouths as they make these claims.
00:26:12.560Well, first of all, it's, it's just beyond parody that for four years of the Biden administration, you had 10 plus million illegals piling into the country, overwhelmingly claiming false asylum, right?
00:26:28.140I mean, these are people who there is absolutely no basis to believe that they really need asylum.
00:26:33.460They just come from generally poor, crappy countries, just the way it is.
00:26:37.780And they'd rather be in America, especially in America that gives them $400 a night hotel rooms in midtown Manhattan and gives them culturally sensitive meals and, you know, preloaded debit cards, right?
00:26:48.380Like that, that sounds better than wherever they come from.
00:26:53.140And this is, oh, but we're a nation of immigrants.
00:26:55.880We're not a nation of illegal immigrants, by the way.
00:26:57.920But that's a whole other part of the conversation.
00:26:59.540Now we have 50 people who come to this country legally, lawfully at the invitation of the executive branch of the president himself.
00:27:08.120And the media is completely freaked out.
00:27:09.680These are people who bring skills with them, particularly if they're Afrikaners who have a farming background, you know, a high level farming background.
00:27:16.960That means that they would be productive right away.
00:27:20.300And also people that speak English and love this place.
00:27:23.920They're not coming here because we're giant welfare, welfare camp or a soup kitchen.
00:27:28.260They're coming here because they love this place.
00:27:32.540Cuban Americans are some of the most patriotic Americans you'll ever see in your life.
00:27:36.120People that fled the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot in Cambodia, they love this country.
00:27:40.300Former Soviets, you get what I'm saying.
00:27:42.500People that have fled injustice and tyranny and come here lawfully love this place.
00:27:48.240Millions of people scammed the system under Biden.
00:27:50.520These people are actually coming here the right way.
00:27:52.660Here's why it's such a problem for the Democrats.
00:27:55.440I've been talking about this issue for years because what you really have in South Africa is an end state affirmative action country, if you will, where instead of just being this amorphous, which the Supreme Court just, of course, shut down.
00:28:12.360But this amorphous, like, well, we need to take these things into account.
00:28:15.680You have explicit quotas in South Africa.
00:28:18.560You have you must have, I think, 85 percent of your company must be black employees or must the managerial managerial set must be black.
00:28:28.140If you want to get certain loans, you have to actually be black or at least partner with somebody who is black.
00:28:33.700There's all of these rules and laws that explicitly disenfranchise the roughly seven percent of South Africa that is that is white.
00:28:44.720I mean, you can get it like Dutch East India Company comes around 1653.
00:28:48.440There are Dutch and Germans who are there.
00:28:49.840And then the English end up taking it over later.
00:28:52.040But point being, the seven percent of the country that is that is that is white has not only state sponsored disenfranchisement going on now, but there's also an unwillingness to to police and protect, particularly these farms that have been the subjects of clearly anti white violence of the most gruesome and horrific kind.
00:29:15.080And if you look next door to what happened in Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia, with Mugabe, who died some years back, but he was the dictator there, they had a land expropriation campaign.
00:29:27.600There's talk of that happening now in South Africa fully.
00:29:38.540It went from being the breadbasket of Africa to being a place that cannot cannot feed itself as a country and has inflation rates in the trillions of dollars.
00:29:47.560I mean, you can't even you know, no one can conceive of the numbers of inflation that happened in Zimbabwe, basically destroyed the country.
00:29:53.880And there's talk of doing that in South Africa.
00:29:56.040There's also rolling blackouts in the country.
00:29:58.680There's corruption that would make what happens in some parts of Latin America look like it was Switzerland.
00:30:03.920The place is a mess and there's still tremendous blame and resentment on the white.
00:30:13.800This, you know, earlier today where there's tremendous blame for the white people who live there.
00:30:17.820Like some of them are, you know, they're they were born after apartheid ended.
00:30:22.600Like, why are they being punished for this?
00:30:25.160And what it really goes to, Megan, is they cannot the Democrat leftist mind cannot conceive of a situation in which there is discrimination against white people.
00:30:37.160They believe racism is an ailment specific to white people and it is impossible for non-whites to be racist.
00:30:44.680And so this just this is an absolute circuitry breakdown for them mentally.
00:31:29.560Like, I've still been left behind, even at CNN, when I should have jumped ahead of others, alleging, I guess, that CNN is a bunch of racist, sexist pigs.
00:31:37.400But in any event, or I guess it was Obama, she was saying, like, under Obama, she didn't get ahead, notwithstanding the fact that she was clearly the most qualified woman in the room because she's a black woman with all this education.
00:31:47.820OK, well, maybe you're not that impressive.
00:32:05.680Thirty-five, 30-plus years ago, they went through a revolution, the apartheid system ended, and they reformed their constitution under the great leader of Nelson Mandela.
00:32:19.420And that allowed for a racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do.
00:32:25.340But South Africa did it, and they reformed their constitution.
00:32:28.200And part of that is that the people who are native to that land deserve their rightful land back.
00:32:33.840The constitution in South Africa is discriminatory.
00:32:36.820They have their checks and balances in that land, just like we do.
00:32:40.860And that is for them to, so if the Afrikaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country.
00:33:01.060What I am against is that they are being given special treatment when there is not a genocide happening in South Africa, and they just don't like the law of the land.
00:33:11.120Is there a genocide happening right now in Venezuela or Mexico?
00:33:16.300Because you really seem to love the immigrants who come from those countries, and not just those countries, but Bill Malugin, Fox's immigration reporter, he tweeted out, Buck, similar to what you were just saying.
00:33:26.800Did the media networks now criticizing a few dozen South Afrikaners coming to the U.S. legally as refugees have anything to say when Arizona was overrun with thousands of African aliens crossing illegally every day in December 2023?
00:33:41.640Because I sure didn't see them down there covering it.
00:33:45.040Oh, well, first of all, Bill does fantastic work.
00:33:47.760And second of all, on this, if you come to this country illegally from Haiti or from Ghana or from Bangladesh or wherever, the Democrats believe that you're as American as American can be day one.
00:34:10.500We should give you everything that you could possibly need, courtesy of the taxpayer, who, if they don't pay their taxes, they go to prison.
00:34:17.080We should give you everything you want.
00:34:18.560You should be open arms because there's a lot of reasons for this.
00:34:22.560But one of them is because of America's history of, you know, exploitation, colonialism and slavery.
00:34:26.620So whatever we have to do to help the non-white population of the world, the Democrat Party believes should be done via immigration.
00:34:34.760And yet when you have that woman from CNN, she's talking about they should go, meaning the Afrikaners, they should go back to where they came from.
00:34:42.160But they've been for 300 years in South Africa, 300 years.
00:34:49.620I mean, you know, I hate to break this to people.
00:34:51.640This is part of the of the massive ignorance of history that exists on the left.
00:34:55.080I mean, even the people that are supposed to like people that are involved in writing the 1619 project and people that you see.
00:35:00.140She's one of the highest educated, though, Buck.
00:35:15.160I see this and I see people who somehow have set up a double standard in their mind whereby it doesn't matter that South Africa is openly discriminating, discriminating against people based upon skin color because of what happened a long time ago.
00:35:31.900And I sit here and I say, hold on a second.
00:35:33.640I mean, the Dutch have been there for hundreds of years.
00:35:35.840The Zulu tribe, for example, which people say, well, I saw someone on Twitter like, why don't the Dutch learn how to or, you know, the Afrikaners learn how to speak Zulu?
00:35:42.980They were they came like 150 years after the Dutch arrived there.
00:35:48.080They were conquerors from neighboring tribes who showed up.
00:35:51.600This wasn't like they it was like the Dutch and the English took over like some Shangri-La here was like a well-functioning Jeffersonian democracy.
00:35:59.660It was a largely uninhabited piece of land.
00:36:04.020And at what point do you get to say that this is actually your homeland, too?
00:36:07.580Again, if you come here and you're not white and you illegally arrive here, you it is Megan.
00:36:13.620If you're an MS-13 gang member who's not supposed to be here as American as you and me and everybody listening, how dare you not give him like seven different court hearings or whatever.
00:36:23.280But the guys who have been living in South Africa, their generations, their families go back for six, seven, eight generations now, hundreds of years.
00:36:30.600They're supposed to go back to to Germany.
00:36:33.160And by the way, why is that not a racist comment that she says on that show?
00:36:54.500What is it about them, Ashley, that you find so objectionable?
00:36:58.420You know, when when normal law abiding Americans, including overwhelmingly Hispanics, objected to the waves of illegals coming in, mostly from South America, Latin America, you call them all racist.
00:37:32.840And what you see here is that the the left believes in intersectionality.
00:37:38.580They don't use the term very much anymore because it sounds too nerdy.
00:37:41.200But intersectionality is just different groups, if you will, racial groups in particular, but different groups within society are all constantly vying for dominance and power over each other.
00:37:53.360And that it's the role of the state to play this kind of arbiter that says, well, no, you need to be suppressed and you need to be elevated.
00:37:59.660This is antithetical to the most core American values and principles.
00:38:05.260This is antithetical to what we fought a very bloody civil war over and had to have constitutional amendments to clarify, which is that all men are created equal and we're all to be treated equally under the law.
00:38:20.260And what you see in South Africa is the problem, you know, the problems of the past are going to continuously be addressed into the future.
00:38:28.260And you're going to disenfranchise people, in this case, the Afrikaners, because of what their grandfathers did or their great grandfathers did.
00:38:36.680And you're going to say that a legal regime that discriminates based upon historical narrative is just why?
00:38:43.640Well, because it's black people doing it to white people.
00:38:46.040And, you know, you look at the reaction, you've got The New York Times literally saying this is going too fast.
00:38:52.500The refugee process often takes years, but only three months have passed from the time Trump signed this executive order.
00:38:59.360Time magazine refugees coming into the U.S. are typically vetted by the United Nations, which routinely refers people fleeing persecution and violence in their home country to safer countries like the U.S.
00:39:09.240The arrivals from South Africa were not vetted by that office.
00:39:12.000Because suddenly they're so concerned about the vetting and the speed of the arrival of the refugees.
00:39:20.860All right, wait, there's a lot to get there.
00:39:21.920So I got to switch now to the U.K., where there's a similar switcheroo happening with Keir Starmer, okay, who was completely in favor of open borders, just like the rest of his left wing party.
00:39:34.260There are statements after statement after statement by him.
00:39:38.080I'll just give you a montage of a few of how he's been sounding in the prior years to this one.
00:40:11.880I think we should welcome people wherever they come from, thank them for their contribution and see them as part of our families, our communities and our society and embrace that.
00:40:24.060The Labour Party has been a bit scared of making the positive case for immigration for quite a number of years.
00:40:28.280And I think we need to turn that around.
00:40:36.760Today, we publish a white paper on immigration.
00:40:39.740A strategy absolutely central to my plan for change that will finally take back control of our borders and close the book on a squalid chapter for our politics, our economy and our country.
00:41:23.000We've all been saying that for decades.
00:41:26.240And he and his party and their counterparts here in America have been challenging us, saying those kinds of statements are racist.
00:41:34.780Now this asshole finally realizes that he's been on the wrong side without doing a mea culpa, right?
00:41:40.440Just kind of comes out there like, gee, now it's gotten really bad.
00:41:43.580And by the way, Buck, it has gotten terrible over there.
00:41:46.720In recent years, the immigration numbers in the U.K. have, illegal immigration, have reached 906,000 in the year from June 2022 to June 2023.
00:42:01.080Back when David Cameron was prime minister in 2010, they were in a freakout about the fact that annual net immigration had exceeded 100,000.
00:42:37.260And in fact, you and I and many others predicted it for many years.
00:42:40.280As you pointed out, this was the most obvious thing in the world, taking people in in huge numbers who have, you know, isn't it interesting, Megan?
00:42:48.940You can finally say these things now and there's not this sense that you can just be shouted down and deplatformed everything and be called a racist.
00:42:57.360Having people who share your language and your culture and people who are going to bring something to the table and not be welfare cases.
00:43:06.920The entire mass immigration really tragedy of the last, call it, 25 years has been an abject disaster for Europe and for the West and for America.
00:43:22.620It's been a disaster for Canada and it's all based in lies.
00:43:26.800It's based in lies and the moral coercion of idiot mobs of leftists shouting at you.
00:43:48.660We've been led to believe that Canada has a point system for immigration and they're only going to take the best of the best.
00:43:53.680Somehow Canada's economy has stalled out.
00:43:56.280Their prices for housing is through the roof.
00:43:58.260They got a mess on their hands over there.
00:44:00.320And we look here in the United States and we've seen, does anyone really believe that the 10 million plus illegals who piled into this country under Biden are doing the jobs Americans want to?
00:44:09.880And by the way, even if they would, I don't want them here.
00:44:12.860They are illegal and they are going to be a massive net drain on the economy because they're going to have to get Obamacare and Medicaid.
00:44:20.800They're going to get state resources and all the rest of it.
00:44:22.920I mean, the fact that you have so many people who have come into the country in violation of our laws erodes each day the sovereignty of this place.
00:44:34.960This is not a giant refugee camp, which we saw in a place even like New York City.
00:44:39.660There were literal refugee camps that were popping up in places, but they're not even refugees.
00:44:44.460They're just skipping the immigration line.
00:44:46.700Over in Europe, they have had been so brainwashed with this woke nonsense.
00:44:50.820Meg, I'll tell you, I was actually with, when I was in the CIA, I spent time with the Swedish and Danish national police, counterterrorism police.
00:44:59.660Do you know what they were doing all of the time?
00:45:04.120Dealing with the terrorists who had fled from the Middle East, who were now using their countries as staging grounds for attacks in the West,
00:45:13.500for raising money to send back to terrorist groups back home.
00:45:17.200This was their full time job all the time.
00:45:19.500And I remember looking at them, thinking to myself, you guys brought them here.
00:46:39.460I mean, you know, last time I went to Scotland on vacation, there are women walking around all over the place in Edinburgh in beekeeper suits, you know, the full burka.
00:46:48.400I'm just like, you know, guys, this isn't going to end well.
00:46:51.040And I know we're not supposed to say this because, oh, no, all cultures are the same.
00:47:46.920I mean, what's really sad is it had to get to a truly dangerous, irreversible point before the Keir Starmer's of the world started paying attention.
00:47:55.640And I really think it's too late for them.
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00:52:20.280There's a very funny Modern Family episode where Mitchell is in court arguing and the person who's the sketch artist is somebody who he, like, dissed in a former life and just makes him look ridiculously bad.
00:52:32.300And his whole goal is to be drawn more favorably by the sketch artist.
00:52:36.080We have to rely on sketches because it's federal court and they don't allow cameras in federal court.
00:52:43.940I thought she made the only and best argument that's available to Diddy, which is he may be a bad person who you can't stand, whose sex life is bizarre and offensive to you.
00:52:55.840But that doesn't make him a criminal under the RICO acts.
00:53:01.560And you can't confuse your disgust for his personal choices as a human with seeing him as a violator of the criminal law.
00:53:45.000Here's what she these are highlights from her opening as reported on the Law and Crime podcast.
00:53:50.940First of all, they keep calling him Sean, not P. Diddy, not Puff Daddy, just Sean.
00:53:56.080He was wearing a gray sweater in court yesterday, just like a little, you know, Catholic school boy and actually was seen reading the Bible before the.
00:54:23.200By the way, Megan, sitting in the courtroom, the only time I saw jurors actually laugh during both the government and the defense openings was when she made that little kind of snide remark about the baby oil.
00:55:24.240Like, we know you don't like our defendant and we know he seems like a terrible man to you.
00:55:29.460But being a terrible man morally is not the same as committing a crime.
00:55:33.100And in both cases, both Diddy and Weinstein, you had women claiming that they were abused or raped or mistreated who kept coming back over and over and over in some cases for years.
00:55:46.680And I think that it may be hard, Garagos, for some jurors to get past that, you know, to like you can understand if a man rapes a woman and she runs to the police, it's much harder to get your arms around why she would have a years long relationship with this person.
00:56:06.360And that's that's an issue in both of these big trials.
00:56:09.220You know, obviously, I've known I've known Sean forever.
00:56:13.140I've represented him for for years, actually currently represent his mother in a unrelated action.
00:56:20.040I will tell you one of the things as I'm sitting there and it's obviously full disclosure, I'm watching my daughter and I'm watching people that I know.
00:56:29.500But one of the things to me that was most stunning about this case is if you've been listening to all the noise running up to this case, if you've been listening to everything,
00:56:40.460if you're on Twitter and you have a feed or X, if you have a feed Instagram, you assumed so many other things were at play in this case.
00:56:50.940And when you get up there and you listen, actually listen to the opening arguments and realize that what we're talking about, what this case is now boiled down to is two long term ex-girlfriends and one employee.
00:57:07.180That's who the gravamen of the four or five counts, depending on how they're going to reframe this now that the third so-called accuser is not going to be called.
00:57:39.520By the way, by the way, Megan, how how often is it that as a lawyer you've ever been sitting in the audience, had somebody tap you on your shoulder and say you're going to the principal's office?
00:59:15.920Well, let me just tell the audience first what the controversy is, even though, sadly, we're both on Garagos' side on this particular controversy, because it would be much more fun if we could beat down on him.
00:59:23.720So the Judge Supermanian called you in there, again, even though you're not a lawyer in this case.
00:59:29.320You're the father of a lawyer in this case.
00:59:30.860And obviously it seems you're consulting.
00:59:32.740But and he says to you, according to I don't know the source from this article I'm reading from.
00:59:38.860Oh, NBC News that in your chamber, in his chambers, he'd be listening and watching you to make sure that you don't say anything else that can interfere with a fair trial.
01:00:20.480And I said, well, as long as you subscribe, and that's where the transcript ended.
01:00:24.740So I, I did not mean to be flip, but I'm a little, the, the optics of this case, I will tell you, watching the jury selection and everything else, the optics of this case are kind of bizarre to me.
01:00:43.420And, and, and somebody had reported yesterday.
01:00:47.140So I'm going to repeat what was reported yesterday.
01:00:50.680You, we've already discussed what the prosecution looks like.
01:00:54.680The prosecution is being brought by the civil rights division of the department of justice.
01:01:05.680And yesterday the government exercised peremptories out of their nine peremptories.
01:01:11.580Their first seven of those nine, or at least seven of those nine were against the blacks.
01:01:18.220So the optics here to me, and by the way, I didn't know they were going to do that when I, when that, when we had that discussion, but I don't know why.
01:01:27.840I mean, Mark, what was the race of, of the, what's Cassie's race?
01:01:31.960What's the race of this, uh, this guy who claims he was a sex worker brought in there.
01:01:46.100Um, here, I hear you on the, on the defenses, but I have to say this.
01:01:50.940So he's been charged with racketeering, sex trafficking, transportation to engage in prostitution.
01:01:56.280These are very high bars, racketeering, sex trafficking and transportation to engage in prostitution.
01:02:02.740Now, Mark, I think Mark Eiglarsch, now we're in business.
01:02:06.820Now I'm liking the prosecution's case better than on the Rico count because the defense was saying yesterday with respect to, cause there was testimony from one of the sex workers.
01:02:15.940And repeat, like this guy, this guy is a witness in the case and his name is Daniel Phillips, Phillip.
01:02:25.120The first was, um, a security guard at the Intercontinental who was there in the aftermath of that beating where, where Sean Combs did beat down Cassie.
01:02:35.080He's a pig and I can't fucking stand him, but I'm open-minded to him not being a criminal, just saying in the way alleged here.
01:02:42.240Daniel Phillip was witness number two, a male dancer who said he received money repeatedly from Cassie, the woman who was beaten on that tape, to have sex with her in front of, uh, Diddy at the Gramercy Park Hotel, that she opened the door in a red wig, that there was a man already there.
01:02:57.700She claimed was her husband, said he would just watch them.
01:03:01.560The man had a bandana over his face and was wearing a hat.
01:03:15.900Daniel was, Diddy watched and pleasured himself, baby oil all over each other.
01:03:19.460Diddy complained, not enough baby oil.
01:03:20.980He was obsessed with the baby oil, um, that Diddy's daughters, again, this is per long crime, left the room.
01:03:27.700The courtroom, when this testimony is being given, they didn't want to hear this about their father.
01:03:31.160His son stayed, that no sexual protection was used, that Cassie, um, messaged him after the fact for, forgive me, but a dick pic, um, that it happened multiple times over 2013 and 2014.
01:03:42.980He saw Diddy physically abusing Cassie, or at least heard him slapping her behind closed doors at doors.
01:03:48.720Diddy, um, would direct the sex saying, slow down, you know, finish off, if you will, here or there on her body.
01:03:55.400Diddy, Cassie wanted him to urinate on, on her.
01:03:58.540And then I saw another report saying Diddy instructed him to urinate in her mouth.
01:04:03.880Forgive me, this is very tawdry stuff.
01:04:06.540Um, and then Diddy would be pleasuring himself to it, that they wanted a copy of Daniel's driver's license.
01:04:12.220And therefore he felt threatened or like Diddy could come back to hurt him, that he urged Cassie to leave Diddy, um, saying that, you know, he's going to hurt you.
01:04:20.140So you're, this is, uh, I tried to explain to her, she was in real danger if she stayed.
01:04:26.840And the reason I'm going to UI gloss on this is that the defense to this seems to be he was paying these sex workers, like Daniel, and there'll be others who claim that they were paid.
01:04:35.700I think, well, there have been in the press, we'll see whether they actually call him, that he was paying sex workers, not for sex, but for their, and I quote, time and experience.
01:04:48.200Um, that it was not transportation to engage in prostitution so much as I guess, to gain their expertise as sex workers to like advise, I guess, on how it can be done in the most, most filthy offensive ways possible thoughts on all that.
01:05:08.380Okay. Well, if it's believed, then that's a pretty good defense. Why would it be believed? Cause it's bizarre enough, like everything else they're going to hear. This is not reality as they would consider reality. The reality to Diddy is a completely different world. So if his defense is a little off, a little bizarre, um, yeah, that would be fair and consistent.
01:05:32.400Most of the things you just read, by the way, are, are things that, that can be overcome by arguing consent. Everybody's playing along.
01:05:40.760No, not the prostitution, not the prostitution, Mark. Not, not that, not transportation to engage in prostitution.
01:05:47.840I'm not so sure about that, Megan, because they're arguing consent, Megan. Everybody's involved. Everybody's okay.
01:05:54.380What do you mean? The hooker's always involved and okay with it. She always consents.
01:05:58.720Yeah. But the, the, the, when you take a look at the statute and you interpret the statute, what you're doing here is you're actually trying to turn it on its head.
01:06:10.140It's designed for the so-called way I'm old enough to remember when you used to call this pimping and pandering the, this is designed for the pimp.
01:06:20.260It's not designed for the John and that's where they've turned it on its head.
01:06:24.920That's why the elements don't make all that much sense when it's applied here.
01:06:29.180And I think you're going to see that when you get the jury instructions.
01:06:32.820How is it not, how is he not the pimp in this scenario where he's paying this guy, Daniel, to come into the room at the Gramercy Park Hotel and have sex with Cassie in front of him?
01:06:45.280Well, if you were to, if you go on to the back of one of the newspapers, this also betrays my age, and you get, you call somebody to come to your location.
01:07:00.560The prosecutor does not charge you as the person who, who goes and acquires the escort to come to you.
01:07:08.980They don't charge you with pimping or pandering.
01:07:11.720They charge you as prostitution or the person who is acquiring the prostitute or the sex.
01:07:19.300That's the way traditionally this has been applied.
01:07:22.520This is a whole new, you know, special Diddy exception, if you will, to the statute.
01:07:27.940How is it lawful, Mark Eiglarsh, for Diddy, in this alleged scenario, to be hiring sex workers over the course of years and, in some cases, transporting them to his location to have sex with Cassie or other women right in front of him?
01:09:19.500Okay, let's keep going because the—there's a lot of other things to talk about.
01:09:23.860Let's do Menendez next because that's another one—that's another Garagos case I can't keep up.
01:09:29.080And not just Garagos, but my lawyer and friend Brian Friedman is now involved in trying to get your two clients out of jail on any number of ways.
01:09:41.480Like, there's a—there's a few different ways now where you might be able to get them out.
01:09:45.100Because what originally happened was the old, the outgoing Gascon attorney said,
01:09:49.560you know what, I'm gonna—I want to take another look at whether these guys should be held.
01:09:56.560Like, maybe we need to take a fresh look at this case.
01:09:58.460And it was clearly a ploy to stay in office.
01:10:50.280As it turns out, Brian had discovered that he had engaged a crisis management firm that arguably had been doing a social media campaign against the brothers.
01:11:03.700And then I said, well, if that's true—and I said this on the record to the judge—I then did some Googling,
01:11:09.240and it turns out that Mr. Hochman, when he was in private practice, he and his father, who were very accomplished tax defense lawyers in Los Angeles,
01:11:20.640had represented Jose's ex-business partner in a tax dispute regarding a transaction that took place months after Jose was killed.
01:11:31.440And so this whole kind of Jose rehab tour, that reputation rehab tour that Hochman has been on, all of a sudden comes into focus.
01:11:41.680Now you say, well, why didn't we pursue that?
01:11:43.960I want—and as we're taping this, Megan, I'm about to cut you off and say goodbye to my friend Mark because I've got to get to court.
01:11:52.220I don't want to delay the resentencing.
01:12:57.040And the third is a habeas corpus petition filed by you guys claiming that there's new evidence unearthed about the sexual abuse by Jose Menendez.
01:13:07.760And we've discussed some of that in the past, like the Menudo singer who said he molested me and so on.
01:13:14.900So which one is your best path here, Mark?
01:13:18.220Which one is the most active and most likely to get him out?
01:13:29.700So I wanted to ask Mark, and I say this with love and friendship, those who have challenges with them getting out primarily point to their mother.
01:13:41.120And, you know, why did she need to be killed?
01:13:43.640And that just complicates the whole thing.
01:13:46.060And I'm wondering what your response is.
01:13:47.580My response is that the focus of the statute is the 35 years since the crime.
01:13:55.720And one of the things that I've been so frustrated by is the current DA's conflation of that issue that Mark talks about with what the statute says.
01:14:06.800The statute says basically minimizes looking at the crime and maximizes what have you done since then.
01:14:13.420Now, to answer your question more fundamentally or on the merits, far be it for me to be the one who kind of seizes the moral high ground on Kitty, I have sat numerous times—I put her under oath in this courtroom in November, and I put her under oath a year—more than a year ago in what's called a conditional exam—with Joan, her older sister, who describes herself.
01:14:39.220Look, I was not only Kitty's older sister, I was eight years older than her, and I kind of was a surrogate mother to her, to Kitty as well.
01:14:47.440I loved her more than you can love your own child, and I have forgiven them, and I want them out before I die.
01:14:56.420That is one of my fondest wishes in this case, is to get them out so they can get out, so they can hug Joan.
01:15:02.840So I could get into a detailed explanation as to all of the facts of the crime.
01:15:09.860We don't have enough time, but I will tell you, far be it for me to put myself in shoes other than where Kitty's own sister has said, please, please, judge, let them out.
01:15:21.400Okay. There's a lot more to get to. I want to do quickly a fast one, which is the Blake Lively-Justin Baldoni case, which is being handled for Baldoni by our friend Brian Friedman.
01:15:32.860And he has just dropped a subpoena on Taylor Swift, saying she needs to participate in this trial because she was alleged to have been at this meeting at Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds' New York City penthouse, where they discussed a scene that Blake had rewritten.
01:16:00.380Justin has said that the meeting got very heated and that he felt ambushed because Blake's husband, Ryan Reynolds, was there, and then Taylor Swift showed up.
01:16:09.940Not to mention, Blake also sent Justin a text message claiming Taylor Swift was her dragon and Blake Lively was Khaleesi.
01:16:19.840And so to me, I'm not surprised at all. I mean, I'm biased towards Brian, I admit, but I actually don't find this surprising at all.
01:16:27.220I think most lawyers would subpoena a witness to this critical meeting and the fact that she's Taylor Swift doesn't allow her to be treated any differently from somebody who is named Barbara or Taylor, I guess, Taylor Smith instead of Taylor Swift.
01:16:48.060Well, look, I readily concede, as you do, Brian is probably one of my closest friends in the world.
01:16:54.840Having said that, and it seems like every case we have this time, there's some connection, but the fact is that when somebody says, and I saw this yesterday, I don't know if it was Taylor or her people, saying, we just licensed the song, 19 other people have licensed the song.
01:17:13.400Well, excuse me, if you're a percipient witness to a meeting that is essential to the allegations in a case, I understand that it's a pain in the ass.
01:17:26.680I understand that you don't want to be involved and you want to get dragged into it.
01:17:30.580But the fact is, you're a percipient witness, and that's what litigation is all about.
01:17:35.260Do they care, Eiglarsh, that it's one of the biggest stars in the world?
01:17:40.140Will the judge factor that in when deciding whether or not she should be forced to testify in this case?
01:20:57.720I don't think the mediation is going to pressure Brian into doing anything he doesn't think is in Justin's best interests.
01:21:04.020And, you know, whenever I look at Blake Lively now, as she continues this self-immolating, all I can think is that line from, what's his name?
01:21:24.800Let's do Kohlberger, Mark Eichlars, because this is this is a big one.
01:21:28.740Um, the allegations that Dateline and Keith Morrison, as their lead reporter on it, broke this past Friday are just stunning.
01:21:37.540And, uh, though I can't stand NBC, I like the crew at Dateline, so we're allowed to discuss them favorably.
01:21:42.720Um, they got a lot of new exclusive details about this case as it barrels toward trial this summer.
01:21:49.460First of all, um, they revealed that, this is disturbing, that Kohlberger allegedly, this is upsetting, carved the legs of Ethan Chapin.
01:22:04.660They described this murder of these four Idaho college students back in November of 2023.
01:22:10.280Um, I always stumble on whether it was 23 or 22, it's been so long now.
01:22:16.180Um, 22, that he went, the allegation that Brian Kohlberger went, went to this house, that he was casing the house, that he went by the house multiple times that night, including multiple times in the 3 a.m. hour.
01:22:28.840The murders happened in the 4 a.m. hour between like 4.06 and 4.19 a.m.
01:22:32.780That he went in through the sliding door of the second floor, which we knew, which is sort of the ground floor, that he went right upstairs, that the main target was not Kaylee Gonsalves, which is what some of us previously believed and had been told, but was Maddie Mogan, who was in bed with Kaylee.
01:22:49.620They were best friends and sleeping in the same bed, that it was Maddie Mogan, that, um, unfortunately Kaylee, who was there visiting, was collateral damage in the moment.
01:23:00.340That he killed the two of them and that they believe that he then was spotted by Zana Kernodal, who was down one floor as he was leaving, that he went to kill her, did kill her in the hallway that they fought, that there was, she fought for her life.
01:23:18.860That then Ethan Chapin was asleep and either slept through this, it was unclear to me exactly what the sequence was, but he then murdered Ethan Chapin with his knife and, quote, carved, and they make a point in the Dateline show of saying it was a carving.
01:23:35.240This young man, this young man's legs, which is just beyond sick, then went to leave, bumped into the one surviving roommate, and she heard him say something to the effect of, don't worry, you'll be okay, and she just froze, he left, and immediately she and the other surviving roommate, who was down the hall or on a different floor, started texting.
01:23:58.780They knew immediately something terrible had happened, it was apparent to those two roommates who lived like that.
01:24:05.080They texted for the next couple of hours, and then the texting resumed, very strange sequence of events there.
01:24:10.380But also pointing out that he had all these, like, bikini shots of girls around his campus and the Idaho campus on his phone, buxom girls in bikinis, was Googling Ted Bundy and stories about Ted Bundy, took a lookalike photo of himself looking like Ted Bundy, Mark.
01:24:32.880I mean, we can get into some more of the details, but the case against him, just, it's even stronger than we knew.
01:24:40.980It's colossal, and what you just described will be the words flowing from the prosecutor's lips to establish that this crime was especially cold, calculated, and premeditated, CCP, which is one of the aggravators.
01:24:55.580The other one is, hack, heinous, atrocious, and cruel.
01:25:00.460And that's why I predict that his attorneys will go to the nearest sports goods store and purchase knee pads and get down on their knees and beg for life as opposed to death.
01:26:37.260This video, obtained exclusively by Dateline, shows a white car on King Road in Moscow, Idaho, on November 13, 2022.
01:26:47.320At the wheel, the state will allege, was Brian Kohlberger, making repeated passes near a house where, minutes later, four students were stabbed to death.
01:27:05.580That same week, the week after the killings, Kohlberger began viewing or saving on his phone photos, videos, and news updates about the murders.
01:27:27.960In late December, six weeks after the murders of Matty Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zana Kurnodal, and Ethan Chapin, records show Kohlberger, the criminology student, was again on his phone playing a clip from a YouTube program called Ted Bundy, The Essence of a Psychopath.
01:29:50.360But one does wonder if he's searching that, whether he had some other plan, you know, if he hadn't found Maddie Mogan in bed with another woman who he also had to kill.
01:30:02.520Like what what was he planning in October 2022?
01:30:28.660There's definitely going to be an explanation for every single thing, even the bizarre behavior of circling his vehicle around the crime scene.
01:30:37.380You know, they're going to bring in as soon as they possibly can, although the judge has made it a little bit difficult, that he suffers from autism, albeit mild.
01:30:46.180But maybe that's consistent with that type of behavior.
01:30:49.040They're going to explain away all the bizarre behavior.
01:30:51.840But, you know, just like you can explain away slurred speech, you can explain away bloodshot eyes.
01:30:56.120You can explain somebody having difficulty driving.
01:30:58.800When you put all the pieces of the puzzle together, you know, it equals DUI.
01:31:02.880And in this case, it equals a really abhorrent offense.
01:31:05.520The K-Bar knife, you mentioned that the knife sheath was left behind.
01:31:11.160Dateline speculated that it may have, it may have like fallen out in a struggle.
01:31:16.920It may have been in the context of that struggle that happened on the second floor.
01:31:20.380But my understanding was that they found that with the first two victims on the third floor, Maddie and Kaylee.
01:32:20.800Here is a little bit from the Dateline special on that knife, SOT-29.
01:32:26.320After the murders, investigators discovered a sheath from a K-Bar knife apparently left by the killer in one of the victim's beds.
01:32:33.380DNA found on that sheath has been linked to Brian Kohlberger.
01:32:36.580Dateline was the first to report that Kohlberger bought a K-Bar knife seven months before the murders.
01:32:43.020And now we've obtained records showing that after the murders, Kohlberger was back on Amazon looking at K-Bars.
01:32:49.360He even clicked buy now and began the checkout process before exiting.
01:32:55.480Okay, so that last part is interesting that he clicked buy now because what Howard told us was that Ann Taylor, the lawyer, had initially suggested,
01:33:04.860oh, that K-Bar knife thing only came up in his Amazon because, like, if they hear you mention knife in the context of a conversation, you know, they do targeted, targeted ads.
01:33:17.640And so but if he clicked buy now, it's a different story.
01:33:37.000Wanted to frame him like the Mona Lisa and somehow got a hold of of his DNA and somehow the sheath and and and put it there and and wanting to frame him.
01:33:47.000Now, that would be a I don't know, an OK argument if there wasn't all this overwhelming other evidence supporting his guilt.
01:33:54.460Well, what if you're the defense lawyer and you're thrilled that they did not find a murder weapon, right?
01:34:01.160Somehow he did manage to get rid of the knife.
01:34:03.640If, in fact, he did it, he denies doing it.
01:34:07.300How damning is it that then of all the knives in the world, two days, 48 hours after the murders, he's online searching for the exact knife that happened to have been used in this quadruple homicide.
01:34:23.380It is so bad and so overwhelming that, again, I think, how quickly can I get to the prosecutors and beg and plead with them to offer life and end this?
01:34:38.180So far, the reports are he doesn't want to plea.
01:34:40.120There's absolutely no discussion of a plea.
01:34:41.420And if anything, his lawyer is maybe planting the seeds for he and an argument that he's too incompetent to make this call.
01:34:49.840He's to something wrong with him and that he should she should be able to allow to like trump him into negotiating a plea.
01:34:57.260So so far, we don't believe there's going to be a plea because he doesn't want one.
01:35:00.120I don't know where the prosecution stands.
01:35:01.300But do you believe the prosecution would take a life plea in exchange for a trial when they have evidence this strong and they want the death penalty?
01:35:37.100You know, finally, Mark, there was reporting in the Dateline special that Kohlberger called his father's phone the morning after the murder.
01:35:45.460It's like two hours after the murder, 6 a.m. in the 6 a.m. hour.
01:35:49.560I mean, the bodies were still warm at that point.
01:35:51.480It's like very early in that morning and had a long conversation with him between 30 and 60 minutes.
01:35:58.960They point out his phone could have been, you know, could have been somebody else in the house.
01:36:03.640That, for the first time, raised for me the question of, are we looking at a, like a Gabby Petito situation where the Brian Laundrie, like he called his parents.
01:36:18.180But, like, for the first time, I started to have questions about whether this dad or somebody in his family received some sort of a confession from him or something that really gave them cause to believe he did it.
01:37:03.820Howard Bloom, too, was reporting that Brian's sister started to suspect he did it and that the father may have as well, at least on that cross-country trip back home.