The Megyn Kelly Show - Shocking Allegations Against Megastar Diddy - Will He Be Arrested After Raids？ With Jesse Weber ｜ Ep. 793

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and our Thursday morning special.

00:00:17.060 We've touched in the past on the story of Sean Combs, aka Diddy, and his mountain of legal troubles over the past month or two.

00:00:24.120 We saw the feds raiding his homes. No arrest of Diddy since then, but we are waiting to see whether there will be one.

00:00:32.640 And then yesterday, he shared a mysterious post online, a cryptic message on social media that reads as follows.

00:00:43.620 Time tells truth. His picture is captioned love and accompanied by various emojis, including a black heart.

00:00:53.240 So what does that mean? Time tells truth. And what kind of trouble is he in?

00:01:01.340 Somebody who I have come to trust and listen to on a lot of legal cases, but especially this one, he's been following this very closely,

00:01:08.260 is attorney and host of the Law and Crime Network's Sidebar, Jesse Weber.

00:01:15.260 Jesse, great to have you.

00:01:16.540 Megan, thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be on with you. I've been a big fan for a long time.

00:01:21.220 I don't think we've been on together, so it's a pleasure to be able to do it.

00:01:26.080 And I knocked my headphones out as I did it. That's how excited I was as I did it.

00:01:30.500 No worries. Thank you very much. I do enjoy Sidebar.

00:01:34.580 It's a good quick update on the legal cases of our day, and I find your questions and analysis always very sound.

00:01:41.680 I appreciate that.

00:01:42.060 In this case, there was like a two-week period where every day I went to Law and Crime, and it was like,

00:01:46.400 Diddy, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy, Diddy. So I do think you've become a bit of an expert in what's happening with him.

00:01:51.740 You know what's interesting about that you say that? We were into this Diddy story before the rates,

00:01:57.960 and so we were following all of these lawsuits that were happening since early, late to 2023.

00:02:03.240 And I did literally a breakdown of one of the lawsuits. No sound, literally me on camera going

00:02:09.820 through the lawsuit. I said, Do you think there's going to be any interest in this? We put it.

00:02:13.380 I had like a million views in a week. People were so fascinated with trying to understand what exactly

00:02:20.100 is going on here, what's being alleged. So there's a fascination here,

00:02:23.980 and clearly people want answers as to what's going on.

00:02:26.260 All right. So I'm not going to say start at the beginning, because we don't need to go back to

00:02:30.620 birth. But can you start at the beginning of his most recent legal troubles and set the scene for

00:02:36.980 us? And then we'll just go through how they began to escalate. Right. So everybody knows that Sean

00:02:41.380 Combs has been in the entertainment industry for decades. People have seen movies he's been in,

00:02:46.620 music he's been a part of. He's a juggernaut. He's a juggernaut. There's no other way to explain it.

00:02:51.360 He's a purported billionaire. Now, we know that he got into legal trouble back in the day. I mean,

00:02:56.260 there was the infamous 1999 nightclub shooting that he and Jennifer Lopez were involved with.

00:03:02.700 Significantly, I should tell you, he was brought up on charges, gun possession, bribery. He wasn't

00:03:07.720 charged with attempted murder, but he was brought up on gun charges. Because a woman got shot in the

00:03:12.180 face. Yes. A woman got shot in the face. She's actually recently come out and said she would have

00:03:17.520 the bullet removed to further prove that he was the shooter. He was acquitted of those charges. He was

00:03:23.580 infamously represented by Ben Brafman and Johnny Cochran back in the day. And a little side note

00:03:28.220 about that, by the way, Megan, I think it's really interesting. She says she would want the bullet

00:03:32.160 removed because she feels that he wasn't charged properly. If he was acquitted of gun possession

00:03:38.640 charges, I'm not really sure how you could then try him for attempted murder or reckless endangerment.

00:03:46.700 If he was acquitted of having the gun, I don't know how you try him for shooting the gun,

00:03:50.720 but that's a separate question. Standby, because we actually have her on camera. Let's take a

00:03:54.000 listen to her. Natanya Rubin. I'm willing to have a doctor remove a part of the nine millimeter 0.50

00:04:01.680 bullet in my face so that they can use it as evidence if need be for this trial.

00:04:06.160 You are. You would be willing to do that now?

00:04:08.540 I'm willing to do. Oh my gosh.

00:04:10.760 So what do they have to say to that? Oh boy. Has she been claiming since the beginning that

00:04:16.700 Diddy is the one who shot her in the face? She testified at trial that that was what happened.

00:04:21.460 She said that she saw two muzzle flashes. So one allegedly held by Sean Combs, one of the guns

00:04:27.940 being held by Combs, and then another by this individual named Shine. Now we know that Shine

00:04:32.180 was actually convicted and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. The reason we're having this

00:04:37.460 conversation before we move on about we're talking so much about the 1999 nightclub shooting

00:04:41.440 is it's referenced in one of the major lawsuits that Combs is facing and it's being brought to

00:04:46.720 the forefront. And there's this allegation that Combs confessed to one of the people that's suing

00:04:52.900 him. Yeah, I was really part of the shooting and I had Shine take the fall from me. So that's why

00:04:56.880 people are talking about it. Now she actually settled a civil lawsuit with Sean Combs. I'm not

00:05:02.840 exactly sure if she, by the way, not recommending she get the bullet removed, but even if she were to do

00:05:08.280 that, what evidentiary value that would have. Are they going to retry him? They can't retry him on

00:05:14.920 the charges he was acquitted. Are they going to bring attempted murder charges? Is she going to

00:05:18.120 be part of this new civil lawsuit? She's not going to file another lawsuit against them because they 1.00

00:05:21.900 settled. So you put that to a side, not sure where that's going to go. We know that over the years

00:05:25.780 there have been allegations of violence. There's been East Coast, West Coast. Sean Combs had actually

00:05:32.340 pled guilty to a lesser charge regarding an assault of one of the people that he worked with.

00:05:36.900 But then you really fast forward to November, 2023, because that's when everything happened.

00:05:40.940 We had a lawsuit filed by Diddy's ex-girlfriend, Cassandra Ventura, Cassie, and it's bombshell.

00:05:48.500 It alleges when I say sexual assault and abuse and sexual slavery and sex trafficking,

00:05:56.380 it's not doing justice to what I read in that complaint. What she accuses him of is basically

00:06:02.100 against her will, forcing her into these sexual situations that I can't, I'm not going to repeat

00:06:06.880 to you. And it's a bombshell lawsuit. She is suing him for everything. And then she settles with him

00:06:12.400 the day after. Now, when I said to myself, I said, you know, that's not uncommon. Sometimes that happens.

00:06:18.460 Do you really want to go through a litigation? Do you want to go through a full case like that?

00:06:22.860 But the fact that it's settled the next day after such strong language in that lawsuit,

00:06:27.580 and when they settled the lawsuit, she didn't say this, you know, this clears Diddy. He said this

00:06:33.520 doesn't clear anything. It was just, we've decided to resolve this amicably. As these raids have

00:06:39.040 happened, I've always been of the opinion that she may be a key witness who is cooperating with law

00:06:44.260 enforcement because of that. Yeah, because for the record, you can sign a settlement agreement in a

00:06:48.980 civil lawsuit or an employment matter for that matter. And that doesn't preclude you from telling all to

00:06:56.000 the feds. Absolutely. You can't. It's against the law. You can't sign some sort of settlement agreement

00:07:01.160 or an NDA that says you can't cooperate with law enforcement in an ongoing investigation. So that's

00:07:06.640 what started it. And the first, when we read the lawsuit, we saw the settlement. One of the reasons

00:07:11.160 that celebrities would settle is because they don't want the floodgates to, well, actually, I should say

00:07:16.000 one of the reasons they don't settle is they don't want the floodgates to come open. Well, he settles.

00:07:19.280 And after that, we saw lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit against Sean Combs, sexual assault,

00:07:26.180 rape, sex trafficking. And one of the most bombshell lawsuits is filed by his former producer named

00:07:31.860 Rodney Littlerod Jones, where he claims that he was sexually abused and harassed by Diddy, that he was

00:07:37.900 forced into sex trafficking, forced to recruit sex workers. He alleged violence, illegal gun possession,

00:07:44.320 illegal narcotics possession. In one of the lawsuits, it was alleged that Diddy blew up

00:07:49.280 rapper Kid Cudi's car. So he's facing all of these lawsuits. And then a few months ago,

00:07:55.320 the raids happened. And somebody who's been following the lawsuits religiously, I said,

00:08:01.380 oh my gosh, this is it. They've taken everything they've seen is true. They're now going to arrest

00:08:08.020 him for sex trafficking. These people who are suing are cooperating witnesses. But I wanted to caveat it

00:08:13.760 because sometimes these raids can be just collecting information. It's collecting evidence.

00:08:18.740 It's working to build a case. So the fact that Diddy wasn't arrested and hasn't been arrested

00:08:23.420 doesn't mean that he won't be, because sometimes these cases do take time and they take time to

00:08:28.200 build. And I believe that behind the scenes, there are a number of people who have been issued

00:08:32.000 subpoenas and law enforcement and prosecutors are trying to corroborate the information they

00:08:37.060 currently have. So I think that's probably the best place to explain what's currently happening.

00:08:40.780 He's facing a number of lawsuits and we're waiting to see if he will face charges, but he's not been

00:08:45.120 charged and his sons have not been charged, even though they have been also brought up in these

00:08:49.800 allegations as well. Describe what the possible sex trafficking claim would be based on.

00:08:57.880 So when we talk about sex trafficking, we're talking about harboring, recruiting, enticing

00:09:04.960 individuals, which for commercial sex, you are offering them something of value, whether it's job

00:09:12.960 opportunities, whether it's gifts, whether it's money. And you're doing this through fraud or

00:09:18.700 coercion. And a big theme that we're seeing from these lawsuits is that Sean Diddy Combs used threats of

00:09:25.780 violence, used actual violence, used dangling opportunities in front of people to force them

00:09:33.540 into sexual situations that they did not consent to. And there's recurring themes that we're seeing

00:09:38.880 here. If people also were transported across state lines, that can be a big theme. You know,

00:09:43.880 Rodney Jones says that he was forced to do all of these illegal activities on behalf of Diddy while he

00:09:49.260 was being transported across different states and the U.S. Virgin Islands. And so we see that potential

00:09:55.720 sex trafficking charges could look like that. And I should also tell you, Megan, that in the

00:09:59.220 federal code, if you are talking about sex trafficking of minors or recruiting people for

00:10:05.660 prostitution who are underage, that tacks on. That's other additional charges. And in one of the

00:10:11.760 lawsuits, he's also been accused of operating a racketeering enterprise, which is a criminal

00:10:16.560 enterprise. Now, it's interesting I say that because I think it was just yesterday that in the

00:10:22.180 Rodney Jones lawsuit, the company defendants, so it's not just Combs who's been sued, but his companies

00:10:28.220 were sued or affiliated companies were sued, they were dropped from the lawsuits. And I think that

00:10:32.960 says something about even though these allegations are quite compelling and quite incredible to listen

00:10:40.580 to, they are allegations at this point and they're civil allegations. So we have to always be careful

00:10:45.720 that it might look like Diddy did something and he's accused of doing something, but right now he's

00:10:50.480 innocent until proven guilty and he hasn't been found liable in a court of law.

00:10:54.640 Well, on that front, the best thing I've seen for Diddy so far, since this all started breaking in

00:11:01.160 November, was this admonishment of the lawyer who represents both Rodney Little Rod Jones and I think

00:11:09.660 represented Cassie. He's now had his hand really slapped in some very explicit language by, was it the

00:11:18.320 bar or was it a judge? But they basically said, you need to stop with the salacious allegations.

00:11:24.520 You're clearly going for PR here. And I've never seen anything like that in a case. So tell us about

00:11:31.720 that. His name is Tyrone Blackburn and he represents several of the plaintiffs that are suing Diddy. He

00:11:37.800 not only represents Rodney Jones, he represents Grace O'Markey, who is a woman that is accused and sued

00:11:43.400 Christian Combs, Sean Combs' son of sexual assault. And it was a judge. It was a federal judge in New

00:11:51.340 York who actually issued a complaint to the grievance committee saying, when you're looking

00:11:57.400 at what Tyrone Blackburn is doing, a reasonable inference can be that he deliberately files cases

00:12:03.080 in federal court in order to gain media attention, to pressure plaintiffs to settle,

00:12:08.040 to embarrass them. And I'm saying to myself, I haven't seen that. And I haven't seen something

00:12:13.600 like that in a long time. And there was one thing that every one of the defense attorneys who were

00:12:19.460 representing Diddy and who are representing his son have come out and said, obviously they say the

00:12:24.860 allegations are fake, but the fact that they've spoken so out against Tyrone Blackburn is something

00:12:30.980 that, again, I haven't seen. They've basically been accusing him of malpractice. And just yesterday,

00:12:35.980 as I mentioned, one of the lawsuits, Tyrone Blackburn dropped the claims against a number

00:12:41.480 of the companies. And I actually want to pull up the language because he basically said,

00:12:47.620 I read everything that was in the opposing counsel's filings, and I've decided that it's

00:12:53.960 best to dismiss the cases, dismiss the claims. I was like, okay, I mean, that's interesting.

00:13:01.640 That's an interesting thing to do. I mean, you're basically saying, yeah, I agree with opposing

00:13:06.380 counsel, probably shouldn't have done that. And it's just, it kind of gives a little, I don't know,

00:13:10.560 Tyrone Blackburn. I'm just reading what's happening here. It just kind of gives a little

00:13:13.440 bit of context to what we're talking about. Well, and it's good to pump the brakes a little

00:13:17.780 because there is, whenever there's a celebrity, an envy factor, a sort of F them factor, they've got

00:13:24.900 everything. I don't feel sorry for them. And yet they can be the victims of shakedowns. I mean,

00:13:29.680 we've seen that happen repeatedly. So it is possible that there is a lawyer who sees the

00:13:35.380 dollar signs in his eyes and knows, especially as you point out, because he settled the first

00:13:40.200 lawsuit, that he's potentially a big cash register and just continues to make these allegations.

00:13:45.880 It's extraordinary that a judge would do this, would say about a lawyer, this guy's not ethical

00:13:52.660 and he should be submitted for a bar review. I've never seen that. So that gives me a lot of pause.

00:13:57.500 I will say, having said that, the fact that Diddy settled the Cassie lawsuit within one day

00:14:02.640 is not a good fact for Diddy. Not at all.

00:14:06.300 Well, he could be embarrassed. He's like, I don't want this going on. I don't want to go through

00:14:09.820 discovery, which is when in the litigation, you exchange materials. He doesn't want this amplified.

00:14:14.500 He doesn't want this broadcast for everybody to see. It was interesting. It's actually the reverse

00:14:19.420 effect of the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial, which we covered a long crime and sidebar,

00:14:24.180 because at the time I said, why would Johnny Depp decide to take this to court? All of his

00:14:28.940 personal details are going to come out. And then during the course of the case, you realize why

00:14:32.620 he wanted to clear his name. He wanted everything to get out for people to get that concept of I'm

00:14:37.460 innocent. Diddy could be the complete opposite saying, I don't want any of these details revealed.

00:14:42.180 Now, one of the interesting things is we've been trying to see, have people come to Diddy's

00:14:46.460 defense? There are some people who say this is made up. Some people say I've never seen it.

00:14:50.440 But then you look at somebody like Cuba Gooding Jr., who is an actor that's named in one of these

00:14:56.100 lawsuits. And he said, this is a money grab, what Rodney Jones is accusing both Cuba Gooding Jr.

00:15:02.160 of and Diddy of. So the motivations are definitely always a key component in any case. And as we see

00:15:08.800 so many lawsuits coming out, and by the way, from a legal point of view, I just have to make this

00:15:12.300 clear, Megan. The reason we saw so many lawsuits happen towards the end of 2023 is because out in New

00:15:17.620 York, there was a law and it was called the New York Adult Survivors Act. And it gave victims of

00:15:22.560 sexual assault a one year look back window to file lawsuits against their abusers if their claims

00:15:29.240 were otherwise time barred. And that's how E. Jean Carroll brought her case against Trump. 1.00

00:15:33.440 Right. Now, in theory, great thing, right? Sometimes we've learned over the years that

00:15:37.700 people who are abused, they won't go to law enforcement immediately. They won't tell their

00:15:41.700 story immediately. There's a number of reasons why people don't speak up. So giving them an

00:15:45.320 opportunity to seek some justice, it's great. With that, of course, comes a question mark. Are

00:15:51.020 they just rushing these claims in right before the deadline for a cash grab for something else?

00:15:56.260 Or is there something legitimate here? And that's something that's going to be explored

00:15:59.060 always in a court of law. All right. We're going to continue to dive into the details here,

00:16:03.720 including what about Usher? What about Justin Bieber? We've played some of that tape in the past.

00:16:09.940 What's being alleged with respect to them, if anything? And how are these cases likely to wind up?

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00:17:17.780 Jesse, let's get into the specifics of some of these many cases because I will say, as much as it's true

00:17:24.960 that big celebrities are big targets, there's a pattern, certainly, from a number of different

00:17:32.520 complainants who are all claiming he behaved similarly. I want to state for the record he's

00:17:39.220 denied all of this vehemently and said this is ridiculous. He calls these claims fabricated, 0.78

00:17:44.800 bogus, a money grab. He's denied and rejected the allegations of misconduct and pointed out that he's

00:17:50.760 an easy target for accusers who will falsify the truth. So in none of these is he giving one inch

00:17:56.740 and the settlement, we don't know why he settled so quickly with Cassie. That's up to the audience

00:18:01.380 to decide for themselves. But let's just start with her case because without getting into the most

00:18:06.980 graphic details, it's disturbing. Her 35-page federal complaint accuses him of sexual assault,

00:18:13.160 battery, and sex trafficking and saying that he forced her to engage in forced sexual acts.

00:18:18.940 She says that he signed her to his record label when she was 19. He was 37. She claimed he was

00:18:24.880 physically abusive throughout the relationship. Quote, Mr. Combs asserted complete control over

00:18:29.760 Ms. Ventura's personal and professional life, thereby ensuring her inability to escape his hold. 0.98

00:18:35.240 He demanded that she carry a firearm for him in her purse, she claims, forced her to engage in sex acts

00:18:42.040 with male sex workers, according to her complaint. She claimed his staff and bad boy entertainment

00:18:47.200 employees were aware of the abuse. Ultimately, she left her long-term abuser, according to her

00:18:50.920 in 18, after an alleged rape. That's her. Then comes Liza Gardner. She filed a 22-page lawsuit 1.00

00:19:00.780 against him and a man named Aaron Hall, accusing them of forcing her to have sex with them against

00:19:06.520 her will when she was only 16. She says she was at an event in New York for the album release for

00:19:13.020 somebody else. At a dinner for the event, Combs allegedly invited her and her friend

00:19:16.320 to this Aaron Hall's apartment for an after-party. She went, dumb move, and she alleges it was there

00:19:22.440 that Combs coerced her into having sex with him while she was getting dressed, that this man Hall 1.00

00:19:28.280 allegedly barged into the room, pinned her down, and allegedly forced her to have sex with him. 0.53

00:19:32.640 I haven't seen Hall's response. I assume it's a denial. She says Combs came in the day after the

00:19:40.040 assault to her home and began assaulting and choking her to the point where she passed out.

00:19:47.200 He responds, this is fabricated, bogus, and a money grab. So let's just start with those two.

00:19:51.900 What we're getting to here is he likes young girls. He brings them back home. He and associates

00:19:57.700 may engage in forced sex, also known as rape, and then they go back for more while the girl is

00:20:05.140 either still incapacitated or in their custody and control to the point where they actually show up

00:20:11.720 allegedly at the second girl's home the next day for more. Now, these things happen where a woman 1.00

00:20:18.360 willingly says yes to a celebrity like Sean Combs and then later says, maybe he wasn't so willing.

00:20:25.260 We don't know here. But by my count, Jesse, there's at least five lawsuits now against him

00:20:32.460 with very similar allegations, and they get worse, and we'll get to that. So what do you make of the

00:20:36.780 first two? Look, I think that some of these allegations are things that I've heard of before

00:20:42.660 in other lawsuits and in other cases. And I say to myself, it seems to be symptomatic of something

00:20:49.700 that's maybe a larger issue. Then there are details in this that are so graphic that I say

00:20:56.040 to myself, if Diddy's going to say this didn't happen, how does someone even make this stuff up?

00:21:02.040 And the more that you hear about the lawsuits is why I think it's really interesting, because

00:21:06.240 on the outside of the courtroom, you're hearing a lot of people talking about

00:21:09.560 Diddy's personal life and the parties and what he's been a part of. And we're getting kind of this

00:21:13.680 glimpse into the lifestyle. Now, these are allegations, and these are civil allegations. What I mean by that is,

00:21:18.620 remember, this is not a criminal case. They don't have to prove beyond the reasonable doubt

00:21:23.040 that he committed a crime. These are civil allegations. The burden of proof is much lower,

00:21:27.340 but it's very serious and very troubling with what we're hearing. It's interesting. When I read

00:21:32.740 the Cassandra Ventura lawsuit, and I read these allegations, a part of me thought,

00:21:37.460 Diddy's going to have to take this to trial to deny it? It's so bad. And when he settled,

00:21:42.160 I remember that Ben Brafman, who was his attorney at the time, said, let's be very clear,

00:21:46.440 just because we're settling doesn't mean we're admitting any of this. And remember,

00:21:50.300 Diddy's fighting this not only in the court of law, but the court of public opinion.

00:21:53.720 The Liza Gardner lawsuit, although old, right, we're talking about something from many years ago,

00:21:59.860 is incredibly troubling. And if allowed to proceed, her testimony alone could result in

00:22:06.680 finding that he's liable. But he's facing very similar claims here of sexual assault,

00:22:12.560 sex trafficking, sexual harassment, violations of the Trafficking Act. And so it's troubling to see.

00:22:20.460 We don't know the merits of it. I will tell you, I find it very interesting what's happening with

00:22:25.620 the legal cases in the sense like the Liza Gardner one. I remember when we talked before about you

00:22:31.840 have to look at the legal filings to determine if there's something more here. Well, in the Liza Gardner

00:22:36.140 case, Diddy filed a motion. Well, let me rephrase. She wants to now move this case from New York to 0.99

00:22:42.860 New Jersey. Happens all the time. We see it a lot of times in civil cases. But why? Well, it turns

00:22:47.760 out, she said, well, you know, we got all this new information. By the way, she's represented by

00:22:51.600 Tyrone Blackburn, that controversial attorney that we mentioned. Wants to move the case from New York

00:22:56.100 to New Jersey because we just got all this new information. It kind of clarifies the timeline,

00:23:01.140 clarifies a little bit of the context. It seems that the rape didn't actually occur in New York.

00:23:05.700 It happened in New Jersey. Again, I'm questioning. That's a big fact. You shouldn't have that been

00:23:12.680 right from the very beginning. And then I think to myself, the timing of it was interesting because

00:23:16.800 Liza Gardner at the time was being pushed by the defense, by defendants in this case,

00:23:23.060 to answer one of their legal filings. And she was running up against the extension. They were saying

00:23:28.440 she shouldn't be granted another extension to respond. And from a legal point of view, I wonder,

00:23:32.980 hey, we're going to file this motion to switch the case to another jurisdiction. It buys us a little

00:23:38.720 bit more time to respond. We're going to say we're going to have all these new allegations.

00:23:42.540 It was just something I thought of, particularly since she's being represented by Tyrone Blackburn,

00:23:46.880 and there were questions in his past. So I think some of the legal filings, and if you want to get

00:23:50.120 into it too, Megan, I mean, one of the other lawsuits that she's facing, that Diddy's facing,

00:23:54.180 I did a whole sidebar on it. I think Diddy's legal response to that was so sound that almost all the

00:24:01.140 claims are going to be thrown out. So again, there's something to be said about what's being

00:24:05.340 accused and what's being alleged and what can actually make its way to trial.

00:24:11.020 When she moved to have the venue switch to New Jersey, how recently was that?

00:24:17.220 Oh, I think it was only a couple of weeks ago.

00:24:19.120 Was it post the Harvey Weinstein reversal? I mean, because that was an important ruling 0.91

00:24:25.420 saying in New York State, you can no longer bring in every woman the defendants ever had an interlude

00:24:32.320 with. Things got harder for women post that decision. Well, let's be clear about that. So 0.96

00:24:37.180 a couple of things. One, it might've happened after. I don't want to be held to that, but it

00:24:41.480 might've happened after. The Harvey Weinstein situation, and you might not know this, Megan,

00:24:46.780 I was in that courtroom for every day of that trial. I was covering it. And I thought the

00:24:51.740 allegations and the testimony were so compelling, but having said it from a legal point of view,

00:24:57.040 I wasn't surprised it got reversed. I wasn't surprised it got thrown out. I thought the

00:25:01.800 judge in that case was so anti-defense. I remember being in that courtroom. It was freezing. The

00:25:08.080 defense counsel said to the judge, do you mind closing the window? He wouldn't do it. And that's

00:25:11.960 just a small little symptom of it. But the idea that you had a number of those witnesses who

00:25:16.900 testified about conduct that really wasn't quite the exact same conduct, what he was actually being

00:25:23.400 charged with. And that if he wanted to take the stand, he would be questioned about things that

00:25:27.580 were entirely irrelevant, whether he blew up at a board meeting, whether he threw things,

00:25:32.740 the fact that he could question about anything affected his ability to take the stand. So I wasn't

00:25:36.760 surprised that that conviction was overturned. I don't know if there's a connection between what

00:25:41.060 happened there and what happened here, but it is an interesting thing to think about.

00:25:46.000 Hmm. Always. My team is telling me she filed paperwork on May 4th and I believe, wait,

00:25:51.000 I think that, what date was the Harvey decision?

00:25:52.860 Now I want to say. Now I want to say.

00:25:55.580 End of April.

00:25:55.960 I'm going to try to.

00:25:57.080 The Harvey decision came down end of April and she filed May 4th. So that could be another,

00:26:00.580 I don't know what the New Jersey law is on letting in the parade of prior bad acts,

00:26:04.800 which is generally barred by law. I have to look into it. But anyway, just a question I had.

00:26:08.660 Um, okay. So let's talk about two more because we're also, we're just trying to give the jury

00:26:13.460 and the jury, the, the audience a feel for what he's facing here. So what's the court of public

00:26:18.920 opinion too? So yeah, that's a joke. That's right. So, uh, is it joy Dickerson? Joy is J O I. Yep.

00:26:25.220 Joy Dickerson. Okay. Joy Dickerson, Neil. She's filed a lawsuit, 22 pages. And she alleged,

00:26:32.000 alleged she met Sean Combs after she'd appeared in a music video with him while she was a student at my

00:26:36.920 alma mater, um, Syracuse university. She claims she later agreed to go out to dinner with him on

00:26:42.940 January 3rd, 1991 while on a school break. She and I were probably at school at the same time.

00:26:48.320 I graduated Syracuse in 92 during their date. Dickerson alleged that Combs intentionally

00:26:53.840 drugged her. This is another theme we see through the complaints that there was intentional and

00:26:58.880 surreptitious drugging by Sean Combs. She accused him of sexually assaulting her and then video

00:27:04.780 recording the sexual assault. That's another theme that we see through the allegations unproven days

00:27:10.260 later. A male friend allegedly revealed, revealed to her that he, along with other men had viewed the

00:27:15.860 sex tape, quote unquote, sex tape. She asked her friend who had seen it. And the friend told her

00:27:19.940 everyone she alleges. She claims from that point, her life went into a tailspin and things went down

00:27:25.520 from there. She's alleging assault and battery, intentional infection of emotional distress,

00:27:30.080 human trafficking and revenge porn. He's denied it and rejected the claims of misconduct and said

00:27:35.440 he's an easy target for accusers who will falsify the truth with, without conscience or consequence

00:27:42.640 to, for their own financial benefit. Um, then there's Jane Doe, who's 17. Um, and she's alleging 0.97

00:27:52.000 she was gang raped and sex trafficked by Sean Combs and the former president of bad boy records, 0.65

00:27:57.980 Harvey Pierre, when she was just 17. And in the 11th grade, she claims that she met Pierre in a lounge 0.67

00:28:05.660 in Detroit. And he told her he was best friends with Combs. Doe claims Combs convinced her to

00:28:11.120 accompany Pierre and, and a third assailant on a private jet to come to his studio in New York

00:28:16.800 city. I must say for the record, these are all terrible decisions by these young women, just terrible. 0.70

00:28:23.100 There is a reason why you don't say yes to this when being asked to go on a private plane or to a

00:28:28.080 private hotel room, uh, or a recording studio owned and controlled by said man. When you're a young

00:28:33.780 woman and you're alone, there is a reason why you don't do that. Not blaming the victim. I'm saying

00:28:37.680 we need to take some responsibility for putting ourselves in dangerous situations. And honestly,

00:28:42.380 trust no one, uh, just trust no one use the buddy system, go with somebody else. Don't drink

00:28:46.900 and make sure that you're above age before you agree to any of this stuff. She claims she agreed

00:28:53.040 and boarded a jet that flew to Teterboro, New Jersey and was taken to Combs' studio. She alleges

00:28:57.960 that once there, Combs and his associates, including this guy, Pierre, plied her full of drugs and

00:29:02.760 alcohol and alleges she was subsequently gang raped at the studio by Combs, Pierre, and this third

00:29:07.800 assailant. Her complaint states that while Combs was raping Ms. Doe, the 17 year old, he complained

00:29:14.120 that he could not achieve climax unless she pinched his nipples as hard as she could. And that Combs 0.97

00:29:20.500 then allegedly watched as the third assailant raped her while she told him to stop quote after third 0.62

00:29:26.300 assailant was finished. Mr. Pierre took his turn at raping Ms. Doe and then violently forced her to 0.99

00:29:30.920 give him oral sex during which Ms. Doe was choking and struggling to breathe. Once again, extreme detail. 0.99

00:29:36.900 Is this another one by our friend Tyrone? Yeah. So, so let, let me just say this from the

00:29:43.380 outset about this. There is a, these are harrowing accounts and there's a level of specificity in

00:29:50.020 these accounts that I think we have to note as well. And I mentioned that you see lawsuit after

00:29:54.780 lawsuit, A, because the clock was about to run up on that New York law that allowed people to file

00:30:01.280 old claims. But I also want it to be clear that sometimes people may feel more comfortable coming

00:30:06.880 forward with allegations against somebody like a Harvey Weinstein or a Diddy, even though Diddy has

00:30:11.940 not been charged, not been found liable because they see other people coming forward. So I want to make

00:30:16.280 that clear. Yes. And here's something to note too about the weakness of these legal cases. And when I

00:30:22.160 say that, let me be clear. The Joy Dickerson Neal case, I did a whole sidebar on this. Diddy filed a

00:30:28.340 response and said almost 80%, 90% of the claims in that case should be thrown out. Why? Because

00:30:35.880 the statutes that she is suing Diddy under weren't even the law when this assault took place. So yes,

00:30:44.640 you can bring a lawsuit against somebody through the New York adult survivors act. Sure. But what you

00:30:50.700 can't do is sue somebody for saying they did something illegal that wasn't illegal at the time.

00:30:55.080 And they're all the companies that she's suing as well. They weren't even in existence at the time

00:31:00.740 this alleged assault happened. And there's more arguments that they make too, that he, this was,

00:31:05.840 he's not an employee of the company. Bottom line is, I think there's a strong argument that a lot of

00:31:09.720 those claims could be thrown out with the 17 year old. This is the Syracuse University alumni.

00:31:14.120 Correct. The Joy Dickerson Neal one. And then the 17 year old Diddy made a legal argument that those

00:31:19.300 claims are time barred under the statute. They can't be revived. And I read through the filings

00:31:24.620 from the attorney. I think there's a lot of ground there. There's a lot of water to those arguments.

00:31:29.840 And so again, it becomes a question of why were they filed? Was there a rush to file them? That was

00:31:36.760 something that made me think too. For example, we don't know when these, these women came forward with 0.99

00:31:41.720 their accounts and spoke to legal counsel and had a lawsuit. Was there a rush to get the lawsuits

00:31:47.120 filed before the deadline closed? Was there an ample time to do due diligence about this?

00:31:52.620 Something I've suspected because they seem to be some legal issues that could have been flagged at

00:31:57.380 the very beginning. We don't know. But having said, it doesn't take away from the very chilling and

00:32:02.740 harrowing accounts from these accusers. Yeah. In that last case, the Jane Doe, who says she was 17

00:32:08.240 when this terrible thing happened to her in the defendant state that she cannot allege what day or time

00:32:14.440 of year the alleged incident occurred, yet purports to miraculously recall the most prurient details

00:32:19.520 with specificity. And then they do argue that it's time barred and just, just brought too late so that

00:32:26.320 she's out of time on it. Okay. So that brings us to Rodney Jones. I did read this one myself,

00:32:33.360 this complaint, and it was a stunner. It was absolutely horrifying, although also confusing.

00:32:40.060 If I remember correctly, Jesse, correct me if I'm wrong, but it wasn't this complaint that alleged 0.97

00:32:47.960 that Combs suddenly touched in some way this guy's anus. Like it was a surprise. I'm sorry to get 0.96

00:32:58.600 graphic, but I remember reading like, how does that happen? Just out of the blue. And the whole

00:33:03.580 complaint reads like this. He says he was a videographer for Combs and a producer, and he's got

00:33:08.080 a lot of this stuff on tape, but give us a feel for the Rodney Jones lawsuit also being handled by

00:33:13.400 Tyrone. Okay. So he is alleging a number of things. He is saying that, yes, he was sexually harassed and

00:33:19.580 assaulted by Combs, that he was groped, fondled, that he was forced to watch Diddy naked, taking 0.99

00:33:26.680 showers, that he was forced to recruit sex workers to perform sex acts with them for the pleasure of 0.99

00:33:33.720 Diddy, that he was drugged at one point, found himself in bed with, with sex workers. So you 0.98

00:33:38.900 already see flavors of sex trafficking, sexual abuse, and sexual harassment. He also says he 0.86

00:33:43.040 witnessed acts of violence. He said that he was involved, sort of Diddy involved in a shooting at

00:33:48.500 a recording studio, that Diddy admitted to his involvement, as we mentioned before, the 1999

00:33:53.260 nightclub shooting, that he's seen drug abuse, that he's seen illegal weapons possession. He is

00:33:59.660 alleging everything. And big theme from that too, is he is alleging that Diddy groomed him for

00:34:06.100 homosexual sex. The reason I bring that up, Megan, is because there's been a lot of rumors and 0.84

00:34:11.600 speculation about Diddy because of things like that. And one of the things that he says is Diddy showed

00:34:18.800 him a video of a prominent person in the music industry having homosexual sex. He mentioned how 0.98

00:34:26.420 he was a victim of Cuba Gooding Jr. That Cuba Gooding Jr. one night was on a yacht and Diddy

00:34:31.700 left them alone and Cuba Gooding Jr. fondled him and made him uncomfortable. And then he's now suing

00:34:36.720 Cuba Gooding Jr. for that. And, and yes, Rodney Jones, it's a big lawsuit, but not only has Diddy's

00:34:43.680 counsel come out and completely denied it, but several of the high profile people who are named in that

00:34:49.860 lawsuit, not as defendants, by the way, but just named, they're accused of being these sex workers that

00:34:55.560 they were paid by Diddy to perform sex acts. They said, this is complete lies. These are well-known

00:35:00.120 artists like young Miami. And so they, the fact that you have people who are not even named as

00:35:04.740 defendants, but just mentioned in the lawsuit saying, this is not true. Again, kind of gives

00:35:09.920 you a little bit of pause to think about what's going on. And Cuba Gooding Jr. came out. I thought

00:35:13.840 this was fascinating because Cuba Gooding Jr. has been quiet since all this happened. And he sits

00:35:19.800 down for a podcast interview with Patrick, but David says, let me play it. And then you take

00:35:25.700 it on the back end. Take a listen to SOT 21. What do you think is going on with all the stuff

00:35:30.780 with Diddy, with little Rod, with, you know, all the stories that everybody's hearing about?

00:35:34.960 You mean in terms of what?

00:35:36.360 I mean, you know, being raiding his, you know, his house being raided.

00:35:39.480 I mean, that's crazy. That's the craziest thing I'd ever. And then, Hey, how about me? I wake up in the

00:35:44.560 morning. I turn on the stage show. Hector Cuba Gooding Jr. I was like, excuse me, pull me into

00:35:49.800 this. I can't imagine that he's stupid enough to do whatever he's doing and keep it on his 1.00

00:35:57.820 premises. I think that the raid and all of that stuff, only time will tell who was involved, 1.00

00:36:05.020 who had been a frequent guest in these places and areas. It's funny because my lawyers said,

00:36:12.860 every outlet in the world wants to talk to you. And again, I'm like, I'm not defining myself from

00:36:18.320 some headline in the press. So I stayed quiet. Go ahead, Jesse. I think we tried to get him on

00:36:24.660 sidebar, by the way. So we were one of those outlets, but, um, but no, look, I thought that

00:36:28.720 was really interesting because he's not outright denying everything about Diddy. He's not saying

00:36:33.160 the guy's completely innocent, but what was really interesting in the interview, he says,

00:36:37.080 I really don't know Diddy. Uh, he's an acquaintance, met him two or three times. Um, you know,

00:36:41.640 I can't speak anything more about that in regards to me. And this was fascinating in that interview.

00:36:46.960 He goes, I was that night. I was jumping from yacht to yacht. It was new year's Eve. I ended up

00:36:52.080 on Diddy's yacht. This guy's listening to music. We're listening to it. And there's a picture,

00:36:56.340 by the way, in that lawsuit, um, with Cuba Gooding Jr. Next to little Rod Jones, he's got his arm around

00:37:02.660 him looking very close next to him. Um, and he goes, you know, that photo that Jones put in his

00:37:08.080 lawsuit, let me show you something else. And he shows Patrick Bate David, another photo. We don't

00:37:11.480 see what it is, but it's apparently a live photo. He goes, look, this is a different angle. He goes,

00:37:15.540 so they decided to put this one photo in to make it look like something. There's another side of the

00:37:19.320 story said that this is a money grab. So he was defense. He came out on the defensive against what

00:37:24.500 he's accused of, but not so much against all the allegations for Diddy. And he definitely tried to

00:37:30.000 distance himself away from him. I'll bet, uh, this, this guy, little Rod, he's also alleging,

00:37:36.180 um, that Diddy would lace liquor bottles that he had in his house, specific bottles of alcohol

00:37:42.840 designed for females would lace them with ecstasy. And that ties in, I mean, potentially with some of

00:37:50.180 these early accusations earlier that the women had been drugged again, all of which are denied.

00:37:54.820 And Megan, let me just jump in. I think if you take his allegations as true, he is a star witness for

00:38:01.140 the prosecution in this back to the raids. Oh yeah. I have to imagine they're speaking to him

00:38:06.220 because he was the one who said, Diddy's got videotapes cameras in all of his houses that

00:38:11.340 records a lot of this illicit activity. We've wondered was one of the things that they obtained

00:38:16.040 from the raids on his LA and Miami homes, videotapes, camera systems based on what little

00:38:21.580 Rod said. I have to imagine he has at least spoken with the government or might be a cooperating witness.

00:38:27.260 I know. Although it's been a while since the raid, do you think he's going to be arrested?

00:38:32.100 There's a strong chance. I say that not only as a lawyer, not as somebody who's only covered the

00:38:36.320 cases, not only seeing comparisons to other cases, but I've spoken to former federal prosecutors,

00:38:42.600 spoke to the former federal prosecutor, put R. Kelly away and said, it is a matter of time

00:38:46.760 in the sense that, look, there could be absolutely nothing. Let me make a clear clue. Absolutely

00:38:51.500 nothing, right? They could look at this and say, these allegations were just allegations. We have

00:38:54.860 nothing to corroborate. There's nothing here, but could there be, and one of the things they're

00:39:00.140 looking at, illegal firearms possessions? Was Diddy's fingerprints on any of those weapons?

00:39:05.240 Are there videos of him? Was there illegal substances found? Do the videos show or anything

00:39:10.220 from that house show sex trafficking or sex crimes of any sort? We just don't know.

00:39:16.320 But having said that, what I keep being told is the feds don't come in like that.

00:39:21.840 And with the level of force, yes, they're dealing with massive properties. They don't know who's in

00:39:25.820 there. There's been allegations of firearms and violence. They didn't know what they were going

00:39:29.280 into, but the feds don't go in and do this unless they have something and they're going to find

00:39:33.980 something. So we don't know. We shall see. But it's definitely possible that Diddy and perhaps his

00:39:41.160 sons or associates could ultimately be charged. We just don't know, but it's possible.

00:39:44.920 There's at least one lawsuit against one of the sons with disturbing allegations. But can I last,

00:39:50.740 before I let you go, Bieber and Usher were both two up and coming stars who were taken under the wing

00:39:59.020 by Diddy. There's some weird tape of both of them talking about some experiences with Diddy. Usher

00:40:06.000 was like, it was crazy. It was, you know, bizarre land inside of Diddy's home. And Bieber was like 15

00:40:13.620 years old with Diddy. We've got the Bieber. Let's watch that. That's SOT 22.

00:40:17.940 Justin, you ever seen the movie 48 Hours? Right now he's having 48 hours with Diddy,

00:40:24.420 him and his boy. They're having the times of their lives, like, you know, where we hanging out and

00:40:30.880 what we doing. We can't really disclose. But it's definitely a 15-year-old's dream.

00:40:39.280 You know, I have been given custody of him. You know, he signed to Usher.

00:40:45.780 I'm signed to Usher. I had legal guardianship of Usher when, you know, he did his first album. I did

00:40:51.780 Usher's first album. I don't really, I don't have legal guardianship of him, but for the next 48 hours,

00:40:56.860 he's with me. So, yeah, and we're going to go full, buck full crazy. We're going crazy.

00:41:03.980 Oh, God. And when he had Usher, Usher was only 13. So what are we to make of those two

00:41:10.280 people and their relationship to Diddy? Look, if you look at that video without knowing anything

00:41:15.760 else, you'd say, not make much of it, maybe a weird video, a little strange. But we look at it

00:41:20.640 with a different lens because of everything, all of these allegations. And Usher is indirectly named

00:41:26.920 in this lawsuit as somebody that Combs admitted to Little Rod Jones that he was, had a relationship

00:41:33.580 with. And when we talk about these allegations of grooming, homosexual sex, obviously we're looking 0.98

00:41:38.760 at videos and going through past videos of Diddy with a different eye. Will this video be relevant?

00:41:45.480 Will it be relevant in an actual criminal case against Diddy? Probably not. Will Justin Bieber be

00:41:50.500 questioned by the feds about his relationship or contact with Diddy? It's hard to say and probably not.

00:41:56.780 But it's just, we look at things like that. When anybody's accused of something or anybody's

00:42:01.400 charged with something, we go back, we look at the past, we look at the videos and we try to see

00:42:05.280 if we can find clues of something that was going on. But we don't know what that was really about.

00:42:09.880 Mm-hmm. I don't know. It's just tough. He is a huge star with a very deep pocket, but this is a lot.

00:42:16.200 This is a lot of smoke if there's no fire. A ton of smoke. I can state affirmatively that

00:42:23.820 Jesse and I are not going to have six people come forward and allege that we drugged people and that

00:42:29.560 we had gang rapes and that it's all on tape and that we, you know, like there's just, there's a

00:42:33.960 pattern that I find very disturbing. And I don't think this is going to end well for Diddy. I think

00:42:40.460 he's got some defenses to some of these, but I think you're right. He's probably going to be

00:42:44.560 in custody within the next four months, but we'll see. I've been wrong before. Could be wrong on this

00:42:50.540 one too. Jesse, thank you. Thank you so much. My pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.

00:42:56.080 All right. Check them out on Law and Crime Sidebar. And thanks to all of you. I want to

00:43:00.000 tell you that tomorrow we have my pal Dan Bongino back with us again. Looking forward to that. We'll

00:43:05.500 see all of you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

00:43:20.540 Thank you.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 16, 2024

Shocking Allegations Against Megastar Diddy - Will He Be Arrested After Raids？ With Jesse Weber ｜ Ep. 793

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