The Megyn Kelly Show - Shocking Migrant Attack, Questions About California Cheating, and Iran Shoots Down American Helicopter, with Buckley Carlson ｜ Ep. 1335

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00:01:11.460 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:17.100 hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show closing arguments now underway in the

00:01:28.080 trial of 19 year old carmelo anthony who is accused of fatally stabbing austin metcalf another 17 year

00:01:35.080 old during a confrontation at a high school track meet that never needed to happen uh this jury is

00:01:40.620 expected to get the case in moments. There's been a huge development. The jury will now be able to

00:01:47.540 consider a lesser charge of manslaughter. Originally, we just had murder charges. Now

00:01:52.080 they've added manslaughter. I query why the prosecution did that, because this is an open

00:01:57.360 and shut case. Maybe they felt bad for him. I have no idea. There was a long meeting with

00:02:02.400 defense counsel yesterday of some three hours. But that's normally something that the defense

00:02:06.820 might push for if they thought there might be a conviction, and it's something the prosecution

00:02:12.200 pushes for if they think there won't be a conviction on murder. So I'm not sure why on

00:02:18.260 earth that would have been added at the last minute. In any event, also we're going to discuss

00:02:21.920 whether the neocons are turning on President Trump. They're not exactly getting their way

00:02:26.700 right now, and they seem to be rather upset. Here with me today for what's sure to be an

00:02:31.600 unbelievable conversation on a wide range of topics is Buckley Carlson. I'm so excited for

00:02:36.460 this. I've been waiting for this for months. He's a longtime writer, media strategist, and former

00:02:40.760 speechwriter back in 2015 for Donald Trump. He also happens to be the younger bro of Tucker Carlson,

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00:04:09.660 insurance company so great to have you buckley so great to be here megan thank you for having me

00:04:17.100 i've been anticipating this for a while as well the pleasure's all mine so do you love saying

00:04:21.860 that you're the younger brother that tucker's the older one now it's pretty funny very few

00:04:25.820 people recognize that i am the younger brother they all call me old leather face and they all

00:04:30.800 surmise that i've led a much much rougher life than tucker well i actually reading up on you

00:04:35.640 realized you haven't that you both quit drinking decades ago and he can't he quit smoking but you

00:04:41.900 keep smoking i quit i also it turned out i was a quitter briefly oh okay for about 12 years okay

00:04:47.180 and always doing the nicotine supplements but recently i came back in the fold you quit the

00:04:52.020 quitting i quit the quitting because i i'm not that kind of person congratulations commitment

00:04:56.000 it turns out we all need vices yes you know very few in my life beyond but honestly like i i i've

00:05:02.780 never smoked but i do feel and i trust me i've done a lot of maha on this show and i love maha

00:05:08.240 and i'm trying to live a maha life but even i occasionally i'm like i feel like brian johnson

00:05:14.220 i want a martini and something else bad for me i don't just feel like can we just relax

00:05:20.440 Like the way people used to live,

00:05:22.280 they used to live into their 80s

00:05:23.560 and they lived these lives of debauchery

00:05:25.620 and they didn't feel sorry for it.

00:05:27.380 My great-grandmother was a duck hunter

00:05:29.360 well into her 80s

00:05:30.480 and she was a chain smoker and a drinker

00:05:32.680 and quite a conversationalist. 0.99

00:05:34.320 Yes.

00:05:34.960 It works for a lot of people. 1.00

00:05:36.060 My Nana lived to be 101 years old. 1.00

00:05:38.100 She never ate anything other than processed foods. 1.00

00:05:40.560 She was obese.

00:05:41.660 She never saw the inside of a gym

00:05:43.260 or any sort of exercise.

00:05:44.580 And she was a stressed out person.

00:05:46.580 How? 0.51

00:05:47.180 How?

00:05:47.520 Like, why can't we live like that? 1.00

00:05:49.420 probably she didn't have the nanny influence i think actually that's the most deleterious thing 0.85

00:05:53.820 for health is having people bark in your face tell you what to do yes your freedom yes and

00:05:59.380 they're everywhere right now everywhere yes they are um okay there's a lot i i have so much i want

00:06:04.440 to do on your bio but before we get to your bio can we just start with the hottest news story

00:06:08.260 that's going on right now it's stunning and it's awful and it's disgusting it's out of northern

00:06:13.020 ireland and for the listening audience you probably know this but just in case you don't

00:06:17.100 Northern Ireland is part of the UK and it's, you know, ruled by Keir Starmer and the Republic of

00:06:23.400 Ireland is separate and different. And Northern Ireland, Ireland has taken a lot of immigrants 0.99

00:06:28.060 from the UK and they're not all happy about it. And today in particular, something awful has 1.00

00:06:34.960 happened. Protests are being organized right now. They're about to break out on the streets of the

00:06:39.580 UK because a man was almost beheaded by a Sudanese immigrant last night. A white Irish man 0.84

00:06:50.760 almost beheaded by a Sudanese immigrant. The police are saying precious little about it right

00:06:56.000 now. They say they know it's not terror, even though they don't know the motive. That they

00:07:01.580 know, though. Definitely not terror. The most incendiary thing that's really going to upset

00:07:05.980 we know it's not that, but it, but it's, it's definitely an immigrant who was given quote 1.00

00:07:11.840 leave to be in the UK. So it appears the UK opened its borders to this guy and he's in his thirties.

00:07:18.360 The victim is in his forties and lived. He's alive right now. Um, don't have the names of

00:07:24.560 these people yet. And amazingly, the reason he lived, this is one good piece of the story

00:07:29.420 is this bad-ass Irishman saw the attack going down and took out this huge paddle that they 0.86

00:07:35.140 use for a game over there, which I'd never heard of. Uh, hold on a second. I wrote it down

00:07:39.220 called, um, a Hurley stick from some game like Hurley. I don't know what it is, but it's an

00:07:44.720 Irish thing and beat the daylights out of the assailant and stopped him from killing this poor

00:07:50.900 man. Um, I'm just going to give you the, so now the man's seriously injured and in the hospital.

00:07:56.660 Say they said something terrible happened to his eyes. They're not being more specific.

00:08:00.920 I'm going to give you a hint for how it's going. 0.91

00:08:03.440 Northern Ireland's justice minister is a woman named Naomi Long.

00:08:07.780 And here's how she's reacting to this terrible development.

00:08:11.520 There is no place for this kind of horrific violence in our community.

00:08:16.660 And what I am saying very clearly today is that I understand people will be frightened.

00:08:21.740 I understand that some people will be angry.

00:08:24.340 But we need to have calm heads.

00:08:27.400 We need to stay cool and allow the police to do their job of investigation, because what I want to see more than anything is the person responsible, held accountable before the law.

00:08:39.660 I do not want to see ramping up of tensions.

00:08:42.640 I do not want to see other innocent people's lives ruined as a result of what was a completely unacceptable and outrageous attack.

00:08:51.800 OK, so it's basically rain in your reaction.

00:08:54.320 I don't think it's helpful, she said, for people to seize on this as yet another weapon in the war that they wage on immigration.

00:09:03.640 That's not healthy. And I don't think it's fair.

00:09:06.920 It's always the reality. So is the Republicans pounce, basically, in response to these incidents.

00:09:11.640 What do you make of it?

00:09:12.400 Don't hold us responsible for the the awful policies that we've imposed upon you for no reason.

00:09:17.160 No identifiable reason that we could articulate. 1.00

00:09:20.680 Why is this good for Ireland to have to import all of these people that have nothing in common with Ireland, that Ireland can't afford, that Ireland can't fit, that the Irish people don't actually want?

00:09:30.660 No one's actually asked the Irish people what they want.

00:09:32.680 And when they do, no one in government has asked, and they don't seem to care.

00:09:37.180 But if they asked the Irish people, they'd say enough is enough.

00:09:39.880 We can't afford our lives.

00:09:40.980 We don't have houses.

00:09:41.960 We don't have representation here in our country.

00:09:44.540 This this response from this one, at least she acknowledged that there's some outrage.

00:09:48.660 I'm surprised she didn't say, let's not let's not get racist about it.

00:09:54.060 I mean, she's basically intimating that.

00:09:55.780 I just like I've had it with your overreactions when it comes to immigration problems.

00:10:00.280 Like, let's not make the people fearful.

00:10:02.440 What's making the people fearful is not the reaction to the attempted beheading.

00:10:07.520 It's the attempted beheading, which we are going to show blurred.

00:10:11.080 Forgive me. We're going to blur it.

00:10:13.280 you're not going to actually see the beheading, but you can see the danger this man was in

00:10:16.720 with the blurring watch.

00:10:18.920 He's just killed him. Hurry up.

00:10:21.540 No, he's not.

00:10:26.140 Has he got a knife?

00:10:27.160 Yeah. Get off him, you fucking rat. 1.00

00:10:30.700 Yeah. 1.00

00:10:31.780 Yeah.

00:10:32.740 He's trying to cut his hair off his neck. Hurry up.

00:10:37.100 Hurry up.

00:10:38.240 He's slicing his hair off here. Hurry up. 0.68

00:10:39.900 Get him! 1.00

00:10:45.760 Fuck! 1.00

00:10:46.420 Kill him! 1.00

00:10:47.560 Get on them! 1.00

00:10:48.920 Let him go, die! 1.00

00:10:50.660 Now have time on us! 1.00

00:10:51.740 Yes!

00:10:52.440 Yes!

00:10:53.060 Get up!

00:10:53.760 Get up!

00:10:55.380 This guy's kidding me.

00:10:57.580 There's a cop.

00:10:58.460 There's a cop.

00:10:59.000 Back on.

00:10:59.320 Back on.

00:10:59.680 Back on.

00:11:00.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.580 Yes.

00:11:01.340 Exactly.

00:11:01.980 The bystander who actually...

00:11:03.420 That's what would happen here.

00:11:04.420 ...acted like a hero.

00:11:05.300 Boy, it has happened here.

00:11:06.700 So...

00:11:07.300 Yeah, like Daniel Penny.

00:11:09.900 so it's only thanks to those people that this man's alive today so did the police come and

00:11:18.720 hog time and pull his hands behind his back and kneel on his chest and thankfully no but you know

00:11:24.080 it's almost like uh you know not to downplay in any way the hero the heroism of that guy's move

00:11:30.200 because nine times out of ten people be too afraid to go attack somebody who's trying to behead

00:11:33.980 one of their countrymen um but they're very much focused on that now like at the presser that the

00:11:39.400 police had. They really played up the guy's heroism. And it's like, we were feeling that,

00:11:43.420 but we need to start with accountability for the policies that allowed this man to be here to begin

00:11:48.280 with. It's been happening all over the UK, including Northern Ireland, where they've been

00:11:53.580 complaining now about increased crime on the streets, where like streets that used to be like

00:11:58.360 beautiful tourist attractions are now covered with drug dealers and homelessness and people 0.92

00:12:03.820 from other countries, Somalia is one of them, Sudan's another, who have no shared values with 1.00

00:12:09.980 the people in the UK, similar to what we're seeing here in places like Minneapolis, who take 0.98

00:12:15.160 advantage of the system and who have, I mean, a barbaric way of resolving whatever conflicts are

00:12:22.120 in their lives or mental health issues. Sorry you have them. Why is it our problem? Very much so.

00:12:27.680 Why is it our problem? And it shouldn't be our problem. And obviously, it's rattling of what

00:12:32.420 happened last week or earlier last year but certainly the henry noah case yes where he had

00:12:37.780 been i mean keir stormer came up it was absolutely shameful for keir stormer to blame people for

00:12:42.640 being upset about it uh and also those those police officers should be held to account for

00:12:47.880 what they did for the dereliction of duty for the disdain that they poured out on poor henry

00:12:53.320 they killed them essentially their their disregard their they're leaping to the conclusion that this

00:12:58.800 was racism and racism, you know, maybe unacceptable. It is. We shouldn't be engaged in racist

00:13:05.200 attitudes, but it's not about racism. It's about public safety and it's about being represented by

00:13:09.480 the people to whom we invest this power, this incredible power, and they abuse it.

00:13:15.600 The irony is the Henry case is actually, it is about racism, just the other way around.

00:13:22.180 Yes. Institutional racism, anti-white racism from our elected officials and from the entire

00:13:27.880 institutions that we'd pay for.

00:13:30.660 Well, it's so ironic, right?

00:13:32.100 It's like they thought they were cloaking themselves in this glory of arriving on the 0.97

00:13:35.880 scene and saying, oh, of course, the poor Sikh man got attacked by the punk white kid. 0.99

00:13:40.480 And it was their anti-white racism. 0.98

00:13:43.900 And I think they were white cops. 0.86

00:13:44.940 I'm not sure. 0.92

00:13:46.500 But that didn't stop them.

00:13:48.240 They've been so conditioned by the BLM movement and the self-shame thing that's been happening 0.72

00:13:54.300 among whites in the Western world. 0.85

00:13:56.660 Yes. 0.60

00:13:56.940 They didn't even pause to reconsider as it came into like a victim perpetrator narrative, who was whom.

00:14:04.280 And that's deadly.

00:14:06.020 Driven by the perpetrator.

00:14:07.680 I mean, the idea that he could just say right off the bat, I'm sure there are lots of people watching your show who've been involved in some physical altercation or had to deal with Belize.

00:14:15.260 Belize do not often come up and just trust one person of a two party feud.

00:14:20.300 Especially one's down.

00:14:22.180 Right.

00:14:22.540 And claiming that he can't breathe.

00:14:24.560 And has been stabbed.

00:14:26.260 Multiple times in the chest.

00:14:27.640 And instead you argue with him.

00:14:28.960 I don't think you have, actually.

00:14:31.900 Sorry to laugh.

00:14:32.920 It's so obscene.

00:14:34.040 No, it is.

00:14:34.600 But it's not really surprising that we're here because we've seen it for so long, at least in my entire lifetime in America.

00:14:42.160 And now this, right?

00:14:43.420 So the protests right now are, we've seen these.

00:14:47.200 This is the wake of Henry Nowak.

00:14:50.500 They say Novak.

00:14:51.760 His family said Novak. 1.00

00:14:52.660 So I think it's like a W thing with the foreigners. 1.00

00:14:56.260 In any event, already this has been happening in the wake of his murder and then Vikram Digwa's conviction. 1.00

00:15:04.640 And what they're mad about is what you said, that nothing's happened to the cops.

00:15:07.840 Absolutely nothing has happened to the cops that let Henry die.

00:15:10.920 And now we're seeing this guy's getting roughed up by the cops.

00:15:14.500 And now we're seeing the same is about to start in Ireland.

00:15:18.620 Here's just a couple of examples of what we're seeing from the media in the wake of this near beheading.

00:15:25.260 The BBC, hold on a second.

00:15:28.440 Wait, I got to read you their headline.

00:15:29.660 Their headline in the BBC on this attempted beheading.

00:15:32.860 A man has been taken to the hospital with serious injuries following a stabbing.

00:15:39.240 Now, Buckley.

00:15:41.200 The man was nearly beheaded with like a sword, basically.

00:15:44.160 Yeah, I mean, the guy was hacking over and over at his neck, was like, had him there, and the man was writhing on the ground.

00:15:50.360 We're not going to show this, but, you know, and the woman's saying, he's trying to cut his head off.

00:15:54.140 He's trying to cut his head off. 0.99

00:15:55.120 Get him. 0.97

00:15:56.160 And you could see him, like, repeatedly stabbing at the neck, trying to, like, hold him down. 0.98

00:16:01.460 It's not like he wasn't saying, I'm going to behead you, but it was a fair conclusion.

00:16:05.880 So this is what they reduced it to, yeah. 0.69

00:16:07.560 Yeah. A man, a man taken to the hospital with serious injuries following a stabbing.

00:16:14.760 Nothing about the perpetrator, nothing about what he had in his hand, nothing about what it appeared to be.

00:16:19.700 New York Times goes to man arrested in brutal stabbing.

00:16:24.440 OK, Newsweek, Belfast stabbing.

00:16:28.240 Police warn of sharing video after brutal attack.

00:16:31.600 And that was the police message today.

00:16:33.280 Don't don't share the video or any pictures from the video.

00:16:35.500 It's too upsetting. Of course.

00:16:36.820 Screw you. Yes, absolutely. Do you think these people have any sense of shame? How could you actually produce a piece of copy like that and then read it on the air? I know. 0.99

00:16:48.340 I think they think they're being the protectors of the poor immigrant community that bullies like Buckley and Meghan are piling on to.

00:16:55.280 Except there's probably zero evidence that there are any racial attacks against these people.

00:16:59.780 I bet the Irish people, much like the American people, are incredibly charitable and deal with people on an individual basis.

00:17:07.140 And I'm sure it would be revealed that there are many hoaxes in Ireland as there are in America.

00:17:13.480 You should start prosecuting the people who engage in it.

00:17:17.160 Maybe they'll close their border.

00:17:18.560 You know, I mean, maybe look what happened in Sweden.

00:17:21.200 You know, they completely opened their borders to foreigners. 0.94

00:17:24.540 Then they came in, started taking advantage of the Swedish generosity, their socialism. 1.00

00:17:30.560 Yes.

00:17:31.060 And finally, they started kicking them out.

00:17:33.220 It's like Sweden's starting to get back to being Sweden because they realized, oh, this is a very bad idea.

00:17:37.200 And yet for a decade, people maintained it was a lie that there were no-go zones, that ambulances and cops wouldn't go into certain areas. 0.99

00:17:43.600 But, of course, that was absolutely true. 0.99

00:17:45.820 And all those Swedish girls who were raped by gangs, it's obviously reminiscent of what's been going on in England.

00:17:51.540 Yep.

00:17:52.780 Someone needs to be taking,

00:17:54.100 these people need to be held accountable,

00:17:55.660 these elected officials.

00:17:57.040 They need to actually start being,

00:17:58.440 I don't know, you're the lawyer.

00:17:59.680 I don't know what,

00:18:01.220 what is the obstacle actually

00:18:03.280 to holding these people responsible?

00:18:05.280 I mean, in the Henry Novak case,

00:18:06.920 I really think you could make a case

00:18:08.760 for potentially even manslaughter,

00:18:12.500 a reckless indifference to human life.

00:18:14.100 Yes.

00:18:14.440 Slapping the cuffs on a bleeding, dying man,

00:18:16.340 telling him he's not bleeding and dying.

00:18:18.960 Seeing how ghostly he was,

00:18:21.040 not caring not you'd been told on the phone that there'd been an injury and that medical care was

00:18:26.720 necessary and you show up so cavalierly and not and don't even do an investigation to see whether

00:18:31.240 this this is the man who's hurt um stabbed five times and you don't know it i mean i i think you

00:18:36.780 could make a case there elsewhere it's just a matter of replacing your politicians right like

00:18:42.360 gaining rid of the bad and getting rid of the good i mean that's one good thing that trump has

00:18:45.800 done which is close the southern border and there's only one democrat promising to keep it

00:18:49.860 close and that's Rahm Emanuel. And we haven't received that promise from anybody else, nor is

00:18:54.480 the media even interested in asking the others in the preliminary interview rounds, whether that

00:18:59.780 might be something they do. And they're more interested in defunding ICE. So that's what

00:19:03.540 we're stuck with. It's atrocious. I know. So, all right, I'm going to get back to more of these

00:19:09.380 news headlines, but I want to, I want to talk about you Buckley. All right. So you are two

00:19:16.720 years younger than tucker did we mention that yes slightly less than two years okay two years

00:19:21.180 younger just about so was there one grade between you he was like a there was one grade between us

00:19:26.700 we were very close our entire lives we grew up primarily with my father yeah when we were really

00:19:32.340 young i know about your mom tucker and i have talked about your biological mom split what he

00:19:37.260 was six and you were four yes exactly right which is like it's horrendous i mean it's horrifying

00:19:44.020 Some people just aren't suited to it.

00:19:45.840 I know, but it's like, that must be so devastated.

00:19:48.300 Do you have a memory of her?

00:19:49.740 I have a lot of memories of her.

00:19:51.640 None of them are very complimentary.

00:19:53.960 Although I will say she was physically attractive.

00:19:56.420 She was smart.

00:19:57.180 She was articulate.

00:19:58.280 She was probably great to be at a cocktail party with.

00:20:01.100 She had a lot of personality. 1.00

00:20:02.740 She was unstable. 1.00

00:20:04.640 She was a bit of a maniac. 1.00

00:20:09.140 And she didn't take to parenthood. 1.00

00:20:12.040 I guess that happens.

00:20:13.780 I can, you know, you have children, it's the biggest blessing in the world.

00:20:17.380 Yeah.

00:20:18.300 She didn't have that.

00:20:19.380 However, my father assumed both those responsibilities at a young age, fought for us.

00:20:25.500 You got very lucky there.

00:20:27.080 Very lucky.

00:20:28.160 Your dad sounds like he was so incredible.

00:20:31.120 I wish I had known him.

00:20:32.580 I wish you had too.

00:20:33.480 I mean, the obit for him was, it just, he came alive on the paper where you're like,

00:20:38.720 oh my God, what a man.

00:20:40.060 Plus, that was like a fraction of his life.

00:20:42.260 So I gleaned just in getting ready for today.

00:20:44.520 So tell us a little bit about him.

00:20:46.100 And because he, though he had a very active career,

00:20:48.220 he was a very active father.

00:20:49.820 And there's a reason you Carlson's wound up like this.

00:20:53.480 I mean, just like feisty and fiery

00:20:55.400 and fiercely independent and bucking trends

00:20:57.700 and pretty fearless.

00:20:59.180 He was interested in everything.

00:21:00.960 He had, I'm sorry, he had started off as an orphan in Boston,

00:21:03.920 actually at an orphanage called the Home for Little Wanderers,

00:21:07.400 was adopted by a family, then re-adopted by another family.

00:21:11.160 What happened there?

00:21:11.760 The first family didn't want him?

00:21:13.200 They had a policy, I think, that they used to have in America,

00:21:15.700 which was put them with someone who was culturally similar,

00:21:19.020 people who haven't had children, actually.

00:21:21.020 That was a premium.

00:21:22.180 Don't give an infant to a family who's already been blessed with children.

00:21:28.280 So a family stepped in, really nice Swedish family,

00:21:31.720 had him for exactly two years.

00:21:33.920 And then one day the orphanage showed up and said,

00:21:36.840 we've got another family for you.

00:21:38.120 So, and they were perfectly nice people and hardworking and Christian and kind.

00:21:46.980 And they took him in.

00:21:47.940 He always knew he was adopted, always knew he was different.

00:21:51.240 Read books extensively from a young age, always engaged in serious adventure, was a total nonconformist.

00:21:59.720 Totally self-educated.

00:22:01.420 Totally self-educated.

00:22:03.440 Went to, I think, one semester of high school.

00:22:07.260 No, got kicked out of three separate high schools.

00:22:10.580 And he was wild.

00:22:12.120 And then ended up enrolling himself in the Naval Academy Prep School and was there.

00:22:17.060 And then went to Ole Miss for a semester when James Meredith was there and all those riots.

00:22:22.620 And then left and then went, as so many adventurous individuals did, went to California at, I think, 19.

00:22:32.440 Became a copy boy for the L.A. Times.

00:22:35.100 showed up in their office and said why not me i'm here yes and then was an independent

00:22:41.060 journalist although had worked for abc worked for abc worked for mbc was eventually in television

00:22:47.080 and was a media guy for an investigative reporter for most of his career and then he

00:22:56.320 joined the administration of reagan and ran the voice of america during the cold war

00:23:02.280 Mm-hmm. And you talked about how when you were growing up in that household with your dad, who was determined to raise good young men, his library was your favorite room in the house.

00:23:15.260 It was enormous, actually. And it was populated exclusively by every kind of book. All my father's books, he'd read every single one of them, not all in completion, but his passions were endless.

00:23:30.120 He knew, he investigated everything and read about everything.

00:23:34.900 So it was really an amazing compilation, his library.

00:23:40.420 And he taught us to read at a young age and was constantly giving us adult books

00:23:43.940 and taking us with him on stories that he did.

00:23:48.900 Traveled around with him quite a bit, actually.

00:23:52.500 Yes, but his library was a particular sanctuary in that house that we were growing up in

00:23:58.220 And then every subsequent house, he had, I think, 15 or 17,000 books in his library when he died.

00:24:05.960 That's incredible.

00:24:06.840 And my brother's gone through all of them and recreated a library in his honor.

00:24:10.600 I was going to say, Tucker is proud of the fact that whenever he talked about his books, that he's read them all.

00:24:14.480 Like, they're not showpieces.

00:24:16.040 Yes, absolutely.

00:24:17.160 No, they're dog-eared.

00:24:17.960 They have cocktail napkins in them from special dinners. 0.50

00:24:21.160 You know, all sorts of Carlson-Elia picked up throughout the world.

00:24:26.740 And so you can pull a book off a shelf and it's like a treasure hunt.

00:24:32.100 But in the meantime, he was taking the time to write you guys little notes in your lunch pails, in your lunch bags, like a lyric or a limerick or something just to let you know he cared.

00:24:43.060 So, I mean, that's pretty extraordinary, especially given the time in the 1970s.

00:24:48.440 You know, we hadn't yet gotten the memo that that might be a good thing for a dad to be.

00:24:54.620 He took a great interest in both of us and was highly communicative and always made it very clear that you seek out the truth, you defend the truth.

00:25:03.920 The truth is your best defense.

00:25:05.500 He believed that like few other people have seen.

00:25:08.220 He embodied that in his life.

00:25:09.880 He said, don't waste a moment, don't waste an opportunity, and lead an interesting life.

00:25:15.680 That's all he cared about.

00:25:16.620 That and his work ethic was extreme.

00:25:19.860 Never do anything unless you're doing it to the best of your ability.

00:25:23.580 I know that used to be common in the America we grew up in.

00:25:26.660 Don't complain.

00:25:28.200 Be an individual.

00:25:29.000 Be loyal to the ones you love, to your country, to God.

00:25:32.340 And be surrounded by as many dogs as you.

00:25:34.440 Yes.

00:25:34.860 As you can.

00:25:35.360 I know this is your, and you apparently judge people on whether they have a dog.

00:25:39.640 I have two dogs.

00:25:40.580 I'd love to make it just one.

00:25:42.360 I know you love dogs so much.

00:25:44.600 I heard you have a rascal.

00:25:47.180 I have a red boy who would love some time out on the hunting circuit with the Carlson's.

00:25:52.900 All right, no, wait, back to you.

00:25:54.760 Can I just interject?

00:25:56.160 Yeah.

00:25:56.420 It is true.

00:25:57.400 I don't judge people on anything.

00:25:58.800 Look, I'm an incredibly flawed human being.

00:26:01.380 I try to lead a virtuous life and a good life, and I absolutely believe in God.

00:26:06.440 But like everybody, I've been a sinner and made mistakes.

00:26:09.320 I do not judge other people except on the way they raise their children, whether their children like them, because I think you have some control over that.

00:26:19.040 It depends on how much time you spend with your children.

00:26:21.140 If you focus on your children, if you're honest with your children, and whether or not you have dogs.

00:26:27.160 I know some people can't, but you should if you can.

00:26:31.860 Sorry, I just wanted to...

00:26:33.200 No, I love the conversation.

00:26:34.840 It makes me look very good because I have these dogs and I've kept this second dog.

00:26:39.160 Notwithstanding tens of thousands of dollars of damage, he's done.

00:26:42.980 This boy.

00:26:44.180 You name it, he's done it.

00:26:46.080 On the bright side, we found out that he is literally indestructible. 0.97

00:26:48.640 um so that's my strut back okay i have a dog just like this you do we call her autistic

00:26:54.840 she's the only like specialty dog we have a lot of um we have a three-legged dogo argentino that

00:27:00.500 we that we inherited that we adopted and but she's our only specific dog she's a quail dog

00:27:05.620 she's tiny she's a combination of actually can i tell you her provenance story for one second yeah

00:27:10.840 so she comes from an enormous piece of property in florida privately owned by the same family for

00:27:16.040 like 100 years and they do a lot of bird shooting on it and it's like 300 000 acres so it's very

00:27:22.480 well contained and they've been raising upland bird dogs for 60 years upland english cockers

00:27:28.340 and five years ago a townie chihuahua broke into the property found the lead bitch and so my girl

00:27:35.200 is the second generation she's combination one quarter chihuahua three quarters english cocker 1.00

00:27:40.240 and she is absolutely relentless. 1.00

00:27:42.520 We call her an effing rascal. 1.00

00:27:44.200 She's autistic.

00:27:45.340 She's so loving. 0.97

00:27:46.680 You said you're a rascal.

00:27:48.620 Mine in five years has been in the hospital 42 times. 0.64

00:27:53.380 Oh my. 0.77

00:27:54.200 The last time she,

00:27:56.180 I was actually repairing a pair of trousers 1.00

00:27:58.260 and she leaned over and sucked down 1.00

00:28:00.220 a two and a half inch upholstery needle. 1.00

00:28:03.080 Oh, come on.

00:28:04.160 And then closed her mouth 1.00

00:28:05.120 and I grabbed her mouth and tried to pull it out.

00:28:06.620 It disappeared.

00:28:08.120 I immediately called my brother

00:28:09.440 And I said, oh, my gosh, Chief swallowed this needle.

00:28:13.700 His first words were, she's had a good life.

00:28:17.140 And I said, no, no, no.

00:28:18.580 Click.

00:28:19.460 Call my vet.

00:28:20.200 This is not helpful.

00:28:20.800 No, it was not helpful at all.

00:28:21.920 And I called my vet, and they said, oh, come here now.

00:28:24.420 And I raised, and it had made it through her mouth, her esophagus, her throat, into her belly. 0.97

00:28:28.580 Oh, God. 0.52

00:28:29.260 Unmolested.

00:28:29.720 It was not going to go further south after that without damage.

00:28:32.740 And they had to interact it.

00:28:34.400 Well, I didn't get it.

00:28:35.280 Yeah, they got it.

00:28:35.960 I had to pay someone. 0.99

00:28:37.160 Flick it off the throat.

00:28:37.960 But dog insurance, very important. 0.92

00:28:39.560 Yes.

00:28:40.400 You know, friends of ours had this.

00:28:41.560 They have a Bernese Mountain Dog.

00:28:42.880 I love Bernese.

00:28:43.860 And the Bernese Mountain Dog ate, they like to eat socks.

00:28:46.480 Apparently they're infamous for this.

00:28:48.280 And mops. 1.00

00:28:48.760 It ate a sock and it needed a surgery to get the sock out because they don't pass the socks.

00:28:54.540 So they had to spend $10,000 on a surgery for the sock.

00:28:59.640 Came back home, recovered, ate another one.

00:29:04.780 And the dad said, so the dog's totaled, right?

00:29:09.260 He's totaled.

00:29:10.340 Like, you don't, we're not, right?

00:29:12.060 Of course, you know, the wife had the Bernese Mountain Dog back at the vet that afternoon.

00:29:16.880 The dog was not totaled.

00:29:18.180 The dog was saved.

00:29:19.440 The budget was totaled.

00:29:22.900 I know, they're so naughty.

00:29:24.200 I would live in a box on the sidewalk before I would not pay for a surgery.

00:29:29.140 I know.

00:29:29.640 Same.

00:29:30.000 We had to pay a couple of Halloweens ago $7,000 for an endoscopy for Strudwick because he wasn't going to the bathroom at all.

00:29:37.860 We're like, what's going on?

00:29:38.920 And now he's not eating.

00:29:40.260 That's not a good sign.

00:29:42.100 So we take him in.

00:29:43.200 He gets the endoscopy.

00:29:44.240 Do you know what?

00:29:45.200 Avid listeners to the show know what it was because I posted it in the newsletter.

00:29:48.960 He had eaten one of those wax set of lips that come out around Halloween.

00:29:55.440 We glued it on this pumpkin.

00:29:57.720 We were making like a funny face on the pumpkin, and he got the pumpkin and ate the wax lips, and we just hadn't noticed that it was gone.

00:30:04.880 And that's $7,000 later, found out it was.

00:30:08.700 He couldn't pass wax.

00:30:10.920 I don't know.

00:30:11.820 Who knows these things?

00:30:12.680 It's like, who can keep up?

00:30:14.080 All right.

00:30:14.400 Now, back to you and your childhood, because I do want to get to this.

00:30:17.060 So you did wind up getting a stepmom.

00:30:20.180 Yes, we did.

00:30:20.480 Who became really your mother.

00:30:22.780 Absolutely.

00:30:23.180 This is, for better or worse, the heir to the Swanson's chicken fortune.

00:30:28.040 Yes.

00:30:28.700 So, I mean, it's nice to grow up with some dough, right?

00:30:31.820 You got some dough.

00:30:33.120 I mean, I didn't personally.

00:30:34.640 Yeah, but like you grew up around it.

00:30:35.860 They did.

00:30:36.600 I mean, we had a comfortable life growing up for sure.

00:30:40.400 We had an interesting life.

00:30:41.240 My parents didn't spoil us at all.

00:30:42.920 They didn't tolerate any kind of entitlement.

00:30:46.240 I mean, your brother's not even like allowed to use the word I.

00:30:49.100 So I'm sure you were not spoiled.

00:30:51.580 Also strive not to use that.

00:30:53.960 I almost never use that.

00:30:56.180 No.

00:30:57.180 No.

00:30:57.720 Hard to communicate without it.

00:30:59.860 It is.

00:31:03.380 Yeah, we were blessed because we needed a woman in our lives.

00:31:08.100 Yeah.

00:31:08.320 In our life.

00:31:09.000 And she was an extraordinary person and had had an unhappy earlier life, had a weird childhood.

00:31:17.140 But she became a very strong Christian.

00:31:19.800 She was very strong.

00:31:20.620 Like so many people who are worried about the minutia, and I think moms get some credit for being worried about the little things, and she certainly was and was communicative of it.

00:31:31.340 But whenever there was a big problem, she was probably the calmest in the family and most faithful about that.

00:31:37.880 And she deferred to my father on disciplinary stuff and guidance mostly.

00:31:43.240 He assumed that role.

00:31:44.480 But she was a super loving, and their love affair was amazing.

00:31:50.800 She made him a better person.

00:31:52.380 She made us better boys. 1.00

00:31:55.920 Probably better husbands. 1.00

00:31:57.320 And 100%, no doubt about it.

00:32:00.880 And they died within, she preceded him in death by a year.

00:32:05.580 and I was talking to my son about this yesterday

00:32:07.680 because someone he knows just died, an older couple.

00:32:11.060 I'm saying that is testament to a really loving relationship

00:32:14.440 when you see that,

00:32:15.700 when you see people who've been married for a long time

00:32:17.480 and one of them dies and the other one

00:32:18.720 just basically surrenders the next year.

00:32:22.120 If they know where they're going

00:32:23.260 and they know they're going to be reunited

00:32:24.660 with the love of their life.

00:32:26.100 Doug and I are going hand in hand at 100,

00:32:28.640 same time, same night.

00:32:30.360 We've got it all planned out.

00:32:31.960 We worked it out with God.

00:32:33.240 He said, it's fine.

00:32:34.480 We haven't been great,

00:32:35.500 but we've been good enough that he said we could have that one.

00:32:37.420 It is the ideal.

00:32:38.900 I know.

00:32:39.500 You know, I'm reminded often that the General Mills inventor of Lucky Charms,

00:32:45.420 forgot his name, died in a head-on collision with his wife next to him

00:32:50.580 in his either, I think, early 90s.

00:32:53.240 Probably shouldn't have been driving.

00:32:54.600 Yeah, right.

00:32:55.160 It's a pretty great way to go.

00:32:56.240 I mean, that or like an explosion where you don't know, you know?

00:33:00.240 I'm not trying to give anybody any ideas.

00:33:01.760 I'm just saying, like, one second you're fine, and the next second you're, you know, you've moved on.

00:33:07.020 We do often talk about the apogee of love and how nice that would be, at least for one of us.

00:33:12.240 It would be pretty traumatizing for the other.

00:33:15.040 Yes, there is that.

00:33:17.300 So now, is it, tell me if you don't want to go there, but I've heard Tucker talk about the fact that your dad, as it turns out, may have been in the CIA.

00:33:26.300 Yes, and he gets, and yes, we didn't know that.

00:33:28.720 We knew that he was adjacent to it, for sure.

00:33:31.760 Sure, he worked for the United States Information Agency.

00:33:34.900 Okay, and journalists a lot of times get co-opted.

00:33:37.060 I haven't been co-opted into the CIA, but.

00:33:39.340 And I actually don't think.

00:33:39.920 I'd love to get an offer.

00:33:42.000 100%.

00:33:42.380 Why not me?

00:33:43.080 Yes, absolutely.

00:33:44.280 No, it didn't happen.

00:33:45.860 It was a much different time.

00:33:47.420 I mean, it was during the Cold War.

00:33:48.380 So we had very clearly defined goals as a country, very clearly defined enemies, very clearly defined principles that we were upholding.

00:33:55.440 And so he was a huge believer in America and Americans and our liberty and Christianity.

00:34:03.780 And, you know, he was he was an American patriot for sure.

00:34:08.940 So he never did anything that would have been contrary to that.

00:34:13.800 I don't know the extent of it.

00:34:15.840 I only know that we got confirmation for sure.

00:34:18.760 Tucker and I had talked about it periodically in our lives because my father knew a lot of people in that world, so they were around us a lot.

00:34:30.760 But we never confronted him about it, which is weird because we talked to him about absolutely everything, never asked him that.

00:34:38.720 And then a week after he died, someone contacted us, wrote us a letter about it, wrote us a letter about his service.

00:34:47.060 Oh, really?

00:34:47.800 Yes.

00:34:48.900 That's pretty noble.

00:34:50.300 I thought so.

00:34:51.200 To let you know that there was this piece of him that was also incredible.

00:34:54.680 It was worth celebrating.

00:34:55.920 Yeah, dynamic, and I'm sure fascinating.

00:34:58.180 Did he have any detail?

00:34:59.060 Like, was he able to enrich you at all on that?

00:35:01.660 He had not enough detail.

00:35:04.260 No.

00:35:05.520 No.

00:35:05.880 This is like a book.

00:35:06.240 And it's been a year, so I haven't.

00:35:07.760 You should spend the next year looking into that and then write a book about it.

00:35:11.280 My father's life was so book worthy.

00:35:13.660 And he wrote a number of books, actually.

00:35:15.300 But he wrote also a number of books that hadn't been published.

00:35:18.040 And he's just – so, yes, I'd like to dedicate some time in my life to investigating that further and writing about it.

00:35:24.020 Well, I'll tell you.

00:35:24.600 So when I was a kid – so my dad was a professor at first Syracuse University and then SUNY Albany.

00:35:30.040 And he taught education.

00:35:32.100 But he flew all over the world to Iran.

00:35:36.000 He was down in Indonesia. 0.66

00:35:37.740 He was all in these, like, weird places for a college professor.

00:35:40.240 So we always like wondered, does he have some sort of secret government role?

00:35:44.620 And he was a great shot, even though we weren't big hunters or anything like that.

00:35:47.960 So it was like sort of a running joke in our family.

00:35:50.600 And I was recently telling my kids about it.

00:35:53.000 And my daughter got so excited about it.

00:35:54.720 She asked ChatGPT or one of the AIs, how do you find out if your grandpa was in the CIA?

00:36:01.620 And the answer was, ask your parents.

00:36:06.980 And that turned out to be a dead end.

00:36:08.520 That failed.

00:36:09.340 I have no idea.

00:36:10.240 I don't think so.

00:36:11.520 Not that I know of.

00:36:12.500 We do, you know, there's always like weird signs and academics were used during the 70s

00:36:17.720 and the 80s for that kind of thing, because they could travel without suspicion.

00:36:21.360 Same as journalists, you know, but my mom says it's not true.

00:36:25.320 And I have no way of knowing whether it's true.

00:36:27.200 And again, they never came calling on me, Buckley.

00:36:29.480 So if he was in the CIA, I guess he wasn't.

00:36:31.660 He must have been a disappointment.

00:36:33.060 Otherwise, they would.

00:36:34.900 I feel like they would have at least give me the letter.

00:36:37.580 Yes, I didn't get the letter.

00:36:39.280 That's pretty great.

00:36:40.300 Anyway.

00:36:41.000 Tucker is assailed endlessly, and I've been assailed endlessly as a Fed.

00:36:44.560 It's like – 1.00

00:36:44.880 It's like the – you're either a Fed or you're gay. 0.99

00:36:47.820 That's the – what they throw at you. 0.97

00:36:50.300 Boy, that assertion, though, that second one, it sure – I never knew how many there were.

00:36:56.040 I mean, well beyond, you know.

00:36:58.000 How many hidden gay people?

00:36:59.440 Yeah, what is it about elected politics and what is it about the Republican Party specifically that encourages them? 1.00

00:37:05.900 I mean, we need to have – deviant sexual life should not be part of government service because it obviously – obviously you've got weird priorities, but it opens you up to lots of leverage, obviously.

00:37:18.540 So is it – do they recruit people who have deviant sexual lives or is there something about power, people who – 0.76

00:37:27.520 Well, if you are out as a gay man in 2026 America, you're fine. 0.94

00:37:32.300 No one cares. 0.97

00:37:33.580 But if you're hiding it –

00:37:34.840 I think you're still celebrated.

00:37:35.240 Yes.

00:37:35.720 I think, isn't that the norm or isn't that the ideal? 0.97

00:37:38.740 If you're married to a woman and you're gay, it's a much bigger deal. 0.99

00:37:42.060 Yeah, absolutely. 1.00

00:37:43.300 And we have so many of those who are obviously with beards. 0.98

00:37:47.320 You know, it's like we know she's a – who – I don't understand the women who volunteer to be a beard. 0.98

00:37:52.660 Like, you know you're a beard. 0.99

00:37:54.000 We can tell just from your husband's affect and the way he behaves that he's gay. 1.00

00:37:58.720 You sleep with him, so you can definitely tell. 1.00

00:38:02.160 So why would you agree to that?

00:38:03.780 someone needs to just study on that i don't understand it and by the way yes no one no

00:38:09.580 one successfully keeps that hidden it's obvious to anyone very well i mean it it's on team dem

00:38:16.000 you still you have a lot who are like i understand closeted republicans because it seems to be it's

00:38:21.360 the party that's a little bit more traditionally conservative in terms of its you know social

00:38:26.080 behaviors. The Democrats are like, you know, they're celebrating men with breasts and they 0.92

00:38:32.600 are saying, you know, referring to women as just vagina havers. I mean, it's like that you can be 0.98

00:38:38.160 anything and be elected as a Democrat. And yet, I don't know. It seems pretty clear to me. It's

00:38:43.400 just my opinion. James Tallarico seems on fire. Yes. Claims he's straight. Cory Booker and his

00:38:48.920 weird fake wedding photos that he looks very gay. Sorry. I just maybe I'm wrong. I'm just saying 0.68

00:38:54.680 That's how you project.

00:38:55.980 We could be here a while if we go down the list.

00:38:58.280 I don't, in 2026 America, this is unnecessary.

00:39:00.780 Yes, absolutely.

00:39:02.220 Anyway, yeah, Lindsey, that's another one. 0.65

00:39:04.440 And that's probably the most offensive

00:39:06.000 because he said on camera that he'd be perfectly willing,

00:39:08.220 not just perfectly willing,

00:39:09.220 but eager to send your children to fight Israel's war.

00:39:12.300 Yeah. 0.82

00:39:12.720 Why is that acceptable?

00:39:13.800 I'm really holding out hope.

00:39:14.900 I woke up one of my early prayers this morning

00:39:16.520 was that the excellent voters of South Carolina

00:39:19.460 will reject Lindsey Graham in this primary today

00:39:22.620 and Mark Lynch, and we'll see.

00:39:24.860 I've seen some encouraging numbers.

00:39:26.220 It's kind of hard to believe.

00:39:26.760 I hope you're right.

00:39:27.680 I don't know.

00:39:28.460 What do you think is going to happen with Graham Plattner

00:39:29.840 from Maine, the state you have?

00:39:31.860 I think it seems inevitable he's going to be in.

00:39:34.620 He's going to beat Susan Collins.

00:39:35.920 Yeah, it seems like.

00:39:37.100 I mean, obviously, today's just a primary,

00:39:38.740 but the general's coming up in November.

00:39:40.160 And how will that affect the GOP caucus, I wonder,

00:39:42.800 because she's such a reliable conservative.

00:39:45.380 I mean, I know you've been talking a lot

00:39:48.400 about the uniparty lately, and you have a decent point. 1.00

00:39:51.580 It's like, how will any of this affect any of our lives in any material way?

00:39:56.240 When 88% of the country wants transparency in elections, they want safe elections, and they've just given up on that.

00:40:02.600 I guess now they have given up on it completely.

00:40:04.840 It's dead.

00:40:05.660 The SAVE Act will not be revived.

00:40:07.140 Is that what I understand?

00:40:08.240 Yeah, no, it's dead.

00:40:09.860 But yet on a voice vote, they can basically confirm that our military and Israel's military should be merged.

00:40:15.660 Yeah, that we're now – there's some sort of merger happening, especially when it comes to intelligence.

00:40:21.580 Yes. Which at a time in which the poll was just out today that fewer Americans are supportive of Israel than ever before.

00:40:28.080 It's finally flipped. And the numbers were vastly in Israel's favor.

00:40:32.600 The majority well over 50 percent was like 57 percent, I think, around October 7th of 23 when they were attacked.

00:40:39.660 And it's completely flipped now. So why would we be getting closer to them militarily?

00:40:44.300 Why don't the American people have say in that? Yes, absolutely.

00:40:47.080 They're pretty clear about it.

00:40:48.440 66% or something of Americans say that we're too closely.

00:40:52.360 Well, and it was like a favor versus unfavor when it comes to Israel and Palestine.

00:40:57.180 Do I have it here?

00:40:57.860 I'll try to find it.

00:40:59.640 Oh, let's stand by.

00:41:03.020 Oh, I don't know.

00:41:03.560 I have so many things that I screen grabbed.

00:41:04.960 I can't find it, but I'll get it for you and we can talk about it.

00:41:07.740 Well, on the heels of the anniversary, since this is kind of a good opener, I don't know if you realize, obviously, Thomas Mazze gave the speech.

00:41:13.960 She's the first member of Congress actually to recognize the victims of the USS Liberty 59 years later, the very first one to ever do that in Congress.

00:41:23.180 And he he had 12 survivors in the chambers with him.

00:41:27.580 And he asked he passed he wants to pass a resolution that says let's have an arrest investigation.

00:41:32.920 Do you know that Donald Trump has never once spoken publicly about not issued a tweet, not issued any talking point about the USS Liberty?

00:41:40.740 and no one else in the in the caucus no one else in congress rokan has gotten close but as far as

00:41:47.020 i can tell from this morning not a single person has said that they would support the victims of

00:41:52.280 the uss liberty when it's clear that israel attacked our men clear that the u.s president

00:41:59.120 at the time lbj actually approved of the sixth fleet turning around and leaving them to be

00:42:05.680 attacked further. And learned last night from a FOIA request from someone that actually it's in

00:42:11.440 writing that the U.S. government had considered sinking the remains of the USS Liberty so no one

00:42:17.580 could take a picture of the USS Liberty and thereby damage public perception of Israel and

00:42:23.540 question our relationship with Israel. That was back in 1967. But I was shocked, sorry, I was

00:42:30.220 I'm shocked that not a single other elected official in America has the balls or has, yeah, the balls were the patriotism or the compassion to even recognize these guys who've been so trampled upon, aside from being killed, but they were, they've been thoroughly disrespected in the worst kind of way with our own government.

00:42:51.860 You can say whatever you want about our government, but not theirs. 0.86

00:42:56.800 Yes.

00:42:57.580 I mean, I think most of us have learned that firsthand, the hard way.

00:43:01.260 Yes.

00:43:01.960 I mean, I have been absolutely brutal on our own presidents, from Barack Obama to Joe Biden.

00:43:07.900 And, of course, I've been critical of Donald Trump, where he deserves it, too.

00:43:12.560 And no problem.

00:43:14.180 You know, some people don't like the Trump stuff.

00:43:15.720 But, okay, fine.

00:43:16.620 You know, I'm allowed to say it.

00:43:17.960 Yes.

00:43:18.320 And most of my audience says, fine, yeah, we understand sometimes you're critical, sometimes you're supportive.

00:43:23.800 But you get to Israel, and there is a certain faction of the conservative movement who will tell you it's a hard no, that you're a grifter, that whatever.

00:43:35.700 You get the bots.

00:43:36.520 I see you're getting attacked by the bots nonstop online too.

00:43:39.820 And there's like an apparatus that immediately turns on you.

00:43:43.120 So who is that?

00:43:43.900 Who is effectively trying to veto any anything, whether it's Tom Massey's congressional seat or a podcaster like me or Tucker trying to talk about this or you on social media raising these points?

00:43:57.540 Who's who's doing that?

00:43:59.200 I'm this little guy on social media.

00:44:00.520 Well, I mean, they've been pretty upfront, actually.

00:44:02.880 I mean, it's been written about how much money they've devoted.

00:44:05.140 I would say it's our money because we entirely support Israel.

00:44:08.240 So any money they have to set aside $750 million in a propaganda campaign or hiring Brad Parscale.

00:44:16.160 Yeah.

00:44:16.700 It's kind of shocking, actually.

00:44:17.740 Who runs Salem Media and had to register as a foreign agent for a foreign government.

00:44:21.980 And I seem to recall, actually, when he ran the second, the Trump reelect, that, like, millions of dollars had disappeared from the campaign.

00:44:28.260 I'm obviously not assailing him personally, but it seems odd that he would be in charge of it.

00:44:31.640 That I don't know.

00:44:32.860 Oh, yes.

00:44:33.320 million many millions of dollars disappeared from the trump campaign apparently and he was in charge

00:44:38.100 of it so the idea that he's now got a lot of time in his hands and he's up front about being a paid

00:44:43.000 at least he's up front about being yeah well apparently it was so significant he had no choice

00:44:47.740 i mean it's the ones who are you really have to worry about are like the ones who are taking boat

00:44:52.300 loans of dough and don't disclose and are just trying to get away with it and then there are the

00:44:56.120 other ones where it's like less of an a form an official relationship but they just need the pat

00:45:00.460 on the head, Buckley. They just need those little snaps that they get from the Israel firsters of 0.96

00:45:05.780 like, thank you so much for defending Israel. You know what? It's fine to be critical of Israel.

00:45:11.640 Like, how is it some sin to have an issue with Israel's foreign policy or Israel getting us 0.92

00:45:17.680 into a war? How does that make you immediately an anti-Semite or a bad person? I question the

00:45:23.000 people who are uniformly defensive of a foreign country or even of our country.

00:45:27.620 I grew up in Southern California on the border with Mexico. 0.98

00:45:30.660 Mexico has been flooded by Mexicans. 0.88

00:45:32.700 The Mexican government has been complicit in pushing people into our country. 0.94

00:45:37.100 The Mexican government has pushed a ton of fentanyl into our country. 0.78

00:45:39.500 Mexican government has had an incredibly bad effect on America and on the West. 0.81

00:45:45.480 If you say that, do people say, oh, you hate Mexicans? 1.00

00:45:48.460 Yeah, right.

00:45:48.960 Absolutely not.

00:45:50.000 Absolutely not.

00:45:51.200 Like, treat people as individuals, you know, hold people responsible for their actions,

00:45:55.400 hold governments responsible for their actions.

00:45:57.700 I'm sorry, we're supposed to hate Vladimir Putin,

00:46:00.440 but we're not allowed to criticize Bibi Netanyahu

00:46:04.480 when he's less popular in his own country and less popular here.

00:46:10.760 No, it's not defensible on its face,

00:46:14.920 so I don't know how these people can make that argument

00:46:17.260 that you're an anti-Semite or hate Jews

00:46:20.520 because you're questioning a foreign power that has had such an effect

00:46:24.640 And it has a sort of a stranglehold, obviously, not just on our foreign policy, but has a huge effect on Donald Trump and the rest of the elected officials who've neglected and are disdainful towards the American people who gave them this power, who put them in power and tolerated them thus far, but don't seem like they have a huge appetite for tolerating it going forward.

00:46:46.500 No, it seems clear Trump wants this war done.

00:46:49.480 Yes.

00:46:49.980 The only real question now is whether that will be allowed.

00:46:53.460 Do you think it's a sign of strength for him to say, as he did last week,

00:46:58.020 I'm the one who holds the power.

00:46:59.420 I'm the one who holds the power.

00:47:00.880 Not really.

00:47:01.800 Now I've never heard anybody in your own, in your marriage.

00:47:05.080 I'm sure you guys don't know each other.

00:47:07.080 No, me.

00:47:08.480 Me.

00:47:09.580 Yeah, no, it's not great.

00:47:11.480 You can see he's frustrated with the messaging around this.

00:47:14.420 You know, he doesn't like people to think that he's being controlled by Netanyahu.

00:47:19.420 That's obvious.

00:47:20.640 Yes.

00:47:21.220 Right now they're sort of publicly feuding, not really, but Trump is, you know, he obviously

00:47:28.100 he let it leak that he had this contentious phone call with Netanyahu, which he swore

00:47:32.300 at him.

00:47:33.220 He wants him to stop bombing Lebanon, but Israel says it's Lebanon that's bombing us, not

00:47:37.780 Lebanon, but Hezbollah that's bombing us and we have the right to defend ourselves.

00:47:41.820 And now we just got Mark Levin, who's basically the mouthpiece for Israel, whatever he's saying

00:47:46.880 is what Israel once said, who came out last night and was sort of attacking President Trump.

00:47:54.340 I'm going to show you what he's saying. And my only question for you really, Buckley, is,

00:47:57.700 is he actually turning on Trump? Because Trump, the neocons really want Trump to double down on

00:48:01.560 the fighting with Iran. They want bombs away. Let's wipe them into the next century.

00:48:07.620 And he's not going to do that, reportedly. So it's either his frustration that Trump's not

00:48:12.740 going to do that, that we're about to see. Or there are some people online who believe, like

00:48:17.380 Cenk Uyghur was suggesting, is this some sort of an op where they're trying to make it look like

00:48:22.200 they're feuding and they're actually about to do a new bombing? There are some reports about some

00:48:27.860 movements, I think, of the 82nd Airborne and whether they're getting a little too close to

00:48:33.940 Karg Island. I don't know. You listen to Mark Levin and you tell me whether this is real.

00:48:37.940 Maybe we'll know once the negotiators have been killed.

00:48:41.320 Oh, yes.

00:48:42.860 That's always a good sign.

00:48:44.020 That's a good tell.

00:48:45.360 All right, here he is.

00:48:45.960 I don't know why the president of the United States feels the need to keep going to left-wing reporters

00:48:50.640 and talking about confidential conversations he has with the prime minister of Israel.

00:48:59.540 And I don't know why he keeps bashing the prime minister of Israel,

00:49:03.560 who's trying to protect his country and his own people.

00:49:05.780 just a few weeks ago

00:49:08.680 their fighter jets were fighting right alongside

00:49:10.700 ours

00:49:11.320 the Mossad was working with the CIA

00:49:14.980 and of course

00:49:18.600 the Prime Minister was working with the President

00:49:20.520 in what was a spectacular military

00:49:24.720 operation

00:49:25.340 I know the President is deeply desperate for a deal 0.97

00:49:28.800 the Iranians

00:49:30.760 know he's deeply desperate for a deal

00:49:32.380 the whole world knows he's deeply desperate for a deal

00:49:34.840 got it

00:49:35.340 and Israel's told it can only fight a defensive war

00:49:38.220 and Israel's told to stay away from Beirut

00:49:40.160 even though the head of the snake is right outside of Beirut 0.95

00:49:43.560 the hypocrisy of our country that wouldn't put up with it 0.99

00:49:47.120 in the treatment of that country is ridiculous 0.94

00:49:49.960 in fact we don't ask any other country to do that

00:49:54.960 none

00:49:55.480 so why the constant beating up of Netanyahu

00:50:01.360 in fact there was an announcement from the White House last night

00:50:04.140 saying we had nothing to do with this our our military is not involved and i commented

00:50:08.780 well that's nothing to be proud of our military is not involved their military wouldn't exist

00:50:15.900 without the largest of the american taxpayer he's just talking about the latest strikes right of

00:50:20.100 course uh i also thought it was interesting that he said that massad and the cia had been working

00:50:24.860 together oh that's a novel idea i think they've been bedfellows for a long time yeah um do i think

00:50:31.860 it's an op i don't know i mean it's hard to believe again he's out there testing messages

00:50:35.800 obviously mark levin is in the crudest and and boy i'm glad i've got low blood pressure because

00:50:42.680 just listening to his voice i can't believe he's got a career on radio it's like the most grating 0.51

00:50:47.220 irritating whiny nonsense i've heard um he's gonna abandon trump in about two seconds if trump does

00:50:54.500 not go through with another bombing campaign well he's fluctuated a lot in his support or 0.86

00:51:00.120 attacks of trump i mean he's wasn't an anti never trumper for oh yeah he hated trump not just trump

00:51:06.120 the man but actually the perfectly achievable you know maga program that trump should be focused on

00:51:12.980 engaging in a war that's going to be no i think the levins of the world treat trump like he's you 0.95

00:51:18.580 know i don't want to say useful idiot because i'm not sure they view him that disdainfully but 0.90

00:51:22.360 certainly just like a useful tool to enact their neocon agenda and now that trump has realized this 0.95

00:51:27.900 is a disaster for the United States, and I think he'd like to have it back if he could get it back.

00:51:33.640 They're starting to ramp it up. This is not okay. It's not okay. Do you think, by the way,

00:51:38.400 do you think that's an opportunity for him? Do you think it's gone too far? Do you think if he

00:51:41.580 pulled out of Iraq in a way that we were able to maintain our interest, pulled out of Iran,

00:51:46.640 obviously, to maintain our interest in the region and focus on American priorities and

00:51:52.280 push Israel away and say we're no longer tolerating this? Do you think the base,

00:51:56.160 Do you think Americans would actually give him a pass?

00:51:59.000 I don't feel.

00:51:59.820 I don't think so.

00:52:00.800 But I think it would be a lot better than doubling down and getting us further entrenched 1.00

00:52:04.860 and, God forbid, seeing more blood and treasure spilled on the lands of Iran, not to mention 1.00

00:52:10.440 what's happening with our economy. 1.00

00:52:11.680 I mean, I just think at this point, it's like, stop the bleeding.

00:52:14.000 But we can't double down on bleeding.

00:52:16.080 All right, stand by.

00:52:16.580 We've got 10 seconds until our break.

00:52:18.700 And then we come back.

00:52:19.520 And Buckley stays with us for our second hour as well.

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00:54:40.920 writer and media strategist buckley carlson is back with me and even the conversation during

00:54:49.380 the break was fascinating guys i mean you're not surprised to hear it um let's spend a minute on

00:54:54.240 we were talking about iran and israel right before the break and now there's breaking news

00:54:58.080 so last night there was um a helicopter that was attacked over the strait of hormuz

00:55:02.400 my hairstylist sarah does not want to hear one more word about the strait of hormuz she calls

00:55:06.800 at the Strait of Hormuz, every time I talk about it, I'm like, she speaks for us all, right? Like,

00:55:11.580 I care about my life. I don't care about the Strait of Hormuz, but I must talk about it

00:55:17.100 because we appear to be launching another war. This helicopter was shot down and there was

00:55:25.100 a question about whether it was one of ours and who did it. It was one of ours. The president

00:55:29.440 has just confirmed this in a post on Truth Social. I have just been informed, he writes,

00:55:34.200 by our great military that last night the Iranians shot down one of our highly sophisticated Apache

00:55:39.120 helicopters while patrolling over the Strait of Hormuz. There were two pilots involved. Both are

00:55:44.460 safe and uninjured. Thank God. Nevertheless, the U.S. must of necessity respond to this attack.

00:55:51.380 Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump. So this is what

00:55:56.420 Professor Pape would call the escalation trap that he's been warning about since the launch

00:56:02.400 of this war that it's kind of like whether you want it or not it's coming yeah yes once you launch

00:56:09.600 a war when donald trump said it was confirmed by our military did he mean that was the intelligence

00:56:14.800 that's so valuable that we get from israel yeah it'd have been i mean who why would why wouldn't

00:56:20.800 their intelligence be superior to ours when it comes to what happened last night in the street

00:56:24.280 of her moves someone famous yesterday said i heard this great quote last night late last night

00:56:29.040 that Benjamin Netanyahu's political life

00:56:33.620 is dependent upon extending this war

00:56:35.520 and Donald Trump's political life

00:56:36.920 is dependent upon ending it.

00:56:38.360 It's been clear from the beginning.

00:56:39.980 Why would he ever saddle America's fortunes

00:56:44.260 with another country?

00:56:45.240 It doesn't matter if we're supposed friends

00:56:47.260 and great allies.

00:56:48.680 I'd argue that there's a lot of evidence that we aren't

00:56:50.940 and they've displayed,

00:56:53.020 they've proven that

00:56:53.980 during these last three months of this war.

00:56:56.140 I would also say not attacking you at all

00:56:58.560 or your hairstylist, and I totally agree, 0.69

00:57:01.140 people who are not familiar with the straight-up-her-mooze

00:57:03.280 until three months ago.

00:57:05.740 But it is important in that it's had a huge effect

00:57:08.620 on everyday Americans and their economic lives.

00:57:11.900 I know.

00:57:13.280 It costs literally 50% more now

00:57:16.280 than it did three months ago to fill your car.

00:57:18.980 Yeah, no, she was saying,

00:57:20.180 all I care about is that it costs $120

00:57:21.760 to fill my gas tank now.

00:57:22.980 Oh, my gosh.

00:57:23.560 Like cheddar cheese, bacon is like 15 bucks a pound.

00:57:26.520 I mean, that is not sustainable.

00:57:28.560 And it's apparently going to get a lot worse, obviously, with the lack of oil, lack of fertilizer, lack of all the things that the world needs.

00:57:37.440 The rarest, some of which are coming out of there, helium.

00:57:41.080 I know.

00:57:42.040 And unfortunately, this is exactly what Netanyahu wants.

00:57:45.900 He wants this to continue.

00:57:47.360 They are served by chaos in the Middle East and by Iran being bogged down in war.

00:57:51.600 And frankly, by us being bogged down in war, we are not.

00:57:55.560 And President Trump definitely is not.

00:57:57.500 The Republican Party definitely is not.

00:58:00.380 And the president—so as we—this is so perfect, isn't it?

00:58:03.620 As we go to break, we're talking about how the neocons are getting mad at Trump

00:58:07.340 because he doesn't want to escalate things in Iran.

00:58:10.280 He wants this thing to end.

00:58:12.180 He's finally pushing back on them, whether it's Netanyahu or Mark Levin.

00:58:16.060 And we go to break, and this drops on Trousseau.

00:58:19.060 Oh, wait.

00:58:20.860 Actually, we're back in.

00:58:23.500 And we must respond.

00:58:25.340 Yes.

00:58:25.980 I don't know.

00:58:26.760 they have a way of getting their way. So hopefully this will be quick and not too escalatory, but

00:58:33.440 this is, this is what happens. I keep going back to what General Stan McChrystal said at the

00:58:37.380 beginning of our invasion of Iran or whatever you want to call it, which was, I hope you really 0.98

00:58:43.040 enjoy the bomb dropping phase of the war for those of you who are in support of this, because 0.99

00:58:47.060 as it, as wars go, that's the best phase. You get to do a lot of damage from the air.

00:58:53.100 You don't tend to lose a lot of men, and you hit a lot of targets, given the great precision and strength of our American military, and then it stops going well.

00:59:02.900 Yes. Yes.

00:59:04.460 I would just say, Alaska, I agree with everything you said completely.

00:59:08.020 I'm just shocked also to the extent to which we have—Trump has undermined the rationale for American power in the region.

00:59:18.340 And I think it's – last night a great example was Iran actually got in the middle of Lebanon and Israel and protected the Lebanese from the incessant shelling from Israel.

00:59:33.120 And then if you consider the situation in the rest of the Gulf countries and how these countries understood that their association with America guaranteed their security, their physical security, but their economic security as well.

00:59:47.280 and then we have completely failed to provide that for them.

00:59:51.320 So obviously the wreckage of this perfectly short war at the moment

00:59:57.880 that is clearly about to get a lot worse has been demonstrably bad

01:00:02.420 and does seem to be getting so much worse.

01:00:04.320 And it was clearly anticipated even by people who only would have to study it

01:00:10.060 for a moment to recognize what the effects would be.

01:00:13.340 And people around Donald Trump certainly knew,

01:00:15.760 and Donald Trump should have known.

01:00:17.280 And given all this past commentary on the subject, he clearly did now.

01:00:22.180 I mean, I think it's been interesting because I've listened to like my friends at National Review and I love Rich Lowry.

01:00:27.660 I think he's a good guy.

01:00:29.040 He was very, very pro.

01:00:30.760 When this first happened, he came on the show and he was pro, I was against.

01:00:34.640 And, you know, we talked about it like friends and he said why he was pro.

01:00:38.440 And they're neocon-y.

01:00:39.660 They're not neocons exactly, but they're neocon.

01:00:41.720 They're hawks, I think it's fair to say, at NR.

01:00:44.080 and they don't like what they're seeing at all anymore.

01:00:48.540 They realize this hasn't worked out.

01:00:50.540 I've been listening to their show and I read N.R.

01:00:54.200 And even they are like, this turned out to be a not great idea

01:00:57.900 because of the way it was executed

01:00:59.400 and because of the Strait of Hormuz, which they did take over.

01:01:03.880 They've realized they have this massive economic nuclear bomb

01:01:06.720 if they don't have an actual nuclear bomb

01:01:08.780 and they're not afraid to use it and so on.

01:01:12.100 And I think President Trump has realized the same.

01:01:14.700 I think there are a lot of hawks who are realizing, I wanted to support the president.

01:01:18.800 I listened to what he said.

01:01:20.260 But here we are three months later with no end in sight and gas prices through the roof

01:01:24.340 and energy prices affecting everything else coming down the pike on goods that were already

01:01:29.020 inflationary that he hadn't managed to get down.

01:01:31.760 I actually just had a meeting with my financial advisors that was very interesting, Buckley,

01:01:35.880 because they were like, the prices are not going to come down.

01:01:39.380 They were years at all.

01:01:40.760 They were like they were explaining inflation to me in a way no one had ever done so before, saying the inflation rate has come down.

01:01:48.880 It was at nine percent under Biden and now it's three and change under Trump.

01:01:52.260 But the price of the goods is not coming back down.

01:01:56.620 The goods went up in price and they're going to stay high in price.

01:02:00.180 And then they had an argument for why, as an economic matter, you could say that's not that's a good thing.

01:02:05.260 Otherwise, you have deflation, which is also problematic for the economy.

01:02:09.580 But the American public, I think, was expecting some of their grocery bills to come down under President Trump.

01:02:16.280 And the cold, hard reality is they're not going to.

01:02:19.460 And now the inflationary scale is going back up because of the war that we launched.

01:02:24.940 Those are the realities.

01:02:27.040 I don't know how to fix them at this point other than stop doing the one thing that's driving them up.

01:02:33.020 Yes. And even then, even if you opened up the straight-up from O's tomorrow and it was free and clear for, you know, 20 percent of the world's oil, how many years does it take, did your financial advisor say?

01:02:45.100 Because I've read it's like three or four years to get back on track.

01:02:48.820 And as you pointed out, those prices are never coming down again.

01:02:51.520 And people had still been trying to recover from the obscene inflation under the Biden administration's mismanagement.

01:02:58.840 And they had every right, obviously, to expect that Trump, one, could do it, and two, would spend a lot of time thinking about how to do it.

01:03:08.220 Boy, dispiriting.

01:03:09.740 Well, they were making the point that the one that Trump makes, which is the market, is doing really well.

01:03:15.820 And we've been talking on this show about how, well, I mean, great, but like the average Joe is not heavily positioned in the market.

01:03:24.640 He's worried about paying his bills.

01:03:26.240 He lives paycheck to paycheck.

01:03:27.380 He hasn't been on a vacation in a long time.

01:03:29.520 And they also pointed out the other thing,

01:03:31.420 which has been in the news,

01:03:33.980 credit card debt is sky high right now,

01:03:35.520 which is another leading indicator

01:03:37.100 that regular people are suffering.

01:03:40.380 They're not like going on massive spending sprees as sacks.

01:03:44.180 They're using those cards to pay their bills.

01:03:46.080 Yeah, groceries.

01:03:47.100 Yeah.

01:03:48.080 Absolutely.

01:03:48.720 At the same time, the healthcare industry is imploding

01:03:51.080 and people are getting nothing

01:03:52.740 for the dollars they're spending.

01:03:54.100 And their premiums are going way up

01:03:56.180 Because the Obamacare subsidies are going away.

01:03:58.740 And American hospitals are failing for a lot of reasons, but thanks to crazy immigration policy, obviously, which very few people talk about.

01:04:07.860 Also, the scam with the nonprofit hospitals who are – I don't know if you know much about that.

01:04:13.440 I don't.

01:04:13.780 But the nonprofit hospitals in America who are required to provide this benefit to the surrounding communities in which they live actually don't.

01:04:24.160 The experience has degraded enormously, and at the same time, the administrative, hospital administration salaries, everything has skyrocketed.

01:04:33.680 Well, of course.

01:04:35.360 Yeah, wait times, even quality of care has been drastic.

01:04:39.700 Well, I was going to say the only thing worse than this conversation and the realities of it would be to be a conservative or a Republican experiencing all of this in L.A.

01:04:48.500 where no matter what you do it's never going to change they will make sure yes despite the will

01:05:00.400 of the people i mean they've had a long period despite the recent clear vote stealing yes whatever

01:05:06.440 yes it is it's vote stealing obviously i was like i don't i was thinking about this today i'm like

01:05:10.740 you could call it fraud i think a more accurate word would just be cheating yes absolutely i don't

01:05:16.520 think they're actively fooling anyone in the way a fraud would. They're just cheating. That's how

01:05:23.080 it looks to me. And there are all sorts of reports of how Steve Hilton said this yesterday, and he

01:05:27.320 was 100% right. We went back and fact-checked him, my team. Did you know you have to get your

01:05:31.500 ballot in by voting day, postmarked by voting day? We knew that. That's an outrage. You don't

01:05:38.960 actually have to have it postmarked. You can write the date that you put it in the mail on

01:05:46.260 the exterior. So you could have voting days, Tuesday, you could have a Thursday postmark,

01:05:52.400 but as long as you've written on it, Tuesday, whatever voting day was, they'll accept it.

01:05:59.720 I looked at the law myself. It's insane. And there are all sorts of reports of them going to

01:06:04.700 these Democrat groups are so well organized going to homeless people. You don't actually

01:06:08.760 have a signature. You can have an X or a line for your signature. As long as you have a witness who

01:06:13.740 says they saw you sign it and who are these witnesses you know it's like basically acorn

01:06:18.260 those remember that group it's groups like that so there that's why in my opinion you see all

01:06:25.680 these votes coming in that i i could buy democrat the democrat overtakes the republicans it's

01:06:30.920 california it's la i don't buy nithya ramen way more than karen bass their existing mayor who by

01:06:38.260 the way happens to be black and a woman too i mean nithya is indian i i just don't i don't buy that

01:06:43.100 No one even knew who that was a month ago.

01:06:45.640 She cried on election night because she lost and she knew it.

01:06:48.500 Yes.

01:06:49.060 So we know what they're doing.

01:06:51.340 And then you have people are like, there's no proof.

01:06:53.500 You know, what's her name? 0.99

01:06:54.240 Kristen Welker was like to Trump. 0.93

01:06:55.580 There's no proof.

01:06:56.920 There's not going to be proof this close to the actual vote.

01:07:00.560 Like we actually need to do an investigation.

01:07:03.020 Look at the votes.

01:07:04.000 The ones that are getting rejected right now in L.A., we're told, are the Republican votes for Pratt.

01:07:09.080 where those the volunteers are triple checking those signatures just to make sure it was actually

01:07:15.420 you all these republicans online saying they got theirs back like a call from somebody saying

01:07:19.760 didn't check out it's just it's it smells to high heaven yes it does no it's disgusting and they've

01:07:27.140 had there's no defense of it that's why i don't understand there's no defense of it and trump has

01:07:31.440 power and they have both houses of congress they should be able to do something about it plus they

01:07:36.180 have an attorney general in california why isn't he held to account well they're looking the u.s

01:07:40.020 attorney is looking into it right now though not with a lot of cooperation the the state officials

01:07:45.080 don't want the feds interfering in their election processes can you blame them it's been working out

01:07:50.460 so well for them they're like stay out of it this is about states rights yeah um suddenly federalists

01:07:56.460 yes they just have to leave and even steve hilton now has officially been declared one of the last

01:08:00.540 two standing on the gubernatorial race which is great love steve see they're not going to vote

01:08:04.840 for Steve? No. There's just no way

01:08:06.760 they're going to vote for him over Javier Becerra.

01:08:09.320 And even if Spencer Pratt

01:08:10.880 had made it into the final two, would that

01:08:12.780 machine have allowed him to beat

01:08:14.940 Karen Bass? Of course not.

01:08:16.620 It just all feels so hopeless sometimes.

01:08:18.820 And so manufactured. And they're not even artful about

01:08:20.900 it. I remember corruption or

01:08:22.780 stealing used to be, you know,

01:08:25.080 subterfuge and

01:08:26.540 artful. The good old days. Yes, absolutely.

01:08:29.160 Right? It was a beauty to it.

01:08:31.120 Partially plausible. Now none of it's

01:08:32.940 plausible and people are getting dispirited over it and so i don't i don't know what the answer is

01:08:37.280 but someone had better do something i think you gotta do what you did and leave california that's

01:08:41.400 your that's where you were raised well you think they'd start paying attention at some point you're

01:08:45.140 right and california had had an influx of people throughout its entire history up until covid

01:08:49.540 then it had this massive exodus and then they're losing tons of money and

01:08:53.280 they're going to be suffering at some point you would think the government i mean who extracts

01:09:00.060 all this wealth and i don't know pet projects i mean you would think i mean as they say the

01:09:05.540 problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money but they seem to really

01:09:10.420 want us to elevate their outgoing governor to president they the democrats are open-minded to

01:09:17.240 that too they they're no one's saying on their team like what do you mean he bankrupted california

01:09:22.380 they have homeless people everywhere he ruined two of the top greatest cities in the world san

01:09:27.060 francisco and la which is burned down to its stubs in huge parts of it like crushed people

01:09:33.900 during covid engage in some of the the most absurd covid policies anywhere yes actually

01:09:39.580 you should be held to account the homelessness and the crime alone should be a deal breaker but

01:09:43.740 it's not i don't like the hairline can only take one so far or are we kidding ourselves about that

01:09:50.340 he's actually gavin newsom is the perfect candidate though if you think about it because

01:09:54.660 he's such a chameleon and has no principles whatsoever he's reasonably articulate he's

01:10:00.420 reasonably handsome i mean he knows his way around a microphone and a television prompter

01:10:04.460 obviously um what's with this though he's constantly with the hands something very

01:10:10.920 strange with he how he never stops with the hand motions like the guy who's landing the

01:10:15.300 jet plane at jfk and is it supposed to be hypnotic because i actually feel kind of ill

01:10:19.240 i think it's nerves oh really no i get the sense they go to some special school where

01:10:23.580 They're learning how to gesticulate.

01:10:25.320 It's one of two things.

01:10:26.180 It's either nerves or it's lying.

01:10:29.100 He's definitely incapable of the latter, I think, at all times.

01:10:32.640 Phil Houston, the spy the lie guy, he wrote the book Spy the Lie, 25 years CIA.

01:10:36.660 Yes.

01:10:37.320 Figuring out who is a double agent by questioning them internally and figuring out which terrorists who were supposedly helping us were actually working still for the other side.

01:10:47.160 So this guy knows how to detect lies.

01:10:48.580 And one of the things he says is hands above the midline, moving around.

01:10:52.680 And the reason is when you lie,

01:10:54.600 it's like an adrenaline surge in your body

01:10:56.360 and it can't stay in there.

01:10:58.080 It has to shoot out somehow.

01:10:59.580 It can shoot out through your fingers.

01:11:00.880 It can shoot out through your ears.

01:11:01.840 But like through your extremities, 0.75

01:11:04.080 people, liars will often touch like their ear or their nose.

01:11:07.320 If their legs are crossed, 0.94

01:11:09.320 they'll start doing the leg kick when they lie.

01:11:12.160 He's got all sorts of tapes of people.

01:11:14.040 But I actually think when I look at Gavin Newsom,

01:11:16.600 it's like one big lie.

01:11:18.600 And it's all of his nervous energy

01:11:20.600 shooting out of his fingers, or he's just a very nervous public speaker who's learned to mask it

01:11:26.740 somehow in his delivery, but not in his body motions. Oh, I like that. I've never seen,

01:11:31.620 I never read that. I like that theory. I think I passed the test. Yeah, you haven't moved a second.

01:11:38.240 Do you, is there any Democrat you could ever vote for?

01:11:42.800 Gosh, there used to be, there used to be a number of Southern Democrats I really liked. I'm trying

01:11:47.260 to think. There is a congresswoman in California, actually, who, thank her name, she's recent.

01:11:54.020 Ro Khanna has been reasonable on a number of things. I've admired him. I've admired his

01:11:58.500 courage. I generally can't think of any America-loving, reasonable, honest people on the

01:12:06.100 left. Of course, anybody who attacks Donald Trump is now a leftist or a Soviet show, an

01:12:12.260 Israel hater. So you'd think that I would have some experience with that. No, I can't

01:12:16.060 Actually, think of any reasonable Democrats.

01:12:18.160 I'm sure there must be some, but I'm not aware of any beyond. 0.52

01:12:23.400 Well, what do you make of somebody like a Graham Plattner in Maine who has been saying, like, we're done with the Israel lobby nonsense, which is good. 0.78

01:12:31.580 Yes.

01:12:32.080 But also wants to stack the Supreme Court packet with an extra three justices.

01:12:37.200 It's like, and the love affair is over.

01:12:39.540 Oh, that's just wait.

01:12:40.760 No.

01:12:42.340 I don't like what do people do?

01:12:45.120 There are a lot of people listening to this show, all young Republicans now, a vast majority of young Republicans even are Israel skeptical.

01:12:52.340 So they're looking for somebody.

01:12:54.260 They don't want to pack the Supreme Court.

01:12:56.620 You know what I mean?

01:12:57.060 Like, how do we find the candidate?

01:12:59.920 We kind of had him in Thomas Massey and he just got bounced out.

01:13:03.020 Yes.

01:13:03.500 Who doesn't say the lunatic things like that second part, but is finally going to try to put an end to this weird, unhealthy relationship we have.

01:13:14.420 I don't care what it used to be.

01:13:16.440 Right now it's toxic and they're dragging us into wars.

01:13:19.600 So it's got to be controlled and they control all of our politicians.

01:13:24.160 I don't, what do you, I've noticed.

01:13:25.560 So what do we do?

01:13:26.140 Who do we vote for?

01:13:27.320 I don't know about now who we vote for now.

01:13:29.580 I do know it's going to, it's a cleansing process for politics going forward.

01:13:34.040 Clearly both the parties have, I hate the term, but it's, I think, accurate here, but 0.95

01:13:39.580 clown themselves. 0.95

01:13:40.540 They do not represent their voters. 0.99

01:13:42.300 they don't represent the vast majority of americans literally as they're going to have to be

01:13:49.140 some benchmarks for any national candidates are just going to have to say right up front

01:13:54.520 won't take any foreign money won't take any lobbyist money from corporations and they're

01:14:01.480 going to have to articulate their faith in american heritage american culture american values american

01:14:08.340 language um i think that's a great start and i don't think that would have happened if we hadn't

01:14:14.680 gotten in this if we hadn't gotten and been dragged into this war because i do think that

01:14:20.820 some people for instance during the campaign or during trump's entire first term when he used to

01:14:26.140 talk about the deep state and the swamp people could actually dismiss it you and i wouldn't or

01:14:31.120 other people who are paying attention oh really is there really a supernatural uh natural um

01:14:36.580 national deep state that controls things beyond those that you vote for.

01:14:42.360 And some people could dismiss that.

01:14:43.680 But now, actually, Donald Trump's actions over the last 19 months, and most especially

01:14:48.100 his inactions on the domestic front on behalf of people who voted for him and the Americans

01:14:53.280 who've trusted him, revealed that there is, in fact, incontrovertibly, this power structure

01:14:59.900 behind the scenes that most people were not aware of.

01:15:03.320 Things like big pharma, big ag.

01:15:06.580 Big ag, big pharma, the fact that you're being surveyed at all times, that you're being poisoned at all times, the fact that we're moving inexorably towards fake currency that they can control.

01:15:20.260 Not to mention AI that's going to wipe out all of our children's jobs.

01:15:23.400 Yes, and not a single person in national office is articulating how – they all seem thrilled by it.

01:15:28.800 And then, of course, there's the corruption that is just out in the open now.

01:15:36.580 But anyway, but people are aware. People are like, yes, this doesn't work. Democratic Party there. It might actually bring people together. Actually, it's revealed that there's this uniparty power structure, because no matter what you say in public or no matter whom you vote for, you're still getting the program that benefits someone else other than the American people.

01:15:56.040 that's just so obvious now um so transparency declaration of no foreign money uh and then

01:16:05.000 maybe we could also stop electing people who have deviant sexual lives people who do in fact believe

01:16:10.320 in god people who embrace life people who didn't aspire to power their entire lives like class

01:16:16.200 presidents who rise through staffers in congress for their entire careers maybe people who've

01:16:22.060 actually employed others and people who are married and have children and display the kind

01:16:29.300 of values that represent this old school yeah i mean so in that sense i think it's there's hope

01:16:36.200 yes it's always like the phoenix always comes up from the ashes yes so it does seem like you have

01:16:42.580 to burn it down yeah i mean it was burning so it's like if it's gonna burn down might as well

01:16:47.500 throw the accelerant on there get it over with and start over absolutely slow death is not a good

01:16:52.560 i don't know it's like i i don't know maybe i'm just naive because i just feel like okay

01:16:58.860 trump ran for office on a very positive agenda that i was very much behind he's completely blown

01:17:05.260 up the middle east promises and the no war promises that's obvious um he does seem very much

01:17:11.760 attuned to what those massive interest groups want him to do. All politicians basically are

01:17:20.360 or have to be, otherwise they can't get elected. Like that's, it's very rare to find the man who

01:17:25.320 can say, I'm not taking any of their money and I don't care what they have to say and can get

01:17:30.660 elected. Like their money controls everything. It manipulates us at every turn, whether we know it

01:17:35.680 or not. So like, you can have an honest guy like that, say something like that, like a Massey. I

01:17:40.860 think rand paul is also honest like i do think he's got his principles and he votes on his 0.96

01:17:44.460 principles he doesn't give a shit whether you like them or not very much so um so he's gotten

01:17:49.000 up to that level u.s senate he's you know none of the pauls has ever been able to cross over to the 0.96

01:17:54.400 next level um so i i guess i'm still clinging to the hope that trump can get back to at least

01:18:02.580 the pieces of the agenda that aren't controlled by those people you know yes like maybe we can

01:18:07.920 Like, I'm concerned because the Easter breakfast tape that was leaked of Trump talking to the group was Trump saying the federal government really can't do anything other than foreign policy.

01:18:20.240 And that seemed to be a moment of honesty for him.

01:18:23.860 He's not totally wrong either, if we're being honest and fair to him.

01:18:28.460 Like, the federal government really can't do that much, at least not with out 60 votes in the U.S. Senate.

01:18:33.920 It does require – well, they should get rid of the filibuster.

01:18:37.240 It does seem clear that they should.

01:18:39.400 They can't.

01:18:40.000 They don't have the votes to.

01:18:41.080 Right, I know.

01:18:41.820 They don't even have 51 Republicans.

01:18:43.160 No, I'm aware.

01:18:44.260 But yes, that debate has been ongoing for the last 15 years.

01:18:48.540 They should do something about it.

01:18:50.320 He's right, I think.

01:18:52.320 But to address it, to fix it, you have to address it.

01:18:56.100 You have to focus on it.

01:18:57.160 You have to declare that it's a priority for you, as he did during the campaign.

01:19:00.840 And he's been so distracted by the warfare for Israel.

01:19:06.880 So he has some, obviously his power, he's revealed this too, his power, the power of the chief executive in America is not only diminished, but it's revealed to have been well diminished what people expected.

01:19:19.560 But if he pivoted, if he solved this problem in the Middle East by disengaging from Israel and returned his focus to a domestic focus, there's a lot to address here in America.

01:19:32.240 He addressed it well. He articulated a path forward that wasn't going to be easy but that was achievable and that was supported by not just the coalition that voted for him.

01:19:42.840 By the way, as you know better than most, a coalition that had really never been assembled in our demographic America in our lifetimes.

01:19:51.820 So many people love this country.

01:19:54.560 So many people have worked really hard and sacrificed for this.

01:19:57.900 So many people before Donald Trump.

01:19:59.380 um and he needs to recalibrate he needs to refocus on american americans and he he will he will be

01:20:09.020 able to affect some change if he does that i actually don't have any faith that he will i

01:20:12.820 think he's demonstrated that he can't the most positive thing you said was the small executive

01:20:17.060 that's what we need yes that's what we need i don't want a big presidency at all whether it's

01:20:22.180 trump or anybody else like pick the politician you most deeply admire whoever it is i don't want

01:20:26.920 them to have a big presidency like let's shrink it down like politics was supposed to be controlled

01:20:31.860 at the local level the states were supposed to be more autonomous it's only in recent a modern

01:20:37.100 american history that we've gotten into this weird cult of personality around the president

01:20:41.680 and we're all focused on our president and we like to imbue him with all sorts of powers with

01:20:46.780 his magic wand to come in and do things like crime fighting at the local level i we it's part it's

01:20:53.380 mostly probably the media's fault for not focusing at all on state and local elections where

01:20:59.780 differences actually can be made and who wins the state house actually has far more effect on your

01:21:04.960 life than who wins the white house yes um it is a cultural problem though because it used to be

01:21:11.240 a part-time legislature and it government federal government is not there to do anything other than

01:21:18.180 protect the homeland and you know keep the the currency and and the economy running basically

01:21:25.180 i mean beyond obviously it has other roles but it should generally be it should not be involved in

01:21:32.640 every aspect of americans lives as it is now someone said to me the other day they were talking

01:21:37.620 about all the various regulatory uh stuff and they're like i could build a shed in my i couldn't

01:21:45.040 I tried to build a shed in my backyard and the government showed up and told me I couldn't because it didn't meet all of these various requirements.

01:21:51.780 And yet, and yet, and yet our government just gets away with.

01:21:57.000 Did he build the shed anyway?

01:21:58.340 No.

01:21:58.880 Oh, too bad.

01:21:59.820 Yeah, they live in the wrong state.

01:22:01.660 It's one of those things that Mike Rowe is always lamenting that we've gotten to this weird safety culture.

01:22:07.700 Now, I mean, if you've applied for a permit and it's been denied, then you really are taking a risk of getting fined by your locals if you build it anyway.

01:22:14.540 so I take the point. But do you ever find yourself standing at the stop sign when you're

01:22:19.460 trying to cross and no one's coming or red light? No. And you don't go. And you're like,

01:22:25.860 never. What am I doing? Yeah. Committed jaywalkers. So I, I find myself, I'm like,

01:22:30.040 what am I doing? No, walk, walk. You're fine. Like we've gotten too compliant. I think we've

01:22:36.660 gotten too compliant. Oh, there's no doubt about it. I mean, I'm getting harangued by people not

01:22:41.760 wearing a mask outside in the rain during covid walking in the park with my dogs you know people

01:22:47.600 need to be individually responsible for their own actions individually responsible for the lives

01:22:52.580 the safety of their children and their families and need to toughen up obviously and you can't

01:22:59.080 look to the state to to protect you one that's very clear the state is not going to protect you

01:23:04.400 yep as a dog owner you're not going to call the cops if you have someone outside your house

01:23:09.140 and shoot your dog and probably shoot you.

01:23:10.840 If I opened the door and my dog ran out there, 1.00

01:23:13.480 they'd be terrified for a good 30 seconds 0.61

01:23:15.280 until he licked them and snuggled them

01:23:18.360 and gave him his paws.

01:23:19.880 100%.

01:23:20.280 But there's a good chance 0.97

01:23:21.360 they might shoot him on the way over. 0.98

01:23:22.580 Yeah, right. 0.98

01:23:23.360 It's terrible.

01:23:24.420 No, a small, yes, a small federal government,

01:23:27.160 I hope it's achievable.

01:23:28.040 As you said earlier,

01:23:29.800 maybe the only option is it has to emulate.

01:23:34.800 Yeah, well, all right.

01:23:36.240 I want to talk about another big piece of news, which is Carmelo Anthony.

01:23:40.920 This is a story that we've been following closely here, and it kind of relates to where

01:23:43.960 we kicked off the show, which is this, everything's been reduced to race, whether it's Henry Novak

01:23:50.500 or it's what happened in Northern Ireland or now what's happening down in Frisco, Texas,

01:23:56.480 where the case is now with the jury.

01:23:58.840 I'll take a break, and then we'll come back, and we'll talk about what happened in the

01:24:01.420 closing arguments where I maintain it's just going terribly for the defense.

01:24:05.040 but it did get interesting in the defense's closing argument. They've given the jury

01:24:08.960 something to latch onto if it wants to. And as I pointed out earlier, they've given them a

01:24:16.000 manslaughter charge to consider now, which is a good thing for Carmelo Anthony. You might already

01:24:21.260 own a firearm, but what if you could start with less lethal methods to avoid the financial and

01:24:26.300 mental repercussions of pulling the trigger? This is where Berna comes in. That's B-Y-R-N-A.

01:24:32.200 And Berna's less lethal launchers are equipped with tear gas and kinetic ammunition

01:24:37.100 designed to incapacitate an attacker for up to 40 minutes.

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01:27:53.660 kelly channel sirius xm 111 and on the sirius xm app buckley carlson is back with me now i would

01:28:04.620 say the one and only but there there is another buckley carlson tucker's son is named buckley

01:28:08.340 that that must have gotten confusing he hasn't gotten my credit card bills yet or been served

01:28:13.200 with any legal papers that we know he's just excellent okay it's quite an honor this is uncle

01:28:19.080 buck as tucker told us everyone in the tucker branch of the family loves uncle buck i am

01:28:24.520 reliably informed um okay so this case carmelo anthony is very disturbing and here is what we

01:28:32.820 know as of this hour. Okay. The defense asked for manslaughter to be added is a possible new charge

01:28:43.820 in the charging documents. The judge, John Roach Jr. ruled on Tuesday that the jury may indeed

01:28:50.260 consider it along with murder. That's very, very good for the defense because this guy looks,

01:28:57.100 I mean, unless some massive jury nullification happens, there's going to be a conviction here.

01:29:01.580 The proof was overwhelming. The defense was pathetic. And if they get the manslaughter charge, that's very good because at least then you get a chance of like heartstrings of the jury. The defendant is only 17 at the time he commits the crime. He does not have a criminal history. He doesn't seem to have been in trouble with the law prior to this. 0.98

01:29:21.080 by any reports. What makes you so callous? You stab a knife into a 17-year-old boy's heart

01:29:28.060 who taps you to say you have to leave his tent is something we're going to have to deal with here.

01:29:33.580 But it is very possible that they'll go for the manslaughter charge. Here is what we heard

01:29:38.840 in the final arguments, the defense and the closing argument.

01:29:44.840 The guy's name is Mike Howard representing him. He's not legal aid, by the way. There are some

01:29:48.860 reports online because people produced a GoFundMe for him that had $600,000 to $900,000 in it.

01:29:56.380 And everyone online, a lot of people are outraged saying he wound up with a public

01:30:00.060 defender. What did he do with the money? Because they were at this mansion, he and his parents

01:30:04.340 and his family, for the past year pending this case. And it turns out they were renting that

01:30:12.020 place. They did use some of that money, but they are paying this lawyer. He used to be legal aid,

01:30:17.140 but now he's in private practice.

01:30:18.820 He's not impressive.

01:30:20.000 I'm sorry, Mike Howard, you're not.

01:30:22.200 Began his closing argument today

01:30:23.620 and ended it as well.

01:30:24.620 The jury has the case saying Austin Metcalf,

01:30:27.560 he's the dead boy, he's the victim,

01:30:30.820 had no legal right to use force

01:30:33.180 to eject Carmelo Anthony from that tent.

01:30:36.060 He had the right to ask him to leave,

01:30:37.760 but he didn't have any legal right to use force.

01:30:40.780 Of course, this ignores the fact

01:30:41.980 that any responsive force has to be proportionate

01:30:45.020 to the force that was used on you.

01:30:46.820 Had Carmelo Anthony pushed Austin Metcalfe back, we wouldn't be here.

01:30:52.260 Yes, perfectly justifiable.

01:30:53.780 Yeah, you may not respond to a push with a stab wound to the heart.

01:30:59.760 The government wants to make this case about Melo could have just left.

01:31:03.580 I'm sure he wishes he did.

01:31:05.080 We all do.

01:31:06.380 He mentions that Metcalfe's twin brother, Hunter, had confronted Anthony allegedly shortly before the stabbing,

01:31:11.020 despite testimony that did not show any evidence of that.

01:31:14.080 So he's just throwing random made-up facts into his closing.

01:31:17.900 Mello had an absolute right to defend himself, he said.

01:31:21.600 If you wait until it's too late to defend yourself, it's meaningless.

01:31:26.000 Again, that's not the law, and this is not going to be consistent with what the jury gets charged on proportionate responses when it comes to physicality.

01:31:33.920 He questioned whether all witnesses who testified at the trial were truthful.

01:31:38.340 Um, Metcalfe's family friend who was present in the audience was visibly upset during Howard's, uh, closing, shaking her head, mouthing, what is this? As Michael Howard repeated several falsehoods, Carmelo Anthony watched his lawyer intently as he spoke on behalf of his client.

01:31:55.460 And let's see, he said, oh, he was making a big deal of the fact that Carmelo Anthony

01:32:01.140 did not run after he stabbed Austin Metcalfe, saying he stayed there crying.

01:32:05.880 He was upset.

01:32:06.900 That's not exactly escaping like the guilty do.

01:32:10.040 He had every opportunity to go right out that exit.

01:32:12.700 We heard about his emotions.

01:32:14.320 Every single person who saw him said he was crying.

01:32:16.960 What did he say?

01:32:17.940 He said he's not going to die.

01:32:19.220 It's clear he thought he stabbed him in a place that Austin was not going to die. 0.99

01:32:25.460 And he claimed that that Austin, the victim, reportedly said to Carmelo, according to a witness, if you don't move, I'll beat your ass again. 0.97

01:32:38.660 OK, there's that's not what the overwhelming testimony was here. 0.96

01:32:42.660 And he says, as much as we may not like it, even even a 17 year old kid can legally have a five and a half inch knife, even in a high school stadium.

01:32:51.480 It's a violation of policy, but not a crime.

01:32:54.360 Texas law does not require that you wait

01:32:56.140 until you get hit to respond.

01:32:59.740 Ask yourself, has the government ruled out reasonable doubt

01:33:02.020 when you put yourself in Mello's shoes under that tent?

01:33:06.380 So that's where it's going.

01:33:10.340 Here's one more.

01:33:11.960 We know it was raining.

01:33:14.260 The Texas weather's crazy.

01:33:15.660 We know it's easy to think,

01:33:16.720 boy, I better get out of this rain.

01:33:18.120 In other words, he wasn't being intentionally provocative

01:33:19.880 going into their tent.

01:33:20.920 He just wanted to get out of the rain.

01:33:22.160 he said, you have to put yourself in his shoes. You start under the tent. You want to get out

01:33:27.420 of the rain. Sure enough, one of the people at the other school says, yeah, come on over. He

01:33:30.960 claims he was invited by one person. Then all of a sudden Hunter Metcalf or Austin say, who are you?

01:33:36.840 You all need to leave. These guys are much bigger than you. Do you turn your back and walk away and

01:33:41.720 take a chance that these teenage boys with their raging hormones might come after you? Austin and

01:33:48.260 Hunter had the right to tell Mello to leave, but they did not have the right to use deadly force

01:33:52.220 to make him leave. This is what he's trying to spin. Mello had an absolute right to defend

01:33:56.980 himself against that. How do you know in a split second of chaos when it's too late,

01:34:01.660 if you wait too late to defend yourself, self-defense is meaningless. And once again,

01:34:05.100 suggesting he didn't know he stabbed him in the heart, Buckley. This is, I mean, it's tough to

01:34:12.480 swallow. It's tough to swallow. And it's such a horrible tragedy for Austin and Hunter Metcalf

01:34:17.580 and their family uh i will say from what i know of this case i have followed it peripherally but

01:34:23.740 and i'm not a lawyer but it is just sad it's a sad indictment of race relations in this country

01:34:29.400 which have gotten so much worse in my lifetime uh with huge thanks to barack obama of course but

01:34:35.680 also to the national media you accepted um it's you know most americans live in harmony and treat 0.99

01:34:43.760 each other well and it's just so dispiriting when all these race hosts hucksters come these

01:34:49.700 predators come out of the woodwork uh i have seen a lot of his quote supporters carmelo anthony

01:34:56.160 supporters in the crowd saying despicable things um like you know we come where we come from we 0.97

01:35:03.280 we killed the crackers and yeah outrageous racial stuff we played one yesterday of a black woman 0.86

01:35:08.580 down there saying we protect ours yeah it's right it's redolent of oj simpson completely and all the

01:35:14.260 other cases that have come since that have been made famous um by people who have uh an interest

01:35:20.740 in making it famous but it's not american public's interest it's a great country great people and

01:35:25.840 people need to be each case needs to be dealt with individually and uh i hope that i hope there will

01:35:31.420 be some justice here sounds like manslaughter is a pretty reasonable conclusion to what i don't

01:35:36.520 I think it should be a murder conclusion, a murder conviction.

01:35:39.220 Absolutely.

01:35:39.800 I mean, like, there has to be a conviction on something.

01:35:42.960 100%.

01:35:43.360 But this was murder.

01:35:44.620 This was murder.

01:35:45.460 He brought the knife into the tent.

01:35:47.420 He provoked Austin Metcalfe to lay hands on him.

01:35:50.580 He, without warning, stuck a knife in Austin's heart.

01:35:53.720 He knew full well what that would lead to.

01:35:56.180 This wasn't crime of passion.

01:35:57.760 He created it.

01:35:58.840 I mean, if I were the prosecutor, I could make a good argument.

01:36:02.620 This was premeditated from before he walked into the tent.

01:36:06.520 that he brought a knife to a track meet.

01:36:10.240 He took the weapon with him into an opposing team's tent

01:36:14.000 where he knew he shouldn't have been.

01:36:15.900 It's a provocative move.

01:36:17.540 He then antagonized this kid, Austin Metcalf,

01:36:22.140 and encouraged him to do something aggressive toward him.

01:36:26.700 I think that this kid was planning all along to stab him.

01:36:30.320 I mean, why else would he have been reaching into the bag

01:36:33.080 when he was like, go ahead, go ahead, lay hands on me?

01:36:35.540 I just think, I think this was premeditated and I think it was murder.

01:36:39.320 So I hope they find that.

01:36:40.860 I'm with you completely.

01:36:42.540 I misspoke when I said, it seems like manslaughter would be the most likely outcome.

01:36:46.340 It seems like just absolutely murder.

01:36:48.520 It's got to be the bare minimum. 0.57

01:36:50.300 My producers are telling me that the Black Panthers are there now. 1.00

01:36:53.740 Of course.

01:36:54.160 Got pictures of that.

01:36:54.900 Yeah.

01:36:55.060 Let's see.

01:36:55.660 They've come from the polling booths.

01:36:56.900 Here, there.

01:36:57.260 Yes, exactly.

01:36:58.520 Yeah.

01:36:59.020 I'm sure that'll help.

01:37:00.780 Terrific.

01:37:01.540 He's like, what are we going to see?

01:37:03.280 like Black Panther riots when we get a guilty verdict. Honestly, if we don't get a guilty

01:37:07.960 verdict there, you could see, you could see massive protests the other way. There's just,

01:37:11.340 this case is open and shut. There is no reasonable doubt. And I would tell you if I saw anything that

01:37:16.800 they could really exploit there, there isn't, there wasn't, you know, you just said something

01:37:20.420 interesting that I wanted to ask you about the race relations having been absolutely crushed

01:37:27.360 in this country by Barack Obama. And it reminded me of something you said when you were on Tucker's

01:37:31.560 Joe, about how this is one of the reasons you became so disappointed in a politician you had

01:37:36.400 previously admired, John McCain. Because he would not take the case, like make the case about Barack

01:37:43.320 Obama. And for that matter, Mitt Romney didn't make the case. And Mitt Romney even worse than

01:37:49.420 McCain because, I mean, McCain had a lot of fodder on this front with Reverend Wright and all that

01:37:54.880 too. But he'd been governing for four years and Mitt Romney didn't go there. But Barack Obama,

01:37:59.520 The truth is, while he was supposed to be our first, like, black president, we're going to settle all the race relations, was the most divisive president when it comes to the issue of race that we've had in modern times.

01:38:10.480 And you're right.

01:38:11.400 No Republican would make the case against him because they were scared.

01:38:14.600 They were a word I don't say on this show that begins with P.

01:38:19.760 Feline?

01:38:20.380 Like a kitty cat.

01:38:22.660 Yes, they were.

01:38:24.340 No, he interjected himself multiple times, and Barack Obama did.

01:38:28.340 First, the Skip Gates nonsense at Harvard and Skip Gates had been stopped by the police, having no key, trying to get into his house.

01:38:38.380 And Barack Obama and the media made it an enormous thing.

01:38:41.040 And then when Trayvon Martin, who clearly had attacked that fellow and was trying to kill him, and then that guy defended himself.

01:38:48.960 Zimmerman.

01:38:49.680 Zimmerman, exactly.

01:38:51.980 And injected race into it when it clearly was not a racial case.

01:38:57.080 They were neither one of them were white anyway, so it didn't really fit the standard for them.

01:39:02.480 But and we'd never seen that before.

01:39:04.620 Presidents didn't normally weigh in on legal cases at all, never mind on the race of the parties and how that spoke to us as a country.

01:39:12.460 Meanwhile, he's like, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

01:39:14.920 What?

01:39:15.520 I was just going to say that.

01:39:17.000 But he yes, that they'd never interjected themselves in a case like that.

01:39:21.660 But Barack Obama, at the same time he injected himself in the case, then took enormous credit for being like fair and balanced and not involved, which he did on several other fronts.

01:39:32.520 And then he came up with the most annoying phrase ever from someone who's not an American who doesn't doesn't display the priorities of a lot of Americans and said, that's just not who we are.

01:39:45.760 Well, we don't need the government telling us we don't need an elected politician telling us who we are.

01:39:51.120 The American public know who—American people know exactly who they are.

01:39:54.820 They don't need someone else telling them that, especially someone who's so unimpressive and so hostile towards his own citizens, as Barack Obama was, and white people especially.

01:40:06.020 The people who love Barack Obama to this day say, it was a scandal-free administration.

01:40:10.820 There were no scandals.

01:40:11.940 It's like, that's not how we experienced it at all.

01:40:15.400 They're still repeating that line.

01:40:16.880 Even though I think it's been conclusively proven that he engaged in obvious treason.

01:40:21.180 He undermined the American people, the American government, the American president.

01:40:24.340 Dropped a drone on an American citizen.

01:40:26.300 Yes, exactly.

01:40:27.460 Oh, extra constitutional actions all around.

01:40:30.500 Seized one sixth of the U.S. economy without majority support to ram Obamacare down our throats.

01:40:36.840 Something from which the American public still has not recovered.

01:40:40.140 Oh, yes.

01:40:40.720 And boasted about it. 0.99

01:40:42.240 Elections have consequences. 1.00

01:40:44.000 You know, fuck you and your doctor and your life. 1.00

01:40:47.120 100%. 1.00

01:40:47.560 And absolutely no accountability for it.

01:40:49.580 Like the left still lionizes him as though he were a true unifier.

01:40:55.120 It's just, you know, it's not true.

01:40:56.960 So I loved what you said.

01:40:58.180 I also got a big kick out of the fact that you,

01:41:01.600 one of the things you hated about John McCain was that he took on big tobacco.

01:41:05.100 Go on.

01:41:05.940 As somebody who worked for the law firm that represented R.J. Reynolds, go on.

01:41:11.660 I can't believe we didn't meet each other back then.

01:41:13.800 And I worked on that case as a lowly PR guy in Washington for a number of years.

01:41:21.100 And I remember thinking, you're attacking an American institution, which is tobacco. 0.76

01:41:25.340 And I also thought it was so hypocritical.

01:41:26.840 One, people had known for a generation that tobacco and smoking isn't necessarily good for you.

01:41:33.200 Okay, you have a choice.

01:41:34.440 Drinking is not good for you.

01:41:35.360 You have a choice to buy booze.

01:41:36.880 Now, of course, you're encouraged to buy weed and pharmaceuticals and anything else you want.

01:41:40.920 But it had also had an essential part in the American story economically and at the same time the federal government and every state in the country essentially had taken it upon themselves to invest their public employee funds, their retirement funds in tobacco at the same time they were attacking tobacco companies.

01:42:01.900 It was repellent and it was a huge money grab and it enriched a lot of lawyers.

01:42:08.240 I hope it helps you if you worked on it.

01:42:10.560 I mean, I guess, yeah, by extension, I got a salary.

01:42:13.540 But I actually never felt embarrassed about that work.

01:42:16.020 I felt like, well, why wouldn't we defend R.J. Reynolds?

01:42:18.180 I mean, the warnings were actually, everybody knew smoking was bad for you.

01:42:22.380 God bless you for working for R.J.R.

01:42:25.320 I mean, it was the firm, but it was very good business.

01:42:28.180 And, like, they were all sued.

01:42:30.260 We pretended for a lot of years that nobody had any idea smoking was bad for you.

01:42:33.780 It's like, okay, in the very beginning, that was true.

01:42:36.140 But more recent history?

01:42:38.140 Like, how did you not know that?

01:42:39.720 And that's just where it's kind of started a trend, right?

01:42:43.140 Where it's like nobody takes accountability for their own bad behavior.

01:42:47.300 Nobody takes responsibility for their own decision making.

01:42:50.960 I don't know.

01:42:51.540 It's like we didn't used to be this way.

01:42:53.440 There's literally no such thing as an accident in America in 2026.

01:42:58.400 Someone is responsible.

01:43:00.320 Someone other than you is responsible for what you do.

01:43:03.080 I'm a big motorcyclist, fly airplanes.

01:43:05.780 Of course you do.

01:43:07.080 No, but I've hated – I hate getting in my car and having that noise go off with your seatbelt.

01:43:13.420 It's my choice if I want to wear a seatbelt or not.

01:43:16.200 I actually mostly do. 0.99

01:43:18.520 But I generally just want to kill some member of Congress when they hear this, eh, eh, eh. 0.96

01:43:22.580 And I've always wondered – I've always wondered as I'm holding a coffee cup and sometimes a cigarette when I'm driving and I'm harangued to put my seatbelt on and I fiddle around trying to put it on as I'm driving. 0.96

01:43:33.840 And I think, how many people have gotten in a head-on collision just so they could turn that noise off and put their seatbelt on?

01:43:39.640 And now soon your car is going to be spying on you with, like, a camera, and it's going to know everything you're doing and thinking and saying.

01:43:47.040 I don't know who they're going to be reporting it to.

01:43:48.840 Who's got the time to surf through that data?

01:43:52.800 There's going to be a huge argument in formerly owned cars from before 2021.

01:43:56.860 Yeah, I know.

01:43:57.860 I don't think we're going to trade ours in.

01:43:59.820 I think we're going to be, like, driving the 300,000-mile car.

01:44:03.420 I just did 100,000 miles in my six-year car.

01:44:05.520 I love it.

01:44:06.220 Never giving it up.

01:44:07.400 Like, I'm always on camera.

01:44:08.560 I don't want to be on camera everywhere, you know?

01:44:10.740 It's like, it's hard enough to keep up the mascara

01:44:13.060 and the lip gloss during, you know, 12 to two, Buckley.

01:44:15.700 I don't think I can do it in my free time.

01:44:17.380 Plus, you only have to investigate ChatGPT

01:44:19.820 for like 30 seconds to realize

01:44:21.160 that it's not actually accurate at all times.

01:44:25.320 Yeah.

01:44:25.480 We're going to cede personal responsibility to a computer.

01:44:28.900 No.

01:44:29.520 We're doing it at a national level.

01:44:31.560 Yes, we are. 0.61

01:44:32.020 That's why our children won't be able to have jobs. 0.65

01:44:35.080 Well, thankfully, yours will be with you and the dogs down south.

01:44:39.140 Mine, I think, will probably be at the Jersey Shore.

01:44:42.960 God help me.

01:44:44.200 At least you don't have to pump your own gas.

01:44:48.260 This has been so fun.

01:44:49.560 I loved having you.

01:44:50.380 Please come back any time.

01:44:51.640 I would love to.

01:44:52.420 Thank you so much.

01:44:53.280 Oh, it's so much fun.

01:44:54.860 Buckley Carlson, everybody.

01:44:56.220 We're so lucky to have him.

01:44:57.680 All right, and tomorrow we're going to be bringing back Mark Halperin

01:45:00.060 because there will be some results

01:45:02.560 from several votes that have been taken today

01:45:05.600 and we'll get the latest on California as well.

01:45:08.160 Don't miss that.

01:45:10.500 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 09, 2026

Shocking Migrant Attack, Questions About California Cheating, and Iran Shoots Down American Helicopter, with Buckley Carlson ｜ Ep. 1335

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