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00:01:11.460Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:17.100hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show closing arguments now underway in the
00:01:28.080trial of 19 year old carmelo anthony who is accused of fatally stabbing austin metcalf another 17 year
00:01:35.080old during a confrontation at a high school track meet that never needed to happen uh this jury is
00:01:40.620expected to get the case in moments. There's been a huge development. The jury will now be able to
00:01:47.540consider a lesser charge of manslaughter. Originally, we just had murder charges. Now
00:01:52.080they've added manslaughter. I query why the prosecution did that, because this is an open
00:01:57.360and shut case. Maybe they felt bad for him. I have no idea. There was a long meeting with
00:02:02.400defense counsel yesterday of some three hours. But that's normally something that the defense
00:02:06.820might push for if they thought there might be a conviction, and it's something the prosecution
00:02:12.200pushes for if they think there won't be a conviction on murder. So I'm not sure why on
00:02:18.260earth that would have been added at the last minute. In any event, also we're going to discuss
00:02:21.920whether the neocons are turning on President Trump. They're not exactly getting their way
00:02:26.700right now, and they seem to be rather upset. Here with me today for what's sure to be an
00:02:31.600unbelievable conversation on a wide range of topics is Buckley Carlson. I'm so excited for
00:02:36.460this. I've been waiting for this for months. He's a longtime writer, media strategist, and former
00:02:40.760speechwriter back in 2015 for Donald Trump. He also happens to be the younger bro of Tucker Carlson,
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00:04:09.660insurance company so great to have you buckley so great to be here megan thank you for having me
00:04:17.100i've been anticipating this for a while as well the pleasure's all mine so do you love saying
00:04:21.860that you're the younger brother that tucker's the older one now it's pretty funny very few
00:04:25.820people recognize that i am the younger brother they all call me old leather face and they all
00:04:30.800surmise that i've led a much much rougher life than tucker well i actually reading up on you
00:04:35.640realized you haven't that you both quit drinking decades ago and he can't he quit smoking but you
00:04:41.900keep smoking i quit i also it turned out i was a quitter briefly oh okay for about 12 years okay
00:04:47.180and always doing the nicotine supplements but recently i came back in the fold you quit the
00:04:52.020quitting i quit the quitting because i i'm not that kind of person congratulations commitment
00:04:56.000it turns out we all need vices yes you know very few in my life beyond but honestly like i i i've
00:05:02.780never smoked but i do feel and i trust me i've done a lot of maha on this show and i love maha
00:05:08.240and i'm trying to live a maha life but even i occasionally i'm like i feel like brian johnson
00:05:14.220i want a martini and something else bad for me i don't just feel like can we just relax
00:08:27.400We need to stay cool and allow the police to do their job of investigation, because what I want to see more than anything is the person responsible, held accountable before the law.
00:08:39.660I do not want to see ramping up of tensions.
00:08:42.640I do not want to see other innocent people's lives ruined as a result of what was a completely unacceptable and outrageous attack.
00:08:51.800OK, so it's basically rain in your reaction.
00:08:54.320I don't think it's helpful, she said, for people to seize on this as yet another weapon in the war that they wage on immigration.
00:09:03.640That's not healthy. And I don't think it's fair.
00:09:06.920It's always the reality. So is the Republicans pounce, basically, in response to these incidents.
00:09:12.400Don't hold us responsible for the the awful policies that we've imposed upon you for no reason.
00:09:17.160No identifiable reason that we could articulate.
00:09:20.680Why is this good for Ireland to have to import all of these people that have nothing in common with Ireland, that Ireland can't afford, that Ireland can't fit, that the Irish people don't actually want?
00:09:30.660No one's actually asked the Irish people what they want.
00:09:32.680And when they do, no one in government has asked, and they don't seem to care.
00:09:37.180But if they asked the Irish people, they'd say enough is enough.
00:14:07.680I mean, the idea that he could just say right off the bat, I'm sure there are lots of people watching your show who've been involved in some physical altercation or had to deal with Belize.
00:14:15.260Belize do not often come up and just trust one person of a two party feud.
00:16:36.820Screw you. Yes, absolutely. Do you think these people have any sense of shame? How could you actually produce a piece of copy like that and then read it on the air? I know.
00:16:48.340I think they think they're being the protectors of the poor immigrant community that bullies like Buckley and Meghan are piling on to.
00:16:55.280Except there's probably zero evidence that there are any racial attacks against these people.
00:16:59.780I bet the Irish people, much like the American people, are incredibly charitable and deal with people on an individual basis.
00:17:07.140And I'm sure it would be revealed that there are many hoaxes in Ireland as there are in America.
00:17:13.480You should start prosecuting the people who engage in it.
00:22:35.100showed up in their office and said why not me i'm here yes and then was an independent
00:22:41.060journalist although had worked for abc worked for abc worked for mbc was eventually in television
00:22:47.080and was a media guy for an investigative reporter for most of his career and then he
00:22:56.320joined the administration of reagan and ran the voice of america during the cold war
00:23:02.280Mm-hmm. And you talked about how when you were growing up in that household with your dad, who was determined to raise good young men, his library was your favorite room in the house.
00:23:15.260It was enormous, actually. And it was populated exclusively by every kind of book. All my father's books, he'd read every single one of them, not all in completion, but his passions were endless.
00:23:30.120He knew, he investigated everything and read about everything.
00:23:34.900So it was really an amazing compilation, his library.
00:23:40.420And he taught us to read at a young age and was constantly giving us adult books
00:23:43.940and taking us with him on stories that he did.
00:23:48.900Traveled around with him quite a bit, actually.
00:23:52.500Yes, but his library was a particular sanctuary in that house that we were growing up in
00:23:58.220And then every subsequent house, he had, I think, 15 or 17,000 books in his library when he died.
00:24:17.960They have cocktail napkins in them from special dinners.
00:24:21.160You know, all sorts of Carlson-Elia picked up throughout the world.
00:24:26.740And so you can pull a book off a shelf and it's like a treasure hunt.
00:24:32.100But in the meantime, he was taking the time to write you guys little notes in your lunch pails, in your lunch bags, like a lyric or a limerick or something just to let you know he cared.
00:24:43.060So, I mean, that's pretty extraordinary, especially given the time in the 1970s.
00:24:48.440You know, we hadn't yet gotten the memo that that might be a good thing for a dad to be.
00:24:54.620He took a great interest in both of us and was highly communicative and always made it very clear that you seek out the truth, you defend the truth.
00:25:58.800Look, I'm an incredibly flawed human being.
00:26:01.380I try to lead a virtuous life and a good life, and I absolutely believe in God.
00:26:06.440But like everybody, I've been a sinner and made mistakes.
00:26:09.320I do not judge other people except on the way they raise their children, whether their children like them, because I think you have some control over that.
00:26:19.040It depends on how much time you spend with your children.
00:26:21.140If you focus on your children, if you're honest with your children, and whether or not you have dogs.
00:26:27.160I know some people can't, but you should if you can.
00:31:20.620Like so many people who are worried about the minutia, and I think moms get some credit for being worried about the little things, and she certainly was and was communicative of it.
00:31:31.340But whenever there was a big problem, she was probably the calmest in the family and most faithful about that.
00:31:37.880And she deferred to my father on disciplinary stuff and guidance mostly.
00:33:17.300So now, is it, tell me if you don't want to go there, but I've heard Tucker talk about the fact that your dad, as it turns out, may have been in the CIA.
00:33:26.300Yes, and he gets, and yes, we didn't know that.
00:33:28.720We knew that he was adjacent to it, for sure.
00:33:31.760Sure, he worked for the United States Information Agency.
00:33:34.900Okay, and journalists a lot of times get co-opted.
00:33:37.060I haven't been co-opted into the CIA, but.
00:34:15.840I only know that we got confirmation for sure.
00:34:18.760Tucker and I had talked about it periodically in our lives because my father knew a lot of people in that world, so they were around us a lot.
00:34:30.760But we never confronted him about it, which is weird because we talked to him about absolutely everything, never asked him that.
00:34:38.720And then a week after he died, someone contacted us, wrote us a letter about it, wrote us a letter about his service.
00:36:59.440Yeah, what is it about elected politics and what is it about the Republican Party specifically that encourages them?
00:37:05.900I mean, we need to have – deviant sexual life should not be part of government service because it obviously – obviously you've got weird priorities, but it opens you up to lots of leverage, obviously.
00:37:18.540So is it – do they recruit people who have deviant sexual lives or is there something about power, people who –
00:37:27.520Well, if you are out as a gay man in 2026 America, you're fine.
00:41:03.560I have so many things that I screen grabbed.
00:41:04.960I can't find it, but I'll get it for you and we can talk about it.
00:41:07.740Well, on the heels of the anniversary, since this is kind of a good opener, I don't know if you realize, obviously, Thomas Mazze gave the speech.
00:41:13.960She's the first member of Congress actually to recognize the victims of the USS Liberty 59 years later, the very first one to ever do that in Congress.
00:41:23.180And he he had 12 survivors in the chambers with him.
00:41:27.580And he asked he passed he wants to pass a resolution that says let's have an arrest investigation.
00:41:32.920Do you know that Donald Trump has never once spoken publicly about not issued a tweet, not issued any talking point about the USS Liberty?
00:41:40.740and no one else in the in the caucus no one else in congress rokan has gotten close but as far as
00:41:47.020i can tell from this morning not a single person has said that they would support the victims of
00:41:52.280the uss liberty when it's clear that israel attacked our men clear that the u.s president
00:41:59.120at the time lbj actually approved of the sixth fleet turning around and leaving them to be
00:42:05.680attacked further. And learned last night from a FOIA request from someone that actually it's in
00:42:11.440writing that the U.S. government had considered sinking the remains of the USS Liberty so no one
00:42:17.580could take a picture of the USS Liberty and thereby damage public perception of Israel and
00:42:23.540question our relationship with Israel. That was back in 1967. But I was shocked, sorry, I was
00:42:30.220I'm shocked that not a single other elected official in America has the balls or has, yeah, the balls were the patriotism or the compassion to even recognize these guys who've been so trampled upon, aside from being killed, but they were, they've been thoroughly disrespected in the worst kind of way with our own government.
00:42:51.860You can say whatever you want about our government, but not theirs.
00:43:18.320And most of my audience says, fine, yeah, we understand sometimes you're critical, sometimes you're supportive.
00:43:23.800But you get to Israel, and there is a certain faction of the conservative movement who will tell you it's a hard no, that you're a grifter, that whatever.
00:43:43.900Who is effectively trying to veto any anything, whether it's Tom Massey's congressional seat or a podcaster like me or Tucker trying to talk about this or you on social media raising these points?
00:44:17.740Who runs Salem Media and had to register as a foreign agent for a foreign government.
00:44:21.980And I seem to recall, actually, when he ran the second, the Trump reelect, that, like, millions of dollars had disappeared from the campaign.
00:44:28.260I'm obviously not assailing him personally, but it seems odd that he would be in charge of it.
00:46:14.920so I don't know how these people can make that argument
00:46:17.260that you're an anti-Semite or hate Jews
00:46:20.520because you're questioning a foreign power that has had such an effect
00:46:24.640And it has a sort of a stranglehold, obviously, not just on our foreign policy, but has a huge effect on Donald Trump and the rest of the elected officials who've neglected and are disdainful towards the American people who gave them this power, who put them in power and tolerated them thus far, but don't seem like they have a huge appetite for tolerating it going forward.
00:46:46.500No, it seems clear Trump wants this war done.
00:57:28.560And it's apparently going to get a lot worse, obviously, with the lack of oil, lack of fertilizer, lack of all the things that the world needs.
00:57:37.440The rarest, some of which are coming out of there, helium.
00:58:26.760they have a way of getting their way. So hopefully this will be quick and not too escalatory, but
00:58:33.440this is, this is what happens. I keep going back to what General Stan McChrystal said at the
00:58:37.380beginning of our invasion of Iran or whatever you want to call it, which was, I hope you really
00:58:43.040enjoy the bomb dropping phase of the war for those of you who are in support of this, because
00:58:47.060as it, as wars go, that's the best phase. You get to do a lot of damage from the air.
00:58:53.100You don't tend to lose a lot of men, and you hit a lot of targets, given the great precision and strength of our American military, and then it stops going well.
00:59:04.460I would just say, Alaska, I agree with everything you said completely.
00:59:08.020I'm just shocked also to the extent to which we have—Trump has undermined the rationale for American power in the region.
00:59:18.340And I think it's – last night a great example was Iran actually got in the middle of Lebanon and Israel and protected the Lebanese from the incessant shelling from Israel.
00:59:33.120And then if you consider the situation in the rest of the Gulf countries and how these countries understood that their association with America guaranteed their security, their physical security, but their economic security as well.
00:59:47.280and then we have completely failed to provide that for them.
00:59:51.320So obviously the wreckage of this perfectly short war at the moment
00:59:57.880that is clearly about to get a lot worse has been demonstrably bad
01:00:02.420and does seem to be getting so much worse.
01:00:04.320And it was clearly anticipated even by people who only would have to study it
01:00:10.060for a moment to recognize what the effects would be.
01:00:13.340And people around Donald Trump certainly knew,
01:02:27.040I don't know how to fix them at this point other than stop doing the one thing that's driving them up.
01:02:33.020Yes. And even then, even if you opened up the straight-up from O's tomorrow and it was free and clear for, you know, 20 percent of the world's oil, how many years does it take, did your financial advisor say?
01:02:45.100Because I've read it's like three or four years to get back on track.
01:02:48.820And as you pointed out, those prices are never coming down again.
01:02:51.520And people had still been trying to recover from the obscene inflation under the Biden administration's mismanagement.
01:02:58.840And they had every right, obviously, to expect that Trump, one, could do it, and two, would spend a lot of time thinking about how to do it.
01:03:56.180Because the Obamacare subsidies are going away.
01:03:58.740And American hospitals are failing for a lot of reasons, but thanks to crazy immigration policy, obviously, which very few people talk about.
01:04:07.860Also, the scam with the nonprofit hospitals who are – I don't know if you know much about that.
01:04:13.780But the nonprofit hospitals in America who are required to provide this benefit to the surrounding communities in which they live actually don't.
01:04:24.160The experience has degraded enormously, and at the same time, the administrative, hospital administration salaries, everything has skyrocketed.
01:04:35.360Yeah, wait times, even quality of care has been drastic.
01:04:39.700Well, I was going to say the only thing worse than this conversation and the realities of it would be to be a conservative or a Republican experiencing all of this in L.A.
01:04:48.500where no matter what you do it's never going to change they will make sure yes despite the will
01:05:00.400of the people i mean they've had a long period despite the recent clear vote stealing yes whatever
01:05:06.440yes it is it's vote stealing obviously i was like i don't i was thinking about this today i'm like
01:05:10.740you could call it fraud i think a more accurate word would just be cheating yes absolutely i don't
01:05:16.520think they're actively fooling anyone in the way a fraud would. They're just cheating. That's how
01:05:23.080it looks to me. And there are all sorts of reports of how Steve Hilton said this yesterday, and he
01:05:27.320was 100% right. We went back and fact-checked him, my team. Did you know you have to get your
01:05:31.500ballot in by voting day, postmarked by voting day? We knew that. That's an outrage. You don't
01:05:38.960actually have to have it postmarked. You can write the date that you put it in the mail on
01:05:46.260the exterior. So you could have voting days, Tuesday, you could have a Thursday postmark,
01:05:52.400but as long as you've written on it, Tuesday, whatever voting day was, they'll accept it.
01:05:59.720I looked at the law myself. It's insane. And there are all sorts of reports of them going to
01:06:04.700these Democrat groups are so well organized going to homeless people. You don't actually
01:06:08.760have a signature. You can have an X or a line for your signature. As long as you have a witness who
01:06:13.740says they saw you sign it and who are these witnesses you know it's like basically acorn
01:06:18.260those remember that group it's groups like that so there that's why in my opinion you see all
01:06:25.680these votes coming in that i i could buy democrat the democrat overtakes the republicans it's
01:06:30.920california it's la i don't buy nithya ramen way more than karen bass their existing mayor who by
01:06:38.260the way happens to be black and a woman too i mean nithya is indian i i just don't i don't buy that
01:06:43.100No one even knew who that was a month ago.
01:06:45.640She cried on election night because she lost and she knew it.
01:10:37.320Figuring out who is a double agent by questioning them internally and figuring out which terrorists who were supposedly helping us were actually working still for the other side.
01:11:20.600shooting out of his fingers, or he's just a very nervous public speaker who's learned to mask it
01:11:26.740somehow in his delivery, but not in his body motions. Oh, I like that. I've never seen,
01:11:31.620I never read that. I like that theory. I think I passed the test. Yeah, you haven't moved a second.
01:11:38.240Do you, is there any Democrat you could ever vote for?
01:11:42.800Gosh, there used to be, there used to be a number of Southern Democrats I really liked. I'm trying
01:11:47.260to think. There is a congresswoman in California, actually, who, thank her name, she's recent.
01:11:54.020Ro Khanna has been reasonable on a number of things. I've admired him. I've admired his
01:11:58.500courage. I generally can't think of any America-loving, reasonable, honest people on the
01:12:06.100left. Of course, anybody who attacks Donald Trump is now a leftist or a Soviet show, an
01:12:12.260Israel hater. So you'd think that I would have some experience with that. No, I can't
01:12:16.060Actually, think of any reasonable Democrats.
01:12:18.160I'm sure there must be some, but I'm not aware of any beyond.
01:12:23.400Well, what do you make of somebody like a Graham Plattner in Maine who has been saying, like, we're done with the Israel lobby nonsense, which is good.
01:12:45.120There are a lot of people listening to this show, all young Republicans now, a vast majority of young Republicans even are Israel skeptical.
01:13:03.500Who doesn't say the lunatic things like that second part, but is finally going to try to put an end to this weird, unhealthy relationship we have.
01:15:06.580Big ag, big pharma, the fact that you're being surveyed at all times, that you're being poisoned at all times, the fact that we're moving inexorably towards fake currency that they can control.
01:15:20.260Not to mention AI that's going to wipe out all of our children's jobs.
01:15:23.400Yes, and not a single person in national office is articulating how – they all seem thrilled by it.
01:15:28.800And then, of course, there's the corruption that is just out in the open now.
01:15:36.580But anyway, but people are aware. People are like, yes, this doesn't work. Democratic Party there. It might actually bring people together. Actually, it's revealed that there's this uniparty power structure, because no matter what you say in public or no matter whom you vote for, you're still getting the program that benefits someone else other than the American people.
01:15:56.040that's just so obvious now um so transparency declaration of no foreign money uh and then
01:16:05.000maybe we could also stop electing people who have deviant sexual lives people who do in fact believe
01:16:10.320in god people who embrace life people who didn't aspire to power their entire lives like class
01:16:16.200presidents who rise through staffers in congress for their entire careers maybe people who've
01:16:22.060actually employed others and people who are married and have children and display the kind
01:16:29.300of values that represent this old school yeah i mean so in that sense i think it's there's hope
01:16:36.200yes it's always like the phoenix always comes up from the ashes yes so it does seem like you have
01:16:42.580to burn it down yeah i mean it was burning so it's like if it's gonna burn down might as well
01:16:47.500throw the accelerant on there get it over with and start over absolutely slow death is not a good
01:16:52.560i don't know it's like i i don't know maybe i'm just naive because i just feel like okay
01:16:58.860trump ran for office on a very positive agenda that i was very much behind he's completely blown
01:17:05.260up the middle east promises and the no war promises that's obvious um he does seem very much
01:17:11.760attuned to what those massive interest groups want him to do. All politicians basically are
01:17:20.360or have to be, otherwise they can't get elected. Like that's, it's very rare to find the man who
01:17:25.320can say, I'm not taking any of their money and I don't care what they have to say and can get
01:17:30.660elected. Like their money controls everything. It manipulates us at every turn, whether we know it
01:17:35.680or not. So like, you can have an honest guy like that, say something like that, like a Massey. I
01:17:40.860think rand paul is also honest like i do think he's got his principles and he votes on his
01:17:44.460principles he doesn't give a shit whether you like them or not very much so um so he's gotten
01:17:49.000up to that level u.s senate he's you know none of the pauls has ever been able to cross over to the
01:17:54.400next level um so i i guess i'm still clinging to the hope that trump can get back to at least
01:18:02.580the pieces of the agenda that aren't controlled by those people you know yes like maybe we can
01:18:07.920Like, I'm concerned because the Easter breakfast tape that was leaked of Trump talking to the group was Trump saying the federal government really can't do anything other than foreign policy.
01:18:20.240And that seemed to be a moment of honesty for him.
01:18:23.860He's not totally wrong either, if we're being honest and fair to him.
01:18:28.460Like, the federal government really can't do that much, at least not with out 60 votes in the U.S. Senate.
01:18:33.920It does require – well, they should get rid of the filibuster.
01:18:57.160You have to declare that it's a priority for you, as he did during the campaign.
01:19:00.840And he's been so distracted by the warfare for Israel.
01:19:06.880So he has some, obviously his power, he's revealed this too, his power, the power of the chief executive in America is not only diminished, but it's revealed to have been well diminished what people expected.
01:19:19.560But if he pivoted, if he solved this problem in the Middle East by disengaging from Israel and returned his focus to a domestic focus, there's a lot to address here in America.
01:19:32.240He addressed it well. He articulated a path forward that wasn't going to be easy but that was achievable and that was supported by not just the coalition that voted for him.
01:19:42.840By the way, as you know better than most, a coalition that had really never been assembled in our demographic America in our lifetimes.
01:19:59.380um and he needs to recalibrate he needs to refocus on american americans and he he will he will be
01:20:09.020able to affect some change if he does that i actually don't have any faith that he will i
01:20:12.820think he's demonstrated that he can't the most positive thing you said was the small executive
01:20:17.060that's what we need yes that's what we need i don't want a big presidency at all whether it's
01:20:22.180trump or anybody else like pick the politician you most deeply admire whoever it is i don't want
01:20:26.920them to have a big presidency like let's shrink it down like politics was supposed to be controlled
01:20:31.860at the local level the states were supposed to be more autonomous it's only in recent a modern
01:20:37.100american history that we've gotten into this weird cult of personality around the president
01:20:41.680and we're all focused on our president and we like to imbue him with all sorts of powers with
01:20:46.780his magic wand to come in and do things like crime fighting at the local level i we it's part it's
01:20:53.380mostly probably the media's fault for not focusing at all on state and local elections where
01:20:59.780differences actually can be made and who wins the state house actually has far more effect on your
01:21:04.960life than who wins the white house yes um it is a cultural problem though because it used to be
01:21:11.240a part-time legislature and it government federal government is not there to do anything other than
01:21:18.180protect the homeland and you know keep the the currency and and the economy running basically
01:21:25.180i mean beyond obviously it has other roles but it should generally be it should not be involved in
01:21:32.640every aspect of americans lives as it is now someone said to me the other day they were talking
01:21:37.620about all the various regulatory uh stuff and they're like i could build a shed in my i couldn't
01:21:45.040I tried to build a shed in my backyard and the government showed up and told me I couldn't because it didn't meet all of these various requirements.
01:21:51.780And yet, and yet, and yet our government just gets away with.
01:22:01.660It's one of those things that Mike Rowe is always lamenting that we've gotten to this weird safety culture.
01:22:07.700Now, I mean, if you've applied for a permit and it's been denied, then you really are taking a risk of getting fined by your locals if you build it anyway.
01:22:14.540so I take the point. But do you ever find yourself standing at the stop sign when you're
01:22:19.460trying to cross and no one's coming or red light? No. And you don't go. And you're like,
01:22:25.860never. What am I doing? Yeah. Committed jaywalkers. So I, I find myself, I'm like,
01:22:30.040what am I doing? No, walk, walk. You're fine. Like we've gotten too compliant. I think we've
01:22:36.660gotten too compliant. Oh, there's no doubt about it. I mean, I'm getting harangued by people not
01:22:41.760wearing a mask outside in the rain during covid walking in the park with my dogs you know people
01:22:47.600need to be individually responsible for their own actions individually responsible for the lives
01:22:52.580the safety of their children and their families and need to toughen up obviously and you can't
01:22:59.080look to the state to to protect you one that's very clear the state is not going to protect you
01:23:04.400yep as a dog owner you're not going to call the cops if you have someone outside your house
01:23:09.140and shoot your dog and probably shoot you.
01:23:10.840If I opened the door and my dog ran out there,
01:23:13.480they'd be terrified for a good 30 seconds
01:23:15.280until he licked them and snuggled them
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01:28:04.620say the one and only but there there is another buckley carlson tucker's son is named buckley
01:28:08.340that that must have gotten confusing he hasn't gotten my credit card bills yet or been served
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01:28:24.520reliably informed um okay so this case carmelo anthony is very disturbing and here is what we
01:28:32.820know as of this hour. Okay. The defense asked for manslaughter to be added is a possible new charge
01:28:43.820in the charging documents. The judge, John Roach Jr. ruled on Tuesday that the jury may indeed
01:28:50.260consider it along with murder. That's very, very good for the defense because this guy looks,
01:28:57.100I mean, unless some massive jury nullification happens, there's going to be a conviction here.
01:29:01.580The proof was overwhelming. The defense was pathetic. And if they get the manslaughter charge, that's very good because at least then you get a chance of like heartstrings of the jury. The defendant is only 17 at the time he commits the crime. He does not have a criminal history. He doesn't seem to have been in trouble with the law prior to this.
01:29:21.080by any reports. What makes you so callous? You stab a knife into a 17-year-old boy's heart
01:29:28.060who taps you to say you have to leave his tent is something we're going to have to deal with here.
01:29:33.580But it is very possible that they'll go for the manslaughter charge. Here is what we heard
01:29:38.840in the final arguments, the defense and the closing argument.
01:29:44.840The guy's name is Mike Howard representing him. He's not legal aid, by the way. There are some
01:29:48.860reports online because people produced a GoFundMe for him that had $600,000 to $900,000 in it.
01:29:56.380And everyone online, a lot of people are outraged saying he wound up with a public
01:30:00.060defender. What did he do with the money? Because they were at this mansion, he and his parents
01:30:04.340and his family, for the past year pending this case. And it turns out they were renting that
01:30:12.020place. They did use some of that money, but they are paying this lawyer. He used to be legal aid,
01:31:06.380He mentions that Metcalfe's twin brother, Hunter, had confronted Anthony allegedly shortly before the stabbing,
01:31:11.020despite testimony that did not show any evidence of that.
01:31:14.080So he's just throwing random made-up facts into his closing.
01:31:17.900Mello had an absolute right to defend himself, he said.
01:31:21.600If you wait until it's too late to defend yourself, it's meaningless.
01:31:26.000Again, that's not the law, and this is not going to be consistent with what the jury gets charged on proportionate responses when it comes to physicality.
01:31:33.920He questioned whether all witnesses who testified at the trial were truthful.
01:31:38.340Um, Metcalfe's family friend who was present in the audience was visibly upset during Howard's, uh, closing, shaking her head, mouthing, what is this? As Michael Howard repeated several falsehoods, Carmelo Anthony watched his lawyer intently as he spoke on behalf of his client.
01:31:55.460And let's see, he said, oh, he was making a big deal of the fact that Carmelo Anthony
01:32:01.140did not run after he stabbed Austin Metcalfe, saying he stayed there crying.
01:32:19.220It's clear he thought he stabbed him in a place that Austin was not going to die.
01:32:25.460And he claimed that that Austin, the victim, reportedly said to Carmelo, according to a witness, if you don't move, I'll beat your ass again.
01:32:38.660OK, there's that's not what the overwhelming testimony was here.
01:32:42.660And he says, as much as we may not like it, even even a 17 year old kid can legally have a five and a half inch knife, even in a high school stadium.
01:32:51.480It's a violation of policy, but not a crime.
01:32:54.360Texas law does not require that you wait
01:37:03.280like Black Panther riots when we get a guilty verdict. Honestly, if we don't get a guilty
01:37:07.960verdict there, you could see, you could see massive protests the other way. There's just,
01:37:11.340this case is open and shut. There is no reasonable doubt. And I would tell you if I saw anything that
01:37:16.800they could really exploit there, there isn't, there wasn't, you know, you just said something
01:37:20.420interesting that I wanted to ask you about the race relations having been absolutely crushed
01:37:27.360in this country by Barack Obama. And it reminded me of something you said when you were on Tucker's
01:37:31.560Joe, about how this is one of the reasons you became so disappointed in a politician you had
01:37:36.400previously admired, John McCain. Because he would not take the case, like make the case about Barack
01:37:43.320Obama. And for that matter, Mitt Romney didn't make the case. And Mitt Romney even worse than
01:37:49.420McCain because, I mean, McCain had a lot of fodder on this front with Reverend Wright and all that
01:37:54.880too. But he'd been governing for four years and Mitt Romney didn't go there. But Barack Obama,
01:37:59.520The truth is, while he was supposed to be our first, like, black president, we're going to settle all the race relations, was the most divisive president when it comes to the issue of race that we've had in modern times.
01:39:17.000But he yes, that they'd never interjected themselves in a case like that.
01:39:21.660But Barack Obama, at the same time he injected himself in the case, then took enormous credit for being like fair and balanced and not involved, which he did on several other fronts.
01:39:32.520And then he came up with the most annoying phrase ever from someone who's not an American who doesn't doesn't display the priorities of a lot of Americans and said, that's just not who we are.
01:39:45.760Well, we don't need the government telling us we don't need an elected politician telling us who we are.
01:39:51.120The American public know who—American people know exactly who they are.
01:39:54.820They don't need someone else telling them that, especially someone who's so unimpressive and so hostile towards his own citizens, as Barack Obama was, and white people especially.
01:40:06.020The people who love Barack Obama to this day say, it was a scandal-free administration.
01:41:36.880Now, of course, you're encouraged to buy weed and pharmaceuticals and anything else you want.
01:41:40.920But it had also had an essential part in the American story economically and at the same time the federal government and every state in the country essentially had taken it upon themselves to invest their public employee funds, their retirement funds in tobacco at the same time they were attacking tobacco companies.
01:42:01.900It was repellent and it was a huge money grab and it enriched a lot of lawyers.
01:42:08.240I hope it helps you if you worked on it.
01:42:10.560I mean, I guess, yeah, by extension, I got a salary.
01:42:13.540But I actually never felt embarrassed about that work.
01:42:16.020I felt like, well, why wouldn't we defend R.J. Reynolds?
01:42:18.180I mean, the warnings were actually, everybody knew smoking was bad for you.
01:43:18.520But I generally just want to kill some member of Congress when they hear this, eh, eh, eh.
01:43:22.580And I've always wondered – I've always wondered as I'm holding a coffee cup and sometimes a cigarette when I'm driving and I'm harangued to put my seatbelt on and I fiddle around trying to put it on as I'm driving.
01:43:33.840And I think, how many people have gotten in a head-on collision just so they could turn that noise off and put their seatbelt on?
01:43:39.640And now soon your car is going to be spying on you with, like, a camera, and it's going to know everything you're doing and thinking and saying.
01:43:47.040I don't know who they're going to be reporting it to.
01:43:48.840Who's got the time to surf through that data?
01:43:52.800There's going to be a huge argument in formerly owned cars from before 2021.