The Megyn Kelly Show - Shocking Revolving Door at FDA and Pfizer, and How to Live Forever, with Dr. Aseem Malhotra and Bryan Johnson ｜ Ep. 1014

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.740 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.020 Oh, we have a great, great health and wellness show lined up for you today.

00:00:49.980 But some important things to get to, well, both in the actual show and first,

00:00:55.800 with this announcement in an exclusive here at The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:00.840 This is a follow-up to a story we brought you a couple of weeks ago

00:01:03.800 when we had U.S. Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama here.

00:01:08.900 Coach, we talked about the fact that the Senate was not bringing the Protection of Women and Girls

00:01:16.420 in Sports Act to the floor. Watch.

00:01:19.480 79% of the people in this country, Republican and Democrats, say it is wrong for men or boys

00:01:26.420 to participate in women's sports. John Thune told me he's going to get it to the floor. He hadn't done it.

00:01:31.180 Now, it's time to put up or shut up. 50 years of Title IX, it has been decimated by the Biden and the

00:01:38.260 Democrats and all the far-left progressives. Now is the time to put pressure on the Democrats.

00:01:43.580 Get them on the vote that they're going to vote against girls and women. Just don't worry about 0.99

00:01:50.000 winning or losing on this. Let's get it out there where people can see what's going on.

00:01:53.280 Well, we can report exclusively now that the bill will, in fact, hit the floor. It's expected to hit

00:02:00.020 tomorrow. All GOP senators are expected to vote yes. We'll see about the other side of the aisle.

00:02:07.140 They've got to get through the cloture vote first, which is where they vote on whether they should

00:02:13.320 have a vote. That's where the Democrats can stop it. So in other words, you need 60 yes votes to

00:02:20.360 allow a vote. And if they can't get 60 yes votes to allow a vote, then the bill dies. If they get 60

00:02:27.280 yes votes to allow a vote, then the Republicans should get this through since they have a majority

00:02:32.220 in the Senate. And all we're told, all GOP senators are expected to vote yes on the Protection of Women

00:02:38.960 and Girls in Sports Act, which does exactly what it says it's going to do and keeps biological boys 0.98

00:02:44.320 out of girls' sports. Will the Democrats, seven of them, cross over to allow a cloture vote so that

00:02:51.560 we can see a substantive vote go forward? We'll watch out. And we will be naming every single name

00:02:57.640 who votes against this. We will be looking at their districts. And I guarantee you that there

00:03:02.980 will be an activation like you've never seen before in every single one of those senators'

00:03:08.320 districts. I'm talking to you, Democrats. Forget Republicans if they did this. Every single Democrat,

00:03:13.580 because this issue has over 80 percent support with the American public. What kind of villain

00:03:19.860 would vote against even allowing a vote to protect young girls? We will be naming you all.

00:03:27.640 If you vote against this. So let's find out. And on the other side, if we get seven Democrats

00:03:33.740 who allow this vote to go forward, who vote for the bill, anybody who actually substantively supports

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00:04:50.220 Later, we're going to be joined by one of the most fascinating men in media right now. His name is

00:04:54.760 Brian Johnson. You probably have seen his promo on Netflix. He's leading the don't die movement.

00:05:02.820 I mean, I think we know how that turns out, but he would say we don't. He has personally taken some

00:05:08.340 extreme measures to try to live up to his movement's name. And if you watch this Netflix

00:05:14.020 documentary, it's crazy the way he's living. But, you know, is he crazy like a fox? Is he going to 0.95

00:05:20.920 outlive us all? And does he have some helpful tips where we could be maybe less extreme, but maybe

00:05:28.140 instead of living forever, we get an extra 10 good years? We will talk to him second hour. First,

00:05:34.880 we start with a close advisor to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as RFKJ takes over at HHS. Dr. Asim Malhotra

00:05:44.100 is the co-founder of Metabolic Reset. It's an online group to support your metabolic health. The

00:05:51.020 doctor has been on this program before, and we talked about his thoughts on things like your LDL

00:05:57.640 cholesterol and how this may not really be the be-all end-all when it comes to predicting whether you're

00:06:04.160 going to have a heart attack. And it was a fascinating episode. He is a cardiologist.

00:06:09.380 Asim, welcome back to the show. Great to see you.

00:06:12.180 Likewise, Megan.

00:06:13.760 I love the time we had together before because it really takes something that's a very scary number

00:06:19.340 to most people, which is that LDL score, and gives people a new way of thinking about it. You know,

00:06:24.360 you can talk to your own cardiologist, but you are a cardiologist, and you were making some really

00:06:28.540 interesting points about how we've been ruled by that number for too long. And we've been totally

00:06:34.860 reliant on these statins for too long, irrespective of whether they cause side effects that can be very

00:06:42.460 annoying to those taking them. So anyway, I'll get you the episode number, folks, so you can go back

00:06:47.540 and take a look at that. But now, Asim is advising RFKJ and has got some thoughts on what's happening at

00:06:55.280 HHS and where RFKJ is likely to take the public health industry. Already, we've seen the need for

00:07:04.200 him just this week in the news. The fact that the FDA's top dog left the FDA and went to Pfizer to be

00:07:15.900 hired as their chief medical officer. This is exactly what RFKJ said he was going to try to

00:07:22.540 tackle, this revolving door between big pharma and our public health agencies, which are obviously

00:07:28.440 compromised. Your thoughts on it? Yeah, Megan, it's just a symptom of a system failure, really,

00:07:33.720 these commercial distortions of health and health care. We had something similar in the UK

00:07:37.820 last year. Jonathan Van Tam, who was a deputy chief medical officer,

00:07:42.500 left his government position to get a lucrative job with Moderna.

00:07:45.900 So it's almost things are happening in parallel. And it's a real issue because we know that the

00:07:51.520 interests of these big corporations, these drug companies is not putting people first. It's about

00:07:56.160 profit. It's profit through manipulation, profit through mass deception. We've seen the worst of

00:08:01.180 the greatest failings of the system played out through the COVID pandemic, certainly with the rollout of

00:08:07.920 the COVID vaccine. And it really just continues. It's this sort of behavior, to be honest, and these

00:08:16.040 sorts of actions just can will undermine trust in the in our institutions and the medical establishment.

00:08:21.120 It's it's really amazing. And it's disgusting. I mean, this woman, she actually went to FDA

00:08:28.440 from Pfizer, then goes to FDA overseeing public health, and the drugs that are going to be fed to

00:08:35.300 us, and then goes right back out back to Pfizer. I mean, whose interest is she actually serving?

00:08:40.900 Yeah. So, you know, it's interesting, because also, let's people need to understand why or how this

00:08:47.900 happens. One of the problems we have with, you know, the approval of the of drugs or vaccines is

00:08:55.320 that the so called regulatory agencies that people believe to be independent are not the FDA gets 65%

00:09:01.560 of its funding from big pharma. So what that means is as well, for the people, for the people again,

00:09:06.740 can you just say that again? I don't know if people understand that. Yeah, the FDA and other

00:09:12.600 regulators, like in the UK, the MHRA, get most of their funding from pharma. So the FDA gets 65%

00:09:18.800 of its funding from big pharma. So it's in the interests in a way you can understand. So the

00:09:23.500 people working the FDA who are approving the drugs, they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.

00:09:27.400 But also, if they are friendly to industry, they potentially know that down the line, they're going

00:09:32.920 to get offered lucrative jobs with big pharma. You know, government, government jobs don't pay

00:09:37.220 as well as, you know, these big corporations do. So it's a it's a huge bias in the system. And it's

00:09:43.180 damaging. It's very, very damaging. And you use the right word. Disgusting. Disgusting is the right

00:09:47.800 word, Megan. What do you mean they get 65% of their funding from big pharma? Like, what do you mean?

00:09:53.000 Why isn't the federal government funding the FDA? Yeah, well, that's a really good question. So I think

00:09:58.000 things really started to I mean, this is part of the economic system we're in, Megan. So in the up

00:10:04.220 until sort of the 80s, maybe early 90s, most of the funding of these regulatory agencies came from

00:10:09.760 from government. But because of the economic change, something called the neoliberalism that was

00:10:15.080 the brainchild of a Chicago economist who was very close to Ronald Reagan, his name was Milton Friedman.

00:10:20.480 He basically, you know, wanted to reduce regulations, if you like, and allow companies to basically,

00:10:26.660 you know, have open season, when it came to drug development, less regulation, etc. And government

00:10:34.740 obviously thought it was it was better for them to reduce spending, not knowing what the consequences

00:10:39.880 would be. I don't think this was deliberate. And over time, what would happen is the drug companies

00:10:43.680 then took over funding the very industries that supposed to regulate them, because it's in it suits

00:10:48.140 their interests, doesn't it, of course, because then they get more drugs approved more quickly.

00:10:51.800 And, and we're now in a situation where we're having to deal with a massive over medicated

00:10:57.440 population around the world in the United States. You know, it's estimated globally, I've said this

00:11:03.240 before, but people need to hear it again, that the third most common cause of death after heart

00:11:07.080 disease and cancer globally is prescribed medications. This is not even to do with the

00:11:11.460 COVID vaccine or the vaccine. This is pre pandemic figures. And this is just one symptom of why we've got

00:11:17.380 here already, Megan. It's, this is all connected. It's unacceptable. Discussing, right? The, the, the

00:11:22.960 way we eat, the toxins that we ingest on a daily basis, the way we poison ourselves with virtually

00:11:28.440 everything that's all around us. And then a public health system that gets rich off of chronic illness

00:11:34.980 and federal regulators who are supposed to be looking out for us who actually are on the take

00:11:39.280 to big pharma and industries like that in more interest in padding their own pockets than they are

00:11:45.360 potentially in helping the rest of us, or at least that's how it looks. I mean, I don't know this

00:11:49.640 Patrizia Cavazzoni, but she was the director of the FDA's center for drug evaluation and research

00:11:57.620 from 2020 through this past January. She resigned just ahead of Trump returning to office. And now

00:12:04.580 where does she go? Chief medical officer at Pfizer. Well, it's interesting, Megan, because I didn't know

00:12:09.540 that. And that for me suggests that she had a big role to play in the approval of the COVID vaccine.

00:12:15.360 Which we know has been an absolute horror, right? If you look at the evidence now, if you allow me

00:12:20.740 to elaborate a little bit on that, I mean, things keep accumulating over time. You know, when the,

00:12:26.320 when the, when the COVID vaccine was approved, let's say Pfizer and Moderna, which was the most

00:12:30.140 prominent COVID vaccines used in the United States, we were under this impression and it was obviously

00:12:35.860 fueled by, you know, all sorts of media, especially the legacy media, that it was going to be

00:12:41.640 very protective, maybe 95 to a hundred percent protective against infection, et cetera, et cetera.

00:12:46.960 And of course that all, you know, ultimately proved to be false. But the, when the original

00:12:51.920 trials were reanalyzed by independent scientists, and this was then published in the peer reviewed

00:12:56.540 journal vaccine, which is the highest impact medical journal for vaccines. What they found is

00:13:01.460 from the very beginning, Megan, you were more likely to suffer serious harm from the COVID vaccine,

00:13:07.600 mRNA vaccines than you were to be hospitalized with COVID. And that serious harm rate in the trial

00:13:13.280 was only a short-term harm. Cause I want to come onto the long-term harms in a second.

00:13:17.120 And that was a rate of about one in 800, right? So if you, if you think, and that's on the most

00:13:23.080 rigorous data, that's their own original trials where everything is supposed to be equal in terms

00:13:27.840 of the participants who are in the placebo group, who don't get the vaccine, the ones that get the

00:13:31.860 vaccine, same background, same age, et cetera. But when these trials are designed and they were all,

00:13:37.300 they were designed by the drug company. So this is another problem. You know, they design the trials,

00:13:41.420 they control the data. They then give summary results to the regulator. The regulator then

00:13:45.780 approves them. But of course it's in the interest of the regulator to approve them if they're getting

00:13:48.880 funding from big pharma. So it's a complete mess. That's just short-term harms. And then there was

00:13:54.340 an interesting survey done in the United States, which was published in one of the major medical

00:13:58.420 journals. I must say though, later retracted, not because of error, but because of pressure,

00:14:02.500 because of the media frenzy that happened as a result of it. They did a survey,

00:14:07.100 in the United States that revealed, according to 57% of people surveyed, felt that they knew

00:14:12.380 somebody, either they'd been severely injured or they knew someone that had died or been severely

00:14:16.420 injured from the vaccine. They extrapolated from that and estimated there may have been in the first

00:14:20.920 year of the COVID vaccine in the United States alone, Megan, 280,000 deaths and 1 million serious

00:14:28.620 adverse events. Now, given the other data we know from around the world, there was a publication,

00:14:33.980 the BMJ by Dutch researchers, which suggested the COVID vaccines have contributed to 2 million

00:14:39.740 excess deaths globally. You know, this is pretty horrific stuff. And only last week, you may be

00:14:47.900 aware, Yale researchers published new research that showed a long-term effect problem from the vaccine,

00:14:55.640 which is that people who had what we call post-vaccine syndrome or long COVID symptoms like fatigue and

00:15:00.980 brain fog, for example, two years after having the vaccine and Megan, they found in this particular

00:15:06.560 group, they didn't look at other groups, that there was still circulating spike protein in the body,

00:15:11.600 which essentially can be causing damage to the tissues or causing an autoimmune reaction.

00:15:16.460 I personally, Megan, and I was pretty okay after the initial vaccine, about a year and a half after the

00:15:23.320 vaccine, I developed psoriasis, an autoimmune condition linked to that depression. And I wasn't sure what was

00:15:29.400 going on. And there's a brilliant doctor in Malibu, a very well-known established gastroenterologist

00:15:35.420 called Sabine Hazan. And she did some published research, which is pretty extraordinary and a bit

00:15:40.080 scary, but we need to talk about it, is that she found that three years after taking the COVID vaccine,

00:15:47.740 a very important bacteria in the gut called bifida bacteria, it's a very important part of the gut

00:15:52.220 microbiome. It's a good bacteria. After three years, went down to zero. Now, why that's important is that

00:15:58.460 bacteria is very important for health. It's important for producing neurotransmitters like

00:16:03.040 serotonin. So a lot of people might be suffering from anxiety, depression because of a vaccine they

00:16:06.880 had two or three years ago. It triggered, I almost certainly, she feels, she called me up and said,

00:16:11.520 Asim, you have the exact signature of someone who's vaccine injured because your bifida is zero. And

00:16:15.880 I've had this resistant problem for now, you know, coming up to a year and a half, I've still got

00:16:21.100 depression. It's mild, but it's still debilitating at times. And I see other doctors I speak to are

00:16:27.000 saying they're seeing an explosion of autoimmune conditions. Megan, if you don't mind me asking,

00:16:30.160 I remember you mentioned the fact that you had some issue that you think was vaccine related

00:16:33.880 that caused an autoimmune issue of you as well. Yeah, but I tested positive for an autoimmune

00:16:36.640 condition, though it was undiagnosed or unspecified, which one.

00:16:40.920 Right. Okay. So, and in your mind, do you feel it may have been linked from, you know,

00:16:45.020 with everything you know about your health? Well, I asked the rheumatologist. No, I asked the

00:16:47.660 rheumatologist. I said, do you think this could be linked to the fact that I got the,

00:16:52.460 I got double shotted by COVID by Pfizer. I had both of the vaccines and then I got one booster

00:16:58.760 and in New York, you couldn't travel. You couldn't do anything unless you prove it was just ridiculous. 0.98

00:17:04.100 I wish I hadn't done it, but I did. So I got that third booster, first booster and third shot total.

00:17:11.060 And within a month I got COVID. It was right when the Omicron version started to circulate.

00:17:16.900 So within a month I both had the, the, the booster and then COVID and that then I had my

00:17:22.880 annual physical and it showed up and I then got sent to a rheumatologist and I asked her,

00:17:27.840 do you think this, cause it was unspecified. It was like, which one they tested for a few

00:17:31.480 specific autoimmunes. It didn't like register one or versus another. And I said, do you think

00:17:36.940 this could be because of what just happened with the, getting the booster and then getting COVID

00:17:41.580 within a month? And she said, yes, I do. And she, you're not the only patient I have seen

00:17:47.300 have this exact sequence of events. Yeah. So I think this is, I mean,

00:17:51.900 something I'm seeing with lots of patients as more and more reports coming out. Um, and I think,

00:17:56.640 you know, what really needs to happen, Megan, now there needs to be a moratorium on this COVID

00:18:00.700 vaccine globally. Um, you know, certainly I know, and I'm sure you've read this, that,

00:18:04.380 you know, people who are in prominent positions, certainly with, you know, within the new Trump

00:18:08.920 administration, I know they've already expressed concerns historically about the COVID vaccines.

00:18:12.800 We don't need to name them. We all know who they are, but I think the one thing that still needs

00:18:16.140 to happen. And I I've got to be honest, I think, you know, president Trump is, is a remarkable man

00:18:21.200 in the way that he has come back. He's so resilient. He's exactly the disruptor we need right now to

00:18:27.080 really change the system for the good. And he's made some really important comments about making sure

00:18:31.700 big pharma companies are accountable. I don't think yet he's on the same page and probably because he

00:18:36.120 doesn't have the full information around the COVID vaccine. One of the things that keeps getting

00:18:40.040 perpetuated in the media is this, um, and I'll explain why this is completely false, that the

00:18:45.840 COVID vaccine has saved tens of millions or millions of lives. And the data on which that, you know,

00:18:52.160 that information is based, um, Megan is not even it's, it's the lowest level quality of evidence.

00:18:59.200 It's not even considered in the hierarchy of evidence-based medicine to the extent where one of

00:19:04.260 the leading figures in the world in evidence-based medicine, a guy called Carl Hedigan at the center

00:19:08.160 of evidence-based medicine in Oxford wrote an article saying that this claim is implausible,

00:19:13.460 not just him in the United States. You have the most cited medical researcher in the world. His name's

00:19:18.180 professor John Ioannidis from Stanford. I call him the Stephen Hawking of medicine. You know, a couple of

00:19:23.400 years ago, he wrote an article in one of the peer-reviewed journals saying that non-randomized studies. So

00:19:27.740 studies, which aren't the one, which I described earlier with a one in 800 figure of harm.

00:19:31.720 He says that claims of them being, you know, so beneficial or preventing deaths from COVID,

00:19:37.500 et cetera, et cetera, may be spurious. In other words, fake. So, you know, we need to really put

00:19:42.560 this to bed. And I think, um, if anybody, you know, we have this conversation so that president

00:19:48.140 Trump, and I think he's, he's up for turning because I think he was deceived. He was misled by

00:19:52.440 these drug companies. We need to get a situation where he comes out and says, listen, you know what,

00:19:56.860 we did this with the best of intentions, you know, we, and it's true. We may have saved,

00:20:01.460 you know, some lives, certainly in the high risk people, but overall now the fact that it was given

00:20:05.660 to so many other people at low risk, it's very clear, Megan, for me, it's very, very clear with

00:20:10.660 the evidence that we've done more harm than good here. And it needs to stop. And, and the reason we

00:20:14.640 need to stop this- So right about now, let me ask you this, Asim. And by the way, before I forget,

00:20:18.160 the earlier episode with Asim was episode 964, 964. Right about now, a lot of viewers are having

00:20:24.280 the water rising right here. Like they're starting to get very stressed out because

00:20:27.900 virtually everybody got the vaccine. And, and we have seen, I mean, who among us has not seen a

00:20:33.640 sudden death by a loved one, a friend, it's somebody else's friend, et cetera, over the past few years

00:20:41.000 and wondered, is it related to that vaccine? And they never say, they will never say it was the

00:20:46.280 vaccine. I mean, just nobody says that, but it's like, okay, young hell, otherwise healthy people

00:20:51.800 are dropping dead. And you both worry for those you love and you worry for yourself. I mean,

00:20:58.280 I talked to people who are going down to Mexico and getting all their blood replaced. I'm like,

00:21:01.960 well, that, how could that possibly work when you've altered your genes? If you've altered your

00:21:07.840 genes, replacing all your blood with new blood is not going to change it. And you, your, your own body,

00:21:12.800 I think replaces your blood anyway, over the course of time. Anyway, is there anything you

00:21:17.520 can say to make them feel better about their prospects right now? Well, listen, I think we

00:21:22.540 have to, you know, confront an uncomfortable truth, Megan, let's be honest, first and foremost,

00:21:26.980 but one of the things why we need to get this stopped and pulled and we need the president involved

00:21:31.440 is because, you know, it's going to give us more information of what we need to do to sort this out,

00:21:37.340 identify who's at risk. So people don't worry unnecessarily identify who may be at risk of a

00:21:41.680 further problem. And then we can use the best minds of science and medicine to actually,

00:21:47.360 you know, allow research to take place, to find the solution, Megan. That's another issue. It's not

00:21:52.880 just like, Oh, you know, people said to me, Dr. Mahotra, and listen, it's happened. People don't

00:21:55.920 know about it. I said, no, this is going to be an ongoing issue. And we need to talk about it right

00:22:00.480 now so that we can stop problems in the future. One of the things I do, for example, is I, you know,

00:22:05.440 I see many patients who are vaccine injured. One of the definite things they can do certainly,

00:22:10.080 which will help is that, which is exactly what, you know, make America health again is about is

00:22:14.960 optimize their health when it comes to diet, when it comes to exercise, when it comes to reducing

00:22:19.440 stress, because all these things are additional factors that make you more likely to suffer from

00:22:24.880 these vaccine injuries. One of the other issues that's emerged as well, unfortunately, is that,

00:22:29.120 you know, and it's interesting, you said you've got, it's not unusual that you got COVID about a month

00:22:32.560 after having the, you know, is it the booster or the second dose, because it, we now know, and this,

00:22:37.120 it sounds crazy to say, and it's not just me. I, I had an email exchange with one of the world's top

00:22:41.520 immunologists. His name is Robert Clancy in Australia. And he just thinks it's, he's just,

00:22:45.760 you know, it's mind boggling for him that it's still being used. It causes immunosuppression.

00:22:50.960 We have one of the world's top oncologists, Angus Dalgleish in the UK, who was actually behind,

00:22:56.320 you know, identifying the CD4 cells being involved in AIDS and HIV, right? He's a very eminent guy.

00:23:01.520 He's an oncologist and an immunologist. And he's saying that it causes immunosuppression

00:23:06.160 and especially people who've had boosters are more vulnerable to getting cancer. I've had people

00:23:10.160 who I know friends of, you know, my friends, younger brothers, et cetera, you know, developing

00:23:16.000 cancer. And it's just, and as a doctor, you know, intuitively something isn't right. And we have the

00:23:21.760 data suggesting that the COVID vaccine has a mechanism where it can do this. Now, I'm not saying this is for

00:23:27.040 everybody. And I think it's still going to be in a, in a minority, but you know, the problem is we're

00:23:33.760 now in a situation and I am also equally anxious having thought I was probably okay. And as you know,

00:23:39.280 my father died as a result of the COVID vaccine almost certainly had a sudden cardiac death six

00:23:43.360 months after having two doses of Pfizer is that we're now in this uncertain phase where is, you know,

00:23:49.680 can problems develop in three or four or five years times that the moment we're, we're basically

00:23:55.760 ticking bombs. I, you know, I don't like to use these words lightly, but, um, you know, I, sorry,

00:24:01.280 I don't want to, I don't want to exaggerate the fear, but we need to really have this conversation,

00:24:06.160 not be afraid to say we are concerned. And there's been no accountability. That's the thing.

00:24:10.960 Like I remember saying on this program, if something is goes very wrong with the vaccine,

00:24:18.000 these drug companies are going to have to fix it because look at the number of people who are

00:24:22.320 taking the vaccine. There's no way they'll be able to just allow millions of people to be vaccine

00:24:26.480 injured and move forward. And I I've never been more wrong about anything that that is the number

00:24:31.840 one thing I have been wrong about. Um, they they've been, they've moved on. I mean, Steve Krakauer,

00:24:37.520 my EP was just saying in my ear, we couldn't have even had this conversation three years ago.

00:24:41.200 I mean, as it is, YouTube's probably going to slap a bunch of warnings on this discussion. Fine.

00:24:44.560 Nobody reads your warnings, YouTube. Um, but even to get this video to live three years ago would

00:24:50.480 have been very hard for us. And so it's like the mere fact that you're allowed to raise these

00:24:54.880 questions and say these things is real progress, but we're far, far, far from Pfizer having to look

00:24:59.600 at us and say, here's what we're doing about it. Yeah, no, of course. And actually their model,

00:25:05.440 in fact, is probably, and this is how business is done, make money from both sides is that they are

00:25:10.560 now gonna, you know, they've invested heavily in, in cancer drugs for turbo cancers, which are also

00:25:15.600 one of the potential adverse effects of this COVID vaccine. So, you know, and that's why I, you know,

00:25:21.200 the definition of this is important for people to understand. We, we have, you know, these big

00:25:25.360 corporations have got more power than ever. They've become the dominant force in our society, more

00:25:30.000 economic power than many governments. Okay. Almost tyrannical to a large degree. And the way

00:25:36.240 to describe them as legal entities and the way they make money has been defined by the preeminent

00:25:42.400 expert, Robert Hare psychologist, as actually fulfilling the criteria for psychopath, psychopathy,

00:25:47.760 you know, callous and concern for the safety of others, incapacity to experience guilt, repeated

00:25:52.080 lying and conning others for profit, you know, and, uh, and this is something that I've seen and been

00:25:57.120 very much aware of pre pandemic. I had, of course I had a blind spot on, on the COVID vaccine as I

00:26:01.920 had for all vaccines, Megan, uh, because I took two doses myself, but with all the other drugs in

00:26:06.880 the system, I knew that this is exactly how it worked. Um, and of course you see this confluence

00:26:12.960 of interest with like big food. People talk about, you know, big food essentially drive the chronic

00:26:17.280 disease and then big pharma give us drugs, which by the way, in general are pretty useless. That's

00:26:22.080 another conversation needs to be had when we talk about making America healthy again. And this is,

00:26:26.080 uh, and this is absolute fact, most drugs. So most, a large proportion for most of the health

00:26:31.600 expenditure in the U S comes from prescription drugs for chronic disease management. Like

00:26:36.800 chronic disease management are things like heart disease, high blood pressure, type two diabetes,

00:26:40.560 for example, so-called high cholesterol. We talked about all already. Most people taking those drugs

00:26:46.240 are not going to get any benefit because this is another, you know, shift in the paradigm in the,

00:26:51.280 in the conversations that happens between doctors and patients. We talked about statins,

00:26:55.120 for example, that the benefit at best from taking a statin and preventing a heart attack,

00:27:00.000 people who are, who have not already had a heart attack, which is most people taking statins is 1%,

00:27:04.160 1 in a hundred patients are not told that they're not given informed choice, but they're all then 0.60

00:27:08.240 exposed to side effects. But the good news is Megan, once this information becomes freely available,

00:27:12.480 these conversations start happening, we can very quickly improve the system. We can get a more

00:27:16.560 efficient healthcare system. We can reduce costs and improve quality as well. At the same time,

00:27:21.040 here's the frustrating thing as a consumer or a patient is even, I wouldn't say I'm anywhere near

00:27:26.480 as like immersed information as the full Maha team is, but I mean, I've done a fair amount of

00:27:33.040 interviews with people like you who are very smart on these issues. And I remain confused. Like for

00:27:37.760 example, on the cholesterol issue, you and I had, we talked about the LDLs and how they may not be the

00:27:42.400 scary thing that your cardiologist or your doctor will tell you they are. And that in fact, as you,

00:27:48.000 you made the point that a higher LDL actually could have a protective effect for older people

00:27:54.400 when it comes to other illnesses and didn't think much of statins and so on. And then I read good

00:28:00.800 energy by Casey means who I love and respect and think she's amazing. She's not a cardiologist,

00:28:04.560 but she is a doctor and she's like, got to keep the LDLs down. Right? So it's like,

00:28:09.520 Oh, I, you know, it's like well-meaning people like me are like, I don't know what to do.

00:28:13.680 Yeah. And you're talking about, you know, your heart health and a potential heart attack. So

00:28:17.840 you don't really don't want to get it wrong. Yeah, no, I get that. And, and, you know,

00:28:21.840 to be fair to, to Casey as well, I mean, I'm in a very unique position when it comes to the

00:28:26.320 cholesterol discussion, because I've probably, I'm not blowing my own trumpet here as an

00:28:30.240 independent doctor, as a cardiologist that doesn't have any link to industry. I've probably done more

00:28:34.880 research and publications and deep dive and understanding of this cholesterol and statin

00:28:39.200 issue than anyone in the world. And the reality is that once you correct for what we call

00:28:44.160 triglycerides and HDL, you know, parts of the cholesterol profile essentially links to excess

00:28:49.120 body fat and insulin resistance, you know, driven by ultra processed food, there is no relationship

00:28:53.600 with LDL cholesterol and development of heart disease. That data was actually already available

00:28:57.680 years ago. You know, the end of the late nineties, um, the, the, the co-director of the Framingham study,

00:29:03.920 which is where cholesterol emerges as a so-called risk factor of heart disease said that if your LDL

00:29:09.040 cholesterol essentially, you know, was below, um, you know, uh, uh, you know, as an independent

00:29:15.280 risk factor did not become apparent as a risk factor of heart disease, unless it was at least

00:29:19.840 above 250 or 300. Um, and most, you know, 99% of people, um, Megan don't have LDL cholesterol that high.

00:29:27.040 And then we did further research in this group of people that have got a very high LDL genetically

00:29:31.520 called familial hyperlipidemia that affects one in 250 people. Let's just look at those.

00:29:35.760 And it's published in BMJ evidence-based medicine period. People can look this up,

00:29:38.960 me and a number of scientists. And we found that in people with very, very high levels of LDL

00:29:43.760 cholesterol above 300, for example, there was no difference in the ones that develop heart disease

00:29:48.640 and their LDL levels and the ones that did develop heart disease. And therefore that is another nail in

00:29:55.280 the coffin to this LDL theory hypothesis that it causes heart disease. You know, it's basically a,

00:30:01.360 I would say a trillion dollars. It's a trillion dollar industry. It's a trillion dollar scam.

00:30:05.440 You know, the statin benefit that I mentioned 1% is there from the trials. Having said that,

00:30:10.880 another caveat again, Megan, which is what we need to do and change the system with Maha 0.94

00:30:14.800 is that these drug trials have never been independently evaluated. So we have to trust

00:30:18.240 drug companies, but let's just say it is true that it's 1% benefit. Okay. Um, that's because statins

00:30:24.640 have an independent effect where they are slightly anti-clotting and anti-inflammatory and heart

00:30:29.520 disease is an inflammatory condition linked to abnormal clotting and insulin resistance.

00:30:34.080 We, when you look at all the other drugs that are lowering cholesterol or diet, just lowering LDL

00:30:38.640 cholesterol. Again, I was, I was involved in this research published in BMDA evidence-based medicine.

00:30:43.920 We looked at this and we found no relationship. So lowering cholesterol per se does not prevent

00:30:49.520 heart attacks or stroke. This is an absolute, you know,

00:30:52.800 what does, what does, what does. Okay. All right. So the, the main driver of heart disease,

00:31:01.760 the number one sort of risk factor is insulin resistance, which basically is linked to five

00:31:08.400 markers. And that's why I set up this program called metabolic health, which is very easy to

00:31:12.400 measure. Very simple. Most doctors aren't having these conversations with patients, which is basically

00:31:16.400 looking at two markers of your cholesterol profile, triglycerides and HDL, so-called good cholesterol,

00:31:21.600 your waist circumference, Megan, whether you have a high blood pressure or what we call pre-high

00:31:26.160 blood pressure, pre-hypertension, or whether you're pre-diabetic or type two diabetic. Now,

00:31:29.760 one in three adult Americans are type two diabetic and 93% of American adults now have suboptimal metabolic

00:31:37.040 health. Okay. The good news, Megan, is this, you can optimize this within weeks of just changing diet,

00:31:43.760 cutting out the ultra processed food, minimizing the sugar and the starches from your diet and,

00:31:48.800 and basically reset us. We call it medical reset. You can do that. Listen to what he just said,

00:31:52.960 what he just said, because I still have heard from my cardiologist, you know, stop eating so much red

00:31:57.920 meat, stop eating so much red meat. And you're, you didn't even mention red meat. You're talking about

00:32:02.560 ultra processed foods, sugar, and starchy carbs. Absolutely. There is no relationship

00:32:10.640 with a consumption of red meat. The most extensive studies have been done, looked in their totality,

00:32:15.680 red meat and heart disease, red meat. I'm not saying it's protective, but it's a very nutritious

00:32:19.440 food. I tell my cardiac patients, these are cardiac patients who have a heart attacks. I tell them,

00:32:24.320 listen, um, cut the ultra processed foods, follow the best components of Mediterranean diet,

00:32:30.000 extra virgin olive oil, oily fish, whole fruit and vegetables. But I'm not worried about how many

00:32:34.400 steaks you eat a week. I'll tell you something interesting. Only yesterday I had a consultation with

00:32:37.680 a patient. This is a great story, Megan. I'm glad I'm going to share this with you for the first time.

00:32:42.160 This is a guy that saw me almost 10 years ago. He comes for a follow-up. He, at the age of 62,

00:32:47.440 he was diagnosed with severe blockages in all of his heart arteries. He was recommended to have

00:32:53.200 a coronary artery bypass surgery. Okay. And essentially told that unless he had it,

00:32:57.280 he's probably going to die within a very short space of time, within a few years.

00:33:00.640 Now he came to me and he said, listen, doctor, I don't want to go under the knife. I want to try

00:33:03.920 alternatives. This is my personal preference. I really don't want to have surgery.

00:33:08.240 Luckily at that point, his symptoms were quite mild, but he had those blockages diagnosed and

00:33:12.080 he said, is there anything else I can do? I've read your work. Can I go on a diet plan? Can I

00:33:16.240 do a lifestyle change? And I gave him that plan? Exactly that. I told him, I went through his diet

00:33:21.760 and he was a CEO of a company, if I remember correctly. He was spending eight hours of the

00:33:27.280 day in a car. He was sedentary. He was eating snack foods and sweets all the time. So there's lots

00:33:33.440 of room for improvement. He completely changed his diet. I also found that he was very stressed.

00:33:38.320 I advised him to do breath work, meditation. He also was thinking about coming towards retirement

00:33:43.360 early because of his heart issue. And he was wealthy enough to be able to do that.

00:33:47.840 So he contacts me. Only yesterday I had a consultation with him. And I presumed when

00:33:52.400 he got back in touch with me that he'd done this for a while, but ultimately needed a bypass. And he

00:33:56.800 was going to come to me and say, listen, I had the bypass and I just want to check in with you and

00:34:00.960 see how things are going, et cetera, et cetera. And anything else I can do. Megan,

00:34:04.960 he didn't have the bypass. He now grows his own vegetables. He cooks, completely transformed his

00:34:10.960 life. He swims three times a week. He walks his dog five miles a day. He's got no symptoms. And this is

00:34:18.160 nine years after being told essentially he could probably die if he didn't have a bypass operation.

00:34:23.280 That is the power of lifestyle change. And by the way, sorry, the other thing to say,

00:34:28.240 this was without a statin. He got side effects from the statin and stopped his statin. That was

00:34:32.240 the other part of the discussion. He's not taking a statin and hasn't taken a statin for nine years.

00:34:36.000 How does the calcium score play in?

00:34:39.920 Okay. The calcium score is a really good, useful, validated test that is simple to do. A little bit

00:34:45.920 of radiation through CT scan takes five minutes, non-invasive. And what it does is it tells you the

00:34:50.960 buildup of what we call coronary calcium, nothing to do with diet, by the way, nothing to do with

00:34:54.640 blood calcium. The calcium is basically deposited where there is inflammation and where blockages tend

00:35:00.480 to occur. And you can get a score, anything from zero, which is completely normal to well over a

00:35:05.440 thousand, which indicates there is a lot of furring of the arteries. But what's useful about the

00:35:09.920 calcium score, Megan, as well, is it actually gives you a very accurate prediction. More than

00:35:14.800 cholesterol, blood, well, cholesterol we know is essentially useless, but more than other factors,

00:35:20.160 it gives you a prediction of your risk of a heart attack or stroke in the next 10 years.

00:35:24.480 So I use it quite often in patients that have come, have been scared by their doctor saying,

00:35:28.560 you're going to die because your cholesterol is high unless you take a statin. We do the calcium score

00:35:32.400 on the Megan. And of course a lot of cholesterol, you know, that the so-called LDL is, you know,

00:35:37.120 80% of it essentially is genetic. Okay. You're born with it. So if they come to me in their middle age,

00:35:42.480 if their LDL cholesterol has been a problem for them, they're going to have significant heart disease,

00:35:46.400 do the calcium score zero. Wow.

00:35:50.880 So I can reassure them that they don't need to worry about their cholesterol essentially.

00:35:54.960 Peter Atiyah likes that one too. He likes the calcium score, uh, just as sort of a baseline

00:35:58.880 of where you are. So this is also fascinating. This is like, I'm so thrilled that our FKJ got in there

00:36:05.200 and is going to be looking into things like this. I mean, already, you know, he's yesterday,

00:36:11.120 there was an EO on, um, transparency on drug costs, you know, like already he's, he's taking a look at,

00:36:16.560 at interesting things. And he stopped, what was the thing that he stopped yesterday? He stopped

00:36:20.480 something. Um, oh, it was the, a testing program that was going on for the oral COVID vaccine. He

00:36:27.520 was like, we're not stopping it forever, but we're pausing that. I'm not sure that's the best use of

00:36:31.840 our use of our resources. So already he's in there questioning, you might say questioning.

00:36:36.880 So as somebody who knows him and has worked closely with him, what do you think are going to be

00:36:40.560 the top items we'll see over, let's say the first hundred days or so?

00:36:43.600 Well, listen, I think, and if everybody can look this up because I was, you know, uh,

00:36:48.400 there's a brilliant executive order from the president, obviously with, I think with Robert

00:36:52.560 Kennedy Jr.'s input, uh, on the Maha plan and Megan, it's, it's absolutely extraordinary. They,

00:36:58.800 it's so comprehensive. They've covered essentially everything. So they're going to look at, you know,

00:37:03.200 all of the existing data when it comes to nutrition, when it comes to environmental influences on health,

00:37:08.240 you know, they've set up a commission. This was what heartened me the most to look at how

00:37:13.040 different sectors, um, of our lives, whether it's housing, education,

00:37:17.840 you know, income, how the impacts on your health and that, and why that's really important, Megan,

00:37:21.600 this is a conversation that needs to be had in America and across the world.

00:37:24.240 You know, we need to go back to square one to understand what are the building blocks of a

00:37:29.120 healthy society? What does it mean to be healthy? And one of the things that hasn't been discussed

00:37:33.360 enough or ignored, if you like, is that, you know, if you look at, I'll give you some figures here.

00:37:39.040 Okay. In the United States and even in the UK, it's not dissimilar. The gap in life expectancy

00:37:44.160 between the richest and poorest is, is about 10 years on average, right? It's huge. Okay. Healthy

00:37:49.280 life expectancy difference is about 20 years. When you look at the data, about 80% of that difference

00:37:54.000 can be explained by what we call the social determinants of health or the wider determinants

00:37:58.880 of what means to be healthy. So if, and this basically means having, you know, um, an income that

00:38:04.720 allows you to live, lead a healthy life, um, you know, good quality housing, you know,

00:38:09.200 a lot of people are suffering in the United States because, you know, they may be certainly through

00:38:12.640 the winter. They don't have adequate heating access to education. If you are in a, in a job,

00:38:18.640 Megan, that is high demand, low control, low pay, you're on the minimum wage, which I understand in

00:38:23.200 the U S certainly pre pandemic was about $7 25. Then that can be more damaging to health. The stress

00:38:29.440 associated with having, being in those sorts of conditions, Megan can be more damaging to health 0.99

00:38:34.560 than being unemployed. Okay. And what's the mechanism, the underlying mechanism is severe

00:38:39.440 chronic stress. So if you have chronic stress over your lifespan, if you're, for example,

00:38:43.440 brought up in a family of your child that is, you know, in a, in a, in a deprived family,

00:38:47.840 or you're a victim of severe psychological abuse or emotional abuse that starts to already have an

00:38:52.320 effect on the disease process that will cut your life short later down the line. These are the

00:38:56.480 conversations we need to start having. So that's why what's really fascinating is he's, you know,

00:39:00.720 it's about health for all sectors. So we need to look at the department of education, housing,

00:39:05.200 et cetera, and say they, those departments, those, uh, you know, uh, agencies, if you like,

00:39:11.040 they need to be having health at the forefront. You know, you know, I was, I was, there's something

00:39:15.360 I was reading really interestingly recently is that Thomas Jefferson in 1809 in an address to

00:39:21.760 Republicans in Washington said the, um, the care of health and human happiness and not its destruction

00:39:29.440 is the first and most important object of good government. That's Thomas Jefferson, right? For me,

00:39:38.640 it's not about big government or small government. It's about good government because ultimately the

00:39:42.560 politicians have the control over laws to ensure that we create conditions so that everybody, Megan,

00:39:49.200 who's going to disagree with that has the best opportunity to leave, lead the best life they can

00:39:54.640 in terms of their health. And this isn't just about people who are not well off, you know,

00:39:58.560 during the pandemic, Megan, um, Boris Johnson, our prime minister, I mean, I commented on this,

00:40:03.680 he got hospitalized with COVID and I said, it's because of it's likely because of his way. I said it in a

00:40:07.520 compassionate way. He was after he came out. I didn't say when he was in hospital and you know,

00:40:11.360 that became a big story because he was, and he admitted it obese. And this is a guy who's got agency.

00:40:16.080 He's got wealth, right? And this tells us that all of us really are in this because we're affected by

00:40:21.200 this ultra processed food environment. We've, we've been misled about information about cholesterol,

00:40:25.760 about what's a healthy diet. So I think all of this is going to be uncovered under Trump's

00:40:30.240 administration, under the leadership, certainly on health of Robert Kennedy jr.

00:40:34.400 That's so encouraging. Um, just even back when I was in school, I was either, I can't even remember

00:40:39.280 whether it was high school or college right now, but, uh, we learned about a study that had been done

00:40:43.360 on two groups of monkeys. And it was that, I guess, I think it was monkeys. I might've been

00:40:47.440 a different primate, but it was that there were two different cages of them and they like a dominant

00:40:53.120 monkey. Like the order works best when there's one dominant. And what they did was they put two 0.55

00:40:59.280 dominant in one cage and just the one dominant in the second cage. And the monkeys got exactly the

00:41:05.040 same food, exactly the same lifestyle. Nothing else was different other than the one cage of

00:41:09.920 monkeys was very stressed out and the other wasn't. And then many years later when they died of totally

00:41:14.960 natural causes, uh, they were, they were dissected and they looked at their, uh, arteries and the

00:41:21.680 arteries of the monkeys that had been in the stressed out cage were completely, they were clogged. They

00:41:27.280 were, they, they, they were not the picture of health versus the other monkeys, which shouldn't

00:41:31.920 have anywhere near that level of fatty buildup on the walls of the outer arteries and so on. And the only

00:41:36.320 difference between the monkeys was the stress. So it's like, you look at these people who focus so

00:41:42.560 much, some, some obsess over what they eat and the amount of exercise and, you know, don't have this

00:41:47.760 and don't have that. And they totally forget being stressed out all the time. It may be the worst

00:41:52.880 health factor in your life. You, it must be addressed.

00:41:56.800 Megan, I think you've hit the nail on the head and that's the elephant in the room. I think

00:41:59.600 everything that underpins what's really driving at the root of the problem is the chronic stress.

00:42:04.000 And it comes down to how we live, how we interact with each other as well. Um, you know, we know

00:42:09.200 that one of the biggest predictors, I know you're talking to Brian Johnson later, but one of the

00:42:12.320 predictors of longevity and happiness, actually the quality of our relationships, you know, having

00:42:17.680 someone to love and someone that loves you, you know, that it sounds very basic, but it's so important.

00:42:22.800 And that mitigates also from the external stresses of life, which are inevitable. So all these

00:42:27.520 conversations need to be had. And of course it also applies to, you know, um, a child being nurtured by

00:42:32.240 their mother. I think I always tell people the most important relationship you're going to have

00:42:36.160 in your life. I think is, is the one between mother and child, you know, how you're brought up and, and

00:42:40.880 being allowed to create the conditions so that moms can be there for their children. So they can have 1.00

00:42:46.800 a nurturing upbringing rather than being a single mom, for example, working two jobs, trying to make

00:42:51.120 two ends meet in an unjust system where they're not getting paid enough, where big corporations exploit

00:42:55.920 their workers, where you've got a pay differential between the CEO of a company and the production

00:43:00.640 worker of 326 times, which I think is the figure now, which is extraordinary.

00:43:04.560 So we have to have a conversation as a society saying, is this actually fair and just? And then

00:43:07.920 you add in Megan, on top of that, you know, I'm all for meritocracy when people are, you know,

00:43:12.720 earning their money, doing the right thing. But a lot of these big corporations have, have made

00:43:16.480 their money through mass deception, right? You look at big pharma, for example, and then they don't pay

00:43:21.600 their taxes. And then the government have less money to spend on public services, which are being

00:43:26.720 degraded and undermined. So we have to link it all together.

00:43:30.000 The CEO of Pfizer made, I think, $30 million last year. That was his take-home pay, which I think is

00:43:34.640 one of the reasons why. I mean, just Pfizer in general and these vaccine companies, we're all

00:43:37.680 very skeptical of them now. Not all, but many of us are very skeptical because we don't feel like we've

00:43:42.320 been given the truth. There was an extraordinary moment where he showed up at the Trump White House

00:43:46.720 on Black History Month on the celebration. And Trump, who, you know, he is still pro-vaccine,

00:43:52.640 and he introduced him like, yay, CEO of Pfizer. And the community wasn't having it. You know,

00:43:58.480 somebody on Twitter pointed out, or X, Trump led a populist movement, but he doesn't control

00:44:06.480 the populists. They still have their own feelings on certain issues. And Pfizer and the vaccines are

00:44:12.720 one of them. Look at this. We also have the head of Pfizer here. So I want to thank him. One of the

00:44:18.000 great, great people. One of the great businessmen. Thank you, Albert. Thank you.

00:44:26.960 Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

00:44:35.280 Trump gets it. He knew. But his most loyal followers were not having it.

00:44:40.320 Yeah, I think two things to mention there, Megan. Absolutely. I don't think a single American

00:44:45.600 voted for President Trump the second term because of Operation Warp Speed and the COVID vaccine. I'm

00:44:49.520 pretty sure that didn't happen. Right. And the second thing is, you know, he's got a great sense

00:44:53.360 of humor and he's a very shrewd man. And I, if you, if you look at the reaction there,

00:44:58.080 I think that was almost reinforcing what he probably already deep down knows.

00:45:01.840 Yep. This COVID vaccine is a mess. I wanted to round back to a question about the vaccine because,

00:45:07.920 uh, Cheryl Atkinson, a former CBS news journalist, she has a podcast and a show also. And, um,

00:45:14.240 she previewed an interview she's going to be doing on March 2nd with a, uh, doctor whose name is Dr.

00:45:21.680 Ryan Cole, who is sounding the alarm on some of the effects of the COVID vaccine. And the following

00:45:29.280 soundbite grabbed my interest. Take a listen here. It was just published today on her podcast feed.

00:45:34.960 What did you start to see when the vaccine rolled out in pathology? Um, well, that's when I started

00:45:40.240 getting reports from colleagues about clots all over the body and people dropping from pulmonary emboli.

00:45:47.840 I have colleagues in the military talking about young, healthy, active soldiers ending up in the hospital

00:45:54.640 with horrendous clots, um, sudden death from clots, uh, strokes in young patients from clots. Um,

00:46:04.880 and then, uh, some of the embalmers started reaching out to me and showing what they were seeing

00:46:12.240 on embalming, which were these long fibrous clots that are obviously rare prior to the rollout of these shots.

00:46:24.640 That's extremely creepy and disturbing. And, but not, I believe, I believe him. I mean,

00:46:31.600 a good friend of mine who's in public health, who's a lefty was saying, Meg, we're hearing a

00:46:36.800 lot about these clots and the embalmers. And she's like a pro, you know, she was definitely

00:46:42.240 pro vaccine and the whole bit. And even she was like, I'm not, I'm not taking any more. I'm hearing

00:46:46.320 more about these. And now you hear this guy say it out. I mean, what, what are we supposed to do?

00:46:51.120 If our blood is getting clotty, what, like, what do we do? Drink more water? Have an aspirin? I

00:46:58.000 don't get it. Yeah. So, so a couple of things, Megan, first of all, I know Ryan very well,

00:47:02.320 and he's a brilliant, he's a pathologist. He's a brilliant scientist. He has high integrity.

00:47:05.760 We've spoken at conferences together, solid, solid guy. Uh, one of the top vascular surgeons in the

00:47:10.880 world is a friend of mine in an Island called professor Sheriff Sultan. I talked to him about this

00:47:15.120 as well. I mean, these, these sort of long fibrous clots have been known before prior,

00:47:19.520 but he also feels that they seem to have increased and he's seen more problems. Certainly he feels

00:47:23.840 that there's been a massive issue, uh, with the COVID-19 vaccine. He feels it should be suspended

00:47:27.680 as well. And he's one of the top vascular surgeons in the world. So there's a lot more doctors speaking

00:47:31.280 out about it in terms of what people can do. I think with these particular fibrous clots, Megan,

00:47:35.360 as far as I've seen in terms of data and my own clinical experience, they tend to be stuff that

00:47:39.600 develops relatively early on. So these are the kinds of things that you see when people have either had a

00:47:44.320 booster within a few weeks, maybe a month or so after, but usually within a short timeframe,

00:47:48.480 there was a separate study, which looked at, um, people that died within, I think two or three

00:47:52.640 weeks of having the COVID vaccine. And I think they found from autopsy studies, 74% was a figure

00:47:57.200 roughly. They could actually directly say was caused by the COVID vaccine, but yes, what can we do?

00:48:03.120 Again, it comes back to metabolic health. You know, a lot of these problems are cardiovascular.

00:48:07.440 I talked about insulin resistance earlier and interestingly, it isn't just about heart disease after

00:48:13.040 smoking. It's the second biggest driver of cancer. So if people, if we have this, you know,

00:48:18.240 mechanism in place to educate people and introduced, you know, environmental policies,

00:48:23.760 let's put it that way to create a healthier food environment, uh, a food environment, you know,

00:48:28.560 food that's held, you know, affordable, then you very quickly will see people optimize their metabolic

00:48:34.160 health and improve it across the United States. And we will see, I think one of the aims of the new

00:48:39.120 administration and Bobby in particular is to show demonstrable data of improvement within two

00:48:44.400 years. That is absolutely doable. That's one of the protocols for preventing dementia too. It's like,

00:48:51.280 okay, you, you may have the gene, whatever, but if you minimize the number of toxins in your life,

00:48:57.360 you're giving yourself at least the best chance possible of avoiding it. That's what RFK has been

00:49:02.080 saying about vaccines and autism that he can't prove a direct causal relationship, but that it

00:49:09.040 may be one of several toxins that overwhelm the system in young children. And like the more of

00:49:15.280 those that you can remove, not necessarily making a judgment on the vaccines for anybody, but the more

00:49:20.800 toxins you can remove from your child's diet, the better. This is the road we're on. Final,

00:49:26.320 final thoughts on, um, whether we'll get there. Thanks, Megan. Yeah. So, I mean,

00:49:32.720 you're very quickly on that. Yes. You're right about dementia. Um, uh, people, some people describe

00:49:38.000 that, you know, Alzheimer's is type three diabetes. So same process. So a hundred percent, this is the

00:49:42.800 way forward. Um, I have a lot of hope. I think we've got the right people in place. We've got brilliant

00:49:48.000 men like Jay Bhattacharya, who's almost certainly going to be, I think the next director of the NIH.

00:49:52.720 You've got, you know, Marty Makary, we've got Mehmet Oz, we've got Bobby in there, anything I can do to

00:49:58.720 help to facilitate it. Um, and I think, uh, President Trump will listen.

00:50:03.360 And maybe you too. Uh, hopefully you will be elevated to one of the top teammates. It would be

00:50:08.480 great to see you there, Dr. Asim Mahultra. Thank you so much for being here.

00:50:12.640 Thank you, Megan.

00:50:14.240 God, that's one of the privileges of this job to be able to talk to people like that. I hope you

00:50:17.200 enjoyed that as much as I did. I know it's scary, but we have to talk about it. And then by the way,

00:50:21.760 for what it's worth, um, that Dr. Young, uh, sorry, Cole on Cheryl's podcast did say drinking

00:50:26.480 more water is beneficial on the clotting front. Go to, uh, metabolic reset.co for more from Dr.

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00:52:27.360 So if you're feeling worried about dying from the COVID vaccine or related problems from our first hour,

00:52:33.200 you need to listen to our second hour. Tech millionaire Brian Johnson has been making

00:52:38.640 headlines for years over his extreme anti-aging routine where he spends two million bucks a year

00:52:44.400 trying to live forever. His motto is don't die. I accept. Great. He goes to bed at 830 every night.

00:52:52.400 He eats a vegan diet with dinner at 11 in the morning every day, though he's open to red meat,

00:52:56.880 but it's just not for him. He takes over 100 pills or supplements a day. And in his quest, he has tried

00:53:03.440 things as odd as swapping blood plasma with his teenage son and he, Brian, giving his own plasma to his

00:53:12.000 70 year old father and injecting a donor's fat into his face. He's also had controversial gene therapy,

00:53:19.280 having to fly out of country to get it. As you can see, his appearance has definitely changed over the years.

00:53:24.240 Look at this. On screen right is the closest to today. And on screen left is how he used to look

00:53:29.680 as recently as, I don't know, six, seven years ago. He is now the subject of a Netflix documentary.

00:53:35.680 You've probably seen it promoted on Netflix many times called Don't Die. The man who wants to live

00:53:39.920 forever where he walks us through his protocol that he calls the blueprint. Watch.

00:53:46.000 By doing blueprint, one of the key objectives is to achieve the lowest possible biological age.

00:53:53.280 So just like a tree has rings, we all have a signature inside of our body of our age.

00:54:00.000 After doing blueprint now for two years, I've reversed my biological age 5.1 years.

00:54:06.560 I have 50 perfect biomarkers. I have 100 biomarkers where I'm less than my chronological age.

00:54:12.240 And my speed of aging is 0.69, which means for every 12 months, I age eight months.

00:54:21.680 In terms of how far this goes, it's open-ended. We have no idea. But I want to take my speed of

00:54:29.120 aging to the lowest possible number.

00:54:31.680 Brian Johnson, welcome to the show.

00:54:37.040 Thanks for having me.

00:54:38.880 Fascinating to meet you. I watched the whole thing. I'm riveted. I love the challenge. I wish it were

00:54:44.640 possible. Let me ask you this with that. Do you actually think it might be that you won't die at

00:54:50.960 all? Or just, you know, you're looking to extend your lifestyle or lifetime beyond what now we consider

00:54:56.400 possible? You know, I think it's legitimately the first time any human in history could say

00:55:02.080 with a straight face, we may be the first generation to not die. I sincerely believe

00:55:07.040 that. It's almost like if you think back to history, like in 1870, if you were alive at that

00:55:13.040 time, you thought that infection came about through bad spirits. But there were new ideas that are kind

00:55:18.480 of crazy, where people said there are these microscopic objects that cause infection. They're

00:55:22.960 called bacteria. And when you don't wash your hands between surgeries, you know, when you're

00:55:27.440 delivering babies, it spreads and can lead to death. Now, if you're living that time, you might say,

00:55:32.320 that's stupid and crazy. You're telling me things my eyes can't see are going to be the cause of 1.00

00:55:36.800 death. But if you're open minded, you might say, huh, like, I don't want to, if this is real,

00:55:40.800 I don't want to be on the other side of that. And so I think the same moment is true for us,

00:55:44.880 is this is legitimately a transformational moment as a species. We may be the first generation

00:55:51.360 who will die. You've gotten all sorts of criticism for having money and, you know,

00:55:56.160 going and having gene therapy in Honduras that the average person could never afford.

00:56:00.160 My view is good for you. If you're willing to make yourself a human guinea pig in a way that

00:56:04.640 could save lives down the line or extend lives, why wouldn't we be celebrating that? You're not

00:56:09.120 saying everybody must do it. You're not saying I recommend it for all of you. You're saying this is

00:56:13.520 what I'm doing and this is why I'm doing it. And I'll share with all of you the results I get,

00:56:18.240 which I think is actually pretty laudable. I mean, has the feedback been mostly good or

00:56:24.000 50-50 on controversial and good? Yeah, it's been overwhelmingly positive.

00:56:27.920 And like all things, you find negative voices really get a lot of airtime. And so what they

00:56:33.120 don't talk about is I think this is what I've built. So I, I quantitatively have the best biomarkers

00:56:39.920 of anybody on planner. I'm quantitatively the healthiest person alive. Now I've posted all my

00:56:44.640 data publicly and said, others, you know, show me your data. And so I've really tried to create

00:56:49.200 a new sport out of this. Now I'm doing so I've shared with the entire world, everything I do,

00:56:54.160 things that work, things that don't work, but everything is for free. I haven't put this behind

00:56:58.720 a paywall. I haven't asked people to pay me subscriptions. This is, I've made this for free.

00:57:03.280 And I actively, I spend a majority of my time, you know, producing content, writing, helping people

00:57:08.000 learn these free basic things. So it really is an effort to try to help everyone be healthy and well,

00:57:12.240 but the criticism is just very natural. I wrote through the day, they're like five stages of

00:57:16.720 understanding don't die, you know? And first is like this, I, a lull, I wish you'd get hit by a

00:57:21.200 bus. You know, it's like, it's very, it's like, it's so algorithmic. Like whenever I walk into a new,

00:57:27.280 uh, category of people and they haven't seen it before, their responses are just like an algorithm,

00:57:32.560 like just absolutely, uh, expected. Yes. All right. So here's a little bit more from the documentary

00:57:38.320 on some of your routines and the soundbite you're discussing, uh, them with your communications

00:57:42.800 director, Kate Tolo. It's probably over a hundred different things I do any given day that the body

00:57:49.360 has asked for to be in its ideal state. And that begins with in the morning I wake up, I turn a

00:57:55.520 specific light on in my bathroom that gives me sun-like exposure. I take three pills. I do my body

00:58:01.600 temperature with an inner ear measurement, go downstairs, start HRV therapy. So I put a little

00:58:06.800 electrode here in my ear and it stimulates my autonomic nervous system, trying to make my body

00:58:12.240 more parasynthetic and more chill. I take 54 pills with a concoction that I call the green giant.

00:58:20.800 I put a cap on my head for hair growth. It has 312 laser diodes. Then I work out for an hour,

00:58:27.200 come in, eat a few pounds of vegetables. I do some high-frequency electromagnetic stimulation on my

00:58:32.240 abdomen. I do 12 minutes of near and red light therapy to accelerate healing. I do audio therapy

00:58:38.880 for my hearing regeneration. I have my last meals to eat before 11 AM, 34 more pills to take.

00:58:46.560 There's protocols throughout the day here and there. And then my nighttime routine.

00:58:53.440 Oh my gosh. I'm exhausted just thinking about it. Um, I'm sure you've been asked this question

00:58:58.000 before, but where, where is the time for fun? Yeah. You know, I guess I really find this to be

00:59:04.320 fun. It is my happy place. I love this endeavor. I love playing this game. I love data. I love science.

00:59:09.840 I love the experimentation. It's so much fun. And I guess like, it's been kind of interesting because

00:59:15.200 a lot of very common responses, you know, uh, he's so busy trying not to die. He's not living.

00:59:20.960 And meanwhile, like when we think about the things we categorize as living, you know, like going out and

00:59:25.360 drinking with the friends or staying out late or eating pizza or donuts. Um, those are oftentimes

00:59:29.360 the things people imagine. I just can't go without. And those things just make me miserable and not

00:59:34.160 happy. I've, I've never been happier in my entire life. So it's very counterintuitive that, you know,

00:59:38.400 health is happiness. Most people think that debauchery is happiness, but we all know it's not.

00:59:44.160 That's very interesting. Okay. So let, can we talk about some of those protocols? Um, some of them

00:59:49.520 are a little bit more mainstream. I mean, I have a red light that I use and I love it. I think

00:59:55.040 it's really made a nice difference on my skin. I have an infrared sauna, which does the same thing

00:59:59.360 for your body, the lights that are in the infrared sauna. I'm not familiar with the, um, HRV therapy

01:00:05.840 or no, we know with the light exposure that you do for your eyes first thing in the morning.

01:00:10.000 Is that because you wake up pre sunrise and what does that do? That's right. Yeah. So it really helps

01:00:15.120 light in the eyes, you know, within 20 to 30 minutes of waking up is really important. It sets your

01:00:19.760 mood. It sets your circadian rhythm. It improves your mood. So if you wake up with the sun,

01:00:24.240 you know, early morning sunlight is fantastic. If you wake up before the sun, that 10,000 lux light

01:00:29.360 really helps set your, your health regimen. So like you played in that clip, the, this is not like,

01:00:36.000 the idea is not that people do what I do. It's that they can draw out the basics of what I do and then

01:00:41.560 make it a habit into their life. And so really you can achieve very similar health markers as me

01:00:46.000 and do very little of what I actually do. You can, can you just turn on a light? Like,

01:00:50.500 what about just turning on the bedroom light? It doesn't. Yeah. The bedroom light won't work.

01:00:55.760 You need a specific kind of light to have the effects on, on triggering the circadian rhythm.

01:01:01.480 Okay. Why is your last meal of the day at 11 AM?

01:01:05.700 Because so this is actually, uh, so it's really about my resting heart rate before bed. And so I,

01:01:11.100 what I discovered over the past four years is the single most important thing for my health is my

01:01:16.200 sleep. It's like nothing is even remotely close. And so I have built my entire life around sleep,

01:01:22.160 which is again, is counterintuitive because our current culture is you sleep when you have time,

01:01:26.400 you sleep when you're done with work, you sleep when you're done. And many people actually brag

01:01:30.120 by not getting sleep. They'll say, I sleep under my desk or like, you know, the person coded for three

01:01:34.860 nights in a row. They're so impressive. So it's almost like this mythology that if you don't sleep,

01:01:38.880 you're somehow have higher status. And so it's the, the reality is, you know, our body needs sleep and

01:01:45.460 otherwise we just don't function well. We have actually were impaired, like if you're drunk.

01:01:49.180 And so the biggest predictor, the strongest predictor of your night's sleep is your resting

01:01:54.260 heart rate before you go to bed. And so the way you do this is tonight before you go to bed,

01:01:58.480 if you have a wearable, just pull up and see what your heart rate is, maybe 60 beats per minute,

01:02:02.460 65, 50. And then your goal over the next two weeks, I'll give you some tips is to try to lower your

01:02:08.000 resting heart rate by 10 to 15 beats. And as you do that, every beat you drop, your, your sleep quality

01:02:14.180 is going to increase. So I eat my final meal today at 11 a.m. because that gives my body time to

01:02:19.980 digest. So when I go to bed at eight 30, my body's, the food is fully digested and my body is now able

01:02:25.880 to allocate its resources to say, now we're going to sleep. If I eat later at five or six, my heart rate

01:02:30.640 is going to climb 10 to 15 beats and my sleep will be reduced by about 30 to 40%. All right. So this room,

01:02:37.420 this is like reminding me just a couple of nights ago, I was, I was dying for some ice cream. My kids had it.

01:02:42.120 It's like, I love ice cream. And it was getting pretty close to bedtime. I'm like, don't do it,

01:02:45.980 Meg. Like, you're so close to going to bed. You're going to spike your blue glucose. And I did it,

01:02:51.080 Brian. I did it. And you know, it's the worst thing because it does, it raises your glucose.

01:02:55.980 It raises your heart rate. And you know what? I didn't sleep well, but I actually hadn't tied the

01:03:01.040 two things together until just listening to you right now. Exactly. So what, what was the ice cream?

01:03:05.840 It was mint chocolate chip. Is that your favorite?

01:03:08.380 Well, it's one of them. Yeah. I do love it. It was just, it was just like available in the

01:03:13.200 freezer. Yeah, exactly. Right. Yes. But I, I am the one who made it available. I bought it. It was

01:03:18.020 organic. I'm sure that makes it healthy. Yeah. Yeah. So organic, actually we can talk about that.

01:03:23.080 Organic kind of means nothing, uh, in terms of like, I'll, I'll, we'll go into the food in a minute,

01:03:27.280 but yeah. So in your experience, when you woke up the next morning, was it worth eating the ice cream?

01:03:31.460 No, it wasn't not, but I hadn't even really given a lot of thought to just eating, even if it's not

01:03:38.680 sugary, even if it's not, if it's a normal meal, it is going to spike probably your blood sugar to

01:03:44.220 some extent and your, your heart rates for sure going to go up. Exactly. So eating before bed

01:03:49.160 wrecks sleep. And so here's the prescription for everybody is have your final meal of the day,

01:03:55.060 at least two hours before bedtime. So if you go to bed at 10, finish eating at eight, uh, and then

01:04:00.240 experiment with going to seven and then six and then five and 4 PM, just push it back a little

01:04:04.880 bit. Every time you're going to feel a little bit hungry, that's fine. It's normal. But as you're

01:04:09.780 going to watch, as you move your last meal a day back further, your heart rate is going to go down,

01:04:14.320 your sleep's going to go up and you're going to feel amazing. It is worth it. Like when you wake up

01:04:18.980 in the morning and you feel great, it doesn't matter how much pain you're in the night before it's

01:04:22.780 worth it. So, and also the food you eat. So if you have like a big pizza, you know, 5 PM,

01:04:27.520 even though your bedtime's at 10, it's still jacks your heart rate, lower your sleep. So I just went

01:04:32.100 through this meticulous experimentation process, trying hundreds of different combinations. And

01:04:36.020 I found that the kinds of foods and when I ate dramatically impacted my heart rate. So now I'm

01:04:40.440 at 44 beats per minute before bed. And when I can get that, I'm going to have a perfect night's sleep.

01:04:45.920 So you sleep eight, eight and a half hours.

01:04:48.580 That's right. Eight hours, 34 minutes is my, my six month average and what you want. So here's the

01:04:53.920 profile of ideal sleep. So when my head hits a pillow, I'm usually out within two to five minutes.

01:05:00.060 I sleep roughly two hours of REM, two hours of deep. I'm up sometimes like probably 75% of the

01:05:06.900 nights. Now I'm up zero times per night. And yeah, so that's like roughly the profile. If you lay down

01:05:13.380 and it takes you 45, you know, 30 minutes to go to sleep, it's too long. And then if you're not

01:05:17.840 getting around two hours, each of REM and deep, like thereabouts, you're getting too little. And if

01:05:22.840 you're up at night more than 30 minutes, it's something to pay attention to. But I basically

01:05:27.140 have like five habits that people should follow. And if you get these things down and make them

01:05:31.920 life habits, it just changes everything about your conscious existence. You're a better coworker.

01:05:37.000 You're a better professional. You're a better parent. You're a better friend. Like it makes

01:05:40.280 everything in life better.

01:05:41.980 All right. We have something pulled on your, uh, sleep approach. Let's watch. Okay. Yeah. Okay. This is

01:05:49.320 your, it's a, it's a full screen graphic showing your sleep stages and you can get this on the

01:05:54.280 ring. Like I have the aura ring and it'll show you something just like this. That's what you're

01:05:57.740 talking about. Like a wearable where it shows your, your REM, your light and your deep sleep

01:06:02.620 is, is important. It's not just REM stage that we're looking at.

01:06:06.700 Exactly. So two things about that graph that you're looking at. One is that, um, there was

01:06:10.740 a recent study published that showed that people with their first REM cycle within 90 minutes,

01:06:16.920 uh, were healthy from a perspective of cognitive decline and people who had their first REM cycle

01:06:22.760 three to four hours after going to sleep, um, had signs of, uh, cognitive decline, Alzheimer's.

01:06:28.980 And so if you look at that graph, you see, I went to bed at roughly 10. That was a late night for me.

01:06:34.260 Uh, I posted this because, uh, I was responding to some drama that was going on. So now I was basically

01:06:39.160 saying like the drama I'm unbothered. So I went to bed at 10 and, uh, my first REM cycle, let's see,

01:06:44.840 it's, uh, 1130. Yeah. So basically within 90 minutes of me falling asleep is my first REM,

01:06:49.400 which is right on the point. So everybody, if you're watching this, look at your sleep cycle

01:06:54.160 and look at the demarcation of when you fall asleep and then look at your first REM cycle.

01:06:59.780 You want to be 90 minutes or less. If you're in the three to four hour range,

01:07:04.400 then it's something to pay attention to because you may have some early cognitive decline and you

01:07:09.060 just want to be mindful of that. Do you do the 66 degree thing? What do you do about temperature

01:07:14.320 and setting? Yeah. So I have a, a eight sleep mattress, which is a temperature control.

01:07:19.700 And so as you go through your various stages of sleep, so as you fall into, so when you go to bed,

01:07:25.340 the reason why going to bed on time is so important is because if your bedtime's at 10 PM,

01:07:30.080 your body's expecting you to get rest at 10 PM. And if you go to bed at 12 and say, well,

01:07:34.940 I'm just going to make up the two hours in the morning, the body doesn't do that. So your deep sleep

01:07:40.200 happens largely in the first window of time, or I have to go to sleep. So like between 10 and 12,

01:07:45.620 you can see it from my sleep data. A big portion of my deep sleep happens in that early stage.

01:07:50.280 And if you miss that window, you miss your deep sleep. Now think about deep sleep, like a garbage 0.98

01:07:55.440 truck rolling through your brain and picking up the trash. When you miss the deep sleep,

01:08:00.140 the garbage truck doesn't run its course. And so that's why going to bed on time is so important,

01:08:04.900 being consistent, because then your body cleans out the garbage and you get this deep restorative sleep.

01:08:09.200 So again, this is why like sleep is the number one life priority. It just fuels all your functions.

01:08:15.460 That's why you want to be on time. You want to have, be very mindful of your last meal of the day

01:08:18.840 and what you eat, your resting heart rate. It just says like, and this is the thing that's funny is

01:08:22.920 I, I never got taught how to sleep. Like, how is it that I spent half, you know, third of my life

01:08:27.700 sleeping and I never got like taught in school or even culturally how to sleep.

01:08:32.320 We had a Matthew Walker on the program a couple of years ago. It's a sleep expert. He wrote this great

01:08:37.040 book about it. And he was saying, if this is so important that you should, when, when you're

01:08:41.540 considering travel, when you're considering business, whatever it is that you have to do

01:08:45.400 your social life, you need to build it all around protecting that eight hour period. You, you,

01:08:51.420 if you go to bed at 10, you are going to bed at 10, no matter what, and everything else must move

01:08:55.680 unless it's an extreme circumstance. Like, okay, I had to fly to Australia for whatever, but

01:09:00.160 only, they should be 1% of the time that you're moving those hours around.

01:09:04.600 Yes, that is, I agree with that entirely.

01:09:07.260 Hmm. All right. Now here's from the Netflix documentary, something else that happens in

01:09:11.400 your sleep that you monitor, which is for the guys out there. Sock 24.

01:09:16.020 Here is an eggplant. This is the device made by Adam from a social. So what you do is you would

01:09:21.900 normally think this is very awkward. It's not, you just put on the penis and you forget it's there. 0.99

01:09:25.560 So you put it on the base of the penis. There you go. And then throughout the night, 1.00

01:09:34.100 as you become erect, it measures both the engorgement and the duration. So you have a

01:09:39.180 map the entire night of your erection cycles. Now mine, I had four total erections for a duration 0.93

01:09:44.780 of just over three hours. To put this in context, my nighttime erections are the length of the Titanic,

01:09:51.420 the movie, not the boat. And that is better than an average 18 year old.

01:09:57.380 All right. So why does that matter?

01:10:00.820 Yeah. So females go through the same erection cycles that men do. It's just measuring the 1.00

01:10:05.800 clitoris is more difficult. So just like men, women's clitoris engorges at night over several 1.00

01:10:12.260 different sessions and to different degrees of arousal. And then men wake up with a morning 0.94

01:10:17.780 erection and women make up, wake up with a morning bean. And so it's both in females and males. And so 0.98

01:10:23.300 this was kind of an accident where we started doing this. I was doing another therapy,

01:10:27.180 this electromagnetic stimulation. We were trying to rebuild muscles in the anus and the bladder,

01:10:33.020 because as you age, it becomes harder for you to control those muscles, especially women who give 1.00

01:10:38.280 birth where you're, you have to do Kegel exercises to rebuild those muscles. And so we were doing this

01:10:42.800 therapy. And when I started doing it, I just noticed that I was getting erect in my sleep all the

01:10:47.480 time. So I raised this question with my scientific team and said, why is this happening? And then we

01:10:52.100 did this deep dive that nighttime erections is actually a really important marker of health.

01:10:58.020 It represents cardiovascular health, physiological health and psychological health. In fact,

01:11:02.780 it's one of the most important things anybody can know about their health, like put it on the same

01:11:07.260 level as cholesterol and blood pressure. It's really important. Wow. But no one talked about it.

01:11:11.400 It's really it's and you can't like go you go to the gym and like work out hard to lift weights and be

01:11:16.560 strong and have good cardio. But you can't go to sleep and work hard at having arousal cycles. You

01:11:21.220 can't try to have the boners. It just happens. And so it's a default representation of your health.

01:11:27.300 And so it really is like you can't fake it. And so yeah, we talked a lot about sexual health and

01:11:32.340 these these physiological physiological functions. So people hear boners, they hear about the sexual

01:11:36.680 talk and they kind of giggle and stuff. But but men who don't have nighttime erections are five times 0.98

01:11:42.960 more likely to die prematurely. It's really a staggering statistic. No, I'm sorry.

01:11:47.060 Where can they get the little ring that that you were putting on the eggplant in that demonstration?

01:11:51.800 I'm sorry. Quick question. 70% more likely to die prematurely. It's a company, Adam Health out of

01:11:56.740 the UK. Okay. Wow. I mean, I had no idea. Let's talk about the food because I said you eat vegan,

01:12:03.900 but you're not against red meat, which is what I read. Is that true?

01:12:06.580 Yeah, I I'm plant based, excluding collagen peptides. And your food is such a sacred thing

01:12:12.580 for people. I come in peace. I'm not at war, like do your thing, like all good. We just try to follow

01:12:18.460 the science and evidence of how to use food to slow my body speed of aging as much as possible.

01:12:24.540 Okay, so talk to us about I didn't understand that first qualifier, what you said you eat

01:12:28.640 vegetables without some long word. Okay, yeah. So what I eat every day is I eat a diet of 2200

01:12:36.360 and 50 calories. And the premise is that every calorie must fight for its life. It has to

01:12:42.180 basically be a top performing calorie, like something that does something good on my body.

01:12:47.900 And so when you put that filter, many foods don't make it through like bread just doesn't make it

01:12:52.940 through as worthy of consumption. And so the foods that do make it through our legumes, like lentils

01:12:58.600 and edamames and beans, a lot of vegetables, broccoli, cauliflower, I get a ton of vegetables,

01:13:03.900 extra virgin olive oil, I eat more of that than any other food source, nuts, berries, seeds,

01:13:09.540 and then I do collagen peptides. So my proteins are from pea and hemp protein, lentils, but I don't

01:13:15.360 eat any meat. And the diet we have is proven, I mean, I can say there's more scientific evidence

01:13:22.720 around this diet to slow down someone's speed of aging and slow disease progression than any other

01:13:28.440 diet in the world. So we're just following data and science on what exactly are the best foods put

01:13:33.400 one in one's body for longevity. Hmm. What would you say is the most important marker you look for?

01:13:39.040 Like on a daily basis, what's the one that you're like, okay, that one looks good. I feel good. I

01:13:43.300 mean, I know you care about them all, but name like the top two. Honestly, one it's resting heart rate

01:13:48.960 before bed. It's like the number one. And the reason why it's so good is because that is determined by

01:13:54.840 when you eat, what you eat, it determines how well you sleep and how well you sleep determines

01:13:59.300 whether you're going to exercise and whether you exercise determines on what you're going to eat.

01:14:02.480 And then your resting heart rate is also a representation of your cardiovascular health.

01:14:06.120 You know, are you exercising? Is your heart in a good state? So that one marker really captures

01:14:11.080 whole body health. And so, and it's also free. When you say like you challenge yourself to get

01:14:15.060 it down over the course of two weeks, how do you do that? Yeah. So let's say tonight, Meg, you do this

01:14:20.220 and your heart rate, your resting heart rate is 60 beats per minute. And you say, okay, I'm going to

01:14:25.100 challenge myself to be at 50 in two weeks time. So you can do several things. One is have your final

01:14:30.780 meal of the day, again, two hours before bedtime. So mint chocolate chip, ice cream, like let's know

01:14:36.320 it's no longer part of the agenda. And then move your final meal back an hour each day. So try your

01:14:43.140 last meal of the day at 7pm and six and five and four, and just push it back a bit more and more.

01:14:48.040 And you'll find your right spot. You'll see as you push your final meal of the day back,

01:14:51.980 your heart rate is going to drop. Number two is to have a wind down routine. So what time is your bedtime?

01:14:56.780 10 o'clock. Okay, so 10 at 9pm. So give yourself roughly an hour. I do this self talk process. So

01:15:05.120 at 9pm, let's say sleep Meg is going to come on duty. And there she is. And she's going to hold the 1.00

01:15:11.940 fort down. Now, at 901, let's just say ambitious Meg is going to show up and she's going to say, 1.00

01:15:17.280 Meg, I have this brand new idea on something we want to do on the show, like it's going to be a

01:15:21.140 banger. And then sleep Meg says, sorry, we're currently in sleep mode, we're going to write this idea down.

01:15:26.020 And then tomorrow, we're going to think about this. And then 902pm, anxious Meg is going to show up 1.00

01:15:30.940 and she's going to say today on the show, you said this thing, I don't know, it's kind of, you know,

01:15:35.000 wasn't delivered well, came across poorly. And you say, thank you, anxious Meg for keeping me in check.

01:15:39.900 This is so wonderful. But you need to do this self talk, because otherwise, you spin loops. So when

01:15:44.640 your head hits a pillow at 10pm, you're still trying to reconcile the day's events, like what you're mad

01:15:49.000 about, what you're happy about, how you're sad, like why you're anxious. And then secondarily is when you wake up

01:15:53.980 in the night, one or two or three in the morning, you wake up and you're spinning on all these different

01:15:57.560 thoughts. So you need to have some kind of wind down routine. So that self talk is really important. Then

01:16:02.140 also, you can read a book, you can go for a walk, my favorite thing is holding a book, like actual book

01:16:06.100 in my hand to read for 15 to 20 minutes, talk to a friend, but that hour last hour of the day is really

01:16:12.260 important to calm your nervous system down and say, we are going to get ready for sleep, that would drive

01:16:17.580 down your heart rate. I like that a lot. So it's not about exercise. It's about the routine.

01:16:23.340 Yeah, entirely. It's calming your body down to say we are ready for sleep, you have to like,

01:16:27.800 really get into it. You can't just like show up, put your head on the pillow and be like, yep,

01:16:30.940 we're ready to go. The body is just not ready for it. So other things you can do is you can be

01:16:34.720 consistent. So if your bedtime is at 10, try to be in bed every single night at 10pm plus or minus 30

01:16:40.380 minutes. I logged the best sleep score in human history, eight months of perfect sleep. I was in bed

01:16:45.220 within one minute every night. And it was just amazing. The body keeps the track of time as well

01:16:51.400 as a watch. It knows like at 829, it was just like drop what's called my adenosine, my brain and be

01:16:57.200 like, you're out. And so then the other thing is be mindful of light. So blue lights, like screens,

01:17:02.780 and you know, screens really and even household lights. So try to have red lights and amber lights,

01:17:08.720 turn off your screens. And if you do these things, your body's really going to support you like your

01:17:13.620 body is amazingly good at sleep. You just need to give it the habits and like the protocols where

01:17:18.280 it can really perform at its best. Oh, this is like, well, this is interesting because you're

01:17:22.120 not married. You're 47 years old. You're not married. But I will say like sleeping with another 0.96

01:17:26.020 person in the bed is definitely a challenge, right? Because it's like, you not only have to worry

01:17:29.580 about your tossing and turning given the night, but his too. I know he's joke with Doug. I'm like,

01:17:34.900 I'll look at him and I'll say SD, which stands for sleep divorce. If he wakes me up too many times

01:17:39.780 over the evening or, you know, speaking of nighttime erections anyway, yeah, you know,

01:17:45.380 honestly, like it's an issue. So like you may want to talk to Doug about this because there really is

01:17:50.400 some good evidence. Some people do well sleeping with each other. Like they actually help each

01:17:53.680 other sleep better. Other people, they just, they're out of sync for whatever reason. And I

01:17:58.140 would say that sometimes the very best things people can do for their marriage is to not sleep in

01:18:03.860 the same room. They both sleep better. They're in better moods. Like they just are,

01:18:08.000 they're more conducive to a more positive relationship. So yeah, I think when you can

01:18:12.020 sleep alone, it's really something you should strongly consider.

01:18:15.280 Can I ask you about relationships? Because one of the things that stands out in the Netflix

01:18:19.100 special is how close you and your son are. And it's actually really beautiful. It was kind of

01:18:23.360 almost brought me to tears a couple of times, how much you love him and how close you guys are.

01:18:27.340 And it's a little sad because the rest of your, your family, your other two kids and your ex-wife,

01:18:32.260 it sounds like they, they want, they kind of disowned you when you left the church,

01:18:36.280 the Mormon church. By the way, I didn't know that the Mormon church did that. I thought that

01:18:39.860 was just a Scientology thing. Is that normal in the Mormon church?

01:18:43.360 Yeah. I mean, it's very much like in-group, out-group stuff. You know, it's like in-group,

01:18:47.060 you really have the truth and the out-group is a threat and or someone to be saved. It's not a very

01:18:53.380 friendly bridge. Like you, you always, I mean, I was Mormon for so many years. You always have an

01:18:58.140 agenda. When you meet somebody, it's not like a neutral thing. You're, you're trying to convert

01:19:02.240 them in some subtle way because you're always trying to find the edge. It's very much an

01:19:06.360 evangelizing religion where you're always trying to do it. So it's, it's, yeah, they, they think of

01:19:10.920 me entirely of saved, not saved, going to heaven, not going to heaven framework. And so they just

01:19:16.580 can't trust me because I'm not in the in-group and I can't give them that, um, that same framework.

01:19:22.240 So yeah, it's really, I mean, it's like probably the most painful experience of my life to be, um,

01:19:27.180 to be held at arm's length of my own children. And I have worked really, really hard to be a good

01:19:32.880 parent and parents know this. Like you just can never know with your kids. Like there's no guarantee

01:19:36.380 that your effort pays off. And of course, kids go through different cycles, but yeah, it's been,

01:19:40.520 it's been really painful. I love them very much. I really want to be in their lives. And it's very

01:19:44.560 hard that another thing, uh, separates us. Well, you and Talmadge seem to have a very good

01:19:50.540 relationship. He seems like a great kid. He's now, uh, in college or at least went off to college

01:19:55.020 as the Netflix special was being filmed. And, um, but one thing I did wonder in it without giving

01:20:00.440 too much away from the, from the documentary, you do find a way to create socialization in your life

01:20:05.320 and to have friend groups around you, but love is important. You know, that love relationship that,

01:20:09.840 you know, romantic love, I definitely think it's life extending for a number of reasons.

01:20:14.960 And I wondered about that. Like it, of course, I'm sure you want it just as a human, but as a life

01:20:20.780 extending mechanism, how do you feel about it? Yeah. I mean, the evidence is very good that

01:20:25.800 people in strong relationships live longer. It is just like one of the very best things you can do.

01:20:31.160 So I do work very hard at relationships. I work very hard on my personal relationships.

01:20:35.560 And I think that, you know, I, again, I grew up in Mormonism. I never even had a girlfriend growing up.

01:20:40.220 I married the first girl that I, it was kind of, kind of like an arranged marriage. And so I just never

01:20:45.940 really learned how to build relationships. And so I'm getting a lot better now. I'm very excited

01:20:51.940 about where I'm at in life. And I think I figured out kind of some basics. So again, like, I guess

01:20:56.640 I'm maybe late to the party. I'm 47. I'm just learning the basics of how to sleep, how to build

01:21:01.220 relationships in life. And, uh, maybe I'm unique, but yeah, I just feel like I'm, I'm finally coming

01:21:06.200 around to learning some of these basic things of life. You talk in the documentary about how you'll

01:21:12.180 disclose to these women. There's a lot of things you're not going to like about my lifestyle. And

01:21:15.900 then you've been proven right a few times with women like you're a lot, but I actually think 1.00

01:21:20.180 the odds are high that you will meet a woman who's very into this and who will live this life with you

01:21:27.100 in her hyperbaric chamber, right next to yours. I think you just have to, you know, put it out there

01:21:33.000 more and, and meet more women. But I hope you do, because I think that's a missing piece of your,

01:21:37.920 of your formula. Speaking of the hyperbaric chamber chamber, we've got video of you in it.

01:21:43.340 What's happening here? Okay. It's video. It looks like you're in some sort of a,

01:21:51.340 like a carnival ride and the apparatus on your face for listening audience looks very much like

01:21:56.120 what, you know, the people who are older and they can't sleep well overnight where they put that thing

01:22:00.960 on their face. It looks like an oxygen mask with all these tubes coming out of it. What's happening

01:22:04.620 here? Yeah. So this is called hyperbaric oxygen therapy. And so what you do is the pressurization

01:22:11.160 inside that chamber gets to two atmospheres, which is roughly the same kind of pressure you'd have

01:22:16.860 about 30 meters below seawater, the ocean level. And so it's very, very pressurized. And then in that

01:22:23.440 mask, I'm breathing in 100% oxygen. And so the therapy is you hyper oxygenate the entire body. So when

01:22:31.080 you breathe oxygen, you get oxygen into your various organs and whatnot, but not to a ultra saturation.

01:22:37.220 And so when you're in that chamber and it's very, there's a lot of pressure, plus you're getting 100%

01:22:42.480 oxygen versus 20% in our atmosphere, you're getting oxygen very deeply infused throughout the entire

01:22:48.020 body. And that has all kinds of rejuvenation effects. So it's, this is the same process we go

01:22:53.660 through where we try to find therapies that have great, have gold standard scientific evidence that

01:22:59.880 have rejuvenation properties in the body. Like I'm trying to make my entire body age 18. And so we

01:23:05.180 found hyperbaric oxygen therapy and the evidence was good for like acute brain injury, a traumatic

01:23:09.460 brain injury. It was good for certain conditions, but we didn't really see anyone doing it for longevity

01:23:13.960 with a whole bunch of measurements. So I measured my body with about 50 different biomarkers. I did 60

01:23:19.820 sessions in the chamber and then we measured again. Our final result is coming in today, but it has been

01:23:24.600 one of the most efficacious therapies we've ever done. It boosted, it dramatically improved my brain

01:23:30.260 health, improved my inflammation, improved joint health. It increased my cardiovascular ability,

01:23:36.580 my VO2 max. It reduced senescent cells, it did whole body skin rejuvenation. Like it has been one of the

01:23:41.960 most successful therapies we've ever done. And like we do with everything else, we just share it.

01:23:45.400 90 minutes per session. And is it, I mean, I think of the hyperbaric chamber, isn't that where

01:23:52.640 they put you when you've had like a scuba accident, like you have to go in the hyperbaric

01:23:57.380 chamber. So it seems like sort of a remedial measure. Is there any downside to you in using

01:24:02.280 that 90 minutes a day and coming out of it and trying to live your life? No. So that's the thing

01:24:06.360 is that's why I posted this video. I was playing around like I always do is I said that I moved my,

01:24:11.340 moved my office into my hyperbaric chamber. And so I basically, I'm just sharing that when you're

01:24:18.100 trying to have the best biomarkers of anybody on planet earth, you need to basically take very

01:24:23.640 detailed attention to everything you do on a daily basis. But yet I also run four different companies.

01:24:28.460 And so I have to build these therapies into my lifestyle. So I was showing that I have my computer

01:24:33.000 in there and I work. So now it's just part of my daily lifestyle. And, you know, it's, I guess it's

01:24:38.640 fun because, uh, we can surface these therapies that have so much potential to help people. Now

01:24:44.680 this is like a big system. I have a very often therapy is very hard to get access to, but we're

01:24:49.820 trying to push this forward for everybody. Right. Cause this is like the whole thing is we're trying

01:24:53.820 to make people aware that you can in fact do meaningful things to change your health and

01:24:58.080 wellness. Yeah. I mean, maybe there'll be some man of the people version where it's just like you,

01:25:03.820 you take an oxygen an hour a day while you're sitting at your desk and somehow that has a better

01:25:08.200 effect on you. This is how it starts with the big thing. And then it whittles down to the common man

01:25:12.820 and woman like me and we, we try some other version of it. So again, I appreciate the fact

01:25:17.600 that you're willing to put yourself through this stuff. Stand by. We're going to take a quick break

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01:28:04.560 All right, Brian, forgive me for asking an impertinent question, but the dramatic change in

01:28:15.040 your looks is really something like when you see how you used to look when you were younger versus

01:28:19.460 how you look now. And I hope this isn't insulting, but there's been a little bit of a feminization.

01:28:25.400 Do you think that's fair to say? Like you look slightly more feminine to me now. What's that about?

01:28:29.740 Is that intentional or is that a result of supplements? What's going on there?

01:28:33.400 Yeah, nothing intentional. I mean, the thing is what we tried to do is I did something unique

01:28:38.740 where four years ago we said, okay, if this idea is correct, that we are the first generation that

01:28:43.380 won't die, how would you even go about doing it? It's kind of like Lewis and Clark or going to the

01:28:47.340 moon or sailing West to see if the world is round or not. So we kind of said, how do you do this? And

01:28:53.800 so I hired a team of 30 doctors and we went about and we measured the biological age of every organ in

01:28:59.140 my body. Now, intuitively, again, I may be 43 years old at the time, but if you look at an 80 year old

01:29:05.140 and a two year old, you can compare those two individuals and say one is older than the other.

01:29:09.980 They also have different life expectancies. And then as you get more narrow, is there a difference

01:29:14.040 between a 10 year old and a 70 year old and a 20 year old and a 60 year old as you can say, yes.

01:29:18.800 And so if you get more granular, you can arrive at the idea that you can measure biological age in all

01:29:24.480 your organs. And so I did that. And then we said, what is the best science to actually now slow down

01:29:29.000 my speed of aging and reverse aging damage? And we've just followed the data and the science.

01:29:33.900 And so when you see my appearance evolve, it's just, we're following data and science. We do nothing

01:29:39.640 about appearance like that is proactive. We just say, how can I drive this process of aging to the

01:29:45.400 slowest possible rate and reverse aging damage? So it really is just like a real time live science

01:29:51.840 experiment. Wow. Okay. So, um, you mentioned in the, or we mentioned in the setup to this,

01:29:58.400 that part of the routine is supplements. A lot of them from the sound of 53 or 54 pills in the morning,

01:30:03.340 and then another dosage comes. What are, I mean, just give us a feel for what the most important

01:30:09.100 ones are, uh, in your routine. Yeah. So the most important ones for anybody are the ones you're

01:30:15.040 deficient in. So the key thing, which I advocate more than anything is measurement. It's always helpful

01:30:21.460 to do measurement. And a lot of people don't want to do positive things for themselves. They'll want

01:30:24.880 to do a cold plunge or a sauna, but they don't measure. They don't know where their baseline is.

01:30:29.300 They don't know what was supposed to be the outcome, which makes sense. Measurement is hard

01:30:32.700 and it's expensive, but really the most valuable thing you can do is measure. So the most basic

01:30:37.020 thing is like resting heart rate. Great. Exactly. So for free tonight and for bed resting heart rate,

01:30:42.080 you can do a blood test. Exactly. So my company blueprint makes all these things available to people,

01:30:47.320 uh, like basic blood measurement. Uh, there's also a biological age test where you can see

01:30:52.040 your speed of aging, how fast is your clock at aging? Uh, so if you're a one, for example,

01:30:57.920 you're aging on, you know, 12 months for every 12 months, it passes. Uh, my speed of aging is 0.57,

01:31:03.360 which means my birthday is every 21 months. And so knowing this data is really important. So

01:31:09.140 you can measure like my, a coworker of mine measured theirs and they're 1.16. So they're aging

01:31:14.360 faster than time is. And so if you, once you get that data and you can then say,

01:31:19.260 what am I doing right now that is causing me to age faster? Is it, is it poor sleep? Is it not

01:31:24.240 exercise? Is it a prong diet? And so you can start then making lifestyle changes because you want to

01:31:28.660 drive that number down. So again, it's all driven by data and measurement and you can really, these

01:31:32.960 things work so well. And it's very encouraging. You, you do something positive, you get a good night's

01:31:37.600 sleep or you lower your, your speed of aging. And it's very encouraging.

01:31:40.480 Yeah. Your number has gone down even since the Netflix special, it was now it's even lower.

01:31:46.940 Yeah. It's one of the, so there's 50,000 people in the world measuring their speed of aging is one

01:31:52.340 of the lowest, the entire world. It's the second lowest in the entire world.

01:31:55.880 Well, I mean, you're working very hard for it. So I would expect it to be pretty darn good.

01:32:00.180 Is there anything, is there any sort of magic supplement we should know about? Like

01:32:03.440 of all the ones, once you've gotten yourself not deficient, this is your favorite.

01:32:07.700 Yeah. So I have the blueprint stack. So I published this whole thing and I made everything

01:32:13.620 for free. And then this project went viral and people were like, cool, I'm in, I want

01:32:18.660 to do it. But then it became too complex. You have to like buy these supplements and you

01:32:22.460 have to put them out and do them, remember to restock. And so they said, just make it

01:32:25.880 easy. If I done that. So blueprint is my company. We've made everything easy. This is

01:32:29.720 not a grift. This is me trying to be responsive to people's wishes. At the same time, I make

01:32:35.020 everything known for free. So if you don't want to buy it from me, go do it on your own.

01:32:38.680 That's totally cool. Either way, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to help you out.

01:32:41.380 You're already rich. You don't need to make money off of this. You made money, you owned

01:32:45.060 a, what it sounds like Venmo bought you or you bought venue Venmo and then sold it for

01:32:49.000 $800 million. So you're good.

01:32:51.020 Exactly. And honestly, this food business sucks. Like it is such a pain in the ass. I hate 0.99

01:32:56.620 it. Like there's so many of the things I want to be doing with my time, but also there's

01:33:00.460 no one in the world who is actually solving this basic problem of how do you get non-toxic

01:33:06.860 high quality food. I learned, I mean, everything I put into my body, we would test at a lab and

01:33:12.440 I have come to find out very sadly that food is guilty until proven innocent. It is just

01:33:18.580 the food supply globally is toxic. So now we're in the next 90 days, we're going to try to map

01:33:23.700 the US food home. We're going to try to measure the toxin levels of the 80% of foods that we eat

01:33:31.380 on a daily basis. And we're going to then be able to say like the average American consumes

01:33:35.520 blank amount of mercury per day and blank amount of lead. No one has done that. And so, yeah,

01:33:40.920 I mean, but where do you get your food from? Is it all like greenhouse based or where do you get

01:33:44.480 your food? We source food from all over the world. Again, this is what blueprint does. So we source

01:33:49.020 from people all over the world who have the right farming practices and do the right purity

01:33:53.060 testing. I've learned I can't go to any grocery store anywhere, even a farmer's market and expect

01:34:01.260 it to be clean because they don't control their water supply. They don't control the soil. They 0.91

01:34:05.680 don't control these things. So it's just like a toxin stew we live in. And so, yeah, it's a really,

01:34:12.200 really big problem. And I think people feel powerless. So we're going to try to bring some

01:34:16.440 numerical baselines like this is what's happening in the world. And so, but we really, I think if you say,

01:34:21.460 why is, why are we struggling so hard as a species being well, I mean, our habits are also terrible,

01:34:27.600 but also our food supply is very toxic. So we've, I think we'll, we will have this map in the next

01:34:32.860 few months and have a good baseline for the entire world. Long live Maha and the revolution coming.

01:34:39.280 I mean, at least now we're starting to pay some attention to this. You've got to be a fan of RFKJ,

01:34:42.820 no? Yeah, he's a friend. And, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm eager to help out in any way I can.

01:34:48.620 I really is. I think it'd be a really cool goal for America to have the, the best life expectancy

01:34:54.060 of any country in the world. I think it'd be, I mean, nobody loses when we're in good health,

01:34:58.880 like everybody wins. And so I think it's like something we can rally upon. It's not like,

01:35:02.960 sure. We're going to fight about this. Not always, but you know, if we're actually sleeping well

01:35:06.580 and feeling well, we may fight a little less. What about gene therapy? Because you went down

01:35:12.560 to Honduras, you had them stick a needle in your belly, trying to alter your, your genes. I guess 0.99

01:35:18.720 they were kind of adding something that was gene adjacent, but we spent the first hour talking about

01:35:23.540 some of the downsides of the mRNA vaccine, which is, which is gene therapy. I mean, I think mRNA is

01:35:29.940 gene therapy. So people are like, Oh God, Oh no. But you tried it. You do discontinue things

01:35:36.480 that don't work for you. You're open about like, don't this one. No, that one. No. Where do you

01:35:41.800 stand on the gene therapy you got? And is that something you would do again? Yeah, we did extensive

01:35:46.860 analysis on this. Uh, I had a former FDA official on my team. We had several biotech entrepreneurs,

01:35:52.080 a few scientists, and we scrubbed this thoroughly, uh, not for its efficacy, but for its safety. We were

01:35:58.480 really trying to assess, is it safe now in all things biotech? You can only be so certain. So like,

01:36:03.300 we just don't know what we don't know, but to our best knowledge, it is safe. And you're right.

01:36:07.940 It's not something where it actually changed my DNA. It just changed the expression of a protein

01:36:13.220 full of that. So I just have higher levels. So it's really a baby step on the path to gene therapy,

01:36:18.420 but the, I thought it was safe to experiment with. I thought it was a cool experimentation.

01:36:22.840 Uh, so far the results, I mean, I think they've increased, I think it increased my, my muscle mass

01:36:27.720 and also lowered my speed of aging, but I think the results are early, but I generally, if we want

01:36:33.160 to punch past the one 20 ceiling, we have, your gene therapy is going to play in a very important

01:36:38.200 role. And so I am very bullish on our ability to do it. Like a lot of people, they say in this moment,

01:36:42.340 like you're crazy. There's no way we're the first generation that died. Like, how could you even

01:36:45.820 surmise that with AI? We're bringing online the equivalent of billions of PhD level,

01:36:52.920 human equivalents that are investigating all the mechanisms of aging. Like it's just, it's an insane

01:37:00.800 degree of intelligence. We're bringing online to solve these things. And if you could simply say,

01:37:05.100 the more people working on the problem, the more likely we're solving a solution. That's why I think

01:37:09.260 like this moment really is like, it's the biggest ideological change in our history from a moment

01:37:15.660 where death is inevitable to where we just don't know how long and how well we can live. And so that's

01:37:19.400 what this don't die movement is about is it is remapping the biggest, I mean, like solving death

01:37:25.000 would be the biggest accomplishment in human history. And that's, I think, the big one. And

01:37:31.200 I think it's, it's actually insight. Um, it's, it's funny because most people say,

01:37:36.840 as soon as I hear Honduras, I think you're crazy. Who's who would get on a plane and let somebody in 1.00

01:37:41.460 Honduras stick a needle in their belly. But it's also very brave because you actually did put in the 0.81

01:37:45.940 research and the time, and we were very careful about what, which one you were going to take a

01:37:50.280 risk on. And that was how, how long ago now? A year and a half ago. Yeah. And this is the other

01:37:55.440 thing that people oftentimes will say, you know, you're really doing high risk stuff. And I'll point

01:38:00.520 out that they too conducted an experiment at lunch when they ate the fast food meal. That's an

01:38:05.900 experiment. You know, when they were having fast food, I was having vegetables and extra virgin olive

01:38:09.600 oil, and I was taking my nutrients. So they too are doing experimentation with bad sleep,

01:38:14.400 poor food, toxic food. They just don't realize they're actually probably higher risk than I am.

01:38:20.580 It's so true. All right. Well, you should spend a minute on exercise. You do one hour a day. That's

01:38:24.920 it. I would, I would have thought it would have been like three hours a day.

01:38:27.780 Nope. One hour a day. It's like everything in, uh, health and wellness is just the perfect amount.

01:38:33.940 So a lot of people have this intuition to think that if one is good, two must be better. It's not

01:38:38.400 like you want to find the exact number and that's just with sleep. So if you look at the actual

01:38:42.660 data on all cause mortality around sleep, it's seven hours. Now you can be on the, on the,

01:38:48.500 like seven and a half. If you're highly active, it can be seven and a half, eight, but it's like

01:38:51.980 right there. If you sleep nine or 10, it actually increases your risk of all cause mortality. So

01:38:57.280 more sleep is not better. You want to be just in the right amount. And that's true with exercise.

01:39:01.580 So there gets to be a point where too much. And so even if you're just starting off, you know,

01:39:06.960 have your final meal of the day, you know, a couple hours before bed, get your resting heart rate down,

01:39:10.660 sleep really well. And even if you work out for 20 minutes, great, like a big win.

01:39:15.800 The biggest risk here is someone feels overwhelmed. You don't need to do a lot of stuff.

01:39:21.820 Prioritize sleep, get 20 minutes of exercise a day, and you're doing really well. So just

01:39:26.020 master the basics, get those two things, right. And if you do those things, right, you'll eat better.

01:39:30.400 But really the key is to not feel overwhelmed. These very small things can make a huge difference in

01:39:35.740 how you feel. How do you break down your cardio versus weight training?

01:39:39.200 Yeah, I do. So my, the way we measure cardiovascular fitness is something called VO2 max,

01:39:46.880 and it measures how well the body utilizes oxygen. And so my VO2 max is 64, which is in the top 1% of

01:39:54.960 elite 18 year olds. So my body functions like an 18 year old in this capacity. And so to train that,

01:40:01.920 I do what's called a four by four. So I'll be on the elliptical machine, you can run, do elliptical,

01:40:08.660 anything you want, where you basically exert yourself like 90% plus. And then you rest for

01:40:14.660 four minutes, you do that for like 40 minutes, then you rest for four minutes, and then you do it

01:40:18.860 again. And so four by four training, high exertion, low, high, low. And then also I do zone two,

01:40:24.500 which is like, you want to be like roughly where you want to exercise, where you can have a

01:40:28.180 conversation with somebody and not feel out of breath. So every day I do a little bit of that.

01:40:33.760 Brian, you're fascinating. Thank you for sharing your story with us. I loved the documentary.

01:40:38.960 I appreciate you participating in that. I learned a lot. And I think people can take from this,

01:40:43.000 whatever they find valuable. I mean, very few people are going to go the full

01:40:45.640 Brian, but it's there for you. If you have a lot of money, then you, even if you have no money can

01:40:52.320 take bits and pieces of this. Certainly the sleep should be something we can all try to tackle. Brian,

01:40:56.940 thank you. Thank you so much for all the information. Thank you for having me. And how do you,

01:41:01.140 are you going to do a few of these things? 100% tonight. I, and I'll get back to you. I'll let

01:41:06.160 you know how it works. I'll get your number. Please do it. I'd love to be your accountability partner.

01:41:09.800 Okay. Thank you. All right. All the best to you. Fascinating, right? I mean, like, why not?

01:41:15.040 Why, why, why aren't more people doing this? That's a real question. In modern day America,

01:41:19.140 we have so many AI tools and other great tech things available to us. And yeah, I, to me,

01:41:25.280 a lot of this makes sense. It's extreme, but it makes sense. Anyway, love to hear your thoughts,

01:41:29.040 Megan at megankelly.com. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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