The Megyn Kelly Show - Smug Elitists at Oscars, and What Zelensky Really Did Leading to Oval Blow Up, with Andrew Klavan, Link Lauren, and Christian Toto

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:16.560 There has been massive political fallout, international and domestic, to the Oval Office

00:00:22.520 showdown Friday afternoon between President Trump and President Zelensky. I mean, we experienced

00:00:27.160 that together live here on the air if you watch us live on Sirius XM. It was stunning and of course

00:00:32.340 it was obvious that it was going to be a big deal. And you know, I have to say it's been a predictable

00:00:36.100 reaction from these leftists, but there have been some very interesting new twists. We will spend

00:00:41.700 some time breaking it all down for you in just a bit, how it went off the rails and who was really

00:00:46.360 behind it, who was really behind making it go off the rails in just a bit. But we are going to start

00:00:54.020 the day on a lighter note because the Academy Awards for last night. And the reason it's

00:01:02.300 interesting, I didn't watch it, I didn't watch it, but my team watched it. And I've spent the

00:01:07.220 morning watching clips and getting up to speed on it. And the reason it's interesting to discuss is

00:01:11.040 it's almost like a cultural touchstone in some ways, like where are we? What's too far? What's

00:01:16.020 not far enough? How are we still absolutely, you know, crazy when it comes to wokeism? How loony are

00:01:23.580 we? How loony are they? What are they celebrating? What are they not celebrating? It's just sort of

00:01:28.140 like a little window into Holly weird. And as a result, some of the rest of us, I'll tell you what

00:01:35.820 the biggest outrage was of the whole evening, the whole evening. Where was Reagan? Reagan, not

00:01:42.920 nominated for best picture, the Mark Joseph biopic on Ronald Reagan. And the reason why they didn't

00:01:51.840 qualify under the weird DEI standards that Hollywood has. You have to have like a 38% of the cast and or

00:02:01.460 crew be LGBTQ or also women or BIPOC. Like you can't, you're not eligible to win that award unless you

00:02:12.060 have quotas met on your cat. It's ridiculous. They got robbed. That's my own opinion. Okay. But there

00:02:20.280 was a lot of drama there. There's a lot actually that went down that I found quite interesting and

00:02:25.160 I think you will too. So we're going to start there. Joining me now, influencer and commentator

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00:03:40.060 Christian Link, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Okay. So let's kick it off with the

00:03:45.860 weird tension. I detected it too. I don't think the online influencers are all wrong between Oprah and

00:03:53.800 Whoopi who got up there, uh, to remember Quincy Jones and they, they're, they were both in the color

00:04:04.260 purple and whoopi was nominated for best actress in that film. She didn't win, but she did later

00:04:10.940 win best supporting actress for ghost. And Oprah was nominated for best supporting actress in the

00:04:16.320 color purple and didn't win. She's never won an Oscar. And reportedly this is very upsetting to her

00:04:22.760 because she feels she deserves, she deserves an Oscar, even though TV was her medium, but she,

00:04:27.100 she has to rule everything. So she's bitter. Um, so watch this moment, or of course, predictably,

00:04:32.940 naturally Oprah tries to make it about herself. And you can see Whoopi kind of recoil. Watch.

00:04:39.620 When we talk about black excellence, we're talking about Quincy.

00:04:44.120 My life changed forever and for the better after meeting him. He actually discovered me

00:04:50.660 for the color purple, which was my first film. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me too.

00:05:06.620 You can see Whoopi like kind of pull away from her while she starts talking about herself and the

00:05:12.440 color purple Oprah does. And then Whoopi gives her a couple of claps like, Oh yeah, go Oprah. This one

00:05:17.400 isn't about you. And, uh, that says me too, which is kind of like the me too thing is very interesting

00:05:23.200 because she was the bigger star. She had the bigger role, you know, with Oprah Christian,

00:05:28.920 it's all about Oprah. Um, I don't know if the stage was big enough for those two egos. So that's part of

00:05:35.340 the problem here. It is amazing that you're there to honor someone. And all you can think about is

00:05:39.900 how do I honor myself? How do I raise my, my, my, my, my brand up in this precious moment? It's,

00:05:47.120 it's amazing. It's, it's right on par with these celebrities. It's just not about the movies. It's

00:05:53.200 not about the celebrities. It's about me, me, me get my closeup. I need my time. So I'm not shocked

00:05:58.700 by any of this, but you know, seeing Whoopi Goldberg outside the view is a little refreshing

00:06:02.880 because you do remember she did have talent back in the day and she is actually a good actress and a

00:06:07.520 good performer. You catch her in the pew and it's, you're so right. You forget that she actually is

00:06:12.960 a very good actress. She was great. And I remember jumping Jack flash. I loved that movie. That was so

00:06:18.940 fun. And then of course, go, she was wonderful in that. And then not to mention the color purple

00:06:23.100 and you could, I definitely sensed her being like, what are you doing? Pull away the fake clap thing.

00:06:30.900 And then yeah, me too, Link, which seemed to be a, you were like second billing at best Oprah in that

00:06:38.800 movie, which was mine. Absolutely. And I also have to say, I think Whoopi Goldberg's stylist were

00:06:44.980 sabotaging her. I don't know what the hell she was wearing. She looked horrible. And when I saw Oprah

00:06:50.100 come out on stage, it really was a moment where I thought Hollywood has learned nothing. These liberal

00:06:55.820 Hollywood elites have learned absolutely nothing. If we remember Oprah Winfrey came out a week before

00:07:01.100 this election and said, if Donald Trump wins, if Kamala Harris loses, we will never have another

00:07:06.680 election. This is the final election. Women are going to get sent back to the dark ages. Well,

00:07:11.840 have women lost any rights since January 20th? No, but these rich elite celebrities, they like to

00:07:17.380 virtue signal and pledge loyalty and fealty to Palestine and Ukraine. What about the homeless people

00:07:22.600 outside the Dolby theater that they stepped over in their ball gowns and their diamonds and jewels?

00:07:27.400 These people are full of shit. Oprah, you have less clout than ever before. Nobody cares. You have

00:07:32.620 no influence. And we saw that on November 5th. Goodbye. Yes, that's right. You and I have more

00:07:38.260 influence on the public dialogue than she does. Here, speaking of that, Selena Gomez, it was like

00:07:48.600 weeks ago, weeks ago, weeks ago, that we saw the, ah, ah, my people, the immigrants, evil trauma,

00:07:58.760 the children. Here it is. Just as a refresher, we'll watch a little.

00:08:05.800 I just want to say that I'm so sorry.

00:08:09.140 Only people are getting attacked. Okay, you remember. Okay, but Link, she's made a speedy

00:08:20.640 recovery because good news is last night she appeared in her custom Ralph Lauren number that

00:08:27.600 was complete with her dress. 16,000 drops of glass and hand-sewn rosemont crystals arranged

00:08:34.660 into a lattice pattern made by a team of 12 Italian artisans who airbrushed the glass.

00:08:39.860 She also brought the bling, wearing a platinum collar necklace with a 10-carat pear-cut diamond

00:08:44.740 drop pendant alongside diamond earrings and a handful of rings. That's not even counting what

00:08:50.260 she wore here at the Vanity Fair after-party, which was her custom black sequins column gown by

00:08:55.620 Armani Privé, accessorized with her Bulgari jewelry and her necklace especially standing out as a focal

00:09:03.140 piece. What immigrants?

00:09:06.980 Selena Gomez, you're also full of shit. When she was like, my people, my people are getting

00:09:11.700 attacked. Are your people Trendy at Agua and MS-13 gang members? If those are your people,

00:09:16.340 you have a $35 million mansion with about 25 guest rooms. You haven't taken any of them in since that

00:09:22.260 ridiculous, cringeworthy video. And like you said, Megan, Selena Gomez, she seems to have recovered.

00:09:27.220 She's dripping in diamonds, in jewels. But this goes back to what I was saying. These celebrities

00:09:31.780 love to just virtue signal and tell us how to live our lives. But then they go out there and do the

00:09:36.420 complete opposite. So I want to send Selena Gomez to Guantanamo. I want to send Whoopi Goldberg,

00:09:41.380 Oprah. We don't need these Hollywood celebrities. And I really feel a majority of Americans care less

00:09:46.900 and less about these celebrities. I mean, I used to watch all the movies. I would love the Oscars. I

00:09:51.460 haven't even seen a single one of the movies. But then again, I'm more into American classic films like

00:09:57.540 Mean Girls and The Hangover 2. Yeah. Last night with my family, we watched Braveheart. It was great.

00:10:04.420 We watched that and some of the Oscars. That was an actually great movie. Wait,

00:10:07.700 on the subject of the hypocrisy, Julianne Hough, the dancing with the stars lady. I don't know why

00:10:14.740 she's there, but she's there. Okay. She gets up and goes for woke number one. I'm the wokest of them

00:10:22.260 all because they have this poor schlep do the land acknowledgement. Here she is.

00:10:28.660 We gather in celebration of the Oscars on the ancestral lands of the Tongva, Tataviam,

00:10:33.620 and Chumash peoples, the traditional caretakers of this water and land. We honor and pay our respects

00:10:39.140 to indigenous communities here and around the world. Well, it wasn't that long ago that Julianne

00:10:47.700 Hough was not quite this woke because this is her in blackface doing an orange is the new black

00:10:55.300 Halloween costume 2013, which is just a few years before my comment that people used to wear these

00:11:00.580 kind of costumes. And she was a little less woke then guys. I don't know. I feel like

00:11:06.180 this is what happened. She got so berated by the public for that choice that now she's doing

00:11:11.060 land. I mean, Julianne, just give the land back. Just make the whole night about the transfer of

00:11:18.900 land back to the indigenous people. And we'll call it a night. We wouldn't have to suffer through a

00:11:22.660 three and a half hour show. I think everyone would be happier about that. It's so true. What are they

00:11:27.540 going to do about it, Link? All I want to do is stand up at all these events, these Democrats and

00:11:31.060 say how bad they feel about the Native Americans. Anywho, back to me and my jewels.

00:11:35.540 Right. Exactly. I think after seeing the blackface picture of Julianne Hough,

00:11:40.660 she should get together with Carla Sophia Gascon. They should do a movie together. In fact,

00:11:44.900 Carla Sophia was the only one I would even want to get a drink with from the entire show. But she

00:11:49.700 committed the cardinal sin. All these people, the cardinal sin in Hollywood is if you say anything

00:11:55.300 remotely conservative. If you express an abuse that's just not in that 10% liberal Hollywood bubble,

00:12:00.820 you are going to be ostracized. But I was happy to see Carla Sophia there. I don't know

00:12:05.300 all of her tweets. If she said something horribly heinous, don't come for me. But nonetheless,

00:12:09.460 she's the only person I'd even want to hang out with from the whole show.

00:12:12.500 Yes. Okay. So we are going to get to the movies in a second, but I just want to stay on some of

00:12:16.900 these interesting side issues. Here's my question for you, Christian. Where was the clothing? Where

00:12:23.700 were people's clothes? Kylie Jenner shows up because she was the date of Timothee Chalamet,

00:12:30.180 who's all the rage. I'm not going to lie. I, I thought he was more links type. I did not know

00:12:35.700 that he was into women. I, I didn't. Um, but, and, and, and, you know, time will tell, but in any

00:12:41.380 event, he shows up for me, then she's wearing a bathing suit, which is, you know, right on course

00:12:49.700 for, for the Kardashian Jenner crowd. Look at this, her enormous breasts and a bathing suit

00:12:55.460 was her chosen outfit. Um, I guess I'll start there. The two of them were love birding it up

00:13:01.620 and he had his weird yellow outfit on like canary yellow top to bottom. And then at the Vanity Fair

00:13:08.180 Oscar party, after the fact that they also weren't wearing clothing. I'm not sure why there was, um,

00:13:16.260 what's her name? Um, God, come on. The one from house Olivia wild. We have her picture.

00:13:23.140 Yes. Totally see-through. I can see her boobs. You can see her underwear. She she's on the front.

00:13:30.000 It looks like a granny panty, but in the back she has no bottoms on and you can see her total

00:13:34.300 bottom. I can see total boob all the way belly down to like almost the badge. That was her choice.

00:13:39.720 And then, um, you've got Zoe Kravitz, uh, who thought it would be really hot for us for to show

00:13:46.560 us her entire ass, not even just like the top of the ass crack, but full ass crack. I mean,

00:13:52.180 if you go too low, people start thinking about a different thing that involves the bottom,

00:13:56.700 madam, you've gone too far. It stopped being sexy and started to just be a little raunchy.

00:14:01.600 So you tell me Christian, where were people's clothing?

00:14:05.560 Well, here's the thing. They want to be shocking and outrageous and people have been doing this

00:14:10.740 and share showed up half naked at the Oscars many years ago. If you really want to be shocking

00:14:15.200 and outrageous, you say, Hey, can you bring the hostages home? Hey, you know what's happening

00:14:19.200 in Britain with free speech? It's going away. Maybe we should all rally around that cause and

00:14:23.520 say something about it and bring it to people's attention. That would be genuinely shocking.

00:14:27.780 What this stuff is just silly and just, it just the same old, same old. It's like Madonna posing

00:14:34.200 with her armpit hair, you know, at 60 something, who cares? It's not shocking. It's not revolutionary.

00:14:40.420 Speak up for free speech. Hey, you know what that, that cancel culture stuff, it needs to go,

00:14:44.860 you know, that woke garbage gone, but they won't even say a syllable about that ever. And you know,

00:14:50.760 Michael Rapoport, who's been just an absolute warrior for the hostages. I mean, he did a skit last

00:14:56.340 year saying, imagine if the Oscars actually said, bring the hostages home. This is an outrage. It'll

00:15:02.460 never happen. That is speaking a lot about this industry. You know, I'll tell you something

00:15:08.560 interesting. Uh, my friends over at the commentary podcast, John Pedoritz, who actually is a film,

00:15:12.840 uh, critic, in addition to being just a writer and commentary and so on, used to be a presidential

00:15:17.800 speech writer. He was going off on Adrian Brody because he starred in a movie about the Holocaust

00:15:23.800 and he won, he won best actor and he won another award 20 years ago for the pianist. Got to say that

00:15:32.640 word just right. The pianist. And, uh, that too was about a Holocaust survivor and, uh, you know,

00:15:42.940 justifiably commentary is a Jewish magazine was like, yeah, maybe you would have had a word about

00:15:48.620 like the Holocaust and maybe more than just one passing reference to antisemitism. Like you had to

00:15:55.860 check that box at the end and then he lumped it in together with, uh, you know, racism. Like he,

00:16:02.140 he didn't, it was like, oh, before me, me, me, I, I, I, and before I get played off the stage by the

00:16:08.820 music, uh, antisemitism and racism too. Here's a little bit of that. Watch, uh, Adrian.

00:16:13.860 Please, please. I'm wrapping up. I will wrap up. Please turn the music off. I've done this before.

00:16:18.380 Thank you. I'm here once again to represent the lingering traumas and the repercussions of war

00:16:32.580 and systematic oppression and of antisemitism and racism and of othering. And I believe that

00:16:45.120 I pray for a, a healthier and a happier and a more inclusive world. And I believe

00:16:52.460 if the past can teach us anything, it's a reminder to not let hate go unchecked.

00:17:02.240 What do you make of it? You know, he didn't mention puppies. Why didn't he mention the,

00:17:06.060 how wonderful puppies are? Listen, here's the thing. The Oscar whole season isn't just this night.

00:17:11.600 There are weeks and weeks where all these different artists speak to the press at different

00:17:15.260 events. They do the cocktail parties. And that could have been the moment or moments where he

00:17:19.840 discussed the fact that there were Nazis marching across college campuses for the last year and a

00:17:24.020 half. He didn't do that. And even when he mentions antisemitism and good for him, he had to mention

00:17:29.080 othering, had to mention racism, had to kind of dilute it. That's where we are in society right now.

00:17:34.080 This industry has been so stone cold silent about what's going on in the country, about universities

00:17:39.260 and the chaos and the absolute hatred. They can't spare a syllable. It's just, it is genuinely

00:17:45.120 shocking. So I, you have to give him partial credit for even bringing it up because no one else did.

00:17:50.940 It's so sad, Link. He has to get credit. He's starting to film about the Holocaust. Like,

00:17:55.440 yeah, you might want to give it a mention. Yeah. And I get where Christian's coming from.

00:18:00.100 They should say, bring the hostages home. But if you haven't said that by now, since October 7th,

00:18:04.680 2023, I really don't need to hear it from you in the 11th hour after Hamas has murdered babies,

00:18:09.940 women, and children, and just done horrific, atrocious tragedies. I also really just don't

00:18:15.340 need to hear about foreign policy from these celebrities. I mean, most of them have second

00:18:19.360 grade educations. Selena Gomez, I think she got her degree at Disney Channel University.

00:18:23.660 I don't really need to hear about foreign policy from all you celebrities who are idiots. So Adrian Brody,

00:18:29.380 accept your award and then get off stage. If you haven't spoken up about antisemitism until now,

00:18:33.680 we don't need to hear it. It's a fair point, but it was, it is very noticeable when they try to lump

00:18:38.380 it like antisemitism and racism to racism and the other ism other others. I want to get your,

00:18:44.480 everybody clapping for me. Um, okay. So let's talk about the movie Anora, which I haven't seen it

00:18:51.500 for the record. Podoritz thought it was wonderful and actually thought we should all go see it. I don't

00:18:55.660 know. It's about, uh, I guess like this prostitute or sort of, I don't know if she's a full prostitute,

00:19:02.020 but she's, she's given it up for, uh, reasons other than love. And, um, it's supposedly it's

00:19:08.840 got like a great, Oh yeah. You have to, you have to say sex worker. You're not allowed to say

00:19:12.800 prostitute. And that's what, that, what I want to talk to you about. Like they all tried to elevate

00:19:17.520 that, you know, that job, that, that choice as something kind of laudable, you know, like you

00:19:22.560 have construction workers and you have, you know, dairy workers and you have sex workers. It's just

00:19:29.860 like, it's a choice. It's just a totally fine choice. Here is Sean Baker accepting best original

00:19:35.180 screenplay for that movie. Anora sought three. I want to thank the sex worker community. They

00:19:43.360 have, uh, they have shared their stories. They have shared their life experience with me over

00:19:48.340 the years. My deepest respect. Thank you. I share this with you. And then here's Mikey

00:19:55.560 Madison who accepted the best actress award for the same movie. I also just want to again

00:20:02.620 recognize and honor the sex worker community. I will, I will continue to support and be an

00:20:11.780 ally. All of the incredible people, the women that I've had the privilege of meeting from

00:20:16.720 that community has been one of the highlights of this incredible, of this entire incredible

00:20:22.160 experience. She wants to honor the sex worker community, Link. Absolutely. I mean, I just found

00:20:30.060 out last night that the movie was a Nora. The last year I thought it was Manora and was just happy a

00:20:34.820 Jewish film had been nominated at the Oscars. Turns out it's not Menora. It's a Nora and it's

00:20:39.480 about sex workers. So maybe I should have watched some of the films. Now, when it comes to prostitutes

00:20:44.200 and sex workers, I think it's perfectly fitting this movie won five out of the six awards it was

00:20:48.600 nominated for because almost all those actors and actresses, they are basically prostitutes and

00:20:53.060 hookers themselves. They get dressed up, they go out there, say lines, they say a bunch of bullshit,

00:20:57.540 you pay them, they'll put out whatever you want them to. So they're all basically sex workers in

00:21:01.700 the audience as well. What I was really dismayed by is that Demi Moore didn't win. You know, for the

00:21:06.420 last year we've been hearing about Demi Moore and this knockout performance, I hate to say it,

00:21:10.420 it was sort of Demi Moore's last chance to win a huge best actress award. And so I was a little

00:21:15.680 disappointed that Mikey Madison won and beat out Demi Moore. My one piece of advice to Demi Moore,

00:21:20.540 you look beautiful and I know your name is Demi Moore, but you need to be doing Demi less

00:21:24.400 cheek filler because the Mars rover can see those things. Yeah. Yes. Oh, can I just say something

00:21:29.580 about that? Because I saw the same thing. Demi Moore, she got some sort of strange thing done to

00:21:33.820 her face a couple of years ago. I remember she was walking in, I think the Balenciaga,

00:21:37.820 one of those massive brands, runway shows, and she looked shocking. There had been so much work.

00:21:44.660 And then she went to a surgeon who undid that and she looked much better. She started to look

00:21:51.280 normal, just like a normal woman again. And she looked great. And she's starting to drift over

00:21:56.220 again. It's starting to happen again with the cheeks in particular, Link.

00:22:00.120 Well, the one thing I'll say also that I found really hypocritical is that they keep saying,

00:22:03.800 Demi Moore, she's defying beauty standard. She's defying age standard. She's so beautiful at 62.

00:22:09.040 62 is not old. People are beautiful at any age, but it was so hypocritical because Hollywood,

00:22:13.820 they're the ones who created the age and beauty standards that are so unrealistic.

00:22:18.200 So you guys created these standards and then Demi Moore tries to keep up and now she's being

00:22:22.080 praised. It was a bunch of tomfoolery. And like you mentioned about Kylie Jenner,

00:22:25.960 she's sitting there with her surgicalized body. She's the same age as me. And she's been under the

00:22:30.340 knife 20 times, allegedly. But I don't know what we should be expecting from Kylie Jenner.

00:22:35.160 Yeah, look at Demi Moore there. Look at her.

00:22:36.920 The cheeks are too much. I have a message to my fellow women. It is okay to have lines on your

00:22:44.440 face. It's fine. And honestly, I'm big on Botox. I've told the audience that I am very anti-filler

00:22:50.740 because all it does is make you look bloated and kind of fat. I'd much rather have these lines here.

00:22:55.980 I really would. They're lines. They're lines because I'm 54. Lines come on your face when

00:23:00.560 you're 54. You can do something about the ones up here. You can't do much about these. And that's

00:23:04.780 fine. Might as well let them come instead of make yourself look weirdly fat and bloated

00:23:09.260 on an otherwise stunning face. Christian, care to weigh in on the beauty debate?

00:23:15.140 Yeah. Well, the whole thing is that the movie that she was going to be nominated,

00:23:18.060 that she was nominated for was The Substance, all about these beauty standards, all about how cruel

00:23:22.340 Hollywood is for treating women differently as they get older. And what has she done?

00:23:27.320 She just changed her face. She used all these different appliances and all these techniques

00:23:31.560 to look younger instead of saying, hey, I am 62. Look at my performance and say,

00:23:37.660 this is what I did. This is the character I brought. I got a nomination at this age. I'm

00:23:42.060 defying all the categories that are in Hollywood. But no, actually, she's living a life that is

00:23:48.040 really kind of contrast to the movie itself. It's called The Substance. It's about eternal

00:23:52.240 youth. It's about the cruelty of Hollywood. And that she's just saying, yeah, I'm going to play

00:23:56.440 the game. It's just a lot of pressure. I mean, being in Hollywood is a lot of pressure. I'm like

00:24:02.980 torn because I feel for these women. They can't have a career past a certain age unless they get

00:24:06.900 all this stuff done. But then you do need the best friend or like the husband to be like,

00:24:12.000 sweetheart, you've gone too far. Like Link said, more is not more in some areas.

00:24:17.500 And facial filler is definitely one of them. All right. Back on the subject of anti-Semitism,

00:24:23.800 the movie that won Best Documentary was called No Other Land, which was an outrage because it

00:24:30.100 should have been Matt Walsh's film for The Daily Wire. I mean, just pick your film, really. Could

00:24:36.840 have been What is a Woman? But the one about, you know, DEI and Robin DiAngelo, that should have been

00:24:41.880 nominated. They are too afraid of Matt and he didn't get it. So this movie, No Other Land,

00:24:47.100 One. And here is a soundbite of that movie from its trailer, which is about what's happening in

00:24:54.200 Palestine.

00:25:00.000 I started to film when we started to end the year 2019. They have bulldozers.

00:25:13.080 Filming you, there's a bulldozer knocking down settlements. I need air on my

00:25:17.080 God. Palestinians are upset. I don't want them to take our home. Could open eyes, eyes,

00:25:28.020 change minds. Okay. So that's, this is a film about, you know, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

00:25:34.320 pulled from one point of view only. And it won Best Documentary. And this is how they sounded when

00:25:44.200 they went up to accept it. Stand by. Saw 12.

00:25:47.260 Two months ago, I became a father and my hope to my daughter that she will not have to live

00:25:53.080 the same life. I'm living now, always feeling,

00:25:56.740 always, always feeling settlers' violence, home demolitions, and forest-built displacements that my

00:26:06.900 community, Masaf Riata, is living and facing every day under the Israeli occupation. No other land

00:26:13.440 reflects the harsh reality that we have been enduring for decades and still resist as we call

00:26:22.740 on the world to take serious actions to stop the injustice and to stop the ethnic cleansing of

00:26:28.400 Palestinian people. Okay. And then you got more of it when their director got up there as well. Okay.

00:26:34.340 You get the gist. So all the time in the world for that kind of messaging. And then again, contrast,

00:26:40.300 Christian, with the Adrian Brody anti-Semitism and racism and othering against all of it. That's

00:26:45.420 about as much as the Israelis or Jews in America got. But that's why you don't get that plea to stamp

00:26:52.640 out anti-Semitism. Because listen to the crowd's reaction to their win, to their speeches. There were

00:26:58.240 people standing up. There were people cheering. They won over the crowd. That's the message that

00:27:03.220 Hollywood supports, not the fact that the hostages are still in captivity or they've been killed or

00:27:08.820 they've been treated badly or October 7th and it's fallout. That's not what they care about. They care

00:27:13.600 about this film. It says everything about the industry today and none of it is good.

00:27:18.560 I was shocked, Link, that Emilia Perez did not. Inora was the big winner about the, quote,

00:27:23.800 sex worker. But I was shocked that Emilia Perez did not win the Best Picture award because it's been

00:27:30.220 winning. And it's about this Colombian drug cartel lord who decides to go trans and, quote,

00:27:38.820 becomes a woman. And then it turned out that guy who was, he was nominated as one of the best

00:27:44.180 actresses, even though it's a man, said a bunch of things that sound, you know, right-wing-ish

00:27:50.720 and got canceled. Because while, you know, arguably offensive, I think the real sin, as you pointed out

00:27:57.420 earlier, was the principles, the underlying principles are more right-leaning, which is not

00:28:02.120 okay. But Emilia Perez did get one big win. Zoe Saldana won for Best Supporting Actress. She's

00:28:08.680 the one in that ridiculous clip that we always play when the guy's like, vaginoplasty, yes!

00:28:13.640 Yes!

00:28:14.540 Rhinoplasty, yes!

00:28:15.140 In the tuba dance!

00:28:18.600 And so she won. And here's a bit of that in SOT 16.

00:28:22.380 Mommy! Mommy! Mommy! My mom is here. My whole family's here. My grandmother came to this

00:28:36.300 country in 1961. I am a proud child of immigrant parents. With dreams and dignity and hardworking

00:28:49.660 hands. And I am the first American of Dominican origin to accept an Academy Award. And I know I

00:28:56.260 will not be the last. She's no dummy. That's exactly what you should do if you want to get in Hollywood.

00:29:03.060 Is it not, Christian? You get up there. Oh, my gosh. And you, yeah. Immigrant,

00:29:07.980 immigrant, Dominican, first ever. Uh-huh. I think Lake and Riley's family might disagree

00:29:13.440 with that speech. Listen, what this is, and the great actor, Nick Searcy, mentioned this to me a

00:29:18.020 while ago, and it really stuck with me. These are all not just speeches. They're auditions for the next

00:29:22.780 part. This is them saying, I am with you. I think like you. Please hire me for your next gig because I

00:29:28.760 can, you know, reflect your values. That's what this, that's what a lot of this is. And, you know,

00:29:33.480 what Hollywood doesn't do is it doesn't distinguish between illegal immigration and legal immigration

00:29:38.720 because we don't object to legal immigration. It's a beautiful, wonderful thing. But they blur the

00:29:43.500 lines on purpose. They do it all the time. And, you know, I mean, several winners last night, even

00:29:50.060 though it was fairly woke free in most regards, they had to say, oh, I'm the first X, Y, Z to win.

00:29:57.040 You won. Just give the speech. It speaks for itself. Just grab the award and go home.

00:30:02.820 Could you talk about your acting? Take a page or make it your face. Yeah, exactly.

00:30:05.360 Yeah. Talk about, like, thank your director. Thank your family. You know, talk about your process.

00:30:11.020 Even with a sex worker thing, it would have been fine to say, I thank the women who helped me

00:30:16.120 understand this role. But, like, I honor and respect that. Why? No, this is not something we

00:30:23.780 want held up as a value for our young daughters. Like, sure, sure, this is an option for you,

00:30:28.480 honey. We were sitting there with my, I didn't watch it, but if I had been, 13-year-old daughter,

00:30:32.560 sure, sex worker, it's on the list. You could look into that. You spread your legs for any Tom,

00:30:37.320 Dick, or Harry who comes along and they give you, you know, a meaningful wage, potentially,

00:30:41.820 if you're one of the lucky ones. What a ridiculous joke. These people would never want

00:30:45.860 their family members to go into this totally respectable, honorable line of work. Anyway,

00:30:50.340 Link, your thoughts on it? Well, I mean, you mentioned spreading your legs. That's probably

00:30:53.680 how half of them got cast in these films. But when we watch Zoe Saldana's speech, it's interesting.

00:30:58.340 She's all about diversity, but she rose to fame because of the Avatar series where she's been

00:31:02.620 appropriating the Blue Man group for about 10 years. So Zoe Saldana also, she really underscores this

00:31:08.320 theme in Hollywood where they love diversity, Black, Asian, Latin, Venezuelan, Dominican,

00:31:13.220 whatever she is, but they don't like diversity of thought. So you can be from any nationality,

00:31:18.640 ethnicity, but if you express a view that goes against their dharma, their dogma, if it's not

00:31:22.900 a liberal, elitist, progressive view, then you're going to get ostracized. And that's what we saw

00:31:27.380 with the transgender actress. Now, as for that movie, Amelia Perez, I'm not shocked it didn't win

00:31:32.180 Best Picture. Who wants to go see a transgender opera? Nobody wants to go see this. And Hollywood will

00:31:38.600 continue fading into irrelevance. They will fade away off the cliffs of California unless they

00:31:44.580 embrace the 77 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump. If they don't embrace half the

00:31:49.840 country or even these millions of independents, they are going to continue disintegrating. There's

00:31:54.200 a reason people aren't going to movies. It's not because we suddenly became lazy. It's because the

00:31:58.640 movies suck.

00:31:59.360 Yes. That's really, that's, that's an excellent observation and really kind of the main takeaway.

00:32:04.880 Is it not Christian? Like, do you remember, I remember when I was a young lawyer, I was practicing

00:32:09.760 newly as a lawyer in Illinois. It was 1995. And there was this great guy I knew who was on Michigan

00:32:16.720 mile in Chicago. He had this great apartment that overlooked the twinkly lights of the Chicago

00:32:22.180 downtown and Lake Michigan. And he had one of those player pianos that plays itself, you know,

00:32:27.100 it was just so fun. And he used to have this big Oscar celebration every time the Oscars run. And

00:32:32.320 we got invited. They ordered in the best Italian food and there were drinks flowing and it was so

00:32:37.620 fun. And everybody wanted to see who won because we had all seen the films and we knew the actors

00:32:42.740 and we didn't hate them or think that they hated us. It's a totally different dynamic now where you're

00:32:49.160 like, eh, I'll check the clips. I, I haven't seen any of these and I'm pretty sure we all hate each

00:32:55.240 other. By the way. Okay. So the movie that won it all last night, Anora, $15 million at the box

00:33:01.560 office, U S that is a, a pittance. That means that no one has seen it. But by the way, whenever I tweet

00:33:06.820 about the Oscars, it is my job. It's what I do. Everyone who responds to me says, Oh, I'm sorry.

00:33:12.060 Uh, taking one for the team. I'm not watching for thoughts and prayers. I mean, it is ridiculous.

00:33:18.040 People are actively not watching the Oscars. And like you said, back in the day, you make a party,

00:33:23.520 you have a pool. You say who got the most nominations, right? It was fun. It was exciting.

00:33:28.100 It was, it was a celebration of all the movies we just watched. And now it's like, Oh, I haven't

00:33:32.240 seen eight out of 10. I haven't seen nine out of 10. I saw Dune part two and that's it. It is so

00:33:37.500 disconnected from the public. And listen, it shouldn't be a, this movie was the best, uh,

00:33:42.700 made the most money and that gets best picture. It shouldn't be that way. But the disconnect

00:33:45.980 is profound. And I'm looking forward to hearing the ratings. I suspect they'll be pretty low,

00:33:50.740 but they're, I mean, they've shrunk so dramatically from about 10 or years, years ago. People don't

00:33:55.960 care. It is not a cultural institution. It's dying. And now I'm bringing it may actually go

00:33:59.820 onto Netflix and ABC, which is another sort of step down the ladder. Wow. Go ahead, Link.

00:34:05.360 Well, I was going to say Rachel Maddow makes 10 million more dollars a year than what a

00:34:09.880 normal at the box office. Just to put it in perspective, Rachel's making 25 million. And you're

00:34:14.540 telling me a Nora made 15 million at the box office. Nobody cares about these movies. And my

00:34:19.860 comments said the same thing, Christian. They're like, you must be a martyr or a masochist for

00:34:23.800 watching the Oscars. I said, yes, I'm doing it for you guys. I don't want to be doing this. I'd

00:34:28.040 rather be waterboarded by ISIS than watch this show, but I'm here doing it for you.

00:34:32.960 You're, you're a giver, both of you that way. I'm going to end on this. Um, there was finally a

00:34:37.900 tribute by Morgan Freeman to, um, the great Gene Hackman who died under very strange circumstances,

00:34:43.300 which are still being investigated. The latest out of Santa Fe, New Mexico is that, um,

00:34:47.600 they believe that his pacemaker last had a hit, you know, in the recording, it gets recorded

00:34:53.360 on February 17th, which means they had been lying there for 10 days. Dr. Biden was on Fox News famed,

00:34:59.900 um, forensic pathologist suggesting he thinks maybe Gene had a heart attack and the wife possibly was

00:35:05.320 like frantically trying to get heart medication, blood pressure medication back in the bathroom to

00:35:10.820 save him maybe, and had a slip and fall or had a heart attack of her own. That's just speculation at

00:35:15.580 this point. We'll have to wait, but they did not find carbon monoxide in the bodies. So it really,

00:35:19.460 truly was not a carbon monoxide event. Um, the dog who died in the kennel was believed to have been

00:35:23.560 locked in the kennel and died from just dehydration, starvation. Uh, so in any event, that whole thing

00:35:28.560 is very mysterious, but Morgan Freeman got up there and give a brief, but sober tribute, tribute to the

00:35:33.260 great Gene Hackman. I'll play it in part. Gene always said, I don't think about legacy.

00:35:39.120 I just hope people remember me as someone who tried to do good work.

00:35:47.620 So I think I speak for us all when I say, Gene, you'll be remembered for that

00:35:53.960 and for so much more. Rest in peace, my friend.

00:36:01.360 And you know what guys, the reason we all feel like, Oh, Gene Hackman, even though he's a 95 year

00:36:08.780 old man, we knew he was going to die at some point in the next, you know, not too distant future is

00:36:12.980 because he did, he was from an era of Hollywood where we all loved him. You know, he did Hoosiers

00:36:20.480 and French connection and unforgiven and the firm. And like, he never took a side. In fact, there's a

00:36:27.020 great clip circulating of him saying like, I'm a Democrat, but I really loved and respected Ronald

00:36:32.060 Reagan as something to that effect. You know, it was just a different time. And it was a time that

00:36:36.580 allowed us all to enjoy the art coming out of Hollywood. That time has gone. Um, you're, you're

00:36:43.880 new here, Christian. So I'll give you, I'll give you the first crack on that one.

00:36:47.320 Yeah. You know, I don't know. Gene Hackman never insulted me. He never talked down to me. He never

00:36:53.220 told me how to vote. He never insulted me in any fashion. He just made great movies.

00:36:58.540 And in his late seventies, he said, you know what? I think I've done enough. I'm going to retire.

00:37:02.080 I mean, everything about his, his career and his personal life just seemed like an arc of grace

00:37:06.000 and courage. And he was the best at what he did. And for all those reasons, we admire him and we

00:37:11.320 miss him dearly. And again, even though he was in his nineties, it just, it still feels like a loss.

00:37:15.140 So he is an era that has gone by. We just don't have that anymore.

00:37:18.600 It's a loss of more than Gene Hackman. It's a loss of an era that we all really

00:37:22.520 treasured and didn't know is temporary link. Yeah. Nobody even makes good films anymore.

00:37:28.440 I miss that era. I'm going to miss that era. I'm probably going to have to stream that era

00:37:32.060 on Amazon prime. Thank you, Jeff Bezos. But when Morgan Freeman came out as devastating,

00:37:37.600 as devastating as it is that Gene Hackman passed away, I was happy to see Morgan Freeman or Mick

00:37:41.920 Jagger because actually there was some star power finally at the Oscars. I don't really know who a lot

00:37:47.260 of these young actors and actresses are. They don't have that same pizzazz and star factor that actors

00:37:52.380 used to have to have to make it in Hollywood. So when I saw Morgan Freeman and Mick Jagger come out,

00:37:57.100 at least it was a little exciting and reminded you, oh, there are big stars who have that X factor

00:38:01.820 because we don't have a lot of that anymore. I can't help but feel like the stars who knew

00:38:08.600 they were there for their acting have never shown up to the Oscars naked. You know, honestly,

00:38:15.920 nothing against Cher because she did a great job in Moonstruck. But if you have to call attention to

00:38:22.480 yourself by taking off your clothes, I mean, truly to the point where you are near naked,

00:38:27.040 something's wrong. I realize these women are and were older, but you never saw Helen Mirren doing

00:38:33.380 that. You never saw Dame Judi Dench do such a thing. They had dignity. They had class. Even

00:38:41.240 Gwyneth Paltrow, when she won for Shakespeare in Love, she had the beautiful strapless ball gown.

00:38:48.500 She looked very pretty. I've never seen her go for the cheap trick like that. Now she sells vagina

00:38:53.580 candles on her website, but that's different. That's a different thing. The point is simply when

00:38:59.400 you're taking off your clothes to get attention, get people talking about you, you've taken a sour

00:39:03.340 turn. It's time to reevaluate, you know, your life's choices because today we should not be

00:39:07.740 talking about Zoe Kravitz, who is extremely talented. Her ass crack, right? We should be

00:39:12.280 talking about her. Anyway. Okay, guys, thank you both so much. My pleasure. Thank you, Megan.

00:39:19.200 Oh, the pleasure was all mine. Okay. Up next, we have Andrew Klavan. He is, of course, a very

00:39:23.680 famous writer and many of his books have been turned into and he's written Hollywood

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00:40:44.460 Here with me now, Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show over on The Daily Wire.

00:40:49.460 His latest book, The Kingdom of Cain, is out in May. Andrew, welcome back. So did you watch the

00:40:57.760 Academy Awards last night? I dipped into it again and again. I watched actually a substantial little

00:41:03.500 bit of it, yeah. And what'd you think? Well, I thought it was actually important. I called it

00:41:08.160 the Screw You America Oscars. You know, it was like this kind of defiant final gasp of a dying art form,

00:41:15.300 you know, saying that we're going to make movies. You know, we're not here to entertain you. We're

00:41:19.500 here to show you our virtue and how superior it is to your everyday Trumpian ideas of patriotism and

00:41:25.580 marriage and love and prosperity. And we're going to show you how much more, how much wiser and higher

00:41:31.460 in our virtue we are than you. We're making movies that nobody sees about issues no one cares about.

00:41:37.460 And we're going to celebrate those movies as if they were Casablanca and The Godfather and really

00:41:41.820 great cinematic inventions of the past. And, you know, conservatives are always complaining about

00:41:48.460 the left-wing ideas of the movies and the way the actors get up on stage and curse at us. But that's

00:41:54.220 not what bothers me. I mean, what bothers me is that their ideas are a dead end and they've hit that

00:41:59.740 dead end. And that's why I thought it was actually an important cultural moment that this thing that

00:42:04.160 used to be the Super Bowl of entertainment that everybody used to tune in on isn't watching at all.

00:42:08.500 Nobody was tweeting about it. Nobody was talking about it. Nobody has seen

00:42:11.500 any of the movies. And each one of them in its own way was a diss to the American people. It was just

00:42:18.340 a slap in the face of the American people. You know, you had, you know, the transgender musical,

00:42:23.040 you know, which is like having an anorexia musical, you know, it's like this kind of

00:42:26.540 delusion that has become the latest sexual fetish of the left. You had, you know, a film about

00:42:33.520 brutalist architecture that's three and a half hours long that you almost forced you to stay home

00:42:37.800 and watch Turner classic movies. You know, everything they did, including Wicked, which

00:42:42.300 was a popular film. There was a movie that was telling you, you know, oh, you love the 1939 classic,

00:42:48.340 The Wizard of Oz. But and you thought it was about a girl coming of age and battling her inner good

00:42:53.640 wish and bad wish so she could become the kind of woman who gives men intelligence and courage

00:42:58.460 and heart. You know, no, no, no. That's not what it's about. It's about racial prejudice because

00:43:02.420 everything is about racial prejudice. And the winner, a film I actually saw, Anora, which it's

00:43:08.580 message, if you can say that, its theme was about a girl who is a sex worker, as they say now. She's

00:43:14.180 basically a prostitute. But she yearns to marry a man who will cherish and protect her. That's

00:43:20.120 actually the theme of the movie. But to get to that theme, you had to watch 40 minutes of pornography.

00:43:25.540 It was degrading pornography. And like, you know, when I was a young writer and I'd hang out with

00:43:30.340 writers and you'd say to somebody, this story is boring. Every young writer will say,

00:43:34.180 oh, it's supposed to be boring because life is boring. And you say, yeah, but that's not how art

00:43:38.260 works. And in the same way, in the same way, this guy was saying to you, well, it was supposed to be

00:43:42.380 degrading pornography because that was conveying the message that this way of life is degrading.

00:43:47.340 But I don't want to watch it. I don't want to be degraded by the movies that I watch. And so

00:43:51.140 everything about it was this hostility of people who are, Megan, these people are incredibly talented.

00:43:57.180 Every single person who is in that room, every single person who's nominated, every single

00:44:01.160 person who gets on that stage has more of a gift from God than anyone could possibly deserve.

00:44:07.120 They're all beautiful. They're all talented. They all know exactly what they're doing. But they're

00:44:11.040 trapped inside this philosophy that is a dead end. And it's not about the politics. The politics

00:44:17.720 are a symptom of the philosophy, which is this kind of empty materialist, you know, meaningless life

00:44:24.340 philosophy that you can't make art out of because it doesn't reflect the human condition, which is

00:44:30.540 the subject of art. And to me, it's just sad to watch. You know, if you want to just think back

00:44:36.360 in time for a minute, think back to 1987. 1987, the Reagan revolution has taken place. Reagan has

00:44:43.260 saved the country. He's made us all rich. And part of that wealth is the stock market is booming. And it

00:44:48.160 creates this culture of traders who, as they put it in the movie, Wall Street, you know, greed is good.

00:44:53.480 Two works of art come out in 1987. One is by the left-wing director, Oliver Stone. It's Wall

00:45:00.260 Street, actually really good movie. And the other is a novel by the right-wing, right-leaning author,

00:45:06.920 Tom Wolfe, The Bonfire of the Vanities. And both of these books kind of absolutely lacerate this greed

00:45:13.580 is good culture that is part of the Reagan revolution that has saved the country. And so you step back and

00:45:18.520 say, well, why does both a right-winger and a left-winger expose this culture and satirize

00:45:24.220 this culture that right-wingers are supposed to have loved? We all look back fondly on Ronald Reagan.

00:45:29.300 And the reason is life is really complicated. It's really complex. And so capitalism is this

00:45:35.040 beautiful engine of wealth and creativity and competition, but it also reduces all of us to

00:45:42.040 consumerists and to little scrooges. And, you know, Wordsworth had a line at getting and spending,

00:45:48.080 we waste our powers. And that is true of capitalism too. Life is complex. So complex artists on both the

00:45:54.000 right and the left were capable of having free and open minds enough to create works of art out of the

00:45:59.320 moment we were in that were also complicated and also made us look at ourselves in new ways.

00:46:05.220 That's complexity. Those are free thinkers. Now we have these people who must,

00:46:09.240 they must believe certain things. If you go on the Oscar website and you search standards,

00:46:14.920 it will tell you exactly how many excluded people you need to have in your movies,

00:46:20.240 exactly how many story narratives have to deal with excluded people. It's the DEI of art. It's

00:46:25.820 death to art. It's death to free thinking. And they're all stuck in it and they can't break free.

00:46:31.300 If you say anything even slightly out of the box, you're canceled, you're done. That's the death of art.

00:46:37.260 So their ideas become these simplistic things. Men can become women. Evil can be destroyed if we're

00:46:42.780 only tolerant of one another. You know, just free sex will make you liberated. These are the ideas

00:46:49.580 of children. These are adolescent children ideas that turn artists into troglodytes, you know?

00:46:54.600 So now a guy who loves the arts, me, is looking at this and I've been saying, I've been talking to

00:47:00.360 you about this for at least six or 10 years. Our art scene has been dead. Our novels aren't that good.

00:47:06.260 Our movies aren't that good. Some good things pop up on TV, but not that often.

00:47:10.880 That's coming to an end. And that's what this Oscars was about. This was like the Terminator's

00:47:15.140 fist as he sinks down into the fiery lava and is destroyed. They were showing their defiance

00:47:20.800 because they know they're finished. This is a finished community. It'll come back. The arts always

00:47:28.320 come back because the arts are the expression of the spirit and man and the spirit never dies.

00:47:32.220 But this idea was a dead end and now it's hit the wall. And so it's a very, it's really a sad moment

00:47:39.720 for an art form that dominated the 20th century and spread American values and the values of freedom

00:47:45.780 throughout the world. It's a sad end to that of these people talking to themselves. And as you were

00:47:51.900 saying to my pal Christian Toto, you know, exposing their bodies instead of saying complex and interesting

00:47:57.440 things. And it's a sad moment, but it's the beginning of something new. I do not think this

00:48:02.360 can continue. I know for a fact, these people are all broke. Their studios are broke. They have no

00:48:06.700 money to make films. They have no way of reaching the people who care about new things. And the,

00:48:11.960 and the Trump era is not just about Trump. He's just really in some ways he's the cause of it,

00:48:17.580 but in other ways, he's just the symbol of it. This isn't a true vibe shift. This is not a vibe

00:48:22.600 shift for today or Thursday or Friday. This is a vibe shift that's going to continue, uh, for I,

00:48:27.900 I believe decades to come. This is a new idea that has come into the world that maybe there's more

00:48:32.880 to our traditions than we thought. Maybe there's more to Liberty than we thought. Maybe there's more

00:48:38.120 to having different opinions and discussing them with respect than we thought. And maybe there's more

00:48:42.520 to mankind and the soul of man than we were allowed to think. I think this is a big change that's

00:48:47.680 coming and these guys are going to be left behind, but there's a new generation, the Gen Z people,

00:48:51.860 they get it and they're going to make great art in the future. And I'm not depressed about it. I'm

00:48:56.500 just waiting. I live long enough to see the change that's coming. I totally agree with that.

00:49:02.000 I was thinking about it because Timothee Chalamet was in the news. He played Bob Dylan and, um, so

00:49:06.820 was there and, and, um, didn't win, but he was quoted recently as saying, I really want to be one of

00:49:11.820 the greats. You know, I, I would love to be remembered as one of the greats and like a Brando type.

00:49:16.860 Um, and you can't do that without great material. Like you can be the greatest ever. Uh, but if

00:49:23.060 you're handed only like a bunch of absolutely meaningless drivel, it will never happen.

00:49:28.500 So the great talent that's out there now should be hoping for this revolution. They should be

00:49:32.820 hoping for the ashes to come such that it can then be rebuilt because right now, I mean, it was peak

00:49:40.380 maybe five, four years ago, but we're, it's still terrible. And I think it's going to remain,

00:49:45.200 you know, pretty terrible for a while. Cause there's such a lead time on these movies. You

00:49:48.780 know, they should be looking at things like Maverick and seeing how well it did any movie

00:49:52.520 involving faith, friendship, redemption. Those do well, uh, stuff about trans operas. Not so much.

00:49:59.880 The winning thing about the sex worker, 15 million. No, um, they're, they're slowly going to learn

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00:51:11.160 It had the feelings at times, Dana, of an ambush. It seemed as though, you know, Vladimir Putin's work

00:51:19.080 was being done for him. It was a planned ambush designed to embarrass President Zelensky in order

00:51:26.100 to benefit Vladimir Putin. I think there's no question that this was a setup. This was a setup

00:51:32.080 for the cameras to try to humiliate Zelensky. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. There you

00:51:38.800 heard media and Democratic leaders continuing and repeatedly calling Friday's blowup at the White

00:51:44.580 House, an ambush of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky by President Trump and Vice President Vance.

00:51:50.020 We will be hearing about the fallout from this meeting for a very long time.

00:51:54.180 Okay, but the widely shared clips online do not tell the whole story of what actually happened in that

00:52:00.560 meeting. We were all together when this broke. Remember, we had the gals from Red Scare on. We

00:52:04.240 just got long clips. Now I've watched the whole thing and maybe you have too. But I'll tell you,

00:52:08.840 if you haven't watched the whole thing, you haven't seen the proper parts highlighted by the mainstream

00:52:12.080 media, including Zelensky's antagonism and true open disrespect and the Democrats' apparent attempt

00:52:21.020 to sabotage the meeting just prior to it, which they've been openly bragging about. But now that they

00:52:28.400 just want to blame it all on Trump are trying to say has been totally misrepresented. No,

00:52:33.040 we didn't. We didn't do anything. You, Chris Murphy, you're a villain and you're a liar.

00:52:38.960 We'll get into it. Most news programs you're going to listen to have neither the time nor the desire to

00:52:43.280 walk their audiences through the critical moments that happened before the viral showdown. But we do.

00:52:49.800 And we would like all of you to fully understand what took place in total.

00:52:52.880 This thing lasted 49 minutes. President Trump started the meeting complimenting President

00:52:57.940 Zelensky and the Ukrainian soldiers. Your soldiers have been unbelievably brave. We've

00:53:04.240 given them great equipment, but they've somebody has to use the equipment. They've been unbelievably

00:53:08.080 brave. This was supposed to be over very quickly. And here we are three years later. So I give

00:53:16.640 tremendous credit to your generals and your soldiers and yourself.

00:53:20.700 I was very gracious of the president. He told Mr. Zelensky, it was an honor to have him in the

00:53:27.220 Oval Office. Trump's doing the right thing there. He's glad handing. He's paying him compliments.

00:53:31.580 He's showing him respect. Mr. Zelensky in return thanked President Trump for the invitation and said

00:53:36.980 he hoped the minerals deal would be the first step to real security guarantees. He then took out a

00:53:43.620 series of photos to show President Trump. They pictured Ukrainian prisoners of war held in Russian

00:53:49.820 captivity. It was Mr. Zelensky's way of saying to President Trump, this is who you are dealing

00:53:55.140 with. President Trump looked at the photos, expressed sympathy, and said, that's why we need this war to

00:54:01.640 end. Contrary to what critics will have you believe, it was President Zelensky who publicly challenged

00:54:08.300 President Trump in his face first several times in front of the cameras. Mr. Trump repeatedly kept his

00:54:18.500 cool. Mr. Zelensky openly disagreed with the president when talking about Europe's contributions

00:54:25.160 to the war. Watch. Europe really helped. President Trump said that they made less support, but they

00:54:33.400 have our friends and they are our very supportive partners. They really gave a lot, Mr. Brennan.

00:54:41.620 Yeah, really, they did. They gave a lot, but they gave much less. No. Much less. No.

00:54:47.040 You can see they had a little disagreement for the listening audience. They both leaned in

00:54:58.580 on their point and Trump sort of jokingly, warmly, in a friendly manner, kind of touched

00:55:05.500 Zelensky's arm like, oh, I kind of agree to disagree. It was good. It was a nice moment. They

00:55:09.500 laughed it off and they kept going. A few minutes later, President Zelensky again publicly challenged

00:55:15.940 Mr. Trump over his assertion that Russian President Vladimir Putin never broke a deal with Ukraine

00:55:22.860 during Trump's first term in office. 25 times he broke and sits fire.

00:55:28.440 But he never broke to me. He never broke to me. No, no, you were the president. You were the

00:55:32.720 president. He never broke to me. In 2016, you've been the president, Mr. President. You've been the

00:55:37.740 president. But he had, of course, not with you, but he had during those periods, he had conversations

00:55:44.260 with our side. And we had Normandy format, you know, the France, Germany, Ukraine and Russia.

00:55:50.040 And he broke in 25 times. That's why we will never accept just ceasefire. It will not work

00:55:57.100 without security guarantees. Security guarantees. Maybe the president is right about this document

00:56:03.220 and other, but this document is not enough. President Zelensky spoke for several minutes

00:56:09.680 on this topic, making his case for why he does not trust President Putin. President Trump did not

00:56:14.700 interrupt him once. It happened one more time before the big blow up. And let's let's be honest.

00:56:21.180 Every diplomat knows there is risk in doing this to another world leader. And in particular,

00:56:28.100 if that leader is Donald Trump, he does not like to be confronted in this manner. And that's

00:56:34.120 completely acceptable and normal. Look at how Benjamin Netanyahu handled the time with Joe Biden.

00:56:41.300 You don't think he wanted to punch Joe Biden in the face many times when he came to visit the White

00:56:45.440 House over what he was saying. But he handled himself with charm, with respect, with dignity,

00:56:52.400 and never openly antagonized the guy from whom he was asking so much.

00:56:58.940 Okay, so Zelensky went at it again, having already gotten away with this a couple of times,

00:57:05.460 he decided to press his luck. This time, he even went so far as to accuse President Trump

00:57:10.760 of getting his information in the form of propaganda directly from President Putin.

00:57:17.260 A lot of cities have been destroyed. A lot of cities that are not recognizable. There's not a

00:57:22.900 building standing. And a lot of a lot of things. You have to come and to look. No, no, no. We have

00:57:29.480 very good cities. Yes, a lot of things have been destroyed, but mostly cities alive. Ukraine is

00:57:36.420 fighting and Ukraine lives. This is very important. And maybe it's Putin is sharing this information

00:57:42.300 that he destroyed us. What's that? So he interrupts President Trump as he's speaking

00:57:48.620 and then says he's wrong, only to then admit that Trump is right. There has been a lot of destruction,

00:57:55.040 but there are cities that are still intact. Well, Trump didn't dispute that. It's like,

00:58:00.180 what's he doing? He's poking the bear over and over. Why would you do that to somebody

00:58:06.020 whose support you must have, you desperately need? Why was he in there antagonizing Trump?

00:58:14.780 I mean, in particular, this would be antagonistic to any of us, but in particular to President Trump.

00:58:19.680 And he knows that, as do all world leaders. It is what it is. Deal with it. But once again,

00:58:27.020 President Trump let the comment slide. He was staying above it. He did not engage,

00:58:33.220 though he was being directly challenged publicly. President Trump even said at one point, quote,

00:58:37.200 we haven't committed, but could conceivably, end quote, commit U.S. troops to Ukraine after a peace

00:58:46.180 deal is reached. That was a huge moment and could have been a huge win for President Zelensky to take

00:58:52.860 home because Trump has said exactly the opposite thus far, but he did not take the W. Aside from his

00:58:59.860 vocal criticism and interruptions and challenges of President Trump before the open argument that we all

00:59:06.440 saw, Mr. Zelensky's body language also caught the attention of many observers. When President

00:59:11.520 Trump was talking about not wanting any more death on either side, Mr. Zelensky raised his eyebrows and

00:59:18.340 sighed. We have tremendous death taking place as we speak. And I don't want to have that. You know,

00:59:24.980 think of the parents, think of the, whether they're in Russia or Ukraine, think of the parents of all

00:59:29.800 these people being killed needlessly. They came taller. Should have never started. This would,

00:59:35.980 if I were president, this would have never started. He also shook his head, shrugged,

00:59:44.820 sighed, and rolled his eyes several more times while President Trump was making his points. Watch.

00:59:50.420 I don't think you're going to need much security. I think once this deal gets done, it's over.

00:59:56.220 Russia's not going to want to go back and nobody's going to want to go back.

00:59:59.560 Shaking his head.

01:00:00.140 And who would protect those minerals if they are U.S. interests? Would that be

01:00:02.800 Ukrainian?

01:00:03.500 They'll be protected. The agreement will protect them.

01:00:06.060 The agreement, yeah, we're signing an agreement.

01:00:08.500 I just told you I don't think that's going to happen. And if that were going to happen,

01:00:15.360 I wouldn't make a deal. If I thought that was going to happen, I wouldn't make a deal.

01:00:18.300 Okay. If you don't think there's been other world leaders in the Oval with this president or our

01:00:26.840 others who wanted to shake their heads no while our president was making a point, they didn't,

01:00:32.140 they didn't agree at all, who wanted to say they attacked us. You don't think Netanyahu

01:00:36.220 would have liked to have said that to Biden? They attacked us. They attacked us in the middle of his

01:00:42.480 remarks, yes. But there's a diplomatic way of handling this. And instead, the left would just like to

01:00:47.620 blame Donald Trump. They don't want to acknowledge any of these minor and then cumulative serious

01:00:54.760 provocations and antagonistic behaviors. These were just the gestures that we saw

01:01:01.580 when Zelensky was on camera. We didn't see the whole, you know, we didn't see anything that happened

01:01:06.200 when he was off cam. There very well may have been more that Vice President Vance and other officials

01:01:12.660 in that room witnessed. And when the big blow up happened, Mr. Zelensky also addressed in that

01:01:18.820 critical moment as the tension was building, Vice President Vance using only his first name saying,

01:01:25.120 what kind of diplomacy, JD, are you speaking about? It was an informality that could be used in a warmer

01:01:32.700 moment. Like JD and I had lunch and really made a lot of progress. That wouldn't be totally out of line.

01:01:39.440 But in a moment that is tense and in which you can feel there's an argumentative dynamic,

01:01:47.780 you don't address the sitting American Vice President as JD. It felt disrespectful to a lot

01:01:56.380 of Americans. And then came the moment seen around the world.

01:02:01.000 What kind of diplomacy, JD, you are speaking about? What do you mean?

01:02:06.300 I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country.

01:02:10.500 Yes, but if you are not strong. Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you

01:02:14.420 to come into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in front of the American media.

01:02:17.520 First of all, during the war, everybody has problems. Even you. But you have nice ocean and

01:02:24.020 don't feel now. But you will feel it in the future. God bless.

01:02:28.320 You don't know that.

01:02:28.920 God bless. God bless. You will not have the war.

01:02:31.800 Don't tell us what we're going to feel.

01:02:33.380 You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel.

01:02:38.220 We're going to feel very good.

01:02:39.580 You will feel influence.

01:02:40.320 We're going to feel very good and very strong.

01:02:42.760 You will feel influence.

01:02:43.920 You're right now not in a very good position.

01:02:46.240 You're gambling with World War III.

01:02:48.620 What are you thinking about?

01:02:49.040 You're gambling with World War III.

01:02:51.380 And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country.

01:02:57.040 I'm with all respect to you.

01:02:58.620 It's back to you.

01:02:58.640 Far more than a lot of people said they should have.

01:03:01.440 Have you said thank you once?

01:03:02.980 A lot of times.

01:03:04.120 No.

01:03:04.460 Even today.

01:03:05.280 Even today.

01:03:05.400 You said thank you.

01:03:05.960 Even today.

01:03:06.700 You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October.

01:03:10.840 Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president

01:03:15.260 who's trying to save your country.

01:03:17.860 We are staying in our country, staying strong from the very beginning of the war.

01:03:22.100 We've been alone.

01:03:23.260 And we are thankful.

01:03:24.220 I said thanks in this cabinet.

01:03:26.360 You haven't been alone.

01:03:26.800 In this cabinet.

01:03:27.380 We gave you, through the stupid president, $350 billion.

01:03:31.840 We gave you military equipment.

01:03:34.080 And you men are brave, but they had to use our military.

01:03:37.040 If you didn't have our military equipment, if you didn't have our military equipment,

01:03:43.220 this war would have been over in two weeks.

01:03:45.660 In three days.

01:03:46.580 I heard it from Putin.

01:03:47.680 In three days.

01:03:48.960 This is something new.

01:03:49.440 Maybe less.

01:03:50.180 In two weeks.

01:03:50.960 Of course, yes.

01:03:51.800 It's going to be a very hard thing to do business.

01:03:53.980 That was with Obama, who gave you sheets.

01:03:56.020 And I gave you javelins.

01:03:57.540 Yes.

01:03:57.900 I gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks.

01:04:01.140 Obama gave you sheets.

01:04:03.500 In fact, the statement is, Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins.

01:04:08.800 You got to be more thankful.

01:04:11.000 Because let me tell you, you don't have the cards.

01:04:13.200 With us, you have the cards.

01:04:15.460 But without us, you don't have any cards.

01:04:17.680 It's so interesting because Trump held his fire until Zelensky suggested that the United

01:04:25.920 States was under threat.

01:04:27.360 And Trump was not going to let Americans sit at home and be told by the Ukrainian leader

01:04:32.640 that we were next.

01:04:34.660 And honestly, that's when Big Daddy got in there and he was like, oh, no, now it's on.

01:04:38.900 That's when Trump got mad.

01:04:40.360 You could feel it.

01:04:41.480 Zelensky said there, you don't feel it now, but you will feel it in the future.

01:04:45.100 And Trump was like, you don't tell us that.

01:04:47.880 You're in no position to be speaking to that.

01:04:50.560 None whatsoever.

01:04:51.180 And then you have the nerve of Zelensky when Trump eventually starts interrupting him back

01:04:56.080 going, you invited me here to speak.

01:04:58.140 What?

01:04:58.840 What?

01:05:00.240 He sat there.

01:05:01.260 He let you interrupt him repeatedly.

01:05:03.100 Only when you suggested America is going to come under threat did Trump stand up and

01:05:08.440 say, now I'm drawing the line.

01:05:10.580 Now you're done.

01:05:12.080 Now I am going to do the talking.

01:05:13.880 So why would Mr. Zelensky travel all the way to Washington to go to the White House

01:05:19.600 and try to publicly own the leader of the free world?

01:05:24.360 Right.

01:05:24.760 Why?

01:05:25.520 Why would he have handled it this way?

01:05:28.980 Well, perhaps we need look no further than the Democratic senators with whom Mr. Zelensky

01:05:34.140 met before he went to the White House.

01:05:37.080 And I mean, within the hour.

01:05:39.280 Take a listen to Arizona Senator Mark Kelly talk about what he told Zelensky.

01:05:44.160 Within the hour of that meeting we just witnessed in the White House.

01:05:49.160 Hey, folks, just met with President Zelensky a little while ago, told him how I feel the

01:05:54.800 American people are really behind him in this struggle.

01:05:57.340 And Russia brutally invaded Ukraine and Putin is a war criminal, should be in prison.

01:06:06.160 I also told him I'm a little uncomfortable that this is now appears to be like sort of

01:06:10.440 a business transaction.

01:06:11.360 But at the same time, Zelensky needs to do what is in the best interest of his country

01:06:16.600 and his people.

01:06:18.720 OK, so that doesn't sound very positive about the deal, does it?

01:06:21.600 I'm uncomfortable.

01:06:22.340 It's been reduced to a business transaction.

01:06:24.840 Just a little needling.

01:06:25.960 I'm uncomfortable and we're all on your side and Putin should be in jail and you should

01:06:30.900 do what's in the best interest of the Ukrainian people.

01:06:34.140 Democratic Senator of Connecticut, Chris Murphy, too, posted on X.

01:06:38.060 Now, keep in mind, he did this at 1115 on Friday morning before the meeting, before the

01:06:41.760 meeting and before the blow up.

01:06:43.300 He was so proud of himself.

01:06:44.580 He posted on X Friday morning, quote, just finished meeting with President Zelensky.

01:06:49.580 He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin

01:06:55.740 gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine.

01:07:00.800 You see what he did.

01:07:05.560 His post accompanied a picture of Zelensky at a conference table with, oh, who's that

01:07:09.040 across from him?

01:07:09.700 It's Senator Murphy who's right across from him.

01:07:12.040 This was within one hour of Zelensky's White House meeting, as I said.

01:07:16.120 As I pointed out on X yesterday, it would appear that here's what happened.

01:07:19.280 The Democrats bashed the two phase deal Trump was arranging of one, a financial agreement

01:07:26.100 and then two, a ceasefire deal as, quote, a fake peace agreement with, quote, no security

01:07:33.760 arrangements to Mr. Zelensky right before he went to the White House.

01:07:37.720 It's fake.

01:07:39.100 There's no security arrangements.

01:07:41.060 It's a business deal.

01:07:42.600 I'm uncomfortable with it.

01:07:44.280 I want assurances, I guess, in Chris Murphy's case that that the people that you're not going

01:07:48.420 to sign it, and then he went to the White House to sign what was clearly phase one.

01:07:54.220 No, it wasn't the ultimate ceasefire.

01:07:55.660 It wasn't the security arrangement deal.

01:07:57.380 It was the first part of it, which was the minerals deal, which is the thing that Trump

01:08:01.200 has been saying all along will be, in essence, a form of U.S. security, because if we're

01:08:06.180 investing hundreds of billions of dollars trying to extract these raw earth materials

01:08:10.360 from Ukraine, his theory is that Vladimir Putin will not mess with Ukraine.

01:08:14.440 He'll be messing with our interests.

01:08:16.000 And then when it comes to boots on the ground, the Europeans are going to speak to that in

01:08:20.420 phase two of this deal.

01:08:22.100 But it was shat all over by Chris Murphy and others.

01:08:26.240 And then when President Trump and his vice president, J.D. Vance, called out his grandstanding

01:08:30.560 and disrespect, Zelensky's, all hell broke loose.

01:08:34.360 And the Democrats now, that it devolved to a fight, have reverted to their tried and true

01:08:40.480 accusation that Trump is no more than Putin's puppet, that this whole thing was an ambush

01:08:46.480 by Trump of Zelensky because he wants to do the bidding of Vladimir Putin.

01:08:54.520 And here's one other thing.

01:08:55.900 So Chris Murphy today is very upset.

01:08:59.220 I bet he wishes he hadn't sent out that tweet.

01:09:01.700 He didn't know it was going to happen and that he would later see it as a great way

01:09:07.120 to blame Trump for being a Putin puppet again, who sabotaged poor Zelensky.

01:09:13.120 You see, the problem is he already had gone on record as saying what he said in that tweet

01:09:17.720 we just put out.

01:09:18.700 And now he's all over X trying to do one of these.

01:09:22.840 He claims he's now the victim of a MAGA smear.

01:09:30.300 Over the last 24 hours, MAGA has been ceaselessly spreading the claim that Democrats, from Susan

01:09:35.060 Rice to Tony Blinken to me, pushed Zelensky to reject the minerals deal.

01:09:41.000 Total lie made up out of thin air, zero sources.

01:09:44.720 A short lesson in how these lies spread in MAGA world.

01:09:47.620 Not entirely clear where it started, but the source looks like it might be from a totally

01:09:50.820 random MAGA user who says she is just speculating that Blinken, Rice, Newland, and Vindman had

01:09:55.600 a conference call with Zelensky, just a MAGA troll making up shit in their basement.

01:09:59.320 I don't know anything about that.

01:10:00.140 I know what you tweeted, though, sir.

01:10:02.480 Anchor, another source, seems to be this New York Post columnist who wildly twists my post

01:10:08.580 about Zelensky's well-known opposition to a bad ceasefire deal into a claim that Democrats

01:10:13.700 advised him to reject the mineral deal.

01:10:17.540 Totally false, zero regard for tactics.

01:10:19.360 You made clear, though, sir, you made clear that you got him to confirm to you that the

01:10:27.600 Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants

01:10:33.400 and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine.

01:10:36.180 He's pretending in that post that what was supposed to happen this past Friday was not

01:10:40.200 part of it.

01:10:41.260 It was very clearly phase one.

01:10:43.080 It was the most the United States is willing to do.

01:10:46.840 No, Zelensky went in there.

01:10:49.080 And what did he bitch about?

01:10:50.800 Did he bitch about the minerals deal?

01:10:52.600 No, he kept hammering Trump on security.

01:10:56.520 I need security arrangements because Putin's going to betray the deal, just like he did all

01:11:01.940 those other times.

01:11:02.940 I have something to tell you.

01:11:04.040 That was not the day for that argument.

01:11:06.520 We should have taken step one of the diplomatic arrangement.

01:11:09.160 Get the minerals deal in place.

01:11:11.580 Step two, we can argue about security and the Europeans are going to have to step it up.

01:11:15.960 That's what Trump's been saying all along from the start.

01:11:18.740 But who primed him to go in there and try to queer the deal over step two, which we are not at yet.

01:11:25.320 It was you, Senator Murphy, and your Democratic friends.

01:11:29.440 How do I know that?

01:11:30.360 Not from some random Twitter account.

01:11:32.580 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:11:33.700 I didn't see that at all from you, sir.

01:11:37.240 You put it out there before you knew that it was result in a story that would be covered around

01:11:43.220 the world and your dirty hands would be obvious for all of us to see.

01:11:48.040 Back with me now.

01:11:48.860 The Daily Wire is Andrew Klavan.

01:11:50.500 Andrew, your thoughts on it all.

01:11:52.680 Well, first of all, that was an excellent analysis.

01:11:54.840 I mean, the the old media has been depending on the fact that most people are going to watch

01:11:59.340 the 10 minutes of fireworks at the end of the conversation in which you couldn't really

01:12:03.700 tell who started it all.

01:12:04.920 But it was absolutely clear if you watched all 40 minutes of it that it was Zelensky who

01:12:09.360 was looking for a fight and he got one.

01:12:11.320 And what this was, I think, is an error cascade.

01:12:13.760 The Democrats think they still have the media firepower to convince America to spend its fortune

01:12:19.100 in a war that never ends.

01:12:21.940 And Zelensky made the mistake of believing the Democrats, believing the Democrats were still

01:12:26.260 going to be able to move the people to make Trump back down.

01:12:29.720 And I don't think that's going to happen.

01:12:31.240 The two questions, the two questions that the old media never, ever asks themselves is

01:12:36.280 what is Trump doing and is it possible that he's right and everybody around him is wrong

01:12:41.360 and the old experts are wrong?

01:12:43.040 And I think Trump is doing something very, very specific.

01:12:46.080 Trump is a guy who sees things in total.

01:12:49.160 He's a everybody says he's a gut politician, but he's really a gestalt politician.

01:12:52.880 He's a guy who can feel the room in a big way and he's not actually parsing things.

01:12:57.480 And sometimes he doesn't always express himself clearly as to what he's doing.

01:13:00.580 And maybe he doesn't always see entirely what he's doing.

01:13:03.020 But the big thing in Trump's mind always, I believe, is China.

01:13:06.820 And they keep the intelligence services and the newspapers who serve them keep pushing

01:13:11.580 Russia on us as our major threat.

01:13:13.300 Russia is essentially zero threat to the United States of America.

01:13:16.840 China is a huge threat to the United States of America.

01:13:19.400 They've infiltrated every level of our society, Hollywood, the news media, the politicians.

01:13:25.020 They are and academia as well.

01:13:27.560 They're stealing our goods.

01:13:28.760 They're stealing our ideas.

01:13:29.940 And they're building a military first to invade Taiwan, which would be a financial economic

01:13:35.000 disaster for the United States.

01:13:36.600 And ultimately, I think they want to challenge us and challenge our supremacy in the world.

01:13:40.420 And that's what Trump is thinking about.

01:13:42.040 So he's got a deal that's really actually kind of brilliant.

01:13:45.420 He's separating Putin from China.

01:13:47.220 They're supposed to be the good friends.

01:13:48.920 And Putin's a smart guy.

01:13:50.060 He understands he's a bad guy, but he's a smart guy.

01:13:52.400 He understands that China is just going to eat him last.

01:13:54.940 They're not making any real deals with him where the United States is not going to eat

01:13:57.720 him.

01:13:57.840 We don't eat other countries.

01:13:59.260 He can actually do well befriending the United States insofar as that's in his interest.

01:14:04.420 And and they don't they don't understand.

01:14:06.120 Then he's going to take this this mineral deal with Zelensky, which is going to make up for

01:14:11.200 the fact a little bit that Taiwan is our source of these rare minerals.

01:14:15.320 Right. And so if China actually blocks Taiwan, we won't have them.

01:14:18.760 So he's actually setting that up.

01:14:20.040 Trump is actually setting that up in advance, which gives Zelensky the security guarantees

01:14:24.140 that he needs, because if we're in there, we are going to fight to defend the country.

01:14:28.880 So all of that was actually, I think, a brilliant long term plan.

01:14:32.960 We're not the country we were in 1945.

01:14:35.360 In 1945, our enemies were shattered and our allies were also our competitors were actually

01:14:42.600 blown out of the game by the by World War Two.

01:14:45.620 We were the king, the dog.

01:14:47.040 We were the king dog in that world.

01:14:49.100 But now we're in debt.

01:14:50.600 We've been riddled with socialist ideas that have weakened us.

01:14:53.600 We've been riddled with my unsuppressed migration that's weakened us.

01:14:57.140 And Trump knows it.

01:14:58.440 And what Trump is trying to do is he's trying to pull back on our obligations, cut spending

01:15:02.960 over here through Doge and also hopefully eventually through, you know, through other means

01:15:08.220 and and get ourself back in a situation where we're no longer spending more servicing our

01:15:13.980 debt than we are spending on our military.

01:15:16.280 At that point, he can start to stand up to China right now.

01:15:19.800 He's kind of being nice to China because he doesn't want to start a start a fight.

01:15:22.900 But ultimately, his plan is to block China from taking over this country and taking away

01:15:27.640 the American supremacy that has kept the peace below these many years.

01:15:31.740 So Trump is actually way, way ahead, I think, of people in the State Department and certainly

01:15:35.800 people in the news media who are not just fools, but also corrupt.

01:15:40.680 There may well have been a plan to blow this meeting up, but it was on Zelensky's side,

01:15:45.700 not on Trump's.

01:15:46.660 Zelensky thinks that Trump will back down and continue to support this war.

01:15:50.380 I don't believe it.

01:15:51.140 And if Trump does pull his support, Zelensky is going to be gone in a couple of days.

01:15:55.340 I love hearing Keir Starmer, the PM in Britain, saying, you know, we're going to form a coalition

01:16:00.460 of the willing and we're going to put boots on the ground.

01:16:02.880 Boots are all they've got in England.

01:16:04.040 Their entire military is the size of our Marine force.

01:16:07.540 They're not going anywhere.

01:16:08.540 You know, they're not going to do anything that's going to help Zelensky over the long

01:16:11.640 term.

01:16:12.420 America can help them help them if we have, you know, skin in the game, if we have that

01:16:17.900 rare mineral deal.

01:16:19.260 This this was this reminds me a little bit of Reykjavik, Reagan and Reykjavik, when he

01:16:23.380 walked away from the meeting with Gorbachev and everything, he said he's causing World War

01:16:27.000 Three.

01:16:27.320 And in fact, he was stopping World War Three and winning the Cold War in that minute.

01:16:31.100 I think I looked at this the minute this happened, I cracked up.

01:16:35.280 I actually laughed out loud because I could tell you word for word what the media was

01:16:39.400 going to say.

01:16:40.160 And I'm willing to bet cash money that Trump's popularity rating goes up significantly in

01:16:46.340 the wake of this.

01:16:47.100 We are so tired of being everybody's daddy.

01:16:49.440 We're so tired of paying for you to borrow the car.

01:16:52.560 But when you break the car, we have to pay for that, too.

01:16:54.600 We're so tired of not being thanked for the peace we have kept in the world and and being

01:16:59.780 dissed by Europe, who just sits there doing nothing to help themselves.

01:17:03.160 The other aspect of Trump's plan is to get Europe to start to pay for its own defense.

01:17:08.220 All their wonderful welfare programs, their free health care and all that they're paid

01:17:11.500 for by us because we pay for their defense.

01:17:13.840 If they have to pay for their defense, that also makes us stronger because then we have

01:17:18.080 an alliance that can stand up to China when they come.

01:17:20.820 None of this about Russia is about Russia.

01:17:22.460 Russia is a spent force.

01:17:23.980 It's a paper tiger.

01:17:25.380 It's all about China.

01:17:26.660 And Trump is doing exactly, I think, the right thing in trying to make a deal and get out

01:17:31.560 of it.

01:17:31.820 And just one last thing is any president, Biden, whatever that woman's name was who ran for

01:17:36.920 president, any president was going to give Putin some of what he wanted because he's just

01:17:44.400 more powerful than than Ukraine.

01:17:46.540 It's what we're doing here is cutting losses.

01:17:48.980 No one's walking away a winner.

01:17:50.620 Russia's suffered a lot, too.

01:17:52.540 They've had a lot of losses.

01:17:53.520 I'm not saying that it's not a serious thing to have Ukraine having given up part of its

01:17:58.520 country.

01:17:59.120 But this is a long, complicated relationship between these two.

01:18:02.800 And the United States has been meddling over in Ukraine for the better part of a decade.

01:18:07.300 And what Trump is trying to do is just stop that and say, we're out.

01:18:10.680 We're not doing that anymore.

01:18:11.700 And we need to cut the losses.

01:18:13.080 We're not going to keep funding a war that's going nowhere.

01:18:15.960 That's just it's about a body count.

01:18:18.380 We're out like you need to be out.

01:18:20.300 I hate to bring you this reality, but you're not going to get your the parts of your country

01:18:24.680 back that Putin took.

01:18:26.460 And we're not going to have some, you know, amazing deal where you feel really satisfied.

01:18:32.060 What we can do is help rebuild Ukraine by our economic investment.

01:18:35.540 And the Europeans say that they will provide a security force to help deter Putin.

01:18:40.360 And Zelensky is not satisfied with it.

01:18:41.840 Well, that's the deal you have.

01:18:43.640 That's that's what we're willing to offer.

01:18:45.160 So a couple of things on what you said, one, there was a poll.

01:18:49.000 Our pal Mark Halperin, he put out a poll with hold on a second.

01:18:56.120 I'm trying to find WIC.

01:18:58.280 Yeah, with WIC.

01:18:59.580 And where is that in my packet?

01:19:01.300 And in any event, it showed a serious support for the way Trump handled himself there.

01:19:08.380 They believe that Trump comported himself well and they were not with Zelensky.

01:19:13.940 I think it was 47 to 38 in Trump's favor and the way people reacted to how that went down.

01:19:20.720 And then secondly, so it's not just about Chris Murphy because there were other Democrats in

01:19:24.600 that meeting, too.

01:19:25.080 But he's just this the smarmiest one because there he was like, look at me.

01:19:29.720 I told him like this deal effing sucks.

01:19:32.340 You know, you I want an assurance that the Ukrainian people and you are not going to support it,

01:19:36.220 you know, and and he calls it the peace deal.

01:19:38.520 OK, so he's not talking about the minerals deal.

01:19:40.120 Well, it was all part of the same journey.

01:19:42.320 It's it's a package.

01:19:44.380 So then he realizes, oh, wow, there's a big fight in the Oval and I can just blame that

01:19:47.660 all on Trump and I'm going to accuse him of an ambush.

01:19:49.860 And that's even worse for Trump.

01:19:51.080 That's better now.

01:19:52.040 But shit, I wish I hadn't sent out that tweet.

01:19:54.460 Wish I hadn't sent that out.

01:19:55.560 Oh, no, this is a magus smear.

01:19:57.740 And so what he does on Friday after the blow up is it goes to X.

01:20:01.560 He writes this.

01:20:02.620 What just happened in the Oval was a planned ambush, right?

01:20:06.420 Bland ambush.

01:20:07.500 He had no role in torquing up Zelensky or getting him to a place where he knew he had

01:20:12.000 to go in there and throw down.

01:20:14.360 This is a bad deal designated to help a brutal Russian dictator.

01:20:19.320 OK, and then he goes on CNN's Sunday show.

01:20:22.680 And now he's really worked himself up into a lather talking about Russia, Russia, Russia,

01:20:30.260 Putin, Putin, Putin, Trump.

01:20:32.040 Same person, sat 23.

01:20:36.220 It is absolutely shameful what is happening right now.

01:20:39.260 The White House has become an arm of the Kremlin.

01:20:42.720 And the entire pretext for that meeting yesterday was an attempt to rewrite history in order

01:20:48.940 to sign a deal with Putin that hands Putin Ukraine.

01:20:53.560 Donald Trump wants us to have our closest relationships with despots all around the world because that

01:20:59.080 makes it easier for him to transition America into a kleptocratic oligarchy where Elon Musk

01:21:07.480 and Donald Trump rule and steal from the American people.

01:21:12.580 The balls.

01:21:14.180 I mean, honestly, the nerve of this guy.

01:21:17.080 You know, it's funny.

01:21:20.020 Every president blames the prior president for his troubles.

01:21:22.940 But if ever Trump said something that was 100 percent true is this war would not have

01:21:26.820 started if he had been president.

01:21:28.560 That is absolutely the case.

01:21:30.300 You remember Joe Biden saying, you know, well, a little incursion wouldn't be such a bad thing.

01:21:34.860 And of course, his retreat from Afghanistan and chaos obviously encouraged Putin to do what

01:21:41.200 he was going to do.

01:21:43.360 Everything, you know, it's just amazing to me that everybody in the press, and it's not just

01:21:50.240 the left wing press, nobody, nobody ever gives Trump the benefit of the doubt, the simple benefit

01:21:55.320 of the doubt.

01:21:55.840 You know, Barack Obama blamed George W. Bush for all his problems for eight years.

01:22:02.120 It's what is it?

01:22:02.780 It's 38, 39 days since Trump became president.

01:22:05.200 And suddenly we're blaming him for a war that started on Biden's watch.

01:22:08.580 It's absolutely ridiculous.

01:22:10.020 And there's other idea that somehow we're going to be friends.

01:22:13.580 You know, they keep comparing it to Yalta.

01:22:15.080 They keep comparing it after World War II.

01:22:16.680 We divvied up the world and the Soviet Union got Eastern Europe and how unfair that all

01:22:21.420 was.

01:22:21.660 But you have to remember that we needed the Soviet Union as an ally to defeat the Nazis.

01:22:27.020 And now it would be helpful if Russia were on our side instead of on China's side, because

01:22:31.320 China is a serious, serious threat.

01:22:33.840 And Russia is not.

01:22:34.700 Russia is not going to suddenly march on Washington.

01:22:37.320 China could do exactly that.

01:22:38.860 They could exactly really tie us up both financially, both economically and militarily.

01:22:44.680 I mean, one of their shipyards can build as many ships as all of our shipyards put together.

01:22:50.040 They are ramping up and we are on our back heels, you know, and this is just the truth.

01:22:55.380 And Trump is thinking about that truth.

01:22:57.220 And these guys aren't.

01:22:58.220 And the Democrats, when on earth have the Democrats ever been the supporters of America in these

01:23:05.360 little wars that take place?

01:23:06.960 It's, you know, we won in Vietnam.

01:23:09.000 They lost Vietnam.

01:23:10.100 We won in Iraq.

01:23:11.360 They lost Iraq.

01:23:12.480 You know, they keep giving up the things that we win.

01:23:15.100 Trump was five minutes away from signing a deal that would have put this thing to bed.

01:23:20.040 With everybody, like a good deal, everybody would have been a little bit dissatisfied.

01:23:23.440 But he didn't start the war.

01:23:24.820 He was just going to end it.

01:23:25.940 And Zelensky blew it up.

01:23:27.120 Not Trump.

01:23:27.600 Why would Trump?

01:23:28.160 Well, and you know, the other thing, Andrew, is the reports are that Trump was actually in

01:23:32.340 a great mood that day.

01:23:33.620 He was excited to be signing this minerals deal with Zelensky.

01:23:37.100 He really does believe this is the first step toward peace.

01:23:40.060 And Trump has been the opposite of a warmonger his entire life.

01:23:44.160 I believe Trump is 100 percent sincere in wanting this thing to end.

01:23:48.160 And the left says, oh, it's a surrender.

01:23:50.180 And by surrender, it's it's cutting the losses.

01:23:52.360 The thing is going nowhere.

01:23:54.580 If it goes on, there's absolutely no reason to think Ukrainian the Ukrainians will do any

01:23:59.000 better than they've done unless we dump trillions on them.

01:24:03.180 Sure.

01:24:03.420 I suppose we could dump trillions and turn this thing around for them.

01:24:06.760 There's not a single American other than, you know, some lunatic on the far left that

01:24:11.260 wants to do that.

01:24:11.980 So that's not going to happen.

01:24:13.120 So it's cutting losses.

01:24:13.920 So anyway, Trump reportedly was very happy on Friday when Zelensky was coming.

01:24:17.920 He was looking forward to signing the deal and really thought he was going to have a

01:24:20.940 great, you know, PR weekend.

01:24:22.860 He wasn't ambushing this guy.

01:24:24.980 You wouldn't know that if you listened to the soundbite I played at the top.

01:24:29.000 And then here's a little bit more from the left wing reaction over the past two days.

01:24:32.740 Listen.

01:24:34.580 It was like maybe when you were two years old and you got in trouble for putting your hand

01:24:39.040 in the cookie jar, you know, it's like, oh, you didn't thank your parents enough for

01:24:42.680 raising you.

01:24:43.460 I think that this was staged.

01:24:45.180 Forgive us, President Zelensky, for having inflicted this idiot animal Trump upon you

01:24:53.020 and for permitting him and his little worthless idiot bitch Vance to ambush you.

01:24:59.880 Trump must now lose power.

01:25:01.740 That boy, right.

01:25:02.700 What was the cause of that?

01:25:04.100 It could be a combination of being a fat fucking slob.

01:25:09.480 It could be that he's can't sleep at night because his beached whale body can't allow the

01:25:20.060 circulation it needs.

01:25:21.160 I think we should revisit the possibility of a syphilis diagnosis.

01:25:25.940 Um, OK, so it's syphilis.

01:25:35.620 I don't know that it's Trump's weight.

01:25:37.820 He's a fucker.

01:25:38.960 And there's I mean, for some reason, CNN thought we really wanted to hear from former Fox and

01:25:43.660 Friends anchor and Miss America 1986 Gretchen Carlson with her belief that this was an ambush.

01:25:50.740 Who gives a flying fig what she thinks about this?

01:25:55.200 These guys do not have not figured out yet that we have the capability to expose them in real time.

01:26:01.180 They have not figured it out.

01:26:02.620 They think they can lie.

01:26:04.080 Jake Tapper is writing a book about the cover up of Biden's mental state when Jake Tapper was one of

01:26:10.640 the people who covered it up.

01:26:11.860 You think they think we can't see them?

01:26:13.640 They don't understand that the news media, we do not have the reporting power that they have yet.

01:26:18.960 I mean, the New York Times has more reporting power than all of us put together.

01:26:22.180 But we do have the power to expose them in real time.

01:26:25.620 Why do you think they were investigating Elon Musk even before he became the doge master?

01:26:30.120 They were investigating him because by giving X, by giving people freedom to speak on X,

01:26:34.740 he was opening up our power to expose them.

01:26:37.080 We have exposed them.

01:26:38.040 That's why Trump won the election.

01:26:39.500 He would not have won the election if we didn't have that power.

01:26:41.740 And they don't understand that we have the receipts and we can get them to the American

01:26:46.240 people in real time.

01:26:48.120 That that's why they're telling Zelensky that don't worry, the American people are on our

01:26:53.020 side.

01:26:53.660 That ain't true because we can tell the American people the truth almost as fast as they can

01:26:58.920 lie.

01:26:59.560 And that is just a new thing.

01:27:01.340 That is an actual new development.

01:27:03.220 And they cannot accept it.

01:27:04.840 They don't get it.

01:27:05.560 That's why, you know, if you watch the Democrats, they're hilarious at this point.

01:27:08.960 They're out in the streets, you know, protesting the death of fraud.

01:27:12.660 You know, they're out.

01:27:13.160 What do we want?

01:27:13.800 Fraud?

01:27:14.360 When do we want it now?

01:27:15.460 They're doing these 1960s demonstrations on behalf of the CIA, on behalf of fraud and

01:27:22.520 expenditure and waste.

01:27:24.000 You know, it's just amazing.

01:27:25.240 They cannot understand yet that we can see them.

01:27:28.060 And one of the funny things is if you're in D.C., where I often am, you understand that

01:27:33.060 they're surrounded by this media bubble.

01:27:34.880 And it takes an effort of imagination to understand that the rest of us have broken free.

01:27:39.740 The rest of the country has actually broken out of that bubble.

01:27:42.300 We're not dependent on it.

01:27:43.620 We can see the truth on X.

01:27:45.100 We can find the truth on social media.

01:27:46.840 They just don't get it.

01:27:48.640 And I think actually that's the cause.

01:27:50.260 I think that that misunderstanding on the part of the left and the part of the Democrats,

01:27:53.940 that they have lost their media power, is the cause of what happened with Zelensky.

01:27:58.160 Because they told Zelensky they could take care of him.

01:28:00.520 They're going to make Trump back down.

01:28:01.920 And Zelensky believed him.

01:28:03.320 And I think that error cascade is what made him go into the Oval Office and blow up that

01:28:08.680 That's right.

01:28:09.020 If you can just get these critical facts in front of him, you know, just call him unfair.

01:28:12.680 Just like get these pictures in front of him and contradict him on his statements about

01:28:16.780 Europe.

01:28:17.480 You know, like just needle him about how he's been misled by Russian propaganda.

01:28:21.260 That'll do it.

01:28:21.960 These Democrats knew exactly, exactly how that would go over.

01:28:25.460 They primed the pump with this guy.

01:28:27.240 They got assurances from him about how he was never going to accept this deal in total.

01:28:32.360 And then when he went in there and did exactly what he was advised by his Democrat buddies to do,

01:28:36.860 things blew up.

01:28:38.340 Cue the Democrats running to the TV cameras on Sunday saying it was an ambush by Trump.

01:28:44.540 He was the person who set somebody up in that room, not Zelensky.

01:28:48.040 They're so disgusting and dishonest.

01:28:51.220 And by the way, that's why even if people didn't know all the back and forth, they knew

01:28:55.880 they didn't like what they saw.

01:28:57.460 Some 62% of those involved in that poll I mentioned between Halperin and Wick, 62% found

01:29:05.540 Zelensky's behavior offensive.

01:29:08.320 It ranged from slightly to very on the scale.

01:29:11.860 And 78% say they do support a negotiated peace deal.

01:29:18.160 That's a separate poll.

01:29:19.140 That's, um, uh, that's from Quinnipiac and Marquette, 70% support a peace deal and only

01:29:26.280 41% of the American population believes that our support for Ukraine is too much.

01:29:33.040 I mean, what I'm trying to say there is it used to be just 7%.

01:29:35.760 Now it's 41% believe we've gone too far for Ukraine.

01:29:38.960 My point is the support for this war is going like this.

01:29:41.380 A support for a peace settlement is going like this.

01:29:44.060 And by almost two thirds, the American populace believes Mr. Zelensky was rude and offensive

01:29:49.880 in that meeting.

01:29:50.720 So Trump is winning all his positions are spot on.

01:29:54.280 They line up with the mood of the American electorate, which is what he represents.

01:29:59.900 And this ambush, ambush, ambush is the new Russia, Russia, Russia.

01:30:04.380 It will fail.

01:30:05.640 We've got to take a quick break.

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01:32:11.820 Andrew, like a bad penny, another Andrew's back, a bad Andrew, Andrew Cuomo, just keeps

01:32:24.620 resurfacing.

01:32:26.460 And this time he wants us to make him New York City mayor, even though he's a disgusting,

01:32:32.920 terrible person who had a direct role in causing the deaths of some 8,000 New York nursing home

01:32:40.140 patients, thanks to his order that required the nursing homes to take COVID positive patients

01:32:46.200 without doing any testing.

01:32:47.900 He took the sickest and put them right in the heart of the most vulnerable populations

01:32:53.320 of New York.

01:32:55.500 And people did die.

01:32:57.060 And in my opinion, that is squarely on him.

01:32:59.720 And then he undercounted the number of dead in New York nursing homes by at least half

01:33:05.660 to cover up the numbers.

01:33:08.060 Why?

01:33:08.700 Because his political ambitions saw him in his own mind becoming the next president of

01:33:13.960 the United States.

01:33:15.520 And amazingly, that scandal did not tank him, nor did the fact that he closed New York City

01:33:20.080 schools for a year, New York schools for a year, nor did the fact that he went soft on

01:33:25.680 crime or ban fracking, did not do him.

01:33:28.400 What doomed him was the Me Too allegations that came up against him after all this.

01:33:34.180 Really, it was just the straw that broke the camel's back when some 11 or 12 women went

01:33:38.800 on the record saying he'd felt them up or behaved inappropriately with them.

01:33:42.560 And Letitia James, the New York AG, came in and said, it's real.

01:33:46.600 He's got a serious problem.

01:33:48.160 And then he tried to tell us it all was because he's an Italian.

01:33:51.200 He's an Italian.

01:33:51.980 And I'm here to tell you that my pop-up was 100% Italian.

01:33:56.820 Now, my mom's 50% Italian, and I'm 25% Italian.

01:34:00.200 And being Italian does not make you feel people up inappropriately or behave inappropriately

01:34:05.200 at work.

01:34:05.560 I'm just going to tell you right now, I know this.

01:34:07.160 I mean, my pop-up never touched a woman inappropriately.

01:34:09.920 Andrew, he was a great Italian.

01:34:12.340 And screw you for disparaging my people in this way and for thinking you can come back

01:34:18.400 and we need you.

01:34:19.200 Is this the best we can do for New York City, Andrew?

01:34:22.420 It's an amazing thing that people like Anthony Weiner ran for mayor of New York.

01:34:26.780 It's amazing the people who run for a city that is basically owned by the Democrats.

01:34:31.580 It's kind of like what's happening in California where Gavin Newsom's polls remain high.

01:34:36.580 No matter what he does to that state, he drives it into the ground.

01:34:39.880 And Gavin Newsom still is getting good polls.

01:34:42.300 Andrew Cuomo was a terrible governor.

01:34:44.580 He's a terrible human being.

01:34:45.840 I hear from everybody I know who covers him.

01:34:48.640 He not only did, you know, as you say, take action that resulted in the deaths of all

01:34:54.620 those older people in their homes.

01:34:57.340 He also said things during the pandemic that really should come back to haunt him.

01:35:02.560 And I hope they do.

01:35:03.700 I mean, stuff like when he said, oh, there's nothing worse than death.

01:35:07.640 You know, the alternative to closing everything down, to masking everybody, to making people

01:35:12.520 get carded.

01:35:12.920 I was in New York where you had to get carded to get into a restaurant and prove you'd had

01:35:16.660 the vaccine.

01:35:18.160 And you have to do that because the alternative to death and what can be more than death.

01:35:21.380 And I thought dishonor, you know, not being free.

01:35:23.680 There are a lot of things that are worse than death.

01:35:25.140 I mean, death is bad, but it's not the worst thing.

01:35:27.640 Living in disgrace is another thing that's bad.

01:35:30.280 He also said at one point, and this is if I were a Democrat, this is a I mean, if I were

01:35:35.560 a Republican, this is a video I would run forever.

01:35:38.040 When Trump said, make America great again, he made a speech in which he said, America

01:35:41.800 was never great.

01:35:42.880 It was never that great.

01:35:44.180 You know what?

01:35:45.180 Oh, my God.

01:35:45.900 We were terrible.

01:35:46.720 We were racist.

01:35:47.500 We were sexist.

01:35:48.200 We were all these terrible things.

01:35:49.160 It was never great.

01:35:50.140 I would play that over and over again because people who feel that way, they are entitled

01:35:53.580 to their opinion, but they should not be governing the country at any level.

01:35:57.280 People who do not love this country should not be governing the country at any level.

01:36:01.460 It's the thing that absolutely baffles me about Democrats.

01:36:04.900 When you let people pour across the border, nobody seems to ask them, who benefits from

01:36:10.080 this?

01:36:10.620 What what American benefits from people pouring across the government, the border like that?

01:36:15.820 It's like they do not care about the people who hire them, the people who are supposed to

01:36:20.120 be their concern and in their care.

01:36:22.660 They do not care.

01:36:23.440 And Cuomo is just like that.

01:36:25.360 The real problem New York has is that the Republicans have never bothered to build a structure

01:36:32.340 that can take them on.

01:36:33.920 So it's always like one guy, Lee Zeldin, somebody kind of trying to break through without the

01:36:39.780 support of the Republican Party, because Republicans, as we know, have a tendency to give up when

01:36:44.020 the going gets tough.

01:36:45.140 The minute things look hard, oh, we'll never win back California.

01:36:48.440 We'll never win back New York.

01:36:50.160 But in fact, the last time New York was in this kind of descending state the way it is

01:36:55.240 now, you know, Rudy Giuliani took the city over and was one of the great mayor, probably

01:36:59.720 the greatest mayor of the city ever had.

01:37:01.340 And that can happen again if the Republicans get their act together and if they find a

01:37:05.840 candidate.

01:37:06.200 As the old saying goes, you can't beat someone with no one.

01:37:09.500 I think Andrew Cuomo is finished.

01:37:10.900 I'm sorry he got me to because he deserved he deserved to be taken out for a million other

01:37:15.940 reasons.

01:37:16.700 He and I know he did.

01:37:17.780 I mean, that nursing home scandal.

01:37:18.920 That's what had Janice Dean, you know, so up in arms for years.

01:37:22.420 And it's because her husband's parents were both killed in New York nursing rooms by COVID.

01:37:29.540 And they went in two and a half weeks before this order.

01:37:33.800 There's Sean Newman with his parents, who I knew personally, and I know Janice and Sean

01:37:37.940 very, very well.

01:37:39.060 I mean, she's one of my closest friends.

01:37:40.220 And he is the dearest, most wonderful guy you will ever meet in your life.

01:37:46.720 And he wrote a letter to his to his fireman union and went off on this.

01:37:56.140 I mean, I'm very proud of him because Sean, unlike his wife, Janice is shy, like he's

01:38:00.180 reserved.

01:38:00.660 He's he doesn't not like being out there publicly.

01:38:02.900 He wants to fight fires.

01:38:03.800 And now he fights terrorism.

01:38:04.840 And that's what he wants to do.

01:38:06.320 But he is so pissed about Andrew Cuomo.

01:38:08.160 Please remember this, people.

01:38:09.440 When you are looking at Andrew Cuomo as the only name, you know, now trying to reinvent

01:38:13.500 himself as a moderate, which he's not.

01:38:15.900 And here's Sean telling his union, I want to express my opposition to Andrew Cuomo's candidacy

01:38:21.120 or any attempt by him to return to public office.

01:38:24.020 He calls him disgraced, says he's corrupt, dishonest, and uses well-known intimidation tactics

01:38:28.600 to get his way.

01:38:30.620 He goes on to talk about what happened with his parents being sent into the nursing

01:38:34.460 homes.

01:38:36.320 And it was just terrible timing.

01:38:38.260 And he said, we were very angry about that order, sending the COVID positive patients

01:38:41.860 into the nursing homes.

01:38:42.600 We were angry for the reasons that it was sent out, which was designed to be in the best

01:38:47.480 interest of health care executives and officials, not an aging population with compromised immune

01:38:52.820 systems.

01:38:53.700 These decisions were based on politics and exacting control on the population.

01:38:57.940 He points out we had the USS Comfort, that aircraft carrier, and the Javits Center totally

01:39:02.140 empty during the crisis.

01:39:03.140 They could have sent COVID positive patients there.

01:39:05.520 He didn't.

01:39:06.720 The hospitals were packed.

01:39:07.820 The nursing homes were packed.

01:39:09.620 Andrew Cuomo sent them into the nursing homes with the elderly population.

01:39:13.500 No satisfactory answer was ever given, he writes, why the Comfort and the Javits lay in disuse

01:39:17.940 during the worst pandemic in 100 years.

01:39:20.560 He had us all fooled in the beginning with his version of fireside chats, his daily pep talks

01:39:25.520 watched by the whole country.

01:39:26.800 He said, but this was not him leading in crisis.

01:39:30.640 It was to set up his next political leap, which was potentially as next president of the United

01:39:35.340 States if his true colors were not revealed.

01:39:37.960 With the death tolls still spiking, he thought the best use of his time and staff resources

01:39:42.440 was self-aggrandizement as he worked on a so-called leadership book during the pandemic and on the

01:39:49.500 public dime.

01:39:50.160 Just a reminder, his polls right now show him leading because of name recognition, but what

01:39:55.120 we've also seen, Andrew, is that when people are reminded of his dastardly deeds, they come

01:40:00.540 back down to earth and he is beatable.

01:40:03.880 I'll give you the last word.

01:40:05.540 Absolutely.

01:40:06.160 And he has no friends.

01:40:07.780 Letitia James didn't take him down because of her love for females, because she was protecting

01:40:13.220 women.

01:40:13.740 She took him down because she hated his guts.

01:40:15.380 They were like two scorpions in a bottle, the two of them.

01:40:18.440 And basically, that's the way everyone around him felt.

01:40:21.420 And ultimately, that comes back to bite you.

01:40:24.100 You know, you cannot run with you if you don't have the support of your party.

01:40:27.380 And Andrew Cuomo really does not have the support of anybody.

01:40:30.140 I'm not I'm not too worried about him, except Democrats in Democrat cities can take an awful

01:40:34.560 lot of punishment before they wake up.

01:40:37.360 I know.

01:40:37.860 I mean, in an era in which, you know, New York State moved more to the right, New York City

01:40:42.220 even moved a little bit more to the right with Trump, are they really going to take

01:40:46.200 Andrew Cuomo and his fake, reinvented, moderate shtick seriously?

01:40:51.780 I urge you not to do so.

01:40:54.000 We can do better than Andrew Cuomo.

01:40:55.780 I'll say this running for the Democratic primaries, this guy named Whitney Tilson.

01:41:00.480 And this is somebody who Bill Ackman has endorsed.

01:41:03.120 That's somebody that you could look at if you were a dem.

01:41:05.660 But do not look at Andrew Cuomo.

01:41:07.580 He is not the answer.

01:41:08.720 He is the problem.

01:41:10.240 Andrew, thank you.

01:41:10.960 Always wonderful to see you.

01:41:12.940 And tomorrow, our friends from the fifth column are here.

01:41:15.560 We'll see you then.

01:41:18.460 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 03, 2025

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