The Megyn Kelly Show - Social Justice Consequences and a Vaccine Injury Story, with Allie Beth Stuckey, Andrew Branca, and Kyle Warner

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.840 We've got a lot to get to today and I'm excited to do it.

00:00:18.080 In just a bit, I'm going to be joined by Kyle Warner.

00:00:20.220 He's a 29-year-old professional mountain bike racer who says he's been struggling for six months with adverse side effects from getting a second dose of the COVID vaccine.

00:00:28.960 He's going to detail his experience.

00:00:31.120 And then Allie Beth Stuckey is here with us.

00:00:33.460 We're excited to talk about Sam Franz, Mayor London Breed, doing a full 180 on her push to defund the police.

00:00:40.080 Guess how that worked out?

00:00:41.100 Yeah, you know the answer.

00:00:42.280 But we begin with Andrew Brenka.

00:00:44.120 He is an attorney.

00:00:45.220 He's the founder of Law of Self-Defense, and he works to help armed, law-abiding citizens make better and informed decisions.

00:00:52.400 He's been following, you remember him from the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.

00:00:54.520 Now he's been following the trial of former Minnesota police officer Kim Potter.

00:00:58.480 And he's here to detail the latest on that.

00:01:01.000 Andrew, you got Rittenhouse right, predicted accurately how it would turn out because you, unlike most, followed the facts and know the law.

00:01:08.280 How's it going in the case of Kim Potter?

00:01:10.360 Well, it's been a tough prosecution for the state, and they had a very, very, very bad morning this morning.

00:01:16.340 The defense finally got to present their case.

00:01:18.760 The state rested first thing this morning.

00:01:20.340 The defense first witness was their use of force expert, and this guy was a monster on the witness stand for the defense, especially compared to the relatively ineffectual use of force expert the state presented yesterday.

00:01:33.020 Hmm. Now, just to remind our audience, Kim Potter is the police officer in Minnesota who not long after George Floyd's death took out her what she thought was her taser, yelled taser, taser, taser, and shot Daunte Wright, killing him.

00:01:46.980 In fact, she had pulled out her firearm, and it was an obvious mistake.

00:01:51.700 No one's claiming, really, that it was anything other than a mistake.

00:01:54.740 It's just that the prosecution run by Keith Ellison, the AG of Minnesota, is trying to criminalize that mistake.

00:02:00.260 I've been following your coverage because it's always amazing.

00:02:04.320 Here's a couple of points I wrote down.

00:02:06.060 The prosecution's direct examinations were painfully and unnecessarily long, detailed, bookish.

00:02:13.780 The cross-examinations have been quick, pointed, effective, and merciful.

00:02:18.880 A jury can wind up holding that against lawyers or come to like the other lawyers better for not wasting their time.

00:02:25.000 Yeah, I think the difficulty for the state is they really don't have a case on the legal merits.

00:02:30.320 I mean, I think everyone would agree that Potter's conduct was negligent, which is civil liability, and she should lose her job and be sued and all that.

00:02:37.820 The question is, does it rise to criminal conduct?

00:02:40.380 And to be criminal, she would have to have intentionally ignored a risk of death that she was aware of.

00:02:46.500 That's what recklessness is.

00:02:47.780 That's what creates criminal culpability.

00:02:49.720 But all the evidence tells us she had no idea that was a gun in her hand.

00:02:53.380 She clearly believed it was a taser.

00:02:55.460 So she was not intentionally ignoring a risk.

00:02:58.600 Therefore, her conduct was not criminally reckless.

00:03:01.920 And that's a problem the state just has not been able to overcome.

00:03:05.220 So they've been saying a lot of words in their direct testimony, hours of it at a time from each witness, but none of it on the actual relevant legal question.

00:03:13.360 Hmm. The what's been stunning is it's it is going so poorly for the prosecution that now they were forced to file a motion to try to to ask for permission to impeach their own witnesses.

00:03:27.660 As you point out, the defense is just now starting its case.

00:03:30.020 So all of this happened during the prosecution's case where they put on Kim Potter's co-worker, her fellow officer, Sergeant Johnson.

00:03:39.020 They put on her commander, Garrett Flesland, Flesland.

00:03:43.500 And those went very poorly for the prosecution.

00:03:47.200 Now they want to impeach their own witnesses.

00:03:49.580 What was it?

00:03:50.440 I guess let's start with Johnson, if you know Sergeant Johnson, her co-worker.

00:03:53.760 What was so so good for Kim Potter in that testimony that they now want it stricken?

00:03:59.520 The prosecution to put it on the two officers with Potter at the arrest of Dante Wright, the attempted arrest, were Officer Lucky, a trainee and Officer Johnson, a very experienced sergeant.

00:04:11.740 Officer Lucky said if he'd had the option, he would have tased Dante Wright.

00:04:16.200 Officer Johnson said he would have shot Dante Wright.

00:04:18.420 So those are the two other officers on the scene.

00:04:21.620 And they both say, I would have done what Kim Potter intended to do or worse and been justified in doing that.

00:04:27.980 So then, of course, the state these are the state's witnesses testifying.

00:04:32.820 Yeah.

00:04:33.000 So Sergeant Johnson got up there.

00:04:35.680 He didn't have to be called, but the prosecution called him.

00:04:38.660 And here's just a little snippet of how he sounded in speaking to this jury.

00:04:42.640 There was a statement by Officer Potter, I'm going to tase you.

00:04:50.460 He didn't stop then either, did he?

00:04:52.780 No.

00:04:53.280 And if he had taken off with you in that car halfway, what would have happened to you?

00:04:59.500 What would you think would be the worst that would happen?

00:05:02.500 Probably dragged.

00:05:03.920 Dragged and what?

00:05:05.700 Injured.

00:05:06.520 Seriously injured, maybe even dead, right?

00:05:08.600 Yes.

00:05:08.900 Would it be fair for that officer to use a firearm to stop him?

00:05:13.560 By state statute, yes.

00:05:16.440 So explain to the audience what that just established.

00:05:20.320 Johnson just indicated that the conditions for the lawful use of deadly defensive force in defense of him by another officer would be lawful under Minnesota statute.

00:05:30.720 Obviously, if it's lawful, it's not criminally reckless.

00:05:32.840 And this, again, is the state's witness.

00:05:35.080 If she had, in other words, if Kim Potter had intentionally taken out her firearm and shot Daunte Wright to death in that moment, it would have been legally justified.

00:05:43.200 And what we're learning, you know, as the case fills out, we learn more about him, Wright and others, is this is not a good person.

00:05:49.800 I mean, he was a serial criminal.

00:05:51.720 It doesn't justify one way or another what happened that day.

00:05:55.160 That's up to the jury.

00:05:56.220 But right.

00:05:57.300 I mean, there's evidence the jury won't hear, for example, apparently an inch long record of flight from arrest, non appearances in court.

00:06:04.880 So this is his modus operandi.

00:06:06.560 This is what he did all the time.

00:06:08.100 Exactly.

00:06:08.540 And unlike us, cops have experience in this neighborhood and understanding the risks and assessing that in a split second.

00:06:14.460 Sometimes they do it well.

00:06:15.480 Sometimes they do it poorly.

00:06:16.420 But there was testimony about this area and the risks that are in this area and how dangerous it would be.

00:06:24.340 And then they found out this guy had an open warrant for him, Daunte Wright, and on a gun charge, a gun possession charge.

00:06:31.120 Now they're like all these things for a cop in the moment escalated.

00:06:36.720 Another red flag, another reason to be concerned.

00:06:39.000 And, you know, you and I get to sit back here and the people in the courtroom and say, like, second guess armchair quarterback.

00:06:44.060 You should have. But like there's been testimony proving to this jury how fraught that situation was and how dangerous a guy, Daunte Wright, was.

00:06:52.140 And it's important not to forget there was also an order of protection taken out by a woman against Daunte Wright.

00:06:57.480 The officers weren't just protecting themselves.

00:06:59.720 For all they knew, the woman passenger in the car was the woman being protected by this court order.

00:07:05.120 And until they identified her, if they let him flee, for all they know, this is a kidnap.

00:07:10.840 That's right. Exactly right.

00:07:11.940 So here's Kim Potter's commander, Garrett Fleslund.

00:07:17.340 So the question was, and I'm going to play a soundbite.

00:07:20.960 I get this from Andrew because he does a great job of bringing us up to speed.

00:07:23.980 Question. Would it be right for an officer to stop a person from fleeing?

00:07:28.260 I mean, duh, right?

00:07:29.120 The commander says, yes.

00:07:30.760 A person who once stopped outside their car without a license, without ID, without with a woman inside the car who might be the subject of restraining order.

00:07:36.880 Would that be appropriate to stop that person?

00:07:38.300 Yes. Was officer Lucky reprimanded with respect to Daunte Wright?

00:07:42.180 No. Was Sergeant Johnson?

00:07:43.360 No.

00:07:43.580 Can it be reasonable to use deadly force if a fellow officer is partly inside a car that is trying to take off where the cop would be dragged?

00:07:52.320 Yes.

00:07:53.040 Our traffic stops very dangerous.

00:07:54.420 Yes.

00:07:55.140 Even more so if you learn the person stopped has an arrest warrant out for a gun possession offense.

00:08:00.200 Yes.

00:08:00.600 He said I would be extremely concerned for my own safety and about a gun being present in that situation.

00:08:05.360 Can you force can you use force to an effect an arrest on a warrant and use force to stop said person from fleeing?

00:08:12.620 Yes, you can, said the commander.

00:08:14.160 And if he keeps fighting after warning, he's going to be tased.

00:08:17.280 And a fellow cop is lying over the passenger in the car fighting to prevent flight by the suspect in his car.

00:08:23.280 Would it be right to use deadly force?

00:08:25.160 Yes.

00:08:25.600 Then comes what Andrew calls the kill shot of the cross-examination, which followed that exchange.

00:08:31.060 Listen to the commander here.

00:08:33.840 How would you describe Kim Potter as a police officer?

00:08:38.960 She's a good cop.

00:08:39.780 She's a good person.

00:08:40.800 She's a she's a friend.

00:08:43.140 I had no concerns going to calls with her.

00:08:45.700 Part of the training trying to teach officers to think in stressful situations in real life.

00:08:55.600 Yes.

00:08:56.300 Would a good police officer try to make good decisions under pressure?

00:09:00.640 I expect good officers to make good decisions.

00:09:02.560 You did say that good officers make good decisions, correct?

00:09:06.560 You just testified in that?

00:09:08.160 My hope is good officers make good decisions.

00:09:10.200 And you did describe Kim Potter as a good officer, correct?

00:09:16.040 I did.

00:09:17.240 It's hard to believe I'm watching the prosecution's case.

00:09:20.280 Yeah.

00:09:20.720 And every one of these officers who worked with her for 26 years think the world of her.

00:09:25.600 She was a well-liked, well-respected officer who, let's face it, made a mistake when she pulled her gun intending to go for the taser in highly tumultuous conditions.

00:09:35.300 I mean, if this were a civil lawsuit, she would be able to bring up all of Dante Wright's conduct in this as contributory negligence to whatever her liability would be because he played a role here, too.

00:09:46.580 But there's nothing in this case that appears to give rise to actual criminal culpability that justifies this criminal prosecution of her.

00:09:54.700 Andrew, this is not a Derek Chauvin.

00:09:56.860 There's been testimony about what, if any complaints were brought against Kim Potter.

00:10:01.020 How many have been brought against her?

00:10:03.740 None.

00:10:04.280 There's never been a complaint against her.

00:10:05.640 Not a use of force complaint.

00:10:06.700 I guess 24 years ago, she crashed a police car, so she got reprimanded for that when she was a brand-new officer.

00:10:12.300 But since then, we're talking multiple decades, no reprimands, no complaints, and never a use of force complaint.

00:10:19.120 This is crazy.

00:10:20.220 Dante Wright, meanwhile, you mentioned the woman who he had the altercation with and had a restraining order.

00:10:26.700 She had a restraining order on him.

00:10:28.080 And the cops, not knowing, is this the woman in the car?

00:10:31.040 They didn't know.

00:10:33.260 She actually, along with two other people in two separate lawsuits, is going after his estate.

00:10:39.820 Now, he doesn't have any money, Dante Wright, but his family's getting ready to sue.

00:10:44.080 So they may wind up with money.

00:10:46.400 We'll see.

00:10:46.840 That case will play out separately, the civil lawsuit.

00:10:49.420 I mean, the week Dante Wright was shot, his mother showed up for her questioning at the police headquarters with Benjamin Crump.

00:10:55.260 Oh, wow.

00:10:56.800 Yeah, of course.

00:10:57.460 He's always in on all these cases.

00:10:59.220 You know, he's been in on all of them, trying to get money for himself and his clients.

00:11:02.740 It doesn't usually work out for him.

00:11:04.860 But anyway, so that woman was ready to testify the criminal trial against Dante Wright, the co-defendant with Dante Wright in that case,

00:11:15.760 who kind of allegedly drove Dante away after he choked this woman, who was his girlfriend or friend.

00:11:21.280 He allegedly choked her.

00:11:22.960 He robbed her.

00:11:23.940 He took her stuff and then took off and he had an accomplice.

00:11:27.680 That guy struck a deal and I think was ready to turn on Dante, too.

00:11:31.520 So the woman released a victim impact statement.

00:11:34.740 She's never going to get to get it.

00:11:36.080 Right.

00:11:36.340 Because, I mean, now she's filed a civil lawsuit, but the criminal lawsuit's over.

00:11:39.260 He's dead.

00:11:40.500 And Fox News Digital got their hands on it.

00:11:42.780 Here's part of it.

00:11:43.420 Listen to her.

00:11:43.880 I have never stared in somebody's eyes while begging to keep my life while also having a gun pointed at my head.

00:11:52.260 I was completely vulnerable and in shock.

00:11:55.880 I have never grasped for air as much as I did when I had his hands wrapped around my neck trying to breathe for air.

00:12:03.800 It was like one of those dreams where you're trying to yell, but the sound isn't coming out.

00:12:10.220 The mental trauma I had to go through during that period of time still affects me to this day in multiple areas of my life.

00:12:20.540 OK, so here's my question.

00:12:23.400 There's that lawsuit.

00:12:24.460 There's two more lawsuits.

00:12:25.480 He allegedly shot a kid named Caleb Livingston, who was 16.

00:12:30.980 He's now permanently disabled.

00:12:32.580 His lawyer says Dante had a criminal history from age of 12.

00:12:35.800 He had committed to a lifestyle of crime.

00:12:37.900 Another guy, Joshua Hodges, they're suing Dante's estate for assault and battery.

00:12:44.960 Joshua says he was robbed and assaulted by him, that that Dante's accomplice shot Josh Hodges in the leg.

00:12:53.940 And then they took off with his car and his phone and all that.

00:12:56.700 So, OK, a lot of people claim that they've been victimized by Dante.

00:12:59.980 Right. None of it comes in because prior bad acts, character evidence generally doesn't come into a criminal trial to convince the jury is a bad man.

00:13:06.900 He deserved to die.

00:13:07.560 That's not how the law works.

00:13:08.500 However, why did they let Dante Wright's dad take the stand and say he was a good boy and then didn't walk through that door?

00:13:16.100 No, he wasn't.

00:13:16.800 He wasn't a good boy.

00:13:18.280 Yeah.

00:13:18.420 A big part of this trial has been a lot of discussions with the parties and the judge in at sidebar off the record or at least off the broadcast record.

00:13:26.060 So we don't know why some of these decisions were made.

00:13:28.160 The defense did have a standing objection for the entirety of the father's testimony.

00:13:31.980 All the father really did was testify that his son was a great son and a great father to his newborn baby and everybody loved him.

00:13:38.940 And, of course, none of this was discussed by the father and there was no cross-examination by the father.

00:13:44.040 Minnesota has a weird provision that allows for what they call spark of life evidence, even in the guilt phase of the trial.

00:13:49.520 I think it's crazy to allow that.

00:13:51.360 I think it's extremely prejudicial and not at all probative.

00:13:54.500 Doesn't help the jury arrive at a informed verdict at all.

00:13:58.500 But Minnesota law allows for it.

00:14:00.300 So I presume that the rationale for allowing the dad's testimony was that spark of life.

00:14:04.580 What does that mean, spark of life?

00:14:06.580 This was a real human being.

00:14:08.380 He had people who loved him.

00:14:09.980 It's the kind of stuff that you would normally expect.

00:14:11.900 In most states, they wouldn't allow that until after a guilty verdict as part of the sentencing procedure, for example.

00:14:18.560 The kind of witness statement that you just aired from the woman who was the victim in that prior crime.

00:14:24.060 But in Minnesota, they allow some of that kind of testimony in the guilt phase of the trial before a verdict's even been reached.

00:14:29.940 And I think it's outrageously prejudicial, but it's what the law there allows for.

00:14:34.160 All right.

00:14:34.780 Final question, because I know you've got to get back to it.

00:14:37.420 What even though it's going so well for Kim Potter and her defense?

00:14:41.220 How do you handicap her odds of an acquittal?

00:14:46.200 Because this case could very well come down to the instructions on the law on what equals recklessness.

00:14:52.880 Is a good faith mistake enough or does she have some higher level of culpability?

00:14:58.440 And so do you still think that that could be a saving grace for the prosecution?

00:15:03.320 I've always felt from the beginning that there was no – the evidence here is not really in dispute.

00:15:07.480 It's all caught on body camera.

00:15:08.740 I don't even know why we have a jury because a jury is supposed to be finders of facts.

00:15:11.980 And the facts aren't really in dispute here.

00:15:14.380 And I've never thought the state had an argument for recklessness anyway.

00:15:18.700 So I think the charges should have been dismissed.

00:15:20.580 We shouldn't even be at trial.

00:15:21.860 In fact, today the judge said in Sidebar that, well, you know, the facts aren't really in dispute.

00:15:26.500 And I'm like, well, why are we here then?

00:15:28.240 What is the purpose of this trial if there's no facts in dispute?

00:15:30.580 Then it's simply a matter of law, and the judge is supposed to decide the law.

00:15:34.940 And if the judge decides, well, this qualifies as recklessness under the law, she's guilty.

00:15:39.480 And if the judge decides it doesn't, she's acquitted.

00:15:42.160 There shouldn't even be a trial.

00:15:43.780 So it's somewhat bewildering to me why the state is being allowed to go forward with this really novel view of what criminal recklessness qualifies for.

00:15:52.760 And unfortunately, there's never a 0% chance of getting convicted no matter how innocent you are.

00:15:58.020 I actually, I don't predict verdicts just for that reason.

00:16:01.500 You might get an irrational jury.

00:16:03.040 You might get a jury who's afraid to go back to their community after having acquitted a defendant.

00:16:07.360 There's lots of reasons a jury might vote for guilt despite the lack of legal merit for that verdict.

00:16:13.400 Are the jury instructions set?

00:16:14.560 Well, they're never finally set until the last moment because they're always subject to revision based on testimony that occurred over the course of the trial.

00:16:26.020 But they weren't really set even in a preliminary way at the start of the trial, which is another thing that's outrageous.

00:16:31.660 We saw that in the Rittenhouse case as well.

00:16:34.100 How are the lawyers supposed to know what to argue to, what points to emphasize if they don't know even prospectively what the elements of the criminal charge are going to be?

00:16:43.020 And they didn't.

00:16:44.220 This issue of recklessness was not absolutely defined by the judge before the trial started.

00:16:49.080 That's a problem.

00:16:50.200 And I know you said this.

00:16:51.180 You've been watching the Ahmaud Arbery case clearly and closely, too.

00:16:56.100 That was another problem there.

00:16:57.060 The judge didn't want to get too specific on the self-defense law there.

00:17:00.320 The citizen's arrest law.

00:17:01.560 The citizen's arrest, right.

00:17:02.860 There.

00:17:03.380 And both of these judges, they need to show courage.

00:17:06.220 These are racially fraught cases, you know, rightly or wrongly.

00:17:09.800 I mean, Ahmaud Arbery, definitely this one, you know, she's a white police officer.

00:17:14.520 The judge has to show some courage in instructing the jury on the law.

00:17:17.660 That's literally her job.

00:17:19.640 So hopefully she'll she'll give a nice, clear instruction that both sides can live with.

00:17:24.620 So far, what I've seen is very confusing.

00:17:26.360 And even I as a lawyer, I'm like, wait, what?

00:17:29.100 Andrew, you've been the greatest.

00:17:30.200 Thank you so much.

00:17:30.960 And we'll let you get back to it and hopefully come back with another update when the case progresses.

00:17:35.020 Sounds great, Megan.

00:17:35.880 Thanks.

00:17:36.500 See you soon.

00:17:37.500 Coming up, we're going to be joined by our friend by our friend Ali Beth Stuckey, who's

00:17:41.480 going to talk Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi.

00:17:44.200 Wait till you hear what she's saying about the crime wave in her hometown of San Francisco.

00:17:48.240 Billie Eilish.

00:17:49.520 Oh, and by the way, did you see Ben Affleck trying to do cleanup in aisle seven?

00:17:52.660 There were like four articles of People magazine and all the other like, oh, and then he went

00:17:56.680 on Kimmel last night and we'll tell you what he said.

00:17:59.180 Let me give you a clue.

00:18:00.480 He's feeling sorry for himself.

00:18:06.160 Join me now, Ali Beth Stuckey, host of Relatable on Blaze TV and author of You're Not Enough

00:18:17.320 and That's OK.

00:18:19.360 Ali Beth, so good to have you back.

00:18:20.520 How are you?

00:18:21.680 Thanks for having me.

00:18:22.560 Doing well.

00:18:23.040 How are you?

00:18:23.820 I am great.

00:18:24.680 I'm great.

00:18:25.000 The news cycle lately has been really interesting to me when I get firing on all the things that

00:18:30.060 I most feel fired up about, and this is one of them, right?

00:18:34.020 Crime, the crime wave that was the natural result of defunding the police in so many cities,

00:18:40.520 electing and putting in place these soft on crime prosecutors, changing our laws to

00:18:46.020 require no bail and so on and so forth.

00:18:48.500 And we it's it happened fast.

00:18:51.220 You know, it's you can see before your very eyes within, you know, a year of some of those

00:18:55.200 things happening.

00:18:56.340 The crime rates go up double digits in city after city after city.

00:19:00.360 And I mean, perhaps no one's gotten it worse than San Francisco for a combination of reasons.

00:19:07.800 So their mayor, London Breed, she I'm going to play a soundbite, but man, listening to her

00:19:15.480 soundbite, Ali Beth, you would think that she was like a Trump law and order, law and order

00:19:20.660 person. This she she has got the solution to the problem she caused.

00:19:28.440 We'll get to her background in a second, but listen to how ticked off she is now now about

00:19:32.920 the crime in San Francisco.

00:19:34.600 And it's time that the reign of criminals who are destroying our city, it is time for it to

00:19:40.820 come to an end. And it comes to an end when we take the steps to be more aggressive with law

00:19:49.960 enforcement, more aggressive with the changes in our policies and less tolerant of all the

00:19:57.520 bullshit that has destroyed our city.

00:20:01.080 She's tough. She sounds really tough.

00:20:03.280 And yet there's a backstory.

00:20:04.940 Your thoughts on it.

00:20:07.040 You know, I'm glad to hear her say this.

00:20:10.360 I'm sure a lot of people in San Francisco are also glad to hear her say this.

00:20:13.740 But of course, the policies that she has reported or has supported and that Chesa Boudin have

00:20:19.820 supported and all of the progressives, the local elected officials have supported over the past

00:20:25.520 several years have, of course, led to this, enabled this, encouraged this, exacerbated what

00:20:30.640 was a pre-existing problem in San Francisco.

00:20:33.580 So I'm glad to see this pivot.

00:20:35.880 I hope it translates into real policy change.

00:20:38.380 But I also when I heard this for the first time yesterday, I think I was watching some news

00:20:44.260 show. My response was really, really after all of this time, this is what you're saying,

00:20:50.800 acting like this has been your consistent position when obviously it hasn't.

00:20:55.000 So it's hypocritical.

00:20:56.220 But I am hopeful that maybe it'll it'll translate into some kind of positive change.

00:21:00.680 Right. And hopefully not just there.

00:21:02.920 This is she went on to say as follows.

00:21:04.680 This is a city that has a population of less than one million people with an over 12 billion

00:21:11.600 dollar budget. The residents of this city have been extremely generous in providing us

00:21:16.660 with the resources we need to make a difference.

00:21:18.700 And now the priorities we need to make must be to protect them, must be to turn things around

00:21:26.840 in their neighborhoods.

00:21:29.000 Well, duh. Right.

00:21:30.880 It's like at some point, the people who are getting robbed, held up, burgled, shot, murdered

00:21:38.900 their kids, witnesses, things like this on the way to school are going to rise up even

00:21:44.140 in the most liberal, progressive city in America where give you a couple of stats.

00:21:50.500 Homicides are up 17 percent in 2021.

00:21:52.800 By the way, same percentage in L.A., Oakland and San Diego.

00:21:55.980 Great job, California.

00:21:56.840 Uh, car break ins are up in San Fran.

00:21:59.140 Twenty one percent vehicle thefts up 10 percent in twenty nineteen forty percent of shoplifting

00:22:04.980 incidents led to an arrest in twenty twenty one.

00:22:08.160 It's only nineteen percent.

00:22:09.620 I mean, shoplift away.

00:22:11.000 If you're in San Fran, you're good.

00:22:12.740 You just take what you want.

00:22:13.820 Truly, they're not going to come after you.

00:22:15.800 The San Francisco D.A., who you just mentioned, Chesa Boudin, is a problem.

00:22:21.320 This guy is a problem.

00:22:22.220 He charged forty six percent of the arrests that came to him for theft.

00:22:28.660 That's a 16 point decline since he took office in twenty twenty.

00:22:32.180 He charged just thirty five percent of petty theft arrests.

00:22:36.000 That's a twenty three percent decline from two thousand nineteen.

00:22:40.000 And basically what led London Breed, the mayor, to come out there is more than two hundred people

00:22:46.300 in the mostly poor or working class Tenderloin neighborhood of San Fran, came to her upset

00:22:53.160 that there had been a one hundred and sixty one percent increase in the violence of their

00:22:58.340 neighborhood between last year and this, including a brutal attack on an eleven year old girl.

00:23:05.220 So where did they go?

00:23:06.540 Where do the parents of that girl go for their for their justification, for their retribution?

00:23:13.100 Right.

00:23:13.580 Human beings don't do chaos well.

00:23:15.880 We don't like anarchy as much as progressives like to say that they envision this utopia,

00:23:22.400 which, of course, means no place in which criminals no longer commit crimes because there are no longer

00:23:28.900 punishments for crime.

00:23:29.900 Of course, that's part of this crazy progressive dogma that if they no longer enforce the law,

00:23:35.340 then people will just somehow get along and be happy and rehabilitate naturally and all of this crazy

00:23:41.520 pie in the sky stuff.

00:23:43.260 OK, that sounds good.

00:23:45.000 It sounds maybe like a place where people would want to live that would end up in some kind of

00:23:51.580 peaceful harmony.

00:23:52.620 But it just doesn't work like that.

00:23:54.400 Progressives continually get human nature wrong.

00:23:57.600 One part of human nature is that we do not tolerate chaos.

00:24:01.160 We don't tolerate violence.

00:24:02.700 Even the most progressive among us, once they see the consequences, the violent consequences,

00:24:09.300 the destruction that always comes from social justice, they end up pivoting.

00:24:14.540 Social justice kills.

00:24:16.460 This is the latest example of that.

00:24:18.480 Hopefully people will realize that these pie in the sky policies just aren't going to work.

00:24:23.960 I'll hold my breath.

00:24:25.180 I'm not so sure about that, but but we'll see.

00:24:28.240 And I am a little optimistic after hearing London Breed.

00:24:31.720 That is the most succinct synopsis of the social justice problems that I've heard.

00:24:37.280 Social justice kills.

00:24:38.740 It does.

00:24:40.000 You're 100% right.

00:24:41.280 We're seeing it.

00:24:41.740 And you know who it kills more than anybody else?

00:24:43.460 Black and brown people in the inner city.

00:24:45.800 It does.

00:24:46.740 And, you know, Thomas Sowell, he wrote this great book called Quest for Cosmic Justice,

00:24:50.040 where he talks about these people who are basically social engineers, that they create all of these

00:24:56.360 social solutions to what they call problems that they're never actually affected by.

00:25:00.940 And the problem with social or cosmic justice is that the people who create these so-called

00:25:05.840 solutions, like defunding the police or something like that, or getting rid of single family

00:25:10.600 housing zones all in the name of equity, they never think of the other side of the equation.

00:25:15.780 So opening the border or getting rid of single family housing zones or defunding the police

00:25:20.260 or taking away guns, they might think that theoretically it would work for one side of

00:25:25.260 the equation.

00:25:25.880 They never think about the consequences on the other side of the equation.

00:25:29.020 The consequence that we're seeing on the other side of the social justice equation of

00:25:33.200 defunding the police or refusing to prosecute crimes is dead people.

00:25:37.820 So people get really mad when I say that social justice kills, especially in the Christian

00:25:41.840 community, because social justice sounds really good.

00:25:45.040 But the reality is, is that it's always detrimental.

00:25:48.120 Mm hmm.

00:25:49.040 And then you've got speaking of that, right?

00:25:50.900 Sort of the it's always like some wealthy white woman who's far left trying to dictate

00:25:57.020 for these communities how they need to live and how things need to be to make her feel better

00:26:01.600 in her.

00:26:02.420 And she just bought some gazillionaire property in Florida, by the way, among other places,

00:26:06.780 Nancy Pelosi.

00:26:07.660 She's not even have to live there.

00:26:08.720 She doesn't have to worry about it.

00:26:09.720 Um, she she comments on this.

00:26:14.220 Guess what?

00:26:14.880 She's interested in the smash and grab robberies at Gucci and all the other department stores

00:26:21.360 in San Francisco.

00:26:22.120 She's horrified.

00:26:24.120 She comes out and says, right, it's absolutely outrageous.

00:26:28.880 This attitude of lawlessness.

00:26:31.020 And then asked, well, do you agree with London Breed?

00:26:33.800 You know, the mayor of San Fran about what's happening there?

00:26:35.620 No, she wouldn't go that far.

00:26:36.740 So the people of the tenderloin are going to have to just deal with it.

00:26:40.980 The future 11 year olds are going to have to do it.

00:26:42.660 But you better crack down on what's happening at Gucci for the love of God.

00:26:46.640 Right.

00:26:47.060 That is so Nancy Pelosi.

00:26:50.060 That is so Nancy Pelosi.

00:26:51.460 And she is exactly what I was talking about.

00:26:53.400 Someone who will not be affected by the policy or the lack of enforcement of the law that she

00:27:01.820 seems to advocate for.

00:27:02.920 Of course, she wants to say, oh, this stuff is really bad.

00:27:06.060 She wants to at least rhetorically seem like she's representing or defending her constituents.

00:27:10.840 But when it comes to action, well, she's also got to acquiesce to and appease the radicals

00:27:16.660 in her party, which is anti law enforcement.

00:27:20.200 So she's acting like she's confused about where lawlessness is coming from.

00:27:23.800 And maybe she is confused.

00:27:25.200 Yeah, yeah, that's a quote she said.

00:27:27.360 The quote is, I just want to make sure people have it.

00:27:31.780 The fact that there is an attitude of lawlessness in our country that springs from, I don't know

00:27:37.060 where you don't progressives don't understand.

00:27:41.400 They don't understand human nature.

00:27:43.620 They fundamentally don't believe that consequences for bad action can change people's actions.

00:27:50.340 They don't believe that because they have, in my opinion, a whole misunderstanding about

00:27:54.940 how human beings and societies function, which is why their policies are always so destructive.

00:27:59.480 Well, here's the difference.

00:28:00.140 London Breed lives in San Francisco.

00:28:01.820 She's actually going to have to answer to her constituents who are going through it.

00:28:05.040 Nancy Pelosi's she's not there.

00:28:06.800 Like I said, she's going to be at the beach.

00:28:08.420 She's going to be in D.C. at the Georgetown cocktail party.

00:28:10.980 She's not to deal with this.

00:28:12.200 And even if she were there, she wouldn't have to deal with it with her highfalutin life and

00:28:15.020 her gazillion dollar ice cream in her refrigerator.

00:28:17.740 I mean, like she's got more money than God, so she really should probably stay out of

00:28:21.940 it unless she's going to do more good than harm.

00:28:24.260 All right.

00:28:24.740 Let's switch gears because we've been following.

00:28:27.300 I know you've been following this case of the UPenn swimmers, the women's team at the

00:28:32.300 University of Pennsylvania.

00:28:33.940 It's an Ivy League school and the women there.

00:28:36.500 Actually, there was some some eye opening honesty in one of the Daily Mail pieces.

00:28:40.480 I think I read about it.

00:28:41.720 Outkick's been doing a great job.

00:28:43.460 They said, look, in the Ivy League, you get a great degree.

00:28:46.640 But like they're not really known for winning a ton of trophies in competitive sports.

00:28:51.780 And that's where enter this new trans swimmer.

00:28:55.700 Right.

00:28:56.080 She now goes by Leah Thomas.

00:28:59.460 And Leah, of course, was a man and is remains a biological man, but identifies as female and

00:29:06.620 has been allowed to swim with the female swimmers.

00:29:10.220 And Leah is crushing it.

00:29:12.380 She's crushing all the other female swimmers by a mile.

00:29:15.240 I mean, she had like something like 40 seconds off of somebody else's time.

00:29:19.620 I mean, it's just it's it's it's just brutal.

00:29:23.140 And the women slowly but surely are speaking out, saying, I'm not allowed to say anything,

00:29:27.340 but I totally object.

00:29:28.160 It's grossly unfair.

00:29:29.180 And then another one came out and said, I'm not allowed to say anything.

00:29:31.240 The coach is just loving winning.

00:29:33.320 They're like our coach is loving finally putting ports on the board.

00:29:36.360 Who's a man, of course.

00:29:37.320 So they're not allowed to speak out because they said they want to get jobs after they

00:29:42.320 graduate.

00:29:42.580 If they even speak out about this, Ali Beth saying, hey, I'm a swimmer.

00:29:45.740 I worked hard to get here.

00:29:46.600 Can I just like I hate the fact that I'm at best going to get second place?

00:29:50.140 No bigot.

00:29:51.260 They know very well the landscape they're walking into.

00:29:53.340 So finally, their parents wrote a letter to the school saying, this is awful.

00:30:00.740 Like you, our daughters should not be the ones who have to handle this to speak out about

00:30:06.020 it.

00:30:06.520 They shouldn't have to be worried about risking their career.

00:30:09.020 You you do something about it, University of Pennsylvania.

00:30:11.680 You make that coach do something about it.

00:30:13.500 You create a third league.

00:30:14.880 But fairness to just this one trans student does not mean fairness, period.

00:30:20.360 The other girls who are on that squad deserve fairness, too.

00:30:23.340 And this isn't it.

00:30:24.840 And University of Pennsylvania responded so far by saying, may we refer you to the following

00:30:31.020 mental health clinics?

00:30:33.880 So basically send your lunatic daughters to get therapy for their anger.

00:30:39.180 But we're not getting rid of the source of the anger.

00:30:41.460 Well, now I'm angry, too.

00:30:43.760 Wow.

00:30:44.360 How ironic is that that they that they are sending the people who are affirming reality and are

00:30:50.080 bearing the brunt of reality by losing to this person to mental health facilities as if they

00:30:54.800 are the ones that are in the wrong when it like if you watch an interview with this

00:30:59.120 person whose name is now apparently Leah Thomas.

00:31:02.780 I mean, you watch this and this it feels like satire.

00:31:06.700 It honestly does that.

00:31:08.240 I'm watching this person with a deep voice, broad shoulders, very muscular, very chiseled,

00:31:14.040 obviously an athlete.

00:31:15.000 And he swam.

00:31:16.480 I think what you said he swam for you, Penn, was already pretty good.

00:31:20.360 Took one year off, took one year off to do some testosterone suppression.

00:31:25.320 And I'm watching him in an interview talk, talk about this.

00:31:28.740 And I'm like, really, people are going along with this.

00:31:31.300 So I just want to encourage the women who are speaking up about this.

00:31:34.860 I'm sure many of them, they probably describe themselves maybe as trans allies or progressive.

00:31:40.220 I'm sure they're not all, you know, right wingers who are pushing back against this.

00:31:44.800 But now that they are bearing the consequence of really living in this kind of post-truth,

00:31:49.220 absurd reality that we live in, they're speaking up.

00:31:53.360 I just want to encourage them to continue to do that because you're not just speaking

00:31:56.420 up for yourself.

00:31:57.320 You're speaking up for the young girls that are coming after you that are looking for

00:32:01.340 scholarships that are working really hard right now and deserve to be able to compete

00:32:06.920 fairly.

00:32:08.200 Having Leah Thomas compete against women is not fairness for Leah Thomas.

00:32:12.820 That's actually special privileges for one person at the expense of the fairness for

00:32:17.700 everyone else.

00:32:18.540 That's right.

00:32:19.200 It's not.

00:32:19.700 She is not on an equal playing field.

00:32:22.320 You cannot let someone live as a man and develop male femurs, male muscles, male long arms,

00:32:28.480 male height, male strength, all of it.

00:32:31.380 A bigger heart pumps more blood, more oxygen in the body.

00:32:35.080 And then say after one year of just suppressing one little piece of being a man, the testosterone,

00:32:40.400 he's a woman.

00:32:41.180 That's not a woman.

00:32:41.960 He has natural advantage.

00:32:43.700 He's been training effectively with testosterone his entire life, her, whatever.

00:32:48.700 And to put to then let this person get in the pool and say everything's equal.

00:32:52.780 And if you don't like it, you're a bigot is deeply wrong.

00:32:56.020 And this is why they've made such an example of J.K.

00:32:59.260 Rowling.

00:32:59.740 They mean to scare these young women on the college campuses and the high school campuses

00:33:05.040 and their parents.

00:33:05.780 Just today, there's a headline out about J.K.

00:33:07.680 Rowling.

00:33:08.420 It's incredible to me.

00:33:09.900 Created Harry Potter.

00:33:10.820 Of course, she's the one who came up with Fantastic Beasts.

00:33:14.100 Right.

00:33:14.320 And they they made a movie out of it.

00:33:15.760 And when they released the trailer for the movie the first time around, it was saying

00:33:19.960 brought to you by J.K.

00:33:21.640 Rowling because her name is, of course, associated with this wonderful brand.

00:33:25.820 Now they've released another trailer.

00:33:27.960 I don't know if it's a part two or what it is, but no, it's brought to you by Warner Brothers.

00:33:32.960 J.K.

00:33:33.460 Rowling's a teeny tiny little.

00:33:34.960 You need the magnifier to actually even see it on the.

00:33:37.780 She's been erased.

00:33:39.240 There's there's one feminist group in London that's saying to to consciously detach a probably

00:33:47.180 the most brilliant and accomplished female author in modern day history from her own

00:33:53.800 work because she took a position that women are women, that there is such a thing as biological

00:33:59.060 sex is outrageous.

00:34:00.820 Yes, it's outrageous.

00:34:03.720 And she has tried so hard to be as nuanced as possible to caveat her position to try to

00:34:09.100 say over and over again that she loves trans people, that she wants people to be comfortable

00:34:13.600 with who they are.

00:34:14.420 But she is just against having to deny reality.

00:34:17.480 And of course, she got lambasted the other day for calling out this new policy, apparently

00:34:23.580 that's happening in the UK, where if someone who is accused of raping a woman, if a man who

00:34:29.340 was accused of raping a woman says that he is a woman, then the police have to write

00:34:34.140 down that this person is a woman that raped this other woman.

00:34:38.520 I mean, think about how confusing that is, how difficult that is.

00:34:41.520 Yes.

00:34:41.680 How did I miss this story?

00:34:43.580 Yes.

00:34:44.040 She called this out.

00:34:44.940 She said, you know, she quoted 1984, war is peace, freedom is slavery.

00:34:48.760 And that penis individual who just raped you is actually a woman.

00:34:52.580 And of course, people got very angry at her for this.

00:34:54.960 And I love that she's doubling down because she's speaking up not just for women's fairness,

00:34:59.120 but also for safety.

00:35:00.960 Think about the implications and the consequences.

00:35:03.120 If you cannot even accurately report the person who assaulted you because of these identity

00:35:08.140 issues, this is a big deal.

00:35:10.440 And I'm just proud of her for continuing to put herself on the line for people who don't

00:35:14.920 have the same platform that she does.

00:35:17.260 Same.

00:35:17.540 That's right.

00:35:18.140 And look, she's doing it.

00:35:20.300 These girls speaking out anonymously to Outkick.

00:35:22.880 That was very brave.

00:35:23.920 And I understand why they didn't put their names to it.

00:35:25.940 Hopefully one day they'll find the courage to do that.

00:35:28.220 Like the Connecticut runners to whom came on this show by name and talked about what they'd

00:35:35.760 been going through.

00:35:36.260 You can find a way forward.

00:35:37.220 You're not alone.

00:35:37.800 You're not ally-less by taking this position.

00:35:40.260 And they'll call you all sorts of names.

00:35:41.680 But most of the country and indeed world will understand and probably agree with you.

00:35:48.100 We have so much more to go over with Allie Beth.

00:35:50.060 I don't like I don't I'm not sure you're going to be able to leave.

00:35:52.160 I just do we have to do the commercial?

00:35:53.940 Oh, we do all day.

00:35:56.460 There's so much.

00:35:57.780 All right.

00:35:57.940 We'll get right back to it.

00:35:59.540 You know, you can find the show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at

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00:36:26.380 Don't go away.

00:36:33.240 So Ben Affleck back in the news decided to give an interview to Howard Stern.

00:36:38.880 Howard Stern always gets the best things out of people.

00:36:41.340 He's just very disarming.

00:36:42.640 I've been on that show.

00:36:43.480 He's very disarming.

00:36:44.700 And you say things you didn't plan to say.

00:36:46.440 Um, and he got him talking about his first wife, Jennifer Garner.

00:36:50.060 He's with JLo now.

00:36:51.160 They're not married, but who knows?

00:36:52.960 Um, and he made a comment of if I were still married to her, Jennifer Garner, I'd, I'd still

00:36:57.800 be drinking.

00:36:58.660 He's an alcoholic.

00:37:00.040 And, um, said he felt trapped in his marriage.

00:37:02.980 He did say some nice things about Jennifer Garner too, but those are the things that made

00:37:06.660 the headlines because she stood by him.

00:37:09.420 She got him into rehab.

00:37:10.660 She's the mother of his children.

00:37:12.280 She's an all around sweetheart.

00:37:13.440 You never see negative reports about Jennifer Garner.

00:37:15.640 She really is a nice person.

00:37:17.440 Um, and there was the predictable backlash.

00:37:21.160 So just sitting around on my couch the other day, yesterday, I see like four articles pop

00:37:26.100 up, like people and all the usual suspects that cover entertainment, him, like trying

00:37:31.620 to dig his way out.

00:37:32.620 Clearly his PR person realized you're an idiot.

00:37:35.380 Uh, and then it continued last night on Jimmy Kimmel, where he said the following.

00:37:38.800 I had gone on and said like how much we respect each other and cared about each other and

00:37:44.360 cared about our kids and put them first and went through our stuff.

00:37:47.020 And he said that I had blamed my ex-wife for my alcoholism and I would never want my kids

00:37:54.080 to think I would ever say a bad word about their mom because this really upset you.

00:37:58.020 I mean, obviously it hurts his feelings.

00:38:01.640 Allie Beth hurts his feelings.

00:38:02.780 It's about him still.

00:38:04.080 Right, right.

00:38:06.880 Well, he did say it and I understand no one likes to be taken out of context or misunderstood

00:38:11.560 and I've never been on the Howard Stern show, probably never will, but I believe you when

00:38:15.860 I would buy a ticket to that.

00:38:17.680 Yeah.

00:38:18.720 Uh, I, I believe you when, when you say that he is disarming and so maybe he really didn't

00:38:24.620 mean to say what he said, but as you said, he's still making it about him.

00:38:29.160 And he's saying that, Oh, that hurt my feelings when rather just take responsibility and say,

00:38:34.040 look, I'm responsible for the words that I say.

00:38:36.380 And I should have never said something that could even be interpreted as me speaking negatively

00:38:41.180 to my wife in a way that my children could one day read about or hear.

00:38:46.160 I think that's the biggest travesty here.

00:38:48.300 I mean, Jen Garner, I think that she is such, she seems like such a pure sweetheart and all

00:38:52.920 of the content that she puts out is just so joyful and sweet.

00:38:55.980 It's hard for me to even understand how anyone can utter a negative word about her, but I

00:39:01.620 just think that he needs to, he needs to be a little bit more discerning in the things

00:39:06.180 that he says, not just for PR reasons, not just because it might hurt his feelings if

00:39:09.980 someone misinterprets him, but because they've got children in the mix and not to me is the

00:39:15.000 biggest travesty of all of this, but now they'll, they'll read about that one day.

00:39:18.920 Yes.

00:39:19.460 Oh my God.

00:39:19.840 And he knows better.

00:39:20.960 It's not like he's some rube when it comes to PR and what the press is going to do, but

00:39:26.300 I agree with you.

00:39:26.980 I, I don't really care that he said other things that are nice about her.

00:39:30.360 He said he felt trapped in that marriage and that his kids were the only thing keeping

00:39:33.700 him there.

00:39:34.340 And he said that if he were still married to Jennifer Garner, he'd still be on the bottle

00:39:39.120 that, how is she supposed to take it?

00:39:41.900 And according to, you know, reports, not her directly, uh, they say she's not okay.

00:39:45.840 She's quote, not okay with what he said.

00:39:47.880 She said, it feels like a slap in the face or a representative said, that's how she feels.

00:39:52.040 Of course it does.

00:39:53.180 This guy, he's so holier than thou, right?

00:39:55.260 This is the same person who said he wouldn't even act across from another actor.

00:39:59.700 If he knew he were a Republican, that's how high and mighty and moral he wants us to believe

00:40:06.020 he is.

00:40:07.040 Meanwhile, it's like, you say this stuff about her.

00:40:10.440 You're obviously in a fake relationship with Jennifer Lopez.

00:40:12.740 That is just a PR cover for her disastrous breakup with A-Rod.

00:40:16.240 I'm telling you, that's what's going on here.

00:40:18.260 Uh, and you know, a lifetime of bad choices on his part.

00:40:20.980 And we're supposed to look at him now and accept, oh, you're, you feel sorry for yourself.

00:40:26.460 Your, your feelings are hurt.

00:40:27.920 I don't care.

00:40:28.700 I don't care whether your feelings are hurt.

00:40:30.160 This one's not about you.

00:40:31.260 It's about your ex-wife who we do happen to care about.

00:40:33.200 All right.

00:40:33.900 Enough of him.

00:40:35.120 Um, I'm over him.

00:40:36.720 All right.

00:40:37.220 Billie Eilish.

00:40:38.500 So she's been making some interesting headlines lately.

00:40:41.220 And I saw you tweet about one of them with respect to porn.

00:40:45.200 Can you fill us in?

00:40:47.480 Yes.

00:40:48.000 So Billie Eilish, I think she's about 19 years old and she has just, her star has risen a

00:40:54.300 lot over the past couple of years.

00:40:55.520 She's a very popular singer.

00:40:56.860 For those who don't know, she's also very eclectic, um, in, in her brand and in the image

00:41:04.100 that she conveys, which is, it's very interesting.

00:41:07.140 She seems kind of like a darker person, which is why I think the story that I'm about to

00:41:11.480 fill you in on is a little bit surprising.

00:41:14.020 Um, she's very outspoken about being, you know, pro choice and things like that.

00:41:18.740 But she went on the Howard Stern show.

00:41:20.180 Once again, Howard Stern, giving us the content that we need.

00:41:23.600 She said that, uh, porn devastated her and it devastated her brain because she apparently

00:41:30.960 first saw pornography when she was only 11 years old.

00:41:35.140 And she said it didn't stop at just, I don't know, regular pornography, but she said that

00:41:40.020 it got to the point where she couldn't even, uh, like pornography or be attracted to what

00:41:46.520 she was seeing in pornographic videos, unless it was very violent.

00:41:50.280 So we're talking about BDSM kind of stuff, strangulation.

00:41:54.360 And she said that it really messed with her brain to the point where she said on the Howard

00:41:58.820 Stern show that the first few times that she had sex, she couldn't get into it.

00:42:03.120 Or she thought that she was also supposed to be in pain.

00:42:06.060 She was also supposed to be violated or assaulted in some way.

00:42:09.780 And she thought that that was normal and a regular form of sexual satisfaction.

00:42:15.020 And she said that she is basically against porn that as a woman, she thinks porn is a tragedy.

00:42:22.080 And I'm so glad that she's speaking up about this kind of stuff there.

00:42:25.880 Unfortunately, I've heard of reports of trends on Tik TOK where young girls as young as, you

00:42:30.600 know, 11, 12 years old are apparently talking about on Tik TOK.

00:42:34.680 They're so-called sexual kinks of being strangled.

00:42:37.520 I mean, we're talking about preteens that are now normalizing this kind of sexual perversion

00:42:42.460 that can get people not just hurt, but killed.

00:42:44.920 So good job for Billie Eilish pushing past what she probably felt like was shame and talking

00:42:49.900 about the tragedy that is pornography.

00:42:54.080 So good for her for being honest about it.

00:42:56.300 I'm really sad that that happened to her though.

00:42:58.380 You know what else, Allie, Beth, you think about it, man, I've got two daughters and a

00:43:01.000 son.

00:43:01.400 I'm sorry, two sons and a daughter.

00:43:03.000 Who am I?

00:43:03.900 And I think about it, but we've been warned by everybody that the average like 11 year

00:43:09.180 old boy has seen it by that age, certainly by 12.

00:43:11.460 And, um, so I think about it a lot with respect to my boys.

00:43:15.340 I, this is like literally the first time I thought about it with respect to my daughter.

00:43:19.040 I just don't think of it as a girl thing, right?

00:43:21.740 Stupid, stupid, right?

00:43:22.980 I mean, it's, it's ubiquitous.

00:43:25.240 So you have to be vigilant about keeping boys and girls away from it.

00:43:29.600 And I guess I just didn't think a girl could be sucked into it, right?

00:43:32.960 Cause boys are so super driven by hormones and so on when they're in their puberty years and

00:43:38.700 girls, not as well, there are, there are different avenues now.

00:43:41.920 I think that you're correct in that girls aren't as driven by visuals and objects and

00:43:46.880 things like that.

00:43:47.400 But when you think about the rise of social media, I think what's happening is that girls

00:43:52.260 are going on social media and just like all people, but especially girls, you like to get

00:43:56.400 affirmation, you like to build relationships, you like attention.

00:44:00.360 And so they're getting these messages and comments and likes from maybe older people.

00:44:05.180 And it just kind of is a slow fade and a progression probably into not just pornographic

00:44:10.960 material, but really inappropriate and predatory relationships.

00:44:15.780 I think that is probably usually how it happens for girls.

00:44:19.320 Whereas maybe a curious, you know, preteen or teenage boy might actually just Google an image

00:44:24.340 and that's how you get sucked into it.

00:44:26.240 So I think it's probably different initiations, but the end result is the same.

00:44:30.440 It really hurts their souls, their hearts and their minds.

00:44:33.860 It's great to hear somebody like Billie Eilish in the world of rock and roll, you know, music,

00:44:38.460 which is full of debauchery and that's usually celebrated, say something like this, right?

00:44:43.320 The messaging for kids these days is so much the opposite.

00:44:47.580 It's all about like celebrating kink, which now gets taught in the school room and the books

00:44:51.840 that are handed to them.

00:44:52.860 It's great to have somebody like Billie say, hold on.

00:44:56.300 And let me tell you how that continues to damage me to this day.

00:45:00.020 All right.

00:45:00.220 Let me ask you about the Sex and the City reboot.

00:45:04.320 That used to be considered racy back when I was in my 20s.

00:45:07.520 That show was racy.

00:45:09.720 And now they have a reboot, you know, how they do with like friends and the others.

00:45:12.940 And this one's called And Just Like That.

00:45:16.600 It's getting panned because they've woke-ified it.

00:45:19.000 But they're sort of trying to poke fun at woke by showing Miranda, for example, incapable

00:45:23.800 of saying the right thing and stepping all over.

00:45:25.780 She's clearly Red Kendi, D'Angelo.

00:45:28.420 It's getting ripped.

00:45:29.800 The right doesn't like all the nonsense, a hyper obsession on woke.

00:45:33.120 The left doesn't like the way they did the woke characters, keeping them on the periphery

00:45:36.760 and not delving into any of their real characters.

00:45:38.760 It's just there for, you know, truly for color.

00:45:42.080 What do you make of it?

00:45:42.980 You know, my husband and I were talking about this the other day.

00:45:46.760 It was some movie that I can't remember what it was that the company decided they were going.

00:45:52.260 I think it was, oh, it was a show, Gossip Girl, which was big when I was in high school.

00:45:56.820 They're now remaking it with non-binary and woke characters.

00:46:01.180 And my husband and I were like, so do these companies just decide?

00:46:04.160 Do they sit down in a conference room and say, how can we make less money?

00:46:07.560 How can we take something that was really good and popular and make it bad by talking about

00:46:12.560 things that really no one wants to be entertained by and we're probably not going to be able

00:46:17.520 to create in a way that is actually successful?

00:46:20.740 It's so bizarre to me how someone takes something that was actually popular and then seems to

00:46:26.620 purposely make it worse.

00:46:28.840 I don't really get that.

00:46:31.060 I wasn't really a fan of Sex and the City.

00:46:32.680 It was kind of before my time, so I don't really care about its demise.

00:46:36.540 But I think President Trump was correct when he said that everything woke turns to you-know-what.

00:46:43.760 That was correct.

00:46:44.740 That seems to be true.

00:46:47.340 Allie, Beth Stuckey, so good to see you.

00:46:49.360 Thanks for coming on.

00:46:50.840 Thanks so much.

00:46:52.300 Up next, a personal story, not mine, a man's personal story about a vaccine injury that you're

00:46:58.940 not going to want to miss.

00:46:59.800 Don't go away.

00:47:00.320 In recent days, we have been hearing a lot about some serious side effects from the COVID

00:47:10.360 vaccines, especially the Pfizer and Moderna jabs.

00:47:13.940 While very, very rare, they are rare, there's been hundreds of millions of vaccines, they

00:47:19.060 are out there.

00:47:20.920 They do exist.

00:47:21.940 And young men in particular are at risk of developing heart issues.

00:47:26.980 My next guest is one of them.

00:47:29.160 Professional mountain bike racer Kyle Warner is 29 years old and says he started experiencing

00:47:34.100 problems weeks after his second Pfizer shot.

00:47:38.760 Six months later, he is still struggling.

00:47:41.900 Kyle, thank you so much for being here.

00:47:43.160 How are you doing?

00:47:44.400 I'm good.

00:47:44.880 Thank you so much for having me.

00:47:46.040 It'll be kind of a cool little experience to chat with you, and I'm excited just to, yeah,

00:47:49.980 have a convo.

00:47:50.980 Awesome.

00:47:51.440 Me too.

00:47:51.960 Well, I'm sorry that it requires any courage, but I know you've gotten weird backlash for

00:47:56.040 telling this story, which is our country in 2021, soon to be 22.

00:47:59.920 We'll get to that, but let's start at the beginning.

00:48:02.140 So you, you're a, tell us what you do professionally, because I don't understand this world.

00:48:06.720 I actually found it pretty interesting.

00:48:09.200 Yeah.

00:48:09.640 So I'm a professional mountain bike racer.

00:48:11.860 And what that means is we basically climb up to the top of the mountains and then we'll end

00:48:15.360 up racing down kind of single track, almost like hiking trails that are designed

00:48:19.120 for bicycles and it's a timed run.

00:48:21.180 And whoever goes down the trail, the fastest ends up winning.

00:48:23.580 And so they add four or five of those race stages, um, together throughout the weekend

00:48:27.600 and then the lowest cumulative time wins.

00:48:29.860 But on any given day, you know, we'll be pedaling four or five, six hours throughout the day

00:48:35.140 and then racing, you know, three to four stages throughout the day that are two to five minute

00:48:39.320 sprints, sometimes a little bit longer than that, but in a day we'll probably be on the

00:48:43.100 bike for five or six hours.

00:48:44.140 So it's pretty, um, physically intensive for sure.

00:48:46.420 Yeah.

00:48:46.760 You must be incredibly fit.

00:48:48.960 I, yeah, it was for, I definitely was.

00:48:51.400 And I have been in the past.

00:48:52.820 Um, it was one of the things I've worked on really hard ever since I was a teenager.

00:48:56.360 I started racing when I was 16 and basically ever since then.

00:49:00.020 So I think 12, 12 years or so now.

00:49:02.640 Um, yeah, it's been my full-time passion and just everything I love to do.

00:49:06.220 And honestly, it's kind of been what's kept me sane too, like had a pretty rough childhood

00:49:10.900 growing up and, you know, my brother and my mom had a lot of, um, battles with different

00:49:15.420 forms of addiction.

00:49:16.340 And so one of the things that kept me out of that whole world was the bicycle.

00:49:19.520 And then, yeah, it was kind of my ticket to a better life.

00:49:22.420 So I really, I really love it.

00:49:23.980 I miss it a lot.

00:49:25.200 I've read you say, um, something to the, you were asked, what was your most embarrassing

00:49:30.700 moment?

00:49:31.160 You said, well, I, you know, I don't know if I could choose one, but I used to be a chubby

00:49:35.800 kid who got bullied at school, but it was sweet because then you said, but you know

00:49:39.420 what?

00:49:39.680 It was because we were low income and that was the cheap food.

00:49:43.840 And I didn't know any better at that time.

00:49:46.040 And, and you learned more and you turn your life around.

00:49:48.820 You actually took a moment to learn some lessons from it.

00:49:51.660 Yeah.

00:49:52.140 And I think that's one of the saddest things is like, you know, when you are in that

00:49:55.400 situation, especially when we were really low income and I was like the chubby broke

00:49:59.300 kid at school.

00:50:00.240 And I mean, we were just eating wonder bread and top ramen every single day.

00:50:03.580 So I didn't know any better.

00:50:04.860 And that's just kind of the situation I was in.

00:50:07.380 And then once I started to go through schooling, I had a really cool class in junior high that

00:50:10.960 taught me how to read food labels.

00:50:12.720 And then I was like, oh my God, this whole world opened up.

00:50:14.880 And that was when I really kind of took control of my health.

00:50:17.100 And ever since then, it's been a really big passion and focus.

00:50:20.300 And yeah, I've just never really had health issues up until, you know, six months ago.

00:50:24.760 And it just been kind of battling through this whole thing, which has been an eye opener

00:50:28.240 of just kind of how broken the medical system really can be.

00:50:31.040 And yeah, I'd love to, you know, talk about it.

00:50:34.520 But yeah, you know, well, and then I was going to say, and then more and then more bullying

00:50:37.860 came your way.

00:50:39.540 Yeah.

00:50:39.800 And that's been the hardest thing.

00:50:41.420 Like, I've talked to so many different doctors and specialists all around the world that have

00:50:45.760 varying viewpoints.

00:50:46.920 And I think the one thing that is in common is just the fact that we're not having open

00:50:51.260 discourse and we're not allowing for open discourse.

00:50:53.320 And because of that, people are the ones that are suffering, you know, like people are the

00:50:58.700 people that are not getting the proper treatment and they're not actually able to do all these

00:51:02.220 different experimental things.

00:51:03.320 There's really no idea of what's happening in the body and why people are having these

00:51:06.340 reactions.

00:51:07.100 And they're not even really willing to study it because people are afraid of getting

00:51:10.540 canceled or getting, you know, basically their funding pulled or getting fired from their

00:51:13.700 position if they come out against the vaccine, because you're considered anti-vaccine,

00:51:18.360 not pro-science, you know?

00:51:20.340 And I should ask you that.

00:51:21.080 I mean, underneath that, that black baseball cap you're wearing, is there a red cap that

00:51:24.900 reads MAGA?

00:51:25.820 Are you like, I mean, you know, that's what people are going to go to.

00:51:29.200 You know, I've always been an independent and my mom, I mean, my mom's a Democrat who's

00:51:32.920 been that way her whole life.

00:51:34.040 And I don't know, it's, it was funny hearing that because I do live in Boise, Idaho and

00:51:38.340 you know, my girlfriend's from here and it's such a great community here, but I've always

00:51:42.960 been independent and it's just like, I don't know.

00:51:45.460 It's sad that if you have a question, I mean, I got vaccinated, right?

00:51:49.200 And I wasn't one of the people that posted a sticker saying, I did my part, you should

00:51:52.880 do yours too.

00:51:53.600 I just kind of did it in quiet.

00:51:55.300 I just wanted to do my part.

00:51:56.520 In May, you know, our president had said, if you get vaccinated, you don't need to wear

00:52:00.060 a mask.

00:52:00.900 You know, you can't catch COVID, you can't spread COVID, you know, it just kind of opened

00:52:04.600 up all these doors to the possibilities of getting life back to normal.

00:52:07.700 And also it made me feel like I needed to do my part as a citizen.

00:52:11.900 And I mean, all the ads, the thing that really has bugged me the most is it has always said

00:52:16.540 this vaccine is safe and effective period.

00:52:19.780 And there was no side effects may include like, you know, any other ad on TV, if they

00:52:25.020 do an ad for Claritin, it's all the side effects that may happen after that medication.

00:52:29.180 And it's almost like right now, if you even speak about the possibility of a side effect,

00:52:33.640 then you're considered anti-vax, even though, you know, I went through and I did it, obviously

00:52:39.100 like I wasn't anti-vax enough to, to not get it.

00:52:41.940 So I don't know.

00:52:42.680 It's just been weird.

00:52:43.320 I just realized this, like I am pro-vax.

00:52:45.540 I genuinely have that position, but not mandate, but I'm annoyed at the fact that why do I have

00:52:50.740 to keep saying it?

00:52:51.460 It's none of anybody's business, right?

00:52:52.780 It's like, boy, because YouTube gets upset if we do a segment about a vaccine side effect,

00:52:57.200 unless we both say we're pro-vax, well, screw that.

00:52:59.580 What if we're not pro-vax?

00:53:00.480 We are pro-vax, but what if we're not?

00:53:01.720 We should be able to say that and then still do this segment.

00:53:03.920 This is America.

00:53:05.000 All right, let's get to it.

00:53:06.100 So you get your first shot Pfizer in May and it went fine, as I understand, no, no side

00:53:11.680 effects.

00:53:11.940 And then take us to the second shot.

00:53:14.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:15.180 So, you know, my mom actually got vaccinated, I think it was in May or in March or April.

00:53:19.520 So she got it in that timeframe.

00:53:21.060 And then a lot of our neighbors who are nurses and doctors, like we live in a nice neighborhood

00:53:24.500 now.

00:53:25.100 There's a lot of people that are getting vaccinated early on, kind of working in the hospital

00:53:28.820 system.

00:53:29.460 So we talked to them.

00:53:30.460 Everyone had had no problems so far.

00:53:32.440 It was great.

00:53:33.000 And so my girlfriend and I decided to make that decision.

00:53:35.480 We wanted to kind of do our part, went in, got the shots.

00:53:38.700 And the first dose was no problem at all.

00:53:40.960 And I actually, we walked out of there and it was like a good feeling.

00:53:44.160 You know, it was, it felt like we were one step closer to being through this whole ordeal

00:53:48.360 with COVID.

00:53:49.280 And so it was a good feeling.

00:53:50.640 And I was reflecting on that yesterday of how nice it felt to go in, you know, they draw

00:53:55.320 basically this much clear fluid.

00:53:57.500 They inject it in your arm, you're 15 seconds, you're out the door.

00:54:00.460 And I remember thinking like, I wonder why there's such a huge fuss about this.

00:54:05.460 And I, I was naive to the fact that there wasn't, you know, it wasn't even approved.

00:54:09.320 I didn't actually know that, you know, I, I just kind of heard what they were saying on

00:54:13.100 the television.

00:54:13.560 They said, do your part, get vaccinated, safe and effective.

00:54:16.480 You know, you're going to need it at some point.

00:54:18.040 And I was like, okay, let's, let's do it.

00:54:20.200 It must not be that big of a deal.

00:54:21.380 And then come to find out, you know, the second dose, I hadn't had any side effects after

00:54:26.480 the first dose, second dose.

00:54:27.800 I went in and right upon them administering it, I tasted it.

00:54:31.520 And it was kind of like a saline solution taste.

00:54:34.360 It was really weird feeling.

00:54:35.580 But as soon as he injected it, I just felt my whole body kind of flushed and I tasted

00:54:39.320 it really bad.

00:54:40.080 And that didn't go away for a few hours.

00:54:41.820 Like I was still had the remnants of it just in my mouth.

00:54:44.520 And I was like, man, this is so weird.

00:54:46.180 And I started kind of looking online, trying to figure out, is this a normal side effect?

00:54:50.800 Or, you know, is this normal?

00:54:52.420 I asked the guy, he's like, I don't know, you know, I haven't heard anyone talk about that

00:54:56.340 yet.

00:54:56.560 So after that, about two weeks after my second dose, I started to have some weird heart palpitations

00:55:02.680 and basically just throughout the day, I'd be sitting on the couch or, you know, working

00:55:07.240 on the computer and my heart would just kind of run away from me.

00:55:09.900 And what I mean by that is I'd be at a resting heart rate, maybe around 60, just feel really

00:55:14.100 normal.

00:55:14.620 My heart rate would go up to like 110, 120, and I'd get kind of flushed.

00:55:18.600 And then I'd go sit down or lay down and I'd be able to calm it down.

00:55:21.340 And it was to the point where actually just completely cut out all caffeine.

00:55:25.300 I cut out a lot of the sugar, like anything in my diet that I thought could maybe be causing

00:55:29.540 just my heart to kind of be overactive.

00:55:32.780 And so that was going on for about a month, kind of off and on.

00:55:36.420 And then July 12th, I went for my first bike ride really in a few weeks, because I think

00:55:41.880 I rode two weeks after my shot.

00:55:43.680 Then I started to feel a little bit funny, had two more weeks of just downtime, went for

00:55:47.740 another bike ride.

00:55:48.520 And then that's when I had the big episode of my heart kind of running away from me.

00:55:51.680 And I ended up in the ER the first time.

00:55:54.360 Whoa.

00:55:54.700 Can you describe that?

00:55:56.920 Yeah.

00:55:57.140 So, you know, my girlfriend and I went on a bike ride and just super normal.

00:56:00.680 And we were climbing for maybe five to eight minutes.

00:56:04.040 And usually your heart rate will get up when you're climbing, obviously, because it's not

00:56:07.440 a big deal.

00:56:08.140 But I started to feel kind of just like flushed and a little bit sick.

00:56:11.260 And I wasn't sure what was going on.

00:56:12.720 And one of our friends that was with us was like, dude, you don't look good.

00:56:16.040 Like, what's going on?

00:56:17.520 You know, and I was like, man, I don't feel good.

00:56:19.620 I don't feel normal.

00:56:20.880 I don't know what's going on.

00:56:21.740 So we went back down to the van and I laid down and I was like deep breathing, just kind of resting,

00:56:26.340 trying to figure out what was going on.

00:56:27.820 And I couldn't get my heart rate to come down below 130.

00:56:31.080 And it just kind of stuck there.

00:56:32.980 And so the way I was measuring that is I had a, you know, Garmin activity monitor.

00:56:36.540 And so I was looking at that and I couldn't get it to come down.

00:56:39.200 And so we ended up heading to the hospital.

00:56:40.820 And, um, yeah, I sat there for three and a half hours in the waiting room and was just

00:56:45.240 telling them like, something's up with my heart.

00:56:47.380 I don't know what's going on.

00:56:48.660 And, you know, I think earlier that week or a day or two prior, I had read the big press

00:56:53.720 release where it said, um, heart issue or, you know, pericarditis, myocarditis possible

00:56:58.680 with the vaccine.

00:57:00.300 And it said MRNA vaccine.

00:57:01.700 So I just kind of catalog that I was like, oh, that's really interesting.

00:57:04.660 I never, I didn't know that was a possibility when I got the shot.

00:57:07.620 And then now I'm like, oh, it's interesting that in Europe, especially they're seeing

00:57:10.900 a lot of people have issues in young men with their heart.

00:57:14.120 And so when I went into the hospital, I said, I don't know what's going on with my heart.

00:57:17.380 I think it may be a reaction to the vaccine.

00:57:19.880 Cause I got the Pfizer vaccine, you know, about a month ago and I've never had heart issues

00:57:24.240 before, you know, so I'm just kind of ruling things out.

00:57:27.220 I'm like, I don't know if you guys have seen this, but they are linking a heart issue.

00:57:29.740 I'm having this new heart issue after getting the shot.

00:57:32.080 And the guy was super dismissive about it and said, no, you're not.

00:57:36.640 You're totally fine.

00:57:37.460 And he's like, have you tried pooping lately?

00:57:39.460 I was like, yeah, I don't think it's that.

00:57:41.720 He's like, sometimes when you have a tachycardia and you like bear down, like you need to poop,

00:57:45.480 it'll reset your heart rate.

00:57:47.300 And I was like, I don't think that's what's going on, man.

00:57:50.400 I think there's something else going on.

00:57:51.920 So anyways, long story short, I was in the hospital, I think six to seven hours that day,

00:57:56.680 just in the waiting room, they did a EKG.

00:57:59.500 So they monitored everything and, you know, they're basically like, we don't know what's going

00:58:02.840 on.

00:58:03.200 Um, our best bet is just give you an anti-inflammatory, see if that can help.

00:58:07.740 So they gave me a big injection of Toradol, which kind of helped us calm everything down.

00:58:11.520 And then, um, yeah, it was interesting.

00:58:13.680 Cause then the doctor came in and was talking to me about how he said, Hey, when I was in

00:58:17.440 medical school, I had a lot of workload.

00:58:19.060 I was really stressed out and I got put on antidepressants and kind of anti-anxiety medication

00:58:23.720 and it really helped me a lot.

00:58:25.100 And I think that would be beneficial for you too.

00:58:27.620 And, you know, I was like, thank you.

00:58:29.620 But you know, no, thank you.

00:58:31.780 I think this is just a heart thing I'm dealing with.

00:58:33.760 I don't, I'm only anxious now because my heart is racing and I'm worried about my heart.

00:58:38.020 Yeah.

00:58:38.400 And that was one of the things that was kind of funny to me looking back is just the fact

00:58:42.020 that there, there's a lot of people now that are going through the same experience that

00:58:46.020 are all being diagnosed early on as like an anxiety attack or an anxiety or depression

00:58:49.860 issue.

00:58:50.940 And I just think it's funny that all these people made it through the pandemic that whole

00:58:55.400 year of 2020, you know, without any anxiety or depression issues.

00:58:58.780 And then you get this vaccine and now you're anxious and that's why you're having these

00:59:02.880 issues.

00:59:03.380 Well, here's, here's the other question, Kyle, when you were telling your story, I thought,

00:59:06.020 okay, so I'm, I'm 51 now, but when I was 27, um, I did have racing heart rate and I went

00:59:12.820 to the doctor and they diagnosed a heart murmur and, um, I was like, maybe he's got a heart

00:59:17.620 murmur and, but you had the tests that I had that showed a heart murmur.

00:59:21.900 Like they looked at your heart and they haven't found that.

00:59:24.780 Yeah, they looked at it.

00:59:25.600 Yeah.

00:59:25.960 They looked at it really briefly on the EKG and then that was kind of enough for them

00:59:29.140 to say, you know, your heart rate's really high.

00:59:31.320 Like my resting heart rate, even in the hospital bed was like 110.

00:59:34.740 And so then I finally, after the tour at all, it kind of just like knocked me out almost

00:59:38.740 and got me to be super relaxed.

00:59:40.340 And then my heart rate dropped to 90 something.

00:59:42.280 And he's like, look, you're normal.

00:59:44.620 And I was like, no, I'm on drugs.

00:59:46.940 Yeah.

00:59:47.340 I'm like my resting heart rate's usually 55.

00:59:49.980 And so I told him this is almost double my normal heart rate, you know, and it might look

00:59:54.480 weird because I'm an athlete.

00:59:55.400 So it doesn't look like it's really, really, really elevated.

00:59:58.300 But for me, it's almost double my normal heart rate.

01:00:00.560 And that was, I think, one of the things that was a struggle point is if you're a healthy

01:00:04.720 young person, it's really difficult for them to kind of diagnose a lot of things.

01:00:08.760 It seems like just because you don't fit the norms.

01:00:11.060 And so if you're having a problem, they're like, well, it must not be that bad.

01:00:14.320 But it was it was enough for me to feel like I was going to, you know, potentially have

01:00:17.920 a heart heart attack or have something happen.

01:00:20.160 And well, that's exactly the group that is getting this.

01:00:22.660 The heart side effects is young men and also to to a lesser extent, some women.

01:00:26.700 But it's young people.

01:00:27.580 It's it's people in your age group, over 12 and under 40, 19 group.

01:00:32.640 So there's a big support group that kind of pulled me in throughout the past few months.

01:00:35.520 And they said that the average age of the vaccine injury is 33 years old.

01:00:40.100 And that was before they approved it for the five to 12 year olds.

01:00:43.220 So it is affecting younger, younger people disproportionately, which is kind of why I

01:00:48.220 think this is such a good conversation that needs to be had, because if it's affecting

01:00:51.780 younger people who are theoretically at lower risk of COVID, but then the older people who

01:00:56.820 are at higher risk of COVID are not being as affected, then I mean, that that's something

01:01:01.660 we should look into, right?

01:01:02.580 Like if you're going to push people to be mandated to get this when they're very, very,

01:01:06.360 very low risk of COVID, and then they're at a higher risk of vaccine injury versus the

01:01:12.020 older people who maybe are at a really high risk of COVID and a low risk of vaccine injury.

01:01:16.220 And, you know, when you ask those questions of like, why is this happening there?

01:01:20.380 The doctors aren't even really allowed to discuss it or talk about it together or in

01:01:24.780 public because it's looked at as a taboo subject.

01:01:27.580 And a lot of the doctors I'm working with talking with now, they're basically saying there's

01:01:32.440 a few components at play.

01:01:33.560 But one of the big things that could be happening is an autoimmune issue.

01:01:37.560 And basically, the more robust your immune response, the more likely you are to have

01:01:41.860 this reaction.

01:01:43.020 Or it could be that if you're a more vascular, young, fit person, then it's maybe a little

01:01:48.300 bit more likely they're going to accidentally inject it into a capillary or into your bloodstream.

01:01:52.700 So there could be some very simple things that we could adjust to try to figure out what's

01:01:56.720 going on.

01:01:57.300 But I just think it's sad that we're not even able to have this conversation.

01:02:00.920 Well, yeah, no, look at I mean, this is why all these professional athletes are very

01:02:03.600 wary about taking the vaccine.

01:02:05.520 They have they make their livings off of their their athleticism, their bodies, their

01:02:11.280 fitness, their wellness, and their systems are going pretty well.

01:02:15.100 You're making millions of dollars in the NBA or the NFL, and they don't want to mess with

01:02:18.280 it.

01:02:18.780 And they're being told they must.

01:02:20.160 I read you say you're not anti-vax, which you established.

01:02:23.660 You said, quote, I believe where there is risk, there needs to be choice where there is

01:02:28.600 risk.

01:02:29.040 There needs to be choice.

01:02:30.880 So well said.

01:02:32.700 Yeah, and I mean, that's kind of where it goes back to those commercials where it says

01:02:36.400 COVID vaccines are safe and effective, period.

01:02:39.820 Come in and get your shot today.

01:02:41.720 They're not saying these are predominantly safe and effective, and most people will do

01:02:46.300 completely fine because that seems to be the case is out of the millions and millions

01:02:49.760 of doses, most people are fine.

01:02:51.600 But if you are one of those few people that's at a higher risk of a reaction and you do have

01:02:55.660 a reaction, then right now the kind of sentiment is just like, you know, screw off.

01:03:00.960 You know, we don't want to deal with you.

01:03:02.180 And it's really it seems angry.

01:03:04.160 It does seem like anger results to the people who have come out and said vaccine injuries,

01:03:07.640 disbelief, gaslighting, and then anger from the very same people who who push us all to

01:03:12.820 get them and call us bad if we don't.

01:03:14.640 It's like, how are you how can we live in a society like that where you get shamed if

01:03:18.340 you choose not to get it?

01:03:19.400 You finally get shamed or mandated into getting it.

01:03:21.780 You do your part.

01:03:22.440 You get it.

01:03:23.060 And then if you say something happened to me, you're the bad guy.

01:03:26.700 Yeah.

01:03:26.920 And I mean, I I can understand where they're coming from, from a standpoint of fear.

01:03:33.340 You know, like at the end of the day, COVID has been just a nightmare for so many people.

01:03:38.480 And it's just so many people want to get through this and want to get over it.

01:03:42.240 And they don't want to have to be afraid of what's going on.

01:03:44.680 And if you're based on an operating system of fear and you're afraid of COVID right now,

01:03:49.360 and you're just like scared, you want COVID to be over.

01:03:51.400 And there's a solution.

01:03:52.780 And, you know, all the media that you're watching is telling you this is completely safe and

01:03:56.320 effective and people aren't getting it just because they're shills or, you know, they're

01:03:59.920 just they're idiots.

01:04:01.000 It's like, no, there's actually a lot of data that's conflicting on on this.

01:04:06.300 You know, there's there's both sides of science.

01:04:08.320 And that's one thing that's been tough is they say trust the science.

01:04:11.080 But what side, you know, because if you want me to trust this side, then I can show all

01:04:15.340 the data showing all the injuries.

01:04:16.420 And then, you know, you look at this side, you show all the data showing that it's completely

01:04:19.920 safe and effective.

01:04:20.880 But if that's the case, then why does the drug company have zero liability?

01:04:25.020 You know, it's like they because they were granted zero liability by by the feds in order

01:04:29.200 to get them to get these vaccines and also keep the cost low.

01:04:32.740 Yeah.

01:04:33.160 And I thought it was interesting.

01:04:34.700 Oh, sorry.

01:04:35.420 I thought it was interesting, too, that there's been such a hard push to say, you know, these shots

01:04:39.580 are free.

01:04:40.100 You know, come down and get your free shot.

01:04:42.060 It's like it's not free.

01:04:43.880 It's it's free to you.

01:04:45.040 But someone's paying, you know, and and someone's making money.

01:04:47.760 And that's been the whole thing with me speaking out on this whole topic.

01:04:50.780 Like, I'm not trying to discourage people.

01:04:52.700 I'm not trying to be, you know, create vaccine hesitancy.

01:04:55.760 But from my friends, I know that are not vaccinated.

01:04:58.640 One of the reasons that they're hesitant to get vaccinated is for one, it seems like there's

01:05:03.180 a lot being hidden and there's a lot being censored.

01:05:05.520 And it makes them feel, you know, they don't want to trust what's going on because they're

01:05:08.920 like, if you guys are running 10 million dollar lotteries in California for me to get vaccinated,

01:05:13.400 like, why?

01:05:14.900 You know, like what's going on?

01:05:16.380 And that's just where they're coming from.

01:05:18.240 So I think I'm trying to do my part and just open this conversation up.

01:05:21.020 And there has been a lot of great data coming out.

01:05:24.020 And I've had several friends who were not vaccinated, who watched my interview with Dr.

01:05:28.340 John Campbell, where he really kind of went into the depth of aspirating or pulling back

01:05:33.140 on the syringe to make sure you don't get it in a blood vessel or a vein.

01:05:36.820 And after they watched that video, they went and got vaccinated and asked the nurse to aspirate.

01:05:41.440 So, you know, there's people that are right on the edge and they just want more information.

01:05:45.060 It's not like because that was that was one theory that that may be the reason you felt

01:05:49.000 you had that weird taste in your mouth immediately was that it didn't go into your muscle.

01:05:52.380 It went into a vessel, which the doctor suggested could be to blame.

01:05:56.340 I want to get into the other symptoms and what specifically we think is wrong.

01:06:01.760 So, Kyle, you posted a video in the midst of dealing with the racing heartbeat and trying

01:06:12.540 to figure it out.

01:06:13.200 We condensed just a short soundbite to show people kind of what you were dealing with.

01:06:16.720 This is soundbite 14.

01:06:19.700 So this is just from walking in from the truck, basically just come out there to here.

01:06:26.900 It went from 110 to 130.

01:06:28.460 And then as soon as I start walking, it just starts to rise.

01:06:32.580 So I just changed my shorts and I'm at 142 now.

01:06:37.440 I don't know what's going on.

01:06:39.680 You know, I mean, 142 looks like exercise for even a non fit person who's relatively thin.

01:06:46.080 Yeah.

01:06:46.320 And I guess we didn't I didn't do a very good job of kind of finishing up my hospital story.

01:06:50.280 But after I ended up in the first hospital, they discharged me four days later, I ended up

01:06:54.520 back in the hospital with like a really severe heart cramp and then like really severe

01:06:58.240 burning.

01:06:58.640 And I thought I was having kind of a minor heart attack.

01:07:00.880 We went in, they listened to me a lot better.

01:07:02.700 I went to a different hospital this time.

01:07:04.000 And then they referred me to a cardiologist kind of right away.

01:07:06.880 I went in, I got an echocardiogram and like the ultrasound on your heart.

01:07:10.680 And they found that I had pericarditis, which is one of the known effects of the vaccine

01:07:15.700 injury from the mRNA vaccines.

01:07:17.240 And then a few months later, so I was dealing with that.

01:07:20.520 I got put on a course of colchicine or colchicine, which colchicine.

01:07:24.180 But anyways, it's a medication for reducing the pericarditis.

01:07:27.280 I was on that for a few months.

01:07:29.240 They ended up doing a cardiac MRI, got that all cleared.

01:07:31.720 And I was still having a lot of symptoms.

01:07:33.380 And then we did a stress test and I got diagnosed with something called POTS, which is postural

01:07:37.800 orthostatic tachycardia syndrome.

01:07:39.700 So that was where a lot of my issues were coming from.

01:07:41.720 And then I've also been dealing with a really elevated IgE level and a lot of new allergies,

01:07:46.800 which I've been kind of, we're figuring out is one of the components of all the joint pain

01:07:51.220 that I've been dealing with as well.

01:07:52.380 So I didn't do a good job of explaining that at first, but.

01:07:54.920 No, no.

01:07:55.240 What's IgE?

01:07:56.860 The IgE is like your immunoglobulin type E.

01:08:00.000 So I guess from my understanding, it's kind of a marker of how much inflammation response

01:08:07.040 you're going to have to different allergens entering your system.

01:08:10.220 So like a healthy IgE level is something under 115 and then like a high IgE level.

01:08:16.540 So if someone who's going to have a really bad kind of inflammation response, that's going

01:08:20.600 to be around a 250.

01:08:22.020 And then my IgE level is 883.

01:08:24.960 So the doctor told me my allergist was like, this is one of the highest we've seen and we

01:08:29.360 don't know what's going on.

01:08:30.200 And they did like a full skin panel and I was allergic to almost everything now.

01:08:34.700 And it was just really weird because I've never had those issues.

01:08:36.560 But when I kind of put that out there and we're trying to figure this out with this

01:08:39.760 giant support group of people and a lot of other people are having the same things where

01:08:44.020 they're having chronic joint pain.

01:08:45.420 And then after they kind of address their diet or like eliminate a ton of things or do

01:08:50.060 long-term fast, then they can get a lot of their symptoms to kind of reduce.

01:08:53.900 But they put it, they put the beginning point at the vaccine, you know, because a lot of

01:08:57.420 that stuff can just happen to you as you get older.

01:08:58.880 Yeah, I mean, that definitely could happen.

01:09:02.120 And, um, I guess the biggest thing was the pericarditis is an inflammation response of

01:09:06.320 the heart and then the POTS is also kind of another, yeah, inflammatory response.

01:09:10.880 And then also having all these new sensitivities and allergies and just chronic joint pain.

01:09:15.100 Um, at first they thought I had reactive arthritis, which is sometimes a side effect of things like

01:09:19.960 this, but now they're thinking more of, it's just like a chronic inflammation from something

01:09:24.740 called mast cell activation syndrome.

01:09:26.600 And so they gave me a new medication I've been taking for a couple of weeks now.

01:09:29.980 That's been helping a lot.

01:09:30.980 Um, just reduce my day-to-day pain, which has been awesome.

01:09:33.940 So are you one of those people who's at the doctor all the time?

01:09:36.500 Like, I think I've got cancer.

01:09:37.780 I've got this, I've got, you know what I mean?

01:09:39.200 Before this, were you that guy?

01:09:41.280 No, I, that was kind of the hard thing is I had to find a primary doctor to help deal

01:09:46.000 with me through this whole process.

01:09:47.500 So I hadn't had a primary doctor.

01:09:49.440 I don't think since I was maybe like 11, somewhere in that age.

01:09:52.800 And then the only time I've been to the hospital really for anything in the past 10,

01:09:56.640 15 years has been broken bones.

01:09:58.440 I was going to say, let me guess, given what you do.

01:10:00.660 Yeah.

01:10:01.140 You saw an orthopod.

01:10:01.980 No, I, I haven't had really any health issues at all.

01:10:04.880 So that's why this has been so frustrating.

01:10:06.640 And, you know, I've had over 25 doctors and hospital visits in the past few months.

01:10:10.760 And it sucks because I feel like a drain on the hospital system now.

01:10:13.680 Cause I'm just constantly in there doing different scans and tests and MRIs and CT angiograms.

01:10:18.420 And like all these different things, we're trying to figure out what's going on.

01:10:21.480 And I don't know, it's just, it sucks.

01:10:23.780 Cause when I, like, when I go to my cardiologist office, I sit down in the waiting room and

01:10:27.700 it's all like 60 and 70 year old guys that are around me.

01:10:30.120 And I'm just like a young athlete.

01:10:32.060 And they're like, why are you in here?

01:10:33.440 And I just tell them, yeah, I had a, I had a bad reaction to the, to the COVID-19 vaccine.

01:10:37.520 And then, and then the nurse comes over and puts her hand over your mouth.

01:10:40.780 Yeah.

01:10:41.160 That's been happening lately a lot more.

01:10:43.200 Like I had a really disheartening meeting with my doctor, with my primary doctor yesterday.

01:10:47.200 And I don't know, it's just been tough.

01:10:49.080 Like you saw, I guess that Instagram post I did where it kind of broke down just because

01:10:53.260 I feel like all I've been trying to do this whole time is just advocate for conversation.

01:10:57.440 Like I'm not telling anyone what to do or what not to do.

01:11:00.020 I'm just saying here is a data point and if the government isn't acknowledging it and

01:11:05.320 like the drug companies aren't acknowledging it, then at least I can share it.

01:11:08.640 And you guys can kind of help, you know, form a decision around this, at least knowing this

01:11:12.280 is possible.

01:11:13.460 And also help people shortcut if they do have an injury or they're having issues, maybe

01:11:17.320 they could say, Hey, I think it's from this.

01:11:19.080 And I don't know, but it's been tough.

01:11:21.080 Cause like my, my doctor had a, I had a hard conversation with her yesterday and she was

01:11:25.620 basically like, I can't write you an exemption for any boosters.

01:11:28.220 I can't, um, I asked her if I, yeah, it was crazy.

01:11:31.940 Cause I told her, Hey, if for traveling or for anything in the future, if I need to get

01:11:36.460 a booster, like, will you write me an exemption?

01:11:38.720 She's like, well, they're not requiring it for that yet.

01:11:41.500 I said, yeah, but they said they're going to reevaluate the definition of fully vaccinated.

01:11:45.440 And I'm assuming that that will mean at some point I'll need to be fully vaccinated to travel

01:11:50.000 or do anything.

01:11:50.620 Right.

01:11:51.300 And she said, yeah, but I can't write you a blanket exemption from this vaccine.

01:11:55.520 And she said, if something happens, like we can figure it out down the road, but something

01:11:59.760 happened, current policy.

01:12:00.940 Yeah.

01:12:01.260 She's like, with current policy, I'm not able to write you an exemption.

01:12:04.060 And so I was like, that's insane.

01:12:06.620 What do you mean?

01:12:07.360 She's like, your, your reaction as of now was not bad enough to threat you an exemption.

01:12:12.680 I'm like, all right.

01:12:13.240 So I haven't been able to work.

01:12:14.140 You have to find a different doctor.

01:12:15.340 She's a kook.

01:12:16.140 Get rid of her.

01:12:17.240 Well, I'm trying to, but it's hard the way that my insurance is structured now.

01:12:20.920 It's like, I have to go through her for a lot of the referrals and everything.

01:12:23.320 And it's just been tough.

01:12:24.520 Like one of the things that's been helping a lot of people, um, Brianne, who's a leader

01:12:28.700 of the react 19 support group, she has been doing intravenous immunoglobulin treatment.

01:12:33.540 It's called IVIG.

01:12:35.060 And there's a lot of data showing that it's helping people with post-vaccine syndrome.

01:12:38.620 And we're not really sure what the mechanism is, but it's been helping a lot of the people

01:12:41.760 with more neuropathy.

01:12:42.900 So like neurological issues.

01:12:44.840 And so I asked my doctor about that and she's like, it's not an approved treatment for what you

01:12:48.980 have going on.

01:12:49.520 So I can't do anything, you know, and, and same with kind of everything else that's

01:12:52.600 happening right now, since, since there is no infrastructure built around what are the

01:12:56.740 possible side effects and what are the possible treatments, then you're just kind of out of

01:13:01.800 luck, you know?

01:13:02.400 And it's so frustrating.

01:13:03.760 Like Botox is not an approved treatment for wrinkles, but it works.

01:13:07.860 Not everything gets the final stamp of approval.

01:13:10.460 And by the way, as you point out the vaccines, they've been giving them to adults and kids without

01:13:15.260 the final stamp of approval for some time.

01:13:17.500 So it's like, why are we allowed to have the vaccine when it's not, doesn't have final

01:13:20.660 approval, but you can't have some of the treatments according to her, unless they've gotten the

01:13:24.020 final seal.

01:13:25.460 Yeah.

01:13:25.560 That's, what's been tough is like, I just keep telling people and a lot of the people

01:13:28.440 in the support group, I think there's almost 10,000 people now in this react 19 support

01:13:31.860 group.

01:13:32.380 And what's crazy is that so many of us have the same story where we went to the doctor,

01:13:37.900 got diagnosed with anxiety, got diagnosed with, you know, Oh, you're just maybe crazy.

01:13:41.420 Maybe you're schizophrenic.

01:13:42.360 We don't know what's going on.

01:13:43.220 Cause you think that this is from the vaccine, it's like, no, I'm having severe neuropathy

01:13:47.880 or there's been several cases of transverse myelitis as well, which is where basically

01:13:52.420 your spinal cord gets attacked or kind of implicated in this reaction.

01:13:55.840 And there's been a few people that have been paralyzed from this, including one of our

01:13:59.760 friends, Maddie, who's 13.

01:14:01.420 And she was actually in the Pfizer clinical trial at 12 years old.

01:14:05.240 So she was in the 12 year old trial to approve it for five to 12 year olds.

01:14:08.460 And she got paralyzed and she's been in a wheelchair since December of 2020.

01:14:13.140 And they dropped her from the clinical trial data.

01:14:15.580 They didn't cite her as a adverse reaction.

01:14:17.680 They cited her as a stomach ache in the data and push that data through to get it approved.

01:14:22.020 You know, it's like, wait, wait, wait.

01:14:23.300 And it sounds crazy.

01:14:24.000 At what age?

01:14:25.100 12?

01:14:25.840 At 12.

01:14:26.720 So she's 13 now, but Maddie DeGaray and she spoke in DC at that big press conference we

01:14:31.400 did, um, with Senator Johnson and all those people.

01:14:34.180 But it's just tough because, you know, before this, I, I wouldn't have believed all the things

01:14:40.240 that are going on.

01:14:41.260 And, you know, I had no, I had no reason to believe it.

01:14:45.340 You know, I had no, no reason to even understand what was happening.

01:14:48.800 And now it's just like, I don't know.

01:14:51.080 I don't know what to do knowing that I know these people, you know, I'm friends with Maddie and

01:14:54.880 I see her in a wheelchair and I know that it was from the Pfizer clinical trial and I

01:14:58.560 know that she wasn't counted.

01:14:59.660 So it's just tough.

01:15:01.160 No, it's deeply disturbing.

01:15:02.160 No, we had another gentleman on the show whose wife was very pro vaccine.

01:15:05.360 She volunteered for the vaccine trial.

01:15:06.940 That's, I mean, you're super pro vaccine if you volunteer for the trial.

01:15:09.720 And, um, she was seriously wounded and they, they took her out of the numbers as well and

01:15:15.400 really have gone dark on them now.

01:15:17.280 Um, but I do, I do want to ask you about the emotional toll because being told over and

01:15:22.480 over, you're crazy people turning on you as though you're anti-vax or trying to hurt the

01:15:27.440 country just because you're speaking out about this.

01:15:29.740 Um, I know it's stressful and you did, you, you, you posted that follow-up video.

01:15:35.760 Uh, this is just this past November.

01:15:37.260 As I understand it, it's after you went to, um, Senator Ron Johnson's event where he had

01:15:41.600 people speak out about the vaccines and he invited Fauci and he invited Collins.

01:15:47.080 He invited everybody and they didn't come.

01:15:49.080 They didn't want to hear from you guys.

01:15:50.360 They didn't care.

01:15:51.680 Um, so you took to the internet and posted a very emotional video.

01:15:55.500 We have just a clip cut.

01:15:57.060 Here it is.

01:15:57.620 Yeah.

01:15:59.720 I don't, I don't know what to do.

01:16:01.380 Like, I hate my life so much right now.

01:16:05.760 And this, this sad thing is that it's like, like I'm getting attacked from both sides so

01:16:15.900 hard and I'm just a dude, like I'm just a guy.

01:16:19.440 I'm trying to just do the right thing.

01:16:21.240 I just want to share my story.

01:16:23.020 What got you to that point, Kyle?

01:16:28.080 Um, that was a really tough day.

01:16:30.460 Like that morning.

01:16:32.440 So I was driving to a doctor's appointment and basically these two women just, I, I don't

01:16:38.660 know, it's hard to explain, but that breakdown was about 30% people just kind of constantly

01:16:44.340 just coming and attacking and attacking and attacking.

01:16:46.520 And then it was about 30% taking on the load of all the injured people.

01:16:51.180 Cause I become like this conduit for all these injured people to reach out and ask me for

01:16:55.400 help and what I'm doing.

01:16:56.620 And then it was about 40% just getting back from DC, realizing that Fauci didn't care,

01:17:02.740 realizing that the CEOs of Moderna and Pfizer, they don't care, realizing that none of the

01:17:06.720 senators showed up in support, realizing that we were just, we're an inconvenience right

01:17:12.620 now.

01:17:13.180 And we're in the way of them making a ton of money unobstructed.

01:17:16.220 And that was a big part of it too.

01:17:17.940 It's just, it was a feeling of like, just hopelessness in a lot of ways.

01:17:21.820 And then that morning, these two women just kept coming at me so hard.

01:17:26.040 And I, you know, basically saying you're a piece of shit, you're a bad person.

01:17:30.560 What's your agenda?

01:17:31.340 What are you trying to get out of this?

01:17:32.380 Why are you trying to get famous?

01:17:33.380 Like, you know, what are you doing?

01:17:34.880 And I was like, I hope you realize that by me speaking out, I've lost a lot of friends.

01:17:39.940 I've lost a lot of family, you know, that is very pro vaccine.

01:17:43.440 And they're saying you shouldn't speak out.

01:17:45.460 You shouldn't have this conversation because it's creating hesitancy.

01:17:49.060 And then I've also had some sponsors, like most of them have been amazing, but it's just

01:17:53.580 been a really strenuous relationship with, with some of them as well, because like, I

01:17:57.800 haven't been able to work in six months and, you know, our way of life has changed drastically.

01:18:01.440 I haven't really been able to function really at all.

01:18:05.100 And especially not on a bicycle.

01:18:06.560 And so it's just been really hard.

01:18:08.600 And, you know, the lady's like, what's your agenda and how much money did you make from

01:18:11.600 that Dr. Campbell interview?

01:18:12.920 And I told her, you know, Dr. Campbell donated all the money from that, that interview to a

01:18:17.600 charity in Africa.

01:18:18.720 And she's like, well, let me see the receipts.

01:18:20.520 I'm like, that's not, that's not my thing to do.

01:18:23.640 That was his, his thing, you know, and then somebody online, and then they created new

01:18:27.400 accounts, just kept attacking like that.

01:18:30.260 Yeah.

01:18:30.660 It's just hard because I don't know.

01:18:35.220 I'm afraid for where we're going as a country, honestly, because I understand that if people

01:18:40.340 are saying just nonsensical, completely dangerous things, that that's a problem.

01:18:46.220 But it's almost like everyone right now is acting as an affiliate marketing agent for

01:18:51.820 Pfizer and Moderna and Johnson and Johnson.

01:18:54.080 And it feels unrealistic and unauthentic, you know, and you see all the, the news places

01:18:59.900 that are sponsored by Pfizer, sponsored by Moderna.

01:19:01.900 And it's like, how are we supposed to have an honest conversation if you're only hearing

01:19:06.720 from one side?

01:19:07.660 And then if there is this one side, that's like this small group of people, they're just

01:19:11.180 getting completely silenced.

01:19:12.320 And I don't know, that's, that's where that kind of came from.

01:19:15.960 Have you, have you been in touch with Pfizer at all directly?

01:19:20.380 No, no one's ever talked to me from them and from VAERS too.

01:19:23.300 You know, I submitted to the VAERS database, never heard from anybody there.

01:19:26.200 Even after we did the press conference in DC, never heard from a single representative.

01:19:31.180 I never heard from the Idaho representatives.

01:19:32.960 I never heard from anybody.

01:19:34.940 The only person who's been willing to like stand up and talk about this at all has been Senator

01:19:39.660 Johnson and he's gotten just torn apart for it among other things he's done, you know,

01:19:44.300 but like, I will tell you that when we went there, he treated everyone that spoke with

01:19:49.020 courtesy.

01:19:49.680 He gave us all a big hug.

01:19:51.260 He was very kind and wanted us to just get our message out.

01:19:54.240 And I just gave him a huge hug.

01:19:55.880 And I said, thank you for actually listening.

01:19:57.800 You know, like, like you said, when you're just constantly being told you're crazy, it wears

01:20:02.760 on you and it makes you feel crazy.

01:20:04.640 It makes you feel like a bad person.

01:20:05.920 And one of the women in the support group that was there speaking, she came up to me

01:20:10.760 and she gave me a hug and she just was crying.

01:20:12.400 And she said, thank you for speaking out because you're one of the few guys that had an audience

01:20:17.840 before this happened to you.

01:20:19.280 And so because of that, it's harder for people to say you're crazy, you know, because they

01:20:24.440 can look back and they can see, no, you already had an audience.

01:20:28.080 You know, what do you have to gain from this?

01:20:29.420 You have nothing to gain.

01:20:30.700 You know, you've always been a very positive person.

01:20:33.060 You've never been political.

01:20:34.060 You've never really gotten involved in any of this.

01:20:35.820 Like the only political thing I ever did my whole life was get a public pump track,

01:20:39.900 like a free bike track built for kids in my hometown when I was 22.

01:20:43.780 You know, it's like that's the only thing I've ever done.

01:20:45.900 And you're not a hypochondriac or a constant medical seeker.

01:20:50.220 None of the red flags that would normally go up on a person's testimonial are there.

01:20:55.280 None of them.

01:20:55.880 But they're I'm watching you, Kyle, and I feel like they're driving you there.

01:21:00.260 You know, that that video with the you know, you were talking about how you're not going

01:21:05.720 to commit suicide.

01:21:06.580 And I believe you.

01:21:08.020 I trust you on that.

01:21:09.260 But that you're thinking about it more and more.

01:21:12.720 Yeah.

01:21:12.900 It's that was just in November.

01:21:14.740 Why?

01:21:15.140 Yeah, it's constant.

01:21:17.700 I mean, it's just it feels easier to give up at some point, you know, and it's just

01:21:21.420 like I know that's not the right thing to do.

01:21:23.760 And one of the guys I know who's an ex-military guy, he said something really profound.

01:21:27.840 And he said, when you commit suicide, all you do is you take all of your pain and you

01:21:33.000 pass it on to your loved ones.

01:21:34.180 And so I know that that's not an option, but it's just it's hard to see a way out of

01:21:43.180 this without just getting completely discredited and being told you're crazy.

01:21:48.080 And like, Megan, at the end of the day, all I want to do is I just want to like help other

01:21:53.300 people that are going through this because I know how difficult it is.

01:21:56.140 And this happened to me.

01:21:57.780 My big reaction, like July 12th, I believe, was the first day that I was in the hospital

01:22:01.860 and I spent almost three full months just completely silent because when it first happened

01:22:08.260 to me, it wasn't as welcome of a conversation.

01:22:11.980 And I was scared to say anything.

01:22:14.200 And then I posted a really, really just super neutral video on our YouTube channel and said,

01:22:19.900 hey, this isn't a this isn't about the vaccine.

01:22:22.480 This isn't anything.

01:22:23.140 This is just why we've been quiet for a few months.

01:22:25.640 And after that, Dr.

01:22:27.260 Campbell saw that video and he heard that I had tasted the shot.

01:22:30.740 And he's like, oh, my God, I think this is because they didn't aspirate it.

01:22:34.200 And so he kind of brought me on to do an interview with him.

01:22:37.120 And then a week later, we were in D.C. or two weeks later.

01:22:39.720 And then it's just been like this snowball.

01:22:41.440 And I feel like I was living my life kind of on this little platform of, you know, the

01:22:45.600 biking channel and helping people learn how to ride bikes and just do a better job of

01:22:49.200 getting out and having positive mental health outlets.

01:22:51.180 And then I got yanked into this conversation and I'm seeing what's happening and I'm seeing

01:22:57.520 that it's a problem and that there's a lot of atrocities being done to people just from

01:23:01.700 the drug companies that are making all the money and also from their medical providers

01:23:05.800 who are afraid to diagnose them with anything.

01:23:08.380 And so this is a problem.

01:23:10.360 And I feel like as an as an adult American male, it's my duty to actually just like shed

01:23:15.640 light on it.

01:23:16.400 You know, if I just hid from it, it would be the wrong thing to do.

01:23:19.160 But yeah, I did.

01:23:20.680 I did have to take a month off because it's like, yeah, I wasn't in a good place.

01:23:25.120 And it's hard because that stress, it affects your healing, too, you know, and I've been

01:23:28.500 getting a lot better slowly and it's been six months.

01:23:30.780 But like I said, in my Dr.

01:23:32.480 Campbell interview, a lot of people start to seem quite a bit better at eight or nine

01:23:36.060 months.

01:23:36.920 And if you look at how the vaccines wane over time, it's interesting that it kind of

01:23:41.580 correlates to that time that they're saying, hey, we need to get a booster to re-up

01:23:45.440 this.

01:23:45.700 So maybe there's some component where, you know, when the vaccine is at its most robust

01:23:50.980 protection and your body has the most heightened immune system, maybe there's some reaction

01:23:55.280 going on that's causing this inflammatory cascade.

01:23:57.780 And then as it wanes and those antibodies die off, then maybe it is lesser.

01:24:02.360 So let me let me ask you a question.

01:24:03.780 Maybe this is a better question for a doctor.

01:24:05.520 But if you did get the vaccine injected into a vessel instead of into your muscle where it

01:24:11.260 belonged. Is this do we call this a vaccine injury or do we call this, you know, sort of

01:24:18.260 a mistake by the injector that and could the injuries have come from the flu vaccine, you

01:24:24.980 know, the tetanus shot?

01:24:26.500 You know what I mean?

01:24:26.880 Is it is it this vaccine in your vessel and where it went in your body that caused all

01:24:31.740 this? Or is it the fact that you got something in a vessel that you never should have had?

01:24:35.060 No, that's a that's a really good question.

01:24:37.280 And so one thing I will say, there's like kind of two components to this this story argument,

01:24:41.600 and it was administered per CDC guidelines and the CDC guidelines say do not aspirate

01:24:48.260 because in their explain what aspirate is better.

01:24:51.600 Sorry, what is that?

01:24:52.700 You just explain what aspirate is.

01:24:54.440 So aspirate means you take the needle and when they put the shot in your arm before they

01:24:59.500 depress it and actually inject the solution, they pull back on it slightly to check and see

01:25:04.620 if there's any blood that enters the tube, because if they get blood in the tube, that

01:25:08.220 shows that they're in a vessel or in a in a vein or artery or, you know, it could be

01:25:11.880 any sort of capillary, anything like that.

01:25:15.520 So by aspirating, they're able to check that you're in the muscle and only in the muscle.

01:25:20.760 It's a really simple procedure.

01:25:22.120 And Moderna and Pfizer, both on their, you know, big document that shows how they should

01:25:26.580 administer the vaccines that says intramuscular placement is a must.

01:25:31.420 You must have intramuscular placement.

01:25:33.320 If you get it intravenous or if you get it in a capillary, anything like that, in a lot

01:25:37.800 of the lab tests that they did with mice, the mice that got it injected intravenously,

01:25:41.920 they had heart failure and died.

01:25:44.380 So it's interesting that one of the biggest side effects is heart failure or heart issues.

01:25:50.300 And then that was also shown in the mice that got it injected intravenously.

01:25:54.040 And then it's like it could just be an aspiration thing.

01:25:57.520 But even if it is just that, it's not the fault of the doctor or the pharmacist or any of the

01:26:03.060 people there.

01:26:03.560 It's the fault of the CDC for not having proper guidelines.

01:26:07.520 Right.

01:26:08.000 And like who is doing all the injecting, right?

01:26:10.120 It's like I don't even I never even asked.

01:26:12.000 Is this like you're at the CVS?

01:26:13.500 Like I could go for it.

01:26:14.380 I guess you're qualified.

01:26:15.220 I don't know.

01:26:15.500 You get the white lab coat on.

01:26:17.460 Yeah.

01:26:17.940 Whereas normally.

01:26:18.440 And I do definitely want to say I'm not a doctor at all.

01:26:22.340 And the only reason I'm kind of so invested in this is like it's been my full, full life

01:26:27.060 for the past four or five, six months is just how do I get better and how do I find different

01:26:32.340 things and talk to people that are actually willing to have a conversation.

01:26:35.640 And so at this last interview I did last week, I think with Dr. Drew, we talked a bit and then

01:26:41.060 a doctor called in who works with the COVID long hauler group.

01:26:43.400 And he went into a full, you know, kind of diatribe about what's happening, the mechanisms

01:26:48.080 at play versus long COVID and with the post vaccine syndrome and how similar they are.

01:26:52.820 And, you know, they're saying post vaccine syndrome and long COVID are like cousins.

01:26:56.860 And, you know, there there's a big research paper coming out in the next couple of weeks

01:27:00.060 that will hopefully highlight that.

01:27:01.680 But I don't know.

01:27:02.800 I just think it's so crazy that they're forcing people to get this thing.

01:27:07.180 And then, you know, when I go talk to my doctor about it, they're like, well, we don't

01:27:09.860 know anything about it.

01:27:10.700 So how are we supposed to treat you?

01:27:11.860 It's like, well, then why are you forcing it on me?

01:27:15.180 Then why did I have to get it in the first place?

01:27:16.520 Why did I have to?

01:27:17.460 Because that's what's happening now.

01:27:18.540 We're being mandated.

01:27:19.300 I do want to tell the audience the FDA's website now includes information on Pfizer and the

01:27:24.580 heart conditions that have been seen, specifically saying data demonstrates the increased risks

01:27:29.880 of myocarditis and pericarditis.

01:27:32.100 One is inflammation of the muscle.

01:27:33.380 One is of the outer lining of the heart, which is what you have, pericarditis, particularly

01:27:37.280 within seven days following the second dose of Pfizer.

01:27:39.940 Other places have thought because of that risk, you should space out the doses more

01:27:44.020 than two weeks.

01:27:44.660 They're doing that in other countries.

01:27:46.060 We're not only not doing that here.

01:27:47.900 There's a question about whether you're you'd be considered fully vaxxed if you waited more

01:27:51.780 than the two weeks.

01:27:52.360 That's how our lunacy here seemed to know no end.

01:27:57.340 Kyle, I want to say this to you before I go.

01:27:59.000 Thank you for coming on and speaking out.

01:28:02.520 I've been in the public eye a long time.

01:28:05.360 It's universal advice.

01:28:06.740 It could apply to you or anybody else.

01:28:08.900 Don't listen to the haters.

01:28:10.620 Don't take on women online who are coming for you.

01:28:14.000 Lean into the love.

01:28:15.200 Lean into the love, not the haters.

01:28:17.400 Leaning into the haters will only aggravate your injury, your upset, your pain.

01:28:22.120 And you need to be at your strongest to get through this.

01:28:25.160 So surround yourself with your support group with people like me, like Dr. Drew, who genuinely

01:28:29.780 want to hear your story with get a new doctor.

01:28:32.980 I'm telling you, start planting the seeds because she's a lunatic and understand that you're

01:28:38.240 not alone.

01:28:38.740 And most of the country believes you and doesn't look at you the way these crazy agenda driven

01:28:44.080 ideologues do.

01:28:45.120 Please wrap that around yourself the next time you feel low and know you're you are loved

01:28:50.660 and you're being rooted for.

01:28:52.620 And I, for one, am really proud of you.

01:28:54.720 Thank you.

01:28:55.280 Thank you.

01:28:55.820 It's been it's been tough, but it'll it'll get easier.

01:28:58.320 And then yesterday I had someone from factcheckers.org basically threaten me that if I don't give

01:29:03.280 them my medical records, they're going to post a thing about how this is all bullshit.

01:29:06.500 And it's like, you know, it's like, OK, so I went and don't respond to anybody with

01:29:11.720 fact checker saying, hey, this actually happened to me.

01:29:14.140 And, you know, send it to them.

01:29:15.860 And it's like, it's just crazy.

01:29:17.420 I told her, how many times do you have to like, what is there to gain for me as a random

01:29:23.140 person speaking out about this, losing tens and tens of thousands of dollars throughout

01:29:27.500 this past year?

01:29:28.920 Like, what what do I have to gain?

01:29:30.400 And then you look at like what the drug companies have to gain.

01:29:32.880 And it's so by the way, may I just say you haven't even really been posting on it a lot.

01:29:37.260 They're really your your your social media is mostly your bike stuff.

01:29:40.780 There's a few about this and you gave a couple of interviews and that's it.

01:29:43.900 This has been going on for months.

01:29:45.420 So if you were an attention seeker, you're a crappy one.

01:29:48.640 I know that's I know.

01:29:50.500 Dr. Drew's like, do you want to plug any of your websites?

01:29:52.620 Like, no, Kyle, stay well.

01:29:55.940 All the best.

01:29:57.160 Yeah, thank you.

01:29:58.360 Don't miss tomorrow.

01:29:59.080 We got David Zweig back with us.

01:30:00.880 Really looking forward to that.

01:30:02.040 We'll see you then.

01:30:02.640 Thanks for watching.

01:30:04.420 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:30:06.280 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - December 16, 2021

Social Justice Consequences and a Vaccine Injury Story, with Allie Beth Stuckey, Andrew Branca, and Kyle Warner ｜ Ep. 223

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