The Megyn Kelly Show - December 08, 2025


Somali Fraud Probe Widens, Infant Hep B Vax Guidance Changes, Netflix's WB Mega-Deal: AM Update 12⧸8


Episode Stats

Length

24 minutes

Words per Minute

159.65819

Word Count

3,936

Sentence Count

262

Misogynist Sentences

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Hate Speech Sentences

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Summary

Minnesotans of Somali descent have been charged with fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. Of the 86 people already charged in connection with these schemes, all but eight are members of Minnesota s Somali community, according to the New York Times and the Manhattan Institute's City Journal.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 Good morning, everyone.
00:00:34.020 I'm Megan Kelly.
00:00:34.980 It's Monday, December 8th, 2025.
00:00:37.440 And this is your AM update.
00:00:39.540 Our message to all is clear.
00:00:41.200 Either fix this in 60 days or start looking under your couch for spare change.
00:00:45.920 Federal scrutiny of Minnesota public programs increasing amid reports of widespread fraud
00:00:51.240 by the Somali community.
00:00:53.060 It's a really sad day for science and vaccines and immunology.
00:00:57.100 A federal panel votes to revise the hepatitis B newborn vaccine schedule, triggering a barrage
00:01:03.760 of outcry from legacy media.
00:01:05.720 Netflix announces a major deal to purchase Warner Brothers, a move expected to shake up the entire
00:01:12.740 entertainment landscape with massive ramifications.
00:01:16.460 What does it mean for you and your popcorn?
00:01:18.840 And President Trump now feuding with a Democrat congressman he just pardoned a few days ago.
00:01:24.040 All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM update.
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00:02:09.320 Dr. Mehmet Oz, the administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, or CMS,
00:02:18.260 on Friday putting Minnesota on notice, finding 14 additional services within the state's Medicaid
00:02:24.520 program show, quote, high-risk indicators of fraud, following the discovery of more than
00:02:30.360 $1 billion in fraud connected to several other welfare programs in the state.
00:02:35.460 The vast majority of these fraud schemes connected to Minnesota's large, politically active Somali
00:02:41.080 community.
00:02:42.140 City Journal and the New York Times reporting on widespread fraud largely connected to a
00:02:46.740 meals program, a housing program, and an autism therapy program.
00:02:51.280 Of the 86 people already charged in connection with these schemes, all but eight are members
00:02:56.600 of Minnesota's Somali community, according to the Times.
00:03:00.200 Multiple federal agencies and a congressional committee now formally investigating Minnesota's
00:03:05.180 social programs.
00:03:06.740 Dr. Oz in a social media video expanding on early findings.
00:03:10.860 When CMS became aware of the housing program situation, Minnesota insisted it could clean up
00:03:16.480 its own mess.
00:03:17.620 A few months ago, it admitted it could not.
00:03:20.320 So we stepped in to shut down the fraud-infested housing initiative.
00:03:24.460 Today, we're taking action on more than a dozen other programs, which I've outlined in the
00:03:29.680 post below.
00:03:30.200 Our message to Walls is clear.
00:03:32.500 Either fix this in 60 days, or start looking under your couch for spare change, because
00:03:37.380 we are done footing the bill for your incompetence.
00:03:40.240 Dr. Oz calling out the Somali community specifically, and accusing Democrat Governor Tim Walls of being
00:03:45.980 too afraid of potential political backlash to do anything to stop the alleged fraud, saying
00:03:50.980 Minnesota politicians get elected with Somali votes and keep the money flowing.
00:03:56.120 This isn't just fraud.
00:03:57.360 It's political patronage at public expense.
00:04:00.680 Fox News reporting Friday that whistleblowers told lawmakers the total amount of fraud could
00:04:05.560 be over $8 billion.
00:04:08.060 Treasury Secretary Scott Besant overseeing a probe into whether any of the stolen money made
00:04:13.200 its way to Al-Shabaab, an Islamic terror organization based in Somalia.
00:04:18.140 This follows reporting from the Manhattan Institute's City Journal that, quote,
00:04:23.180 Minnesota's Somali community has sent untold millions through a network of hawalas, informal
00:04:29.420 clan-based money traders, that have wound up in the coffers of Al-Shabaab.
00:04:34.220 Multiple sources telling the outlet that Somalis in the U.S. send money back to their home country,
00:04:38.920 where the terror group takes a cut.
00:04:41.200 Many defenders of the Somali community, including Minnesota's most famous Somali, Congresswoman
00:04:46.580 Ilhan Omar, saying there's no evidence of that.
00:04:50.140 Here she is yesterday on Face the Nation.
00:04:52.660 How confident are you that that's a false claim?
00:04:55.960 I'm pretty confident at the moment because there are people who have been prosecuted and
00:05:02.760 who have been sentenced.
00:05:03.700 If there was a linkage in that the money that they had stolen going to terrorism, then that
00:05:10.080 is a failure of the FBI and our court system in not figuring that out and basically charging
00:05:21.360 them with these charges.
00:05:24.260 The Congresswoman also says Somalis are the real victims here.
00:05:28.580 Of the 87 people charged, all but eight are of Somali descent, and that has added to the
00:05:34.860 spotlight being put specifically on your community.
00:05:40.280 Why do you think this fraud was allowed to get so widespread?
00:05:45.480 Well, I want to say, you know, this also has an impact on Somalis because we are also taxpayers
00:05:54.840 in Minnesota.
00:05:55.840 We also could have benefited from the program and the money that was stolen.
00:06:03.800 And so it's been really frustrating for people to not acknowledge the fact that we're also,
00:06:12.720 as Minnesotans, as taxpayers, really upset and angry about the fraud that has occurred.
00:06:19.780 Secretary Besson, also yesterday on CBS, warning the absence of proof today does not mean investigators
00:06:26.400 will not find wrongdoing tomorrow.
00:06:28.820 Okay, but you have no evidence of that money being used to fuel terrorism at this point,
00:06:33.940 which is what some conservative rioters are alleging.
00:06:35.940 That's why it's an investigation.
00:06:37.860 We started it last week.
00:06:39.160 We'll see where it goes.
00:06:40.660 But I can tell you that, you know, it's terrible.
00:06:43.320 You know, Representative Omar tried to downplay it.
00:06:45.980 So, you know, when you come to this country, you got to learn which side of the road to drive
00:06:49.240 on, you got to learn to stop the stop signs, and you got to learn not to defraud the American
00:06:54.040 people.
00:06:56.100 The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, ACIP, the federal body that sets vaccine
00:07:04.280 guidance, voting Friday to drop the decades-old recommendation that every newborn receive the
00:07:10.740 hep B vaccine at birth.
00:07:13.280 Hepatitis B is a liver disease caused by an extremely contagious virus.
00:07:17.660 The panel voting 8 to 3 to give mothers who test negative for the virus more discretion
00:07:23.340 over the timing of their infant's hepatitis B shot, now advising those parents to wait
00:07:28.520 for the baby to be at least two months old before receiving the first dose, if at all.
00:07:33.900 Since hep B is transmitted sexually or through IV drug use, Dr. Martin Kulldorff, chairman of
00:07:40.480 the CDC's Vaccine Advisory Committee, saying in June that unless the mother is hep B positive,
00:07:46.540 an argument could be made to postpone this vaccine.
00:07:50.440 FDA Chief Marty McCary explains, it may make more sense to wait until kids are approaching
00:07:55.900 sexual age.
00:07:57.480 Quote, a lot of parents wait until the children are 10, 11, or 12.
00:08:02.320 Prior to the Advisory Committee vote, the schedule calling for a day-one dose, and then a second
00:08:08.020 round at one to two months, and a third from six to 15 months.
00:08:12.180 The immediate vaccination policy still applying to infants whose mothers already have hepatitis
00:08:18.220 B or whose status is unknown, which Dr. McCary says makes sense.
00:08:23.800 The CDC first recommended this vaccine in 1982 for people deemed at high risk, drug users,
00:08:30.980 pregnant women, and infants born to hepatitis B positive mothers.
00:08:35.580 By 1992, the CDC shifted the recommendation to all newborns due to, quote, the difficulty
00:08:42.560 of vaccinating high-risk adults.
00:08:45.820 The goal was to eliminate hep B entirely, which didn't happen, probably because the CDC says
00:08:51.980 vaccine-induced antibodies decline with time.
00:08:56.640 Insurers say the vote will not change the availability of this vaccine, according to CNN, and parents
00:09:02.040 who want it for their child will still be able to get it at no cost.
00:09:06.400 Prior to the vaccine becoming ubiquitous in the 1990s, the U.S. saw about 20,000 cases of hep B
00:09:12.700 in newborn babies each year, out of about 4.1 million babies born in, for example, 1991.
00:09:20.560 The number then dropping to about 20 after the vaccine introduction, according to U.S. Senator
00:09:25.680 from Louisiana, Bill Cassidy, a Republican medical doctor.
00:09:29.140 The vote, coming after years of growing parental concern about the number of vaccines, many
00:09:35.800 of which contain aluminum, given to day-old newborns, and questions about the need for
00:09:41.580 a day-one vaccination against a disease most newborns are at extremely low risk of contracting.
00:09:48.000 News of the vote sending legacy media and Democrats into a tailspin.
00:09:52.180 Reuters reporting the new ACIP panel, appointed by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. earlier
00:09:57.760 this year, after firing the entire board, has now, quote, turned back the clock on disease
00:10:03.440 prevention, citing former ACIP member Dr. William Schaffner.
00:10:07.700 Here's a sampling from MS Now and CNN, beginning with Dr. Dimitri Daskalakis, who resigned from
00:10:14.120 his position at the CDC earlier this year.
00:10:16.740 He might remember the doctor from his appearance on the cover of HIV Plus magazine, wearing an unbuttoned
00:10:22.620 shirt and leather pentagram harness.
00:10:25.620 He's a big fan of preferred pronouns and of the term pregnant people, because, you know,
00:10:30.940 science.
00:10:32.160 It's a really sad day for science and vaccines and immunology.
00:10:36.720 Wow.
00:10:36.980 But it's really been, since he's taken office, death by a thousand cuts.
00:10:40.180 Yeah.
00:10:40.420 So our country is in danger.
00:10:42.360 Say that I and my colleagues couldn't sleep last night because we know that all of this movement
00:10:48.020 and these recommendations represent a broken promise to American families.
00:10:53.720 Dark day today.
00:10:54.800 The Vaccine Advisory Committee, handpicked by RF Kennedy Jr., did exactly what everyone
00:10:59.540 worried about when the anti-vaxxer was first named health secretary.
00:11:03.140 Because let's be clear, what happened today was politics.
00:11:05.760 There was no new science.
00:11:07.660 Senator Cassidy, who voted to confirm Senator Kennedy, posting on X, quote,
00:11:12.700 This change to the vaccine schedule is a mistake.
00:11:16.080 The hep B vaccine is safe and effective.
00:11:18.660 The birth dose is a recommendation, not a mandate.
00:11:21.820 Ending the recommendation for newborns makes it more likely the number of cases will begin
00:11:25.940 to increase again.
00:11:27.320 This makes America sicker.
00:11:29.440 ACIP member Dr. Tracy Beth Hogue, the acting director of the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation
00:11:35.300 and Research, taking issue with the safety studies used to approve the hep B vaccine at the
00:11:40.960 ACIP meeting last week.
00:11:42.700 The U.S. is an outlier in recommending a universal birth dose of the hepatitis B vaccine compared
00:11:48.760 to other high-income nations.
00:11:50.780 And the data that we used to approve the hepatitis B vaccines, they're for infants, were based
00:11:57.580 on studies that had very short-term follow-up and no control group.
00:12:01.760 There was not even a control group.
00:12:03.260 It was just an observational study.
00:12:04.760 We would never approve a vaccine based on data like those today.
00:12:08.480 So we are working with very low-level evidence here, and we have very limited confidence in
00:12:14.760 what we say when we say these vaccines are safe.
00:12:17.780 And so we have established that it does cause anaphylaxis, rarely fever, reactogenicity.
00:12:24.540 And so I think that I agree with Retsev that we need to be humble when we're saying that
00:12:30.300 we have the evidence that the benefits outweigh the harms here of giving this vaccine.
00:12:35.140 And again, I think that there's a reason that peer nations to the United States do not recommend
00:12:39.720 this vaccine routinely at birth.
00:12:41.700 Acting CDC Director Jim O'Neill will now decide whether to approve the panel's recommendation.
00:12:46.280 The timeline on that is unclear.
00:12:49.120 Shortly after the panel vote on Friday, President Trump posting on social media,
00:12:52.780 quote,
00:12:53.320 I have just signed a presidential memorandum directing the Department of Health and Human
00:12:57.460 Services to fast-track a comprehensive evaluation of vaccine schedules from other countries around
00:13:04.040 the world and better align the U.S. vaccine schedule so it is finally rooted in the gold standard
00:13:10.040 of science and common sense.
00:13:11.880 The memorandum pointing to other developed nations, Denmark, Japan, and Germany, each of
00:13:17.920 which vaccinates against fewer diseases than the U.S.
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00:14:43.240 Your ability to go to the movie theater with a buttered popcorn and snow caps just got a
00:14:50.540 little more endangered this weekend, thanks to an old-school movie-making giant getting
00:14:55.020 acquired by the streamer, Netflix.
00:14:57.680 Yes, Netflix and Warner Brothers Discovery announcing on Friday an agreement for the streamer to purchase
00:15:03.740 the media companies' film and TV studios, including HBO Max, the streaming service, and HBO, the cable channel.
00:15:11.800 One of the big five movie studios, a relic of old Hollywood, now moving under a streaming platform,
00:15:17.940 shaking up the entire entertainment industry.
00:15:20.820 Warner Brothers shareholders set to receive a mix of cash and Netflix stock in the $82.7 billion transaction.
00:15:28.200 Other Warner Brothers Discovery properties, including CNN, HGTV, and the Food Network,
00:15:34.520 set to be spun off in 2026 into a separate company to be called Discovery Global.
00:15:40.820 Major intellectual property, or IP, including Game of Thrones, the DC Comics universe, Harry Potter,
00:15:47.920 The Sopranos, classics like Gone with the Wind, and much more will now operate under the
00:15:53.320 Netflix umbrella.
00:15:54.500 Netflix saying it plans to maintain Warner Brothers' operations, including theatrical releases, for now.
00:16:01.720 Some within the industry remain skeptical.
00:16:04.420 The New York Times, reporting a group of anonymous film producers, sent a letter to Congress on Thursday
00:16:09.180 expressing, quote, grave concerns about the purchase.
00:16:11.880 Quote, Netflix views any time spent watching a movie in a theater as time not spent on their platform.
00:16:18.900 They have no incentive to support theatrical exhibition, and they have every incentive to kill it.
00:16:24.500 The move comes amid a years-long decline in movie theater ticket sales, which accelerated during the COVID pandemic.
00:16:32.020 Screen Rant, reporting that this year, when adjusted for inflation, was the worst box office summer since 1981.
00:16:39.680 Probably because the movies stink.
00:16:42.000 Not because we wouldn't go see really good ones if they would make them.
00:16:45.940 Netflix securing the deal after a weeks-long bidding war against Paramount Skydance and Comcast.
00:16:52.020 The transaction expected to close in 12 to 18 months.
00:16:55.820 It will require regulatory approval from the Trump administration.
00:16:59.800 If the deal collapses, Netflix will pay Warner Brothers a $5.8 billion breakup fee.
00:17:05.580 News of the deal raising skepticism among culture observers on what it will mean for a legacy studio to be absorbed by a streaming giant.
00:17:13.140 From entertainment writer Sasha Stone, quote,
00:17:15.980 With streaming, there is no free market pressure, no quality control.
00:17:20.660 You don't have to motivate people to leave their homes.
00:17:23.180 You don't need big stars to drive box office.
00:17:25.900 And best of all, you can ignore the silent majority that has tuned you out long ago.
00:17:30.900 Hate the trans agenda being shoved down everyone's throat?
00:17:34.000 Too bad.
00:17:34.940 Your boycotts are a drop in the bucket at Netflix.
00:17:37.660 We spoke with the host of the Hollywood in Toto podcast, Christian Toto, about how this deal could affect the cultural landscape.
00:17:45.580 He points out Netflix is primarily interested in making money and points to one bright spot.
00:17:52.300 There was that time with Netflix and Dave Chappelle.
00:17:56.100 Sasha has a real eye on Hollywood and knows what she's talking about.
00:17:59.240 The one thing I'll throw into the situation is that Netflix came into a pretty tough situation a few years ago with Dave Chappelle.
00:18:07.520 And at that particular point, they could have said, OK, we're going to take the Dave Chappelle special, which some deemed to be offensive, off our platform.
00:18:14.460 But they stuck by him, even though there was a lot of noise and anger against him and against what he said on that particular special.
00:18:19.760 And that was a cultural moment where Netflix realized that there's money to be made by reaching out to a whole different group of audiences where you didn't have to just play to the woke crowd.
00:18:30.640 You could reach out to right of center fans and themselves.
00:18:33.580 So while I understand what Sasha Stone says about what this change will bring to Hollywood, I also think Netflix at the business level understands that they've got a lot of people to entertain and a bigger tent means more money for them.
00:18:45.880 Despite Netflix's stated commitment to continuing theatrical releases, Toto believes ultimately that business model may not prove to be effective, leading to the end or a drastic scaling down of movies in theaters from Warner Brothers.
00:18:59.740 In an effort to keep theaters alive, many actors and filmmakers now marketing the theater experience itself, practically begging audiences to go see their movie rather than waiting for the streaming services to pick it up.
00:19:11.500 Legendary filmmaker Steven Spielberg in this ad, pushing audiences to see Hamnet, which he produced and Chloe Zhao directed.
00:19:20.500 It's really important for audiences to go see a film like Hamnet in theaters because of the audience.
00:19:27.080 Because an audience means more than four people.
00:19:30.280 The way I see an audience, it is a large congregation of people who perhaps are not at all like-minded.
00:19:37.620 We sit in a room and we share an experience together as strangers.
00:19:42.280 We feel the room and we feel the audience and we hear the laughs and we feel the tears and we share emotion.
00:19:49.640 And that doesn't happen when you're just a half dozen people watching something on a 50-inch screen.
00:19:54.960 Toto tells us the possible loss of the theater-going experience is not something to take lightly.
00:19:59.940 I do mourn the potential loss of a theatrical experience.
00:20:03.560 I think when you look at the younger generation, they're wrapped up in their phones.
00:20:07.820 They're playing with their friends online with video games.
00:20:10.980 They're not actually meeting face-to-face.
00:20:13.300 And I think there is something lost from a cultural perspective if the theaters go away or whether they're diminished in a significant way.
00:20:20.060 You know, whether it's the mall culture where teens hang out and they talk to their friends and they flirt with girls and guys, there is something about being in the presence of other people that it seems crazy to say, but we're losing that element of that bigger picture.
00:20:34.900 But, you know, I think to lose that would be significant.
00:20:37.440 And again, some things are inevitable.
00:20:39.260 This may be inevitable, but I don't think we should lose it or push it away lightly.
00:20:44.140 Less than a week after issuing Democrat Representative Henry Cuellar of Texas and his wife a pardon, President Trump now slamming the congressman.
00:20:54.900 The Biden DOJ indicting Congressman Cuellar and his wife in May of 2024 on 14 counts, including bribery, wire fraud, and money laundering.
00:21:04.240 Prosecutors accusing the Cuellars of accepting $600,000 in bribes from an oil company owned by the government of Azerbaijan and a Mexican bank.
00:21:12.740 The couple's trial was set to begin April of 2026.
00:21:16.980 The Cuellars pleading not guilty to the charges, arguing the case amounted to political retaliation after the congressman who represents a border district criticized then-President Biden's immigration policies.
00:21:29.080 Last week, President Trump announcing the pair of pardons in a Truth Social post, quote,
00:21:34.160 Sleepy Joe went after the congressman and even the congressman's wonderful wife, Imelda, simply for speaking the truth.
00:21:40.740 I am hereby announcing my full and unconditional pardon of beloved Texas Congressman Henry Cuellar and Imelda.
00:21:48.360 Henry, I don't know you, but you can sleep well tonight.
00:21:51.260 Your nightmare is finally over.
00:21:53.460 Mr. Trump attributing the decision, which was reportedly made without Mr. and Mrs. Cuellar's advanced knowledge,
00:21:59.480 to a letter written by the congressman's daughters to the president on behalf of their parents.
00:22:04.100 Later that same day of the pardon, despite speculation that he might switch parties,
00:22:09.760 Mr. Cuellar filing the paperwork to run for re-election as a Democrat.
00:22:14.440 Yesterday morning, President Trump sharply criticizing the move on Truth Social, quote,
00:22:18.820 I never spoke to the congressman, his wife, or his daughters, but felt very good about fighting for
00:22:24.320 a family that was tormented by very sick and deranged people. I signed the papers and said to
00:22:29.260 people in the Oval Office that I just did a very good, perhaps life-saving thing. God was very happy
00:22:34.860 with me that day. Then it happened. The Post continuing, quote, Congressman Henry Cuellar announced
00:22:41.480 that he will be running for Congress again, in the great state of Texas, as a Democrat,
00:22:46.460 continuing to work with the same radical left scum that just weeks before wanted him and his wife
00:22:51.780 to spend the rest of their lives in prison, and probably still do. Such a lack of loyalty,
00:22:57.480 something that Texas voters and Henry's daughters will not like. Oh well, next time,
00:23:02.820 no more Mr. Nice Guy. Mr. Cuellar, Sunday on Fox, responding to the criticism.
00:23:07.840 Let me just say this. I was at church this morning with my wife. I prayed for the president.
00:23:14.440 I prayed for his family. And I prayed for the presidency, because if the president succeeds,
00:23:22.500 the country succeeds. And again, as probably the most bipartisan individual, I don't vote party.
00:23:31.380 I vote for what's right for the country. And I am a conservative Democrat, but I will work with the
00:23:37.800 president. I've reached out to his administration. The Texas Tribune reporting Cuellar has yet to draw
00:23:43.240 a serious primary contender ahead of the March primary election, the general election set for
00:23:48.540 November 3rd, 2026. And that'll do it for your AM update. I'm Megan Kelly. Join me back here for
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