The Megyn Kelly Show - Steele Dossier Implodes and Rittenhouse Trial Nears Conclusion, with Kash Patel, Erik Wemple, and Julio Rosas

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.140 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show on a very busy Monday.

00:00:16.940 We've got a packed show for you today and a variety of stories breaking this afternoon.

00:00:21.000 In just a bit, we're going to get to Trump ally and podcast host Steve Bannon,

00:00:25.120 now expected in court in just a couple of hours after turning himself in this morning on criminal contempt charges for refusing to cooperate with the January 6th House Committee.

00:00:37.520 The Washington Post took an incredibly rare step on Friday correcting and in some instances deleting portions of articles about the Steele dossier.

00:00:48.500 This is a separate but not totally unrelated story in some ways in the wake of new information about the now, I mean, totally discredited document, totally discredited.

00:00:59.780 Remember, we talked a couple of weeks ago about why ABC put Christopher Steele on the air and allowed him to continue to tout the document,

00:01:07.520 the Steele dossier, as though it still had some sort of relevance or truth in it.

00:01:12.900 And he touted in particular the so-called pee tape, alleging Trump had paid prostitutes to pee on a bed in Russia on the bed that Michelle and Barack Obama.

00:01:22.560 It's all a lie. It was a lie. It was a lie pushed by people hired by connected to the Hillary Clinton campaign in the DNC.

00:01:33.240 That's really what happened. So now, bit by bit, some of the media responsible for pushing that story nonstop for four years of Trump's.

00:01:42.900 presidency are coming to grips with whether they have to admit that they went along with a massive fraud, unquestioning because they hated Trump so much.

00:01:54.560 They wanted it to be true. So do they now that they know they were either duped or they were willing participants to they come clean with their audiences?

00:02:01.760 Or did they try to just skirt by like it didn't happen? What? What's Steele dossier reporting? What Russia gate?

00:02:09.680 Well, we have a really interesting guest today, Eric Wemple of The Washington Post, who's written tough articles on the media.

00:02:16.380 He's he is of the left wing media, but he writes tough articles on both the left and the right wing.

00:02:22.180 So we're looking forward to speaking with him. But we're also going to be joined by Kash Patel.

00:02:26.520 Now, Kash is an attorney. He's a former Trump administration official.

00:02:30.740 And not only did he work for Devin Nunes in just deconstructing the whole Steele dossier,

00:02:37.160 but now he's in the crosshairs in the same way Steve Bannon is, because this same committee that's now investigating January 6th.

00:02:44.520 Again, it's a separate thing, but it's Trump related.

00:02:49.060 They're coming after Kash. They're coming after Steve Bannon.

00:02:51.860 They're coming after others saying, give us all your documents and testify before us about everything you know about January 6th.

00:02:58.180 And Kash and others feel like this is this is retributive, that this is retribution for their role in uncovering the truth about the Steele dossier.

00:03:07.460 OK, so it's this long story, but I'm going to spell it out for you in ways that are easy to understand.

00:03:11.060 As always, we hope it's always our mission. But we're going to begin today with the latest from Kenosha and the Kyle Rittenhouse trial,

00:03:17.400 where the judge just issued some major rulings, including dismissing.

00:03:21.960 It was technically the lesser charge, of course, versus intentional murder.

00:03:26.920 But it was an important one. Possession of a dangerous weapon.

00:03:31.020 That is huge. I'll explain how in a minute.

00:03:33.040 But today we've got Julio Rosas with us, who's in Kenosha now and has been throughout this trial.

00:03:40.600 He was in Kenosha the night of the Rittenhouse shooting as well.

00:03:43.720 Welcome, Julio. Thank you so much for being here.

00:03:46.440 Yeah, thank you for having me.

00:03:47.820 OK, so let's just set it up for the audience.

00:03:50.020 What got you involved in this case first?

00:03:52.300 You were in Kenosha on the night in question. And what did you do?

00:03:55.320 So I was in Kenosha because I was actually familiar with the area because I'm from Illinois originally.

00:04:03.840 And I saw that Sunday, that Sunday evening where, you know, the video of the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

00:04:11.620 And because I was familiar with Kenosha and how a relatively small town compared to some of the other cities that covered riots in,

00:04:17.800 I knew that just the law enforcement was not going to be enough to prevent any rioting.

00:04:24.720 And unfortunately, I was correct. You know, riots broke out that Sunday night.

00:04:28.080 Then I came in on Monday, covered the riots for that evening and then covered the aftermath the next day on that Tuesday.

00:04:35.540 And, you know, again, it was kind of, you know, we're expecting some more riots to happen.

00:04:38.640 And they did. I just want to be clear because the media has described the Rittenhouse shooting as taking place during a protest,

00:04:45.120 which is absolutely not true.

00:04:46.760 So they were rioting and it's because they were rioting at the courthouse in the very building that I'm in right now.

00:04:53.720 They the law enforcement pushed them out of the park that's across the street, down the street,

00:04:58.180 because they still were attacking law enforcement and damaging property.

00:05:02.300 But then they were pushed into the group of armed civilians who have come to protect further further businesses from being damaged.

00:05:09.140 And then that's, you know, kind of cascaded into the events that did lead to the shootings from from that night.

00:05:14.660 Mm hmm. And so your videotapes have become yet another star witness, if you will, in this case, because you captured much of what was captured, what was what happened on tape.

00:05:26.360 And you tell me, because I said this to a lawyer last week, I don't believe that Kyle Rittenhouse would have a chance of being acquitted,

00:05:33.860 as I think he should be in this case, had it not been for the videotapes.

00:05:38.660 No, absolutely. And it just highlights the kind of the importance of the work that myself and people at Daily Caller,

00:05:45.560 the Blaze and some other independent guys were doing because we I mean, from the get go, the media, you know,

00:05:52.000 the mainstream media were trying to downplay the riots, these very destructive riots that were happening.

00:05:57.460 I mean, I was in Minneapolis at the very start in May and then it just kind of continued on.

00:06:01.940 And we were going from city to city because, you know, that that's what that's what our job is, you know,

00:06:08.220 to kind of report in these very hectic situations.

00:06:12.240 And yeah, no, there was no mainstream media outlet out at the scene of the shooting.

00:06:17.060 They were kind of around CNN, I found out, was actually up here by the courthouse.

00:06:20.760 So that's why they weren't here, because they were doing their live shots outside the building.

00:06:24.320 But no, and look, we obviously didn't set out that night to try to prove someone's innocence.

00:06:31.060 We were just there to record what happened.

00:06:33.600 It just so happened that because of what we recorded and what we saw,

00:06:37.760 it actually just completely goes against the large part of the media narrative that this was some white supremacist mass murderer wannabe.

00:06:45.280 It just didn't make any sense at all with what has been perpetuated in the year and even what's been perpetuated as the trial has been going on.

00:06:56.100 And I'm sure we'll get into that.

00:06:57.380 But yeah, no, we we we are just out there because we want to show the American people what is happening in these hectic situations in real time.

00:07:05.320 Mm hmm. Yeah, they paint Kyle Rittenhouse as though he were on a killing spree that night, a white supremacist on a killing spree at a peaceful Black Lives Riot, Black Lives Matter protest, not riot.

00:07:16.600 And none of that has been proven, not one piece of that.

00:07:20.040 Nothing about Kyle Rittenhouse being a racist or a white supremacist.

00:07:23.900 His sin appears to have been the original sin, being a white guy with a gun who showed up at a Black Lives Matter riot to try to protect and keep the peace.

00:07:33.120 But then he found himself in three very dangerous situations and he did defend himself.

00:07:39.260 And the question for this jury is whether he was really the provocateur, the initial aggressor, or whether it was true self-defense.

00:07:47.460 And both of those things have to be proven by the prosecution.

00:07:50.320 Once a defendant asserts his defense of self-defense, it's up to the prosecutor to disprove it.

00:07:58.260 This prosecutor has the affirmative burden of proving not self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:08:04.900 And boy, is that going to be an uphill battle.

00:08:06.620 And we'll get into that in one second.

00:08:08.160 Just want to give the audience watching this because we release this on YouTube as well as live on Sirius XM at noon east on Triumph 111.

00:08:15.320 And as a podcast of the video, some of the video that you captured that night.

00:08:20.320 This is Soundbite One.

00:08:21.340 Let's take a look.

00:08:21.920 Let's take a look.

00:08:51.900 What are we looking at?

00:08:52.980 So that was the second half of the shooting.

00:08:55.240 This is where Rittenhouse shot Andy Nehuber and Gage Grosskreutz.

00:08:59.500 And so I was up the street when the first shooting happened, when Joseph Rosenbaum chased after Rittenhouse into the car lot.

00:09:07.700 Rittenhouse's avenues of escape was cut off from the cars in the lot.

00:09:10.740 And then Joshua Zminski, this random guy, fired a gun in the air.

00:09:17.380 And then that combination of those three things, it appears that would change from Kyle going in from flight mode into flight mode.

00:09:24.960 Because as has been proven throughout the trial, Rosenbaum reached for the weapon, and that's when Kyle shot him.

00:09:31.380 And so when those sets of gunshots happened, me being the interesting person that I am, I started to run towards where the shots were coming from.

00:09:44.880 And actually, to my surprise, a lot of other people in the crowd also started to run towards that, too.

00:09:49.640 I thought that was kind of interesting.

00:09:51.020 And so we saw this kind of mass movement happening going down the street.

00:09:54.440 Well, and then I saw, who I later found out to be Kyle Rittenhouse, going up the street.

00:09:58.580 And I thought, oh, well, that's weird.

00:10:00.180 Because, you know, everyone else is going one direction, and we have this one guy with a rifle going the other way.

00:10:04.300 But then as he was kind of running past me, that's when I heard people, oh, he shot somebody, he shot somebody, get him, get him, get him.

00:10:09.680 And so then he was attacked from behind a few times.

00:10:12.840 And that's what appears to cause him to stumble.

00:10:15.060 And so that's my, you know, and at that point, I was recording the video that you were playing.

00:10:20.620 And so, you know, Anthony Huber came up with a skateboard, hit him in the upper body area, you know, the neck or the head area.

00:10:28.200 And while also trying to take the gun away, that's when Rittenhouse shot him.

00:10:32.400 And then Gage Grosskreutz at first had his hands up.

00:10:34.640 And as has been shown in the trial, Rittenhouse did not shoot him until Grosskreutz put his hands down with a gun, with his handgun, and advanced towards Kyle while pointing the hand behind his head.

00:10:46.600 Yeah, we heard testimony to that effect.

00:10:47.860 Yeah, no, we've been there.

00:10:48.940 But let me ask you, just so you know, my audience has heard all this, because we've been going over a frame by frame for a week now.

00:10:55.440 But I want to get to what's happening right now, because the jury's about to get the case.

00:11:00.560 The closing arguments are about to begin.

00:11:02.940 And as I see it, the entire prosecution now comes down to the question of whether Rittenhouse provoked these attacks.

00:11:08.220 I don't think the claim of self-defense has fallen at all on its initial merits.

00:11:14.260 You know, sort of the test for whether you are using self-defense in this kind of thing is pretty simple.

00:11:21.100 It's, you know, did he, was Rittenhouse the initial physical aggressor?

00:11:25.340 Was he facing an imminent threat?

00:11:29.020 Was he defending against a deadly force?

00:11:32.720 Was his subjective belief in the necessity of force reasonably objective?

00:11:38.140 You know, could it be sustained?

00:11:39.660 I think the prosecution is going to fail to disprove any of those.

00:11:43.060 I think Kyle Rittenhouse will come out ahead on all of those, and he'll have a colorful claim of self-defense.

00:11:47.120 And then the prosecution's only plan, its only chance is to say, well, you provoked the whole thing.

00:11:53.040 If he provoked the whole thing, he could lose that self, that right to self-defense, right?

00:11:57.120 You can't go in there.

00:11:58.140 I can't provoke you to attack me just because I want to murder you, right?

00:12:01.300 And then like use it as an excuse.

00:12:02.780 But the law also says I can't do something unlawful that would, that is reasonably likely to provoke violence and then play the victim.

00:12:11.160 It does allow me, if violence then ensues, to defend myself if deadly force is used against me.

00:12:17.120 But the linchpin to that second sort of avenue of provocation is, was he behaving unlawfully?

00:12:23.660 What was he doing that was unlawful and likely to provoke violence?

00:12:27.340 And even though the prosecution did not even mention provocation in its opening statements,

00:12:32.220 they seem to have been pinning this on the unlawful weapon that they say he has.

00:12:37.360 He had a charge against him that his AR-15 was unlawful in the state of Wisconsin.

00:12:42.840 It was a long gun and he's under 18.

00:12:45.400 That charge is dismissed.

00:12:47.620 The judge dismissed that this morning.

00:12:49.400 How huge was that?

00:12:52.160 I mean, it's pretty significant because, I mean, even still to this day, people still believe, for whatever reason,

00:12:59.100 that Kyle went from Illinois to Wisconsin with the AR-15.

00:13:03.440 But that's not what happened.

00:13:04.620 The AR-15 never left Wisconsin until after the shooting.

00:13:07.260 And so, no, you're absolutely right.

00:13:09.500 And it's funny because at the very start of the trial with the assistant district attorney

00:13:15.160 Binger's opening argument, he initially made this claim that, oh, well, actually, it was

00:13:20.380 Rittenhouse who first chased Joseph Rosenbaum.

00:13:22.960 And we have video from this FBI drone that would prove it.

00:13:27.340 And it didn't, number one.

00:13:29.420 And none of their witnesses, as I'm sure you guys have discussed, that has never been proven,

00:13:33.800 that Rittenhouse first chased after Rosenbaum.

00:13:35.660 And so now they're switching it up by saying, well, actually, well, he provoked them because

00:13:40.300 he pointed his gun at Rosenbaum and the Zeminskis.

00:13:45.180 But and even though they did not, even though the prosecution did not bring the Zeminskis to

00:13:50.060 testify to that fact, because it most likely did not happen.

00:13:54.600 And the only evidence that they have for that is this very blurry photo from a different

00:14:00.000 video source, not from the FBI plane, but from a very different video source.

00:14:03.460 And it's very blurry.

00:14:04.200 It's very grainy.

00:14:04.760 And they're saying, well, OK, we'll see that is proving that Rittenhouse first provoked

00:14:08.420 everything by pointing the gun at these people.

00:14:12.380 And it's just it just I think in my, you know, my non-legal expert opinion, it just shows that

00:14:16.860 this was just a terrible case for the prosecution from the from the very start.

00:14:20.660 You know, they they've completely pinned their whole argument on something else than what

00:14:26.580 they started from.

00:14:27.460 And exactly.

00:14:28.200 So it's because they haven't proved that now that now that it's all I think he's all

00:14:33.400 in on provocation, he's got to go for Kyle Rittenhouse to provoke the whole thing.

00:14:36.760 This is, you know, what was he doing there?

00:14:37.920 He had an unlawful weapon.

00:14:39.000 OK, that's gone.

00:14:40.160 He's not going to be able to argue that the unlawful act that was likely to provoke violence

00:14:43.360 was an unlawful weapon because that charge is gone.

00:14:46.760 So now he's going to say, OK, let's take a look at the first killing, Rosenbaum.

00:14:51.640 By the way, that's that's charged as reckless homicide, reckless homicide of Rosenbaum.

00:14:56.120 The intentional murder is the next guy, Huber, the guy who beat Kyle with the skateboard.

00:15:00.600 That's the one they're saying was sort of the most egregious act by Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:15:04.180 But you can see Huber as the initial aggressor on the tape.

00:15:07.040 But they're basically trying to say Kyle Rittenhouse went there.

00:15:10.760 He had the weapon.

00:15:11.720 He engaged in the reckless homicide of Rosenbaum because he was the initial aggressor.

00:15:17.300 He's the one who pointed his gun at somebody near Rosenbaum.

00:15:22.040 Then the gun, another person's gun went off and Kyle Rittenhouse wound up shooting Rosenbaum.

00:15:27.400 And they're saying everything from that point thereafter, everything from that point thereafter

00:15:31.140 made Kyle an active shooter in the mind of everyone there.

00:15:34.840 He was the provocateur and they're trying to sort of label him as the provocateur from that

00:15:39.700 moment forward because he was perceived as this active shooter.

00:15:43.660 And these good Samaritans, Huber and Grosskreutz, were trying to disarm him.

00:15:48.500 First of all, they were not good Samaritans.

00:15:49.920 Can you speak to that?

00:15:50.640 No, yeah, no, they weren't.

00:15:53.920 And it's also interesting because, I mean, I've never seen an active shooter run towards

00:15:57.700 the police because that's what Kyle was doing after he shot Rosenbaum.

00:16:01.080 I mean, I looked up the definition, you know, the FBI and DHS, they said, you know, they're

00:16:06.060 basically a definition, you know, they're trying to kill as many people as possible.

00:16:09.540 And look, I will tell you, as someone who was there that night, not just Rittenhouse, but

00:16:12.600 you know, all the individuals that were armed that night, they had plenty of opportunity

00:16:16.620 to just start mowing the crowd down, right?

00:16:19.480 I mean, they, they, the police were up the street.

00:16:24.080 You know, it was just, it was just the two groups facing off.

00:16:26.400 And some of the rioters, some of the crowd of rioters or some of the people in the crowd

00:16:30.480 did have handguns, did have some weaponry of that kind, but they were, they were vastly

00:16:34.760 out, you know, powered by the rifles and shotguns that the armed civilians had to protect the

00:16:39.100 property.

00:16:39.380 Um, and so it just, it makes zero, that whole argument just makes no sense because in fact,

00:16:44.400 actually there were plenty of times in that night where the armed civilians were trying

00:16:48.220 to deescalate the situation by pulling people away from the crowd.

00:16:52.560 And in fact, they even move themselves from the ultimate gas station where a lot of the

00:16:56.580 video, where you see Rosenbaum, you see Huber, uh, getting confrontational with them.

00:17:00.980 Uh, they actually went from that gas station to the gas station across the street to try

00:17:04.820 to, you know, just like remove themselves completely.

00:17:06.680 So, I mean, that, that's, that does not scream active shooter.

00:17:10.980 Um, and also the fact that we have interviews that Daily Caller did and the blaze did, uh,

00:17:16.740 with Kyle, uh, where he's explaining like, yeah, I'm, I'm here as a medic, you know, I want

00:17:21.820 to help people who get hurt.

00:17:22.860 And he did, and he testified to the fact that he helped some of the protest or some of the

00:17:26.220 rioters that got shot with some of the crowd control munitions.

00:17:29.720 And I mean, I mean, yeah, how, how do you, how do you make an argument that, oh yeah,

00:17:35.340 that, that is clearly someone who just wants to start killing people.

00:17:38.100 And then again, as the trial has shown, the only people he shot or shot at, because there

00:17:42.620 was the drum kick guy.

00:17:43.440 So technically four, he shot at four people, but only struck three, uh, were actively attacking

00:17:47.160 him.

00:17:47.880 Well, the other thing is, I mean, there was a, there was a, there was a lengthy criminal history.

00:17:51.540 I mean, I'm not, this is not a justification for shooting them, but the, the attempt to paint

00:17:56.840 these guys is coming after Kyle Rittenhouse as these like sweet, loving, good Samaritan

00:18:01.540 types.

00:18:02.060 It isn't true.

00:18:03.100 I mean, there was a long criminal history behind the first guy, Rosenbaum and Huber too

00:18:07.680 had a long list of problems.

00:18:09.080 Gross crates.

00:18:09.580 I haven't looked into, but I've read, um, some allegations.

00:18:12.240 The point is it, these guys were there and it appears that they were there for some trouble

00:18:16.640 that night and the, the, if you're going to sort of style this as angels versus demons,

00:18:22.600 you're going to fall pretty rapidly in the, in the process because it, it does not appear

00:18:27.780 that they were there to keep the peace.

00:18:29.640 Kyle Rittenhouse at least has some evidence he was, um, and you can see on tape them coming

00:18:34.860 after him, aggressively coming after him to try to just say, well, you, you know, you

00:18:40.360 shot Rosenbaum after you heard a shot in the air as Rosenbaum was reaching for your gun

00:18:45.260 and yelling F you.

00:18:46.620 And at that point, once the crowd saw you shot him, you basically were on the hook for

00:18:51.220 anything else you did.

00:18:52.260 You know, if somebody tried to smack you in the head with the skateboard, you had to sit

00:18:55.100 back and take it.

00:18:56.000 If somebody tried to grab your gun, like gross crates did, you had to sit back and take it.

00:19:00.040 Well, that's not going to fly.

00:19:01.200 The law's not going to allow that kind of conclusion that the instructions aren't going to come down

00:19:05.660 like that.

00:19:06.420 And I understand today the prosecution got a very favorable instruction on that blurry photograph

00:19:12.180 that was a late minute addition to the prosecution's case.

00:19:15.800 They were very excited about it.

00:19:17.140 They got this sort of last minute drone footage showing what they say is a Kyle Rittenhouse

00:19:22.320 pointing his gun, uh, sort of in the direction of Rosenbaum's buddy, the guys who you said

00:19:27.620 never actually came to testify.

00:19:29.360 Uh, and we're going to pick it up right there after I squeeze in a quick break, Julio.

00:19:33.000 Thank you for being here with us and what happens after the verdict.

00:19:36.820 We've got an update on the national guard and so on.

00:19:38.960 I will talk to Julio about that in momentarily.

00:19:48.200 Julio, um, the big reveal as the trial closed, this was the, uh, assistant district attorney

00:19:54.760 bingers, you know, sort of the, the closest thing he had to a smoking gun.

00:19:59.580 His case was totally falling apart.

00:20:01.020 And then this thing came in and it was from drone footage.

00:20:04.000 They said they had just gotten their hands on and we'll put the images up, uh, if we

00:20:08.440 have them, but he, he claimed that it showed Kyle Rittenhouse moments before he shot the

00:20:14.200 first guy Rosenbaum pointing his gun.

00:20:17.740 Kyle's story was, I was running away.

00:20:19.740 I mean, forgive me because the YouTube audience is going to be like, where, how?

00:20:23.800 And I, the answer is I have no idea.

00:20:26.180 But, uh, Rittenhouse's story is that he was running away from Rosenbaum.

00:20:30.340 This is what all the eyewitnesses testified to as well, that a third party shot a gun into

00:20:34.900 the air.

00:20:35.660 Rittenhouse turned around and Rosenbaum reached for Rittenhouse's gun, yelled F you.

00:20:41.420 And that is when Rittenhouse fired.

00:20:43.380 Well, the prosecution claims that that picture is of Kyle Rittenhouse just prior to shooting

00:20:48.680 Rosenbaum, pointing the gun, pointing the gun in the general direction of Rosenbaum.

00:20:54.660 Um, and, um, the, the defense objected saying this blown up image, which is what they had

00:21:00.120 to do to make us see anything shows us nothing.

00:21:03.060 And it's confusing because when you blow up an image from teeny tiny to huge, the pixelation

00:21:08.380 technology on the camera or what, you know, the, the device will fill in the pixels all

00:21:14.180 around the relevant image, thus distorting it and not give the jury an accurate presentation.

00:21:19.180 And witnesses online have pointed out, many people have pointed out that this picture

00:21:23.180 appears to show Kyle, if it's Kyle Rittenhouse at all, he's holding the, the butt of the

00:21:27.220 rifle against his left shoulder instead of his right shoulder, which is how he normally

00:21:31.400 holds the gun.

00:21:32.140 And now there are pictures of him holding a gun and so on.

00:21:35.260 Um, he's right-handed and why would he be doing that?

00:21:38.140 Right?

00:21:38.400 So there are real questions about this.

00:21:40.200 And, and we understand this morning from Andrew Branca, who's in, who's been following

00:21:43.900 this for legal insurrection.

00:21:45.560 He's been great that the judge said this morning, um, in, you know, they're trying to

00:21:51.620 get this jury to decide that he, that Kyle was pointing this gun at the Zeminskis, the

00:21:55.040 guy who filed, fired in the air.

00:21:57.180 And the judge was saying, um, it's not for the jury to speculate, right?

00:22:03.400 To speculate and said, you can say that pointing a gun at someone without justification is unlawful,

00:22:10.460 but you cannot invite the jury to speculate as to whether the gun was pointed at someone.

00:22:16.260 You need actual evidence of that.

00:22:18.620 So to me, that sounds like he may not be allowing the prosecution to argue that this picture

00:22:26.260 we can't make out is evidence of Kyle pointing the gun at anyone.

00:22:31.660 What do you make of it?

00:22:32.340 No, I mean, and that's why I was kind of surprised that initially the judge, uh, last

00:22:37.180 week was going to allow it.

00:22:38.660 But I mean, there's a reason why they're still, they were still debating about it this

00:22:41.600 morning because yeah, no, it doesn't, it barely shows anything.

00:22:45.060 I mean, I have bad eyesight, but even I can see that that picture is not conclusive at

00:22:49.140 all.

00:22:49.460 And the judge is absolutely correct that, uh, their job is to not speculate their job.

00:22:53.700 You have to make a verdict beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:22:57.500 Um, and so, but that, but that is what the prosecution has been, uh, resorted to has had

00:23:03.120 to resort to because that's how weak their case was from the beginning.

00:23:06.500 And like I mentioned before earlier, um, this is a completely different argument than what

00:23:11.240 they made in their opening, their opening statements, uh, you know, two weeks ago.

00:23:14.480 So I, I, I just, I just, this just, this should not have gone to trial, uh, clearly.

00:23:20.600 Uh, but at the same time, I'm, I'm kind of glad it did because it really, I mean, it really

00:23:25.400 has gone over so many things that we, a lot of us knew last year.

00:23:29.500 Uh, but now people are finding out for the first time.

00:23:32.120 Um, but even still, uh, unfortunately there are still those who, you know, let's say there

00:23:37.520 is a not guilty verdict on the serious charges.

00:23:40.060 Uh, there are going to be those, uh, in the country who will think, well, this is a grave,

00:23:43.740 uh, you know, you know, justice was not done because, uh, clearly he was guilty from the

00:23:49.320 start.

00:23:49.620 Uh, but, uh, I just, I just implore people, just look at the videos that were taken that

00:23:55.660 night.

00:23:56.320 Um, and, and there should be no doubt left in anybody's mind after seeing that.

00:24:01.040 If this judge is telling this jury and these lawyers, it is not okay to ask the jury to

00:24:05.980 speculate about whether Kyle Rittenhouse pointed that gun, um, at the Zeminski's.

00:24:11.420 That's the guy who fired in the air right before, you know, that caused, um, Rittenhouse to

00:24:16.960 turn around and see Rosenbaum charging him and then shoot.

00:24:20.060 That's a great ruling for the prosecution.

00:24:21.740 So, you know, we're, we're all sort of watching it piecemeal, trying to get our arms around

00:24:24.700 what the judge is and is not allowing.

00:24:26.660 And he's not always perfectly clear on it, um, as they start are about to start closing

00:24:31.200 arguments.

00:24:31.560 So we'll, we'll see what the prosecution does and whether it draws an objection and what

00:24:35.400 he does with that photograph.

00:24:36.580 But if that photograph's out, um, or he can't really argue, it shows Rittenhouse pointing his

00:24:41.780 gun, then they literally have nothing to undermine the self-defense claim.

00:24:45.280 I mean, then they have nothing to undermine the self-defense claim, nothing.

00:24:50.020 Um, and I don't know.

00:24:50.920 I mean, I think this judge would be within his rights and just in not even letting it

00:24:54.700 get to the jury.

00:24:55.360 I don't think he'll do that.

00:24:56.840 Um, I think he will let the jury decide, but you're right.

00:24:59.260 And now what do you make of the fact, what's the buzz there about the fact that the judge

00:25:02.520 did allow and, um, lesser included charges.

00:25:06.560 So he's giving the jury a way of convicting Kyle on, you know, they're not making him just

00:25:13.260 look at, let's say Huber, the guy who beat Rittenhouse with the skateboard and tried to

00:25:17.260 grab his gun.

00:25:18.540 All he was facing conviction on was first degree murder on that case, intentional homicide.

00:25:24.060 Now they're going to be lesser included charges there.

00:25:27.160 And, you know, I can see the argument that that's not so good for Kyle because a jury

00:25:30.640 afraid of civil unrest of what the, you know, town is going to do, what the nation's going

00:25:36.040 to do might try to so-called split the baby on some of these charges.

00:25:42.340 Yeah, I, I, I don't, that's, that's not good because I mean, you're absolutely right.

00:25:46.860 I mean, in terms of the jury, we're having to worry because potential jurors at the very

00:25:50.800 start of this, uh, quite a few of them did, uh, voice their concern for their safety, uh,

00:25:57.000 for the town safety.

00:25:58.380 Uh, and in fact, one of the potential jurors said that no one wanted to be in the room at

00:26:02.620 that moment and honestly, we can blame them, right?

00:26:04.740 Because I mean, again, this has been so, uh, misconstrued and twisted and people just haven't

00:26:10.580 looked at all the facts and they, they, they've made baseless claims based on not knowing all

00:26:14.940 the facts.

00:26:15.320 And so, no, I think that, I think this is, that is something that they could try to do

00:26:19.920 to try to placate the mob was like, okay, well, we're not going to go for the serious

00:26:23.540 charges, but we'll, we'll, we'll throw them a bone or something.

00:26:25.580 And yeah, I mean, and, and Megan, as I'm sure, you know, you know, juries can be, it can

00:26:30.080 be a fickle thing, you know, everything can go right.

00:26:32.620 Uh, in a trial for, you know, for you, but you know, ultimately it's what they decide.

00:26:36.540 And, uh, I think, I think, unfortunately, um, we, we, there is concern about that external

00:26:41.940 pressure because last week the judge revealed that someone was filming the jury while they

00:26:47.660 were being picked up at the, at the bus stop that morning.

00:26:49.880 Uh, and so, I mean, and then we had that example of that activist in Minneapolis saying that,

00:26:54.320 oh yeah, we have people in the courtroom and elsewhere taking photos of the jury.

00:26:57.840 So, I mean, that, that, that, but that's not how justice is supposed to be done, right?

00:27:01.280 That, that, that is not how this is supposed to work.

00:27:02.880 It's supposed to just be on the facts of the case.

00:27:05.880 Well, and we're also now hearing there are threats to the judge that he's revealed, uh,

00:27:11.240 he's received threats, uh, that threaten the lives of his children that promised payback.

00:27:16.980 And also that state that Kyle Rittenhouse quote, will not live long if he is acquitted.

00:27:22.460 Um, an email that was released this, according to the daily mails reporting States, the hope that

00:27:26.780 one day judge Schrader's kids become victims to the most heinous homicide node to man.

00:27:32.460 So he feels the pain.

00:27:35.060 Um, and it goes on from there.

00:27:37.440 I mean, this is to me, the bitter irony of all this is that the protests in Kenosha happened

00:27:44.700 because these activists rushed to judgment in the police involved shooting of Jacob Blake

00:27:50.860 in which the police have been totally exonerated.

00:27:53.040 Jacob Blake was the aggressor.

00:27:54.760 Jacob Blake resisted arrest.

00:27:56.140 Jacob Blake pulled a knife on the cops.

00:27:57.920 And that's why Jacob Blake got shot.

00:27:59.980 He lived, but that is why he got shot.

00:28:02.280 And so the protesters who decided to burn gas stations and other buildings that night

00:28:06.100 were protesting the justified shooting of a man who pulled a knife on cops.

00:28:12.900 Now Kyle Rittenhouse goes out there and now he's on trial.

00:28:15.660 The media totally misrepresents that case.

00:28:18.240 And now we may see rioting if he is exonerated, as I believe he should be, as the evidence

00:28:25.240 suggests he ought to be.

00:28:26.940 I mean, how disgusting is this?

00:28:29.020 And the judge is facing death threats and his kids are facing death threats and the jury's

00:28:32.200 facing threats.

00:28:33.720 I mean, do people see how insane this is?

00:28:36.860 How, how the, the downward spiral out of actual justice is occurring every step of the

00:28:42.500 way.

00:28:42.680 I mean, Megan, to say that, you know, the feeling of frustration and aggravation, I mean,

00:28:49.620 it doesn't even begin to convey, you know, what I actually feel because I've been, I was

00:28:56.480 here, you know, I saw it and I experienced, you know, much of what happened here in Kenosha.

00:29:02.260 And it's just a sad reality that, you know, because Kenosha is not a super wealthy town.

00:29:06.440 You know, these are just everyday average Americans and they had to deal with the wrath of

00:29:11.040 rioters because, yeah, as you mentioned, they, they jumped to conclusions because admittedly,

00:29:14.600 yeah, when I first saw the video, I thought, okay, that looks pretty bad, but it also didn't

00:29:18.160 make sense.

00:29:18.600 Like what, like what, what got it to that point?

00:29:21.380 And then, yeah, the Kenosha district attorney looked into it, the DOJ looked into it and

00:29:25.620 they said, well, actually the officer was shot in self-defense.

00:29:29.420 And so, and, and so we, we, we have all of these cases where, you know, the media, even

00:29:36.040 with the trial, even as the trial is ongoing, when it's in broad daylight and there's multiple

00:29:39.740 cameras showing it, they, they've misrepresented some of the parts of this trial.

00:29:44.280 I mean, Gage Grosskreutz completely agreed with defense, whole claim to self-defense when

00:29:50.180 they were cross-examining him.

00:29:51.260 Instead, the media led off with, by saying, oh yeah, well, he thought he was an active

00:29:54.260 shooter and maybe they included that, included, you know, five, six, seven graphs down in the

00:30:00.680 story, right?

00:30:01.120 But people's main takeaway was like, oh yeah, you know, he was in the right because he was

00:30:03.760 trying to stop an active shooter.

00:30:04.660 That's what was going through his mind.

00:30:05.700 Um, but no, it, it, it's, it's very disgusting that this is the environment that, that we're,

00:30:13.040 that we're working in and, and a large part of the mainstream media has, has made things

00:30:17.480 worse.

00:30:17.900 And, you know, if, you know, if Rittenhouse is acquitted and if there's unrest that

00:30:23.020 follows, um, that's going to be on them as well because they have helped ban the flames

00:30:27.740 and it's just, it shouldn't have to come down to a handful of street reporters such as

00:30:34.080 myself to try to accurately portray what, what's going on in these chaotic situations.

00:30:37.840 But unfortunately that, that's the reality that, that, that we're living in.

00:30:41.720 And no one's even claiming, Jose, that, that, uh, no one's claiming that, um, Julio, sorry,

00:30:46.700 forgive me, that the, uh, the video is, is inaccurate, right?

00:30:51.940 No one's claiming that it's fake, it's doctored, right?

00:30:55.480 No, no.

00:30:57.520 And it's not, I mean, again, um, we're, we're, we're not out there to try to paint some sort

00:31:03.940 of narrative where we just record the videos and, and there's also other, I mean, there's

00:31:08.460 also like a local live streamer who testified that the prosecution brought up that also destroyed

00:31:12.880 the prosecution's case.

00:31:13.960 Um, and so that, you know, that that's from a, you know, quote unquote, non-conservative

00:31:17.400 source that further strengthened Rittenhouse's claim to self-defense.

00:31:20.720 So no, I mean, in the video, I, I mean, I can speak for myself.

00:31:25.140 My video is not doctored.

00:31:26.280 It's not taken out of context.

00:31:27.380 And, uh, it's just, it, it is what it is.

00:31:30.160 And again, that's why I, I always tell people just look at the videos from that night and

00:31:34.520 there's multiple videos, right?

00:31:35.660 It's not just me.

00:31:36.220 It's not just two videos.

00:31:37.560 It's multiple videos.

00:31:39.140 Well, so now let me ask you this, cause there's the national guards are apparently ready for

00:31:42.700 this verdict and, and they predict it's going to happen pretty quickly.

00:31:45.940 Who knows?

00:31:46.560 Juries do what they're going to do here.

00:31:48.400 They've already received the instructions that's happening today.

00:31:50.400 Then they do the closing arguments.

00:31:52.360 That's supposed to take only about 90 minutes per lawyer.

00:31:55.340 We'll see.

00:31:56.360 And then they're going to retire and start their deliberations.

00:31:59.420 Um, the governor says, um, the national guards ready and that he's authorized 500 Wisconsin

00:32:06.040 national guard troops to support Kenosha authorities.

00:32:08.600 The sheriff has said, we've not yet officially requested the national guard, but they may.

00:32:12.080 And you tell me, cause the governor made an interesting statement.

00:32:14.720 He said, quote, we continue to be in close contact with our partners at the local level

00:32:19.380 to ensure the state provides support and resources to help keep the Kenosha community and greater

00:32:26.340 area safe.

00:32:27.540 We continue.

00:32:29.540 My, my feeling in reading this, then he goes on to say Kenosha community has been strong,

00:32:33.200 resilient, has come together through the incredible difficult times these past two years.

00:32:36.060 The healing is still ongoing.

00:32:38.200 Um, I don't know if you, maybe you're in close contact.

00:32:42.560 Maybe that's a continuation of something, but the continuation of providing support and

00:32:46.720 resources to keep Kenosha community safe.

00:32:49.400 Isn't that how this whole mess started the failure by authorities to keep the peace.

00:32:54.960 I'm not condoning what Kyle Rittenhouse did.

00:32:57.320 I've said publicly, I'm, you know, I realized there's a strong camp on the right saying he

00:33:00.860 had every right to be there with his gun and all.

00:33:02.540 I don't see it that way.

00:33:03.380 I'm like a mom and I don't think a 17 year old belongs with an AR 15 and these protests

00:33:07.780 trying to keep the peace.

00:33:08.780 The police should have done their job.

00:33:10.400 The governor should have done his job.

00:33:12.100 And when they don't bad things happen if, if private citizens try to step in, in this case

00:33:16.600 is a pretty good example of that.

00:33:17.720 However, for him to now say, don't worry, we know we've come together.

00:33:23.500 We've been keeping the peace.

00:33:24.420 No, you haven't.

00:33:25.360 You have not.

00:33:26.120 You failed in your job.

00:33:27.340 That's really what led to this whole mess.

00:33:30.100 No, absolutely.

00:33:31.440 And that's what I always say when, when I talk about who's really at fault here and it's

00:33:35.100 the fault of the state and local officials.

00:33:36.920 I mean, uh, after the first night of rioting, only 125 National Guardsmen were activated.

00:33:42.700 Now the governor has defended by saying, well, that's really the only quick reaction force

00:33:46.740 that we had at the time.

00:33:47.720 So that's why it was so, so low.

00:33:49.700 But, but remember we were in month three of riots happening.

00:33:54.600 I mean, this wasn't the first riot that happened in 2020.

00:33:56.780 This was after multiple weeks of unrest throughout the country, pretty destructive.

00:34:01.300 And many, you know, Minneapolis is not that far from Wisconsin.

00:34:05.380 Right.

00:34:05.780 I mean, so they, they should have had a much better plan in place in case, Hey, maybe,

00:34:11.120 you know, Wisconsin, a city of Wisconsin could be the next, uh, town where there's massive

00:34:15.440 riots.

00:34:15.840 Uh, and so they, uh, you know, thankfully I guess, you know, they've learned from, from

00:34:20.700 that mistake, but yeah, ultimately it, it, it, this whole situation, um, is, is the fault

00:34:26.860 of the state and local authorities because then, yeah, you're right.

00:34:29.260 When there's a power vacuum, uh, bad things happen.

00:34:32.200 And I can talk to, you know, that happened at the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, uh, in

00:34:36.800 Seattle as well on a much, you know, lesser, lesser example of that, but there was no cops

00:34:40.920 around it.

00:34:41.280 So what happened?

00:34:41.720 People were stealing from each other.

00:34:43.020 People were, there was fights all over.

00:34:45.020 Um, but yeah, when, when there's, when there's no law and order, bad things can happen.

00:34:49.760 That's exactly right.

00:34:50.860 That's exactly right.

00:34:51.780 And what we've seen from our officials in power is they care very much about it when it

00:34:56.620 has to do with Trump or the date happens to be January 6th, 2017.

00:35:02.540 Um, but they don't care at all.

00:35:05.360 Wait, 1721.

00:35:07.180 I'm really, I must be tired today, Julio.

00:35:09.220 Uh, but my point is Monday.

00:35:11.420 Yeah, when, when they care about, they care about it when it's a Trump supporter and they

00:35:14.640 don't seem much to care about it when it's violence created by black lives matter protester.

00:35:19.400 Um, but if you're somebody there who finds himself embroiled in a, in a conflict against

00:35:23.920 somebody who labels themselves a black lives matter, uh, protester, watch out because then

00:35:28.720 they can, then they'll throw the book at you.

00:35:30.140 And that's what we're seeing right now in a case that it seems to me, this judge even knows

00:35:33.900 never should have been brought.

00:35:36.300 And the bitter irony, if his acquittal, if that's what happens results in more riots,

00:35:41.300 um, that's just, you know, it's like a never ending cycle.

00:35:44.940 Listen, thank you because without truth tellers like you and the, you know, the quick thinking

00:35:48.840 and courageous willingness to be in the mix and to videotape what you saw, we wouldn't

00:35:54.620 know, you know, we wouldn't know what the truth was.

00:35:56.980 So all the best to you, Julio.

00:35:58.320 And we'll, we'll have you back on.

00:36:00.080 Thank you.

00:36:00.660 Thanks for having me.

00:36:01.640 Coming up, speaking of January 6th and all of the goings on under Trump, we've got Kash

00:36:06.960 Patel.

00:36:07.580 He's a former Trump administration official.

00:36:09.580 We're going to ask him about Steve Bannon's arrest, uh, for not complying with the subpoena

00:36:14.660 of those trying to get to the bottom of January 6th.

00:36:16.680 They want him to be deposed.

00:36:18.000 They want his documents.

00:36:18.740 And he said, no, because Trump asserted executive privilege.

00:36:22.540 Kash Patel is in a similar situation.

00:36:24.100 So is this retribution for a lot of Trump officials dismantling the claim of these very

00:36:31.920 same Democrats on the so-called Steele dossier?

00:36:35.540 The two things may be related.

00:36:37.120 We're going to get into it in just a minute.

00:36:38.920 And remember, you can find the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM Triumph channel 111 every

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00:37:08.360 week, breaking down all the legal angles to the Rittenhouse trial.

00:37:11.160 And I have to say, watching the case right now, nailed it, predicted the gun charge, understood

00:37:16.800 the provocation, and you will understand it too.

00:37:19.120 If you just go back, it was, I don't know, what was it, Wednesday of the last week, you

00:37:22.100 guys?

00:37:22.360 Wednesday or Thursday?

00:37:23.140 You'll check it out.

00:37:23.660 You'll find it.

00:37:24.420 Yeah, Wednesday.

00:37:25.660 All right.

00:37:25.980 So stay tuned.

00:37:33.780 My next guest is involved in not one, but two major stories in the headlines right now.

00:37:38.540 Kash Patel is one of the people subpoenaed by the House Committee investigating the January

00:37:43.900 6th riot on Capitol Hill.

00:37:46.100 Well, just a few hours ago, Steve Bannon, a former advisor to former President Trump,

00:37:50.880 turned himself into the FBI for failing to comply with his similar subpoena.

00:37:56.440 So what does Bannon's indictment mean for Kash Patel?

00:38:00.800 We'll ask him.

00:38:01.840 But this is not the first time that Kash has been in the crosshairs of the Democrats.

00:38:06.420 For years, Kash has been relentlessly dismantling their Russiagate narrative.

00:38:11.960 That's why they don't like him.

00:38:13.200 Last week, another indictment relating to the Steele dossier came down, further chipping

00:38:19.980 away at this whole collusion narrative, which was a lie.

00:38:25.300 So will there ever be a reckoning for the lies told to the American people by the Democrats,

00:38:31.200 by the media, and they hold on to them still?

00:38:36.020 Kash Patel is a former Pentagon chief of staff and a senior fellow for the National Security

00:38:39.540 and Intelligence at the Center for Renewing America.

00:38:42.240 He's my guest now.

00:38:42.980 Kash, great to meet you.

00:38:43.820 Thanks for coming on.

00:38:45.380 Megan, thanks so much for having me on.

00:38:46.660 Really looking forward to being with you here.

00:38:48.540 All right.

00:38:48.760 So just to set the stage and we'll do.

00:38:50.840 I know that you are like neck deep in all this, but let's let's do Steele dossier 101

00:38:55.040 and assume our guests are not our audience, not as up to speed.

00:38:59.320 You were working for Devin Nunes at the time.

00:39:01.060 And you see the Democrats going nuts with Trump collusion, Trump collusion, Steele dossier.

00:39:05.440 This guy, former spy, he says Trump has a p-tape and Putin's got compromising material

00:39:10.220 on him, compromat and Steele is to be trusted.

00:39:14.380 He's this former British spy and we know he really knows his stuff about Russia.

00:39:18.260 And this is how it was fed to us.

00:39:20.580 And Trump was behind Russia's the leak, the WikiLeaks documents that got the DNC's emails

00:39:27.880 and so on.

00:39:28.400 Trump orchestrated it all and that his connections with the Russians go back years and years

00:39:32.560 and years.

00:39:32.980 This is my thumbnail sketch of what was in the media back then based on the Steele dossier

00:39:37.400 and others.

00:39:38.000 So you're working for Nunes and you guys say like, no, no, not really.

00:39:45.840 And just walk us through when you came out with that report with Nunes, basically what

00:39:50.760 your pushback was on the narrative back then.

00:39:53.900 And this is in the midst of it all when everybody's buying it.

00:39:56.740 Absolutely.

00:39:56.960 So that was one of the best thumbnail sketches of Russiagate I've ever heard.

00:39:59.760 So you should take it on the road.

00:40:01.680 But as a former federal prosecutor, former public defender who tried 60 jury trials to

00:40:06.600 verdict, criminal trials, and as a former intelligence officer before I went over to

00:40:10.320 Devin and led the Russiagate investigation, one of the reasons he brought me over was my

00:40:14.420 background.

00:40:14.800 And he said, how do we take this thing on?

00:40:16.460 And I said, there's a couple of ways to do it.

00:40:17.960 One, we got to follow the money.

00:40:19.720 Someone paid for this thing.

00:40:20.800 So we have to use that as Avenue A.

00:40:22.720 Avenue B, you have to follow and dismantle the credibility or verify the credibility

00:40:28.060 of the sources.

00:40:29.220 The sources being Steele and the likes of Danchenko and all these other folks that have

00:40:34.020 now come to light.

00:40:34.940 And so that's what you have to do when you piece together this thing called a FISA warrant.

00:40:38.940 And all that is, is fancy speak for a search warrant that goes to a different court because

00:40:42.640 it has different collection capabilities.

00:40:44.720 The standard of proof is still the same probable cause.

00:40:47.500 And what you have to do is say, hey, do these people that Steele used and is Steele himself

00:40:53.020 credible?

00:40:53.540 Does he have any biases?

00:40:54.920 And who paid for it?

00:40:56.240 Where did the money come from?

00:40:57.160 Did it come from his opponents?

00:40:58.280 Did it come from his supporters?

00:40:59.880 And was the FBI and DOJ at fault for any of the information?

00:41:03.860 Did they fail to disclose evidence of innocence and some of these biases and credibility?

00:41:08.840 So those were the-

00:41:09.500 And just to jump in, just to jump in.

00:41:10.900 So because it's like, hey, Christopher Steele needs to get paid.

00:41:13.340 He's not doing this out of the goodness of his heart.

00:41:15.020 So let's find out who paid him.

00:41:16.200 And secondly, who did he give the information to?

00:41:18.900 Well, FBI, DOJ, they, like reporters, are supposed to be super skeptical when somebody

00:41:24.660 comes to them.

00:41:25.460 And especially if they might, in a case like Christopher Steele, have reason to believe

00:41:29.500 that the person bringing it to them has deep ties to a candidate running for president who

00:41:34.260 hates the other candidate running for president about whom the negative information is, right?

00:41:39.960 So it's like red flags everywhere.

00:41:42.240 You're sitting in front of a red flag right now.

00:41:44.180 It happens to be our American red flag.

00:41:45.420 This is the old-fashioned red flag that a reporter, the DOJ, the FBI should have had

00:41:50.480 all over them saying, holy shit, this is a hit job.

00:41:53.140 It's a hit job by Hillary and Clinton and Trump.

00:41:55.740 Move on.

00:41:56.660 But boy, did they go another direction.

00:41:58.740 Yeah, look, they just didn't want that narrative to be true.

00:42:01.220 And Devin and I had an agreement.

00:42:02.380 Whatever we found, we were going to put out.

00:42:03.800 We didn't know what we were going to find back then.

00:42:05.420 We didn't know we were going to find the DNC and Hillary paid $10 million to their lawyers

00:42:08.940 to buy Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS and then corrupt the FBI into the political scandal

00:42:14.020 in history.

00:42:14.600 We didn't know we were going to find their sources hated President Trump or then-candidate

00:42:18.740 Trump.

00:42:19.200 They combined together with the political hacks like Adam Schiff to put out this narrative

00:42:23.640 with willing participants in the mainstream media to lie to the American public.

00:42:27.880 Let me jump in again.

00:42:29.020 Let me jump in because I want to keep it 101.

00:42:30.880 I want to keep it 101.

00:42:31.980 So on that front, Christopher Steele openly hated Donald Trump and didn't want him to

00:42:37.020 be elected and said that to basically everyone.

00:42:40.140 The FBI knew that.

00:42:41.320 The DOJ knew that.

00:42:42.860 But they went in to get this FISA court warrant, this sort of secret court that gives you

00:42:46.280 warrants on somebody that you need to spy on as, you know, our intelligence services

00:42:49.780 because they might be bad and you can't really notify them.

00:42:52.540 You know, if you think it's an actual bad guy, you don't want to give him a heads up.

00:42:55.160 You're going to bug his house.

00:42:55.980 They got a FISA court warrant on Carter Page saying he was with the Trump campaign.

00:43:00.580 He was at the heart of this relationship with Russia, all this stuff.

00:43:03.660 And they didn't disclose any of Christopher Steele's multiple conflicts of interest, his

00:43:08.340 connection with the Clintons or that basically they already had reason to believe the entire

00:43:13.880 Steele document was a load of crap.

00:43:16.940 They they'd already been warned and they didn't disclose any of it.

00:43:21.440 Therefore, they got their warrant and we were off to the races on the whole Trump

00:43:25.440 investigation.

00:43:26.300 So now, years later, now the whole thing's collapsed.

00:43:29.000 We know Christopher Steele has no credibility.

00:43:30.740 I mean, we know it.

00:43:31.600 Objective people know it.

00:43:33.000 I'm not some Trump sycophant.

00:43:34.600 I'm telling you, it's bullshit.

00:43:37.580 So we know that the mainstream media keeps putting him on TV, celebrating the guy.

00:43:41.920 And yet there's little John Durham.

00:43:43.320 And explain for the audience who John Durham is.

00:43:46.680 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:47.180 So after our Russiagate investigation, the attorney general appointed a special counsel.

00:43:52.100 What's a special counsel?

00:43:53.400 It's a lawyer who's charged with leading an intensive and a high profile investigation

00:43:58.520 that can't be run within the Department of Justice itself.

00:44:02.160 John Durham comes online.

00:44:03.580 Career federal prosecutor comes in and investigates Trump, Russia, collusion narrative, and also

00:44:09.040 investigates the investigators.

00:44:10.680 The people in the FBI and DOJ, like Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Lisa Page, who helped perpetuate

00:44:15.600 this fraud, not just the Christopher Steele's infusion GPS of the world, but he's looking

00:44:19.280 at everything.

00:44:20.320 And fast forward to today, he's now issued three indictments, which I think speak to

00:44:25.000 the entire Russia collusion narrative.

00:44:27.320 One, against the FBI lawyer.

00:44:29.220 He caught an FBI lawyer lying to a federal court to get the FISA warrant on Carter Page.

00:44:35.080 Two, he got suspended in an indictment.

00:44:37.180 Suspense, the lead Democratic lawyer who has paid all that money that we talked about.

00:44:41.460 He's been indicted to the FBI for helping perpetuate the Russia collusion narrative based

00:44:45.500 on the House of Justice.

00:44:45.920 Connected to Hillary's campaign.

00:44:47.300 Mm-hmm.

00:44:48.120 And three, the Danchenko indictment.

00:44:50.240 Why is that important?

00:44:51.480 That's important because basically he was Christopher Steele's main source.

00:44:55.140 The guy that Steele said, I've got all this great Russian information from this Russian

00:44:58.900 who now comes out and says, I never gave any information to Christopher Steele.

00:45:02.140 And, oh, by the way, he's now charged by Don Durham for committing a felony.

00:45:07.960 Yeah.

00:45:08.120 OK, so nobody's heard the name Igor Danchenko, but he and he's pleaded not guilty to having

00:45:12.680 lied to the FBI.

00:45:13.720 That's what he's being charged with, having lied to the FBI.

00:45:16.560 Not so much like having lied to Christopher Steele or sort of being part of this collusion

00:45:22.280 in the first place to come up with a phony narrative, but having lied to the FBI about

00:45:26.700 it.

00:45:26.880 So explain exactly why this further under undermines the Christopher Steele dossier.

00:45:34.560 Sure.

00:45:35.400 Basically, look, Steele says he wrote his dossier based on all this subsource network

00:45:39.680 that he had based in Russia, even though he, Christopher Steele himself, hadn't been to

00:45:43.400 Russia in almost 20 years.

00:45:45.060 The main source of the dossier, the book against Trump, was this guy, Igor Danchenko.

00:45:51.000 And he has now been indicted by John Durham.

00:45:53.460 Why is that a problem?

00:45:54.260 One, it goes to the credibility of Steele's main source.

00:45:58.300 But two, more importantly, as we learned in the Danchenko indictment, he provided no verified

00:46:05.780 credible information to Christopher Steele.

00:46:07.860 That's what he, Igor Danchenko, the charged defendant under John Durham, is telling the

00:46:12.480 world.

00:46:13.120 And Christopher Steele has spent the last four years lying to the world about Danchenko

00:46:16.780 and his credibility.

00:46:17.740 So he got caught, and now the world sees that his dossier is based on not verifiable information,

00:46:24.620 and the source said it's total BS.

00:46:27.240 And he's not the only one.

00:46:28.640 Sergey Millian came out.

00:46:29.680 Another source that Steele said was in the dossier.

00:46:32.580 And now it's been proven.

00:46:33.960 And the Washington Post had to issue three redactions from their years of reporting where

00:46:38.040 they accused, where they said Steele was using Millian as a source for the dossier.

00:46:42.760 Enter John Durham.

00:46:43.540 John Durham proves that Steele never used Millian as a dossier, and that Steele lied about it.

00:46:48.880 So it's another big credibility problem.

00:46:50.440 Now, John Durham seems to be alleging that Danchenko also lied in saying that he got some

00:46:58.500 of this information from this guy named Sergei Millan and claiming that some guy named Charles

00:47:03.720 Dolan, who's a Clinton crony, didn't provide anything to him.

00:47:08.820 And what Durham seems to be saying is Sergei Millan wasn't your source.

00:47:12.880 It was this Clinton crony named Charles Dolan.

00:47:15.920 You were totally connected to the Clintons, and you lied to everybody about it.

00:47:19.600 And I've heard two camps on this, Cash.

00:47:21.560 You tell me.

00:47:22.100 I've heard some say, you know, so Durham saying he lied to the FBI about his sources.

00:47:27.360 And one camp saying, well, the poor FBI, they were duped.

00:47:31.360 And the other camp saying, oh, please.

00:47:33.740 Oh, please.

00:47:34.520 The FBI knew.

00:47:35.720 You can lie to somebody who already knows the answer and still get charged.

00:47:39.260 Let me let me pause.

00:47:40.780 I'll just pause it there because we have a hard break that we always have to hit at 125545.

00:47:44.580 So I'll leave the audience hanging on that exciting question, whether it's known and it

00:47:50.460 was known by the FBI that it was a Clinton crony behind this entire thing or not.

00:47:54.760 When we come back with Cash Patel and we'll ask him about the Bannon arrest and what's Cash

00:48:01.520 going to do, because he's facing a similar subpoena in just a couple of minutes.

00:48:06.140 Don't go away.

00:48:07.100 Exciting day here on The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:48:08.540 I'm starting to wake up.

00:48:09.280 Here with me now, Cash Patel, former Pentagon chief of staff and a senior fellow for national

00:48:19.580 security and intelligence at the Center for Renewing America.

00:48:22.980 He was right in the heart of debunking this whole Russiagate narrative and the phony

00:48:27.560 steel dossier when it was coming down and was big time targeted by the Democrats.

00:48:32.040 They called them all sorts of terrible names and the press, by the way, to for not not just

00:48:36.860 at the time, but for months and years thereafter, they've tried to demonize you, Cash.

00:48:41.400 But now we know that you were right to be casting doubt on this deal dossier, to put it

00:48:45.800 charitably, and that it's fallen apart and that thanks to this latest John Durham indictment,

00:48:50.560 what we know is that the the main source behind the dossier was a liar.

00:48:57.500 He lied about how he got his information, about from whom he got his information.

00:49:01.500 And it seems like the Clinton crony, Charles Dolan, was very much involved in

00:49:06.780 spoon feeding this guy bad information that would hurt Trump.

00:49:11.040 So why haven't we seen more of that in the media?

00:49:13.360 I wonder.

00:49:14.580 But let's start before we get to this guy, Charles Dolan, the Clinton crony, with whether

00:49:18.620 the FBI, like the guy in the casino in Casablanca, was shocked, shocked that there were lies

00:49:26.280 being told, right?

00:49:27.220 There's there's gambling here.

00:49:28.360 I mean, that's kind of what John Durham is saying, right?

00:49:31.320 This guy lied.

00:49:32.700 This this Igor Danchenko lied to the FBI about his sources and the poor FBI was duped.

00:49:39.980 Yeah, the world's number one law enforcement agency wasn't duped.

00:49:42.720 They were in on it.

00:49:43.460 Let me give you some concrete facts.

00:49:45.120 When we pulled the FBI and DOJ's own documentation during Russiagate investigation, it showed that

00:49:50.460 the FBI knew when it applied to the FISA court for that warrant, they knew of the connection

00:49:55.960 between Christopher Steele and the Hillary Clinton and DNC campaign and withheld it.

00:50:00.160 The FBI knew Christopher Steele hated Donald Trump and had a bias against him, and they

00:50:04.960 hid it from the federal court.

00:50:06.060 The FBI knew that there was tens of millions of dollars coming in from the DNC campaign through

00:50:12.320 their lawyers and Fusion GPS bought and paid for Christopher Steele with that money, and

00:50:16.680 they hid it from the FISA court.

00:50:18.600 So there's no way this FBI or that FBI can say they were duped under, you know, James

00:50:23.600 Comey and his magnificent ego.

00:50:25.320 There's no way that could possibly have happened under that guy's egomaniacal reign.

00:50:29.080 But also there's the Annie McCaves and Peter Strauss of the world whose text messages we

00:50:32.840 have that show themselves admitting they knew this information.

00:50:36.740 It's for the public to see.

00:50:38.180 So they weren't duped.

00:50:39.380 They were in on it, which is why it's so terrifying that the FBI and DOJ can be hijacked

00:50:43.640 by one political party to be used against an enemy.

00:50:46.120 A hundred percent this if you haven't been paying attention.

00:50:49.200 Listen, I went into this whole thing.

00:50:50.360 I was like, you know, not a particularly huge Trump fan, you know, but I was still objective

00:50:54.720 about him in trying to assess what he's actually done and what he hasn't done.

00:50:58.880 And this stunk.

00:51:00.080 It stunk to high heaven.

00:51:01.460 And it's it's been completely debunked now just for people out there who are looking for

00:51:05.980 an honest assessment.

00:51:06.880 There is no absolutely no piece of the Steele dossier has been confirmed, upheld.

00:51:12.140 It's gone entirely the other way.

00:51:13.820 This is a Hillary Clinton operation.

00:51:15.700 That's what the evidence has shown.

00:51:17.400 But you tell me, Cash, because John Durham knows more than, you know, even you.

00:51:21.540 He definitely knows more than I know.

00:51:23.020 So he knows the FBI wasn't duped.

00:51:24.960 So why is he indicting people like Denchenko for lying to the FBI?

00:51:30.520 Well, so what John Durham has done is transition the whole Russiagate hoax.

00:51:33.460 So we've got to stop calling it that and call it what John Durham has validated to be.

00:51:36.840 It's an organized criminal enterprise.

00:51:39.380 Yes, it's a mob style conspiracy that was issued by James Comey and his acolytes.

00:51:44.600 And that's what John Durham is working.

00:51:45.860 When I was putting together federal prosecutions, you start on the bottom of the pyramid and you

00:51:49.580 get the guys you can get for process crimes who are going to flip up and don't want to

00:51:53.040 go to jail.

00:51:53.620 And that's why I think all roads do lead to Deputy Director Andy McCabe.

00:51:57.180 You can't just indict him right away.

00:51:59.100 You have to build those building blocks.

00:52:00.500 What gives me confidence in John Durham is the Charlie Dolans of the world.

00:52:04.240 Look, we issued 20 congressional subpoenas to obtain documentation related to the FBI's

00:52:10.240 FISA warrant application and Christopher Steele.

00:52:12.140 Rod Rosenstein and Christopher Wray withheld 35 to 40 percent of those documents.

00:52:17.140 Myself and Devin Nunes had never heard of Charles Dolan until last week.

00:52:21.720 Now, it's bad because they violated congressional subpoenas.

00:52:24.240 But it's good because it means John Durham is actually getting the missing third of information

00:52:29.820 that we never got and using it in federal indictments.

00:52:32.980 And that's what I think is most telling about his organized his exposure of this organized

00:52:38.360 criminal enterprise.

00:52:39.980 Wow.

00:52:40.680 I mean, it's just so crazy to think about it that we spent years trying to look at the

00:52:44.700 Trump campaign and see if they had colluded with Russia.

00:52:46.820 And that's how he got elected, you know, by playing dirty behind the scenes.

00:52:51.160 And the truth appears to be that the other candidate in that race in 2016, Hillary Clinton

00:52:55.980 was the one playing dirty and essentially using not the Russians exactly, but a story about

00:53:02.240 the Russians, a fake story to try to hurt the other candidate.

00:53:05.300 And then once he beat her to try to ruin his presidency, it's crazy.

00:53:09.500 I mean, this is like if you pitch this in a movie script, they'd be like, no, no one's

00:53:14.760 going to believe this nonsense.

00:53:16.880 So, OK, so so none of that is particularly good for the people who are higher up than

00:53:23.620 the Denchenkos of the world.

00:53:25.620 So you think further indictments may come down by John Durham when when all is said and

00:53:30.540 done.

00:53:31.040 Can you speak to that a little bit more?

00:53:32.280 I want to get to Adam Schiff in one second, but speak to that a little bit more, because

00:53:35.180 Andy McCarthy, who I do love, he he's been following this closely and he says, OK, so

00:53:41.240 does this mean this is in the wake of Denchenko's indictment?

00:53:44.760 Does this mean that John Durham is nearing a sweeping conspiracy indictment?

00:53:49.500 Will there be criminal charges that target the real 2016 collusion, not between the Trump

00:53:54.340 campaign and Russia, but between the Clinton campaign and U.S. officials who abused government

00:53:58.460 investigative powers for political purposes?

00:54:00.660 He says almost certainly not.

00:54:03.740 All signs are that Durham's going to end this investigation with a narrative report.

00:54:07.560 Womp womp.

00:54:08.120 That's a boring, long winded way of just telling us what he found as opposed to indicting the

00:54:12.760 big fish and that it may end sort of with a whimper instead of a bang.

00:54:17.240 You disagree?

00:54:18.660 I disagree.

00:54:19.440 I look, I love Andy McCarthy.

00:54:20.880 We're both former federal prosecutors.

00:54:22.460 I've worked with him in the past.

00:54:23.820 I just think he's wrong on this one because I don't expect the James Comey, Hillary Clinton's

00:54:28.580 of the world to be indicted.

00:54:29.340 Let's just, you know, level the playing field here.

00:54:31.080 I do expect the Lisa Page's, Peter Strzok's, future GPS's of the world, and ultimately

00:54:35.180 Andy McCabe to be indicted and or go down in Don Durham's report.

00:54:39.020 The higher level people will be talked about in John Durham's report.

00:54:42.080 Comey, Clinton, Brennan, Clapper, and the DNC and the like.

00:54:45.680 But the information that John Durham has revealed, i.e. the Charles Dolans of the world, and the

00:54:51.100 credibility problems that he continues to expose in the Steele dossier, he's not obtaining

00:54:55.900 bank records for 10 years.

00:54:57.640 He's not sending a federal subpoena to the Brookings Institute, a think tank, so he could

00:55:02.300 just meet out a few process crimes.

00:55:05.120 He's gathering this information and issuing 40 and 50 page indictments because it's his

00:55:09.520 only way to speak to the public legally about what he's currently working on.

00:55:14.400 And he's identified the Jake Sullivan's of the world in those indictments about their

00:55:18.360 culpability in this grand conspiracy.

00:55:21.000 So I don't think as a credible prosecutor, you issue those kinds of sweeping indictments

00:55:25.540 currently, if you just want to dirty the water.

00:55:28.060 That's not John Durham's style.

00:55:29.300 He's never done that.

00:55:30.760 He's not been a Democrat or Republican.

00:55:32.260 He's just been a career prosecutor.

00:55:33.600 So that's why I disagree with Andy.

00:55:35.180 And I think that Andy McCarthy, excuse me, Andy McCabe has the biggest problems of it all

00:55:40.580 because I believe he's he won.

00:55:42.260 He was caught lying by the inspector general.

00:55:43.940 And two, we also caught him lying to us in Congress when we deposed him.

00:55:48.780 He leaked to the Wall Street Journal and then lied about it.

00:55:51.040 And that's technically why he lost his job, because he leaked to the Wall Street Journal

00:55:54.120 and make himself look good.

00:55:55.660 And then when he got questioned about the FBI, he was like, oh, I don't remember anything

00:55:58.240 about it.

00:55:58.720 Meanwhile, it's a very huge deal as a record show when he was actually doing the lying.

00:56:01.940 I mean, the leaking.

00:56:03.000 So, yeah, that's why he got fired on paper.

00:56:05.420 But he was up to his neck in Russiagate.

00:56:08.600 And all the people you just mentioned are FBI people, right?

00:56:11.300 Peter Strzok and Lisa, whatever.

00:56:14.240 I mean, all those people you just mentioned, they're the ones who are the lovers who are

00:56:16.960 texting Lisa Page and all of them.

00:56:19.260 So those people, if those people go down.

00:56:20.960 But I also heard you talking on a podcast recently about Fiona Hill.

00:56:24.640 And can you just put some put some meat on those bones?

00:56:26.940 Because speaking of Brookings Institution, that's where she came from.

00:56:29.480 And it's sort of a left of center think tank.

00:56:32.580 And I heard I think it was maybe an Andy still describing that as sort of the

00:56:37.440 Democrats State Department in waiting when they're out of power.

00:56:40.660 Yeah, that's where all their would be State Department people are working like

00:56:43.580 Fiona Hill.

00:56:44.320 But she worked for the Trump administration.

00:56:46.060 And so what do you think?

00:56:47.440 Why do you think she may get the the wrath of John Durham in this whole thing?

00:56:52.420 Yeah, great question.

00:56:53.480 So Fiona Hill orchestrated the Ukraine impeachment fiasco while she was in the

00:56:57.540 National Security Council under Trump.

00:56:58.880 Why is she important?

00:57:00.440 Do you know who used to work for Fiona Hill?

00:57:02.880 Igor Danchenko.

00:57:04.120 She was Fiona Hill's research assistant.

00:57:06.300 Also, do you know who introduced Christopher Steele to Igor Danchenko?

00:57:11.560 Fiona Hill.

00:57:12.920 Do you know who introduced Igor Danchenko to Charles Dolan?

00:57:16.580 Fiona Hill.

00:57:17.520 Do you know who testified under oath to the world during the Ukraine impeachment fiasco

00:57:23.020 that she and I'm paraphrasing had no idea what Christopher Steele was doing or how those

00:57:28.740 guys compiled that dossier?

00:57:30.240 I think she has problems with lying to Congress under oath for making that statement after

00:57:35.540 we have now proven or Durham has now proven she made those introductions.

00:57:39.000 She works at the Brookings Institute and the Brookings Institute was subpoenaed by John

00:57:43.440 Durham in the spring of this year.

00:57:45.140 It's no coincidences.

00:57:46.580 There are no coincidences in federal indictments.

00:57:48.800 It just keeps spiraling upward, upward to bigger and better known names.

00:57:53.340 And I see your point.

00:57:54.360 It's going to stop eventually.

00:57:55.240 There's not going to be the Comey indictment or the Clinton indictment.

00:57:58.440 But, you know, the same newspapers that reported with such zeal that Trump and everyone around

00:58:03.360 him may have been conspiring with Russia ought to be reporting things like this.

00:58:07.400 Right.

00:58:07.580 Like who's caught in this net and who actually misled knowingly or otherwise or cooperated

00:58:12.040 with the FBI to mislead that that's a big story.

00:58:15.000 And we should see more people openly covering it.

00:58:17.540 Or let's spend a minute on Adam Schiff, because, boy, oh, boy.

00:58:20.900 I mean, if there's like one person who pushed Russiagate more than any other, you tell me

00:58:25.400 it's Adam Schiff, is it not?

00:58:27.600 He's the worst.

00:58:28.360 He's the biggest liar, I think, in the history of Congress.

00:58:31.040 OK, so just to give the audience a flavor here is this is soundbite number seven.

00:58:34.440 And here is what he was saying all along about the Steele dossier and his case against Trump

00:58:39.420 when it comes to Russiagate and collusion.

00:58:41.480 Listen.

00:58:43.240 So there's clear evidence on the issue of collusion, and this adds to that body of evidence.

00:58:47.780 There's ample evidence of collusion in plain sight, and that is true.

00:58:51.740 Have Democrats found any evidence of collusion?

00:58:54.020 Yes, we have.

00:58:55.020 You can see evidence in plain sight on the issue of collusion, pretty compelling evidence.

00:59:00.180 And there is significant evidence of collusion.

00:59:02.300 There is ample evidence.

00:59:03.160 And indeed, there is of collusion of people in the Trump campaign with the Russians.

00:59:08.140 I think there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy.

00:59:11.220 All of this is evidence of collusion.

00:59:13.400 There is significant evidence of collusion between the campaign and Russia.

00:59:19.080 Wow.

00:59:19.500 All right.

00:59:19.800 You get the flavor.

00:59:20.940 You get the flavor.

00:59:21.540 You lived it.

00:59:22.500 But let me just add to that, because he recently went on The View, and there was a conservative

00:59:26.300 former Trump official, I think, on set with him who pressed him and watched what happened.

00:59:32.400 But you may have helped spread Russian disinformation yourself for years by promoting this.

00:59:39.060 I think that's what Republicans and what people who entrusted you as the Intel Committee chair

00:59:43.700 are so confused about your culpability in all of this.

00:59:46.580 Well, I completely disagree with your premise.

00:59:48.480 It's one thing to say allegations should be investigated, and they were.

00:59:52.780 It's another to say that we should have foreseen in advance that some people were lying to Christopher

00:59:58.060 Steele, which is impossible, of course, to do.

01:00:00.020 But let's not use that as a smokescreen to somehow shield Donald Trump's culpability for inviting

01:00:08.440 Russia to help him in the election, which they did, for trying to coerce Ukraine into

01:00:12.300 helping him in the next election, which he did, into inciting an insurrection, which he

01:00:18.380 did.

01:00:19.340 None of that is undercut.

01:00:20.940 None of that serious misconduct is in any way diminished by the fact that people lied

01:00:25.140 to Christopher Steele.

01:00:26.080 No, I think just your credibility is.

01:00:27.900 Well, I think the credibility of your question is in doubt.

01:00:34.540 I'm just looking at the transcription of it.

01:00:36.940 Let's not use that, right?

01:00:38.540 It's another.

01:00:39.600 OK, just to go.

01:00:40.280 I completely disagree.

01:00:41.480 One thing to say allegations should be investigated.

01:00:43.300 Another to say we should have foreseen in advance some people were lying to Christopher

01:00:46.180 Steele, which is impossible, impossible to do cash.

01:00:49.160 How could they possibly have known?

01:00:50.920 Then he goes on to say there, but let's not use it as a smokescreen to shield Trump's culpability

01:00:56.000 for inviting Russia to help him in his election.

01:00:58.200 That's that stupid soundbite they complete.

01:01:00.120 They play all the time when he's like, Russia, if you're listening, I could use.

01:01:02.620 That's the invitation.

01:01:03.680 It was just puffery, which they did for trying to coerce Ukraine into helping him into the

01:01:09.200 next election, which he did to inciting an insurrection.

01:01:12.840 Dodge, dodge, dodge.

01:01:14.560 That's him trying to get out of bounds, get off of evidence, evidence, evidence.

01:01:19.080 I've got all the evidence.

01:01:19.880 Well, where is it?

01:01:20.800 Let's see it.

01:01:21.800 And you tell me whether he's going to get a pass.

01:01:23.640 He got unlucky that day because a former spokesperson for Papeo was on asking him.

01:01:28.360 No one else is going to ask him anything.

01:01:31.480 No, he's never going to.

01:01:32.940 He hasn't gotten asked a hard question in the past and he won't get asked a hard question

01:01:36.320 in the future because he doesn't take them.

01:01:37.680 He doesn't come on shows with credibility like yours.

01:01:40.200 And look, the mainstream media is as big a culprit in this entire Russiagate criminal

01:01:45.020 enterprise as is Adam Schiff, who lied to the American public.

01:01:48.820 And they now know it, which is good enough for me that he lied for four years about Russiagate

01:01:52.140 evidence.

01:01:52.680 But the mainstream media is the one I'm taking on now by suing Politico, CNN, New York Times

01:01:57.020 for defamation.

01:01:57.820 I've got $150 million in lawsuits going against them based on their reporting of Russiagate

01:02:03.260 and me.

01:02:03.860 And I'm also helping others at fightwithcash.com with a K raise money around the country to clear

01:02:09.580 their names, because that's the only way we're going to get some credibility back is

01:02:13.640 by restoring the bankrupt media, the mainstream media to report truthfully and without bias.

01:02:18.900 And that's what we're doing at fightwithcash.com.

01:02:21.240 You can check us out.

01:02:22.060 I encourage you guys to follow us and help us out where you can.

01:02:25.860 It's worth doing.

01:02:27.380 And we need more Megyn Kelly's of the world and way less Adam Schiff's.

01:02:31.520 Thank you for that.

01:02:32.360 So you just before I want to ask you about the January 6th subpoena, but and I know you're

01:02:37.900 limited what you say, but before we get to that, can you I hate to skip past what this

01:02:41.940 has done to you, right?

01:02:43.580 Because you Nunez, anybody who pushed back like you're a kook, you're a nut, you're a

01:02:50.260 Russian bot operative, you're in on it.

01:02:53.120 And for years, you and others like you, I've heard the stories like neighbors turned on

01:03:00.260 you.

01:03:01.040 Friendships were lost, pilloried in every article in the media.

01:03:04.780 Just walk me through some of what that was like for you personally.

01:03:08.360 Well, look, as a as a guy, a lifelong hockey player, federal prosecutor, public defender,

01:03:12.340 you can sort of take it right.

01:03:13.460 But what what matters is that your family has to read those things.

01:03:16.780 I was called a genocidal dictator, Megan.

01:03:19.300 That's pretty ironic and gut wrenching for the son of a father who escaped an actual genocidal

01:03:24.940 dictator in Uganda and fled to America and live the American dream.

01:03:28.300 But Adam Schiff didn't care about any of that.

01:03:30.160 And then there's the defamatory conduct.

01:03:31.780 Let's put aside that they went after Devin Nunez, his 90 year old grandmother.

01:03:35.960 How about the straight up lies to the American public in the world just to excoriate us, just

01:03:41.340 to lessen our fact based findings?

01:03:43.880 So it's one thing that we could take it.

01:03:45.500 It's another that our families had to live it.

01:03:48.420 But the other thing that drove me to fight with cash dot com is because of it.

01:03:52.640 We have to have a course correction and we're fighting for it and we're raising funds for it.

01:03:56.640 So I encourage you guys to check it out.

01:03:58.300 We're not taking an A.

01:03:59.180 We're going across the country to every state.

01:04:01.060 And that's why we're having Eric Wemple on The Washington Post, because he's he's been

01:04:04.500 calling out his own industry saying this is BS what you guys have done.

01:04:07.480 All right.

01:04:07.720 Let's talk for a minute about January 6th and all the subpoenas that are being sent out

01:04:11.900 to people like Steve Bannon.

01:04:13.340 I know you got one, too.

01:04:14.320 And here's the deal.

01:04:16.220 Donald Trump is the person who holds the privilege, the executive privilege.

01:04:20.140 And the courts have been pretty clear.

01:04:21.520 You don't lose it just because you're the former president, not the sitting president.

01:04:24.680 And Joe Biden has said, give it, give it up, give everything.

01:04:27.020 And Trump's over there saying, oh, hold, slow your roll.

01:04:30.480 You know, I have an objection.

01:04:32.260 And that's playing out right now in the courts.

01:04:34.300 We don't have a final ruling.

01:04:35.240 The Supreme Court probably have the final say.

01:04:37.620 In the meantime, witnesses like you are in a place placed in a tough place because it's

01:04:42.040 like comply with the subpoena or or comply with your former boss's orders not to hand

01:04:49.600 over the stuff.

01:04:50.180 And I know you and some others have been trying to come to an agreement with these guys, trying

01:04:54.200 to seek so much.

01:04:55.320 Steve Bannon basically just gave the big middle finger, said, go pound sand.

01:04:59.260 And now he's been arrested.

01:05:00.620 Now he's been indicted.

01:05:01.580 So let me just ask you for your reaction on what happened to Steve today.

01:05:05.460 Yeah, look, Steve.

01:05:06.920 Steve has always done things Steve's way.

01:05:08.980 And I think everybody knew he was going to do this this way.

01:05:12.100 It wasn't a surprise to anyone.

01:05:13.640 And I think he's fighting for not just executive privilege, but for his own personal rights

01:05:18.540 under under serving in the Trump administration and thereafter.

01:05:22.040 As for me, look, I have no problems calling it what it is.

01:05:25.800 The January 6th committee has issued vendetta subpoenas.

01:05:28.720 They didn't call me or my lawyers or email me.

01:05:31.940 We've all run congressional investigations.

01:05:33.400 There's a proper way to do it.

01:05:34.720 And there's a political way to do it.

01:05:36.400 They just went straight to the subpoena and said, you know what this is going to do?

01:05:40.200 Cash is going to have to come off mission and spend $150,000.

01:05:43.640 On lawyers.

01:05:45.120 That's why I believe they did it.

01:05:46.900 I got nothing to hide on January 6th.

01:05:48.960 I will tell the American people the truth all day long on January 6th, especially the

01:05:53.060 DOD's involvement.

01:05:54.080 We acted with great vigor and speed.

01:05:56.740 And I was proud of the men and women in uniform that we employed and deployed on that day.

01:06:01.660 And I've got no problem selling them that.

01:06:03.200 But they don't want to hear the facts.

01:06:04.800 They want to hear the politics so they can drive that into the midterm election.

01:06:07.920 And they want me to spend $150,000, which is why I'm asking everybody to help me out

01:06:12.240 too at Fight With Cash.

01:06:14.460 So you think this is payback for your pushback reporting and report, actual report on their

01:06:21.600 fake Russia stories?

01:06:23.600 Yeah.

01:06:23.780 You know who one of the lead people on the committee is?

01:06:26.680 Adam Schiff.

01:06:27.580 You know who sits next to him?

01:06:29.080 His peanut butter sidekick, Eric Swalwell.

01:06:31.280 These two guys, I ran Russiagate against them.

01:06:34.180 We use the facts.

01:06:35.020 They use politics.

01:06:35.800 They're using politics again to exact vendetta subpoenas because that's how petty they are.

01:06:40.820 They don't care about serving the mission like we did.

01:06:43.340 They think the mission exists to serve them and their egos.

01:06:46.540 And that's just the difference between us and them all day long.

01:06:49.360 So can I ask you if the Supreme Court ultimately denies Donald Trump's privilege claim and it

01:06:54.040 can't go any higher than that, will you comply with the subpoena?

01:06:58.780 Yeah, I'll follow the law.

01:06:59.640 I got no problem following the law.

01:07:00.780 My lawyers are on it.

01:07:01.760 They're talking to the committee.

01:07:03.040 I'll follow the law today, tomorrow, next week, next year, whenever it comes to it.

01:07:06.920 Who is the peanut butter and who is the jelly exactly between Schiff and Swalwell?

01:07:12.800 I'm not sure.

01:07:13.660 Maybe one's just like creamy peanut butter and the other one's chunky and they don't

01:07:16.680 deserve jelly.

01:07:18.240 Chunky.

01:07:19.120 Oh, that does give a mental image, doesn't it?

01:07:21.900 Cash, a pleasure.

01:07:22.840 Thank you so much for being here.

01:07:24.500 Thanks, Megan.

01:07:25.320 Love to be with you.

01:07:26.040 All right.

01:07:27.220 Coming up, Eric Wemple on the disastrous media coverage of the Steele dossier.

01:07:31.540 And what corrections may be coming next and ought to be.

01:07:35.040 A closer look into the unraveling of the Steele dossier would not be complete without looking

01:07:44.980 at the role legacy newspapers, CNN, MSNBC, and many in the mainstream, NBC, ABC, and so

01:07:51.060 on, played in pushing the narrative night after night.

01:07:54.420 My next guest is working to hold the media accountable, including his own newspaper.

01:07:59.980 Joining me now, Eric Wemple, a media critic for The Washington Post.

01:08:03.340 Eric, thank you so much for being here so I can speak to this firsthand.

01:08:06.720 You hit everybody.

01:08:07.620 I've been hit by you.

01:08:08.860 Left has been hit by you.

01:08:10.120 Right has been hit by you.

01:08:11.200 And I will say you call him like you see him, even if it's at your own newspaper.

01:08:15.260 So let's do the same thing with you that I did with Cash Patel and assume that the audience

01:08:19.620 has not been following this anywhere near as closely as you have.

01:08:24.820 And give me the broad brush overview on what you think the media did wrong in covering

01:08:30.180 this story.

01:08:30.680 First of all, thanks for having me.

01:08:32.340 I'm happy to do that.

01:08:33.880 Okay.

01:08:34.120 So Christopher Steele started putting together these memos that formed a dossier.

01:08:40.700 There are about 17 memos.

01:08:42.160 He started putting them together in like June of 2016.

01:08:45.840 This was financed by the Democratic National Committee and by the Clinton campaign through

01:08:50.520 an intermediary, which was Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson.

01:08:53.700 This was a longtime Democratic, not Democratic, longtime journalist who became a researcher,

01:09:00.120 founded his own firm.

01:09:02.000 And so they proceeded and they put these dossier together.

01:09:05.100 And over the course of just several months, they came up with these remarkable, remarkable

01:09:10.520 revelations about Trump and Russia.

01:09:12.840 And they were not, they were shrouded from public view until after the election.

01:09:19.860 BuzzFeed published all of these allegations in January 2017.

01:09:25.340 But just before the election, David Korn of Mother Jones reported about the existence of

01:09:31.300 this document.

01:09:31.960 And he abridged it a little bit and said it, you know, it contained these allegations about

01:09:36.860 Trump and Russia and that it was put together by this very credible former British intelligence

01:09:42.200 officer, Christopher Steele, who was indeed the person who compiled the dossier.

01:09:48.440 So it didn't, I don't think, have a huge impact on the election so much.

01:09:53.820 But once BuzzFeed published it, it was out there in the open.

01:09:57.520 And then it was fair game.

01:09:59.160 And that's where I sort of come in and discuss how CNN, MSNBC, the McClatchy newspaper chain,

01:10:10.040 and a lot of different pundits really, really added a lot of credibility to this thing.

01:10:17.040 They constantly hyped it.

01:10:18.900 And any little thing they could catch, they could glom onto, they did.

01:10:23.800 And they made it sound far more credible than it was.

01:10:27.740 And then in the Mueller report sort of was a blow to its credibility, but not a mortal blow.

01:10:35.780 And then the Justice Department Inspector General in December of 2019 just blew the thing out

01:10:40.920 of the water, said the FBI had found that this document was either based on publicly available

01:10:46.240 reports, was inaccurate, or was unconfirmed.

01:10:50.560 And so it's three baskets, all of which pretty much amount to a lot of garbage.

01:10:57.600 So that's what happened.

01:11:00.200 And, you know, I have named the organizations that were really front and center in pushing

01:11:06.240 this thing.

01:11:06.780 I think the two worst offenders in terms of, you know, volume is MSNBC and CNN.

01:11:13.120 But the McClatchy newspaper chain buttressed one key allegation in the dossier, and that

01:11:19.060 was Michael Cohen having allegedly visited Prague to meet with Kremlin representatives for

01:11:24.920 some collusive purpose.

01:11:26.680 That hasn't, that hasn't ever, that hasn't ever panned out.

01:11:31.260 You know, I think at this point we can say it's bullshit, right?

01:11:34.220 Oh, can I say that here?

01:11:35.080 I'm sorry.

01:11:35.700 Yeah, no, you can't.

01:11:36.720 And just to jump in on that, the story was that Paul Manafort, who had been running the Trump

01:11:40.500 campaign, he was the original connection with the Russians and helping sort of pass information.

01:11:45.440 And then when he got in trouble, it was given to Cohen.

01:11:48.460 So Cohen took the secret trip to Prague.

01:11:50.680 And even Cohen was like, no, I didn't.

01:11:52.680 No, no, I didn't.

01:11:53.720 And the media that wound up falling in love with him won't accept that.

01:11:58.400 Right, exactly.

01:11:59.320 Because now Michael Cohen later, you know, flipped on Trump.

01:12:03.060 And so he still says he didn't visit Prague.

01:12:06.220 And everybody's, everybody's saying, well, if Michael Cohen flipped on the president and

01:12:11.100 he has nothing more to hide, why would he hide his trip to Prague?

01:12:14.700 Right, right.

01:12:15.460 Why would that be the one lane he didn't feel comfortable impeaching Trump on?

01:12:19.240 Right.

01:12:19.680 Because, you know, you know, I just don't know.

01:12:22.160 I mean, it's all it's all a lot of silliness.

01:12:24.760 And I think, Megan, if you think about it, if you put together the greatest investigative

01:12:30.360 reporters who have ever existed, you know, Bob Woodward, 10 or 15 or 20, you sent them

01:12:35.560 to Russia in June of 2016.

01:12:38.060 It would take them years to come up with one quarter of what Steele alleged over the course

01:12:44.120 of like several weeks.

01:12:46.160 So it was it was absurd on its face.

01:12:48.940 You know, there were all these extravagant allegations, namely, like they said that the

01:12:54.060 Russians had like intercepts of Hillary Clinton when she was over there.

01:13:00.080 It's like, you know, they didn't even say about talk about the emails.

01:13:03.920 They had some other exotic form of intercepted communications that they claimed to have had.

01:13:09.460 So anyway, and of course, what do you think this was a function of, you know, especially

01:13:15.880 back in 16, but I mean, not equally in 20.

01:13:19.060 The media hated Trump, definitely wanted Trump to lose, wanted to believe when you get into

01:13:23.980 the place as a reporter of wanting to believe it's true.

01:13:27.960 Gosh, you have to be so careful about checking yourself over and over again, which is even

01:13:33.740 harder when all the press around you is jumping on the story, advancing it, getting leaks from

01:13:38.600 the FBI, the DOJ, people you would normally find credible.

01:13:41.940 And it's it's very hard to go back to the newsroom and say, now, wait, what do we actually

01:13:47.500 know?

01:13:47.960 What are the reasons to doubt?

01:13:49.500 What does the confirmation look like?

01:13:51.180 And it just seems like that just they just wasn't done.

01:13:54.360 It wasn't done.

01:13:55.420 But I would say as a caveat that there were several many newspapers that didn't jump in

01:14:00.500 with both feet.

01:14:02.280 New York Times is one of them.

01:14:05.060 A couple of the other networks, the ones that I named are really the main culprits.

01:14:10.120 And when you talk about, you know, wanting to believe in my own.

01:14:14.040 I know that that involves some something of an unlawyerly speculation.

01:14:19.080 And I think that's fair.

01:14:20.540 You know, when you watch media coverage, you can sort of at some point divine some degree

01:14:25.320 of motivation.

01:14:26.340 The way I see it is that really showed up to me the strongest on Rachel Maddow's show.

01:14:32.620 Because on her show, she really seemed like she was wanting this thing to be true.

01:14:38.820 And she kept going back at it and say, oh, looks, you know, every time there was some

01:14:43.480 little bit of positive, you know, correlation with reported facts and the dossier.

01:14:50.280 She's like, this is lining up.

01:14:51.680 She did a special report about it.

01:14:54.320 I think it was late in 2017.

01:14:56.320 And she's talked about Christopher Steele's deep cover sources inside Russia.

01:15:00.940 Deep cover.

01:15:01.520 And as we found out later, basically, Christopher Steele and this other guy, they basically

01:15:08.500 had nothing like these were.

01:15:10.580 This was a research guy who had worked at the Brookings Institution.

01:15:14.000 This was no deep cover operation.

01:15:16.560 You know, it wasn't even close.

01:15:19.060 But, you know, it struck me that she was really, really hoping that this was going to come true.

01:15:25.660 She seemed to fancy herself a modern day Woodward.

01:15:28.760 You know, she was going to be the one to get the leaks, to bring him down and show.

01:15:33.380 And this is what our team pulled something.

01:15:36.300 Just a little sample of Rachel Maddow on this story.

01:15:39.780 This is soundbite number 10.

01:15:41.160 Take a listen.

01:15:42.440 Russia.

01:15:42.860 Russia.

01:15:43.260 Vladimir Putin.

01:15:43.900 Russia.

01:15:44.160 Russia.

01:15:44.420 Russia.

01:15:45.000 Russia.

01:15:45.420 Hate.

01:15:45.900 Russia.

01:15:46.260 Russia.

01:15:46.680 Russia.

01:15:47.340 Putin.

01:15:47.740 Russia.

01:15:48.080 Russia.

01:15:48.520 Russia.

01:15:48.800 Russia.

01:15:49.120 Russia.

01:15:49.420 Russian.

01:15:49.840 Russian.

01:15:50.460 Russian.

01:15:50.780 Russia.

01:15:51.280 Russia.

01:15:51.600 Moscow.

01:15:52.100 Moscow.

01:15:52.600 Russia.

01:15:53.240 Russian.

01:15:53.720 Pro-Russian.

01:15:54.560 Russian.

01:15:55.060 Russia.

01:15:55.400 Russian.

01:15:55.940 Russian.

01:15:56.120 Russian.

01:15:56.420 The Russians.

01:15:56.980 Russia.

01:15:57.500 Russia.

01:15:58.140 That's amazing. That's amazing. And you know what, Eric? That was all from one show. That was

01:16:26.180 from one show in March of 2017. But it does give you the flavor of what her show sounded like night

01:16:31.860 after night. It was, you know, I watched or listened to just about all of Rachel Maddow's

01:16:38.360 stuff during that period. And I do think that there's something of a bifurcation when she was

01:16:45.360 covering, you know, sort of like trials and court proceedings in the United States. She was pretty

01:16:51.860 careful to stick to what was in the papers. With the dossier, I felt she went completely off the

01:16:58.400 rails. And you're right, I think that the compilation does show the selectivity, you know,

01:17:05.160 the story selection, which I think is a really important thing for news organizations to consider

01:17:10.340 how many segments are they giving over? How much total airtime are they giving over to something?

01:17:16.420 because I think that cements readers and viewers sort of view of the world as much as anything

01:17:22.920 else does. Like, even if you have more or less factual coverage of Russia, and it's the only

01:17:29.360 thing you cover. That's a problem, you know, because you can feel the excitement, you know, I mean, I,

01:17:37.120 I remember watching it being like, my gosh, people are salivating. They think this is going to be the

01:17:42.300 thing that gets rid of the guy they hate. And it's like, okay, you know, you got to, gosh,

01:17:47.100 you got to be so careful, especially when you have a story like this, which is just fraught,

01:17:51.640 intelligent, you know, sneaky, intelligent sources that you can't verify firsthand. And now,

01:17:56.420 of course, thanks to Horowitz, the IG, we have seen it fall apart. How about let's talk about the lack

01:18:03.260 of apology. She's never apologized or corrected the record, nor have most of the reporters who pumped

01:18:09.780 the story. There's another montage I want to play. Because what what the media did over and over was

01:18:14.960 instead of saying, this part has fallen apart, you know, like this, as the story evolves, you can

01:18:20.200 almost forgive a reporter who sees like, okay, this part fell apart. Okay, that part fell apart. And

01:18:24.160 then, you know, three, four or five years later, you're like, you know what, the whole thing was

01:18:26.960 bullshit. And I apologize, you know, that that'd be one thing. But when things got sketchy, and when it

01:18:34.180 became clear, we should not be trusting this source or this piece of this is nonsense. Trump has not for

01:18:38.880 the past eight years prior to running for president been colluding with the Russians with a back

01:18:43.320 channel computer and so on. Instead, what we heard was, well, it hasn't been disproven. Nothing's

01:18:49.720 been disproven yet. And we have a montage of that. This is soundbite nine. It may be dirty,

01:18:56.340 but it ain't big. Is there anything in the dossier that has been disproven?

01:19:00.540 No, no, I guess the answer to the short answer to the question. Has anything been soundly disproven

01:19:06.620 about the Steele dossier? And I would agree with Jim Clapper, I haven't seen anything.

01:19:12.020 Because a lot of these facts have not been disproven. It's not been corroborated,

01:19:16.080 but it hasn't been disproven either. The dossier, in fact, is far from bogus. The dossier is far from

01:19:21.760 bogus. This portion of the dossier hasn't been publicly proven or definitively disproven. But

01:19:27.340 obviously, were it proven true, it would pretty definitively established extremely involved levels

01:19:32.200 of collusion. I'm still waiting for the innocent narrative to come out. Some elements of the

01:19:36.940 dossier have been verified, but none so far have been publicly disproven. To date, none of it has

01:19:43.860 been disproven. And whole big parts of it are holding up. The dossier holds up well. None of it

01:19:50.300 has been disproven, as you said. It's a fact that none of it, not one word has been disproven. In fact,

01:19:56.240 a lot of it turned out to be right on the money. Oh, man, it's just embarrassing. That was put

01:20:01.180 together by Fox News. Not disproven. And almost all of those, I think all of those were from MS or

01:20:05.080 CNN. Your thoughts? Yeah, that is incredibly damning. And, you know, back in 2019 and early

01:20:12.640 2020, when I wrote my series about this, I think just about all of those people were quoted. And I've

01:20:19.200 been asking these people about this ever since then. I've been calling them and emailing them and

01:20:26.020 asking them, do you have any regrets about how you reported this? And just about down to the person

01:20:32.460 and to the organization, there has been no acknowledgement. Do they even respond to you?

01:20:39.620 Oh, I get responses back, but I don't get a lot of on the record stuff. And at this point, I've

01:20:45.520 refused to go off the record with them. But this is really, really shameful. I mean, I just want to say

01:20:54.040 that in December 2019, when the IG report came out, Megan, there were a couple different things in

01:21:01.140 the IG, or three different things in the IG report. One was that the Russian investigation

01:21:05.640 was properly premised or appropriately premised. In other words, predicated or whatever. You're a

01:21:10.440 lawyer. Another thing was that the FBI had screwed up the Pfizer's because they relied on the dossier.

01:21:16.640 But the third one, and I felt it was maybe even the biggest one there, was that the dossier was total

01:21:22.240 garbage. But the dossier was not worth the paper it was written on. And so I checked. This is what

01:21:29.100 made me so mad. And well, it really riled me up because I went and looked at all the coverage of

01:21:35.140 the Horowitz report. And almost down to the single organization, no one was emphasizing the collapse of

01:21:44.300 the dossier. And I said, Oh, my God, these are all the same people who had been hyping the dossier.

01:21:50.160 And now they're not turning around and saying, Hmm, guess we were wrong. So that's why I did the

01:21:56.340 series to begin with, because I felt there's never, ever been the reckoning. I mean, McClatchy, to this day,

01:22:03.540 stands by its reporting on Michael Cohen. And the thing about that, that compilation that you just ran,

01:22:10.140 is that when you say something hasn't been disproven, that could apply to any conspiracy

01:22:16.160 theory that floats in, you know, in the ether, that has ever floated in the ether.

01:22:21.580 Hasn't been disproven that Bill Gates put a chip in the vaccine. We're like, come on.

01:22:26.240 Exactly.

01:22:26.820 Don't be ridiculous.

01:22:28.080 UFOs. UFOs. Pick your pizza game.

01:22:32.080 But that's real. Stop that. UFOs. Don't get me started. We did a whole show on it.

01:22:36.920 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sorry. But you know what I'm saying, right? That doesn't, you know,

01:22:41.920 logically that doesn't serve as buttressing an argument, right? That it hasn't been disproven

01:22:49.340 because it could be so far out there that it will never be disproven.

01:22:53.740 And that's never been the reporting standard anyway. When do you ever say like somebody gave

01:22:58.620 me a tip? Great. Has it been disproven? No. Run with it. That's not the standard for reporting.

01:23:06.180 It's absurd. It's absurd that they ever, you know, look, I think you can say that for like

01:23:11.200 a week, right? Maybe a week or two, but we're five years in. Yeah. You know, we're five years

01:23:18.080 in. So once you have an inspector general report, I mean, it's time to face the music and, and

01:23:22.700 be honest about the fact that you, you, you were wrong. You got the story wrong. And so now

01:23:29.080 that, that actually didn't do it for a lot of outlets. That wasn't the come to Jesus moment,

01:23:33.060 but now the John Durham investigation goes on and now he's on indictment three. Uh, and we just had

01:23:39.540 Kash Patel sort of walking us through that. And so now the latest indictment basically really puts the

01:23:46.240 lie to some very specific reporting that outlets did. Uh, Washington post is one of them. They have

01:23:52.720 issued a correction, um, because this guy Danchenko as has basically been accused explicitly of not

01:24:02.300 basing his reporting quote unquote is sourcing his reports on this guy, Sergei Milan. Um, that wasn't

01:24:08.940 the, his source, his source was this Clinton crony, this other guy, and they were working together to

01:24:13.920 come together with this nonsense and they gave it to steel. And, um, so the specific reports saying

01:24:19.560 Sergei Milan was the source for the steel dossier, you can't leave those up there. You know, I mean,

01:24:25.020 you just can't. So you tell me, cause it sounds like the Washington post has issued a correction

01:24:30.260 on at least that piece of it. Are other outlets coming to terms with the latest indictment and what's

01:24:37.660 in there? Um, so the three main ones that I reported on were the post and the wall street

01:24:43.860 journal and ABC last Friday, the post took a pretty, um, drastic, uh, or pretty dramatic response.

01:24:51.640 It completely rewrote the stories that millions, uh, million was mentioned in and it put editor's

01:24:57.600 notes saying that it could no longer stand by that material and that they had gone back to their

01:25:01.760 sources and the sources couldn't stand by what they had originally told the post, or at least one of

01:25:06.460 them, um, said that, uh, he or she couldn't stand by what, uh, they'd originally told the post.

01:25:12.260 So the post did a big thing where they, uh, re-edited the story. They didn't call it a

01:25:17.220 retraction. They, they put an editor's note on, but many people rightly like you call it a correction

01:25:22.700 or a retraction. Um, I thought a retraction was an order. Um, but I thought, I think that the hygiene

01:25:29.460 there is overall pretty good, you know, pretty sound. Uh, wall street journal appears to be sort of

01:25:35.480 like taking it and, uh, reporting on these new allegations and putting them alongside their old story.

01:25:42.260 Um, to me that, that doesn't work. Um, because, uh, quite frankly, the, the, the wall street journal

01:25:50.300 based its original story on like one anonymous source. And then on the other hand, you have an

01:25:55.620 indictment, which uses the, the, the strength of federal, you know, um, uh, evidence gathering,

01:26:02.540 um, you know, um, uh, power, you know, you have emails, you have interviews, you have all kinds of,

01:26:09.380 you have the full investigative weight of the federal government getting all this information

01:26:13.440 and it completely contradicts what you reported based on one anonymous source. That seems like

01:26:18.640 to me, like kind of a blowout, doesn't it to you? Yeah. Yeah. It's time. It's like the,

01:26:23.340 the curtain has fallen. It's time to get real about what's on stage and the audience is seeing.

01:26:28.640 Um, and yet they're not. And here to, to your example, back to Rachel Maddow, um, this apparently

01:26:34.020 from November 4th, um, when that was, that was the day, I think it was the day the Denchenko

01:26:39.900 indictment came down. Yeah. And, and here's Rachel Maddow and her coverage of that, that evening.

01:26:46.420 It's also worth noting that this new indictment, just like the last one,

01:26:50.160 spends comparatively little time talking about these alleged false statements and a lot of time

01:26:55.880 talking about people Igor Denchenko came in contact with or talked to who are horror of horrors,

01:27:03.160 Democrats. The unmistakable impression is that this indictment is designed to smear Christopher

01:27:11.220 Steele's intelligence reports as things that were deliberately made up and concocted by rascally

01:27:16.800 Democrats. And whether intentionally or not, when you look at the balance of those pages,

01:27:21.560 they have subtle dog whistles to these kind of pro Trump conspiracy theories. So as you look through

01:27:27.380 there, these subtle sort of one-sided portrayals of the facts that lay down a narrative that plays

01:27:32.840 into this sort of prior assertions by president Trump, by the prior administration, by his

01:27:38.540 enablers in Congress and the media, that this was all somehow nonsense. And that can't be,

01:27:43.820 that can't be unintentional in my opinion. That's unbelievable. That's Peter Strzok. That's one of

01:27:50.140 the guys at the FBI who could face indictment at some point. That's not the guy you put on to talk

01:27:55.100 about whether this is, whether John Durham's investigation is going anywhere. Of course he's

01:27:59.320 going to say, no, it's nonsense. Well, that particular statement, it blows my mind really,

01:28:08.580 quite frankly. I mean, I will say just as a caveat before I talk about Maddow here, the previous,

01:28:16.320 the second Durham indictment has been blasted by some of the people who are elliptically mentioned

01:28:23.380 in there, some researchers who have said that Durham improperly abridged their emails and stuff.

01:28:29.840 So, you know, as you know, from your own legal career, you never, ever place 100% faith in the

01:28:35.440 charges and indictment, their allegations. That said, what Maddow did there with that segment was

01:28:41.700 one of the most disingenuous things, certainly the most disingenuous thing I've seen on her program.

01:28:48.860 And it borders on just outright dishonesty because she is essentially dodging her own history with

01:28:59.080 the dossier and pointing over, you know, to the wider Russia Trump tableau, to the wider Russia Trump

01:29:07.260 situation. And there are indeed many prongs of Russia Trump that are not mentioned in the dossier.

01:29:14.180 So, you know, I can see someone making that argument, but not her because she doesn't have

01:29:21.920 the credibility and she doesn't have the background of having been skeptical of the dossier in order

01:29:28.900 to make that argument. She went all in on the dossier and now someone here is exposing the dossier

01:29:35.920 as a fraud with no sources. And she's saying, well, look over there now.

01:29:40.180 Yeah. And she's saying, oh, what they're really complaining about is that the source,

01:29:45.060 you know, Christopher Steele's main source, this Denchenko, they're really upset that he was

01:29:49.400 cavorting with Democrats. It's like, well, no, what he's saying is that Denchenko, the main source for

01:29:55.880 the dossier, was colluding with, for lack of a better term, this guy, Charles Dolan, who was a

01:30:01.380 Clinton crony, which is very relevant. That's very relevant when it comes to sourcing and credibility

01:30:06.920 and whether this was anything anybody should have placed any stock in whatsoever.

01:30:11.260 It's 100 percent relevant. In fact, it's a gift to the public knowledge on this question. I mean,

01:30:17.380 whatever Durham's motives are, we can talk about that, you know, till the cows come in. I don't,

01:30:22.560 that's not my bailiwick, right? But we now, you know, it's basically, you know, it's alleged here

01:30:32.040 in a pretty competent way. It hasn't been, it hasn't been refuted by Dolan himself, right? So

01:30:39.620 you have this situation where this guy, according to Rachel Maddow, is one of Christopher Steele's

01:30:46.540 deep cover sources. And where is he going for information? He's going to a democratic opera.

01:30:54.560 The emperor has no clothing, you know, nothing. There's nothing there. There is no professionalism

01:31:03.100 behind this research operation. There are no real good sources. And so he is, he is, this guy who's

01:31:11.040 in charge of putting together this dossier is scrambling. He is scrambling, clamoring for any

01:31:18.420 information he can get. So it's this circular loop where this, this research project, this opposition

01:31:25.020 research project is funded by Democrats. And then a long, you know, career, longtime Democrat is feeding

01:31:32.000 information into it. Yeah. You know, and I mean, it bears noting that, of course, this was no small

01:31:39.220 deal in the Trump presidency. This was, this remained a constant distraction and a massive one and a legal

01:31:46.340 distraction for him between the impeachment and the never stopping, um, media coverage and the rush

01:31:51.220 to judgment by his detractors. And it was just in the media everywhere you looked for years, for years.

01:31:58.060 So it's a big deal that it was made up and that the press won't acknowledge it falling apart entirely.

01:32:04.920 It's a, it's a big deal. And it, I mean, we could spend another whole segment talking about how

01:32:09.100 this helps undermine faith in the media. You know, Eric, I've said before, it's like the media has been

01:32:14.860 so they don't understand why people don't trust them. You know, like, why don't you leave it? Why

01:32:18.500 don't you believe us when we say the vaccine safe for, because of things like this, the people you're

01:32:22.700 trying to convince about that. A lot of them are Republican. You can't get it back after you've lost

01:32:27.520 the credibility. It's really hard. Uh, anyway, well, let's do that as a part two another day,

01:32:33.200 because it's been a pleasure talking to you and your coverage on this has been truly must read.

01:32:37.940 Really appreciate the honesty.

01:32:39.180 Well, thank you for having me on. Have a good day.

01:32:42.480 All the best. Uh, I want to give you a quick programming note tomorrow. We're going to take

01:32:47.220 a dive into the James O'Keefe story. You know, the FBI raided his house and that of two of his

01:32:51.740 reporters. It was absurd, um, over a diary he'd already contacted law enforcement on. And since

01:32:57.940 when does the FBI investigate a missing diary of a presidential candidate? Biden wasn't even president

01:33:02.900 when this happened, uh, when the diary went missing. So we're going to take a deep dive on that,

01:33:07.240 um, with his lawyer. Plus we're going to have the latest in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial with his

01:33:11.240 former lawyer. Robert Barnes will be back on the show. Quick update for you from the trial.

01:33:16.140 Uh, the ADA, I think they've broken for lunch. The ADA is arguing, uh, Binger. He's talking about

01:33:21.840 provocation. Yes, of course. He's trying to say if the defendant provoked, he must exhaust all

01:33:28.120 reasonable means of escape. Did he, he didn't have to shoot. He chose to run to the cars. The crowd

01:33:35.160 was already running away. There was a huge open space. He could have circled back around

01:33:39.400 provocation. That's what it's going to come down to. Go ahead and take a look at our video from last

01:33:43.540 week, youtube.com slash Megan Kelly. If you want to watch it, download the show and we'll do it all

01:33:47.920 over again tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:33:55.560 Bye.

The Megyn Kelly Show - November 15, 2021

Steele Dossier Implodes and Rittenhouse Trial Nears Conclusion, with Kash Patel, Erik Wemple, and Julio Rosas ｜ Ep. 203

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