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00:01:01.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:01:12.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.500 Today we've got Stephen Crowder of Louder with Crowder.

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00:03:10.540 And now, Stephen Crowder.

00:03:14.620 Stephen, so good to have you here.

00:03:16.100 Very excited for this interview.

00:03:17.340 How are you?

00:03:17.860 Thank you very much.

00:03:18.520 I am OK.

00:03:19.660 I think I told you that I have a friend here.

00:03:22.180 We roll with you jujitsu at the studio.

00:03:24.100 And we should call him Tim Ginsu because his forearm crushed my trachea.

00:03:27.940 So if you hear me swallowing in a weird way or wrestling with throat lozenges, that's why.

00:03:32.140 So I apologize.

00:03:33.020 Yet another reason not to exercise.

00:03:36.320 You've been going nonstop.

00:03:37.980 I mean, I've been watching you.

00:03:38.820 I've been on your show a couple of times over these past few days.

00:03:41.020 You are treating.

00:03:41.800 I mean, you are like you are YouTube's Brett Baer.

00:03:45.780 I like you're just on every hour bringing people the updates.

00:03:49.980 Was is that new?

00:03:51.180 Did you do that four years ago, too?

00:03:52.920 Yeah.

00:03:53.200 Well, I don't I wish I had Brett Baer's hairline.

00:03:55.440 Like it is quite literally like a bonobo chimpanzee.

00:03:59.020 What's a bonobo?

00:03:59.260 Well, it's the more human like they say that we share more in common with is a bonobo or bonobos and chimpanzees.

00:04:05.880 They look very similar.

00:04:06.860 Only I understand one is more angry.

00:04:08.720 The point remains.

00:04:09.980 Brett Baer has a man.

00:04:10.520 That's not Brett.

00:04:12.160 He has no his hairline is so low is what I'm saying.

00:04:15.240 Yeah.

00:04:15.360 When I look at it, there's no widow's peak.

00:04:17.600 No.

00:04:18.040 Yeah, we did it in 2016.

00:04:19.400 That's when we launched, you know, Mug Club.

00:04:21.720 I was before that.

00:04:23.120 It was a radio show that was syndicated.

00:04:25.460 But the Ladder with Crowder show, you know, Bill Bennett used to take Fridays off.

00:04:29.980 Which I would, you know, just love to do.

00:04:31.240 Just took Fridays off.

00:04:32.260 And so there was this morning drive slot that was six to nine.

00:04:35.380 And there were a lot of radio stations that, you know, they were filling hosts and they weren't thrilled with them.

00:04:39.400 So they said, hey, a bunch of stations said, would you like to do the show?

00:04:41.960 And I said, well, you know, I never really wanted to do radio as a comedian, as someone who kind of did short videos on YouTube for a long time before that.

00:04:47.680 But I said, sure, if it's in primetime drive once a week in the morning, I think I can make that work.

00:04:52.960 And then I found out that no advertisers wanted to advertise in the show.

00:04:56.660 And so we started making up fake advertisements when we were broadcasting as a podcast.

00:05:02.140 And then that led to covering the election.

00:05:05.300 I think we had like 30,000 people watching in 2016, which was all the people in the world.

00:05:10.060 And we launched the show that became kind of daily, which is the the iteration that people know now.

00:05:14.540 So it's been a crazy four years.

00:05:16.420 Yeah.

00:05:16.980 And now it's like some sort of huge number.

00:05:18.980 We were just looking up on the Internet how you did in covering this year's election.

00:05:22.980 I mean, you know, this this week.

00:05:24.380 And it was something like eight million people had viewed your coverage, which puts you above CNN, which is kind of awesome.

00:05:32.200 I mean, I'll get to that because I want to ask you about the future of media.

00:05:35.520 But you've got to be feeling pretty good about having people watch the coverage, because I happen to know that you tend to approach these matters in a red, white and blue striped, silky robe.

00:05:46.520 So you have a different way.

00:05:48.320 You're avant garde, I'd say.

00:05:50.720 Yeah, well, I was raised in Canada.

00:05:53.320 And so just a red and white robe is boring.

00:05:56.960 It's just not really something that is that it pulls the eye.

00:06:00.920 Yeah, we had a lot of people.

00:06:02.120 I don't you know, the numbers were it was fractured because they said they were going to say,

00:06:05.520 they stopped the counting.

00:06:06.400 Remember, so we were covering it.

00:06:07.400 I think we covered it for about eight, nine hours.

00:06:09.240 And then they said, OK, we're going to stop the counting.

00:06:10.880 So I thought, well, there's nothing more to cover.

00:06:12.100 So we left the stream and they were going to reconvene at nine or 10 a.m.

00:06:17.480 The next thing I know, I take an hour nap in a hammock and Michigan, Wisconsin flipped.

00:06:22.760 All of a sudden they found, you know, 100 something thousand votes because they started counting not at nine or 10, but at like 447 a.m.

00:06:31.440 And so we were all just glued to our screens and we said, well, we have to come back.

00:06:35.200 And I think the number ended up being something close.

00:06:37.500 Like, I don't know, 15 million or something like that.

00:06:41.060 So it was it was really.

00:06:42.160 And we had so many silly things, too, like people don't understand.

00:06:45.980 We had my producer attacked.

00:06:47.520 You know, we had a professional attack dog.

00:06:49.320 We shot Gerald in a bulletproof vest because they're a sponsor, Spartan Armor.

00:06:53.200 Like our goal is always to entertain first.

00:06:56.520 I've always wanted to do that because if you're not entertaining, you know, you can find anybody talking about the current political issues.

00:07:03.000 And I try to get that right.

00:07:04.280 And I try to be either enlightening, informative or entertaining.

00:07:08.460 And that's why I was as surprised as anyone that apparently I should be a professional pollster because they got it wrong.

00:07:14.200 And the only calls that I made were were dead right.

00:07:16.660 And I just no one was paying attention to early voting.

00:07:18.880 And I don't know why.

00:07:19.580 I don't know when I was I was talking with people here.

00:07:21.740 I said, am I crazy?

00:07:23.380 I said, why are people even acting like Florida and Ohio are a toss up?

00:07:27.300 I immediately put them on the map.

00:07:29.220 And everyone else said, oh, no.

00:07:30.040 I said, no, I guarantee you he's going to win Ohio by five points.

00:07:33.300 I guarantee you he's going to double his his wins in Florida.

00:07:36.080 People can see it.

00:07:36.880 It was on air was the first thing that I said because I was looking at the early voting and comparing it to 2016.

00:07:41.600 So everything else kind of I still I thought Georgia and North Carolina were things that he would win.

00:07:47.260 And then I said, then he just needs kind of one of the major states in the Midwest.

00:07:50.280 So it really is a changing, isn't it, right now, the guard.

00:07:53.660 And I think all pollsters should be fired without cost.

00:07:58.040 Oh, did you hear today?

00:07:59.320 Nate Silver came out and he basically said, F you.

00:08:01.680 This is this is being taped on Thursday.

00:08:03.880 F you for criticizing me.

00:08:05.400 We got it right.

00:08:06.340 You know, we basically tell you what the polls are saying.

00:08:09.380 That's pretty much all we do.

00:08:10.480 We just assess what the polls are saying.

00:08:12.860 So this isn't on me.

00:08:14.260 Can you I mean, give me a break.

00:08:15.560 Right.

00:08:15.760 People are disgusted with him, with the polling industry, with the misinformation, because we know it isn't it isn't in good faith that these people, they refuse to believe that there was a shy Trump voter.

00:08:26.360 They refuse to try to figure out in a way that a guy like, you know, Robert Cahaley of Trafalgar did how to at least try to get at it.

00:08:34.660 Right.

00:08:35.200 But by the way, have you ever actually like most people have not seen Nate Silver.

00:08:38.700 He looks like he lost his precious.

00:08:41.060 What does that mean?

00:08:42.500 It's a Gollum reference.

00:08:43.420 He looks like he looks like a cave dweller.

00:08:45.320 OK, that's it.

00:08:45.840 It was a long one around.

00:08:47.040 I apologize.

00:08:47.620 I don't always take the shortest path to the sting.

00:08:50.200 But no, here's the thing.

00:08:51.520 He can say, we just tell you what the polls are telling you.

00:08:53.440 No, no.

00:08:54.100 And here's the issue, too, with Nate Silver and FiveThirtyEight.

00:08:56.420 I would go and I would see their polls that were rated A.

00:08:59.620 And those were the polls that had it most wrong in 2016.

00:09:03.040 And then the polls that he would have rated C were the ones that were closest because he doesn't like Rasmussen.

00:09:06.960 And he doesn't include the is it pronounced Trafalgar?

00:09:09.540 How is it that pronounced?

00:09:10.900 Trafalgar.

00:09:11.280 Yeah.

00:09:11.960 Yeah.

00:09:12.460 Yeah.

00:09:13.000 He didn't even include those.

00:09:15.180 And I don't know why if he's this genius, he doesn't include what we see with early voting.

00:09:18.760 And we have the percentages of early voting, what was mail-in versus what was in person.

00:09:22.540 You know, I got those numbers at Vox, not some Republican think tank.

00:09:26.840 And then I combined that by target early.

00:09:28.660 And I looked at the actual registered early voting versus the modeled party early voting.

00:09:32.960 And those seem to track.

00:09:33.920 And you kind of have to use the modeled party early voting, sorry, because a lot of these states don't tell you the registered voting early on.

00:09:40.580 And I said, you know what?

00:09:41.800 Florida and Ohio are not even going to be close.

00:09:44.840 So what I called was Florida, Ohio.

00:09:46.380 I made my map and I said, Georgia and North Carolina, I think, or Donald Trump was going to be closer.

00:09:51.560 Arizona, I thought would be Donald Trump.

00:09:53.040 Looks like it still might be at the time of this recording.

00:09:55.480 And then I said, could be any of these Midwestern states at that point.

00:09:59.160 Can we talk about what's happening now as of now?

00:10:01.260 Because I'll tell you, I'm I'm as confused as anybody.

00:10:04.580 But I have connections in both camps.

00:10:08.400 Connections.

00:10:09.120 That's like connections.

00:10:09.860 That's like somebody who had a sex change operation.

00:10:12.360 Like, do you like surprises?

00:10:13.860 What's going on?

00:10:15.740 Which, by the way, I wouldn't be surprised considering considering the dominatrix role you played with Mark Cuban.

00:10:20.840 I listened to that podcast and I was so I couldn't sit down for a week.

00:10:25.020 Oh, thank you.

00:10:26.140 Hey, I'm not against dominatrix.

00:10:27.480 But that's not the same thing as trans surprise.

00:10:30.500 OK, so I was combining the two, in other words, in the interaction with Mark Cuban.

00:10:35.680 I will tell you this.

00:10:36.380 I thought you did a fantastic job of being respectful, giving Mark Cuban room, but holding his feet to the fire.

00:10:41.840 So, you know, I was nervous to do this because I know that I know that you're tricky.

00:10:45.160 I know that you're quick on your feet.

00:10:46.080 But I thought you did a really good job.

00:10:47.500 Actually, my wife sent it to me.

00:10:48.560 She said, you have to listen to this.

00:10:50.260 Yeah.

00:10:50.500 Oh, thank you very much.

00:10:51.400 I enjoyed it.

00:10:51.960 You know, I give him credit for for coming on and having a conversation because I can't think of another guy in his position who would have.

00:10:57.240 And I didn't exactly get like a bouquet of roses from him after the fact.

00:11:01.660 I'm not sure if he was coming back on.

00:11:03.960 But either way, I'm OK, because we had a really good discussion.

00:11:07.520 And, you know, I respect that.

00:11:08.980 I respect him for doing it.

00:11:10.580 I want to ask you about Trump, though, because since you've been covering it so closely and what I'm hearing from Team Trump, right, the people not not his inner circle, but people who are very close and are intimately involved in trying to get him elected, are saying they actually believe today he has won.

00:11:26.300 That he's won it.

00:11:27.460 And I've talked to these people many times.

00:11:29.380 He's won Arizona.

00:11:30.800 They do not believe the vote in Arizona.

00:11:33.760 They think he's won Georgia.

00:11:35.200 He's won Pennsylvania.

00:11:36.800 And they think he's won Nevada.

00:11:39.140 Like, that's what they're saying.

00:11:41.040 Then I talked to my contacts over in, you know, the decision world at Fox, and they're saying there's zero chance that Arizona flips back.

00:11:49.980 That Fox made the right call that not even if he gets 57 percent of the outstanding vote in Arizona, can he turn the numbers around?

00:11:56.820 He cannot do it.

00:11:57.680 That the outstanding vote is in Democratic counties.

00:12:00.520 There's zero chance he's going to make up the difference.

00:12:02.260 That's why they're so confident in their call.

00:12:05.800 And I think, you know, right now the narrative is spun out of the out of control where people are openly booing Fox and they're going after Arnon Michigan, the head of the decision desk, who's a straight arrow.

00:12:14.580 So I know my head is kind of swimming.

00:12:17.080 How about you?

00:12:18.000 I think that's dishonest of Fox to say.

00:12:19.900 Now, I don't disagree with what you said.

00:12:21.700 Now, what we are seeing, though, there are quite a few sources that say that Donald Trump is winning over 63 percent of those votes.

00:12:27.540 Keep in mind that they counted the mail-in votes.

00:12:29.400 I believe in Arizona first, the outstanding ballots are people who voted in person.

00:12:32.300 And what we're seeing in a lot of those scenarios is about a 2.5 to 1 ratio of Republicans to Democrats.

00:12:37.620 And the county is not as liberal as you think.

00:12:39.260 But my issue with Fox News there, when I say it's dishonest, is they say we're confident in our call.

00:12:45.280 They called it with zero percent of the vote.

00:12:48.140 I'm exaggerating.

00:12:49.080 That's not true.

00:12:50.120 No, they had 80 percent of the vote in.

00:12:51.900 No, no, no.

00:12:52.480 When Fox News called it, it was 70-something percent of the vote, I believe.

00:12:55.660 No, it was 80 percent of the vote.

00:12:56.880 That's what Arnon Michigan said.

00:12:58.080 Trust me when I tell you Arnon Michigan does not lie.

00:13:00.380 He does not lie.

00:13:01.540 They had 80 percent of the vote in, and that's why they felt confident tabulating it, because they can see where the remaining 20 percent is coming from.

00:13:06.940 And they have algorithms and data and a history to figure out what the percentages would have to be for Trump to close it out in the remaining 20.

00:13:14.900 So go ahead.

00:13:15.820 They consistently call the other states the same way at those same margins?

00:13:18.580 Yes, they do.

00:13:19.640 They do.

00:13:19.960 I mean, trust me, Stephen, I've worked with these guys for years.

00:13:24.140 I was the person who did polling with them.

00:13:26.940 I was, you know, they would do the exit polling, and I was the one who'd be on the air before I became an anchor explaining to people what they said.

00:13:32.060 And then I became an anchor, and I worked with them even more intimately.

00:13:34.520 And then there was the infamous 2012 thing where Karl Rove tried to say they were wrong, and I did the walk down the hall.

00:13:39.220 I know these guys.

00:13:40.600 They couldn't give a damn who wins the election.

00:13:44.300 They care about getting it right.

00:13:45.620 And so if the outstanding vote is in counties that they think it's going to make it too close to call, they won't call it.

00:13:53.140 That's why they waited so long in states like Florida.

00:13:57.140 Well, they did wait longer in Florida than ABC, that's for sure.

00:13:59.960 However, sorry, not Florida, Arizona, but a lot of places called Arizona long before they've called other states, for example, like Pennsylvania or, if I'm not mistaken, one of the major news channels we were watching because it was tough.

00:14:14.620 We were watching CNN mainly, and they were the last to call everything.

00:14:16.780 I think even called Arizona before Ohio.

00:14:20.200 I don't remember who it was who did that, but that did take place.

00:14:23.080 I think you're right about Fox News.

00:14:24.440 They generally want to be right.

00:14:26.180 But I also think that, listen, there's a component to this, and maybe you disagree.

00:14:28.940 Maybe you think there's 0% that this is the case.

00:14:30.720 I think a lot of these networks want to be first.

00:14:33.500 I don't think that's Fox at all.

00:14:35.600 Trust me.

00:14:36.120 I mean, I've seen it.

00:14:37.120 I've seen the competitive pressure come on them.

00:14:39.260 I mean, mainly from me and Brett out there on election night saying, like, where's the call?

00:14:43.780 Where's the call?

00:14:44.360 CNN's called it.

00:14:45.540 NBC's called it.

00:14:46.260 Why aren't we calling it?

00:14:47.340 And we get the slow roll molasses from the decision desk like, we're not there yet.

00:14:51.900 We're not there yet.

00:14:52.760 Let me just tell you, I disagree with what you just expressed.

00:14:54.720 I don't think that the truth is governed by consensus of other networks calling it.

00:14:58.380 I think that there could be one place that's right and all of the other places are wrong.

00:15:02.300 And so I don't know with Arizona.

00:15:03.420 I think there's a strong chance that Donald Trump loses Arizona.

00:15:06.340 But from what I'm saying, there still is a chance that he wins it.

00:15:08.100 I do think it was called early.

00:15:10.060 Yeah, I don't I don't think I don't I don't disagree with that.

00:15:13.440 I agree with you that there is still a chance.

00:15:15.820 I just understand that the people who are experts at it, which doesn't include me, are saying I'm wrong.

00:15:21.240 You know, I can see the numbers.

00:15:22.240 I can see why people still have hope.

00:15:23.960 And I'm not listen and I am not discrediting them at all.

00:15:26.160 Nate Silver's an expert.

00:15:27.180 Quinnipiac is an expert.

00:15:28.100 No, he isn't.

00:15:28.600 No, he isn't.

00:15:29.460 No, you cannot put Nate Silver.

00:15:31.180 But you're confusing exit polls with predictive polling that happened before.

00:15:36.300 These guys are analyzing actual vote.

00:15:39.760 I'm comparing the idea of deferring to authority, right?

00:15:43.220 The appeal to authority, intellectual fallacy.

00:15:45.240 And all I'm saying is you could be right.

00:15:46.900 You could be wrong.

00:15:47.740 But a lot of people deferred to Nate Silver.

00:15:50.080 A lot of people defer to Monmouth or Emerson or Quinnipiac.

00:15:53.080 These were considered the golden standard of polls.

00:15:55.640 And all I'm saying right now is you could be right.

00:15:58.340 But I am not going to say that Fox News is right in their call.

00:16:02.180 And you know me, I worked for Fox News for four and a half years.

00:16:04.120 I'm not going to say that they're right because they're experts.

00:16:06.100 Because we've seen a lot of people who were experts be wrong.

00:16:10.440 That's all I'm saying.

00:16:11.220 I understand.

00:16:11.860 I understand.

00:16:12.300 And we have a huge pool of data here that really no one else has access to with the kind

00:16:16.840 of show that we do.

00:16:17.500 I think Fox could be right.

00:16:18.520 I don't think they did anything.

00:16:19.740 I don't think they did anything dishonest.

00:16:21.920 I think, though, right now, and what I was saying was dishonest, is when they say we

00:16:25.740 feel confident now in our call, that still doesn't justify the call with 80%.

00:16:31.140 That's all.

00:16:32.240 So my feeling in reaction to that as somebody who's worked with these guys and done this

00:16:36.940 for a lot of years is, with respect, that's armchair quarterbacking.

00:16:41.020 You've got a lot of people who have no idea what it's like to be on a decision desk and

00:16:44.540 do this for a living, trying to sit in their armchair like, well, I can see the vote myself.

00:16:48.400 And they don't know any of the algorithms or the way this is done or the methodologies.

00:16:51.520 Technological approach that these guys have tried and tested at midterm elections, at

00:16:55.900 general elections, at primaries, year after year after year.

00:16:59.320 And it's worked.

00:17:00.060 And I've worked with them since 2006 was the first time I was on the air with them.

00:17:05.200 They've never gotten one wrong.

00:17:06.360 Not one.

00:17:07.380 They've never they've been under pressure.

00:17:09.020 They've been told they got it wrong.

00:17:10.020 They've been told they were partisan.

00:17:11.340 They have never had to repeal one.

00:17:13.180 Not once.

00:17:13.680 So I'm not saying that that couldn't happen now.

00:17:16.740 I'm I'm smart enough to realize anything could happen.

00:17:19.360 But I'm just saying that the calls to reduce the Arnon Mishkin to like some partisan and

00:17:25.600 say like Fox is bad and this is because Fox has an ideology.

00:17:29.320 I reject that.

00:17:30.420 I know the guys making this decision.

00:17:32.100 They're good faith operators and they're super smart and super good at this.

00:17:36.400 But Megan, Megan, I think that, you know, I'm not saying Fox is bad because Fox isn't it.

00:17:40.740 That's not my argument.

00:17:41.600 You understand what I am saying.

00:17:43.760 And Fox has gotten a lot wrong.

00:17:45.140 Fox has gotten a lot wrong.

00:17:45.820 Maybe not with any states ever called.

00:17:47.140 I would have to look back.

00:17:47.960 I don't have it already, but I trust I take your word for it.

00:17:50.180 That doesn't mean that it couldn't happen.

00:17:51.480 But I'll tell you what.

00:17:52.500 All the executives at Fox told me that this show that I do right now would never exist.

00:17:56.420 It would never happen.

00:17:57.100 I was wasting my time.

00:17:57.860 Come on.

00:17:58.380 That's that's a new argument.

00:18:00.260 That's not stay in my lane.

00:18:02.180 I am staying in your lane.

00:18:03.040 What I'm saying is I don't say that they must be right because the experts say that that's

00:18:06.900 so the numbers right now don't say that that's necessarily so.

00:18:10.640 And I think there's a strong chance that Biden wins Arizona.

00:18:13.240 I just think and I think that you have a little bit a little bit and I want to keep this,

00:18:17.820 of course, friendly.

00:18:18.340 I'm very appreciative to be here.

00:18:19.180 So I don't want you to take this as confrontational a little bit of a blind spot, because when

00:18:23.140 Americans hear the experts, the experts are wrong about we can just isolate it.

00:18:27.860 I'm not saying that now you're you're mate, you're mate.

00:18:30.180 You're building a straw man right now.

00:18:31.620 I'm not saying the experts say and I and I don't think you're right at all to compare

00:18:35.320 these guys to Nate Silver.

00:18:37.060 The pollster's got Nate Silver has a very spotty history.

00:18:40.080 Arnon Mishkin does not.

00:18:41.320 And my my my belief in them, which is not unfettered, but my belief in them is not because

00:18:47.060 they are experts.

00:18:48.160 It is because I have had experience with them.

00:18:50.640 It is like having cancer that recurs from time to time.

00:18:53.980 And the doctor sits you down and says, this isn't it.

00:18:56.360 And the doctor takes a look at the new lump and says, this is bad.

00:18:59.620 And then something happens a couple of years later and he says, don't worry.

00:19:02.680 I mean, I've had people who've gone through this in my life.

00:19:04.320 You develop a respect for that person's judgment based on their history of accuracy.

00:19:10.080 It isn't deference to authority.

00:19:12.600 It is my my experience with this person being right every time leads me to have a greater

00:19:17.780 confidence in him being right now.

00:19:20.820 You could be right.

00:19:21.880 I don't know.

00:19:22.300 So you just mentioned your personal experience.

00:19:23.840 I don't have personal experience with that person.

00:19:25.360 I think if what you say is true, that Fox News has never gotten one wrong, then it's not

00:19:30.360 even up for debate.

00:19:31.240 Of course, Arizona has gone by.

00:19:33.880 But that's not my experience with this person.

00:19:35.920 And all I'm saying is I don't take the word of one person or one expert.

00:19:39.800 I didn't just say Nate Silver, but all of these polls, which I know is what we're going

00:19:42.800 to be talking about.

00:19:43.620 I think a lot of Americans, that doesn't mean that Americans are right, but I'm saying

00:19:47.120 that the language that is used, this is what Americans have a problem with.

00:19:50.200 And when people talk about not having trust in our institutions, there's because there's

00:19:53.480 a lot of this talk.

00:19:54.520 Well, the experts know whatever it is, X, X, Y, A, B, C.

00:19:59.060 And I know in this instance, you have a lot of personal experience and they have a great track

00:20:02.180 record.

00:20:02.380 Let me really simplify what I'm saying.

00:20:04.500 I don't think that Fox News is bad.

00:20:06.260 I don't think that they're trying to call things incorrectly because they have an ideology.

00:20:09.360 I think Brett Baier is probably the best broadcaster in news.

00:20:12.480 I think the man is fantastic.

00:20:13.860 And I think they are probably right about Arizona.

00:20:16.820 I also think they called it too early.

00:20:18.660 Just my opinion.

00:20:20.220 Well, can I tell you, I mean, to give you the point, I do think that a lot of Americans,

00:20:25.960 including me, are a little too deferential to authority.

00:20:29.300 And I have been surprised over the past four years to see some of the institutions that

00:20:34.060 I really revered and trusted entirely have had the mask pulled down as pretty nakedly

00:20:41.520 partisan.

00:20:42.160 The FBI comes to mind, right?

00:20:44.500 Like when when Jim Comey first was getting attacked, I was 100 percent a Jim Comey defender.

00:20:50.800 I was like, what do you mean?

00:20:51.680 It's James Comey.

00:20:52.840 Like he's beyond reproach.

00:20:54.760 Why are these people saying he's partisan?

00:20:56.080 I would never believe that 100 percent wrong.

00:20:59.000 So I'm humble enough to realize I don't know everything.

00:21:02.780 And I and I I also see it.

00:21:04.740 It's not even just the FBI or some of these big government organizations, but big tech and

00:21:10.700 media.

00:21:11.340 You know, our industry, it is not trustworthy.

00:21:14.520 It's the same thing.

00:21:15.320 I wouldn't say I always trusted media.

00:21:17.000 But I think most people out there trusted Uncle Walter, trusted Peter Jennings.

00:21:21.040 You know, some of the people we grew up with or I did, and now it's 100 percent different.

00:21:26.520 So I get that my hopes could be dashed in Arnon, Michigan.

00:21:30.820 And I'm not rooting for Arizona one way or the other.

00:21:33.500 But I do like these guys because they're former colleagues.

00:21:36.140 But they could be dashed because I've had them dashed repeatedly.

00:21:40.160 And I know you've had your own situation with big tech where that's another industry where

00:21:43.260 it's like, oh, wow, they're so big.

00:21:44.740 They employ so many Americans.

00:21:45.780 And then you turn out it turns out they're completely partisan and agenda driven.

00:21:50.720 Yeah.

00:21:51.080 And I think to mention, I keep hearing you.

00:21:53.860 How do you pronounce his name?

00:21:54.720 Arnon, Michigan.

00:21:56.720 Arnon, Michigan.

00:21:58.120 Arnon, Michigan.

00:21:59.020 Arnon, Michigan.

00:21:59.940 No, Michigan.

00:22:02.120 What?

00:22:02.360 Wait, what's the last name you're saying?

00:22:04.580 Michigan, like M-I-S-H.

00:22:07.720 Michigan.

00:22:08.480 Because I was thinking about Detroit.

00:22:09.660 I thought you were like you were like you had a Joe Biden moment where you're trying to

00:22:12.620 say R-N-C, Michigan.

00:22:14.220 I don't think that should dash your hopes if, for example, they're incorrect on Arizona.

00:22:20.880 I think that we are at a point right now.

00:22:22.900 You mentioned Walter Cronkite.

00:22:24.260 I don't think that Walter Cronkite was an unbiased journalist.

00:22:26.560 I think he was certainly better than what you have now.

00:22:29.260 But he said you basically couldn't be a journalist and not be a liberal.

00:22:31.760 There are quotes from Walter Cronkite.

00:22:33.420 I just think it was hidden from a lot of Americans before we had new media.

00:22:37.600 And so I think the requirement is for everybody out there to aggregate information from both sides.

00:22:43.520 And that's why I think at this point, anyone who claims to be a centrist, they're actually less valuable in your aggregate pool.

00:22:49.940 Because I would rather know what Megyn Kelly is saying.

00:22:52.880 Sorry, what Megyn Kelly is saying.

00:22:54.740 Yes, of course, plug for your show here.

00:22:55.980 But I also would like to know what Rachel Maddow is saying, what Megyn Kelly is saying, what Sean Hannity is saying.

00:23:00.440 I would like to know what Tucker Carlson is saying and what Lawrence O'Donnell is saying.

00:23:03.800 I don't really care what Anderson Cooper is saying because the guy isn't really honest about his point of view.

00:23:08.280 Chris Cuomo thinks that he's, my God, an actual journalist.

00:23:10.800 So I think Americans have to do a lot of this work themselves now.

00:23:15.560 That's sad that you're right.

00:23:17.320 Yeah, they're required.

00:23:18.140 And I think that's why I have a lot of Americans upset because it was trust the experts when it came to the election.

00:23:23.800 And I think that we're seeing a lot of examples of it being rife with, not just fraud, people misuse the term election fraud, but also ineptitude.

00:23:33.140 You know, we talked about this on our show, this election.

00:23:35.520 There were over 2.5 million ballots that could potentially be compromised.

00:23:38.620 Now, does that mean that someone was scratching out Donald Trump and putting in Joe Biden?

00:23:41.380 No, but it means ballots that either were sent to addresses where people no longer lived or there were people who were dead.

00:23:47.160 We found examples in the past of ballots that the signature didn't match or there was no signature on it whatsoever.

00:23:51.700 People who voted twice.

00:23:52.880 There are quite a few examples of compromised ballots.

00:23:56.800 And so the media says there's no example of widespread voter fraud.

00:24:00.280 No, no.

00:24:00.560 But there is an example of certainly mail-in voting being rife with errors, as well as in some cases, small as they may be, and we'll find out after this election, fraud.

00:24:10.380 And Americans really have a problem with people saying, no, no, no.

00:24:13.900 It's just there's no such thing as voter fraud.

00:24:15.800 There's no evidence for that.

00:24:16.660 And that's what they see in the media, right?

00:24:18.800 But Americans are going, well, hold on a second.

00:24:20.100 I've just read several articles, and I know people will just say it's fake news, but I just read an article that came down from, you know, an actual, like a local court.

00:24:26.860 And I don't know in Pennsylvania where there are 800 ballots that had to be discounted.

00:24:29.360 Or you can see 50,000 ballots, I think, was in Ohio or Michigan that had problems.

00:24:32.800 And they go, those were outstanding.

00:24:33.900 So how can you say there's none, Brian Stelter, and they just don't follow up?

00:24:38.740 No, they think it's a Republican talking point.

00:24:41.900 And look, it is correct that it would be tough to dismiss a gap of 10,000 or 80,000 votes by trying to find some voter fraud or, you know, fraudulently completed ballots.

00:24:54.140 That's a tough hoe.

00:24:56.380 But it's also not true to say that there's no voter fraud, as the mainstream will say, as CNN.

00:25:00.900 They'll just dismiss that out of hand.

00:25:02.600 I mean, Chris Hayes was just going after me and others and Fox News and so on as, like, this is just a lie that the right wing puts out there every year.

00:25:10.340 No, we've seen it.

00:25:11.500 We've seen it.

00:25:12.360 And it doesn't mean it has to be hugely widespread.

00:25:15.740 But we've seen enough, we've caught enough to wonder how deep does it go?

00:25:18.900 And that's a legitimate question to ask when it's a tight race.

00:25:21.640 And even more when you just consider how, I mean, the post office.

00:25:25.080 The post office hasn't turned a profit in 13 years, Megyn Kelly.

00:25:28.040 Can you believe that kind of job security?

00:25:30.140 If you go to a job where you lost money for 13 years, what I'm saying is, no, I'm not necessarily saying that Nancy Pelosi is doing a spirit cooking seance and changing the ballots with a Sharpie.

00:25:40.540 What I am saying is the post office can't get it there within 10 days and they can't turn a profit in a decade and a half.

00:25:46.860 I don't really want an election run by effectively the DMV.

00:25:51.140 And that's a valid position for Americans to take.

00:25:54.440 Of course.

00:25:54.800 And the thing that makes me worry about this vote more than anything, as I watch the vote counters, you know, go through each ballot without letting the vote watchers get within 100 yards of them.

00:26:06.000 Right.

00:26:06.180 It's like tough to watch from that far away unless you've got some binoculars and you can really zoom in.

00:26:11.180 Right.

00:26:12.160 Is the abject and open hatred for Trump?

00:26:15.880 I mean, he is a singular figure in for decades now in American politics in terms of the hatred for him.

00:26:23.580 They've been told we've been told by by, you know, a lot of these Democrats in the media that he's a Hitler-esque figure.

00:26:29.480 So if you're sitting there counting votes and you actually believe that, who's to say you're not going to think that the ends justify the means?

00:26:37.020 And that's why poll watchers at a point like this are more important than ever.

00:26:42.480 Well, who weren't allowed in in Detroit.

00:26:44.520 Right.

00:26:44.740 Right.

00:26:46.140 Right.

00:26:46.520 And it's like, so what would be the reason not to do it?

00:26:49.200 Just like protect the integrity of the vote.

00:26:51.520 Well, here's the one thing.

00:26:52.440 When they, this is, and you correct me if you disagree with me here, but when they say Donald Trump was trying to erode trust in American institutions, I go, by having people vote in person like they always have, by saying that there are errors with mail-in voting.

00:27:04.400 Donald Trump, when we're talking about transparency all the time, Detroit, we're saying, hey, make sure the poll watchers are there and don't cover up the glass to the polling station with Bristol boards.

00:27:13.700 Okay.

00:27:14.020 How about that?

00:27:14.800 The left is, no, we're going to block them out.

00:27:17.480 You know what?

00:27:17.840 We're going to end all counting and then we're going to start again in, oh, 45 minutes where Kenosha, for some reason, flips by 15 to 20 points.

00:27:24.340 The same county, by the way, a small county, and we're not going to give you answers and we're not going to let the poll watchers be in there.

00:27:29.700 Donald Trump is not the one saying do away with the Electoral College.

00:27:32.500 Donald Trump is not the one saying do away with the current American electoral system.

00:27:36.020 Donald Trump's not saying any of those things.

00:27:36.880 He's saying, hey, we've got to make sure that this process is in the light of day and is honest.

00:27:41.280 I haven't seen Donald Trump try to erode – is he trying to pack the court?

00:27:45.180 The only institution he's eroded trust in is the media, and I think that it should die, and I will urinate on the ashes gleefully.

00:27:50.860 So I think when you look at Joe Biden who's saying, oh, no, hold on a second.

00:27:54.440 We're actually – we want more mail-in voting than ever.

00:27:56.460 We might pack the courts.

00:27:58.680 I don't know.

00:27:59.480 We should do away with the Electoral College, which Kamala Harris has discussed.

00:28:03.880 Okay.

00:28:04.200 What do you believe in in the United States of America?

00:28:07.360 How are you not trying to erode trust in institutions?

00:28:09.440 And something else, dude, that I think a lot of people in the media miss, Megan.

00:28:13.700 Remember that famous quote, right, the fine people on both sides?

00:28:16.700 And I'm not going where you think I'm going to go here because obviously Donald Trump –

00:28:20.360 We're talking about Trump and Charlottesville.

00:28:22.200 Charlottesville, yes.

00:28:23.800 Where people – the famous quote was he said fine people on both sides, and no one included the context of him saying,

00:28:28.340 I'm not saying neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally.

00:28:32.980 So that, of course, is the one story that people tell, and it's true.

00:28:35.640 The media took it out of context.

00:28:37.080 I don't think anyone has condemned white supremacy or neo-Nazis more than Donald Trump because no one's been asked as much.

00:28:42.880 However, I actually see something beautiful in that quote and a pattern of behavior with Donald Trump that a lot of people miss.

00:28:50.400 And keep in mind, I couldn't stand Donald Trump in 2016.

00:28:54.060 I said that if he's a Republican candidate, we deserve to lose.

00:28:56.620 Those were my words, and I had to eat them because I was wrong.

00:28:59.840 But what Donald Trump said was, I'm not talking about neo-Nazis.

00:29:02.940 Okay, put that on the shelf.

00:29:04.020 Discount that.

00:29:04.660 He goes, but there were people there who wanted to take down these statues, these Confederate statues, and they had a reason to be there.

00:29:10.560 And there were people there who also believed that it was a part of their heritage, and they wanted to keep it up.

00:29:14.700 And there were fine people on both sides.

00:29:17.340 In other words, Donald Trump is saying people who disagree with me can still be fine people.

00:29:21.500 Can you find me any example of Donald Trump calling Joe Biden supporters ugly or deplorable?

00:29:27.000 No, he attacks Joe Biden.

00:29:29.000 He attacks the media.

00:29:30.300 He doesn't, yeah, or fat.

00:29:31.460 He doesn't attack the people.

00:29:33.300 Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, they attack half of the American electorate.

00:29:37.500 They attack half of this country.

00:29:39.340 And Donald Trump has pretty consistently, it's like Woody Allen and Annie Hall just ripping up the speeding ticket.

00:29:44.240 I'm sorry, I just have a general problem with authority.

00:29:47.260 He really does seem to have a heart for all Americans, and we have not seen him attack middle America like these other people have.

00:29:53.720 We've seen him attack the media.

00:29:54.600 We've seen him attack Joe Biden.

00:29:55.440 And I think that's fair game, but no one talks about that.

00:29:58.320 To me, that's beautiful.

00:29:59.540 I can't stand these asshats who want to tear down anything that's offensive or a monument.

00:30:04.060 But for Donald Trump to say, but those can also be fine people.

00:30:06.860 They just have disagreements.

00:30:08.220 My experience of Trump, not personal, but just observational, maybe personal too, is that as long as he thinks you like him, he's good with you.

00:30:16.480 Like if he thinks you like him or at least are open-minded to him, he likes you.

00:30:19.940 It's only if he thinks you don't like him that he'll turn on you and he'll say nasty things on Twitter and it'll be offensive and so on and so forth.

00:30:27.380 But I've never heard him go after all Democrat voters, like the people in the middle of the country who he would like to have vote for him as deplorable, as uniformly racist.

00:30:39.800 Now, he'll rip on the political class.

00:30:41.560 I've heard him do that a lot.

00:30:42.420 But this we've seen that this entire four years, we've seen it isn't enough to call him racist, xenophobic and all this stuff.

00:30:50.000 If you support him, you are one, too.

00:30:52.100 And one of the things that has struck me this week, Stephen, is as as he's is the numbers have been coming in.

00:30:57.940 And even as Joe Biden is looking like he's winning, you still have the pundits on MSNBC and CNN every night crying a tear in their soup, talking about what a racist country this is.

00:31:10.400 It's like what?

00:31:11.780 I don't get it.

00:31:12.540 Like even with him losing, we got to listen to these lectures and you've got people saying, no, no, no, no, no.

00:31:17.120 Wokeism has been defeated.

00:31:18.580 No, it hasn't.

00:31:19.580 It's been dealt.

00:31:20.360 It's been dealt a blow at the polls.

00:31:22.900 But wokeism itself wasn't defeated.

00:31:25.260 It won't be defeated.

00:31:26.120 They're too ideologically committed to it.

00:31:28.180 And they'll see an affirmation of their crazy principles no matter what the vote.

00:31:33.280 Yeah, I can only imagine where would this election be if we actually had a fair press, if we actually had an unbiased press.

00:31:38.120 I mean, think about this for a second.

00:31:39.180 You had someone go out and tweet what was effectively a typo, a typo that added a zero, right?

00:31:44.200 The one hundred and twenty eight thousand new votes that were found, I believe, was it was it Michigan?

00:31:49.140 I think it was Michigan or Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan.

00:31:52.020 Yeah.

00:31:52.540 And Donald Trump said, what is this?

00:31:54.220 And his response, which is a question, what is this, was labeled as misleading.

00:31:58.360 But Twitter never labeled the actual tweet, which was a typo by one hundred thousand wrong.

00:32:04.100 That wasn't labeled misinformation.

00:32:06.820 Here's something else, too.

00:32:07.780 I can't I'll tell you off air.

00:32:10.060 I'll send you this picture so you can verify and take my word for it.

00:32:12.180 But there's a reporter at Washington Post, I believe, named Philip Bump.

00:32:16.040 OK, and a friend of mine sent him a message when that tweet went up.

00:32:19.460 OK, an update gives Biden one hundred percent of the new votes, one hundred twenty eight thousand reading this right now.

00:32:23.420 My friend said, what is going on here?

00:32:25.600 And he said they counted votes in a heavily pro Biden area.

00:32:27.980 Not complicated.

00:32:29.000 In other words, at this point, we didn't know that it was a typo.

00:32:31.560 But a rant, but one hundred and twenty eight thousand, one hundred percent new votes found for Biden at this point.

00:32:37.080 Philip Bump at The Washington Post didn't think there was anything fishy and had no interest in investigating.

00:32:42.200 So I'm saying there is no level of fraud or corruption at all that would cause them to investigate or give them pause.

00:32:50.200 If one hundred and twenty eight thousand, which afterwards, oh, a couple hours later, he didn't know was a typo at this time.

00:32:54.940 And he was saying, no, no, no, that checks out.

00:32:57.200 That to me is terrifying.

00:32:58.340 So he's the same guy who went after Trafalgar as completely discredited and a hack and, you know, doesn't know what he's doing.

00:33:05.060 And he got Trafalgar, got it a lot more right than The Washington Post did.

00:33:10.820 Philip Bump's organization, which was predicting that Biden would be up, I think, 17 points in Wisconsin.

00:33:16.840 Wrong, sir. Wrong. Right.

00:33:18.800 But there's not going to be any. They're not going to take accountability for any of this.

00:33:22.740 You're already seeing people say, well, sort of in the margin of error.

00:33:25.460 If you just look at this one time, we said this one thing. I'm not hoping for accountability.

00:33:30.000 Here's the thing. You mentioned Trafalgar, but Trafalgar doesn't sit on the fact checking board of the three biggest companies in the world of YouTube, Alphabet, Google and Twitter and Facebook.

00:33:39.360 Washington Post and this asshat do.

00:33:42.460 That's the issue.

00:33:44.260 The guy who said one hundred twenty eight thousand, one hundred percent for Biden.

00:33:47.320 No problem.

00:33:48.400 They're the ones who have the ear of the people who determine what is misleading.

00:33:51.400 That's my point. It's not an isolated, random reporter who we know most of them are hacks and they suck.

00:33:56.700 It's the fact that these people have been assembled as a team of determining what is an authoritative source in today's media with all major companies.

00:34:06.900 And we're talking about big tech.

00:34:08.200 They're more powerful in the Roman Empire.

00:34:10.460 People don't understand. There have never been companies more powerful.

00:34:12.780 They're more powerful than governments.

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00:35:29.520 For our audience who doesn't know this, and let me just give them a little background on you.

00:35:32.860 It's not that everybody doesn't know Steven Crowder, but just in case.

00:35:35.720 You're only 33, which is just crazy to me.

00:35:38.860 I can't believe you're only 33.

00:35:39.940 You're married.

00:35:40.780 You don't have kids yet, no?

00:35:42.420 No, we don't.

00:35:43.200 Hopefully soon, God willing.

00:35:44.520 Okay.

00:35:44.860 So born in Michigan, but raised in Canada, right?

00:35:48.320 Yes, ma'am.

00:35:49.100 Okay.

00:35:49.520 Yeah.

00:35:49.900 The land of Justin Trudeau.

00:35:51.280 So let me just start with, how did you wind up conservative, right?

00:35:54.620 Because I think of, you know, Canada and I just think of, I don't know, Pinko, Commie, Justin Trudeau.

00:36:00.140 What?

00:36:00.540 I know.

00:36:00.800 I'm just saying, most people I know from there come out more left-leaning.

00:36:04.120 Well, listen, and I hope I'm not touching on the sore spot, but obviously people know

00:36:06.540 you asked a question about blackface, which there was all of this uproar, whereas with

00:36:10.640 Justin Trudeau, the folk liberal Canadian press, he didn't just do it once.

00:36:14.620 Like, it's his raison d'etre.

00:36:15.800 He was doing it in talent shows, and he was showing up to sporting events in blackface

00:36:19.720 when there was no reason to be in blackface.

00:36:21.160 It's like, he just liked being in blackface, and nobody cared.

00:36:24.200 Have you seen all the pictures?

00:36:26.960 The funniest thing.

00:36:27.900 Yes.

00:36:28.240 The funniest thing I think I've ever seen in my life.

00:36:30.620 We were sitting here, and there was a press conference.

00:36:32.380 Remember the first time that it had been revealed that Justin Trudeau, for people who don't know,

00:36:36.500 he's a Canadian prime minister.

00:36:37.820 Many people may not, because Canada's a silly and consequential place.

00:36:41.240 But he had done blackface.

00:36:42.520 And he was being interviewed by reporters, so he's doing this press conference.

00:36:46.440 And he says, I did do this.

00:36:48.700 I did go in dress up one time, and it was a very poor judgment, a mistake, and I'm very sorry.

00:36:56.080 Thank you.

00:36:56.360 And as he's walking out, someone says, excuse me, Prime Minister Trudeau, yeah, were there

00:37:01.340 any other moments where you did blackface?

00:37:03.480 And he turns back, he goes, there was one time where I did wear makeup, and I sang Deo.

00:37:08.520 Thank you.

00:37:08.980 No more questions.

00:37:09.480 I'm like, wait, a banana song?

00:37:11.420 And he just tried to skim over it.

00:37:13.180 Like, he knew that was in his past.

00:37:15.840 And he was just trying to, and he has this, so I'm sitting there.

00:37:17.480 So he went to the blackface going, Dale, Dale, when I come back, it's worse than old minstrel

00:37:24.380 shows.

00:37:24.780 And he had to answer the question, because he knew they were going to find it.

00:37:28.340 People here, they thought I was going to need a ventilator.

00:37:31.120 I was laughing so hard.

00:37:33.320 That's the kind of stuff.

00:37:34.540 That's why I'm conservative.

00:37:35.500 I love seeing pompous authoritarians taken off their pedestal.

00:37:40.820 And really, what it comes down to with Canada, I have an American citizenship.

00:37:44.100 My dad has always been more right-leaning.

00:37:46.380 And I started working really young.

00:37:47.660 You know, I started working at 12 years old, doing voice work in cartoons and commercials.

00:37:52.220 And it started at the dinner table.

00:37:53.400 Ronald Reagan has talked about that.

00:37:54.700 My dad would just have conversations.

00:37:56.180 He'd go, okay, that's a check for, you know, doing for Arthur.

00:37:59.860 This is what's going to be gone.

00:38:01.020 I think at the time, it might have been like 54%.

00:38:03.620 I said, well, why?

00:38:04.840 He goes, well, that's because the government takes it.

00:38:06.660 And I would say, well, why?

00:38:07.620 He said, well, because they also, they pay for your health care.

00:38:10.180 And I go, but our health care sucks.

00:38:11.340 You know, I knew this as a kid.

00:38:12.760 So my dad explained this to me early on.

00:38:15.700 And then, you know, foundationally, as a Christian, they're just, I'm precluded from

00:38:20.580 supporting anyone in the current Democratic Party as it exists.

00:38:24.320 So that's really all it came down to.

00:38:27.440 And to give you an idea, Canadians, they're all jealous of Americans.

00:38:30.020 Do you know the most popular destination?

00:38:32.500 I was raised in the South Shore of Montreal.

00:38:34.640 So kind of like Brooklyn, the Montreal, an area there called the South Shore.

00:38:37.880 But that's a big city, right?

00:38:39.460 You're talking about millions of people.

00:38:40.660 We would drive an hour to Plattsburgh, New York.

00:38:45.140 Sure.

00:38:45.600 Which is the most food long town you can, but just because it was the land of cool stuff

00:38:49.280 that we didn't get in Canada and everything was, you know, maybe 30 to 40% less, even

00:38:54.020 when you took into account the exchange because of the taxes in Canada.

00:38:57.420 So a lot of Canadians like to talk crap on the United States, but they really do wish

00:39:01.660 that they were American.

00:39:02.360 And the fact that Canada is still allowed to exist, to me, is the greatest proof that

00:39:06.860 the United States is not the evil empire superpower people claim it to be.

00:39:12.080 Because if they wanted to take over Canada, it would take about an hour and a half.

00:39:14.880 It's too cold for us to want it.

00:39:17.960 And I hope you're listening, Debbie Murphy.

00:39:19.440 Debbie Murphy is my senior producer on the show.

00:39:21.420 She's been with me since the beginning of my time at Fox.

00:39:23.660 She's my editorial producer.

00:39:25.060 And I love Debbie Murphy and I love having Debbie Murphy with me in New York.

00:39:28.180 But you know what Debbie Murphy did?

00:39:29.600 She married a damn Canadian and then she moved to damn Canada and she had a bunch of

00:39:33.440 damn Canadian babies.

00:39:34.420 Now I can't get her back here.

00:39:35.420 She's actually producing this show from damn Canada.

00:39:38.120 Oh, gosh.

00:39:39.040 Well, I hope we're it's not Quebec, is it?

00:39:41.140 She's not in Montreal.

00:39:42.660 Yeah, Toronto, I think.

00:39:43.620 Right. Yeah.

00:39:44.540 I don't know.

00:39:44.820 They all blend together from down here.

00:39:46.960 Toronto is a boring sister, but it's it's not nearly as socialist and crazy.

00:39:50.620 I mean, Quebec is just a land of strip clubs and socialism.

00:39:53.560 So it's beautiful.

00:39:54.520 On the bright side, I don't have to give her any benefits because, you know, she's got

00:39:57.440 all the socialist offerings of the government up there.

00:40:01.180 So let's say you're 33.

00:40:02.380 You're a child voiceover actor.

00:40:03.780 You become conservative.

00:40:04.560 And then the next thing I know, the way I first came to know you was you're 21, I think.

00:40:09.000 And you come to Fox News.

00:40:10.300 Now, that's a that's a good break for you.

00:40:12.200 Right.

00:40:12.380 A 21 year old guy.

00:40:13.480 And and what I'll tell you what I remember about you.

00:40:15.520 And then you tell me what your experience was.

00:40:17.220 You were hilarious.

00:40:18.500 You were very smart.

00:40:19.920 You were provocateur.

00:40:21.160 You'd go on college campuses and needle people and argue with them.

00:40:23.780 And it was fun to watch.

00:40:25.160 And then you were gone.

00:40:26.400 And I was like, somebody probably felt threatened by him and decided he should no longer be here.

00:40:32.520 But that was complete supposition on my part.

00:40:34.860 I never found out what happened.

00:40:36.160 So how did you get that job?

00:40:37.840 And what was that all about?

00:40:38.740 All right.

00:40:39.840 So you're saying this is this the portion where we dish where we dish like a couple of bitches.

00:40:43.840 I'll do it.

00:40:44.500 Yeah, I've got my Oprah hat on.

00:40:46.160 No.

00:40:46.660 So, yeah, I started acting and doing, you know, voice work.

00:40:49.720 I started doing stand up in my mid teens.

00:40:51.840 So I actually got into the Just for Laughs Festival in Montreal, which which a lot of people think it's actually harder if you're in Montreal to get into the festival because there are only so many spots.

00:41:00.700 But I got into it when I was about 18 and that took me to Los Angeles and New York to shoot some pilots and some films.

00:41:07.040 And I was always right leaning.

00:41:08.860 You know, I was always right.

00:41:09.500 My first manager was black and he didn't really know that I was conservative until I actually came out and I was doing shows in New York and the Laugh Factory.

00:41:16.660 And back then the improv was still there.

00:41:17.960 And then I would just get into trouble on sets because I didn't really keep my mouth shut.

00:41:22.700 So what happened was I really sort of became disenchanted with the industry after shooting a film.

00:41:28.580 And I told my parents at I believe I was maybe 19 or 20.

00:41:33.940 I said, all right, I'm going to stay with you guys.

00:41:35.940 Give me six months.

00:41:37.260 I'm going to treat this thing like a full time job.

00:41:38.860 And it was YouTube.

00:41:39.920 And I don't know that someone like me that could come up today.

00:41:42.700 What I did was I direct messaged hundreds of thousands of people asking them to subscribe to my channel.

00:41:47.960 And the first video that ever went semi-viral, which back then was like 20,000 plays, was Crazy Pete's Abortion Barn.

00:41:55.800 And what it was, was I was reading from Planned Parenthood's website, but like a bad used car salesman, because they were saying,

00:42:01.420 we offer the highest quality health care services at most affordable prices.

00:42:04.680 And so I had this character.

00:42:05.900 I was like, we're slashing babies and slashing prices.

00:42:08.540 And it was really distasteful.

00:42:10.000 And everyone was shocked that someone would do this.

00:42:12.780 And then the next video that I uploaded was me as Muhammad.

00:42:18.300 And I was reading from the Quran where he beat his six-year-old wife, Aisha.

00:42:21.360 And I did like a three stooges routine with multiple wives.

00:42:24.000 And that's where I started talking with Andrew Breitbart.

00:42:25.800 Andrew Breitbart was shocked.

00:42:28.040 And he sent me to, you might remember a guy named, was it Ken LaCourt who was in charge of Fox News?

00:42:32.040 Yeah, Ken LaCourt.

00:42:32.860 He ran .com at Fox.

00:42:34.220 Okay, so this happened, this Islam video, the Quran Challenge, I called it.

00:42:39.340 And that got a couple hundred thousand plays.

00:42:41.080 And I started getting a lot of death threats.

00:42:42.420 And I spoke with Ken.

00:42:43.780 And he said, yeah, well, if you die, have someone call me.

00:42:46.020 It's a story.

00:42:46.600 Click.

00:42:47.400 And I said, okay.

00:42:49.220 That was my introduction to the industry.

00:42:51.580 Then I did this stuff with PJ TV.

00:42:54.140 And this was like an online, you know, like all these conservative TV.

00:42:57.240 They call it TV, even though it's actually not on TV.

00:42:59.120 And I was the first person to do like hidden camera stuff before James O'Keefe.

00:43:02.280 Even though I was a comedian, I went to Canada.

00:43:04.400 I went to the socialized healthcare system.

00:43:06.080 That took me to Fox News.

00:43:07.740 And you know what happened with Fox News?

00:43:09.800 First, my advocate there was Suzanne Scott.

00:43:11.560 All I ever knew was that Roger Ailes didn't find me funny.

00:43:15.320 But I also found out that he thought Norm MacDonald was like the most unfunny person on earth.

00:43:19.840 So I took it kind of as a badge of honor.

00:43:21.700 But Suzanne Scott and Bill Shine were always very nice with me.

00:43:25.020 And Suzanne Scott was really more of my advocate.

00:43:26.820 So I went in there and I did a bunch of shows.

00:43:28.800 And, you know, there was a period of time where they talked about producing a show.

00:43:34.140 But they told me what I wanted to do.

00:43:35.860 What we're doing now would never work.

00:43:37.520 It would never work that conservatives didn't really like that kind of show.

00:43:39.840 The closest they could come to would be Red Eye, which was really political commentary

00:43:44.160 with a couple of people who might be a little snippy.

00:43:46.560 And then it just got to a point where I didn't really think there was much of a future.

00:43:50.120 And I was depressed.

00:43:51.260 I was really depressed because I was at Fox News.

00:43:53.720 And they kind of, I had a little bit of, I wasn't, I wasn't Megyn Kelly, right?

00:43:57.400 I was at the, I was at the bottom of the, uh, the totem pole there.

00:44:00.600 So they were often giving me contracts that were very short.

00:44:03.480 And I was always under this cloud of renewal and they didn't really know what they wanted

00:44:06.720 to do with me.

00:44:07.300 And that's not their fault.

00:44:08.120 They knew that they didn't really want any other networks to have me because CNN was

00:44:11.240 calling MSNBC.

00:44:13.460 And then finally I just said, you know what?

00:44:14.780 I just don't really think this is the place for me.

00:44:16.240 And we, we parted ways.

00:44:17.720 And afterwards it became more of a scandal because of the way that the media handles it.

00:44:21.560 But I do remember when I met you, I do remember the first time I did your show,

00:44:24.260 it was the BP oil spill and Kevin Costner had, uh, the patent, remember on some kind

00:44:29.360 of technology to clean up the oil.

00:44:31.500 And, uh, I, I remember I was very nervous because I, I had a, I had a very, uh, I had

00:44:35.480 a big, I had a big crush.

00:44:36.460 I was not married at the time.

00:44:37.240 I can say this.

00:44:38.100 And, uh, there's, there are people who are, there are people who are pretty.

00:44:41.400 And then there are people because you also, uh, you radiate, uh, uh, you're very kind.

00:44:45.600 It's like looking into the sun, which you can't do for too long.

00:44:48.740 So I had to look away.

00:44:49.840 Uh, and then I remember afterwards I introduced you to a friend of mine who will remain nameless,

00:44:53.720 but Hollywood, uh, a-lister by email.

00:44:56.380 But can I say one thing?

00:44:57.620 And I don't want to, I don't want to, you did break my heart after that.

00:45:00.740 And let me tell you why.

00:45:02.220 After I left Fox News, I did this thing that went viral where I went to Islam, Muslim bakeries.

00:45:06.880 And I'd done your show, I think maybe twice.

00:45:08.780 And, uh, I, Muslim bakeries were asking to bake a gay wedding cake.

00:45:12.040 It was a funny thing.

00:45:12.660 We all said no.

00:45:13.680 And then you talked about your show and you said some YouTube producer.

00:45:16.560 Uh, and I was like, Megan knows who I am.

00:45:20.480 And so I, I, I always wondered why that happened.

00:45:22.660 Because I always thought we were, we were, you know, we always had a good rapport.

00:45:26.180 Honestly, I, I'll tell you the truth.

00:45:27.880 I, I probably just didn't remember.

00:45:29.780 I just didn't make the connection.

00:45:31.180 I, I don't have a very good memory for faces and names.

00:45:34.420 My assistant Abigail's sitting right next to me right now.

00:45:36.380 She's shaking her head.

00:45:37.120 No, no.

00:45:37.940 She has to deal with this all the time.

00:45:39.020 And I worry about it because people think it's because now I've become this public figure

00:45:44.640 and I'm just too fancy and important to remember the little people.

00:45:48.460 And it's not that at all.

00:45:49.740 I've always had this deficiency.

00:45:51.800 I'm not good at remembering faces and names.

00:45:54.860 There are things I am good at, and that's a real deficiency.

00:45:58.040 I've had people, Stephen, they'll stop me on the street, be like, Hey, Megan, how you

00:46:01.400 doing?

00:46:01.600 I'm like, Oh, good, good.

00:46:02.920 And they'll be like chatting to me.

00:46:04.780 And it'll occur to me five minutes in the conversation that they actually know me.

00:46:08.100 They don't just know of me.

00:46:09.160 They know me.

00:46:09.740 And I'm like, Oh my God, how do I know them?

00:46:11.720 Like, and I'll try to back my way into it.

00:46:14.060 And then they'll be like, yeah, you know, when I was on your show that time and I'll

00:46:16.280 be like, Oh, and they'll be like, and then the next time I'm like, yeah, how many times

00:46:19.300 were you on?

00:46:19.720 They're like five times.

00:46:20.740 I'm like, Oh shit.

00:46:22.020 Like I, it's embarrassing.

00:46:25.380 It's like a, it's, it's like a, a mental handicap.

00:46:28.780 I was like a 22 year old kid.

00:46:30.580 And you know, I'm sitting there at this point, you know, I was single thinking, uh, well, you

00:46:33.940 know, I found out you were married and thinking, I mean, I got a shot.

00:46:35.980 And, uh, you know, so to me it meant a whole lot more.

00:46:38.740 And then, yeah, I think he just, but I remember always wondering about that because what did

00:46:41.440 happen and you know, this with Fox news, I didn't want to renew the contract at that

00:46:45.500 point.

00:46:45.700 And then it was kind of a, well, you, you don't leave Fox news.

00:46:49.300 Now you're persona non non grata.

00:46:51.440 Um, and there are some people who I'm still friends with there, but it was like, you know,

00:46:53.660 you don't quit.

00:46:54.300 We fire you.

00:46:55.020 And I don't know legally what I can talk about with the contract, but I think you can confirm

00:46:58.540 that there's a little bit of that mentality.

00:47:00.520 And that was a rude awakening.

00:47:01.900 And it surprised me because, you know, Megan, I was at a point in my life where think about

00:47:05.600 it.

00:47:05.720 I was a comedian from Canada.

00:47:06.740 We didn't get Fox news.

00:47:07.760 We had a pirate radio from, from Plattsburgh, New York, where occasionally we could get like

00:47:11.980 maybe Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

00:47:14.500 Um, and I just knew this was the big show.

00:47:17.420 I knew everyone saying, Oh, you're on Fox news.

00:47:19.300 You know, and I had a segment every single Sunday where I was debating Alicia Menendez.

00:47:21.940 I was probably appearing four times a week and then a couple of times in their online

00:47:25.380 thing, which I don't, I don't really, it didn't pan out.

00:47:27.560 They changed it to Fox nation, but I'm going, okay, what I want to do, I can't do here.

00:47:32.720 And I'm stepping away from really the only platform that everyone wants to get to, if

00:47:37.320 they're conservative to try a show that they've already told me will never work.

00:47:42.640 And, uh, it was, it was, it was a dark period.

00:47:44.980 I just, you know, I didn't necessarily know how I was going to do it, but I knew that what

00:47:48.120 I wanted to do, I couldn't do there.

00:47:50.920 And so, uh, I'm really sincerely grateful that this show, whatever it is in the audience,

00:47:58.120 whatever it is that we have, that they actually care.

00:47:59.800 I just went out and said, you know what?

00:48:01.740 I would like a show like this.

00:48:04.360 And, and I did it.

00:48:06.040 Right.

00:48:06.720 You created it.

00:48:07.620 Well, I mean, you know, as my, my sister-in-law, Diane, who's very spiritual, she would call that

00:48:11.840 and people have heard that, but she would say you manifested it, you know, whether you were

00:48:14.860 consciously doing it or not, at some level you were making it happen.

00:48:17.960 You were manifesting it.

00:48:18.860 Wait, I want to say just a couple of things.

00:48:20.420 Number one, I am sorry that I didn't remember you.

00:48:23.380 Um, I'm, I'm really not good at that, but I'm sorry.

00:48:25.560 So no, absolutely no personal offense intended there.

00:48:28.260 No, I appreciate it.

00:48:29.840 I just was wondering why, but.

00:48:31.500 Yeah, no, but I feel bad.

00:48:32.540 I genuinely feel bad.

00:48:33.720 I hate the fact that this thing I have would ever make somebody feel like I, that they,

00:48:37.920 they didn't matter to me.

00:48:39.100 It's, I wish I could do something about it.

00:48:40.800 I wish there were like a pill you could take that would help you.

00:48:43.120 I actually am one of those people who I'm always Googling.

00:48:44.820 Like, have they come out with it yet?

00:48:45.820 The thing that helps your memory, I have a really good memory for certain things like

00:48:48.920 facts.

00:48:49.380 I can remember, I can remember news stories.

00:48:51.100 I can remember the details.

00:48:51.880 I can remember somebody who contradicts themselves, but this one lane.

00:48:55.660 And I wonder whether any of the listeners have this same thing, you know, like, you know,

00:48:59.300 how like some people are really good at directions and some people aren't.

00:49:01.400 Some people are good at foreign languages and some people aren't.

00:49:03.460 And some people are great with faces and names and, and aren't.

00:49:06.220 Anyway.

00:49:06.520 Okay.

00:49:06.760 So that's number one.

00:49:07.420 Number two, on you leaving Fox news.

00:49:09.740 I too have a ton of friends who are still there and, you know, some of my best friends

00:49:13.820 in the world are there, but I do think that there is an element.

00:49:17.620 And I say this respectfully, there's an element of cult-like nature to it because you're either

00:49:24.380 in or you're out, you're in or you're out.

00:49:26.280 And once you're out, it is like the omerta principle, you know, like dead.

00:49:30.460 And to me, that's like, and I, I had a bumpy exit in a way, I mean, I chose to leave of

00:49:36.020 course, but because of the whole Roger rails thing.

00:49:38.260 And that upset a lot of people who loved Roger and did not like the fact that I didn't support

00:49:42.360 him, but I did once I had a couple of years out of the organization realize it is, it does

00:49:49.220 sort of move as one group and you're either in that group or you're not.

00:49:54.260 And it took me a couple of years to sort of emerge standing up straight and tall and back

00:49:59.040 to myself after leaving and remember like, Oh wait, you know, I don't have to go along

00:50:03.720 with certain things and I can think for myself and I don't have to, you know, do things exactly

00:50:07.840 the way Roger rails wanted me to do them.

00:50:09.960 I can just do them the way, you know, it's like took a while.

00:50:12.240 So I, I can validate the feelings you may have been having of like other, other rising.

00:50:17.800 And I didn't change the way that I was while I was there, but to go back to what you mentioned

00:50:20.980 about names and faces, you know, the two weren't necessarily one of the same because I am

00:50:24.240 horrible with names, but I never forget a face or a voice.

00:50:28.840 It borders on perhaps some kind of autism, uh, which my wife often says, she's like,

00:50:33.880 I think you're autistic.

00:50:34.780 I'm like, why?

00:50:35.200 Just because I, just because I like a weighted blanket.

00:50:37.420 Come on.

00:50:38.100 But I do like a weighted blanket.

00:50:39.660 Uh, but she, yeah, weighted blankets are fantastic.

00:50:42.980 I have them on all my beds.

00:50:43.940 I'm like, how did I not know about this before?

00:50:45.360 I used to, when I was a kid, I would put extra blankets on my bed because I wanted more weight.

00:50:49.740 And then at the very last second, I'd fan my terrycloth robe over it and go, okay, that's,

00:50:54.000 that's enough.

00:50:55.520 Wait, I didn't actually know about the weighted blanket.

00:50:58.000 I'm actually, I confess, I'm just learning about the weighted blanket right now.

00:51:00.620 It's a thing.

00:51:01.220 You can get it for any bed.

00:51:03.000 Because you're not retarded like me, where I do wear, where I use the weighted blankets,

00:51:06.400 but I've only found it out.

00:51:07.380 You can't say retarded.

00:51:08.820 Well, I just did.

00:51:09.800 You're not going to edit this out, are you?

00:51:11.260 Like Dan Crenshaw editing out my favorite jokes ever in his podcast.

00:51:14.440 I can't believe what, I can't believe it did it.

00:51:16.240 It drove me nuts.

00:51:16.780 Well, we will not be editing you out.

00:51:17.940 But just as a quick aside, I remember interviewing Bernie Goldberg one time on the Fox News and

00:51:22.460 he used the term midget.

00:51:23.440 And I said, you can't say midget.

00:51:24.760 This is live in the air.

00:51:25.560 And he goes, midget, midget, midget, midget.

00:51:28.780 Like, oh, there was no editing in live TV.

00:51:34.080 No.

00:51:34.360 Well, okay.

00:51:34.740 Well, thank you.

00:51:35.280 I'm glad you won't.

00:51:35.800 Yeah, no, I can.

00:51:36.640 I don't understand why that is actually an offensive word because it comes from the,

00:51:40.360 you know, Latin, it comes from the romance, all the romance languages come from Latin.

00:51:43.620 Everything is offensive.

00:51:44.420 That's why.

00:51:45.440 Well, retar means late.

00:51:46.980 It actually means slow to arrive.

00:51:49.140 And, you know, my wife and I have actually volunteered with special needs people.

00:51:53.220 It's a big reason why we're very pro-life.

00:51:54.980 So it's just when people tell us, like, you can't say it.

00:51:56.420 I'm like, I have watched mentally retarded people call other people retarded.

00:52:01.660 Like, this is something I, but you guys wouldn't know because you don't hang around.

00:52:04.040 And they're not offended if you say someone mentally handicapped, which is now offensive

00:52:07.100 as well, specially abled.

00:52:09.080 Anyway, that's beside the point.

00:52:10.620 Do you want to hear the joke that was in Ben Crenshaw's podcast?

00:52:13.500 That guy?

00:52:14.040 Yeah.

00:52:14.240 That's son of a gun.

00:52:15.740 He was talking about mirroring, or he was talking about reflecting a psychological term

00:52:20.560 or about the left.

00:52:21.340 I think he said they're reflecting what the right does.

00:52:24.020 And this was edited out.

00:52:25.260 So now I want the world to hear it because it wasn't a joke that I wrote.

00:52:27.940 It was just something I said as an aside, and we had to pause the whole thing.

00:52:30.560 He said, you know, Democrats are doing this, they're reflecting.

00:52:32.720 I said, yeah, I believe it's a psychological term.

00:52:35.060 You know, when I did social studies, they call it mirroring, where you're actually mirroring

00:52:38.500 people's emotions, and sometimes you're matching their intensity.

00:52:40.540 I said, I actually, as a boss, I govern by projection.

00:52:43.080 I just yell at everyone for having a small penis.

00:52:45.020 He cut that out of his show.

00:52:49.400 Like, someone's going to be offended about me joking that I have a small wiener for crying out loud.

00:52:54.340 Oh, come on.

00:52:55.160 That doesn't, I'm surprised at that.

00:52:56.860 I would have thought, I mean, he's from Houston, right?

00:52:58.360 Let go of it.

00:52:58.920 I would have thought Dan Crenshaw would have been, like, Texas humor, they can take anything.

00:53:02.300 But the face thing, I never forget a face.

00:53:05.940 Just yesterday, we were watching something, my wife and I, I can't remember, I can't remember

00:53:09.320 the name of the show.

00:53:10.280 But I was watching, I said, oh, that's the guy.

00:53:11.920 I said, that guy, that guy, that guy.

00:53:13.060 And he's probably about 25 years older.

00:53:14.400 I said, that's the guy from Sabrina the Teenage Witch.

00:53:16.360 And Hillary goes, the guy with the mustache?

00:53:17.760 I go, no, you're thinking about Martin Mull.

00:53:18.860 It was a guy who had a guest role in one episode on Sabrina the Teenage Witch as a teacher.

00:53:24.220 Oh, my God.

00:53:25.360 And I can pick it out.

00:53:27.200 When I was at the YAF, the national YAF conference, you know, this is where people,

00:53:30.680 they all show up from every different college.

00:53:32.680 It distracts me because I look out into the crowd and I can see faces and I can remember

00:53:37.060 exactly where I was when I met them, what they were wearing, who was with me, but I can

00:53:42.360 never remember a name.

00:53:43.820 It really is a weird thing.

00:53:44.840 But that's a gift.

00:53:45.460 That's a gift.

00:53:46.040 You're halfway home.

00:53:46.900 I would kill to be able to have that.

00:53:48.500 I interviewed Mary Lou Hemmer, Hemmer.

00:53:50.920 Yeah, Henner, Henner, Henner from Taxi.

00:53:53.720 And she's got that thing.

00:53:55.500 They featured her on 60 Minutes a few years ago.

00:53:57.800 She's got that thing.

00:53:58.700 They found like, I don't know if it's if it's only like six people in the United States

00:54:02.800 who have it.

00:54:04.660 You can say, Mary Lou, November 2nd, 1978, and she can tell you what she was wearing that

00:54:11.320 day, what the temperature was, what time the sun set, everything about the day.

00:54:15.140 She's got a photographic memory for every detail of her life on any given day.

00:54:21.140 And I emerged from my interview with her and from the 60 Minutes piece thinking that is

00:54:25.760 much more of a curse than it is a gift.

00:54:28.480 That's also if it's just her life, that's a narcissist.

00:54:30.480 Like, I know everything about me.

00:54:35.160 Really?

00:54:35.860 How about one other person?

00:54:36.980 I don't have the space.

00:54:38.480 What am I?

00:54:39.080 What am I, retired?

00:54:40.540 I don't remember my stuff.

00:54:42.140 I need a friend like that in my life, because since my memory for those details is so poor,

00:54:46.320 I'll be talking to somebody who's got this thing, like not not like Mary Lou, but who's

00:54:50.140 really good at remembering things.

00:54:51.820 And I'll be like, they'll be telling me a story about, you know, when we were in high

00:54:54.380 school and I'll be like, and then what I do?

00:54:56.860 And then what?

00:54:57.600 Like, it's like hearing the story for the first time.

00:55:00.060 I'm worried.

00:55:00.720 I think I might have early Alzheimer's.

00:55:02.520 I don't know what it is.

00:55:04.060 Let's not talk about Alzheimer's because our potential president could have it.

00:55:08.740 And it's no laughing matter.

00:55:09.980 Let's just hope he's still alive so we can find out.

00:55:14.200 I mean, it's unclear.

00:55:16.060 Joe, if Joe Biden actually, and I don't think he's going to become president, but if he does,

00:55:18.940 he's definitely not living through the first term.

00:55:20.180 I mean, it was 70 something percent of Democrats didn't believe he would make it through his

00:55:22.780 first term.

00:55:23.420 That is that is a vote of no confidence, madam, if I've ever heard one.

00:55:27.760 Why?

00:55:28.020 Because because they think he's going to pass or because they think Kamala Harris is going

00:55:31.360 to take him out.

00:55:32.240 I've heard that, too.

00:55:34.060 I know it was I think it was 72 or 78 percent of Democrats that they didn't think he would serve

00:55:39.120 his entire first term.

00:55:40.020 So, yeah, they either think that he could, you know, I don't know, maybe someone will

00:55:42.360 turn on a microwave and he'll piss his pants, forget who he was for a second with the plate

00:55:45.560 in his head that acts up.

00:55:46.440 Or maybe they think Kamala Harris will take him out.

00:55:48.780 I didn't see that subset of the polling questions, but a majority of Democrats don't believe he'll

00:55:53.660 make it to his first term.

00:55:54.720 And I tend to I mean, these are these are.

00:55:56.260 Listen, obviously, these are the conversations people are having.

00:55:58.860 They're worried about his health and one way or the other.

00:56:01.040 And they wonder whether this is all set up by the Democrats to get her in to the presidential

00:56:05.560 seat as soon as possible, because, you know, he does seem, as Crystal Ball said the other

00:56:09.360 day, not at the apex of his authority or what was the second word?

00:56:14.060 Power.

00:56:15.020 I don't know.

00:56:16.020 Mental acuity.

00:56:17.920 He's a demented old circle.

00:56:19.740 Let's go with that.

00:56:20.660 I think that's an apt description.

00:56:22.560 OK.

00:56:22.860 All right.

00:56:24.080 Let me ask you about your approach to these subjects, because when I see your YouTube show,

00:56:28.760 which has got up for four million followers, it's huge.

00:56:31.200 That's just on any given day.

00:56:32.320 Never mind, you know, election, you really have no third rails.

00:56:37.460 I mean, you mentioned some of them like I like to think I don't have as many, I guess,

00:56:40.980 as the average person.

00:56:41.760 But man, you make me look like an uptight Pollyanna.

00:56:44.540 I I can't believe you've been doing the Prophet Muhammad stuff.

00:56:48.500 I mean, I will tell you that scares me.

00:56:51.060 I support your right to do it.

00:56:52.200 And I I secretly admire your willingness because it is free speech.

00:56:56.340 You know, we were told by sort of radical Islam that if you even talk about Prophet Muhammad,

00:57:01.820 God forbid, depict Prophet Muhammad, you could be killed.

00:57:05.900 And you not only did the skit you just talked about, but I saw one where you're pretending

00:57:09.660 to be Bob Ross, the painter, and you were painting the Prophet Muhammad.

00:57:13.000 And it was very it was not it was not a laudatory presentation.

00:57:17.340 And I thought, oh, my God, this guy, he's fearless.

00:57:21.220 I mean, can may I ask you whether given what we saw at Charlie Hebdo, you know, the magazine

00:57:25.420 in France that that drew that published pictures, cartoonish pictures of the Prophet Muhammad.

00:57:29.440 And then he was and then and then they were killed.

00:57:31.660 Twelve of them were killed.

00:57:32.460 Another 11 were shot back in 2015.

00:57:36.080 Does it give you any pause?

00:57:37.500 Are you afraid at all?

00:57:39.420 No, no.

00:57:39.760 Listen, I am not fearless.

00:57:41.020 Anyone here will tell you that I'm neurotic and I'm very, very fearful.

00:57:43.700 I was bullied as a kid.

00:57:44.940 And I get so nervous before every single show that I do here in the studio and every single

00:57:50.880 live show.

00:57:51.700 There's always a moment right before where the lights go on.

00:57:55.220 I go, why am I doing this?

00:57:55.980 And I'm just this what you can't see, but I'm putting my finger, my thumb together.

00:58:00.060 I'm just this close to walking off.

00:58:02.540 And I go, why do I do this?

00:58:03.620 I am a recluse.

00:58:05.060 This is actually, I think, the only interview that I've done outside of my show for.

00:58:08.680 Gosh, I can't I can't remember when outside of like Ben Shapiro or a good friends when

00:58:12.200 they call me up.

00:58:13.020 I'm a private person.

00:58:13.900 I don't like fame, but I do feel compelled to at least be authentic and speak truth.

00:58:20.960 And listen, if someone says that you can't paint Mohammed, yeah, I can.

00:58:25.940 Yeah, I can.

00:58:26.760 And I'm not just like I'm not going to be intimidated into voting for your candidate

00:58:30.040 because you're burning down our cities.

00:58:31.740 That does not happen.

00:58:33.180 You don't change my mind at gunpoint.

00:58:35.040 And that's why we do the change my mind.

00:58:36.260 When people call me a Nazi because I have a change my mind, you know, that we do a video

00:58:40.220 series and I say Donald Trump's not a racist, change my mind and I'm a Nazi.

00:58:43.040 But someone wants to actually support a religion that will behead me for simply painting a prophet.

00:58:49.340 And by the way, one thing, too, people need to understand, the show is a PG-13.

00:58:53.140 OK, and that's one thing, too.

00:58:54.180 When I was doing standup comedy, one of the biggest arguments I'd ever gotten into at Fox

00:58:58.380 News was with Amy Schumer because I wrote a column on abstinence.

00:59:00.780 And she was furious because she thought it was judgmental.

00:59:04.160 And I was saying that's more taboo.

00:59:06.220 Me talking about not having sex until I'm married.

00:59:09.460 That offends people.

00:59:10.200 Comedians can do anything.

00:59:11.160 They can talk about any depraved sex acts.

00:59:13.440 And, you know, like, let's take Amy Schumer, for example, talking about blowing guys at

00:59:16.280 truck stops, all this stuff.

00:59:17.940 If I go and then all of a sudden I paint Mohammed and that's more offensive.

00:59:22.060 Listen, there's nothing vulgar about it.

00:59:23.760 It's just that we are told we can't do it.

00:59:25.600 And I don't do it to be a provocateur.

00:59:26.940 I did it because for people who haven't watched it, the sketch was Bob Ross doing it as an

00:59:33.580 homage to the beautiful religion that is Islam, blissfully unaware that he was committing

00:59:38.220 blasphemy.

00:59:39.080 And my producer was watching it horrified.

00:59:41.340 That's the joke.

00:59:42.540 It was funny.

00:59:43.740 It's still funny.

00:59:44.940 And I don't apologize for it.

00:59:46.600 But of course, I'm always scared when I make those decisions.

00:59:48.920 I'm not only on the ISIS kill list.

00:59:51.240 I'm on like the top 25, the frequent flyer list.

00:59:54.120 I'm the I'm the Delta Platinum of ISIS kill.

00:59:56.860 And you know what?

00:59:57.620 Thank God I live in America.

00:59:58.580 If I were in Canada, I'd be concerned because I could be jailed.

01:00:01.580 And I have a friend right now who is before Human Rights Tribunal for a joke in Canada.

01:00:06.360 So to me, this is the only place in the world where freedom of speech actually exists.

01:00:10.120 People go, what do you mean?

01:00:11.680 And I say, I mean, just that it's the only place in the world where we have freedom of

01:00:14.860 speech.

01:00:15.180 It's absolute and it's enshrined in our constitution.

01:00:17.400 And if that means that I have to paint a few profits, so be it.

01:00:20.500 Now, it scares me.

01:00:21.420 I'm friends with Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

01:00:23.760 And, you know, she was helping make this Dutch filmmaker make a film about Islam that was

01:00:29.880 not complimentary.

01:00:31.820 And he, Theo van Gogh, and he wound up with a fatwa, you know, like an order for his death,

01:00:37.460 stabbed into his chest with a knife and was killed.

01:00:41.120 And she, she's, she's had a fatwa against her now for being critical of Islam and walks

01:00:46.360 around with security all the time.

01:00:49.180 It is scary.

01:00:50.500 I mean, that's next level scary.

01:00:51.920 It's one thing to like, you know, thumb your nose is a cancel culture.

01:00:55.300 But it is a free speech principle.

01:00:57.540 I mean, it isn't, I would say something I would do.

01:00:59.500 I just don't want to mess with people's religions in general.

01:01:01.460 But you're a comedian and comedians, they get, they get paid to think there's no sacred

01:01:05.060 cows.

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01:02:35.860 I love the change my mind thing.

01:02:39.040 So you go on college campuses and I like the name of it.

01:02:42.740 It just changed my mind.

01:02:43.960 It's not like, screw you, you're stupid.

01:02:46.440 It's like, I believe this changed my mind.

01:02:48.860 And they do.

01:02:49.620 They don't change your mind, but they do come over to you and they'll talk to you.

01:02:53.320 And here's what we pulled one because we did one not too long ago on Amy Coney Barrett.

01:02:58.140 And what campus was it on?

01:02:59.400 Do you know which one you did that on?

01:03:00.960 I think that was ECU, I believe.

01:03:04.520 I actually like this girl.

01:03:05.760 She was kind of sweet.

01:03:06.740 She came over.

01:03:07.360 She wanted to argue with you about how Amy Coney Barrett should not get a hearing and

01:03:11.940 that we should wait until post-vote.

01:03:13.540 And we have the clip.

01:03:16.800 Listen.

01:03:17.200 So there's a longstanding precedent.

01:03:18.400 As a matter of fact, it would be a violation of American precedent and decorum to not confirm

01:03:23.400 them.

01:03:23.600 So I guess what would you be, and I've heard this quite a bit, but I don't, I mean, she

01:03:30.340 goes against like so much of what, of so much of the progress that we've made from the Supreme

01:03:35.920 Court justice that she's going to be replacing.

01:03:38.220 That sits okay with you?

01:03:39.980 Do you care about women's rights?

01:03:41.680 Do I care about women's rights?

01:03:42.740 Of course I do.

01:03:43.500 But what does that have to do with confirming Amy Coney Barrett?

01:03:46.580 I don't think that she's the best fit to begin with.

01:03:49.080 So is that the litmus test for why we should not confirm a justice?

01:03:52.260 No, it's the election year, as I first said.

01:03:55.540 But okay, but the election year, but then I went back to the election.

01:03:57.120 But if you want to go deeper, then yeah, it's also that she's doesn't.

01:04:00.280 Okay, but you said the election year.

01:04:01.700 Have we addressed the election year, that there's 29 times precedent?

01:04:04.980 Yeah, and I still, I don't care.

01:04:05.640 So this is your, so you don't like it, you don't feel good about it?

01:04:08.900 No.

01:04:09.400 I told you that it was because of an election year.

01:04:12.300 Like, this year has been a mess for so many reasons, and I don't know why we couldn't

01:04:17.200 just wait a little bit longer to make that decision when someone's elected.

01:04:21.220 I guess the question becomes, again, you would have to justify, you'd have to rationalize

01:04:26.280 that reason, considering that it goes against precedent, waiting to nominate.

01:04:30.660 That's not what we do.

01:04:31.480 That's not what Obama did.

01:04:32.760 That's not what's happened 29 times.

01:04:34.260 You nominate.

01:04:34.940 You're the president.

01:04:35.560 That's what you do.

01:04:36.800 And if you're the Senate, you confirm or you reject.

01:04:38.660 That's what you do.

01:04:40.560 Okay.

01:04:41.060 So I don't understand the reasoning, I guess.

01:04:43.280 That is a good point.

01:04:44.340 I'm thinking.

01:04:45.760 No, no, I appreciate it.

01:04:46.800 I just, I've heard your argument.

01:04:47.760 You made a good point.

01:04:48.520 I know, I'm thinking.

01:04:49.880 I like her.

01:04:51.320 I mean, you had your facts.

01:04:52.940 And that's, sadly, she did not.

01:04:54.800 And was kind of all over the board.

01:04:56.160 You know, when you hit her with a fact, she was like, well, this is just how I feel.

01:04:58.700 Well, I just don't want it, which isn't an argument.

01:05:00.760 But I think it's to her benefit to be shorn up, right, to be pressed on her points

01:05:05.460 so she can either shore them up or abandon them, which she should, because you had her.

01:05:09.520 But it's pretty fearless of you to just go right into the belly of the beast with people

01:05:13.160 who, I mean, you're not that old yourself.

01:05:15.520 Like you should, by all rights and purposes, you should be feeling like they feel, right?

01:05:19.440 Because you're a kid.

01:05:20.080 You're so young.

01:05:21.100 But you're their age.

01:05:21.980 And I think they listen to you.

01:05:23.840 And you just are there armed with your fact, fact, fact, fact, fact.

01:05:26.520 Has it ever, has it ever changed your mind?

01:05:29.340 Changed my mind?

01:05:30.200 No, I've changed a lot.

01:05:31.080 And I've changed a lot of other people's minds.

01:05:33.580 I should, I should.

01:05:34.260 Hers included.

01:05:35.680 Yeah, you know, it happens quite a bit.

01:05:37.360 We had one woman or young lady who was pro-abortion and told me that she had had an abortion,

01:05:44.800 why she thought it was right.

01:05:45.900 She talked about why she didn't think it was wrong.

01:05:47.380 And then later she talked about how she was a Christian.

01:05:50.660 She believed in God.

01:05:51.700 And I ended up with saying, and listen, I understand why you feel that way and how difficult it

01:05:55.580 must have been.

01:05:57.020 But I also will tell you with confidence that you're going to see your baby's face in heaven

01:06:01.020 one day.

01:06:02.120 She came back on the show a week later and said that she entirely changed her opinion

01:06:05.920 and she's become a pro-life activist.

01:06:08.280 These conversations, we've also done them on the street.

01:06:10.600 We've also had professors come up.

01:06:12.120 Just recently when we did the one about Charlottesville, the very fine people, there was a professor

01:06:16.620 from Brookhaven, a professor of political science who actually didn't know Donald Trump's

01:06:20.840 tax policy.

01:06:21.540 So the whole idea of Change My Mind is it's not a debate.

01:06:24.660 You know, I've had Naomi Wolf on the show and we've had some pretty big name leftist

01:06:28.880 intellectuals.

01:06:29.580 So it becomes harder and harder to get them to actually come on the show for a debate.

01:06:33.520 And I'm very clear, like, hey, listen, I have an opposing point of view.

01:06:37.880 Change My Mind really was sort of spawned in, I hate to say this, but the anti-Fox news where

01:06:43.800 my friend and I were sitting going, you know what, we were just talking about politics.

01:06:46.840 And I said, why can't this be there?

01:06:48.340 Why can't this be on air?

01:06:49.480 Oh, because you have commercial breaks and people have to get in, they have to score

01:06:52.400 points, right?

01:06:53.120 And they try and hit a gotcha.

01:06:54.340 And then we go to, we go to, you know, a reverse mortgage with Tom Selleck.

01:06:57.640 It's not his first rodeo.

01:06:58.740 And I just said, what if we just let people talk?

01:07:01.360 And there's also, these are also very different conversations when you're having people who

01:07:05.920 aren't political pundits, uh, rationalize their position.

01:07:10.100 These are not people who are coming in to make sure that they don't lose so that they still

01:07:14.460 have a contributorship status, or they still have some kind of senior fellow status at a think

01:07:19.020 tank.

01:07:19.740 So a criticism that I have heard people say is, well, why do you go to college campuses?

01:07:23.340 Well, half of them have not been on college campuses.

01:07:25.500 They've been randomly in the street.

01:07:26.920 We've done them with professors.

01:07:27.940 And that's very different from the actual formal debates we've hosted on our show.

01:07:33.200 Um, and I would love to do more, uh, debates actually.

01:07:35.720 We've tried to do a change my mind professor edition or host formal debates on college campuses

01:07:39.800 and no professors will do it.

01:07:41.680 No professors will do it.

01:07:43.300 Yeah.

01:07:43.500 They won't do it.

01:07:43.960 Come on.

01:07:45.120 No.

01:07:45.460 Yeah.

01:07:45.580 We've said, no, obviously I'm not going to debate a professor who's, for example, like

01:07:49.360 a geologist on, uh, I'll go in and go, I don't know, sedimentary igneous.

01:07:54.260 No, but social studies professor or a political science professor where we would like to do

01:08:00.020 it.

01:08:00.240 And yeah, we haven't had any.

01:08:01.160 Gender studies.

01:08:02.200 That'd be fun.

01:08:02.620 Gender studies.

01:08:03.600 Send anyone you want.

01:08:04.920 Just don't send anybody you want back.

01:08:06.500 That's what I'll, I will do it with no tomorrow on the stage because I think his ideas are

01:08:10.760 silly and I wouldn't expect to, to, to score points or win, but change my mind is very

01:08:16.080 different.

01:08:16.880 It is more so designed to be a tool for people in the real world, uh, to be able to have

01:08:22.460 these conversations with people at a dinner table, at a park, maybe at a business function.

01:08:26.760 And sometimes, you know, they don't always go well, they get heated.

01:08:28.880 We have people come in and they, you know, whip stuff at us or they break the table, but

01:08:33.080 for the most part, they're, they're, they're, they're pretty productive.

01:08:35.600 And so I hope people recognize that it's by design that it's different.

01:08:39.160 And, uh, but how do you get over the, I don't know, I don't know how to put this, but sort

01:08:44.460 of the instinct to claim offense, to claim that they've been victimized by you.

01:08:50.440 You know, when you go to these third rail places, it's, it is whether intended to be

01:08:54.820 or not, it is provocative.

01:08:55.820 And I, I know you got some of that blowback when you did, um, there, there's no such thing

01:09:00.540 as rape culture and, and some of the women, and even some of the guys who came over were

01:09:04.500 like, this is, this is bull.

01:09:06.460 I know people have been raped or a woman said I have been raped and I don't, and I have several

01:09:10.900 friends who have been in those moments.

01:09:13.420 Are you feeling like I'm uncomfortable or what is that?

01:09:16.720 How does that feel?

01:09:18.320 No, no.

01:09:19.040 You know why?

01:09:19.400 Cause, um, I'm not in the business of ascribing intent.

01:09:22.760 So I take their arguments at face value.

01:09:24.800 And I will tell you though, from, from my point of view comes from a place of empathy.

01:09:29.240 And when someone says I've been raped, I'll say, oh my gosh, I can't, that's, that's horrible.

01:09:33.600 I that's, that's horrible.

01:09:34.420 I can't believe that happened to you.

01:09:35.660 And I want to talk with them and I want to console them, but that doesn't mean that we

01:09:38.480 have a rape culture here in the United States.

01:09:40.140 And so that's where it comes from.

01:09:41.160 I don't feel guilty if I'm not going out there to insult people.

01:09:44.200 When I say rape culture in the United States is a myth, I mean, rape culture is a myth.

01:09:49.540 And if you think I'm wrong, you are free to change my mind.

01:09:51.960 When I say that Donald Trump is the best president of the modern American era, I mean it.

01:09:56.880 When I say that, uh, Donald Trump isn't racist, or when I say, uh, um, uh, I can't, uh, the

01:10:02.840 second, I'm pro, one of them is just, I'm pro second amendment or I'm pro life.

01:10:06.340 I mean it.

01:10:07.520 And it's not, it's not me going out there to try and just piss you off.

01:10:11.600 Um, you, you're welcome to change my mind.

01:10:14.080 And, and the idea is it forces, we don't learn the Socratic method.

01:10:17.940 Oh no.

01:10:18.420 Now that's considered insensitive.

01:10:19.880 They're actually objecting to that in some universities.

01:10:22.100 Now that's what we used in law school.

01:10:23.420 I mean, they walk you down the path of your own logic until you slam, you know, head

01:10:28.260 first into the brick wall of logic and realize you've failed.

01:10:30.860 And then like a mouse in a, in a maze, you have to back up and try another lane.

01:10:34.700 And then finally at the end, you get the cheese if you're smart enough to figure it out.

01:10:37.640 But that's how you learn logical reasoning.

01:10:39.740 It's insane to me that they're trying to get rid of the Socratic method because the

01:10:42.320 snowflakes makes them feel bad when they hit the wall.

01:10:44.900 Well, try harder.

01:10:47.960 I know we'll upload one.

01:10:49.840 Um, just, you know, I did this video where I was asking people about the Charlottesville fine

01:10:53.140 people on both sides and none of them had heard that Donald Trump condemned neo-Nazis

01:10:56.720 and white supremacists.

01:10:57.520 When I showed them that clip, they said, well, it still doesn't change my mind, but there

01:11:00.380 was a professor there who was waiting on us interviewing people on the street.

01:11:03.100 And this is getting harder to do, Megan, probably like you've experienced this because people

01:11:06.740 recognize me, you know, I don't quite have the financial cushion that you do or the ability

01:11:11.320 to have security.

01:11:12.000 Like, what am I going to do?

01:11:12.560 Hide behind my basketball hoop and my above ground pool.

01:11:15.140 But I go out there, I have a bulletproof vest a lot of the time and I'm recognized a lot.

01:11:19.040 So it's hard for me to do this.

01:11:20.380 Uh, but there was a professor who was waiting.

01:11:22.360 So he'd watch me interview other people.

01:11:24.300 And I think it was, uh, my audio guy here, audio, was it Brookhaven?

01:11:27.420 Something like that.

01:11:27.940 Some school.

01:11:28.560 It was, it was a community college in Texas, a well-regarded community college.

01:11:32.240 And he was a professor of politics.

01:11:33.340 So he'd been waiting, watching me interview other people.

01:11:35.920 And I really didn't want to interview him because I wasn't looking to get into an argument.

01:11:39.420 I was looking to see if people had actually, uh, heard the entire context of the Donald

01:11:43.720 Trump clip.

01:11:44.420 And I said, okay, come on up professor of politics.

01:11:46.700 And he said, I think that Donald Trump is bad, uh, and everything that he's done.

01:11:49.840 And I said, really, what bothers you most about Donald Trump?

01:11:52.220 This is a professor in politics.

01:11:53.540 He goes, well, he, uh, you know, he hasn't really helped the Kurds there in Turkey.

01:11:56.640 I said, oh, okay.

01:11:58.040 So what would you like him to do?

01:11:58.760 Well, he needs to support them more.

01:12:00.480 I said, okay, I understand that.

01:12:01.600 That's a valid position to hold.

01:12:02.500 So were you, um, I guess you were supportive of George W. Bush in Iraq.

01:12:06.020 No, he's a professor of politics.

01:12:08.280 Now I said, wasn't there something about like biochemical gassing or the Kurds and Saddam Hussein?

01:12:12.820 He goes, yeah, but I wouldn't, you know, that we shouldn't have been there to destabilize it.

01:12:15.500 I said, okay, so you were against doing anything there and helping the Kurds, but today you think

01:12:20.220 that we should?

01:12:21.200 He said, yeah.

01:12:21.560 I said, okay, well, listen, that's a position you can hold.

01:12:23.300 I don't know that I necessarily agree with you.

01:12:25.200 Then I said, what about, uh, tax policy?

01:12:27.240 He didn't know about tax policy.

01:12:28.640 Again, this is a guy who's a professor of politics.

01:12:30.520 He said, you know, I don't think he's done a damn thing for the middle class.

01:12:32.860 I said, what about the fact that the average household wage has gone up?

01:12:35.940 Lowest number that you'll hear cited, 4,000 up to $5,000 in the three and a half years.

01:12:40.880 He goes, well, I didn't know that.

01:12:42.100 I said that the average American pays $1,600 to $1,800 less in taxes.

01:12:45.980 He goes, well, I didn't know that.

01:12:46.860 And I said, okay, let's assume that what I'm telling you right now is 3.5% unemployment,

01:12:50.980 lowest unemployment of black Americans ever.

01:12:52.780 I said, let's assume that everything right now I'm telling you is true, that I'm not lying.

01:12:57.840 What would you say to that?

01:12:58.740 He goes, well, well, those would be some good points.

01:13:02.440 And I don't know what happened when he went home.

01:13:04.560 And I don't know how he moderates debates in his political science class with his students,

01:13:08.720 but that's scary.

01:13:10.680 And these are the people who are teaching our kids.

01:13:13.000 And I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

01:13:17.480 This comes from a place of fear.

01:13:18.940 I over-prepare always because I assume I'm going to be caught flat-footed.

01:13:23.940 I assume that the next guy knows more than I do.

01:13:26.120 It's like thinking of an argument as a tree.

01:13:28.940 You have this trunk.

01:13:29.780 And this is a basic argument.

01:13:30.980 And that's where we're like, well, not my president.

01:13:32.740 That's where people have me.

01:13:33.580 Okay, let's break off from that.

01:13:35.000 And let's see the potential counter-arguments.

01:13:37.020 And how is there a way that I can maybe lead somebody down this branch?

01:13:40.880 And then you realize that there are professors in this country who are just a stump.

01:13:45.980 Well, and lawmakers, too.

01:13:47.800 That's one of the scarier things, I think.

01:13:49.300 I mean, it's bad enough to have them in academia.

01:13:50.900 But I think for a long time, people revered U.S. senator.

01:13:54.100 You know, you got to have your stuff together to be a U.S. senator.

01:13:56.260 And then you find out, oh, my God, so wrong, so wrong.

01:13:58.660 And now, having spent all these years in news, having met so many lawmakers, some are great.

01:14:02.780 Some are dumb as a rock, box of rocks, the boxies everywhere, congressional boxy.

01:14:09.720 And it scares me.

01:14:11.380 And it really, it's what really got me thinking several years ago about how these guys are

01:14:15.060 not the answer.

01:14:15.900 They are not the path forward.

01:14:18.180 Every once in a while, you get somebody who's really smart, or at least a deep thinker,

01:14:21.660 somebody who really wants to problem solve.

01:14:23.340 Like Rand Paul is somebody who I think is smart and really thinks about issues and tries to

01:14:27.940 come up with innovative solutions.

01:14:29.360 He may or may not be your cup of tea, but you can't say he's not a thinker.

01:14:31.980 So this is a good example.

01:14:33.040 I make fun of Rand Paul a lot, but he's been on the show a lot.

01:14:35.740 So in the election, the 2016, the primaries, I just called him toilet brush head because

01:14:40.620 I find his head looks like a toilet brush, you know, those white toilet brushes.

01:14:43.460 And he came back?

01:14:45.200 It's a recurring relationship?

01:14:46.820 All the time.

01:14:47.420 I just try and be straightforward with it.

01:14:48.900 You know, I sent him with Ted Cruz.

01:14:49.940 I made fun of Ted Cruz.

01:14:50.880 John Kasich probably will never be on the show.

01:14:52.460 I've been brutal with him.

01:14:53.540 But no, I appreciate Rand Paul.

01:14:56.140 I agree with you.

01:14:57.000 I think he's one of the good ones.

01:14:58.080 I think he's a guy who can't be bought or sold.

01:14:59.900 And we don't have to do it to an hour.

01:15:02.520 This is we're having a good time here.

01:15:04.000 And I know I've been interrupting you.

01:15:05.040 I apologize with my mansplaining, but I'm always interested as you.

01:15:09.120 Hey, can I ask you a question?

01:15:10.140 Because I don't I don't want to let you go.

01:15:11.400 Yeah, go ahead.

01:15:12.460 OK, I'm trying to think.

01:15:14.900 And you're the lawyer.

01:15:16.140 So you tell me if you get into legal hot water.

01:15:17.700 Do you remember at Fox News?

01:15:18.960 So particularly it was Fox and Friends in the Morning.

01:15:21.760 There was.

01:15:23.640 An Israeli war gay wardrobe guy.

01:15:28.480 Do you know what I'm talking about?

01:15:29.900 Do not.

01:15:30.580 I only knew one wardrobe woman.

01:15:31.820 Her name was Gwen Marder.

01:15:32.760 And she ran the whole show, like the whole wardrobe department.

01:15:36.520 OK, well, then never mind.

01:15:37.520 Never mind.

01:15:37.860 I was going to say I was sexually harassed.

01:15:39.140 I didn't mind it.

01:15:39.920 What?

01:15:40.340 What happened?

01:15:41.440 I said, don't grab my ass anymore.

01:15:43.040 That was it.

01:15:44.220 But I just wondered if you knew it.

01:15:45.620 But I was saying like it happened like guys get sexually harassed, too.

01:15:48.100 It happens all the time.

01:15:48.920 But of course they do.

01:15:50.580 He kind of looks like the lead singer from Simple Plan.

01:15:53.020 He was a nice guy, though, too.

01:15:54.000 I actually was flattered.

01:15:54.740 And we actually we talked about the IDF and Krav Maga and stuff.

01:15:57.780 But he actually grabbed your ass.

01:16:00.000 Yeah.

01:16:01.160 Like got a good handful.

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:03.600 Well, listen, if anyone's seen my ass, it's not hard to grab a handful.

01:16:06.400 I have a huge ass.

01:16:07.800 It's ridiculous.

01:16:08.700 It's like I constantly look like a like a catcher in the ready position.

01:16:13.120 Only that's me standing up.

01:16:15.240 And people are paying big money for that these days.

01:16:17.440 You should be honored.

01:16:18.340 You should be proud.

01:16:20.040 No, I'm not proud of it.

01:16:21.640 But I find it disgusting when women are actually just working their ass at the gym.

01:16:25.580 I just like now they've created these isolation machines so that people can just have disproportionately

01:16:30.280 large butts.

01:16:32.340 And that's silly.

01:16:33.960 Mine develops naturally.

01:16:36.020 Well, let me tell you something.

01:16:37.120 If you if you want to work on that, let me tell you, I went to see my dermatologist.

01:16:40.080 I get like the full body mole check once a year, you know, and they take pictures of

01:16:43.440 all the moles on your body because I'm Irish.

01:16:44.880 So, you know, I don't I have moly skin.

01:16:47.140 And the dermatologist actually said to me because he's one of those cosmetic dermatologists

01:16:51.820 so he can do everything.

01:16:52.420 He actually said to me, you know, we have this machine that we can connect to your butt

01:16:58.260 and it like vigorously moves your butt cheeks and it makes them hard.

01:17:04.100 It's like it gives it's like the equivalent of like a month long of like butt squeezes and

01:17:09.480 butt lifts.

01:17:10.380 Without doing any of the exercise, you can put them on your abs.

01:17:12.540 You can put them on your butt.

01:17:13.400 I'm like, what are you trying to say, Doc?

01:17:15.920 Could you just take a picture of the mole?

01:17:17.580 I'm like, let's move along.

01:17:19.360 Did he say the thing about this machine is it's my hands?

01:17:25.740 I would imagine that wouldn't surprise me if he did that.

01:17:27.980 That just sounds like the old the old fitness belt.

01:17:30.180 Remember, they used to do like you'd stand like that.

01:17:32.660 I saw it.

01:17:33.440 I have to tell you, it's tempting.

01:17:34.860 I just a funny epilogue of that story.

01:17:36.240 After they take the pictures of the moles, they make like a photo album for you of all

01:17:41.060 your moles so that you can keep an eye on them year to year.

01:17:43.600 And I'm like, OK, I guess this is what I have to do.

01:17:45.720 Just make sure I don't get skin cancer.

01:17:46.940 So what I didn't remember is that, again, my assistant, Abby, she opens all my mail.

01:17:53.960 So it was I think I harassed her.

01:17:56.160 I think I sent her naked pictures of myself.

01:17:58.140 I was basically sexted.

01:18:00.740 There's a place in Dallas called Cooper Clinic.

01:18:02.720 The guy actually, I think, invented, I guess, the term aerobic exercise.

01:18:06.720 And I do a full body skin.

01:18:08.480 My dad had skin cancer.

01:18:09.620 And that was actually the only the closest I came to, like, crying on air because I found

01:18:15.020 out right before going on air.

01:18:17.420 My father had melanoma on his temple, which is a really, really bad place to get it.

01:18:23.460 And I remember I got called and I had walked out of the studio and we were starting really

01:18:26.560 soon.

01:18:27.260 And he said, hey, can you grab a couple of minutes?

01:18:30.040 And my mom and him on the phone, he said, just so you know, I have skin cancer and it's

01:18:34.720 OK, I'm going to go in to get it removed.

01:18:36.680 And so then I thought, oh, OK, it's not a big deal.

01:18:38.880 And then he sent a follow up text.

01:18:40.920 It was melanoma and it was on his temple and it had already spread.

01:18:45.060 And I was right about before we go to live and I just started.

01:18:47.060 I cried like a little bitch.

01:18:48.480 And then I kind of, you know, OK, pick it up and do the show.

01:18:52.340 And what we did was we did the cancer joke off where I joked about when we referred to

01:18:58.120 my father as Kim Jong Un for about two years because they, you know, where they cut the

01:19:02.000 scar and they cut off his his cancerous mole.

01:19:04.660 He didn't have any hair growing there.

01:19:06.040 And we had my dad select his favorite joke about cancer.

01:19:09.600 So when people tell me that something's off limits, it's like, listen, I don't think

01:19:12.460 cancer is funny.

01:19:13.660 This is the way that we process and deal with this.

01:19:16.040 Also, if we were still in Canada, my dad would probably be dead.

01:19:19.120 They spotted it.

01:19:20.380 And the only reason he wasn't in within 12 hours to get it removed was because it was

01:19:26.220 I think it was a Saturday and then Sunday they weren't performing the procedures.

01:19:30.000 I've had people with stage four lung cancer relatives.

01:19:32.940 An aunt, actually, I've had several relatives who had serious cancer, but I had an aunt that

01:19:37.100 it took her several months to get diagnosed with stage four lung cancer in Canada.

01:19:40.580 This is within the last five years, mind you.

01:19:42.200 And then it took her another six weeks to see a doctor to find out what the treatment

01:19:45.740 would be for her stage four lung cancer, which spread.

01:19:48.440 So when people talk about socialized health care in Canada, I go, well, listen, if you're

01:19:52.640 if you're if your barometer there is free.

01:19:54.400 OK, but if it's about living.

01:19:56.360 Well, I have a dad who's still alive because of American health care.

01:19:59.760 Do you want to hear what his favorite joke was?

01:20:01.000 His skin cancer, I'm not sure I do.

01:20:03.460 But yes, go ahead.

01:20:04.880 This is what my dad was crowdsourced and it was a doctor call.

01:20:08.180 So it's this is an old man joke.

01:20:09.540 And by the way, people have not played.

01:20:10.660 This isn't my joke.

01:20:11.460 It's my dad selected this guy goes into the doctor and the doctor says, I have some really

01:20:17.300 bad news for you.

01:20:18.620 OK, hit me with it, doc.

01:20:20.000 Says, OK, well, you have cancer.

01:20:22.600 First off, oh, boy, says, and you have Alzheimer's.

01:20:26.040 And the guy pauses intensity and he thinks for a second, he goes, well, I guess it could

01:20:32.540 be worse.

01:20:32.960 At least I don't have cancer.

01:20:37.160 My dad picked that right after surgery.

01:20:39.780 That's how I deal with tragedy in the family.

01:20:42.500 So if people want to judge, don't tell me what's off limits.

01:20:45.480 We call it because he had cancer in his temple.

01:20:50.040 I believe in the use of humor to get yourself through tough times.

01:20:53.020 And I hate the crackdown.

01:20:54.000 One of the things that's so awful about cancel culture is it's crackdown on comedy.

01:20:57.560 By the way, before we move off of socialized medicine and how it can be really dangerous,

01:21:00.640 I hope you're listening, Canadian Debbie.

01:21:02.180 We don't have those problems here in the United States, Canadian Debbie.

01:21:04.380 I would get you great health care if you just move here to make sure your whole family

01:21:08.460 were covered.

01:21:09.180 OK, but anyway, I can't stand it.

01:21:11.680 You go to like the comedy cellar here in New York and it's like I try to think of the

01:21:15.180 cleaned up version of these guys routines.

01:21:17.160 And I I want to cry in my soup.

01:21:19.640 It's like I don't get how we've gotten to this place where everything has to be offensive.

01:21:26.000 You can't joke about it.

01:21:27.300 You can't make it as a comedian anymore.

01:21:29.000 And even the ones who are paid to to entertain us on late night television, they don't even

01:21:34.620 want to try to make us laugh.

01:21:35.720 They just want to go political.

01:21:36.800 I mean, all they want to do is sort of, you know, politics in our face.

01:21:38.940 I just feel like what we're doing to each other is insane.

01:21:42.520 The people who are supposed to be funny are lecturing us.

01:21:45.180 And the people who are supposed to be laughing are lecturing us.

01:21:48.680 And the normal people are sitting there saying, am I the crazy one?

01:21:52.440 Maybe maybe I am just offensive in everything I do.

01:21:55.980 No, I don't think that you're the crazy one.

01:21:57.800 And, you know, there's a difference between being vulgar.

01:21:59.560 So you can find vulgarity everywhere.

01:22:01.280 You know, you can have Stephen Colbert calling our president president's mouth Putin's cock

01:22:05.760 holster.

01:22:06.340 Right.

01:22:06.560 But where is he making any jokes about Joe Biden?

01:22:10.280 For example, going back to Justin Trudeau, we did a silly little sketch.

01:22:14.080 People got really mad where I was as Justin Trudeau.

01:22:16.920 And by the way, my Justin Trudeau costume, it's literally just a giant vagina costume.

01:22:21.060 That's all it is.

01:22:21.620 That's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is a suit and then a vagina costume with a Canadian flag

01:22:24.780 pin.

01:22:25.000 It's an ongoing character.

01:22:25.520 On behalf of all vaginas, I object.

01:22:28.360 Yes.

01:22:28.780 Well, listen, I would object as well.

01:22:30.500 I wouldn't want to count him amongst them.

01:22:32.520 But there it is.

01:22:33.500 I didn't have an act.

01:22:34.260 How else do you portray Justin Trudeau?

01:22:35.640 It's a basic white guy.

01:22:36.620 So we're like, well, people and I'll see a big, you know, so we did this fake sketch

01:22:40.220 where I was doing a makeup tutorial.

01:22:42.040 You know, you see these things on YouTube all the time, but it was Justin Trudeau and

01:22:46.200 he was applying activated charcoal to his face.

01:22:49.380 And so by the end of it, the makeup tutorial is him inadvertently going in full blackface

01:22:54.340 and people were offended at that.

01:22:55.980 Now, listen, there's nothing vulgar about that.

01:22:58.240 And by the way, this is a guy who did blackface like 29 times.

01:23:02.760 OK, so that is more offensive.

01:23:05.440 Cock holster is not.

01:23:06.420 Amy Shimmer, I'm so drunk and I go, dog, you sell.

01:23:09.160 That's not offensive.

01:23:10.520 But the stuff that but painting Muhammad as Bob Ross in something that should be rated

01:23:14.260 G is more offensive.

01:23:15.780 And that's why I say it's not dirty.

01:23:17.460 Dirty is not risky.

01:23:19.020 Dirty is not a new frontier.

01:23:20.860 There are third rails.

01:23:21.880 And that's what what bothers me.

01:23:23.780 The third rails are opinions that you are not allowed to express.

01:23:27.260 And so people are often surprised where they go, I can't let my kid watch your show.

01:23:30.080 Really?

01:23:30.380 Why not?

01:23:31.820 Well, you know, you do some stuff like a what was it?

01:23:33.520 The activated charcoal, the blackface.

01:23:35.580 They go, oh, that's a rough one.

01:23:36.520 I go, your kid can see that.

01:23:37.660 The Bob Ross, Muhammad.

01:23:39.000 Now, there are some things that kids shouldn't see.

01:23:40.540 But the truth is, it's actually more family friendly, but it offends far more people.

01:23:44.960 Amy Schumer didn't have NBC, Universal, Vox try to get them erased from the biggest online

01:23:50.860 platform in American history.

01:23:52.580 That didn't happen with Stephen Colbert because they're trying to, they're pretenders.

01:23:57.500 They're pretending as though they're being edgy.

01:23:59.680 And really what they're just doing is they're looking for their audience of trained seals

01:24:03.440 to clap for what's funny.

01:24:05.140 When we go and we do a show, until this year, we do the Halloween Spooktacular.

01:24:08.620 We do two live shows a year, right?

01:24:10.160 And often they'll want me to go and speak at a podium and we'll have a writer and they'll

01:24:14.960 be like, what a smoke machine?

01:24:16.300 What do you need this for?

01:24:17.100 And a laser light show because it's an actual, like it's, it's a, it's a comedy show and

01:24:21.120 it's almost a rock show.

01:24:22.000 We have like music.

01:24:22.680 We really try and make it fun, have a party on campus.

01:24:25.180 Um, but we don't have someone with an applause sign.

01:24:28.540 And so when people watch it live stream, you can hear what jokes land and what jokes don't.

01:24:33.700 And that's how we know it's funny.

01:24:35.360 And by the way, there are people there from every, every ethnicity you can imagine, every

01:24:39.460 walk of life, uh, every age group.

01:24:41.880 And it's, it's a facade.

01:24:43.520 I think that the old way of, of doing, uh, this kind of programming is dead.

01:24:48.580 And I grew up on David Letterman.

01:24:51.020 Uh, I recently spoke with someone at Bloomberg because I was trying to promote the event

01:24:55.180 in Michigan.

01:24:55.620 That's the only time I've ever done press.

01:24:57.320 And, um, he wrote in the article that like a shock, shock, like Rush Limbaugh.

01:25:01.040 I specifically told him, I said, I didn't grow up with Rush Limbaugh because we didn't

01:25:04.500 have him in Canada.

01:25:05.320 I said, I grew up idolizing people like David Letterman.

01:25:08.420 And so I always described my show to people, uh, everyone, everyone at Fox News and I was

01:25:12.740 there like, Oh, we need a conservative daily show.

01:25:14.320 We need a conservative daily show.

01:25:15.180 I said, no, no, no, we don't.

01:25:15.980 We just need any show that's actually entertaining from someone who happens to be conservative.

01:25:19.520 My show would be most comparable to David Letterman meets like mid-era Howard Stern meets John

01:25:25.920 Stossel.

01:25:26.560 That's how I would describe it.

01:25:28.060 I like that.

01:25:28.980 Those people who have grown up.

01:25:30.340 I love John Stossel.

01:25:31.600 He's Stossel is one of, he's one of my favorites.

01:25:33.700 I'll give you, so we know him and his wife pretty well and they live near, not far from

01:25:37.800 us in New York.

01:25:38.420 And, um, I'll, I'll tell you one funny story about Stossel.

01:25:41.900 He, after the birth of one of my kids, he came by my desk and gave my assistant again,

01:25:47.320 Abby, uh, all these bottles and like pacifiers and stuff.

01:25:50.000 I'm like, Oh, that's nice.

01:25:50.820 You know, I came out.

01:25:51.580 I'm like, what's this?

01:25:51.980 She goes, Oh, it's from Stossel.

01:25:53.000 I'm like, Oh, that's sweet.

01:25:53.880 So I see him later.

01:25:54.640 I'm like, Hey, thanks for all the baby stuff.

01:25:56.720 And he's like, Oh yeah, you're welcome.

01:25:58.340 He's like, it was a, it's a bunch of stuff they say causes cancer, but we, we don't think

01:26:02.440 it does.

01:26:02.860 We did a segment and, you know, take care for God's sake.

01:26:07.540 He said, it's like you were a child.

01:26:08.900 Like it's a bunch of toys that some people say cause cancer.

01:26:13.720 Even with that, I'm going to hand you this gift bag.

01:26:17.480 He, um, and he wasn't even going to tell me, he wasn't even going to tell me or tell

01:26:21.100 Abby.

01:26:21.420 Abby didn't know.

01:26:22.260 I was like, I was going to give it to all my kids.

01:26:23.960 Like, you know, completely unknowingly.

01:26:26.340 I love the guy.

01:26:27.060 Great.

01:26:27.700 California 45 warning that was on there.

01:26:30.120 The, on the, uh, the little sticker.

01:26:31.360 We just recently asked him to be on the show a few times.

01:26:33.940 And you know what?

01:26:34.200 We got an answer.

01:26:35.000 I think it was for the election stream.

01:26:36.600 No, that was it.

01:26:38.440 So him.

01:26:40.160 Oh, can I tell you?

01:26:41.360 All right.

01:26:41.520 So that reminds me another thing.

01:26:42.720 You'll go over to their house for dinner.

01:26:44.160 His wife is a brilliant New York city psychiatrist.

01:26:46.440 She's very successful.

01:26:47.340 And the two of them together, like a comedy routine, because she's very open and honest

01:26:51.380 about his behavior.

01:26:52.940 And he's like constantly like kind of offended.

01:26:56.480 And, um, we'll be sitting at their house for dinner.

01:26:58.920 And you know how, like when somebody comes over for dinner and you're kind of

01:27:01.340 ready for the dinner to end and you kind of try to wind it up politely, not Stossel.

01:27:06.560 You'll be in the middle of the dinner and he'll say, I'm going upstairs and I'm going

01:27:11.920 to bed now because I'm tired.

01:27:13.780 Thank you for being here.

01:27:15.280 That's it.

01:27:15.780 He's gone.

01:27:16.720 And now my husband, Doug, and I call it the Stossel.

01:27:19.260 Like we got Stossel.

01:27:20.560 Oh my God.

01:27:20.980 Like the night's over before you had, you had no warning.

01:27:23.360 But can I tell you now?

01:27:24.140 I love it.

01:27:24.980 It's amazing.

01:27:25.840 You can just be totally honest.

01:27:27.000 Like I'll do it in a different way.

01:27:28.760 I won't really kick people out of the house, but I'll say somebody like, Oh, really missed

01:27:32.180 you at the book club.

01:27:32.880 And I'll say, I, I, you know, I would have been there, but I didn't want to.

01:27:36.740 It's very liberating.

01:27:38.540 Oh, it absolutely is.

01:27:39.760 Yeah.

01:27:39.920 And that's what's most, most things, most of the time I'd rather just either be home

01:27:43.020 with my wife or alone.

01:27:44.960 That's it.

01:27:45.540 When people, people like if I had, this is what people understand when I was sitting on

01:27:48.960 the, on our porch, like a small cottage on the lake in Michigan where we go in the summer

01:27:53.760 and I was having a cigar and I was reading the book.

01:27:55.060 I said, if I were a, the world's first trillionaire, this is what I'd be doing.

01:28:00.260 And I think that's also what's, what's sort of put me in this position where there's, there's

01:28:04.840 really nothing anyone can, first off, people don't have anything on me.

01:28:07.660 Like the whole me too thing.

01:28:08.620 Nope.

01:28:09.180 Never.

01:28:09.680 I'll tell you right now, never sexually harassed anyone in my life.

01:28:12.520 Never had any kind of extramarital affair.

01:28:14.280 Period.

01:28:14.780 Doesn't exist.

01:28:15.500 People, if you find nude pictures, probably me when I was on the road, my wife and I like

01:28:18.860 to have a good time.

01:28:19.780 No one has any dirt on me.

01:28:20.980 There's nothing that anyone can offer me that I'll say, Oh, they don't need that.

01:28:25.620 They don't need that.

01:28:26.320 They come after you for your segments on the air, right?

01:28:28.300 That was when you got defunded.

01:28:30.620 We know about this in media as ad mageddon when YouTube slapped your hand and took away

01:28:35.540 your ability to make money off of your YouTube show, uh, by de monetizing your show.

01:28:40.580 Basically they said, all right, you can stay on YouTube.

01:28:42.220 You've gotten in trouble.

01:28:43.080 You can stay on YouTube, but you can't have ads to support you, to support the show.

01:28:47.500 And that was in response to, just so the viewers understand the listeners, um, you had a fight

01:28:52.220 with this guy, Carlos Maza of Vox where he said he felt harassed because you had called

01:28:56.520 him some derogatory words for gays.

01:28:59.660 And YouTube at first said, we don't see anything problematic.

01:29:03.020 And then they bowed, but he had been, he had been given it to you.

01:29:06.380 Had he not?

01:29:08.020 Yeah.

01:29:08.180 Well, don't forget Mexican.

01:29:09.420 They listed Mexican as a pejorative.

01:29:12.040 That was something that was listed actually articles like, and he referred to him as that

01:29:16.040 quote, gay Mexican.

01:29:18.500 Okay.

01:29:19.340 So keep in mind, no, it wasn't just this guy who you're mentioning, Carlos Maza, he happened

01:29:24.260 to host some Vox shows, uh, but we've criticized Vox, right?

01:29:28.260 And again, we're picking, we're picking a fight with someone far bigger than us, Vox, NBC

01:29:33.060 universal.

01:29:33.520 That's one of the biggest media conglomerates in the world.

01:29:35.320 And we would criticize their videos in some of them.

01:29:38.260 He happened to be the one delivering it.

01:29:40.140 And so there were a series of videos criticizing Vox.

01:29:42.780 A lot of them involved him because it kind of made him their go-to for a while.

01:29:45.840 And a lot of them not.

01:29:47.160 And also we made the same exact kinds of videos criticizing Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah, Stephen

01:29:51.700 Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel.

01:29:52.680 Uh, so it's not like it was unique and people say, Oh, there's some ad hominem.

01:29:56.140 Sure.

01:29:57.280 Sure.

01:29:58.160 Yeah.

01:29:58.500 But it wasn't targeted harassing and, and, and bullying.

01:30:00.920 Uh, and so even YouTube, what happened there was even YouTube had to say, Susan Wojcicki,

01:30:05.760 the CEO, and this has never happened before said, well, we looked at the content.

01:30:10.740 And the reason why is because when you look at a 15 minute video, and if I happen to in

01:30:14.400 an, you know, toss in an aside where I make fun of the presenter, which is what I do.

01:30:18.480 I mean, I think I've teased you and I've teased myself in this show, but that's not, that's

01:30:21.820 not the context of this show.

01:30:23.540 That's not the entirety of the content of this show.

01:30:25.740 YouTube had to say, these videos were clearly, uh, transformative where Stephen was criticizing

01:30:30.980 the ideas and presenting sources, you know, against Vox.

01:30:33.760 And so they said, we didn't violate any policies, uh, but they had to appease a social justice

01:30:38.460 leftist mob.

01:30:39.220 And so they just demonetized us, which was totally unprecedented.

01:30:42.380 And I'll tell you what, when that phone call happened, uh, when they called me, it was some

01:30:48.480 people at YouTube, I've never spoken with Susan Wojcicki, uh, but some people at YouTube

01:30:51.720 called, they were reading this prefab statement and it sounded like they were about to say, and

01:30:56.480 we're removing your channel.

01:30:57.980 And, uh, I, I thought I might be having a heart attack.

01:31:02.060 The room started spinning, um, because I had done, I had already spoken with YouTube for

01:31:05.820 a very long time, by the way, knew that I was well within the bounds, what was considered,

01:31:09.600 uh, allowable content on YouTube.

01:31:11.840 I've never tried to run afoul of that.

01:31:14.080 That's never been my goal.

01:31:15.200 I just want to know what the rules are.

01:31:16.860 And I thought, oh no, they're going to do this because of the mob.

01:31:21.180 And, uh, the room started spinning and I started getting a shortness of breath and I had

01:31:25.380 to lay back down the bed and they said, so this is why we're demonetizing you click.

01:31:29.660 And I went, oh, great.

01:31:32.420 And then I just, then I decided, uh, I came here to a meeting with everyone and everyone

01:31:36.100 was really scared of the studio and I employ like 15 people here.

01:31:38.520 We have a full scale production studio.

01:31:40.660 And, uh, I told them, Hey, listen, is this going to give, put a dent?

01:31:43.340 Sure.

01:31:43.960 But the bulk of our revenue comes from people who joined mug club, you know, it's our paying

01:31:47.500 subscription service.

01:31:48.940 After that, it would be sponsors.

01:31:49.880 And then down the list would be YouTube.

01:31:51.520 I said, so listen, I might take a haircut.

01:31:53.360 Fine.

01:31:53.580 You guys are fine.

01:31:54.280 No one is out the job.

01:31:55.740 Here's what we're going to do.

01:31:57.400 And I wrote that 16 minute apology video, uh, of which just included every offensive thing

01:32:03.000 that I've ever said.

01:32:03.840 And we actually wrote new ones and, um, we released it.

01:32:07.560 It was, I'm sorry for new offensive things.

01:32:10.960 Yeah.

01:32:11.400 To your apology.

01:32:12.520 Yes.

01:32:13.000 I think I said, uh, uh, like, I'm sorry for, and my producer who's a biracialist, I'm sorry

01:32:18.460 for, uh, telling quarter black that he was not black enough to be black, not white enough

01:32:24.060 to be white.

01:32:25.040 The pain that you suffer never truly being accepted in either culture is far worse than

01:32:29.740 any embarrassment.

01:32:30.520 Um, I could inflict upon you.

01:32:32.580 I'm sorry, Garrett to Harley Davidson rider.

01:32:35.400 And I just went and it was, if you people can find this, it's a 20 minute video of insulting

01:32:39.720 everybody.

01:32:41.200 And because I didn't go out and I don't hate Carlos Maza, you know what, he tried to start

01:32:45.420 a channel after that.

01:32:46.640 And, uh, everyone said, you gotta, you gotta do something.

01:32:49.140 I said, you know what?

01:32:49.660 Hey, the guy went on his own because he got fired.

01:32:51.500 And I said, I wish him well, you know, the guy's trying.

01:32:53.620 Yeah.

01:32:54.400 Yeah.

01:32:54.740 You're not against him.

01:32:55.580 I know.

01:32:56.060 Well, it's like, listen, sometimes you cause it.

01:32:58.380 I, I, the number of things that I have been called by, by various people, if I wanted to

01:33:02.740 have them all canceled, you know, I can't imagine there'd probably be at least 200 people I'd

01:33:07.940 have fired.

01:33:08.440 If I, if I had the power, I just don't have any interest in it.

01:33:11.800 It's not to say I like to be insulted or I like some of the names that have come my way.

01:33:15.740 But I mean, and I remember just even with Trump, when he was calling me a bimbo and all

01:33:18.720 this other stuff that was coming out of Breitbart that began with C and all this,

01:33:21.660 all those words and people say, you have to respond, you have to respond.

01:33:24.780 I'm like, I don't, I'm not going to respond.

01:33:26.460 I don't want to respond.

01:33:27.400 What other people think of me is none of my business and I'm not the thought police and

01:33:30.920 I'm not the word police.

01:33:31.920 And I am strong enough to ignore this and move on going on as, as my sister-in-law, Diane,

01:33:38.280 again, my, my spiritual guru.

01:33:40.060 Uh, she always asks, is this something I can completely ignore and go on leading my beautiful

01:33:45.680 life?

01:33:46.320 And honestly, when somebody calling you mean words, I can't think of a situation where the answer

01:33:50.340 to that would be anything other than, yes, I can.

01:33:53.160 Yes, I can ignore that too.

01:33:54.280 And I should.

01:33:56.000 Right now.

01:33:56.900 You know, I will say there's, there's a little bit of, uh, and, and, and before you jump on

01:34:00.840 me, a little bit of female privilege there and that there's something a little bit different

01:34:04.960 in being a husband.

01:34:06.280 So I'll tell you what, I genuinely don't get offended.

01:34:08.600 Okay.

01:34:08.800 I really don't.

01:34:09.460 I don't care.

01:34:09.820 People can say whatever they want.

01:34:10.780 People have come up to cuss me out.

01:34:12.040 People, I had a, a, a transgender autistic person in the Letterman jacket, throw a homeless

01:34:17.260 person's lunchbox at me and YouTube.

01:34:19.720 There's a lot in there.

01:34:20.600 There's a lot in there.

01:34:21.200 Yeah.

01:34:21.420 That actually happened.

01:34:22.380 That actually happened.

01:34:23.120 Can you say it again?

01:34:24.400 Transgender, homeless.

01:34:26.080 Transgender.

01:34:26.580 I believe autistic because they had a fidget spinnery, a transgender, uh, autistic black

01:34:31.920 person in a Letterman's jacket, steal a homeless person, a hobo's lunchbox and throw it at

01:34:38.180 me and YouTube demonetized the video because I laughed at this person.

01:34:43.020 I laughed at this person because this person goes, Oh, you know what?

01:34:45.940 You don't know what it's like to be a woman.

01:34:47.280 F you.

01:34:47.700 I just became a woman.

01:34:48.540 And I just, I laughed like it's, this is a man with a shaved head and a Letterman's

01:34:52.780 jacket and lipstick.

01:34:54.200 And he's throwing a homeless man's lunchbox at me.

01:34:56.740 And my laugh was considered hate speech anyway.

01:35:00.820 So in other words, I can just, I'll, I'll, if you want, uh, I think I need to get your

01:35:05.160 email.

01:35:05.440 I'll send you the video after this.

01:35:06.600 It's called when transgenders attack because I was literally attacked by this transgender

01:35:09.940 person.

01:35:10.440 This transgender person stole a homeless person, like a pencil case, but it had his, uh, his

01:35:14.920 lunch in it and whipped it at me when I was at a table doing change my mind and me

01:35:19.240 laughing at this person shuffling off in platform heels was considered, uh, mocking his

01:35:26.380 or her immutable characteristics.

01:35:27.820 According to you, can I tell you something?

01:35:29.200 I think, I think most people have a very high threshold for offense.

01:35:32.680 I do.

01:35:33.060 I think the average American is like, eh, I'm fine.

01:35:35.900 And I think this is one of the reasons why the left loses its mind again by left.

01:35:41.320 I mean, established left over there on the far left.

01:35:43.500 I don't mean a normal liberal or progressive.

01:35:45.180 I have lots of friends in that category who don't feel this way, but that's, that's why

01:35:49.060 they get up.

01:35:49.600 They, they, they, they get so judgmental.

01:35:51.580 The left does when people don't get offended when Trump says this, or he says that, or, you

01:35:56.160 know, some Republican, it's always a Republican says something that's borderline quote offensive

01:35:59.680 and most people shrug or they yawn.

01:36:02.060 And then they're like, you too are a bunch of bigots.

01:36:04.240 It's like, I just, you know, what's what my offense is that I wasn't offended enough.

01:36:08.880 All right.

01:36:09.280 I'll work on it.

01:36:09.980 I'm going to get angry.

01:36:11.020 I'm going to, I'm going to get angry.

01:36:12.240 I'll, I will work on it.

01:36:13.440 Yeah, no, I, no, I think you're right.

01:36:15.220 And that's why I think the message sort of falls on deaf ears.

01:36:17.360 But to go back to what I was saying about the female privilege, let me explain this a little

01:36:20.200 bit for people who are so open to, uh, all sexual lifestyles.

01:36:23.340 They're very quick to call me a fag, right?

01:36:25.240 Very quick.

01:36:25.680 You just read the YouTube comment section.

01:36:27.400 Um, I don't think anyone has ever been called in the word.

01:36:29.920 I use this word Jew fag more than myself, just because I support Israel and apparently

01:36:34.300 the gay insults like, Oh, you're quick to weaponize sexuality.

01:36:36.980 And by the way, it doesn't really insult me because I don't have a problem with anyone

01:36:40.440 being gay.

01:36:41.300 So that doesn't bother me at all.

01:36:42.640 But what did bother me is, um, and I almost shouldn't say this because people say it gets

01:36:46.980 under your skin, but I have a great wife who told me, listen, just, I understand

01:36:50.360 where you're coming from, but don't worry about me.

01:36:52.880 Um, you know, we haven't had children.

01:36:54.060 You asked me about that earlier and I noticed that you paused and I said, hopefully soon

01:36:57.320 God willing.

01:36:57.840 Well, um, the truth is my wife and I have been trying to have children for a long time

01:37:00.920 and, uh, I can talk about it now because I've talked about this on air, but, um, we

01:37:05.420 found out that my wife had an issue and not like Lana Dunham has every single issue when

01:37:09.660 she claims it.

01:37:10.200 Like my wife actually had to have a surgery, uh, for scar tissue.

01:37:13.820 She has, we found out she had endometriosis and she had some issues going on.

01:37:16.820 And then when she came out of a procedure, actually recently, she, uh, was paralyzed

01:37:20.580 from the waist down because of a reaction to the anesthesia.

01:37:23.720 But what really bothered me, um, and now we're doing IVF and as Christians, we're doing it

01:37:28.000 in a way where we only fertilize the embryo that will be implanted.

01:37:30.500 So before people send their hate mail, it's something we've looked into quite a bit, but

01:37:34.440 people would spread these.

01:37:35.860 There was a rumor spread that Steven is gay.

01:37:38.800 Look, he's 30.

01:37:39.980 He's married to a beautiful wife and he won't even give her children.

01:37:44.140 And until now where people kind of know, because we've talked about IVF and I've wanted

01:37:48.980 to, to be, uh, you know, I've wanted to let our audience in on that and educate them.

01:37:53.700 I never talked about it because it was private and I'm not going to throw my wife under the

01:37:57.400 bus and say, Hey, my boys can swim.

01:37:58.800 My wife has, you know, whatever it is, both the pelvis or whatever the medical terminology

01:38:03.940 is.

01:38:04.340 And it really bothered me because my wife reads the comments.

01:38:07.860 And I say that because, you know, it's, I think it's a little bit different as a woman.

01:38:11.120 Um, people insult your husband, you get.

01:38:13.260 You get mad, but you don't want to tear someone's head off in the same way as a protector and

01:38:18.980 a provider.

01:38:19.980 And it was something that I can't protect her from other than saying, don't read it.

01:38:23.640 And my wife said, you know what?

01:38:25.200 I understand, but don't, don't worry about me.

01:38:27.900 Because I, I was like, I, I, I signed up for this and she didn't.

01:38:31.880 And that is something that has always bothered me.

01:38:34.740 Um, but I've really learned to, uh, to, to get past it because my wife has said, it doesn't

01:38:38.480 matter.

01:38:38.840 So it doesn't matter what someone calls me.

01:38:40.360 I get that.

01:38:40.760 They're just doing it to try and get to you.

01:38:42.920 I understand all of that.

01:38:44.540 I think my, I think my husband, Doug can relate to your feelings as well.

01:38:48.060 Like he, he, and even, even George W.

01:38:51.400 Bush.

01:38:51.780 Yeah.

01:38:51.940 I remember, um, he, he was saying it's, it's easier for him to be criticized than to hear

01:38:57.620 his dad criticize George H.W.

01:38:59.600 Bush.

01:39:00.140 Uh, you know, this is years ago.

01:39:01.400 And I think that's, that's how Doug feels.

01:39:03.120 Doug, Doug can take it if you attack him, but he gets upset.

01:39:05.800 He gets upset at the really nasty slings and arrows that come my way.

01:39:08.960 But I would say over time he's gotten used to them and I'm sure, you know, Hillary, she'll,

01:39:12.700 she'll feel the same.

01:39:14.220 Can I just applaud you though for, for one second?

01:39:16.280 Cause I appreciate you talking about the infertility issue.

01:39:19.000 I think too many people don't.

01:39:21.880 And then it really, it does make women feel somehow like they failed when they can't get

01:39:27.960 pregnant.

01:39:28.240 I mean, I, I went through this myself and I've actually never talked about it publicly,

01:39:31.920 but, um, I felt too, like I was a failure because you grow up now.

01:39:37.020 I know you and your wife waited, um, to, to have sex until you got married, which I think

01:39:40.700 is awesome.

01:39:41.400 But like, you didn't have this worry about getting, getting pregnant prior to wedlock.

01:39:46.700 You know, I, I, I didn't follow that same path.

01:39:50.040 So I, I always, I was one of those people who was like, oh my God, the first time I have

01:39:52.640 sex, I'm going to get pregnant.

01:39:53.440 I'm going to get pregnant.

01:39:53.960 I think that's how most women are.

01:39:55.000 Like I'm going to have, I'm like the most fertile person on earth.

01:39:57.580 And then when you get to the place in life where you actually want to have the babies

01:40:01.040 and you have any sort of trouble, which so many women do, especially because a lot of

01:40:04.000 us, not Hillary from the sound of it, but a lot of us wait until we're older.

01:40:07.200 We're advanced maternal age.

01:40:08.880 For me, I was 38.

01:40:10.760 Um, you find that you can't, or you're, or it's a, at least an issue.

01:40:14.500 And you're like, oh my God.

01:40:15.740 And you do, I felt like I was failing.

01:40:20.620 Like my body was failing me.

01:40:22.240 Like I was failing as a woman.

01:40:24.260 And then I would go through a number of things where it wasn't me telling myself I had failed.

01:40:28.620 It was like the feminist crowd.

01:40:30.700 It was like womanista.

01:40:32.300 Like I had three C-sections.

01:40:34.460 Well, apparently that doesn't count.

01:40:35.480 You don't really have a baby.

01:40:36.280 If you have it by C-section, it has to come out vaginally or it doesn't count.

01:40:39.480 Your kid doesn't count.

01:40:40.320 You're not really a mother.

01:40:41.060 I'm like, why the hell is everybody so interested in how my baby's going to come out of my body?

01:40:45.220 Back off.

01:40:45.960 Same thing with breastfeeding.

01:40:46.980 If you don't breastfeed the kid, you know, exclusively for all the time, you get formula.

01:40:50.240 Well, you suck as a mother.

01:40:51.400 Your child's not as good as mine and you're a bad person.

01:40:53.220 It's like the shaming that we do with people.

01:40:55.600 But I think the only way forward is to talk more about it.

01:40:58.480 There's no shame in having endometriosis or an issue that makes it difficult for you to get pregnant.

01:41:04.440 And I just feel like hopefully you guys have a good doctor.

01:41:06.820 But I feel like while this period of like trying feels interminable, once you have the baby, it's totally forgotten.

01:41:13.800 It's completely forgotten, you know, and then also completely joyful.

01:41:18.320 Well, I appreciate you.

01:41:19.000 I didn't know that you hadn't spoken about that.

01:41:20.760 I brought it up when I asked my wife.

01:41:22.780 And after a while, you know, we had a miscarriage, which I think some people don't understand is devastating to the man as well.

01:41:32.180 When people say my body, my choice, well, that's absolutely true.

01:41:34.100 When I understand that my wife is dealing with something physically, a physical connection that I never will, but you have to understand that I was naming that child.

01:41:40.140 I was wondering if he was going to have my eyes or my wife's eyes.

01:41:42.320 I was wondering if it was going to be a boy or a girl.

01:41:44.900 You know, these were things like this is something that affects both people.

01:41:49.260 And that's important.

01:41:50.320 It doesn't mean that I experience everything that my wife does, but it does mean that we need to acknowledge and experience together and talk about it together so that we can heal from it together.

01:41:58.280 And I will say coming from the Christian perspective, I think it's important to tell people, especially, you know, young women, like, listen, you don't have a window forever.

01:42:06.720 That is true.

01:42:07.440 And you don't even know if you're going to be able to get pregnant.

01:42:09.980 So that is true.

01:42:11.280 And we also shouldn't be asking, telling women like, oh, why don't you have a baby yet?

01:42:15.580 Because there could be a bunch of reasons as to why they don't.

01:42:19.180 And it doesn't mean that there are screeching feminazi who, you know, believe in overpopulation.

01:42:23.620 And so both things can be true at the same time.

01:42:27.000 And that's really the only reason I ever spoke about it and felt compelled to be authentic.

01:42:33.080 And, of course, I had to make sure that my wife was OK with it just because I think it's something that a lot of people suffer through alone.

01:42:40.300 And they don't have to.

01:42:41.420 I know how self-righteous it like celebrities like you are not alone.

01:42:44.120 And that happens anytime some celebrity, you know, ends up committing suicide with depression.

01:42:47.280 And so people come out and all of a sudden everyone has depression.

01:42:50.220 That's why I've talked about depression a lot on my show.

01:42:52.620 And I talk about it when there's no story in the news about depression.

01:42:55.520 They say I have no reason to bring this up.

01:42:57.200 I have nothing to gain.

01:42:58.220 There isn't a Heath Ledger situation.

01:43:00.000 But this is something that I've suffered with.

01:43:01.580 And this is something that you can get past.

01:43:03.380 And it's not this idea that, oh, you don't know what it's like.

01:43:06.680 No, I know exactly what it's like.

01:43:08.060 I know exactly what it's like to struggle with depression.

01:43:09.680 And guess what?

01:43:10.320 You can get over it and you can beat it.

01:43:12.280 And you shouldn't let it define you.

01:43:13.780 But a lot of these people on the left who say don't let it define.

01:43:16.640 Like they say, don't let it define you.

01:43:18.580 The stutter with Joe Biden, right?

01:43:20.140 He's like, it is not something that defines you.

01:43:22.680 And then they tried to use it to define him, to make it, to make him completely impermeable

01:43:26.960 to any sort of insult.

01:43:28.420 I was like, well, no, hold on a second, Joe.

01:43:29.500 You can't use it as a sword and a shield.

01:43:32.020 Right.

01:43:32.480 It's like, it's not your stutter.

01:43:33.520 It's the fact that you said you met the Pope when you didn't.

01:43:36.500 That's not a stutter.

01:43:38.240 It's a fact that you made up stories about people you've never met.

01:43:42.720 At times they never occurred in places that don't even exist, Joe.

01:43:46.640 So I bring this up because, hey, it's just a small part of me that I've struggled with.

01:43:50.140 I've talked about mental health before and depression.

01:43:52.420 And this is a small and I just try and be open.

01:43:54.880 Do you think that that's related to you being so funny?

01:43:57.360 You know, the whole joke about the sad clown.

01:43:59.300 But I do.

01:44:00.140 I know a fair amount of comedians.

01:44:01.460 And I do think there's a strain of depression in a lot of them.

01:44:04.360 But I think it's it's the flop to a great flip.

01:44:07.280 You know, it's like you get this great ability.

01:44:08.900 I don't know if it's nerves like you said you have at this at the top of your show.

01:44:12.480 But there's something in you that makes you quicker and more clever than the average person.

01:44:17.580 Maybe it's a defense mechanism, you know, from your discomfort.

01:44:20.600 And maybe part of that's driven by depression or I don't know, just some sort of struggle.

01:44:25.820 I don't know.

01:44:26.580 When I when I look at you and I look at a lot of the comedians I know who are on who can be sadder, who can be a little bit more sad than than the average Joe.

01:44:33.320 So I think it's all part of the same thing.

01:44:36.580 Yeah, I think it is.

01:44:37.440 I think, listen, I think people who tend to go into the number one fear is public speaking.

01:44:41.940 I think they're wired a little bit differently.

01:44:45.440 So, you know, I don't know.

01:44:47.000 I don't have an answer.

01:44:47.540 So I also know people who are depressed and are wildly unfunny.

01:44:50.520 So obviously the rule isn't for everybody.

01:44:54.000 No, no, no.

01:44:54.620 You're just miserable.

01:44:56.100 And I don't want to hear from go be depressed by yourself.

01:44:59.100 OK, we get it.

01:44:59.800 You have a tie that spins.

01:45:01.100 Shut up.

01:45:01.620 What did you?

01:45:02.280 So what did you do?

01:45:03.360 How do you manage it with depression?

01:45:05.780 Well, listen, being being I will say this and I've talked about this before, if not for my faith.

01:45:11.140 And, you know, listen, I know I have a potty mouth sometimes.

01:45:13.280 I'm not an appropriate example of a Christian.

01:45:14.960 If I weren't a Christian, I definitely would probably have killed myself.

01:45:18.200 So that's something understanding when people say, oh, are you saying that you're only doing this because God is watching?

01:45:23.920 I'm not saying that's why you do everything, but pretty much.

01:45:26.240 Yeah, I think that's I think that's a guardrail.

01:45:29.780 I think that as someone who has suffered with depression and a big part of depression is this, you know, this this meaninglessness that people understanding.

01:45:36.460 No, there is meaning and having seen a rhyme and a reason to my life and knowing that that I can't see what's around the bend and only God does.

01:45:45.840 And listen, there's also medication that enters the equation for me really more so is is is speaking with a professional.

01:45:51.760 And what I did find was this wonderful woman who's more of an executive psychologist.

01:45:57.840 So someone who works with like high level athletes, someone who works with, you know, executives of successful companies, because I tell you what, one time I went into a shrink.

01:46:06.600 This is a true story.

01:46:07.660 I went in and I said, what are you, you know, what are your what are your big problems?

01:46:12.540 And that's why I'm just stressed.

01:46:14.160 I'm kind of tired.

01:46:15.020 Why do you think you're so tired?

01:46:16.160 I said, you know, it's just one of those things.

01:46:17.760 I can't make a mistake because I have millions of people watching me.

01:46:21.940 And, you know, there's a security issue in the back of my mind because people want to kill me.

01:46:25.960 And I know that this psychologist thought it was delusional, paranoid delusion thinks millions of people are watching him.

01:46:32.820 I said, no, no, no, no.

01:46:33.620 I have a show where we have tens of millions of people.

01:46:35.140 And I'm actually on the ISIS kill list.

01:46:37.100 Don't don't put me in a padded room.

01:46:39.780 So sometimes what we do, Megan, is and I don't mean that this is certainly not an elitist thing, but just our job is very different.

01:46:48.800 I mean, you know, most people who work a job, they have to perform for their boss.

01:46:53.880 We have to perform for everybody else.

01:46:57.720 And really, the people who would have the most in common with that would probably be bosses themselves because they have to perform to make sure that all their employees are paid and professional athletes who have to perform for big crowds of people.

01:47:09.220 And there's a reason that it's a different kind of psychotherapy that helps those kinds of people.

01:47:15.480 So, yeah, for me, it's it's been invaluable.

01:47:18.480 And I think it's it's it's really helped improve my quality of life.

01:47:21.740 But, yeah, without without the true north, without, you know, my my my faith.

01:47:27.080 And when I say that, I mean, faith, I'm a Christian, Jesus Christ.

01:47:29.880 I'm that that's what it is.

01:47:31.460 I know people are not spiritual.

01:47:32.480 Like people say, I know that I would be a lot worse off.

01:47:37.900 Well, I appreciate that.

01:47:39.720 I can relate to it, too.

01:47:41.020 I I mean, I've definitely had a rough five years.

01:47:45.200 I'm losing track.

01:47:46.360 There's been a lot.

01:47:47.080 But things get crazy when you get well known, that's for sure.

01:47:50.540 And I have been a religious therapy attender for a long time.

01:47:57.340 In fact, it was we mentioned Stossel's wife, who is a psychiatrist.

01:47:59.760 She's the one who recommended the therapist to me here in New York.

01:48:03.720 It was like 10 years ago.

01:48:05.320 And I've been seeing the same guy ever since.

01:48:07.180 And it's not like he solves your problems.

01:48:09.160 It doesn't solve your problems.

01:48:10.600 It just you just feel better.

01:48:12.260 I've always been an avid journal keeper.

01:48:14.320 And this is a sad truth.

01:48:15.700 I've stopped keeping a journal since I've become well known.

01:48:19.340 I'm just afraid.

01:48:20.540 I'm afraid someone's going to find my journals and use them against me.

01:48:23.700 I just I it's sad.

01:48:25.440 It's a real loss for me.

01:48:26.200 I've been keeping them since I was a little girl.

01:48:28.380 That's what was Brett Kavanaugh.

01:48:29.880 I mean, who keeps a journal forever?

01:48:31.840 That's what it made perfect sense to me.

01:48:33.780 I was like, oh, my God, Brett, he's my brother from another mother.

01:48:36.340 I do the same.

01:48:37.340 I could also produce my diaries from the time I was 15.

01:48:40.840 Right.

01:48:41.200 But but the therapist kind of replaces that, you know, like now I can I can just talk to

01:48:45.680 him and it's the one relationship you have in your life where like you just get to do

01:48:50.240 all the talking.

01:48:51.100 It can be all about yourself.

01:48:52.200 And the other person needs nothing from you.

01:48:54.820 They're only there to say, well, I guess I I also have that relationship with I also

01:48:59.940 have that relationship with you, Abby.

01:49:03.020 But so I have I have those two.

01:49:05.560 Well, my therapist is a little different.

01:49:07.260 She does talk back.

01:49:08.280 And that's what I like about her.

01:49:09.140 She's very practical.

01:49:10.280 Like I went to other therapists who, OK, how do you feel and tell me about your mother

01:49:13.640 being an executive psychologist.

01:49:16.280 She goes right away.

01:49:17.160 She goes, OK, how much are you sleeping?

01:49:19.360 Like, ah, at that point, maybe like, you know, four hours.

01:49:22.240 OK, we need to fix that.

01:49:23.220 She goes, OK, how much time are you taking for rest?

01:49:25.320 And she would say she goes, listen, what I do is very different.

01:49:27.900 Most people who go to psychologists, they need to get off their ass and do something.

01:49:32.000 And that's most people.

01:49:33.680 So the people who come in here, they need to be coached on how to pull it back a little bit.

01:49:38.120 They need to be coached on balancing their life a little bit.

01:49:40.720 They need to be coached on relaxing a little bit more.

01:49:43.240 And that's kind of what she specializes in.

01:49:45.040 And if she thinks and if I'm being lazy, don't get me wrong, she'll kick my ass.

01:49:47.580 But she will actually lay out a plan and go, OK, here's what I want you to do.

01:49:51.380 For example, what would happen before the show?

01:49:53.480 I would be doing so many things and I'd be, you know, signing signing contracts or what

01:49:57.040 I would have to do, sign sign merchandise.

01:49:59.000 And then I would have to get off a phone call and I'd sit down, boom, do the show.

01:50:01.740 She said, here's what you're going to do.

01:50:02.400 You are going to take 10 minutes before the show and you're going to go alone in your

01:50:06.020 office and put on noise canceling headphones and you're going to breathe.

01:50:09.740 And then when you leave, you're going to take five minutes after the show, just five minutes

01:50:13.280 after an hour, after two hour show, you're just going to be by yourself.

01:50:17.360 Because what would happen is I walk out the door and people are going, hey, we have this

01:50:20.900 request and hey, we need to get, we need to get to this shoot.

01:50:22.980 Hey, we need to, we're bringing the sand in for the Saving Private Ryan parody.

01:50:25.920 Hey, we need a permit to go to change mine.

01:50:27.380 Hey, here's your bulletproof vest when we're doing this.

01:50:29.100 You know what I mean?

01:50:29.660 It happens while I'm walking out of the studio and I will say I have a great team of people

01:50:34.000 here now who actually care about my wellbeing.

01:50:36.500 That hasn't always been the case.

01:50:38.620 And, um, you know, we have a big, uh, a big, uh, mural of Andrew Breitbart, who was really

01:50:43.200 kind of my mentor on the conservative side.

01:50:45.420 I'll tell you what I watched toward the end of his life.

01:50:48.160 Um, I watched people who were beholden to him for their paycheck and they should have told

01:50:54.100 him to slow down.

01:50:55.200 Everyone knew it.

01:50:55.860 And instead they wanted more and more and more because they wanted to be a part of the

01:51:00.040 Andrew Breitbart show.

01:51:01.380 And I was, he was the first person to RSVP at my wedding.

01:51:04.280 I never worked for Andrew.

01:51:05.520 He never paid me a dime, but he had some health scares.

01:51:08.640 And I remember looking at people who worked for him going like, why aren't you telling

01:51:11.660 him that he needs to take some time?

01:51:13.440 Why aren't you giving it?

01:51:14.340 Why aren't you telling him that he needs to slow down?

01:51:15.920 Why aren't you telling him that he needs to focus on his health?

01:51:17.700 Because the people who work for you, listen, you're their meal ticket and they don't do

01:51:23.660 that.

01:51:23.980 Guess what?

01:51:24.360 I actually do have, that's why I really, when people say it's like a family, I have people

01:51:29.240 here who do that now while I work, they go, Hey, go home.

01:51:33.240 We have some stuff we can work on without you.

01:51:35.960 Uh, you've been doing this for 15 hours or whatever.

01:51:38.760 And, and so, um, I really have to just say it's, yeah, my, my psychologist is very helpful.

01:51:43.620 I have a fantastic wife, my faith, and I cannot stress the importance enough and how grateful

01:51:48.140 I am for the team of people that I, that I have around me, because that has been a big

01:51:53.380 difference maker.

01:51:54.040 When I was in Fox news, the darkest time of my life was I was at Fox news and I'm a, I

01:52:00.320 have a little bit of a compulsive personality.

01:52:02.020 Some people become self-destructive, but I'm like, let me replace it with something productive.

01:52:05.040 So I was in New York city, Fox news.

01:52:08.640 They made me move to New York and, you know, I'm like, let's say I appear five times a week,

01:52:11.620 but what else do you do?

01:52:12.660 And I wrote an article for the Fox.

01:52:14.480 That was basically what I did.

01:52:15.500 And they had me on, you know, a retainer.

01:52:16.800 So I couldn't, I exclusivity.

01:52:18.480 So I started doing Brazilian jujitsu nine times a week in addition to lifting two or three

01:52:24.020 times.

01:52:24.240 So basically two a days, which even professional athlete, it was very stupid.

01:52:28.200 I turned my joints into a fine powder, but I had nothing to do.

01:52:32.040 I had, I was like, I got to do something.

01:52:33.860 I'm sitting alone in an apartment and, uh, I have no friends.

01:52:37.140 Then what happened was I blew my back out at, uh, at a 24 hour fitness, you know, how gyms

01:52:41.880 in New York, they don't have air exchangers.

01:52:43.340 They get so humid.

01:52:44.640 And what happened as I was just doing a row, my foot went on this grip pad and my foot slipped

01:52:48.780 off and you could actually hear.

01:52:51.140 And I fell back.

01:52:52.400 And when they tried to bend me up, um, I actually, people talk about, I actually blacked out

01:52:58.220 from the pain, actually passed out from the pain.

01:53:01.200 So they cut off my clothes and they, they couldn't get me into a stretcher cause it's

01:53:05.020 New York.

01:53:05.400 And I'm sorry, but I hate the city of New York.

01:53:07.380 I had to get out of there with my hair on fire.

01:53:08.980 I know that a lot of good qualities, but they couldn't even get me into an elevator or down

01:53:14.180 the stairs in a stretcher.

01:53:15.180 So they had to put a stretcher kind of across one of those, uh, like care chairs and have

01:53:20.700 me sit on an angle.

01:53:22.080 Men, the ambulance, they cut off my, my pants from my, uh, from my ankle all the way up.

01:53:27.080 Guy sticks his thumb up my ass, like yet fingers like sausages.

01:53:31.020 Cause they're checking to see if your sphincter works right to see if your back is basically

01:53:34.160 completely ruptured.

01:53:35.520 Um, and I couldn't walk.

01:53:37.000 I couldn't walk.

01:53:38.120 I had, uh, completely herniated, uh, ruptured a disc.

01:53:41.620 And, um, I was staring at the ceiling for about eight hours naked and I didn't have

01:53:49.840 anyone who could, uh, who, or who was willing to come and help at all.

01:53:53.480 I had one friend from the Lower East Side who came and he helped me back because I couldn't

01:53:56.360 walk back.

01:53:57.240 And, uh, then I had one person who was an intern at Hannity's show who I really liked.

01:54:01.300 And, uh, I remember calling my, my girlfriend who is now my wife at the time saying like, Hey,

01:54:05.820 just so you know, she's going to have to help me like disrobe and put my pants on.

01:54:09.360 Uh, and that was the moment of realization for me.

01:54:12.860 That was when I said, okay, I'm not, I'm not really, I don't think I'm gonna renew, um,

01:54:15.880 what I'm doing here.

01:54:16.480 I'm in a city that I hate.

01:54:18.160 I have no friends.

01:54:19.400 It's very clear.

01:54:20.080 These people like, sure.

01:54:21.320 They want to go to Langans and have a couple of drinks, but they're not going to stare

01:54:24.840 to the ceiling for eight hours, unable to move my legs.

01:54:28.300 Um, and, uh, and, uh, had to make some, some decisions, some, some, some real changes.

01:54:33.420 But think about that when I, when I hear you talking about that and about how, you know,

01:54:36.820 it was, it was like jumping off a cliff because you're young, you don't know where your next

01:54:40.540 job is coming from.

01:54:41.460 There's not a lot of outlets for a conservative in media and certainly not in late night comedy,

01:54:47.100 a lane that you might've otherwise pursued.

01:54:49.400 So you're there, you're twisting in the wind.

01:54:52.380 You're actually hurting.

01:54:53.420 You're physically hurting, maybe emotionally hurting too.

01:54:56.340 And I do think it's one of those stories that keep, that gives people hope.

01:54:59.640 Like, look at you now.

01:55:00.640 I mean, you're, you're really, you're king of YouTube.

01:55:02.400 I mean, of course, there's always something to keep you humble.

01:55:05.420 You know, like I, I, I did that Tara Reid interview that you was so kindly promoted on

01:55:09.540 your show.

01:55:10.220 And I was like, oh, this is so great.

01:55:11.700 It's got like 1, 1.7 million hits.

01:55:13.680 It's awesome.

01:55:14.320 And then I look at my kids and they, they follow somebody who jumps into like little

01:55:17.840 baby pools, fill of fold of like plastic balls.

01:55:20.360 And those people have a hundred million views.

01:55:22.740 So there's always something to keep your ego in check, but you're killing it.

01:55:26.640 Right.

01:55:27.100 And it landed, it landed in a great place for you and your family.

01:55:31.180 You're with, you're with a wife that you love.

01:55:33.020 You sounds like you do have friends and good support.

01:55:35.360 Now I can relate to all of that.

01:55:37.180 Sometimes taking that leap off the cliff while damn scary on, on the first step.

01:55:42.020 And during the fall lands, you're in a much softer, better place.

01:55:46.080 Where some guy at Lenox Hill jams his thumb up your ass.

01:55:49.300 The guy didn't even ask.

01:55:51.260 He even warned me.

01:55:52.580 And I was like, what, what the hell is going on?

01:55:54.520 And here's actually, this is the true part of that story too.

01:55:57.380 Do you realize it was a $10,000 bill?

01:55:59.620 I didn't have any health insurance.

01:56:00.620 I was a Fox news contributor.

01:56:02.620 So you know how that works.

01:56:03.620 Didn't have any health insurance at this point.

01:56:04.900 I was stupid.

01:56:05.440 One of those kids who chose not to buy health insurance, nothing will happen.

01:56:08.080 But they kept trying, they tried to send me home.

01:56:10.240 They go, okay, you're fine.

01:56:11.060 Your back's fine.

01:56:11.600 Go home.

01:56:11.880 I go, I can't walk.

01:56:13.400 They go, get up.

01:56:14.080 And they start moving the hospital bed.

01:56:15.300 You know, it's, it's, I'm prone.

01:56:16.320 And they start lifting it.

01:56:17.060 And I start screaming.

01:56:18.640 They go, okay, okay.

01:56:19.620 They go, all right, we'll come back.

01:56:21.880 So they come back on the hour, every hour and lifted up one more notch.

01:56:25.300 And I scream every single time.

01:56:27.060 Cause I can't, I'm like, I can't move my back.

01:56:28.920 My friend had to wheel me home.

01:56:31.960 I get a call three days later.

01:56:33.720 It's the chairman of the board at Lenox Hill hospital.

01:56:36.760 Either they misread the MRI or they read the wrong MRI.

01:56:39.300 And I had serious stenosis and I had ruptured a disc and, um, here's what happened.

01:56:43.640 It was like a 10,000 something dollar bill.

01:56:45.100 I'm like, oh, okay.

01:56:45.760 Oh, you don't have insurance.

01:56:46.540 It's cash.

01:56:47.040 Hold on.

01:56:48.520 Oh, it's like 40 bucks.

01:56:51.000 Okay.

01:56:52.760 Yeah.

01:56:53.060 It was like, or it might've been 300.

01:56:53.940 They just wrote it off.

01:56:55.380 Well, cause they, they didn't, they realized they didn't have insurance and they're like,

01:56:57.620 Hey, can you pay a couple hundred dollars?

01:56:59.340 And I said, sure.

01:57:00.640 Oh my God.

01:57:01.280 That's unbelievable.

01:57:01.820 That's what happens to all the people don't know that because there's, they overcharge.

01:57:04.820 I mean, really what happened?

01:57:05.580 And I had an MRI, I had a picture taken and I, so they cut off my clothes and a guy jammed

01:57:10.060 his thumb up my ass.

01:57:10.800 And I looked at the ceiling for eight hours.

01:57:12.500 Well, meanwhile, you could have gotten that done in Times Square for like 500 bucks.

01:57:15.460 You didn't have to pay 10,000.

01:57:16.660 Believe me, I could have.

01:57:17.580 And I hung out with Jim Norton quite a bit.

01:57:19.040 So he knew all the hot spots.

01:57:20.600 I don't think I've ever had a show where we've talked about thumb up the ass as much as we,

01:57:24.100 I think it's not a thing I've discussed except for some woman I used to know.

01:57:28.820 Well, okay.

01:57:29.380 That's her problem.

01:57:30.220 This is a medical procedure.

01:57:31.880 And this is because they were testing to make sure that your spinal cord has not actually

01:57:37.140 been severed.

01:57:37.760 You know what?

01:57:38.220 You know what, Megan?

01:57:38.960 You go and sit up there and you're nice.

01:57:40.860 You're nice.

01:57:41.560 Never having had a doctor's thumb up your ass tower.

01:57:44.120 And I hope, I hope that it's never.

01:57:46.980 Assumes facts, not in evidence, Mr. Male Privilege.

01:57:49.900 Try to go for an annual as a woman every year.

01:57:51.920 Everything's, everything's where it's supposed to be.

01:57:53.820 You know exactly what the drill is.

01:57:55.320 And then suddenly you're like, whoa, whoa, how you doing?

01:57:58.560 Yeah, well, I get that same thing every year once I hit 40 and my dad's doctor used a

01:58:03.860 kaleidoscope, which almost seems impractical.

01:58:06.360 So.

01:58:07.620 All right, listen, I do want to, I know I have to let you go because you've been so generous

01:58:10.880 with your time, but can I just ask you, because I, I, I'm dying to just ask you.

01:58:15.300 All right, good.

01:58:15.900 Because I have to ask you about big tech.

01:58:18.160 You're, you're like the number one person I want to ask about big tech.

01:58:20.520 When I saw the thing about Hunter Biden and Facebook and YouTube, not, not allowing the

01:58:25.380 story to go out.

01:58:26.020 When I see Twitter's, not YouTube, Facebook and Twitter.

01:58:29.600 When I see Twitter's little warnings all over people's tweets, like, are you sure you want

01:58:33.420 to tweet that?

01:58:34.200 Are you sure you want to retweet this?

01:58:35.720 Don't you want to read the article before you like, screw you, Jack?

01:58:38.580 What are you?

01:58:38.860 You're not my daddy.

01:58:39.640 Like, move along, brother.

01:58:40.980 And it's, it's maddening to me as somebody who believes in the first amendment and doesn't

01:58:44.820 want Twitter making my editorial decisions.

01:58:47.580 And you, of course, are, you know, the poster child for this after everything that happened

01:58:51.540 at YouTube.

01:58:52.140 And obviously you came back a year later, they, they allowed the monetization to come

01:58:55.220 back and you've landed more than on your feet.

01:58:57.760 You've got millions and millions of fans and viewers.

01:58:59.840 But what do you think?

01:59:00.960 Because I think people are really worried about this, given the amount of power they have.

01:59:03.900 And I don't know that government is the solution, but there, it seems like we need

01:59:07.940 a solution.

01:59:09.780 Actually, it's interesting the way that you described it.

01:59:11.340 Are you sure you want to tweet this?

01:59:12.120 You make Jack Dorsey sound like the modern equivalent of that bent back paperclip, who's like, you're

01:59:15.800 trying to like, I'm trying to spell rhinovirus.

01:59:17.300 Did you mean rhinoceros?

01:59:18.960 No, Clippy, get off my word documents.

01:59:21.460 That's what he is.

01:59:22.280 He's the new paperclip.

01:59:25.460 You know what?

01:59:26.580 I think that everything you've said is fair.

01:59:28.900 And I will tell you this, Donald Trump has changed my views on some things.

01:59:31.660 I used to be far more libertarian.

01:59:34.060 And now I understand that there are some things where you do need the government to

01:59:37.260 step in because there are powers that be that are more powerful, especially now, that

01:59:41.980 can infringe upon your rights in a more invasive way.

01:59:44.800 Like I said, you know, big tech, they're more powerful when you combine them than really

01:59:47.900 in many ways, the American government.

01:59:49.700 Here's my position on it.

01:59:51.220 And I've always maintained this and same thing with YouTube.

01:59:53.000 And I think that's why I'm in a different position than a lot of people who will, first

01:59:56.000 off, I get litigious when I know I'm right.

01:59:57.600 And it's not just, oh, you're censoring.

02:00:00.880 It's aim, ready, fire.

02:00:03.640 I measure twice and I cut once and I make sure that I'm in the right.

02:00:07.080 So that's the first thing that I have done.

02:00:08.500 That's what my experience, I think, has been a little bit different.

02:00:10.740 A lot of other people don't have half a million dollars they just put into their budget for

02:00:13.980 having lawyers and retainer.

02:00:15.020 I saw it from the very get go.

02:00:17.080 I said, I'm going to have to keep receipts for everything.

02:00:20.100 And a lot of people were careless.

02:00:21.580 As it relates to big tech, listen, the 230 protections, this is something we've been

02:00:26.500 talking about for a long time.

02:00:27.940 YouTube can make their rules and they can ban anyone they want.

02:00:31.940 But when they say, hey, we are an open forum for all ideas and no, no, no, we are not censoring

02:00:39.180 conservatives and we want you to be here.

02:00:42.220 And especially when they take money from conservatives to advertise in their platform, which, by the

02:00:47.560 way, they've done with me directly.

02:00:49.060 Now we've entered into a business relationship.

02:00:50.780 It's a little bit different.

02:00:52.560 What I think is the first step, and I've been saying this for years and it seems like we

02:00:56.980 might be closer to it now, though I don't really know what comes from these hearings.

02:00:59.860 And dear God, I just pray no one ever subpoenas me or summons me because it's not like I have

02:01:04.100 some information exclusively that nobody else out there would.

02:01:06.720 So Crenshaw or Cruz, if you're listening, please, dear God, don't subpoena me.

02:01:10.240 I think the first step is making them declare, okay, are you a publisher or are you a platform?

02:01:15.340 Because if you're a publisher, if you have the ability to censor points of view, for example,

02:01:19.360 if you want to make it your policy that it's hate speech for someone to speak out against

02:01:24.080 eight-year-olds on puberty blockers, then, okay, you are now a publisher and you lose

02:01:30.720 your protections of being an open platform and you are liable.

02:01:33.280 In other words, you can't, for people out there listening who don't understand, you

02:01:37.540 know, like Sprint or Verizon, these are public utilities, so it's kind of the most apt comparison.

02:01:42.500 They can't censor people.

02:01:44.080 In other words, even if a bunch of neo-Nazis are just talking on the phone, or let's just

02:01:48.160 say neo-Nazis because maybe their phones could be tapped and they could be actual terrorists.

02:01:51.740 But let's just say some racists, or let's just say like Ilhan Omar is on the phone talking

02:01:55.580 about how much she hates Jews.

02:01:57.020 Okay.

02:01:57.140 Like Verizon cannot, they can't just cut off her service.

02:02:01.500 They can't do that because this is effectively, it's an open platform.

02:02:04.820 They have these same protections, their utility, but the New York Times can say, we're not going

02:02:09.900 to publish your piece.

02:02:10.560 They're a publisher.

02:02:11.280 So with YouTube and with Twitter and Facebook, they've been treated like the town square, like

02:02:15.220 open platforms, which, you know, is, is that, but that protection has to be predicated on

02:02:20.140 this idea that barring actual crimes being committed, they do not touch the comments, the content.

02:02:27.640 Everyone has an open and level playing field to express their point of view.

02:02:31.540 And we obviously know that that's not the case.

02:02:33.660 We know that that's not what is going on right now, despite what Jack Dorsey tells us with

02:02:37.320 his, his, his bird feeder and his beard.

02:02:39.380 And so I just, I want them to have to declare it.

02:02:42.920 I think they should be held to one standard or the other.

02:02:46.140 Yeah.

02:02:46.260 Which they don't want to do just the audience.

02:02:47.700 They don't want to do that because it exposes them to liability to section 230 prevents them

02:02:51.700 from having liability.

02:02:52.540 If somebody says something defamatory on their platform, because they're not a publisher,

02:02:56.240 they can't control, you know, they can't help what Ilhan Omar says on the phone line

02:02:59.560 to use your analogy.

02:03:01.120 And honestly, it, to, to go with that, it would be the same as Sprint listening to, to

02:03:06.460 racists having a conversation.

02:03:07.840 And then suddenly one's words get cut off and the rest of the sentence can no longer be

02:03:13.560 heard by the other guy because someone at Sprint has deemed your words.

02:03:17.700 Offensive and not allowed to be on their platform.

02:03:19.820 Everyone knows that would be absurd.

02:03:21.320 That that would never happen, but that's kind of what is happening.

02:03:24.240 You're right.

02:03:25.040 I use Ilhan Omar as an exact example.

02:03:26.800 People don't realize she's an anti-Semite.

02:03:28.300 Like she's very clear.

02:03:29.340 Like she did.

02:03:29.640 Well, okay.

02:03:30.140 She hates Israel.

02:03:31.040 Let's put it that way.

02:03:31.640 Rashida Tlaib is a little bit worse.

02:03:33.340 Now, uh, when asked about Hezbollah, there was something in some kind of interview.

02:03:37.100 I did a joke about Ilhan Omar where she said, huh?

02:03:40.500 Hezbollah?

02:03:41.320 I said, who is she?

02:03:41.820 She's talking like Rafiki?

02:03:43.160 Hezbollah?

02:03:43.720 And it was like a Disney character.

02:03:45.180 And that was, oh, maybe borderline.

02:03:46.960 Cause I'm doing an impression of Ilhan Omar.

02:03:48.140 What about the fact that she, what about the fact that she was saying she doesn't like,

02:03:50.700 she basically doesn't like Jews.

02:03:52.060 So in other words, if you're, if YouTube is going to allow Ilhan Omar to go up there

02:03:55.440 and say that Israel doesn't have the right to exist, but then they decide that even

02:03:58.620 with the search algorithms, if you search Steven Crowder, Ilhan Omar, it doesn't show up.

02:04:03.060 They are now effectively acting like a publisher.

02:04:04.960 This happened on YouTube.

02:04:06.300 And your stuff about the gender is dead on too.

02:04:08.860 We just talked to Abigail Schreier not long ago, and we were looking into this before the

02:04:12.140 interview.

02:04:12.840 They really will censor you if you put anything out there that challenges these notions that

02:04:17.680 are being pushed that maybe we should pause a bit before we allow our, our, our minor,

02:04:23.060 minor children under the age of 18 to just run off campus and go get themselves some

02:04:26.800 testosterone without telling their parents stuff like that is being censored and stopped

02:04:30.480 from circulation.

02:04:31.100 Even stuff about Abigail's book.

02:04:32.780 Oh, and what about the billboard?

02:04:34.140 Right.

02:04:34.300 We saw that it's beyond tech now.

02:04:36.320 Some parents bought a billboard using, um, GoFundMe money, uh, to, to call attention.

02:04:41.060 They said puberty is not a medical condition.

02:04:42.920 In other words, you don't need to treat it when your kid goes through puberty.

02:04:45.340 You don't need to stop it with hormone blockers.

02:04:48.200 And, um, it did pretty well.

02:04:49.980 So then they got to go fund me to sort of get some other, uh, other billboards up and go

02:04:53.940 fund me said, no, you can't.

02:04:55.480 So it's like, it keeps spreading where only the speech that they like can be protected

02:05:00.360 and everybody else gets censored.

02:05:01.940 They actually removed a video of mine.

02:05:03.860 So this was at a town hall in Burlington, Vermont, a town hall, mind you.

02:05:07.980 So it's in a, it's in a single party consent state and it's at a public town hall.

02:05:12.660 And the worst part about this that I got banned is the guy who was giving this, this, uh, this

02:05:17.720 advice, it was basically advice on how to get your, your sex reassignment surgery paid

02:05:21.460 for under like Medicare.

02:05:22.720 But this doctor who was telling us, he was telling me and my producer on camera, how to,

02:05:27.840 uh, administer puberty blockers to our children and how to actually get it partially subsidized.

02:05:32.600 His name was, I swear to you, Dr. Rex butts, Dr. Rex butts, just because of that.

02:05:40.000 I'm furious that the video was removed, but it was removed recorded at a public town hall

02:05:46.040 because it was a violation of policy, right?

02:05:48.900 That was removed.

02:05:49.740 We were at a town hall and they were telling us how to get your sex reassignment surgery

02:05:53.160 paid for by Medicaid, Medicare, and how to, and they were saying in this video, yeah,

02:05:57.060 you put your kid on puberty blockers, you put them on the hormones.

02:06:00.000 And then if they decide that they, uh, they want to, uh, be the, they decide they want to

02:06:03.900 be the gender that they were identified with when they're, then you just take them off.

02:06:07.500 They're, they're, they're no worse off.

02:06:08.660 Like, no, no, no, no, no.

02:06:09.440 No, actually 90% of kids, actually 99% of kids who think they have gender dysphoria,

02:06:14.500 they grow out of it.

02:06:15.600 That number drops to zero when you give them hormones.

02:06:18.340 What happened to science?

02:06:19.680 We follow the science.

02:06:21.020 Oh, really?

02:06:21.280 You follow the science on the homemade mask that you're fondling, by the way, Joe Biden

02:06:26.500 fondling it.

02:06:27.260 Like it's like, it's the next eight year old at a rally.

02:06:29.440 You're constantly touching it.

02:06:30.860 What's the science that tells me that mask, not a surgical mask, not a mask that's washed

02:06:35.480 in a commercial hospital, ultra hot washing machine, and then replaced and sanitized after

02:06:40.960 every use.

02:06:41.640 Name me one scientific study that shows that it works.

02:06:44.080 But I tell you what, I can show you scientific studies that show pumping men full of estrogen

02:06:48.640 causes cancer.

02:06:50.340 That's why, why do you think people are, why do you think people are eating organic?

02:06:53.400 For some reason, people, right, xenoestrogens, they have a problem and they'll pontificate

02:06:58.620 on how they only drink from nalgene or glass because of BPA in the plastic and it mimics

02:07:03.060 estrogen in the body.

02:07:04.380 When injected directly into an eight year old's ass cheek, however, they say, well, we don't

02:07:09.640 know the science yet.

02:07:10.640 Yeah, we do.

02:07:11.260 We do know that altering the hormones of a child going through puberty has irreparable

02:07:16.860 results.

02:07:18.100 We just don't know how damaging it is.

02:07:19.520 And everyone in Big Tech has agreed that what I've just said is a violation of their

02:07:24.740 policy.

02:07:25.220 Yeah, has to be censored.

02:07:26.160 That's what Abigail's going through.

02:07:27.080 The name of her book is Irreversible Damage for a reason.

02:07:30.920 I find it really scary that this is not being allowed to be circulated and discussed because,

02:07:36.900 I mean, we're sort of talking facetiously in one moment about, you know, two racists

02:07:40.780 on the phone.

02:07:41.520 But by the way, there is First Amendment protection for that in the United States of America.

02:07:45.520 But like this is the other end of the of the extreme of the spectrum where people are talking

02:07:50.240 about, wait, I have real objections to what you're saying because I think it's genuinely

02:07:54.580 harmful to children.

02:07:55.880 And those discussions are being silenced by these big tech bosses or even, you know, the

02:08:01.160 publishing industry because they've decided it's wrong.

02:08:04.740 And that's an example where the scientists are working in tandem with those folks because

02:08:10.160 they have submitted to the woke mob, too.

02:08:12.140 The scientists know that it's not OK to just affirm a child who the first time is saying,

02:08:17.400 I think I might be a member of the other sex.

02:08:19.540 That's not OK.

02:08:20.280 You've got to probe.

02:08:20.980 You've got to figure out whether that's real or that's coming from some other need for

02:08:24.740 attention or a passing phase.

02:08:26.420 And they have submitted.

02:08:27.880 They're on the knee saying, OK, I don't want to be called a transphobe.

02:08:31.120 I don't want to get pushback from my colleagues in academia or otherwise.

02:08:34.260 So affirm, affirm, affirm, affirm and and damned the consequences.

02:08:38.160 Yeah, absolutely.

02:08:40.020 And then Southern Poverty Law Center is this close to putting Johns Hopkins on a hate group

02:08:44.300 watch because they won't perform the surgery.

02:08:45.980 By the way, they did.

02:08:46.980 They did perform a lot of transitions for a while and they realized that the results

02:08:50.040 weren't any better.

02:08:51.400 There's a lot of great people on their on their hate group watch list.

02:08:54.720 They put Ben Carson on there for a while.

02:08:57.140 Oh, then Ben Carson.

02:08:58.340 Oh, my.

02:08:58.800 Well, he did.

02:08:59.420 Didn't.

02:08:59.720 His mom was saved by the belt buckle.

02:09:01.600 That was one of those things when he talked about trying to stab his mom.

02:09:04.160 I had to do a double take, you know, and I am and I really could have gone down a different

02:09:08.860 path when I tried to stab my mother and was stopped by her belt buckle.

02:09:13.500 Like, holy what did you just say?

02:09:15.400 Did he did that man just say that he tried to stab his single mother in Detroit and it

02:09:19.700 was stopped by a belt buckle.

02:09:21.540 This is the most insane thing I've ever heard.

02:09:24.300 And he's the only guy who has like a penthouse more gaudy than Trump or at least his house

02:09:29.360 in Florida.

02:09:29.920 Have you ever seen it?

02:09:31.360 No, no.

02:09:32.240 How have you seen it?

02:09:33.120 Well, it went for sale and it's like a gold plated bathtub surrounded by marble and like,

02:09:39.460 you know, like little naked baby angels.

02:09:41.380 And you're sitting there like this is this is clearly a guy who came from an inner city

02:09:44.940 single mother in Detroit.

02:09:46.240 And he now he's a pimp like he decided to go all in.

02:09:50.440 And I love it about him.

02:09:51.740 There are so many surprises.

02:09:53.280 Dr. Ben Carson.

02:09:53.900 Can I tell you so?

02:09:54.400 I freaking love him.

02:09:55.860 We did it.

02:09:56.260 We did a long profile on him when he announced for president back when I was on Fox.

02:09:59.960 And that that that poem that he said his mother made them read.

02:10:06.000 She kept it up, I think, in their house.

02:10:08.020 She couldn't read, but she she made them read it and she knew it.

02:10:11.140 It was by Mamie White Miller.

02:10:13.640 And I actually just pulled it up.

02:10:14.720 It's called Yourself to Blame.

02:10:15.920 And it explains everything that made Ben Carson with it, with a really tough background he had

02:10:22.940 going on to become the most respected pediatric neurosurgeon in the world, how he did it, this

02:10:29.720 mindset and this mindset.

02:10:30.940 I love it.

02:10:31.800 I want every kid to read it.

02:10:33.320 I want my kids to read it every day.

02:10:34.780 I want your kids to read it every day.

02:10:36.020 I want everyone's kids to read it every day.

02:10:37.520 So since we have some time, I'm going to read it.

02:10:39.540 It's very short.

02:10:40.820 It's Yourself to Blame.

02:10:42.020 If things go bad for you and make you a bit ashamed, often you will find out that you

02:10:47.120 have yourself to blame.

02:10:49.120 Swiftly, we ran to mischief.

02:10:51.000 And then the bad luck came.

02:10:53.160 Why do we fault others?

02:10:54.800 We have ourselves to blame.

02:10:57.000 Whatever happens to us, here is what we say.

02:10:59.700 Had it not been for so and so, things wouldn't have gone that way.

02:11:03.400 And if you are short of friends, I'll tell you what to do.

02:11:07.440 Make an examination.

02:11:09.140 You'll find the faults in you.

02:11:11.000 You're the captain of your ship, so agree with the same.

02:11:16.080 If you travel downward, you have yourself to blame.

02:11:20.480 Love, love, love.

02:11:23.620 P.S.

02:11:24.260 Make sure your mother wears a large belt buckle.

02:11:28.000 Because it kind of...

02:11:29.600 She said his mother's stuffed in the belt buckle.

02:11:31.800 You hear like World War II stories, like a ricochet from a bullet, you know, off of like

02:11:36.080 some piece of like a clasp.

02:11:38.400 His mom was saved by a belt buckle.

02:11:40.460 I mean, that's when people started to say, right, they did with Condoleezza Rice and Colin

02:11:43.020 Powell.

02:11:43.680 So, oh, they're not black when they were black Republicans.

02:11:45.600 Like, no, no, no, no.

02:11:46.160 Listen, Ben Carson was raised in inner city Detroit to a single black mom, okay?

02:11:50.220 This guy was not playing for the B team.

02:11:52.060 By your standards of black, this guy clearly had the black American experience.

02:11:56.340 And they still use the same thing.

02:11:58.980 Oh, God.

02:11:59.380 Did you see that thing the other night?

02:12:00.620 The other...

02:12:00.980 It was election night, I think.

02:12:02.420 Or, yeah.

02:12:03.380 Joy Reid, once again, God, she says the most bigoted things.

02:12:06.360 I'm sorry, but she does.

02:12:07.720 She's out there talking about whether we can trust this Supreme Court to decide a legal challenge

02:12:13.020 to the election results the right way.

02:12:14.400 And she says to Rachel Maddow, oh, would you trust Uncle Clarence to decide this legitimately?

02:12:22.180 Holy shit, right?

02:12:24.140 Like, Uncle Clarence?

02:12:26.340 It's so racist.

02:12:27.820 But she can get away with it because she's not even black.

02:12:30.820 She's liberal.

02:12:31.620 So they'll allow her to get away with it.

02:12:33.760 You know what?

02:12:34.280 I bet you if Clarence Thomas, if he could, if we had a fair press, he could be like,

02:12:38.440 well, better to trust Uncle Clarence than that crazy bitch Joy Reid.

02:12:41.300 And that's what he should say.

02:12:42.440 I love Clarence.

02:12:43.600 When I actually look, that's what turned Andrew Breitbart conservative.

02:12:46.580 And I tell everyone here in this office about...

02:12:50.000 Andrew Breitbart said, I don't know if you know this, he said he tuned into the Clarence

02:12:52.720 Thomas hearings to watch this guy get his comeuppance.

02:12:56.500 And he left saying, oh, my gosh, they're going to crucify this man.

02:12:59.240 It's a modern day lynching.

02:13:00.520 There are still people out there who think that what Anita Hill said checked out.

02:13:04.900 And here's something that's important.

02:13:06.040 What we do know, obviously, the thing that sort of people were, I guess, they were appalled

02:13:11.680 by was, you know, the eyelash and the cocaine.

02:13:14.060 He said, who put their pubic hair in my diet?

02:13:15.460 Cocaine.

02:13:16.040 I don't know, even when I heard that, I'm like, oh, I want to party with Clarence Thomas.

02:13:19.580 That's funny.

02:13:20.240 That's the guy who made a joke in the office.

02:13:21.500 Who does that offend?

02:13:22.360 How is that sexual harassment when you see a short, curly hair and someone's pubes' hair?

02:13:27.420 I'm like, good, good.

02:13:28.320 Okay, that sounds, seems like a guy who would be fun at a party.

02:13:30.900 It wasn't Anita Hill's word against Clarence Thomas.

02:13:34.160 It was Anita Hill's word against every single other woman, including women of color, who

02:13:39.200 worked for Clarence Thomas.

02:13:40.580 And, of course, the log books and the evidence and the statements from Anita Hill's friends,

02:13:44.580 which didn't check out.

02:13:46.420 So that's one of those things that they still, though, now, the Democrats, they still just

02:13:50.320 act like Clarence Thomas is guilty.

02:13:51.940 They talk that way.

02:13:53.080 Oh, well, you know what he's guilty of.

02:13:54.360 You know what he's guilty of.

02:13:55.420 They're not mad about that.

02:13:56.460 They're mad about him being a black conservative.

02:13:58.900 I mean, that is the ultimate betrayal.

02:14:00.140 That's why people like Candace Owens get it worse than anybody.

02:14:03.640 You know, Larry Elder, because that's the one thing you're not allowed to do is be black

02:14:07.820 and a conservative because they consider it a complete betrayal and you get called the

02:14:11.540 worst things.

02:14:12.140 By the way, if you have not seen Larry Elder's Uncle Tom, get it.

02:14:16.040 It's on YouTube right now.

02:14:17.060 You can download it for the low, low price of, I think, $17.

02:14:19.540 No, I'm not getting a piece of this.

02:14:20.680 I just loved it and thought it was really profound.

02:14:22.160 Um, it's like white people like to feel sorry for themselves for being called racist all

02:14:26.960 the time, which if you're a Republican, undoubtedly you have.

02:14:29.720 Um, try being a black conservative.

02:14:32.080 It's like you've got no team, right?

02:14:34.500 Like there's there's no nobody to back you on these really dicey race discussions.

02:14:39.980 That's changing.

02:14:40.800 And I refuse to watch that film ever since Larry Elder shaved his mustache.

02:14:44.140 I won't support any of his content.

02:14:45.300 I feel the same about David Axelrod.

02:14:48.220 I have to say, I miss David Axelrod's mustache.

02:14:51.120 Well, that's more out of disgust because you're like, that's that's what's under that thing

02:14:54.600 with Larry Elder.

02:14:55.440 It was just it was a very like it's hard to grow a mustache as good as he had.

02:14:58.420 David Axelrod needs a mustache or there is no lip.

02:15:00.580 It's just a crease.

02:15:01.920 Wait, can I just take one little diversion with you for a second?

02:15:04.440 Because I got to ask you while we're talking about news personalities, especially over at

02:15:07.460 CNN, like Axelrod.

02:15:09.240 Forgive me, it's complete non sequitur.

02:15:10.840 But what did you think of the Jeffrey Toobin thing?

02:15:12.500 OK, so here's the thing.

02:15:15.680 When the Jeffrey Toobin story came out, it was like, oh, there was an accident that happened

02:15:19.780 and some someone saw his, you know, his webcam.

02:15:22.360 And I thought, you don't fire a guy for that.

02:15:24.440 Like I have done hits on news, on Sky News and BBC where I wasn't I was wearing underwear,

02:15:30.200 but I wasn't wearing pants because underneath, you know, my desk.

02:15:32.860 So I thought, well, that's not a big deal till I found out the guy was actually masturbating

02:15:37.840 while live on a Zoom call.

02:15:39.220 And then Slate or Salon, the two run together, said, well, let's be honest, he's not, Jeffrey

02:15:44.800 Toobin is not the only person who masturbates during business calls.

02:15:48.100 We all do it.

02:15:48.840 He just got caught.

02:15:49.540 I'm like, no, no.

02:15:50.560 As a matter of fact, I think it's probably just you, just you and Jeffrey Toobin.

02:15:53.580 I do not masturbate on business conference calls.

02:15:56.420 So yeah, that's what I thought.

02:15:57.740 It was amazing though.

02:15:58.420 And CNN, Brian Stelter tweeted that out.

02:16:00.220 He tweeted out, you can see our full coverage of this story of Jeffrey Toobin.

02:16:04.440 And I clicked the link and it goes to CNN and it said that Jeffrey Toobin is taking a

02:16:08.480 temporary leave of absence due to personal reasons.

02:16:10.540 And so I said to Brian Stelter, I said, well, I appreciate that you said our full coverage

02:16:14.780 because you're letting us know that CNN's full coverage is not full coverage because

02:16:18.980 that's not the story.

02:16:19.560 Here's the thing I thought was the wackiest about that is in his apology.

02:16:22.800 This is what he said.

02:16:24.700 I believed I was not visible on Zoom.

02:16:27.560 I thought no one on the Zoom call could see me.

02:16:30.280 I thought I had muted the Zoom video.

02:16:33.560 So he knew he was still in the middle of the Zoom call.

02:16:37.400 He didn't even think it was off.

02:16:39.060 He thought he had hit mute.

02:16:40.960 The recklessness.

02:16:42.240 This must be a guy who is doing this all day, every day.

02:16:45.680 Which also means that he hasn't owned a remote control since 1992 because he doesn't know

02:16:50.340 what mute means.

02:16:53.200 I muted myself.

02:16:54.600 But what did you think?

02:16:55.180 You just thought they couldn't see it.

02:16:56.080 So what did you think the sound was on and not the video?

02:16:58.520 You thought that they just it sounded like you were what playing with silly putty?

02:17:02.340 Like, what did you think?

02:17:03.980 And meanwhile, they were in the middle at the New Yorker of like their election rehearsals.

02:17:08.580 And he was playing like the guy if they had to go to the courts, you know, what's happening

02:17:11.640 in the legal proceedings.

02:17:12.520 And something about that was a turn on that he felt he had to whip it out and start pleasuring

02:17:16.020 himself.

02:17:16.500 Like, are you kidding me?

02:17:17.580 What's there's something wrong with him?

02:17:19.500 Right.

02:17:19.840 I know.

02:17:20.300 Like, and this is the I have a lot of forgive, a lot of grace.

02:17:23.080 If Jeffrey Toobin, for example, just happened to be caught like someone filming.

02:17:27.340 This is a perfect example.

02:17:28.620 I had a friend in high school.

02:17:30.720 And this isn't a story that I'm necessarily part of.

02:17:32.340 But in Quebec, pornography is on television.

02:17:35.460 So there was something called bluenerie.

02:17:36.840 And it was like soft between softcore and hardcore pornography.

02:17:38.980 But it's well known on Quebec television, which ironically government funded, that at

02:17:43.560 1030 on Friday night, bluenerie came on.

02:17:45.860 And so it was kind of something all the boys talked about.

02:17:47.460 Well, I had a friend.

02:17:48.060 I won't name him.

02:17:48.920 But there was this other kid who was a compulsive liar.

02:17:50.960 They lived next door to each other.

02:17:52.880 And I'll just call the kid D.

02:17:54.680 And I remember C was the other friend.

02:17:56.340 He said, hey, guys, I caught D.

02:17:58.640 I saw him in his basement.

02:17:59.980 I could see him through his basement window masturbating to bluenerie for like an hour and

02:18:04.120 a half.

02:18:04.820 What a loser.

02:18:05.640 Right.

02:18:05.960 And I said, hey, hey, Calvin.

02:18:08.440 I said, hey, Calvin.

02:18:09.780 Even if it's embarrassing, what Dustin was doing is natural.

02:18:13.060 You watching him for an hour and a half is not like you're the creep here.

02:18:18.800 It's the same thing with someone is just like if someone is videotaping someone and they

02:18:22.360 don't know it and they're walking around naked.

02:18:24.780 If Jeffrey Toobin, like if someone hacked into his computer, I would say, no, absolutely.

02:18:29.520 You don't fire the guy.

02:18:30.940 No, the guy was doing a mock election scenario.

02:18:34.160 He thought he muted it and he was going to town on himself like it was his job.

02:18:39.120 I mean, that's like I've been in election rehearsals.

02:18:41.260 All that does is kill your sex drive.

02:18:42.680 That doesn't fire it up in any way, shape or form.

02:18:45.080 And for the guy to just try to hit mute before he whipped it out and pleasured himself tells

02:18:49.380 me there's something wrong with him because, of course, I mean, all the women out there

02:18:53.020 know there isn't a woman alive who would do anything like that.

02:18:56.060 But I don't I don't even want to say that because there isn't a man alive there.

02:18:59.320 Really, there are ninety nine percent of men would never do such a thing.

02:19:03.260 So there's something wrong with Jeffrey Toobin.

02:19:05.320 That's my final word on it.

02:19:06.460 Something wrong with him.

02:19:08.120 I think every every man would do it just as long as if they thought mute button worked.

02:19:12.580 But my point is, no, no.

02:19:14.780 So, well, I think I like listening to you on the issue of sex talk, not to sound too

02:19:18.940 weird, because I think, you know, given the way you you will tackle anything and you're

02:19:23.360 so open and, you know, you just, you know, holds barred.

02:19:26.260 This is one department in which you are more conservative.

02:19:28.740 You are a man of faith.

02:19:30.320 And you I'd say you're more old school in this department.

02:19:34.360 I love that you and your wife waited till marriage.

02:19:37.020 And I'm sure, weirdly, you've gotten a lot of shit for that.

02:19:40.060 Like people, they've actually given you a hard time.

02:19:42.400 Oh, yeah.

02:19:44.120 Yeah.

02:19:44.380 Amy Schumer really laid into me when I was on Red Eye about that a long time ago.

02:19:47.920 And then, you know, things times change.

02:19:51.100 Yeah.

02:19:51.500 You know, the reason I always talked about that, too.

02:19:53.480 And listen, the article, was it a little bit snippy?

02:19:56.200 Sure.

02:19:56.440 That I wrote it at Fox News.

02:19:57.480 It was one of the most popular articles, I guess, that year.

02:20:00.040 And it was just about not having sex until you're married.

02:20:03.100 And the reason I wrote about it is, listen, OK, in the realm of actors, I'm like a two.

02:20:07.340 Like I'm not a great looking guy.

02:20:08.440 In the realm of stand-up comedians, like I do OK.

02:20:11.320 Like I'm good looking enough that I could have sex if I really tried.

02:20:16.020 And my wife could have sex with anyone on the planet just by saying, yes, she's beautiful.

02:20:20.480 So often when Christians go out and say, we waited, it's like, yeah, I mean, you kind of,

02:20:26.040 this is the hand you were dealt.

02:20:27.380 And so I wanted to be very clear in not saying, like, we waited now.

02:20:31.520 It was easy because we wore purity rings.

02:20:32.920 No, it was one of the most difficult things that I've ever done in my life.

02:20:37.120 I probably walked around with an erection for three years.

02:20:41.400 We had to raise the furniture.

02:20:42.620 It was very, very difficult.

02:20:44.460 And I felt strong conviction.

02:20:47.240 It was felt strong conviction.

02:20:49.060 That's what it is.

02:20:49.520 And I want people out there to make who make that decision to not feel like there's anything

02:20:54.720 abnormal about it.

02:20:55.600 Because anytime that happens in a show, right, they show up, someone who's saying, oh, I'm

02:20:59.540 saying myself for marriage, they're secretly like the cheerleader slot, you know, secretly,

02:21:03.580 or they're some kind of a like crazy Christian serial killer.

02:21:06.600 No, no, no.

02:21:06.900 This is how we did things at one point in this country.

02:21:09.360 And there's a lot of, there are a lot of statistics to say to support that it's the

02:21:14.320 better way to go about sex.

02:21:17.020 And I could just make one argument.

02:21:19.420 Don't be, don't have sex before you're married.

02:21:21.200 Don't get sick and die.

02:21:22.000 Because there are STIs out there, there are STDs, and you avoid that.

02:21:25.940 But there are also issues where people we're seeing now, they get hung up with it.

02:21:29.540 And, you know, there's a connection that they create with people.

02:21:32.440 When you're, when you're training yourself to break up by having sex with everyone you're

02:21:36.700 in a relationship with, I, listen, from a faith perspective, I know what my God tells

02:21:43.280 me that that's not what we're supposed to be doing.

02:21:45.500 And then we now know from a psychological perspective that it can have some negative effects, particularly

02:21:50.020 on teenagers who've been told to just go and have free sex.

02:21:53.220 And more so for young women, really more for young women told, you're liberated, go and

02:21:58.080 have sex as much as you want.

02:21:59.100 You know what?

02:22:00.100 I've told my wife this, and she got pretty pissed at me when we first got married.

02:22:03.460 She said, are you saying that if you could have sex with that woman, you would?

02:22:08.620 I said, are you talking about if I'm not a Christian and we're not married and I have

02:22:10.860 no moral compass?

02:22:11.440 She goes, yeah, if all that's gone.

02:22:12.440 I said, yes, absolutely.

02:22:14.220 She goes, and you wouldn't, and then you wouldn't think about it.

02:22:16.500 And I said, nope.

02:22:17.760 I could literally have sex with anyone on this.

02:22:20.520 It was like The Bachelor, I think we watched.

02:22:21.660 I said, on this show, if I were not a Christian, I could have sex with any one of them.

02:22:25.100 I would have no emotional connection, and I could go have lunch tomorrow.

02:22:28.980 That's why men can cheat.

02:22:32.580 And it's wrong.

02:22:33.260 We have to curb our own innate sexual desires.

02:22:37.560 But that's not the same thing.

02:22:38.540 I'm not saying all women.

02:22:39.780 There are obviously exceptions.

02:22:41.140 But generally speaking, women often feel an intimacy.

02:22:45.060 Yeah, we're not mostly built like that.

02:22:48.080 I know.

02:22:48.600 And I look at this all the time because it's like, yes, of course, men, there's thousands

02:22:52.720 of years of evolution behind it, right?

02:22:54.200 It's like, but we're not monkeys.

02:22:56.020 You know, we can filter out our primal desires and not act on every single one of them, men

02:23:01.000 and women.

02:23:01.440 But I agree with you that it's a stronger situation for men.

02:23:04.740 I think they default to it more often than the women do.

02:23:07.220 And then I think a lot of young women mistake physical affection for love.

02:23:10.060 They think it's a connection that's beyond physical.

02:23:12.200 And they're looking for that.

02:23:13.520 They're looking for a connection beyond physical.

02:23:15.080 But the physical is what they think it's an easy price to pay, to feel loved, to feel

02:23:19.900 adored, to feel, I don't know, like you matter.

02:23:23.420 And I struggle with that.

02:23:25.180 I'll tell you, as a mom of I've got three kids, two boys and a girl.

02:23:29.580 And I want I would love it if they'd wait till marriage.

02:23:32.320 But if they don't want to do that, no problem.

02:23:34.840 No problem either.

02:23:35.280 As I said, I did not.

02:23:37.000 But I don't want them to to feel any shame around sex.

02:23:41.660 You know, like as a Catholic, I'm trying not not to because most of the Catholic Church

02:23:46.100 will communicate shame, trying not to communicate shame.

02:23:49.720 I want them like not to put too fine a point on it, but like I'd love for them to wait until

02:23:53.220 it's responsible and they're in love and they're old enough to handle all the stuff that comes

02:23:56.440 with it.

02:23:57.300 But then to be able to go to town without any shame whatsoever.

02:23:59.980 And like that is that is a like tough needle to thread.

02:24:02.920 And you know what the fact that my parents gave me the sex talk when I was three, I got

02:24:07.880 in trouble in preschool because Miss Miss Henderson was given the whole stork business.

02:24:13.000 And, you know, the thing was, she hurt her daughter was in my class.

02:24:16.380 And so she had to keep the lie alive.

02:24:17.680 And that's not where that's not where babies come from.

02:24:19.160 Let me break it down for you in medical terminology.

02:24:21.880 And that's because my parents never wanted me to think of it shamefully.

02:24:25.180 Um, but they wanted to present it in the context of marriage.

02:24:29.500 And it's funny when I wrote this article, Amy Schumer was, uh, on, um, we were on red

02:24:34.500 eye and she said, well, you know, you're writing this, but you actually don't know.

02:24:36.960 You're only in your twenties.

02:24:37.680 Maybe when you're in your thirties, you're going to be in some really freaky shit.

02:24:39.820 I said, yeah.

02:24:40.560 And I'll be, my wife will be right there with me.

02:24:43.180 Great.

02:24:44.120 Yeah.

02:24:44.540 I I'm very open about it.

02:24:45.940 And sometimes, uh, that's one thing where sometimes Christians get upset.

02:24:49.040 They think that I'm too, uh, that I'm a little bit too blunt.

02:24:52.200 Uh, no, if you have any questions about sex, I'm totally fine answering them.

02:24:56.460 And people just understand that, uh, when I talk about sex, it, uh, it's, it's in the

02:25:00.080 context of marriage.

02:25:01.260 Um, the marriage bed is undefiled.

02:25:03.660 Now, my issue, not my issue, but what I would say, my worry is when you say like, you know,

02:25:07.480 if they're in love, when you're talking about your daughters, it's really easy for a guy

02:25:10.540 to fake that, to lie to a girl.

02:25:12.660 And so they know the only way to not fake it to like, Hey, we actually is, is to be married.

02:25:16.640 There's like, it's an actual contract.

02:25:18.280 That's what I remember Amy Schumer saying, like, well, what you're just saying like, what, because

02:25:21.400 of what, because like marriage is some kind of a contract.

02:25:23.380 And I said, that's act, that's literally what it is.

02:25:25.880 But, but can I say something on this?

02:25:27.480 Let me say, let me speak to this because I can say, you know, I, my approach to it was

02:25:32.500 always not like, he must love me.

02:25:34.900 It was like, you don't deserve me.

02:25:37.480 I'm going to be very sparing with this gift because you don't deserve it.

02:25:41.980 Most of you don't deserve it.

02:25:43.960 And I, so like, that's how I always saw it.

02:25:45.760 Like no one's getting there unless they're amazing.

02:25:48.700 And like, it's going to take a while for me to figure out whether they're amazing and

02:25:52.040 worth it.

02:25:52.680 Remember like the Seinfeld episode, is he sponge worthy?

02:25:55.520 You know, you got to be sponge worthy.

02:25:57.220 And I think if you have that attitude as opposed to like, I don't know, he, he's got to love

02:26:02.220 me.

02:26:02.980 That that's not really how I looked at it.

02:26:04.800 It was just like, he, he has to be worthy.

02:26:08.860 And that kept my numbers relatively low.

02:26:10.880 Well, a fact of which I am proud and, um, disease free.

02:26:13.840 And, uh, it's nice.

02:26:15.820 Cause honestly now, like my husband doesn't have to walk around meeting like 55,000 former

02:26:20.160 friends and colleagues thinking you've been there too.

02:26:21.960 And you as, and you as well.

02:26:23.700 Okay, great.

02:26:24.480 You know, like I just very relieved.

02:26:26.080 He doesn't have to live like that.

02:26:27.660 Right.

02:26:28.140 I mean, you know what?

02:26:28.600 And some people give you flax and like, Oh look, Megan Kelly thinks she's so special

02:26:31.300 to, are you worth it?

02:26:32.000 And you know what?

02:26:32.500 Listen, first off, you're an attractive.

02:26:33.620 I think, you know, you, you know that you're prettier, that you're prettier than the average

02:26:36.280 gal.

02:26:36.520 Everyone listening knows it.

02:26:37.360 So shut up.

02:26:37.840 Try and don't act as though Megan Kelly isn't most likely prettier than you listening.

02:26:41.500 Of course she is.

02:26:42.540 I readily admitted by many leagues with myself, but not all women should feel that way.

02:26:48.500 Are you, do you really deserve it?

02:26:50.680 Because you know what guys give it out anyway.

02:26:53.280 It's like giving out those free t-shirts at a business conference that are printed on

02:26:56.440 an old Hanes or Gilden and you throw in the trash anyway.

02:26:59.020 You want a t-shirt and not really take a t-shirt.

02:27:02.600 It's also why when you're talking about girls who feel this emotional intimacy, you know, um,

02:27:06.860 there's a double standard and I'm okay and I'm not okay with, with statutory rape at

02:27:11.420 all of these female teachers and young men at all.

02:27:13.400 Let me be really clear, but there's a double standard and I understand it, right?

02:27:17.480 I understand why there's a double standard because a male person in a position of authority,

02:27:20.960 let's say a girl is, I don't know, 14 years old, but he abuses that authority.

02:27:25.380 And often the girl will have sex with them and they believe that there's some kind of an

02:27:28.400 emotional connection.

02:27:29.200 And, um, then they'll actually, the man will use it to manipulate a young girl, typically

02:27:34.080 speaking, uh, to do what it is that he wants because she feels like they have a connection.

02:27:38.500 You don't really see that.

02:27:39.880 That's what's interesting in a lot of these cases with like a teacher having sex with a

02:27:42.700 young boy, horrible, abhorrent.

02:27:43.900 I want to make sure that I'm, I'm being very clear about that, but it's not like this,

02:27:47.420 uh, this whole mech teacher has sex with a 14 year old and then the 14 year old does

02:27:52.160 whatever he wants.

02:27:52.880 She doesn't have the emotional manipulative control over him unless he really wants to have sex like

02:27:57.720 right then.

02:27:58.560 Cause if the teacher's like, Hey, I don't know where we had sex.

02:28:00.940 He's like, yeah, that was great.

02:28:02.240 Bye.

02:28:03.200 It's different.

02:28:03.980 I don't know if I agree with that.

02:28:05.160 I don't know if I agree with that.

02:28:06.180 I think that the grownup does have the emotional manipulative control, no matter the genders.

02:28:12.100 They do, but I'm talking to the same, put it this way, same way, even in, in relationships

02:28:16.240 with people who are, uh, of equal age boys just still just have sex and it doesn't mean

02:28:21.460 anything is my point.

02:28:22.660 Yeah.

02:28:22.760 Anytime you have, well, I think more often than not, that can be true, but there are boys who are emotionally

02:28:26.780 needy.

02:28:27.360 They want a connection.

02:28:28.140 I mean, it's actually kind of sweet.

02:28:29.120 One of the things I love to see in young love is how, you know, boys who are like on their

02:28:32.840 own and they're tough guys and they're like, whatever.

02:28:34.480 And then they meet a girl and they fall in love with her and then they become super needy

02:28:37.380 and they want to hold her all the time.

02:28:38.580 And then you see them asleep together on the couch or on a hammock or on the beach.

02:28:41.560 And it's like, Oh, I love that, that sort of evolution of young love.

02:28:45.900 But can I ask you, cause since you did wait and you managed to do that and you are a good

02:28:50.300 looking guy, so I'm sure you had opportunity.

02:28:52.860 Well, how do you do that?

02:28:53.860 Like, how do I teach my sons to do that?

02:28:57.420 Ooh, uh, it's, it's really, it's tough.

02:29:00.560 Um, I think the biggest thing is just avoiding those situations.

02:29:03.280 So when I was on the road doing standup, um, and like I said, when you're on the road doing

02:29:07.380 standup, you know, and you're like Hasbrook Heights, New Jersey at the hotel, uh, bananas

02:29:11.500 or whatever it is.

02:29:12.580 Um, it, it is like, people don't like hearing this, but when you're on stage and you're in

02:29:16.800 a position of power and you're in a room of a few hundred people and a few hundred people

02:29:19.760 are looking at you, it makes it a lot easier if you are trying to find a suitor.

02:29:24.380 Um, but I never had any women up to my hotel room.

02:29:27.320 Um, you know, I followed the Mike Pence rule, uh, even with, even over there at Fox news,

02:29:31.600 there were only three people who I ever went to, uh, meals with, um, by myself.

02:29:37.980 And, uh, two of them were substantially older.

02:29:39.960 And another one was actually, was well known that she had worked with someone there and she

02:29:42.760 was, she was engaged.

02:29:43.620 So, um, you just have to avoid those situations in the first place.

02:29:47.280 And then when you're in a relationship, you have to be in a relationship with someone else

02:29:51.400 who is also on the same page.

02:29:53.180 Cause I'll tell you what, I had moments of weakness and so did my wife.

02:29:56.200 So there were some times where I was just like, come on.

02:29:58.540 And then, you know, uh, my wife was like, no.

02:30:00.540 And afterwards I was like, well, okay, good.

02:30:01.900 I'm glad that we didn't do it.

02:30:02.700 And by the way, let me be really clear about this too.

02:30:04.000 I was just talking with Brian Callen.

02:30:06.060 When I say we didn't have sex, my wife and my wife and I did not have sex.

02:30:08.940 We did not have sex.

02:30:09.680 So people think I'm being blunt.

02:30:11.460 I mean, no BJs.

02:30:12.740 There was no, there was no oral sex definition of is, it might've been, there was some heavy

02:30:16.980 petting.

02:30:17.420 Okay.

02:30:17.680 There's some heavy petting over that.

02:30:19.000 That's it.

02:30:19.560 But I bet there was some two bins.

02:30:22.120 There are some two bins, but I didn't do it with her on the zoom.

02:30:26.900 That was when I did it alone in the dark and then felt ashamed of myself afterward.

02:30:31.080 Not for sex, just because, you know, it's myself.

02:30:34.520 There is a little something there.

02:30:37.140 Oh gosh, I couldn't even just, I'm an animal.

02:30:39.780 Um, but, uh, yeah, no, that's, I would say avoid those situations and have a good support

02:30:44.500 group.

02:30:45.300 And then, and then can, can I ask, cause I know you wrote about it, have a good support

02:30:48.260 group and avoid the situations.

02:30:49.280 But when, when I know you wrote, like when you finally got to the wedding night, it was

02:30:52.740 like, oh, like you knew what to do.

02:30:56.120 And it wasn't like fumbling.

02:30:57.320 And it was all like, you, you guys figured it out.

02:31:00.000 Was it as great as you thought it was going to be?

02:31:01.900 I'm actually more interested in her than you.

02:31:03.920 Cause I'm sure it was great for you.

02:31:05.680 Well, uh, listen, everyone knows for a woman, obviously the first time is difficult.

02:31:10.340 It's I don't, here's the thing.

02:31:11.540 I don't want to speak for her because it would be wrong, but I will say this.

02:31:15.160 It doesn't have to be perfect the first time, just like you don't have to be perfect

02:31:18.020 when you get married.

02:31:18.700 That's the reason you marry the woman of your youth.

02:31:20.080 Cause you learn together, you get better together.

02:31:22.460 And what I will say, and I don't think a lot of couples can say is, uh, you know, barring

02:31:27.500 like, obviously when my wife went through, you know, surgery with endometriosis, like

02:31:30.560 there are things, there's a dry, there's a dry spell there barring these unforeseen

02:31:33.960 incidents or extreme circumstances.

02:31:35.460 Our sex life today is better than it was yesterday.

02:31:38.180 And most marriages don't get to say that.

02:31:41.400 So that's something that's pretty cool.

02:31:43.060 We both learned what we, and also as Christians, it's esteem your spouse first.

02:31:47.060 So that's pretty cool as a guy.

02:31:48.380 Cause basically barring some kind of thing that is actually like seriously demeaning or

02:31:52.440 causes physical harm.

02:31:53.440 If I'm like, Hey, sweetheart, I want to try this.

02:31:54.800 She's like, well, well, if that makes you happy.

02:31:56.320 And same thing, if my wife says, this is what I would like, I go, well, listen, if that's

02:31:59.160 what makes you happy, Amy Schumer said, we'd be into some freaky stuff in my thirties.

02:32:04.240 Confirmed Megan.

02:32:05.200 And I love it.

02:32:09.100 Can I tell you, I just, I will say that esteem your spouse first works.

02:32:12.400 I mean, that's, if I had one piece of marital advice for anybody, um, well, it's, it's

02:32:17.460 keep the fights clean and the sex dirty.

02:32:19.860 But after that, it's use your most generous lens and looking at your spouse, like interpret

02:32:25.120 everything they do with the most generous lens, because that keeps kindness coming from

02:32:28.220 you and then coming back to you.

02:32:29.960 And it affects everything in your marriage in a very positive way, including sex.

02:32:34.040 Like if you, if your partner wants to take risks with you and you're kind of pissed off

02:32:37.960 at him and you don't, you know, you're just irritated by him.

02:32:40.160 You don't want, you don't want to do that.

02:32:41.560 And you don't want to please him.

02:32:42.540 And you're kind of just as a woman, you're like, screw you, you know, like I, I'm not

02:32:45.680 into it, but if you and he have this generous lens on, you love each other and you connected

02:32:49.660 emotionally several times during the day, everything works out a lot better for both parties.

02:32:54.960 No, you're absolutely right.

02:32:56.000 And the other advice that I would give to people is, uh, you know, work on yourself instead

02:32:59.380 of trying to fix your partner.

02:33:01.300 And that, by the way, that also applies to, that applies both to your marriage and to sex,

02:33:05.180 cut your nails for God's sake, just work on yourself before you try and tell them what

02:33:09.060 they need to do.

02:33:10.040 And also never floss your teeth in front of your partner.

02:33:12.540 Ever.

02:33:13.000 There are certain things you should not do in front of a person who you want to have

02:33:15.940 sex with.

02:33:16.340 You just, there's no reason for them to see you doing that.

02:33:18.260 No, no reason.

02:33:19.120 Close the door when you go on the potty, like just do certain things that like, if I, sometimes

02:33:23.780 I just say like, I, I do not want to have that image in my head of the person I have

02:33:27.840 sex with.

02:33:28.240 I just never want to have it in there.

02:33:29.300 So I think you can protect yourself with some barriers.

02:33:32.300 No, no, no, no.

02:33:33.000 We're gonna have to unpack this.

02:33:33.820 There's a difference between taking a dump in front of your spouse without the door closed and

02:33:38.540 practicing proper dental hygiene.

02:33:41.020 No, no, there isn't.

02:33:42.540 How do you, how do you like want to have sex with somebody who just had like food flying

02:33:46.740 out of his mouth from the, the floss going in between the choppers?

02:33:49.920 It's disgusting.

02:33:50.500 And it makes a terrible sound like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.

02:33:53.680 I can't even like, I don't even like cutting of the toenails.

02:33:56.320 I used to have an office mate.

02:33:57.940 I'm not going to name who it was.

02:33:59.060 It was a man in my professional life.

02:34:01.160 My husband doesn't do this, but he was to take off his shoe and sock in the office and

02:34:05.040 cut his nails, his toenails in front of me.

02:34:07.560 There are certain things.

02:34:09.020 I don't know if I speak for all women, but I can say, I don't want to see my partner

02:34:13.520 do.

02:34:14.220 And like, you're, you're a man.

02:34:15.440 So you're always trying to increase your odds of your wife saying yes.

02:34:18.160 And why wouldn't you do these little things just to increase the odds?

02:34:21.520 Well, I don't know why you're that the way you're describing it, that you sounds like

02:34:24.540 you're practicing flossing, like a contact sport.

02:34:26.820 So maybe that's another problem.

02:34:28.740 That's not it is.

02:34:31.100 How do you not contact while you're having floss?

02:34:33.500 You got to really get in there and your teeth are really smushed together.

02:34:36.160 They make weird noises and there's food in there.

02:34:38.220 I mean, like the whole goal is to get something that's stuck in there, out of there.

02:34:41.320 And I don't want to see that.

02:34:43.400 Maybe it's a me thing.

02:34:44.880 I just do it because otherwise my dentist gets mad at going, yeah, you're not been flossing.

02:34:48.740 It's like, well, sorry, I didn't mean to ruin your whole month.

02:34:50.460 So go back to jamming sharp metal knives in my mouth.

02:34:53.640 So that's the only reason I do it is because I don't want to be admonished by my dentist.

02:34:57.500 Man, they know too.

02:34:58.960 They, they, they've got an x-ray to your soul.

02:35:01.360 As soon as you go in there, you're like, have you, have you been flossing?

02:35:03.180 Yes, definitely.

02:35:03.920 And they know the truth.

02:35:05.380 Next thing you see that evil water pick cleaner, which is like something from the devil.

02:35:10.780 Have you ever had that one?

02:35:12.260 Oh yeah.

02:35:12.640 The water pick.

02:35:13.200 And they're like, ah, why do you want this thing?

02:35:14.480 We put it in your mouth.

02:35:15.240 Do you want a bubble gum flavored or cinnamon?

02:35:17.200 Like, oh, do you mean a hobo's sphincter?

02:35:20.460 Or trash bag?

02:35:21.900 I guess I'll go with trash bag.

02:35:23.480 I think we're getting a little loose with the definition calling this bubble gum or

02:35:26.780 cinnamon.

02:35:27.420 If I actually engage my gag reflex, you screwed up the bubble gum flavor.

02:35:35.960 I'm going to have to leave it at hobo sphincter.

02:35:37.820 I feel like that's a good, that's a good sort of spike the ball moment.

02:35:41.180 All right.

02:35:41.780 All right.

02:35:42.180 Well, that works for me.

02:35:43.480 Hey, Megan, thank you so much for having me on the show.

02:35:45.540 I really do appreciate it.

02:35:46.520 And, uh, you know, I think this, I think this form works really well for you.

02:35:50.120 I think, uh, I think you're sometimes limited by when you were on television, you're, you're

02:35:53.680 actually a good conversational, you're a good conversationalist who actually takes an interest

02:35:56.940 in people.

02:35:57.640 And I don't think you're, even if you do take an interest in people, you can't take that

02:36:01.680 much of an interest in people when, you know, we talk about Fox news or those kinds

02:36:06.440 of, those kinds of scenarios.

02:36:08.100 It's like, don't get too attached because you don't really get to dig deep.

02:36:10.900 Yeah, no, that's true.

02:36:12.600 It's been a, it's been such a joy of this new format to be able to actually have real

02:36:18.000 conversations and not be constantly getting wrapped in your ear, wrap, wrap.

02:36:21.780 And Canadian Debbie, she, when she really wanted me to stop talking, she would give

02:36:24.400 me the red wrap, red wrap.

02:36:25.880 Like, okay, but there's no more red wrap.

02:36:28.520 And I am, I am loving it.

02:36:30.020 And I have to say, I want to tell the viewers that we sat down three hours ago and I told

02:36:34.900 Steven, it's going to be an hour.

02:36:36.080 And here we are pulling a Joe Rogan three hours later, but you're such an interesting guy.

02:36:40.340 You're, I love your, I just love your free will and nature.

02:36:43.320 There's nothing you won't talk about.

02:36:45.000 You're very honest and good God.

02:36:47.180 Are you funny?

02:36:47.900 You're so funny.

02:36:48.840 I'm going to start watching the show more regularly and not just when I'm on it.

02:36:52.560 Well, thank you.

02:36:53.420 I appreciate it.

02:36:54.160 And, uh, I think, uh, I think this is going to be, I think I'm going to be really interested

02:36:59.040 to watch, uh, your journey as you do this completely in the way that you want to do it with no other

02:37:04.260 voices, because that's the Megan Kelly that I want to see.

02:37:06.120 Oh, my thanks to Steven Crowder for that.

02:37:10.940 I do not remember when I have laughed that hard in an interview is the impressions of,

02:37:16.600 uh, Justin Trudeau and Ben Carson's mother had me in tears.

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02:37:52.840 Next week on the show, we're going to have Clay Travis and Dennis Prager on Monday.

02:37:56.920 Those guys are good.

02:37:58.180 They're both really deep thinkers who come at every issue from a different angle.

02:38:03.080 And, uh, I'm, I've never interviewed them even individually, nevermind together.

02:38:07.240 But I've, I've been interviewed by Clay who is a thoughtful guy and he's been sort of out

02:38:11.980 fighting this cancel culture war on the sports side, you know, pointing out how woke ESPN has

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02:38:17.680 And that's why some of those guys don't like him, but I do.

02:38:21.320 So he and Dennis are coming on the show and we're going to have a great discussion.

02:38:24.320 Have a great weekend.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 06, 2020

Steven Crowder on the Media, Tech Platforms and Marriage ｜ Ep. 21

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