The Megyn Kelly Show - Sydney Sweeney's Return to Cultural Normalcy, Possible Diddy Pardon, and Epstein Media Drama, with Walter Kirn and Alexis Wilkins

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00:00:46.260 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:58.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:13.160 Okay, but we begin with Walter Kern.

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00:02:36.020 Walter, welcome back.

00:02:37.040 Great to see you.

00:02:37.940 Great to be back.

00:02:39.380 Okay, so the Sidney Sweeney thing to me is interesting on a number of levels.

00:02:43.760 And just for the people who haven't seen the story, it's everywhere.

00:02:47.560 But she's an American actress. 0.99

00:02:49.180 She's beautiful.

00:02:50.040 She's blonde. 1.00

00:02:50.480 She's got blue eyes and white skin. 1.00

00:02:54.560 And she's in this American Eagle ad for their genes.

00:02:58.340 And the tagline is, Sidney Sweeney has good genes.

00:03:02.740 And now the left is completely freaked out over it, saying that this is about eugenics and

00:03:08.380 white supremacy.

00:03:09.240 I'm going to show the audience just some of the reaction because these nutcases, people

00:03:16.420 need to know what they're sounding like.

00:03:18.160 Here's a montage we put together.

00:03:19.380 Saw 23.

00:03:20.900 Did American Eagle just run an ad for eugenics?

00:03:23.960 Praising Sidney Sweeney for her great genes in the context of her white, blonde hair, blue

00:03:30.900 eye appearance.

00:03:31.640 It is one of the loudest and most obvious racialized dog whistles we've seen and heard 0.65

00:03:37.440 in a while.

00:03:38.280 Should we be surprised that a company whose name is literally American Eagle is making

00:03:42.780 fascist propaganda like this?

00:03:44.900 Probably not.

00:03:46.060 But it's still really shocking.

00:03:47.800 Like a blonde haired, blue eyed, white woman is talking about her good genes. 1.00

00:03:55.940 Like that is Nazi propaganda.

00:03:58.940 And you put out an ad of a white, blonde, blue eyed, Hitler's wet dream talking about 0.66

00:04:05.640 how much she loves her genetics.

00:04:07.120 It would still be fucking weird.

00:04:09.200 But then you add the fact that the nation is on its last fucking leg promoting this

00:04:14.600 Christian nationalism, white supremacist, fascist bigot bullshit alongside a leader that has 0.80

00:04:22.280 explicitly stressed the importance of being gene rich as opposed to gene natural, which

00:04:29.900 falls alongside a lot of the same things that fucking Hitler promoted back in Nazi Germany. 0.69

00:04:36.600 And it's not too hard to see that this shit is Nazi propaganda.

00:04:40.800 No if and the motherfucking butts.

00:04:43.000 It's literally eugenics. 0.94

00:04:48.080 Walter, here's a little quiz for you.

00:04:50.220 See if you can get this right.

00:04:51.600 What one common thing do you notice among all of those women? 1.00

00:04:56.700 That they're less attractive than Sydney Sweeney.

00:05:00.220 There we go.

00:05:01.120 I mean, literally everyone on earth is, but these women are particularly, we might say genetically 1.00

00:05:06.740 challenged.

00:05:08.200 Yes.

00:05:08.660 Well, what's funny about good genes is that when I first saw the ad, I thought it was a

00:05:14.440 joke about her, you know, two most prominent assets, you know. 1.00

00:05:19.500 Same, yes.

00:05:20.220 The idea that it was about her skin or her blue eyes.

00:05:23.600 I'm sorry, as a red-blooded American male, it's not her blue eyes or her skin that I first

00:05:30.160 see when I look at that picture.

00:05:32.040 You know, I was just in Times Square, Megan, just the other day, and there is a huge video

00:05:39.200 billboard in Times Square, a full motion video billboard in which she's lying on a, maybe

00:05:48.120 a bed, she's lying on the ground and she's blowing kisses down at the crowds in the audience.

00:05:54.240 And I saw as many people of all sorts of races looking up at her, wishing that they were in

00:06:01.020 that room with her as, you know, I can tell you, it cut across all lines.

00:06:08.880 Yes.

00:06:09.540 So to me, it's very interesting.

00:06:11.600 I mean, it's predictable that this is where the left went with it.

00:06:14.140 But I think that this ad is resonating for a number of reasons.

00:06:18.500 Yes, of course, she's gorgeous. 0.99

00:06:20.360 And just like all models, people will happily pay to look at that.

00:06:25.780 Like there are American Eagle accurately deduced they would pay her because people would want 1.00

00:06:31.540 to look at her and that they would be drawn to their product if they saw this beautiful

00:06:35.700 woman wearing it.

00:06:36.520 They were absolutely right.

00:06:37.720 But I think there's a couple of things happening here.

00:06:39.720 Yes, of course, it's it does say hotness is back.

00:06:42.280 And that's an important moment in 2025.

00:06:44.900 We were sick of.

00:06:45.940 Didn't Justin Timberlake say that once sexy was back?

00:06:49.620 Why didn't they get on him?

00:06:50.860 You know, then it went out again.

00:06:54.200 We've been suffering with the elevation of objectively homely people in our modeling ads and our fitness

00:07:01.040 ads for years now.

00:07:02.880 And we're over it.

00:07:03.860 We miss attractive people.

00:07:06.100 That's it.

00:07:06.580 Like we're sick of trying to pretend that these objectively unattractive people are the new

00:07:11.440 beauty standard.

00:07:12.340 They're not.

00:07:13.020 No one ever took to it.

00:07:13.940 They tried to cancel Jordan Peterson for saying things like that.

00:07:17.200 He was right.

00:07:18.320 Like there is an objective standard of beauty, at least insofar as American cultural values

00:07:24.520 go.

00:07:24.820 It has nothing to do with white skin.

00:07:27.100 Whitney Houston was probably one of the most beautiful Americans ever to walk the earth.

00:07:30.700 It's just you know it when you see it.

00:07:32.420 It tends to involve symmetrical features.

00:07:34.360 It tends to involve thinness or fitness.

00:07:37.740 It tends to involve, in many cases, they say wide set eyes, larger lips, thin nose.

00:07:43.840 There's all sorts of things that people are naturally attracted to.

00:07:46.740 You can have it if you're black.

00:07:47.940 You can have it if you're white, brown, whatever.

00:07:50.660 But here's what I wanted to say.

00:07:53.320 This is the piece that no one's saying.

00:07:55.300 And I think we should say it because it's real.

00:07:57.580 And there's nothing wrong with it.

00:07:59.280 We're sick and fucking tired of the nonsense where you are not allowed to ever celebrate

00:08:07.920 someone who is white and blonde and blue eyed, that we have to walk into a room apologetic

00:08:14.680 for those things or we have for the past five years.

00:08:17.080 And in a way, this ad is the final declaration that we're done doing that shit.

00:08:22.140 It doesn't mean we're better, but you know what?

00:08:25.560 We're no worse than any other race or any other hair color or eye color.

00:08:30.320 And we're fucking sick of being told that we are by having all of our representation,

00:08:35.980 to use the left's terms, removed from television shows and movies and historical plot lines

00:08:43.880 that involve people who do look like us.

00:08:46.600 But suddenly we've been deemed too offensive to remain white, like Anne Boleyn, who needed

00:08:54.900 to be changed into a black woman in order to appeal to people's cultural sensitivities 1.00

00:08:59.280 or, you know, stupid stuff like, oh, they had to change Hermione Granger in the play version 1.00

00:09:05.000 of Harry Potter into a black, well, a black girl, because something's offensive, I guess, 0.99

00:09:10.580 about the redheaded white girl.

00:09:11.960 It's we're done with that bullshit.

00:09:14.100 And by the way, that was bullshit anyway, because you don't get representation for other

00:09:19.780 races by erasing the white people and the roles that they've filled and replacing them 1.00

00:09:25.520 with people of color.

00:09:26.620 You create new roles, create new stories and put black people and Hispanic people and Asian

00:09:32.020 people and all the people in the starring roles there and create new art with that.

00:09:36.840 The answer was never to go back and start scrubbing Peter Pan to make Tinkerbell something

00:09:43.880 other than a white girl with yellow hair, which is another one that they touched and are trying

00:09:49.220 to do.

00:09:49.560 Or Snow White now has to be Latina instead of a white woman with black hair. 1.00

00:09:55.940 We're sick of the bullshit.

00:09:57.940 It's OK to say a white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes is gorgeous with great genes, period. 1.00

00:10:05.120 Marilyn Monroe would agree.

00:10:09.860 Marlena Dietrich would agree.

00:10:11.760 All the film stars of my youth who had these characteristics were celebrated and not for

00:10:21.720 their whiteness, but for their beauty.

00:10:24.000 I don't like it when there's one word for a very complex phenomena.

00:10:28.500 When I was a kid, we weren't white.

00:10:30.460 There were Italians, there were Scandinavians, there were Puerto Ricans, there were this,

00:10:34.920 there were that.

00:10:36.020 Now they want to force it all into one box, one category, and then they want to make it

00:10:41.380 controversial.

00:10:42.880 And I refuse to buy into it.

00:10:45.620 She is a lovely young woman.

00:10:48.360 Too young for me, unfortunately.

00:10:50.700 But not for those crowds in Times Square.

00:10:54.580 And she fills a great Hollywood tradition of the bombshell.

00:11:02.020 She's the bombshell.

00:11:03.500 And bombshells used to have certain characteristics that had nothing to do with white supremacy.

00:11:08.840 In fact, Marilyn Monroe married a socialist playwright named Arthur Miller.

00:11:14.740 He was terrible to her.

00:11:16.940 He wasn't, yes.

00:11:18.760 Or Joe DiMaggio.

00:11:20.100 You know, there was all sorts of complexity to being white before, but now it's just this 0.98

00:11:27.240 big stamp on your file.

00:11:29.660 And I'd like to go back to a little bit broader distinctions.

00:11:35.240 And I, but for me, the news of Sidney Sweeney is that heterosexuality is legal again. 0.87

00:11:41.980 I think that there is going to be a baby boom in nine months, because I think a lot of those 0.98

00:11:48.320 people in Times Square who were staying in the hotels around Times Square went home with a

00:11:53.440 little more of a spring in their step after she blew them kisses.

00:11:58.120 You're not wrong.

00:12:00.120 We've been just living through a five-year period where we were told we needed to celebrate

00:12:04.620 Dylan Mulvaney as the new female beauty standard.

00:12:09.360 It's a no.

00:12:10.360 Finally, we have an actual woman with amazing breasts and an obviously kick-ass body who 1.00

00:12:16.800 is in a dress or in her jeans, whatever.

00:12:19.620 And it's wonderful.

00:12:20.580 It's like, yes, you know what?

00:12:22.380 That's what red-blooded American men want to see.

00:12:24.900 And it's what most red-blooded American women at one point or another kind of hoped they might 0.95

00:12:29.980 turn out to be.

00:12:31.120 Whether we did or not is a different story, but we can admire it and appreciate it as an

00:12:34.560 ideal.

00:12:34.840 You know, my son, who looks a lot like me, only younger, his first celebrity sighting

00:12:42.140 was Halle Berry in a line for a seafood joint in Malibu. 0.55

00:12:46.360 And he said, who is she?

00:12:47.680 And I said, why?

00:12:48.860 He wasn't even at the age he was supposed to appreciate feminine beauty.

00:12:52.880 I think he was nine.

00:12:54.660 And she said, she's the most beautiful person I've ever seen.

00:12:58.220 She is.

00:12:59.240 You know, it's like our son was taking swim lessons when he was a real little guy in

00:13:04.620 the single digits.

00:13:05.860 And there was a very attractive lifeguard.

00:13:08.780 And we said, hey, you know, like, why do you like her so much?

00:13:12.480 Because he kept looking at her.

00:13:13.280 He kept wanting to do those swim lessons.

00:13:14.500 He was like, OK, it's time.

00:13:15.580 I got to go practice.

00:13:16.560 And we said, why do you like her so much?

00:13:17.800 And he said, because she looks so good.

00:13:21.220 I mean, like, there's, we're programmed.

00:13:24.360 Most heterosexual people are programmed this way.

00:13:27.380 It's what is necessary to the continuation of the human race.

00:13:31.360 It's only in the past five, 10, 15 years, I'll give it, where we've tried to shame that

00:13:37.520 out of American men, try to make them feel toxically masculine.

00:13:41.400 If they have those thoughts, try to tell us, I'm sorry about this woman over here on the 1.00

00:13:46.220 left.

00:13:46.560 I speak the truth in my Calvins.

00:13:48.640 Yes.

00:13:48.920 OK, she's a black woman, but she's obese and nobody wanted to put on their Calvins, which 1.00

00:13:54.160 here she's wearing underwear by look from looking at this over here on the right. 1.00

00:13:59.380 You want to join the rodeo and be in a full jean outfit by the close of day, given how

00:14:05.160 she's portraying these.

00:14:07.580 And remember, and remember, this is fashion.

00:14:10.100 Fashion changes because this has been suppressed for so long.

00:14:13.960 She has extra power. 0.99

00:14:15.780 Listen, there are probably 20 models of her type who are also damned attractive. 1.00

00:14:21.900 And if they were flooded into our consciousness for five solid years, we'd probably want to

00:14:27.120 see something else.

00:14:29.100 But because they have taken her type and suppressed it, it's called the return of the repressed 0.98

00:14:34.280 in Freudian psychology.

00:14:36.620 Whatever you keep down, when you try to put a beach ball under the surface of your pool,

00:14:41.760 it will pop up.

00:14:43.040 And she has popped up with a vengeance.

00:14:45.780 And I love it.

00:14:47.180 It keeps my mind alive.

00:14:48.320 It keeps my body alive.

00:14:49.380 It keeps the culture alive.

00:14:50.480 And if they want to make a villain of her or cast a narrative around her that's Nazi-ish,

00:14:57.000 go ahead, because we aren't listening.

00:14:59.180 We're looking.

00:14:59.760 No, not at all.

00:15:01.020 It's the Streisand effect.

00:15:02.580 It's had the effect of amplifying her ads and her way more than American Eagle could ever

00:15:09.640 have hoped for.

00:15:10.460 Their stock is up 20%.

00:15:12.500 She's made them hundreds of millions of dollars. 1.00

00:15:15.820 I saw the estimate at 200 million.

00:15:17.320 I don't know whether that's true, but she's increased their stock by 20%.

00:15:21.760 So the great thing is, Walter, we're going to get a whole lot more of it.

00:15:25.780 Yes.

00:15:26.280 And we're going to get it in real life.

00:15:27.940 We're going to get people imitating this look.

00:15:30.280 We're going to get people in American Eagle jean shirts unbuttoned to the nth degree.

00:15:35.980 Hey, this is going to be good for the environment, culturally, I think.

00:15:40.820 Yes.

00:15:41.260 You're going to have a bunch of people going as this on Halloween with a white supremacist

00:15:45.520 sign pinned on.

00:15:47.640 I can only imagine what's happening in this young woman's real life.

00:15:51.620 She's gotten very famous mostly because of her incredible beauty over the past couple 1.00

00:15:57.180 of years.

00:15:57.540 She's had some roles, but not something hugely breakout.

00:16:01.440 I knew her from, oh God, what's the White Lotus?

00:16:05.720 She was great in the White Lotus, season one.

00:16:08.280 She was great.

00:16:09.020 And she's done some of it.

00:16:09.740 But she's really gotten very famous for her beauty and her sex appeal, which is there 1.00

00:16:14.280 in spades.

00:16:15.020 But now she's a household name thanks to this ad. 0.90

00:16:18.200 And I have to say, good for American Eagle for doing it, because it was a bit of a risk.

00:16:24.340 We're not totally post-woke, but I have to tie it to what happened in November of 2024.

00:16:31.880 Trump won.

00:16:33.520 And it was the end of the fever swamp we were in.

00:16:39.340 It was the end.

00:16:40.280 It was like the unofficial or maybe the official end of all that nonsense, which has been dwindling

00:16:44.500 ever since and will continue to dwindle.

00:16:46.300 But it was the American people in part saying, we're done with that bullshit.

00:16:51.220 We're not doing it anymore.

00:16:52.500 And in some ways, it too was the return of people being attractive.

00:16:57.540 You know, the magazine cover on New York Magazine, they tried to shame the MAGA Republicans.

00:17:01.540 And it was all these young beauties, all these gorgeous young women and gorgeous young men

00:17:06.440 like leaning into looking good and dressing well and celebrating their youth and their virality.

00:17:12.860 Like, fucking, yes, we're not going to be shamed out of that stuff anymore.

00:17:19.300 Well, you know, Megan, political types don't like beauty because it can't be subjugated to 0.93

00:17:26.760 slogans.

00:17:27.860 It's something that either works or it doesn't.

00:17:30.020 It's the same reason they don't like comedy.

00:17:32.080 It's either funny or it's not.

00:17:34.000 You're either beautiful or you're not.

00:17:35.600 And you can't subordinate that to agendas and issues and other things.

00:17:42.640 It tells us we're alive first and political second.

00:17:46.460 And people who want us to be political first simply don't like its power.

00:17:52.460 Yeah.

00:17:52.700 Well, it's attractiveness is nice for sure.

00:17:55.660 People like to look at it and attractive people.

00:17:57.440 But also extremely attractive are clever people who are smart, very attractive, irrespective

00:18:04.800 of of the looks.

00:18:06.720 If you find a clever person who has a smart brain, that's good.

00:18:10.780 That's a good person to marry. 0.98

00:18:12.120 And what we see on the left is that they've abandoned that.

00:18:16.160 Like, that's the whole thing with Stephen Colbert.

00:18:18.400 He actually isn't clever.

00:18:19.720 You listen to his jokes.

00:18:20.760 They're not clever.

00:18:22.040 Maybe he's smart.

00:18:22.820 I don't have seen no evidence of it.

00:18:24.160 He goes for, like, the cheapest, most obvious jokes about Trump that only make people clap,

00:18:30.700 not not laugh.

00:18:31.580 All he uses are the applause and the laugh tracks.

00:18:36.080 He's using laugh tracks on that show because no one's actually laughing.

00:18:40.120 It's like as opposed to take a Greg Gutfeld, who is clever and brilliant.

00:18:46.060 And that's why he works.

00:18:47.600 That's why that show has lasted, unlike the Colbert.

00:18:50.480 But all those things are back in style now.

00:18:52.480 You can be irreverent.

00:18:53.620 You can be witty.

00:18:55.580 You can unleash it.

00:18:56.760 You can be inappropriate.

00:18:57.980 If it's funny, go for it.

00:19:00.220 What you can't be is dull, boring, and unattractive is not really a bonus in life.

00:19:04.600 Let's face it.

00:19:06.120 Well, I just hope that Sidney Sweeney does what Elizabeth Taylor did and marries or at least

00:19:14.120 starts going out with somebody like Mickey Rooney, a very small but incredibly witty person.

00:19:20.020 I'd hope that she dates a writer, in fact, or, you know, at least a witty podcaster.

00:19:27.160 And what about Angelina Jolie when she was with Billy Bob Thornton?

00:19:30.900 Exactly.

00:19:32.300 Yeah.

00:19:32.420 You know, Sidney already has a rather homely and somewhat masculine first name, and I think

00:19:38.600 that adds to her beauty. 0.98

00:19:40.020 I think she should go out with a 4'11 writer, and she'll be absolutely blazingly gorgeous 1.00

00:19:46.860 by comparison.

00:19:48.160 She just gives hope a chance to all those men out there.

00:19:52.800 It's possible for them, too.

00:19:55.020 Well, I think it's great because I'm sick and tired of those ads.

00:19:57.800 I'm sick and tired of being told that we're not allowed to think this way.

00:20:01.560 And I'm going to toss it now to our pal Gadshad, who, like no one else, can make us laugh in

00:20:07.140 these moments with his, I mean, in this video, literal self-flagellation over the wrong think

00:20:13.420 in enjoying Sidney Sweeney.

00:20:15.680 Watch this.

00:20:16.160 I listened, I stopped, I learned, and now I would like to, look what I got.

00:20:27.780 It's been a while since I brought out the whip of self-loathing.

00:20:33.560 Rachel Levine is more beautiful.

00:20:39.380 Lizzo is more beautiful.

00:20:42.440 Dylan Mulvaney is more beautiful.

00:20:49.700 Joy Behar is more beautiful than Sidney Sweeney.

00:20:57.680 My wife just showed me a photo of Sidney Sweeney.

00:21:02.580 I became impotent.

00:21:04.060 Man, he really takes a whack at himself.

00:21:11.100 You can't fake that snap of the whip.

00:21:15.500 He really leaned in on that one.

00:21:17.600 But he's so good at it.

00:21:19.500 That's really what we've been asked.

00:21:21.120 Rachel Levine, he's right.

00:21:23.040 Rachel Levine was held up as like this standard to which we needed to aspire.

00:21:26.680 The first female admiral ever to be elevated to that level of government.

00:21:31.960 That disgusting-looking man in a blonde, I don't know if it was a wig or if it was just 1.00

00:21:37.300 bad blonde male hair, but it was ridiculous.

00:21:41.880 Yeah, and Lizzo, okay, it's fine.

00:21:43.300 Lizzo's had massive weight problems and is obviously now on the shot or on a weight loss

00:21:47.400 plan.

00:21:47.720 Good for her.

00:21:48.120 I'm glad she's losing the weight.

00:21:49.000 But why did we have to pretend that we thought the enormously morbidly obese version of her

00:21:53.740 was incredibly sexy and beautiful?

00:21:55.800 We didn't.

00:21:56.760 A very, very small percentage of Americans found that sexy and beautiful.

00:22:00.360 Fucking A. 1.00

00:22:01.080 Why can't we say it?

00:22:02.000 I'm sick of this bullshit.

00:22:03.820 Jordan Peterson literally got called in front of the Psychiatric Association of Canada and

00:22:09.560 threatened with losing his license because he was making posts about things like that.

00:22:13.420 It wasn't Lizzo, but it was someone like that saying, I don't agree with this beauty

00:22:16.360 standard.

00:22:16.840 I don't find this beautiful.

00:22:17.720 It was like one of those Sports Illustrated models who was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, 0.86

00:22:21.740 the ultimate depiction of fitness and beauty for decades, which went super fat instead

00:22:27.880 and wanted us to have the same reaction.

00:22:33.760 Are you about to put up a video or is it my turn?

00:22:36.480 No, it's just your turn.

00:22:37.880 I just decided not to put a video.

00:22:39.780 No one needs to see that.

00:22:40.560 Okay.

00:22:41.280 Well, I mean, how could America be more hypocritical?

00:22:44.660 I'm sorry, but this is a country in which, you know, online pornography is rampant, all sorts

00:22:51.680 of forms of sexuality that are hidden away and, you know, pushed onto phones and so on.

00:22:57.300 Now we get to kind of enjoy it out in the open with a clothed person.

00:23:01.960 I think that that's a, I think that's a gain for morality, frankly, that we can all sort

00:23:08.720 of bring it back into the public square.

00:23:11.140 Because during those times when we were asked to look at Rachel Levine and so on, I would

00:23:15.960 think there were a lot of young men who were furtively going somewhere else to get their

00:23:21.620 Well, Sports Illustrated actually had a trans person in its magazine.

00:23:27.180 It was a man posing as a woman in a teeny weeny bikini.

00:23:31.580 And they wanted American men to look at that and be sexually aroused.

00:23:37.920 And by the way, if you weren't, then you were transphobe.

00:23:41.380 That's actually what the left has been telling us.

00:23:44.960 And that's cruel, actually.

00:23:47.320 That's brutal.

00:23:48.460 To use people's sexuality against them.

00:23:51.160 In other words, to force them to, you know, pretend to admire things they don't and force

00:23:57.980 them to hide things that they do admire.

00:24:01.180 Isn't that what was done to gay people?

00:24:04.000 Don't we deplore the fact that they had to be in the closet?

00:24:08.140 Why should heterosexual men who were interested in the likes of Sidney Sweetie have had to

00:24:13.940 hide in closets these last few years?

00:24:16.560 Let's celebrate coming back out into the open.

00:24:20.440 You know, it's like, I'm just, I'm over it.

00:24:23.020 Like Bridgerton, all the white royalty had to be made into people of color. 0.98

00:24:28.700 It's like, this is, and by the way, you can never satisfy the mob because the mob didn't

00:24:33.200 like what they did in Bridgerton because I actually wrote this down because they complained

00:24:36.840 that notwithstanding the fact that they've made black actors play traditionally actual

00:24:42.100 white historical characters, it still centers around a quote, primarily white narrative.

00:24:47.220 Well, it's about white people who existed.

00:24:52.000 So yeah, whatever happened in their lives, I guess by definition will be a white narrative. 0.73

00:24:56.900 What are we supposed to do?

00:24:58.040 Like, how are we supposed to change it?

00:24:59.500 I hesitate to even think to satisfy that we, now we have to make the white people's story 0.98

00:25:03.980 a black narrative.

00:25:05.340 It's just ridiculous.

00:25:06.880 So the, the Sidney Sweeney ad and the fact that it was done, the fact that it's so successful

00:25:13.900 and it's driving up sales is yet another declaration that the era of woke is dead.

00:25:20.500 It's over.

00:25:21.520 It officially died in November of 2024.

00:25:24.460 And now you are just getting your fingers on the pulse and realizing it's no longer beating

00:25:30.020 wokesters.

00:25:30.900 Come on over back to normalcy.

00:25:33.220 If you can.

00:25:34.500 Okay.

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00:26:46.400 Trump continues to comment on Epstein and, of course, those comments continue to be bastardized and used against him by a dishonest press corps.

00:26:59.280 He made remarks yesterday about how he and Jeffrey Epstein broke up.

00:27:06.800 They were good friends for 15 years.

00:27:08.500 They were down in Palm Beach together.

00:27:10.140 Epstein was connected to everybody down there.

00:27:11.660 And it was known, I want to tell the audience right now, it was not known that this particular thing you're going to hear was the reason the friendship ended.

00:27:22.120 There had been lots of speculation.

00:27:23.680 We had on Vicki Ward two weeks ago who was saying it might have been the fact that Epstein asked Trump to go with him to look at a property he wanted to buy out of bankruptcy and ask him how he could move the pool around.

00:27:35.380 And Trump, when he saw the property, decided he was going to bid on it as well out of bankruptcy, and Trump got it.

00:27:40.780 So there was one report that that's why it ended.

00:27:43.180 There was another report that Epstein had hit on or behaved in an inappropriate way with the daughter of a Mar-a-Lago member, and Trump said, you're out of here.

00:27:54.440 Now, to his credit, Trump could have just gone with number two and made himself sound better.

00:28:02.300 He didn't.

00:28:03.700 This is back to the Sean Hannity thing.

00:28:05.640 Trump doesn't get in trouble because he lies.

00:28:07.900 Trump is in trouble because he tells the truth.

00:28:09.600 And so they asked Trump about how he and Jeffrey Epstein fell out.

00:28:16.280 He told the story.

00:28:18.160 And now the left-wing press is going with, and I'm going to play you the soundbite, but they're going with, Trump knew everything.

00:28:24.240 He knew that girls were being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein, and he basically allowed it by having Jeffrey Epstein come and poach girls from Mar-a-Lago.

00:28:35.260 All right, so here's the question when he talks about how Epstein stole—that's a reporter's word, too—stole Virginia Giuffre, who was the best-known Jeffrey Epstein victim.

00:28:49.520 She was the one who was with Prince Andrew.

00:28:51.460 She recently died.

00:28:52.280 And we all knew that she worked at Mar-a-Lago, and that's how Jeffrey Epstein first saw her, that we have known that.

00:28:57.920 Okay?

00:28:58.160 But anyway, watch Sot 10.

00:28:59.180 Were some of the workers that were taken from you, were some of them young women?

00:29:04.720 Well, I don't want to say, but everyone knows the people that were taken.

00:29:10.460 And it was—the concept of taking people that work for me is bad.

00:29:16.320 But that story's been pretty well out there, and the answer is yes, they were.

00:29:21.080 Yes, they were young women? 0.99

00:29:22.200 What did they do?

00:29:22.900 In the spa.

00:29:23.500 In the jobs?

00:29:24.080 In the spa?

00:29:24.500 Yeah, people that work in the spa.

00:29:26.280 I have a great spa, one of the best spas in the world at Mar-a-Lago.

00:29:29.580 And people were taken out of the spa, hired by him.

00:29:33.520 In other words, gone.

00:29:34.960 And then when I heard about it, I told them, I said, listen, we don't want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa.

00:29:42.040 I don't want them taking people.

00:29:44.180 And he was fine, and then not too long after that, he did it again, and I said, out of here.

00:29:49.580 Mr. President, did one of those stolen, you know, persons, does that include Virginia Jeffrey?

00:29:59.200 I don't know.

00:30:00.920 I think she worked at the spa.

00:30:03.680 I think so.

00:30:04.800 I think that was one of the people.

00:30:06.780 He stole her.

00:30:09.220 And by the way, she had no complaints about us, as you know, none whatsoever.

00:30:13.220 OK, that anybody that's been an employer has probably had an employee stolen.

00:30:21.460 You might use that word by another employee, another employer.

00:30:24.880 Somebody comes along, they like your employee, they offer your employee more money or better work, you know, conditions, et cetera, a better job.

00:30:32.020 And they leave and they say, oh, they stole that person from me.

00:30:35.760 That's clearly what he's saying.

00:30:37.620 I don't understand how the media even thinks it can turn this into.

00:30:42.380 He knew Epstein was a trafficker.

00:30:45.460 He knew he stole Virginia Giuffre and trafficked her and said nothing about it until a second girl got stolen from Trump.

00:30:55.360 And that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

00:30:58.120 That seems to be what they're going with, Walter.

00:31:00.480 What do you make of it?

00:31:01.340 Well, Trump gets in trouble because he tells the truth, but he also gets out of trouble because he tells the truth.

00:31:09.640 The truth is often a little, you know, jarring or unexpected when you first hear it, but it tends to last longer.

00:31:16.100 And this is a very credible story by a guy who was proud of his resort.

00:31:22.400 And a big part of a resort, I'm sorry because I live part of the time in Las Vegas and I, you know, go to them, is the spot staff, masseuses, people who do nails, do hair, bring you towels and so on.

00:31:37.620 And he was obviously proud of that.

00:31:39.800 People go to Florida to relax in that way.

00:31:42.660 And the honesty here is kind of refreshing.

00:31:46.900 He didn't like his business being, you know, degraded by this interloper.

00:31:54.860 That's where Trump's values are, I'm afraid.

00:31:58.020 He wants to have a great resort.

00:31:59.560 And he felt that Jeffrey Epstein was making it a less great resort.

00:32:03.600 Now, turning that and using the verb stole to sort of latch it on to the subject of trafficking is flat dishonesty and, you know, the worst kind of torturing the language.

00:32:17.460 But I believe him.

00:32:20.460 This does not sound like a cover-up artist, this guy.

00:32:23.560 This sounds like a guy who's kind of committed to telling the truth, even when it's sort of odd and gives insights into his values that maybe other people wouldn't share.

00:32:35.280 He wants the damn best spa and the damn best resort.

00:32:38.680 And Jeffrey Epstein was screwing with that.

00:32:41.040 And that was the problem.

00:32:42.920 Well, it has the ring of truth.

00:32:45.480 Let me give you, so there's tons of headlines on this now.

00:32:48.400 They're trying to make this a huge deal.

00:32:49.800 We knew, we knew that Virginia Giuffre worked at Mar-a-Lago.

00:32:52.700 This is not old, or this is not new news.

00:32:55.200 This was old news.

00:32:56.340 And she's on the record as having said she had a great time there.

00:32:59.220 She, in fact, we'll just play it.

00:33:00.320 We pulled it.

00:33:00.740 This is Virginia Giuffre on CBS Morning in 2020.

00:33:04.580 Listen to Sat 11.

00:33:06.380 Virginia, how did you meet her and what was her pitch to you?

00:33:09.680 I'm working at Mar-a-Lago.

00:33:12.060 Loving it.

00:33:12.700 I'm working in the spa area.

00:33:14.020 I was reading about anatomy and massage, and that's when Ghislaine came up to me and

00:33:20.120 said, oh my God, you're reading a book about massage.

00:33:23.140 And, you know, long story short, she told me that she knew of a man who was looking for

00:33:30.200 a traveling masseuse.

00:33:32.080 And if he liked me, then I would get educated and I would become a real massage therapist.

00:33:36.940 So, yeah, I mean, it was a dream of a lifetime until I got there and the abuse was immediate.

00:33:45.340 She could smell the vulnerability on the person.

00:33:48.080 OK, so that's Virginia Giuffre saying at Mar-a-Lago.

00:33:52.780 She loved working in the spa.

00:33:53.920 Everything was on the up and up.

00:33:54.960 And then she got lured away to go work for Epstein by Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:33:58.300 And things went downhill from there.

00:34:00.280 You've got headlines like this from The Independent.

00:34:02.700 Trump says Epstein stole underage victim Virginia Giuffre from his Mar-a-Lago spa leading to feud.

00:34:09.580 Forbes.

00:34:10.180 Trump says Epstein stole Virginia Giuffre from his employment.

00:34:13.020 The Bulwark, Sam Stein, he stole her a jaw dropping thing to say. 0.96

00:34:17.480 I just can't get over it.

00:34:18.680 Was she Trump's property?

00:34:20.620 And you can keep going.

00:34:21.940 But here's listen to this.

00:34:22.840 This guy from EmptyWheel.net does a long, deep dive on it and says the following.

00:34:27.480 OK, he says, if Donald Trump learned what happened to Giuffre and warned Epstein never to recruit

00:34:35.640 sex slaves at Mar-a-Lago again, it would mean he was aware of what happened to Giuffre.

00:34:41.800 He was aware years before law enforcement first started investigating Epstein.

00:34:46.760 It would mean he learned Epstein was trafficking girls, which that New York magazine quote sure

00:34:51.760 seems to reflect where he said he likes young girls.

00:34:54.120 Epstein likes young girls.

00:34:55.580 And rather than do something to make Epstein stop, Trump just told him not to do it at Mar-a-Lago.

00:35:02.040 That's what this guy gleaned from she worked in the spa, he stole my employee, and I said, 0.95

00:35:09.220 you better not do that again.

00:35:10.680 And then he did.

00:35:11.660 So I ended the friendship.

00:35:13.160 What in the actual?

00:35:14.920 Yeah, this is dishonest.

00:35:19.720 It's not going to play.

00:35:21.340 It is shocking to me as a journalist to see headlines and, you know, first paragraphs of

00:35:30.760 stories tortured from this very, I got to say, innocent statement by him.

00:35:39.480 Um, the last thing you read started with the biggest small word in the English language.

00:35:46.440 If, if, if, if, well, we can spin out ifs forever, but the truth is everybody knows what

00:35:53.920 poaching an employee means.

00:35:55.860 Everybody knows that Donald Trump at this point did not have the ability to what called out

00:36:01.020 on a helicopter and have Jeffrey Epstein swept away to a tropical prison.

00:36:05.380 And what was he supposed to do?

00:36:07.000 Was he supposed to put out an APB on this guy and, and say, you know, he's taking masseuses

00:36:12.480 and.

00:36:13.140 Well, and where's the evidence he knew that they were being trafficked?

00:36:16.520 You're, you're really missing a critical piece of proof there.

00:36:19.120 That was the if.

00:36:20.340 That was the if.

00:36:21.900 I mean, as a lawyer, this must be so frustrating to you because I'm sure you've seen various

00:36:27.980 ways in which insinuations and, you know, dubious claims are, are, are, are, are grown from simple

00:36:35.340 statements, but this is dishonest.

00:36:37.500 And to see the press doing this over and over really reminds me of the Russiagate thing in

00:36:42.880 which small, uh, you know, small pieces of not even evidence, but, but, but, you know,

00:36:50.380 of language and other, uh, artifacts can be, can be amassed to tell a story that is completely

00:36:57.680 untrue.

00:36:58.760 We don't know all the things there are to know about Jeffrey Epstein, and we're hoping

00:37:04.160 that we hear more, but at this point, this kind of, uh, this kind of conclusion is almost

00:37:11.520 libelous.

00:37:13.320 Yeah, absolutely right.

00:37:14.580 There's absolutely no evidence that Trump knew this guy tries to spin it based on that

00:37:18.780 one Trump comment from years ago, or he's like, Oh, he loves you.

00:37:21.940 He loves women.

00:37:22.760 And, and some say he even likes them young.

00:37:25.280 That does, that is not the same as he's a pedo sex trafficker of underaged girls.

00:37:30.880 Okay.

00:37:31.680 It's your people over on team blue who knew that he had come, that he had pleaded guilty

00:37:38.040 to an act of prostitution with a minor, which by the way, is not a thing.

00:37:42.820 That's statutory rape. 1.00

00:37:44.240 Minors cannot prostitute themselves.

00:37:45.800 Um, anyway, then still showed up at his mansion to try to glad hand with him all the left wing

00:37:52.320 press that went to kiss the ring. 0.99

00:37:53.860 It wasn't Donald Trump.

00:37:55.240 He was out of Epstein's life long before all that.

00:37:58.620 Anyway, it's just ridiculous.

00:38:00.020 Let me keep going.

00:38:01.020 Ghislaine Maxwell is now, um, talking to the DOJ.

00:38:06.860 It's actually kind of annoying.

00:38:08.840 She, uh, spoke with the DOJ.

00:38:11.100 She allegedly gave some names.

00:38:12.500 They gave her limited immunity, meaning we won't use anything you say in this conversation

00:38:15.720 against you.

00:38:16.480 But now Comer over in the house has issued her, um, a letter saying, we want you to come

00:38:21.760 over here and, uh, also a subpoena and give testimony on Epstein.

00:38:26.460 And her lawyer wrote back, okay, thanks.

00:38:29.420 Any testimony she provides could compromise her constitutional rights and so on.

00:38:35.060 And she's still got an appeal pending. 0.98

00:38:36.780 Accordingly, our initial reaction was that she would invoke her fifth amendment rights and 0.96

00:38:40.540 declined to testify.

00:38:41.220 However, after further reflection, we'll find a way to cooperate if the following things

00:38:45.900 happen.

00:38:46.980 First of all, she can't risk further criminal exposure without formal immunity.

00:38:50.300 So we've got to have formal immunity for this discussion.

00:38:53.260 But we also require the committee's questions in advance.

00:38:57.140 This woman's a convicted sex trafficker and, and sex abuser herself. 1.00

00:39:01.420 She's sitting in there like she's some queen bee now. 1.00

00:39:04.100 Like I will get the questions in advance so that I can study them with my lawyer before

00:39:09.700 I say anything, which is all going to be bullshit.

00:39:12.100 Anyway, people she's in prison for 20 years. 1.00

00:39:14.700 She's going to say whatever the hell she thinks she needs to, to get a, get out of jail 1.00

00:39:18.660 free card.

00:39:19.320 Uh, they request that any appearance be scheduled only after resolution of her Supreme Court 0.92

00:39:24.580 petition.

00:39:25.760 Um, of course, if Ms. Maxwell will receive, were to receive clemency, she would be willing

00:39:31.300 and eager to testify openly and honestly in public before Congress.

00:39:35.660 I think Trump and everyone else should tell this woman to pound sand, to go back into prison 1.00

00:39:41.700 and to rot in hell. 0.97

00:39:42.940 I, I don't care for Ghislaine Maxwell's post conviction testimony this badly.

00:39:49.180 I'm not going to believe two words of it anyway.

00:39:52.920 Well, but here's the problem.

00:39:55.500 We've started a mania in this country.

00:39:57.920 Why want to know everything about Epstein?

00:40:00.000 Well, who knows more than she, even if she lies, it's, it's a response to this great

00:40:05.640 hunger and this appetite that has been stimulated.

00:40:09.500 She's seeing her moment of advantage.

00:40:13.100 And I mean, if I was sitting in jail, I'd be trying to drive as favorable a bargain as

00:40:18.100 I could too, just because she is a scumbag. 1.00

00:40:22.420 If a woman can be a scumbag. 1.00

00:40:25.280 I, I, I, I mean, our fascination with this is going to lead us down some pretty dark alleys.

00:40:31.240 Uh, and the problem is it's always the guilty, you know, the most about the crime and, um,

00:40:39.040 and pushing her back into her box or her cell down in Florida, instead of giving her a field

00:40:44.740 trip to Washington or however it was going to be done, you know, does satisfy this desire for

00:40:50.300 justice.

00:40:50.780 But now we've got this desire for details and maybe they're in conflict.

00:40:58.040 We're not going to get anything from those grand jury transcripts.

00:41:00.580 The judges have already said no.

00:41:01.820 And by the way, it hit today that what was in those grand jury proceedings against Epstein

00:41:05.740 and then Maxwell, Epstein in 19.

00:41:07.560 And then Maxwell, um, more recently is just two law enforcement officers, which is typical

00:41:13.080 saying what they alleged.

00:41:15.920 That's not, that's really not all that juicy.

00:41:17.740 That would be the bare minimum of what they needed to say in order to get the indictment.

00:41:21.420 So we're not really pursuing any real avenues right now of disclosure because Ghislaine Maxwell's

00:41:28.540 testimony, even if they get it is not trustworthy.

00:41:31.720 It just isn't not at this point in the game.

00:41:33.960 And the grand jury has always been a red herring.

00:41:37.300 So that's where we are on Epstein for better or for worse.

00:41:40.900 But while we're on the subject of possible pardons, we have to talk about ditty.

00:41:44.100 When I first saw Peter Doocy ask Trump about this, uh, about, I was like a month ago, two

00:41:49.860 months ago.

00:41:50.320 I'm like, I couldn't have been two months cause he wasn't found guilty yet.

00:41:53.280 But I'm like, why is he asking him about a pardon?

00:41:56.420 Why would he be asking Trump this?

00:41:58.560 Um, this was on May 30th.

00:42:02.220 Does that make sense?

00:42:04.160 Maybe it was in advance.

00:42:05.640 In any event, I can't remember what day the, the ditty verdict was, but it, uh, here's

00:42:10.060 Peter, Peter Doocy of Fox asking Trump if he would pardon Diddy.

00:42:13.940 Sot 17.

00:42:15.560 Host of The Apprentice.

00:42:16.900 You mentioned once in 2012 that Diddy was a good friend of yours back then.

00:42:21.460 He has since found himself in some very serious legal trouble.

00:42:24.580 Yeah, that's true.

00:42:25.380 Would you ever consider pardoning him?

00:42:29.040 I, well, nobody's asked.

00:42:30.880 You had to be the one to ask, Peter, but nobody's asked.

00:42:33.520 But I know people are thinking about it.

00:42:35.560 I know they're thinking about it.

00:42:36.940 I would certainly look at the facts.

00:42:39.180 If I think somebody was mistreated, uh, whether they like me or don't like me, it wouldn't

00:42:44.320 have any impact on me.

00:42:46.880 Okay.

00:42:47.540 So that was before he was found guilty on two charges, but not of the most serious ones,

00:42:52.400 uh, cause he was found guilty in June and that was May 30th.

00:42:55.660 But deadline is reporting.

00:42:57.560 And this is a piece by Dominic Patton, who is their legal reporter.

00:43:02.420 And I'm just going to take a guess here that he's well-sourced in Diddy world.

00:43:05.540 Um, he's reporting in a piece dated yesterday, Trump now quote, this is in quotes, seriously

00:43:13.400 considering pardon for Sean Combs ahead of sentencing.

00:43:17.380 White House officially says nothing.

00:43:20.260 So, and in this piece, you know, when you want to figure out who their sources are, you

00:43:24.300 always look at who did he, who did they say so-and-so denied comment?

00:43:27.520 Because that's usually the source.

00:43:30.200 And he says in this piece, um, defense, the defense team led by Mark Agnifolo and Tenny

00:43:36.520 Garagos had no comment on any pardon talks.

00:43:39.620 That's my guess that there is talk that Diddy's lawyers have brought it to the White House and

00:43:44.860 that they're the ones who gave deadline the quote.

00:43:47.220 Trump is seriously considering a pardon for Sean Combs.

00:43:51.060 Um, I don't know whether Trump actually is, but I am here to urge him not to even consider

00:43:58.620 it and much less to do it.

00:44:01.160 It would be an absolute disaster.

00:44:04.780 It would be a miscarriage of justice.

00:44:06.500 He doesn't deserve it.

00:44:07.880 Okay.

00:44:08.040 First of all, just to put it in Trump and in terms Trump can understand, Diddy can't stand

00:44:13.140 you, Mr.

00:44:13.980 President.

00:44:14.260 He, he was once nice to you, he's turned on you, and he doesn't deserve a favor from

00:44:20.580 you, who he worked actively to stop in 2020.

00:44:24.040 Here's a clip from Charlemagne on his show going over some of that.

00:44:27.660 Watch.

00:44:31.960 White men like Trump need to be banished.

00:44:36.720 That way of thinking is real dangerous.

00:44:40.940 When you look at it, we don't have no choice.

00:44:43.420 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:43.740 And you can say what you want about Biden.

00:44:45.600 I can't say I love the pick either, but hey, we got to get him in office and then we got

00:44:51.860 to hold him accountable.

00:44:53.840 Okay.

00:44:54.460 So that was Diddy giving Charlemagne an interview, making clear how anti-Trump he was.

00:44:58.660 And on top of that, and more importantly, he is a serial woman abuser, the likes of which

00:45:05.500 we haven't seen in modern America, at least not on the public stage in this way.

00:45:09.820 He is a repeated serial abuser.

00:45:13.020 He beat those women to a pulp and didn't even deny it. 0.99

00:45:17.240 He didn't deny it.

00:45:18.100 They admitted expressly domestic abuse over and over and over again, something the judge

00:45:22.320 used against them when they pled for bail, when they said, please let him stay out on

00:45:26.480 bail pending sentencing.

00:45:27.460 So he doesn't deserve any sort of a pardon.

00:45:29.680 He got away with all of that.

00:45:31.020 He's only being sentenced when he gets sentenced on these minor crimes of basically engaging

00:45:36.080 in prostitution and transporting people for the purpose of it.

00:45:38.960 So he got away with the most serious crimes.

00:45:42.540 And so two things.

00:45:43.600 Number one, what's Trump in trouble over when it comes to Epstein?

00:45:46.440 He's in trouble because he is making it look like to the MAGA base.

00:45:51.200 He's part of the elite cabal that covers for other members of the elite cabal.

00:45:56.220 And they don't like that.

00:45:57.840 They they elected Trump because he promised not to be one of them, but to like bust up

00:46:02.820 them, those groups and work with the people against them.

00:46:06.420 So this would not help, not at all.

00:46:09.740 And there are a lot of people like Viva Frye, who comes on the show as a legal commentator

00:46:12.880 a lot, who already thinks the whole Diddy trial was just a show trial so that, you know,

00:46:18.080 he could be found guilty on a couple of minor things.

00:46:21.040 But the real meat of the Diddy case, which is how many other people were being provided

00:46:25.600 access to young women and others and drugs at these parties of note, you know, like famous

00:46:32.540 celebrities.

00:46:32.940 And somehow that's been kept up.

00:46:34.300 So, like, there's already people thinking that there's a cover up here.

00:46:37.420 Trump pardoning Diddy will create another Epstein for him.

00:46:40.860 It would be a nightmare.

00:46:42.460 And last and certainly not least, the GOP is already struggling with female voters and

00:46:48.620 they're not all lefties.

00:46:49.660 There are young conservative women who aren't in love with Trump or MAGA.

00:46:55.000 There are.

00:46:55.820 And this will not help.

00:46:58.500 It's very clear.

00:46:59.580 We all saw the videotape of him beating the hell out of Cassandra Ventura.

00:47:03.620 But there was so much more testimony about the other women he repeatedly beat all the

00:47:08.840 way up to when he was arrested.

00:47:10.780 He doesn't deserve any of Trump's mercy.

00:47:14.520 Your thoughts on it, Walter?

00:47:16.320 I find him personally loathsome.

00:47:19.780 And the idea that he would be walking free with this pass from the president of the United States is abhorrent to me.

00:47:30.740 You're absolutely right, though.

00:47:32.440 It looks like Trump is in some la-la land of special rules for rich and famous people if he does this.

00:47:41.280 And it could not be a worse message from a supposedly populist president who cares about Main Street, where when you beat someone on camera, you end up in jail, getting kicked around by the other guys.

00:47:56.200 Number two, there is reason to believe that both Epstein and Diddy may have something in common, which is that someone was protecting them all along, that in some fashion they were connected to intelligence, to law enforcement, that they had cover within elite circles.

00:48:17.260 This would show us that perhaps that they continue to have it, and we can't, as a society, go forward believing that there are two standards of law for celebrities and regular people.

00:48:35.180 It's one thing to know that the rich have all these other advantages.

00:48:40.880 But we're in a country right now where on the left, at least, there is a lot of bubbling anger over oligarchs.

00:48:47.260 And all these other things.

00:48:48.660 And it may be sort of whipped up, or it may not be.

00:48:51.760 It may be genuine or may be a political tactic.

00:48:55.000 But you are playing into their hands, and you're just playing into the hands of the devil, as far as I'm concerned, if you let these people walk free.

00:49:06.680 The least among us, the most powerless, all these kids who go to Hollywood and want to make it and are wide-eyed and maybe not as bright as they could be or as well-educated fall into the clutches of these people.

00:49:21.800 And I say this as someone who's lived in Hollywood, who's worked in the movie industry.

00:49:25.380 And these guys are predators, and there's a hundred like him, maybe not as prolific, not as rich, maybe not as connected.

00:49:34.660 And we've got to put a stop to this business.

00:49:37.520 That's right.

00:49:39.200 And he got away with it.

00:49:42.200 He wasn't even found guilty on the worst charges against him, the sex trafficking, the RICO, which brought up in a sort of backdoor way all the stuff he'd been doing to women serially for the past 20 years.

00:49:54.520 He got away with it.

00:49:55.860 He was only found guilty on these two minor charges.

00:49:58.640 Let him at least serve the time on those.

00:50:01.800 And in both cases, in Epstein, you had a man who was a friend of Trump's for some period of time and who went on to become one of, if not the most prolific sex trafficker of all time, who got away with it, too.

00:50:14.440 He got a sweetheart deal in 2008.

00:50:16.860 And then when he finally got arrested in 2019, he, quote, killed himself or was allowed to kill himself or was murdered.

00:50:23.160 But he did not have to answer in a courtroom ever in any meaningful way to his victims and what he did to those young women.

00:50:30.060 And in a way, it would be the same thing if you pardoned Diddy on the two minor crimes he did get convicted of.

00:50:38.160 It's it's the same thing.

00:50:39.420 It's telling all these young, vulnerable women they don't count.

00:50:43.120 They don't matter that even the top Republican president will cover up any wrongdoing when it comes to that type of a victim that it's I don't really see you as victims.

00:50:53.680 And in fact, I'm going to bend over backwards to help this guy who's a serial abuser of women.

00:50:57.660 It just cannot cannot happen again.

00:51:00.060 I have faith in Trump.

00:51:01.080 This could be Dominic Patton being spun by Diddy's lawyers who say Trump is seriously considering a pardon.

00:51:08.660 But I got to believe Trump's smarter than this.

00:51:10.440 I get a strong feeling that this defense team is doing what a defense team does and floating something that, you know, in the hopes of making it a reality and the hopes of forcing someone's hand or I don't know.

00:51:24.160 But it would really upset me to think that on the basis of what we know, there's a pardon being considered for this loathsome guy who really got off easy as it was.

00:51:38.300 And whose victims most most of whose victims we don't know are sitting at home quietly with their lives wrecked because they didn't want to go along or they did go along.

00:51:51.020 And if we can't make an example of this type, then we can't make an example of any type.

00:51:56.860 Yeah, he already got a slap on the wrist.

00:51:59.920 Now, you can't take away the slap on the wrist like that's that is not the solution to this problem.

00:52:04.660 So, OK, the New York City shooter who was born in Hawaii, who was a high school football player and who drove cross country from Las Vegas, Nevada, Nevada, where he was a security guard at a casino to midtown Manhattan on Monday and opened fire.

00:52:25.240 We're learning more about this guy.

00:52:26.760 Now, we knew yesterday when we came to air that he left a suicide note saying he has CTE and he wants his brain studied and you can't take on the NFL.

00:52:36.080 He never played in the NFL.

00:52:37.320 He played high school football only, as far as we know.

00:52:39.520 And now his high school football coach is on record as saying, as far as I know, he only had one ankle injury when he worked for us.

00:52:45.780 There was not like some series of concussions, which you typically see in a CTE case.

00:52:51.560 To me, it seems clear this guy just had your garden variety mental breakdown, which is not unusual, especially among like around 25 year old men or so.

00:53:01.120 He was right around there.

00:53:01.920 I think he was 26 or 27.

00:53:04.980 And he had that kind of a meltdown.

00:53:07.760 I think he blamed CTE.

00:53:09.400 He said he drank antifreeze like a Pittsburgh Steeler had done years earlier and took his own life by by gun.

00:53:17.160 But now it comes out, Walter.

00:53:18.740 So it's controversial. We knew it was going to be controversial, the fact that he had a concealed carry permit out in Nevada because we were told even the night of the shooting by former NYPD on Fox.

00:53:28.880 The guy had to count to interactions with law enforcement that resulted in mental health referrals.

00:53:37.280 They knew this the night of the shooting.

00:53:39.600 So it's obviously on record.

00:53:41.460 And yet still he had a concealed carry permit.

00:53:44.000 And that shouldn't be under the law in Nevada.

00:53:46.940 Now we find out, uh, the New York Post reporting today that he successfully applied for a gun permit in 2022.

00:53:54.640 He held onto the permit after he told the Las Vegas authorities that he was having suicidal thoughts.

00:54:03.400 Moreover, uh, he notified the cops sometime after, okay, after the, that he got the permit that he was suffering from a mental health crisis.

00:54:18.400 Now they say suicidal ideations are not enough to revoke a permit, but there was another finding that another report I saw that said, he said to law enforcement, I think I'm a danger to myself and others, which my God.

00:54:33.120 And then he had another mental health contact in Las Vegas in 2024, he was placed and held on a psychiatric hold in 2022 and 2024, according to CNN, CNN, here it is.

00:54:47.900 They say in 2022, Las Vegas police encountered him on the streets where he observed, uh, the cop did behavior that made him believe that this guy might be a threat to himself or others.

00:55:01.000 Cops took him to a hospital where he was put on a psychiatric hold for an unknown period of time.

00:55:06.440 And there were no details on that.

00:55:08.020 What happened to him in 2024, but it sounds like pretty much the same thing.

00:55:11.060 So here's my point in all this, Walter.

00:55:12.840 Yes, we need to figure out how we're not revoking the gun permits of people who are themselves saying that they're dangerous.

00:55:19.380 But the bigger point is it shouldn't have been up to him.

00:55:23.460 He should have been put in that institution and she, he should have been held there. 1.00

00:55:27.560 He should still be in there.

00:55:28.640 He shouldn't be dead.

00:55:29.980 Those people in the Midtown Manhattan building should not be dead.

00:55:33.440 We should have taken away his civil liberties and protected those of the innocent Americans who are likely to get hurt by this guy.

00:55:39.220 And the only reason that we don't do that anymore is because the leftist ACLU, actually ACLU and types that support it, have spent the past 50 years getting rid of institutionalization as a possibility for the deeply disturbed.

00:55:55.180 They think it's inhumane.

00:55:58.900 Even though the Supreme Court has held, if they, if they are a danger to themselves or others, you can institutionalize them.

00:56:05.040 You can do involuntary civil commitment, but slowly but surely the left has been getting rid of the facilities and the beds available for that kind of confinement because they're against it ideologically.

00:56:15.520 And truly at its core, that's why those people died in that building on Monday.

00:56:21.640 Your thoughts.

00:56:22.620 Well, Megan, I have an unpopular stance about these shootings, which is that they are now used in so many political and narrative ways to advance different agendas that I am suspicious of the whole phenomena.

00:56:40.060 In other words, we're getting a real lot of information about his psychiatric state, and that's very, that's very important for those who find that to be their top issue.

00:56:54.400 But we're not getting a lot of information about the possibility that he wasn't crazy, that the people he ended up killing, which turned out to be two formidable businesswomen, were maybe not the random victims of violence.

00:57:17.680 In other words, we're two days into this, and we're two days into this, and we've already got a storyline, and we've got morals, and we've got, you know, policy ideas, and so on.

00:57:32.380 Of course, you're right.

00:57:34.280 There's no reason why someone with these sort of encounters with the law and this kind of a psychiatric history should have a gun.

00:57:42.340 But in some ways, the people who want to take away guns are served by this, because they're saying, listen, Americans are crazy, and they have easy access to guns.

00:57:53.760 Rather than dealing with the psychiatric issues, let's just take the guns away.

00:57:58.180 So it serves them.

00:57:59.320 They never want to deal with the psychiatric part.

00:58:01.500 They don't want to deal with it.

00:58:03.040 They want to believe that that's impossible to deal with.

00:58:06.180 But I think what you're saying is that it's actually quite easy to deal with.

00:58:10.320 When you get these reports, and when you have already a legal structure for committing people even, you can certainly take away their firearms.

00:58:20.200 You can certainly put them on various lists, and you can even commit them.

00:58:24.400 But as I say, the anti-gun people would rather that not happen, because they'd rather we see America as this horrible free-for-all from which we must remove guns.

00:58:33.400 And other people would point out, America is this generally law-abiding place from which we should remove crazy people.

00:58:41.460 And I would err on the second side.

00:58:47.300 At the same time, we then have the sticky wicket of had Biden been reelected, and it was his decision to define who was crazy, he might have added something called white supremacy or a tendency toward extremism, and maybe even used your social media to determine that.

00:59:11.260 So we have to be very careful about what our values are, and I think it is common sense to start with separating crazy people and firearms.

00:59:23.680 But even that isn't really being allowed by the people you would think would want to see less violence.

00:59:31.640 And so I hope we can restore some common sense, but I also hope we can stop governing by mass shooting in this country, because it seems like the moral of every mass shooting, once we find the note, once we find the bottle of pills in the car and the other clues, with Luigi it was other kinds of manifestos and beliefs.

01:00:00.080 And with the trans shooting in Nashville, it was a whole other things.

01:00:04.600 Like, let's get a fix on what we want to do as a society, and not be thrown pillar to post by acts of violence, because that encourages acts of violence.

01:00:14.800 When people realize that they can drive the national conversation by shooting someone, that's very appealing to these guys.

01:00:22.940 That's why we never say the name of the mass shooters on the show, and I haven't done that in 15 years.

01:00:27.900 I heartily agree with that policy, I'll tell you.

01:00:32.580 You raise a good point, because it's like, we don't want bad guys to have access to guns, people who are identified as mentally disturbed.

01:00:40.220 But we don't want that mentally disturbed term to be bastardized, to steal people's guns who are just law-abiding citizens with controversial views.

01:00:47.920 You know, we'd have to adhere closely to a very high standard, so that we didn't sweep just politically unpopular people into the institutions.

01:00:57.840 But I think there is very much a way of doing it.

01:01:00.100 We were doing it in the 50s and 60s before we were.

01:01:04.040 We were, at that point, I think I looked this up.

01:01:07.100 There were 55,000 beds in America for people who were being involuntarily committed.

01:01:11.140 And within about 40 years, it had fallen to 14,000.

01:01:16.900 What happened?

01:01:17.580 Did all those people just get better?

01:01:18.740 We had 50,000 or 40,000 people who just, they got better.

01:01:22.820 We reduced, you know, insanity so much that we just got rid of it.

01:01:27.940 No, they're out on the street.

01:01:29.360 Walk, take a walk from Manhattan.

01:01:30.620 We sent them outside.

01:01:33.260 We sent them outside.

01:01:34.340 And we forced Americans to become hard-hearted enough that every day they can walk past suffering people, that they can learn to ignore it.

01:01:41.940 And I really actually resent that my children, my younger children, can't remember a time when that wasn't the case, that their whole life they've had to develop this skill set of ignoring crazy people, of walking past sick people, of hardening their hearts to people with abscesses on their legs or shooting up in a corner.

01:02:07.420 I don't know that that should have become a permanent feature of the American landscape.

01:02:13.060 And the idea that it did anything for the outdoors people is ridiculous.

01:02:19.980 Of course, many of them are so high, they don't know whether they're inside, outside, or in outer space.

01:02:25.120 But the truth is that the advocacy for their ability to die in full view of the public has not been the greatest empathetic stroke of our time.

01:02:41.540 It has, in fact, been a form of cruelty to ourselves because we've hardened our own hearts by having to deal with this on the everyday, you know, walk to work.

01:02:51.920 Well, here is one of the reasons I'm bringing it up.

01:02:56.880 Trump is finally doing something about this, and it really hasn't gotten enough attention.

01:03:01.920 Talked about it briefly earlier this week, but he issued an executive order on July 24th called Ending Crime and Disorder on America's Streets.

01:03:09.920 And it's a very bold initiative because typically what America's streets look like is up to mayors and governors and state legislators, not the president.

01:03:19.220 So good on Trump for doing something from his post, a hell of a lot more than Mayor Brandon Johnson is doing in Chicago, for example.

01:03:28.040 And here is what he says.

01:03:30.320 He says endemic vagrancy, disorderly behavior, sudden confrontations and violent attacks have made our cities unsafe.

01:03:38.460 The number of individuals living on the streets in the U.S. on a single night during the last year of the previous administration was just under 275,000.

01:03:49.220 It was the highest ever recorded.

01:03:51.220 The overwhelming majority of these individuals are addicted to drugs, have a mental health condition, or both.

01:03:56.220 Nearly two-thirds of homeless individuals report having regularly used hard drugs in their lifetimes, an equally large share suffering from mental health conditions.

01:04:04.980 The feds and the states have spent tens of billions on failed programs that address homelessness, but not its root causes, leaving other citizens vulnerable to public safety threats.

01:04:14.500 And then he goes on to say we need a new approach.

01:04:17.140 He says, I direct the attorney general in connection with HHS to seek in appropriate cases the reversal of federal or state judicial precedents and the termination of consent degrees that impede the United States' policy of encouraging civil commitment of individuals with mental illness who pose risks to themselves or the public,

01:04:38.840 or who are living on the streets and cannot care for themselves in appropriate facilities for appropriate period of time.

01:04:45.100 And he goes on to say, we'll provide some assistance to the states for this.

01:04:48.580 If you need some help, if you need some money, we'll actually give you some money for this to create and staff the appropriate beds and so on so we can get these people off the streets.

01:04:59.800 It's an incredible thing.

01:05:00.860 Do the states say thank you?

01:05:02.620 Is the left saying, God bless you, President Trump.

01:05:04.700 This is wonderful.

01:05:05.860 No, I Googled this morning.

01:05:08.040 Every single, like NPR, PBS, it's all about how terrible Trump is, how he wants to recreate one flew over the cuckoo's nest and shove innocent, suffering, homeless people and others into inhumane facilities.

01:05:20.300 It's no, it's past time that we had something like this.

01:05:26.160 And I'll just make one more point, Walter.

01:05:27.380 Back when I was at NBC, I did a series that has been with me ever since.

01:05:34.320 It very much affected me.

01:05:35.720 I've mentioned it many times on this show, on mothers with sociopathic children.

01:05:41.700 And these moms know, they know, it's no mystery to them that they're raising a sociopath with no empathy for others. 0.79

01:05:50.400 It can be a boy, it can be a girl.

01:05:52.200 And I interviewed many of them and these poor families, they're at their wits end because they don't have a facility that will take their kid.

01:06:01.160 They know they're raising the next school shooter or mass shooter.

01:06:05.740 They can't find a facility that will take their kid.

01:06:09.960 Psychiatrist after psychiatrist.

01:06:11.160 One mom, Dawn Davies, told me in one year she went through 35 psychiatric professionals who either rejected her son, who she says has no empathy and is obviously a sociopath if you listen to the whole interview, rejected him because they don't know how to fix that.

01:06:28.940 It's not really fixable.

01:06:29.760 Or said, well, okay, maybe we can take on one piece of his many disorders, like his OCD, but really no help.

01:06:36.360 And then all these other mothers who said, there's no place to which I can send my child.

01:06:39.220 The only solution is for him to get incarcerated.

01:06:41.400 We need him to break the law so he can go to prison, which is not what these moms want. 1.00

01:06:45.520 Here's just a little sampling of a couple of those exchanges.

01:06:48.840 Watch this.

01:06:49.180 There is a member of your group with whom we spoke who has a, I think, 15-year-old girl, 15-year-old girl who she admitted killed the family cat, strangled the family dog, attacked her mother with a knife, said she had a plan to kill her and the whole family, put poison oak in the mother's shower wash, which she knew the mother was deathly allergic to.

01:07:16.040 And she's had to live with her, too.

01:07:19.760 It's not unlike domestic abuse, domestic violence, where you're sentenced, in your case, however, to stay with the abuser.

01:07:28.620 It's my assertion that it is legally mandated, domestic violence.

01:07:32.680 When you look at your child, when you look at him, I assume you feel love.

01:07:38.640 And what else?

01:07:40.140 Fear.

01:07:41.840 I'm afraid that one morning I'll wake up and one of my children will not be alive.

01:07:46.040 Um, he's repeatedly threatened my husband.

01:07:48.480 I'm afraid that one day I'll get a call and he will be the next school shooter.

01:07:53.640 It's possible.

01:07:55.260 He'll be there.

01:07:55.860 I hope and pray that it's not.

01:07:57.480 I'm trying everything I can to protect everyone around me.

01:08:00.640 But there's a chance.

01:08:02.360 So it's beyond time for us to create facilities like this and to pay for them and to protect everyone else's civil liberties

01:08:16.760 and prioritize those over the civil liberties of the next school shooter or the next homeless maniac who's going to take somebody's life or try to on a subway or mentally disturbed person who has access to guns

01:08:30.720 and has identified himself to law enforcement as a threat.

01:08:34.600 Well, Megan, I agree with you.

01:08:40.420 I'm a reporter and a novelist, meaning that I deal in real life.

01:08:45.960 And I live in a small town where it's very hard to hide the human condition.

01:08:50.080 And this situation that you reported on is quite common, I'm afraid.

01:08:55.420 And there is no, uh, there is nowhere to go.

01:08:58.640 You have a child.

01:09:00.380 Well, it's not really a child.

01:09:01.640 Maybe a 14-year-old boy or girl.

01:09:03.800 They're, you know, full size.

01:09:05.720 They may be stronger than the parent.

01:09:07.340 They have access to all kinds of things nowadays from drugs to weapons and so on.

01:09:12.760 And they're a threat to their family.

01:09:14.680 What do you do?

01:09:16.720 We don't want to do the hard thing in society generally.

01:09:20.880 Sometimes we put up a principle.

01:09:22.740 Oh, we're going to give them, you know, their own free reign.

01:09:26.080 And the name of civil liberties will let them, you know, live in their car or stalk around outside or not, you know, not be subjected to any sort of discipline or confinement if they act in an antisocial way.

01:09:39.680 Well, that's a wonderful thing to do if, like, unlike these people, you don't have to live with consequences.

01:09:46.860 We have to start doing the hard things.

01:09:49.000 We have to start, I hate to say it, hardening our hearts just a little bit so that we can get over the hump to do the necessary jobs of a civilization, which is stay civilized.

01:10:03.820 And if that means the building of new facilities, the hiring of new staff, the promulgation of new programs and codes and standards so that we can keep this within the boundaries that we consider civilized, then we have to do that.

01:10:21.360 And all our, you know, all our arid ideas about, you know, what's right in some best of all possible worlds can go out the window because this is a urgent crisis, mental health, drugs, autism, which also can be in a sort of spectrum that can lead to this kind of behavior.

01:10:43.500 And we know that that is on the rise for whatever reason.

01:10:47.660 And so unless we start buckling down, you know, my mom was a critical care nurse. 0.69

01:10:52.740 She saw the worst human situations and an ER nurse every night, violence, you know, accidents, just bad, dumb luck.

01:11:01.540 And that realism affected me as a person.

01:11:04.860 And I think we have to start getting realistic.

01:11:06.920 We can't just look in our phones and live behind our gates and in our doorman buildings if we're well off and espouse these great principles while this kind of real horror and despair and pain is running rampant.

01:11:22.280 I totally agree.

01:11:24.520 It's like we too often say three country, big country.

01:11:29.460 And I know all that and I agree with all that.

01:11:31.960 But there actually is something we can be doing.

01:11:34.500 And it has nothing to do with guns because a deranged man madman will find a different weapon.

01:11:39.300 They'll find a knife.

01:11:40.160 We see this in all these other countries that that have no guns.

01:11:43.420 Mass murders happen all over the place where there are no guns whatsoever with knives, with car bombs and with cars just running people down.

01:11:51.440 I'm sorry, but the crazed, deranged lunatic will find a way to do it. 0.68

01:11:54.600 It's the other half of the equation that you pointed out.

01:11:57.400 It's the mental health half that needs to be addressed.

01:12:00.300 And for the first time, we have a president who is willing to do it.

01:12:04.880 He's willing to put money behind it.

01:12:06.680 No coverage.

01:12:07.660 You wouldn't even know he did this.

01:12:08.980 Most people didn't even hear about this executive order.

01:12:11.740 I want to say one other thing about that.

01:12:13.340 One of the moms there, Don Davies, who wrote this book, Mothers of Sparta, which is I highly recommend you.

01:12:18.940 It's a haunting book.

01:12:19.780 It's a very good read and it's a quick read.

01:12:21.920 And she talked about her son.

01:12:24.340 By the way, on the subject of autism, because she pointed out her son has autism.

01:12:28.440 Neither Walter nor I nor Don would tell you kids who have autism are sociopaths.

01:12:33.060 But it is a frequent qualification or quality in some of the people who do wind up having these problems.

01:12:40.320 So it doesn't it's not like, you know, I have autism in my my extended family.

01:12:45.400 These kids are wonderful.

01:12:46.340 It's we're not no one saying that they become school shooters.

01:12:48.660 In any event, Don described her son as having been born like slow.

01:12:54.020 He was not walking at the right age and he was having trouble talking and they could see he was sort of having some neurodivergence.

01:13:00.100 We call it today issues.

01:13:01.180 Then he got diagnosed with autism when he was five and he got very badly bullied because he was very different than the other kids.

01:13:07.820 Then he said he was suicidal all before age 12.

01:13:11.580 Then he got to be age 13 and adolescence kicked in.

01:13:14.460 And he was very that it switched like something happened in the brain.

01:13:18.740 I mean, a lot happens to these kids and he's started to behave in undesirably social ways, undesirable social behavior.

01:13:27.400 She said he killed a friend's hamster and many animals, which is, you know, I mean, that every serial killer has done that.

01:13:35.800 I'm not saying her son's going to be a serial killer, but that's what she's worried.

01:13:38.820 Like, where where where does this lead?

01:13:41.120 He broke into a neighbor's home and so on.

01:13:43.160 And then he developed an obsession with child pornography as he himself was a child who was all over her computer.

01:13:50.580 They got him a place.

01:13:51.920 The law required her to have eyes on him at all times, which she couldn't.

01:13:55.620 She had to have a job to support her other kids and him.

01:13:58.540 We are not helping these people.

01:14:00.520 And up until now, we haven't had a president who's even thinking about how to help these people.

01:14:06.300 So I just would love for everybody to get behind this Trump executive order and support.

01:14:11.200 This is the kind of allocation we need.

01:14:12.540 I don't want to spend 60 billions in Ukraine.

01:14:15.200 I want to take billions of dollars and spend them on our people and things like this.

01:14:20.340 So we don't have another tragedy like we had on Monday.

01:14:23.360 Walter, I'll give you the last quick word.

01:14:26.640 Sometimes to wash the dishes, you've got to shove your hands into the dirty dishwasher and do what dirty dishwire and do what has to be done.

01:14:34.740 America needs to face its demons and start down the road of actually helping people who are in distress and not pretending that its values prevent that.

01:14:47.500 We can do something about this.

01:14:49.260 If we're willing to face ourselves, it's upsetting.

01:14:52.240 But we're going to have to we're going to have to tolerate being upset.

01:14:56.040 It's past time.

01:14:57.420 Walter, thank you.

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01:18:10.160 Welcome back to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:18:11.920 Joining me now, a woman who has come under fire in recent weeks following the announcement 0.97

01:18:15.900 that no additional Epstein files would be released by the Trump Justice Department

01:18:20.480 and the FBI, which it oversees.

01:18:23.980 Alexis Wilkins is a country singer and political commentator,

01:18:27.400 and she's also the girlfriend of FBI Director Cash Patel.

01:18:31.520 Some online influencers have accused her recently of being the reason

01:18:36.980 we haven't seen the Epstein files.

01:18:39.480 And wait until you hear their theory on why.

01:18:43.140 She joins me now to share her story.

01:18:44.880 Alexis, welcome to the show.

01:18:46.740 Hi, Megan.

01:18:47.320 Great to be with you.

01:18:48.520 It's great to have you.

01:18:49.460 All right.

01:18:49.640 So just before we get into this stuff, tell us a little bit about your background

01:18:54.520 because you have a very interesting childhood.

01:18:57.220 Yeah.

01:18:57.580 So I was born in the United States, moved to Europe when I was young for my dad's job,

01:19:03.140 grew up in Arkansas, spent some time in California, live in Tennessee now,

01:19:07.200 started in country music and in music writing,

01:19:10.340 and then transitioned into political commentary when I couldn't stay silent about the industry

01:19:15.800 and the nature of the United States and what was going on anymore.

01:19:20.000 Okay.

01:19:20.360 I'm going to show people just a little bit of your music video so they can see you are legit.

01:19:24.860 You've won awards.

01:19:25.800 You've opened up for some very, very famous acts.

01:19:28.660 You're young.

01:19:29.400 You're moving up the line.

01:19:30.980 But this is your real job in addition to a lot of charity work that you do.

01:19:34.520 But here's a bit.

01:19:35.840 This is Country Back.

01:19:37.380 It's Hot 5.

01:19:38.920 When the American dream was a Cadillac

01:19:42.520 And the red, white, and blue

01:19:44.320 Showed in how you act

01:19:46.120 Things you got, you worked for

01:19:49.560 You didn't think twice, got not locked in your door

01:19:52.920 When people did the right thing with no one around

01:19:56.480 They looked at each other and found common ground

01:20:00.040 From the music to the flag, I ain't living in the past

01:20:03.820 I'm just saying that

01:20:05.520 I want my country back

01:20:08.520 Absolutely beautiful.

01:20:11.840 For the listening audience, there was a lot of Trump rallies featured in the video

01:20:16.220 and Trump fans and Trump himself.

01:20:18.820 You've opened for Lee Greenwood, for Sarah Evans, Chris Young, and more.

01:20:22.900 So this is a legit career.

01:20:24.580 And to me, it's interesting because you mentioned you grew up mostly in Arkansas,

01:20:27.940 but you did spend some time in England and Switzerland.

01:20:32.180 You had sophisticated parents.

01:20:34.460 And yet the country thing is real for you because notwithstanding this international

01:20:39.380 and exciting presence for some of your childhood, you grew up in heartland America for the most part.

01:20:47.980 I did.

01:20:48.940 And it was my favorite place that I lived.

01:20:50.780 People ask me, oh, did you love Europe?

01:20:52.780 Did you love?

01:20:53.300 And of course I did.

01:20:54.100 But my favorite place to live was by far Arkansas.

01:20:57.980 And so that's where the country music came from.

01:21:00.280 You know, my parents have always loved country music.

01:21:02.340 And so that's what I grew up on anyway.

01:21:04.300 Even before, you know, in the UK and Switzerland, they didn't listen to a ton of country music back then.

01:21:09.600 Now they do and they have festivals and everything and it's great.

01:21:12.440 But back then they didn't.

01:21:13.980 And so we would ship in country albums from the States.

01:21:16.700 So it's what I grew up on.

01:21:18.220 And in Arkansas, that's just what, you know, that's the place that I spent the most time growing up.

01:21:23.740 All right.

01:21:24.240 So this becomes relevant.

01:21:25.380 I'm not just making small talk because you will, in 2025 America, be accused of being an Israeli spy that you work for Mossad.

01:21:35.460 And near as I can tell, this is only because you're dating Kash Patel.

01:21:44.000 That's probably it, to be honest.

01:21:46.080 But I guess if we have to go to a second criterion, it would be that you've done work with PragerU, with our friend Dennis Prager, who is totally brilliant.

01:21:56.620 And that institution has produced a lot of conservatives who are all over the Internet.

01:22:03.380 I think you might be the first of being accused of being an Israeli spy just because you've done a stint with PragerU.

01:22:09.660 But do you think I have the entirety of the evidence, quote, against you spelled out here?

01:22:16.080 I think that's it.

01:22:17.420 You know, I think people see certain pieces and I get it.

01:22:20.260 They want to connect things.

01:22:21.260 They want to justify, you know, some of the pain that they've been through watching the last four years.

01:22:25.740 And there's pieces of this that, you know, I can, I understand.

01:22:29.700 But I think that they've taken just these pieces of evidence that you've laid out and tie them together in all of the wrong ways.

01:22:37.360 I think, you know, PragerU is a great institution that is, as you know, Megan, sets out to educate the youth, you know, make short form content to try to influence people's opinions, educate them on things that they might not understand.

01:22:50.060 And constitutional education, I focused a lot in constitution and policy education in my videos.

01:22:55.940 You know, all of this was to speak out about my experience in college and try to tell the youth that they don't have to bend the knee to the left woke institution and make content that would be of good service to the youth as I decided that I couldn't stay silent anymore.

01:23:10.700 So seeing these things twisted is not only very confusing, very out of left field for me, but also incredibly disheartening.

01:23:18.540 Okay.

01:23:19.080 So among others who have come out of PragerU is Candace Owens.

01:23:23.200 And as far, last time I checked, she doesn't really sound like she's part of Mossad.

01:23:27.880 So going through the PragerU process of becoming a star does not turn one into an Israeli spy.

01:23:34.720 And you've never lived in Israel.

01:23:37.940 You're Christian, as far as I can glean.

01:23:40.440 Is that true?

01:23:41.840 That is true.

01:23:42.620 Yes, I am Christian.

01:23:43.680 That's been the most interesting thing is you find out things about yourself that you've never put forth and have never, you know, believed in your life.

01:23:50.780 And you read them on the Internet.

01:23:52.340 But yes, I am a Christian.

01:23:54.020 Okay.

01:23:54.320 So you're a Christian.

01:23:54.780 You went to a Christian university, though I know you've got problems with their adherence to those principles at Belmont University.

01:24:01.080 It turns out they're just as woke as the leftist others.

01:24:04.760 Yeah.

01:24:05.480 But so that's your life.

01:24:07.160 And then you're 26.

01:24:08.420 Is that right?

01:24:09.420 I am.

01:24:10.500 Okay.

01:24:10.900 So how did you meet Kash Patel?

01:24:13.840 We met in Nashville at an event that we both went to at a friend's house.

01:24:19.720 Okay.

01:24:20.020 So you weren't set up.

01:24:21.280 You just happened to meet.

01:24:22.840 Yes, we just happened to meet.

01:24:24.860 Okay.

01:24:25.300 Now there's an age difference there.

01:24:27.100 I had it written down, but I don't remember.

01:24:28.940 It's a significant age difference, right?

01:24:30.220 How many years?

01:24:31.760 I believe it's 18.

01:24:33.620 Okay.

01:24:34.560 All right.

01:24:35.120 Not as big as Caroline Levitt.

01:24:37.620 Bigger than some.

01:24:38.640 Smaller than others.

01:24:39.440 And what did you like about him?

01:24:42.740 I have always liked, when I met him, I just liked that he was so honest.

01:24:48.100 He's exactly who he is all the time.

01:24:51.300 His character is incredible.

01:24:53.020 His values are incredible.

01:24:54.100 And, you know, we both are very patriotic.

01:24:58.660 So obviously there are things there that we definitely agree on.

01:25:02.100 But he's just the most honest, you know, most integrity I've really experienced in a person.

01:25:08.060 He's fantastic.

01:25:09.060 When did you guys get together?

01:25:12.580 We got together a little over two and a half years ago.

01:25:15.420 So long before he was the head of the FBI.

01:25:19.740 Yes.

01:25:21.340 Long before I like to joke that, you know, all of this was not on my bingo card, but here we are.

01:25:25.980 Because this is relevant, too.

01:25:28.820 I'm not being unnecessarily probing.

01:25:30.720 It's just that people are accusing you of sort of being the honeypot where, you know, like they'll send over a spy to sort of get one of our officials, like an Eric Swalwell type, to sleep with them.

01:25:41.900 Like China does this.

01:25:43.300 And some of these dopes do it. 1.00

01:25:45.060 And before they know it, they've been compromised.

01:25:46.820 And by the way, there's been like no follow up on him and that whole thing.

01:25:49.700 But that's what some have said.

01:25:51.240 But you, boy, if you're if you're a spy trying to get in with Trump administration officials, you were really playing the long game.

01:25:57.440 Two and a half years before Trump even got into office, picking some random associate of Trump's and betting on him becoming our FBI chief.

01:26:05.500 Right.

01:26:06.080 It would have been a really long game play.

01:26:08.980 And the thing here, too, is that, you know, you don't know where life is going to go.

01:26:12.660 You don't know where these things are going to take you.

01:26:14.960 You even before I met Cash, you know, being committed to this movement and saying, OK, there's something seriously wrong with our country.

01:26:21.780 And there are sacrifices in music that I'm being asked to make.

01:26:25.940 And there are sacrifices in college that I'm being asked to make.

01:26:30.240 You know, people that want you to donate to certain super PACs in order to get on certain tours.

01:26:34.780 It's egregious the things that you run into and you either go, OK, I'm either going to be a part of this or I'm going to speak against it.

01:26:41.740 And my values led me to speak against it.

01:26:43.780 And so to live my life very publicly, honestly, I mean, my social media goes back far enough to tell that I have a long history of this, of speaking about American values and making sure that people know exactly where I'm coming from.

01:26:59.360 You know, I've worked with veterans organizations for a long time.

01:27:01.700 These are the things that I've held for a long time, the beliefs I've held for long before I met him.

01:27:07.820 And so it's hard when you make these decisions to sacrifice, you know, what I think the mainstream would call success in your career to commit to an ideology and speak out against what the Biden administration was doing.

01:27:19.760 I mean, have my show on Rumble Weekly called Between the Headlines, where I was calling all of this out for people to act like there's not enough information out there about me to glean a real conclusion on all of this kind of vigilante research.

01:27:34.160 It's it's bizarre to me, you know, as a as a pretend I'm a third person.

01:27:38.200 It just it doesn't make any sense.

01:27:41.080 The one of the things that jumped out in your background to me was recently I was at the Turning Point event with Charlie Kirk.

01:27:48.640 And at the end of our interview, he asked me if I had any advice for young people coming up through college today.

01:27:54.420 And I'm going to play a little bit of it.

01:27:56.260 It's relevant. Watch.

01:27:58.700 So there's seven thousand people here, most of which are students.

01:28:02.100 What advice do you have from fighting on campus, trying to figure out what they want to do with their life?

01:28:06.460 Let's do a non Epstein end to all of this.

01:28:09.140 Awesome.

01:28:10.780 Be who you are.

01:28:12.180 Don't pretend you're a lefty in order to win any professor's good humor.

01:28:16.420 He's not worth it.

01:28:17.180 Get your D on your paper because you refuse to argue that capitalism is bad and wear it like a badge of honor.

01:28:23.780 Bring it with you into your job interview.

01:28:26.140 And that will make sure you align with an employer who's right for you.

01:28:30.540 Right.

01:28:31.300 Don't say that you support Planned Parenthood the way they want you to.

01:28:34.480 Don't call yourself a feminist because your teacher will give you pats on the head. 1.00

01:28:38.300 Stand up for what you really believe in.

01:28:40.880 And that's how we spread the good word.

01:28:42.360 That's how we convert others over to where we stand rather than just get ahead pretending we're with them and then only once we have power tell our true feelings.

01:28:51.000 It's not worth it.

01:28:52.020 If anybody who came to me with a crappy GPA from one of these elite universities and then showed me all their papers that spoke up for conservatism and America and God and faith, I would hire them in an instant over somebody who emerged with a perfect GPA who went along to get along.

01:29:11.100 That's not a leader.

01:29:11.900 That's a sheep.

01:29:13.260 Don't be like that.

01:29:14.460 Stand up for your beliefs now when it matters.

01:29:18.100 Then I read as I'm reading up on you, you at this private Christian university, Belmont, received an F in college for your conservative views.

01:29:28.520 You actually went and complained to the dean because you knew this professor had it in for you.

01:29:33.840 And you took I mean, you you complained saying this is a bunch of bull.

01:29:38.920 I don't deserve this F.

01:29:40.000 But you preferred to get the bad grade rather than lie about how you really felt when you knew you were sitting there in a progressive professor's classroom.

01:29:49.360 Yes, absolutely.

01:29:50.500 I love what you said, Megan.

01:29:51.400 That's exactly that's exactly the advice that the young people need to hear.

01:29:55.480 And that's what they need to do.

01:29:56.620 And that's what, you know, when I was given the F in comparative politics, I, of course, fought it to really make an example for other students that you can do this.

01:30:05.760 If you want to run it up the flagpole, at least, you know, get it to the parties where they can maybe complain, they can change.

01:30:12.300 They know that they can't get away with this, you know, all of those good things.

01:30:15.020 But honestly, getting the grade was just an indication that I was exemplifying that I wasn't being indoctrinated because it wasn't like I was arguing with everything this professor said at every point that he was saying it.

01:30:27.920 It was that he knew because of my papers, because of what I was saying, because of what I was not agreeing with.

01:30:33.760 You know, this is a comparative politics class.

01:30:36.200 It's not that it's not that political.

01:30:39.280 And I know that sounds funny, but you know what I mean?

01:30:40.980 It's really, you know, it's really kind of cut and dry.

01:30:45.720 Dictatorships are bad.

01:30:46.680 You know, this other form of government's good.

01:30:48.220 It should be very simple.

01:30:49.400 And this guy, as you said, just had it out for me.

01:30:51.740 And so when I got the F and I knew I had to do something about it, ultimately, my advice to people going forward is very similar to yours, is don't write anything that you don't agree with.

01:31:01.280 Don't go forward and have those papers with your name on it that you can't stand behind.

01:31:05.400 And I think that's the most vital piece of information because we have a generation that is so vulnerable, not as much right now because of the messaging that's coming up.

01:31:14.840 But in the last four years, they've just sat there, been good, been good students, been docile.

01:31:19.760 And really, it's about standing up for your beliefs and not compromising on them.

01:31:23.660 Mm hmm. All right. So you've got you, this you, this gal who grows up for a large part in Arkansas, attracted to country music, you become a country music singer and star.

01:31:34.440 You are very involved in veterans charities.

01:31:37.040 You're Christian. You went to a Christian university.

01:31:39.320 You stood up for yourself without doing the liberal talking points there, made a record of what they were doing to you.

01:31:46.060 You get a show on Rumble.

01:31:47.560 Well, I mean, this is like, you know, basically your next step will be Fox News correspondent in the grand scheme of life.

01:31:54.200 But for some reason, the Epstein thing gets blamed on you.

01:31:58.900 And there's a lot of this on the Internet.

01:32:00.860 There are people with millions and millions of followers in posts that have been seen millions and millions of times accusing you of being a spy for Israel.

01:32:11.240 Mostly, mostly Mossad spy could be other spies.

01:32:13.540 We cut just one in soundbite form, but there's so much more.

01:32:17.980 Here's just a sample.

01:32:20.160 Is the director of the FBI caught up in an Israeli honeypot operation? 0.99

01:32:24.980 All right, here's the context.

01:32:26.100 Quote, some social media users have wondered whether the FBI and the U.S. Justice Department's refusal to release the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients could have something to do with Alexis Wilkins,

01:32:35.800 the 26-year-old girlfriend of 45-year-old FBI director Kash Patel.

01:32:40.000 This is what people online are pointing to, the fact that Patel's girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, works for PragerU, which is a media company that supposedly espouses American values,

01:32:49.680 except for the fact that it is run by a former Israeli military intelligence officer.

01:32:56.080 Now, I did a bunch of digging.

01:32:57.400 And unfortunately, there's actually not a lot of public information to go off of in terms of Alexis Wilkins' background.

01:33:03.980 She lived in England and Switzerland before settling in Fayetteville, Arkansas, when she was nine.

01:33:08.780 It also says that she attended College du Le Monde International School in Switzerland.

01:33:14.820 Now, interestingly, ChatGBT is calling this a strange biographical gap in that she has no visible friend network or public high school college cohort interviews,

01:33:24.120 which they say is unusual for a public figure in entertainment, and that if a Mossad asset were inserted early in life,

01:33:30.420 these gaps would be precisely where you'd hide alternate history or handler training.

01:33:34.620 Anyway, I'm not sure what's true or what's not true, but evidently these are, quote,

01:33:39.280 classic elements used in honeypot operations, soft power, ideological alignment, and sexual-emotional entanglement.

01:33:46.740 Okay, the only piece of that that I can glean that is actually true is the CEO of PragerU is actually acknowledges on her bio that she served in military intelligence with the IDF.

01:34:01.980 So she, the CEO of PragerU, has an affiliation, but there's nothing like that about you.

01:34:07.940 So when this started coming out, were you shocked?

01:34:10.700 I mean, do you think this is really basically just that you're with cash?

01:34:15.120 I was shocked.

01:34:16.480 I knew that, you know, that Prager was, this is kind of something that I think people in the deep sides of the internet like to pick at,

01:34:24.360 you know, when they can't figure out what else is wrong.

01:34:26.280 So some of it didn't surprise me when it first started coming up.

01:34:30.120 I was like, all right, you know, this looks like this is what they're focusing on today.

01:34:33.240 But then to your point, Megan, these posts got you millions of views and, you know, I could list all of the ways that this hurt me and my family,

01:34:41.300 but some examples are the fact that people begin harassing you.

01:34:44.340 People start doxing your family.

01:34:46.020 People start, you know, accusing you just aside from all the other stuff that's hurtful,

01:34:50.440 the fact that I've dedicated myself to this movement, to good values, to speaking to children,

01:34:55.020 to doing things that I thought were good that were in line with my values,

01:34:58.280 but also the fact that it's accusing me of manipulating the person that I'm with, that I love.

01:35:04.360 You know, that's a horrible accusation.

01:35:06.440 And seeing this pop off on the internet, I think the initial ones actually didn't tag me.

01:35:10.920 So it was very bizarre to kind of start to see this roll in on my Twitter and it not being a,

01:35:17.060 or my ex and it not being a good influx of what people were talking about.

01:35:21.740 It was very surprising, yes.

01:35:22.760 Um, now what, what did Cash say?

01:35:25.600 Because it's always, it's easier to take the slings and arrows yourself than to see them come to your loved one.

01:35:33.160 Very, very similar to what he said.

01:35:35.140 You know, he, I think he said something similar even in when he got confirmed, you know, you can,

01:35:39.680 you can throw whatever you want at me, but don't, I think his example there was don't,

01:35:44.540 don't mess with the agents in the field, you know,

01:35:46.220 don't mess with the people who have dedicated their lives to law enforcement.

01:35:48.760 And it's honestly very similar, you know, he's fine with people coming after him,

01:35:53.720 printing things that make sense, don't make sense, whatever, ask him the questions.

01:35:58.060 But I think when, when it came to me, he was very frustrated that

01:36:01.760 something that was limited to the governmental side, something that he's obviously, you know,

01:36:06.420 dealing with something that transparently, and Megan, you know, this, I don't know anything about.

01:36:11.100 That's not something that he's allowed to talk about.

01:36:13.380 I have no awareness besides what everyone else is seeing, probably the same questions everyone else has.

01:36:18.860 And so for that to be something that came up that put me into the line of fire,

01:36:22.860 you know, he, he was, he was very unhappy to say the least.

01:36:26.260 So he's been in the news a lot lately since that, the release of that two page memo,

01:36:29.920 which was reportedly a joint effort between FBI and DOJ.

01:36:34.440 And that's what Todd Blanche, the deputy at the DOJ says that there was no daylight between FBI and

01:36:39.900 DOJ on it.

01:36:40.440 But of course there's been all sorts of reports, including my own reporting.

01:36:42.780 And this is true that on the Friday that this all broke, Dan Bongino did tell the administration,

01:36:48.500 it's either Pam Bondi or me.

01:36:49.920 And the only reason he stayed is because he extracted assurances that more information would

01:36:54.700 be released.

01:36:55.380 But some of my audiences come back to said, whatever happened, it's her or me.

01:36:58.620 No, that was true.

01:36:59.380 He, he did say that, though.

01:37:01.620 He had second thoughts once the administration started to say, okay, well, we'll release some

01:37:05.180 more.

01:37:05.440 But there, there, I'm here to tell you there was daylight between the FBI and the DOJ on

01:37:09.600 certain portions of that memo.

01:37:11.520 I think that'll be proven.

01:37:12.620 So how big was the cocktail that Cash needed that night?

01:37:18.460 And do you think this has been tough on him?

01:37:21.440 Because, you know, this is his base too.

01:37:24.340 I think so.

01:37:25.360 I, you know, I think that it's, it's hard when you see anyone you love being attacked

01:37:29.620 for something that you're doing.

01:37:31.080 You know, I've encountered it on the smaller scale as I've been a public figure for long enough

01:37:34.980 to see, you know, people try to picket my, you know, family, try and find people online.

01:37:40.600 You know, they, this is something that people do.

01:37:43.480 Hence, you know, it's funny referring back to the chat GPT investigation that was held

01:37:47.900 on a, on the, the SOT you played, you know, that there aren't any interviews of my friends.

01:37:52.720 Well, there aren't any interviews of my friends because I don't want the internet to attack

01:37:55.800 them.

01:37:56.080 You know, I think it's pretty sensical.

01:37:58.200 But no, he, he's, he's dedicated to the American people as he always has been.

01:38:03.580 You know, I think that what, when people get into government, they, they don't just, you

01:38:08.320 know, snap into something else.

01:38:10.000 You know, people have the same mission that they did on the campaign trail and, and during

01:38:14.020 the time before they were in government, which is really all I can say on that.

01:38:17.100 But I think that, you know, ultimately it's been hard to see me come into the line of fire

01:38:22.980 for something he's already dealing with.

01:38:25.100 Mm-hmm.

01:38:26.160 Would, would you like to see additional Epstein files released?

01:38:29.220 You know what?

01:38:31.440 If people stop calling me a spy, absolutely.

01:38:35.300 Yeah, I can understand.

01:38:36.900 For the record, I should ask you, are you a spy for any government?

01:38:42.120 Definitely not.

01:38:43.420 That is, that is a firm no on that front.

01:38:46.240 Okay.

01:38:46.600 Just, I mean, for the record, we like to ask.

01:38:48.240 Most spies would not admit to it, but I think your background shows us who you are, what your

01:38:52.100 beliefs are and what your priorities have been.

01:38:53.900 Well, I'm happy to have given you the chance to come on and clear your name, Alexis.

01:38:58.660 I'm sorry you've had to go through this, but as you know, life as a public figure is, it's

01:39:03.020 full of ups and downs.

01:39:04.200 On the bright side, at least they care about you.

01:39:06.480 So, so you've got that.

01:39:09.120 True.

01:39:09.580 No, thank you for having me.

01:39:10.720 Thank you for letting me speak to this.

01:39:12.080 I think that when you're in a space, when you've, you know, as I said, sacrificed other

01:39:16.280 avenues to dedicate yourself to where you want to see America and go, how much you care

01:39:20.920 about the American people, how much you care about the history, the constitution, you know,

01:39:25.060 all these things that I grew up just absolutely loving and finding very important.

01:39:30.720 It's, it's really nice to be able to speak on the fact that I am who I say I am and I

01:39:35.060 care about the things I say I care about and hopefully just return to business as usual.

01:39:40.420 Well, the whole thing is also insulting to Cash, who I don't know as well as I know some of

01:39:44.600 the administration figures, but he is extremely bright guy.

01:39:48.280 He's very talented and he seems absolutely lovely.

01:39:52.240 So like to just look at him and say, it's, it's impossible for him to have wound up with

01:39:56.140 this young, beautiful, successful woman is insulting and it's not true. 0.98

01:40:01.680 And it's, I think, mostly generated by people who probably don't know him.

01:40:05.720 Alexis, thank you.

01:40:06.560 And thanks to all of you for joining me today.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 30, 2025

Sydney Sweeney's Return to Cultural Normalcy, Possible Diddy Pardon, and Epstein Media Drama, with Walter Kirn and Alexis Wilkins

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