The Megyn Kelly Show - Tacky and Gross Celeb-Filled Bezos-Sanchez Wedding, and Zohran Mamdani's Fake Origin Story, with Walter Kirn ｜ Ep. 1098

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00:00:31.180 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:43.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:47.500 It's the week we celebrate our nation's Independence Day,

00:00:52.120 hence the American flag on my sweater.

00:00:54.520 I'm getting in the mood. Hope you are too.

00:00:57.480 Next year is going to be the big one, 250 years.

00:01:01.060 I cannot wait, but 249 is pretty good too.

00:01:03.900 I'd be feeling pretty good if I were 249 years old.

00:01:07.040 I mean, it's really kind of crazy.

00:01:08.480 Like not a week goes by that we don't mention one of the founding fathers on this show.

00:01:11.620 Think about it. Think about the legacy that those men left behind.

00:01:16.080 It's just, we're still living it and we're still fighting for it.

00:01:19.160 And thank God we have a Supreme Court that's fighting right along with us these days.

00:01:23.860 In less important, but somewhat interesting news, Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez have officially tied the knot out in Venice, Italy,

00:01:30.840 in front of 200 of their dearest, closest, lifelong family friends like Gail and Oprah.

00:01:37.180 Just kidding.

00:01:38.540 It was a random assortment of celebrities who would help them get headlines.

00:01:42.260 Protesters describing themselves as the no space for Bezos movement.

00:01:48.020 That's actually not so clever.

00:01:49.360 People, they were there trying to disrupt the festivities.

00:01:53.740 Don't they know that there were astronauts present?

00:01:56.160 I mean, the disrespect.

00:01:58.400 We will get into that.

00:01:59.920 Plus some more serious matters.

00:02:01.400 We're on verdict watch now officially in the Diddy case.

00:02:04.400 The jury has the case.

00:02:06.520 I mean, honestly, this could go either way.

00:02:08.160 I believe he should be convicted.

00:02:10.080 If I had to put money on it, I would say he will be convicted.

00:02:14.100 He absolutely should be convicted of at least the prostitution charges.

00:02:19.700 And if he's not, as I said last week, that will be the tell that there was total jury nullification on the basis of his celebrity

00:02:26.340 and the jury being wooed by the fact that they were getting to pass judgment on Sean Diddy Combs.

00:02:31.900 But what I think is going to happen is he's going to be found guilty probably on all three counts.

00:02:35.540 It's five counts, but it's really three, you know, causes of action against him.

00:02:40.160 So the jury has the case.

00:02:41.360 They were charged this morning.

00:02:42.760 And wouldn't you love to be a fly on that wall just to hear the first go around, like the first vote where they go around and say,

00:02:49.160 what do you think?

00:02:49.660 What do you think?

00:02:50.180 What do you think?

00:02:51.080 And there are such different personalities in these juries.

00:02:53.340 I have to tell you, I've both served as a juror and I've tried cases and I've watched as a legal court watcher,

00:02:58.840 you know, in my journalism role for many, many years now.

00:03:02.260 You as a lawyer sometimes intentionally select somebody, you know, will be a follower

00:03:06.220 because maybe you've already intentionally selected the one you think will be your leader

00:03:11.720 and somebody who's more, you know, oriented your way, whether you're the prosecution or the defense.

00:03:16.400 And it's, it would just be such an interesting study for any lawyer to be able to see whether they were right.

00:03:22.400 Did they call this person right as a follower?

00:03:24.520 This person right as a leader?

00:03:26.180 A funny story for you.

00:03:27.040 When I served on a jury, um, God, I think it was 2006.

00:03:33.020 I don't think Doug and I were married.

00:03:34.820 It was 2006 or 2007.

00:03:36.820 So going on, you know, 20 years ago now, um, really interesting case, really enjoyed doing it,

00:03:43.040 bonded with my fellow jurors.

00:03:45.140 And just six months ago, I was down in DC for, um, on business and there was a guy with me in

00:03:54.180 the elevator and he was kind of looking at me and, you know, I never know whether it's just

00:03:57.320 somebody who knows me from whatever television or the show, or whether it's just a person who's

00:04:03.580 curious.

00:04:04.780 Anyway, the guy comes up to me after we get an elevator and he goes, are you Megan Kelly?

00:04:08.660 I said, yeah, it was a guy I had served on the jury with all those years earlier.

00:04:14.240 And we reminisced a bit in any event, long winded way of saying that jury's together.

00:04:18.740 And for the first time is getting to talk about these seven weeks of testimony, 34 witnesses

00:04:26.040 in a trial that has dominated the news now for weeks.

00:04:31.420 Uh, we're on it for you.

00:04:32.700 Also, uh, we're watching this nutcase, Soren Mamdami, uh, take over the media.

00:04:39.000 His tour is in full effect, coinciding with the boisterous end of thank God pride month. 0.99

00:04:44.240 And there's a lot to get to with our friend, Walter Kern, go and read his work at Walter

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00:05:57.940 Welcome back, Walter.

00:05:59.020 Great to have you.

00:06:00.540 I'm really happy to be here.

00:06:03.400 Um, okay.

00:06:04.360 So let, let's just start.

00:06:06.220 I know this is a curve ball, but let's just start with this ridiculous wedding that took 0.89

00:06:10.040 place over this weekend because this is, these two were behaving like they thought they were 0.91

00:06:18.060 royalty.

00:06:18.540 They were, you know, she did the balcony wave.

00:06:22.760 Like she's a Maryland figure or, or a genuine British Royal, you know, blowing the kisses 0.58

00:06:28.520 and they had the ship, their yacht, which has its own yacht, carting them around with their

00:06:34.660 massive amounts of foam dripping into the Mediterranean, which I'm sure is not eco-friendly too bad.

00:06:41.420 Cause Leonardo, Leonardo DiCaprio was there.

00:06:43.600 I'm sure he didn't approve of the amount being spent on the foam into the med.

00:06:48.300 Um, and from what I can tell, Walter, almost no actual friends.

00:06:53.940 They don't know Gail King.

00:06:55.940 She, they, they invited Gail on that ridiculous space flight so they could get some news coverage 0.97

00:07:00.940 on CBS and now because she did it, she's at the wedding, Oprah.

00:07:06.240 They don't know Oprah.

00:07:07.500 That's a lie too.

00:07:09.160 Oprah went and watched Gail go up in this thing.

00:07:11.540 So now she gets an invite.

00:07:13.540 Why?

00:07:14.460 Because she's a celebrity, Leonardo DiCaprio.

00:07:17.280 I'm sure they're really tight with Leonardo.

00:07:19.540 I'm sure it's Sydney Sweeney, the new toast of the town out there because she's got these 0.98

00:07:24.580 enormous breasts that everybody's obsessed with. 0.98

00:07:26.740 How does she wind up there? 0.72

00:07:28.420 If you told me it was like Lauren Sanchez's colleagues from the first news station she

00:07:33.800 worked at.

00:07:35.020 Sure.

00:07:35.460 That's normal.

00:07:36.540 That's what a true friend would do.

00:07:39.000 Invite their lifelong friends or Jeff Bezos when he first opened Amazon.

00:07:43.360 Yeah.

00:07:43.660 Okay.

00:07:43.840 I get it.

00:07:44.260 Even Bill Gates was there.

00:07:45.280 I'll give him that one.

00:07:46.280 Huge fellow tech Titan.

00:07:48.340 But this was meant to generate headlines and fawning coverage and accolades and nothing

00:07:56.920 better encapsulates that than the moment they got married, she wiped her Instagram clean

00:08:04.060 and repopulated it with her Vogue magazine spread photographs and just the one post of Lauren

00:08:13.860 Sanchez Bezos and their picture from Vogue.

00:08:17.860 Give me a break.

00:08:19.620 What does this say about us, if anything?

00:08:23.320 Well, it was a Las Vegas wedding held against the backdrop of a civilized European city.

00:08:30.100 And it should have probably been held in the Las Vegas version of Venice rather than the

00:08:35.300 real version.

00:08:37.860 Venice is a city of great commercial enterprise.

00:08:41.220 It was a very rich city.

00:08:43.160 All the ships of the world went out from Venice and the banking of the world was centered there.

00:08:47.640 So this is an attempt to take over with the new class, the sort of old world charisma of this 0.79

00:08:55.020 wonderful place.

00:08:56.740 Everybody looked tacky.

00:08:58.500 As you say, the guest list seemed to have been chosen by a PR firm.

00:09:02.700 Where was his little league coach, his favorite professor, you know, the guy who stuck with him,

00:09:08.460 like you say, in the early days of business when nobody thought he was going to be a big deal.

00:09:13.020 It was impersonal.

00:09:14.580 It was tacky.

00:09:15.780 It was expensive.

00:09:17.220 It made a lot of money, strangely, for his nemesis, Elon Musk, because most people used X to,

00:09:24.820 you know, tune into this thing.

00:09:27.460 So he spent 50 million and I think Elon made 50.

00:09:30.900 But the great irony, and it's only known to somebody over-educated like me, is that the

00:09:40.020 ruler of Venice and the great palace of Venice was called the Doge.

00:09:47.640 Remember that?

00:09:49.440 The Doge palace, the Doge of Venice.

00:09:52.080 Where have we heard that word?

00:09:53.340 It's, I think that Elon and Jeff are, as they are in space, engaged in a coded

00:10:01.720 confrontation, competition with each other beyond all of our heads to be, you know, the

00:10:10.180 world's, you know, the world's billionaire.

00:10:13.320 And Jeff, after Elon had a rather unpopular run recently with some people and a very popular

00:10:20.140 with others, Jeff has sunk to the bottom of that ranking, as far as I'm concerned.

00:10:26.360 I look at Lauren Sanchez and I think this is somebody who in another life and many years

00:10:33.280 ago in her life, I could have been friends with.

00:10:35.460 She's a journalist.

00:10:36.700 She's a helicopter pilot. 0.79

00:10:38.660 She was, you know, moving up the ranks in the journalism business.

00:10:42.080 And that's great.

00:10:43.080 I mean, that's somebody who I have got lots of friends in the journalism business.

00:10:46.500 And then there's another strain of Lauren Sanchez, which seemed to be a person determined

00:10:51.520 to marry or date her way into fame, a fame she was unable to attend, to achieve as a journalist,

00:10:59.580 as a newscaster.

00:11:01.580 No one knew who the hell she was. 0.97

00:11:02.960 She wasn't famous.

00:11:04.160 She didn't make it on any sort of national level, but she married some famous or was

00:11:08.140 with, I can't, I'm still unsure, some famous professional athlete.

00:11:12.660 Then she married the co-head of WMG, the Ari Emanuel firm.

00:11:19.640 Here's yet another one of her Vogue photos in her underwear.

00:11:22.400 Right.

00:11:23.020 Because we all celebrate our weddings, Walter, by posing first our wedding dress, then in

00:11:30.420 our underwear with just a peak of breast in the photo.

00:11:34.260 I'm not sure how I celebrated mine.

00:11:36.340 And then she traded up from that Patrick White cell into Jeff Bezos.

00:11:40.780 And that, of course, was widely reported to be an extramarital affair by both Sanchez

00:11:45.520 and Bezos, while they were both married to other people.

00:11:48.640 And this is just a long winded way of saying, I think something's happened to her.

00:11:54.340 Like she just kept wanting to trade up when it came to money and power and fame and not

00:12:02.720 coincidentally kept trading up, obviously, on the plastic surgery.

00:12:07.200 Only by up, I mean poorly.

00:12:10.180 She got connected with the Kardashians.

00:12:12.080 Up and out.

00:12:13.260 Yeah.

00:12:13.920 Up and out.

00:12:14.760 All of whom were there by begging, according to Page Six, they had an exclusive that they

00:12:20.560 actually only wanted Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner.

00:12:22.740 And Kris Jenner begged to have all the Kardashian daughters invited. 0.97

00:12:25.660 So they, they relented, but she, Lauren Sanchez has clearly spent too much time with them now

00:12:30.800 because she's clearly gotten the weirdly skinny waist that no 55 year old woman magically 1.00

00:12:36.340 develops at 55, the enhanced clearly bottom, the overly enhanced breasts, the very bizarre 0.96

00:12:43.260 looking face where it just gets like super, super bloated with, I don't know if it's filler

00:12:49.400 or what it is, but like weirdly puffy under the eyes to where your eyes look like almost

00:12:54.600 Asian, but you're not Asian. 0.99

00:12:57.440 And then of course, weirdly puffy lips that only their Kardashian doctor can give you that 0.99

00:13:04.280 look porn star-ish, fake and ghoulish. 0.94

00:13:09.060 I mean, you look like a Mr. Potato Head. 1.00

00:13:10.880 You no longer look human.

00:13:12.420 So she spent too much time with these people and she's morphed.

00:13:15.040 I think chasing these false gods has gotten her to look like a morphed, just unrelatable 1.00

00:13:23.940 plastic version of the beautiful woman who used to be there striving in earnest to make 0.99

00:13:30.100 it on her own, but instead kind of sold out.

00:13:33.780 That's how I see her.

00:13:34.920 Anyway, you take it from here. 1.00

00:13:36.780 She looks like a sex doll that you pump up with a foot pump and she's been getting a few 1.00

00:13:41.600 more pumps every few months, but he's a pretty augmented character himself. 0.99

00:13:46.700 You know, Jeff was a skinny Princeton nerd when he started Amazon and now he's a beastly 0.99

00:13:51.980 man, you know, man monster with huge guns and, you know, testosterone infected gays and a 1.00

00:14:01.240 very, uh, uh, how can I put it, uh, lordly, uh, alpha manner. 0.99

00:14:08.620 So I think they're both now they're, they're doll fantasies of themselves.

00:14:14.280 It was like watching them.

00:14:16.220 Yeah.

00:14:16.660 It was like watching the marriage of two Mattel products, you know, uh, you know, man, man,

00:14:23.300 and boob woman, uh, and will they be able to reproduce? 1.00

00:14:29.340 Will they want to?

00:14:30.460 That's the question because they're, if they do, they'll give birth to a child who looks 0.97

00:14:35.200 like a human being and will gaze up from his crib at these, you know, rather, uh, bizarre

00:14:42.540 creatures that raised him.

00:14:44.100 Will he want to be like them?

00:14:45.480 Who knows?

00:14:46.940 What do you make of the, the guest list?

00:14:49.360 I mean, it was just so, and I think back to when I married Doug and we, you know, it's

00:14:53.060 my second marriage.

00:14:53.980 So I didn't meet Doug until I was 35 and we got married when I was 37.

00:14:57.940 Who's there?

00:14:58.900 All my friends from Fox news, some of my lawyer friends, you know, some friends from my childhood.

00:15:05.100 That's who you invite.

00:15:06.140 Like I, what is the point of inviting all these Hollywood celebrities?

00:15:10.720 If it's not just an attention grab at a wedding, you're supposed to have people who've

00:15:15.260 known you for a long time.

00:15:16.440 You couldn't tell jokes about the time your, your swim trunks fell off when you dived into

00:15:21.140 the pond and embarrassing stories from when you were young, but none of those people were

00:15:26.440 there.

00:15:27.060 Uh, I'm sure they had a, maybe they had a viewing party for the actual friends back in

00:15:32.260 some bar and Poughkeepsie or something.

00:15:34.860 Um, but, uh, yeah, it was a brand awareness wedding.

00:15:39.420 You know, people brought their brands.

00:15:41.380 The only disappointment for me in the wedding was that when they stepped gingerly down into

00:15:46.780 those gondolas that were floating in the canals, nobody wiped out.

00:15:51.280 I thought they were going to wait, be way more sort of high heel disasters, people going into 1.00

00:15:55.980 the drink.

00:15:56.960 Um, but there just wasn't, there wasn't enough schadenfreude.

00:16:00.080 I mean, there's plenty of schadenfreude in the sense that we hope all of them, uh, you

00:16:06.660 know, have boating accidents on the way home or, you know, their helicopters have to land

00:16:12.660 in, you know, uh, hostile countries, but, uh, I don't think anything's bad, bad is going

00:16:18.160 to happen.

00:16:18.520 And this is kind of like the French flaundry, uh, uh, interlude during COVID with Newsom showing

00:16:25.260 that no matter what happens to the rest of the world, he's going to be just fine.

00:16:29.920 You know, we were going to have world war three a week ago, but that was not going to stop 0.99

00:16:34.300 this wedding.

00:16:35.300 I am sure that, you know, had the, even the missiles been flying, these people would have

00:16:40.600 grabbed our attention.

00:16:41.980 It's, it's a kind of arrogance that you see in the movies, citizen Kane or something like

00:16:46.880 that.

00:16:49.300 Um, and I think it's message ultimately is you can't touch this.

00:16:53.100 You can't touch us.

00:16:54.620 Well, that's how it feels.

00:16:55.820 It's a very, very let them eat cake kind of moment at a time when half of these people

00:17:01.700 are members of a party.

00:17:03.580 Probably all of them are members of a party that's lecturing us on how we have to get rid

00:17:08.820 of the oligarchy, right?

00:17:10.200 Like Leonardo DiCaprio with his environmental list lectures.

00:17:14.820 What, how do you explain all the planes that were required?

00:17:18.140 The private, private flights that took Oprah and Bill Gates and the rest there, Leo and

00:17:24.440 probably Leo too.

00:17:25.340 And all the boats here, he is getting in one of the Venetian, uh, boats to get to the weddings,

00:17:30.800 uh, the wedding events.

00:17:32.060 Like all of these people claim to speak for values that were not on full display here.

00:17:38.140 You've got AOC and Bernie out literally on a stop the oligarchy tour.

00:17:42.140 Meanwhile, everybody there was a Democrat, Oprah, Gail.

00:17:45.580 I mean, I don't know about the Kardashians.

00:17:47.560 I assume they are.

00:17:48.480 Where was Barack Obama?

00:17:50.360 Where was Barack?

00:17:51.160 You would think he would have shown up at this.

00:17:53.520 There are certain, uh, global all stars like David Geffen and Bruce Springsteen that you

00:17:58.960 would think would show up.

00:18:00.360 I think they embarrassed even some of them, frankly.

00:18:03.800 Uh, I, I, I get, I, I get the feeling that there were people who were invited who, um,

00:18:08.820 had, uh, children's birthdays.

00:18:10.800 They had to attend in New Jersey.

00:18:13.020 Uh, you, you, you really, you really, you really had to go over the line and be willing 0.99

00:18:20.400 to be hated for at least a year and a half and called a hypocrite for the rest of your 0.99

00:18:25.260 life, uh, to attend this wedding. 0.98

00:18:27.440 Was it worth it?

00:18:28.660 We'll see.

00:18:29.840 Here's Lauren Sanchez, uh, pre the wedding photo shoot with Vogue, um, talking about,

00:18:35.680 you know, what she's, what she's gotten from Jeff and what's happening on this day.

00:18:41.160 It's like so emotional.

00:18:42.780 It's really emotional.

00:18:44.540 I want to be a mess, but in the best possible way.

00:18:49.660 And let's talk about the dress.

00:18:51.820 Just feels like, I don't know, I'm curious, everything I've walked through to get here.

00:18:56.160 It's elegant, it's timeless, it's soft.

00:19:02.020 Domenico really captured something that feels like where I am right in this moment right

00:19:09.140 now.

00:19:09.560 Okay. 1.00

00:19:13.220 Your tits, your tits, ass and lips is what you are in this moment right now. 1.00

00:19:17.820 It used to be that Vogue was a rather tasteful high fashion magazine and now it's just gone 1.00

00:19:22.960 Lollapalooza, um, you know, full on bread and circuses.

00:19:29.100 And, uh, does America need this?

00:19:33.380 Maybe in our last gasp before full socialism, we'll look back on this and these will be the

00:19:38.740 days, you know, remember when you could have a $50 million wedding and, you know, Luigi

00:19:43.840 didn't come in the middle with a AR.

00:19:46.580 Uh, can I tell you, let me give you a couple more, let me give you a couple more.

00:19:52.320 So she's, that's her in her pre wedding shoot, wearing her full wedding gown.

00:19:56.540 So that Vogue can have the exclusive of her in the wedding gown. 1.00

00:20:00.900 As soon as they say, I do, God forbid, we just actually put on our wedding gown and be

00:20:05.420 seen for the first time by our, by our husbands and our, our wedding party in it.

00:20:09.480 Um, she wore a dress custom designed over a year and a half by Dolce and Gabbana.

00:20:15.780 Um, it's based on the wedding dress.

00:20:18.140 Sophia Loren wore to marry Cary Grant in the 1958 film houseboat for the wedding dinner.

00:20:24.560 She wore a sweetheart neck corseted gown for the reception.

00:20:28.200 She opted for a cocktail dress by Oscar de la Renta featuring 600 yards of hand-sewn

00:20:34.040 chain and fifth, 175,000 crystals on her jewelry.

00:20:40.440 An insider told page six, it said, Lauren will wear a long list of precious jewels throughout 0.86

00:20:45.080 the festivity festivities that could easily be worth between 20 and $30 million.

00:20:50.820 Um, she did the digital, uh, Vogue treatment landing on the cover for this thing.

00:20:56.500 She wore a secret souvenir at the wedding that she brought along as well on her blue origin

00:21:01.980 fake space trip as her something blue telling Vogue, this was because it was literally one

00:21:08.740 of the most profound experiences I've ever had in my life.

00:21:12.780 Seeing earth from space, I came down and I couldn't describe it.

00:21:17.660 It was the greatest experience I've ever had.

00:21:20.360 Jeff said, it's going to change you more than you think.

00:21:23.340 And it completely has visually spiritually.

00:21:27.240 Meanwhile, her quote, after she got back to land, Walter was so dark.

00:21:34.080 It's so quiet.

00:21:39.000 She, she's not exactly a novelist. 0.88

00:21:41.080 And if she was ever a journalist, I can't believe she was a very good one because to

00:21:45.020 go to space and then have nothing to say about it is a real accomplishment.

00:21:48.580 Um, usually people who go to space have this kind of mystic, uh, vision of the earth as

00:21:56.580 one and floating alone in the darkness of the universe and how we're all, you know, we're

00:22:02.800 all just people and it shrinks their egos rather than expands them.

00:22:07.840 But it seemed to have the opposite effect on her.

00:22:11.140 Um, also, I hope to vote.

00:22:13.320 Let me give it to you firsthand so you don't have to take my, my interpretation of it.

00:22:16.860 Here's thought 24 earth looked so, it was so quiet.

00:22:23.100 It was just quiet.

00:22:24.540 And, um, is it what you expected?

00:22:28.220 No, no better.

00:22:32.620 I don't think you can describe it.

00:22:34.740 Um, cause you can't, you know what I was saying?

00:22:37.220 It was like, um, quiet, but then also really alive and you look at it and you're like quiet.

00:22:44.980 We're all in this together, but alive, Jeff, before I left, I just went like, you know,

00:22:51.100 I had to come back.

00:22:53.320 I mean, we're getting married.

00:22:54.860 If I didn't come back, that would be, that would be, that would be a bummer for me.

00:22:59.660 Only you, by the way, would say this to me.

00:23:01.420 You said, Jeff, if he, if you don't want to marry me, you don't have to send me to space.

00:23:05.040 You don't have to send me to space.

00:23:08.800 Oh my God.

00:23:09.840 Hmm.

00:23:10.820 It's a miracle they found each other.

00:23:12.880 When you go to space for, in science fiction, you age a little differently than the people

00:23:17.920 on earth and come back.

00:23:19.580 She seems to have come back as an eight year old.

00:23:23.000 Um, she's the only person I know who ends sentence with, is with, well, it's really shh.

00:23:29.980 And I really thought it was, ah, I mean, those aren't words.

00:23:34.800 Um, I don't know.

00:23:37.860 The reason it was quiet, I would venture is because she was sealed inside a space capsule.

00:23:43.400 It wasn't the earth that was quiet.

00:23:45.300 It was your space capsule.

00:23:49.400 It's so absurd that we now have to look at these people.

00:23:52.660 That's what was bothering me.

00:23:53.940 It was like the, the kisses from the balcony and the waving, like she, like truly, like

00:23:59.660 she's a queen. 0.97

00:24:00.740 And then you had the parade of celebrities, reportedly Lady Gaga and Elton John expected

00:24:05.600 to perform at one of the events.

00:24:07.960 Um, here's the thing.

00:24:09.940 They then had whatever, some party, I guess, after the wedding party, it was a three night

00:24:16.360 extravaganza.

00:24:17.300 And this, the last night was celebrated with ready Walter.

00:24:22.220 I know, I know you've been to many weddings like this, a pajama party, Oprah, or a shimmery

00:24:31.540 bronze ensemble featuring feather trimmed cuffs.

00:24:36.160 Gail wore a tank dress topped with a colorful patent patterned robe.

00:24:41.880 Kim Kardashian wore, of course, a corseted look with sheer stockings and garters and Lauren 1.00

00:24:48.020 Sanchez.

00:24:48.880 Here's Kim Kardashian.

00:24:49.760 Always bringing the class.

00:24:51.220 Look at her.

00:24:52.160 Is it really a party?

00:24:53.240 If you haven't seen Kim Kardashian's breasts and Lauren Sanchez, Bezos wore a pink gown 1.00

00:24:59.400 because that's what everybody sleeps in.

00:25:01.200 Don't you sleep in a pink gown, ladies? 1.00

00:25:03.500 Go ahead, Walter.

00:25:04.260 Aren't pajamas supposed to be loose and comfortable and have little footies?

00:25:09.300 And aren't people supposed to turn out the lights secretly in the middle of a pajama party

00:25:13.420 and somebody gets to second?

00:25:16.340 This was not the pajama.

00:25:18.200 You just have to stand in an elevator with Lauren Sanchez and you've gotten to second.

00:25:21.500 I hope, by the way, that the Vogue cover of her is their first 3D cover because I don't think you can appreciate her figure without the 3D effect.

00:25:32.580 They really regressed, didn't they?

00:25:36.820 I mean, to a pajama party.

00:25:38.820 Oh, my gosh.

00:25:39.480 I bet they were talking pizza at each other.

00:25:42.180 That's what they're trying to telegraph.

00:25:43.420 We're just regular people now and I'm going to wear my corset and my pink gown.

00:25:47.880 Before the end of the show, I am going to go into my closet and I am going to take out a pair of actual pajamas

00:25:54.240 so you can see how actual people go to sleep.

00:25:56.580 And there will not be a feather to be shown.

00:25:59.540 It does not involve a corset.

00:26:01.480 Who the hell goes to sleep in a corset? 1.00

00:26:03.880 What is this?

00:26:04.720 Even the ladies of the 1700s didn't do that. 1.00

00:26:07.680 This is all just so fake.

00:26:09.540 It's just like a fake display of fake celebrity.

00:26:15.180 Fakeness.

00:26:15.420 Fake humility.

00:26:16.700 Yeah.

00:26:16.900 Fake pajamas and fake friendships.

00:26:20.340 All of it.

00:26:21.000 It's just that's it's so off-putting.

00:26:23.640 Do you think they had to pay for those invitations?

00:26:27.000 Do you think that their agents negotiated their attendance at these things?

00:26:32.080 I do.

00:26:33.840 Ari Emanuel was there, who she might actually know because she was married to his business partner at WME.

00:26:40.280 But I guarantee you something like Ari Emanuel said, let's get Sidney Sweeney there.

00:26:46.400 I represent her and she's a rising star.

00:26:48.420 It'd be great to see her names in the headlines.

00:26:50.080 And these two were like, great, no problem.

00:26:52.220 I'm imagining that to be clear.

00:26:54.140 But I know these things are done all the time just to get like an up-and-coming starlet in the headlines.

00:27:02.320 That's why Kris Jenner insisted that the other lesser-known, lesser-accomplished Kardashians get an invite, right?

00:27:10.200 Because they're like, she's like, I need to see their name in the headlines.

00:27:14.760 I need whatever, the model.

00:27:16.740 And I need the young one who used to look a thousand times different than she does right now. 0.92

00:27:21.840 I need her in the headlines.

00:27:23.560 I need like all of them.

00:27:24.700 What does it matter if we show up, if we just enjoy ourselves?

00:27:27.940 That's not the point.

00:27:29.400 The point is the picture and to see our names in the headlines.

00:27:32.720 Well, you know, I'm a novelist.

00:27:35.200 That's really what I do.

00:27:36.480 And I write books and screenplays and so on.

00:27:39.240 And Amazon started as a company that sold books.

00:27:42.980 You know, it's America's bookstore.

00:27:45.400 There was no literary content whatsoever at these things.

00:27:49.260 The people were barely literate.

00:27:50.840 I didn't see any of them reading.

00:27:52.920 And it was 100% showbiz.

00:27:56.840 And what's strange is Hollywood isn't really doing that well these days.

00:28:00.820 But they acted as though it was a glorious golden age.

00:28:05.000 And I think it was really the swan song for celebrity culture.

00:28:09.560 I really do.

00:28:10.800 People like you, Megan, and others have started in this new media.

00:28:14.620 And soon movies will be much cheaper and made by AI.

00:28:18.300 And we'll be rid of these folks in many ways.

00:28:22.680 Okay, now I want to tell you that this morning on AM Update, we ended the podcast by saying that when they finished their vows,

00:28:32.060 they had their friends sing Whitney Houston's Higher Love to them.

00:28:38.500 And that is indeed what they did along with a gospel choir that led it.

00:28:42.340 And Doug, my husband, goes, didn't Steve Wynwood sing Higher Love?

00:28:45.880 He is right.

00:28:47.140 The Steve Wynwood did sing Higher Love.

00:28:49.760 He co-wrote and originally released it in 1986.

00:28:52.760 But Whitney covered the song in 1990 for her album, I'm Your Baby Tonight.

00:28:58.240 And that was the version that Lauren and Jeff wanted sung to them by their attendees and a gospel choir.

00:29:07.880 So it was Whitney Houston's version of Higher Love.

00:29:10.560 And by that, they mean love you find while you're married to two other people surreptitiously behind their backs when they're not looking or looking at your phone.

00:29:19.580 That's the higher love that they found that they wanted us to sing about and think about as we celebrate their union.

00:29:27.280 No, this was a celebration of lower love, the lowest love that exists.

00:29:31.940 And that song, in fact, is about seeking a transcendent spiritual love above mere human love.

00:29:39.420 So they got it wrong in every way.

00:29:43.440 Wrong attribution to Whitney.

00:29:46.560 Wrong song for a place that was for a wedding that was a celebration of jewels, $20 million outfits.

00:29:57.900 I just hope they took all of these wardrobes, packed them into a giant trunk and have given them to a food bank in Newark, New Jersey, because they could keep it running forever.

00:30:10.320 It's not that I think they spent too much money.

00:30:13.440 It's just that I now think they should give away what's left over.

00:30:17.760 Yeah.

00:30:18.320 OK, I have a sweet story to tell you now.

00:30:20.660 Now, palate cleanser before the next story.

00:30:22.800 Speaking of giving clothes away.

00:30:24.300 We have friends here at the beach who I featured on the show a couple of years ago.

00:30:30.520 And the reason I featured them was because they lost their 17 year old son, Blake Barklage, to myocarditis.

00:30:39.380 It was a sudden cardiac event and they they don't know what caused it.

00:30:44.260 He everybody thought, OK, it's covid, it's vaccines.

00:30:47.280 They really don't know.

00:30:48.220 He had had both covid and two Pfizer shots, but they don't know.

00:30:52.400 The point is they lost their son and they're dear friends of ours.

00:30:56.020 And they started a charity in their son's name.

00:31:00.200 It's called Blake Gives Back.

00:31:01.740 And they help do like heart screenings at high schools to try to help this from to stop this from happening from up to other young boys or girls.

00:31:09.820 And they do a bunch of different things and they raise funds to try to help other kids.

00:31:14.560 Anyway, they gave some of the Blake gear that they had, which always has like the BB on it, Blake Barklage, to a homeless shelter.

00:31:25.160 And Tom, the dad, was driving his car today.

00:31:30.320 And what did he see?

00:31:31.660 But he saw a guy out on the street who was clearly homeless or indigent with all this Blake Parklage gear on him.

00:31:40.520 And it was like and he said, you know, this yeah, he said, you know, this guy's got a guardian angel up there right now.

00:31:47.160 Blake's looking down at him right now, trying to figure out how to help this guy take his next steps.

00:31:51.500 And I don't know, just as you see like the just the banality of people like Sanchez and Bezos, you you're reminded of the goodness of your fellow man by the family Barklage and stories like that, where it's like one small good deed.

00:32:07.180 You know, you see it manifesting out on the road and you think right on, you know, right on.

00:32:12.120 That's that's the kind of human most of us actually spend our days with.

00:32:15.400 Yeah, it wasn't an inspiring example of human giving or human empathy.

00:32:23.620 That's for sure.

00:32:24.680 I don't expect to see a homeless person on the streets of San Francisco robed in one of these five million dollar pajama bejeweled pajama outfits.

00:32:34.740 But, you know, what the final takeaway is, is that Donald Trump thought to be the most garish, gauche and vulgar American rich person is now now looks like Prince Edward or Cary Grant compared to these people.

00:32:51.000 I mean, they have outdone him in the vulgar department by a factor of 10.

00:32:58.320 Yeah, that's right.

00:32:59.060 It does feel vulgar.

00:32:59.980 But that's, you know, it's so interesting because truly all these people are Democrats, guaranteed they're Democrats.

00:33:05.360 Jeff Bezos showed up at the Trump inauguration because he wanted access to power.

00:33:09.720 I don't think there's any realistic chance he voted for Trump or wanted Trump or is voted Republican.

00:33:15.200 He runs the Washington Post for God's sake.

00:33:18.260 Yeah, no, right.

00:33:18.920 Exactly.

00:33:19.280 But I mean, he owns the Washington Post.

00:33:20.760 If he actually cared about changing America in Trump's image or consistent with Trump's policies, would we have the Washington Post?

00:33:28.280 We have no, we would not.

00:33:29.980 So it's, you know, it's whatever it it's false.

00:33:33.660 However, the Democrats, his party, I guarantee you that's his party and the others who are there from Leo to Oprah to Gail.

00:33:41.700 They're the ones who are telling us stop the oligarchy.

00:33:44.540 They're the ones who just elected this nutcase as their nominee in New York.

00:33:48.860 Right.

00:33:49.680 This Zoran Mondami.

00:33:51.600 They're the ones who are out there every day lecturing us about how wealth is bad and it needs to be taxed.

00:33:56.940 Or the latest message by this mom, Dami, that has emerged is he said on the Sunday shows, I don't think there should be any billionaires.

00:34:04.300 While literally saying for the entire campaign that he just ran and won, we're going to tax all the billionaires.

00:34:10.900 That's what's going to pay for my plan.

00:34:12.300 I'm going to give all these free giveaways to all of New Yorkers by taxing the billionaires.

00:34:16.680 And then he tells the CBS or the Sunday shows, where is it?

00:34:19.920 Which one is it, Deb?

00:34:20.780 That he doesn't believe there should be any.

00:34:22.120 It was meet the press on NBC's Hot One.

00:34:25.100 You are a self-described democratic socialist.

00:34:28.260 Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist?

00:34:32.300 I don't think that we should have billionaires because, frankly, it is so much money in a moment of such inequality.

00:34:38.860 And ultimately, what we need more of is equality across our city and across our state and across our country.

00:34:44.820 And I look forward to work with everyone, including billionaires, to make a city that is fairer for all of them.

00:34:51.560 So there you have it.

00:34:52.600 Well, there aren't going to be many billionaires left in your city, Zoran.

00:34:57.500 So you're solving the problem merely by trying to get elected.

00:35:01.440 A lot of them are moving to Palm Beach or wherever they can get out of reach of your tax man.

00:35:09.020 Does he mean by them not existing that they shouldn't be alive or that they shouldn't have a billion dollars?

00:35:14.820 And finally, the problem with Zoran is that he doesn't look like a guy who grew up on the street.

00:35:25.600 He didn't.

00:35:26.800 His parents are rich.

00:35:28.820 Yeah.

00:35:29.140 His mom's a film director.

00:35:31.300 I'm sure he's gotten the best acting coaching since age three.

00:35:34.640 And that is part of his appeal.

00:35:36.640 His father's a tenured professor at Columbia University.

00:35:41.920 And he just he skipped the whole, you know, remember when Lech Walesa overthrew the communists?

00:35:49.420 He was a working man.

00:35:50.620 He worked in his shipyard.

00:35:51.780 Back when in the days, American socialism was based in the labor movement and it came from really rough guys who worked in factories and, you know, did that kind of thing.

00:36:05.420 Now it's socialism from the top.

00:36:08.080 He might not be an oligarch, but he's been to many of their parties.

00:36:12.140 I promise you.

00:36:13.100 Yes.

00:36:14.400 And he's so his mom has she's a relatively well-known film director who, according to him, was given the opportunity to direct according to her, she says, was given the opportunity to direct one of the Harry Potter films, which has made something like, I don't know, nine hundred million dollars.

00:36:31.380 And he talked her out of doing it in favor of directing something that was more akin with, like, their values.

00:36:38.640 And that made 20 million.

00:36:40.660 So he like this was his this is the guy who's going to be our economic steward in America's greatest city.

00:36:46.500 Like, you know what?

00:36:48.020 Why don't you forego the billion dollar film for the 20 million dollar film because it'll make me feel good about myself.

00:36:53.880 He's out there cosplaying like a third world person because he lived in Uganda for the first seven years and then moved here.

00:37:03.080 He's 33.

00:37:03.900 This video of him eating with his fingers is circulating while he's talking about how he understands the third world.

00:37:12.260 I mean, literally, his mother's, I think, got millions here.

00:37:15.160 Watch this.

00:37:15.680 So the third holy grail of taboos in American politics, you have socialism, you have Islam and then you have Palestine and you are really going for the trifecta. 0.94

00:37:27.260 Let's go, baby.

00:37:28.120 Let's go.

00:37:28.920 Tell me, why is Palestine a part of your politics?

00:37:32.060 When you grow up as someone, especially in the third world, you have a very different understanding of the Palestinian struggle.

00:37:39.800 So I don't know what's happening there, but somebody was defending him, saying he was using a piece of bread.

00:37:48.280 He certainly looks like he's scooping his fingers into his food and shoving it into his mouth.

00:37:52.800 And I actually don't really care if there was bread or not, but it's even worse if there's not bread.

00:37:56.640 That's not how somebody who's an American eats, but it's him cosplaying third world person and understanding third world, even though his mother is this multimillionaire film director.

00:38:09.880 And his father is a chaired professor at Columbia.

00:38:15.000 Well, Americans always want their cake and eat it, too.

00:38:18.360 They want to lose weight without eating less.

00:38:21.460 They want to learn in their sleep and they want everything, you know, in its impossible form.

00:38:28.100 And now we want socialism from the point of view of a Nepo baby, which is the only way you could still believe in it at this point, because if you've actually lived it, like many of the refugees and migrants to America, he's the kind of politician that has caused people to emigrate to America. 1.00

00:38:48.920 Because leaders like him have impoverished the countries that they come from.

00:38:53.920 They must be like looking at each other and going, oh, no, not this again.

00:38:59.740 So he is running when he was running.

00:39:04.100 He just won the Democratic nomination.

00:39:05.360 As a reminder, the actual general election is four months away in November for the mayor of New York.

00:39:09.420 But while running, he made clear that he wanted to divide the city in terms of race, that that's how he was going to determine who to tax more, who was advantaged and who wasn't.

00:39:20.800 And he was asked about this and his focus on whiteness when he went on Meet the Press.

00:39:28.280 He's got a campaign platform that calls for the city's notoriously skewed property tax system in which ritzy brownstones are hit at lower rates than homes and rentals in lower income neighborhoods, which even some of his Republican competitors have acknowledged could be a problem.

00:39:45.320 Like they're not it's it got this way through some wackadoodle policies, but even those who have been talking about this talk about it in terms of people who make a bunch of money shouldn't have a lower property tax than people who don't.

00:39:57.300 Right. But what here's how he talks about it on his Web site.

00:40:00.580 Shift the tax burden from overtaxed homeowners in the outer boroughs to more expensive homes in richer.

00:40:07.700 Wait for it. And whiter neighborhoods.

00:40:11.540 Now, what does white have to do with it? 0.62

00:40:15.800 Why didn't richer get it done?

00:40:18.420 This came up when he went on Meet the Press this weekend.

00:40:21.100 And here's how that went.

00:40:23.600 Explain why you are bringing race into your tax proposal.

00:40:27.380 That is just a description of what we see right now.

00:40:31.140 It's not driven by race.

00:40:32.280 It's more of an assessment of what neighborhoods are being undertaxed versus overtaxed.

00:40:35.940 And I understand you're saying we're simply describing the types of neighborhoods that would see these increase in taxes.

00:40:42.160 And yet by invoking race, do you run the risk of potentially alienating key constituents?

00:40:47.320 I think I'm just naming things as they are.

00:40:50.020 And ultimately, my the thing that motivates me in this is to create a system of fairness.

00:40:55.260 So no plans to change that language.

00:40:57.380 On your website.

00:40:58.820 The focus here is to actually ensure a fair property tax system.

00:41:02.880 And that the use of that language is an assessment of the neighbor.

00:41:06.360 If I have to demonize whitey along the way, then so be it. 1.00

00:41:10.540 That's just basically where he stands.

00:41:13.280 It's a it's a it's a bonus.

00:41:14.900 It's a fringe benefit.

00:41:16.040 You know, if whiteness itself conferred into wealth, albinos would be the richest among us. 1.00

00:41:24.020 But they aren't.

00:41:25.220 And the truth is that if you look at statistics across the board in America, per person, white people are not the richest demographic.

00:41:37.120 They really aren't.

00:41:38.300 And I challenge your listeners to do some research on that.

00:41:41.880 But he's he's he's trying in all kinds of ways to be a mischievous revolutionary who we can love and hug and relate to.

00:41:55.940 But he wants to signal at all times his absolute most venomous and aggressive radical base.

00:42:05.720 The other thing that he's been doing is allowing leaks or I don't know if he's allowing them or if they're happening by themselves of past positions, which are even more horrifying than the ones he's holding presently.

00:42:21.380 And I think the strategy there is to make himself look like he's moderated somewhat.

00:42:25.980 You know, he's he's you know, you almost expect to hear that at one time he wanted the New York Stock Exchange to be turned into a, you know, a halal meat market for the homeless or something. 0.86

00:42:39.040 And now he just wants to close it down.

00:42:41.660 He's moderated.

00:42:43.300 Well, look at this one.

00:42:44.300 This I don't know whether he's moderated on this one or not.

00:42:46.680 But here is an explicitly communist principle that he embraced on this podcast in SOT 7.

00:42:55.980 What the purpose is about this entire project.

00:42:58.780 It's not simply to raise class consciousness, but to win socialism and obviously raising class consciousness is a critical part of that.

00:43:04.680 But making sure that we have candidates that both understand that and are willing to put that forward at every which moment that they have at every which opportunity that they are given.

00:43:14.440 We have to continue to elect more socialists and we have to ensure that we are unapologetic about our socialism.

00:43:23.380 There are also other issues that we firmly believe in.

00:43:25.980 Whether it's BDS, right, or whether it's the end goal of seizing the means of production.

00:43:32.620 That was posted on X in 2021.

00:43:36.600 It wasn't that long ago, but seizing the means of production.

00:43:40.940 Whoa.

00:43:42.500 Well, first of all, why did he dress in a green Star Trek pajama?

00:43:48.520 Very good question.

00:43:49.240 In front of a portrayal of the planet Jupiter.

00:43:54.060 I think he's trying to make us think he's the future and that he represents something that we can't stop, something that's coming for us.

00:44:03.520 But he might be posing as as Ketanji Brown Jackson put it in the Supreme Court case that dropped on Friday.

00:44:09.660 Martians, quote, from another planet, as though she's not aware that our native our native Martian population is one thing.

00:44:21.140 The ones that come from another planet. 0.98

00:44:23.040 But he's a he's a bizarre character.

00:44:27.720 He's an actor.

00:44:28.780 He's been cast.

00:44:30.080 He's a salesman.

00:44:31.240 If he came to my door, you know, I would slam it because I would be sure that he wanted my credit card.

00:44:38.720 If he wanted to marry a relative of mine, I would sit him down and, you know, question him on his prospects because he's a little bit like the music man.

00:44:48.700 He suddenly showed up in town with the answers to everything.

00:44:52.600 And the simplest answer is that things should be free and that our big problem is that they aren't.

00:44:58.080 But when he seizes the means of production, I wonder which institutional military force he's going to use since he wants to lay off the cops.

00:45:08.960 Is he going to seize it with, you know, Antifa or is he going to seize it with, you know, these social workers with which he wants to replace cops?

00:45:21.220 This is a disaster for New York because New York is actually a very hardworking town.

00:45:27.360 It's an entrepreneurial town.

00:45:29.460 Every time I go there, Megan, to stay in Midtown, I go on the Greg Gutfeld show.

00:45:35.640 People are up at four in the morning putting out their food carts, cleaning up the streets, delivering furniture to office buildings, taking old furniture out of office buildings.

00:45:45.320 And I wonder at how hardworking, how gritty, how commonsensical these New Yorkers are trying to put away a few bucks, driving their cabs, driving their Ubers, delivering furniture, you know, cleaning hotel rooms.

00:46:00.420 Also, they can get a step ahead.

00:46:02.160 But I don't think that those people, frankly, are his real constituency.

00:46:07.420 He might talk about him.

00:46:09.480 No, he might talk about him.

00:46:11.560 Blacks and Hispanics didn't vote for him.

00:46:13.660 It was white people who were rich, but not uber rich. 0.71

00:46:16.840 It was like the top four neighborhoods that voted for him were included Park Slope, Bed-Stuy.

00:46:22.560 I can't remember the third.

00:46:23.980 And then the other most rich community in New York is Upper East.

00:46:28.020 And that's the only one that went for Chromo because that's where you've got the true millionaires.

00:46:33.280 It was white people because white, there is a product now that white people want more than anything else. 0.76

00:46:40.040 They've got everything else.

00:46:41.620 They've got the nice cars, a lot of them, you know, the affluent white people, at least.

00:46:47.400 But there's something that he can give them that they really want, and that's to feel good about themselves.

00:46:53.680 And he makes them feel.

00:46:55.820 Yes, he makes them feel good about themselves.

00:46:58.140 See, the star on their Christmas tree, the thing they want after they get everything else, is to feel that they are good human beings.

00:47:07.880 And he knows that.

00:47:09.520 And just like a candy salesman, he's giving it to them.

00:47:13.620 Yeah, if they can sit in those fancy apartments and get to judge you for not being more like them, that's the win.

00:47:22.080 That's the heroin in the vein.

00:47:23.440 He also happens to seem extremely anti-Semitic.

00:47:29.220 You heard him in that video there touting the BDS, the divest, you know, from Israel movement.

00:47:35.660 And he once again got asked by Kristen Welker about his refusal to condemn the term globalize the Intifada.

00:47:44.960 Not going to do it.

00:47:46.620 Wasn't interested in standing down from that at all.

00:47:49.440 Here's that soundbite.

00:47:50.180 You were recently asked about the term globalize the Intifada, if it makes you uncomfortable.

00:47:58.180 In that moment, you did not condemn the phrase.

00:48:01.240 Do you condemn that phrase, globalize the Intifada?

00:48:05.180 That's not language that I use.

00:48:06.960 The language that I use and the language that I will continue to use to lead the city is that which speaks clearly to my intent,

00:48:13.100 which is an intent grounded in a belief in universal human rights.

00:48:16.680 Do you condemn that phrase, globalize the Intifada, which a lot of people hear is a call to violence against Jews?

00:48:22.140 I've heard from many Jewish New Yorkers who have shared their concerns with me.

00:48:25.940 And I've heard those fears and I've had those conversations.

00:48:28.980 And ultimately, what I think I need to show is the ability to not only talk about something,

00:48:34.200 but to tackle it and to make clear that there's no room for anti-Semitism in this city.

00:48:37.620 Why not just condemn it?

00:48:39.960 My concern is to start to walk down the line of language and making clear what language I believe is permissible or impermissible

00:48:50.480 takes me into a place similar to that of the president who is looking to do those very kinds of things,

00:48:56.480 putting people in jail for writing an op-ed, putting them in jail for protesting.

00:49:00.240 Ultimately, it's not language that I use.

00:49:01.980 It's language I understand there are concerns about.

00:49:03.700 Okay, let me say something, Walter.

00:49:06.380 I'm not into making people say X, Y, or Z at all.

00:49:09.740 But the reason this guy won't say that is because he's in favor of it.

00:49:14.120 100%.

00:49:14.560 I have zero doubt in my mind.

00:49:16.520 The real reason he won't condemn that phrase is because he agrees with it.

00:49:22.660 Well, you know, he said to be a very eloquent and well-spoken guy, but that was word salad.

00:49:28.740 You know, that was a word Waldorf salad.

00:49:31.960 It had everything chopped up in it, and it meant nothing.

00:49:35.440 And frankly, when you go to those lengths not to say something, it's because you want to say it.

00:49:42.500 And he, not to mention his father, his Columbia professor father, have made so many statements

00:49:49.080 that should alarm your average Jewish American. 0.55

00:49:52.800 We don't have enough time to do it here, but it tracks.

00:49:55.820 It tracks perfectly.

00:49:56.680 I don't know how the city that has the second most Jews in the world, second only to Israel,

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00:50:07.840 How are they not going to organize in massive numbers behind anyone other than him?

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00:50:19.360 They are organizing en masse against him to try to stop his ascent for all the reasons

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00:50:25.820 It's not a lock.

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00:53:59.540 Welcome back to The Megan Kelly Show.

00:54:01.060 Back with me now is Walter Kern.

00:54:02.960 So just before we leave the topic of the Zoran Mandami, who is apparently the future of the

00:54:07.340 Democratic Party, David Friedberg of the All In Podcast, very smart guy, had a different take

00:54:14.740 on why he's become so popular within New York, and in particular, young people.

00:54:21.300 It was young people who really helped drive him to the win and who seemed to be his most

00:54:26.700 ardent fans.

00:54:28.560 And I think this bears listening to.

00:54:31.080 Here he is.

00:54:32.680 Kamala Harris is going to look like a conservative candidate pretty soon. 1.00

00:54:35.640 It's really a revolution against the system that brought them to this moment.

00:54:39.100 Because the promise that we gave in America, the American dream was if you will go to college,

00:54:43.240 you will graduate, you will have income, you will have stability, you will be able to buy

00:54:46.900 a home.

00:54:47.440 And what we did is we increased the government's role in making that dream possible.

00:54:52.440 And in doing so, we created effectively a system where we gave unrestricted access to

00:54:57.840 capital, which inflated the cost of education.

00:55:01.000 People could go to school like Zoran and major in African studies and graduate with $250

00:55:05.640 $300,000 of debt, and then never get a job.

00:55:08.480 The guy has not had a real job.

00:55:09.800 And this is the truth for 32 million young Americans.

00:55:13.360 They all have what is called negative capital.

00:55:16.500 They have debt, and they will never be able to get out of that cycle.

00:55:19.100 So where do you turn in that moment?

00:55:20.640 You don't go turn to corporations to solve your problems.

00:55:23.100 You turn to the voting booth.

00:55:25.300 And you hear a guy like Zoran show up and say there can be a better path forward.

00:55:29.620 The better path forward is the government can and should do more to help.

00:55:33.180 And this becomes a tipping point when the majority of the voter base ends up in that

00:55:38.080 situation where they're that deeply in need, where they have negative capital.

00:55:41.340 And that is the situation America finds itself in today.

00:55:44.140 There is no easy answer, and there is no easy solution out of this.

00:55:47.140 O'Ran won 61 to 39 with college educated.

00:55:51.200 At the end of the day, young, college educated white people elected this guy.

00:55:55.700 And that is the beginning of a wave that will sweep over America.

00:55:58.600 And I really do worry about where this takes us.

00:56:02.560 I think that is so smart.

00:56:04.840 And it really does.

00:56:06.680 The way we just keep upping the amount of loans you can get from the government to go to college,

00:56:12.300 and then the colleges keep upping their tuition so that they're the only beneficiaries of all that,

00:56:19.040 and then giving these useless degrees that people like Mamdami get, like majoring in African studies or women's studies, 0.98

00:56:26.060 that will not lead to gainful employment, but will lead to a bunch of navel gazing and growing hatred for oneself

00:56:33.700 and possibly one's government and country that then leads you to emerge by saying,

00:56:39.080 actually, government is the answer, but as long as I'm at the top of it,

00:56:43.480 private industry is the problem, or Republicans are the problem,

00:56:47.060 and what really needs to happen is seizure of industries and me in charge

00:56:53.040 so that people like me can finally make a living and have the American dream available to them as it isn't right now,

00:57:01.020 because they were sold a bill of goods by these colleges, by the federal government that funds them to the nth degree,

00:57:07.060 and by everybody who pretends that these useless degrees these people get are actually going to take them someplace or open certain doors.

00:57:14.960 Your thoughts?

00:57:15.420 I have two recent college graduate children who live in two of the most expensive cities in the U.S.,

00:57:24.780 New York City and Los Angeles.

00:57:28.000 They are wonderful kids who studied hard and are working hard in good jobs.

00:57:36.260 Those jobs are barely capable of supporting them in these cities.

00:57:42.740 They live with roommates.

00:57:44.400 Their expenditures and their incomes pretty much match because they've got a dad who told them not to spend more than they make.

00:57:55.780 They don't.

00:57:56.560 But if they even skimp and save, it really doesn't go very far.

00:58:04.220 These are real problems.

00:58:06.360 They definitely are.

00:58:08.340 Rents, underemployment, I suppose.

00:58:12.200 But most of them can be traced to government policies and programs in the first place.

00:58:20.800 See, the wonderful perpetual motion machine of certain kinds of democratic politics are that the government creates the problem,

00:58:28.160 and then it sells you the solution.

00:58:30.780 And the same people make money on both ends of the proposition.

00:58:35.320 Yeah, yeah, it's this is very connected to the woke DEI problem that we're dealing with in schools and colleges across the country where Heather McDonald's has documented this brilliantly.

00:58:46.440 If you take a lot of these young men and women who get into these elite universities, so-called elite, you know, the Ivy League, who get in thanks to skin color or DEI related things.

00:59:00.340 And you removed those preferences and just let them go to the colleges that their SAT scores and their non-inflated grades because now they're coming out of high schools that also inflate their grades based on skin color.

00:59:12.580 But let's go back to the day where they were graded on what they actually did on the test and the SAT was whatever it was.

00:59:18.920 And then they either got into a school or didn't, irrespective of skin color.

00:59:22.980 They would go to those schools, those so-called lesser schools, and they would become engineers and mathematicians and maybe be on their way to doing like quant work that actually pays a lot.

00:59:36.520 But what's happening instead is they're going to Harvard, they're going to Yale, where their test scores are two standard deviations, at least below the average student there who is Indian, Asian or white. 0.65

00:59:52.060 And they're winding up in the African Studies Department or the Women's Studies Department because those are the only places where they can get an easy grade and still graduate and a totally useless degree that will not pay any of their bills.

01:00:06.100 Go ahead.

01:00:07.440 I beg to differ slightly.

01:00:10.160 A lot of the people who are coming into those schools now, and I went to one myself, Princeton University, who are coming from new to college backgrounds, are studying things like engineering.

01:00:24.520 They're filling the computer science programs at places like Harvard.

01:00:28.700 In some ways, the liberal arts at those colleges, the English departments and so on, are starving for applicants.

01:00:40.920 These colleges are filled with people who are attempting to join major corporations and so on.

01:00:46.200 The problem is two things.

01:00:49.060 One, that we live in an incredibly competitive industrial world in which even these good jobs, though they are high paying by some, you know, absolute standard.

01:01:04.480 Oh, $150,000.

01:01:05.780 Well, that won't get you much in New York City, given the taxes, given the, you know, cost of living and so on.

01:01:15.380 But a lot of those problems have to do with how expensive New York is to do business in, and those are government programs.

01:01:26.980 A lot of the high prices of New York and the high cost of New York are the result of programs like Zoron's, which aren't even as aggressive as the ones he's proposing.

01:01:38.760 No, you're right.

01:01:39.760 Look at Boston and San Francisco, same problem.

01:01:43.280 Yeah, being a young person in America is a really tough proposition these days, because even when you do do the practical thing, even when you seek the professions that supposedly pay, you're in competition for housing and other things in a way that just doesn't allow you to get a leg up.

01:02:04.200 And the solution to this that he proposes, which is a socialistic solution, higher taxes on those who have and so on.

01:02:13.180 The problem with higher taxes is that you end up with less to tax because the people move away.

01:02:20.040 The things you're taxing become less valuable.

01:02:23.320 And it's kind of a vicious cycle.

01:02:25.880 It's like burning the furniture to stay warm after a while.

01:02:28.600 Eventually you run out of other people's money.

01:02:30.980 You run out of other people's money.

01:02:32.540 You run out of furniture.

01:02:33.400 And I have a lot of empathy for the sensible young people of America, also those who have put themselves into huge debt.

01:02:44.260 And one of the problems with student loans has always has been that you all that money goes to the university.

01:02:51.360 They're able to charge higher and higher prices.

01:02:53.680 Megan, I had I had I had a student at, you know, an Ivy League college during covid who we were paying, you know, eighty thousand dollars a year for.

01:03:04.760 And he was getting he was getting he was getting he was getting Zoom classes that were recorded because, you know, the college was closed for a year.

01:03:14.100 These these places are raking it in and their students are given these high expectations.

01:03:22.140 And that's the other problem.

01:03:23.140 And that's the other problem.

01:03:23.700 They come out with incredibly high expectations.

01:03:27.200 They think that somehow having graduated from these places and having good initial salaries and so on, they're going to be able to save.

01:03:35.160 But their inability to save has something to do with factors that aren't aren't adjustable by taxation.

01:03:45.860 And the problem he's addressing is a real one in the sense that there are people struggling, even those who shouldn't be struggling, given, you know, their aptitude and their accomplishment.

01:04:00.020 But he is going to make it worse.

01:04:04.000 That's what I see.

01:04:05.100 And he's and he's what Friedberg says, Friedberg thinks that the solution in part should be the government should get out of the business of providing loans for college.

01:04:16.000 The free market would take over.

01:04:18.380 Now you've got Wall Street evaluating whether you are a good risk or a bad risk.

01:04:22.880 And they will necessarily start defunding schools that don't take anybody anywhere and degrees that don't take anybody anywhere.

01:04:32.200 And there'll be a lot more discriminating in figuring out who is a good bet and which program and which major is a good bet.

01:04:39.900 I mean, that'll raise a whole host of other problems.

01:04:42.020 But I see his point.

01:04:42.700 What happens every time is the government just keeps increasing the number of loans you can get.

01:04:46.500 Then the colleges increase the tuition that they're going to charge you.

01:04:50.800 You get absolutely no additional benefit, but you have to pay back all those loans.

01:04:55.980 Eventually, the university gets richer and richer.

01:04:58.080 And then the university feels good about itself in some of these cases because they let in a DEI candidate who otherwise couldn't have gotten in. 0.98

01:05:05.300 And they don't really give a shit whether you wind up with a job or not. 0.98

01:05:08.480 They get paid either way. 0.99

01:05:10.840 Right, right.

01:05:11.860 And so many jobs in America are basically make work these days.

01:05:17.100 You know, at a lot of these universities, they have more administrators than they do students.

01:05:21.760 And then at a lot of corporations, the human resources department and the other sort of bureaucracies within the company that don't actually add to the bottom line are sucking up vast amounts of money.

01:05:37.680 And those expenses are distributed throughout society.

01:05:44.980 And we live in a world which is expensive in a lot of ways because it's not productive.

01:05:52.740 It appears to be productive, but a lot of it's being sucked into a black hole of rulemaking and rule administering.

01:06:01.260 And then, as I say, at these big cities, rents are incredibly high from millions of regulatory and other reasons.

01:06:14.840 Mostly government handout programs.

01:06:17.280 Yeah, and also because they're consolidating, you know, outside of the very big cities, a lot of the housing in America under giant corporate.

01:06:27.240 You know, not to be a revolutionary myself here, but, you know, when BlackRock is able to buy up 60 percent of the housing in a certain area, it makes it very hard to compete.

01:06:39.020 When when half of the apartments are being rented as short term housing or Airbnb, it makes it hard to get a start.

01:06:47.520 What America needs and Trump is a populist, too, is a populism that has some common sense to it and looks at all the causes and includes the government among those causes and includes the regulation of the financial industry, which has run a bit of muck in a market where it probably shouldn't be.

01:07:09.380 It probably shouldn't be that international capital is governing the ability of Americans to get a first home.

01:07:17.240 And we haven't even touched on the illegal problem, too, which is all these big blue cities that we're mentioning are also funneling millions upon millions toward illegals when it comes to housing, health care and other public benefits that just that who pays for that?

01:07:33.460 It's not free, as Zoran Mandami would have you believe. It comes from the workers, the actual citizens, the people who do get up and drag themselves out of bed every day, sometimes go to jobs that they can't stand because they're responsible and they wouldn't dream of letting somebody else, much less the government, cover for their bills.

01:07:51.620 But they get stuck paying the bills of these other freeloaders who aren't even supposed to be here.

01:07:56.580 Well, I mean, I made a joke to a young New Yorker the other day was complaining about, you know, whether he would be able to afford to live there under mom.

01:08:05.260 Donnie, I said, you might not be poor enough to live in New York City.

01:08:08.700 In other words, at some point, at some point, it will be the poor who have the advantage of all sorts of payments, discounts, programs and so on.

01:08:19.820 And that'll be a wonderful two days.

01:08:23.540 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:24.860 You know, and then we know exactly what will happen. It will implode just like everybody else who's tried communism.

01:08:30.360 Yeah, but but but but chasing employers out of the city is really it may cause rents to go down, but it will cause a lot of other things to go down with them.

01:08:41.500 Yeah, because he's like, not only am I going to tax the businesses, he wants to raise the corporate income tax.

01:08:46.480 But even if if a company moves out of New York and moves to Texas or Florida, I'm going to hike their taxes for doing business in New York.

01:08:55.820 So I will get them one way or another. Great way to chase them out of doing business in New York altogether.

01:09:00.200 Like the ones who can not everybody will be forced to do that. Some some will say, F you, New York.

01:09:05.080 You ever get try to order something through the mail and they say does not ship to whatever state.

01:09:09.660 It's because there's some policy in that state that makes it difficult or unpleasant or impossible for them to do business there.

01:09:15.500 New York state just thinks it's above that. I would beg to differ.

01:09:18.240 You know, and there's a tax that isn't financial. Let's call it the stress tax or the quality of life tax.

01:09:25.080 I visit New York every few weeks as I have for years for business.

01:09:28.840 So I get to see it, you know, in a staggered way.

01:09:32.600 And the quality of life has deteriorated there.

01:09:36.840 The street scenes are rougher, are rougher and more volatile.

01:09:40.860 The expectations about crime and so on have have have have fallen.

01:09:48.260 You know, you just don't expect the safe, civilized city that you did in the past.

01:09:54.200 And if you're willing to go through all the struggles, financial and and career wise to stay and make it in New York.

01:10:01.760 But you add this extra layer of just hassles and dirt and pot smelling on every corner and rats, more rats than you've ever seen in a city.

01:10:14.280 And after a while you go, the mental tax is too much.

01:10:20.400 And under Mom Donnie, I have a feeling it's going to be a more chaotic, a dirtier, a less pleasing and less peaceful city.

01:10:30.260 And that could be the difference.

01:10:33.660 Yeah, the just to zoom out for a second, New York, which we're talking about, has five boroughs.

01:10:40.220 I'm trying to remember the song that they taught my kids in preschool when they were little New York children.

01:10:45.300 It was like the Bronx, Brooklyn, the Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan.

01:10:52.580 Don't forget Staten Island.

01:10:54.320 Anyway, whatever.

01:10:54.940 There's five boroughs of New York City, the five boroughs of New York City.

01:10:57.520 OK, the Bronx is part of New York.

01:11:03.280 No question.

01:11:03.960 It is one of the five boroughs.

01:11:06.160 Westchester is a tony community just north of New York City in between New York City and Connecticut.

01:11:15.920 Westchester has got a lot of very well-heeled communities like Bronxville.

01:11:21.980 That's where, well, I guess I shouldn't say, but somebody very famous who runs a very big sports organization lives and has raised his children.

01:11:29.560 All sorts of lovely little pockets there.

01:11:31.760 One half of it is on the water, the Hudson River, and overlooks that.

01:11:36.740 And then on the other side, you kind of walk up and there's more water.

01:11:40.360 Anyway, there's a beautiful little town called Yorktown Heights in Westchester.

01:11:45.740 It's not the fanciest of Westchester towns, but it ain't the Bronx by any measure.

01:11:52.180 And the reason this is relevant is because a congresswoman who you may know as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been telling us for years that she is from the Bronx.

01:12:03.560 And recently she had a fight with President Trump over tweet, text, truth, whatever, and she played tough and said, oh, don't you mess with me.

01:12:13.660 I'm a Bronx girl and we eat Queens boys for breakfast because that's where Trump was raised in the Queens and respectfully AOC.

01:12:22.260 Well, that's real cute, except she only lived in the Bronx until she was age five, when at best you're in usually kindergarten, maybe first grade.

01:12:33.400 And she spent the rest of her childhood, one through 12th grade in Yorktown Heights, which is Westchester.

01:12:42.080 And by any measure, it is richer, nicer, and more white collar than the Bronx, with all due respect to my friends in the Bronx.

01:12:53.740 She's pretending to be a Bronx girl because she wants this to be part of her origin story the same way as she wants now to be called Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. 0.95

01:13:04.660 Meanwhile, everyone knew her as Sandy Cortez when she was growing up and her lies are coming to the fore.

01:13:12.760 So among other things, Benny Johnson, who's hilarious and he's a great Twitter follow and has a great show, went to Yorktown Heights just to take a look and to talk to some folks there about AOC and what Yorktown is like and so on.

01:13:28.440 And now some of her schoolmates, separate and apart from Benny, are weighing in on her claims.

01:13:34.520 I'll get to the Benny thing in one second.

01:13:36.120 But there was a piece in the New York Post talking about how she's embarrassing herself. 0.98

01:13:44.760 She's embarrassing herself now with this Bronx girl claim.

01:13:48.900 They went and tracked down Assemblyman Matt Slater, who's a Republican from Yorktown, New York State Assembly,

01:13:55.560 and said he said, quote, she's embarrassing herself for doing everything possible to avoid saying she grew up in the suburbs instead of the Bronx.

01:14:04.840 What she said now that people are starting to look at whether she's a Bronx girl, which she's not, is, quote,

01:14:10.560 I'm proud of how I grew up and I talk about it all the time.

01:14:14.260 My mom cleaned houses and I helped.

01:14:15.960 We cleaned Tudor's homes in exchange for SAT prep. 0.54

01:14:20.240 She went to Boston University again.

01:14:21.920 She's like Mom Domi.

01:14:22.840 She wants to like he's picturing himself eating with his hands like he's fresh off the boat from someplace.

01:14:28.380 And she's talking about how she's been cleaning houses her whole life.

01:14:31.660 Meanwhile, she grew up in Yorktown.

01:14:33.000 Then she writes, she says, growing up between the Bronx and Yorktown deeply shaped my views of inequality.

01:14:41.420 And it's a big reason I believe the things I do today.

01:14:44.020 Now, back to Matt Slater, who says, first, she said she has visited extended family.

01:14:52.740 Then she said she had commuted between the Bronx and Yorktown.

01:14:57.340 I was just visiting Yorktown Heights.

01:15:00.140 Oh, I was just commuting.

01:15:01.200 And now she's said she grew up in between the two, like back and forth, back and forth.

01:15:05.940 No, she lived in the Bronx when she was five.

01:15:08.020 Then they moved to Yorktown Heights.

01:15:09.420 He says it's clearly desperate attempts to protect the lie that she is from the Bronx.

01:15:15.900 And here is a bit from what Benny Johnson found.

01:15:19.420 We finally got to Yorktown Heights.

01:15:23.780 Check out this beautiful entry to the city.

01:15:26.740 Trees lining the road.

01:15:28.600 The violins.

01:15:29.340 Some mansions.

01:15:30.360 Beautifully manicured lawns.

01:15:31.980 American flags.

01:15:33.240 This looks like an awesome place to be from.

01:15:35.180 Get out of the car and you find something like this.

01:15:38.740 Welcome to the capitalist horrors of AOC's Yorktown Heights Patriot State Park.

01:15:46.020 You can see here a Veterans Memorial Circle that's been beautifully tended and groomed with a lot of American flags and a lot of honor for our great nation.

01:15:56.060 Really, just a terrifying place to grow up here.

01:15:59.800 Capitalist swine trying to sell me rhubarb at this beautiful Meadows Farm Farmers Market. 0.81

01:16:08.340 That, like, you can just smell it. 0.97

01:16:11.360 They just want my money, my capitalist dollars.

01:16:13.920 I'm not going to let them do it because I'm an angry Marxist. 0.98

01:16:16.580 No trash. 0.76

01:16:17.680 No graffiti.

01:16:19.440 Yellow school buses. 0.98

01:16:21.460 Disgusting. 0.83

01:16:22.280 Okay? 0.98

01:16:22.660 So safe.

01:16:23.420 So clean.

01:16:25.500 AOC grew up here.

01:16:27.060 Now you can understand.

01:16:28.300 Okay?

01:16:28.760 You can understand where the radicalization comes from.

01:16:31.340 It's too nice.

01:16:32.600 This is hell. 0.98

01:16:33.540 We must destroy America and capitalism.

01:16:36.500 We've been here for two hours.

01:16:37.800 We've been walking around.

01:16:38.840 It's beautiful.

01:16:39.680 It's patriotic.

01:16:40.520 There's, like, flag, American flags on every street. 0.99

01:16:42.580 How could you become such a dirty communist growing up here? 0.99

01:16:46.480 If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck, maybe it's a duck. 0.99

01:16:52.420 How's it possible?

01:16:53.960 I don't know.

01:16:55.100 I don't think it is.

01:16:56.100 I think it's fake.

01:16:58.580 So do we all.

01:17:00.480 I've spent a lot of time in Yorktown Heights, actually.

01:17:03.440 My college boyfriend was from there.

01:17:05.540 There are lower end parts of it.

01:17:07.820 But the town, Net Net, is absolutely beautiful and a lovely place to grow up. 0.99

01:17:11.860 She's a liar. 0.98

01:17:13.320 She's another cosplayer. 1.00

01:17:15.580 Well, they're all cosplayers, Megan.

01:17:18.260 I hate to tell you, when I was in Washington for the inauguration, I attended the hearing of RFK's confirmation hearing.

01:17:28.480 And looking out at the horseshoe of senators, the side that was dominated by the Democrats, looked like a band that had been assembled for ethnic purposes. 0.74

01:17:40.980 You know, we need the socialist Bernie.

01:17:44.140 We need the finger-wagging socialist.

01:17:45.960 We need this guy who looks like this and that person.

01:17:49.520 They're all playing parts.

01:17:51.700 And so she's playing the Bronx girl.

01:17:53.620 But here's what I hear from her story.

01:17:56.620 Her parents took her from the Bronx, maybe a less nice, a rougher neighborhood.

01:18:03.080 And probably through saving money and working hard and following what we used to call the American dream, were able to move to a nicer place.

01:18:11.880 And should she not want that for all of us?

01:18:15.900 In other words, should she not want that social mobility for all of us?

01:18:21.940 My team's got the helpful map for everybody to see how far away Yorktownites is from Bronx.

01:18:27.080 Why identify with the place that her parents worked hard to get her out of rather than the place that the parents worked hard to get her to?

01:18:37.260 It's cosplay and it's fake.

01:18:40.500 But what it really does is it obscures the fact that she's the product of people who are able to work, save, buy a home, and give their child an education.

01:18:51.480 And it's that process that she should be protecting, not some fake revolution down on the street that her very mom and dad wanted her out of.

01:19:03.680 Anyone can do this, what she's doing.

01:19:07.640 You look at your circumstances and talk about them in the most dire terms possible to make yourself sound tougher than you are, to make it sound like you overcame more than you did.

01:19:19.100 And in her case, to make it sound like you have street cred when you try to fight the oligarchy. 1.00

01:19:24.780 I mean, honestly, I could I could sit here and say I was raised by a single mom who was a nurse who put me through college with their own blood, sweat and tears.

01:19:33.960 It's true.

01:19:35.320 It's all of that is true, except there's some context.

01:19:38.780 For the first 15 years of my life, I had an intact family.

01:19:42.320 My dad was alive and well and was a college professor, first at Syracuse and then at the State University of New York at Albany.

01:19:49.440 And we were a double income family.

01:19:51.500 And my mom was within nine credits of getting her Ph.D. and was eventually a nursing manager.

01:19:58.140 And then my dad died suddenly.

01:20:00.260 And my mom did have to put me through college with my dad's insurance money.

01:20:04.160 So, yeah, we had some knocks.

01:20:05.700 But you see what I'm saying?

01:20:06.660 Like leaving out the other part would lead you to think I had a much tougher childhood than I really did.

01:20:13.620 And what she wants to do is she wants to inflate the Bronx, the five years of Bronx living when she was a toddler into her actual origin story.

01:20:23.920 Here's another example.

01:20:24.760 I could tell you, Walter, I had to wait tables to put myself through school.

01:20:29.180 I worked day and night, which is true, to make sure I could pay the bills so that I could go to law school and make something of myself.

01:20:36.600 There'd never been a doctor or a lawyer in any of my family.

01:20:41.020 My Nana answered phones for the phone company.

01:20:43.940 My pop-up worked at a paper mill.

01:20:46.360 These were not rich people.

01:20:48.000 OK, all of that would be true.

01:20:49.120 But the truth is, I was waiting tables in between my summers at Syracuse University, which cost $15,000 a year back then.

01:20:58.680 It's probably a lot more now.

01:21:00.160 I know it's a lot more now.

01:21:01.500 Here's how AOC, who went to Boston University, which I think is more expensive than Syracuse, talks about her stint. 0.90

01:21:07.760 Oh, very much more.

01:21:08.860 Yes, talks about her stint during that same period of her life.

01:21:12.800 Listen to this.

01:21:13.920 It's SOT 10.

01:21:14.660 Because when the system is stacked against you, it's hard to feel like anything you do matters.

01:21:23.420 It's hard to feel like we matter in this democracy.

01:21:27.860 And it is easy to give in to the despair.

01:21:30.840 And I can tell you, I know that when I was waitressing and struggling to put food on the table, for a while there, I did.

01:21:39.860 I tried to stop caring.

01:21:42.340 I tried to just keep my head down, work my shifts, and accept that this is just how things are.

01:21:50.420 But that is no way to live, Arizona.

01:21:54.700 It's no way to live.

01:21:58.280 What I do know is that we don't have to live like this.

01:22:03.680 And in fact, we cannot live like this anymore. 0.98

01:22:07.880 This is ridiculous, Walter. 0.99

01:22:12.200 What in God's name is she talking about? 0.99

01:22:14.420 Did she want to outlaw waitressing? 1.00

01:22:17.700 This is the party also at the same time that's saying, who's going to pick the crops if we don't have migrants?

01:22:24.180 Who's going to do this? 1.00

01:22:24.740 Who's going to wipe your ass? 1.00

01:22:26.340 That's what they literally said. 0.99

01:22:27.480 Is this the party of the dignity of labor or the party that's trying to, you know, get us all into office jobs?

01:22:36.280 I can't tell who they're speaking to or what they're talking about anymore.

01:22:40.580 If I wanted to list some of the worst jobs I've done and act as though, you know, I was trapped in them, I could tell a story of even harder knocks than she.

01:22:51.940 Right.

01:22:52.360 But it's called being a young person.

01:22:55.140 Yes.

01:22:55.660 The fact is she's a U.S. congressman now who apparently spent the first few years in the Bronx.

01:23:02.620 It wasn't her money that got them out of the Bronx.

01:23:05.020 I don't think it was her lemonade stand that did it. 0.52

01:23:07.420 It was her parents working hard.

01:23:08.900 They left New York City because when you go over into Westchester, the most important thing that happens is you leave the tax district of New York City.

01:23:18.520 And so they went to a nicer neighborhood.

01:23:22.120 Their child went to a private school in the capital of American East Coast Academe, Boston.

01:23:28.620 And she's now a congressman. 0.95

01:23:30.500 Can't she be honest about her arc and her narrative, which is that of being lifted on the backs of hardworking parents who obviously saved, obviously wanted the best for their child.

01:23:45.400 And then using education and other things, her maybe her natural talents, let's say, and even doing a little waitressing. 0.89

01:23:54.000 She ended up a U.S. congressperson.

01:23:56.220 That is not an indictment of the American system.

01:24:02.500 That should lead to a celebration of it.

01:24:05.140 And we should be looking to make sure that the system that allowed that for her will allow that for others.

01:24:10.800 Meanwhile, it's like who picks their their lowest time economically and tries to blow that up into the story of their existence?

01:24:21.380 Like I and I I was struggling to put food on the table.

01:24:24.780 You know, I joke with this with Adam Carolla at the time.

01:24:26.920 We were like, does she mean literally as a waitress or does she mean back at home in her in her house?

01:24:31.800 She couldn't afford food because waitresses in America can afford food. 1.00

01:24:36.220 They can afford food.

01:24:37.120 It's it's not that lowly a job, though, she wants to portray it that way.

01:24:40.720 She also wants to know what I was a cocktail waitress. 0.75

01:24:45.980 You know what?

01:24:46.380 AOC, the bartenders made a lot more money at that bar than the cocktail, which is she was above me. 0.99

01:24:51.240 So technically, I'm the one with despair in my in my past.

01:24:55.360 I'm the one people should feel sorry for.

01:24:56.920 I'm the one who got screwed by this. 0.79

01:24:58.060 This is this is an absurd way of looking at being a young person. 0.93

01:25:02.980 That's that's what she's calling back on.

01:25:04.980 Everyone's poor in their 20s unless they came from a family with privilege.

01:25:08.620 And that's a very, very small percentage of Americans.

01:25:12.840 I taught English as a second language to new migrants in a Times Square business school for ten dollars an hour out of Princeton University.

01:25:22.480 OK, a ten bucks an hour in the Globe School of Business teaching Central American migrants to speak English.

01:25:31.640 And I worked at a school that was supported by the government.

01:25:35.240 And one day I came in and said, you know, the kids aren't showing up for class and I don't have enough textbooks and so on.

01:25:41.840 And they said, all that matters is that you take attendance.

01:25:44.980 All that matters is that you mark them present.

01:25:47.160 I said, well, they're not present and I'm having a hard time teaching.

01:25:50.140 And they said, but if you mark them present, then we get the payment from the government for their participation in the school, because our real client is the government.

01:26:00.120 It was a real lesson in how you can be trying to do the right thing and you can be trying to help people and so on.

01:26:08.520 And a government program didn't even care if they had textbooks and the school didn't either.

01:26:14.220 It just mattered that I marked them present so that they could get that big whopping check in their name. 0.94

01:26:20.240 And no one got educated.

01:26:22.460 But but as I say, it was in my 20s and it was 10 bucks an hour.

01:26:27.060 And I had to wade through pre Giuliani Times Square to get there.

01:26:31.960 I mean, stepping over.

01:26:33.480 Yeah.

01:26:34.500 Those are some rough years.

01:26:36.580 She wasn't even born then.

01:26:38.660 OK, I think I've remembered this song from the kids preschool.

01:26:41.640 There are five boroughs of New York City, five boroughs of New York City, five boroughs of New York City.

01:26:47.860 And I can name them all the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan.

01:26:52.320 Don't forget Staten Island, Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan.

01:26:56.640 Don't forget Staten Island, too.

01:26:58.680 OK, sorry, I had to get that out.

01:27:00.460 There are only five boroughs of New York City.

01:27:02.560 Yorktown Heights is in Westchester, which is not one of them.

01:27:05.800 AOC.

01:27:06.340 The last point on her.

01:27:07.920 You know, she's also got the code switching, which really just means fake accents. 1.00

01:27:13.800 Mondami, too.

01:27:14.920 Mondami, depending on what audiences he's in front of.

01:27:18.080 He does like his urban accent.

01:27:19.880 He does his Indian accent.

01:27:21.260 He does is more like white feet accent.

01:27:24.280 It depends on who he's in front of.

01:27:25.720 And so does AOC.

01:27:27.740 She dials up the Puerto Rican, the Latina when she's in front of the right group.

01:27:34.280 And she's really giving me with this like fake origin story.

01:27:38.680 Ilaria Baldwin vibes who pretended she's from Spain when she, too, is from Boston and a very Tony suburb there. 0.96

01:27:49.020 I had to resurrect this clip because she also does the fake accent thing. 1.00

01:27:54.840 Married life is really nice.

01:27:56.980 You know, it feels different.

01:27:58.680 You know that.

01:27:59.860 So please leave my family in peace and let she's whiter than I out. 1.00

01:28:05.380 We have a cucumber, cucumbers, olive oil, and we have some vinegar.

01:28:14.840 Some vinegar.

01:28:16.140 How you say?

01:28:17.880 Remember the Saturday Night Live bit where people would compete to have a Spanish accent?

01:28:23.500 Nicaragua.

01:28:25.160 You know, el salivador.

01:28:27.380 Not to make fun of that accent in itself, but, you know, I live in Montana.

01:28:34.040 I could pull off a, hey, buddy, what are you doing?

01:28:37.960 You know?

01:28:38.560 Yeah.

01:28:39.300 We can all pander to whatever group we want to.

01:28:43.800 But this is an era in America where it's not what you've done that you're proud of.

01:28:50.920 It's what was done to you.

01:28:53.120 And all these people want to pretend that something was done to them.

01:28:57.380 And they won't have it.

01:28:59.440 And they don't want it done to you.

01:29:01.360 And to wait tables.

01:29:03.400 Yeah.

01:29:03.680 And it is an upside down way to look at life in a democratic and economically mobile society.

01:29:15.400 We should be celebrating achievement.

01:29:17.340 We should be celebrating mobility.

01:29:19.080 We should be celebrating education and saving and all of these virtues and building families.

01:29:28.160 And yet we're stuck on this.

01:29:30.420 This is the worst day of my life.

01:29:32.720 And this was the worst year of my life. 1.00

01:29:35.140 And this country sucks. 0.99

01:29:36.420 And they were this was the time they were mean to me. 1.00

01:29:39.140 And this was this time I was unfairly discriminated against.

01:29:43.260 And this concentration on all the insults and difficulties and victimization experiences you've had will get us exactly nowhere.

01:29:55.060 I know it's amazing.

01:29:57.540 This mom, Dami, is a rich, spoiled kid. 1.00

01:30:01.080 And she is from Westchester.

01:30:03.520 Why can't people just be honest?

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01:30:47.720 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show.

01:30:51.520 Walter Kern is back with me.

01:30:52.700 Follow his work at his substack, Walter Kern, K-I-R-N dot substack dot com.

01:30:59.860 So, Walter, it's Pride Month. 0.78

01:31:01.060 Today's the last day, thank God.

01:31:03.060 And in New York City, which is always over the top, it's the 55th anniversary of the Pride Parade.

01:31:08.720 The theme of this year's parade, Rise Up, Pride in Protest.

01:31:14.060 I guess that's against Trump.

01:31:15.300 I don't know.

01:31:15.580 Whatever.

01:31:15.780 Um, there's been a noted drop in corporate sponsorship, uh, via NBC.

01:31:21.920 They've experienced a dip in about $750,000 in sponsorship.

01:31:27.580 So that's big.

01:31:28.860 Almost a million dollars got clipped because people are not into Pride anymore.

01:31:32.420 And corporations are having having to answer for it when they get behind a event like this in which, I mean, so many disgusting things happened.

01:31:41.680 Like the, a trans person wearing devil horns twerking on a police officer while holding a cross and a sign that reads Mary Magdalene. 0.99

01:31:52.140 Turning Point's got this on camera.

01:31:53.480 Let's show it.

01:31:54.480 Let's show it.

01:31:56.660 Listening audience, it's exactly what I just said. 0.86

01:31:59.700 It's disgusting. 0.86

01:32:00.740 The cop is maintaining his cool. 1.00

01:32:02.360 And this obvious man with fake boobs is twerking, shaking his butt in the face of NYPD's finest who somehow is maintaining his professionalism. 1.00

01:32:15.280 This is disgusting. 0.99

01:32:16.760 This is why, if I were a member of the LGBTQ community, I would say, please, for the love of God, cancel these proceedings. 1.00

01:32:25.180 I'll give you one more before I toss it to you.

01:32:27.420 This is a viewer warning.

01:32:28.520 It's actually really offensive stuff that we're about to play for you to hide the children. 0.63

01:32:32.820 It's church ladies for choice who are singing that God is a dyke. 1.00

01:32:40.180 And that's the least offensive part of what you're about to hear.

01:32:43.760 Stand by.

01:32:44.480 Here it is.

01:32:44.960 Oh, God is a dyke. 1.00

01:32:53.000 Send her Victoria, Mary and Gloria.

01:33:01.260 Chill and quit on the floor with you. 0.97

01:33:05.420 God is a dyke. 1.00

01:33:09.900 Okay. 1.00

01:33:10.380 You know, I don't even want to clarify for you what they were singing, but it's very graphic and it involves oral sex and God. 0.99

01:33:18.000 I'm not sure. 0.96

01:33:18.860 This doesn't really represent the LGB people I know, but they do it every year.

01:33:25.400 So I live in a little town, Livingston, Montana, that has a Fourth of July parade.

01:33:31.760 People come from all around for all over the state.

01:33:34.980 It's usually actually held on the 2nd of July to begin the rodeo.

01:33:38.740 And children are thrown candy from floats and so on.

01:33:45.400 And about three years ago, usually the floats are like Dodge trucks or, you know, representing the local bank or a charity.

01:33:54.780 But a pride float came along and it was decorated with a grizzly bear that was down on, no, no, a man who was down on four knees wearing, I guess what you would call a kind of dungeon outfit, you know, leather straps and so on. 0.99

01:34:13.560 And there was a grizzly bear standing behind him, a person in a grizzly bear costume, having anal sex with him, simulating anal sex with him for the kitties. 0.98

01:34:24.040 And outside of any other judgment, it was not something kids wanted to see or needed to see in a parade. 0.99

01:34:32.420 I don't know if they threw candy from that float.

01:34:34.400 If they had, I would have warned people maybe not to eat it.

01:34:38.300 But the whole thing got out of control.

01:34:42.020 It got to a point where it was about competitive shock, competitive offensiveness.

01:34:51.520 And now, for some reason, I don't know why, a little sanity has floated down from heaven and we are, you know, pulling back on it as a corporate, giant, funded affair.

01:35:07.940 It will go on, I'm sure, as an expression of self, you know, you know, self-realization on the people who have all kinds of ways of thinking about themselves and their sexuality.

01:35:20.080 But I think its demotion is welcome, frankly, because I can't think of any other month that is about this kind of thing and which is willing to shock children at this level.

01:35:37.560 I mean, if we're not going to.

01:35:38.980 I know a lot of lesbian and gay people, a lot.

01:35:42.620 I've spent my entire life in New York State and most of the adult life in either Chicago or New York City.

01:35:48.000 They don't behave like this.

01:35:50.360 They're as disgusted by this behavior as you and I are.

01:35:53.280 They're not like.

01:35:54.160 Then look at this one.

01:35:55.020 This is from.

01:35:56.380 Hold on a second.

01:35:57.220 I want to pull it up. 0.99

01:35:58.380 Lesbians in Washington Square Park in Manhattan, exposing their breasts with little girls right standing there. 0.99

01:36:04.260 They're there. 1.00

01:36:04.460 Like, show your tits off to the under five set. 1.00

01:36:07.440 That'll be super fun. 1.00

01:36:09.240 This is absurd. 0.97

01:36:10.880 Way to bring a bad reputation to lesbians everywhere. 1.00

01:36:14.460 Then you go up a little north of New York to Toronto.

01:36:19.000 You know, we've got Canadian Debbie here to bring to bring us what's happening in Canada.

01:36:22.900 It's not good there.

01:36:24.560 The activists are walking around completely naked at their pride parade.

01:36:28.600 We had to blur it.

01:36:29.540 Well, it came to us blurred, but totally naked male dudes walking down the street and people are clapping.

01:36:37.600 People have brought the family to stand and clap at the ding-dongs walking down the streets of Toronto. 1.00

01:36:44.100 And that is supposed to make us want to embrace, you see, the LGBT community, Walter.

01:36:52.100 First of all, I wouldn't want to see a straight pride parade, OK? 1.00

01:36:56.780 I don't know that the celebration of a bold sexuality in the streets is something that we need to do in general.

01:37:06.880 A straight pride parade in which guys with, you know, offensively exaggerated sex organs are taking on pneumatic Sanchez-like, you know, Bezos brides in their undies.

01:37:22.580 I wouldn't want to see that either, to be honest.

01:37:25.180 So I don't know what it really has to do with LGBTQ.

01:37:28.480 It's just the bedroom as a public spectacle, and especially the bedroom, which involves a lot of straps and harnesses and other things, isn't one thing that I want to walk out my door and see.

01:37:41.400 And I thought the whole idea of gay rights was to bring being, you know, having a different sexuality to parity, to equal in some ways, legally at least, and culturally even, the, you know, heterosexual so-called norm that preceded it.

01:38:02.420 But this isn't doing that because this isn't something that I ever saw heterosexuals doing.

01:38:08.220 So they didn't need to be equal. 0.97

01:38:11.520 What you're really saying is being gay or lesbian, we'll put trans to the side for now, means you're a deviant. 0.99

01:38:17.900 Like, you want, like, truly, like, deviant, gross behavior around you all the time. 1.00

01:38:24.680 You really want to show off your ass and your vag and your breasts to children. 1.00

01:38:28.500 That's a lie. 1.00

01:38:29.260 This is what kind of parade you'd put on if you were a bigot and you wanted to unfairly represent the LGB community, right?

01:38:39.040 This is what I would put on if I wanted to smear them, make everyone loathe them, and not want to support them.

01:38:44.460 But they put these on themselves.

01:38:47.600 Well, maybe the point has been proved.

01:38:50.300 Is there such a thing as having proved your point and moving on?

01:38:54.520 I mean, you know, and the circus element of it is one thing.

01:39:02.940 But the fact is that legally and in many other ways, these rights battles have been won.

01:39:10.460 And there is a new set of laws and set of sensibilities and sensitivities in society.

01:39:19.800 Can the point now be proved so that we can move on to something more, I don't know, aesthetically pleasing, less divisive, more peaceful, less confusing to children, and just generally, I don't know, more civilized?

01:39:39.340 Of course, there was a piece showing Zoram Mamdami jumping up and down while holding a trans flag at the New York City Pride Parade, hanging out with Tish James, just to put that cherry on top of the sundae.

01:39:54.300 I want to end with this.

01:39:55.620 There is a reporter who says he writes for the New York Times, NBC, The Washington Post, The Atlantic, The Guardian, among other places.

01:40:03.580 I guess he went to Columbia.

01:40:05.040 He mentions that here.

01:40:06.020 The Washington Post says he's a health and science reporter, and his name is Benjamin Ryan, who tweeted out this Pride Month,

01:40:12.860 misgendering is cruel and rude, no matter how many edge cases or straw man arguments people cannot come up with to try and assert otherwise,

01:40:21.440 in response to which I said the following, and I stand by it, and I want you guys to remember it.

01:40:25.560 It is not rude or cruel to say what's real and true, or to refuse to participate in another person's delusion.

01:40:33.460 Going along with preferred pronouns is dangerous.

01:40:36.060 It forces us to cede entire arguments about who can play in which sporting event, disrobe in which locker room, and enter into which prison before we've even made our case.

01:40:44.860 Preferred pronouns are meant to dull our senses, to get us accustomed to the gender-bending lies we're being told.

01:40:52.280 It's an effort to override instincts that are there for good reason, including for women, their own safety.

01:40:57.080 It can literally be a matter of life and death for a girl to learn to listen to her own instincts about when a man is present.

01:41:04.100 Teaching her to force herself to lie about that is teaching her to dull her gift of fear.

01:41:10.260 Don't let a man like Benjamin tell you that you're rude or cruel if you stand up for reality, as well as your, your daughter's, and all of our daughter's safety.

01:41:19.560 There's my Pride Month message.

01:41:21.760 Walter, a pleasure, sir.

01:41:23.400 As always, see you soon.

01:41:25.180 Thank you.

01:41:26.520 All right, we're back tomorrow with our friends from National Review and more on the Diddy Verdict Watch.

01:41:32.540 It's on.

01:41:33.180 See you then.

01:41:34.800 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 30, 2025

Tacky and Gross Celeb-Filled Bezos-Sanchez Wedding, and Zohran Mamdani's Fake Origin Story, with Walter Kirn ｜ Ep. 1098

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