The Megyn Kelly Show - Tara Reade Reveals What Led Her To Russia, and Biden Influence Peddling Revelations and More, with Gregg Jarrett

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we begin with an exclusive

00:00:16.500 interview with a guest you may be familiar with. In 2020, I first brought you the story of Tara

00:00:23.020 Reed. This is before I had even launched this show. I was sitting on my couch during the COVID

00:00:29.320 pandemic lockdowns and saw her story break in the press and reached out to her and she agreed to

00:00:35.880 sit with me for an interview. Tara is a former congressional aide that worked under President

00:00:40.980 Joe Biden when he was then just a senator. Tara alleges during her time working for then-Senator

00:00:46.240 Biden back in 1993, she was sexually harassed and then assaulted by him. Tara decided to come forward

00:00:54.880 in April of 2019 after Mr. Biden launched his campaign for the presidency, saying she was

00:01:00.980 inspired by other accusers and a desire to advocate for herself. Many in the media and those on the left

00:01:07.440 turned a blind eye to her accusations and then went so far as to actively smear her name, deciding

00:01:14.120 suddenly not to believe all women. But Tara continued to speak out. Last month, two Republican congressional

00:01:21.960 members said that Tara would be called to testify about her experience with Joe Biden in front of

00:01:28.340 the now GOP-controlled House of Representatives. But in a stunning move this week, Tara announced in a

00:01:34.120 press conference from Moscow that she is now in Russia and is seeking Russian citizenship over what

00:01:41.740 she says are threats to her safety here in the United States. Joining me now to discuss her story in this

00:01:47.680 exclusive interview is Tara Reid. Tara, welcome back to the show. Thank you for having me. It's been a

00:01:54.340 while and I'm glad to see you. Oh, I'm glad to see you too. And I want to get into all of it. I really

00:02:00.040 hope you are okay. This whole thing is extraordinary. When we sat together three years ago, who could have

00:02:06.100 foreseen this is where it would wind up? So first of all, are you okay? Are you are you all right?

00:02:12.220 I'm more than okay. I'm safe. And I'm very grateful, you know, to the to the Russian Federation. They

00:02:20.580 they are keeping me safe, and I feel safe. And yeah, I'm not being targeted in this country. And

00:02:27.020 it's beautiful here. It's, I have to say, you know, I've been to a lot of cities around the world. And

00:02:32.020 this is one of the most stunning cities I've ever been to. It's really gorgeous.

00:02:35.700 It is. It's spectacular. So you did not go over there to flee. You went to Russia when you had

00:02:45.340 never been when we when we met, you said you'd never been there. This was you took your first

00:02:49.500 trip just recently. So when did you go? Well, to take you back just for a second, I during COVID,

00:02:56.320 which you mentioned, I tried I published a book and nobody's book that was published during COVID

00:03:01.660 really did that well, to be honest. And so I it's been kind of limping along. And I just decided,

00:03:08.180 you know, I have the opportunity, opportunity to have it translated. And so I was coming here to

00:03:14.020 oversee the translation. And then it was being internationally just distributed. And I was

00:03:18.580 invited on an interview for channel one. And so I was here for about a week. You know, that's

00:03:23.860 it was the plan originally. And when did you get that way too? In late May? Correct. May 20.

00:03:32.440 Okay. I know that you have a lawyer now. She released a statement this morning saying that

00:03:37.480 the plane ticket was was paid for by I believe it was Russian television. Who paid for it?

00:03:46.400 It was channel one Russian television. So yes. So why did they pay for your ticket to Russia?

00:03:53.280 Um, they wanted me there for the interview. And we discussed my book and my case.

00:04:00.160 Okay. And then where were you staying during that, that week?

00:04:04.600 Um, I stayed at a very modest, uh, accommodation. So yeah.

00:04:11.780 A hotel or the home of someone?

00:04:13.600 Yeah. And in Moscow, I don't really want to say.

00:04:16.500 Okay. No, you don't have to get specific.

00:04:18.120 I'm had to be full of security issues.

00:04:19.540 No, no, I understand that. But was it, was it a hotel or was it the home of somebody?

00:04:24.320 Yes. Yes. It was just like a hotel and a very modest one at that.

00:04:28.400 Okay. And so you're over there. And at that time, was your intention to return to the United States?

00:04:33.800 And if so, when?

00:04:35.920 Well, yeah, I was actually coming back probably, you know, it's a couple of days travel because

00:04:40.360 you can't go directly into Moscow, as you know. Um, so it required me to go to another country and

00:04:45.140 then have a layover and then come back. So it was about a two day, 11 hour flight from the

00:04:50.520 secondary country. So five hours to that country, a flight, and then another 11 hours back to the

00:04:55.620 United States. So I was going to leave that Saturday and be home probably by Sunday night,

00:05:01.040 if I made my connections correctly. So you had a round trip ticket?

00:05:06.240 No, I had, um, a different, they, they gave me a one way and then I was getting another one way

00:05:11.740 because I think, um, I was going to go through a different country on the way back home. Um,

00:05:18.100 yeah, because I had come through Istanbul and I wasn't sure about leaving through Istanbul because

00:05:22.380 at that time there was having the elections and whatnot. So I was thinking about leaving through Dubai.

00:05:26.980 So when you were in Moscow, had they purchased you a return flight home prior to you receiving

00:05:33.220 the calls that were, yeah, they actually, well, while this was going on in the middle of the week,

00:05:37.460 they were about to, um, purchase my ticket and I was deciding if I was going to go through Istanbul

00:05:42.020 or Dubai. And then, um, we were in conversation and then I started getting information that if I

00:05:48.600 returned, um, that I might be at risk of being picked up at the airport. Okay. So let's talk about

00:05:55.360 that. What was the first inkling you had that you might be in danger of being arrested or worse?

00:06:02.800 Um, I was getting, um, some feedback, um, from people that, you know, and I, and, and this is,

00:06:09.440 and you, you know, I don't conceal anything, Megan with you. I've been very open and I don't like to do

00:06:15.240 that, but when it comes to other people's safety in their cases, I can't out them, but there are other

00:06:20.000 people who have sought safety in this area and their former journalists, former intelligence,

00:06:25.660 and they've had to not be able to go back to their home of origin anyway, but they still have

00:06:31.560 intelligence ties. And I was given two separate messages that, um, there may be, uh, you know,

00:06:38.760 that the U S government wasn't happy with my vacation choice. And, um, there may be something

00:06:44.400 happening. If I flew back in, um, I was given a very specific message around the middle of the week,

00:06:50.200 um, when I was about to purchase the ticket. In fact, it was that day and I was in conversations

00:06:55.760 with a person to get it, you know, arranged. And then I got a message, um, from someone else who said,

00:07:03.180 um, you know, if you please, uh, think about staying because there may be a red notice

00:07:11.100 Interpol warrant for your arrest if you go to an airport. So not even necessarily at the home

00:07:15.800 airport, it might've happened at the connecting flight. Now, when you say somebody told you this,

00:07:21.420 is this loose talk in expat circles in Russia by somebody saying, you know, Tara, he came over here

00:07:28.140 on the Russians dime that could get you in trouble. Given all the sanctions, you better look into that

00:07:33.180 before you go. I mean, was it loose talk or was it a specific threat by somebody who would be in a

00:07:36.940 position to know that you were actually in legal danger? It was two people, um, with specific

00:07:44.620 knowledge that I was in specific danger. And, um, now I have, you had mentioned, I have a lawyer, um,

00:07:51.200 he's a American lawyer. His name is John, um, Levy. And then, um, Rada, who you mentioned, Sterling is

00:07:59.440 helping with finding out where these warrants are. So exact. So she's contacting, and I don't really

00:08:05.220 understand all the process. It's very complicated, Megan. I know. And, you know, you know, I have a

00:08:09.600 law degree and you do too, but this is a very specialized area of law and I'm not really familiar

00:08:13.620 with Interpol international warrants, but, um, there is a mechanism to find out. And we're in

00:08:20.060 the process of doing that now. Right. You're trying to find out whether there is a red notice on you

00:08:24.840 through Interpol, which is an international organization that helps make arrests that when

00:08:29.720 a citizen from one country travels elsewhere and it might be a fugitive or a potential criminal.

00:08:34.840 Um, and you're trying to find out whether there is a quote, red notice for you with Interpol right now.

00:08:40.980 Exactly. And not just that, but I have a, I have a case, um, that's sealed, um, by the DOJ,

00:08:47.280 um, that was opened in 2020 and it, um, I can't, I mean, the case was opened by the DOJ and FBI.

00:08:55.360 They pulled all my Twitter, um, communications that attorney informed me that all of my communications

00:09:01.960 were taken under sealed warrants, meaning that other companies like Google, Gmail, phone, whatever,

00:09:07.180 but Twitter had chosen to go to court to inform me. And they had to make several motions in court

00:09:12.920 to even tell me that there's a sealed case. They impaneled a grand jury. And I thought,

00:09:18.160 because it's been three years, it's been since 2020, um, maybe this was over, um, you know,

00:09:24.420 cause it had to do with, you know, Joe Biden, you know, and all of that. And I thought, well,

00:09:28.380 if nothing happened, maybe that's the case. And what I found out is no, actually,

00:09:33.220 you know, it can sit there for as long as they want. And then they can choose to indict

00:09:36.940 like they did Julian Assange. He sat there for 10 years and then they indicted in my case. Um,

00:09:42.760 it's been three. And, um, I was advised that that needs to be looked at. I've had journalists try to

00:09:49.560 get that information. I've had a member of Congress I've had tried to look. I've also had,

00:09:54.500 um, you know, obviously I've gone through different methods with an attorney to try to

00:09:59.640 get it open. I have no information, but it's just sitting there. Um, so you believe that you're

00:10:04.240 under, you believe you're under investigation right now by the Biden DOJ prior to going to Russia,

00:10:11.500 that this was an investigation open, a grand jury investigation opened,

00:10:14.480 looking into something about you back in 2020. Correct. It's been sitting there. Um, and I

00:10:21.820 thought maybe it was over and it wasn't until I was on this trip that I was informed when I got

00:10:26.720 more educated about all of this, no, that it could be in diet that could be activated at any time. Um,

00:10:34.160 and there was also some other things that went on. Um, when I made my decision, as you know,

00:10:39.780 Megan, cause you've known me over the years and you know, I'm pretty methodical. I don't,

00:10:44.480 I'm not impulsive. I make decisions, um, based on analysis and data points. And I looked at the

00:10:52.220 cases that are, are, you know, and the activity since the election's ramping up as far as people

00:10:57.500 making threats, all of that thing. And then those two warnings that I got, and then there was one

00:11:02.740 more conversation that I had, which I know you want to get to, um, that put the seal on it, that I

00:11:08.200 decided, made my decision and I decided to err on the side of caution and not get on that plane.

00:11:15.940 Hmm. Can we talk about the two warnings? Because it, how did they find you? You know,

00:11:20.580 you're over there promoting a book, you give an interview to channel one. Um, that's, I mean,

00:11:25.100 all media in Russia is basically state run. Um, but so you give this interview and how did they,

00:11:31.420 what did people come to you personally? Did they call you? How did they reach out to you to say

00:11:35.340 there, there may be danger of you being arrested? They took great personal risk,

00:11:41.100 professional risk and personal risk and reached out through a friend. I did not know them directly,

00:11:45.180 um, and gave me the message. And may I ask if these are American citizens? All American.

00:11:53.060 Okay. So former, former Intel people from the American Intel intelligence agencies.

00:11:58.720 Absolutely. Yeah. And, and were these people in Russia?

00:12:02.460 I, I, again, I can't, I can't say anymore. No worries. Um, okay. And so they're saying,

00:12:11.840 Tara, you might be arrested if you leave Russia. And what did they specifically mention for violating

00:12:18.120 sanctions? Because we, as the audience probably knows, we have a bunch of sanctions on Russia right

00:12:22.980 now because of the war in Ukraine. And your lawyer was pointing out this morning in her statement,

00:12:27.500 and Rada Sterling, uh, one of your lawyers was saying, uh, this, this would be basically a joke

00:12:33.360 because she's the sanctions that are in place right now, um, against Russia would make it

00:12:41.000 inappropriate for companies to advertise on these Russian television stations to offer professional

00:12:48.580 services to said channels, but do not include a ban on receiving a plane ticket. So did you feel

00:12:57.180 that, uh, that's the sanction threat or the arrest threat was real?

00:13:02.360 Yes. Um, and the sanction issue, um, we're still trying to sort through. And then I made several

00:13:09.720 phone calls and nobody seemed to have the answer. And I called lawyers like in New York and DC

00:13:14.300 that had federal backgrounds. And they literally read said that some of these sanction laws are pages long.

00:13:20.460 They're relatively new. Megan is, you know, they're 2022, 2023. So some of them haven't even,

00:13:26.460 you know, really been enacted or they haven't been, you know, litigated in any way. Um, they're just

00:13:31.860 sitting there sort of. Um, but in my case, I had accepted this plane ticket from channel one and I was

00:13:39.780 told that that could be considered a violation. Now, what people need to understand is a violation of

00:13:44.160 sanctions, um, couldn't lead to prison time. Like it can lead to actually not just,

00:13:49.960 financial penalties, but actual prison. Hmm. So you've got that potential violation of

00:13:55.380 sanctions though. You know, your lawyer says that's a bunch of BS. You're, you're not a company

00:13:59.260 advertising. Uh, you're a citizen going over with a plane ticket to give an interview. Um,

00:14:04.920 that that's one piece of it. And then there's the possibility of some grand jury investigation,

00:14:10.380 some DOJ action in connection with something else started back here in 2020 on that front.

00:14:16.200 Do you believe that the government suspected you of being a Russian agent, that that investigation

00:14:23.180 had anything to do with that? Do you recall our conversation when we got, we kind of talked about

00:14:30.040 this? Yes. The first thing. Yeah. Right. The first thing that Joe Biden did when the New York times

00:14:37.060 called him, apparently according to Lisa layer was, um, she, they, she asked the campaign about me

00:14:43.500 and about that. And their first response was to send them blogs and statements I made about Vladimir

00:14:50.640 Putin and about Russia that were considered pro-Russia and inferred that I was a Russian

00:14:55.740 agent. And Edward Isaac Dover, who worked for the Atlantic did an article about me possibly being a

00:15:01.980 Russian asset. So it was that wild connection. And you and I had even joked about that, right?

00:15:08.400 Yeah. On your show because of how absurd it was. I was this girl who grew up in Wisconsin,

00:15:13.660 lived, you know, born in California, lived all my life in America. And then all of a sudden I'm,

00:15:18.460 I'm, you know, this Russian asset because I simply came forward about Joe Biden, but that, but, you know,

00:15:24.140 we were also in the thick of the whole, um, Russia gate, which has now been, been proven to be

00:15:29.600 all false and, um, a narrative that's been overturned, uh, you know, by several outlets

00:15:36.560 that those were outright lies. And now it's been proven in hearings in Congress. So I was sort of

00:15:41.560 swept up in that. This is so crazy. I want to show the audience this when, when we sat together

00:15:46.980 again, right in the heart of the COVID pandemic, I remember flying out to see you. There was no one

00:15:51.880 in any airport. It was completely desolate. I was like the only person we met. Um, we did our own

00:15:57.960 hair and makeup. It was like the world was shut down, but, but you wanted to speak and I wanted

00:16:02.300 to hear it. And I asked you about your past writings about Putin. And here's part of that

00:16:08.100 exchange. Okay. You've said he's a genius with athletic prowess. That's intoxicating. He has an

00:16:14.420 alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life,

00:16:19.660 the embodiment of grace while facing adversity. Uh, and that like most women across the world,

00:16:24.860 you like president Putin a lot shirt on or off. Well, that was a joke, but, um, that was humorous

00:16:31.780 meant to be humorous, but you sound pretty enamored with it. You know, I've never been to Russia. I

00:16:35.280 don't know what it's like to live there or the human rights violations that, you know, he is accused

00:16:40.380 of. And what I would say now is that I don't appreciate his views about, for instance, domestic

00:16:46.200 violence, um, programs. Like there's not a lot of support for women from my understanding.

00:16:51.360 You've had a change of heart on him. Yeah.

00:16:54.860 Okay. And then your heart's changed back since then from the sound of it, because you were saying

00:16:59.780 very, very different things. Well, you know, I, I'm not going to speak to anything about, um,

00:17:03.760 Russian laws or anything because I I'm just been here a week. So I can't really speak to anything

00:17:08.360 actually except tourist stuff and how pretty it is, but, um, here, but what I can tell you is that,

00:17:14.320 um, I've been, it's a very efficient city. It's very good, you know, Moscow itself. And,

00:17:19.800 and I really enjoy it here as far as, uh, Vladimir Putin goes, the president of Russia. I don't know

00:17:26.280 him. I still haven't met him and I probably will never meet him. It was just, um, a blog that I was

00:17:32.620 doing for a novel that I was writing. And you and I kind of, if you, if people watched that interview

00:17:37.940 further, we would talk about that as well. Um, and, you know, it's one of the, it's one of the

00:17:44.180 posts you should go back and look at, at it, keep going. Yeah. But, but what I was going to say is,

00:17:48.640 is you should definitely, um, you know, give president Putin credit, um, right now for

00:17:55.100 protecting or taking in people that are, that have no place to go. They, I mean, when you look at the

00:18:01.460 world right now, if there is an Interpol arrest warrant, I literally have no country I can go to

00:18:08.660 for safety except Russia. And I think just a couple others. So, um, there are people here

00:18:14.900 whose only, um, crime may be just to simply tell the truth or to present what's going on in Ukraine,

00:18:22.560 like, um, filming in Donbass and talking to the residents of Donbass about how horrible they're,

00:18:27.880 you know, it's been to have the key of regime attacking them, that there are neo-Nazis,

00:18:32.280 um, in Donbass and that there is the Azov battalions, which are Nazis. Um, and that,

00:18:39.600 you know, I mean, so you have people that have been bringing that truth and have been to those

00:18:44.520 places and talk to the residents that are happy. The Russians are there to protect them.

00:18:49.440 And, um, that's not being allowed in the Western media. It's being suppressed and the journalists

00:18:54.500 doing it are being, um, demonetized. If they're independent, they're being harassed. Look what

00:19:00.520 just happened to Kit Klarenberg. Kit Klarenberg does deep investigative reporting. Um, but he's

00:19:06.460 not following the narrative of the Great Britain, you know, or, or the state department from the U S

00:19:11.700 and they, um, detained him in London, England and took his DNA and took all his electronics and he

00:19:19.520 didn't commit a crime. He's a journalist. So, you know, we're, we're, you know, I have to give,

00:19:24.840 um, President Putin credit for allowing a safe haven, um, for people that are trying to,

00:19:31.700 you know, tell the truth. Wow. I understand that's your perspective. It is, it is only part

00:19:36.940 of the story, obviously about what's happening in Ukraine as children are dying by the thousands and

00:19:41.640 the tapes are absolutely deeply disturbing. And there are very good reasons to see Putin in a very

00:19:46.880 different way as a villain, as the aggressor and as his actions entirely unjustified. That's not

00:19:51.980 the purpose of our debate today. Okay. So I don't, but yeah, and I don't see him as a villain. I see

00:19:57.020 him, you know, that's simply not true. I don't, I think that that, that narrative, and that's been

00:20:01.560 the problem is the Western has been controlling the narrative so, so hard that they're not allowing

00:20:07.100 the truth to come out, which is that. Or we see the truth and we have different opinions on it.

00:20:11.580 I mean, that's, that's, there's another, there's no reason for you and I to, I see your point,

00:20:15.440 but that's, that's a debate for a different day. We've been having it ad nauseum on this show and

00:20:19.140 others. Um, though I, I do want to ask you at the time we sat and we talked about your allegations

00:20:24.480 against Joe Biden, had you ever been in contact with anyone from Russia at the time that we talked

00:20:31.260 of? No, of course not. No. So there was no, because now there's speculation back then you were a Russian

00:20:38.180 agent back then you were being used by Russia to smear Joe Biden. Absolutely not. No, I was writing a

00:20:44.840 novel as you know. So now. Okay. And, and you were, when you did a press conference about your

00:20:50.780 circumstances just the other day, you were with Maria Butina, uh, who was convicted here in America

00:20:57.200 of being an undisclosed Russian agent and went and was sentenced to, I think, 19 months in prison,

00:21:02.300 then went back home and is a journalist over in Russia now, or actually she's a, she's a representative

00:21:07.840 of the state Duma, which is the lower house of the legislature. And she, um, had, when was the first

00:21:13.160 time you met her? I actually met her because, you know, I have a podcast called the politics of

00:21:18.320 survival and I try to bring on stories that, you know, weren't told very often. And she, the focus

00:21:23.300 of that story, um, because she wasn't a Russian spy and that, and, and there was even a American

00:21:28.760 journalist who did a, a good piece called, um, Maria Butina, the spy that wasn't, um, I'd encourage

00:21:35.300 people to read that. She was sort of used politically again, caught up in that Russia gate narrative that

00:21:40.300 Hillary Clinton was, was rabid about at that time. Um, she, um, our focus of our interview was about

00:21:46.920 prison conditions because she was put in solitary confinement for months and, um, which is considered

00:21:52.320 by the UN and, and by most as a form of torture. She talked about, um, the systemic racism. She talked

00:21:59.060 about the women she met in prison and just the conditions and what she saw. And, um, you know,

00:22:04.440 like she mentioned one woman had been in solitary for six years in solitary prison, you know,

00:22:10.840 solitary confinement. I mean, no one would defend that. I got a feeling it's not much better in

00:22:14.000 Russia. They're not exactly known for their human rights championship over there, Tara. I hate to

00:22:19.240 tell you, but you may have jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. We don't know. We don't,

00:22:23.300 we don't know because the narrative is so controlled. We're not allowed to know.

00:22:26.860 I hope you don't find out. I hope you don't find out. I really do. I don't think you're going to get

00:22:30.700 arrested over there, but let's face it. Putin's record on human rights is abysmal. That's the

00:22:35.140 truth. Um, okay. That's not to excuse anything that's being done to you possibly by our country,

00:22:40.860 because you don't deserve to be to any retribution for speaking out about Joe Biden and the, the DOJ

00:22:45.840 investigation back in 2020, seeking your Twitter account, uh, correspondence, I'll be in there among

00:22:52.060 others, uh, is highly suspicious, highly suspicious, unless they had real evidence you had done something

00:22:57.560 criminal or we're actively coordinating with some known Russian agent. What like, let's have it. We've

00:23:02.480 been three years now. Let's have it. So do your lawyers feel that they can unearth anything that's

00:23:07.140 happening there? Do they have any right to know what's happening there? Well, what my lawyers were

00:23:11.860 told is no, and they may never know. And, um, they don't. And, you know, my hope was that a member of

00:23:17.560 Congress could get it opened, um, with higher, you know, uh, status for, for intelligence, I guess,

00:23:23.780 or like, you know, being able to open it. So, you know, that was my inquiry. Um, right now,

00:23:29.280 of course the, the international lawyers and the, the one that's in DC area, we'll be looking into

00:23:35.660 that to see if they can get it open. But as far as I know, what the main thrust of, of that is when

00:23:43.360 they seal a file and seal the grand jury, it's, it's really hard to open it unless they choose to

00:23:49.080 indict. Hmm. Okay. So let's go back to the week of, I think you said it was May 20, 21st to that

00:23:56.020 week when you had flown over. Well, yeah, I landed May 20th. So I left May 20th is Saturday. Just

00:24:01.220 looking at my calendar. So that you said around that Wednesday, you got these calls or the, you

00:24:05.560 were contacted later. No. Yeah. So later in that week, so it would have been, what is that the 25th

00:24:10.580 or whatever the 23rd? So Wednesday's the 24th, Thursday's the 25th. Okay. Yeah. So you, you get

00:24:15.840 contacted and you reached out to Congressman Matt Gaetz's office. Now the reason you re the reason

00:24:22.820 you reached out to Matt Gaetz's office is because Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor green, as I said, in the

00:24:27.220 intro, we're working with you to potentially have a hearing on the sexual abuse allegations against

00:24:33.100 Joe Biden. You're not the only woman to accuse him of harassment. There were at least seven plus,

00:24:37.380 um, who came forward when he was running. Yours are the most egregious. And I should state for the

00:24:43.460 record. He vehemently denies them. Um, so they, as I understand it, Tara wanted to, um, take you,

00:24:51.640 uh, my, and my, this is my understanding, according to a Matt Gaetz source, uh, their plan,

00:24:56.840 because they had sent a letter to the Senate on behalf of you requesting any and all records

00:25:02.120 relating to your allegations of sexual abuse. When you worked for Joe Biden, you told me you did

00:25:07.680 complain at the time, not about the abuse allegation where he allegedly stopped you in the

00:25:12.540 hallway and hurt you, but about harassment that you were enduring at his hand. And you did go,

00:25:18.200 you wrote it down, you made a formal complaint. And yet we've never found those records. And that

00:25:23.140 my understanding was that Gaetz's office and Marjorie Taylor green's office were trying,

00:25:27.600 they had sent a letter to the Senate on your behalf, seeking any and all records of those

00:25:31.700 allegations. And then they were responded to, um, by the Senate saying, we're going to protect the

00:25:37.840 privacy of Tara read. We're not giving you your records because we need to protect her privacy.

00:25:42.540 And that the next move was going to be to go with you to Capitol Hill, where you would sign a waiver

00:25:49.420 in person saying, hello, they're acting on my behalf. I want those records. I've been trying to

00:25:54.380 get those records every way I can. Now I'm going to try to get them through these two Congress people,

00:25:58.380 turn them over. And that that was the next plan step for you here in the United States. Is that correct?

00:26:04.060 Correct. But I think you could sign the waiver. Yeah. And they were going to hand in the notice,

00:26:10.020 but I did sign a waiver as well online, but it's just a matter of if they, you know, require it.

00:26:16.180 So you were going to go in person and do that and then have a press conference to tell people what

00:26:21.900 had just happened. Correct. With Matt Gaetz. All right. So you're coordinating with his office

00:26:27.080 about that possible next move, which may or may not lead to congressional hearings and so on. You're

00:26:32.180 laying the foundation, trying to get your documentation, which you were trying to get

00:26:35.540 back when we talked three years ago as well. Yes. And, and then you fly to Russia, you're promoting

00:26:42.660 your book that those wheels are still in motion back on Capitol Hill. And when you get this warning,

00:26:48.100 you call Matt Gaetz. What happened in that convo?

00:26:50.000 Well, you know, I have to give him credit. Um, he's, I now think of him as quite a noble person

00:26:57.820 because, you know, he didn't advise me. Um, he simply gave me information. I said, Hey, look,

00:27:03.120 I told him my information about the warnings I was given about being arrested at the airport or in

00:27:08.840 transit. And, um, I asked for immunity. Can I be immune from this? Cause I haven't done it,

00:27:14.060 committed any crimes. All I'm doing is talking about the truth and I feel targeted by the DOJ and FBI.

00:27:18.880 This is part of, and ironically, one of the cases that I was going to, I was going to testify about

00:27:24.580 my case, but I was also asked to testify with other whists about the whistleblowers that are

00:27:30.360 being persecuted by the DOJ and FBI by Joe Biden on a panel. And I was going to also participate in

00:27:36.600 that. Right. Um, so, you know, I, we, we had that conversation about it and he basically said,

00:27:43.040 look, I can't, I can't, uh, promise anything about blanket immunity or immunity, but he said,

00:27:50.340 but I'll tell you this Tara, you know, um, I'm really concerned for your personal safety

00:27:55.060 here because I know how these people operate. And I found that stunning, you know, he's a U S

00:28:01.340 congressman. And as you know, one of the whistleblowers has disappeared. Um, and I think

00:28:06.900 they're trying, I think as of today, there was new news that they're trying to locate that person,

00:28:11.060 but they are so scared. I guess they, they are trying to do this from underground kind of like

00:28:16.860 I'm trying to testify from Russia, but this tells you the mafia state that the United States is in

00:28:23.420 right now under the Biden regime. Um, that we're literally, let me ask you about that. Let me

00:28:28.840 press you on that because does it, I'm not, I don't know what they've done or what they haven't

00:28:33.040 done, but so far all we have is, you know, you, you interview so many people and you are so good

00:28:39.720 at reading them. Right. And people always tell you who they are. Don't you remember when Joe

00:28:44.540 Biden had his mic off and he said, um, or he didn't know that he had the mic still on, excuse

00:28:49.980 me. And he said on a hot mic, he said, nobody fucks with a Biden. And I mean, who says that

00:28:56.520 that, but, but that's his mentality. And that's how this team works that, I mean, I have been under

00:29:01.820 so many, and you know, how many threats I've been on over the years.

00:29:05.380 Oh, they're trying to destroy you. The media has tried to destroy you and I can't put it on

00:29:10.400 Biden, but yeah, the audience should know that is real. I witnessed that firsthand. The left,

00:29:16.880 the organized political left went after you with a vengeance and tried to smear you because you'd

00:29:22.840 filed for bankruptcy, looked into your college records, counted up the credits. Did she really

00:29:28.260 quite get over the line on her degree? She held herself out as an expert. Was she really an expert?

00:29:32.840 I mean, they, you were trying to help domestic violence victims and they treated you like you

00:29:37.480 were chief abuser of, of truth. And look, that's what they do, but it was such a juxtaposition from

00:29:43.880 believe all women that it was absolutely telling. So I, I validate that whole experience for you.

00:29:50.960 And it's also true that Biden administration has been targeting its enemies for sure from parents who

00:29:57.280 speak out at school board meetings, who get the FBI potentially involved on down. We've covered all of

00:30:02.700 that. But here, what we have is proof is two people. We don't know who you say were former

00:30:09.020 American Intel who said, be careful. There might be an Interpol red notice on you that could lead to

00:30:14.980 your arrest for violating sanctions. Matt Gates saying, I don't know. Maybe he's saying, I don't

00:30:20.100 know, but I know how these people operate and that, you know, I hope you're safe. That's not exactly

00:30:24.540 proof, proof positive of the Biden administration doing anything to you.

00:30:28.160 Well, you know, it, it was for me as far as making a decision about whether I felt like

00:30:34.620 I could just go home and not be walking into a very bad situation because right now under the

00:30:39.900 current new laws, like if they were charging me with say the FARA act, which the, that's a foreign

00:30:45.000 registration act, um, which is, um, you know, kind of speculation if that sealed case, if that's what

00:30:51.660 that is, um, if you're acting as a Russian agent here in America and you haven't disclosed it,

00:30:57.260 you could violate this act. Go ahead. Right. It's administrative act. That's kind of a backdoor

00:31:02.140 into the espionage. And it wasn't really ever even enforced until Maria Boutina's case, but also

00:31:08.860 January 6th, a couple of the cases, you know, where they designated people as terrorists. And now with

00:31:14.520 chairman O'Malley, that the black socialist group, um, they've now been indicted, they're facing 10

00:31:21.360 to 15 years in prison maybe. Um, and they've had their passports revoked. Uh, and that's chairman

00:31:28.420 O'Malley. He's 80 years old. He's been an activist, a black African, um, American activist for 50 years.

00:31:35.720 And he's not a Russian agent, but that's what the charges are. And they've been, and in the

00:31:40.160 indictment, they said he was sowing discord. Um, and because he was pushing back against the proxy

00:31:46.460 war that the U S and NATO's waging against Russia via Ukraine. And for that, they, three of them in

00:31:52.860 that, or I think four, excuse me, are now facing prison time. They've been arrested, indicted, whatever.

00:31:58.720 So with this new law, they can hold people up to 18 months without even charging them. And you may not

00:32:04.720 even get access to counsel. Well, guess what? The, the election's coming and I'm just about to

00:32:10.420 testify. What would Joe Biden love more than anything else than to have me silent, to have

00:32:15.600 me put away, to have me not testifying before Congress. Right. So I made my decision alone

00:32:22.820 without anyone coercing me. So you're right. I, but I did, it was looking at several data points

00:32:29.060 and looking at listening to people and weighing it out. And I even like took notes and wrote it down

00:32:34.700 and did pluses and minuses. I mean, I really thought about this. Um, you know, I didn't sleep

00:32:40.780 one night just thinking and thinking about my options. And I really, so I, I analyzed it,

00:32:47.980 but also I went with my gut and my gut was telling me, don't do it. You're going to walk into something

00:32:53.160 bad. We reached out to Congressman Gates's office to try to get confirmation of this conversation.

00:32:59.440 We were unsuccessful in getting any comment on that though. A Matt Gates source told us that he did

00:33:04.480 express sympathy to you when you called him, um, no ownership, you know, and, and, you know,

00:33:11.380 and I don't want him to become a target again because he was honest with me because he could

00:33:16.680 have said, yeah, Tara, come on, get on that plane. And then I, you know, I would have had a different

00:33:22.400 fate. And by the way, did he know you were going to Moscow? Did he know? I told him, I told him exactly

00:33:28.700 where it was. Did he know that you were going before that, before you went? No. Okay. So he,

00:33:35.600 you called him up. He says, where are you calling from? And you say, I'm, I'm in Moscow. I mean,

00:33:41.000 that must've been a moment. I'm in Moscow, Russia. My God. I mean, was there like, I just, as a human,

00:33:47.280 was there like a holy right moment? People are like, what? No, he, he just said, he knew I explained

00:33:54.840 that I was there for the book and for an interview and that I was trying to get the translation done.

00:33:58.900 And it was going out to not just Russian, but it was going out to French, Spanish, Italian. It was

00:34:03.220 going out to all different being distributed internationally. And we should say, give me the

00:34:07.500 name of the book again. I have it here. I think he said, I can't remember his exact words on that

00:34:12.400 because I, but I think he said something like that's unfortunate. And then I think he said something

00:34:16.160 like, um, well, I can't go there because it's sanctioned. And I said, well, apparently I can't go

00:34:20.080 either. Um, uh, something like that. Um, but other than that, you know, he focused more on

00:34:25.600 what he was trying to do to further the investigation into Joe Biden. And that was

00:34:30.460 his focus of his conversation. And then he gave me the name of the book again, just so people know

00:34:34.960 why there's interest in it. Sure. It's left out when the truth doesn't fit in. And it's about this

00:34:41.400 whole experience you're talking about. Yes. And I'm having to add three chapters. So this will

00:34:46.880 probably be a chapter at least, at least. Okay. So that, so you're over there. You decide,

00:34:52.280 can I just say though, I know from our previous dealings, you have a, you have a daughter who you

00:34:57.440 absolutely adore. You have all these pets who I know you're like a diehard lifelong animal lover.

00:35:02.980 I mean, it's not, what about your daughter? What about Michaela?

00:35:08.820 Yeah. Um, you know, it's been, it's been horrendous to, to make that decision and I'm going to get

00:35:14.240 emotional. I miss her. Um, but I'm not going to do her any good if I'm in a cage and I'm,

00:35:22.640 she wouldn't see me anyway. And I feel like I'm so targeted right now and I feel so unsafe in the

00:35:29.080 United States and how it started amping up and the election hasn't even really started in earnest.

00:35:33.880 And Joe Biden apparently is running that. I don't feel, um, you know, that I can go back safely and

00:35:40.900 I feel she might be at risk because I'm in that proximity and you know, it's hard. It's the

00:35:46.080 hardest decision. One of the hardest decisions I've ever made in my life, but, um, and I missed my

00:35:51.640 pets desperately and it was sudden. So I'm still scrambling to try to sort everything, but all I can

00:36:00.020 tell you is that somehow there's a piece inside me that I know I avoided something really negative

00:36:06.820 and I refuse to be intimidated and bullied and pushed out by Joe Biden from trying to get justice.

00:36:16.240 Now, and I say that knowing I might not get personal justice, right? But I, I at least want to be able

00:36:23.700 to testify under oath in Congress about what he did and see an investigation. I don't even care anymore

00:36:30.420 at this point of the results. I want to raise up the issue that Joe Biden is weaponizing the FBI and

00:36:36.920 DOJ against private citizens. Look what they're doing to like Matt Taibbi who exposed the, the,

00:36:43.100 the infiltration of the DOJ and FBI into, um, social media and Twitter by Hamilton 68 and all that

00:36:51.200 reporting. He had IRS. Yeah. So IRS after him and everything else. Rather than retreading that ground

00:36:56.280 because we've talked about that a lot on the show, but what can I ask you about when you did,

00:37:01.040 did you have to call your daughter at some point and say, I did Michaela, I'm in Russia and I'm

00:37:07.320 seeking citizenship here and staying. So how did that go? It didn't. Okay. That wasn't one

00:37:15.080 conversation. That was several. And you know, there's a time zone difference and it was hard

00:37:19.600 and it was heart wrenching. And I didn't tell her right at first. I told her in increments

00:37:23.400 because I wasn't sure what I was doing. Like I, you know, I, I wasn't sure what my options were.

00:37:28.500 Right. And I still completely don't know, like, I don't know how long I'll be allowed to stay.

00:37:34.580 If I would be granted citizenship, I don't know the answer to these questions. Um, and they have a,

00:37:40.060 you know, they have a complicated process just like the United States does. They have their own

00:37:43.860 process and I don't know. Why, why seek citizenship? Why give up your, I mean, this is sort of how a lot

00:37:49.740 of people over here have reacted. Like why is she seeking Russian citizenship and why is she bashing

00:37:54.640 the United States on a Russian stage? Well, first of all, I've been saying the same thing about I'm

00:38:01.540 not bashing the United States. I love my country. I don't like the elites and the corruption that's

00:38:08.060 running it. I don't like the military industrial complex that has hijacked it. We're spending a

00:38:13.200 trillion dollars next year on defense alone while our infrastructure is falling down. You know,

00:38:18.580 you know, there's a difference Tara between saying that from California or Seattle and saying that

00:38:23.780 from Moscow. There's, it has a different feeling. I know, but you're, when you're on Russian soil

00:38:28.900 asking for Russian citizenship and you start bashing the United States as a current American,

00:38:32.980 people get rather upset and see you as a traitor. I'm not a traitor. And I want to remind everyone

00:38:40.000 too, that, you know, that would think of me as a traitor, that I worked as a democratic,

00:38:44.100 you know, aid like on congressional races. I worked for Leon Panetta. I worked for Joe Biden.

00:38:49.720 I worked in public service. I helped people in social services that needed help. I testified

00:38:56.520 in legislatures to try to make laws better. You know, in Washington state, I did a lot of pro bono

00:39:04.720 public service work. And then when I needed help, when I came forward about Joe Biden, look how I was

00:39:10.760 treated, Megan, my country betrayed me. I haven't betrayed my country.

00:39:16.840 And that's how I feel. And I feel, and it's not even the country itself. It's the elites. And I

00:39:22.620 know who it is because the P the people of the United States are good people. And most people do

00:39:27.080 not want to be close to world war three Biden is. And you know, I said in 2019, that Joe, if Joe Biden

00:39:34.100 became president, he would take us to war with Russia. And here we are. And I got a lot of flack for

00:39:39.200 saying that, but here we are, we're on, we're in the most dangerous moment in history. And while my

00:39:44.420 case is important to me and it's important, I think one of the most important conversations we

00:39:49.700 all need to be having is why aren't our leaders using diplomacy? Why do you have Lindsey Graham?

00:39:55.060 Okay. I get it. But we're rounding back to a policy debate that is for another day.

00:39:58.540 I understand it's important to you and it's important to the country, but again, why seek

00:40:02.960 citizenship in Russia? Why not? I mean, like, why can't I be free to seek citizenship,

00:40:09.420 dual citizenship, wherever I want? Like people have European passports and they have American

00:40:13.160 passports. Why not? I'm doing, I'm doing a book thing here. I also got another book that's coming

00:40:20.740 out in September, a manuscript that got approved. So I needed to do research here and I wanted to go

00:40:27.280 back and forth and I wanted the benefit. You can go back and forth as an American. I've been to Russia

00:40:32.440 a couple of times over the past five, you can go back and forth as an American. You can go back and

00:40:37.360 forth, but I wanted to explore doing both. And I think there's nothing wrong with that. I think

00:40:42.080 there's nothing wrong. It doesn't sound right. I got red flags all over it. When you say that

00:40:46.400 there's gotta be a reason Tara, what, what is the reason? The reason is that I, I personally find

00:40:53.480 this country beautiful. And, um, for the first time I felt safe and I felt free and I wasn't

00:41:02.320 feeling that in the United States. And I think that, that the geopolitical world is changing. I

00:41:06.980 think that it is becoming a multipolar world. I think that the East is becoming strong and

00:41:12.080 economically, and I think there's opportunities. So I wanted to have the experience of, of, of having

00:41:17.080 both places and there's nothing wrong with that, but also going to live to support yourself.

00:41:23.480 Oh, well, I'm a writer. So, and, you know, I just got the book approved and I'll do other

00:41:29.240 writing jobs and, and work, you know, in, in that realm, but I, I, I hope, and I already

00:41:36.360 have, um, offers to do that. And, you know, I'm going to, to pursue those offers to write

00:41:41.880 and to, as I said, I have a manuscript that's due in September. So I have that project that I'm

00:41:48.680 working on. And I think you speak Russian. I do not speak Russian, but this is going

00:41:54.100 to be a problem. This, this plan has got some holes in it. Uh, yeah. And I have, I have plans

00:42:00.820 to have tutors and to learn and to, they have classes here just like they do in America.

00:42:05.520 And then, and of course I even have an app and I've been learning, like I can say, you know,

00:42:09.480 private and I can say a couple of words. Yeah. Um, but you know, it's, I don't, I just don't

00:42:18.840 buy into the Russophobia. It's like, it's like if I decided to make a second home in Italy,

00:42:24.040 which a lot of people are doing, actually, they're retiring in Italy or Mexico or other

00:42:28.600 countries that are maybe have a better cost of living. Um, you know, no one questions that

00:42:34.280 white question, Russia, Russia. I understand. And listen, you said this to me back when we

00:42:38.460 interviewed three years ago, you know, that you didn't like the Russophobia and look, having been

00:42:43.180 there, having been to St. Petersburg, having been to Moscow, it is a spectacular, it's absolutely

00:42:47.840 beautiful there. The people are lovely. I know that they're, they, they get demonized because of

00:42:52.780 the Russian politics and the Russian behavior that you have to be able to separate the two, you know,

00:42:57.000 the people of Russia from the politics of Russia, same as we hope they do for us. So I,

00:43:02.520 I don't mean to, yeah, the food, is that what you said?

00:43:06.420 The food is really good. And you know, what's remarkable about the food is, is it really shocked

00:43:11.940 me because no one really talks about this, but it tastes like it does food tasted like when I was a

00:43:16.760 kid. And I was like, what is that? So I asked Rand and what it is, is they don't allow GMOs.

00:43:21.000 They don't allow, um, hormones. They don't allow any of that Monsanto, anything, those products.

00:43:26.700 They also don't allow gays. So it's like, it's a trade-off. Um,

00:43:30.980 I look, I want to ask you whether you think you can come back because you still say you're going

00:43:37.920 to testify. So how, if Gates and Taylor green get this hearing going, so how are you going to do

00:43:43.680 that? Oh, I'm glad you asked that. Um, the lawyer that I spoke to, um, is going to prefer, I think

00:43:50.140 is the term prefer, um, Congress, um, and request that I be able to come in video link. And, uh,

00:43:57.280 so I can do so safely. And I would like to testify that way. Um, and we'll see if it's accepted.

00:44:02.900 Uh, um, and then, um, yeah. Yeah. I want to ask you this because, uh, John Kirby, who's the Pentagon

00:44:08.340 spokesperson for the administration has been for a long time was asked about these allegations

00:44:13.420 that your life is at risk here as a result of policies by the U S government or at the hands

00:44:18.180 of the U S government. Here's what he said. Sot nine. She announced yesterday, she's seeking

00:44:23.220 citizenship in Russia and she feels safer there. Does the white house have any reaction to that

00:44:29.620 announcement given the accusations that she's made against president? I think we'd be loathe

00:44:33.720 to comment on the, uh, uh, on the musings of a potential Russian citizen. That's really up

00:44:38.860 for her to, to speak to. Does the white house, uh, believe that her allegations may have been

00:44:44.840 motivated by her allegiance to affinity for Russia? Difficult to say. One thing I will say is

00:44:51.680 that the allegations that, uh, her life was at risk, uh, by the United States government,

00:44:57.580 absolutely false baseless. There's nothing to that. Does that reassure you? Um, Julian Assange,

00:45:05.900 Edward Snowden, you know, I mean, come on. If you, if you speak out against the empire,

00:45:13.280 um, and besides like how many times have they stood up there and been lying to us and that's those lies

00:45:21.020 have been revealed recently about Russiagate. Um, so, you know, no, I don't trust the words of John

00:45:27.480 Kirby and he knows very well why I'm frightened. He knows very well. And, and by the way, Megan,

00:45:33.340 why didn't they just have the press secretary answer? Why would they have someone from the NSA?

00:45:39.000 Hmm. Well, we may get questions there as well as the news cycle unfolds. I want to show the audience

00:45:44.100 picture you sent me of you sitting in the Russian Duma. Um, yeah, which is, oh, the state Duma is

00:45:49.940 beautiful. It's incredible. This is again, the lower body of the legislation. Um, and I'll put

00:45:55.560 that up on the board, but it's not going to help with the people who think this is all part of your

00:46:01.700 Russian agent, secret agent operation for the record. What, what are your ties if any, to the

00:46:08.400 Russian government, the Russian Federation? Absolutely none. I think it's so silly. It's

00:46:13.360 so ridiculous. I mean, I got a tour of the Duma. That was pretty exciting, but like, so do school

00:46:17.540 children there. I think though for, for foreigners, it is, um, you know, different. Like I think I'm,

00:46:23.000 because there are not many Americans visiting. Um, I was like the second one, but I, I wanted to bring

00:46:28.420 up something, you know, you brought up something about, um, about homosexuality earlier, you know,

00:46:33.820 that it's legal in Russia, that it's not illegal here. So I don't know why that there's this myth

00:46:39.280 that that's illegal in Russia. Cause it's not, but anyway, because, well, there's a history of

00:46:43.460 persecution, but, but going forward, as far as like what I saw, homosexuality as, as far as like what

00:46:54.020 I've been able to see, um, I've been typical kind of tourist things, red square, but you've been there

00:47:00.080 for a week. So let's, let's not, it's anecdotal stuff on that. It's fine. I, uh, it's not that

00:47:04.760 it's illegal. It's that there's a history of persecution. You're not allowed to openly promote

00:47:08.480 prosecution. Uh, sorry. You're not allowed to openly promote homosexuality. And there are very

00:47:13.360 different approaches when it comes to these and other human rights in Russia, as you know,

00:47:16.580 you'll undoubtedly see the longer you stay there. I'll say this too. John Kirby said for the record,

00:47:22.260 um, the question was, does the white house believe Tara is part of a Russian influence operation?

00:47:26.420 And he said, I've seen no evidence or proof of that. Finally, uh, your lawyer says you are filing

00:47:32.760 a case with the United nations. What, what help do you hope to get from them?

00:47:39.860 To talk about freedom of expression, freedom of speech. And, um, that because I do feel, um,

00:47:47.220 because I came forward about Joe Biden and because of the corruption, you know, that has gone on and

00:47:52.220 speaking freely about that, that that's made me a bit of a target or more of a target. And so that

00:47:58.560 is a mechanism to address it and to address the fact that if they did put out these, um, you know,

00:48:04.960 these different, uh, Interpol, you know, that, that is basically political targeting because that's what

00:48:09.740 I think it is. Um, and we, and we all know, um, when that's been happened to whistleblowers, you know,

00:48:16.400 John Kiriakou, you know, we can name so many, right?

00:48:19.060 Hmm. Well, I certainly hope you get resolution of it. I would love to see you come back here.

00:48:24.460 I, I feel like this is a battle you can fight legally through lawyers right back here at home

00:48:30.400 with your daughter and your animals, your pets and your country, Tara. I hope, I hope you're able

00:48:36.180 to do that. I hope you're open-minded to it. I hope so too, but we need to ask, um, you know,

00:48:41.780 we need to ask that the Biden regime basically is what has become. They need to stop targeting

00:48:49.400 people the way they are. I mean, and look at the domestic terrorism, the way they're going after

00:48:53.560 people that are considered MAGA, you know, I'm not a Trump supporter and I'm not a MAGA,

00:48:57.120 but I don't believe they should be persecuted any more than I should be persecuted for my political

00:49:01.280 beliefs. You know, I love my country too, but I want it to be better. And right now we're slowly

00:49:08.040 seeing our freedom of speech being pulled away from us. And, um, you know, the whole movement

00:49:13.540 towards disinformation and deciding being a filter and deciding who gets to know what that's not

00:49:19.480 healthy and it's not, you know, it's not good. So it's affected my life. Like Tara, you realize

00:49:27.080 you, you understand where you've moved, right? In terms of the citizenry being targeted,

00:49:33.960 not being able to access information. I have never felt so free. I have never felt so free.

00:49:36.800 Wait until you try to access the internet. Wait until you try to do a Google search on

00:49:40.380 Putin's background. Things are very different over there. And you may come to learn firsthand

00:49:44.300 that, um, as I said, you've jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. Our two countries

00:49:48.720 are vastly different. Let's bring it back though, to the fact that Joe Biden was a U S Senator and I

00:49:54.220 was a U S Senate aide. He raped me in the U S Congress. It had nothing to do with Russia or any

00:49:58.960 other foreign country. I tried to get help. I tried to come forward and instead I'm being sidelined and

00:50:06.160 being silenced. And when I try to go through a process of, of, you know, testifying, you know,

00:50:10.680 I get targeted and he's weaponizing the DOJ and FBI, not just against me, but others.

00:50:15.860 Your particular circumstances. I understand. I understand, but there is no comparison when it

00:50:20.380 comes to human rights on the record of the United States of America and the record of Putin's Russia,

00:50:26.440 period. I, I, as you know, I wish you all the best. I want to stay in touch and please let us know

00:50:31.080 how you do with all of this. All right. Thank you very much. All right. To be continued.

00:50:36.880 When we come back, Greg Jarrett from Fox news is here. He's a lawyer as well. He's going to talk

00:50:41.040 about this, his new book and much, much more here with me now to react to my interview with Tara

00:50:50.000 Reed and much, much more is Fox news host and legal analyst and old friend of yours. Truly Greg

00:50:56.380 Jarrett. Greg is out with a new book titled the trial of the century. And it's not about OJ Simpson.

00:51:02.780 It's about something else, which we'll get into and which has a lot of lessons for what's happening

00:51:07.260 right now in the United States. Greg, so good to see you. Hey, it's great to see you, Megan. And

00:51:12.860 congratulations on your wonderful show that is so popular. And I'm, you know, grateful that you have

00:51:19.900 me on. Oh, thank you. You look amazing. You look the same. You don't age. Hey, I'm two years away from

00:51:26.260 70 years old, which I'm dreading, but it's kind of you to say so. Oh, all right. So I know you've

00:51:35.260 been listening and Tara Reed there. It was tense at times. She made a lot of allegations. She said

00:51:42.220 at the top that she only had a one way ticket to Russia, which is kind of interesting. She went on

00:51:47.760 to say all sorts of positive things about Putin and Russia's human rights, which was a bridge too

00:51:56.060 far. But what did you make of the crux of her allegations here? Well, I was glad to see you

00:52:03.260 challenge her. We learned some incredibly interesting things. For example, the food in Russia is great.

00:52:08.760 You can't beat that borscht. She seems to miss her pets more than her daughter, which I thought was

00:52:17.500 interesting. Look, when you are attending- Definitely not. I know she loves her daughter.

00:52:21.620 She misses her daughter. When you attend a Sputnik event with Maria Butina, who Enquirer,

00:52:31.760 I recall magazine referred to her as the international woman of whoopee, convicted Russian

00:52:39.740 agent. When you're doing all of that, you're claiming that you're there because Biden was

00:52:44.800 going to put you in a cage. What you have done is put yourself in one gigantic cage with wolves at the

00:52:53.500 door. I mean, Russia is one of the most oppressive societies on earth. Their human rights

00:53:01.540 abuses are just egregious. I mean, they put political dissenters in, you know, the gulags. People

00:53:12.240 still disappear in the dark of the night if they dare to voice opposition to Vladimir Putin. You know,

00:53:22.460 look, I've been to Russia. I know what it's all about. It is not the place of refuge. It is a place

00:53:31.520 frankly of evil. Now, look, there's some great parts of Russia that are worth visiting. And as you

00:53:38.940 pointed out, Americans are free to go there. We have American businesses who've set up offices

00:53:43.840 there. You've got more than 100,000 Americans working in Russia and so forth. She's entitled to

00:53:49.760 go there, but applying for citizenship and claiming that she's only there because she'll be put in a cage

00:53:55.420 by Biden in the United States. Sorry, but I don't buy that. That's the thing. So it's like, I feel for

00:54:01.520 Tara Reid and what she's gone through since she came forward as a Biden accuser very much. Yeah. But to

00:54:07.740 then take it to, I'm going to go to this lovely place where they respect human rights as opposed to

00:54:13.680 America, you know, pointing out Maria Boutini was in solitary, confined. Why don't you talk about like

00:54:18.760 Alexei Navalny, who's looking at a year in prison with zero visits from anybody who's been poisoned,

00:54:26.880 you know, he says by Putin, we believe is by the government over there, the torture of citizens

00:54:32.180 over there. We got into the gays. Yes. Now it's technically not illegal to be gay in Russia,

00:54:37.360 but it was just a few years ago. They were trying to cleanse gays from existence in Chechnya.

00:54:43.580 Um, you're not allowed to openly praise homosexuality or describe it as normal over

00:54:49.980 there. We could go down the list of what they do. And not to mention like when I was there,

00:54:55.140 the Russian citizens were saying to me, we can't get outside information. They shut down the websites

00:55:00.300 so we can't. And, and just in the Ukraine war, Greg, they shut down telegram, um, because telegram

00:55:06.780 would not comply with the Russian mandate that it open up all of its user files to the Russians,

00:55:12.960 give them the keys so they could see the private communications of all Russian citizens. I mean,

00:55:17.320 this is the kind of thing they do over there. And she's been there for a week and is kind of saying

00:55:21.720 like, it's so pretty and the food is so good. And I'm, I'm home. Yeah. Wait till she spends a Russian

00:55:28.780 winter. Uh, and you know, she doesn't speak any Russian. Yeah. David Oporuski, maybe that's about all

00:55:35.660 she knows how to ask. Um, I sense that she will pretty quickly come to regret her decision, uh,

00:55:44.700 and likely will reverse course. It can be a very lonely place there, uh, for an individual such

00:55:52.500 as herself, but you know, I, and she's, she's intelligent. I mean, your conversation was in

00:55:58.300 ways interesting. Uh, I held her ground really agree with her when she argues that the Biden

00:56:05.160 administration has weaponized government for political purposes. And we've seen that with

00:56:10.180 the FBI, Merrick Garland's department of justice, the IRS. Um, you know, I think they're running a

00:56:17.060 protection racket for the Biden family. And of course they always have the witting accessories,

00:56:22.340 the mainstream media that is more than willing to do their bidding. So, um, you know, her, her point

00:56:28.520 about that was absolutely valid. But Russia is not the answer. I mean, literally they killed

00:56:35.680 journalists in Russia for reporting the wrong information. They, they lock them up. They don't

00:56:42.300 have free access. I mean, you go over to listen to a Russian press conference and it's truly like

00:56:47.420 Mr. Putin, just as wonderful as we think you are. Are you even more wonderful? Could you tell us

00:56:51.480 about that? That's how Russian state TV is. That's how the Russian press is. It's all controlled by

00:56:55.780 the Kremlin. So, I mean, it's just, I don't, I feel like the odds of Tara read. And of course,

00:57:01.860 I don't want to get ahead of my skis because I have no firsthand information about what context

00:57:06.380 she's had with the Russians, but the odds of the Russians finding this poor single mom who had

00:57:14.820 publicly made allegations of abuse against her first husband. She had to flee. She had to change her name

00:57:19.440 who devoted her life to helping abused women. She's got her cats. She loved her horse and said,

00:57:25.900 oh, she wrote some nice things about Putin in a blog or a book. Let's, let's turn her into an agent.

00:57:31.220 Like how, what, who is she going, what, who is she going to exploit out there in her house in

00:57:37.320 California for information? It's just, it makes no sense to me. What makes more sense

00:57:41.320 is they're taking advantage of a woman who's been all but destroyed by the vicious left and media in

00:57:50.760 this country and preying on her fears to lead her to believe something is afoot at the hands of the

00:57:57.240 U S government. Yeah. I think you put your finger on it as you always do, Meg. And I think that's a

00:58:03.560 pretty fair analysis of what's going on here. And I, you know, I do fear that she's led a troubled life,

00:58:10.760 but she is now being manipulated. Uh, and she doesn't see it. And you tried your best to sort of point it out

00:58:17.980 to her, uh, in a terror, there's some holes in your plan. You said, yeah, some gaping holes as big as a

00:58:26.080 grand Canyon. Um, you know, I, she's just been through it, Greg, you know, this is what the

00:58:30.860 media does. They, they destroy you or she, she, yes. As I pointed out, there were other accusers

00:58:36.640 against Joe Biden. We're all familiar with his weirdness when it comes to young women, but her

00:58:41.680 allegation was much, much more explicit that he stopped her in a, in a Senate hallway. She was

00:58:46.180 trying to give him his gym bag. She was one of his aides that he shoved her up against the wall

00:58:50.180 that he said, come on, man, I heard you like me that he then digitally penetrated her, lifted up her

00:58:55.400 skirt right there in the middle of this Senate, you know, corridor, which is what many people found

00:58:59.620 on unbelievable. I asked her about all of that in our 2020 interview. It's on our YouTube feed.

00:59:04.460 One of the first offerings we had, and, um, she says it happened. And then she said he threatened

00:59:09.520 her. He threatened her at the end of the exchange. So the media turned, she had to be destroyed, Greg,

00:59:15.740 whether she's telling the truth or not, she had to be destroyed. No. And, and we certainly saw that

00:59:21.560 unfold and, and I do, uh, have empathy for her. Um, I have no inside information about the, uh, the,

00:59:30.140 the truth of her accusations, but she was certainly treated different, uh, by the mainstream liberal

00:59:36.540 media, uh, than comparable accusations, uh, toward Donald Trump. Or Christine Blasey Ford.

00:59:43.720 Yeah. And yeah, excellent, uh, uh, point to make. And so, you know, I, I do think she has been

00:59:51.420 victimized in a great many ways and I'm, you know, concerned that she's being victimized yet again

00:59:58.260 in a very different way. Yeah. I want her to come back here. If they try to slap some BS charges on

01:00:04.920 her, the lawyers will handle it. That's the way it's supposed to be done. I don't think she really

01:00:09.060 wants to be a Russian citizen. I think she's gotten herself spun up into a real fear cycle.

01:00:13.720 That's proven very damaging to her and her family. And, you know, I've spoken with friends of hers.

01:00:18.900 I've, I, by the way, her story about Joe Biden was confirmed. She told, I shouldn't say confirmed,

01:00:24.180 but it was, it was repeated as told to them by friends who knew her at the time. And I've spoken

01:00:29.640 with one of them now that was considered dispositive when E Jean Carroll came forward against Trump with

01:00:34.700 that story about Bergdorf Goodman. But in the case of Tara read, no, she's a psycho. She's a Russian

01:00:38.960 operative. And anyway, so I hope she comes back home and people can find it in their hearts to

01:00:44.700 forgive the things, you know, whatever they're holding against her. She doesn't.

01:00:47.780 I hope so too. And I wish her the very, very best. Um, you know, because if you read any profile about

01:00:54.460 her, it's abundantly clear. She's had a very difficult life and you can't help, but have

01:00:59.600 sympathy and empathy for her. So let's talk though, about the broader scope of what she was trying to

01:01:06.980 say, you know, her comments about what's happening right now in America to whistleblowers with our

01:01:12.600 Intel agencies, you know, very extraordinary pushback by the administration on those who

01:01:19.500 are trying to come forward and say things about Hunter Biden, about alleged influence peddling

01:01:24.280 by Biden's family members when he was VP, all of which gets suppressed, mocked by the mainstream media.

01:01:33.780 I mean, it's normally just totally ignored, but to the extent that they cover it, they just mock it.

01:01:37.420 And yet there have emerged some real questions over the past month alone, Greg, about whether

01:01:44.100 there really was an influence peddling scheme going around, at least around the then VP. And that may

01:01:49.620 have actually involved then sitting vice president Joe Biden. Yes. And in fact, the, uh, oversight

01:01:55.640 committee has in the course of four and a half months, dug up more information and made public,

01:02:01.160 uh, than Joe Biden's, uh, department of justice and Christopher Ray's FBI. Um, and that's,

01:02:08.540 I think just the tip of the iceberg, uh, you know, they disclosed $10 million flowing into,

01:02:16.920 you know, some 20 shell companies and LLCs that was then shuffled around throughout a bunch of them and then

01:02:26.600 distributed to, you know, up to nine members of the Biden family. Now the question, there were a lot of

01:02:33.960 questions, you know, what were, what was this company, this country, uh, buying? What was Joe

01:02:41.720 Biden selling? What was Hunter Biden and Jim Biden selling? And, and why were these family members

01:02:48.840 getting this money? You know, as chairman Comer pointed out, uh, there appears to be no other

01:02:54.500 legitimate, uh, purpose for these LLCs than to be a receptacle for truckloads of cash, uh, coming from

01:03:04.580 foreign adversaries. And, you know, I keep laughing every time I see a, uh, you know, television host or

01:03:11.220 a member of the media say, well, you know, it's legal to have an LLC. Sure. It's legal, but if it exists

01:03:18.980 for the purpose of hiding the original source of cash, that's money laundry. And, you know, the other

01:03:27.380 excuse that, that members in the media love to say, well, there's no evidence that Joe Biden, uh, received

01:03:34.500 any cash into his bank account. As you know, you're a fine lawyer, Megan. That's irrelevant under the wall,

01:03:41.640 under the law. It is a crime for a, uh, public servant to misuse his office, to confer a benefit

01:03:50.440 in exchange for money to himself or his family. He doesn't have to receive the cash. If the cash goes

01:03:58.520 to his family members, it's still a crime. It's a violation of the foreign corrupt practices act.

01:04:04.160 It's conspiracy to commit bribery, uh, not to mention the, the fairer violations that are involved,

01:04:11.260 the foreign agents registration act. So these are vacuous excuses, but the media is always ready

01:04:19.000 to offer them up at every turn to protect Joe Biden. The first thing they go to is, okay,

01:04:24.680 no proof about Joe Biden, not a, not a hint about Joe Biden, as opposed to his many family members and

01:04:30.400 no proof that he worked to change policy as VP to help China, to help Romania, these countries that

01:04:37.660 were funneling the money according to these allegations to Biden family members. So, you

01:04:42.480 know, where was the bribery must include a quid pro quo. What were these countries getting? My reaction

01:04:48.960 to that is, well, why let's have an investigation. What, why is it just, there's no proof. Right. Of

01:04:54.880 course there isn't. We were just starting. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Which is why

01:05:00.740 it is so vitally important, uh, that both the oversight and the judiciary committees in the

01:05:06.560 house, uh, which just commenced in January, their investigations, because Republicans, uh,

01:05:13.780 retook control of the house of representatives. Why, why those hearings and investigations are,

01:05:20.020 are so critical. You know, Americans need to know, uh, as Richard Nixon said so famously,

01:05:26.520 is their president a crook. Um, and you know, the house as well as the Senate, they have

01:05:33.100 constitutional authority under their oversight duties to conduct these investigations. They

01:05:40.300 are not a witch hunt. They are an attempt to uncover, uh, more evidence that already exists that

01:05:48.520 the Biden family, particularly Hunter Biden was engaged in the selling out of America. Uh, you know,

01:05:55.840 promises of influence promises of access in exchange for money. And, you know, it's important. I think

01:06:04.540 this confrontation between Christopher Ray and James Gomer over what appears to be a very important

01:06:11.060 document, a document. Let's talk about that. Let's look. I don't know if my audience is up to speed on

01:06:14.860 that, but things are getting very tense between house oversight and the director of the FBI because

01:06:19.980 house oversight said to the FBI director, hand over this document. The document is

01:06:25.840 hard to decipher from where I sit. They haven't released that much info on it. It's called an FD

01:06:31.720 dash 10 23 form, and it is submitted by a confidential informant containing unsubstantiated

01:06:39.140 allegations about president Biden and his family. The FBI has it and the house oversight committee

01:06:46.900 wants to see it. And Christopher Ray has not even been confirming that it exists, that he has one of

01:06:53.940 these confidential informant documents, alleging misdeeds by Joe Biden himself and family. He

01:07:00.580 hasn't been confirming it even exists until now. Now he finally, as the house was zeroing in, pushing

01:07:05.840 him saying, we've given you a subpoena. You answer to us, give us the document. He said, you can come

01:07:11.680 here to review it. So now he's confirmed. It does exist. And the house is saying, that's not good enough.

01:07:16.820 You, you can't make us come there to review it. The FBI is saying that involves a confidential

01:07:21.080 informant. So you got to come here. Otherwise the name could get out. And, uh, FBI or house oversight

01:07:27.160 is saying, no, that's not okay. And we will hold FD FBI director, Christopher Ray in contempt of

01:07:32.100 Congress, Congress, if he does not fork over the document, which at least we now know exists. So

01:07:39.800 what are we supposed to glean from all that? The FBI is taking the position. Trust us.

01:07:45.820 I mean, who with an ounce of intelligence would ever trust the FBI after the evidence of misfeasance

01:07:54.580 and malfeasance that we have seen unfolding over the last several years. Uh, and it's not

01:08:00.840 just the malicious aberrant behavior of the FBI during the Russia hoax, uh, using a phony

01:08:08.880 dossier as a pretext to try to destroy a sitting president of the United States. No, it's more

01:08:14.100 than that. It's the FBI, uh, directing and pressuring social media companies to censor a story,

01:08:20.800 uh, to help Joe Biden get elected and, and it succeeded. And you've got, you know, a whole host

01:08:27.540 of whistleblowers lining up to talk about how the FBI buried incriminating evidence of Biden family

01:08:35.320 influence peddling schemes, put it under lock and key with nobody, uh, able to see it. So, you know,

01:08:42.240 when the FBI says, Oh, we looked into this allegation in the 10 23 form and there's nothing

01:08:47.240 to it. I wouldn't believe Christopher Wray for a moment, uh, that the FBI exercise due diligence

01:08:55.380 in properly investigating. And that's why James Comer and the oversight committee aren't trusting

01:09:00.140 the FBI either. They've squandered trust. Trust is earned. They don't have it anymore. Just look at

01:09:06.100 the polling data. You know, the FBI, uh, has an abysmal approval rating, uh, because Americans are

01:09:13.500 smart and they've seen what they've done. So look right now, uh, there, this is not responsive to

01:09:21.920 the subpoena. There's no legitimate basis to resist. It's an unclassified document. If there's

01:09:27.660 concern about a confidential informant, you can redact the name. Uh, but there are two, two choices

01:09:33.960 here, uh, criminal contempt of Congress or civil contempt of Congress. Uh, if it's criminal,

01:09:40.040 that's problematic because it goes to the U S attorney in DC who reports to Merrick Garland.

01:09:46.640 Uh, and that U S attorney was appointed by Joe Biden, who is the subject of the disputed document.

01:09:53.000 Oh my gosh. And you know, the person who would be held in contempt also reports to Joe Biden and

01:09:58.640 Merrick Garland. Merrick Garland won't do anything about a criminal contempt. So the alternative

01:10:03.620 is civil contempt. The final lawsuit, you go to a federal judge. And if you're lucky and find an

01:10:10.340 impartial one, he might just, well, order Christopher Ray to cough up the document that Congress is

01:10:18.040 entitled to have. Let's talk about this document. Is this the same document that Comer was touting

01:10:24.040 about two weeks ago saying, I've got it. There is a document. It came from a whistleblower who is

01:10:31.840 saying that they might be able to prove bribes that Joe Biden accepted bribes. This is the same

01:10:38.960 document that they're arguing over right now. It is. It is a document. If you could just put it into

01:10:44.380 one sentence, uh, that is based on a reliable confidential informant that the government has

01:10:51.000 used before to the government's benefit. And he says there was an agreement, a bribery agreement,

01:11:01.400 Joe Biden would institute or confer a policy decision in the United States that would benefit

01:11:09.460 this foreign government in exchange for money. As I say, that's bribery. It's also, as you well know,

01:11:18.520 selling out to a foreign government, uh, if it's supported by evidence, that's a big gift. We

01:11:25.360 don't know that granted you, but if it is, it's also an impeachable offense. Remember what that is

01:11:31.540 treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanor. So bribery is a basis for, uh, an impeachment proceeding

01:11:39.060 against the president of the United States, even though the action just took place when he was vice

01:11:43.760 president. Just so I'm sure I'm clear on where this came from. So that, that allegation was

01:11:48.520 a whistleblower. Some whistleblower came forward and said, look at this document. I've got it. I got

01:11:53.740 this document. And this document has information from a confidential informant that allegedly shows

01:11:59.260 a bribery scheme, including the then vice vice president, Joe Biden. And then, then Comer,

01:12:06.640 the head of oversight went on with Maria Bartiromo and she asked him about all of, about this document

01:12:12.840 and so on. And he told her that they could not track down the actual confidential informant that

01:12:19.400 the whistleblower, I think he knows the whistleblower and like the person who turned over the document,

01:12:24.420 but that he couldn't track down the actual confidential informant, making the allegations

01:12:29.160 inside the document and said, look, these guys don't tend to want to, you know, be on the front page

01:12:34.460 or be all that findable because they're operating inside of the Intel world. And then it made all

01:12:41.540 like, then people were mocking Comer, like you lost the confidential informant. You're such a dope.

01:12:46.000 That's not really what happened at all. He's saying, how, how am I supposed to find essentially this

01:12:51.960 spy who's producing the document? I only know from the whistleblower that there is a document and I

01:12:57.720 want to see the document and have the FBI investigate whether any of this is true.

01:13:01.380 which justifies the subpoena, which was duly authorized by Congress. They're, you know,

01:13:08.600 they're entitled to see it. They're entitled to know it. Christopher Wray is essentially saying,

01:13:14.760 well, you can come over here, maybe a handful of people and, you know, we'll put you in a skiff and

01:13:19.820 maybe we'll show, show you the document. I, you know, I'm skeptical of all that, but again,

01:13:25.800 the subpoena is duly authorized. And in my judgment as a lawyer, and I don't know if you'll agree,

01:13:32.760 but you're, you're a great lawyer. Um, you got to comply with the subpoena. You got to, you know,

01:13:37.440 Steve Bannon had to comply with the subpoena was held in criminal contempt when he didn't

01:13:42.300 and was prosecuted for it. So, you know, you can't have it both ways that it's only enforceable

01:13:49.340 against a Republican, but not, uh, you know, against, uh, you know, a Democrat or somebody

01:13:54.940 that Democrats embrace. Now she, Maria was asking him about, well, I mean, you could,

01:14:02.360 you could bring forth maybe the whistleblower, you could do something. And Comer had some thoughts on

01:14:07.380 what's been happening to whistleblowers right now, coming forward with allegations against Joe Biden

01:14:13.380 or top officials in the administration or Joe Biden's family, what have you, because we have a

01:14:17.980 whole separate investigation into Hunter Biden and his alleged crimes when it comes to taxes,

01:14:23.080 when it comes to guns, et cetera. And there've been whistleblowers there who are saying that

01:14:28.760 they're slow rolling the investigation into Hunter on those. So we have a bunch of whistleblowers and

01:14:33.700 there was an interesting exchange. And this is kind of what Tara Reid was talking about and what's

01:14:38.800 happening to the many whistleblowers. Listen to this. Nine of the 10 people, uh, that we've

01:14:45.180 identified that have very good knowledge with respect to the Bidens. They're, they're one of

01:14:50.400 three things, Maria. They're either currently in court, they're currently in jail, or they're currently

01:14:57.780 missing. So it's of the utmost importance that the FBI work with us to be able to try to identify,

01:15:05.000 uh, what research they've done, what investigations they've done, because we have people that want to

01:15:10.780 come forward. But honestly, Maria, they fear for their lives. I'm sorry, but that does go back to

01:15:16.840 what Tara Reid was saying, that she sees herself as a whistleblower, that she doesn't trust this

01:15:22.320 administration and she doesn't want to be in one of those three categories he just listed.

01:15:26.480 Look, James, James Comer knows a whole lot more than he's disclosing. And in fact, said so last

01:15:33.740 night on our air. Um, I suspect he has a pretty good idea of, uh, you know, who the confidential

01:15:42.160 informant is, but he is worried about, uh, you know, the backlash, the punishment, uh, the retaliation

01:15:52.960 that many of these whistleblowers have faced. And, you know, all you have to do is look at the FBI

01:15:58.380 whistleblower who came forward and he is, and his entire team that was investigating for years, uh,

01:16:07.060 the Hunter Biden IRS case, failure to pay taxes, tax fraud. Um, they were removed from the investigation

01:16:14.820 after he blew the whistle and said, the department of justice, Joe Biden's team, uh, was interfering

01:16:22.940 and exercising political favoritism and slow walking an investigation that has now, uh, gone on for

01:16:31.020 more than five years. So, I mean, it's self-evident that it's been slow walked, right? I mean, how do

01:16:36.580 you explain a five year long investor investigation of Hunter Biden and his influence peddling and his

01:16:44.140 tax fraud and so forth, uh, in the face of, uh, of overwhelming evidence on his laptop alone

01:16:52.120 and no criminal charges have been brought, you know, charges against people, uh, who broke the

01:16:59.420 law on January 6th, uh, were, were brought very quickly. Somebody on our air last night said, you

01:17:05.380 know, so quickly, in fact, that some of them have already been convicted and served time and been

01:17:11.120 released. Right. And yet Hunter Biden, nothing, absolutely nothing. So I will say for the record

01:17:17.800 that, uh, again, uh, Kirby, uh, responding to questions about Biden corruption weighed in.

01:17:24.100 This is what he said. There was a Harvard Harris poll this month that found that 53% of the public,

01:17:30.140 including a fourth of Democrats believe quote, Joe Biden was involved with his son in an, in an

01:17:36.000 illegal influence peddling scheme. Uh, there's of course evidence that the president interacted with

01:17:40.820 his relatives, associates from China, uh, Mexico, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Ukraine. Uh, so what do you

01:17:46.440 say to the majority of Americans who believe that the president is himself corrupt? Wow.

01:17:55.980 Can I take that question? President, the president, the president's spoken to this,

01:18:01.360 uh, the president has spoken to this, uh, and there's nothing to these claims.

01:18:07.120 How does he know? How does he know? And can, can you believe the snickering by the White House press

01:18:11.760 core? Yeah, of course, you know, uh, they're on Joe Biden's side. Uh, they are, as I described

01:18:18.100 earlier in our discussion, winning accessories to the coverup and the protection racket that's being

01:18:23.980 run. Um, Joe Biden is already, there's nothing to it. He's already spoken about it. Joe Biden has

01:18:31.680 consistently said that he, uh, knew nothing about his son's business deals overseas and was not

01:18:39.940 involved. Really? White House records during the Obama administration show that more than 80 of

01:18:47.020 Hunter Biden's business partners and overseas clients had meetings with Joe Biden at the White

01:18:54.800 House. There are photographs, there are other, you know, records, uh, that demonstrate that, that

01:19:01.080 Joe Biden, the big guy was not just involved. He was the cornerstone. He was the pivot point.

01:19:09.600 For these influence peddling schemes. And it, you know, it's ludicrous to claim otherwise. And yet,

01:19:17.580 you know, I saw an interview on MSNBC the other night and questioning, you know, Joe Biden, it was a

01:19:23.500 sit down. And of course you had nothing whatsoever to do with any of that. Uh, the, the host said,

01:19:29.940 you know, I just laugh that, I mean, all you can do is, is laugh. They are so in the pocket of the

01:19:37.700 Democratic party and Joe Biden that, you know, they just do his dirty work for him.

01:19:44.200 Okay. Now we have agreed that when one receives a subpoena, unless one has valid legal objections

01:19:50.460 that are registered by a lawyer in response, it said, cabina said, subpoena, one must respond

01:19:56.120 and comply. And this is what Trump is accused of not doing in connection with the feds probe into

01:20:03.500 documents. He took with him from the white house and kept at Mar-a-Lago. There's news on that today

01:20:08.160 as well. Um, the, the media is hyperventilating over an alleged tape that they say Trump is on that

01:20:16.840 they admit they haven't heard, but on this tape reports, CNN reports, the New York times reports,

01:20:23.000 the Washington post is allegedly Trump in 2021, discussing a sensitive military document he kept

01:20:32.180 after leaving the white house. They say, again, having not heard the recording, but they report

01:20:36.480 that Trump suggested on the recording, he knew the document was secret and that it admits that he had

01:20:42.960 not declassified it. Uh, they say this was held. This was, this happened during a meeting he held

01:20:48.580 in July, 2021 with people helping his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, write a memoir of his 10

01:20:54.360 months in the white house. They met Meadows wasn't there, but Trump reportedly began railing about the

01:20:59.220 chairman of the joint chiefs, Mark Milley, and then began referencing a document he had with him saying

01:21:04.000 it had been compiled by Milley and was really related to attacking Iran on the recording.

01:21:09.580 Allegedly Trump's comments suggest he would like to share the info, but he is aware of limitations on

01:21:15.120 his ability post presidency to declassify records, which they are suggesting is an admission that that

01:21:24.600 document and presumably the others from which it came in the trove at Mar-a-Lago had not been

01:21:29.500 declassified by Trump as he now claims in excusing his behavior and connection with this. And aha,

01:21:35.300 this is the gotcha moment. You've got, um, certain, um, certain, um, legal experts like former Mueller

01:21:43.420 probe investigator, Andrew Weissman saying, if this is true, the game is over. There is no way

01:21:49.720 he will not be charged. Do you agree? Uh, I never agree with anything that comes out of the mouth of

01:21:57.140 Andrew Weissman, who is a hyper partisan. And to me, one of the most unscrupulous and unprincipled

01:22:03.980 lawyers I've ever witnessed, he was leading up, uh, you know, the, the Mueller witch hunt. Um, look,

01:22:13.600 as for the tape itself, I, I reserve judgment and I am skeptical. Why? Uh, because this is the same

01:22:23.000 media that spent three years promising us that Trump, uh, was a Russian agent who colluded, uh,

01:22:32.020 you know, with Vladimir Putin in the bowels of the Kremlin. And of course it all turned out to be,

01:22:37.860 uh, wrong, but you know, the New York times, the Washington post won Pulitzer prizes for getting

01:22:43.340 the story fundamentally wrong. While those of us who wrote, uh, books like the Russia hoax and witch hunt

01:22:50.140 were mocked, ridiculed and demeaned and, and declared liars by the mainstream media. Well,

01:22:56.960 it turned out everything in both my books were a hundred percent correct. Somebody sent me a message

01:23:02.420 the other day. We could have saved a lot of time and money if John Durham had simply reprinted your

01:23:07.340 books. Um, you know, the, so I, I'm not sure that I trust the context of an alleged tape and what is

01:23:17.820 contained therein. Moreover, uh, Trump's position has always been that he is authorized to take

01:23:26.580 whatever he wants under the presidential records act, which is a civil, not a criminal statute.

01:23:33.760 And indeed that was the position for the last 10 years until the Mar-a-Lago raid of the department

01:23:42.260 of justice established in the bill Clinton case, uh, in which he took, well, that's why they like

01:23:47.700 this alleged admission that they, that he's allegedly admitting. I don't actually believe

01:23:52.880 that I don't have the ability to declassify post-presidency, which is another alleged admission

01:23:58.100 that he didn't do it while president. But I'll tell you something, Greg, when I look at this,

01:24:02.580 I like, you want to see the action here, the actual tape. Um, but what does it mean? So it could be a,

01:24:08.120 maybe he forgot, maybe he forgot that he had issued a declassification order on something like

01:24:12.000 this. I don't know where the document came from. Did it come from those same Mar-a-Lago files

01:24:15.480 or someplace else? And secondly, um, how do we know Trump just didn't want to show him the document?

01:24:21.360 So he was just like, Oh, I can't show that to you. It's, it's classified. Like how, who the hell,

01:24:25.520 I don't know if this, if this is an admission or a manipulation by Trump to sort of dangle

01:24:29.160 something sexy and exciting in front of the minions around him, but say, I'm not showing it to

01:24:33.840 you losers. Right. Who the hell knows? You've got to know the context. Did you say Megan? Um,

01:24:40.200 you got to know who's there, why are they having this discussion? What's the purpose of it? Um,

01:24:46.200 and you know, if you've ever spent any time around Donald Trump, you know, in casual conversation,

01:24:51.640 he's very loose with his words and free with his thoughts. And, uh, you know, I, I'm concerned that

01:24:59.740 the reporting so far on this, um, is based on no knowledge of the context and the intent behind the

01:25:09.060 words spoken. And that's critical, you know, in, in criminal law, as you well know, uh, you know,

01:25:15.320 it's intent and deliberation and willfulness and so forth that are key to things like that.

01:25:20.620 Well, the other question is how, how, how did, how did the Washington post and the New York times

01:25:24.300 and CNN, how do they have it? Where'd they get it? Where'd they, where'd they get this tape?

01:25:27.760 Like his Trump's lawyer, uh, was spoke out last night on CNN and kind of raised that point. Take a

01:25:34.540 listen. You won't even say whether this document was declassified. And in fact, there is a tape that

01:25:40.420 your client has said that the document is still classified. So you can make that argument, but

01:25:46.120 only if you are also trying to establish that this document is declassified. No, I, I am not going to

01:25:52.420 sit here and dignify leaks that are incomplete, that are unfair and that are dishonest. This is a leak

01:25:58.860 campaign. And you guys have the access to somebody from DOJ or FBI. You're touting the official line

01:26:04.880 that they want you to pursue because they want to legitimize something that was never criminal.

01:26:09.760 And for no other president has there ever been a document retention issue that's been treated as a

01:26:15.040 criminal investigation. DOJ is trying to justify this persecution of the current administration's

01:26:20.940 leading opposition by saying, Oh my God, he had these sensitive materials that he shouldn't have had.

01:26:26.340 And then they leaked to you guys vivid details of a document that they say is classified.

01:26:32.440 Remember when Merrick Garland, after the Mar-a-Lago raid was like, we don't leak, you know,

01:26:37.960 trying to protect the integrity of the justice department as stories about what was in the

01:26:42.540 documents kept popping up in the Washington post and the New York times. And here we are again.

01:26:48.020 Yeah. I mean, Jim trustee is a fine lawyer was making the same argument I was alluding to a moment

01:26:53.120 ago. You know, the Department of Justice in the Bill Clinton case went to federal court and a judge

01:26:59.860 agreed with their arguments that, you know, a former president can pretty much take whatever he wants.

01:27:05.420 The other thing you have to understand is that Trump didn't pack up the boxes and send them off

01:27:11.780 to Mar-a-Lago. He's actually under law, not allowed to. That is a service by law performed by the

01:27:18.280 Government Services Administration, which is the GSA. And they're an incompetent agency to decide

01:27:26.600 what's classified, what's not, what goes where. And that's the reason, Megan, why, you know, we've seen

01:27:33.640 so many other, you know, wayward papers end up in locations where they likely shouldn't be, whether

01:27:41.480 it's, you know, Joe Biden in four different locations, whether it's Mike Pence. We saw it in

01:27:47.320 the Bill Clinton case, Barack Obama, apparently. You know, that is a system that needs to be fixed.

01:27:54.640 But the overriding point here is that Merrick Garland decided he was going to criminalize a civil

01:28:00.820 statute, the Presidential Records Act. The property, proper remedy under the law is if you're not getting

01:28:08.020 documents you want under a subpoena, you go to a civil judge and you file a motion to compel

01:28:14.220 production of the documents. You don't turn around and send a phalanx of armed FBI agents under a

01:28:23.100 warrant that was overly broad to a former president's house to seize the documents. And there were people

01:28:31.600 reportedly at the FBI, top officials, who told Garland, you really can't do this. He offered to give us

01:28:37.280 everything we want. All we have to do is go back there and take them. But that foiled Garland's

01:28:42.820 plan. He wanted to criminalize a civil violation. This is so much sexier. And, you know, the Democrats

01:28:50.240 think it's their ace in the hole, this investigation and the other criminal investigations that they're

01:28:55.460 launching against him right now. All right. Stand by. More with Greg Jarrett coming up, including his

01:29:00.740 new book, The Trial of the Century. I love this. And Greg will tell us who his very favorite lawyer of

01:29:08.160 all time is and how he would be looking at some of the biggest legal issues we're debating right now

01:29:13.700 in this country. Here with me today, longtime Fox News host and legal analyst and friend, Greg Jarrett.

01:29:23.540 Greg's out with a new book titled The Trial of the Century. It's a book about a trial that lasted only a week

01:29:28.860 back in the 1920s, but still has wide ranging implications today. Before I ask you about Trial

01:29:34.380 of the Century, can I ask you about a dispute that's unfolding right now on Twitter that

01:29:38.760 it's getting a lot of conservatives upset and concerned? It's between The Daily Wire and Elon Musk.

01:29:45.520 And tonight, The Daily Wire, they struck a deal with Twitter to air Matt Walsh's What is a Woman?

01:29:50.940 It was going to air on Twitter. They were going to offer for free. Normally, you have to subscribe to The

01:29:54.260 Daily Wire to get it. They're going to offer for free. And they paid Twitter, I guess, for this

01:29:58.940 opportunity. And then, according to Jeremy Boring, who's CEO of Daily Wire, they were told, nope,

01:30:04.780 never mind, because there's two instances in this movie in which someone is, quote, misgendered.

01:30:09.480 And that just means you refer to a trans person by their original, you know, their actual gender,

01:30:15.320 not the ones they claim to have adopted. That is crazy to me. I can't believe Elon himself knows

01:30:21.860 about this and is allowing it because he bought Twitter in part to resurrect the Babylon Bee

01:30:28.940 account, which had been suppressed for tweeting out Rachel Levine, that Biden administration trans

01:30:33.640 person, is a man. So how can it be that? What do you make of this? Because conservatives are freaking

01:30:40.060 out that Elon is not running the ship the way they thought. Yeah, well, my idol, Clarence Darrow,

01:30:47.640 would be outraged. He cared more about free speech than any other individual right in America.

01:30:55.060 And Elon Musk has arguably betrayed the free speech principles upon which he, you know, decided to

01:31:05.420 buy Twitter because it was being abused. Conservatives were being shadow banned. There was wholesale censorship,

01:31:12.100 suppression, uh, silencing of dissent and so forth. And they bought it to turn around and change it and

01:31:18.440 make it a venue for the free exchange of ideas and information. So if Walsh's accusations are true,

01:31:27.440 then he's violated the very principles that he was advocating. Now, I agree with you. I'm not sure Elon

01:31:34.500 Musk hadn't knew anything about it. And, you know, he may be unfairly tarnished and feathered here,

01:31:41.320 uh, without an opportunity to properly respond and look into it. And I hope he does, because I do think

01:31:48.640 that Twitter has a golden opportunity, uh, to adhere to the principles of free speech.

01:31:53.720 If you can't refer to a trans person by the pronoun that captures their actual biological gender,

01:32:02.480 we've crossed a bizarre and troubling Rubicon on Twitter. I have to believe he's off focused on

01:32:07.860 Tesla today or SpaceX, whatever, you know, like the rockets he's got, like, there's just no way

01:32:13.460 that Elon knows about this. I just can't believe it. But Twitter right now is saying to the daily

01:32:17.140 wire, all right, you can air it, but we're not going to support it. We're going to suppress it.

01:32:20.580 We're not going to, even your supporters who follow you, your followers won't be able to see

01:32:24.560 it. So what is that? Anyway, more, more to follow on this tomorrow as we see what actually

01:32:29.420 happens. All right. Let's talk about the book trial of the century and Clarence Darrow. I remember

01:32:35.260 growing up, if I had an argument with my Nana, she'd say, who are you Clarence Darrow? What do you

01:32:39.580 think you are Clarence? And there's a reason his name is the equivalent with the standard for great

01:32:46.320 lawyering. It's captured in this book. Yeah. You know, I was a young teenager when on a summer

01:32:53.240 day, I plucked a book off my father's densely packed bookshelf. And it was a biography on the

01:33:02.700 great Clarence Darrow, who I'd never heard of. And, you know, I sat down, I started reading it. The

01:33:09.120 more I read, the more fascinated I became. And it was 520 pages by the great writer Irving Stone.

01:33:17.260 And as soon as I finished the 520 pages, I turned back to the beginning and started

01:33:23.160 all over again. I've revisited that book throughout my life. So I guess you could say

01:33:29.560 this trial of the century, my new book, is more than 50 years in the making. At the, towards the

01:33:37.740 end of the biography, there was a chapter on the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925 Dayton, Tennessee. It

01:33:44.800 was actually Darrow's most famous trial of the many famous trials that he had. And it told the story of

01:33:54.300 how in the 1920s, the religious fervor sort of swept the nation and they began banning books in

01:34:02.200 science, particularly evolution. And the state of Tennessee took it a step further and made it a crime

01:34:07.460 for a school teacher to utter the word evolution in a classroom, even though there was a subchapter

01:34:13.920 on evolution in the state-approved textbooks. There's a picture of 25-year-old John Scopes,

01:34:21.380 school teacher. He was promptly arrested, handcuffed, taken away, and criminally charged

01:34:28.440 with teaching evolution. And the great fundamentalist leader, William Jennings Bryan,

01:34:33.640 three-time presidential candidate who had helped pass the law, was so happy about it. He volunteered

01:34:40.380 to prosecute and convict Scopes. That incensed Clarence Darrow as he's sitting in his Chicago office.

01:34:47.600 And he volunteers to, for free, defend John Scopes in what became a trial of the century. A

01:34:57.140 titanic clash. There they are together at the beginning of the trial, sitting in the courtroom,

01:35:02.620 Darrow and Bryan, this titanic clash between two epic figures in American culture in the 1920s.

01:35:10.260 Both lawyers, both poetic orators. And the climactic moment in the trial came when Darrow

01:35:18.860 realized he's losing. He's got a biased judge, a biased juror. And he decides to call Bryan,

01:35:26.720 the prosecutor, to the witness stand. And the judge said, wait a minute, you can't do that.

01:35:31.100 He's the prosecutor. Bryan stands up and says, Your Honor, I have nothing to fear. I'm happy to testify

01:35:39.020 as an expert on the Bible that everything in it should be taken literally. So the judge says,

01:35:46.440 well, okay, but there are too many people in this courtroom. People are fainting

01:35:50.220 because of the heat. I'm fearful that the courtroom is going to collapse onto the first floor.

01:35:56.260 So he moves the trial outdoors to a stage left over from July 4th activities. And you can see,

01:36:04.220 I printed 38 photographs from the trial in the book, 1925, thousands of people standing out on

01:36:12.640 the lawn in front of the courthouse. They are listening to this withering cross-examination

01:36:19.520 by Clarence Darrow, who utterly destroyed William Jennings Bryan. The crowd, of course,

01:36:25.480 they were all Bryan supporters. By the end, by the time the gavel bangs down, the crowd is

01:36:33.180 surrounding Clarence Darrow and congratulating him. They've changed their opinion. And Darrow looks

01:36:39.980 back and there he sees Bryan, a solitary figure standing alone, not a friend in the world,

01:36:45.480 utterly broken. Days later, Bryan lays down for a nap and he never wakes up. It's an incredible story.

01:36:52.900 The New York Times at the time described it as the most amazing court scene in Anglo-Saxon history.

01:37:00.880 It was the trial of the century then, and it still is now, Megan.

01:37:05.900 I only have a short time left, Greg, but how do you think Clarence Darrow would see some of these

01:37:10.640 issues that we're debating right now in this country, like the bans on critical race theory in

01:37:16.580 school rooms and some of the stuff that DeSantis, who's anti-wokeness, I support. But there's a

01:37:22.100 question about whether he's gone too far in trying to shut down this kind of speech.

01:37:27.760 I talk a lot about it in the book, especially the epilogue. Darrow would fight against the

01:37:32.960 partisan censorship and political discourse, the polarizing disinformation campaigns,

01:37:39.860 classroom indoctrination, the punitive cancel culture whereby conformity of thought now supplants

01:37:48.260 robust debate in America. He would wage war against all of that. And you know what?

01:37:54.800 My idol, Clarence Darrow, would win.

01:37:58.260 Hmm. You think that Darrow would be against the forced indoctrination of our children with messages

01:38:06.100 about our country, how awful it is and all the rest. How do you think he'd view the pushback?

01:38:11.960 You know, this is something I've been divided on myself. Do we ban CRT because it's so pernicious

01:38:16.440 and it's racist? Or do we let the teachers teach it and just leave it up to the parents to

01:38:23.080 counterbalance? You know, I feel like Darrow wouldn't want just one side. America's terrible

01:38:28.260 being forced on children. But what do you support the bans, do you think?

01:38:33.620 Well, the problem is that there are disparate versions of critical race theory being taught

01:38:39.000 in America. The more benign aspect of it teaches that, you know, we have to give lesson plans and

01:38:47.800 our history books have to properly account for the shameful legacy of slavery and racism and

01:38:53.520 segregation and Jim Crow laws and white supremacy. We cannot sanitize that. And Darrow would agree with

01:39:00.200 that. But there are other aspects that are more extreme, such as, and I cite these in the book,

01:39:06.100 specific examples where students are being told that they fall into one of two groups based on

01:39:12.920 the color of their skin, oppressors and the oppressed. And thus classrooms have become in

01:39:19.340 some places venues of guilt and shame. Darrow would say that is fundamentally wrong. He would argue

01:39:27.300 against it. Along the way, he would seek common ground because that's what Darrow always did.

01:39:34.020 But paramount would be free speech, the indispensable proposition that no one should be told how to

01:39:42.440 think. His personality jumps off of these pages. Thanks to you. The stories about him make you fall

01:39:50.540 in love with the guy in the way Greg Jarrett has. One of the things you write about him is as follows.

01:39:56.260 I also found in Darrow the same human frailties and foibles that afflict us all. I identified with

01:40:02.000 his flaws and failures just as I struggled with my own. And you write that despite devastating defeats

01:40:08.560 that led to bouts of disillusion and anguish, Darrow persevered. Over time, he evolved into a

01:40:13.920 heroic figure. That leads me to a story I've been dying to talk to you about. And that is what you've

01:40:20.200 said publicly about Roger Ailes. I've been talking to him about talking to him, talking about him on the

01:40:25.500 show quite a bit lately because of what's happening at Fox and all that. But I have been quick to point

01:40:33.080 out that despite Roger's flaws, which have been, of course, well documented, the man obviously was a

01:40:40.920 genius, but he also had a huge heart. And your story that you've spoken about publicly is one of

01:40:47.760 the ones that's always stayed with me about the goodness of Roger Ailes and how he was such a

01:40:54.300 complicated figure. And I wonder if you'd be willing to talk about it here.

01:40:59.460 Well, I've only talked about it once before publicly, but it's well known. I am an alcoholic.

01:41:07.960 I've been sober now for nine years and Roger saved my life together with the love and support of my two

01:41:13.420 daughters and my wife whom I adore. But Roger could have given up. What people don't know is you

01:41:20.780 contacted Roger and said, you need to help Greg. And Roger was already doing that. And then you,

01:41:30.620 I was away for three months at the Betty Ford Center getting the treatment I so desperately needed.

01:41:36.720 And you sent me the kindest letter I've ever received. You took the time and longhand to send me a

01:41:42.720 letter, which I still have. And that lifted my spirits and sustained me, uh, in my recovery

01:41:51.960 process. And, uh, it was really one of the kindest acts anybody has ever conferred on me and God bless

01:42:00.100 you for doing that. I still have your letter and I will keep it always. I'm so touched by that. No,

01:42:06.680 I don't want to make it about me. Like I know, but people should know how thoughtful and kind and

01:42:13.860 generous you are. And, and, you know, Daryl cared about humanity and charity and decency. Those were

01:42:22.920 the principles he embraced. I didn't care that he was a liberal or agnostic. I'm neither one.

01:42:29.340 And it was his values, uh, that mattered to me and it animated my own. And, you know,

01:42:39.180 in many ways, you're just like Daryl, Daryl, you care about people, Megan.

01:42:44.320 Oh, well, you know what? I, it takes one to know one, Greg, you were always so kind to me at Fox

01:42:49.320 through everything thick and thin. And the story with Roger really embodied, I think why a lot of us

01:42:55.020 enjoyed working there for so long and enjoyed working for him, you know, warts and all, um,

01:43:00.620 because when you fell down, he was there. He viewed it as a, we problem, not as a, you problem.

01:43:08.360 Right. And there's just so few bosses like that out there today. There's so few who would see

01:43:14.000 somebody who was faltering and arguably embarrassing the channel and say, let me help. Let's tackle this

01:43:23.460 together as opposed to you're done 10 foot pole between us. And now having had, you know, other

01:43:29.120 bosses past Roger, uh, I see it all in an especially appreciative way. Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know,

01:43:37.320 he, he called up my wife and said, don't worry about a thing. The checks will keep coming. We're

01:43:42.600 not going to pull the financial rug out from under you and your two lovely daughters. Um, Roger's wife,

01:43:48.860 Elizabeth, uh, you know, said, would you like me to come over and sit with you? You know,

01:43:54.260 these, these are the same Christian values that it, that Clarence Darrell embraced, albeit as an

01:44:00.740 agnostic. And, uh, yeah, you gotta, you gotta love somebody like that. Yeah, I know it's complicated.

01:44:09.180 You know, we take the measure of a man, not by his lowest moment, um, but by the, the lifetime

01:44:15.320 contributions to this earth, to our country and so on. And I want people to remember that about him

01:44:20.280 and about all of us, hopefully, uh, you and me included. I'm so glad to have you here and see

01:44:25.820 you looking so well and doing so well. Thank you. Good luck with the book. Thank you. Trial of the

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01:44:36.620 in the book and your willingness to talk about it. I'll come back anytime. It's great to see you,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 01, 2023

Tara Reade Reveals What Led Her To Russia, and Biden Influence Peddling Revelations and More, with Gregg Jarrett ｜ Ep. 563

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