00:03:22.540And that they're outside right now, like fabricating the castle that they are reportedly building for inside MSG, where she's going to walk down the aisle.
00:04:21.700It's like we're saying it's a lavender marriage.
00:04:23.300I'm not saying it is, but like and so some might say some might say.
00:04:27.880Now, I've been I used to I was of the belief that this was an enormous distraction technique, like a side to me, too, like a CIA level side.
00:04:36.160Yes. Everybody look over here and then we're going to go because, you know, I've been thinking about during this whole thing is JFK Jr.
00:04:42.620and Carolyn Bissette. Yeah. Snuck off, got married on a remote island.
00:04:46.520Nobody knew till it was over. South Carolina.
00:04:49.840Cumberland Island off the coast of Georgia. OK. Right. Yeah. All right.
00:04:53.960These two, when this divorce happens, this spectacular divorce happens.
00:04:59.240We're already going to the place that hurts.
00:15:59.900And her whole book is about basically what a bastard he is and how he abandoned her financially and she had to worry about losing their house.
00:16:06.340And we knew from the book she was privileged.
00:16:08.360But we find out now, clearly, thanks to the husband, that she had sixty three million dollars in trusts.
00:16:18.220She was never on in the knocking on the door of the poorhouse.
00:16:23.360She is descended from standard oil money.
00:16:26.700She has many, many famous ancestors, I believe, including like founding fathers.
00:16:32.420The nerve got a hot tip from someone on the inside.
00:18:08.080And she's never had a successful relationship.
00:18:10.560Like every single relationship has ended in some sort of a disaster that's turned into a song in which she berates the guy for mistreating her.
00:18:18.500It's like a series of failures where she's bitter.
00:18:22.540I don't know what his history is, but my own feeling is she's too big a star and he's used to being King B.
00:18:31.760Like, I know that they've been dating for a while,
00:23:37.340obviously we want the ice please like it goes without saying if you can see that i'm american
00:23:42.260you know i want it um well anyway so you think that as a result it's gonna last or he's not gonna
00:23:48.780he'll be happy in the marriage because he's getting her fame has lifted him and he's
00:23:54.320benefiting so much from it yeah i think for now everything's great uh kelsey inc is running on
00:24:01.660all cylinders everybody's getting rich and famous and we're loving it and i think eventually listen
00:24:08.880i think taylor swift is a malignant narcissist yeah only a malignant narcissist mounts her
00:24:14.100wedding at msg yeah tracks msg now we're getting the reports of all the celebrities who are arriving
00:24:20.480in new york today i guess reportedly the the rehearsal dinner is tonight and the wedding's
00:24:25.400tomorrow right it's not on the fourth the wedding's tomorrow the third tomorrow night
00:24:28.700the third right yeah and um i know there's like dual lip lipa and i know a bunch of people from
00:24:35.160across the pond i don't know is there any chance we're being head fake maureen and like all of
00:24:40.700this is bullshit and they're going to be heading off to like some island like jfk jr the only thing
00:24:45.900i can think that might be a head fake is um i think they might already be legally married
00:24:50.160secretly legally married and then this is just like scratching her enormous uh showbiz itch
00:24:58.040like which it's it's it listen that whatever chasm exists within her will never be filled
00:25:03.760yeah that's true it will like it will like what kind of hole do you have inside of you
00:25:09.280where you need to stage your wedding at madison square garden it's like laughable it's truly
00:25:15.560laughable it's true maybe that's why she was at the knicks game she was doing research for her
00:25:19.280wedding yeah i i think that the floral like the floral arrangements can you i can't wait to see
00:25:25.460the inside of this thing. I can't. I can't either. I mean, like a lavender castle. I mean, I suppose
00:25:29.900this really is a dream for a lot of women. This is the last thing I would want for my own
00:25:33.240nuptials. The last thing, though we did get married at a castle. We did. Yeah. We got married
00:25:38.000at Ohika Castle out in Long Huntington, Long Island, which is spectacular, but it was, it was
00:25:43.000very classy. We had to get married outside of a church because I didn't have my marriage annulled.
00:25:48.120It's an ongoing thing. Um, and we, it was spectacular there. We got married in this
00:25:52.920ballroom that has fireplaces at both ends. It was March 1st. We had all a cherry blossom set
00:25:58.780had just started, but it was snowing outside. Maureen was so beautiful. Um, and we kept as
00:26:05.100small as like 125, around 130 people. And it was the most romantic day of my life by far.
00:26:10.900Oh, that's wonderful. Spectacular. But it was with that number of people, it was truly friends.
00:26:15.460We didn't go for like a thousand or 2000 or MSG. It's like, we kept it intimate to people who
00:26:21.340actually we were connected to and who are connected to us right unlike you know megan
00:26:25.780markle like you know inviting oprah and george clooney and celebrities she had never before
00:26:30.580or lauren sanchez it's like what is sydney sweeney doing there it was some amazon deal remember oh
00:26:37.460right and bezos owns amazon of course it was like she's not a friend why is she and tom brady yeah
00:26:42.820okay he's not a friend either these are lies these people just want to feel connected to celebrity
00:26:47.020Exactly. And it's such a, to me, it's such a like desecration of what that day and that moment should really be about. Like, so, um, I, I'm, I'm, listen, I'm, I appreciate the spectacle. I appreciate the comedy and, um, I'm very much looking for like, what does she do after this? What's the come down? Do you know what I mean? Like that baby, baby Kelsey's going to be the biggest news to hit the press in what? 15 years.
00:27:13.480does taylor quote-unquote ruin her body by carrying her own child she will she's from the
00:27:18.920south she's like she's a traditional gal at heart i think she's right she's from tennessee
00:27:23.320a tennessee girl christmas farm originally pennsylvania oh yeah that girl does not get
00:27:28.840the surrogate to carry her baby really i don't think so and then taylor's not known for her
00:27:33.500incredible body you know it's not like a megan fox situation where it's like
00:27:37.840you think of her that that other one arena who's constantly now talking about her sex i don't know
00:27:43.360but like, I think she'll have her own baby. Interesting. I think so. I like everyone
00:27:48.060should have their own baby. It's so crazy that that's become a vanity trend. Have your own damn
00:27:52.160baby. Like, what are you saying? You're going to farm out that? Well, some women actually can't.
00:27:57.820So, you know, you get, I get it, but I, I, I don't know. I think of someone of like her who's so
00:28:02.520vain. She's so vain. Like what drives me nuts is seeing her at all these games. And she, again,
00:28:08.800And she's like a teenage girl with like she'll wear the letterman's jacket, but it's like off the shoulder.
00:28:14.600So you have to be like sexy and like her like her pal, Blake.
00:28:18.760I was just going to say who's not on the list.
00:28:58.440I love how, like, and the other thing that this wedding is doing for Taylor is we're
00:29:02.520not discussing anymore her active role in trying to destroy Justin Baldoni, which I
00:29:07.820will never forget taylor's yes exactly yes i know she was a participant in all of that active
00:29:13.000participant she's a mean mean piece of work and and blake it just comes out today yesterday is
00:29:20.780still working on destroying him they she had to actually submit her demand what what specifically
00:29:26.760is the demand for legal fees that you are technically entitled to under this california
00:29:31.360law that the court is using. And she says she wants him to pay $8 million on her legal fees
00:29:40.000just to defeat his defamation claim against her. So she sued him. She smeared him. She made up all
00:29:48.140these lies about him. He filed a counterclaim for defamation saying these are defamatory lies.
00:29:54.480she managed to get it dismissed on the papers and thanks to this California law that it's weird but
00:30:02.600whatever it protects alleged sexual assault or and harassment victims she's entitled to her fees
00:30:07.720and she's claiming just to get his counterclaim dismissed cost her eight million dollars in legal
00:30:14.780fees that is so outrageous that no no one's if if she actually spent that she's insane she's not
00:30:21.580title. You can get your reasonable fees paid to you. But to the end, she's punitive. She's
00:30:26.740punishing. I guarantee you, Justin Baldoni doesn't have eight million dollars. You know who does?
00:30:31.240Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. You can put probably another two zeros after that eight
00:30:35.740when you look at their fortune, thanks to him. I really don't. I don't understand what she's
00:30:41.200doing here. I don't. I don't understand why she's dragging this narrative out.
00:30:44.600Does this help her? Is this going to make people like her more?
00:30:47.100No. And, and, and what's fascinating is she and Ryan are in such a weird bubble. Like they're all over Instagram posing these like happy, you know, and they're going to do it this weekend too. Like they're going to be happier than ever that they weren't invited to the wedding of the century. You know, they're going to be having the time of their lives, you know, and it's such bullshit and we all know it. We know who these people are.
00:31:10.160Yeah. You know, they're awful, awful, miserable, rage filled human. I mean, talk about like, again, having a chasm that nothing will fill. No amount of fame, no amount of money, no amount of success. They you know, they have four children. You would think they would just be happy with their lot in life.
00:31:27.020She had to be a Me Too victim. She had to join the Me Too movement and stand up at the Time 100 and talk about her mother's alleged sexual assault as though it were her own. She needed sort of that glory, the valor of Me Too rubbing off on her from her mom's alleged problems because hers were not convincing anybody.
00:31:46.660And now with her reputation in tatters, she's Amber herded herself.
00:31:51.840She thinks it's what she's going to be able to spin it as a victory if he has to pay eight million dollars.
00:31:58.800She's going to everybody knows that's not in settlement.
00:32:47.240She's trying to eke out some kind of win so she can spin this to whatever friendly media outlets will listen to her and say, you know, I was legitimate.
00:33:08.840But I think, you know, I think they're operating on the old ways of doing things.
00:33:13.980And everybody who's in the digital lane and pays attention, we all know what's really going on here.
00:33:21.580It's no accident that Blake Lively has not booked another acting role.
00:33:25.000What director is ever going to work with her?
00:33:26.920What director is going to think she's not going to turn around and do the same thing to me and try to destroy me with her disgusting husband, just my opinion, right behind her?
00:33:35.540you know, he's out there like trying to, uh, shovel his new Wrexham series. Like it's like,
00:33:41.020it's another iteration of Wrexham or whatever. Right. Did you? No, you and I talked about this
00:33:45.860and I said, it sounds like rectum. Oh yeah. I said you have filthy, filthy mind.
00:33:51.660It does. Who named their business that? That's a bad name.
00:33:55.360Yeah. It's, it's, it's funny. It's funny. Cause you know, the other person who has,
00:33:59.520has decided that, uh, this is a winning team to be aligned with is Hugh Jackman.
00:34:34.100Well, I don't know about those two, but you're right. Taylor Swift has gotten a pass for her villainous role in that whole thing. Same way Parker Posey got a pass for her abuse of that poor Swedish journalist or Norwegian journalist in the mean Blake Lively exchange. You know, like you have a cute bump, you know, where remember?
00:34:55.300Oh, yeah. Shasta Flaw. Yeah. Shasta. Flawsome talk podcast. Yes. And Parker Posey was right there being as bitchy, if not more, as Taylor Swift to this poor journalist. Oh, it was awful. It was wasn't just that it wasn't just that the journalist congratulated Blake on her announced pregnancy. Yeah. And she was like seven months along. Yeah, it was visible. And then Blake turned around and said, oh, look at your, you know, and apparently from what I've read, that journalist was actually trying to conceive. So it was doubly mean, doubly mean. You never go there.
00:35:25.000You never go. And then Blake turns directly to Parker and start. So talking to her one on one like this. And here's the journalist. This is her job. Everybody's got a job to do. And they're talking to each other like she's not even in the room. So Parker Posey, too. Yes. Fuck her. You know, it's like it's so it's it's punching down. It's like. Yes. Yes. And they and they're not bright enough to realize this person is there ostensibly to make you look good.
00:35:49.920And now you're alienating her and she's going to fucking hate you forever.
00:37:43.720Yeah, I mean, that's why I'll always respect Pamela Anderson, because she sat across me on the NBC set and talked about how and of course, I mean, especially in her heyday, the biggest sex pot in the world, you know, no, not just for her beauty, but like her sexiness.
00:38:00.860there was zero chance Harvey didn't take a shot at her right zero chance and she said she was asked
00:38:07.600to go meet him and others I think she said in hotel rooms for meetings and she always said no
00:38:13.780she said her mother told her when she was very young don't do that like you know what they're
00:38:18.640asking for and she was raised right her mother instilled a sense of common sense in her she did
00:38:24.000not want to get ahead that way just because she's this knockout like sex pot doesn't mean
00:38:27.820that's the route she wanted to take to becoming a household name so she was happy to put on that
00:38:32.820sex appeal let men fantasize obviously she had her tommy lee and her kid rock marriages and all that
00:38:39.260but when it came to actually getting jobs she did it the right way and she refused to play that game
00:38:45.180good for her i know good for her it also it kind of tracks why now she's sort of like she goes
00:38:50.960makeup free and she wants to sort of be taken more seriously you know you can imagine what that
00:38:56.820branding did to her. And she did want to become a movie star. Remember she did that movie. Was it
00:39:02.160Barbed Wire? Barbed Wire. Yeah. She did want to be a movie star and it didn't quite work out for
00:39:06.520her, but it's, it's interesting that she, again, like Courtney Love set it on a red carpet back
00:39:11.880in the nineties. I don't know if you remember this clip, but some entertainment journalist said,
00:39:15.960Courtney, what would you advise to, uh, any young actress coming to LA wanting to make it?
00:39:21.340And she said, if Harvey Weinstein invites you to a meeting at his room at the four seasons,
00:39:25.320don't go so true I mean it does remind me that Janice Dean told a story about Roger Ailes where
00:39:34.860she she was interviewing for her job and he asked her to meet him at a hotel lobby
00:39:41.120and she did it he you know it was like in the restaurant or in the bar and she she did wasn't
00:39:47.300like come meet me at my room she did it and uh across from her at that meeting he like reached
00:39:53.720out and I kind of held her hand and he said, I need to know how you see me, how you see me.
00:39:59.720And Janice said, like, like a teacher, like a mentor, you know, like, like a boss,
00:40:06.600which was not really what he wanted to hear. But I, I just loved how she played it. Like,
00:40:12.340like a mentor, you know, like not as a friend, as like a, you know, someone from whom I have
00:40:19.080a lot to learn. She didn't, she didn't go there. Did people know, like, like if you, like if I'm
00:40:23.680like going in and it's like Roger Ailes wants to interview you, you're at like the last part of
00:40:29.000the process. And if he okays you, you're going to get the job. Yeah. Would I have heard through a
00:40:33.740whisper network? I don't think so. Really? I definitely don't think so. I mean, I, I definitely
00:40:39.840thought I was the only one. And that was part of like my own confusion about the whole situation
00:40:43.860for years when i was very young i thought he was trying to have an affair with me i didn't look at
00:40:49.220him as a harasser do you know what i mean like i thought he was taking a shot at having an affair
00:40:53.880and then somebody at fox who i was close with said he's just an unhappily married guy and so
00:41:00.660like it just was framed for me by myself and by this other person who knew him as like about
00:41:06.540having an affair as opposed to being a serial assaulter or whatever, harasser. And it wasn't
00:41:14.680until years later that I would talk to JD and like over drinks one night, we would like tell
00:41:19.460our stories and we were both like, oh my God. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was crazy. And then we had no idea
00:41:25.500the extent of it until the scandal hit. And then it was like, then we actually went looking to find
00:41:30.540out like who else is there? Like there's got to, how widespread is this? And the answer was
00:41:34.880extremely widespread, but he was so powerful. He managed to keep it quiet and people were too
00:41:39.480terrified. I think now in retrospect to say anything about him is he just, you know, he was
00:41:44.580like dear leader. Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. It's amazing how he was able to keep all of that siloed
00:41:53.420and have confidence that none of the women would speak to each other about it. Yeah. Oh, I mean,
00:41:59.660He probably gave them the same spiel he gave me, which was, I mean, later, you know, we got past that incident, the period where he was trying to whatever with me.
00:42:09.920And we went on to have a very good relationship for the vast majority of my years there.
00:42:14.660But he would, even once we were past all that, you know, he had me up there and I'd sit in his office for three hours at a time.
00:42:23.180I'd come out of there and Suzanne Scott and Bill Shine is his number two and one person would be
00:42:28.620like looking at me like what's on his mind what's he saying about this what like he didn't do this
00:42:32.300with his executives like I I became a close confidant of his it was very strange I appreciate
00:42:38.020I learned a ton but I've I maintain to this day I could tell you more about Roger Ailes
00:42:41.820philosophy in terms of like talent management and running the company than either of those two could
00:42:47.160um but he would stress how he needed to be able to trust you and how like you couldn't repeat
00:42:55.340anything he said in there and i always accepted that as like this is the price of admission like
00:43:01.780he needs to have a couple of people he can talk to and he he said to me one time i think i'm the
00:43:07.300loneliest man in the world because i don't think he thought he could have friends i think he was
00:43:13.140not unlike a lot of like prominent politicians like look at trump i'm sure at some level trump
00:43:19.520knows 99.9 percent of the people around him are using him they're not real friends they're like
00:43:26.340they want something and that was probably true in his real estate business too it's the downside of
00:43:31.120being extremely successful whether it's in terms of money or accomplishment and i think roger felt
00:43:36.420that doubly he felt very paranoid about people exploiting him using him or or you know i don't
00:43:42.800know just setting him up which is ironic because you know then came Gretchen Carlson who was in
00:43:47.460there taping him um and he he didn't think he had any friends he said that that's interesting because
00:43:54.140saying the thing about Gretchen like taping him it that to me is an interesting window into that
00:44:01.220psyche because I kind of think you're you think that way if you're up to something bad right you
00:44:07.660you can't have friends. You can't have friends at your level, right? You don't have friends from
00:44:13.160before. You don't have family members that you trust implicitly. You've got to have those people
00:44:19.040like most of us do. Most people do. I just, I don't buy, like, I can't have friends like that.
00:44:24.760You're up to something and you need to, you need to silo your life. You can't integrate everything
00:44:31.920because you're over here doing some really bad shit yeah it's true i mean i remember talking
00:44:38.360to o'reilly and he said um like all of his best friends were from childhood like when he was young
00:44:43.520he's still i mean i haven't talked to o'reilly in years but every year he used to take a guy's
00:44:48.920trip with his like childhood buddies and i think it's hard for people who become like super famous
00:44:54.680you know as as bill did to you know really trust their new friendships people who came to them
00:45:01.020once they already were, you know, I, I don't know. I just feel like I, I myself have learned
00:45:05.420some lessons this year. I thought I genuinely thought I had a true friendship with Ben Shapiro
00:45:09.660and I learned this year I didn't and don't. So I'm 55 and I'm still learning some lessons here
00:45:15.680about like, I don't know, putting too much stock in certain relationships. Maybe I shouldn't have
00:45:19.820thought that it's not like we had a bunch of like private dinners together or like hung out over
00:45:24.020holidays. I don't, but I, I didn't really think you had to, I consider you a dear friend and we
00:45:29.240don't have a ton of dinners together like i don't know sometimes you can lose your faith in humanity
00:45:34.460when too many people burn you and you have to fight against that you do and i think you know
00:45:38.720you have an unusual life um you're a very prominent public figure
00:45:45.500uh there are people who are gonna want things from you and and hide their true motives
00:45:54.020but i think like i don't i think it's like you will those people will eventually reveal
00:46:01.060themselves they will and it will be painful but it's it's kind of just like i think it's kind of
00:46:05.440just the cost of doing business a bit yeah you know and you don't ever really want to lose your
00:46:09.020faith in like humanity or you know and i don't i don't think i will like i i liken it to my dogs
00:46:15.100you know thunder when we got the invisible fence thunder's the easy good she's the good one
00:46:22.180strudwick is the difficult one he's amazing i love him but he is definitely a challenge
00:46:26.160and she crossed that fence one time she got the shock she was like i got it i'm good i'm gonna
00:46:32.280sit here now i'm not gonna go near that and strudwick was like this floppy fun mess ran
00:46:38.460and he got shocked and he tried another area and he got shocked again he tried the other and he
00:46:43.360wasn't getting it at all and that's i would say my own approach to friendships
00:46:47.220I'm much more in the Strudwick field of like, let's try it again.
00:46:54.120Let's make the same mistakes over and over.
01:01:51.780level that like more people are less equipped maybe are there you might think not the listeners
01:01:57.240to this show no of course not no no no but like like how incurious do you have to be how do you
01:02:02.800get out of an educational system a first world educational system not knowing those basics even
01:02:08.660in their weird world which is probably dictated by tiktok wouldn't they know it's the 250th no
01:02:13.500why what do you mean it's everywhere i i feel like it's not i feel like it's weirdly not like i i i
01:02:19.740i was alive and i know you were because we're a similar vintage remember in 76 yeah and it was
01:02:25.060like a huge deal yes pots and pans i remember on the day of i remember that and i feel like it's
01:02:31.320not as celebrated in the mainstream media because the current occupant of the white house is the
01:02:37.360current occupant of the white house that's what i think we need to hate him and if you celebrate
01:02:40.600250 you're celebrating trump yeah and you're you're actually it's unpatriotic you're not like
01:02:45.280really being you're not showing fidelity you're mad at the country right now yeah yeah you're
01:02:49.100Yeah, that's what that's ridiculous. I can't imagine. I cannot believe. First of all, they don't know that we fought a war to free ourselves from England. Hello. This is so basic. But I'll bet you they can tell you like, you know, what non-binary means. Probably, you know, that's the stuff they're learning right now.
01:03:05.420Yeah. Yeah. No. And the other thing is, you know, the whole controversy over the UFC fight on the lawn of the White House.
01:03:13.800Yeah. This is what I wish the conversation had been about the like all that pushback.
01:03:18.640It's it's it's about class. It's class. Yeah, that's right.
01:03:22.560Media elite hate it because it's what regular, hardworking, non elite coastal people are interested.
01:03:31.720That's right. And that's right. And that's why they hate it. They hate it because Trump likes it, too, that you've got to hate anything that Trump likes. All right. Michelle Obama. She's back in the news. And did you see the portrait, the presidential portrait in the hope and change lobby? No, it's the hope in the hope and change lobby of the new presidential library. It's real. It's like actually what they're calling it. And it features the presidential portrait of the two of them with her front and center. He's the side piece in the back.
01:04:00.560she she was the first lady not the president even though she keeps calling it our administration
01:04:05.540when we were president you weren't president it wasn't your administration look at this look
01:04:09.780look he looks like the supporting actor and she's got the main stage she was asked about this
01:04:18.300and um wanted us to know this is why this is why it was done that way here she is on ms now
01:04:24.360SOT19. And you're in the foreground. You're together there. It's not, you know, what is
01:04:31.560often, you're not in the background. You're right there together. Well, that's because I married a
01:04:36.740man who isn't threatened by, you know, having a smart, challenging partner. And that's also
01:04:47.520another way to be a man you know to lead you know to lead and co-lead all at the same time
01:04:54.880uh and to be good with it because it it gets you to a become a better person
01:05:01.560she can't stand him oh she fucking hates him we know these are lies it's you know it's it reminds
01:05:09.740me of barack's very famous uh foreign policy uh strategy which was lead from behind yeah that's
01:05:16.480apparently how it goes in the marriage. We lead from behind. We sit for our presidential port.
01:05:21.240The mind blowing thing was a couple of nights before the official opening. And they had that
01:05:26.260big event in the presidential library. They were on stage together. Yes. And she's wearing a silk
01:05:33.260screened custom made skirt with her dead mother's face on it. Did you see this? No. What? It was
01:05:38.980like it was her face was like this big. It was like three feet. And she's standing there and
01:05:43.960she's she's like this she is we are angry this is her husband's crap this is his legacy we're
01:05:50.460enshrining here as the first black president but we're fucking angry at him our body language is
01:05:55.720completely closed off barack's like he's like chastened he's like looking down he's definitely
01:06:00.140afraid of her oh definitely and and she's like i i have to i have to give barack a moment here
01:06:05.520i have to i have to give him i have to get i have to excuse him basically again he's in the doghouse
01:06:10.860They should have built a doghouse adjacent to this presidential library.
01:06:59.240This is, listen to this next soundbite.
01:07:00.560This is Sot 20, People Magazine interview.
01:07:02.780he's completely uncomfortable with this thing being about him i was like you know he would
01:07:12.000just tell me i think there should be a little less of me here i was like well who should we
01:07:16.800be talking about and he was like gandhi i was like no no gandhi will have his own museum i think
01:07:23.680people coming here will want to hear about you but she's exaggerating okay this man
01:07:32.540accepted the presidential nomination in front of greek columns at invesco field in denver colorado
01:07:40.180like a king like a king i was there it was bigger and more grand than anything any president
01:07:48.580including the current one has ever orchestrated for themselves as their own honor and he wants
01:07:55.100this is the guy who was out there like we will we will clean the seas and we will clean the air
01:08:01.160Right. He has suffered from delusions of grandeur since he was a teenager. And she actually wants us to believe that he's this humble. Oh, the presidential library that I just built as a monument skyscraper to myself should be about like Gandhi, not me. I'm uncomfortable with all the focus on me.
01:08:20.360I was I was thinking the same thing those like fake Greek columns and the you know the adoration
01:08:26.600like he lapped it up he loved he loved again another one who loves being famous he I think
01:08:32.720was one of the like when he came in and um he was I think he did more interviews than a first
01:08:41.240term president in their in their first year than anybody it was kind of like how does this guy have
01:08:45.660time to work. He was in front of a television camera every five minutes. She also loves the
01:08:51.820attention. She loves it. Loves the attention. Here it is. In Vescofield, look at this.
01:08:56.620Look at this. Look at all the Greek columns behind him. I was there. It was insane. He was treated
01:09:01.600like the second coming, truly, and ate it up. Who would approve Greek columns behind them like that?
01:09:09.060You know what I mean? He's accomplished nothing. He'd been a state senator from Illinois. He was a
01:09:14.980U.S. senator for two years. And he's true. He's treating himself here like he's Gandhi. The whole
01:09:20.160rollout for his presidential campaign was like that. And now he wants us to believe, and she
01:09:25.100does, too, that he's just this humble Joe, you know, like, gee, oh, shucks. You know, I had to
01:09:30.580build this presidential library, but I really wish it weren't about me. OK, sure. Even Chicago,
01:09:36.480like his native Chicago is like this. This library is a little much. It's the ugliest building I've
01:09:41.600ever seen in my life ugly it is so unattractive and it's got like zero windows which again i find
01:09:47.480very strange for somebody who's about transparency and light and hope and change like windows
01:09:53.600actually are a metaphor for that kind of a thing i don't understand it i don't it's it's a blight
01:10:00.900it's it's it's like an eyesore it's a literal eyesore what do we have debbie murphy she wants
01:10:05.520to show us something oh the skirt she found the skirt let's see it yeah let's see michelle obama
01:10:12.320honors her late mother by wearing a skirt oh oh my gosh is the mother's face right on the front
01:10:17.500yeah you're there's a there's a front version you can see yeah we got to see the front version i
01:10:22.100can't like why would you put your mother's oh my god what and look at the body language like oh
01:10:30.800her arm is locked. There's no softness. There's like a huge gap between them. He's, he's using
01:10:36.780his other arm. Like he's not holding her hand. It's very, he doesn't have his hand around her.
01:10:42.740Like Doug would have his hand around my back. Nope. Look at this. He looks like a beaten dog.
01:10:47.340Yeah. It's like, even this night cannot be about him. Wow. Well, um, looking down the line at not
01:10:54.300his VP, but his VP's wife, Jill Biden, she's had a humiliation this week because she put out this
01:11:02.140book. Remember, she did her little tour on it and she was like, this book is about me. Why are we
01:11:06.540spending all this time focusing on my complaints about the Joe Biden being pushed out of the race?
01:11:10.920It's I've got a lot of great stories in there. I'm inspirational. She literally pulled a Gayle
01:11:14.760King. She was like, I'm inspirational. There are a lot of inspirational stories in there for women
01:11:19.020about how I worked when I got into the White House and also was second lady. And then first
01:11:24.220lady well she pushed that book everywhere and it made the new york times bestseller list
01:11:30.980debuted at number one because of who she is and the number of adoring press articles she got
01:11:36.800and she got the dagger the deadly dagger that means bulk sales you always got to look for the
01:11:44.000dagger the bulk sales mean they bought their way onto the list that's what it means bulk sales
01:11:48.720technically they'll try to say oh but well i well i had um you know several like events where they
01:11:53.400bought. No, no, no. That the New York Times knows how to factor that in. Like if you had book
01:11:57.640parties and you had a lot of books, celebrations like that, they won't necessarily give you the
01:12:01.800dagger just for that. It's massive purchases in bulk. That's what you did, Jill Biden. That's
01:12:06.240what's obvious. You got the dagger and it it's unheard of for you to debut at number one and
01:12:12.340then immediately fall off the list altogether. Yes. As a first lady. No, I mean, like as that
01:12:17.340that level public figure. But she did right off like this is all bought and paid for this packaging
01:12:25.040around yet the Obamas and the Bidens. There's nothing inspirational about Jill Biden. Nobody
01:12:31.320looks at her and says, like, I want to buy her book and I want to be just like her and I want
01:12:35.380her fashion, too. I am shocked that a Biden did something that seems nefarious, potentially
01:12:43.320unethical you know it just goes to show again like her thirst hurt her black hole too it will
01:12:51.060never be slaked it's never enough it was forever the line on her was she's dying to be first lady
01:12:56.880yeah she's like she's jealous of michelle she's jealous that she's got a second seat she wants
01:13:02.060to be first lady she got it it wasn't enough that we were first lady we had to roll our husband our
01:13:07.340infirm, dementia-addled husband out everywhere we could to try to get him a second term.
01:13:13.000She forgot him on stage at the presidential library.
01:13:36.500actually wanted us to believe that he could be president right now but in any event she couldn't
01:13:40.280give a shit she's like i i had my moment everybody looked at me grandpa's left behind she's the
01:13:45.460living worst she's the living worst and it was so awful to see her making her rounds on like the
01:13:50.580view or wherever and everybody's just like you are so inspirational like she's got nothing to offer
01:13:57.260right what has she done she's a community college oh she did become a doctor dr biden again like
01:14:03.100all of these things meant to sort of make her seem special these ornaments they mean nothing
01:14:07.340they mean nothing she's not a doctor no she's not a doctor or she wouldn't have let her husband
01:14:12.480develop the many ailments that he did right underneath her nose with no medical care
01:14:16.700or so they would have us believe um speaking of elderly people poor nancy guthrie
01:14:21.920i don't know whether we're ever going to find nancy i mean maureen o'connell came on the show
01:14:27.080former FBI profiler, the real deal. And she said, she is 75% sure that they are closing in on
01:14:33.560porch man. So that's exciting. I mean, I trust Maureen. That's exciting. Hope it's true. But
01:14:39.680meanwhile, over the past 48 hours, we had this fierce war unfolding with FBI statements. To me,
01:14:46.040it seems to be between maybe FBI, you know, Maine in DC and FBI Phoenix, which technically is all
01:14:52.980part of the same group, but physically isn't. And they'll have their own fiefdom out there
01:14:57.860about whether any of the ransom notes were legit. What we know from Savannah is she tends to believe
01:15:07.180the first two were legit. And there's no question that the FBI must have led her to believe that
01:15:12.300she's too smart. She's not coming to her own judgment about that. I mean, like she said,
01:15:15.780account obviously had countless discussions with the FBI. I feel like if she's saying she believes
01:15:19.820it, then that's telegraphing that her FBI contacts believe it. And Harvey Levin has been saying that
01:15:25.080he thinks the FBI is treating at least those first two seriously. And, you know, with with as though
01:15:31.720they may be authentic. And he believed that they might be treating the other strain of notes he
01:15:37.180was getting from the alleged friend of the kidnappers. I've seen Nancy, you know, time is
01:15:41.020of the essence. Oh, wait, it's no longer of the essence that he allegedly had seen her body look
01:15:45.780south of the border that guy he says he believed that they were looking at that guy seriously too
01:15:51.760but then we get a report from reuters whose sources are probably dc based as they are
01:15:57.260saying the fbi doesn't believe any of the kidnapping notes are legit does not believe
01:16:02.480any of them so all this time speculating about the one that said i know exactly what she was
01:16:07.540wearing this is what she was wearing and i found her white uh apple watch and this is exactly where
01:16:11.820it was on the floor and there's a broken floodlight and I want 4 million by Thursday or 6 million by
01:16:16.240Monday or else. Then the follow up that we just heard the details of last week for the first time
01:16:21.760she's dead. She's no longer with us. She's at peace with nature. How are they phrased it?
01:16:26.820No, don't believe it. We've wasted our time. The FBI doesn't believe they're legit. Then we get
01:16:33.200follow up reporting from Fox News and others saying not so fast. The FBI isn't necessarily
01:16:40.520saying that. Don't put too much stock in the Reuters report. And then the Pima County's
01:16:46.020sheriff's office is like, we defer to the FBI, which means nothing because now they've taken
01:16:50.300both positions. And to me, Maureen, it's just further evidence that this case has been mismanaged
01:16:56.120both from a public relations standpoint and apparently from an investigative standpoint
01:17:00.820from the start. And here we are in July. In July, she went missing February 1st.
01:17:08.640We still have no idea where she is, and they can't even get their messaging straight around something as critical as the ransom notes.
01:17:18.180You know, there's this, I think, assumption in the culture, and we get it from TV and movies, that the FBI is all powerful, all knowing they are the finest minds.
01:17:29.640And I know from former FBI agents who I spoke to extensively for one of my books that it's simply not so.
01:17:36.760and the fbi is often very fallible and fucked up and this messaging this is the fbi's case now
01:17:43.440they can't even get it straight they keep saying pima county's taking the lead which i'm sure they
01:17:47.280would love for us that they would love that you know it and for for such a high profile case
01:17:53.580involving such a high profile person who is back on television every weekday morning yes now the
01:18:00.460other thing i think you were talking to maureen about this that letter which had i think you guys
01:18:05.660were saying it it sounds like a woman wrote it yes feminine language yes like i'm sorry she's
01:18:12.860buried with nature yes the important thing thing is there's nothing you could have done to have
01:18:17.440prevented it and yeah she died unexpectedly yeah there there was definitely a couple churns of
01:18:23.980phrases in there that sounded she's right feminine a female yeah which adds which adds a an interesting
01:18:29.760dimension to this because women don't tend to commit crimes like this and we know that wasn't
01:18:35.180a woman well we think we know on the porch yeah no that was definitely a man you know it's a
01:18:41.000fascinating mystery i i i hope maureen is right that they're that they're close to finding they
01:18:46.560find that guy who was on the porch then they're you know now we really have then it's ball game
01:18:51.600yeah then we don't care about the notes it's like we got the guy who actually took her everything
01:18:55.840stems from that it just like when that first hit those the tape of that guy on the porch it was so
01:19:01.060hopeful maureen was actually on the air with me at the time um along with our other panelists and
01:19:05.680everyone was so excited because it seemed like such a crazy good investigative lead even president
01:19:11.200trump had said that the friday before like i think we're going to solve it soon because he knew about
01:19:14.540the tape reportedly um nothing here we are july and now there's a report out that savannah may
01:19:22.320reportedly be getting ready to take another leave from the today show that it's just been too much
01:19:28.520And you know, you think about it, when this came up, she keeps talking about it, Maureen, in a way that is very severe. She says, we're still in agony every day. We're in agony that I just can't imagine doing the news while in agony for months on end.
01:19:47.260so i don't know it's a tabloid who's reporting it i think i can't remember maybe the sun
01:19:52.000um yeah u.s sun so it could be off but is it so hard to believe that it might be she has plenty
01:20:00.760of money she doesn't need to work her husband's got a good job with the nfl and she's made a lot
01:20:03.940of money anyway i'm not sure she's somebody who needs to see herself on tv every day i don't she
01:20:08.540doesn't strike me as that kind of a person and um i i wouldn't be surprised at all if she did
01:20:13.660take another step away or even just leave? I wouldn't either. I think maybe she felt
01:20:18.460she would regain some sense of normalcy by going back to work and by not having to work,
01:20:25.920not think about this all the time. But we've seen her just disappear from the air during the
01:20:30.980broadcast several times, which clearly she's overcome with emotion. I don't know how you
01:20:36.860personally square, meaning me, I couldn't. An elderly parent abducted from their bed in the
01:20:43.340dead of night you don't know where they are but you know something very bad has happened she's
01:20:46.520dead we know she's dead um and you think it may have happened because of you her brother was awful
01:20:52.140for saying that to her do you remember she said i asked him do you think this was because of me
01:20:55.960yes because i'm famous do you think and he said yeah i do that's you know i know i know you don't
01:21:02.340say that even if you think it how do you know that how do you don't say anything say of course
01:21:07.260there's no way to know that you can there's a million ways to answer that question so she's
01:21:11.080blaming herself you know and uh like basically what she's doing this job is bullshit this this
01:21:18.140is morning television is qvc yes you watch it it is a bunch of cheap shit from china order it with
01:21:23.760the qr code carson's going to be cooking in the rotten rockefeller plaza can you can you believe
01:21:28.860it what does she do like you have to have an existential crisis right like what am i doing
01:21:33.200with myself it's true she should go like the john walsh route like she should disappear for a while
01:21:38.020metabolize this come back and use her fame for good you know i know that she's always
01:21:44.960wondered like worried about whether she's she has any relevance like any influence you know
01:21:53.460that that job while it makes you a household name doesn't it's not meaningful at all you don't
01:21:59.280affect people's opinions on anything you're not driving any national conversations and it's there's
01:22:04.560something ironic and seeing, you know, now she is driving national conversations, but for a reason
01:22:10.300she never would have chosen or wanted, no one would. Maybe you're right. Maybe there's a lane
01:22:14.440for her to come back and like actually help people find their missing loved ones, do a show that
01:22:18.520could impact people who are really suffering. I don't know, but you're right. The Today Show is
01:22:22.320totally empty calories. It's not what it used to be. So I wouldn't be surprised to see her step
01:22:27.000away, especially because like she's got two kids. Like when you lose a family member under any
01:22:32.560circumstances. You start to think more about family and your legacy and what matters and
01:22:36.120time is so fleeting and all that stuff. So we'll see. I don't know. I hope Maureen O'Connell
01:22:43.040is right about what she said and that they're onto something, like they're on their way.
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01:34:17.660you will lose your security if you leave in this way.
01:34:22.020Yes, that is why the royals tried to come to some type of arrangement with Harry.
01:34:26.240there were loads of ideas thrown around. At one point, it was like, could we maybe move you to
01:34:31.920South Africa, a Commonwealth country for six months of the year? What about making you the
01:34:36.120governor general of Australia? Is there some type of role for you in Canada? But as soon as Meghan
01:34:41.600Markle made it absolutely clear that it was all about the moolah, it was all about the big bucks,
01:34:46.400it was all about trading off the royal name. At that point, the late Queen Elizabeth II,
01:34:50.660quite rightly in my opinion said no there is no half in half out so you can go you go without
01:34:58.000blessing but you lose everything and you do lose your security and he went on to explain that
01:35:04.600they've been invited as they reportedly have even now to stay in buckingham palace where you do have
01:35:11.260drivers you have guards famously outside the entire castle and when you drive around great
01:35:17.380britain you you're entitled to have your private security with you harry's mad i think because
01:35:22.260you're not allowed to have guns i think the private security can't have guns but honestly like
01:35:27.340you don't need that you he doesn't need people aren't going to be taking random shots at him
01:35:32.240when was the last time you heard about somebody taking random shots at the royal family while
01:35:36.880driving around great britain you need a bodyguard you need somebody to stop to stop somebody from
01:35:42.800coming and accosting you or getting overly zealous when they see you and he will have that in
01:35:48.400abundance so just as we come to air it it his people release some he's under threat from at
01:35:57.320least six terror plots in the uk very important very important person and dan wouldn't is he
01:36:04.640responded like this is the most ridiculous artificial made-up document it comes from
01:36:10.420harry's office it's like someone's been searching their emails to find like some i'll get you ah
01:36:17.340another terrorist plot against me terrorist number one is named george glass right
01:36:22.240that's right bomb making in the basement the imaginary basement it's so it's so you know it's
01:36:30.600um their brand is chaos nothing is ever just a straightforward execution a visit you know
01:36:38.540Whatever. There have been conflicting reports now that Megan may not be going.
01:36:41.940She's not happy. She may not be taking the children.
01:36:44.260I think part of the reason they want to take the children is so that they can say mean future King William would not see his own niece and nephew.