The Megyn Kelly Show - Tesla Attacks, Weird Walz Comments, and Judges Keep Fighting Trump, with Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cooke

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.940 Okay, there is so much news.

00:00:15.280 There's so much news.

00:00:18.320 I am thinking about the lawfare against Donald Trump just as much as Chuck Schumer is dreaming

00:00:24.120 about Elon Musk.

00:00:25.380 That's what's happening right now.

00:00:26.740 We are in day 58 of Trump's presidency, and the resistance is out in full force.

00:00:32.840 This term, it's in the courts.

00:00:35.300 We saw them use the courts against Trump to try to prevent him from getting to be the

00:00:38.720 presidential nominee and to be the president, and now they are using it to try to ruin his

00:00:42.840 second presidential term.

00:00:44.520 They used impeachment twice during the first term.

00:00:48.020 Now they're using the courts ad nauseum during the second term to try to block his entire

00:00:53.520 agenda.

00:00:53.860 And they have very compliant, willing district court judges appointed by Obama and Biden

00:00:58.880 helping them, helping them.

00:01:01.480 They are trying to block Trump's clear constitutional powers when it comes to who serves in the military,

00:01:07.420 in his military, of which he is the commander in chief.

00:01:10.080 You've got some woke LGBTQ female justice judge who thinks she knows better.

00:01:16.000 Who the hell elected you, Judge Reyes, as commander in chief of the military?

00:01:21.880 And not just the military.

00:01:23.200 You've got the border.

00:01:23.980 You've got hiring and firing inside the executive branch and much, much more, and this is nowhere

00:01:27.420 near over.

00:01:28.760 Perfect guests for today.

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00:02:35.240 Charlie Rich, welcome back.

00:02:37.000 Great to have you.

00:02:38.180 Let's kick it off with Judge Anna Reyes.

00:02:42.160 I mean, I'm at my wit's end about some of this lawfare, but this one in particular.

00:02:47.140 Let me just tell you something, OK?

00:02:48.800 You can be kicked out of the military for your height, your weight, and your vision.

00:02:58.780 These things can get you ejected from the American military.

00:03:02.220 You can get kicked out if you're on the autism spectrum.

00:03:04.360 You can get kicked out if you have certain mood disorders.

00:03:09.380 You can get kicked out if you have ADD, ADD.

00:03:13.680 If you have depression, if you have history of a single adjustment disorder, depending on

00:03:20.380 the history of an eating disorder, all of that, the military can say you may not serve.

00:03:24.840 But if you have gender dysphoria and say you're a trans person, you're a man who thinks he's

00:03:32.980 a woman or vice versa, this judge, LGBTQ, she's the first openly gay woman on the bench in at

00:03:42.860 least D.C., I think it is, has ruled you you must be allowed to serve, that the commander in chief

00:03:49.940 and the secretary of defense may not tell you that you cannot serve.

00:03:55.460 You can be too short, your anxiety can be a deal breaker, but you're thinking you're a woman when

00:04:03.040 you're actually a man rich is a bridge too far for this woke leftist judge who is, has already

00:04:12.140 declared prior to her ruling last night saying the Trump executive order on this issue is null and

00:04:17.680 void, that the notion that there are only two genders is correct, is incorrect. It is biologically

00:04:25.460 incorrect, she says. What, what is, what has it come to? The lawfare has come to this?

00:04:33.160 Yeah. So obviously this is an initiative entirely consistent with secretary defense's entire priority

00:04:39.060 at the Pentagon, which is to focus on warfighting and not get distracted by any other nonsense.

00:04:44.820 And you can make an entirely rational case that gender dysphoria is not consistent with the rigors

00:04:50.580 of combat and what you want an organization devoted to combat to focus on. And in fact,

00:04:56.820 this determination is so rational, it was, it was actually the case. It was a status quo as of what,

00:05:02.020 10 years ago or something. So it's an innovation where we've accommodated these folks. And this is,

00:05:08.180 Megan, this for me falls into the range of these legal decisions, if legal contentions,

00:05:13.800 if it has to do with the president of the United States core executive functions, how many people

00:05:19.480 are working for him, who's working for him, what's national security and not, he's ultimately going

00:05:25.640 to win these cases. Now I think it's, it's highly irritating. These, these judges, some of them are

00:05:30.760 totally ridiculous and it's going to delay things, but this seems to me one that he will ultimately

00:05:37.020 prevail on. So Charles, this woman, again, unlike her, one of her bosses on the U S Supreme court,

00:05:45.900 Ketanji Brown Jackson, she does appear to be able to say what a woman is. Um, and she wants,

00:05:53.740 or at least she's got thoughts on gender on how there's, there's more than two. She'll state that

00:05:57.800 affirmatively. There's more than two. And that's a biological fact. According to this judge,

00:06:02.060 it's, it's absolutely absurd. And that she, in her ruling took such issue with the department of

00:06:09.520 justice, arguing on behalf of the department of defense, because Trump's executive order on this,

00:06:15.440 which was clearly a Pentagon thing said, it's important in the military to be able to be able

00:06:21.840 to serve with integrity and honesty and in wellness. And she said, that's them accusing all trans people

00:06:31.520 of being liars, which I mean, not for nothing, but you could make the case. If you're looking at me

00:06:36.220 and you're Charles CW cook and saying, you're a woman. Yeah. I'm probably going to think you're

00:06:40.060 not telling me the truth. Um, but in any event, she got in this lawyer's face and said, Oh,

00:06:48.360 that shows animus. It's like hatred by president Trump towards trans people. And what, what should I

00:06:54.500 do to you? Should I ban this guy? This lawyer went to the university of Virginia law school. Should

00:06:58.400 I ban, ban all university of Virginia lawyers from this point forward from, for being liars.

00:07:04.540 This is part of why the DOJ filed a misconduct complaint against this judge after an earlier

00:07:10.780 hearing. She's out of control. Yes. This is one of the worst Trump law cases I've ever seen

00:07:19.020 for a whole host of reasons. First off, there's simply no constitutional statutory basis for this

00:07:25.580 decision and therefore it's void. Second, the fake constitution makes an appearance here where the,

00:07:36.240 as Rich says, core powers, core competencies, core allocations of authority to the president

00:07:42.120 are subject to these supposed standards of kindness, niceness, which simply don't exist in

00:07:52.620 the law in this area. There are some circumstances where rational basis review, for example, might

00:07:58.180 obtain, but you don't get rational basis review in the military. The president and the secretary of

00:08:04.100 defense can decide who serves and why with effectively plenary power. And the third reason it's grotesque is

00:08:13.780 if you read all the way to the end, as I did last night, you sense a certain underconfidence in the

00:08:18.820 judge. Cause she, she lapses the conclusion into all this mawkish nonsense where she starts thanking

00:08:25.440 people for their service and talks about the military as if she's making a speech on Veterans

00:08:31.840 Day. And then she says, this of course will cause all manner of public debate and disagreement in the

00:08:39.120 country, which is a good outcome. Why? You're a judge. The creation of debate is totally irrelevant to

00:08:48.440 the job description. It's not good or bad either way. Your job is to follow the law. So this really

00:08:55.600 struck me when reading it as the work of a politician rather than of a judge.

00:09:02.460 Same. Thank you for saying it so clearly. Could not agree more. She, she goes to me, this is like,

00:09:08.900 she's looking for a pat on the head from GLAAD or the human rights campaign. She, she's waiting for

00:09:15.940 Sotomayor or Ketanji Brown Jackson or Kagan to say, good girl. You're a good little girl. You,

00:09:20.740 you wrote all the right things. Kagan, not for nothing is, uh, she's gay, isn't she? I don't

00:09:26.540 know why that just got away from me. I'm pretty sure Kagan's gay. She played, she played softball.

00:09:31.960 That's, that's all we know. She is a softball star. That's circumstantial, but we could admit it into

00:09:39.940 evidence. Um, okay. But this was, she writes in part, um, at times leaders have used this concern

00:09:48.220 to ensure military readiness, to deny marginalized persons, the privilege of serving fill in the

00:09:55.440 blank, which is, she writes those words is not fully capable and will hinder combat effectiveness.

00:10:00.900 Fill in the bank, the blank will disrupt unit cohesion and so diminish military effectiveness,

00:10:07.160 allowing fill in the blank to serve will undermine training, make it impossible to recruit

00:10:12.180 successfully and disrupt military order. First minorities, then women in combat, then gays

00:10:19.920 filled in that blank. Today, however, our military is stronger and our nation is safer for the millions

00:10:27.000 of such blanks and all other persons who serve. Now, first of all, that is not her judgment to make.

00:10:35.120 She is not commander of the armed forces. And there actually are hot debates going on in this

00:10:39.780 country right now about not minorities, but adding women to positions, for example, in combat has made

00:10:46.960 us the strongest we've ever been when it comes to our military readiness. That's something that she,

00:10:52.200 this is not for her to opine on rich and for her to try to treat transgender individuals,

00:11:00.760 the same as blacks or Latinos is outrageous. One is skin color and race, and one has to do with a

00:11:11.000 mental disorder that's in the DSM five. Yeah. So one opine is the right word. What you read would be

00:11:18.660 pretty good, at least kind of bog level, one third of the New York Times column, right? But that's not

00:11:24.580 her role as a judge. And we had a lot of loose talk, right? Of a constitutional crisis. I think we

00:11:29.620 talked about that last time we were on. It's a constitutional crisis if judges are overstepping

00:11:35.620 their bounds and impinging on the executive authority. And the people who scream loudest

00:11:41.600 about a constitutional crisis, they never focus on that, right? Everyone has their appointed role in

00:11:45.820 the constitutional system. And if anyone oversteps it, that, that is profoundly wrong. So this decision

00:11:51.480 is profoundly wrong. And the point you make about, you know, being, your race being different from

00:11:56.260 your so-called gender identity is a good one. And this is one reason, and maybe we're going to talk

00:12:01.740 about this later, that the left is so wrong-footed on the trans issue. They thought it was a civil

00:12:07.760 rights issue, right? They thought it was like civil rights for African-Americans or civil rights for gay

00:12:12.980 people. And they've gone into something that most people, excuse me, do not consider that way because

00:12:18.560 it is a totally different category. And this opinion is a, uh, a prime example of that.

00:12:25.120 She goes on to say, um, the, as follows. Stand by. Okay. Uh, it is self-evident truth. She posits

00:12:36.880 that all people are created equal. All means all nothing more and certainly nothing less. So Charlie,

00:12:45.940 she, she, she's suggesting that trans people are being treated in a way that makes that renders them

00:12:50.700 unequal and that this is not allowed in our military, which is not true. Right. So I believe

00:13:00.500 that all men are created equal. You can't see it, but just over a top, my desk is a copy of the

00:13:06.260 Declaration of Independence in a frame. And that maxim, which really is a foundation of everything I

00:13:13.820 write about has absolutely nothing to do with this question. It is also true that people who grow no

00:13:21.220 taller than four foot five are equal. They're not inferior. They shouldn't be treated differently under

00:13:27.020 the law. They also can't or shouldn't be able to join the military in the same way as a six foot five

00:13:33.700 Navy SEAL should. What we're talking about here is not the usual questions of how citizens are treated

00:13:41.900 by the government when the government interferes with the liberty or property or lives of the

00:13:48.500 citizenry. That's when all of the maxims in the Declaration and the premises of the Constitution,

00:13:55.300 the Bill of Rights, Equal Protection, and so forth apply. We're talking about what should be a lethal

00:14:00.340 fighting force. We have always very harshly discriminated within the military for the sole reason

00:14:07.680 that the military exists to fight and kill and die. This is absurd. And I can't think of a better

00:14:15.260 illustration of what Pete Hegseth said during his hearing, that the military has left its historical

00:14:26.700 presumptions and come to see itself as some sort of social club or social experimentation society than

00:14:33.540 this. You will not find, Megan, someone who is more willing to wave the Bill of Rights around or

00:14:40.220 demand equal protection or call for the original understanding of the Constitution than me. But the

00:14:46.780 original understanding of the Constitution simply does not involve judges enforcing what they think is

00:14:53.800 equality within the commander in chief's purview. And that is ultimately all that matters or should

00:14:59.940 match it to a judge. That's right. She she goes on to say, OK, she's rejecting the Pentagon's position

00:15:09.600 because one of the justifications they they gave her when they got sued over this was the costs

00:15:17.240 associated with so-called gender affirming health care, which is a complete misnomer. Gender affirming

00:15:24.220 health care would say here, I'm a shrink. If you were born a boy, you remain a boy. That's

00:15:29.920 what it should be. But it's, of course, one of those terms that's been manipulated by these leftist

00:15:34.820 activists. So in any event, she's saying that the military has said, look, providing this so-called

00:15:41.720 health care to trans people for their gender procedures, because right now we're paying for

00:15:46.220 their surgeries. Well, maybe not right this second because Trump, you know, hit sign the EO, but

00:15:50.660 actually it's not effective till the end of March. So we are paying for their surgeries or paying for

00:15:54.680 their hormones, their cross gender procedures, all of it. And the military went in there and said,

00:16:01.580 look, we're we're paying five point two million dollars a year for this stuff. And she responds by

00:16:08.940 saying, well, that's only fifty seven hundred thousandth of a percent of total military spending

00:16:17.340 for twenty twenty four. So once again, Judge Reyes thinks we've elected her to be the chief

00:16:22.500 accountant over at the Pentagon to decide what's worth it and what's not. And then she has the nerve

00:16:28.120 to point out the department spent approximately forty one million for Viagra in twenty twenty three,

00:16:35.160 forty one million for Viagra, about five point two million for gender affirming care. Defendants

00:16:39.860 do not explain why the former and every other medical cost is acceptable, while the latter requires

00:16:45.560 banning trans people from military service. This is unbelievable, Rich, because

00:16:49.420 you so you've got men, active duty men who rely for their health care on the VA,

00:16:55.040 on the Pentagon, if they're active duty, who, yeah, some of them need Viagra. And this woman

00:17:00.360 wants to shame them in the military for providing it. Well, if they won't also pay for us to,

00:17:07.320 in other cases, chop off penises and try to create fake vaginas and then send them out and telling

00:17:13.960 them to go kill ISIS, I can't. Yeah, no, it's core executive function, core

00:17:19.520 executive decision what you're going to spend money on and what you're not. It's a little bit

00:17:23.940 like saying, you know, if the military says we don't want to recruit obese people for combat roles

00:17:28.880 and the judge saying, well, you can pay for the Ozempic. Right. It's not it's not that much.

00:17:33.080 You know, you're paying much more for your missile programs in your tank. So so why won't you pay for

00:17:37.140 this? It's not it's not her decision. And as Charlie rightly points out, this is it's it's not

00:17:42.940 not everyone gets to serve in the military. Right. If I want to go in combat right now, which I don't

00:17:47.640 my hats off to everyone who does, they'd say, no, you're too old, you're out of shape and you've never

00:17:51.720 made a bed, you know, in your life. You're not suitable for for the military life. And they'd be

00:17:57.200 right. And by the way, another reason to take the initiative here that the Pentagon is, is it's very

00:18:03.860 important to Pete Hexeth to send the message? We're no longer doing social services. We're no

00:18:10.620 longer doing progressive social studies. We're focusing on fighting because that is a way to

00:18:18.640 attract the people you want to the military. These guys and gals who are attracted to the military life,

00:18:25.500 they're different than we are. They want the adventure. They want the risk. If they wanted to

00:18:30.580 sit and get a lecture about how they're racist, sexist, transphobic and all of that, they go to

00:18:37.280 their local community college. That's not what they want to do. So you want to create the send the image

00:18:43.500 and send the message, which he has in various ways. Right. He's done deadlifts in Germany with

00:18:48.420 the guys. This a whole host of other things to send. You know what to say for the people who are

00:18:53.340 attracted to this, we are a military organization. People are in shape that matters to us. That's another

00:18:59.020 thing he's doing is having a review of the physical fitness of members of the military. Come here if

00:19:04.200 you want the adventure to defend your country. So I see this as part of that. Yeah, she's very angry

00:19:12.600 in this opinion about the alleged animus. Again, it's another word for hatred of President Trump

00:19:17.740 in the executive order. She writes, the military ban is soaked in animus and dripping with pretext.

00:19:24.860 Its language is unabashedly demeaning. Its policy stigmatizes transgender persons as inherently unfit

00:19:33.420 and its conclusions bear no relation to fact. Thus, even if the court analyzed the military ban under the

00:19:40.220 rational basis review, which is the easiest one to pass, it would fail. Defendants have not provided a

00:19:46.120 legitimate reason for banning all transgender troops. The military ban is unique in its unadulterated

00:19:52.400 expression of animus. Now, I looked at the ban, and I didn't see any of that. I'm not going to read the

00:19:59.720 whole thing because it's long. But it talks about, here's, they say, during the Biden administration,

00:20:04.840 the Department of Defense allowed gender insanity to pervade our military organizations. That's not

00:20:08.860 animus. Gender insanity pervading the military organizations means a lot of things. And there's

00:20:14.480 nothing hateful about it. This included not only permitting the military to increase the number of

00:20:18.400 individuals not physically or mentally prepared to serve, but also ordering DOD to pay for service

00:20:22.480 members' transition surgeries, as well as those of their dependent children, at a cost of millions to

00:20:28.500 the American taxpayer. The U.S. imposes rigorous standards on all military service members to ensure

00:20:32.480 they're prepared to take on the challenges. Fitness, health, welfare, and readiness standards must ensure

00:20:35.980 they're ready to fight. On the battlefield, there can be no accommodation for anything less than

00:20:39.920 resilience, strength, and the ability to withstand extraordinary physical demands. Individuals who are

00:20:43.900 unable to meet these requirements are unable to serve. This has been the case for decades.

00:20:47.360 I basically am reading the whole thing, by the way. You know, cohesion requires high levels of

00:20:52.860 integrity and stability among service members, high levels of integrity and stability. I'm like,

00:20:58.200 honestly, is this where she's getting animus from saying that it can take a minimum of 12 months for an

00:21:03.380 individual to compete, complete treatments after transition surgery, which often involves the use

00:21:08.060 of heavy narcotics. That's true. As I've mentioned before, there's someone in my extended family who went

00:21:15.660 through this. It's a crazy story. One day, maybe I'll get permission to tell it. But trust me,

00:21:21.200 yes, that's true. During this period, they are not physically capable of meeting military readiness

00:21:27.060 requirements and require ongoing medical care. This is not conducive for deployment or other readiness

00:21:31.960 requirements. Anyway, this is not full of animus. She is the one who is full of animus. Charlie,

00:21:37.720 as evidenced by what she said during the hearing when she said, I am not going to listen to what the

00:21:45.220 current sitting defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, says are the readiness requirements of the military.

00:21:52.260 I choose instead to look at Joe Biden's chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who she says has a stellar

00:22:00.240 military record. And she said, unlike this current guy who's only been there for 30 days and had only a

00:22:08.740 quote, limited deployment for a short period prior to his TV career, having obviously no idea that he's

00:22:19.580 had at least three deployments to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to Afghanistan and to Iraq during the most

00:22:27.360 dangerous period of the Iraq war. How dare she diminish his military experience and check his

00:22:35.640 opinion as the sitting secretary of defense? Yeah. So I agree with everything you just said

00:22:40.760 about Pete Hegseth, and I was strongly in favor of his nomination. But let's just a thought experiment

00:22:46.340 assume that instead of choosing Pete Hegseth, Donald Trump had chosen someone that all three of us

00:22:51.500 thought was an absolute moron. It wouldn't matter because Donald Trump would have won the president

00:22:57.340 presidential election. He would have taken hold of after his inauguration, the commander in chief

00:23:02.940 powers, and providing the Senate had agreed, his choice for secretary of defense would have been

00:23:11.640 installed in the Department of Defense. When this case was argued, that person, this hypothetical moron,

00:23:19.240 would have been able to make these decisions. One of the criticisms that we on the right very often make

00:23:26.200 of progressives is that they don't really want a democratic system. What they want is rule by

00:23:31.040 experts. And what this judge is trying to do here is prove us right. Because her argument was, I don't

00:23:37.280 like the expertise or credentials or opinions of person A, the person who is actually in charge.

00:23:44.300 So I will instead try to sustain the opinions of person B, who is no longer secretary of defense,

00:23:52.020 and who was serving at the pleasure of a president who was out of office and whose would-be successor lost.

00:24:00.800 There is no rational basis review in this area. I know that she lays out what would satisfy it,

00:24:07.900 but there is no rational basis review. There is no mechanism by which she gets to decide whether or not

00:24:14.580 she respects the person who won the election or the person who the Senate agreed to put in the

00:24:19.480 Department of Defense. None of that happens. And with animus, I agree with you, it's not really

00:24:26.960 dripping with animus. But again, thought experiment, let's assume that it were dripping with animus.

00:24:31.680 In most cases in the law, there are a few exceptions, but in most cases in the law, having the court try to

00:24:38.780 decide the emotional state or mental motivations of people who are promulgating rules, especially

00:24:46.980 within the military, is just inappropriate. That's not how law is supposed to work. We write down our

00:24:53.320 laws and we decide whether or not they have been satisfied. So even if she personally detects animus in

00:25:00.200 that or thinks that it was hateful, with a few exceptions that absolutely do not obtain here,

00:25:05.680 it doesn't matter. She doesn't get to make that call. Couldn't agree more. All right, let's move

00:25:12.120 on because there are other cases to get to. And there's a lot of lawfare being unleashed against

00:25:15.960 Trump. It is obviously the ACLU's slash lefts, but I repeat myself, favored tool in stopping the Trump

00:25:24.500 agenda. You had quickly a decision from a judge. This guy, too, was an Obama judge last night saying

00:25:31.900 some of the cuts made by Doge and Elon Musk at USAID must be reversed. You have to restore access to

00:25:41.600 emails and computers for these employees. Basically, anything that came from Musk or Doge

00:25:46.520 has been undone, saying he's a non-confirmed government appointee, executive branch appointee,

00:25:53.580 and therefore his decisions had to be struck down because the judge finding he needed to be Senate

00:25:59.160 confirmed to be doing this. Look, I don't want to spend time on that one because the effect of that

00:26:03.900 is Marco Rubio just needs to make all the same decisions and he'll be fine. All the same things

00:26:08.200 are about to happen. It's just Marco Rubio, who is Senate confirmed, 99 to 0, by the way,

00:26:13.000 will now make those same decisions. They're basically saying Elon was ahead of his skis on exercising

00:26:18.280 certain powers. He needs to be more of a reviewer and a recommender as opposed to an executioner of

00:26:24.340 his specific findings and recommendations. Okay, so that's that. Then we have to move on to what's

00:26:29.880 happening with the Tren de Aragua members accused who Trump deported to El Salvador, which is a pretty

00:26:39.660 effective deterrent. Warning to Tren de Aragua members, now may not be the best time to try to sneak

00:26:47.960 across the border and enter the United States because there's a new sheriff in town and his

00:26:52.400 name is Tom Homan and he will track you down and he will put you on a plane. And before you know it,

00:26:56.740 you will be in this prison in El Salvador. Good luck to you. I have zero sympathy for any of them.

00:27:05.500 But a big legal dispute has unfolded over whether Trump has the right to do this. Now,

00:27:11.220 first, let's spend a moment on the judge. His name is Brosberg. He is in the D. These are all

00:27:18.680 D.C. district court judges, federal district court judges in Washington, D.C., because that's where the

00:27:22.840 government's based. He was an Obama appointee. And there's a very interesting question being raised

00:27:28.880 online about whether his he should have recused himself from this case to begin with. And I'll tell

00:27:37.060 you, I've got my own questions about it. Laura Loomer, who, you know, she's said some things that

00:27:42.740 are not true and that are conspiratorial, but she said a lot that is true. She is not wrong just

00:27:47.740 because she's controversial. And we'll find out. We'll update the audience. But she went and we

00:27:53.320 believe what she did is she looked at his confirmation hearing to see what he said about

00:27:58.260 himself. And it looks to us like at his confirmation hearing, he did confirm that he has

00:28:03.060 two daughters, twins, one of whom is named Catherine. It looks like Catherine's age right

00:28:13.940 now would be 24 or 25. And that dovetails with the picture that we have of the alleged Catherine

00:28:21.680 Roseberg, who is being accused in this exclusive thread by Laura Loomer of working for a 501c3 called

00:28:28.640 Partners for Justice, which gives criminal illegal aliens and gang members legal advice. Partners for

00:28:35.660 Justice strongly opposes mass deportations and legislation start targeting members of criminal

00:28:40.520 gangs and has been a vocal critic for the Lincoln of the Lincoln Riley Act. Loomer reports. You can see

00:28:48.060 in a screenshot she she posts that Catherine Boesberg and we think it's the same Catherine Boesberg,

00:28:53.560 but that does need to be confirmed. But Boesberg is an unusual name and it's spelled in both

00:28:57.060 cases. B-O-A-S-B-E-R-G tweeted out an article celebrating Judge Boesberg's blocking Trump's

00:29:03.880 deportations of Venezuelan gangbangers. And this would be Catherine Boesberg's boss. She tweeted out

00:29:10.920 her name is Emily Galvin Almanza. That was rightly quick. Trump administration live updates judge

00:29:16.340 orders halt on deportations of Venezuelans under wartime law. The, you know, the problem here

00:29:22.980 potentially is that this judge's daughter could potentially be hurt in her employment by a

00:29:31.280 substantial reduction in crime rates, in caseloads involving that, you know, that keep Partners for

00:29:38.240 Justice busy relating to gangs and deportations. And so there is a possibility that this judge

00:29:44.960 inappropriately sat on this case or at least violated an ethical canon by not disclosing that

00:29:51.440 his daughter has an active role in protecting gang members and illegals from deportation. Let's just

00:29:58.980 start there, Rich, with all those qualifiers. Your take on it. Well, let's put a pin on that and see what

00:30:06.080 the facts are. He is a Obama appointee. His view of the law constitution, not not mine, but he has a pretty

00:30:13.660 good reputation. Now, this case, it involves a couple of things we've seen before. One, the Trump folks

00:30:20.640 kind of rummaging through current statutes to find things that give them the authority they want to

00:30:25.620 do on deportations or on the border. This was quite effective in the first term. There was a migrant

00:30:30.420 crisis, small scale compared to what we saw under Biden. In Trump's first term, Trump was tearing his

00:30:35.940 hair out. How can we possibly stop this? You had Stephen Miller and others going and looking at current

00:30:41.220 authorities and using them in a creative and lawful way to create the system that Biden then ripped up.

00:30:47.360 But that that had succeeded and basically stopping border crossings. Now, here they're going back to

00:30:53.820 the the 18th century. And there's nothing wrong with that necessarily. Right. 18th century has

00:30:57.920 a lot of good things, including the United States Constitution. But it also involves what we're

00:31:02.840 talking about in the first segment, determination by the president of the United States, what national

00:31:07.440 security is, what's an invasion, whether we're at war. And here I do think they're they're pushing the

00:31:13.720 envelope. You know, maybe they're banking on maybe they'll be right. The Supreme Court ultimately just

00:31:19.120 say, look, you're the chief executive. You're the president. You say it's a act of war. These gangs

00:31:23.420 coming into the United States. We're not going to to contradict you. But I'm not sure that's going to

00:31:29.200 be the case. And what the judge is asking here basically is just to freeze things in place. It wasn't

00:31:34.540 like Judge Ali, you know, and one of those early USAID cases. They got to spend all this money,

00:31:40.940 you know, billions of dollars of money in 36 hours or whatever it was. It's just let's hold these

00:31:45.640 people. So at least I can hear the merits here. So on this one, I wouldn't have gone to war with

00:31:52.180 them. But but they have. I think, Charlie, that you and I may disagree on on the propriety of Judge

00:31:59.880 Boesberg holding the hearings on this and thinking that he can second guess the Trump

00:32:05.220 administration on this. And that's that's fine. We can get into that. But my own position is

00:32:09.100 if you look at the wording, first of all, let's understand this. Trump has already changed

00:32:15.260 expedited removal. They've already expanded the scope of expedited removal. So let's forget for

00:32:20.160 table for a moment. The Alien Enemies Act expedited removal has been used by all administrations

00:32:27.140 in certain cases to just return people at the border. Get out. You crossed over. Congratulations.

00:32:33.380 You swam the Rio Grande. Goodbye. I don't care. Get out. We can see that you're an illegal and you

00:32:39.600 sneaked in here. Goodbye. Well, he has expanded the use of expedited removal. It used to be within

00:32:45.040 100 miles of the border and 14 days of their arrival to anywhere in the country against any

00:32:50.200 person who's, quote, undocumented, who can't prove they've been here for continuously two years.

00:32:57.140 All right. So Trump's already done that, saying that's how Tom Homan's going into these

00:33:01.480 communities and saying, you're done. You're out. I don't have to give you a hearing. You're just

00:33:06.580 leaving. Now, some have had hearings and just decided to stay because even when under the Biden

00:33:10.800 administration, they had hearings saying you have to leave. You don't qualify for asylum. We never

00:33:14.640 enforced it. We just turned them back out into America and let them live here. So those people are

00:33:19.380 also being ejected. And those might be some of the people who are on one of those planes Trump sent to

00:33:24.440 El Salvador. At least that's what the administration is claiming, that they're not all ejected under

00:33:28.860 Alien Enemies Act. Some were ejected under good old fashioned immigration laws. They'd already been

00:33:32.780 told to leave and they overstayed. OK, so in any event, if expedited removal can allow Tom Homan to go

00:33:38.340 grab somebody in Colorado and kick them out, why why is there any controversy over this at all? Why are we

00:33:47.460 even arguing Alien Enemies Act? I does. That's my number one thought. My second thought is, OK,

00:33:53.840 but we are. The administration has said Alien Enemies Act 1798. It's a law that was written by

00:34:00.760 the very founders who drafted the Constitution applies. And that law says if there's been a declared

00:34:07.120 war or if the country is suffering from an invasion or an incursion by a potential enemy's force,

00:34:16.240 the president has the authority to deport the people associated with it without due process.

00:34:23.560 It's really what it says. There's no hearing required. You can just throw them out. And Trump

00:34:28.540 is relying not really on the war. He's relying on invasion or incursion. And if you look at the

00:34:35.380 statute, which I did pull, invasion or incursion, how do we determine? Like, obviously, act of war

00:34:42.580 declared. That's by Congress. You have to look to see if Congress had declared a war. Invasion or

00:34:46.760 incursion says as declared by the president. So the enabling statute here passed by Congress at the

00:34:54.600 time of the founding fathers says the president gets to decide whether it's an invasion or an

00:35:00.720 incursion. And once he's declared that, which he has here, he may deport people without due process,

00:35:08.000 which is why I believe he did. He was well within his rights to do what he did. And I think the rest

00:35:13.800 of that enabling statute, Alien Enemies Act, kicks in, which says there is no power of judicial review

00:35:20.480 under these circumstances. Now you go.

00:35:23.920 Well, a few things. We're talking about the Alien Enemies Act because Donald Trump has invoked it.

00:35:28.420 In other words, he has conceded by doing that that he needs a power to be conferred upon him by

00:35:33.860 Congress. And that's the one he's chosen. The law in question, as you say, has two sections. One of

00:35:41.820 them refers to a declared war. Now, you said that the invasion had to be declared by the president.

00:35:47.660 Is that the word declared or is it announced? Either way, I'll look it up. I'll give it to you.

00:35:53.700 The argument that was made by Stephen Miller. Hold on, hold on. The president must make public

00:36:00.360 proclamation of the event. Exactly. And that matters, Megan, because there is a difference

00:36:06.540 between declaring a war, which is a congressional function, and proclaiming something which can be

00:36:12.860 an action done by someone else. Now, I don't know the answer to this. I'm not pretending that I am

00:36:18.200 the oracle, but I do know this. The act in question has been invoked only three times, and they were

00:36:24.480 all during wars that were declared by Congress. In 1948, this law went to the Supreme Court, because

00:36:33.800 three years after hostilities had ceased with Germany, Harry Truman, who had become president after

00:36:41.500 Franklin Roosevelt, was still using the Alien Enemies Act to expel Germans. Now, the Supreme Court

00:36:48.040 looked at it, and they said that the decisions of Harry Truman were non-justiciable. In other words,

00:36:54.600 that the courts could not get involved. But that case did not address the invasion clause that you

00:37:00.620 mentioned. It only dealt with declared war. At the time in 1948, Congress still had a declaration of war

00:37:09.080 active against Germany that was not repealed until 1951. And what the court effectively said is,

00:37:14.160 this is a political question. Because there was a war declared, because there was a war fought,

00:37:19.940 and because that war created all of these offshoots and consequences, it would be wrong,

00:37:24.500 I think this is correct, for the Supreme Court to determine when the war was over, especially given

00:37:29.160 that Congress had not done that itself. They have never had a decision that related to the invasion

00:37:36.480 clause. Now, it is possible that if they did, they would find that that was also non-justiciable,

00:37:41.900 and the determination of an invasion was solely up to the discretion of the president.

00:37:46.800 But to get there, you're going to have to have a court case. And the core argument that is being

00:37:53.340 made here is that it was inappropriate for this judge to get involved in this, given that the issue

00:38:00.220 is or should be non-justiciable. But I don't think that that is obvious at all. If we're going to find

00:38:05.140 out that this is non-justiciable, we're going to have to have an argument about it that probably goes

00:38:09.480 all the way up to the Supreme Court, which is what I think we are now seeing happen.

00:38:13.860 So I'm not upset about this. I would also note, as Jack Goldsmith pointed out, that even in that

00:38:19.760 1948 case, there were some elements of the law that the court said were within its purview. For example,

00:38:26.520 it said that the court was allowed to decide whether or not the people who were being deported

00:38:31.120 fit the bill. Were they old enough? Were they enemy competence? And so on.

00:38:35.200 Not whether or not there was a war, not whether or not the law could be invoked,

00:38:38.740 but whether the individuals in question were appropriately set. And I think what you're

00:38:47.980 seeing here is the judiciary saying, hang on a minute, we're dealing with individuals.

00:38:53.220 The Constitution protects due process for persons, not citizens, in all manner of ways.

00:38:58.860 There is no obvious precedent here. We need to litigate this. And you can't do that when a

00:39:04.260 plane is in the air and it's on its way out to a high security prison. So I'm less upset about this.

00:39:11.960 Now, do I think that the vast majority of the people to whom this is being applied are likely

00:39:16.700 terrible, terrible people? Yeah. Do I want them deported? Yeah. Would I like to get rid of every

00:39:21.280 illegal immigrant in the country? Yeah. Would I like to get rid of these ones in particular via a

00:39:25.400 trebuchet? You're damn straight, I would. But the argument here, I think, is different than the

00:39:31.320 argument that I've made and you've made about the vast majority of these solitary judges who have

00:39:36.680 tried to impede the Trump agenda. Most of those are doing so with no basis in the law whatsoever,

00:39:41.740 basically out of political animus. And this is not the case here. So I have more time for this one

00:39:47.840 than you. I have a problem with this judge. I don't agree that he can debate the propriety of the

00:39:56.540 individual. I really don't. I think once you determine that it's a male from Venezuela over

00:40:00.380 14, it's not for him to determine whether they're a gang member or not. That's up to

00:40:05.060 Holman and Trump. But the court is allowed to do that bit. That's what the Supreme Court case is.

00:40:09.080 Yes, for sure. And even the DOJ has acknowledged that. Even the DOJ in its filings has acknowledged

00:40:14.560 that, that there is a very bare minimum of inquiry that this judge is allowed to do. But they're

00:40:20.020 arguing that he far exceeded his remit. And the, the, the notion that a, an unelected federal

00:40:26.520 district judge could turn around two planes in the air, carrying gang members from Venezuela out of

00:40:34.560 the United States. Again, Stephen Miller raises some very good points without knowing what the fuel

00:40:38.760 supply is without knowing what the wake time hours of the crew and the pilot are without understanding

00:40:45.280 whether there was a safe place for them to turn around in international airspace. The hubris of

00:40:50.560 this man to think he could do it. And by the way, he's making a big deal out of the fact that he

00:40:55.700 issued an oral ruling early Saturday saying, don't let those planes take off. And he didn't write it

00:41:01.240 down until later in the day. And he wants, he thinks they should have complied with the oral ruling.

00:41:06.140 But if you actually look at the civil rules of the rules of civil procedure, there is a requirement

00:41:12.740 that you write down, especially when it comes to TROs, that you write down what you're mandating.

00:41:17.900 So I think that's why ultimately the judge abandoned what that, what had been done after

00:41:22.660 his oral ruling. But the left-wing media won't tell you that. They ran with, oh, he, or he issued

00:41:26.580 the oral reading or oral ruling early in the day. No, but the one that Matt governs is the written

00:41:31.720 ruling. But how else do we litigate this? I mean, you've got on behalf of the plaintiffs here,

00:41:36.960 you've got two statutory claims and a constitutional claim, and maybe the Trump administration will prevail

00:41:41.840 and maybe it should. But the people in question, although again, I'm sure most of them are

00:41:47.140 terrible, are allegedly in this gang. They have been accused of being in this gang. If you are a

00:41:53.000 judge, and this comes to you, and you don't have a definitive Supreme Court ruling on this because

00:41:58.180 of the distinction between declared war and an invasion, and you have two statutory questions

00:42:02.580 being made, plus a constitutional question, does the act in and of itself violate due process when

00:42:08.500 used in this way? I don't know what you do other than involve yourself.

00:42:13.040 But you're saying the distinction between declared war and invasion in a way that would

00:42:17.700 undermine the Trump administration's argument right now, it only helps. It only helps the Trump

00:42:22.120 administration's argument right now. Declared war would undermine them because they don't have

00:42:26.340 a declared war against Venezuela right now, not by Congress. But incursion or invasion, as I read to

00:42:32.320 you, the statute says the president makes public proclamation of the event. That's all that's required.

00:42:36.200 The president makes public proclamation. He did. He did that. There's no question.

00:42:40.340 But it doesn't say, right, but it doesn't, the Supreme Court case that the judge is obliged to

00:42:45.360 follow as a lower court judge does not say what to do in a case where there is no declared war,

00:42:51.600 because the 1948 case involved a declared war by Congress. There's never been an instance.

00:42:56.280 I know, but that's a higher burden. That's a higher burden of proof that was met in that case.

00:43:01.160 This is lower. There's no question that there's been a public proclamation. And then,

00:43:04.920 and it won't take long for a judge to see that that had happened. And then once you get to that,

00:43:10.180 you look at, you look at that 1948 decision and you say, you see that they say it is not

00:43:17.380 justiciable. And they go on to say, there are all sorts of reasons how that will end,

00:43:21.780 Charlie, to your point, in very bad results. It will end in the denial of due process. And it will end

00:43:27.040 in people who maybe aren't Trenda Aragua getting deported on the plane. But that's too bad. That's,

00:43:33.020 that this just isn't an area in which a president can be second guessed.

00:43:38.000 But that's not what that case is. The case applies to declarations of war. I think your

00:43:42.940 argument is a very strong one that could well prevail in a court. But that portion of the law

00:43:48.660 has never been litigated. The law has never in history been used outside of a declared war.

00:43:53.940 So I hear you. I just don't see how that undermines my argument.

00:43:57.640 Well, because for example, in the case that went to the Supreme Court, declaration of war was

00:44:03.680 determined by the court to mean by Congress. Presidential proclamation has no court adjudicated

00:44:10.180 meaning, which means when a plaintiff goes to the court, it's got a plain meaning.

00:44:13.680 Does it?

00:44:16.520 Yes. Listen to the statute. Listen to the, listen to the, listen to the, the statute quote,

00:44:21.820 whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government

00:44:27.980 or, okay. So, so, or they're separating or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated,

00:44:36.760 attempted or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government.

00:44:41.100 And the president makes public proclamation of the event. That's it. It has to have happened.

00:44:46.380 And the president has to have made public proclamation of it. They separated it out from

00:44:50.280 declared war. The declared war is a much higher standard proclamation. We're going around and

00:44:55.400 around on this. But, well, we're not, but the point I'm making is that even that standard is subject

00:45:02.420 to a whole bunch of questions. For example, is that a constitutional delegation of power?

00:45:07.520 I'm sorry to interrupt you. Let me give you this point.

00:45:10.440 I, cause I understand what you're saying. So I just want to advance it and then I'll give it back

00:45:14.000 to you. There, there is something called, as you know, cause you're a constitutional scholar,

00:45:18.180 though, not a lawyer, but you are a constitutional scholar. I listened to you and read you enough to

00:45:21.300 know you are, uh, called the political question doctrine. And we don't allow courts to decide

00:45:27.400 political questions because they don't have the expertise or authority to, to decide them.

00:45:32.780 That's what this is. That's, that's really why the alien enemies act says when it comes to these

00:45:37.660 certain things, it's just the president's call. And we are not going to have federal district

00:45:41.220 court judges second guessing the commander in chief on these issues. That's why it's not a,

00:45:46.760 what, by what criteria is judge Roseberg going to decide whether this was an incursion or an

00:45:53.640 invasion? It's not for him to do.

00:45:55.780 But the law does not say that it's non-justiciable. The Supreme court said that one portion of the

00:46:02.020 law is non-justiciable in part. And my point is that while the argument you're advancing is,

00:46:06.760 that's what it says.

00:46:08.360 You're saying one portion.

00:46:09.040 No, the whole thing is very narrow.

00:46:10.140 It doesn't say only the thing we're talking about is, no, they were interpreting the alien

00:46:13.960 enemies act. They did not say, and we make a distinction as between declared wars and incursions.

00:46:19.040 Every time in the 1948 case that the non-justiciability of the law is referred to, it is

00:46:24.720 within the context of a declared war. What I'm saying is that if you are a judge and you have

00:46:31.200 been brought this case and you have presented to you quite a lot of novel questions, including

00:46:38.680 constitutional ones. Again, I think your interpretation could well prevail, but there are all manner

00:46:44.820 of laws, especially older laws that include unconstitutional delegations of power that

00:46:51.140 the courts under current precedent would strike down. So if you are that judge, if we had a war

00:46:57.380 with Venezuela, your role would have been to say, I'm sorry, this has been settled. This case is not

00:47:02.300 for the judiciary. I can't do anything about it. Go away. But that's not what happened here. And

00:47:07.240 that's why I, and I think Andy McCarthy, although I don't want to speak for him, have some time for

00:47:11.240 the fact that this is now going to work itself up the chain. No, that's fine. I understand that,

00:47:15.560 but it's going to work itself up the chain because there are a whole host of novel questions.

00:47:22.260 Okay. Yeah. It's one of the rare times where I really disagree strongly with, with Andy and,

00:47:26.300 and maybe I'll be proven wrong. You're always on dangerous ground when you're disagreeing with

00:47:29.120 Andy McCarthy, but I do strongly. Um, the thing is, Rich, the political question doctrine is

00:47:35.440 something that the American people understand. You guys should just keep going. No, you guys should

00:47:38.520 keep going. I was learning so much. I was like, and then every time you talk, I was like, Megan's

00:47:41.540 right. And then Charlie said, no, Charlie's right. Well, we'll get Andy and Mike Davis on here and

00:47:47.820 then we'll, um, but the, I think the American public understands the political question doctrine,

00:47:53.500 even if they don't know that that's what they're understanding. They understand that the commander

00:47:56.800 in chief has certain inherent powers that, that the Congress may not, and that the judges may not

00:48:01.860 second guess like being commander in chief and deciding how many resources to devote to a certain

00:48:08.180 war. You know, there are certain things you would, you, everyone would be outraged,

00:48:11.920 but if a judge tried to second guess, it's not your turn anymore.

00:48:19.480 He can't help himself. Um, and, and this is one of the problems in the judge trying to turn around

00:48:25.420 flights that had already left us airspace. Yeah. Well, in terms of the politics, obviously this,

00:48:32.080 this is good for the Trump administration. All you need to know, and all most people will know is

00:48:36.620 that have limited time to focus on this is the president of the United States just deported

00:48:40.300 hideous gang members or alleged hideous gang members, most of whom probably are hideous gang

00:48:46.520 members to El Salvador and a judge tried to stop them. So they're with the Trump administration,

00:48:50.260 by the way, the president of El Salvador is a, you know, incredibly, give me more of these guys,

00:48:55.080 you know, no other foreign leader is, I want your gang members, but the president of El Salvador,

00:48:59.420 this is what I do. This is my core competency. So look, I have not, I have not followed this as

00:49:04.960 closely as, as you and Charlie have, but it, it, it seems to come down to me. Can the president

00:49:10.160 just, if there's any, just the slightest colorable, uh, argument that something's an invasion

00:49:15.840 occurs and can he just say it and no one else can countermand him? Right. And in that case,

00:49:20.400 he's going to win. This is beyond that. Right. But, but I don't think is, is it an evasion the way

00:49:25.900 we typically, um, define an invasion invasion? I mean, it's an incursion. We've got 10 to 12,

00:49:32.020 got 10 to 20 million illegals. Listen, rich, you got, I got to take a break, but, and we can

00:49:37.480 resume this on the other side, but I have to say you got almost a hundred thousand Americans who

00:49:41.240 died just last year from fentanyl, which is being brought across the border by these folks,

00:49:44.840 which is being made in the United States now by a lot of these folks. These labs are so easy to set

00:49:48.760 up and the fentanyl, the size of a grain of salt can kill many people. So we, you know, you have

00:49:56.660 actual American lives being cost to the tune of between 75 and a hundred thousand a year.

00:50:02.120 Number one cause of death for young people in America. Yes. You can absolutely say invasion

00:50:06.500 or incursion. Well, look, there are bad things that happen or terrible things or tragic things

00:50:12.280 that aren't the product of an enemy action, right? Is Venezuela ordering these gang members to come

00:50:18.260 into the United States to wage war against us? They opened their prison and knew they were coming here.

00:50:22.560 Well, that's, that's different than an invasion, right? That's not the Trump administration.

00:50:29.100 That's as far as Megyn Kelly's willing to go, but the Trump administration is saying that they were

00:50:34.160 sent here and, and they were asked that explicitly and said, yes, Venezuela did do it.

00:50:38.500 If there's a, there's, if there's a colorable case such that, you know, you find it reasonable,

00:50:43.200 can a judge just say, forget it. The president and I say it says it. So he's declared it. He's

00:50:47.260 proclaimed it in the story that, that may be the argument that, that prevails, but I'm with Charlie in

00:50:52.160 that it's a political question. Judge Broseberg doesn't get to decide whether Trump has accurately

00:50:59.080 deduced that there is an invasion. He's the commander in chief, not judge Broseberg. All

00:51:04.100 right. I'm sorry. I got to take a, I got it. I got to take a quick break. Great debate. You guys

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00:54:45.360 First of all, guys, can I just tell you, you know, I'm at the beach this week because my kids are on

00:54:49.060 spring break. Um, so this isn't, I'm not in my studio and I was asking if I could get a coffee in

00:54:54.780 here and this is what they brought me. This is so sad. Well, look at this tiny little, I said,

00:55:01.440 these people are obviously not in news. No self-respecting news person would ever just have

00:55:06.660 a tiny little espresso cup with a coffee. In any event, um, I need it just to keep up. Okay.

00:55:12.580 I got, I got this going Megan. So you can, you can envy me.

00:55:15.440 Yes, that's respectable. I appreciate that. Um, okay. Before we leave the topic of lawfare,

00:55:21.860 we have to talk about chief justice Roberts. So, so like I didn't know where yesterday,

00:55:28.640 I couldn't believe it. When I saw the statement circulating on X, I'm like, did he just drop this?

00:55:36.760 Like this wasn't in a case. It wouldn't know. He just decided now would be a good time to drop this.

00:55:42.420 Now I will say in his defense, but I'm, I, I'm not defending this. Trump tweeted out that judge

00:55:48.900 Boesberg should be impeached and, you know, said all the stuff. He's a hack, whatever.

00:55:54.080 Well, Trump Trump's done that. You know, he's constantly criticizing judges. This is not the

00:55:57.720 first judge he's done that to. Did anybody watch what happened during the law fair? Um,

00:56:02.140 so Roberts came out around noon yesterday with the following statement, quote,

00:56:07.000 for more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response

00:56:12.940 to disagreement concerning a judicial decision. The normal appellate review process exists for that

00:56:20.340 purpose. By the way, in a potentially ill-timed motion that came late in the day, there was a

00:56:28.200 congressman who moved to impeach judge Boesberg, which is, it's like a little, it's unfortunate when

00:56:33.840 you've done that. And then within moments, the chief justice has said, this isn't appropriate, but

00:56:37.660 it kind of gets to the very nature of what's wrong here, which is it's really not for chief justice

00:56:43.580 Roberts to say rich. I mean, I, I respect the chief justice. I respect what he does for the country,

00:56:49.160 but Congress is in charge of whether a judge gets impeached and it's really not any of his

00:56:55.860 damn business. Yeah, totally agree. By the way, this puts paid to the conspiracy theory that had a brief

00:57:02.020 life after the address to the joint session of Congress, where Trump said, you know, appreciate it.

00:57:07.660 on a hot mic to, to, uh, judge Robert, justice Roberts, you know, I always remember. And I was

00:57:13.500 like, Oh, it's the immunity decision that he's thanking him for where he actually look at the

00:57:17.080 full tape. He's thanking everyone as he goes down the line here, generals and other justices. So

00:57:22.980 and Trump leader said he was saying he was thanking the chief justice in those words for swearing him

00:57:27.580 in. So this was, this is really, really dumb. Cause one, he's not going to get impeached,

00:57:34.520 right? So there's, there's not, maybe you can make the case if, if he's on the verge of getting

00:57:39.380 impeached the first time, the judge is going to get impeached for not, you know, corruption, but for,

00:57:44.200 for one of his, his rulings or actions, maybe the chief justice would feel compelled to speak out, but

00:57:49.640 he's just responding to a Trump criticism of this judge, which was lurid and over the top and all,

00:57:55.740 all caps and calling for him to be impeached. But if the chief justice is going to get into the business

00:58:00.400 of rebutting the president of the United States, every time he criticizes a judge, the chief justice

00:58:04.860 is never going to shut up, right? He's going to be very busy. And these are cases that are going to

00:58:09.200 come up to him and his court. So what if he, you know, this didn't happen. Trump didn't take the

00:58:14.340 debate, but what happens if Trump hits back at the chief justice, right? And you get a war between the

00:58:20.100 president, a war of words between the president and the chief justice. You speak, if you're a justice of

00:58:25.240 the court, you should, uh, you know, they do book tours and whatnot, but you should speak largely

00:58:29.860 through your opinions, your well-considered opinions, when you've considered everything

00:58:34.480 carefully has come up to you appropriately. And it's something in your ambit, that's your role.

00:58:39.940 So this, this was, uh, at the very least imprudent from the chief justice.

00:58:45.480 And not only that, Charlie, but judge Bosberg is a big boy. He's the chief judge in the district of

00:58:51.120 Columbia. It's right underneath the DC circuit court of appeals. He can take the president's mean

00:58:56.460 tweets and he can handle a congressman saying he ought to be impeached and starting impeachment

00:59:01.460 proceedings, which Rich is right. We'll go nowhere. Why is chief justice John Roberts protect

00:59:06.300 pretending like he's got to be the daddy of this judge or any other when he's been remarkably silent

00:59:13.480 when justices came under death threats, when Chuck Schumer was on the steps of the Supreme court

00:59:19.600 threatening them that they would reap the whirlwind when judge Aileen Cannon was being attacked

00:59:25.460 relentlessly for handling the Mar-a-Lago documents case, including threats of impeachment. I don't

00:59:30.720 remember him releasing statements, setting the record straight on how, uh, an errant federal

00:59:36.840 district judge ought to be handled back then. So I guess I'm just belligerent today, Megan,

00:59:42.240 cause I disagree with you both on this as well. First off, after Schumer made that terrible

00:59:48.840 statement about the whirlwind, Roberts did put out a statement. He condemned it and made a similar

00:59:55.020 statement to the one he made yesterday. So he does have doing this. Yeah. So first off,

01:00:01.020 I think it's consistent with the way that he's acted as chief justice. Second, if it's inappropriate

01:00:05.880 for someone who doesn't work for the legislative branch to opine on impeachment, then it's inappropriate

01:00:11.720 for Donald Trump to do it. So if Donald Trump comes out as the head of the executive branch and

01:00:17.900 says we should impeach justices, well, it's reasonable in response, in my view, for the head

01:00:24.080 of the judicial branch to say, no, you shouldn't. The Congress is, of course- Why? You of all people,

01:00:32.780 you love the constitution. This is a, this is a remedy. Congress has the right to impeach federal judges.

01:00:36.840 Right. But John Roberts did not say that it is illegal for Congress to impeach it. He didn't say

01:00:44.460 that if Congress impeaches- Well, it's been established that it's not an appropriate response.

01:00:49.280 No, what he said was actually correct constitutionally and historically. It's not that

01:00:54.180 Congress cannot impeach justices or judges if they want to. It's that they should not do so

01:01:01.940 on the grounds of pure disagreement. I mean, we presumably all think this because we,

01:01:08.400 the three of us, spent four years railing righteously against the Democrats for trying to

01:01:14.580 pack the court simply because they didn't like the opinions of the majority. Congress can pack the

01:01:20.440 court. It's allowed to do that. But it's totally reasonable for people to say, don't pack the court

01:01:26.200 just because you don't like Clarence Thomas or you don't like Alito. So I think for the judiciary

01:01:32.980 to say, hey, we don't do that. We don't impeach people based on their opinions only for being

01:01:41.340 wildly corrupt or what you were- That is for the Democrats in Congress to say. That's what the

01:01:47.920 Democrats should say in response to this motion to impeach that's been filed by this Republican

01:01:53.280 congressman. He's not Democrat in chief and he's not the daddy. This is one of the problems with

01:01:59.180 Chief Justice John Roberts. He's not the daddy of the judiciary. He's not. His oath is to uphold the

01:02:05.240 constitution. And he too often, must we go back to Obamacare, decides to maneuver in a way that would

01:02:13.300 protect the court as opposed to in a way that would uphold the oath. You'll find no argument from me if

01:02:20.260 you want to criticize some of John Roberts' opinions. But I think that if you look at the

01:02:24.920 presumption undergirding our constitutional order, it's that ambition will counteract ambition and each

01:02:30.440 branch will protect itself. And actually, the big problem that we have at the moment is that that

01:02:35.380 is very often not true. So to me, when I see someone like Trump criticize the judiciary, although

01:02:41.840 I think he's sometimes wrong on the merits and I don't often like the way that he does it,

01:02:45.760 that's fine. When I see, I wish we'd see more of it, Congress criticizing the president,

01:02:51.820 including the president's use of powers that the president has and indisputably is able to

01:02:57.220 exercise. I think that's fine. And if I see the judiciary defending itself and saying, actually,

01:03:01.680 no, even if it's not true, actually, no, this judge is good and we don't talk like that and you

01:03:05.660 should not impeach us for our opinions. I think that's fine. I think that is Madisonian in nature.

01:03:10.140 Now, if those branches usurp the power of others or interfere in ways that are extra constitutional

01:03:15.780 or unconstitutional, then I will have a huge problem with it. But John Roberts chastising

01:03:20.820 Chuck Schumer in 2020 or responding to criticisms of Bozberg and calls for his impeachment, that just

01:03:27.380 doesn't bother me. It's very different. Speaking up against a threat, I mean, that's like a direct

01:03:31.880 threat against justices is one thing. I mean, I didn't remember that he did that, but that just knowing

01:03:37.480 it is completely appropriate because they were being threatened by the majority leader of the

01:03:41.940 Senate. But that's this is not what's happening. This is a procedure that's available to Congress

01:03:47.120 to impeach a rogue federal district judge, which is what many people think about Bozberg right here,

01:03:51.840 given the discussion that you and I just had. And it's not for John Roberts to weigh in. Maybe he'll

01:03:56.940 get his time on the Bozberg decision, but this is not the time. And I'll tell you, I agree more with

01:04:03.300 Mike Davis, who tweeted out the following. Dear Chief Justice John Roberts, for more than two

01:04:08.360 centuries, he's playing off of the words used by Roberts. It has been established that impeachment

01:04:13.660 is a political decision by Congress. An activist judge ordering planes to turn around during a national

01:04:19.360 security operation is not a judicial decision. It is a highly illegal and extremely dangerous sabotage

01:04:26.780 of the presidency, which is an impeachable offense. Your statement is not an appropriate response.

01:04:31.760 The normal impeachment process exists for that purpose. And here's just one more, which I would

01:04:36.800 love to ask you about, Rich. Julie Kelly writes for more than two centuries. Again, Congress has

01:04:42.320 abdicated its oversight role related to the federal judiciary, creating a crisis of confidence among the

01:04:50.340 American people that is quickly destroying trust in the third branch of government. And she fixed it for

01:04:56.520 you to Roberts. But I think that raises a very interesting point and captures the angst and

01:05:03.380 anger that so many Americans are feeling right now as these judges try to stop the Trump agenda

01:05:09.380 in its cradle with decisions like the one we kicked the show off with by Judge Reyes, right? That there is

01:05:18.660 a federal judiciary creating a crisis of confidence by overstepping their remit and then absolutely no

01:05:26.900 oversight role being exercised by Congress or by anybody else, you know, where that's that's her

01:05:33.760 frustration. And it's the frustration of a lot of Americans. Yeah. So first of all, I love this

01:05:38.100 National Review Day, Charlie versus Megan. It's I love I love the throwdown we're having here. Look,

01:05:43.900 I think Roberts is right on the merits. I don't think it'd be a good idea to just go go and impeach

01:05:48.560 judges for for their opinions unless, you know, they're they're mentally ill or or something or

01:05:54.820 or just not not competent to carry out their duties or the found gold gold bars in their

01:05:59.800 suit pockets the way Senator Menendez was. But I just don't think he should have said it. I don't

01:06:05.120 think it helps the standing of the Supreme Court that he's so concerned with justifiably. But Senate

01:06:12.640 confirms judges, right? That that is that is part of our our our system. But we're not going to we're

01:06:19.620 not going to impeach these judges. You know, there's never going to be the votes for it. So

01:06:22.740 this the end of the day, this is a real sideshow. Yeah, there's they're not going to be the votes

01:06:28.540 for it, but they're trying to make a point that he's way out over his skis. I mean, yesterday,

01:06:32.180 what we saw was the ACLU feeding him the questions that they wanted the DOJ to answer

01:06:36.180 about these planes. And he he just did it hook, line and sinker. This is what the ACLU wants to know.

01:06:41.320 You bet you better answer it. And so now we have the commander in chief removing gang members from

01:06:47.060 the country having to answer to the ACLU exactly when, where, why, who, all of it. And again,

01:06:54.480 it's very controversial, given the discussion that happened in the first hour of this show.

01:06:58.640 OK, on the subject of lawfare, one of the people that Trump is trying to deport is Mahmoud Khalil,

01:07:08.220 who was a Columbia University student who was the spokesperson for a very controversial group

01:07:14.240 on campus called the Columbia University Apartheid Divest Group. And that was the group that took

01:07:18.720 Hamilton Hall hostage, committed tons of property. I mean, we showed the video on Monday, but I mean,

01:07:24.100 less people forget, it was extremely riotous, broke the windows with hammers. They threatened Jewish

01:07:30.200 students. They didn't allow Jewish students to get from A to B on campus. We could go down the list,

01:07:34.440 but very controversial stuff. And he was their spokesperson saying, you divest from Israel,

01:07:38.500 Columbia, or you get more Hamilton Halls. That's how this is going to go. Now he wants to play the

01:07:43.360 victim. And the left is only to help, happy to help. He's got some 19 lawyers representing him for

01:07:48.580 free. Well, he decided to write a letter, guys, dated yesterday. It's long, but I'll read just a

01:07:55.200 couple of highlights. My name is Mahmoud Khalil, and I am a political prisoner. I write to you from a

01:08:01.580 detention facility in Louisiana where I wake to cold mornings and spend long days bearing witness

01:08:07.560 to the quiet injustices underway against a great many people precluded from the protections of the

01:08:13.660 law. Writes about how he was allegedly accosted along with his wife by the DHS agents. When he got

01:08:20.140 to 26 Federal Plaza, I slept on the cold floor. He's obsessed with the cold. You should go back to Syria.

01:08:25.560 It's very warm there. He's going to be much happier. In the early morning hours, agents transported me to

01:08:30.780 another facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey. There, I slept on the ground and was refused to blanket

01:08:36.460 despite my—I'm telling you, the man, he doesn't—he shouldn't be here. The Northeast in March is no

01:08:43.020 place for Khalil. My arrest was a direct consequence of exercising my right to free speech. It talks about

01:08:52.560 how he was born in a Palestinian refugee camp in Syria. My unjust detention is indicative of the

01:08:57.780 anti-Palestinian racism from both the Biden and Trump administrations, etc. Okay, he says

01:09:05.120 they're determined to support Israel with weapons to kill the Palestinians, blah, blah, blah.

01:09:11.400 He goes back to the racism. President Shafiq Armstrong—he's talking about the Columbia

01:09:15.400 authorities—and the dean laid the groundwork for the U.S. government to target me by arbitrarily

01:09:21.540 disciplining pro-Palestinian students arbitrarily, he says, and allowing viral doxing campaigns based

01:09:28.440 on racism and disinformation. Columbia targeted me for my activism, activism creating a new

01:09:35.180 authoritarian disciplinary office to bypass due process and silence students criticizing Israel.

01:09:41.260 That sounds just like Columbia, doesn't it? And then he ends it by saying the Trump administration's

01:09:46.920 targeting me as part of a broader strategy to suppress dissent, visa holders, green card carriers,

01:09:52.620 and citizens alike will all be targeted for their political beliefs. This comes as a U.S.

01:10:01.240 district court has just decided that they will not let this case be heard in the Southern District

01:10:10.960 of New York, which is what Khalil wanted, nor will they let it be heard in Louisiana,

01:10:16.660 which is what the DOJ wanted. They will have it be tried in the district court in New Jersey,

01:10:23.280 which was the government's fallback because they brought him to New Jersey after detaining him in

01:10:27.740 New York. So it's sort of a split-the-baby situation, but I think the Trump administration

01:10:31.620 is going to be happy with New Jersey over SDNY, which is pretty far left.

01:10:36.720 Your thoughts on whether he has been detained because of racism and Columbia worked to set

01:10:44.120 him up and deprive him of his right to free speech, guys?

01:10:49.920 Well, it's preposterous, but it's the political views you'd expect of this guy. At least it didn't

01:10:54.880 use the word that some have used to describe his dissension, which he's been taken hostage. I believe,

01:11:00.620 if I'm not mistaken, that might've been his wife's statement that was read from the courthouse steps

01:11:04.840 last week, which is just perverse from people who-

01:11:08.740 But not read by his wife, interestingly.

01:11:11.080 What's that?

01:11:12.580 But it wasn't read by his wife. It had a woman. Everybody thought that was the wife.

01:11:16.680 She read the wife's statement. It wasn't the wife.

01:11:19.140 Yeah, yeah. The statement was from the wife. It was read by someone else. But these are people

01:11:23.180 that have torn down flyers with pictures of Israeli hostages who've never said anything about Israeli

01:11:30.460 hostages who were literally, you know, pulled from their houses, their beds, their children,

01:11:36.480 held in dungeons. They're not just cold, right? Heinous acts of violence being perpetrated against

01:11:42.660 them. And this guy, who is an immigrant to the United States, as Marco Rubio has eloquently stated,

01:11:48.320 has no right to be here. Charlie can speak to this fulsomely, by the way. If you're an immigrant,

01:11:54.440 an illegal immigrant on a visa, tourist student visa, or even a green card holder, you are obsessed,

01:12:00.700 if you're a normal person, with abiding by every single law and rule. You don't want to park on the

01:12:07.360 wrong side of the street because of what might happen to you. And this guy, you know, there's a

01:12:12.020 cognizance of guilt, right? Megan, he said, well, I don't go in the media very much because I'm an

01:12:17.160 immigrant here and I might get in trouble. I don't want to get in trouble because who knows what could

01:12:21.180 happen, right? And it's happened. So it's entirely on him. And it kind of ties back to the first

01:12:25.780 segment on the trans issue. In the military, you don't have a right to be a member of the military.

01:12:30.060 And you don't, as a foreigner, have a right to be in the United States. So I'm sure it's not pleasant

01:12:35.980 to be in a dissension facility in Elizabeth, New Jersey, but he brought this on himself. And this is

01:12:41.640 something, I think it's a bit of a close call, but I think ultimately another theme in our discussion

01:12:47.280 today will be based on the determination of Marco Rubio, that it is against the national security

01:12:52.620 interests of the United States to have these protests creating a false image of what we are

01:12:58.680 and what our priorities are. And he was a leader in that effort. So goodbye.

01:13:03.540 I think you called that the king's card in your discussion with Andy on his podcast, which that's

01:13:08.580 well said. Yeah. But that's despite all the debates over the laws and the rules and the way you can

01:13:15.420 deport somebody, et cetera, that Marco Rubio has this ace in the hole, which says there is an

01:13:21.280 explicit statute saying the secretary of state can deport you if he thinks you pose a reasonable

01:13:25.340 threat to the foreign policy of the United States. That card has been played on Mahmoud Khalil. It's

01:13:31.200 over. And no one cares how cold he is without his blankie. He took this. He took the campus of

01:13:37.940 Columbia University hostage and acted as a spokesperson for the group that was threatening a lot more

01:13:44.100 mayhem, Charles. I mean, it doesn't matter whether it was actually charged as a crime by Alvin Bragg.

01:13:50.280 What he was doing very much looks like extortion and conspiracy under the criminal law to me. And you

01:13:57.360 don't even have to prove that. All you have to prove is Marco Rubio made a reasonable determination.

01:14:01.960 I think Marco Rubio's reasonable determination will prevail here. I do suspect this might take a while,

01:14:08.660 though, because there are a bunch of complicated questions that will come up the works. One is

01:14:14.840 whether or not what he engaged in was speech. I think a lot of it was not. But the half the country

01:14:21.880 thinks it was. And then there's the fact that he has become a green card holder. And a green card

01:14:27.680 holder is a US person, they can still be deported. But the criteria for deportation is much narrower. And of

01:14:35.800 course, he has an American wife who is pregnant. And I think she's eight months pregnant. So in one

01:14:40.400 month, he's going to be the father of an American citizen. No, well, it isn't. It's going to gum up

01:14:46.480 the works, though, I think. But I think Marco Rubio's explanation...

01:14:50.540 Here we go again, C-squared. Let's do this. It's irrelevant. It's something that he used to pull on the

01:14:56.000 heartstrings of the judge. But it has absolutely no legal relevance that you're married to an American

01:15:00.040 or about to have an American baby. Well, it doesn't. It doesn't in that we've been discussing

01:15:04.620 some judges who are bad, and who are willing to put themselves in the way of the Trump agenda based

01:15:12.320 on flimsy pretexts. And until you meet a judge, excuse me, a panel of judges who is not doing that,

01:15:20.340 then this is going to grind on. I mean, I think it could take a year as it winds its way through the

01:15:25.100 system. And I think some of the questions, and we'll find out who's right, I suppose,

01:15:29.720 but I think some of the questions that are going to be litigated here are what constitutes the rights

01:15:34.300 of a U.S. person, which is a green card holder, whether it matters that he was a U.S. person after

01:15:41.120 the various actions were taken. Well, no, but I mean, of course, U.S. person is a term of legal art,

01:15:49.180 which you know, but it's not synonymous with American citizen. It's not. I mean,

01:15:53.860 you're not allowed to get public benefits. You're not allowed to vote. There are all sorts of rights

01:15:57.820 that the three of us have as American citizens that he doesn't have. Correct. But for example,

01:16:03.580 and I'm not actually arguing with you here, even if I sound like it, but for example,

01:16:07.060 a U.S. person is allowed to own a gun. I know this having been a U.S. person before I became a

01:16:11.680 citizen. You can own a gun. And the Supreme Court has ruled that right of the people to keep and bear

01:16:16.480 arms applies to U.S. person. So there will be a judge. I promise you this. There is going to be a

01:16:22.060 judge who looks at this, says the First Amendment supersedes Marco Rubio's argument,

01:16:26.480 and that as a U.S. person, he is protected. Well, yeah, there could be a judge. And I should

01:16:31.240 point out that one of the reasons that Democrats and the left are getting all these favorable

01:16:37.600 rulings is because they're judge shopping. They're making sure that they file these cases in the most

01:16:42.240 leftist jurisdictions that they possibly can and trying to get, you know, a good judge. That's why

01:16:48.260 they wanted this case with Khalil to stay in the SDNY. It's why they're thrilled with Judge

01:16:52.960 Bosberg, Judge Chong, who just did the USAID ruling. All these people are left-wing appointed

01:17:01.760 judges, and so they're thrilled. But unfortunately for them, we have a Supreme Court that right now is

01:17:05.700 6-3 with the conservatives, notwithstanding Chief Justice John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett,

01:17:11.000 who's been slightly soft. So we'll see how she does. But I think in the end, I feel like Coney

01:17:17.440 Barrett will do the right thing. I don't know about the chief judge. And that's a 5-4 ruling

01:17:22.260 in President Trump's favor on, I think, most of his agenda, which will be ultimately upheld.

01:17:27.480 Okay, let's keep going. That's Khalil. He was not held because of racism. He was certainly not held

01:17:32.600 because of some discrimination by the Columbia University administrators. Good God, they let them

01:17:39.040 hold the university campus and abuse Jews for months. I mean, it just went on and on and on. And now

01:17:46.220 he's got the nerve to claim this is racism against him. It shows he's assimilated. He's assimilated

01:17:52.440 in that respect, Megan, right? It's the most American thing in the world to accuse our own

01:17:55.980 country of racism. Good point. We've got to spend a minute on, as long as we're talking about double

01:18:02.000 standards, Tesla and Tim Walsh. We've got to talk about Tesla and Tim Walsh. So Elon Musk's company

01:18:11.580 and Elon Musk are under attack from coast to coast. There's this new campaign to vandalize

01:18:19.720 Tesla vehicles, Tesla dealerships to key, you know, when you take your key and you scrape,

01:18:26.680 you scratch, which is very expensive to fix the side of a Tesla car. Some people are throwing

01:18:32.060 Molotov cocktails at the Tesla vehicles. And again, we've seen even vehicle dealerships

01:18:38.840 targeted. This is Elon Musk is quickly becoming the left's favorite target, even more so than

01:18:45.120 Hitler, fascist, orange man, bad Trump. And what we saw, what we're seeing now is some Democrats sound

01:18:54.560 awfully close to defending those attacks on Tesla and the dealerships. You know, they're smart enough

01:19:02.500 not to say that explicitly, but they're sounding awfully close. Before I get to Walsh, here's left

01:19:07.900 wing operative and Hillary Clinton BFF, Neera Tanden versus Scott Jennings on CNN last night.

01:19:15.340 And that's the American left right now. It is one angry mob after another willing to take things into

01:19:21.740 their own hands up to and including keying, firebombing and otherwise vandalizing cars and

01:19:27.420 car dealerships and charging stations. It's outrageous. So when they do it to a Tesla dealership,

01:19:33.620 it's really bad. But when they do it to the halls of Congress, we should pardon them. Is that your

01:19:39.060 position? No, I've never. Are you okay? I know you haven't been around for a while. So let me educate

01:19:44.900 you about my position about January 6th. I'm so sorry. Let me educate you. So let me educate you

01:19:50.060 about my position. You want to attack me? Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let's do

01:19:54.820 this January 6th. Yeah, I'm sorry. You're a condescending person who hasn't been paying

01:20:00.260 attention to what I do. I have repeatedly, just like my friend Ashley here, said that no violence

01:20:06.520 in our political system is acceptable. But this right here, what's going on with a guy who helps

01:20:11.780 our country, who runs successful companies, who doesn't have to be doing this. And now one of his

01:20:16.580 companies is under systematic terroristic threat and violence all over the country and people seem

01:20:22.000 to be laughing about it or fine with it. It's outrageous. Anyone who commits violence against

01:20:27.820 Tesla or Congress or anyone else should be put in jail a thousand percent. But that does not stifle

01:20:35.060 dissent or opposition from Elon Musk. Give it a little lip service. Give it a little both sides.

01:20:39.960 I'm so sorry to say that people are legitimately upset. They are legitimately upset at Elon Musk and

01:20:47.340 they're doing it on their own. But there is no reason to have violence in the country. But I just

01:20:51.520 wish all of us would support criticism of or would support punishing people who are violent wherever they

01:20:59.100 are. So they're very upset. They're legitimately upset. They're doing it on their own. And we should

01:21:07.760 really be condemning January 6th in this in this moment as well. Your thoughts on that one, Charles.

01:21:14.120 She just can't do it, can she? All she has to say, all she's obliged to say as the citizen of a free

01:21:20.940 republic is it is never acceptable to firebomb cars because you don't like the guy who owns the company

01:21:28.360 and she can't do it. Joe Biden, by the way, nominated her for a federal position. Thankfully,

01:21:33.720 the Senate shot it down. Joe Manchin, I think, saw sense. But she cannot do it. And that is because

01:21:42.580 at the root of modern American progressivism is the suspicion at best and the conviction at worst

01:21:53.200 that violence is sometimes justified, that riots are necessary, and that all these power dynamics and

01:22:01.060 hierarchies of grievances that we've been treated to for years justify what we see on the streets often

01:22:07.640 and hear at car dealerships. It's absolutely astonishing to me that she can't do it. And the

01:22:14.400 newspapers, incidentally, have published headlines over and over again that run a little bit like

01:22:20.600 Neera Tanden's answer there, which is suggesting that Elon Musk has angered people and therefore that

01:22:28.800 they can't be held responsible if they resort to violence. It's appalling.

01:22:35.380 Rich, we did have the almost vice president of the United States, Tim Walz, decide to weigh in on this.

01:22:44.580 And here's what he had to say in response to Elon Musk. I mean, obviously, in response to Elon and

01:22:50.820 what he's doing with the federal government and all that. But here's what he decided while

01:22:53.840 while Tesla's under attack, while Elon's under attack. This is his message yesterday.

01:22:58.420 I'm saying on my phone, I don't know, some of you know this on the iPhone,

01:23:01.080 they've got that little stock app. I added Tesla to it to give me a little boost during the day.

01:23:07.560 $2.25 and dropping.

01:23:11.420 So...

01:23:11.940 And if you own one, if you own one, we're not blaming you. You can take dental floss and pull

01:23:21.540 the Tesla thing off, you know, and take out of just telling you.

01:23:27.020 So your thoughts on that, as this is one of the largest American manufacturers and employers of

01:23:32.660 Americans that we have, but he's celebrating the drop in stock. This not to mention, as Elon Musk

01:23:38.400 rescues our two astronauts who were stuck on the International Space Station. It's just your thoughts.

01:23:43.260 Yeah, it's meant to punish and coerce Elon Musk. And this whole campaign is loathsome and

01:23:48.780 non-American. That's fine, obviously, to protest. If it's peaceful and lawful, it's fine to boycott.

01:23:54.380 You know, there's a boycott against Bud Light a year or two ago, but I don't remember Bud Light

01:23:58.080 delivery trucks getting Molotov cocktailed or 7-Elevens getting shot up. So this is a low-level,

01:24:05.580 you know, it's not hijacking planes, but it is a low-level form of domestic terrorism,

01:24:09.540 basic definition of which is violent acts that are ideologically motivated and meant to change

01:24:16.340 the course of a government or government policy. They want to make Elon Musk afraid. I don't think

01:24:23.420 he scares easily, but they want to make the people who work for him afraid. They want to make the

01:24:26.600 potential customers afraid. They want to make the people who own the cars afraid, right? The last

01:24:31.760 thing you want to think of is my car might be vandalized, right? This is an expensive vehicle.

01:24:38.000 So whenever the left talks about direct action, you need to take measures to protect your person

01:24:44.540 and your property. And that they're celebrating this or can't condemn it is utterly contemptible.

01:24:51.920 And speaking of the left's celebration of violence, here's another soundbite. This one

01:24:57.500 is still Tim Walz, but it's on Gavin Newsom's podcast Tuesday.

01:25:01.900 Okay. You got to respect people you disagree with, even, and you can't just dismiss people.

01:25:09.440 How do you fight it?

01:25:10.800 Well, this notion of tax.

01:25:12.160 I think I could kick most of their ass. I do think that.

01:25:14.780 I know I can not run them, but I don't know if we're going to fall into that place where we want

01:25:19.380 to, okay, we challenge you to a, you know, a WWE fight here type of thing.

01:25:24.940 But it is, it's a natural reaction. I think it's one of the reasons we're losing so many men. And again,

01:25:29.360 it's multi-ethnic. It's not just white men. Uh, we're losing them. We're losing them to these

01:25:33.740 guys online. That's why I brought, these are bad guys though. These are bad guys, but they exist

01:25:39.260 and we could deny they exist. They exist. Not only they exist, they persist and they're actually

01:25:43.980 influencing young kids every single day. How do we push some of those guys back under a rock?

01:25:49.000 I think we have to first understand what their motivations are. I think we have to understand

01:25:53.180 what they're actually doing. You don't think it's racism and misogyny?

01:25:56.500 Oh my God. There's so much in there. I'll start with you on it, Rich, since Charlie and I have

01:26:02.380 done a lot together that there's everything in there, right? Like I'm going to kick their ass.

01:26:08.280 Okay. Sure. Sure. Jan. Um, these are bad guys, the online influencers, he's clearly talking about,

01:26:15.320 you know, sort of the manosphere, uh, that helped get Trump elected. They're bad. And then the,

01:26:20.440 how do we kick them back under a rock? The leftist instinct to silence always there when it's not

01:26:26.480 their POV and then just the cherry on top. It's all, they're all racists and misogynists.

01:26:32.720 You couldn't like, if I, if I sent you into like a back room with a bot and you were to program it,

01:26:38.740 to say the things that the left believes about the right half of America, that's what you'd come out

01:26:42.340 with. Yeah. And that was the guy they selected. That was supposed to appeal to ordinary Americans and

01:26:47.480 to rural men, Tim, Tim Waltz. When he says push under a rock, it's consistent with what we heard

01:26:52.700 from him about the first amendment, where, which he totally doesn't understand and says that it

01:26:57.580 bans hate speech, right? So this is ultimately where they want to go. They, they, they want to

01:27:02.300 censor and coerce. So I'm not a big Gavin Newsom fan. Obviously the guy is way too slick, but the

01:27:09.980 project here, I don't know if sure was not sure whether it's going to work out for him politically,

01:27:13.600 but the project to at least understand that's a huge step forward. And that big debate between

01:27:19.440 Waltz and Newsom, Newsom is right. Let's understand what's going on and maybe find out a way to appeal

01:27:26.120 to these people. Once you know why they they've gone to what they consider the dark side, but Waltz is

01:27:31.880 with the left. No, they're horrible. They're racist. They're misogynist, nothing to learn, nothing to

01:27:38.040 understand. We're righteous and they need to go away. And that's the attitude. I mean, we've seen it for

01:27:43.580 a long time for the left, but it was the attitude that, that, uh, sunk Hillary Clinton in 2016 and

01:27:49.260 they're still not over it. That it's not solvable for them, Charles. Like it's, they can sit there

01:27:57.340 all day long. Tim Walls thinks the answer to losing young men as voters is for him to be like,

01:28:01.500 I'm going to kick some ass. I am going to kick the ass. I'm going to do it. Um, as opposed to the

01:28:08.660 way they talk about men, the way they talk about white men, their policies, when, when it comes to

01:28:14.280 white men, getting jobs and getting ahead and treating them like their second class citizens, not to

01:28:19.840 mention the irony of these two dudes, these two governors talking about like how we've lost all these

01:28:27.720 young male voters who are literally running the most insane leftist States in the union, when it

01:28:35.840 comes to the trans insanity and trans so-called trans children. I mean, like the policies walls is

01:28:43.220 the only one further to the left than Gavin Newsom. When it comes to what can be done with a child who

01:28:49.780 expresses gender confusion, he made Minnesota, a so-called trans sanctuary state where the, where the

01:28:55.980 state can rest custody from a parent who won't quote a firm Gavin Newsom right there. I mean, a sliver

01:29:04.460 behind him in California. And these two are like, well, we just had to figure out how we're losing

01:29:10.260 voters, especially men by the droves. Gee, maybe we need to have more tough talk about kicking ass.

01:29:17.540 Yeah. It will never cease to be weird that having put together a ticket that consisted of Kamala Harris

01:29:24.700 and Tim Walz. The Democrats went on a two week offensive where they described verbatim JD Vance

01:29:32.240 as being weird. Tim Walz is one of the most weird people I've ever seen in politics. I've lived in

01:29:39.520 two countries. I've spent some time in a third, France, which is well known for having strange

01:29:45.060 politicians. And Tim Walz may well take the cake. He also can't decide there, which I think is

01:29:50.520 genuinely interesting, whether or not he wishes to condemn what he sees as toxic masculine men,

01:29:59.720 or emulate them. It's an odd thing to do to say, we need to put them under the rock. They're bad

01:30:05.880 people. Those sort of men have no place effectively in our politics. But to start the segment saying,

01:30:12.940 I'm going to kick their ass. Because the vast majority of the people he's talking about would not

01:30:17.340 say that. Now, if you threaten their girlfriend, they'll tell you they'll kick your ass. But they

01:30:22.440 wouldn't start with that. There wouldn't be the opening gambit. So he seems somewhat confused as

01:30:27.400 to whether he wants to eradicate them or to become them. This is such a good point. This reminds me of

01:30:34.040 there was a friend that Doug and I had. It was someone I knew professionally. And we wondered whether

01:30:42.660 he was gay because he never had girlfriends and he was a very good looking guy. And just there were a

01:30:48.700 lot of gay men in our lives. Our friends were like, is he gay? Is he gay? Anyway, he used to run around

01:30:54.900 and say to Doug and to our other like male friends, when he had an alleged girlfriend, like,

01:31:02.080 she looks amazing naked. You should see her naked. And Doug and his guy friends would say,

01:31:07.480 that's not how straight men talk past the age of 19. Right? Like, that too is gay is really what

01:31:15.040 they're saying. I think you're on to something there about Tim Walls, right? Like, actual tough

01:31:22.100 guys, not like, I'm going to kick his ass. I'm going to kick their ass based on nothing.

01:31:27.560 You know, who else did it a lot was and I'm not suggesting anything. Joe Biden, right? He's this

01:31:33.280 tottering old man. He'd barely stand up anymore. And he'd be talking to her. I'll, you know,

01:31:37.100 I'll take you down. You know, let's have a pushup contest. It's this false bravado and masculinity

01:31:43.200 overcompensating. So true. Um, okay. I'm still stuck on my story. I saved this one. I really want

01:31:54.900 Charles's viewpoint on this because I think you're both are going to like it. And I think you've both

01:31:59.120 heard it, but I really want to hear what Charlie has to say to another Charlie. This one goes by

01:32:04.220 Chuck, his last name Schumer, and he appeared on the view and had some real thoughts on the evils

01:32:11.160 of the right in his view. Here he is in Sot 5.

01:32:17.320 It's a different kettle of fish than it used to be. And that's why we're fighting them so hard.

01:32:22.400 They are controlled by a small group of wealthy, greedy people. And you know what their attitude is?

01:32:28.480 I made my money all by myself. How dare your government take my money from me? I don't

01:32:33.800 want to pay taxes. Or I built my company with my bare hands. How dare your government tell me how

01:32:39.640 I should treat my customers, my, um, the land and order water that I own, uh, or my employees.

01:32:46.400 They hate government. Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to stop them from doing things.

01:32:52.400 They want to destroy it. We are not letting them do it. And we're united.

01:32:56.020 For the listening audience, he ends it with his fists in the air once again, like when he tried

01:33:03.300 to get that chant going, we're gonna win. And no one joined him. He just thinks if he raises his

01:33:08.760 fists in the air, somehow it's going to inspire us. Charlie, your thoughts on that?

01:33:14.080 Well, I think if I were the Republicans, I would already be looking to run that in 2026 in the midterms.

01:33:20.860 I mean, look, that is one of the Democrats' big problems. They just believe that the people who

01:33:34.420 pay the vast majority of taxes, if you look at our progressive tax system,

01:33:39.060 the people who create economic growth and invention, um, the people who really do,

01:33:45.980 um, serve as the backbone of the private sector are the problem. And that their suspicion of big

01:33:53.900 government is ungrateful. And they've been doing this for a long, long time. This didn't start with

01:34:00.200 Chuck Schumer. Barack Obama used to do this with his whole, you didn't build this nonsense. Elizabeth

01:34:05.400 Warren talks like this. You can go back a hundred years and you'll find Democrats talking like this.

01:34:10.260 Now it's not the case that Americans on average are as free market oriented as I am. And I'm aware

01:34:17.260 of that. I am much more free market-y than the average American. But I think this is in some way

01:34:23.260 related to the previous clip that you just paid, which is that a lot of Americans, they do have a

01:34:30.080 certain get up and go, especially the young men you're talking about who feel that they want to go

01:34:35.360 out there and express themselves without being told that they are the problem. Now it's not that I'm

01:34:40.160 saying men are more entrepreneurial than women, but I'm saying that women don't tend to be told

01:34:43.680 they're the problem by the Democrats, but men do. And if you combine the message that we just saw

01:34:49.040 from Tim Walz with the message that you just saw from Chuck Schumer, it's essentially go away,

01:34:56.760 go under a rock, don't create anything, don't innovate, don't take risks. And if you do,

01:35:02.600 we're going to take the money that you generate from them. And I think that together, those messages

01:35:07.040 are why a lot of young men, and it seems to be disproportionately non-white young men, for all

01:35:13.400 Tim Walz's accusations of racism and misogyny, the group that moved the most in the last election was

01:35:18.760 young men of color. Those people are the ones who are put off by this message. So I think they're

01:35:26.620 going to have to shift because I don't think that's how you win back the country.

01:35:30.820 Your thoughts on it, Rich?

01:35:31.900 Rich. That's just pathetic. Look, I think Schumer made the right call on avoiding a government

01:35:36.840 shutdown, but he's just kind of been exposed as not very good at this. And there's something about

01:35:43.180 the Senate that creates certain kind of leaders. They take on the aspects of the institution. Now,

01:35:48.740 it's true of Mitch McConnell. Republican base didn't like Mitch McConnell, even though he was very good

01:35:53.460 at his job in the Senate. But he wasn't going around pumping his fists and trying to pretend like

01:35:58.600 he was something he wasn't. And that's what Schumer is doing, just like Tim Walz is when he's saying he's

01:36:03.480 going to kick people's asses. I will say at least this is a cartoonish version of what a lot of

01:36:11.440 Republicans or Elon Musk wants or thinks. They're not Nazis. So Elon Musk is a techno-libertarian,

01:36:18.020 but people are spray painting swastikas on his car because they just think if anyone's on the right and

01:36:23.360 they disagree with him, therefore they must be a fascist or Nazi, at least this is a cartoonish version

01:36:28.380 of the way entrepreneurs or libertarian-leaning Republicans think. But it's still cartoonish. And Chuck

01:36:38.620 Schumer just doesn't, you know, I think AOC would be an idiot not to challenge him in that Senate primary

01:36:44.200 coming up several years away now, but I think she should go for it.

01:36:47.460 Yeah. These guys are so out of touch and just embarrassing themselves. I mean, the more,

01:36:53.620 the better. Tim Walz should stay out there talking and Chuck Schumer too. It's just,

01:36:58.240 I guess he doesn't realize how uninspirational he is. The thing with Tim Walz, like we're going to

01:37:02.020 kick their ass. All I could think of when I listened to him was that viral video that was on YouTube when

01:37:07.140 YouTube was really first taking off with that little girl. And she's like, he's going to come out

01:37:11.780 of the movie. He's going to kick my ass. Remember that one? The mom's kind of laughing,

01:37:16.080 like, you can't say that. You say, but anyway, that's who he sounded like, except far less cute.

01:37:22.660 Okay. We've got to get to this incident on CNN, which I've been promising the audience for days,

01:37:29.520 and it just haven't been able to get to. Bill Weir, who is a far left radical climate activist,

01:37:37.000 is the chief climate correspondent on CNN. And he covers as a result, EPA, and now Lee Zeldin at EPA.

01:37:47.960 And he went on Caitlin Collins show late last week with a quote, fact check of an EPA press release

01:37:57.500 about what they're doing over there as they try to reform or really kind of undo some of the extreme

01:38:03.980 quote reforms that Joe Biden put into place. Here is what he reported.

01:38:10.060 They were putting out press releases with such a flurry, about 31 different actions and rollbacks

01:38:14.900 that some of them had typos or placeholders at the top. We have one of those there. Trump EPA announces

01:38:21.120 zero, zero, zero. You can see there it's sort of shoot first, fill out the press release later.

01:38:27.660 EPA administrator, the guys are shaking their heads for the listening audience. EPA administrator Lee

01:38:34.380 Zeldin took to X the very next day, writing another media fact check face plant, where the fact checker

01:38:43.040 doesn't have the slightest clue what he is talking about. And he says, these aren't zeros. They are the

01:38:50.700 letter O. O-O-O-O is not a typo, says Lee Zeldin. 40 CFR, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 60,

01:39:00.880 Subpart O-O-O-O-O or Quad O is a federal regulation under the Clean Air Act. And then goes on to explain

01:39:10.060 exactly what they are doing. They're letting people know that they're about to have open debate on

01:39:17.540 whether the EPA can, as Zeldin feels, change those increased standards that the Biden administration

01:39:24.480 put on, I think it's methane producers. But in any event, Charlie, your thoughts on Bill Weir's

01:39:30.680 so-called fact check as the CNN resident expert on these issues? Yeah, well, I'm glad you used the

01:39:37.840 word expert because for years now, there's been this back and forth in the courts between the law as it

01:39:44.260 was written by Congress and the EPA's interpretation of it. Thankfully, many of the cases have gone the

01:39:49.700 way of congressional will in recent years. But every time they do, we get these dissents from people like

01:39:56.680 Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, in which they applaud the experts in the community and say, we should

01:40:04.500 just be giving them carte blanche to do whatever they want. And then we see one on television absolutely

01:40:09.620 beclowning himself. And we realize why we have the system that we have. It's very,

01:40:15.140 very embarrassing. It is also what happens when for years, you know, that the media is on your side

01:40:24.180 and just will reflexively back you and publish your talking points as if they were facts, you become lazy

01:40:29.620 and flabby. I think, you know, the average press secretary for a Democrat is worse than the press

01:40:35.700 secretary for a Republican because they're just not used to doing the work. They're just not used

01:40:40.420 to the hostility that sharpens people. That was a good example of it. And I'll just use this

01:40:45.780 opportunity to say Lee Zeldin is one of the best of the nominations that Donald Trump made and seems to

01:40:53.520 be doing an incredible job at EPA, not only in policy terms, but in making sure that all of the work

01:40:59.460 that he's doing is legitimate and the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed. I think when this

01:41:06.980 administration is over and we look back on the story of it, we will say that the EPA appointment

01:41:14.100 and conduct was probably one of the best parts of the whole thing. This is what happens, Rich,

01:41:19.700 when your left wing activism blinds your obligations as a reporter.

01:41:25.140 Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, we all have our moments and I wouldn't have known what all those O's are,

01:41:30.580 but I'm not an environmental reporter. So this is hugely embarrassing. And Lee Zeldin,

01:41:37.380 I agree with Charlie. He's great. Now, you've got to be careful because the first time around,

01:41:41.380 a lot of great stuff happened to the EPA as well. And it all got reversed because it wasn't careful

01:41:45.460 enough. So hopefully Lee Zeldin is dotting his I's and crossing his T's there. But I would also,

01:41:52.180 I wouldn't think like O's would be a natural stand in for something that's going to be filled

01:41:56.660 in. You know, usually you'd leave something blank. You'd have underscores or the journalistic way to

01:42:01.220 do it is a capital T and a capital K. So, uh, yeah, we're should have been a little more

01:42:07.140 spelled a little more careful here. Um, here's the thing though. So this guy, Bill Weir,

01:42:12.420 I don't know if you guys are probably nobody's familiar with him because no one knows who he is,

01:42:16.900 but he being in the business and on cable news, I've been watching this guy for years

01:42:21.700 and he is as rabid a partisan as they come. He was at ABC. Now he's at CNN. And I want you to know

01:42:29.540 just how rabid. Okay. Let me just start with his climate activism and just radicalism. All right,

01:42:37.340 Charlie and Rich, you both have young kids. Imagine doing this to your child

01:42:41.540 on earth day. All right. He published a letter on CNN.com to his son, river,

01:42:47.860 marking the child's fourth earth day where he warned of mass extinction. And here's what he wrote

01:42:54.920 April 22nd, 2024. This is just this past April. There are still dark days to be sure. And since

01:43:01.460 you love animals so much, I can't bring myself to explain just how many of your favorites are on

01:43:06.180 extinctions brink. And while technology in the hands of the soulless can divide us,

01:43:13.020 it can also connect the helpers in ways that can save entire ecosystems. This is a follow-up to his

01:43:19.460 2020 version of his letter to his then newborn son, where he wrote, quote, the milk in your bottle was

01:43:26.600 warmed by dirty ancient fuels. And as a result, you will learn to walk on a planet that has never been

01:43:35.580 this hot for humans. Charlie, is that what you wrote to your babes when they were first born?

01:43:45.200 It's not. You know, the other thing, aside from being borderline child abuse in its content,

01:43:49.420 it's so overwrought. It's embarrassing. That's what I would write as a parody. If you told me,

01:43:55.860 you know, there are people who do this, come up with the letter. I think I'd write, I think I'd be

01:44:01.940 nervous about publishing that for fear that it seemed unbelievable.

01:44:09.020 Your dirty milk, my terrible fossil fuels. So that's how he talks to his son. Rich,

01:44:14.720 you have a newborn baby. I'm sure you're writing her letters just like that. You probably have to

01:44:18.380 run right now to do it. Yeah. What is weird? He has kids like a dead polar bear. Sorry,

01:44:24.120 you know, dead stuffed polar bear. Sorry, this polar bear is dead. But you know, that's just

01:44:27.520 the world you live in. This is one of these beats, Megan. Like every climate reporter in the country,

01:44:33.440 probably, if they haven't written those sort of things to the kids, they think it, right? It's like

01:44:37.720 covering gender or misinformation or disinformation. There's not one honest, straight, objective

01:44:45.140 journalist who ever ends up on a beat like that. Yes. All right. So he ultimately was forced,

01:44:52.040 after being publicly shamed to issue a correction on CNN, which he did. That's good. That's a bare

01:44:58.240 minimum that's required of people. But if you look at this guy's actual reporting, taking away his

01:45:03.160 mental deficiencies as evidence in those letters, it's of course, completely biased, pro Obama,

01:45:10.420 Biden, anti Trump. And I've got to just show you these, these couple of examples before we go.

01:45:15.240 All right, here he is. Just see if you can tell me if you can spot the difference in the way he

01:45:21.040 reported on Trump, which we'll play first versus Obama, which we went back and just pulled some of

01:45:28.540 his coverage of the Obama inauguration. We're going to play these two back to back 24 and 25.

01:45:34.400 These are such vital years right now that we're dealing with. And then this new administration,

01:45:39.480 not only ambivalent about the science, but almost antagonistic. So we'll see. We'll see

01:45:46.120 who is able to hold the lines. Now, for anybody who remotely cares about land and water and animals

01:45:52.300 and climate, this is an obvious choice. They live in two different planets on planet Trump.

01:45:58.020 He's still on Trump.

01:45:58.580 There are no gigafires out West. Miami is not flooding. There are no experts telling us that

01:46:03.400 this is just the beginning of a new normal.

01:46:05.820 Think things are bad now. Imagine the hell on earth. That would be three degrees of,

01:46:11.440 of global warming. Uh, well, Donald Trump is, is basically saying go to hell, go to that hell

01:46:18.040 because he doesn't want to even acknowledge the existence of the problem.

01:46:22.020 Well, Charlie, we know that wind can make a cold day feel colder, but can national pride

01:46:27.140 make a freezing day feel warmer? It seems to be the case because regardless of the final

01:46:33.600 crowd number estimates, never have so many people shivered so long with such joy from above,

01:46:42.500 not even the seagulls must have been awed by the blanket of humanity.

01:46:47.280 What?

01:46:49.840 He's a terrible writer.

01:46:52.900 Also, was he trying to do a Churchill thing?

01:46:55.980 I mean, that was right at the end. He was trying to paraphrase Churchill.

01:46:59.040 About the seagulls? Or are they never before?

01:47:02.280 No, he said never before, which is, which is a line that Winston Churchill used after the battle

01:47:06.540 of Britain, an air campaign that quite literally saved Britain from Nazi invasion in 1940.

01:47:12.340 So he's transplanted that into a description of the inauguration of, I presume, Joe Biden.

01:47:18.300 No, Barack Obama, 09.

01:47:20.000 Oh, Barack Obama. Okay.

01:47:21.440 But it's just that is such a great example, though, of how these people's priorities are

01:47:26.720 all out of whack. Literal existential survival of the British Empire gets moved over onto the

01:47:32.900 same plane as Barack Obama becomes president. Just insanity.

01:47:37.360 Could you believe that, Rich?

01:47:39.140 Yeah, it's a parody. And they can't just say, oh, the science suggests if the projections

01:47:47.140 are true that 50 years from now, 100 years from now, keep warming this way, natural disasters

01:47:53.620 will marginally be worse, right? I mean, it's always hell is upon us. Every single natural

01:47:59.840 disaster is directly caused by climate change. It's kind of like COVID in that the people who

01:48:05.780 are most supposedly committed to the so-called science get over their skis and ignore the

01:48:11.780 science to make the most hysterical, politicized case for the policy outcomes they want.

01:48:18.320 Yeah. The seagulls must have been awed by the blanket of humanity, he reported at the Barack

01:48:25.300 Obama inauguration, as opposed to Trump. He wants us to go to hell.

01:48:29.840 Yeah, seagulls are just looking for a straight sandwich they can snatch. You know, that's the

01:48:34.880 seagulls play. They're not awed by anything. That's exactly right. Anybody who's been to the

01:48:39.960 beach, including Jersey Shore, knows that. It's really incredible. And that's why I would submit

01:48:44.760 for the record that Bill Weir's, quote, mistake on Caitlin Collins, which, by the way, she shared

01:48:49.980 in, was no mistake at all. It was an agenda masquerading as journalism, which is why he got

01:48:56.320 humiliated. Charlie Cook, Rich Lowry, love having you guys here. Thank you so much for giving me so

01:49:02.480 much time. Thank you. It was a pleasure to see you guys argue. You have to do it more often.

01:49:09.000 Respectfully debate. But you know what? I've heard Charlie make this point before. That's

01:49:11.940 what's so great about podcasts, right? Like, you can have a full discussion like this. Imagine

01:49:16.760 trying to do this on an hour at Fox News. Charlie, you never could have.

01:49:20.980 Absolutely. No, definitely not.

01:49:23.600 All right, guys, and you can hear more wonderful analysis over on The Editor's, a podcast I love and

01:49:29.080 listen to. The only downside to it is they only put it out twice a week. Great to see you guys.

01:49:34.180 Okay, tomorrow we have Gabby Petito's parents are here with me, and then we're going to take a deep

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 19, 2025

Tesla Attacks, Weird Walz Comments, and Judges Keep Fighting Trump, with Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cooke ｜ Ep. 1030

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