Testosterone, Libido, and Infertility: Deep Dive on Men's Sexual Health, with Dr. Mohit Khera | Ep. 604
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Summary
Dr. Mohit Kara is a Board Certified Urologist with expertise in sexual medicine and testosterone, who works as a Professor of Urology at the Baylor College of Medicine. He is also the author of the book, The Vagina Problem: How to Overcome Your Sexual Dysfunction and Live a More Productive Life .
Transcript
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we are bringing
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you something a little different, something that's actually really important and I think
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you're going to enjoy whether you're a man or a woman. Today's show is a deep dive on
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men's sexual health and we have a world-renowned expert with us. Next week we'll be doing a full
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show on women's sexual health, but obviously the two are very much related. Full disclosure,
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I got this idea from Dr. Peter Attia, who's been on the show, whose book has been on the New York
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Times bestseller list for a long time now. Very talented longevity doctor who's a friend of the
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program and he did. He did two shows like this and you should check out his podcast as well.
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And I thought this is a great thing and I bet my audience would really like it. And don't we need
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a little break from politics every once in a while? Good God. I know I do. So this is a topic
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that does not get anywhere near the attention it deserves, but it does impact millions of men
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every year. Millions. In fact, I've heard some doctors now in preparing for today's segment
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refer to erectile problems as an epidemic, an epidemic for men. So if you are suffering from this,
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you're not alone and you may be too embarrassed to talk about it, but you shouldn't be too embarrassed
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to listen to a talk about it. And so we'll get to that today and we will hear from you.
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We're going to take calls later as well. Today we'll be discussing men's sexual function,
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changes during aging, STDs, porn, all of it. And as we dive into some of the major issues,
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we will discuss causes, effective treatments, and just lifestyle changes. Even if you never want
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to talk to a doctor about this stuff, we'll give you some lifestyle changes you can make
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that could improve your function and your sex life. And if your sex life is off,
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the relationship is off, right? As Dr. Phil used to say, when sex is good, it's 10% of the marriage
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or the relationship. When sex is bad, it's 90%. Nothing's off the table. I'm excited to bring you
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this conversation. Today with me is Dr. Mohit Kara. He's a board certified urologist with expertise in
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sexual medicine and testosterone, who works as a professor of urology at the Baylor College of
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Medicine. Welcome to the show, doctor. It's great to have you. Thank you so much for the invitation.
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Yeah. Okay. So I want to cover it all, but let me start here. So I think women have an advantage in
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this department in a way because we go to an OBGYN pretty much at least once a year. And we do that in
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addition to our primary care physician. So this is a person who, if you get a good one,
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takes your overall health as a woman into consideration. It's not just, forgive me,
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a vag doctor. You know, she's, she's checking out the whole woman, you know, your energy levels,
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your sleep, the breasts. Yes. Down South and Rio, all the stuff. But like, whenever I leave my GYN,
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I feel like, okay, I'm, I'm well looked after. She wants to know everything. She wants to know about
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my blood pressure. She wants to know everything. And I feel like there's not, you know, men don't
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really have that. They don't have that extra on top of the primary care physician. I think they do
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the turn your head and cough thing when they go to the primary care physician. But for most men,
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that's about it. Am I right? So I think you nailed it. I mean, you have to think about this.
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Erectile dysfunction affects 40% of men at 40, 50% at 50, 60 at 60, 70 to 70. You live long enough,
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a man's going to get erectile dysfunction. The problem is that many men are embarrassed to talk
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about it. I think one of the best studies I've ever seen came out last year, 1500 men between the
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ages of 18 and 80, and they put out a survey. And what they found was that 40% of men, 40% of men had
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some degree of sexual dysfunction, but 50% of them said, I don't know where to get the help. 70% said,
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I wish I could get the help. And what was surprising is that 53% of those patients
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didn't even tell their physician. Now, I think one of the problems is if you look at physicians,
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they don't ask the question, do you have erectile dysfunction? My wife is a primary care physician.
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And she says, look, I have about 15 minutes to go through diabetes, hypertension, obesity,
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erectile dysfunction tends to be at the bottom of the list. So again, it's a patient embarrassment
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problem and physicians aren't asking about it. That's so troubling because not only does it affect
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your relationship and your happiness and your wellness, but now in reading up for today, I
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realized it actually can be a clue that something else is wrong, like potential heart disease even
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could be related to in particular ED. Is that correct? You're so right. So I think that one of
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the best barometers of a man's health is his sexual health. Why? Because it not only does it encompass
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your physical health, but it also encompasses your mental health. And so sexual health is one
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of the best barometers of our overall health, but you bring up a very good point. There was a study
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that came out in 2005 that showed if a man gets erectile dysfunction today, 15% of them will have
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a heart attack within seven years, 15%, which is quite large. That same year, other studies came out
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showing that if a man has a heart attack, typically 39 months prior, he started developing erectile
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dysfunction. And we know this because of the coronary arteries are much smaller, one to two
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millimeters, excuse me, the penile arteries are much smaller, one to two millimeters compared to
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the coronary arteries. So if you're going to block an artery, you're more likely to block the penile
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artery before you block the coronary arteries. So I really do think that, you know, a young man who has
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ED and no other signs, this could be one of the first signs of having a potential MI in the future.
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And if you are too embarrassed to talk to your doctor about it, let's say your doctor
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is a female, then get a male doctor or just somehow work up the nerve because now you're
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talking about, you know, your, your actual life. And what if like, what a great canary in the coal
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mine, you know, if you just like, it's not great to have ED, of course, but like much rather have to
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fix that problem than have to fix a heart attack. I read the following. Is it true? The penis works on
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blood pressure. Yes. So it's important that, you know, when the, the important part of the penis
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is blood going in and blood going out. And so the way you get erectile dysfunction is not enough blood
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coming in or the blood's coming out too fast. And so it's a very clever system. The artery goes down
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the center and then the veins are on the periphery. And so the first sign of erectile dysfunction is
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typically the blood is coming out too fast. This is called venous leak. So what does a patient tell
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you? They say, doc, I can get the erection, but I can't maintain the erection. He's telling you,
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look, I got the, one of the first signs of ED, which is called venous leak. So there's many ways
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to fix this. One way to fix it is to increase the blood flow. And that's what many of these pills do
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like Viagra or injections or to decrease the outflow. But again, this is the most common type
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is venous leak. And this is so like, you don't want to just get a prescription for Viagra. You want to
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figure out what's going on that could fix the symptom. But if there, if this is linked to high
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blood pressure or a heart disease, you need to get to the bottom of it. It's not a matter of just
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like getting your friends Viagra, you know, you really need to know. Well, so let's talk about
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erectile dysfunction because I can say like, I'm sure, uh, thankfully I haven't had this issue in
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my life. My husband and I are still relatively young, but I think as a woman, I would start blaming
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myself. If my husband had this, I'd be like, some happened. I gained weight. It's my, and then I can
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see how this would turn into an issue really quickly between the couple. Yes. Megan, ED has
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a devastating impact, not only on the patient, but on the couple. And I didn't go through these
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statistics, but 30% of men, 33% of men who have erectile dysfunction are severely depressed because
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they have ED. 37% of men who have ED have severe anxiety. And you talked about this earlier, but we know
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that couples that engage in sexual activity have a significant improvement in the quality of
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relationship, say 2X. Those that do not engage in a sexual activity have a significant decrease in
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the quality of relationship, almost 4X. So double. So again, sexual, uh, sexuality is really important
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for the couple. When a man starts getting erectile dysfunction, something very interesting happens.
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He starts avoiding sex because he says, what's the point of engaging in sexual activity? If it's going to
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maybe work or not work, I'm tired. It's 10 o'clock at night. I might as well go to sleep.
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We call this subconscious aversion. They tend to avoid it. Um, and so the female partner or the
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partner in general takes this as rejection. And she says, or he says, I'm not, why are they not
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interested? What is going on? But the inside the brain, the patient's saying, I just don't want to
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go through all the frustration of this not working.
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Hmm. My gosh, I, it's reminding me, this is an off color story. So forgive me, but a friend of
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mine once had a sexual interlude with a man. P.S. It turned out he was gay. So this is why the
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problem was manifesting, but he, he couldn't, he couldn't get an erection. And finally, after a long
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time, he got one. And I remember her telling me about it after the fact and her statement was,
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it should come to me in this condition. And I think there is an expectation in normal relationships
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where the person is not secretly desiring somebody of the opposite sex, um, by women that it should
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come to me in this condition without thinking, Oh my God, maybe he has a problem. Like maybe what if I
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were just really cool about this issue and we talked about it and I was, and I was supportive of
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him in fixing it. So, but that, I guess as a doctor, that would make you ask, is this a new thing or is
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this something you've always struggled with? Right. So remember that as men get older, they acquire
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comorbid conditions, diabetes, epidemic United States, obesity, metabolic syndrome. Uh, think of
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other risk factors like smoking, certain medications, like a beta blocker. How many people are on a beta
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blocker? It's notorious for causing erectile dysfunction. Remember beta blockers are used for
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hypertension, thiazides. So as we get older, as we develop new conditions, we start taking new
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medications that can make a significant impairment on erectile function, but we start getting more
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conditions that are associated with ED. So this is the issue. I forgot to mention one of the things
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earlier, you know, in that survey, I talked about 44% of men, 44% of men did not mention to their
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partner that they had ED. Now you may say, how did they not mention it? What they do is they just stop
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engaging in sexual activity, right? Which is a problem. But as these men get older and they start
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developing more and more sexual dysfunction, our job is to try to find out what we can reverse
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reversible causes of ED. Now, my dream, my wish is that, you know, you know, lifestyle modification,
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diet, exercise, sleep, and stress reduction. Again, diet, exercise, sleep, and stress reduction
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are very powerful tools in preventing a man from ever, ever developing erectile dysfunction. So
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to me, that's a form of a prevention, preventing ED.
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So that, and those are the key things to every area of wellbeing. Like if you improve those four
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things, everything about your life will improve, not the least of which is your longevity. And you
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know what I recently discovered is I wear this Fitbit now. This is my, this is in honor of my friend's
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on the orange band, but this is my Fitbit. And the reason I've been wearing this Fitbit nonstop
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is because your Fitbit, if you wear it overnight, will monitor your sleep. And it will not just
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monitor how many hours of sleep you got. It'll tell you how many hours of REM sleep you got and
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how many hours of deep sleep you got, which are not the same thing. And if you can get like an hour,
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15 of REM sleep, and if you can get two hours, like over an hour, hour and a half of deep sleep,
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that's awesome. And if you're not getting that, you could do something to address it. You know,
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there are all sorts of things. You don't have to go on a prescription medication. You could
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exercise more. You can take whatever, tryptophan, that stuff. That's a supplement. There's all
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sorts of, but like fixing sleep is, I would say like one of the first things, no?
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Right. So you nailed it. So I take care of a lot of patients and they tend to say, look,
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doc, I eat healthy and I exercise, but they don't sleep and they're stressed through the roof.
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And that's 50% of it. It's all four. If you decided today that you were going to focus on just one of
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them, diet, exercise, sleep, or stress reduction, it would have a profound effect on your quality of
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life. And imagine if you did all four. And so what you just said is exactly what I tell my patients.
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I don't have a pill stronger on the planet, stronger than diet, exercise, sleep, and stress
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reduction. Not only will it help your physical health, but actually it helps your sexual health
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as well. And fatigue, poor sleep is one of the reasons why many patients don't engage sexual activity.
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And then if you have poor sleep, you tend to make, I think, poorer food choices the next day,
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right? Because your will powers down, you don't feel good, you seek comfort in food. And so it's
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It's a snowball effect, right? It's a snowball effect because they're all interrelated,
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right? So if you exercise, you'll sleep better. If you sleep better, you'll eat better food.
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Now it's all related. If you sleep better, exercise, and eat good food, you tend to see stress is not as
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big as it would be, right? So one of the big reasons why we see stress as such a big thing
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is because we're fatigued. If you're not so fatigued, stress typically doesn't look as big.
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So it's all related. And so when patients come in and say, doc, just give me the Viagra and the
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testosterone, I say, there's more to it than this. You know, this is a partnership and your 50%
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is diet, exercise, sleep, and stress. My job is to modify it and make sure that your hormones and
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your medical condition is optimized. But together, it's a partnership. And if we do the partnership,
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those patients tend to do the best. So if you are suffering from ED, any form of it,
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you know, like a light form or a severe form, and you go to the doctor, he's going to tell you,
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think about those modifications in lifestyle. And then what's the first line medical defense?
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Is it Viagra? And also now I read about Cialis. Is that basically the same thing as Viagra? What's
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that? Let's talk about it. So there are, think of it like three different categories. And the first
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category is going to be medications. And there are four types of medications, but they're all like
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Viagra. There's Viagra, there's Cialis, there's Levitra, and there's Stendra, four different types
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of medications. Stendra has the fastest half-life. And so it has an onset is actually as fast as 15
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minutes. Cialis has the longest half-life. So it's 17 hours. So many patients will take a daily Cialis
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every day and it lasts throughout the day. And so these medications- Wait, what does that mean?
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What does that mean? Because of course, you know, as a woman, I'm like, no woman wants to see a 17
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hour erection coming at her. Yeah. Great question. So this is very important. So Cialis is the only
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medication that has a daily dose and an on-demand dose. And the daily dose is a five milligram dose
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that you take every day. And the on-demand dose is a 20 milligram dose that you take several hours
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before sex. One of my favorite medications is that daily dose of Cialis. Why? Because when a patient
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takes that daily dose of Cialis every day, over time, the muscle in the penis becomes stronger.
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To me, it's like rehab. It's making the penis stronger. Let's be honest. Viagra is not a cure
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for rectile dysfunction. Because if you remember, I said ED 40% at 40, 50% at 50, 60% at 60. Viagra only
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covers your problem that night. It doesn't cure you. It just covers your problem while the disease
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gets worse every day. So giving someone daily Cialis to me is more like a curative, preventative
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measure. So most of my patients are on daily Cialis every day. What's nice about it is when they engage
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in sexual activity, many of them don't need to take a pill. They're always ready. And that really works
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well for young patients who like the spontaneity. So again, daily Cialis, very effective.
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And what about those other two that you mentioned? I'd never heard of those. Why would you go with
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those two over the first two that are better known? Yeah. So one of them is cost. So remember
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that these used to be very expensive. It could be $20, $30 a pill. But if you've heard of GoodRx,
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if you've heard of Mark Cuban's new company, Cost Plus, the medications are now very cheap. You can get
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90 pills for less than $20. Anybody can. So that's very affordable. But in the past, we had to work
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with the costs. The newer one you have not heard of probably was a Vanafil, which came out in 2015.
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So it's the newest one that came out. But again, we have four pills that we can use to treat men for
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rectal dysfunction. If one doesn't work, you can always just switch it for another one. So sometimes
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some patients respond better to one than the other and side effect profile. Now in this first category,
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I also like to offer patients a sex therapist because sex therapists are extremely effective in helping
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with this condition. And we also want to consider lifestyle modification, stop your smoking,
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change your medications. There's also something called a vacuum erection device, which many men can
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use. It's exactly what it sounds like. It's a vacuum. It brings in suction, makes the penis erect.
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They place a band at the base of the penis and it maintains the erection. Sometimes if those are not
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effective, I'll go into something called penile injections. Those are very effective. It's a small
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injection that the patient places at the base of the penis and it induces an erection within about
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five to 10 minutes. The erection can last about one to two hours. So even if the man has an orgasm,
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it still stays erect. And then the last option, which is a great option, is something called the
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penile prosthesis. Now the penile prosthesis was invented exactly 50 years ago here at my institution
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at Baylor by a guy named Dr. Brantley Scott. And now it's used throughout the world. And it's a very
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effective form treatment for erectile dysfunction. What is it?
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So it's a surgery that we do. I typically form these surgeries. It takes about 45 minutes to do
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the procedure. And it has, if you think about the anatomy of the penis, there are two cylinders and
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each of those cylinders have muscle and carry blood in them. So when the man gets erect, those cylinders
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expand. And what we're essentially doing is putting balloons inside those cylinders. There's a small pump
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that goes in the scrotum and there's what we call a small reservoir that goes behind the pubic bone
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that holds water, say normal saline. So when a man wants to engage in sexual activity, he just pumps
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the pump in the scrotum. It fills those balloons and gives him a very good erection. He engages in
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sexual activity as long as he wants. When he finishes engaging in sexual activity, he'll release the pump
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and all that fluid will go back into the reservoir. So it's extremely effective. If a man took off his
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clothes, you would not be able to tell that he has a penile prosthesis. But really what it's done
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is revolutionize the way we treat ED because essentially a man can have an erection as long
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as he wants, whenever he wants. And it's, it's very effective. I mean, if you were having sex with
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a man, would you know that there was a pump? Well, many women would state as that. They, they don't,
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they really can't tell the difference when a man has a penile prosthesis. If a woman was to touch
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his scrotum, she would be able to tell that there was a pump there. But during sexual activity,
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it's reported that the sensation is the same. The satisfaction rate is very high with the penile
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prosthesis, over 90% for patient and partner with the penile prosthesis. And that's higher than almost
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any other treatment I can offer a man. How painful is that surgery and the recovery from those implants
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for the man? Yeah. So you'll be surprised. It's very well tolerated. I tell patients to take the first
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week off and during the second week, you're about 50%. By the third week, you're back into your normal
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activity. Um, we typically have the patients come back in about two weeks and cycle the pump. Um,
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but with new techniques in pain control, um, it is very well tolerated. Hmm. All right. Now you
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mentioned sex therapist. What is a sex therapist and like, how could they help you with ED?
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Right. So many patients have psychogenic ED, and these are younger patients who have psychogenic ED
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typically. So maybe it was a bad relationship. Maybe it was something that went on stress.
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And what they do is they work through the reason why you have sexual dysfunction and see if there's
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something that they can do psychologically to help you. Sometimes they give you homework,
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you and the partner. They like to sometimes meet with you and the partner to talk about ways to slowly
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get back into engaging in sexual activity. Um, but they can be very effective. The only problem is,
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is that when most men come into my clinic, they say, doc, just give me the pill. I don't have time for
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sexual, uh, sex therapist, um, which revolutionize our ability to treat men with sex therapy is the
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internet. And during COVID, many of the sex therapists were offering this benefit through,
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uh, zoom. And so this has really been great because men say, look, I don't want to drive in
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and go into a sex therapist's office, but a lot of them say, I don't mind doing a zoom call.
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And that's been very helpful. I'm curious, is it usually the woman or is it usually the man,
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if you know, who suggests a sex therapist? Well, so I suggest the sex therapist to both
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women and men and men and women typically take me up on the offer. Men typically don't,
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um, which is unfortunate. Now, sometimes when a woman will go to a sex therapist,
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she'll, the sex therapist will ask if you can bring your partner. And sometimes the partner will go.
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Um, but the sex therapist is very helpful to just talk through the issues. Um, sometimes,
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you know, there are many psychological issues that could be affecting or withholding the patient
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from engaging in sexual activity. And it's very healthy to talk about it. You'll be surprised how
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many times couples don't communicate or talk about their sexual problems with one another.
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Oh no, I wouldn't be surprised. I remember seeing some comedian talk about how, um, it was a guy and he
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was saying, for the love of God, would you women please give us direction in the middle of sex?
00:21:55.920
You know, whether it's up or down, like give us some direction. We won't even pull over to ask for
00:21:59.440
directions because we rely on only maps. Like we're too embarrassed to say we're lost. Nevermind down
00:22:05.020
there. We're definitely not going to say we're lost. So just volunteer direction. So no, I wouldn't
00:22:09.520
be shocked. Um, that sounds just right. What about insurance? Does insurance cover any of this?
00:22:17.540
What you'd be surprised. So the, one of the best payers for the penile prosthesis is Medicare,
00:22:22.320
right? So Medicare, the government is a very good pair. So a lot of patients are 63, they're 64.
00:22:27.580
They're just waiting to turn 65 so they can get their penile prosthesis, which is, which is very
00:22:32.180
interesting. Um, but now it doesn't matter about insurance for the, uh, oral pills, because as I
00:22:39.240
mentioned earlier, you can pay cash, uh, Mark Cuban's cost plus it's a, I looked last, it was $9 for 90
00:22:45.660
pills, which was amazing cash, no insurance, uh, good RX and $20 for 90 pills. So that's very
00:22:51.980
affordable for most Americans, uh, to pay this amount for, uh, the medication. So that has been
00:22:57.360
very, very helpful. What's also interesting, the penile injections I mentioned, these are compounded
00:23:01.900
and they come out to about $3 an injection. So again, very affordable. So, you know, the take home
00:23:07.500
messages, there are treatments out there and they're affordable treatments. If someone out there is
00:23:12.060
suffering from erectile dysfunction. Now, what, what are these, I have listed here, other treatment
00:23:17.680
options, stem cells, PRP and shock therapy. What's that about? We have to talk about this because
00:23:25.720
over the past 10 years, there has been a boom in these three areas. As I mentioned earlier, there's
00:23:31.600
no real cure for ED, but over the past 10 years, there's been a quest to cure or reverse erectile
00:23:38.060
dysfunction. And the way that this has been going has been looking at stem cell therapy,
00:23:43.220
shockwave therapy, and PRP. Let's first talk about shockwave therapy because it's the most commonly
00:23:48.080
used. Back in 2010, a European physician by the name of Dr. Vardy started taking a shockwave machine,
00:23:55.040
very similar to what we use for kidney stones, a shockwave machine, and applying those shocks to
00:23:59.940
the penis. Now I'll be honest. When I first saw that, I thought it was ridiculous. This doesn't make
00:24:03.620
any sense, but it's actually brilliant because what you're doing when you give those shocks to the
00:24:07.940
penile tissue is you're tricking the body to think that there's some kind of trauma. When the body
00:24:12.820
thinks that there's some kind of trauma, it starts bringing in growth factors, new blood vessels,
00:24:17.800
stem cells to heal that area. And so there's been a huge boom in the US to use shockwaves to help
00:24:24.560
reverse and cure ED. The problem is, is that there are different types of machines. There are class
00:24:30.920
one machines that actually don't do very much at all, almost nothing. And these are called radial
00:24:36.460
machines. And there are class two machines that are in class three machines that are actually
00:24:41.180
better and more effective. And patients, many providers are buying the class one machines and
00:24:48.060
charging patients 500 to a thousand dollars of treatment when it really doesn't do very much at
00:24:52.260
all. And that's my concern. So if you're going to use a machine, you want to use one that's focal.
00:24:58.020
We like the electrohydraulic, the electromagnetic machines. You just want to use it where it's legitimate.
00:25:02.420
And I just want to qualify that this is still investigational. This is not mainstream. So
00:25:09.020
more studies need to be done to say that we can call this standard of care. So more studies need
00:25:15.220
to be done. So shockwave may be beneficial. I have to mention a very cool phenomenon. So
00:25:20.020
if you think about ED, there's a very large placebo effect. If I give a hundred men a sugar pill,
00:25:27.340
and I tell them, you're going to have the best erections of your life, if I give you the sugar
00:25:31.580
pill, 30% of men come back and say, this was the best erection I ever had. Cause there's a huge
00:25:37.240
placebo effect when it comes to sexual dysfunction. And so if you're giving someone a shockwave that
00:25:41.680
doesn't do anything, you better believe 30% of people are telling their friends, this is the best
00:25:45.360
thing since sliced bread when really it's a large placebo effect.
00:25:49.160
Yes. This, your description of it reminds me of what we women are doing to our faces.
00:25:54.340
You know, you can get the micro needling, which is like you're damaging your face and that's
00:25:59.160
supposed to stimulate collagen and make the face younger. You know, it's kind of similar concept,
00:26:04.760
like to, to stimulate not estrogen. That's not what's coming out, but, uh, something else is
00:26:12.140
Yes. Stem cells is the other one. I just got to mention that we've been using stem cells for a
00:26:16.440
long time. We, we back, we were the first to use an FDA approved product for stem cells,
00:26:20.620
where you take the fat out of the man's abdomen, you put it into a machine. The machine's called
00:26:25.060
an accelerator. It would give us 37 to 50 million stem cells. We'd inject those stem cells into the
00:26:30.040
penile tissue. Um, and, uh, we would see if it would improve erectile function. So there may be some
00:26:35.100
potential benefit with stem cells, but again, it's still investigational. Um, and then the last one is
00:26:40.300
PRP. Now PRP has the least data and PRP is really a platelet rich plasma.
00:26:46.440
And some people may call it the private shot or the P shot. And the rate for that is anywhere from
00:26:51.820
1500 to $3,000 in injection, but it really has the least amount of data to support it. So I,
00:26:58.200
I just caution a lot of patients. They come in and they say, um, you know, I, I spent 3000 for the
00:27:03.020
P shot. I spent 6,000 for this shockwave and nothing's really happened. And so you just got to
00:27:07.680
be careful to counsel that there may be some potential benefit, but you don't want to say that,
00:27:12.360
you know, this is main treatment as of today. That middle one, it's like, well,
00:27:17.120
so you didn't solve your ED, but your waist is slimmer. You know, your, your belly's flatter.
00:27:21.720
Yeah. Tiny, tiny little lipo going there. All right. Well, all of that is so interesting. Now
00:27:27.460
in terms of prevention, you told Peter Atiyah, patients who are not using the penile muscle
00:27:34.760
will start getting atrophy. That's terrifying. So it's a use it or lose it situation. What about,
00:27:41.660
what does that mean for guys who aren't partnered up or don't have anybody interested in them for
00:27:45.960
whatever reason, it's just constant masturbation. How often, like, what, what does this mean?
00:27:50.420
You nailed it. So that's exactly right. So think of the two penile muscles are just two muscles
00:27:54.320
running in parallel, just muscles, just like your arm as a muscle. So if you lift weights every day with
00:28:00.420
your arm, what happens? It hypertrophies and gets bigger. If I put your arm in a cast for six months
00:28:06.020
and I take the cast off, it atrophies, right? So atrophy means that you weren't using it in the
00:28:10.860
muscle contracts. One of the best examples I can give you is we see men after a radical prostatectomy,
00:28:17.200
that's prostate cancer surgery. Second most common cause of cancer in the world in men. This year
00:28:22.720
will be 300,000, almost 300,000 men diagnosed. When you have that surgery, many times men will have
00:28:27.680
erectile dysfunction immediately right after. And what you'll see is you'll see some atrophy of the
00:28:32.220
penile tissue. And so the goal is to try to continue to keep that muscle going. You can use
00:28:37.100
a vacuum erection device. I really like them using the daily Cialis that makes a big impact in my
00:28:42.560
opinion. And you're right, more sexual activity keeps the tissue healthy. As men stop having sexual
00:28:49.340
activity, and then it becomes more and more difficult to get the erection. As it becomes more difficult to
00:28:54.940
get the erection, they have less sexual activity, and it just spirals, right? So it's very important
00:28:59.260
to use it or lose it, just like you mentioned. Well, of course, that has everybody asking how
00:29:05.140
often, right? Because most men want it more than the women are willing to do it, just as a general
00:29:11.840
biological evolutionary principle. But like, what does that mean? You know, is there a number you can
00:29:17.000
put on that? How often must they use it? Yeah, so there's not a number to show, but I can just tell
00:29:22.320
you statistically what people are doing. So if you look at couples or young people between 25 and 30
00:29:27.380
years of age, couples, they're engaging in sexual activity two times per week, on average. When you
00:29:33.400
get to roughly 50 years of age, it's about one time per week. And when you get to roughly 70 to 75
00:29:39.100
of age, it's about one time per month. You can see the trajectory. What's interesting, though, on that
00:29:44.480
slide is that as you get to 80 years of age, you start seeing an uptick. So if you live till 80 and
00:29:50.160
you're healthy, you start engaging in more and more sexual activity on that graph. But the reality
00:29:54.780
is that twice a week, I would say, would keep the tissue healthy. The problem is that women go
00:30:02.620
through menopause at roughly 52 years of age. When a woman goes through menopause at roughly 52 years
00:30:07.860
of age, there's a precipitous drop in her testosterone, which is one of the number one drivers for sexual
00:30:13.020
desire. And there's a significant drop in estrogen in the vagina as well. So now she has a low desire for
00:30:18.740
sex. And she has pain when she engages in sexual activity. So she doesn't want to engage in sexual
00:30:23.540
activity. And thus, I believe men will start developing more atrophy of the penile tissue
00:30:31.440
My mom's 82. And I was giving her a hard time about this subject. We were just joking around the
00:30:36.060
other day. And she said, Megan, when you're 82, you can fulfill all of your sexual fantasies.
00:30:42.640
I mean, but you're right on both ends. It's a use or lose a situation because like the less,
00:30:49.880
the less you do it, the less important it is to you. And the more you do it, the more you sort of
00:30:53.560
keep everything alive and you want it more. I think that's true for men and for women.
00:30:57.400
There's so much more to discuss. I want to get to libido. We have to talk about testosterone.
00:31:01.680
You mentioned testicular cancer, infertility. And there's so many topics. The more I got into this,
00:31:07.600
the more I was like, this is all fascinating. And lots I want to talk to you about, including
00:31:11.040
we'll spend some time on boys who are coming of age, because that's tricky too in today's day and
00:31:16.600
age. Stand by more with Dr. Mohit Kara right after this. All right. So I would love to talk to you
00:31:24.540
about testosterone and libido. I thought testosterone controlled libido. And in preparing for today,
00:31:33.580
I realized that's not true. So men who I think are suffering a loss of libido, I think a lot of them
00:31:40.600
probably go to a doctor like you and say, I need testosterone. But what's really going on there?
00:31:45.220
Can you talk about both of those things? Absolutely. So listen, testosterone is just
00:31:50.200
a piece of the pie. When a man has low libido, there could be multiple factors. It could be his
00:31:54.880
relationship with his partner. It was immense. It could be stress. It could be fatigue. It could be
00:31:59.600
hormones. And not only is it testosterone, but there are four hormones we worry about. It's,
00:32:04.380
we tell the mnemonic PET, prolactin, estrogen, thyroid, and testosterone. So there are many
00:32:11.180
factors. It could be neurotransmitters. So example, dopamine, serotonin could be effect as well.
00:32:16.180
So I tell patients when you come in and you have low libido, they say, just give me the testosterone.
00:32:19.860
It's going to fix everything. I say, it's not going to fix everything, but it will help. It will make a
00:32:23.940
big difference in your libido. What are the signs and symptoms of low testosterone? Low libido,
00:32:29.120
erectile dysfunction, decreased muscle mass, increased fat deposition, poor sleep, some depression.
00:32:36.920
And many times when you replace the testosterone, many of these patients can see a significant
00:32:41.040
improvement in these signs and symptoms. Is it true that antidepressants can lead to
00:32:47.960
some libido problems? And so, you know, people, maybe you don't need an antidepressant. Maybe you
00:32:54.040
need some testosterone. I don't like, how does that interact? Right. So now you nailed it.
00:32:58.960
So antidepressants are notorious for shutting down a man's libido. They also shut down the
00:33:05.340
ejaculatory time. So if a man ejaculates in seven minutes and he takes an antidepressant,
00:33:10.240
it could take 20 minutes or longer. In fact, one of the treatments for premature ejaculation
00:33:15.320
is to give them an antidepressant. So many times if they come in and they have low libido,
00:33:19.940
you want to look at the medication list and you say, oh, you're on an antidepressant or you're
00:33:23.860
on an antiandrogen. There are many meds that can cause low libido. What's interesting is that there is
00:33:28.560
one antidepressant that doesn't cause low libido. It may improve libido, which is Wellbutrin. So
00:33:33.920
many times I'll try to get them off the antidepressant like Prozac or Lexapro and put
00:33:37.940
them on a Wellbutrin type of medication to help improve the libido. But it's multifactorial.
00:33:42.620
Again, a lot of the times it's a relationship issue as well. And so I say this testosterone is
00:33:47.360
not going to fix your relationship with your wife. It may improve your libido slightly, but there are
00:33:51.860
other factors you have to focus on. And the women have to participate. You know,
00:33:56.920
the more you telegraph to him, you want him, the more it will help. I mean, if you're walking around
00:34:02.280
all day saying like, I'm not into it, get off of me. No, it's a no. Again, the less he's going to want
00:34:08.020
you. I think that one of the things that turns the guy on the most is him thinking you want him and you
00:34:12.940
want it. Right. Megan, you nailed it. So listen, I got to tell you a story. So when I started my
00:34:18.220
practice back in 2008, I was able to get these men, these amazing erections, great libido,
00:34:25.020
everything was fantastic. And then they would go home and they'd have no enough sex with because
00:34:29.120
the wives would say, we haven't had sex in 10 years and now we won't have sex. And they were
00:34:32.980
furious. Many women called, they were very upset, said everything was great before he met you.
00:34:37.000
And now we're fighting all the time. And so essentially what you want to do is if you're
00:34:41.320
going to raise one partner's libido, you should raise the other partner's libido or just leave them both
00:34:46.980
low, but you don't want a discrepancy between one libido and the other. And that's why in 2008,
00:34:52.220
I started treating women for female sexual dysfunction. And just by treating one partner,
00:34:57.520
you actually can improve the libido of the other. In other words, if I skyrocket a woman's libido,
00:35:03.060
the libido and sexual function in a man also improves. So the take home point, this is a couple's
00:35:09.020
disease. You just can't focus on one person. This is a couple's disease. By treating both,
00:35:13.840
you're actually treating the whole entire couple. That's so good. That's so good to know. Now,
00:35:18.680
what about testosterone? Because you hear it mentioned all the time now, this guy's on it,
00:35:23.780
he's on it, he needs to go on it. Who does need testosterone?
00:35:27.720
It's important to realize that there is some abuse with testosterone. And there are many,
00:35:31.780
several years ago, there was a study showing that 27% of men who started testosterone never even had a
00:35:36.500
blood test prior to starting testosterone. Many men will get it from the gym. It needs to be monitored.
00:35:41.940
There can be some significant side effects that can affect your health. One meaning that your red
00:35:46.740
blood cell count can get very high, which can affect your health. And it can cause infertility.
00:35:52.260
So many young patients do not know that taking testosterone makes you infertile. Then they come
00:35:57.160
to our clinic and they say, no one told me that it can make me infertile. So the reality is that
00:36:02.140
younger men, we try to stay away from using testosterone. We try to use meds that make them make the
00:36:08.360
testosterone. That's safe, right? Helps keep the fertility, makes it safe. But the perfect candidate
00:36:14.020
for someone who needs testosterone is someone who has a low testosterone value. And most of the
00:36:19.380
country uses the number 300 nanogram per deciliter, and they have signs and symptoms. So you have to
00:36:25.280
have both low testosterone value and signs and symptoms. And then we go through the seven different
00:36:30.600
treatment options we can offer you to see if we can improve your symptoms.
00:36:34.200
And so what a guy who goes on testosterone, let's say two months later, what, what, what do you hear?
00:36:40.900
Like, what's how, how has his life been improved?
00:36:44.100
So not everyone sees a significant improvement, but the majority of men in our practice do see a
00:36:49.480
significant improvement. And that means my sex drive has gone up. My energy has gone up my muscle
00:36:55.160
mass. Remember bodybuilders take testosterone because they get very cut in the gym. It's the same
00:36:59.360
testosterone, right? The difference is bodybuilders are starting at a normal level and they're trying to go
00:37:03.760
super high. We're going from someone who's low and just getting them into the normal range. But they
00:37:08.480
say my muscle mass, I've lost weight, my energy, my libido, my rectal function has improved. Some
00:37:14.480
patients report improvements in depression and sleep. We don't talk about depression, but in 2011, I
00:37:20.180
published a big paper, almost 850 patients and looking at men who have low testosterone. And we'll be
00:37:26.880
shocked to find that majority of these men actually suffer from some degree of depression. And in our study,
00:37:32.300
when we gave men testosterone back, many of these men saw significant improvement in their depressive
00:37:36.740
symptoms, even if they were on an antidepressant, suggesting maybe a synergistic effect between
00:37:42.080
testosterone and an antidepressant. Now, I don't want the listeners to think that you should use
00:37:46.200
testosterone to treat depression, but I definitely think that if you suffer from depression, you should
00:37:51.280
check your testosterone level because adding it may help.
00:37:56.380
Yeah, so there's many ways to do it. The new exciting ways to do it are the oral testosterone
00:38:03.320
levels or testosterone pills, excuse me. So oral testosterone came out in 1970, called
00:38:10.600
andrial, it's called undecanoate. And it was available throughout the world, but it never made
00:38:15.680
it to the United States. In 2019, the US, we got our first oral testosterone undecanoate pill
00:38:22.280
called Jatenzo. And then last year, we got two more, Talando and Kaisotrex. So now we have three
00:38:28.860
oral testosterone on the market, and they're very good, but you have to take it twice a day. And
00:38:34.120
Americans don't mind taking pills. So these medications are very effective in raising the
00:38:38.720
testosterone level, and they have a very good side effect profile. So they don't have too many
00:38:43.080
side effects compared to the other ones. But most Americans will use an injection or a gel or a cream.
00:38:48.400
And I like the injections because they're very easy to get. And most of my patients will inject
00:38:54.300
into the fat twice a week. I ask them to inject Sunday and Thursday, because if you inject Sunday,
00:38:59.260
these peak in 24 hours. So if you inject Sunday, you're ready for Monday. If you inject Thursday,
00:39:04.200
you're ready for the weekend. And they're very, very effective. Other forms as a gel, you rub a gel
00:39:09.940
on your shoulder every day. There's a nasal formulation. There are patches that you can use.
00:39:15.100
There's pellets. So the patient comes in once every three to four months, and I insert a tiny pellet in
00:39:20.600
the fat, and that dissolves over three to four months, which is also very effective. So as you
00:39:25.120
can see, there are numerous different types of formulations. It's just really what the patient
00:39:28.680
prefers. What are the risks? Is it like a heart attack? There's got to be some downside.
00:39:36.220
I'm glad you brought that up because in 2015, there was some concern that testosterone causes a heart
00:39:43.120
attack. And at that year, the FDA had requested that there be a large trial conducted to assess if
00:39:51.360
testosterone causes a heart attack. This trial was called the TRAVERSE trial started in 2018. And it
00:39:58.760
ended this year in January. And two months ago, the article was published. And I was one of the authors
00:40:06.440
of this article. It was 5,200 patients, randomized placebo-controlled trial, five years. And what it
00:40:14.340
showed was there was no increase in heart attack. So finally, we got the study that shows no increase
00:40:19.600
in heart attack. But there can be some side effects. In other words, if you want to monitor the red blood
00:40:23.960
cell count, it can get elevated. You can get hypertension. Some people can increase in blood
00:40:28.120
pressure. So you want to be careful. We talked about infertility as well. Some patients at very high
00:40:34.240
levels can get what we call roid rage, some changes in behavior. So you just want to be careful as
00:40:38.620
well. So we wanted to monitor. Good news, 2018, the AUA, the American Urologic Association, showed
00:40:45.520
no increase in prostate cancer. So that's important to know that as well.
00:40:49.360
Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. So should every, like when, when should a man get his testosterone tested? Like
00:40:55.120
a lot of guys feel tired and as they age, maybe libido falls a little. What, you know,
00:41:00.000
how do you know, I want to have this tested and see where my levels are?
00:41:03.740
So most guidelines would say you should get your levels tested. If you have symptoms,
00:41:07.940
right? Low libido, low energy, erectile dysfunction, that would be a good time to get
00:41:11.280
your levels checked. I believe that every man in their 40s should get at least one testosterone
00:41:15.720
level because later on in life, you could compare the drop to see where you started,
00:41:19.780
be very helpful. And to me, the best blood test for a man's overall health is his testosterone.
00:41:25.740
It's a marker of fertility. It's low testosterone has been implicated in cardiovascular risk,
00:41:30.360
low testosterone, prostate health. So metabolic syndrome. So I think testosterone to me is the
00:41:36.780
best marker of overall health. And I think men in their 40s should at least have one testosterone
00:41:41.240
value checked. Now, I am not asking you to diagnose RFK Jr., but he put out a videotape of himself.
00:41:49.460
He's 69 doing like pushups and all these athletics without his shirt on. And he looks amazing.
00:41:54.660
He looks great. He doesn't look 69 at all. And he looks ripped. And then the Internet was set on
00:42:01.140
fire with people saying he's on testosterone, which in his case they thought would be controversial
00:42:05.460
because he's not a big pharma fan. But is it possible for a 69 year old man, not him, but one in
00:42:12.960
general to look ripped, to be totally fit, to be agile, to be spry without testosterone, without
00:42:21.200
taking it? Absolutely. So I used to think that there was this concept called male menopause,
00:42:27.520
just like women go through menopause. I would tell my patients there's something called male
00:42:30.920
menopause. As you get older, your testosterone will get lower and lower, and then you will need
00:42:35.000
to start testosterone. But male menopause is not true. Actually, you can see many patients in their
00:42:40.000
70s, even 80s that can have normal testosterone as long as they are healthy. The reason why the
00:42:46.000
testosterone falls is because we acquire comorbid conditions as we get older. Diabetes, obesity is
00:42:53.260
one of the worst. Metabolic syndrome. As you acquire those conditions, your testosterone will
00:42:57.500
fall. But if you maintain overall good health, you should not see a precipitous drop in your overall
00:43:03.000
testosterone levels. A slight decline, that's true, but it's not a precipitous drop. So if you take care
00:43:07.940
of yourself, eat healthy, exercise, sleep, maintain your stress, it's not unheard of to have someone at
00:43:13.860
that age be in good shape and be ripped. See, this is why, like, with all these weight loss drugs that
00:43:20.900
everybody loves to rip on, this is why I think that they could be key. I mean, if you're obese
00:43:27.520
and you cannot lose the weight, look at all the health benefits that could come to you if you
00:43:33.100
potentially, you know, use, let's say you don't have a gastric bypass or one of the other procedures,
00:43:38.280
you use one of these drugs, your sexual function could go up, your testosterone could go up,
00:43:43.220
you would feel better, your brain health will go up, you'll sleep better, your heart attack risk
00:43:50.260
Megan, you nailed it because I've been treating men for many years. I treat many women many years
00:43:54.460
and we'll use hormones to help them feel better. And over the past two years, we found that there's
00:43:59.220
something else that actually makes them feel fantastic. And it's weight loss. If a man or a
00:44:03.820
woman loses 20 or 30 pounds, the libido goes up, the sexual function goes up, they sleep better.
00:44:08.180
Weight loss has a profound effect on a patient's overall health and sexual health as well. And so
00:44:14.600
many of these medications like semaglutide, we do use in our practice because it does affect their
00:44:20.320
overall sexual health. Lower testosterone levels are associated with obesity. The best study I found
00:44:26.880
was that if you lose 10% of your body weight, you'll increase your testosterone by 100 in men. If you lose 15%
00:44:33.360
of your body weight, you almost increase your testosterone by 300. So that's a big, big bump.
00:44:38.780
And so weight loss really makes a big impact, as you mentioned, not only on testosterone,
00:44:45.360
It's funny because I had comedian Andrew Schultz on the show a year ago or so, and he's hilarious.
00:44:52.720
And he's made the point to me a couple of times that women get very self-conscious when they're having
00:44:57.880
sex with their partners or taking off their clothes, especially in the early part of a relationship.
00:45:01.620
Oh God, I've got this insecurity. I've got that insecurity. Something weird happened in the act.
00:45:06.180
You know, and he was basically like, we don't care at all. If we don't care, all we want is access.
00:45:13.860
But the truth is for a man or a woman, yes, if we feel we look good, we're going to want sex more.
00:45:20.980
So it's like not necessarily about attracting your partner. It's about in your own head.
00:45:24.500
Absolutely. Body self-image has a profound effect on person's libido, right? If I take care of a lot
00:45:31.860
of women, we put them on medications to help them lose weight. If she loses 30 or 40 pounds,
00:45:37.200
she feels very sexy. She feels very good. Her libido goes up significantly just with the weight
00:45:42.740
loss alone. Putting her also on testosterone therapy in addition has significantly increased
00:45:47.420
her libido. So it's not just about giving her testosterone. It's really the whole thing,
00:45:52.240
sex therapy, lifestyle modification, but weight loss has a profound effect.
00:45:57.760
And like I said, we are going to get, we'll do a deep dive on women's health next week too,
00:46:02.280
but testosterone is potentially available to women. I know a couple of women who are on it
00:46:06.780
and they love it. But there are also ways of like increasing your drive as you get older
00:46:13.240
without taking testosterone. We'll talk about that for women as well. So there's all sorts of options
00:46:17.440
available. Yeah. What were you going to say? We got a minute before.
00:46:18.940
Just make sure, you know, it's off label. So you can't walk into Walgreens today and say,
00:46:23.220
give me testosterone for women. It doesn't exist. It exists for men. So you have to get it compounded
00:46:28.720
or get a cream, but there are two new medications. We can talk about them that are really good for
00:46:33.220
libido in women that just came out over the past eight years. Uh, and that's, you can get them a
00:46:39.740
We should talk about that. I, my one friend said she was getting her testosterone from Australia
00:46:44.780
because they actually had a version that was for women, which led me to say like, how effed up are
00:46:50.460
we here in America that like half the population is not being serviced with this? Why are the Aussies
00:46:55.500
thinking about the ladies and the Americans aren't like, we got to step up our game. Uh, all right, doc,
00:47:00.240
standby. I want to get into a lot of other things, including most men obsessed about size.
00:47:05.640
They're obsessed about size. They think women are obsessed with size. I don't know if that's true.
00:47:10.240
Um, and also deformities. A lot of guys have them and it's very embarrassing and it could be painful,
00:47:16.000
uh, much, much more to go through, including cancer and porn. Don't go away. Uh, and don't
00:47:21.420
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our full archives of more than 600 shows now. Okay. So I had one follow-up question on testosterone,
00:47:45.540
Dr. Carol, one of our viewers and listeners on Twitter wrote in with this on the subject of low
00:47:50.300
T low testosterone. Is there an epidemic of it? You know, are we falling? You hear a lot of, um,
00:47:56.440
you know, experts suggest all the plastics, you know, the water contaminant contamination we read
00:48:02.920
about are causing like an epidemic of low T that may be manifesting in a number of different ways
00:48:08.140
in our society. Is that true? No, it is true. And there is a study looking at testosterone levels
00:48:13.160
decade by decade, showing that our testosterone levels are dropping. Now, what that may correlate with
00:48:19.140
is where if you look at obesity decade by decade, it's now an epidemic in the United States,
00:48:24.620
diabetes and epidemic. So maybe those comorbid conditions are contributing to the low T.
00:48:30.200
What's also interesting, remember a man needs testosterone for sperm production. So our sperm
00:48:35.500
counts are also going down. Men's sperm counts are going down as well. And it all may be related.
00:48:42.040
Hmm. Does it have anything to do? I mean, I know this is a thin ice, but does, do you think it has
00:48:47.440
anything to do with the trans craze and like so many more people saying that they're trans?
00:48:51.920
Is there any study underway to see whether these things are related? Low T in a man who might be
00:48:57.940
then confused? No, I don't. I have not seen any studies like that whatsoever. I really think if
00:49:03.920
you look decade by decade, you know, um, the T levels go down, but if you look at a graph and
00:49:08.780
superimpose it, obesity, every decade is going up. Diabetes is going up. It's really an epidemic in the
00:49:15.060
United States. And it's no, no surprise that you'll start seeing those lower and lower testosterone
00:49:20.680
levels correlate with those rises in those comorbid conditions. Um, and it's unfortunate,
00:49:25.260
but I do think that as men tend to lose weight, tend to take care of themselves,
00:49:28.060
we should start seeing a return, uh, in the other direction, but, um, we have work to do.
00:49:33.000
Is it, if a man has low sperm count, I, this is a weird question, but is it a fertility issue
00:49:40.540
given how many sperm they produce, you know, it just on a one-time basis, like, does it matter?
00:49:47.700
They've got so many. Let's talk about it. Very important. So 15% of all couples in the United
00:49:52.640
States will have some infertility issues. And we know that 50% of the time it's a female factor,
00:49:58.120
30% of the time it's a male factor, and 20% of the time it's combined male and female.
00:50:04.220
So indirectly 50% of the time the male is involved in infertility. And, uh, you're right. The average
00:50:10.840
used to be roughly 80 million per ml. The numbers are coming down 80 million sperm per ml, but you have
00:50:16.160
to multiply that by how many ml's you have. The average man has 1.5 to 5 milliliters of seminal
00:50:22.220
fluid. So that's important. And you have to multiply that by how many are moving. Let's say a man has
00:50:27.260
a hundred million sperm, but none are moving. Well, that doesn't help me very much. Right. So
00:50:31.720
they have to be moving and it's an odds game. So the odds game means the more you have moving,
00:50:36.960
the greater the chances for fertility. And so, yes, um, you know, as you, it sounds like a lot,
00:50:42.000
but again, the more you have the greater the chances for fertility. Okay. A hundred ml,
00:50:47.860
you mean on, on for each ejaculate or how many a hundred million sperm for what?
00:50:53.400
Yeah. So, so each ejaculate will typically have, um, 1.5 to 5 milliliters of fluid, 1.5 to 5 milliliters
00:51:02.840
of fluid. And each milliliter, a normal cutoff should be roughly about 60 to 80 million per
00:51:10.260
milliliter. So that's a lot of sperm now. Yeah, it's a lot, but you only need the new guidelines
00:51:16.180
came out. The cutoff for when you may fall in trouble is 15. So as a man falls below 15 million
00:51:22.920
per milliliter, that's when we start seeing more difficulty in natural conception. And so there
00:51:28.520
are new technologies available now to help men. Um, remember male infertility is not hard either.
00:51:33.320
He's blocked or he's not making it. There's only two options. He's either blocked or not making it.
00:51:38.200
And we just have to figure out what side he's on and then we can treat that side to make it better.
00:51:44.360
And while we're on the subject of making babies, uh, I heard another urologist giving a talk at Google
00:51:49.480
saying that withdrawal actually works pretty well. I was like, that's exactly the opposite of what
00:51:56.040
they told us when we were young Catholics and especially girls growing up. It was like,
00:51:59.640
if that thing comes anywhere near you, you're pregnant.
00:52:01.880
I would be very careful on that technique for your fertility, uh, uh, to try to avoid pregnancy,
00:52:09.080
uh, with the, the most common form of birth control in the world is a vasectomy. It's, uh,
00:52:14.920
takes, uh, less than 10 minutes. Uh, it's extremely effective. Um, they talk about the failure rate
00:52:20.680
as one in 2000. And so, I mean, I've never seen it, but that that's the failure rate.
00:52:25.560
Um, but it is a very, very good form of birth control and it does, but the men don't get that
00:52:30.760
because they're afraid they don't want the procedure, right? They're worried it's going to
00:52:33.960
hurt or lead to ED, right? Yeah. So what they think about is men worry that they may lose their
00:52:39.800
ejaculatory volume. Remember that 90% of the seminal fluid comes from the prostate or the,
00:52:47.640
or the seminal vesicles, which means that if you do a vasectomy, a man loses only 10%
00:52:53.400
of his seminal volume. In fact, if I remove a man's testicles, he will still have 90% of his
00:52:59.400
seminal fluid. So that's this misconception that I'm going to lose a lot of fluid. Um,
00:53:03.880
and, uh, it's going to feel different, but the reality is that's not true.
00:53:07.320
So you basically don't notice very mild. You really don't notice. Okay. Okay. All right.
00:53:14.040
So let's talk about something called Peyronie's disease, which I understand is sort of a,
00:53:20.120
I don't know if we should say disfigured, but it's a, it, it makes the penis look different.
00:53:24.200
And, um, I guess a fair amount of men suffer from this. What is this?
00:53:27.880
This is so important because so many men suffer from this up to 9% of men suffer from
00:53:33.640
Peyronie's disease, but not many people have heard of it. And what I want you to think about
00:53:37.400
when Peyronie's disease, it's an abnormal curvature of the penis when it's erect. When the penis curves
00:53:43.720
greater than 60 degrees, it's prohibitive for intercourse. And the most common cause for
00:53:49.560
Peyronie's disease is injury to the penis, a buckling trauma during intercourse. And so these men are
00:53:55.480
very, very depressed. It's a disfigurement. Um, and now there are treatment options. The first FDA
00:54:01.160
approved treatment came out in 2015 called Zyflex, which is an injection, which I placed into the
00:54:07.080
plaque and break the plaque up. I think the best way I can explain to patients is this. I have a
00:54:12.040
balloon. I put a piece of duct tape on the balloon and I blow the balloon up. What is going to happen?
00:54:17.960
Everything's going to expand except that tape. And it's going to curve in the direction of the tape.
00:54:21.720
That's the exact same thing. So those injections are trying to break the tape off and let the penis
00:54:27.400
become straight again. Or I can do a surgery called the plication where I put stitches on the opposite
00:54:32.920
side and straighten the penis. But again, this is something that many men suffer from, and they
00:54:38.360
don't discuss it because they don't think there are any treatment options. So you get this by like
00:54:43.880
having rough sex where you, where you get injured. It's not really a disease. It's, it's trauma. And so
00:54:49.880
remember in a theoretical sense, sex is trauma to the penis, right? And what happens is if you start
00:54:56.680
getting a small amount of erectile dysfunction, that's when you're in trouble. If a man has 100%
00:55:01.880
rigid penis, he's not going to injure it. If he has a 70, 80% rigid penis, he will be able to penetrate,
00:55:08.440
but he's going to undergo a buckling trauma that's going to injure that penis. And then he starts
00:55:12.600
getting a scar in that area. And then it starts curving over time. Now, besides the injections,
00:55:18.040
there are other treatment options. There is a stretching device called the one we use is called
00:55:22.520
Restorex. And he wears a stretching device for 30 minutes, twice a day, at least. And that can help
00:55:28.360
also improve curvature as well. But, but there is an FDA approved treatment. And when many times
00:55:34.120
patients come into my office, they say, I never even knew that there was a treatment for this
00:55:38.280
condition I've been suffering from. Right, right. And I'm sure it's embarrassing and it's painful as you
00:55:42.360
point out. Um, so yeah, so you can, you can get treatment on Peyronie's and this is the thing
00:55:48.200
that's, you're not alone. If you have it, you don't have to live like that. What about guys? Cause I,
00:55:52.280
you know, the unspoken thing is guys worry about penis size. I really think having spent, you know,
00:55:57.800
52 years with women, this is not the issue that the movies and television would have men believe
00:56:04.040
that it is. I think it's more about technique, um, and loving your partner and all that stuff. But
00:56:09.320
there are guys who are obsessed with it. And now you hear more and more about the micro penis.
00:56:13.720
Why are, why are we having so many micro penises in today's day and age? And what,
00:56:17.720
what about size? What can men do if they really do want to work on this?
00:56:21.560
Right. So there is an obsession. There are many men who are obsessed with penile size. So just a
00:56:26.040
good way to think about it. There was a study that came out in 2014. The average erect penis was 14
00:56:31.160
centimeters or 5.5 inches. Now there's variation depending on race and age, but that's just one way to think
00:56:37.480
about it in the flaccid state. If you look at a flaccid man without an erection, the average
00:56:42.520
growth in that study was roughly four centimeters. Now, 26, 26% of men grew more than four centimeters,
00:56:48.680
but these are just some rough numbers to remember. But there is an obsession and there are many ways
00:56:52.920
to increase penile length. I'm not a big proponent on doing surgeries to increase penile length.
00:56:58.280
I think one of the safest ways to increase penile length, if a man is bothered by this,
00:57:02.440
is to use a stretching device. These devices, any part of our body, if we apply traction,
00:57:07.880
will change. Braces will change. You put anything on your ear, any kind of traction will change the
00:57:13.400
body, but it's called the plasticity of the body. So a stretching device can be very effective and,
00:57:19.080
but you just got to do the work. But I am not a big proponent on surgical procedures for penile
00:57:24.520
elongation. Is a stretching device just like stretching the skin? So now you just have sort of a long,
00:57:29.720
flabby penis as opposed to, you know, if it's not going to get erect and do the thing that you want
00:57:34.360
it to do, who cares? It's actually stretching the entire penis. The penis has two bodies called
00:57:38.680
cavernosal bodies. Think of them like cylinders. It's actually stretching the cylinders to make the
00:57:43.880
penis longer. And what's really interesting about those studies was that it actually increases the
00:57:48.360
girth as well. So remember, these are off label. So I just want to be very clear. These are not
00:57:52.760
indicated for penile elongation on label by the FDA, but off label use, not only does it increase penile length,
00:57:59.000
but it can increase penile girth. And for the Peyronie's patients, it can make the penis straighter.
00:58:04.280
So an easy way to do it as long as you're willing to put in the time.
00:58:09.080
What are we talking about here? Like, you know, if you watch television late into the evening,
00:58:13.480
or at least used to be, you know, these ads would come on trying to get men to call in and get some
00:58:17.960
sort of penile supplementation device, whatever. That all seemed like bullshit to me. But is you're
00:58:23.720
saying there actually is something I imagine they should get it from their doctor. And is it a
00:58:28.360
painful situation? Like, what is a machine? What is it?
00:58:31.000
Very interesting. So you're right. These originally came from the porn sites. And then in 2010,
00:58:36.920
we started using these devices medically, but they have been significant advancements in these types
00:58:42.600
of machines. It's basically a device. It's a traction device that's spring loaded. A man can control the
00:58:48.120
amount of spring and tension he can use. The Restorec is very nice because you can actually
00:58:53.080
bend the penis in the opposite direction where you're curving. So if a man's penis is curving up,
00:58:57.640
he can wear the device and it will bend it down for 30 minutes twice a day. And that's been shown to
00:59:03.240
significantly improve the curvature and the length and the girth. But you are right, Megan. These
00:59:09.320
actually came from penile elongation porn sites and those late night videos. We just have adapted them
00:59:14.760
since 2010 and now use them more medically. Again, it's off label. So I do think it's important
00:59:20.120
that patients know that. And I definitely think you should speak to your provider or your physician
00:59:24.360
as opposed to just going to get them for some counseling. That is unbelievable. Oh, who knew?
00:59:29.720
Okay. Good to know it's out there for the guys who have to labor under this problem or this,
00:59:34.360
you know, if you feel embarrassed about it. Let's talk about ejaculatory issues because there's
00:59:39.800
there's premature ejaculation and then there's like delayed ejaculation or no, no ejaculation.
00:59:46.920
Some men have a problem of not being able to do it at all, which seems like a really tough problem.
00:59:52.440
But can you talk about those are three problems that a lot of guys deal with?
00:59:57.080
Big problems. Think about it. 30% of men in the US, one out of three suffers from premature ejaculation.
01:00:04.040
That is a astounding number. And there's two types of premature ejaculation. There's the type
01:00:08.680
where someone has it their entire life. That's important. Or someone who has it acquired. In
01:00:14.360
other words, everything was going great till I was 40. And all of a sudden I started getting
01:00:17.640
premature ejaculation and we treat them a little bit differently. But both of them have to have
01:00:22.040
three components. One is that you have to have a loss of control, meaning you tried not to ejaculate,
01:00:27.240
but it just happened. That's loss of control. Number two is that you have to have a decreased
01:00:31.640
ejaculatory time. And we now use two minutes if it's lifelong. If it's acquired, it's about a 50%
01:00:37.400
reduction of what you're used to having. And then you have to be bothered by it. And that's really
01:00:41.560
important because if a man comes to me and says, look, I ejaculate in 30 seconds and I'm fine with
01:00:45.480
it, then it's not an issue. So those are very important. And what you want to do is start some
01:00:51.240
medications. And the medications, as we talked about earlier, were those antidepressants.
01:00:55.240
Antidepressants significantly delay the ejaculatory time. So I think that is very,
01:01:00.360
very important. Sex therapy, really, really helpful. I think that could be very helpful.
01:01:05.240
And then also we sometimes use off-label medications like Tramadol or Flomax or some
01:01:11.160
alpha blockers. These are all in the guidelines. So again, this is treatable. One of the best
01:01:16.440
treatments also, which you can get online is a lidocaine spray. It's called Promescent and they
01:01:22.120
ship it to you and it numbs the penis so that your excitement's not that high. And then you can
01:01:27.240
go longer as well. So the lidocaine spray is simple, easy. Will you still have a climax if you do that?
01:01:33.160
You won't if you put on too much spray, right? So you've got to kind of up to eight sprays. The
01:01:37.800
more sprays you put on, the more numb the penis becomes.
01:01:43.640
You wipe it off before you engage in sexual activity,
01:01:46.520
but it penetrates the skin and gets in there. So it numbs the penis. And so when it numbs the penis,
01:01:52.200
you can go longer because there's not that heightened sense of excitement.
01:01:55.480
Okay. Now here too, I read that. What was that? Hold on. I wrote it down.
01:02:03.160
Okay. If you have premature ejaculatory problems, that when you're masturbating,
01:02:09.400
you have to quote masturbate for longevity. You shouldn't rush through it. Like basically,
01:02:15.160
you need to practice extending the minutes. Is that true?
01:02:19.800
So there is a technique, a start stop technique and squeeze technique, but these are done by a sex
01:02:25.800
therapist to teach you how to delay the time. I've never, we never counsel truly with masturbation
01:02:31.880
itself because the problem is really when you're having sex with your partner typically. And two of
01:02:36.680
the best techniques out there are called the start stop technique. So when you're about to get
01:02:40.440
increased pleasure, you stop, or you can squeeze the glands, which takes away the ability or desire
01:02:46.360
to ejaculate. So these techniques are a cure. So I tell patients, if you're looking for a cure,
01:02:51.240
go see the sex therapist. If you're looking for a bandaid, take the meds. But I really,
01:02:55.320
really think that a sex therapist, this is a high value for a visit with a sex therapist.
01:03:03.160
I'm going to get to the other problems as well, but we have a couple of callers,
01:03:05.800
so I'm going to fold them in throughout the next half an hour while we have you.
01:03:08.760
Scott in Pennsylvania has a question about something we were just discussing. Scott. Hi,
01:03:13.400
thanks for calling in. What's your question for the good doctor?
01:03:16.200
I cannot believe I'm calling a national radio show about this. But hey, what the heck,
01:03:23.160
So I had P. Droni's disease. I got the Zyoflex. And it's very bizarre. It seemed to work,
01:03:31.400
like as the doctor probably knows, you get four injections over so many months. And I got,
01:03:37.000
the first two seemed to really help. And then it got worse or back to normal at the second two.
01:03:43.960
So I have, you know, appointment to go back to my doctor and we're going to talk about, you know,
01:03:49.480
what to do. But I think you answered my question. So you're saying, like he said,
01:03:53.960
there is surgery available, but could you do the injections again? Would that help? Or you just
01:04:00.920
mentioned like the traction device. So I should probably do that is what you're saying. Great
01:04:07.160
question. So remember, it's a total of eight injections. And after you complete the eight
01:04:11.160
injections on average, patients see about a 30 to 35% improvement. And not all men will see that
01:04:16.360
amount of improvement, but it varies. But if sometimes what happens is you may develop a new
01:04:22.040
plaque along the shaft. So you're treating one, but if you have Peyronie's disease,
01:04:27.080
you have a higher predilection of having a new plaque somewhere along the shaft. So you may be
01:04:31.320
seeing a manifestation of another plaque. Now, I do think that if you want to get the full effect
01:04:36.200
of the medication, finish the four rounds or the eight injections. And then once you're done,
01:04:42.600
say, okay, where am I? And if you decide you want to go more conservative, you can use the
01:04:47.240
stretching devices again, off label, or you can do the surgery. What's nice about the surgery is it will
01:04:52.520
fix the problem. It's a placation procedure. The only downside, biggest downside of the
01:04:57.240
placation procedure is you will lose some penile length. You lose about four millimeters for every
01:05:02.200
10 degree of curvature. So some men say that's a no deal breaker.
01:05:06.040
Four millimeters. That's, that's a small amount.
01:05:08.600
I mean, that's for every 10 degree of curvature. So if you're 40 degrees,
01:05:12.120
1.6. So every 10 degrees, so it can vary, but you're right.
01:05:16.440
How does he, if he wants to get the machine that you were talking about that, you know,
01:05:19.800
strengthens it and, or like lengthens it and straightens it. What is that thing called?
01:05:24.920
The one that I use is called Restorex. It comes out of the Mayo Clinic. There are many different
01:05:28.840
types. What I like about the Restorex out of the Mayo Clinic is it bends the penis in the opposite
01:05:34.040
direction as it's pulling it. So not only is it making it larger, but it's helping with the curve
01:05:39.000
as well. That's why I typically use that again, off label. So guys, I hope you're what,
01:05:44.200
I hope what you're taking away from this conversation is this, it may sound scary to talk about,
01:05:48.120
but it's not that scary to talk. We should be talking about it. You want good sexual health.
01:05:51.480
It's part of your overall health. There's nothing wrong with you. If you have a curved penis or if
01:05:56.120
you have ED or if you have premature ejaculation, these are all normal things that can be addressed.
01:06:01.000
You just have to be willing to matter of factly discuss it with your doctor and get the help you
01:06:05.400
need and that you deserve. Jones has got a call. Jones is calling from Oklahoma and has a question for
01:06:13.240
you, Dr. Cara. Jones, what's your question? Okay. I'm on Citalopram Celexa and that basically takes
01:06:23.400
the sex drive to zero, which is very frustrating for my wife. And we're both in our 50s. So is there
01:06:31.400
something, I've tried a couple of different medications. It's all the same as far as close to the
01:06:38.440
Celexa, but the sex drive is just gone. Is there something I can do to improve that?
01:06:45.160
So very helpful. And that is true. Celexa's side effect is a significant decrease in libido.
01:06:50.200
What's really interesting about these medications is that there's a dose response curve, meaning that
01:06:55.560
if you're on a high dose, let's say 60 of Celexa, could you possibly come down to 30, still get the
01:07:01.400
benefit, but you will have a significant improvement in libido and sexual function. So one option is to try to
01:07:08.120
get down to only the lowest dose that you need. So that will preserve your sexual function the best
01:07:13.480
you can. The other option is to try, as I mentioned earlier, a different antidepressant like Wellbutrin.
01:07:20.280
Now I do want, you need to speak to your provider, make sure that they're comfortable with this,
01:07:25.080
but there are other types of antidepressants that actually enhance libido and sexual function
01:07:30.680
in ejaculatory time, such as Wellbutrin. So you may want to ask if that can be an alternative,
01:07:36.200
or you may want to see if you can lower the dose. If you can't, then we use other types of medications
01:07:41.640
to try to do what we call a workaround to get you there. Because it is, I mean, if you're not having sex,
01:07:47.960
it's depressing. And having sex, just the stimulation, not to mention climax, all that
01:07:53.000
stuff is very good for your mental health and your well-being. So it's like that these drugs that are
01:07:58.200
supposed to cure your depression, but actually cause you not to be able to have any sexual function or not,
01:08:01.960
you know, it's one step forward, two step backwards. Um, so it's a good, it's a good question to ask.
01:08:07.160
Let me ask you, um, about the, the men who can't ejaculate. That's also a problem apparently for some
01:08:13.400
guys. Right. So this is either delayed ejaculation or an ejaculation means I can't ejaculate at all.
01:08:20.920
And that can be very frustrating. Now in this population, you have to ask them, is there any
01:08:26.120
problem with masturbation? They say, yeah, with masturbation, no problem. But with my wife,
01:08:30.200
if it takes forever, then that's a psychologic issue and they need to see a sex therapist.
01:08:34.200
So that's a very important question, but delayed ejaculation typically can happen with, um,
01:08:39.560
medications like antidepressants. And typically that has the same three components. They have to
01:08:44.360
be bothered by it. So, uh, no control. And they basically have to have a delayed time. Typically
01:08:50.360
we do two standard deviations, uh, up to 20 minutes can be delayed ejaculation and it's a problem.
01:08:57.000
Um, and there's no FDA approved treatment for this. So we use off label medications. And so
01:09:03.480
any medication that can increase dopamine in the brain may be beneficial. Uh, anything that increases
01:09:09.320
norepinephrine may be beneficial and anything that decreases serotonin may be beneficial. There are
01:09:15.000
male vibrators. Vibrect has been used to help men with their ejaculatory time as well. So that may be
01:09:21.400
beneficial. Absolutely check the testosterone level because if the testosterone level is low,
01:09:26.360
that could be an impact as well. Um, so there are many things that we have to do to look at,
01:09:30.680
to improve the ejaculatory time. I know we talked about this earlier, but there are some off label
01:09:34.600
medications. One of them is the one we for women. So in 2015, there was a drug called Addy, A-D-D-Y-I,
01:09:41.480
that came out first drug ever for women for sexual dysfunction. It's a big deal. So in 2015,
01:09:46.920
if I walked into Walgreens, I said, put on the table, all the medications for men for sexual
01:09:51.080
dysfunction, they'd put out 33 drugs. I said, give me all the drugs for women for sexual
01:09:55.320
dysfunction. Zero, not one for sexual dysfunction till that year. And what does Addy do? It increases
01:10:02.440
dopamine, increase norepinephrine, decreases serotonin. And it's the first drug ever for women,
01:10:08.360
FDA approved strictly to increase her desire for sex. That's the FDA approval strictly to increase
01:10:14.600
their desire for sex. So several years later, I went to the FDA and said, I want to give it to
01:10:19.080
men and I want to do it in a clinical trial. So I got permission. I got an IND to give it to men in
01:10:23.720
a clinical trial, uh, to see if I can improve their libido. So I do think there's some other
01:10:27.720
medications that we can use. Is Addy, uh, is that a, like a, an oral tablet? How does that work?
01:10:33.880
It's an oral tablet that she takes every single day strictly to increase her desire for sex.
01:10:39.240
Now, uh, I, I worry, like, I don't want men slipping this into their wives' coffees in the
01:10:44.520
morning. There you go, honey. I'll make it for you again. It just needs to be regulated. The
01:10:48.760
woman needs to choose and it has to be done right now. There's two drugs. There's a new one that came
01:10:53.320
out after that called by Lisi, which is an EpiPen that she injects 45 minutes before sex strictly to
01:10:59.320
increase her desire for sex. So now we have two drugs out there strictly for low libido in women.
01:11:05.000
Oh, that's awesome. I'm very glad to hear that. And I, I would think like that when I was reading
01:11:10.840
about the, like the delayed ejaculation, like that, that would be a deal breaker for a lot of
01:11:15.480
women too. It's like, you want it to be the sweet number of minutes. It can't be too short,
01:11:18.840
but it can't be too long either. We're busy and we're tired. And it's like, I don't have 45 minutes
01:11:23.640
for you. It was like, you know, you get up and get down. Like we're going to have to get down to
01:11:27.240
business. So we should talk about it again and see a urologist. Is it, by the way, is it
01:11:32.520
like a urologist? Is that your first line of defense? Like I'm having an issue. I got to get
01:11:36.660
a urologist. Well, yeah, for these types of issues, which are more complicated, I would definitely see
01:11:41.440
a urologist for strict ED. I mean, you could see your primary care physician, you know, but when it
01:11:45.780
gets to more like, you know, a detailed delayed ejaculation, delayed orgasmia, a significant PE,
01:11:51.220
premature ejaculation, Peyronie's disease, that's where you absolutely need to see a urologist.
01:11:55.580
Mm-hmm. Can we talk about masturbation and porn? Because I just feel like this is ruining the sex
01:12:04.060
lives, somewhat ironically, of a lot of men. They think it's going to help the sex lives and it does
01:12:09.860
exactly the opposite. And I think probably double, you can double that impact on the young men, you
01:12:15.720
know, the teenagers who have discovered online porn. Can you give us your thoughts?
01:12:19.360
Yes. So it's been a big problem because as pornography increases, what happens is the
01:12:25.660
libido and erectile function in men decline, the more pornography that he sees. And the reason being
01:12:32.240
is because he now has a new reality expectation. He expects X because he sees this on the screen
01:12:38.620
and he gets Y. And there's a big delta from what he's expecting and what he's getting. And so that
01:12:44.840
tends to cause decreased desire to engage in sexual activity with your partner, decreased
01:12:48.840
erectile function, decreased libido. And that's an issue. And so a lot of times we have to send
01:12:54.020
these patients, a sex therapist is very helpful to help them with their porn addiction. Porn
01:12:57.740
addiction is a reality, particularly now that we have the internet. And so, you know, whenever
01:13:03.340
you see someone, particularly a younger patient who comes in, who has ED, why is this 35-year-old
01:13:09.560
having ED? You have to ask them about their pornography usage.
01:13:12.860
Hmm. If a man is just masturbating all the time, is that going to cause problems? And same
01:13:21.860
question for a woman, you know, like I, does that increase your desire for your partner or does it
01:13:29.860
You know, I have not seen any study suggestion that it may increase or decrease. There's,
01:13:33.440
there's no negative long-term effects, um, of, uh, masturbation that I'm aware of. I do know
01:13:39.860
that when patients, uh, uh, engage in sex, for example, if a woman, uh, starts, has an orgasm
01:13:46.320
after a long time, it's been some time that reminder of the pleasure that is associated with
01:13:52.000
it may signal her to engage in sexual activity. Again, if she's not having sex for a long period
01:13:56.440
of time, then it's just out of sight, out of mind. So the pleasure itself is a reminder.
01:14:03.120
Maybe I do want to engage in this again. Hmm. Because you know, we're, we're telling them use
01:14:08.420
it or lose it, but if they're with a sexual partner who doesn't want to do it or they don't
01:14:13.380
have a sexual partner, so they only have themselves as their last option, but porn could be bad for
01:14:20.380
them. Like, I guess you're just supposed to use your imagination. Like what's the way forward?
01:14:25.400
Yeah. So the way forward obviously is to limit porn to, I would say to also work on their quality
01:14:30.340
of the relationship. You know, there's this big difference between men and women. It's called
01:14:33.720
stress. This is one of the dichotomies. If a man, uh, has a very stressful day, typically that man
01:14:40.180
will want to engage in sexual activity to relieve his stress. If a woman has a very stressful day,
01:14:45.740
then the last thing she typically is thinking about is sex, right? So in order to engage in a woman
01:14:50.500
into sexual activity, you want to relieve her stress, uh, and that will increase her desire to
01:14:54.480
engage in sexual activity. So there's, there are many things that you can do to work on a relationship.
01:14:58.780
Um, and that's where sex therapist comes in to enhance the amount of times the couple will engage
01:15:04.400
in sexual activity. These always get circulated on the internet, but like whenever the study comes
01:15:08.700
out showing the more housework the man does, the more sex he gets. I totally believe it. Right.
01:15:14.080
It's just like if you're, if you're feeling overworked and underappreciated and dirty all day,
01:15:18.860
like physically, actually physically dirty, you don't, you don't want it. But if you see your husband
01:15:22.920
pitching in and you're both working together toward a common goal, you're just, you're a little
01:15:26.980
lighter on your feet. That's it. That's actually, that's one of the best ways to engage, have sex
01:15:32.180
with your wife is to reduce her stress. Men listen up. All right, wait, I'm going to take another
01:15:37.460
call and then we'll take a break and we'll take more calls when we come back. Uh, let's go to Matt
01:15:40.520
in Michigan who has a doc, a question for Dr. Kara. Hi, Matt. What's your question?
01:15:46.020
Hi. Um, I'd like, uh, first, thank you for taking my call. But secondly, I wanted to know that
01:15:53.100
I've, I've been on opiates, actually Percocet can 10, 10, three, 25, whatever it is. And for over 20
01:16:01.420
years. And I have noticed for a long time, a difference in, and you know, the sex me and my
01:16:09.220
wife have. So I wanted to ask number one, does it, uh, take longer to ejaculate? It seems like
01:16:17.220
sometimes when you're, when you're on opiates. And number two, I went, uh, because of the
01:16:24.760
testosterone level, I thought it might be low. So I got the ageless male pill and started taking
01:16:30.220
it. And then I had, uh, uh, um, uh, embolism from, um, with, uh, I got them in my lungs and
01:16:38.820
everything. And the doctor said, that's because you're taking the testosterone pills, get rid of
01:16:43.200
them. So I just wanted to touch base on those two things. Let's talk about that. You bring up
01:16:49.280
a very important point. Three things can happen with opioids. The first thing is that when a man
01:16:54.280
take opioids, 74% of those men will have a precipitous drop in their serum testosterone levels
01:16:59.640
as early as four hours. So any man who's on chronic opioids, I strongly urge you to check your
01:17:05.200
testosterone level. It's the number one, one of the number one reasons why a man will have a drop in
01:17:10.340
a serum testosterone. Opioids will also delay the ejaculatory time, as you mentioned significantly,
01:17:15.300
and they can also lead to erectile dysfunction. So, so clearly you want to check your testosterone.
01:17:21.860
I don't believe in using a lot of the over the counter testosterone boosters, which you're
01:17:27.020
mentioning. Uh, if someone, um, uh, needs testosterone, I think they should, uh, get their
01:17:31.540
testosterone level checked and see a provider and get a prescription if it's warranted. Um, so I think,
01:17:38.000
you know, this concern that testosterone causes a cardiovascular event, um, was really mitigated
01:17:44.260
by the recent traverse trial, um, which showed that there was no increased risk in a cardiovascular
01:17:48.860
events. Um, but I do think that more studies are done in the traverse trial. There was a slight,
01:17:55.020
when I say slight 0.4 to 0.9% increase, um, in, uh, DVT. Um, so I think, uh, more studies need to
01:18:02.920
be done in that area. Deep vein thrombosis. What is, what is, is that related to pulmonary embolism?
01:18:08.000
Yes, there was. And so it was a very small statistically significant. So I don't want to
01:18:13.640
discount that at this point. Okay. What about, well, we're on the subject of sort of dulling
01:18:18.500
yourself alcohol. What, what's like, who should be questioning their use of alcohol when it comes
01:18:26.360
to sexual function? Yeah. So remember that alcohol can cause significant damage to the testicles.
01:18:33.320
And the way you want to remember is 40 grams, roughly 40 grams of alcohol can cause damage
01:18:38.640
to the testicle. Each drink that we have on average is about 14 grams. So that two drinks
01:18:43.940
is fine. When you get to that third drink per night, you're starting to cause some testicular
01:18:48.240
damage. So you just want to be like permanent, permanent testicular damage. Well, it depends how
01:18:53.620
long you drink. So not, so not one night, but if you're chronically drinking greater than three
01:18:58.560
drinks per night for an extended periods of time, then you can be susceptible to permanent
01:19:05.740
testicular damage. And so you just want to be a little bit careful. So alcoholics tend to have
01:19:11.560
a higher rate of infertility and lower rates of testosterone. And so, so those are, that's
01:19:17.020
important to remember that. So, so alcohol in moderation is okay. One of my favorite diets is
01:19:22.860
the Mediterranean diet and the Mediterranean diet, I think is probably the best diet for longevity and
01:19:27.880
overall health. And it encourages daily use of alcohol, uh, in moderation. And so I do think it
01:19:34.900
can be beneficial, but I think anything in excess, uh, can be an issue. Hmm. People use it as a,
01:19:41.700
to dull their inhibitions, right? So that they can go ask the woman out at the bar, but that that's not
01:19:49.100
all. It dulls, you know, for men and for women. Right. So it's like, be aware to be aware.
01:19:57.280
Hi, Scott, go ahead. Hi, uh, just have a question regarding resug, which is a reversible
01:20:02.880
male vasectomy. I first heard about, about 10 years ago that it seems like it's been stuck in the,
01:20:08.740
uh, approval process for all this time. And I'm trying to figure out if it's ever going to be
01:20:13.620
improved or not. Yeah, there, there's, there are many types of, uh, products that are coming out
01:20:19.180
for a reversible vasectomy. One of them obviously is putting a, so for example, a gel or a binding
01:20:25.100
agent that can put into the vas deferens and then it will dissolve over time. Um, none have made it out
01:20:31.080
yet. Um, my concern is that, you know, being almost, uh, a hundred percent is not a hundred percent.
01:20:38.340
So we have to make sure that in the clinical trials, uh, the chances of an unwanted pregnancy
01:20:44.400
are almost at least almost as good as a complete vasectomy. And I think that's what they're
01:20:49.480
struggling on is getting those numbers. Hmm. What about on the subject of, you know,
01:20:54.560
pregnancy and so on, you said the withdrawal, don't count on it. Condoms are obviously the
01:20:59.420
best to prevent against STDs, but what about STDs and male health and male birth control? For a while,
01:21:06.860
they were working on the male birth control pill. Is that still a thing? And also, can we talk about
01:21:12.280
the HPV vaccine? Because we had a debate on that about whether boys should be getting it,
01:21:16.860
whether girls should even be getting it, but what are your thoughts on those two things?
01:21:19.900
So you're right. So one of the best ways to control against STDs is condoms, right? That makes
01:21:23.920
a big difference. Um, but the reality is, is that, you know, um, that you can still get the, uh, the, uh,
01:21:30.440
STI. And so, uh, you know, we tell patients, um, that, you know, the Gardonella, you're talking
01:21:36.760
about the HPV vaccine. Those are typically best to use in patients prior to getting, engaging in
01:21:42.380
sexual activity. That's the best time. So you look at the teens, uh, women, uh, prior to engaging in
01:21:48.280
sexual activity, that's the best time to get the vaccine. Um, you remember that the HPV is a very
01:21:54.240
prevalent condition. People, when they come to me and say, I can't believe I have HPV. I say,
01:21:58.540
you know, it would be, you'd be surprised, uh, up to 30% of patients can have HPV in certain
01:22:03.300
populations. They just don't know it. Um, and most of these, uh, particularly like even herpes
01:22:08.640
will stay dormant, um, and they will not manifest, uh, until there's a stressful situation, stress,
01:22:14.720
meaning weather, uh, uh, stress, and just a mental stress, um, getting diabetes, immunocompromise.
01:22:21.020
Many patients don't know it, uh, that they have these conditions.
01:22:28.540
Well, you know, herpes obviously is treatable. HPV is, uh, treated, uh, as, uh, usually it's
01:22:35.360
surgical. When we see patients coming with HPV lesions, we'll use, um, uh, uh, uh, electrocautery,
01:22:41.980
we'll use freezing. There's medications you can use as well to, for the HPV lesions. So there are
01:22:47.280
things you can do, but unfortunately they come back, right? Cause they usually stay dormant. Uh,
01:22:56.360
Hmm. But if you get the vaccine, then you don't have to deal with it.
01:23:00.120
Yeah. It'll significantly reduce the risk, but the best time to take the vaccine is before you're
01:23:05.300
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Okay. Um, right. And we did, and we did a whole show on those
01:23:09.240
vaccines so you can go back and check it. Steve will get me the episode number for our audience.
01:23:13.660
Uh, okay. Let's see. Uh, okay. A lot of, a lot of people calling in with some questions. Good for
01:23:19.820
you guys. Appreciate that. Let's, let's talk to yeah. Gary in Mississippi, who's getting to a topic
01:23:25.200
we haven't yet discussed. Hi, Gary. What's your question? Hey, Megan. Hi doc. Listen, thanks for all
01:23:31.120
this. Um, I'm a prostate cancer survivor, you know, and having fun through the process of treatment and
01:23:38.880
then my sexual health after that, could the doctor just kind of touch on the thought process that men
01:23:46.120
go through when we're facing treatment and ultimately, you know, keeping that sexual function
01:23:52.160
going. You bring up a really important point. You know, it is devastating when a man undergoes a
01:23:59.280
radical prostatectomy or surgery for prostate cancer that the next day, uh, immediately most men will have
01:24:05.040
erectile dysfunction. Now over time, their erectile function will regain in many men, not all. And so
01:24:10.920
think about it. If you're 55 years old and you're going to have this surgery tomorrow. And then the day
01:24:15.220
after you say, okay, so I can't have sex with my wife. Uh, it can be very devastating because it's
01:24:19.960
abrupt. It's all of a sudden. And so there are many programs we, we try to do called a penile
01:24:25.080
rehabilitation program, put patients on daily Cialis. We have them on injections. We have them on vacuum.
01:24:30.220
We may use testosterone early in certain patients to help regain their sexual function. So
01:24:34.840
the comment we use earlier about use it or lose it. You want to make sure that you're using the
01:24:39.960
tissue and exercising it because over the course of that year, those nerves undergo something called
01:24:46.340
neuropraxia. They get paralyzed, but as they start recovering, then you're going to want to make sure
01:24:51.440
the tissue is healthy so that everything can come together and you can start engaging in sexual
01:24:56.120
activity and having erections. So we do think that it's important. I do for penile rehabilitation after
01:25:01.240
this type of surgery. And also, I just want to be fair, the surgeon skill makes a big difference.
01:25:06.620
Those surgeons that are very good and have done a lot of these cases tend to have very good outcomes
01:25:11.620
because of the experience in avoiding injuring what we call the cavernosal nerves during the procedure.
01:25:18.300
Just quick note, it was episode 565 where we had our HPV debate 565. So we're talking a little bit
01:25:25.840
about prostate cancer. Can we spend one minute on testicular cancer? I did not realize how important
01:25:31.960
self-exams are for guys on this. As a woman, you hear about the breast self-exams in the shower at
01:25:38.180
least once a month. You're supposed to be feeling for lumps. That's also true for guys in the testicles?
01:25:44.040
18 to 35. Just remember those numbers, Megan. It meant 18 to 35 should be examining the testicles.
01:25:49.700
We say at least once a month because that's the prime years for the testicular cancer. And the best
01:25:54.500
way to think about this is if you make a fist. If you make a fist and you press between the knuckles,
01:25:59.280
that's the consistency of normal testicular tissue, just kind of soft, spongy. And if you move over
01:26:04.460
and feel the knuckle, that's the consistency of what a tumor would feel like. So what you're trying
01:26:09.700
to do is make sure that you're not feeling the knuckle and you're feeling the consistency between
01:26:13.360
the knuckles, the spongy area. So very important for men to do self-testicular exams between those
01:26:19.680
ages. Is it true that pot use makes you more likely to get testicular cancer?
01:26:26.640
I have not seen data to support that. Okay. What are the risk factors for getting that?
01:26:32.100
Well, I mean, the risk factors are an undescended testicle is the biggest risk factor. So some
01:26:37.120
children are born with a testicle that's not descended all the way. That testicle that's not
01:26:41.860
descended all the way has a very high risk of having testes cancer. What's interesting is that when you
01:26:47.680
bring the testicle down, as a child, we bring it down. The reason we bring it down is because we
01:26:52.440
want to be able to examine it so that if it does get cancer, we would know. So leaving it up in the
01:26:57.860
abdomen, you'll never be able to know because you can't examine it. Even if you bring that testicle
01:27:03.040
down and you're able to examine it, you also have a higher risk of having testicular cancer
01:27:07.520
in the other testicle. So you really want to examine both testicles. But again, those testicles
01:27:13.840
that we bring down have a higher risk. Okay. Well, that's good to know, but it's,
01:27:18.120
it's very treatable, right? Testicular cancer, like all the more reason to get ahead of it.
01:27:22.400
Very treatable, but, but this is one where you, you catch it earlier. I have a much better outcome,
01:27:27.440
right? So that's really important. It's sometimes men will say, I felt something,
01:27:32.040
just ignored it. I felt it. It got a little bit bigger. I thought it'd go away because with a
01:27:36.040
problem with testicular cancer, it's not painful. So there's no pain. It's just a mass. And so as the
01:27:41.380
mass gets bigger, you're thinking, ah, I think if it was very painful, most men would try to go in
01:27:45.580
and get some kind of treatment, but there's no pain. It gets larger. And the problem is
01:27:49.480
this can metastasize very quickly into the abdomen. And so, and it requires sometimes
01:27:55.140
chemotherapy or radiation. And so the take-home message is if you feel a mass in the testicle,
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please go to your urologist and get it checked out. While we're on the subject of 18 to 35 year olds,
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for those of us who have, um, you know, young teenagers, like I have a 13 year old boy,
01:28:11.440
I have a 10 year old boy. Um, is there anything we need to be thinking about for them as they sort
01:28:15.980
of mature into young adulthood? You know, to me, it's crazy because they say like at the average,
01:28:20.500
like 50% of all 12 year olds have seen porn already. Um, this is crazy. I realized that like
01:28:26.200
they're capable soon of actually having sex, but like, and they're biologically wired to be able to
01:28:31.640
do it at a very young age, but they're not mentally ready at all. So what in your business,
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you know, what should we as parents be thinking about? Yeah. You know, I don't see a lot of kids.
01:28:40.220
Obviously I'm more on the adult side, but you're right. I have teenage, I'm a teenage boy. And so
01:28:44.620
the issues are relatively the same. The problem is the access to pornography is rampant. You know,
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many of them have their own iPhones and they can see, uh, different things whenever they want.
01:28:53.580
The thing I worry about at that age is that many of them do take testosterone in high school.
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They take testosterone in high school because they want to improve their athletic performance.
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And that's where they get in trouble because they don't have the maturity to understand to
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know that by taking this enhancement drug, they can become infertile. So that's what I worry about
01:29:13.940
in my business. No, that's very smart. Oh gosh. I dated a guy a long, long time ago as a bodybuilder
01:29:19.220
and he was taking steroids and I'd never even heard of steroids. I didn't, I mean, there's a short
01:29:22.740
little like couple of week romance. And I remember running around being like, Hey, he's on steroids.
01:29:26.760
He might know. And he was like, don't stop telling people that. But we, we were young and I'm sure
01:29:31.060
he had no idea that it, those also carry these kinds of risks. Okay. Let's get to, um, Corey in
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British Columbia. Who's got a question for you, doc. Hi, Corey. What's your question?
01:29:40.900
Hi. Um, I was on an SRS or I need press and I'm experiencing genital numbness even after I stopped
01:29:49.120
using it. Um, I've been off medication well over a year and I'm still experiencing it. What,
01:29:55.420
what's the issue here? Yeah. So this phenomenon, sorry, go ahead. Yeah. No, he said he's genital
01:30:02.920
numbness after a medication. Yes. So there are two phenomenons. One is SSRI, uh, where patients
01:30:10.420
take an antidepressant and even after they stop the antidepressant, they can have persistent sexual
01:30:15.520
side effects. The second one is with a medication called finasteride, which has been documented where
01:30:20.580
they take finasteride typically for hair loss. And after they take the medication, after they stop it,
01:30:25.520
they have persistent sexual side effects. It doesn't happen in all men, but it does happen in some men.
01:30:30.340
And I think that it's real. Uh, the problem is, is that trying to find, um, the, the etiology,
01:30:36.980
why does it occur? We don't know. And what's the best treatment for it? We still don't know.
01:30:40.700
Many times when patients come to see me for, for example, post finasteride syndrome or post SSRI
01:30:45.700
syndrome, we try to work around it. We try to use medications such as daily Cialis to increase the
01:30:50.880
blood flow into the penis to help with blood flow, to help with nerve regeneration and growth. We try
01:30:55.040
to use testosterone as well, but it's a very delicate situation because, um, I don't have a cure nor do I
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know the etiology for why it occurs. Hmm. That's the Cialis sounds like a great drug from what you're
01:31:07.520
saying. Let's go to Kaya in Nevada, who has a question about her husband. Hi Kaya. What's your
01:31:12.920
question? Hi Kaya. Uh, hi Megan. This is Kaya. Um, I just, my husband has an enlarged testicle
01:31:20.940
that he did have looked at and the doctor said he could aspirate it, but he preferred not to. And
01:31:27.820
that was probably 10 years ago. And it's just getting bigger. So enlarged testicle typically means
01:31:36.560
something called a hydrocele. And let me explain what that is. The testicle has a casing around it.
01:31:42.420
Think of it like it's in a sack. And sometimes when the testicle is injured or there's some trauma,
01:31:48.300
what they'll do is develop fluid between the testicle and the sack. And the sack will get
01:31:52.880
larger and larger and larger. And that's fluid around the testicle. So it's not necessarily that
01:31:57.840
the testicle is larger, but there's a significant amount of fluid around that testicle. So you can
01:32:02.940
aspirate it and put a needle in and remove the fluid, but it has a very high recurrence rate up
01:32:09.360
to 90% will those patients recur and you'll keep aspirating for life. So one of the best ways to
01:32:15.920
treat it is to go in and remove the fluid. This is surgical. And then I remove the sack. And once
01:32:22.000
you remove the sack and the fluid, the problem is typically solved. Now, I don't know much about
01:32:26.940
your husband's condition, but you just do want to make sure that you're not missing anything else,
01:32:30.100
like a testis tumor or something else. But it sounds like to me that this is a hydrocele.
01:32:36.400
Hmm. Ron in Georgia has a question about pot. Hi, Ron. What's your question?
01:32:42.280
I'm just curious about the effects of cannabis on testosterone levels.
01:32:47.820
Yeah. So we do know that excessive use of cannabis can significantly reduce testosterone levels and
01:32:53.960
cause erectile dysfunction. I've never seen a study talking about the quantity, like, hey, if it's one
01:32:59.320
joint a day, two joints a day, I've not seen that. But we know that patients who do have excessive
01:33:03.920
cannabis use will see a decline, not only in testosterone levels, but also sperm production
01:33:09.880
as well. Hmm. Okay. And last but not least, I'm just going to repeat, John in New Hampshire has got
01:33:15.520
a question about motivating sexual desire. I'll just paraphrase it. I think we covered that,
01:33:20.780
but just sum it up in the time we have left for the guys who worry about that.
01:33:26.380
Yeah. So remember, sexual desire is multifactorial. It's not just about a pill. It's about your
01:33:30.820
relationship. It's diet, exercise, sleep, stress reduction. It's about some meds that you're on that
01:33:35.860
could cause an impairment in sexual desire. Just don't think if I take testosterone, the world is
01:33:40.400
going to be great. It's multifactorial. Hmm. Doc, this has been so interesting. Gosh,
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thank you so much for sharing your expertise. We could have gone for another hour, I'm sure,
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because so much to cover. Really appreciate you sharing all your knowledge with us.
01:33:54.620
My pleasure. Thank you so much for the invitation.
01:33:57.000
You bet, Dr. Mohit Cara. And don't forget, next week, we will be doing our women's sexual health
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show. And you can email in now if you have questions or thoughts on today's show or questions
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in advance of that show, Megan, M-E-G-Y-N at MeganKelley.com. Okay, looking forward to that as well.
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