00:13:42.280yeah she's one of the new york dsa candidates endorsed by mom donnie uh who won so i mean he's
00:13:50.580not wrong emily that there is a true radicalism happening now within a strain of the of the
00:13:55.820democrat party and they are going to have to deal with this for all these primaries and come the
00:14:01.520midterms and going forward what what is he what strain of the republican party went completely
00:14:07.140bonkers that and no one stood up. Like I don't the Republican Party has been divided for a long,
00:14:12.400long time. Just pick the issue on which they've divided themselves. The latest happens to be
00:14:17.060around Israel or just war hawkishness. But I'm not sure exactly what he's referring to there.
00:14:21.920But his problem does have his party does have a serious problem right now. He's not wrong.
00:14:25.540Democrats structurally, I think, have had more control over their grassroots. I think that's
00:14:29.980how they were able to, like, squelch Bernie's run in 2016 and 2020. But they didn't squelch
00:14:35.300the momentum. And so in some ways, I wonder if they're just a bit behind what Trump was able to
00:14:40.120pull off in 2016 when the old guard of the Republican Party tried every avenue to shut
00:14:45.100him down. But because he's Donald Trump, he's a singular political figure, they just could not
00:14:48.740pull it off. And I don't know what happens to the Republican Party after Donald Trump, but
00:14:52.900I think I know what happens to the future of populism in the next 10, 20 years, which is that
00:14:58.080it's actually not going anywhere. It's rising on the left. It's here to stay on the right. And
00:15:04.280what that means is these policy conversations are, in a lot of the primary battles, secondary
00:15:09.720issues. Ryan Grimm and I interviewed a DSA-aligned candidate up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan
00:15:15.800yesterday who said there's one thing worse than being called a socialist in the UP, and it's being
00:15:20.860called a Democrat, because trust in Democrats among Democratic voters, trust in the party,
00:15:25.840is really, really low right now. And so that's where they get into this trouble with the policy
00:15:31.160questions like Abdul al-Sayed coming out and saying he never supported defunding the police
00:15:36.260when he clearly said that he supported defunding the police. That's been a problem for him,
00:15:40.820but it doesn't seem to be affecting his primary chances right now because so many Democratic
00:15:47.300voters just want the middle finger to the establishment and then they'll sort out the
00:15:51.380policy questions later. We saw a similar thing with Trump voters. That's not to say Trump voters
00:15:56.180were not casting ballots on policy. It is to say for some people, what was more important than
00:16:01.500policy was the middle finger to the Republican Party and to the political establishment. And so
00:16:06.460that's their problem right now is that the people who are giving the middle finger to the
00:16:10.180establishment come from a politically very difficult ideological agenda to pull off then
00:16:17.360when you get into general election battles, because also a lot of it was forged in the
00:16:22.040like woke cauldron of 2020. We saw Brandon Gill questioning the head of the National American
00:16:26.900History Museum on the white supremacy toolkit they put out. I mean, it was just so clear. It's
00:16:32.540so clarifying for him to be like, do you, are you polite? Do you believe that politeness is
00:16:37.100white supremacy? Do you then believe you're a white supremacist? And now they're facing these
00:16:40.820questions. Mom, Donnie pulled it off because he was facing a terrible candidate. But when you're
00:16:45.500juxtaposed with a better candidate, maybe it's Mike Rogers in Michigan versus Abdul El-Sayed,
00:16:49.620that's really difficult. I completely agree. And we're going to play some Brandon Gill in a minute,
00:16:55.340but the Democrats are having an interesting fracturing and they're, they're doing it at
00:17:00.400their own peril because you're right. The populism that we've seen arise on the right in the form of
00:17:05.660Trump. Now, you know, you could have a debate about whether he's delivered on that populist
00:17:10.500message that he ran on. But in any event, it's, it's happening on the left, like just dissatisfaction
00:17:16.700with the established party and the leaders like they are not pro Chuck Schumer at all over in the
00:17:23.300Democrat Party right now or their old party leaders. So you would think this would be a
00:17:27.160great time for something else to rise like a phoenix from those ashes. But what's rising
00:17:31.300is something truly fucking crazy. Like I'm all for populism, Emily. Like, OK, great. You want0.98
00:17:37.180to be whatever. You don't want the APAC influence in the Democrat Party. I get it. And you don't
00:17:42.700want like all these elites judging or determining where we're going. And you want more populist
00:17:47.780economic policy, their Medicare for all stuff. OK, I get it. I get it. But this is crazy stuff.
00:17:53.680No more prisons, no more borders, no more Senate, no more Supreme Court. Like, come on,
00:17:59.580just stop it. It's like they're they're making fools of themselves by embracing a party that0.98
00:18:05.680literally stands for that. It's in writing. Like, why? How did they go from let's be populist and0.96
00:18:11.840form a new type of party or an offshoot of the Democrats to, we're loons now. We're fucking1.00
00:18:17.540lunatics who only one teeny tiny faction of the population is likely to vote for.1.00
00:18:22.380Right. Yeah. And a lot of it is that you have the postmodern leftism that grew out of the academy
00:18:28.880really during the 20th century has taken root. That's directly what we saw. And the public
00:18:34.880rejected it after 2020. I know other things that we're talking about today include Sophie Cunningham
00:18:39.140coming out against men and women's sports. Well, it was really hard to stake out a position against1.00
00:18:43.800that, as you did, Megan, when the kind of elite gatekeepers were shoving that down everybody's
00:18:51.060throat. I mean, the Associated Press, I think it was in like 2017, when nobody even knew what a
00:18:55.600preferred pronoun was, changed copy in papers across the country. Well, why is that? Because
00:19:00.660the same people who are now aligned with the DSA-style candidates on cultural progressivism,
00:19:05.660not just economic progressivism, but cultural progressivism, which does have its roots in
00:19:10.800the Frankfurt School and these deep ideological intellectual trends, fundamentally took over
00:19:17.880those circles. Charles Murray wrote a great book in 2012 about how we are coming apart. That was
00:19:21.980the name of the book because concentration of extreme wealth in super zips was having these0.93
00:19:28.980massive cultural implications because people thought the same way and they dined the same
00:19:33.980way. They watched the same things. They had all of these cultural preferences that were more in
00:19:37.700sync with their bubbles and less in sync with class bubbles, whether it was in inner cities
00:19:42.440or whether it was in rural areas. And that's kind of what Van Jones is getting at there. You can be
00:19:46.860for prison abolition, but take that to the inner city and see how the conversation about defund
00:19:52.760the police goes when you're talking to voters who are actually in financially vulnerable positions
00:20:00.140in the inner city or in rural areas like it's a class bubble fundamentally and they haven't
00:20:04.900figured out a way to break free from that on the cultural issues if i were um a mainstream
00:20:12.380republican i'd be feeling good about this development for the following reason i think
00:20:17.180going into the next presidential election we're going to have a group like a candidate maybe even
00:20:24.140a whole party that sees itself as the antidote to the current Republican Party and its coziness
00:20:32.540with AIPAC and so on, like on the on the hawkish war issues, because Republicans are traditionally
00:20:38.020very hawkish. They are like that's they're very pro national defense and a strong Pentagon. And
00:20:43.360that's just kind of their thing. But the American appetite for knee jerk war is waning. I mean,
00:20:50.140if it's not waned entirely in the wake of, you know, Afghanistan and Iraq. And so I think you're0.78
00:20:56.080going to have a candidate rise up if it's not. It might be J.D. who's a little bit more of that
00:21:00.120wing, but I don't think so. I think he's probably not going to be that explicit because he wants to
00:21:05.560keep the Trump base. You know, he wants to keep sort of the core MAGA, which is as a result of
00:21:09.680Trump more hawkish. So anyway, I think there's a lane for a Joe Kent, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson
00:21:16.320type right there on as a Republican. And that candidate could potentially be very devastating
00:21:24.120if they had support, crossover support from the left, you know, like Glenn Greenwald, you know,
00:21:32.120would vote for such a candidate, I think way before he'd vote for another Chuck Schumer type
00:21:35.760person. So but if if the Democrat Party is going to instead of splinter into something that's
00:21:42.860more reasonable, if if slightly more socialist slash populist, it's going to go truly crazy,
00:21:50.180then that Phoenix type candidate over here in the Republican lane is not going anywhere because
00:21:57.500the party's not probably not going to nominate them. And then even if they did, they wouldn't
00:22:01.340have enough support on the other side. So I just I think everybody's watching what's happening with
00:22:06.000the splintering of the Democratic Party and how I think personally for the country, for the Dems,
00:22:09.960for everybody, it's landing in a very unfortunate place where they they didn't have to go this
00:22:14.200crazy. Emily, they just they could have stayed just slightly crazy. And maybe they're going to
00:22:20.140win in New York City. I get it. They might win. I don't think they're going to win in Michigan,
00:22:23.520but I could be wrong. I mean, the general they're not going to win on a nationwide scale because
00:22:28.700they're too out there. Well, they desperately need to break out of that class bubble on things
00:22:32.640like immigration and women's sports like women's sports is such a litmus test as to whether or not0.99
00:22:37.660you're lying or you're crazy. Or just, I mean, I shouldn't say crazy, but I should say like whether
00:22:43.080or not you're radical, like truly ideologically radical. And if you can't pass that litmus test
00:22:47.960for a lot of voters, the same thing goes for open borders. That is, and defund the police,
00:22:52.000like those are big litmus tests on a class basis. And they're ones that we've seen, for example,
00:22:55.780Seth Moulton after the 2024 election come out and say, we went too far. Gavin Newsom flirted
00:23:00.300with the idea of us having gone too far. And they took it back. They walked it back on women's
00:23:04.900sports very quickly after that happened, because they were rejected by staff in the party. They
00:23:10.860were rejected by kind of the pundit class in the party. And so they've kind of tried to break out
00:23:16.240on some of those things, but they haven't been able to. I think the dynamic you just laid out
00:23:19.440is interesting from the conservative perspective. It's what Republicans here in Washington don't
00:23:24.960yet understand. I think the Nikki Haley types are the ones licking their chops about the DSA,
00:23:30.380thinking it's what's going to usher them back into the conservative mainstream and back into1.00
00:23:35.680power in the Republican Party. But this is a really crucial mistake that Republicans can make.
00:23:40.220If you just call somebody a socialist, if you just call somebody a radical, that's not going
00:23:47.240to land with the average voter right now in the way that it would before institutional trust
00:23:51.740collapsed, unless you couple it with what you're going to do to smash the status quo. Because the
00:23:56.460one thing everybody's unhappy with is the status quo. So if you just say this person is going to
00:24:00.760change the status quo, they're a radical. People are going to say, OK, well, maybe I'd rather take
00:24:05.360a bet on them than you. And that's what people don't understand. That guy, Troy Jackson,
00:24:10.220who's now going to be the Democratic nominee in Maine, is like, hey, I was endorsed by the DSA.
00:24:14.420I mean, he's he's touting it like he knows that he doesn't call himself DSA, but he's he's touting
00:24:19.740it. I was saying to Paul Murray of Sky News Australia that that's that is that's the kind
00:24:24.080of claim that's like you take the DSA to the dark bar at like 3 a.m. and then you go right to the
00:24:31.000motel. You don't like parade the DSA around on your arm at the Oscars party like that is the
00:24:36.180and you're only going to need the motel for an hour. You know, it's like I don't know what
00:24:39.060this. We're in a whole new world where you're touting that like openly as an endorsement of
00:24:45.140you that you're proud of in the Democrat or any other party. But that's that's where we are.
00:24:49.840Okay, let's talk about Brandon Gelb since he is like MVP of the entire House. They had this, they had a couple hearings yesterday. One had, well, a couple witnesses there. One was the head of the Smithsonian and one was the head of the ABA. And he just did such a beautiful job on both of them.
00:25:06.360Let's play a little montage of what happened when the head of the Smithsonian, which has
00:33:54.860Have you reflected on your implicit biases?
00:33:57.760I think about how I operate in the world constantly.
00:34:01.400Would you like to explain to us what they are?
00:34:03.960I am here speaking on behalf of the ABA.
00:34:07.280It's I find that disgusting. OK, we we had this in our New York City private schools right after George Floyd a palooza when the country lost its mind on race.
00:34:18.760And the head of our our girls school sent out this email to everybody saying this school is racist.
00:34:26.960I'm racist and we're going to have to revise our systems to address these implicit biases and so on.
00:34:33.260And truly, I just want to respond with what did you do? What did you do?
00:34:37.280but tell me what's in your heart you're racist why explain exactly what's in your heart that's
00:34:43.140quite an admission tell me all like if you actually want to atone for your racism let me
00:34:49.780hear it go on you instead what they want is this like fig leaf of i've acknowledged there's implicit
00:34:58.880bias so i'm i'm absolved now you do it because it's really you it's you white conservative who
00:35:06.440truly I'm speaking to, and not me or anybody on the left, and certainly not a black woman of color,0.96
00:35:12.520which Banky is. And the explicit construction of their ideology is that you cannot be reverse
00:35:20.400racist because you have to be part of the oppressing class, not the oppressor, to have
00:35:26.700these problems. And that's blood guilt, basically, by the way. But this is the argument that it's
00:35:32.200it's structural racism that is baked in. And so, it doesn't go the other way around. It can only
00:35:36.780go one way from the oppressor to the oppressed. Like, that is explicit in these arguments when
00:35:42.980you read the actual text and dive down into them. And that's why she has trouble answering that
00:35:47.620question, which is particularly disgusting and cynical because actually there's all kinds of
00:35:52.260social science research. We're talking about, like, mainstream social science journals. You can find
00:35:56.900some of this research on MIT's website. We were reading it on the wrap-up show yesterday that
00:36:00.380shows Americans have become closer and closer to race neutrality. We're never going to get rid of
00:36:06.480racism in the United States. But when you measure, by her own term, implicit biases
00:36:11.780through social science, Americans over the same time period where we've had all of these big
00:36:16.820conflagrations over Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, have actually become
00:36:21.320significantly less racist, which, by the way, is a remarkable world historic achievement that
00:36:25.420in the United States, we have so many people from so many different backgrounds living so
00:36:29.600closely together. And we have been able to stamp out bigotry to the level that we have. But because
00:36:36.140of this foolishness, we end up in these like divisive media cycles. And they can't even answer
00:36:41.520clear questions about it in the light of day because their ideology falls apart, is ridiculous,0.99
00:36:46.340and it's embarrassing. Well, the studies also show that the more you study your implicit biases,
00:36:53.860the more racist you become that all the studies show that that asking somebody to examine that
00:37:01.000ruminate on it ponder what what implicit biases do i have actually calls racism to the surface
00:37:08.760it doesn't get rid of it it kind of creates it like geez are there differences between the races
00:37:14.840what are they what have i seen about black people in the news lately what comes to mind after this
00:37:20.700hour that you spend doing this kind of thing, you do not walk away less racist. You walk away more.
00:37:26.660The normal person does not sit around thinking about racial differences or applying a racial
00:37:32.040lens to every news item they hear, et cetera. They just they base their opinions based on their own
00:37:37.320interactions with people and to make them sit down and like categorize people and ask, what does this
00:37:44.180group do and what is this group like is not helpful. It's not helpful to race relations.
00:37:48.420And study after study has shown that a little bit more from Brandon Gill here trying to ask about diversity and whether it should supply apply on the U.S. Supreme Court beyond the black women or the black justices who are on there.
00:38:07.720Right now, there's about about two of two of nine of Supreme Court justices are black.
00:38:13.460That's about 22% of the Supreme Court.
00:38:16.660According to your testimony, about 13% of America's population is black.0.93
00:38:21.500If the Supreme Court should roughly resemble America's demographic makeup, as the ABA states, is proper.
00:38:29.500In your opinion, regardless of qualifications, should the Senate refuse to confirm a third black Supreme Court justice?
00:38:36.800The ABA supports and encourages diversity in all of its forms.
00:38:42.240That wasn't my question. My question was, if a Supreme Court vacancy opens up, should the Senate refuse to confirm a third black Supreme Court nominee based on his race or her race?
00:46:35.460Our reading scores and math scores are in the tank.
00:46:38.60050% of our kids cannot read or do math at grade level.
00:46:42.400And we're going to talk about bathroom access.
00:46:44.980So my view is if you want to win elections and you also want to help kids get prepared for the future, focus on the bottom line of what schools.
00:46:52.280I understand that, Brown, but all I would say that there were times, earlier times, with other groups that didn't have their rights, and they were told to be patient, too, and the focus on their rights was distracting.
00:47:05.820That's what Letter from Birmingham Jail is all about, patience versus urgency.
00:47:12.260Well, as a country, we proved we couldn't do it, because you haven't told me and asked me a single question how to get 50% of our kids.
00:47:36.040It's not just a tagline. I passed a bill in 2016, 10 years beforehand.
00:47:42.560I made sure that kids had access to a bathroom.
00:47:44.900I just didn't let it distract from reading math or graduation rates.
00:47:49.640Just to add one thing to that. So David, Dave Weigel, who's a leftist journalist, writes unenlightening exchange. Emmanuel is very comfortable talking about the focus, but not the policy. When I asked if the next president should undo Trump's executive order on gender, he pivoted and said he'd be focused on corruption.
00:48:08.320So when in front of his fellow leftists, he's not disavowing. He's getting out of bounds. He's kind of doing what Abigail Spanberger did in Virginia before she was elected governor, where she just kind of keeps saying, like, that's such a small issue. Let's talk about things that matter, which, you know, gave some people hope that she'd be reasonable on it.
00:48:28.940she has him. She's not. I don't I think Rahm Emanuel is secretly or explicitly on our side
00:48:34.420on this. And this is a tactic to get away from these leftists trying to pin him down
00:48:37.800with more specificity on exactly what he do, like on the Trump executive order.
00:48:43.340But I do think it's interesting that even in front of a leftist, he didn't disavow.
00:48:48.460Right. And David Remnick is doing what the head of the ABA didn't have the courage to do,
00:48:52.920which is explicitly compare the trans identifying population in the United States to people
00:48:58.540suffering under Jim Crow. That is beyond offensive. Rahm Emanuel should have called
00:49:03.540him out on the spot, but he's clearly testing out this new line, which is that it's about
00:49:08.160getting test scores up. It's not about bathrooms. Weigel's question is a good one. It reminds me of
00:49:12.580asking Democrats exactly what they would reverse of the Trump immigration policy, because what
00:49:17.380they're trying to do, and it works sometimes, if you have an opponent that's not up to the task,
00:49:21.840like Abigail Spanberger had, and you have low popularity for a Republican president,
00:49:25.700then yes, you can sometimes win lesser than two evil elections. If that's what the independent
00:49:31.360kind of swing voters are going off of, we just are going to vote for the person that's the lesser
00:49:34.780of two evils, you can sometimes win with it. But if that's the direction that Democrats cannot
00:49:41.080get away from, in the long term, it is going to be a huge, huge problem for them. And the problem
00:49:47.660then for Republicans is whether they can put themselves in a position to capitalize on it.
00:49:52.060But that is what David Remnick is doing is what the head of the ABA and the Smithsonian American History Museum should have done if they were if they had any honesty in them, which is say, yes, we believe this is the exact same thing as apartheid Jim Crow.
00:50:06.200Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, a letter from a Birmingham jail was an MLK letter from 1963 where he was saying injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere and it's time to stand up for civil rights and so on.
00:50:18.360that that was with respect to race, which is an immutable characteristic and thus gets special
00:50:27.280protection in the law, as does gender. Another thing we cannot change, which the law recognizes
00:50:33.040aging when you become older. Another thing we cannot change. These things get special
00:50:38.460protections in the law if you get discriminated on the basis of them, since they are immutable
00:50:42.380characteristics. If you have a mutable characteristic, which leads to somebody
00:50:47.860treating you differently, it gets a totally different level of scrutiny by any court.0.96
00:50:53.200And the court just found that the transgender thing is a mutable characteristic. It's not0.53
00:50:59.340immutable. You're not born like that. It's a social contagion. For some, it's a sexual fetish.
00:51:05.160So we're not going to treat it like that. And how dare David Remnick compare the fight for civil
00:51:11.200rights by these trans people, most of whom are enacting a sexual fetish on us, to the actual1.00
00:51:18.100struggle of blacks in America under Jim Crow. It really was an outrageous comparison. Rom1.00
00:51:23.540missed a chance to stake out the moral high ground against somebody who was trying to stake it out
00:51:29.160against him. And it's just an absurd thing to bring up in this context. So, OK, we have much
00:51:34.680more to discuss with Emily. We got to get to Sophie Cunningham, who's emerging as a hero in
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00:53:18.260Emily in the YouTube search box and it will come right up and subscribe. Okay, there's drama,
00:53:24.040you'll be shocked to learn, in the WNBA today on multiple fronts. I mean, these women, they cannot1.00
00:53:31.280keep their shit together. It's actually quite amazing to watch. There's a new controversy1.00
00:53:35.780involving race or sexuality or the trans thing pretty much every other week. Now, this is kind0.99
00:53:43.140of a good one, the one we're starting with first. This Sophie Cunningham has spoken out against men0.98
00:53:49.300playing in women's sports. And I have to say, first of all, obviously good for her,1.00
00:53:54.340but this is on the heels of somebody I don't like at all politically, but I have nothing against0.96
00:53:59.360personally, Martina Navarrola, helping lead the way in women's tennis to keep men out of women's0.96
00:54:06.680tennis. I completely applaud her on this. She got out there and made comments a couple years ago
00:54:12.480against men in women's tennis, and she got her hand slapped and she kind of took it back initially.
00:54:18.340And then she came around on this issue. She I think she realized, why am I letting people slap my hand on this? I'm a world champion, you know, 10, 15 times over. I have a right to my opinion. And this is what I think. And she's been very fearless on it ever since. So while we've sparred politically many times, she and I, I completely applaud her on this unreservedly.
00:54:38.380and she has led to the rule being changed in women's tennis that will not allow men to play
00:54:43.980against women. So hurrah, good for her. Perhaps inspired by that, I can't prove it, but perhaps
00:54:50.400Sophie Cunningham, who is one of the stars in women's basketball, best known recently for
00:54:57.220the pointing meme, which went everywhere. It was so good. She's decided, I think she's feeling,
00:55:04.480you know sowing her oats whatever she's she's always pretty fearless she's pretty bold um but
00:55:10.060she has decided to speak out against men in women's basketball saying i don't think it's right or men
00:55:16.740in women's sports and um given the chance to take it back here's what she said uh just yesterday
00:55:23.980sat one on that same vein in that story with espn you talked about wanting to protect young girls
00:55:28.980who shouldn't have to go against biological men just can you expand your viewpoint on that i mean
00:55:33.360I think I said what I said. I think it's kind of common sense. Um, and I think I'll always
00:55:38.540believe in that. I think it's really important to protect children. Um, and that's, uh, little
00:55:42.740girls, uh, who are also involved in that category. And so, um, I, I stand on what I said and,
00:55:48.480um, I always believe that. Yeah. Do you see your advocacy on that? Like taking any form
00:55:52.840going forward? You know, I, I don't know. I didn't, I'm not a very political person,
00:55:56.740but I do have beliefs. I have morals and I'll always stand on those and be true to true to
00:56:00.760who I am. And I think people are going to take it how they want to take it, but I've never even
00:56:06.380really said anything about that. And so when it comes just to protecting young girls in sport
00:56:10.840and women in sport, I feel very strongly about that. I think that's why you have Title IX. That's
00:56:16.380why you have some of the greats in women's sports. If Title IX and women's sports weren't protected,1.00
00:56:21.960then you wouldn't hear about any type of women in sport. And so I think in the future, it's just0.97
00:56:26.020really important to protect. I actually think this is a huge moment. Like, good for her. She's
00:56:33.420not Martina. She's in the game right now. She's not retired. She doesn't have all the money and
00:56:39.560accolades and sort of lifetime revered status in her sport that Martina Navarrola has in tennis.
00:56:45.400And so it's riskier for her. And she's the only one doing it. I mean, truly, no one else is doing
00:56:52.400it. I can't think of another person who's doing it. It's certainly not in the WNBA, but really in
00:56:57.540women's like professional sports right now, who is speaking out on behalf of the little girls
00:57:02.400who are getting hurt by boys playing in their sports. The biggest name that comes to mind is0.99
00:57:07.480Megan Rapinoe, who's on the other side and just doubled down on her nonsense and inanity this1.00
00:57:12.820week on The View on Tuesday. That's like women are not the women speaking out on this are women1.00
00:57:40.100And then standing by it when asked after,
00:57:43.560of course, she must've been deluged with accusations.
00:57:47.080She was transphobe between then and now.
00:57:49.840And she stood by it and sort of said, I'm not political. This just makes common sense, which is just so great to hear, Emily. It's like, of course, you hear it said and you're like, of course.
00:58:00.280That distinction, I think, is actually really critical with her saying she's not political.
00:58:04.080It's just something that she believes is a value for standing, a value about standing up for women, because it inverts what the cultural left likes to say about this issue, as we were talking about earlier, as a civil rights question, right?
00:58:16.080They say standing up for people who identify as trans is the new civil rights issue of our time.
00:58:21.460But as you were describing, this is a, your sex is an immutable characteristic, like a race.0.51
00:58:26.700And that is exactly why the early, or I should say the second wave feminist movement fought for, as a civil right, things like Title IX, which said, on the basis of sex.0.62
00:58:39.760The Obama administration then read gender identity into that, which totally diluted the civil rights protection of basis of sex.
00:58:48.200Those words were totally diluted by the cultural left.
00:58:51.360And so when they say that they're not doing anything political, they're just standing up for human rights or civil rights in defense of men playing in women's sports, it's actually the people like Sophie Cunningham, who they try to smear as MAGA bigots, who are the ones standing up for the explicit civil rights that second wave feminists fought for, civil rights protections, including Title IX, including same-sex spaces.
00:59:14.620And I mean, I was just talking to Jen Say of XXXY Athletics a couple weeks ago, and I hadn't realized until I was talking to her that not one major current female athlete playing right now had done what Sophie Cunningham just did in the last couple of days.
00:59:32.360It's so out of whack with public opinion, and it speaks to the pressure.0.59
00:59:35.540We've had some great, great women speak out in women's cycling, women's weightlifting at the high school level.0.72
00:59:43.820We've seen it in track and field. But in terms of like names in professional women's sports.1.00
00:59:53.080No one's coming to mind. I forgive me if there's somebody out there I'm missing right now, but we've been begging.
00:59:59.220I mean, I've been it. I was recently at a Jennifer Say event with Chloe Cole and many others on this issue, but like begging somebody to speak out like we were saying at that event, maybe Serena and Venus will because they've got that same exalted status in tennis.
01:00:13.820um no it took martina to do it but like who who will do it for their sport and this this gal
01:00:20.440she's right at the apex of her sport right now she does have a lot to lose and she's pretty
01:00:25.280damn fearless this sophie cunningham it's actually kind of interesting because to me it's on brand
01:00:29.660for her not that i follow the wnba but um i i do know that she prizes herself on looking out0.98
01:00:35.940for others and that includes caitlin clark who she's gotten very ticked off watching caitlin
01:00:43.080clark get fouled over and over and over again and the refs never call it and she's spoken to that
01:00:49.240here uh here she is this is from june 26th so a month ago sat three during real time last night
01:00:57.700i did not see that happen and like i i don't none of our teams saw it happen because i promise you0.96
01:01:04.220that if we would have seen that happen we would have had her back unfortunately this type of shit0.68
01:01:09.900happens every single game to her and the league and the refs do absolutely nothing about it it's
01:01:15.480been a minute since you got fined on this podcast i have but then like you see the videos of like
01:01:21.280literally kneeing and and cheap shotting c in the throat like if she did that to any of our
01:01:28.020teammates we'd be pissed but like they are they're definitely targeting her and the league and the
01:01:33.380do nothing to protect her. This is amazing. Like, good for her. People within the WNBA,
01:01:40.240you're not allowed to say that, Emily. If you stick up for Caitlin Clark, they'll call you a
01:01:43.800white supremacist. But this girl with the finger and the pointing does not give an F what these1.00
01:01:50.520people are saying about her. Or if she does, she overcomes it with courage. And I admire her.
01:01:54.600Yeah, they get they call her MAGA Barbie. Like she just obviously as a pejorado,0.97
01:01:58.400She just gets completely smeared when the entire country can step back and watch what happens to0.98
01:02:04.340Caitlin Clark. It's legitimately dangerous. There's no question that it's legitimately
01:02:08.240dangerous. It also obviously puts the referees in a tough position where they are now litigating
01:02:13.520race relations with their calls on the court. That doesn't make anybody, anybody safer. It's
01:02:19.520really sad to see. And I mean, Sophie Cunningham is actually totally unafraid to come out. You can0.93
01:02:27.120tell. She's saying there, I don't care if I get fined, basically. She's like, it's genuinely
01:02:32.060dangerous. And the WNBA fandom, honestly, is small, and it's ideologically captured. Not
01:02:38.380everybody who watches WNBA is far left, but that's the case with the WNBA audience generally. And it
01:02:44.280has really created a dangerous situation where they can't celebrate one of the best people to
01:02:48.840ever play the game, Caitlin Clark, who's bringing new people into the sport, who is exciting
01:02:53.760audiences and who's just putting on great games because they're obsessed with this idea that
01:02:59.120there's some deep-seated racial discrepancy with the way she's treated versus the way other players
01:03:04.020are treated. Here's one of the reasons why it's so important. In basketball in particular,1.00
01:03:09.860girls basketball, we have seen males play. And think of that. I mean, it's not like track and
01:03:15.780field where it's galling and it's unfair, but it's not unsafe to have somebody do the long jump next
01:03:22.360to you who's a boy. But in basketball, like volleyball, it's unsafe, like boxing, by the way.
01:03:29.960And even at the Olympic level, we saw those women try to do the XX and then immediately reverse0.99
01:03:34.440themselves because they got the pile on. Not the people saying, shame, shame, you're a bigot. And1.00
01:03:38.480they folded. But Sophie Cunningham does not seem like the type to fold. And so far, she's not1.00
01:03:42.740folding. But we pulled the video of some of these high school matches, games, in which girls got
01:03:48.960brutalized by this six foot tall guy posing as a woman it's happened over and over and it's
01:03:55.060incredibly aggravating because look at this he whips her she falls to the ground this one game
01:04:01.900that i think they had five female players get hurt um and they had to stop the game so this
01:04:08.140has happened look at this girl she needed sophie cunningham she needed sophie cunningham no no one0.91
01:04:14.900would stand up for her. Look, it's obvious which one is the man walking around towering over these
01:04:20.720women and hurting them. It's just incredibly frustrating and infuriating. And it was about
01:04:28.160time we had Sophie Cunningham come along and lead the way. The question now, will anyone else
01:04:34.620follow? I'll get to Megan Rapinoe in a minute. She's not. She wants my daughter who plays soccer
01:04:40.400to get hurt by a man and have she has no problem with it none whatsoever but let me stay on the
01:04:45.960WNBA for a second Emily um it's it's very annoying I would never watch the WNBA I just feel like
01:04:52.320they're they're so annoying I don't know how Sophie Cunningham works in this league I don't
01:04:57.220know how Caitlin Clark does either Dave Portnoy is saying that Caitlin Clark should go start her
01:05:01.020own league and she'd make gazillions of dollars and she'd have a lot of people follow probably1.00
01:05:06.000sophie um but there was a controversy on monday today we're we're it's thursday involving a ref
01:05:12.480so there's a ref uh by the name of sandy brondello and she is the coach of the tempo
01:05:21.220the coach did i say i called her a ref no she's a coach she's the coach of the tempo and what
01:05:28.320happened was her team was playing the Atlanta Dream and Angel Reese is on that team. And Angel
01:05:36.040Reese is a black woman in the NBA who's been on the wrong side of Caitlin Clark a few times.1.00
01:05:41.420And she's been very controversial and she's quick to inject race into any controversy1.00
01:05:47.200and seems generally annoying, if I'm honest. But what happened in this particular instance is I'm
01:05:54.200going to show you the play, but Reese, Angel Reese, secured an offensive rebound. She went1.00
01:05:59.800to the basket against someone named Sabali. Reese put her shoulder into Sabali's chest to create
01:06:05.320space, but Sabali was called for the foul and collapsed to the ground in pain. A live Mike
01:06:11.620then heard the coach, Sabali's coach, call Reese, quote, a protected species while addressing the
01:06:19.460officiating crew. It wasn't like she said it under her breath. She said it to the officials who were
01:06:25.300reffing the game after Reese drew the foul. Here it is in Sot 7.
01:06:35.760Sandy Brondello pleads her case. Carl Smesko has walked over closer to the officials.
01:06:41.480now brondello the coach who said this is an aussie and that phrase is apparently very common
01:06:50.120in australia in sports in particular and it means over there that the athlete is getting protected
01:06:57.580or preferential treatment from the refs that's what it means so it was completely apt the way0.98
01:07:03.780she used it it did reflect what she was suggesting was happening but a shit storm0.98
01:07:09.900rain down on her as though this had to be a racist comment. There's zero grace in the WNBA1.00
01:07:16.720for anyone. Any small perceived slight will be blown up into a career endangering1.00
01:07:22.660offense. So this woman, Brondello, ever since has been apologizing. She got suspended for a game.
01:07:30.740She was suspended from the game on Monday. She issued an apology to Reese saying,
01:07:36.800I used a phrase that I shouldn't have. I take full responsibility. I'm deeply sorry. I used it in the emotion of the moment. She didn't even just say like, this is something that's common in Australia. It doesn't mean what you think it like. She just fell on the sword, fell. Now, did Angel Reese, given this opportunity, you know, to to be magnanimous, to, you know, extend some grace to this coach, understanding that this is this is not what it was being painted to be at all.
01:17:45.580Flopping is when you fake that you're injured and you're not, i.e. see World Cup. She criticizes
01:17:53.560the Indiana Fever star for what she calls habitual flopping and dramatic reactions to
01:17:58.660and the exaggeration of non-calls, arguing it endangers her opponents by inciting racist
01:18:06.100harassment from some of Caitlin Clark's fans. You can't make this shit up. Quote,0.99
01:18:11.540the fouls they claim occurred, the contusion she says she suffered, the technicals that aren't
01:18:17.020deserved. Clark doesn't suddenly become invisible when she's involved in a physical play. So we can
01:18:21.740see what actually happened. She brings up some examples and goes through. She says, oh, you know,
01:18:27.880basically she wasn't hurt in this incident, yet she collapsed to the ground as if she'd been hit
01:18:31.460in the stomach with a battering ram, then yelled at the refs demanding a foul. They reviewed it and0.99
01:18:35.300saw what everyone else had. There was no foul, barely any contact. Three days later, against
01:18:39.200the Golden State Valkyries, Clark said she got kneed in the quad by Kia Stokes as Clark dove0.93
01:18:47.220to the basket. Clark was livid when no foul was called, dropping an F-bomb as she yelled at the1.00
01:18:51.260ref. I got kneed in the quad. That hurts, Clark said after the game. The ref can't miss that.
01:18:56.380Then I have to play with a contusion in my leg for the rest of the game. That's ridiculous. You0.94
01:18:59.880can't miss calls like that. Yet once again, according to Armour, replays clearly showed
01:19:04.440if there was contact. It was minimal. She says, let's call it what it is, flopping.
01:19:08.780Clark's hardly the only athlete to do it. Talks about the World Cup. It's been a staple of James
01:19:13.100Harden's career. And she says, I'm not a Clark hater before you accuse me of that. And she's
01:19:20.060done all sorts of good things for the league, but it doesn't entitle to her a pass. Okay,
01:19:23.320here we go. It seems there is a white nationalist element to Clark's fandom that is deeply,
01:19:30.400deeply problematic, made even more so because the WNBA is made up of predominantly black women,0.82
01:19:38.340many of them queer. Here we go. Okay. The problem is the league is majority black and queer. So1.00
01:19:45.740Caitlin's fans are bad. When Clark claims fouls that don't exist, when she goes on profanity,0.98
01:19:52.040lays tirades at referees, those racists see her as a white woman in need of saving and take matters0.67
01:20:00.520into their own hands. This is crazy. Chelsea Gray of the Las Vegas Aces posted a message she got0.98
01:20:07.900following the July 12th game against the Fever in which a man called her a racial slur. Enough
01:20:12.460is kind of enough, Gray said on July 15th. These messages are not the first of its kind.
01:20:17.020There was other stuff too. It was just time. I got fed up with it and I just decided to share it.
01:20:22.040That's called a day on the Internet, madam. If any of us wanted to show you the hideous, racist, misogynistic, bigoted slop we are all subjected to on any given day, if we say something or do something remotely controversial, we'd be here forever.
01:20:39.620Most of it's from me. It's not nice to you. Most of it's from me to you.0.53
01:20:44.020I mean, we talked about it, but I thought it would stop. Still, you go on anyway.
01:20:49.120Right. Nevertheless, I persist. This is like they're making it sound like this is a unique thing to the NBA.
01:20:55.340Like they get nasty comments in their case, raise it like it's it's 2026 America.
01:21:01.060If you have any presence on the Internet, you've been subjected to this nonsense.
01:21:04.500OK. And anyway, it shouldn't need reminding, writes Nancy Armour.0.97
01:21:08.300This country has an awful history of black people being harmed, even killed in the name of defending, in quotes, white women.
01:21:17.500The WNBA's all star game this weekend is in Chicago. Emmett Till's hometown and a local art gallery is currently hosting an exhibit imagining his life if he hadn't been lynched.
01:21:32.240What is it with Emmett Till? Right. This like this just came up the other day in the in the Nolan Wells case where Ben Crump or was mentioning Emmett Till as though Nolan Wells, a black young man in Mississippi who is beloved by his white male friends, turned up dead on a beach, apparently drowned, though there's an investigation underway, has nothing to do with Emmett Till.
01:21:58.460but they brought up Emmett Till because of Emmett Till we need to investigate these white boys who
01:22:03.200loved him and befriended him but they're suddenly the same as all those Mississippi racists back in
01:22:07.940the day why again because they're white okay so here she is now Caitlin Clark can't say when a
01:22:17.300black person hurts her on the court because of Emmett because of Emmett Till she has a zip it0.53
01:22:25.580suck up the injury because of Emmett Till and then she finishes um while it's incumbent on the0.84
01:22:32.720WNBA to do more to protect its players there also should be an expectation on Clark to recognize0.52
01:22:38.180the wider consequences of her actions it ends with this line again I'm not a Clark hater she's great
01:22:46.000for the league and for women's sports she'll be even better when she cuts out the Oscar auditions
01:23:34.340It might not even be conscious, but she's protecting herself by trying to call attention to fouls and trying to call attention to when she is getting attacked on the court because she has to get it to stop.
01:23:45.520If she wants to keep playing professionally, she has to find a way for them to actually call the aggression against her.
01:23:55.040Before she tries to protect herself on the court, she needs to consider the cultural context in which she's playing, Megan, which actually, instead of this, like.
01:24:03.100The glass half full narrative about racial relations in America is so cynical and sad because the glass half empty narrative is a more accurate and be much more like beautiful, inspiring and true to the experience that we all have around us, which is that bigotry has been largely stamped out in this country.
01:24:21.180will never go away completely. But in recent decades, we've had amazing strides. That's why
01:24:25.740the WNBA has a multiracial fan base and you have black players and white players playing next to1.00
01:24:30.660each other, respecting each other, but they're blowing it up over the stupid Selma envy of white1.00
01:24:36.500writers like this lady. Yes, it's so absurd. So she's supposed to go down. And by the way,1.00
01:24:44.300isn't LeBron James known for the flopping? Isn't he infamous for faking injury over the
01:24:51.140top faking injury all the time. So he's allowed to do it because he's a black man, but she can't1.00
01:24:57.380do it because she's a white woman in the WNBA. So she's got to go down. And when she's thinking0.99
01:25:01.340about getting an advantage for her team, possibly by, you know, eliciting a foul, she's got to be
01:25:05.900like, uh, Emmett Till, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. She's, you're not allowed to do it because
01:25:12.400of Emmett Till. It's the rare exception to the flopping behavior that applies only to white0.94
01:25:18.760basketball players. I look forward to Nancy Armour's addressing this in the NBA as well.0.84
01:25:25.220I mean, should the male, should the white male basketball stars not be allowed to flop
01:25:30.980because of Emmett? There should be like, there should be a universal principle to protect because
01:25:36.480Black Lives Matter because of BLM. That's, that's basically where Nancy stands. How is this idiot0.98
01:25:41.780still employed by USA Today? She's an idiot. Some editor got that in their copy and like,1.00
01:25:48.580it wasn't just her posting to a sub stack. Like some editor got that in the copy and was like,
01:25:52.600yep, we're going to run it. Sounds good. Airtight. Great argument. She's she should stop it right now
01:25:58.540because of Emmett. All right. Well, that's going to be our motto from now on. Whenever she goes
01:26:01.580down, I'm going to raise Emmett Till. Like, how dare she? How dare she? In the wake of Emmett.1.00
01:26:08.180Before we take our break, Megan Rapinoe on The View continues to spew nonsense.1.00
01:26:14.660She doesn't care who gets hurt. She's got her millions. F the rest of you ladies. Here she is1.00
01:26:22.060in SOT 5. There's been a lot of debate about trans women in sports. And you recently wrote0.83
01:26:28.920an article basically saying that anti-trans legislation is not actually about protecting
01:26:33.940girls, but distracting from us from what really matters. Tell us what you mean by that.
01:26:38.900it's a beautiful article yeah thank you i appreciate that um i think what i mean by that
01:26:44.620is let's just like pull back a little at first it was like well nobody likes women's sports and
01:26:48.580nobody wants to watch it or there was you know abuse happening and nobody seemed to care now
01:26:53.800all of a sudden we're going to use a vulnerable group of people in the trans community to be like
01:26:58.760oh well we're just protecting women's sports and we care so much about it when the heritage
01:27:03.100foundation is now going to go after title nine so is it about reproductive rights or is it about
01:27:08.040as women's rights in general. We're seeing the rollback of Roe Wade. Marriage equality, I feel
01:27:12.940like, is getting put back on the table. That was settled law. And so all of these things, like,
01:27:18.080yes, they're going after trans people in sports and they're using this as a wedge issue because
01:27:21.960we love sports and, you know, we don't want our little girls to be unsafe in sports. And it's
01:27:26.680like, unsafe from who? But okay. But now we're using this as like an overarching thing when
01:27:33.220really we're attacking women. We're saying, if you look like this as a woman, you can play.0.99
01:27:38.040huh? What? To quote Archie Bunker, huh? I don't know what she's saying. She thought she'd sound1.00
01:27:47.760smart if she mentioned the Heritage Foundation and Title IX. It's actually gone all the way
01:27:55.100up to the Supreme Court now, Megan. You might want to bone up on your legislative history if
01:27:59.280you're going to become a political pundit now. She's an idiot, obviously, but she seems to be1.00
01:28:06.480spewing something about there's not going to be any more gay marriage. And the only reason people1.00
01:28:11.300stand up for girls rights in sport is. I don't know why she's saying we're doing it. She said0.99
01:28:19.560it's not about girls rights. I'm not sure why she says we're doing it, but it's not0.91
01:28:23.200in her view about girls rights. I love that line. Protect them from who?
01:28:27.200Ask that to Peyton McNabb, Megan. Take that to Peyton McNabb, Megan Rapinoe, and see how she
01:28:33.580would answer that question. It's just stupid. You're right. She clearly thought she was being1.00
01:28:37.960smart by invoking the Heritage Foundation, which is on the side of feminists in fighting for the1.00
01:28:44.060feminist past, Title IX, to actually protect people on the basis of sex. That's who the1.00
01:28:52.220Heritage Foundation is standing with on that, as the feminists of the 1970s who pushed for Title IX.
01:28:57.900She's the one who's on the other side of it. And she went on in that View interview to talk about
01:29:01.020the horrors of now having to test athletes on hormones and other things to make sure that you
01:29:07.420can play in one sport. It's like, she's saying, why are we doing that? Because of you, Megan Rapinoe,
01:29:12.340because of the ideology that you thrust into women's sports. This is literally the only reason1.00
01:29:16.880that we are now testing people, which I don't think anybody wants to have to do. It's because
01:29:21.340you have blurred the distinction between men and women to the point of meaninglessness.
01:29:25.800and that's why the tests weren't happening until your movement became the the primary like defender
01:29:32.880of men playing in women's sports that's exactly why those tests are now happening if you just said
01:29:38.020that women could play in women's sports men couldn't play in women's sports nobody would
01:29:40.900have to test anything it's you that pushed so true how from like the beginning of time we have0.64
01:29:46.660been allowing you know butch looking women to play women's sports in fact when one rolls up0.96
01:29:52.300to your team, you're usually like, yes, because, you know, they're going to be strong and fierce1.00
01:29:57.140and great. The women are never like, that's not a woman. Let's test to see if she's a woman.1.00
01:30:03.100Only now that we know actual men are coming into our sports, has this become an issue of like,1.00
01:30:09.460do we need to test? Like, do we actually need testing to figure out? And look, Imaine Khalif
01:30:14.500is a great example. That is a man who tried to pose as a woman along with a couple of others
01:30:20.680in Olympic boxing. And they were getting away with it until they did genetic testing. And it
01:30:26.060was revealed that our eyes were not lying to us. These were men. These were people with XY
01:30:30.720chromosomes. So whatever. I mean, you're right. She's to blame and she's losing. And that's what0.99
01:30:37.360you're really seeing is a loser's frustration out there because we just got a huge Supreme Court
01:30:43.200decision on our side saying it is fine for 27 states in the nation that have banned boys from
01:30:49.400girls' sports to have those bans. And the next step will be to get the ruling that boys may not
01:30:56.480be allowed to play in girls' sports because of Title IX, because girls are legislatively entitled
01:31:02.680to have a safe, same-sex-only athletic environment in which to play sports. That's what's coming0.93
01:31:10.160next, Megan. Hate to break it to you. It's not the breakup of your stupid marriage. It's that,
01:31:15.740protecting girls nationwide. So brace yourself. All right, we're going to take a break. We shall
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01:31:35.540and that Senators Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to
01:31:40.960benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of everyday Americans.
01:31:46.660Credit cards can keep your payments secure and provide rewards that families use to help make
01:31:51.080everyday purchases more affordable. The Electronic Payments Coalition says the Durbin Marshall
01:31:56.280mandates would let corporate megastores cut corners on credit card processing,
01:32:01.900routing transactions over cheaper, untested networks with weaker security and fewer protections.
01:34:31.780So here today they have you for three hours, which is extra special.
01:34:36.840Brooke Baldwin was CNN anchor for over 10 years.0.84
01:34:41.840We played some of this yesterday in which she's she has a sub stack now in which she's bragging about casual sex and how she had the opportunity to sleep with four men this past month.0.98