The Megyn Kelly Show - The Ilhan Omar Raid Mystery, Alex Cooper's Past Exposed, Selma Blair's Plane Meltdown, and Andy Ngo on Disturbing ＂Trans＂ Cult ｜ Ep. 1417

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00:00:59.700 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:11.380 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Tuesday. Man,

00:01:15.360 we have a lot to get to today. I don't know if you can see this on my desk, but like the piles

00:01:20.120 of stories that I want to go through and they're all fascinating. I have to say the news cycle is

00:01:25.860 juicy, for lack of a better term today. In a little while, we're going to be joined by Andy

00:01:32.740 Ngo. He's an independent journalist. He's going to talk about his new book on a trans death cult.

00:01:37.760 Probably haven't heard about this in the mainstream media. Plus, there is more to cover

00:01:42.380 on the Cornell 8 case. We did a little dive into the history of the sex podcaster,

00:01:49.060 You know, the one who's so confused as to how we could be in this place 10 years after Me Too.

00:01:56.420 And wait until you hear what we have found. 0.51

00:01:59.480 Honestly, it is actually too graphic to air on a show like this where we are not whores.

00:02:09.920 We don't take money for X-rated talk to our audience,

00:02:15.460 nor does anybody tune into this program expecting to hear such a thing.

00:02:19.060 But I am going to play you a couple of excerpts with a viewer warning. 0.95

00:02:22.920 And you absolutely need to hide the children because I have an answer for this woman on how we got here. 1.00

00:02:30.120 And it's going to require a mirror for her and other leftists like her who promote the most irresponsible messaging possible to young women. 0.98

00:02:41.960 And then when those young women fall into trouble, they scram. 1.00

00:02:47.400 They run for the hills.

00:02:49.060 And who do they blame? Themselves? No, the men, all of the men, the men who believe these women

00:02:59.000 are into the threesomes or the foursomes or whatever the hell else Alex Cooper has been

00:03:04.180 promoting for years now as she's bolstered by people like Kamala Harris and Michelle Obama 1.00

00:03:10.600 as some sort of a female empowerment example. I don't think so. The answer is no.

00:03:16.600 Also today, President Trump's new press secretary held her first very brief press briefing.

00:03:25.360 Didn't go particularly well, but it was fine. It was fine.

00:03:28.340 The mainstream press is completely hammering this young woman, and they're just so nasty.

00:03:32.840 This same crowd that told us that Corrine Jean-Pierre was the second coming, that she was basically Winston Churchill,

00:03:38.820 has now got thoughts on how the new press secretary isn't quite up to snuff on her first

00:03:44.640 15 minutes in front of them at the mics. I mean, maybe we could give her like 20 minutes. Could 1.00

00:03:50.580 we give her 20 before we pronounce her the worst ever and incompetent and unable to do the job? 1.00

00:03:57.060 I don't know this gal. I don't know whether she is unable to do the job. I know 15 minutes is not 0.99

00:04:02.220 enough to make an assessment. And people are damn nasty. They're nasty because she's blonde, 0.99

00:04:08.000 she's pretty, she's a Trump fan. You could say sycophant. I would accept that based on what I've 1.00

00:04:14.140 read about her. I don't, who cares? Do you think Kareem Jean-Pierre wasn't a sycophant about Joe

00:04:19.360 Biden? Please spare me. She absolutely was. Never mind Jen Psaki. Did Jen Psaki ever tell us one

00:04:27.220 word of truth? No, she ran cover for Joe Biden for all the time she was at that lectern. So I 0.98

00:04:32.900 don't really want to hear it on these people who are upset that this woman seems to be more of a

00:04:37.940 Trump fan than she does an independent journalist. That's not how you get that job. You're not there

00:04:43.800 to tell the truth. Please stop it, Pollyannas. You're there to spin the media into reporting 1.00

00:04:50.820 the best possible version of the president's agenda that you can get them to. And it's their

00:04:56.200 job to be defensive against your manipulation and depress you and to look for real answers

00:05:03.000 for the American. But that's how the system works. Stop getting your panties in it.

00:05:07.840 bunch because it seems she's a huge fan of President Trump and has never said a bad word

00:05:13.480 about him. This president wouldn't hire somebody for that position, probably, who had. I mean,

00:05:20.280 the reports are that that's why it took a while, because he kept finding people who had been

00:05:24.220 ripping on him. I have trouble believing that, to be honest, because J.D. Vance said some very,

00:05:28.820 very negative things about President Trump, and he's the vice president under Donald Trump. So

00:05:33.380 I don't know. But it doesn't matter. Who cares? The point is, she needs a minute. She did seem

00:05:38.840 nervous. We'll talk about it. I'm going to get into all of that. Veterans Day is coming up,

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00:06:41.220 Omar, because it appears to me that this woman may be in some serious legal trouble. And while

00:06:48.600 the left would like you to believe that this is just a witch hunt, it's basically the equivalent

00:06:52.820 of the witch hunt that was unleashed on Donald Trump. That is not true. Ilhan Omar genuinely

00:07:00.580 does appear to have behaved in a way that may have crossed more than one line legally.

00:07:09.180 And now we're getting some more details about the whole situation with the brother slash husband.

00:07:16.480 I mean, she had a husband, last name Elmi, E-L-M-I, who she was married to, at least in the eyes of the law.

00:07:27.620 The law may not have known that he was her brother.

00:07:30.620 She denies that he was her brother, is her brother.

00:07:34.340 I don't think I believe her.

00:07:36.200 I don't believe her.

00:07:37.920 Many people don't believe her.

00:07:39.160 I think she married her brother to get him in here and to avoid too much immigration scrutiny.

00:07:45.440 And if she did that, she committed a felony, and she's in a lot of trouble, a lot of trouble.

00:07:49.900 The feds raided her home yesterday morning in Washington, D.C., pulling documents and who knows what else.

00:07:57.180 They did not raid her home in Minnesota.

00:07:59.120 We don't know why.

00:08:00.480 Could be they couldn't get a judge to sign off on a warrant because Minnesota.

00:08:04.980 Or it could be some other reason that I don't know.

00:08:09.300 But they did raid the home in Washington, D.C.

00:08:12.380 And honestly, they can continue this farce for as long as they want.

00:08:15.560 But if this guy's her brother, they're going to figure that out.

00:08:18.440 You tell me, if you were accused of marrying your brother and committing immigration fraud and you had not married your brother, wouldn't you just submit a DNA test?

00:08:28.880 I mean, this isn't Breitbart calling and asking if she married her brother.

00:08:33.240 This is the federal government saying you committed immigration fraud and you can completely exonerate yourself if you prove to us that wasn't your brother.

00:08:43.900 All you do is get a cheek swab from him and from you.

00:08:48.020 Very, very simple.

00:08:49.920 Any one of these DNA companies could do it.

00:08:54.120 We won't need that because we have the FBI and Quantico.

00:08:56.960 They'll figure it out in about two minutes.

00:08:59.060 So we are going to know if that's the basis for this criminal probe, we are going to know and we are going to know quickly.

00:09:06.920 And she will not be able to defend if, in fact, she married her blood relative and claimed he wasn't.

00:09:16.200 So that's very interesting.

00:09:17.340 Now, we have pulled some of the facts around the marriage to the guy who's allegedly her brother.

00:09:28.480 And I want to say there's a couple of different things here, OK, because she also was subjected to a campaign finance probe that began under Joe Biden.

00:09:41.720 And we don't know whether this whole thing relates to that.

00:09:45.960 We just don't know why the feds raided her house.

00:09:52.060 But we're going to find out.

00:09:55.200 And here is what we know about the alleged marriage to the brother.

00:10:00.300 All right, we're going to go to the reporting of Scott Johnson.

00:10:03.860 He wrote for City Journal.

00:10:07.540 And this is what he reported.

00:10:11.700 He said that, this is years ago, where did the marriage rumors originate from?

00:10:17.780 And he reported the following.

00:10:20.400 This is the guy, as far as we can tell, who broke this whole thing.

00:10:22.380 Um, a posting on Somali spot discussion board alleged that Omar had married the man touted as her husband in 2002 before marrying her brother.

00:10:33.840 We told you about this yesterday.

00:10:34.800 She had a religious ceremony in 2002 with this guy whose last name was Hersey, and then she had her three kids with him.

00:10:41.060 But then she had a legal civil ceremony to get married.

00:10:45.480 the first one was invalid in the eyes of the law, to this guy, Elmi, E-L-M-I, a few years later.

00:10:53.500 And Elmi is the alleged brother.

00:10:57.140 So there was the religious ceremony in 2002 to the guy who would become the father of her three children.

00:11:03.360 Then in 2009, there was a legal civil ceremony to the guy we think may be her brother.

00:11:11.700 She denies, which I mentioned.

00:11:14.000 The post that journalist Scott Johnson saw on Somali Spot, which he'd been tipped off to,

00:11:20.220 he wrote, seems to have been withdrawn by someone from Minneapolis's Somali community.

00:11:26.260 Not withdrawn, written.

00:11:28.060 But it was then quickly deleted.

00:11:30.360 By the time it came to my attention, he writes, the post was only available via a Google cache, also now deleted.

00:11:36.920 Now, he said he reached out to the Omar team to ask whether she had married her brother.

00:11:45.760 And, you know, what the story was, he submitted written questions to representatives of the

00:11:49.200 Omar campaign, citing the Somali spot post and asking whether her second marriage had

00:11:53.580 been entered into with her brother for dishonest purposes, meaning to avoid the immigration

00:11:58.340 laws.

00:11:59.320 That same afternoon, I received a message from Omar's press contact indicating the campaign

00:12:03.900 would get back to me, but didn't.

00:12:05.920 But I did receive a response from a Minneapolis criminal defense attorney, Jean Brandel.

00:12:12.540 It provided no answer to my question and implied that the question itself evidenced bigotry against Omar and her candidacy for public office. 0.87

00:12:20.100 Now, honestly, it's very easy to answer this question.

00:12:24.320 You just say, I didn't marry my brother. I deny that.

00:12:27.880 And if you print that I married my brother, I'm going to sue you for defamation. 0.99

00:12:30.820 and you're going to look very foolish when I submit a blood test proving that you lied 0.99

00:12:35.520 and you behaved recklessly in printing this. 1.00

00:12:38.540 And that's what you would do if you were wrongly accused of marrying your brother, isn't it?

00:12:44.480 Anybody who printed that you had married your brother would be on the wrong end of a very, very evil,

00:12:51.360 angry, I should say, lawsuit, claiming you are evil and slapping you with a multimillion dollar damages demand.

00:13:00.820 And that's never happened. She has not sued anybody who has alleged this about her, at least that we know of, and it would have made news. And as I pointed out to you yesterday, when the Minneapolis Star Tribune, which has been running cover for Democrats for decades, especially for Tim Walsh and his trans agenda, when they took a deep dive into whether Ilhan Omar had married her brother in 2019, they published the following.

00:13:29.300 Um, we could find little publicly available information about Elmi.

00:13:35.000 That's the brother, alleged brother.

00:13:37.540 The search of records could neither conclusively confirm nor rebut the allegation that he is Ilhan Omar's sibling.

00:13:47.280 Then they talked, they wrote about trying to reach Omar's spokesperson, Jeremy Slevin, about the issue.

00:13:53.540 They said he issued a statement on Friday.

00:13:55.260 again, this is back in 2019, asserting that the questions about her personal life are

00:13:59.900 illegitimate. Here we go again. What happened to the reporter Scott Johnson? He was told by

00:14:06.600 a defense attorney, sicked on him by the Omar campaign, that the question itself evidenced

00:14:12.460 bigotry against Omar. Now we have the Minneapolis Star Tribune three years later that Scott Johnson

00:14:19.220 report was 2016. Now this is 2019, and the Minneapolis Star Tribune is taking a hard look.

00:14:24.580 And what are they told? These questions are illegitimate. Quote, since before she was elected to office, Ilan has been the subject of conspiracy theories and false accusations about her personal life.

00:14:35.000 Emboldened by a president who openly treats immigrants, refugees and Muslims as invaders, these attacks often stem from the presumption that Ilan, like others who share these identities, is somehow illegitimate or not fully American.

00:14:48.080 Well, that's not exactly a denial, but it is somebody pretending to be super angry that you're even asking, Minneapolis Star Tribune.

00:14:58.580 um the star tribune was not able to confirm or deny dispute disprove that she had married her

00:15:09.240 brother and did point out uh that the star tribune had had sought to authenticate some of the most

00:15:15.840 egregious allegations using public records and available social media posts uh and yet couldn't

00:15:21.660 do it one way or the other. Now back to the report by Scott Johnson a few years earlier.

00:15:29.540 He raises reporting by Alpha News. You guys remember Alpha News, right? They've done great

00:15:35.180 reporting in Minnesota. It's a Minnesota-based news organization that's more fair and balanced.

00:15:40.680 It's not in the tank for Republicans, but it doesn't hate them either, and will do fair

00:15:44.440 reporting on conservative issues. You can trust them. And they were very, very fair

00:15:50.140 when the George Floyd thing happened.

00:15:53.580 They were honest about what happened

00:15:55.840 at the police precinct.

00:15:56.860 I mean, they've been great.

00:15:58.000 Alpha News is great.

00:15:59.900 So Alpha News reported

00:16:02.340 a woman named Preya Samsundar.

00:16:06.860 She's the local reporter writing for Alpha.

00:16:09.700 This is as of 2016 in that Scott Johnson report.

00:16:12.280 Had found information suggesting that Elmi

00:16:14.980 is indeed her brother.

00:16:17.240 Quoting here.

00:16:17.820 Omar's own Instagram photos from the summer of 2015 place her in London with relatives and with a man later identified as Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi.

00:16:31.680 Soon after her marital history became an issue, however, Omar closed that Instagram account to the public.

00:16:39.620 When the account became public again, the reporter, Sam Sundar, found that the original photo collage of Omar and Elmi was no longer there.

00:16:51.240 Clearly, Omar had taken it down.

00:16:55.460 Sam Sundar also discovered that accounts once connected to Elmi had disappeared since the controversy over whether this guy was her brother began.

00:17:06.580 Even LinkedIn pages and Elmi's professional portfolio pages have gone missing.

00:17:13.380 New accounts for Elmi have appeared under a different name and without his identifying photo.

00:17:20.900 Based on her reporting, Sam Sadar believes that Omar's siblings include Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi

00:17:28.120 and Mohammed Noor Saeed Elmi, both residents now of the United Kingdom.

00:17:33.020 their social media accounts have referred to Omar as their sister. Sam Sundar found comments

00:17:39.820 and posts by Omar and Elmi showing an intimate relationship. Now we don't know, I don't think

00:17:46.640 they mean sexual, like a very close relationship they appear to mean, even after their supposed

00:17:52.160 marital split. Sam Sundar put it to me this way, writes Scott Johnson. I think social media

00:17:58.900 proves without a doubt that there is a familiar, familial relationship that is not that of a

00:18:05.760 husband and wife. So that's the story, my friends, on the husband slash brother. And by the way,

00:18:17.880 I should tell you that the man she married was Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi. That's who she married

00:18:24.980 in 2009, Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi. And Sam Sundar, the woman who writes for Alpha News, believes

00:18:32.540 that Omar's siblings include Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi and Mohammed Noor Saeed Elmi. There is

00:18:39.700 an Ahmed Noor Saeed Elmi who lives in the UK, and she reported that his social media

00:18:45.940 accounts referred to Omar as his sister. Okay, so she appears to have a brother named Ahmed

00:18:51.920 Noor Saeed Elmi. Oh, and also a husband by that name.

00:18:59.080 Oh, what? Whoops. Is Doug secretly named Pete Kelly? Okay, then no, he's not my brother. I'm

00:19:06.420 good. This is so ridiculous. I mean, ridiculous in that it seems quite clear she did it. And we've 0.97

00:19:14.880 been like screwing around with this, not doing anything about it for how many years now? And

00:19:19.580 Now the left is all like, oh, this is horror. The raid, it's the same as the raid at Mar-a-Lago.

00:19:24.340 How dare they harass her? She fucking married her brother. That's how it looks. 1.00

00:19:29.360 And broke immigration laws, allegedly. That's how they got the warrant, we think.

00:19:36.520 Now, it could be a different matter, which I want to hit on before we leave the subject of Ilhan Omar.

00:19:42.440 The New York Times in January of this year, 2026, reported the following that Joe Biden's DOJ opened an investigation into Representative Ilhan Omar in 2024 to scrutinize her finances, campaign spending and interactions with a foreign citizen.

00:20:04.560 The inquiry initiated by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington, D.C., and the department's public integrity unit in June of 2024, appears to have stalled for lack of evidence, reported the Times.

00:20:19.160 This is, again, from January 2026.

00:20:21.760 Or did it?

00:20:23.240 Did it stall for lack of evidence?

00:20:25.040 truly query whether Joe Biden's DOJ was thirsty to track down Ilhan Omar's misdeeds in the way

00:20:34.140 they were Donald Trump's. The investigation appeared to be thrust into the public spotlight

00:20:40.820 on Monday when President Trump blindsided department officials by posting about it on

00:20:45.760 Truth Social, singling out Ms. Omar. It was part of a rambling statement announcing a shakeup of

00:20:50.020 the team overseeing immigration raids in Ms. Omar's Minneapolis district that misspelled her name.

00:20:54.340 This is what Trump had posted. The DOJ and Congress are looking at Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who left Somalia with nothing and is now reportedly worth more than $44 million. Time will tell all.

00:21:06.600 It was not clear whether Mr. Trump was referring to another investigation altogether or how he arrived at the $44 million figure.

00:21:12.520 uh republicans have threatened to open an investigation omar an apparent effort to tie 0.54

00:21:18.420 her to the minnesota fraud scandal that has revealed evidence that some members of the

00:21:22.400 somali community set up companies that build state agencies for social services that were never

00:21:26.780 provided that's another possibility i mean that's her community does she have any role some role

00:21:32.460 whatsoever in the minnesota somali fraud scandal no idea no evidence has yet been produced showing

00:21:41.060 that Ms. Omar was connected to the fraud scheme, reported the Times. A spokesperson for her office

00:21:47.560 said they had received no official inquiries from the Oversight Committee of the House or DOJ.

00:21:53.600 So there's that about, you know, could there be a Somali connection to the Minnesota community,

00:22:02.540 or you heard the reference to the 2024, I think what that 2024 case was looking at,

00:22:08.080 it could have been the Somali thing because that that's been going on for a while, though it wasn't

00:22:13.600 as well publicized until this past year, or it could be something having to do with actual

00:22:19.200 campaign finances because she was also accused. This is just the third thing I'm going to tell you

00:22:25.280 of misusing, um, her campaign finance money, uh, to resolve certain personal finance issues. 0.96

00:22:38.080 like she used it to cover legal costs from her divorce from Elmi.

00:22:46.460 So in other words, the allegation in this Star Tribune piece in 2019

00:22:50.260 was that a Republican lawmaker had accused her of using cash

00:22:55.300 from her state house campaign to cover legal costs 0.66

00:22:58.280 from her divorce from her brother, I mean her husband, Elmi.

00:23:03.700 A British national, she had legally married in 29.

00:23:05.960 The Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board cleared her in the divorce case, but the probe determined that campaign money was used for unrelated legal services pertaining to her joint tax filings with the other husband, the one she had the three kids with.

00:23:25.160 She was ordered to reimburse $1,500 in legal fees and to correct her tax returns.

00:23:30.860 So here's where it stands.

00:23:33.340 She was, it appears, credibly accused of misusing campaign donations on private expenses. 0.96

00:23:41.120 She had to pay a fee and she had to revise her taxes.

00:23:45.520 She was also under a DOJ probe after the fact as of 2024.

00:23:51.480 That was 2019.

00:23:53.640 Was it related to the Somali fraud in Minnesota?

00:23:57.040 We don't know.

00:23:58.340 The New York Times article and the Trump tweets say precious little.

00:24:02.520 The next thing we know, we have a raid at her house in Washington, D.C., and I've just refreshed for you the reporting over the years about whether it has to do with immigration fraud.

00:24:13.920 So all of this is a long way of telling you we don't know what's going on, but do not believe the people who are saying this is a Trump witch hunt.

00:24:24.380 This is a Trump administration and Biden administration witch hunt, and indeed there may be a witch.

00:24:30.360 I don't know. If she married a brother so he could get here lawfully and spend five years

00:24:38.620 in the United States without a visa, the proper visa, she's going to be in trouble.

00:24:43.460 She's going to be in trouble. And we wait to see what, if anything, they have. Here's Trump

00:24:50.380 who weighed in on it yesterday and sought eight.

00:24:53.260 Well, I understand they're looking at it very carefully. I've always found them to be totally

00:24:59.100 crooked personally, but that has nothing to do with me. I think she's a terrible person, 0.68

00:25:04.040 just a complainer. She comes from a country that is a non-country, and then she comes over here 0.99

00:25:11.300 and she complains about our Constitution. I think she's a terrible person, but that's really up to 0.99

00:25:16.620 the DOJ. I have nothing to do. Okay, so we shall see. I believe he didn't have anything to do with

00:25:25.460 because, you know, he sent out that tweet in January,

00:25:28.380 but he's been pretty quiet.

00:25:29.760 And I think President Trump is thinking

00:25:30.860 about a lot of other things right now,

00:25:33.440 a lot of much bigger problems than Ilhan Omar.

00:25:36.320 So I am looking forward to seeing how this concludes,

00:25:41.540 because once and for all, we should know.

00:25:43.940 We should know whether she married her brother.

00:25:46.060 Remember when Bernie Carrick didn't get a top job in,

00:25:51.280 was it the Bush administration?

00:25:52.520 because he had an illegal working as a nanny, allegedly, or a housekeeper for him.

00:25:59.780 But you can marry your brother to get him into the country for free and nobody cares?

00:26:04.140 I mean, like, I think maybe people will care if that's what happened here.

00:26:09.280 Stand by. Have to wait and see.

00:26:11.820 Okay, moving on. 0.94

00:26:13.420 The new press secretary is named Katie Zakaria.

00:26:17.800 And she had her first outing today.

00:26:20.580 It didn't go particularly well.

00:26:22.520 I'll tell you who she is. It wasn't a disaster, but it wasn't impressive. She is a communications

00:26:31.480 advisor, was, to the Trump Media and Technology Group, which runs his social network, Truth Social.

00:26:38.660 She worked briefly at Department of Homeland Security as a spokeswoman for then-Secretary

00:26:43.960 Kristi Noem. She is the sixth press secretary under President Trump, if you count term one

00:26:49.820 in term two. She's the fifth woman to hold the position. Our pal Sean Spicer was the only guy

00:26:55.460 to hold it under Trump. Scaramucci was comms director, not press secretary. And I'll give

00:27:02.960 you a little flavor for how this went. This is, this is, what's, can we play the first

00:27:09.540 comments she said when she got up there, Deb. Good morning.

00:27:18.140 I am so honored to work for President Trump and the American people

00:27:23.920 as the new White House press secretary. I want to thank President Trump for his trust that he

00:27:33.340 has placed in me, I have wanted to work for him for a very long time. I'm looking forward to

00:27:42.380 working with each of you as well, especially as we are in the middle of the midterm blitz

00:27:48.180 with energy and excitement never seen before in the history of midterms, thanks to President Trump.

00:27:56.120 okay i mean it was fine um part of it is the look you know she's got very heavy makeup on 0.99

00:28:05.980 she's got the long curls she's got some chest showing with the tight like i think she needs 0.98

00:28:11.320 to dial it back i'm just gonna say like i know she's auditioning for a job on fox news they all 0.98

00:28:17.420 are um look at dana perino she was too like it's it's been a long line of republican press secretaries 1.00

00:28:23.380 whose real goal is to wind up on Fox News. 0.92

00:28:25.600 I get it, but Roger Ailes would be the first to tell you

00:28:28.900 when you are in a job

00:28:31.900 in which you need to be taken seriously,

00:28:34.580 you need to present as a serious person.

00:28:36.940 And then I would say once she's earned the respect

00:28:40.860 of the public and the press corps, 0.99

00:28:43.520 she can sauce it up if she wants. 1.00

00:28:44.980 She'll have a greater ability to do that 0.98

00:28:47.700 and to be taken seriously.

00:28:48.720 But right now, we don't know you.

00:28:50.380 and your first impressions are important

00:28:53.720 and you should be the consummate professional

00:28:56.280 in your presentation,

00:28:57.440 which means dialing back the makeup,

00:28:59.920 dialing back the over-the-top curls in the hair 0.66

00:29:02.460 and maybe covering up,

00:29:04.380 covering up a little bit more underneath that suit jacket.

00:29:07.520 You're not there to turn anybody on.

00:29:10.360 You're there to look like a professional.

00:29:12.840 And by the way, it's advice I've given to other officials,

00:29:17.780 cabinet officials and others in the Trump administration

00:29:20.300 and I think some of them took me advice and were very well served by it.

00:29:24.820 Obviously, I have no problem with glam makeup or hair.

00:29:27.800 Not today.

00:29:28.420 I don't really have any.

00:29:29.280 But in general, I have no problem with it.

00:29:31.540 But I do think you have to earn it, and she hasn't yet.

00:29:34.520 So dial it back, 20% less makeup, the sparkly eyeshadow. 0.95

00:29:40.700 Like, just dial it back, and you'll get there with the American people

00:29:43.920 if you are smart and credible.

00:29:46.780 Okay, so a little stumbly because she was nervous,

00:29:49.680 which you could hear in SAT, too. Second question for you, if I may,

00:29:55.180 a personal question. Your family is in California. Your husband, you have four children.

00:30:01.240 I'm wondering how you manage, how are you going to manage that? Caroline Levitt left because she 0.99

00:30:05.360 wanted to spend more time with her family. And also, did she give you any advice on how to handle

00:30:10.160 this job and the people in this room? Well, first of all, I want to give my husband an

00:30:15.800 amazing shout out. We have four kids ranging from 12, 10, 8, and 6. Three of them are boys,

00:30:21.580 so we have a handful. And I adore my family. I love them. They are my priority. I love being

00:30:29.440 with my kids. The idea of not spending evenings with my kids is completely unacceptable. So my

00:30:36.280 president, excuse me, my husband, that's a good one. All right. So she's getting creamed for that

00:30:45.380 stumbling mess of an answer, but she's nervous. She's not like, I know you can make the case

00:30:51.740 that she shouldn't be the press secretary then if she gets nervous in front of the cameras, 0.56

00:30:54.420 but she'll get there. Trust me, like talking live on camera is not as easy as it looks for most

00:31:02.260 people. And she doesn't seem to have a ton of experience doing it. I think she was probably

00:31:08.120 hired because she's attractive and she must've done a decent job behind the scenes at Truth

00:31:13.240 social and Trump was favorably impressed by her and believed that with time she could get there,

00:31:20.480 but she's clearly not there yet. Give her some time. You know, the thing that's really galling me

00:31:26.440 is the people who are most brutal toward her today are the very same people who truly wanted

00:31:34.560 us to believe that Karine Jean-Pierre was one of the great orators of our time.

00:31:38.840 Um, no, not true. And by the way, she never grew into the job. Karine Jean-Pierre read from that

00:31:49.200 stupid notebook every time she got up there and could not speak extemporaneously. And let me tell 1.00

00:31:56.680 you what this gal was doing today, Katie. She was trying to develop that skill. She did look down 1.00

00:32:06.940 her notes a fair amount. That's fine. But she was trying to speak off the cuff and she wasn't very

00:32:13.140 good at it, but she's going to get better. And the only way to get better at speaking off the cuff

00:32:17.860 is to do it and stumble and maybe sound a little silly the first few times you've tried it. But if

00:32:24.520 she is still at this job a year from now, she's going to be way better at it. And there's really

00:32:29.720 no short, you know, short cutting that journey from A to Z. So I wish her well. And I actually

00:32:37.060 am very open minded to her improving. And I think the mainstream media should STF you. I mean,

00:32:43.240 we literally have Brian Stelter out there ripping this girl. Would you please stop?

00:32:47.640 It's a miracle anybody ever let you on TV at all. You know that you only got put on TV because you

00:32:53.540 wrote that stupid newsletter that like wrote up people's ratings and therefore you got some notice, 1.00

00:32:59.020 but you know nothing. You were never a doer. You were always a watcher. You were always a 1.00

00:33:03.760 sideline man. That's what's so sad about these media critics. You've never done. You've only

00:33:08.720 watched. You've got lots of criticism from the cheap seats. And now he wants to weigh in

00:33:13.560 on the job she's doing as White House press secretary. Please be quiet. Please be quiet.

00:33:18.820 We'll let you know when we want to hear from you. And it will probably have to do with something

00:33:23.280 completely other than a Trump press secretary. No one wants to hear your opinions on her. 0.92

00:33:29.020 All right. One other thing. She did make some news while she was standing up there today. She made news that Kimberly Guilfoyle has been asked to step down as our ambassador to Greece. It wasn't a huge surprise. You know, if you listen to AM Update this morning, you heard that President Trump yesterday said, I'm not happy. And when asked if he was going to tell her if he was going to fire her, are you thinking about it?

00:33:57.340 He said, yeah. And so on the heels of that, we got news today that via via Katie that they had asked her to.

00:34:07.640 Oh, we have it. OK, let's watch it.

00:34:09.980 We have asked Ambassador Guilfoyle to resign.

00:34:13.980 She has been a wonderful asset to the team and we wish her well.

00:34:19.420 There they go. So they've asked her to step down.

00:34:22.400 And now we have the ex post by Kimberly that reads, serving as United States ambassador to

00:34:30.140 Greece has been the honor of a lifetime. I'll forget forever be grateful to president Donald

00:34:33.620 J. Trump and Marco Rubio for entrusting me with the extraordinary privilege, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:37.860 For my first day as ambassador, I've worked tirelessly to advance Trump's agenda, blah,

00:34:42.840 blah, blah. We've done all these wonderful things. I'm so proud of everything. These

00:34:47.140 accomplishments are a president, a testament to the president's bold leadership. All right,

00:34:51.460 here we go. I also want to address the recent allegations against me. They're false. And I

00:34:55.740 intend to vigorously defend my name, my reputation, my integrity. I've dedicated my professional life

00:35:00.020 to fighting for justice, standing up for what's right and defending the values that will make

00:35:02.900 America exceptional. I will not allow false accusations to define my decade, decades of

00:35:08.720 public service, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. It's all, you know, puffery about Trump after that. Now

00:35:15.460 Now, I mean, it's interesting that she's acting like this is like a false sort of hit job on her, and it may be.

00:35:24.980 But just for the record, it's the Wall Street Journal that has broken virtually all of the stories.

00:35:31.100 The Daily Mail broke at least one or two of the big stories.

00:35:34.500 Those are not left-wing publications.

00:35:36.960 And she's not being fired by President Joe Biden.

00:35:39.960 She's being fired by President Donald Trump.

00:35:42.720 The people who are accusing her of behaving badly work for Trump's embassy in Greece and work for or were donors to Trump's campaign and our Trump boosters.

00:35:57.540 So, you know, that's what this has come out of.

00:36:00.620 And I'm very open minded to her statement that she didn't do any of this stuff.

00:36:06.260 But we'll have to see, because right now there is the possibility that Kimberly is not only facing the loss of her position as ambassador, but she could she could potentially be in some criminal trouble here if if the allegations against her are true.

00:36:22.880 And again, she's denying them. So we again reported on this this morning, but I'm just going to give those of you who didn't hear a.m. update, which you should totally be tuning into.

00:36:30.540 It's a 15-minute, 19-minute news update show we put out every morning to get you up to date on

00:36:36.860 the day's news. Here is what they are reporting. Okay. First, it started with this guy Dieters.

00:36:44.820 This guy Dieters is a Trump donor. He's a former congressional candidate who did not win. And

00:36:54.760 he ran in Kentucky and got into the orbit of Kimberly Guilfoyle and possibly some of

00:37:01.420 the Trumps and appears to have been trying to worm his way closer to President Trump

00:37:10.080 through Kimberly.

00:37:12.560 The allegations broken by the Wall Street Journal on October 7th include an alleged

00:37:19.120 signal exchange in which she was about to testify for her confirmation hearing as ambassador.

00:37:25.640 And she didn't, well, they probe everything. They look at when you're nominated for a post

00:37:29.780 like this, they will look at your finances. They will make sure, you know, there's nothing anybody

00:37:33.000 can use to blackmail you, that kind of thing. And apparently she had some debts that she wanted off 0.88

00:37:37.960 of the books, reports the journal. And she went to at least this guy Dieters to say,

00:37:44.040 please go pay off my Amex to the tune of $100,000. Do it directly. Here's my Amex number 0.73

00:37:54.120 and the address, and I'm begging you to go pay $100,000 to them for me. He said no.

00:38:01.720 And she was reportedly, allegedly, according to the Wall Street Journal, promising to set him up

00:38:07.740 with connections, bragging about how all of the cabinet secretaries take her calls,

00:38:12.600 and that she could basically have access

00:38:15.160 to any one of them

00:38:16.120 and this would be worth Dieter's while.

00:38:19.200 He reports the journal didn't do it,

00:38:21.740 saying, I'll have to get a divorce.

00:38:23.960 He told her it would cost him his marriage,

00:38:25.440 quote, I can't do this without getting a divorce.

00:38:28.380 The reporting was that

00:38:29.480 she was getting ready for that hearing

00:38:31.460 and that what she said to him was,

00:38:33.520 quote, honey, please,

00:38:35.140 I need you to get this done for me today.

00:38:38.020 You could just send it here.

00:38:40.060 She wrote on July 3rd, 2025,

00:38:41.480 just days before her July 9th confirmation hearing. Dieters didn't do it. For months,

00:38:46.360 she had been chatting with Dieters, reports the journal. He'd been seeking her help

00:38:51.780 in getting the administration to help him on some personal tax and legal issues.

00:38:59.100 And he had promised Guilfoyle payments of as much as $1 million if she was successful

00:39:06.040 in helping him resolve these issues with the administration figures.

00:39:11.780 Dieters said Guilfoyle told him if he came up with the Amex money,

00:39:15.580 quote, I will be your Trump ride or die forever and ever, end quote.

00:39:20.120 But he said she never came through on anything.

00:39:23.560 A lawyer for Guilfoyle disputed the authenticity of the messages

00:39:26.460 but declined to provide specifics.

00:39:28.960 He said she had been paid to speak at events before her nomination

00:39:32.820 and was owed a balance.

00:39:33.880 Dieters said that is a lie. He owed Guilfoyle nothing. She was seeking a favor from him in

00:39:41.760 exchange for access that she was promising him to the admin. Dieters said his dealings with

00:39:51.000 Guilfoyle began in 2020 when he launched an event called Freedom Fest in Kentucky in response to the

00:39:56.520 COVID-19 medical mandates. At that point and in the years thereafter, he paid her $300,000 to speak

00:40:03.380 He had also given $200,000 to Trump Jr., $100,000 to Eric Trump, and others.

00:40:09.940 Her interactions with Dieters grew more frequent in the months after she was nominated as ambassador.

00:40:14.140 She promised to lobby top Trump officials from FBI Director Cash Patel to A.G. Pam Bondi.

00:40:19.740 Quote, every secretary you know of from defense, transportation, treasury, commerce, IRS commissioner, everyone gets right back to me,

00:40:31.020 she wrote, before adding the FBI director, his name misspelled, writes the journal. Oh yeah,

00:40:35.960 I'm forgetting Kash Patel. Guilfoyle also expressed concern about her dealings with

00:40:40.020 Dieter's becoming public and the effect that that might have on her ambassador post. She warned him

00:40:45.220 repeatedly to not commit talk of money or payments to text. Eric, quote, I really wish you would stop

00:40:52.560 papering all these things, end quote. Just call me on Signal. In January 2025, weeks after the

00:40:59.180 nomination, she complained that Dieters had told a producer on her podcast about their deal. Quote,

00:41:03.840 it's unbelievable when we have a private arrangement with you that you would now

00:41:07.380 see a producer talking about money. She said, do not say we have any arrangement. She added,

00:41:12.880 quote, what a nightmare. You will literally cost me my ambassadorship. Stop writing.

00:41:18.020 As her confirmation hearing approached, Galefoy complained to friends that she was broke. People

00:41:21.900 are people familiar with the matter, wrote. Last March, when Dieters inquired about when she would

00:41:29.520 move to Greece, Guilfoyle told him to stop asking, quote, I have a lot of shit to get done before 0.97

00:41:33.440 then and I need to make money. Later that spring, she began requesting additional payments from

00:41:37.900 Dieters, writes the journal, asking him to draft a letter saying he owed her two $50,000 back

00:41:42.920 payments for consulting services. That's what Dieters told the journal, quote, she was worried

00:41:47.280 about legality. She was worried about the appearances of it. Then there was a report 0.99

00:41:53.040 that there were two Greek business magnates whose businesses she had promoted.

00:42:00.940 And the question is, why would an American ambassador to Greece be promoting the business

00:42:07.420 interests of some Greek magnet? And the allegation is that she did that because one gave her a private

00:42:15.140 jet ride to Paris, and one gave her a private jet ride someplace else. Maybe, I can't remember,

00:42:23.120 Dubai, but the one in Paris, and then the one allegedly paid for her hotel stay at George

00:42:31.960 V, which is the fourth season hotel in Paris. Now, all of this, again, has been denied. You

00:42:41.020 heard her touting her qualifications. But there is reportedly an inspector general

00:42:48.120 investigation into Kimberly Guilfoyle right now. And that's problematic. That's problematic for her

00:42:56.580 inspector general of the Department of State. So like the internal watchdog. The Daily Mail's

00:43:01.360 reporting was more about alleged mistreatment of staff at the embassy. They report that three

00:43:08.880 sources told them the IG is looking into allegations surrounding her potential substance

00:43:12.620 abuse, use of private planes and helicopters, close relationship with an energy and construction

00:43:18.140 company, improper gift acceptance, and more. The official IG probe was launched after internal

00:43:24.360 complaints within the U.S. embassy escalated to a breaking point. Sources in Greece tell the Daily

00:43:29.080 Mail there was a toxic workplace climate, they allege, that she's had workplace outbursts,

00:43:34.560 according to sources. I mean, I don't know about any of these. This is like, they've got a quote

00:43:39.040 in there that she, she threatened some embassy workers, fucking get it done or you're fucking 1.00

00:43:43.000 fired. Well, I mean, so maybe they weren't getting shit done. Like that, that doesn't persuade me 0.99

00:43:47.000 at all. And honestly, whenever there's a female boss involved, you're going to get a, you're going 1.00

00:43:50.460 to get an article about how it's a toxic workplace. They don't do this shit to the men. They really 1.00

00:43:54.580 genuinely don't. Doesn't mean she's not, she's not capable of creating a toxic workplace. I'm 1.00

00:43:59.780 not saying I'm just, I just, it is a pattern. So take it for what it's worth. Um, in any event,

00:44:05.760 there was a report that she had abused her security detail, a grandfather who was sleeping

00:44:12.020 and she was drinking at four in the morning and she wanted him to come get her. He didn't respond

00:44:18.180 because he was asleep. The Daily Mail reports next day, she demoted him. Her alleged early

00:44:23.340 morning request was quote, to fetch more ice cubes. This is what they are alleging in the

00:44:29.380 mail. All right, look, here's what's really happening here. She may or may not have done

00:44:33.620 these things. I have no idea. I'll wait to see what the OG says or the IG says. But the problem

00:44:38.420 is when stories like this break in a cascade around any cabinet official, which she's not,

00:44:43.900 or ambassador, which is a privileged position usually given to massive donors to a campaign,

00:44:50.920 I think we all know how this one came about, which wasn't exactly donations, but she was with Trump

00:44:56.680 Jr. They were breaking up. She was with the Trump family for a very long time, very intimately at

00:45:03.300 many, many private gatherings. And the next thing we knew, she was offloaded to the ambassadorship

00:45:08.380 and Don Jr. moved on with his life and later married and fell in love with a lovely woman

00:45:15.220 named Bettina Anderson, now Trump. In any event, you cannot become a headache for the president.

00:45:23.080 That's the bottom line.

00:45:24.260 Any official who's in the cabinet or in the administration in any way,

00:45:28.140 even if it's an ambassadorship, but especially an ambassadorship,

00:45:30.800 which is just like a plum job you give to big donors,

00:45:34.000 you certainly don't want them to become a problem for you.

00:45:36.040 It's like, at least a cabinet official is actually working for you.

00:45:39.380 The ambassadors, I'll pretend they're doing something important,

00:45:42.480 but we know what this really is.

00:45:43.380 This is a boondoggle.

00:45:46.780 And she has been.

00:45:48.140 Like, I'm not sure.

00:45:49.800 This guy Dieters seems very pissed off.

00:45:52.340 He created a bunch of problems for her, and then once the dam is broken, Bob's your uncle.

00:45:57.100 Everybody starts coming out of the woodwork if you've ever had a negative experience with them.

00:46:02.140 So I look forward to hearing what she has to say about it.

00:46:06.060 My experience with Kimberly Guilfoyle is she's a survivor.

00:46:09.800 She is a survivor. 0.84

00:46:11.340 She's very clever, smart gal, and I think if you were smart, you'd be betting for her to land on her feet. 0.90

00:46:19.180 We'll have to wait and watch it.

00:46:21.460 Now, as long as we are in the lane of media personalities becoming public officials, I've been meaning to get to this. It was a podcast called Uncloseted, and Don Lemon went on it within the past two weeks and said the following, Sat 18.

00:46:41.620 Look, I never say never.

00:46:45.400 It is like, I've got a lot on my plate right now doing what I'm doing.

00:46:49.040 This is not easy to do every day, but I have to be, I'm, I am very aware of the importance

00:46:54.260 of what I'm doing, what it means to the culture and society.

00:46:57.640 I shouldn't say very, sometimes I'm too close to it, but when I'm out there, people like,

00:47:00.800 thank you for what you're doing.

00:47:02.240 And so it, and it's very humbling, but when I'm out there, they're not only saying thank

00:47:06.200 you for what I'm doing, they say, did you ever, would you ever consider running for

00:47:10.040 office and and i say well you know i thought about it in this would you ever run for president and i

00:47:14.280 said oh well definitely i think i could be a better president than donald trump so that's where that

00:47:17.660 came from um how serious is it if the people want me i'll do it but if that's the best way for me to

00:47:22.260 help the american people then sure i'll do it and maybe you know maybe i can do them at the same time

00:47:27.940 and maybe that maybe that's a way of running that has not been um mined let me try and get a

00:47:35.100 headline out of you. What percentage chance before you leave this earth do you think you

00:47:39.840 will run for president? Oh, what percentage chance that I think I'll run? 65, 70. Wow.

00:47:51.960 OK, I'm going to shock you. I think you should do it. I actually think you should do it.

00:47:57.480 First of all, it's not a deal breaker that he has spent his life as a journalist. I mean,

00:48:03.320 you could absolutely parlay that into a career in public service. Second of all, do you really

00:48:09.200 think Kamala Harris is a lot smarter than Don Lemon? Do you? I know she was at least a lawyer.

00:48:17.140 She was an attorney general for the state of California. No, I don't believe so.

00:48:22.100 Do you think Joe Biden was? I don't. Are we so enamored with our public officials now we don't

00:48:28.640 think somebody like Don Lemon could do it? Honestly, I'm not. I actually think, yeah,

00:48:34.840 he could match wits against AOC just fine. He could. And will he do it from his podcasting

00:48:43.180 booth? That would be interesting to watch. All I can say is it would certainly give us a lot to

00:48:47.860 talk about. So I encourage him and I'm rooting for him. He doesn't actually think he's going to win,

00:48:55.060 However, because, well, he explains here on SOT19. 1.00

00:48:59.800 Because I think that America is ready for a gay president or a gay black president. 0.99

00:49:05.600 But do I think, as you asked me if I'm going to run, do I think that it is the right time 0.99

00:49:12.460 for that person to emerge and run?

00:49:14.560 I'm not so sure about that, considering what is on the line.

00:49:18.540 I know the homophobia in this country.

00:49:20.860 I know the racism in this country because I live it every single day.

00:49:24.060 I don't have the privilege of being a white man. People will say, if I just had the confidence

00:49:28.080 of an unqualified white man, I could rule the world. So, yeah, of course, I think that 0.61

00:49:35.520 America would accept that and could be, but I don't know if it's the moment to do it.

00:49:43.140 So the country is not too racist and homophobic, except for the fact that they are too racist and

00:49:49.960 homophobic, so he can't. So that's where we are. He thinks the country is homophobic and racist,

00:49:56.740 even though it has made him a multimillionaire. He was at the helm of CNN for many, many years.

00:50:04.060 He's married a, you know, a white guy, but it's all, you know, has a lot of envy and anger and

00:50:11.340 resentment toward white men because I guess Don Lemon's life didn't work out the way he thought

00:50:16.620 it would, I would, I would submit it surpasses wildest dreams that he has as a child, but much

00:50:22.540 in the way that Michelle Obama will never give up her grievances, neither will Don Lemon. So Sonny

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00:53:01.120 even though only four had sex with her. They all say it was voluntary and that she initiated it

00:53:05.820 with the last two. She as well counts as one of the eight because she's been accused by

00:53:11.340 the first male defendant of fellating him while he was in and out of consciousness, 0.91

00:53:17.600 which she seems to admit, not that she was actively performing oral sex on him at the 0.77

00:53:22.740 moment, but that in their bout in the bed together, he could not keep his eyes open.

00:53:27.960 he continued to fall in and out of consciousness as she was having an interlude with him.

00:53:33.920 There's a new report out today via TMZ citing one of the roommates who lived in the room in

00:53:42.800 which the tryst took place. We don't know his name, and he's not one of the defendants,

00:53:48.080 so this actually is new information. He and his girlfriend were apparently trying to get into

00:53:53.740 that room on the night in question and were eyewitnesses to the state of Jane Doe. And so

00:54:00.500 it is interesting to hear what they had to say when the university began investigating this case

00:54:05.700 at Cornell. They testified that she was coherent, Jane Doe was, when she was in the room,

00:54:12.420 that she did not look to be in distress when she exited that same room in the wee hours

00:54:18.420 of the morning overnight from October 19th to 20th, 2024. They also testified to, this is

00:54:27.420 Jonathan Newell is defendant number two, the one who wrote the vile Snapchat post about free you

00:54:32.680 know what. And he was part of the first threesome and the second threesome and was blitzed out of

00:54:38.060 his mind, which is probably why he was tweeting things like he was, not tweeting, but posting on

00:54:42.800 Snapchat. Um, but he was the one who was dry heaving and couldn't really, he wasn't doing

00:54:48.520 very well on that first tryst. He, he was able to perform, but he was very sick. And, um, she

00:54:55.920 testified, she told the police that he was dry heaving and that she was rubbing his back. Well,

00:55:01.040 now we hear from his, um, roommate that when he went into his own room, Jane Doe was inside with

00:55:07.520 Newell, who appeared to be vomiting into a bowl or a bucket. He said Doe repeatedly told him

00:55:14.280 everything was fine and she was taking care of Newell. He says he felt like Doe was pushing him

00:55:19.700 out of the doorway and not allowing him to enter his own room. She is now alleging even that

00:55:25.400 interlude was rape. A guy came in, a roommate, and her alleged rapist is bent over vomiting

00:55:32.900 into a bucket and she tells this new guy, everything's fine. She's taking care of Newell

00:55:40.080 and she's basically pushing him out of the room. I mean, true, this woman wants us to believe that 1.00

00:55:44.840 this guy was raping her. And this is what she did when somebody stepped in, a roommate who had 0.99

00:55:49.160 nothing to do with this and has not been accused in any way in this case. That's his testimonial,

00:55:53.480 completely innocent of anything other than walking in and seeing her and being told basically to get

00:56:00.100 out, that she's got it, that she's taking care of Newell, who is clearly physically incapacitated

00:56:04.820 or close to it. Not physically helpless. That's the standard. Physically helpless is what she

00:56:10.180 has to prove in order to show that this was rape of her. She's not there. Now, with guy number one

00:56:14.660 who was passed out, you're there. This guy was just vomiting into a bowl, her alleged rapist, 0.99

00:56:21.620 and she looked at the entering second roommate and said, everything's fine. 0.99

00:56:26.400 Everything is fine, repeatedly, he said,

00:56:30.020 and now I'm taking care of him.

00:56:31.960 This is crazy, you guys.

00:56:34.380 The next time he encountered her,

00:56:36.260 multiple people were inside the room.

00:56:38.100 He says she was fully clothed, lying in a bed

00:56:40.780 and conversing with the other individuals in the room

00:56:43.260 very clearly.

00:56:43.960 He says she appeared to be speaking very coherently

00:56:47.080 and on a one through 10 scale of intoxication,

00:56:50.020 she was between a one and a two.

00:56:52.600 Now, whether she was or she wasn't, 0.94

00:56:54.500 We know that she'd been doing some ketamine.

00:56:57.520 All we really know is that she did,

00:56:59.040 at least according to her,

00:57:00.260 one line of ketamine off of this guy, Newell's unit.

00:57:04.440 The first bout of ketamine,

00:57:05.940 she claimed to remember in Trist number one

00:57:07.600 prior to that is disputed.

00:57:09.800 And there may have been a third,

00:57:12.440 or if you go by the guy's count,

00:57:14.700 a second line of ketamine later in the evening.

00:57:18.540 In any event, he finally told them all to get out.

00:57:21.820 He wanted the room for himself.

00:57:23.860 And he did tell the police that he left the house with Jillio Lopes, that's the third

00:57:32.840 man with whom she had sex last night, and his girlfriend.

00:57:35.420 They went to McDonald's.

00:57:36.500 When they got back, the room was empty.

00:57:38.140 He heard several of his frat brothers the next morning when he woke up involved in what

00:57:43.700 he called, in what the DJ, they're referring to the roommate as the DJ, what he called

00:57:51.900 a consensual act.

00:57:53.020 Act. The cops asked him what he meant by consensual. He elaborated that all four of the guys that had sex with her all admitted to having consensual sex with Doe. As for why the fraternity brothers felt it necessary to characterize sex with Doe as consensual hours after the party. Well, that's unclear, reports TMZ. Let me clear it up for you. They were talking to police officers. Why would the police officers be asking you about your sexual interlude unless they were querying whether it was consensual?

00:58:20.300 Like, it doesn't take a damn rocket scientist. 0.97

00:58:24.020 He told police Doe never gave off a vibe that she wanted to leave the party at any point he saw her during the night. 0.98

00:58:30.340 And he saw her fairly late.

00:58:31.720 The other witnesses, the DJ's girlfriend, also spoke to investigators on December 17th, over a month after Doe first went to the police.

00:58:42.440 She said, the girlfriend, when she got to the fraternity house after the McDonald's run, there were frat bros standing outside the room wondering what was going on inside.

00:58:49.240 She was confused when she saw people were going in and out.

00:58:52.880 She told police she thought it didn't sound like something good happening inside.

00:58:56.340 She said someone, presumably her girlfriend, told everyone to leave.

00:58:59.360 She saw Doe exit with four or five guys.

00:59:02.260 Recall, before the third interlude, some of the guys took her to another room.

00:59:05.680 She said two guys.

00:59:07.640 She said it was scary because she didn't realize how many men were with Doe,

00:59:11.360 but she said Doe did not look distressed.

00:59:15.980 Doe did not look distressed.

00:59:17.460 The co-ed told cops she was not concerned about Doe that night.

00:59:20.260 She said her feelings changed as she heard more about Doe's account,

00:59:24.360 and then she felt kind of guilty for not helping her.

00:59:27.520 She told cops there was no way of knowing something may have been amiss

00:59:30.500 because Doe said the men who were in the room with her all looked very calm.

00:59:37.680 Sorry, she said Doe and the men all looked very calm as they left,

00:59:42.600 adding it seemed consensual because no one looked visibly distressed. Just another piece

00:59:49.340 of the testimony that is likely to come in about Jane Doe and how she was nowhere near

00:59:56.080 physically helpless, which is the only way she can prove rape. Physical helplessness.

01:00:03.980 If you are intoxicated or high out of your mind, you cannot say, I was incapable of consenting.

01:00:11.560 If you are the reason you were that intoxicated, you can't we've made a policy decision in New York state to not put male partners in that position where they then have to go back and relitigate consent that they did obtain from a drunk partner who then after the fact wants to say, I didn't give consent because I was drunk.

01:00:31.600 No, we've decided, as many other states have in New York, that if you are voluntarily intoxicated, you will not be able to raise lack of consent due to intoxication.

01:00:42.660 However, New York and all these other states will say if your voluntary intoxication has gotten to the point of physical helplessness, you're back in business.

01:00:52.520 So that is the only way Jane Doe can prove rape.

01:00:55.100 And this is the testimonial of independent witnesses like somebody's girlfriend who says she seemed fine.

01:01:00.460 She didn't seem in distress at all.

01:01:02.200 Way into the evening, when she left that room,

01:01:04.680 it was in between trysts two and three.

01:01:07.940 She seemed fine.

01:01:09.400 The male roommate said she looked like 1.00

01:01:11.980 she was maybe a one or a two on the scale of drunkenness.

01:01:16.740 She was totally coherent and not in distress.

01:01:19.780 And by the way, contrast that with Jonathan Newell,

01:01:23.400 who is vomiting into a bucket,

01:01:25.300 and she is shooing people out of the room saying,

01:01:27.180 get out, I'm taking care of him.

01:01:28.460 Okay. This is not a rape victim. We raised the issue of the show, Call Her Daddy, yesterday, 0.99

01:01:36.220 which is a disgusting, filthy podcast where this woman has gotten rich acting like a prostitute. 1.00

01:01:40.400 Talking about X-rated acts, I played you some of the soundbites yesterday, giggling that 11-year-old 1.00

01:01:45.060 girls were listening to her talking about giving blowjobs and making it very clear that if you are 0.99

01:01:50.980 unattractive in Alex Cooper's eyes, you need to give more aggressive blowjobs. If you're only a 1.00

01:01:56.620 five or a six in Alex Cooper's judgment, you need to make an absolute pig out of yourself. 1.00

01:02:02.120 That's her advice to young women. This is the woman we're now looking to for female empowerment 1.00

01:02:06.360 with Michelle Obama and Kamala Harris and, um, Haley Bieber, uh, many, many well-known 0.99

01:02:12.420 A-list celebrities go on there to be cool. And it looked like they're going to have like the

01:02:17.140 cool girl conversation. And now she's the voice of a generation because she wants to talk about

01:02:22.360 how you should swallow a man's semen. That's the level of conversation she's brought into the 0.98

01:02:28.760 public debate. It is worse than even we knew because let me just show you something. Okay.

01:02:35.580 She had on, she had the nerve, the nerve to weigh in on the Cornell seven. All I want to hear from

01:02:40.760 Alex Cooper about the Cornell seven, eight is she's sorry. I would like to hear an apology from

01:02:46.280 her for leading God knows how many young American women down the lane that Jane Doe went into 1.00

01:02:52.680 thinking that raunchy, disgusting, immoral, nasty behavior is going to make them feel better about 1.00

01:02:58.360 themselves instead of worse. Because there's no one more directly responsible for filling young

01:03:02.860 women's heads with that kind of nonsense in this generation than this woman who hosts this podcast. 0.99

01:03:08.420 In my generation, it was Sex and the City and Carrie Bradshaw, Sarah Good, Jessica Parker, 1.00

01:03:12.860 and that whole thing. But in this generation, Gen Z and millennials were dealing with this woman. 0.97

01:03:20.140 And she had the nerve to weigh in on the Cornell case by having on this absurd, absurd Cornell 1.00

01:03:26.620 professor who fancies herself an expert in misogyny and push the bullshit lie about more 1.00

01:03:33.020 than a third, 30 percent of women on Cornell campuses have been raped. These are lies are not 0.99

01:03:38.180 true. Again, as Heather McDonald pointed out, the Detroit overall crime rate was 2.4% not many

01:03:44.940 years ago for everything, murders, carjackings, robberies, you name it. What are the odds that

01:03:50.420 on Cornell and Ivy League University, in just rapes alone, we're at 35%. These are lies,

01:03:56.340 okay? They push the lies, of course. I mean, you're not going to go there for facts unless

01:03:59.980 you're an idiot. But the fact that she had the nerve to weigh in on it is what really got my 1.00

01:04:04.040 goat. And here is one of the exchanges that I found infuriating, SOT25. It has been almost a

01:04:12.600 decade since the Me Too movement first started. A decade. How the hell are we still here? Right?

01:04:19.100 We have been talking about campus rape, consent, the way institutions fail women for even longer

01:04:25.660 than that. We've got the language. We have the research. We have the tools and the resources

01:04:31.280 is to understand sexual violence to help survivors and to prevent it from happening and yet we are

01:04:37.780 still having the exact same conversations it is exhausting and more importantly it is infuriating

01:04:46.800 more than one in five women have experienced rape one in five women so every single one of us knows

01:04:55.140 a Jane Doe. Many of us are Jane Doe. Okay. She's not a Jane. As I said yesterday, she's a Jane

01:05:04.820 Ho. She's a train ho. This is a performance that we're witnessing here because for this woman to 1.00

01:05:13.500 look into the camera and say, how did we get here? How are we here? Is such a farcical job 0.98

01:05:22.800 of acting, she should be considered in the next Golden Globes nomination. Let me tell you how

01:05:29.140 we got here, sweetheart. And this is where my viewer warning is coming. Please legitimately

01:05:37.840 remove the children. Do not let them hear this next soundbite. And I apologize to you in advance

01:05:42.160 for playing it on my show. We have never played anything this filthy. I hope never to play

01:05:46.680 anything this filthy again. I don't listen to this kind of thing. I know you don't either.

01:05:50.680 this is not my idea of entertainment. I am playing this to show you who this woman is. 0.96

01:05:56.240 All right? Do not let your daughter listen to her. This person should not be a thought leader 1.00

01:06:02.200 in any way, shape, or form. She is part of the reason we have young women so confused 1.00

01:06:11.080 about how to behave, what's going to make them feel sexy, what's good for their ego, 1.00

01:06:17.960 their bodies, their minds, and their spirits. She is as guilty as they come when it comes to

01:06:25.980 corrupting the minds of these young women and leading them down the path to hell. 0.94

01:06:31.660 That is truly what she's guilty of. So again, please forgive me for the clip. It is incredibly

01:06:38.180 disgusting. But Alex Cooper, on her show not so long ago, it was 2019, had a little chat

01:06:47.780 with her then co-host about a night of group sex that her friend engaged in. This is her male 0.88

01:06:58.520 friend that she celebrated like it was Christmas morning. And it sounded very similar to what just

01:07:07.500 happened to Jane Doe. Very similar. Take a listen. Basically, Milf Hunter was DP-ing this girl with

01:07:17.020 his friend and if you guys again don't know what a dp is double penetration in the in the button in 0.98

01:07:23.800 well we don't be the mouth we don't i mean i think it really does have to be the butt and the 0.98

01:07:28.800 whatever or two in the v or two in the butt he's like all right i texted this girl and i said like 0.99

01:07:34.220 hey what are you doing tonight she's like fucking you he's like well if you want to come over 0.99

01:07:38.560 you need i want to know make sure you're down to have fun with me and in all caps josh and she was 1.00

01:07:48.620 like absolutely i'm on my way uh my i'm my mouth my jaw is jaw she's like here we go okay my holes 1.00

01:07:55.540 are ready this girl obviously knows what she's doing she gets down takes his dick out it's soft 1.00

01:08:00.820 and literally sucks it hard josh doesn't know when to come in because i don't think josh has 1.00

01:08:04.720 ever done this okay so milph hunter gets on his goddamn fucking phone and text him and goes take 1.00

01:08:12.220 out your dick and put it in her fucking pussy so his friend josh comes on over takes his pants off 1.00

01:08:18.960 and just starts railing this bitch from behind they're all they're fucking they're switching 1.00

01:08:22.900 positions and all of a sudden their phones are blowing up their buddy uh-huh is texting them 1.00

01:08:30.620 in all caps saying I'm ready I'm ready tag me in tag me in classic he is outside with his pants 0.99

01:08:40.400 down yeah jacking off to porn on his phone asking if she can take more he said at this point this 0.98

01:08:46.700 girl had been taking it for so long mascara was on the hardwood floor like this girl was 1.00

01:08:50.620 taking deep throats to the back of the fucking throat guzzling both men's cum and she literally 1.00

01:08:56.640 looks up at him with dick in her mouth and she was like yes so the fucking other roommate gets 1.00

01:09:02.060 in after male ex comes and he sits down and starts getting his dicks up she is a pig 1.00

01:09:09.860 this is a disgusting filthy pig and now she wants to lead a discussion about how we got here 1.00

01:09:21.120 We got here thanks to you and your filthy pig mouth. 1.00

01:09:24.160 That's how we got here. 1.00

01:09:25.880 You, unfortunately, became very influential and very rich off of that disgusting whore talk. 1.00

01:09:31.220 That's what you are to me. 1.00

01:09:32.660 That's what you sound like, in my opinion. 1.00

01:09:33.880 You're a complete fucking whore, prostitute. 1.00

01:09:36.540 Nobody with an ounce of class in their body would ever talk like that on a show listened to by young women. 1.00

01:09:44.180 Not to mention the 11-year-old you were perfectly comfortable with from the sound of it, 0.91

01:09:49.220 knowing she was out there. Oh, baby girl, don't listen. Oh, so fun. Keep it chummy.

01:09:55.700 That's her celebrating a night of debauchery that sounds nearly identical to what happened 1.00

01:10:03.180 to Jane Doe. Nearly identical. Only, you know, in this case, we have multiple texts from Jane 0.60

01:10:11.140 Doe after the fact reaffirming consent and how much she enjoyed it and that she loved at least

01:10:14.620 two of the participants and that sex and sexuality were changing and people were going to have to get

01:10:18.180 used to it. And people think I'm a slut. Unfortunately, it's true. He that we I don't 0.99

01:10:22.280 know that there was any of that in the other case. And yes, this Jane Doe did eventually 0.79

01:10:26.640 allege that it was not consensual. But there was a mountain is a mountain of evidence showing

01:10:33.580 otherwise, which you failed to discuss on your little show asking, how did we get here? How did

01:10:39.160 we get here? None of the exonerating information, only the condemnation of men, only the fake me

01:10:45.860 victimhood that you want your audience to think you feel that you're an empath to. Please spare

01:10:52.800 me. And it was not a one-off. Here's another one. 2020. Take a listen to Alex Cooper there.

01:11:01.560 SOT 29. I have a really random thought for you about threesomes. Oh yeah. And foursomes. Yeah.

01:11:10.900 this is so strange okay i have been in relationships before where i'm like i will 1.00

01:11:15.860 never have a threesome with you i will never have a foursome with you get the fuck out of my face 0.97

01:11:20.000 because i was just too much in the relationship too far down i'm at a weird place right now 1.00

01:11:24.900 and i've never in my life really thought about this i've had a threesome before

01:11:28.500 i've never had a foursome with this new guy he's so sexual and we've had conversations about like

01:11:35.540 it's the first real relationship that i've been so like sexually pushing the limits like he pushes

01:11:42.960 me to the limits and he's like would like i want to do everything with you because it makes me even

01:11:49.080 if we do shit that's wild like you like whatever it is i it makes us closer and he was like it

01:11:54.780 could be hot like if we're like out one night and we you go pick someone up and then like we bring 0.92

01:11:59.540 them back and i've been thinking about it it's early enough in the relationship that if it's

01:12:03.760 ever going to happen. It would have to be now. So you should do a threesome and you should do

01:12:10.580 it early in the relationship. Got it. And maybe not a foursome. And where did Jane Doe draw the

01:12:15.360 line that night? Anyone remember? She didn't want to do the foursome, but she was game for

01:12:21.540 the threesome. She explicitly, by her own words, said yes to that. And here's this. How did we get

01:12:27.540 here? How could we possibly be in this place? She's spent years promoting these exact choices

01:12:36.600 to a generation, your daughters. And at one point, I'm sure she'd love to get mine. Too bad.

01:12:45.040 This isn't the only time. Here's another one. This is from 2019 with her co-host, Sophia.

01:12:50.260 stop 31 i don't know if i'd rather like a megan fox situation or if i want like a real freak who's

01:12:58.440 like a sick i mean i think i don't know they're both listen i think if you're gonna try the

01:13:02.260 three smell go for both and see which is your cup of tea honestly just try them both out anyways 1.00

01:13:07.100 yeah go foursome that's what we're trying to say fuck a threesome it's all about the foursome these 0.98

01:13:12.340 days it's so fun so joyous to talk about our wonderful threesomes and foursomes such a good 0.99

01:13:19.080 time. And not just that, now she's graduated into, she wants to be the new Howard Stern,

01:13:24.660 you know, getting the big celebrity interviews, crossing over into legitimacy and hoping that we 1.00

01:13:29.800 will forget about her disgusting sex worker past. That's what she is to me. How is it different? 1.00

01:13:37.300 A sex worker gets paid to get men off. How is this different? She gets paid to talk dirty, 0.90

01:13:45.880 X-rated talk, which she knows exactly how that's going to be received by at least half the 1.00

01:13:50.640 population. So now she wants to be legitimate and interview Kamala Harris. By the way, 0.99

01:13:57.380 it was all about abortion and how we need to keep it accessible on demand to every woman who wants

01:14:02.940 it. And she manages to get the chain smokers in there of the band, the chain smokers, the two 0.99

01:14:09.720 guys, two lead guys. And take a listen to her exchange with them. This was just a couple years

01:14:15.740 ago, 2023, SOT30. How often do people propose threesomes with the two of you? And how often

01:14:21.760 have you accepted? Get out of my head. This is up to you to answer. I don't want to answer this

01:14:31.080 question. It's call or daddy. How often is it proposed? Not proposed a lot. Seldom. Yeah. Yeah.

01:14:36.620 but it's a lot of men for a man but it's happened

01:14:44.700 does it count if it's internationally

01:14:50.140 i'm so proud of you guys was it what did you look at each other differently that morning

01:14:59.140 the first time 0.87

01:15:00.080 all the times i think we were just like what the fuck just happened because like it wasn't like a 0.90

01:15:08.480 that we were never planned you know what i mean it was always like just like i don't know what 0.83

01:15:12.640 is happening right now but like i'm also just like i don't know where's that like it's weird

01:15:17.820 i'm not gonna lie i don't know like how like that's how three sentences happen though

01:15:21.020 in any way absolutely it's usually just like this just starts oh it's oh that okay i guess

01:15:26.980 we're doing that. I'm so proud of you, she said. So proud of you for your threesome. So the

01:15:35.460 chain smokers are disgusting pigs, too. Good to know. She's so proud of them. So proud. 1.00

01:15:42.460 That's who wants to lead the conversation on Jane Doe and how we got here without taking

01:15:48.100 one second to take some accountability for her irresponsible messaging to the women of America. 1.00

01:15:54.540 Shame on this woman. Shame on her. And here's the capper. Guess who's following Alex Cooper's 1.00

01:16:03.420 personal Instagram page? Yeah, you got it. Jane Doe. Jane Doe, who clearly was influenced by this

01:16:17.820 woman and her disgusting, boneheaded messaging about what would make a young woman feel sexy, 0.98

01:16:26.020 feel good, feel empowered. What would gain you the approval, the pride of Alex Cooper? 0.98

01:16:32.440 What kind of behavior is fun and celebratory and normal? That story, the first story that

01:16:40.160 we played, the only reason I played such a filthy thing on the Megyn Kelly show, which we have never

01:16:45.020 done something this disgusting before is because it matches up nearly identically with what 0.76

01:16:51.160 happened at Cornell University and Jane Doe, who follows Alex Cooper's personal Instagram. 1.00

01:17:00.540 Jane Doe got in trouble that night because of Jane Doe's own choices.

01:17:04.580 It's not Alex Cooper's fault, but she is influencing a generation of young women to

01:17:11.500 make terrible, terrible choices for themselves. To me, it has the same air as someone who's had

01:17:21.480 three abortions, who is the most pro-choice advocate you ever meet in your life.

01:17:28.180 And some of these women who are the most ardently pro-choice, truly, there should be a moniker

01:17:34.500 underneath their card name that reads, I feel terrible about myself and I want you to as well. 0.98

01:17:42.840 I've made terrible life choices and I'll feel better about them if more women make them. 0.95

01:17:48.300 I won't be such an outlier. That's what's going on here. That's clearly what's happening. 1.00

01:17:54.820 Obviously, this woman has made some very dark choices in her personal life.

01:17:58.700 and she, I think, would love to see others make the same choices and somehow feel validated by 1.00

01:18:05.140 that and somehow feel that instead of being just a disgusting whore, she's leading some sort of a 1.00

01:18:10.760 sexual revolution where it is totally fine to give up anal on the first date. We played you 1.00

01:18:16.220 that soundbite before. And not only that, but if you want to do it with four men or three

01:18:20.660 who are strangers and just keep picking them up one after the other, you go for it, girl.

01:18:27.900 I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm disgusted by this person. Cannot believe

01:18:36.040 that she has risen to such prominence in the national conversation. And shame on anyone

01:18:43.220 who goes on that show and helps promote her. Shame on you. And by the way, we'll be calling 0.99

01:18:49.800 you all out by name. The whole thing's a disaster. She's a disaster. Jane Doe is a disaster.

01:18:56.860 This case is a disaster.

01:18:58.520 The media coverage of it has been a disaster.

01:19:00.520 Thank God for TMZ, by the way,

01:19:02.360 which is one of the only ones reporting honestly on this,

01:19:04.460 unlike CBS New York and the New York Times,

01:19:06.660 which appear to be hiding portions of text messages

01:19:09.800 that say our bodies, our choice.

01:19:12.460 They didn't want us to know that,

01:19:13.480 that she herself, Jane Doe,

01:19:14.960 had referred to it as a gang bang,

01:19:16.680 not a gang rape in her text message and so on.

01:19:19.220 The whole thing is a disaster.

01:19:20.880 Please keep your eyes on True North.

01:19:22.720 Go to church, raise a godly family,

01:19:25.080 stay in touch with Jesus.

01:19:26.860 read the Bible, remind yourself that there is morality. There's right and there's wrong in this

01:19:31.640 world. There's a way of enjoying sex to the fullest, 10 out of 10 in a loving, caring

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01:19:41.940 here is something that is sent to us by the devil. I genuinely believe that. I, I, I believe

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01:19:54.020 I feel like St. Michael is here trying to protect us against the wickedness and snares of the

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01:20:13.180 absolutely disgusting about themselves. The truest thing that was written in all the Jane

01:20:17.920 Doe texts and exchanges of testimony that we've read was the bit where she said she'd been up

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01:21:00.560 in disgusting ways on that Snapchat exchange board. And that was that. Her own personal

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01:22:59.700 There's another young woman in trouble today 1.00

01:23:02.020 for very, very different reasons. 0.92

01:23:03.280 And her name is Selma Blair.

01:23:05.140 She of course is a famous actress

01:23:06.820 who has starred in quite a few movies. 0.99

01:23:09.080 you may know her best from her stint in Legally Blonde. If you're my age, it goes way back. She's

01:23:16.280 done a lot more than just that. Okay, she is 54 years old. She grew up in Michigan. Cruel

01:23:22.560 Intentions, 1999. That was the movie with Sarah Michelle Gellar that a lot of us know her from.

01:23:27.900 And Selma Blair's career has not been as, you know, robust in recent years as it was back then,

01:23:35.520 but people know who she is. And apparently she's had a long struggle with alcohol. The reporting

01:23:42.520 was that she started drinking when she was seven years old. She wrote a memoir called Mean Baby

01:23:52.060 back in 2022. She named it after the fact that her perpetual frown as a newborn was said to

01:23:59.500 make neighborhood kids scream when they saw her. She wrote that she was seven years old when she

01:24:03.960 started drinking. By college, she was downing spirits, self-medication for undiagnosed MS

01:24:09.840 symptoms, she claimed, and inner sadness too. After a breakup, she took a bottle of pills

01:24:15.140 followed by tequila. The efforts to resuscitate her were so intense that they broke her nose.

01:24:20.440 She claimed she had an abusive mother who liked to tell Blair the story of how she wasn't sure

01:24:26.080 she wanted Selma Blair. When in seventh grade, she told her mother she'd gotten her period.

01:24:30.740 her mother asked her weight, she claimed, and then informed her she must never gain another

01:24:34.820 pound. This is your weight, mother pronounces. This is your size. I have been wary of weight

01:24:40.500 gain ever since, wrote Blair. She also claimed to the New York Times in 2022 that when she was in

01:24:48.420 ninth grade in Michigan at a private school, she was, quote, ruined, groomed by a dean who abused

01:24:56.060 her. In the years ahead, she writes, she would be raped multiple times. She says that alcohol 0.56

01:25:02.280 made her unable to remember the details of many assaults. Quote, I left my body and other people

01:25:06.760 entered it. No prosecutions were ever brought. It does not appear she ever named these individuals

01:25:11.920 specifically. And there were some questions about whether this was a truthful account.

01:25:20.240 Now we find out that yesterday on a flight, two days ago, actually, I think the news just broke

01:25:24.700 yesterday. She was on a plane. It was a Delta airplane on its way from Los Angeles to JFK in

01:25:37.440 New York. And while in the air, she attempted to open the door leading out of the aircraft.

01:25:44.520 This led to an altercation in which she punched one flight attendant and bit another. If you

01:25:50.280 listen to the pilot calling down, seeking paramedics help when they land the plane.

01:25:55.020 He suggests he doesn't know whether the second victim is a second flight attendant or a passenger,

01:26:00.340 but in any event, it appears at least two people were hurt by Blair on the airplane.

01:26:06.820 The plane went on lockdown, sources said, adding that Blair was restrained in some way,

01:26:12.800 but was not duct taped. She did have a support animal with her, a dog. At the time of the

01:26:17.620 incident. Her lawyer met her at the hospital and took possession of the dog. This is not her first

01:26:23.620 rodeo causing chaos on a plane. In 2016, she was forced to apologize following a bizarre incident

01:26:32.480 that happened aboard a Delta flight where she allegedly mixed alcohol and medication before

01:26:36.660 she started crying and shouting about being abused on her flight home from Cancun. She was rushed to

01:26:43.460 a Los Angeles hospital after she reportedly mixed alcohol and pills on this flight home

01:26:48.540 and began to scream about a man physically abusing her. 0.81

01:26:51.560 Quote, he burns my private parts. 0.78

01:26:53.420 He won't let me eat or drink. 0.96

01:26:55.000 He beats me.

01:26:55.940 He's going to kill me, she shouted, breaking down in tears, according to fellow passengers.

01:27:01.100 Her statement after this was, I made a big mistake yesterday.

01:27:05.560 After a lovely trip with my son and his dad, I mixed alcohol with medication and that caused

01:27:10.860 me to black out and led me to say and do things that I deeply regret. I'm a flawed human being

01:27:15.500 who makes mistakes and I'm filled with shame over this incident. I'm truly very sorry. That was 2016.

01:27:20.720 Here we are 10 years later. And once again, she has an absolute meltdown on a plane where again,

01:27:29.860 she tries to open the door of the plane leading outside when they are flying in the air is stopped

01:27:36.020 and then assault the two flight attendants who tried to stop her. 1.00

01:27:40.420 They landed at LAX.

01:27:42.080 The pilot had called in advance, asking for police and paramedics.

01:27:45.960 And one of the passengers caught this audio, which they then sold, gave to TMZ.

01:27:51.900 You can hear it in part.

01:27:54.720 You will hear Selma Blair, we are told, according to TMZ,

01:27:58.240 screaming no and stop or being removed from this flight, SOT-35.

01:28:06.020 Obviously in distress.

01:28:26.500 Now we are told that when she got into the ambulance,

01:28:30.080 she assaulted one of the paramedics and a police officer.

01:28:33.900 or, let me correct myself, 1.00

01:28:38.680 one attendant who was trying to take care of her 1.00

01:28:42.600 and then later a nurse.

01:28:45.100 This is what the Daily Mail reported

01:28:47.660 that a request initially went out for medics

01:28:53.860 to meet the aircraft

01:28:54.580 because two crew members needed care.

01:28:57.040 They said there was a bloody nose

01:28:59.460 as well as some bite marks.

01:29:01.840 And they also said that the passenger

01:29:03.840 manager, meaning Selma Blair, may have bashed her head on the bulkhead. That allegation was

01:29:08.360 repeated later by her lawyer. Then they said after leaving the plane, Blair allegedly took

01:29:14.580 her leg out of a stretcher's straps and kicked at a port authority police officer's face. So not the

01:29:20.820 paramedic, but a police officer while she was in the stretcher at his face, neck, and chest,

01:29:26.300 according to the police complaint, as she was being transported in the ambulance from JFK

01:29:32.420 Airport's Terminal 4. According to the legal complaint, after Blair was taken to Jamaica

01:29:37.060 Hospital Medical Center, she kicked the chest of a registered nurse. Both the nurse and the police

01:29:43.360 officer reported being in pain after being attacked, prosecutors say, adding that the

01:29:47.920 officer had a swollen jaw. She later appeared in court. She was arraigned and she bailed out.

01:29:59.920 here's some video of her walking into the arraignment. There's no sound. She's wearing

01:30:06.220 a white t-shirt. She's got her sunglasses on, white sweatshirt. She's kind of limping.

01:30:14.760 Don't know if that's because of her MS. She was using a cane not long ago, a couple years ago,

01:30:20.560 but then she claimed that she was completely in remission with symptoms all resolved

01:30:24.220 thanks to stem cell treatments. So I don't know exactly what the limp is about here.

01:30:29.920 could be the MS has resumed, could be got injured in one of her many altercations that I just 0.96

01:30:35.960 outlined for you. Sorry, here is actually dispatch audio of the officials requesting

01:30:42.100 the medical personnel. I should have played that a minute ago. SOT 34.

01:30:45.280 We'd like to have some medical personnel at the gates for a couple of the FAs involved in the

01:30:51.720 passenger incident. They just need to get a couple of things looked at.

01:30:54.780 Okay. I will pass that along. Just get an estimated patient count for me, please. How

01:30:59.140 How many ambulances will need?

01:31:00.580 No ambulances, just some medical personnel available for two flight attendants at the gate should be fine for that.

01:31:06.420 I know you're busy, but just had a couple of questions for you for paperwork purposes.

01:31:11.220 The passenger, the abusive passenger, did that result in the two flight attendants that are requested paramedics?

01:31:19.560 A-Firm, from the info I've got, it sounds like there were two, yeah,

01:31:25.800 one flight attendant and one passenger that sustained some minor injuries,

01:31:30.200 a bloody nose as well as some bite marks as well.

01:31:33.480 So I don't think we need an ambulance or anything like that,

01:31:35.380 but we're just going to get some medical personnel at the gate to look at their injuries.

01:31:39.880 Okay, Delta 938 Heavy.

01:31:42.100 We do have paramedics approaching the gate right now,

01:31:45.920 and the law enforcement already at the gate.

01:31:47.980 And then one additional add-on, it sounds like the disruptive passenger also bashed her head on the bulkhead or something like that.

01:31:56.960 So we'll obviously have to get her potentially checked out as well as involved with law enforcement.

01:32:03.300 And there you have it.

01:32:04.540 That person who hit her head on the bulkhead was Selma Blair, according to her lawyers.

01:32:10.860 Now we find the following out.

01:32:14.440 this is not the first time that Selma Blair has bitten another person because she bit one of these

01:32:21.340 flight attendants, at least one. This is a thing with this woman. The New York Post reported a bit 1.00

01:32:28.380 about her memoir confessing to this. She blames her biting on her shyness. If she's overwhelmed

01:32:36.540 in public, she writes, quote, my system gets overwhelmed and instantaneously short circuits

01:32:41.880 In my life, social interactions have been cumbersome, especially for the victims.

01:32:48.160 Sienna Miller had an incident with her.

01:32:50.800 One night after her divorce, that's Selma Blair's divorce, in 2006, Blair writes that she was at the Chateau Marmont, that's in L.A., when she saw Sienna Miller and introduced herself.

01:33:01.440 quote, I couldn't begrudge her for any part. She was winning over me, Blair writes. So I grabbed

01:33:08.920 her arm and bit it playfully as if it were an apple. Even as I held her forearm in my mouth,

01:33:14.720 I was aghast at myself. I thought, what have I gotten myself into or her? This is horrible

01:33:19.820 behavior. Blair shares that Miller, quote, kind of screamed, oppa, as I do whenever someone breaks

01:33:26.300 a plate. You bit me, didn't you? You really did. But quote, she didn't shame me. For this in my

01:33:32.420 book, she will forever be the bell of the ball. Okay. Seth MacFarlane. Another incident. Blair

01:33:39.900 also remembers becoming friendly with Scarlett Johansson while working on the 2000 film In Good

01:33:45.080 Company. She was delighted when Johansson invited her to hang out with her and her pals in Las Vegas.

01:33:51.500 The first night, the group went out for sushi.

01:33:54.100 But Blair, who struggled with alcoholism for years, confesses that she, quote, wasn't good at social drinking.

01:34:00.020 Well, yeah, that's not a thing for alcoholics.

01:34:02.260 I did not realize how drunk one can get while seated at a table eating.

01:34:06.580 After dinner, they made their way to a club where Blair saw her friend, Seth Green, who introduced her to Family Guy creator Seth MacFarlane.

01:34:14.200 I was starstruck, she writes, quote, what do I do in public situations where I admire someone?

01:34:20.860 but feel as if I don't bring anything to the party?

01:34:24.140 Well, I think we all know the answer by this point.

01:34:26.680 Quote, I bit him on the hand.

01:34:29.080 Whoa, he yelled.

01:34:30.080 That really hurt.

01:34:31.400 It wasn't a disaster.

01:34:32.640 I didn't break skin, but I soon hated myself.

01:34:35.240 This is very bizarre behavior.

01:34:36.980 And like, I'm seeing a pattern here too

01:34:39.020 of constantly blaming it on alcohol

01:34:41.820 or mixing alcohol with pills.

01:34:43.340 I mean, sorry, after a certain point,

01:34:44.580 you just stopped being able to use that as your crutch.

01:34:47.260 Like one big incident and we would feel sorry for you

01:34:49.780 like we did in the 2016 thing,

01:34:51.840 but this is a pattern now

01:34:52.980 where you've hurt a lot of people.

01:34:55.040 None more so than Kate Moss.

01:34:58.280 She finally became friendly 0.99

01:34:59.640 with supermodel Kate Moss

01:35:00.840 and one night was hanging out with her

01:35:02.420 and other people in a London hotel suite

01:35:04.500 after a Marc Jacobs fashion show.

01:35:06.360 The two were having fun

01:35:07.420 taking Polaroids together

01:35:08.600 and that's when Blair decided 1.00

01:35:10.520 to bite Moss's finger, 1.00

01:35:12.420 prompting the model to laugh. 1.00

01:35:14.780 Quote, and because she laughed,

01:35:16.680 I did it again, Selma Blair writes. 0.98

01:35:18.980 The second time she did not laugh and exclaimed, that really fucking hurt. The Calvin Klein model 0.99

01:35:25.220 then punched Blair in the back and grabbed Blair's thumb and crunched right into it. 1.00

01:35:31.340 So she bit her in return. Aren't you so sorry you're not at these Hollywood parties?

01:35:36.600 Quote, this was the first time I had any inkling of how much I might hurt people when I bit them.

01:35:41.180 End quote. Blair confessed. Quote, immediately I transformed into a shamed nursery school kid.

01:35:48.080 Oh my gosh, I whispered.

01:35:49.500 I am so sorry.

01:35:51.520 This is a very strange person.

01:35:54.920 I don't know what's going on with the MS

01:35:56.900 or whether she's in full remission as she claimed

01:35:59.560 and she has no more symptoms or what's happening.

01:36:02.060 But I know a few people with MS

01:36:04.900 and it does not cause you to behave like this.

01:36:08.720 Alcoholism and pill addiction can.

01:36:12.340 Maybe severe anxiety.

01:36:14.220 They said she has a fear of flying.

01:36:16.620 Perhaps you have a fear of flying and you self-medicate when your dog's not getting it done as your emotional support animal with booze and pills on a flight.

01:36:26.320 That could explain this.

01:36:28.700 I don't think it has to do with MS, though I'm not a doctor.

01:36:32.940 But her lawyer is, of course, trying to come up with all sorts of excuses why this isn't really her, that this was some sort of a medical emergency.

01:36:44.360 he wants us to believe. And by that, I think he's making a reference to her MS. But I'm sorry,

01:36:52.180 I'm not sure that's going to fly. I think Selma Blair's had some issues for a long time,

01:36:58.140 as I just made clear. And I think these issues unaddressed are going to continue causing problems

01:37:04.380 for Selma Blair. She's now facing multiple charges. She was, let's see, in court, 0.99

01:37:11.860 she was ordered to keep her cuffs on. 1.00

01:37:13.560 They're afraid of her, given that behavior.

01:37:15.980 Judge Indira Khan set her bail at $20,000 cash,

01:37:18.880 $60,000 bond during the hearing.

01:37:23.080 Let's see.

01:37:23.920 She faces two to seven years behind bars 1.00

01:37:25.900 if she's convicted of two state-level assault charges.

01:37:29.780 This is with respect to the cop and the nurse.

01:37:31.640 There are other charges that are going to come her way

01:37:33.340 via the feds for the two flight attendants

01:37:36.460 whom she assaulted in the air.

01:37:39.080 That's being handled now by the FBI.

01:37:41.860 So the lawyer said this was not an intentional assault.

01:37:45.660 She missed several doses of a powerful medication that controls severe neurological symptoms.

01:37:52.020 She not only has MS, but they say she has Parkinson's symptoms or Parkinsonism,

01:37:59.540 which I'm not sure if they're making a distinction between that and the actual disease.

01:38:03.040 The lawyer said she boarded this flight after being on set and working extensive hours and

01:38:08.000 exhaustive hours in the days leading up to this flight.

01:38:10.260 Now, just stop it.

01:38:11.360 Stop that.

01:38:12.540 Stop it right now.

01:38:14.380 Everybody listening to me right now has boarded a flight after working extensive hours and being exhausted.

01:38:19.720 Many of us have done that countless times on a flight.

01:38:22.920 It does not cause you to assault flight attendants and try to open the door to the airplane while you're mid-flight.

01:38:29.060 Additionally, at one point during the flight, there was an incident where she actually fell and hit her head.

01:38:33.620 Well, it seems that there's a dispute about exactly how that happened.

01:38:37.840 There's a contention that she fell in the course of the altercation.

01:38:41.860 but he seems to be suggesting, oh, she fell, she hit her head, and this caused some sort of an

01:38:45.520 incident. I don't know what he's getting ready to argue, but we'll learn more about the facts

01:38:48.700 as time goes on. He says, these factors coupled with the altitude resulted in a state of severe

01:38:54.360 confusion and disorientation. So he's claiming that it was missing her powerful medication

01:38:59.720 and the altitude, and she had worked extensive hours and exhaustive hours, and she hit the head.

01:39:09.220 Like, I mean, they're, you know, too many excuses means no excuse, right?

01:39:15.140 Like, you know how it is.

01:39:17.280 Somebody's canceling on you.

01:39:18.440 They're like, I'm sick and my husband's sick and my kid is sick.

01:39:21.360 And also our house burned down and our car's in the shop.

01:39:24.140 You know, they're lying.

01:39:25.240 They just don't feel like doing the date, okay?

01:39:27.640 It's to be better off saying, I don't feel well, let's reschedule.

01:39:30.260 Too many excuses means no excuses.

01:39:33.700 He told the judge to consider Selma Blair's body of work and what she's done for people.

01:39:38.660 This is someone we should look up to, he said. She is the gold standard. And the judge, to her credit, said Ms. Blair should not get special treatment because she is a celebrity. You go, Judge Khan.

01:39:52.080 um so yeah i think they're going to take this very seriously and i do think she was probably

01:39:58.300 in the midst of some sort of mental health crisis that seems very clear and i really genuinely hope

01:40:03.880 selma blair finally gets the help that she clearly so desperately needs um okay we're gonna take a

01:40:14.980 break when we come back we're gonna bring on andy no now andy is somebody who has been right smack

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01:40:45.120 report on them fearlessly, courageously, and at great risk to himself. Well, he's going to be

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01:43:36.500 Independent journalist Andy Ngo is best known for his extensive reporting on Antifa and far-left

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01:43:58.460 The book is called The Zizians, Inside a Trans Death Cult.

01:44:02.960 It just came out today, and in it, Andy Ngo investigates a group he describes as a radical trans leftist vegan AI doomer cult

01:44:12.620 that has been linked to multiple deaths across the United States.

01:44:16.680 here's a look at the book's trailer the book has its own trailer what began as a small and obscure

01:44:23.560 california community became something else entirely a cult built around a transfigure

01:44:29.520 known as ziz around ziz a secretive network of transgender devotees emerged what they left 0.60

01:44:37.200 behind was a trail of violence linked to eight deaths including a border patrol agent and a key

01:44:43.860 murder trial witness over nearly a decade the group recruited followers from around the world

01:44:49.220 i tracked down sources interviewed witnesses uncovered hidden records and pieced together

01:44:55.240 an impossible story from fragments scattered across the world

01:44:59.960 andy joins me now andy so good to see you again so tell us who are the zizians

01:45:08.500 Well, let me provide a little context. So for those who are familiar with my reporting,

01:45:14.340 they know that for many years I've reported on Antifa and I've been subjected to their violence.

01:45:19.940 But in the last five years, I've taken a trajectory towards reporting on trans

01:45:25.700 violence. In 2020, during the BLM riots and Antifa riots after George Floyd died, 0.79

01:45:33.140 when I was gathering the data on those who were being arrested at the Portland riots,

01:45:37.700 for example, in Portland where I used to live, disproportionately up to 20% of the

01:45:44.180 arrestees on certain nights were trans-identifying in some way. And I would verify this through 0.98

01:45:50.660 looking up individually each person and getting their booking photos. So that was something

01:45:55.780 that I thought was very curious and weird because all other estimates out there, even on the higher

01:46:00.980 ends of what researchers think are the demographics of trans people in America it's about 0.5 percent

01:46:08.820 at the high end so why is it magnitudes higher in in left-wing violence and then I was beaten 0.91

01:46:17.060 severely in 2019 and also again in 2021 and nobody was held criminally liable for that but I pursued

01:46:26.020 justice through the civil court and of the individuals that i had sued half of them

01:46:32.340 ended up identifying as trans so personally it really it hit me in the face and what i

01:46:38.580 learned in the years following census that for news reporting involving homicide murder cases

01:46:45.460 and type of violence you cannot take the names of suspects at face value from um reporting agencies

01:46:54.500 or even law enforcement departments because all of them use names and sects of individuals that

01:47:02.900 are often inaccurate if it involves trans identifying individuals so last year on

01:47:08.980 inauguration day when a border patrol agent was ambushed and shot dead in vermont right by the

01:47:15.940 canadian border as soon as i found out the names of these suspects who were involved in that case

01:47:22.340 I dug further, and I found out, wait, there are trans links here, and not just trans link, but cult links, and I kept digging further and further, and eventually I learned about the Zizians, and I traveled to the various hiding spots across the U.S., interviewed people and witnesses and family members, and really uncovered their secrets, and the story has all the elements that you think media would be all over.

01:47:48.460 There's interstate murders, money, suicides, revenge, fake deaths, cover ups, all of that.

01:47:57.660 And yet it was barely touched on by the mainstream media. 0.75

01:48:01.560 And I think the kryptonite for them was the fact that almost all the members are trans identifying and trans ideology plays a huge component in their extremist beliefs.

01:48:13.960 mm-hmm yeah because the media loves a good cult story normally they'd be all over that like when 0.91

01:48:20.500 there was that nexium sex cult up in my one of my hometowns in albany new york where i spent my high

01:48:26.920 school years they were all over it they loved that story but this one not so much and look at

01:48:32.240 whatever say what you will about keith ranieri he wasn't murdering people um and yet in this cult

01:48:37.820 we've gone that far, according to you. But the leader of the cult, I mean, we can get to this,

01:48:48.080 but he's not in custody. He's not facing charges of murder. It appears he's just gotten a massive

01:48:56.100 pass from the feds on some of his behavior. So the image that is shown is a booking photo

01:49:02.940 of Jack Amadeus Lesotho, who identifies as female and uses the alias Ziz, hence his followers are

01:49:10.600 known as the Zizians. He is currently in federal custody in Philadelphia, however recently his

01:49:17.560 felony Maryland state case was suspended for reasons that were unknown, and one of the other

01:49:23.600 Zizians, one of the alleged Koch conspirators in that case, was let go completely. I think what,

01:49:31.380 But at the end of the day, Ziz has not been charged with any conspiracy charges or murder or even attempted murder. 0.95

01:49:42.660 The Zizians, what makes them really different from many other cults is that many of the members you can describe essentially as geniuses. 0.66

01:49:51.560 They have degrees in STEM backgrounds, engineering, bioinformatics, space research, quantum trading.

01:50:01.540 Some of them were making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

01:50:04.940 Some of them had interned at NASA, for example.

01:50:08.820 Ziz, Jack Lasota, had interned for NASA researching at one point solar expulsions from the sun.

01:50:17.240 And their educational background for many of them is quite elite.

01:50:20.940 University of Oxford, UC Berkeley, UCLA, University of Illinois, Urbana, Champaign, graduate degrees.

01:50:31.000 So what I uncovered is that they are very, very good at covering their tracks

01:50:38.180 and escaping accountability, faking their deaths.

01:50:41.600 Jack Lasota himself had faked his death numerous times.

01:50:45.140 At the same time, particularly when they were in California,

01:50:47.480 They have their origins in Silicon Valley as part of the rationalist and effective altruism movement, which we're hearing a lot now from those who are warning about the existential risk of AI.

01:51:00.860 They were able to exploit the sensibilities in the courts regarding transgenderism.

01:51:06.840 So they, over the years, in past arrests related to ongoing cases to attempted murder and murder, they made a number of accusations and various frivolous motion filings in the courts about how their rights were violated by transphobic law enforcement, transphobic judges.

01:51:24.800 And the courts in the Bay Area gave them time and listened to their grievances.

01:51:31.120 And meanwhile, in one of the attempted murder-and-murder cases, the one key witness was aging, Curtis Lint.

01:51:39.820 And then he eventually was assassinated in 2025, last year, in a very brutal knife attack in Vallejo, California.

01:51:50.700 Do we know by whom?

01:51:52.140 The person who has been arrested for that is a Zizian member and at one point had applied for a marriage license with one of the other Zizian members who is facing a murder charge in Vermont. 0.96

01:52:08.220 Oh, my God. OK. All right. So let's stop one second here because I'm sure people are confused at this point. 0.86

01:52:12.900 So we know that there's like the main guy who's at the heart of the Zizian alleged cult, and his name is Jack Lasota, and he's the leader.

01:52:23.700 He's been arrested several times.

01:52:25.340 He said he faked his death, and he was eventually caught in Maryland, but those Maryland state charges were dropped, but he's still having to deal with the feds.

01:52:32.120 So he's in custody right now on some federal charges.

01:52:35.360 And he's sort of the leader of this cult, which I'd love to know why veganism is a part.

01:52:41.600 Like, they got a lot of things here, Andy.

01:52:43.480 We got trans, we got veganism, we've got violence. 1.00

01:52:48.600 Like, there's a lot they stand for. 1.00

01:52:50.100 So what is he selling?

01:52:52.600 You know, because in any cult, there's a cult leader who's generally very charismatic and he's selling something to the participants.

01:52:58.920 So we're hearing a lot now about AI risk from effective altruists.

01:53:04.700 A number of them who worked at OpenAI and Anthropic have come out to talk about how AI will destroy the world.

01:53:10.880 But this debate has been going on in Silicon Valley for a decade.

01:53:15.120 And Ziz and the other Zizians many years ago have moved to the Bay Area to get involved with the groups that hold these types of debates

01:53:21.780 and come up with ways that they think of mitigating those risks and saving the world.

01:53:28.940 So in that type of environment, Ziz then developed some of his own ideas.

01:53:33.440 For one, he believed that the mainstream rationalists in EA communities weren't doing enough, that Ziz himself actually could perhaps form a vanguard of those who would go on to, quote unquote, save the world.

01:53:47.660 And those who would make up that vanguard in his worldview would likely involve trans women.

01:53:52.260 He had a belief that trans women, and by that I'm referring to males who identify as female, he believed they possessed certain cognitive abilities, special cognitive abilities that made them unique and special.

01:54:05.820 So as part of his ideology, once he was recruiting people, they developed certain beliefs about how they could conduct human experimentations involving sleep deprivation.

01:54:17.000 And they believed that the two cores of the brain, the right and left hemisphere, correspond to actually different identities, one potentially being evil, one good, and therefore you have to separate the two hemispheres.

01:54:31.200 So they conducted a number of experiments on one another that caused psychoses in their members, and that ended up with several of them committing suicide.

01:54:42.400 And that's been part of the story of the Zizians that hasn't been discussed as much in comparison to the murders. 0.70

01:54:48.260 How many Zizians are there? How many people in this cult?

01:54:52.420 So I've been able to identify around a dozen of them.

01:54:56.720 However, like with many cults and extremist groups, there are other concentric circles.

01:55:02.340 And outside of that, there are many associates who identify by name, their real names in this book,

01:55:08.740 who have not been charged with any crimes but nevertheless have served very important roles

01:55:14.560 in the group. What is the what describe why they keep crossing the wires of law enforcement because

01:55:23.620 you listed a couple of the alleged crimes that some of them have committed but like

01:55:27.920 what is it they're doing you know like a lot of these cults they do weird things behind closed

01:55:32.380 doors but they don't bother anybody what are why are these guys continuously in the crosshairs of

01:55:37.220 law enforcement? So law enforcement started paying attention to them back in 2019, when the Zizians 1.00

01:55:42.680 held a direct action against a gathering of rationalists in Sonoma County, California. 0.99

01:55:49.940 In 2019, on that day, they donned Guy Fawkes masks and wore black robes and came in costumes

01:56:00.060 and blocked off the exits and entrances to this park and created what law enforcement said was

01:56:06.320 a hostage situation. Now, this was a park where there were other children and families there. So

01:56:10.920 dozens of people thought that there was an active shooter situation. So that was when they first

01:56:15.840 were charged with felony charges. And as that case had dragged on, and then with the pandemic

01:56:22.320 and their various tactics to waste time in the court, also with the civil claim that they filed

01:56:28.640 alleging transphobic abuse, eventually that was, then Ziz faked his death. Another person faked

01:56:34.520 the suicide and he disappeared and when this was seen by law enforcement again it was during the

01:56:43.120 attempted murder of their landlord curtis lynn he was stabbed dozens of times with swords and this

01:56:50.780 is from his testimony he had his eye so crazy out in the attack sorry that i'm being violent

01:56:56.740 and he was impaled with a sword he had a firearm for self-defense he shot one of the zizines dead

01:57:02.340 he miraculously survived that this by the way was seen um at that area once police responded to the

01:57:11.720 attack and um when he was taken to the police department to be questioned he wasn't placed

01:57:19.140 under arrest and all this did was pretend to be unconscious law enforcement thought it was a

01:57:25.200 medical emergency they took him to hospital nobody kept an eye on him and he disappeared

01:57:29.660 And the next time he emerged was in the Philadelphia area with other Zizians, and he was a person of interest in a double homicide case there where the parents of one of the Zizian members were shot dead. 0.71

01:57:43.840 I certainly feel better about the fact that he is in federal custody. 0.96

01:57:46.200 I was confused when I read that the Maryland authorities had let him go, but that's good to hear that he's not free and roaming anymore.

01:57:52.580 What do you think, Annie, is it?

01:57:53.820 Because, you know, we've heard a lot about trans-TIFA outside of this group, which I never heard of before. 0.51

01:57:59.300 But it does seem like there is a if it's not a growing cultism around transgenderism, there's definitely growing violence.

01:58:09.420 I mean, the number of school shootings we've seen that have been committed by someone identifying as trans, it does seem to be on the on the upsweep.

01:58:18.560 And yet the thing you're talking about is another pattern of the media downplaying or not reporting at all on the trans ideology of the perpetrators.

01:58:30.640 I mean, are you noticing the same trends?

01:58:33.360 So it's important, obviously, to caveat that not all trans people are violent or extreme.

01:58:38.500 However, even though the Zizians are a very fringe example of what happens at the tail end of this ideology, 0.90

01:58:45.500 they do fit into a larger pattern of surging transviolence. 0.68

01:58:50.500 In the book, I document the number of attacks that have happened, mass shootings, atrocities,

01:58:55.500 parasites, that is the killing of one's parents, the killing of other people through accusations of transphobia

01:59:01.500 or other mental health comorbidities.

01:59:04.500 morbidities, and you see that there's a surging, rising violence that's not being discussed.

01:59:10.720 In fact, we're being gas lit on it.

01:59:12.700 I'm speaking to you now, just as last week there was an American man in Washington State,

01:59:19.800 a trans person, who was federally charged for allegedly helping the trans mass shooter

01:59:26.060 that carried out the February slaughter of women and children in Tumblr Ridge, Canada.

01:59:31.180 And that's just one example of many, many, many, you know, people remember the Nashville Christian School shooting.

01:59:37.540 There was a Minneapolis shooting on children at the mass.

01:59:42.180 There was the shooting by Robert Dorgan.

01:59:47.260 There's so many of them that, and the thing is, if you just rely on media reporting, oftentimes they will just report the suspects, killers, and convicts as women who carry out these attacks.

01:59:59.140 So for my book, it was very important that every individual has their legal birth name reported and the biological sex, and there is no ambiguity about it. 0.75

02:00:11.180 Because the only way that the truth about the Zizians can be told is if we know the true identities of who these individuals are. 0.55

02:00:19.100 What about, do you know anything about the trans people who are messaging in advance of Charlie Kirk's assassination? 0.99

02:00:29.820 Have you looked into that at all, Andy?

02:00:31.540 I have looked into that.

02:00:33.400 I know that was a, people have brought a lot of attention to that.

02:00:37.220 When I looked deeper into some of those accounts that before his assassination were posting things,

02:00:43.720 you'll see that on some of them, there was a pattern of them making similar statements about

02:00:48.600 other days. And I believe that unfortunately, this may have just ended up being a sick coincidence

02:00:54.240 where certain threats or certain things that they were referencing ended up being true.

02:01:00.700 Wow. Wow. I mean, that's more of an explanation than we've gotten from anybody else

02:01:05.600 on why we've seen no charges against any of those people who was posting.

02:01:11.380 Listen, I love your reporting. You are one of the bravest reporters we have. The book is called The Zizians, Z-I-Z-I-A-N-S, Inside a Trans Death Cult. And Andy can only do his great work with our support. It's out today. Buy it, support Andy, and you will find this quite an eye-opener. Thank you so much for coming on and for all the great work you do.

02:01:33.540 My pleasure. Thank you.

02:01:35.400 Andy Ngo, everybody. 0.95

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02:01:42.740 Tomorrow, we are back with our pals from Real Clear Politics, and there's plenty to discuss with them. 1.00

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 13, 2026

The Ilhan Omar Raid Mystery, Alex Cooper's Past Exposed, Selma Blair's Plane Meltdown, and Andy Ngo on Disturbing ＂Trans＂ Cult ｜ Ep. 1417

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