The Megyn Kelly Show - The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, and His Marriage ｜ Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Interview, Part 2

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00:00:31.140 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.140 Today, part two of our interview with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:00:50.720 If you did not catch part one, we tackled a lot of topics including

00:00:54.660 his stance on childhood vaccines and his theory on why Dr. Anthony Fauci

00:00:59.400 is so focused on everyone getting the COVID shot.

00:01:03.760 And while that was a genuinely compelling exchange,

00:01:06.780 part two is probably my favorite because Robert is an incredibly interesting person.

00:01:13.000 We never see him profiled or interviewed really about his family and history

00:01:16.920 because he's been deemed too controversial to talk to by our so-called media betters.

00:01:22.460 What a shame, because he is fascinating.

00:01:27.000 Today, we get personal about what it was like growing up Kennedy.

00:01:31.560 Robert is the third of 11 children born to Robert F. Kennedy and his wife, Ethel.

00:01:37.380 His father served as our nation's 64th Attorney General

00:01:40.300 and was the brother of our 35th President, John F. Kennedy,

00:01:44.140 as well as the late U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy.

00:01:46.680 Given the amount of star power in his orbit, Robert's childhood stories are sensational,

00:01:53.140 like his memories of being with his uncle, President Kennedy, in the Oval Office.

00:01:58.120 While being the president is clearly a stressful job, Robert says JFK always made time for him.

00:02:04.480 He once had an Oval Office meeting with him to tell his uncle about his new pet, Salamander.

00:02:10.200 Robert was only nine when President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, and he remembers it.

00:02:17.900 Just five years later, in 1968, his own father would be killed when Robert was just 14.

00:02:24.940 In this interview, what he remembers most from those awful tragedies

00:02:28.140 and his very strong opinion on who he thinks committed the murders,

00:02:33.160 which you may find surprising, I did.

00:02:35.580 Robert is now 68 years old, the father of six children and one stepchild.

00:02:41.220 In 2014, he married actress Cheryl Hines, star of Curb Your Enthusiasm with Larry David.

00:02:47.580 And that is where we pick up today's conversation,

00:02:50.260 the toll his controversies have taken on her

00:02:53.000 and what it's like to be one of the most censored men in America.

00:02:59.100 What do you think about the censorship you've endured?

00:03:01.240 Well, that, I mean, to me, Megan, that's the most disturbing feature of this,

00:03:08.220 you know, this kind of bewildering response to COVID that we've seen.

00:03:15.360 I, you know, first of all, I want to say this,

00:03:17.680 that I'm accused of promoting vaccine misinformation,

00:03:21.720 but nobody, not Instagram, not the White House,

00:03:24.920 not anybody else has actually identified a statement that I've made that is incorrect.

00:03:32.700 There were no statements on Instagram.

00:03:35.000 I didn't even say that, you know, the virus came from Wuhan.

00:03:39.260 I just said it should be investigated because it would be weird

00:03:42.520 if the guy who was financing those experiments

00:03:46.520 and may have created the virus is now running the pandemic response.

00:03:51.260 And so these questions should be asked.

00:03:53.340 I didn't say it would happen because I couldn't at that point.

00:03:56.680 I have not made any inaccurate statements as far as I know.

00:04:01.340 If I did make one and it was identified,

00:04:03.700 I would immediately apologize in which part.

00:04:08.580 Instagram and Facebook acknowledges

00:04:10.900 that it uses the term vaccine misinformation as a euphemism

00:04:16.000 for any statement or assertion that departs from government proclamations,

00:04:22.640 whether they're factually true or not.

00:04:24.820 So my crime was criticizing government policies.

00:04:30.100 I'm not, it was not passing actual misinformation.

00:04:35.620 And that's a problem for our government.

00:04:37.840 You know, Adams and Madison and Jefferson said,

00:04:40.380 we put freedom of speech in the First Amendment

00:04:43.640 because all of the other rights are dependent on that right.

00:04:49.260 And if a government can silence criticism,

00:04:55.220 it has a license to commit any atrocity.

00:04:57.980 And that's why it's like, you know, when I was young,

00:05:01.980 I supported the ACLU and others who were supporting the right of Nazis

00:05:07.900 to march in Skokie, Illinois.

00:05:11.160 Not because I, you know, I was repulsed by their ideology

00:05:17.240 and by their statements and horrified by them.

00:05:20.740 But, you know, at the same time,

00:05:22.480 we need to be able to be willing to die

00:05:25.540 to protect their right to say those things.

00:05:29.260 And that's, you know, what they understood

00:05:31.100 our ancestors in the American Revolution.

00:05:34.560 And that's what generations of writers,

00:05:37.980 of politicians, of respected leaders

00:05:41.680 have warned against any government

00:05:44.980 that tries to limit speech.

00:05:46.820 And now it's very strange we're living in this world

00:05:50.700 where it's become, you know, it's become okay.

00:05:54.660 In my political party, I saw a Gallup poll recently.

00:05:58.920 It was either Gallup or Rasmussen

00:06:00.680 that said that something like 70% of Democrats

00:06:04.880 support government restricting the speech.

00:06:11.440 And, you know, it's almost inexplicable to me

00:06:16.180 that we could be in that place right now.

00:06:19.620 I believe my political party was the party

00:06:23.620 that would go to the mat to, you know,

00:06:26.780 to protect people's right to say what they want.

00:06:29.640 And that's so critical for our democracy.

00:06:31.840 And, you know, it also is critical of public health.

00:06:35.880 Listen, I may be wrong about the things

00:06:38.140 that I talk about, but, you know,

00:06:41.280 why can't we debate them?

00:06:42.740 Why can't we hear these discussions

00:06:44.720 about masks?

00:06:47.200 Okay.

00:06:47.380 You know, I've sued agencies for 40 years

00:06:52.040 are failing to go through a regulatory process

00:06:55.080 that to have an environmental impact statement

00:06:57.140 where it explains where,

00:06:58.840 which has to explain the scientific basis

00:07:01.560 for new regulations or actions,

00:07:04.940 show the studies,

00:07:06.900 and then do a cost-benefit analysis.

00:07:09.900 None of that happened.

00:07:11.380 It was, you know, we just suspended democracy.

00:07:14.320 We suspended due process.

00:07:15.780 And once they got rid of freedom of speech,

00:07:20.940 they went after all the other,

00:07:22.220 they closed a million churches,

00:07:25.120 all the churches in this country for a year

00:07:27.160 with no public hearing,

00:07:29.900 no discussion of the science,

00:07:31.380 no offering of, you know,

00:07:32.800 a single sign of anxiety to justify it.

00:07:36.660 They shut down a million businesses

00:07:39.080 with no justice to compensate,

00:07:41.280 no due process, no justice to compensation,

00:07:43.140 a direct violation of our Constitution.

00:07:45.780 They got rid of Seventh Amendment jury trials

00:07:48.700 against any company that says

00:07:51.320 that they're involved in providing

00:07:52.720 a countermeasure.

00:07:53.680 If there's a vaccine company

00:07:54.880 and you get injured,

00:07:56.400 you have no rights to compensation,

00:07:58.340 no matter how grievous your injury,

00:08:01.160 no matter how reckless their conduct,

00:08:02.860 no matter how negligent their conduct,

00:08:04.480 you cannot sue that company.

00:08:06.760 And then, you know,

00:08:07.780 they got rid of the prohibitions

00:08:10.800 against warrantless searches and seizures

00:08:13.920 with all this track and trace surveillance

00:08:16.360 that we now have to give

00:08:17.340 our private information

00:08:18.500 and our private medical records

00:08:20.420 to people to get into a bar

00:08:21.960 or to get on an airplane or whatever.

00:08:25.580 And, you know,

00:08:26.280 there is no pandemic exception

00:08:28.700 in the U.S. Constitution.

00:08:31.000 And by the way,

00:08:32.160 it's not because they didn't know

00:08:33.800 about pandemics,

00:08:34.680 because there was a smallpox epidemic

00:08:37.200 during the revolution

00:08:39.380 that paralyzed Washington's Army of New England

00:08:43.900 for a couple of months.

00:08:46.400 And there was another malaria epidemic

00:08:48.840 that happened to the Army of Virginia.

00:08:51.120 So they knew very well

00:08:52.620 what epidemics could do.

00:08:53.940 And yet they did not say

00:08:55.500 that this document is suspended.

00:08:58.100 These rights are suspended

00:08:59.540 whenever there is an epidemic.

00:09:00.940 And, you know,

00:09:03.520 the disturbing part of this response

00:09:07.080 was that it did not seem

00:09:09.380 to be a public health response at all.

00:09:11.720 It was a militarized

00:09:13.300 and monetized response.

00:09:15.140 We did things the opposite

00:09:17.280 of what you would do

00:09:18.340 if you wanted to stop a pandemic.

00:09:21.300 And ask yourself,

00:09:24.200 and I, you know,

00:09:24.940 I would ask any of my fellow Democrats

00:09:26.880 who are supporting Tony Fauci,

00:09:28.440 his record is the worst record

00:09:33.900 of any record

00:09:34.980 of any country in the world,

00:09:36.360 arguably.

00:09:37.840 We had 4.2% of the global population

00:09:40.840 here in the United States.

00:09:42.160 And I think we had something

00:09:43.460 like 17 or 18%

00:09:45.340 of the global COVID deaths.

00:09:49.400 The death rate in America

00:09:51.960 was in the top 10 in the world.

00:09:53.840 So we had 2,800 people

00:09:57.220 per million population die.

00:10:00.320 The African nations

00:10:02.260 had an average of about 200.

00:10:05.600 So Nigeria had 15 people

00:10:08.560 per million population.

00:10:10.740 These countries,

00:10:11.540 which Tony Fauci and Bill Gates

00:10:13.520 at the beginning of the pandemic

00:10:14.780 said Africa is going to get wiped out.

00:10:17.360 We need to get them all vaccines.

00:10:18.760 Nigeria has a vaccination rate

00:10:23.540 of 1.5 for one vaccine,

00:10:26.120 1.5%.

00:10:27.220 Wow.

00:10:28.360 And they had a COVID death rate

00:10:31.420 that was about 1,500th

00:10:33.780 of our COVID death rate.

00:10:35.980 Wow.

00:10:36.780 You know, there's reasons,

00:10:38.880 Megan,

00:10:39.460 for there's reasons

00:10:41.200 for that that are non-medical.

00:10:42.640 One is that African countries

00:10:44.240 have younger populations

00:10:45.600 and COVID was a disease

00:10:48.860 that killed elderly people.

00:10:50.080 But that doesn't explain

00:10:51.320 it anywhere near

00:10:52.580 these huge disproportions.

00:10:57.180 One of the things

00:10:58.200 that could explain it

00:10:59.200 is that Nigeria

00:11:01.000 has the highest

00:11:02.520 malaria burden in the world.

00:11:05.820 Oh, 27% of malaria cases

00:11:07.900 could probably come

00:11:08.920 from that country.

00:11:10.680 Oh, everybody in the country

00:11:11.820 is on hydroxychloroquine.

00:11:13.220 It also has

00:11:15.240 the highest burden

00:11:16.040 of river blindness.

00:11:17.600 A large part of the population

00:11:19.060 is on ivermectin.

00:11:21.300 Is that what explains

00:11:23.040 the, you know,

00:11:24.480 this incredible record

00:11:26.040 against COVID?

00:11:27.340 Well, we don't know.

00:11:29.080 But shouldn't we be

00:11:30.220 asking that question?

00:11:31.920 Isn't that the first thing

00:11:33.380 Tony Fauci should be doing

00:11:34.780 is saying,

00:11:35.580 why is there this huge delta

00:11:37.460 between COVID death rates

00:11:40.240 in all these different countries

00:11:41.620 and the countries

00:11:42.820 that did worse

00:11:43.740 are the ones

00:11:44.500 that focus on the vaccines?

00:11:45.940 And the fact

00:11:48.320 it's not just Fauci

00:11:49.180 as you as you well know,

00:11:50.360 big tech has been

00:11:51.360 completely supportive

00:11:52.180 of this shutdown.

00:11:53.200 You can't even just hearing

00:11:55.080 you talk about hydroxychloroquine

00:11:56.780 and ivermectin

00:11:57.620 sends just a little piece

00:11:59.340 of my spine up like,

00:12:00.700 oh, Lord,

00:12:01.360 this is, you know,

00:12:02.120 YouTube,

00:12:02.860 this is where they're going

00:12:03.600 to jump in and try

00:12:04.260 to censor us.

00:12:05.180 Nothing should be censored here.

00:12:06.340 This is a discussion

00:12:07.000 about whether they work.

00:12:08.140 Should we have discussions

00:12:09.080 about more discussions

00:12:10.100 about that fact?

00:12:12.540 But that's that's

00:12:13.920 what they've done to us

00:12:14.620 because they'll take away

00:12:15.820 your platform.

00:12:16.300 As you well know,

00:12:17.140 you can't even talk about it.

00:12:18.620 They've jumped in

00:12:19.320 on the silencing

00:12:20.780 of discussion

00:12:21.720 and they're the ones

00:12:22.440 who control

00:12:22.860 the public information highway.

00:12:24.940 So it's really damaging.

00:12:26.900 I I'm in news

00:12:28.340 and to this day,

00:12:29.620 I don't know

00:12:30.460 what the truth is

00:12:31.420 on ivermectin

00:12:32.620 and hydroxychloroquine.

00:12:34.060 And even talking about it

00:12:35.640 makes even me feel like

00:12:37.180 it's it's insane.

00:12:39.480 It's un-American.

00:12:42.300 That's right.

00:12:43.300 And, you know,

00:12:44.120 I would I completely

00:12:46.740 not.

00:12:47.200 I can be wrong

00:12:48.100 about anything.

00:12:49.520 Let's have the debate.

00:12:50.880 Let's have the discussion.

00:12:52.380 You know that

00:12:52.980 our democracy

00:12:54.200 is based

00:12:54.900 on the free flow

00:12:55.960 of information

00:12:56.800 with good

00:12:59.340 notions

00:13:00.920 and good ideas

00:13:01.860 and good arguments

00:13:02.500 triumphing

00:13:03.260 in the marketplace

00:13:03.900 of ideas

00:13:04.700 and none of that stuff

00:13:05.760 is happening.

00:13:06.320 And as you point out,

00:13:07.980 you know,

00:13:08.220 we need to ask ourselves

00:13:09.580 qui bono

00:13:10.640 who is benefiting

00:13:11.700 from this?

00:13:12.440 Clearly,

00:13:12.800 the pharmaceutical companies

00:13:14.000 and also the big tech

00:13:16.420 platforms are.

00:13:17.640 And they,

00:13:18.340 you know,

00:13:18.920 there has been

00:13:19.800 this has been a war

00:13:20.800 against the poor.

00:13:21.980 If you look at

00:13:23.220 a black

00:13:24.060 black neighborhoods,

00:13:25.920 Compton,

00:13:26.780 Harlem,

00:13:28.380 had two or three times

00:13:29.660 the death rate

00:13:30.280 at Bel Air

00:13:30.960 or Greenwich.

00:13:32.940 And,

00:13:33.160 you know,

00:13:33.780 you have the

00:13:34.880 schools closed

00:13:36.340 in those neighborhoods.

00:13:37.180 According to the

00:13:37.860 Brown University study,

00:13:39.340 children lost

00:13:39.980 22 IQ points

00:13:41.640 during young children

00:13:42.920 during the pandemic.

00:13:46.060 And,

00:13:46.180 you know,

00:13:46.900 and the mental illness

00:13:48.300 went off the roof.

00:13:49.500 I think 51%

00:13:50.580 of black children

00:13:51.540 had suicidal ideation

00:13:53.440 you had the police

00:13:55.380 go into those neighborhoods

00:13:56.500 and close down

00:13:58.060 the,

00:13:58.500 you know,

00:13:59.620 the basketball courts.

00:14:01.660 Yeah.

00:14:02.060 And,

00:14:02.640 and who benefited

00:14:04.000 from all of this?

00:14:05.000 It was the,

00:14:05.920 they,

00:14:06.420 you know,

00:14:06.560 the internet platforms.

00:14:08.160 It was Jeff Zuckerberg,

00:14:09.400 Bill Gates,

00:14:10.880 Sergei Brand,

00:14:13.840 Larry Ellison,

00:14:15.720 Jeff Bezos,

00:14:16.860 et cetera.

00:14:17.640 These,

00:14:18.300 there's been,

00:14:18.900 there was a transfer

00:14:20.020 of wealth,

00:14:20.620 the biggest in history,

00:14:21.800 arguably.

00:14:22.280 3.8 trillion dollars

00:14:25.680 from the global poor

00:14:27.400 and from working people

00:14:30.320 to this new class

00:14:32.520 of all of our billionaires.

00:14:34.780 And the same people

00:14:36.360 who were benefiting

00:14:37.400 were the ones

00:14:38.480 who now control

00:14:39.460 our communications

00:14:40.380 of Facebook

00:14:41.240 and all these platforms.

00:14:43.500 And they were using

00:14:45.100 their control

00:14:46.020 to suppress

00:14:48.540 and to censor

00:14:49.800 any criticism

00:14:51.260 of the government

00:14:52.320 lockdowns

00:14:53.040 that were making

00:14:53.700 them even richer.

00:14:55.100 And there's something

00:14:56.180 really wrong with that.

00:14:57.360 And the government

00:14:58.080 was allied with them

00:15:00.400 and telling them

00:15:01.300 what to censor

00:15:02.100 and whatnot.

00:15:03.660 We have correspondence

00:15:05.420 between Zuckerberg

00:15:06.980 and Tony Fauci

00:15:07.940 telling him about

00:15:10.200 censoring people

00:15:11.140 like me.

00:15:11.780 Oh, it's not,

00:15:13.780 you know,

00:15:14.180 and I,

00:15:14.900 again,

00:15:15.280 I,

00:15:15.900 there's nothing

00:15:16.420 I'd like more

00:15:17.080 than to debate

00:15:17.700 Tony Fauci

00:15:18.420 or any of these people.

00:15:19.840 Oh, I'd buy a ticket

00:15:20.880 to that.

00:15:21.880 What?

00:15:22.720 I would buy

00:15:23.380 a ticket to that.

00:15:27.720 Listen,

00:15:28.340 I,

00:15:28.660 it's not just suppression.

00:15:29.760 That's what's scary.

00:15:30.560 It's also demonization,

00:15:32.380 ostracization.

00:15:33.600 It's smearing,

00:15:35.240 right?

00:15:35.560 And we've seen

00:15:36.060 in the Fauci papers

00:15:37.160 that have been collected

00:15:38.400 by places like the Intercept,

00:15:39.780 that's his MO.

00:15:40.960 That's,

00:15:41.460 they intentionally

00:15:42.040 smeared several scientists

00:15:44.120 and so on

00:15:44.660 who weren't following

00:15:45.460 the Fauci line.

00:15:46.660 They've definitely smeared you

00:15:47.860 and some of the doctors

00:15:48.660 that you just mentioned

00:15:49.640 and tried to create this,

00:15:51.760 you know,

00:15:51.940 they're freaks.

00:15:52.580 They're,

00:15:52.780 they're disinformationists.

00:15:54.400 You know,

00:15:54.720 that's,

00:15:55.120 that's by design.

00:15:56.120 They don't want people

00:15:56.800 listening to you.

00:15:57.820 And I,

00:15:58.520 I,

00:15:59.140 I wonder,

00:16:00.360 I was thinking about it

00:16:01.720 because,

00:16:02.120 you know,

00:16:02.640 the,

00:16:03.000 the freedom rally

00:16:04.200 that you went to

00:16:04.920 that was,

00:16:05.300 anti-mandate

00:16:06.180 and I've anti-mandate too.

00:16:08.460 I am pro-vaccine

00:16:09.620 for the,

00:16:10.160 for the record.

00:16:10.860 You probably gathered that.

00:16:11.860 So am I.

00:16:12.700 So am I.

00:16:13.840 Yeah,

00:16:14.260 but I really am.

00:16:16.400 But I like the,

00:16:17.380 I liked,

00:16:17.800 I loved the anti-mandate rally

00:16:19.940 and those who organized it

00:16:21.600 and I thought it was great.

00:16:22.320 So you got in trouble

00:16:22.980 when you were there.

00:16:24.460 You,

00:16:24.820 I mean,

00:16:25.080 I got your overall point.

00:16:26.180 People get upset

00:16:26.680 when you compare anything

00:16:27.860 to the Holocaust.

00:16:29.400 But you were basically saying,

00:16:30.720 I don't know,

00:16:31.020 I have it in front of me

00:16:31.640 just so,

00:16:32.220 so I don't get it wrong,

00:16:33.120 but it was,

00:16:33.560 even in Hitler's Germany,

00:16:36.460 you could cross the Alps

00:16:37.560 into Switzerland.

00:16:38.400 You could hide in the attic

00:16:39.460 like Anne Frank did.

00:16:40.920 Today,

00:16:41.220 the mechanisms are being put in place

00:16:42.960 that will make it

00:16:43.500 so none of us can run,

00:16:44.740 none of us can hide.

00:16:46.000 Well,

00:16:46.380 all hell rained down on you.

00:16:47.900 I mean,

00:16:48.160 when the Auschwitz Memorial

00:16:49.460 is responding to you on Twitter,

00:16:51.240 you know you've stepped in it.

00:16:52.800 They came out and said it was,

00:16:54.020 it's a sad symptom

00:16:54.680 of moral and intellectual decay.

00:16:56.440 So those people don't like you

00:16:57.860 and some of them don't like you

00:16:59.680 for political reasons.

00:17:00.440 But what did you make

00:17:01.640 of your wife,

00:17:02.260 Cheryl Hines,

00:17:02.820 who by the way,

00:17:03.200 I did not realize

00:17:03.780 you were married

00:17:04.120 to the wonderful Cheryl Hines

00:17:05.340 of Curb Your Enthusiasm.

00:17:08.100 She came out,

00:17:08.840 she gave it to you too.

00:17:09.820 She gave it to you

00:17:10.300 right between the eyes

00:17:11.180 and said his,

00:17:13.820 we should not be comparing

00:17:15.020 the Holocaust

00:17:15.420 to anything or anyone.

00:17:16.720 His opinions are not

00:17:17.420 a reflection of my own

00:17:18.340 and his reference

00:17:19.720 to Anne Frank

00:17:20.280 was reprehensible

00:17:21.060 and insensitive.

00:17:21.960 So I know you said

00:17:24.420 you were sorry

00:17:24.840 for that comment,

00:17:25.480 but what did you make of it?

00:17:26.240 Yeah, well, let me get to my wife

00:17:30.040 in a minute

00:17:30.440 and just make a couple

00:17:32.220 of comments on that.

00:17:33.200 Number one,

00:17:33.560 I regret making that analogy.

00:17:36.660 Number two,

00:17:37.420 I was not comparing COVID policies

00:17:39.700 to the Holocaust.

00:17:40.980 I never mentioned the Holocaust.

00:17:43.760 I was making a point,

00:17:45.560 I was comparing a number

00:17:47.340 of totalitarian regimes,

00:17:50.680 left wing and right wing.

00:17:51.900 So in that same,

00:17:53.060 I think earlier in that sentence

00:17:54.580 or later,

00:17:54.960 I talked about the communist regime

00:17:57.260 of East Germany

00:17:58.140 and that all of these

00:18:00.020 totalitarian regimes

00:18:01.200 have similar features

00:18:02.640 and similar intentions,

00:18:04.420 which is to control

00:18:05.840 every aspect of human behavior.

00:18:08.580 And my point is

00:18:09.940 that none of them

00:18:10.780 have been able to do that

00:18:11.780 in history.

00:18:12.720 That today, however,

00:18:15.560 because of these new technologies,

00:18:18.500 technologies like 5G,

00:18:21.300 which allows mass harvest

00:18:24.400 of data

00:18:25.140 and very,

00:18:26.080 very intense surveillance,

00:18:28.260 satellites,

00:18:29.260 415,000 satellites,

00:18:31.420 low altitude satellites

00:18:33.460 that are going to be able

00:18:34.240 to look at every square inch

00:18:35.660 of the earth,

00:18:36.400 everyday facial recognition systems.

00:18:38.920 We now have these AI systems

00:18:41.120 that can look through walls

00:18:42.500 and see people

00:18:43.320 where they're hiding

00:18:43.940 in buildings.

00:18:44.500 We have vaccine passports,

00:18:47.740 which is a way of social control,

00:18:51.420 digital currencies.

00:18:52.840 We saw what they did

00:18:53.680 to the truckers in Canada

00:18:57.060 where they closed their bank accounts

00:18:58.760 and, you know,

00:18:59.800 denied the money.

00:19:01.360 There's all these new instrumentalities

00:19:03.520 that make the rising,

00:19:06.360 the emergence of totalitarianism,

00:19:07.620 what I call turnkey totalitarianism,

00:19:08.740 where they're putting in place

00:19:11.620 all of these instrumentalities now

00:19:13.520 or they are getting put in place.

00:19:16.640 Let me use the passive voice.

00:19:19.160 And it's going to give people

00:19:21.240 who have those kind of ambitions

00:19:23.480 a level of control

00:19:25.280 over every aspect of our lives

00:19:27.120 and makes dissent

00:19:28.400 and resistance almost impossible.

00:19:30.760 That's the point I was going to make.

00:19:32.060 I made a big mistake

00:19:35.320 by making any reference

00:19:38.080 to Nazi Germany

00:19:39.940 because of the sensitivities

00:19:42.800 and because I know

00:19:43.820 that what I say

00:19:45.180 is going to be distorted

00:19:46.540 by people who want to silence me.

00:19:49.700 And that, you know,

00:19:50.600 I need to understand that.

00:19:52.240 And I need to be careful

00:19:54.140 in what I say

00:19:54.940 because there are people

00:19:56.000 who are of sensitivities

00:19:57.240 about that epic in history

00:19:59.320 that are legitimate,

00:20:01.460 that are, you know,

00:20:04.240 that are horrific.

00:20:06.640 Oh, and, you know,

00:20:07.840 I apologize

00:20:08.420 because I don't want to hurt anybody.

00:20:10.720 I have no, you know,

00:20:12.080 desire to hurt anybody.

00:20:14.040 I would say this,

00:20:15.400 that I do think

00:20:16.540 that we need to find ways

00:20:19.840 to be able to talk about our history

00:20:21.980 because if we can't talk about,

00:20:25.760 you know,

00:20:26.180 and the history of the rise

00:20:28.440 of the Third Reich

00:20:29.380 did not begin with death camps.

00:20:32.600 Death camps didn't come until 1941.

00:20:36.620 There was a whole system

00:20:39.580 of totalitarian controls

00:20:41.540 that were put in place

00:20:43.000 and there were alchemies

00:20:45.180 of demagoguery

00:20:46.300 that were used

00:20:47.240 that are common

00:20:47.840 to all totalitarian systems.

00:20:50.660 Over that 12-year period

00:20:52.360 in which certain groups of people,

00:20:54.560 and particularly Jews

00:20:55.700 and Poles

00:20:56.420 and Gypsies

00:20:57.100 or Roma people,

00:20:58.220 et cetera,

00:20:59.360 were systematically dehumanized

00:21:02.460 and robbed of their rights.

00:21:05.680 And it was a 12-year process

00:21:07.320 and we need to,

00:21:09.760 at some time,

00:21:12.300 we need to figure out ways

00:21:13.800 to be able to talk about that process

00:21:17.400 without offending people.

00:21:18.680 That's what Gina Carano

00:21:20.200 got fired from ABC for,

00:21:22.600 from Disney,

00:21:23.740 for trying to talk about that.

00:21:25.020 It's a very tricky area

00:21:25.980 and I should have known better

00:21:27.460 to stay the hell away from it

00:21:29.260 because it's just,

00:21:31.580 there's no winning for me.

00:21:33.020 People cannot hear my words.

00:21:34.740 They're going to hear

00:21:35.620 from their feelings

00:21:37.760 and their hearts

00:21:38.760 and they're entitled

00:21:39.680 to those feelings.

00:21:40.880 Yes,

00:21:41.160 but you know

00:21:41.780 when your spouse

00:21:42.640 is on the side

00:21:43.420 of the other people,

00:21:44.600 you know you've done wrong,

00:21:45.960 right?

00:21:46.180 Because your spouse

00:21:46.760 is rooting for you.

00:21:48.260 I want to say this.

00:21:49.680 I,

00:21:50.120 you know,

00:21:51.720 I encourage Cheryl

00:21:53.060 to publish that statement.

00:21:55.500 In fact,

00:21:56.120 I asked her to do a statement

00:21:58.020 that was much tougher than that.

00:21:59.900 Really?

00:22:01.180 Which,

00:22:02.040 yes,

00:22:02.780 because,

00:22:04.620 and I'm glad she didn't.

00:22:06.380 I'm very glad she didn't.

00:22:07.700 But,

00:22:08.300 I actually gave her language

00:22:10.660 that was much,

00:22:11.660 much tougher than that

00:22:12.480 because

00:22:12.820 she needed to distance herself from me.

00:22:15.700 I,

00:22:16.020 my job

00:22:16.940 with her husband

00:22:17.600 is to protect her

00:22:18.560 and the,

00:22:19.940 the arrows

00:22:21.140 and the bullets

00:22:22.260 that were being slung at me

00:22:24.100 were hitting her.

00:22:25.580 She was,

00:22:26.760 you know,

00:22:27.220 getting tremendous blowback

00:22:28.900 from her friends,

00:22:31.020 from her industry,

00:22:31.840 from others

00:22:32.900 and it was,

00:22:34.800 it was

00:22:36.040 a terrible experience for me

00:22:38.160 and she,

00:22:39.560 you know,

00:22:39.840 by the way,

00:22:40.600 what she said,

00:22:42.180 she believed.

00:22:43.180 so she wasn't saying something,

00:22:45.240 you know,

00:22:45.560 she is,

00:22:46.580 she does not

00:22:48.780 accept

00:22:50.680 all of the things

00:22:52.800 that,

00:22:53.260 you know,

00:22:54.280 that I believe

00:22:55.200 about,

00:22:56.020 about what's happening

00:22:57.600 with the vaccines

00:22:58.640 and the medical department.

00:22:59.380 Yeah,

00:23:00.180 you don't speak for her.

00:23:02.140 What?

00:23:02.920 Yeah,

00:23:03.300 I got it.

00:23:04.200 Yeah.

00:23:04.760 I don't need to convert her

00:23:06.820 and I don't need her to,

00:23:08.640 you know,

00:23:09.080 to be,

00:23:10.080 I,

00:23:10.280 I don't want her to.

00:23:12.240 She started reading my book.

00:23:13.580 She read all my other books

00:23:15.020 and she started reading that book

00:23:17.740 and she got on Fauci

00:23:19.120 and she had just made her depressed

00:23:20.880 to read that,

00:23:22.080 you know,

00:23:22.300 she has an idealism

00:23:23.960 and,

00:23:24.400 and a,

00:23:26.380 and just a gentle heart

00:23:29.600 and to read,

00:23:30.940 you know,

00:23:31.300 about these injuries

00:23:32.380 to children

00:23:33.020 and to read the government officials

00:23:35.500 that are charged

00:23:38.080 with protecting our health

00:23:39.340 or are compromised

00:23:40.360 and corrupted.

00:23:41.320 It just,

00:23:42.900 it,

00:23:43.540 it was,

00:23:44.380 it was,

00:23:47.020 it was making her soul wither

00:23:49.300 and I said to her,

00:23:51.520 you guy,

00:23:52.240 you kid,

00:23:52.580 you don't have to read that book

00:23:53.780 and you should stop reading it

00:23:55.620 because,

00:23:56.800 let me just tell you something

00:23:58.420 about,

00:23:58.900 about,

00:23:59.720 um,

00:24:00.420 Cheryl.

00:24:01.500 She,

00:24:02.380 she is literally the best human being

00:24:04.820 that I've ever met

00:24:05.580 and when I,

00:24:06.660 you know,

00:24:06.920 I met her through Larry David

00:24:08.540 and Larry brought her,

00:24:10.880 who was my friend

00:24:11.680 and Larry brought her in 2002

00:24:15.880 to go skiing

00:24:18.140 at a sea event

00:24:19.340 I did up in Banff

00:24:20.420 in British Columbia.

00:24:21.820 She was married then

00:24:22.820 and I was married then

00:24:23.800 and then she came back

00:24:26.080 in 2011

00:24:27.560 and both of us

00:24:30.220 were separated

00:24:30.940 and I,

00:24:32.900 you know,

00:24:33.620 got a crush on her

00:24:34.720 on that weekend

00:24:35.380 so I knew I wanted to date her

00:24:37.560 and I went,

00:24:39.800 but I also

00:24:40.660 knew that,

00:24:42.580 you know,

00:24:42.820 I went to basically

00:24:44.420 to ask Larry's permission

00:24:46.000 because Larry has a lot of roles

00:24:47.700 that,

00:24:48.060 you know,

00:24:48.520 are not written down anywhere

00:24:50.300 but a lot of men

00:24:51.520 understand them

00:24:52.380 and one of them was,

00:24:54.740 I know that

00:24:55.420 even though it was his TV wife

00:24:57.140 that you,

00:24:57.840 that it was,

00:24:59.080 I,

00:24:59.520 I needed to get,

00:25:01.440 you know,

00:25:02.100 square with him

00:25:02.980 before I,

00:25:03.860 might have been crossing a boundary.

00:25:05.300 I got it.

00:25:06.380 Exactly.

00:25:06.980 So I went,

00:25:07.700 met him at the Carlisle Hotel

00:25:09.280 around 11 o'clock at night.

00:25:10.780 I went up to his room

00:25:11.760 and sat down with him.

00:25:14.340 I had,

00:25:14.660 it was like asking her parents

00:25:16.380 to date,

00:25:16.940 although,

00:25:17.360 you know,

00:25:17.660 he's more my age

00:25:18.980 and I,

00:25:19.920 and he,

00:25:20.440 I said,

00:25:20.780 what do you think of that?

00:25:21.660 And he said,

00:25:22.340 he said,

00:25:22.860 she is the best person,

00:25:24.080 human being I've ever met.

00:25:26.180 And he said,

00:25:27.100 she's the only person

00:25:28.600 in this industry

00:25:29.440 that is universally beloved.

00:25:32.160 She doesn't have a single enemy

00:25:34.240 and she has a level

00:25:36.120 of professionalism.

00:25:37.340 She's never late

00:25:38.140 for an appointment.

00:25:39.220 She always knows her line.

00:25:41.080 She does what she's supposed to do

00:25:42.820 and she's really,

00:25:44.520 you know,

00:25:45.140 Cheryl came from total poverty

00:25:46.780 and she was born

00:25:48.760 in North Florida.

00:25:49.800 Her father lived in a trailer

00:25:51.600 in Frostproof, Florida.

00:25:54.320 Cheryl,

00:25:55.240 slept in the same bed

00:25:56.560 with her mother

00:25:57.100 until she left high school.

00:25:59.400 She came out,

00:26:00.520 she paid for her own way

00:26:01.660 through college.

00:26:02.380 She put her way

00:26:02.920 through waitressing

00:26:03.920 and working as a joke teller

00:26:07.560 on a telephone line.

00:26:09.840 And then she came out here

00:26:11.740 in a,

00:26:12.340 you know,

00:26:12.980 Toyota Turch cell

00:26:14.260 with a hundred thousand miles on it

00:26:16.280 and worked for 15 years

00:26:19.080 as a bartender

00:26:21.700 and as a personal assistant

00:26:23.080 before she finally got

00:26:25.140 a break,

00:26:25.820 which,

00:26:26.100 you know,

00:26:26.320 she was working

00:26:26.960 at the ground lanes

00:26:27.960 and doing improv,

00:26:30.920 but she didn't get a break

00:26:33.160 in the industry

00:26:33.740 until she got that job

00:26:35.460 at Curb Your Enthusiasm

00:26:37.280 where they were looking

00:26:38.100 for somebody

00:26:38.840 who was an unknown actress.

00:26:40.740 And,

00:26:41.000 you know,

00:26:41.580 then her career took off.

00:26:42.940 She directs films

00:26:44.020 and she has an incredible career

00:26:46.700 that she put together

00:26:47.720 single-handedly.

00:26:48.700 and the idea

00:26:49.840 that my activities

00:26:53.480 would be jeopardizing

00:26:56.360 this thing

00:26:57.240 that this incredible person

00:26:59.260 put together

00:27:00.140 was just,

00:27:02.140 like,

00:27:02.460 I felt like my job

00:27:04.260 is to protect her

00:27:05.120 and I was doing

00:27:05.980 the opposite of my job.

00:27:07.820 So,

00:27:08.140 my heart was breaking

00:27:09.920 and I was,

00:27:14.040 you know,

00:27:14.760 I would have taken

00:27:16.040 any blow

00:27:17.180 to make sure

00:27:18.820 that she could

00:27:19.740 distance herself

00:27:20.820 from,

00:27:21.320 you know.

00:27:22.560 Yes.

00:27:23.180 My grandpa,

00:27:24.060 you know,

00:27:24.240 my parents were all

00:27:25.980 really good friends

00:27:27.040 with leading figures

00:27:29.240 at the time

00:27:29.800 who had been

00:27:30.260 terrible enemies

00:27:31.180 of my grandfather.

00:27:32.200 and my grandfather

00:27:34.340 used to always say,

00:27:35.500 I don't want my enemies

00:27:37.000 to be my children's enemies.

00:27:38.900 They can pick

00:27:40.120 their own fights

00:27:41.000 but they don't need

00:27:41.820 to fight mine

00:27:42.580 and I don't want them to.

00:27:43.960 And I feel that way

00:27:45.100 about my family too.

00:27:46.740 I,

00:27:47.060 you know,

00:27:47.380 I chose this life.

00:27:49.560 I chose this,

00:27:51.140 you know,

00:27:51.660 crusade

00:27:52.340 and they need

00:27:54.240 to figure out

00:27:54.840 their own way.

00:27:55.760 My children

00:27:56.280 and other members

00:27:57.400 of my family

00:27:58.140 have other things to do.

00:27:59.600 They're all doing

00:28:00.220 valuable stuff

00:28:01.180 and I'm not insisting

00:28:02.560 that they

00:28:03.040 read my book.

00:28:04.880 If you,

00:28:05.400 this issue

00:28:06.000 is so hard to learn.

00:28:08.240 You know,

00:28:08.680 I've been litigating it.

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00:28:13.820 Coming up,

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00:29:06.060 I'm a lawyer

00:29:06.980 and a journalist

00:29:07.920 and it took me a lot

00:29:09.500 just to come up with,

00:29:10.920 you know,

00:29:11.340 like where

00:29:11.920 am I going to challenge him

00:29:13.480 and what, you know,

00:29:14.060 what are some sort of points?

00:29:15.720 Megan,

00:29:16.080 I want to tell you

00:29:17.500 how impressed

00:29:19.240 I am

00:29:20.060 because

00:29:20.660 you're very brave

00:29:22.720 to have me on

00:29:23.640 because you saw

00:29:24.540 what they did

00:29:25.100 to Joe Rogan

00:29:25.960 for having

00:29:26.820 Dr. Malone on.

00:29:30.240 Yeah.

00:29:30.420 and I'm the only

00:29:32.360 worst person

00:29:33.060 than Dr. Malone.

00:29:34.320 So, you know,

00:29:35.020 they try to destroy

00:29:35.960 Joe Rogan

00:29:36.600 who's got 40 million followers.

00:29:38.580 I know.

00:29:39.520 And Joe Rogan

00:29:40.360 wouldn't put me on.

00:29:41.680 Joe Rogan

00:29:42.280 wanted to put me on

00:29:43.300 and he won't put me on

00:29:44.600 and he has good reason

00:29:45.960 for it

00:29:46.380 because they will,

00:29:47.640 you know,

00:29:47.880 what you face

00:29:49.520 if you allow me

00:29:50.600 to talk

00:29:51.340 is

00:29:51.900 and you've pushed back

00:29:54.180 at me appropriately

00:29:55.220 you and I

00:29:56.160 you know,

00:29:57.620 you've made good points

00:29:58.860 on this show

00:30:00.120 you've done

00:30:00.900 you know,

00:30:01.760 you're tough

00:30:03.040 and you're smart

00:30:03.920 but you also

00:30:04.820 you have a lot of courage

00:30:06.700 to,

00:30:07.380 you know,

00:30:07.780 to even allow me to talk.

00:30:09.200 I've never been allowed

00:30:10.820 to talk like this

00:30:13.280 on a major platform

00:30:15.200 except,

00:30:15.740 you know,

00:30:16.060 Tucker Carlson.

00:30:17.240 Yep.

00:30:17.560 Yep.

00:30:18.140 A friend of mine too

00:30:18.960 and thank you for saying that.

00:30:21.060 I was really looking forward to it.

00:30:22.880 I have to say

00:30:23.360 the more they try to suppress

00:30:24.700 someone like you

00:30:25.720 or Dr. Malone

00:30:27.260 the more I want to do it.

00:30:28.900 You know,

00:30:29.140 I've always been that person

00:30:30.520 and I'm thrilled.

00:30:32.380 I'm thrilled you're here

00:30:32.900 and I should tell the audience

00:30:33.680 of course nothing was off limits.

00:30:35.460 You're not that guy

00:30:36.440 but you were like

00:30:37.300 I'll stay as long as you want.

00:30:38.540 We can go

00:30:38.920 we can talk about anything

00:30:40.200 because you're not afraid

00:30:41.560 of pushback

00:30:42.340 unlike these censors

00:30:44.220 who only want to air

00:30:45.760 one-sided story.

00:30:47.440 I've said this before

00:30:48.140 you know as a lawyer

00:30:48.880 and I know as a lawyer

00:30:49.800 of 10 years

00:30:50.380 before I got into journalism

00:30:51.700 if you only

00:30:52.720 if you go into a courtroom

00:30:53.480 and you only present one side

00:30:54.600 you're going to win.

00:30:55.560 It's very easy to win

00:30:56.780 when you only have

00:30:57.640 the one side talking.

00:30:59.180 You can persuade

00:31:00.000 even the least gullible

00:31:02.040 of jurors

00:31:02.660 to come over to your side

00:31:03.920 but that's what they're doing.

00:31:05.400 They're just shutting down

00:31:06.400 one side

00:31:07.140 and then declaring it a victory

00:31:08.280 and they haven't won

00:31:09.840 the hearts and minds.

00:31:10.580 That's why there's so many skeptics

00:31:11.620 still out there

00:31:12.200 and that's why your book

00:31:12.840 is in its 12th printing

00:31:13.860 even though no one

00:31:15.280 will give it any promo.

00:31:17.100 It's not going to be reviewed

00:31:18.740 by the Times

00:31:19.920 and celebrated

00:31:20.520 in the magazines

00:31:21.520 and you know

00:31:22.240 all over the newspapers

00:31:23.260 but the people

00:31:24.560 have a way.

00:31:26.460 The Times

00:31:27.040 and the Washington Post

00:31:28.420 just did

00:31:29.360 a big profile piece

00:31:31.060 on me

00:31:31.500 and neither of them

00:31:33.940 even mentioned

00:31:34.860 the name of the book.

00:31:36.240 Oh my gosh.

00:31:37.280 That's how

00:31:37.840 like radioactive

00:31:38.800 it is.

00:31:40.000 So let me ask you this.

00:31:42.720 Did everything die down

00:31:44.080 for Cheryl?

00:31:45.120 Like everything was fine

00:31:45.940 with her

00:31:46.520 and her industry

00:31:47.360 and show

00:31:48.580 and all that after that?

00:31:49.960 I think so

00:31:51.060 and you know

00:31:53.480 I hope so.

00:31:54.180 She was nervous

00:31:54.800 about me doing this show

00:31:56.040 and I can tell you that.

00:31:57.680 She's going to like it.

00:31:58.760 After she listens to it

00:31:59.900 she's going to approve.

00:32:01.400 I'll just tell you

00:32:02.400 another thing

00:32:03.160 because I brought her

00:32:05.060 so much heartache

00:32:05.840 on that other thing

00:32:07.360 that I want to say this

00:32:09.160 about her

00:32:09.860 that you know

00:32:10.760 you mentioned

00:32:11.680 my wife

00:32:12.920 that I've been through

00:32:13.840 a real tragedy

00:32:15.880 with

00:32:16.380 in my former marriage

00:32:18.780 and

00:32:19.400 we

00:32:22.380 you know

00:32:22.780 I have

00:32:23.480 six kids

00:32:24.860 and then a stepchild

00:32:25.920 with Cheryl

00:32:26.500 but they

00:32:28.340 you know

00:32:29.640 that was

00:32:30.140 obviously

00:32:31.120 anybody that listened

00:32:32.360 to this

00:32:32.700 can imagine

00:32:33.240 how tough that

00:32:34.100 was

00:32:35.060 for them

00:32:36.180 and

00:32:37.460 Cheryl

00:32:38.140 coming

00:32:38.960 into my life

00:32:40.300 and becoming

00:32:41.160 a friend

00:32:41.600 my kids

00:32:42.360 adore her

00:32:43.300 and she has

00:32:45.300 these extraordinary

00:32:46.020 values

00:32:46.960 she has

00:32:48.400 just a natural

00:32:49.520 gift

00:32:50.660 for understanding

00:32:51.820 what you should do

00:32:52.900 in any situation

00:32:53.840 she has

00:32:54.500 more

00:32:55.800 wisdom

00:32:57.860 than I

00:32:58.920 know of

00:32:59.540 in any person

00:33:00.280 but

00:33:00.500 the word

00:33:01.240 the word

00:33:01.960 wisdom

00:33:02.480 means

00:33:03.080 a knowledge

00:33:03.940 of God's will

00:33:04.900 and

00:33:06.380 she

00:33:06.920 has

00:33:07.360 this

00:33:07.580 acute

00:33:08.060 sense

00:33:09.120 of

00:33:09.300 what's

00:33:09.600 right

00:33:09.980 and wrong

00:33:10.500 in every

00:33:11.220 situation

00:33:12.120 and

00:33:12.580 she

00:33:13.860 shared

00:33:14.180 that

00:33:14.400 with my

00:33:14.800 children

00:33:15.220 and

00:33:15.840 just

00:33:16.140 been

00:33:16.480 a loving

00:33:17.360 loving

00:33:17.740 friend

00:33:18.120 to all

00:33:18.600 of them

00:33:19.000 and

00:33:19.460 you know

00:33:20.080 my kids

00:33:20.680 are all

00:33:21.160 flourishing

00:33:22.560 now

00:33:23.140 and they're

00:33:23.520 healthy

00:33:23.960 and they're

00:33:24.780 all doing

00:33:25.780 well

00:33:26.100 in careers

00:33:26.840 and school

00:33:27.720 and athletics

00:33:28.860 etc

00:33:29.460 and a lot

00:33:30.300 of that

00:33:30.700 is because

00:33:31.340 of the

00:33:31.600 strength

00:33:32.040 and the

00:33:32.420 stability

00:33:32.820 that she

00:33:33.260 brought

00:33:33.580 to my

00:33:33.960 life

00:33:34.360 so

00:33:34.700 you know

00:33:36.120 that

00:33:36.440 I wanted

00:33:37.100 to explain

00:33:37.740 that

00:33:38.000 because

00:33:38.620 that

00:33:40.960 you know

00:33:41.820 is

00:33:42.480 why

00:33:42.980 I would

00:33:43.520 do

00:33:43.900 anything

00:33:44.540 to spare

00:33:45.280 her

00:33:45.600 that

00:33:46.020 kind

00:33:46.500 of

00:33:46.620 pain

00:33:46.940 well

00:33:47.760 I mean

00:33:48.160 we'll

00:33:48.780 have to

00:33:49.060 rain

00:33:49.280 down

00:33:49.580 hell

00:33:49.840 on anybody

00:33:50.300 who tries

00:33:50.620 to mess

00:33:50.880 with her

00:33:51.180 for her

00:33:51.540 husband's

00:33:52.280 opinions

00:33:52.760 you're

00:33:53.480 well

00:33:53.700 researched

00:33:54.080 you're

00:33:54.320 a lawyer

00:33:54.680 you've

00:33:55.040 devoted

00:33:55.400 your life

00:33:55.900 to this

00:33:56.380 of course

00:33:56.840 you have

00:33:57.080 strong

00:33:57.380 opinions

00:33:57.860 you know

00:33:58.700 I was

00:33:59.140 thinking

00:33:59.420 about it

00:33:59.820 though

00:33:59.940 because

00:34:00.280 you talk

00:34:01.140 about

00:34:01.360 I'm

00:34:01.660 brave

00:34:01.880 for having

00:34:02.220 you on

00:34:02.580 you're

00:34:02.920 brave

00:34:03.180 for staying

00:34:03.580 on this

00:34:04.020 after so

00:34:04.540 much

00:34:04.720 public

00:34:05.040 shaming

00:34:05.480 you know

00:34:06.520 on all

00:34:07.160 the fronts

00:34:07.960 that we've

00:34:08.380 discussed

00:34:08.740 and to me

00:34:09.600 in studying

00:34:10.140 up on you

00:34:10.660 and your

00:34:10.880 family

00:34:11.160 before the

00:34:11.580 interview

00:34:11.840 I guess

00:34:13.200 I thought

00:34:13.740 to myself

00:34:14.100 I shouldn't

00:34:14.460 be surprised

00:34:15.040 because

00:34:15.460 one thing

00:34:16.760 I knew

00:34:17.240 even going

00:34:17.660 into it

00:34:18.040 but then

00:34:18.320 was confirmed

00:34:19.000 by everything

00:34:19.500 I've read

00:34:20.040 you say

00:34:20.480 about your

00:34:20.760 family

00:34:21.080 is

00:34:21.360 you're

00:34:22.160 risk takers

00:34:22.980 and not

00:34:23.900 by accident

00:34:24.580 I mean

00:34:25.020 it's probably

00:34:25.480 in your DNA

00:34:26.080 as well

00:34:26.560 but it

00:34:27.720 was encouraged

00:34:28.340 right from

00:34:28.840 an early age

00:34:29.440 you write

00:34:29.860 about how

00:34:30.400 your dad

00:34:31.680 may be too

00:34:32.120 much so

00:34:32.640 you know

00:34:32.980 you'd get

00:34:33.380 threats

00:34:33.780 to the

00:34:34.100 family

00:34:34.500 and of

00:34:35.180 course

00:34:35.320 given

00:34:35.580 the way

00:34:35.960 he died

00:34:36.420 of course

00:34:37.280 we all

00:34:37.720 look at it

00:34:38.040 differently

00:34:38.280 now

00:34:38.560 but even

00:34:39.460 prior to

00:34:39.940 that

00:34:40.160 there'd

00:34:40.400 be death

00:34:40.760 threats

00:34:41.020 there'd

00:34:41.260 be

00:34:41.340 something

00:34:41.620 and

00:34:41.940 you know

00:34:43.120 he was

00:34:43.500 like

00:34:43.740 we're

00:34:44.300 fine

00:34:44.600 you know

00:34:45.000 we don't

00:34:45.260 need

00:34:45.440 security

00:34:45.820 and

00:34:46.320 we're

00:34:46.780 gonna

00:34:46.880 take

00:34:47.160 risks

00:34:47.520 and

00:34:47.720 we're

00:34:47.880 Kennedy's

00:34:48.400 and

00:34:48.500 even

00:34:48.740 the

00:34:48.980 day

00:34:49.340 was

00:34:50.340 it

00:34:50.560 you tell

00:34:52.580 me

00:34:52.700 I'm trying

00:34:52.940 to remember

00:34:53.240 the story

00:34:53.540 but it

00:34:53.780 was

00:34:53.940 there was

00:34:54.240 a death

00:34:54.520 threat

00:34:54.800 and

00:34:55.120 or maybe

00:34:55.500 it was

00:34:55.780 when JFK

00:34:56.520 was

00:34:56.840 was shot

00:34:57.720 but he

00:34:58.440 didn't want

00:34:58.800 you to

00:34:59.020 leave school

00:34:59.540 because he

00:35:00.100 wanted you

00:35:00.500 to be a

00:35:00.800 good little

00:35:01.140 soldier

00:35:01.520 and not

00:35:02.560 panic

00:35:02.880 the other

00:35:03.180 children

00:35:03.400 during that

00:35:04.800 Cuban

00:35:05.080 missile

00:35:05.440 crisis

00:35:06.000 oh

00:35:06.500 Cuban

00:35:06.800 missile

00:35:07.100 crisis

00:35:07.460 okay

00:35:07.820 yes

00:35:08.300 came to

00:35:09.360 our

00:35:09.560 house

00:35:09.880 my

00:35:10.100 brother

00:35:10.440 Joe

00:35:10.780 and I

00:35:11.200 were

00:35:11.500 you know

00:35:12.320 I think

00:35:12.820 there were

00:35:13.040 probably

00:35:13.300 other kids

00:35:14.060 and people

00:35:14.660 may know

00:35:15.760 that there's

00:35:16.320 11 kids

00:35:16.920 my family

00:35:17.580 Joe and I

00:35:19.560 were kind

00:35:19.900 of the

00:35:20.100 older boys

00:35:20.940 and we

00:35:21.460 were home

00:35:21.900 and the

00:35:22.300 US

00:35:22.720 marshals

00:35:23.300 came by

00:35:23.980 and they

00:35:24.680 wanted to

00:35:25.460 take our

00:35:26.080 whole family

00:35:26.740 down to

00:35:27.500 these

00:35:27.980 to this

00:35:29.500 you know

00:35:29.900 underground

00:35:30.320 city that

00:35:31.040 they have

00:35:31.480 down in

00:35:31.860 the Blue

00:35:32.220 Ridge

00:35:32.580 mountains

00:35:33.160 where they

00:35:33.740 have

00:35:34.320 literally

00:35:34.800 they've

00:35:35.220 followed

00:35:35.600 out the

00:35:36.000 Blue

00:35:36.240 Ridge

00:35:36.600 and they

00:35:36.900 have

00:35:37.160 they have

00:35:39.320 a whole

00:35:40.000 city there

00:35:40.620 for the

00:35:40.940 government

00:35:41.380 to hide

00:35:42.380 in

00:35:42.720 when the

00:35:43.540 you know

00:35:43.980 when the

00:35:44.240 bombs were

00:35:44.780 raining down

00:35:45.340 during nuclear

00:35:46.120 winter

00:35:46.580 and you know

00:35:47.480 and so

00:35:49.460 we were

00:35:50.000 very very

00:35:50.660 excited

00:35:51.200 you know

00:35:51.800 we just

00:35:52.160 we wanted

00:35:52.600 to see

00:35:52.960 the joint

00:35:53.520 and

00:35:54.220 and to

00:35:56.200 go there

00:35:56.860 and

00:35:57.380 but my

00:35:59.060 father

00:35:59.600 called us

00:36:00.420 and he

00:36:00.660 got us

00:36:01.120 the two

00:36:01.420 of us

00:36:01.680 on the

00:36:01.980 phone

00:36:02.260 on different

00:36:02.700 lines

00:36:03.160 and he

00:36:03.460 said

00:36:03.740 if you

00:36:05.620 children

00:36:06.340 leave

00:36:07.000 people are

00:36:07.800 going to

00:36:08.280 recognize

00:36:08.880 that in

00:36:09.320 Washington

00:36:09.720 and it's

00:36:10.140 going to

00:36:10.380 cause people

00:36:10.920 to panic

00:36:11.340 and you

00:36:12.840 need to

00:36:13.180 go

00:36:13.520 you need

00:36:14.080 to go

00:36:14.320 to school

00:36:14.880 you need

00:36:16.300 to show

00:36:16.840 you need

00:36:17.520 to show

00:36:17.960 that you

00:36:18.780 know

00:36:18.980 everything

00:36:19.780 is calm

00:36:20.460 and be

00:36:22.100 good

00:36:22.320 soldiers

00:36:22.880 and um

00:36:24.220 so I

00:36:25.060 mean I

00:36:25.380 and he

00:36:25.980 also said

00:36:26.840 that if

00:36:27.580 there is

00:36:28.340 a nuclear

00:36:28.780 war it

00:36:29.400 will be

00:36:29.700 better to

00:36:30.180 be dead

00:36:30.720 than to

00:36:31.120 be alive

00:36:31.500 now I

00:36:32.340 did not

00:36:32.960 go along

00:36:33.480 with that

00:36:33.980 I felt

00:36:34.500 like I

00:36:35.140 would thrive

00:36:35.780 in that

00:36:36.160 situation

00:36:36.840 and I

00:36:37.340 really wanted

00:36:38.180 to see

00:36:38.500 the place

00:36:38.880 but we

00:36:39.260 did what

00:36:39.680 he asked

00:36:40.320 us to do

00:36:40.860 you know

00:36:42.740 the story

00:36:43.380 this is from

00:36:43.800 your book

00:36:44.100 American

00:36:44.420 Values

00:36:44.840 another thing

00:36:45.340 that the

00:36:45.920 audience

00:36:46.160 should buy

00:36:46.620 but one

00:36:48.160 of my

00:36:48.540 favorite

00:36:48.760 stories

00:36:49.100 from that

00:36:49.400 book

00:36:49.600 is your

00:36:50.180 of course

00:36:50.540 your father

00:36:50.900 was attorney

00:36:51.300 general

00:36:51.660 under

00:36:52.080 president

00:36:52.580 jack

00:36:52.860 kennedy

00:36:53.140 and

00:36:53.600 you

00:36:54.900 write

00:36:55.180 about

00:36:55.440 how

00:36:55.740 when

00:36:55.960 you

00:36:56.080 were

00:36:56.200 little

00:36:56.560 there

00:36:57.120 was

00:36:57.280 a

00:36:57.460 red

00:36:57.800 button

00:36:58.580 on

00:36:59.160 his

00:36:59.440 desk

00:36:59.860 that

00:37:00.340 would

00:37:00.460 go

00:37:00.580 directly

00:37:00.960 to

00:37:01.140 the

00:37:01.260 head

00:37:01.340 of

00:37:01.440 the

00:37:01.540 FBI

00:37:02.000 J.

00:37:02.380 Edgar

00:37:02.580 Hoover

00:37:02.880 who

00:37:03.680 is

00:37:03.880 just

00:37:04.080 a

00:37:04.300 crazed

00:37:05.160 guy

00:37:05.480 I

00:37:05.600 mean

00:37:05.680 that

00:37:05.840 stories

00:37:06.320 about

00:37:06.540 him

00:37:06.680 your

00:37:06.840 book

00:37:07.000 are

00:37:07.100 great

00:37:07.300 too

00:37:07.540 and

00:37:08.580 you

00:37:09.540 had

00:37:09.660 some

00:37:09.820 fun

00:37:10.060 when

00:37:10.220 you

00:37:10.300 were

00:37:10.420 a

00:37:10.520 little

00:37:10.640 one

00:37:10.860 with

00:37:11.000 that

00:37:11.140 red

00:37:11.320 button

00:37:11.580 it

00:37:11.760 was

00:37:11.900 enjoyable

00:37:12.220 for

00:37:12.480 you

00:37:12.600 could

00:37:12.760 do

00:37:12.880 you

00:37:12.980 remember

00:37:13.440 this

00:37:13.640 story

00:37:13.820 from

00:37:14.020 your

00:37:14.120 book

00:37:14.380 my

00:37:15.880 father

00:37:16.340 had

00:37:16.760 a

00:37:16.880 unique

00:37:17.340 relationship

00:37:17.960 with

00:37:18.160 Hoover

00:37:18.360 Hoover

00:37:18.620 hated

00:37:19.020 my

00:37:19.260 father

00:37:19.660 and

00:37:19.900 he

00:37:20.500 never

00:37:21.320 spoke

00:37:21.720 to

00:37:21.860 him

00:37:21.980 again

00:37:22.300 and

00:37:23.680 he

00:37:23.840 reported

00:37:24.200 directly

00:37:24.620 to

00:37:24.800 John

00:37:24.980 City

00:37:25.120 even

00:37:25.400 though

00:37:25.560 my

00:37:25.740 father

00:37:26.020 continued

00:37:26.540 as

00:37:26.820 attorney

00:37:27.060 general

00:37:27.380 my

00:37:27.620 father

00:37:27.920 was

00:37:28.180 a

00:37:28.500 sensible

00:37:28.880 boss

00:37:36.680 in

00:37:36.900 the

00:37:37.000 United

00:37:37.240 States

00:37:37.720 and

00:37:39.200 he

00:37:39.340 hated

00:37:39.640 that

00:37:39.820 my

00:37:40.000 father

00:37:40.320 made

00:37:40.620 him

00:37:40.800 go

00:37:41.040 through

00:37:41.320 him

00:37:41.600 not

00:37:41.920 only

00:37:42.180 that

00:37:42.540 my

00:37:42.860 father

00:37:43.220 put

00:37:43.520 a

00:37:43.720 red

00:37:44.100 button

00:37:44.460 the

00:37:45.500 FBI

00:37:46.700 was

00:37:48.780 in an

00:37:49.080 adjoining

00:37:49.480 building

00:37:49.820 they were

00:37:50.140 actually

00:37:50.580 linked

00:37:51.020 by a

00:37:51.500 bridge

00:37:51.860 and

00:37:53.160 they

00:37:53.300 were

00:37:53.420 linked

00:37:53.660 by a

00:37:54.160 tunnel

00:37:54.440 which

00:37:54.740 we

00:37:54.980 used

00:37:55.200 to

00:37:55.320 go

00:37:55.520 through

00:37:55.780 we

00:37:56.080 would

00:37:56.260 go

00:37:56.480 to

00:37:56.680 the

00:37:56.820 shooting

00:37:57.100 range

00:37:57.520 the

00:37:57.660 FBI

00:37:57.940 shooting

00:37:58.280 range

00:37:58.600 and

00:37:58.780 sometimes

00:37:59.280 we

00:37:59.540 go

00:37:59.780 to

00:38:00.120 Hoover's

00:38:00.620 office

00:38:00.900 he

00:38:01.180 caught

00:38:01.720 me

00:38:01.920 in

00:38:02.020 his

00:38:02.200 office

00:38:02.520 one

00:38:02.880 day

00:38:03.160 trying

00:38:03.720 to

00:38:04.220 catch

00:38:05.100 the

00:38:05.260 goldfish

00:38:05.860 in

00:38:06.360 his

00:38:06.740 fish

00:38:07.700 tank

00:38:08.040 he

00:38:08.180 was

00:38:08.340 very

00:38:08.580 angry

00:38:08.920 but

00:38:09.260 you're

00:38:10.020 lucky

00:38:10.220 you

00:38:10.400 still

00:38:10.580 have

00:38:10.760 your

00:38:10.900 hand

00:38:11.260 my

00:38:13.100 father

00:38:13.620 had

00:38:14.700 a

00:38:14.900 button

00:38:15.220 on

00:38:15.480 the

00:38:15.620 desk

00:38:16.060 that

00:38:16.700 he

00:38:16.860 could

00:38:17.060 summon

00:38:17.380 Hoover

00:38:18.040 and

00:38:18.280 one

00:38:18.560 day

00:38:18.740 we

00:38:18.920 were

00:38:19.100 in

00:38:19.300 there

00:38:19.580 and

00:38:20.000 we

00:38:20.400 were

00:38:20.680 me

00:38:21.480 and

00:38:21.760 two

00:38:22.340 of

00:38:22.480 my

00:38:22.660 siblings

00:38:23.140 were

00:38:23.640 mischievously

00:38:24.660 pressing

00:38:25.640 that

00:38:25.900 button

00:38:26.220 and

00:38:26.460 he

00:38:26.740 came

00:38:27.080 up

00:38:27.520 very

00:38:28.220 angry

00:38:28.620 which

00:38:29.060 he

00:38:30.740 should

00:38:31.000 have

00:38:31.120 been

00:38:31.380 it's

00:38:34.160 amazing

00:38:34.560 to

00:38:34.780 think

00:38:35.040 of

00:38:35.180 you

00:38:35.280 doing

00:38:35.580 that

00:38:35.960 the

00:38:36.500 other

00:38:36.780 maybe

00:38:37.340 not

00:38:37.660 unrelated

00:38:38.200 story

00:38:38.700 was

00:38:39.040 of

00:38:39.820 the

00:38:40.000 red

00:38:40.240 phone

00:38:40.680 that

00:38:41.220 President

00:38:42.180 Kennedy

00:38:42.600 had

00:38:42.900 installed

00:38:43.380 so

00:38:43.640 he

00:38:43.780 could

00:38:43.940 reach

00:38:44.280 the

00:38:44.500 Soviets

00:38:45.900 immediately

00:38:47.440 and

00:38:48.700 he

00:38:48.820 had

00:38:49.020 one

00:38:49.280 of

00:38:49.540 course

00:38:49.700 in

00:38:49.820 the

00:38:49.940 Oval

00:38:50.120 Office

00:38:50.380 but

00:38:50.580 he

00:38:50.680 had

00:38:50.860 another

00:38:51.200 one

00:38:51.540 at

00:38:51.780 your

00:38:52.100 house

00:38:52.580 where

00:38:53.080 you

00:38:53.260 were

00:38:53.420 raised

00:38:53.800 in

00:38:54.240 just

00:38:54.700 outside

00:38:54.980 of

00:38:55.120 D.C.

00:38:55.460 in

00:38:55.540 Virginia

00:38:55.980 which

00:38:56.300 was

00:38:56.440 sort

00:38:56.600 of

00:38:56.680 like

00:38:56.820 a

00:38:56.960 satellite

00:38:57.260 White

00:38:57.620 house

00:38:57.820 for

00:38:58.000 him

00:38:58.220 and

00:38:59.020 this

00:38:59.180 is

00:38:59.340 crazy

00:38:59.680 I

00:38:59.900 apparently

00:39:00.440 it's

00:39:00.640 still

00:39:00.800 there

00:39:01.040 like

00:39:01.320 your

00:39:01.900 brother

00:39:02.160 owns

00:39:02.400 the

00:39:02.500 house

00:39:02.640 like

00:39:02.820 we

00:39:02.940 could

00:39:03.060 go

00:39:03.200 see

00:39:03.360 it

00:39:03.480 there

00:39:05.460 was

00:39:05.640 one

00:39:05.880 in

00:39:06.000 the

00:39:06.160 Cape

00:39:06.460 which

00:39:06.720 isn't

00:39:06.980 my

00:39:07.140 brother's

00:39:07.680 house

00:39:08.900 which

00:39:09.280 for

00:39:09.460 one

00:39:09.780 year

00:39:09.980 was

00:39:10.200 the

00:39:10.360 summer

00:39:10.580 White

00:39:10.940 house

00:39:11.280 and

00:39:12.940 the

00:39:13.140 wires

00:39:13.500 are

00:39:13.700 still

00:39:13.920 going

00:39:14.240 through

00:39:14.820 the

00:39:14.980 door

00:39:15.180 but

00:39:15.340 what

00:39:15.560 happened

00:39:16.020 was

00:39:16.320 could

00:39:16.520 you

00:39:16.640 call

00:39:16.960 now

00:39:17.240 could

00:39:17.420 you

00:39:17.540 pick

00:39:17.780 that

00:39:17.980 up

00:39:18.260 and

00:39:18.480 just

00:39:18.640 have

00:39:19.240 a

00:39:19.340 direct

00:39:19.580 I

00:39:20.940 don't

00:39:21.340 even

00:39:21.480 know

00:39:21.700 if

00:39:21.780 they

00:39:21.900 use

00:39:22.120 landlines

00:39:22.740 in

00:39:22.880 the

00:39:22.980 Kremlin

00:39:23.260 anymore

00:39:23.620 I

00:39:23.920 have

00:39:24.080 no

00:39:24.300 idea

00:39:24.620 how

00:39:24.860 it

00:39:25.000 works

00:39:25.180 but

00:39:25.360 nobody's

00:39:25.860 tried

00:39:26.100 it

00:39:26.220 for

00:39:26.360 years

00:39:26.640 very

00:39:27.080 useful

00:39:27.500 but

00:39:28.280 my

00:39:29.460 uncle

00:39:30.760 had

00:39:31.020 this

00:39:31.300 very

00:39:31.880 interesting

00:39:32.560 relationship

00:39:33.160 which

00:39:33.480 people

00:39:33.740 don't

00:39:34.240 know

00:39:34.620 about

00:39:34.940 with

00:39:35.180 Khrushchev

00:39:35.720 because

00:39:36.140 my

00:39:38.000 uncle

00:39:38.380 didn't

00:39:38.800 trust

00:39:39.280 his

00:39:39.780 CIA

00:39:40.240 he

00:39:40.860 in

00:39:41.040 fact

00:39:41.280 after

00:39:41.860 the

00:39:42.120 Bay of

00:39:42.440 Pigs

00:39:42.700 invasion

00:39:43.160 which

00:39:43.400 was

00:39:43.740 early

00:39:44.460 in

00:39:44.620 his

00:39:44.780 presidency

00:39:45.260 two

00:39:45.600 months

00:39:45.860 into

00:39:46.020 his

00:39:46.200 presidency

00:39:46.720 he

00:39:47.220 realized

00:39:47.800 the CIA

00:39:48.360 had lied

00:39:49.040 to him

00:39:49.360 that

00:39:49.500 they

00:39:49.660 wanted

00:39:50.120 to

00:39:50.520 precipitate

00:39:51.260 a

00:39:51.420 nuclear

00:39:51.680 war

00:39:52.160 and

00:39:53.640 that

00:39:53.800 they

00:39:54.300 had

00:39:55.920 lied

00:39:56.280 to him

00:39:56.620 about

00:39:56.960 the

00:39:57.300 prospects

00:39:57.920 and

00:39:58.120 they

00:39:58.340 knew

00:39:58.680 that

00:39:58.960 the

00:39:59.160 invasion

00:39:59.560 was

00:39:59.800 going

00:39:59.940 to

00:40:00.000 fail

00:40:00.280 and

00:40:00.600 they

00:40:00.740 believed

00:40:01.240 that

00:40:01.480 he

00:40:01.760 would

00:40:02.020 be

00:40:02.260 forced

00:40:02.760 into

00:40:03.140 sending

00:40:03.580 in

00:40:03.800 the

00:40:03.920 aircraft

00:40:05.080 carrier

00:40:05.740 and

00:40:06.300 bombing

00:40:07.380 Castro

00:40:07.900 and

00:40:09.620 doing

00:40:09.840 a

00:40:10.040 US

00:40:10.360 invasion

00:40:10.820 my

00:40:11.100 uncle

00:40:11.500 was

00:40:11.760 absolutely

00:40:12.620 against

00:40:13.520 doing

00:40:13.900 that

00:40:14.200 and

00:40:15.340 when

00:40:16.860 he

00:40:17.240 came out

00:40:18.780 of the

00:40:19.160 meeting

00:40:20.200 the next

00:40:21.060 morning

00:40:21.580 he

00:40:22.520 said

00:40:22.980 to his

00:40:23.520 aides

00:40:23.880 I want

00:40:24.240 to take

00:40:24.600 the CIA

00:40:25.200 and

00:40:25.940 shatter

00:40:26.500 them

00:40:26.780 into

00:40:27.160 a million

00:40:27.700 pieces

00:40:28.220 and

00:40:28.620 scatter

00:40:29.080 them

00:40:29.300 to the

00:40:29.600 wind

00:40:29.880 he had

00:40:31.440 this

00:40:31.600 very

00:40:31.940 hostile

00:40:32.340 relationship

00:40:32.980 with

00:40:33.440 the

00:40:33.640 agency

00:40:33.980 and my

00:40:34.380 book

00:40:34.680 American

00:40:35.080 Values

00:40:35.660 is about

00:40:36.280 this

00:40:36.540 the hostile

00:40:37.580 relationship

00:40:38.060 between

00:40:38.340 the

00:40:38.540 Kennedys

00:40:39.000 and the

00:40:39.280 CIA

00:40:39.580 actually

00:40:40.100 began

00:40:40.480 10 years

00:40:41.100 before

00:40:41.520 when my

00:40:42.000 aunt

00:40:42.320 my

00:40:42.540 grandfather

00:40:43.180 picked

00:40:43.640 a fight

00:40:44.100 with

00:40:45.580 Dallas

00:40:46.060 by

00:40:46.380 he was

00:40:47.520 on a

00:40:47.800 commission

00:40:48.180 that recommended

00:40:49.040 the

00:40:49.500 abolition

00:40:51.280 of the

00:40:51.640 clandestine

00:40:52.280 services

00:40:52.880 because

00:40:53.360 they were

00:40:53.720 causing

00:40:54.100 trouble

00:40:54.580 and blowback

00:40:55.380 all over

00:40:55.800 the world

00:40:56.200 my book

00:40:57.940 is about

00:40:58.360 the 60

00:40:58.860 year battle

00:40:59.440 between

00:40:59.820 my family

00:41:00.660 and the

00:41:01.540 CIA

00:41:01.920 and

00:41:02.880 my uncle

00:41:04.640 had this

00:41:05.060 very hostile

00:41:05.740 relationship

00:41:06.320 with his

00:41:06.740 joint chiefs

00:41:07.560 and with

00:41:08.020 the CIA

00:41:08.500 he had

00:41:09.200 been a

00:41:09.600 soldier

00:41:09.940 himself

00:41:10.380 he didn't

00:41:11.000 trust

00:41:11.360 the army

00:41:11.900 for starters

00:41:13.020 the army

00:41:13.540 brass

00:41:14.100 and he

00:41:15.160 you know

00:41:15.740 he was

00:41:16.080 mistrustful

00:41:16.720 of them

00:41:17.180 and he

00:41:17.860 believed

00:41:18.220 they wanted

00:41:18.680 to make

00:41:19.080 him go

00:41:19.320 to war

00:41:19.760 and he

00:41:20.220 said

00:41:20.660 the primary

00:41:22.680 job of

00:41:23.260 every

00:41:23.560 every president

00:41:24.860 of the United

00:41:25.220 States

00:41:25.580 the number

00:41:26.100 one job

00:41:26.700 is to keep

00:41:27.320 the nation

00:41:27.840 out of war

00:41:29.040 that's what

00:41:29.580 he said

00:41:30.100 what kind

00:41:31.480 of a peace

00:41:31.920 do I mean

00:41:32.620 and what kind

00:41:33.240 of a peace

00:41:33.700 do we seek

00:41:34.420 not a Pax

00:41:36.200 Americana

00:41:36.880 enforced

00:41:38.600 on the world

00:41:39.320 by American

00:41:40.660 weapons of war

00:41:41.540 not the peace

00:41:43.440 of the grave

00:41:44.140 or the security

00:41:45.920 of the slave

00:41:46.780 I am talking

00:41:48.720 about genuine

00:41:49.440 peace

00:41:49.960 the kind

00:41:51.580 of peace

00:41:51.960 that makes

00:41:52.420 life on earth

00:41:53.280 worth living

00:41:54.100 the kind

00:41:55.920 that enables

00:41:56.500 men and nations

00:41:57.240 to grow

00:41:57.920 and to hope

00:41:58.960 and build

00:42:00.340 a better life

00:42:00.960 for their children

00:42:01.620 not merely peace

00:42:03.720 for Americans

00:42:04.340 but peace

00:42:06.080 for all men

00:42:06.680 and women

00:42:07.060 not merely

00:42:08.800 peace in our

00:42:09.540 time

00:42:09.940 but peace

00:42:11.480 in all time

00:42:12.240 and he wanted

00:42:14.280 on his gravestone

00:42:15.960 he wanted

00:42:16.680 when he was asked

00:42:18.280 what would be

00:42:19.220 the epithet

00:42:19.900 he said

00:42:20.380 he kept

00:42:20.980 the peace

00:42:21.540 that that

00:42:22.200 should be

00:42:22.800 what was

00:42:23.720 printed on his

00:42:24.320 gravestone

00:42:24.720 so he

00:42:26.260 he began

00:42:27.860 writing

00:42:28.840 Khrushchev

00:42:29.440 directly

00:42:30.000 after the

00:42:31.740 summit

00:42:32.320 in Vienna

00:42:32.880 failed

00:42:33.300 and they

00:42:35.220 exchanged

00:42:35.820 these 26

00:42:36.960 handwritten

00:42:37.940 letters

00:42:38.580 back and forth

00:42:39.620 from each other

00:42:40.260 that are

00:42:40.560 incredibly intimate

00:42:41.800 and caring

00:42:43.500 and

00:42:44.140 you know

00:42:45.440 show this

00:42:46.080 both of the

00:42:47.780 leaders

00:42:48.180 were surrounded

00:42:49.480 by war hawks

00:42:52.480 who

00:42:52.960 considered

00:42:53.860 nuclear war

00:42:54.760 not just

00:42:55.880 inevitable

00:42:56.320 but also

00:42:57.260 advisable

00:42:58.440 preferable

00:42:59.220 and both

00:43:00.080 of them

00:43:00.400 were struggling

00:43:01.000 against their

00:43:01.840 own military

00:43:03.060 industrial complexes

00:43:04.300 to keep their

00:43:05.040 nations out of war

00:43:05.920 and they developed

00:43:06.740 this very close

00:43:08.840 relationship

00:43:09.460 with each other

00:43:10.140 where they

00:43:10.500 talked

00:43:10.900 intimate

00:43:11.800 details

00:43:12.380 about their

00:43:12.960 families

00:43:13.540 their children

00:43:14.160 about us

00:43:14.980 in these

00:43:16.600 letters

00:43:16.900 and they

00:43:17.200 were smuggled

00:43:18.160 between them

00:43:19.820 by a KGB

00:43:20.940 spy

00:43:21.820 whose name

00:43:22.800 was Georgie

00:43:23.460 who developed

00:43:26.160 who developed

00:43:26.180 a very strong

00:43:27.300 relationship

00:43:27.840 with my father

00:43:28.620 friendship

00:43:29.080 with my father

00:43:29.840 and mother

00:43:30.300 and we loved

00:43:31.300 him as a kid

00:43:32.040 we knew

00:43:32.500 he was a spy

00:43:33.540 he would

00:43:34.340 he was

00:43:34.960 this compact

00:43:36.220 little

00:43:36.960 but very strong

00:43:38.720 Russian

00:43:39.180 who could do

00:43:39.920 the Cossack

00:43:40.580 dancing

00:43:41.120 and he could

00:43:41.760 climb the ropes

00:43:42.760 in our backyard

00:43:43.600 and one of the

00:43:45.680 three times

00:43:46.600 that my father

00:43:47.800 got mad

00:43:48.320 at my mom

00:43:49.340 in her life

00:43:50.240 was when she

00:43:50.840 made him do

00:43:51.540 a push-up contest

00:43:52.660 against Georgie

00:43:53.620 Polshikoy

00:43:54.240 he smuggled

00:43:55.540 these letters

00:43:56.600 in the New York

00:43:57.580 Times

00:43:58.200 folding in

00:43:59.280 between the two

00:44:00.480 men

00:44:00.740 and at the

00:44:02.800 same time

00:44:03.540 and that

00:44:04.140 prompted my

00:44:05.040 uncle to put

00:44:05.820 in a direct

00:44:06.540 line to

00:44:07.540 Grusha

00:44:08.200 so that he

00:44:09.140 could

00:44:09.520 and run

00:44:10.340 his state

00:44:10.920 department

00:44:11.280 and run

00:44:11.820 the spies

00:44:12.460 and run

00:44:13.100 the Pentagon

00:44:13.560 and the two

00:44:14.220 men could talk

00:44:14.900 directly

00:44:15.460 and those

00:44:16.260 phones were

00:44:17.200 in three

00:44:17.880 places

00:44:18.360 in

00:44:18.800 McLean

00:44:20.540 where I

00:44:20.900 lived

00:44:21.280 in

00:44:21.560 Iannisport

00:44:22.440 at the

00:44:23.840 Summer

00:44:24.180 White House

00:44:24.820 where we

00:44:25.200 all play

00:44:25.840 and at the

00:44:27.760 White House

00:44:28.340 and you

00:44:29.880 know

00:44:30.060 it was

00:44:30.460 extraordinary

00:44:30.960 it would

00:44:31.980 be like

00:44:32.580 Biden

00:44:34.020 having a

00:44:34.860 direct line

00:44:35.440 to Putin

00:44:35.920 and being

00:44:36.580 able to

00:44:36.960 talk with

00:44:37.380 each other

00:44:37.820 rather than

00:44:38.600 talk through

00:44:39.240 these

00:44:39.640 you know

00:44:41.400 official apparatus

00:44:42.520 which

00:44:43.020 oftentimes

00:44:43.860 has

00:44:45.080 agendas

00:44:45.840 that are

00:44:46.860 contrary

00:44:47.520 to the

00:44:48.220 best

00:44:48.520 interests

00:44:48.920 of our

00:44:49.240 country

00:44:49.580 I mean

00:44:50.000 I only

00:44:50.420 wish

00:44:50.720 we felt

00:44:51.160 that was

00:44:51.460 the case

00:44:51.740 with Putin

00:44:52.180 now

00:44:52.520 right

00:44:52.740 it seems

00:44:53.060 like it's

00:44:53.500 him

00:44:53.980 and not

00:44:54.560 his

00:44:54.880 complex

00:44:55.760 given the

00:44:56.340 amount

00:44:56.500 of his

00:44:56.760 power

00:44:57.140 over there

00:44:57.680 but yeah

00:44:59.120 your

00:44:59.320 your

00:44:59.800 uncle

00:45:00.420 I love

00:45:00.740 how you

00:45:00.960 just call

00:45:01.400 him

00:45:01.500 your

00:45:01.600 uncle

00:45:01.900 the

00:45:02.260 president

00:45:02.620 of the

00:45:02.800 United

00:45:02.900 States

00:45:03.240 John

00:45:03.440 Kennedy

00:45:03.740 he

00:45:05.380 came

00:45:06.160 by those

00:45:06.560 positions

00:45:06.940 honestly

00:45:07.360 because I

00:45:07.640 read in

00:45:08.000 your book

00:45:08.280 you write

00:45:08.600 that your

00:45:09.520 grandpa

00:45:09.960 his dad

00:45:10.880 Joe

00:45:11.100 Kennedy

00:45:11.380 that his

00:45:12.260 pre-war

00:45:12.620 sentiment

00:45:13.040 this before

00:45:13.660 World War

00:45:14.140 Two

00:45:14.480 was that

00:45:15.440 America

00:45:16.280 should avoid

00:45:16.960 foreign

00:45:17.380 entanglements

00:45:18.060 and you

00:45:19.160 write but

00:45:19.500 World War

00:45:19.880 Two had

00:45:20.260 thrust

00:45:20.660 leadership

00:45:21.240 upon us

00:45:22.240 but you

00:45:23.380 say Jack

00:45:24.280 Kennedy was

00:45:24.760 determined

00:45:25.120 ultimately

00:45:25.480 that our

00:45:25.840 role as

00:45:26.460 an exemplary

00:45:27.020 nation

00:45:27.460 should be

00:45:28.140 just that

00:45:28.560 leadership

00:45:29.080 by example

00:45:30.240 we should

00:45:30.980 perfect our

00:45:31.600 union and

00:45:32.120 model democracy

00:45:33.020 for the

00:45:33.340 nations of

00:45:33.760 the world

00:45:34.040 not force

00:45:34.820 it upon

00:45:35.980 them

00:45:36.360 boy oh

00:45:37.580 boy

00:45:37.840 I've been

00:45:39.040 wondering when

00:45:39.560 I read

00:45:40.100 these words

00:45:40.940 what do you

00:45:41.860 think your

00:45:43.140 uncle would

00:45:43.980 make of

00:45:44.540 what's

00:45:44.940 happening

00:45:45.240 right now

00:45:45.840 with Ukraine

00:45:46.760 and what

00:45:47.380 we should

00:45:47.680 do about

00:45:48.120 it

00:45:48.380 well I

00:45:53.140 don't ever

00:45:54.600 speak for

00:45:55.320 my uncle

00:45:55.880 you know in

00:45:57.080 terms of

00:45:57.740 what he

00:45:58.240 would do

00:45:58.620 on specific

00:45:59.240 policies

00:45:59.900 and I

00:46:00.760 think that

00:46:01.460 you know

00:46:02.040 other members

00:46:02.760 of my

00:46:03.060 family in

00:46:04.020 respect to

00:46:04.760 all of

00:46:05.240 us also

00:46:06.800 avoid doing

00:46:07.600 that

00:46:07.940 but you

00:46:10.100 know what

00:46:10.480 I

00:46:11.160 listen

00:46:12.820 Megan

00:46:13.740 what I

00:46:14.440 think is

00:46:15.280 that we

00:46:15.820 went to

00:46:16.200 the war

00:46:16.520 in Iraq

00:46:17.140 and

00:46:18.740 in 2002

00:46:21.560 2003

00:46:22.440 and it

00:46:24.800 turned out

00:46:25.400 to be

00:46:25.840 and it

00:46:26.240 was this

00:46:26.640 hysteria

00:46:27.680 that Saddam

00:46:28.820 Hussein was

00:46:29.480 a monster

00:46:29.980 we had to

00:46:30.600 get him

00:46:30.980 but there

00:46:32.180 was no

00:46:32.580 real explanation

00:46:33.340 about what

00:46:34.200 the US

00:46:34.680 interest in

00:46:35.500 it was

00:46:36.000 and he

00:46:38.700 had nothing

00:46:39.160 to do

00:46:39.640 with 9-11

00:46:40.880 although we

00:46:41.520 were made

00:46:42.000 to think

00:46:42.420 he did

00:46:42.920 and nothing

00:46:44.440 to do

00:46:44.760 with the

00:46:45.040 anthrax

00:46:45.540 attacks

00:46:45.940 although we

00:46:46.680 were made

00:46:47.060 to think

00:46:47.400 he did

00:46:47.780 and there

00:46:49.420 was no

00:46:50.020 there was

00:46:50.460 a uniformity

00:46:51.560 kind of a

00:46:52.160 propaganda

00:46:52.880 wall

00:46:53.580 that infected

00:46:54.880 all the news

00:46:55.800 organizations

00:46:56.520 what we used

00:46:57.120 to call

00:46:57.420 the yellow

00:46:57.920 press

00:46:58.340 and I

00:46:59.880 think it's

00:47:00.300 really important

00:47:01.180 when we

00:47:01.700 have national

00:47:02.920 policies like

00:47:03.960 this

00:47:04.340 that we

00:47:06.240 look at

00:47:06.680 the nuance

00:47:07.280 and that

00:47:08.540 we allow

00:47:09.580 other voices

00:47:10.740 on the

00:47:12.080 on TV

00:47:14.920 and on the

00:47:15.600 radio

00:47:16.040 and in our

00:47:17.240 newspapers

00:47:17.780 and the

00:47:19.960 Ukraine

00:47:20.500 is an

00:47:21.180 extremely

00:47:22.000 complex

00:47:23.100 geopolitically

00:47:24.160 and historically

00:47:25.060 and in

00:47:26.660 ways that

00:47:27.340 Americans today

00:47:28.440 are missing

00:47:29.140 completely

00:47:29.700 and the

00:47:32.020 people that

00:47:32.900 we are

00:47:33.320 pretending

00:47:33.780 that we

00:47:34.520 are now

00:47:35.040 saying we

00:47:35.740 need to

00:47:36.080 help

00:47:36.420 our

00:47:38.960 you know

00:47:40.200 we know

00:47:41.800 about

00:47:42.280 these very

00:47:43.680 extremist

00:47:44.380 views

00:47:44.820 that are

00:47:45.320 in the

00:47:46.260 Azov

00:47:46.780 battalion

00:47:47.320 etc.

00:47:48.940 that we

00:47:50.500 need to

00:47:50.880 understand

00:47:51.420 and I

00:47:53.220 just think

00:47:53.760 that we

00:47:54.460 should not

00:47:55.360 rush into

00:47:56.560 something

00:47:57.520 without

00:47:58.040 debate

00:47:59.120 without a

00:48:00.080 real debate

00:48:00.880 without

00:48:02.540 locking out

00:48:03.560 alternative

00:48:04.200 voices

00:48:04.740 and about

00:48:05.660 really

00:48:06.100 understanding

00:48:06.760 what the

00:48:07.200 U.S.

00:48:07.700 objectives

00:48:08.080 are

00:48:08.600 and what's

00:48:09.200 best for

00:48:09.600 the world

00:48:09.980 coming up

00:48:13.020 Kennedy

00:48:13.540 on how

00:48:14.140 he tries

00:48:14.700 to raise

00:48:15.160 strong-minded

00:48:16.180 tough

00:48:16.900 resilient

00:48:17.680 kids

00:48:18.180 well

00:48:25.540 and people

00:48:26.320 should listen

00:48:26.720 to you

00:48:26.980 because you've

00:48:27.420 been advising

00:48:28.180 important people

00:48:29.180 like presidents

00:48:29.760 for a long

00:48:30.220 time

00:48:30.500 we pulled a

00:48:31.020 picture of

00:48:31.380 you sitting

00:48:31.800 next to

00:48:32.320 President

00:48:33.100 Kennedy

00:48:33.440 on the

00:48:33.760 airplane

00:48:34.060 and you

00:48:36.780 tell me

00:48:37.240 what this

00:48:37.620 little boy

00:48:38.040 in these

00:48:38.280 cute little

00:48:38.660 gray shorts

00:48:39.400 is telling

00:48:40.160 the President

00:48:40.620 of the

00:48:40.800 United States

00:48:41.180 what's going

00:48:41.760 on

00:48:42.140 that

00:48:42.680 picture

00:48:43.300 on the

00:48:44.000 airplane

00:48:44.500 is coming

00:48:45.440 back from

00:48:46.200 the convention

00:48:47.180 in Los

00:48:48.420 Angeles

00:48:48.820 in 1960

00:48:49.740 and you

00:48:52.080 know he

00:48:52.400 had just

00:48:52.720 been named

00:48:53.160 the Democratic

00:48:53.740 candidate

00:48:54.260 he wasn't

00:48:55.380 yet president

00:48:56.040 he was

00:48:57.560 not yet

00:48:58.000 president

00:48:58.380 he was

00:48:58.880 still the

00:48:59.360 United States

00:49:00.020 senator

00:49:00.440 and if

00:49:01.860 you read

00:49:02.320 is there an

00:49:02.780 inscription on

00:49:03.420 the bottom

00:49:03.880 of it

00:49:04.220 there is

00:49:05.320 I'm trying

00:49:05.760 to read

00:49:06.060 it here

00:49:06.440 to me

00:49:08.080 saying a

00:49:08.660 president

00:49:09.020 gets his

00:49:09.480 advice

00:49:09.880 from you

00:49:10.660 know many

00:49:11.140 sources

00:49:12.040 something like

00:49:13.480 that

00:49:13.780 yeah

00:49:14.260 that's so

00:49:14.900 great

00:49:15.240 you were

00:49:15.860 adorable

00:49:16.360 by the way

00:49:17.060 do you

00:49:17.840 remember

00:49:18.320 like were

00:49:19.540 you do

00:49:19.980 you remember

00:49:20.460 when he

00:49:21.140 won the

00:49:21.600 presidency

00:49:21.960 because you're

00:49:22.460 young

00:49:22.900 yeah you

00:49:23.940 remember that

00:49:24.400 moment

00:49:24.680 of course

00:49:27.220 that was

00:49:27.940 you know

00:49:28.420 I mean we

00:49:29.100 all worked

00:49:29.680 in the

00:49:29.920 campaign

00:49:30.420 I was out

00:49:31.240 in Los

00:49:31.760 Angeles

00:49:32.140 for the

00:49:32.800 convention

00:49:33.340 my parents

00:49:35.960 were really

00:49:36.600 good about

00:49:37.460 involving us

00:49:39.120 and everything

00:49:39.580 and you know

00:49:40.160 we had sit

00:49:40.860 down dinners

00:49:41.500 every night

00:49:42.120 with all the

00:49:42.840 kids and we

00:49:43.620 talked about

00:49:44.120 politics

00:49:44.740 they talked

00:49:45.220 about current

00:49:45.780 events

00:49:46.200 we had

00:49:46.720 from when

00:49:47.160 we were

00:49:47.400 really little

00:49:48.160 we had

00:49:48.600 to read

00:49:48.860 the papers

00:49:49.340 every day

00:49:49.980 write down

00:49:50.700 three current

00:49:51.340 events

00:49:51.740 every day

00:49:52.540 and I

00:49:52.920 turned home

00:49:53.440 I like that

00:49:54.460 and we

00:49:55.880 had to

00:49:56.500 then give

00:49:57.200 talks on

00:49:58.520 the weekends

00:49:59.100 at dinner

00:49:59.880 each one

00:50:00.660 of us

00:50:01.000 did a

00:50:01.320 short

00:50:01.580 talk

00:50:01.960 on

00:50:02.340 political

00:50:02.860 or

00:50:03.520 did a

00:50:04.480 poem

00:50:04.820 or something

00:50:05.240 all 11

00:50:06.060 of you

00:50:06.440 well you

00:50:08.140 know my

00:50:08.540 the family

00:50:09.620 grew slowly

00:50:10.340 they didn't

00:50:11.020 have 11

00:50:11.460 kids all

00:50:12.080 at once

00:50:12.680 come on

00:50:14.960 keep it

00:50:15.400 quick

00:50:15.680 there were

00:50:16.760 seven of

00:50:17.300 us

00:50:17.580 and some

00:50:19.060 of them

00:50:19.380 were young

00:50:19.780 but the

00:50:20.120 older kids

00:50:20.840 were expected

00:50:21.540 to you

00:50:22.380 know do

00:50:22.680 these things

00:50:23.300 and the

00:50:23.620 younger ones

00:50:24.240 gradually

00:50:24.780 didn't you

00:50:25.340 know the

00:50:25.620 thing about

00:50:26.160 my mother

00:50:26.680 and I

00:50:26.960 had I

00:50:27.520 talk about

00:50:28.100 this kind

00:50:29.960 of very

00:50:30.480 tense

00:50:31.140 relationship

00:50:31.680 that I

00:50:32.100 particularly

00:50:32.540 had with

00:50:32.920 my mother

00:50:33.460 for the

00:50:34.660 first couple

00:50:35.540 decades of

00:50:36.120 my life

00:50:36.580 but she

00:50:37.040 was and

00:50:37.840 then afterwards

00:50:38.740 I was able

00:50:40.440 to see

00:50:41.900 you know what

00:50:42.600 an incredible

00:50:43.180 human being

00:50:43.980 she'd been

00:50:44.460 and how

00:50:45.000 particularly

00:50:46.140 when I

00:50:46.480 had my

00:50:46.840 own kids

00:50:47.660 you know

00:50:48.160 and try

00:50:48.660 to make

00:50:49.000 them sit

00:50:49.520 down at

00:50:50.020 the table

00:50:50.460 every night

00:50:51.160 and say

00:50:51.780 their prayers

00:50:52.400 and have

00:50:54.300 you know

00:50:54.720 high level

00:50:55.320 conversations

00:50:56.240 and arrive

00:50:57.080 on time

00:50:57.820 and have

00:50:58.340 their you

00:50:59.020 know their

00:50:59.480 hands clean

00:51:00.140 and all that

00:51:00.660 stuff and she

00:51:01.320 did that every

00:51:01.940 night with all

00:51:02.660 of us and

00:51:03.440 we did it

00:51:04.220 and then we

00:51:05.120 we all said

00:51:06.120 the rosary

00:51:06.760 every night

00:51:08.480 we read the

00:51:09.260 bible every

00:51:10.360 single night

00:51:10.960 we went to

00:51:11.540 church

00:51:11.980 every day

00:51:13.860 in the

00:51:15.420 summer

00:51:15.720 and on

00:51:16.460 sundays

00:51:17.040 the winter

00:51:17.480 as well

00:51:17.940 and you

00:51:20.180 know if I

00:51:21.700 try to do

00:51:22.280 that to my

00:51:22.960 kids

00:51:23.500 then they

00:51:24.060 ridicule me

00:51:25.620 and so I

00:51:27.980 really have

00:51:28.500 tremendous

00:51:28.920 respect for

00:51:29.840 many many

00:51:30.660 gifts that

00:51:31.300 she gave

00:51:31.760 me but

00:51:32.160 you know one

00:51:32.820 of those

00:51:33.160 was just a

00:51:33.880 very rich

00:51:34.680 experience of

00:51:36.020 growing up

00:51:37.120 in a household

00:51:37.860 that had

00:51:38.340 that kind

00:51:38.820 of you

00:51:39.300 know

00:51:39.620 that kind

00:51:41.340 of laughter

00:51:42.000 and fun

00:51:42.940 but also

00:51:43.520 the discipline

00:51:44.360 of course

00:51:45.560 everyone was

00:51:46.120 a democrat

00:51:46.680 now we

00:51:47.140 know that

00:51:47.580 you know the

00:51:48.460 things that

00:51:48.780 we've been

00:51:49.060 discussing that

00:51:49.660 have been so

00:51:50.060 disturbing over

00:51:50.700 the past

00:51:51.000 couple of

00:51:51.360 years have

00:51:52.160 been perpetrated

00:51:52.780 on us

00:51:53.260 almost universally

00:51:54.220 by democrats

00:51:54.980 and you

00:51:56.060 noted it

00:51:56.580 yourself

00:51:57.020 I'd be

00:51:57.980 remiss if I

00:51:58.560 didn't ask

00:51:59.000 you are

00:51:59.760 you still

00:52:00.320 a democrat

00:52:00.800 yeah I'm

00:52:03.660 still a

00:52:04.080 democrat

00:52:04.320 because I

00:52:05.000 think of the

00:52:05.480 democratic party

00:52:06.280 as a party

00:52:08.320 that believes

00:52:08.900 in free

00:52:09.320 speech that

00:52:10.200 you know

00:52:10.660 believes in

00:52:11.300 the highest

00:52:12.060 ideals of

00:52:13.200 our country

00:52:14.020 but I

00:52:15.500 and that

00:52:18.620 is you know

00:52:20.280 a party

00:52:20.700 that is

00:52:21.280 much more

00:52:22.060 reluctant to

00:52:22.560 go to war

00:52:23.080 that opposes

00:52:24.280 the corporate

00:52:24.740 domination of

00:52:25.700 our country

00:52:27.420 and that

00:52:27.900 opposes

00:52:28.560 environmental

00:52:29.080 pollution

00:52:29.600 and those

00:52:30.180 are you

00:52:30.860 know issues

00:52:31.580 that both

00:52:32.580 parties people

00:52:33.480 of both

00:52:33.840 parties can

00:52:34.320 share I

00:52:35.300 I want to

00:52:36.140 say this

00:52:36.720 Megan that

00:52:37.300 I think

00:52:38.620 it is

00:52:40.000 you know

00:52:40.500 one of the

00:52:41.180 intentions of

00:52:42.020 people who

00:52:44.200 are pushing

00:52:44.880 totalitarianism

00:52:46.280 is to

00:52:47.060 encourage

00:52:47.740 tribalism

00:52:48.920 you know

00:52:50.420 and division

00:52:51.340 and if you

00:52:52.800 look at

00:52:53.480 you know

00:52:54.020 the strategies

00:52:54.860 for shattering

00:52:55.840 indigenous societies

00:52:57.180 that the

00:52:58.920 intelligence

00:52:59.320 agencies have

00:53:00.660 developed over

00:53:01.920 many years

00:53:02.540 one of the

00:53:03.080 key strategies

00:53:03.900 is to

00:53:04.540 divide people

00:53:05.180 divide them

00:53:05.680 by race

00:53:06.280 by political

00:53:06.900 party

00:53:07.420 by you

00:53:08.320 know

00:53:08.500 by religion

00:53:09.900 whatever

00:53:10.840 and so

00:53:13.060 you know

00:53:13.740 what I

00:53:14.480 really try

00:53:15.360 to do

00:53:15.780 is I

00:53:16.940 try to be

00:53:17.520 a bridge

00:53:17.960 to try

00:53:18.620 to find

00:53:19.160 the common

00:53:19.620 values

00:53:20.240 that we

00:53:20.660 have

00:53:20.900 we have

00:53:21.480 a level

00:53:22.480 of polarization

00:53:23.160 now in

00:53:23.960 this country

00:53:24.700 that is

00:53:25.180 dangerous

00:53:25.740 if you

00:53:27.280 see that

00:53:28.700 documentary

00:53:30.380 social

00:53:31.240 dilemma

00:53:31.820 yeah

00:53:33.080 it's very

00:53:33.560 frightening

00:53:34.100 because we

00:53:35.000 are being

00:53:35.400 manipulated

00:53:36.080 to

00:53:36.700 away from

00:53:38.340 each other

00:53:38.820 to close

00:53:39.640 the door

00:53:40.060 on each

00:53:40.560 other

00:53:40.780 to burn

00:53:41.340 the bridges

00:53:41.900 and to

00:53:42.380 create two

00:53:42.880 Americas

00:53:43.360 it's the

00:53:44.820 most dangerous

00:53:45.580 polarization

00:53:46.120 that we've

00:53:46.920 had since

00:53:47.460 the United

00:53:47.860 States Civil

00:53:48.540 War

00:53:48.880 and one

00:53:50.520 of the

00:53:50.720 frightening

00:53:51.080 things in

00:53:51.780 that show

00:53:53.320 is that

00:53:54.040 I mean

00:53:54.340 what they

00:53:54.760 show in

00:53:55.580 that show

00:53:56.400 is that

00:53:56.920 these

00:53:57.540 you know

00:53:58.020 Facebook

00:53:58.560 and the

00:53:59.080 other

00:53:59.300 companies

00:53:59.780 have

00:54:00.100 developed

00:54:00.500 algorithms

00:54:01.280 that are

00:54:01.680 designed

00:54:02.000 to keep

00:54:02.460 your eyeballs

00:54:03.120 on that

00:54:03.560 site

00:54:03.860 for as long

00:54:04.320 as possible

00:54:04.880 and they're

00:54:06.060 out of control

00:54:06.700 of those

00:54:07.120 algorithms

00:54:07.620 they set

00:54:08.360 them in

00:54:08.640 motion

00:54:08.960 and then

00:54:10.980 they do

00:54:11.400 things

00:54:11.880 and learn

00:54:12.320 things

00:54:12.840 that nobody

00:54:13.980 really knows

00:54:14.940 how they

00:54:15.280 were working

00:54:15.760 but it

00:54:17.020 turns out

00:54:17.920 that the

00:54:18.600 way that you

00:54:19.220 keep people's

00:54:19.940 eyeballs on

00:54:20.680 the site

00:54:21.140 is by

00:54:21.980 reinforcing

00:54:22.720 their

00:54:23.120 world view

00:54:23.700 by telling

00:54:25.540 them things

00:54:26.220 that they

00:54:26.520 already believe

00:54:27.260 in so

00:54:27.640 if I live

00:54:28.480 in this

00:54:28.800 house

00:54:29.180 and there's

00:54:29.680 a Republican

00:54:30.160 next door

00:54:30.960 and we

00:54:32.480 make an

00:54:33.280 identical

00:54:33.740 inquiry

00:54:34.340 on Google

00:54:35.020 or whatever

00:54:36.000 we get

00:54:37.640 two different

00:54:38.060 answers

00:54:38.520 my answer

00:54:40.080 will

00:54:40.940 reinforce

00:54:42.260 my world

00:54:42.900 view

00:54:43.120 his answer

00:54:44.140 is going

00:54:44.500 to reinforce

00:54:44.860 his

00:54:45.320 and the

00:54:46.620 division

00:54:47.080 the abyss

00:54:47.600 between us

00:54:48.360 gets deeper

00:54:49.000 and deeper

00:54:49.440 and we

00:54:51.540 this is a

00:54:52.100 real problem

00:54:52.720 for society

00:54:53.500 and we

00:54:54.920 have to

00:54:55.320 figure out

00:54:55.960 ways to

00:54:56.800 build bridges

00:54:57.400 with each

00:54:58.140 other

00:54:58.400 so I

00:54:59.340 don't talk

00:54:59.840 so much

00:55:00.260 about my

00:55:00.760 political

00:55:01.120 party

00:55:01.740 anymore

00:55:02.300 I believe

00:55:03.040 in all

00:55:03.340 the values

00:55:03.880 I've ever

00:55:04.380 believed in

00:55:04.980 I'm fighting

00:55:05.540 for all

00:55:06.000 the values

00:55:06.620 and for the

00:55:07.040 vision of

00:55:07.540 our country

00:55:08.140 that I

00:55:09.560 always believe

00:55:10.280 in but

00:55:10.620 I am happy

00:55:11.940 to talk

00:55:13.040 to Republicans

00:55:13.700 who work

00:55:14.380 with them

00:55:14.820 to battle

00:55:16.060 in the

00:55:17.240 foxholes

00:55:18.660 and the

00:55:19.000 trenches

00:55:19.420 side by

00:55:20.300 side with

00:55:20.980 them

00:55:21.260 and Democrats

00:55:23.800 and everybody

00:55:24.340 and I

00:55:24.680 don't

00:55:24.980 ever

00:55:25.540 ask

00:55:26.040 anybody

00:55:26.580 their

00:55:26.820 political

00:55:27.200 party

00:55:27.700 because I

00:55:29.160 think

00:55:29.540 and I

00:55:29.880 used to

00:55:30.720 you know

00:55:31.120 so I'm

00:55:31.400 not saying

00:55:31.960 that it's

00:55:32.300 not part

00:55:33.120 of my

00:55:33.620 you know

00:55:35.080 of what

00:55:35.940 but I

00:55:36.220 think right

00:55:37.020 now

00:55:37.340 purposely

00:55:38.020 I really

00:55:39.040 I think

00:55:40.240 it's so

00:55:40.880 critical

00:55:41.400 that we

00:55:41.960 are talking

00:55:42.860 to people

00:55:43.280 that we

00:55:43.680 disagree

00:55:44.080 with

00:55:44.460 and put

00:55:45.100 aside

00:55:45.620 all these

00:55:46.200 tribal

00:55:46.920 divisions

00:55:47.380 which are

00:55:48.000 destroying

00:55:48.860 this

00:55:49.180 country

00:55:49.560 I love

00:55:50.440 what you

00:55:50.660 said

00:55:50.920 I agree

00:55:51.540 I agree

00:55:52.040 with it

00:55:52.360 wholeheartedly

00:55:53.320 and I'm

00:55:53.900 trying to

00:55:54.540 live it

00:55:54.860 professionally

00:55:55.420 and personally

00:55:56.020 and I'm

00:55:56.900 living it

00:55:57.920 but forgive

00:55:59.660 me for the

00:56:00.120 follow-up

00:56:00.500 but do you

00:56:01.140 think you

00:56:01.460 could vote

00:56:01.820 for a

00:56:02.420 Republican

00:56:02.980 presidential

00:56:03.760 candidate

00:56:04.200 in 2024

00:56:04.880 or do you

00:56:05.920 plan on

00:56:06.300 voting for

00:56:06.660 Joe Biden

00:56:07.020 my father

00:56:08.400 always said

00:56:09.200 vote for

00:56:10.000 the person

00:56:10.820 not the

00:56:11.340 party

00:56:11.640 you know

00:56:13.720 I'm not

00:56:14.580 going to

00:56:14.920 talk about

00:56:15.640 who I

00:56:15.960 vote for

00:56:16.500 what I

00:56:16.860 vote for

00:56:17.400 but I'm

00:56:17.780 not going

00:56:18.440 to you

00:56:19.200 know

00:56:19.440 I

00:56:20.520 I really

00:56:21.660 think it's

00:56:22.260 critical that

00:56:22.940 we

00:56:23.380 become less

00:56:25.780 partisan and

00:56:26.520 that we

00:56:26.840 find common

00:56:27.580 ground that

00:56:28.100 we build

00:56:28.420 bridges to

00:56:29.080 each other

00:56:29.620 coming up

00:56:32.200 Robert and

00:56:33.080 why he

00:56:33.520 believes his

00:56:34.320 father's

00:56:34.820 shooter and

00:56:35.640 the man

00:56:35.900 convicted of

00:56:36.720 his father's

00:56:37.220 murder Sirhan

00:56:37.920 Sirhan should

00:56:39.140 be free

00:56:40.220 when you

00:56:46.840 talk about

00:56:47.400 division and

00:56:48.140 how bad

00:56:48.560 it is

00:56:48.820 now

00:56:49.140 of course

00:56:49.900 I've got

00:56:50.120 to ask

00:56:50.460 you as

00:56:51.160 a man

00:56:51.500 who lost

00:56:51.940 his dad

00:56:52.720 to an

00:56:53.580 assassination

00:56:53.980 in the

00:56:54.460 tumultuous

00:56:54.940 60s

00:56:55.660 Martin Luther

00:56:56.500 King was

00:56:56.880 killed

00:56:57.120 same year

00:56:57.840 President

00:56:59.260 Kennedy

00:56:59.620 also

00:56:59.980 assassinated

00:57:00.520 same

00:57:00.760 decade

00:57:01.200 people often

00:57:02.180 look back

00:57:02.540 at the

00:57:02.780 60s and

00:57:03.260 say you

00:57:04.200 don't know

00:57:04.540 what division

00:57:04.960 is like

00:57:05.540 what we're

00:57:05.820 suffering

00:57:06.100 right now

00:57:06.700 as a

00:57:07.080 country

00:57:07.380 is nothing

00:57:08.540 like what

00:57:09.060 we went

00:57:09.380 through

00:57:09.520 back then

00:57:10.040 and I

00:57:10.260 realize you

00:57:10.580 were just

00:57:10.840 a boy

00:57:11.180 but how

00:57:12.480 do you

00:57:12.700 compare

00:57:13.040 those two

00:57:14.160 eras in

00:57:15.180 terms of

00:57:15.500 the country's

00:57:16.060 division

00:57:16.400 let me

00:57:18.020 you know

00:57:18.540 tell you

00:57:19.120 just a

00:57:19.940 way of

00:57:20.920 answering that

00:57:21.420 question an

00:57:21.960 anecdote from

00:57:22.600 my own

00:57:22.960 life which

00:57:23.380 was one

00:57:23.780 of the

00:57:24.000 most

00:57:24.400 poignant

00:57:25.800 experiences

00:57:27.640 that I had

00:57:28.300 with my

00:57:28.580 father and

00:57:29.080 it took

00:57:29.420 place and

00:57:30.200 I had

00:57:30.480 many many

00:57:31.160 wonderful

00:57:32.000 experiences

00:57:32.600 as I

00:57:33.460 detail in

00:57:33.960 that book

00:57:34.420 but this

00:57:36.720 took place

00:57:37.620 in the

00:57:37.840 days after

00:57:38.420 he died

00:57:38.800 and he

00:57:39.100 was of

00:57:39.500 course killed

00:57:40.340 in here

00:57:41.600 in Los

00:57:41.960 Angeles and

00:57:43.000 we you

00:57:43.860 know I

00:57:44.300 was here

00:57:44.900 holding his

00:57:45.560 hand when

00:57:45.860 he died

00:57:46.300 we flew

00:57:48.300 him back

00:57:48.900 to um

00:57:50.100 to New

00:57:51.460 York where

00:57:52.320 he was

00:57:52.720 senator

00:57:53.120 and we

00:57:55.020 waked him

00:57:55.620 at St.

00:57:56.300 Patrick's

00:57:56.840 Cathedral

00:57:57.200 to a huge

00:57:58.100 crowd of

00:57:58.560 people and

00:57:59.040 it was

00:57:59.260 multicolored

00:58:00.260 people you

00:58:01.520 know every

00:58:02.260 color packing

00:58:03.580 the sidewalks

00:58:04.580 eight to

00:58:05.000 ten deep

00:58:05.640 for you

00:58:06.740 know the

00:58:07.020 entire

00:58:07.400 upper

00:58:07.680 Manhattan

00:58:08.020 and we

00:58:10.240 put him

00:58:10.540 on a

00:58:10.860 train and

00:58:11.800 we took

00:58:12.200 that train

00:58:12.720 down from

00:58:13.500 Penn Station

00:58:14.220 to Union

00:58:14.740 Station in

00:58:15.420 Washington D.C.

00:58:17.020 there were

00:58:17.740 two million

00:58:18.280 people lining

00:58:19.020 the train

00:58:19.480 tracks the

00:58:21.280 train trip

00:58:21.820 that's usually

00:58:22.260 two and a

00:58:22.680 half hours

00:58:23.220 took seven

00:58:23.780 hours because

00:58:24.500 the trains

00:58:25.500 could not

00:58:25.920 move because

00:58:26.560 there were

00:58:26.760 so many

00:58:27.120 people on

00:58:27.600 the tracks

00:58:28.080 they were

00:58:29.640 a cross

00:58:30.140 section of

00:58:30.640 the American

00:58:31.100 public there

00:58:31.820 were black

00:58:32.260 people whites

00:58:33.500 the train

00:58:35.020 stations in

00:58:36.040 Newark in

00:58:36.840 Philadelphia in

00:58:38.080 Baltimore were

00:58:40.340 just jammed

00:58:41.400 with black

00:58:43.660 Americans singing

00:58:44.660 the battle

00:58:45.140 hymn of the

00:58:45.560 republic and

00:58:46.220 holding candles

00:58:47.100 as we came

00:58:47.860 through my

00:58:48.760 father's casket

00:58:49.900 was in the

00:58:50.380 caboose and

00:58:51.660 you know I

00:58:52.500 was riding at

00:58:53.120 the end of

00:58:53.540 the train or

00:58:54.220 sometime in

00:58:54.940 the different

00:58:55.320 cars and

00:58:57.440 there were

00:58:57.980 every religion

00:58:59.260 there were

00:58:59.760 rabbis there

00:59:00.620 were priests

00:59:01.240 there were

00:59:01.560 nuns there

00:59:02.140 were men in

00:59:02.660 military uniform

00:59:03.620 there were

00:59:04.080 hippies tie

00:59:05.080 dyed t-shirts

00:59:05.980 there were

00:59:06.420 boy scouts

00:59:07.600 I remember

00:59:08.540 a group of

00:59:10.040 about seven

00:59:10.760 or eight

00:59:11.140 nuns standing

00:59:12.600 in the middle

00:59:13.140 of a baseball

00:59:13.800 field in

00:59:14.800 Delaware

00:59:15.660 in the back

00:59:18.920 of a

00:59:19.160 yellow pickup

00:59:20.180 truck and

00:59:21.320 there was

00:59:21.620 this incredible

00:59:22.860 array it was

00:59:23.820 a cross

00:59:25.140 section of

00:59:25.800 the American

00:59:26.340 experience it

00:59:27.120 was all the

00:59:27.800 crowds that

00:59:28.720 I had seen

00:59:29.700 in all these

00:59:30.480 political campaigns

00:59:31.660 with my dad

00:59:32.440 and my uncle

00:59:33.080 since I was

00:59:33.680 a little boy

00:59:34.220 and it was

00:59:34.520 a complete

00:59:35.040 mixture of

00:59:36.160 the American

00:59:36.980 you know

00:59:37.740 diaspora

00:59:38.520 and four

00:59:41.300 years later

00:59:41.920 most of the

00:59:42.540 crowd was

00:59:43.020 white because

00:59:43.680 our population

00:59:44.740 was and

00:59:46.520 they were

00:59:46.900 holding signs

00:59:48.120 American flags

00:59:49.520 pray for us

00:59:50.740 Bobby goodbye

00:59:51.680 Bobby you know

00:59:52.720 holding the

00:59:53.620 babies up

00:59:54.380 when we

00:59:56.480 got to

00:59:57.380 Penn Station

00:59:59.580 and Washington

01:00:00.300 and Washington

01:00:01.460 President Johnson

01:00:02.300 met us

01:00:02.900 we took my

01:00:04.520 father up

01:00:05.180 the hill

01:00:05.640 to Arlington

01:00:07.300 we passed

01:00:08.040 the mall

01:00:08.620 and at that

01:00:09.240 time the

01:00:09.780 Poor People's

01:00:10.400 Campaign which

01:00:11.100 had been

01:00:11.360 organized

01:00:11.900 conceived by

01:00:12.620 my father

01:00:13.240 organized by

01:00:15.140 Martin Luther

01:00:15.880 King and

01:00:16.420 Marian Wright

01:00:17.060 Edelman

01:00:17.580 and with

01:00:18.940 thousands of

01:00:19.800 poor men

01:00:20.320 from all over

01:00:20.920 the country

01:00:21.380 they're trying

01:00:21.940 to create a

01:00:22.500 political movement

01:00:23.260 for poor

01:00:24.180 people living

01:00:26.240 in tents and

01:00:27.300 shanties and

01:00:28.260 they all came

01:00:29.060 to the sidewalk

01:00:29.900 they bowed

01:00:31.100 their head and

01:00:31.940 they held their

01:00:32.500 hats against

01:00:33.180 their chests

01:00:33.920 as we went

01:00:35.040 up the hill

01:00:36.000 to Arlington

01:00:36.700 to bury my

01:00:37.500 father next

01:00:39.440 to his

01:00:40.140 brother

01:00:40.520 and

01:00:42.320 and four

01:00:45.420 years later

01:00:46.260 I was in

01:00:47.200 college and

01:00:48.980 I was looking

01:00:49.560 at demographic

01:00:50.140 data from

01:00:51.580 the 1972

01:00:52.500 campaign

01:00:53.240 that was

01:00:53.920 1968

01:00:54.800 Mike

01:00:55.380 was killed

01:00:56.380 in the middle

01:00:56.800 of that

01:00:57.080 campaign

01:00:57.520 four years

01:00:59.440 later

01:00:59.840 the vast

01:01:01.580 majority

01:01:02.080 of those

01:01:02.740 white voters

01:01:03.920 between

01:01:05.460 Baltimore

01:01:07.600 and or

01:01:08.640 between

01:01:09.020 Wilmington

01:01:09.680 and Washington

01:01:10.340 who had

01:01:11.860 supported my

01:01:12.580 father strongly

01:01:14.080 four years

01:01:15.980 later the vast

01:01:16.720 majority of them

01:01:17.500 were voting

01:01:17.920 not for

01:01:18.440 George McGovern

01:01:19.220 who was

01:01:19.720 aligned with

01:01:20.360 my father

01:01:20.860 on most

01:01:21.860 issues

01:01:22.300 but for

01:01:23.560 George Wallace

01:01:24.220 who was

01:01:24.900 diametrically

01:01:26.140 opposed

01:01:26.800 he was a

01:01:27.320 racist

01:01:27.760 segregationist

01:01:29.320 you know

01:01:30.620 the worst

01:01:31.300 kind

01:01:31.620 and

01:01:33.140 and it

01:01:34.960 occurred to me

01:01:35.540 and so

01:01:35.880 the same

01:01:36.400 people

01:01:36.740 that voted

01:01:37.260 for my

01:01:37.660 father

01:01:38.060 were now

01:01:38.580 voting

01:01:38.880 for a

01:01:39.200 guy

01:01:39.440 who

01:01:39.660 believed

01:01:40.160 absolutely

01:01:40.760 the

01:01:41.040 opposite

01:01:41.520 it

01:01:43.300 occurred

01:01:43.700 to me

01:01:44.000 that

01:01:44.300 and it

01:01:44.620 struck me

01:01:45.160 many times

01:01:45.980 since

01:01:46.320 that every

01:01:47.880 nation

01:01:48.440 like every

01:01:49.780 human being

01:01:50.420 has a darker

01:01:51.340 side and a

01:01:52.100 lighter side

01:01:52.720 and that the

01:01:53.260 easiest thing

01:01:54.300 for a politician

01:01:55.140 to do

01:01:55.660 is to appeal

01:01:56.560 to our

01:01:57.000 bigotry

01:01:57.680 to our

01:01:58.120 hatred

01:01:58.500 to our

01:01:59.020 selfishness

01:01:59.900 misogyny

01:02:01.820 to xenophobia

01:02:02.840 and to our

01:02:05.060 greed

01:02:05.600 and anger

01:02:06.500 and that

01:02:08.720 it's much

01:02:09.880 more difficult

01:02:10.460 to do

01:02:10.980 what my

01:02:11.420 father was

01:02:11.960 trying to

01:02:12.380 do

01:02:12.600 which is

01:02:13.100 to try

01:02:13.540 to make

01:02:13.940 us feel

01:02:14.500 like

01:02:14.940 part of

01:02:15.660 a community

01:02:16.340 and we

01:02:17.220 are all

01:02:17.940 on a

01:02:18.300 heroic

01:02:18.820 mission

01:02:19.480 to perfect

01:02:21.220 the republic

01:02:21.840 to make

01:02:22.520 this nation

01:02:23.360 an exemplary

01:02:24.180 nation

01:02:24.660 to make

01:02:25.160 this nation

01:02:25.820 a model

01:02:26.460 for all

01:02:27.120 the other

01:02:27.560 nations

01:02:27.940 what human

01:02:28.880 beings can

01:02:29.520 accomplish

01:02:30.040 from all

01:02:30.760 the races

01:02:31.400 and colors

01:02:32.080 and creeds

01:02:32.840 that are

01:02:33.140 gathered here

01:02:33.960 when we

01:02:35.480 work together

01:02:36.180 to elevate

01:02:37.020 what's best

01:02:37.900 about us

01:02:38.540 and to

01:02:40.140 create something

01:02:41.700 that is a

01:02:42.540 model democracy

01:02:43.440 for the rest

01:02:44.040 of the world

01:02:44.680 and my

01:02:45.740 father was

01:02:46.480 able to

01:02:47.360 get people

01:02:48.100 to see the

01:02:48.860 hero

01:02:49.320 inside of

01:02:50.740 themselves

01:02:51.280 that he

01:02:52.120 believed that

01:02:52.780 each one of

01:02:53.560 us had a

01:02:54.800 hero inside

01:02:55.560 of us

01:02:56.060 and that

01:02:56.560 his job

01:02:57.400 was to

01:02:57.780 bring that

01:02:58.300 hero out

01:02:58.900 and get

01:02:59.360 us to

01:02:59.940 transcend

01:03:02.320 narrow

01:03:03.980 self-interest

01:03:05.020 and to

01:03:07.060 act on

01:03:07.600 behalf of

01:03:08.120 community

01:03:08.600 and to

01:03:09.180 resist the

01:03:11.380 seduction

01:03:11.900 of the

01:03:12.300 notion

01:03:12.640 that we

01:03:13.140 can advance

01:03:13.800 ourselves

01:03:14.320 as a

01:03:14.620 people

01:03:14.860 by leaving

01:03:15.520 our poor

01:03:16.100 brothers and

01:03:16.760 sisters behind

01:03:17.740 and we had

01:03:19.260 to go forward

01:03:19.840 together

01:03:20.280 we had to

01:03:20.880 lift up

01:03:21.380 each other

01:03:21.980 and all

01:03:22.620 be part

01:03:23.080 of this

01:03:23.440 American

01:03:23.920 experience

01:03:24.740 what I

01:03:26.600 think is

01:03:26.940 quite clear

01:03:27.560 is that we

01:03:29.320 can work

01:03:29.920 together in

01:03:30.420 the last

01:03:30.780 analysis

01:03:31.300 and that

01:03:32.080 what has

01:03:32.460 been going

01:03:32.860 on within

01:03:33.320 the United

01:03:33.760 States over

01:03:34.340 the period

01:03:34.740 of the last

01:03:35.200 three years

01:03:35.880 the divisions

01:03:37.080 the violence

01:03:37.960 the disenchantment

01:03:39.980 with our

01:03:40.300 society

01:03:40.940 the divisions

01:03:41.760 whether it's

01:03:42.260 between blacks

01:03:42.860 and whites

01:03:43.300 between the

01:03:43.840 poor and the

01:03:44.320 more affluent

01:03:45.000 or between age

01:03:46.180 groups or in

01:03:46.700 the war in

01:03:47.140 Vietnam

01:03:47.500 that we can

01:03:48.460 start to work

01:03:49.160 together

01:03:49.480 we are a

01:03:49.920 great country

01:03:50.580 and a selfish

01:03:51.320 country

01:03:51.780 and a compassionate

01:03:52.800 country

01:03:53.280 and I

01:03:53.940 intend to

01:03:54.460 make that

01:03:54.900 my basis

01:03:55.540 for running

01:03:56.100 and over

01:03:56.460 the period

01:03:56.840 of life

01:03:57.180 and you

01:04:00.440 know

01:04:00.600 so that's

01:04:01.340 the answer

01:04:01.960 I think

01:04:02.520 to your

01:04:03.860 question

01:04:04.360 that you

01:04:05.140 know

01:04:05.320 we need

01:04:05.960 to start

01:04:06.380 appealing

01:04:06.720 to the

01:04:07.060 best side

01:04:07.660 of all

01:04:08.180 Americans

01:04:08.880 and that

01:04:09.800 and stop

01:04:10.560 looking at

01:04:11.200 their race

01:04:12.340 their religion

01:04:13.660 their political

01:04:15.220 party or

01:04:16.000 affiliation

01:04:16.800 or anything

01:04:17.560 else

01:04:18.000 and just

01:04:18.360 say what

01:04:18.960 do we need

01:04:19.920 to do

01:04:20.220 to make

01:04:20.620 this country

01:04:21.340 you know

01:04:22.040 the best

01:04:22.600 exemplary

01:04:23.400 nation

01:04:23.820 that it

01:04:24.140 ought to

01:04:24.460 be

01:04:25.020 that was

01:04:26.200 so moving

01:04:26.920 hearing you

01:04:27.420 talk about

01:04:27.840 him

01:04:28.080 it takes

01:04:29.140 me back

01:04:29.640 to I

01:04:30.120 was born

01:04:30.540 long enough

01:04:31.500 ago that

01:04:32.220 news about

01:04:33.380 the Kennedys

01:04:33.960 and the way

01:04:34.260 they saw

01:04:34.560 the world

01:04:35.040 and presidential

01:04:35.740 speeches and

01:04:36.380 speeches by

01:04:36.820 Bobby Kennedy

01:04:37.320 were still

01:04:37.800 in the news

01:04:38.480 and they

01:04:39.380 played them

01:04:40.220 often and

01:04:40.940 they were

01:04:41.220 still you

01:04:41.900 know your

01:04:42.780 dad your

01:04:43.260 uncle still

01:04:43.700 symbols of

01:04:44.220 the Democratic

01:04:44.640 Party and

01:04:45.140 what it

01:04:45.380 meant to be

01:04:46.040 a Democrat

01:04:46.480 it's changed

01:04:48.160 so much

01:04:48.580 now as has

01:04:49.560 the Republican

01:04:50.080 Party but as

01:04:51.460 you were

01:04:51.660 talking my

01:04:52.400 producers put

01:04:52.960 on the

01:04:53.580 screen a

01:04:54.580 black and

01:04:54.860 white picture

01:04:55.300 of your

01:04:56.100 dad of

01:04:56.860 Jack Kennedy

01:04:57.420 and of your

01:04:58.200 uncle Ted

01:04:58.620 Kennedy together

01:04:59.280 these when

01:05:00.160 they were

01:05:00.300 younger they

01:05:00.840 were strong

01:05:01.780 robust good

01:05:03.160 looking guys

01:05:03.940 you know

01:05:04.260 brothers standing

01:05:05.780 together getting

01:05:06.440 into politics

01:05:07.040 trying to help

01:05:08.420 the country

01:05:08.780 advance and it

01:05:10.560 reminded me of

01:05:11.320 the way you

01:05:12.660 wrote about

01:05:12.960 growing up just

01:05:13.840 all the cousins

01:05:15.120 was like 29

01:05:16.040 there I think

01:05:16.520 you just said

01:05:16.900 70 but it's

01:05:17.540 like 29 cousins

01:05:18.400 something like

01:05:18.840 that running

01:05:19.240 around I

01:05:20.320 had another

01:05:21.140 you know my

01:05:21.700 mother had a

01:05:22.360 huge family

01:05:23.140 too so they

01:05:23.740 were

01:05:23.840 okay yes but

01:05:27.160 like growing

01:05:28.140 up Kennedy

01:05:28.860 you know they

01:05:30.100 referred to

01:05:30.760 Jackie and

01:05:31.520 Jack as

01:05:32.240 Camelot but

01:05:33.020 you guys had

01:05:33.760 some of that

01:05:34.220 too and

01:05:34.960 like I just

01:05:36.200 wonder I

01:05:36.680 they didn't

01:05:37.180 let you play

01:05:37.920 inside if the

01:05:39.620 sun was

01:05:39.940 shining you

01:05:40.220 had to be

01:05:40.600 outside you

01:05:41.140 had to be

01:05:41.500 playing games

01:05:42.120 and you had

01:05:42.440 to be with

01:05:42.780 each other and

01:05:43.260 it was sort

01:05:44.180 of this seemed

01:05:44.640 like a communal

01:05:45.640 living in a

01:05:46.360 way that too

01:05:48.560 seems to be

01:05:49.160 withering right

01:05:49.980 like our

01:05:50.560 connectedness to

01:05:51.760 one another be

01:05:52.820 it family

01:05:53.460 friends in part

01:05:55.620 thanks to

01:05:56.040 technology can

01:05:57.640 you take me

01:05:58.560 back just for a

01:05:59.560 minute so I

01:06:00.160 can feel that

01:06:00.700 too of what it

01:06:01.480 was like to be

01:06:02.040 connected and be

01:06:02.720 outdoors and not

01:06:03.600 be glued to a

01:06:04.280 phone and be

01:06:05.920 taking risks and

01:06:06.660 being going on

01:06:07.200 boats and be

01:06:07.720 playing football

01:06:08.580 all of it

01:06:09.320 yeah well you

01:06:11.560 that was a pretty

01:06:12.580 good description on

01:06:13.440 that but we

01:06:13.940 were raised

01:06:14.660 immediately with

01:06:15.380 all my other

01:06:15.940 cousins in fact

01:06:16.860 you know we

01:06:18.780 all live in

01:06:19.380 the same

01:06:19.720 town the

01:06:20.800 seaside village

01:06:21.720 hyannisport which

01:06:22.640 is magical magical

01:06:23.900 place and still

01:06:24.860 is my kids go up

01:06:26.860 there every summer

01:06:27.880 and they have

01:06:28.400 over a hundred

01:06:29.300 cousins who are

01:06:30.340 their age and

01:06:31.240 they adore at

01:06:33.840 that point we

01:06:35.060 would migrate from

01:06:36.600 one family house

01:06:37.460 because it was my

01:06:38.400 grandparents had

01:06:39.340 nine children one

01:06:41.460 of them Joe died

01:06:42.260 during the war

01:06:42.960 kicked I had an

01:06:43.880 air crash after

01:06:44.960 the war Rosemary

01:06:46.160 was intellectually

01:06:46.900 disabled all the

01:06:49.360 remaining kids the

01:06:50.400 remaining six kids

01:06:51.940 all had houses

01:06:53.220 essentially next to

01:06:54.960 each other or very

01:06:55.900 close to each other

01:06:56.940 in Iannisport and

01:06:58.840 most of them had

01:07:01.040 large families and

01:07:02.580 we would migrate

01:07:03.460 every night we

01:07:04.720 would eat in a

01:07:05.560 different house so

01:07:06.660 you know on

01:07:07.260 Thursdays we'd eat

01:07:08.320 at Shriver's house

01:07:09.460 on Tuesdays we'd

01:07:12.300 eat at Smith's on

01:07:13.380 Wednesdays we'd eat

01:07:14.200 at John Kennedy's

01:07:15.220 house on the

01:07:16.140 Saturdays we'd eat

01:07:16.940 at Ted Kennedy's

01:07:18.000 on Sundays we'd eat

01:07:19.200 at you know my

01:07:20.140 our house for

01:07:21.160 Robert Kennedy and

01:07:23.700 there was lots of

01:07:24.500 competition between

01:07:25.420 the family you know

01:07:27.220 there was people

01:07:28.780 who were engaged in

01:07:29.420 every kind of

01:07:30.180 competition we had

01:07:31.200 a my grandfather

01:07:32.540 had hired an

01:07:33.340 Olympic swimming

01:07:35.560 coach who was who

01:07:36.980 was an Olympian

01:07:37.920 named Sandy

01:07:39.040 Eilert and he

01:07:40.040 he taught us all

01:07:42.680 sports you know he

01:07:43.860 taught us boxing

01:07:44.760 and and swimming

01:07:49.520 and we had sailing

01:07:51.240 and tennis lessons and

01:07:52.500 all that kind of

01:07:53.100 stuff and we were

01:07:53.840 always competing

01:07:54.680 oh you know but it

01:07:56.720 was a healthy kind of

01:07:57.720 competition I think

01:07:58.700 and it was outside

01:08:00.640 and I think we

01:08:03.020 weren't allowed

01:08:03.800 inside during the

01:08:05.860 daytime even if there

01:08:08.160 was a rain or

01:08:09.260 something we were

01:08:10.080 told you can't

01:08:11.180 come in you got

01:08:12.200 it and there was

01:08:12.840 no TV and you

01:08:14.640 got to figure out

01:08:15.300 a way to you

01:08:16.360 know do something

01:08:17.800 outside so and it

01:08:19.180 wasn't we weren't

01:08:20.060 tempted to go inside

01:08:21.080 everybody wanted to

01:08:22.120 be outside I really

01:08:25.200 am frightened for

01:08:26.340 my kids generally

01:08:27.800 and I raised my

01:08:29.060 kids as much as I

01:08:29.960 could outdoors so

01:08:31.040 that I think they

01:08:32.120 you know they love

01:08:33.200 that and you know

01:08:34.160 I have a kid that

01:08:35.560 just returned from

01:08:36.540 two weeks white

01:08:38.960 water kayaking in

01:08:40.340 Patagonia and he's

01:08:42.120 on his way up to

01:08:43.220 run the I did a

01:08:44.340 ride and all my

01:08:45.500 kids but but the

01:08:48.340 the I really am

01:08:51.940 frightened and

01:08:52.820 concerned about this

01:08:54.600 generation because I

01:08:56.140 think they're you

01:08:57.220 know the technology

01:08:58.440 the cell phones the

01:08:59.680 tick tock the

01:09:00.500 Instagram and the

01:09:03.680 the the kind of

01:09:05.100 self-loathing that

01:09:07.280 accompanies a lot

01:09:10.200 of those addictions

01:09:11.740 is if they have to

01:09:17.040 overcome stuff that

01:09:18.020 we never had to

01:09:18.880 overcome in the

01:09:20.320 life that you know

01:09:22.860 I think that the

01:09:23.980 socialization of these

01:09:25.220 children today it's

01:09:27.740 an it's an addiction

01:09:28.700 you know these devices

01:09:30.620 are designed to

01:09:32.060 addict people and

01:09:33.740 they're addicting

01:09:34.720 themselves to

01:09:35.840 something that is

01:09:36.620 not apparently

01:09:38.600 healthy for any

01:09:40.760 reason yeah and

01:09:43.200 it concerns me a lot

01:09:44.200 but I don't know

01:09:44.700 what to do with it

01:09:45.340 I do you know

01:09:47.200 Megan I think that

01:09:48.560 the Democrats have

01:09:49.880 a really who are

01:09:52.300 advocating censorship

01:09:54.040 the concern they have

01:09:57.060 the underlying

01:09:57.820 concern is a

01:09:58.900 legitimate concern

01:09:59.780 you have because

01:10:02.240 of the power of

01:10:03.040 the social media

01:10:04.060 these you know

01:10:07.280 inflammatory and

01:10:08.600 violent and

01:10:09.620 dishonest

01:10:10.320 characterizations

01:10:11.400 kind of have a

01:10:13.220 way of amplifying

01:10:15.160 on the internet

01:10:15.780 the way they

01:10:17.820 wouldn't do with

01:10:18.820 conventional newspapers

01:10:20.080 or news sources

01:10:21.500 and the the

01:10:23.760 algorithms that they

01:10:24.880 use to keep us

01:10:27.440 on the site also

01:10:29.340 have the the

01:10:32.180 side effect of

01:10:34.400 the fallout of

01:10:36.220 of polarizing

01:10:37.740 opinion and

01:10:39.160 making opinion

01:10:40.300 I think more

01:10:43.420 extreme yeah and

01:10:45.340 and raising

01:10:46.480 passions in a way

01:10:47.720 and I think it's a

01:10:49.920 society we have to

01:10:51.260 figure out how to

01:10:52.040 deal with that we

01:10:53.020 have to figure out

01:10:53.840 some fix but I do

01:10:55.660 not believe the fix

01:10:56.780 is censorship

01:10:57.460 I agree

01:10:58.680 you can censor

01:11:00.140 certain things

01:11:00.840 you can censor

01:11:01.620 pedophilia

01:11:02.320 you can censor

01:11:04.940 um incitements

01:11:06.580 to violence

01:11:07.400 when you get

01:11:09.860 outside of

01:11:11.140 of those and a

01:11:12.400 couple of other

01:11:13.000 narrow categories

01:11:14.020 that you know

01:11:15.200 censorship is not

01:11:16.700 legitimate for

01:11:17.520 any

01:11:17.780 it's really

01:11:19.760 offensive if you

01:11:20.500 think about the

01:11:21.000 fact that these

01:11:21.600 same companies

01:11:22.380 who are silencing

01:11:23.800 your view right

01:11:24.680 they deem your

01:11:25.240 view disinformation

01:11:26.340 are too

01:11:26.880 controversial for

01:11:27.660 youtube whatever

01:11:28.920 it is those

01:11:30.000 are the same

01:11:30.360 companies that

01:11:30.920 spend their days

01:11:31.720 making money off

01:11:32.580 of manipulating

01:11:33.140 us and making

01:11:33.760 us hate one

01:11:34.240 another it's

01:11:35.240 almost like they

01:11:35.740 they claim the

01:11:36.340 moral high ground

01:11:37.120 you know with

01:11:38.080 absolutely no

01:11:38.900 solid footing on

01:11:40.680 which to stand

01:11:41.520 yeah and you

01:11:44.620 know they're

01:11:44.900 making money and

01:11:45.900 they're tied in

01:11:46.540 with the

01:11:46.840 intelligence agencies

01:11:48.080 and they're tied

01:11:50.580 in with big

01:11:51.180 pharma you know

01:11:52.240 google owns

01:11:53.020 three vaccine

01:11:53.840 companies

01:11:54.400 facebook

01:11:55.100 zuckerberg is

01:11:56.340 has a billion

01:11:57.020 dollar invested

01:11:57.960 in vaccines so

01:11:58.980 they're you know

01:11:59.800 and they're all

01:12:01.120 making money on

01:12:02.080 they have

01:12:02.560 partnerships with

01:12:03.620 the big

01:12:03.980 pharmaceutical

01:12:04.560 companies

01:12:05.180 they're inseparable

01:12:07.000 and it's a really

01:12:07.920 dangerous conglomerate

01:12:09.340 because the you

01:12:10.460 know we there's

01:12:11.840 no it's not

01:12:12.840 paranoid to say

01:12:13.920 the intelligence

01:12:14.560 agencies are

01:12:15.360 deeply deeply

01:12:16.400 embedded in

01:12:17.560 these companies

01:12:18.360 and you have

01:12:20.440 the you know

01:12:21.140 you have military

01:12:22.020 application you have

01:12:22.920 huge government

01:12:23.920 contracts you have

01:12:25.120 deals with the

01:12:25.860 pharmaceutical companies

01:12:26.860 and you've created

01:12:27.680 this this

01:12:28.780 government corporate

01:12:30.560 cartel

01:12:32.140 that controls all

01:12:34.580 of our communications

01:12:35.500 and so and it's

01:12:37.040 really really

01:12:38.020 dangerous

01:12:38.760 it really makes you

01:12:39.560 want to disconnect

01:12:40.160 and just go live in

01:12:41.360 the woods just go

01:12:42.300 play outside like a

01:12:43.380 kennedy and don't

01:12:44.240 don't look at any

01:12:45.440 devices just to

01:12:47.400 round back to you

01:12:48.200 guys outside and

01:12:49.100 playing and all that

01:12:50.080 um have to ask

01:12:51.140 you you write in the

01:12:52.760 book uh we built

01:12:54.240 tree houses in the

01:12:55.040 magnolia we played

01:12:55.960 for hours in the

01:12:56.660 hayloft making

01:12:57.440 forts from hay

01:12:58.140 bales we invented

01:12:59.400 our own games mostly

01:13:00.520 involving some

01:13:01.400 element of risk like

01:13:02.580 tag on the roof

01:13:04.080 where we leapt from

01:13:05.480 atop the barn to the

01:13:06.540 tack room tool sheds

01:13:07.500 and horse trailers

01:13:08.100 roofs or onto a

01:13:09.860 neighboring white

01:13:10.580 pine it reminds me

01:13:12.380 of a quote that i

01:13:13.220 read from your

01:13:14.120 grandmother the

01:13:15.320 the matriarch of the

01:13:16.260 kennedy clan rose

01:13:17.460 where you know you

01:13:18.780 never know whether

01:13:19.360 these are real or not

01:13:20.640 but that what was

01:13:21.280 attributed to her

01:13:21.980 was um better

01:13:23.500 broken bone than a

01:13:24.420 broken spirit and i

01:13:26.840 love that it seems to

01:13:28.160 capture her overall

01:13:30.380 attitude if not her

01:13:31.600 actual words but can i

01:13:33.160 ask you about that

01:13:33.720 because um it's it's

01:13:35.340 it's not without its

01:13:35.980 downsides right and

01:13:36.980 and i'm thinking in

01:13:37.740 particular of jfk jr

01:13:39.600 more with robert f

01:13:42.200 kennedy jr next

01:13:43.360 you know a lot of us

01:13:48.600 treasured him and

01:13:50.320 caroline beset and

01:13:51.420 his wife and you

01:13:52.700 know just thought oh

01:13:53.320 my god what why

01:13:54.740 right like why do you

01:13:55.520 have to do it why do

01:13:56.300 you have to fly the

01:13:56.840 plane why do you have

01:13:57.480 to go up in the bad

01:13:58.140 weather and but a lot

01:13:59.900 of people talked about

01:14:00.600 that like is it a is

01:14:02.020 it a blessing or a

01:14:02.740 curse to be a kennedy

01:14:03.600 to have this penchant

01:14:04.620 for risk and this

01:14:05.720 outdoorsman attitude

01:14:08.120 and you know a lot of

01:14:10.080 people felt better about

01:14:10.940 leading a more sedentary

01:14:12.320 life with fewer risks

01:14:13.640 in it how do you make

01:14:14.940 sense of it all having

01:14:15.820 suffered such loss

01:14:16.920 people shouldn't listen

01:14:18.420 to me as a parent the

01:14:19.900 older i get the less i

01:14:22.260 know about parenting so

01:14:23.720 i'm i am not going to

01:14:26.580 give people advice on

01:14:27.680 parenting i mean i can

01:14:28.700 share kind of my

01:14:29.740 experience strength and

01:14:32.580 hope which is that um

01:14:34.380 you know i my my

01:14:38.720 approach to parenting

01:14:39.720 parenting has been um

01:14:41.180 has been to to a really

01:14:44.320 laissez-faire to try to

01:14:45.920 be a good example to try

01:14:47.420 to encourage interest my

01:14:50.740 kids interest in history

01:14:52.160 and um and you know to

01:14:54.780 and values and but also

01:14:57.900 not understand that as much

01:14:59.240 as i love them that god

01:15:00.480 loves them more and that

01:15:02.140 he's uh they're his

01:15:04.260 children and that you know

01:15:06.000 my um role is not to

01:15:08.440 control them but to

01:15:09.540 encourage them and um you

01:15:12.600 know most of my kids went

01:15:14.180 through periods of revolt

01:15:15.880 against me which i welcome i

01:15:18.340 think children you know need

01:15:20.080 to divorce their parents they

01:15:21.520 need to develop their own

01:15:22.800 sense of self they need to

01:15:24.620 develop confidence and they

01:15:26.820 need to be a you know i like

01:15:28.660 when my kids argue with me i

01:15:30.340 have a couple of kids i have one

01:15:32.880 kid in particular who does

01:15:34.160 not he's not completely

01:15:36.020 bought into any of my

01:15:37.400 vaccine you know baloney or

01:15:39.460 whatever so he and he

01:15:41.800 argues with me all the time

01:15:43.100 and i love that i love that

01:15:44.940 you know they can make up

01:15:46.340 their own minds that it's

01:15:47.900 really important that we

01:15:49.960 develop in our country a

01:15:54.040 generation of children who

01:15:56.000 understand the importance of

01:15:57.820 critical thinking and who

01:16:00.720 understand that fear can

01:16:02.900 disable our capacity for

01:16:04.640 critical thinking and we

01:16:06.000 have to resist that you know

01:16:07.820 like

01:16:08.220 franklin roosevelt said the

01:16:11.280 only thing we have to fear

01:16:12.820 is fear itself because fear

01:16:14.440 destroys capacity for critical

01:16:16.800 thinking and we need to be

01:16:18.560 armored against propaganda we

01:16:21.040 need to be armored against the

01:16:23.080 orchestrated fear because if we

01:16:26.180 and so it's it's important to

01:16:27.940 have brave children is important

01:16:29.640 to instill courage and risk

01:16:32.960 taking if we want to continue

01:16:34.300 to have a democracy there was a

01:16:35.760 generation of americans in

01:16:37.760 1789 or 1776 who um you know

01:16:43.340 understood that there's there's

01:16:45.740 uh there's a lot worse things

01:16:47.920 than death there's a lot worse

01:16:49.520 things than time and living as a

01:16:51.620 slave is one of them and that's

01:16:53.880 why they gave their lives they

01:16:56.460 gave their fortunes they in some

01:16:58.860 cases lost their families in order

01:17:02.660 to give us the bill of rights of

01:17:04.240 the united states constitution and

01:17:06.200 you know we have lived off their

01:17:08.440 courage for a couple of hundred

01:17:10.780 years and now it's time that we

01:17:13.500 have to you know renew that

01:17:15.200 commitment to courage again and

01:17:16.980 yes

01:17:17.540 yes there's a new kind of risk

01:17:19.640 taking

01:17:20.000 right you know today today's day

01:17:22.640 and age requires a new kind of

01:17:23.900 risk taking you know you may not

01:17:25.180 be getting in the cockpit of an

01:17:26.960 airplane but just to speak your

01:17:28.640 opinion in today's day and age

01:17:30.300 requires some measure of courage

01:17:32.000 yeah i think so i mean my father

01:17:35.700 always you know my father really

01:17:37.860 admired as i say in my book

01:17:40.240 physical courage and he was

01:17:43.040 surrounded by people like jim

01:17:44.840 whitaker his best friends jim

01:17:46.780 whitaker who was the first american

01:17:48.460 on mount everest um john glenn who

01:17:51.580 was you know the first american to

01:17:53.300 orbit the earth what maybe you know

01:17:56.800 sam have all these football players

01:17:58.780 rosie gear or rayford johnson people

01:18:01.120 who had demonstrated right and a lot

01:18:03.220 of war heroes like gerald trembley and

01:18:05.580 many others

01:18:06.140 they were all in our house all the

01:18:08.960 time and my father had this

01:18:10.880 tremendous admiration for physical

01:18:12.980 courage but he always said that moral

01:18:16.040 courage is an even rarer commodity

01:18:18.480 that you know and ultimately that was

01:18:23.120 you know the reason that my uncle

01:18:24.720 wrote that book profiles and courage

01:18:27.140 and won the nobel or the pulitzer

01:18:28.780 prize

01:18:29.220 was to illustrate you know a dozen

01:18:33.660 stories

01:18:34.460 of american politicians who had

01:18:38.080 sacrificed their careers and in some

01:18:39.920 cases their lives

01:18:41.140 or principle to stand on a principle

01:18:44.020 that they knew was going to cost them

01:18:46.220 and you know i was raised in a milieu

01:18:49.400 where we were taught that it was a

01:18:53.240 great privilege

01:18:54.160 to be able to be part of some great

01:18:58.480 controversy

01:18:59.180 and that the best thing that could

01:19:01.740 happen to us is if we could give our

01:19:04.060 lives

01:19:04.700 and our energies to something that you

01:19:07.400 know was

01:19:08.000 larger than ourselves

01:19:09.280 not just courage but forgiveness was

01:19:12.980 another value i know it was instilled in you

01:19:14.700 because you're catholic um and that brings

01:19:17.960 me to sirhan sirhan the man who killed

01:19:20.860 your dad

01:19:21.320 um on june 5th 1968 uh outside the

01:19:24.900 ambassador hotel los angeles california he

01:19:27.680 was sentenced to life in prison and you

01:19:31.720 and my old pal and colleague from fox news

01:19:34.640 douglas kennedy your little brother um were

01:19:38.960 the two in your family the two of your dad's

01:19:41.400 kids who were as i understand it in favor

01:19:44.580 of him getting parole he was paroled and you

01:19:47.460 supported it but then your other siblings were

01:19:50.540 on the other side of it and the governor

01:19:52.640 newsome

01:19:53.300 he quashed it so he's staying in prison

01:19:57.400 what what convinced you to support the parole

01:20:02.560 of the man who killed your dad

01:20:04.400 well number one even if sirhan had killed my

01:20:09.260 father i would be advocating his parole and

01:20:12.140 my brother douglas

01:20:13.620 is agnostic about whether sirhan killed my

01:20:18.080 father or not but he even he believes like i do

01:20:22.540 that even if he did kill my father he should be

01:20:24.940 paroled and you know to me

01:20:27.200 that is an important personal stand because i

01:20:32.620 think

01:20:33.060 resentments and anger and revenge are uh are

01:20:40.260 impulses that are never um they're never good

01:20:44.860 for you i mean uh resentments are like as

01:20:48.120 they say like swallowing poison and hoping

01:20:50.940 someone else would die

01:20:52.280 it has a corrosive impact on your own soul so i

01:20:57.380 think you know what you what the the better

01:20:59.780 approach to

01:21:00.780 um to people who hurt you is to pray for them

01:21:05.360 to forgive them and then to keep moving but

01:21:07.720 you you know let them live in your head rent

01:21:10.540 free and they are in control of you and only by

01:21:14.140 forgiving them do you escape

01:21:15.660 their control and their influence so i would be

01:21:20.260 advocating even if sirhan didn't kill my

01:21:22.260 father sirhan sirhan did not kill my father he

01:21:25.740 certainly shot at my father um my father and

01:21:30.240 this is what thomas naguchi who was the

01:21:32.380 coroner you know said from the beginning

01:21:34.920 sirhan sirhan was standing in front of my

01:21:39.120 father he was standing in front of a steam

01:21:41.580 table he never got more than less than five

01:21:44.800 feet from my father there were 77 i

01:21:47.600 witnesses in that ambassador hotel kitchen and they all saw what happened which is sirhan fired two shots at my father directly one of those shots went past my father and hit paul shray who was a united audit workers a very close friend of my father he's the man

01:22:08.580 who introduced my father who introduced my father to cesar chavez and one of his closest friends and he today is alive and has been advocating for sirhan for 20 years and he's the one who made me look at the evidence and read the autopsy report against my will

01:22:26.060 and showed me and showed me that sirhan could not have killed my father the second shot that sirhan fired at my father ended up in a door a door jam a wooden door jam behind my father and was later removed by the los angeles police department

01:22:43.540 sirhan was then tackled by six men including rosie george johnson and a number of others and his gun hand was pushed away from my father and but they couldn't he had a superhuman strength and they could not get the gun out of his hand and he fired off six more shots

01:23:06.300 and emptied the chamber and emptied the chamber and all of those shots hit people so we have them all accounted for

01:23:13.980 oh we know what happened to all of sirhan shots and none of them hit my father my father was hit by four shots

01:23:22.620 one that passed harmlessly through his shoulder pad all of them from behind they were contact shots meaning the barrel of the gun was either touching his

01:23:34.120 or within an inch of his flesh or touching his clothing they were fired by somebody who was

01:23:41.960 who was standing immediately behind my father and all the shots were fired on an upward trajectory so the gun was being held against my father's back

01:23:52.740 and the trigger was pulled four times the audio of the night records 14 shots or 13 shots fired so sirhan only had eight shots

01:24:04.020 in his gun and there were many more shots than that fired and he never had a chance to reload

01:24:09.780 the man who killed my father is almost certainly eugene dane cesar who was a security guard and he worked at the

01:24:21.060 lockheed plan he had a classified position he lisa peas her book um establishes that he was a that he identified

01:24:32.180 himself as an agent of the cia the central intelligence agency and he um uh he died

01:24:42.180 at the very beginning of the pandemic in the philippines and he the gun that he

01:24:50.020 had that night was a 22 which he lied about repeatedly he was like when my father died

01:24:57.540 or my father was shot he fell on to caesar and caesar fell back so the two men were lying on the ground

01:25:05.700 and then caesar pushed my father off and got up and he was seen by a dozen people with a gun in his hand

01:25:12.500 and he never denied that he had his gun pulled he said he had pulled the gun to fire at sirhan but that gun

01:25:20.740 was not found and it was not turned over to the police it has since been found and caesar lied

01:25:27.300 repeatedly about what he had done with the gun so there's a lot more evidence it's too much to go into

01:25:34.100 here but if you you know people who are curious about it there are you know many many books about

01:25:41.300 that are written about what happened and uh if the orthodoxy in this case it doesn't make any sense as

01:25:50.500 it does in so many cases that's fascinating um so that i mean that leads me to ask you what you think

01:25:58.020 about your uncle's assassination because that's one of the most speculated about moment in u.s history

01:26:04.500 right i mean from oliver stone right to the warren commission um they concluded it was our inspector

01:26:13.940 senator our inspector uh now god rest his soul uh he uh he used to i knew him kind of on capitol hill and

01:26:21.380 he used to say it's not the single bullet theory it's a single bullet conclusion that's what happened

01:26:27.540 single bullet it was uh lee harvey oswald and only lee harvey oswald where do you land on it

01:26:35.460 well that was the warren commission and the warren commission of course that he was on the this

01:26:40.420 the key commissioner was alan dulles and alan dulles of course was the head of the cia who my uncle had

01:26:49.140 fired after the bay of pigs um and he we now know that he was deliberately and this is not controversial

01:26:59.860 this is well established he was deliberately steering the committee away from many facts that would have

01:27:09.300 been that would have implicated the cia including the fact that lee harvey oswald was a cia asset beginning

01:27:17.620 in 1958 when he worked as a radar operator at the atasui air force base in japan um which was the cia base

01:27:28.580 that was where the he was a marine where the um where the u2 flights were based out of that were over the

01:27:37.380 soviet union he defected to the soviet union it was a fake defection it was a it was a dangle um

01:27:45.540 um they it was orchestrated by james jesus angleton and langley who was the head of counterintelligence in

01:27:54.660 langley meaning the division of the cia that looks for russian spies spies and there was a c there was a

01:28:03.380 kgb mole and langley for many years to this day it's not identified and they were trying to

01:28:11.780 track a chase out that mole and leave a thought that when lee rb oswald defected

01:28:20.020 angleton believed that mole that the kgb would wonder who he was and would ask the mole to check

01:28:25.860 his file and they had a trigger system on his file and langley that would identify anybody who touched

01:28:32.500 it but they weren't able to do it and and oswald came back without any punishment without even being

01:28:38.820 debriefed by the state department he simply he had made a very very high profile defection to russia

01:28:44.900 he married a daughter of a kgb colonel and then just walked into the state department said i want to go

01:28:51.940 home they bought his ticket they gave him six hundred dollars he was met at the airport in dallas by a

01:28:59.140 guy called jorge march all who was also working for the agency an agency asset and and you know

01:29:07.060 they're in you talk about the warren commission findings but the united states congress assassination

01:29:14.020 committee is investigated and the senate did a new investigation five years after the warren commission

01:29:21.780 and they came to the opposite conclusion that it was indeed a conspiracy they didn't know whether the

01:29:27.860 conspirators who actually murdered my uncle were mafia or with the cia there was a split within the

01:29:36.580 committee uh you know the warren commission is i was working on very little knowledge that was heavily

01:29:43.700 orchestrated and the subsequent investigations and now we have millions of documents

01:29:48.500 that you know uh that suggest a strong involvement by the agency coming up hmm he said nothing was off

01:30:00.660 limits so i went there and asked him point blank about the rumors about his father his uncle and marilyn monroe

01:30:08.740 wow i mean how does that sorry to go oprah on you but how does that make you feel that you got you know you

01:30:21.700 believe the cia was responsible for the assassination of two men who are so dear to you

01:30:26.580 when you ask me how does it make you feel how does it make me feel um

01:30:38.580 it's hard for me to separate my feelings from the you know from the kind of um

01:30:47.220 from the larger issue about what the implications are for our country and for our democracy yeah that

01:30:53.300 these are murders that you know whether i'm right or wrong about them we should be able to talk about

01:30:59.700 them we should be able to reason we shouldn't be again shut down and censored the people ought to be

01:31:05.300 able to have a congenial conversation about these and if the original verdicts do not make any sense

01:31:13.940 and let's have an investigation and what happened because our country took a turn when my uncle was killed

01:31:20.180 you know when i was a boy when i was on my sixth birthday or seventh birthday

01:31:28.180 dwight eisenhower january 17 1961 made what i would consider the most important speech in american history

01:31:36.900 where he warned our country against the rise of the military industrial complex and the subversion of

01:31:45.220 democracy through its ascendancy of this corrupt um cartel of intelligence agencies the military

01:31:56.420 agencies military contractors and other people who are attached to the military industrial complex

01:32:03.460 in the councils of government we must car guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether

01:32:10.500 sought or unsought by the military industrial complex the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power

01:32:18.500 exists and will persist my uncle took office two days later it was a farewell speech for eisenhower and he said

01:32:31.860 this is the most important issue of the enemy within it's you know not the people from outside our country but

01:32:38.260 people within and he talked also about the health agencies and the health cartel but very very explicitly

01:32:45.700 and presciently and my uncle spent three years of his presidency battling the military industrial complex and in the end

01:32:55.940 and if the conclusions of those you know that subsequent committee of the assassinated health assassinations committee

01:33:06.020 are correct and it was members of that cartel that killed him and if that's true

01:33:14.100 um we should be trying to resolve that still because at that point so what happened when he died he had

01:33:23.460 two months before he died he had signed national security order ordering all of our troops out of vietnam

01:33:30.660 ending the vietnam war the first thousand troops there were 1100 troops at 11 000 troops and the first thousand

01:33:37.220 would be out by december the remainders would all be out within 12 months but the end of 1965 or by the beginning of 1965

01:33:49.860 he as soon as he died linton and johnson by the way my uncle's been fighting for three years his own

01:33:58.660 military intelligence apparatus who wanted to send a quarter million troops into vietnam and make it our

01:34:03.860 war and he said no there's the vietnamese war they have to win it or lose it we can help them we can give

01:34:10.260 them advisors we can give them helicopters but we are not going to fight the war for them sounds familiar

01:34:15.540 and johnson came in and immediately he said we had the talking on golf resolution

01:34:25.940 he sent a quarter million troops in there and it became the american war and then after johnson my

01:34:33.540 father ran specifically against the war specifically against the military industrial complex he won california

01:34:41.940 and that meant he was almost certainly going to win the convention and he had already beat nixon once

01:34:51.460 he beat nixon he was my his brother's campaign manager in 60 he beat humphrey who was his only other

01:34:58.820 opponent real opponent eugene mccarthy was not a serious candidate he he would have beaten he'd already

01:35:06.340 beaten humphrey in 1960 and he'd already beat nixon in 1960 so he was on his way to the white house

01:35:11.860 he had a clear path to the white house when he was murdered and he was specifically running against

01:35:17.700 the vietnam war and against the military industrial complex as soon as he was killed

01:35:23.700 nixon comes in and sends a half a million troops over there and then fights until 1963 when my uncle left

01:35:31.540 office 75 american special forces advisors had been killed in vietnam by the time nixon left 56 000

01:35:39.540 american troops and millions of vietnamese had died in that conflict and the military industrial complex

01:35:46.420 had to get more and more powerful and um and then you know you look at the rest of american history and

01:35:53.460 it's just a it's a battle between this dwindling impulse for a democracy

01:35:58.340 and the growing power of this cartel and i think you know the murders of my uncle and my father were

01:36:09.060 key parts in that that turn that we made in the road and that part of unraveling that restoring the path

01:36:16.900 to democracy and the control over these these dangerous dangerous um forces you know probably ought

01:36:26.420 to begin with a real investigation of both of those murders a real investigation for the first time

01:36:31.380 in history indeed indeed what what could it hurt what would be the reason not to um on the subject of

01:36:39.140 everything's okay to talk about so forgive me because this is i realize in politic um can we spend one

01:36:44.980 minute on marilyn monroe happy birthday to you happy birthday to you

01:37:00.100 there's not much i can tell you about marilyn monroe i mean i met her when the rumors are that she had

01:37:04.900 an affair with your dad that she had an affair with your uncle and even possibly that your dad was somehow

01:37:11.620 there the night she died out in california yeah well those are um rumors that have been time and again

01:37:19.380 proven completely untrue there's two days my father's schedule every minute of his day is known so people

01:37:30.420 know where he was every moment of the day and it happens that the day that they say that my father you know

01:37:36.340 that these people who are selling books saying these things the day that they say my father was with her

01:37:46.020 he was with us at a camping trip up in oregon and in northern california and it would have been impossible

01:37:52.980 for him to be here though that was the day that she died oh and all the days that people that these authors

01:38:01.300 who are just bogus authors have suggest who are making money by you know saying these things

01:38:10.580 all the days that they claim that my father could have been with marilyn monroe are days when we know

01:38:15.700 exactly where he was and he was on opposite sides of the country from marilyn monroe what do you make of the

01:38:22.500 affair rumors of you know between bobby kennedy and or jack kennedy and marilyn monroe yeah i

01:38:29.300 again all of the rumors about the affair you'd have to find a time where he could have had an

01:38:36.980 affair and there is no conceivable time when the two people are in the same city so there's always a

01:38:43.780 way when a man wants to have an affair he can find a like come on there's that i'm talking about my

01:38:48.740 father we know where he was on all the day you know the the authors claim to know the days and you'd

01:38:55.700 have to know the day because my father's schedule was known he was on the main trail what about all

01:39:00.900 jack kennedy's affairs like we you know we know he did that even though the new york times wasn't

01:39:04.660 writing about it washington post i listen i wasn't around and so i can't answer that question i can't

01:39:14.340 answer the question about my uncle you were talking to him about salamanders on the plane not his love

01:39:19.620 life that makes sense to me talking about his his um extracurricular yeah there was only so much he

01:39:28.900 was going to share with you uh on board that air force i get it listen i i don't know how to thank

01:39:35.700 you for all this time here we are four hours later and you've just been so open and giving on every

01:39:41.700 subject personal and professional i really really enjoyed the exchange and i hope we can have more

01:39:47.380 more thank you very much thanks for your courage megan thank you for your integrity and i uh hope

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 22, 2022

The JFK Assassination, Growing up Kennedy, and His Marriage ｜ Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Interview, Part 2 ｜ Ep. 283

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