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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:37.820 Today, reaction and analysis of the final presidential debate before voting day.

00:00:42.880 The candidates, the moderator, and the state of the race.

00:00:46.020 We've got Eric Bolling of America This Week, very excited to have him here,

00:00:49.200 and Crystal Ball, along with Sagar and Jetty of The Hills, rising.

00:00:52.880 Break it all down.

00:00:57.200 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:00.240 Today, we have a full reaction to last night's presidential debate, the last one before voters

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00:02:42.040 And joining me now is the EP of The Megyn Kelly Show, Steve Krakauer, who is not only my

00:02:47.240 EP, but a media critic who's running the media website or the media newsletter called Fourth

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00:02:57.840 Steve, last night's debate, I thought, was by far Trump's best debate that I've ever seen

00:03:03.840 him in.

00:03:04.680 He wasn't as fiery as he normally is.

00:03:06.360 I think some of his viewers, his fans may miss that version of him, but he was on point.

00:03:11.820 He was substantive.

00:03:12.800 He was in control.

00:03:13.940 He seemed presidential.

00:03:15.440 He was respectful.

00:03:16.960 He was sort of that version of Trump that the Republicans who were on the fence about

00:03:22.440 him because of his personality had always wished they could have, but, you know, have seen

00:03:27.560 too many rare glances of, too few rare glances of.

00:03:30.500 And I think as a result of all of that and the fact that Joe Biden really wasn't much

00:03:36.260 of a player last night, Trump won and handily.

00:03:40.320 Right.

00:03:40.600 I think, you know, it was pretty telling.

00:03:42.480 Van Jones on CNN after the debate described it as Donald Trump's best debate ever as well,

00:03:48.320 although he was doing it in the context of how low the bar was for him.

00:03:51.900 Look, I think that if we're going away talking about Donald Trump after this debate and, you

00:03:57.580 know, that it was his best debate, clearly, you know, that is that is significant for

00:04:01.320 the race.

00:04:01.680 Now, will it make a difference?

00:04:02.660 I guess we'll see.

00:04:04.080 But but I think that there is that that sentiment certainly resonated.

00:04:07.520 I would say, you know, today and on last night, you've you've been trending on Twitter

00:04:11.760 because of your take on the debate, saying that this that Trump won handily.

00:04:16.380 I believe Donald Trump retweeted you as well on that sentiment.

00:04:19.900 Look, I think that this was compared to the first presidential debate, which I guess is

00:04:24.880 the only one that we could compare it to in this cycle.

00:04:27.280 It was night and day.

00:04:28.880 I mean, it was just it felt completely different and certainly significantly better for, you

00:04:33.680 know, really for both candidates, but definitely for Donald Trump.

00:04:35.600 Clearly, clearly Trump had received information that his performance in the first debate did

00:04:39.660 not win him any fans amongst the groups he needs to persuade seniors and suburban moms.

00:04:45.740 And, you know, his core supporters love him and they love him really in any form.

00:04:49.000 But he needed to make some inroads with those voters.

00:04:51.080 And clearly he listened.

00:04:52.460 The guy wants to win.

00:04:54.500 Sometimes I've wondered, right, when he tweets out things like when he calls Kamala Harris

00:04:58.240 a monster, I think, does he really want to win?

00:05:00.160 Why would he say that?

00:05:01.060 Like, why go there?

00:05:02.540 But he does want to win.

00:05:03.860 And he had it together last night.

00:05:05.740 I thought it was funny that I trended just for saying he clearly won.

00:05:08.520 He won.

00:05:09.180 He was in control and so on.

00:05:10.400 People are so they're so blinded by their Trump derangement syndrome.

00:05:14.340 They really can't see him clearly.

00:05:16.040 And they're so shocked when you offer just objective analysis.

00:05:20.240 Like, yes, I've had my dust ups with Donald Trump.

00:05:22.700 It's not personal.

00:05:23.860 I've got nothing against Trump.

00:05:25.220 I people can't understand it.

00:05:27.220 They're they're offended.

00:05:28.740 I'm not offended by him.

00:05:30.240 They're offended.

00:05:31.020 I can see when he does well.

00:05:33.080 You know, at B list actresses like Patricia Arquette and I'm kind with the B grade are directly

00:05:39.500 tweeting to me like, have you have you hurt yourself?

00:05:42.300 If you have some sort of a, you know, head head problem, I just have clear eyes on the

00:05:46.920 guy.

00:05:47.340 I can see when he falls down and I can see when he does well.

00:05:49.520 And last night he did well.

00:05:51.140 And I actually think it is going to change his whole trajectory.

00:05:54.280 I actually think his polls are better than they're showing than they seem.

00:05:58.900 Yeah.

00:05:59.000 But I guarantee you he did himself favors with those two groups last night.

00:06:02.840 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 I mean, well, that there's that's the point.

00:06:04.980 There's so much clarity to, you know, the analysis.

00:06:08.880 Right.

00:06:09.020 Like the there's an objectivity to it.

00:06:11.640 I think if people can say this was Donald Trump's best debate ever, but oh, you know,

00:06:15.880 it's such a it's we're talking about, you know, such a low bar and like you can't step

00:06:22.420 back and say if this was his best debate ever, this is clearly going to help him.

00:06:25.880 There's no ability now with the, you know, hashtag resistance media or even, you know,

00:06:30.740 certainly on Twitter to be able to do that.

00:06:32.740 You know, it's like what were the takeaways from last night's debate?

00:06:35.360 It feels to me like it was Biden checking his watch and it was who built the cage.

00:06:39.020 Joe, and those are both bad for Joe Biden.

00:06:41.440 So I don't know.

00:06:43.500 I think it's actually my own view is it's going to be oil and amnesty.

00:06:48.600 I mean, it's basically like, yes, I'm closing down the oil industry, which Joe Biden said

00:06:54.060 in a moment where he clearly had just gotten tired and I guess decided to give up the gig.

00:06:59.860 You're like, yeah, you know, I'm going to close down oil.

00:07:02.720 And within 100 days, I'm going to I'm going to implement amnesty.

00:07:07.100 But we'll get to that in a minute.

00:07:07.960 I want to talk more about the process last night because I thought, you know, Kristen

00:07:12.320 Welker did a fine job.

00:07:13.960 She was from NBC and I thought she did well.

00:07:17.360 I do think I have to say it was it was biased.

00:07:20.500 I mean, I just think the topic selection from these moderators tends to lean left.

00:07:23.940 And if you look at the actual numbers, she corrected Donald Trump all the time.

00:07:28.680 She almost never corrected Joe Biden.

00:07:30.920 She had 13 follow ups to Trump, six to Biden.

00:07:34.040 She interrupted Donald Trump 41 times, eight times for Joe Biden.

00:07:39.560 Like that's the kind of stuff that will drive Republicans nuts.

00:07:43.460 And I felt it a little myself just because whenever Trump would get on a roll, she'd jump

00:07:49.300 in.

00:07:49.500 That's how it felt like whenever he started to really let her loose or start hammering

00:07:53.880 Biden on a point, it felt like she stepped in to save Biden.

00:07:57.740 Having said all that, I still give her a thumbs up.

00:08:00.280 It's hard to be out there and make sure it's perfectly even.

00:08:03.380 But I understand the claims of bias that some are leveling.

00:08:06.840 Yeah, I'm not sure you're going to get much better.

00:08:09.100 You talk about low bar with the you know, any legacy media outlets like an NBC, CBS, ABC

00:08:15.400 for a moderator at this point when it comes to Donald Trump four years in.

00:08:19.700 I thought she did a pretty good job as well.

00:08:21.720 I see exactly what you're saying.

00:08:23.440 But, you know, you compare that to, say, some of the other experiences like, for example,

00:08:29.080 a 60 minutes of raw footage that we saw.

00:08:31.980 I think that there was it was it was at least approaching fairness in ways that we don't

00:08:36.720 normally see with some of the media interviews.

00:08:38.780 I agree.

00:08:39.420 And she she was a pro.

00:08:41.040 You know, she was composed.

00:08:42.280 She was in control.

00:08:43.740 She was a pleasure to listen to.

00:08:46.180 You know, it was like contrast that to the town hall that Savannah did with Trump, where

00:08:50.800 she sounded kind of whiny.

00:08:53.120 She sounded kind of like a little like teenager at times and was not projecting authority,

00:09:00.060 which I think matters.

00:09:00.920 I think especially it matters for a female moderator, to be honest.

00:09:04.060 But anyway, I thought overall she did well.

00:09:06.120 And, you know, a couple of things she could work on before the next time.

00:09:08.960 But I hope there is next time for her, because I thought as the options go, she was a great

00:09:12.920 one.

00:09:14.300 Let's talk about the 60 minutes thing, because Trump is going on 60 minutes this Sunday.

00:09:18.580 And he he decided to tape his own appearance with an iPhone prior to the show and decided

00:09:28.680 to release the entire 37 minute interview with Leslie Stahl, which was fascinating.

00:09:36.060 I I couldn't believe like I watched it.

00:09:39.780 And I have to tell you, I couldn't believe how Leslie Stahl conducted herself as a journalist

00:09:45.740 who only sees the end product of Leslie Stahl on 60 minutes.

00:09:49.440 I thought she was going to be so much more composed.

00:09:52.940 She sounded like a whiny, petulant, unprepared, like newbie reporter in the tape.

00:10:02.980 And my number one take, with all due respect to this woman, was the producers at 60 minutes

00:10:08.580 are so much better than I thought they are, right?

00:10:11.960 Because they're the ones responsible for making her look good in the end product.

00:10:14.600 Exactly.

00:10:14.940 We've got a 37 minute interview that was, you know, the raw footage that was dropped

00:10:19.700 on Trump's Facebook page, 12, 15 minutes.

00:10:22.800 We'll see the light of day on Sunday night.

00:10:24.660 So, yeah, I think there's a lot of process that goes into the edit.

00:10:27.600 I think what you said about unprepared was completely my takeaway as well, you know, because Trump

00:10:32.220 dropped it and said, oh, look at the bias and hatred of Leslie Stahl.

00:10:35.100 I didn't really necessarily see hatred in it.

00:10:37.320 What I saw was someone who came in was not really interested in substantive questions and was

00:10:41.700 not certainly prepared to have a substantive exchange back and forth.

00:10:45.580 There were times that Trump was trying to contextualize things like the coronavirus crisis.

00:10:50.460 OK, well, if you look at it this way, all she wanted to say was the numbers are up.

00:10:54.040 She actually said, can you just say the numbers are up?

00:10:56.140 It's like, well, that's not an interview tactic.

00:10:59.100 That's not someone who comes in who has a real handle of the topics that they're approaching.

00:11:04.460 I know.

00:11:05.560 And really what he was trying to say is the the numbers of, you know, we're testing more

00:11:10.980 and therefore, of course, you're going to have higher numbers.

00:11:14.540 That's what he's trying to say.

00:11:15.180 But she just wanted to get her soundbite.

00:11:16.660 Right.

00:11:16.980 And the exchange she had with him over masks, like it was so frustrating to me because she

00:11:22.540 was so whiny about it.

00:11:23.980 Like, but you why don't you tell the crowds to wear the masks?

00:11:28.500 They'll listen to you.

00:11:30.280 You you're very powerful.

00:11:31.900 Why don't you tell them to wear the mask?

00:11:33.880 And Trump just kept saying, some wear the masks, some wear the mask.

00:11:37.880 And you wanted him to say, Leslie, I'm not their daddy.

00:11:41.720 They understand that masks are supposed to help prevent the virus.

00:11:47.240 People are individuals and they have the ability to make their own decisions.

00:11:51.760 And I am not the mask enforcer in chief.

00:11:55.000 She was so whiny about it.

00:11:56.520 I was like, oh, my God, you sound like like my toddler used to.

00:12:00.840 But the whole thing about the how honestly it just came across like she was looking down

00:12:06.380 on the supporters of Donald Trump also.

00:12:08.300 I mean, she actually got fact checked by Newsweek already as a mostly false statement about what

00:12:13.040 she was going about, how Trump was encouraging his supporters to chant lock her up about Gretchen

00:12:18.380 Whitmer, which is completely not true.

00:12:20.780 That was called out on that.

00:12:22.120 It's a bad sign when before the interview airs, media outlets are fact checking you as

00:12:27.200 the interviewer.

00:12:27.980 Yeah, right.

00:12:29.140 Well, there was there were a couple of moments that jumped out to me where he says about Biden,

00:12:33.440 he's in the middle of a scandal right now.

00:12:35.360 And she says, no, he's not.

00:12:37.940 And I thought, OK, this is so meta, because the reason if he's if Biden's not in the middle

00:12:44.740 of a scandal right now, it's because of reporters like Leslie Stahl, who refuse to cover what has

00:12:50.660 broken about Joe and Hunter Biden over the past week.

00:12:53.660 The media is complete blackout of the story, which, of course, they never would have done

00:12:57.740 if this had been a Trump story.

00:12:59.440 And so she dismisses it right out of hand as no, it's a nothing.

00:13:04.200 The second point was 60 released a promo clip of their interview where he says, I created

00:13:13.320 prior to covid the greatest economy the country's ever seen.

00:13:15.900 And she says, you know, that's not true.

00:13:19.060 And that's how they phrase it.

00:13:20.900 Like, there she is, like correcting Trump on his lies.

00:13:24.760 And then you see the raw.

00:13:27.340 And it was embarrassing for her.

00:13:29.620 It has him saying it created the greatest economy.

00:13:31.980 Her saying, you know, that's not true.

00:13:34.580 Trump then doubles down and says it is true and starts to rattle off a couple of stats.

00:13:39.760 And then she says, well, I'm not going to fact check you right now.

00:13:45.640 But but she had tried.

00:13:47.700 She had tried to fact check him, check him.

00:13:49.840 And when he wouldn't back down, she didn't have her facts.

00:13:53.040 She was unable to do it.

00:13:55.360 And she looked bad.

00:13:57.140 Right.

00:13:57.300 It was it was a stylistic fact check and not a substantive fact check.

00:14:00.360 It was like, you know, it's not true.

00:14:01.860 Everyone knows.

00:14:02.520 OK, let's move on.

00:14:03.980 Yeah, it's even the Hunter Biden stuff.

00:14:06.240 When she goes, that can't be verified.

00:14:09.380 And he goes, well, why not?

00:14:10.420 And she goes, because it can't be verified.

00:14:12.200 It's like, that's your that's your story.

00:14:14.220 That's your line.

00:14:14.940 That is that the only thing that you have written down here is I can't be verified.

00:14:18.800 Right.

00:14:19.280 It was it was just empty calories.

00:14:21.340 She wanted to sound tough for the 60 minutes exchange that we're going to see on Sunday,

00:14:26.040 but didn't have her facts.

00:14:28.080 She couldn't actually make the case.

00:14:29.720 Clearly, Leslie Stahl was waiting for the producers of 60 minutes to give her facts that she could then

00:14:34.800 track in the anchor booth for the final piece.

00:14:37.660 So she would sound like she knew what she was talking about.

00:14:40.040 But it boy, did the mass come down when you saw the actual back and forth.

00:14:43.620 It was a single tear for me because, you know, she's been a strong journalist.

00:14:48.200 But when you we see what really goes on, it didn't make me feel good.

00:14:53.400 OK, wait, I have to ask you something.

00:14:54.920 OK, on the subject of there's there's no scandal and because we just can't verify

00:15:02.520 in any of the laptop contents, you know, this is the Hunter Biden scandal.

00:15:06.540 NPR is under fire today by some some on the right, because a reader, a listener of NPR

00:15:13.440 wrote in and said, why aren't you guys covering this?

00:15:17.080 Like what?

00:15:17.760 You're a news organization.

00:15:18.820 Why aren't you covering this?

00:15:19.600 And they responded online saying because, quote, we don't want to waste our time on stories that

00:15:28.520 are not really stories that are pure distractions.

00:15:32.040 And the assertions here just don't amount to much.

00:15:36.720 Now, this is a this is a taxpayer funded news organization that has explicitly said here this

00:15:45.060 is a waste of time, it's not a story, it's a distraction and it doesn't amount to much.

00:15:50.480 This is the same news organization that covered the Steele dossier, you know, about Trump and

00:15:54.760 the alleged p-tape with glee, with drool.

00:15:59.000 They were so excited over it.

00:16:00.660 And I think it's just another example of why people don't trust the media and are just disgusted

00:16:05.840 by their obvious bias when it comes to covering a Republican versus a Dem.

00:16:10.460 Yeah, I mean, I think the explanation is so much worse than, you know, it's like this

00:16:16.320 dropping the curtain of the 60 minutes raw tape.

00:16:18.280 I mean, there's one thing to not cover the story.

00:16:21.680 I will say David Fulkin, Flick, the media reporter about six days ago, did cover the

00:16:25.640 New York Post coverage of the story.

00:16:28.160 So it's not that they can't touch it, but it's we don't want to waste our time, waste

00:16:32.400 our time or the listener and reader's time.

00:16:34.960 And the implication, as you make clear, is that this is not, you know, it's not worth

00:16:41.880 our time.

00:16:42.180 It's beneath us.

00:16:43.040 It's beneath you.

00:16:44.180 It's beneath our listenership.

00:16:45.700 It's just so revealing.

00:16:47.200 And it really is such a, you know, it just backfires on the media in general and just really

00:16:52.520 clarifies the way things stand as we, you know, as we're in 2020 right now.

00:16:57.640 Mm-hmm.

00:16:58.120 I know.

00:16:58.480 And David Fulkin, Flick, when he covered it, was basically covering it to say, this seems

00:17:02.720 like it, it smells really bad and the New York Post didn't have its sourcing, you know,

00:17:06.520 lined up.

00:17:06.940 It's like, how about some actual efforts to report the news?

00:17:11.720 Right.

00:17:12.000 And I will give Kristen Welker credit for raising the issue.

00:17:14.680 Last night, there was a question whether she was going to raise the Hunter Biden laptop

00:17:18.580 allegations at all.

00:17:20.060 She did.

00:17:21.280 She only spent 30 seconds on it, which again, if this had been a Trump scandal, you can bet

00:17:27.140 it would have, it would have looked more like 30 minutes, not 30 seconds.

00:17:30.700 Uh, but Trump did his best to keep hammering it.

00:17:33.840 I mean, I will say that it got a fair amount of mentions at least wasn't really set up

00:17:37.820 for the audience.

00:17:38.400 Cause I think, you know, my, my imaginary viewer, Madge in Iowa was like, what, huh?

00:17:44.060 Especially cause it hasn't been covered anywhere.

00:17:45.680 So people don't all, you know, people are living their lives.

00:17:48.460 They're not like watching it the way we are.

00:17:50.740 So anyway, it wasn't really set up well, but Trump did his best to raise it over and

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00:19:44.080 Thanks for joining me.

00:19:45.020 Megan.

00:19:45.200 I'm so proud of you.

00:19:45.960 I just looked at the top 10 podcasts in America and you're, you've moved your way up.

00:19:50.240 You're approaching the top five.

00:19:51.640 You're number seven.

00:19:52.340 Amazing.

00:19:53.240 Congratulations.

00:19:54.080 Highly successful podcast.

00:19:55.500 We knew it was going to happen.

00:19:56.600 Thank you, my dear.

00:19:57.540 You are so sweet and so generous as always.

00:20:00.680 Okay.

00:20:01.140 So I'm very happy to have you here on, on this day of all days.

00:20:05.560 What did you think?

00:20:06.440 I thought we saw a different Trump last night.

00:20:08.480 I thought it was like, if, if that Trump had been at debate number one, and if there'd

00:20:12.160 been a debate number two with that guy, I think even these polls, which I do think are

00:20:16.640 biased against him, would be, would be even higher than, than they've been.

00:20:20.520 I think he really did manage to change his trajectory last night.

00:20:24.120 He did a terrific job.

00:20:25.580 And I, I'm going to give credit to his debate prep team who realized that the first time

00:20:29.900 they probably let him go.

00:20:31.140 And, and that really worked in 2016.

00:20:32.940 Cause remember we were all like, how's Trump going to be?

00:20:35.420 And he was, he was, he wasn't a politician.

00:20:37.060 So he was just kind of a, a bull in a China shop, so to speak.

00:20:41.100 And, and, and America was waiting for something different other than a polished swamp rat

00:20:45.720 politician.

00:20:46.260 And he was that now he's got four years under his belt and they now realize with what's

00:20:51.560 going on in the streets with, with the racial tension going on in the streets with the pandemic

00:20:55.920 COVID going on, they need a leader.

00:20:57.860 And last night, I think his debate team said, you know, that what worked in 2016 won't work

00:21:02.240 this time.

00:21:02.760 Didn't work at first time in the first debate.

00:21:04.900 And they toned him down and the issues, I'm telling you, Megan, who is it?

00:21:10.160 Cause like last I heard half the team had COVID and disbanded.

00:21:13.360 Chris Christie was in the ICU for seven.

00:21:15.000 Like who actually was prepping him this time?

00:21:17.140 They're still there.

00:21:18.200 It's the same group.

00:21:19.060 And, and it's Christie, it's Giuliani, Kellyanne, Stepien's there, Hope Hicks is there.

00:21:25.200 Hope is, is Hope has been there since the day he came down the escalator.

00:21:28.620 Hope he's, she's kind of a, um, not many people pay a lot of attention to Hope, but she's,

00:21:33.980 she's one of those really important people to his, to his election and his reelection

00:21:38.600 also.

00:21:39.100 Let me tell you what I like about Hope Hicks.

00:21:40.980 She's like, it is incredibly smart, incredibly beautiful, incredibly poised person who never

00:21:46.880 seeks the spotlight.

00:21:48.820 That is very rare, right?

00:21:50.420 Usually you've got all those gifts.

00:21:52.060 You're like, maybe a little spotlight would be okay.

00:21:54.920 Not only does she, Megan, she, she pushes away from it.

00:21:59.140 When she first said, you know, after three years with, with, with the Trump, the campaign

00:22:03.140 and then Trump, she wanted to go explore some other avenues.

00:22:06.240 I really pushed to, to bring her on the show, even to bring her to become part of a show.

00:22:11.940 She wanted nothing to do in front of the camera.

00:22:14.440 She doesn't want to spotlight at all.

00:22:15.260 Whenever I look at Hope Hicks, I'm like, if I look like that, I would, I would do everything

00:22:18.820 in my power to be on camera as much as possible.

00:22:20.620 But she's, she's built differently.

00:22:23.080 So anyway, okay.

00:22:23.780 He's lucky to have her as the bottom line.

00:22:25.620 So he comes out last night.

00:22:27.460 He's, he's, I think, speaking more to the seniors and the soccer moms who he needs to

00:22:31.320 get on board.

00:22:32.080 But what did you think on substance was the biggest takeaway from last night?

00:22:36.480 He killed it.

00:22:36.940 I think there were a couple of things.

00:22:38.560 Number one, Trump did very well.

00:22:40.880 And there were a couple of moments.

00:22:42.080 Number one, when he, when he put Biden in the corner and said, talk to me about fracking.

00:22:46.540 Joe Biden fell apart at that moment.

00:22:48.740 And I, and I think this is, this is the, the election just turned in favor of president

00:22:52.720 Trump because of what his comment was, his answer to Trump about fracking in the oil industry.

00:22:57.720 Forgive me for interrupting you, but like, this is your business.

00:23:00.280 This is how you made your real money, not in television.

00:23:03.740 But can you just give us a line explaining fracking and why it's important as an electoral

00:23:09.140 matter?

00:23:10.480 So nine million jobs are in the oil industry in America.

00:23:15.120 And in the old oil industry was purely drilling into the ground, pulling oil out of the ground,

00:23:19.800 refining and put gas in your car.

00:23:21.680 What's evolved over the last 15, 20 years or so, we've moved away from that dirty business,

00:23:27.480 that dirty fuel.

00:23:28.540 There's a lot of emissions that happened in the whole process.

00:23:31.000 Plus we're drilling into the ground.

00:23:32.760 Fracking pulls gas out of the ground with one, one drill usually into the ground.

00:23:38.260 Sometimes it's a couple, but it's a very clean burning fuel.

00:23:41.180 And we've taken a dirty industry and cleaned it up massively with gas fracking.

00:23:46.900 We're turning gas into power in the form of gasoline, in the form of electricity.

00:23:52.160 So fracking has cleaned up the oil industry.

00:23:54.200 Nine million, but not only nine million jobs in America, nine million very high paying jobs

00:23:59.520 in America.

00:24:00.400 And Joe Biden last night when pushed into the corner said, I'm going to eliminate the fossil

00:24:04.980 fuel industry, which includes fracking.

00:24:06.860 And then Trump very wisely said, Joe, where are you on fracking?

00:24:10.700 And Joe said, I'm not against fracking.

00:24:12.300 So now he's kind of contradicted his own comment with the prior line, but also why?

00:24:18.100 Because there's countless opportunities on tape of Joe Biden saying he's against fracking.

00:24:23.360 There will be no more fracking.

00:24:24.440 Last night, Joe said, I'm not against fracking.

00:24:26.500 So you're in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Texas, some of the other Midwestern states are heavily,

00:24:32.680 heavily reliant on the oil industry and fracking.

00:24:35.660 You go, wait a minute, this is the next president.

00:24:37.820 He wants to eliminate the industry.

00:24:39.220 I put the food on my table because I'm part of, I think, I think he lost Pennsylvania

00:24:46.980 last night with that comment.

00:24:49.000 And that will be the difference in the election.

00:24:51.480 This is like what they talk about when they go, and I confess, I don't totally understand

00:24:54.500 fracking.

00:24:54.940 I understand it's, it's a means of extracting energy in a new way, but, and that it's important

00:24:59.400 to a lot of Americans as an industry.

00:25:01.060 But it was the first I ever heard Joe Biden go so far.

00:25:04.480 And I thought, is he tired?

00:25:05.980 Why would he?

00:25:06.500 So here's a soundbite of him.

00:25:08.580 Trump's pressing him on whether he plans to close down the oil industry.

00:25:13.140 So let's just listen.

00:25:14.620 Would you close down the oil industry?

00:25:16.220 I would transition from the oil industry.

00:25:18.540 Yes.

00:25:19.180 Oh, that's a big statement.

00:25:20.840 It is a big statement.

00:25:21.840 That's a big statement.

00:25:22.160 Because I would stop.

00:25:23.480 Why would you do that?

00:25:24.260 Because the oil industry pollutes significantly.

00:25:28.320 I see.

00:25:28.600 Here's the deal.

00:25:29.520 But you can't do that.

00:25:30.780 Well, if you let me finish the statement, because it has to be replaced by renewable energy

00:25:35.580 over time.

00:25:36.280 And then he goes on to say, that's what Trump goes on to say, Ohio, Pennsylvania, are you

00:25:40.120 listening?

00:25:40.720 Please listen.

00:25:41.600 Yeah.

00:25:42.200 Yeah.

00:25:42.820 Yeah.

00:25:43.080 And again, swing states of Pennsylvania.

00:25:47.280 Honestly, if Trump wins Pennsylvania, it's over.

00:25:50.060 I think the people in Pennsylvania would be looking at, here's fracking in a nutshell,

00:25:55.020 Megan.

00:25:55.480 Instead of drilling down miles into the Earth's crust to locate pockets of oil, the physical

00:26:02.000 oil, the slippery stuff, crude oil, we can drill a lot lower, a lot cheaper, a lot shallower

00:26:07.920 drills, and they're a lot less invasive to the environment.

00:26:10.540 And the fuel that comes out is a gas.

00:26:12.740 It's a natural gas rather than an oil.

00:26:14.980 And when you refine the natural gas into power, it doesn't spew a lot of emissions into the

00:26:20.040 atmosphere.

00:26:20.620 So the move, natural gas is a much more clean burning fuel than crude oil is.

00:26:27.260 So we're cleaning that, and the process is on the way.

00:26:30.820 The problem is the left and Biden want to do this.

00:26:33.840 At one point, Biden said by 2025.

00:26:35.960 I think he made a mistake.

00:26:37.400 He meant to say 35, but he said 25.

00:26:39.760 Whatever it is, they want to do it quickly.

00:26:41.860 America and the world will move towards a cleaner burning fuel, maybe no fossil fuels whatsoever

00:26:48.540 in time.

00:26:49.500 When the economy says it's time to do it, when the markets are ripe for it, we're not there.

00:26:53.420 So if you immediately disrupt that industry, 9 million high-paying jobs, just the jobs,

00:26:58.800 can you imagine the economic activity surrounding those jobs?

00:27:01.820 All those people who have those high-paying jobs spend money going to movies, going to restaurants,

00:27:06.500 going on trips, have to buy a lot of goods.

00:27:09.580 The economic impact to eliminating the oil industry rapidly is a massive, massive risk

00:27:16.820 to the economy, massive risk.

00:27:18.300 And they don't get it.

00:27:19.340 They just don't understand.

00:27:20.880 And now today, his campaign's already trying to walk it back, saying, oh, he misspoke.

00:27:25.420 But he was pretty explicit on camera last night about declaring war on oil.

00:27:31.400 And his comments on fracking, as you point out, have been well-documented.

00:27:34.900 Can I ask you about immigration?

00:27:38.140 Because he said explicitly, within 100 days, I'm going to send to the U.S. Congress a pathway

00:27:43.900 to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented citizens.

00:27:47.440 And I mean, I thought Trump was going to start hitting him on amnesty, but instead he kind

00:27:51.020 of came at it from the left.

00:27:52.600 And why didn't you achieve it when you were vice president?

00:27:54.980 And I think the end cultures of the world were like, what?

00:27:57.460 But the Biden statement, you know, as a standalone, that was the farthest left I'd heard him go

00:28:05.020 on amnesty for all the illegal immigrants in the country, undocumented.

00:28:09.500 Well, in other words, we need 11 million more Democrat votes is basically what he's saying.

00:28:14.180 And, you know, those tricks, those packing the court tricks or getting state status for

00:28:20.460 D.C. or Puerto Rico, those are all and also allowing amnesty for illegals, 11 million illegals

00:28:27.920 and a pathway to citizenship, which gives them a vote.

00:28:31.380 These are all ways that the left is trying to stack the deck for future elections.

00:28:37.460 And frankly, if any one of those were to happen, this would probably be the last.

00:28:42.880 If Biden wins and does this, you'll probably never see another Republican president in certainly

00:28:47.780 in our lifetimes and maybe ever, because then it's such a fine.

00:28:51.400 Look what happened in 2016.

00:28:53.460 President Trump won the Electoral College, but he lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.

00:28:58.000 That means 3 million more people voted for Hillary Clinton.

00:29:00.320 And if you add 11 million in undocumented or illegals who become citizens or states in Puerto

00:29:06.300 Rico or D.C., those were highly, highly dense Democrat populations.

00:29:11.560 It's almost a foregone conclusion that you'll have a Democrat president going for you.

00:29:16.360 You probably will have all three branches, Democrats going for a Senate, House and president.

00:29:21.980 Now, so what let me ask you quickly about the covid response, because Joe Biden came out

00:29:27.520 and I thought, you know, forcefully and seriously said Trump is responsible for the 220,000 people

00:29:34.740 who have died in this country.

00:29:36.040 It was a somber moment.

00:29:37.500 That's the word I'm looking for.

00:29:38.900 It's a somber, serious accusation.

00:29:42.000 And I my response to it was I understand what he's saying because the Democrats want to

00:29:46.100 blame covid and all the fatalities on Trump.

00:29:49.100 I have yet to hear them really under explain like what exactly Trump didn't do, you know,

00:29:54.700 because it's a virus.

00:29:55.760 It's it's Trump's got a lot of powers, but preventing the virus from coming into the United

00:29:59.560 States, sadly, is not among them.

00:30:02.200 Now, yes.

00:30:02.640 Could he have been more straightforward with us?

00:30:05.060 Yes, clearly, because he admitted that to Woodward, you know, that he wasn't telling it

00:30:08.520 to us straight when he knew how bad it was, but I just I did wonder whether the average

00:30:13.540 American sitting at home is actually going to blame Trump for that.

00:30:17.280 And his response last night was, I do take responsibility, but it's not my fault.

00:30:20.620 It's China's fault.

00:30:21.840 What did you make of it?

00:30:23.360 Well, I think I think Trump misses the mark on some of this stuff.

00:30:28.480 In fact, I had a town hall with him on Tuesday of this week, and I gave him that opportunity.

00:30:33.060 I said, if you had a mulligan, if you had to do over on one thing, anything surrounding

00:30:36.680 your covid response, what would it be?

00:30:38.300 And his answer was not much.

00:30:39.820 And I think there's an opportunity to say, you know what?

00:30:41.860 I it's not my fault.

00:30:43.620 I can't.

00:30:44.480 There's no way I could have stopped China from spreading a virus.

00:30:47.500 We tried to stop him.

00:30:48.400 I did everything in my power, but I could have taken it more seriously.

00:30:51.340 I could have looked at some of the things that the doctors were telling me and and maybe

00:30:55.360 and but the problem is he doesn't like to do that.

00:30:57.820 President Trump doesn't like to admit to doing anything wrong ever.

00:31:01.520 Some people find that charming.

00:31:04.400 Some people say he needs to show a little bit of empathy.

00:31:06.480 So I think there's a better answer to that.

00:31:08.420 Look, we got 12 days left.

00:31:09.660 So I doubt that that's going to change very much.

00:31:12.240 This is the answer.

00:31:13.020 But he but he does.

00:31:14.760 He he he did have the opportunity, especially after he got covid himself, say, look, it kicked

00:31:20.960 my butt.

00:31:21.640 You know, I didn't I didn't.

00:31:22.920 Thank you.

00:31:23.620 I thought it was kind of like the flu.

00:31:25.980 And it's not the flu.

00:31:27.240 It's worse.

00:31:28.280 It's it's it's a real problem here.

00:31:30.760 And I didn't see it.

00:31:31.360 And you know what?

00:31:32.020 Going forward, I'll take this a lot more seriously.

00:31:34.220 And and let's move on.

00:31:35.700 Let's save some lives.

00:31:36.820 It's tough for him to know because his adversaries and frankly, you know, the sort of far left

00:31:42.140 in general, they're constantly demanding that not only he, but most Republicans apologize

00:31:46.000 on any day ending and why for everything.

00:31:48.940 So it's like, is this is this another attempt just to get him to kneel at the altar of

00:31:53.120 wokeness and left leftism?

00:31:54.940 Or is this a legitimate thing he needs to apologize for?

00:31:57.600 And I think Trump, you know, his just instincts are not to do it.

00:32:00.840 OK, let's talk about Hunter Biden, the media story or the story that's been completely blocked

00:32:05.880 out by the media.

00:32:07.240 It's starting to get a little bit more traction.

00:32:10.060 Fox News is on it now.

00:32:11.160 The journal's on it now more.

00:32:13.140 And the reporting is just getting a little bit wider.

00:32:16.760 What we learned yesterday is there's two things just for the audience.

00:32:20.480 He's Hunter Biden is Joe Biden's son.

00:32:22.440 He was basically grafting off of his dad's name by getting paid 50,000 bucks a month by

00:32:28.760 this Ukrainian gas company, Burisma, even though the guy had no gas expertise whatsoever.

00:32:35.660 And now we find out he was trying to strike some deal in China that would have given him

00:32:39.340 millions of bucks potentially.

00:32:41.380 And there was a reference in some of his emails to, hey, you know, maybe maybe I'll I'll save

00:32:46.760 10 percent back from what you pay me for, quote, the big guy.

00:32:50.740 And now a partner in that attempted venture in China has come out.

00:32:55.240 The guy's name is Tony Bobulinski.

00:32:57.540 He's come out and said that did mean 10 percent for Joe Biden.

00:33:00.660 And Joe Biden's not telling the truth when he says he never dealt with his son Hunter

00:33:04.660 on these foreign deals, which is something the campaign continues to maintain.

00:33:08.460 And these guys are not being up front about their attempts to use the Biden family name

00:33:14.400 to earn money, spread influence.

00:33:18.120 And it's stuff we need to know if this guy's going to be the next president of the United

00:33:21.940 States.

00:33:22.200 And before I get you to react, Eric, let me just play a soundbite, because Trump brought

00:33:26.000 Tony Bobulinski to the debate last night.

00:33:28.860 This is a guy who served as a lieutenant in the Navy, had a high security clearance, comes

00:33:33.340 out and says, I've I've not political.

00:33:35.480 I've only made a few donations in my life.

00:33:37.200 If I have, they've all been to Democrats.

00:33:38.840 This is about, you know, I like Democrats.

00:33:40.600 But what they're saying about Joe Biden not having anything to do with any of Hunter's

00:33:45.600 dealings isn't true here.

00:33:47.040 Listen, I've heard Joe Biden say that he's never discussed business with Hunter.

00:33:52.380 That is false.

00:33:54.560 I have firsthand knowledge about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including

00:34:00.100 Joe Biden.

00:34:01.180 I have also heard that Vice President Biden said on Tuesday that Senator Ron Johnson,

00:34:07.580 the chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, should be ashamed for suggesting

00:34:11.860 that Biden family sought to profit from their name.

00:34:15.840 Well, here are the facts I know.

00:34:18.400 And everything I'm saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents

00:34:25.320 and other evidence.

00:34:27.500 And the American people can judge for themselves.

00:34:31.180 So that's, you know, somebody who was in on that proposed China deal directly saying

00:34:37.840 this was a family operation.

00:34:40.620 Joe knew about it.

00:34:42.140 And I mean, my question to you, Eric, is, is that going to be enough to get the media to

00:34:47.540 show some interest in figuring out what happened between the Bidens and Burisma and the Bidens

00:34:54.840 and this Chinese energy company?

00:34:56.840 Probably not because the media is in, I want to say in the tank, the media leans left hard.

00:35:03.180 And as we know, we've been around this this long enough.

00:35:05.500 So it's just atrocious crazy.

00:35:07.700 In fact, that this is a story.

00:35:09.960 Look, it's not about Hunter Biden.

00:35:11.520 He has his demons.

00:35:12.780 God knows I'm known to call out anyone with a son with things going on.

00:35:17.000 But it is about how he tied the vice president to all these deals.

00:35:21.400 He clearly made a ton of money because he was son of the vice president.

00:35:25.920 And there's enough ties.

00:35:26.760 We don't have to tie them together any more than they're already there.

00:35:30.300 But it's a problem that Joe Biden, the more in the problem, he's denying it.

00:35:33.320 And that's not even a real big problem because there's enough plausible deniability in it

00:35:37.220 because there is no actual email or conversation of Joe Biden with anyone at Burisma.

00:35:42.620 So he can go ahead and say, look, I go ahead, go for it.

00:35:46.560 Check it out.

00:35:47.040 I did nothing wrong.

00:35:47.840 But the problem is the media is covering for Biden.

00:35:50.160 They won't let that investigation happen.

00:35:52.380 They won't let the American people decide if they still want to vote for the guy, given

00:35:55.940 what is going on.

00:35:57.100 My guess is it wouldn't have changed, what, two or three percent of the vote or less.

00:36:03.200 I don't think it would.

00:36:03.800 But the fact that the media covered up is problematic and may actually get more Republicans to come

00:36:10.320 out and vote because the media was covering.

00:36:12.340 But the other question, Megan, the 64,000, the big question, the elephant in the room is,

00:36:17.400 where the hell has the FBI been on this?

00:36:19.680 They've had this information for a year.

00:36:21.780 They had the FBI and Christopher Wray has have been sitting on this information even prior

00:36:26.940 to the Democrats impeaching President Trump for exactly this, for asking the Ukrainians

00:36:31.920 to look into the audience what you're talking about.

00:36:34.920 So just quickly, what happened was there's this guy who runs a computer repair shop in

00:36:41.120 Delaware who says Hunter Biden dropped off this laptop a long time ago and that he never

00:36:47.840 came to reclaim it.

00:36:49.080 And the guy finally took a look at it under his policies.

00:36:51.380 It becomes the store owner's laptop after 90 days.

00:36:53.860 And he took a look at it.

00:36:55.520 It's got all these correspondents on it with Hunter and this, you know, the Ukrainians and

00:37:00.340 the and the Chinese.

00:37:01.340 And it references the vice president.

00:37:02.940 And it's got a lot of other very deeply troubling things with Hunter on camera as a personal

00:37:09.220 matter.

00:37:10.200 And he contacts the FBI and they got they got the laptop in December of 19.

00:37:14.660 So, yeah, that's that's your point.

00:37:17.020 Like, we're almost a year later.

00:37:18.960 The only reason we know about it is because the guy after several months got kind of scared

00:37:22.620 and said, I don't know what's going to happen here.

00:37:25.100 I don't know what's going to happen to me.

00:37:26.440 And he contacted Rudy Giuliani's attorney because he just said this is somebody who will get

00:37:31.440 it out.

00:37:31.720 So I'm protected.

00:37:33.400 It's just it's it's crazy, you know, spy show kind of stuff.

00:37:37.640 But doesn't mean it's not true.

00:37:39.120 And just just by way of one example on the media, one of the allegations is that that

00:37:46.400 we gleaned from these laptop emails from Hunter is that he introduced Burisma's number three

00:37:52.040 guy to the then sitting vice president, Joe Biden, that they met and that within a year

00:37:57.800 of that meeting, Joe Biden made sure the Ukrainians fired the prosecutor who was looking into Burisma

00:38:05.260 for possible corruption.

00:38:06.920 That's the allegation.

00:38:07.920 Then we get the Biden campaign on Fox News Sunday.

00:38:11.220 They say it's not true.

00:38:12.800 There was never such a meeting.

00:38:14.720 It never happened.

00:38:15.860 Then in a follow up statement, I guess Politico, which actually did to its credit inquire, they

00:38:21.240 get them to say, well, maybe there was an informal interaction.

00:38:24.300 It's like if the media would just dig that we could get to the bottom of this.

00:38:30.020 I would like to know if Joe Biden met with the number three Burisma guy a year before he made

00:38:35.000 sure Burisma didn't get prosecuted.

00:38:36.640 You know, like that is relevant.

00:38:38.880 That's relevant to corruption, pay to play, the way Washington dirty politics work.

00:38:43.560 And we're not going to get to it.

00:38:44.800 We got two weeks ago.

00:38:45.840 All likely, but not not necessarily enough to to indict.

00:38:52.800 But the point is, the media covered up for this whole thing.

00:38:55.940 And more importantly, you know, people were saying deep state that, you know, the FBI people

00:39:00.140 within the administration, the intel community hated Trump and was trying to get him out.

00:39:04.840 If the FBI had this information prior to the impeachment on Russia and they could have opened

00:39:13.260 that up, they could have given that to the Senate Judiciary Committee and let them know

00:39:17.320 about that.

00:39:17.800 And likely none of this would have happened.

00:39:19.480 We would have saved the taxpayer $50 million, the Trump family, a lot of heartache.

00:39:23.340 And we could have moved on, maybe even given the media an opportunity to vet what Joe Biden's

00:39:28.860 role in Burisma and in Hunter Biden's massive amount of liquidity and, you know, unearned

00:39:35.420 liquidity is all about.

00:39:36.620 So if if Joe Biden wins this race, and I know he said that he won't be involving his son

00:39:41.380 Hunter in any, you know, anything that better be true.

00:39:44.980 Hunter Biden can't be anywhere near the White House, anywhere near it.

00:39:48.180 This guy's got enough shady business dealings in his past that that that would absolutely

00:39:52.500 have to be assured.

00:39:53.840 OK, let me ask you about the polls before I let you go, because I keep looking at them.

00:39:58.760 I only look at the swing state polls.

00:40:00.400 The national polls are meaningless.

00:40:01.380 And what I see is in states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina

00:40:08.420 and Ohio, Hillary Clinton at this point in 16 was up more than Joe Biden is right now.

00:40:16.320 And so that just is a constant asterisk in my mind to be careful before you declare Trump

00:40:23.980 done based on what's usually the sweeping national lead that he holds in these national polls.

00:40:30.160 But realistically, Eric, understanding you want Trump to win, realistically, what's your

00:40:34.360 take on the state of the race?

00:40:36.300 So and again, it's the same thing in 2016.

00:40:40.200 Here's what happens, Megan, is you walk around, people whisper to me because they know I'm a

00:40:45.640 Trump.

00:40:47.100 I prefer President Trump than Hillary, and I prefer President Trump.

00:40:51.480 And by they'll say, you know, I'm going to vote for Joe Biden.

00:40:54.220 I'm going to vote for President Trump.

00:40:55.620 And they'll whisper in my ear like, OK, we'll say it.

00:40:57.740 So the media has created this and the left has created this this world where if you say

00:41:02.580 you like Trump, you're a xenophobe, you're a racist, you're a sexist, you know, you like

00:41:08.840 people who do bad things to women.

00:41:11.340 And so it's almost an embarrassment to say it in public.

00:41:14.340 So what do you think happens when you someone that you don't know who's calling CNN poll

00:41:18.760 or even Fox, whoever, and they say, who are you going to vote for?

00:41:22.540 Well, people will either decline or they're going to say Joe Biden instead of saying, I'm

00:41:26.520 going to vote for probably going to vote for Donald Trump.

00:41:28.320 Same thing happened in 2016.

00:41:29.820 They made it so embarrassing to say you're pro-Trump.

00:41:32.280 No one wanted to admit it.

00:41:33.600 And so the polls are always going to skew that way, besides the fact of the methodology of

00:41:38.020 polling, which means how many Democrats you poll versus Republicans.

00:41:41.320 It's always skewed to the Democrats.

00:41:43.940 Besides that, that's that that's something we know and live with.

00:41:47.120 It's that that other secret factor that no one really talks about now, I'll never forget

00:41:52.600 being at Fox in 2016 and doing daily, daily doing the path to 270 electoral votes to become

00:42:01.360 president with the brain room outside of my office every single day telling me he's got

00:42:06.120 no path and me telling him, oh, yes, he does.

00:42:09.460 I'll never forget those days.

00:42:11.800 It feels the same to me right now.

00:42:13.520 Feels like you're going to see.

00:42:14.980 I don't think it's going to be a landslide, but I think President Trump prevails in 12

00:42:19.540 days.

00:42:20.820 What's your what percentage chance would you put it at?

00:42:23.380 You know, 50-50, 60-40.

00:42:24.920 What would you put it at?

00:42:27.180 When he got COVID, I would have said it was probably 60-40 against because I think that

00:42:32.540 was a surprise, a shock, the October surprise.

00:42:34.980 But I think now in the fact he bounced back so rapidly, some of the things that are there

00:42:40.120 come out that have come out in the last couple of weeks, I would say it's 60-40 in his

00:42:44.340 favor.

00:42:45.760 Before I let you go, how are you?

00:42:47.840 I miss you.

00:42:49.120 I miss you too, Megan.

00:42:51.000 I will just I'm going to I'm going to leave your wonderful audience and you on this note

00:42:55.260 that my wife and I have clearly had the worst heartache tragedy any human being in humanity

00:43:02.420 could experience.

00:43:03.180 And Megan Kelly, you guys, Megan Kelly was there talking to me, holding me up and propping

00:43:09.560 my wife and I up and from day one, from day one through now.

00:43:13.240 And I'll never forget that.

00:43:14.640 Megan, I so appreciate you.

00:43:16.240 Oh, Eric, I mean, the fact that you mentioned me, I'm talking about the death of your son,

00:43:21.860 which was so wrong and so sad.

00:43:23.900 And I will say watching the way you guys handled that, stayed together, stayed strong.

00:43:29.640 I have chills just thinking about it was an example in strength, grace under fire, just

00:43:36.220 refusing to stay lying down, which Eric Chase would never have wanted for you, never have

00:43:40.740 wanted for you to just give up, throw in the towel and sit on your couch for the next

00:43:45.280 40 years.

00:43:45.920 I, I, I know I can say firsthand that you are a beautiful man and you are an amazing

00:43:52.260 dad and I'm sure he's looking at you from above with all the work you're doing on the

00:43:56.680 town halls, on the opioid crisis and thinking I'm proud.

00:44:01.880 Megan, um, it's every day.

00:44:03.820 It's a, it's a, it's a struggle.

00:44:05.700 It's a, it's an accomplishment to make it through.

00:44:08.260 And it's friends like you, um, who absolutely are the reason I'm able to do that.

00:44:12.980 Thank you.

00:44:13.720 Thank you.

00:44:14.520 To be continued.

00:44:15.120 I hope to speak to you again.

00:44:16.320 Absolutely.

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00:45:57.020 Before we get to our guests, I want to talk to you about our latest feature, which is

00:46:02.060 you can't say that, right?

00:46:04.020 You know what's happening in our country.

00:46:05.140 You can't say that.

00:46:05.820 You can't think that.

00:46:06.480 You can't be that.

00:46:07.220 Oh, wait, this is America.

00:46:08.560 That's how I respond.

00:46:09.920 There's a gal named Catherine Lauer, and she's at University of Kansas.

00:46:14.200 You know how it is.

00:46:14.680 You go off to college.

00:46:15.420 You join a sorority.

00:46:16.180 You want to make friends.

00:46:17.040 It's a good way of sort of short forming all the, I don't know, all the effort it takes

00:46:20.240 to find a posse.

00:46:22.000 Well, poor Catherine might have wanted to keep looking.

00:46:25.620 She has been placed on probation by the Kappa Alpha Theta sorority there for showing unbecoming

00:46:31.840 values.

00:46:33.100 What did she do?

00:46:34.080 Did she punch somebody out in a fight?

00:46:35.680 Did she bully somebody?

00:46:38.040 No.

00:46:39.160 She likes Trump, apparently.

00:46:41.160 Maybe.

00:46:41.640 I don't know.

00:46:42.480 She has posted something critical of Black Lives Matter and that repeated something Candace

00:46:47.900 Owens said.

00:46:48.820 So she's in trouble.

00:46:50.480 In fact, she has been placed on probation.

00:46:54.160 Okay.

00:46:54.340 So what did she post?

00:46:55.440 Number one, she posted some pro-life thoughts, which apparently is not okay for Kappa Alpha

00:47:01.660 Theta.

00:47:02.360 They think that's hurtful, I guess.

00:47:04.140 And they didn't like her posts on Black Lives Matter, which she retweeted a Candace Owens

00:47:08.560 posts saying, and I quote, Black Lives Matter is an organization of white men using the faces

00:47:13.960 of dead black people to raise millions of dollars toward electing white Democrats into positions

00:47:18.380 of power.

00:47:19.240 She also added, how Owens did, that it's the most flagrantly racist organization in America.

00:47:24.360 Now, there's no question Candace Owens presses buttons and is controversial, but that's her

00:47:30.680 opinion.

00:47:31.380 And it may indeed be the opinion of Catherine Lauer.

00:47:33.980 We don't know.

00:47:34.620 All we know is she reposted it.

00:47:36.180 Um, that's apparently not okay.

00:47:38.340 She's been told she must take a social media posting holiday, do a personal reflection and

00:47:45.040 cleanse.

00:47:46.480 What does that even mean?

00:47:47.820 You know, like, like I know about like the cayenne pepper drink you have to drink when

00:47:51.060 you want to lose 10 pounds.

00:47:52.020 What happens when you want to lose your affinity for Candace Owens?

00:47:54.660 I don't know what that cleanse looks like.

00:47:56.300 Uh, but I find that offensive that they're trying to cleanse her mind of thoughts they find

00:48:00.240 obnoxious.

00:48:01.500 She also had to watch a video selected by the sorority's diversity, equity, and inclusion

00:48:05.600 committee because, you know, they're, they're all about diversity and inclusion, unless it's

00:48:09.360 a diversity of thought.

00:48:10.780 Uh, and they want her to have a dialogue with the sorority's COO about getting a broader

00:48:15.920 education of America today because she was quote hurtful.

00:48:20.460 So Lauer tried to appeal.

00:48:22.100 She failed.

00:48:23.040 They told her no.

00:48:24.320 Uh, she actually says she's, she supports the idea behind black lives matter, but she doesn't

00:48:27.720 agree with where it's money is going.

00:48:29.960 And, um, when asked whether she has any knowledge of others in the sorority being punished for their

00:48:33.820 social media posts, guess what?

00:48:35.000 No, she hasn't heard of anybody being punished, punished despite many postings that are very

00:48:40.020 aggressive, um, in, in terms of taking down Trump, they're aggressively anti-Trump.

00:48:45.680 To me, this is so upsetting because diversity of opinion is what makes this country great.

00:48:50.040 Even if you're offended by the opinions you hear, that's what makes America special.

00:48:56.740 You're allowed to say offensive things.

00:48:59.040 And the answer, if you don't like somebody saying something, if you find their speech offensive

00:49:03.840 is not less speech, it's more speech.

00:49:07.680 There's an old George Orwell quote that, that, that reads, if liberty means anything at all,

00:49:12.860 it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

00:49:16.420 That people is how you grow.

00:49:18.940 Hearing other people express divergent viewpoints from your own.

00:49:22.560 Maybe you'll try to convince them.

00:49:24.460 Maybe you won't, but it's always good to have your own thought processes tested.

00:49:28.900 So Kappa, um, I think you're on the wrong page here.

00:49:32.400 I don't think Catherine did anything wrong.

00:49:33.920 And I think if you want to get any Republicans in your sorority, and maybe you don't, you need

00:49:38.820 to rethink your own policies.

00:49:40.200 Catherine, if, if they don't, if they're not open to your viewpoints, you should move right

00:49:44.960 along and just find friends on the quad.

00:49:48.380 Okay.

00:49:49.100 Now I want to bring in our guests, uh, Crystal Ball and Sagar and Jetty co-host rising on

00:49:54.960 the hill.com.

00:49:55.880 Their show's getting millions and millions of views and it's well worth your time guys.

00:49:59.100 Thank you so much for being here.

00:50:00.780 Thanks for having us, Megan.

00:50:01.760 Great as always to talk to you.

00:50:02.900 Good to be back, Megan.

00:50:04.420 All right.

00:50:04.720 So let's get, uh, overall thoughts on last night.

00:50:07.260 Crystal, let me start with you.

00:50:08.160 Cause we just did a long segment with Eric Bowling, who is a conservative.

00:50:11.820 You are not.

00:50:12.640 Um, what was your, what was your takeaway?

00:50:16.180 So if we're giving awards for most improved, Trump definitely won the night.

00:50:21.560 Um, I think this was the type of debate where look, the energy from the president was radically

00:50:27.340 different from debate one.

00:50:29.300 It was in a lot of ways, a very effective performance.

00:50:31.580 And I think frankly, if he had this kind of tone and affect more often on the campaign

00:50:36.980 trail, he'd be in a much better position right now.

00:50:39.080 But if you look at the reaction after the debate, basically people who like Joe Biden thought

00:50:43.860 Joe Biden won people who like Trump thought that Trump won.

00:50:47.140 And with Joe up in the polls, that's a fantastic result for him ultimately.

00:50:52.060 So even though I think very little changes coming out of this debate, and we can talk about

00:50:57.080 some more of the specifics, but even though I think very little changes, that is actually

00:51:01.880 a very consequential event because this was one of the last opportunities for President

00:51:06.660 Trump to really change the game here.

00:51:09.060 And he's significantly down and continues to be, I think.

00:51:12.200 I like your, your, you know, the most improved.

00:51:14.540 It's making me think of the beauty contest Trump used to organize and run.

00:51:18.440 You know, who, who would get Mr. Congeniality?

00:51:20.800 Uh, none of the above, maybe.

00:51:27.580 No, no one, no one on that stage last night.

00:51:31.380 No.

00:51:31.940 And let's not even go to the swimsuit competition.

00:51:34.260 Okay.

00:51:34.700 Sagar, what did you think?

00:51:35.980 What was your overall impression of what we saw last night?

00:51:38.360 I thought I really, I basically agree.

00:51:40.020 I actually thought it was the best performance that President Trump has had in any of his major

00:51:44.820 presidential debates, including with Hillary Clinton.

00:51:47.460 But I also thought it was Joe Biden's, frankly, best debate performance of 2020.

00:51:52.020 I mean, he had horrible debates in the, in the early primary campaign, even against Bernie

00:51:57.220 Sanders.

00:51:57.580 He did okay, but he was a bit shaky.

00:51:59.820 This one, I mean, near the end, he was beginning to fade, but he got across what he needed to

00:52:04.640 get across.

00:52:05.260 And so when you're 10 points down, like Trump currently is in the state of the national polls

00:52:09.820 and with larger margins of air, with larger margins in the swing states, places like Pennsylvania,

00:52:15.940 Wisconsin, Michigan, you need to return to some of the things that got you that win.

00:52:21.400 And I didn't see enough of that on a policy level and on the critique of Biden that I

00:52:26.580 think he needed to do to really drive this thing home with only like 12 days left until

00:52:31.060 the election.

00:52:32.420 Crystal, why do you think he, you know, A, was talking about his, the amnesty he wants

00:52:36.280 to offer, you know, 11 million undocumented immigrants are going to be made citizens within

00:52:41.720 the hundred days.

00:52:42.440 And then he was talking about how he's going to basically gut oil and, um, really made some

00:52:47.520 statements that could hurt him with some of those swing state voters.

00:52:51.380 Why did he do that?

00:52:53.420 You know, the undocumented immigrant thing was, was interesting because he was very specific

00:52:57.780 there in a way that he is often loathed to be.

00:53:02.320 Now I will say, you know, the polling on comprehensive immigration reform is, is fairly popular.

00:53:06.920 And this is a position that Democrats have long held, but what I actually read into that

00:53:10.940 Megan is, um, one of the groups, the group that Joe Biden has underperformed with the

00:53:16.340 most is Latinos, um, versus Hillary Clinton's performance back in 2016.

00:53:22.340 Now, if you actually ask Latinos what their top issue is, it's not immigration.

00:53:26.220 It's like everybody else, it's coronavirus and it's jobs and the economy and wages.

00:53:30.300 And yes, immigration comes in there as well.

00:53:32.860 But I think he had some consultant in his ear telling him basically, you know, you need

00:53:37.000 to make this explicit pledge to the Latino community to try to drive up your numbers

00:53:41.360 there.

00:53:41.700 So that was what I made of that, you know, on the oil comment, there's no doubt in place

00:53:46.200 like Texas, that's going to get replayed.

00:53:48.300 Obviously the Trump campaign trying to make a lot of it is inartful in his expression,

00:53:52.880 but it also is consistent with his position, which is that he wants to transition away from

00:53:57.220 fossil fuels over time.

00:53:58.680 Not that this is going to happen in any one particular day.

00:54:01.220 Now, what, what we've been asking you guys for your moment of the night, when you've

00:54:06.120 come on after the last couple of town halls or debates, Sagar, what was your moment of

00:54:10.060 the night?

00:54:10.900 My moment of the night remains this on this Hunter Biden story.

00:54:14.020 It's just, I'm a God that the moderator and the media and everybody else is just letting

00:54:19.560 Biden get away with these outright lies.

00:54:22.060 I mean, what he said last night is that Hunter Biden never made any money in China.

00:54:27.040 I mean, that is just false according to Hunter Biden himself.

00:54:30.340 And it's just unbelievable that there's no follow-up from the moderators themselves.

00:54:35.340 There's no actual reportage in so many of the mainstream outlets.

00:54:38.880 I just can't believe that the case is not at least being examined properly by people within

00:54:45.320 the media.

00:54:45.940 And, you know, I got to say, President Trump did not handle it.

00:54:48.580 I think the way that he should have, he should have pressed him, not just on the, on the money

00:54:52.340 that he was receiving, but also on whether he met with this Hunter business associate

00:54:57.220 or not, because that's a direct, that's a direct and total turnabout for Biden, if it

00:55:03.060 is true.

00:55:04.020 Well, and we have a little clip on, on one of the last exchanges they had of the night

00:55:08.800 that touches on that a bit.

00:55:09.980 Let's listen.

00:55:10.640 Joe, they're calling you a corrupt politician.

00:55:13.400 Nobody's calling you.

00:55:13.800 Hey, look at the laptop from hell.

00:55:14.700 I want to stay on the issue of race.

00:55:16.520 We're talking about the issue.

00:55:17.580 Look at the laptop from hell.

00:55:18.420 President Trump, we're talking about race right now, and I do want to stay on the issue

00:55:22.320 of race.

00:55:23.140 President Trump, you've just-

00:55:24.100 And I have to respond to that.

00:55:24.800 Please.

00:55:24.980 Because look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this,

00:55:31.000 he's accusing me of, is a Russian plant.

00:55:34.240 They have said that this is, has all the, four, five former heads of the CIA, both parties,

00:55:40.860 say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage.

00:55:43.700 Nobody believes it except the, his and his good friend Rudy-

00:55:47.100 So what, what did you make of that?

00:55:49.020 It's just amazing, right?

00:55:50.320 I mean, 50 former national intelligence officials.

00:55:53.000 Oh, by the way, many of whom have endorsed Biden say that it has the, quote, earmarks of

00:55:57.580 Russian disinformation.

00:55:58.640 Well, the director of national intelligence says it's not true.

00:56:02.060 And I don't always trust the intelligence community, but I do trust them to leak something

00:56:05.960 if the director says something that isn't true.

00:56:08.380 And there hasn't been a single leak and not a shred of evidence, nothing to say that this

00:56:12.980 is Russian disinformation.

00:56:14.680 So this is just a clear example.

00:56:15.980 The media pushes this fake Russian disinformation narrative.

00:56:19.660 Biden uses it as an excuse.

00:56:21.860 And he's just outright lying.

00:56:23.140 I mean, that Hunter Biden has said he would not have had any of these deals if he was not,

00:56:28.260 if his last name was not Biden.

00:56:30.020 He admits to holding 10% of a Chinese private equity fund, which was funded by the Chinese

00:56:35.200 government.

00:56:35.960 These are, again, these are outright facts and he just denies and lies about them.

00:56:39.380 It's amazing that he gets away.

00:56:40.340 But it's been funny.

00:56:41.700 I was just mentioning earlier that, you know, originally his position on the meeting with

00:56:45.060 the number three guy at Burisma that that the Hunter emails suggest did take place was

00:56:51.420 the schedule doesn't show that, which, you know, we all pointed out, well, that doesn't

00:56:55.360 answer the question.

00:56:56.120 And I'm like, my schedule doesn't show I'm having this conversation with you two right

00:56:59.500 now, but I am.

00:57:01.220 And then and then the campaign told Fox News Sunday there was no meeting.

00:57:05.480 But then the next statement to political was, well, they might have been an informal gathering.

00:57:10.340 Like, can we just get a straight like could somebody show some interest so that we could

00:57:15.220 get a straight answer from the campaign on whether the sitting vice president met with

00:57:19.500 the number three executive of this corrupt organization that wound up, you know, pleading

00:57:24.620 to to the U.S. to have the prosecutor pulled off their back, which Joe Biden did a year later.

00:57:30.080 Crystal, your thoughts?

00:57:31.520 Yeah, I think that's all highly relevant.

00:57:34.820 And look, no one's saying here that the president hasn't been corrupt.

00:57:38.340 We cover corruption from all sides on our show and make sure to do that.

00:57:43.540 But part of the issue here is, too, that the Biden campaign won't answer whether the

00:57:48.400 emails are real.

00:57:49.680 They want to throw on all this.

00:57:50.820 Oh, it's Russian disinformation.

00:57:52.100 And I really hate the Russian crap.

00:57:54.120 They use it as an excuse for absolutely everything because they don't want to deal with the underlying

00:57:59.320 issue.

00:57:59.940 Look, the Trump campaign is very excited about this stuff.

00:58:02.960 They thought this would be a game changer.

00:58:04.520 They've clearly seized on it.

00:58:05.920 I don't think that this is going to change anyone's votes when we're in the middle of

00:58:09.020 a pandemic and with the economic situation as it is.

00:58:12.300 So this is no longer really an electoral issue.

00:58:14.780 But if we are going to have a president, Joe Biden, the American people deserve to know

00:58:18.780 what are those relationships going to look like?

00:58:21.620 What are those business relationships going to look like?

00:58:24.020 Can they have confidence that he's not going to have a swirl of people around him who are

00:58:27.800 profiting off of his name and off of the presidency?

00:58:30.720 Look, I don't think that what we've seen from Hunter has been illegal, but that does not make

00:58:36.860 it right.

00:58:37.560 And it doesn't make it something that the American people want to accept.

00:58:40.340 Ultimately, I'm going to start just using that whenever I get in trouble for anything.

00:58:43.880 I say I'm just going to be that's Russian disinformation.

00:58:45.940 I'm just going to keep slapping that against the board, see if it sticks.

00:58:48.840 You know, but you're right, because the one thing we didn't hear from Joe Biden last

00:58:51.640 night, which would have been so simple and would have answered so much, is for him to

00:58:55.280 to say there is no laptop that belongs to Hunter Biden.

00:59:00.140 My son did not drop off a laptop with this repairman in Delaware who we've never met,

00:59:05.220 never heard of.

00:59:06.040 Those emails are not real.

00:59:08.940 That would have gone so far.

00:59:10.940 And people are smart enough to realize there's a reason he didn't say that, because it isn't

00:59:14.940 true.

00:59:15.240 We all know it was it was Hunter's.

00:59:17.780 It was his signature.

00:59:19.300 The guy has no reason to lie.

00:59:21.220 And the campaign would have long denied it before this point if if they had the basis

00:59:26.080 to do so.

00:59:26.640 All right.

00:59:26.800 But I have to ask you, Crystal, your moment of the night.

00:59:29.860 So there was a moment that to me was very revealing in terms of the difference in how

00:59:35.720 Trump is running this time versus how he ran back in 2016.

00:59:39.660 In 2016, on a lot of issues, he wasn't in line with the Republican orthodoxy, especially

00:59:45.240 on economics.

00:59:46.440 So he bucked conventional wisdom, bucked the Republican line in particular on things like

00:59:51.660 the minimum wage.

00:59:53.060 So the minimum wage, the federal minimum wage, came up last night and he was arguing against

00:59:58.420 it, which polar opposite, again, of his position in 2016.

01:00:01.480 And I thought that was pretty remarkable.

01:00:03.700 Hold that thought.

01:00:04.440 Hold that thought because I want to get your reaction to what he said.

01:00:06.920 But let's listen to what he said first.

01:00:08.860 Businesses as well as the schools need the help.

01:00:11.720 But this because these guys will not help them is not giving them any of the money.

01:00:17.060 We are going to move on to immigration.

01:00:18.860 But I want to say we have our small businesses by raising the minimum wage.

01:00:23.180 That's not helping.

01:00:24.140 I think it should be a state option.

01:00:26.520 Alabama is different than New York.

01:00:28.880 New York is different from Vermont.

01:00:31.040 Every state is different.

01:00:32.360 It should be a state option.

01:00:33.520 You said very important.

01:00:34.340 It's very important.

01:00:35.780 That sounds like standard issue Mitt Romney type political rhetoric.

01:00:39.320 It could have come out of the mouth of Paul Ryan.

01:00:41.700 And look, you can agree or disagree with that.

01:00:43.620 But it's polar opposite of how we ran back in 2016.

01:00:47.060 And look on the merits.

01:00:48.600 If you ask American citizens, increasing the minimum wage is wildly popular at this point.

01:00:54.500 And minimum wage increases have even passed in deeply red states.

01:00:58.200 That's how popular it is.

01:00:59.320 So I thought it was just a glimpse into how different, how much he's adopted the Republican

01:01:04.940 orthodoxy on economics in particular in a way that has ultimately damaged him in his presidency

01:01:10.620 and in his reelect.

01:01:12.540 The minimum wage thing, I mean, I confess I haven't spent that much time studying it.

01:01:16.320 But I do know that when it gets mandated, like here in New York City, they mandated it

01:01:20.340 for restaurant owners, I think, last year.

01:01:22.820 And then a bunch of restaurant employees started to get fired.

01:01:27.220 And, you know, like the small business owners were like, yeah, that's kind of how it works.

01:01:31.320 We only have a certain amount of revenue coming in.

01:01:34.260 And then I remember there was a push to you could only fire the restaurant owners or the

01:01:38.360 restaurant workers for cause, which is not really how life works.

01:01:43.760 You know, all these all these at will employees can always be fired for any reason at all.

01:01:47.540 So those those laws can be problematic for even the people they are they mean to help.

01:01:53.800 But I see your point because Trump's always been more of a populist.

01:01:57.340 Right.

01:01:57.480 And there was a big, you know, in Seattle, they were the first ones who moved for, I

01:02:01.620 think, around the SeaTac airport with a fifteen dollar minimum wage.

01:02:05.000 And there was a lot of like, oh, my God, this can be the end of everything.

01:02:07.540 And actually, it didn't cause a job loss.

01:02:10.680 And we haven't seen that in terms of the research across the country.

01:02:13.920 So, again, there are a lot of ways to feel about the issue.

01:02:17.120 But in terms of the positioning of Trump and how he differs this time around from from 2016,

01:02:23.220 he's not only saying in that answer, I don't support fifteen dollars.

01:02:27.460 He's saying, I think it should be a state option altogether.

01:02:30.540 Not sounding like Paul Ryan has never been has never been his goal.

01:02:34.440 Can I ask you about the cages, you guys, the cages exchange?

01:02:37.660 Because they're the thing that really had a lot of the Democrats and CNN and MSNBC

01:02:42.760 talking after the debate was the cages and the kids, the five hundred plus kids who are

01:02:48.680 now being held without being able to get reunited with their parents.

01:02:52.720 Trump was basically saying, look, their their parents sent them up here with coyotes and

01:02:56.660 you know, that they're they're in cages that were built by the Obama administration.

01:03:02.200 And Biden is basically saying they got separated from their parents and their caregivers thanks

01:03:06.360 to your policies.

01:03:07.920 And it's it's criminal, he said.

01:03:10.120 So what were your thoughts, Sagar, let me ask you on on that and whether that moved

01:03:14.400 the needle?

01:03:15.740 Well, you know, what's funny to me is actually connects very much what we were just talking

01:03:18.960 about, which is that you could have given the answer to the no minimum federal mandated

01:03:24.620 minimum wage from a populist perspective, which is what Trump and his administration used

01:03:28.400 to argue, which they could have said, look, with less immigration and competition for

01:03:32.600 American wages, you don't need to mandate a federal minimum wage and you will have tight

01:03:37.220 labor markets, which will lead to higher raise a higher wages for all Americans.

01:03:41.500 And we didn't really hear that.

01:03:42.920 And I think that in general, that's always been a problem for the Trump administration

01:03:45.960 is they have not.

01:03:47.480 What Trump connected with is he connected immigration in 2016 with populist economics.

01:03:53.020 So whenever you strip that away and you make it about, you know, child separation at the

01:03:57.800 border without any of the populist economic message to underscore that what the core argument

01:04:03.260 of the administration is that we need less immigrants in America to compete for American

01:04:07.600 jobs, ergo increasing American wages and cracking down on corporate welfare, then that's

01:04:12.680 actually a majoritarian economic and political position.

01:04:15.980 But as it was, Trump wasn't returning to that, especially on that issue, on the minimum wage

01:04:21.320 and more.

01:04:21.740 So I see it in a broader context of Trump and immigration, which has just been missing

01:04:26.220 from this entire campaign from him.

01:04:28.480 Yeah, it's been surprising.

01:04:30.440 Build the wall, build the wall.

01:04:31.600 That was like his number one applause line four years ago.

01:04:34.620 And he never hits it now.

01:04:36.420 He never really hits immigration.

01:04:38.820 And it's been such a popular issue for him.

01:04:40.940 But I will say, Crystal, maybe this is why, because the, you know, those suburban soccer moms

01:04:45.960 we've been talking about, they don't like the kids being alone in the cages without the

01:04:51.080 parents, even if they're ticked off that the parents sent the kids up, you know, with or

01:04:55.020 without them with coyotes, which obviously nobody supports.

01:04:58.660 No one thinks that's a good idea.

01:04:59.620 But you don't like the thought of kids not being able to reunite with their parents.

01:05:04.140 No, of course not.

01:05:05.140 And and look, you're right.

01:05:07.020 If you look at the numbers, the Obama administration deported way more people than the Trump administration

01:05:13.920 has been able to do.

01:05:15.360 There's a variety of reasons for that.

01:05:17.320 And they did, in fact, build those cages.

01:05:20.520 But when you're faced with a statistic about more than 500 children who may never see their

01:05:27.960 parents again, who have been permanently potentially orphaned by the U.S.

01:05:31.800 federal government as a policy of of intentional cruelty, and the answer from the president

01:05:37.820 is, oh, well, they're they're being well taken care of.

01:05:40.840 I don't think that that's sufficient for really anyone.

01:05:44.300 That was not his best moment.

01:05:45.540 I mean, honestly, it's like even I think Trump supporters are looking at that like, well,

01:05:49.620 that what that can't be the plan that they're just going to be, quote, unquote, well taken

01:05:54.320 care of in the cages for the rest of their lives.

01:05:56.500 And I realize Trump didn't create that problem.

01:05:59.100 They came and they needed to be dealt with in his in his effort to crack down on this

01:06:03.560 problem.

01:06:04.060 He started separating the families.

01:06:05.620 But something satisfactory is going to have to happen there, because I know I know that

01:06:11.760 issue tugs at the heartstrings.

01:06:13.100 And I just I thought that was one missed opportunity for both of them.

01:06:17.120 All right.

01:06:17.280 So now here we are.

01:06:19.320 I don't know how many days now, less than almost about two weeks out.

01:06:23.060 Let me let me exit question to you both whether what what percentage chance you give Trump

01:06:28.600 to win at this point, Sagar?

01:06:30.680 I think Trump has probably got about a 15 percent chance of winning.

01:06:34.320 And I know that's low.

01:06:35.800 I think I think it's low.

01:06:37.060 But look, I think that his core strengths, like we were just talking about on immigration,

01:06:41.040 on economics, he failed to deliver on a stimulus package.

01:06:44.440 Now, look, we got 12 days to go.

01:06:45.740 But we all know, Megan, you know, Nancy Pelosi and Stephen, you shouldn't have to come to a

01:06:49.600 deal.

01:06:49.960 Then you got three days in the House and then the Senate has 30 hours of floor time.

01:06:53.580 The odds of a large stimulus package passing before the election are dwindling to the day.

01:06:59.660 And actually, it's a failure that we don't even have a stimulus already, that we didn't

01:07:03.180 pass one again and again and again over the last several months.

01:07:06.640 These are the things I think could have won Trump reelection, taking coronavirus more seriously

01:07:11.160 in March.

01:07:11.960 And even with that, passing large stimulus packages in April, May and June, corralling

01:07:17.300 the Republican majority and making them go against their the Republican Senate majority

01:07:22.700 and making them go against their more deficit hawkery instincts, which, again, he ran against

01:07:27.260 in 2016 by basically of all times to stop his spending instincts.

01:07:32.940 I know it's it's crazy to me.

01:07:35.380 I mean, he basically buckled to them at a worse possible.

01:07:37.980 I said this on your podcast before, became a true Republican at the worst possible moment

01:07:42.360 for his presidency.

01:07:43.520 And I do not think that bodes well for his election chances.

01:07:46.460 What do you think, Crystal?

01:07:47.540 How would you give Trump a percentage chance of winning?

01:07:50.200 I give him about a 10 percent chance, I think.

01:07:53.360 And I'll play devil's advocate here, though.

01:07:56.460 Look, at this point, the polls would have to be a lot more wrong than they were last time

01:08:02.020 around.

01:08:02.500 You'd have to have a really pretty wild polling error for him to be able to pull this off.

01:08:08.300 And there are dwindling opportunities for him to change the game.

01:08:11.480 Fifty million plus people have already voted.

01:08:13.460 And this race has frankly been remarkably stable for months and months and months in spite

01:08:17.540 of wild swings and what is happening in our country.

01:08:20.360 But OK, wait.

01:08:21.240 But can I ask you before you get to the book?

01:08:22.700 Because I mentioned this before you came on at this point in 2016, Hillary was up more

01:08:27.560 than Joe Biden is up right now over Donald Trump in states like Florida, Pennsylvania,

01:08:31.980 Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Ohio.

01:08:33.920 So why why so certain that, you know, he's done?

01:08:39.320 Well, one of the differences has been that Biden has been consistently over 50.

01:08:44.140 It's been very stable.

01:08:45.620 And certainly the national polling average, he's a lot further up than Hillary was at this

01:08:50.340 point.

01:08:50.600 I mean, 10 points, 10 point national average at the RealClearPolitics average is a lot more

01:08:55.360 than she was able to achieve at this point.

01:08:57.240 But to play devil's advocate, look, if you were ever going to have a wild polling swing

01:09:03.880 and just have, you know, be caused by uncertainty, caused by look, people are voting in a way

01:09:09.300 they've never voted before through a method that they haven't used before.

01:09:13.580 The turnout model, if it's a little off and then you have more Democratic ballots coming

01:09:18.560 in mail and getting tossed out because they didn't weren't done properly like that is in

01:09:23.580 the realm of possibility.

01:09:25.160 Do I think it's likely?

01:09:26.360 No.

01:09:26.700 Is it possible?

01:09:27.580 Sure.

01:09:27.980 It's still possible.

01:09:29.700 And last time around, 11 days before the vote, Comey came out saying they'd found more

01:09:33.860 Hillary hidden documents on Anthony Weiner's laptop that he shared with his wife, Uma Abedin.

01:09:39.340 And that was I mean, basically what we're seeing is back in 16 and 2020, we've had a laptop from

01:09:44.260 hell.

01:09:44.720 We've had, as Trump put it last night, that is what winds up making an appearance in the

01:09:50.000 final moments of every campaign.

01:09:51.180 The laptop from hell.

01:09:52.320 Just don't buy one.

01:09:53.000 Just stick with your iPhone and if it breaks, you just throw it away, people.

01:09:55.820 You don't need to get it repaired.

01:09:59.100 You guys, great to talk to you as always.

01:10:01.600 Thanks, Megan.

01:10:02.220 Great to talk to you, Megan.

01:10:03.160 Be well.

01:10:03.480 My sister and I were just going through this, my sister and Abby, I had this like Mac that

01:10:09.480 was just kind of, it died, just died.

01:10:12.280 And she was like, well, you know, we can wipe it and we can donate.

01:10:15.500 I'm like, oh, that sounds nice.

01:10:16.740 And honestly, after this whole Hunter Biden thing, we're like, maybe we'll just smash

01:10:20.480 it.

01:10:20.740 We'll just smash it.

01:10:22.000 Not that I have anything on there of interest whatsoever.

01:10:24.760 I mean, I'm smart enough at this point in my career not to take naked photos of myself.

01:10:28.380 Not really because I think you're going to find them, but because I've had three kids

01:10:30.940 and there's really no reason for anyone to see that.

01:10:33.740 But I think we're going to wind up smashing just, just to be on the safe side.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 23, 2020

The Last Debate with Eric Bolling, Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti ｜ Ep. 14

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