The Megyn Kelly Show - The Obamas' Hypocritical Speeches, and Walz's Lies Continue, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Tim Hogan, and Liz Collin

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.220 Well, last night was night two of the Democratic National Convention,

00:00:18.820 and the Democrats rolled out their biggest stars, their heaviest hitters,

00:00:24.840 Michelle and Barack Obama, who were clearly put on Tuesday to enthuse their voters,

00:00:30.160 but also to keep them far enough away from Kamala's remarks on Thursday

00:00:32.800 that no one's thinking about the contrast in ability. And boy, do the Obamas have ability.

00:00:39.960 They're great speakers, great, at least on prompter. They can read speeches other people

00:00:46.180 wrote for them with all of the appropriate dramatics, tone, moments of emphasis.

00:00:51.980 And it helps when you start out off already a god before the audience that you are addressing,

00:00:58.400 right? You go in there with such goodwill. They're ready. Whatever you say, you could have been like,

00:01:01.680 you know, pineapple, pineapple. They'd be cheering the same way.

00:01:06.100 But they were substantive. That you can't take away. Whether they were truthful is a different story.

00:01:13.460 And of course, the obvious dynamic there last night was that

00:01:16.300 many of the problems they were lamenting went unsolved and were even exacerbated during Barack

00:01:23.640 Obama's eight years as president. Not to mention later again, when his vice president, Joe Biden,

00:01:29.120 became the top dog. All right. Michelle Obama is going to be my focus. We'll get to Obama,

00:01:35.040 Barack Obama too. But let's just start with Michelle. She was the star.

00:01:37.540 With all due respect to Barack Obama, who's no slouch when it comes to oratory,

00:01:42.600 she was the star. Normally, you have to pay three quarters of a million dollars to hear her read a

00:01:47.780 speech. But last night, we got her for free. And she started out with a hefty dose of honesty.

00:01:54.700 We're feeling it here in this arena, but it's spreading all across this country. We love

00:02:01.600 a familiar feeling that's been buried too deep for far too long. You know what I'm talking about.

00:02:12.900 It's the contagious power of hope.

00:02:16.800 The anticipation, the energy, the exhilaration of once again being on the cusp of a brighter day.

00:02:30.660 The chance to vanquish the demons of fear, division, and hate that have consumed us.

00:02:39.420 America, hope is making a comeback.

00:02:42.380 It doesn't seem like she's been enjoying the Biden-Harris year so much.

00:02:54.500 You're not alone, Michelle. But why? Why is she feeling so hopeless?

00:03:00.100 Honestly, sincere question. Why is Michelle Obama so hopeless? This multimillionaire who went to

00:03:05.840 Princeton and Harvard Law School, who became first lady of the United States, who thought so much of

00:03:10.180 herself, she called her own memoir, becoming, becoming, double entendre, get it? That she's hopeless?

00:03:19.640 It makes sense. And she said it wasn't until her husband was nominated for president that she'd ever

00:03:23.320 felt proud of her country. So she's got a bit of a negative Nellie problem privately.

00:03:28.680 It seems unless Michelle and Barack are being actively adored and lavished with praise and

00:03:35.520 accomplishments, she gets a little bitter. Then she ended any doubt that Barack Obama was

00:03:40.640 maneuvering behind the scenes to oust Joe Biden, which we knew, but they haven't admitted it

00:03:44.520 explicitly. This is as close as we're gonna get. Take a listen to how she's been feeling

00:03:49.020 about Mr. Biden's candidacy. To be honest, I am realizing that until recently,

00:03:58.200 I have mourned the dimming of that hope. And maybe you've experienced the same feelings

00:04:06.940 as that deep pit in my stomach, a palpable sense of dread about the future.

00:04:14.440 Oh, wow. Thanks a lot, Michelle. Sure. That's what the Bidens were thinking. Not exactly a

00:04:21.540 ringing endorsement of our sitting president. And what are the odds for those who are still

00:04:26.940 wondering what hand Obama had in this coup or this ouster that Michelle Obama kept her feelings to

00:04:32.440 herself or that her husband didn't share in them or that her husband saw Joe Biden's chances as

00:04:37.760 absolutely terrific. All right. Anyway, they're happy now. Joyful, even word of the night of the

00:04:44.420 convention of the election. Joyful. And of course, on brand hopeful. They are the party of hope and joy,

00:04:51.440 hope and joy. Got it. Pay no attention to the babies being aborted outside of their convention.

00:04:56.320 That's also hopeful and joyful. She tried to set herself up as someone we can all relate to,

00:05:02.320 just a working class girl from the South side of Chicago who comes from a line of people

00:05:06.980 suspicious of rich, fat cats. Listen to this bit about her mom.

00:05:12.400 You see, my mom, in her steady, quiet way, lived out that striving sense of hope every single day of

00:05:23.680 her life. She believed that all children, all people have value, that anyone can succeed if given

00:05:33.620 the opportunity. She and my father didn't aspire to be wealthy. In fact, they were suspicious of folks

00:05:42.220 who took more than they needed. Folks who took more than they needed. Sounds kind of communist,

00:05:51.040 Michelle. Later in the speech, she accused Republicans of, quote, prioritizing building

00:05:55.900 their wealth over ensuring that everyone has enough. See, Michelle and Kamala want to decide

00:06:03.240 when you have enough, how much wealth is enough for you. And it's not until others have enough.

00:06:10.780 But in America, we encourage people to work hard on the promise that anything is possible.

00:06:14.740 The American dream is you can make more of your life than you started out with.

00:06:17.880 There's no addendum that says, once you have what, quote, you need, what the government deems,

00:06:24.480 quote, enough, you need to stop, per the U.S. government. This is just like her husband.

00:06:31.480 Remember Joe the Plumber in 2008? That story dominated the news cycle for weeks, months even.

00:06:37.380 Poor Joe died an early death at age 49 years later. But in 2008, he was the news cycle because he

00:06:45.280 confronted Barack Obama on a rope line about the fact that he worked very hard for over a decade

00:06:50.380 to build his business. And now that he was just starting to edge up, he was looking at expanding,

00:06:55.940 he was about to get hit with a Barack Obama tax, an additional tax increase. And they had this

00:07:02.460 exchange on a rope line where he asked Barack Obama, then candidate Barack Obama, about this tax hike.

00:07:08.960 And Obama defended his tax hike, saying he wants to spread the wealth around. He wanted plumbers

00:07:14.980 like Joe to pay for other people. Barack Obama later admitted on camera that, quote,

00:07:20.100 I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. That's how these people think.

00:07:25.000 They adorn this principle in nice language, like we need to make sure everyone has enough.

00:07:32.680 And what they mean is they need to take money from the people who have worked hard and succeeded and

00:07:36.320 give it to others who may not have worked hard in comparison, who may have not have done anything.

00:07:43.200 Yes, there may be some people who have fallen on hard times and we have a social safety net for

00:07:48.200 them. But this mindset is a little socialistic. That's the truth. And that's why Tim Wallace,

00:07:55.000 by the way, is the perfect running mate for Kamala. So how much how much is enough money,

00:07:59.780 according to the Obamas? Seventy million because public reports estimate that that is their net worth.

00:08:06.680 Trump parlayed on the back of Barack Obama's 14 years of holding political office. He did not

00:08:12.900 spend 50 years in government service. He did a stint in the Illinois State Senate. He did a couple

00:08:17.860 years in the U.S. Senate before he ran for office in one. All right. Then he did two terms as president.

00:08:21.980 And off of that, he's made himself over one hundred million dollars, almost one hundred million

00:08:25.520 dollars, probably over. To be honest, we don't know all of the earnings. The Obamas reportedly own

00:08:30.400 four, count them, four luxury properties, a home in Martha's Vineyard estimated to be worth some 20

00:08:36.040 million bucks. In addition to properties in Washington, D.C., reportedly bought for eight

00:08:40.440 point one million, a beachfront home in Hawaii reportedly bought for eight point seven million

00:08:44.560 and a home bought in Chicago for one point six five million. Is that more than you need,

00:08:51.320 Mr. Obama? Mrs. Obama?

00:08:53.160 Now, Michelle does not like Donald Trump. And for this, I cannot blame her. But the cluelessness

00:09:00.320 of her main attack against him was palpable. Speaking about Kamala, and she's doing the

00:09:07.340 contrast between Trump and Kamala. Michelle said that she understands, Kamala understands that most

00:09:14.300 of us will never be afforded the grace of failing forward. Kamala knows that. She literally just got

00:09:21.980 elevated to the nominee for president after not winning a single primary in a country in which

00:09:26.260 she has record low approval ratings and in which most of her own party, including you, reportedly,

00:09:31.280 Michelle, did not want her or think she could handle the job of president. It feels a little

00:09:36.360 like failing forward to me. Michelle went on saying Kamala, unlike Trump, understands that most of us,

00:09:44.920 quote, will never benefit from the affirmative action of generational wealth. You mean like

00:09:51.600 your kids who definitely got into their Ivy League schools, thanks entirely to their own merit?

00:09:58.300 I'm sure. Unlike Trump, she implied, most of us, if we, quote, choke in a crisis, we don't get a second,

00:10:07.300 third, or fourth chance. Tell it to Tim Walls, whose brand seems to be choking in a crisis.

00:10:15.680 He cut and ran rather than serve in Iraq with his National Guard unit when they got deployed.

00:10:20.900 And when his largest city, once he was governor of Minnesota, was aflame, thanks to the post-George

00:10:26.520 Floyd riots, he let it burn. Despite the mayor of Minneapolis begging him for National Guard troops,

00:10:32.520 he did not send them because he did not want to upset the rioters. It took days. Is that choking

00:10:40.280 in a crisis and now elevated to the vice presidential nominee, getting a second or a third chance?

00:10:47.100 Michelle? She went on, if things don't go our way, we don't have the luxury of whining to get further

00:10:55.420 ahead. Really? You might want to meet one of the speakers from night one of the convention. Her name

00:11:02.200 is Hillary Clinton, who lost to Trump in 2016 and then spent the next four years saying he was an

00:11:08.180 illegitimate president and that Russia helped him steal the election from her. Or maybe Stacey Abrams,

00:11:14.420 your pal down in Georgia, who all but pretended she was the actual governor of Georgia for years

00:11:19.640 after she lost. Is that the kind of whining that you don't do? Michelle lamented that most of us,

00:11:27.040 quote, don't get to change the rules. So we always win. You mean like changing the voting

00:11:33.480 laws in Pennsylvania, the most critical of the critical swing states to allow voting by mail in

00:11:38.580 events of a presidential election, even though the legislature did not approve of this and then

00:11:43.640 fighting to get ballots, not even postmarked by election day, counted as valid votes, that kind of

00:11:48.340 rule changing just to win. Indeed, you're correct, madam. It is annoying. She took a shot at Trump's

00:11:56.320 birtherism claims, and this one was deserved, if over the top.

00:12:02.780 Now, unfortunately, we know what comes next. We know folks are gonna do everything they can

00:12:11.220 to distort her truth. My husband and I sadly know a little something about this.

00:12:20.200 For years, Donald Trump did everything in his power to try to make people fear us.

00:12:28.100 See, his limited, narrow view of the world made him feel threatened by the existence of two hard-working,

00:12:35.660 highly-educated, successful people who happen to be black.

00:12:39.660 I want to know. I want to know. Who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking

00:13:04.280 might just be one of those black jobs?

00:13:12.260 Of course, she went too far. Because Trump's reference to black jobs was obviously a

00:13:17.080 short-form way of saying he wants to help black Americans find jobs. And let's hope he can do it.

00:13:22.360 Because today's jobs report, for all of us, black, white, and otherwise, is absolutely dreadful.

00:13:27.440 The U.S. economy created 818,000 fewer jobs than originally reported in the 12-month period through

00:13:34.460 March of 2024, according to the Labor Department. This just hit. That is the largest downward revision

00:13:39.760 in 15 years. Largest downward revision in 15 years. The Bureau says the actual job growth

00:13:46.640 was nearly 30% less than initially reported over the year. So yeah, black jobs, white jobs,

00:13:55.900 any jobs would be great right now. Doesn't much matter how it's labeled. And you know who created

00:14:02.140 more jobs? Donald Trump, Michelle. She went on to call Trump a con man who is doubling down in this

00:14:10.260 election on, quote, ugly, misogynistic, racist lies. Then she lectured us on the importance of respect,

00:14:17.440 dignity, and empathy. And her husband later got up there and derided, quote, childish nicknames.

00:14:22.520 So nicknames, bad. Calling someone racist and misogynist, good. That's respectful, dignified,

00:14:31.640 empathetic, according to the Obamas. She went on to paint Republicans' efforts to protect minor children

00:14:39.640 just as they now do in Scandinavia and Europe by banning the chopping off of children's healthy

00:14:48.180 body parts and the sterilization of minors in the name of, quote, gender-affirming care as, quote,

00:14:55.720 demonizing our children for being who they are. That's how she phrased it. She said that only makes

00:15:02.940 all of that attempted enforcement of, you know, the consent laws. In all of this, in all of this,

00:15:14.860 her soaring speech, her dishonesty, she was found inspirational by that crowd, which was on its feet

00:15:23.100 in adoration. And that is where Michelle is in her sweet spot. Misleading, attacking Republicans,

00:15:29.740 ripping the foundational ideals of America, and finding herself once again the subject of Democrats

00:15:37.780 worship. Joining me now are the three hosts of The Morning Meeting, a fast-growing interactive show

00:15:44.860 on the Two Way YouTube channel. Mark Halperin is editor-in-chief of Two Way. Sean Spicer is a

00:15:50.480 former White House press secretary and host of The Sean Spicer Show. And Tim Hogan is a Democratic

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00:16:35.940 Guys, welcome to the show. Great to have you back. Mark, I'll start with you. What did you make of

00:16:41.900 Michelle and Barack? Just one small correction. Tim is also America's sweetheart.

00:16:46.200 I thought most telling for me was I watched Flipped Around After and on Fox, Dana Perino and

00:16:56.880 Britt Hume were swooning over them. They had some nitpicks, but they were swooning. They're technically

00:17:02.200 very proficient. As you said, they can read slash deliver a speech as well as anybody. They have huge

00:17:08.140 star power. If there were if there were a thumbs up and thumbs down in the hall and I watched from the

00:17:12.900 floor, it'd be lots of thumbs up, probably unanimous. I have no idea what battleground state voters will

00:17:19.180 think of it to the extent they hear about it or have watched it. And there's some reason to believe

00:17:23.860 that they helped her become president of the Democratic Party. They helped Kamala Harris become

00:17:29.160 president of the Democratic Party. Less obvious, although not impossible, they helped her actually

00:17:33.400 become president. Yeah, no question it went over huge in the room. And I have to say, I know Dana and

00:17:40.440 Britt, and I think they were reacting to what I outlined at the top of my remarks. She's an

00:17:45.360 excellent speaker. So is he. There's no better. I mean, the Democrat Party has two superstars in these

00:17:52.220 two, and they start off absolutely beloved. But Sean, you get down to substance, and this is why I

00:17:57.680 focused in just on hers, but we'll get to his too. It starts to fall apart pretty quickly.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, I thought your monologue was spot on. The bottom line is, I mean, she's talking about

00:18:08.700 the theme that Kamala Harris has been pushing, this idea of socialism and communism. We want people to

00:18:14.060 come to America to live the American dream, to succeed, to do well for them, to prosper,

00:18:18.540 to build a business, to work for a company that they want to and take care of their family.

00:18:22.480 And she's out there telling people, well, you only get as much as you need, and then we'll take the

00:18:27.120 rest. At the same time, as you pointed out, her net worth is over $70 million for houses. God bless

00:18:32.580 them. Good for them. I have no problem with it. I do agree with you. It's a little interesting how

00:18:36.240 they made their money, but that's another subject. But the bottom line is, is that I want everyone in

00:18:40.880 America to do well. I want them to lift themselves up. I want them to get the opportunity. But she wants

00:18:45.320 one thing for her and one thing for everyone else, and it's a common theme. I thought last night was

00:18:48.840 very schizophrenic. You got Bernie Sanders on there being like, we need healthcare for all and public

00:18:53.760 financing. And then you got her demonizing this, Doug Emhoff making, I thought, a good speech.

00:18:58.560 I was like a whiplash night of messaging. All right, Tim, where am I going wrong in my take

00:19:05.180 on Michelle Obama? Look, that was like 15 minutes to start with, so I don't know that I have 15 minutes

00:19:10.620 to respond. Look, I think there is a point here that we have record levels of inequality in America.

00:19:19.340 We have a social safety net, but there are tons of holes in that social safety net, whether it's

00:19:23.760 families struggling with childcare, whether it is being able to care for elder parents and elderly

00:19:30.540 care and how expensive that is, day-to-day costs. Look, you can be a successful person, to Sean's

00:19:36.620 point, in America, and then look back down the ladder, be thankful for how successful you were,

00:19:43.180 and say, this system has to be better. That's what we trust our public officials to do. So I think it's

00:19:47.680 very hard to begrudge the success of someone as a point to say, well, you can't call for

00:19:54.740 government intervention to have a social program that helps people, that provides daycare, that

00:19:59.820 provides childcare, that provides healthcare to people. And I think we get to this esoteric level

00:20:04.520 where any type of government intervention feels like socialism or communism. I'm just not sure people

00:20:07.980 buy that. People have a lived experience where they're struggling day-to-day, and they want to hear

00:20:12.400 people like the former president and Michelle Obama see and understand and weave their story,

00:20:18.460 their narrative, how they grew up, who their parents were, what their life was like, and they

00:20:22.940 see that reflected back to them. I think that's why that speech was so effective.

00:20:26.780 Megan, can I make one quick point, though? And Tim suggested this. People are struggling out there.

00:20:30.740 Michelle Obama talking about hope returning. And I'm like, does anyone know who's in the White

00:20:34.880 House right now? She's there. She is in the White House. She's the vice president. And these guys are

00:20:40.420 acting like a bunch of Republicans are in charge. They're in charge of the White House. It is their

00:20:46.020 policies that have put us here. And last night was sort of an attempt to make people forget who's

00:20:52.480 running the country. I get they pushed Biden out of the way, but she's the vice president. She's a

00:20:57.840 partner. And these are her policies. Yeah. I mean, I just... Go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just

00:21:04.440 going to say, like, you know, the project is not over, right, because we have the White House. We didn't

00:21:08.800 pass all the policies we wanted to. Republicans have a very easy agenda when they're in power

00:21:12.660 because they put conservative judges, you know, they use they run them through the Senate. They

00:21:17.980 do tax cuts through reconciliation. It's I would love to be a Republican. It's so easy to make the

00:21:22.880 government not work. Just throw sand in the gear. It's so easy. But Tim, that's not that's not Sean's

00:21:27.160 point. Sean's point is the Obamas are known for audacity. And that was quite a bit of audacity to

00:21:31.960 basically say this was a central theme of her speech. Things are so hopeless now. Right. They're so

00:21:37.700 hopeless. Hope is coming back. And look over there. The number two person in charge of hope

00:21:42.040 apparently isn't doing that good a job, but she'd like a promotion. I think that is more on the

00:21:46.900 speech. I think it's more about the looming cloud of Donald Trump is what I would say. I think that's

00:21:51.120 what she was alluding to. Yeah. I mean, that's why I split up her remarks, because she seemed to hit

00:21:55.820 it in two different ways, which led me to believe that the first negative Nellie moment was about

00:22:00.340 where we are right now. And the new hope is thanks to Kamala coming in. But Barack Obama's

00:22:07.040 his whole speech seemed to really be about. The government is here to help you like we need

00:22:12.720 more government. And one of his regrets when he spoke up there was, and I'll quote,

00:22:17.640 he's worried that this is a country where too many Americans are still struggling,

00:22:22.180 where a lot of Americans don't believe government can help. And he says, as we're gathering here,

00:22:30.040 people are asking who will fight for me? Who's thinking about my future, about my children's future,

00:22:34.840 no one, no one, Mr. President, this is America. It's not a nanny state. You, you worry about your

00:22:42.680 kids. You worry about yourself. The government is there to help the people who fall the lowest.

00:22:47.080 And we do that in America. But no, the answer is I am not thinking about you or your kids. And I

00:22:53.460 don't want you government thinking about me or mine. All I could think of when I listened to Barack

00:22:58.060 Obama the whole night, the whole speech was this guy, um, sought six. I've always felt the

00:23:07.900 nine most terrifying words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

00:23:16.340 Sean, do you feel me? Yeah, I, I just, I, like I said, I felt like, like this has been off. I feel

00:23:23.760 like they set up a convention that was for Biden. They kicked him out and they were like, uh, we'll

00:23:28.940 have, we'll change some signs. But 70% of Americans don't know who Kamala Harris really is or what they

00:23:34.280 stand for. I, I will give credit to Doug Emhoff. He gave a great speech. I felt like if I, if I didn't

00:23:40.440 know what I know about Kamala Harris, I'd like to meet her after the description that he gave last

00:23:44.760 night. She seems like a very nice person. They need more Doug Emhoff and less Barack Obama. Barack

00:23:51.140 Obama gave this almost like, here's what I regret not doing speech. I got to be honest.

00:23:56.300 Can I unleash my Doug Emhoff? Yes. I'll bring you one second. But Doug Emhoff was like a sweet guy

00:24:02.140 when he was speaking up there, like his affect clearly loves Kamala. That's nice. But I have

00:24:07.420 to be honest with you. All I could think about was the first wife story. I'm looking at him and

00:24:11.880 the Democrats tweeted out from their like elect Kamala Harris Twitter account. Um, who would have

00:24:17.700 thought when he met Kamala Harris years ago, he'd be marrying the future president of the United

00:24:22.440 States. And I can think it was not his first wife on whom he cheated with the nanny, creating some

00:24:28.300 love child who was either aborted or is fatherless at the moment. Like, why would you send out that

00:24:33.220 tweet? All I could think of when I was looking at him was about this new story. I just, I gotta be

00:24:38.680 honest. I probably wouldn't have used him. It had, I've been running the democratic national

00:24:41.880 comment. I probably would have used like somebody else. They did use a couple of people to tell nice

00:24:46.000 stories about Kamala. That was good. I appreciated that, but I don't think he was the guy, even

00:24:49.820 though he's likable. Do you think the media is not going to let us know, you know that, and your

00:24:56.360 audience knows that I know that, but I think that the mainstream legacy media has done everything

00:25:01.460 to cover up anything negative about not just Doug Emhoff, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz. And I agree with

00:25:07.780 you. I mean, that's the real Doug Emhoff, but the speech last night, this whole thing has been about

00:25:12.760 presenting people who really aren't who they say they are, right? I mean, that's the Tim Walz story.

00:25:18.420 That's what's going on now. And I will say again, knowing if you didn't know anything and you just

00:25:23.380 woke up, which is what I think a lot of Americans who are finally tuning in are doing right now, the

00:25:28.500 media is presenting a case for these people that is completely oblivious to the reality of who they

00:25:34.900 truly are. But it's not a bad story to have. If you're going to get one told about you.

00:25:39.640 Mark, what were you going to say before I interrupted?

00:25:42.540 That's okay. On Sean's just point, Sean just made having home court advantage and the referees

00:25:46.980 on your side is a great thing. And so they're able to get away with myth-making that the Republicans

00:25:51.380 would be called on. It's just a reality. Let me unleash my, unleash my inner Doris Kearns Goodwin

00:25:56.820 for just a second. Barack Obama did things as president that Bill Clinton would never have dreamed

00:26:02.440 of doing because they were way too progressive. Joe Biden has done things that Barack Obama would

00:26:07.360 never dream to have done because he thought that the traffic wouldn't bear it. It would be too risky

00:26:12.640 for a Democrat to do it. Kamala Harris has already proposed in her limited proposals,

00:26:17.280 price controls on groceries. Joe Biden would never have gone for that. And so what was left unspoken

00:26:23.700 last night, Barack Obama acted like there was a through line between his economic philosophy

00:26:27.820 and Kamala Harris's and there just isn't. The party has moved really far to the left since Barack

00:26:33.540 Obama. And he's, he's not going to say that, but that's the, that's the project for the Trump

00:26:38.300 campaign to say, you guys may have thought Barack Obama was really liberal on economics. This is a

00:26:43.120 whole different thing. Yeah. Can I just say like, there is, there is no clear message from the Trump

00:26:48.380 campaign on how they are trying to paint Kamala Harris. And it comes from the top down. And I think

00:26:52.620 that's why Republicans haven't found their footing is because Donald Trump goes off at every rally that

00:26:56.740 he's talking about says he's entitled to personal insults, but like, what, what is the point here?

00:27:01.020 Is it that Kamala Harris is a continuation of Joe Biden who is more centrist? Is it Kamala Harris is a

00:27:07.740 leftist, uh, from California? Um, is it that Kamala Harris, she is a chameleon. You don't know who she's

00:27:14.300 going to be. I just don't think that the Trump campaign has a message to land it. And on top of that,

00:27:18.700 you have Trump who just wants to prosecute the case against Biden. He can't, he can't let it go.

00:27:22.880 So, um, you know, everything you just said is true.

00:27:28.200 All of the above. A, B, C, and D. Yeah, it's true. That, that is, that is one of the major

00:27:34.040 problems that the Republicans are suffering from right now. Um, and I don't know that they've

00:27:37.820 solved it. I mean, they're in their defense, they're a little new to fighting Kamala Harris.

00:27:41.720 This whole thing happened pretty quickly, but you're used to Trump finding the way in on a defining

00:27:46.980 somebody earlier, sooner, and more effectively than he has here. So, you know, we'll see whether

00:27:52.300 they eventually get there. Um, I do want to play this clip from Doug Hemhoff because he decided

00:27:57.540 this was his attempt to get us to love Kamala. And I've got to tell you, it did not land for me.

00:28:06.300 I was like, I was waiting for a bigger conclusion and it didn't land bigly. Here's this moment.

00:28:13.840 I don't, I don't want to give away too much. Sat 13. A few days ago during this incredible time

00:28:21.560 we're going through, there was a brief window when Kamala was back at home and I saw her sitting on

00:28:27.540 her favorite chair. And in the middle of a wild month, I just hoped that she was having a quiet

00:28:33.500 moment to herself. But then I realized she was on the phone. And of course, my met, my mind went to

00:28:39.680 all the potential crises that the vice president could be dealing with. Was it domestic? Was it

00:28:45.460 foreign? Was it campaign? I could see she was focused. And all I knew was that it must be

00:28:52.440 something important. And it turns out it was Ella had called her. That's Kamala. That's Kamala.

00:29:02.940 Tim, I'm sorry, but like, so she took a phone call from her stepdaughter. What? How about like,

00:29:12.700 call Nobel? Get her on the short list. What was that about?

00:29:18.900 I mean, look, I will say, I think Doug Emhoff's speech was very good because you need to put,

00:29:23.360 you know, like as a spouse, the way that they've, uh, and the kids that they are raising together in

00:29:28.360 a blended family and the way that they tell that story, um, and how Doug's previous wife has talked

00:29:33.960 about how good Kamala is as a parent. I think there is a strong familial story there just to

00:29:38.920 push back on, on what you said earlier. But look, this is about humanization, right? It's about not

00:29:43.400 just seeing this person as someone who is running for vice president or someone who was a DA or an

00:29:48.860 attorney general. There's a message to communicate there in paid advertising. She's tough, tough,

00:29:52.500 tough. Uh, that is obviously something they're leaning into, but we haven't heard a speech like that

00:29:57.540 from a validated, from a character witness who knows and has lived with Kamala Harris and has

00:30:02.560 a lived experience with Kamala Harris. And it's just about making her real about connecting her.

00:30:07.220 But let me, let me just interrupt. I'll give you back the floor. Here's why it didn't work for me.

00:30:11.740 If it had been like a really, like Ella was down, Ella had just had this massive disappointment.

00:30:16.660 Ella, do you know who she reached out to? Kamala. And Kamala was in the middle of taking the phone

00:30:20.420 call, you know, uh, from Barack Obama saying she was now the nominee. And she said, Mr. President,

00:30:24.780 I can't speak to you now. Ella's here and she needs, okay, now I'm with you. It was like,

00:30:28.960 she spoke on the phone with Ella, but it was like her intense, I think it's like her intense focus,

00:30:34.700 right? Her, her, her like love for her kids. I think that is what he was going for. You know,

00:30:38.960 whether you thought that was good. We can stipulate that was not the best story in his speech,

00:30:43.240 but, and we don't know how swing voters would feel about it. But I think the whole project is to

00:30:47.860 make her 3d before the Republicans make her a, you know, a villain. And, and I thought for a guy who has

00:30:53.900 not given a lot of huge speeches, just as a matter of presentation, it was so authentic sounding. It

00:31:00.180 was so casual. It was so conversational and people were leaning in. I was on the floor and again,

00:31:04.940 they're not the most, you know, neutral audience, but it was, it was a well-told story and not

00:31:10.160 everybody can do that. And that's, you know, effective speech making. Tim, what do you make

00:31:14.400 of the fact that the Obamas went on Tuesday and now tonight, Wednesday, we get Bill Clinton,

00:31:18.820 obviously Tim Walls goes tonight too, but Bill Clinton, you know, if you're just sketching it

00:31:23.400 out on paper, you would say Bill Clinton goes on Tuesday and the Obamas go on Wednesday. They're

00:31:27.940 more recent. They're bigger stars. You know, Hillary went on Monday. That made sense. My theory,

00:31:34.200 as I said in the opening is they did not want those two great orators too close to the main event.

00:31:40.100 It would just be too dramatic a contrast. Oh, I don't know. Um, I mean, I think it's not

00:31:45.280 necessarily chronological. Like you look at the way that they've done, uh, Monday through Thursday

00:31:49.480 here. Um, and I think, look, it is about spreading out the energy, right? And I do think what we've

00:31:55.100 seen from Kamala Harris on the stump, we're going to get an obvious updated version of that on

00:32:00.360 Thursday, but she's been electric. It is, it is very different. I think this is a problem for

00:32:03.860 Republicans too, is they really want to run against the Kamala Harris also of 2019. They want to look

00:32:10.060 backwards and want to just look at every, every policy that she rolled out in a 29 person

00:32:14.220 democratic primary use that. They want to look at any of the verbal flubs or gaffes that she made

00:32:18.040 back in 2019 and say, that's who she is now. And I don't know if that is to take comfort in it,

00:32:22.700 but that is not who she is now. That, that is not, that is not the delivery of speeches that we're

00:32:27.040 seeing. Well, I mean, look, look, look at her on the stump. She's, she has gone and talked to

00:32:32.040 reporters at Gaggles. Look, an interview is coming end of August. It's happening. It's happening.

00:32:37.220 Is it with Jen Psaki? Is it with Jen Psaki? But she is performing better is my point. She has,

00:32:42.420 she is meeting the moment in a way. And I think that is also part of the reason you're seeing a

00:32:45.540 lot of energy from Democrats where they've raised $500 million is, is she is meeting the moment.

00:32:49.780 The money, the money's big. It's very helpful. I will say, and I, I know this is not a unique

00:32:55.280 thought. The DJ playing the music during the roll call was absolutely brilliant. I thoroughly enjoyed

00:33:02.380 it. It was like the one time you're, you're really entertained by the roll call. What I saw in

00:33:06.680 the various States when they actually did their roll call was a different story. Thinking about you,

00:33:11.040 New Jersey, my, where I am right now, I could have done, we could have done better in New Jersey.

00:33:16.220 So that was good. And I actually predict that will be the norm. It was so good. That'll be the norm

00:33:20.300 in every convention hereafter, because it was just so electric and energizing and the DJ was great.

00:33:25.660 And they had a little John there playing. So it was like the Democrats do, they do pump and

00:33:31.360 circumstance very well. And I do think that is, that's a contrast between them and the Republicans,

00:33:38.220 Sean. I mean, you got to admit, it's just, yeah, they're very good at it.

00:33:43.400 I would say nine times out of 10, that's true. This past convention that the Republicans put

00:33:47.600 together, I thought was hands down the best overall performance of any convention that I've seen in

00:33:52.340 modern history. So there are bits and pieces that I'm sure the Democrats will excel at. And that's why

00:33:56.900 you have Jeffrey Katzenberg and Steven Spielberg and the rest of Hollywood, the benefit of them.

00:34:01.340 But when I walked away from that Republican convention, the goal is, is to, to get people

00:34:06.940 excited about voting for your ticket and your team. And I think the Republicans, when I walked

00:34:11.860 out of there, the energy was, you know, there was enthusiasm, excitement. People were fired up,

00:34:16.900 ready to go. Obviously that's pre-Kamala getting pushed in. But the bottom line is, as I said last

00:34:21.540 night, I felt schizophrenic. I'm like, what are you guys for? You haven't really explained who she is.

00:34:26.140 You haven't told me what you're for. I get that they might have bits and pieces of really well

00:34:30.960 produced Hollywood kind of themed events and moments, but net net, I still think that this

00:34:36.840 year's now in the past, you're absolutely right. It was kind of boring and stale, but this year,

00:34:41.500 I think they added an element of excitement and difference. I mean, you know, Hulk Hogan,

00:34:45.220 Dana White, and they aren't A-list celebrities. I'll give you that. But it added an element of

00:34:50.440 showmanship that is a little bit more of the Donald Trump era.

00:34:53.840 Let me say, if I could say something about the two events. I was on the floor for a lot of both

00:35:00.280 conventions and the Republican convention, as Sean said, was extremely well produced. I thought they

00:35:04.560 incorporated the band really well. If they do want to do something special with the roll call in

00:35:09.660 2028, they should have Hee Haw do Picking and a Grinning rather than the DJ. I think that would

00:35:14.140 better fit the party. Here are two problems with the Democratic event. And again, I'm watching in the

00:35:18.900 hall, so I don't know how it is on TV, but you want high energy in the hall. First of all,

00:35:22.500 I see this every four years. Republicans sit and they pay attention to all the speakers and they

00:35:27.140 react looking at them. The Democrats are there to have a party. And so literally, some of them

00:35:32.480 aren't facing the speakers. They're chatting. They're taking selfies. They're on their phone.

00:35:35.660 They're running after people. It's much less focused on the program. And that dilutes the energy.

00:35:40.300 The other thing is the audio in the hall is not very good if you're further back. So where I was

00:35:45.300 for Doug Emhoff's speech, all the way in the back of the hall, the delegates around me were really

00:35:49.420 having trouble making out what he was saying. And that, again, dilutes the energy. In the Republican

00:35:53.760 convention, the audio is great everywhere. And obviously, audio is a huge thing here. So it's

00:35:58.980 not it's not you say they're, you know, Spielberg and Hollywood and all that. They are having some

00:36:03.120 technical issues that I think are affecting the energy level, at least in the hall.

00:36:06.960 They're not as good at the live events, but they're making sure the screen looks good.

00:36:10.400 They're good at. I did think this is interesting. There was a report from Fox News

00:36:13.860 that Kamala Harris was not in the hall last night. She was actually back in Milwaukee,

00:36:20.380 Wisconsin, where the RNC had its convention because because it was weird when Doug Emhoff,

00:36:26.420 her her husband spoke, she wasn't there. And then Barack and Michelle, the damn superstars,

00:36:31.220 she wasn't there. It was like, well, wait, where is she? She was there on night one.

00:36:34.800 And the report by Fox News was Jackie Henrich, I believe, was that she intentionally did not go

00:36:40.800 because of the rift between Barack Obama and Joe Biden, that it would have been seen as a betrayal

00:36:47.740 of Joe Biden to be there while Barack Obama, the man who stuck the knife in the Brutus of the story,

00:36:53.820 got up there and celebrated his good work. And so she peaced out, went to Wisconsin for the whole

00:37:00.020 thing. Here was Barack Obama trying to massage those ruffled feathers sought for.

00:37:06.660 At a time when the other party had turned into a cult of personality,

00:37:15.760 we needed a leader who was steady and brought people together and was selfless enough to do

00:37:24.620 the rarest thing there is in politics, putting his own ambition aside for the sake of the country.

00:37:31.820 History will remember Joe Biden as an outstanding president who defended democracy

00:37:41.520 at a moment of great danger. And I am proud to call him my president, but I am even prouder

00:37:49.940 to call him my friend. All right, Mark, you're the one with the inside scoop on this whole drama

00:37:55.220 since it started. So what did you make of that? I don't think the Fox report is accurate from what

00:38:01.460 I know. The Democrats chose a convention to have a convention in a battleground-less state. This is

00:38:07.740 not a battleground, Illinois. It is bluer than blue. They didn't go to Atlanta because of union issues.

00:38:13.600 They had the convention here because hotels are mostly union. And I think what they were doing was

00:38:18.440 trying to make a play in Wisconsin because that's one of seven states that will decide who wins.

00:38:22.540 I think it's as simple as Wisconsin has electoral votes.

00:38:26.440 So do you reject that there's a rift between Obama and Biden?

00:38:30.620 Oh, no, there is. But I don't think that's why Kamala Harris wasn't here. She gave him the

00:38:34.520 marquee position at the convention and they approved the text that allowed particularly Barack Obama

00:38:41.320 and, well, both Barack Obama and Michelle Obama to memory hold the Biden administration.

00:38:46.640 So I don't think that they...

00:38:48.540 She was just busy trying to win votes in Wisconsin on the second night of her convention.

00:38:53.840 I think it was convenient scheduling, put it that way. And if that was a bonus of it,

00:38:58.220 all good for her. But I do think that the issue that you're touching on, look,

00:39:02.340 what Michelle Obama, I mean, she politically shivved him last night saying that hope is,

00:39:07.260 we need to restore hope. I mean, this, the rift is real. Barack Obama pushed him out in 2016 for the

00:39:13.260 first time and he did it again this year, right? This is, this is a real thing. Joe Biden feels

00:39:18.440 slighted. There's no question about it. And I think, you know, it's not just him, but you think

00:39:22.740 about what they did to him the first night. This is the sitting president of the United States and

00:39:26.700 the guy doesn't take stage until after 1130 at PM Eastern Standard Time. This isn't, I mean,

00:39:32.720 they have snubbed and disrespected this guy after all that he's done for them. It's pretty

00:39:38.160 unbelievable. That rift is real and it's probably growing bigger every night that he has to stew

00:39:43.840 and sit there in California and watch it. All right, here, speaking of the honor.

00:39:49.200 Yeah, go ahead. The honorary chair of the Democratic National Committee is football legend

00:39:54.740 Al Davis. The only premise they're operating on now is just win, baby. And Joe Biden kind of gets

00:40:00.880 that. And most of Joe Biden's aides get that. They'll do anything to try to win this. And if that

00:40:05.160 means shivving the sitting president, if that means showing him disrespect, that's what they'll do.

00:40:11.260 Yeah, I mean, that makes sense when you put it that way. And they're good. They're good at winning.

00:40:15.320 You know, like I was saying in the opening. And Al Davis never lost. Al Davis never lost a

00:40:19.520 presidential campaign undefeated. But the Democrats, I know, and they've done a very effective job of

00:40:28.120 maneuvering at the ballot box in order to win. This was a low moment, Sean, when Barack Obama got

00:40:37.180 up there. And again, we'd just been lectured to by his wife about respect and dignity and the return

00:40:41.840 of empathy and all that. And then he doubled down on those same comments. And yet there was this little

00:40:46.640 ditty. And for the listening audience, I'll describe what he does at the end. But take a listen

00:40:50.500 to Sot 5. Here's a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems

00:41:01.540 since he rode down his golden escalator nine years ago. It has been a constant stream of gripes and

00:41:11.220 grievances that's actually been getting worse now that he's afraid of losing to Kamala.

00:41:20.500 There's the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this weird obsession with crowd sizes.

00:41:40.780 Okay. Now you had to really see it to appreciate it because it was clearly a reference to Trump's

00:41:46.220 manhood. And Obama was holding his hands out in front of him, almost like dealing with a slide

00:41:51.380 ruler, like bringing him big and then bringing him in tight again. It was a, it was jab at Trump's

00:41:57.060 manhood. That'll make twice that, um, in covering the national presidential race on a debate stage or

00:42:03.640 on a presidential, uh, convention stage, I've seen a man make a reference to penis size. It happened at

00:42:10.120 the Republican debate, uh, in Michigan in 2016 that I was at. That's where Trump kept going. Like,

00:42:17.400 no, I don't have little hands. I didn't have, I don't have little hands cause he got attacked.

00:42:20.840 And now here again, here's the former president of the United States making a D joke

00:42:24.420 in front of a national audience. What did you think of that?

00:42:27.180 Yeah. I think it's interesting that a group of folks that is so outraged by insults and name

00:42:34.680 calling has no problem with name calling and insults. It's just that it's okay when they do

00:42:40.760 it. Right. So when they demean somebody, when they call somebody a name, it's okay. When Trump fights

00:42:46.120 back or call someone a name, it's a problem. So it's just, it's fascinating to me what they get away

00:42:52.140 with. Uh, I don't know why it continues to shock me 10 years later, but at the end of the day,

00:42:56.560 the other thing is, is that I think what attracts so many people to Trump is the authenticity,

00:43:02.640 the ability for him to say and do things that no other politician would. And it's something that

00:43:06.840 most of these guys just don't get, um, that this poll tested message testing that most politicians

00:43:12.820 get up and spew out is kind of what the opposite of who Trump is. And I think what attracts most

00:43:18.360 people to him. There's somebody asked me today, Megan, it was funny. They said, you know, when he spoke

00:43:22.000 yesterday, he was very scripted. And I go, so let me get this straight. When he's scripted,

00:43:26.560 you have a problem with it. When he's unscripted, you want him more scripted. You guys never seem

00:43:31.960 to know what you want in the media. And they were like, well, I guess that's a fair point.

00:43:35.260 Trump has a uniqueness. And I think he plays to his strengths on that. And it's just, like I said,

00:43:39.500 ironic that the Democrats have no problem with name calling as long as it's going from their

00:43:44.240 direction outward. Okay, so on that front, Mark, you had yesterday a remarkable incident where Trump

00:43:50.760 appeared. Um, where was it, uh, where he got asked? Michigan. Oh, he's in Michigan. Howell,

00:43:57.800 Michigan. So he goes to Howell, Michigan, and you got left-wing articles being written about how this

00:44:03.100 is the home of the KKK. The Grand Wizard used to live in Howell. And, um, now we know it was a Fox

00:44:08.640 News reporter who asked him about those reports. And here's how that went.

00:44:15.640 Who was here in 2021? Thank you. Thank you.

00:44:29.640 Even the cops behind him are laughing at it, Mark. But that's, that was an effective way to deal with

00:44:37.960 these personal charges. You know, it's not enough to say his policies are bad. You heard of Barack,

00:44:42.720 Michelle, he's racist. He's misogynistic. He goes to Howell. He's racist. They didn't say

00:44:46.720 that about Joe Biden, but this is what Trump has to deal with. If you're looking for signs of

00:44:51.680 discipline, he did one line, dropped the mic and walked off. So that's a pretty good discipline. And

00:44:56.020 of course, the press knew Joe Biden had been there had been reported. They wanted to just ignore it.

00:45:00.200 It's another example of the bias that Trump has to deal with. On the insult thing, you reference the

00:45:05.060 Detroit debate. That's an important antecedent. I'll go back earlier, the White House Correspondents

00:45:09.680 Dinner, when Barack Obama engaged in a similar attempt to embarrass, humiliate, mock Donald Trump.

00:45:18.680 And I can't tell you for sure, Sean might know better than I do, but I've done reporting on it. I can't

00:45:23.280 say for sure that's what got Donald Trump to run for president and to want to repudiate Barack Obama,

00:45:27.560 but I don't think it hurt. And if Trump wins this race, I bet you he tells us that what happened last

00:45:33.240 night really revved him up to say, I just won't be mocked like that. I'm going to get, I'm going to,

00:45:38.040 you know, rev myself up.

00:45:39.660 You do wonder whether Trump is gearing up right now, because before last night, he actually said,

00:45:43.820 I like Barack Obama and I like his wife. I respect them. And then they got up there and made fun of

00:45:49.180 his D size and called them names, racist, misogynistic and so on. I mean, I realized

00:45:54.560 there's a history there that this didn't just start last night, but yeah, I don't know. Like

00:45:58.360 when given the opportunity to turn the page, maybe it's nice to take it. However, can I just want to

00:46:03.800 win tonight? Tonight is Tim Waltz's night and I will, we're talking about the media coverage. I will

00:46:08.940 be really interested to see how this goes because we saw yesterday and I don't want to, I'm not here

00:46:14.240 to litigate all of these issues, but we've seen the DWI arrest. We've seen issues now with him

00:46:19.040 claiming IVF treatments for his family and his wife that didn't happen the way that he said,

00:46:23.620 and it's obviously the military service. And then as you pointed out earlier in the show,

00:46:27.440 how he handled the Minnesota riots, this is a pattern. And I know Axios likes to call it gaffs,

00:46:33.040 but if this were the other side, they call it lying, how they cover Tim Waltz tonight and whether or not

00:46:37.800 they ignore this pattern that we're seeing about from Tim Waltz over and over again, year after

00:46:44.140 year after year lying. Cause that's what it is about aspects of his life will be interesting.

00:46:50.260 Now. I think I know where this ends up. I've seen the movie, but I will be interested to see

00:46:54.480 how this plays out. Um, I've got to ask you a short on time about Stephanie Grism, uh, who worked for

00:47:03.140 you, Sean, when you were at the, apparently we're out of time now. No, no, no. I, there's just enough

00:47:09.860 time to get this in. Boy, talk about shiving him. And honestly, it was an effective shiv.

00:47:15.940 And then with all due respect to Stephanie, you go to her Wikipedia page, just go to her Wikipedia

00:47:20.340 page. John Pedroitz tweeted it out. So I did it and I was shocked. Um, I'll play a little bit of

00:47:25.460 what she said behind closed doors. Trump mocks his supporters. He calls them basement dwellers

00:47:32.700 on January 6th. I asked Melania if we could at least tweet that while peaceful protest is the

00:47:39.880 right of every American, there's no place for lawlessness or violence. She replied with one

00:47:46.740 word. No. I became the first senior staffer to resign that day. When I was press secretary,

00:47:56.860 I got skewered for never holding a white house briefing. It's because unlike my boss,

00:48:03.140 I never wanted to stand at that podium and lie. Kamala Harris tells the truth.

00:48:09.860 She respects the American people and she has my vote.

00:48:18.220 Sean, you, what did you make of it? And is Stephanie in your experience, an honest person?

00:48:23.360 Um, here's what I'll say. Unlike Stephanie, if I have a problem with somebody, I share it with

00:48:31.260 them. I don't air my grievances publicly the way that she chose to. I believe that president Trump

00:48:36.740 gave us an honor by giving us the jobs that he did to serve the American people. And if we have a

00:48:41.560 problem, uh, there's certain ways to deal with it. I don't, I would not share the method and the

00:48:46.820 tactic that she used. And I also don't, you, I don't know that that version of Trump, I've, I did

00:48:52.320 an entire documentary on the people that follow Trump. I sat down with him. He has great respect

00:48:57.120 for the supporters. Um, so I don't know the person that she described last night. I don't think that

00:49:02.880 that's the way that you handle concerns. And I think that if you're given the honor and the privilege

00:49:06.720 to have a job as I did, and then she subsequently did, uh, if you have a disagreement, you handle it very

00:49:12.260 differently. And I think going to the democratic national convention and, and this isn't just a

00:49:17.540 difference. We talked about this for the last 45 minutes. What Kamala Harris and her policies will

00:49:22.260 do to this country, in my opinion, is devastating. And to get up there and say that you're going to

00:49:26.360 support them because you have a personality difference with Donald Trump to me is a serious,

00:49:31.460 uh, lapse in judgment. And I just, I think that I don't know what people are doing when they do that

00:49:37.940 on the Republican side, these people, they're not coming over to the conservative side. They

00:49:41.660 literally fundamentally want to take this country in a direction that I find, you know, abhorrent.

00:49:47.100 That's obviously a betrayal guys. Thank you both so much. Up next, a deep dive.

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00:51:27.600 You're welcome. Now I'm joined by an excellent Minnesota reporter who knows Governor Tim Walls

00:51:36.560 well. The controversies, his campaign is embroiled in and his policies in her state. And she's been

00:51:42.940 reporting on him for years. Uh, a new lie was revealed this week. You heard Sean Spicer reference

00:51:49.540 it. The truth about what role, if any IVF in vitro fertilization played in governor Walsh and his

00:51:58.620 wife's family. Joining me now to discuss it all. Liz Collin. She's a journalist for alpha news. Liz,

00:52:05.460 welcome back to the show. Just as a reminder, we had Liz on when she dropped her documentary,

00:52:10.160 uh, on the Derek Chauvin trial and the absolute skewering of Chauvin and his fellow policemen in

00:52:17.460 connection with the death of George Floyd. There is so much truth in this episode. It was, uh,

00:52:23.720 episode six 70 on the documentary. Remind me of the exact name of the documentary, Liz.

00:52:28.700 The fall of Minneapolis. Yep. The fall of Minneapolis. I watched it and how can people

00:52:33.140 watch it? Cause now they're going to want to. Yeah. Well, thank you for having me back on,

00:52:37.600 uh, Megan. As you know, there was a lot of material we weren't even able to, to cover in our

00:52:42.120 conversation before, but appreciate you having me back on to, to talk about all of this is so much

00:52:46.800 has transpired here the last, uh, couple of weeks in Minnesota, but it's the fall of Minneapolis.com.

00:52:51.540 People can watch it there for free. It's also on rumble and on YouTube as well. Uh, many more

00:52:56.860 people, uh, have seen it now, uh, since governor walls was, was tapped by Kamala Harris as his VP

00:53:03.080 pick. Um, and really this is sort of what this was even all about for us a couple of years ago,

00:53:08.420 just really pointing out the lack of leadership in this state that led to the worst riots in U S

00:53:13.840 history. So you are, so the audience knows, um, an anchor at alpha news. You're a multi Emmy award

00:53:20.260 winning reporter and anchor, and you happen to live in Minnesota. You're married, you have a kid,

00:53:26.220 you have a dog, you're a Minnesotan and have been looking at this governor. I think it's fair to say,

00:53:32.020 and been rather alarmed at some of the lies he's been telling and policies he's been pushing.

00:53:37.760 And so we want to go through them because first of all, can I just get your overall reaction?

00:53:42.760 It's amazing to me, even as cynical as I am about our media, how hard they're running cover for him.

00:53:50.900 Do you think you feel the same? Yeah, it's actually not surprising being from here. I mean,

00:53:57.580 you know, a little bit of my, my backstory, Megan, but I was a member of corporate media for nearly

00:54:02.260 15 years, uh, in Minnesota. I'm from Minnesota. This is, uh, you know, where I was,

00:54:06.500 was born and, and grew up. Um, and I really couldn't believe, you know, I traveled the

00:54:10.600 country sort of working up the ladder in media and whatnot. Um, but how it seemed that the local

00:54:17.620 stations, Minnesota's largest newspaper as well, uh, would just continue to, to run cover, uh, for

00:54:23.440 the, these Democrats and especially, uh, governor walls. I mean, you have a cabinet member of his,

00:54:29.360 who is now the CEO of Minnesota's largest newspaper, the star tribune. And I, you know, it's sort of,

00:54:35.660 that's why I jumped out of corporate media, just tired of all of these, these lies and not holding

00:54:39.960 these, these people accountable and, and, you know, not informing the public about what's really

00:54:43.720 going on, whether it's, you know, policy, uh, crime, a lot of these things that are radically

00:54:48.540 changing are, are living here in, in Minnesota. And so that's why I jumped ship over to independent

00:54:53.740 media in, in alpha news and, you know, to talk about the, the riots and the Chauvin trial and whatnot,

00:54:59.040 but it's so many subjects. And finally, I think that the media has been under fire and rightfully so,

00:55:04.820 uh, in Minnesota, because all of these lies are finally, uh, catching up to this guy because

00:55:10.460 the press has, has kept them hidden here locally for so long. The star tribune is a villain. They

00:55:17.280 are a villainous actor who is not committed to reporting truth. That's very clear, but they're

00:55:21.580 not alone. Um, let's just start going through them because I don't even know where to begin.

00:55:25.220 There's so many, but let's start with the most recent, which is this IVF thing. Now our audience

00:55:29.780 may be familiar with the fact that in vitro fertilization is different from an IUI, um,

00:55:35.800 intrauterine insemination. And I've told the story before that I had IVF three times when I had my

00:55:42.320 three children. So I know this one very well. And I know people who have had IUI and I understand that

00:55:47.660 one relatively well. And with all due respect to people who have gone through IUI, it is fair to say

00:55:52.780 it is not as taxing risky or even ethically complicated as IVF is. And it's just, they're not

00:56:02.280 the same thing. And there's no point in saying they're the same thing. Um, and the only reason

00:56:06.760 to say they're the same thing appears to be in this case. Cause I don't think anybody in the history

00:56:10.600 of womankind has lied about getting one when they in fact got the other, um, to say you got IVF when

00:56:16.480 you really had IUI political purposes could, could drive a man to do that. And that is my guess on what's

00:56:22.040 happened here. Um, Tim Walsh and his wife did not get IVF. They got IUI, the intrauterine insemination

00:56:30.000 where the man's sperm is injected into the woman via a catheter yesterday. I called it a turkey

00:56:35.480 baster for short, but it's injected into the woman, um, you know, old fashioned style, like in the

00:56:40.340 doctor's office. And then, and they help her with the ovulation too. And then they hope and pray that

00:56:44.760 they get pregnant. It can be devastating if they don't. And so on all due respect to those women.

00:56:48.700 I'm not the one lying about your procedure. He is, um, exactly. IVF is very different where you

00:56:53.880 have to go through multiple shots. They, they get your eggs to sort of grow inside of you. Then

00:56:57.560 they have to extract the eggs, which is a painful process for many. And then they ultimately fertilize

00:57:03.400 the eggs outside of the womb. And then there's a second procedure where they reintroduce the fertilized

00:57:08.740 embryo back into your body. And if you have excess embryos, you and your husband are faced with a real

00:57:13.000 choice about what you do with those. Thank God we did not have, uh, extras, so we didn't have to deal

00:57:18.360 with it. But in any event, um, he is out there on record repeatedly saying that he and his wife,

00:57:26.080 Gwen got IVF, the more invasive, extensive, and ethically complicated one. Again, no judgment.

00:57:35.940 I've done it myself. Um, and here he is just to be clear, we've got a few sound bites. I want to put it

00:57:41.440 on the record. So people know there's no ambiguity. He said it, he said it over and over again. Um,

00:57:47.080 here is just a seven second one. That's explicit on pod save America, July 30th.

00:57:53.140 Yeah. First of all, it was up to him. I wouldn't have a family because of IVF and the things that

00:57:57.100 we need to do reproductive. My kids were born through that direct, you know, that way.

00:58:01.460 My kids were born through IVF that he's ripping on JD Vance. Cause he's peddling the lie. JD Vance

00:58:05.820 doesn't support IVF. That's not true. He does. And he doesn't want any bands here. He is again.

00:58:10.980 Um, this is July 25th on Jen Psaki show. Today's IVF day. Thank God from IVF. My wife and I have two

00:58:21.380 beautiful children. He thinks he needs to dictate that. And I've been saying this, the golden rule

00:58:25.720 that makes small towns work. So we're not at each other's throats all the time in a little town is

00:58:30.120 mind your own damn business. I don't need him to tell me about my family. I don't need to tell him

00:58:34.640 my wife's healthcare and her reproductive rights. I don't need him telling my children what books they can

00:58:39.480 read. He's fired to do that with whatever he wants, but I'm not interested in it.

00:58:44.580 Here's another one. Sop 52 in Phoenix, Arizona in August, August 9th.

00:58:48.960 This one's personal for me about IVF and reproductive care. When my wife and I, my wife of 30 years,

00:58:58.920 we wanted to have children. We went through years of fertility treatment. And I remember it was like

00:59:04.320 it was yesterday, just waiting for good news. And then the phone would ring and you would be

00:59:10.140 tensed up. And then you would hear that the treatments had failed. It was a, it would blot out

00:59:16.000 the sun that you just wanted something so beautiful and so simple to have a child. And then one day,

00:59:22.080 and it wasn't by chance when that news came and we welcomed our daughter into the world.

00:59:34.540 We named her Hope. We named her Hope.

00:59:38.040 Look at him. He lies and then he overacts. He for the listening audience, he's touching his heart.

00:59:51.720 Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. My IVF story. Here's the last bit. Uh, the Harris campaign on

00:59:56.760 August 6th tweeted out, sent out via paper statement, Governor Walz and Mrs. Walz have two

01:00:01.680 children, Hope and Gus. Governor Walz and Mrs. Walz struggled with years of fertility challenges

01:00:06.360 and had their daughter Hope through reproductive healthcare like IVF. Then his campaign office,

01:00:15.920 when he was still governor in April, mailed out a fundraising letter in an envelope that read

01:00:22.220 my wife and I used IVF to start a family. That's a quote. My wife and I used IVF to start a family.

01:00:32.360 And now we're getting new reporting, clearly trying to get ahead of somebody who was about to break

01:00:38.040 this in the New York times and CNN. The times report begins. Many have assumed that his family

01:00:45.140 relied on IVF. No, we did not. We did not assume we were directly informed by him and the Harris

01:00:50.180 campaign that he did. None of us made assumptions about his child procreation methods. And then they go

01:00:55.520 on to say, no, they are now clarifying from the campaign that they used IUI. So the, by the way,

01:01:06.820 the, the defense of all this, uh, from the Walz campaign, Liz is governor Walz talks how normal people

01:01:15.100 talk. He was using commonly understood shorthand for fertility treatments. Okay. You take it.

01:01:23.240 Yeah. Just a regular guy. This is how they keep trying to pass him off as, and it's amazing to

01:01:29.200 me even to watch your clips, Megan, about how he has so drastically changed, uh, just in the last

01:01:35.420 couple of weeks at these rallies and whatnot, these, this animated character, uh, he's all sort of jazzed

01:01:41.800 up coming out, bouncing around. I mean, this is a totally different person, uh, than, than I've covered

01:01:46.900 before. Um, it is wild to see, uh, that this transformation, uh, but that is exactly what

01:01:52.900 they do with him. Wait, wait, that's interesting because I want to get to the idea stuff, but like

01:01:56.720 the whole, like I'm, he's kicking everything around and he's super enthusiastic. That's not how he's

01:02:01.300 waving it. No, so, so different. Um, we've never seen this guy before. And that's, that's sort of the,

01:02:07.560 the, the fodder among, uh, local, local reporters and whatnot. Uh, you know, many are leading his,

01:02:13.700 his cheering section. They, you know, could not be more thrilled, uh, for him as the, the selection,

01:02:18.280 but for those of us who've actually uncovered a lot of this, uh, years ago saying, you know,

01:02:23.040 why is he lying about that? That's the thing, even with this IUI IVF, why would you lie about that?

01:02:29.560 Um, and, and those are the, the questions, you know, even the, the command sergeant major rank,

01:02:33.720 why are you lying about the rank you did not attain, uh, in the military? Um, even this DUI

01:02:39.760 story that, that we put out there years ago as well. Um, you know, lying about how he has,

01:02:46.020 has hearing loss or how fast he's going. And just so many of these lies that really make no sense.

01:02:53.560 Right. So the JD Vance picked up on exactly that he posted on X today came out that,

01:02:58.100 that Tim walls had lied about having a family via IVF who lies about something like that.

01:03:03.720 Honestly, it seems almost pathological. Like I understand he wanted to land a political hit

01:03:10.540 on JD Vance to perpetuate the lie that he wants to ban IVF. It isn't true. I mean, they're like,

01:03:16.460 he didn't make the vote that, that you would have preserved IVF. JD Vance's vote wouldn't have had

01:03:23.420 this. Actually, that's a different issue that what they're trying to say about JD Vance is that

01:03:26.840 he sponsor that he's against, um, IVF. And they're not pointing to the fact that he supported the Ted

01:03:32.120 Cruz Katie Britt bill to protect IVF. He didn't like the Democrats bill. He reported, he supported

01:03:36.800 the Republicans bill anyway. Um, so there's the IVF thing. I do want to go through them.

01:03:41.980 We've got IUI and DUI. The DUI thing happened in what year and what happened?

01:03:49.400 Yeah, this was back in the early nineties when he was still in Nebraska. Um, and he was,

01:03:55.900 he was going, uh, nearly a hundred miles an hour, about 40, 40 or 50 miles over the speed limit at the

01:04:01.820 time and, uh, wasn't, was intoxicated. Uh, but then later when this pops up in a congressional,

01:04:08.440 uh, when he's, when he's running for Congress, uh, his campaign manager basically says, uh, you know,

01:04:15.520 that he was not intoxicated. Um, and he was being followed and he thought that was strange and that's

01:04:21.120 why he was going fast and blamed it on, uh, some, some hearing loss. I mean, the whole thing made

01:04:25.640 absolutely no sense. And then we went back and we got the, the transcripts of the actual arrest itself.

01:04:31.000 And I know ever since too, that the state trooper has, um, spoken out who actually arrested him

01:04:36.680 back then. And there was no dispute that he was intoxicated. Uh, in fact, it's kind of what ran him

01:04:42.000 out of Nebraska. He was so ashamed of this, of this DUI and whatnot. He offered to resign his teaching

01:04:48.560 position, uh, at the time. And I think he did resign, uh, he was coaching a football, um, at that time as

01:04:54.660 well, and then stopped doing that in the wake of this, this DUI. Um, but, but again, it just goes back to

01:05:00.680 this, there was kind of a, you know, a, a, a mantra when he was running the second time around,

01:05:05.220 especially, uh, for governor Tim wall's lies. I mean, there was a reason that, uh, that,

01:05:10.460 that became a thing a few years ago. And now finally, he's facing the pressure of the,

01:05:16.300 the national press, which is on a whole different level, that scrutiny he deserved for a very long

01:05:21.100 time. And you see how these statements are coming out or, you know, just just trying to pass it off,

01:05:25.580 um, as it really, there's nothing to see here, but there is, there, there is a pattern, uh, here.

01:05:31.440 And I, I've recently talked to Tom Barons again, who I know you've spoken to as well. Um, he's the

01:05:37.040 command sergeant major who, who took, yeah, who took wall's place. And that's what he says. He

01:05:41.800 says, is this narcissism? There seems to be something else going on with this guy, uh, that

01:05:45.820 he wasn't even aware of. He just came forward and he remember, remember Megan, he actually went to

01:05:50.560 Tim walls first to say, Hey, just stop using this rank. He wrote a letter. He went about it the

01:05:54.200 right way. Uh, but for years, you know, he was, uh, ignored and this unit was ignored,

01:05:58.900 which is why they've kind of, you know, done this full court press now at this point to say,

01:06:03.220 you know, this guy's lying about that too. All right. So sticking with the DUI for a second.

01:06:08.680 Yes. He tried to excuse his driving 96, right. In, in, uh, what was the speed limit? I think it was 55.

01:06:17.600 Yeah. In a 55, uh, by saying, okay, you know, by the way, and accused of being drunk,

01:06:22.640 he tried to say, Oh, the reason I didn't, I didn't pass the sobriety test was I had hearing

01:06:27.460 difficulties that made it hard for me to understand what the officer was saying.

01:06:32.440 And then it later came out that this field sobriety testing, quoting here from the daily

01:06:36.680 beast took place in the quiet of the officer's radio car on a deserted stretch of highway 385

01:06:42.440 miles, um, from Alliance and, and, uh, in Nebraska. Okay. In the middle of nowhere. And then,

01:06:48.020 and then, uh, he says that, yeah, the officer who they tracked down said, uh, saw drunk arrested,

01:06:57.620 same. He just gave that statement recently saw drunk arrested, same. So this cop is like,

01:07:02.480 I'm not getting involved in this, but the guy was drunk. That's that. This is yet another

01:07:06.840 falsehood. Um, can, can we just spend one minute on the coach thing? Because you mentioned he was a

01:07:13.760 football coach in Nebraska and she's talking about him on, you know, on the campaign trail,

01:07:17.980 like he's coach T from Friday night lights, you know, head coach down in big South. He was like,

01:07:22.060 bring it. What's the truth about that? Well, he was an assistant coach, um, at Mankato West high

01:07:28.680 school, uh, for a few years, but it is wild to me that I don't think a lot of assistant coaches would

01:07:34.920 then use the title as coach. I mean, you see people holding those signs right in the crowds.

01:07:40.600 That is also wild to me. Uh, why, what, they say that they call him coach, coach walls. I've been

01:07:48.760 in touch with a lot of, uh, former students, uh, just these, these last couple of weeks. And they

01:07:52.680 say that, you know, they, they didn't call him that. Maybe there are a couple here and there,

01:07:56.660 but that, that is also crazy to me. I mean, my husband is a assistant coach for sixth grade

01:08:01.800 football. He's doesn't demand that he be, uh, called a, called a coach. It's, it's just crazy.

01:08:07.000 Exactly. It's just like Jill Biden. She's also not a doctor, but insists that she'd be called

01:08:12.180 it. What is it with these Democrats? All right. And I'm like, how much money did they spend on,

01:08:16.080 on these, uh, signs that they, they are now handing out to, to people to praise him as a

01:08:21.740 coach. It's wild. Soon we're going to have IVF signs. Um, and also not DUI signs. Um,

01:08:28.020 let's talk about the military. Cause there's a, there's a, there's a development in that today.

01:08:32.500 Our audience by this point is familiar that he's been lying about his military record,

01:08:36.520 elevating himself saying he's retired command Sergeant major. When he's not, he didn't earn

01:08:40.520 the rank bailing on his unit right before they deployed to Iraq. When he knew they were going

01:08:44.600 to deploy and he retired anyway, saying he used weapons like the ones that issue in war.

01:08:50.720 When he fought for it, he never went to war. He went to Italy saying he served in operation

01:08:54.820 enduring freedom, which he didn't. That's the Afghanistan war again, only Italy and over and

01:09:00.120 over and over with all these things. They're like the evidence mounts of the number of times he did

01:09:03.500 it every day. Um, today we have a letter from 50, uh, military officers. It looks like all retired

01:09:13.820 military officers, um, and others and senators and so on, um, to governor walls. And I'll read it in part.

01:09:23.200 The office of the vice president is a position that requires the trust of the American people and a

01:09:27.360 solemn commitment to duty on behalf of the U S as veterans who have served our nation.

01:09:31.100 We feel compelled to address your egregious misrepresentations and urge you to come clean

01:09:35.360 to the American people. You've stated you're damn proud of your service. And like any American

01:09:39.320 veteran you should be, but there's no honor in lying about the nature of your service,

01:09:43.320 repeatedly claiming to be a retired, retired command Sergeant major. When you did not complete

01:09:48.240 the requirements was not honorable, nor was it honorable to claim to carry weapons quote in war

01:09:54.060 when you had not served in war and abandoning the men and women under your leadership, just as they

01:09:58.720 were getting ready to deploy was certainly not honorable either to be blunt. When you falsely

01:10:04.160 claim military service that did not happen and abandon your post, you diminish the real sacrifices

01:10:09.000 made by veterans who did serve in combat. Military service is not merely a job or uniform. Those who serve

01:10:15.380 in the armed forces, endure rigorous training, face perilous situations and make sacrifices that most

01:10:19.240 civilians can't comprehend. The honor of wearing the uniform is earned through dedication, bravery,

01:10:25.340 and an unwavering sense of duty. You have displayed none of these characteristics as you've lied your

01:10:30.620 way through a political career launched on the foundation of a title you did not earn and combat

01:10:35.840 deployments you did not take part in. In short, our grave concern stems from the fact that the office of

01:10:42.280 the vice president is one heartbeat away from becoming the commander in chief. You've already demonstrated

01:10:47.440 your unwillingness to lead in a time of war and a lack of honor through your blatant misrepresentations,

01:10:54.100 exploiting and co-opting the experiences of America's combat veterans for personal gain.

01:11:01.860 That's remarkable. That is a tough, tough letter, Liz. And it's been put out, the copy I have is put

01:11:11.160 out by the Trump fans campaign. Obviously these are supporters of Trump and Vance, but it is not

01:11:17.420 just partisans who are making these accusations or feel betrayed by Tim Walz.

01:11:24.680 Yeah. And that's a, that's an important point that I want to make also. This isn't just me coming,

01:11:30.000 coming on and, and talking about, um, you know, uh, what, what he's been doing in, in Minnesota.

01:11:35.160 I've tried. I mean, I've, I've been a reporter for 20 years. I know how this works. I can't even tell

01:11:40.460 you, Megan, how many interviews I've requested, uh, with governor walls over the years. And he has

01:11:46.200 denied those requests. I'd love for him, uh, to talk about, uh, the riots. I'd love for him to talk

01:11:51.260 about his military service. Uh, but, but again and again, uh, you know, his, his office will, you know,

01:11:57.580 decline or will just not respond, uh, at all. So to me, that speaks volumes. And here we have sort of

01:12:04.480 this standoff happening with, with so much of this information, uh, because he really has yet to sit

01:12:10.100 down, I think for a real interview, um, over any of this. And, and there's a reason for that. There's

01:12:15.000 also this, you know, lies by omission, uh, which is really, uh, really a thing here too. I will say

01:12:20.640 that, you know, being, uh, being a member of the press in Minnesota, it's interesting. I've been a part

01:12:24.900 of press conferences, uh, with him in the past. And, uh, one, one story comes to mind. Somebody asked a

01:12:31.720 question, you know, it was a good question that he should, should have answered. And, uh, that person

01:12:36.460 was, was quickly put in check by his, uh, people to say, you know, that's a right wing talking point.

01:12:40.840 You can't ask that here. What? Um, but that's kind of the understanding that you have, um, with,

01:12:46.880 with his office, which is just crazy. And that's why he really hasn't done much media to be honest in,

01:12:52.260 in Minnesota in, in quite some time. I mean, sure. He's feeding stories to the, you know,

01:12:56.960 Minnesota's largest newspaper in the, the star tribune, even, even them, I should point out,

01:13:01.140 they went back, uh, to previous stories about this IVF and they've changed the headlines about

01:13:06.220 how they're, they're covering that. And that's just happened in the last 24 hours. So you see

01:13:09.720 that, you see that manipulation happening. It's wild. That is so dishonest. That is. And there's

01:13:15.440 no, there's no editor's note or a change or anything along those lines. Oh my God. That I'm,

01:13:22.200 it's just new lows are achieved daily by the corporate press in covering these Democrats and

01:13:28.780 Trump for that matter. They're just dishonest on both fronts, um, on the military story,

01:13:34.200 couple of new developments. Um, now we know that he issued a congressional coin. It's called a

01:13:41.160 challenge coin that refers to himself as a retired command Sergeant major, which he's not. You can see

01:13:51.020 there, uh, is the top left symbol, uh, when checked against military rank insignia on defense.gov

01:13:57.080 represents a command Sergeant major. That's what he's holding himself out to be. And this is not

01:14:04.000 unusual for, for members of Congress who served in the military to have one of these and to, and to,

01:14:08.280 you know, give them, it's considered to be a great honor. Um, they're used across all branches of the

01:14:14.780 military. Usually they're truthful and usually our servicemen and women don't falsely inflate,

01:14:21.880 inflate their rank. But I mean, Liz, he did it everywhere. He, I can't find an instance of him

01:14:29.860 saying the truth. I think it'll be pretty telling tonight, Megan, how this speech is going to go,

01:14:37.080 uh, at the DNC in a way, it kind of seems there are a few elephants in the room to perhaps, uh,

01:14:42.360 address, but I, I, I guess if we're going to look at his, his past, uh, track record, it will be,

01:14:47.120 uh, deflection and he'll, he'll really come off as, you know, this, uh, you know, this, this great

01:14:52.920 Midwesterner, um, you know, how he sells, sells himself. But yeah, the challenge coin was just,

01:14:59.440 just one thing. And you've seen all the video clips of him referring to this. He's a retired

01:15:03.140 master Sergeant. There's nothing to be ashamed of when it, when it comes to that people certainly

01:15:07.320 appreciate, uh, service, but you know, to, to feather your cap in the way that he has and use

01:15:12.940 this rank clearly, it seems for political gain, uh, doesn't make much sense. Let me tell you how

01:15:19.680 dishonest this is. Uh, this is just a small example, personal example. When I went from Fox to NBC,

01:15:25.200 NBC put it, put out like a bio, like Megan Kelly is joining us and here's who she is. And one of the

01:15:30.160 items in the bio said among the people that I had interviewed, um, were Donald Trump, Barack Obama,

01:15:35.960 uh, et cetera. He's left wing zealots. So attentive to detail called NBC by the dozen saying,

01:15:44.420 when did she interview president Barack Obama? And NBC came to me and asked that question. I said,

01:15:49.520 I never interviewed him as president. I interviewed him when he was Senator and running for president

01:15:52.700 and NBC was like, Oh, we have to add then Senator. I'm like, okay, do what you want. I didn't misrepresent.

01:15:58.180 I didn't, I never said, right. So anyway, um, fine. Okay. This same press has zero,

01:16:05.960 no interest in the fact that the possible next vice president of the United States has misrepresented

01:16:13.740 his rank in a command post over a unit that was deploying to Iraq over and over. And notwithstanding

01:16:23.200 the objections of the men in that unit who have been begging him to stop Liz, let me tell you about

01:16:30.640 a headline, the star tribune ran actually, when we've exposed this, this story a couple of years

01:16:35.600 ago, when Tom Barons first came forward in that, an interview on his farm, um, the, the, the headline

01:16:41.860 was, uh, Republican, uh, candidate for governor who never served questions, uh, Tim wall service or

01:16:49.960 something along those lines. Uh, so just think about how that, you know, that headline is, is even framed,

01:16:55.200 uh, to try to control this narrative. Um, yeah, we saw a press conference. It was, uh, Dr. Scott

01:17:00.920 Jensen who was running for governor at the time, and he brought, uh, Tom Barons forward to tell his

01:17:05.600 story and it received very little. I mean, it was maybe a 30 or 40 second, uh, feature. Um, but,

01:17:11.860 but meanwhile, you know, we see this treasure trove essentially of all of, um, all of these instances.

01:17:17.940 And, and Tom talked about that. You know, this was in, uh, literature when he was, uh, running,

01:17:22.480 running for Congress. Uh, these were interviews that, that he was saying this and they just simply

01:17:26.700 said, Hey dude, you know, could, could you stop? Uh, this could have been, you know, corrected very

01:17:31.800 early on, but it does seem very odd that he decided to, to stick with this thinking this would not

01:17:36.800 catch up to him. So that's why I also wonder, you know, I, I obviously they had to vet him in some

01:17:40.980 way, but I can see if you go to Google and you type him in, it's going to be hard to find, uh, some of

01:17:46.260 this stuff because alternative media, as you know, is going to be, uh, you know, at the, at the very

01:17:51.100 bottom, if it's even going to come up at all. But these stories were all out there in some way,

01:17:56.020 shape or, or her team, her team probably relied on the star tribune, which is their paper of choice,

01:18:00.660 undoubtedly. Right. And they got burned. Um, here's JD Vance responding on the challenge coin nonsense.

01:18:07.540 Tim walls said that he carried a weapon in war. He never went to war. Tim walls said that he didn't

01:18:15.580 know his unit was about to deploy to Iraq when even his own press release at the time said that

01:18:21.760 he knew exactly that Tim walls claimed to be a command Sergeant major, even had it printed on

01:18:27.980 his challenge coins. And he knew he never achieved that rank. It's really, I mean, it's going to become

01:18:35.440 an issue and for sure, we're going to be hearing about it at the vice presidential debate, Liz, which

01:18:40.120 as far as you're telling me may be the very first time Tim walls is actually confronted face to face

01:18:45.780 by somebody about all this. Well, I think you heard there was a reporter that, that asked just on the

01:18:51.500 tarmac, I think it was last week, just kind of shouted, you know, what about stolen bell or what

01:18:55.800 about that? And he quickly, quickly walked out, but I don't think he's been confronted at all.

01:19:00.820 Nobody at the sheets gas station stopped when they were shopping for Doritos, uh, fired, fired him

01:19:06.120 the question. Uh, so I, I, I don't know. I mean, he's going to have to, he's going to have to,

01:19:10.500 to answer this, uh, soon you would think. All right. Now there's more because there's COVID

01:19:16.200 there's the lockdowns. Have you guys seen, uh, um, the paintball, like Tim walls had cops fire

01:19:23.300 paintball guns at his citizens, his own citizens post George Floyd so that they would obey the curfews.

01:19:30.260 It's actually kind of nuts. I'm going to play you the video. We'll talk about it with Liz. What's true.

01:19:33.880 What's not. And then we'll get into all of the gender, all the gender stuff, the crazy lunatic

01:19:40.860 gender stuff he's been doing, which the star tribune and others say, isn't true. Liz stays

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01:20:45.240 Liz, we pulled the star Tribune headline that you referenced and man, it, this is so disturbing.

01:20:56.900 So here is the headline from the star Tribune, uh, from March 13th, governor walls shares his family's

01:21:06.340 IVF journey as Democrats look to guarantee access to treatments by Brianna.

01:21:12.160 Bierce botch. Okay. That's March shares his family's IVF journey as Democrats look to guarantee

01:21:18.260 access to treatments. And now same reporter, governor walls shares his family's fertility

01:21:25.260 journey as Democrats look to guarantee access to treatments. Same reporter updated her earlier

01:21:31.380 report to change the headline. You are correct. No editorial note, which is the standard when you

01:21:38.960 change editorial from what it once was to update it to something that's new and more and correct.

01:21:44.660 That is a journalistic dereliction. How dare they?

01:21:49.700 I have a long history with the, the, the, the star Tribune and their lives. Uh, no, no doubt about it.

01:21:55.180 And thankfully again, the fact that, uh, you know, walls has been put in this position. Um, it's really

01:22:01.060 been shining a very bright light, um, on that, you know, you, you know, as a, as a journalist,

01:22:06.220 you want to get to, to the truth. This is what, you know, you're supposed, you sign up for sharing

01:22:10.680 people's stories, but also, uh, to inform the public and, and tell them the truth. And I cannot

01:22:15.140 tell you, um, you know, how many lies that that paper has, has helped to, to push. And it's a whole

01:22:21.400 new level. Um, even since, uh, you know, the, the, the former commissioner, um, of the department

01:22:27.540 of economic development went over there walls, a good friend, uh, to, to run the place.

01:22:33.680 The, um, the stuff around COVID that's another thing. Um, he did favor lockdowns. He tried to

01:22:42.680 dismiss it as, Oh, the kids were never locked down. Um, really more than like a few days,

01:22:49.080 10 days or something. That's an absolute lie. You lived it firsthand. He had Minnesota lockdown

01:22:55.480 for all of the spring of 2020 and for most of 2021, as far as I can see, Liz.

01:23:01.940 Yeah, it basically went on for, for a couple of years. This is what's interesting to this, uh,

01:23:06.060 whole mind your own damn business. All of a sudden this has become his, his tagline, but yet he

01:23:10.600 is the one that, that spearheads and sets up this snitch line where you can snitch on your neighbors,

01:23:15.900 uh, during, during COVID. And, uh, you know, I, I did a story, uh, Lisa Zarza is her name. She's a

01:23:22.400 business owner, um, who had two, uh, restaurants in Minnesota during this time. And she got so sick

01:23:28.180 of these rolling lockdowns. She decided to open her doors and, uh, open for 14 days defied this

01:23:33.740 order. And they came after her. The state came after her hard. They denied her, uh, liquor license,

01:23:38.900 uh, for five years moving forward. And she's now relocated. She's now over in Wisconsin, uh, just,

01:23:44.640 just start over, but they financially ruined her, um, as a result of, of standing up to, to this order.

01:23:49.860 There was also, um, you know, different, different things in, in Minnesota that, uh, hospitals would,

01:23:54.940 would move COVID patients into, to nursing homes. We had the highest, uh, rate of deaths,

01:23:59.940 I believe in the country when it comes to nursing home deaths related, uh, to, to COVID. So there

01:24:05.140 were many, uh, questions as to, to what he was doing, uh, along the way, you know, again,

01:24:09.380 the same person that we need to mind our own damn business, but yet we can't celebrate the holidays,

01:24:13.780 uh, which was the case, uh, under his orders, uh, you know, over Thanksgiving and Christmas and whatnot.

01:24:19.860 Now there's video being circulated of a joke. Joe Pags actually brought this to my attention

01:24:25.740 of the aftermath of the George Floyd protest. When walls issued a curfew, you were supposed to be

01:24:31.300 inside between 8 PM and 6 AM. And this guy is such a tyrant when it comes to his executive authority.

01:24:39.140 There is video of police officers in the streets on May 30th, 2020. And it's both national guard and

01:24:48.220 Minneapolis police. Although we believe that this is the Minneapolis police actually shooting paint

01:24:55.740 balls at residents who are just on their porches. USA today reported on it back in 2020 for just being

01:25:03.500 on their porches. Like that was considered a breaking of the curfew. Here's video.

01:25:07.660 That is crazy. I don't know who issued the

01:25:37.640 order to fire paint balls at residents, but it was his order in imposing that mandate, Liz. And

01:25:44.920 I can certainly imagine an active governor, like a, like a Glenn Youngkin firing every officer

01:25:51.340 involved. If they actually shot paint balls at residents sitting on their porches, that's exactly

01:25:55.860 how mistakes happen. And someone returns fire and a cop gets shot. And so does the civilian.

01:26:00.660 Well, I think there's important context here. Remember, this is May 25th, 2020 when George Floyd

01:26:08.680 dies. And this is five days later. This is Governor Walz, who is the first to take to the microphone,

01:26:14.280 call this a murder, help to fan the flames, make this all about race and whatnot. This is Governor

01:26:20.580 Walz, who doesn't do anything, who withholds the National Guard and also, you know, doesn't allow the

01:26:27.740 officers to wear their riot gear and whatnot. So then finally, when people are sick of, you know,

01:26:33.260 businesses being burned down five days later, decides to really, you know, go after this. It's

01:26:39.620 just crazy, the timeline and what was allowed to happen and all of the lies along the way that he

01:26:44.560 was definitely the one that helped to push. And, you know, this could have been the time to take to

01:26:49.780 the microphone and stay calm. Hey, we're going to review the body camera footage. Why is the body

01:26:54.160 camera footage actually hidden from the public? Probably, perhaps, because it didn't match up with

01:26:59.060 what they were trying to sell from that very next day, that this wasn't a part of training. This was a

01:27:03.980 murder. This had everything to do with race. You know, God, you know, God forbid we actually tell the

01:27:08.920 truth that this was a mixed race group of officers and a black officer who arrested George Floyd. So I

01:27:14.120 could go on and on about about all of this. So in so many ways, I think that the cops, you know, wanted to

01:27:21.720 obviously do more right away. And then, you know, now they're kind of served up to the mob. Once again,

01:27:27.020 when they when they were able to actually, you know, put a curfew in place and whatnot, as they were trying

01:27:32.260 to do really from the very beginning to get these riots under control. Unbelievable. So like he permits

01:27:37.780 them, you can go ahead and shoot people on their porch with paintballs, but you cannot go out and bother

01:27:42.480 the rioters because that could be mad. You could upset the rioters. I mean, that that really is his attitude.

01:27:46.740 Yeah. And he was actually saying, you know, it's OK to go out and peacefully protest during all of

01:27:52.940 this. And this is the very first time in a couple of months that he's obviously said that, you know,

01:27:57.500 obey these these covid orders, but yet go gather in large groups to protest. So it made no sense,

01:28:02.600 the messaging that was coming out of his office. We've heard that from so many politicians. I

01:28:07.600 remember living that it was just infuriating. Or let's talk about the radical gender ideology.

01:28:12.480 I mean, because this guy, this is why I said when this broke, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing because

01:28:17.180 he's super fun and he kicks his leg and he cheers and he touches his heart like, oh, I feel you. Oh, this

01:28:24.440 is wonderful. And meantime, as far as I can tell, Tim Walz can't get enough of allowing minors to chop

01:28:31.300 off body parts and go on the dangerous medical course that sterilizes them. Even where their parents

01:28:38.360 object, he will interfere so they can do it in Minnesota.

01:28:44.720 Yeah, this is by far the most radical governor we've ever had in Minnesota. This trans refuge law,

01:28:52.220 as you're talking about, allows children who without parental permission to seek, you know,

01:28:58.920 this so-called gender affirming care in this state. And that's something that passed in St.

01:29:04.840 Paul, within the state legislative session this year that I think many people didn't

01:29:11.800 really even know about. I mean, we were covering it daily over here at Alpha News. But for the most

01:29:17.200 part, you know, if the Star Tribune was reporting it, you were lied to about that as well. And I know

01:29:22.380 you've talked about, you know, the tampons in boys' bathrooms, which has become such a, you know,

01:29:29.200 a hot topic now, which is completely reality. These legislators rejecting Republican amendments

01:29:36.160 to limit these menstrual products just to female bathrooms. And you hear again and again in the

01:29:43.120 testimony from the lead author of this bill, who says no, you know, basically these need to go in

01:29:51.140 boys' bathrooms as well. I know you've played the clips on your show too. These are their own

01:29:55.620 words. There's kind of this debate now between, you know, spirit of the law, letter of the law.

01:30:01.460 But if you take a look at the actual hearing itself, and we were, you know, putting these

01:30:06.380 clips out on X and putting them out on social media so people can just hear these conversations

01:30:09.940 for yourself. Because even, you know, five years ago, could you even imagine that this would be

01:30:13.320 discussed in your state capitol? But I can't tell you how very little attention that received at

01:30:19.460 the time. And now you have the local media twisting themselves up into pretzels once again to try to

01:30:24.720 sell this, that this didn't happen. Yes, it did. But it's actually in the bill.

01:30:29.280 It is 100% in the bill. And I like I defy anybody there. All these people trying to fact check me are

01:30:34.920 not lawyers. Read the letter of the statute. It is there black and white on what they are allowed to

01:30:40.780 do, what they must do. And there is a mandate that you provide these products in all bathrooms used

01:30:47.520 by menstruating students. And if you have a, quote, trans boy, which means girl pretending to

01:30:55.060 be a boy, and this girl uses the boy's bathroom and you don't have a gender neutral bathroom,

01:31:01.680 guess what? The tampons must, under the letter of the law, be placed in there. That's the letter.

01:31:07.460 And as you point out, this is what the sponsor of the law said. This very thing came up. Here's

01:31:12.040 SOT 57, for those of you who haven't heard it. So the products must be available to all

01:31:17.100 menstruating students. I think there was some discussion earlier about boys' bathrooms. Would

01:31:22.980 that allow a school district, at least now, especially in the elementary age, to not have

01:31:27.180 to put these products into the boys' bathroom? The school requires that schools provide free

01:31:35.120 period products in all student bathrooms, grades four through 12. Trans boys menstruate.

01:31:42.040 And they use boys' bathrooms and would need these products. In order to ensure that all

01:31:48.500 menstruating students have full access to period products, it is important that we include them

01:31:54.000 in all bathrooms where trans students who menstruate may need to access them.

01:31:59.800 That's it. I mean, it's just done. And now what's happening is you've got like CNN saying,

01:32:03.940 well, of the 300 Minnesota districts, we talked to 15 who are only putting them in girls' rooms and

01:32:11.180 gender-neutral bathrooms. And they notoriously skirt the issue of, first of all, what about the 285

01:32:20.040 other jurisdictions? And what about the jurisdictions that do not have a gender-neutral bathroom?

01:32:27.140 What are they doing? And what about the jurisdictions that don't have a gender-neutral bathroom and

01:32:31.740 have a so-called trans boy? Because you heard Sandra Feist, the representative who sponsored

01:32:37.500 the whole bill, say that girl, pretending to be a boy, needs her period products in the boy's room.

01:32:47.080 Yeah, it is so crazy to me, even hearing that clip, which I've probably listened to it a hundred

01:32:51.340 times at this point. I just can't even believe that this is real life. These are the conversations

01:32:55.400 that we're having. And people think that this is the right road to go down is really wild to me.

01:33:02.700 And I will say, over at Alpha News, we've covered so many people. I did a whole segment about people

01:33:08.640 who've left Minnesota and their reasons for it. And Tim Walz is always up there within their top

01:33:14.420 reasons. Now, remember, he didn't even actually carry his congressional district when elected

01:33:20.180 as governor this second time around. You know, rural Minnesota has really turned on him for these

01:33:27.340 lies and pushing these progressive policies. It's interesting, I've kind of been helping some

01:33:31.820 national news crews to find people to talk to. And there was a reporter who went down to southern

01:33:37.580 Minnesota who said she talked probably a hundred people at an event and she could not find one person

01:33:42.300 to say anything nice about this guy. And you also actually even have the press going to his home

01:33:47.580 state of Nebraska that I've been reading comments from as well. And they're struggling to find

01:33:53.320 anybody. They all say, you know, great, he's from here, but I'm not going to be voting for this guy.

01:33:57.740 And there's still so many more skeletons, I think, in his closet. I know you've talked about his ties

01:34:02.180 to China and there's so much more there. It's interesting. I'm not sure if the guy actually even

01:34:07.200 knows who he is himself, as we've seen him kind of take on this chameleon-like caricature, even at

01:34:13.980 these rallies, these last couple of weeks. Again, not something you ever saw in Minnesota.

01:34:19.500 The ties to China run deep, really deep. Like he's been there, what, 30 times? He was taking

01:34:26.820 students over there once a year on a trip that was sponsored in part by the Chinese Communist Party.

01:34:32.940 He got married on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square because he always wanted to remember the

01:34:39.340 date of his wedding. There's a lot there, Liz. Yeah, I actually just published a story this past

01:34:46.200 weekend. I encourage people to read it. But this is an interview with a student who spent time with

01:34:52.760 Tim Walls in China on one of those trips for nearly two and a half months. But he talks about how he

01:34:57.660 collected the little red books, the Mao books, and would talk openly about that, saying that he would

01:35:03.480 give them as souvenirs. And he saw him buy more than a dozen in his time there and was really struck.

01:35:10.640 He says he's a Maoist at his core. That's how he described Tim Walls. Basically, kind of fawning

01:35:17.820 over communism, even at their time there. They're about 10 years apart. So this was a 27-year-old at

01:35:23.640 the time when he was taking the trip with Tim Walls. It was really interesting to hear this person.

01:35:29.020 And he said that he's been trying to get even this story out there when he saw him running for

01:35:33.540 Congress and governor. But nobody was interested. He said he's told these stories about his interactions

01:35:39.140 with Tim Walls on that trip so many times. But now all of a sudden, you know, people are interested in

01:35:44.180 hearing about that. And the similarities between the little red book and some of the things we're

01:35:49.060 hearing on the campaign. This Mao brings joy. Kamala brings joy. It's direct comparison to things that

01:35:56.740 are actually in there. And you can see it see it for yourself. He on the China front, according to

01:36:03.760 the Free Beacon, they did great reporting, too. And they reported that as a high school teacher in the

01:36:07.500 1990s, he appeared to extol life under the Chinese communist regime, telling his students that it's a

01:36:14.640 system in which everyone shares. They share, Liz. They get free food and housing. And this is during a

01:36:23.960 lesson. This is reported in a magazine at the time. The doctor and the construction worker, they make

01:36:28.740 the same and get food and housing. Reported in the 1991 article in Nebraska's Alliance Times-Herald,

01:36:35.940 he's always been fascinated by communist China, according to the profile about him. And he wrote

01:36:43.920 about feeling like a king. He was treated like a king in China. He got a salary that was double the pay of

01:36:50.320 the Chinese teachers. He was given a decorated apartment with a color TV. He had the only air

01:36:54.380 conditioned residents on campus. I'll never be treated that well again, he said. They gave me

01:36:59.100 more gifts than I could bring home. I mean, there are now congressional questions being asked. James

01:37:04.980 Comer, obviously, this guy is a Republican who does not want to see Tim Walls elected, but he's actually

01:37:11.540 filing an inquiry, an official inquiry to dig to the bottom of just how close are these ties?

01:37:17.040 What was the nature of these gifts? Why have you gone there so many times and seem to be so enamored

01:37:23.940 with the Chinese system, which you're on camera saying just recently that socialism is another

01:37:28.980 person's neighborliness? So just what do we need to know about what, if anything, he's been doing for

01:37:36.260 China? Yeah, and I think there's some questions to be answered. He was in the Guard at the time,

01:37:42.200 you know, a military member. So that's interesting timing as well. But this student says, you know,

01:37:48.500 what's different here is this guy really believes this in his heart. And he knew that and he kind

01:37:56.020 of kept in touch with him actually even after this trip and really was very troubled by all of this.

01:38:02.700 And it sort of took on this whole new life knowing that he, you know, would be running for office and

01:38:07.880 thought he needed to talk more about this and sound the alarm. But he says, you know,

01:38:12.780 he called him the Manchurian candidate, unlike we've ever seen before, that he really does believe

01:38:18.920 this in his heart. And if you look at the comments, and to me, this almost kind of made a little bit

01:38:22.420 more sense now with the riots and things that happened under his watch that, oh, perhaps this is

01:38:29.120 really his belief system. We're just now hearing about these connections.

01:38:36.100 It's really incredible. And it does make you wonder whether they vetted the guy, but let's face it,

01:38:42.760 they really didn't even vet her. So he's probably the least of their problems. Who knows what's going

01:38:47.620 to come out on Kamala Harris. Mark Halpern was on the show recently saying that's one of the big

01:38:51.820 concerns among some top Democrats is, you know, how well do we know her history? She was raised by

01:38:56.920 Marxists. It's no accident in my mind that she chose him. I think she's telling us who she is.

01:39:02.740 Liz, thank you. You're great. Love Alpha News. Everyone should follow them on Twitter, too. It's

01:39:06.960 a great follow. Thank you, Megan. I really appreciate you having me. All the best. Tomorrow,

01:39:11.600 we will have full reaction to Bill Clinton and Tim Wall speaking tonight,

01:39:15.000 and we will have my friend Tucker Carlson here to do that. See you then.

01:39:19.320 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Obamas' Hypocritical Speeches, and Walz's Lies Continue, with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Tim Hogan, and Liz Collin ｜ Ep. 866

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