The Megyn Kelly Show - The Rise of Threats Against the Supreme Court Justices and Leaker Latest with Sen. Ted Cruz, Rich Lowry & Michael Knowles

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00:00:14.720 Today there are new concerns for the safety of America's Supreme Court justices as left-wing activists publish a map

00:00:22.740 pinpointing the supposed home addresses of Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices

00:00:30.120 Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.

00:00:36.860 The activists are calling for protests at the homes of these, quote, extremist justices,

00:00:43.760 saying it's time to, quote, rise up to force accountability using a diversity of tactics.

00:00:50.420 What does that mean? This comes as Justice Alito has now had to reportedly cancel an appearance

00:00:55.800 at a judicial conference that he was supposed to be attending with the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals

00:00:59.800 judges and I believe the federal court judges below the Fifth Circuit.

00:01:05.080 Meantime, Democrats are now renewing calls to pack the court, an emergency measure they're calling it.

00:01:11.300 They didn't have the votes for this before and they don't have it now for a national codification

00:01:16.880 of Roe versus Wade. We'll get into whether that's possible. It doesn't look good. It looks

00:01:21.580 even worse today than it did yesterday. And California is making plans to become an abortion

00:01:25.860 sanctuary. But Governor Gavin Newsom had a major slip up when announcing his plan. We'll tell you

00:01:32.560 what he said. We've got a great, great lineup for you today. Texas Senator Ted Cruz will be here in

00:01:37.540 just a bit. He once clerked for Chief Justice Rehnquist and will tell us what Chief Justice Rehnquist used

00:01:43.040 to tell the law clerks. In addition to weighing in on a bunch of stories today, Michael Knowles,

00:01:47.720 our pal from The Daily Wire, will be joining us on what he sees as the most surprising part

00:01:51.480 of this entire story. But we begin today with Rich Lowry, Editor-in-Chief of National Review.

00:02:02.760 Rich, welcome back to the show.

00:02:04.420 Glad to be here. How's it going?

00:02:06.200 Good. It's going great. Let's start with this crazy...

00:02:08.700 Good for news podcasters.

00:02:11.540 I know. Well, of course, I love the editor, so I've been listening to you guys all week, too.

00:02:16.860 Can you believe that they're going to go to the homes of the Supreme Court justices?

00:02:21.220 Can I tell you, this makes me especially angry. I had my team pull it because I remember this from

00:02:25.320 her confirmation hearings. Amy Coney Barrett has seven children. Her youngest son, who I believe

00:02:31.660 is 10, has Down syndrome. How dare these people go to that person's home and try to scare the

00:02:38.100 children, which is what's going to happen. Amy Coney Barrett will not be scared, but her young

00:02:42.660 children actually might be, as they come outside of the house with their megaphones and start chanting

00:02:48.580 terrible things about this child's mother, not to mention Kavanaugh, who's got two children. I think

00:02:54.460 they're 13, one's 13, one's 16, and so on. So this is disgusting. It's beyond the pale. And to do it to

00:03:02.140 Supreme Court justices, by the way, it wouldn't be the first time they did it to Brett Kavanaugh,

00:03:05.620 is just, it's deplorable to steal a term.

00:03:10.040 Yeah. Unfortunately, it falls in that category of shocking, but not surprising. I remember when we

00:03:14.460 had the Kavanaugh protest during his confirmation hearings and senators had to wade their way through

00:03:19.400 protesters and whatnot, telling colleagues, if they ever come close to overturning Roe,

00:03:24.140 they're going to have to have someone sweeping the bottoms of their cars with mirrors every morning

00:03:29.320 before they put the metaphorical key into the ignition. It'll be that bad. And we're beginning to

00:03:34.960 see that. And what's sad about it is the Supreme Court has been a relative sanctum removed from the

00:03:42.520 worst of our political sewer, right? The Dobbs oral arguments, they're arguments I heard that I didn't

00:03:50.560 like. Sotomayor said things I thought was ridiculous, but it was civil. It was substantive.

00:03:56.500 It was intense at times, but something you could be proud of as a nation. That's the way our highest

00:04:03.220 court decides issues. And now that's all been blown up. Whoever leaked this deliberately wanted to blow

00:04:08.180 that up, the justices will never be able to trust themselves the same way. Their deliberations will

00:04:12.760 never occur the same way. And whoever did this must have had in the back of the forefront of his or her

00:04:18.400 mind that this kind of pressure campaign would start. And in a nation of laws, this is not how

00:04:25.220 you decide Supreme Court cases. Who's scared and who's intimidated and who has a mob outside their

00:04:31.240 house. So it's another dissent down in our political and civil culture. It's very sad. These justices need

00:04:38.400 24-7 security. And this opinion needs to be, as some of my colleagues have said, released as soon as it's a

00:04:44.280 final majority opinion. To remove all incentive for someone to do something crazy to try to stop it

00:04:53.280 from happening. That's true. That's actually a good point. I was kind of thinking, to be honest with

00:04:58.600 you, that most people who are saying, just release it right away, were on the pro-life side. It was

00:05:04.560 just like, it looks good. Let's fire away. Get it out there. Because they didn't want a wobbly justice to

00:05:09.100 jump ship. But what you just said is a good point. Removed the incentive from the lunatics to do

00:05:15.980 anything to these justices. And when you don't, we can't say it's not possible. People are so angry

00:05:23.060 over this. And you have people expressing their anger in ways that are just totally beyond the pale,

00:05:29.820 like making all sorts of predictions about what's likely to happen. Like gay marriage is going to be

00:05:34.680 illegal and interracial marriage is going to be illegal and contraception is going away. I mean,

00:05:39.880 they're intentionally trying to stir up anger, passions and so on completely baselessly. As this

00:05:48.080 group says, go to their homes, go to the homes of the justices and quote, rise up, quote, force

00:05:53.320 accountability. What outside of their home? What does that mean? Using quote, a diversity of tactics.

00:05:59.760 When they talk about bailing people out, you're obviously contemplating lawlessness. And the supreme

00:06:07.600 irony here, no pun intended on supreme, is that in 1992, when the court basically upheld Roe, but also

00:06:15.460 rewrote it on the fly, it said, we're settling this, right? When there's a contentious issue like this,

00:06:23.180 the court, which has such an amazing standing in our lives, can just come in and decide and everyone

00:06:28.880 respects that. And Scalia and just one of these, another one of these incredibly prescient dissents

00:06:34.920 is like, that's crazy. That's not going to happen. And by the way, there's this portrait of Roger

00:06:39.580 Taney, who wrote Dred Scott at Harvard Law School that looks very sad. He looks very sad in the

00:06:45.280 portrait. You know why he's sad? It's because that's what he thought he was doing in Dred Scott.

00:06:49.300 He thought this is the court taking on an issue Congress can't decide that, you know, is really

00:06:53.660 divisive, that people, you know, it's a fraught moral issue and the people are really passionate about.

00:06:58.540 And the court, nine of us in our robes will decide it. And we know how that turned out. It turned out

00:07:03.520 really badly. This has turned out really badly. And what you've seen is not all, but a large part

00:07:09.680 of the political contention and divisiveness over this issue, not removed, but centered on the court,

00:07:14.740 right? So now we're seeing our kind of poisoned and embittered politics coming directly into the

00:07:19.720 court to interrupting how it's operated for decades, changing it probably the nature of its internal

00:07:26.620 culture forever. And now you have a situation where justices plausibly need security 24 seven.

00:07:34.080 So how is that settling this issue forever working out for you, Casey majority? You know,

00:07:38.540 most of those justices aren't with us, but that was a catastrophic mistake.

00:07:42.660 That's exactly right. And now I'm actually looking to see what, yeah, we do have it. This is soundbite

00:07:47.340 13 when asked specifically about the leak. Jen Psaki speaking for the White House. I mean,

00:07:55.560 this is an incredible breach of trust, of confidentiality of 235 years of dignity and

00:08:01.200 precedence and respect for the justices in their process. She couldn't even bring herself to condemn

00:08:07.040 it. Not one word of condemnation. Take a listen. Does the White House condemn, explicitly condemn

00:08:15.420 this leak and or has seeing this draft been seen as welcomed by some here? I don't think we have a

00:08:21.780 particular view on that other than to say that we certainly note the unprecedented nature of it.

00:08:28.160 What we are mindful of, and I spoke to the president about exactly this question yesterday,

00:08:32.440 and obviously it's up to the Department of Justice to determine what, if any action,

00:08:35.740 they will take. And I know, obviously, there have been calls for that from some Republicans,

00:08:39.940 but also members of the Supreme Court. Unbelievable. She wouldn't do it.

00:08:44.540 Yeah. You know, they won't even do the caveat. And I don't think I've seen one person,

00:08:48.760 one Democratic elected official. I'm not even sure I've seen anyone in the center left just say,

00:08:52.380 this leak is bad. Shouldn't have happened. This isn't the way you go about business. It's a

00:08:56.900 breach of trust. But, you know, Alito's opinion is terrible and reversing Roe would be awful and would

00:09:02.020 threaten the whole infrastructure of rights, modern rights in this country. You can do all

00:09:05.600 that. But give us at least the caveat. And they have it. And it just goes to, you know,

00:09:09.960 I think norms and institutions are important no matter what. I don't care who likes them or

00:09:14.320 dislikes them or who's hypocritical about them. I think they're important. And nothing's going to

00:09:17.620 change my view on that. And you said that during the Trump administration.

00:09:22.200 What's that?

00:09:22.920 You said that during the Trump administration.

00:09:24.540 Yeah. And for five years, people like Jen Psaki said how important norms are. This is one of the

00:09:29.760 most shocking breaches of norms, you know, the last couple of decades, right? Coming into an

00:09:34.740 institution that's been totally different and above this kind of thing. And they can't even bother with

00:09:38.940 a one sentence caveat, you know, to be sure clause, as opinion writers say, when you have to acknowledge

00:09:44.860 some reality, it's a little bit uncomfortable, but make your main argument. They won't do it.

00:09:48.920 And it just goes to how hypocritical they are about institutions and norms. And I was,

00:09:53.720 I was at this point long before, but it just reinforces. I never, ever, ever want to hear a

00:09:58.980 lecture from them on that stuff again. Yeah. Same. We're sleeping giants looking forward to

00:10:04.600 its campaign to restore normalcy to the way we treat our institutions. What a joke these

00:10:09.600 institutions are that try to act as guardians of our country and all that, you know, we stood for,

00:10:14.400 for all the Trump years. Give me a break. That's the one advantage of this kind of thing,

00:10:18.160 as you see the truth, even people who are denying it, see the truth. But it is, it's gross. So yeah,

00:10:23.620 she couldn't spare a word, even though the justice's safety is in danger now, for sure.

00:10:27.420 There's no question. Even, even the liberal justices are potentially in danger. And she

00:10:31.060 couldn't spare a word for the conservatives. Maybe she could spend some time thinking about

00:10:34.200 Justice Breyer, who's 82, who just for the audience, because I've gathered now from a lot of

00:10:39.500 online comments, people aren't totally understanding that Breyer is still on the court.

00:10:44.480 Ketanji Brown Jackson is going to take his seat, but she's not on the court yet.

00:10:47.900 Breyer is part of this decision. Because some people are like, it was Ketanji Brown Jackson's

00:10:52.400 clerks. You know, she's the new person. Like, no, she's not there yet. She, she doesn't have her

00:10:56.620 people yet. So anyway, no, no respect even for the lips.

00:11:01.040 Even if these protesters, you know, are really nice when they show up at the homes. And if nothing,

00:11:06.980 if nothing happens, of course, we pray God that it doesn't. Just having it in the justice's head

00:11:12.080 is a terrible thing. I remember a couple of years ago, it's nothing like what other people have

00:11:16.860 faced. You know, I was doxed, right? And I talked to someone, a colleague, been doxed a lot. It's

00:11:23.080 like, what do you do when you're doxed? He's like, don't worry about it. You know, it's not a big deal.

00:11:26.800 Probably anyone could really find that information about you anyway, even if this publication hadn't

00:11:32.100 put out there. But what they're doing is they're getting in your head. They want you to think next time

00:11:36.180 when you say whatever upset them. Maybe I won't do that because it's too much trouble. And to have

00:11:40.400 this in the head of justices is a terrible thing for this country, a terrible thing for the rule of

00:11:46.800 law, and a terrible thing for our institutions. And this is an extreme example. But I just read

00:11:52.580 this great book on Japanese deliberations prior to Pearl Harbor and how they decided to launch that

00:11:58.700 attack on us. And part of it was almost everyone knew it was a bad idea, but they were afraid to say

00:12:04.900 it. You know, some of it was just the culture there, but some of it was people were assassinated

00:12:09.360 or under threat. And if it got out there, you're wimpy and a dove and betraying the nation, someone

00:12:15.820 could come and kill you. And if they didn't come and kill you, you at least had to think about that.

00:12:20.260 So we don't want to get anywhere near that road. We don't even be one step on that road. But this

00:12:25.600 puts us at least a couple of steps on that road. Well, and the whole leak itself, which seems designed

00:12:30.600 to get into the justices' heads, right? We don't know. I actually heard

00:12:34.380 an interesting theory thrown out the other day of what about Washington incompetence? What about

00:12:39.880 the idiot who left it on the copier or like brought it home and the husband found it and

00:12:43.720 leaked it? You know, like, I guess we have to leave open the possibility that incompetence is

00:12:47.940 to blame, but I doubt it. They've been incompetent for a long, long time in Washington.

00:12:52.420 This is the first time it ever happened. And it happens to have happened on Roe versus Wade

00:12:55.660 reversal. No, it was intentional in my belief. So anyway, my point is it. So it was designed most

00:13:01.600 likely to manipulate. And that's totally contrary to the very mission of the Supreme Court. It is

00:13:08.640 designed to operate without political whims influencing it. It's supposed to be independent.

00:13:15.900 That's why we give these guys lifetime tenure so they don't have to worry about getting reelected.

00:13:21.400 So somebody either doesn't understand if it's a law clerk, the job she or he accepted or the

00:13:27.180 institution that they're working at, or they understand it perfectly and they're part of the

00:13:31.180 burn it all down crowd. Yeah. Well, again, this is because the court intervened with no constitutional

00:13:37.220 warrant on a hot button social and cultural issue. And if Roe had never come down at the time

00:13:43.460 abortion laws were liberalizing, that trend would have continued, but many restrictions would have

00:13:49.860 stayed in place and we would have reached some sort of equilibrium where some states it would have been

00:13:53.920 legal, some states it wouldn't have been, and some states it would have been in between. And as an

00:13:57.440 ardent pro-lifer, that wouldn't have been satisfactory to me. For ardent pro-abortion folks,

00:14:02.180 it wouldn't have been satisfactory to them. We'd still have a big argument about abortion,

00:14:05.800 but one side wouldn't have expected to get everything it wanted because of a judicial fiat for the

00:14:10.740 Supreme Court. And one side wouldn't have been frustrated for 50 years and not really having its view

00:14:16.920 on this expressed democratically. And that would have been much better than what we've done, which is have

00:14:22.000 this proxy war over the court, one side getting used to having everything it was because of what

00:14:27.920 the court said. And now, you know, it partly kind of blowing up or at least damaging the court and

00:14:34.640 its legitimacy and its reputation. So this is one of the most catastrophic decisions the court has

00:14:40.780 handed down in its history.

00:14:42.520 Roe. Roe was. Yeah, you don't mean the reversal. So here's a bit of the Democrat messaging on this,

00:14:47.640 because it really has been a total meltdown and misrepresentation in many cases of what this

00:14:52.680 means and what this is. But so the audience understands this is where the Democrats are on

00:14:56.640 this today. This is soundbite one, a montage.

00:15:00.620 Those Republican leaders who are trying to weaponize the use of the law against women.

00:15:06.860 Well, we say, how dare they?

00:15:11.320 This is the first time in my living memory that the United States Supreme Court has actually taken

00:15:17.480 away a right.

00:15:19.460 What are the next things that are going to be attacked? Because this MAGA crowd is really

00:15:24.780 the most extreme political organization that's existed in American history and recent American history.

00:15:31.180 It all comes down to who should make decisions about your health, your life and your future

00:15:38.000 as a woman in America.

00:15:41.140 Republicans are spending all their focus on the leak because they don't want to talk about Roe v.

00:15:47.880 Wade, where they know they're on the wrong side of history.

00:15:51.900 They have been out there plotting, carefully cultivating these Supreme Court justices

00:15:57.520 so they could have a majority on the bench who would accomplish something that the majority

00:16:04.220 of Americans do not want.

00:16:06.020 If you stand for freedom, for self-determination, for the right to privacy, if you stand for these

00:16:17.340 principles, stand with us.

00:16:22.260 Oh, boy.

00:16:23.140 Apparently, Kamala Harris's speech writers wrote and rewrote and rewrote that speech for

00:16:27.100 her to deliver at Emily's List so she finally could look tough on something rich.

00:16:30.960 To me, it's like I don't see Republicans afraid to talk about Roe v. Wade.

00:16:35.160 Not at all.

00:16:36.300 I see the Democrats trying to say this is about reproductive freedom and not wanting to touch

00:16:41.980 what an abortion actually is and what the Republicans actually want, which is for the United States

00:16:47.580 of America, which is a republic, to operate as a republic, where we have a small federal

00:16:52.580 government that doesn't pass a whole lot of laws and the states get to decide how the

00:16:56.060 people within them are going to live as voted on by those people.

00:17:00.320 Yeah, it's very telling.

00:17:01.060 In all those clips, which are quite representative, there's really no one arguing abortion is in

00:17:06.740 the Constitution.

00:17:07.480 Here it is.

00:17:08.400 You know, here's the line that establishes a right to abortion that the founders put in

00:17:13.240 the Constitution or is in one of the amendments because it's not there.

00:17:15.760 I mean, the closest you get is Kamala Harris referring to a right to privacy, which is

00:17:20.380 very nebulous and vague.

00:17:21.660 The rest of it is public opinions in favor of Roe, and this is an important right.

00:17:26.060 And those are fine arguments to make.

00:17:27.500 I would disagree with them, but they don't really make a constitutional argument because

00:17:32.500 there isn't one.

00:17:33.240 And the court's role is to interpret the Constitution and when it's been wrong, to reverse itself.

00:17:39.460 And there's no warrant for this.

00:17:41.220 Honest pro-choicers like my former great legendary boss, Charles Krauthammer, he was pro-choice.

00:17:47.620 But he said, Roe's travesty.

00:17:49.280 He's just not there.

00:17:50.560 And the fact is, Roe hopefully was going to go away.

00:17:53.320 We'll see.

00:17:53.680 And then most places, you know, most people who inherently are not along to Elizabeth Warren,

00:18:01.280 Kamala Harris, you know, they live in California or New York where nothing is going to change.

00:18:05.480 Literally nothing is going to change.

00:18:07.680 And I do think Democrats, they, well, one, they sincerely are invested in abortion in a

00:18:13.160 major way.

00:18:13.740 But two, they realize talking about this is better for them than talking about anything

00:18:17.380 else that's going on.

00:18:18.880 So they're, they're desperate to talk about this, but I just wonder, you know, when Texas

00:18:23.500 banned abortion or sort of a clever way around Roe, Terry McAuliffe tried to run out in Virginia,

00:18:30.980 didn't, didn't get him anything.

00:18:32.300 So I just wonder in, in most blue jurisdictions in America, how much this is actually going

00:18:37.000 to play, you know, that, that, you know, in some other red state, women won't be able

00:18:42.340 to get an abortion after 15 weeks.

00:18:44.480 Is that really going to be a cause of outrage that knocks inflation off of the top of mind

00:18:49.480 concern for people?

00:18:50.380 I kind of doubt it, you know, and then you'll have red states where it'll, you'll have pretty

00:18:54.860 sweeping prohibitions, but there'll be popular.

00:18:56.620 And then you'll have some, some states where, you know, purplish states where it's a real

00:19:00.300 political war and they'll, they'll come out somewhere in between.

00:19:02.480 But that, as you allude to, that's what happens in a democratic Republic, right?

00:19:06.640 It's messy.

00:19:07.380 You have a debate and then you, you, you have some sort of settlement or consensus.

00:19:12.420 And if it's not in the, you know, if mores change or political opinions change, then,

00:19:17.120 then you, you move the, the needle, the needle and you change the laws.

00:19:20.900 And again, it'd been much better if we would have been doing that the last half century,

00:19:24.580 but we didn't because of the travesty of Roe.

00:19:26.960 You know, this morning on the New York times podcast, the daily, you know, it is not, obviously

00:19:31.260 not a right leaning program.

00:19:32.700 They were talking about how in general, uh, the laws, like the 13 trigger laws that as

00:19:39.100 soon as Roe gets over rate, uh, over ruled automatically, abortion will be illegal in

00:19:43.700 those states.

00:19:44.160 And then you've got, you know, another maybe 11 states on top of that, or 10 that are going

00:19:49.200 to make it somewhat illegal or illegal.

00:19:51.060 In most cases, they were saying those, the popular will in those states actually does match

00:19:57.100 up with those laws.

00:19:59.540 In other words, there are majorities in places like Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia to

00:20:04.220 strike down abortion.

00:20:05.600 Those laws are on the books because that's what the voters want.

00:20:08.180 It doesn't mean all the voters, but a majority of voters.

00:20:10.580 That's how it works in our country.

00:20:12.120 So it's not like New York and California are going to outlaw abortion.

00:20:16.560 The voters are going to have their will here and there as well.

00:20:20.900 It's just that the Democrats want to make sure that some, you know, unknown people in these

00:20:25.620 states who don't have a majority that they get what these Democrats want for them.

00:20:30.620 But that's just not the way the country was set up.

00:20:33.100 That's just not the way it works.

00:20:34.720 But unfortunately, as a pro-lifer, I'm not happy about this, but I think it's just a

00:20:38.300 fact.

00:20:38.880 There'll be a massive push, you know, Mississippi bans abortion.

00:20:42.260 There'll be billionaires, progressive billionaires funding programs to, you know, if a woman wants

00:20:47.180 to get an abortion, lives in Mississippi to get her someplace else, you know, where she

00:20:51.280 can transport her someplace to get an abortion and also, you know, pills, aborcipations will

00:20:56.620 be very hard to stop.

00:20:58.240 So this will, if Roe's overturned, it will diminish the number of abortions in America,

00:21:02.440 which is, I think is a great thing, but, you know, 20% or something, not where I want it

00:21:07.120 to be, you know, 90 or 95 or 99%.

00:21:11.300 So for pro-lifers, reversing Roe would be a significant victory, but it really just puts

00:21:16.080 us at the starting gate.

00:21:17.360 You know, it puts us able finally to legislate and there's still tons of work and advocacy

00:21:22.900 and convincing to be done.

00:21:24.560 Yeah, the right couldn't even have the battle on this while Roe was in place because it

00:21:27.740 just shut you down.

00:21:28.460 You'd already lost.

00:21:29.580 And now it's like, okay, now it's on.

00:21:31.020 Now we get, we both get a chance to compete for the votes of each state and try to convince

00:21:35.860 the legislatures to do what we want.

00:21:38.980 I think you're, you're absolutely right that it's not going to be as big an issue as I was

00:21:42.840 saying this yesterday, as it would have been 20 plus years ago.

00:21:45.240 But that, that won't stop the Democrats and the media from trying, you know, because the

00:21:52.200 media too wants the Democrats to win and the media too sees inflation and sees crime and

00:21:56.260 sees these poll numbers for the Dems and the media doesn't want bad results for the Dems.

00:22:00.340 And that's why you get soundbites like this one.

00:22:02.780 This is number six with a media reaction.

00:22:04.480 And that is, you know, it mirrors what we just heard from the Dems.

00:22:08.860 Listen.

00:22:09.440 It's going to be very hard for me today because my blood pressure is so high.

00:22:12.320 I want to cry in so many different ways.

00:22:14.100 I also feel my blood pressure ticking up by the minute.

00:22:17.280 I couldn't go back to sleep.

00:22:18.900 It's that devastating.

00:22:20.580 This is a category five hurricane.

00:22:22.460 This is really an upending of the rights of women in American society.

00:22:26.440 Women who are poor, women are women, women of color.

00:22:28.480 They will be forced to have pregnancies that they cannot afford to terminate and pregnancies

00:22:33.740 that will then turn into children.

00:22:35.240 Next, they'll go after gay marriage and maybe, maybe the board, the, what is it, Brown versus

00:22:40.380 Board of Education?

00:22:41.140 Yeah.

00:22:41.480 Gay marriage.

00:22:42.240 Maybe even interracial marriage.

00:22:44.040 The court will surely suffer for this shattering self-owned to its own legitimacy.

00:22:49.080 What did you think was going to happen in 2004 when they replaced Sandra Day O'Connor?

00:22:53.560 I hope there will be a national uprising.

00:22:55.640 What did you think was going to happen when Mitch McConnell stole the Supreme Court seat?

00:22:58.300 There is some connection between an effort to overturn an election and an effort to overturn

00:23:02.380 Roe.

00:23:02.940 The founding fathers didn't recognize abortion as a fundamental right because the founding

00:23:06.700 fathers were racist, misogynist jerk faces who didn't believe that women had any rights

00:23:12.660 at all.

00:23:16.820 So, so Megan, there are so many there, it's hard to keep up.

00:23:19.720 But did someone say near the beginning, I want to cry in so many ways?

00:23:23.260 Yes, yes, yes.

00:23:24.420 Neil, Neil Katow said that.

00:23:26.840 Yeah.

00:23:27.200 By the way, that was put together by the geniuses over at Media Research Center.

00:23:31.840 I want to give credit where it's due.

00:23:33.120 Yeah.

00:23:33.300 I've met journalists who are hawkish, journalists who are pro-free market, et cetera.

00:23:38.140 I don't think I've ever met a journalist for a major mainstream outlet who's pro-life.

00:23:43.480 Just never.

00:23:44.440 Just the culture on this is so strong.

00:23:47.040 Some of those folks are just commentators, but others purport to be journalists.

00:23:50.960 And yeah, that's, that's, that's, again, it's shocking, but not surprising.

00:23:57.000 That's just where they are on this issue.

00:23:59.560 It's hysterical.

00:24:00.420 Now you have people like Gavin Newsom, who says California is going to be an abortion

00:24:04.260 sanctuary.

00:24:05.420 Oh, and by the way, before I get to Gavin Newsom, you guys on your homepage today, you probably

00:24:09.100 know, have an article about how the Biden administration is looking at whether they can

00:24:12.740 use Medicaid to fund travel for poor women in the states that ban abortion to go to states

00:24:18.560 that are blue, you know, blue states that allow abortion.

00:24:21.120 That's taxpayer dollars.

00:24:22.380 All this stuff's going to be shot down, Rich.

00:24:24.420 I mean, like this is not going to withstand legal challenge.

00:24:27.020 They're looking to throw out some crumbs to gin up electoral support, but there's zero

00:24:30.760 chance they can use Medicaid funds to support abortion trips.

00:24:35.320 Yeah.

00:24:35.520 And everything they're talking about doing in Congress, obviously they would need 60 votes

00:24:38.880 in the Senate to do it or abolish the filibuster.

00:24:41.560 They still don't have the votes to abolish the filibuster and they're not going to get

00:24:44.100 60 votes in the Senate.

00:24:45.580 So we're going to be back kind of with the voting bill again, where we just have these

00:24:50.560 votes as theater, where they, I don't know how it makes sense to just own yourself and

00:24:55.880 put up bills that go down to defeat, but that's what will happen.

00:24:59.860 Chuck Schumer's, like that's what he's going to be, he's going to be known for that.

00:25:03.120 That's like his thing.

00:25:03.840 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:04.480 His strategy.

00:25:05.780 Yeah.

00:25:05.920 Mitch McConnell got a couple extra Supreme Court seats, but Chuck Schumer got a lot of his

00:25:09.920 own bills defeated.

00:25:11.560 Who's done a better job?

00:25:12.900 But the action will be, you know, with, with the States, uh, as you're saying with Gavin

00:25:17.820 and private actors, you know, flying every woman in a red state wants an abortion to

00:25:22.920 California.

00:25:24.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:25.220 All right.

00:25:25.580 I'll get to Gavin Newsom just a bit later in the show and what he's tweeting out now,

00:25:28.900 because it's, he's just as crazy as you would think, Rich.

00:25:32.140 Uh, always a pleasure, sir.

00:25:33.360 Thank you for coming on.

00:25:34.300 Awesome.

00:25:34.420 Thanks so much.

00:25:35.300 Have a great day.

00:25:35.780 Uh, okay.

00:25:36.860 Up next, we're going to be joined by Texas Senator Ted Cruz, who not only has worked on

00:25:41.220 a lot of this type of, uh, a lot of these issues, but he actually clerked for Chief Justice

00:25:46.120 Rehnquist.

00:25:47.140 And, uh, so he's got some thoughts on the leaker and what should happen to him or her.

00:25:51.400 Join me now, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Cruz was a law clerk for the late Supreme Court

00:26:02.060 chief justice.

00:26:03.480 Uh, he's considered chief justice of the United States, William Rehnquist.

00:26:07.340 He's also argued nine plus times before the high court.

00:26:10.920 Welcome back, Senator Cruz.

00:26:11.880 Great to see you.

00:26:12.800 Megan.

00:26:13.080 Great to be back with you.

00:26:13.880 Can we start with this threat now to the justices where these groups are organizing protests

00:26:18.180 outside of their homes, including the, the ones, I mean, they're, they're targeting the

00:26:23.920 quote extremist justices, meaning the conservatives who are reported to be in the majority, including

00:26:29.280 Amy Coney Barrett, who's got seven children, two adopted from Haiti, youngest child has Down

00:26:34.020 syndrome.

00:26:34.400 They range in age from 10 years old to 20 years old.

00:26:39.200 And I know you have two young daughters of your own.

00:26:41.180 Kavanaugh has got two, two daughters as well.

00:26:43.940 I think they're 13 and 16.

00:26:45.780 It's disgusting.

00:26:46.700 And they're calling for innovative tactics, saying that they've got to get these extremists.

00:26:53.480 What do you make of it?

00:26:55.060 Well, I, I think this is the latest manifestation of a multi-year effort from Senate Democrats

00:27:02.000 to demonize the court and to politicize the court.

00:27:06.340 Uh, and, and they're willing to go to almost any lengths to do so.

00:27:11.200 Um, you know, we, we, we saw Chuck Schumer stand on the steps of the Supreme Court.

00:27:16.700 And, and, and call out two justices by name, threatened to unleash the whirlwind saying,

00:27:22.780 you will pay the price if you do not decide these cases the way we want you to.

00:27:28.880 Um, we've seen multiple Democrats get behind packing the court, the, the radical plan to

00:27:36.220 put four new justices on the court and expand it from nine to 13 justices to put four leftists

00:27:43.020 on the court immediately.

00:27:44.020 Yeah.

00:27:44.900 Um, all of this systematically has, has worked to create an environment where now, uh, for

00:27:53.600 the first time in the history of our country, someone leaked a draft of an opinion before

00:27:58.860 it issued.

00:27:59.200 That's never happened before.

00:28:00.540 It is difficult, Megan, to overstate just how great a breach of trust this is.

00:28:09.680 The Supreme court keeps the confidential, the confidentiality of its decision makings and

00:28:16.200 drafts of opinions at the very highest level.

00:28:19.040 There's never been a leak like this before.

00:28:21.120 And it was an obvious attempt to bully and intimidate the justices and the majority to,

00:28:27.400 to, to cause them to change their votes.

00:28:29.260 And, and the threats of violence we're saying are escalating that even further leftists willing

00:28:34.280 to threaten violence against justices and their families in order to try to bully or threaten

00:28:41.540 or frighten them into voting the way they want.

00:28:44.140 And it, and it is an incredible threat to the independence of our judiciary, to the integrity

00:28:51.000 of the Supreme court, to the rule of law.

00:28:53.540 Look, we see this in, in banana republics.

00:28:56.160 We see this in, in third world countries where judges find their lives threatened and, and,

00:29:01.760 and they're sometimes subject to physical threats or even murder.

00:29:04.760 Uh, if, if whether it's drug cartels or whoever it is, if they don't rule the way that, that,

00:29:11.280 that the group wants them to, and, and this threat here, it's really dangerous.

00:29:17.600 How about the fact that the white house won't even condemn it?

00:29:20.600 Jen Psaki was asked specifically, what would you condemn this?

00:29:24.040 She's really not that concerned about it.

00:29:25.840 And she did talk to the president about it.

00:29:27.520 They're really not.

00:29:28.120 I mean, these justices are now in danger.

00:29:31.440 Their lives are in danger.

00:29:32.520 The, the integrity and dignity and process that's worked for 235 years at the Supreme court

00:29:38.440 has been essentially blown up and they, they've got nothing to say about it.

00:29:44.360 Well, look, this is the same Democrat party that for a year, when we had black lives matter

00:29:49.960 and Antifa riots all over the country, uh, that, that, that was unwilling to condemn the

00:29:55.860 violence.

00:29:56.360 You know, we had, um, you know, we had the, the, the summer of love as democratic officeholders

00:30:02.360 just, just ignored rioting.

00:30:04.780 And in fact, when even further than that, Kamala Harris raised bail money to bail out

00:30:11.020 of jail, the violent rioters who were committing horrific acts.

00:30:15.540 We saw all over the country, police cars, firebombed.

00:30:18.720 We saw obviously stores looted in great numbers.

00:30:21.520 We saw people assaulted.

00:30:22.640 We saw people murdered.

00:30:24.280 And, and today's Democrat party is willing to, uh, not only look the other way on that

00:30:31.740 kind of violence, but in Kamala Harris's instance, to raise money in support of the violent

00:30:36.320 criminals.

00:30:37.420 If it meets with their political agenda, that that is an incredible corruption, uh, of what

00:30:44.980 is meant to be a political law enforcement.

00:30:49.140 Uh, and, and it, and it's really dangerous.

00:30:51.380 I got to say in the wake of this leak from the Supreme court, a number of the left wing

00:30:55.280 activist groups, a number of the activists are going online and celebrating the leaker

00:31:00.260 as a hero, um, and saying things, you know, one, one left wing activists, you know, celebrated

00:31:08.240 him as a hero who for saying, F it, let's burn the whole thing down.

00:31:13.020 And, and sadly, the modern left is willing to destroy the institutions of government, whether

00:31:19.040 it is the Supreme court or the, or the Senate in order to achieve their partisan objectives.

00:31:24.700 And that's, that is incredibly dangerous.

00:31:27.080 You know, Laura Ingram used to clerk for justice Thomas.

00:31:30.440 Uh, she and I've talked about that many times and she mentioned it the other day on the air

00:31:34.020 saying when I was there, I, Laura, um, the chief justice Rehnquist, your old boss used

00:31:40.700 to sit us down as the young law clerks and had a very stern warning for all of us about

00:31:46.240 leaking.

00:31:46.940 Did you get a similar warning from him?

00:31:50.160 Oh, absolutely.

00:31:50.980 And I mean, the culture, right when you start, you, you, you, you have very serious training

00:31:56.400 and orientation about confidentiality.

00:31:58.680 You don't take opinion drafts out of the court.

00:32:01.300 So when you're working on an opinion, you work in your office, you work in, in, in the

00:32:06.560 justices chambers.

00:32:08.340 Um, and, and it's the reason why on any given night at midnight, one of the morning, most of

00:32:13.720 the law clerks are still there because you're working.

00:32:15.740 And you have to do it in the Supreme court building.

00:32:17.760 You don't take it home with you.

00:32:18.840 You don't take it on the train or on the bus.

00:32:21.400 You, you work there.

00:32:22.420 Every law clerk has under his or her desk, a burn bag.

00:32:26.020 And, and it's a, a, a brown bag with, with red stripes on it.

00:32:30.180 And any draft that you have, anything you have, you put in the burn bag.

00:32:34.540 The burn bag is then sealed.

00:32:37.680 It's shredded.

00:32:38.640 It's actually shredded twice.

00:32:39.940 It's shredded horizontally and vertically.

00:32:42.960 Uh, and then it is burned.

00:32:44.260 I mean, the, the levels that the court goes to make sure that nothing leaks.

00:32:50.480 And, and the reason is, look, the process of, of, of how the court decides you have the

00:32:55.780 briefing, you have the oral argument shortly after the oral argument, the justices meet

00:32:59.720 in conference.

00:33:01.000 When they meet, it's just nine of them in the conference room.

00:33:03.720 Nobody else is allowed in the room.

00:33:04.980 Conference room is, is directly adjacent to the chief justice's chambers.

00:33:09.200 Um, so much so that the junior justice is required to get coffee for the other justices.

00:33:15.540 And the entrance to the conference room are two doors and it's like an airlock.

00:33:20.440 They're about four feet apart from each other.

00:33:22.020 And if for some reason, someone needs to contact the justices, what you do is you open the outer

00:33:29.000 door, you write a note, you set it on the floor, you knock on the inner door, you step

00:33:33.500 back out, you close the outer door.

00:33:35.060 And then the junior justice goes and opens the inner door to get the, whatever has been

00:33:39.220 written.

00:33:39.920 I mean, that, that's the level of security at that first conference, the justices vote.

00:33:45.060 It's a tentative vote.

00:33:46.580 Uh, and, and, and they cast their votes and then the senior justice in the majority assigns

00:33:53.020 the opinion.

00:33:53.500 So in this, this case, that would have been Clarence Thomas.

00:33:56.580 And so Clarence Thomas presumably assigned the majority opinion, uh, to justice Alito.

00:34:01.220 The justice then spends typically a couple of months working on the opinion and circulates

00:34:07.920 a draft.

00:34:08.520 In this case, the draft was circulated, uh, in February to all, that's a first draft to

00:34:13.900 all nine.

00:34:14.560 You start circulated to every justice.

00:34:16.980 That's a first draft.

00:34:18.280 And what happens over the subsequent weeks and months is there's ongoing negotiations back

00:34:24.180 and forth where justices will say, I don't like this paragraph.

00:34:27.780 I don't like this sentence.

00:34:29.040 Can you add this?

00:34:29.800 Can you take out this, add this footnote, take out this footnote?

00:34:33.480 And there will be on a run of the mill opinion.

00:34:36.760 There will be dozens or even hundreds of edits on a, on a case like this.

00:34:40.680 There could be thousands of edits because there's an ongoing back and forth.

00:34:47.440 Uh, at the same time, dissenting justices will circulate their opinions.

00:34:51.600 And then you start having the majority and the dissents altered to respond to each other.

00:34:57.280 So it's, it's an ongoing deliberative process.

00:35:00.660 And by leaking this draft in the middle of it, it, it destroys the trust everyone has in,

00:35:07.320 in the ability to conduct a careful deliberation following the law.

00:35:12.120 Okay.

00:35:12.800 That leads me, let's do a little criminal investigation together right now, if you don't mind.

00:35:16.800 Yeah.

00:35:17.320 The draft was dated February, which would jive with what you're saying two months after the

00:35:22.440 oral argument, which was December and the likely first vote.

00:35:25.160 Um, so that opinion was likely circulated.

00:35:28.020 I mean, they've, they confirmed that it was authentic.

00:35:29.920 So it was circulated in February.

00:35:32.080 So why, if you're a Supreme court clerk, why would you circulate a decision from February?

00:35:38.600 If you would, I think you would tell me that as of May, May 2nd, when this came out,

00:35:43.700 they would be several drafts beyond that.

00:35:47.600 There'd be many drafts beyond that.

00:35:49.400 So this was apparently the initial draft that circulate.

00:35:52.680 So what would be the reason for that?

00:35:54.460 I mean, can you think of any reason to use one of the old versions?

00:35:59.000 You know, I don't know.

00:36:00.960 Um, so at the same time, the draft was leaked, uh, the leaker also gave apparently inside information.

00:36:09.740 And what the leaker said was that at conference, uh, there were six justices who voted, uh, to

00:36:16.540 uphold the Mississippi statute.

00:36:18.140 There were five justices who voted to overturn Roe versus Wade.

00:36:22.060 Uh, interestingly enough, that is exactly what I predicted.

00:36:25.940 As you know, I, I do a podcast every week verdict with Ted Cruz and, and the week after

00:36:31.300 the, it, it, uh, it was the, it was the number one podcast in the world when, when, when we

00:36:36.880 launched it and we get, we, we still get more viewers on, on verdict than CNN gets on its

00:36:44.300 morning show and, and I didn't even say CNN plus, I mean like the real, real CNN, but right

00:36:54.980 after the oral argument, I did a, did a podcast walking through the details of the argument.

00:36:59.460 And what I predicted then is that there were six votes to uphold the Mississippi statute.

00:37:04.500 And I thought there were five to overturn Roe and Chief Justice Roberts from the argument

00:37:09.680 seemed to be desperately trying to pick off one of the five to not go so far as to overturn

00:37:15.900 Roe.

00:37:16.300 Well, it turns out, according to this leaker, that was an accurate assessment of where the

00:37:20.980 court was.

00:37:22.920 Um, and so the inference I'm left with is, is that you, that this very, very likely came

00:37:29.600 from a left-wing clerk who is deeply dismayed at the direction the court is going, uh, that

00:37:36.240 sees an outcome that is imminent and is trying to put political pressure on the five justices

00:37:44.380 in the majority to get, get one or more of them to flip.

00:37:48.080 Um, I don't know that for sure, but that, that seems to me the most natural influence.

00:37:53.660 What about, how would a clerk get the opinion out of the court?

00:37:58.920 Because, you know, this was a legitimate copy.

00:38:02.120 So, uh, do you believe that they would have had to walk out with a hard copy that they

00:38:07.500 couldn't have, or maybe just wouldn't have been so dumb as to email a version outside,

00:38:13.540 you know, that would all be traceable.

00:38:15.280 Uh, cause I assume they're not searching the, the bags of the clerks.

00:38:20.200 There's a trust system there.

00:38:21.500 So would it be possible to slip a hard copy into your bag before you left at midnight?

00:38:27.300 Oh, sure.

00:38:29.080 And then that would be pretty easy to do because they don't, they don't search your bag.

00:38:32.500 Yeah.

00:38:32.660 You know, you remember back in, uh, uh, back some years ago, Sandy Berger, who'd been the

00:38:38.840 national security advisor, classified documents down his pants and, and, and tried to sneak

00:38:44.340 them out.

00:38:45.300 Um, you wouldn't need to do that.

00:38:47.260 I mean, a clerk, you could put it in your briefcase and take it home.

00:38:49.920 Uh, and they, they don't search you, you know, the court is a small place.

00:38:54.140 It, it, it, it's a big building, but, but really a small place.

00:38:58.240 You've got nine justices, obviously they, they operate almost like nine independent law

00:39:03.620 firms.

00:39:04.000 Uh, the justices rarely talk to each other.

00:39:07.000 Um, each of the justices hires four law clerks.

00:39:10.420 So the, the universe of people who would have access to the opinion and also who would know

00:39:16.980 about the boat totals from the conference, you really are limited to the justices and

00:39:22.540 the law clerks, maybe a clerical person or two or a secretary, but that a clerical person

00:39:29.140 would be unlikely to know the details about the conference like that.

00:39:32.640 I think it is almost certainly a law clerk.

00:39:35.460 I cannot bring myself to believe that a justice was to have anything to do with that.

00:39:40.660 This would be the gravest violation of trust and integrity for a justice.

00:39:46.980 That I just, I refuse to contemplate that scenario.

00:39:49.760 Same.

00:39:50.180 What I think it likely was, was a, a clerk for, for one of the three most liberal justices.

00:39:59.140 If that's true, you've got a suspect pool of 36 clerks, but really 12.

00:40:05.120 And listen, you and I have both known a lot of Supreme court clerks.

00:40:08.660 Many of them are, are book smart.

00:40:10.580 They're very book smart, but not a lot of them are street smart.

00:40:13.700 Um, and, and, and I am skeptical that we have a master criminal, uh, at the court.

00:40:19.320 I think someone's going down.

00:40:21.640 We have, I think a woke nitwit who, who believes passionately in his or her heart that this is

00:40:31.080 a grave injustice and that they're going to burn the place down, uh, and the ends justify

00:40:37.040 the means.

00:40:37.680 And so I think it is almost certain that this clerk, that there's an electronic record,

00:40:42.180 that there are emails, there are texts, there are in-person meetings with the reporters in

00:40:47.560 question.

00:40:48.300 There are also significant security measures the court takes, and I won't get into the

00:40:53.320 precise details, but to identify which printer printed a given, given, uh, draft of the opinion.

00:41:02.500 And, and, and, and so forensically, um, uh, I think we're going to catch this person.

00:41:09.260 I think so too.

00:41:10.340 And when, and when they're caught, I think the repercussions, they, they will be fired

00:41:15.300 on the spot.

00:41:17.100 They will be immediately disbarred if they're members of the bar.

00:41:20.260 Some of the clerks are already members of the bar.

00:41:22.040 Some are, some are not.

00:41:22.960 If they're not a member of the bar, I don't think they will ever be licensed to practice

00:41:26.640 law.

00:41:27.040 And, and I hope that they are criminally prosecuted and serve real jail time, but I think the

00:41:33.120 consequences must be severe for this.

00:41:36.360 On the criminal, let me start, take those in reverse order on the crime, on the possible

00:41:39.600 criminal charges.

00:41:40.760 I heard something interesting, which is there's a chance the justices or the, the marshal now

00:41:45.240 who's doing the investigation, the Supreme court's marshal, the chief law enforcement officer,

00:41:49.200 it's a woman.

00:41:50.120 There's a chance she could have each clerk ask them to sign a statement saying they didn't

00:41:55.840 do it.

00:41:56.720 And if they lie in that statement, it's a federal crime, you know, it's the old, not

00:42:01.100 the crime.

00:42:01.500 It's the coverup that always gets you.

00:42:03.120 And because it may be hard to get this person on an underlying crime of obstruction of justice,

00:42:07.300 though Bill Barr suggested he's, he likes that crime for this, for this particular behavior.

00:42:12.040 Um, maybe theft of documents, Andy McCarthy was kicking that one around.

00:42:16.960 And, um, if those don't work, if they're too tough to make, it's going, I mean, that's

00:42:23.280 really the moment, right?

00:42:24.340 Like you said, you did the leaking, maybe you didn't know it was a crime, but now you

00:42:28.480 sign this thing and this isn't your average schmo.

00:42:30.720 This is somebody who went to, you know, probably one of the greatest law firms in the world.

00:42:34.060 I mean, law schools in the world and has been working steadily hard through since the, you

00:42:37.700 know, two years out, two years into life to, to succeed.

00:42:41.320 So like this, this is where it's all on the line.

00:42:43.320 Are you going to sign a piece of paper saying you didn't do it, which is a crime and handed

00:42:48.540 it, like that is where the, whatever, what's the word, the pedal hits the road, the metal

00:42:53.000 hits the road, whatever it is, that's where your come to Jesus moment is.

00:42:57.360 And no, I think you're right that the most natural criminal penalty will be 18 USC section

00:43:02.960 a thousand and one, which is lying to a federal officer.

00:43:06.200 And it could either be signing a, a, a false statement that you didn't do it or simply telling

00:43:12.680 the investigators, I didn't do it.

00:43:17.020 Presumably this person is going to lie.

00:43:18.940 Presumably they're going to try to get away with it.

00:43:21.420 And that lie carries with it serious jail time.

00:43:25.600 So that's the, that's the easiest and most straightforward thing to prosecute them for.

00:43:30.400 But, but the examples you gave of, of, of, of theft of government property of obstruction

00:43:35.820 of justice it, ironically, some of the, the, the charges DOJ is pursuing right now.

00:43:42.680 Against the January 6th defendants trying to, to obstruct a government proceeding, you know,

00:43:48.840 even the word insurrection gets bandied about, but this is an attempt to, to go right to the

00:43:55.620 heart of the operation of one of our three branches of government.

00:43:59.280 And so there are lots of charges that could be contemplated, but I think the most natural one

00:44:04.040 is lying to the federal officer under, under a thousand and one.

00:44:07.700 What about disbarment since the bar is so liberal, right?

00:44:11.020 Like if the ABA gets involved, they're so liberal, maybe they're working for a liberal

00:44:15.040 justice who would say, I don't want to see this person disbarred, but you got all these

00:44:18.800 others whose lives have been endangered now, whose children are potentially endangered as

00:44:23.120 a result of the fallout of all of this.

00:44:25.340 I mean, who, who would make the decision and will politics play?

00:44:29.040 Cause you know, the country's divided right now on whether we care about the leaker at

00:44:31.840 all, or, you know, like Jen Psaki, who cares?

00:44:34.120 Or those of us who think this is whatever your views are on abortion, who think this was an

00:44:38.720 egregious breach that has to be severely punished.

00:44:41.880 Yeah.

00:44:42.160 So I think any state bar would disbar this person, even some of the most politicized,

00:44:47.400 even a California or New York.

00:44:49.400 Look there, there is for the judicial system to work.

00:44:53.900 You can't have law clerks, uh, handing out internal decision-making during the process.

00:45:00.200 And, and, and lawyers are officers of the court.

00:45:03.320 You have a responsibility.

00:45:04.440 If you have someone that is willing to steal from the court and make it public that, that

00:45:10.380 I, I, I just, I, I don't believe there's any bar that would, would tolerate someone

00:45:16.320 remaining a member of that bar.

00:45:18.100 Um, now I do think this person perhaps after jail time will be lionized on the left.

00:45:25.480 They may well have their own show on MSNBC.

00:45:27.820 Um, and it wouldn't surprise me if, if, if there are law schools that will make this

00:45:33.520 person a law professor, you don't have to be a lawyer to be a law professor.

00:45:36.620 And there are, are radical enough law schools.

00:45:39.560 You know, you look at these schools that take people who were violent terrorists and, you

00:45:44.100 know, try to blow up the Pentagon and they make them tenured professors.

00:45:47.760 Yes.

00:45:48.240 So that's right.

00:45:49.080 Bill Ayers, his wife, Bernadine Doris, Doris, she's at Northwestern Law School.

00:45:52.820 So given that, I think there are law schools that would celebrate this person and make

00:45:59.380 them a professor.

00:46:00.640 Uh, and, and as I said, you know, I, the, the left will turn this person into a hero,

00:46:06.260 but I don't believe they will ever practice law.

00:46:09.820 I don't, I have to say, I made this point yesterday, but a hero for what, what did they,

00:46:12.740 what did they do?

00:46:13.360 The decision is going to come out anyway.

00:46:14.900 It's not like the NSA thing with Snowden where he actually did reveal something that was

00:46:19.320 never going to come out.

00:46:19.980 What did she do or he do just got it like a jumpstart on something.

00:46:23.320 That's just, that's just a reporter scoop.

00:46:25.520 The hero of that story.

00:46:26.980 If you're on the left is the political reporter who got the scoop of a lifetime.

00:46:30.300 She just gave us a little advanced notice on what was coming.

00:46:32.560 If it was a, she, all right, let me ask you quickly before we go, um, any chance, um,

00:46:37.520 we've got too hard, but, um, any chance of any of this legislation actually getting pushed

00:46:42.220 through a codifying row within this center?

00:46:44.280 I mean, there's, is there any chance of that?

00:46:45.920 Uh, look, I, I would be surprised if we don't vote on it.

00:46:50.420 I think, uh, Schumer and the Democrats will, will force a vote.

00:46:53.760 We had a vote earlier this Congress on a really radical abortion bill that the Democrats teed

00:46:59.380 up that, that, that would have gone much beyond codifying row.

00:47:02.980 It would have struck down essentially every restriction that's been put in place on abortion

00:47:07.160 across the country.

00:47:08.060 So state laws restricting, uh, partial birth abortion, restricting late-term abortions,

00:47:13.580 all of those would have been struck down.

00:47:15.080 It would have struck down parental consent laws, parental notification laws.

00:47:19.140 We voted on it and then, and it was a party line vote that I could see them teeing up again.

00:47:24.560 I could also see them teeing up just a straightforward codification of row.

00:47:29.500 But the, but the question is, sorry, I got to go, but yes or no, will it go through?

00:47:32.980 It won't, it won't pass.

00:47:34.520 All the Democrats will vote for it.

00:47:36.280 You may get a couple of Republicans who vote for it, but it won't get 60 votes.

00:47:40.020 So unless the Democrats blow up the filibuster, it won't pass.

00:47:43.360 And I don't think they have the votes to blow up the filibuster.

00:47:46.880 Senator Cruz, always fun talking to you today in particular.

00:47:49.780 Thanks for being here.

00:47:50.560 Thanks, Megan.

00:47:54.720 Joining me now, Michael Knowles, host of the Michael Knowles show over at the Daily Wire.

00:48:00.460 There's so much to discuss, uh, including Secretary Mayorkas admitting yesterday,

00:48:03.960 he did not know that his newly appointed disinformation czar, Nita Jankowicz, called the Hunter Biden laptop Russian disinformation.

00:48:13.560 Oh, and by the way, she believed the Steele dossier was real.

00:48:17.440 Okay, we're going to get to that.

00:48:18.540 But first, let's start with the security breach at the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:48:22.140 Welcome back, Michael.

00:48:23.320 Great to see you.

00:48:24.260 Great to be with you, Megan.

00:48:25.220 Thanks for having me.

00:48:26.260 All right.

00:48:26.620 So the Supreme Court leaker has not yet been found, but there's still a lot of leading candidates who we're not naming,

00:48:32.240 but outed on various threads on the Internet.

00:48:35.420 One who we referenced yesterday, not by name, but there is a female clerk who's married to a guy who's a reporter who used to work at Politico and shared a byline with the guy who broke this story.

00:48:47.520 Doesn't mean she's the one, but she's also an activist when it comes to, quote, reproductive rights.

00:48:53.320 So my only point in raising it is they're going to get to the bottom of it.

00:48:57.140 I've heard rumors, rumors only, that they already know.

00:49:01.280 Somebody said it on my show yesterday, and then another person suggested to me last night that they know.

00:49:06.260 But it's not confirmed, so forgive me, because I'm just speculating here based on what I heard.

00:49:10.320 I think they'll find the person.

00:49:11.900 And you tell me whether you think there's going to be severe penalties for the person, given the fact that half the country will think she's some sort of a hero or he's some sort of a hero.

00:49:22.420 They will find the person.

00:49:23.540 You're totally right.

00:49:24.340 There just aren't that many people that it could be.

00:49:27.140 What are there?

00:49:27.620 Something like 36 Supreme Court clerks, period.

00:49:30.960 If it's four times nine, yeah.

00:49:33.220 Right.

00:49:34.020 So it's not a whole lot.

00:49:36.700 We assume this is one of the liberal clerks.

00:49:39.300 We assume it's probably from one office in particular.

00:49:42.320 Again, just speculating.

00:49:43.460 But they will get to the bottom of it.

00:49:44.980 And presumably there will be severe consequences from the standpoint of the law.

00:49:51.820 Meaning disbarment, the end of one's legal career, probably not criminal penalties.

00:49:57.140 I wish that there would be, but I just sort of doubt that that will actually happen.

00:50:01.860 The person's career as it is currently going down the road is probably over, but it doesn't matter.

00:50:08.240 The person will almost certainly be rewarded with a much more lucrative career.

00:50:11.940 They will be hailed as a hero, probably put in charge of some extremely well-funded left-wing nonprofit or given a show on some left-wing network.

00:50:20.740 And so this breach of trust, this huge upsetting of norms at the Supreme Court, a breach of trust really with the American people where the clerks and the justices are supposed to be public servants.

00:50:32.200 All of that is probably going to pay off pretty nicely in the end for this left-wing activist.

00:50:36.360 And this person for me will forever be known as the person who tried to take down the U.S. Supreme Court and endangered nine people who could have been making millions in private practice, but decided to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court in service of the nation.

00:50:51.000 Left-wing, right-wing, whatever.

00:50:52.880 I have a lot of respect for these people.

00:50:54.640 It's not that I think they all have equal intellect or equal judgment when it comes to deciding cases, but I have a lot of respect for all nine of them.

00:51:01.800 And I think it's disgusting what this person has done to them.

00:51:05.560 For what?

00:51:06.820 For what?

00:51:07.620 Just to stroke her own ego or his so they could say, I was the one.

00:51:12.720 We were getting the opinion anyway.

00:51:14.840 There was no point.

00:51:16.200 And now they're protesting at the justices' houses, including the ones with young children.

00:51:20.160 And this person is probably sitting there inside the Supreme Court pretending that she's not the snake while all of her colleagues get investigated and have her stank all over them because they don't know yet if they don't know who did it.

00:51:35.500 Megan, to be fair, to be fair, there probably was a point to this even beyond her own vanity and her own applause on the left, which is the very thing you just said.

00:51:45.640 These Supreme Court justices are being protested.

00:51:48.220 They're having threats made against their life.

00:51:50.160 And as happens in every Supreme Court term, it ain't a vote until it's a vote.

00:51:55.680 So we've now seen a draft opinion.

00:51:58.260 I hope that the Supreme Court stands by the apparent vote on the Dobbs case and votes to overrule Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

00:52:05.520 But we don't know.

00:52:06.480 There was some talk during the Obamacare case that Chief Justice Roberts was on the side of striking down Obamacare until the very end when he switched his vote.

00:52:15.380 So obviously, this left-wing activist who destroyed the trust and integrity of the court, this person, I think, is hoping that you might see a similar thing here.

00:52:23.720 I doubt that the conservative judges could do it.

00:52:27.080 At this point, you want to talk about the institutional integrity of the court.

00:52:30.400 If they switch their votes now, it's going to become clear that the Supreme Court has no integrity whatsoever and they'll move along with political wins and wherever the threats are coming.

00:52:38.060 But there is a whole lot of political pressure that was successfully brought on these judges as a result.

00:52:43.760 I can't help but feel like, OK, so obviously, if this is a left-wing clerk, there's and if it's a if it's a reproductive rights advocate and so on, there's not much of a care for the child in the womb.

00:52:56.800 Right. This is somebody who thinks that the mother's rights trump all.

00:52:59.380 And there's not much of a care for the justices' children, the children once they're out of the womb and living in the in the home of a justice who might happen to lean conservative.

00:53:08.560 Because you tell me that a 10-year-old child who happens to have Down syndrome is going to have to look out his window and see these assholes coming to protest outside of his home because his mom happens to be a Supreme Court justice.

00:53:22.520 And I tell you, you don't give a shit about children. You don't care about anything or anyone but yourself. It's disgusting. And she knew or he knew that this would happen.

00:53:32.700 This is totally predictable. And this better be all that happens. You know, you actually have to worry about the safety of them.

00:53:39.180 This person thought what they felt mattered more than all of that. And so, no, they should not wind up on MSNBC.

00:53:45.740 By the way, that's probably why Jen Psaki wouldn't criticize them because that's her new employer. Right.

00:53:50.920 She knows this person's going to wind up there. But, no, this person should not be lauded or celebrated or given any financial reward or somebody else going to do it again.

00:53:59.400 And you've hit the nail on the head here, Megan, which is I think I might be the only person in America who was not surprised at this Supreme Court leak.

00:54:07.780 A lot of people were saying, no matter what you feel about abortion, no matter what you feel about Roe v. Wade, it is absolutely shocking that a Supreme Court clerk or someone else at the court would leak this opinion.

00:54:18.340 I don't find it shocking at all. We're talking about people who kill babies, to put it as bluntly as I possibly can.

00:54:23.920 I know that we're trying to dance around the procedures and the case history, but the issue that is actually at hand is whether or not to kill babies in the womb.

00:54:31.320 And so when the stakes are that high and when people are going willing to go to that length, then upsetting a few court norms is child's play.

00:54:39.700 I mean, the true hardcore activists want abortion on demand through nine months of pregnancy.

00:54:44.820 So I don't I don't you're not wrong on those. And I understand that any form of abortion is taking at least a potential form of life.

00:54:51.460 I don't disagree with that at all. So it's really controversial.

00:54:54.520 And, you know, who knows, again, if it's if it's one of the people that they think it is, this person's been a lifelong ardent advocate for abortion and a very expensive abortion rights.

00:55:05.700 Time will tell. We're going to I keep checking my phone because I'm like, at any moment, we're going to know we're going to hear what we will know very soon.

00:55:12.860 I mean, they need to deliver this opinion, I think, sooner rather than later at this point.

00:55:16.260 But what it does show you is just how desperate the pro-abortion side has become.

00:55:21.540 There are basically three arguments in the abortion cases.

00:55:25.240 And with regard to Roe v. Wade, the one the furthest left argument is that abortion is protected in the Constitution somewhere in invisible ink between the emanations and the penumbras.

00:55:34.620 No one can quite tell you where it is, but it's there. Just trust us.

00:55:37.400 Then there is the originalist view, which is the view pushed by Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, apparently Justice Toledo, which is that the Constitution simply doesn't take up the question of abortion.

00:55:48.660 And so talk to your legislators, talk to your states and pass whatever laws you want.

00:55:52.700 There is a further view, which was articulated by Robbie George and John Finnis, conservative legal scholars, in a brief for the court in this case,

00:55:59.960 which suggests actually the court has a responsibility to outlaw abortion because the 14th Amendment prohibits abortion in that it provides equal protection to unborn babies as well.

00:56:11.680 They argue their case very, very well, going back to Blackstone's commentaries and the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the debates around the 14th Amendment.

00:56:19.100 I think what you're seeing here is that of those three arguments, the argument in favor of Roe has just gone completely out the window.

00:56:27.980 No one can really articulate that anymore. The pro-life movement has moved the ball down the field.

00:56:32.580 Now, the only question is, is this up for the legislatures or should the courts strike down abortion themselves?

00:56:39.340 Well, here's what's really interesting to it to me is that now you see all these Democrats saying we've got to codify Roe and they don't have the votes to codify Roe.

00:56:46.620 I was just talking about that with Senator Cruz, who I know you you he was talking about his podcast verdict.

00:56:52.100 You're on that like you.

00:56:53.520 I know that guy.

00:56:54.360 Right. Anyway, so he didn't mention you.

00:57:01.220 Classic Senator Cruz. I guess he has bigger things on his mind.

00:57:04.180 He does. So so they're going to try to codify Roe. They don't have the votes.

00:57:08.220 Judge Napoli. Judge Jay Sekula was here on the program yesterday telling me.

00:57:13.240 Despite Jen Psaki saying they they don't have the votes, even if they kill the filibuster, he said, I'm not so sure about that, because, you know, you do have Murkowski and Collins.

00:57:24.600 You got two Republican senators who could potentially cross over and vote to codify Roe.

00:57:31.220 But here's the thing. If they vote to create a statutory nation right to abortion and that'll get challenged, it'll go.

00:57:41.280 It'll wind up before the U.S. Supreme Court, because somebody will say, same as they did with Obamacare, there are limits to your powers and you overstep them.

00:57:47.320 You don't have the power to create a national right to abortion.

00:57:49.860 It's not in the Constitution and you have that. It has to fall within your enumerated powers.

00:57:53.580 OK, commerce clause abortion affects commerce. That's how they got Obamacare through.

00:57:57.740 The court has been very restrictive on commerce clause powers over the past 20 plus years.

00:58:04.700 They've said no many, many times saying that's a bridge too far.

00:58:07.940 So is that. So is this other thing. So I don't think that they will uphold that.

00:58:11.280 And I think they'll say you didn't have that power by it's going back to the states.

00:58:14.820 But go one more link with with me.

00:58:17.140 If the court were to uphold that Congress, the U.S. Congress has the right to impose a national statutory right to abortion, that can be done the other way, too.

00:58:29.420 Then Congress under a Republican president with a Republican Congress can come in and say, OK, great.

00:58:36.120 We see it the other way. We're going to regulate it, saying there this is there is a national ban on abortion.

00:58:41.100 And if they've got the power. So the Democrats right now are damned because this is going to wind up a state's rights issue, as it was always meant to be, no matter what tricks they are dangling in front of their voters right now.

00:58:53.980 Well, it does raise a question which is sort of even beyond just the minutiae of the Constitution and the minutiae of these laws and even our political arrangements.

00:59:03.860 And the question is, are there some issues that are just so fundamental that we need to decide it at the national level?

00:59:10.160 One issue like this would be slavery, states' rights.

00:59:13.380 I'm a big proponent of states' rights, but states don't have the right to do everything.

00:59:17.400 And the question of slavery was never going to remain as a states' rights issue.

00:59:20.740 The country had to come to a decision. Frankly, the question over the definition of marriage was a similar answer.

00:59:26.780 I asked Justice Scalia this when I was a student. We said, what do you make of the debate over marriage?

00:59:32.780 Can it just be left to the states? He said he didn't think so because a question of marriage is going to change whether you're in one state and moving to another.

00:59:43.100 We're all citizens of the United States. It's a basic question about our relationship to one another and to our state.

00:59:48.160 And I think more so than either of those issues, frankly, is the question of what is a person and are people protected by the laws from the moment of their conception onward or not?

00:59:59.520 As you say, Megan, you're so right. The moment that Democrats try to pass a national abortion protection, the minute Republicans get power, they're going to undo that.

01:00:09.160 And then the minute the Democrats get power, they're going to do it again.

01:00:11.520 And so at a certain point, one probably has to just resolve the issue. I hope it's resolved in an easier way than we've resolved some of those earlier issues.

01:00:19.520 But this this it might not be so simple as just go right to your congressman.

01:00:24.100 Yeah, the Democrats don't want a national law. If you think it through, it's because the only way to keep it legal at this point, if this decision comes out the way the draft looks, is to let it be a state by state issue, to let it be left up to our Democratic Republic.

01:00:40.380 Because if they do have a power to enact a national permission slip on it, then the next Congress has the power to pass a national ban.

01:00:51.360 And there will be a period of time just because of politics in the country where it will be banned.

01:00:57.380 So if it's a state's rights issue, they'll always have it. They'll always have abortion available.

01:01:02.280 There are too many states that are too devoted to it. New York, California, Connecticut, all of those for it to ever get truly banned on a national level.

01:01:10.700 So they should just just take what you can at this point. Be happy that it's not going to be banned entirely.

01:01:17.120 OK, the only other thing I wanted to mention was court packing. This is another thing they keep talking about.

01:01:21.580 I mean, this is the lunatic fringe. Like there's not going to be any court packing since 1869.

01:01:25.620 We've had nine justices on the U.S. Supreme Court.

01:01:27.880 FDR tried to pack the court because they were striking down all his New Deal legislation.

01:01:33.680 And even with huge Democratic majorities in the House and the Senate, they wouldn't act on it.

01:01:38.580 They were like, he's gone insane. We're not going to pack the court with extra justices.

01:01:45.160 And even if so, like this Congress, which is very evenly divided, is not going to support any such plan.

01:01:50.140 Not clear at all. Joe Biden would ever want such a plan. So they're out of options.

01:01:53.480 They're out of options and running around saying elect more Democrats at the federal level makes no sense because those are not going to be the people in power, Michael.

01:02:03.260 Right. I think their their last option, which is the entire purpose of this leak from the Supreme Court, their last option is to just gum up the whole political system, to quote some prominent blue checks on Twitter, to burn it down, to disregard the Supreme Court, to just to just upend our system of government and probably get some more mostly peaceful Molotov cocktails, the likes of which we saw a couple of years ago.

01:02:26.380 I hope that will not work. I hope the justices will not cave to the pressure. But that is the threat that they're making.

01:02:33.000 You are seeing explicit threats against Justice Alito, against Clarence Thomas from very prominent blue checkmark, big accounts on the left on social media.

01:02:43.860 So that's that's their last option. I agree with you entirely within the political process.

01:02:47.960 The pro-abortion side is is out of options. But one fear is that that they could become violent as they have in the recent past.

01:02:55.420 Yeah. And think of look at the messaging from this group that's calling for the protests. This Ruth sent us group.

01:03:01.160 We must rise up to force accountability, force accountability, speaking about protests outside of the justices homes using a diversity of tactics.

01:03:10.160 What does that mean? Good luck defending that if something violent happens.

01:03:14.460 Right. Good luck defending it. Unfortunately, they've got the tacit approval of the establishmentarian left.

01:03:20.960 I mean, this was during the George Floyd riots to look at the most recent example of political violence that was not discouraged by prominent left wingers and prominent Democrats.

01:03:31.020 It was actively encouraged. And then when the violent people were arrested and brought to jail, you had very prominent Democrats, including the current vice president of the United States, raising money to bail them out.

01:03:41.520 They weren't bailing out the mostly peaceful protesters. By definition, they were bailing out the people who were arrested for committing crimes.

01:03:48.360 And if if they did that over the George Floyd killing a couple of years ago, how much more will they do that when we're talking about what has become essentially the sacrament for the modern left?

01:03:58.680 And that is the license to abortion. Now, there's been a bit of a breakdown in the language and the messaging around this.

01:04:06.460 I mean, everyone's remembered what a woman is. You know, everyone has remembered that women are the ones who give birth to the babies, except of all people.

01:04:14.360 Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom has forgotten that actually it's just men and women can both get pregnant.

01:04:22.040 As his side says, he tweets out as follows. If men, if men, Michael, if men could get pregnant.

01:04:28.380 Hello. Didn't get the memo from his side. If men could get pregnant, this wouldn't even be a conversation.

01:04:34.620 And he goes on to say this decision is not about strengthening families. It's about extremism and control and we'll fight.

01:04:40.360 So he got dragged on Twitter from people who pay attention to these debates saying what you're a transphobe.

01:04:46.900 Um, if men could do what now, if who could do what now reported this tweet for transphobia, men get pregnant.

01:04:53.940 Now, keep up with your whack job party, dude. And so on. I had to say I found it pretty amusing.

01:05:00.180 He doesn't need a memo, Megan. He just needs his emojis. If he just pulls up the emoji keyboard,

01:05:05.080 he can see very clearly that men these days can get pregnant. And so that the silver lining in that in

01:05:10.720 the storm cloud of the left's a really aggressive push to preserve abortion is that we finally moved past

01:05:16.500 one of the dumbest talking points in the entire debate, which is if you don't have a uterus,

01:05:21.300 you can't have an opinion. I say to them, how do you know that I don't have a uterus? Whether I do

01:05:25.320 or not, I certainly have opinions and those opinions seem to be winning the day.

01:05:29.060 Wait, is there a male pregnant emoji now? Oh, Megan, I'm shocked that you would be

01:05:35.640 so old fashioned that you wouldn't regularly be using the emoji. Not only is there one,

01:05:40.860 but I have put it in my Twitter name. So I am totally protected. There is nothing politically

01:05:45.460 correct about this conversation we're having right now.

01:05:48.900 Oh, well, that brings me to something I wanted to ask you about, which is your recent controversy.

01:05:54.040 They keep inviting my friends at the Daily Wire to give speeches, and then they find out that you're

01:05:59.000 not totally woke and going to say all the things that they wanted you to say, and then saying,

01:06:03.100 don't come. Right? It happened to Matt Walsh. It's happened to Ben many times. And now it's

01:06:07.580 happened to you, a Catholic church. Explain where you were supposed to go, school, school,

01:06:13.260 and what happened? This was the silliest example I've heard yet. There have been plenty of

01:06:18.540 disinvitations that have gone out, but I had been invited to give a speech through my Young

01:06:23.200 America's Foundation lecture tour. I was invited to give a speech at the University of St. Thomas

01:06:27.660 in Minnesota. And this is a Catholic university. You may have heard of this fellow St. Thomas before.

01:06:34.380 I'm a practicing Catholic myself. This seems like a good fit. However, the leadership of the

01:06:39.360 University of St. Thomas looked into some of my speeches and my writings, and they discovered

01:06:44.540 that I do not go along with transgenderism. I don't believe that boys can become girls and girls

01:06:50.580 can become boys. I think that boys are boys and girls are girls. And if people are confused about

01:06:54.420 that, they should receive counseling to bring them toward the truth and not to indulge their delusions.

01:06:59.280 The University of St. Thomas took this very personally. They said that they do not go along

01:07:05.220 with the values, specifically on transgenderism, that I have articulated, which is very confusing

01:07:10.880 because I got those values and those beliefs from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

01:07:17.400 So if the Catholic university doesn't like my values because they're Catholic, I guess that

01:07:23.280 raises a question about what exactly is being taught at this Catholic university.

01:07:27.640 Yeah, good question. So is it done? They just booted you off and this conservative group

01:07:33.400 can't hear from you that wanted to hear from you? They have booted me. We just heard from

01:07:37.420 the student group yesterday. It was news to me when this came in. They said, we're appealing the

01:07:41.740 decision. We've got a petition going around. I think there's one of these petition websites to bring

01:07:46.280 Michael Knowles to the University of St. Thomas. It's all the sillier. It's always bad when conservatives

01:07:52.700 are not allowed to say conservative things on campus. But it seems especially crazy that a Catholic

01:07:57.860 is not allowed to say Catholic things on campus. And the only point I would make to the University

01:08:03.500 of St. Thomas leadership is if they think that what I am saying is shocking, just wait until they

01:08:08.200 read St. Thomas. Oh, boy, they are going to be in for a big surprise.

01:08:13.100 Okay. On the subject of religion, some people trying to dismiss this decision draft right now could go

01:08:20.700 the other way. Who knows? Violeto as religious fervor, right? Like this is this is crazy religiosity

01:08:27.780 changing women's lives for the worst. And it's wrong. Case in point. And I almost never cite this

01:08:34.620 lunatic was truly she's lost her mind. She used to be like, okay, Kirsten Powers. But she not only

01:08:41.780 she's very woke, of course, but she is possibly the nastiest person on the left. And that's saying

01:08:47.980 something like at least Joy Reid kind of smiles and laughs once in a while. Right? This is an angry,

01:08:55.060 angry woman. And everything she says and writes and so on reflects that. So here's the latest tweet

01:09:01.160 from her. Somebody sent it to me. She blocked me. You can see why. I don't like her. She's right.

01:09:08.440 But this is what she tweeted. If you think is abort, if you think abortion is wrong, don't get an

01:09:13.300 abortion. It's not OK to impose your religious view on others. Why should a Jew or a Muslim,

01:09:20.080 for example, have to live according to your interpretation of the Bible? If you don't get

01:09:24.980 this, please don't ever use the phrase religious freedom again. OK, so like what else? However you

01:09:32.800 came to your views, you don't get to force them out. If you just think slavery is bad because of your

01:09:37.520 Catholicism, you can keep it to yourself, Michael Knowles. Stop imposing your value system on me.

01:09:44.300 This is especially ironic because the thing that the pro-abortion people are trying to defend here

01:09:50.540 is the ritual slaughter of children. It's human sacrifice, which we've seen in every crazy cultic

01:09:55.520 religion in all of human history. But they don't see it as such. They don't. They can see everyone

01:10:00.140 else's religious views, but they believe that their own religious views are simply natural and

01:10:06.000 self-evident and don't actually constitute a belief system, even though their own religious views are

01:10:11.040 extraordinarily eccentric. They have a religious view now called transgenderism, which is really

01:10:16.200 just Gnostic dualism. It's a it's an old religious view that your body has nothing to do with your

01:10:21.160 soul. And so if if your soul is your true self, your body must be rejected or mutilated to look more

01:10:26.380 like your soul. It's an old religious view. They just don't understand that. And so in answer to

01:10:30.960 Kirsten Powers's question, what gives you the right to tell me how you think we should live?

01:10:36.800 Well, the answer is because I'm a citizen and we live in a society. And the way that self-government

01:10:42.200 works is that we persuade our fellow citizens of the way that we all want to live together here in

01:10:47.140 society. And that's not without limit. There is a limit that is imposed here. That limit is the United

01:10:52.040 States Constitution. And the United States Constitution simply does not provide any sort of license to

01:10:58.540 abortion. It's not in there. It's not in the document. And so we are free to to decide this

01:11:04.940 issue for ourselves. If the if abortion is at all in the Constitution, by the way, it is only in the

01:11:10.680 Constitution in the 14th Amendment to outlaw abortion. So I don't really think Kirsten Powers

01:11:15.100 wants to go down that road. But it is an amazing sort of hypocrisy. She can have her religion,

01:11:20.640 but I'm not allowed to have mine. She can have her rights, but I'm not allowed to have mine.

01:11:25.080 And how you came to your opposition to abortion is none of her business. It's irrelevant.

01:11:33.040 The same like your Catholicism is as irrelevant to your political views as her lifetime of bitterness

01:11:39.680 and loneliness and rejection is to how she came to hers. But Megan, what do you really think?

01:11:46.180 Not a fan. Did I make that clear? Yeah. So that's that's sort of what we're hearing. All right. Let

01:11:52.060 me shift gears with you now, because I've got to talk about our disinformation czar. The story on

01:11:56.200 her is getting worse and worse. I actually didn't know that she said the Steele dossier was real.

01:12:00.100 That was news to me. Found that out today. So she thought the Steele dossier was real.

01:12:03.720 And she thought the the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation from the Russians. That's the woman

01:12:11.340 who's going to be making the calls on what is and is not disinformation by the federal government,

01:12:17.540 a department that should not exist at all. And if it were to exist, certainly shouldn't be run

01:12:22.540 by a partisan hack like this person. So Senator Kennedy got into this on Capitol Hill with

01:12:29.120 Mayorkas, who's her boss, because for some reason, this whole thing is coming out of the Department

01:12:32.900 of Homeland Security, I guess, because she's going to be spying on us. I don't know. They say,

01:12:36.880 don't worry, she's not going to spy. But it has something to do with minorities. I you know,

01:12:41.360 they always just say we're helping black and brown people. And we're supposed to say,

01:12:44.320 all right, we'll do it. So he they get into a back and forth, Mayorkas and Kennedy about her.

01:12:49.260 Listen to this. When the department picked her, did did it know that she had said that

01:12:56.020 Mr. Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation?

01:13:02.860 Senator, let me let me repeat myself and add one other fact. I was not aware of that.

01:13:10.280 We do not discuss the internal hiring process.

01:13:13.360 Did it know that she had vouched for the veracity of the Steele dossier?

01:13:20.980 Senator, let me repeat myself and add an additional fact.

01:13:26.380 One, we do not discuss internal hiring processes. Two, I was not aware of that fact.

01:13:33.520 I can tell.

01:13:36.640 Because he goes on to say she's very good at what she does. He goes, I can tell.

01:13:40.560 Yeah. Right. So he didn't know. He has no idea who he's putting in charge of this thing.

01:13:46.220 This woman who absolutely knows nothing about disinformation. Right. If it's not it doesn't

01:13:49.780 align with her worldview, it's it's disinformation. And just in case you were wondering what her

01:13:54.340 worldview is, as if you didn't already from what she's said, listen to this latest soundbite dug up

01:14:00.300 on her. Here, listen, listen, critical race theory has become one of those hot button issues that

01:14:07.800 the Republicans and other, you know, disinformers who are engaged in disinformation for profit.

01:14:14.480 Frankly, there are plenty of media outlets that are making money off of this to have have seized on.

01:14:20.040 And I live in Virginia and in Loudoun County. That's one of the areas where people have really

01:14:26.140 honed in on this topic. Disinformers and Republicans synonymous.

01:14:31.460 I have to disagree with only one point you made, Megan, which is I think this woman knows a lot

01:14:35.680 about disinformation. I think she is extremely good at crafting and peddling disinformation.

01:14:40.380 She's not so good at stopping it. The cherry on top of this whole thing is that her boss is

01:14:45.480 Mayorkas needed more information that the self-appointed commissars of information did not

01:14:52.060 have sufficient information. And it's so important that you keep going back to this odd fact that the

01:14:57.600 Ministry of Truth is going to exist within the Department of Homeland Security. Because what we

01:15:02.480 have been told by the White House is that this Ministry of Truth is only focused on foreign

01:15:07.980 disinformation, foreign propaganda. Well, OK, if that's the case, why is it in DHS? Shouldn't it more

01:15:15.080 likely be in the State Department? Well, it takes only a little Google search to show there already is an

01:15:20.300 Office of Disinformation in the State Department. It's being funded. It's been around for a fair

01:15:26.300 number of years now. So why are they doubling up on this? Because obviously the White House is lying.

01:15:31.920 They're sending out disinformation. And this is not focused on foreign threats to the integrity of our

01:15:38.280 information systems. This is going to be focused on conservatives here in the United States. It's going

01:15:42.780 to be focused on people at home who the left has accused of spreading dangerous extremism and

01:15:48.920 Russian disinformation out of every other breath that they've taken for the past five years. The

01:15:53.560 target is us. So not only might they be open about their attempts to crack down on discussions in the

01:15:59.840 way the White House has with the disinformation dozen and the pressure it's put contrary to the

01:16:04.400 First Amendment on big tech. But I I do worry somewhat about what's going to happen behind the scenes.

01:16:10.700 You know, we had a report out this week about the CDC getting phone information, phone location

01:16:18.020 information. It doesn't show them where Michael Knowles was on any given day or Megyn Kelly,

01:16:21.580 but it shows sort of where the blobs were, the mass, the masses were on any given day during the

01:16:27.840 COVID pandemic. And, you know, whether people were obeying curfews and restrictions in certain cities and so

01:16:34.320 on. So they're already trying to data mine information on American citizens to figure out our behavioral

01:16:39.840 patterns. And that makes me uncomfortable. And I certainly don't want this woman who thinks every

01:16:45.840 Republican is a disinformer. The Steele dossier is real. And the Hunter Biden laptop isn't to be

01:16:52.700 mining data on any of my fellow citizens. Of course. And this is the really hard fact of the whole

01:17:01.300 announcement. We've been making fun of this woman. We've been making fun of the office. We've been making

01:17:05.680 fun of her show tunes videos that have been going around the internet. Ha ha ha ha. The joke is on us

01:17:11.440 because as of now, this office is going to continue to exist. It's going to operate. It's going to

01:17:16.680 obviously operate in a way that they're not telling us it will, because otherwise it would just be

01:17:20.960 duplicating another government office. And they obviously have other designs. The whole thing was

01:17:25.620 announced, what, hours after Elon Musk said that he would take over Twitter and give conservatives more

01:17:30.680 free speech. The timing is simply too coincidental. And so I think what it is so important for the

01:17:35.620 conservatives to do here, especially looking ahead to 2022, when we might take some of the government

01:17:39.820 back, 2024, when we might take the whole thing back, is it's not just a personnel issue. It's not

01:17:44.260 just that we need to get rid of this woman. This office needs to be destroyed. There is a legitimate

01:17:49.580 surveillance and law enforcement aspect to our government. And we've got to put protections on that to make

01:17:56.060 sure they don't overstep. There is no reason for this office to exist. It should be destroyed and

01:18:00.840 they should salt the ground where it once stood. You know, the two things are kind of parallel.

01:18:04.840 Elon's going to take over Twitter, we hope, and they can't burn everything. There's going to be some

01:18:09.900 evidence of all the shadow banning and so on that they were doing. Many people calling for Elon to make

01:18:13.560 that public. Show us exactly what they were doing to many of us on the right who definitely saw our

01:18:18.700 numbers suppressed and so on or didn't have posts circulated and so on. But so that there's that.

01:18:23.240 And then there's this woman who should remember that the chances of her boss, her boss's boss,

01:18:29.520 Joe Biden, staying in office in 2024 or beyond, are looking pretty grim right now and that there

01:18:35.040 will be a new sheriff in town at some point and they're going to get to take a look at her little

01:18:38.560 department and everything it's done. And if it went one way only and if they were spying on Americans

01:18:44.260 and doing inappropriate, we're going to know. We're going to know. And there could be congressional

01:18:48.320 hearings and so on. So that's cold comfort, but at least it's there.

01:18:52.580 And they know they need to operate under that threat. All right, Michael, stand by. There's

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01:19:39.840 A couple of notes on Joe Biden and his messaging. It wasn't that long ago that he stood there telling

01:19:46.980 us he was going to be president unity. Remember, he was going to be president unity. And it didn't

01:19:51.780 matter who you voted for. You know, he was going to be the guy to bring us together. And yesterday,

01:19:58.020 he stood in front of the microphones and literally referred to Trump's voters, anybody who considers

01:20:05.040 themselves MAGA as the most extreme political organization in American history, at least in

01:20:12.220 modern history, most extreme political organization. All right. Most of these diehard MAGA fans are

01:20:19.900 working class, middle class people who have been totally forgotten by Barack Obama in this eight

01:20:26.800 years that he was president, who wanted to try something different, who took a shot at improving

01:20:31.580 their lives and actually saw them improve under President Trump. And that was a failing. Even

01:20:35.980 Barack Obama acknowledged that he'd overlooked this group. Now they have to sit there and listen to

01:20:40.500 president unity, refer to them as the most extreme political organization in American history.

01:20:46.320 Extremist. Same thing as they're calling the Supreme Court justices, the extremists. Right. Which is a

01:20:51.260 very loaded term. And it's basically fraught with racism and bigotry and, you know, anti-Americanism

01:20:58.500 and so on. I'll just give you a sampling of here's president unity and how he sounds today, then and now.

01:21:04.980 With unity, we can do great things. I know speaking of unity can sound to some like a foolish fantasy

01:21:12.600 these days. History, faith, and reason show the way, the way of unity. For without unity, there is no peace.

01:21:22.780 And unity is the path forward. To restore the soul and secure the future of America

01:21:29.320 requires the most elusive of all things in a democracy. Unity. Unity.

01:21:38.100 Together, we shall write an American story of hope, not fear, of unity, not division.

01:21:46.180 This mega crowd is really the most extreme political organization that's existed in American history

01:21:52.100 and recent American history. Hope, not fear, unity, not division.

01:21:59.260 Maybe I'm Pollyanna-ish, Michael, but like maybe somebody in the media would mention that.

01:22:05.160 Maybe somebody would note the shift in attitude, the broken promise, which was never going to be real

01:22:10.740 anyway, right? But he's just gotten so divisive in his own rhetoric.

01:22:17.340 Well, regardless of the civility of his claim, the claim itself is just absurd and it's not difficult

01:22:22.600 to figure out how. The proof that the Republicans or the conservatives are not the most extreme group

01:22:29.620 ever in history, and in fact, actually the left is quite a lot more extreme, is that I don't think

01:22:35.960 that conservatives today hold any opinion that would not have been considered common sense by the

01:22:41.880 majority of Americans 30 years ago. What are the issues that we're talking about here? Regardless of

01:22:46.940 what you think about these issues, the Republican view on marriage, and now it's probably even a minority

01:22:53.480 of conservatives and Republicans, is the view of marriage that men and women make up a marriage.

01:22:59.520 It's the view of marriage that Barack Obama held, not only in 2008, but even as he was heading into

01:23:04.640 the 2012 presidential election. The left-wing view of marriage completely upended that institution.

01:23:10.060 The right-wing conservative view of education is that we shouldn't push transgenderism on five-year-olds.

01:23:16.380 The left-wing view, now being pushed by the White House, is not only should we teach kids those

01:23:20.340 things, but we should put little tiny children on cross-sex hormones and irreversibly mutilate

01:23:25.440 their bodies. Regardless of what you think about marriage, transgenderism, abortion, for goodness

01:23:31.100 sakes, the Clintons ran on safe, legal, and rare abortion, and they were seen as extreme in their

01:23:35.640 time. Today, Democrats are running on abortion on demand without apology up until the moment of birth.

01:23:40.440 And if you're talking about the former governor, Democrat governor of Virginia, even after birth,

01:23:44.760 on no issue is the right more extreme than the left. It's actually quite the opposite.

01:23:52.020 And that's why Biden's not citing any examples.

01:23:54.460 And even the, you know, you think about, OK, crime, right? Republicans were against

01:23:59.380 defund the police. Well, the Democrats came around to that. Now they're denying that they

01:24:02.860 were ever on a different page. Immigration. Republicans have been jumping up and down about

01:24:06.440 the border. Well, Joe Biden must have taken a look at the polls. And now he's like, oh, you know,

01:24:10.480 yes, we care. We have to secure the border. And Mayorkas is like, we've got a plan for when we

01:24:15.080 pull Title 42. Like they talk like Republicans. So on paper, they share a lot of the values that

01:24:21.040 Republicans actually live. It's just when they go back behind doors, when it comes to policymaking,

01:24:25.540 they do something different, which, by the way, the Clintons were the masters of. They said safe,

01:24:29.960 legal, and rare, but they didn't actually believe that. But they were much better liars than most

01:24:34.720 Democrats. You know, it's a lot. It's a lot like that meme that Elon Musk just posted,

01:24:39.740 which was him standing to the left of center. And you had the people on the right and the people on

01:24:45.180 the left. And that was 10 years ago. Now, it's not that he has moved. It's that the center of

01:24:50.620 politics has moved and the left has moved so far to the left that he's considered right of center.

01:24:55.400 I don't know how anyone could say with a straight face that it is the right that has moved right.

01:24:59.860 If anything, the right has moved left on certain issues, a little too far left. But to your point,

01:25:04.360 Megan, the Democrats used to agree with us on all of these issues. Then they went extreme.

01:25:09.260 And now they're starting to come back around to us because it's killing them in the polls.

01:25:13.840 And now so so now Joe Biden is making up fake boogeymen to scare people about the right.

01:25:19.620 You know, like like this one that we have it about how what are they going to do next?

01:25:24.260 They're going to start kicking gay children out of classrooms, LGBTQ children out of classrooms.

01:25:29.820 So if you have a child who's on the LGBTQ group, so you can no longer learn. That's what

01:25:34.980 Republicans have in store. He said it. Saki doubled down on it. Here it is.

01:25:39.880 What happens if you have states change the law saying that that that children who are LGBTQ can't

01:25:48.020 be in classrooms with other children? Is that is that legit?

01:25:52.880 I said today, what happens if you have states change the law saying that children who are LGBTQ

01:25:57.880 can't be in classrooms with other children? What is he talking about?

01:26:03.280 Well, I think, Peter, we've seen extreme laws that target LGBTQ families, their kids across

01:26:11.160 the country. And I think what he's saying is we don't know what they're capable of, given

01:26:14.660 what they've already done to date.

01:26:15.780 Which state is trying to segregate LGBTQ children in the classroom?

01:26:20.700 Well, I think we've seen laws that are incredibly discriminatory. That's what the president's

01:26:25.040 referring to. And the fact that he doesn't know what additional steps could be taken by extreme

01:26:30.660 wings of the party.

01:26:32.580 Oh, bull.

01:26:33.840 I mean, she knows very well that would never be constitutional. I mean, this is absurd,

01:26:37.720 right? Stick with what's real. If she why couldn't she just say, Michael, seriously,

01:26:41.180 they could make an argument. They could say there was only one transgender clinic left

01:26:46.420 in Texas and kids who think that they are trans are getting treatment at that Texas

01:26:51.320 clinic and they're trying to shut it down. That's what the Republic. And what are these

01:26:54.560 kids going to do who have been who have felt affirmed, who have felt non-suicidal because

01:26:59.660 they've been getting this treatment that they find necessary? And these are 16 and 17 and

01:27:02.960 18 year olds. We're not talking about five year olds. That's what I mean. Why can't you

01:27:06.460 why can't she just say that? That would be at least a reasonable answer that you could

01:27:10.460 say, OK, I got I now I know what we're arguing about. I can make my counter argument. You

01:27:14.740 know, it's on. But the fear mongering tells us something. You know, it tells us something

01:27:21.820 about the way they're thinking about their own arguments.

01:27:26.480 Well, they they know that the reality is not convenient for them, especially in an election

01:27:31.980 year. And so they've got to try to burn down fields of straw men. We also have to remember

01:27:37.040 Joe Biden is a nasty man who lies like he breathes. He has cultivated this image that he is good old

01:27:45.100 Uncle Joe. Good. Look, he might not be the brightest bulb in the pack, but gosh darn it.

01:27:49.000 He's honest. He cares about you. He's just nice old Uncle Joe. He's not a nice man. He's a very,

01:27:53.740 very nasty man. And the defining feature of his political career is that he lies with ease. He lied

01:27:59.620 in the 1988 presidential race. That's why he had to drop out. He lied in during the Clarence Thomas

01:28:04.640 hearings, actually, which he was leading. He's lied in 2012 when he said that Mitt Romney wanted

01:28:09.680 to put black people back in chains. He's a lot. I mean, he's lied about some of the most intimate

01:28:14.080 aspects of his lives, about his academic record. I think he lies so much that he actually can't tell

01:28:19.680 the difference between truth and reality. A lot of people are blaming this sort of thing on his

01:28:24.240 senility because he's obviously lost a step. But I think it's even deeper than that. When people

01:28:29.760 are practiced and habitual liars, they start to not be able to tell the difference between reality

01:28:34.460 and fantasy. And I suspect that's where he is. When he says that Republicans are going to try to

01:28:38.960 throw five-year-olds in the gulag or whatever, he either believes it or doesn't believe it or doesn't

01:28:43.820 really care what he believes. And so Jen Psaki is left not giving a defense of what he said and merely

01:28:49.560 insinuating that Republicans are extreme and therefore there's no limit to what we will do.

01:28:54.620 He's not the only one lying. And I'm thinking now about so the two topics I just hit defund the

01:29:02.180 police. The Democrats now want to want us to believe they were never for that. Of course,

01:29:05.980 they were. That's why we had a defund the police movement to begin with. It was they were the ones

01:29:10.500 pushing it. Same thing on covid. Once the Democrats saw what happened in Virginia and that tight race at

01:29:15.120 the New Jersey gubernatorial level, they started to say, we don't go sick of the masks. Take these off.

01:29:20.880 This is nonsense. We don't covid's over. Right. And now perhaps the biggest whopper of them all.

01:29:28.200 Randy Weingarten of all people who runs the second largest teachers union in the country

01:29:35.420 had the nerve to come out this week and talk about her lamentation over the stress in America's

01:29:45.300 children at having been out of school. The nerve of this woman to try to get us to see her as someone

01:29:54.500 who's empathetic toward the pain the children feel at not being in school because of her, because of

01:30:02.740 her. She's the one who made it happen. She's the one who revised CDC guidelines to make sure they could

01:30:08.400 keep our kids out. She worked with Rochelle Walensky's people to make sure the teachers union would have

01:30:13.680 the last word. So listen to what she said this week about the kids being in crisis and and then I'll

01:30:22.580 play you what she used to sound like. Kids are in crisis and we had a mental health crisis before

01:30:33.040 covid, but for two years of disruption, two years of looking at the screens, two years of not having a

01:30:41.540 normal kind of routine and rhythm. Recovery is really tough. She can't even say she's reading it.

01:30:50.340 She is. Can we just play it one more time? If you're listening, you can go back and watch this

01:30:53.900 on YouTube. I'm just going to tell you where she's reading. She's looking. She just can't even spit it

01:30:58.320 out because she knows she's lying. She's got to read her lie. Listen. Kids are in crisis and we had a

01:31:06.360 mental health crisis before covid, but for two years of disruption, two years of looking at the

01:31:15.340 screens, two years of not having a normal holding her notes, waving her notes and rhythm. Recovery is

01:31:22.740 really tough. Reading. Can I tell this is two years of listening to this woman because, you know,

01:31:30.060 I've got young kids. I've been she's far too powerful of saying kids are resilient. So many

01:31:36.660 people asked her they're out of school. This is going to cause lasting damage. They're going to face

01:31:40.300 crisis. And she kept saying kids are resilient. She tweeted it multiple times. She said, I think

01:31:45.760 we've got one of the examples on tape. Here's here it is. Is there a point in which kids have been out

01:31:51.780 of physical in-person school for so long that the education that they've lost isn't really

01:31:57.880 recoverable, that the third grade, the fourth grade, the kindergarten they lost? You can they

01:32:02.600 can take extra semesters in the summer. They can do. But it can't really be fixed. No, I don't believe

01:32:08.340 that. I believe that kids are resilient and kids will recover. We have to believe that this is

01:32:17.180 recoverable. Oh, my God, Michael. That's always the line of people when they screw up kids lives.

01:32:24.680 They always say, well, don't worry. Kids are resilient. No, don't don't take responsibility

01:32:28.960 off yourself here, lady. You're the one who kept the kids out of school. She talks about a mental

01:32:33.080 crisis. I'm having a mental crisis trying to contain myself. Well, this woman is gaslighting

01:32:37.980 me because she is the one who did it. And this is exactly why, by the way, to tie it in with the

01:32:42.760 Nina Jankiewicz DHS Ministry of Truth story. This is why they need the disinformation boards,

01:32:48.180 both the formal one in the government and the informal ones in big tech and at the so-called

01:32:53.520 fact-checking websites, because what they are saying is not true. It's easily discoverable

01:32:58.200 is not true. And so they need to have a power structure that prevents you from saying that

01:33:02.740 and punishes you. I'll give you an example of this actually tying all the way back to abortion.

01:33:06.400 There was a Democrat governor who just signed a law to legalize abortion up through all moments

01:33:11.940 of pregnancy, all nine months. We've seen other laws like this around the country. And PolitiFact

01:33:16.480 rated the claim that this Democrat governor had signed this law as false. When you looked and read

01:33:22.580 the PolitiFact article, it said, yeah, okay, so sure. They actually, he did sign that bill and

01:33:27.720 actually it does allow for abortion through all nine months of pregnancy. But look, it's pretty

01:33:32.060 rare. It doesn't usually happen. So we rate this claim false, but they just admitted in the article

01:33:37.500 that the claim was true. The reason this has power is because the so-called fact checkers determine how

01:33:42.220 the social media algorithms work and they can suppress conservative content. They can de-platform

01:33:47.100 conservative voices. And if they won't do it, then the government might have to step in

01:33:50.600 themselves. If the Democrats were not lying with the sort of blatant gaslighting that you see from

01:33:57.680 Randy Weingarten here, they wouldn't have to do this kind of thing. But because it's so obvious,

01:34:02.540 they've got to come in and censor us. Yeah. What are the children resilient in the face of?

01:34:10.080 You. You. Your policies. Even the New York Times, David Leonhard, one of the straight shooters over

01:34:18.800 there today has a piece out saying what might have been in his morning news column were many of these

01:34:25.880 problems avoidable. The evidence suggests that they were extended school closures appear to have done

01:34:31.280 much more harm than good. And many school administrators probably could have recognized as much

01:34:36.980 by the fall of 2020. And I mean, for her not to take any responsibility for being the person who

01:34:44.800 pushed that on the children is outrageous. More on that. And another day when I, too, get past my

01:34:52.240 personal mental health crisis over the lies being told in my face. Michael Knowles, what a pleasure.

01:34:58.400 Love talking to you. Megan, great to be with you as always. Thanks. All right. We'll do it again soon.

01:35:02.800 Tomorrow, we're going to have the very latest on the Supreme Court leak. I'm telling you, it's any moment

01:35:07.720 now that they announced they found the person. Plus, I'm excited speaking of the Supreme Court to talk

01:35:13.180 about this, that football coach who was fired after praying with his players. His case went up to the

01:35:21.260 high court and it went well for him. So he's going to join us live to tell us what this was all about

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 05, 2022

The Rise of Threats Against the Supreme Court Justices and Leaker Latest with Sen. Ted Cruz, Rich Lowry & Michael Knowles ｜ Ep. 315

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