00:04:04.780And we're going to walk you through what the video showed yesterday so you can see the man alleged to be Robinson more clearly and see the prosecution's case laid out.
00:04:13.060Here's Sergeant David Hull, who was with the Utah State Bureau of Investigation at the time of the murder, explaining the video they say is Robinson arriving on campus to the prosecutor who was questioning him, David Sturgill.
00:04:26.700This is a little less than four hours before the shooting took place.
00:18:48.400And then also, I would even say that, you know, my heart goes out to to Tyler Robinson's
00:18:53.740family as well, because their family was also destroyed by this act.
00:18:59.420And they seem to be they seem to be good people.
00:19:02.820They did the honorable thing, I think, in watching the news, seeing what happened and
00:19:07.820then picking up that phone um i haven't i haven't heard them say one word the entire time um very
00:19:14.740quiet there's you know obvious reasons for that but uh it can't be easy for them but they seem
00:19:20.860like they seem like good people they seem like honorable people they seem like good american
00:19:25.180citizens and uh i think they probably never expected to be in a situation where they find
00:19:32.620themselves now. And so I've just, you know, we're, we're, we're praying for, we're praying for
00:19:38.180everyone involved in this. I've had my rosary out the entire time. I've actually been saying the
00:19:43.080rosary during court. I will say I'm not the only one with my rosary out. I'm not going to say who
00:19:48.540else did that's for them to come out and say, but there's been a lot of prayer and we were doing
00:19:54.760everything we can to make sure that the Holy Spirit is in that room with us. Thank God. Thank
00:19:59.580God, that makes me feel better to know that you have that beautiful rosary you gave me one too,
00:20:04.020which I use all the time in there with you. It just feels like a measure of
00:20:07.720protection somehow. Who is there for Tyler Robinson? Is it just his parents?
00:20:15.140I don't know all of his family members. It's clearly his mother and father that I do recognize.
00:20:20.680And then they do have a number of people with them. I think more than likely extended family.
00:20:25.460um again there's not much communication because when you're in court you're not you're not talking
00:20:30.700um they do ask that we you know maintain decorum they ask that we be quiet so and then when we
00:20:36.780break you know there's sort of an area where they go and there's an area where where we go there's
00:20:41.500an area where the media and the public go and so it's it's you know not really conducive to
00:20:45.820any sort of uh back and forth or interaction and uh and the same you know no cell phones actually
00:20:52.960someone had a cell phone at one point and they were asked to ask to you know take it out and so
00:20:57.120we do have notepads a number of us and so we're doing what we can to take notes but yeah no no
00:21:02.400phones or anything like that but yes tyler robinson's family is there in the courtroom
00:21:06.880as well and again it's it's a very very small space and that's it just adds to how surreal it
00:21:14.080is because you think about how this had so much impact not on just the lives of the families but
00:21:21.840on our country and the world. And yet here we all are. And it's just a room. It's just a very
00:21:29.640small room. Can you describe the moment? Because this is the first moment you, Erica, Charlie's
00:21:37.460parents, his sister have come face to face with his accused killer. And there was a moment where
00:21:44.060for the first time you saw this man walk in or you saw his face in person, as opposed to what
00:21:50.920we've all seen on the air describe that for us so the way the way it was set up was that
00:21:58.340he was there prior to us coming in um and sitting in a in a light suit there at the defendant's
00:22:08.920table and he's seems small next to his his legal team um and uh we were standing and a few other
00:22:20.100people were standing and i think for for a moment we actually you know didn't even realize that he
00:22:24.860was there and then once we got situated again there's so much security or you're being you
00:22:30.260know asked to sit down etc and and so we sit down and look over and realize that it's him
00:22:35.720and and i would say just a just a cold a very cold feeling came over me just a very
00:22:42.080just I just felt very cold and uh like a like that sense of of cold running up and down your
00:22:53.700spine and the hairs on the back of your neck go up and glad I had my rosary in that moment
00:23:00.400and I look over and I see Erica and I see the parents and you know and and they were there
00:23:07.660they were, they were strong. They had grace. They did not flinch. And they sat down and
00:23:16.420were had very stern looks on their faces. And it was very obvious that they wanted to see justice
00:23:22.360done for what happened to their son and husband. The reports were that he was seen laughing with
00:23:32.240counsel that Erica burst out into tears before the proceeding began, but that he, Tyler Robinson,
00:23:37.320was seen at various points laughing at counsel table with his lawyers prior to things getting
00:23:43.740underway. Did you see any of that, Jack? I did, as a matter of fact. And it's something that I
00:23:49.300noted when it happened. Like I said, there's no discussion in the courtroom. So I didn't even know
00:23:55.560if anyone else had noticed it. And I didn't realize that it had kind of taken on a life
00:24:00.540of its own. I later found out that, you know, obviously it was being reported and had gone
00:24:04.100quite viral but in that moment it was just something that i know they're looking over saying
00:24:08.220charlie's wife and his mother are here and they're in tears and you're just gonna act like that
00:24:16.800like even even if you're you know presumption of innocence okay sure but you know that these
00:24:22.940people lost somebody and you know that there's a human element to this and a human toll and don't
00:24:27.520you think just maybe have a little bit of respect and basic human decency towards someone else and
00:24:36.920I got pretty angry when I saw that I'll just say that I got I didn't sit well with me
00:24:42.780yes it makes me feel that he's a true sociopath you read those text messages you know which the
00:24:50.720police say are his where he says oh it turns out grandpa's rifle really got it done you know it's
00:24:56.640it works great after he knows he's he's nearly blown our friend's head off he knows that he has
00:25:04.780two little children he knows he has a wife who loves him and then when confronted with the family
00:25:09.240member members whom he's devastated he has the gall to yuck it up in front of them with his
00:25:18.440lawyers there's something completely inhuman about this behavior i i couldn't agree more it's it's
00:25:25.560inhuman behavior it's on human behavior and you know i i was surprised too that no you know
00:25:34.140recognition of his own family that's that's been there in the room his mother and father
00:25:40.000and you know what we know that's come out is that uh it seemed like they did not have a
00:25:47.260particularly close relationship i think he'd essentially been kind of thrown out of the house
00:25:52.080because of the lifestyle and that's been in some of the reporting and i'm sure we'll get more of
00:25:57.060that when uh when twigs's testimony comes up which we expect to come up either today or tomorrow
00:26:02.360and um but that being said they're still they are there they have been there every single day and
00:26:08.980you'd think that on some level if your own mother was in a courtroom there for you right regardless
00:26:16.840of what you did you know that your mother's there for you because that's a mother's love and you
00:26:21.120don't even turn around to your own mother i just i i can't i can't square that that's just it's
00:26:29.000something that's so beyond my experience because you know even at any time in my life where i've
00:26:34.360you know faltered or made a mistake or anything my mother's always been there for me and i'll tell
00:26:41.200you what there's the you know you say what you know the media is going to say what they say but
00:26:44.920the one person that I never, ever want to disappoint is my mother. It's surprising when
00:26:51.780you think of even Brian Kohlberger, who murdered four University of Idaho students in cold blood,
00:26:59.640I mean, hacked them to death with a knife, was communicating with his family in the courtroom,
00:27:05.260was sort of doing loving gestures back and forth to them, was in regular contact with his mom and
00:27:11.100dad via phone, you know, right after the murders, he called and had a very lengthy call with his
00:27:17.200mom, like was managed to maintain a relationship, in other words, with the people who raised him
00:27:22.720and who actually did show up in court for him. And this guy, yeah. And this guy, nothing. So,
00:27:29.740I mean, it's, it's somewhat eerie. It's eerie. It's hard to understand. All I can think of right
00:27:34.500now, Jack, is that video that we saw of, of Tyler Robinson, when this first came out of
00:27:39.000him finding out that he got into a university and he got some sort of a scholarship and his mom
00:27:44.080filmed it in the way parents do sometimes when their kids get their letters from colleges.
00:27:49.960And it was like this, she was so celebratory of him. He seemed off. I'm going to say he seemed
00:27:54.620maybe like he was on the spectrum or something. His response sounded weird. The tonality of it
00:27:59.900seemed off to me, but she seemed like a loving parent to him in this video. We'll pull it over.
00:28:04.680We played it months ago. And it's so it's so shocking to me that there there's nothing.
00:28:09.900No. You've seen no acknowledgement on his part. No.
00:28:13.200You know, sometimes they do like hearts to each other.
00:28:15.320We've seen criminal defendants do that. Nothing.
00:28:18.080I haven't seen a single moment where he's acknowledged his family.
00:28:24.280And, you know, maybe that's something that they didn't in other hearings.
00:28:29.200I don't know. But even in this one, you would think that this is such a key moment.
00:28:35.540The evidence is now being unveiled for the first time. And it's hard. It's very hard.
00:28:41.000There was one moment where I believe it was Agent Hull came out and, you know, he sort of did that, you know, infamous line where he said, you know, do you see that suspect in the room today?
00:28:55.620And, you know, he gestured to the defendant. He said, yes, he's right there. It's Tyler Robinson. And then they, they, you know, make that for the record. And that was, I mean, it was just a, you could feel the shockwave, the emotional shockwave hit the entire gallery.
00:29:09.920and the the weight of that moment uh hit all of us in in the room there's no question and people
00:29:17.000were breaking down in tears and just no response no reaction no turnaround to see what people were
00:29:26.340doing um nothing and and i would include as well when the videos were played when the when the the
00:29:33.260the videos were played too the graphic videos nothing we have that moment such as it is our
00:29:39.540angle of it here in SOC 22. For the benefit of the record and for thoroughness, if you wish to
00:29:47.120re-ask that question, you certainly, well, we can see what happens.
00:29:53.780If I could judge, I'd like to. Would you please point him out and identify something that he is
00:30:00.320wearing? Yeah, I believe that Mr. Robinson is between Ms. Nestor and other counsel wearing a
00:30:06.080gray suit, a jacket with a dark tie, and a light-colored shirt.
00:30:10.340I would ask that the record reflect that Agent Hull has identified the defendant.
00:30:17.020I have no objection. I mean, I've made my objection already.
00:30:22.420All right. For the purposes of this hearing, I find that Agent Hull has identified Mr. Robinson.
00:30:28.600Again, this is only for the preliminary hearing.
00:30:31.480i mean it is something to thank god we have because i think about the nancy guthrie case
00:30:39.120where this poor woman's been stolen and you know is presumed dead at this point and we have no
00:30:45.440idea who took her there's not a person to point at there's no this family's gonna have to live
00:30:49.760likely possibly at least forever more without knowing at least this man thanks to the parents
00:30:55.440as you point out, is in police custody, is facing justice. Whether you think he did it or he didn't,
00:31:02.020he's getting his due process, and the jury will be the final arbiters of his guilt or innocence.
00:31:07.680But thank God, thank God his parents, when they recognized him from the tape, they called their
00:31:13.180son, they demanded to see pictures of the rifle to see if it was still in his custody, which it
00:31:17.120wasn't. He claimed he'd been home sick that day and the day before, which the mother didn't believe.
00:31:21.940and then they talked to him directly about whether he had killed Charlie Kirk and he told them he
00:31:28.160wanted to kill himself there was obviously a bargain a bargaining going on between them they
00:31:33.180called that family friend who was a former sheriff's deputy that man came over and what the
00:31:39.780parents reported was that he convinced Tyler Robinson to turn himself in and to to do it at
00:31:45.520the police station so that the police didn't have to search his parents home you know he pitched it
00:31:50.160to him as a way of protecting his family. This would be the honorable thing to do. And he did.
00:31:55.520And there's been testimony in this trial, Jack, that they did not know who the perpetrator was
00:31:59.860before Tyler Robinson contacted them and turned himself in, that he was the one who first made
00:32:04.680himself identifiable to them. Let's talk for a minute about the evidence. Has there been a
00:32:11.180moment in the court that you've found especially compelling one way or the other? Well, I think
00:32:17.440it's more of the process of the evidence that, you know, it, and they're, they're going through
00:32:23.000it in a very methodical, but very relentless manner where they walk you through. So we started
00:32:29.740with the, and you can see what they're doing chronologically speaking, where first they start
00:32:34.740with the officer who was working that day. He was on top of the hall of flags. He reported what he
00:32:40.720saw. Then they worked through the evidence from his perspective. Then they brought up the case
00:32:44.900agent now they're getting into the investigation of the cameras and what the cameras see and the
00:32:51.220cameras saw these objects okay these objects were later found what was found on those objects okay
00:32:56.260dna with the dna matched and were there exclusions and then so we're going through all of that and
00:33:01.300it it's laborious it's it's grueling while you're especially when you're you know hearing this this
00:33:07.200two and a half hour argument over whether or not dna science is real like this filibuster that
00:33:12.220happened yesterday but when you actually just look at the the nuggets of evidence again and again
00:33:18.280and again they're building their case and they are building the scaffolding of a very very strong case
00:33:25.720against tyler robinson uh one thing that just kind of popped in my head and i know everyone keeps
00:33:31.460asking about this you know the the chick-fil-a um uh and and agent hole brought up that he got
00:33:37.240the Chick-fil-A beforehand. And on one hand, you think, how can someone just eat a Chick-fil-A
00:33:44.820before you go and do something like that? And my gut reaction was revulsion. But then my prior
00:33:53.140intel officer side kicked in. I thought, wait a minute, if he purchased Chick-fil-A, then that's
00:34:00.000something you can corroborate. If he used a card or if he used cash, then you could go to that
00:34:06.200chick-fil-a uh outlet or you could go to the credit card statement and now you can begin the
00:34:11.180process of corroborating is that person that we see on video buying the chick-fil-a at this time
00:34:17.160does that match up to a financial transaction same with the car if he got gas which i assume
00:34:22.640we're going to get very shortly um is you know cell phone metadata it's very clear by the way
00:34:27.620that there was something that agent hull said that we tracked him to that area later in the day and
00:34:33.340And that's where they got that new ring camera footage, or I guess Nest camera footage, of the Challenger driving up in the middle of the night.
00:34:40.640And reading between the lines, it was pretty clear they had checked his phone to be able to know, to ask for that specific house at that specific time.
00:34:48.320So it seems to me that they're building a very multi-layered, multi-tiered case against him in a sense where, you know, you just mentioned Brian Koberger, where it seems like there's a lot more evidence in this case than there was against Koberger because there you didn't have all the video.
00:35:07.660you didn't have the eyewitnesses you didn't have family members and all of these other pieces you
00:35:13.220had uh you had the cell phone you had i think you know uh uh fingerprints you know on some sightings
00:35:19.920of the car that was really it right and and that was that was pretty much it whereas this case
00:35:25.880you've got a lot more to deal with you certainly didn't have an alleged confession and there the
00:35:31.960most damning evidence against skull burger was that knife sheath and his touch dna being found
00:35:36.400on the sheath. But of course, had they gone to trial and there had been nothing else,
00:35:40.080they could have argued he went to the gun store or the knife store and he touched that. How can
00:35:44.140you prove that he was the one holding the knife sheath when the murders were committed? It was
00:35:48.580all the other evidence. And yes, I did notice as they released the longer video of who they say
00:35:55.520is Tyler Robinson coming back to campus with the jeans on now with the newfound limp, which it
00:36:02.280seems very clear. He's got something down the right leg of his pants, um, that it looks like
00:36:06.700there's a cell phone in his pocket. In fact, we froze the frame and have it here where we zoomed
00:36:11.060in on it. To me, it looks like obviously the, the outline of his cell phone. Do we have it? Can we
00:36:15.980put it on the board, please? Um, where it seems obvious that he not only had his cell phone as
00:36:21.500every young person does, but that he was, he was carrying it as he committed the crime, because
00:36:27.320this is him coming back to allegedly commit the crime. This is right before. And so if he had
00:36:32.840that cell phone on him while he committed the crime, then they're going to know a lot from
00:36:36.300that phone. I agree, but I have also heard a theory posited that that might be the buttstock
00:36:45.600of the rifle. And that what you're looking at is, in fact, the buttstock of the rifle. And that's
00:36:54.560why he has that limp because he's got the rifle sort of in between his pants and his shirt and
00:37:00.560that's how he's concealing it but it seems very clear that he's got a cell phone on him somewhere
00:37:05.560and the the car too i mean in the alec murdoch case the car data and i don't know how recent
00:37:14.820his dodge challenger was but you know if you looked at my car right now which is a 2025 or
00:37:21.94024 model, it would tell you everything about me. The car can reveal how fast you went, where you
00:37:27.380went, whether you slowed down, whether you sped up, what buttons you were pressing. They can merge
00:37:33.600it with the cell phone now to see whether you were on the cell phone while you were speeding.
00:37:37.560We've seen that being done in accidents. So both of those two things, neither of which is on the
00:37:42.040evidence list for this hearing because they don't need it. This isn't the full, this isn't the real
00:37:46.100Magilla. This is just, just got to show enough to show he probably did it. So the prosecution's
00:37:51.140not going to show all of their cards, though they're showing a lot. Let's talk about the DNA
00:37:55.900because this made a bunch of headlines yesterday because they found the towel that the gun was
00:38:01.680wrapped in. They found the gun in the woods and they found it wrapped in a towel. And they also
00:38:06.400found a screwdriver on the roof of the Losey building from which they believe the shot was
00:38:11.840fired. And they had, the prosecution had a DNA expert testify about the DNA found on those items.
00:38:21.680And it was revealed for the first time that not only was Tyler Robinson's DNA on those items,
00:38:26.480but so was the DNA of Lance Twiggs, the trans furry roommate who we expected to testify by
00:38:33.120videotape again, either later today, they were hoping it would happen yesterday. So I'm hopeful0.90
00:38:37.400it'll happen today. If not, then tomorrow we, we think, um, and people were running with a report
00:38:43.800that it was predominantly Lance twigs DNA on this towel and this screwdriver, which would be
00:38:50.940potentially a game changer in the case. That's not what was testified to here is what was testified
00:38:56.960to setting the record straight on some misinformation that's out there. Watch.
00:39:01.700You stated, I believe that the minor sample, the minor contributor was less than 20%
00:39:06.220and that it was actually 5% and the ratio was 5% to 95%?
01:04:13.040This is a horrible environment that we are in politically right now where these are the
01:04:17.720the terms of conversation and these are the things we're talking about. It's an utter tragedy. And
01:04:22.540what I find so frustrating, disheartening is I don't know where we go from here. I don't know
01:04:26.680how we get back to where we can just disagree over things without wishing everyone who disagreed0.82
01:04:31.340with us got killed or is dead. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I can't tell you the number of conversations I've
01:04:37.400had over the past year before that too, but especially since Charlie, as the death threats
01:04:41.900have escalated exponentially about fortifying every single area of our lives, every single area,
01:04:48.580any place I go, any place I'm going to be, certainly any place we've announced publicly,
01:04:53.280just in case somebody wants to kill me for my opinions, right? Like that's what we're talking
01:04:58.900about right here. That's what Charlie's issue was. We're not public officials. We haven't run
01:05:03.800for office. We're not elected leaders. I'm not saying that makes it better, but it's not a new
01:05:09.020thought that like a president might be the subject of an assassination attempt. But we're we're
01:05:14.340podcasters. You know, we're we're media. We're journalists. This is so bizarre. So why would
01:05:20.100somebody want to kill you, Sean Davis or you, Saurabh Amari or me, Megan Kelly, for our opinions?
01:05:25.740That's why for our opinions, it's we've crossed over to a truly bizarrely dangerous
01:05:31.000way of living where this is just accepted. And 90% of journalists do not have the resources
01:05:39.600to even employ a security team. Most journalists don't make a lot of money.
01:05:46.360That would be an impossibility to surround themselves with the appropriate team.
01:05:51.020Even Charlie, you know, he had a team because he was with Turning Point, but it's a non-profit,
01:05:54.480you know, it's like there were limits. Even I was mistaken to think that Charlie had a
01:05:58.940bulletproof vest on. Even when I went out and I hosted his show with the Turning Point crew,
01:06:04.120I sat there with them. They were the ones who told me Charlie was not wearing a bulletproof vest.
01:06:07.860He was relying on that team to protect him. And even they couldn't give him presidential level
01:06:13.840protection because he's he was a civilian. You know, he was one of us.
01:06:18.900Yeah, the failure here, which you highlighted, is the fact that I don't think the TPUSA security
01:06:28.040team. Because when you go to a police chief, and you say, hey, like, we're concerned about this
01:06:32.900particular area, and he says, I've got you covered. That's pretty definitive. And as you said,
01:06:40.420Megan, if I were in the shoes of his security team, I would go to bank with that reliably. So
01:06:45.220here's a, you know, a credible police officer saying, don't worry, I've got that. And that
01:06:50.140ends up being the precisely the area from which the assassin operated, I do think. So that's a
01:06:56.400kind of failure of just just the idiocy right uh but there's a long way from that to some of the0.96
01:07:04.880conspiracy theories that were circulated on the hard right where it was like the egyptian and0.97
01:07:10.380israeli governments and all this stuff right like we yeah the the threats that we face um although
01:07:17.300i have to say i don't have a security team but uh are much more banal and it's this kind there's this0.88
01:07:23.120specific type of what I call trans involved, lefty, crazy person. And he, you know, Tyler0.61
01:07:30.700Robinson, the alleged assassin fit that profile. There were others. There was the sort of school
01:07:35.800shooter, Catholic school in Wisconsin. I don't know if you guys remember that case, less,
01:07:39.560less remembered, of course, but yes, that's, that's really the profile. That's really the
01:07:45.980profile. Often there is marijuana leftist. Yeah. Marijuana used a combination of marijuana use
01:07:52.320sort of strange sexual attractions and ideology. And so I think that's a more productive area for
01:08:00.980the right to like talk about than, you know, conspiracy theories, to be honest.
01:08:07.120Well, you know, what I was saying after Charlie died, and I think everyone went a little crazy.
01:08:13.660I just think like watching our friend get assassinated really did a number on many people.
01:08:18.340I just like I haven't felt totally myself since, you know, I feel like I've been a little off since and I can see it in a lot of friends.
01:08:26.860But I think many people reverted to their priors, you know, like people who had been openly fighting with Israel and Israel defenders really wanted to investigate that angle because Charlie was drifting from the Israeli cause, was expressing privately in group chats his consternation with Jewish donors who were leaning on him not to abandon Israel, not to question Israel.
01:08:53.340right so they revert to their priors you know we i think i speak for all three of us have done a lot
01:08:59.560of coverage on this the radical trans tifas out there who have all who start with the screw loose
01:09:07.440and then in some cases add drugs to it or like obsessive gaming which communities can be actually0.64
01:09:13.280disturbing or you have layer in the furry thing which actually is also very sick and we've seen
01:09:19.860that erupt in violence, not to mention SSRIs, which become a common thread in a lot of these.0.96
01:09:24.920And who do they take aim at? People like us, people like Charlie. So it's like, I'm not,
01:09:30.320I'm not surprised at all. You know, I mean, the day after Charlie was murdered, that's exactly
01:09:35.700where I went. I thought it was over the trans stands. And I went on the air and said, just so1.00
01:09:41.740you know, a man cannot become a woman. A woman cannot become a man. There's no such thing as a1.00
01:09:46.460trans child, you know, and said, you can't stop all of us. Like, well, if this is what this is,0.99
01:09:51.420is this is who killed him. You can't stop all of it. I just think people reverted to their priors
01:09:55.980because I don't know, we're just getting used to this leftist violence. And so we see through it
01:10:01.280what what we want to see through it, Sean. Yeah. So I've spent probably, I think, the last 14 years
01:10:07.380in investigative journalism. Before that, I was a chief investigator on the Hill for Tom Coburn,
01:10:13.460who is just a renowned investigator of waste and fraud.
01:10:17.740And there's a thing you learn to do when you're investigating
01:10:21.280is that you always kind of have to start with a hypothesis.
01:10:24.920You have an idea in your head of what happened.
01:10:27.280And then from there, you have to look at all the facts
01:10:41.580And it takes time and wisdom and discernment and experience to notice when the facts don't quite line up to be able to tell yourself, OK, that original hypothesis I had, I don't think that's correct.
01:10:53.900So what is actually able to explain all these known facts?
01:10:57.920What's the thread that runs through all of them?
01:11:00.120And what's the story that aligns with all of them?
01:11:02.800And the one in this one is not Israel or Egypt or helicopters or planes or exploding microphones.0.96
01:11:09.440It's that we have an utter epidemic of transgender terroristic violence in this country.0.97
01:11:15.680This wasn't the first time it happened.1.00
01:11:32.160It is not a big leap to be like, oh, this guy whose DNA is on everything.
01:11:36.720The guy whose text messages were everywhere. The guy who's he's accounted for all over the campus. His parents recognized him. They turned him in. They confessed it. They have all of it in black and white. He was angry over Charlie's belief that boys can't become girls and girls can't become boys.
01:11:55.080this isn't a particularly difficult case. This isn't something where we're having to go plumb
01:12:00.900the depths of the internet and look at this document and that document to figure out what
01:12:04.860going on. The dots basically connect themselves. It's not a revolutionary theory. This is yet
01:12:09.980one more example of left-wing transgender terroristic violence. It has to stop. We have1.00
01:12:15.540to crack down on it. One thing that I've been frustrated by is that we have not seen Antifa
01:12:20.020be dragged from their homes, their bank accounts raided, their assets frozen and liquidated,
01:12:25.260because this is a terrorist movement, is a demonic, violent, terroristic, ideological
01:12:30.840movement that has been very open about its aims. And we can't just sit by and wait for one more to
01:12:36.760happen and then put that person in jail. This is something we actually have to tackle head on.
01:12:41.280I had hoped it would have happened immediately after Charlie was assassinated, and it wasn't,
01:12:45.760But it's never too late to start. And I just want to say, for the record, you you're fine
01:12:51.900criticizing Israel. You have not been some shill for Israel, nor have I. Obviously, this whole year0.53
01:12:57.500has been very tumultuous because I've refused to do that. And I'm with you. I I've I've been
01:13:04.360very open minded to if Israel controlled Tyler Robinson and made him a patsy. What the fuck do1.00
01:13:09.800I know whether our government or another does that to people and uses them? I'm not I'm open0.99
01:13:14.000minded to that. The JFK, there's a big whole theory about that CIA and all that. I get it.
01:13:18.500I totally get it. But at some point when we're in court, we need to see some proof that he was
01:13:23.920controlled, that there was an intervention somehow in his life. Like we do need some evidence. And
01:13:31.020by the way, even if that's somehow lurking out there, we just haven't found it yet.
01:13:36.460Today's task is to figure out whether Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger.
01:13:40.060That is today's task. And the evidence that he did is overwhelming. It's overwhelming. I mean, it's video. It's digital. There are notes. There are pictures. There are email correspondence, text messages.
01:13:53.780There's a witness who's going to take the stand effectively by video, his lover, who
01:13:58.820we believe is going to point the finger squarely at him and talk of his confession.
01:14:02.100His parents, we understand at trial, are going to be forced if they don't volunteer to talk
01:14:06.940about how they were on the receiving end of what has been described as a confession.
01:14:11.060I actually just pulled that file right here because people don't believe that Tyler Robinson
01:14:14.980did confess to his parents and they don't believe that they heard anything from him.
01:14:20.680Here is from the criminal information filed against him.
01:14:23.400As they discussed the situation, his parents with Tyler Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it.
01:14:32.240When asked why he did it, Robinson explained to his parents there is too much evil and that Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate.
01:14:39.560They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who's a retired deputy sheriff at Robinson's father's request.
01:14:48.300the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself
01:14:54.220in. The family friend spoke to police, reported telling Robinson that it would be best if he
01:14:59.500brought all the evidence with him to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to search his
01:15:03.440parents' home. The family friend also asked Robinson if he had any clothes that were related
01:15:08.620to what he did. Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in different areas,
01:15:12.120and then he went in and did exactly that, turned himself in. That is what's been alleged.
01:15:17.680that is where the proof is going to take us if there's more beyond it i await the proof of it
01:15:22.740i mean i i like you i'm a lawyer i want proof i want facts i want admissible evidence that i can
01:15:30.480then consider as a juror and that's what i've been doing over the course of this preliminary hearing
01:15:35.500and it's taking me in one direction right now and that is that this is the trigger man
01:15:39.160they have the right person okay let's keep going the graham platner implosion his has been nothing
01:15:46.780short of epic, epic Saurabh. I mean, this guy, he had red flags all over him from the beginning.
01:15:55.400And I get why the Democrats wanted to look past them. You know, he's they finally found somebody
01:15:59.900who seemed like a real man, like not like the Tim Walz fake man with the camo, you know, like
01:16:05.600man's man. And they thought, OK, this is this is it. This is what the right wing has been saying
01:16:10.400we need to do if we want to win in places like Maine. And they just had willful blindness about
01:16:15.960the fact that it should be somebody who can wear camo credibly, but also doesn't have 25 other
01:16:23.340problematic allegations around him. And only when they had a leftist come out and say, I love his
01:16:29.780politics. My my adherence to them is the reason it took me this long to come out and tell the world
01:16:36.680he allegedly raped me. Did they finally jump ship? And we are now hearing as we are sit here at 1
01:16:42.52023 p.m. Eastern, that it's a matter of moments before we get the pre-taped video from Graham
01:16:47.320Plattner dropping out of this Senate race. So what do you make of how we got here and where we are?
01:16:53.320So I have two thoughts. The first is that, look, after a while, as you said, Megan,
01:16:59.900once the allegations and different red flags start to pile up, the totality of them becomes hard
01:17:07.000to resist right in terms of how to deal with with this right so like if it were just this
01:17:13.340allegation if it were just the other one if it were just the the kind of questionable tattoo if
01:17:19.380it were just uh um the fact that he described himself as a communist on on reddit forums if0.79
01:17:26.720it were just the fact that he said that he likes he likes to think of himself as raping you know0.51
01:17:32.280home intruders not to enjoy it but as an act of dominance like any one of those things that you
01:17:37.500could sort of contextualize and deal with but the totality uh you know makes it you begin to think
01:17:43.120look this is this is the higher chamber of our legislative branch and it could be a problem
01:17:49.240could be a problem um that said i will say i'm as i when we discussed it the last time i was on with
01:17:56.060Sean and Plattner was on the agenda. I am deeply troubled by the larger sort of sexual culture of
01:18:03.800which I would argue both he and his partners are victims in various ways, where there are no guard
01:18:10.720rails except after the fact accusations that are very hard to refute. There was no police report
01:18:17.700at the time. I think it's worth watching Mika Brzezinski's questioning on Morning Joe of the
01:18:23.840political reporter. She does a very forensic job. And yes, lots of people said that they wish she
01:18:29.160had done the same thing with Christine Blasey Ford. And that's a fair point. Nevertheless,
01:18:33.640it's worth watching because it's a it's a rare case where she like puts on her journalist hat
01:18:38.640and becomes very aggressive and questioning. And it's worth watching that because even this set
01:18:43.800of allegations, it look, it's bad, but it's not it. There are issues. You know, there's there's
01:18:50.160talk of Instagram messages in which she reportedly confronted him, the new accuser, or the more
01:18:58.000recent one, about his behavior that night. And then the journalist is pressed, like, did you
01:19:04.400see these? And the journalist says, no, she couldn't find a record of them.
01:19:11.960Right. Again, perfectly plausible. But, you know, when you're talking about an allegation
01:19:18.920that can not only derail someone's campaign, but essentially ruin their life, I think the
01:19:24.200evidentiary standard has to be high. And so I have my discomfort with the kind of larger sexual and
01:19:31.320sort of evidentiary culture that's leading to this. However, to go back to my initial point,
01:19:36.660again, if it were just the one thing, I would be a Bram Plattner bitter ender. But because it's not,
01:19:43.480And because there are so many other character red flags and this is the United States Senate, you know, I think I think his candidacy becomes unsustainable.
01:19:54.560I got you. I totally understand. I think you're in a very reasonable place.
01:19:59.020I mean, I confess that. I saw Lindsay Fifield, who is the woman who they did feature, who the three of us discussed when this hit in The New York Times.
01:20:07.660She's a conservative and she dated Graham Plattner.
01:20:10.080Obviously, you know, her politics didn't make her not want to date him.
01:20:13.820So clearly they're not making her want to sink him now.
01:20:17.300But many of the critics of that New York Times article that first espoused some of his female0.94
01:20:22.120problems went out, dismissed her because she's a conservative.1.00
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01:35:34.520and they're vicious violent people and if they had a nuclear weapon they'd use it as far as i'm0.98
01:35:41.720concerned it's over i'll speak to our negotiators they want to negotiate they're good people
01:35:46.260steve whitkoff jared kushner but they have to come back to me as far as i'm concerned it's
01:35:52.560just a waste of time dealing with them they're liars we make a deal and they what if i make a
01:35:58.660deal with him we have a deal and he goes out he talks we make a deal everyone's agreed no nuclear
01:36:03.520weapon. We make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press. They say, we never even talked about
01:36:08.440it. There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over.
01:36:16.300President Trump on Iran and the ceasefire, as you heard, now being over. Basically,
01:36:22.540what happened was, you know, the strait was supposed to be open. They bombed three ships
01:36:26.640in the Strait of Hormuz because they didn't like the route it was taking closer to Amman. I don't,
01:36:30.840Who cares? They bombed three ships. Trump got pissed. He dropped bombs on them. Then they dropped
01:36:36.400bombs as they had been during the war on our military bases in Bahrain and Kuwait. And now
01:36:43.960Trump's angry. And you heard him there saying they're cuckoo. They're crazy. I can't deal with
01:36:49.760these people. The ceasefire is over and there may be more bombs coming their way now, which is not
01:36:54.820great. And I'm back to are we are we back in the escalation trap, Sean Davis? Like, where does this
01:37:01.740go? Because this is this is really not great. And our pals are more neocon hawkish pals over on Fox
01:37:07.460and people at CNN, too, are, I mean, salivating this morning. They're so excited that this thing
01:37:12.480may be getting rejiggered back into action. Yeah. Wow. They are cuckoo for Cocoa Pops.
01:37:19.840Um, it's the whole situation is good. Thank you. Is it's just kind of absurd. But I don't think
01:37:26.980we are on this permanent escalation ladder is the foreign policy dorks might say, because Iran can't0.98
01:37:35.220really escalate beyond taking potshots. I'm also not even sure that the people who he was negotiating
01:37:43.120with may even be aware of it. Like, I don't think we have a good, full understanding of command and
01:37:48.560control over there. We killed so many of their leaders. Was this a directive from the central0.93
01:37:53.740government? Are these people factions within the Iranian military who just want the war to go on
01:37:59.540because it strengthens their hand? I have no idea. But this is kind of like the maximum of what Iran
01:38:04.980is able to do. And I think it's especially interesting. Why do you say that? Why can't0.98
01:38:09.340they just close the strait again like they did before and put us back into that same economic
01:38:14.340pain that led us to want to deal in the first place. They may be able to try that. But what's
01:38:19.160interesting here, I think, is where Trump is and what he's doing this week. So he is in Turkey.
01:38:24.280He's meeting with NATO. The Strait of Hormuz is not something that's particularly essential
01:38:29.740for America. We don't get most of our oil through there, but Europe does. And NATO exists to protect
01:38:36.380Europe. It doesn't really exist to protect the United States. And so the fact that this is kind
01:38:40.540bubbling up now, it strikes me as a largely European problem that this is a problem that
01:38:46.700NATO and Europe are going to need to cause it, but they have to fix it. I honestly, I'm fine
01:38:51.460with that. I got to be honest. I it's like the Pottery Barn thing. Like I went in, I handled
01:38:57.120stuff. I broke the stuff. If I got out of the store and I'm already on the subway home,
01:39:01.980does it have to be my problem? I kind of share that view. I've got to be honest, like,
01:39:07.360sorry, we broke it, but we did actually bomb a lot of things in there that will wind up
01:39:12.240potentially protecting Europe in some way. I guess so, Rob, is the argument. I don't know.
01:39:15.820What do you think of all this? I think the Iranians are overplaying a good hand, right?1.00
01:39:20.640They had this capacity, which they didn't even weren't fully aware of it, which is to1.00
01:39:25.820choke this global energy point. Unfortunately, because commodity markets are global
01:39:30.700and they're sort of oil is fungible. If you squeeze supply at one point, you do get pain
01:39:36.560and the American consumer as well as actually is reflected in inflation numbers here and at the gas prices during the kind of peak of the war.
01:39:45.220But be that as it may, like they recognize they have this capacity, but they're now overplaying their hand.
01:39:51.660They want full control over the Strait of Hormuz. And, you know, the memorandum of understanding does allow them to have a say over it.
01:39:59.580But if there are disputes, there are supposed to be mechanisms for resolving it that don't involve just firing at civilian ships and asking questions later.
01:40:10.220You know, I joined the vice president as a reporter on his negotiations in Switzerland, and he touted this kind of communication link that was supposed to emerge between the United States and Iran so that they could de-escalate things.
01:40:23.400And I think Vance is right here. He says he has tweeted since then, like they know they can pick up a phone if they have an issue. There is a negotiating table and we can resolve it. So this kind of behavior where you just fire at random civilian ships, it's unjust. It's irresponsible.
01:40:41.580And ultimately, you know, what the United States can do, I don't think we'll ever return to a big escalatory war ever again.
01:40:49.020I mean, or I shouldn't say ever, but it seems unlikely.
01:40:52.120There's very little appetite for it from the president on down.
01:40:55.020But what the U.S. can just reimpose its blockade and just squeeze Iran at a distance without getting into the sort of firing, you know, full on war.0.51
01:41:09.840Although Trump did say we are going to be hitting them again tonight and the U.S. is clawing back its oil sanctions waivers that we offered to them as part of this deal, which you would expect.
01:41:20.640Like that's we said all along, if you behave badly, we're going to take back some of the relief that we're about to give you.
01:41:26.220Yeah, that's like skirmishes or taking pot. It's not quite the same as a as a full war.
01:41:31.180So, again, I think the blame here lies mostly with the Iranian regime and the fact that, again, there was a whole mechanism set up so that if you have complaints about how the memorandum is being implemented or how it should be implemented, we're across the table from each other and we talk.
01:41:49.940So, you know, if the United States can impose a great deal of pain on Iran without without it really being full on war.0.58
01:41:59.380So if they want to go down this route, let them and they're going to feel the pain.0.62
01:42:04.240If you have complaints, please press one pound.
01:42:08.260Don't blow up the phone line entirely.
01:42:10.600There are other methods to take care of these problems.
01:42:13.500All right. Before we go, I've got to show you Sonny Hostin of The View.
01:42:16.040It was the big Fourth of July celebration.
01:42:17.700vibration. I'm sure you guys had a great time with your family, as did we. And this is what
01:42:22.160Sonny Hostin's thinking about these days. And with an American flag on that cap, you might as
01:42:27.720well have a hood on. You might as well have a hood on because that's what it looks like. That's what
01:42:31.180it feels like. But you say this is the best nation. It's the best nation for who? Yeah,
01:42:36.700when you say it's the best nation, the best nation for who? Because if we are celebrating
01:42:40.880250 years, what are we exactly celebrating is what I want to know. And so I'm really glad that
01:42:45.820picture was taken because that picture is how we feel walking into many rooms down the street that
01:42:51.540picture is how we feel and nobody will believe us so look at that picture and understand how it
01:42:57.140feels you never should be made to feel like that it's wrong and i said this on this show many many
01:43:02.660years ago because this is my 10th year on the show and i said there are times when i walk into a
01:43:06.960community and i see um american flags all over the community and i suddenly feel unsafe because
01:43:14.180there is a section of this country that has co-opted the american flag and they equate uh
01:43:19.940being an american or an american flag with white supremacy and that should never be ever the symbol
01:43:26.400of white supremacy but they have weaponized shut up all right sean you want to take that in a minute
01:43:33.920we have left yeah we actually have a rule in our hoa that every house has to have a flag to make
01:43:38.980sure Sonny Hostin doesn't show up. You know, we do it for our protection. Everyone. Everyone's
01:43:44.480good. You have to have at least three. You got to have one in the backyard on the mailbox and
01:43:48.560in the front of the house because you can't be too sure these days. She might just show up.
01:43:52.800She's she lives in a palace. This woman is one of the richest women in America.1.00
01:43:57.760And yet she's still she's going to be targeted. This is her home. She's going to be targeted
01:44:01.900just because of the color of her skin, because you can see how unfair America has been to her.