The Megyn Kelly Show - The TRUTH About Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, Potential CBS Lawsuit, and Russini Scandal, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 1313

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:16.780 We are learning that Blake Lively's settlement with Justin Baldoni was an even bigger disaster for the actress than we thought.

00:00:24.180 we have the details. Plus, a top CBS host is reportedly out at the network and is, we are told,

00:00:32.540 getting ready to sue and fight the new Barry Weiss regime. Plus, Don Lemon says he might run for

00:00:40.780 president. Could we be that lucky? Joining me now to react to this and so much more here in the Red

00:00:47.260 Studio is Maureen Callahan. She's host of The Nerve, which you can find right here on the MK

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00:02:16.380 It's so good to see you. There's been so much happening and I've been like, I'm dying to talk

00:02:21.320 to Megan. I know. I feel like let's start with a Met Gala because we both reacted to it, but we

00:02:26.560 haven't talked to each other about it. And we have to start with Blake Lively because she's pretending

00:02:31.800 that she got a massive victory in this settlement with Justin Baldoni this week when it's exactly 0.90

00:02:36.960 the opposite. She didn't get $1. Now she's making noise about wanting to sue for her attorney's

00:02:43.880 So we'll see how that goes for her. But honestly, even if she were to get those, it would just restore what she spent. It's not a victory. It's not a win. It's not damages. Right. That she's getting for being allegedly wronged as she's been claiming for all this time. 0.68

00:03:02.060 So the day of the settlement, she thought that she would appear at the Met Gala and it would be her triumphant, you know, spike the ball moment, Maureen. 0.92

00:03:12.300 And instead, she humiliated herself by snapping out this poor male valet who is fluffing the train of her dress and let the mask down yet again on what a nasty person she is. 0.95

00:03:27.340 Plus, there's more.

00:03:28.400 But before I get to the sound we're going to play, you tell me your thoughts on that.

00:03:31.260 It feels very Markle-Vellian would be my portmanteau for this.

00:03:37.580 Machiavellian, Meghan Markle-esque, right?

00:03:40.420 Because it makes me think of that moment.

00:03:42.240 Remember after the Queen died and Harry and Meghan did that very strained walkabout with William and Catherine?

00:03:48.260 And Meghan was receiving a bouquet of flowers from a regular British citizen and a mail handler came around to take them and she turned and she snapped at that guy.

00:04:00.300 She was like, you're doing it wrong.

00:04:01.800 It's like, that's it.

00:04:02.840 It's like, oh, you're trying to help me at like $8 an hour.

00:04:06.500 You're doing it wrong.

00:04:08.020 You know, I think that mask, it's very difficult to keep it affixed for a very long time.

00:04:13.220 It's also extremely delusional to think that this is going to be a victory lap.

00:04:17.940 Your husband's not there.

00:04:19.640 He has begun leaking to the press, or at least it seems his camp has.

00:04:23.200 It certainly does.

00:04:23.600 That he's been wanting her to settle.

00:04:25.740 She just won't listen.

00:04:26.880 hey he's just an innocent bystander here which you know he's not uh and um then she gets to the

00:04:33.200 top of the staircase and is interviewed by lala anthony for vogue and she says you know i just i

00:04:39.740 have this little handbag with me and my four children let's watch that that's the latest sound

00:04:44.340 watch this is a judith lever bag and we were trying to find a piece of um famous iconic art

00:04:50.300 to put on and make it look like it was in a frame and then i said would you actually if you're gonna

00:04:54.980 make it custom would you do my kids art so my kids each painted a painting a watercolor painting

00:05:01.820 so each of my four kids did this that is so special so i have them with me because i'm shy

00:05:08.260 too so i just like to like got the kids have my kids with me they're like i probably could have

00:05:12.580 fit them under my dress yeah it's like my little comfort so yeah well i hope you have the best

00:05:17.120 time tonight thank you so much you too oh my god what a farce the last refuge of the scoundrel

00:05:25.780 hiding behind your children not for nothing i mean again this is so this is so let the meat

00:05:30.600 cake like a judith lieber bag retails for about 5k like that clutch is like 5k so and then so

00:05:37.060 she's so wealthy she can deface it with her children's water they're not just painting 1.00

00:05:41.180 Megan with acrylics. We're doing watercolors. We've got little Monet's running around.

00:05:46.740 And it also reminds me, remember when Angie and Brad finally got married, which was like,

00:05:51.580 literally they were like on the way to splitting up, but it was like, let's see if marriage will

00:05:55.100 help this. Yeah, sure. It always does. That and having a kid. Exactly. And then they released

00:05:58.900 the photos to people and Angie's wedding dress had been defaced with the scrawls of her children.

00:06:05.100 Do you remember that? We haven't. Debbie's way ahead of us. She's got it. Let's see.

00:06:09.360 she knew it okay keep going so you can see it's like it's those are the the scrawlings of like

00:06:17.060 the child army on her yeah yeah oh my gosh i don't think i've ever seen that before

00:06:23.960 oh yes okay so you know it's been done before like there's nothing original and so blake would

00:06:30.860 also have us believe she's just very shy that was crazy in this tool confection that has taken up

00:06:37.400 the entire Met Gala steps.

00:06:40.400 I mean, I refer to it as like 0.99

00:06:41.480 her territorially pissing 1.00

00:06:42.900 all over the Met Gala. 0.97

00:06:43.840 This is mine now.

00:06:45.000 Only me.

00:06:46.040 As I am the victor.

00:06:47.280 To the victor go the spoils,

00:06:48.680 you know, at this horrible event.

00:06:50.800 I called it like the convention

00:06:52.240 for the worst people in the world.

00:06:53.660 It was.

00:06:54.200 It was truly like,

00:06:55.260 I mean, we can go down the list

00:06:56.200 and will.

00:06:58.260 But that acting

00:07:00.360 at the top of the staircase

00:07:01.660 of I'm shy

00:07:03.480 and also the over-the-top

00:07:05.720 saccharine sweet voice with the reporter. It's an obvious compensation for the nastiness

00:07:13.280 toward Kirstie from Norway, who she ripped on her non-existent baby bump and the nerve of her 0.99

00:07:20.060 having to ask about fashion, which is something Blake talks about incessantly and is obsessed

00:07:25.700 with. I mean, every time I see her, she's got another Birkin bag. Like this woman's obsessed

00:07:30.400 with her handbags and her rich spending on her wardrobe. But God forbid you actually just 1.00

00:07:35.600 loosen the mood a little, lighten it by asking her about it, you'll get shamed like this poor 0.92

00:07:40.220 Kirstie did. And so the acting at the top of the staircase was pathetic. It was stomach turning to 0.99

00:07:46.720 watch her. I'm shy. Like the, let's go back to the text exchange between, is it in here? Hold

00:07:54.680 on a second. Between her and Taylor Swift after, like during the whole heat of that

00:08:01.940 controversy, right? Where she was ripping on poor Justin Baldoni. No, it's not in the main packet. 0.77

00:08:09.400 Oh, you're reading my mind with this. That's exactly where I went to.

00:08:13.140 She's so nasty. Hold on a second. I got to get it. Cause like if when you read the actual text 1.00

00:08:18.240 exchange, yeah, here it is. It was in both of these, I guess. Oh no. You know, you know where

00:08:22.880 I was, why I'm not pulling it up in my packet. It is in my packet because it was from the Maureen

00:08:25.960 Callahan piece, which is so good. Oh, thank you. Yeah. On the Daily Mail. I love your writing and

00:08:30.200 i love your show as you know thank you and you too um yes you pointed out in your latest piece

00:08:35.160 on the daily mail which everybody should read it's called blake lively is truly the worst

00:08:38.100 of the worst in hollywood entitled delusional utterly loathsome and here's proof okay you

00:08:43.540 point out that she writes when she had her secret meeting up in their uh penthouse hers and ryan

00:08:49.660 reynolds with poor justin baldoni while they tried to steal his movie from him and steal the

00:08:53.640 screenwriting from him, that she texted Taylor Swift before the meeting, asking Swift to say 0.60

00:09:00.440 that Swift was freaking out over a script rewrite that Blake Lively had done. And then she writes

00:09:06.640 to Swift, having the greatest living storyteller unknowingly echo to him how much you love what

00:09:12.920 we're doing, giving him credit as if he wrote them with me, will go such a long way. Swift,

00:09:19.640 I'll do anything for you. You write after the meeting, Lively texted Swift. You were so epically heroic today. This clown falling for all of it, but also resisting it. You are the world's absolute greatest friend ever. I won the lottery. Swift, I won the lottery. You are the coolest person in the world, and you like me.

00:09:42.700 maureen summation again these people are awful it is it is awful the setup this the self-celebration

00:09:51.080 the disgusting narcissism of both of them right and it didn't end well for blake lively even in 0.53

00:09:57.840 that relationship either no that relationship is done um i have read i think very reliable

00:10:05.500 reporting that blake thinks that she can salvage this relationship with taylor and that she can

00:10:10.260 potentially get an invite to that wedding, which is taking place in New York City, which is where

00:10:15.160 Blake and Ryan have their four or $5.7 million Tribeca loft. Yeah. So if she's a massive estate,

00:10:22.740 it's either in Bedford or Northern Connecticut. Yeah, exactly. I mean, they have so much money

00:10:27.220 and Taylor Swift, a self-made billionaire, and this is how they're talking to each other,

00:10:32.020 how they're throwing their weight around, but also like the disgusting kind of like

00:10:37.660 over the top effusiveness about how amazing each of them are to each other. It's like that.

00:10:44.940 They're so, I just feel like they're so arrested. Like it feels very junior high. Yeah. You know,

00:10:49.980 it's very, it's, it's, it's just, it's, it makes, it's like, it's uncomfortable to read.

00:10:53.940 You point this out. I actually didn't know that you, you report, you say reports are that lively

00:10:58.680 who named Swift godmother to three of her four children with Reynolds is not even on the guest

00:11:06.180 list for swift summer wedding wedding in new york so she's not even going to make the guest

00:11:10.760 list and she's named taylor godmother to three of her four children i'm sorry but that's weird 0.90

00:11:15.900 i agree all three that's star fucking that's what that is uh-huh right like i'm gonna get 0.93

00:11:22.140 the most famous woman i know and i'm gonna make her be tied to my family forever by giving her 0.94

00:11:27.440 this honored role i mean most people go with family for those things i mean you might go

00:11:32.800 with somebody who you're really close with for God. Sure. But three out of the four, because you

00:11:38.140 have no other friends other than this friend with whom you obviously just have a surface level

00:11:42.680 relationship because it ended over these texts in the Baldoni case. Right. I mean, if you're

00:11:50.640 really, really friends with somebody, you're there with them for the really difficult stuff 1.00

00:11:54.660 and you take culpability for your bullshit. But Taylor can't do that because it's a ding to her 0.99

00:11:59.020 image. Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't know how they got her out of being deposed. Do you remember 1.00

00:12:04.100 that? I know how. How? Because she didn't want anything to do with this case. Right. Quite

00:12:09.700 clearly. And I think they basically struck a deal where they said, give us the texts and we'll leave

00:12:16.400 you alone. Oh, and this is, you know, allegedly reportedly Maureen. But yeah, they they didn't

00:12:22.880 want to harass Taylor, but they did want to see those text messages and they got them. And I think

00:12:28.040 she was very unhappy with the way that Blake was writing about her and talking about her

00:12:33.120 and actually threatening that she might be a part of this lawsuit. Like I, I, I think she was

00:12:38.520 irritated that her name was thrown around so loosely by her dear, dear friend and mother of

00:12:43.880 her godchildren, Blake Lively. You know what this reminds me of too, when you were saying how star

00:12:49.320 fucky it is to name Taylor God mother to three of the four children. Um, Megan Markle, uh, naming 0.83

00:12:57.840 Tyler Perry, godfather to Archie, right?

00:13:01.380 They don't even know him.

00:13:02.420 They don't even know him.

00:13:03.720 They don't know him.

00:13:04.480 He was like a fan who felt bad for her because he obviously just took her side probably because

00:13:09.920 of the race issue and gave her a place to stay when they fled the horrors of Buckingham

00:13:16.680 Palace to Montecito.

00:13:21.120 And she made him the godfather to her child. 0.97

00:13:25.360 What the hell? 0.55

00:13:26.680 Like, they didn't even know him. 0.95

00:13:27.840 And to your point, they didn't know him.

00:13:29.920 And now he's facing major lawsuits from men who are accusing him of sexual harassment and or worse.

00:13:38.080 So know who you are naming the godfather of your children.

00:13:42.840 It's the kind of thing you would know if you actually knew the person as opposed to just he's rich and he's famous.

00:13:50.920 And I want my very famous son to be connected to this famous man.

00:13:55.500 here he was uh right around the time tyler perry on being named the godfather it's not 10 this is

00:14:01.820 from i think we'll call and we'll chat we'll talk about silly things and they were pretty serious

00:14:06.040 on the phone i go okay what's going on i said well we'd like for you to be lily's godfather i go

00:14:11.440 well i'd take a minute to take that in and right because we each other i'd be honored

00:14:19.220 i'd absolutely be honored and i got off the phone took it all and then i called him back i go uh

00:14:25.480 hold on a second. Does this mean we got to go over there and do all of that in the church with

00:14:32.120 them and figure all that out? Because I don't want to do that. Maybe we can do a little private

00:14:35.920 ceremony here and let that be that. And if you have to do it there, then it's okay.

00:14:41.700 He knew. He knew what they were doing. It's overly familiar. It's an inappropriate boundary

00:14:47.540 crossing. He's also though saying there, I think he's completely out of line saying,

00:14:52.540 does this mean, if you want me to be the godfather, do I have to go over there to England,

00:15:00.380 to the royals, to the palace, to the Church of England with them, which is very disrespectful.

00:15:07.280 It's a depersonalization of the royals. He's basically saying, I'm all in with Meghan's

00:15:12.100 version of events, which is that they're horribly racist. And not only that, Meghan and Harry

00:15:17.360 rubber stamped him saying this in the Netflix doc. Oh, yeah. Well, they themselves in their

00:15:22.660 Netflix doc said the whole country that voted for Brexit was racist. I mean, that is what they say

00:15:27.680 in that piece, that their countrymen are racist if they wanted Brexit. They wanted that for

00:15:33.860 England to leave the UK. So why wouldn't they put him on display? So Blake Lively now is back

00:15:39.920 threatening. No sooner did she declare victory in this lawsuit, which is just such a blatant lie.

00:15:44.700 Trust me. I mean, like, I, of course, am dear friends with Brian, but Justin's lawyer, but separate and apart from that friendship as a lawyer, I'm much more interested in getting things right than I am in being loyal to my friends when I do my commentary on the show.

00:16:00.000 And there is no question that this is a resounding victory for Team Baldoni. She was suing him for four hundred million dollars, Maureen. And to make a point for all women, she did neither.

00:16:14.700 She emerged as the villain and didn't get one red cent. 1.00

00:16:18.020 And even now she's going to push for her legal fees. 1.00

00:16:20.600 At best, she gets made whole on her legal expenses, but not on any damages caused by

00:16:26.960 sexual harassment or retaliation or all the terrible damages she claims she lost on her

00:16:31.660 brands like her liquor company because she was made a villain by herself.

00:16:37.660 So you tell me whether she was in any way a victor here.

00:16:42.120 I don't I would you would have to be in that mind to try to understand it I think it's probably an

00:16:48.460 outgrowth of what I perceive to be just my opinion malignant narcissism they are never wrong if you

00:16:54.540 are a malignant narcissist you are never wrong it's everybody else's fault people just don't

00:17:00.220 understand and you know as you and I were talking about I think the last time I was here with you

00:17:04.840 my main problem with this is the incalculable damage that Blake Lively has done to every

00:17:11.760 other woman, especially in her Hollywood sphere, who wants to come forward with legitimate claims

00:17:18.140 of sexual harassment or worse. Now it's going to be much harder to be believed. And it's no 0.93

00:17:24.040 accident that Justin Baldoni and his wife, who live in Nashville, where paparazzi are not just

00:17:30.060 roaming the streets, were photographed holding hands, smiling in multiple public locations.

00:17:36.140 That is Justin, I believe, telling us, the public, that he regards himself, he and his wife regard themselves as the true victors.

00:17:44.140 And I think that's the right answer here.

00:17:46.780 There is not a defendant on earth being sued for $400 million, given the chance to walk away with a settlement agreement paying nothing, who would not consider himself the victor, not a person on earth.

00:18:00.920 She reportedly is the one who is desperate to settle.

00:18:04.720 Brian Friedman actually gave an interview to TMZ saying that she was panicked because she didn't

00:18:11.460 want to have to be cross-examined. Because when you are on the stand, Maureen, it's not like being

00:18:16.460 at the top of the Met Gala stairs where you can say whatever the fuck you want to, true or not, 0.95

00:18:22.640 you have taken an oath to tell the truth and you are subjected to potential perjury charges 0.64

00:18:27.700 if you don't. So it's a very different situation when you are under the withering cross-examination

00:18:33.300 of an experienced and very clever trial attorney like Brian Friedman on the stand in front of a

00:18:39.540 jury than it is like when you're across from Kijersti from Norway, right? And she knew the

00:18:46.320 stakes were going to be different. Brian had pointed out that, hold on a second, because I

00:18:50.940 made a note about this, that she'd been caught lying repeatedly in the case. There were a couple

00:18:57.580 of times where she did. And one of the most recent ones was she denied, I think, at her deposition

00:19:05.020 that she ever asked anyone to destroy the dailies. Like when you film a movie, there are dailies

00:19:12.920 that they look at every day. What did we shoot today? What's the video look like? And she said

00:19:17.940 under oath at her deposition, she never asked anyone to destroy raw footage, reading here from

00:19:23.860 TMZ from It Ends With Us. But an email from an executive at Sony shows that was a lie. She lied

00:19:32.600 about that. During her deposition, which was July of last year, she was questioned whether she had

00:19:38.180 asked anybody from Sony to destroy the dailies. She said no. She said no, I never asked anyone

00:19:43.340 to destroy dailies. No. When asked if she ever requested anyone to instruct Sony on her behalf,

00:19:49.280 She also replied, no, that she did not do that.

00:19:53.100 However, the transcript of a message that was entered into evidence in the case from Sony executive Ange Giannetti to then president of Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, Josh Greenstein, from September 2024, about a month after the film's release, suggests otherwise.

00:20:10.940 Giannetti writes, call me when you can, not urgent, but Blake asking us to destroy some of the dailies.

00:20:18.120 She adds that she's never heard of a star doing this when no nudity was involved.

00:20:23.620 It would make sense celebs wouldn't want clips of their private areas just floating around out there.

00:20:27.920 But she says she wants to talk to Greenstein about what they will and will not do.

00:20:32.020 And wrote she was going to ask a woman named Bridget to contact the vendors they were working with to delete the dailies.

00:20:37.780 It is unclear if she went through with that plan.

00:20:40.640 So here she is caught in just one example, red handed, obviously lying under oath.

00:20:46.860 Can you imagine the number of inconsistencies they would have her on if she took that stand and this kind of thing played out in front of a jury?

00:20:56.180 didn't she also lie it's my recollection before all the discovery when the taylor

00:21:03.720 brouhaha was happening will taylor be dragged into this um i believe she had said there was no such

00:21:10.960 planned meeting at the tribeca loft with justin invited up so that blake and ryan could bully him

00:21:19.640 and threaten him yeah oh and then oh wait taylor actually was there but you know what happened she

00:21:24.140 was just walking by. She just happened to be in the neighborhood. And Blake said, hey, why don't 1.00

00:21:29.520 you just come on up? And Taylor had no idea what was going on and sat there passively on a sofa

00:21:34.240 because she's such a shrinking violet. Yeah. And that's Taylor's life. She's just meandering about 0.99

00:21:38.780 looking for plans. She's got nothing but free time. Nothing but free time. And then we find 0.82

00:21:44.040 out that this was a coordinated attack, that this was pre-planned and that when it was over,

00:21:48.720 they were congratulating and high-fiving each other verbally about humiliating this guy and 0.87

00:21:54.240 lying to him and him buying it, you know, and it's just, it's all so disgusting. But I just 0.80

00:21:59.680 hope that in all of this, the person who I refer to on the nerve always as psycho arsonist Ryan

00:22:06.480 Reynolds is not lost here. Yes. Explain why you call him that. When Ryan Reynolds was a teenage

00:22:12.260 boy, he burned down his

00:22:14.260 elementary school in Canada to the

00:22:16.180 ground. This was an arson fire.

00:22:18.400 He set it in the middle of the night.

00:22:20.080 This school was like over 100 years old.

00:22:22.180 It went up like that.

00:22:24.040 He has given varying

00:22:25.780 accounts. He's a psychopath, 1.00

00:22:28.080 I believe. He's given varying accounts 1.00

00:22:30.020 of this story. In one, he just

00:22:32.140 meant to set fire to like a wing

00:22:34.180 of it. In another

00:22:36.340 Megan, there's

00:22:38.280 another version of this story in which

00:22:40.300 he just was, he set fire to

00:22:42.180 a tree i could i when i hear that like i could cry like who would set fire to a tree i know to a

00:22:49.780 living thing you know oh but it was just a tree and then it went up and then he who knew so we

00:22:55.940 if anybody out there doubts this we on the at the nerve have dug up the contemporaneous reporting

00:23:01.800 with with a front page from the canadian province of the school ablaze um it was it was leveled all

00:23:10.740 of the students had to go take classes for months and months and months at like various community

00:23:14.620 centers. He admits that he did this? 10 years later, about, he gives another interview. He's

00:23:20.940 not a huge star yet, but he's coming up and he's asked about this. And we have the reporting as

00:23:26.560 well. We have shown the physical paper. He says, yeah, you know, I did that. I did do that. You

00:23:32.560 know, I just, I just, I got away with it. I got away with it. And I just hope some poor schmuck

00:23:38.500 isn't sitting in jail for what I did. 0.99

00:23:40.520 Oh my God. 0.98

00:23:41.940 That is a psycho arsonist. 0.98

00:23:43.920 To say nothing of, 0.78

00:23:45.060 then he and his director or co-director on Deadpool,

00:23:50.120 I think the most recent Deadpool,

00:23:52.800 his and Blake's daughter has a role in the movie

00:23:56.640 and she's behind those masks.

00:23:58.180 So it's unclear why he insisted it had to be the daughter.

00:24:02.980 And the line of dialogue was, 0.99

00:24:05.880 um so it was basically like hey deadpool when i want your opinion i'll smack that dick out of 1.00

00:24:12.200 your mouth or i'll smack my dick out of your mouth and um he this is on the commentary for 1.00

00:24:19.760 the dvd the the bonus content brian and this guy sean i believe sean levy if i'm correct 1.00

00:24:26.800 they're laughing about it and they're laughing at how his then eight-year-old daughter kept saying

00:24:33.320 daddy, I don't want to do this. I don't want to say this dialogue. I don't want to. And they're

00:24:38.800 laughing and he's like, yeah, so we made her do it between like 50 and 500 times. Like he's a piece

00:24:43.400 of shit, this guy. He's a piece of shit. Maureen, we've talked about this. There is, it's very rare 1.00

00:24:50.740 that there's a huge delta between the character of the husband and the character of the woman.

00:24:55.840 Yeah. Yeah. It's very rare. I mean, that's why I really believe in that saying, show me who you

00:25:00.240 love and I'll show you who you are. Exactly. Show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you

00:25:04.640 are. Yeah. So it's not surprising to me. The odds of him being this great, terrific, kind-hearted,

00:25:11.660 good man and her being this insane, malignant narcissist are extremely rare. They'd be 0.54

00:25:18.800 divorced already. I agree completely. And if they do get divorced, trust me, it will be because

00:25:22.880 Ryan is trying to salvage his career. Paramount has already dropped three feature films that he

00:25:29.020 was to either star in or executive produce or direct. And this, again, this takes us right

00:25:33.940 back to Harry and Meghan, you know, the poor Harry narrative. Nah, I think they are very well

00:25:39.280 matched. I think they are very well suited in their rage and resentment and narcissism and their

00:25:46.060 juvenile way of looking at the world emotionally, psychologically, intellectually, give me, give me,

00:25:52.280 give me, I think they're very well matched. Did you see that King Charles removed their

00:25:59.420 wedding photo from his like side table, his favorite side table, I guess, in one of the

00:26:05.200 palaces? A photographer who was allowed in got a quick glimpse of it and took the shot

00:26:12.560 of the, I don't know, do we have it to show the audience, but they took the shot of the

00:26:17.860 table. And you had seen, this is at Highgrove. Here's the old one. You see that on the right

00:26:24.200 is their big wedding photo. And then, yeah, this is at his Gloucester. How do you say that?

00:26:31.220 I think it's Gloucester.

00:26:32.020 Gloucester. Gloucester home. I don't know. Why are there so many letters if you pronounce it

00:26:36.580 Gloucester? G-L-O-U-C-E-S-T-E-R-S-H-I-R-E. That's a lot. I don't know why our friends

00:26:43.680 in Great Britain do that. Anyway, High Grove is the name of the home. And that was her wedding

00:26:49.760 photo, which was snapped by a different photographer who had been there. And now look at it. This is

00:26:54.720 the updated one. It's gone. Royal photographer Chris Jackson was recently let in there and posted

00:27:01.520 the pics on his Instagram story. He has removed the wedding photo of Ms. Mark. You know that's

00:27:09.120 driving her insane that the king no longer wants to look at her whiny face while he relaxes in his

00:27:17.280 home maureen i just wish he would remove the titles i just wish he would remove the titles

00:27:24.740 that that tour of australia oh you know and then she um they set up clearly i believe i think megan

00:27:32.000 has many friends over at people magazine they were on the cover of people which usually hits

00:27:37.520 newsstands on Wednesdays. And that was smack in the middle of Charles and Camilla's state visit

00:27:42.420 here. It's always something, you know, it's just, I just wish they would just sever it. Just,

00:27:48.480 it's just sever that tie.

00:27:49.960 What did you make of the fact that she clearly was not invited to the Met Gala,

00:27:53.720 even though Lauren Sanchez Bezos was co-chair, whose BFFs with all the Kardashians who, you know,

00:28:02.300 Megan likes to pretend are her friends, even though it was their party, Kris Jenner's 70th,

00:28:09.860 where she threw her little hissy fit over being photographed without having signed a release.

00:28:15.060 And when you and I talked about how she was clearly just upset that her husband was caught

00:28:18.560 leering at Kris Jenner's bust. In any event, I did think it was interesting that they clearly

00:28:25.260 didn't invite her because she'll show up to anything. I mean, literally.

00:28:27.280 Oh, she was dying for the invite. The reportage was that she was convinced as recently as days

00:28:33.380 before that the invite was dropping in her email inbox any minute now. Any minute now. And so

00:28:39.940 imagine her... I like to think of Megan watching our Nerve Met Gala live stream.

00:28:45.420 Yes, it was excellent.

00:28:46.640 Thank you. We had so much fun doing it. And watching, again, a convention for the worst

00:28:53.520 people in the world. Tina Fey said that one year, she said after having gone, that it was like,

00:28:59.000 imagine yourself in the center of a room full of everyone you would like to punch in the face,

00:29:04.040 that that's what it feels like in there. And all of these terrible people, Blake Lively,

00:29:11.160 she's one of the absolute worst, in my opinion. Megan is too radioactive for that crowd. 1.00

00:29:17.520 Katy Perry got an invite, notwithstanding the fact that she's currently accused of sexually assaulting somebody and under criminal investigation. 0.86

00:29:26.800 Come on in.

00:29:27.900 But Meghan Markle, it's a no. 0.89

00:29:29.720 Lena Dunham, dog dumper, falsely accused a man of rape in her memoir, wrote about molesting her little sister in her memoir. 0.98

00:29:37.300 Come on in, Lena. 0.87

00:29:38.640 Come on in, Jay-Z.

00:29:40.820 Hasn't said a word against his old pal and business partner, Sean Combs, of many, many, many years.

00:29:46.360 Jay, come on in.

00:29:47.720 And you know what else?

00:29:48.360 Bring in your 14-year-old daughter who won't take off her sunglasses, even though you have

00:29:53.500 to be 18 to get in.

00:29:55.100 You talked on our show about one of the events you went to, one of the Met Galas, where you

00:30:00.360 walked into the room and saw Sean Combs dry humping a Kardashian.

00:30:04.240 Yes, it was a wall of Kardashians and influencer models. 0.87

00:30:08.980 And yeah, he was definitely humping one of them.

00:30:11.400 I saw it with my own eyes.

00:30:12.540 And nobody was using the bathroom, just not for nothing, but nobody was using it. 0.96

00:30:15.440 They were all smoking cigarettes in the Met bathroom, which is disgusting and dry humping one another.

00:30:23.300 And then Doug walked out of the men's room where he's he had just seen two men who shall go nameless for purposes of this story.

00:30:31.280 But big Silicon Valley types who are snorting cocaine off of the.

00:30:37.200 Oh, that doesn't surprise me at all.

00:30:38.880 So very nice, very classy crowd at the Met.

00:30:41.940 Oh, and this year, on top of that, agitators had put Poland Spring bottles filled with

00:30:49.620 urine all over, like next to priceless works of art, in protest of Jeff Bezos, because

00:30:55.280 as you know, Amazon workers have very timed bathroom breaks and a finite amount of them

00:31:00.680 per day.

00:31:01.920 And even Amazon drivers, their time is tracked so that they don't get bathroom breaks.

00:31:06.800 They have to resort to using plastic bottles.

00:31:09.540 It's ridiculous.

00:31:10.280 So that was a big thing too. 0.98

00:31:11.800 And again, Megan is still not wanted there, you know, it's like she's still too toxic, even for them here.

00:31:18.900 So we mentioned Beyonce and Blue Ivy, the 14 year old who she took with her to the Met Gala.

00:31:24.460 Here they are as they're arriving and the Vogue, because, of course, this is Anna Wintour's Vogue announcers fawning over them.

00:31:32.700 Watch this.

00:31:33.840 A regal royalty right there.

00:31:36.660 The feathers, the diamonds, the headpiece, the poised, beautiful face.

00:31:43.700 Oh, Beyonce.

00:31:45.760 The queen has arrived.

00:31:48.060 Wow.

00:31:49.240 Do you see blue behind her?

00:31:51.260 Yeah.

00:31:51.780 Wow.

00:31:54.260 Mommy-daughter duo.

00:31:56.220 No, it's very, very cute. 0.50

00:31:58.500 Look how long but the hair is.

00:32:01.780 It looks amazing.

00:32:02.520 i love that blue is like in this i own everything

00:32:08.180 together this is warming my mother my like mommy heart

00:32:15.880 it's not warming mine i love that blue is in her like i own everything okay

00:32:23.880 her parents are beyonce and jay-z she literally does own everything and therefore it's not a

00:32:30.500 virtue for her to be telegraphing with her body language that she's king of the world.

00:32:35.120 She was born into it. In fact, what would be laudable would be some humility and possibly 0.56

00:32:41.460 something approaching a demure projection. But she's not capable of that because all they've

00:32:47.560 done for her since she was born, Maureen, is try to make her an independent clicks generator.

00:32:53.240 From the day she was born, my team reminded me that her dad, Jay-Z, released a song, Glory, which earned her a Guinness World Record for being the youngest person to have an entry on a billboard chart.

00:33:07.060 Time dubbed her the most famous baby in the world.

00:33:11.340 Carter made her feature film debut in 2024 in Mufasa, The Lion King, as a voice actress.

00:33:19.300 She's also one of Beyonce's backup dancers.

00:33:22.360 We have some video of that. 0.54

00:33:24.180 Hold on.

00:33:24.680 Let's watch it. 0.97

00:33:26.980 Here she is. 0.93

00:33:27.900 She's walking out. 0.90

00:33:28.860 You'd be forgiven if you thought she was 27 years old. 0.99

00:33:32.140 I mean, it's all an attempt at sex appeal, super tight pants, super tight top, you know, the over the top gestures.

00:33:41.520 It's a lot what they're doing to their daughter, Maureen.

00:33:45.440 And it's not the daughter's fault.

00:33:47.400 It's their fault.

00:33:48.080 You know, this is so disturbing on so many levels.

00:33:52.500 There's no way this kid is having like active real schooling.

00:33:55.260 They are building this monster.

00:33:57.120 We're all going to be suffering many years to come.

00:33:59.660 But it does remind me of Willow Smith, daughter of Jada and Will Smith.

00:34:06.100 And Will and Jada were pushing her for a long time.

00:34:09.940 She had that, she had like a hit called, it was like I whip my hair back and forth.

00:34:14.920 I forget what it's called.

00:34:15.480 And then they wanted her to audition for something like what Blue Ivy had done, but not voice work, like screen work.

00:34:22.780 And Willow said to them, listen, how about I just be 12?

00:34:27.600 Wow.

00:34:28.260 And I love that.

00:34:29.320 I love that because it does show that even at that age, there is a self-awareness.

00:34:34.060 And she later come out and declare herself one of the weird sexual, like pansexual, she did.

00:34:40.340 Listen, you grew up in that house. 0.77

00:34:41.960 If you get out alive, kid, like good for you.

00:34:44.940 It's a win.

00:34:45.560 It's a win.

00:34:46.360 Also, like, how is Blue Ivy the most famous baby in the world?

00:34:52.420 I thought, I mean, I guess in that year or that month, you could say so.

00:34:56.300 Let me tell you something, whether she was or she wasn't.

00:34:59.280 Jay-Z, he's not, I mean, honestly, is he really talented?

00:35:03.540 I do think he is.

00:35:04.380 He's got New York State of Mind.

00:35:05.660 That's a great one.

00:35:06.400 I can't name another song by Jay-Z, but, of course, I'm a little out of it.

00:35:09.720 It's okay.

00:35:10.380 I'm a fan.

00:35:11.220 What I think he's great at is marketing.

00:35:13.860 Beyonce, her songs aren't even that good.

00:35:15.820 Sorry, I don't like them.

00:35:17.380 Like one or two here or there, they're fine.

00:35:19.440 She's not like the premier artist of our time,

00:35:22.040 but you would think she was watching her at that.

00:35:25.200 Look, she came in like she actually was a queen. 0.98

00:35:28.180 Oh yeah. 0.99

00:35:28.480 She's got way more Grammys than like the Beatles.

00:35:31.500 Somebody just did the list recently

00:35:33.140 and she was like triple what our most talented artists are

00:35:37.700 when it comes to award winning.

00:35:39.400 It's him.

00:35:40.500 He runs a marketing machine.

00:35:43.160 He first unleashed it on Beyonce to make her Queen Bey.

00:35:47.280 Okay, whatever.

00:35:48.340 And now they're doing it to their own child.

00:35:51.120 And this Met Gala appearance was part of it.

00:35:54.600 Yeah.

00:35:54.940 And again, like just what you and I were just talking about in terms of what actually goes on inside that thing.

00:35:59.700 Who in their right minds thinks that that's some place for a 14-year-old to be?

00:36:04.200 And also for the adults in that room who paid anywhere between $100,000 and $350,000 to be there.

00:36:09.900 They don't want a kid there either.

00:36:11.520 it's an adult party where adult things are supposed to be happening it's true you don't 0.99

00:36:15.900 want to censor yourself or have to watch yourself especially at that price tag because jay-z and

00:36:20.920 beyonce had to bring their little monster that they're building and they won't so she'll just 0.57

00:36:24.580 go to the bathroom and see dry humping and people snorting coke because it's such a classy event 0.89

00:36:30.280 see can't you see the class right in front of you um yeah so she they weren't the only ones who did

00:36:36.260 this, Nicole Kidman. She brought her kid, Sunday Rose. Is that her name? Okay. Yet another 0.53

00:36:43.100 NEPO situation. Sunday Rose Kidman Urban, 17 years old. She went as well with her mom,

00:36:51.340 who was a co-chair. And honestly, it's like, save some room for your child to grow into

00:36:58.160 these events. What does Sunday Rose have to look forward to now? What if Sunday Rose becomes a star

00:37:05.400 in her own right and would like to get to the Met Gala via an independent invitation. Well,

00:37:10.560 it's too late. Mom Nicole has already dragged her everywhere on mom Nicole's arm. I don't know. I 0.87

00:37:16.300 think like the inappropriate showing of your child at an event where you know she's going to be on

00:37:22.300 camera in front of millions and have her fashion critiqued and have her body critiqued and have

00:37:28.420 her face and her hair and makeup critiqued. It's not such a great thing for a 14 or a 17 year old 0.79

00:37:33.660 girl? Well, Nicole has been using her considerable star power to leverage a high fashion modeling 1.00

00:37:41.080 career for Sunday Rose, who really wants this. She has walked for major designers. I think she 1.00

00:37:48.240 walked in Paris most recently. She got the cover of Elle Australia. And I am sorry, but this girl

00:37:55.760 is not a model. She's not. And if you love fashion and you love curated, highly stylized 0.98

00:38:03.300 images like that is that is a cover that belongs to somebody else i'm sorry this girl is not a 0.88

00:38:09.460 model and she's being shoved in our faces and nicole is and i wonder too how much of the divorce

00:38:15.340 has to do with this of like overcompensation you know oh is this what you want like i'll get it for 0.62

00:38:21.680 you yeah right you know right maybe maybe just spend more time with her instead of doing every

00:38:26.480 like hulu amazon netflix project that like gets thrown across your desk literally with nicole 0.91

00:38:32.560 kid. And she said, she said yes to everything. Yes. Maybe spend more time with her, not at the 0.95

00:38:38.760 Met Gala at home across the dinner table from one another, actually talking about life. Maybe that

00:38:45.020 try that same for Amy Griffin, by the way, who was also there. The one who clearly we've talked

00:38:50.320 about her clearly, very clearly stole another woman's sexual assault memories and tried to

00:38:57.300 pawned them off as her own recovered memories after using mdna um and got a best-selling book

00:39:04.420 the tell out of it which we now believe were lies and not only that they made her one of the time

00:39:10.540 100 which is such a joke for what for what her recovered memories which as it turns out per the

00:39:15.400 new york times appear to have been stolen from a girl from the wrong side of the tracks and now she

00:39:20.420 shows up to at the met gala of course which is just you know her money could buy her entrance

00:39:24.560 there in a year but again her husband's money her husband's money uh there there's nothing again

00:39:30.780 we have people at this met gala between amy griffin and lena dunham two people who have leveraged

00:39:37.620 false accusations it seems against men in print and then propped up by the mainstream media

00:39:45.340 industrial complex amy griffin has been propped up by oprah winfrey by gwyneth paltrow by reese

00:39:51.560 witherspoon by the today show by no she's she's swanning around like she doesn't have a care in

00:39:57.360 the world she's a psychopath you've this guy that she's accused is an actual man living in a town

00:40:04.540 where everybody knows who he is he he's a pseudonymous in the book uh but everybody in 0.99

00:40:12.000 town knows who he is mr mason she doesn't give a shit she doesn't care that she took what should 0.97

00:40:18.200 be considered most sacred another woman's recovered sorry not recovered another woman's 0.99

00:40:26.020 sexual assault as a minor child by the hands of another teacher by the way it should be clear not

00:40:31.400 mr mason correct stole that appropriated it for herself and then shrouded it all in uh recovered

00:40:39.820 memories brought upon by a guided mdma trip so that if she's ever accused of making this up she

00:40:46.600 has the convenient excuse, well, I was high out of my mind.

00:40:50.140 Yeah, I didn't know.

00:40:50.960 I didn't realize.

00:40:51.540 But honestly, if you read that New York Times article, which is very telling, it's just

00:40:56.120 the old phrase, it talks about how she went, this is a woman, Amy Griffin, who's married

00:41:02.660 to the richest man in New York, and they have billions.

00:41:05.720 And she wrote this book, Gattel, a couple years ago, claiming it all came back to her,

00:41:09.740 how she was raped repeatedly by a teacher, Mr. Mason, in Amarillo, Texas, where she grew

00:41:13.620 up, one of the richest girls in town, one of the most privileged.

00:41:16.600 With an intact family, those are not the girls this happens to. 0.97

00:41:19.820 Sadly, they always pick on the weak girls from families that are broken up because they know that they don't really have a solid home life to go home and complain about it to.

00:41:28.800 But in any event, she claimed it happened to her.

00:41:32.140 And then the New York Times started doing a deep dive on her after the nerve raised questions about whether any of this was true.

00:41:41.300 And not only did they seem to echo your concerns, Maureen, but they actually found the girl on the wrong side of the tracks, who's now an adult, who then later came out and said, not only are these my memories, but she met with me like recently, right before she published the book, like a two-year period before.

00:41:59.620 And she said, hey, let's both sign postcards to each other.

00:42:02.720 Let's grab a postcard from this little cafe where we're having our coffee.

00:42:06.520 And I'll put my address on the one that you send, and you do the same for me.

00:42:10.540 And so I sent her one, you know, per her request, which Amy Griffin then uses in the book as evidence she allegedly believes that, like, another Me Too victim reached out to her.

00:42:24.280 It's all such a web.

00:42:25.980 Anyway, this is a long way of saying she was there.

00:42:29.420 She's at the Met Gala.

00:42:31.160 So she can come.

00:42:32.220 And none of those people, not Oprah, not the Today Show, none of them, Gwyneth, has done any cleanup on this story.

00:42:38.980 Even after the New York Times gave her the double barrel treatment, first the original takedown piece and then the second one pointing out that fact about they found the woman and that postcard and all that.

00:42:50.020 Nothing.

00:42:50.460 They're like, come right in.

00:42:52.720 And none of these so-called reporters has even atoned for putting her on question free.

00:42:58.680 It makes you wonder just how much money Amy Griffin has given to Gwyneth, you know, in any round of funding for Goop.

00:43:04.580 Has she contributed to Oprah's media empire in any way?

00:43:09.480 I mean, it really makes you wonder, again, and Oprah especially, who has said repeatedly

00:43:15.780 that she is a survivor of childhood sexual assault.

00:43:19.380 Yeah.

00:43:19.760 This flies with her.

00:43:21.320 This is okay.

00:43:22.360 Yes.

00:43:22.920 Right.

00:43:23.140 Exactly.

00:43:23.640 Like, then show it.

00:43:25.080 Why don't you prove it?

00:43:26.720 Okay.

00:43:27.700 Any other thoughts on the Met Gala?

00:43:29.460 How about Lauren Sanchez Bezos? 0.99

00:43:32.000 She looked bummed out to me.

00:43:33.540 And I think two things were potentially going on.

00:43:36.720 Jeff did not walk the red carpet with her or the green carpet because the reporting was he was surprised there was a backlash as if Blue Origin didn't tip him off last year that those of us who are still earthbound will not you and me.

00:43:51.980 We don't brag.

00:43:53.220 We've been.

00:43:53.680 We've been.

00:43:54.320 If you know, you know.

00:43:55.000 You know, but so that there was that.

00:43:58.700 And then it looked like Anna Wintour did get her hands on her because, you know, in the hours before the Met Gala, Anna always hosts a press conference to say there's a Met Gala in a few hours, as if we don't know.

00:44:09.940 And Lauren was looking very somber in this like vintage John Galliano.

00:44:14.800 She was looking somber.

00:44:15.840 Because the neckline was up to here.

00:44:18.420 And it looked like her undergarments were like minimizing.

00:44:21.200 So she can't fully express herself. 1.00

00:44:23.840 You know, her bodaciousness can't just reach 11.

00:44:27.880 And I think she felt like she was hemmed in and like she was having to hide her light under a bushel.

00:44:32.600 Well, did you happen to see, I think it was the Times, right?

00:44:36.020 Wasn't it, Steve, that did the long piece on her, which we read in great detail live on the show.

00:44:41.740 And the last segment of that interview covers her absurd outfit at the inauguration. 0.98

00:44:50.180 Remember, she showed her boobs. 0.97

00:44:52.400 She was right behind President Trump. They moved that inauguration indoors because it was subzero temperatures or close to. And she had on the bustier, the white lace bustier with her enormous breasts spilling out the top and a very low cut white blazer. 0.80

00:45:10.660 And she actually tried to spin it to the times that she was really proud of her outfit as like demure and appropriate, you know, but then it got moved inside and oh, she was just shocked, shocked that her outfit became a story, you know, and she said, got it.

00:45:30.960 don't wear lace to the inauguration. No, not it. You could wear lace. Don't show your tits.

00:45:40.660 It's a little known rule. Maybe only we reporters get it. You're not supposed to show your boobs 0.99

00:45:47.300 at an inauguration. We saw everything but areola. And now she wants to play it off like, 1.00

00:45:54.580 whoopsie, it was just a little lace that happened to peek out because I was unexpectedly caught

00:45:59.700 going inside instead of outside on the inauguration day, which by the way, we all knew the day before

00:46:06.260 that it had been moved inside. My favorite shot from that entire thing was Mark Zuckerberg standing

00:46:11.560 next to her going like, they're all children. You know, again, as you just said, oh, like

00:46:16.840 reporters would know Lauren Sanchez began her career as a reporter. True. And then she was a

00:46:22.460 helicopter pilot for like a Los Angeles, like a major affiliate out there. She was married to one

00:46:28.640 of the most powerful talent agents in Hollywood, Patrick Whitesell, who has represented the likes

00:46:33.660 of Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, I believe. You know, the idea that she's this fawn in the woods and

00:46:38.160 then she begins an extramarital affair with Jeff Bezos and allegedly reportedly had it leaked to

00:46:44.540 the Inquirer because Jeff wasn't moving fast enough with the divorce. You know, she's a fawn 0.52

00:46:49.220 in the woods. She had no idea. You're a woman. I'm a woman. We know how it feels when we get

00:46:54.660 dressed and how things fall on the body. I know when my boobs are out. You know. Yeah, I know when

00:46:59.840 my boobs are out. I don't really have any, but you know what I mean? It's like, you know, you're

00:47:03.740 very sensitive about that stuff. And so just admit it, just be like. At the inauguration,

00:47:09.560 you're right behind the president. I'm an exhibitionist. I like attention. I did not

00:47:14.580 get enough hugs as a child. Yes. Give me more attention. Right. Honestly, it's all tied together

00:47:20.600 with what she's doing to her face.

00:47:23.040 You know, it's like a lot of people have plastic surgery.

00:47:26.000 We were just talking about Jane Fonda the other day

00:47:27.960 because Ted Turner died.

00:47:29.940 Their relationship was fascinating.

00:47:31.300 I'd love to spend a minute on that.

00:47:33.320 But of course, I infamously asked her 1.00

00:47:36.400 about her plastic surgery and she took issue with it,

00:47:38.460 which she talked about many, many times.

00:47:40.040 But she's had great plastic surgery. 0.77

00:47:41.820 She looks amazing.

00:47:42.800 You know, she's 88 now.

00:47:43.800 She looks spectacular thanks to the many faceless.

00:47:45.940 But whatever she's doing, it's working for her. 0.90

00:47:48.840 I don't think, though, that Jane Fonda, I think Jane Fonda is vain, which that's fine.

00:47:53.560 I'm vain, too. 0.94

00:47:55.540 But she looks great.

00:47:57.040 Lauren Sanchez is vain, and it's gone another way. 0.91

00:48:02.200 She's more, to me, somebody who's obsessed. 0.96

00:48:05.100 Here she is side by side.

00:48:06.080 Is this before and after?

00:48:07.120 Yeah.

00:48:07.840 Well, no. 1.00

00:48:09.160 She's already had some work here on the left.

00:48:10.600 Try to find one of the younger pictures of her, like really younger, because she was

00:48:13.340 really cute when she was younger.

00:48:15.340 She was very pretty.

00:48:16.320 No, no, no.

00:48:17.360 We'll keep looking. 1.00

00:48:18.020 but look how prodded she is 1.00

00:48:21.140 and look how much filler is in the face now

00:48:23.300 she's one of those people who's become 1.00

00:48:25.140 like an addict I think

00:48:26.200 it's sad, it's sad to see

00:48:28.520 she's carved herself up 0.64

00:48:30.900 she kind of looks humanoid

00:48:33.080 not human

00:48:34.180 do you remember the cat lady

00:48:37.040 Jocelyn Waldenstein 0.73

00:48:39.220 she's giving cat lady vibes

00:48:40.500 it's sad, I hate to see it because 0.67

00:48:42.660 you're right, she was very pretty when she was

00:48:45.140 younger and before she sort of 0.98

00:48:47.160 got on this billionaire track i just think the billionaire track is weird for a woman to choose 1.00

00:48:52.240 it actually has the opposite effect on every woman instead of women becoming more beautiful 0.99

00:48:56.920 because now they've got access to billions they become very weird looking she's not the only one 0.97

00:49:02.000 you know i think of like elon musk who's impregnated like at least 500 women

00:49:06.680 you know it's like it's just all the numbers high weird is it 500 i think it's got to be

00:49:11.480 listen by the time his obituary is written yeah it'd be like thousands i mean like

00:49:16.180 Like, if you don't know who your dad is or if you think it might be Elon Musk, you should definitely have, like, tests before you have sex with a stranger who's your age. 0.96

00:49:25.440 Oh, my God. 0.98

00:49:25.980 You're so right.

00:49:26.780 Especially you're going to be running in this sort of milieu.

00:49:29.360 It's a little scary.

00:49:30.400 It is a little frightening.

00:49:32.300 Yeah.

00:49:32.600 But so anyway, no, I look at her and it is to weep.

00:49:36.140 I mean, I think, you know, Kris Jenner has had better work.

00:49:41.640 She looks good.

00:49:42.680 She does look good.

00:49:43.480 Now, she also felt it was necessary to address us all because she does not like the reports that her facelift has been slipping.

00:49:51.660 Didn't she just have it?

00:49:52.920 Yes.

00:49:53.040 How could it be slipping already?

00:49:54.320 Well, she's also on Ozempic, Megan.

00:49:55.860 Oh.

00:49:56.320 So, you know, we may have some contraindications.

00:49:58.440 There's a lot going on.

00:49:59.260 It's a lot.

00:49:59.860 All right.

00:50:00.520 There's much more to discuss.

00:50:01.620 I do want to pick up that Jane Fonda thing because it was a fascinating interview in the wake of Ted Turner's death about their relationship.

00:50:08.140 And much, much more.

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00:51:24.700 Maureen Callahan is my guest today. Check out the hit Maureen Callahan show, which is called 0.99

00:51:30.620 the nerve. It's part of our MK media podcast network. Just go to podcasts wherever you get

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00:51:42.120 I reminded myself during the break,

00:51:44.000 there were two things about the Met Gala

00:51:45.240 I did want to get to.

00:51:46.340 Speaking of the terrible, terrible people who were there,

00:51:49.380 Eileen Gu, that nightmare from the Olympics

00:51:52.300 who was all about herself. 0.99

00:51:53.980 I thought you liked her. 0.98

00:51:55.060 No, I hate her.

00:51:56.120 Really?

00:51:56.560 Yes.

00:51:56.820 The girl with the zebra striped hair?

00:51:58.560 No, that was Alyssa Liu.

00:52:01.380 Oh, sorry. 1.00

00:52:02.100 Eileen Gu was the nasty skier. 0.73

00:52:04.700 Can we pull over John Cassio's favorite soundbite of Eileen Goo, the butted soundbite, if we can find out what a terrible person she is? 0.99

00:52:11.840 We'll get that.

00:52:12.540 But in the meantime, take, I mean, her dress was, I'll say this, it was interesting.

00:52:16.920 It was a conversation piece.

00:52:18.720 I'm not sure it was art, but watch this, SOT4.

00:52:22.820 Literally wearing art.

00:52:24.040 Today I'm wearing Iris Van Herpen.

00:52:26.100 It is so special.

00:52:27.840 This look is all about bubbles, obviously, but it's about whimsy and it's about a play on time and reality.

00:52:34.100 and permanence. So there are 15,000 bubbles on me. They are made of glass, which is incredible.

00:52:39.080 2,550 hours of work. Insane. It's about time and permanence. Somebody gave her that line,

00:52:47.600 obviously. And this was the person who was at the Olympics who she skied for China.

00:52:53.660 Oh, right. Even though she's American. One of her parents are Chinese nationals. 0.52

00:52:58.400 She sold out. She got offered a bunch of money to ski for China and she took it. 0.99

00:53:02.680 And then she was lauded by all these woke magazines here in the States.

00:53:06.020 It's like, oh, good for her.

00:53:07.400 It's like, she's, what do you mean?

00:53:08.560 She's skiing for China.

00:53:10.420 Alyssa was offered that opportunity because she had a Chinese dad and said, no, I'm not 1.00

00:53:15.800 doing that shit. 0.99

00:53:16.540 I'm American and I am skating, ice skating for the United States. 1.00

00:53:20.460 And she didn't get anywhere near the same kind of coverage and treatment.

00:53:23.760 But this is why we don't like Eileen Gu, among other reasons.

00:53:26.780 What I just said and this, watch.

00:53:28.760 I'm so proud of how I've done this Olympics.

00:53:31.360 I joke I'm not a betting woman but if I were I took a big gamble this time

00:53:37.060 because I chose to do three events knowing that I hadn't trained half pipe

00:53:40.660 in two months knowing that I would miss the half pipe training I'm an

00:53:44.200 introspective young woman like I spend a lot of time in my head and it's not a

00:53:47.920 bad place to be the fact is I get to become every day the kind of person that

00:53:52.840 me at age eight would revere like I would be obsessed with me today are you

00:53:56.980 kidding i would love me global beneficial impact is like my central theme the fact is a rising tide

00:54:02.920 raises all boats and so this is also good for every other athlete competing regardless of what

00:54:07.780 country you compete for she's given gail king astronaut vibes there i wish she had more belief

00:54:13.740 in herself she's had a little more self-confidence she could get there she could do it doesn't she

00:54:19.440 like i i inspire everyone i would have been a huge inspiration to me that's right again

00:54:25.920 Blonde origin, Meghan Markle with love, Meghan with a Y.

00:54:30.380 It's all about me.

00:54:31.880 It's all about me.

00:54:33.360 So we did a little segment today on Bill Maher.

00:54:37.900 No matter what kind of conversation he's attempting to have on his podcast, 0.96

00:54:41.420 it always comes back to his porn consumption and his masturbatory habits. 0.98

00:54:45.800 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:46.480 Literally. 0.88

00:54:48.340 But there's this thing going on with Gen Z, and it's weird. 0.99

00:54:51.700 It's like two things.

00:54:52.600 One is like the phenomenon of this younger generation just actively not having sex.

00:54:57.620 Like they don't want it.

00:54:58.920 They avoid it.

00:54:59.660 I know.

00:54:59.880 It's very weird.

00:55:00.840 And a kind of narcissism that I don't think we've seen.

00:55:04.640 I mean, when you think of the greatest athletes America has produced, I mean, this, she's

00:55:10.280 like, I'm so great for not preparing and losing and stealing a slot from some kid who doesn't

00:55:18.880 have my leverage.

00:55:20.140 You know what I mean?

00:55:20.740 Good point in China, right. 0.96

00:55:22.060 it's so insane and and you know you didn't even know her name you were like who i don't i did not 0.65

00:55:28.180 know her name i thought you know it's alissa and aileen right so i got confused because i saw

00:55:33.700 now alissa we love she's the one who's got like again that great like straight rock hair yes so

00:55:39.540 herself did it her way i just love her i love her and was very self-deprecating and like gave the 1.00

00:55:46.380 credit to others like her trainer not like this bitch who's like i inspire everyone most especially 1.00

00:55:51.740 me. My eight-year-old 1.00

00:55:53.740 self would love me. I would revere

00:55:55.900 me. Who talks like that?

00:55:58.240 Okay, so that's what gets you an

00:55:59.660 invitation to the Met Gala. And one other person I

00:56:01.740 wanted to mention. So we all

00:56:03.860 felt uncomfortable when we saw the 0.97

00:56:05.480 black transgender, quote, 0.99

00:56:07.680 woman, that's a lie, it's a man, 1.00

00:56:09.980 with quadriplegic cerebral palsy

00:56:11.940 at the Met Gala. It was a little awkward.

00:56:14.100 Everybody was wondering, what's happening

00:56:15.680 here? Who is this person?

00:56:17.920 Like, I guess good for them. Was this the Ashley

00:56:19.740 Instagram interview? Yes. Aaron Rose Phillip. Now Aaron goes by Ariana. It's a man. Okay. It's a

00:56:27.720 man. It's confusing because there's a lot of boxes checked in this particular- I didn't even clock

00:56:31.880 that because this reminds me of, Anna Wintour is dying. This is not what Anna Wintour wants on her

00:56:39.220 red carpet or her green carpet. Now look, I'm not making fun of this person because they're in a

00:56:44.060 wheelchair or has cerebral palsy, but I am going to make fun of this absurd soundbite when you

00:56:49.840 didn't understand, like, what is this person doing here? And they've been signed to elite

00:56:53.280 models. I think it's elite. No, stop. Okay. All right. Sure. Um, now we get, we get to listen

00:56:59.040 to Aaron Rose Phillip talk about himself. And do we have that soundbite? This is what he had to say.

00:57:07.320 When I first started working, I was an anomaly to the industry, arguably in many ways today.

00:57:14.060 Really, I still am. I think it's time to say the choir part out loud.

00:57:18.620 The fashion industry is unlikely to book or pay black trans feminine and or physically disabled models to do runway, editorial and or campaign because of an absence of whiteness. 0.99

00:57:35.040 What? 0.90

00:57:36.480 OK, I'm just going to go right back to you. Do you remember when Dove tried to do their all inclusive ad campaign?

00:57:42.340 Yeah, it didn't work out for them.

00:57:44.060 It didn't boost sales.

00:57:45.720 In fact, I think it hurt their sales.

00:57:48.220 This is not what people are looking for.

00:57:51.140 You have to know your lane.

00:57:53.140 You have to know your lane.

00:57:54.800 But that appearance at the Met Gala reminded me of there was an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, like at the peak of wokeness, where Larry David goes in to pitch something to Netflix.

00:58:05.760 Yeah, I think I saw this.

00:58:06.960 Do you remember this?

00:58:07.740 and he goes into the room and there's like a black person in a wheelchair and a trans person

00:58:12.500 and somebody else with some sort of like unusual thing happening physically. And you could see him

00:58:19.080 try to hold his tongue, which for Larry David is impossible, but kind of like, what's, what is this?

00:58:26.100 Like, I thought this was just a pitch meeting. What did I just walk into? Yeah. Look, the thought

00:58:31.360 that you would find yourself confined to a wheelchair with that kind of debilitating cerebral

00:58:36.040 palsy. And then on top of that, declare yourself a woman when you're a man, just to layer on yet 0.55

00:58:42.880 another challenge in your life. And then when given the opportunity to give a TED talk on the

00:58:48.780 things you've overcome, to blame the absence of people like you on runways on whiteness, 1.00

00:58:56.920 on whiteness, that's what he said at the end there, is a testament to how fucked up and sick 0.97

00:59:03.840 we are today in this country like that's going to be your message you're not going to be like 0.99

00:59:07.980 thankful that you're here giving a damn ted talk and then of course he i i guess he got signed by 0.81

00:59:14.820 elite maybe it was before maybe it was after maybe he guilted his way in either way it's it's a 0.96

00:59:20.680 kindness that they gave to this guy obviously there's no designer who's dying to show their

00:59:25.620 clothes on a trans quadriplegic wheelchair bet look that these are just the truths and uh instead of 0.50

00:59:33.520 being grateful. He's bitter. And by the way, he's trying to co-opt our sex by claiming he's a she 0.93

00:59:39.540 among as many other special boxes checked. It's the whole thing is absurd, Maureen. It's absurd.

00:59:44.340 And he's bitter, still bitter about whiteness. Well, I'm sure I'm sure this person will get a 0.98

00:59:49.900 book deal. Okay. Okay. And it won't sell. Okay. Forging forward, this Diana Rossini,

00:59:57.600 Mike Rabel situation. Oh, yeah. There is an update. So she is the former ESPN, now former New York

01:00:05.280 Times sports reporter. She was with the offshoot of the New York Times, The Athletic, that covers

01:00:11.320 sports. And he is the current coach of the New England Patriots. And it seemed to be very clear

01:00:17.100 that they were having an affair based on pictures that were recently published of them at a Tony

01:00:22.720 Sedona, Arizona retreat, holding hands and very familiar in the pool. I said to the audience at

01:00:29.180 the time, there's nothing, not like a naked shot of them in bed together. But if I ever saw Doug

01:00:34.840 holding another woman's hands or in a hot tub, frolicking that way, he'd be dead. Not actually 0.99

01:00:41.300 dead, but yelled at and probably divorced him. But I have to think it over because I really love

01:00:46.540 Doug. I don't know. Yeah, it really is hard. You wonder why Mike's wife hasn't just put his clothes

01:00:52.640 out on the lawn in like a funeral pyre oh oh i was thinking about why diana because there's a

01:00:57.980 there's breaking news on the daily mail today i don't know if you saw it yes about diana about

01:01:01.880 the pregnant trip she took yeah she was like seven no no oh it's even worse than that okay

01:01:06.240 not worse it just gets more and more worse uh she was seven months pregnant and they went out

01:01:12.720 on a boat that they chartered together yeah two or three hours she and mike there's video of it

01:01:16.960 this is again from 2020 so it comes out that this alleged affair they're denying it still

01:01:22.280 has been going on for at least six years.

01:01:24.320 She was pregnant with a baby

01:01:25.660 and named her baby Mike, which is his name.

01:01:28.840 Here she is with her pregnant belly, 2020.

01:01:31.640 Okay, I've covered a lot of sources.

01:01:33.040 I've never gone on like a little boat trip with them

01:01:36.240 while I'm pregnant, while I'm wearing shorts

01:01:38.120 and like bare feet.

01:01:40.100 Who would go out on the open water

01:01:41.520 with a man they don't know very intimately?

01:01:43.800 I don't know.

01:01:44.520 What woman? 0.55

01:01:45.120 I tell you, because you're putting yourself at risk.

01:01:47.580 Yeah.

01:01:47.840 It's a very vulnerable, ask Natalie Wood.

01:01:50.020 Oh my God.

01:01:50.420 and ask Lacey Peterson. 0.96

01:01:52.480 And ask that reporter, remember?

01:01:54.000 Do you remember that reporter who went out,

01:01:55.860 like she was in Norway or something?

01:01:58.680 She was doing, she was reporting a piece on a guy

01:02:01.240 who was like either a submariner or he was a voyager.

01:02:05.380 And she went on his boat and she was not heard from again.

01:02:10.080 And the authorities began investigating

01:02:13.340 and boarded that boat and he had murdered her

01:02:15.380 and dismembered her.

01:02:17.400 So like, you see that and you're like,

01:02:18.720 they're together, I'm sorry.

01:02:20.420 The Daily Mail this morning has a report that she was she was doing a Zoom like during COVID with a bunch of other reporters.

01:02:29.300 And that coach, Mike, was in the Zoom Brady Bunch box.

01:02:33.440 Oh, wait, we have this. Oh, sorry. OK, well, I'll play it and then you take another back.

01:02:38.160 And it's a family. It's a fake family feud segment. She's in one of the boxes. And so is Mike Vrabel.

01:02:43.980 OK, Diana, what is something you might close your eyes to do when you have sex with your husband or wife? 0.95

01:02:50.420 Again, this is from Family Feud Kids, but yes. 0.54

01:02:53.040 She answered it.

01:02:53.800 She answered it.

01:02:54.520 It's done.

01:02:54.940 That's the one.

01:02:55.340 It's done.

01:02:55.720 You have to take the answer.

01:02:56.500 Hit him out.

01:02:57.320 No. 0.86

01:02:59.280 Okay.

01:03:01.120 Okay.

01:03:02.560 So I think that's Mike there with his head in his hands.

01:03:05.300 Yep.

01:03:06.360 She also posted to Instagram something like, you know, if I had married, if I had married,

01:03:14.020 I married, she said something, I married boring. 0.52

01:03:17.420 I married mediocre. 0.95

01:03:18.920 Yeah. 0.93

01:03:19.100 If I had married somebody beautiful, I'd be over-posting all the time.

01:03:23.340 If I had married somebody exceptional, I would be posting all the time.

01:03:27.060 But I didn't.

01:03:28.000 Average, she's there.

01:03:28.680 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:29.060 She's disgusting. 1.00

01:03:31.420 So it made me wonder. 0.98

01:03:33.700 Again, I think the last time I was here with you, we were talking about, what's Brian Noem's kink? 1.00

01:03:39.240 Because this was before the bimbofication thing. 1.00

01:03:41.100 Oh, my God. 1.00

01:03:41.520 Like sitting behind her.

01:03:43.180 My Lord.

01:03:44.180 At the thing.

01:03:44.680 You know, everybody.

01:03:45.560 Yeah.

01:03:45.580 Okay.

01:03:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:46.400 I wonder if the husband's got something.

01:03:48.780 Oh, like he likes to see her with another man? 0.97

01:03:50.700 Or he's got some sexual fetish that like, he's like, that's great. 0.93

01:03:54.460 She's preoccupied over here. 0.98

01:03:56.120 He can do what he wants over here.

01:03:57.520 Because it doesn't make sense at this point.

01:04:00.040 Yeah.

01:04:00.160 Why aren't they both announcing divorces?

01:04:01.900 Yeah.

01:04:02.520 Yeah.

01:04:02.700 I don't know.

01:04:05.240 Honestly, it's like, if you found out your spouse was having an affair, allegedly, for

01:04:11.440 six years, and also that she had her baby, your baby together.

01:04:18.180 at a time when she was having the affair

01:04:21.540 and your son is named after the affair partner.

01:04:24.520 Now she's claiming, oh, her brother's named Mike too.

01:04:27.020 Oh, sure, sure, she named him after her brother,

01:04:28.920 not her affair partner, whatever.

01:04:31.080 What man would stay? 0.99

01:04:32.580 She's actively humiliating him for years. 1.00

01:04:36.020 When she got engaged to him,

01:04:38.320 she was reportedly having the affair with this guy.

01:04:40.900 Even if, my question is, is that child his?

01:04:44.760 Yeah, oh yeah, everybody wants to know that.

01:04:46.340 Is that child his?

01:04:47.440 and the Daily Mail had a great photo of them

01:04:50.920 kissing on their wedding day

01:04:52.460 and she's leaning back

01:04:54.540 and it's not like a passionate kiss

01:04:57.000 or a warm kiss

01:04:58.160 it's like let's just touch the surface of our lips

01:05:02.340 to each other and get this over with

01:05:03.740 it's very, very curious

01:05:05.520 and it seems to me that she has always wanted Coach Mike

01:05:10.060 but she had to settle for her

01:05:12.560 she says, oh my husband's average 1.00

01:05:13.960 she's like an executive at Shake Shack

01:05:16.120 he's not a bad looking guy

01:05:17.120 He's not a slouch. He's not a bad looking guy at all. Seems like he's a great father, you know?

01:05:21.700 And she's out here, like she's getting off on humiliating him.

01:05:25.660 Her kids are going to hate her.

01:05:27.440 As well, they probably should.

01:05:28.820 Yeah. Like the husband may forgive this behavior. I don't know whether he will or he won't,

01:05:33.180 but the kids are going to hate her. There they are together. They're going to hate her for 0.85

01:05:36.880 humiliating their dad over and over and over. Like you emasculate and humiliate a boy's father 0.99

01:05:43.440 over and over and over, and he will loathe you.

01:05:46.000 You have a lot to answer for

01:05:47.380 if one word of this is true, Diana.

01:05:50.000 Again, they both deny it.

01:05:51.980 There's an awful lot of photographic evidence

01:05:55.400 suggesting they've been in love,

01:05:57.780 she and her affair partner,

01:05:58.860 alleged affair partner for some time.

01:06:00.340 Which leads me to Jane Fonda and Ted Turner.

01:06:03.800 So Ted Turner died this week, lived quite a life.

01:06:07.520 He died at 87.

01:06:08.160 He had been diagnosed with Lewy body dementia

01:06:11.940 about seven years ago, in 2018.

01:06:16.140 So yes, eight years.

01:06:18.540 So he had a rough last decade or so,

01:06:21.180 but what a titan of industry and of America.

01:06:25.740 Just, you know, you look back on the life he led.

01:06:28.660 He apparently had a very abusive father

01:06:31.120 when he was little, like very,

01:06:33.100 so abusive that Jane Fonda said

01:06:34.680 when he told her about the abuse on their second date,

01:06:38.320 she burst out into tears.

01:06:39.460 Yeah, his father apparently beat him and abused him very badly.

01:06:44.300 But his father was in the billboard business and Ted eventually joined him.

01:06:48.900 I think he failed out or dropped out of Brown University, Ted did, and then joined the family

01:06:53.920 business and turned one thing into another and then had the idea for 24-7 news station,

01:07:00.420 CNN, because he got home from work at seven o'clock and there was no more news.

01:07:05.980 So simple, right?

01:07:06.860 Like my husband, Doug, was saying, so simple.

01:07:08.840 Some of the best ideas come from just like the simplest thought, you know, like guys were like, I see a problem, I'm going to solve it.

01:07:15.080 And CNN was later born.

01:07:18.360 It was, of course, it's still going to this day.

01:07:20.620 Of course, it's not what it used to be, but it was, there's no question.

01:07:23.080 It was a hugely great idea, changed the way we consume news, changed so much about America.

01:07:28.260 There wouldn't have been a Fox had there not been a CNN and so on.

01:07:32.220 But they got married.

01:07:34.200 So he had two earlier wives with whom he had his children, two with one and three with another.

01:07:38.300 Then he meets Jane in 1991 and they got married.

01:07:42.200 They had a 10-year marriage.

01:07:44.380 He was a huge sailor.

01:07:45.860 He won the America's Cup and was so competitive

01:07:48.480 that he one time was racing against one of his earlier wives

01:07:53.200 who was also a sailor.

01:07:54.320 They met sailing and she was about to beat him 0.90

01:07:56.780 in some big race and he rammed his boat into hers.

01:07:59.460 I mean, like, that's-

01:08:00.660 Oh my God.

01:08:01.040 Yeah, like, and I think if memory serves,

01:08:04.120 like actually like her boat was sunk or something happened.

01:08:06.820 But in any event, very competitive.

01:08:10.620 They all got divorced.

01:08:11.820 He meets Jane in 91, and she's 54 years old when they get married.

01:08:15.640 She looks spectacular.

01:08:16.900 You won't be surprised to hear, because let's not forget after her career in movies where she was stunning.

01:08:20.920 You watch The China Syndrome.

01:08:22.380 She's stunning. 1.00

01:08:24.700 Then she goes on to become an aerobics guru. 0.57

01:08:27.800 And so she's got a rocket bod to this day.

01:08:29.980 I have to say, she's hashtag goals in this department. 0.55

01:08:33.040 She marries Ted Turner.

01:08:34.080 He's this swashbuckling, sort of amazing, strong, successful, crazy, like interesting 0.80

01:08:43.280 man, but he's got a serious problem with women.

01:08:49.860 And I guess he's driven by this insatiable lust that he cannot get past.

01:08:56.100 And even though he's just married a spectacular Jane Fonda, he cheats on her the first month

01:09:04.060 This is from a long piece that Jane gave an interview for, which I think I read in the New York Times last night.

01:09:10.120 It was either the Times or the Journal.

01:09:11.280 But in any event, he cheats on her within the first month of their marriage and never stopped.

01:09:18.580 Was cheating all the time.

01:09:21.160 Was insatiable.

01:09:22.620 She used to talk about his, quote, nooners that he would happen. 0.99

01:09:26.160 Oh, God.

01:09:26.940 They refer to when he was forming CNN and he would sleep at his desk or in like some room in the office.

01:09:32.320 and one morning came down at 4 a.m.

01:09:34.420 with like early morning news staff

01:09:36.080 with Raquel Welsh on his arm.

01:09:38.560 He was so thrilled to show off

01:09:40.720 that Raquel Welsh and he had slept together.

01:09:43.140 She was in a robe and so was he.

01:09:44.620 But while married to Jane Fonda, 0.99

01:09:45.940 never stopped like screwing other women. 0.99

01:09:51.060 And all the while she said, 0.99

01:09:52.640 and she's had very nice things to say about him,

01:09:54.700 but she was talking about like the downsides of him

01:09:56.620 and why the marriage didn't work,

01:09:58.120 was like crushingly insecure

01:09:59.920 and needed to be built up all the time.

01:10:02.980 And he needed mothering by her.

01:10:05.800 And she was just exhausted.

01:10:07.780 She said she really didn't like find herself

01:10:10.120 until that marriage ended 10 years later,

01:10:12.960 even though she now, and for many years thereafter,

01:10:15.040 would refer to him as her favorite husband.

01:10:16.680 She's got a few too.

01:10:18.900 And it all sounded so complicated.

01:10:20.580 And then he later said, after his divorce from her,

01:10:25.320 he had four women.

01:10:26.960 He had 26 homes, Maureen.

01:10:28.960 I mean, obviously one of the richest men in the world.

01:10:31.140 He had four different women in his life

01:10:33.180 and he would spend a week, a month with each one

01:10:37.700 at the different properties, right? 1.00

01:10:40.700 And so there are women who are living like this, 0.93

01:10:43.240 who are like, sure, 0.99

01:10:44.720 I'll be Ted Turner's second week of the month girl

01:10:48.360 and I'll have access to all these millions or billions

01:10:51.320 and this wonderful mansion,

01:10:53.520 maybe like the Arizona one is mine,

01:10:55.560 the one in Belize is another one's.

01:10:58.380 And just painted this very complicated, interesting picture of him and, frankly, of Jane Fonda, too.

01:11:04.660 Well, Jane Fonda had a really rough origin story as well.

01:11:08.020 You know, her mother committed suicide when she was a teenage girl.

01:11:11.800 Her father, who America believed to be this incredibly warm, fatherly figure, was very cold and distant.

01:11:21.180 On Golden Pond, I think she has basically said, was very biographical for her.

01:11:26.520 You know, he played this very, you know, it was Catherine Hepburn and Henry.

01:11:30.440 I think I must have seen that movie like a hundred times as a kid.

01:11:33.000 They played it on HBO on a loop.

01:11:34.320 Yes, they did.

01:11:35.260 They totally did.

01:11:36.540 Right?

01:11:36.900 And so she's got this very, and, you know, she was prior to that, she's had several husbands, one of whom was Roger Vadim.

01:11:43.580 Now she and her, she has a doorstopper autobiography that I have yet to get to, but I have been dying to get to it.

01:11:49.380 She writes in that book about how he forced her or really insisted that she engage in threesomes.

01:11:57.100 And I think that men at this level, I think it's – I would love like a longitudinal study of men at this level because it sounds like an outlier kind of behavior.

01:12:10.920 but you're talking about this and I'm thinking about like JFK who had women everywhere all the 0.94

01:12:17.740 time compulsively like a sex addiction that also I think I truly believe that womanizers do not love 0.99

01:12:25.180 women they don't right women are there to scratch an itch they are interchangeable I mean Megan 1.00

01:12:32.360 could you imagine hundreds of women all over the world like like a beautiful movie star who is an 1.00

01:12:39.720 entrepreneur and very smart herself isn't enough for you, you know, but you need this arm candy 1.00

01:12:46.560 so that shareholders think you're a stable human being. That's like, I was thinking about Tiger

01:12:52.000 Woods, you know, and he's still doing, we know, do you know, as I just mentioned, Elon Musk and

01:12:59.860 this compulsion to make sure that his DNA is, is populating the earth to like a Genghis Khan level.

01:13:07.460 You know what I mean?

01:13:10.700 You've got to wonder what makes somebody like that tick.

01:13:13.660 And the ways in which, I mean, I would love to know the real story about Bill Gates and Melinda's divorce. 1.00

01:13:18.840 Oh, she clearly can't stand him. 0.99

01:13:21.900 I mean, you hear her talk about him now, and she's got nothing but disdain for him.

01:13:26.100 Obviously, he was romping around while they were married, and it's like—

01:13:31.800 But wasn't he also having a very long-term affair with someone high up at Microsoft?

01:13:36.620 Someone who Linda would be in board meetings with.

01:13:40.100 I mean, it wasn't enough that he was catting around on her.

01:13:42.760 He had to humiliate her in that way.

01:13:44.260 With like Epstein and friends.

01:13:46.160 With the Epstein, you know what I mean?

01:13:47.560 Yeah.

01:13:48.040 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:49.180 You mentioned womanizers are no fans of women. 1.00

01:13:54.460 That's an ultimate irony and true. 1.00

01:13:57.440 I wanted to bring up something about Bill Maher.

01:13:59.480 Yeah.

01:14:00.140 Because I know you've been unsparing of Bill Maher on the nerve,

01:14:03.460 And I'm very entertained by the whole show, as you know, including that.

01:14:07.320 Thank you.

01:14:08.080 I've been in the past defensive of Bill.

01:14:10.080 I've also been on the attack against Bill at various times in my career.

01:14:13.300 When I was much younger, I used to say he strikes me as a misogynist.

01:14:16.300 I used to say that.

01:14:17.600 And then he started having me on and he treated me well.

01:14:20.840 And I was like, all right, well, if he's a misogynist, why does he keep having me on and treating me well?

01:14:24.600 Like I'll take him based on his behavior toward me, you know, which has all been very positive and respectful.

01:14:31.480 and something interesting happened between the two of us within the past, I don't know, four

01:14:38.980 months. So I've never been anything but nice to Bill Maher since I've known him personally. I've

01:14:44.400 been very cordial to him. I've had him on the show many times. Well, once or twice. And I've

01:14:50.120 been on his show a few times. And he was one of the first, Maureen, to run to his microphone

01:14:57.420 and call me an anti-Semite because some small contingent of the neocon group started to call

01:15:05.260 me that because I don't know why. They just started calling me that because I wouldn't

01:15:09.400 defund Tucker Carlson is really what led them to call me that. I've never said anything anti-Semitic

01:15:14.420 in my life, nor do I feel any anti-Semitism, of course, at all in my heart. Literally,

01:15:19.460 my best friends are Jewish. But anyway, that's all it took. I mean, for Ben Shapiro to go out 0.94

01:15:26.500 there and like say, she's a coward at that turning point event in December. And it, that's it. He ran

01:15:32.760 to his microphone and on his show actually said, I was an anti-Semite and gee, it's amazing how

01:15:40.220 this thing is like lurking right behind the, the screen for so many of these people, you know,

01:15:46.740 just like that she turned and she's an anti. So he's a hypocrite because he does his whole 0.99

01:15:54.220 anti-woke thing. You know, like I don't like these labels. Who are these perfect people? He said when 1.00

01:16:00.180 he had me on after the whole blackface controversy, I don't like what they did to you. This is so

01:16:05.280 wrong. They want to tar and feather you. They call you these names and it's so wrong. It's a virtue

01:16:10.920 signal. It took him two minutes to do that to me when his favorite issue came up. Right. And I have

01:16:21.560 to say, it made me think back to like all the misogyny claims against him. Like, would he have

01:16:26.940 done that to a man? Was he too quick to jump on board the anti-MK train because I had humiliated

01:16:33.220 him a couple of times that, let's face it, both on my show and his, because he wasn't prepared.

01:16:37.960 He didn't have his facts about Hillary Clinton or about Donald Trump. We've had very infamous

01:16:42.320 viral exchanges and he hasn't done that well in them. And next thing I know, I mean, a second

01:16:48.520 later, that hypocrite turns on me and actually fucking has the nerve to use the anti-Semite 1.00

01:16:52.440 term on me, which is a damn lie. And if he bothered to look into it for two minutes, he'd know that. 1.00

01:16:59.800 Anyway, I just thought, as usual, Maureen is right.

01:17:03.300 Oh, I'm sorry. I don't enjoy being right in circumstances like this. This is the thing with

01:17:08.580 a guy like a Bill Maher. His show to me is a throwback to the kind of shows that would be

01:17:15.300 popular like I feel like the 70s was the last time where like a pop culture and kind of

01:17:20.400 intellectualism mixed and you would have people like a Christopher Buckley on a Dick Cavett with

01:17:25.660 like a John Lennon it was great and everybody would smoke and drink and bat around ideas and

01:17:30.860 like public intellectuals were on the cover of Time and his show used to be like that now he

01:17:35.780 kind of has just like this sort of rotating lazy Susan of predictable guests and you know they're

01:17:40.980 going to say and you know it bums me out because his show used to be spikier than it often is i

01:17:47.160 feel the same way he often will come to the table not terribly prepared at all um he'll he has more

01:17:54.160 male guests than female guests yeah probably for a reason guests he has often seem a little bit

01:17:59.180 cowed by him or he'll talk to them in ways he just doesn't talk to male guests like he'll roll his

01:18:04.460 eyes at a female guest, and he would never do that to a male. But I just love, I love that Bill,

01:18:12.260 it's so funny when he says something like, it's just lurking behind. Bill's podcast is just about

01:18:19.560 Bill's perseverations on not getting laid in high school and college. I think that's really the root

01:18:26.400 of his misogyny. He's super, super proud of himself that his girlfriend is something like

01:18:30.160 40 years younger than he is like is that al pacino sloppy seconds is this the woman i don't know who

01:18:35.860 she is but he's pretty quick to tell you that he's dating somebody that much younger than he is i mean

01:18:40.020 he loves that fact so again like how how pro women so on his podcast this most recent one we did he

01:18:46.840 was like he was um castigating the women of la for thinking that they could approach a bill maher

01:18:53.200 and expect to level up by dating him and he literally says you know what you're not that

01:18:58.500 special all you have to offer is you're cute and you're a dime a dozen and why don't you try

01:19:03.580 cracking a book and it's like where's this guy looking for women like on pornhub yeah there's

01:19:09.900 a lot very smart not grinder that's a whole other color that's how you look for women right 0.52

01:19:14.880 that's that's no that's for gay men yeah but uh you know but i'm just saying i he's he's not it's 0.95

01:19:20.640 not like he's looking he's not a ted turner looking for even if it's you know in some ways

01:19:26.720 cosmetic i'm sure their relationship was real on many levels the fascinating thing about ted and

01:19:31.980 jane i was thinking about it this morning they both have said that they were like the loves of

01:19:36.460 each other's life yes i would bet they really did connect very deeply on their very broken

01:19:42.480 childhoods yes and them and she she sounds like she was willing to mother him like oh yeah she

01:19:49.120 knew he needed it and she was willing to give it but it was never enough like no matter what she

01:19:54.340 gave him, he was still going to philander. And, you know, she's a strong, proud woman. At some

01:19:58.960 point, maybe you can't look past it. You know, she clearly tried, but after 10 years, let's face it,

01:20:04.740 after that point, you're at the point where you're either making a deeper connection or you're

01:20:08.560 splitting, you know? And it sounds like she looked around and said, this is too exhausting. He's just,

01:20:13.840 he's not worth it. Or too humiliating, or he got somebody pregnant. Like something happened where

01:20:17.880 like you just cannot come back from it, you know? Or he got caught maybe with somebody under,

01:20:22.660 You just never know with these guys because it's never enough.

01:20:25.560 Like the dopamine hits, they stop hitting.

01:20:27.780 And I think that's why we see so much like truly scandalous behavior where they're ramping up, they're constantly pushing boundaries and almost like daring the culture to catch them.

01:20:41.940 I don't know.

01:20:42.360 I know so many women over the course of my life who really think it's the be-all, end-all to bag a billionaire, you know, to land a man with a shit ton of money.

01:20:55.160 And I know some men who have a ton of money, who have been out on many, many dates and so on.

01:21:00.780 And one of them said it best when he went out with one of these women.

01:21:05.760 He said she felt like she was looking for a solution.

01:21:09.720 and i was like that is such a good line right like she's not there for you she wants you as

01:21:16.260 as a solution to her problems no one should marry somebody who's looking for a solution right like

01:21:20.540 it's like you should be marrying somebody who complements your life with whom you get along 1.00

01:21:24.020 who stimulates you intellectually and physically and all that um but i swear if these women would 1.00

01:21:30.920 just look for somebody who would treat them well who had some modicum of mental health to start 1.00

01:21:35.880 with and who would treat them well and fell in love with them. Not because they could compliment

01:21:41.600 their life or not because they had stars in their eyes over them because they were these rich,

01:21:45.860 successful men. I think these women would be so much happier. I don't think aiming to marry a man

01:21:51.540 with money is a good aim at all. I think it will actually really make you quite miserable. 0.69

01:21:56.200 Oh, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. Honestly, the idea of marrying a billionaire 0.93

01:22:00.300 terrifies me. I think that is such a big, different kind of life with a whole kind of

01:22:06.280 apparatus around it and like ego. And I don't know. I just, I think that the healthy reaction

01:22:12.020 would be to say, to step back for a moment and say, is, is this truly for me? Like, could I

01:22:17.500 handle this? Like you get folded in, you don't get, you don't join in a partnership.

01:22:21.540 You're going to be absorbed into an ecosystem that's preexisting. And a billionaire has like

01:22:26.020 a very specific kind of mindset. And of course, I'm not trying to paint with a broad brush,

01:22:33.040 but I'll never forget years and years and years ago, I was at a party and I didn't quite understand

01:22:38.140 what was happening until it clicked into place for me. It was a man I knew for a long time.

01:22:46.640 I didn't know that this guy had any necessarily romantic designs on me. And then

01:22:52.060 flash forward to his divorce, had a party at his new place, invited me. I went, I thought,

01:23:00.600 oh, my friend is having a party. I didn't quite understand the wealth that he came from. I didn't

01:23:05.780 know about it. He didn't advertise it. And when I learned about it, that was something I liked.

01:23:09.980 I was like, oh, he doesn't advertise it. I still wasn't interested in him in that way.

01:23:14.020 But at a certain point in the evening, my conversation with him was interrupted

01:23:17.900 by another man who was basically like now it's time now and there was a line that formed

01:23:25.360 all the way back to the back of the townhouse and it was young women come shake hands meet

01:23:32.480 make eye contact okay you go that here here comes the next one it was like a per it was

01:23:36.780 a parade of potential contestants and then it and i was like well i was young i was like in my 20s

01:23:42.560 like i was like wow like i that was something i had never seen before and i was like there's a

01:23:47.220 there's a level. I saw behind a little bit of a curtain. You know, I don't, there, I'm not going

01:23:53.140 to say who this is, but there is a very, very well-known power broker in New York who continues

01:24:00.460 through his assistant to ask me to come and be part of some sort of round table group that gets

01:24:08.160 to ask him questions over a meal. And I continue to say, no, thank you. I'm not doing that. If he's

01:24:17.080 ever coming through Connecticut and he wants to meet for a coffee, I'll consider it. But I'm not

01:24:22.360 going and joining some harem of media people for the privilege of asking him a question. There are

01:24:30.320 lots of people who would love for me to ask them many questions. They come on this show and I give

01:24:34.500 them my platform and we have a great time. But what the hell, like the level of hubris of some

01:24:39.340 of these big swingers, you know, in New York or in California is kind of galling. And they have

01:24:47.780 only too many people around them who are willing to play right into it. Whether you're the one who

01:24:51.360 lines up the harem to shake the hand at the end of the party, or you're the one who plans the

01:24:55.740 dinner parties where the treasured guests may get the privilege of asking one question of their host

01:25:01.920 as they, I guess, listen for the rest of the time to the host ramble on about his thoughts on life.

01:25:06.760 I'm good. Thanks. Okay. This has been very therapeutic. We're going to take a quick break

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01:27:46.860 before we go here. Don Lemon spoke to Kara Swisher at some summit over in London. And wait

01:27:54.540 until you hear what he said, SOT17. So Kash Patel wouldn't survive a Lemon administration?

01:28:02.460 Kash Patel would not. Kash Patel, nor Pete Hegseth, nor Pam Bondi.

01:28:07.840 Well, you outlasted her.

01:28:09.120 Yeah, I know. None of those people would ever be in a Don Lemon administration.

01:28:15.700 It would actually be on meritocracy.

01:28:18.420 All right.

01:28:18.640 Away from this ridiculous speculation, would you ever consider running for office?

01:28:22.840 Yeah, I would.

01:28:24.780 I would.

01:28:25.200 I don't know why.

01:28:26.260 Yeah.

01:28:26.820 Wow. 0.99

01:28:27.900 But you're going to go right to frigging president? 0.99

01:28:30.300 Well, why not? 0.99

01:28:31.040 Why not?

01:28:31.900 All right.

01:28:32.600 I mean, I'm a man of a certain age.

01:28:34.200 I've been around long enough.

01:28:35.360 I've worked hard.

01:28:37.700 You laugh.

01:28:38.660 I know people laugh, but I'm a completely self-made person.

01:28:42.000 I did not come from a wealth.

01:28:43.280 I did not have $400 million to start.

01:28:45.180 I've made it to the top of my profession, and I've also started a business, and I'm

01:28:53.360 a self-made millionaire from a country where my ancestors were enslaved.

01:28:58.980 Oh, my Lord.

01:29:00.580 Could we be that lucky?

01:29:02.180 Do it, Don.

01:29:03.160 I believe in you.

01:29:04.280 Do it.

01:29:05.740 I just want to salute Kara Swisher's bravery in sitting with Don Lemon, since as we know

01:29:11.740 in the world, according to Don, women are past their peak at 50 something or prime. So, you know,

01:29:19.620 it's kind of, it's just this whole little ecosystem of these people just buffering each

01:29:25.360 other constantly, you know, oh, Don, you totally have what it takes to be president. Are you going

01:29:30.060 to go straight to president? Well, I guess why not? And Don, who, you know, slightly before his

01:29:35.700 firing, I'll never forget this image of him at New York Fashion Week. And he was standing in

01:29:39.520 the center of a bunch of paparazzi and he had like his camel $2,000 coat hanging off of his

01:29:46.820 shoulders and he was holding up both hands to show off his bejeweled fingers. And he was a CNN anchor

01:29:53.460 at the time. It made it to the top of his profession. Did you? This guy, again, the

01:30:00.180 delusion. I love it. And also very rumored reportedly to be very handsy out in where he's

01:30:06.260 got a home in Sag Harbor. Married though he may be, apparently there's no shortage of male

01:30:11.080 waitstaff out in Sag Harbor who've been accosted by the one and only Don Lemon, reportedly.

01:30:15.840 Here's the other thing. He makes himself sound like Trump, right? Like self-made millionaire,

01:30:23.760 although Trump received some help from his dad. But he hadn't just sat at a cable news desk,

01:30:29.400 which is near as I can tell is all Don Lemon has ever done. He didn't have some career before he

01:30:35.460 and had journalism. He just sat at the news desk and tried to look pretty and didn't do a very good

01:30:41.620 job of it, was very dumb on the air. Everyone knew he was the dumbest person there and kept 1.00

01:30:46.380 advancing because he kept reminding everybody he was black and he was gay, which worked for some 1.00

01:30:50.280 time until it didn't. And now thinks that those things qualify him to run for president. So in 0.91

01:30:55.200 any event, he's wrong. Donald Trump had built a fortune. He had built an empire. He had a casino.

01:30:59.240 know, uh, you know, he was a casino magnet. He had a line of hotels. The Trump name was ubiquitous

01:31:05.000 in America. He also hosted the number one show for 10 plus years on NBC, not CNN primetime cable,

01:31:12.580 but you know, the apprentice, which was all about money-making and businesses and so on.

01:31:16.820 In any event, uh, just because Trump did, it doesn't make it easy, right? Trump has like

01:31:21.900 weird, savvy gift for politics and messaging and marketing and how to reach people. Don Lemon does

01:31:31.240 not have these gifts. So he's diluting himself and it's kind of interesting. Now, speaking of

01:31:35.560 journalists in the news, Sharon Alfonsi is a correspondent on 60 Minutes. She recently had a

01:31:40.900 dust up with Barry Weiss at CBS. She's the new chief over there. And it was over Sharon Alfonsi's

01:31:47.740 piece on CICOT, the prison where we're keeping people, well, we're sending people over in El

01:31:53.480 Salvador and they're being kept there, alleged Venezuelan gang members who have been in the

01:31:57.480 United States illegally. Barry Weiss held Sharon Alfonsi's piece for a few weeks because she

01:32:03.660 allegedly wanted to make it more fair and balanced to Trump. Sharon Alfonsi and many others, 60

01:32:07.400 Minutes, took umbrage with that saying it was fine. She barely did anything to it. And by the way,

01:32:13.680 she had five screenings she could have gone to to raise these objections. She skipped them all

01:32:17.480 And then at the last minute was like, we're pulling it and unnecessarily gave Alfonsi and CBS and 60 Minutes a black eye.

01:32:25.120 Now there is a report that she is lawyering up and has reportedly contacted my lawyer, Brian Friedman, Justin Baldoni's lawyer, to represent her in a suit that she is getting ready to file against Barry Weiss, who reportedly is about to fire her or let her contract expire, which it does within the next 30 days.

01:32:48.240 This is according to page six. So you tell me what that tells you. I mean, to me, it's like

01:32:56.040 Barry Weiss is loathed within the building at CBS. And some management of the zoo animals

01:33:03.980 is really required when you are the new boss. You can't just treat them like they're caged

01:33:09.840 animals and shove the food in there and let them sit in their own slop. You actually have to be

01:33:14.400 kind and respectful and somewhat nurturing of them and their work product. Or when you treat

01:33:21.900 them like a zoo animal, they're going to come back against you. Like you're in for it. It's just,

01:33:26.600 to me, she doesn't get it. She doesn't get how to manage talent.

01:33:29.100 You can't fire the whole newsroom and you can't alienate the whole newsroom.

01:33:33.580 And this was her MO over at the Free Press, my understanding. Terrible, terrible at managing

01:33:41.720 people. Convinced that she is always right. Does not take to questioning or criticism.

01:33:51.300 I think also when you come in at a level like that, it is your job to go and have lunch or

01:33:59.020 coffee with your top talent. Talk to them, see where they are, where they want to be,

01:34:04.120 issues they're having. Make it clear that you want to work with them. You want to be a place

01:34:08.700 they can come to. Or if you've got issues with how this thing is running, you know, what do you

01:34:13.040 think? It's that kind of, I just think the Ellisons are having major buyer's remorse. 1.00

01:34:17.820 That stunt she pulled with Sharon Alfonsi, that never really sat right. Because what Sharon and

01:34:24.780 her producers also said, and many in the newsroom, was that they had gone to the Trump administration

01:34:29.880 many times to get officials on the air to talk for this segment, and they refused.

01:34:35.120 Or at least an on-the-record statement.

01:34:36.540 Right. And Barry was like, well, you should go back again. And, you know, the reporter in them is like, how many times do I go back? Like, I'm not.

01:34:43.040 And they were saying you can't spike a story just because the administration won't comment on it.

01:34:47.040 That is true. That is true. Exactly.

01:34:49.820 To me, it's you can't as the manager spike a reporter's story because you fail to look at it the five times it was screened.

01:34:58.960 Right. Like because you failed to find the deficiency until the night before it was supposed to be aired.

01:35:03.120 You're setting the reporter up for an unnecessary embarrassment. 1.00

01:35:07.080 That's what she did to Sharon Alfonsi.

01:35:09.180 Whether you like the piece or not, like you missed your window to weigh in.

01:35:14.060 Now you're going to embarrass the entire network unnecessarily. 0.59

01:35:17.180 And that's what she did to her.

01:35:19.120 But she's reportedly angry because Alfonsi leaked the story to the media about what Barry did.

01:35:25.040 And reportedly Barry wanted an investigation and she wanted her to potentially be sued over leaking.

01:35:30.580 this is a news organization who's upset about leaks. I'm sorry, but that's kind of our business.

01:35:36.800 You don't make a federal case out of it when it's literally your business to try to encourage leaks

01:35:42.600 to you, even though sometimes they may come out about you. It just feels like sophomore in high

01:35:49.860 school territory. Correct me if I'm wrong. First of all, if I had been that reporter, I would truly

01:35:54.380 wonder if the head of the newsroom was trying to sabotage me. Missing five screenings and then

01:36:02.360 pulling it the night before when, guess what? It leaked in Canada. The Canadians saw it. So now

01:36:07.940 you look even sloppier than that. Secondly, I don't think Barry Weiss has ever, ever worked

01:36:13.220 as an investigative reporter. I don't think she's ever done a door knock. She's never worked in

01:36:18.320 television. Parachuted into a field. She was an opinion columnist. It's a very comfy, cozy job.

01:36:24.380 She doesn't know what she's doing.

01:36:26.320 She doesn't know the basics of investigative journalism. 0.78

01:36:29.440 Yeah, no.

01:36:30.100 And she doesn't know anything about television.

01:36:31.620 And it actually is a specific art form that you do need to know a thing or two about in

01:36:36.100 order to do it well.

01:36:36.960 And it's not happening.

01:36:37.840 CBS has literally record low ratings across the board.

01:36:41.200 The morning show, the evening show, they have fallen precipitously since she took over.

01:36:45.620 I don't think these shows are going to make it.

01:36:47.060 And she's steadily running CBS into the ground.

01:36:50.600 Her new boss is the Ellisons may love her personally, but they're not going to have

01:36:54.020 any choice professionally, but to reevaluate this decision some point soon, because this is just,

01:36:58.520 it's a disaster for their flagship property, for their morning show, for their evening show,

01:37:03.000 and for their talent. Okay. I want to get to some good news. I think. Ridgeland Farms.

01:37:10.760 It's this place in Wisconsin. There were 1,500 beagles being used for animal testing.

01:37:19.460 It's so sad.

01:37:21.640 And this hero went in to this Wisconsin facility and stole the Beagles.

01:37:31.640 Like, all I can say is, good for you, sir.

01:37:36.540 Wayne Sung, H-S-I-U-N-G. 0.98

01:37:41.980 And he's now being charged with burglary because they did steal the Beagles. 1.00

01:37:46.420 But, of course, I think most of us are in favor of it.

01:37:48.800 This is him opening the door.

01:37:51.860 By the way, in 2025, a judge found probable cause

01:37:55.840 that this facility had broken Wisconsin anti-cruelty laws,

01:38:00.040 including certain medical procedures that were being done

01:38:02.940 without proper anesthesia and inadequate sanitation and ventilation.

01:38:08.320 And they got a slap on the wrist.

01:38:10.620 And this guy, Syung, said, you know what?

01:38:12.800 They got off too easy and thought this was a rescue mission

01:38:16.700 where they went in there and rescued, look at these beagles.

01:38:21.760 All these beagles, Big Ranch Dog Rescue

01:38:24.800 and the Center for a Humane Economy

01:38:28.500 reached a deal to rehouse the 1,500 dogs.

01:38:34.620 And there are many people who say it's theft, it's wrong.

01:38:38.160 You know, what did you think your shampoo was tested on

01:38:41.180 before it got to you?

01:38:42.740 Um, this guy has also stolen hens that are laying eggs. Do you eat eggs? Yes, I do. So does it make

01:38:50.120 me a hypocrite? I, maybe I'm wrong, but I see a difference between hens that are laying eggs that

01:38:57.540 we eat and beagles that are being abused with inappropriate anesthesia before we perform

01:39:04.420 procedures on them. That is so effed up. And I applaud this guy. I am completely on his side.

01:39:12.740 I, I, I, I'm just seeing this now because I did see.

01:39:16.720 Oh, look, this is a video of one of the beagles being taken to the beach by his new owner.

01:39:20.120 Before she put him down, she just brought him to the beach.

01:39:22.380 It was his first look at the ocean and he does the doggy paddle in her arms.

01:39:26.480 It's instinctual.

01:39:27.340 It's instinctive.

01:39:28.100 Look at him.

01:39:29.340 Look at him.

01:39:30.120 Oh, God.

01:39:30.680 Oh, the sweetest, sweetest baby.

01:39:35.180 Oh, these dogs, they're going to need a lot of love and a lot of special care because they've been, they've been abused.

01:39:40.640 They've come out of a trauma, and now they don't quite know they're safe.

01:39:44.180 Like, I hope that's not AI.

01:39:45.360 I hope that's real.

01:39:46.420 I see these things with animals, you know?

01:39:47.840 I know, you're right.

01:39:48.400 But, yeah, no, animal testing in general is terrible.

01:39:52.680 I can't believe, as we now enter the AI era, that it's going to be necessary to continue,

01:39:58.860 except in probably the most extreme kinds of testing, like in terms of looking for a

01:40:03.600 cure for cancer, et cetera.

01:40:05.660 But, no, it's a Robin Hood feel-good story, to be sure.

01:40:09.420 Yeah. I'm ready to adopt a beagle. And I do not need another dog, Maureen Callahan. I do not need

01:40:14.360 one. Well, from everything you say, Strudwick keeps you on your toes. So, you know, buyer beware,

01:40:21.120 I suppose, or adopter beware. You know, we love him. He's lucky he's so cute and so sweet.

01:40:28.080 But I'm thinking about getting one of those beagles. Great to see you, my friend. Have a

01:40:31.420 great weekend. So good to see you, Megan. Lots of love. Lots of love to all of you too. And happy

01:40:36.000 Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Have a great weekend and we'll see you all Monday.

01:40:41.600 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 08, 2026

The TRUTH About Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, Potential CBS Lawsuit, and Russini Scandal, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 1313

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