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00:00:12.160Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.
00:00:16.780We are learning that Blake Lively's settlement with Justin Baldoni was an even bigger disaster for the actress than we thought.
00:00:24.180we have the details. Plus, a top CBS host is reportedly out at the network and is, we are told,
00:00:32.540getting ready to sue and fight the new Barry Weiss regime. Plus, Don Lemon says he might run for
00:00:40.780president. Could we be that lucky? Joining me now to react to this and so much more here in the Red
00:00:47.260Studio is Maureen Callahan. She's host of The Nerve, which you can find right here on the MK
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00:02:16.380It's so good to see you. There's been so much happening and I've been like, I'm dying to talk
00:02:21.320to Megan. I know. I feel like let's start with a Met Gala because we both reacted to it, but we
00:02:26.560haven't talked to each other about it. And we have to start with Blake Lively because she's pretending
00:02:31.800that she got a massive victory in this settlement with Justin Baldoni this week when it's exactly0.90
00:02:36.960the opposite. She didn't get $1. Now she's making noise about wanting to sue for her attorney's
00:02:43.880So we'll see how that goes for her. But honestly, even if she were to get those, it would just restore what she spent. It's not a victory. It's not a win. It's not damages. Right. That she's getting for being allegedly wronged as she's been claiming for all this time.0.68
00:03:02.060So the day of the settlement, she thought that she would appear at the Met Gala and it would be her triumphant, you know, spike the ball moment, Maureen.0.92
00:03:12.300And instead, she humiliated herself by snapping out this poor male valet who is fluffing the train of her dress and let the mask down yet again on what a nasty person she is.0.95
00:03:40.420Because it makes me think of that moment.
00:03:42.240Remember after the Queen died and Harry and Meghan did that very strained walkabout with William and Catherine?
00:03:48.260And Meghan was receiving a bouquet of flowers from a regular British citizen and a mail handler came around to take them and she turned and she snapped at that guy.
00:07:05.720saccharine sweet voice with the reporter. It's an obvious compensation for the nastiness
00:07:13.280toward Kirstie from Norway, who she ripped on her non-existent baby bump and the nerve of her0.99
00:07:20.060having to ask about fashion, which is something Blake talks about incessantly and is obsessed
00:07:25.700with. I mean, every time I see her, she's got another Birkin bag. Like this woman's obsessed
00:07:30.400with her handbags and her rich spending on her wardrobe. But God forbid you actually just1.00
00:07:35.600loosen the mood a little, lighten it by asking her about it, you'll get shamed like this poor0.92
00:07:40.220Kirstie did. And so the acting at the top of the staircase was pathetic. It was stomach turning to0.99
00:07:46.720watch her. I'm shy. Like the, let's go back to the text exchange between, is it in here? Hold
00:07:54.680on a second. Between her and Taylor Swift after, like during the whole heat of that
00:08:01.940controversy, right? Where she was ripping on poor Justin Baldoni. No, it's not in the main packet.0.77
00:08:09.400Oh, you're reading my mind with this. That's exactly where I went to.
00:08:13.140She's so nasty. Hold on a second. I got to get it. Cause like if when you read the actual text1.00
00:08:18.240exchange, yeah, here it is. It was in both of these, I guess. Oh no. You know, you know where
00:08:22.880I was, why I'm not pulling it up in my packet. It is in my packet because it was from the Maureen
00:08:25.960Callahan piece, which is so good. Oh, thank you. Yeah. On the Daily Mail. I love your writing and
00:08:30.200i love your show as you know thank you and you too um yes you pointed out in your latest piece
00:08:35.160on the daily mail which everybody should read it's called blake lively is truly the worst
00:08:38.100of the worst in hollywood entitled delusional utterly loathsome and here's proof okay you
00:08:43.540point out that she writes when she had her secret meeting up in their uh penthouse hers and ryan
00:08:49.660reynolds with poor justin baldoni while they tried to steal his movie from him and steal the
00:08:53.640screenwriting from him, that she texted Taylor Swift before the meeting, asking Swift to say0.60
00:09:00.440that Swift was freaking out over a script rewrite that Blake Lively had done. And then she writes
00:09:06.640to Swift, having the greatest living storyteller unknowingly echo to him how much you love what
00:09:12.920we're doing, giving him credit as if he wrote them with me, will go such a long way. Swift,
00:09:19.640I'll do anything for you. You write after the meeting, Lively texted Swift. You were so epically heroic today. This clown falling for all of it, but also resisting it. You are the world's absolute greatest friend ever. I won the lottery. Swift, I won the lottery. You are the coolest person in the world, and you like me.
00:09:42.700maureen summation again these people are awful it is it is awful the setup this the self-celebration
00:09:51.080the disgusting narcissism of both of them right and it didn't end well for blake lively even in0.53
00:09:57.840that relationship either no that relationship is done um i have read i think very reliable
00:10:05.500reporting that blake thinks that she can salvage this relationship with taylor and that she can
00:10:10.260potentially get an invite to that wedding, which is taking place in New York City, which is where
00:10:15.160Blake and Ryan have their four or $5.7 million Tribeca loft. Yeah. So if she's a massive estate,
00:10:22.740it's either in Bedford or Northern Connecticut. Yeah, exactly. I mean, they have so much money
00:10:27.220and Taylor Swift, a self-made billionaire, and this is how they're talking to each other,
00:10:32.020how they're throwing their weight around, but also like the disgusting kind of like
00:10:37.660over the top effusiveness about how amazing each of them are to each other. It's like that.
00:10:44.940They're so, I just feel like they're so arrested. Like it feels very junior high. Yeah. You know,
00:10:49.980it's very, it's, it's, it's just, it's, it makes, it's like, it's uncomfortable to read.
00:10:53.940You point this out. I actually didn't know that you, you report, you say reports are that lively
00:10:58.680who named Swift godmother to three of her four children with Reynolds is not even on the guest
00:11:06.180list for swift summer wedding wedding in new york so she's not even going to make the guest
00:11:10.760list and she's named taylor godmother to three of her four children i'm sorry but that's weird0.90
00:11:15.900i agree all three that's star fucking that's what that is uh-huh right like i'm gonna get0.93
00:11:22.140the most famous woman i know and i'm gonna make her be tied to my family forever by giving her0.94
00:11:27.440this honored role i mean most people go with family for those things i mean you might go
00:11:32.800with somebody who you're really close with for God. Sure. But three out of the four, because you
00:11:38.140have no other friends other than this friend with whom you obviously just have a surface level
00:11:42.680relationship because it ended over these texts in the Baldoni case. Right. I mean, if you're
00:11:50.640really, really friends with somebody, you're there with them for the really difficult stuff1.00
00:11:54.660and you take culpability for your bullshit. But Taylor can't do that because it's a ding to her0.99
00:11:59.020image. Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't know how they got her out of being deposed. Do you remember1.00
00:12:04.100that? I know how. How? Because she didn't want anything to do with this case. Right. Quite
00:12:09.700clearly. And I think they basically struck a deal where they said, give us the texts and we'll leave
00:12:16.400you alone. Oh, and this is, you know, allegedly reportedly Maureen. But yeah, they they didn't
00:12:22.880want to harass Taylor, but they did want to see those text messages and they got them. And I think
00:12:28.040she was very unhappy with the way that Blake was writing about her and talking about her
00:12:33.120and actually threatening that she might be a part of this lawsuit. Like I, I, I think she was
00:12:38.520irritated that her name was thrown around so loosely by her dear, dear friend and mother of
00:12:43.880her godchildren, Blake Lively. You know what this reminds me of too, when you were saying how star
00:12:49.320fucky it is to name Taylor God mother to three of the four children. Um, Megan Markle, uh, naming0.83
00:12:57.840Tyler Perry, godfather to Archie, right?
00:13:27.840And to your point, they didn't know him.
00:13:29.920And now he's facing major lawsuits from men who are accusing him of sexual harassment and or worse.
00:13:38.080So know who you are naming the godfather of your children.
00:13:42.840It's the kind of thing you would know if you actually knew the person as opposed to just he's rich and he's famous.
00:13:50.920And I want my very famous son to be connected to this famous man.
00:13:55.500here he was uh right around the time tyler perry on being named the godfather it's not 10 this is
00:14:01.820from i think we'll call and we'll chat we'll talk about silly things and they were pretty serious
00:14:06.040on the phone i go okay what's going on i said well we'd like for you to be lily's godfather i go
00:14:11.440well i'd take a minute to take that in and right because we each other i'd be honored
00:14:19.220i'd absolutely be honored and i got off the phone took it all and then i called him back i go uh
00:14:25.480hold on a second. Does this mean we got to go over there and do all of that in the church with
00:14:32.120them and figure all that out? Because I don't want to do that. Maybe we can do a little private
00:14:35.920ceremony here and let that be that. And if you have to do it there, then it's okay.
00:14:41.700He knew. He knew what they were doing. It's overly familiar. It's an inappropriate boundary
00:14:47.540crossing. He's also though saying there, I think he's completely out of line saying,
00:14:52.540does this mean, if you want me to be the godfather, do I have to go over there to England,
00:15:00.380to the royals, to the palace, to the Church of England with them, which is very disrespectful.
00:15:07.280It's a depersonalization of the royals. He's basically saying, I'm all in with Meghan's
00:15:12.100version of events, which is that they're horribly racist. And not only that, Meghan and Harry
00:15:17.360rubber stamped him saying this in the Netflix doc. Oh, yeah. Well, they themselves in their
00:15:22.660Netflix doc said the whole country that voted for Brexit was racist. I mean, that is what they say
00:15:27.680in that piece, that their countrymen are racist if they wanted Brexit. They wanted that for
00:15:33.860England to leave the UK. So why wouldn't they put him on display? So Blake Lively now is back
00:15:39.920threatening. No sooner did she declare victory in this lawsuit, which is just such a blatant lie.
00:15:44.700Trust me. I mean, like, I, of course, am dear friends with Brian, but Justin's lawyer, but separate and apart from that friendship as a lawyer, I'm much more interested in getting things right than I am in being loyal to my friends when I do my commentary on the show.
00:16:00.000And there is no question that this is a resounding victory for Team Baldoni. She was suing him for four hundred million dollars, Maureen. And to make a point for all women, she did neither.
00:16:14.700She emerged as the villain and didn't get one red cent.1.00
00:16:18.020And even now she's going to push for her legal fees.1.00
00:16:20.600At best, she gets made whole on her legal expenses, but not on any damages caused by
00:16:26.960sexual harassment or retaliation or all the terrible damages she claims she lost on her
00:16:31.660brands like her liquor company because she was made a villain by herself.
00:16:37.660So you tell me whether she was in any way a victor here.
00:16:42.120I don't I would you would have to be in that mind to try to understand it I think it's probably an
00:16:48.460outgrowth of what I perceive to be just my opinion malignant narcissism they are never wrong if you
00:16:54.540are a malignant narcissist you are never wrong it's everybody else's fault people just don't
00:17:00.220understand and you know as you and I were talking about I think the last time I was here with you
00:17:04.840my main problem with this is the incalculable damage that Blake Lively has done to every
00:17:11.760other woman, especially in her Hollywood sphere, who wants to come forward with legitimate claims
00:17:18.140of sexual harassment or worse. Now it's going to be much harder to be believed. And it's no0.93
00:17:24.040accident that Justin Baldoni and his wife, who live in Nashville, where paparazzi are not just
00:17:30.060roaming the streets, were photographed holding hands, smiling in multiple public locations.
00:17:36.140That is Justin, I believe, telling us, the public, that he regards himself, he and his wife regard themselves as the true victors.
00:17:44.140And I think that's the right answer here.
00:17:46.780There is not a defendant on earth being sued for $400 million, given the chance to walk away with a settlement agreement paying nothing, who would not consider himself the victor, not a person on earth.
00:18:00.920She reportedly is the one who is desperate to settle.
00:18:04.720Brian Friedman actually gave an interview to TMZ saying that she was panicked because she didn't
00:18:11.460want to have to be cross-examined. Because when you are on the stand, Maureen, it's not like being
00:18:16.460at the top of the Met Gala stairs where you can say whatever the fuck you want to, true or not,0.95
00:18:22.640you have taken an oath to tell the truth and you are subjected to potential perjury charges0.64
00:18:27.700if you don't. So it's a very different situation when you are under the withering cross-examination
00:18:33.300of an experienced and very clever trial attorney like Brian Friedman on the stand in front of a
00:18:39.540jury than it is like when you're across from Kijersti from Norway, right? And she knew the
00:18:46.320stakes were going to be different. Brian had pointed out that, hold on a second, because I
00:18:50.940made a note about this, that she'd been caught lying repeatedly in the case. There were a couple
00:18:57.580of times where she did. And one of the most recent ones was she denied, I think, at her deposition
00:19:05.020that she ever asked anyone to destroy the dailies. Like when you film a movie, there are dailies
00:19:12.920that they look at every day. What did we shoot today? What's the video look like? And she said
00:19:17.940under oath at her deposition, she never asked anyone to destroy raw footage, reading here from
00:19:23.860TMZ from It Ends With Us. But an email from an executive at Sony shows that was a lie. She lied
00:19:32.600about that. During her deposition, which was July of last year, she was questioned whether she had
00:19:38.180asked anybody from Sony to destroy the dailies. She said no. She said no, I never asked anyone
00:19:43.340to destroy dailies. No. When asked if she ever requested anyone to instruct Sony on her behalf,
00:19:49.280She also replied, no, that she did not do that.
00:19:53.100However, the transcript of a message that was entered into evidence in the case from Sony executive Ange Giannetti to then president of Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, Josh Greenstein, from September 2024, about a month after the film's release, suggests otherwise.
00:20:10.940Giannetti writes, call me when you can, not urgent, but Blake asking us to destroy some of the dailies.
00:20:18.120She adds that she's never heard of a star doing this when no nudity was involved.
00:20:23.620It would make sense celebs wouldn't want clips of their private areas just floating around out there.
00:20:27.920But she says she wants to talk to Greenstein about what they will and will not do.
00:20:32.020And wrote she was going to ask a woman named Bridget to contact the vendors they were working with to delete the dailies.
00:20:37.780It is unclear if she went through with that plan.
00:20:40.640So here she is caught in just one example, red handed, obviously lying under oath.
00:20:46.860Can you imagine the number of inconsistencies they would have her on if she took that stand and this kind of thing played out in front of a jury?
00:20:56.180didn't she also lie it's my recollection before all the discovery when the taylor
00:21:03.720brouhaha was happening will taylor be dragged into this um i believe she had said there was no such
00:21:10.960planned meeting at the tribeca loft with justin invited up so that blake and ryan could bully him
00:21:19.640and threaten him yeah oh and then oh wait taylor actually was there but you know what happened she
00:21:24.140was just walking by. She just happened to be in the neighborhood. And Blake said, hey, why don't1.00
00:21:29.520you just come on up? And Taylor had no idea what was going on and sat there passively on a sofa
00:21:34.240because she's such a shrinking violet. Yeah. And that's Taylor's life. She's just meandering about0.99
00:21:38.780looking for plans. She's got nothing but free time. Nothing but free time. And then we find0.82
00:21:44.040out that this was a coordinated attack, that this was pre-planned and that when it was over,
00:21:48.720they were congratulating and high-fiving each other verbally about humiliating this guy and0.87
00:21:54.240lying to him and him buying it, you know, and it's just, it's all so disgusting. But I just0.80
00:21:59.680hope that in all of this, the person who I refer to on the nerve always as psycho arsonist Ryan
00:22:06.480Reynolds is not lost here. Yes. Explain why you call him that. When Ryan Reynolds was a teenage
00:28:46.640Thank you. We had so much fun doing it. And watching, again, a convention for the worst
00:28:53.520people in the world. Tina Fey said that one year, she said after having gone, that it was like,
00:28:59.000imagine yourself in the center of a room full of everyone you would like to punch in the face,
00:29:04.040that that's what it feels like in there. And all of these terrible people, Blake Lively,
00:29:11.160she's one of the absolute worst, in my opinion. Megan is too radioactive for that crowd.1.00
00:29:17.520Katy Perry got an invite, notwithstanding the fact that she's currently accused of sexually assaulting somebody and under criminal investigation.0.86
00:32:02.520i love that blue is like in this i own everything
00:32:08.180together this is warming my mother my like mommy heart
00:32:15.880it's not warming mine i love that blue is in her like i own everything okay
00:32:23.880her parents are beyonce and jay-z she literally does own everything and therefore it's not a
00:32:30.500virtue for her to be telegraphing with her body language that she's king of the world.
00:32:35.120She was born into it. In fact, what would be laudable would be some humility and possibly0.56
00:32:41.460something approaching a demure projection. But she's not capable of that because all they've
00:32:47.560done for her since she was born, Maureen, is try to make her an independent clicks generator.
00:32:53.240From the day she was born, my team reminded me that her dad, Jay-Z, released a song, Glory, which earned her a Guinness World Record for being the youngest person to have an entry on a billboard chart.
00:33:07.060Time dubbed her the most famous baby in the world.
00:33:11.340Carter made her feature film debut in 2024 in Mufasa, The Lion King, as a voice actress.
00:33:19.300She's also one of Beyonce's backup dancers.
00:40:51.540But honestly, if you read that New York Times article, which is very telling, it's just
00:40:56.120the old phrase, it talks about how she went, this is a woman, Amy Griffin, who's married
00:41:02.660to the richest man in New York, and they have billions.
00:41:05.720And she wrote this book, Gattel, a couple years ago, claiming it all came back to her,
00:41:09.740how she was raped repeatedly by a teacher, Mr. Mason, in Amarillo, Texas, where she grew
00:41:13.620up, one of the richest girls in town, one of the most privileged.
00:41:16.600With an intact family, those are not the girls this happens to.0.97
00:41:19.820Sadly, they always pick on the weak girls from families that are broken up because they know that they don't really have a solid home life to go home and complain about it to.
00:41:28.800But in any event, she claimed it happened to her.
00:41:32.140And then the New York Times started doing a deep dive on her after the nerve raised questions about whether any of this was true.
00:41:41.300And not only did they seem to echo your concerns, Maureen, but they actually found the girl on the wrong side of the tracks, who's now an adult, who then later came out and said, not only are these my memories, but she met with me like recently, right before she published the book, like a two-year period before.
00:41:59.620And she said, hey, let's both sign postcards to each other.
00:42:02.720Let's grab a postcard from this little cafe where we're having our coffee.
00:42:06.520And I'll put my address on the one that you send, and you do the same for me.
00:42:10.540And so I sent her one, you know, per her request, which Amy Griffin then uses in the book as evidence she allegedly believes that, like, another Me Too victim reached out to her.
00:42:32.220And none of those people, not Oprah, not the Today Show, none of them, Gwyneth, has done any cleanup on this story.
00:42:38.980Even after the New York Times gave her the double barrel treatment, first the original takedown piece and then the second one pointing out that fact about they found the woman and that postcard and all that.
00:43:33.540And I think two things were potentially going on.
00:43:36.720Jeff did not walk the red carpet with her or the green carpet because the reporting was he was surprised there was a backlash as if Blue Origin didn't tip him off last year that those of us who are still earthbound will not you and me.
00:43:58.700And then it looked like Anna Wintour did get her hands on her because, you know, in the hours before the Met Gala, Anna always hosts a press conference to say there's a Met Gala in a few hours, as if we don't know.
00:44:09.940And Lauren was looking very somber in this like vintage John Galliano.
00:44:52.400She was right behind President Trump. They moved that inauguration indoors because it was subzero temperatures or close to. And she had on the bustier, the white lace bustier with her enormous breasts spilling out the top and a very low cut white blazer.0.80
00:45:10.660And she actually tried to spin it to the times that she was really proud of her outfit as like demure and appropriate, you know, but then it got moved inside and oh, she was just shocked, shocked that her outfit became a story, you know, and she said, got it.
00:45:30.960don't wear lace to the inauguration. No, not it. You could wear lace. Don't show your tits.
00:45:40.660It's a little known rule. Maybe only we reporters get it. You're not supposed to show your boobs0.99
00:45:47.300at an inauguration. We saw everything but areola. And now she wants to play it off like,1.00
00:45:54.580whoopsie, it was just a little lace that happened to peek out because I was unexpectedly caught
00:45:59.700going inside instead of outside on the inauguration day, which by the way, we all knew the day before
00:46:06.260that it had been moved inside. My favorite shot from that entire thing was Mark Zuckerberg standing
00:46:11.560next to her going like, they're all children. You know, again, as you just said, oh, like
00:46:16.840reporters would know Lauren Sanchez began her career as a reporter. True. And then she was a
00:46:22.460helicopter pilot for like a Los Angeles, like a major affiliate out there. She was married to one
00:46:28.640of the most powerful talent agents in Hollywood, Patrick Whitesell, who has represented the likes
00:46:33.660of Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, I believe. You know, the idea that she's this fawn in the woods and
00:46:38.160then she begins an extramarital affair with Jeff Bezos and allegedly reportedly had it leaked to
00:46:44.540the Inquirer because Jeff wasn't moving fast enough with the divorce. You know, she's a fawn0.52
00:46:49.220in the woods. She had no idea. You're a woman. I'm a woman. We know how it feels when we get
00:46:54.660dressed and how things fall on the body. I know when my boobs are out. You know. Yeah, I know when
00:46:59.840my boobs are out. I don't really have any, but you know what I mean? It's like, you know, you're
00:47:03.740very sensitive about that stuff. And so just admit it, just be like. At the inauguration,
00:47:09.560you're right behind the president. I'm an exhibitionist. I like attention. I did not
00:47:14.580get enough hugs as a child. Yes. Give me more attention. Right. Honestly, it's all tied together
00:48:47.160got on this billionaire track i just think the billionaire track is weird for a woman to choose1.00
00:48:52.240it actually has the opposite effect on every woman instead of women becoming more beautiful0.99
00:48:56.920because now they've got access to billions they become very weird looking she's not the only one0.97
00:49:02.000you know i think of like elon musk who's impregnated like at least 500 women
00:49:06.680you know it's like it's just all the numbers high weird is it 500 i think it's got to be
00:49:11.480listen by the time his obituary is written yeah it'd be like thousands i mean like
00:49:16.180Like, if you don't know who your dad is or if you think it might be Elon Musk, you should definitely have, like, tests before you have sex with a stranger who's your age.0.96
00:50:01.620I do want to pick up that Jane Fonda thing because it was a fascinating interview in the wake of Ted Turner's death about their relationship.
00:52:04.700Can we pull over John Cassio's favorite soundbite of Eileen Goo, the butted soundbite, if we can find out what a terrible person she is?0.99
00:56:17.920Like, I guess good for them. Was this the Ashley
00:56:19.740Instagram interview? Yes. Aaron Rose Phillip. Now Aaron goes by Ariana. It's a man. Okay. It's a
00:56:27.720man. It's confusing because there's a lot of boxes checked in this particular- I didn't even clock
00:56:31.880that because this reminds me of, Anna Wintour is dying. This is not what Anna Wintour wants on her
00:56:39.220red carpet or her green carpet. Now look, I'm not making fun of this person because they're in a
00:56:44.060wheelchair or has cerebral palsy, but I am going to make fun of this absurd soundbite when you
00:56:49.840didn't understand, like, what is this person doing here? And they've been signed to elite
00:56:53.280models. I think it's elite. No, stop. Okay. All right. Sure. Um, now we get, we get to listen
00:56:59.040to Aaron Rose Phillip talk about himself. And do we have that soundbite? This is what he had to say.
00:57:07.320When I first started working, I was an anomaly to the industry, arguably in many ways today.
00:57:14.060Really, I still am. I think it's time to say the choir part out loud.
00:57:18.620The fashion industry is unlikely to book or pay black trans feminine and or physically disabled models to do runway, editorial and or campaign because of an absence of whiteness.0.99
00:57:54.800But that appearance at the Met Gala reminded me of there was an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, like at the peak of wokeness, where Larry David goes in to pitch something to Netflix.
01:11:36.900And so she's got this very, and, you know, she was prior to that, she's had several husbands, one of whom was Roger Vadim.
01:11:43.580Now she and her, she has a doorstopper autobiography that I have yet to get to, but I have been dying to get to it.
01:11:49.380She writes in that book about how he forced her or really insisted that she engage in threesomes.
01:11:57.100And I think that men at this level, I think it's – I would love like a longitudinal study of men at this level because it sounds like an outlier kind of behavior.
01:12:10.920but you're talking about this and I'm thinking about like JFK who had women everywhere all the0.94
01:12:17.740time compulsively like a sex addiction that also I think I truly believe that womanizers do not love0.99
01:12:25.180women they don't right women are there to scratch an itch they are interchangeable I mean Megan1.00
01:12:32.360could you imagine hundreds of women all over the world like like a beautiful movie star who is an1.00
01:12:39.720entrepreneur and very smart herself isn't enough for you, you know, but you need this arm candy1.00
01:12:46.560so that shareholders think you're a stable human being. That's like, I was thinking about Tiger
01:12:52.000Woods, you know, and he's still doing, we know, do you know, as I just mentioned, Elon Musk and
01:12:59.860this compulsion to make sure that his DNA is, is populating the earth to like a Genghis Khan level.
01:14:17.600And then he started having me on and he treated me well.
01:14:20.840And I was like, all right, well, if he's a misogynist, why does he keep having me on and treating me well?
01:14:24.600Like I'll take him based on his behavior toward me, you know, which has all been very positive and respectful.
01:14:31.480and something interesting happened between the two of us within the past, I don't know, four
01:14:38.980months. So I've never been anything but nice to Bill Maher since I've known him personally. I've
01:14:44.400been very cordial to him. I've had him on the show many times. Well, once or twice. And I've
01:14:50.120been on his show a few times. And he was one of the first, Maureen, to run to his microphone
01:14:57.420and call me an anti-Semite because some small contingent of the neocon group started to call
01:15:05.260me that because I don't know why. They just started calling me that because I wouldn't
01:15:09.400defund Tucker Carlson is really what led them to call me that. I've never said anything anti-Semitic
01:15:14.420in my life, nor do I feel any anti-Semitism, of course, at all in my heart. Literally,
01:15:19.460my best friends are Jewish. But anyway, that's all it took. I mean, for Ben Shapiro to go out0.94
01:15:26.500there and like say, she's a coward at that turning point event in December. And it, that's it. He ran
01:15:32.760to his microphone and on his show actually said, I was an anti-Semite and gee, it's amazing how
01:15:40.220this thing is like lurking right behind the, the screen for so many of these people, you know,
01:15:46.740just like that she turned and she's an anti. So he's a hypocrite because he does his whole0.99
01:15:54.220anti-woke thing. You know, like I don't like these labels. Who are these perfect people? He said when1.00
01:16:00.180he had me on after the whole blackface controversy, I don't like what they did to you. This is so
01:16:05.280wrong. They want to tar and feather you. They call you these names and it's so wrong. It's a virtue
01:16:10.920signal. It took him two minutes to do that to me when his favorite issue came up. Right. And I have
01:16:21.560to say, it made me think back to like all the misogyny claims against him. Like, would he have
01:16:26.940done that to a man? Was he too quick to jump on board the anti-MK train because I had humiliated
01:16:33.220him a couple of times that, let's face it, both on my show and his, because he wasn't prepared.
01:16:37.960He didn't have his facts about Hillary Clinton or about Donald Trump. We've had very infamous
01:16:42.320viral exchanges and he hasn't done that well in them. And next thing I know, I mean, a second
01:16:48.520later, that hypocrite turns on me and actually fucking has the nerve to use the anti-Semite1.00
01:16:52.440term on me, which is a damn lie. And if he bothered to look into it for two minutes, he'd know that.1.00
01:16:59.800Anyway, I just thought, as usual, Maureen is right.
01:17:03.300Oh, I'm sorry. I don't enjoy being right in circumstances like this. This is the thing with
01:17:08.580a guy like a Bill Maher. His show to me is a throwback to the kind of shows that would be
01:17:15.300popular like I feel like the 70s was the last time where like a pop culture and kind of
01:17:20.400intellectualism mixed and you would have people like a Christopher Buckley on a Dick Cavett with
01:17:25.660like a John Lennon it was great and everybody would smoke and drink and bat around ideas and
01:17:30.860like public intellectuals were on the cover of Time and his show used to be like that now he
01:17:35.780kind of has just like this sort of rotating lazy Susan of predictable guests and you know they're
01:17:40.980going to say and you know it bums me out because his show used to be spikier than it often is i
01:17:47.160feel the same way he often will come to the table not terribly prepared at all um he'll he has more
01:17:54.160male guests than female guests yeah probably for a reason guests he has often seem a little bit
01:17:59.180cowed by him or he'll talk to them in ways he just doesn't talk to male guests like he'll roll his
01:18:04.460eyes at a female guest, and he would never do that to a male. But I just love, I love that Bill,
01:18:12.260it's so funny when he says something like, it's just lurking behind. Bill's podcast is just about
01:18:19.560Bill's perseverations on not getting laid in high school and college. I think that's really the root
01:18:26.400of his misogyny. He's super, super proud of himself that his girlfriend is something like
01:18:30.16040 years younger than he is like is that al pacino sloppy seconds is this the woman i don't know who
01:18:35.860she is but he's pretty quick to tell you that he's dating somebody that much younger than he is i mean
01:18:40.020he loves that fact so again like how how pro women so on his podcast this most recent one we did he
01:18:46.840was like he was um castigating the women of la for thinking that they could approach a bill maher
01:18:53.200and expect to level up by dating him and he literally says you know what you're not that
01:18:58.500special all you have to offer is you're cute and you're a dime a dozen and why don't you try
01:19:03.580cracking a book and it's like where's this guy looking for women like on pornhub yeah there's
01:19:09.900a lot very smart not grinder that's a whole other color that's how you look for women right0.52
01:19:14.880that's that's no that's for gay men yeah but uh you know but i'm just saying i he's he's not it's0.95
01:19:20.640not like he's looking he's not a ted turner looking for even if it's you know in some ways
01:19:26.720cosmetic i'm sure their relationship was real on many levels the fascinating thing about ted and
01:19:31.980jane i was thinking about it this morning they both have said that they were like the loves of
01:19:36.460each other's life yes i would bet they really did connect very deeply on their very broken
01:19:42.480childhoods yes and them and she she sounds like she was willing to mother him like oh yeah she
01:19:49.120knew he needed it and she was willing to give it but it was never enough like no matter what she
01:19:54.340gave him, he was still going to philander. And, you know, she's a strong, proud woman. At some
01:19:58.960point, maybe you can't look past it. You know, she clearly tried, but after 10 years, let's face it,
01:20:04.740after that point, you're at the point where you're either making a deeper connection or you're
01:20:08.560splitting, you know? And it sounds like she looked around and said, this is too exhausting. He's just,
01:20:13.840he's not worth it. Or too humiliating, or he got somebody pregnant. Like something happened where
01:20:17.880like you just cannot come back from it, you know? Or he got caught maybe with somebody under,
01:20:22.660You just never know with these guys because it's never enough.
01:20:25.560Like the dopamine hits, they stop hitting.
01:20:27.780And I think that's why we see so much like truly scandalous behavior where they're ramping up, they're constantly pushing boundaries and almost like daring the culture to catch them.
01:20:42.360I know so many women over the course of my life who really think it's the be-all, end-all to bag a billionaire, you know, to land a man with a shit ton of money.
01:20:55.160And I know some men who have a ton of money, who have been out on many, many dates and so on.
01:21:00.780And one of them said it best when he went out with one of these women.
01:21:05.760He said she felt like she was looking for a solution.
01:21:09.720and i was like that is such a good line right like she's not there for you she wants you as
01:21:16.260as a solution to her problems no one should marry somebody who's looking for a solution right like
01:21:20.540it's like you should be marrying somebody who complements your life with whom you get along1.00
01:21:24.020who stimulates you intellectually and physically and all that um but i swear if these women would1.00
01:21:30.920just look for somebody who would treat them well who had some modicum of mental health to start1.00
01:21:35.880with and who would treat them well and fell in love with them. Not because they could compliment
01:21:41.600their life or not because they had stars in their eyes over them because they were these rich,
01:21:45.860successful men. I think these women would be so much happier. I don't think aiming to marry a man
01:21:51.540with money is a good aim at all. I think it will actually really make you quite miserable.0.69
01:21:56.200Oh, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. Honestly, the idea of marrying a billionaire0.93
01:22:00.300terrifies me. I think that is such a big, different kind of life with a whole kind of
01:22:06.280apparatus around it and like ego. And I don't know. I just, I think that the healthy reaction
01:22:12.020would be to say, to step back for a moment and say, is, is this truly for me? Like, could I
01:22:17.500handle this? Like you get folded in, you don't get, you don't join in a partnership.
01:22:21.540You're going to be absorbed into an ecosystem that's preexisting. And a billionaire has like
01:22:26.020a very specific kind of mindset. And of course, I'm not trying to paint with a broad brush,
01:22:33.040but I'll never forget years and years and years ago, I was at a party and I didn't quite understand
01:22:38.140what was happening until it clicked into place for me. It was a man I knew for a long time.
01:22:46.640I didn't know that this guy had any necessarily romantic designs on me. And then
01:22:52.060flash forward to his divorce, had a party at his new place, invited me. I went, I thought,
01:23:00.600oh, my friend is having a party. I didn't quite understand the wealth that he came from. I didn't
01:23:05.780know about it. He didn't advertise it. And when I learned about it, that was something I liked.
01:23:09.980I was like, oh, he doesn't advertise it. I still wasn't interested in him in that way.
01:23:14.020But at a certain point in the evening, my conversation with him was interrupted
01:23:17.900by another man who was basically like now it's time now and there was a line that formed
01:23:25.360all the way back to the back of the townhouse and it was young women come shake hands meet
01:23:32.480make eye contact okay you go that here here comes the next one it was like a per it was
01:23:36.780a parade of potential contestants and then it and i was like well i was young i was like in my 20s
01:23:42.560like i was like wow like i that was something i had never seen before and i was like there's a
01:23:47.220there's a level. I saw behind a little bit of a curtain. You know, I don't, there, I'm not going
01:23:53.140to say who this is, but there is a very, very well-known power broker in New York who continues
01:24:00.460through his assistant to ask me to come and be part of some sort of round table group that gets
01:24:08.160to ask him questions over a meal. And I continue to say, no, thank you. I'm not doing that. If he's
01:24:17.080ever coming through Connecticut and he wants to meet for a coffee, I'll consider it. But I'm not
01:24:22.360going and joining some harem of media people for the privilege of asking him a question. There are
01:24:30.320lots of people who would love for me to ask them many questions. They come on this show and I give
01:24:34.500them my platform and we have a great time. But what the hell, like the level of hubris of some
01:24:39.340of these big swingers, you know, in New York or in California is kind of galling. And they have
01:24:47.780only too many people around them who are willing to play right into it. Whether you're the one who
01:24:51.360lines up the harem to shake the hand at the end of the party, or you're the one who plans the
01:24:55.740dinner parties where the treasured guests may get the privilege of asking one question of their host
01:25:01.920as they, I guess, listen for the rest of the time to the host ramble on about his thoughts on life.
01:25:06.760I'm good. Thanks. Okay. This has been very therapeutic. We're going to take a quick break
01:25:12.280and we're going to come back with Maureen right after this. Don't go away.
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01:27:42.480Maureen Callahan, host of The Nerve, is back with me now. We've got a couple of good ones to get to
01:27:46.860before we go here. Don Lemon spoke to Kara Swisher at some summit over in London. And wait
01:27:54.540until you hear what he said, SOT17. So Kash Patel wouldn't survive a Lemon administration?
01:28:02.460Kash Patel would not. Kash Patel, nor Pete Hegseth, nor Pam Bondi.
01:29:05.740I just want to salute Kara Swisher's bravery in sitting with Don Lemon, since as we know
01:29:11.740in the world, according to Don, women are past their peak at 50 something or prime. So, you know,
01:29:19.620it's kind of, it's just this whole little ecosystem of these people just buffering each
01:29:25.360other constantly, you know, oh, Don, you totally have what it takes to be president. Are you going
01:29:30.060to go straight to president? Well, I guess why not? And Don, who, you know, slightly before his
01:29:35.700firing, I'll never forget this image of him at New York Fashion Week. And he was standing in
01:29:39.520the center of a bunch of paparazzi and he had like his camel $2,000 coat hanging off of his
01:29:46.820shoulders and he was holding up both hands to show off his bejeweled fingers. And he was a CNN anchor
01:29:53.460at the time. It made it to the top of his profession. Did you? This guy, again, the
01:30:00.180delusion. I love it. And also very rumored reportedly to be very handsy out in where he's
01:30:06.260got a home in Sag Harbor. Married though he may be, apparently there's no shortage of male
01:30:11.080waitstaff out in Sag Harbor who've been accosted by the one and only Don Lemon, reportedly.
01:30:15.840Here's the other thing. He makes himself sound like Trump, right? Like self-made millionaire,
01:30:23.760although Trump received some help from his dad. But he hadn't just sat at a cable news desk,
01:30:29.400which is near as I can tell is all Don Lemon has ever done. He didn't have some career before he
01:30:35.460and had journalism. He just sat at the news desk and tried to look pretty and didn't do a very good
01:30:41.620job of it, was very dumb on the air. Everyone knew he was the dumbest person there and kept1.00
01:30:46.380advancing because he kept reminding everybody he was black and he was gay, which worked for some1.00
01:30:50.280time until it didn't. And now thinks that those things qualify him to run for president. So in0.91
01:30:55.200any event, he's wrong. Donald Trump had built a fortune. He had built an empire. He had a casino.
01:30:59.240know, uh, you know, he was a casino magnet. He had a line of hotels. The Trump name was ubiquitous
01:31:05.000in America. He also hosted the number one show for 10 plus years on NBC, not CNN primetime cable,
01:31:12.580but you know, the apprentice, which was all about money-making and businesses and so on.
01:31:16.820In any event, uh, just because Trump did, it doesn't make it easy, right? Trump has like
01:31:21.900weird, savvy gift for politics and messaging and marketing and how to reach people. Don Lemon does
01:31:31.240not have these gifts. So he's diluting himself and it's kind of interesting. Now, speaking of
01:31:35.560journalists in the news, Sharon Alfonsi is a correspondent on 60 Minutes. She recently had a
01:31:40.900dust up with Barry Weiss at CBS. She's the new chief over there. And it was over Sharon Alfonsi's
01:31:47.740piece on CICOT, the prison where we're keeping people, well, we're sending people over in El
01:31:53.480Salvador and they're being kept there, alleged Venezuelan gang members who have been in the
01:31:57.480United States illegally. Barry Weiss held Sharon Alfonsi's piece for a few weeks because she
01:32:03.660allegedly wanted to make it more fair and balanced to Trump. Sharon Alfonsi and many others, 60
01:32:07.400Minutes, took umbrage with that saying it was fine. She barely did anything to it. And by the way,
01:32:13.680she had five screenings she could have gone to to raise these objections. She skipped them all
01:32:17.480And then at the last minute was like, we're pulling it and unnecessarily gave Alfonsi and CBS and 60 Minutes a black eye.
01:32:25.120Now there is a report that she is lawyering up and has reportedly contacted my lawyer, Brian Friedman, Justin Baldoni's lawyer, to represent her in a suit that she is getting ready to file against Barry Weiss, who reportedly is about to fire her or let her contract expire, which it does within the next 30 days.
01:32:48.240This is according to page six. So you tell me what that tells you. I mean, to me, it's like
01:32:56.040Barry Weiss is loathed within the building at CBS. And some management of the zoo animals
01:33:03.980is really required when you are the new boss. You can't just treat them like they're caged
01:33:09.840animals and shove the food in there and let them sit in their own slop. You actually have to be
01:33:14.400kind and respectful and somewhat nurturing of them and their work product. Or when you treat
01:33:21.900them like a zoo animal, they're going to come back against you. Like you're in for it. It's just,
01:33:26.600to me, she doesn't get it. She doesn't get how to manage talent.
01:33:29.100You can't fire the whole newsroom and you can't alienate the whole newsroom.
01:33:33.580And this was her MO over at the Free Press, my understanding. Terrible, terrible at managing
01:33:41.720people. Convinced that she is always right. Does not take to questioning or criticism.
01:33:51.300I think also when you come in at a level like that, it is your job to go and have lunch or
01:33:59.020coffee with your top talent. Talk to them, see where they are, where they want to be,
01:34:04.120issues they're having. Make it clear that you want to work with them. You want to be a place
01:34:08.700they can come to. Or if you've got issues with how this thing is running, you know, what do you
01:34:13.040think? It's that kind of, I just think the Ellisons are having major buyer's remorse.1.00
01:34:17.820That stunt she pulled with Sharon Alfonsi, that never really sat right. Because what Sharon and
01:34:24.780her producers also said, and many in the newsroom, was that they had gone to the Trump administration
01:34:29.880many times to get officials on the air to talk for this segment, and they refused.
01:34:35.120Or at least an on-the-record statement.
01:34:36.540Right. And Barry was like, well, you should go back again. And, you know, the reporter in them is like, how many times do I go back? Like, I'm not.
01:34:43.040And they were saying you can't spike a story just because the administration won't comment on it.