The Megyn Kelly Show - The Truth about Del Rio and the Migrant Crisis with Dennis Michael Lynch, Stephanie Crisp-Canales, and Brandon Darby ｜ Ep. 165

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.120 The crisis at our southern border is growing more concerning as the days pass.

00:00:20.220 Associated Press is now reporting those Haitian migrants that were in Del Rio, Texas, are being released into America.

00:00:26.980 Very few have been sent back to Haiti as the Biden administration advertised.

00:00:31.840 They want us to believe they've got all these folks on planes going back home.

00:00:34.320 It's not true. Only a handful have been.

00:00:37.100 My first guest today is Dennis Michael Lynch.

00:00:39.860 He is the host of the Dennis Michael Lynch podcast and founder of the DML News app.

00:00:45.360 And he's been covering the border and illegal immigration since 2010.

00:00:49.440 He's produced four films on the topic with a fifth about to be released.

00:00:53.560 Dennis, so great to see you again. How are you?

00:00:55.240 Megan, it's great to be with you. It's been too long.

00:00:57.740 It's crazy what's happening now at the southern border.

00:01:00.060 And you're the perfect person to talk to this about.

00:01:02.140 Your documentary films, They Come to America, we used to feature them on Fox, on The Kelly File, on America Live before that.

00:01:08.600 And so, you know, unlike most of us, you've been down there repeatedly and you understand this region and this problem acutely and truly on an expert level.

00:01:18.360 This is what we know.

00:01:19.700 In the last fiscal year, nearly 28,000 Haitians have been intercepted by Border Patrol.

00:01:25.480 It was only 4,400 the year before.

00:01:27.540 It was only 2,000 the year before that.

00:01:29.160 OK, so we are way the hell up just to kick things off before we got to this crisis with the bridge.

00:01:34.480 Down under this bridge in Del Rio, Texas, started off with 400 of these migrants, then up to 4,000 very quickly, then 10,000, then 16,000, which people who watch this area say is unprecedented.

00:01:47.500 This is not some media invented story.

00:01:49.660 This is huge.

00:01:50.360 This is dangerous.

00:01:51.460 This is dangerous, and we don't know how to deal with it.

00:01:53.820 Now it's reportedly down to 8,000, and the Biden administration is telling us, it's great.

00:01:57.640 They're flying the migrants back to Haiti. 1.00

00:01:59.260 Don't you worry.

00:02:00.020 They're putting them on planes.

00:02:01.000 They're going back home to Haiti. 1.00

00:02:02.160 They're on it.

00:02:03.180 And now we learn, Dennis, it's not true that only a handful have been put on the planes back to Haiti, and the rest have been released into the good old U.S. of A.

00:02:11.900 with a little notice saying, okay, can't wait to see you at your asylum hearing.

00:02:15.900 They're never coming back, Megan.

00:02:17.440 You know that.

00:02:17.920 Look, you know, I've been doing this immigration thing since 2009.

00:02:22.220 Nothing ever changes.

00:02:23.740 It's always the same thing.

00:02:25.400 Today we're talking about the Haitians.

00:02:26.940 Tomorrow we're talking about the Guatemalans.

00:02:28.700 The next day we'll be talking about people from the Middle East.

00:02:30.820 It has always been the same thing.

00:02:33.580 I did a Facebook Live on Saturday, and I mean, it went viral.

00:02:37.740 Why did it go viral?

00:02:38.640 Because Biden and the whole administration came out and said, no, we're going to be deporting them.

00:02:43.000 And I said exactly what was going to take place.

00:02:45.260 He's going to send home a few because he's going to get those headlines.

00:02:48.560 It's all the window dressing, and the rest of them will be released into somewhere USA. 0.99

00:02:52.600 They're going to go out there.

00:02:53.440 They're going to be spreading COVID.

00:02:54.600 They're going to be spreading all the other different diseases they come in with, and there's a lot of diseases, Megan.

00:02:59.180 And it's the same thing.

00:03:01.340 Every single year, every single president, it is always the same thing.

00:03:06.000 And the thing that gets me about this, look at anything in our lives.

00:03:10.140 There's always advancement.

00:03:11.600 Sometimes, Megan, that advancement comes slower or it just comes whether you like it or not.

00:03:16.380 Give you an example, right?

00:03:17.280 Here, you and I talk about immigration.

00:03:19.220 We used to be with all the big cameras.

00:03:21.060 Now we do it because technology lets us do it through computer screens on my end.

00:03:25.420 Everything in this country has made an advancement at some point except for the border.

00:03:30.120 The border is the only thing that we could always look at and say, why does it continue to get worse?

00:03:34.800 And the reason why it gets worse, whether it's Haitians or somebody else, is because there is no will to stop these people from coming into our country. 1.00

00:03:45.280 There's no will on either side.

00:03:48.500 Now, what about that?

00:03:49.120 Because I know you've been critical of Trump, and you were a Trump supporter, and Biden when it comes to this issue.

00:03:54.480 So why?

00:03:55.780 Because, you know, I'm nowhere near as close to it as you are, but my feeling is Trump did a lot more to prevent illegal immigration and crack down on those crossing our border unlawfully, certainly than Obama before him or Biden after him.

00:04:10.120 Yes and no.

00:04:10.740 So I listened to an interview you did with Stephen Miller.

00:04:14.620 I think it was about a week or two ago.

00:04:16.160 Excuse me if I got the dates wrong.

00:04:17.780 Yeah.

00:04:18.040 But I found it astonishing, and I found it troubling.

00:04:23.300 And I'm not looking to pick on him individually.

00:04:25.820 It's always the same.

00:04:26.800 If you go back and look at Donald J.

00:04:29.520 Trump's books that he had written prior to actually winning the presidency, if you go back and you look at all the speeches he gave on illegal immigration, take out the great chant of build the wall.

00:04:41.320 What you heard this president say before he was the president was that he was going to put in a multifaceted approach.

00:04:48.580 The wall was one part of it.

00:04:50.780 But as an expert, I know that the wall is like putting a Band-Aid on cancer.

00:04:55.260 Until you create a system to where there is no longer the availability for an illegal alien to get a job, you are going to continue to see this flow come in. 0.99

00:05:06.720 Now, in his books, Trump said that a wall would not do it alone.

00:05:10.940 You had to put tariffs on Mexico, and you had to put in mandatory E-Verify. 0.53

00:05:15.000 You had to hold the employers accountable.

00:05:18.660 Stephen Miller, in all of his smarts, never, ever, ever was there one tweet from Donald J.

00:05:26.900 Trump, of all the tweets, never was there any one tweet about E-Verify.

00:05:31.960 And when he did say tariffs, Megan, and I think this may be the most important thing I say in the program here today.

00:05:37.660 It was on June.

00:05:40.820 Let's say June 1.

00:05:41.860 And I have it here written somewhere.

00:05:43.780 It was on, sorry, May 30th.

00:05:45.880 Okay?

00:05:46.460 He wrote May 30th, 2019, after the rush of caravans was coming in.

00:05:51.300 He told Mexico, we're going to put a 5% tariff on all the products that you're sending in.

00:05:56.880 And by the way, 80% of Mexico's exports go to us.

00:06:02.180 He was going to put a 5% tariff on starting June 10, and then it was going to go up to as high as 25%.

00:06:08.040 It would have crippled that country.

00:06:09.920 It was the only time in my 10, 11 years doing this that I've ever seen Mexico react. 0.52

00:06:16.760 They sent their top people to Washington, D.C.

00:06:19.160 The stock market actually took a little bit of a hit.

00:06:22.140 We had them.

00:06:23.220 We had them.

00:06:24.220 At the end of the day, those Haitians don't need to be underneath that bridge. 1.00

00:06:28.800 They shouldn't be underneath that bridge. 0.98

00:06:30.880 Those Haitians are just one visual, Megan. 1.00

00:06:33.220 We're getting about 5,000 people right now per day, if not 7,000 people per day coming through.

00:06:39.920 In addition to the Haitians, those people should have never gotten past the border in southern Mexico, but they do. 1.00

00:06:47.440 And the reason why they do, Megan, time and time again is because the cartels are making billions of dollars off this.

00:06:54.380 The government, the corrupt government of Mexico are making billions of dollars off this.

00:06:58.700 The politicians in this country who are getting donations from big companies who are making a fortune off this, that's why it continues to go.

00:07:07.320 The Haitians right now are just a page in a big, huge book of illegal immigration into this country. 0.97

00:07:13.360 That is so interesting, so helpful.

00:07:16.560 What a good 30,000-foot perspective on it.

00:07:19.260 Can I ask you, I get why the cartels make money on it.

00:07:22.780 They make money off of charging people for the smuggling.

00:07:26.160 They use them to smuggle drugs and other things.

00:07:28.020 They make them pay the cartels for years and years after they actually get here.

00:07:31.580 So I get how they make money.

00:07:33.360 And I get how American employers like cheap labor that they're not interested in E-Verify.

00:07:37.980 They don't want to know whether they're illegal or not.

00:07:39.700 They just want cheap labor. 0.94

00:07:41.680 But I don't get why.

00:07:43.060 How does the Mexican government make money by allowing this? 0.99

00:07:46.340 Oh, because they're corrupt. 1.00

00:07:47.640 They're corrupt. 0.98

00:07:48.780 So if you're a gangster, right, what do you do?

00:07:51.520 You pay the guy at the door to turn the other way while you're doing your illegal activity.

00:07:55.960 So what happened is when they put those tariffs, that tariff tweet out, what happened?

00:08:01.560 You saw the window dressing.

00:08:03.320 The government sent down the police, right?

00:08:05.580 They had it all there, and they were blocking the cages.

00:08:07.640 Remember that?

00:08:08.180 So that was the visual everybody needed.

00:08:09.800 Oh, okay.

00:08:10.380 We're doing the right job.

00:08:11.640 But that did not last.

00:08:13.440 It doesn't last at all.

00:08:14.960 Why does it last?

00:08:15.680 Because I'll tell you what.

00:08:16.500 If the government was to truly keep the police there and stop those people from coming in,

00:08:20.740 you know what those government officials would be doing the next day?

00:08:23.300 They'd be hanging from a noose on a sign by cartel members who are going to say,

00:08:27.760 you're not stopping the flow.

00:08:29.980 So, of course, they do it to save their lives, and they do it because they also put money into

00:08:34.840 their pocket.

00:08:35.280 Even if you found the most honest man or woman in Mexico, and they said, we're going to change 1.00

00:08:41.060 this country.

00:08:41.700 We're going to get it.

00:08:42.500 We're going to use all of our natural resources.

00:08:44.400 We're going to be number one.

00:08:45.440 We're going to go after America to be number one. 0.98

00:08:47.440 It would never happen because the cartels will just come in, and they will kill you.

00:08:51.580 You talk about me making four films, five films.

00:08:56.200 The part that gets me the most is that I don't think America understands what the cartels are.

00:09:03.960 A lot of times, you hear cartels, and you think of Al Pacino or something like that.

00:09:08.280 Say hello to my little friend.

00:09:09.800 It's not that.

00:09:10.920 The cartel is like the US Marines.

00:09:14.800 They're well-funded.

00:09:16.080 They're well-trained.

00:09:17.140 They're watching us more than we're watching them.

00:09:19.400 One of the things I used to have to do all the time, Megan, I remember doing a hit with

00:09:23.680 you where you guys asked me to go down to Texas, and I was there, and I was showing

00:09:27.740 how the cartels were bringing across drugs and people as the Border Patrol were chasing

00:09:32.320 families.

00:09:33.860 My heart used to go through my chest because I'm sitting there, and cartel scouts are right

00:09:39.560 next to me.

00:09:40.300 We have people in the US who are cartel scouts telling them what they could do and when they

00:09:44.700 can come and when they should come.

00:09:46.580 It is so dangerous.

00:09:47.720 Now they've spread throughout this entire country.

00:09:51.100 Every single last town in America has cartel presence.

00:09:57.600 Every president, including Donald J. 1.00

00:09:59.960 Trump, that sits in that White House knows that those scumbags are in this country poisoning 1.00

00:10:05.540 our children, raping our daughters, beating our sons, and we let this crap go on day in 1.00

00:10:11.440 and day out. 1.00

00:10:12.320 We've been letting it go on every day, every day for years.

00:10:14.960 What happened with the threats, with the threat of the tariffs under Trump?

00:10:18.900 Nothing.

00:10:19.780 Nothing.

00:10:20.160 He blew it up, Megan.

00:10:21.380 He blew it up.

00:10:22.540 Okay?

00:10:22.800 So let me walk this back a little bit.

00:10:24.800 I voted for President Trump twice.

00:10:26.580 I had my own ambitions for a while, and I said, all right, I'm going to step back.

00:10:32.540 I don't got Donald Trump money.

00:10:34.180 I'm not going to get the support, whatever, because I'm just not a name like he is.

00:10:38.420 And I watched what he did, and I loved it.

00:10:41.320 I loved everything he said.

00:10:42.800 It's like he took my Fox News talking points and just hit repeat with crazier hair and a

00:10:49.720 bigger audience.

00:10:51.120 And really, really, it's what happened.

00:10:53.800 And he definitely has been known to do that.

00:10:55.400 Rick Santorum was quoted as saying something like he took Rick Santorum's whole book on

00:10:59.180 manufacturing, what's happening with the working class, and made it his policy.

00:11:03.320 Megan, make America great again was Ronald Reagan.

00:11:07.760 What Trump was brilliant enough to do was to take it and throw it on a red hat.

00:11:12.220 And all of a sudden, it became a movement.

00:11:14.520 But that was Ronald Reagan.

00:11:16.660 But if you go back to what I was saying, everything he said, everything with the books, even build

00:11:22.200 the wall.

00:11:22.720 I was never a wall guy.

00:11:23.880 I'll take it.

00:11:24.580 To me, it's like getting the salad when you go to Ruth Chris, right?

00:11:27.560 You're going for the steak, but I'll take the salad as well.

00:11:30.180 A wall is not the answer, but you know what?

00:11:32.380 I'll take the wall.

00:11:33.400 It's like another arsenal.

00:11:34.920 And what wound up happening, you really want to see, if you want to know why we are here

00:11:39.280 today, where we are, Donald J. Trump, with all of his tough talk leading up to the day

00:11:45.120 that he was inaugurated, really, that was the best we've ever had for illegal immigration. 0.61

00:11:50.680 He stifled it.

00:11:51.880 His tough talk, you know what it said?

00:11:53.700 It said to the guy, a gal in Guatemala, keep your five grand, keep your 10 grand. 1.00

00:11:57.480 Do not come up and give that to the cartel.

00:11:59.080 I'm going to send you home.

00:12:00.200 And oh, by the way, if you're here now, I'm going to be sending you home too.

00:12:03.380 You're going to self-deport because I'm going to cut off the jobs.

00:12:05.940 And I said, finally, we're going to get it.

00:12:07.540 We could put up that wall and that'd be great.

00:12:09.580 What wound up happening is he had it.

00:12:11.540 He had it.

00:12:12.220 And then he made a major mistake.

00:12:14.020 And I blame this on Stephen Miller.

00:12:15.960 I don't blame it on Trump.

00:12:17.920 Trump tried to cut a deal. 1.00

00:12:19.420 He wanted that damn wall. 1.00

00:12:21.140 So what he was told was that if you give up DACA, you'll get your wall, which is stupid 1.00

00:12:27.420 because that's not how this works. 0.95

00:12:29.640 Stephen Miller should have known that.

00:12:30.620 Legal status for people who were brought here under age 18 by their parents.

00:12:35.320 And Americans are more sympathetic in general toward that group of undocumented workers,

00:12:40.620 illegal immigrants, whatever your favorite term is.

00:12:43.000 So he so go ahead.

00:12:43.960 He gave up.

00:12:44.880 He bent on DACA.

00:12:47.160 He bent on DACA and his bending on DACA was heard worldwide.

00:12:51.380 He did a tweet.

00:12:52.140 I had the tweet sitting right up here.

00:12:53.980 He told Congress, get DACA done.

00:12:56.060 Then he was on television saying, I love these kids.

00:12:58.780 So now the messaging went from being hawkish to being light and airy, sort of like Obama.

00:13:05.160 And let me stand you by because we have a clip from your documentary on this exact thing.

00:13:10.900 There's an Arizona sheriff talking about how Trump's positive comments on DACA affected life.

00:13:16.200 Watch.

00:13:16.800 You're going to bring drugs and you're going to smuggle humans in our county. 1.00

00:13:19.920 It's going to be very risky because you're going to go to prison if you get caught.

00:13:23.580 How do you know that they're not going to come back?

00:13:25.400 I don't.

00:13:28.480 Unfortunately, they did come back.

00:13:30.640 President Trump said in a tweet, I love DACA kids.

00:13:34.960 And that opened up the floodgates.

00:13:37.420 The influx of illegal immigration and illegal activity at the border was at an all time high.

00:13:43.500 It only got worse when President Biden ripped out all the provisions that Trump put in to try to fix the problem he created.

00:13:50.720 And since then, Daniels has lost everything he had gained.

00:13:56.280 Right.

00:13:57.460 Yeah.

00:13:58.100 So I'll try to fast forward this story for you.

00:14:01.020 When he starts going light on DACA, the caravans begin.

00:14:04.820 And when the Border Patrol agents who I'm still in touch with all the time, when they call me, they say, we ask them.

00:14:12.140 We ask them and they say, yeah, Trump got light.

00:14:14.480 He said he loved DACA kids.

00:14:15.840 And now that's where they're all coming.

00:14:18.020 Now, to his defense, he tried everything he could to stop that hole that he created on mistake.

00:14:25.740 He had good intentions.

00:14:27.560 That's why I won't throw him under the bus.

00:14:29.800 He had good intentions.

00:14:31.060 He was trying to do one of his business deals.

00:14:32.960 But that's not the way D.C. works.

00:14:34.380 And that was very early in his presidency when he was sort of still getting his his his surroundings together.

00:14:40.500 What happened was, is that Biden then got up and took that message of I love DACA kids and put it in steroids.

00:14:48.480 And that's why we have what we have here today.

00:14:50.460 But make no mistake.

00:14:51.640 Had Trump taken that time period where he was in April, where it was 10,000, 15,000 people coming and put in E-Verify and put in the tariffs and crack down, this problem would be over.

00:15:02.180 You'd have no reason to talk to me.

00:15:04.380 I think the point you were making up top is worth zeroing in on, too, because it isn't just the Haitians that we're seeing in Del Rio.

00:15:11.680 Yes, that's 10 as many as 16,000.

00:15:14.600 But you're not making those numbers up of five to seven thousand a day crossing the border.

00:15:19.100 Now, that's documented by the Biden administration.

00:15:22.340 In July, it was over 200,000 who tried to get in.

00:15:25.200 In two in August, it was over 200,000 again.

00:15:27.880 And only half of those at best were sent back down across the southern border under the covid rule saying we don't have to give you any sort of a hearing because of covid.

00:15:38.000 And so even by Biden's numbers, they only sent back half.

00:15:40.900 So that's 100,000 in 60 days that came across the border that they let stay in the United States, who are supposedly, again, all going to show up for this asylum hearing, which they're all either going to blow off or they're going to show up to.

00:15:53.800 Miller made a good point on this.

00:15:54.920 Or they'll show up, too, because 15 percent of the judges will say, OK, you you get you get asylum.

00:16:00.400 But for the 85 percent who don't get it, then they're just released.

00:16:03.320 They're not put on a plane and sent back home.

00:16:05.240 So we're talking about hundreds of thousands coming across the southern border month to month that we're doing nothing about.

00:16:11.600 With all due respect, you're shortchanging the number, because even if you take Title 42, which is what pushes them back because of covid, or you take the remain in Mexico policy that they had.

00:16:21.740 Do you think that these people are just going back and be like, oh, all right, I'll wait for my appointment?

00:16:27.280 No.

00:16:27.520 And remain in Mexico is basically Trump changed the rule so that when you apply for asylum, you have to remain in Mexico.

00:16:33.120 You can't wait here.

00:16:35.000 You've got to remain in Mexico while that claim is adjudicated.

00:16:37.580 But a lot of them already have crossed the border and are here and managed to avoid it.

00:16:41.740 Right. Do I have that summarized?

00:16:43.540 Yes. But even but even but even put yourself into the scenario, Megan, you've you've put yourself as a woman.

00:16:48.880 Right. So you've sold off everything.

00:16:50.640 You've got any cash that you possibly had.

00:16:52.560 You left everything behind.

00:16:53.640 You went through. 0.99

00:16:54.080 You probably got yourself raped by cartel members, if not once, twice. 0.99

00:16:57.380 God knows how many different times. 0.99

00:16:59.100 And now all of a sudden you're told, OK, you're just going to remain in Mexico.

00:17:02.080 Now you're sitting there thinking to yourself, remain in Mexico.

00:17:04.720 I don't trust this.

00:17:05.460 Am I going to get sent back to Guatemala?

00:17:07.320 You know what you're going to do?

00:17:08.060 You're going to sneak over the border and you're going to be one of the people that gets through that isn't apprehended.

00:17:12.360 So when you're looking at those numbers, when I say five thousand to seven thousand because I'm taking 30 days and dividing it.

00:17:17.780 Right.

00:17:18.380 So that doesn't count.

00:17:20.640 The people who are coming in that don't want asylum, that don't want to be apprehended because they've got criminal records and very, very bad intentions for this country.

00:17:30.480 Whether it's the sex trafficker, the human trafficker, right?

00:17:34.240 The drug trafficker, MS-13, or even worse, the terrorist.

00:17:38.280 You're going to go through the normal channels of running away from the border patrol.

00:17:43.120 Another thing I learned in my movies, my last one, it's They Come to America 4.

00:17:47.060 It starts off where I'm in San Diego and I'm talking to one of the best border patrol agents we've ever had.

00:17:53.940 And he said, Dennis, we have disbanded our CBET team, which is basically the coastal team.

00:17:59.480 So what happens now is that people who want to come in here, Chinese, Iranians, Hezbollah, whoever it is, will pay up to one hundred thousand dollars to the cartels to be brought in through the waterways with guaranteed passage to get through.

00:18:14.580 And that's on California's side.

00:18:17.080 The other thing that nobody ever talks about, and this is why I was never a big wall guy to begin with, in Florida, you know how they call everything a sector, right?

00:18:25.440 We have sector.

00:18:26.520 So you have the Tucson sector.

00:18:28.280 Well, we have the Miami sector.

00:18:29.920 So just alone, that's misleading because you would think, oh, Miami, Southern Florida.

00:18:33.980 Uh-uh.

00:18:34.680 The Miami sector is the panhandle, the whole west and east coast of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina.

00:18:42.380 Do you know how many border agents we have on any given month in that sector?

00:18:46.280 One hundred to one hundred and fifty covering all that area.

00:18:49.880 We've got two or three boats.

00:18:51.400 We've taken over five thousand people about two years ago, over five thousand people from sixty four different countries.

00:18:57.820 How's the war going to stop that?

00:18:59.540 We need to get our border patrol agents off the babysitting line.

00:19:05.760 We have to stop making them sophisticated Uber drivers. 0.79

00:19:09.480 We need to send these people home.

00:19:11.740 We need to cut off the jobs. 0.91

00:19:13.880 We need to stop allowing people to get the jobs with the idea that they're going to get a job. 0.87

00:19:18.660 You know, Kamala Harris goes down to Central America. 1.00

00:19:20.600 She's going to figure it all out.

00:19:22.020 I'm going to save her a lot of time. 0.99

00:19:24.060 Just cut off the damn jobs because then you could take the border patrol agents and have them go after what they're supposed to go after. 1.00

00:19:30.020 The sex traffickers, the drug traffickers and the damn terrorists that come into this country. 1.00

00:19:34.100 Hmm. You're not wrong. 1.00

00:19:36.420 And Kamala Harris, you know, our our immigration czar, she's paid absolutely no attention to what's happening down at the southern border, in particular with this latest crisis. 0.94

00:19:43.380 Until we had this what turns out to be a bogus news story about the border patrol agents whipping the Haitian migrants with whips.

00:19:53.940 We're going to get into that.

00:19:55.060 We're going to talk about why the media completely ignored this story until this week in just a minute.

00:20:00.060 Welcome back, everyone, to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:20:08.020 Dennis Michael Lynch is my guest today.

00:20:10.060 He's been covering the border and illegal immigration for years now.

00:20:13.820 He's produced a series of five amazing documentaries on the subject called They Come to America.

00:20:19.840 Dennis embeds himself into the communities to see just how our soft immigration policies have affected the locals.

00:20:25.720 Right. You live in New York.

00:20:26.860 You don't think about this.

00:20:27.820 You feel like, oh, you maybe you're in the heartland.

00:20:29.740 You don't think this bothers you.

00:20:30.800 It does.

00:20:31.700 And you pay attention to what's happening to our friends at the southern border.

00:20:34.840 It's extremely eye opening.

00:20:36.600 In this exclusive clip from his most recent offering, They Come to America 5, we see how one local farmer's land in Arizona is used to traffic millions in drugs.

00:20:48.460 I started making my films in 2010, and each and every year I would always visit the Ladd Ranch in Cochise County, Arizona.

00:20:57.980 Ranter John Ladd had shown me just about everything, but it got to its fever pitch in 2014.

00:21:05.840 In the last 22 months, we've had 43 full-size trucks full of marijuana come across this border cutting the wall.

00:21:13.520 They cut it at ground level, lays it on the ground, they drive trucks in.

00:21:17.400 Same place all the time.

00:21:18.960 They know where they're coming, and they still get away.

00:21:21.700 A pickup full of marijuana is worth a million bucks.

00:21:24.040 So we've had $43 million go through this ranch.

00:21:27.340 Nobody stops them.

00:21:28.180 Nobody stopped it.

00:21:29.140 How is that happening?

00:21:30.660 I don't understand it.

00:21:32.120 They haven't been caught.

00:21:33.160 This is absolutely the worst it's been for 23 years.

00:21:35.960 This is one of the reasons, Dennis, why you say the wall's a joke.

00:21:40.220 Like this is, you'll take it, but it's not the main solution.

00:21:43.840 And just to add a couple of numbers to the numbers there, 26 Republican governors have now written demanding a meeting with President Biden to address this crisis, saying your policies have created an international humanitarian crisis.

00:21:56.380 They say border apprehensions are up almost 500 percent compared to last year, and almost 10,000 of those apprehended have prior criminal convictions.

00:22:07.520 To your point, the ones who are just trying to sneak across, these are not all like we see the sad families and they try to tug at our heartstrings.

00:22:14.720 Thousands and thousands of these folks coming across the border are criminals, criminals, dangerous criminals. 0.98

00:22:19.420 And on the drug front, they say more fentanyl has been seized this fiscal year than the last three years combined fentanyl, which is a disgusting drug that's really corrupting lives coast to coast in this country.

00:22:30.220 How do you think it gets here?

00:22:31.300 It doesn't magically appear.

00:22:33.240 They're pushing it because people will pay big money for it. 0.93

00:22:36.280 That's right.

00:22:36.600 I mean, you know, there's a couple of things I want to pack in here for a second.

00:22:39.640 As far as the wall goes, and I don't want to focus too much on the wall because that's almost old news, right?

00:22:43.880 But when you look at the wall, first of all, half the illegal immigration into this country has historically been, and I say historically because I think this year is going to turn that upside down, but historically it has been people who come in on visas.

00:22:57.200 So you come in legally on an airplane or a boat or, you know, across Canadian border, and then you stay.

00:23:02.720 You never go back.

00:23:03.700 You're a visa violator. 0.51

00:23:05.220 The wall's not going to stop that.

00:23:06.660 I already talked to you about the waterway.

00:23:08.540 Plus, we've got 30 to 40 million people here already, so you've got to cut off the jobs.

00:23:12.820 And another thing, I had a problem with Stephen Miller, which on the commercial break, it hit me.

00:23:17.200 You know, if I said to you, if you called me, I'm saying, hey, Dennis, do you know a good babysitter?

00:23:21.220 And I said to you, yeah, Charles Manson, would you make the phone call?

00:23:24.760 No, you wouldn't.

00:23:25.380 You'd think I'm out of my mind.

00:23:26.860 Why President Trump was ever in a meeting with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is beyond me.

00:23:32.600 I mean, this is what I'm saying.

00:23:33.920 Trump was trying to do the best he could, and he was surrounded by people who didn't know how to fix this problem.

00:23:39.080 Now, going back to what you were saying here two seconds ago, you've got the president telling me, I've got to jab my kid, that I've got to wear a mask, that I've got to do social distancing, that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

00:23:51.320 And I know that, you know, you got vaccinated.

00:23:53.440 I didn't get vaccinated.

00:23:54.740 I'm a healthy human being, and I don't need it.

00:23:57.440 I'm not going to get it.

00:23:58.480 That's my take on that.

00:23:59.760 But now I'm being basically, you know, thrown out to the lions that I'm the problem that we have in this country.

00:24:05.540 I have a problem with that.

00:24:06.880 I have a problem with the fact that he has a super spreader at the border every single last month, letting these people go through, just not tested, not.

00:24:16.080 Why are we giving the people the Haitians right now?

00:24:18.060 Why aren't we giving them all COVID shots?

00:24:19.540 Why are we sending this stuff all over the country?

00:24:21.240 Why aren't we just jabbing them right now?

00:24:22.920 He's not doing any of it.

00:24:24.360 We have the vaccines to give.

00:24:26.360 We've given away 100 million to other countries.

00:24:28.440 We absolutely could be vaccinating these folks who are in the United States. 1.00

00:24:31.700 We won't do it.

00:24:32.620 And here's why we finally got originally Saki, Jen Saki, who's the White House spokesperson, was asked, why aren't we doing that?

00:24:39.240 And she's like, well, she kind of dodged it.

00:24:41.020 She didn't give the reason why.

00:24:42.180 And now she finally gave the reason why.

00:24:44.940 And here do we have that?

00:24:46.260 Hold on a second.

00:24:46.800 Maybe we don't have it here, but we do have it.

00:24:48.540 OK, stand by and listen about what's going on at the border.

00:24:51.040 Is somebody asking the foreign nationals who are walking into Del Rio, Texas and setting up camps on this side of the border for proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test?

00:25:02.840 Well, first of all, I can readdress for you or re-talk you through what steps we take.

00:25:08.900 That is the policy for people who fly into the country.

00:25:11.700 So if somebody walks into the country right across the river, does somebody ask them to see their vaccination card?

00:25:19.120 Well, let me explain to you again, Peter, how our process works as individuals, as individuals come across the border and they are both assessed for whether they have any symptoms.

00:25:32.160 If they have symptoms, they are.

00:25:34.040 The intention is for them to be quarantined.

00:25:36.040 That is our process.

00:25:37.300 They're not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time.

00:25:40.860 Oh, my God.

00:25:41.660 Is she that she's just lying?

00:25:43.100 I mean, she's not she can't be that clueless, Dennis.

00:25:45.160 Megan, I had a Border Patrol agent three days ago.

00:25:47.800 Oh, send me send me a message.

00:25:50.180 Dennis, can you call me?

00:25:51.200 Haven't talked to this guy in two years.

00:25:52.480 So, OK, what's up?

00:25:53.840 He says, nobody's talking about two things.

00:25:55.780 I need you to get it out there.

00:25:57.280 All right, great.

00:25:57.820 I'm on Megan's show.

00:25:58.560 I'll help get it out even more.

00:25:59.720 Two things everybody needs to know.

00:26:00.940 Number one, these people are being checked.

00:26:03.260 The doctors are basically there and they're seeing what's going on.

00:26:06.560 We're seeing tuberculosis.

00:26:07.580 We're seeing, you know, swine flu.

00:26:09.560 We're seeing scabies.

00:26:10.660 We're seeing COVID.

00:26:11.420 And then we're seeing things that are getting marked down as unknown.

00:26:15.700 The doctors are literally saying, I've never seen this before.

00:26:19.480 And they're being released into the general public.

00:26:21.980 That's number one.

00:26:23.000 Number two is if a kid comes over right now, and that kid could be 21 years old, by the

00:26:27.920 way, Megan, and they say, I'm 14 years old or younger, they are not fingerprinted.

00:26:33.860 They're not photographed.

00:26:35.120 They can say their name is Elvis Presley, and that's going to be their name.

00:26:38.740 And if they have an MS-13 tag, hey, are you part of a gang?

00:26:41.900 Oh, no, I got that.

00:26:43.320 I was forced to get that.

00:26:44.200 I'm not part of a gang.

00:26:45.080 And they're just getting released.

00:26:46.720 You just watched 18 months ago.

00:26:50.000 This country come to a halt.

00:26:52.280 We shut down businesses.

00:26:53.840 We shut down everything.

00:26:55.400 You basically were told to get into your house and don't do anything else.

00:26:58.960 This country stopped on a dime.

00:27:00.800 So I don't want to hear anybody's BS.

00:27:03.120 I don't know if I'm allowed to curse or not.

00:27:04.540 You can go for it.

00:27:05.880 All right.

00:27:06.200 You want to? 1.00

00:27:06.520 It's total bullshit. 1.00

00:27:08.240 I don't want to hear the bullshit from the Biden administration or anybody out of Washington, 1.00

00:27:13.240 D.C. 0.99

00:27:13.620 You can shut down those borders with the United States of America. 1.00

00:27:17.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:27:17.620 Shut down those borders. 1.00

00:27:19.040 Start caring about the people in this country.

00:27:21.260 Start protecting lives.

00:27:22.340 Start protecting jobs.

00:27:24.100 All these people coming in.

00:27:25.220 And you know what they're going to do?

00:27:26.000 They're either going to wind up taking a job that an American should be taking, or they're 0.97

00:27:29.500 going to wind up being on freaking welfare.

00:27:31.620 And so everybody in this country is going to have to pay for this.

00:27:34.800 And you want to know what it is?

00:27:36.240 This is my opinion, Megan.

00:27:37.380 I've been doing this for a long time.

00:27:38.780 And you know you could get me revved up like nobody else ever did.

00:27:41.640 That's why I always love being on your show.

00:27:43.540 Let me tell you something.

00:27:44.960 I remember being on your show.

00:27:47.160 I remember it.

00:27:48.560 I remember it was about Obamacare.

00:27:50.740 Everybody's worried about freaking Obamacare.

00:27:52.680 We still got Obamacare today.

00:27:54.440 And I looked at you. 0.99

00:27:55.140 I said, Obamacare is a freaking insurance policy. 0.98

00:27:58.020 That's not how you fundamentally transform a country. 0.93

00:28:00.400 You fundamentally transform a country by swarming the border with people, bringing third world 1.00

00:28:06.000 migrants in here.

00:28:06.920 And I don't blame them for coming. 1.00

00:28:08.160 If I was making a dollar a day down in Guatemala, kicking my ass, I'd be coming up 1.00

00:28:11.840 to East Hampton, Long Island and cutting grass for $25 an hour because that's what they're 0.99

00:28:15.200 getting out in the Hamptons.

00:28:16.720 So I don't blame them at all.

00:28:17.940 I blame this government.

00:28:19.360 And this is part of the fundamental transformation that Obama could not continue.

00:28:23.200 He couldn't finish it off.

00:28:24.140 He thought he was going to finish it off with Hillary, but Trump pulled out the Trump card.

00:28:27.600 And now he's finishing the deal.

00:28:29.620 Joe Biden is finishing the deal.

00:28:31.340 We have very little chance, Megan, at ever being able to reverse what this guy is doing.

00:28:38.140 He is the worst president in my lifetime.

00:28:41.300 He makes Obama look like Reagan. 0.98

00:28:43.640 It is insane and infuriating when you think about these immigrants coming across the border 1.00

00:28:49.760 with COVID.

00:28:50.760 They're not immigrants. 1.00

00:28:51.460 They're not immigrants, Megan. 1.00

00:28:52.620 Megan, they're not immigrants. 1.00

00:28:53.540 What do we call them?

00:28:54.140 You can't.

00:28:55.320 Migrants. 0.98

00:28:56.080 Migrants. 0.98

00:28:56.520 Okay.

00:28:56.720 They're migrants.

00:28:57.440 Listen, let me tell you why I'm saying that to you.

00:28:59.500 And you know I love you.

00:29:00.180 But the reason why I'm saying that to you is because words matter.

00:29:02.620 And there are people around the world right now who have been waiting for three, four,

00:29:06.700 five years, paying their fees, going through all of their checks, everything else. 0.82

00:29:11.200 And they're getting screwed. 0.98

00:29:12.540 They're getting screwed. 1.00

00:29:13.060 They're immigrants. 1.00

00:29:14.520 They're immigrants.

00:29:15.260 No, it's a good point.

00:29:16.600 So they're they they can come into the country with unknown diseases, unknown. 0.94

00:29:20.980 And we let them walk around.

00:29:22.020 Meanwhile, I was talking about this yesterday.

00:29:23.160 My kids got to go to school and sit with like three inches of plexiglass between her 1.00

00:29:27.340 and her neighbor while she sits at lunch.

00:29:29.820 And they have to scream if they want to speak to each other and get in trouble if they lean 0.83

00:29:32.940 back to try to talk to one another because safety, right, because science and the media

00:29:38.660 is too cowardly, as usual, to shine any sort of a light on this, Dennis.

00:29:42.660 And I want to talk to you about the thing that finally got them to shine a light on what's

00:29:46.780 happening down in Del Rio is the horror, the horror of the Border Patrol agents with, quote,

00:29:52.680 whips, which aren't really whips.

00:29:54.540 Their reins for horses, which they use as a whip on a horse, I suppose, but not on people.

00:29:59.480 And they're trying to show us this video saying that they're whipping the migrants.

00:30:02.720 That's not what the videos I have seen shown at all.

00:30:05.040 They showed them using the horses to try to scare the migrants back away from the United 1.00

00:30:10.860 States or back to where they're supposed to be.

00:30:13.320 Meanwhile, this is the reaction that we've had from an unhinged leftist media.

00:30:18.520 Here's Ilhan Omar on with Joy Reid talking about this the other night.

00:30:22.840 Should we be looking at the budget of Department of Homeland Security?

00:30:26.320 Because I was not aware that whips, which come from the slave era, slavery era, were part

00:30:33.040 of the package that we issue to any sort of law enforcement or government sanctioned personnel.

00:30:38.900 Were you aware that that was being issued to people, that people had that kind of equipment

00:30:43.160 on them that they could use on humans?

00:30:44.660 I was not.

00:30:47.740 And I am quite appalled.

00:30:49.860 You know, when it comes to our immigration policy for so many years, cruelty has been very

00:30:58.160 much embedded in it.

00:31:00.100 There is obviously systematic racism at play here.

00:31:04.080 We have seen many people come to our border and the fact that we are dealing with mainly

00:31:13.100 black migrants and black immigrants and asylum seekers at our border in this kind of way

00:31:19.820 really speaks to the kind of racism, systematic racism that is embedded in that department and 0.70

00:31:26.980 all of the departments that deal with our immigration policy.

00:31:30.860 Oh, my God. 0.99

00:31:31.160 Are there two stupider people on television other than like Cuomo and Lemon? 1.00

00:31:35.360 Is there are there two dumber people on television right now? 1.00

00:31:39.100 Only if Biden and Harris are on. 0.99

00:31:41.060 Listen, I feel like you just tortured me.

00:31:42.980 I know what we're friends.

00:31:44.240 You're not supposed to torture me, Megan. 1.00

00:31:46.120 It's just so stupid and obviously exploitative of their own narratives. 1.00

00:31:51.360 They got it all in their systemic racism and the immigrants are black because if they 1.00

00:31:55.620 weren't black, we wouldn't be twirling the reins around the way we were. 0.99

00:31:59.440 I keep waiting for the video where the person actually gets whipped. 1.00

00:32:02.320 I haven't seen it. 0.98

00:32:02.960 I've heard some trash talk. 0.98

00:32:04.320 I don't know if we're going to get our border in trouble, our agents in trouble for trash 0.97

00:32:08.140 talk.

00:32:08.540 But they've been put in this position by the Biden administration the same way the migrants 0.97

00:32:12.880 have, to be perfectly honest.

00:32:14.660 You know, let me tell you, and they come to America for which people could get on for 1.00

00:32:19.080 free on the DML News app.

00:32:20.360 You will see at the beginning of that, Chris Harris, he is a Border Patrol agent, and he

00:32:26.740 shows me defibrillators.

00:32:29.060 And he says, Dennis, we didn't get the defibrillators from the federal government.

00:32:32.700 We took it out of our own station budget.

00:32:35.180 So instead of buying new stuff for themselves, they went out and bought defibrillators because

00:32:39.760 it helps them save lives as people are coming across the border and they're dropping dead

00:32:43.760 of a heart attack.

00:32:44.440 The Border Patrol in one fiscal year, I think it was over two years ago, they wound up saving

00:32:49.160 more lives than any other federal agency.

00:32:51.280 Over 4,000 migrants were saved by the Border Patrol.

00:32:55.160 So you know what?

00:32:56.000 They're always looking.

00:32:57.420 Megan, you know this.

00:32:58.520 Me and you have been in the media for how long?

00:33:00.100 You want to sell, you want to get clicks, sell racism, or sell that there's a storm that's

00:33:04.680 going to take out the world.

00:33:05.700 Those two things right there, you'll have TV viewers, you'll have clicks all day long.

00:33:09.560 At the end of the day, there is absolutely no will in Washington, D.C. to stop the problem.

00:33:18.940 I'll give you something close to my heart.

00:33:20.800 You know I live 9-11.

00:33:21.920 I'm one of the people who ran from the buildings.

00:33:23.920 Prior to 9-11, we had 26 countries that we had on basically, you didn't have to have

00:33:31.000 a waiver.

00:33:31.300 It was a waiver.

00:33:31.960 It was a visa waiver program.

00:33:33.100 You didn't have to go through anything.

00:33:34.100 We just let you come in here.

00:33:35.000 After 9-11, when the 9-11 commission report basically said, hey, immigration fraud and

00:33:41.520 fake documentation is basically what allowed these people to carry out 9-11, we should 1.00

00:33:45.500 have zero, zero countries that are on a visa waiver program.

00:33:50.360 Do you know how many we have today versus 26 that we used to have?

00:33:53.060 We have 38.

00:33:54.780 We went higher.

00:33:56.400 We went higher, Megan.

00:33:58.100 I didn't realize that.

00:33:59.680 Can we talk for a minute about the administration's reaction?

00:34:03.140 The Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Mayorkas, he visited Del Rio on Monday, the

00:34:09.420 only administration official high ranking to do so.

00:34:12.360 He issued, quote, a stern warning, Dennis, a stern warning.

00:34:15.320 He told them all this is going to go down in their permanent records to those coming here

00:34:19.540 illegally.

00:34:20.320 He said the border's not open.

00:34:22.280 The border's not open.

00:34:23.740 People should not take the perilous journey here.

00:34:26.140 We are returning people to other countries. 1.00

00:34:28.280 And then our, you know, our immigration chief, Kamala Harris, weighed in in a really helpful

00:34:35.380 way.

00:34:36.000 And did she did she, you know, back up his message that you got to get out?

00:34:39.820 Here's what she had to say about the images coming out of Del Rio over the past week.

00:34:45.180 What I saw depicted about those individuals on force back treating human beings the way

00:34:53.140 they were horrible.

00:34:55.360 And I fully support what is happening right now, which is a thorough investigation into

00:35:01.060 exactly what is going on there.

00:35:03.460 But human beings should never be treated that way.

00:35:06.800 And I was deeply troubled about it.

00:35:08.800 And I'll also be talking to Secretary Mayorkas today.

00:35:11.240 She's deeply troubled about them.

00:35:12.700 And Dennis, can I tell you, this is just breaking right now in my ear.

00:35:15.360 The agents accused of, quote, whipping migrants.

00:35:18.560 Again, the video does not appear to show that wide open for other footage.

00:35:21.460 But what they're putting out there right now is evidence doesn't do it, have just been

00:35:25.220 assigned to desk duty.

00:35:26.580 They've just been.

00:35:27.360 So the only remedial action they've taken, other than sending a few Haitians back to Haiti 1.00

00:35:32.220 and everybody else has been dispersed in the United States, is to put these agents who

00:35:35.840 are trying to control the situation.

00:35:37.040 They're completely outmanned on desk duty.

00:35:39.560 Listen, I mean, at the end of the day, they want to crush the border.

00:35:43.580 The Biden administration does not want to have a border.

00:35:45.860 The Democrats do not want to have a border.

00:35:47.500 They want it to be wide open.

00:35:49.480 And one of the greatest ways that you can do that is just crush the morale of the Border

00:35:53.620 Patrol.

00:35:54.300 You know how many guys are going to walk off the job because, you know what, they're going

00:35:57.280 to say, we're going to the next one.

00:35:58.400 We're going to want to go to jail.

00:35:59.580 This is the plan, Megan.

00:36:03.100 Just destroy the border and bring in the fundamental transformation that Obama wanted, level the

00:36:08.260 playing field around the world, make it so this way the U.S. is just a bag of peanuts

00:36:13.000 and everybody's just stomping on those peanuts and all that's left is crumbs.

00:36:17.000 I am telling you that if the DHS secretary gets up there and tells Ron Johnson, like he

00:36:24.120 did yesterday, that's the clip you should have played, about how it is that he doesn't know

00:36:27.660 how many people are being released into the country and where they're going.

00:36:30.640 And Ron Johnson saying, I want answers.

00:36:32.240 You want answers?

00:36:33.140 You can't handle the truth.

00:36:34.280 It was like watching that movie with Tom Cruise.

00:36:37.420 Yeah, yeah, right?

00:36:38.380 And at the end of the day, how does the number one guy in the country responsible for the

00:36:43.400 defense of this nation not know the numbers?

00:36:46.200 He doesn't want to give the numbers.

00:36:47.720 And the reason being is they never want this pandemic to stop.

00:36:51.720 It is the greatest way to ensure that you fundamentally transform this country, that you win the

00:36:57.240 midterms, that you win 2024, and that you never have another Donald J. Trump or anyone even

00:37:02.860 close to being like him, including Ron DeSantis, in the White House again.

00:37:08.320 They are doing this, so this way this pandemic has got to stay.

00:37:11.340 I got a question for you.

00:37:13.020 The media should be doing a bigger job of figuring out which children are actually the ones who

00:37:18.900 are the hospitalizations for COVID.

00:37:20.500 Because you know what I know over the past 10 years?

00:37:22.440 When my kid has the sniffles or my kid isn't feeling so great, I take her or him to the

00:37:28.180 pediatrician.

00:37:29.140 I don't take them to the hospital.

00:37:30.860 You know who takes their kids to the hospital?

00:37:33.140 Illegal immigrants because they have nowhere else to go and they use the hospital as their 1.00

00:37:38.560 primary doctor.

00:37:39.920 And I want to know how many people that are going in with these kids because we're scaring

00:37:45.140 everybody to hell and back. 0.98

00:37:47.020 Your kids are all going to die. 1.00

00:37:48.240 This is going to be the worst thing in the world.

00:37:49.860 We've got to protect the kids.

00:37:50.940 We've got to protect the kids.

00:37:51.860 What are you talking about?

00:37:53.020 We need to protect the kids. 0.86

00:37:54.480 You're killing these kids.

00:37:55.700 Putting masks on their face, making them stay at home with virtual learning. 0.81

00:37:59.780 The dangers of all this stuff.

00:38:02.220 We just did a post on Facebook.

00:38:04.200 I interviewed a renowned doctor, Dr. Carderis.

00:38:07.560 He's got three clinics in the United States.

00:38:09.560 He's world-renowned.

00:38:10.660 Everybody's always having him come in.

00:38:12.120 He's on every single last media place you can imagine.

00:38:14.540 Fox News, 2020, you name it.

00:38:16.400 Has a book called Glow Kids.

00:38:18.240 Had him on my podcast.

00:38:19.380 It tells me all the different things that's bad about virtual learning.

00:38:22.640 And then on top of that, making the kids go back to masks.

00:38:24.860 Talking about depression and suicide and how all these numbers are going up.

00:38:28.320 And the damage it's doing on the frontal cortex.

00:38:32.340 Do you know that Facebook took it down?

00:38:36.020 Oh, God.

00:38:36.720 Said that I was posting stuff that was harmful to people?

00:38:41.800 He doesn't want it to stop.

00:38:42.780 The same thing, even Rand Paul has had a couple of his posts on masks and other things taken down because it didn't, you know, comport with what Facebook says is, quote, the truth.

00:38:51.340 I will say this to your point about the politics of it.

00:38:54.920 Dallas Morning News, University of Texas, Tyler, just came out with a poll.

00:38:57.620 1100 plus registered voters, including the Texas Latino voters, Texas Latino voters disapprove of Joe Biden.

00:39:07.220 They disapprove of his policies as president.

00:39:09.460 And they really disapprove of his policies when it comes to immigration.

00:39:13.100 They say 54 percent of Latino voters in Texas disapprove of the job Biden's doing.

00:39:18.280 Only 35 percent approve.

00:39:20.220 That mirrors basically the overall numbers, Latinos and everyone else in Texas.

00:39:24.900 Only 29 percent of folks in Texas approve his handling of the border.

00:39:29.580 52 percent disapprove.

00:39:31.420 Latinos and non-Latinos alike do not like the way this is being handled.

00:39:37.120 And you can understand why, to your point a minute ago, Dennis, about the way people have gotten into this country lawfully, the way they've had to wait, the hoops they've had to jump through.

00:39:46.660 I got to run, but I want to give you the last word.

00:39:49.160 Look, you know, I learned a lot of things over the past 10 years.

00:39:51.580 And one of the things that I learned is that the Latino people in this country are hardworking.

00:39:55.340 They're good, God fearing people.

00:39:56.760 And a lot of times they're held guilty by association and it pisses them off because they did the things the right way.

00:40:01.800 Until we get, last word is this, until there is a will to stop this problem, it will continue.

00:40:07.700 It is the number one problem in this country, except for the media.

00:40:11.280 And until we get somebody in there who has the will in the spine to cut off the jobs and cut off the incentives and just say the party is fucking over, we're getting nowhere.

00:40:23.100 Excuse my profanity. 0.95

00:40:24.300 No, it's fine.

00:40:25.160 You do it to me every time.

00:40:26.440 You do it to me every time.

00:40:27.580 You know what this is reminding me of?

00:40:28.600 So when I used to have you on The Kelly File and my shows before that, Debbie Murphy, who's still my producer, she would she'd get in a panic because she'd see the look come over my eyes like, oh, my God, this is amazing.

00:40:40.640 And I would be sucked into the Dennis Michael Lynch just performance.

00:40:44.200 You're just so compelling.

00:40:45.460 You have your facts and you're such a great deliverer of them.

00:40:48.080 And on The Kelly File, we only had 42 minutes of content.

00:40:50.480 So it was impossible to spend too much time there.

00:40:52.500 And she would feel she would feel the next guest slipping away.

00:40:55.460 She would get panicked.

00:40:56.240 And now it's so beautiful because we have time and I can enjoy the Dennis Michael Lynch show in ways I never could before.

00:41:03.160 And man, it's just as good as I remember.

00:41:05.880 Megan, it was great seeing you.

00:41:08.760 The one thing I remember you saying one thing.

00:41:10.380 I was on studio with you one day and it was a commercial going off and you said, my producer just whispered into my ear, Dennis is mesmerizing you again.

00:41:17.580 Yes, it's the spell.

00:41:20.700 Megan, thanks for having me on.

00:41:21.920 So congratulations on all your success.

00:41:24.340 And I need to tell you that aside from my children and my wife, I would say that I've lived one of the most incredible lives a man could live.

00:41:32.180 If somebody said to me, if you had one chance to live something over again, I would say I'd want to go back and do the Kelly File, the whole thing that we used to do.

00:41:39.240 Nobody has ever matched what you were able to create in that room.

00:41:44.560 It is simply the best television show that has ever been on cable news and it is sorely missed.

00:41:50.420 I hope your podcast is as successful as that.

00:41:53.600 And I'd love to be back with you again.

00:41:55.260 And if I don't get the chance, God bless you, Doug, who I met on the train that day.

00:41:59.900 What a swell guy he is.

00:42:01.480 Yeah.

00:42:01.740 And your children.

00:42:02.900 God bless you.

00:42:03.360 Thank you so much, Dennis.

00:42:04.320 You absolutely will be back.

00:42:05.700 The only thing stopping it will be if you're not able.

00:42:08.100 But I can see I'm sure my audience can hear why I'm such a fan of yours and always have been all the best.

00:42:13.980 We'll talk soon.

00:42:15.140 Thanks, Megan.

00:42:16.160 What a guy.

00:42:17.800 OK, we're not done because up next, we're going to be joined by a Texas rancher who's going to tell us what it's like to live near the border amid the migrant invasion.

00:42:24.560 And the measures that her family has had to take to feel safe on their own property.

00:42:35.560 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show, everyone.

00:42:37.420 In just the last few minutes, we have learned that the border agents seen allegedly whipping Haitian migrants.

00:42:45.020 P.S.

00:42:45.520 The video does not show that.

00:42:47.540 It does not show that.

00:42:48.580 In Del Rio have been reassigned now to desk duty while an investigation is conducted.

00:42:54.960 The DHS secretary, Mayorkas, is testifying today before the Homeland Security Committee and saying those agents, quote, do not reflect who we are as a country and that his agency will investigate this with, quote, tremendous force.

00:43:08.860 This same tremendous force has not been present in the administration's dealing with close to 16,000 migrants entering our country, about which they've shown absolutely no outrage.

00:43:21.060 Joining me now is Texas rancher Stephanie Crisp Canales.

00:43:25.300 Stephanie's here to share what it's actually like to live with the border crisis every day and how it's affecting her livelihood and family.

00:43:30.480 Stephanie, thank you so much for being here.

00:43:32.460 Can I tell you so?

00:43:33.160 I I've been living in New York for the past, I don't know, 17 years.

00:43:36.540 I don't know how many years it's been.

00:43:37.700 And I have a lot of great friends in the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

00:43:40.740 And when they talk about illegal immigration, they say, you know, like, I'm an immigrant.

00:43:44.620 My family are immigrants.

00:43:46.140 I'm pro-immigration.

00:43:47.340 And I say, how long have you been living in Manhattan?

00:43:49.740 You don't know anything about what we're talking about.

00:43:51.120 When we talk about immigration, we're not talking about what happened 100 years ago that filled America with a melting pot of people that gave us exposure to diverse cultures and so on.

00:43:59.540 We're talking about something very different right now.

00:44:01.280 And they've spent absolutely no time along the southern border or northern border, for that matter.

00:44:05.740 You have.

00:44:06.500 How long have you been living in your town and how far away is it from the Mexican border?

00:44:10.920 Well, I was born and raised down here.

00:44:12.760 So over 40 years now.

00:44:14.660 And we are approximately 56 miles from the border.

00:44:18.700 And what's the name of your town?

00:44:20.720 Artesia Wells.

00:44:21.940 It's a little tiny dot on the map.

00:44:23.560 Okay.

00:44:24.560 And so you're on a ranch.

00:44:26.640 Yes, ma'am.

00:44:27.760 And describe that for us.

00:44:29.620 Well, I mean, it's my family's ranch.

00:44:31.460 So we have, you know, a few thousand acres.

00:44:33.600 We operate a cattle operation.

00:44:37.400 And it's since the new administration took office, it has been just a constant battle fighting with the illegal immigration problem.

00:44:48.140 Have you noticed an uptick?

00:44:50.720 Oh, yes.

00:44:51.780 Oh, yes.

00:44:52.260 And I want to point out during, you know, there's always been people coming through our property as long as I've been alive.

00:45:00.900 Obviously, people have always been illegally crossing the Rio Grande, coming over here for a better life.

00:45:07.320 But during when President Trump was in office, during his entire time in office, we did not physically lay eyes on not one illegal alien the entire time.

00:45:21.900 Yes.

00:45:22.220 Two weeks after the current administration took office, we started seeing people just coming over here.

00:45:32.340 You can sit in our, you know, dining room table and look out into the back yard and you can see them running.

00:45:38.560 Is it wonderful families holding hands, skipping through your fields?

00:45:41.600 Or, I mean, do we have reason to be concerned about who's crossing in?

00:45:46.000 All of the ones that we have seen come through our property, they are all young males.

00:45:50.460 They dress in all black, big backpacks or all camouflage with big backpacks.

00:45:56.740 And they do not want to be caught because our local Border Patrol will tell us the majority of them, when the ones that they catch and they run them, they are wanted for murder, rape, just awful things.

00:46:11.060 The number of crimes that have already been committed by a lot of these folks is stunning.

00:46:15.300 And then we've seen from the stats that many of them go on to commit crimes inside the United States.

00:46:21.140 This has just been a super short block because we want to get another break in.

00:46:24.160 But we're going to come right back with Stephanie Crisp Canales and what she's had to do now with her teenage daughters to help keep her family safe. 0.94

00:46:31.880 If you think this isn't affecting Americans, you're wrong.

00:46:35.520 This is not all people who just want to live in America and do right and work and obey our laws.

00:46:40.040 Not by a long shot.

00:46:41.720 She'll be back with us in one minute. 0.97

00:46:43.520 Don't go away.

00:46:44.000 Welcome back, everyone, to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:46:51.540 We are talking about the border today, the southern border in particular, and there's a lot to cover.

00:46:56.160 Texas rancher Stephanie Crisp Canales is here with me to share her experience of what it's like living with this border crisis every day in a way few of us have to.

00:47:05.820 If you are a rancher or someone who has been affected by the border crisis, you can weigh in, too.

00:47:11.300 You can give us a call at 833-44-MEGYN, M-E-G-Y-N.

00:47:15.460 That's 833-446-3496.

00:47:19.860 Thanks for staying with us, Stephanie.

00:47:20.940 So you see the uptick as soon as Biden takes office.

00:47:24.760 And how many how many people would you say you see crossing over your property in a week?

00:47:30.220 Oh, it varies.

00:47:32.400 You know, just a few days ago, there were seven of them.

00:47:35.480 One afternoon, we find remnants of them.

00:47:38.920 A lot of them move at night because it is cooler.

00:47:41.860 So when you go through the pastures, you can find their backpacks, their clothes, everything that they left behind when the smugglers pick them up.

00:47:49.220 So it's a huge mess.

00:47:51.720 I used the term invasion earlier because I saw you on Fox using that word.

00:47:58.640 Is that why do you say that it feels like an invasion at this point?

00:48:03.440 Because they are everywhere.

00:48:05.120 They are all over your property.

00:48:07.620 They are, you know, the bailouts that that happen.

00:48:11.440 They drive these vehicles, drive up and down our road.

00:48:14.140 And we live on a on a dead end, little dirt road.

00:48:17.640 And, you know, all hours of the night you see a vehicle going past and you know that there are people out there going to jump in those vehicles.

00:48:24.400 And it's, you know, when you don't know who is on your property at any given time, it is so unnerving that it's an invasion.

00:48:35.360 Do you have any reason to believe that they have drugs or illegal contraband weapons, anything like that on them?

00:48:41.780 Our local border patrol have told us that they do carry weapons of some sort and they will tell us, you know, don't approach them.

00:48:51.800 You know, if they come to your door, do not answer the door.

00:48:55.560 Just consider them armed and armed and dangerous.

00:48:58.200 And so that's what we do.

00:48:59.220 I read I think your husband, Marcus, owns what, like a fishing and hunting and apparel store.

00:49:07.400 OK, yes.

00:49:08.280 So I read an interview, I think it was him who is saying he found some ammo on your on your property, some sort of like hollow point bullets.

00:49:16.420 Is that true?

00:49:18.140 Yes.

00:49:19.480 Yes.

00:49:19.880 And that's also very unnerving, you know, because that's where we live.

00:49:24.040 And we no longer, you know, walk around outside.

00:49:29.260 We if we leave our house, we have a gun on us.

00:49:32.880 We are constantly vigilant, even if we're just going outside to, you know, feed the animals, whatever it may be.

00:49:40.140 We are constantly watching our surroundings because they they have been known to, you know, approach ranchers and take over their vehicles and take off.

00:49:52.460 And this is another this is another thing that I try to explain to my friends in New York who are, for the most part, very anti gun and want all sorts of restrictions on guns.

00:50:03.900 And I say it's wonderful for you living in your high rise building with your doorman and several layers between you and any potential bad guys to take that position.

00:50:11.940 But imagine if you didn't have a police force that would come in two seconds.

00:50:16.520 Right.

00:50:17.020 Imagine if there were no layers between you and bad guys who are right in your backyard.

00:50:20.120 So, I mean, they're kind of related.

00:50:22.340 It's it's not an accident that a lot of folks who live in these more red states that are more rural and have to deal with these issues are not only opposed to this kind of immigration and want crackdowns, but are also pro gun.

00:50:33.960 Correct.

00:50:34.940 Unless you have been down here and unless you live down here, you have no idea.

00:50:40.600 I'm sure that, you know, when you call 9-1-1, somebody shows up relatively quickly for you when we call 9-1-1.

00:50:49.980 We're on our own, especially right now, since all of the troopers are now down in Del Rio.

00:50:57.680 We have just a handful of troopers left in our county.

00:51:02.060 We have, in fact, my husband came upon, there were seven illegal aliens on our property.

00:51:08.360 He called for the Border Patrol.

00:51:10.500 The Border Patrol told him, we can't, I can't send anybody to you because all of my agents are in the neighboring county processing people.

00:51:21.880 Is Del Rio where that is, that's close to you?

00:51:24.040 We are about two hours from Del Rio.

00:51:27.780 Okay.

00:51:28.720 And how old are you?

00:51:30.260 You have two daughters.

00:51:31.080 How old are they now?

00:51:32.800 18 and 16.

00:51:34.840 And so tell us what you've done to try to ensure their safety.

00:51:39.380 Well, we've had several discussions with them.

00:51:42.820 And of course, I'm being raised on, you know, on a ranch.

00:51:45.980 They are well versed with weapons, gun safety, things like that.

00:51:51.140 And, you know, as a, as a parent, you obviously will do anything to protect your children.

00:51:56.640 You know, you, you kill somebody, you, you will protect your children.

00:51:59.700 But when you have to have that talk with your kids about, you know, they may have to take somebody's life to protect their own.

00:52:07.220 And that was a really hard conversation to have with them.

00:52:10.820 And I never want them to be faced with that.

00:52:13.120 But the way it stands currently right now, we have to, we have to do that.

00:52:18.980 We have to have those conversations because like I said, nobody's going to come when, when we call for help.

00:52:23.780 Unless it's a neighboring rancher, which is what we, what we do.

00:52:28.880 When you see somebody like Kamala Harris basically ignoring this, she didn't go down to the border.

00:52:34.020 She actually went and threw the coin toss at the Howard University football game. 0.92

00:52:38.640 Our president was in Rehoboth Beach, which is a very, very lovely area of Delaware, enjoying himself on a bike ride this weekend.

00:52:45.580 Um, they weren't down there and they decide to weigh in.

00:52:50.100 She, Kamala Harris weighs in by saying how horrific the footage was of the border agents allegedly whipping the migrants, which again is not supported by the, the videotape that has been released so far.

00:53:01.700 And I should mention as well that the, um, uh, here's National Border Patrol Council slammed the Biden administration for, for condemning these images without understanding the situation.

00:53:11.820 They said they don't know what happened.

00:53:13.240 This is a legitimate law enforcement action.

00:53:15.920 This was meant to protect the migrants coming across.

00:53:18.580 They say, um, this is from the John Solomon reports podcast where they had the, the National Border Patrol Council on there.

00:53:24.140 They said they, the, they swing the reins around to keep the migrants from getting too close to the horse and getting trampled. 0.99

00:53:29.820 The fraternal order of police also came out and said, anybody with two brain cells knows that agents use split reins down there.

00:53:36.780 They do use them as a whip on the horses.

00:53:39.000 This helps get a quicker response from the horse to move out when needed.

00:53:41.740 Um, they were trying to keep people safe.

00:53:45.000 They say these accusations are motivated by ignorance and unhinged emotions.

00:53:49.600 I mean, you, I'm sure you've ridden a horse on your ranch.

00:53:52.180 Are you familiar with split reins and how they look and work?

00:53:55.360 Yes.

00:53:55.800 And it's ridiculous that these agents, um, are having to go through this.

00:53:59.600 They're doing their job.

00:54:00.960 Any, any cowboy will tell you they did nothing wrong.

00:54:03.980 And that's what, but that's what Kamala Harris is outraged about. 1.00

00:54:07.540 That's what she wants an investigation into. 0.99

00:54:09.140 Not how we got 16,000 migrants sitting two hours from you as random people run through your, you know, your ranch during the middle of the day. 1.00

00:54:17.360 And your girls are sitting there wondering if they're going to have to fire a gun to protect their lives. 1.00

00:54:21.160 She doesn't want to investigate that.

00:54:22.620 Stephanie.

00:54:23.080 No, that's not of interest to her.

00:54:24.380 We have been, um, and I speak for our neighboring, our neighbor, neighboring ranches when I say that we truly, we have been, um, ignored, forgotten, um, by our current administration.

00:54:36.340 It's, um, it's disgusting.

00:54:38.460 And what, can you talk to me about something called the bailout?

00:54:41.540 Cause I know you've said that multiple bailout vehicles, uh, cross your ranch as well.

00:54:46.000 And they've been in your town because I've been seeing the news reports since April talking about how they're increasing and there's warnings from the sheriff's office to protect your kids.

00:54:53.520 They're seeing a lot more immigration, illegal immigration and bailouts.

00:54:57.240 What's a bailout?

00:54:58.860 A bailout.

00:54:59.880 That is a, um, a stolen vehicle that's driven by a U S citizen.

00:55:04.360 They come down, uh, to the border and they pick up as many illegals as they can.

00:55:11.320 And they load up and they head North and, um, inevitably, you know, law enforcement will get behind them because they're driving a stolen vehicle with stolen tags.

00:55:19.720 As soon as the law enforcement, um, officer tries to pull them over, they will take off, uh, mainly because the driver who is a U S citizen does not want to get caught because that's possible federal prison time.

00:55:32.880 So they will go off the main road and they will go through our fences onto our property.

00:55:39.640 They will crash when they, when the vehicle comes to a stop, everybody in the vehicle will bail out and run.

00:55:45.960 And they all run in different directions because, you know, it's, it's harder to catch 20 people if they're all running in different directions.

00:55:52.360 Um, and then, so then as ranchers, we are left with broken fences, broken gates.

00:55:58.100 We have to make those repairs ourselves.

00:56:01.420 And it's, it's very frustrating.

00:56:03.620 Right.

00:56:03.840 Because that's, that's not only the cost of the fence, but it's the cost of the lost cattle and so on that you have to deal with.

00:56:09.500 Yeah.

00:56:09.620 And there's no way of tracking these folks down.

00:56:11.420 Just as an example, in April, um, the Cotulla independent school district posted a notice to its Facebook page.

00:56:17.580 Be watchful of children playing outside as areas in this County have experienced a great increase in chases and bailouts.

00:56:25.020 It's not possible to be too careful.

00:56:27.200 They said, keep a close eye on your children as they play outside, as they walk home from school or generally just leave the house.

00:56:33.920 And the local sheriff said, we're seeing eight to 10 car chases a day.

00:56:37.880 Now, big increases over the past, sometimes end in bailouts.

00:56:41.100 We're increasing patrols, uptick in human smuggling chases through neighborhoods, steps away from kids,

00:56:46.800 where kids play.

00:56:47.840 I mean, this is insane.

00:56:49.080 How are you expected to live like this?

00:56:51.740 Yes.

00:56:52.120 And that's what I mean.

00:56:53.060 People think, well, that's just happening out on ranches or, but it's not, it's happening in our towns.

00:56:58.280 And, and that is scary.

00:57:00.140 You know, schools, when you let out at the end of the day, you're, you're constantly, the teachers are, have to be vigilant.

00:57:06.940 And they, they do a great job of that, but it's, it's scary that we have to live this way.

00:57:12.660 And to the media that continues to refuse to use the word crisis to describe what's happening at the Southern border, what's your message?

00:57:20.020 I would invite them to come down here because until you, until you come down here and experience it firsthand with your own eyes, you're, you're not going to understand.

00:57:28.500 And, and either they don't, or they don't care.

00:57:32.320 Neither option's particularly good.

00:57:34.640 Stephanie, all the best to you.

00:57:35.880 Please stay safe.

00:57:37.000 You and your entire family.

00:57:38.720 Thank you.

00:57:39.820 My God, it's so disturbing, isn't it?

00:57:41.800 Isn't it?

00:57:42.540 Did you need to hear that?

00:57:43.580 Are you a Yankee like me?

00:57:45.220 I mean, I'm familiar because I worked at Fox News for 14 years and we did shed a light on this kind of thing.

00:57:49.720 And we got out of our media bubble and tried to understand what was happening in the rest of the country.

00:57:53.220 But too many in the media refused to do that.

00:57:55.800 Too many people who are city slickers just don't think this is a problem.

00:57:59.520 Well, it is.

00:58:00.460 You imagine getting a warning like that about your children playing outside.

00:58:04.100 We wanted to pick up the discussion on cartels, right?

00:58:08.400 The role that the cartels are playing in this border crisis.

00:58:10.960 You heard Dennis Michael Lynch talk about it.

00:58:13.120 And for that, we're going to bring in Brandon Darby.

00:58:16.080 Brandon was born in Texas and he's been reporting for years on the growing power of the cartels,

00:58:21.920 including their violent tactics, how they have seized control of entire border cities in Mexico,

00:58:29.000 inching closer and closer to the United States.

00:58:32.940 He is the director of Breitbart's Border and Cartel Chronicles and is with me now.

00:58:37.260 Brandon, how are you doing?

00:58:38.660 Hey, Megan.

00:58:39.260 Thank you for having me on.

00:58:40.620 Of course, my pleasure.

00:58:41.980 So give us the broad brush explanation of the cartels' roles in facilitating illegal immigration across the southern border.

00:58:50.040 Why do they do it and how big is their role?

00:58:53.860 Well, I think one of the biggest problems that I face and that my team faces in getting the word out

00:59:01.900 is that the U.S. government and U.S. media outlets – well, first off, most media outlets ignore what's going on.

00:59:11.040 Fox doesn't.

00:59:11.860 Breitbart doesn't.

00:59:12.680 But one of the problems is that we don't realize that all of these different cartels, right?

00:59:19.280 We have nine sectors on our southwest border, our border with Mexico.

00:59:23.720 And all of these different cartels control different regions of that border.

00:59:29.680 And all of them have different MOs.

00:59:32.200 All of them have different ways they do business.

00:59:34.340 They have different approaches to their business models, right?

00:59:38.340 They have different business models.

00:59:40.000 And as we move west along the border, the cartels there seem to be a lot more mature.

00:59:46.080 They have older people and leadership.

00:59:48.380 And they make decisions not only to make money today, but to make money tomorrow.

00:59:52.500 They want to have long-term profits coming in.

00:59:55.580 But as we move into the Texas border and we look at two groups, the Gulf Cartel and Los Etos, 0.71

01:00:00.980 what we find is that they don't really care if what they're doing today brings a lot more law enforcement presence and cameras.

01:00:10.560 They know that it's going to hurt their business tomorrow, but they don't care.

01:00:14.040 And that's why we see most of the people who come here illegally or for asylum, the people, whether you call them migrants or illegal aliens,

01:00:21.260 whatever terminology you want to use, there's a mixture of all of that.

01:00:26.000 That's why they come to these very specific areas.

01:00:28.620 It's because the particular factions of the particular cartels who control that territory there have decided that they want to embrace asylum seekers and illegal immigrants and migrants and refugee seekers and all of these things.

01:00:44.340 They want to embrace them as a business model.

01:00:48.440 So when we look at South of Texas and McAllen.

01:00:50.940 How does that work?

01:00:51.900 How does the business model work?

01:00:53.240 Like how do the cartels make money?

01:00:54.620 Okay, so what they do is they go into Central America, specifically the Reynosa faction of the Gulf Cartel.

01:01:02.280 They go into Central America and they encourage people to come and they say, look, you know, I know you don't have the money to come right now, but you don't have to have it.

01:01:10.960 We know where your mom is.

01:01:12.140 We know where your family is as collateral.

01:01:14.460 You can go to the United States.

01:01:16.860 We'll get you there.

01:01:17.840 You're going to owe us $7,500 or $10,000 or $5,000, depending on when it is.

01:01:23.780 But you're going to owe us this money and you can make payments to us every two weeks.

01:01:28.640 And you can pay it off over a number of years so that you can actually go there and your family will have something back here.

01:01:35.180 Your mom isn't walking around barefoot or having to do other people's laundry in their underwear. 1.00

01:01:39.600 And you can have some prestige for your family and have some money.

01:01:43.360 And so these people say, you know what?

01:01:45.380 Okay, like I'm going to do it.

01:01:47.120 And so they get in this agreement with the Gulf Cartel and the Gulf Cartel smuggles them in.

01:01:52.140 They train them what to say.

01:01:53.720 Some people want to be smuggled in secretly.

01:01:56.200 And that's one deal that they get into where they sneak them across the border and then sneak them into the interior of the United States.

01:02:03.580 And others, they don't have any criminal records or what have you.

01:02:06.940 So the Gulf Cartel trains them what to say.

01:02:09.660 And they said, you say you're in fear for your life.

01:02:11.920 You request asylum. 0.64

01:02:13.780 And this is what you're going to do.

01:02:15.140 And those are the people that we see turning themselves in the Border Patrol, which are the vast majority right now.

01:02:21.900 Wasn't during the Trump years, but it is now in the Biden administration.

01:02:25.760 So it's a and then those people are used to divert attention.

01:02:30.060 So the Gulf Cartel can get drugs in over here when they're sending families over here. 0.99

01:02:34.540 It's a huge mess.

01:02:35.780 But it but it all really is dependent on the specific cartels that we're talking about.

01:02:41.200 So why would the people want to get caught?

01:02:44.580 Why would they want to get detained and say, OK, I'm applying for asylum because it's a very low chance they're actually going to get asylum, though they'll be released into the United States?

01:02:56.240 I realize the Haitian thing is an exception to this because Biden had a temporary program that said you can all you're all going to be allowed to stay temporarily given what's happening in Haiti.

01:03:07.440 And so that was a major, major incentive, though you had to be here before July 29th, though a lot of people didn't get that memo, as it turns out.

01:03:13.680 But my point is, in general, what would be the incentive to actually declare yourself and deal with Border Patrol as opposed to just sneaking in and trying to get a job?

01:03:21.800 Well, you get to be here and you get to be here and it's a lot more likely that you're going to get to stay in the U.S.

01:03:29.680 if you turn yourself in and request asylum and wait the years for your hearing while you're free in the U.S. working than it is if you get caught sneaking in.

01:03:39.480 It's a very different situation. So if people step on our soil and they walk up to the first U.S. authority that they see and they say, hey, I want asylum.

01:03:47.900 That's a very different situation. And they're much more likely to get to stay for a longer period of time and have what's called a successful migration attempt.

01:03:57.280 Right. They're much more likely to get to stay if they do it that way.

01:04:01.960 And, you know, Megan, a lot of people miss this and people ask me all the time.

01:04:08.180 They say, well, is Biden responsible? I'm like, well, he's he's in part responsible.

01:04:11.580 Right. A big part responsible. The administration is.

01:04:15.320 But but what it is, is any time with illegal immigration or irregular migration or whatever you want to call it, you have to have push factors and pull factors.

01:04:23.840 Right. So the push factor is that it's horrible to live wherever they're living for whatever reason.

01:04:28.800 And the pull factor is if our policies encourage them to come, if our policies make them think that they're going to get to stay, then if you have those two factors together, it is inevitable that people are going to leave where it's bad and come where they think it's better.

01:04:45.880 And that's what we have going on right now.

01:04:47.920 So the cartels make money by basically extorting people.

01:04:51.780 They say, we'll get you across. You're going to get a nice job in the United States and then you're going to send back money to, yes, your mom, but also us for the next 10 years.

01:05:01.120 How else do they make money? Talk about the the drug factor.

01:05:04.400 Well, you know, when you talk about cartels, it's a very interesting situation because in Mexico, you have to picture that there's like this big circle of corruption.

01:05:12.800 OK, and the cartel is actually the drug cartel is actually just one small little slice of that pie.

01:05:19.540 Right. You have politicians, you have previous presidents of Mexico who are verifiably had campaigns that were funded in part by drug cartel money.

01:05:28.700 You have a lot of public corruption in Mexico. So the other piece of that pie are the politicians, the lawyers, the financiers, other industry leaders, and they're all part of that.

01:05:38.580 So every time we take out a cartel boss, right, we're just really removing one replaceable part of that pie.

01:05:44.940 And they just fill that in with someone else. And the rest of the circle is largely left alone.

01:05:49.320 We saw that recently with Mexico's former defense minister who was arrested by the U.S. for his role in being really the chief architect of drugs coming into our country through Mexico.

01:06:02.100 And then the U.S. government decided to let him go because of diplomatic pressure.

01:06:08.220 So it's a gigantic mess that we're dealing with with them.

01:06:14.040 You know, they make about like with the Gulf cartel, for instance, they make about a third of their money from illegal immigration or asylum claimants.

01:06:21.440 They make about a third from drugs and then about another third from from other business ventures that they're into extortion, avocados like, you know, getting, you know, protection money, kidnapping, bank robbing, all these kind of things, all these other crimes.

01:06:38.320 But about a third of their money comes from illegal immigration or asylum seekers.

01:06:44.080 But if you go west on the border and you go to all the Sinaloa cartel factions, that's not true with them.

01:06:49.120 They make most of their money from drugs. And it just depends on the reason that we're talking about.

01:06:54.520 And when you say drugs, I mean, the cartels. So they're they have drugs and they're sending drugs.

01:06:59.700 Their drug money is American drug money. They don't make all their drug money off of Mexicans.

01:07:04.600 They make it off of us. They need to get it into the United States so that, you know, because we have money and we pay for it.

01:07:10.200 And we have a lot of people who want drugs here, fentanyl and otherwise.

01:07:13.680 So, I mean, that's when we're talking about Mexican drug cartels pushing drugs or Mexican cartels pushing drugs, we're talking about pushing them to Americans, to Americans, to people in Western Europe.

01:07:24.140 But but in this context, with our border, yes, men, we're talking about they push those drugs to Americans.

01:07:29.960 And there's kind of a misnomer that that, you know, people will say, well, if the if the demand wasn't there in the U.S., these drugs, these drug cartels wouldn't exist.

01:07:39.000 And that's partially true. But it's really not completely true, because what we saw, like with methamphetamine, for instance, was the drug cartels began to push methamphetamine.

01:07:48.760 And then Americans started to have, you know, they started to focus on meth first, supplying it before Americans really had an appetite for it on a large scale.

01:07:58.860 So it really just, you know, it really just depends.

01:08:03.400 But when we're talking about the cartels, I really do think it's important that people understand the nuance between the various cartels.

01:08:11.700 Like it is in primarily the Gulf cartel, one faction of the Gulf cartel that's been leading most of the asylum seekers and illegal immigration into our country.

01:08:20.660 And recently we saw Los Etos decide, hey, wait a minute, we want to make some of that money, too.

01:08:25.820 And that's a large and large part why we saw the Haitians show up where they showed up at a region of the border that wasn't prepared is because another cartel decided they wanted to adopt that business model that the Gulf cartel had been using.

01:08:38.300 So, I mean, as a practical matter, what do they do?

01:08:40.460 They run around the Haitians have been hanging out in Mexico for a long time now.

01:08:43.680 I mean, since they say since 2010, this actually wasn't just in response to the earthquake or the assassination of their president.

01:08:49.980 This is just been coming for a while.

01:08:51.720 That's why it's not a proper asylum case.

01:08:53.840 You know, you seek asylum to escape an emergency situation in your home country.

01:08:57.780 That's not at all what's going on here.

01:08:59.220 They've been residing in Mexico for a long, long time from what we're told.

01:09:02.180 So what happens?

01:09:03.400 They start rounding up, just going around.

01:09:05.400 They know where the Haitians are hanging out and they say, hey, now's your best chance to make it in the United States. 0.87

01:09:10.460 Let me take you to this river.

01:09:11.980 Here's a suitcase or get your suitcase.

01:09:14.160 This is the plan.

01:09:15.120 Like you're going to you're going to cross over. 0.99

01:09:16.600 There's a bridge.

01:09:17.120 You're going to hang out there.

01:09:17.880 And then our last guest was a rancher talking to us about how she'd see an American come by in like a Jeep or a truck and pick up a bunch of these migrants who had crossed the border.

01:09:27.320 And they take off.

01:09:28.580 She was talking about bailouts, which I know you know about, too, where, you know, they get chased and then they stop and everybody runs.

01:09:33.400 They bail out of the car and then they're they're lost.

01:09:35.800 But is that all a cartel operation?

01:09:38.580 Like it's the nuts and bolts of it are kind of interesting to me about how they do it.

01:09:42.720 Absolutely.

01:09:43.220 It is.

01:09:44.060 You know, if we were talking about Arizona, for instance, in the Pet Canyon corridor where Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was killed or if we're talking, you know, in the Tucson sector, if we're talking about Texas, there's different ways that it manifests.

01:09:58.400 But like like in Arizona, for instance, in the Tucson sector, what they have is they're very professional.

01:10:04.380 They they generally avoid illegal immigration, even though that does happen.

01:10:08.540 It's not on the scale that we see in Texas, in the Rio Grande Valley sector or the Del Rio sector or even the Laredo sector.

01:10:17.300 But what they do is they have scout teams who cross our border.

01:10:21.040 They go deep within Arizona.

01:10:23.560 They get on mountaintops.

01:10:24.880 They have radios and then they monitor where all of our Border Patrol agents are and they guide the load through and they say, hey, don't come this way.

01:10:33.140 There's agents over here.

01:10:34.540 There's this many on duty and and half of them are over here.

01:10:38.140 So half of them are still out.

01:10:39.360 Wait, hold your load.

01:10:40.660 And then they guide the loads all the way to Phoenix with scouts on top of mountains in our country.

01:10:47.280 In Texas, it manifests very differently.

01:10:49.620 In Texas, obviously, we don't have the mountains along our border, most of our border.

01:10:55.500 There are no one else.

01:10:57.440 Right.

01:10:57.800 Not not not in the Rio Grande Valley sector.

01:10:59.600 But what they typically do to do there is, you know, women come from Central America, depending on whose estimate you listen to, whether it's Amnesty International or Doctors Without Borders, somewhere between 33 percent and 80 percent of all of the females who come through the Gulf Quartel territory from Central America.

01:11:20.380 Are sexually assaulted on the way, sometimes multiple times.

01:11:24.880 The expectation that that's going to occur is there.

01:11:27.380 They get to the border.

01:11:28.920 They're they're kept in a crowded stash house.

01:11:31.120 And then when the Gulf Cartel decides like, hey, we want to run a drug load through.

01:11:36.380 So now we're going to let you cross. 1.00

01:11:38.060 Some of them cross and turn themselves in for asylum.

01:11:42.180 Others don't.

01:11:43.440 And they get taken and smuggled across into a stash house in Texas.

01:11:47.740 And then from there, they get taken to Brooks County, Texas, and they are told to walk.

01:11:53.920 And it's just a short walk.

01:11:55.000 And then it turns out it's not a short walk.

01:11:56.720 It takes days.

01:11:57.680 And many of them die.

01:11:58.920 And that's why in Brooks County, Texas, if people were to research that, they'd see a lot of work that we've done in the Weather Channel and National Geographic.

01:12:08.100 Others have done work as well.

01:12:09.280 So many hundreds of migrants' bodies are found there because they're left.

01:12:15.780 Once they can't make it anymore, they sprain an ankle or they're too dehydrated and the smugglers just leave them.

01:12:22.320 And those smugglers are connected to the Gulf Cartel.

01:12:25.520 And so it just depends on where we are.

01:12:28.380 But I can tell you the issue is very complicated.

01:12:33.540 There are ranchers like the nice woman that you had on before me, and her experiences are true.

01:12:40.380 There are angel families who have lost their kids and their brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers to people who were here illegally. 0.99

01:12:47.880 There are also people who were here illegally and they had kids and those kids became doctors or got their PhDs or became law enforcement officers or served in our military.

01:12:57.880 All of these things are true at the same time.

01:13:00.380 And one of the reasons we can't deal with it as a nation and actually address the problem, this complicated problem, is because we have one side telling one set of stories and we have another side telling another set of stories, which all of them are true.

01:13:14.620 It's just that we can't reconcile in our head that they're all true together.

01:13:19.000 And coming up with a solution that everyone can agree on would be a lot easier if we just kind of acknowledge the particulars.

01:13:26.980 But most of us don't, right?

01:13:28.060 We stay on this very surface level.

01:13:30.280 And that's part of the problem we're dealing with, with cartels, with our border, with immigration, illegal immigration.

01:13:37.240 It's all kind of interconnected.

01:13:39.920 That's a great point.

01:13:40.640 I know that, you know, one of the things you mentioned is the use of women and the use of pregnant women in particular.

01:13:47.920 And that that was a headline coming out.

01:13:50.040 I'm trying to get my notes in front of me.

01:13:52.660 Ten babies have been delivered just since just since last Thursday.

01:13:57.040 Could be more now because this is an article from yesterday in that in that Del Rio underneath that bridge.

01:14:03.160 And there's a lot of more pregnant women there and babies crowded into these squalid conditions there. 1.00

01:14:07.880 But the use of pregnant women is a choice by a lot of these cartels. 0.94

01:14:13.300 And we're going to talk about that.

01:14:14.600 And we're also going to talk again with Brandon Darby, my guest now.

01:14:17.480 He's the director of Breitbart's Border and Cartel Chronicles.

01:14:20.200 Really thoughtful pieces, really thoughtful investigations.

01:14:23.260 And we're going to talk with Brandon about a Texas family.

01:14:26.680 And he's reported on this who went missing and the possible connection to these cartels.

01:14:31.260 And we would love to hear from you on your thoughts on all of this.

01:14:35.080 What are your thoughts on our vice president attacking the Border Patrol before knowing all the facts?

01:14:40.120 Now these guys are in desk duty.

01:14:41.580 Thanks to the DHS secretary.

01:14:43.660 Call me at 833-44-MEGYN.

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01:14:54.620 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show, everyone.

01:14:56.460 Gosh, there's so much to go over.

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01:15:03.960 That's 833-446-3496.

01:15:06.540 We'd love to hear from you on your thoughts on all of this.

01:15:09.940 Back with me now is Brandon Darby, director of Breitbart's Border and Cartel Chronicles.

01:15:14.240 Brandon, you've been doing such great work on this.

01:15:16.540 Can we talk about how the cartels, they want to attract pregnant women. 0.89

01:15:21.720 They use Facebook to attract pregnant women, and we're seeing some of that under that bridge 0.99

01:15:27.820 in Del Rio right now.

01:15:29.180 Why and how?

01:15:30.640 Yes, ma'am.

01:15:31.100 So in Mexico, WhatsApp, the app is very popular, which is owned by Facebook.

01:15:40.060 And they also use Facebook, right?

01:15:41.760 So they use social media and every other mechanism they can to get the word out that it's time

01:15:48.280 for people to come and that there's a mechanism for people to get here.

01:15:51.760 It isn't organic, you know, and that's one of the things I really try to impress upon people

01:15:56.440 is it isn't an organic thing that thousands of people, primarily from Haiti, just show up

01:16:03.300 at our border at this one particular point, right?

01:16:06.260 They were directed to go there and they were brought there.

01:16:10.260 They were encouraged to go there by people.

01:16:13.540 And oftentimes they use social media.

01:16:15.520 They use word of mouth, but they also use social media to get here and to encourage people

01:16:22.560 to get here.

01:16:23.200 Yes, ma'am.

01:16:24.160 Why?

01:16:24.620 Why would the cartel decide, you know, now September of 2021 is a good time to send all

01:16:29.220 these Haitians who've been here for 10 years across this particular point of the southern

01:16:32.560 border under that bridge?

01:16:34.580 Well, that's a good question.

01:16:36.260 What we do know is we know that Los Santos has decided to get into the migrant smuggling

01:16:41.960 business much more than they have in the past, kind of mimicking what the Gulf cartel 0.97

01:16:47.140 has done, or at least factions of the Gulf cartel.

01:16:50.160 We know that there were policy decisions in the United States and rhetoric in the United

01:16:57.040 States that gave people the idea that they would, in fact, be able to stay, that the environment

01:17:02.940 would be more friendly to them staying.

01:17:04.480 Um, and we know that, uh, people showed up here.

01:17:09.300 So, uh, all we can really say is that Los Santos decided now was a good time to do it.

01:17:16.100 Um, it's possible that some other organization decided now was a good time and Los Santos just

01:17:20.920 capitalized on it early on.

01:17:22.340 We don't really know that right now.

01:17:24.080 We have different, different ideas about it.

01:17:27.340 Are they calculating enough to take advantage of birthright citizenship?

01:17:30.720 You know, there are the cartels using women about to have a baby in that way. 0.70

01:17:34.780 Yes, uh, very much so.

01:17:36.800 And, and that's, that's one of those tricky things, you know, like I'm going to say this

01:17:40.900 is going to make everyone mad, but it's a tricky situation because as a mother, you can

01:17:45.320 understand as a father, I can understand why someone would want their baby to be a U S 1.00

01:17:50.360 citizen.

01:17:50.720 But at the same time, I can understand the effects on current U S citizens that that

01:17:55.660 occurs.

01:17:56.160 And, um, so it's a very complicated situation and the cartels are very well aware.

01:18:01.160 Uh, the cartels who were speaking of are very well aware of, of how to use media, how to use

01:18:07.140 media perceptions, how to run media campaigns.

01:18:09.660 Like when you look at the people who come across the border seeking asylum, uh, in the

01:18:15.720 Gulf cartel territory, like South of McAllen, Texas, or in and around McAllen, Texas.

01:18:20.080 Uh, those people are dressed in clean clothes.

01:18:23.220 They're dressed in t-shirts that have American band names on them or, you know, West U S clothes

01:18:28.900 because the cartel wants people to see that and wants people to sympathize with them so

01:18:33.580 that the cartel can continue to do more of it.

01:18:35.940 So they're very, very astute.

01:18:37.940 These are, like I said, these aren't just the drug dealers.

01:18:40.660 These are the lawyers, the politicians, the, the financiers.

01:18:44.600 Uh, these are very smart, capable people, um, who are, are benefiting from not only the

01:18:53.160 drug trade, but also from, from the migrant trade, uh, very smart, capable people.

01:18:57.880 And these are also, and you've, your reporting has helped underscore this.

01:19:02.640 I mean, cold hearted criminals, you know, you've reported on this like crematorium they

01:19:11.040 have in this one field where they're torturing people to death, members of rival gangs and

01:19:17.440 using a crematorium to, and, and, and vats of acid or what have you to dispose of their bodies.

01:19:24.160 I don't know what it is, but you, you've obtained some extraordinary footage and reporting on this.

01:19:29.460 Yes, ma'am.

01:19:30.180 We, um, our team routinely goes into Mexico and, and gets that footage and, and, uh, builds

01:19:37.580 relationships.

01:19:38.200 So people will give us footage in some cases.

01:19:41.100 Um, you know, a lot of our writers are in Mexico.

01:19:43.420 So they're, they're, they're journalists and others in Mexico who cannot write about what's

01:19:48.440 going on there or they'll get murdered.

01:19:50.060 Uh, people don't realize this, but, but more journalists get murdered in Mexico, uh, than

01:19:55.760 just about anywhere else in the world.

01:19:57.260 Uh, uh, you know, Syria last year, I think had more journalists get murdered, but, but Mexico 1.00

01:20:02.920 I think was number two.

01:20:04.160 And so a lot of our writers are actually people in Mexico who are Mexicans who cannot write about 1.00

01:20:11.720 what's going on there.

01:20:12.760 So what they do is they write under a pseudonym and they send us the stories.

01:20:17.060 We fact check in, and then we edit them and translate them to English.

01:20:20.800 And we publish so that the whole world can see, right?

01:20:23.280 At least the English speaking world and the Spanish speaking world can see what's actually

01:20:27.420 going on there.

01:20:28.180 That's our cartel chronicles project.

01:20:30.000 That's part of the reason why I think our border coverage is so thorough is because not

01:20:35.500 only do we have the sources on the U S side and can we travel the U S side, but we also

01:20:39.980 report on what's going on on the Mexican side of that border.

01:20:42.760 Uh, so it's very complicated.

01:20:45.200 You guys care.

01:20:45.740 I mean, unlike most media outlets, you actually care and you put the resources in it so that

01:20:49.480 you can shed a light on these stories.

01:20:51.800 Well, one of the things that I really want to convey to people just so they understand

01:20:55.680 the context, this is occurring with them in Mexico and on portions along our border.

01:21:01.560 You know, Mexico has 32 States.

01:21:03.120 Over half of those States are not technically under the control of their central government

01:21:07.840 in Mexico city.

01:21:09.180 They are, are controlled by paramilitary transnational criminal organizations that we call drug cartels,

01:21:16.860 but, but they're much more than that.

01:21:18.760 They have armored vehicles.

01:21:19.760 They travel in, in, in, uh, just like a military does.

01:21:23.580 They are paramilitary.

01:21:25.120 They have heavy weaponry.

01:21:26.740 Some cases they, they are using bombs.

01:21:29.500 They're using, you know, terrorism like, uh, to, to keep control.

01:21:33.520 So when Mexico wants to do a police action in Northern along our border, uh, South of Texas,

01:21:40.060 they can't send in the federales or the police.

01:21:42.520 They have to use their Marines. 0.89

01:21:44.180 They actually have to use their armed forces to come and go after these groups because these

01:21:49.640 groups are that armed and they are that much in control.

01:21:52.820 And I think people need to understand that.

01:21:55.340 I don't think it's, you know, when Beto O'Rourke or other Democrats say, oh, the border

01:21:59.220 is safe.

01:21:59.840 It's really flippant.

01:22:01.020 And not only is it dishonest, it's, uh, it's very disrespectful to the people in Northern

01:22:07.380 Mexico, right?

01:22:08.920 Who, who are living through this hell.

01:22:10.740 If we think what's going on on our border is bad, how do you think that people in Northern

01:22:15.420 Mexico feel about what's going on on the border and what they live under?

01:22:19.740 I cannot imagine.

01:22:20.840 And, and meanwhile, you've got a reporting like this saying as many as 50 people, including

01:22:26.180 a Texas woman. 0.98

01:22:27.200 This is from daily mail dated June 26th.

01:22:29.140 You guys have reported on it too.

01:22:30.260 50 people, including a Texas woman and her two children are missing after setting out

01:22:35.420 on three hour car trips between Mexico's industrial hub of Monterey and the border city of Nuevo

01:22:42.980 Laredo while traveling down a stretch of road.

01:22:45.280 The local media has dubbed quote, the highway of death.

01:22:49.740 What's that about?

01:22:50.660 Again, so there are certain places along the border.

01:22:55.020 And remember we talked earlier a little bit about some cartels, uh, don't care about tomorrow.

01:23:00.220 And some cartels are more professional.

01:23:02.200 Like if you move West in the United States, like with all the Sinaloa groups, um, in this 1.00

01:23:07.320 particular case, again, we're talking about Losetas.

01:23:10.000 They've changed their name to CBN, but I'm not going to let them rebrand.

01:23:13.740 They, they own everything that they've done to people.

01:23:16.460 And, uh, I still call them Losetas.

01:23:18.900 Um, and they control that territory.

01:23:21.100 Uh, the Mexican government does not control that territory.

01:23:24.120 They have, uh, municipal camera systems to help monitor people.

01:23:28.400 They have Intel data centers.

01:23:29.940 So when they stop people on the road, they can run it through and see if someone's a government

01:23:34.220 informant, if they're, if they have any problems with anyone in the cartel, if they're a U.S.

01:23:40.280 citizen or not a U.S.

01:23:41.380 citizen, what they're doing there.

01:23:42.760 Um, these are very, they are very, very much in control, just like a government and Nuevo

01:23:48.360 Laredo across the river from Laredo, Texas is the, it is the hub.

01:23:53.900 It is the headquarters of Losetas and they control that city with an iron fist.

01:23:58.240 No one goes in the city without them knowing it.

01:24:01.040 And no one leaves without them knowing it.

01:24:03.140 Um, and that's a, that's a problem.

01:24:04.860 And it's, it's also a problem because most of our border, the urban areas, the cities

01:24:09.820 have border barriers.

01:24:11.280 We can call it a wall if you want to call it that, but they're really big fences, right?

01:24:15.720 Uh, segments of big fences.

01:24:17.320 And most of the urban areas have those fencing except for Laredo, Texas and Laredo, Texas

01:24:24.780 does not.

01:24:25.580 And Losetas takes advantage of that.

01:24:28.380 Um, recently some of their hitmen came into Texas.

01:24:32.080 We reported on this recently as well, and actually did a hit job on someone.

01:24:36.500 Their assassins crossed our border, snuck into the U.S., killed some people and then

01:24:40.580 fled back.

01:24:41.680 And that's something that does happen.

01:24:43.520 I saw that they have, they have, they've arrested those who helped the hitmen, but they

01:24:47.260 didn't get the actual hitmen themselves.

01:24:49.000 But it's crazy to think of a 39 year old employee of a Laredo, Texas school district missing

01:24:54.420 now because of, you know, trying to take this trip and visit family, I guess, reportedly

01:24:58.620 in Mexico.

01:24:59.340 Last question, cause I got to run after this.

01:25:01.360 Um, you have made a point, uh, in your tweets lately saying stop blaming the migrants, stop

01:25:08.900 blaming the border patrol and said, and you said, don't be manipulated into getting mad

01:25:14.620 at the border patrol over this, these images coming out that, and, and sort of have been

01:25:19.600 reminding folks of the dereliction of duty that the media has shown in covering this case.

01:25:25.420 Want to give you the last word on that.

01:25:27.720 Yes, ma'am.

01:25:28.160 I, you know, we've been covering the, the, just the Haitian crisis under the border bridge

01:25:33.280 for several weeks now from when it was a couple of hundred people to where, to where

01:25:37.800 it went to 18,000 people and this administration left 18,000, mostly black migrants under a

01:25:48.040 bridge without proper sanitation, without food, without enough water. 0.85

01:25:53.560 They were living in their own excrement and media largely ignored it. 0.85

01:25:57.700 Not completely, but they largely ignored it. 0.97

01:25:59.660 They definitely didn't make it a big deal.

01:26:01.440 And they waited until a board, they had an image where the focus of the anger could be

01:26:06.820 against a board of a lone border patrol agent on a horse swinging his split reins, which

01:26:12.760 anyone who knows a horse knows what those are, who rides a horse knows what those are.

01:26:17.000 And they waited until they could make the focus of this story, the border patrol agent and

01:26:21.980 not the Biden administration, who that border patrol agent works for ultimately and answers

01:26:27.200 to.

01:26:28.320 And, and they've really, yeah.

01:26:31.360 So basically a lot of people were left under a bridge and nothing really of import was

01:26:38.060 done for them.

01:26:38.700 We had reports of border patrol agents having to buy stuff out of their own pockets to give

01:26:42.980 to those people, diapers and waters and food.

01:26:46.360 And, and the administration really dropped the ball.

01:26:49.300 And somehow or another, we're supposed to believe that that lone agent deserves all of the scorn

01:26:54.720 for the upset images that we're seeing instead of the president himself.

01:26:58.540 And I just don't think it's honest, right?

01:27:00.560 I think border patrol agents are oftentimes the focus, you know, people redirect their

01:27:06.060 anger toward border patrol agents.

01:27:08.180 And I think that politicians tend to, to redirect people's anger towards the actual border patrol

01:27:14.400 agent on the border, instead of the president.

01:27:17.280 They're being scapegoated.

01:27:18.340 And so keep an eye on how exactly that's done and how the media complies with it is complicit

01:27:23.480 in the effort.

01:27:24.460 Brandon, thank you so much.

01:27:25.480 What a pleasure.

01:27:27.000 It's been a pleasure.

01:27:27.800 Thank you.

01:27:28.160 Well, we'd love to know your thoughts on all that we've discussed today when it comes

01:27:31.360 to the crisis at our southern border.

01:27:33.060 Give us a call now.

01:27:33.980 833-44-MEGYN, M-E-G-Y-N.

01:27:36.920 That's 833-446-3496.

01:27:43.620 All right.

01:27:44.200 The phone lines are open.

01:27:45.400 Call us at 833-44-MEGYN, 833-446-3496.

01:27:51.060 Going to take our first caller, Kathy from Florida.

01:27:54.280 Kathy, what's on your mind?

01:27:55.120 Well, I have a daughter.

01:27:58.740 I just got so emotional. 0.87

01:28:00.940 It's ridiculous.

01:28:02.500 I have a daughter who's a border patrol agent. 0.92

01:28:06.440 And I have a son-in-law that's border patrol agent.

01:28:10.540 And, you know, so for them, I understand that border patrol agent on his horse is just trying

01:28:21.080 to control the crowd.

01:28:22.900 He was doing his job. 0.97

01:28:24.580 And for them to put him on desk duty is ridiculous. 0.52

01:28:29.780 And also that the vice president really has not done her job and she has no business 0.72

01:28:37.020 getting involved in this.

01:28:39.700 Mm hmm.

01:28:40.860 The same.

01:28:41.760 I mean, let's not forget, she called Jacob Blake a hero, right?

01:28:44.980 Who got shot by the police in the Midwest, called him a hero.

01:28:49.000 She's so quick to run in and comment on these cases before they've been adjudicated.

01:28:54.560 And then it seems to me the last thing these agents need is to have our leaders piling on

01:28:59.440 them, right?

01:29:00.060 Calling this horrific.

01:29:01.180 Who knows if she's even seen the tape?

01:29:04.100 Kathy, thank you for the service of your daughter and your son-in-law.

01:29:06.920 Yeah.

01:29:07.240 Oh, sorry.

01:29:07.740 Are you there?

01:29:08.520 My son is.

01:29:10.840 Yeah.

01:29:11.740 Go ahead.

01:29:13.220 Megan.

01:29:14.200 Yeah.

01:29:14.400 And my son is a professional polo player.

01:29:16.980 So, of course, you know, when somebody is around horses all the time, you can understand

01:29:21.260 how how they need to be controlling their animals.

01:29:25.040 And these people are trying to get away from them.

01:29:27.600 Mm hmm.

01:29:28.180 Right.

01:29:28.460 No.

01:29:28.900 And the fact that the media chose not to cover this at all.

01:29:32.360 And meanwhile, you've got 16, maybe 18.

01:29:34.900 You just heard, Brandon, say thousand migrants sitting there in these squalid conditions without

01:29:39.140 running water, with babies being born and inadequate supplies.

01:29:43.240 And the media has no interest because that's not going to help Joe Biden.

01:29:46.060 But as soon as they've got an image that they think hurts the Border Patrol, now they're

01:29:49.680 all over.

01:29:50.160 It's infuriating.

01:29:51.080 Kathy, thank you for calling.

01:29:53.360 Let me go down to Maggie in Pennsylvania.

01:29:56.660 Maggie, what's on your mind?

01:29:58.460 Hey, Megan, I'm from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

01:30:01.400 Pray for us.

01:30:02.020 We need a new mayor. 0.99

01:30:03.420 I don't understand why Governor Abbott, I think I've heard her rumblings, and Ken Paxton,

01:30:09.100 don't just go in there and tell the DHS, go fly a kite.

01:30:12.700 This is a scam.

01:30:14.360 Let's just take it over.

01:30:16.140 Remember how these special forces went in and actually brought Americans home. 0.99

01:30:22.020 Biden doesn't give a rat's ass about anybody. 0.99

01:30:24.540 This is a scam. 0.99

01:30:25.560 This is being run by Obama and Soros.

01:30:27.860 And they are truly trying to bring America down.

01:30:32.100 We know that.

01:30:32.900 Why are we sitting back and watching news reports nightly and letting them do this?

01:30:38.380 It's time to stop.

01:30:39.800 It's time to take action and stop it, because it's going to be horrible what's happened to

01:30:46.460 America.

01:30:47.340 Well, I'll say a word in Governor Abbott's defense.

01:30:50.420 I mean, he's he's one of the 26 GOP governors who's demanded a meeting with Biden to address

01:30:54.460 this so far.

01:30:55.520 No word on whether it's happening.

01:30:57.200 He requested an emergency declaration.

01:30:59.400 He said, you know, you got all these families, kids, they don't have adequate water, food,

01:31:04.240 medical supplies.

01:31:05.400 And then he actually on Friday signed a nearly two billion dollar border security funding

01:31:10.140 bill that's going to nearly triple the amount that they spend on border defense. 0.64

01:31:14.840 He says it's the Fed's job, but Biden's not doing it.

01:31:17.040 So Texas is going to step it up.

01:31:18.260 Border protection agents have encountered millions of immigrants, they say.

01:31:22.160 But now we're going to spend 750 million bucks towards the construction of a barrier,

01:31:26.780 temporary chain link fences, so on.

01:31:29.220 And he's actually started a crowdfunding crowdfunding site.

01:31:32.640 That's what it's come to.

01:31:33.920 But I mean, he's got to do something.

01:31:35.240 They've raised about 54 million for the wall.

01:31:37.460 They're going to use some of the Texas military to to now go to the border since we don't have

01:31:43.300 nearly enough agents down there.

01:31:45.020 And you heard that, you know, from our guests talking about how few there are down there. 0.84

01:31:49.560 It's just disgusting.

01:31:51.380 OK, want to get down to let's see, Richard.

01:31:54.520 Sorry.

01:31:54.960 Yeah.

01:31:55.080 Richard down in Texas.

01:31:56.820 Richard, what's the story?

01:31:58.420 Megan, God bless you for what you're trying to do, hon.

01:32:00.740 But this treasonous Chinese operative, Joe Biden and Obama and all of them behind him. 0.98

01:32:06.200 Why don't all we can really do, you know, I used to live on land out of Del Rio.

01:32:12.260 I'm a cattleman and a rancher.

01:32:14.000 And I tell you what, you've got a lot of good people back here in the country.

01:32:17.400 Y'all aren't hearing anything from us.

01:32:19.100 But when these good people start doing bad things, I believe it'll wake them up up there

01:32:23.920 in the White House.

01:32:25.040 But I pray it doesn't get to that.

01:32:26.880 But what is happening is a complete abuse.

01:32:30.400 Joe Biden or Joe, as I call him, because he's working for the Chinese. 1.00

01:32:34.140 He is not.

01:32:36.180 First thing he's supposed to do is guard America and her borders against all these things that 0.64

01:32:42.060 are happening.

01:32:42.900 If people do not see that he's compromised and Obama's right in there with him ever since

01:32:47.720 Obama, we've been calling it in the country and we've been right. 0.53

01:32:51.160 What they're trying to do is destroy the United States from America from the inside.

01:32:55.160 The only reason that they haven't let the Chinese step in here and take over the White 1.00

01:32:59.140 House and everything else yet, and maybe even the Russians, is because the citizens still 1.00

01:33:04.060 have their weapons.

01:33:05.280 And if they don't hurry and get something done, there's a bunch of people in the country

01:33:08.480 y'all aren't hearing from us, but they're waiting.

01:33:11.360 And when good people start doing bad things because this president isn't taking care of

01:33:15.680 business, please.

01:33:16.580 Well, we don't want that, but we do want you to defend yourself.

01:33:18.900 God forbid you find yourself in trouble with one of these, you know, potentially law-breaking

01:33:22.640 criminals who are crossing the border with impunity, right?

01:33:25.960 I mean, what other choice do you have?

01:33:27.500 Stay safe down there.

01:33:28.520 Thanks for your thoughts.

01:33:29.260 And thanks to all of you for listening today.

01:33:31.480 Want to tell you that tomorrow we're going to be doing a full show on Kelly's Court.

01:33:35.040 My favorite lawyers, Mark Eiglard, Shartha Idaal are going to be here.

01:33:37.540 We're going to talk Theranos trial, Elizabeth Holmes, and a bunch of others.

01:33:41.040 Download episodes of the MK Show on Apple Pandora Stitcher.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 22, 2021

The Truth about Del Rio and the Migrant Crisis with Dennis Michael Lynch, Stephanie Crisp-Canales, and Brandon Darby ｜ Ep. 165

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