00:03:30.680Thank you. Thank you. How's it going? Great. Congrats. Good start. Here's the big book. I love the cover, The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. I have to say, every single word was poured over, and I really like who fueled the world. The Forgotten Titan who fueled the world is supposed to rule the world, but he literally did fuel the world.
00:03:53.180He built an oil enterprise that was the largest in the world.
00:03:56.240By the time the Great War started, World War I started, his oil enterprise was larger than Rockefeller.
00:04:01.840He essentially pioneered the Russian oil industry down by the Caspian Sea in Baku, which is now Azerbaijan, but at the time was part of the Russian Empire.
00:04:10.900And he took the whole oil market by storm.
00:04:14.600They pioneered the very first oil tanker.
00:04:17.980So they started distributing oil around the world and shocked even Rockefeller.
00:04:20.760Okay, before we get into the details of how he did it and what happened to him, because basically the book revolves around two central figures.
00:04:28.440There's a young man named Emmanuel Nobel, and it starts even before Emmanuel was born with his grandfather, who's also, he's I-Manuel, like Emmanuel, but spelled with an I.
00:04:41.840And we start to hear about this guy in Sweden and his multiple sons.
00:04:47.120And the one son that I, Emanuel, had was Ludwig.
00:04:51.340And then Ludwig had Emanuel, our star.
00:04:54.280But at the same time, eventually, our star, Emanuel, was coming up.
00:04:58.440So was another little boy in Georgia, right?0.74
00:07:50.960Everybody knows the name John D. Rockefeller.
00:07:52.720I mean, Rockefeller is ubiquitous across the world as a super famous guy.
00:07:57.560Nobel, we know about the Nobel Prizes. That's what we know. Nobel Prizes. And that's Alfred Nobel, who's this guy's uncle. Alfred's the brother of Ludwig, Emmanuel's dad. And that's what people know. And I don't think most people don't even know beyond that, that Alfred basically invented dynamite and that the family was big into munitions.
00:08:15.140I mean, if you're over in Sweden, you know that.
00:08:16.680But here in America, you just kind of know the Nobel Prizes.
00:08:54.240World War I was our first mechanized war.
00:08:56.560We had tanks and trucks and planes and ships running on fuel oil.
00:09:00.660So all of a sudden, we needed petroleum more than any other conflict in the past.
00:09:04.120Suddenly, petroleum is more important than food for these armies and navies.
00:09:08.640And everyone was coming for Nobel's oil.
00:09:10.600And toward the end of World War I, Russia had already pulled out.
00:09:13.680They'd had the revolution. They're in the midst of a civil war in the middle of World War One, still happening. Everyone needs oil to fuel their armies. They're all coming for Nobel's oil in Baku in southern Russia. The Red Army, the communists are fighting their civil war. They're trying to get to the oil to stay alive.
00:09:29.960Now, Emmanuel is sort of a refugee at this time, but he's writing letters to the British Foreign Secretary, Balfour, who's in Versailles, sort of concluding the peace terms of World War I.
00:09:38.900And he says Stalin is coming for the oil in Baku.
00:09:42.300Baku is presently held by about a thousand British troops, which is nowhere near enough to defend it.
00:09:47.100And he writes to Balfour and he says in the spring of 1919, and he's saying if by August Lenin and Stalin and the Reds haven't gotten here to Baku to take the oil, they're done.0.74
00:09:58.420They will choke out for lack of oil, but they're coming, and you don't have enough people here0.63
00:15:05.440Yeah, they changed the name in World War I.
00:15:06.960And he makes it all the way out there, and he's sort of this charming, weird—you know, there was questions about whether he was even literate in his early years, but he's just got that, like, cult leader personality where he just manages to charm himself into every room.
00:15:21.400He charms himself all the way into the Winter Palace where he meets the Tsar and Tsarina.
00:17:03.840If you get this weird guy who smells like a goat who you think has cured your child of a devastating disease or of near-death experiences that he's having over and over, you want that guy around all the time.
00:17:14.920And so he won the favor of the Tsarina and therefore of the Tsar as well.
00:17:19.100But the rest of the aristocracy and the government minister is like, I can't believe that this lunatic charlatan monk is influencing the Tsar.
00:17:27.400And it really destabilizes the government. And this is why it's important for the Nobel story. Like it's the context of how even Lenin said, if it weren't for the feckless leadership of Nicholas II and Rasputin, who destabilized the monarchy even further, there could have been no revolution.
00:17:43.140Wow. And that's in the story of Emanuel Nobel, who was, you know, basically thriving beyond anyone's imagination in the Russian Empire with his munitions and machine factory and his oil empire.
00:17:56.600How that the only way that could collapse is if communism, which doesn't exist anywhere in the world, somehow enters the Russian Empire.
00:18:04.200And so this kind of context in telling Nobel story, the context is the story in a way like you can't understand what happened in Nobel without understanding Rasputin.
00:18:12.600and Nicholas II and, you know, the czars that came before it all sort of folds together
00:18:17.580into how Stalin and Lenin and the communists are introduced into the empire as well.
00:18:22.740It's like incredibly bad luck for poor Emmanuel. Like of all things, imagine building an oil
00:18:28.360business bigger than Rockefeller's and it's lost through no fault of your own because you happen0.79
00:18:34.480to live in Russia and Joseph Stalin took over who wants your entire business and that of every0.58
00:18:39.800private industry. And to bring it to present-day stuff, the more things change, the more they stay0.70
00:18:45.200the same because the effort to capture the sources of energy is the story of our times. You open up
00:18:50.780the newspaper today to almost any section of the newspaper, and that's part of the story in one way
00:18:56.340or another. The price of gas, the price of milk, the price of a book to ship around, the Strait of
00:19:02.160Hormuz, Venezuela, it's all capturing our sources of energy. And this story, this is like the first
00:19:07.980oil war. Look what they're arguing over right now in the Strait of Hormuz, right? It's like oil.
00:19:13.600That's really what we're upset about. The Iranians want to ship it. We don't want to let them. We're1.00
00:19:17.640blocking their ports. They know if they can stop others from going through that same strait and
00:19:21.440exporting their oil, they hold all the cards. We're still arguing over it. Yeah. And Baku has
00:19:26.080been the most abundant source of it, you know, for the first half of the 20th century, even in
00:19:30.520World War II. And explain what Baku is again. Where is it? That's not part of Georgia. It's
00:19:34.880like part of southern Russia? It's modern day Azerbaijan, right on the coast of the Caspian
00:19:38.760Sea, the west coast of the Caspian Sea. Oh, that doesn't help me. It's between the Caspian Sea and0.91
00:19:42.260the Black Sea. Okay. But southern Russia? Southern Russia, basically. I mean, it's not
00:19:46.380Russia anymore. It's Azerbaijan, but it was the Russian Empire then. And that's where Nobel built
00:19:51.520his oil fortune? In Baku. The oil fields all around Baku and the Caspian Sea. So from the
00:19:55.940Caspian Sea, you could take the Volga River north into Russia, or you could take, they built a train
00:20:01.720that could go from the Caspian to the Black Sea, and from the Black Sea, you could get out into
00:20:04.860the Mediterranean and the rest of the world. But Baku has been sought after not only in
00:20:10.660Emmanuel Nobel's time, but in World War II. Hitler was trying to get down to Baku to get the oil.
00:20:17.200He's like, my Nazi army needs oil. The only way to get it is to get down into Southern Russia and0.81
00:20:21.300get that oil. So when he was, what we now know is the Battle of Stalingrad, where the Nazis0.58
00:20:26.260actually stalled out, they were on their way to Baku. The Battle for Stalingrad is sometimes called,
00:20:57.260I went to Russia a couple of times to interview Putin.
00:20:59.460The first time was in 2017, and I met him at a different palace that's used by the royals, or used to be, and now is used by heads of state.
00:21:08.560And that's where I met both Putin and Prime Minister Modi of India.
00:21:13.180Here's a little bit, a quick look at where we met.
00:21:15.840This is in St. Petersburg, steps from the royal, from the winter.
00:22:55.160It actually reminds me of a cool part of the book, because there's some fun, you know, the whole book isn't about war and petroleum and communism.
00:23:01.820It's a lot of it, and also the American interests to sort of dive into Russia after all the chaos of the Civil War for our sort of Wall Street economic interests.
00:23:11.300But there are some charming detours in the book, particularly around, like, St. Petersburg.
00:26:15.720I mean, was he the richest man in the world?
00:26:17.400It's hard to know because sort of pulling together the financial documents of czarist Russia and then into the revolution is really hard to know.
00:26:26.860But certainly one of, if not, he was probably the richest in Russia outside the czar and could have been one of the richest in the world.
00:32:11.760And that was about the mysterious case of Rudolf Diesel, who is the guy behind the diesel engine.
00:32:16.720Most people don't even know that it's a proper name.
00:32:19.320Diesel gas is spelled with a lower D still at the gas station.
00:32:22.260But that came from Rudolf Diesel, a man, who invented the engine.
00:32:29.540And the reason I say they're similar, Rudy D and Emmanuel is they were both good men.
00:32:36.220Like they actually cared about the product they were investing in or inventing in Rudy's case and the workers who would come work for them.
00:32:45.600Like this was something in a country in which, you know, Lenin and Stalin would push the workers like we need a revolt, burn it all down, F the man, you know, all power to the Soviet, whatever.
00:32:59.540And it was hard to sell that to the workers who were in the employ of Emmanuel Nobel who loved him.
00:35:43.160He he worked with the Russian government. This is czarist, the czarist government before Stalin and Lenin and all that and got a government title.
00:35:51.520Eventually, he was Swedish, but he eventually became a Russian citizen.
00:35:55.040He was trying to, like, you know, lean into his new community and take care of the people and really did not see this particular threat coming his way, which who could.0.79
00:36:03.960but the other half of the book that we learn all about Emmanuel and the Nobels is we learn all0.80
00:36:10.540about little little Joey Stalin and what a terrible man he was in so many ways and for so
00:36:18.780much of his life now I will say there was one thing a couple of things that jumped out like
00:36:22.300you did a good job of humanizing him yeah in some in the ways that were available and I thought it
00:36:27.580was very interesting that even the greatest villains of the 20th century were little boys
00:36:31.300at one time you know and you learn about his really brutal childhood and he his genuine love
00:36:37.240for his first wife like he was yeah crazy about his first wife like genuinely in love and also
00:36:43.580a poet what was it he was into the arts in some way i'm trying to remember i mean he was a big
00:36:47.680reader he was a singer um so he a lot came out about stalin after the fall of the soviet union
00:36:54.220in 91 some archives become became more available so we learned a little more about the the young
00:37:00.040Stalin years. In fact, there's a book called Young Stalin by Simon Sibag Montefiore, which is very
00:37:04.380good. And he grew up in these hardscrabble streets of the country of Georgia. He was basically in a
00:37:11.820street gang. He was getting his butt kicked almost daily coming home from school. He injured his0.99
00:37:16.940arms. He had one arm that was kind of a little withered and smaller than the other arm. Not good
00:37:22.600if you're getting to street fights every day. And then he was, of all things, Stalin was studying to0.51
00:37:27.440be a priest for many years. He was studying to be a priest, and he was a big reader, and he was
00:37:33.040singing in like the choir. But in those years, he also did get access to Marxist thinking and
00:37:40.860writings. And as he was leaving, he abandoned the priesthood as a path. And just as he did that,
00:37:46.480he started writing for a Marxist paper. And he stayed in southern Georgia, and he essentially
00:37:52.820became like a gangster he would run protection racket schemes and he would rob you know payroll
00:37:59.900wagons going to banks and things like that so that he could take that money and send it up to
00:38:03.480to lenin and fund the bolshevik party and he became lenin sort of like gangster his main
00:38:09.860henchman in southern russia so he was the guy in the baku area can you give us a little bit on
00:38:14.760lenin just for people who don't we all know that name but like how did he emerge and become the
00:38:20.960the future leader he was the first leader before stalin of well it would become the soviets but
00:38:26.900you know the bolsheviks to begin from like hard scrabble background his mother was a sometimes0.62
00:38:32.400prostitute to pay the bills his dad was a this is all stalin his dad was an abusive alcoholic
00:38:37.440lenin came from a much better his his parents were more academic and like not exactly nobles but
00:38:44.320close, noble adjacent, I guess. But his older brother was, you know, just as Alexander II
00:38:51.760was, you know, introducing these reforms, his brother was one of those people who was an
00:38:56.340insurgent who was organizing and taking advantage of free assembly and free press to write
00:39:01.940revolutionary, you know, doctrine and sort of follow, you know, this sort of like urban
00:39:08.780overthrow the czar movement and he did attempt to assassinate uh the brother or lenin's older
00:39:17.020brother lenin's older brother and he was caught in an assassination attempt and he was hung they
00:39:22.580hanged hanged hanged thank you he had one of my pet peeves uh and so as a young boy uh vladimir
00:39:29.600lenin watched his older brother get hanged um and so that kind of sent him on a very radicalized
00:39:35.560radicalized path. And then he started reading Karl Marx. Yep. And he became a disciple of
00:39:41.660Marxist doctrine and founded the Bolshevik party. So when, when Lenin started getting political,
00:39:47.300was it like, was his goal from the beginning to turn Russia communist? Was that the goal? Like,
00:39:52.820I want to get rid of the monarchy. I want there to be a revolution and I want communism here and
00:39:58.420worldwide. That's my goal. Yeah. Yeah. The international play was, was big. Like,
00:40:03.080And that was one of the knocks on them after the October Revolution.
00:40:08.000There were some people are saying, you know, it's almost like today.
00:40:10.420It's like, is it Russia first or communism first?
00:40:13.820And a lot of people are saying, look, let's they're using Russia as just sort of a stepping stone for what was called the communist international common turn.
00:40:22.960Because they were trying to foment revolution in Germany and Britain and America.
00:44:19.600shaking her head no possible one might come to regret it
00:44:24.300so they say no yeah i mean the czar was so unpopular at this time and they knew it was
00:44:34.280going to be an unpopular move domestically and jeopardize them everyone was worried about
00:44:38.880worker uprisings and you know the quote-unquote proletariat and they just were worried about the
00:44:45.320PR of rescuing this enormously unpopular autocrat. Wow. And then, okay, so viewer warning, we pulled
00:44:52.400the second scene. I actually just watched this. I told my team to pull it and then I looked it
00:44:56.440online in my office and I feel the need to give you a viewer warning because it's, I didn't realize
00:45:01.920the crown really went that explicit, but it's a very explicit portrayal of what then happened
00:45:06.420not long thereafter to the czar, the czarina and their children. It wasn't good. It was
00:45:14.960absolutely brutal. And viewer warning, it's portrayed here in this second scene from The
00:45:19.960Crown. Who is this Duggar doing the killings? These are communist guards. You can see the0.88
00:45:32.580children. You can see the family sitting there looking scared. In view of the fact that your
00:45:36.400relatives in Europe continue to attack Soviet Russia, the Ural Executive Committee has sentenced
00:45:43.980you to death. This is for the workers, for the revolution. And Lenin was forced to do this
00:45:55.540because the czar could be a rallying point for the white army in the civil war. The Russian
00:46:01.020civil war is happening as this is all going on. It's the red army and the white army and
00:46:05.420the white army is the establishment. It's the, it's, it's basically the, they're only0.52
00:46:10.280united by hating communism some want the czar back some want more of a democratic government0.92
00:46:14.420it was a little disorganized which is why they didn't win really but they all hated the reds
00:46:19.240the white army okay and you were saying lenin was forced to do this why because the czech legion was
00:46:24.180coming in from from the east they were where the czar was being held prisoner the czech legion who
00:46:29.300opposed communism the czech legion it's a it's a military outfit from czechoslovakia that was still
00:46:35.400fighting from world war one and they hated the communists too and if they got to where the czar
00:46:41.780was being held he could have been freed and so as they started getting closer lenin just put in the0.68
00:46:45.720kill order you know to take him out because if he gets free then it's going to rally the whites and
00:46:49.660then we're going to be in a much worse shape jeez i wonder whether the king of england had any second0.84
00:46:54.440thoughts about his decision i mean reportedly he did he did i think because he then you know he was
00:46:59.680actually advised so he's sort of advised not to save the czar and then after the czar was killed
00:47:04.740they held a public ceremony in London to honor the czar, and he was advised not to attend,
00:47:10.760but he did attend anyway. Oh, sweet. What a guy. Really stuck his neck out. Oh my gosh. It's
00:47:15.760crazy how the crown portrayed it. It was very brutal. They not only shot all the family,
00:47:21.140but they bayoneted them. Yeah. Yeah. And then they throw them in a pit and pour gasoline,
00:47:27.780you know, it's like burn them. They were really determined to make sure that they were good and
00:47:32.300dead. And it was not ambiguous. And meanwhile, Emmanuel Nobel, all that's happening while
00:47:37.260Emmanuel Nobel is a refugee trying to hang onto his oil empire and preserve it from the Red Army0.59
00:47:42.660as well. So he and some other more like of the Russian elite go take exile. They're not leaving,0.95
00:47:50.840they're not out of Russia, but it's very difficult. I had to learn this for the audio
00:47:54.700Kislevodsk. They go to Kislevodsk. And he's hanging out there because, again, no one really
00:48:02.800thinks these Bolsheviks are going to be able to hold on to power. It's been quite a revolution.0.74
00:48:07.140We get it. Lenin and Stalin have got a bunch of tricks. We underestimated them. But there's no
00:48:12.040way these street thugs and bank robbers and so on are going to be able to actually govern Russia.
00:48:17.020So we'll bide our time. They'll fall apart and we'll return to the way things used to be.0.83
00:48:22.320Yeah. And so he's hanging out in this resort refugee town where there are other members of aristocracy and industrialists. They're all sort of buffered by a little bit of the white army there in this southwestern part of Russia. And they run out of rubles. And so Nobel sort of takes over and says, all right, well, we need another currency because they're all running around with like diamonds and stocks and hard assets. But they need to buy like eggs and things from the thing. So you can't just put a bag of diamonds on the table for your eggs.0.85
00:48:48.400so he comes up with this idea of nobel notes that's what the town calls it he comes up with
00:48:52.640a new currency and they call it nobel notes in honor of him so they develop a new currency so
00:48:57.380that they can actually sort of live and transact there in this town because it goes on for a while
00:49:01.940and lenin is up in the new capital moscow and stalin saying we got to nationalize take over
00:49:08.240the oil and so he's in lenin's ear saying that they need to do this lenin hesitates doing it
00:49:13.300because he's like well look we can take it over but there's no one in the communist government
00:59:32.500This is becoming a funny family story.
00:59:33.440Yes, our learned audience may know the name Daniel Juergen, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Prize, The Epic Quest for Oil, Money and Power, and The New Map, Energy, Climate, and the Clash of Nations.
00:59:44.700Okay, so Doug asked this guy if he would blurb the book, read the book, and boy, did he ever. He loved it.
01:04:06.320And that's not meaningful unless you understand how did it change day to day.
01:04:09.360Like if you're looking at a person who's on the streets of St. Petersburg after the October Revolution, like, well, what was happening on the streets?
01:04:15.660How did their lives change Monday to Tuesday as that happened?
01:04:18.740There are people standing on the sideboards of cars that they've taken over with rifles and pitchforks, and they're in the streets.
01:04:27.960When you hear it, like reading the memoirs of the ambassadors who were in St. Petersburg when that was going on, they'll have little details that aren't things that would show up in a history textbook.
01:05:03.360I feel like when I read it and then reread, I've read it many times now, but I wished
01:05:08.640that I had had the opportunity to read it before I went and met with Putin.
01:05:12.640I wish that I had had all that knowledge in my head because I do think it helps you
01:05:16.440understand Vladimir Putin a lot better.
01:05:18.220It's not about Vladimir Putin. He gets one mention in the book, but I think, but not much.
01:05:24.660But you come to understand exactly why he rules the way he rules, who he's like in history, who might be his mentors, the style of leadership, what about it is attractive to him and to the Russian people.
01:05:37.960Here, this is they're showing a picture of me sitting across from Putin.
01:05:41.520That actually is in Kaliningrad, where we had a very long sit down, which is where they keep their nukes.
01:05:45.780But we also went to Moscow, which is absolutely stunning.
01:05:48.840I have to tell you, like, again, if this war ever resolves and we get back to somewhat normal relations with them, Russia is a place everybody should go if they can.
01:05:57.140It's the Russian people are absolutely lovely.
01:05:59.640You know, I'm not making excuses for Putin and what's happening in Ukraine, but the Russian people are absolutely lovely.
01:06:59.300This is just some random room not being used at all.
01:07:02.500That's the life Nobel was leading, that kind of gilded, amazing life.
01:07:06.860And the street thug that was robbing banks, Stalin, eventually was too in a building like that.
01:07:13.100But to your point about understanding the Russian people and the style of leadership there, Russia is sort of this weird combination of east and west.
01:07:20.640You know, the czar is much more like a eastern, you know, Japanese emperor where they're sort of a deity on earth.
01:07:29.180He was the, you know, the eastern orthodox church, but he was God's deputy on earth.
01:07:34.840And there's a great line from Nicholas I was teaching Alexander II, this is going back a few czars, but he was talking about Napoleon and he's saying, you know, Napoleon, he says, you know, to rule, sometimes you are kind and you're helpful and you give, and then other times you're the lion, you know, and he was saying to his son, he was advising him about how to become the czar.
01:07:54.660He was saying that works in Western Europe,
01:07:56.360but in Russia, you can be only the lion.
01:10:08.160You will be entertained, and you will learn something, and it's actually stuff that's very relevant to everything that's going on in the news today.
01:10:13.780not necessarily Tom Brady, but maybe, I mean, you kind of made the connection. So maybe it is,
01:10:18.540maybe we can make the case. Tom Brady, who we've met a few times. I don't think he's a bad guy.
01:10:25.320I don't think you think he's a bad guy. However, there is something weird about Tom Brady.
01:10:29.640Something's happening. Something's happening. And we've also talked about this many times
01:10:32.540in our private life. What's happening with his looks? Okay. We were not sure, but he recently
01:10:38.460walked the runway at the Gucci cruise fashion show in New York. It's all leather.
01:10:46.540Yeah. It doesn't look like anything any man would want to wear on a cruise. I don't understand what
01:10:51.900man would wear head to toe leather on any sort of a cruise. No, that seems off to me. And it has led
01:10:59.460to the following comments online. Why is he walking like Robocop? Why is he walking like the Tin Man?
01:11:04.940He appears to be in some physical pain just walking.
01:13:44.500You and I have been, it's hard for us to watch TV because we just don't have a lot of time.
01:13:49.200And then we make the mistake of starting a TV show with our kids.
01:13:52.480and then we're dead because it's like getting all of us together is impossible it's so hard
01:13:56.340like you can't watch a series with the kids anymore it's just so hard every between everybody's
01:13:59.420schedule but one of the ones we gave a shot to we did watch um yellowstone yep not all of it yeah
01:14:05.780but a lot of it um wait were the kids doing no no they weren't they were not that was not
01:14:11.120appropriate for the kids um and and that would become relevant in your other job which is hosting
01:14:16.760dedicated with Doug Brunt where you have on very famous authors it's like been all of the most
01:14:21.560famous authors on earth have swung by except for stephen king because he's weird and probably too
01:14:27.760far left he's welcome yeah he probably looked googled you and was like it's a no i don't know
01:14:32.380if he leaves maine or florida i don't know he probably has a compound he doesn't leave much
01:14:36.100although you get you get lefty authors you get righty it doesn't like it's not a political show
01:14:40.000it's not a political show so on dedicated with doug brunt which you guys should download that's
01:14:43.900his podcast um they have a cocktail they have the writers whose doug doug is hosting their favorite
01:14:49.980cocktail and they talk about maybe that author's book and maybe just the process by which they
01:14:55.520wrote it and write their books in general and what their life is like so like if you're a fan
01:14:59.420of james patterson or let's say or lee child it's like sitting in a bar next to him and having a
01:15:03.800conversation and learning all about them yes so do you want to set up this clip is this cj box yeah
01:15:09.140yeah uh so cj box great writer um he writes these joe pickett novels where joe pickett is a
01:15:16.420park ranger uh kind of heroic figure out and cj box also lives in wyoming but that's largely where
01:15:23.600the books take place on these ranches and uh parks out west and so he's in we're having cocktails i
01:15:30.140guess we're like this episode's coming out this this tuesday a week from today a week from today
01:15:34.160it'll be out sorry keep going um so but we just recorded it uh in new york and so we're a couple
01:15:39.440bourbons in and we're we're talking about you know things in the genre generally of which the
01:15:43.960tell taylor sheridan shows are are you going to show some of the clip yeah i'll just say yeah so
01:15:48.100the the idea of taylor sheridan and those shows comes up which are very much in the wheelhouse
01:15:53.360of these number one best-selling books that cj box writes okay let's let's take a look at this
01:15:58.600clip from dedicated with doug brunt sought one what do you think of all the taylor sheridan stuff
01:16:03.280is that accurate you know the yellowstone and um i uh i don't know how accurate it all is um it's
01:16:12.020certainly popular i mean it's everybody we know watches all the shows um i have trouble with some
01:16:18.800of it and some of the renderings um ranch stuff that you know is not really true but um but it's
01:16:24.900also has to suspend disbelief and one thing taylor sheridan has done is is reintroduce modern
01:16:30.320westerns to modern audiences yeah you know it's wildly popular yeah so i guess that's good i find
01:16:35.580after about episode five i'm like i think i've seen enough it's starting to feel the same to me
01:16:39.920But I love the first few, like even with Landman, I kind of, I tapped out after about five episodes because some of the, particularly the female characters, they're like caricatures of themselves.0.65
01:16:49.220And they're just, they're so ridiculous in every scene.
01:16:52.180It's like, okay, it's starting to, it was so amped up all the time that amped up has now felt kind of flat.0.88
01:25:13.900So I grabbed the pillow, put it over my lap, and it sort of muffles my stomach sounds.
01:25:18.660So people can picture Doug holding his little lovey pillow while he does the read for The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel out today in a store near you.
01:28:34.160It also will make it a great gift as we go into the Father's and Mother's Day season.
01:28:39.480So check it out and possibly buy it for somebody who you love.
01:28:43.160And speaking of loving people, I heard the most outrageous set of soundbites on my pal Maureen Callahan's show, The Nerve, on Friday, which is a great show.
01:28:56.820She actually took the time to listen to this weird new podcast that I don't know if it's a real thing or if they just did it the one time.0.97
01:29:06.020But it's these obnoxious, insufferable late-night hosts sitting around patting themselves on the back.0.64
01:29:11.760And what they decided to talk about, you know, as all married men want to, is which female guest they've had on their shows who they want to sleep with.
01:29:24.680Honestly, this is so inappropriate on so many different levels.
01:29:27.860And here is Stephen Colbert in SOT 10.
01:29:30.980Has there been a guest who was so attractive that you found it distracting?
01:29:35.860I'll tell you who I did not expect to be wildly attracted to.
01:29:39.860Like, I didn't know what to do with myself, is that I did not, because I don't, I don't, I like this person's work, but I never thought of him as like a bombshell.
01:29:47.540I could not, I didn't know what to do with my eyeballs when Michelle Williams was on for the first time.0.99
01:29:52.440She sat down across from me and I went, fuck, what is wrong with my head?0.99
01:29:55.500I cannot, I better not look directly at her for this entire interview.0.99
01:29:59.140There was something about her vibe, her face, everything.0.99