The Megyn Kelly Show - The Truth About Hunter Biden's Legal Troubles, and a Border Surge, with Sen. Ron Johnson and Joe Pags ｜ Ep. 295

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.600 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh my gosh, we have so much

00:00:15.800 to get over today. We are excited to go through all of the info flowing in as the dam has officially

00:00:22.400 broken on the Hunter Biden story. Every day now, there are major new developments involving the

00:00:27.680 president's son. And I'll tell you why this is happening, because the mainstream media has

00:00:31.000 figured out the guy's going to be indicted. And they ran to the story late to the party to try to

00:00:35.680 cover their butts on it, saying, oh, we've reported on it. We've reported on it because there are

00:00:41.660 nothing to see here. Responses to all of this from the White House are not going to fly once Hunter

00:00:46.720 Biden gets indicted, which really very much looks like it's about to happen. In just the past 24

00:00:51.180 hours, we have learned that the man who gave the info from Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop to the

00:00:56.340 media and the lawmakers, not the not the guy, not the legally blind computer fixer, but this other

00:01:04.200 guy who had it and he gave it to the media and he gave it to lawmakers. That guy has reportedly fled

00:01:09.160 to Switzerland. He's worried about his safety and his ability to live. And now he's threatening to

00:01:15.860 release even more information from the hard drive he holds. He says he's found thousands of deleted

00:01:21.320 files that have not yet been reported on. Plus, Fox News is now reporting that in 2017,

00:01:28.140 Joe Biden, Mr. I've never spoken to Hunter about any of his overseas businesses,

00:01:33.620 wrote a college recommendation letter for the son of one of Hunter's Chinese business partners.

00:01:39.160 That's chummy. He wrote it to Brown University, according to Fox. They reached out to Brown University

00:01:45.340 directly to the chancellor there, who is allegedly allegedly to whom he addressed the letter.

00:01:51.920 And Fox asked her whether she had received it and she won't comment.

00:01:56.100 She's not going to get away with that. We're going to find out. My first guest today says flat out that

00:02:00.340 President Biden is lying to the American public and has pursued this matter in the face of tons of

00:02:05.380 blowback. But the man will not be stopped. Senator Ron Johnson is a Republican from Wisconsin. Senator,

00:02:14.860 thank you so much for being here. Well, Megan, happy to be here, man. They've thrown everything at you.

00:02:20.000 They make you sound like a lunatic conspiracy theorist, nutcase, you know, all of that.

00:02:25.140 But you and Senator Chuck Grassley have stayed on the Hunter story, refusing to be shamed out of it.

00:02:31.000 And now the New York Times and The Washington Post suddenly say, oh, the laptop actually was

00:02:38.620 verifiable and are pursuing the stories they're in. Let me just start with whether you agree with me.

00:02:43.320 The reason they did that well over a year past the election, when they all suppressed it and

00:02:49.120 pooh-poohed it and dismissed it, is something's about to happen to Hunter and they don't want to look 0.99

00:02:54.040 stupid. Yeah, I'm not sure what the Justice Department is going to do. I'm always a little concerned. I 0.98

00:02:58.600 don't trust the investigation. But I completely agree with you that what The New York Times and

00:03:03.440 The Washington Post are doing is a CYA. I've been saying that they've learned well from their coverage

00:03:08.940 of Nixon's Watergate scandal, where those co-conspirators employed the modified limited hangout.

00:03:15.380 That's an intelligence operation where you just, when you're caught in a lie, when you're caught in a

00:03:20.680 cover-up, you provide a little bit of truth to just get past the moment. And I think that's exactly what

00:03:25.440 the major news outlets are doing. They're not giving us the whole truth, not by a long shot.

00:03:30.420 They're still not taking this overly seriously. They're doing this just because they have to.

00:03:34.280 And they are very quick to point out no involvement of Joe Biden, no proof Joe Biden knew of any of

00:03:40.320 this. And I would say there's no smoking gun on Joe Biden, but there's certainly circumstantial

00:03:45.880 evidence that he was helping his son and that he knew very well his son was involved in these sketchy

00:03:51.740 overseas business dealings. I just want to go through it with you because you truly, you're

00:03:56.120 the expert. This is from Andy McCarthy, who's got a great piece out today in National Review called

00:04:01.000 Does Hunter Biden Face Indictment? And as always, you can take him to the bank. He writes that Hunter

00:04:06.140 has a penchant for landing big paydays in corrupt and authoritarian countries where his father wielded

00:04:11.520 influence over American policy. Now that is true. And he goes on to say the following regime

00:04:17.660 connected characters in countries where Joe Biden played point man on Obama administration

00:04:21.840 policy had a curious habit of paying gargantuan sums of money to his inexperienced, unaccomplished

00:04:27.980 son. Even as Hunter's life spun out of control in a maelstrom of alcoholism and drug abuse,

00:04:34.040 a broken marriage, an affair with his brother's widow, an affair with a stripper who won a paternity

00:04:37.580 suit against him, a new wife whom he married six days after they began dating, financial woes

00:04:41.900 and investigation involving his having lost a handgun and tainted transactions that have resulted

00:04:46.620 in felony convictions of his closest business associates. Point being, these guys paid him for

00:04:51.620 access, not because of his special management skills. Very clear. So you've been going through

00:04:58.600 it. And as I understand it, it's Ukraine, it's Russia, it's China, the three places where he had

00:05:03.380 these sketchy connections. Let's start in Ukraine. It's Burisma, essentially, right? Does it go beyond

00:05:09.700 the fact that this oil and gas company hired him and paid him 50 grand a month to sit on the board,

00:05:14.420 a guy who had no oil and gas experience, Hunter Biden?

00:05:18.420 Well, that's certainly one of them. We also have this Meta Biota company that there's some

00:05:24.100 connection in terms of trying to raise financing for this company that apparently was involved in

00:05:29.480 the bio labs in Ukraine. But, you know, the main charges, the main conflict of interest had to do

00:05:36.920 the Burisma. And Megan, what's interesting is if you look at the timeline of this, the Ukrainians 0.63

00:05:42.980 had their revolution of dignity in February of 2014. This is right about the time that Hunter Biden's

00:05:47.780 really cracking the code on how to cash in on his dad's position and the family name. Within two

00:05:53.640 months, Devin Archer, Hunter Biden's business partner, who's now a convicted felon, met with Joe

00:05:59.640 Biden in the White House. You realize, you know, a meeting with a sitting vice president in the White

00:06:05.020 House. That's kind of a big deal. Not everybody gets to have that type of connection. Devin Archer

00:06:12.080 did get that meeting. Five days later, Joe Biden jets off to Ukraine, is named the point person for

00:06:21.060 the Obama administration dealing with Ukraine. A day after that, Devin Archer is named to the board

00:06:26.160 of Burisma. A few days after that, you have the owner of Burisma. He has about $23 million of his assets

00:06:33.520 seized in London because he's corrupt. A couple weeks after that, lo and behold, Hunter Biden joins the

00:06:39.440 board. So when you take a look at, you know, how much activity, by the way, they're also doing the

00:06:44.400 communications and deals with the wife of the former mayor of Moscow in the same time frame, in April 2014.

00:06:52.700 So these were some busy little beavers here, vacuuming up dollars, cash, based on the Biden name and

00:06:59.980 vice president's Biden's position. And this is this is all while Joe Biden is the sitting vice

00:07:06.180 president, because we'll get to China, but they try to excuse everything that was done with China

00:07:10.140 as well. He was private citizen, private citizen, private citizen, none of your business. And it's

00:07:15.260 of course, it's in between his term as vice president. And when he was already forming,

00:07:19.440 you know, all the committees and so on necessary to run for president, of course, a position that

00:07:24.900 he now holds. So it's not it's not as simple as like Megyn Kelly, private citizen. It's it's a lot

00:07:30.960 more complex. But with Ukraine, he was in office. Yes. And, you know, Hunter's businesses and he's

00:07:38.680 has all kinds of different businesses. So it's kind of hard to say, you know, Hunter got this directly.

00:07:44.140 All this money is is and I'll say laundered through his businesses. And, you know, they go they flow from

00:07:50.500 one business to another business is just very hard to track. But all this happened while Joe Biden was

00:07:56.020 vice president and was the point person. It gave individuals in the State Department all kinds of

00:08:02.000 fits. George Kent was was relatively upfront in saying that, you know, that conflict of interest

00:08:09.500 was a problem for policymakers in Ukraine, because U.S. policy toward Ukraine was primarily to help them

00:08:16.060 rid the country of corruption. That's what the whole revolution of dignity was about, was the

00:08:23.580 Ukrainian people sick of the legacy of corruption under a Soviet domination. And they wanted to shed

00:08:30.100 themselves up. So they had a revolution. And lo and behold, you got vice president coming in there,

00:08:35.440 having his son join these boards. Absolutely corrupt deal. And so obviously, it was very difficult for

00:08:43.500 U.S. policymakers to really accuse Ukrainians of corruption when you've got the vice president

00:08:49.160 jetting in there, his son taking advantage of the situation is very uncomfortable. But again,

00:08:55.680 the mainstream media just looked the other way and said there's nothing, nothing to see here,

00:08:59.260 nothing illegal here. Just something incredibly sleazy. And if I'm not mistaken, there's evidence of the

00:09:06.500 number three Burisma official coming to the White House and visiting with Joe Biden. And when confronted

00:09:12.740 with this during the campaign, Mr. Biden's people said, oh, well, there's no White House log of the

00:09:17.960 meeting. It's like, well, that's not the kind of meeting you would put down. But they didn't deny

00:09:24.260 that it happened. Well, that's also the kind of information the deep state hides as well. But you

00:09:29.640 said the New York Times and the Washington Post said there's no evidence. There's all kinds of evidence.

00:09:35.000 And I wouldn't say it's more than circumstantial. I mean, you have eyewitness testimony by Tony Bob

00:09:39.580 Lincey, who met with Joe Biden. Now, that meeting was about their business arrangement,

00:09:46.900 this investment firm that was going to hoover in funds from China. Joe Biden met with Tony

00:09:54.020 Bob Lincey. Tony Bob Lincey says that Joe Biden was compromised. You have all these photos with Joe

00:09:59.920 Biden meeting with Hunter Biden's business associates. I mean, how can you say there's no evidence? There's

00:10:04.240 all kinds of evidence. But the only thing we don't have is a confession from President Biden. He's

00:10:10.940 just lying. I don't know why anybody would would ever believe him because he's lied repeatedly that

00:10:15.680 he never talked to Hunter about his overseas businesses. We have Amos Hochstein that told a

00:10:21.100 pretty convincing story that almost certainly proved that Joe Biden had to talk to Hunter because he

00:10:27.780 arranged meetings on this conflict of interest in Ukraine. So again, there's there's all kinds of

00:10:32.740 evidence right here. So at least with respect to lying, at least with respect to Ukraine and China,

00:10:39.300 there is evidence that Joe Biden was personally involved. Again, the White House tries to dismiss

00:10:43.920 all of China by saying private citizen at that time, private citizen. I don't know how you excuse

00:10:48.400 the meetings with Ukraine. They're trying to deny some of them, as I say. Well, not on the White House

00:10:53.160 log. That's not a denial. That's a non-denial denial. And there are other interactions between Joe

00:10:58.940 Biden and Hunter's Ukrainian pals at the time. He was getting 50 grand a month. Again,

00:11:04.100 the guy knew nothing about oil and gas. Absolutely no oil and gas expertise. And yet they paid him that

00:11:08.800 amount to sit on this board. Clearly a pay for access relationship. And yet here is Joe Biden. This

00:11:15.040 is a montage soundbite to making very clear from Fox News that he wants us to believe he's never

00:11:23.480 discussed the Hunter business deals.

00:11:24.860 Mr. Vice President, how many times have you ever spoken to your son about his overseas business

00:11:31.620 dealings? I've never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings. I've never discussed

00:11:36.280 with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their businesses, period. And what

00:11:43.820 I will do is the same thing we did in our administration. There will be an absolute wall

00:11:49.060 between personal and private and the government. Do you stand by your statement that you did not discuss

00:11:55.960 any of your son's overseas business dealings? Yes, I stand by that statement.

00:12:00.580 All right. So how do we know that's not true? Because I understand meetings could just been

00:12:04.500 glad-handing. Could it just been a courtesy, you know, hi, how you doing? I'm the vice president.

00:12:09.040 Bye. What proof is there that they actually discussed business dealings?

00:12:13.820 Well, again, short of a confession by the co-conspirators, I guess you're not going to

00:12:20.000 have proof, but you have such, you know, strong circumstantial evidence that, I mean, there's

00:12:26.000 no way. I mean, there's a father and a son. How is his son getting all this money? How's he

00:12:32.140 living this lifestyle? There's all kinds of proof in terms of Joe trying to help him out financially

00:12:40.320 when he's, you know, holed up in a hotel with his lady friends. So no, there's all kinds of

00:12:46.620 evidence coming out of the laptop. There's probably a lot more evidence when you come out of that

00:12:49.980 laptop. It's just that the mainstream media doesn't want to authenticate it. And that's part of the

00:12:55.180 problem. If the mainstream media doesn't bless it, I guess the evidence doesn't exist. I just

00:13:00.200 reject that notion. Well, didn't they ride together on Air Force Two to Beijing? And then Hunter Biden

00:13:07.020 got some windfall out of Beijing, like very soon thereafter. Can you tell us about that?

00:13:13.880 That was the commitment to set up this large investment fund. And I believe there's a photograph

00:13:19.500 of them, or at least reports of them, Vice President Biden shaking hands on the tarmac with

00:13:25.080 one of Hunter's business associates. So again, you know, Megan, I don't know all the details.

00:13:31.200 It's kind of hard to track this down. We've, you know, we've asked for bank records. Now we've

00:13:35.600 gotten bank records to verify the transactions we got from the United States Treasury, which we based

00:13:41.720 our report on. But I'll tell you who does know all the details, Chinese intelligence, Russian

00:13:48.080 intelligence, my guess, probably Iranian and North Korean intelligence. I think even probably elements

00:13:53.760 within our own federal law enforcement agencies and our own US intelligence agencies probably know as

00:14:00.420 well. They're just not going to tell the American public. They're not going to tell members of

00:14:04.420 Congress. They're going to keep that hidden deep in the deep state.

00:14:08.440 Well, look, if he was writing an Air Force Two, correct me if I'm wrong, but he must have been

00:14:12.000 the sitting vice president when at least that piece of Hunter's Chinese windfall went down.

00:14:17.820 Yeah, he was. No, these things were occurring while Joe Biden was in office. And we still don't know

00:14:24.020 whether Hunter Biden is disentangling himself from some of his financial arrangements. Right now,

00:14:29.400 he's living pretty high in the hog, you know, $20,000 a month, the pad on Malibu forcing the

00:14:36.140 Secret Service to rent a $30,000 a month home so they can protect him. You get it. You would think

00:14:43.220 somebody who's under such scrutiny for grifting for this kind of corruption might keep a low profile.

00:14:49.840 They're brazen about this because they can pretty well count on the mainstream media to cover up for

00:14:55.540 them. Mm hmm. So, OK, there's this investment fund and that Hunter was allowed to open up

00:15:01.260 thanks to this Chinese licensure deal that he struck right after flying over with his dad,

00:15:06.060 the sitting vice president. That was one great thing that happened for him in China.

00:15:09.200 That doesn't happen again for just any Joe Schmo. Apparently, it's a very hard

00:15:12.660 permission slip to get. He got it cut with it less than a week after flying over there with his dad,

00:15:17.660 the vice president. But then China and I guess we'll let's spend one minute on Moscow before we jump to

00:15:22.640 China. Because Moscow, as far as I understand, the crux of that allegation is that the widow of the

00:15:27.880 former mayor of Moscow paid a Hunter Biden controlled and owned company $3.5 million. Do I have it correct?

00:15:38.020 Correct. And then further invested into businesses that certainly Devin Archer was involved in,

00:15:44.180 in terms of real estate ventures in the U.S. And there are reports that tens of millions of dollars

00:15:50.160 investment from that standpoint as well. But what we tracked in our deal is a $3.5 million payment to

00:15:56.160 Rosemont Zeneca Thornton. Which is controlled by Hunter. It's a business we believe he started.

00:16:02.620 He also started, again, he has so many different businesses, it's kind of hard to keep track of all

00:16:06.420 of them. Well, I mean, that was the allegation made. Do you believe that he received the windfall

00:16:11.620 from that or not, the $3.5 million? Oh, I certainly believe so. Again, I think it's pretty easy to trace

00:16:17.360 about at least $13 million that went pretty directly into businesses that Hunter Biden controlled.

00:16:23.620 By the way, it's one of the reasons Tony Bobulinski stepped forward after our report. He realized that

00:16:28.020 the $5 million that was supposed to be invested in their joint venture, Sino Hawk, actually went to

00:16:33.880 eventually into Owosco, which is Hunter Biden's more directly controlled business. And that pretty

00:16:39.860 well ticked off Tony Bobulinski, which is why he came forward. Yeah. He was like, hey,

00:16:43.780 the China deal was a lot better than anybody let me in on. Where's my piece of that $5 million? And he

00:16:48.160 turned on them. Okay. But before we leave Moscow, so you've got, I mean, $3.5 million is a big number

00:16:54.700 coming from the former mayor's wife or the mayor's widow to Hunter. You've got the $50,000 a month in

00:17:02.040 Ukraine. Now you've got China and an investment type entity that Hunter owns and controls getting a

00:17:08.420 green light to invest over there. Very lucrative that nobody else would have gotten within a week of him

00:17:12.700 flying over there on Air Force Two. And now you've got, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. I

00:17:17.540 mean, we don't know the full extent of what happened in Ukraine and elsewhere because he was pretty

00:17:21.920 clever at trying to hide a lot of this, but, but China, I mean that his ties in China go deep

00:17:29.000 and virtually everyone he's connected to on the Chinese side on his side has either been accused

00:17:37.060 of or convicted of fraud or it's conveniently on the Chinese case disappeared and are no longer

00:17:44.520 available to talk about what they did with Hunter. It's, it's rather eerie. Let's talk about C E F C.

00:17:52.360 It's a massive oil and gas company, Chinese founded, founded in 22, 2002. And he it's connected to their

00:18:02.920 government there. It's ostensibly private, but most believe that it's, it doesn't operate independently

00:18:07.800 of the Chinese government. So what, what happened between Hunter and C E F C that your newly uncovered

00:18:14.280 documents, banking documents you've just gotten show us? Well, now we have the bank record showing

00:18:21.160 a $4.8 million transfer directly from C E F C, which was by and large an arm of the communist party of

00:18:27.860 China. Uh, it is a multi-billion dollar oil and gas company, uh, trying to lock up oil and gas

00:18:35.680 contracts all over the world for the benefit of, uh, China. Uh, and, and its chairman, uh, Xi Jinping,

00:18:41.980 uh, uh, was, uh, had also contacts with the people's liberate liberation army as well. So yeah, less big,

00:18:50.700 big businesses are connected to the communist parties, no doubt about that. So that transfer went into

00:18:55.100 Hudson West three and then further it was forward to a Wasco, which again, is a company that really,

00:19:01.120 really, uh, directly controlled by, uh, by Hunter Biden. We also know that there was a million dollar

00:19:05.960 transfer, uh, that went, uh, to a Wasco, uh, for the purpose of representing Patrick Ho, who was one of

00:19:14.620 the managers of, uh, C E F C. He was accused of money laundering and bribery. Uh, he was convicted of

00:19:20.980 that, but, uh, once he was accused within literally hours, he called up James Biden, we think probably

00:19:27.720 to try and get ahold of Hunter Biden to, to represent him. Uh, Hunter Biden, by the way,

00:19:31.560 is not a defense attorney, uh, put, you know, transferred a million dollars, uh, and in another

00:19:37.880 separate. Wait, wait, let me just stop you. So that I just want to keep it super easy for everybody to

00:19:42.180 follow. Um, okay. I know you're neck deep in it, in it. Um, so this guy, Ho got in trouble. Uh, and I

00:19:48.960 know that on the Hunter laptop, he describes Ho as the spy chief of China. Okay. So he knew who he

00:19:55.360 was dealing with. So Patrick Ho, the secretary general of C E F C, this Chinese oil giant,

00:20:01.100 he gets in trouble. He finds out he's being surveilled by us law enforcement as a foreign

00:20:06.600 intelligence threat. He winds up, uh, getting convicted of bribery and he starts to get scared.

00:20:12.480 The walls are closing in on him. And what does he do? What's the million dollars in the,

00:20:16.620 and Hunter as a lawyer? So he first calls up James Biden, we believe is actually trying to get

00:20:21.480 hold of Hunter Biden brother. In the end, they, they transfer a million dollars into Hunter Biden's

00:20:27.500 a business account. Uh, and the memo on the wire transfer is representation of Patrick Ho. So I

00:20:35.140 don't know whether that, uh, business was had defense attorneys or not, but we know that a hundred

00:20:40.100 Biden's not, but a million dollars is a pretty, pretty good little retainer to, uh, acts as a defense

00:20:45.220 attorney in a criminal case. Uh, so again, it's just further connection. As you pointed out,

00:20:50.140 uh, Hunter Biden has referred to him as the expletive deleted spy chief of China. Just like,

00:20:56.040 by the way, now that we know that Devin Archer is a convicted felon, uh, Hunter Biden knew the types

00:21:01.340 of people he was associating with, uh, that I would call them rather unsavory characters. I would view

00:21:07.420 that as people that could compromise a sitting president United States. Remember how the news media

00:21:12.620 was so concerned that if Donald Trump had some connection to Russia, they could be blackmailed.

00:21:17.400 And that could be such a significant foreign, uh, you know, national security threat to America. 0.96

00:21:22.180 They, they don't care about real, uh, foreign financial entanglements, real compromise when

00:21:27.800 it comes to Joe Biden. It's, it's curious, the hypocrisy there, isn't it?

00:21:31.680 No, exactly. So yeah, Hunter's partners in one of his Chinese deal deals were, uh, as you mentioned,

00:21:36.620 Devin Archer, who we heard his name earlier, but from you close friend, long-time business

00:21:40.860 partner since been convicted of fraud in a separate unrelated case. Although Hunter Biden's name was

00:21:45.260 mentioned. And then, um, there's another guy, Bevin Cooney. That's another Hunter friend. He was

00:21:50.960 also convicted in that separate fraud case. And then his other partner in one of these Chinese 0.99

00:21:55.580 deals is James Bulger, who, as far as I can tell, he's not swept up in this other fraud case that got

00:22:00.820 everybody convicted, but he's Whitey Bulger's son, the famous mobster. Okay. That doesn't mean he's a

00:22:06.560 criminal too, but it's not necessarily the people you'd want to bring to your nan as

00:22:10.860 tea, uh, at 4 p.m. Eastern. Um, okay. So let's go back. So Patrick Ho, secretary general, big trouble

00:22:17.340 decides to try to save himself by cutting a million dollar check to Hunter for quote representation,

00:22:22.420 even though Hunter is not, not only, uh, not an oil and gas expert and not a practicing, not,

00:22:28.640 not a criminal defense attorney at all. Um, and then this other guy, Yi, Yi Jianmeng.

00:22:36.240 I'm just trying to, he just disappears. He just goes poof. Okay. So tell us about him. Cause he's

00:22:44.480 also at CEFC, this oil and gas company in China with whom Hunter cut this deal and that people are

00:22:50.460 starting to get in trouble left and right. Okay. Ho gets in trouble with the law and cuts Hunter a 0.94

00:22:55.800 million dollar check and things go bad with Yi as well, who was chairman of the, of the energy company.

00:23:02.120 What, before we get to his criminal trouble, Senator, can you just tell us like, isn't he the

00:23:07.300 guy who gave Hunter the diamond? I believe that was Patrick Ho. Oh, I can't keep track of all the

00:23:13.020 gifts. Okay. No, no, no, no. Okay. No, I have Yi that you did it. I mean, that's of course what

00:23:18.380 again, it's kind of hard to keep track of it. I know that's, uh, the Hunter had, uh, uh, lunch in his,

00:23:24.780 you know, extremely expensive, uh, flat or apartment or whatever. And, you know, talked about

00:23:31.760 that. But what, what is interesting is again, you've had the CEFC multi-billion dollar oil and gas

00:23:35.880 company just kind of ceased to exist. There may be, you know, straggling elements, but, uh, you know,

00:23:42.020 that doesn't happen in the U S where a multi-billion dollar oil and gas company just ceases to exist.

00:23:47.600 And the chairman again, just disappears never to be heard of again. Uh, something's pretty

00:23:52.740 suspicious about that. Okay. And just to, uh, round it out for our audience, this, uh, my

00:23:58.080 information is this guy, Yi, he was the chairman and founder of the energy company. He was a

00:24:02.120 wunderkind of the Chinese energy world. And shortly after Biden left the vice presidency, Hunter and

00:24:07.520 this guy, Yi met over dinner in Miami. They discussed business opportunities for CEFC in the

00:24:12.380 United States, including possibly a $40 million joint venture to produce liquefied natural, natural

00:24:17.340 gas here in the United States. This is according to a 2019 New Yorker report. Uh,

00:24:22.680 based by the way, on extensive interviews with Hunter Biden, the deal failed, but Mr. He was so

00:24:27.420 impressed, so pleased with young Hunter in their meeting that after the dinner, he sent him a 2.8

00:24:31.820 carat diamond to Hunter's hotel room with a card thanking him for the conversation. Um, there's a

00:24:38.620 real question about whether that's, uh, you know, a purchase of corruption. He's trying to buy Hunter

00:24:43.000 Biden. Uh, it's not a thank you. It's a, it's a down payment on Hunter paving the way for him here

00:24:48.620 in the United States with the help of Hunter's dad. Okay. So then they signed this consulting

00:24:53.480 deal. Hunter's going to be a consultant again, zero experience, uh, for CEFC here in America.

00:24:59.820 Then the CEFC company gets accused of bribery in Africa by the DOJ. And before you know it,

00:25:05.960 people start getting in trouble. Ho gets the, he finds out he's in trouble with the DOJ here.

00:25:10.020 He, he gets, um, arrested in China and has not been seen or heard from since they got the diamonds

00:25:18.540 in the mail. You got this guy getting arrested and then disappeared. You got the other guy getting,

00:25:23.300 um, finding out he's in legal trouble and then paying Hunter a million dollars.

00:25:26.880 These are his buddies. In addition to his America buddies, at least two of whom have been convicted of

00:25:31.520 fraud, uh, who are all over the papers for his companies all over the world.

00:25:35.120 Yeah. Hunter runs around with a nice crowd, doesn't he? It is important to note, by the way,

00:25:40.820 that, uh, Hunter claims, he doesn't know what happened to that diamond. Uh, it's also important

00:25:44.560 to note that diamonds, diamonds are often used in international money laundering. It's how you do

00:25:50.300 it. I mean, you pass something values. It's a very small, very valuable. So it's what, it's one of the

00:25:55.260 ways people launder money. Hmm. And what can you just, what do you mean launder money in that context?

00:26:00.540 How is that laundering? Well, I mean, laundering money is, uh, you know, various different things,

00:26:05.940 but when you have a criminal activity, uh, you don't want to necessarily have the money traced

00:26:11.260 from the criminal activity to an individual. So you run it through a bunch of different businesses.

00:26:16.780 Again, I think it's always, I always thought it was very interesting how many different businesses

00:26:20.760 Hunter Biden was involved in. And he just, to me, doesn't seem necessarily like a serial entrepreneur.

00:26:25.640 He sounds, seems more like a serial grifter, uh, serial con man, quite honestly, serial influence

00:26:32.720 peddler. Uh, but that's how you do money laundering. So you try and make sure that the transactions can

00:26:38.020 ever be traced to the illegal activity, to the individual actually directing the illegal activity.

00:26:43.040 And one of the ways you do it is you hand off diamonds. I'm exhausted from all of his attempts

00:26:48.280 to make money off of these foreign companies and cover it up. I mean, it's, it's, I don't know how

00:26:52.760 this guy who was addicted to drugs and alcohol and dealing with legal problems back at home,

00:26:58.120 involving the whole host of his behaviors was able to manage this whole morass.

00:27:03.580 Well, he had an expensive lifestyle. He had to fund it some way. And, and it sounds like,

00:27:09.000 again, we have emails where he was complaining, uh, that, uh, you know, he, that he had to turn

00:27:15.320 over half of his earnings to his father. Again, another evidence that maybe Joe Biden knew something

00:27:21.580 about this. I want to get into that. I want to get into that in detail. And, uh, first I'm going

00:27:26.300 to take a quick break, but that's where we're going to pick it up right after this with Senator

00:27:29.560 Johnson, Ron Johnson coming up in one second. Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and whether Joe Biden

00:27:43.220 benefited personally, as opposed to just my son is doing so well and it makes me feel good.

00:27:48.900 Whether Joe Biden himself personally benefited from any of this. Let's talk about that. Um,

00:27:55.120 and the, the alleged 10%, uh, conversation can, can you get into that? What's the evidence that

00:28:00.800 he personally benefited from this money? Again, this, I believe comes from a Tony Bobulinski and

00:28:06.460 emails, uh, that he, or some of the people that, uh, uh, might've been involved in that Indian fraud.

00:28:15.020 Again, as you said, this, there's so many threads to this. There's so many rabbit holes here. It's

00:28:19.300 kind of hard to keep it all track, but there's a pretty famous email that, uh, is a portioning out,

00:28:23.940 uh, what percentage is going to go to, uh, which of the business partners. Uh, and at the very end,

00:28:30.340 it's a 10% to the big guy. And it's Tony Bobulinski that provides testimony that the big guy was

00:28:35.760 definitely Joe Biden. This is in China. Yeah. Yes. And so this is, I think it was probably the,

00:28:42.000 the Sino Hawk, uh, arrangement, but again, there, there's just so many different deals going on

00:28:46.760 here. It is kind of hard to keep them all specifically keep track of. You know, one thing

00:28:50.100 I want to point out, and this is some pretty good reporting by John Solomon's group. Uh, you know,

00:28:54.680 you've got vice president Biden claiming about $60 million worth of income, uh, when he left the

00:29:00.080 vice president's office, but then in his fancy disclosure, he's only showing about $3.2 million

00:29:04.200 worth of assets. How does that happen? Where did that $16 million go? Now he paid some in taxes,

00:29:11.760 uh, some minor donations, but again, this is another indication that something's not on the

00:29:18.120 up and up here. Hmm. The, the big guy is said to be Joe Biden. And that's the best proof there is

00:29:26.280 that what Hunter and his business associates associates, which included Tony Bobulinski for a

00:29:31.600 time, uh, we're doing was also going to benefit Joe Biden. And that's relevant to us because if

00:29:36.880 Joe Biden was going to get 10% from some Chinese deal that had any sort of sketchy ties, it's

00:29:43.240 relevant to know because he's now the sitting president of the United States. Do they have

00:29:46.220 something on him? Did they fund his lifestyle in any way? Like what are, what, what are the facts?

00:29:50.840 Let's just find out. This was Tony Bobulinski when he spoke out on Tucker in 2020, making very clear

00:29:56.600 that his email referencing, I was a press conference after Tucker, making very clear that his email

00:30:01.300 referencing 10% to the big guy wasn't, was a reference to Joe Biden. Listen, I've heard Joe

00:30:09.320 Biden say that he's never discussed business with Hunter. That is false. I have firsthand knowledge

00:30:16.740 about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including Joe Biden. I have also heard that

00:30:24.460 Vice President Biden said on Tuesday that Senator Ron Johnson, the chair of the Senate Homeland Security

00:30:30.140 Committee should be ashamed for suggesting that Biden family sought to profit from their name.

00:30:36.420 Well, here are the facts. I know I was introduced to Joe Biden by Jim Biden and Hunter Biden

00:30:42.800 at approximate and at my approximately hour long meeting with Joe that night, we discussed the

00:30:49.460 Biden's history, the Biden's family business plans with the Chinese, with which he was plainly familiar,

00:30:56.460 at least at a high level. On May 13th, 2017, I received an email concerning allocation of equity,

00:31:04.140 which says 10% held by H for the big guy. In that email, there's no question that H stands for Hunter,

00:31:12.300 big guy for his father, Joe Biden, and Jim for Jim Biden. In fact, Hunter often referred to his father

00:31:21.860 as the big guy or my chairman. On numerous occasions, it was made clear to me that Joe Biden's involvement

00:31:28.020 was not to be mentioned in writing, but only face to face.

00:31:31.700 Do we have any evidence that any monies were paid from Hunter to Joe Biden or from any of the Hunter

00:31:41.100 controlled entities to Joe Biden? I haven't seen evidence of that yet, but Megan, I would contend

00:31:47.720 Tony Bobulinski is a pretty credible witness, and that seems like pretty strong testimony to me.

00:31:53.100 We were actually going to do a transcribed interview with Tony Bobulinski, but the FBI,

00:32:00.200 I'll say convinced him to interview them first. And I warned him, said, if you want your information

00:32:08.020 out, don't go to the FBI. That's just going to be a black hole. And quite honestly, that's what ended

00:32:13.140 up happening there. So, you know, past that press conference, we didn't get a whole lot more

00:32:18.080 information in terms of eyewitness testimony from Tony Bobulinski, unfortunately.

00:32:22.360 Well, you tell me, because this week, you know, we had reports about what's actually happening,

00:32:26.340 because all of this probably just started with this, but all of this comes under the umbrella

00:32:30.840 for right now. I guess I did kind of start with it of this grand jury investigation into Hunter

00:32:35.540 and how big the investigation is and what the investigation is likely to result in.

00:32:40.520 It started in 2018. We had somebody on the other day telling us that makes them nervous. 2018,

00:32:45.680 that's a long time ago. It doesn't take four years to get to the bottom of this. So they were saying,

00:32:50.600 I'm not sure it's going to go anywhere. Andy McCarthy, back to him, he says, yeah,

00:32:54.680 tax, tax problems. Sure. We saw Hunter Biden pay a million bucks saying, oh, it's just, you know,

00:32:59.460 my little tax liability. I'm going to take care of that. Well, defendants often do that so that they

00:33:03.480 can hopefully stay out of jail. They're trying to curry sympathy with a judge saying, I paid it all

00:33:08.560 back. Don't throw me in jail. But the things that they're that the grand jury is also reportedly

00:33:12.980 looking into money laundering. According to Andy, they don't usually it's really hard to go after

00:33:19.120 somebody from money laundering unless you can show the actual source of the money, i.e. mob activity

00:33:23.980 is from an unlawful activity. And, you know, you're not going to necessarily be able to show that in an

00:33:30.020 American courtroom for Burisma, for these Chinese companies, this oil and gas. I mean, boy, oh boy,

00:33:35.660 that's a big, big bite to chew off or to take. Then the other thing was possible violations of

00:33:42.960 the Foreign Agents Registration Act, but really tough to prove and not really a favorite amongst

00:33:48.780 federal prosecutors. So that brings us back to tax evasion or tax problems. It's not very sexy.

00:33:54.240 And what Andy says, and I wonder if you agree with this, is all of this smacks of grift,

00:33:59.960 the selling of access and political influence and the subversion of public trust and possibly

00:34:03.920 American national interests. But sleazy is not necessarily criminal. And whether any of it is

00:34:10.140 actually illegal remains to be seen. No, I completely agree with that. And those are terms

00:34:16.420 I've been using about the Bidens for quite some time. Grifters, corrupt, sleazy. It's all those 1.00

00:34:22.040 things. It may not be illegal. It may not be illegal to go when your father is vice president or president

00:34:29.520 up to a company and have that company pay you millions of dollars for literally doing no work,

00:34:35.600 just hoping to influence something at some point in time. There may not be an obvious quid pro quo,

00:34:41.680 but it's sleazy and it is corrupt. And the case of the Bidens, it occurs time and time and time again.

00:34:48.740 But Megan, as sleazy and as corrupt as the Biden foreign financial entanglements are, 0.99

00:34:54.920 you know, what concerns me even more is the complicity and corruption revealed in this episode

00:35:03.200 by the media, but also within our federal law enforcement and our federal intelligence agencies.

00:35:10.520 The 51 former intelligence officials that engaged in their own information operation by writing a letter

00:35:19.020 that said Hunter Biden's laptop was a earmark of Russian information operation. Those 51 individuals,

00:35:28.900 the complicit and corrupt media, they interfered in the 2020 election to a far greater extent

00:35:35.000 than Russia ever could have hoped to achieve either in 2016 or 2020. And I think that is something

00:35:42.620 that is really, that is the biggest overlooked aspect of the story. 0.99

00:35:46.320 They made fools out of themselves. They really did. They made fools out of themselves trying to 0.99

00:35:50.460 run cover for Joe Biden, calling this Hunter's laptop disinformation, Russian disinformation, 0.99

00:35:55.680 without doing any homework whatsoever. And no one's falling on their sword. No one's apologizing.

00:36:01.720 No one's trying to clean it up or coming out and saying I was wrong there. In fact,

00:36:05.800 they're just trying to run cover for themselves. Before I get to the laptop, because I definitely,

00:36:09.060 well, that's what I'm talking about next. I was trying to finish a thread on Tony Bobulinski.

00:36:13.160 You said he went dark on you after getting connected with the FBI. Well, there's a grand

00:36:16.960 jury investigation underway. And there was a report this week that there was a witness who testified

00:36:22.720 before the grand jury about that email, 10 percent to the big guy and through Hunter. And that witness

00:36:30.740 testified the big guy was Joe Biden. Do we believe that witness was Tony Bobulinski?

00:36:36.000 It's a possibility. But again, I whether it's illegal or not, I am concerned that there's a big buildup

00:36:43.820 here, though. You know, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden are going to get indicted and maybe Joe's going to be a

00:36:48.140 co-conspirator. My concern is there's a big buildup and then really nothing happens. And then the media can go

00:36:54.260 right back. Hey, listen, we we admitted that some of the stuff is authentic, but there's nothing illegal,

00:36:58.920 nothing to see here. Let's move on. There are all kinds of things to see here, all kinds of things

00:37:05.280 that need to be investigated, exposed. And again, it has a lot more. It has to do with a lot more than

00:37:12.280 just Joe and Hunter Biden and James Biden and their sleaze. I should correct myself. The I guess what we

00:37:18.760 know is that the email was discussed in front of the grand jury. We don't know exactly what the

00:37:22.800 testimony about it was back on the subject of Joe Biden and allegedly what he got. There's something

00:37:30.440 I understand in off the laptop, I think a text message from Hunter showing him complaining that

00:37:36.460 he had to, quote, give half of his salary to his father, which I guess would be illegal if his father

00:37:45.460 is a sitting politician. This has been reported by The New York Post back in 2021. There was a text

00:37:50.080 message from Hunter to his daughter, Naomi, dated 2019, writing, I hope you all can do what I did

00:37:55.740 and pay for everything for this entire family for 30 years. It's really hard, but don't worry until

00:38:00.800 pop, meaning Joe Biden, unlike pop, I won't make you give me half of your salary. Now, there's no direct

00:38:08.820 evidence of such a wealth transfer on the laptop. But Peter Schweitzer reports that Hunter was paying some

00:38:16.220 of Joe's monthly bills, that he was also paying for things like renovations of Joe's home in Delaware

00:38:21.720 and more and more other bills that he was playing. Could that be a problem for him legally?

00:38:28.440 It could be a tax law violation. You can give gift individuals up to a certain limit. You also have

00:38:34.900 lifetime maximums, but you have to report these things. And if you exceed these lifetime maximums,

00:38:40.180 then you're subject to gift tax. You don't pay it. That could be tax fraud as well.

00:38:43.840 Now, I keep going back to that. The $16 million earned, but only $3.2 million reported in terms

00:38:50.980 of assets. Where'd it go? Again, if he got all this money from Hunter, was he squirreling this

00:38:58.480 away somewhere? We know there are places around the world where you can just stuff money and it just

00:39:05.640 never gets accounted for. So again, just one of those other things that I find suspicious that has

00:39:11.780 never been fully explored or investigated. How do you get more information? If the Republicans

00:39:16.700 take control of the Senate, can you get more information?

00:39:21.280 I wish I could say that the congressional oversight was incredibly powerful.

00:39:25.280 I subpoenaed FBI Director Christopher Wray. He slow walked it, basically didn't give a squat.

00:39:31.920 We sent letters to Gina Haspel looking for specific information, not one page. She wouldn't even return

00:39:38.940 our phone calls. The president pro tem of the Senate, Senate Finance Committee Chair, and myself,

00:39:45.280 she wouldn't even return our phone calls to explain why she wouldn't provide us the information that,

00:39:50.320 quite honestly, the president she served wanted her to turn over to us. So congressional oversight 0.99

00:39:57.920 is very difficult. That's why oftentimes this stuff gets found out either by whistleblowers,

00:40:05.940 like Tony Bob Linsky coming forward, or in criminal probes. But the problem with criminal probes

00:40:10.580 is it's all confidential unless there's actually a trial. And you can kind of understand that if

00:40:17.020 you're being investigated and you're completely innocent, you don't want to, you know, that even

00:40:21.220 made public. So I understand that confidentiality. That's why I've always said that these investigations

00:40:26.660 into political figures, we do it backwards. It shouldn't start with a criminal probe. It ought to start

00:40:32.720 with congressional investigations with real power to be able to subpoena and enforce those subpoenas

00:40:38.700 more effectively than we can now. If we see evidence of illegal activity, we can refer that

00:40:44.040 to the Justice Department, and then they can do their criminal investigations. But what ends up happening,

00:40:49.300 and I've lived this now for the last six years investigating Hillary Clinton, the corrupt FBI investigation

00:40:54.720 of the Russian hoax, and now Hunter Biden, is that it is incredibly difficult to get information

00:41:00.700 out of the deep state. There is a deep state. It keeps its secrets hidden very well.

00:41:06.980 Wow. Now you're talking about the FBI blowing you off, the CIA blowing you off. And as you mentioned

00:41:12.500 a moment ago, the media working in concert with these folks and the Bidens to bury the story. I mean,

00:41:20.240 what was done to the New York Post was absolutely outrageous. It had the story. It had the laptop.

00:41:25.200 It was reporting on its contents and Twitter suppressed its Twitter account, the New York

00:41:31.120 Post's Twitter account. And the other social media giants followed. All of the mainstream media

00:41:36.800 blacked out the story. It was in advance of the election. There have been polls from people saying

00:41:42.180 they would have voted differently had they known more about Hunter Biden. Who knows whether that's true

00:41:46.480 or not. That's what they're telling the pollsters. And you've got if you look back at what appears

00:41:51.940 to be just blatant lies, of course, by Hunter. But I mean, listen to how Joe Biden talked about this,

00:41:58.440 how he like now that, you know, now people listening to this know about Hunter being on Air Force Two

00:42:03.380 with them and the glad handing with the Chinese officials and all the money that he was getting

00:42:07.220 and Joe Biden getting some of that money to reportedly, you know, according to what I just read.

00:42:11.900 Um, listen to Joe Biden. This is we, uh, Benny Johnson had this on his podcast. It was a good

00:42:17.440 mashup. Take a listen. Soundbite three of Biden on the laptop. 50 former national intelligence folks

00:42:23.960 who said that what this he's accusing me of is a Russian plan. They have said that this is has all

00:42:31.280 the care for five former heads of the CIA. Both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. 1.00

00:42:37.920 This is classic Trump. We have four days left and all of a sudden there's a laptop. There's overwhelming 0.99

00:42:43.720 evidence that from the intelligence community that the Russians are engaged.

00:42:48.340 I still think that the stories from the fall about your son, Hunter, were running distance

00:42:54.340 changing as a smear campaign, like you said. Yes, yes, yes. I know you'd ask it. I have no response.

00:43:01.120 It's another smear campaign. It's the last ditch effort in this desperate campaign to smear me and my

00:43:05.940 family. The vast majority of the intelligence people have come out and said, there's no basis

00:43:10.760 at all. Boy, he, he used that letter from those intelligence officials. I mean, at every turn,

00:43:17.920 Russian disinformation, Russian disinformation. And now that it's been verified by even the New York

00:43:22.780 Times, nothing from the White House. What they say, Senator, is we refuse to discuss the laptop.

00:43:28.140 Is that good enough?

00:43:29.320 Well, first of all, Megan, just understand what's been happening here. The Democrat Party,

00:43:35.460 their allies in the media have been using this Russian canard, dating back to the hacking of

00:43:41.740 the DNC server. You know, I'm still not convinced that Russia hacked that server. The FBI never took

00:43:46.820 possession of it. But that started the whole process. Everybody gets accused of spreading Russian

00:43:53.300 disinformation or any bad news in terms of Democrats. It's all Russian disinformation.

00:43:58.320 Chuck Grassley and I, we had, we were smeared by senior Democrats who created a false intelligence

00:44:05.360 product, accusing us of soliciting and disseminating Russian disinformation. They had it classified.

00:44:11.240 They leaked it to the press. And we were attacked for a couple months for the sole purpose of

00:44:16.880 undermining our report. We were briefed by the FBI for the sole purpose of the FBI and the news media,

00:44:25.700 then later being able to leak that, that we were warned. We were warned about Russian disinformation.

00:44:31.140 Again, this is all very well coordinated, which is why I keep talking about a very deep state.

00:44:37.180 There's much more to the story than just the corruption of Joe and Hunter Biden. This is corruption in our

00:44:42.860 intelligence agencies, within the FBI, within our news media. This is well coordinated. This is

00:44:50.240 something incredibly serious. The American public needs to understand this. It needs to be exposed,

00:44:55.400 but they are very good at hiding their secrets. Even today, there was news just today and Applebaum

00:45:03.160 from the Atlantic. She was asked about the Biden laptop in an event with David Axelrod by a college

00:45:09.040 student and listen to how she handled it. My question is for Ms. Applebaum. So in 2020,

00:45:16.160 you wrote, those who live outside the Fox News bubble do not, of course, need to learn any of

00:45:21.200 the stuff about Hunter Biden, referring to his laptop, of course. A poll later after that found that

00:45:26.480 if voters knew about the content of the laptop, 16 percent of Joe Biden voters would have acted

00:45:32.080 differently. Now, of course, we know a few weeks ago, the New York Times confirmed that the content is

00:45:36.420 real. Do you think the media acted inappropriately when they instantly dismissed Hunter Biden's laptop

00:45:42.200 as Russian disinformation? And what can we learn from that in ensuring that what we label as

00:45:46.760 disinformation is truly disinformation and not reality? My problem with Hunter Biden's laptop is,

00:45:53.220 I think, totally irrelevant. I mean, it's not whether it's disinformation or I mean, I don't think the

00:45:58.020 Hunter Biden's business relationships have anything to do with who should be president of the United

00:46:04.360 States. So I didn't find I don't find it to be interesting. I mean, that that would be my

00:46:09.380 problem with that as a major news story. She doesn't find it to be interesting,

00:46:14.660 Senator, because because it's the son of the president. It's not the president. But you know

00:46:19.080 what Ann Applebaum does find interesting? Quote, Tucker Carlson is stirring up hatred of America.

00:46:24.140 Quote, Tucker Carlson's self-loathing international tourism. Quote, the MyPillow guy really could destroy

00:46:30.020 democracy. She cares about the MyPillow guy. She just doesn't care about Hunter Biden and his alleged 1.00

00:46:36.720 corruption, which, as we've established, may indeed involve his father. Well, the entire media also had

00:46:43.480 a great deal of interest in a in a completely made up hoax that Trump was involved with Russia. He

00:46:50.100 wasn't. You know, the FBI knew full well the Steele dossier contained Russian disinformation. They knew

00:46:56.300 that as early as October 2016, certainly by no longer than January 2017. And yet they allowed

00:47:02.880 the Miller, the Mueller investigation to carry forward. Christopher Wray knew that the Steele

00:47:10.360 dossier contained that Russian disinformation. He allowed his FBI to brief the Senate Intel Committee

00:47:15.500 in March of 2018 that the Steele dossier had integrity. So, Megan, there is so much corruption to

00:47:23.680 be uncovered here. It is so well coordinated. And, you know, unfortunately, the news media will

00:47:29.860 take a look at something like a shiny object to distract us. This is a massive diversionary operation

00:47:36.720 from their wrongdoing. I appreciate you staying on it. And we will do the same. Thank you,

00:47:42.320 Senator Johnson, so much. Have a good day. Stay well. You as well. Up next, Joe Pags. Don't go away.

00:47:48.520 Joining me now is my pal talk show host Joe Pagliarulo. We call him Joe Pags. We've got a lot

00:47:57.740 to discuss, including President Obama's triumphant return to the White House after more than five

00:48:02.280 years. Not quite as triumphant for the sitting vice sitting president and news yesterday that Texas

00:48:07.740 Governor Greg Abbott is going to send buses of migrants to Washington, D.C. He's like, you want 1.00

00:48:13.580 everybody coming to Texas? How you like us now? Welcome, Joe Pags. Great to have you back. Good

00:48:18.460 to see you, Megan. How are you? I'm great. All right. Let's pick it up where I left it off with

00:48:22.340 Senator Ron Johnson, who I know you've interviewed. And we were talking about Hunter Biden and the news

00:48:26.580 about the grand jury investigating him and the laptop. There's news. It's a Daily Mail exclusive

00:48:31.600 today about a man they're calling a whistleblower who handed Hunter's abandoned laptop to congressmen

00:48:36.860 and gave it to the Daily Mail a year plus ago. His name is Jack Maxey, and they're reporting. This guy

00:48:43.320 used to co-host Steve Bannon's podcast, and he is saying that Rudy Giuliani gave him the laptop back.

00:48:52.000 I don't know when exactly, but Hunter left it at the Delaware computer store in 2019. The owner of the

00:48:57.320 store gave it to Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, who passed it on to Maxey. Maxey gave it to the Daily

00:49:01.820 Mail and so on. Copy the hard drive, that is, in spring of 2021. And now this guy, Maxey,

00:49:08.760 has, according to Daily Mail, had to go into hiding in Zurich, Switzerland, working with IT

00:49:12.740 experts to dig out more data from, quote, the laptop from hell. I think that was Miranda

00:49:16.460 Devine's title. Intends to post them all online from the deleted file, everything you can find in

00:49:23.340 a database in the coming weeks. Says he's found 450 gigabytes of erased material, including 80,000

00:49:29.460 images and videos, and more than 120,000 archived emails. The guy's in fear for his life right now.

00:49:37.440 I mean, God only knows. The stuff that he left on there, Joe, was bad enough. Well, I shudder to

00:49:43.260 think what we're going to find in the deleted files. I can't even imagine. I mean, 80,000 more photos,

00:49:48.780 and you can't unsee them once you've seen them. And I've seen some of them, thank God, a lot of them

00:49:52.940 were edited or censored. I didn't want to see the raw stuff, but what's already on there is so

00:49:57.760 inflammatory. Can you imagine 450 gigabytes is a lot of storage space, that there's more stuff that

00:50:03.380 he deleted? Listen, the guy Maxi, if I'm him, I'm going to Zurich, too. I'm out of here, because

00:50:08.120 we know that there were 51 either current or former intelligence agents or agency, you know,

00:50:15.060 fellows that said this was Russian disinformation. If they're all going to lie about it, they had to

00:50:19.960 know they were lying, Megan. If they're all going to lie about it, why would you possibly think that

00:50:23.720 you're safe? I mean, think about it. You've got people showing up at Project Veritas from the FBI

00:50:28.720 at six o'clock in the morning and putting James O'Keefe in handcuffs. What would they do to a guy

00:50:32.860 like this who doesn't have that higher profile? I don't blame him for getting out of there,

00:50:35.980 but I am scared to death about what else is there. But to your point, if we don't see one more image

00:50:40.160 or one more video or one more email about the big guy or text about the big guy, we already have so

00:50:45.460 much on Hunter Biden and his connection to corruption all over the globe connected to his dad's power.

00:50:51.280 You don't really need anything else. Can you imagine what it could be?

00:50:54.840 No, I cannot. I mean, I have some dark suspicions because there were inappropriate behaviors

00:51:00.860 shown on that laptop. I know in front of, for example, his I think it was his daughter who's in her teens.

00:51:09.720 Not between the two of them, but I'm saying in front of her. I just I shudder to think what he might have

00:51:15.020 caught on tape. And, you know, he obviously has drug and alcohol problems or had drug and alcohol problems.

00:51:20.400 I guess he claims he's gotten treatment. But none of that will excuse the bad behavior caught on this tape

00:51:26.780 because it goes well beyond that. I mean, it's true corruption evidenced in Ukraine, in China, in Russia

00:51:31.980 on behalf of a sitting vice president. And then the man who was about to launch his presidential campaign

00:51:38.080 that was successful. And I talked with Senator Johnson about the disgusting, complicit media,

00:51:42.520 the total blackout by big tech. I mean, intentional blackout and suppression of the Post reporting.

00:51:46.900 Never mind. They didn't pursue it. They stopped those who were pursuing it from even discussing it.

00:51:51.280 Absolutely disgusting. And then here's an example of the media. When Hunter Biden, you may forget,

00:51:56.620 he dropped a book not long after this. He dropped a book and went on a book tour after the suppression of the

00:52:02.700 laptop stories. And people knew it was bubbling. A couple of people took a shot at asking him mildly about it.

00:52:07.960 Here was Jimmy Kimmel is one of them and somebody on CBS this morning. Watch this.

00:52:12.580 Joe, listen to how he handles himself. Was that your laptop?

00:52:17.120 For real? I don't know. I know, but you know that this is-

00:52:19.440 I really don't know if the answer is.

00:52:21.060 You don't know, yes or no, if the laptop was yours.

00:52:23.020 I don't have any idea. I have no idea.

00:52:25.440 So it could have been yours.

00:52:26.740 Of course, certainly. There could be a laptop out there that was stolen from me.

00:52:30.420 It could be that I was hacked. It could be that it was Russian intelligence.

00:52:35.540 It could be that it was stolen from me.

00:52:37.900 Look, I really don't know. And the fact of the matter is it's a red herring. It is absolutely

00:52:42.600 red herring. But I am absolutely, I think, within my rights to question anything that comes from

00:52:49.500 the desk of Rudy Giuliani. And so I don't know is the answer.

00:52:57.380 Liar. Liar. 0.99

00:52:59.820 Huge liar. And Megan, when did Rudy Giuliani become the whipping boy? 1.00

00:53:04.380 This guy who saved our country after 9-11, this guy who was America's mayor,

00:53:08.480 we were able to do Saturday Night Live again because Rudy Giuliani showed up and said we can.

00:53:12.560 And suddenly he's the whipping boy for Hunter Biden.

00:53:15.040 He doesn't know if it's his laptop. He doesn't know if those are his pictures.

00:53:17.700 Who hacked him? Who stole his laptop?

00:53:19.960 He dropped it off, probably in a drunken stupor at a computer repair shop in Delaware.

00:53:24.780 And he deleted what he thought was the bad stuff before he brought it in.

00:53:28.960 And he left everything else on there.

00:53:30.420 I mean, to go after Rudy Giuliani and to do so so successfully makes me actually sick.

00:53:35.960 Because without that guy, without Bernie Carrick after 9-11, I don't know if we heal as fast as we did.

00:53:40.720 Yeah, you're right. And look, Giuliani's become so controversial because he represented Trump

00:53:44.780 with respect to impeachment and with respect to his electoral challenges and so on.

00:53:49.840 Look, I get it. That's what lawyers do.

00:53:52.560 I'm kind of saying, but look, they've come after him, both guns blazing now,

00:53:57.120 trying to take his law license away and so on. 0.99

00:53:59.260 But he chose somebody who was unpopular with the left to deflect because he's a liar. 1.00

00:54:03.520 He's a known liar. 0.99

00:54:04.600 I can you imagine if I had him in front of me, there'd be no getting away from me. 0.98

00:54:09.440 I mean, like the questions I would have for him.

00:54:11.220 It was so easy to box him in.

00:54:13.300 I'll say the CBS reporter.

00:54:15.100 She tried a little.

00:54:16.580 Jimmy Kimmel did nothing.

00:54:19.160 And he was allowed to get away with this about with his lies.

00:54:21.720 It could have been.

00:54:22.400 I don't know.

00:54:23.280 Could have been Russian disinformation.

00:54:24.400 The same thing, by the way, his own dad said from the presidential debate stage.

00:54:29.280 Here's just another walk down memory lane.

00:54:31.000 This is Trump versus Biden on the laptop in a 2020 presidential debate before the election.

00:54:36.200 Listen to this.

00:54:37.300 Number four.

00:54:38.400 So don't give me the stuff about how you're this innocent baby.

00:54:43.500 Joe, they're calling you a corrupt politician.

00:54:46.500 Nobody.

00:54:46.780 Hey, President Trump, I want to stay on the issue of race.

00:54:49.600 We're talking about the issue.

00:54:50.680 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a Russian

00:54:58.320 plant.

00:54:59.600 They have said that this is has all the care for five former heads of the CIA. 1.00

00:55:05.080 Both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. 0.99

00:55:09.100 Nobody believes it except them. 0.99

00:55:11.080 His and his good friend Rudy Gianni.

00:55:12.960 You mean the laptop is now another Russia, Russia, Russia hoax?

00:55:17.160 And that's exactly what this is where he's going.

00:55:21.740 The laptop is Russia, Russia, Russia.

00:55:24.020 Gentlemen, I want to stay on the issue of race.

00:55:25.600 You have to be kidding.

00:55:26.880 Here we go again with Russia. 0.96

00:55:29.440 Oh, my God.

00:55:29.780 That clip is so perfect, Joe.

00:55:31.400 The NBC moderator.

00:55:32.620 I want to stay on race.

00:55:33.620 We have to stay on identity politics.

00:55:35.420 Do not get off identity politics.

00:55:37.180 I'm virtue signaling here.

00:55:38.420 Why are you talking about something that's actually tangible?

00:55:40.300 You know what I can't figure out, Megan, is whether the media is complicit because they

00:55:44.080 hate Trump or the media is complicit because they were actually in on it.

00:55:47.480 And this is what I mean. 0.99

00:55:48.880 These people, many of them, just hate Trump so much they'll buy any garbage anybody says. 0.98

00:55:53.820 There's no doubt in anybody's mind who's got a brain that this is Hunter Biden's laptop, 0.99

00:55:58.420 that the big guy is Joe Biden.

00:55:59.560 He's getting 50% of some deals, 10% kick up to the big guy on other deals.

00:56:03.660 He says he never met the Burisma guys.

00:56:05.380 He didn't even know how his son got the job.

00:56:07.000 Then there are pictures of him playing golf with the Burisma guys.

00:56:09.800 So my question is actually a simple one, and you probably will know better than anybody.

00:56:14.320 Were they complicit because they hated Trump?

00:56:15.960 Or were they complicit because they got a phone call or an email or a text saying,

00:56:19.360 this is what I need you to do?

00:56:20.480 And I can't figure that out.

00:56:21.900 I had no idea that big tech, and you alluded to this earlier, could literally stop me from

00:56:26.140 sending, you and I follow each other on Twitter, right?

00:56:28.140 If I want to send you a direct message back in October of 2020 with a link to the New York

00:56:33.540 Post story, I literally could not do that.

00:56:36.360 They forbade me from using even the private messaging to spread that story.

00:56:41.000 So what do you think?

00:56:42.180 Are they all complicit or knowingly or just ignorantly?

00:56:45.760 I've got thoughts on that.

00:56:46.680 Let me add one piece of color to that story.

00:56:49.260 Right now, if you go on Facebook and you try to share the story about Patrice Cullors,

00:56:54.960 one of the founders of BLM, buying herself $3.1 million in houses, which is a relevant

00:57:00.800 story because now we find out that her organization bought a $6.3 million house in Los Angeles for,

00:57:06.480 they called it campus, and then they got caught by New York Magazine.

00:57:09.980 Then they tried to call the guy who published the piece a racist.

00:57:12.920 Then he came out and said, I'm black. 0.55

00:57:14.760 He's talking about I'm black.

00:57:17.340 Anyway, I would like to share the story about Patrice Cullors in a $3.1 million in homes,

00:57:21.940 but you can't on Facebook because they've deemed it like hate speech.

00:57:25.080 It's harassment of Patrice to talk about her grift at BLM.

00:57:29.780 Okay, so the big tech does this on every story that's bad for the left.

00:57:33.700 And I can't speak for the intel agencies.

00:57:36.620 Ron Johnson was going after the deep state, CIA, FBI, and their role in suppressing this

00:57:42.060 Hunter story.

00:57:43.140 I don't know how it works there, but I can say in the media, I don't believe the phone

00:57:46.180 calls made.

00:57:46.900 I don't believe it's necessary.

00:57:48.580 The Democrat politics are so strong.

00:57:51.200 They're the lifeblood of most of these reporters and editors and the people who run the newsrooms

00:57:55.520 in virtually every single case, except for Fox, Newsmax, the one I'm talking about television

00:57:59.820 now.

00:58:00.800 There's no cause.

00:58:02.820 They know what to do.

00:58:03.920 They're well aware of their marching orders and only too happy to fulfill them.

00:58:09.200 A couple of things.

00:58:10.360 First of all, big tech lied to us.

00:58:11.880 They told Megyn Kelly, who's got a huge audience, bring your audience here, put videos up. 1.00

00:58:16.480 We'll spread them around.

00:58:17.480 And once you did that, they now have control of the content that your audience that you

00:58:20.920 brought them, bringing them billions of dollars, can see.

00:58:23.800 My people can't see anything.

00:58:24.960 I've got, I don't know, 400,000 followers on Facebook.

00:58:27.100 I think you get 50, you know, shares and 20 comments on a post that I make.

00:58:31.880 They purposely did that.

00:58:32.980 Bring your audience here.

00:58:34.200 We will spread this great information that you're putting on your show.

00:58:37.400 And then they showed nobody, but they have control of what those people can see.

00:58:40.520 When it comes to the media, though, and I think you're right.

00:58:42.540 I think that phone call and that text and that email doesn't come.

00:58:45.380 It isn't necessary.

00:58:46.220 But morally thinking, when they go to bed at night, and you know a lot of these people,

00:58:50.540 what do they think to themselves?

00:58:51.580 Yeah, I lied today, or I hit something today, or I told a falsehood today, but it gets me

00:58:56.940 to the end, which is better for everybody.

00:58:58.740 So it's OK.

00:58:59.480 Is that what they think?

00:59:00.360 That's why Trump derangement syndrome is so dangerous, because they really do get into

00:59:04.860 an ends justify the means mindset.

00:59:07.820 And that's why I am never too hard on that core group of Republicans and Trump supporters

00:59:13.960 that believes the election was stolen.

00:59:16.220 I, as a lawyer, did not see evidence of that.

00:59:18.520 I don't believe that the election was stolen in the traditional sense of, like, stuffed

00:59:21.580 ballots and so on.

00:59:22.740 I do believe it was rigged.

00:59:24.180 And it's for exactly the reason that we're talking about right now.

00:59:27.400 How can you say it wasn't?

00:59:28.800 When you see the coordination to suppress a story shortly before the election that was

00:59:32.780 true, that made Joe Biden look bad, his family look bad, that Trump was trying to

00:59:38.260 raise at the presidential debate, but got snuffed out because race.

00:59:41.160 We have to get back to my questions about race, right?

00:59:44.080 Like, I'm never too hard on them because they can see that these entities are against them

00:59:49.980 and that they will do anything to justify the right result, quote, right result.

00:59:56.020 And for those who are wondering what that means, I've seen two studies.

00:59:59.640 One says 10 percent of those who voted for Biden might not have had they known about the

01:00:02.820 laptop.

01:00:03.440 I've seen one that says 16 percent wouldn't have voted for Biden had they known about

01:00:07.040 his son's laptop and his complicity in this relationship in Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Russia,

01:00:13.260 China.

01:00:14.140 But they just weren't allowed to know.

01:00:15.740 I mean, 10 percent is enough.

01:00:17.300 Then Trump wins rather easily.

01:00:19.080 Mm hmm.

01:00:19.640 Right.

01:00:20.160 And so no one will deal with that.

01:00:21.540 There's no apology from those so-called, you know, intelligence officials, the Natsukhs 0.99

01:00:26.940 crowd for that 51 person letter they wrote.

01:00:29.880 And that was published.

01:00:30.440 No apology from the media.

01:00:31.720 They don't acknowledge that they got it wrong.

01:00:33.060 Even the New York Times, when it finally covered the story and what I said at the top of the

01:00:36.580 show, I believe, was a CYA because they know Hunter Biden's going to be indicted and they

01:00:40.940 don't look like they didn't cover it.

01:00:42.760 They buried it on page 20 of the A section and they didn't even admit that they had verified

01:00:48.120 the contents of the laptop until the 23rd paragraph.

01:00:50.920 That's how they handle it.

01:00:51.900 Same as same as Nicole Hannah-Jones in the 1619 project.

01:00:55.880 Absolutely. 1.00

01:00:56.060 After she got creamed by all those historians who were like, she's an idiot. 1.00

01:00:59.520 She's an idiot. 1.00

01:01:00.100 They just took out their little eraser and quietly started to take down all the stuff 1.00

01:01:04.400 about, you know, oh, we were founded because we wanted to preserve slavery.

01:01:08.840 Megan, you know, New York media better than probably anybody.

01:01:12.660 I don't know it as well as you do.

01:01:14.600 Why is the New York Times the be all end all?

01:01:17.040 Why did we have to have the New York Times with some small blurb, as you said, hidden

01:01:20.320 in a story admitting that this was really his laptop for everybody, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC,

01:01:25.240 all the networks to say, you know, this really was his laptop.

01:01:28.060 We all knew it the whole time.

01:01:29.280 Why does the Times have that kind of power after Jason Blair, after after, you know,

01:01:33.200 the 1619 project?

01:01:34.560 Why do they still have that kind of power?

01:01:35.860 It's not 1841.

01:01:37.580 I don't I actually think the question is is more hopeful and better than that.

01:01:41.660 The question is, aren't we so glad that we now have alternatives to the New York Times?

01:01:45.320 Right.

01:01:45.560 Because we all used to be dependent on them.

01:01:47.440 We all used to hold them up.

01:01:48.760 Remember, I used to.

01:01:50.500 I mean, even at Fox, it was the paper of record.

01:01:52.880 I remember talking to Brit Hume one time and he was like, I still read it, but I can barely

01:01:56.160 stomach it.

01:01:57.320 And, you know, it's like that was the paper of record.

01:02:00.080 You people went to the New York Times.

01:02:01.480 They gave them exclusive stories.

01:02:02.680 They did in-depth reporting.

01:02:04.080 They sometimes reported even on their own side in ways that were unflattering.

01:02:07.380 And so it was like a tough pill to swallow, but you felt like you had to swallow it.

01:02:10.800 And now what's so glorious is they've decided to lean into their bias.

01:02:15.520 Trump did that to them and they really exposed themselves.

01:02:18.500 And all these alternatives cropped have popped up in a way that's wonderful for America.

01:02:24.320 You know, the beauty of the past 10 years is the lines really are clear now.

01:02:28.580 And, you know, when you go to the New York Times or CNN or MS, you are getting spun and

01:02:33.300 you may like that as a Democrat.

01:02:34.700 Great, great.

01:02:35.340 You can make that choice.

01:02:36.160 But there's they've they've they've what's the what's the word on that they've they've

01:02:40.060 taken down the veil, right?

01:02:41.200 The veil is down.

01:02:42.280 We now know that they're partisan.

01:02:43.620 They don't get to masquerade as some independent source of journalism anymore.

01:02:47.080 And that's good.

01:02:48.780 But but does that do all those newsrooms or those networks that we've been talking about?

01:02:52.300 Do they really read the New York Times every morning and say we can go with it now?

01:02:56.060 Because we get a tribute to the Times?

01:02:58.080 Oh, 100 percent.

01:02:59.560 Yes, there's yes.

01:03:00.860 There's absolutely no hesitation.

01:03:02.240 And the Washington Post, too, which is probably worse.

01:03:05.420 Honestly, it's probably worse.

01:03:06.580 During the Trump era, Mr.

01:03:08.620 Democracy Dies in Darkness, Washington Post got awfully dark when when Biden came.

01:03:13.580 Right.

01:03:13.780 And they completely sold their souls.

01:03:15.740 They used to be a more nonpartisan organization.

01:03:18.320 They were always a little left, but they used to be more nonpartisan.

01:03:21.100 Now they've been exposed.

01:03:21.960 So it's good.

01:03:22.640 It's a good thing overall.

01:03:24.700 OK, let let me move on.

01:03:27.100 A couple of a couple of other things that I've got to get to.

01:03:31.380 Oh, yeah.

01:03:32.940 This is a quick follow up put on the media.

01:03:34.680 What do you think?

01:03:35.500 I saw you tweeting about Elon Musk taking over 10 percent of Twitter.

01:03:38.600 Do we think it's actually going to make a difference?

01:03:42.180 The reason why I would have said no a couple of days ago, but when it came out that he called

01:03:46.100 a Seth Dillon from the from the Babylon Bee, that told me something that Elon Musk is a

01:03:50.960 very black and white guy.

01:03:52.540 He said, I'm sorry, you took down my favorite satire Twitter page.

01:03:56.100 I'm going to buy you.

01:03:57.320 I mean, think about the kind of power that is and the kind of resources you must have.

01:04:01.620 I love the Babylon Bee, he says.

01:04:04.040 He actually sat down and did a long interview with them that you probably have seen.

01:04:07.020 And he just really likes the fact that they're using free speech and, you know, those those

01:04:12.080 things that we hold dear in this country to you to to to make fun of, to throw satire

01:04:17.060 at, to to to dramatize things.

01:04:19.320 And when they're not allowed to tweet and I think what they said was Rachel Levine is

01:04:23.120 their man of the year or something when you're not allowed to tweet that in a free society

01:04:27.500 and the Twitter CEO, this this Prague guy or Praga, when he says free speech is not going

01:04:32.980 to be an important thing for us on this platform anymore.

01:04:35.900 Elon, I think he will make a difference, but I don't like the whole thing that that came

01:04:39.680 out from Twitter very quickly.

01:04:40.880 We're not going to restore Trump.

01:04:42.180 Don't worry about it, because he's the largest stakeholder now shareholder now.

01:04:46.640 And I think that he's going to have a say in that.

01:04:48.700 But I do think he's serious about making it what it was supposed to be.

01:04:51.900 It's certainly a publisher now.

01:04:53.680 It decides what you and I can can put on there and what we can't.

01:04:56.540 It's not a platform.

01:04:57.460 Shouldn't get Section 230 protections.

01:04:59.540 But I do think he's serious just if for nothing else.

01:05:03.200 I think he's this black and white just because of the Babylon Bee.

01:05:06.340 And can you imagine being the being Seth Dillon and getting that call?

01:05:09.300 Hey, it's Elon.

01:05:10.400 Are you really suspended from Twitter?

01:05:12.380 Seth says yes.

01:05:13.420 He buys it.

01:05:14.440 I'm delighted that he loves the Babylon Bee, right?

01:05:17.180 It's like, hey, you took away my favorite satire source.

01:05:19.740 I'm going to fix this.

01:05:21.260 You know, like they got lucky that Elon was such a fan, but he may not be a fan of every

01:05:26.280 single show that's in jeopardy out there.

01:05:28.080 And we don't have that many billionaires on our side.

01:05:31.000 You know, I mean, we do, but actually, I don't know.

01:05:33.140 They don't usually step in.

01:05:34.160 And I do.

01:05:34.440 But I do like the model of just buying up the existing, you know, frameworks as opposed

01:05:39.000 to creating your own because creating our own hasn't worked in every circumstance.

01:05:41.980 But the reality is, Joe, you know, he can't buy Facebook.

01:05:45.400 He can't buy Apple.

01:05:46.900 He can't buy Google.

01:05:48.540 Those entities are too big.

01:05:50.020 Amazon, they're too big.

01:05:51.680 So in those, you know, on those fronts, we do need alternative platforms.

01:05:56.640 I do like the fact that like the Daily Wire is trying to fight all this.

01:06:00.100 They're creating their own kids content now because of Disney's insanity.

01:06:04.420 But again, it's a beautiful thing that we know. 0.90

01:06:06.440 We I'm glad to know Disney is insane.

01:06:08.260 I didn't totally appreciate that until I saw the Chris Rufo revelations.

01:06:12.720 Well, and I think that the byproduct of all of that is, yes, the Daily Wire is doing kid

01:06:16.480 stuff.

01:06:16.860 You've got Jack Posobiec out there doing kid stuff.

01:06:19.380 You also have people who are waking up inside Disney saying, hey, the majority of us don't

01:06:24.060 feel this way.

01:06:24.860 The majority of us don't agree with this this agenda that they're pushing.

01:06:28.540 Of course, it's boys and girls.

01:06:29.880 Of course, it's ladies and gentlemen.

01:06:31.320 And of course, Walt Disney started this because he thought children needed quality, family

01:06:35.100 oriented, value oriented programming.

01:06:36.860 Why they would change that now and do so to to bend a knee to about five percent of the

01:06:42.480 population doesn't make sense.

01:06:44.100 So you're right.

01:06:44.800 As we get these these bold stories that really do show up on our faces every single day,

01:06:49.520 no matter what media we're consuming, there are alternatives that start popping up.

01:06:53.460 But one thing I just have to know if you enjoyed the tweets from Jack Dorsey and and

01:06:57.440 Paraga after Elon Musk.

01:06:59.100 Oh, we were so happy he's here.

01:07:00.920 We're so happy he's on the board of directors.

01:07:02.600 This is wonderful.

01:07:03.860 That won't last.

01:07:04.860 No way.

01:07:06.260 I don't think I don't think I don't think it meant that.

01:07:08.400 Yeah, it wasn't true in the first place.

01:07:09.660 Come on.

01:07:10.480 And I do think, you know, the truth is, is going to be a massive headache, headache for

01:07:13.720 Elon Musk, too, because what's going to happen is every time they do something that, you know,

01:07:18.940 hurts a conservative or even just right leaning or, you know, heterodox thinker, that person's

01:07:24.880 going to at Elon Musk.

01:07:26.180 Like, are you OK with this?

01:07:27.680 Are we fix this?

01:07:28.800 I mean, this could become his full time job.

01:07:30.220 And nobody wants this to be Elon Musk's full time job.

01:07:32.900 He's going to live to root.

01:07:33.700 He's going to have to buy the rest of it if he can just to shut everybody up.

01:07:36.700 So it's total control.

01:07:38.260 OK, wait, let's squeeze in a quick break here and then we'll come back because we've got

01:07:41.380 to get into what's happening with immigration.

01:07:42.880 I find it very disturbing.

01:07:44.500 It's a crisis and it's about to get a lot worse and very little is being done about it,

01:07:48.680 though.

01:07:48.820 There is a push.

01:07:49.540 We're going to have more with Joe Paggs in one second.

01:07:51.520 All right, Joe, so I know you live in Texas and Texas is feeling the brunt of this immigration 1.00

01:08:01.460 crisis, this illegal immigration crisis that Joe Biden has rolled out the red carpet for.

01:08:06.160 I mean, it's it's just the truth.

01:08:08.360 Fox News reporting now, their correspondent there saying in Brownsville, Texas, we're once

01:08:13.060 again witnessing the mass release of single adult migrants from federal custody.

01:08:17.520 This one group he was noting dropped off on a bus two hours ago, just left several hundred

01:08:23.080 are released here every day.

01:08:24.300 And then another update about the fourth bus I've seen today.

01:08:26.840 First, the women get off, then the men. 0.99

01:08:28.800 They're just releasing folks back back into the United States.

01:08:32.160 That's it.

01:08:32.580 Good luck.

01:08:33.060 Hope you show up for your, quote, asylum hearing.

01:08:36.060 We're welcoming them with bags and backpacks of supplies.

01:08:38.980 We're calling cabs and buses to take these illegal immigrants anywhere they want. 1.00

01:08:43.060 Many of them are giving phones.

01:08:44.840 They're giving phones on federal taxpayer dime.

01:08:47.340 That's allegedly how we're going to keep track of them.

01:08:50.360 And in the meantime, there are reports that the Border Patrol, like down in the Rio Grande

01:08:54.480 Valley, is saying this is who we're managing to arrest.

01:08:57.820 Never mind who gets by us.

01:08:59.420 So far, we've arrested MS-13 gang members, cartel members, convicted child rapists, people

01:09:05.120 convicted of murder in Honduras, convicted of attempted murder.

01:09:09.820 Several gang members wanted for homicide and tons and tons.

01:09:13.960 Record numbers of unaccompanied children as young as six, one, one year old.

01:09:20.980 There's this is one picture we got.

01:09:23.920 It's got three siblings, two six year olds and a one year old alone with no family present.

01:09:30.420 And we're kind of shrugging our shoulders about to loosen the immigration restrictions even

01:09:36.220 more.

01:09:37.700 What do you make of it?

01:09:39.140 Well, they're and they're lying about it, Megan.

01:09:40.840 When Jen Psaki was asked about why you would get rid of Title 42, which is the title that

01:09:45.500 was reutilized.

01:09:46.240 I think it's from the 70s.

01:09:47.120 It was reutilized by Trump to say anybody who's ill and we're dealing with COVID big

01:09:51.920 time.

01:09:52.540 Anybody who's ill can't come in.

01:09:54.360 You have to go back to where you came from. 0.57

01:09:56.120 Title 42 made that easy for us to do so.

01:09:58.680 And it is something the CDC has to authorize.

01:10:00.640 But guess who who asked them to authorize it?

01:10:02.620 The president.

01:10:03.320 So Trump asked them, can you authorize it?

01:10:05.000 They said, of course.

01:10:05.940 And now Biden and Psaki are saying, well, the CDC is making the decision to get rid of

01:10:09.200 Title 42.

01:10:10.160 That's a lie.

01:10:11.280 So what we're dealing with right now is record numbers of people coming across the border.

01:10:14.500 I saw one study recently, I can't cite it, but there's an assumption that as many as

01:10:18.400 10,000 illegals can start coming across the border every day.

01:10:22.200 You add up 30 days in a month, you add up all the months in the year, 3.6 million people

01:10:26.600 coming through illegally.

01:10:28.200 This is on top of our compassionate million that we let in legally every year, which I

01:10:32.080 think should probably be enough.

01:10:33.500 But why do we keep on adding more magnets, more enticements for people to come here?

01:10:38.440 We'll give you a backpack, as you said, $600 in food stamps.

01:10:41.840 Here's a free smartphone.

01:10:42.960 And then when Psaki was asked about the smartphone, she said, well, this is how we can keep in

01:10:47.300 contact with them.

01:10:48.480 Well, Megan, I don't know.

01:10:49.220 It's pretty easy to throw a phone away and then not have somebody track you.

01:10:52.180 There's no ankle bracelet.

01:10:53.380 There's no detention whatsoever, really a couple of hours now.

01:10:56.280 And a lot of these people, as you alluded to, are 18 to 40 year old men.

01:11:00.880 Well, why are they coming here?

01:11:02.260 And what is the asylum they're seeking?

01:11:03.960 What is the hardship?

01:11:05.300 It's not Cuba.

01:11:06.180 It's not Venezuela.

01:11:07.000 It's not China, not North Korea, where they're coming from. 0.97

01:11:09.960 They're coming from like Honduras because the job doesn't pay enough or they want a better 1.00

01:11:14.260 house.

01:11:14.660 So they hear that grocery stores here are really stocked up.

01:11:16.880 It doesn't make any sense why these policies are happening.

01:11:19.680 I'm a compassionate guy.

01:11:21.240 I live in Texas, though, where we're being overrun.

01:11:23.600 I do like that our governor is trying to do something, but I'm not sure how successful

01:11:26.440 that's going to be.

01:11:27.560 But it's worse than you think if you're here seeing it because I'm in the San Antonio area.

01:11:33.200 They'll take thousands of people, drop them off in the central part of San Antonio and

01:11:36.680 say, as you said, have a nice day.

01:11:38.640 Welcome to America.

01:11:39.600 It's very strange.

01:11:40.900 Well, I think it's interesting.

01:11:41.700 Governor Abbott is going to be putting folks on busloads to Washington, D.C., you know,

01:11:46.340 these illegal migrants.

01:11:47.680 Like I've seen some pushback even from conservatives on Twitter like, hey, these are not chess pieces.

01:11:51.820 But in his defense, Washington, D.C. doesn't have to deal with the influx.

01:11:58.140 And these are not all great people.

01:12:00.000 You know, there are some criminals who are 100 percent are taking advantage of this lax border

01:12:03.800 policy. And why should the people in Texas be the only ones who have to feel the pain?

01:12:08.080 Why shouldn't the people in D.C., all of whom are lean Democratic and support these

01:12:11.760 open borders for the most part, have to feel some of that inconvenience and pain as opposed

01:12:17.000 to just our friends in Arizona and New Mexico and Texas and so on?

01:12:20.480 Anybody who's allegedly conservative who says that we're using these people as pawns don't

01:12:24.980 realize the left is using them as pawns.

01:12:27.220 They're using them to call us ethnocentric or racist or horrible people who don't understand

01:12:31.380 that these women and children need to have a better life and we have to provide it somehow. 0.58

01:12:35.540 The people in Washington, D.C. aren't dealing with this directly.

01:12:38.540 We've got we've got Jerry Nadler, who was yelled at by Chip Roy, my congressman,

01:12:42.560 yesterday in the House of Representatives, because in committee, Nadler was being a snob about

01:12:47.400 the entire thing, acting as if there really isn't a problem.

01:12:49.820 And why aren't we compassionate enough?

01:12:51.440 You want compassion.

01:12:52.280 Go and talk to people who are Democrats who live in the Rio Grande Valley.

01:12:55.900 Go talk to people in Donna, Texas, McAllen.

01:12:57.840 Go talk to people in Del Rio, Texas, where somehow the entirety of Haiti knew where Del

01:13:02.460 Rio, Texas was.

01:13:03.960 And the 30,000 Haitians were waiting under a bridge for a week and a half or two weeks

01:13:08.300 until they just disappeared one day and ended up being part of America.

01:13:11.820 These people in Washington are on their high horses.

01:13:13.940 They're on their pedestals.

01:13:14.740 They don't really know what's going on or they don't care what's going on.

01:13:17.680 So, Megan, I'm all for busing these people straight to the Capitol steps or better yet,

01:13:22.740 send them to San Francisco or send them to Delaware.

01:13:25.380 I wonder what Joe Biden would think about that.

01:13:27.080 I mean, we're not compassionate if we send them somewhere else, but we're compassionate

01:13:32.660 if we let them overrun ranches and overrun schools and overrun our neighborhoods.

01:13:38.180 And we don't know who they are, as you said.

01:13:40.180 It doesn't make sense.

01:13:41.400 And I'm sick of Washington, you know, throwing their noses up and acting like they're on

01:13:45.060 the moral high ground here.

01:13:46.520 They're not.

01:13:47.180 How are they on the moral high ground when their policies have encouraged a record number

01:13:50.960 of teenagers and children to arrive without their parents?

01:13:54.840 Where's AOC, right?

01:13:56.220 Where's she now? 0.99

01:13:57.160 Because we're heading record numbers of children coming across the border alone.

01:14:01.520 Look at this.

01:14:02.720 We've had almost 100 percent increase in the number of kids coming across the border by

01:14:06.400 themselves since February.

01:14:08.060 We're in March.

01:14:09.020 We're almost 19,000 of them.

01:14:12.280 We haven't hit highs like that ever.

01:14:14.380 The previous high was 11,861 in May of 2019.

01:14:18.300 Now we're at almost 19,000 migrants arriving as part of family groups also soared in January.

01:14:26.040 It was 7,200 in February.

01:14:28.520 It was about 19,000 in March.

01:14:31.100 It was 53,000 more than doubled.

01:14:35.060 They're running across the southern border.

01:14:37.680 We don't have the facilities.

01:14:38.660 We have the cramped detention conditions.

01:14:40.600 Where is she with her little photo op in her little white outfit pretending to be there 1.00

01:14:45.340 crying?

01:14:45.980 Oh, she doesn't care now that it's a Democrat politician in the White House. 1.00

01:14:49.360 Well, she also lied that women were drinking out of toilets. 1.00

01:14:52.140 That was a big fat lie that Border Patrol agents were hitting on her because she's so hot. 1.00

01:14:55.660 I guess she can't not hit on AOC when she's anywhere near you. 0.95

01:14:58.260 Everyone hits on her. 0.99

01:14:59.940 Duh.

01:15:00.260 So, oh, all Republicans wanted to sleep with her, too, or something she tweeted about when

01:15:04.200 she was on vacation in Florida without a mask on.

01:15:06.520 Only if you criticize, Joe.

01:15:07.880 If you compliment her, you don't want to sleep with her.

01:15:10.400 But if you criticize her, you want her.

01:15:12.280 You dig her.

01:15:13.200 It's a bizarro world.

01:15:14.340 You know, Megan, the lack of compassion here is clearly on the left.

01:15:17.200 It's clearly on anybody who would make it more enticing to come to America.

01:15:20.940 So send your kid to walk 1,500 miles. 1.00

01:15:23.720 Send your kid to be raped the entire way. 1.00

01:15:25.980 Send your wife to be raped the entire way and pay $5,000 per head to come here. 1.00

01:15:30.380 That's somehow compassionate. 1.00

01:15:31.940 This is a human compassion issue.

01:15:34.100 This is a human trafficking, sex trafficking, drug trafficking issue at the border.

01:15:38.460 100,000 people die per year on overdoses or poisoning.

01:15:42.860 And this fentanyl is one of the biggest, baddest things.

01:15:46.040 It's all coming from China. 1.00

01:15:47.100 And the left wants more of it to come in.

01:15:48.920 I can't figure it out.

01:15:50.080 I really can't.

01:15:50.780 Yeah.

01:15:51.460 Well, speaking of China and inhumane behavior, it's crazy what's happening there right now. 0.52

01:15:56.680 I mean, it's truly crazy.

01:15:57.800 So they have this zero COVID policy, which, of course, is a fantasy.

01:16:02.080 And to enforce it, they've been doing all along these draconian lockdowns.

01:16:06.580 But the latest one is next level.

01:16:09.140 They're doing it in Shanghai, which has 26 million residents.

01:16:13.960 26 million.

01:16:14.900 I mean, New York City, I'm trying to remember, I think it's 8 million people actually live

01:16:19.560 in New York.

01:16:20.220 And when people influx to actually work in the city on a day, it's about 20 million.

01:16:23.840 So it's more than that.

01:16:24.880 Think of a city the size of New York, fully loaded with everybody working.

01:16:28.080 Plus, they've been confined to their homes since last Sunday.

01:16:32.520 The BBC reports this is the single largest city to be locked down today.

01:16:35.860 People are begging for food.

01:16:37.080 Jim Garrity doing this reporting at National Review.

01:16:39.360 10 days after Chinese authorities locked down the city of Shanghai, people are running out

01:16:43.380 of food and medical supplies.

01:16:45.340 They're being met with uncaring resistance.

01:16:47.320 You'll be shocked to hear from the authorities.

01:16:48.880 These drones are now coming outside of people's apartments saying, please comply with COVID

01:16:55.120 restrictions.

01:16:56.360 Control your soul's desire for freedom.

01:17:00.260 Do not open the window or sing.

01:17:03.320 This is reported by The Economist.

01:17:05.840 And they're taking your child.

01:17:07.940 So there was a report about, for example, one child who tested positive being separated from

01:17:12.500 her mother, even though the mother also tested positive.

01:17:15.400 They took the kid.

01:17:16.240 They put the kid in some hospital, I guess, or some facility where they're stockpiling

01:17:21.800 the children.

01:17:22.780 The mother went on the record saying, I have no idea what's happened to her.

01:17:25.920 There have been no photos.

01:17:26.880 I'm totally anxious.

01:17:27.640 I have no idea what situation my kid is in.

01:17:29.840 This is nuts, Joe.

01:17:31.940 Well, it's not only nuts.

01:17:33.440 I feel for the people that got this video out.

01:17:35.580 We've seen some video where people are on their hands and knees submitting to testing.

01:17:39.600 And if you don't stay on your knees, you get beaten up right there in the street.

01:17:42.520 I've been to China.

01:17:43.400 As you know, I adopted a baby from China.

01:17:45.240 And when there, it's a society worse than you can even imagine what it is.

01:17:50.340 And I saw what they wanted me to see as an American.

01:17:53.040 But I went online and I Googled Tiananmen Square just to see what the Chinese Google would 0.92

01:17:57.380 tell me.

01:17:58.140 And it turns out, Megan, I don't know if you knew this, but one guy died accidentally when

01:18:01.300 a bullet ricocheted off the ground.

01:18:03.660 Now, we know that about 7,000 people were mowed down by tanks that day because they wanted

01:18:08.300 freedom.

01:18:08.660 And I guess since then, and even before then, they've been telling people, you have no freedom.

01:18:13.000 We're the boss of you.

01:18:14.000 We control you.

01:18:14.940 I can't imagine.

01:18:16.240 I've walked the streets of New York as you have.

01:18:18.160 I can't imagine three times more people than you might see on any given day in New York.

01:18:23.660 And all of those people are somehow confined to facilities or their residences.

01:18:28.260 And if you die from starvation, you do.

01:18:30.980 We at least stopped COVID.

01:18:32.760 It's startling to understand because we get this general sense from politicians that we

01:18:38.000 can compare what's happening anywhere in the world to what's happening here.

01:18:41.100 I remember historically and famously, Obama said about some part of Afghanistan, it's a

01:18:46.280 city about the size of Charlotte.

01:18:48.180 Well, yeah, it might be geographically, but it's nothing like Charlotte.

01:18:51.220 And we don't really understand how inhumane many leaders are on this planet.

01:18:56.200 I'm glad some of this video is getting out.

01:18:57.700 I don't know what we can do about it, to be honest, other than you and I being very

01:19:01.160 upset about it and everybody watching and listening being very upset about it.

01:19:03.840 But something on a global scale needs to take place where human rights violations like this

01:19:08.420 are stopped and people are getting to at least breathe, live, eat and be with their families.

01:19:12.620 That's not asking much.

01:19:13.760 I'm sure LeBron James is going to speak out about it soon.

01:19:16.740 Yeah, I'm going to hold my breath.

01:19:18.120 Okay, yeah, you probably will.

01:19:19.600 I'm waiting.

01:19:20.820 You know, it's not exactly a parallel, but just as a segue, speaking of too much government

01:19:25.720 control, I'm very interested in your railing.

01:19:29.740 That sounds derogatory, but I don't mean it that way, about what's happening to the

01:19:33.640 American car industry and this never ending push to convert us to electric.

01:19:38.440 You know, I don't want to convert to electric.

01:19:40.240 I have no desire to do that.

01:19:41.400 I don't want to spend that much money on a Tesla.

01:19:44.600 You know, maybe when they get down to some reasonable price and the batteries are everywhere

01:19:48.300 and it becomes just easier, I'll consider it.

01:19:51.480 It's not that I don't care about the environment, but I'm not doing it.

01:19:55.360 So I've seen you railing about it, but for different reasons.

01:19:58.860 And I kind of liked how you talked about your upbringing and so on.

01:20:02.840 Talk about it.

01:20:03.660 Tell me about it.

01:20:04.760 Well, yeah, I did the monologue on this the other day on my show.

01:20:07.100 My dad and I didn't have the best relationship.

01:20:09.060 I don't know what the deal was, but we didn't get along that great.

01:20:12.140 We just saw the world in different ways.

01:20:13.920 But when it came time to fix a car, when it came time to change a tire or wrench on the

01:20:18.220 engine, that was bonding time.

01:20:20.900 I mean, that was my favorite time of my life when it came to my relationship with my dad.

01:20:25.800 And, you know, we're Chevy people.

01:20:27.120 I was a 350 Chevy guy growing up.

01:20:29.180 I couldn't wait to one day maybe have a Corvette.

01:20:31.460 I achieved it.

01:20:32.320 Don't tell anybody.

01:20:33.260 But at the end of the day, without that bonding, I don't know what that relationship would have

01:20:37.120 been.

01:20:37.440 And we weren't unique.

01:20:38.940 There were kids in the neighborhood who were wrenching with their dads.

01:20:40.900 And back then, I was born in 1966, back then, that really was the relationship because

01:20:46.400 dad worked three jobs and tried to keep food on the table.

01:20:48.600 And maybe we can go to IHOP once a month, you know, and go get the Grand Slam breakfast

01:20:52.640 or something.

01:20:53.260 But other than that, there wasn't a whole lot of I'm proud of you, son, or I love you,

01:20:56.600 Joey.

01:20:56.900 It was, hey, get me the 916 socket.

01:20:59.120 And then we would spend four, five, six hours doing something.

01:21:01.880 And I knew that that was that important.

01:21:03.500 And even later in life, once I became a success, I started buying my little sports cars that I

01:21:07.420 so desired growing up.

01:21:08.620 And my dad would not call and say, how's work going?

01:21:11.500 He wouldn't call and say, how's the family?

01:21:13.540 He'd call and say, you know, on a 3.8 liter Buick, you're going to have the turbo.

01:21:17.100 What should the turbo boost be?

01:21:18.840 And that was him saying, I love you.

01:21:20.640 I'm thinking about you.

01:21:21.380 And I miss you.

01:21:22.180 For some reason, left in this country.

01:21:24.320 And by the way, cars also mean freedom.

01:21:26.400 That is the first set of wheels that we got.

01:21:28.100 I mean, I'm sure you can remember yours.

01:21:29.500 I can remember mine.

01:21:30.580 The first set of wheels you got, that meant I can get in the car and go buy some gum and not

01:21:34.720 need mom and dad to be with me.

01:21:36.120 It just meant American freedom, the open road, relationships were built around cars.

01:21:40.880 And I've got a push from people like Pete Buttigieg that I should take public transportation

01:21:45.360 and go buy an EV because buying an EV is easy.

01:21:48.660 And then Joe Biden telling me I can save $80 a month, Megan, on gasoline if I just go and

01:21:55.120 buy an EV that costs 50 grand.

01:21:56.820 I mean, it doesn't make sense.

01:21:58.400 But I really do think it's deeper than just this green agenda.

01:22:01.560 I think that there's also a push to take away freedom from our individual households

01:22:07.360 and families and maybe rely even more on the government.

01:22:10.380 And that bothers me.

01:22:11.980 I hadn't considered it that way, but it feels right to me to listen to you talk about it.

01:22:16.920 And even in my own background, we got a used Subaru for my first car, but my best friend

01:22:22.800 Kelly, she had a cherry Apple red Chevy Camaro.

01:22:29.220 And it was amazing.

01:22:31.000 We felt so cool in that car.

01:22:33.420 It was like we could not be seen enough in it.

01:22:36.040 It was used, but we couldn't have cared less, right?

01:22:37.980 It does mean something to you.

01:22:39.420 The electric EV, I will say the Tesla looks pretty cool and all that.

01:22:42.180 It's just so inconvenient right now.

01:22:44.340 We're not yet built for it with the charging stations everywhere.

01:22:47.220 And we'll probably be there in 30 years, but we're not there yet.

01:22:50.100 And I really don't want to be lectured to by all these people who are driven around all

01:22:53.920 day in their SUVs about why I have to get rid of mine and downgrade to an EV, as you

01:22:58.420 say.

01:22:59.060 And why is it one or the other?

01:23:00.740 Well, why can't we have both?

01:23:01.900 It's just like, you know, nuclear energy is great to get rid of fossil fuels or liquefied

01:23:06.080 natural gas is great.

01:23:07.000 Let's get rid of everything else.

01:23:08.100 How about all of the above?

01:23:09.100 What's wrong with me having a Corvette or a Camaro while somebody drives a Model X Tesla?

01:23:13.840 I'm fine with them.

01:23:14.700 I think they're nice little cars.

01:23:15.740 They just don't want one.

01:23:16.600 And when I turn the key, Megan, this is going to be, it sounds so Neanderthal, but when 0.51

01:23:21.420 I turn the key and I hear blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that makes me feel

01:23:25.040 good.

01:23:25.400 I'm like, I'm a red blooded American guy who wants to ride down the road and have somebody

01:23:29.020 look at my little car and wave or give me a thumbs up.

01:23:31.580 And I love the note out of the tailpipe.

01:23:33.360 Why is that bad?

01:23:34.420 Pete Buttigieg hates me for that, which doesn't make any sense.

01:23:37.360 He's literally the opposite of you in every way.

01:23:40.140 In every way.

01:23:41.060 That's true.

01:23:42.280 He's the anti-Joe Pags.

01:23:44.000 I'm team Joe Pags. 1.00

01:23:45.080 No, he's also the man responsible for the fact that we have to keep putting the stupid 0.99

01:23:49.120 masks on our faces when we get on public transportation, in particular, the airplanes, which is driving 1.00

01:23:54.980 me nuts.

01:23:56.040 And you may have another problem if you get on the airplane run by Alaska Air.

01:24:03.120 Alaska Air has gone woke.

01:24:05.080 I guess you no longer can say the female flight attendants have to be in a certain uniform and 1.00

01:24:13.180 the male flight attendants have to be in the other uniform.

01:24:15.880 Now they're going to let the men wear makeup and have double pierce. 1.00

01:24:19.860 Anybody can have a double piercing.

01:24:21.580 I'm looking at the new rules.

01:24:24.820 Okay.

01:24:25.100 You now have the option.

01:24:26.680 Oh, you can wear personal pro down pins.

01:24:28.540 That's great.

01:24:29.060 You can wear, even if you're a guy, you can wear fingernail polish, makeup, two earrings

01:24:34.980 per ear, a single stud nose piercing, and you can have tattoos in several more locations

01:24:42.560 and you have more hairstyle options on Alaska Air.

01:24:46.320 So why do we need this?

01:24:48.500 Megan, I just wanted to take it from point A to point B.

01:24:51.300 I don't want anything else.

01:24:52.220 I don't want to really know about your personal life.

01:24:53.660 I don't love you if you're a flight attendant.

01:24:55.160 I certainly respect you, but you're not in my family.

01:24:57.480 You don't really matter that much after I get off the plane as much as I won't matter

01:25:00.760 to you much when I, once I get off the plane and I shouldn't, um, the fact that you need

01:25:04.460 me in your private life and your personal life somehow, uh, to make you feel better and more

01:25:08.080 secure about who you are bothers me.

01:25:10.180 I want to say this.

01:25:11.100 And if people think that I'm somehow out of line, that's, that's up to them.

01:25:14.200 If you don't know my pronouns, that's your problem.

01:25:17.180 I mean, you should be able to tell what my pronouns are.

01:25:19.180 And if I use, if you use the wrong pronoun on me, as much as that'll bother me for about

01:25:23.640 two seconds, I'm not going to think much about you after that.

01:25:26.300 I don't know why they can't be secure enough in who they are to live the way they want

01:25:31.000 to live without forcing me to acknowledge them living the way they want to live.

01:25:34.660 That's really the game here.

01:25:35.800 It's not that I want you to call me she and her.

01:25:38.260 It's that I want to be known as she and her.

01:25:40.580 And I want the entirety of the population of the United States and maybe the globe to

01:25:44.180 acknowledge he's a, she and her.

01:25:46.360 And if they don't, then they're somehow bad.

01:25:48.940 There's something is there's something a phobe fly me from point A to point B.

01:25:52.740 Hey, give me a Diet Coke or Diet Dr. Pepper when it's time for drink.

01:25:56.760 And then once we got off the plane, if it was a nice flight, I'll thank the pilot.

01:26:00.200 That's it.

01:26:00.720 Why does it go deeper than that?

01:26:02.240 Yeah.

01:26:02.560 I remember, you know, look from time immemorial, dress codes have been upheld by the law as

01:26:08.700 legal.

01:26:09.620 As long as you're requiring it.

01:26:10.220 The Supreme Court said so, you're right.

01:26:11.400 Yeah.

01:26:11.720 Across the board.

01:26:12.500 It's like, you can't say, oh, the women have to wear skirts and keep their hair neat and 1.00

01:26:15.960 the men can do what they want.

01:26:16.980 That's not okay.

01:26:17.520 But if you have uniform dress code requirements that, you know, they don't have to be exactly

01:26:21.400 the same, but they have to be, they have to apply in general, both, both sexes have

01:26:24.920 to have some restrictions or requirements.

01:26:26.920 They're legal.

01:26:27.700 And now they're basically saying, no, it's unlawful to treat non-binary people this way.

01:26:32.080 Okay.

01:26:32.300 Whatever.

01:26:32.660 Alaska airs has airlines has folded.

01:26:35.140 Though I have to tell you with the people who are like in between, like if it's a man who's

01:26:38.780 dressing like a woman and I clearly see he wants me to call him a she, I'll do it. 1.00

01:26:42.000 Um, I realize it's controversial, but whatever, um, it, the people who it's not clear, I,

01:26:47.540 I would appreciate a pronoun pin.

01:26:49.480 How many times have you been like, how are you doing, sir? 1.00

01:26:51.760 And you're like, oh shit. 0.99

01:26:53.260 Oh wait, I'm not supposed to swear. 1.00

01:26:54.940 You're right.

01:26:55.160 You're like, oh yeah.

01:26:56.440 And then you're like, oh, I didn't mean to.

01:26:57.760 Anyway, I, I could use a few more pronoun pins in my life.

01:27:00.280 Not, not from the people for whom it's clear.

01:27:02.140 Uh, all right.

01:27:03.160 President Obama returned to the white house.

01:27:04.940 Joe Paggs.

01:27:05.300 You probably saw this yesterday.

01:27:06.600 He stole all of the excitement.

01:27:09.680 Joe Biden was walking around, like looking a little confused.

01:27:13.880 No one would talk to him.

01:27:14.880 He even tried to get president Obama to talk to him and he wouldn't.

01:27:17.260 He could put his hand on his shoulder.

01:27:19.160 Nobody, Obama wouldn't turn around.

01:27:21.060 And yet they crowded Barack Obama like a rock star.

01:27:24.180 To me, it was like a little sad.

01:27:25.600 And Barack Obama in his little speech kept saying, I, me, my, I, me, my.

01:27:29.840 It was like, I just, I didn't think he treated Joe Biden well.

01:27:32.860 And I didn't think the crowd treated Joe Biden well.

01:27:34.760 And I thought there's a reason they're not treating Joe Biden well, because Joe Biden,

01:27:38.880 you know, he's, I don't, Ben Shapiro calls him a house plant.

01:27:42.100 I don't, he's just not inspirational.

01:27:45.040 All right.

01:27:45.480 I'll, I'll be kind and say he's not inspirational.

01:27:49.020 What we saw with Barack Obama showing back up at the white house, I think was very telling.

01:27:52.800 And maybe I have a different take than, than you might have.

01:27:55.300 I think that it showed the world what we were assuming that this was Barack Obama's third

01:27:59.360 term.

01:27:59.700 I think without a doubt, we're showing that he's the guy running the joint and that Joe

01:28:03.820 is up there to be sort of the figurehead.

01:28:05.640 And, you know, Megan, you alluded to something that, that really is for me a very tough topic.

01:28:10.660 My, my grandmother died with, uh, with dementia.

01:28:12.880 She had Alzheimer's and, and I, I don't, I don't laugh at it.

01:28:15.860 I don't think it's funny.

01:28:16.860 Um, Ronnie Jackson, who was the former doctor at the white house, he's now a representative

01:28:19.920 from here in the great state of Texas has been on my show.

01:28:22.400 And he said, he believes this is, this is age related onset dementia.

01:28:26.680 I don't disagree with him, but I also know that Joe Biden was a bad guy.

01:28:29.700 Almost his entire career.

01:28:31.360 And Joe Biden is a guy that I don't respect because of the decisions he's made and because

01:28:35.260 of the stances he's taken.

01:28:36.380 So it's a, it's a hard equilibrium for me.

01:28:38.660 I feel bad for what he's going through. 0.97

01:28:40.780 I think his family sucks for, for putting him, you know, up even to be the figurehead. 0.91

01:28:45.060 But Obama's appearance yesterday at the white house told me clearly that Barack Obama is 0.98

01:28:50.000 in charge.

01:28:50.500 And even him through his narcissism couldn't stop himself from calling Joe Biden, the vice president.

01:28:55.500 And then he said it was a joke.

01:28:56.700 It wasn't, he did that just out of, um, out of knowledge in his own head, but he's running

01:29:01.280 the place and that Joe Biden is his second in charge.

01:29:03.740 And they laughed about it.

01:29:05.020 They gave a fake hug and this whole thing, Barack Obama showing back up and having the

01:29:08.760 people clamoring around him and Joe Biden, walking around the leader of the free world,

01:29:11.820 walking around with nobody even wanted to get to say hello to him.

01:29:15.260 That told me a lot.

01:29:16.180 It really did.

01:29:16.640 But, but are you like me?

01:29:17.880 You're not, I'm not really sure how to treat Joe Biden because I know his history. 0.90

01:29:21.360 I know what a horrible guy he's, but he's been a racist his whole life as well. 0.96

01:29:24.080 And he's the big guy on Hunter Biden's laptop, but holy crap, he's going through something 1.00

01:29:27.980 horrible. 0.53

01:29:28.480 It's tough for me.

01:29:29.560 I don't know.

01:29:30.340 I don't, you know, I feel a little uncomfortable watching him, you know, when he can't get his

01:29:33.840 words out and all that.

01:29:34.560 I don't like, you know, makes me feel uncomfortable watching it.

01:29:38.140 And then it makes me feel a little uncomfortable making fun of it though.

01:29:40.680 I have, I admit I have.

01:29:42.480 Um, but I feel like he put himself in this position.

01:29:44.380 So it's like, you know, you, you put yourself there.

01:29:46.280 You didn't have to do that.

01:29:47.080 There's a reason my mom's sitting in her lazy boy at home. 1.00

01:29:48.960 You know, she, she was never going to be the president, but I'm just saying she understands

01:29:53.000 her limitations.

01:29:53.800 She's doing great things.

01:29:54.740 They just don't have to involve being leader of the free world.

01:29:56.820 And his ego was bigger than his capabilities, right.

01:30:00.960 Then his ability to hold on mentally.

01:30:02.840 That's not my fault.

01:30:03.820 It's not your fault.

01:30:04.640 Our job is to call it as we see it.

01:30:06.680 And we see a man deteriorating and we see a man who I think this is more of an unpopular

01:30:11.040 situation.

01:30:11.620 You know, you, we, we see the kid at the prom who nobody wants to dance with, um, including,

01:30:16.200 you know, his old prom dance partner, Barack Obama, who was blowing him off at every turn

01:30:20.700 too.

01:30:21.220 He's just not an inspirational figure.

01:30:23.560 He doesn't make anybody feel good about the country, about him as a leader.

01:30:27.840 There are all sorts of reasons for it.

01:30:29.520 And look, Barack Obama at least did that for the less left.

01:30:32.400 Trump did that for the right.

01:30:33.840 It'd be great if next time around we could find somebody who does that for a wide swath of

01:30:37.900 America, irrespective of their politics.

01:30:39.660 Call me an optimist, Joe Paggs.

01:30:41.900 Maybe we can do it.

01:30:43.380 I hope we can, you know, a couple of things.

01:30:45.240 How did you know what happened at my prom?

01:30:46.940 And, uh, I would much, I would prefer your mom as the president. 0.99

01:30:49.860 I'll be honest with you. 0.92

01:30:50.800 No, I think that he's a horrible president.

01:30:52.280 I think that what you said makes a lot of sense.

01:30:53.800 I don't know that he was the one making the decision that he should run.

01:30:56.720 I think that he probably wanted to run in 2016, but there were reasons that, that we

01:31:00.600 hear that, that people were threatening him like Hillary in that campaign were threatening

01:31:03.520 him not to run or else we're going to expose maybe Hunter Biden's laptop.

01:31:06.380 Who knows?

01:31:07.000 But, uh, but no, I see what you're saying.

01:31:08.560 He put himself in this position, his family put himself in that position, but to see him 1.00

01:31:12.040 wandering around flailing about, first of all, it makes us look like idiots in this country 1.00

01:31:15.940 that he's in the office. 0.99

01:31:16.960 But, but secondly, I, I, I just, I feel, I feel like I want to tell the guy, go play

01:31:22.280 Mario Kart with the grandkids again.

01:31:24.000 And you shouldn't really be in this position.

01:31:25.740 But Megan, did you get what I got?

01:31:27.160 Do you think it was Obama's narcissism and just his, his self-worth, um, that that was

01:31:31.920 on display?

01:31:32.560 Or do you think that I'm onto something that he might be running some stuff?

01:31:35.100 I don't know that he's running anything.

01:31:37.380 I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure he could, because it doesn't seem to me that Joe Biden's calling

01:31:40.440 all the shots, but I always assumed it was his team that's making the shots.

01:31:43.440 It's Ron Klain.

01:31:44.060 It's Psaki. 0.89

01:31:44.620 It's all these other sort of NAT security people behind him.

01:31:47.360 Right.

01:31:47.520 I'm not sure that Barack Obama, I think Michelle Obama is like, we're done.

01:31:50.480 We're done.

01:31:51.000 Put the phone down.

01:31:52.080 Get back on our gazillion dollar Spotify deal and step away.

01:31:55.800 We'll see.

01:31:56.340 None of them can step away fully.

01:31:57.720 Their egos are too big.

01:31:58.660 Their narcissism too commanding.

01:32:00.700 Joe Paggs, always a pleasure.

01:32:02.620 Love it.

01:32:02.920 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:32:03.960 All right.

01:32:04.400 Say a prayer for me, because in about an hour, I'm getting my LASIK.

01:32:08.220 Tune in tomorrow to see whether I can still see.

01:32:10.640 Also, Joseph Massey, the poet who I loved, he's coming on and Dan Wooten as well.

01:32:15.580 See you then.

01:32:17.200 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:32:19.060 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 07, 2022

The Truth About Hunter Biden's Legal Troubles, and a Border Surge, with Sen. Ron Johnson and Joe Pags ｜ Ep. 295

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