The Megyn Kelly Show - The Truth About Tucker and Charlie Kirk, Egregious BBC Lie, and Violent Antifa vs. Turning Point, with Stu Burguiere ｜ Ep. 1191

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00:00:30.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.420 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.260 We are back live in the Red Studio today, taking a little break in between tour stops.

00:00:49.900 Our last and final tour stop starts next week, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and then we're done with the tour.

00:00:56.280 And I just want to say again, thanks to all of you so much who are showing up and making it incredibly special.

00:01:03.200 Yesterday was two months to the day since Charlie Kirk was murdered in a public execution.

00:01:08.480 Last night marked the end of what was supposed to be Charlie's tour across college campuses, an event he absolutely loved and for which he prepared hours and hours and hours on end prior to their beginning.

00:01:30.840 As you know, after he was murdered, conservatives like Michael Knowles, Tucker Carlson, yours truly, and many others stepped in to host those events in his honor.

00:01:40.900 I think most of us who went out there had been previously booked to do them with Charlie and others perhaps not.

00:01:47.800 But I don't know, it's just one of the things that made it so profound, I guess, to be out there on the stage because it was supposed to be a joint event.

00:01:58.300 It was supposed to be something that we did together.

00:02:00.380 And he's only been gone two months.

00:02:02.580 It's hard to believe how much has changed in those two months.

00:02:07.060 It's hard to believe just how disgustingly vile the left has gotten.

00:02:10.840 Honestly, like I, I don't know, I knew they were like not great.

00:02:15.720 Not sure I would have anticipated such large swaths of the left celebrating and even reveling in his assassination.

00:02:26.700 There's something deeply wrong with these people.

00:02:28.760 Charlie chose the University of California, Berkeley, birthplace of the campus free speech movement, though it hasn't been living up to that for quite some time to be his last stop.

00:02:40.720 Independent journalist Andy Ngo reporting the protests were organized by the violent Antifa group, quote, by any means necessary.

00:02:49.460 That's what they call themselves, but it's Antifa.

00:02:51.500 They showed up with signs like this one for the listening audience.

00:02:54.520 It reads, Kirk said, hold on, drowned fascism in a sea of resistance, revolutionary student organization.

00:03:05.600 Then there's another one that reads, Kirk said death penalties should be public, quick, and televised.

00:03:12.300 Congrats, bro. 1.00

00:03:14.860 Fucking douchebags. 1.00

00:03:15.940 Another sign held by two protesters with their faces covered and one wearing a cafe scarf reads, drown fascism in the sea of resistance. 1.00

00:03:24.340 We just showed that one.

00:03:25.420 And in front of them on the sidewalk, a pile of soiled freedoms shirts like the one Charlie was wearing when he was killed. 0.98

00:03:33.720 Another protester, again, with her face covered in a cafe, holding a sign that reads, Charlie Kirk berated black people rest in piss. 1.00

00:03:42.940 What kind of an idiot is that? 1.00

00:03:46.280 What the fuck is that? 1.00

00:03:47.200 He berated black people. 1.00

00:03:48.820 He berated no one. 0.99

00:03:50.160 He had spirited on-campus debates with blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, you name it, you absolute nimrod. 1.00

00:03:58.540 She clearly knows nothing about Charlie, his beliefs, or his practices. 1.00

00:04:01.780 Just another ignorant, stupid Ivy League college student. 1.00

00:04:07.880 Protesters also chanting, fuck your dead homie, over and over. 1.00

00:04:12.940 And there's a person pointing to his neck or hers, ambiguous, over and over on the left side, understanding that he's caught on camera. 1.00

00:04:39.640 It's unbelievable.

00:04:41.040 I mean, how many of these do we have to see to understand that they're reveling in Charlie's death?

00:04:45.600 They want more people killed on the right.

00:04:50.020 It's, of course, the same gesture that Chicago elementary school teacher Lucy Martinez made at a recent No Kings protest.

00:04:55.600 And just a reminder, she's apparently still employed by the school, and they're perfectly fine by that.

00:05:00.720 They're fine with that.

00:05:01.700 They love Lucy Martinez.

00:05:02.980 Great.

00:05:03.720 Great.

00:05:05.060 Per the news outlet, the Berkeley Scanner, several protesters passing by police officers, telling the officers to kill themselves or others, saying, you have a gun, use it wisely.

00:05:14.580 Five individuals were arrested in relation to various altercations with police and protesters.

00:05:20.100 One fight broke out after a Kirk supporter selling Freedom t-shirts was attacked and wound up bleeding heavily from his face.

00:05:29.100 Watch this. 1.00

00:05:29.600 Fuck you, fascists! 1.00

00:05:33.960 Fuck you, fascists! 1.00

00:05:36.520 Fuck you, fascists! 1.00

00:05:39.040 Fuck you, fascists! 1.00

00:05:42.460 Break it up! 1.00

00:05:44.820 Break it up! 1.00

00:05:46.280 Break it up! 1.00

00:05:47.680 Break it up! 1.00

00:05:49.820 Break it up! 1.00

00:05:51.140 Break it up! 1.00

00:05:52.500 Break it up! 1.00

00:05:54.240 This poor guy. 1.00

00:05:55.300 He was getting the living shit kicked out of him by these lunatics. 1.00

00:05:58.960 Police were not sure what started it. 0.99

00:06:00.640 Some said the Kirk supporter shouted a racial slur, but later footage was released that showed a violent protester yanked his cross necklace off from around his neck.

00:06:10.700 And can I tell you something?

00:06:11.520 I watched the whole lead up to that, at least what was posted online.

00:06:14.060 It was like eight minutes.

00:06:15.300 And the guy had been standing there just holding up the Freedom shirts and other shirts, Charlie Kirk type branded merch.

00:06:23.660 And everyone around him was aggressive.

00:06:26.700 My first thought in watching it was, they sound like they're about to get violent.

00:06:31.420 Like it did not sound like your average college campus douche.

00:06:36.560 They sounded angry and they sounded like they were getting ready to hurt him.

00:06:41.740 And sure enough, they did.

00:06:44.220 It's amazing.

00:06:45.120 However, there was a silver lining, the most amazing part of all, which was that every single person who stood in that line to support Charlie Kirk never left.

00:06:55.760 The taunting, the cursing, the screaming, the death threats, they were undeterred.

00:07:01.160 We saw explosions.

00:07:03.060 They were lighting off some sort of pipe bombs or flares.

00:07:07.680 No one left.

00:07:08.520 The event was sold out.

00:07:10.880 And this was the crowd inside.

00:07:15.240 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:17.240 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:18.380 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:19.880 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:21.440 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:22.960 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:24.480 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:26.000 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:27.540 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:28.380 Charlie Kirk!

00:07:30.620 Wow.

00:07:31.740 Joining me now, Stu Bergeer.

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00:08:41.500 So, Stu, welcome back.

00:08:44.440 I mean, any, like, any human would look at this and say, why don't we just let them do their thing, you know?

00:08:53.000 Like, the right is very much still in mourning over Charlie.

00:08:58.180 I don't know what these people are.

00:09:00.120 What is that?

00:09:00.900 Is that a human being? 0.98

00:09:01.880 Like, the one who taunts the freedom shirt holder, beating the shit out of people, the ones lighting off flares or Molotov cocktails. 0.97

00:09:08.980 I don't know what it was, but there was a clear, like, explosion that we saw on camera. 0.86

00:09:13.120 What is that?

00:09:14.100 I don't understand that species.

00:09:17.980 It's a great question.

00:09:19.240 I don't think I understand it either.

00:09:20.920 I don't know that I have met people like that.

00:09:24.300 They seem to exist.

00:09:25.260 You know, when I talk to people who are, you know, more left than I am, which is, you know, the vast majority of the American populace, most of them seem pretty rational and normal and maybe have some bad ideas.

00:09:37.880 But I can talk to them.

00:09:39.240 I can have a drink with them.

00:09:40.940 I can eat dinner with them and deal with them.

00:09:43.960 There is a massive change that is happening with at least a – I want to say a large chunk because that's what it feels like, but at least it's a decent-sized chunk of the left that has almost militarized.

00:09:59.340 You know, it feels like you see that around the pro-Palestinian protests.

00:10:04.620 You see it around the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk situation.

00:10:08.900 You saw it after George Floyd.

00:10:10.960 It's become much, much worse over time.

00:10:13.960 And I think it's been accelerated by, you know, the way that we deal with each other.

00:10:20.300 You know, young people in the last 20 years are – their time socializing with other human beings is down between 50% and 70%.

00:10:27.960 And apparently when they are socializing, things get worse.

00:10:32.580 People start bleeding all over the place.

00:10:34.200 You know, there's a – the stat that I'm always amazed by is that young women today that are pet owners spend more time actively engaged with their cats than they do other human beings.

00:10:48.620 And I don't know if that's just an awful part of this.

00:10:55.240 Like it's a symptom that maybe accelerates it.

00:10:57.240 It certainly doesn't cause you – I mean, hanging out with your cat doesn't make you attack other people.

00:11:01.400 But I do think there's a disconnect that's brewing between younger people and just the people around them.

00:11:08.380 They don't see them as humans.

00:11:10.000 They don't have any respect for them at all.

00:11:12.540 And I think it was really, really easy, a super low bar to clear, to feel sadness for the family of Charlie Kirk, for the people that supported him, even if you hate their ideas.

00:11:25.000 I mean, I don't find that to be a challenging thing.

00:11:27.940 If someone on the left is murdered, I don't – there's no moment where I'm like, gosh, I don't know.

00:11:32.280 Is this a good thing?

00:11:33.260 There's never – it's never a consideration for a human being that can operate within a civilization.

00:11:40.100 And that aspect of whatever bonds kept us together that we used to call a civilization has deteriorated to a massive extent, and it seems to be getting worse.

00:11:52.000 I mean, I think you show those pictures of inside of the arena.

00:11:55.020 You show the pictures of people staying in line through all of this.

00:11:58.660 We should not ignore all the positives that have happened after Charlie's passing, you know, people going back to church and doing incredible things.

00:12:08.280 I think people investigating faith again, and that stuff has all happened.

00:12:14.180 But it really is – it feels like these ends, the fringes are coming apart at a pace that is unsustainable.

00:12:25.020 All I can think when I see these people doing the fake shot in the neck and, you know, rest in piss and all that, like, all I can think is that there's a family in Phoenix, Arizona right now greatly suffering.

00:12:39.120 There's a baby boy who's still sleeping in a crib.

00:12:42.240 There's a toddler girl who have no understanding that they will never know their father.

00:12:47.360 And there's a mother who's trying to raise them. 0.99

00:12:49.820 Any mother who goes from having a two-parent intact family to losing the father will be overwhelmed with grief suddenly, losing him suddenly in particular, overwhelmed with grief and with the newfound responsibilities which are no longer shared at all.

00:13:05.740 So not only do you have to still raise these children and be ever-present for them, but you have to do it while you're massively grieving, and all the responsibilities just got divided, you know, that in large part were divided, are now all yours at your most vulnerable and weakest.

00:13:22.520 Erica Kirk, I assume it was Erica, I saw it like a third party, but posted this video of their baby boy in his crib and their toddler girl going over to him and singing Jesus Loves Me just a couple days ago.

00:13:37.700 Look at this too.

00:14:07.700 She puts her arms out to hug him, and he goes over, and he backs up, and then he goes back to hold his sister's hands.

00:14:34.480 That's a lot to take in.

00:14:35.960 Again, they are never going to know their dad.

00:14:40.500 They're never going to have Charlie Kirk to walk him down the aisle or give him the talk before they take a gal down the aisle or see their children through their grandparents' eyes or their father's eyes.

00:14:52.640 Like, none of it.

00:14:53.900 None of it.

00:14:54.380 That little boy bouncing up and down in that crib, just like we've all seen our babes bounce up and down in their cribs as she's singing.

00:15:01.340 You know, it's like Charlie's never going to get any of those moments.

00:15:03.420 I just don't get it.

00:15:04.540 I'm thinking of, like, who can I not stand the most on the left?

00:15:08.720 You know, like, who do I really loathe?

00:15:12.660 There's a few media personalities in particular, okay?

00:15:15.360 I'm not going to name them.

00:15:16.240 But I would never wish anything, like, anything bad to happen to them.

00:15:22.140 You know, I would never wish for them to get hurt, never mind die.

00:15:26.320 And God forbid they ever got attacked.

00:15:28.420 I would never celebrate it.

00:15:31.720 I would shed tears for them.

00:15:33.240 I would.

00:15:34.260 Like, especially people in our business who you spar with.

00:15:36.620 It's like, you know, it can get ugly at times.

00:15:38.760 But, like, to have that level of hatred and inhumanity in you, what you said sticks out to me.

00:15:44.940 50 to 70 – wait, can you say this, Dad, again?

00:15:49.320 That communication between people, like, person to person, young people has gone down 50 to 70 percent?

00:15:55.740 Yeah, people, you know, hosting events and hanging out with each other and just face-to-face time with other human beings has dropped among young people 50 to 70 percent.

00:16:05.660 And I believe it's over the entire American population.

00:16:08.480 It's over 20 percent.

00:16:10.080 Because it's this thing.

00:16:11.680 This thing did it. 0.85

00:16:12.560 Yeah.

00:16:12.900 The iPhone.

00:16:13.760 I'm sorry, but that was caused by Steve Jobs.

00:16:19.320 You know, it's back to this debate we've all been having ever since 2007 when it hit.

00:16:22.700 Has this thing done more harm than good or the opposite?

00:16:25.600 You know, gee, I have my map on my phone.

00:16:27.200 It makes driving so much easier for people who don't have directions like me in there.

00:16:31.020 It can't follow directions.

00:16:31.900 Like, you can get a photograph of your children in the bed, you know, in the crib very easily.

00:16:36.720 Like, all those things.

00:16:37.980 Email, text, work from home.

00:16:40.740 We no longer see people.

00:16:42.480 We no longer talk to each other.

00:16:44.160 We're shooting each other up. 0.95

00:16:45.520 We're celebrating each other's murders.

00:16:47.660 I'm sorry, but I think it's directly related to that rectangle we all walk around with in our pocket.

00:16:53.760 I completely agree that this is a massive component of it.

00:16:57.540 I mean, you know, read the Jonathan Haidt book that came out recently.

00:17:01.900 The Anxious Mind, I believe it's called.

00:17:03.840 I mean, the stats in there are just shocking.

00:17:05.500 You know, as a parent who has, you know, kids in this age, which they are constantly begging for phones and want them all the time and want their own phone.

00:17:13.420 And, you know, I'm out of – I mean, I look around even at my school, which is a conservative leading school.

00:17:20.140 Most kids – my kids are 14 and 12.

00:17:23.780 Most of them have phones.

00:17:25.660 And, you know, our kids don't at this point, but it's a hard thing to hold out for parents.

00:17:30.260 And if you think about how badly adults are handling this, how much society has changed and how human interaction has changed among adults, you think about what this must be doing to our kids.

00:17:42.660 I mean, you know, you look at the suicide rates and all of these other things, not to mention just brain rot that is happening.

00:17:50.380 That's a massive component.

00:17:51.760 And I think – because I think we could look at this and say both conservatives and liberals are both pretty guilty of just giving our lives over to these devices without really any thought, you know, hours and hours and hours a day.

00:18:06.160 And I think there is effect on both sides.

00:18:09.420 But I do think that the effect is really exaggerated on the left, and partially I think it's because the lack of personal connection, the not seeing each other as human works together with the idea of collectivism, unfortunately, into a really bad recipe because when –

00:18:28.580 And with one other thing, the loss of faith.

00:18:31.780 And the loss of faith is massive among that.

00:18:33.880 When you lose that personal connection, the personal foundation to a higher power, and then you combine that with collectivism, which is basically, you know, largely an idea of seeing people as members of groups rather than individuals, right?

00:18:46.580 That concept, which I also believe leads to racism and anti-Semitism and so many other terrible things because even when you see that stuff on the right, it's always in a collectivist mindset.

00:18:57.480 You're seeing these people as just this – hey, there's this giant glob of people and they're responsible for it rather than seeing them as individuals who you would be sad for when their children lose their father.

00:19:10.980 Like, when you just see him as this – and you see Charlie as this guy who was leading this movement toward things that I don't like in politics, it's a lot easier to go out and, you know, do these terrible things and mock his death and all of this when you're not seeing him as an individual.

00:19:28.180 This is a person who – yeah, you know, maybe he did like lower taxes than you.

00:19:32.180 You know, maybe he did like lower regulation levels than you won, and maybe his healthcare subsidy level was different than yours.

00:19:38.820 These aren't things that should make you cheer his death.

00:19:43.340 That is a low hurdle to clear, and one I believe for a really long time we were able to clear, at least as long as I've been alive.

00:19:50.960 And over the past few years, maybe accelerated by COVID, certainly accelerated by technology and just wild, you know, left-wing ideologies, we crossed a line that it doesn't seem like we're able to make those distinctions anymore.

00:20:07.580 We're not able to just say, hey, like, I don't like that – I don't like any of your ideas, but gosh, that's terrible what happened to you.

00:20:13.980 There were some on the left that were able to hit that hurdle, but far too few.

00:20:18.260 Well, I do think your points about collectivism and then the point about faith explain what's happening – explain why this is happening on the left but not the right.

00:20:29.500 You know, because the right-wing has young kids.

00:20:34.320 The right-wing has college-aged kids.

00:20:36.080 The right-wing has 18 to 24-year-olds right now who are not doing this.

00:20:41.500 So why?

00:20:42.760 Like, why not?

00:20:44.300 And I do think – it's not to say they've never had a shooter that age and so on come from the right-wing.

00:20:48.200 But I'm just saying in general, in general, right-wing families are connected with faith.

00:20:54.000 I mean, honestly, it's one of the reasons why the whole Tyler Robinson mystery is so bizarre because while he was a leftist, he came from a right-wing family.

00:21:02.660 And I don't know what role faith played in their life.

00:21:04.760 You know, just because your right-wing doesn't necessarily mean you're a family of faith.

00:21:07.320 But I do think that the more you remove faith from your life, the more you replace it with false gods like wokeism, which is extremely damaging.

00:21:17.420 It's basically the same thing as catching – not that it's contagious, but I mean like – as like getting anorexia, like a disease that will eat you away from the inside.

00:21:28.120 You do it to yourself.

00:21:29.440 You kill yourself day by day by day by choice by believing in things that aren't true.

00:21:35.580 So that's what these kids suffer from.

00:21:38.700 That's the collectivism.

00:21:39.820 And then, you know, if you fill up that space with a belief in God, in Jesus, in being redeemed from sin, and also just belonging to a community, then you don't have the need to turn to Antifa to work out your need to feel like you belong.

00:21:59.960 Now, every time I see one of these kids out there – and, you know, we always get inevitably the follow-up piece on how they're all rich, how they all have like, you know, endless supply cards at Starbucks and they have expensive laptops.

00:22:14.300 Yeah, here's some of the fire that we saw last night at the event.

00:22:18.220 Don't know exactly what that is, but not exactly a peaceful protest.

00:22:21.480 They're all rich.

00:22:23.920 They're all privileged.

00:22:24.720 Nine times out of ten, I guarantee you the parents are paying no attention to them.

00:22:28.240 They're really just ornaments, you know, like you'd see on a fancy car hood.

00:22:33.300 And so they need this.

00:22:34.840 They need to go out there and do something crazy to make themselves feel like they matter. 0.99

00:22:39.680 I mean, if we're really talking this through, it comes down to a basic parenting fucking fail, right? 0.95

00:22:44.620 Like, stay in touch with your kid, have family dinners, go to church, stay on top of his well-being, including and arguably especially when he goes away to college. 0.93

00:22:56.020 And by the way, the Tyler Robinson situation, if he goes away to college and winds up living with a trans furry who's allegedly famous for growing mold in plastic Tupperware containers throughout the apartment and hoarding to the place where he looks like he's living in a dumpster or an actual landfill, maybe get more involved in checking on his wellness. 0.83

00:23:21.520 I mean, truly, the well-being of society depends on it.

00:23:26.020 Yeah, it really does.

00:23:28.420 You need those foundations.

00:23:29.800 We all need them.

00:23:30.560 This is not, you know, not some nuclear, you know, chemistry level sort of discovery.

00:23:35.540 This is basic, you know, human nature.

00:23:38.380 You do need those authority figures.

00:23:39.980 And like as a parent, like I have – maybe this is just completely selfish.

00:23:44.720 I don't want to jinx myself.

00:23:45.880 But like, you know, I think there are times a lot of parents do these things and the world takes their kids and does God knows what with them.

00:23:53.600 You know, it's not always – even if you're trying your best, sometimes you lose your kids.

00:23:57.520 And the fact that so often we're turning them over to, you know, in some cases, literally the Chinese Communist Party with TikTok and these things, you should assume this is going to happen a lot more often.

00:24:10.300 You have to be more and more diligent about this.

00:24:13.440 And so often like, you know, you do see it's like from these like nicer backgrounds and kids that are spoiled and have, you know, done – have these amazing lives by any historical representation.

00:24:26.600 And I think too that part of this is like human beings kind of need struggle.

00:24:29.820 You know, we will often search it out even when it's kind of silly to do so.

00:24:35.300 And I think you see a lot of these kids at these colleges that have, you know, have what – all, you know, impressions are great lives, right?

00:24:45.040 Like everything they've ever needed, never struggled for food, never struggled for the wants and needs, live in nice houses and nice communities, not threatened by the horrible inner cities that left-wing, you know, mayors have created over the years.

00:24:58.040 They're not dealing with that.

00:24:59.280 That's not who they are.

00:25:00.560 Those aren't the people that are voting for this nonsense most of the time.

00:25:04.020 It's people who are outside of that world.

00:25:06.380 And, you know, I think in some ways we've smartly gone after and tried to solve a lot of the basic concerns of our lives.

00:25:14.980 You know, if you think about the George Floyd era for a second when the left is going into these town squares and they're tearing down these statues of, you know, Confederates and all of these things.

00:25:25.500 And they're acting so oppressed by them.

00:25:28.140 And now they're in a situation where what they believe they're oppressed by are statues.

00:25:32.960 But at one point in our history, those statues were real people and some of them were terrible people and some of them did terrible things.

00:25:39.520 And we used to have to deal with the actual dictators, not the statues of the dictators.

00:25:45.040 And the fact that we see that as our main struggle today in some ways speaks well of our society that we've been able to take away a lot of those threats.

00:25:53.100 Right.

00:25:53.460 But I do think that like especially people without, as you pointed out, Megan, you know, that connection to faith, the connection to real, something real and foundational, they search and they search blindly in this awful wilderness we've created for them.

00:26:10.480 And that is not a formula that leads to good things.

00:26:13.300 No, no, it's not. 0.52

00:26:15.580 And these, you know, rich families that think parenting is accomplished by lavishing their children with expensive gifts or trips or cars, whatever, are creating the next gen of losers. 0.99

00:26:34.040 Absolute losers. 1.00

00:26:35.300 Absolute losers. 1.00

00:26:36.880 I mean, and we're all going to have to deal with it. 0.98

00:26:38.820 I mean, it really does concern me.

00:26:41.600 And that brings me, of course, to Jimmy Kimmel and the absurd, absurd clip that's circulating now. 0.87

00:26:50.500 The other night we played and aired on this program, the soundbite of his wife, who apparently is just as crazy as he is, lamenting that she still has Trump supporting relatives. 0.59

00:27:05.340 And notwithstanding the fact that she begged them, begged them and gave them 10 reasons not to vote for Trump, they still voted for Trump.

00:27:11.640 And she feels like they voted against Jimmy.

00:27:14.560 Okay, something's wrong when your so-called comedian husband is in your mind on the ballot, but all right.

00:27:23.040 There was more to that interview.

00:27:24.860 I don't even know why they're doing this, but both of them are on what appears to be like a Zoom call with a bunch of people in the frame.

00:27:32.000 And listen to this.

00:27:33.000 Now, the subject of poor Jimmy's cancelate, oh, wait, I mean five nights off, five nights paid off where he got multi-millions.

00:27:44.560 Just pursuant to his contract.

00:27:47.120 But yeah, he's a free speech warrior.

00:27:49.400 What, what, how that went over, the trauma in their family when speaking with their daughter who is 11.

00:27:56.420 They also have a son who's eight.

00:27:57.740 Listen here.

00:27:59.580 And Jimmy let them know, he said, our show is, my show has been suspended.

00:28:04.940 And our daughter immediately burst into tears.

00:28:07.620 And she said, I'll sell my little boo-boos. 1.00

00:28:13.520 And we told her, yeah, you should.

00:28:15.360 No, we, we did not.

00:28:16.480 We told her, no, you don't need to do that.

00:28:18.200 You don't need to sell little boo-boos. 0.81

00:28:19.300 And then our son asked if the president had done this.

00:28:23.560 And we looked at each other and we didn't quite know how to answer that question.

00:28:27.600 I think I said yes.

00:28:28.620 We did.

00:28:29.200 We actually both said yes at the exact same time.

00:28:31.820 We said yes.

00:28:32.960 He did.

00:28:33.520 Okay, so you chose not to tell your children that the reason he got suspended is because

00:28:41.200 he mocked and wrongfully blamed a beloved conservative's death on conservatives.

00:28:50.060 I get, I can see why you didn't think that was appropriate to share with your 11-year-old,

00:28:54.060 I guess.

00:28:54.580 Much easier to just blame Donald Trump.

00:28:59.760 Zero personal responsibility there, Stu.

00:29:02.620 It's all about Trump, not what Jimmy said.

00:29:05.820 And then the cherry on top of the sundae, the referencing of the la boo-boos, these little 0.88

00:29:11.480 dolls that can be as cheap as $25 or can be $850 a pop.

00:29:18.540 And the little girl thinks they're so poor, she's going to have to sell hers off. 0.99

00:29:23.420 Sure.

00:29:24.080 Sure, Jan.

00:29:24.680 Yeah, I'm living in this incredible mansion somewhere in Hollywood and living the life

00:29:32.320 that everyone would aspire to financially.

00:29:35.740 And let me tell you something.

00:29:36.680 I'm sorry to interrupt you, but let me just say one thing quickly.

00:29:38.580 By 11, your kids know exactly where you are on the earning scale.

00:29:42.820 They may not know your salary, but they know if you have money or if you're struggling for

00:29:46.480 money. 0.99

00:29:46.960 That whole thing sounds like a fucking made-up lie to me. 0.99

00:29:49.340 Sorry, keep going. 0.99

00:29:49.940 It does seem like one of those stories that actually didn't happen.

00:29:53.640 And also, how would it happen?

00:29:56.900 Why on earth would your children assume the president of the United States was getting

00:30:01.760 you suspended?

00:30:02.680 How would they come up with that idea?

00:30:04.740 They come up with that idea because you're telling them how evil he is all the time,

00:30:08.220 right?

00:30:08.420 Like, probably every conversation around your house is focused around this one guy and the

00:30:13.460 things you claim he's doing to you, which of course, you know, largely are nonsense anyway.

00:30:19.080 I mean, you know, Trump does occasionally dive into some Hollywood issues.

00:30:23.900 He does enjoy to do that every once in a while.

00:30:26.420 But I mean, it's insane, right?

00:30:29.780 Like, these things don't just happen.

00:30:31.980 It's like when you see these parents who are like, gosh, my daughter goes to bed every night

00:30:35.880 and she's so concerned about global warming and how is she going to live? 0.99

00:30:39.920 Like, that doesn't come from the kid.

00:30:41.760 The kid doesn't come up with that on their own.

00:30:43.980 You know, no child actually goes to bed thinking about a 0.9 degrees Celsius temperature rise

00:30:49.100 over a globe in a century.

00:30:51.160 And there's no child who actually fears that.

00:30:53.860 That is given to the kid by the parent.

00:30:56.720 And, you know, like, as well as all those labubus, this is something that the parents

00:31:01.440 are handing down and giving to these kids and giving them a perception of how the world

00:31:06.460 works, which is they are somehow this in the mansion with the labubus, somehow the victim

00:31:12.520 of this society.

00:31:14.540 It's insane when you really think about it.

00:31:17.320 Because we all have an $850 doll for our child.

00:31:21.840 There's zero chance that they went for the $25 labubu.

00:31:24.240 And by the way, yet another tell that she's lying is the part where she says, I don't

00:31:30.960 even remember what we said in response.

00:31:33.360 And Jimmy's like, we said yes.

00:31:34.840 And she's like, we said yes.

00:31:36.340 Right?

00:31:36.540 Not a hesitation.

00:31:37.140 At the same time.

00:31:38.100 She knew, like, she tried to, it's like, she wasn't going to say that they didn't take

00:31:42.380 personal responsibility.

00:31:43.480 Because, like, at the last second she had the light bulb go off that this would not make

00:31:48.200 them look good. 0.98

00:31:49.400 Jimmy was too dumb to realize this was not going to make them look good. 0.99

00:31:52.320 Let's watch it again. 0.99

00:31:53.040 Now with our analysis baked in, let's watch it one more time.

00:31:56.740 Stop 14.

00:32:00.060 And Jimmy let them know.

00:32:02.080 He said, our show is, my show has been suspended.

00:32:05.420 And our daughter immediately burst into tears.

00:32:08.540 And she said, I'll sell my labubus.

00:32:12.120 And we told her, yeah, you should.

00:32:15.780 No, we did not.

00:32:16.960 We told her, no, you don't need to do that.

00:32:18.700 You don't need to sell the labubus.

00:32:20.020 And then our son asked if the president had done this.

00:32:24.080 And we looked at each other and we didn't quite know how to answer that question.

00:32:28.120 I think I said yes.

00:32:29.120 We did.

00:32:29.700 We actually both said yes at the exact same time.

00:32:32.380 Oh, you remember now.

00:32:33.720 We did.

00:32:34.180 Now, oh.

00:32:35.480 Right?

00:32:36.100 I think I said yes.

00:32:37.460 Yes, you did.

00:32:37.900 We both said yes.

00:32:39.020 We both did. 0.99

00:32:39.940 Like, she's a liar. 0.99

00:32:41.340 That's my opinion. 0.93

00:32:42.420 And by the way, we didn't even talk about the hosts, the other hosts on this podcast,

00:32:46.000 which I guess is called We Can Do Hard Things.

00:32:49.120 Their horror that she might have to sell her labubus.

00:32:52.720 They're all like, like literally everyone, one girl touches her head with both hands 0.97

00:32:57.080 like, like the labubus.

00:33:00.660 No, the horror that poor Kimmels have had to go through still.

00:33:05.660 Oh, I think you found my favorite part of the clip, which is the host, their hands gestures

00:33:11.840 throughout it.

00:33:12.320 Like the entire time you're telling the story, one has her hand over her heart like, oh my

00:33:16.920 gosh.

00:33:17.540 And then it's the hand to the face.

00:33:19.400 And they're like, I can't believe what a, what an adorable moment, but what a sad moment.

00:33:24.320 Now, none of these people seem to be, they wouldn't have the same sadness from the Jimmy

00:33:30.620 Kimmel labubu child, possibly losing their labubus as they would to that first clip you

00:33:36.740 showed from the crib.

00:33:38.000 Like that's the, that's the clip that should make you feel that way.

00:33:41.740 Not a millionaire losing their $850 doll.

00:33:45.240 That shouldn't make you feel that way.

00:33:47.640 And by the way, that's what Jimmy was joking about.

00:33:51.020 That's really what he was joking about.

00:33:52.820 He was making light of what happened to Charlie by being like, ha ha, Magus, you know, scrambling

00:33:57.740 to make it seem like it wasn't their, their own.

00:34:00.280 That includes the whole thing.

00:34:01.980 And he diminished the whole tragedy with that flippant, erroneous, defamatory comment.

00:34:09.800 We all know the guy confessed to his family that it was Tyler Robinson.

00:34:17.780 Okay.

00:34:18.220 That's who killed Charlie Kirk.

00:34:19.900 It wasn't one of Magus own.

00:34:22.180 The guy was a leftist.

00:34:24.160 According to his own parents, that was Stan and not, and not to mention what he wrote

00:34:29.220 on the bullets and the way he'd been living his life and all that stuff.

00:34:31.620 He won't take personal responsibility for misstating the facts, which was obviously intentional.

00:34:38.200 And now wants us to feel sorry for him that there's no other reason for her to tell that

00:34:43.560 story, Stu.

00:34:45.540 No, it's, it's, of course, there's trying to get sympathy for themselves, even though,

00:34:49.980 again, and like what he said was obviously untrue and something that is believed widely

00:34:54.220 by the left to this day.

00:34:55.860 They still believe that this was a MAGA person.

00:35:00.320 We have, you know, it's not just Jimmy Kimmel who said it.

00:35:02.480 It was widely spread around left-wing media. 0.98

00:35:04.700 We have America's dumbest congressman, Eric Swalwell said something like that. 0.98

00:35:09.820 We have tons of people who- 1.00

00:35:11.540 Tight race, but I agree. 1.00

00:35:13.040 Yeah, I think, I think he, I look, there's definitely a tight race there.

00:35:16.460 Photo finish. 1.00

00:35:16.680 There's a bunch, but I would say, I think he's America's dumbest congressman. 0.97

00:35:22.100 But, you know, this was a widespread thing. 0.98

00:35:24.700 This is something that is still believe when you look at polls, they don't, I mean, who would

00:35:29.060 want to blame your own side for something so terrible, but internalize that.

00:35:33.260 It is your own side.

00:35:35.140 It was your own side that did this. 0.99

00:35:37.180 And they did it because of the same reasons you're standing out there beating the crap

00:35:40.920 out of a guy trying to sell t-shirts.

00:35:42.740 It's the same, it's the same instinct. 0.97

00:35:45.780 And that anger and, and just brutality toward your fellow human being is disgusting.

00:35:51.920 And especially when it's placed in this bizarre context where they're the good guys, like,

00:35:57.220 oh gosh, they're, they're so upset at Chuck Schumer today because he didn't have a healthcare

00:36:01.520 subsidies because they're so concerned about people's health.

00:36:03.980 Are you?

00:36:05.520 It certainly doesn't feel that way when I watch you mocking someone's death.

00:36:10.600 It's really horrific.

00:36:12.080 I don't really know how to reach out to these people at all.

00:36:16.400 You know, I do want to ask you something.

00:36:18.700 It's that kind of interesting that I saw online.

00:36:20.620 I think it might've been Chris Ruffo.

00:36:22.080 I can't remember, but it was a conservative saying just given everything that's happened

00:36:26.220 since Charlie died, it's more evident to him than ever that Charlie was the glue holding

00:36:31.820 the conservative movement together and that it's become so, you know, I don't know, fractious

00:36:38.140 and acrimonious in the last two months because of Charlie not being there to hold it together.

00:36:45.420 I don't agree with that.

00:36:47.260 Actually, I don't think Charlie was the glue that held the movement together.

00:36:50.560 I think he was great at forming alliances and, you know, of course the turning point

00:36:56.620 events were events that we all, most of us got invited to and went to no matter where

00:37:02.460 we stood on various issues, including Israel.

00:37:05.340 But I don't think what's come out, you know, since he died and the, you know, the fighting,

00:37:10.420 infighting, especially around the issue of Israel was something Charlie could have prevented.

00:37:15.760 You know, the thing with Israel has been coming to a boil for a while now because of the war.

00:37:21.940 And I just think like, it's actually kind of, I don't know, something about the comment bothered

00:37:27.180 me because it's putting too much on Charlie.

00:37:28.900 First of all, he was amazing and he was extremely talented, but he was not some sort of weird

00:37:34.640 godfather, Christ-like man who was able to achieve the impossible, which is keep people

00:37:41.300 fighting, from fighting about Israel and like a very controversial war.

00:37:46.840 How do you see it?

00:37:49.760 It's a great question.

00:37:51.280 I mean, you know, when you're talking about Israel, I mean, yes, the war is certainly part

00:37:55.920 of that, but these are ancient hatreds, right?

00:37:58.660 These things go back.

00:37:59.680 Many of the theories being tossed around these days have been around for a very long time,

00:38:03.140 long before, you know, the Gaza war.

00:38:06.080 These are things that have been bubbling around, you know, the country and the world.

00:38:10.560 Unfortunately, for a very long time, I think that, you know, I agree with you.

00:38:16.980 Charlie was an incredible guy and I think he would even be a bit uncomfortable with getting

00:38:24.580 that much credit.

00:38:26.360 I mean, I think he was a guy who really tried hard to maintain alliances and be the type of

00:38:32.180 person who was connecting people rather than breaking others apart.

00:38:38.380 You know, we have this battle, I think, going on on the right right now between coalition

00:38:46.700 builders and line holders and, you know, which one should you be?

00:38:50.740 Which one should you be?

00:38:52.100 And I think it's interesting to think about that conceptually for all of us because I have

00:38:56.960 thought of that.

00:38:57.580 I've watched a lot of this go along on the right.

00:38:59.520 And as I've thought about it a lot, I think the answer to a healthy movement is you need

00:39:05.340 both.

00:39:06.420 You need people like, I mean, Charlie was really, really good at reaching across to people

00:39:11.000 who were even on the fringes of conservatism and trying to bring them in all the time,

00:39:14.700 trying to hug them, trying to say, hey, here's where we agree.

00:39:17.980 Come talk to us about these parts that you don't agree on, but here's where we agree.

00:39:21.420 And he was a great coalition builder, but even inside of himself was also a line holder on

00:39:27.400 certain things.

00:39:28.440 And you look at what he, you know, how he dealt with, you know, the Nick Fuenteses of

00:39:32.160 the world.

00:39:33.120 He was not, he was angry at some of them when they would come and ask questions.

00:39:37.560 He would be loud and forceful against them.

00:39:41.220 And so I think we all have to kind of find where we are on that spectrum.

00:39:45.120 We do need, we can't just say every time somebody disagrees with us, we toss them from the

00:39:49.540 movement.

00:39:49.800 I mean, I, you know, I, I support, uh, Israel and I support what they did largely in, in,

00:39:54.800 in the war there, especially after October 7th.

00:39:57.540 But like, I know a lot of people who are much more skeptical and concerned about what they

00:40:01.340 did there.

00:40:01.800 They're not terrible people.

00:40:03.040 They're good people.

00:40:03.880 And they're really trying to, uh, find, you know, what the right answer is for something

00:40:08.700 like that.

00:40:09.100 There are people who aren't trying to find the right answer.

00:40:11.640 There are people who just disagree with everything that a Jew does. 0.68

00:40:15.180 That is a real thing in our world.

00:40:16.940 We've all documented it throughout history and it still exists today.

00:40:20.660 It exists across the spectrum.

00:40:21.900 And I don't want any part of it, but like criticism of Israel's government is of course

00:40:27.560 on the table and totally okay.

00:40:29.440 We don't, we shouldn't, you know, hold a line to keep those people out of your movement.

00:40:34.020 You have to be able to have those conversations and, and have deep conversations about that

00:40:38.420 because these are complicated issues.

00:40:40.260 When you move on to just trying to toss everybody that disagrees, that's bad.

00:40:44.280 It's also though, I think important to look at what your movement is.

00:40:49.380 You know, it, it, is it something that is accepting people for, for, you know, their beliefs and their

00:40:54.160 faith and, and, and, and all of that, or is it something that's just going to just take

00:40:57.980 out groups and blame like the left does come up with a group that's responsible for everything

00:41:02.800 and just point fingers and say that that group is evil.

00:41:06.220 Usually it's us and their particular arrangement.

00:41:09.160 I don't want to do that either.

00:41:10.180 I mean, again, I, I bring it back to what I, the point I made before, which is collectivism.

00:41:13.720 You know, racism is collectivism.

00:41:15.680 Anti-Semitism is collectivism.

00:41:17.200 You're putting these people into groups and thinking of them as groups.

00:41:19.900 And sometimes I think, you know, conservative and liberal, that stuff gets kind of messy.

00:41:23.860 Sometimes I think about it as just collectivists and individualists.

00:41:28.020 And if you think of people as individuals, you're much more likely to come to normal human

00:41:32.620 interactions with them.

00:41:34.060 And the left has completely lost that.

00:41:36.860 Yeah, no, that was, that was ironically the point that Tucker was trying to make to Nick

00:41:41.940 Fuentes in their, you know, much reviewed interview about how wrong collectivism is.

00:41:48.420 And why would you be saying that to a guy known first and foremost as an anti-Semite?

00:41:53.860 Unless you were against what he was doing.

00:41:56.100 I mean, that's what he was trying to say to him.

00:41:58.780 And I know people think, oh, well, Tucker doesn't like Jews or Tucker, he's an anti-Semite.

00:42:03.420 I mean, I've listened to his show.

00:42:04.640 I do listen to Tucker's show.

00:42:06.140 I just don't hear that.

00:42:07.500 I hear somebody who's not a fan of Israel or Netanyahu at all and believes some of the

00:42:12.980 things that, you know, the Palestinian protesters believe about Israel, which is fine.

00:42:17.180 I mean, who would argue that Israel has conducted a perfect war and hasn't been guilty of a disturbing 1.00

00:42:24.300 number of civilian deaths, even though they take extraordinary measures versus most other

00:42:29.020 world fighters to prevent them?

00:42:30.800 That doesn't, they're not perfect.

00:42:32.160 And there have been.

00:42:32.820 And there's, of course, plenty of room to criticize them.

00:42:35.420 They just seem to have an incredibly thin skin.

00:42:38.740 They're most ardent supporters who told us for two years we could criticize them if we wanted

00:42:42.540 to.

00:42:43.020 Then when some of us started to, the rules changed.

00:42:46.820 But that's what he was trying to say to Nick Fuentes, that collectivism is bad and it's

00:42:52.100 anti-Christian and it's evil.

00:42:55.840 And that's, I think, an incredibly important point.

00:42:58.720 You know, I think like there's this, all of this is happening and there is a value to talking

00:43:05.860 this stuff out and finding where your lines are and what you're going to accept and what

00:43:11.600 you're not, and that's something that human beings need to do and the conservative movement

00:43:14.500 needs to do generally.

00:43:15.700 You see the motivation though for, I think, a lot of the talking, a lot of the conversation

00:43:21.580 around this is not necessarily coming from people, I think, that have the best interest

00:43:26.580 of the conservative movement at heart.

00:43:29.280 And, you know, sometimes I think about it in the way of, I think about it as the, I get

00:43:35.320 asked about these questions sometimes and I think about it as the same face that Sidney

00:43:38.980 Sweeney made when she's being asked about how she wants to comment on, you know, her

00:43:45.680 gene commercial.

00:43:46.720 And it's just like this, so many of the people are coming at this with no interest in making

00:43:53.560 the conservative movement better or having it thrive or having people have more individual

00:43:57.700 rights.

00:43:58.200 It's coming from this idea of how do we destroy that movement?

00:44:02.780 How do we take the fractures that of course exist in every movement and separate them and

00:44:08.000 make everything worse?

00:44:09.740 And that does, I don't want to make that sound like I want to accept every lunatic that comes

00:44:14.300 on and says they're to the right.

00:44:15.480 I keep hearing this argument of like, oh gosh, you're going to, no enemies to the right.

00:44:18.400 Well, the people that were in that conversation aren't to my right.

00:44:21.560 I don't know who's right there too.

00:44:23.400 I don't know what national socialist is to my right.

00:44:26.200 None of them.

00:44:26.840 It's got nothing.

00:44:27.340 Those ideas have literally nothing to do with what I believe.

00:44:30.940 Those are, the Nazi party wanted to control every single aspect of the German citizen's

00:44:38.740 life.

00:44:39.140 That is nothing to do with my vision of what I want out of government.

00:44:43.620 But you have to understand the motivation of what the left wants out of this.

00:44:47.560 And what they want out of this is to destroy everything that Charlie was trying to do.

00:44:52.240 They want to destroy everything that the president and other conservatives are trying to do.

00:44:58.700 They want the worst for us.

00:45:01.260 And so giving into, you know, this idea that we have to embrace their vision of, of whatever,

00:45:08.500 you know, intramural disputes we wind up having on the right, I think isn't healthy for the

00:45:13.740 future of the movement.

00:45:14.980 I, I talk to people all the time.

00:45:16.700 I disagree with, there's a lot of them.

00:45:17.780 I work here at the blaze.

00:45:18.600 There's a lot of all sorts of views at the blaze that I don't agree with.

00:45:21.420 I've been able to have conversations with everybody here.

00:45:23.840 I disagree with them on a lot of things.

00:45:25.560 Sometimes they disagree with me on a lot of things.

00:45:27.840 I think that's healthy.

00:45:29.460 I think that's a, a thing that we should want on, on the right.

00:45:34.180 I just feel like when you look at the motivations of the outsiders trying to exploit that, we

00:45:39.560 should be really sensitive to watch out for what their motivations are.

00:45:43.100 Mm-hmm.

00:45:44.340 I have more to say on this Charlie front, but I'll pick it up on, on the backside of the

00:45:48.140 break because I want to show you something that I've never shown anybody before, a piece

00:45:52.020 of tape that I have.

00:45:54.100 And the Chris Ruffo comment got me thinking about it, but standby.

00:45:58.120 You mentioned Sidney Sweeney.

00:45:59.560 So I do want to mention this in the, in the couple minutes we have here.

00:46:02.240 She is under attack right now, a new attack, because she's starring in a new movie.

00:46:09.240 Um, it's about a boxer and it's about this boxer, um, named Christy Martin, who was extremely

00:46:19.260 successful and I guess gay, more at least turned gay or was lesbian at some point.

00:46:26.340 I don't, I don't know the story, but Sidney Sweeney is playing her in a movie and it opened

00:46:31.100 this past weekend and apparently it did not do well at all.

00:46:34.080 And now she's getting attacked by this actress named Ruby Rose, who stars in Orange is the 0.94

00:46:39.440 New Black, who took to Threads, that's of course the left wing X, kind of like blue sky, um, 0.96

00:46:46.700 on Monday evening to attack Sidney Sweeney, Sweeney for playing esteemed boxer and domestic

00:46:53.300 abuse survivor, Christy Martin.

00:46:54.740 Um, again, they, they point out in this article that this is for on the Daily Mail, that the

00:46:59.760 Daily Mail, that there was a lackluster reception, including one of the lowest ever domestic openings

00:47:03.980 for a wide release.

00:47:05.040 It has set tongues wagging, leading to Ruby Rose's explosive rant toward Republicans, Sidney. 1.00

00:47:12.860 And we do believe she's a Republican.

00:47:15.160 Here's what she says.

00:47:16.560 She says the, um, the original Christy Martin script was incredible, life-changing.

00:47:21.560 I was attached to play Cherry, who I think, I think that's another name for Christy Martin,

00:47:27.340 but in any event, um, everyone had experience with the core material.

00:47:31.780 Most of us were actually gay.

00:47:34.080 It's part of why I stayed in acting.

00:47:36.340 Losing roles happens all the time.

00:47:38.300 She's trying to act like she's above, she's not bitter against Sidney for taking the role,

00:47:41.600 but here, here it comes.

00:47:42.940 For her PR to talk about it flopping and saying Sidney Sweeney did it for the people, none of the

00:47:49.840 people want to see someone who hates them, meaning gays, parading around, pretending to be us. 0.99

00:47:56.480 You're a cretin and you ruined the film, period. 1.00

00:48:00.200 Christy deserved better. 0.99

00:48:02.900 So this, I believe, is the obvious clear price that Sidney Sweeney has had to pay for,

00:48:11.640 and they said it, being a registered Republican.

00:48:14.300 That's it.

00:48:15.300 That's her sin. 1.00

00:48:16.660 It's not the ad, the jeans ad.

00:48:18.760 It's not the answer to that reporter last week.

00:48:20.800 It is the fact that they now know she's a Republican, that she has to be smeared as a failure

00:48:25.840 and totally behind the, the, the disappointing open of this film. 0.97

00:48:29.180 And also, by the way, for kicks, uh, quote, hates gays for which there is zero evidence. 0.97

00:48:35.760 I'm sure that's based in this woman's demented head on the, the fact that she's a registered 1.00

00:48:42.000 Republican. 0.93

00:48:42.380 Again, like this is such a low below the belt hit still.

00:48:46.760 Yeah.

00:48:47.300 It's, it's also incredibly unlikely that she, why would she take the movie, uh, of Christy

00:48:54.560 Martin if she hated gays? 0.58

00:48:56.360 It makes no sense.

00:48:57.300 I mean, when you look at the plot of the movie, here's a woman who, uh, was able to go from,

00:49:02.640 you know, nothing to a very successful career, uh, throughout while dealing with all sorts

00:49:07.880 of terrible abuse.

00:49:08.700 Like this is a left wing type of plot line.

00:49:11.740 You'd think normally they would want, uh, to talk about and promote, right?

00:49:15.480 Like this is a, you know, a Hollywood story.

00:49:17.720 Uh, it's very typical of, of, of, of their approach.

00:49:20.320 And she's been promoting the film alongside Christy Martin.

00:49:22.500 Like they've been making all these appearances together.

00:49:25.000 So clearly Christy does not think Sidney Sweeney hates gays.

00:49:28.420 Yeah. 0.99

00:49:30.220 It's so ridiculous. 0.92

00:49:31.480 Like we know nothing about, we know literally nothing about Sidney Sweeney's views. 0.88

00:49:35.480 The fact that she's Republican, I mean, a Hollywood Republican, oftentimes it's nothing

00:49:39.300 that I would consider a conservative.

00:49:41.580 I mean, you know, this is, you know, she might be a conservative.

00:49:44.960 I have no idea.

00:49:45.800 She really hasn't said anything about it, which is what I loved about her interview,

00:49:49.040 right?

00:49:49.180 Like it wasn't a, I look, I love when people agree with me, but you know, that's not what

00:49:53.720 she was doing.

00:49:54.780 She's just saying like, look, I'll talk about this on my own timeline.

00:49:57.600 Like, you're not going to goad me into this.

00:49:59.360 That's not what's going to happen.

00:50:00.420 And you look at her career.

00:50:01.800 First of all, she's actually really good.

00:50:03.620 She's a good actor, actress, but you think about euphoria. 0.95

00:50:07.160 She was in the freaking handmaid's tale.

00:50:09.660 Like the only literary reference left-wing people know she was in that show as well. 1.00

00:50:15.080 She's not made some right-wing career.

00:50:17.240 She's tried to do all these things.

00:50:18.760 And I think she's been good in them.

00:50:20.060 And they're just beating her up because she has an R near her name. 1.00

00:50:22.900 It's, it's complete insanity.

00:50:24.040 Yeah, there were reports that she was, that she is a registered Republican, but she hasn't

00:50:29.960 done anything to show that other than she was, she did not back down after she did the

00:50:35.020 jeans ad to the left-wing shaming, which everyone should take a lesson. 0.61

00:50:39.340 So shame on this actor for hurling the bigot charge at her.

00:50:44.280 Totally baseless.

00:50:45.040 More with Stu right after this.

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00:51:49.760 On tour across America.

00:51:51.700 I was like, we have to go.

00:51:53.040 And then after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go.

00:51:55.900 The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down.

00:52:02.420 Stand firmly.

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00:52:19.740 Back with me now, Stu Bergeer, host of Stu Does America.

00:52:24.000 Okay, so on the subject of Charlie, I think people who didn't know him may be misunderstanding Charlie.

00:52:32.240 Like Charlie, he was important.

00:52:36.880 He was hugely important to the conservative movement, but he didn't do it by discouraging debate or trying to tell one faction they couldn't or shouldn't say something or not saber rattling on something that was like a sacred cow of the administrations.

00:52:51.700 He didn't always do it, but he wanted those discussions to happen.

00:52:57.940 I don't think Charlie would be upset about the debate that's generally happening between, say, Tucker and Ben Shapiro right now in Israel.

00:53:05.960 He would not like how nasty it's getting.

00:53:08.440 You know, he definitely would not support calls to have Tucker, you know, people to stop watching Tucker.

00:53:13.620 Ben's not asking for him to be deplatformed, but clearly he wants him cut out of polite conservative movement circles.

00:53:21.700 He would not be in favor of that.

00:53:23.840 He knew what Tucker was saying, including about Israel, and continued to invite him to turning point events.

00:53:29.980 And so I just wanted to tell this story because I think people are misunderstanding.

00:53:34.500 Like Charlie was all for really robust discussions of very tough issues, including Israel and beyond.

00:53:42.620 It's just he wouldn't necessarily lead them because he did have donors and he also was very close with the administration.

00:53:49.120 And so I just wanted to say two things.

00:53:50.480 Number one, there was a turning point event last July and many of us were there and we all saw Charlie.

00:53:58.200 And that was an appearance at which I spent all my time talking about Epstein.

00:54:03.380 It was right after the whole debacle with Pam Bondi promising she's got the file on her desk and she's going to reveal it.

00:54:09.700 And then releasing that two page memo saying, oh, there's nothing.

00:54:12.660 There's absolutely nothing to talk about.

00:54:13.980 I don't know what you're referring to with those Fox News hits.

00:54:16.440 But, you know, they memory hold them and the FBI got swooped up into it and it was very controversial.

00:54:23.040 And that is what my appearance was not a speech.

00:54:25.760 It was a Q&A.

00:54:26.400 And that is what Charlie wanted to talk about.

00:54:30.060 And backstage, he made very clear to me that he wanted to focus in on Pam Bondi and encouraged me to really go for her.

00:54:39.740 Now, I didn't need Charlie's direction because I'd been going for her on my show.

00:54:43.380 So it's not like this is orchestrated.

00:54:44.860 He had been listening to my show and he was basically like, please say all of that right here.

00:54:50.220 And that's fine.

00:54:50.920 I'm like, you're leading the Q&A.

00:54:52.380 Let's do this, which is what happened.

00:54:55.000 So Charlie was not at all averse to seeing Pam Bondi take a hit.

00:55:00.720 He was just too polite to be the one personally to do it himself.

00:55:05.800 But he knew that the administration wasn't going to like that.

00:55:08.320 And he was not shy about that.

00:55:09.540 He thought that was an important issue.

00:55:11.260 And who was really hot on that issue in particular?

00:55:13.980 Well, Republicans, yes.

00:55:15.640 And young Republicans, too, who smelled a rat and just felt like, are we do we have the same thing with this administration as we've had with other administrations, red or blue, where, you know, important people get protected and only people with no connections are left to fry.

00:55:30.300 So anyway, that was one example.

00:55:32.240 And the second example also relates partially to Epstein and partially to Israel and involves Tucker.

00:55:39.320 So two weeks after Charlie died, Tucker had me on a live broadcast he did of his own show.

00:55:47.600 It was on a Wednesday night, and it was about free speech.

00:55:52.560 It was about a lot of things and definitely touched on Charlie, too.

00:55:55.900 And he and I had a long talk that night.

00:55:57.680 It was actually a great show.

00:55:58.820 Here is Tucker describing his discussion behind the scenes with Charlie.

00:56:07.940 Now, before I play this, Tucker would come under withering criticism for what he said at the Turning Point event.

00:56:13.760 He did criticize Israel.

00:56:16.260 He also suggested he thought that Epstein was a Mossad spy, something I speculated could be true in my own remarks, too.

00:56:23.080 I mean, I had no idea, and I made that clear, but to me at the time, it made sense.

00:56:27.800 We've since had many discussions about whether it does make sense.

00:56:30.820 Alan Dershowitz, who represented Epstein, has said Epstein denied that to him directly, and Alan would have used that if he could have to get him off.

00:56:38.840 Ehud Barak has said it wasn't true, and he used to run the IDF in addition to Israel, but he was also extremely close with Epstein.

00:56:44.920 So take it for what it's worth.

00:56:46.220 Okay, Tucker got criticized by the pro-Israel crowd for his remarks at the Turning Point event.

00:56:55.040 Charlie also had threats from donors thereafter, saying, if you don't get rid of Tucker Carlson, like, we're done.

00:57:02.220 And he had received some threats about that even before Tucker's appearance, and he said, well, I'm bringing him anyway.

00:57:07.820 And that's all been documented.

00:57:09.220 This is kind of water under the bridge, but I'm showing it to you for a different purpose.

00:57:12.520 Tucker, on that broadcast, said the following about his backstage conversations with Charlie before he went out there.

00:57:20.400 Before that speech that I gave in July, we had a conversation about this backstage right before I went on, and I was fulminating and getting all red in the face like I often do to my shame.

00:57:36.460 And I was mad thinking about this and thinking about the effort by the neocons in the United States to draw us in to another forever war with Iran.

00:57:46.940 Not a defense of Iran, of course.

00:57:48.440 It's merely an acknowledgment that we've done this before.

00:57:50.860 This happened in Iraq, which we entered into at the behest of those same foreign policy strategists, and it didn't work.

00:58:01.500 And so I was going on at some length backstage with Charlie, and I said, you know, probably not going to talk about that.

00:58:09.460 I'm not going to torture you.

00:58:10.640 I know your donors hate this when I say that.

00:58:13.260 And also Epstein was in the news, and it was clear to me that, you know, Epstein's probably not like a Mossad agent or something.

00:58:20.920 But Epstein clearly had contact with Israeli intelligence and American intelligence and French intelligence.

00:58:26.360 But the only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence.

00:58:28.960 But it seemed true to me, and I had done some work on that.

00:58:32.660 I knew a bunch of people pretty close to that story.

00:58:34.920 So I thought that, and I said that to Charlie.

00:58:37.640 And I said, but I'm not going to say that because I don't want to make your donors mad.

00:58:40.320 I know.

00:58:40.660 It's just going to be like an endless flurry of texts telling you to stop or you're going to lose a bunch of funding.

00:58:47.880 And he looked at me.

00:58:49.100 I'll never forget it.

00:58:50.940 And said, go all the way.

00:58:52.680 Do it.

00:58:53.240 Go all the way.

00:58:53.780 I said, man, you know, a lot of things I can talk about.

00:58:56.400 I don't need to talk about that.

00:58:57.720 And he said, do it.

00:58:59.700 So I did it.

00:59:02.380 And here's the thing, Stu.

00:59:04.560 I was recently going through some old pictures to find one of me and Charlie that I knew we took at that event.

00:59:11.600 And not only did I find pictures of me and Charlie, but I found a video of me, Tucker, and Charlie speaking backstage right before Tucker went out.

00:59:28.120 Tucker and I were talking.

00:59:29.220 Charlie came over and interrupted for just a second.

00:59:33.600 And you can hear him on this tape, which I've listened to many times.

00:59:36.700 It's very clear on my phone, less clear here probably as we play it.

00:59:39.200 But he says to Tucker, go, Max.

00:59:42.980 He interrupts the conversation because he has to say to Tucker something.

00:59:46.520 And what was so important to him to tell Tucker was go, go, Max.

00:59:51.260 Here it is.

00:59:51.940 It's quick.

01:00:01.620 It just happens to be on tape.

01:00:03.680 And it backs up what Tucker said.

01:00:06.680 And so I just think we need to be realistic.

01:00:10.760 Charlie understood what was happening to the conservative movement over Israel.

01:00:15.940 He probably understood it better than any of us because he absolutely loved Israel.

01:00:19.420 And yet he represented and was of young people.

01:00:25.000 He was young.

01:00:25.980 That was his constituency.

01:00:27.500 That's where he spent all of his time.

01:00:29.420 And he knew that even on the right side of the aisle, they had turned and were turning on Israel.

01:00:35.980 And knowing all of that, he told Tucker to go out there and do all the things Tucker did.

01:00:41.140 Go, Max, he said.

01:00:43.740 Now, why did he do that?

01:00:44.740 Because he knew there was a faction within the conservative movement that needed a voice.

01:00:50.620 They needed somebody to put their thoughts and their complaints and their objections into words in a public setting and not just cede the whole argument to the other side, which has been dominating conservative thought and media forever.

01:01:06.020 You know, the Mark Levins of the world.

01:01:07.300 And so it's one of the many reasons why I really object to this attempt to otherize, snuff out the voice of Tucker Carlson.

01:01:18.680 Charlie knew exactly where Tucker stood on these issues and wanted him, and I quote, to go, Max.

01:01:25.640 The answer to what is happening right now on the conservative half of the aisle is not to silence Tucker, to diminish him to the point where he doesn't have followers.

01:01:37.920 Not that that's possible, you lunatics, or to try to delegitimize Tucker.

01:01:44.500 If anything, Tucker is a remaining voice for Charlie, whose views were changing himself.

01:01:52.520 So I have nothing against Ben saying all the things he feels or more neo-conny people feeling that or pro-Israel people saying all. 0.74

01:02:01.720 I think they should say that, and I understand perfectly where they're coming from.

01:02:05.060 But there is another reasoned, passionate point of view, and Tucker represents that.

01:02:11.580 And that's what he's been doing on his show.

01:02:13.400 It rubbed some people the wrong way, but it didn't rub Charlie the wrong way.

01:02:17.140 In fact, he wanted more of it.

01:02:20.080 Your thoughts on it?

01:02:21.000 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot there.

01:02:24.580 I think, you know, we don't have to speculate as to what Charlie believed about having Tucker's voice in the conversation, right?

01:02:33.600 He was very clear about that in text messages late in his life that have come to light.

01:02:39.080 I mean, he was upset that people didn't want him to have Tucker at turning point events.

01:02:44.660 And knowing, knowing that he would really go for it, that it wasn't going to be milquetoast Tucker.

01:02:53.040 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:54.620 Yes.

01:02:55.100 And also, like we know, even videos of Charlie late in life talking very positively about Israel as well, being very offended by those who were infected by sort of an anti-Semitism woke virus that we know he separated from what Tucker believed.

01:03:13.020 Because he wouldn't have wanted Tucker at those events if he thought he was that person.

01:03:18.080 And I think like, you know, there's a lot, we've thrown around a lot of names here and, you know, a lot of them I really like, you know, frankly, you know, certainly probably agree with most of them on most of these things that they talk about with some exceptions.

01:03:30.060 But like, I think maybe the biggest issue here is, is tonally how we talk about this, because I see this stuff on my feet all the time.

01:03:40.100 I follow most of the people we talked about and a lot more that are involved in this conversation.

01:03:44.500 And I wonder about the effectiveness of everybody just killing each other.

01:03:49.840 Like, you know, everybody hammering each other constantly.

01:03:53.840 Yes, I know.

01:03:54.760 I apparently in the world with Democratic donors, I have to make that very clear.

01:03:59.000 I'm talking rhetorically here.

01:04:00.800 Yeah.

01:04:02.120 You, everybody hammering each other all the time with their views.

01:04:05.960 And like, I understand these are important and they're passionate topics.

01:04:08.760 But one of the things I thought Charlie really brought to the table in this world was the ability to have these conversations respectfully, even when that bridge, he had to bridge large gaps.

01:04:19.760 He, I mean, he really was very good at that specific thing, among other things.

01:04:24.740 But that conversation that he was able to bring a lot of different people who thought of themselves as conservatives into a very large, you know, tent, if you will, to have those conversations respectfully, but passionately.

01:04:37.980 You know, you know, and I know Tucker recently, you know, kind of apologized for the way he framed his comments on Christian Zionists.

01:04:47.260 He said he didn't mean it, which by the way, I said, like, I said that, I mean, like I was interviewed by the Daily Mail right after I said, I guarantee you, he did not mean that he hates Christian Zionists because I'm one.

01:04:57.120 And I know he adores me.

01:04:58.660 Like, we're very good friends.

01:04:59.540 He did.

01:04:59.840 And he said to Dave Smith, I didn't mean that. 0.99

01:05:02.480 That was bullshit. 0.99

01:05:03.200 I just had like these neocons in my head, like, whatever. 1.00

01:05:05.940 I can't remember who he named, but he's like, that's what I was thinking about.

01:05:07.980 Maybe Ted Cruz, he might have mentioned.

01:05:10.120 Yeah.

01:05:10.640 And I think, you know, and you could tell, like, there's a tonal difference of the way he talked to Ted Cruz and the way he talked to some, you know, some of the other people that I, you know.

01:05:18.040 But Ted Cruz in Ferdy was an anti-Semite within the first four minutes of the interview.

01:05:21.000 So if you watch that interview, you can see Tucker kind of turn, like, okay.

01:05:24.500 They were at odds.

01:05:25.420 Yeah.

01:05:25.700 Yeah, they don't like each other.

01:05:26.660 They were.

01:05:27.300 And like, it's okay to have those conversations, too. 0.95

01:05:30.280 It's not like he can never be mean or never be sarcastic or never be a wise ass.

01:05:33.900 I do it all the time.

01:05:35.240 I'm totally guilty of breaking my own rules on this at times.

01:05:38.180 But I do think that, like, I know people on both sides of, like Israel, for example.

01:05:45.500 I talk to them all the time and, you know, I don't agree with some of them.

01:05:49.740 I agree with some of them.

01:05:50.560 But you're able to have normal human conversations.

01:05:53.040 This goes back to what we saw, you highlighted earlier with Jimmy Kimmel and his wife.

01:05:57.500 Like, if you have a view that everybody who disagrees with you on a topic is just basically subhuman, this is how these problems grow, not contract.

01:06:09.200 And, you know, a lot of people I love who are super passionate on both of these sides go at each other in my feed.

01:06:14.660 I'm following both of them.

01:06:16.460 I like both of them.

01:06:17.500 And they're just hammering each other constantly.

01:06:19.920 You get nothing out of that.

01:06:21.120 And I think, like, if you look at Tucker, for example, I mean, Tucker's had – he would describe – he's had different views over time.

01:06:27.460 You know, you go back.

01:06:28.340 People keep pulling up these clips of him in 2002, 2003.

01:06:30.580 He'd be the first to tell you that.

01:06:32.280 Exactly.

01:06:32.800 He has much different views.

01:06:34.100 You know, like, he was at the Cato Institute for a while.

01:06:36.540 You know, like, he was at different stages of his life.

01:06:40.080 He's believed different things.

01:06:41.840 It's hard for me to believe a guy like Tucker, who has really strong views, is going to be won over by people yelling at him on the internet.

01:06:50.080 Oh, to the contrary.

01:06:51.640 Right.

01:06:52.100 It's going to be the exact opposite.

01:06:53.740 He may be won over to some of these views, some of your views.

01:06:57.660 If you talk to him respectfully, maybe behind the scenes, maybe treat – you know, you've talked to him.

01:07:02.480 I doubt you agree with him on everything, Megan, but you've had respectful conversations.

01:07:06.220 He's come on our show.

01:07:07.540 We've talked to him.

01:07:08.240 You know, I remember he came back after Russia, and we were like, I don't know, that whole Russia thing, like the grocery stores, do you really believe that?

01:07:14.100 And he explained it in a different way than he had initially phrased it.

01:07:18.020 And it was – you know, I think we had more in common, though I still would disagree with him on that topic.

01:07:24.200 Like, you can have conversations with that, and people can be moved.

01:07:27.960 That's how you actually can win people over.

01:07:30.140 If you scream at them, if you just call them names, you get nowhere with them, especially with a person like Tucker, who's been doing this his entire life.

01:07:38.240 Like, he –

01:07:38.720 Yes.

01:07:39.020 You know, he's –

01:07:39.540 It just seems to me a leftist tactic.

01:07:41.640 It's a leftist tactic to try to say, like, you're out.

01:07:45.080 I don't like your opinion on X, so you're out.

01:07:47.920 And I'm going to push you out by labeling you this terrible thing because that's what the left does.

01:07:54.040 They label you the terrible thing, and then you're out of polite society.

01:07:57.360 It's a leftist tactic.

01:07:58.840 I really object to it.

01:08:00.580 It's also a leftist tactic to try to make somebody say something, which is also being done to me, and all the more reason why I just won't.

01:08:08.280 You know, I've said before, like, I'm not going to go after Tucker.

01:08:11.340 I'm not going to go after Ben either.

01:08:13.020 I'm good friends with them.

01:08:14.180 I'm just not doing that, so I don't care if you don't like it.

01:08:17.040 Candace is not a good friend of mine.

01:08:18.640 I know we're a little, but we're not friends, but I'm not going to go after her for a variety of reasons.

01:08:22.980 Number one, we – before this whole thing started, had a very nice, like, connection over something.

01:08:28.900 It's personal, and I have no desire to stick a knife in her.

01:08:31.520 And number two, the more you insist I must, the more I want to tell you to go pound sand.

01:08:37.940 And now that it's like the stakes you must, you have to, no.

01:08:41.640 It's a no.

01:08:42.800 Okay, BLMers, I didn't raise the fist, and I won't be saying whatever you want me to say. 1.00

01:08:48.600 To your, you know, chagrin, I might have said something.

01:08:51.300 I don't know.

01:08:51.840 I don't keep a daily monitor on other podcast hosts, but if they cross on my news feed and I find it interesting, I might comment on it.

01:08:57.860 But now, now that you've made it – the stakes of our relationship that I must, now I really won't.

01:09:03.600 And you know what?

01:09:04.120 I'll be fine.

01:09:06.000 Now, wait, but I want to get back to the Tucker thing because it's also true that Charlie hated Nick Fuentes, and Nick Fuentes hated Charlie.

01:09:15.420 And Charlie definitely did not want to see Nick Fuentes platformed or in any way emerging as, like, a reasonable figure in, you know, polite society.

01:09:24.660 And I'm sure he would not have liked the fact that Tucker interviewed him at first.

01:09:30.020 And he probably would have sent Tucker a text saying, like, why?

01:09:33.380 But I do believe once explained to Charlie why he might have softened on it.

01:09:40.620 And even if he didn't, he had nothing but respect for Tucker.

01:09:43.080 He looked up to Tucker.

01:09:44.180 He looked up to him.

01:09:45.240 He was, you know, a lot older than Charlie.

01:09:47.560 He was like a mentor, Charlie was.

01:09:49.300 I'm sorry, Tucker was to Charlie, and it would have been, I think, something that Charlie would have come to understand and listen to,

01:09:56.680 that Tucker, I think, was trying to reach this young man as maybe only Tucker can.

01:10:05.020 He's got a very similar audience of young men to say, we don't do collectivism on the right.

01:10:12.660 It's evil.

01:10:13.560 We don't put whole groups of people into categories and then demonize them because we have a problem with one or two.

01:10:22.000 It's unholy.

01:10:24.100 And if you watch that interview that he did with him, I personally am convinced it was about Tucker trying to reach Fuentes,

01:10:30.460 not Tucker trying to launch Fuentes in a bigger and more profound way onto the national scale. 0.64

01:10:38.200 And by the way, if that's your goal, it's not helpful to say, you're an anti-Semite, you're a bigot,

01:10:43.620 here are the 25 most incendiary things you've done.

01:10:46.180 And that's not really something Tucker ever does.

01:10:48.580 He didn't do that with Andrew Tate when he had him on.

01:10:51.100 He didn't do that with the president of Iran.

01:10:53.780 It's just not him.

01:10:55.080 I am that way.

01:10:56.380 I am prosecutorial for sure, which is generally why these people won't sit with me.

01:11:00.300 But he has a different style.

01:11:01.780 So I just think people are totally understanding what the whole thing was about.

01:11:04.300 And I think in some ways misunderstanding – they're misunderstanding what this whole thing is about.

01:11:08.960 They're misunderstanding Charlie to a bit too.

01:11:12.080 Anyway, I spent more time at it than I expected to, but I'll give you the last word.

01:11:15.720 Yeah, it's really interesting.

01:11:18.980 I've seen Tucker go – I mean Tucker does go after people sometimes.

01:11:21.860 I think he was like that with Ted at some level.

01:11:24.200 He went after him.

01:11:25.020 He was trying to corner him into certain positions.

01:11:26.860 And I like that Tucker approach at times, particularly when – he does it certainly with people on the left.

01:11:31.660 But there's a good part of me that would have loved to have seen that approach with him going after Nick Fuentes in that way for some of those crazy –

01:11:37.940 But if the goal were, as I said, would that have been useful?

01:11:40.400 Well, yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to say because I – as someone who's been in this conservative media space for a while, I know a lot of conservative media executives who have –

01:11:50.660 There is a – among the younger conservative set, there is a group of people that I – and I've heard some of these executives describe it this way – of people who are – they were worried about they might get lost.

01:12:06.300 They might go down the road of real anti-Semitism.

01:12:10.240 And they are being sucked in by some of these online forces we discussed earlier.

01:12:15.720 And there is an opportunity with a person like that, especially as they're developing and they're trying to find their way.

01:12:21.380 We all have views that are way different than we did at 20 and 22 and 23.

01:12:25.240 And the way the media has worked is it's launched a lot of these people through social media into people that have audiences of millions and millions of people who get rewarded with the stronger and more outlandish and more controversial takes that they have.

01:12:43.440 I was all about antagonizing everybody when I was 20 years old.

01:12:47.520 Like I thought the funniest thing in the world whenever I could say something that would piss somebody off.

01:12:51.580 Yes, I know.

01:12:52.200 It's hard to believe.

01:12:52.920 It's hard to believe.

01:12:53.620 But that – when I was in that growing up like and coming of age politically and as an adult, like you struggle with that stuff.

01:13:03.720 And I've known people who are in the conservative media who have looked and targeted people and said, this person is really talented and they have great views, but I'm worried about where they will go.

01:13:12.340 I will try to bring them in.

01:13:13.680 Now, I don't know that Fuentes is one of those guys.

01:13:15.920 I think that – I think in my view, probably not one of those things that is –

01:13:19.620 That ship has sailed.

01:13:20.360 I think that one's sailed.

01:13:21.520 But that may very well have been what he was trying to do.

01:13:25.120 And, you know, look, I've had Tucker – Glenn and I have had him on the show many times.

01:13:29.620 We've done events with Tucker.

01:13:31.900 I've never sensed from him this, you know, this terrible human being that I see described.

01:13:38.060 He seems to be thoughtful, but he is in an interesting place.

01:13:41.780 Like some of the stuff, you know, some of the content that he does is not – it's not – I like the Cato era Tucker maybe a little bit more, but that doesn't mean that, you know, everyone gets angry and throws everybody out of the movement.

01:13:52.720 It's much more effective to talk to people.

01:13:54.720 As you mentioned, probably what Charlie would have done is send a text and say, hey, I don't know.

01:13:58.660 Are you sure about this part?

01:14:00.260 He didn't do it when Charlie, you know, was around, so we don't know.

01:14:03.360 But I think that there is a line that we can kind of – we can all see and at the very least shouldn't unite us to resist what the left is trying to do to us with all of this.

01:14:14.500 These conversations are important.

01:14:16.800 We cannot become them. 0.94

01:14:18.940 And we want to give them what they want either.

01:14:21.160 You know, what they want is all of us torn apart.

01:14:23.340 And so the coalition that Charlie was trying to legitimately build with a lot of these exact names disintegrates.

01:14:30.160 That does not help us.

01:14:31.520 It does not help the movement, and it doesn't help the country.

01:14:34.220 It doesn't help our children.

01:14:35.980 So we have to figure out a way to get through this.

01:14:38.940 But having these conversations, I think, in a respectful way, like I know you've tried to do, is, I think, the best path forward.

01:14:46.120 Yes.

01:14:46.740 I mean, that's really what I want.

01:14:48.760 I have so many wonderful, like, suffering Jewish friends who really are desperate themselves to see Israel out of the news. 1.00

01:14:57.280 They don't want Israel or their religion being bandied about and discussed and debated.

01:15:04.700 It's like they just want to go back to being, like, normal, private people whose connection to Israel, if they have one, or whose religion isn't constantly being debated.

01:15:13.600 And who aren't seeing their fellow Jewish people get murdered on American streets, like we saw in Washington, D.C., not to mention the pain that the whole thing with 10-7 and the two years that followed has caused them.

01:15:26.700 And then people on the other side who have just, you know, they've had it.

01:15:29.620 They don't want to see any more risk come by America getting sucked into foreign conflicts, like we saw with Iran and so on.

01:15:35.340 It's like this thing just needs to end.

01:15:36.960 It needs to end.

01:15:37.700 Now, I will say one other point, since we kept going.

01:15:43.500 Turning Point is having an event in December.

01:15:45.800 I'll be there.

01:15:46.980 Lots of us are going.

01:15:47.860 And Tucker apparently asked Mark Levin to debate him at the Turning Point event, or so says Mark Levin.

01:16:00.520 Mark Levin went public with, by reading Tucker's texts saying, you know, he asked me to do this thing with him. 0.91

01:16:07.940 And then just went off about how, over his dead body, would he ever share the stage with this disgusting anti-Semite and, like, just a vile attack on Tucker, whom he's literally been comparing to a Nazi. 0.69

01:16:24.980 And I just think this is, like, this is so far beyond. 0.87

01:16:30.720 We just finished, like, a several-year period where we tried to make clear to the left that those terms are not acceptable in the public dialogue.

01:16:41.680 They are too incendiary.

01:16:43.840 They're going to get somebody killed, like President Trump or Charlie Kirk. 0.99

01:16:49.380 With him, it was fascist. 0.99

01:16:51.220 With Trump, it was both.

01:16:52.480 And we should not be resurrecting terms like that to attack or undermine fellow conservatives with whom we have a disagreement on Israel.

01:17:04.340 Here's just a little of that.

01:17:08.660 Then we have on the fascistic, neo-Nazi, radical right.

01:17:14.740 And by the way, I'm not talking about constitutional conservatives.

01:17:18.780 Not in the least.

01:17:20.440 We're not on the radical right.

01:17:21.940 We're right in the center.

01:17:24.920 And I don't mean ideologically.

01:17:26.620 I mean, we're right in the center.

01:17:28.760 We support the Constitution, the Declaration, the founding, and everything that was done to create this nation.

01:17:35.020 How can we be right-wing?

01:17:36.900 Right-wing of what?

01:17:39.280 These people are not America first.

01:17:43.980 America first isn't evil over good.

01:17:47.200 America first isn't tyranny over liberty. 0.78

01:17:50.200 America first isn't sounding like the Marxist, Islamist, anti-American Jew haters.

01:17:54.900 That's not American at all. 0.84

01:17:59.360 That's not America first, second, or third.

01:18:02.480 No, they're aiding and abetting people who want to destroy the country.

01:18:07.500 They want to destroy the country. 0.83

01:18:09.300 Yeah, fascistic, neo-Nazi, radical right.

01:18:16.240 And that is no way to be talking about Tucker.

01:18:23.800 It's too much.

01:18:24.960 It's too far.

01:18:26.420 It's dangerous.

01:18:27.820 And honestly, like, I know Tucker and Ben both, they are both under serious threats.

01:18:32.200 Like, to be honest, I am too.

01:18:36.040 Like, it's, it's, this is a very volatile time.

01:18:39.860 I don't like to talk about it.

01:18:40.680 I'm not going to talk about it.

01:18:41.440 But I'm just saying, I know both of them are under serious threat. 1.00

01:18:43.880 So just fucking put a lid on it, fucking Mark Levin. 0.99

01:18:47.460 Because I guarantee you, the wrong people listen to that, and we could have another powder keg on our hands. 1.00

01:18:53.720 And you don't want that.

01:18:54.720 You don't want that on your conscience.

01:18:56.580 Just have a debate, like a man, on principle. 0.84

01:18:59.780 And why don't you show up at the Turning Point event and debate him?

01:19:03.200 Just debate him.

01:19:03.940 That would be so good for this conservative movement you claim to love so much.

01:19:07.240 You know who's at the Turning Point events?

01:19:09.040 Future conservatives and current conservatives.

01:19:13.100 Young people.

01:19:14.460 Young people.

01:19:15.340 This would be a chance for you to influence somebody under the age of 70.

01:19:18.400 You should show up there and debate.

01:19:21.340 Why wouldn't you debate? 0.99

01:19:22.380 He's so disgusting, you can't debate him. 0.96

01:19:24.200 I can see not debating Nick Fuentes, to be honest. 0.99

01:19:26.380 I can.

01:19:27.260 But Tucker?

01:19:29.060 He's so far outside the mainstream.

01:19:31.560 All the Jewish friends I have in my head, who text me all the time, like, this is my father.

01:19:36.240 They would all debate Tucker.

01:19:37.360 They would love to debate Tucker.

01:19:39.280 They've got their facts ready to go all day.

01:19:42.140 Why won't he do it?

01:19:43.160 And why is he sounding like a leftist shill with his rhetoric, just trying to dismiss people as, like, these horrible, bigoted people who I need to be.

01:19:50.540 You can't even stand next to them on a stage.

01:19:52.360 Stu, this is not good for America First or the conservative movement, and it's mana from heaven for progressives.

01:20:01.580 Yeah, it's, you know, look, you know, Mark is on Blaze TV.

01:20:07.780 That's where I work.

01:20:08.660 We have people who are very much opposed to Mark also at Blaze TV.

01:20:13.200 You know, we, it is a, you know, conservative movement has a wide mind on this.

01:20:18.900 And I agree with you, like, I don't, you know, I think the debate would be great.

01:20:23.920 I'd actually really like to see a debate between Mark and Tucker.

01:20:26.780 I think that would be actually really interesting.

01:20:28.880 And, you know, I agree, as I stated, I think tonally that it's not a helpful, helpful approach.

01:20:34.300 I understand, you know, there is a real concern, especially by people who have, you know, put a lot of thought into what has happened over history when it comes to this particular issue.

01:20:44.440 You really want to make sure you don't go down these roads.

01:20:47.600 And I, you know, as you pointed out, like, I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any value in hearing Nick Fuentes' thoughts on these things personally.

01:20:54.800 That's just, you know, my thought.

01:20:55.900 I know, you know, Ben Shapiro for, I remember what year it was, he was the victim of the most attacks on his, you know, racial or anti-Semitic or, you know, religious-based attacks on the internet.

01:21:09.520 He was the biggest victim of that for a time.

01:21:12.880 From the alt-right, which is the Fontes crew.

01:21:16.160 Exactly.

01:21:16.880 And so, like, I can see he's probably legitimately spent millions of dollars on security to protect his life and his family's life because of these threats.

01:21:27.460 So I get why the passions can be really high on this.

01:21:30.320 I don't know that any of that, you know, I think a reasoned debate between people who are in the movement, it can be really helpful and doesn't escalate this stuff.

01:21:43.980 That's the stuff that I think Charlie was trying to put together.

01:21:46.400 I think Charlie would have loved an event where those two guys argued those things.

01:21:50.680 So I think that would be a great event.

01:21:52.440 Maybe, you know, maybe Mark will change his mind.

01:21:54.240 I think the problem, though, is that-

01:21:55.600 Maybe Ben will do it.

01:21:57.120 Maybe, yeah, maybe Ben will do it.

01:21:58.320 But I think that everyone's been, and I've watched, I think, in the past, you know, debate-type conversations between Ben and Tucker where they've had, you know, conversations about, you know, capitalism and really important things.

01:22:10.580 Having just come off a week of talking to them both for hours, I don't feel so great about it.

01:22:15.680 I'm going to be honest.

01:22:16.520 I did my best on camera and behind the camera to try to broker something.

01:22:21.700 I don't feel hopeful.

01:22:23.120 But you know what?

01:22:24.980 It's December.

01:22:25.960 I think it's December 19th.

01:22:27.340 We're getting close to Christmas and Hanukkah.

01:22:30.220 A different spirit infuses the air.

01:22:32.700 And maybe they'll, you know, Tucker's, I think, willing to do it.

01:22:36.340 I mean, obviously, if he'd be across from Mark Levin, I think he'd be across from Ben.

01:22:40.600 I hope they do it.

01:22:41.940 I hope we can just try to find a way back to each other on the right half of the aisle.

01:22:47.180 The real political enemy is over there on the left, and they are the ones we need to fight.

01:22:54.360 Okay, that's enough about that.

01:22:56.740 An hour and a half in.

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01:22:58.560 But we've got to get to the BBC.

01:23:01.020 It's my favorite story of the day, and we'll pick it up right after this quick break with Stuart Bergeer.

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01:25:49.400 Stu, just when you thought we had the most biased, disgusting, hard left media in the world,

01:25:56.420 enter the BBC with a hold my beer moment.

01:26:01.100 It has come out only now, even though this sin happened a week before the presidential election

01:26:07.640 here in America back in November of 2024, because a whistleblower internal to the BBC has come forward

01:26:15.300 with public accusations, private accusations that are now public, that he made against the BBC.

01:26:20.980 It sounds like he was a member of their standard and practices board, like the group that oversees

01:26:26.560 basically trying to stop the BBC from getting sued and tries to make them stay neutral on their reporting.

01:26:33.200 And he noticed several problems and wrote, sounds like a barn burner of a letter to them saying,

01:26:37.920 you guys are a hot mess.

01:26:39.460 There are a lot of things you're doing wrong.

01:26:40.940 And now it's gone public and he's whistleblowing.

01:26:43.140 The most severe of which was an edit they made in a, quote, documentary they were doing about the American election

01:26:51.720 in which they played this soundbite.

01:26:56.040 We ran this on AM update of President Trump allegedly.

01:27:00.920 OK, three years earlier in January 2021, allegedly calling for violence at the U.S. Capitol.

01:27:07.220 Watch.

01:27:07.440 We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you and we fight.

01:27:16.140 We fight like hell.

01:27:17.640 And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.

01:27:22.660 Except that's not what he said at all.

01:27:25.720 He did say the very first part that you hear in there where he says, we're going to walk down to the Capitol.

01:27:32.000 And then 54 minutes later, he said the part about, I'll be there with you and we, we, we fight.

01:27:41.380 We fight like hell.

01:27:42.300 Look at this.

01:27:43.000 This is laid out in pages of the transcript.

01:27:46.500 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

01:27:50.740 So that's eight, 16, 24 pages later is where he said the thing about we fight like hell.

01:27:57.320 They took those two bits of tape, butted them together as though it was a stream of consciousness by Donald Trump in an effort to make it look like he was calling for violence.

01:28:08.700 It is by any measure grossly unethical, a cardinal sin of journalism.

01:28:15.940 Even a first year reporter knows you don't do that.

01:28:19.060 But if it's, it's dicey, even if in the same answer, let's say the answer is a paragraph long and it has five sentences, it's dicey even to take sentence one and butt it with sentence five.

01:28:31.300 But you can do it if two, three, and four kind of suck and they were stumbling and it's the same point.

01:28:36.520 You're not misrepresenting.

01:28:37.560 But you go 24 pages later to pull the most incendiary thing he said and plop it up against the beginning to make it look like he called for violence.

01:28:48.280 And you are 100 percent going to get sued for defamation because you have violated somebody's rights.

01:28:56.460 And that's what's about to happen to the BBC.

01:28:59.500 Trump said, I want an apology.

01:29:01.460 I want a retraction and I want a big fat check or I'm going to sue you for a billion dollars later this week. 0.96

01:29:11.000 The BBC, understanding he's got them by the balls, gave one of those things, an apology, not a retraction, not a check.

01:29:22.220 But the two top officials of the BBC have voluntarily stepped down. 0.51

01:29:28.100 They're both gone, which is extraordinary, by the way.

01:29:31.080 They've been through some other scandals lately, too.

01:29:33.440 But they're both gone now in response to all of this.

01:29:37.040 So even they recognize this is a big effing deal, to quote Joe Biden.

01:29:42.740 Your thoughts on the egregiousness of this, I don't even want to say mistake, behavior?

01:29:49.560 Yeah, I mean, far more egregious than anything that he's, I think, even sued these American companies over.

01:29:56.960 I mean, that is blatantly trying to mislead your audience into thinking he said something that he didn't say.

01:30:03.740 You know, we've seen some of that here.

01:30:05.380 You know, the thing that the fine people on both sides debate was an interesting version of this where you saw a lot of editing out of not the Nazis, not those people, but just taking these clips immediately out of the speech and claiming he said something else.

01:30:21.620 You know, it's he's won these things.

01:30:25.280 He keeps winning these things.

01:30:26.700 He keeps winning over and over again because I think there was a little bit of a change in the media from at least when I started in it where it was always left wing.

01:30:37.120 I mean, like it was always left wing.

01:30:38.600 There was always people out there who were left wing and they were left leaning people that made left leaning decisions and promoted claims that phrased them and frame them in ways that I didn't like.

01:30:47.540 I think with Donald Trump, you can call it TDS if you want Trump derangement syndrome.

01:30:52.760 But I think more central to that, there's this idea on the left that this these times are too serious.

01:30:59.040 We can't we those old rules of journalism cannot be respected anymore because this is too much.

01:31:06.780 It's too serious.

01:31:07.700 We have to break all those rules.

01:31:09.880 And we I think he saw that with a Hunter Biden laptop story, frankly, when when they you know, I think normally in the past it would be they bring up Hunter Biden.

01:31:16.780 They would say that, you know, it was misleading or maybe fake and that was it.

01:31:20.540 They just didn't tell anybody about it at all.

01:31:22.760 They acted as if it didn't even exist.

01:31:25.480 They were so focused and became the activists inside of them instead of left wing people doing journalism with some sort of loose respect for those rules.

01:31:36.560 That's gone out the window.

01:31:37.700 And what makes it incredibly dangerous if you happen to be the BBC is they don't have the First Amendment protections that that most of our media do.

01:31:47.400 I mean, I think you can argue even with the cases where these companies in the U.S.

01:31:52.620 have stepped up and said, OK, like we're going to donate to your presidential museum or whatever it is, because we don't want to go down this road, admitting that they made mistakes and did things that were wrong.

01:32:04.840 They still had First Amendment protections.

01:32:06.720 And I think some of them may have actually still won in court if it had gone all the way down the road just because we really do prioritize free speech here.

01:32:14.780 That's not the way it is in the U.K.

01:32:17.980 It's not the way it is in Europe.

01:32:19.180 It's not the way it is in a lot of other places.

01:32:20.680 They don't have those First Amendment protections with their media.

01:32:23.720 So when they do things like that, they are incredibly vulnerable to very big checks.

01:32:28.020 And the BBC, I think, might be writing one soon.

01:32:31.160 Yeah, they are 100 percent going to be writing a big check.

01:32:33.800 The only question is what the number is going to be.

01:32:35.620 Zero doubt in my mind about it.

01:32:37.720 Here is, you know, the Telegraph broke this story of the whistleblower.

01:32:42.420 This is their associate editor at the Telegraph, Gordon Rayner, explaining the edit and their reporting.

01:32:50.240 Watch.

01:32:50.460 They played the following clip.

01:32:54.440 We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you.

01:32:59.940 And we fight.

01:33:01.540 We fight like hell.

01:33:03.440 But Trump didn't, in fact, say this at all.

01:33:06.920 The BBC spliced together two clips that took place 54 minutes apart.

01:33:13.240 So let's go through it again.

01:33:16.940 We're going to walk down to the Capitol.

01:33:20.460 And I'll be there with you.

01:33:22.580 Now, see there, between Capitol and, and, that's a cut.

01:33:28.140 Here's what Trump actually said.

01:33:29.880 We're going to walk down to the Capitol.

01:33:35.100 And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women.

01:33:41.860 It's different.

01:33:43.200 It wasn't until nearly an hour later that he then said the second part of the BBC's version.

01:33:48.600 We're going to walk down to the Capitol.

01:33:56.160 And we fight.

01:33:57.720 We fight like hell. 0.73

01:33:59.720 Oh, so dishonest.

01:34:01.520 And they cut out the party said up front in that part like that they chopped to butt it towards the end.

01:34:07.420 Where he said, and I want it to be peaceful and patriotic.

01:34:11.060 We're going to go peacefully and patriotically.

01:34:13.100 That didn't make the cut at all.

01:34:14.860 That was removed to try to make him sound like he was trying to incite, I-N-C-I-T-E, violence.

01:34:22.100 This is the same dishonest news organization that about a year ago still ran this clip, which is making another resurgence right now on X for obvious reasons. 0.68

01:34:34.480 Now, transgender woman's milk is just as good for babies as breast milk. 0.85

01:34:44.760 That's according to a letter from the medical director at University Hospital Sussex NHS Foundation Trust.

01:34:51.300 The claim was made as part of a response against campaign groups.

01:34:55.080 The trust referred to studies and the World Health Organization guidance, including one case which found what it called no observable effects in babies fed by induced lactation. 1.00

01:35:05.300 You're a disgusting fool who doesn't know what the fuck she's saying. 0.99

01:35:10.100 No skepticism whatsoever that trans milk, meaning a man who jacks himself up on hormones such that his chest can produce something that resembles some sort of fluid. 1.00

01:35:22.520 That's just as good for a baby as breast milk.

01:35:25.140 So I want them to pay.

01:35:27.560 I want them to pay so much it hurts.

01:35:29.720 And they actually bring somebody in there who understands facts and how they matter.

01:35:35.680 And that doesn't appear to include anybody who's at the top of that organization currently.

01:35:42.560 No, I had I had missed the trans milk debate.

01:35:47.800 I will say, Megan, then you've illuminated me to that was the fact that that was even a thing.

01:35:52.580 I have to say I didn't even know.

01:35:54.300 So disgusting. 0.91

01:35:54.920 That was a child abuse. 0.99

01:35:55.780 And the fact that that's what chest feeding is by a trans person. 0.97

01:35:58.440 Child abuse, infant abuse. 0.97

01:36:01.840 It's psychotic and quite clearly not.

01:36:07.100 There's no medical basis behind any of that. 0.97

01:36:09.600 That's just crazy nonsense.

01:36:12.180 They do deserve it.

01:36:12.920 I mean, the BBC has been bad on a lot of things for a long period of time.

01:36:16.740 And, you know, this is why I would argue I don't want any state run media.

01:36:19.880 I don't think there's anything positive about that.

01:36:22.840 I have friends who were like, oh, gosh, no, the BBC is good.

01:36:25.020 No, they're not.

01:36:25.540 They do this type of stuff all the time.

01:36:29.120 And the Trump edit is really egregious because we all were there.

01:36:33.220 We all remember it.

01:36:34.100 We all watched the speech.

01:36:35.660 We all are very familiar with the things that he says in the arguments around it and the fact that they thought that they could get away with it.

01:36:40.860 I mean, maybe it's because they thought their audience wasn't as engaged in American politics.

01:36:44.560 And this is an easy way to paint the president because it probably agrees with a lot of the people watching over there.

01:36:51.540 But, you know, over here, you can't get away with that stuff, I don't think.

01:36:55.740 And the media has tried forever.

01:36:57.160 I think, you know, it's one of the things that because I have some sensitivity.

01:37:01.100 I think you probably do as well, Megan, when it comes to, you know, a president of the United States going after media corporations and saying, hey, you know, you lied about me.

01:37:09.960 Because, you know, Obama would say that about us and Biden, I'm sure, probably did say that about us.

01:37:16.580 And that does concern me.

01:37:19.600 But the fact that he's been able to highlight these examples that are really egregious and hold these places accountable, I think might at least give them hesitation.

01:37:28.240 I don't need them to have the exact analysis I have or that you have about every issue.

01:37:32.380 I kind of expect them to be off the rails and to the left.

01:37:36.020 I can deal with that.

01:37:37.020 I'm an adult.

01:37:37.620 I can deal with that.

01:37:38.480 But you can't lie to the American people constantly and be protected by these licenses and the way that they are.

01:37:47.520 They have to be held responsible at some level.

01:37:50.940 And at the very least, this is –

01:37:51.960 The taxpayers are funding these lies.

01:37:54.800 Yeah.

01:37:55.240 And Trump is at least putting the fear into them on this stuff.

01:37:57.760 Hey, let's – you know, if you were a left-wing media executive and one of these reports was about to air, you'd say, wait a minute.

01:38:04.060 I don't want to get in the middle of this.

01:38:05.540 Let's make sure this is buttoned up.

01:38:06.960 Why are we editing two clips that are 54 minutes apart?

01:38:09.760 Just tell the truth.

01:38:11.220 We – if you think Donald Trump did a lot of things around January 6th that were bad, just make that case with the facts.

01:38:17.100 Yeah.

01:38:17.220 That's one you can make.

01:38:17.940 Why do you have to – why do you have to lie?

01:38:19.860 Yeah, totally agree.

01:38:20.600 Don't lie.

01:38:20.880 And here's something I didn't know.

01:38:22.360 This is in National Review today entitled Troubles Mount for the British Biased Corporation.

01:38:28.000 It's 103 years old, the BBC.

01:38:31.980 It's the oldest global broadcaster.

01:38:33.700 It employs 21,000 people.

01:38:35.700 It recently drastically expanded its footprint into the United States through a partnership with PBS.

01:38:41.180 Its website attracts more than 60 million monthly visitors from America.

01:38:45.320 It is widely viewed by American viewers as impartial and authoritative.

01:38:51.460 They go on to write the British know better, and they write about the number of examples of people who have complained about the BBC, have objected, have stopped paying that licensure fee as part of their taxes because they just will not support it.

01:39:06.980 And they go on to reference this case that we talked about a couple days ago of Martine Kroxal, who corrected her BBC script, which read something about pregnant people and changed it to they mean women, who just got in trouble with the BBC.

01:39:24.960 Their executive complaints unit found that she had broken the BBC's impartiality rules by explaining that pregnant people means women.

01:39:34.100 You can't do that on the BBC.

01:39:36.980 But you can say that chest feeding out of a man's chest is just as healthy as women's breastfeeding.

01:39:44.680 And you can say that Trump called for violence and take soundbites an hour apart and butt them together like that sat there for a year and they would have gotten away with it.

01:39:54.820 Had this whistleblower not come forward. 0.99

01:39:56.720 This is a disgusting, disgraceful, dishonest organization, Stu. 0.93

01:40:00.600 Like this is just as bad as anything we've seen here domestically. 0.97

01:40:03.720 Yeah, I mean, I think that example is as bad or worse than anything we've seen.

01:40:08.540 I think it also highlights a very interesting thing if they're coming here into the United States, which is a I think a real problem with American culture in that we are very susceptible to British accents. 0.98

01:40:20.180 When we hear a British accent, we automatically find it credible. 0.83

01:40:25.020 Guilty.

01:40:25.500 We have anything said.

01:40:27.260 It's true.

01:40:27.860 It just feels that way.

01:40:28.800 I don't know what it is.

01:40:30.100 They just sound smarter.

01:40:32.420 It's true.

01:40:33.240 I don't know what it is.

01:40:34.060 I do think that that is the – when you come to perception, I mean the American people know very little about what the coverage of the BBC is.

01:40:40.580 I mean I've watched their climate coverage for years.

01:40:43.300 It makes my head explode.

01:40:46.020 Horrible.

01:40:47.000 But they just feel – that's the reason why polling shows that they're credible.

01:40:51.740 They sound British.

01:40:53.200 And to us, like it doesn't matter who said it.

01:40:55.100 Tony Blair, you know, Dua Lipa.

01:40:58.080 Whoever has an English accent, we will basically believe.

01:41:01.340 Definitely Charles C.W. Cook, but that one is well-founded.

01:41:04.060 Yes.

01:41:04.220 You will not go wrong.

01:41:05.080 Yeah.

01:41:05.320 He sounds smart because he is.

01:41:08.080 Stu Berger, you as well, my friend.

01:41:09.560 It was great to see you in Texas a week ago.

01:41:12.440 Love meeting your wife.

01:41:14.040 Love having you on the show.

01:41:15.980 It was a lot of fun and great to see you and thanks so much for having me on.

01:41:19.600 All right.

01:41:20.500 To be continued and we will be back tomorrow with Bhatia Ungar-Sargan and more.

01:41:27.380 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:41:29.580 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - November 11, 2025

The Truth About Tucker and Charlie Kirk, Egregious BBC Lie, and Violent Antifa vs. Turning Point, with Stu Burguiere ｜ Ep. 1191

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