Today marks two months to the day since Charlie Kirk was murdered in a public execution at the University of California, Berkeley. Today, the left is celebrating his death and reveling in the fact that he was killed on the same day as they were supposed to celebrate his life.
00:00:45.260We are back live in the Red Studio today, taking a little break in between tour stops.
00:00:49.900Our last and final tour stop starts next week, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and then we're done with the tour.
00:00:56.280And I just want to say again, thanks to all of you so much who are showing up and making it incredibly special.
00:01:03.200Yesterday was two months to the day since Charlie Kirk was murdered in a public execution.
00:01:08.480Last night marked the end of what was supposed to be Charlie's tour across college campuses, an event he absolutely loved and for which he prepared hours and hours and hours on end prior to their beginning.
00:01:30.840As you know, after he was murdered, conservatives like Michael Knowles, Tucker Carlson, yours truly, and many others stepped in to host those events in his honor.
00:01:40.900I think most of us who went out there had been previously booked to do them with Charlie and others perhaps not.
00:01:47.800But I don't know, it's just one of the things that made it so profound, I guess, to be out there on the stage because it was supposed to be a joint event.
00:01:58.300It was supposed to be something that we did together.
00:02:02.580It's hard to believe how much has changed in those two months.
00:02:07.060It's hard to believe just how disgustingly vile the left has gotten.
00:02:10.840Honestly, like I, I don't know, I knew they were like not great.
00:02:15.720Not sure I would have anticipated such large swaths of the left celebrating and even reveling in his assassination.
00:02:26.700There's something deeply wrong with these people.
00:02:28.760Charlie chose the University of California, Berkeley, birthplace of the campus free speech movement, though it hasn't been living up to that for quite some time to be his last stop.
00:02:40.720Independent journalist Andy Ngo reporting the protests were organized by the violent Antifa group, quote, by any means necessary.
00:02:49.460That's what they call themselves, but it's Antifa.
00:02:51.500They showed up with signs like this one for the listening audience.
00:02:54.520It reads, Kirk said, hold on, drowned fascism in a sea of resistance, revolutionary student organization.
00:03:05.600Then there's another one that reads, Kirk said death penalties should be public, quick, and televised.
00:05:05.060Per the news outlet, the Berkeley Scanner, several protesters passing by police officers, telling the officers to kill themselves or others, saying, you have a gun, use it wisely.
00:05:14.580Five individuals were arrested in relation to various altercations with police and protesters.
00:05:20.100One fight broke out after a Kirk supporter selling Freedom t-shirts was attacked and wound up bleeding heavily from his face.
00:06:00.640Some said the Kirk supporter shouted a racial slur, but later footage was released that showed a violent protester yanked his cross necklace off from around his neck.
00:06:45.120However, there was a silver lining, the most amazing part of all, which was that every single person who stood in that line to support Charlie Kirk never left.
00:06:55.760The taunting, the cursing, the screaming, the death threats, they were undeterred.
00:09:25.260You know, when I talk to people who are, you know, more left than I am, which is, you know, the vast majority of the American populace, most of them seem pretty rational and normal and maybe have some bad ideas.
00:09:40.940I can eat dinner with them and deal with them.
00:09:43.960There is a massive change that is happening with at least a – I want to say a large chunk because that's what it feels like, but at least it's a decent-sized chunk of the left that has almost militarized.
00:09:59.340You know, it feels like you see that around the pro-Palestinian protests.
00:10:04.620You see it around the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk situation.
00:10:10.960It's become much, much worse over time.
00:10:13.960And I think it's been accelerated by, you know, the way that we deal with each other.
00:10:20.300You know, young people in the last 20 years are – their time socializing with other human beings is down between 50% and 70%.
00:10:27.960And apparently when they are socializing, things get worse.
00:10:32.580People start bleeding all over the place.
00:10:34.200You know, there's a – the stat that I'm always amazed by is that young women today that are pet owners spend more time actively engaged with their cats than they do other human beings.
00:10:48.620And I don't know if that's just an awful part of this.
00:10:55.240Like it's a symptom that maybe accelerates it.
00:10:57.240It certainly doesn't cause you – I mean, hanging out with your cat doesn't make you attack other people.
00:11:01.400But I do think there's a disconnect that's brewing between younger people and just the people around them.
00:11:10.000They don't have any respect for them at all.
00:11:12.540And I think it was really, really easy, a super low bar to clear, to feel sadness for the family of Charlie Kirk, for the people that supported him, even if you hate their ideas.
00:11:25.000I mean, I don't find that to be a challenging thing.
00:11:27.940If someone on the left is murdered, I don't – there's no moment where I'm like, gosh, I don't know.
00:11:33.260There's never – it's never a consideration for a human being that can operate within a civilization.
00:11:40.100And that aspect of whatever bonds kept us together that we used to call a civilization has deteriorated to a massive extent, and it seems to be getting worse.
00:11:52.000I mean, I think you show those pictures of inside of the arena.
00:11:55.020You show the pictures of people staying in line through all of this.
00:11:58.660We should not ignore all the positives that have happened after Charlie's passing, you know, people going back to church and doing incredible things.
00:12:08.280I think people investigating faith again, and that stuff has all happened.
00:12:14.180But it really is – it feels like these ends, the fringes are coming apart at a pace that is unsustainable.
00:12:25.020All I can think when I see these people doing the fake shot in the neck and, you know, rest in piss and all that, like, all I can think is that there's a family in Phoenix, Arizona right now greatly suffering.
00:12:39.120There's a baby boy who's still sleeping in a crib.
00:12:42.240There's a toddler girl who have no understanding that they will never know their father.
00:12:47.360And there's a mother who's trying to raise them.
00:12:49.820Any mother who goes from having a two-parent intact family to losing the father will be overwhelmed with grief suddenly, losing him suddenly in particular, overwhelmed with grief and with the newfound responsibilities which are no longer shared at all.
00:13:05.740So not only do you have to still raise these children and be ever-present for them, but you have to do it while you're massively grieving, and all the responsibilities just got divided, you know, that in large part were divided, are now all yours at your most vulnerable and weakest.
00:13:22.520Erica Kirk, I assume it was Erica, I saw it like a third party, but posted this video of their baby boy in his crib and their toddler girl going over to him and singing Jesus Loves Me just a couple days ago.
00:14:35.960Again, they are never going to know their dad.
00:14:40.500They're never going to have Charlie Kirk to walk him down the aisle or give him the talk before they take a gal down the aisle or see their children through their grandparents' eyes or their father's eyes.
00:15:34.260Like, especially people in our business who you spar with.
00:15:36.620It's like, you know, it can get ugly at times.
00:15:38.760But, like, to have that level of hatred and inhumanity in you, what you said sticks out to me.
00:15:44.94050 to 70 – wait, can you say this, Dad, again?
00:15:49.320That communication between people, like, person to person, young people has gone down 50 to 70 percent?
00:15:55.740Yeah, people, you know, hosting events and hanging out with each other and just face-to-face time with other human beings has dropped among young people 50 to 70 percent.
00:16:05.660And I believe it's over the entire American population.
00:16:45.520We're celebrating each other's murders.
00:16:47.660I'm sorry, but I think it's directly related to that rectangle we all walk around with in our pocket.
00:16:53.760I completely agree that this is a massive component of it.
00:16:57.540I mean, you know, read the Jonathan Haidt book that came out recently.
00:17:01.900The Anxious Mind, I believe it's called.
00:17:03.840I mean, the stats in there are just shocking.
00:17:05.500You know, as a parent who has, you know, kids in this age, which they are constantly begging for phones and want them all the time and want their own phone.
00:17:13.420And, you know, I'm out of – I mean, I look around even at my school, which is a conservative leading school.
00:17:25.660And, you know, our kids don't at this point, but it's a hard thing to hold out for parents.
00:17:30.260And if you think about how badly adults are handling this, how much society has changed and how human interaction has changed among adults, you think about what this must be doing to our kids.
00:17:42.660I mean, you know, you look at the suicide rates and all of these other things, not to mention just brain rot that is happening.
00:17:51.760And I think – because I think we could look at this and say both conservatives and liberals are both pretty guilty of just giving our lives over to these devices without really any thought, you know, hours and hours and hours a day.
00:18:06.160And I think there is effect on both sides.
00:18:09.420But I do think that the effect is really exaggerated on the left, and partially I think it's because the lack of personal connection, the not seeing each other as human works together with the idea of collectivism, unfortunately, into a really bad recipe because when –
00:18:28.580And with one other thing, the loss of faith.
00:18:31.780And the loss of faith is massive among that.
00:18:33.880When you lose that personal connection, the personal foundation to a higher power, and then you combine that with collectivism, which is basically, you know, largely an idea of seeing people as members of groups rather than individuals, right?
00:18:46.580That concept, which I also believe leads to racism and anti-Semitism and so many other terrible things because even when you see that stuff on the right, it's always in a collectivist mindset.
00:18:57.480You're seeing these people as just this – hey, there's this giant glob of people and they're responsible for it rather than seeing them as individuals who you would be sad for when their children lose their father.
00:19:10.980Like, when you just see him as this – and you see Charlie as this guy who was leading this movement toward things that I don't like in politics, it's a lot easier to go out and, you know, do these terrible things and mock his death and all of this when you're not seeing him as an individual.
00:19:28.180This is a person who – yeah, you know, maybe he did like lower taxes than you.
00:19:32.180You know, maybe he did like lower regulation levels than you won, and maybe his healthcare subsidy level was different than yours.
00:19:38.820These aren't things that should make you cheer his death.
00:19:43.340That is a low hurdle to clear, and one I believe for a really long time we were able to clear, at least as long as I've been alive.
00:19:50.960And over the past few years, maybe accelerated by COVID, certainly accelerated by technology and just wild, you know, left-wing ideologies, we crossed a line that it doesn't seem like we're able to make those distinctions anymore.
00:20:07.580We're not able to just say, hey, like, I don't like that – I don't like any of your ideas, but gosh, that's terrible what happened to you.
00:20:13.980There were some on the left that were able to hit that hurdle, but far too few.
00:20:18.260Well, I do think your points about collectivism and then the point about faith explain what's happening – explain why this is happening on the left but not the right.
00:20:29.500You know, because the right-wing has young kids.
00:20:44.300And I do think – it's not to say they've never had a shooter that age and so on come from the right-wing.
00:20:48.200But I'm just saying in general, in general, right-wing families are connected with faith.
00:20:54.000I mean, honestly, it's one of the reasons why the whole Tyler Robinson mystery is so bizarre because while he was a leftist, he came from a right-wing family.
00:21:02.660And I don't know what role faith played in their life.
00:21:04.760You know, just because your right-wing doesn't necessarily mean you're a family of faith.
00:21:07.320But I do think that the more you remove faith from your life, the more you replace it with false gods like wokeism, which is extremely damaging.
00:21:17.420It's basically the same thing as catching – not that it's contagious, but I mean like – as like getting anorexia, like a disease that will eat you away from the inside.
00:21:39.820And then, you know, if you fill up that space with a belief in God, in Jesus, in being redeemed from sin, and also just belonging to a community, then you don't have the need to turn to Antifa to work out your need to feel like you belong.
00:21:59.960Now, every time I see one of these kids out there – and, you know, we always get inevitably the follow-up piece on how they're all rich, how they all have like, you know, endless supply cards at Starbucks and they have expensive laptops.
00:22:14.300Yeah, here's some of the fire that we saw last night at the event.
00:22:18.220Don't know exactly what that is, but not exactly a peaceful protest.
00:22:34.840They need to go out there and do something crazy to make themselves feel like they matter.
00:22:39.680I mean, if we're really talking this through, it comes down to a basic parenting fucking fail, right?
00:22:44.620Like, stay in touch with your kid, have family dinners, go to church, stay on top of his well-being, including and arguably especially when he goes away to college.
00:22:56.020And by the way, the Tyler Robinson situation, if he goes away to college and winds up living with a trans furry who's allegedly famous for growing mold in plastic Tupperware containers throughout the apartment and hoarding to the place where he looks like he's living in a dumpster or an actual landfill, maybe get more involved in checking on his wellness.
00:23:21.520I mean, truly, the well-being of society depends on it.
00:23:45.880But like, you know, I think there are times a lot of parents do these things and the world takes their kids and does God knows what with them.
00:23:53.600You know, it's not always – even if you're trying your best, sometimes you lose your kids.
00:23:57.520And the fact that so often we're turning them over to, you know, in some cases, literally the Chinese Communist Party with TikTok and these things, you should assume this is going to happen a lot more often.
00:24:10.300You have to be more and more diligent about this.
00:24:13.440And so often like, you know, you do see it's like from these like nicer backgrounds and kids that are spoiled and have, you know, done – have these amazing lives by any historical representation.
00:24:26.600And I think too that part of this is like human beings kind of need struggle.
00:24:29.820You know, we will often search it out even when it's kind of silly to do so.
00:24:35.300And I think you see a lot of these kids at these colleges that have, you know, have what – all, you know, impressions are great lives, right?
00:24:45.040Like everything they've ever needed, never struggled for food, never struggled for the wants and needs, live in nice houses and nice communities, not threatened by the horrible inner cities that left-wing, you know, mayors have created over the years.
00:25:00.560Those aren't the people that are voting for this nonsense most of the time.
00:25:04.020It's people who are outside of that world.
00:25:06.380And, you know, I think in some ways we've smartly gone after and tried to solve a lot of the basic concerns of our lives.
00:25:14.980You know, if you think about the George Floyd era for a second when the left is going into these town squares and they're tearing down these statues of, you know, Confederates and all of these things.
00:25:25.500And they're acting so oppressed by them.
00:25:28.140And now they're in a situation where what they believe they're oppressed by are statues.
00:25:32.960But at one point in our history, those statues were real people and some of them were terrible people and some of them did terrible things.
00:25:39.520And we used to have to deal with the actual dictators, not the statues of the dictators.
00:25:45.040And the fact that we see that as our main struggle today in some ways speaks well of our society that we've been able to take away a lot of those threats.
00:25:53.460But I do think that like especially people without, as you pointed out, Megan, you know, that connection to faith, the connection to real, something real and foundational, they search and they search blindly in this awful wilderness we've created for them.
00:26:10.480And that is not a formula that leads to good things.
00:26:15.580And these, you know, rich families that think parenting is accomplished by lavishing their children with expensive gifts or trips or cars, whatever, are creating the next gen of losers.
00:26:41.600And that brings me, of course, to Jimmy Kimmel and the absurd, absurd clip that's circulating now.
00:26:50.500The other night we played and aired on this program, the soundbite of his wife, who apparently is just as crazy as he is, lamenting that she still has Trump supporting relatives.
00:27:05.340And notwithstanding the fact that she begged them, begged them and gave them 10 reasons not to vote for Trump, they still voted for Trump.
00:27:11.640And she feels like they voted against Jimmy.
00:27:14.560Okay, something's wrong when your so-called comedian husband is in your mind on the ballot, but all right.
00:52:36.880He was hugely important to the conservative movement, but he didn't do it by discouraging debate or trying to tell one faction they couldn't or shouldn't say something or not saber rattling on something that was like a sacred cow of the administrations.
00:52:51.700He didn't always do it, but he wanted those discussions to happen.
00:52:57.940I don't think Charlie would be upset about the debate that's generally happening between, say, Tucker and Ben Shapiro right now in Israel.
00:53:05.960He would not like how nasty it's getting.
00:53:08.440You know, he definitely would not support calls to have Tucker, you know, people to stop watching Tucker.
00:53:13.620Ben's not asking for him to be deplatformed, but clearly he wants him cut out of polite conservative movement circles.
00:55:15.640And young Republicans, too, who smelled a rat and just felt like, are we do we have the same thing with this administration as we've had with other administrations, red or blue, where, you know, important people get protected and only people with no connections are left to fry.
00:56:16.260He also suggested he thought that Epstein was a Mossad spy, something I speculated could be true in my own remarks, too.
00:56:23.080I mean, I had no idea, and I made that clear, but to me at the time, it made sense.
00:56:27.800We've since had many discussions about whether it does make sense.
00:56:30.820Alan Dershowitz, who represented Epstein, has said Epstein denied that to him directly, and Alan would have used that if he could have to get him off.
00:56:38.840Ehud Barak has said it wasn't true, and he used to run the IDF in addition to Israel, but he was also extremely close with Epstein.
00:57:09.220This is kind of water under the bridge, but I'm showing it to you for a different purpose.
00:57:12.520Tucker, on that broadcast, said the following about his backstage conversations with Charlie before he went out there.
00:57:20.400Before that speech that I gave in July, we had a conversation about this backstage right before I went on, and I was fulminating and getting all red in the face like I often do to my shame.
00:57:36.460And I was mad thinking about this and thinking about the effort by the neocons in the United States to draw us in to another forever war with Iran.
00:59:04.560I was recently going through some old pictures to find one of me and Charlie that I knew we took at that event.
00:59:11.600And not only did I find pictures of me and Charlie, but I found a video of me, Tucker, and Charlie speaking backstage right before Tucker went out.
01:00:44.740Because he knew there was a faction within the conservative movement that needed a voice.
01:00:50.620They needed somebody to put their thoughts and their complaints and their objections into words in a public setting and not just cede the whole argument to the other side, which has been dominating conservative thought and media forever.
01:01:06.020You know, the Mark Levins of the world.
01:01:07.300And so it's one of the many reasons why I really object to this attempt to otherize, snuff out the voice of Tucker Carlson.
01:01:18.680Charlie knew exactly where Tucker stood on these issues and wanted him, and I quote, to go, Max.
01:01:25.640The answer to what is happening right now on the conservative half of the aisle is not to silence Tucker, to diminish him to the point where he doesn't have followers.
01:01:37.920Not that that's possible, you lunatics, or to try to delegitimize Tucker.
01:01:44.500If anything, Tucker is a remaining voice for Charlie, whose views were changing himself.
01:01:52.520So I have nothing against Ben saying all the things he feels or more neo-conny people feeling that or pro-Israel people saying all.
01:02:01.720I think they should say that, and I understand perfectly where they're coming from.
01:02:05.060But there is another reasoned, passionate point of view, and Tucker represents that.
01:02:11.580And that's what he's been doing on his show.
01:02:13.400It rubbed some people the wrong way, but it didn't rub Charlie the wrong way.
01:02:55.100And also, like we know, even videos of Charlie late in life talking very positively about Israel as well, being very offended by those who were infected by sort of an anti-Semitism woke virus that we know he separated from what Tucker believed.
01:03:13.020Because he wouldn't have wanted Tucker at those events if he thought he was that person.
01:03:18.080And I think like, you know, there's a lot, we've thrown around a lot of names here and, you know, a lot of them I really like, you know, frankly, you know, certainly probably agree with most of them on most of these things that they talk about with some exceptions.
01:03:30.060But like, I think maybe the biggest issue here is, is tonally how we talk about this, because I see this stuff on my feet all the time.
01:03:40.100I follow most of the people we talked about and a lot more that are involved in this conversation.
01:03:44.500And I wonder about the effectiveness of everybody just killing each other.
01:03:49.840Like, you know, everybody hammering each other constantly.
01:04:02.120You, everybody hammering each other all the time with their views.
01:04:05.960And like, I understand these are important and they're passionate topics.
01:04:08.760But one of the things I thought Charlie really brought to the table in this world was the ability to have these conversations respectfully, even when that bridge, he had to bridge large gaps.
01:04:19.760He, I mean, he really was very good at that specific thing, among other things.
01:04:24.740But that conversation that he was able to bring a lot of different people who thought of themselves as conservatives into a very large, you know, tent, if you will, to have those conversations respectfully, but passionately.
01:04:37.980You know, you know, and I know Tucker recently, you know, kind of apologized for the way he framed his comments on Christian Zionists.
01:04:47.260He said he didn't mean it, which by the way, I said, like, I said that, I mean, like I was interviewed by the Daily Mail right after I said, I guarantee you, he did not mean that he hates Christian Zionists because I'm one.
01:05:10.640And I think, you know, and you could tell, like, there's a tonal difference of the way he talked to Ted Cruz and the way he talked to some, you know, some of the other people that I, you know.
01:05:18.040But Ted Cruz in Ferdy was an anti-Semite within the first four minutes of the interview.
01:05:21.000So if you watch that interview, you can see Tucker kind of turn, like, okay.
01:05:50.560But you're able to have normal human conversations.
01:05:53.040This goes back to what we saw, you highlighted earlier with Jimmy Kimmel and his wife.
01:05:57.500Like, if you have a view that everybody who disagrees with you on a topic is just basically subhuman, this is how these problems grow, not contract.
01:06:09.200And, you know, a lot of people I love who are super passionate on both of these sides go at each other in my feed.
01:06:41.840It's hard for me to believe a guy like Tucker, who has really strong views, is going to be won over by people yelling at him on the internet.
01:07:08.240You know, I remember he came back after Russia, and we were like, I don't know, that whole Russia thing, like the grocery stores, do you really believe that?
01:07:14.100And he explained it in a different way than he had initially phrased it.
01:07:18.020And it was – you know, I think we had more in common, though I still would disagree with him on that topic.
01:07:24.200Like, you can have conversations with that, and people can be moved.
01:07:27.960That's how you actually can win people over.
01:07:30.140If you scream at them, if you just call them names, you get nowhere with them, especially with a person like Tucker, who's been doing this his entire life.
01:08:00.580It's also a leftist tactic to try to make somebody say something, which is also being done to me, and all the more reason why I just won't.
01:08:08.280You know, I've said before, like, I'm not going to go after Tucker.
01:09:06.000Now, wait, but I want to get back to the Tucker thing because it's also true that Charlie hated Nick Fuentes, and Nick Fuentes hated Charlie.
01:09:15.420And Charlie definitely did not want to see Nick Fuentes platformed or in any way emerging as, like, a reasonable figure in, you know, polite society.
01:09:24.660And I'm sure he would not have liked the fact that Tucker interviewed him at first.
01:09:30.020And he probably would have sent Tucker a text saying, like, why?
01:09:33.380But I do believe once explained to Charlie why he might have softened on it.
01:09:40.620And even if he didn't, he had nothing but respect for Tucker.
01:11:25.020He was trying to corner him into certain positions.
01:11:26.860And I like that Tucker approach at times, particularly when – he does it certainly with people on the left.
01:11:31.660But there's a good part of me that would have loved to have seen that approach with him going after Nick Fuentes in that way for some of those crazy –
01:11:37.940But if the goal were, as I said, would that have been useful?
01:11:40.400Well, yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to say because I – as someone who's been in this conservative media space for a while, I know a lot of conservative media executives who have –
01:11:50.660There is a – among the younger conservative set, there is a group of people that I – and I've heard some of these executives describe it this way – of people who are – they were worried about they might get lost.
01:12:06.300They might go down the road of real anti-Semitism.
01:12:10.240And they are being sucked in by some of these online forces we discussed earlier.
01:12:15.720And there is an opportunity with a person like that, especially as they're developing and they're trying to find their way.
01:12:21.380We all have views that are way different than we did at 20 and 22 and 23.
01:12:25.240And the way the media has worked is it's launched a lot of these people through social media into people that have audiences of millions and millions of people who get rewarded with the stronger and more outlandish and more controversial takes that they have.
01:12:43.440I was all about antagonizing everybody when I was 20 years old.
01:12:47.520Like I thought the funniest thing in the world whenever I could say something that would piss somebody off.
01:12:53.620But that – when I was in that growing up like and coming of age politically and as an adult, like you struggle with that stuff.
01:13:03.720And I've known people who are in the conservative media who have looked and targeted people and said, this person is really talented and they have great views, but I'm worried about where they will go.
01:13:31.900I've never sensed from him this, you know, this terrible human being that I see described.
01:13:38.060He seems to be thoughtful, but he is in an interesting place.
01:13:41.780Like some of the stuff, you know, some of the content that he does is not – it's not – I like the Cato era Tucker maybe a little bit more, but that doesn't mean that, you know, everyone gets angry and throws everybody out of the movement.
01:13:52.720It's much more effective to talk to people.
01:13:54.720As you mentioned, probably what Charlie would have done is send a text and say, hey, I don't know.
01:14:00.260He didn't do it when Charlie, you know, was around, so we don't know.
01:14:03.360But I think that there is a line that we can kind of – we can all see and at the very least shouldn't unite us to resist what the left is trying to do to us with all of this.
01:14:48.760I have so many wonderful, like, suffering Jewish friends who really are desperate themselves to see Israel out of the news.
01:14:57.280They don't want Israel or their religion being bandied about and discussed and debated.
01:15:04.700It's like they just want to go back to being, like, normal, private people whose connection to Israel, if they have one, or whose religion isn't constantly being debated.
01:15:13.600And who aren't seeing their fellow Jewish people get murdered on American streets, like we saw in Washington, D.C., not to mention the pain that the whole thing with 10-7 and the two years that followed has caused them.
01:15:26.700And then people on the other side who have just, you know, they've had it.
01:15:29.620They don't want to see any more risk come by America getting sucked into foreign conflicts, like we saw with Iran and so on.
01:15:35.340It's like this thing just needs to end.
01:15:47.860And Tucker apparently asked Mark Levin to debate him at the Turning Point event, or so says Mark Levin.
01:16:00.520Mark Levin went public with, by reading Tucker's texts saying, you know, he asked me to do this thing with him.
01:16:07.940And then just went off about how, over his dead body, would he ever share the stage with this disgusting anti-Semite and, like, just a vile attack on Tucker, whom he's literally been comparing to a Nazi.
01:16:24.980And I just think this is, like, this is so far beyond.
01:16:30.720We just finished, like, a several-year period where we tried to make clear to the left that those terms are not acceptable in the public dialogue.
01:19:43.160And why is he sounding like a leftist shill with his rhetoric, just trying to dismiss people as, like, these horrible, bigoted people who I need to be.
01:19:50.540You can't even stand next to them on a stage.
01:19:52.360Stu, this is not good for America First or the conservative movement, and it's mana from heaven for progressives.
01:20:01.580Yeah, it's, you know, look, you know, Mark is on Blaze TV.
01:20:08.660We have people who are very much opposed to Mark also at Blaze TV.
01:20:13.200You know, we, it is a, you know, conservative movement has a wide mind on this.
01:20:18.900And I agree with you, like, I don't, you know, I think the debate would be great.
01:20:23.920I'd actually really like to see a debate between Mark and Tucker.
01:20:26.780I think that would be actually really interesting.
01:20:28.880And, you know, I agree, as I stated, I think tonally that it's not a helpful, helpful approach.
01:20:34.300I understand, you know, there is a real concern, especially by people who have, you know, put a lot of thought into what has happened over history when it comes to this particular issue.
01:20:44.440You really want to make sure you don't go down these roads.
01:20:47.600And I, you know, as you pointed out, like, I don't think there's any, I don't think there's any value in hearing Nick Fuentes' thoughts on these things personally.
01:20:55.900I know, you know, Ben Shapiro for, I remember what year it was, he was the victim of the most attacks on his, you know, racial or anti-Semitic or, you know, religious-based attacks on the internet.
01:21:09.520He was the biggest victim of that for a time.
01:21:12.880From the alt-right, which is the Fontes crew.
01:21:16.880And so, like, I can see he's probably legitimately spent millions of dollars on security to protect his life and his family's life because of these threats.
01:21:27.460So I get why the passions can be really high on this.
01:21:30.320I don't know that any of that, you know, I think a reasoned debate between people who are in the movement, it can be really helpful and doesn't escalate this stuff.
01:21:43.980That's the stuff that I think Charlie was trying to put together.
01:21:46.400I think Charlie would have loved an event where those two guys argued those things.
01:21:50.680So I think that would be a great event.
01:21:52.440Maybe, you know, maybe Mark will change his mind.
01:21:58.320But I think that everyone's been, and I've watched, I think, in the past, you know, debate-type conversations between Ben and Tucker where they've had, you know, conversations about, you know, capitalism and really important things.
01:22:10.580Having just come off a week of talking to them both for hours, I don't feel so great about it.
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01:27:50.740So that's eight, 16, 24 pages later is where he said the thing about we fight like hell.
01:27:57.320They took those two bits of tape, butted them together as though it was a stream of consciousness by Donald Trump in an effort to make it look like he was calling for violence.
01:28:08.700It is by any measure grossly unethical, a cardinal sin of journalism.
01:28:15.940Even a first year reporter knows you don't do that.
01:28:19.060But if it's, it's dicey, even if in the same answer, let's say the answer is a paragraph long and it has five sentences, it's dicey even to take sentence one and butt it with sentence five.
01:28:31.300But you can do it if two, three, and four kind of suck and they were stumbling and it's the same point.
01:28:37.560But you go 24 pages later to pull the most incendiary thing he said and plop it up against the beginning to make it look like he called for violence.
01:28:48.280And you are 100 percent going to get sued for defamation because you have violated somebody's rights.
01:28:56.460And that's what's about to happen to the BBC.
01:29:01.460I want a retraction and I want a big fat check or I'm going to sue you for a billion dollars later this week.
01:29:11.000The BBC, understanding he's got them by the balls, gave one of those things, an apology, not a retraction, not a check.
01:29:22.220But the two top officials of the BBC have voluntarily stepped down.
01:29:28.100They're both gone, which is extraordinary, by the way.
01:29:31.080They've been through some other scandals lately, too.
01:29:33.440But they're both gone now in response to all of this.
01:29:37.040So even they recognize this is a big effing deal, to quote Joe Biden.
01:29:42.740Your thoughts on the egregiousness of this, I don't even want to say mistake, behavior?
01:29:49.560Yeah, I mean, far more egregious than anything that he's, I think, even sued these American companies over.
01:29:56.960I mean, that is blatantly trying to mislead your audience into thinking he said something that he didn't say.
01:30:03.740You know, we've seen some of that here.
01:30:05.380You know, the thing that the fine people on both sides debate was an interesting version of this where you saw a lot of editing out of not the Nazis, not those people, but just taking these clips immediately out of the speech and claiming he said something else.
01:30:26.700He keeps winning over and over again because I think there was a little bit of a change in the media from at least when I started in it where it was always left wing.
01:30:38.600There was always people out there who were left wing and they were left leaning people that made left leaning decisions and promoted claims that phrased them and frame them in ways that I didn't like.
01:30:47.540I think with Donald Trump, you can call it TDS if you want Trump derangement syndrome.
01:30:52.760But I think more central to that, there's this idea on the left that this these times are too serious.
01:30:59.040We can't we those old rules of journalism cannot be respected anymore because this is too much.
01:31:09.880And we I think he saw that with a Hunter Biden laptop story, frankly, when when they you know, I think normally in the past it would be they bring up Hunter Biden.
01:31:16.780They would say that, you know, it was misleading or maybe fake and that was it.
01:31:20.540They just didn't tell anybody about it at all.
01:31:22.760They acted as if it didn't even exist.
01:31:25.480They were so focused and became the activists inside of them instead of left wing people doing journalism with some sort of loose respect for those rules.
01:31:37.700And what makes it incredibly dangerous if you happen to be the BBC is they don't have the First Amendment protections that that most of our media do.
01:31:47.400I mean, I think you can argue even with the cases where these companies in the U.S.
01:31:52.620have stepped up and said, OK, like we're going to donate to your presidential museum or whatever it is, because we don't want to go down this road, admitting that they made mistakes and did things that were wrong.
01:32:04.840They still had First Amendment protections.
01:32:06.720And I think some of them may have actually still won in court if it had gone all the way down the road just because we really do prioritize free speech here.
01:34:14.860That was removed to try to make him sound like he was trying to incite, I-N-C-I-T-E, violence.
01:34:22.100This is the same dishonest news organization that about a year ago still ran this clip, which is making another resurgence right now on X for obvious reasons.
01:34:34.480Now, transgender woman's milk is just as good for babies as breast milk.
01:34:44.760That's according to a letter from the medical director at University Hospital Sussex NHS Foundation Trust.
01:34:51.300The claim was made as part of a response against campaign groups.
01:34:55.080The trust referred to studies and the World Health Organization guidance, including one case which found what it called no observable effects in babies fed by induced lactation.
01:35:05.300You're a disgusting fool who doesn't know what the fuck she's saying.
01:35:10.100No skepticism whatsoever that trans milk, meaning a man who jacks himself up on hormones such that his chest can produce something that resembles some sort of fluid.
01:35:22.520That's just as good for a baby as breast milk.
01:36:35.660We all are very familiar with the things that he says in the arguments around it and the fact that they thought that they could get away with it.
01:36:40.860I mean, maybe it's because they thought their audience wasn't as engaged in American politics.
01:36:44.560And this is an easy way to paint the president because it probably agrees with a lot of the people watching over there.
01:36:51.540But, you know, over here, you can't get away with that stuff, I don't think.
01:36:57.160I think, you know, it's one of the things that because I have some sensitivity.
01:37:01.100I think you probably do as well, Megan, when it comes to, you know, a president of the United States going after media corporations and saying, hey, you know, you lied about me.
01:37:09.960Because, you know, Obama would say that about us and Biden, I'm sure, probably did say that about us.
01:37:19.600But the fact that he's been able to highlight these examples that are really egregious and hold these places accountable, I think might at least give them hesitation.
01:37:28.240I don't need them to have the exact analysis I have or that you have about every issue.
01:37:32.380I kind of expect them to be off the rails and to the left.
01:38:35.700It recently drastically expanded its footprint into the United States through a partnership with PBS.
01:38:41.180Its website attracts more than 60 million monthly visitors from America.
01:38:45.320It is widely viewed by American viewers as impartial and authoritative.
01:38:51.460They go on to write the British know better, and they write about the number of examples of people who have complained about the BBC, have objected, have stopped paying that licensure fee as part of their taxes because they just will not support it.
01:39:06.980And they go on to reference this case that we talked about a couple days ago of Martine Kroxal, who corrected her BBC script, which read something about pregnant people and changed it to they mean women, who just got in trouble with the BBC.
01:39:24.960Their executive complaints unit found that she had broken the BBC's impartiality rules by explaining that pregnant people means women.
01:39:36.980But you can say that chest feeding out of a man's chest is just as healthy as women's breastfeeding.
01:39:44.680And you can say that Trump called for violence and take soundbites an hour apart and butt them together like that sat there for a year and they would have gotten away with it.
01:39:54.820Had this whistleblower not come forward.
01:39:56.720This is a disgusting, disgraceful, dishonest organization, Stu.
01:40:00.600Like this is just as bad as anything we've seen here domestically.
01:40:03.720Yeah, I mean, I think that example is as bad or worse than anything we've seen.
01:40:08.540I think it also highlights a very interesting thing if they're coming here into the United States, which is a I think a real problem with American culture in that we are very susceptible to British accents.
01:40:20.180When we hear a British accent, we automatically find it credible.
01:40:34.060I do think that that is the – when you come to perception, I mean the American people know very little about what the coverage of the BBC is.
01:40:40.580I mean I've watched their climate coverage for years.