00:00:00.560Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.260Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:15.280Maureen Callahan will be here in just a bit, but we've got to start with something stunning happening in Iran right now.
00:00:23.560Multiple news organizations confirming that a U.S. fighter jet has crashed in Iran and that a search and rescue mission is now underway for the two-person crew.
00:00:33.940To our listening audience, we're showing you video right now from Iran verified by CNN that shows U.S. aircraft that's part of the search for the missing Americans.
00:00:45.080Both Axios and The New York Times reporting that officials believe Iranian forces shot down the jet.
00:00:51.200And The Washington Post reports that the aircraft is believed to be an Air Force F-15E.
00:00:56.220The fate of the crew remains unclear, but Israel's Channel 12 is reporting that one of the crew members has been successfully rescued.
00:01:08.800They are they are citing, quote, Western sources for their information.
00:01:13.620But as of this hour, 1201 Eastern, that's not been confirmed by the American press.
00:01:19.960CNN is also airing this image of an ejection seat on the ground in Iran, citing Iranian state media.
00:01:28.180You can see it looks like a parachute is attached to what appears to be the pilot's chair or the co-pilot's chair.
00:01:37.140can't tell. This picture from the Iranian state media as well, of a partially destroyed wing of
00:01:44.000an F-15. It's also been circulating online. According now to multiple reports,
00:01:51.360you can see it right there, an anchor on Iran's state television read a statement calling on
00:01:58.580residents to help capture the downed Americans and turn them over to security forces for a reward.
00:02:05.420In other words, there's now a bounty on the head of the Americans inside of Iran.
00:02:12.320I thought we were supposed to be helping these people.
00:02:14.960I thought we were supposed to be greeted as liberators.
00:02:18.300I thought the vast majority of the Iranians were happy we were there.
00:02:21.900Why is it now so apparently the hatred widespread that a news anchor there is comfortable saying,
00:02:28.380yeah, work to find the pilot, there's a bounty on his head, and turn him over to the Iranian guard.
00:02:36.880Not like, shelter them, hide them, till we can get them back to the Americans.
00:02:43.480There are also reports that Iranian state media is encouraging residents to shoot at search and rescue operations personnel.
00:02:52.060So our guys who are now over there in helicopters trying to perform the rescue may be getting shot at as they encourage residents to take up arms against us.
00:03:04.460Again, I thought we were going to be treated as liberators.
00:03:09.520According to the New York Post, the Iranians are claiming that the Revolutionary Guards, quote, their newly developed and advanced air defenses are what downed this jet, which they report is, quote, completely destroyed.
00:03:24.480Now, assuming all of this is true and we don't have any official confirmation at this time, I mean, trying to piece information together out of Iran right now is like trying to staple jello.
00:03:34.720It's just very difficult and not trustworthy.
00:03:38.200But we do trust CNN's reporting on an American military jet going down.
00:03:43.660But this would be the first time that Iran has downed a U.S. aircraft inside the country since the war began.
00:03:49.320This morning on Truth Social, President Trump again commenting, not on this yet, but on the Strait of Hormuz, with new messaging.
00:03:58.460I mean we think it's hard to decipher what he means writing quote with a little more time
00:04:07.560we can easily open the Hormuz straight who is we we don't know take the oil and make a fortune
00:04:15.040it would be a gusher for the world three question marks signed President Donald J. Trump I genuinely
00:04:21.560do not know what he means does he mean we the United States because he just said the other
00:04:26.540night in his remarks that it will open up as soon as we leave, suggesting it's up to the people who
00:04:33.660rely on the oil coming out of the strait to get it back open. And the president's suggesting as
00:04:38.460soon as we, the people who are bombing Iran, leave Iran, that will happen. But now he's saying we
00:04:44.840will open the strait and create a gusher for the world. Take the oil, take whose oil? What do you
00:04:50.700mean? Like I, this is just, this is no way to communicate war strategy, war thoughts, war
00:04:56.980plans, war considerations that he wants our input on, that he wants to test. Obviously he wants a
00:05:03.220reaction from the public very clearly. And I'm sure lots of us would like to give one, but how
00:05:09.460can we, uh, based on that? It's, it's just, I think I, I speak Trump pretty well, uh, been covering
00:05:16.980the president very, very closely for more than 10 years now, more like 20 when he wasn't president
00:05:23.000too. And I don't understand what he's saying there. And so I'm sure I'm not alone. Look that
00:05:27.960the top thing right now is not the Trump tweet. It is our guys, our fighter pilots, um, one,
00:05:34.060potentially two who are down in Iran and possibly one recovered again, not yet confirmed. One
00:05:40.660Israeli outlet is reporting that. Joining me now for a reaction is Wiz Buckley. He's a former
00:05:49.620Top Gun pilot and founder of the No Fallen Heroes and Sacred Warrior Fellowship. He's here along
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00:07:29.280let's go 100,000 foot first of all. This could have been a mechanical issue. I had a right
00:07:35.420engine fail in my F-18 in an Operation Southern Watch no-fly zone mission over Iraq. I couldn't
00:07:40.800limp all the way back to the carrier. I barely made it to Kuwait International. So this could
00:07:46.220have been a mechanical issue. Of course, Iran's going to claim no matter what that they shot one
00:07:50.700of our aircraft down. So it could be mechanical. Something else. You just showed a video of our
00:07:56.740CSAR, right, Combat Search and Rescue. There was an HC-130, and it looked like two of the
00:08:02.300Jolly Greens, the HH-60s, refueling from the wings. So the vaunted Iranian air defense,
00:08:10.720they would not be flying at that low of an altitude if we did not have air superiority.
00:08:16.140So again, you know, the first casualty in combat is the truth.
00:08:20.040Let me just ask you, sorry to interrupt, Wiz, but even if our guys are down, like even if we're
00:08:25.540looking for downed American pilots? Well, they would be. They would be down at that altitude,
00:08:30.280but if the Iranian air defenses were so great and their AAA anti-aircraft artillery, those are
00:08:35.320sitting ducks, right? So I'm leaning towards mechanical, but it doesn't matter at this point
00:08:41.460if they did get shot down. The instant that that air crew ejected, Megan, a well-oiled machine
00:08:48.220kicks into operation. These CSAR, the Combat Search and Rescue Forces of the United States
00:08:53.680Air Force are some of the most elite on the face of this planet. They train for years for this exact
00:09:00.200scenario. They've been sitting around for the past month, and when that alarm sounded, a well-oiled
00:09:06.260machine kicked off. An HH, you know, C-130 got airborne to be able to tank and provide command
00:09:12.580and control. They also have PJs, pararescue airmen on board, to jump out of the aircraft.
00:09:18.200then the Jolly Greens launch, and then the A-10s, the Sandys, we call them, to provide
00:09:24.060air-to-ground surface fire. And then we also have drones. So this is a well-oiled machine,
00:09:31.800Megan. I guarantee you these folks are in pretty good hands. Let me be clear to the Iranians.
00:09:38.500If you do capture an air crew, the Geneva Convention applies. If one hair on their head
00:09:46.060is harmed. If you think President Trump is upset now, just wait until something like that happens.
00:09:51.700So this is a well-oiled machine, Megan, in process. The fact that they already potentially
00:09:56.380rescued one of the aircrew is a good sign because when you pull the ejection handle in a two-seat
00:10:01.120aircraft, in the blink of an eye, it's about a second, both aircrew are out of that aircraft
00:10:06.140and in parachutes. So depending on the winds, they probably landed in close to the same area.
00:10:12.780So our our force is nowhere to look. But thoughts and prayers go out to the air crew and obviously the families who who got a phone call or a knock on the door.
00:10:21.880Let's pray they come home safe. Oh, God. Oh, my God.
00:10:25.480I mean, I wonder, do they let the families know that quickly that their that their loved one is involved in this particular?
00:10:32.140There's a whole I'm not going to dig too deep into what happens on the on that side, Megan.
00:10:37.060But let's just say on the squadron level, we are fully prepared for all of this.
00:10:41.880As an aviator, I'm fully prepared, as Jason can attest to.
00:10:45.580When he gives his brief, we go through SEER, survival, evasion, resistance, escape training.
00:10:50.920We have all sorts of secret squirrel code words and radios and all sorts of stuff.
00:10:55.620I'm going to leave that aside until these aircrew are brought back safe.
00:11:09.600I mean, Jason, for the civilians who just care about the troops, it's scary, right?
00:11:13.700Because it's like the last thing you want is one of our guys winding up in the hands of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and having to rely on the Geneva Convention.
00:11:22.460Like, I, you know, I wouldn't put my money on any honor amongst these guys.
00:11:30.600But yeah, so as a professional soldier, I guess you look at it a little differently.
00:11:36.140Yeah, Megan, 100 percent. First off, thanks for having me on.
00:11:38.620My thoughts and prayers to not only the pilots and their families, but to the Seasar crews that are now launching on what they do best.
00:11:46.900And Wiz is 100 percent right. These guys and gals, they've trained for years.
00:11:51.840That package, once it launches, if we didn't already have some high level of air superiority,
00:11:57.220We've even we've we've upped the ante exponentially and the levels of jamming and things we're doing that package that launch wasn't just the CSAR package.
00:12:05.520It was self. It was layers upon layers of aircraft and electronic warfare that has penetrated into Iran to get our guys, depending on where they landed, is going to depend on the capabilities of the guys to get on the ground and obviously put that security around them and then bring in our aircraft to extract them.
00:12:25.240We've got to evaluate, are they injured? What is their level of mobility? What they can do? What level of denied area? Are they in an area that's heavily controlled by the RGC or are they in more of a rural area?
00:12:37.180And then, Megan, it's going to go back to what you stated at the beginning.
00:12:43.500Nothing, nothing Iran puts out is fact.
00:12:48.880Everything that they are playing a very high stakes game of information warfare.
00:12:53.220But the problem is, is the IRGC now controls the country.
00:13:00.140And I made this statement at CPAC last weekend.
00:13:02.660And for anyone who has ever questioned our Second Amendment rights and the ability of American citizens to have weapons and what the original intent of our founding fathers was, it was the last check and balance against a tyrannical government.
00:13:14.940So for citizens in a nation that don't have weapons, there's no way for them to stand up and resist.
00:13:21.540So what's happening is there's massive amounts of pressure from within Iran and within the IRGC.
00:13:26.940So I guarantee even if that news anchor was sympathetic to America and she would like to see this diehard regime overthrown, she is or he, I'm not sure which, is receiving so much pressure.
00:13:40.820I guarantee their families are being threatened.
00:13:43.260If there is any signs of resistance, they're snuffing them out.
00:13:46.600So, of course, he or she is going to say, hey, because that is the messaging.
00:13:50.940I was reading earlier that Iran is prepping for a ground invasion, and they're doing it in a way, they're forcing citizens into positions to fight.
00:14:04.020Children as young as 12 years old, I was reading that there's kids that have been killed in IRGC checkpoints because they're being placed in harm's way into the war zone.
00:14:13.440So make no mistake. I think the majority of Iranian citizens are sympathetic. They want freedom. They want to change. And I think that they would protect our citizens if they're given the opportunity. Of course, the messaging coming from the leadership is going to be turn these people over and you need to step up and support the IRGC.
00:14:36.080and make it real real quick just to be clear i'll give it back to you in one second whiz but just
00:14:42.220fyi uh axios the new york times and cnn are all reporting that the jet was shot down so you know
00:14:49.260that's those are three relatively solid american sources i mean it's it's a thing the thing about
00:14:54.700media bias right now is you have to be there are certain things you can and you cannot trust the
00:14:59.900media for if there's a massive weather story you know you can read the new york times just fine
00:15:04.160like like hurricane hits Florida. You can trust what they're going to report as soon as it veers
00:15:08.840into anything political or that might reflect poorly on the Trump administration. You've got
00:15:12.880to have your hefty dose of skepticism on on basic war reporting about our military fighter pilots.
00:15:18.360I trust these guys not to misreport the facts as they know them beyond that, like how it reflects
00:15:24.120on the Trump administration. No, not at all. But in any event, if Axios, New York Times and CNN are
00:15:28.760reporting shot down, I tend to believe it more. But to your point, Wiz, who knows? I mean, it's
00:15:32.940no matter what, best case scenario, fog of war. But what do you think about the fact that
00:15:37.720we got the one guy, Wiz, and not the other? Great question. Before I answer that,
00:15:43.160just to piggyback on what Jason said, and this is public information so I can talk about it.
00:15:47.880When I flew combat sorties over Iraq, Megan, we had what's called a bloodshed. It wasn't even a
00:15:55.060piece of paper. It was like some sort of material that was waterproof, and you couldn't even rip it.
00:15:59.660So we would, it said on it that you could, and you handed this, it had Farsi, I don't even know how many other languages were on this, Megan, but it had Farsi in all the languages of the region, and it said, and I'm going to paraphrase, I'm an American flyer, I mean you no harm, if you return me to friendly forces, you'll get a thousand gold coins, whatever it said, Megan.
00:16:25.180But to Jason's point, not everybody in Iran is going to hate a U.S. aviator.
00:16:31.000If anything, they might be sheltering that person.
00:16:33.580And knowing the United States and Israel, we're going to hook those people up that helped us air crews.
00:16:38.720So, you know, obviously, if they parachuted right into an IRGC compound or a police headquarters, it's going to be a different story here.
00:16:47.240But we do carry things on there that say to talk to locals like, hey, here, if you can help me evade, your reward's going to be huge.
00:16:56.700And again, Megan, again, with the shoot down at this point, I really don't care, to be honest with you, if it was shot down or if it was a mechanical issue.
00:17:03.920If it were shot down, let's take this to the next point.
00:17:42.080If there's going to be a lucky shot, there's going to be a lucky shot.
00:17:44.420This is combat. We you will never have 90. You'll never have 100 percent.
00:17:49.220But having greater than 90 percent air superiority actually moves you into air dominance.
00:17:53.680So I get it. It can be a propaganda win. But OK, so now you're winning and we should surrender because you got a lucky shot on a strike eagle.
00:18:02.700And again, Megan, I don't know if those sources are reporting from, hey, we heard this from the Pentagon or we're still going on Iranian media that we shot this thing down.
00:18:11.060I'll trust they wouldn't go off of Iranian media without reporting.
00:18:14.020Well, you know who I'm going to believe, Megan?
00:18:16.540A man I've known for over 20 years who's a great American is Raisin.
00:18:19.500I know Dan Cain, and when he comes to a microphone and a podium and tells us what happened, I'm going to believe that.
00:18:26.760Yeah, they're citing U.S. sources, all of these American publications, but, you know, we'll see.
00:18:32.960How about the fact that – what do you make of the fact – I'll go with you, Jason, on this – that they found the one, but they didn't find the other?
00:18:43.040I mean, I guess that's somewhat promising because now Americans like they're back in the in the hands of the good guys, the one pilot, because that guy's going to have a whole host of information, right, that potentially could help them find the other.
00:18:55.820And I'm sure they've got some sort of mathematicians doing the physical, like the crunching the numbers in terms of the geography and what the radius might be for recovery of the other guy.
00:19:06.360Yeah, 100 percent, Megan. Although I don't know. Yes. The pilot, they recover. And the question
00:19:13.800is, is he back in the hands of the Americans or right now? Was it Israeli forces on the ground
00:19:19.720who actually swooped in? No, it says U.S. forces rescued one crew member.
00:19:23.160Awesome. They will know. But I will say this. I've never ejected from a jet in flight. I do
00:19:29.700know it's incredibly violent. I don't know, Wiz, if you have. The question becomes what level
00:20:56.600So depending on where they ejected and how they ejected,
00:20:59.820there could be a great level of separation between these pilots.
00:21:02.600So where one landed may be in an easier area to get to them, and where another landed, it could be separated by a couple thousand yards or even more.
00:21:13.340That's the reality, depending on the winds and how they ejected.
00:21:52.720Are they you know, they could be on the ground injured someplace and we're pinging off signaling devices to find them and get to them and lock them down.
00:22:02.220So all those things are happening right now.
00:22:04.980Yeah. Hey, Megan, the I just want to say before I go back to ways it just just to remind our audience,
00:22:09.900Jason knows what he is talking about, that anybody with a machine gun can can take down a jet because he was shot by a machine gun serving in Fallujah seven times,
00:22:18.200resulting in 37 surgeries, 1,200 stitches.
00:22:22.100And you are the one who wrote the infamous sign
00:24:35.400So, Wiz, this just hitting, this just hitting, CNN reporting on the rescue of the one crew member, two of the sources said the pilot was alive in U.S. custody and receiving medical treatment.
00:24:51.500So alive and receiving medical treatment.
00:24:53.160We don't know the exact status, but let's hope that if it were severe injuries, that would have been in the report.
00:24:58.480So if that is the pilot, so now we're looking for the WISO, the weapons systems operator, the person in the backseat.
00:25:05.940And as we talked about with ejection, you're going from this.
00:25:09.160You're going from zero wind and airspeed, and you're going into hundreds of miles of wind blasts.
00:25:15.700If you're ever zipping down a highway and you decide to stick your hand out the window, just multiply that by a factor of four or five.
00:25:22.240And as Jason, you know, alluded to, if they did get hit by a surface air missile or AAA and they were in some sort of spin, you know, it was a movie.
00:25:31.720But, you know, for example, the F-14 Tomcat goose hitting the canopy, you might be out of position in order to eject.
00:25:38.140We'd love to be in the perfect body position to eject, you know, you know, thighs against the seat, you know, chin 10 degrees up your chin in.
00:25:46.740They talk you through the perfect ejection position, but if you're out of control and there's things and there's fire and you're out of position, you're just reaching down to that ejection handle.
00:25:59.420That's your choice at that point, and clearly they pulled.
00:26:02.620So it is an absolutely violent experience, and most people I know who have ejected, they're a couple inches shorter, and it takes a little while to get back on the horse and get back in the airplane.
00:26:26.920Like, if they get an American co-pilot, they have to know, do they not, that executing him would take this thing to an entirely different level?
00:26:39.620and you want to get like the support of the American people behind a war that's flagging
00:26:44.520in its numbers over here, do something like that. Right. I mean, how does that how do you
00:26:49.100think it plays in the mind of the enemy if they do have our our second guy? First off, Megan,
00:26:54.020I don't think there's any sort of rational thinking that's going with the Iranian IRGC.
00:26:59.320I do. I do. I question some of the reasoning that led up to our strikes. And don't get me
00:27:09.040wrong. Iran has been a thorn in our side for 50 years. I lost guys on my deployment directly
00:27:15.580related to Iranian EFPs. July 6, 2007, we had three of our guys killed by this. We knew that
00:27:24.880there were Quds Force commanders that were operating within Iraq while we were there on
00:27:29.540the ground. So I am a huge fan of finally getting rid of this tyrannical regime that has killed off
00:27:36.480thousands and thousands of their citizens. The Geneva Convention and the law of armed conflict
00:27:43.880mean nothing to them. These are the same people that prior to us going in were killing off their
00:27:48.880citizens because they were rising up against this regime. So what will the Iranians do?
00:27:55.540I don't know. Everything they're doing is calculated on they want to get the American
00:28:00.780people in the world to decide that this war is too costly to continue to fight. They're in pure
00:28:07.720survival mode is the reality. So are they honestly going to make a logical decision if they get their
00:28:14.020hands on it? They want this pilot. I'll tell you that right now, because it becomes a massive
00:28:18.900political play if they can get their hands on them. And if they feel like it serves their
00:28:23.240interests to execute him, to create more dissent against this war and ending this war,
00:28:30.820they 100% will do it. I don't trust the Iranians for anything, which further leads me to my
00:28:37.400belief that many people disagree with what has been done cannot be undone. President Trump and
00:28:44.740Secretary Hegseth must finish this. And the American people I know don't want this. I mean,
00:28:49.180I just built up this morning. It was over $4 a gallon. But I am willing to sacrifice in the
00:28:55.620short term so that my grandson doesn't have to fight against the Iranians two decades from now.
00:29:02.620So many Americans are so quick to sacrifice their future because they're a little uncomfortable
00:29:12.640right now. And this is where I think Americans need to step up and recognize the threat that
00:29:17.620Iran has posed against the U.S. for 50 years. And make no mistake, if you think they're chanting
00:29:24.340death to America now in the IRGC, they are so committed now to get their hands on nuclear,
00:29:32.200biological, chemical, because they recognize the only way they can survive is to have these
00:29:37.180threats against us for the future. Go ahead, Wiz. Megan, it's interesting because, you know,
00:29:44.600I'm old enough to remember Desert Storm and, you know, an A-6 guy.
00:29:48.760He was a bombardier navigator, Jeffrey Zahn, that famous image of his face all black and blue and bloodied.
00:29:55.560And you could hear the Iranian captors like, hey, what, you know, doing all that stuff.
00:30:00.080That's why we've kind of moved closer and closer to drone warfare, because it's like, hey, let's send a million dollar drone.
00:31:06.440I can almost guarantee you, you know, Raisin and the secretary and the president, they just have to sit back at this moment and let the tactical folks out on the tip of the spear get it done.
00:31:21.060It's like my audience knows I've got real questions about the wisdom of this war.
00:31:25.580And I completely take everything you said in good faith.
00:31:27.760Jason, you have more than your right to your opinion.
00:31:31.000You've actually been fighting, unlike me, in these wars.
00:31:34.480But no one would ever question the incredible prowess of our troops, the ability, the commitment, the patriotism, the training, all of which is kicking in right now.
00:31:45.960And we're all in complete agreement that we want our troops saved, rescued, not a hair on their head, harmed.
00:31:53.560And that if it's a fair fight between that guy who we're still looking for and the Iranians, you take the Americans 10 times out of 10.
00:32:01.340We've just got to hope for the best here.
00:32:03.220And I, I, I take comfort knowing that they've trained for it was everything you just said
00:32:08.100made me feel better about our chances.
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00:42:11.380He says, it's almost an attempt to like, when you, when you actually eat food, you get
00:42:17.080proteins a little bit in the corners of the mouth.
00:42:19.500And so the tongue is sort of doing this, it's like a cleaning, grooming, whereas I posited to him that I thought of, I immediately thought of the phrase licking one's chops.
00:42:31.300Like she was licking her lips over the delicacy that was Savannah's anguish.
00:42:37.420Yes, because she was thrilled to be on camera.
00:42:39.200She was thrilled to be at the center of the story.
00:42:41.820Here, I think it's 14, we have a montage of some weird Hoda moments throughout this interview.
00:44:07.480there's no tears. And they're like, you use that term sometimes, vocal fry, like the fake,
00:44:13.760the fake, Maureen, how are you? It's Jenna Bush Hager is also a prime offender. She's been trying
00:44:20.360to squeeze out a lot of tears on the ramp up. And they've admitted they haven't even been talking
00:44:26.200to her. Who are they kidding? If this is a dear friend about whose situation you're genuinely
00:44:31.980distraught, you probably would have spoken to her in the seven weeks her mom was missing,
00:44:38.080but they admitted that they haven't. I don't know what to say to it. You know,
00:44:43.500I was listening to you breaking apart the Hoda one-on-one with Savannah from like a journalistic
00:44:50.300standpoint, all of the malpractice committed in that interview. Yes. The lack of a follow-up on
00:44:56.480Why did you believe two of those ransom notes were real, the others not?
00:45:01.060And because I was really trying to figure out why Savannah would allow Hoda, who was exhibiting nothing but glee at being back in that chair.
00:45:10.340She was happy to be back in that chair.
00:45:11.900If it had to be Savannah's tragedy that put her there, you break a few eggs, you know.
00:45:18.520But I thought about it, and I think it might be that Savannah knew of the meager talent on that bench, Hoda would be the least likely to either have the capacity or inclination to ask follow-ups.
00:45:31.760That's very true, because I was told by somebody who was well-known in the producing staff there that all Hoda ever does is ask the questions that are given to her.
00:45:43.000She doesn't do the real journalism thing.
00:45:45.080That's why they like her over there, the producing staff, because she'll just ask whatever questions are put in front of her.
00:45:49.580And I'm sure they all say Savannah is the boss.
00:45:51.760And so I'm sure they went over all of this in advance and she accepted, like, these are the questions that I'll be asked.
00:45:56.820A real journalist wouldn't accept that.
00:45:58.340A real journalist would say, I'm going to ask my own questions.
00:46:00.660I've told the story before, but when I was there, I came from Fox and cable news where you don't – producers don't do anything like that for you.
00:46:12.540And, I mean, cable news anchors, I think, are much more facile at real live interviews and discussions because they don't have somebody writing questions for them.
00:46:21.400And they were shocked at NBC when I went there and I wanted to ask my own questions to the point where one person who had come from Al Jazeera reported me to HR because I wouldn't ask her questions.
00:46:32.920And, by the way, it was on a Supreme Court story.
00:46:35.620This woman was – I mean, she didn't work the high court.
00:46:50.460She knew, Savannah knew that, you know, she could make sure that Hoda wouldn't go off the script, wouldn't ask anything follow up in the moment.
00:46:57.020Like, yeah, why did you believe the ransom notes?
00:46:59.600And also, if you believe them, why didn't you pay?
00:47:04.720Like, that was the biggest one that went unasked.
00:47:08.560But the biggest thing, and even just watching that montage is, why did you continue to interject yourself into Savannah's moment with the noises, the facial expressions, the tongue, the fake tears?
00:47:25.300It was a narcissistic episode for Hoda Kotb.
00:47:29.580I actually, like not much can shock me, but that shocked me.
00:47:32.640Hoda's demeanor, like this, if there's ever a time when it is not about you, I understand this
00:47:39.100is difficult for the players on the Today Show, but the guttural noises, and I was even, I was
00:47:45.320speaking with Mark about the way, even if you look at the framing of that interview, Hoda's like
00:47:50.060leaning herself into the frame. She just keeps, I'm getting into this story. I will be part of
00:47:55.700this story. And it's sort of, I think you and I were also talking about this, the way in which Hoda
00:47:59.800seems really, it really matters to her that the rest of America knows that she and Savannah are
00:48:06.200friends. We know they're not. They're not. We know Savannah can't stand her. And this is the
00:48:13.360thing you're not supposed to say. What is Savannah doing? What is she doing with this?
00:48:19.960It was too soon. Not only was it too soon, but she is playing part of this game, right?
00:50:12.680But I'm just saying as a viewer, you know, watching Savannah, rarely do we see emotion that raw in the public domain.
00:50:20.160Everybody's sort of with the era of social media.
00:50:22.580Now we're all habituated to being on camera.
00:50:24.820We all live in a world where we might get caught.
00:50:26.900And I'm sure we'll talk about someone who was just caught on cam.
00:50:29.680You know, but, you know, I don't, I thought it was a very interesting decision by NBC and Savannah to come back this soon because you're watching a woman who is a broadcast professional, who is used to speaking to millions of people on a daily basis, and she's having trouble getting a sentence out because she's so emotional.
01:03:53.240But like men wanting the enormous breasts and like, I'm not quite sure where the sexual kink is, but like, it's clear that my supposition, just mine, that's the only way he's finding sexual gratification.
01:04:09.000It's not what we would consider conventional sex, right?
01:06:30.820Do you think, how do you think, like, I have to tell you,
01:06:33.480I can think of at least three couples that we've known over the years, you know, I'm talking two
01:06:40.380plus decades where we have found out that, and it's always the husband, had some very strange
01:06:47.200sexual fetish. We didn't know about it. We hung out with friends and then whatever, they got a
01:06:52.500divorce or he was caught doing something, you know, like it comes out. And I have been shocked
01:06:56.640because in each of the cases, kind of like the Brian Noem case, they've seemingly been normal
01:07:01.780guys. Like you wouldn't have known that they're into something very weird, very weird in my humble
01:07:09.200opinion. And so I do wonder like, how many are there? And like, how many people that you know
01:07:15.440right now have like very abnormal, that's my word, fetishes or kinks that like are right behind the
01:07:24.320closed door, right? Like they're at the church meeting all day. And then in the night they look
01:07:30.040like Brian Gnome. And also at some point, I bet he broke that to Christy. I bet he was like,
01:07:37.600what would you think about putting the big balloons down? Oh, 100%. Yes. Like soften you
01:07:44.480up. You know, like we've all sort of, I don't know about you. I won't speak for you. I've
01:07:48.420certainly been in situations where I thought they're, they're kind of testing the waters,
01:07:52.500right? Like, are you, you know, like, and, and you, you, you recognize it sometimes in the,
01:07:57.700in the immediate or you don't, you know, but I don't believe for a second that this came as a
01:08:05.260complete and utter shock. Look, where's the guy hiding all of this gear? Yeah. It's a lot. His
01:08:11.060little outfits. Like the hot pink Lycra. And the money. Where's the money going? Like you're
01:08:18.000telling me they don't sit down with their accountant every year at tax time? It was
01:08:22.340thousands of dollars. And I'm working to confirm this piece of it, but there's an allegation that's
01:08:28.100been made that he was paying for even surgeries. Again, I'm working to track that down,
01:08:32.760take it with a grain of salt, but I've definitely been told that he was paying for certain surgeries
01:08:36.900for some of these folks. And so like, there would be a record that they were not rich.
01:08:41.740You know, she did inherit her dad's ranch. I don't know how much money that entailed for her.
01:08:47.320And but I think she's got siblings, too. But she was a congressman and then she was governor and then she was a senator.
01:08:54.760So like you're making an OK living, but you're not it's not so much you wouldn't notice somebody like big surgery payments going out the door.
01:09:01.900And he was an insurance is in insurance. So I don't like I just wonder because the first there had to be a first time where he was like, you know, no, it'd be great is if you had like triple J's.
01:10:39.680I mean, and I would happily speak with Brian Noem and I would be respectful of him unless he didn't want that, in which case I'd shame and embarrass him.
01:11:08.760I was like, this is somebody who was kind of abused in a way by his dad who like didn't let him be a little boy, just was building a future golf star.
01:11:18.240And I'm sure the dad thought he was doing the right thing.
01:16:17.700Our licenses would be permanently revoked.
01:16:19.720And there'd be no sympathy. Like our core fans would, would have our backs, but God bless you all. Thank you. But the society, the way it's written up would have been completely excoriating.
01:16:30.040The idea that, and I don't like what he's, he's doing what he did 16 years ago, except that we haven't seen the presser yet. But remember 16 years ago, it was like the mistresses, the drugs, the, you know, and he had a whole presser. I'm so sorry. I've got a lot of problems. I didn't have a childhood. I got to, you know, I got to make things right.
01:17:40.880And part of the whole thing, as I understand it, is like humbling yourself and saying, yes, I'm Tiger Woods and I'm an alcoholic or I'm a drug addict.
01:17:48.980Like the whole thing is to be like, I'm just like you.
01:17:52.660And I think the other people there struggling are very quick to accept that.
01:17:56.580You know, like they're not fucking worried about you.
01:17:58.640They're worried about the life they just blew up that landed them in rehab.
01:18:01.340You know who famously talked about this way before this became like a culturally
01:18:06.480commonplace thing to do was Elizabeth Taylor, who checked herself into Betty Ford, had many
01:18:13.060issues with addiction throughout her life. And she came out of Betty Ford and she said,
01:18:17.080do you know what helped fix me? They didn't treat me like a movie star. I had to clean the toilets
01:18:21.520just like everybody else. Yeah. That makes perfect sense to me. Tiger didn't kick things off on a
01:18:27.760good note when we now know, thanks to TMZ, that which got the body cam from the officer, the
01:18:33.420footage, he called President Trump. Like as soon as he rolled the car and got out of it and the
01:18:41.140cops like were there, he called the president, which is a douche move, I think. It's very clear
01:18:47.980he called to try to get out of this somehow. I mean, it's my supposition, but why the hell,
01:18:52.700You know, there's a statement where he later said to the cops, and we're going to play the body cam, but he later says to the cops on scene, he was very apologetic for what he did last night, the night before Trump had been on The Five on Fox News, and it said, I don't think Tiger's going to play the Masters this year.
01:19:10.580So he apparently outed a confidence that he received from Tiger.
01:19:14.040And keep in mind, he knows Tiger from the golf course, their friends, and also Trump's now former daughter-in-law is dating him, Vanessa Trump, Don Jr.'s ex.
01:19:22.700So it sounds like Trump said something he wasn't at liberty to say and had apologized to Tiger in that phone call.
01:19:30.040So I suppose there's a chance that Trump called Tiger to apologize just in a few seconds after the rollover.
01:19:37.640But I'm going to go with Tiger called him and asked for some help because he knew this was going to be a PR disaster and potentially a legal one.
01:24:03.420Yeah, he is. Like, obviously he is severely impaired and got behind the wheel of a car like this. The cops, they're no idiots. Like, they knew he was impaired, even though he didn't fail the breathalyzer. They knew it was an alcohol and his, you know, walking test was a nightmare.
01:24:23.400And then here's a picture of him with the, with the blanket over his head in the squad car.
01:24:30.200And he looks like he is like in Mecca.
01:25:18.000You know, what he said he was on, he told the cops when they pulled those two pills out of his pocket, oh, those are narcos, which to me sounds like street lingo.
01:31:42.580We are back now with Maureen Callahan and a major win for Justin Baldoni just in time for their trial.
01:31:52.380His and Blake Lively is coming up in May. The judge threw out her sexual harassment claims against him. He kept her retaliation claim and another claim. But the main claim that he sexually harassed her is out because she was basing it on an agreement that he never actually signed and no one from his company actually signed.
01:32:16.600And it took all this litigation and a hundred and what, 40 page opinion for the judge to say that.
01:32:23.400And this is just a harbinger of things to come, Maureen, because she's got more humiliation waiting for her if they actually do go to court on this thing.
01:32:42.980And it's a funny story between the two of us.
01:32:46.600I met him. He was opposing counsel on a case in which I was getting sued. It's a long story,
01:32:52.840but a former agent of mine, it went away, but he was representing the agency. And so he had to
01:33:01.680take my deposition. And I was like, I can't stand this bastard. He's such a bastard because I'd been
01:33:05.740watching him. And then when he took my deposition, we totally bonded. I fell in love with the guy
01:33:10.040instead of like hating him. I'm like, he's so good. And I really related. We talked about
01:33:13.160everything. I had nothing to hide. So it was like, anyway, that's Brian Friedman. But before we got
01:33:18.060rid of the case, we had a mediation and he showed up and he was such a prick at that mediation again
01:33:22.500before the deposition and he wouldn't budge at all. And I remember being like, why is he such a
01:33:26.500prick? He he's all the way here from California. He's not even like discussing. They were supposed
01:33:31.400to be mediating. Like, why am I here? And the message that came back from him was, I really
01:33:37.240love New York this time of year. I was like, I hate him. Now keep in mind, I literally love him.
01:33:42.520more than 1%. He's like in my top 1% of people on earth. But that's what Blake Lively is now up
01:33:50.420against. So I'm sure the mediation didn't go better for her than it went for me. And she's
01:33:57.140going to have to face him in court. He's going to cross-examine her, which should be her worst
01:34:03.900nightmare. She should be under the covers at night praying somehow she can get out of this.
01:34:09.880And I tell you, Maureen, I don't know what's left of her reputation to ruin because I feel like most of the country now gets what she has done to this guy.
01:34:18.100I think it was more weighted towards her, maybe 65, 35 when it first started.
01:34:22.900And now I think it's exactly the opposite.
01:34:25.060And it's only going to go more in his direction if we go to trial.
01:34:57.380And then as we all began to hear Justin's side of the story, and I feel like it's been a very effective, I don't know if it's Brian, I don't know if it's publicist, Justin has the both.
01:35:08.760it's brian effective drip drip drip an effective um releasing of information in a very in a way
01:35:17.740that's very consumable when people are ready to hear it i think what also has really helped um
01:35:23.380damn blake lively's claims were the release um in the last batch uh that i i forget who broke it but
01:35:32.340all of her emails to her A-list friends, such as Matt Damon, Ben Affleck.
01:38:19.300Taylor Swift and Ryan Reynolds had her back and could crush anybody. And he hired a PR firm just
01:38:25.340in case she was coming for him. She made everybody in the cast unfollow him on Instagram. So he saw
01:38:32.500it coming. Like she is going to try to ruin me because I didn't let her steal the movie and I
01:38:36.780did try to fight back. And so he, of course, what should he do? The episode is 977. So worth your
01:38:43.160time. Like on the weekend, just you can go back and look at it. But what should he have done?
01:38:48.220And were the PR hacks who are always nasty behind the scenes supposed to speak the Queen's English in coming up with their potential plan if Blake had unleashed on Justin what they would do to try to protect him?
01:39:00.860Should they have said, well, we might issue a strongly worded letter to the New York Times?
01:39:06.120Right. Of course, they sound like PR hacks because that's what they were.
01:39:10.400All she's left with is that sad little piece of her claims.
01:39:13.980Exactly. So she can attempt to destroy his career and reputation so he can never work again. And he's supposed to not fight back. In some substance, that's how I understand it to be.
01:39:27.040She can be as vicious and malicious as she cares to be, and no one is to push back in the interest of saving themselves.
01:39:36.200So what I love for Blake is that she is done, because I do not see how another director gets in league with her and doesn't think she's going to try to pull some shit like this.
01:40:10.460She got up at the Time 100 and told this whole speech, gave this whole speech about her mother's alleged sexual assault, which was just so cynical.
01:40:21.700Blake has not suffered anything like that, and we all know it.
01:40:25.840So she took her mother's alleged experience to have, like, stolen valor, you know, for herself.
01:40:37.740You're trying to cast yourself with the basking of the Me Too, you know, glow of comfort and sorrow and support from your fellow women and others who are here.
01:47:44.600do you? I think you should go back to the way you were in your forties. You were right then,
01:47:49.720not now. I truly don't know what she's talking about. Because I'm listening to her say,
01:47:55.040we as women, I wasn't able to, I don't know what claim what I know means.
01:47:59.280Right. Like, okay, so you have things you know, but you can't claim them. But if you know them,
01:48:05.520they're inside of you. So who else would be claiming those things? Like, I don't get it,
01:48:09.960right? And then she says, you know, we're not told to understand ourselves when I'm thinking
01:48:16.060back to, you know, she grew up on Oprah like the rest of us. The Oprah industrial complex was all
01:48:23.220about the self-actualization of women. Claim it. Knowing oneself, living your best life,
01:48:29.080being authentic, finding joy. Like she's spouting a lot of nothing. And then if she, so she's
01:48:35.240claiming, poor Steph Curry, he's sitting there. She's like, in my fifties, I could claim one and
01:48:39.280know he's like yeah right on i'll just do what brother craig does yeah right on sure sure sure
01:48:46.240sure sure sure sure and uh she's just she's nobody nobody really knows what to say to her
01:48:50.920because no i don't understand what it is she's actually saying no it's like uh sorry uh it's
01:48:55.820like um my brother he he'll laugh we'll be sitting with my mom and she'll get like on a tear about
01:49:01.060some memory or something like that and there's like a couple people whom my mom my mom definitely
01:49:06.260doesn't like who have wronged her the course of her life. And she, she, she will go into a thing
01:49:10.860where she likes to talk about them. And my brother will sometimes just to get her going to be like,
01:49:14.880how's, and he'll throw up and he'll look at me and I'll go, put another log on that fire.
01:49:20.980That's a brother cracker. That's what Steph Curry's doing. Yeah. Right. Sure. Right on.
01:49:26.360And everything from her is negative morning. Like, do we ever run a positive sign where
01:49:30.480Michelle Obama was like, I'm so grateful. My life is so amazing. I've had so many gifts and I just
01:49:35.380want to share with my audience how great life is and how like your life can be awesome too.
01:49:41.520And about looking on the bright side when, when life deals you lemons. No, she's like,
01:49:46.660when you get a big glass of lemonade, you find the seed floating in there and you complain about it.
01:49:52.680You got to wonder what those production meetings are like, you know, or like how they're, I don't
01:49:57.940like, I, it truly, like you just said, it boggles the mind. This woman spends summers on yachts with
01:50:04.380the likes of Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks. She travels the world at a moment's notice. She has
01:50:11.460access to anything and anyone she wants. She doesn't have to worry about another bill in her
01:50:16.200life. She doesn't own a yacht, Maureen. And you know why? Because it's racist. Because she's black
01:50:21.080and this is a racist country. That's obviously it. All right, now wait, this woman is not rich,
01:50:27.120but what she's saying is rich. Melissa Gilbert has sat down with George Stephanopoulos
01:50:33.920The interview is going to air next week, so you haven't seen it yet, but they released a tease, a clip, and it's about her husband, Timothy Busfield, who's under arrest and facing charges for allegedly behaving inappropriately with young children, molesting one and inappropriately touching another, which he denies, and we've reported that the parents of said children are definite grifters, in my opinion.
01:51:00.640They have a long history of fraud and related charges behind them.
01:51:03.920Doesn't mean their children are lying, but it is an important piece to the story.
01:51:08.380However, in the course of this proceeding, multiple women have come forward with stories about Timothy Busfield, where he did pay out a settlement, where they did go on record, where he begged them for apology, where he had to stave off criminal charges by promising to go into rehab and so on.
01:51:25.760So we've learned a lot about her gross husband.
01:51:28.960doesn't mean he's a child molester doesn't make him a good guy because there's a slew of women
01:51:34.120who have come forward um she goes out there and says the following in this preview clip watch
01:51:40.400what is this whole episode been like for you hell this has been the most traumatizing experience
01:51:48.000of our lives um our life as we knew it is done we are grieving what we had we all of our plans
01:51:56.660all of our dreams, all of our ideas, all of our projects. For Tim, it's done. He's canceled.
01:52:02.980And this will never, even if he's exonerated, he will always be that guy,
01:52:08.280the last person in the world who would hurt a child. And believe me, if I thought for a second
01:52:14.380that Tim Busfield hurt a child, he'd have a lot more to worry about than prison.
01:52:19.120Oh, do you care about the women? I mean, some of the women who have accused him were 16 and 17.
01:52:24.280I guess, okay. She lectured me about how those are also victims, which I agree with, of Jeffrey Epstein's, women of that age, 15, 16, whatever. I agree. I never said otherwise. She misrepresented me. But now she excludes that age group and saying he would never hurt a child. What's a 16-year-old?
01:54:01.600And it wasn't part of this also, didn't what we learn have to do with Timothy saying to some of these younger women that part of the reason he was acting out was because he and his wife no longer had sex?
01:57:51.080Yeah, I was out in the Hamptons when that plane went down.
01:57:53.560But what do you think is the overall gulf between the way they're being portrayed, these two, by Ryan Murphy on the screen, and the way they actually were in real life?
01:58:03.740There's something about JFK that he does get right, JFK Jr., which is this sort of shaggy dog, like aimless, like I'm a himbo.
01:58:40.180And everyone is and was, and I get it, but they completely ignore her drug use, which was very heavy, which was a real problem. They completely ignore both of them cheating on each other. They don't really get deep into how damaged both of these people were. They were very damaged people who brought out the worst in each other. And it sort of builds on itself from there as we approach the inevitable end.
01:59:06.600I know you've also said you think there's a misogynistic like tinge in the way they portray the actual crash because effectively Ryan Murphy at the very beginning of the series, and I'm not on the last episode, but I've heard you talk about it.
01:59:23.320And of course, I know what actually happened.
01:59:44.420And I think you really need a woman in there, a woman who knows what she's talking about.
01:59:47.980They try to give themselves an out by having Carolyn's mother after the crash in a conversation with Caroline Kennedy that never took place say, you understand the media is blaming my daughter for getting her nails done.
02:00:01.380And Caroline says in a very sort of humbled way, I don't – well, she says I don't read the papers anymore, you know, whatever.
02:00:07.860But nonetheless, they open the series with that, and they end the series with her sister telling JFK Jr., don't be upset with her that she's running late tonight before they took off.
02:00:22.680And then the way that he chooses to depict the crash, we talked on the nerve, and we showed the photos, and we showed one of the Navy divers who led the recovery of what was left of those bodies.
02:03:58.340So I guess her face doesn't sell papers.
02:04:03.660What's so crazy about this morning, you and I have been talking about this since you wrote Ask Not, is that John F. Kennedy Jr., in your view, clearly had a death wish.
02:04:13.420And I've heard you say this is almost a murder-suicide, like maybe not, you know, an intentional, I'm going to go murder, you know, but he lived so recklessly in so many ways and was obviously very depressed.
02:04:56.840And on the mini tomorrow, I read a bit from Camille Paglia, who I love.
02:05:03.140And she gave an interview after that crash in which she spoke about all the ways in which it seems like it's so symmetrical that it almost really does feel deliberate.
02:05:16.180Like he crashed the plane in view of Jackie's Martha's Vineyard estate.
02:09:29.460They tried to humanize her a little bit towards the end there.
02:09:33.260But, you know, this is so – talk about symmetrical, what you were just saying, you know, the way in which either a depressed or like a reckless 17-year-old will get behind the wheel and the drug – it kind of circles back to the beginning of our talk today about Tiger Woods.
02:10:29.460who the remnants of that plane would fall on, you know, who else would be killed if a plane
02:10:33.960comes down out of the sky. God only knows how many people could be killed. Some people on the water
02:10:38.220or debris nearby and on land. Um, and tiger, of course, that one's obvious, but yeah,
02:10:43.980you're exactly right. So it's like another, he's another one who you said, they never said no to
02:10:48.080him. They also never let him fail. Right. It's like the bar exam doesn't, doesn't, won't prop
02:10:53.000you up. You pass or you fail. That's it. And so finally he got the help he needed to pass it. He
02:10:56.980passed it the third time, but the whole country was trying to prop him up to be the next JFK,
02:11:02.360to be, you know, the next member of Camelot, restore the legacy. And therefore he couldn't
02:11:07.440fail. Like he couldn't, there was nothing he could touch that could go, that wasn't going to
02:11:11.340be golden. They needed it. They needed to reenact his dad's life and which ruined him.
02:11:16.660And that's why I think, well, to what you just said, like who else he could have harmed, you
02:11:20.580know, it's, it's not reported, but it is in the NTSB report. And I talk about it and ask not,
02:11:25.100He almost smashed into a packed American Airlines jetliner that night before he crashed the plane.
02:11:30.820It was only the pilots of that jetliner who avoided that because John Jr. had cut off all of his comms, which, again, the suicidality right there.
02:11:39.900But what was that last thing you just said about we could – oh, we needed him to be – we needed JFK Jr. to be like this president.
02:11:49.320That's why I think Ryan Murphy's love story is dangerous in a way, because it is a reaffirmation
02:12:16.220And nobody could withstand that, right?
02:12:18.820No, this is why, like, I always make fun of my mom, Linda, but she, the messaging in my house was, you really don't seem special at all, but we're open-minded to specialness.
02:12:42.260It was. It really was. I mean, I think a lot of parents are afraid to do that to their kid because they think their kid will wind up a loser, right?
02:12:48.260Like you'll just play to the lowest common denominator.
02:12:50.580Like I'm not meant to be anything and I'm not anything.
02:13:54.020Like her thing is like, he from a very young age, JFK Jr. was placed in what the culture was like this Nazi interrogation booth where you are going to answer to us and you are going to become who we see you to be.
02:14:08.700you know and like we saw it in the 80 at the 88 democratic convention when he gave that keynote
02:14:13.400speech yeah he delivered a fine speech it was not it wasn't barack obama coming out of nowhere
02:14:18.680you know speaking like in tongues it wasn't that but but the media went aflame and they were like
02:14:24.500he's our next president oh they were like this is the reincarnation you know it's on like we're
02:14:28.400gonna get the the fairy tale ending to the story that we wanted camelot's back we can pick up where
02:14:33.960we left off and it's like we never had to suffer any of that pain this guy's gonna make it come
02:14:38.160true and we can revel in the new Camelot without having to think about how the first one never
02:14:43.100really existed. Exactly. Read, ask not, if you don't believe me and, um, and didn't, and didn't
02:14:48.620end well. And, and, and was, it just wasn't Camelot. That was a lie that, that Jackie put
02:14:52.600out there intentionally to re to paint over his narrative in a way that she thought would be
02:14:58.000beneficial to him and their family. All right, we got to go. But once again, my friend, wonderful
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