Tim Pool on Big Tech Censorship, Establishment Media Bias, and What He's Building Next ｜ Ep. 70
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On this episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, Megynkelle sits down with Tim Pool, host of the TimCast and The Tim Pool Daily Show, to talk about what it's like being a citizen journalist on the internet.
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Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
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I mean, he's worked for the big conglomerates, but now he's on his own and he's killing it.
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He's got tons and tons, millions of followers on YouTube.
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He's the guy who cross-examined the Twitter executives
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and just really put it to them about their censorship of conservatives, which he's not,
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He's just, he's smart and he's interesting and he's funny.
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I'm excited for this conversation and I'm excited by what you do.
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It's like you're, you're like street journalist who's turned against the masters of the media,
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Let me tell you the first time I really understood your power.
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When I was off in between launching this podcast and my NBC job, I met with YouTube a couple
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And they were saying, you know, there are a lot of people who are really doing a great
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job with news on YouTube and getting followers.
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And I said, well, he's this guy in a beanie who posts like six times a day and he's got
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And you were, you're very popular in both places.
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I mean, I don't, I just, uh, I mean, I guess I do.
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I just complain on the internet, I suppose, but I don't know.
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You're like very good at saying how you feel in a way that is clear and concise and easy
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And it's such that I was surprised to learn you hadn't been doing, you know, some long
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career in communications prior to becoming a de facto journalist.
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No, I think I actually had a bigger advantage than communications.
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I was a nonprofit fundraiser for on and off for about a year and a half, two years.
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And, uh, I worked for some of the biggest nonprofits.
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So when your job is to be persuasive and communicate clearly and quickly to, you know, random people
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either at events or on the street, I got pretty good at it, I guess had to, yeah, in order
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And so then when I started doing, you know, I went to occupy wall street, it's our live
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And, and really raised your profile in a way like nothing else other than your cross
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It was Jack Dorsey himself on Joe Rogan, along with his right hand woman, uh, whose name I
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And you were there wanting answers and, and I just want our audience to understand, I'm
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You are, this is not Tucker Carlson going on with Joe Rogan asking these questions, but
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you noticed a bias, a bias in media, a bias on Twitter, and that they always seem to be
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I mean, was this something that was well established in your mind prior to that cross
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I think, you know, to, to clarify in the liberal position too, I don't even know if these words
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Cause I, I, I, I used to watch Bill Maher all the time and I, Megan, I didn't watch your
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I watched, you know, real time with Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, my political positions always
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aligned pretty closely to like moderate traditional liberals, but I don't look conservatives will
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call me a leftist and the left will call me far right or conservative.
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So I don't even know what this means anymore, but I will say if, if, if you're honestly looking
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at the news, because I'm reading mainstream corporate press, I'm watching Fox and CNN,
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I'm reading, you know, the examiner and Breitbart, cause I'm trying to see what people are saying,
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It was very obvious if you're being honest, because the story about conservative censorship
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So I'm sitting here and I'm reading a leftist publication, Gizmodo say Facebook staff were
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Then when I started saying, yeah, we, we know this is true because it was actually corporate
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For some reason it became untrue among the mainstream press.
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So it's the whole story about the Joe Rogan podcast with Jack Dorsey.
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It's really fascinating because what had happened was I had commented on YouTube.
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I commented on the Joe Rogan, Jack Dorsey podcast, and it automatically got flagged by Joe's company
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And he was like, Oh man, that's, that's, it was an automatic thing.
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But then he watched my commentary and I guess Joe listened to what I had to say.
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He's like, Oh, this dude knows a ton about what's going on with this.
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And then after the first episode, he's like, don't tell anybody, I want you to come on
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with Jack Dorsey again so that you can kind of have this conversation that, you know,
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And then I guess it ended up becoming, uh, you know, interestingly, there were some other
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writers, leftists who said it was one of the most culturally significant things to happen,
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Oh, I mean, it means so much news and it was so exciting to watch.
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Um, I'm going to play a clip of it in a second, but I wanted to say, I understand your point
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I mean, I look at who do I, who do I like for information?
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Who do I feel aligned with, you know, from a journalistic perspective?
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Well, I supported Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang early on, and then was really, you know,
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I'm a big fan of Tulsi even to this day, but I ended up voting for Trump because I don't
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know, I don't, I don't understand what it is the Democrats are representing or what the
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I mean, I want to get into your politics in a second because I think it's interesting
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because you had some, said some stuff about the Kyle Rittenhouse situation that I thought
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But let's get back to Twitter because I mean, look, I realize it's easy to hate Twitter and there
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are things I love about Twitter and I'm sure you do too, but there's no question that it
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is a left leaning organization and their, their bias is clearly toward the progressives.
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So you get the chance that we would all love to have, which is actually to put it right
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Our platform promotes speech unless people violate our rules.
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The guy who insinuates death gets a permanent ban.
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But Tim, you're, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.
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It's about a pattern in practice of violating our rules.
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And you have a pattern in practice of banning only one faction of people.
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Quillette recently published an article where they looked at 22 high profile bannings from
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2015 and found 21 of them were only on one side of the cultural debate.
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But I don't look at the political spectrum of people when I'm looking at their tweets.
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You're biased and you are, you're targeting specific individuals because your rules support
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It was, it was fascinating, but I don't, I don't know if she necessarily saw the light.
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But the main point that I brought up in their rules being biased, because Jack, it seemed
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When I said your rules are biased, he said, no, they're not.
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What I genuinely think Jack and Vijay did not understand is that one of the rules of Twitter
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Ben Shapiro's worldview, the conservative worldview is that if someone is born biologically male,
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their pronouns are he, him, the progressive worldview is that you choose your pronouns.
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So if we were going to have an honest discussion about what it means to misgender, there's two
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predominant views and they disagree with each other.
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If Twitter says we are enforcing only the progressive worldview, then the rules are biased
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And I think the, like, I think Jack genuinely didn't realize that.
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And I said it to him and they kind of looked like, oh, I didn't think about that.
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And I think Vijay's response was, thank you for your feedback.
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And that was a point where she stopped, you know, that, that pushback of saying you're
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I think they genuinely understood, oh, we do that, don't we?
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And so, look, I've, I've, I've, I've talked with Jack over the years and I think he's a
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He's routinely talked about wanting to do all of these really great things that he's never
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You know, he's, he's talked about a path to redemption, people who are permanently suspended.
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In fact, it's only made the rules more strict and, and, and worse.
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I think, I think what's happening now on Twitter is worse than it's ever been because now they're
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Twitter itself is issuing direct statements on people's tweets.
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So for instance, I tweeted recently rather, you know, in a snarky manner about the time
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magazine article about the 2020 shadow campaign to save the election or whatever.
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And, and I said, time magazine has said a cabal of elites fortified the election, et cetera.
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Twitter disabled the tweet and then claimed what I said was in dispute when I was, I mean,
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the time magazine article actually says the word wealthy cabal of elites, conspiracy, all
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And I was like mocking time magazine for this article.
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They claimed that my tweet was in dispute and could lead to violence.
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So they disabled this now in my, I view that as a false statement of fact, what I tweeted
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So for Twitter to then make that statement, it's well beyond just banning someone.
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They're actually issuing their own speech as a corporation.
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Now the question is whether anybody really wants to sue Twitter for defamation for issuing
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And this may be the problem if people on the right or on this side of the debate are willing
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I guess so long as they aren't willing to do it, it'll just keep happening.
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But I mean, even saying that right away already weakens my position.
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Well, and you know, it's like if you're a public figure, which you would be considered
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You can't when people say like, well, why don't you sue if they've printed lies about
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Just take a look at the jurisprudence on public figures trying to sue for defamation.
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Yeah, but certainly in this situation, you can't.
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You have to prove that they knew what they were saying was false.
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And I think there's there's still an important aspect of a lawsuit in this regard.
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They use an algorithm to automatically do a lot of this work.
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So I wonder what the defamation laws, what the precedent would be, because maybe I could
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So if the defaming party knows for a fact what they're saying is false, that would be
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I wonder what the judge would rule if it's a robot that did it, because maybe that's
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reckless disregard having a machine just randomly defame people.
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I mean, I like how we're such a you know, we give a wide berth when it comes to free speech
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in this country and when it comes to the First Amendment.
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So it'd be somewhat ironic if their free speech and canceling somebody else's free speech is
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Just just a couple of days ago, Stephen Crowder got his tweet booted off the Internet because
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he actually went and did a little investigation on some of the addresses that have been registered
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to vote in the last presidential election and found nobody's there.
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He didn't say it's Kraken or Dominion in any of that stuff.
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And that was too much for Twitter, at least for a day or so.
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This was brilliant on Crowder's part because the statement Twitter issued, they said this
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tweet about election fraud or voter fraud is in this is disputed and, you know, is disabled,
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But what's brilliant about that is no one disputed Crowder's claim.
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Now, I have not independently verified Crowder's investigation.
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He sent some people with newspapers from this week to show you the date and show you the
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parking lots where there's no buildings and no apartments where people can't possibly
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So what would need to happen is in order for Twitter to issue that statement of fact that
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it's in dispute, there would have to have been some kind of dispute where someone said,
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I wonder if he should, because Twitter putting that that that statement on his tweet is a
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statement from Twitter claiming there's a dispute that has not happened.
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If a journalist wants to come out and claim that Crowder's investigation was false, well,
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then I would say that's a fair to make the statement.
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I think I think Twitter defamed Crowder in that regard.
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You know, somebody's going to have to make an example out of them because we're certainly
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I mean, to your point earlier, they listened, they said, hmm, these are good points, Tim.
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And then they went and not only doubled, but tripled down.
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Anything that mentions voter fraud at a minimum gets flagged and more than likely gets banned.
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Well, I wonder when someone like Trump is going to actually step up and just join a competing
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You know, we hear often that, why don't you start your own social network and do things
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Now, I understand Parler was was taken off by these big tech companies.
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They're definitely putting putting their thumb on the scale and pushing their weight against
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conservatives or just any, you know, anti-establishment or non-mainstream platform.
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But if Trump joined any of these other platforms, it would cause a massive migration and it would
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force these media outlets, these journalists to cover what he is saying.
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And, you know, and for all these other very wealthy people who complain about the fake
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news and the media lies, I wonder why they're not funding journalism.
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They have the resources to do it, but they don't.
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I do think these other platforms are in the works and are going to come come up over the
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next year or two, because I do think that the way the Trump presidency ended, let's put aside
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the Capitol Hill riot, the reaction to on the free speech grounds, you know, online and just
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everywhere, you know, with these now activists trying to pull Fox News off the air and so on
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has really scared and shaken people on the right and just free speech advocates because it's
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This is one of the bedrocks of our entire country.
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The ability to say controversial things that people can't stand.
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I bet if you did a poll of college students and said, is hate speech unconstitutional?
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Over 60 percent of them would say yes, that they think hate speech is banned, right?
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He actually said that he put it in writing and said it.
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Yeah, it was really funny when that that young guy went viral, where I think it was Chris
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Cuomo said who said that protests have to be peaceful.
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And then the guy's like, it's right there in the First Amendment.
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But in that regard, when it comes to hate speech, maybe he should just read the First
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Well, it's funny because I got I got all over him on that.
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Because it's like that it's it kind of exists to protect speech that others might consider
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It's like you always say it's there to protect not speech you like, but speech you don't
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But now we've gotten to a place where we, you know, we all have these glasses on.
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We can see the exact same statement as hateful or loving, depending on what side of the
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political aisle we're on, which is why the First Amendment is more important than it's
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We should be bending over backwards to platform as many individuals as possible.
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And we were kind of doing that as the Internet exploded, as people like Tim Poole found a
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And I just think the overcorrection as a result of the Capitol Hill riot, of course, not because
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of any of the BLM riots, but the Capitol Hill riot.
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One of the scariest things I think I've seen as of recent was a leaked video from Project
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Veritas of executives at Salesforce, which is one of the biggest companies in the world,
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managing over 150,000 clients, customer relations in this video saying, you know, certain speech
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like from President Trump at the RNC, they're not going to allow.
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So I'll try and make it a little bit more specific.
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They said, we're not going to allow speech that has the potential to incite violence,
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not speech that does incite, but that's the potential to.
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And they specifically reference the RNC and anything Trump might say and anything you might
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Salesforce did not respond, threatening to essentially fire their clients when we saw a billion to
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$2 billion in damages from Black Lives Matter riots.
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And mind you, the sentiment that drove those riots was based off of misinformation or at
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There's a really interesting set of data that was just released by, I think it's Skeptic
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If you ask liberals how many unarmed or how many Black people were killed by police, the plurality
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And the actual number, I think, is like 23 or 27.
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Now, each and every one of those deaths is abhorrent and horrifying.
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I definitely think there needs to be accountability for that.
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But when these people think that 1,000 people were killed, innocent people, I can understand
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If Salesforce thinks that banning Trump supporters, and they did announce, Veritas announced they
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got severed from Salesforce because it's a potential to incite violence, the fact that
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they're not looking at $2 billion in damage, and it's more than that probably, it's just $2
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billion in insurance payments from misinformation around Black Lives Matter means that going forward
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in the future, I think this may be one of the most serious acts of tech censorship we're
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ever going to see, because Salesforce will now shutter entire companies who dare speak
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in a certain way while they're not going after left-wing ideology.
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Like, this is why those of us who are committed to the facts, and I really have no dog in this
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If the cops are bad and are abusing their power, let's go there and let's fix it.
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Um, but if this is a media-created illusion, then we need to get honest about that, too.
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That's why I look at people like, smart people like Coleman Hughes, who is a, he's a liberal.
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This guy's, he is a liberal, but he's a Black man.
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But he's an honest intellectual who took a look at the data.
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And this is what Coleman said, and this is what I happen to believe, too, that there is
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a problem with police roughing up Black suspects more than they would white.
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But there isn't a problem of police hunting Black men in the street or shooting Black men
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at a rate that is disproportionate, not just to their population, because that's not the
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only relevant factor, but to the crime rate, their crime rate.
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And we got to get honest about why the crime rate is what it is.
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Already, you got people going, racist, racist, right?
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It leads to people who have found a way to manipulate and to gaining power.
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I think, you know what I think, I think our problem is, Megan, I think that you're being
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I think, to the best of our abilities, we're trying to understand the world and explain
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We don't know everything, and not just you or I, but, you know, Ben Shapiro.
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We don't read every single story or every perspective.
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But we try to understand to the best of our abilities and explain our worldviews when you're
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honest, but you're going up against people who are not honest.
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You know, I recently got smeared by Poynter Institute.
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Just to interrupt for one second, so Poynter, by some in the media, is considered like the
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They will be the final arbiter on what is and is not journalism.
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They think everything anybody at Fox has ever done is disgusting and that they shouldn't
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be by it, that they shouldn't be journalists at all.
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And everything said on CNN and MSNBC is correct, and those are the truth tellers.
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And Poynter runs the, I think it's called the International Fact Checkers Network, which
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determines what organization is allowed to be a fact checker on Facebook.
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So I had that snarky tweet I mentioned about Time Magazine.
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They said in a post from controversial YouTuber Tim Poole, which said the election was rigged.
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The tweet didn't say that, and it was a joke anyway.
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But they do that in a way to circumvent defamation laws.
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They have the ability to fact check what I say, and they do it in a dishonest way.
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And they use the system and its rules and loopholes to get around responsibility and accountability.
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I would not come out and say, you know, so-and-so at the Poynter Institute did something they
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And that means if we're playing fairly and they're not, well, then they can keep tricking
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people and they can use that deception to gain power for themselves.
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And they've put themselves in pretty prominent positions.
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I actually had, this is amazing, Media Matters for America.
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This is a left-wing publication that essentially just goes after, you know, people like you,
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Now, I'm called by many people fairly milquetoast.
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We had a video from my podcast, TimCast IRL, where our guest, Jack Murphy, said, he said
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that Donald Trump presented concrete examples of evidence of voter fraud.
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He didn't say it was legitimate proof of voter fraud.
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He said Trump gave examples of concrete examples of voter fraud.
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Media Matters publishes this article claiming that, you know, we're pushing fraud or whatever,
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which is totally absurd, and then claims that our ads have been removed.
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I checked our podcast and the ads were still there.
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And so I don't know, you know, why they're targeting us for having a legitimate conversation.
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And we never asserted what they tried to allude to that we were asserting.
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It seems more like the intention is either just to write something that gets views or to
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cause economic damage to political ideas or conversations they don't like.
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At any rate, it's a dishonest attempt, in my opinion, to win a political battle.
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And again, I look at what, you know, Donald Trump files an appeal with Facebook asking
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They've been abusing you and defaming you, blocking your tweets, blocking your posts.
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Trump needs to go and make his own thing or join something else.
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I agree with what you said earlier, that it's coming.
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We're going to talk about what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and his take on Kyle
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Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old who went there that night to try to protect the businesses
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and the people, but wound up shooting three people.
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And he's now facing murder charges, this kid is.
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Tim's got a very different view of what Kyle did that night and does not see him as any sort
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And we'll talk about why it was that incident that made Tim wind up voting for Donald Trump.
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Even that word controversial to describe you like that.
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They only use that word for people who don't toe the leftist line.
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I never see them talk about Don Lemon by saying controversial TV host Don Lemon, right?
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They only if you won't say exactly what they want you to say about these issues, you get
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And Don Lemon's infinitely more controversial than I am.
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I mean, the guy got sued for, you know, assaulting some guy or something like that.
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Or, you know, I don't remember the exact story.
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Let me repeat it, because I just think since no one else is going to report it, I will keep
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reporting it until somebody pays attention to it, because I've seen a lot of my colleagues
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in the news, male colleagues, dragged through the mud by CNN when so much as a whiff of an
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But they're one of their lead news anchors has a case like this come against him and
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It's the people who write about CNN who would never mention this about Don Lemon.
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He was accused of a couple summers ago being in a bar in the Hamptons and sticking his
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hands down his own pants and underwear, fondling his own genitals, and then rubbing his fingers
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around the face of a strange man, of another man who he, Don, thought wanted to sleep with
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And that man has sued him, claiming this was an assault.
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And the man has an eyewitness who was a bartender in the bar who has independently said he saw the
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He didn't realize that this man had been traumatized and then realized that actually,
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no, this wasn't this wasn't a desired or funny situation at all.
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Don Lemon doesn't get the C word in front of his name.
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I don't even know what controversy I've been involved in.
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You can call me a liar and a grifter or whatever you want, but I'm basically just sitting in
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You know, Chris Cuomo pretended to be under quarantine.
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Ben Smith said that it was I don't know his exact quote, but it was strange to see CNN
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elighting this controversy where Cuomo comes out of his basement acting as though he's
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just finally been released from quarantine, even though there's a witness and according
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to Cuomo's own statement, he had left his house like a week earlier to go to one of his
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properties in the Hamptons and got into an argument with some guy on a bike.
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There's there's there's never anything about me.
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I I'm just I'm often bewildered by many of these organizations attempts to smear and
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defame me because I'm not even like Tucker issuing these very strong opinions about policy
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or I know I people call me milquetoast and I'm like, why are you mad at me?
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Like we didn't we didn't say the election was rigged.
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Now, wait, can I tell you I'll give you another example.
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So, you know, of course, I left NBC after I had the nerve to say on the air like back when
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I was growing up, people like the blackface thing wasn't such a big deal if you were dressed
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So they, of course, made it into a huge deal and everybody knows what happened to this day.
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When you get a publication like The Times or USA Today writing something about me, they
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It could be about like Megyn Kelly launched a podcast or Megyn Kelly made news with Tulsi
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And then they always feel the need to end the article with she left NBC under a cloud after she
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Now, do I see them mentioning the fact that Jimmy Kimmel wore minstrel show blackface on
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his show that Sarah Silverman, whenever they write about her, do they include her minstrel
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show blackface and for which he barely apologized?
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Are you mentioning that at the end of their articles when you write things about them?
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Or is it just Megyn Kelly who never wore blackface, but just happened to say back in the 70s
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Tim pool bothers me because they're it's a it's a it's an attempt to besmirch you.
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They think it's poisoning the well before they even get into what's going on.
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I love it when they try and call me right wing because like no right wing person thinks
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And whatever, right wing people call me liberal.
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But I think I'd be liberal based on like 2010 standards.
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I don't know where I'm at now because I did vote for Trump because I think whatever's going
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on politically, everything's kind of falling apart.
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I know you said that the Kyle Rittenhouse thing and it was after the Jacob Blake shooting,
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The police were dealing with a man who was armed with a knife and they shot him.
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He had he had a committed a digital rape on his girlfriend with his children there.
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Then he pulled a knife, which will get you shot pretty much every time, no matter your
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He even said later, I shouldn't have grabbed the knife.
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And of course, the media refused to do a mea culpa on their reporting, which directly led
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I mean, when it was going down, Tim, I tweeted out.
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I'm like, hey, there's a report saying he was armed with a knife.
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Maybe you should take a minute to go look at what I reported because it turned out to be 100%
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And you could have saved Kenosha and the residents, including many black residents and business
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owners, a lot of heartache and harm if you had tried to find the damn facts.
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I think well-meaning but misguided 17 year old who takes his gun and tries to go protect
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businesses and winds up shooting three people who it does look like to me it was self-defense.
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But, you know, putting himself in the middle of it in the first place was not a good idea.
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But what was it about that situation that made you say, I'm voting for Trump?
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And then Donald Trump actually liked it and made it essentially pinned it to his profile.
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It's almost like they want to avoid talking about me because, look, I'm somebody who I
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And these a lot of progressives don't want to accept that I did.
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But a lot of Bernie supporters switched for Trump.
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So I don't I don't remember exactly what I wrote in my Twitter thread, but I'll tell
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And I've actually interviewed several of the people who are witnesses to what happened,
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as well as Richie McGinnis, who tend who rendered aid to the guy who got shot, the first
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He's the he's a photojournalist with The Daily Caller who works with Shelby Talcott, who we
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just had on the show talking about her experience covering the same event.
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And so our audience should that name, Richie McGinnis, should be familiar to them.
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I see the media saying he crossed state lines with a gun.
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OK, where Kyle Rittenhouse, I believe, lived in Antioch.
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Someone else lent him a rifle that I don't think it wasn't AR-15 specifically, AR-15
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And there's interesting questions about whether he was misguided or not.
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I initially said I thought he shouldn't have been there until I heard from Richie McGinnis.
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I looked at these riots happening across the country.
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And I remember earlier this year, I'm sorry, earlier last year, I said, no guns.
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You know, I'm a liberal, all that stuff, whatever.
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And then when COVID happened, I was like, maybe I should look into some kind of self-defense.
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When the riots happened, I absolutely started going through the motions.
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I lived in New Jersey at the time, so it was rather difficult.
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I can't, I can't, you know, I heard, I'm sitting in, I'm in the suburbs of Philadelphia.
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I'm thinking to myself, there's no way the riots will affect me.
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Maybe it'll, it'll, you know, jam up some stores and cause some economic damage to the
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area, but they're not going to cross over to New Jersey.
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And then I remember one day I heard the helicopters and the sirens.
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And here I am in the suburbs on the other side of the river.
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They actually, the rioters marched across the, across the bridge.
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And I remember getting a phone call from some family members talking about how they're 60
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And for some reason, rioters showed up in their town and caused property damage.
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So now here I am this, you know, in January, I'm not going to buy any guns.
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And I started looking at everything because there was, there's nothing that can be done
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But what the Kyle Rittenhouse thing was really shocking because here's a guy who lives in an area
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I'm familiar with, I'm from Chicago, they, these rioters were burning down buildings and,
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and, and, uh, you know, potentially going to kill people.
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And so here's this young guy who you can clearly see on camera running away, being attacked and
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And they, the media lies and they demonize them.
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And I thought to myself, what we're seeing from the media, the manipulation, the disinformation,
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And I'm like, at this point, it's well beyond just owning a gun.
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He is hiding in his basement while people are burning this country to the ground.
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And Donald Trump was pounding on the table saying, we need to stop this.
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The coward or the guy who's demanding law enforcement shut down this violence.
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And, and, and look, whether you like Kyle Rittenhouse or not, three, two, three people got
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If we had listened to Donald Trump and sent in the national guard before that happened,
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So it's not about whether, you know, in, in, in the long story, you can hate Kyle Rittenhouse,
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But if we took, if we listened to the president, they would not have lost their lives.
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Now, going back to, uh, you know, later on, I ended up interviewing Richie McGinnis and he
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was like, they were trying to push a flaming dumpster into a gas station and Kyle Rittenhouse
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or one of his friends took a fire extinguisher and put the fire out.
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That's what caused these people to attack Kyle.
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When they first attacked him, Rittenhouse ran away.
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The first guy who got shot Rosenbaum was chasing after him.
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And that it was only after someone else fired a handgun, presumably into the air that Kyle
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turned around and fired in absolute self-defense.
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Then when Richie started tending to Rosenbaum, other people started gathering around and
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threatening Rittenhouse who runs away and Rittenhouse is on camera saying, I'm going to
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He was trying to stop people from destroying property and, and essentially, you know, maybe
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So my view now, after talking to Richie, if he was not there, they, and they pushed that
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flaming dumpster into a gas station, they could have blown that place up.
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And how many people could have lost their lives?
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I do know that Kyle put himself in a dangerous position.
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I'm worried though, based on the footage I've seen and the witness testimony I've heard
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from not just Richie, but you mentioned Shelby, as well as, you know, Drew Hernandez and
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several other people, I wonder what would have happened and how many people would have
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lost their lives if they blew up a gas station.
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Would those, would those people who are pushing the dumpster become victims of themselves?
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Would it, would it have caused lingering damage to the, to the community and health effects?
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I'm sad, you know, at any loss of life and it's, and it's horrifying, but it was scary
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and, and, and, and shocking to me that you actually have people trying to frame Kyle
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Rittenhouse as a white supremacist who took a gun from, from across state lines and was
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And that is just the most insane interpretation.
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And to your point, they don't talk about the, you know, maybe he was, he wasn't even the
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match that lit the fire, but you know, all the, all sort of the, the, the paper and that,
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and the logs on the fire were there because they had been telling the police to stand down
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these cops and the cops were reticent to do anything anyway, because they'd been getting
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called white supremacist and racist and abusive in every paper in the country for, for weeks.
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Um, and so no one was there to help a largely minority communities and not just in Kenosha,
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And so there were citizens who felt like, well, it's up to me who else is going to protect
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And, and Donald Trump had been calling for the national guard and it was rejected
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So, you know, what we saw in Chaz in Seattle, the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, there was
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a handful of guys who for 10 minutes were unloading rifles into a white SUV with two
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And if these people just swallowed their pride and for once recognized Donald Trump, certainly
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imperfect, but he wasn't wrong about needing national guard or DHS or somebody law enforcement
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But they hated Trump so much that they were willing to watch all of this death and destruction.
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We need somebody look, Trump is not the fascist.
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He did not send these, these, you know, national garden without the authorization.
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And so I'm sitting here thinking, here's a guy who's constrained saying, let me help you.
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Well, and, and it's also the fault of the media, you know, the same media that wouldn't
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let Tom Cotton publish an op-ed or that they did.
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And then some guy got fired, Jim Bennett, um, saying, send in the troops.
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Like we need military out on the streets helping to restore order.
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Like that was too offensive for the New York times.
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Meanwhile, they let, they let a defense of looting happen.
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They let a defense of the, of the arsons and the dangerous situation.
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Once the, uh, the Trump supporters, you know, were riding 25,000 national guard metal barricades.
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And according to Ken Cuccinelli, Nancy Pelosi was requesting what she says were crew manned
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I, I, I, I'm told the correct term is crew serviced machine guns, but they denied her that.
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So when it's, you know, look a couple thousand Trump supporters, and I think everybody agrees
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But you look at the reactions, you know, the Democrats say immediately 25,000 national
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Then they put these national guardsmen in a, in a parking garage to sleep there, which
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They put up these barricades, but when over a year across the country, you know, over the
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course of a year, we're seeing hundreds of riots and billions in damages.
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In fact, Kamala Harris solicited donations to bail them out on Twitter.
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And that's, so it's their asses on the line when they're in the Capitol, right?
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You know, whose asses are on the line and all these protests, it's black people.
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Most of the time, these are black communities that are seeing their businesses get burned.
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And somehow we're supposed to accept that this is empowerment for people of color to let
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And it was, as we saw a lot of these riots, our white people burn the businesses down.
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There was a guy, um, I can't remember which publication he worked for, but he was tweeting
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in support of the riots saying, this is amazing.
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And then he has a tweet where he's like, oh no, they're coming to Beverly Hills where
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And I'm like, you know, it's really funny about that.
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That's where the, the, the, the Mexican population, Latinos live.
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You don't want them to cover coming, coming to rich white Beverly Hills.
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There was a, there were rappers and personalities in Atlanta who were saying, why are you burning
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These are white, white anti-folk progressives burning down black businesses.
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Well, then you've got the media that, that rush out to report after the Capitol Hill
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riot, that Brian Sicknick, the police officer was killed by these Trump supporters with a
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I was like, okay, you know, I, I, I realized the New York times is biased, but they reported
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that like it was a fact, like it was a confirmed fact.
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It's not true that he, he appears to have died from a stroke later that night back at
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They're trying to now use some kind of, uh, reductive reasoning that, well, certainly
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whatever led to the stroke was a contributing, was contributed to by the conflict he was in.
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And it's like, you don't know that you, they said he got, he died of blunt force trauma
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I remember recording when I heard the news and I was like, you know, to these Trump supporters
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who did this, what is wrong with this is sickening.
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You know, this is, this is absolutely sickening.
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And now I'm learning, look, clashing with the cops and trying to storm the building was
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one of the dumbest things they could have done.
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And, you know, it is a relief to hear that, uh, uh, you know, uh, this wasn't the result
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of a blunt force trauma, but it is still said, you know, this, this man lost his life.
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It was, it was dumb to storm the Capitol, but we can certainly see the media and many democratic
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politicians are trying to use the most extreme interpretations of what happened in order to
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I mean, I will say to be fair, it's also an issue with the Capitol police who apparently
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gave this information and haven't given much since, but your job as the reporter is to make
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And I mean, of all people, the daily mail apparently got it by calling the guy's mom
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and saying, yeah, I think, I think a local outlet in Houston actually reported the correct
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information like a few days later and everyone missed it because, well, people don't follow
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They're dying is, I mean, media in general is going so much more commercial.
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It's not a, you know, I still think there are people who think it's a public service and
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That was, believe me, very clear to me, um, by the time I left Fox that there was one goal
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And that's true at CNN and it's true at MSNBC and people need to understand that when they're
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Yeah, you know, I get accused of that a lot in the, in the work that I do, but I'm just
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like, I, I will talk, I, I, I disparage Trump periodically.
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I, I, I read the news and I give you my thoughts, my opinions and how I feel about things.
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There's a difference between, uh, you know, the three, I suppose.
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And, uh, that there's people who just will accuse you of being a grifter.
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They'll accuse you of just trying to make money.
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I worked for the ABC news, Univision joint venture.
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If I wanted money, I would have just said, tell me how high to jump and cut the paychecks.
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I didn't want to work for a company that was telling me to lie.
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When the contract ended, I said, have a nice day and good luck to you.
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So, yeah, I worked for, um, it was called fusion, which was the ABC news, Univision joint
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I actually worked out of the, I worked for about, uh, I think maybe a year in New York
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And then I went to Miami and worked out of the Univision building.
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And they told me to quote side with the audience.
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Uh, so when we were covering the conventions, they said, yeah, just side with the audience.
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And I said, okay, who's the audience young progressives.
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And I was like, uh-huh, listen, I'm going to tell people the truth.
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I'm not going to tell them, you know, whisper sweet nothings into their ears.
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And I actually was told, I asked this question of one of the, um, you know, higher ranking
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individuals at the company, like some of the highest ranking individuals don't want
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to avoid, I want to avoid maybe saying too specific, being too specific.
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But I said, if there is a factual news story that would be offensive to our audience, are
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And they said to me, yeah, I think that's fair.
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That's, and I told the story over and over again, you know, so the information about who
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these people are and what they said, it's all out there.
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We were in a big meeting with about, I think maybe like 30 or 40 people on our plans of
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So this is actually the second time it happened where this executive was like, just side with
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the audience, you know, young, progressive, liberal.
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And I'm like, okay, well, it's like, well, why don't we try to broaden our audience?
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You know, I used to have these debates with Roger Ailes when I was a young anchor and, you
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know, sometimes I do a segment he didn't like, or be, you know, something I editorially, he
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He never tried to stop it, but we talk about it.
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And I'd say, I want to, I want to broaden our audience.
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You know, like he was like, why'd you go on Howard Stern?
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I, he's got a lot of young men who may or may not watch Fox news.
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Why wouldn't I put myself in front of them and say, Hey, give me, give me a chance.
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Maybe what you've heard about me in the media isn't true.
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And I do believe that's how I built the largest independent audience in cable.
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And, and so, yes, maybe when I started off, I was inheriting a, an all Republican audience.
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But by the time I left Fox, my audience was the most diverse one at Fox.
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And it's because it's because I went after them and I told the truth, you know, it's
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like, and then, and then for me, service of my audience was the truth, right?
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In a perfect world, all the goals align, you service them and you service the truth.
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And, and I hear that all the time, even on this podcast, people write in the reviews.
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I may not always agree with you, but I trust you.
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Well, I mean, not to their credit, but I was at a rally in San Jose.
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I was outside and I watched, I filmed as a mob of Bernie Sanders, many Bernie Sanders
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I don't want to say the entire group was, but I'm mostly they were.
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And they smacked a guy in the back of the head with some kind of bag and it left him
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And I had, I think it was Cavuto's show reached out to me saying they wanted to have
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Surprisingly, fusion said, yeah, definitely do it.
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And I'm like, isn't the progressive employee base of this company.
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And, and so my understanding is early on when I first joined fusion, they did not intend
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to be a progressive ultra woke, you know, activist blog.
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And I guess for some reason they went that route.
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And I think that's what ultimately led to their destruction because they, they've ceased
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And I was like, yeah, I'll definitely go on Fox news.
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And so I went on, uh, I can't remember who the host was.
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I don't think it was, uh, Cavuto, someone sent a filling in for him, but certainly many
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of the employees at the company were angry with me for doing it and started to say disparaging
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I, I, I've never cared for like, look, you can believe what you want.
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So I left the company, started doing my own thing.
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I'm not going to be pressured or shamed into changing my opinions.
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Back to Tim in one second, but first we're going to bring you a feature we call asked
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and answered here at the Megan Kelly show, where Steve Krakauer, our EP comes in with
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the question and I will hopefully have the answer.
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Uh, we're bringing a question today from one of our social accounts.
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This one came to us from Twitter, uh, and peach, someone named peach has a question for
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She wants to know one of our favorite things about your new show is the way you're highlighting
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What advice would you give to a woman in their twenties in this current social climate?
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And what advice would you have given yourself if you could go back?
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Well, I talk about a lot of it sometimes on this show, you know, it's sort of most of
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Number one right now, given the climate, do not lean into victimhood.
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As I, as I've said that I tell my own daughter, life will deal enough actual victim moments
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You don't have to make them up when they're not actually there.
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Don't borrow somebody else's worry or somebody else's victimhood, right?
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In fact, you should be trying to shake off the aura of victimhood whenever it does actually
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Every single successful person I know works their tail off and they don't complain about it.
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You got to find something you love so that it's not too painful to do.
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But even if you don't love it, if you want to succeed, work your ass off and don't complain.
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Your boss doesn't want to hear your complaints about how hard you're working.
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And one other thing, if you have a problem at your office place, you can bring it to your
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boss, but bring solutions to say, all right, this is my problem.
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I think also remembering that no one's coming to save you is very helpful.
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Not a husband, not a friend, not a parent, not a colleague.
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Your boss, if they haven't rewarded you with a big raise, they may not know you exist.
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My friend, Canadian Debbie, my producer and friend of the show, she's got three kids.
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But my point is, change your life for the better.
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And by the way, for the young girls, if we're talking about young girls in particular, don't
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I'm telling you, your life will be happier if you don't make those choices.
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And when you do get into the sack with somebody, enjoy it to the fullest extent.
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It's an awesome thing to do and with the right person.
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And if you followed my last rule, see, don't be a slut.
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And as for the advice I give to myself, if I could go back, girl, you do not need to
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As dire as your financial situation may be, find a way to get to a real colorist.
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You should not let your boyfriend apply the Clairol to those roots.
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And when you look back years from now, there's no getting those moments back.
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You know, the good people at Legacy Box, there are certain things they can't fix.
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So those are my thoughts off the top of my head.
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And anybody else who's got some questions, can send them to questions at devilmaycaremedia.com.
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As you know, I mean, everyone's so partisan now.
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And what happened just recently was as the Democrats are writing letters to the cable
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providers, to like Dish Network and Comcast saying, how do you see your ethical and moral
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duty when it comes to the product being put out by Fox News and Newsmax and OAN, right?
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It's basically like, you know, nice distribution network you have there.
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It would be a shame if anything happened to it.
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As they're doing that, you've got CNN actually basically removing its fact checker.
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It was literally every other day during the Trump administration.
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I never saw Daniel Dale, my my crack EP is letting me know.
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Guess how many times he's been on since since Biden took office once.
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You want to talk about disinformation, then let's talk about it.
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I'm shocked by the fact that there are people who believe this stuff, that they still watch
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You know, at a certain point, you have to be like, hey, maybe that's not correct because
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The double standards are obvious that people eat it up.
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Because I think, you know, cable has always been an older person's game.
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You know, Ben Shapiro always used to tell me if somebody under 40 stops me on the street,
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If somebody over 60 stops me on the street, I know they know me from Fox News.
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And I I just do you have any data on who is watching you on YouTube?
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Because I just I feel like that's probably a younger demo.
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Well, I'm I'm pretty sure I am crushing primetime cable in the key demo.
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And I get in, you know, viewership across my my podcast.
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So I have two different podcasts, but it's similar.
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And I'm getting maybe what's what's the numbers?
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And it's and one point three million are in the key demo.
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So that's between your podcast and your YouTube channel, your two podcasts and your YouTube channel.
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So so basically I have three different YouTube channels.
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Two of them are similar, where it's just me kind of talking for, you know, 20 minutes.
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And then we have the two hour long conversational podcast.
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The the one where we have a bunch of people talking is Timcast IRL.
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So that's just like my well, that's actually yeah, that's two different YouTube channels
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So it's like an hour and 20 minutes used to be a lot longer.
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I used to do like four hours or five hours a day of content.
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And then like, you know, I decided I got to I have to expand the business.
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So I'll need more time to focus on business stuff.
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But my my my my viewership in the key demo, I think, is like double what a lot of these
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I'd have to check on Tucker's numbers because he's he he's killing it, you know.
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But I think I look at like CNN and they get like half of what I get in mind you, it's
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So like Anderson Cooper's total unique viewership for the day might be comparable to mine.
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CNN as a whole is definitely getting way more, you know, key demo viewership than I am just
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comparing, like the amount of content I do to what they do is it's it's probably comparable,
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Well, I don't have I don't I don't have very many older people, to be honest.
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The cable news boon that was Trump is over and those numbers are only going to go down.
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I mean, that's just he was such a gift to all of cable, including Fox.
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And I laugh because when I left, it was right at the beginning.
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It was before he was sworn in and people were like, oh, the numbers went up after she
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I'm like, OK, with all due respect, I had the number one show in all of cable news when
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And secondly, everybody's numbers went up once Trump took office.
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So talk to me when you got a program during Barack Obama, the lean years.
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OK, yeah, he Trump saved not only these cable companies, but digital news outlets and social
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And then Trump comes in and then just the Trump bump lit everything up.
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Because I mean, you go on YouTube many times a day, like you'll pop up there and you do
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it 10 minutes and you do 20 minutes, then you come back and then you come back.
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Are you just sitting there waiting for the latest news development?
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And the first thing I do right when I open my eyes is my you know, I pick up my phone and
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I start scrolling through various news sources and news feeds.
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I have like my Twitter list is like, you know, a bunch of different journalists and news
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But also also I will also check some forums and then I get up, you know, daily morning stuff,
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Then just about around eight, I now have a bunch of stories I've seen that I'm reading
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into and then I'll just, you know, look at which one I think is the most relevant and
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I mean, there's millions of stories all the time and a bunch of them I see and it kind
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of like just, you know, lights a fire under me where I'm like, I start thinking a million
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miles a minute about what this means and what it is.
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And then I've got to express my thoughts on it.
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Then I record again between 11 and noon, another 20 or so minutes, usually like 20, 24 minutes.
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And then while throughout the day, I'm I'm covering, you know, I do a recording that gets published
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I'm also pulling up what I think is the bigger news of the day, which I publish at
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I bundle it up as a single podcast for, you know, iTunes that goes live around 6.
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And then at 7, I am upstairs in my secondary studio with our new with our guests that we've
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flown in ready to talk about all of this with with a group of people and have a conversation
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So and then I go to bed around maybe midnight, wake up at 7, do it again.
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There was a period where, you know, you mentioned YouTube was like, this guy does six per day.
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So it was just like, you know, at a certain point I was like, you know, if I had a few more
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hours per day, I could focus on actually expanding, hiring people, creating an actual network
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And so I decided, you know, I got rid of the six o'clock segments, which were each 10 minutes
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And then I stopped doing weekends because I couldn't even go to the bank if, you know,
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Yes, I do have a significant other, not married, but I, you know, I normally I never bring this
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up because one of the biggest fears is that people are going to try and figure out who
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she is and what she does and cause problems.
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And I I kind of just let the left, you know, these people who really don't like that.
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I don't like to say the left because, you know, a lot of a lot of liberals, moderates,
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But these I know we don't want to sweep people like crystal ball into that, you know, like
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So it's like a short form of describing the unreasonable.
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But they like to, you know, I don't take photos.
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I don't you know, there's there's not Instagram photos of me and, you know, my girlfriend
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or something like that because I don't want to cause harassment because they'll definitely
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You know, they're just people who hate me, be it.
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I don't know, the far right or far left, whichever they are, because there are certainly
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a lot of, you know, far right individuals, whatever that necessarily means.
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And just it makes me laugh every time I see these people trying trying to attack me as
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And I'm like, I just don't post that stuff because I don't share it.
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I mean, I've I've got people harassing my former business associates.
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And it's just a it's a part of life when you have a large following in your public figure.
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I'm sure you probably get similar stuff to a worse degree.
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So I just try to keep that stuff as private as possible.
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Well, you know, we're planning on doing a vlog around the production studio.
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And, you know, once, you know, it gets warmer and things lighten up, we're going to be doing
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And so I think people will start to see a lot more behind the curtain about, you know,
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I think people just want me to post on Instagram so they can see the social life stuff.
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I know it's it's basically just outside the D.C.
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So you guys are a little bit warmer climates and you're in the heart of government area,
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at least now, which is like full of a bunch of stiffs, but some nice people and a lot
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I'm about to I'm about to turn thirty five in about a week or two, though.
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You're just you're going to be dominating the media landscape for a long time.
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You're so smart and you're driven and you're fiery and you're willing to work hard.
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Yeah, I've been skateboarding for twenty two, twenty twenty one years or so.
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So I've got the skate park, but I also play music.
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I recorded a song and my friend Nishra Allman produced it.
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It's called Will of the People and we put it up just before the election.
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So I've also been playing music since I was probably six or seven years old.
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But I was really humbled because a bunch of people who hate my guts were posting the link
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And the responses from these people who hate me was, man, that's actually, you know, a
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I've been skateboarding longer than I've been doing any of this.
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My main source of enjoyment is complaining about things on the Internet.
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Aside from that, hanging out with my friends and skateboarding.
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I mean, I follow a lot of people on Twitter whose views I do not share, you know, like
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there are some very woke activists, BLM, you know, sort of crazy far left positions on
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And I follow them because I like to get differing viewpoints.
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And sometimes they'll tweet something about their personal lives.
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And I'll notice they'll like stuff I post that's, you know, more personal.
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And I love that it restores my faith in humanity.
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They know I'm not with them on those woke issues.
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But when I see a like from from one of these folks or I give them one, I just I feel like,
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We can fight a lot and fight for what we believe in, but we can still see each other and
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There's a guy I've known for a long time on Facebook, and we used to argue all the time
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because he's more progressive and I'm heterodox, whatever you want to describe it.
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But we certainly got into arguments, but we agree on so much.
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I was like, we spend too much time arguing on the things we disagree with.
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So now I try to make it a habit of, you know, when I see socialist or far left or progressive,
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you know, Twitter accounts, I'll just say something nice.
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And I've been doing this thing on my podcast where it's almost partly in jest.
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But I tell people, like, say one nice thing about Antifa.
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And it's funny because everyone's like, don't make me do that.
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She's a she's a she's a lovely wave to Uncle Tifa.
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But I think, you know, I think if we if we keep our our political rivals, I don't
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want to say enemies, our political rivals in our minds as villains who are unredeemable.
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That's just you're never going to solve your problems if if you approach things that way.
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I know the other, you know, tribes or whatever, whoever in conflict won't necessarily agree
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with me, but I thought to myself, look, well, I certainly think these people are misguided
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I think we need to make sure we recognize them as people and we need to recognize that
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they're being driven by some kind of idea that they've been given, whether it's right
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And we need to figure out how we convince them to stop burning things down and breaking
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things or to at least compromise and, you know, chill out on the violence and maybe
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figure out how we move forward without hurting each other.
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You don't got to say they're the greatest in the world, but you can be like, well, they're
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So I just try to I'm I'm I'm really hoping that we can simmer things down.
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So, you know, I'll tweet at some of these Democratic Socialist types, some some like
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like, you know, there's one progressive who announced that he was about to break half
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And I said, wow, congrats, you know, congrats, bro.
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Well, they immediately I got inundated and I told a friend of mine who is more center
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I said, I think the right needs a meme where you just say compliments to the left because
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One, I think it really can help to kind of simmer things down.
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You know, Twitter is a really awful place where everyone's mean to each other.
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If you decide that you're going to be polite and nice to people and, you know, if you don't
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have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.
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By all means, you know, challenge their politics.
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Then let regular people assess when they see this Twitter thread.
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And you're like, with the utmost respect, I appreciate your work.
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Well, then let regular people see what they have to offer and then let them decide which
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they would, you know, which idea they would rather be by or which person they'd
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I think being polite, being respectful, it's going to win way more friends and allies than
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And on Twitter and IRL, as the kids say, you know, both areas.
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Well, listen, I think it's wonderful what you're doing.
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And I'm learning a lot from you as somebody who's much more new to this independent media
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So I'm just going to follow your example, though, not work quite as hard.
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Like, I don't know, I, I, I can't, I don't understand why people aren't working so hard.
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I have a lot of years and a lot of kids that make it kind of impossible.
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You know, my problem is like, so this is a one to two hour, sometimes three hour show.
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And I prepare for each one, like it's going to be eight hours.
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I've got a great team that gets me prepared for these interviews.
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And then I just let it marinate and sort of think, what do I want to ask?
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Like, I'm sure there's some people get an outline in front of them.
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They go out and they do it and it's over and they don't really think about it much.
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And I did learn pretty quickly after I became both a mother of three kids and an employee
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You know, so you'll find out when you marry the girl and you have the kids many moons
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from now, it's going to be just down to the Tim cast and one YouTube show.
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Well, I'm thinking about that in regards to if I only make shows that are just me or
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If I die tomorrow, my employees are in serious trouble.
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So I need to figure out how to, you know, the ideas behind what I do and the work I do
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needs to be able to be given to other people and to an entity beyond just me.
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And I'm really kind of disappointed that, you know, we had this really funny story where
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Elon Musk gave a comment to the Washington Post.
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He said, give my regards to your puppet master.
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And I'm like, sure, but can't the second richest person in the world throw a couple million
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dollars towards starting a news venture to give legitimate news?
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And it's I wish I had the billions, but I certainly have a lot of, you know, audience
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And I'm going to put that money into somehow creating something that's going to do that
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Don't have the same resources at Elon, but we're going to do it.
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If there's one good thing about the insanity that has come over our country this past year,
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you know, corporate America and sports and media and Hollywood and all of it and the
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It's that I think it has motivated some deep pockets on the other side to start fighting.
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Like this is we're losing the country and it's the time to just be quiet and pretend you're
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completely PC and in favor of all the right causes is over.
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You know, they're indoctrinating children to become little woke warriors.
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And the first person they learn to hate is you.
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So there is a silver lining, I think, to the nonsense.
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Yeah, I had an interesting family breakfast a year or so ago with my niece, and I was explaining
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to my family critical race theory and the equity versus equality stuff and why it's insidious
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Certainly, I understand the good intentions behind wanting to end racism, of course.
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And so I showed this image to my my sister, my mom, which is you may have seen it.
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It's three people watching a baseball game behind a fence.
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Everybody gets one crate to stand on, but then the small person can't see.
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And so they say equity is giving two crates and taking from the tall person who doesn't
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And my niece said she goes, oh, I've seen that.
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And I was like, they're teaching you this stuff in school.
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And then I tried explaining to her the problem with it.
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I said, when they talk to you about critical race theory, you can't actually quantify how
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like mathematically race and access to resources.
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We have a sort of general feeling based on history and, and, you know, I mean, civil rights
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You can say, I will take one crate from a tall person and give it to a small person.
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But when you have two poor people and one's black and one's white, how do you quantify
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So it really was scary to me that I, that I saw, you know, my, my niece was nine already
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I call it, I call it the, the cult or the woke cult or the, uh, dogmatic left.
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And I think as we've seen from the mainstream media and their opinions, it's spreading, it's
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Joe Biden has announced he's going to be bringing it back because Trump, you know, had that executive
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This is the kind of stuff that, that really freaks me out.
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And, you know, I, I did get mocked quite a bit, uh, playfully by my audience for talking
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about my, my family and, you know, being mixed race, being part, part Asian, because my family
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actually experienced the, the hate and the discrimination.
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My, um, you know, I don't want to get too personal, but you know, my mom grew up before
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And then it was only once she was, uh, uh, you know, I think 10 or 11, the laws actually,
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uh, you know, the Supreme court actually had their ruling.
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And so I thought, I find it fascinating that the things my mom described to me and the things
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my, my, my, my grandfather described to me with these, these, you know, the way things
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used to be is exactly the way the woke left is trying to make them again.
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And so I had to question why it was, you know, we recently saw California
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tried to, they tried to revoke their civil rights provision from their own constitution
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that protected people based on rate, why they would do that.
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And so I see, I see this effort to make everything about race.
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I think these people are just racist and they want to, they want to use their race to empower
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But when a bunch of white progressives show up in Atlanta and burn down black businesses
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and then claim they're the heroes of, uh, you know, uh, of, of fighting racism, but
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want race-based laws while they're burning down black businesses.
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I have to say that, that sounds like white supremacists to me.
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And it's, and it's forced on you to back, back to the theme of our discussion by a dishonest
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media that's looking to line its own pocket and virtue signal so they can feel good about
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themselves if million dollar anchors who don't have any of the same worries as most of America,
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but they can go to bed at night thinking I'm a good person.
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Meanwhile, Kenosha burns because of the, of the lies they've told.
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And on that happy note, no, it's seriously though, Tim, it's been wonderful having you
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and I hope you come back and I would love to join you from wherever you are, uh, at any
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You should come out here and come on the, come on the show and you get a chance.
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I would love to do it, uh, anytime, but at that point you will have to tell me where
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Don't forget to listen to the show on Wednesday because we have got Janice Dean coming back
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on the program and man, other updates about Andrew Cuomo.
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Little Janice, the meteorologist who Soledad O'Brien was like, oh, the weather woman weighs
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The weather woman is not exactly single-handedly, but pretty close responsible for the shit storm
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that has rained down on this corrupt man in the past six months.
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Nobody else is giving this the time of the day, including you, Soledad, and your, your
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And Janice Dean dragged people kicking and screaming to the story of his corruption, which
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has now morphed into a serious sexual harassment allegation by a woman who's gone on the record
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and detailed what he allegedly did to her in writing.
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And we're going to talk to her about whether there's a real chance Andrew Cuomo could be
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JD, one of our top rated episodes from our, our fall launch.
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The Megyn Kelly Show is a Devil May Care media production in collaboration with Red Seat Ventures.