The Megyn Kelly Show - Tim Pool on Big Tech Censorship, Establishment Media Bias, and What He's Building Next

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00:01:01.320 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:03.260 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:01:12.620 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.460 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.960 Today, Tim Pool.

00:01:18.560 He's amazing.

00:01:19.920 Do you know this guy?

00:01:20.880 He's like the hardest working guy on YouTube.

00:01:23.480 And he's a citizen journalist.

00:01:25.740 I mean, he's worked for the big conglomerates, but now he's on his own and he's killing it.

00:01:29.340 He's got tons and tons, millions of followers on YouTube.

00:01:31.800 His podcast is killing it.

00:01:33.180 He was on Joe Rogan not long ago.

00:01:34.940 He's the guy who cross-examined the Twitter executives

00:01:37.280 and just really put it to them about their censorship of conservatives, which he's not,

00:01:42.860 but he sees the unfairness.

00:01:44.320 He's just, he's smart and he's interesting and he's funny.

00:01:47.120 He's on fire.

00:01:47.680 So he's here.

00:01:48.700 Yay.

00:01:49.180 You're really going to enjoy him.

00:01:50.260 Tim Pool, host of the TimCast IRL.

00:01:53.300 TimCast.

00:01:54.080 And the Tim Pool Daily Show podcast too.

00:01:56.020 That's coming up right after this.

00:02:01.720 Tim Pool, how's it going?

00:02:03.560 Pretty good.

00:02:04.240 Megan Kelly.

00:02:05.120 Great to, well, at least digitally meet you.

00:02:07.840 I know.

00:02:08.440 Same.

00:02:08.860 I'm excited for this conversation and I'm excited by what you do.

00:02:11.840 Cool.

00:02:13.140 It's like you're, you're like street journalist who's turned against the masters of the media,

00:02:20.900 so-called masters, and you're killing it.

00:02:23.620 I love it.

00:02:25.000 Yeah.

00:02:25.460 Thank you.

00:02:26.220 So it's funny.

00:02:26.700 Let me tell you the first time I really understood your power.

00:02:29.560 When I was off in between launching this podcast and my NBC job, I met with YouTube a couple

00:02:35.800 of times.

00:02:36.200 They're very sweet.

00:02:37.680 And they were saying, you know, there are a lot of people who are really doing a great

00:02:40.580 job with news on YouTube and getting followers.

00:02:42.900 And they mentioned you.

00:02:44.080 And I'm like, well, who is Tim Pool?

00:02:45.740 And I said, well, he's this guy in a beanie who posts like six times a day and he's got

00:02:49.300 millions of followers.

00:02:52.260 I'm like, wait, I follow him on Twitter.

00:02:54.160 And you were, you're very popular in both places.

00:02:56.540 And I, I get it now.

00:02:57.980 Cause I, I have since become a fan.

00:03:00.120 I mean, I don't, I just, uh, I mean, I guess I do.

00:03:03.300 I just complain on the internet, I suppose, but I don't know.

00:03:06.280 People like it, I guess.

00:03:07.440 They do.

00:03:08.480 Well, you're very, you're very cogent.

00:03:10.860 You're like very good at saying how you feel in a way that is clear and concise and easy

00:03:16.100 to understand.

00:03:16.900 And it's such that I was surprised to learn you hadn't been doing, you know, some long

00:03:21.960 career in communications prior to becoming a de facto journalist.

00:03:26.340 No, I think I actually had a bigger advantage than communications.

00:03:29.080 I was a nonprofit fundraiser for on and off for about a year and a half, two years.

00:03:34.240 And, uh, I worked for some of the biggest nonprofits.

00:03:36.120 So when your job is to be persuasive and communicate clearly and quickly to, you know, random people

00:03:44.400 either at events or on the street, I got pretty good at it, I guess had to, yeah, in order

00:03:49.920 to make money, you know?

00:03:51.040 And so then when I started doing, you know, I went to occupy wall street, it's our live

00:03:54.280 streaming and stuff.

00:03:55.100 I guess it just worked out.

00:03:56.640 It certainly did.

00:03:57.480 And, and really raised your profile in a way like nothing else other than your cross

00:04:03.520 examination of the Twitter executives.

00:04:06.180 It was Jack Dorsey himself on Joe Rogan, along with his right hand woman, uh, whose name I

00:04:11.740 don't remember.

00:04:12.360 Forgive me.

00:04:13.100 Okay, there you go.

00:04:15.180 And you were there wanting answers and, and I just want our audience to understand, I'm

00:04:20.400 sure they know you, but you're a liberal.

00:04:22.900 You are, this is not Tucker Carlson going on with Joe Rogan asking these questions, but

00:04:27.060 you noticed a bias, a bias in media, a bias on Twitter, and that they always seem to be

00:04:33.120 silencing the same side, right?

00:04:35.680 I mean, was this something that was well established in your mind prior to that cross

00:04:39.320 examination?

00:04:40.680 Yeah, of course.

00:04:41.180 I think, you know, to, to clarify in the liberal position too, I don't even know if these words

00:04:44.880 mean anything, right?

00:04:46.100 Cause I, I, I, I used to watch Bill Maher all the time and I, Megan, I didn't watch your

00:04:50.980 show.

00:04:51.260 I watched, you know, real time with Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, my political positions always

00:04:55.220 aligned pretty closely to like moderate traditional liberals, but I don't look conservatives will

00:05:00.880 call me a leftist and the left will call me far right or conservative.

00:05:06.100 So I don't even know what this means anymore, but I will say if, if, if you're honestly looking

00:05:11.580 at the news, because I'm reading mainstream corporate press, I'm watching Fox and CNN,

00:05:18.180 I'm reading, you know, the examiner and Breitbart, cause I'm trying to see what people are saying,

00:05:22.580 what's their evidence.

00:05:23.240 It was very obvious if you're being honest, because the story about conservative censorship

00:05:28.160 was actually broken by Gizmodo in May of 2018.

00:05:31.580 So I'm sitting here and I'm reading a leftist publication, Gizmodo say Facebook staff were

00:05:37.800 removing conservative news outlets.

00:05:39.420 And I said, wow, that's, that's kind of crazy.

00:05:40.840 Why would they do that?

00:05:42.060 Then when I started saying, yeah, we, we know this is true because it was actually corporate

00:05:46.900 digital outlets that were reporting on this.

00:05:48.880 For some reason it became untrue among the mainstream press.

00:05:53.500 And I don't quite understand why.

00:05:55.740 So it's the whole story about the Joe Rogan podcast with Jack Dorsey.

00:05:59.580 It's really fascinating because what had happened was I had commented on YouTube.

00:06:04.440 I had a much smaller following on YouTube.

00:06:06.600 I commented on the Joe Rogan, Jack Dorsey podcast, and it automatically got flagged by Joe's company

00:06:13.280 for copyright because I showed a still of it.

00:06:16.160 And so I reached out to Joe.

00:06:18.160 I was like, Hey, could you like remove that?

00:06:19.720 That's, you know, kind of messed up.

00:06:21.040 And he was like, Oh man, that's, that's, it was an automatic thing.

00:06:23.300 You know, you know, I'm so sorry.

00:06:24.860 But then he watched my commentary and I guess Joe listened to what I had to say.

00:06:29.520 He's like, Oh, this dude knows a ton about what's going on with this.

00:06:32.240 And then we had a conversation.

00:06:33.980 Then Joe invited me on his show.

00:06:35.360 And then after the first episode, he's like, don't tell anybody, I want you to come on

00:06:38.900 with Jack Dorsey again so that you can kind of have this conversation that, you know,

00:06:43.720 I'm not as well versed in.

00:06:44.640 And then I guess it ended up becoming, uh, you know, interestingly, there were some other

00:06:48.620 writers, leftists who said it was one of the most culturally significant things to happen,

00:06:53.460 you know, in the past few years.

00:06:55.540 Yeah.

00:06:56.100 Oh, I mean, it means so much news and it was so exciting to watch.

00:07:00.160 Um, I'm going to play a clip of it in a second, but I wanted to say, I understand your point

00:07:04.680 about not understanding your party.

00:07:05.860 I mean, I look at who do I, who do I like for information?

00:07:09.340 Who do I feel aligned with, you know, from a journalistic perspective?

00:07:12.080 I love Matt Taibbi.

00:07:13.500 I, I love Barry Weiss.

00:07:15.060 I like a lot of what Andrew Sullivan writes.

00:07:17.680 I love Tucker.

00:07:18.640 I love Victor Davis Hanson.

00:07:20.300 I go to Brett Baer.

00:07:21.300 I'm so confused.

00:07:22.420 I don't know what any of that makes me right.

00:07:24.860 Well, I supported Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang early on, and then was really, you know,

00:07:30.600 I'm a big fan of Tulsi even to this day, but I ended up voting for Trump because I don't

00:07:34.740 know, I don't, I don't understand what it is the Democrats are representing or what the

00:07:38.620 progressives wanted out of what was going on.

00:07:41.700 Yeah.

00:07:42.260 I mean, I want to get into your politics in a second because I think it's interesting

00:07:44.720 because you had some, said some stuff about the Kyle Rittenhouse situation that I thought

00:07:48.200 were really interesting.

00:07:49.280 Okay.

00:07:49.480 But let's get back to Twitter because I mean, look, I realize it's easy to hate Twitter and there

00:07:53.360 are things I love about Twitter and I'm sure you do too, but there's no question that it

00:07:57.740 is a left leaning organization and their, their bias is clearly toward the progressives.

00:08:03.660 So you get the chance that we would all love to have, which is actually to put it right

00:08:07.660 to them.

00:08:08.300 And let's listen.

00:08:09.580 Tim, your platform restricts speech.

00:08:12.840 Our platform promotes speech unless people violate our rules.

00:08:16.700 And in a specific direction.

00:08:18.380 In any direction.

00:08:19.500 But uncle, I don't want to say his name.

00:08:21.200 The guy who calls for death gets a suspension.

00:08:23.120 The guy who insinuates death gets a permanent ban.

00:08:25.140 But Tim, you're, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

00:08:27.860 And I feel like you're doing it deliberately.

00:08:29.500 It's not about one particular thing.

00:08:31.120 It's about a pattern in practice of violating our rules.

00:08:33.040 And you have a pattern in practice of banning only one faction of people.

00:08:35.840 Quillette recently published an article where they looked at 22 high profile bannings from

00:08:39.760 2015 and found 21 of them were only on one side of the cultural debate.

00:08:44.180 But I don't look at the political spectrum of people when I'm looking at their tweets.

00:08:47.380 Right.

00:08:47.640 You, you have a bias.

00:08:48.700 I don't know who they are.

00:08:49.280 You're biased and you are, you're targeting specific individuals because your rules support

00:08:53.180 this perspective.

00:08:54.960 Well done.

00:08:55.920 That's exactly it.

00:08:57.840 That's exactly it.

00:08:58.800 Did she, did she ever see the light?

00:09:00.500 She did on the, on the episode.

00:09:02.120 It was, it was fascinating, but I don't, I don't know if she necessarily saw the light.

00:09:05.840 The way we would describe it.

00:09:08.400 But the main point that I brought up in their rules being biased, because Jack, it seemed

00:09:14.260 like he took offense to it.

00:09:15.180 When I said your rules are biased, he said, no, they're not.

00:09:18.520 What I genuinely think Jack and Vijay did not understand is that one of the rules of Twitter

00:09:24.380 is the misgendering policy.

00:09:26.040 Just watch a Ben Shapiro clip.

00:09:28.340 Ben Shapiro's worldview, the conservative worldview is that if someone is born biologically male,

00:09:33.320 their pronouns are he, him, the progressive worldview is that you choose your pronouns.

00:09:39.040 So if we were going to have an honest discussion about what it means to misgender, there's two

00:09:42.820 predominant views and they disagree with each other.

00:09:46.060 If Twitter says we are enforcing only the progressive worldview, then the rules are biased

00:09:51.260 against conservatives.

00:09:52.380 And I think the, like, I think Jack genuinely didn't realize that.

00:09:55.900 And I said it to him and they kind of looked like, oh, I didn't think about that.

00:09:58.920 And I think Vijay's response was, thank you for your feedback.

00:10:02.160 And that was a point where she stopped, you know, that, that pushback of saying you're

00:10:06.180 misinterpreting or things like that.

00:10:07.540 I think they genuinely understood, oh, we do that, don't we?

00:10:10.920 And then they just carried on doing it.

00:10:13.000 And so, look, I've, I've, I've, I've talked with Jack over the years and I think he's a

00:10:17.460 nice guy, but I do not trust him.

00:10:19.440 He's routinely talked about wanting to do all of these really great things that he's never

00:10:23.080 done.

00:10:23.900 You know, he's, he's talked about a path to redemption, people who are permanently suspended.

00:10:27.420 They've not, they've never introduced that.

00:10:29.860 In fact, it's only made the rules more strict and, and, and worse.

00:10:32.800 I think, I think what's happening now on Twitter is worse than it's ever been because now they're

00:10:37.340 Twitter itself is issuing direct statements on people's tweets.

00:10:42.320 So for instance, I tweeted recently rather, you know, in a snarky manner about the time

00:10:48.260 magazine article about the 2020 shadow campaign to save the election or whatever.

00:10:53.280 And, and I said, time magazine has said a cabal of elites fortified the election, et cetera.

00:11:00.100 Twitter disabled the tweet and then claimed what I said was in dispute when I was, I mean,

00:11:05.740 the time magazine article actually says the word wealthy cabal of elites, conspiracy, all

00:11:10.280 of those things.

00:11:10.740 And I was like mocking time magazine for this article.

00:11:14.620 They claimed that my tweet was in dispute and could lead to violence.

00:11:17.560 So they disabled this now in my, I view that as a false statement of fact, what I tweeted

00:11:22.600 was not in dispute.

00:11:23.660 I was literally citing time magazine.

00:11:25.660 I didn't say it was true.

00:11:27.020 I said time magazine claimed.

00:11:28.520 So for Twitter to then make that statement, it's well beyond just banning someone.

00:11:33.640 They're actually issuing their own speech as a corporation.

00:11:36.260 And I take issue with that.

00:11:37.440 Now the question is whether anybody really wants to sue Twitter for defamation for issuing

00:11:41.040 false statements of fact.

00:11:42.600 I'm not sure.

00:11:43.680 And this may be the problem if people on the right or on this side of the debate are willing

00:11:48.340 to step up and do it.

00:11:49.660 I guess so long as they aren't willing to do it, it'll just keep happening.

00:11:52.620 So maybe I will have to sue.

00:11:54.080 But I mean, even saying that right away already weakens my position.

00:11:56.900 So it probably wouldn't happen.

00:11:58.740 Well, and you know, it's like if you're a public figure, which you would be considered

00:12:01.440 that you can't win a defamation suit.

00:12:03.440 I mean, that's really just the bottom line.

00:12:04.540 You can't when people say like, well, why don't you sue if they've printed lies about

00:12:07.380 you?

00:12:07.880 Just take a look at the jurisprudence on public figures trying to sue for defamation.

00:12:11.680 You you can't win.

00:12:14.060 Yeah, but certainly in this situation, you can't.

00:12:17.260 You have to prove that they knew what they were saying was false.

00:12:20.100 And I think there's there's still an important aspect of a lawsuit in this regard.

00:12:24.700 They use an algorithm to automatically do a lot of this work.

00:12:28.380 So I wonder what the defamation laws, what the precedent would be, because maybe I could

00:12:32.960 say I don't think it's called actual malice.

00:12:36.240 And that doesn't mean, you know, ill intent.

00:12:38.040 It means not knowledge or or doubt.

00:12:41.120 So if the defaming party knows for a fact what they're saying is false, that would be

00:12:45.900 considered actual malice.

00:12:46.840 I wonder what the judge would rule if it's a robot that did it, because maybe that's

00:12:51.860 reckless disregard having a machine just randomly defame people.

00:12:55.560 Maybe that might negate it.

00:12:56.660 I'm not sure.

00:12:58.120 Don't count on it.

00:12:59.140 I mean, I like how we're such a you know, we give a wide berth when it comes to free speech

00:13:03.280 in this country and when it comes to the First Amendment.

00:13:04.980 So it'd be somewhat ironic if their free speech and canceling somebody else's free speech is

00:13:09.960 the beneficiary of that birth.

00:13:11.300 But that's that's where we're going.

00:13:13.240 Just just a couple of days ago, Stephen Crowder got his tweet booted off the Internet because

00:13:17.240 he actually went and did a little investigation on some of the addresses that have been registered

00:13:21.920 to vote in the last presidential election and found nobody's there.

00:13:26.080 Nobody lives there.

00:13:27.260 You know, I saw you tweet about this.

00:13:28.920 Right.

00:13:29.280 And so that's actual journalism.

00:13:31.380 That's what we used to call journalism.

00:13:33.280 Let's go check it out.

00:13:34.280 He didn't say it's Kraken or Dominion in any of that stuff.

00:13:38.660 And that was too much for Twitter, at least for a day or so.

00:13:41.980 Oh, yeah.

00:13:42.140 This was brilliant on Crowder's part because the statement Twitter issued, they said this

00:13:46.940 tweet about election fraud or voter fraud is in this is disputed and, you know, is disabled,

00:13:52.340 whatever.

00:13:52.880 But what's brilliant about that is no one disputed Crowder's claim.

00:13:57.440 Now, I have not independently verified Crowder's investigation.

00:14:01.200 He sent some people with newspapers from this week to show you the date and show you the

00:14:05.880 parking lots where there's no buildings and no apartments where people can't possibly

00:14:09.240 live.

00:14:10.300 So what would need to happen is in order for Twitter to issue that statement of fact that

00:14:14.920 it's in dispute, there would have to have been some kind of dispute where someone said,

00:14:19.780 here's why that's not true.

00:14:20.620 But that never happened.

00:14:22.080 And so so this is where it's interesting.

00:14:24.320 Crowder Crowder stated he's not going to sue.

00:14:25.940 I wonder if he should, because Twitter putting that that that statement on his tweet is a

00:14:31.480 statement from Twitter claiming there's a dispute that has not happened.

00:14:36.340 If a journalist wants to come out and claim that Crowder's investigation was false, well,

00:14:41.080 then I would say that's a fair to make the statement.

00:14:43.280 I think I think Twitter defamed Crowder in that regard.

00:14:46.880 Hmm.

00:14:47.600 You know, somebody's going to have to make an example out of them because we're certainly

00:14:50.600 not going to win based on moral shaming.

00:14:52.320 I mean, to your point earlier, they listened, they said, hmm, these are good points, Tim.

00:14:58.180 And then they went and not only doubled, but tripled down.

00:15:00.680 Now Trump's off Twitter.

00:15:02.160 The Hunter Biden story got suppressed.

00:15:04.460 Anything that mentions voter fraud at a minimum gets flagged and more than likely gets banned.

00:15:09.960 And one wonders how far it can go.

00:15:12.720 Well, I wonder when someone like Trump is going to actually step up and just join a competing

00:15:18.620 platform.

00:15:19.120 You know, we hear often that, why don't you start your own social network and do things

00:15:23.360 like that?

00:15:24.080 Now, I understand Parler was was taken off by these big tech companies.

00:15:27.580 They're definitely putting putting their thumb on the scale and pushing their weight against

00:15:30.520 conservatives or just any, you know, anti-establishment or non-mainstream platform.

00:15:35.400 But if Trump joined any of these other platforms, it would cause a massive migration and it would

00:15:40.280 force these media outlets, these journalists to cover what he is saying.

00:15:45.260 I don't know if he still has that power.

00:15:46.740 He's not the president anymore.

00:15:47.500 I think he still does, but he doesn't do it.

00:15:50.260 And, you know, and for all these other very wealthy people who complain about the fake

00:15:54.260 news and the media lies, I wonder why they're not funding journalism.

00:15:58.080 They're kind of just complaining about it.

00:15:59.560 They have the resources to do it, but they don't.

00:16:02.420 I do think these other platforms are in the works and are going to come come up over the

00:16:06.920 next year or two, because I do think that the way the Trump presidency ended, let's put aside

00:16:11.880 the Capitol Hill riot, the reaction to on the free speech grounds, you know, online and just

00:16:20.320 everywhere, you know, with these now activists trying to pull Fox News off the air and so on

00:16:24.480 has really scared and shaken people on the right and just free speech advocates because it's

00:16:31.240 it's anti-constitutional.

00:16:32.860 I mean, it really is.

00:16:33.660 It's people don't understand.

00:16:35.800 This is one of the bedrocks of our entire country.

00:16:37.980 The ability to say controversial things that people can't stand.

00:16:43.020 I bet if you did a poll of college students and said, is hate speech unconstitutional?

00:16:49.780 Over 60 percent of them would say yes, that they think hate speech is banned, right?

00:16:53.660 Like that, like Chris Cuomo does at CNN.

00:16:56.180 He actually said that he put it in writing and said it.

00:16:58.460 He's a lawyer.

00:17:00.100 Yeah, it was really funny when that that young guy went viral, where I think it was Chris

00:17:04.280 Cuomo said who said that protests have to be peaceful.

00:17:07.080 And then the guy's like, it's right there in the First Amendment.

00:17:09.360 Maybe just have to read it.

00:17:10.520 But in that regard, when it comes to hate speech, maybe he should just read the First

00:17:13.600 Amendment, too.

00:17:15.320 Well, it's funny because I got I got all over him on that.

00:17:17.720 Like, are you some sort of a moron?

00:17:19.100 What did you actually go to law school?

00:17:20.420 Did you ever practice law?

00:17:21.420 Because it's like that it's it kind of exists to protect speech that others might consider

00:17:25.620 hateful, right?

00:17:26.600 It's like you always say it's there to protect not speech you like, but speech you don't

00:17:30.440 like the speech you love.

00:17:32.020 No one's going to try to cancel that.

00:17:33.160 But now we've gotten to a place where we, you know, we all have these glasses on.

00:17:36.280 We can see the exact same statement as hateful or loving, depending on what side of the

00:17:40.160 political aisle we're on, which is why the First Amendment is more important than it's

00:17:43.340 ever been.

00:17:44.060 We should be bending over backwards to platform as many individuals as possible.

00:17:48.800 And we were kind of doing that as the Internet exploded, as people like Tim Poole found a

00:17:53.000 way of like directly reaching an audience.

00:17:55.320 And I just think the overcorrection as a result of the Capitol Hill riot, of course, not because

00:17:59.200 of any of the BLM riots, but the Capitol Hill riot.

00:18:01.440 Right.

00:18:01.720 It has gotten into a dangerous place.

00:18:04.360 One of the scariest things I think I've seen as of recent was a leaked video from Project

00:18:08.840 Veritas of executives at Salesforce, which is one of the biggest companies in the world,

00:18:14.380 managing over 150,000 clients, customer relations in this video saying, you know, certain speech

00:18:21.080 like from President Trump at the RNC, they're not going to allow.

00:18:24.100 So I'll try and make it a little bit more specific.

00:18:25.360 They said, we're not going to allow speech that has the potential to incite violence,

00:18:30.240 not speech that does incite, but that's the potential to.

00:18:33.220 And they specifically reference the RNC and anything Trump might say and anything you might

00:18:38.540 say about election integrity.

00:18:40.660 Salesforce did not respond, threatening to essentially fire their clients when we saw a billion to

00:18:48.720 $2 billion in damages from Black Lives Matter riots.

00:18:51.380 And mind you, the sentiment that drove those riots was based off of misinformation or at

00:18:58.380 least misconceptions.

00:18:59.740 There's a really interesting set of data that was just released by, I think it's Skeptic

00:19:03.040 magazine, Zach Goldberg tweeted this out.

00:19:05.360 If you ask liberals how many unarmed or how many Black people were killed by police, the plurality

00:19:12.700 says over 1,000 in 2019.

00:19:15.580 And the actual number, I think, is like 23 or 27.

00:19:18.280 Now, each and every one of those deaths is abhorrent and horrifying.

00:19:20.800 I definitely think there needs to be accountability for that.

00:19:23.840 But when these people think that 1,000 people were killed, innocent people, I can understand

00:19:28.080 why they're angry.

00:19:29.380 If Salesforce thinks that banning Trump supporters, and they did announce, Veritas announced they

00:19:34.100 got severed from Salesforce because it's a potential to incite violence, the fact that

00:19:38.620 they're not looking at $2 billion in damage, and it's more than that probably, it's just $2

00:19:42.760 billion in insurance payments from misinformation around Black Lives Matter means that going forward

00:19:48.080 in the future, I think this may be one of the most serious acts of tech censorship we're

00:19:51.980 ever going to see, because Salesforce will now shutter entire companies who dare speak

00:19:57.280 in a certain way while they're not going after left-wing ideology.

00:20:02.100 It's just going to hobble right-wing ideology.

00:20:05.180 Like, this is why those of us who are committed to the facts, and I really have no dog in this

00:20:12.840 hunt.

00:20:13.680 You know, it's like, what are the facts?

00:20:16.220 If the cops are bad and are abusing their power, let's go there and let's fix it.

00:20:22.380 And no one's arguing that all cops are good.

00:20:25.140 There's no need for any reform.

00:20:26.580 Um, but if this is a media-created illusion, then we need to get honest about that, too.

00:20:33.300 That's why I look at people like, smart people like Coleman Hughes, who is a, he's a liberal.

00:20:37.420 This guy's, he is a liberal, but he's a Black man.

00:20:40.160 But he's an honest intellectual who took a look at the data.

00:20:43.800 And this is what Coleman said, and this is what I happen to believe, too, that there is

00:20:47.940 a problem with police roughing up Black suspects more than they would white.

00:20:53.080 But there isn't a problem of police hunting Black men in the street or shooting Black men

00:21:01.160 at a rate that is disproportionate, not just to their population, because that's not the

00:21:06.060 only relevant factor, but to the crime rate, their crime rate.

00:21:08.880 And we got to get honest about why the crime rate is what it is.

00:21:11.540 Already, you got people going, racist, racist, right?

00:21:14.620 It's so hard to have the conversations.

00:21:17.160 Yep.

00:21:17.680 Yeah.

00:21:18.380 Well, then it leads to riots.

00:21:19.900 It leads to people who have found a way to manipulate and to gaining power.

00:21:24.880 I think, you know what I think, I think our problem is, Megan, I think that you're being

00:21:28.580 honest.

00:21:29.400 I think that you're looking at the facts.

00:21:30.940 I think, to the best of our abilities, we're trying to understand the world and explain

00:21:35.540 what's going on to people.

00:21:37.360 We don't know everything, and not just you or I, but, you know, Ben Shapiro.

00:21:41.280 We don't read every single news outlet.

00:21:43.120 We don't read every single story or every perspective.

00:21:45.220 But we try to understand to the best of our abilities and explain our worldviews when you're

00:21:50.260 honest, but you're going up against people who are not honest.

00:21:53.380 You're at a very, very serious disadvantage.

00:21:55.660 There are people, there are news outlets.

00:21:57.920 You know, I recently got smeared by Poynter Institute.

00:22:02.440 They falsely framed a tweet of mine.

00:22:05.660 And what can I do?

00:22:07.860 They use clever language to get around.

00:22:09.460 Just to interrupt for one second, so Poynter, by some in the media, is considered like the

00:22:14.580 god of journalism.

00:22:15.920 They will be the final arbiter on what is and is not journalism.

00:22:19.380 It is a far-left organization.

00:22:21.380 Let me give you a hint.

00:22:22.620 They think everything anybody at Fox has ever done is disgusting and that they shouldn't

00:22:26.620 be by it, that they shouldn't be journalists at all.

00:22:28.600 And everything said on CNN and MSNBC is correct, and those are the truth tellers.

00:22:32.400 Go ahead.

00:22:32.860 Keep going.

00:22:33.120 And Poynter runs the, I think it's called the International Fact Checkers Network, which

00:22:38.300 determines what organization is allowed to be a fact checker on Facebook.

00:22:42.840 So I had that snarky tweet I mentioned about Time Magazine.

00:22:46.180 They used clever words.

00:22:47.880 They said in a post from controversial YouTuber Tim Poole, which said the election was rigged.

00:22:54.140 The tweet didn't say that, and it was a joke anyway.

00:22:57.640 But they do that in a way to circumvent defamation laws.

00:23:02.160 They say, oh, but we didn't say Tim said it.

00:23:04.100 We said the post said it, and it eluded.

00:23:06.140 And so they get around it.

00:23:07.320 They use trickery and weasel words.

00:23:10.860 They have the ability to fact check what I say, and they do it in a dishonest way.

00:23:16.960 And they use the system and its rules and loopholes to get around responsibility and accountability.

00:23:22.660 I would never do that.

00:23:23.960 I would not come out and say, you know, so-and-so at the Poynter Institute did something they

00:23:28.640 did not do.

00:23:29.320 And that means if we're playing fairly and they're not, well, then they can keep tricking

00:23:34.180 people and they can use that deception to gain power for themselves.

00:23:37.640 And they've put themselves in pretty prominent positions.

00:23:40.200 I actually had, this is amazing, Media Matters for America.

00:23:43.620 This is a left-wing publication that essentially just goes after, you know, people like you,

00:23:48.480 Megan, or Tucker Carlson, people like me.

00:23:50.700 Now, I'm called by many people fairly milquetoast.

00:23:53.980 We had a video from my podcast, TimCast IRL, where our guest, Jack Murphy, said, he said

00:24:01.760 that Donald Trump presented concrete examples of evidence of voter fraud.

00:24:07.280 He didn't say it was legitimate proof of voter fraud.

00:24:10.260 He didn't say it proves there was voter fraud.

00:24:11.980 He said Trump gave examples of concrete examples of voter fraud.

00:24:15.120 That's an abstract.

00:24:16.720 Media Matters publishes this article claiming that, you know, we're pushing fraud or whatever,

00:24:21.360 which is totally absurd, and then claims that our ads have been removed.

00:24:25.460 I checked our podcast and the ads were still there.

00:24:28.640 And so I don't know, you know, why they're targeting us for having a legitimate conversation.

00:24:33.200 And we never asserted what they tried to allude to that we were asserting.

00:24:37.560 It seems more like the intention is either just to write something that gets views or to

00:24:43.780 cause economic damage to political ideas or conversations they don't like.

00:24:48.180 At any rate, it's a dishonest attempt, in my opinion, to win a political battle.

00:24:54.680 And again, I look at what, you know, Donald Trump files an appeal with Facebook asking

00:24:59.120 for his account back.

00:25:00.160 And I'm like, it's not going to happen.

00:25:01.540 And if it does, why would you do that?

00:25:03.140 They've been abusing you and defaming you, blocking your tweets, blocking your posts.

00:25:08.480 Trump needs to go and make his own thing or join something else.

00:25:11.380 I agree with what you said earlier, that it's coming.

00:25:13.900 And so I hope so.

00:25:14.860 I certainly do.

00:25:15.440 More with Tim in one second.

00:25:17.320 We're going to talk about what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and his take on Kyle

00:25:22.100 Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old who went there that night to try to protect the businesses

00:25:26.520 and the people, but wound up shooting three people.

00:25:29.740 And he's now facing murder charges, this kid is.

00:25:32.980 Tim's got a very different view of what Kyle did that night and does not see him as any sort

00:25:37.980 of a villain.

00:25:38.800 We'll talk about it.

00:25:39.600 And we'll talk about why it was that incident that made Tim wind up voting for Donald Trump.

00:25:45.740 That's next.

00:25:50.060 Even that word controversial to describe you like that.

00:25:53.420 They only use that word for people who don't toe the leftist line.

00:25:58.920 I never see them talk about Don Lemon by saying controversial TV host Don Lemon, right?

00:26:06.180 They don't do that.

00:26:07.020 They only if you won't say exactly what they want you to say about these issues, you get

00:26:12.260 that label.

00:26:13.540 Yeah.

00:26:13.700 And Don Lemon's infinitely more controversial than I am.

00:26:16.560 I mean, the guy got sued for, you know, assaulting some guy or something like that.

00:26:20.140 Or, you know, I don't remember the exact story.

00:26:22.620 Let me repeat it, because I just think since no one else is going to report it, I will keep

00:26:27.860 reporting it until somebody pays attention to it, because I've seen a lot of my colleagues

00:26:31.700 in the news, male colleagues, dragged through the mud by CNN when so much as a whiff of an

00:26:37.900 allegation gets hurled against them.

00:26:39.800 But they're one of their lead news anchors has a case like this come against him and

00:26:44.700 bubkiss.

00:26:45.720 And it's not just CNN.

00:26:46.680 It's the people who write about CNN who would never mention this about Don Lemon.

00:26:50.480 He was accused of a couple summers ago being in a bar in the Hamptons and sticking his

00:26:55.040 hands down his own pants and underwear, fondling his own genitals, and then rubbing his fingers

00:27:01.120 around the face of a strange man, of another man who he, Don, thought wanted to sleep with

00:27:08.000 him.

00:27:08.560 And that man has sued him, claiming this was an assault.

00:27:11.720 And the man has an eyewitness who was a bartender in the bar who has independently said he saw the

00:27:16.900 whole thing.

00:27:17.920 He at first laughed.

00:27:19.500 He didn't realize that this man had been traumatized and then realized that actually,

00:27:24.920 no, this wasn't this wasn't a desired or funny situation at all.

00:27:28.920 And this isn't like a buddy of the accuser.

00:27:31.420 This is an independent third witness.

00:27:32.780 And no one writes about it.

00:27:35.460 Don Lemon doesn't get the C word in front of his name.

00:27:38.220 It's outrageous.

00:27:39.960 I don't even know what controversy I've been involved in.

00:27:42.880 I mean, you can dislike my opinions.

00:27:44.420 You can call me a liar and a grifter or whatever you want, but I'm basically just sitting in

00:27:48.820 my room talking about my feelings.

00:27:50.500 I'm not at a bar.

00:27:51.460 I'm not at political events.

00:27:52.340 I'm not running for office.

00:27:53.860 You know, Chris Cuomo pretended to be under quarantine.

00:27:57.160 That was a controversy.

00:27:58.300 He got called out for it.

00:27:59.380 Even the New York Times.

00:28:01.480 Ben Smith said that it was I don't know his exact quote, but it was strange to see CNN

00:28:07.400 elighting this controversy where Cuomo comes out of his basement acting as though he's

00:28:13.520 just finally been released from quarantine, even though there's a witness and according

00:28:18.540 to Cuomo's own statement, he had left his house like a week earlier to go to one of his

00:28:21.760 properties in the Hamptons and got into an argument with some guy on a bike.

00:28:25.440 He was certainly not under quarantine.

00:28:26.640 Now, that's a controversy.

00:28:27.680 That was huge news.

00:28:29.180 There's there's there's never anything about me.

00:28:30.860 I I'm just I'm often bewildered by many of these organizations attempts to smear and

00:28:37.660 defame me because I'm not even like Tucker issuing these very strong opinions about policy

00:28:43.700 or I know I people call me milquetoast and I'm like, why are you mad at me?

00:28:49.020 Like we didn't we didn't say the election was rigged.

00:28:50.960 YouTube's like the guy with the beanie.

00:28:51.840 He's the guy with the beanie.

00:28:53.240 Now, wait, can I tell you I'll give you another example.

00:28:55.140 So, you know, of course, I left NBC after I had the nerve to say on the air like back when

00:28:59.260 I was growing up, people like the blackface thing wasn't such a big deal if you were dressed

00:29:02.600 as a character.

00:29:03.340 Right.

00:29:03.760 Yeah.

00:29:04.020 So they, of course, made it into a huge deal and everybody knows what happened to this day.

00:29:07.940 When you get a publication like The Times or USA Today writing something about me, they

00:29:13.240 put this in there.

00:29:14.320 She it always ends.

00:29:15.320 It could be about like Megyn Kelly launched a podcast or Megyn Kelly made news with Tulsi

00:29:19.120 Gabbard, whoever it is.

00:29:20.320 And they'll they'll bring you my news.

00:29:21.760 And then they always feel the need to end the article with she left NBC under a cloud after she

00:29:26.280 said this controversial stuff.

00:29:27.320 Now, do I see them mentioning the fact that Jimmy Kimmel wore minstrel show blackface on

00:29:34.300 his show that Sarah Silverman, whenever they write about her, do they include her minstrel

00:29:37.700 show blackface and for which he barely apologized?

00:29:40.980 He begrudgingly not to mention Jimmy Fallon.

00:29:44.080 I mean, I could go down the list.

00:29:45.080 Ted Danza, everybody.

00:29:46.540 Are you mentioning that at the end of their articles when you write things about them?

00:29:50.740 Or is it just Megyn Kelly who never wore blackface, but just happened to say back in the 70s

00:29:54.880 and 80s, it was a different standard.

00:29:56.080 Or I get it.

00:29:57.180 So this is what they do.

00:29:58.280 It's subtle, but like controversial.

00:30:00.240 Tim pool bothers me because they're it's a it's a it's an attempt to besmirch you.

00:30:06.100 They think it's poisoning the well before they even get into what's going on.

00:30:10.100 They will controversial.

00:30:12.240 There you go.

00:30:12.960 It's the best they can do.

00:30:13.940 I love it when they try and call me right wing because like no right wing person thinks

00:30:17.600 I'm right wing.

00:30:18.200 And whatever, right wing people call me liberal.

00:30:21.940 But I think I'd be liberal based on like 2010 standards.

00:30:25.320 You know, I voted for Obama in 2008.

00:30:27.140 I don't know where I'm at now because I did vote for Trump because I think whatever's going

00:30:30.360 on politically, everything's kind of falling apart.

00:30:31.980 And I thought Trump had had more to offer.

00:30:34.540 But let's talk about that.

00:30:35.580 Let's talk about that.

00:30:36.360 Yeah.

00:30:36.500 I know you said that the Kyle Rittenhouse thing and it was after the Jacob Blake shooting,

00:30:42.860 which we now know was justified.

00:30:45.040 The police were dealing with a man who was armed with a knife and they shot him.

00:30:48.600 And it was it was a tragedy.

00:30:50.260 And he had assaulted that woman.

00:30:51.900 Yeah, he had assaulted a woman.

00:30:53.020 He had he had a committed a digital rape on his girlfriend with his children there.

00:30:58.360 His children were also in the car.

00:30:59.740 He was violating restraining order.

00:31:01.100 He resisted arrest.

00:31:02.080 He tried to get the police weapons.

00:31:04.600 And then he had a knife.

00:31:05.780 Then he pulled a knife, which will get you shot pretty much every time, no matter your

00:31:08.660 skin color with cops.

00:31:09.780 He even said later, I shouldn't have grabbed the knife.

00:31:12.920 Yeah.

00:31:13.440 And of course, the media refused to do a mea culpa on their reporting, which directly led

00:31:18.620 to the riots that night.

00:31:20.040 I mean, when it was going down, Tim, I tweeted out.

00:31:22.280 I'm like, hey, there's a report saying he was armed with a knife.

00:31:24.920 You know what I got?

00:31:25.680 You're a racist.

00:31:27.280 Well, fuck you.

00:31:28.140 I'm trying to report the news.

00:31:30.120 Maybe you should take a minute to go look at what I reported because it turned out to be 100%

00:31:33.320 true.

00:31:33.760 And you could have saved Kenosha and the residents, including many black residents and business

00:31:38.000 owners, a lot of heartache and harm if you had tried to find the damn facts.

00:31:42.820 OK, so yeah.

00:31:43.780 So Kenosha, Wisconsin happens, days of riots.

00:31:47.640 And Kyle Rittenhouse is this.

00:31:49.460 I mean, let's let's face it.

00:31:50.720 You know what?

00:31:51.380 I think well-meaning but misguided 17 year old who takes his gun and tries to go protect

00:31:56.000 businesses and winds up shooting three people who it does look like to me it was self-defense.

00:32:00.640 We'll see it play out in court.

00:32:02.160 But, you know, putting himself in the middle of it in the first place was not a good idea.

00:32:05.420 But what was it about that situation that made you say, I'm voting for Trump?

00:32:10.860 Well, I had this this thread that I wrote.

00:32:13.600 I just you know, I tweet things that I feel.

00:32:15.700 And then Donald Trump actually liked it and made it essentially pinned it to his profile.

00:32:20.840 So that generated a lot of press attention.

00:32:22.960 Yeah, I was there for a while.

00:32:23.800 And some journalists asked about it.

00:32:25.080 They never said my name, though.

00:32:26.320 It's almost like they want to avoid talking about me because, look, I'm somebody who I

00:32:30.000 supported Bernie in 2016.

00:32:31.500 And these a lot of progressives don't want to accept that I did.

00:32:34.260 But a lot of Bernie supporters switched for Trump.

00:32:36.460 I didn't vote for Trump in 2016.

00:32:38.060 So I don't I don't remember exactly what I wrote in my Twitter thread, but I'll tell

00:32:41.280 you my feelings on it now.

00:32:43.300 And I've actually interviewed several of the people who are witnesses to what happened,

00:32:46.960 as well as Richie McGinnis, who tend who rendered aid to the guy who got shot, the first

00:32:51.860 guy.

00:32:52.060 Yeah, that's right.

00:32:53.080 Let me just tell our tell our audience.

00:32:55.140 Richie McGinnis is the the journalist.

00:32:57.580 He's the he's a photojournalist with The Daily Caller who works with Shelby Talcott, who we

00:33:01.580 just had on the show talking about her experience covering the same event.

00:33:04.960 And so our audience should that name, Richie McGinnis, should be familiar to them.

00:33:07.680 But go ahead.

00:33:09.040 So Kyle Rittenhouse worked in Kenosha.

00:33:12.060 I see the media saying he crossed state lines with a gun.

00:33:15.880 Well, I'm from Chicago.

00:33:17.560 OK, where Kyle Rittenhouse, I believe, lived in Antioch.

00:33:19.860 It's like a 20 minute car ride to Kenosha.

00:33:22.440 It's like it's a suburb.

00:33:24.820 And he worked in Kenosha.

00:33:26.420 So my understanding is that he was there.

00:33:28.520 Someone else lent him a rifle that I don't think it wasn't AR-15 specifically, AR-15

00:33:35.080 style, whatever they want to call it.

00:33:36.740 And there's interesting questions about whether he was misguided or not.

00:33:39.620 I initially said I thought he shouldn't have been there until I heard from Richie McGinnis.

00:33:43.420 And that kind of changed my opinion.

00:33:45.040 But that was well after the fact.

00:33:47.020 I looked at these riots happening across the country.

00:33:49.680 And I remember earlier this year, I'm sorry, earlier last year, I said, no guns.

00:33:53.780 I don't want any guns.

00:33:54.520 No guns in my house.

00:33:55.620 Not going to do it.

00:33:56.720 You know, I'm a liberal, all that stuff, whatever.

00:33:58.980 And then when COVID happened, I was like, maybe I should look into some kind of self-defense.

00:34:04.080 When the riots happened, I absolutely started going through the motions.

00:34:08.080 I lived in New Jersey at the time, so it was rather difficult.

00:34:10.240 And I was like, I'm getting a gun.

00:34:11.880 I can't, I can't, you know, I heard, I'm sitting in, I'm in the suburbs of Philadelphia.

00:34:16.320 I'm across the river.

00:34:17.300 I'm thinking to myself, there's no way the riots will affect me.

00:34:20.500 Maybe it'll, it'll, you know, jam up some stores and cause some economic damage to the

00:34:25.140 area, but they're not going to cross over to New Jersey.

00:34:27.640 And then I remember one day I heard the helicopters and the sirens.

00:34:30.340 And here I am in the suburbs on the other side of the river.

00:34:33.060 They actually, the rioters marched across the, across the bridge.

00:34:37.080 And that's when I started getting worried.

00:34:38.500 And I remember getting a phone call from some family members talking about how they're 60

00:34:43.160 miles outside of Chicago.

00:34:44.080 And for some reason, rioters showed up in their town and caused property damage.

00:34:48.880 And I'm thinking to myself, this is crazy.

00:34:50.720 So now here I am this, you know, in January, I'm not going to buy any guns.

00:34:54.180 Now I'm like, I got to go buy guns.

00:34:55.400 And I started looking at everything because there was, there's nothing that can be done

00:34:59.160 if these rioters show up.

00:35:00.480 But what the Kyle Rittenhouse thing was really shocking because here's a guy who lives in an area

00:35:04.680 I'm familiar with, I'm from Chicago, they, these rioters were burning down buildings and,

00:35:10.080 and, and, uh, you know, potentially going to kill people.

00:35:13.900 And so here's this young guy who you can clearly see on camera running away, being attacked and

00:35:20.320 then defending himself.

00:35:21.980 And they, the media lies and they demonize them.

00:35:24.460 And I thought to myself, what we're seeing from the media, the manipulation, the disinformation,

00:35:29.760 it's causing all this chaos.

00:35:31.740 And I'm like, at this point, it's well beyond just owning a gun.

00:35:34.700 Joe Biden is not strong enough.

00:35:36.420 He will not deal with this.

00:35:37.600 He is hiding in his basement while people are burning this country to the ground.

00:35:40.640 And Donald Trump was pounding on the table saying, we need to stop this.

00:35:44.160 And I thought to myself, it's very simple.

00:35:46.000 Who do I, who am I going to vote for?

00:35:47.220 The coward or the guy who's demanding law enforcement shut down this violence.

00:35:52.280 And, and, and look, whether you like Kyle Rittenhouse or not, three, two, three people got

00:35:56.320 shot, two people died.

00:35:57.160 If we had listened to Donald Trump and sent in the national guard before that happened,

00:36:01.460 those people would never have died.

00:36:03.220 So it's not about whether, you know, in, in, in the long story, you can hate Kyle Rittenhouse,

00:36:07.800 you can defend those, those rioters.

00:36:09.900 But if we took, if we listened to the president, they would not have lost their lives.

00:36:14.280 And I said, that just, that's it for me.

00:36:15.740 Now, going back to, uh, you know, later on, I ended up interviewing Richie McGinnis and he

00:36:21.340 was like, they were trying to push a flaming dumpster into a gas station and Kyle Rittenhouse

00:36:26.780 or one of his friends took a fire extinguisher and put the fire out.

00:36:30.400 That's what caused these people to attack Kyle.

00:36:33.260 When they first attacked him, Rittenhouse ran away.

00:36:36.640 And the New York times confirms this.

00:36:38.740 The first guy who got shot Rosenbaum was chasing after him.

00:36:42.480 And that it was only after someone else fired a handgun, presumably into the air that Kyle

00:36:48.080 turned around and fired in absolute self-defense.

00:36:52.800 Then when Richie started tending to Rosenbaum, other people started gathering around and

00:36:57.460 threatening Rittenhouse who runs away and Rittenhouse is on camera saying, I'm going to

00:37:01.900 get help.

00:37:02.440 I'm going to get the police.

00:37:03.940 He did not go there trying to target anybody.

00:37:06.840 He was trying to stop people from destroying property and, and essentially, you know, maybe

00:37:11.480 even killing people.

00:37:12.320 So my view now, after talking to Richie, if he was not there, they, and they pushed that

00:37:17.700 flaming dumpster into a gas station, they could have blown that place up.

00:37:21.520 And how many people could have lost their lives?

00:37:23.200 I don't know.

00:37:24.060 I do know that Kyle put himself in a dangerous position.

00:37:27.140 Perhaps he should not have done that.

00:37:28.620 I'm worried though, based on the footage I've seen and the witness testimony I've heard

00:37:32.080 from not just Richie, but you mentioned Shelby, as well as, you know, Drew Hernandez and

00:37:35.760 several other people, I wonder what would have happened and how many people would have

00:37:40.700 lost their lives if they blew up a gas station.

00:37:43.260 Would those, would those people who are pushing the dumpster become victims of themselves?

00:37:47.020 Would it, would it have caused lingering damage to the, to the community and health effects?

00:37:51.700 I don't know.

00:37:52.840 I'm sad it happened.

00:37:53.680 I'm sad, you know, at any loss of life and it's, and it's horrifying, but it was scary

00:37:57.900 and, and, and, and shocking to me that you actually have people trying to frame Kyle

00:38:02.820 Rittenhouse as a white supremacist who took a gun from, from across state lines and was

00:38:07.540 hunting people down.

00:38:08.460 And that is just the most insane interpretation.

00:38:10.360 And it's an outright lie.

00:38:12.760 And to your point, they don't talk about the, you know, maybe he was, he wasn't even the

00:38:19.000 match that lit the fire, but you know, all the, all sort of the, the, the paper and that,

00:38:23.520 and the logs on the fire were there because they had been telling the police to stand down

00:38:29.360 these cops and the cops were reticent to do anything anyway, because they'd been getting

00:38:33.720 called white supremacist and racist and abusive in every paper in the country for, for weeks.

00:38:39.500 Um, and so no one was there to help a largely minority communities and not just in Kenosha,

00:38:45.960 but elsewhere.

00:38:46.720 And so there were citizens who felt like, well, it's up to me who else is going to protect

00:38:51.760 them.

00:38:52.820 And, and Donald Trump had been calling for the national guard and it was rejected

00:38:55.640 several times in many different areas.

00:38:57.940 So, you know, what we saw in Chaz in Seattle, the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, there was

00:39:04.040 a handful of guys who for 10 minutes were unloading rifles into a white SUV with two

00:39:09.160 teenagers inside, killing them.

00:39:11.340 And if these people just swallowed their pride and for once recognized Donald Trump, certainly

00:39:17.060 imperfect, but he wasn't wrong about needing national guard or DHS or somebody law enforcement

00:39:22.300 to come in and shut it down.

00:39:23.460 But they hated Trump so much that they were willing to watch all of this death and destruction.

00:39:27.360 And to me, I was like, I've had it.

00:39:29.000 We need somebody look, Trump is not the fascist.

00:39:31.700 They claim he is.

00:39:32.480 He did not invoke the insurrection act.

00:39:34.340 He did not send these, these, you know, national garden without the authorization.

00:39:37.860 He didn't do it.

00:39:38.740 And so I'm sitting here thinking, here's a guy who's constrained saying, let me help you.

00:39:42.800 Let me stop this.

00:39:43.600 And they said, no.

00:39:44.400 And he said, okay, it's your rights.

00:39:46.200 It's your jurisdiction.

00:39:47.140 I won't violate that.

00:39:48.040 I'm like, come on, you know?

00:39:50.240 Well, and, and it's also the fault of the media, you know, the same media that wouldn't

00:39:54.000 let Tom Cotton publish an op-ed or that they did.

00:39:56.220 And then some guy got fired, Jim Bennett, um, saying, send in the troops.

00:39:59.700 Like we need military out on the streets helping to restore order.

00:40:02.900 Right?

00:40:03.120 Like that was too offensive for the New York times.

00:40:05.160 Meanwhile, they let, they let a defense of looting happen.

00:40:07.780 They let a defense of the, of the arsons and the dangerous situation.

00:40:10.520 That was just fine.

00:40:11.260 But, but Cotton couldn't say it.

00:40:13.000 What did they do in DC?

00:40:14.480 What, what, what, what did they do in DC?

00:40:15.880 Once the, uh, the Trump supporters, you know, were riding 25,000 national guard metal barricades.

00:40:21.320 And according to Ken Cuccinelli, Nancy Pelosi was requesting what she says were crew manned

00:40:27.080 machine guns.

00:40:28.060 I, I, I, I'm told the correct term is crew serviced machine guns, but they denied her that.

00:40:33.340 So when it's, you know, look a couple thousand Trump supporters, and I think everybody agrees

00:40:37.960 it was horrible.

00:40:39.500 What happened on the six?

00:40:40.820 It was ridiculous.

00:40:41.720 It was dangerous.

00:40:42.260 It was stupid.

00:40:42.880 And people ended up dying.

00:40:44.520 But you look at the reactions, you know, the Democrats say immediately 25,000 national

00:40:48.960 guard.

00:40:49.500 Then they put these national guardsmen in a, in a parking garage to sleep there, which

00:40:52.580 my understanding is they still are.

00:40:54.000 They put up these barricades, but when over a year across the country, you know, over the

00:40:58.700 course of a year, we're seeing hundreds of riots and billions in damages.

00:41:03.640 In fact, Kamala Harris solicited donations to bail them out on Twitter.

00:41:07.640 I know.

00:41:07.900 So, I mean, look, to say double standard.

00:41:09.840 You know what, Tim?

00:41:11.220 And that's, so it's their asses on the line when they're in the Capitol, right?

00:41:14.100 The lawmakers are sitting there.

00:41:15.480 You know, whose asses are on the line and all these protests, it's black people.

00:41:19.500 Most of the time, these are black communities that are seeing their businesses get burned.

00:41:24.800 Yeah.

00:41:24.920 And somehow we're supposed to accept that this is empowerment for people of color to let

00:41:30.040 other people.

00:41:30.920 And it was, as we saw a lot of these riots, our white people burn the businesses down.

00:41:36.140 There was a guy, um, I can't remember which publication he worked for, but he was tweeting

00:41:39.940 in support of the riots saying, this is amazing.

00:41:42.140 Yay.

00:41:42.720 And then he has a tweet where he's like, oh no, they're coming to Beverly Hills where

00:41:45.580 I leave.

00:41:46.020 Don't come here or where I live.

00:41:47.760 Don't come here.

00:41:48.320 And I'm like, you know, it's really funny about that.

00:41:50.060 He said, go down, go to downtown LA.

00:41:52.160 Oh, that's right.

00:41:52.780 That's right.

00:41:53.060 That's where the, the, the, the Mexican population, Latinos live.

00:41:55.640 Yeah.

00:41:56.000 You don't want them to cover coming, coming to rich white Beverly Hills.

00:41:59.280 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's disgusting.

00:42:01.900 There was a, there were rappers and personalities in Atlanta who were saying, why are you burning

00:42:06.300 down the black community?

00:42:07.720 These are white, white anti-folk progressives burning down black businesses.

00:42:11.800 Mm-hmm.

00:42:12.720 Well, then you've got the media that, that rush out to report after the Capitol Hill

00:42:19.000 riot, that Brian Sicknick, the police officer was killed by these Trump supporters with a

00:42:25.060 fire extinguisher.

00:42:26.360 It was in the New York times.

00:42:28.380 I was like, okay, you know, I, I, I realized the New York times is biased, but they reported

00:42:32.760 that like it was a fact, like it was a confirmed fact.

00:42:35.800 And now we know that wasn't true.

00:42:38.840 He wasn't.

00:42:39.940 I fell for it.

00:42:41.100 Me too.

00:42:41.800 I believe the New York times.

00:42:43.920 Yep.

00:42:44.920 And now we learn from his mother.

00:42:46.640 It's not true that he, he appears to have died from a stroke later that night back at

00:42:52.280 home.

00:42:53.800 Yeah.

00:42:54.240 They're trying to now use some kind of, uh, reductive reasoning that, well, certainly

00:42:58.540 whatever led to the stroke was a contributing, was contributed to by the conflict he was in.

00:43:03.720 And it's like, you don't know that you, they said he got, he died of blunt force trauma

00:43:07.860 to the head.

00:43:08.440 He got hit and it didn't happen.

00:43:10.000 And I was, I was really, I was really angry.

00:43:12.360 I remember recording when I heard the news and I was like, you know, to these Trump supporters

00:43:16.740 who did this, what is wrong with this is sickening.

00:43:19.220 You know, this is, this is absolutely sickening.

00:43:21.320 And now I'm learning, look, clashing with the cops and trying to storm the building was

00:43:25.420 one of the dumbest things they could have done.

00:43:27.300 And, you know, it is a relief to hear that, uh, uh, you know, uh, this wasn't the result

00:43:33.360 of a blunt force trauma, but it is still said, you know, this, this man lost his life.

00:43:36.800 I can respect that.

00:43:37.860 It was, it was dumb to storm the Capitol, but we can certainly see the media and many democratic

00:43:42.960 politicians are trying to use the most extreme interpretations of what happened in order to

00:43:48.540 gain power.

00:43:50.760 Yeah.

00:43:51.580 I mean, I will say to be fair, it's also an issue with the Capitol police who apparently

00:43:56.240 gave this information and haven't given much since, but your job as the reporter is to make

00:44:01.880 sure you've got it, make sure you've got it.

00:44:03.880 And I mean, of all people, the daily mail apparently got it by calling the guy's mom

00:44:07.520 and saying, yeah, I think, I think a local outlet in Houston actually reported the correct

00:44:12.940 information like a few days later and everyone missed it because, well, people don't follow

00:44:17.380 local news outlets, which is unfortunate.

00:44:20.280 Right.

00:44:21.060 Well, and they're dying, right?

00:44:22.320 They're dying is, I mean, media in general is going so much more commercial.

00:44:25.920 It's not a, you know, I still think there are people who think it's a public service and

00:44:29.460 it's not, it's a commercial enterprise.

00:44:31.080 They're there to make money.

00:44:31.960 That was, believe me, very clear to me, um, by the time I left Fox that there was one goal

00:44:37.240 and that was to line the bottom line.

00:44:39.400 And that's true at CNN and it's true at MSNBC and people need to understand that when they're

00:44:43.680 consuming their programming.

00:44:44.680 Yeah, you know, I get accused of that a lot in the, in the work that I do, but I'm just

00:44:49.980 like, I, I will talk, I, I, I disparage Trump periodically.

00:44:55.500 Uh, I just give you my feelings.

00:44:57.080 I, I, I read the news and I give you my thoughts, my opinions and how I feel about things.

00:45:00.760 There's a difference between, uh, you know, the three, I suppose.

00:45:03.320 And, uh, that there's people who just will accuse you of being a grifter.

00:45:08.480 They'll accuse you of just trying to make money.

00:45:10.620 And I'm like, guys, I worked for Disney.

00:45:14.440 I worked for the ABC news, Univision joint venture.

00:45:17.500 If I wanted money, I would have just said, tell me how high to jump and cut the paychecks.

00:45:21.940 But I didn't want to do that.

00:45:23.520 I didn't want to work for a company that was telling me to lie.

00:45:26.500 And so I had a contract.

00:45:28.480 I tried breaking the contract.

00:45:30.040 When the contract ended, I said, have a nice day and good luck to you.

00:45:32.860 I don't want to work.

00:45:34.200 ABC Disney.

00:45:34.560 So, yeah, I worked for, um, it was called fusion, which was the ABC news, Univision joint

00:45:40.560 venture.

00:45:40.920 I actually worked out of the, I worked for about, uh, I think maybe a year in New York

00:45:45.400 out of the ABC news building.

00:45:46.740 And then I went to Miami and worked out of the Univision building.

00:45:50.040 And they told me to quote side with the audience.

00:45:54.620 And I, I said, what does that mean?

00:45:56.820 You know what it means.

00:45:58.120 Yeah.

00:45:58.800 Uh, so when we were covering the conventions, they said, yeah, just side with the audience.

00:46:02.820 And I said, okay, who's the audience young progressives.

00:46:05.460 And I was like, uh-huh, listen, I'm going to tell people the truth.

00:46:08.520 I'm not going to tell them, you know, whisper sweet nothings into their ears.

00:46:12.240 And I actually was told, I asked this question of one of the, um, you know, higher ranking

00:46:17.800 individuals at the company, like some of the highest ranking individuals don't want

00:46:20.780 to avoid, I want to avoid maybe saying too specific, being too specific.

00:46:24.600 But I said, if there is a factual news story that would be offensive to our audience, are

00:46:28.520 you saying that we will not cover it?

00:46:30.280 And they said to me, yeah, I think that's fair.

00:46:33.180 And I was like, okay, I should not be here.

00:46:36.200 Yeah.

00:46:36.720 Yeah.

00:46:37.080 Yeah.

00:46:37.360 That's, and I told the story over and over again, you know, so the information about who

00:46:41.560 these people are and what they said, it's all out there.

00:46:43.600 We were in a big meeting with about, I think maybe like 30 or 40 people on our plans of

00:46:47.880 how we cover the, uh, the DNC and the RNC.

00:46:50.400 So this is actually the second time it happened where this executive was like, just side with

00:46:54.900 the audience, you know, young, progressive, liberal.

00:46:57.760 And I'm like, okay, well, it's like, well, why don't we try to broaden our audience?

00:47:02.320 You know, I used to have these debates with Roger Ailes when I was a young anchor and, you

00:47:06.380 know, sometimes I do a segment he didn't like, or be, you know, something I editorially, he

00:47:10.140 wasn't in love with.

00:47:10.840 He never tried to stop it, but we talk about it.

00:47:13.000 And I'd say, I want to, I want to broaden our audience.

00:47:15.640 You know, like he was like, why'd you go on Howard Stern?

00:47:17.680 Right.

00:47:17.880 Cause I went in Stern show.

00:47:18.960 I'm like, I want to broaden my audience.

00:47:20.540 I, he's got a lot of young men who may or may not watch Fox news.

00:47:23.740 Why wouldn't I put myself in front of them and say, Hey, give me, give me a chance.

00:47:26.780 Maybe what you've heard about me in the media isn't true.

00:47:28.900 And I do believe that's how I built the largest independent audience in cable.

00:47:32.200 And, and so, yes, maybe when I started off, I was inheriting a, an all Republican audience.

00:47:36.640 But by the time I left Fox, my audience was the most diverse one at Fox.

00:47:41.080 And it's because it's because I went after them and I told the truth, you know, it's

00:47:44.380 like, and then, and then for me, service of my audience was the truth, right?

00:47:48.260 In a perfect world, all the goals align, you service them and you service the truth.

00:47:52.900 And it's one of the same.

00:47:54.040 And, and I hear that all the time, even on this podcast, people write in the reviews.

00:47:57.960 I may not always agree with you, but I trust you.

00:48:00.760 I trust you.

00:48:01.480 That's the highest compliment you can pay.

00:48:03.500 I know.

00:48:04.000 It's amazing.

00:48:04.420 I hear similarly to, to fusion's credit.

00:48:07.060 Well, I mean, not to their credit, but I was at a rally in San Jose.

00:48:10.840 It was a Trump rally.

00:48:12.080 I was outside and I watched, I filmed as a mob of Bernie Sanders, many Bernie Sanders

00:48:18.260 supporters.

00:48:18.540 I don't want to say the entire group was, but I'm mostly they were.

00:48:21.500 And they smacked a guy in the back of the head with some kind of bag and it left him

00:48:24.720 bleeding.

00:48:25.160 I filmed that.

00:48:26.620 And I had, I think it was Cavuto's show reached out to me saying they wanted to have

00:48:30.500 me on a talk about it.

00:48:32.100 Surprisingly, fusion said, yeah, definitely do it.

00:48:34.240 And I was like, you want me to go on Fox news?

00:48:36.060 And they're like, yeah, absolutely.

00:48:37.120 Like it's, it's, you know, promo.

00:48:38.540 And I'm like, isn't the progressive employee base of this company.

00:48:43.340 And, and so my understanding is early on when I first joined fusion, they did not intend

00:48:49.240 to be a progressive ultra woke, you know, activist blog.

00:48:54.140 And I guess for some reason they went that route.

00:48:56.600 And I think that's what ultimately led to their destruction because they, they've ceased

00:49:00.360 functions a while, a while back at the time.

00:49:03.120 And I was like, yeah, I'll definitely go on Fox news.

00:49:04.880 I'll talk to anybody, you know?

00:49:05.920 And so I went on, uh, I can't remember who the host was.

00:49:07.920 I don't think it was, uh, Cavuto, someone sent a filling in for him, but certainly many

00:49:12.320 of the employees at the company were angry with me for doing it and started to say disparaging

00:49:16.400 things about me behind my back.

00:49:17.960 And I just didn't care.

00:49:19.280 I, I, I've never cared for like, look, you can believe what you want.

00:49:22.400 I'm going to do my thing.

00:49:23.440 And ultimately that's just what I've been.

00:49:25.920 So I left the company, started doing my own thing.

00:49:28.280 I'm going to do my own thing.

00:49:29.640 I'm not going to be pressured or shamed into changing my opinions.

00:49:33.660 Back to Tim in one second, but first we're going to bring you a feature we call asked

00:49:37.300 and answered here at the Megan Kelly show, where Steve Krakauer, our EP comes in with

00:49:41.760 the question and I will hopefully have the answer.

00:49:44.260 What's happening, Steve?

00:49:45.540 Hey Megan.

00:49:46.140 Uh, we're bringing a question today from one of our social accounts.

00:49:48.600 This one came to us from Twitter, uh, and peach, someone named peach has a question for

00:49:53.520 you.

00:49:53.680 She wants to know one of our favorite things about your new show is the way you're highlighting

00:49:57.840 real women's issues.

00:49:58.680 What advice would you give to a woman in their twenties in this current social climate?

00:50:03.380 And what advice would you have given yourself if you could go back?

00:50:07.020 Well, I talk about a lot of it sometimes on this show, you know, it's sort of most of

00:50:11.180 it is the same advice I'd have for anybody.

00:50:13.900 Uh, but especially for young women.

00:50:15.720 Number one right now, given the climate, do not lean into victimhood.

00:50:19.360 Don't be an AOC.

00:50:20.900 Do not lean into victimhood.

00:50:22.940 Okay.

00:50:23.180 As I, as I've said that I tell my own daughter, life will deal enough actual victim moments

00:50:27.440 to you.

00:50:27.820 You don't have to make them up when they're not actually there.

00:50:29.860 Don't borrow somebody else's worry or somebody else's victimhood, right?

00:50:33.500 Like be strong.

00:50:34.640 In fact, you should be trying to shake off the aura of victimhood whenever it does actually

00:50:38.840 happen to you.

00:50:39.940 Work hard.

00:50:40.520 Don't feel sorry for yourself.

00:50:41.680 Get to work.

00:50:42.480 You want to be successful?

00:50:43.320 Work hard.

00:50:43.760 Every single successful person I know works their tail off and they don't complain about it.

00:50:47.740 You got to find something you love so that it's not too painful to do.

00:50:50.920 But even if you don't love it, if you want to succeed, work your ass off and don't complain.

00:50:56.000 Your boss doesn't want to hear your complaints about how hard you're working.

00:50:58.840 And one other thing, if you have a problem at your office place, you can bring it to your

00:51:03.320 boss, but bring solutions to say, all right, this is my problem.

00:51:06.960 Here are two proposed solutions.

00:51:08.320 Okay.

00:51:09.500 And that's how you get ahead.

00:51:11.300 I think also remembering that no one's coming to save you is very helpful.

00:51:15.440 You have to do it.

00:51:16.560 You want to change your life?

00:51:17.360 Do it.

00:51:17.680 Start now, today, tomorrow, no later.

00:51:21.600 No one's coming to save you.

00:51:22.840 Not a husband, not a friend, not a parent, not a colleague.

00:51:26.300 No one.

00:51:27.060 Your boss, if they haven't rewarded you with a big raise, they may not know you exist.

00:51:31.380 They may have totally forgotten about you.

00:51:32.680 It's not up to you to go in there and beg.

00:51:34.540 Work harder.

00:51:35.780 Get on the radar by being excellent.

00:51:38.220 Right?

00:51:38.820 No one's going to come change your life.

00:51:40.120 You're in a happy relationship.

00:51:41.400 Get out of it.

00:51:42.500 Go.

00:51:42.820 Go see a therapist.

00:51:44.000 Go improve your life.

00:51:44.740 Make yourself happier.

00:51:45.480 Take a clarinet lesson.

00:51:47.140 Do something crazy.

00:51:48.540 My friend, Canadian Debbie, my producer and friend of the show, she's got three kids.

00:51:52.620 She's up there in Canada.

00:51:53.640 She's taking tap dance lessons.

00:51:56.000 There's no limit to what one can do.

00:51:59.880 Okay.

00:52:00.700 Just the thought of it makes me joyful.

00:52:03.740 But my point is, change your life for the better.

00:52:06.160 It's up to you.

00:52:07.220 You can do it today.

00:52:08.420 You think you're heavy?

00:52:09.620 You got to lose weight?

00:52:10.220 Stop eating so much.

00:52:11.120 Start today.

00:52:12.160 Cut out your afternoon snack.

00:52:13.180 Look, just try to do better, for God's sake.

00:52:15.340 And by the way, for the young girls, if we're talking about young girls in particular, don't

00:52:18.460 be a slut.

00:52:19.600 Just don't.

00:52:20.220 I'm sorry.

00:52:20.720 Don't do it.

00:52:21.760 It's not a slut-shaming thing.

00:52:23.080 It's just a better choice not to.

00:52:24.580 All right?

00:52:24.880 I'm telling you, your life will be happier if you don't make those choices.

00:52:27.420 And when you do get into the sack with somebody, enjoy it to the fullest extent.

00:52:31.300 Don't feel guilty when you're in there.

00:52:32.560 It's an awesome thing to do and with the right person.

00:52:35.280 And if you followed my last rule, see, don't be a slut.

00:52:38.540 Even more reason to enjoy it.

00:52:40.140 So those are my thoughts.

00:52:42.280 And as for the advice I give to myself, if I could go back, girl, you do not need to

00:52:49.220 dye your own hair.

00:52:51.060 As dire as your financial situation may be, find a way to get to a real colorist.

00:52:57.740 You should not let your boyfriend apply the Clairol to those roots.

00:53:02.320 And they will not match up to your eyebrows.

00:53:05.060 It will be very obvious.

00:53:06.140 And when you look back years from now, there's no getting those moments back.

00:53:09.580 You know, the good people at Legacy Box, there are certain things they can't fix.

00:53:14.180 So those are my thoughts off the top of my head.

00:53:17.300 Thank you, Peach.

00:53:18.580 Appreciate you writing in.

00:53:20.200 And anybody else who's got some questions, can send them to questions at devilmaycaremedia.com.

00:53:28.100 More with Tim Poole next.

00:53:29.900 As you know, I mean, everyone's so partisan now.

00:53:36.860 And what happened just recently was as the Democrats are writing letters to the cable

00:53:44.920 providers, to like Dish Network and Comcast saying, how do you see your ethical and moral

00:53:51.960 duty when it comes to the product being put out by Fox News and Newsmax and OAN, right?

00:53:56.920 It's basically like, you know, nice distribution network you have there.

00:54:01.120 It would be a shame if anything happened to it.

00:54:02.960 Right, right.

00:54:03.720 Like, what are you going to do about Fox News?

00:54:06.240 Get rid of them.

00:54:07.200 As they're doing that, you've got CNN actually basically removing its fact checker.

00:54:14.460 There was this guy who was on the air.

00:54:16.340 Apparently, somebody looked at it.

00:54:17.380 It was literally every other day during the Trump administration.

00:54:19.540 Their fact checker.

00:54:20.200 Oh, that's right.

00:54:20.940 Of Donald Trump.

00:54:21.900 He's gone.

00:54:22.520 I remember that.

00:54:23.140 Guess how many times his name is Daniel Dale.

00:54:25.140 I never saw Daniel Dale, my my crack EP is letting me know.

00:54:29.780 Guess how many times he's been on since since Biden took office once.

00:54:33.300 And it was it was to talk about Trump.

00:54:35.660 It was to talk about Trump.

00:54:36.820 Wow.

00:54:37.260 And fact checking him again.

00:54:39.880 You want to talk about disinformation, then let's talk about it.

00:54:43.740 I'm shocked by the fact that there are people who believe this stuff, that they still watch

00:54:47.200 CNN.

00:54:48.380 You know, at a certain point, you have to be like, hey, maybe that's not correct because

00:54:51.600 they keep changing what they're doing.

00:54:53.300 The double standards are obvious that people eat it up.

00:54:56.840 Do you think the young people are switching?

00:54:58.560 Because I think, you know, cable has always been an older person's game.

00:55:01.420 You know, Ben Shapiro always used to tell me if somebody under 40 stops me on the street,

00:55:05.160 I know they know me from my podcast.

00:55:06.520 If somebody over 60 stops me on the street, I know they know me from Fox News.

00:55:09.520 Right.

00:55:10.020 So cable is an older audience's game.

00:55:13.080 And I I just do you have any data on who is watching you on YouTube?

00:55:17.000 Because I just I feel like that's probably a younger demo.

00:55:19.280 Well, I'm I'm pretty sure I am crushing primetime cable in the key demo.

00:55:24.540 So I look at the ad, the the ad week.

00:55:29.100 I think it's ad week.

00:55:29.740 They do the TV ratings for Fox, CNN.

00:55:32.420 And I get in, you know, viewership across my my podcast.

00:55:37.460 So I have two different podcasts, but it's similar.

00:55:40.140 I do about three hours a day, I think.

00:55:42.520 And I'm getting maybe what's what's the numbers?

00:55:45.520 One point five million per day.

00:55:47.900 And it's and one point three million are in the key demo.

00:55:51.260 So that's between your podcast and your YouTube channel, your two podcasts and your YouTube channel.

00:55:56.060 Yeah.

00:55:56.200 So so basically I have three different YouTube channels.

00:55:58.640 Two of them are similar, where it's just me kind of talking for, you know, 20 minutes.

00:56:03.380 And then we have the two hour long conversational podcast.

00:56:07.420 Yeah, that's what I listen to.

00:56:08.620 The Timcast, right?

00:56:09.380 Is that the Timcast?

00:56:10.100 That's when I download it.

00:56:11.260 The the one where we have a bunch of people talking is Timcast IRL.

00:56:15.140 And then I have that's not the one.

00:56:16.300 The one where it's just me talking.

00:56:18.560 Tim Pool daily show is what I subscribe to.

00:56:21.340 Yes.

00:56:21.740 So that's just like my well, that's actually yeah, that's two different YouTube channels

00:56:25.300 compressed into one.

00:56:26.120 So it's like an hour and 20 minutes used to be a lot longer.

00:56:28.460 I listen to it on podcast.

00:56:29.480 So I get confused.

00:56:31.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:31.520 I used to do like four hours or five hours a day of content.

00:56:34.560 And then like, you know, I decided I got to I have to expand the business.

00:56:37.480 I can't necessarily do that.

00:56:39.100 But yeah, I'm getting.

00:56:40.900 Yeah, well, no, I mean, I want to expand.

00:56:43.200 I got to hire people.

00:56:43.860 I want to do more shows.

00:56:44.720 I want to create my own network.

00:56:45.580 So I'll need more time to focus on business stuff.

00:56:48.840 I couldn't do.

00:56:49.820 But my my my my viewership in the key demo, I think, is like double what a lot of these

00:56:56.120 cable channels are getting.

00:56:57.380 I don't I don't I don't think I'm beating.

00:56:58.640 I don't know.

00:56:59.380 I'd have to check on Tucker's numbers because he's he he's killing it, you know.

00:57:03.460 But I think I look at like CNN and they get like half of what I get in mind you, it's

00:57:08.960 it's per show.

00:57:10.260 So like Anderson Cooper's total unique viewership for the day might be comparable to mine.

00:57:14.960 CNN as a whole is definitely getting way more, you know, key demo viewership than I am just

00:57:19.740 comparing, like the amount of content I do to what they do is it's it's probably comparable,

00:57:23.640 to be honest.

00:57:24.960 Mm hmm.

00:57:25.660 No, I agree with that.

00:57:27.300 Well, I don't have I don't I don't have very many older people, to be honest.

00:57:30.560 So I'll tell you something else.

00:57:31.360 The cable news boon that was Trump is over and those numbers are only going to go down.

00:57:38.200 I mean, that's just he was such a gift to all of cable, including Fox.

00:57:41.480 And I laugh because when I left, it was right at the beginning.

00:57:44.240 It was before he was sworn in and people were like, oh, the numbers went up after she

00:57:47.660 left.

00:57:47.920 I'm like, OK, with all due respect, I had the number one show in all of cable news when

00:57:51.660 there was no news.

00:57:52.440 So fuck off.

00:57:53.320 Right.

00:57:53.480 And secondly, everybody's numbers went up once Trump took office.

00:57:58.380 So talk to me when you got a program during Barack Obama, the lean years.

00:58:02.000 OK, yeah, he Trump saved not only these cable companies, but digital news outlets and social

00:58:07.420 media.

00:58:08.320 Twitter was burning users.

00:58:09.940 Cable TV was declining in ratings.

00:58:12.280 And then Trump comes in and then just the Trump bump lit everything up.

00:58:16.660 So what so what do you do, Tim?

00:58:18.420 Like when you.

00:58:20.740 Because I mean, you go on YouTube many times a day, like you'll pop up there and you do

00:58:24.500 it 10 minutes and you do 20 minutes, then you come back and then you come back.

00:58:27.140 Like, how how does your day work?

00:58:28.740 Are you just sitting there waiting for the latest news development?

00:58:31.100 Then you're like, I want to talk about that.

00:58:33.000 Yeah.

00:58:33.220 So I wake up every day around 7 a.m.

00:58:35.780 And the first thing I do right when I open my eyes is my you know, I pick up my phone and

00:58:39.560 I start scrolling through various news sources and news feeds.

00:58:42.880 I have like my Twitter list is like, you know, a bunch of different journalists and news

00:58:46.940 outlets.

00:58:47.500 But also also I will also check some forums and then I get up, you know, daily morning stuff,

00:58:52.280 shower and whatnot.

00:58:52.800 Then just about around eight, I now have a bunch of stories I've seen that I'm reading

00:58:58.440 into and then I'll just, you know, look at which one I think is the most relevant and

00:59:03.500 interesting to talk about.

00:59:04.540 Or, you know, usually it's really simple.

00:59:06.120 I mean, there's millions of stories all the time and a bunch of them I see and it kind

00:59:11.140 of like just, you know, lights a fire under me where I'm like, I start thinking a million

00:59:14.780 miles a minute about what this means and what it is.

00:59:16.740 And then I've got to express my thoughts on it.

00:59:18.900 So then around I record around 9 a.m.

00:59:22.300 And I do 20 minutes at 9 a.m.

00:59:25.280 Then I record again between 11 and noon, another 20 or so minutes, usually like 20, 24 minutes.

00:59:30.940 And then while throughout the day, I'm I'm covering, you know, I do a recording that gets published

00:59:36.000 at 10 a.m.

00:59:36.480 and gets published at 1 p.m.

00:59:38.020 I'm also pulling up what I think is the bigger news of the day, which I publish at

00:59:42.380 4 p.m.

00:59:43.500 Then I take all those segments.

00:59:45.520 I bundle it up as a single podcast for, you know, iTunes that goes live around 6.

00:59:50.680 And then at 7, I am upstairs in my secondary studio with our new with our guests that we've

00:59:56.160 flown in ready to talk about all of this with with a group of people and have a conversation

00:59:59.800 for another two hours.

01:00:01.820 So and then I go to bed around maybe midnight, wake up at 7, do it again.

01:00:06.960 There was a period where, you know, you mentioned YouTube was like, this guy does six per day.

01:00:11.340 Yeah, I was doing six segments.

01:00:13.860 So it was 10, 1 p.m., 4 p.m.

01:00:17.040 And then six o'clock, 615 and 630.

01:00:20.640 And then I was doing that.

01:00:22.180 I was doing two hours again at 8 p.m.

01:00:25.240 to 10 p.m.

01:00:26.660 And throughout the weekends as well.

01:00:28.500 So it was just like, you know, at a certain point I was like, you know, if I had a few more

01:00:34.940 hours per day, I could focus on actually expanding, hiring people, creating an actual network

01:00:40.380 instead of just talking a lot.

01:00:42.540 And so I decided, you know, I got rid of the six o'clock segments, which were each 10 minutes

01:00:46.200 long.

01:00:46.900 And that's opened up a couple hours per day.

01:00:48.960 And then I stopped doing weekends because I couldn't even go to the bank if, you know,

01:00:52.980 I'm working that much.

01:00:54.160 So well, that's my next question.

01:00:56.340 What do you have a social life?

01:00:58.060 Are you married?

01:00:58.960 Do you have a significant other?

01:01:00.220 Like what's happening in the social life?

01:01:02.740 Yes, I do have a significant other, not married, but I, you know, I normally I never bring this

01:01:08.460 up because one of the biggest fears is that people are going to try and figure out who

01:01:11.960 she is and what she does and cause problems.

01:01:13.960 And so I just I just don't say anything.

01:01:16.320 And I I kind of just let the left, you know, these people who really don't like that.

01:01:20.240 I don't like to say the left because, you know, a lot of a lot of liberals, moderates,

01:01:23.660 you know, are fans.

01:01:24.980 But these I know we don't want to sweep people like crystal ball into that, you know, like

01:01:28.240 they're wonderful.

01:01:29.680 Yes, exactly.

01:01:30.520 So it's like a short form of describing the unreasonable.

01:01:34.780 But they like to, you know, I don't take photos.

01:01:37.380 I don't post photos.

01:01:38.260 I don't you know, there's there's not Instagram photos of me and, you know, my girlfriend

01:01:41.620 or something like that because I don't want to cause harassment because they'll definitely

01:01:45.800 do it.

01:01:46.580 You know, they're just people who hate me, be it.

01:01:48.880 I don't know, the far right or far left, whichever they are, because there are certainly

01:01:52.100 a lot of, you know, far right individuals, whatever that necessarily means.

01:01:56.000 But they don't like me.

01:01:56.880 They're not, you know, far left.

01:01:58.240 And so I kind of avoid that.

01:02:00.040 And just it makes me laugh every time I see these people trying trying to attack me as

01:02:04.120 though I have no social life and no friends.

01:02:06.400 And I'm like, I just don't post that stuff because I don't share it.

01:02:09.680 I mean, I've I've got people harassing my former business associates.

01:02:15.160 They they seek out this information.

01:02:16.660 And it's just a it's a part of life when you have a large following in your public figure.

01:02:20.680 I'm sure you probably get similar stuff to a worse degree.

01:02:23.780 So I just try to keep that stuff as private as possible.

01:02:26.260 But long story short, that's smart.

01:02:28.240 Well, you know, we're planning on doing a vlog around the production studio.

01:02:32.620 I've I've built a skate park and a venue.

01:02:34.360 And, you know, once, you know, it gets warmer and things lighten up, we're going to be doing

01:02:38.240 shows and events to limited audiences.

01:02:41.020 And so I think people will start to see a lot more behind the curtain about, you know,

01:02:44.200 what's going on.

01:02:44.860 I think people just want me to post on Instagram so they can see the social life stuff.

01:02:48.940 I just don't really do it that much.

01:02:50.560 Where where are you based?

01:02:51.900 I know you're from Chicago.

01:02:54.140 Top secret.

01:02:54.960 I know it's it's basically just outside the D.C.

01:02:58.300 area.

01:02:59.440 OK.

01:03:00.140 All right.

01:03:00.380 So you guys are a little bit warmer climates and you're in the heart of government area,

01:03:04.980 at least now, which is like full of a bunch of stiffs, but some nice people and a lot

01:03:10.720 of news.

01:03:12.220 You're only what?

01:03:13.080 How old are you?

01:03:14.340 Thirty four.

01:03:15.040 I'm about to I'm about to turn thirty five in about a week or two, though.

01:03:18.380 Oh, my God.

01:03:18.960 So you're a babe in the woods.

01:03:20.500 You're just you're going to be dominating the media landscape for a long time.

01:03:24.180 You're so smart and you're driven and you're fiery and you're willing to work hard.

01:03:28.680 All those things are good.

01:03:29.820 What's your main source of enjoyment?

01:03:31.140 Is it is it skateboarding still?

01:03:32.760 I know I know you're big into that.

01:03:34.800 Yeah, I've been skateboarding for twenty two, twenty twenty one years or so.

01:03:39.560 And so I still skate every day.

01:03:41.320 So I've got the skate park, but I also play music.

01:03:43.120 I actually I love this.

01:03:45.460 I recorded a song and my friend Nishra Allman produced it.

01:03:50.840 It's called Will of the People and we put it up just before the election.

01:03:53.400 So I've also been playing music since I was probably six or seven years old.

01:03:56.100 But I was really humbled because a bunch of people who hate my guts were posting the link

01:04:01.720 to mock me.

01:04:02.460 And the responses from these people who hate me was, man, that's actually, you know, a

01:04:06.720 banging song, though.

01:04:07.580 Like, that's really good.

01:04:08.840 And, you know, I've been playing music.

01:04:11.300 I've been skateboarding longer than I've been doing any of this.

01:04:14.020 So, you know, I've got to be honest.

01:04:15.480 My main source of enjoyment is complaining about things on the Internet.

01:04:18.780 Aside from that, hanging out with my friends and skateboarding.

01:04:22.340 Sometimes you do get surprised.

01:04:23.640 I mean, I follow a lot of people on Twitter whose views I do not share, you know, like

01:04:27.820 there are some very woke activists, BLM, you know, sort of crazy far left positions on

01:04:35.520 certain things.

01:04:36.240 And I follow them because I like to get differing viewpoints.

01:04:39.120 And sometimes they'll tweet something about their personal lives.

01:04:42.100 And if I move by, I always like it.

01:04:43.740 And I'll notice they'll like stuff I post that's, you know, more personal.

01:04:46.260 And I love that it restores my faith in humanity.

01:04:49.120 They know I'm not with them on those woke issues.

01:04:51.540 And I know they're not with me where I stand.

01:04:54.020 But when I see a like from from one of these folks or I give them one, I just I feel like,

01:04:58.740 OK, there we are.

01:04:59.880 Like we still see each other.

01:05:02.460 We can fight a lot and fight for what we believe in, but we can still see each other and

01:05:07.120 each other's humanity.

01:05:09.320 There's a guy I've known for a long time on Facebook, and we used to argue all the time

01:05:14.040 because he's more progressive and I'm heterodox, whatever you want to describe it.

01:05:18.200 But we certainly got into arguments, but we agree on so much.

01:05:20.660 And that's the thing.

01:05:21.120 I was like, we spend too much time arguing on the things we disagree with.

01:05:24.320 So now I try to make it a habit of, you know, when I see socialist or far left or progressive,

01:05:30.460 you know, Twitter accounts, I'll just say something nice.

01:05:33.440 You know, I'll you know, I'll try to.

01:05:35.160 And I've been doing this thing on my podcast where it's almost partly in jest.

01:05:39.580 But I tell people, like, say one nice thing about Antifa.

01:05:41.980 And it's funny because everyone's like, don't make me do that.

01:05:47.320 And I'm like, well, here's the point, right?

01:05:49.200 She's a she's a she's a lovely wave to Uncle Tifa.

01:05:52.460 Yes.

01:05:53.140 Sorry.

01:05:54.360 But I think, you know, I think if we if we keep our our political rivals, I don't

01:06:01.160 want to say enemies, our political rivals in our minds as villains who are unredeemable.

01:06:05.340 That's just you're never going to solve your problems if if you approach things that way.

01:06:09.840 I know the other, you know, tribes or whatever, whoever in conflict won't necessarily agree

01:06:15.520 with me, but I thought to myself, look, well, I certainly think these people are misguided

01:06:19.680 and I think that many of them are violent.

01:06:22.300 I think we need to make sure we recognize them as people and we need to recognize that

01:06:26.520 they're being driven by some kind of idea that they've been given, whether it's right

01:06:29.580 or wrong.

01:06:30.140 And we need to figure out how we convince them to stop burning things down and breaking

01:06:33.260 things or to at least compromise and, you know, chill out on the violence and maybe

01:06:38.820 figure out how we move forward without hurting each other.

01:06:41.200 And that starts by just saying one nice thing.

01:06:43.060 You don't got to say they're the greatest in the world, but you can be like, well, they're

01:06:45.120 passionate.

01:06:45.900 You know, that's nice.

01:06:46.640 Right.

01:06:47.400 So I just try to I'm I'm I'm really hoping that we can simmer things down.

01:06:51.920 So, you know, I'll tweet at some of these Democratic Socialist types, some some like

01:06:56.260 like, you know, there's one progressive who announced that he was about to break half

01:07:00.960 a million YouTube subs.

01:07:01.880 And I said, wow, congrats, you know, congrats, bro.

01:07:04.360 And then everyone hates on me.

01:07:05.820 They treated me a few.

01:07:06.640 And I ignore the hate.

01:07:07.620 And they're like, screw you.

01:07:08.620 That's the wrong pronoun.

01:07:09.780 Tim Pool, you're banned.

01:07:11.920 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:12.560 Well, they immediately I got inundated and I told a friend of mine who is more center

01:07:17.340 right.

01:07:18.020 I said, I think the right needs a meme where you just say compliments to the left because

01:07:23.360 it does two things.

01:07:24.520 One, I think it really can help to kind of simmer things down.

01:07:26.920 And we don't want to perpetuate this.

01:07:29.060 You know, Twitter is a really awful place where everyone's mean to each other.

01:07:31.600 But I was like, think about the results.

01:07:33.360 If you decide that you're going to be polite and nice to people and, you know, if you don't

01:07:36.980 have anything nice to say, don't say it at all.

01:07:38.720 By all means, criticize.

01:07:39.860 By all means, you know, challenge their politics.

01:07:42.080 But do it a nice way.

01:07:43.540 Then let regular people assess when they see this Twitter thread.

01:07:46.660 And you're like, with the utmost respect, I appreciate your work.

01:07:49.780 I do disagree.

01:07:50.820 And then they respond with F you, you scumbag.

01:07:53.420 Well, then let regular people see what they have to offer and then let them decide which

01:07:56.700 they would, you know, which idea they would rather be by or which person they'd

01:07:59.400 rather be by.

01:07:59.860 I think being polite, being respectful, it's going to win way more friends and allies than

01:08:04.240 being a nasty person.

01:08:06.120 Yeah.

01:08:06.680 And on Twitter and IRL, as the kids say, you know, both areas.

01:08:13.620 Well, listen, I think it's wonderful what you're doing.

01:08:15.400 I admire you and your journalism.

01:08:17.440 And I'm learning a lot from you as somebody who's much more new to this independent media

01:08:21.860 digital world.

01:08:23.220 I'm I'm learning as I go.

01:08:24.820 So I'm just going to follow your example, though, not work quite as hard.

01:08:27.660 Like, I don't know, I, I, I can't, I don't understand why people aren't working so hard.

01:08:32.440 I'm just like, do more.

01:08:34.160 I don't get it.

01:08:34.880 I have a lot of years.

01:08:36.160 I have a lot of years and a lot of kids that make it kind of impossible.

01:08:39.920 But, you know, I here's the truth.

01:08:41.940 You're either hard worker.

01:08:42.800 You aren't.

01:08:43.360 You know, my problem is like, so this is a one to two hour, sometimes three hour show.

01:08:48.080 And I prepare for each one, like it's going to be eight hours.

01:08:52.120 You know what I mean?

01:08:52.540 I click on every link.

01:08:53.900 I watch every podcast.

01:08:54.900 I read as much as I possibly can.

01:08:56.220 I've got a great team that gets me prepared for these interviews.

01:08:58.440 And then I just let it marinate and sort of think, what do I want to ask?

01:09:01.100 What's interesting about this person?

01:09:02.680 So I overprepare, right?

01:09:04.320 Like, I'm sure there's some people get an outline in front of them.

01:09:07.320 They go out and they do it and it's over and they don't really think about it much.

01:09:10.300 And I did learn pretty quickly after I became both a mother of three kids and an employee

01:09:15.220 that something was going to have to give.

01:09:17.020 And that thing could not be my children.

01:09:19.620 You know, so you'll find out when you marry the girl and you have the kids many moons

01:09:23.900 from now, it's going to be just down to the Tim cast and one YouTube show.

01:09:28.520 And you're going to be rolling in big bucks.

01:09:30.280 So it won't be an issue.

01:09:31.960 Well, I'm thinking about that in regards to if I only make shows that are just me or

01:09:38.460 or here's an easy way to put it.

01:09:39.880 If I die tomorrow, my employees are in serious trouble.

01:09:43.160 So I need to figure out how to, you know, the ideas behind what I do and the work I do

01:09:47.420 needs to be able to be given to other people and to an entity beyond just me.

01:09:53.180 So I'm worried about the censorship.

01:09:54.740 I'm worried about the lies in media.

01:09:56.460 And I'm really kind of disappointed that, you know, we had this really funny story where

01:10:00.220 Elon Musk gave a comment to the Washington Post.

01:10:02.940 He said, give my regards to your puppet master.

01:10:06.480 And everyone laughs.

01:10:07.240 And I'm like, sure, but can't the second richest person in the world throw a couple million

01:10:11.120 dollars towards starting a news venture to give legitimate news?

01:10:15.320 And it's I wish I had the billions, but I certainly have a lot of, you know, audience

01:10:21.420 members who are helping support my work.

01:10:23.100 And I'm going to put that money into somehow creating something that's going to do that

01:10:28.080 hard work.

01:10:28.660 Don't have the same resources at Elon, but we're going to do it.

01:10:31.580 If there's one good thing about the insanity that has come over our country this past year,

01:10:37.220 you know, corporate America and sports and media and Hollywood and all of it and the

01:10:40.920 woke nonsense and the intolerance.

01:10:43.320 It's that I think it has motivated some deep pockets on the other side to start fighting.

01:10:48.180 Get off of your doughy butts and fight.

01:10:51.680 Right.

01:10:52.220 Like this is we're losing the country and it's the time to just be quiet and pretend you're

01:10:57.160 completely PC and in favor of all the right causes is over.

01:11:01.900 You know, they're indoctrinating children to become little woke warriors.

01:11:05.740 And the first person they learn to hate is you.

01:11:08.600 So there is a silver lining, I think, to the nonsense.

01:11:12.560 Yeah, I had an interesting family breakfast a year or so ago with my niece, and I was explaining

01:11:18.780 to my family critical race theory and the equity versus equality stuff and why it's insidious

01:11:24.760 and the problems that come along with it.

01:11:26.400 Certainly, I understand the good intentions behind wanting to end racism, of course.

01:11:30.520 And so I showed this image to my my sister, my mom, which is you may have seen it.

01:11:35.120 It's three people watching a baseball game behind a fence.

01:11:37.800 And it's like equality.

01:11:39.040 Everybody gets one crate to stand on, but then the small person can't see.

01:11:42.860 And so they say equity is giving two crates and taking from the tall person who doesn't

01:11:46.680 need it.

01:11:47.360 And my niece said she goes, oh, I've seen that.

01:11:49.820 They taught us that in school.

01:11:51.200 And she was like nine.

01:11:52.380 And I was like, they're teaching you this stuff in school.

01:11:54.360 She goes, yep.

01:11:55.300 And then I tried explaining to her the problem with it.

01:11:57.300 I said, when they talk to you about critical race theory, you can't actually quantify how

01:12:02.680 like mathematically race and access to resources.

01:12:06.940 We have a sort of general feeling based on history and, and, you know, I mean, civil rights

01:12:12.000 law and things like that.

01:12:12.960 But how do you look?

01:12:14.480 You can say, I will take one crate from a tall person and give it to a small person.

01:12:18.600 But when you have two poor people and one's black and one's white, how do you quantify

01:12:22.060 who deserves extra resources or access?

01:12:25.240 You can't do that.

01:12:26.380 So it really was scary to me that I, that I saw, you know, my, my niece was nine already

01:12:31.000 being indoctrinated into this.

01:12:33.100 Uh, I mean, I call it a cult.

01:12:34.460 I call it, I call it the, the cult or the woke cult or the, uh, dogmatic left.

01:12:39.220 And I think as we've seen from the mainstream media and their opinions, it's spreading, it's

01:12:44.660 getting stronger.

01:12:45.940 Joe Biden has announced he's going to be bringing it back because Trump, you know, had that executive

01:12:49.480 order doing away with it.

01:12:50.760 This is the kind of stuff that, that really freaks me out.

01:12:52.900 And, you know, I, I did get mocked quite a bit, uh, playfully by my audience for talking

01:12:58.560 about my, my family and, you know, being mixed race, being part, part Asian, because my family

01:13:03.640 actually experienced the, the hate and the discrimination.

01:13:06.460 My, um, you know, I don't want to get too personal, but you know, my mom grew up before

01:13:10.920 civil rights.

01:13:11.640 She was, she was a little girl.

01:13:12.640 And then it was only once she was, uh, uh, you know, I think 10 or 11, the laws actually,

01:13:16.760 uh, you know, the Supreme court actually had their ruling.

01:13:19.420 And so I thought, I find it fascinating that the things my mom described to me and the things

01:13:23.600 my, my, my, my grandfather described to me with these, these, you know, the way things

01:13:27.880 used to be is exactly the way the woke left is trying to make them again.

01:13:32.860 And so I had to question why it was, you know, we recently saw California

01:13:35.680 tried to, they tried to revoke their civil rights provision from their own constitution

01:13:42.260 that protected people based on rate, why they would do that.

01:13:46.280 It's, it's scary.

01:13:47.600 And so I see, I see this effort to make everything about race.

01:13:51.620 I think these people are just racist and they want to, they want to use their race to empower

01:13:56.380 themselves and they happen to be white.

01:13:57.680 So call that what you want.

01:13:58.740 But when a bunch of white progressives show up in Atlanta and burn down black businesses

01:14:02.840 and then claim they're the heroes of, uh, you know, uh, of, of fighting racism, but

01:14:07.780 want race-based laws while they're burning down black businesses.

01:14:10.500 I have to say that, that sounds like white supremacists to me.

01:14:13.340 That's right.

01:14:14.340 And people need to be aware it's a lie.

01:14:17.440 It's not true.

01:14:18.640 And it's, and it's forced on you to back, back to the theme of our discussion by a dishonest

01:14:23.300 media that's looking to line its own pocket and virtue signal so they can feel good about

01:14:28.160 themselves if million dollar anchors who don't have any of the same worries as most of America,

01:14:34.120 but they can go to bed at night thinking I'm a good person.

01:14:37.780 Meanwhile, Kenosha burns because of the, of the lies they've told.

01:14:42.260 And on that happy note, no, it's seriously though, Tim, it's been wonderful having you

01:14:48.020 and I hope you come back and I would love to join you from wherever you are, uh, at any

01:14:52.960 point on any one of your 40,000 newscasts.

01:14:55.540 You should come out here and come on the, come on the show and you get a chance.

01:14:58.780 I would love to do it, uh, anytime, but at that point you will have to tell me where

01:15:02.120 you are.

01:15:03.020 Definitely.

01:15:03.360 I'd love to have you.

01:15:03.940 It'd be great.

01:15:05.540 I would love to do it.

01:15:06.840 Thanks again.

01:15:08.080 Yeah, absolutely.

01:15:11.780 Don't forget to listen to the show on Wednesday because we have got Janice Dean coming back

01:15:17.240 on the program and man, other updates about Andrew Cuomo.

01:15:21.940 The guy's getting investigated by the FBI now.

01:15:23.680 Little Janice, the meteorologist who Soledad O'Brien was like, oh, the weather woman weighs

01:15:28.680 in.

01:15:29.340 Guess what, Soledad?

01:15:30.460 The weather woman is not exactly single-handedly, but pretty close responsible for the shit storm

01:15:36.780 that has rained down on this corrupt man in the past six months.

01:15:40.980 Nobody else is giving this the time of the day, including you, Soledad, and your, your

01:15:44.660 buddies, uh, over at the other networks.

01:15:46.760 And Janice Dean dragged people kicking and screaming to the story of his corruption, which

01:15:52.220 has now morphed into a serious sexual harassment allegation by a woman who's gone on the record

01:15:57.400 and detailed what he allegedly did to her in writing.

01:16:00.720 I'm sure he's denying it.

01:16:01.860 We'll get to it.

01:16:02.460 And we're going to talk to her about whether there's a real chance Andrew Cuomo could be

01:16:07.140 going, not just out of office, but to prison.

01:16:11.060 All right.

01:16:11.580 We'll get into all that on Wednesday.

01:16:13.000 Don't miss it.

01:16:13.840 JD, one of our top rated episodes from our, our fall launch.

01:16:17.720 And so she's back.

01:16:18.860 You're going to love it.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 01, 2021

Tim Pool on Big Tech Censorship, Establishment Media Bias, and What He's Building Next ｜ Ep. 70

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