The Megyn Kelly Show - Today Show Cattiness, ＂Love Story＂ Lies, and SCOTUS Strikes Down Trump's Tariffs, with Maureen Callahan and Will Chamberlain

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00:01:00.000 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.

00:01:14.020 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and happy Friday.

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00:02:18.980 MK Media's own Maureen Callahan will be with us for the full show to break down all the cattiness and more coming up.

00:02:26.400 But we have to start with a little bit of broccoli because there's been a major ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court this morning dealing a very serious blow to President Trump's sweeping tariffs, which have been integral to his entire presidency.

00:02:42.940 I mean, it's like the crux of his entire foreign policy, whether it comes to imposing them to raise more money and balance out trade imbalances or using them to threaten countries into becoming very quickly much more peaceful.

00:02:58.960 In a 6-3 decision, the high court saying he cannot use emergency law to impose global tariffs, ruling that that authority belongs to Congress, not to the president, and it has not clearly been delegated.

00:03:12.520 That's Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett siding with the libs.

00:03:17.580 Two of those justices were Trump appointees.

00:03:19.340 The ruling carrying major implications, as I say, for the entire Trump agenda.

00:03:24.400 Here to break it down with us, we're going to spend 10 minutes on this so that we can understand it clearly and what it means for our lives, is legal expert Will Chamberlain.

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00:04:46.140 Will, welcome back to the show.

00:04:47.780 So what exactly did the Supreme Court rule?

00:04:50.780 They ruled 6-3 that the president cannot use the International Economic Emergency Powers Act to impose tariffs.

00:04:59.100 That's the extent of the ruling.

00:05:00.760 And they didn't even agree on the reasoning, right?

00:05:02.780 You had three justices, Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett, using the major questions doctrine, which is basically saying that for a major delegation of congressional power, there needs to be a very explicit delegation of that power.

00:05:18.840 And they didn't find that in this case.

00:05:20.240 The three liberals just said the statute doesn't authorize the tariffs.

00:05:24.220 And then Alito, Kavanaugh, and Thomas disagree with all that, saying pretty straightforward that the statute actually does authorize these tariffs, but they were the losing side.

00:05:31.320 So all these tariffs issued under this – imposed under this particular statute are unlawful.

00:05:36.680 And it's some $200 billion worth of tariffs.

00:05:42.480 I mean, it's a big number that have been issued so far.

00:05:46.140 So what does this mean for all the tariffs that Trump has implemented in the first year of his presidency?

00:05:52.120 Well, it's about two-thirds of the tariffs were imposed under this specific statute.

00:05:56.460 I think the number I saw was something like $175 billion.

00:06:00.160 Everybody who paid a tariff is probably entitled to a refund.

00:06:03.020 And the Supreme Court didn't really lay out the process here other than to strongly suggest that all this would go to the United States Court of International Trade.

00:06:11.100 But all the refund litigation, everything that happens there, that's to be decided later.

00:06:16.680 All the Supreme Court decided was that these tariffs were unlawful in the first instance.

00:06:21.440 So are we going to get sued by other countries?

00:06:23.920 Is that who's going to sue us, saying, I want a refund of all the tariffs I paid to the United States?

00:06:27.920 No, it's going to be the actual people who paid the tariffs.

00:06:30.960 And remember, that's United States citizens and importers.

00:06:34.100 So when you import something from a foreign country, you, the importer, are responsible for paying the tariff.

00:06:39.280 The foreign country isn't.

00:06:40.220 The foreign manufacturer isn't.

00:06:42.060 So that's who ultimately will pay the tariff here.

00:06:46.160 I mean, I guess it's theoretically possible some foreign entity might make an argument that they were damaged by these tariffs because they sold fewer of the product than they would have otherwise.

00:06:54.600 And maybe they'll have some claim against the United States for that.

00:06:56.740 I doubt it.

00:06:57.740 I think that the people will the people who actually have a legitimate claim are the people who paid these tariffs and then are entitled to refunds.

00:07:04.640 To me, this seems like the biggest losers will be our poor lawyers at the Department of Justice who are already stretched too thin, who now are going to have to litigate all these claims on who deserves a tariff and who doesn't.

00:07:18.580 But Trump is going to try to argue that he has the ability still under different statutes to levy tariffs.

00:07:23.880 Will that help?

00:07:25.440 It might help him going forward.

00:07:27.000 Will it help him with any of these back tariffs that he's already issued under the statute they've said he can't use?

00:07:32.400 I don't think that'll help backfill anything here.

00:07:36.600 Right?

00:07:36.780 Those tariffs are unlawful.

00:07:38.240 They don't either.

00:07:38.700 And they weren't imposed under the other authorities.

00:07:40.760 And, I mean, there's a reason he used the emergency statute.

00:07:44.240 It provides – there are a lot fewer hoops in terms of imposing some sort of tariff or bar on imports using the IEPA.

00:07:53.620 But, you know, there are other authorities.

00:07:55.880 I mean, there are product-specific authorities that he has that allow him to, like, bar imports of specific – or tariff imports of steel, for instance, or cars.

00:08:05.240 And there are also nation-specific authorities that he has outside of the IEPA that he could do – that he already has used on China, for example.

00:08:12.340 So, you know, it's not the end of –

00:08:13.700 He's not powerless.

00:08:15.180 He's not now powerless to issue tariffs.

00:08:17.220 He just cannot do the sweeping scheme that he's been doing where he's been using them as a carrot and a stick to do a whole bunch of things, including stop fentanyl from crossing into our borders, just stop countries like India and Pakistan from having a war, and to write the trade imbalance that he walked into, that he inherited when he became president.

00:08:38.640 And now all of that is into question.

00:08:41.760 So, on a go-forward basis, he does have some possible tariff schemes he can impose.

00:08:48.440 Retroactively, maybe not so much.

00:08:51.420 So, what would you say is the net effect of this on the Trump agenda?

00:08:55.640 Well, it weakens it.

00:08:56.620 I mean, there's just no getting around that.

00:08:58.020 It's a bad ruling for the Trump administration.

00:08:59.940 It's really bad for the country because it – I mean, the tariffs are a key part of the president's arsenal in negotiating with foreign countries.

00:09:07.160 And if foreign countries know that Trump is a little more handcuffed in how he can impose tariffs, then there will be more reluctant to make concessions in trade negotiations.

00:09:16.080 It's as simple as that.

00:09:17.540 I think Justice Kavanaugh had the best of the argument here.

00:09:19.880 I thought Congress clearly delegated this authority to the president, and it makes sense that they would because tariffs are so interwoven with our economic negotiations with foreign countries that it's – you want the president to have the flexibility to be – and the credibility to be able to impose tariffs when he needs to.

00:09:36.820 So, yeah, I think this was a bad ruling from the Supreme Court, and it's going to hurt the president.

00:09:42.920 Is it devastating?

00:09:43.780 No, but it's going to hurt the president, and it's going to hurt the country.

00:09:47.040 Mm-hmm.

00:09:47.500 We had good old Alito and Thomas siding with the conservative POV, and Justice Kavanaugh, who's been more moderate, saying, yep, I'm with these guys.

00:09:58.820 And then you had Gorsuch, and you had Amy Coney Barrett going with John Roberts to side with the three libs on this.

00:10:06.780 I will say, what do you make of this Gorsuch quote?

00:10:09.140 Because I like this.

00:10:10.060 I don't love a huge, hugely powerful executive because I'm always thinking about who's coming next, right?

00:10:15.960 I certainly don't want to see a hugely powerful Gavin Newsom or AOC or Gretchen Whitmer.

00:10:20.620 And here's what Gorsuch wrote.

00:10:24.620 A ruling for him here, meaning the president, the president acknowledges, would afford future presidents the same latitude he asserts for himself.

00:10:33.300 So another president might impose tariffs on gas-powered automobiles to respond to climate change, or really on virtually any imports for any, quote, emergency any president might perceive.

00:10:46.580 And all of these emergency declarations would be unreviewable.

00:10:50.680 Just ask yourself, what president would willingly give up that kind of power?

00:10:55.620 This is what Gorsuch does.

00:10:57.440 He reels you in with comments like that that make you think about AOC and my gas-powered car.

00:11:03.300 Do you think that that's a real concern?

00:11:06.980 I mean, like, that if we allowed the president to have this kind of tariff power to himself, that it was basically a slippery slope where it was going to get expanded to micromanage our lives by a more aggressive Dem president next?

00:11:20.920 I mean, possibly, but the president's always checked by political accountability, right?

00:11:24.540 He's accountable to his voters.

00:11:25.700 He has to win half the country.

00:11:27.680 And if Congress doesn't like the extent to which the president is using the power granted to him, they can always change the statute.

00:11:34.000 I mean, the fact that Congress has basically exceeded – I'm not sure if they exceeded is the right word.

00:11:38.040 I know there's been some fighting over these tariffs.

00:11:40.000 But, you know, I mean, again, Congress has the ability to write this as own laws.

00:11:43.440 This is not a constitutional case.

00:11:44.820 This is a statutory interpretation case.

00:11:46.540 So I kind of find Gorsuch's sort of reassurance is, you know, unimpressive, I guess would be the right word.

00:11:56.460 It's a statutory interpretation case.

00:11:58.000 I thought Kavanaugh had the better interpretation of the statute.

00:12:00.500 All the dissenters had it right.

00:12:02.300 And so, you know, obviously, yes, the president should only be able to exercise the authority given to him by Congress.

00:12:08.200 The real question at dispute was how much authority did they give him?

00:12:11.040 Mm-hmm, right.

00:12:12.640 So if we don't like that amount of power, take it up with the U.S. Congress if you believe this statute did, in fact, delegate the power to issue these tariffs to the president.

00:12:21.960 It wasn't about how bad or good that might be.

00:12:24.520 It was about did they or didn't they.

00:12:27.060 Well, this court has found they didn't.

00:12:29.880 And that was predictable.

00:12:32.220 I mean, if you watch the oral argument – and I know the DOJ was expecting a loss here.

00:12:36.260 They've been trying to plan for it.

00:12:38.820 The president's unhappy, but I think he's got some other tricks up his sleeve, so we'll have to wait and see.

00:12:43.880 Will Chamberlain, thanks for coming on so quickly and giving us the quick 411.

00:12:47.920 Absolutely.

00:12:48.320 Thanks for having me.

00:12:49.880 Okay.

00:12:50.600 Up next, Maureen Callahan is here for the full show, and we have a lot to go over.

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00:16:02.460 Great to see you, my friend.

00:16:03.920 I'm so happy to see you.

00:16:04.860 And I just realized we're both all in black.

00:16:06.980 I know, right?

00:16:07.920 Well, I dressed up for you because I don't normally look nice.

00:16:11.860 Oh, you always look great.

00:16:13.020 But no, I love the whole thing.

00:16:14.640 I even have the nice boots on, Maureen.

00:16:16.560 I even have the nice shoes on, Maureen.

00:16:17.940 Look at us.

00:16:18.560 Look at us.

00:16:19.360 We're twinning.

00:16:19.920 Every once in a while, you have to dress up.

00:16:21.900 You know, you feel like a woman again.

00:16:23.700 I know.

00:16:23.860 Makes you feel good.

00:16:24.100 Right?

00:16:24.740 Can't feel like such a ragamuffin all the time, every day.

00:16:28.500 I mean, from the waist down, I always have my stretchy pants on.

00:16:30.820 Same.

00:16:31.340 Yeah.

00:16:31.620 Now, I love those aloe loose pants.

00:16:33.440 I'm all over those these days.

00:16:34.700 I love the, in this weather, the Uniqlo heat tech legging, which just wraps you up and keeps

00:16:41.960 you cozy.

00:16:43.120 And yeah.

00:16:43.520 Now, the good thing about the tighter legging is that I've noticed one drawback to the aloe

00:16:48.760 pants is you don't realize how, like if you've gained a few, it's imperceptible.

00:16:55.220 Megan, you never gain a few.

00:16:57.060 Oh, no, I do.

00:16:57.780 You're always like.

00:16:58.540 I do.

00:16:59.040 I do.

00:16:59.400 Do you?

00:16:59.680 Here's my downfall.

00:17:01.140 I didn't used to be a sucker for sweets, but Doug buys ice cream galore.

00:17:05.660 He, and he buys the most delicious flavors of Haagen-Dazs ice cream.

00:17:09.280 And if it's sitting there in the freezer after dinner, it's very hard to say no to it.

00:17:14.680 You can resist, you can eat ice cream in the winter?

00:17:17.280 Oh, and I can eat it every day of the year.

00:17:19.600 Wow.

00:17:20.140 Yeah.

00:17:20.480 The only ice thing I can do in the winter is iced coffee, which I do love.

00:17:23.580 What do you do for a treat in the winter?

00:17:25.740 I love popcorn, but I'm also like a salty person.

00:17:28.560 I'll have like a few cashews or, but I try to avoid the, you know, the sweets in the

00:17:33.560 winter.

00:17:34.040 I just, yeah.

00:17:35.060 Well, I just said for Lent, I'm going to give up added sugar.

00:17:38.080 My daughter said she wanted to do it too.

00:17:39.440 I'm like, okay, we're both going to give up added sugar.

00:17:41.320 And what did I do yesterday?

00:17:42.660 I had a brownie and ice cream.

00:17:47.800 So yeah, no, I do eat and I do sometimes get extra weight in the aloe pants.

00:17:51.880 Wow.

00:17:52.340 Yeah.

00:17:52.760 Well.

00:17:53.680 Tis the season.

00:17:54.440 It is the season.

00:17:55.300 And, um, I, my hat's off to you for Lent.

00:17:57.740 My sister-in-law has always given up like her favorite thing for Lent.

00:18:00.760 And yes, it's very hard.

00:18:02.380 It's, it's very hard.

00:18:03.740 And then, and the, but then the flip side of that is it's the same thing you just experienced.

00:18:07.840 Then when you're free of it, you binge it.

00:18:10.240 Yes.

00:18:10.720 You've been denying yourself.

00:18:11.460 Yes, I know.

00:18:12.360 You know, this, I was going to save this till later, but I might as well bring it up.

00:18:14.940 Now.

00:18:15.240 I wanted to talk to you about Kelly Ripa.

00:18:17.120 I saw an article in the Daily Mail this week about her and her amazing ripped body and

00:18:22.860 her incredibly toned physique.

00:18:25.220 And it went through, I actually just did a screen grab.

00:18:27.500 I didn't even tell you we're going to discuss this, but, uh, it, it, it talked about like

00:18:31.140 how she got it, how she got this amazing body.

00:18:33.760 Now I know how she got this amazing body.

00:18:35.680 She works one hour a day.

00:18:37.800 Now remember like seven years ago, six years ago, when she had that big blow up with ABC

00:18:44.360 about Michael Strahan and she was like playing hard ball and she was mad that like, I can't

00:18:50.340 remember what she was mad about, but she was mad about the switcheroo on the coat on the

00:18:53.220 co-hosts.

00:18:53.880 Well, he was getting a big promotion.

00:18:56.100 Yes.

00:18:56.880 And he didn't tell her because he couldn't tell her.

00:18:59.800 Yes.

00:19:00.400 And she felt disrespected.

00:19:02.720 Yes.

00:19:02.900 Well, in order to keep her there at that time, they raised her $25 million a year salary

00:19:09.780 to over $30 million a year.

00:19:13.560 This is like seven years ago.

00:19:15.080 It's only gone up since then.

00:19:16.860 That's insane.

00:19:17.720 They have this enormous townhouse in New York city.

00:19:20.620 It, it puts like Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse.

00:19:23.240 I've seen it in architectural digest.

00:19:24.560 To shame.

00:19:25.060 Exactly.

00:19:25.420 And that's just one of their many homes that these two are.

00:19:27.620 Then she gets her husband a job as her co-host and God only knows what he's making.

00:19:31.580 I'm sure he's making at least $5 million a year.

00:19:33.740 They have more money than God.

00:19:35.700 She gets into that show like an hour before she has to do it.

00:19:39.660 So she can sit and get hair and makeup and get a wardrobe thrown on her.

00:19:43.220 She does that show, which doesn't require two brain cells.

00:19:46.080 You just have to sit there, playfully laugh and talk about your social life.

00:19:50.260 And then she has the rest of her day with hundreds of millions of dollars to play with.

00:19:58.960 Of course she has an incredibly toned physique.

00:20:01.880 They're like, oh, she, um, hold on a second.

00:20:05.660 According to her trainer of over 14 years, Anna Kaiser, the TV personality works out six

00:20:11.420 days of the week for 45 minutes, no matter where she is.

00:20:15.220 Quote, even when she travels, she'll do the workouts virtually if she needs to.

00:20:19.240 Kaiser told hello magazine.

00:20:20.780 Everyone knows that is her hour morning or evening.

00:20:23.920 She gets 45 minutes in and that is her time.

00:20:26.920 Kaiser describes her workouts as interval based with a focus on strength.

00:20:31.680 Then I add elements of cardio dance and power to elevate and make the strength training more

00:20:37.240 effective.

00:20:37.840 The trainer explained to the publication and on it goes.

00:20:40.820 I mean, I just think Maureen, like the average person out there gets up early.

00:20:46.540 They try to get their school, their kids off to school on time.

00:20:48.820 It's like, get your backpack, get your shoes, get your workout gear, get the lunch, the money,

00:20:53.720 the, the project, the science thing.

00:20:55.640 You get them off.

00:20:56.920 You're lucky if you get them to school on time, you come back, deal with the shrapnel

00:21:00.940 of the morning, which has been left all over the kitchen and the family room.

00:21:04.680 Then you try to get yourself together looking somewhat decent for the day.

00:21:09.220 You either go off to work an eight or nine hour day where you don't really have a lot

00:21:12.960 of free time.

00:21:13.860 You actually have agenda items you have to turn in.

00:21:16.820 Commute probably.

00:21:17.680 You have a commute.

00:21:18.620 Or if you're a stay-at-home mom, you have a shit ton of other stuff to do.

00:21:21.680 You got to do all the daytime chores.

00:21:23.600 You know, you got to do the laundry, which takes hours and hours.

00:21:25.460 You got to clean.

00:21:26.200 You got to take care of the dogs.

00:21:27.400 You got to do like all that crap.

00:21:28.820 Yep.

00:21:30.100 And you don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to throw away on trainers six days

00:21:34.960 a week who the Daily Mail has a picture of her.

00:21:37.240 Maybe they got it from hello.

00:21:38.060 No, it was from her Instagram, I think of the trainer, like with a, with a, like a, a

00:21:42.420 training, uh, band around her.

00:21:44.960 And she's like running against it, like an oxen, you know, against the, the, the plow.

00:21:49.840 And there, there it is.

00:21:51.040 Look at this.

00:21:52.160 I'm sure this is just how you work out too, isn't it?

00:21:54.380 Oh, stop.

00:21:55.020 Yeah.

00:21:55.320 This is how you work out.

00:21:56.680 And I'm just like, this is so unattainable.

00:21:58.800 And they talk about it.

00:21:59.600 Like it's like hashtag goals.

00:22:01.380 This would require a lot more than just carving out a mere 45 minutes and being super committed

00:22:07.360 to it in your day.

00:22:08.600 Did you ever do physique 57 or ballet bar class in the city?

00:22:12.760 I remember it was big when I was living in New York.

00:22:14.540 It was a big thing.

00:22:15.060 And I used to do it.

00:22:16.280 And I remember being up there.

00:22:18.040 Um, it was near the post office and she was in a class with me one day.

00:22:22.160 And I was like, this is interesting.

00:22:23.780 Like she just got off TV.

00:22:25.120 Like she's got the time.

00:22:26.380 Like she doesn't do any work after the show.

00:22:28.580 She just cuts loose and goes to physique 57.

00:22:31.600 Yeah, she does.

00:22:32.560 The other thing I hate about this stuff.

00:22:34.360 And Jennifer Aniston is a prime offender in this area too, because she's always like

00:22:38.560 these, it's in her home gym with like the Pilates equipment alone is like $10,000 at least.

00:22:45.620 And then you have to have a trainer to use that stuff properly.

00:22:49.220 I used to do Pilates all the time.

00:22:50.920 I love it.

00:22:51.960 But, um, these people also have private nutritionists and chefs because that's really where it comes.

00:22:58.740 It's not like working out 45 minutes a day.

00:23:01.120 That's a supplement.

00:23:02.060 That's a nice add on for longevity, health span, whatever.

00:23:05.200 It's really what you're eating.

00:23:06.740 And it's having somebody who can like measure all the food and weigh all the food and keep

00:23:11.260 track of your intake.

00:23:12.260 Like that is a full time job.

00:23:14.860 Yes.

00:23:15.300 And also the laser procedures all over their body.

00:23:19.280 Yes.

00:23:19.860 I know that they, there's a report that that Morpheus laser, which is supposed to hurt like

00:23:24.360 a mofo that Jennifer Lopez has one in her home.

00:23:29.120 So, but like, she's constantly being featured as like, this is what 56 looks like.

00:23:33.920 It's not.

00:23:34.200 No, it isn't.

00:23:35.180 It's not.

00:23:36.040 It's not like you go to the dermatologist, you can, you can get anything lasered off.

00:23:41.040 You can get little age spots lasered off.

00:23:43.720 You know, all the sun damage women typically get here.

00:23:46.300 You can get that all resurfaced.

00:23:48.500 Most women at their age, it's like creepy.

00:23:51.180 It's beginning to, you know, it's, so it's such bullshit.

00:23:54.240 That thing about her having a Morpheus laser is so amazing.

00:23:57.380 Can you imagine what that costs to have that in your home?

00:24:00.180 I can't even imagine.

00:24:00.960 I talk to my derm all the time about like, so she just opened a new office in Aspen and

00:24:05.160 she's like, yeah, like I had to, I bought X number of lasers.

00:24:08.600 Most derms won't invest in X number of lasers because they're that expensive.

00:24:12.920 They're so expensive.

00:24:14.020 This is why I tell the audience, this is what I do.

00:24:17.100 I do two Fraxels a year and I love it.

00:24:19.880 And they will do it on the chest and it will get rid of a lot of sun damage.

00:24:22.980 You can get it on your chest.

00:24:24.140 You can get it on the back of your hands if you want and get it on your face.

00:24:27.080 And it doesn't hurt at all.

00:24:29.040 They give you the numbing cream.

00:24:30.280 Fraxel doesn't hurt?

00:24:30.560 No, they give you the numbing cream.

00:24:32.000 You sit with the numbing cream for about 50 minutes, 5-0.

00:24:36.560 And then honestly, that Fraxel doesn't hurt at all.

00:24:38.960 Then when you're done, you look a little sunburned for a day.

00:24:41.320 You're a little swollen.

00:24:43.200 They'll give you a steroid if you want it.

00:24:45.040 But like, you know, like if I'm going to be on the air, but I usually try not to schedule

00:24:48.240 it when I'm going to be on the air the next day.

00:24:50.020 But anyway, you do that twice a year.

00:24:51.380 And I'm telling you, it is a game changer for your skin.

00:24:54.680 But I just hate the, you're like, sure, it's just your 45 minutes a day.

00:24:58.680 And also just the presumption that like, that's such an easy thing that anybody can do.

00:25:03.020 It's not.

00:25:03.800 It's not that easy to find that time every day.

00:25:06.880 But it is if you have hundreds of millions of bucks.

00:25:09.620 It's really not.

00:25:10.560 And you know, I was talking to somebody about this the other day.

00:25:13.860 Like, I used to work out almost like every day.

00:25:16.820 And since launching the nerve, I haven't had time.

00:25:20.400 Yes.

00:25:20.720 And you know what stuff like this does?

00:25:21.960 It makes me feel like shit about myself.

00:25:23.520 I know, I know.

00:25:24.120 Because why don't, why can't I carve out 45 minutes, you know?

00:25:27.460 It sounds so easy.

00:25:28.680 It sounds so easy, but it's not before you know it.

00:25:31.060 The day is gone.

00:25:32.020 And you're wiped out.

00:25:33.620 You're tired.

00:25:34.560 And like, can you imagine, like, where are you and I going to go to meet our trainer with

00:25:39.020 the super band to treat us like the oxen?

00:25:41.720 It's like zero degrees outside.

00:25:44.080 I don't want to leave the house in zero degrees.

00:25:46.880 I'm not going anywhere.

00:25:48.280 Me neither.

00:25:49.140 It's funny.

00:25:49.460 It's funny because when we were away in the warmth this past weekend, my daughter, she's

00:25:53.600 14 and I, we were doing, in another life, in another body, I used to teach aerobics.

00:25:57.860 So I still have a good abs routine.

00:25:59.880 So we were doing an abs routine together and we're like, let's keep, let's keep it.

00:26:03.120 We're going to do it every day, you know, between now and like spring break.

00:26:06.240 And we're going to like work on our core.

00:26:07.900 Of course, we come back.

00:26:09.140 She's busier than I am.

00:26:10.320 It's like, if you have a full life, it actually is very challenging to work in just the absolute

00:26:16.220 regular workout.

00:26:17.740 It's just annoying because even today with like the Maha and like the, everybody's all

00:26:22.140 about longevity.

00:26:24.300 And I just, sometimes you really just want to kind of say, shut the fuck up.

00:26:29.040 It's very hard.

00:26:30.560 It's very hard.

00:26:31.100 And you know what actually did make me feel a little bit better?

00:26:33.220 Cause so many of these people are selling stuff that is unattainable and really impossible.

00:26:38.760 And what they're really selling is aspiration.

00:26:41.140 Like they're selling the goal, but never really attaining the goal.

00:26:43.920 Yeah.

00:26:44.480 Finding out that Peter Atiyah was in the Epstein files, emailing Epstein.

00:26:48.820 You feel like, okay, there's a lot of fraudulence here.

00:26:51.820 A lot.

00:26:52.980 Well, I forgive Peter Atiyah because he outed himself as having been a hot mess earlier in

00:26:59.160 his life, in his book.

00:27:00.280 So I think, I don't think it was about Epstein, but I think there was an implicit, like, I

00:27:05.760 used to be a very fucked up person and it's been, well, I mean.

00:27:10.480 I do like Megan, those emails.

00:27:12.520 And what I forgot about, cause I think I blacked it out.

00:27:15.520 I've read part of Outlive.

00:27:17.780 I think it's in the introduction.

00:27:19.540 He talks about this.

00:27:20.920 He talks about his wife having delivered their newborn son who was in the NICU fighting

00:27:26.400 for his life.

00:27:27.240 Yeah.

00:27:27.740 And he wasn't there.

00:27:29.160 She was begging him, will you come and stay in the hospital with me?

00:27:33.180 And he was like, no.

00:27:35.060 What he left out of that introduction was that he was over at Epstein's mansion partying.

00:27:39.620 Like, I personally can't forgive that.

00:27:41.580 Like, I can't.

00:27:42.600 I feel like it's not great, but it's between them.

00:27:46.680 Like, I don't, it's not just about a bad marriage or like a problematic marriage.

00:27:51.180 It's about fealty to one's son and one's baby and one's fatherly responsibility.

00:27:57.220 Your baby is fighting for his life as a newborn and you're over at Epstein who's abusing children.

00:28:04.240 You're over at that house.

00:28:05.280 I know.

00:28:05.700 Like, I cannot square it.

00:28:07.280 Like, I can't.

00:28:08.000 I'm not, I can't make an excuse for it because I love Peter Atiyah and I, and he's been so

00:28:11.320 good to me personally.

00:28:12.100 And I really, I think he can recover from this.

00:28:14.900 I think he should do like one interview or one podcast where he just explains this.

00:28:19.660 And I think people will be quick to forgive him because he's literally trying to help

00:28:22.520 us all live longer.

00:28:23.320 Like, it's like, he's not the greatest messenger on like how to behave morally, but he does

00:28:28.820 know how to behave in order to extend your life.

00:28:30.940 And he's trying to help people.

00:28:32.240 I think one interview or one podcast on his own where he says it was worse than I disclosed

00:28:37.640 and let me tell you everything.

00:28:39.160 Okay.

00:28:39.520 If I'm going to, I disagree, but here's what I would advise as perhaps a mea culpa in the

00:28:47.220 public square.

00:28:48.500 Lower your fees and treat some people who don't have money.

00:28:52.020 Yeah.

00:28:52.240 Stop charging or you keep your clients who pay you $200,000 a year for like a couple

00:28:57.120 of exams and, you know, some free advice on email, not free, you're paying for it, but

00:29:01.560 maybe go into an inner city and set up a little medical tent.

00:29:04.920 Oh, that's a good idea.

00:29:05.840 I mean, I'm giving the devil ideas.

00:29:07.740 Stop me.

00:29:11.300 That actually is a very good idea.

00:29:13.000 They should all do it.

00:29:13.980 They should all these outlived or longevity guys should do something like that.

00:29:17.240 Yeah, they really should.

00:29:18.080 They really should.

00:29:18.840 They do charge hundreds of thousands of dollars and no normal human can afford one-tenth of

00:29:23.100 that.

00:29:23.360 You know, I saw on 60 Minutes years ago when they were actually doing real journalism.

00:29:26.580 There are these, I don't know if they're military ships or they're private ones that like charities

00:29:32.240 I'll pay for, but like twice a year, like some of the best medical professionals, specialists

00:29:37.820 in any field, whether it's ear specialists or phlebotomists, whatever, will go into the

00:29:47.020 most underserved, underprivileged communities and treat people who could never seek that

00:29:52.340 kind of medical attention.

00:29:53.540 Oh, that's good.

00:29:53.800 And I love that idea, you know?

00:29:55.540 Even like these plastic surgeons who are like, I go down into like Haiti and I fixed

00:29:59.560 cleft lips for kids.

00:30:00.880 That's good.

00:30:01.680 But like maybe start at home, you know?

00:30:03.840 I'm sure there are actually a lot of Americans who are suffering or kids who have some deformity

00:30:08.480 that their parents are never-

00:30:10.060 Kids whose parents can't afford braces.

00:30:11.420 Yes.

00:30:11.820 Stuff like that.

00:30:12.680 Yes.

00:30:13.180 It's relatively inexpensive.

00:30:14.960 I paid for Abby's Invisalign.

00:30:17.800 Oh God, Megan.

00:30:19.220 It's the same.

00:30:22.680 I can't believe you just said that.

00:30:23.860 It's the same.

00:30:26.680 Okay.

00:30:27.300 Let's talk about Hoda Kotb.

00:30:28.900 Okay.

00:30:29.340 You're shocked, shocked to learn she wants back on the Today Show, I know.

00:30:33.120 Do you know that we ambushed her yesterday?

00:30:35.300 What?

00:30:35.880 At 30, at the Rockefeller Plaza.

00:30:38.000 Has this hit on the nerve yet?

00:30:39.260 Yeah.

00:30:39.680 It aired this morning.

00:30:40.420 Our producer Marlena got up really early yesterday with our new hire, Lauren, and they went to

00:30:44.920 30 Rock with a nerve sign.

00:30:47.920 Like it was disguised.

00:30:49.220 The front of it said, we heart Hoda.

00:30:51.280 Oh my gosh.

00:30:51.980 And then Marlena got next to Hoda and then flipped open at the nerve.

00:30:58.180 And Hoda was just like, hi, hi.

00:31:01.140 Did she get to ask her anything?

00:31:02.480 She did not, but we got intel.

00:31:04.860 This is top.

00:31:05.540 We'll share this with you exclusively.

00:31:08.600 The security guard said, oh, you're really excited to meet Hoda, huh?

00:31:13.900 And Marlena was like, yeah.

00:31:15.040 And he said, yeah, it's a good thing you came.

00:31:17.460 She's at the end of her two-week residency.

00:31:20.360 Oh.

00:31:21.640 Or is she?

00:31:22.440 I don't know that she's going to be back on the Today Show next week in that chair.

00:31:25.600 They might be rotating contenders.

00:31:27.840 Well, I mean, the report is that she wants back on at least.

00:31:31.400 Oh, I believe that.

00:31:32.040 But Maureen, she wanted to be at home with her children.

00:31:34.820 Megan, she couldn't give you their names, their social security numbers, their latest

00:31:39.900 school where they're enrolled.

00:31:41.660 She forgot all that.

00:31:42.920 A minute.

00:31:43.940 We did this thing with, we have this body language expert who comes on who I love.

00:31:48.200 His name is Mark Bowden.

00:31:49.100 And we picked for him Hoda's first day in the chair.

00:31:54.400 And Hoda, literally, like, Savannah's mother's been missing for like a week at this point.

00:32:00.180 Hoda's like this with her hands.

00:32:01.280 She's like, what's that about?

00:32:04.600 She's like, she's like chomping at the bit to get going as like the new co-host of Today.

00:32:09.380 She's like, calm yourself down.

00:32:11.540 Calm yourself down.

00:32:12.340 Don't jump out of the chair and don't smile too widely because this is a tragedy.

00:32:15.600 Yeah, right, right, right, right.

00:32:17.300 I wrongly left because they wouldn't pay my salary demands, claiming I just wanted to

00:32:23.700 spend more time with my children.

00:32:25.200 This is all according to reports, unconfirmed directly, but believable.

00:32:29.680 And now I've realized I'm miserable.

00:32:32.060 I've spent the past year plus trying to get back on the Today Show at every turn, no matter

00:32:37.780 how I can.

00:32:38.760 Then she launched that unsuccessful podcast.

00:32:42.360 Her Joy 101 app.

00:32:43.740 Yes, which the most recent interview has 1,800 views.

00:32:48.140 It's so grim.

00:32:48.960 Not even 2,000 views, Maureen.

00:32:51.140 It's so grim.

00:32:52.620 That's dark.

00:32:53.640 So, of course, she's like, I'll be there.

00:32:55.860 I will come.

00:32:56.600 I will co-host for Savannah.

00:32:58.640 I will save the day.

00:33:00.300 And if it so happens that I should have to stay, I will make that sacrifice for the team.

00:33:05.540 Her heart's breaking.

00:33:06.420 It's in a million pieces, you know.

00:33:08.480 And she, in that same first day back, Craig Melvin is sitting next to her and he is most

00:33:15.120 displeased.

00:33:16.260 He does not want this woman anywhere near him.

00:33:18.580 And she's going, he's like, well, welcome back, Hoda.

00:33:23.080 Welcome back.

00:33:23.960 Like a bad penny.

00:33:25.100 Yeah.

00:33:25.460 We can't get rid of you.

00:33:26.460 And she goes, you know, Craig, I'm very happy to be here.

00:33:29.080 And you know why I'm happy to be here?

00:33:30.560 Because we are a family.

00:33:32.260 And I am a part of this family.

00:33:34.500 And this is what family does.

00:33:35.820 They show up for each other.

00:33:37.220 And it's like, just try a little less, Hoda.

00:33:39.820 Exactly.

00:33:40.220 Just try a little less.

00:33:40.900 So you don't have to even say that shit if it's true.

00:33:43.240 Exactly.

00:33:43.720 Do you run around with your family members going, hey, you know what?

00:33:46.100 We're family.

00:33:47.100 I'm a member of this family.

00:33:47.960 Oh, no.

00:33:48.760 Or like, even when you're here, like the reason we can talk like this, Maureen, is because

00:33:52.160 we're close.

00:33:52.720 Because we're friends.

00:33:53.680 We're real friends.

00:33:54.400 We don't have to talk about it.

00:33:55.380 If I said that, it would be disgusting.

00:33:57.300 It would be so weird.

00:33:58.480 It would be like so off-putting.

00:33:59.280 Like, it would be like, they're not friends.

00:34:00.840 No, they continue to try to do this.

00:34:03.000 And it's, I've been telling the audience, these are lies.

00:34:05.480 I can speak to this.

00:34:06.440 Hello.

00:34:06.800 I know this for a fact.

00:34:08.240 You went through that crucible.

00:34:09.120 It's not true.

00:34:10.140 They don't like each other.

00:34:11.140 They're constantly stabbing each other in the back.

00:34:12.940 It wasn't just me.

00:34:14.060 It was me most of all when I was there.

00:34:15.800 But it's not just me.

00:34:16.940 They're all like, it's always a power battle.

00:34:19.320 That's the problem.

00:34:20.240 And actually, my team pulled some examples of this.

00:34:23.620 I think they said it's in, is it in ascending order?

00:34:26.880 So we have the worst offender last.

00:34:28.360 Let's take a look at what they've put together.

00:34:29.700 I don't know.

00:34:30.320 We're going to watch thought one, which is Jenna and Savannah.

00:34:33.640 I haven't seen this.

00:34:34.540 We'll watch it together.

00:34:35.820 What about you?

00:34:36.660 Well, same thing.

00:34:37.200 We got, well, actually, now that I'm remembering this, we got married.

00:34:41.500 I also wasn't invited.

00:34:42.880 Okay, well, that's weird.

00:34:44.580 And she claims we weren't friends.

00:34:46.280 No, we were friends, but it was a small wedding.

00:34:49.060 We can't do this again.

00:34:50.040 Okay, go ahead.

00:34:50.520 Okay, okay.

00:34:51.700 We've never been here.

00:34:53.080 I know.

00:34:53.440 I know.

00:34:53.740 Sure.

00:34:53.860 Okay, but look at what's happening.

00:34:55.400 Listen, if we were married today, we would be each other's wives.

00:34:57.920 A hundred percent.

00:34:58.560 Okay, and we're our kid's godmother.

00:35:00.240 Yes, we've done it.

00:35:01.240 It's done.

00:35:03.080 Okay.

00:35:03.820 All right.

00:35:04.140 There's still some bitterness there about the fact that Jenna wasn't invited to Savannah's wedding.

00:35:08.780 Okay.

00:35:09.380 It's a little awkward to keep bringing it up on the air.

00:35:12.280 Exactly.

00:35:12.640 Are you okay?

00:35:13.560 I'm having a little bit of a, all of this dark energy, I think, is getting to me.

00:35:19.000 Do you want one of my Luden's watermelon cough drops?

00:35:23.240 You're such a friend, Megan.

00:35:25.480 Those got me through a couple, I don't know, months ago.

00:35:27.980 You guys remember when I was sick after Thanksgiving?

00:35:29.980 Oh my God, no.

00:35:30.760 But like to sit there and be like broadcasting to the world, you didn't invite me to your wedding?

00:35:35.720 And I'm still bitter about it.

00:35:37.060 Savannah was married like 10 years ago or more.

00:35:39.360 That was long before Jenna got there, I think.

00:35:40.920 Yeah, like get over it.

00:35:41.840 Who cares?

00:35:42.740 Apparently not because she seems upset.

00:35:45.000 All right.

00:35:45.120 Here's another one.

00:35:46.480 I don't care about the Chanel one.

00:35:48.000 Let's do Savannah and Hoda.

00:35:51.280 Oh, this is during the 4 a.m. ride.

00:35:53.580 This is from Hoda's show, her Joyride episode.

00:35:57.860 I think you and I may have talked about this.

00:35:59.220 This is Sot 3.

00:36:00.480 By the way, I have a question.

00:36:02.040 Why couldn't we have had makeup and stuff on?

00:36:06.000 Number one, where are you right now in your life?

00:36:09.380 In the car with you.

00:36:10.920 At an ungodly hour.

00:36:14.960 Are there any other questions?

00:36:17.120 No, that's it.

00:36:18.280 I need to be at work, like soon.

00:36:21.840 Unlike you.

00:36:23.480 That one's really bad.

00:36:25.740 Excuse me, because that was one.

00:36:27.140 I think that was Hoda's first.

00:36:28.840 Yeah, she was the inaugural.

00:36:30.480 Savannah.

00:36:30.860 And you could tell Savannah, like she wasn't even disguising her contempt for this.

00:36:36.140 As it is, she has to get up at 4 a.m. for that car ride.

00:36:39.180 Yes.

00:36:39.860 And she says at one point, this is an ungodly hour and normally Joy is in scarce supply here.

00:36:46.700 And she's also saying, like, you're in full hair and makeup.

00:36:49.480 I'm not.

00:36:50.040 Yeah.

00:36:50.300 I'm the one doing the favor here.

00:36:51.740 Yeah.

00:36:52.040 For you.

00:36:52.760 Mm-hmm.

00:36:53.100 Well, and the reports are that Savannah did not want Hoda to be anywhere near the first

00:36:59.840 hour of the Today Show because Savannah considers herself like a serious journalist and she considers Hoda the one who used to booze it up with Kathy Lee in the 10 o'clock hour.

00:37:09.840 Oh, right.

00:37:10.280 So it's like, why would she be added in and that she reportedly fought to keep her off of that hour and make it more about Savannah and Willie Geist.

00:37:18.420 But Willie Geist is very boring and no one wants to watch him.

00:37:23.320 Explain Willie Geist.

00:37:24.080 How does he have such longevity there?

00:37:26.060 I don't know.

00:37:26.640 They use him over on Morning Joe and I'm like, this is such a mismatch.

00:37:30.560 You can't put him on Morning Joe where he's as partisan as they are and then have him flit over to the Today Show and ask Today Show viewers, some of whom are right-leaning, to accept him in this neutral role.

00:37:43.540 Right.

00:37:43.700 Like, that's just never going to work.

00:37:46.100 So that's one of their many problems.

00:37:47.700 All right.

00:37:47.900 Here's another one.

00:37:49.140 This is Hoda and Savannah again.

00:37:50.800 No, let's play.

00:37:51.340 I want to see Sot 4.

00:37:52.480 Let's see it.

00:37:53.460 It's quick.

00:37:53.780 Al makes the best sandwiches at your house.

00:37:59.140 Come on over.

00:38:00.360 He does it every Tuesday.

00:38:01.040 We're doing it at 1 o'clock.

00:38:02.020 The best.

00:38:02.360 Every Tuesday.

00:38:02.580 Okay.

00:38:02.820 Stop trying to make Tuesday a thing.

00:38:04.440 It's not happening.

00:38:05.060 Already a thing.

00:38:06.040 It's because you're right.

00:38:07.160 Yes.

00:38:08.560 Okay.

00:38:09.000 That was whatever.

00:38:10.420 Not great, but I see it.

00:38:11.840 And now here is Sot 6.

00:38:15.360 Anyway, there's a new trend in weddings.

00:38:16.960 And it's all about micro weddings, small weddings, tiny weddings.

00:38:21.840 They're growing in popularity because I think people don't want to spend a ton of money on

00:38:26.180 the party and then afterwards with the bills and whatnot.

00:38:28.960 I mean, if you look back, like, think about who was at your first wedding.

00:38:33.080 Why do you do that?

00:38:33.560 I'm sorry.

00:38:34.560 Well, your only wedding.

00:38:35.860 But when you think about it, weren't there some people that you were, I mean, for me.

00:38:39.260 I did a destination wedding.

00:38:40.620 Oh, so it was small?

00:38:41.460 Yeah.

00:38:41.660 It wasn't small, but it wasn't huge.

00:38:43.300 Although I think my parents had a micro wedding and my dad has a big family.

00:38:46.860 Oh, they did?

00:38:47.500 Yeah, but my mom has a small family.

00:38:49.260 I mean, they had 30 people.

00:38:51.380 That's micro-ish.

00:38:52.180 I think that's micro-ish.

00:38:53.540 It's 10 to 30.

00:38:54.600 So they were right there.

00:38:55.840 Yeah.

00:38:56.420 Yeah.

00:38:56.920 Well, wouldn't you?

00:38:57.700 I mean, I don't know what to ask.

00:38:59.020 Would you like to have a small wedding or a large wedding one day?

00:39:04.300 When that day comes.

00:39:05.460 Yeah.

00:39:06.380 Probably a small.

00:39:08.260 I'm so uncomfortable.

00:39:09.140 You know, Jenna hates Hoda and Hoda hates Jenna.

00:39:15.680 And I recently just watched, because we just did a piece on this, you know how Anna Wintour

00:39:21.020 is dragging her successor, Chloe Mao?

00:39:23.220 Yes.

00:39:23.860 Big time.

00:39:25.020 That clip is crazy.

00:39:26.600 It's like, Anna's like, I just want, I'm going to get out of the frame.

00:39:29.420 Like, this woman is a mess, you know?

00:39:31.100 But she picked her.

00:39:31.860 They gave a joint interview.

00:39:33.320 To the New York Times style.

00:39:34.500 The new one's kind of earnest and saying, like, what she's worried about.

00:39:37.600 And Anna Wintour is, like, glaring at her, like, you're a twit.

00:39:40.840 I can't believe I'm sharing a camera with you.

00:39:42.920 Also supremely, like, a supremely unglamorous twit.

00:39:46.180 Yes.

00:39:46.480 Right.

00:39:48.120 And so then Chloe went over by herself, like a big girl, to today to be interviewed by Jenna

00:39:54.380 Bush Hager.

00:39:55.180 Oh, boy.

00:39:55.660 For, like, a big one-on-one.

00:39:56.960 And Jenna goes, you know, we have something in common.

00:40:00.720 We're both from famous families.

00:40:02.800 Oh, God.

00:40:03.060 So we're looking at two complete charisma vacuums colliding.

00:40:08.500 Wait, who's the, what, is she a Nepo baby, the girl taking over for Anna Wintour?

00:40:12.000 So Chloe's mother is Candace Bergen.

00:40:13.880 Oh, no way.

00:40:14.620 And her father is the famed, he's dead now, French Oscar-winning director Louis Mal, who

00:40:20.580 you would know, your child, a similar vintage, he directed Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby when

00:40:28.120 she was, like, 13.

00:40:28.660 Oh, wow, perverted.

00:40:29.200 Yeah.

00:40:29.520 Oh, my God, that movie could never fly today.

00:40:31.600 Never.

00:40:32.000 Completely perved.

00:40:33.160 Never.

00:40:33.640 But, you know, maybe it explains why Chloe's such a dud.

00:40:36.540 Like, she just wants to be normal.

00:40:38.240 She does seem very boring.

00:40:39.720 She's a total dud.

00:40:41.000 At least Anna Wintour's not boring.

00:40:42.720 You know, you're always wondering what's going on underneath those sunglasses.

00:40:45.560 I feel like with a fashion editor of that magnitude, you need a big personality and you need a big look

00:40:52.340 to go with it.

00:40:53.140 Yeah.

00:40:53.360 You know, like, you think of, like, the Diana Vreeland's of the world.

00:40:56.320 Like, that's what you want.

00:40:57.180 You and I look better than she looked in that little interview.

00:40:59.340 You and I could edit Vogue.

00:41:00.680 Oh, I think it would be a much bigger success, actually.

00:41:03.780 It absolutely would be.

00:41:04.860 We would know who to profile and we certainly wouldn't begin a profile of Gavin Newsom with

00:41:09.240 the nonsense that they just did, which sounded like a fawning teenager spending time with

00:41:14.960 the prom king.

00:41:15.680 It was humiliating what they wrote about him.

00:41:18.680 His hairline and, God, what were some of the adjectives?

00:41:21.420 It was so painful.

00:41:22.180 I could barely get through.

00:41:22.920 I read some of it to J.D. Vance.

00:41:24.260 We both agreed he will not get that treatment when he sits with Vogue.

00:41:27.480 Well, if J.D. ever gets to sit with Vogue.

00:41:29.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:30.360 Or his wife, they'll never get to sit with Vogue.

00:41:32.560 Exactly.

00:41:32.900 Meanwhile, Usha Vance is stunning.

00:41:34.640 I mean, she was, and she's a brown person.

00:41:37.540 So Vogue's supposed to love that, but not when you're married to J.D.

00:41:40.880 No, but so, exactly.

00:41:42.180 So the wife of the new mayor of New York City, Mom Domi, who has just distinguished himself

00:41:48.320 by racking up like 20 deaths in the most recent snowstorm.

00:41:51.340 Yeah, they're just homeless, Maureen.

00:41:53.000 That's all.

00:41:53.560 They're just homeless.

00:41:54.380 It actually makes me think, it makes me wonder, do people of that ilk who adhere to this belief

00:42:00.500 system of like communal communism, right?

00:42:03.600 Everybody gets the same.

00:42:05.460 Are these people really considered expendable in that way?

00:42:09.200 Because they don't contribute anything, right?

00:42:10.960 In the same way.

00:42:11.400 So they can die?

00:42:12.140 Who gives a shit?

00:42:12.700 In the same way, the tolerant left is the most intolerant group in America.

00:42:17.280 Name me a conservative who has canceled a friendship over politics.

00:42:21.820 It doesn't happen.

00:42:23.140 So true.

00:42:23.780 It is the left that cancels the right, that decides you're too far gone.

00:42:28.320 You're beyond the pale because you vote Republican, because you're a Trump supporter.

00:42:31.780 They hold your politics against you.

00:42:33.240 It only goes one way.

00:42:34.740 I got to tell you something.

00:42:36.020 I just found this out recently.

00:42:37.220 And the friend of mine who told me will not, I don't think, be upset by this.

00:42:41.460 I found out that someone on the outer ring of my social circle, who I thought was always

00:42:46.680 sort of pleasant to my face, said to this person we both know, how can you be friends

00:42:52.160 with Maureen?

00:42:53.340 She's a fascist.

00:42:54.840 A fascist.

00:42:57.600 A fascist?

00:42:59.040 She's a fascist.

00:43:00.380 I guess, I don't know, because of where I work or because I come on your show or I work for you.

00:43:05.580 I have no idea.

00:43:07.640 Yeah.

00:43:07.780 But I just laughed out loud when I heard it because clearly I think this person really

00:43:13.400 believes it.

00:43:14.220 Right.

00:43:14.460 And like, that's so stupid.

00:43:16.260 Yes.

00:43:16.980 It's so stupid.

00:43:17.400 But it's so fun when you realize how dumb certain people, you know, who have been in your life

00:43:21.340 are that you didn't know.

00:43:22.620 Like, it's a big reveal.

00:43:23.720 Like, wow.

00:43:24.500 Okay.

00:43:25.320 But it's just so funny.

00:43:26.300 I would never hold a friend's politics against her.

00:43:29.460 I don't care who you vote for.

00:43:31.240 I really don't.

00:43:32.280 Could not care less, actually.

00:43:33.940 Um, if you, if you want to ask me about my thoughts on politics or whatever, that's,

00:43:38.360 I'll tell you, obviously, I do that for a living and I'll listen to yours too.

00:43:42.540 I'm not offended by somebody else being a liberal or voting for Kamala.

00:43:45.800 You know, it's not something I would do, but I'm not offended by it.

00:43:48.400 It's only the left.

00:43:49.600 It's just, they're so intolerant.

00:43:51.240 They're so hypocritical.

00:43:52.600 All right.

00:43:53.120 Let's keep going.

00:43:54.480 Um, have you been following the Nancy Guthrie, Nancy, Vinay Ramsey?

00:43:59.460 A little bit.

00:44:00.280 A lot.

00:44:01.120 A lot.

00:44:01.780 Okay.

00:44:02.080 Um, I don't know.

00:44:03.940 Trump weighed in again.

00:44:05.700 Oh yeah.

00:44:06.240 I mean, two weeks ago he was saying like, we've got it solved.

00:44:09.740 And that.

00:44:10.300 Well, he did say, he said, I think some good things are about to happen.

00:44:13.300 And that was the day before Kash Patel released that video.

00:44:16.840 It's, it's ambiguous.

00:44:17.740 If I'm being honest, he said it on a Friday night and Kash Patel released the stuff on a

00:44:21.480 Tuesday.

00:44:21.980 Okay.

00:44:22.360 And there were reports that the FBI had just found it like that day or on Monday and they

00:44:27.140 released it immediately.

00:44:27.960 So I, to this moment, I don't totally know if that's what Trump was talking about.

00:44:31.180 Okay.

00:44:31.860 I think it is.

00:44:33.480 I feel like they probably did have it and he knew, or maybe they at least stumbled upon

00:44:37.040 it at Google and they had told the president that's plausible to me because if Trump doesn't,

00:44:41.080 he actually doesn't, unlike what the left says about him, run out there and say shit

00:44:43.940 that he doesn't, he can't back up.

00:44:45.320 Um, but now that's why I'm more bummed about his current messaging, which does not sound

00:44:51.720 hopeful.

00:44:52.500 He got asked again on Air Force One this time.

00:44:54.840 I think the last time too, it was by, uh, Peter Doocy about like, what do you think on

00:44:58.940 the Nancy Guthrie case?

00:45:00.380 And this is where Trump went with it, uh, yesterday.

00:45:03.400 Here it is.

00:45:03.700 Thought seven.

00:45:04.080 What do you, based on what you've been told, what do you think happened to Savannah Guthrie's

00:45:08.440 mom, Nancy?

00:45:09.600 Boy, it's so, so crazy.

00:45:12.440 It's so bad.

00:45:13.340 I didn't like when they were talking about the going after the pacemaker and the, and

00:45:18.140 you know, before they even started going after it, they're coming and reporting it.

00:45:21.400 So if in fact they could do it that way, the person would say, well, I'm not going to let

00:45:25.960 that happen.

00:45:26.680 Right?

00:45:27.380 So bad things would happen if he didn't, not going to let that happen.

00:45:30.560 I can't imagine why they would have done that.

00:45:33.360 And just in terms of strategy, just one little piece.

00:45:36.200 I don't know, but we have to start reporting on other subjects also and see what happens.

00:45:42.500 It's a very sad situation.

00:45:45.360 That doesn't sound so hopeful, Maureen.

00:45:47.300 Doesn't sound like a man who just got good news from Kash Patel about where the investigation

00:45:50.280 is.

00:45:51.360 I've been thinking about this a lot because, um, I've really loathed this sheriff since

00:45:56.900 day one.

00:45:58.140 And I just wish there were, I don't know what the mechanism would be to just remove him

00:46:02.560 and the sheriff's office and just let the FBI run a point on this and contain the messaging

00:46:08.720 because he's no longer giving pressers, but any outlet that asks, he will talk to you.

00:46:14.740 And I was listening to your show this morning about the amount of times he like weeps.

00:46:21.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.400 Or tries to.

00:46:22.480 Or tries to.

00:46:23.460 And there's like this weird inversion of like his level of competence.

00:46:29.380 Like he doesn't, he, he won't realize how incompetent he truly is and his love of media

00:46:36.020 attention.

00:46:36.660 And anybody who had an iota of self-awareness would know, well, I'm, I'm in way over my head

00:46:40.740 on this one.

00:46:41.540 I should run from the media.

00:46:43.320 I should let the FBI deal with this messaging because Trump just said something really smart

00:46:48.420 there.

00:46:49.660 They said, we're now looking for the pacemaker.

00:46:52.180 So whoever did this is going to go retrieve that pacemaker and destroy that pacemaker.

00:46:56.740 So strategically, that's pretty idiotic.

00:46:59.260 Yeah.

00:46:59.480 If Nancy's been killed.

00:47:00.880 Exactly.

00:47:01.420 That's.

00:47:01.660 But is it, is there, is it possible that the pacemaker still emits even if the person

00:47:06.500 is dead?

00:47:07.100 So there's.

00:47:07.400 Yes, it does.

00:47:08.060 Yeah.

00:47:08.320 Not only is it possible, it's probable.

00:47:09.900 They say they do.

00:47:11.120 Um, but that's what normally happens.

00:47:13.240 It would continue emitting.

00:47:15.080 It just won't be communicating with the iPhone because it, unless the iPhone's within 30 feet

00:47:18.980 of it.

00:47:19.660 Um, but yeah, it's still sending on a signal.

00:47:22.140 And if you get close enough, you can potentially detect it.

00:47:24.900 But his point is a good one, which basically, why do we know this?

00:47:28.100 If we're trying to like find someone who's in the custody, we presume of a bad man, right?

00:47:34.600 Why are we telegraphing to the bad man?

00:47:37.260 What we're doing?

00:47:38.220 Here's what we're looking for.

00:47:39.380 So you can go hide it.

00:47:40.680 Yes.

00:47:41.120 You know, I feel so terrible for Savannah Guthrie and her family because I remember

00:47:46.580 when my dad died, I didn't want to go over to stay with him until first responders got

00:47:56.060 there.

00:47:57.360 But I went and met my brother at the funeral home.

00:48:00.920 And I remember the first question I said to the funeral director was, where is he?

00:48:04.960 And it shocked me.

00:48:06.140 I never thought I would think that way about someone I loved who was dead.

00:48:09.980 I should know logically.

00:48:11.720 They came and they took him away and they brought him to the funeral home.

00:48:15.000 And, and, and she said, oh, he's here.

00:48:16.840 He's in the, he's in the other room.

00:48:18.040 And it was only, that was a key thing I needed to hear so that I could begin really grieving

00:48:24.180 properly.

00:48:24.780 And I, I fundamentally understood in my bones in that moment, why the families of the missing

00:48:31.760 and the dead spend their entire lives trying to find the remains.

00:48:35.740 It's tortuous.

00:48:36.740 I mean, they, they'll, they may never know.

00:48:39.120 And it's sad because like the news cycle around the story is drying up clearly because the police

00:48:45.300 are either running out of leads or have finally decided to stop sharing them.

00:48:49.340 And when that happens, the media does disappear.

00:48:52.360 That's natural.

00:48:53.260 That's the way news works.

00:48:54.500 And when the media disappears, so does the pressure on the police.

00:48:57.960 There, there will not, there will no longer be 400 law enforcement officers on this case

00:49:01.460 when the media packs up and leaves Tucson.

00:49:03.140 There will not.

00:49:05.040 And so for all this, like this, once again, this local congresswoman, she's a, a, an Arizona

00:49:10.560 state representative who continues every day to shame the media for covering this case.

00:49:14.720 What?

00:49:15.180 She's very mad at the influencers who say whatever they want.

00:49:18.220 You know what?

00:49:19.760 All you need to be saying is thank you.

00:49:21.980 Thanks for being here and calling attention to the Nancy Guthrie case.

00:49:26.380 Thanks to all those influencers you're shitting on.

00:49:29.200 She's a household name.

00:49:30.720 Okay.

00:49:31.160 Like it's, it's not because NBC does one report a day on the today show on Nancy Guthrie

00:49:36.720 and their ratings are a shadow of what they used to be.

00:49:39.400 Their show is actually not that well watched.

00:49:42.060 It's the collective that's making her a ubiquitous household name.

00:49:47.020 And what we don't need is to shame the media who is now feeling like, do they even want

00:49:53.100 us here?

00:49:53.540 Like maybe we should peace out of here.

00:49:54.860 Like when there's no longer any reason to, and they're not getting daily news updates,

00:49:59.140 they will leave.

00:50:00.460 And then they're going to be really sorry.

00:50:02.140 They will leave.

00:50:02.660 And the other thing that's so key about this is the more, the, the outlets that regard themselves

00:50:08.360 as more august and above this kind of reportage, you know, the New York times, et cetera, the

00:50:13.200 way they covered this story or covered it.

00:50:15.780 I don't think they're covering it as assiduously anymore is why is the media so obsessed?

00:50:20.520 You know, they turn it into a meta story and they remove the actual heart of the story,

00:50:24.500 which is that a woman who is the mother of a very famous person in America was abducted

00:50:29.240 from her bed in the dead of night.

00:50:30.580 And it's terrifying and nobody has a lead.

00:50:33.060 And instead it's like, what, what's wrong in the American psyche?

00:50:36.660 What's wrong with all the little minds out there?

00:50:38.380 And then you know what comes right after that?

00:50:40.220 What?

00:50:40.640 Why don't they do this for black people?

00:50:42.560 Oh, right.

00:50:43.000 That's the next thing is they only do this for a privileged white lady who lives in Tucson.

00:50:48.840 On stolen land.

00:50:50.340 It's like, let me tell you right now that I don't know if Hoda's mom is still alive,

00:50:53.620 but if Hoda copies mom, God forbid, something like this happened to her, they'd cover it just

00:50:57.980 as much.

00:50:58.760 Holy shit.

00:50:59.320 You know what?

00:50:59.880 So I was talking to Rob Shooter the other day and he had this amazing report that Don

00:51:04.160 Lamont took out extra security for his mother.

00:51:07.620 Nobody wants Don's mother.

00:51:09.280 No, but he wants people to want, excuse me, he wants people to want his mother so that he

00:51:14.040 can get this kind of media coverage.

00:51:15.660 Did I tell you?

00:51:16.220 So I talked to my mom about security.

00:51:17.480 I'm like, mom, just FYI.

00:51:19.620 And then I let her know a couple of things.

00:51:21.300 And I did worry that she might be a little worried.

00:51:23.660 And she found out that we were going to be taking a look at her.

00:51:27.060 And she was so excited.

00:51:28.680 She was like, I can tell all my friends.

00:51:30.920 She wants to be in danger.

00:51:32.480 She wants like, it's like, ha ha, people want to get me, but they don't.

00:51:36.460 It's not true.

00:51:37.180 It's just my mom.

00:51:37.920 She's very funny.

00:51:39.420 Gotta love Linda.

00:51:40.340 All right, stand by.

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00:52:44.960 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:52:50.340 Maureen Callahan is back with me.

00:52:51.640 She's the host of The Nerve.

00:52:53.340 Go find it at thenerveshow.com and on YouTube and all podcast platforms.

00:52:57.920 It's a huge hit.

00:52:59.640 That's what you need to know.

00:53:00.560 I get stopped all the time about you, Maureen.

00:53:02.400 Tons of people.

00:53:03.600 And they're like, you know what I love?

00:53:05.080 I love The Nerve with Maureen Callahan.

00:53:07.240 Oh, I love hearing that.

00:53:08.740 Thank you.

00:53:09.760 And it's male and female.

00:53:11.340 It's amazing.

00:53:11.780 It has, I think, equal appeal as does The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:53:15.020 That's crazy.

00:53:15.840 Equal appeal to men and women.

00:53:17.120 I love that.

00:53:17.900 It's very hard to do.

00:53:18.980 Is it?

00:53:19.440 Yeah, it is.

00:53:20.200 It is.

00:53:20.560 Because I think the Today Show is obviously just going for women.

00:53:23.620 Right.

00:53:23.920 Right.

00:53:24.160 A lot of the Manosphere podcasts, they just want men.

00:53:27.040 Right.

00:53:27.340 It's hard to find an audience that's almost equal.

00:53:29.920 It's like 55, 45, what have you.

00:53:31.960 And so hats off to you, madam.

00:53:33.720 Well, thanks, Megan.

00:53:34.580 My favorite emails come from men who make sure to identify themselves as super straight.

00:53:39.600 Really tough guys.

00:53:40.700 They love lots of hot heterosexual sex.

00:53:43.220 They also love to shit talk Meghan Markle.

00:53:45.720 I got one from a welder the other day.

00:53:47.360 No way.

00:53:47.860 He was like, yeah, like I'm in the shop all the time.

00:53:49.780 I used to catch a ton of shit for listening to your show.

00:53:52.160 And then one day I was like, you got to come over here and hear what The Nerve is saying

00:53:54.900 about Meghan Markle.

00:53:55.800 And they were like all into it.

00:53:57.220 Oh, I don't mind if we do.

00:53:58.500 Don't mind if I do.

00:53:59.260 Well, it's funny you should mention her because I do have something queued up for you.

00:54:02.360 She recently attended an NBA game.

00:54:04.700 And because she doesn't really like publicity, she sat courtside with Harry and had to nudge

00:54:13.360 him to smile for the camera.

00:54:15.180 We've actually gone so far as to slow it down to slow-mo so that we can be sure we zero in.

00:54:20.740 Let us see.

00:54:22.120 Here she is.

00:54:22.960 Oh, hi, hi, hi.

00:54:24.140 There you are rubbing the arm.

00:54:27.140 Give your photo up.

00:54:29.160 So Maureen, there it is.

00:54:30.780 There's a slow-mo.

00:54:35.160 Oh, yeah.

00:54:36.160 The eyes.

00:54:36.540 You can't miss.

00:54:38.400 Darling, this is the whole reason we're here.

00:54:41.860 That's really what she's saying there.

00:54:43.640 Look into the damn camera and get me my shot.

00:54:47.300 If you're not looking, then they're not looking at me.

00:54:50.760 So there's a couple of things about that.

00:54:52.740 This is what Mark Bowden calls trophy behavior.

00:54:55.220 Oh.

00:54:56.020 So in doing this, Megan is showing off her trophy.

00:55:00.180 Oh.

00:55:00.440 And she's trying to animate the trophy to make sure that we're communicating that the trophy

00:55:05.920 is as much in love with me as I am with him.

00:55:10.040 Oh, that makes sense.

00:55:11.380 And then when you slow it down and you look at the minute he looks straight at the camera,

00:55:16.220 it's a micropause, but his eyes look like he could kill.

00:55:20.760 He looks, he doesn't want to be there and he doesn't want to be engaging with the media

00:55:28.340 that they ran away from, running for their lives.

00:55:31.480 That I think he genuinely hates.

00:55:33.420 Oh, I do too.

00:55:34.120 But she doesn't.

00:55:35.220 Oh, no.

00:55:35.540 She loves it.

00:55:37.120 And the other thing is you go, those seats are very coveted, even among celebrities.

00:55:42.100 And very expensive.

00:55:43.280 Portside seats.

00:55:44.220 And if you go, you go to play.

00:55:47.180 Like you got, like we see it in New York City at the Knicks games all the time.

00:55:50.540 Like Spike Lee is like practically like a fixture there, has been forever.

00:55:54.340 Even the most recalcitrant, cranky celebs who sit, like play.

00:55:58.160 Here she is next to Queen Latifah, FY.

00:56:00.160 Okay.

00:56:00.400 So do you think that was like, um, whoever does the seating for those games, effing with

00:56:04.960 her a little bit?

00:56:05.560 Like subversive?

00:56:06.260 Here's a queen.

00:56:07.200 The queen next to the duchess?

00:56:08.980 Here's queen touching Latifah.

00:56:10.080 She's higher than you.

00:56:10.960 She's higher than you and she's more well-liked than you.

00:56:14.120 And she had a hit show for a very long time.

00:56:17.480 And then the other thing I thought was interesting about that game was the Obamas were there.

00:56:21.460 God.

00:56:22.300 And it seemed to me like, oh, this, is this the night where like high profile couples

00:56:26.440 who have divorce rumblings swirling all around them go to show the world that like everything's

00:56:31.480 cool?

00:56:31.920 Yeah, it could have been.

00:56:33.060 I'm not buying it.

00:56:33.840 But it really is a joke.

00:56:34.700 Like, honestly, it's the old, the South Park.

00:56:37.160 We want privacy.

00:56:38.380 We want privacy.

00:56:40.600 Front row courtside.

00:56:42.280 You know, so like I can, I have, I go to Knicks games with my family.

00:56:46.100 I took my young guy, my 12 year old, just the two of us.

00:56:49.960 And it was super fun.

00:56:50.740 We went, it was like a mom-son date.

00:56:52.680 We didn't sit there.

00:56:53.880 I could have bought those tickets.

00:56:55.480 I could have made sure we got seen courtside.

00:56:57.840 I didn't do that because I was going to watch a basketball game with my child.

00:57:02.480 I wasn't going for a photo op, which clearly she was.

00:57:06.400 She doesn't care about basketball.

00:57:07.660 She wanted to be seen.

00:57:09.140 And she, this bitch is still, they're in court right now suing the Daily Mail in the UK about

00:57:15.060 like yet another piece of coverage that they thought was unfair to poor, mean, Harry and

00:57:18.800 Meghan, you know, like poor, mean Daily Mail going after these, these poor, you know, losers

00:57:22.880 who just want to be left alone.

00:57:24.680 Bullshit.

00:57:25.120 He was on the stand, by the way, in that courtroom crying, like weeping or trying to weep on the

00:57:33.540 stand about the misery that the media has caused his wife.

00:57:38.560 And the judge in the case had to remonstrate him several times and say, excuse me, sir, this is a courtroom.

00:57:45.740 It is not about your emotions.

00:57:47.480 It's not Oprah.

00:57:47.960 Pull yourself together and speak to the matter at hand.

00:57:51.720 That is it.

00:57:52.780 So you, it cannot be both, right?

00:57:54.800 No.

00:57:55.260 It cannot be both.

00:57:56.800 That, this is exactly right.

00:57:59.920 If you put yourself out into the public sphere as a public figure, you know, in any prominent

00:58:06.360 way, there's a number of ways that you can become a public figure and, and be out there.

00:58:10.760 You have to accept that this is part of the deal.

00:58:13.500 It's not nice.

00:58:14.540 It's not pleasant.

00:58:16.080 I mean, as I was, I was laughing, Abby and I were looking at this recently and I'm like,

00:58:20.280 in the past few years, I've been called a, a racist, um, a transphobe, a bigot, um, an

00:58:28.380 Islamophobe, um, a pro pedophile, uh, now it's anti-Semite.

00:58:33.120 Like it, none of this is pleasant.

00:58:35.700 None of it is true.

00:58:37.080 And you really do have to know who you are, you know, to be able to handle this.

00:58:40.860 And I think that's part of the problem with this woman.

00:58:43.500 She doesn't know who she is.

00:58:44.840 Exactly.

00:58:45.360 At all.

00:58:45.660 She's playing a role and she has been from the start, especially with Harry.

00:58:49.140 Exactly.

00:58:49.500 So she can't take the negative coverage, which is why they continue suing and suing and suing.

00:58:54.940 And even in that court proceeding, he was talking about how like my wife was treated abominably

00:58:59.600 by the British press corps.

00:59:01.060 Oh my God.

00:59:01.640 They made her an international star.

00:59:04.040 They loved her in the beginning.

00:59:05.960 You only started to get upset when she started to behave badly.

00:59:09.740 And they wrote about that too.

00:59:12.120 The thing about Megan, to your point about not knowing who she is.

00:59:16.560 So like all the things you were just describing are unpleasant, but I'm sure they don't land

00:59:23.280 with you.

00:59:23.900 I'm sure it's like Elizabeth Taylor once said about Joan Rivers, doesn't hit me where I

00:59:27.520 live.

00:59:28.160 Not who I am.

00:59:29.080 Yeah.

00:59:29.340 I know that.

00:59:29.920 I think her problem is she thought that this level of fame and a power marriage like this

00:59:37.300 would fill the hole, but nothing's going to fill that hole.

00:59:41.640 It's an unfilled, it's a black hole because it's a, it's a black hole of identity inside.

00:59:46.200 Mm-hmm, right.

00:59:47.680 And it, and interestingly in her case, it doesn't have to do, I don't think she has like man

00:59:53.420 issues.

00:59:54.200 She has self-esteem issues.

00:59:56.260 Like the women who have man issues have dads who were not around or who left their moms

01:00:01.380 or who serial cheaters on the moms, right?

01:00:04.480 And they don't know how to be treated.

01:00:06.020 They don't know how to like demand good treatment.

01:00:07.800 Usually I'm generalizing.

01:00:10.580 That's not her thing.

01:00:11.800 Her thing is I need to be built up into something I'm not.

01:00:16.660 Whatever I am is not good enough in her head.

01:00:19.860 This is how she feels.

01:00:21.220 And so she's got to land the prince and she's got to have the right cover of the right magazine.

01:00:27.400 She's got to be called Duchess even when she's the only one in the house, Maureen.

01:00:31.660 She's got to be courtside.

01:00:33.200 She's got to be as ever.

01:00:35.040 And with the beekeeper, right?

01:00:36.960 Like all of it has to be curated to perfection or we're all going to see behind the veil.

01:00:41.360 That she's just like the rest of us, imperfect as hell, but relatively fine.

01:00:46.040 Well, you know, there are parallels here with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who I think we're

01:00:49.180 going to get to.

01:00:49.960 But one of the things about Meghan also that is such a tell for me is that whenever she's

01:00:54.360 interacting with another person who's not really, it's not Harry, but it'll be somebody

01:01:00.880 else, whether it's a friend, an employee, a handler, whatever, she does this thing constantly

01:01:06.860 that is so off-putting and it's a power move.

01:01:09.640 She pets them.

01:01:10.500 I was picturing that in my mind while you were winding up.

01:01:13.700 She pets them.

01:01:14.580 She takes her hand.

01:01:15.660 She brings it over them.

01:01:16.680 And then it goes somewhere on like the back or the shoulder or the arm where the other

01:01:20.280 person can't even get to it to be like, get off, get off, you know?

01:01:22.960 Oh, she does it in this video, Canadian Debbie tells me.

01:01:25.520 Oh, she's got the sashay going.

01:01:26.980 Oh, here I am.

01:01:28.860 Okay, keep going.

01:01:29.920 And then she gets to the red carpet or the blue carpet, you'll see.

01:01:32.960 And this handler is attempting to arrange this completely unruly, dated, old person's train.

01:01:41.600 This gown is so dated.

01:01:43.580 Yeah.

01:01:43.860 Like she can't even, like no decent stylist will work with her.

01:01:47.080 You can tell.

01:01:47.700 Right.

01:01:47.940 They don't want anything to do with this.

01:01:48.680 This thing looks like an 80s prom dress to me.

01:01:50.380 It does, actually.

01:01:50.900 And look at her like flaunting the, look at all of my train.

01:01:53.940 This wasn't even her night.

01:01:55.280 This is Tina Knowles' night.

01:01:56.700 This is Beyonce's mother's night.

01:01:58.320 This is apparently also another gala she invited herself to.

01:02:01.020 Oh, God.

01:02:01.360 She wasn't on the list.

01:02:02.240 She wasn't on the program.

01:02:03.920 She wasn't among the honorees or the distinguished guests.

01:02:06.560 This is what I object to.

01:02:07.700 I object to obvious attempts to be fabulous.

01:02:11.240 It's one thing to be fabulous, right?

01:02:13.120 It really is.

01:02:14.340 Yes.

01:02:14.780 And you just are.

01:02:15.820 Yes.

01:02:16.020 And it's quite another one.

01:02:16.980 I can see you're trying.

01:02:18.460 Yes.

01:02:18.640 It's a turnoff.

01:02:19.380 Not for nothing, but back to that sheriff out in the Tucson, Nancy, Benet Ramsey case.

01:02:24.420 I'm sorry.

01:02:24.760 It's just so funny.

01:02:25.440 I love that.

01:02:26.160 It's like, sorry, forgive me.

01:02:27.860 We have to laugh where we can.

01:02:30.780 Melissa Francis, you know, she's a friend of mine from Fox News and she's, she was, she's

01:02:35.340 formerly a big child star.

01:02:37.020 She was on Little House on the Prairie.

01:02:38.740 Really?

01:02:38.920 She and Jason Bateman played the Ingalls' second round of children when the originals grew up.

01:02:44.240 Oh.

01:02:44.860 And she was Little Cassandra Ingalls.

01:02:47.300 Okay.

01:02:48.240 And Jason Bateman was her brother.

01:02:50.080 And she could cry on a dime like nobody's business.

01:02:54.760 Actual tears.

01:02:55.920 Hold on a second.

01:02:56.620 I got to pull this off.

01:02:57.420 I don't think Melissa would care if I read this, but we were texting about it this morning

01:03:00.820 about that.

01:03:01.180 She had watched the sheriff's segment and she, she liked it.

01:03:03.840 And she was saying, she said, love the comments on the crying investigator.

01:03:07.700 Take it from a world champion.

01:03:09.860 What did I tell my son?

01:03:11.140 And her, her son tried to like pretend cry over not getting something when he was young.

01:03:15.420 And she was like, I expect more than this.

01:03:17.660 She says, there's no water on your face.

01:03:20.680 I'm not, but it's very hard to believe you when there's no water.

01:03:23.980 She says, it's very hard to truly cry without water.

01:03:26.820 This is why they paid me so much.

01:03:28.980 She said, this is why my daughter's going to be a star.

01:03:31.940 She's like, she goes, do you make crying face and crying voice?

01:03:36.040 That's easy, but does water fall out of your eyes onto your cheeks?

01:03:40.260 That is the test of truth.

01:03:42.360 And she says, I have not seen liquid with that man.

01:03:44.920 Love the number one expert.

01:03:46.600 She's so funny.

01:03:47.860 But she's right.

01:03:48.880 She's absolutely right.

01:03:50.160 And what I have read is the acting trick to being a convincing crier is that when people

01:03:57.960 are about to cry almost every moment, like you're trying not to, especially if you're

01:04:03.440 in public, like you can see the face, try to suppress everything and push it back.

01:04:08.300 And actually the act of doing that kind of makes you cry more because you're beginning

01:04:12.320 to feel bad for yourself now.

01:04:13.400 Facts.

01:04:13.880 Oh, and God forbid somebody feel bad for you in that moment.

01:04:16.200 You're gone.

01:04:16.400 Oh, a hundred percent.

01:04:16.900 It's the last thing you want.

01:04:17.640 You're done.

01:04:18.180 The last thing you want.

01:04:19.100 So yeah, he's the worst.

01:04:20.800 She's the worst.

01:04:22.260 I have a, I have a tell before I cry.

01:04:24.140 Oh, what is it?

01:04:25.400 I've had it since I was, my whole life.

01:04:28.060 I get this involuntary, huge frown.

01:04:31.340 Oh yeah.

01:04:31.840 The sides of my mouth go like down far.

01:04:35.520 Same.

01:04:36.160 I mean, you can't really Botox this region.

01:04:38.940 So it's, you can see everything.

01:04:41.340 It goes down, it goes down hard, Maureen.

01:04:43.800 It makes us human.

01:04:45.280 We want to stay human.

01:04:46.480 We don't want to have like the frozen visage.

01:04:48.640 I really genuinely do not.

01:04:50.180 But in any event, yeah, some of us have that tell.

01:04:53.680 It's funny.

01:04:54.260 Do you ever watch Modern Family?

01:04:56.200 No, I know it's great.

01:04:57.400 I love Modern Family.

01:04:58.120 I need to get to that.

01:04:58.780 My whole family loves it.

01:04:59.500 But Claire Dunphy, she's got, she's got one of those tales where whenever she talks about

01:05:05.120 somebody dying, she, she bursts out into like a weird smile.

01:05:09.800 I love it.

01:05:10.640 I can relate to that too.

01:05:13.000 Sometimes when I'm talking about very dark news, like I'll have a compunction to smile

01:05:18.920 or even like laugh, it must be in the brain located right next to cry or like emote, you

01:05:27.680 know, and so, and like the signal gets crossed.

01:05:29.980 My very first wake was, I was young.

01:05:33.040 I was maybe eight years old.

01:05:34.480 I was too young to be at a wake, but that's the Irish for you.

01:05:37.540 Yeah.

01:05:37.920 And you know, we love an open casket.

01:05:39.460 We love it.

01:05:40.120 And so it was my first time seeing a dead body and experiencing like this very, to a

01:05:46.000 small child, it's a very strange ritual.

01:05:47.840 Yeah.

01:05:48.400 And I remember having a laughing fit at the wake, like, and I couldn't stop it.

01:05:52.900 And I, I felt terrible and I knew it was wrong, but it was like this involuntary physiological

01:05:57.660 reaction.

01:05:58.460 And when we got back, like, I remember my parents just defending me and I love them

01:06:03.400 for it.

01:06:03.780 And they were like, she's a child and this is a lot.

01:06:06.160 And death is, is, is an enormous concept for a small child.

01:06:10.220 Of course she had this weird reaction, you know, not everybody's going to cry and do

01:06:14.260 everything on cue.

01:06:15.100 I actually remember what caused the, the, uh, the laughing fit.

01:06:18.800 It was because we had these distinct cousins who were, um, not very attractive, who upon seeing

01:06:26.420 my very handsome, uh, teenage male relatives come in, made a beeline for them.

01:06:31.400 Like it was a single spar.

01:06:33.260 That's what made me laugh.

01:06:34.720 I was like, we're out of way.

01:06:36.000 You were the same, even at eight years old, you were onto them.

01:06:41.660 All right.

01:06:42.080 Now, speaking of eight year old girls, let's talk about Prince Andrew.

01:06:44.960 Oh God.

01:06:45.740 Sorry.

01:06:46.180 Sorry.

01:06:46.880 It's a transition.

01:06:48.360 Um, he, that, that whole thing yesterday with him getting arrested is crazy.

01:06:53.780 It is.

01:06:54.020 Did you see the picture of him when he got out of the pokey yesterday?

01:06:59.660 I could not believe it's, it was real.

01:07:02.500 Same.

01:07:03.240 Holy shit.

01:07:04.200 He looks there.

01:07:05.340 We're putting it on terrified.

01:07:08.160 That looks like something like he posed for in order to make himself look like it's worth,

01:07:13.620 but he didn't.

01:07:14.340 They just captured that in the moment.

01:07:16.200 That guy doesn't know what hit him.

01:07:18.880 The headline is now he's sweating because among other lies, he told that BBC interview,

01:07:24.360 er, seven years ago was that he, Virginia Dufresne, his accuser said that she was sweating all

01:07:28.960 over the place and he said, I can't sweat.

01:07:30.620 I, I, I remember.

01:07:31.560 Actually, we have that.

01:07:32.540 Let's watch that.

01:07:33.240 Let's, let's, let's watch him talk about how he can't sweat.

01:07:35.460 This is, uh, in 2019 to the BBC, South 11.

01:07:38.080 She was very specific about that night.

01:07:40.160 And she described dancing with you and you profusely sweating and that she went on to

01:07:46.960 have bath, possibly.

01:07:49.040 There's a slight problem with, with, with, with, with the sweating, um, because, uh, I have

01:07:56.480 a peculiar medical condition, which is that I don't sweat, um, or I didn't sweat at the

01:08:02.360 time.

01:08:02.940 And that was, oh, actually, yes, I didn't sweat at the time because I, um, had suffered what

01:08:10.700 I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands war when I was shot at.

01:08:15.820 Uh, and I simply, it, it was, it was, it was almost impossible for me to, to, to sweat.

01:08:21.540 And it's only because I have done a number of things in the recent past that I'm starting

01:08:27.280 to be able to do that again.

01:08:29.480 So I'm afraid to say that, that, that, that there's a medical condition that says that

01:08:32.780 I didn't do it.

01:08:33.320 Oh my God, Maureen, you forget how bad that was.

01:08:37.520 It was so bad.

01:08:38.340 They made a movie out of it.

01:08:40.400 They did.

01:08:41.220 I think it's on Netflix.

01:08:42.920 It was so bad.

01:08:44.920 The answer is I've never met her.

01:08:48.160 I certainly didn't have sex with her.

01:08:50.260 She gray, gray.

01:08:51.580 It's not, I have a condition based on my adrenaline.

01:08:56.140 The Falklands war.

01:08:57.340 Have you ever heard of such a thing?

01:08:58.900 You've interviewed your fair share of combat veterans.

01:09:01.700 You lose the ability to sweat.

01:09:03.760 No, I know the free solo guy lost adrenaline and now he has to go free soloing in order

01:09:08.820 to feel excitement.

01:09:09.980 I don't think that's what he was saying.

01:09:11.780 From the sound of it, Prince Andrew feels excitement just fine.

01:09:14.580 From the sound of it.

01:09:15.580 And then at the end of yesterday, there were even more disturbing photos that broke.

01:09:20.000 We had them on the Daily Mail.

01:09:21.260 From the, from the Epstein files.

01:09:22.680 And this is now, this is how, you know, it's really bad because we can look at an image

01:09:26.100 of Andrew seated on a sofa next to a toddler and our minds go to the absolute worst place.

01:09:30.800 That's sick.

01:09:31.420 They go to the absolute worst place.

01:09:33.000 And I, I don't think King Charles is going to survive this.

01:09:36.360 I don't.

01:09:36.800 That's what Dan Wooden said.

01:09:38.080 That's what Piers Morgan said.

01:09:39.780 Like, I trust those guys.

01:09:41.420 They, they not only are, you know, a very famous British journalist.

01:09:45.060 Well, Dan's an Aussie, but he's been living in Great Britain.

01:09:47.380 Um, but they, they covered the rules.

01:09:50.680 That was their beat for many years.

01:09:52.560 Like they have very good sources inside and neither one thinks that King Charles is going

01:09:56.160 to survive this.

01:09:57.220 Holy cow.

01:09:58.280 I think he'll be gone within six months.

01:10:01.360 I think that the official line will be, it's due to his health.

01:10:05.080 He'll use that.

01:10:06.200 Yep.

01:10:07.100 And, um, William will ascend to the throne, which is what the British people want.

01:10:12.800 Yeah.

01:10:12.980 Frankly, what every sane person wants.

01:10:14.700 Yes.

01:10:15.040 And, uh, he will begin to clean house and save the monarchy because without, if King,

01:10:21.100 if the King does not abdicate, I think the monarchy is in existential danger of, of, of

01:10:26.000 going away forever.

01:10:26.860 Because Dan was pointing out that King, King Charles, when he was Prince Charles, his fingerprints

01:10:30.520 were all over that Epstein settlement that this, that the Queen signed off on to make Virginia

01:10:34.700 Jufre go away.

01:10:35.960 Though I have to say this, I actually believe, like, I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked

01:10:41.120 Virginia Jufre.

01:10:42.180 I do believe that.

01:10:43.220 And I do think he trafficked her to Andrew.

01:10:47.720 I actually do believe her allegations against him.

01:10:50.040 He's just been too much of a liar.

01:10:51.700 Like, and it's so obvious.

01:10:52.600 And the picture, he lied that the picture was fake and the picture turned out to be real.

01:10:56.340 He was with her clearly when she was underage.

01:10:58.640 She was 17 in that picture.

01:11:00.020 Now in the Epstein documents, you see an email from a New York Times reporter saying to Jeffrey,

01:11:03.740 who was worried about his own reputation because of his association with Andrew, saying,

01:11:08.660 you don't have anything to worry about.

01:11:09.800 Like, you know, you weren't there.

01:11:11.380 Look, they had consensual sex.

01:11:12.880 You should distance yourself from it.

01:11:14.920 And Andrew didn't write back like, no, they didn't have sex.

01:11:17.260 That's not true.

01:11:17.980 Right.

01:11:18.680 Sorry, Jeffrey.

01:11:19.460 Jeffrey didn't write back saying that.

01:11:21.260 So, but having said all that, Virginia Jufre is like an enormous liar.

01:11:26.260 God rest her.

01:11:27.560 She lied about so many things.

01:11:30.000 I went back and did a deep, deep dive on this when she accused Dershowitz and she wound up

01:11:34.640 getting rid of that case by saying she may have misremembered in her accusation against

01:11:39.180 him.

01:11:39.460 Meanwhile, Alan was like, look at every date book.

01:11:42.520 Right.

01:11:42.780 Look at every record I ever had.

01:11:44.260 That's what a truth teller sounds like.

01:11:45.660 And he sued everybody for defamation.

01:11:47.520 Like it's on you fuckers.

01:11:49.400 And there's, I am not that person.

01:11:51.320 And I didn't do the thing.

01:11:52.300 And I only ever had sex with my wife.

01:11:53.780 Like he said, what a truth teller, as, as Phil Houston says in spy, the lie truth tellers

01:11:59.940 run toward the truth.

01:12:00.900 Yes.

01:12:01.060 They're not afraid to say like, I've had sex with this number of people.

01:12:03.880 It was in college.

01:12:05.100 And then when I got married and nobody ever, ever after they, they'll like, I'll go right

01:12:08.820 to the details.

01:12:09.620 Yeah.

01:12:09.860 I'll give it all to you.

01:12:11.060 Yeah.

01:12:11.420 Anyway.

01:12:11.880 So it's just hard because I don't know what he's being brought down for allegedly for passing

01:12:17.380 on documents.

01:12:18.200 We'll see.

01:12:18.660 Or is it really because they couldn't quite nail him down on the sex trafficking stuff?

01:12:23.020 Well, you know, I find that the, the, the formal charge is the first one.

01:12:27.060 And, you know, they rated, I believe three of, of palaces and residences that he, uh,

01:12:32.880 has been in and that Fergie has been in the Virginia Jufres stuff.

01:12:37.760 I struggle with because the girls and women that wind up getting trafficked and brought

01:12:43.000 into this world are already extremely damaged.

01:12:45.660 That's the reason they're chosen with drugs and alcohol and all manner of torture.

01:12:49.800 And, you know, memory is a fungible fallible thing, you know?

01:12:53.820 And the, I, I would, I would put her testimony about Andrew well above anything Andrew tried

01:13:01.660 to claim did or did not happen.

01:13:03.880 We covered, um, so I was doing a bunch of research about this yesterday and there was

01:13:08.940 an FBI file from 2020 that's in this Andrew dump that claims, and this is very, very, very

01:13:15.520 dark stuff that, um, Andrew witnessed the torture of a young girl age six to eight who, um, was

01:13:25.180 strapped to a table and, uh, tortured with electrical shocks.

01:13:29.260 And that Ghislaine Maxwell was the one who administered them.

01:13:32.300 Then there was a second.

01:13:33.720 Is that that FBI thing that like anybody could say anything that they released?

01:13:37.220 It was like all unsubstantiated.

01:13:39.480 No, this one had locations.

01:13:41.620 This one said, uh, there was one.

01:13:43.300 There's no way that's true.

01:13:44.760 You don't believe that?

01:13:45.600 No, I don't.

01:13:47.000 I, I, I am open to believing it and I'll tell you why.

01:13:50.940 These people, someone like Andrew, who is just an aimless, shiftless layabout, who's

01:13:57.420 a beta royal, who has nothing to do, who can get any, any sort of pleasure he wants.

01:14:03.460 At a certain point, your dopamine receptors, it doesn't matter.

01:14:07.740 You know, he could have sex with eight women at once.

01:14:09.700 It doesn't matter.

01:14:10.460 Yeah.

01:14:10.780 You need to raise that up.

01:14:11.340 That's true.

01:14:11.560 That's what happens to people who get addicted to porn.

01:14:13.380 Well, that's what, that, that was always my first question when, before I really began

01:14:17.180 to get into this kind of research about Harvey Weinstein.

01:14:20.480 Well, Harvey Weinstein had an enormous amount of power.

01:14:22.980 Why rape?

01:14:23.920 Right?

01:14:24.300 Yeah.

01:14:24.560 Just use the casting couch.

01:14:25.640 It's transactional.

01:14:26.540 It's been done forever.

01:14:27.660 And it was a male friend of mine who said to me at a certain point, your dopamine receptors,

01:14:32.240 great guy, not like this, the dopamine receptors, it just doesn't matter anymore.

01:14:36.420 You need to up the ante.

01:14:37.940 You need, you need, it has to be about power and control.

01:14:40.320 I think that's a factor with Harvey, but the other factor is something happened to him

01:14:45.760 when he was young that made him need to feel dirty.

01:14:51.300 Andrew, you mean?

01:14:52.360 Yeah.

01:14:52.680 Harvey Weinstein.

01:14:53.760 Oh, Harvey.

01:14:54.440 In the middle of the act.

01:14:55.460 That's why I, Lauren Savon, who worked with me at Fox, who came on my NBC show and was the

01:15:01.720 very first person to go on the record about Harvey, like on television, telling the story.

01:15:06.560 She told the story about how they were at Cipriani in New York.

01:15:12.180 Cipriani?

01:15:12.620 Yeah.

01:15:12.960 Yeah.

01:15:14.760 And she didn't know him.

01:15:17.440 And she met him, you know, was there this before he was exposed and all that, so to speak.

01:15:21.540 She got up to go to the bathroom.

01:15:22.860 He followed her into this corridor leading to the ladies room.

01:15:26.500 And he starts, he's like, hey, Lauren, she kind of turns around and he starts talking

01:15:29.640 to her and he whips it out and starts playing with himself.

01:15:32.740 And she froze.

01:15:34.160 Yeah.

01:15:34.380 She totally froze.

01:15:35.080 She's like, what the hell is happening?

01:15:37.380 Like, and he jerked off into a potted plant right there in the hallway.

01:15:41.080 And I talked to a psychiatrist about this on the show, you know, at the time, like, who

01:15:45.100 does that?

01:15:46.220 And she said, it's the dirtiness of it.

01:15:50.220 Like, he needs to feel like he's a disgusting pervert in order to get off.

01:15:55.460 We took a turn there, but yeah.

01:15:57.580 No, I'm just, I'm absorbing it all because the other thing that I remember, the potted

01:16:02.020 plant was a character in that trial.

01:16:05.060 Like, they could have had the potted plant testify, you know what I mean?

01:16:08.220 And we all felt sorry for it.

01:16:10.100 I know.

01:16:10.740 Why did the plant have to get it?

01:16:12.300 Like, Harvey's dirty expectations out of there.

01:16:16.880 But the other thing about Harvey that so many of the women testified to, and which was a

01:16:22.640 puzzle piece for me, is that apparently his genitalia is very small and malformed.

01:16:27.400 Oh, God.

01:16:28.600 And so, you know, do you think like a beautiful woman, like a Georgina Chapman, is really in

01:16:35.380 that for the love of Harvey Weinstein?

01:16:37.660 I'm truly like one of the most beautiful people roaming the earth.

01:16:40.600 No.

01:16:41.120 Yeah.

01:16:41.340 No.

01:16:41.800 So he knows that already.

01:16:43.780 Like, he knows this person is, you know.

01:16:45.800 Well, speaking of her, I started the show, we did a deep dive on Epstein on, was it Tuesday

01:16:49.780 or Wednesday?

01:16:50.340 I think Wednesday.

01:16:51.360 And I said, look, you got to distinguish between a gold digger and a sex trafficking

01:16:57.000 victim.

01:16:57.580 And the difference is fraud, force, or coercion.

01:17:03.500 That exists in a sex trafficking case and not in a gold digging case.

01:17:07.540 Georgina Chapman, in my view, is a gold digger.

01:17:09.620 Like, there's zero reason for somebody like that.

01:17:12.180 I don't believe she was attracted to Harvey Weinstein.

01:17:14.520 I don't believe they just fell in love.

01:17:16.860 She married him because he was this huge, powerful guy with tons of money who could create opportunities

01:17:21.100 for her, which he did.

01:17:22.040 And because he could give her a certain lifestyle.

01:17:24.440 There are a lot of women who do that.

01:17:25.700 It's not sex trafficking.

01:17:27.220 No.

01:17:27.360 And in the Epstein case, each person has to be evaluated.

01:17:31.360 We're never going to get this chance because he's dead.

01:17:33.540 But like, there could be gold diggers in this massive field of alleged victims who were like,

01:17:39.040 they fully knew what they were getting themselves into and just wanted the access.

01:17:41.960 It was like the calling card.

01:17:43.040 I got to give it up to a couple of random stranger friends of Jeffrey's.

01:17:46.540 And in exchange for that, he's going to introduce me to some powerful people who might

01:17:50.120 marry me or might give me a modeling job.

01:17:52.080 And then there's the other younger damage set who were made promises by Jeffrey of like,

01:17:57.940 you're going to have this, you're going to have the other thing.

01:17:59.740 And possibly threatened by Jeffrey if they didn't go through with it in an ongoing way

01:18:04.320 once they got here.

01:18:05.220 Now you're talking possible fraud, force, or coercion, sex trafficking.

01:18:10.180 Yes.

01:18:10.440 And I think in the middle of that Venn diagram is someone like Cassie from the Dini trial.

01:18:16.820 Yep.

01:18:17.300 Yep.

01:18:17.480 Who you could say was both.

01:18:19.540 Yes.

01:18:20.220 Right?

01:18:20.540 But at the end of the day, for me, the scales of justice, I look at the video of Sean Combs

01:18:26.040 beating the shit out of her and she's a victim.

01:18:28.440 I know.

01:18:29.080 That's why it was so amazing that jury didn't think fraud, force, or coercion was present

01:18:32.540 in that case.

01:18:33.180 It's literally on tape.

01:18:35.020 Like you don't actually even have to believe.

01:18:36.440 Dragging her by the hair.

01:18:37.420 Yeah.

01:18:37.920 Back into that hotel room.

01:18:39.360 Third party's testifying that he beat the shit out of her in the back room to make her

01:18:42.700 go out there and continue the freak off.

01:18:44.640 But because she had said once she consented earlier in the relationship or even at the beginning

01:18:50.520 of the session, consent can be withdrawn.

01:18:52.940 Absolutely.

01:18:53.820 They saw her in the gold digger category and that's why he wasn't convicted of sex trafficking.

01:18:58.580 Well, I don't like Andrew's chances right now.

01:19:01.380 I think the British public can't stand him.

01:19:05.160 And here's the other thing.

01:19:07.020 Back on weather, because he's, you know, it's like the, everybody said it's more like the

01:19:09.800 Al Capone thing.

01:19:10.460 They're getting him on the taxes, not on the actual other crimes alleged.

01:19:14.000 Why would King Charles have offered him up on a silver platter?

01:19:17.720 Which he clearly did making that statement, like in stripping him of his prince title,

01:19:22.060 you know.

01:19:22.580 Right, right.

01:19:23.560 Was it earlier this year?

01:19:25.200 Which was basically saying, have at him.

01:19:27.680 I'm not going to protect him.

01:19:28.920 If you want to get him, you can get him.

01:19:31.040 He knows.

01:19:31.800 He knows there's more.

01:19:32.740 Whatever bodies are buried, he knows.

01:19:35.140 He knows.

01:19:35.860 And so do many of the current and former staff at Buckingham Palace.

01:19:40.040 Who let Ghislaine Maxwell, I can't believe I have to freaking think about how to pronounce

01:19:46.500 her name correctly.

01:19:47.360 She's such a piece of shit.

01:19:49.160 Ghislaine Maxwell and Kevin Spacey into Buckingham Palace to sit on literal thrones and photograph

01:19:55.080 it like a lot.

01:19:56.260 I was saying this the other day.

01:19:57.340 It makes me think of the JFK White House and all of the Secret Service who were disgusted,

01:20:02.280 but they had to do it because it was their job, bringing all these women and girls in

01:20:06.660 and out and in and out.

01:20:07.960 It's a huge apparatus.

01:20:10.320 And Charles knows that the monarchy itself is at a level of threat it's never faced before.

01:20:17.140 Because if they start really digging, and so that's the real question I have, how far

01:20:22.560 does law enforcement really dig, right?

01:20:25.360 Do they go to a certain point and make a deal and let Andrew get away with a certain amount

01:20:30.440 of time?

01:20:31.200 Dan was saying they don't really do deals over there.

01:20:33.720 Really?

01:20:34.200 Yeah.

01:20:34.860 Dan was saying it's the general practice is like you're convicted or you're not.

01:20:40.100 Wow.

01:20:40.600 Yeah.

01:20:40.980 Like you could plead guilty at the beginning, but like he said, it's not really like our

01:20:45.000 justicism.

01:20:45.560 I've never looked into it as a solicitor or a barrister, but we'll have to see whether

01:20:50.040 that's a real option for him, like a possible deal.

01:20:52.360 But it doesn't look good for Andrew.

01:20:53.780 I guarantee you Charles was told something earlier on this year about what's in his files or what's

01:20:59.980 going to come out or possibly like dark practices that he may have engaged in this speculation

01:21:04.900 and said, we're cutting him loose because nothing had really changed at that point.

01:21:09.960 I don't know.

01:21:10.420 Like all the juicy Epstein stuff is coming out right now.

01:21:13.640 I think that your theory is probably correct.

01:21:16.800 But what frustrates me is if only we had a King William at that point who would have

01:21:23.480 just kicked him all the way out, all the way out.

01:21:27.320 He's still living on like the royal properties.

01:21:28.680 Royal residences, which makes me think, you know, Charles is worried too that Andrew's going

01:21:34.280 to say, well, guess what?

01:21:35.060 You know, my brother paid a million dollars to the Geoffrey settlement fund.

01:21:38.780 Yes.

01:21:39.200 You know, so he knows stuff.

01:21:40.620 Yes.

01:21:41.000 He's not some innocent.

01:21:42.400 That's right.

01:21:43.200 They are going to say that and he did.

01:21:44.780 Dan was talking about that yesterday.

01:21:46.180 All right, let's keep going because you mentioned Kennedy, which brings me to love story.

01:21:51.540 It's on FX and Hulu right now.

01:21:54.300 I just started watching the first episode.

01:21:56.900 What did you think?

01:21:57.880 Well, I've got some problems.

01:22:01.020 I know you've got a lot of problems with this, but the guy playing JFK Jr. is so far annoying me.

01:22:07.360 I don't think he's attractive enough, even though he's a male model.

01:22:10.500 I think JFK Jr. is actually significantly better looking than this guy.

01:22:13.640 So I think they, if you're just going to go for the pure model, you should go, you should

01:22:16.520 step it up one notch more.

01:22:18.700 The gal, last name Pigeon, I think the same about her.

01:22:22.900 She's a beautiful woman, but Carolyn Bissette had a very distinctive look.

01:22:26.420 Yes.

01:22:26.860 I don't think they've got it.

01:22:27.880 Yes.

01:22:29.840 That's all I've seen so far.

01:22:31.320 I'm only like half an hour into the first episode.

01:22:33.620 Okay.

01:22:33.840 But you literally wrote the book on the Kennedys.

01:22:38.260 It's called Ask Not.

01:22:39.520 If you really want to know what happened in the Kennedy family, read Maureen's book.

01:22:42.800 Let me show a scene.

01:22:45.120 Oh, okay.

01:22:46.140 This is actually, this is not a bad one.

01:22:48.360 This is JFK Jr. in the gym.

01:22:49.840 I did watch this with his cousin, Anthony Radswell.

01:22:52.780 How do you pronounce that?

01:22:53.820 Radswell.

01:22:54.300 Yeah.

01:22:54.500 Okay.

01:22:55.520 We have a chair of theirs in our house.

01:22:58.220 You have to show it to me.

01:22:59.120 I will.

01:22:59.560 His mother.

01:23:01.400 How are they related?

01:23:02.260 Is Jackie O's sister?

01:23:03.860 Yeah.

01:23:04.340 Lee Radswell was Jackie's sister.

01:23:05.540 We have Lee Radswell's chair.

01:23:06.900 Get out.

01:23:07.360 I'm fancy, Maureen.

01:23:09.140 Oh.

01:23:09.680 Yeah.

01:23:10.740 That and a nickel will get you a gumball.

01:23:12.560 Here's JFK Jr., the fake JFK Jr., at the gym with his cousin, Anthony.

01:23:16.660 Stop 31.

01:23:17.840 So what if he flubbed the bar exam twice?

01:23:21.000 Twice as in parentheticals.

01:23:22.440 America's uncrowned prince is facing 30 with a steady girlfriend, fabulous looks, even a

01:23:28.540 movie role.

01:23:29.360 But now it's time to hit those law books.

01:23:34.040 If it makes you feel any better, anyone who knows you knows that you don't have a steady

01:23:37.940 girlfriend.

01:23:38.980 Fuck off.

01:23:40.360 I can't show my face around the city with these headlines everywhere.

01:23:43.100 I just show your dick to everyone at the gym.

01:23:44.940 Apparently this is all I'm good for.

01:23:46.680 Well, as your cousin, obviously, I disagree.

01:23:50.060 Also, I'm an actual prince with a title and everything.

01:23:53.820 What is this obsession with anointing you?

01:23:57.560 Okay.

01:23:58.120 Your thoughts on it?

01:23:59.540 I have several problems with that scene.

01:24:01.940 The first is I hate clunky expository dialogue.

01:24:05.760 I love the way your mind works.

01:24:07.600 As your cousin, I disagree.

01:24:09.100 Like, you have to communicate to the audience that these two are cousins in a much more artful

01:24:13.660 manner.

01:24:14.220 Same with, well, I'm an actual prince.

01:24:15.980 Like, you've got to be more sophisticated about it.

01:24:19.400 That's a fair point.

01:24:19.960 He is also, you know, he's the guy with cancer that Carol Radziwill married to get close to

01:24:26.300 JFK, in my opinion, get close to JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bissette, who I believe she was

01:24:30.700 really in love with.

01:24:31.340 I think Carol was really in love with Carolyn Bissette.

01:24:33.800 But that's another conversation.

01:24:35.600 Okay, wow.

01:24:35.980 Okay.

01:24:36.560 Secondly, if they wanted to go with real verisimilitude, JFK Jr. used to walk around the gym fully

01:24:44.480 naked, playing with his genitalia.

01:24:48.160 It's a theme, right?

01:24:49.620 Oh, it's a theme.

01:24:50.360 Harvey potted plants.

01:24:51.040 Yeah.

01:24:51.480 Like, picking around down there, inspecting.

01:24:54.240 So he was, like, teasing all the men at the gym.

01:24:56.860 Needing attention?

01:24:57.620 Needing, like, needed attention like no other.

01:25:00.000 And so-

01:25:00.300 He was a little markley.

01:25:00.920 He, but I think Carolyn was the markle.

01:25:05.140 I think that JFK Jr., you know, he chose to live in New York City, and he spent every

01:25:12.800 free moment running around shirtless.

01:25:14.480 Yes.

01:25:14.800 He loved the media attention.

01:25:16.700 Yes.

01:25:16.920 He loved it.

01:25:17.660 It was what he did best.

01:25:19.760 He wasn't a brainiac.

01:25:21.500 No.

01:25:21.660 He wasn't a lawyer.

01:25:22.840 He wasn't a publishing magnate.

01:25:24.760 He was a hot guy looking for a good time.

01:25:26.900 With a great name.

01:25:27.520 With a great name, and he looked like a movie star, and I agree with you completely.

01:25:31.820 The thing about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette, the real things, they had that factor.

01:25:37.860 Like, you cannot manufacture it.

01:25:39.640 Yeah.

01:25:40.060 You know, and, like, you can put as many hair extensions in Sarah Pidgeon as you want.

01:25:43.420 Yep.

01:25:43.720 And lighter as much as you want.

01:25:46.120 Because the real people were so unstable, so damaged, so messy, so obsessed with presenting

01:25:55.260 themselves physically perfect.

01:25:56.520 Perfect, I think, to cover up all that mess inside.

01:26:00.200 Yep.

01:26:00.440 So that's where the focus would go, right?

01:26:02.660 And there was something very compelling.

01:26:05.940 Maybe it was the damage.

01:26:07.340 You looked at JFK Jr.

01:26:09.420 It wasn't just his look.

01:26:11.260 I mean, he was a very handsome guy, but there was something going on there.

01:26:15.240 Like, there was a lot he was working out.

01:26:16.880 Maybe it was his death wish, as you document and ask not.

01:26:19.000 But, like, there was something fascinating about him.

01:26:22.460 As you looked at him, as you listened to him talk, maybe it's just that he was the, you

01:26:25.480 know, son of-

01:26:27.060 It had a lot to do with-

01:26:27.840 American royalty.

01:26:28.660 Yeah.

01:26:29.420 This model, he's an attractive man by any measure.

01:26:32.100 But, like, he doesn't have the it factor.

01:26:35.400 And I think if you're going to play JFK Jr., you have to have the it factor.

01:26:38.860 And same for Carolyn Kennedy.

01:26:40.340 However damaged she was, maybe that's part of it.

01:26:42.420 But she's also missing the it factor.

01:26:44.500 They're not, you're not like, as you see him on stage, you know, which you should be.

01:26:48.100 You should be watching them like, oh, my God.

01:26:49.980 Even if they're not as attractive, and they don't, they're not exact replicas.

01:26:53.980 Right.

01:26:54.320 But, like, if they've got the thing-

01:26:56.000 Yes.

01:26:56.520 It would have worked better.

01:26:57.360 You know those people who walk into a room and you feel the energy shift.

01:27:01.020 Like, the energy goes to, like, everybody knows somebody of import or whatever has entered

01:27:06.180 the room.

01:27:07.340 The one thing I will say about this guy's characterization, which I am enjoying, is I think, A, he's gotten

01:27:12.380 JFK Jr.'s voice down.

01:27:14.020 And I think that was a really hard voice to get down because there was no personality in it.

01:27:18.060 Like, it had just been scrubbed of any real, like, affect or weirdness or idiosyncrasy.

01:27:24.260 And it kind of had all these rounded vowels.

01:27:26.580 And I also, I don't know whether he's been directed this way.

01:27:30.900 I know Sarah Pidgeon had a movement coach to play Carolyn Bessette.

01:27:33.840 So, I'm guessing he had a movement coach to play JFK Jr., who was all about his physicality.

01:27:39.140 But he's kind of playing him like this big, dumb puppy.

01:27:42.120 Like, he's always, like, taking his, this is true.

01:27:43.860 This is what JFK Jr. would do.

01:27:45.120 He, like, never understood why his bicycles were always getting stolen.

01:27:48.060 Because he never fucking locked them up.

01:27:49.980 On the streets of New York City.

01:27:51.840 He just thought, well, it's my bike.

01:27:53.160 Nobody's going to steal my, I'm JFK Jr.

01:27:54.560 It's going to happen.

01:27:55.540 So, I know they call it Love Story.

01:27:59.460 Is that the right title for this thing?

01:28:02.440 In Ryan Murphy's world, sure.

01:28:04.660 Ryan Murphy is a dark, in my opinion, I think he's a dark, dark guy.

01:28:08.600 I don't know if you noticed the title sequence.

01:28:11.220 Did you look at that at all?

01:28:12.480 It's those hands.

01:28:13.880 Oh, yeah.

01:28:14.420 Yeah.

01:28:15.020 Yeah, like the Da Vinci hands.

01:28:18.500 Yeah.

01:28:19.600 Yeah, there it is.

01:28:20.660 Okay, so look at the way they're moving together, right?

01:28:23.120 They look like ghostly apparitions.

01:28:25.720 And they're moving so slowly, it looks to me like they're moving in water.

01:28:30.320 And they're coming together.

01:28:31.460 Oh, that's creepy.

01:28:32.220 It's very creepy.

01:28:33.960 And I just, I think that speaks to this.

01:28:38.520 First of all, there's a darkness in the culture that is like that right there to me is emblematic

01:28:43.020 of it.

01:28:43.420 There is this fascination with an elevation of like death and like the more macabre, the

01:28:49.520 better.

01:28:50.220 Because those people met violent ends.

01:28:52.800 And I don't understand how it is.

01:28:56.180 Like Ryan Murphy is telling a version of this story that is soapy and glossy.

01:29:01.100 And as someone who lived, you know, as a young person in downtown New York in the 90s, they're

01:29:07.020 getting a lot of it right.

01:29:08.240 That vibe, that feel, like that last pre-internet moment.

01:29:11.820 You know, it was really-

01:29:12.820 I was there too.

01:29:13.160 I suddenly feel cooler than I normally do.

01:29:15.340 But it was like magazines mattered.

01:29:17.540 Yes.

01:29:17.720 And people went out to restaurants and bars and clubs.

01:29:20.120 And he was a man about town.

01:29:22.620 He was constantly in the paper.

01:29:23.920 He was the guy.

01:29:24.160 And he was among us.

01:29:25.360 You know, he was on the subway.

01:29:26.920 And, but the real story is so much stranger and weird and darker.

01:29:34.560 And the way he treated her in the beginning was like, he just treated her like any other

01:29:41.260 woman off the assembly line who wanted to be with him.

01:29:43.920 There was nothing that really, you know, he was, he was still with Daryl Hannah and keeping

01:29:50.340 her on the back burner.

01:29:51.680 And she would find out that they were back together by opening up the paper like everybody

01:29:55.520 else.

01:29:55.980 Oh my God.

01:29:56.580 Can you imagine you've been with this guy and he's led you to believe that like you have

01:29:59.700 a real future and you open up page six to see him with his movie star girlfriend?

01:30:03.420 No, I, um, I laughed at the, we failed the bar exam the second time I've told the story

01:30:09.120 before, but, um, he, he passed it on the third time.

01:30:11.780 And if he didn't pass it, he was going to get fired from his job in the New York DA's

01:30:15.060 office.

01:30:15.720 And he passed it by going to Albany law school where I attended.

01:30:19.980 No.

01:30:20.580 And he took his review class there because Albany law school has a very high percentage pass

01:30:24.600 rate.

01:30:25.440 It's a great law school, smaller and not as well known as others, but it is a great law

01:30:29.880 school, especially if you want to practice in the Northeast or in New York.

01:30:32.200 And so he went there and my mother was like, this is your chance.

01:30:37.960 You could marry him.

01:30:39.480 He's the most eligible bachelor in America.

01:30:42.340 You get in there and you try to make nice with JFK Jr.

01:30:47.820 It didn't work out.

01:30:48.820 What happened?

01:30:49.500 Nothing.

01:30:49.820 I didn't get in there.

01:30:50.720 I, he's never, he never met me.

01:30:52.000 He had no idea who I was.

01:30:52.960 And even if he had, he would have had zero interest in me because I did not look like

01:30:56.680 Carolyn Bissette Kennedy.

01:30:57.660 Um, in any event, you dodged a bullet.

01:31:00.820 Well, when he died, I think my mom was relieved, but he had a tumultuous life.

01:31:06.040 He had a reckless existence.

01:31:07.820 Ask not really walks you through how he had a death wish, this guy.

01:31:11.380 And instead this seems to be yet another Ryan Murphy.

01:31:14.920 I think he's a misogynist.

01:31:16.080 I actually have a wonder, like, I wonder, I'm not going to say Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist,

01:31:20.360 but he can't write women.

01:31:21.440 Every woman he writes is very unlikable, irascible, and like deeply problematic.

01:31:26.720 I wonder about these very famous Hollywood writers who write women as just like the least

01:31:30.860 likable, together, cool people.

01:31:34.580 You know, I don't know, but Ryan Murphy, I definitely suspect has got a serious problem

01:31:38.580 with women because he seems to be blaming, you've pointed this out before, the plane crash

01:31:43.920 on Carolyn's tardiness to showing up to the plane that day.

01:31:48.680 And that's not really what did it.

01:31:49.980 I think that Ryan Murphy is, there is a specific kind of gay man that is very dangerous.

01:31:56.320 They are truly misogynists, but they use their sexuality as a way of sidling up to women and

01:32:01.940 being like, I could never be against women.

01:32:03.580 Look, I know what it's like to be like a marginalized person in the world.

01:32:06.720 Andy Cohen's another one.

01:32:07.960 Okay, they're very dangerous.

01:32:09.740 I agree with you that Taylor, I think Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist.

01:32:13.520 I watched the bulk of Yellowstone and there was a scene in there where he had the strongest

01:32:19.280 female character, brutally assaulted and nearly gang raped.

01:32:23.280 Beth Dutton.

01:32:24.020 Beth Dutton, that scene went on way too long.

01:32:27.260 I'll say the same thing, actually.

01:32:28.320 I agree.

01:32:28.600 And I'm watching Landman now, which I like.

01:32:30.280 I like Landman.

01:32:31.140 Okay, the daughter, though?

01:32:32.320 Yeah, the daughter.

01:32:33.480 Who's like having these conversations about sex with her father?

01:32:35.840 Exactly.

01:32:36.520 And the wife, you know, his ex-wife, they're back together.

01:32:40.180 But like, there's something about the way he's writing these women.

01:32:43.360 And I'm like, this is kind of offensive.

01:32:44.940 Like, there's a strong female lawyer there.

01:32:47.540 So I don't know what he's going to do with her.

01:32:49.140 She's a good.

01:32:50.000 And I like Taylor Sheridan.

01:32:51.180 I like that he's not woke.

01:32:52.100 And I like that he's pushing back on oil narratives in this show, among other narratives.

01:32:55.260 But like, it is not great to have all women in your series portrayed like complete fuck-ups.

01:33:02.240 Like, you do need a couple of strong, great female role models, I think, in your movies.

01:33:09.540 I mean, in defense of Taylor, his male characters are also pretty shitty.

01:33:14.140 So maybe it's across the board.

01:33:15.400 But are they getting, like, gang raped?

01:33:16.440 Like, are they under threat?

01:33:18.100 You know, in that whole scene with Beth Dutton, too, where it was like, well, is the guy who plays the boyfriend?

01:33:23.240 Rip, is Rip going to get to her on time and, like, you know, throw all these guys through windows?

01:33:27.260 I had a similar reckoning with David Chase and The Sopranos.

01:33:31.840 Okay, so do you remember the episode where Melfi gets raped?

01:33:36.360 Yes.

01:33:36.860 Okay.

01:33:37.540 I purposefully never watched that episode.

01:33:39.980 I watched the entire series, but I would not watch that episode.

01:33:42.920 And then I was watching the documentary on Chase.

01:33:44.780 This is the Tony Soprano psychiatrist, female psychiatrist, played by Lorraine Bracco.

01:33:48.280 Lorraine Bracco, very tough New York woman, like a tough, glamorous New York woman.

01:33:51.680 And in the documentary, she said to David Chase, she got that script, and she said, why are you doing this to her?

01:33:56.760 Oh, yeah, that's right.

01:33:58.280 Why are you doing this to her?

01:33:59.480 I don't want you to do this to her.

01:34:01.080 And she said he explained it to her, and then she understood.

01:34:03.640 But that was the first time I watched that scene in the context of that documentary.

01:34:07.460 And it went on forever.

01:34:09.900 And I thought, he is enjoying this.

01:34:11.640 And he is enjoying taking the one woman in this series who is an intellectual and an independent woman and violating her like this.

01:34:19.680 And violating the actress who plays her like this.

01:34:21.860 And it's Rage at the Mother, whole other thing.

01:34:24.560 Wow.

01:34:24.980 Yeah.

01:34:25.400 I don't think you're wrong.

01:34:26.660 Well, are you enjoying the series, Love Story?

01:34:29.540 I find it very watchable.

01:34:32.460 They dropped the first three episodes, and then now one comes out per week.

01:34:35.720 I find it very watchable, which is different than Do I Think It's Good.

01:34:38.420 You know what I mean?

01:34:39.200 I know you don't think they're portraying Jackie O correctly.

01:34:41.360 I think it's a desecration.

01:34:42.900 We have time.

01:34:44.000 Let's play a little clip of that.

01:34:45.480 We have one of those pulled.

01:34:46.460 Do you guys know the one?

01:34:47.220 It's, oh, Sot 33, I think, is the one, right?

01:34:51.620 I don't know.

01:34:52.700 I know.

01:34:53.380 Do you want to see when she speaks to JFK Jr., only one of us knows what it's like to marry into the family?

01:34:58.460 Or do you want to see the one where she's drinking alone in her living room?

01:35:01.700 Drinking alone.

01:35:02.360 That's the one where he wants.

01:35:03.600 Let's see it.

01:35:04.180 Sot 34.

01:35:04.660 Before you drift to sleep upon your cot, she's in a living room.

01:35:11.300 She's, like, hugging herself and kind of dancing.

01:35:13.340 Think back on all the tales that you remember of Carmel.

01:35:17.520 Is she smoking?

01:35:18.660 Can't tell.

01:35:22.020 Ask every person if he's heard the story.

01:35:25.540 And tell it strong and clear if he has not.

01:35:31.660 She's picking up a JFK portrait and dancing with it.

01:35:34.500 There was a fleeting wisp of glory called Camelot.

01:35:43.540 Camelot.

01:35:46.000 Camelot.

01:35:46.600 Once there was a spot for one brief shining moment that was known as Camelot.

01:36:01.920 Wow.

01:36:05.240 Oh, wow.

01:36:07.660 It's like a miniature replica of JFK's official White House portrait.

01:36:12.920 Yes.

01:36:13.520 It's beyond camp.

01:36:15.040 So at this point in the series, Jackie is dying of cancer, like a very aggressive cancer.

01:36:20.920 She weighs, like, 80 pounds soaking wet.

01:36:23.340 She's drunk, chain-smoking near an open fire.

01:36:27.120 And what do you do?

01:36:27.820 Of course, you bend down and pick up, like, a 40-foot portrait and start dancing with it.

01:36:32.080 It's like the size of this thing.

01:36:33.920 Exactly.

01:36:34.920 Exactly.

01:36:36.480 So they're not going for true accuracy here.

01:36:39.440 Okay, that's typical Ryan Murphy.

01:36:41.480 Okay, there's more that we have to get to.

01:36:43.040 Let me switch to the Olympics.

01:36:46.040 The Alyssa Liu win last night.

01:36:50.100 Do we have a clip of it?

01:36:52.420 Let's see.

01:36:53.520 Alyssa Liu.

01:36:54.120 I don't know if we cut her actual skating.

01:36:56.460 Yeah, we did.

01:36:57.360 Saw 12.

01:36:57.800 Let's watch.

01:36:58.160 People loved it when she dragged across the ice with her knee down.

01:37:08.700 She just did.

01:37:09.640 Now she does a bunch of them.

01:37:10.980 Spinning with her knees on the ground.

01:37:17.720 Why did we love that and her so much?

01:37:23.320 I don't know.

01:37:24.160 You know, ice skating is really one of my favorite things to watch in the Olympics.

01:37:27.340 It always has been.

01:37:28.060 I haven't been able to watch as much this year.

01:37:29.920 I would imagine, though, the physical, like, how difficult it must be to skate on your knees.

01:37:35.440 Oh, my God.

01:37:35.840 Like, the potential damage you could do, that could be a career ender.

01:37:38.480 Yes.

01:37:38.820 And she got a bigger cheer for that than she got for, like, she did a quad.

01:37:42.200 She did triple axel, like, the hardest moves.

01:37:45.680 She, her dad was born in China.

01:37:49.120 He fled here, I think, at age 25 after Tiananmen Square.

01:37:52.360 And he, then he had Alyssa through a surrogate.

01:37:59.880 Like, he had a donor egg put into a surrogate.

01:38:03.260 And then he had Alyssa and her brother and sister, I think it is, and raised them out in San Francisco.

01:38:07.940 When she became a star ice skater, she went to the Olympics when she was 16 in China, in Beijing.

01:38:16.460 And she went, I think, four years earlier when she was just 12.

01:38:19.780 I can't remember where the Olympics were that year.

01:38:21.120 And she was just a babe, but she tried.

01:38:22.580 She did okay.

01:38:23.540 She finished seventh in Beijing.

01:38:25.280 But they kept trying to, like, recruit her, the Chinese.

01:38:29.860 And the State Department, at the dad's request, had to put two full-time guards with her when she went over to Beijing.

01:38:35.200 So the Chinese have been eyeballing her because they wanted to make her into an Eileen Gu, you know, who skates for China.

01:38:43.140 Yeah, I heard you say that.

01:38:43.680 Not America, given the fact that her dad was Chinese.

01:38:47.120 What, Steve?

01:38:48.460 Oh, yeah, Eileen skis.

01:38:50.420 He's putting it.

01:38:50.920 Eileen Gu is a skier.

01:38:52.560 Alyssa is obviously a skater.

01:38:54.520 And Eileen went for it and is making millions of dollars thanks to her Chinese affiliation.

01:39:00.380 And she's winning medals for the Chinese now, even though she's American.

01:39:02.860 And this gal said no.

01:39:05.740 Wow.

01:39:06.120 And her dad, no.

01:39:07.600 Wow.

01:39:07.900 They resisted every effort.

01:39:09.220 They resisted all those gazillion-dollar endorsement deals they could have gotten if they'd signed with the Chinese because they'll throw money at you.

01:39:15.260 She said, I'm skating for America.

01:39:16.800 And the dad said, there's a reason I moved to the United States of America.

01:39:20.140 And she went out there, and they talked about how she retired.

01:39:23.900 She retired right after the Beijing Olympics, when she was 16.

01:39:26.920 And then two years after that, when she was 18, she tried skiing.

01:39:32.220 And she had so much fun skiing down the ski mountain.

01:39:34.320 It was very challenging.

01:39:35.080 Her legs were burning.

01:39:36.020 But she felt exhilarated by the challenge.

01:39:38.120 And she thought, what if I could have this feeling out on the ice doing the thing that I used to be really good at?

01:39:45.800 Oh, wow.

01:39:46.380 And so she put her skates back on.

01:39:48.680 She went back out there, and she tested to see if she could still do a double axel.

01:39:53.860 And she could.

01:39:55.120 She did it.

01:39:56.240 And she was like, there might be a way back for me where I can do this sport my way.

01:40:02.440 And so she started to skate the way she wants.

01:40:06.100 And she chose the music she wanted.

01:40:08.320 And she wore her hair the way she wanted with the crazy stripes.

01:40:11.660 And she had the lip piercing that makes it look like she's got little little things on the two front teeth.

01:40:17.840 And she got out there, and she chose the—who sings that song?

01:40:21.620 Is it Eileen Cara?

01:40:22.700 Whatever.

01:40:23.220 She chose one of our more fun pop anthems here, not some stiff operatic thing that puts you to sleep.

01:40:30.780 And she had fun with her gold flitty gown.

01:40:34.220 And we did, too.

01:40:35.880 Like, that was part of—I have more to say.

01:40:37.340 I'm not done with Alyssa, but I do have to take a quick break.

01:40:40.100 We're going to come back on the opposite side and finish our discussion of the Olympics.

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01:43:23.060 So I was saying about Alyssa Liu,

01:43:24.200 I think that her effervescence won her the gold.

01:43:29.800 She came back, she did it her way.

01:43:32.140 And it wasn't like the stuffy,

01:43:34.260 U.S. figure skating, perfection,

01:43:36.520 little Nancy Kerrigan way.

01:43:37.800 It was like, take me as I am.

01:43:40.940 And it gave her the confidence to go out there and skate.

01:43:44.460 Like, she had fun.

01:43:45.780 Everybody else looked scared shitless.

01:43:48.200 She had a great time.

01:43:50.480 And I wonder if there's like an example in there

01:43:52.420 for these other figure skaters who choke sometimes.

01:43:56.120 You know, like, poor sweet Ilya Malinan.

01:44:00.180 I don't know, forgive me, he's new to me,

01:44:01.540 but he's wonderful.

01:44:02.900 But he had a very tough performance the other night.

01:44:05.600 He choked, and he admitted that it was a choke,

01:44:07.500 that it was all mental.

01:44:08.660 Maybe if you just go out there

01:44:09.940 and you just make it like the most fun thing

01:44:13.920 that you can't wait to do,

01:44:15.900 you get results like this gal in gold.

01:44:18.840 That's the thing I love about sports,

01:44:20.700 whether it's the Olympics or professional sports.

01:44:23.140 And it's not like I'm a huge sports fan.

01:44:24.680 There are certain things I do really love.

01:44:26.120 Like, I love watching the U.S. Open and stuff.

01:44:28.120 But I love the metaphor that sports can give you

01:44:34.200 for so much in life.

01:44:35.600 And when you're talking about that, like, that way,

01:44:38.080 like, that's how I try to approach anything.

01:44:41.040 Like, it's just-

01:44:41.920 Like the nerve.

01:44:42.700 Yeah, like, I have so much fun with the nerve,

01:44:44.760 and I wasn't trying to make it fit into any sort of particular box.

01:44:48.540 Yes.

01:44:48.640 Or hit certain people.

01:44:49.800 It's just like, well, we're all kind of out of our minds over there,

01:44:52.460 and it's really fun, and that's how we do it.

01:44:55.760 And I think, you know, it made me think, too, of-

01:44:58.900 God, oh, so I saw this segment once back on Real Sports

01:45:03.340 when that was still running with Brian Gumbel

01:45:04.920 about these major league pitchers, like these phenoms,

01:45:08.780 like these guys, like they were just gifted.

01:45:10.720 Like, I mean, they worked hard,

01:45:11.780 but like they had natural inborn talent.

01:45:13.800 And there was this thing that I forget they have a name for it

01:45:16.300 where like suddenly they like freeze and they choke

01:45:18.500 and they lose their ability to pitch.

01:45:20.200 And it's not just like-

01:45:21.400 The yips.

01:45:21.600 The yips, exactly.

01:45:23.820 And it's like, and then it really calcifies within them.

01:45:27.540 And the more they try to get out of it,

01:45:29.200 like the deeper they get into it,

01:45:30.340 and they have to hire like specific coaches

01:45:32.680 to get them back to the majors.

01:45:34.860 And watching it, it was just like terrifying to me

01:45:38.140 because it's an object lesson, I think,

01:45:41.720 in trying not to get too in your own head too much

01:45:44.420 and trying to control an outcome.

01:45:47.180 Like I would bet that girl probably came at that,

01:45:49.420 like, I'm just happy to be here.

01:45:51.060 I'm at the effing Olympics and that's a win.

01:45:53.240 Yes.

01:45:53.460 That's a win in and of itself.

01:45:54.560 And even her coach was on the,

01:45:56.100 like the preview setup piece was like,

01:45:57.860 she came back and said, I want to, I want to skate again.

01:45:59.840 And so I opened up a huge bottle of wine

01:46:01.800 and she had made clear to him,

01:46:04.460 I want to do it on my own terms.

01:46:05.540 And he understood, I think this is not going to be what people are used to.

01:46:09.600 And man, it worked out.

01:46:10.840 So I was just, it was so joyful to watch equally joyful women's hockey team.

01:46:16.320 We beat the evil top hat Canada.

01:46:19.500 What's amazing is our team.

01:46:22.460 They're saying that this women's team is the best ever assembled.

01:46:25.160 Our, our female team.

01:46:26.900 Um, we, in the entire Olympics had never been down a goal.

01:46:31.300 We'd always been leading in every single matchup against everybody who got us here.

01:46:36.140 And until the finals.

01:46:38.460 Wow.

01:46:39.060 So now we open up the finals yesterday against Canada.

01:46:41.600 They scored on us early.

01:46:43.540 Wow.

01:46:44.080 And we were down one zero the entire game.

01:46:47.040 Last two minutes, we pull the goalie.

01:46:50.140 Our goalie is a stud.

01:46:52.240 She's the one who stopped.

01:46:53.520 I mean, she and all of her team, but like, she didn't let any goals get through.

01:46:56.720 I think we had one goal scored on us before, before the last, before yesterday.

01:47:01.000 And then one yesterday.

01:47:01.940 I think two goals this woman gave up the entire Olympics.

01:47:05.280 We pull the goalie.

01:47:07.180 And so we can get an extra body on the, on the ice going on offense.

01:47:10.600 And it happened.

01:47:12.200 They scored to get it tied up before the game clock ran out.

01:47:17.720 Now we're in sudden death overtime.

01:47:19.680 And amazingly, Megan Keller scored the game winning goal.

01:47:28.280 I don't know anything about hockey, but it was so exciting when she, she did it.

01:47:32.500 I do know the word juke from my kids sports.

01:47:35.460 She juked the other player where like, you know, she made him think that her think that

01:47:39.420 she was going left when she was really going right.

01:47:41.460 She got around her.

01:47:42.240 She, she slapped this, uh, puck into the goal in between the goalie's legs.

01:47:47.300 And the defender was splayed out on the ice, like in the X formation, just like with her

01:47:52.180 head down, realizing she had just missed such an important moment.

01:47:55.500 Poor girl.

01:47:56.120 Wow.

01:47:56.220 But you just have to feel sorry for it.

01:47:57.680 Cause we won.

01:47:58.260 Yeah.

01:47:58.400 Yeah.

01:47:58.540 And, um, everybody on Twitter was like an ex was like, oh, there's a filthy goal.

01:48:04.080 That was a dirty, filthy goal.

01:48:05.720 And I was like, these are Americans who are fans of this.

01:48:09.560 So why do they keep saying like, they're all using those terms.

01:48:12.840 I actually asked on X, I'm like, why, why are all these hockey fans using the terms

01:48:16.640 dirty and filthy?

01:48:18.360 And I guess it's a unique hockey thing in particular.

01:48:21.660 Maybe it's applies to other sports, but they were saying hockey fans use those terms for

01:48:25.080 like the sickest goals.

01:48:26.800 Oh, so it's like, it's a, it's a compliment thing.

01:48:29.000 Yeah.

01:48:29.200 Okay.

01:48:29.440 There's a compliment anyway.

01:48:30.520 And then the crowd went wild and all the girls stormed each other and it was so joyful.

01:48:35.380 It was like something out of the movies.

01:48:36.340 And here is our team singing the national anthem, like a bunch of amazing Patriots.

01:48:46.640 And they know the words to their credit.

01:49:01.840 Sorry, but just to contrast that with the U.S. women's soccer team, um, let's see what

01:49:09.880 they did in the 2023 World Cup.

01:49:12.000 It's not 19.

01:49:16.640 They look like they're at a funeral.

01:49:20.820 It was pregame.

01:49:22.260 I'll give them that, but nothing.

01:49:25.080 Half don't even have their hands on their hearts.

01:49:28.220 A bunch of bitter, angry losers.

01:49:34.040 So hats off to women's hockey for showing the world and women's soccer how it's done.

01:49:40.980 Agreed.

01:49:41.500 And, you know, that makes me think of, um, at the Superbowl you'll often see at the national

01:49:46.760 anthem.

01:49:47.420 We were just talking about Chris Stapleton who did one of the greatest national anthem

01:49:50.840 performances at the Superbowl ever.

01:49:52.660 I love seeing like grown big burly men weep at a rendition of that, that like really gets

01:49:59.540 in there.

01:50:00.200 And, um, that there, there, those are those great unifying moments because sports transcends

01:50:05.200 everything.

01:50:05.660 It doesn't matter how you vote or whatever.

01:50:07.800 Yes.

01:50:08.280 Yeah.

01:50:08.500 All right.

01:50:08.800 One more moment before we go.

01:50:10.620 Haley Wynn is on our women's team and they ran such a good package on her and her family.

01:50:16.740 She is the youngest, I think of four.

01:50:19.080 She has three older brothers and these, her older brothers are her biggest fans.

01:50:25.320 They've become complete stands for their younger sister.

01:50:28.140 They go to all of her games.

01:50:29.520 They dress alike.

01:50:30.360 They cheer for her as loud as possible.

01:50:32.800 And they ran this setup package on showing her on skates when she was just like literally

01:50:36.900 a baby and these boys have been there her whole life encouraging her.

01:50:40.820 Here's just a little bit of that.

01:50:42.360 And the players tribute watch.

01:50:44.680 Go girl.

01:50:45.680 Go.

01:50:46.800 Go.

01:50:48.560 Stand up.

01:50:49.480 Get those feet.

01:50:50.460 Get those feet under you.

01:50:52.020 Encouraging her.

01:50:53.700 Go girl.

01:50:55.260 Hey, bugs.

01:50:56.100 Hey, Seth.

01:50:56.540 What's up with your brothers?

01:50:57.740 We've watched you on skates before you could even walk and listen to you talk about your

01:51:05.400 dreams of becoming an Olympian since the first time you were asked.

01:51:09.740 Now you're living it.

01:51:11.200 You continue to impress us daily.

01:51:13.740 We are just so proud of you.

01:51:16.520 Come on, Haley.

01:51:17.160 Stick with them.

01:51:17.760 You deserve everything that's coming.

01:51:20.640 The U.S.

01:51:20.980 Women's Hockey Team deserves everything that's coming to you.

01:51:23.160 You've worked so hard.

01:51:24.100 Thousands of shots.

01:51:24.980 All the hours in the weight room.

01:51:26.160 All the early mornings.

01:51:27.140 And just everything you've sacrificed.

01:51:29.040 We can't wait to cheer you on as you continue to push for gold.

01:51:32.140 Watching you get to live out your dream is a blessing.

01:51:35.100 No matter the outcome of these games, it doesn't change who you are.

01:51:39.340 You have three older brothers that now look up to you.

01:51:43.800 You will always be our champion.

01:51:45.620 It's so nice.

01:51:48.360 I know we're both crying.

01:51:49.600 I don't cry.

01:51:50.180 You cry?

01:51:50.640 I'm not crying.

01:51:51.280 You're crying.

01:51:52.760 I love that.

01:51:54.780 Right?

01:51:55.000 I love, you know, that's the kind, like, I feel like we, that is maybe more of the exception.

01:52:00.840 I would hope it's more of the rule than the exception, but like these older brothers

01:52:04.820 who are doing nothing but cheering her on.

01:52:07.940 No.

01:52:08.100 Not an iota of resentment or like, who do you think you are?

01:52:11.660 Like, you're living your dream.

01:52:13.580 We've seen you in skates before you could walk.

01:52:15.160 I could think, and you're rolling off.

01:52:17.200 It's so sweet.

01:52:18.120 It reminds me of the saying, which is also sad.

01:52:20.900 Parents leave too soon.

01:52:23.220 Children come too late.

01:52:24.480 But your siblings are with you for the whole thing.

01:52:27.420 It's just sweet.

01:52:28.420 They are.

01:52:28.980 They really are.

01:52:29.780 And they're the ones who, you know, and that just made, that just is, is one of the most

01:52:35.960 beautiful things.

01:52:36.560 And you know, that's why that girl can go out there and skate the way she does because

01:52:40.600 she's got that from her brother saying, you just, you're living the dream.

01:52:44.200 You're at the Olympics.

01:52:44.920 It doesn't matter if you medal or not.

01:52:47.160 Yes.

01:52:47.300 You won.

01:52:47.800 You're a winner.

01:52:48.420 It must be said, again, hats off to good parenting.

01:52:52.220 Yes.

01:52:52.680 Whatever those parents did, they nailed it.

01:52:55.560 Creating that sort of sibling support and love.

01:52:58.700 And that girl went out there knowing her life was great no matter what happened at the final

01:53:03.420 buzzer.

01:53:04.060 Like that is a huge win.

01:53:05.780 It's a win for the family.

01:53:06.800 It's a win for humanity.

01:53:08.460 Yes.

01:53:08.700 And it's a win for her going forward in life because being at the Olympics can't be the

01:53:12.700 best thing that ever happened to her.

01:53:14.400 She has a long life ahead of her, hopefully.

01:53:16.520 And that's got to be a highlight, but it can't be the best.

01:53:19.400 Yeah.

01:53:19.720 You know what I mean?

01:53:20.180 Yeah.

01:53:20.520 She gets to have those brothers with her every Christmas, God willing, and birthdays.

01:53:24.180 And I don't know.

01:53:25.460 It's just like, it's hashtag goals as a parent.

01:53:29.280 Yes.

01:53:29.520 But even just as a human, you know, to foster those kinds of relationships in your life.

01:53:33.260 Good for them.

01:53:34.420 God bless the entire team, Haley and the others.

01:53:37.900 Great job.

01:53:38.460 We're so proud of you.

01:53:39.380 Maureen, love you, lady.

01:53:40.960 Love you right back, Megan.

01:53:42.080 Thank you.

01:53:42.800 My friend, we're dear, dear friends.

01:53:45.380 As you can see, we're a family too here at the MK Media Network.

01:53:48.680 We're super close.

01:53:49.600 We talk all the time and I'm practically Velcro to Megan's side.

01:53:52.020 Not that like I'm needy or anything.

01:53:54.320 We are good friends.

01:53:55.280 Okay.

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