The Megyn Kelly Show - Tone-deaf Green Activism, and Absurd COVID Authoritarianism and Kyrie Irving, with Victor Davis Hanson and Adam Carolla

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.460 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live again from Montana.

00:00:17.700 Two of our favorites are here on the program with us today. Adam Carolla coming up just a bit later

00:00:21.840 in the show, but we begin today with the latest on Ukraine and Russia with Victor Davis Hanson.

00:00:28.580 Thank you so much for being back. Let's get right into it and talk about where we are right now.

00:00:34.580 You had an amazing piece out recently about our green immoralists and the reaction in particular

00:00:41.120 to what's happening in Ukraine from John Kerry, who never fails to disappoint when it comes to his

00:00:49.220 reactions to world events. He has one pair of glasses through which he sees everything, even the murder

00:00:56.040 of hundreds and thousands of people on the Ukraine and the Russian sides, respectively,

00:01:00.040 in Ukraine. Your thoughts on him?

00:01:02.700 Well, you remember during the Iraq war, he said, you better go to college and do well in high school

00:01:07.000 and get to college or you're going to end up in Iraq. That was right when we were trying to conduct

00:01:10.740 the surge and we have all these brave people fighting and he acted as if they were the losers

00:01:15.580 in the global race. But he's toned deaf to people that don't have his money and influence and status.

00:01:23.180 And it shows you that he's emblematic of the whole green movement. I mean, they're not taking any

00:01:27.340 culpability for shutting down all of these assets that we have to make it our power to pipelines,

00:01:34.860 to oil fields, to gas and oil, to job-wounding lending agencies, not to help finance frackers and

00:01:43.500 horizontal drillers. And the result of that was about two million barrels less. But more importantly,

00:01:48.020 we had the option in the last administration to go up to three more million barrels. So it might have

00:01:54.800 been four or five net that we lost. And they don't have an exegesis for it, Megan. They can't say,

00:02:01.080 well, Iran or Venezuela or Saudi Arabia or Putin, they produce oil far more ecologically sound than

00:02:10.920 we do. Therefore, we would prefer that they drill it since we're in a global village and we all share

00:02:15.920 the same heating up atmosphere. Or they can't say, well, we don't really want the middle class to get

00:02:22.900 good wages. We'd rather have them do it. Or we would like to have less strategic options abroad. We want

00:02:28.280 to be more dependent on these illiberal. So I can't figure it out. And then when you add into the

00:02:33.180 matrix, the Biden administration dropped the sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which

00:02:40.820 was enriching Russia. But there was another alternative that was in the works, the East

00:02:44.780 Mediterranean pipeline from Cyprus, Greece and Israel. And unlike the Nord Stream, it was our allies who

00:02:50.140 were going to profit from it. And we could depend on to supply Southern Europe with natural gas. And yet

00:02:54.320 Biden did his all to stop that and cancel it basically by sheer force of U.S. influence.

00:03:01.120 But it's kind of incoherent, chaotic. I don't know how you'd call our energy policy other than we

00:03:07.540 have empowered Vladimir Putin. It's so confusing to watch the way they handle this, right? You

00:03:13.740 pointed out in your piece, John Kerry responds. This is how you phrased it. Climate change envoy,

00:03:20.720 multimillionaire and private jet owning John Kerry laments that Russian President Vladimir Putin

00:03:25.880 might no longer remain his partner in reducing global warming. Quote, you're going to lose people's

00:03:32.380 focus, Kerry frets. Quote, you're going to lose big country attention because they will be diverted.

00:03:38.440 And I think it could have a damaging impact. Impact? You ask, what does he mean by impact?

00:03:45.420 Are we solely focused right now on green energy concerns as people are dying in Ukraine? I mean,

00:03:53.580 that's where his head is. And it is more evidence that the green energy thing is religion for these

00:04:00.020 guys. Even back at home, they continue to tout the solar panels and the windmills rather than talk

00:04:06.600 about drilling to solve our inflating prices, especially at the pump.

00:04:12.040 Yeah, I think it's a psychological, kind of like medieval penance. They feel that the more they can

00:04:19.160 be in the abstract, morally green or superior to the deplorable classes, the more they can enjoy their

00:04:27.080 lifestyle by close to lifestyles without, you know, worry about. And the second thing is they have no

00:04:32.140 contact with the middle class. So, you know, I'm here in Fresno County and I go to the service stations and

00:04:37.360 now they've lowered the $100 limit in California to $75. And if some of these guys are very poor,

00:04:43.740 they're landscapers or they're field tractor drivers and they drive 40, 50 miles, they have 20

00:04:49.580 gallon pickup. They can't even fill their gas. $75 doesn't do it. So, you know, and many of these

00:04:56.660 people's pick up. So they go around from service station to service station, hopping around to find

00:05:01.220 gas. But that's a world away from, you know, somebody in Palo Alto where I work. And I think

00:05:07.980 that's a lot of it. They're not confronted with the ramifications of their own ideology and they

00:05:12.440 don't really care. When Biden said this was Putin's inflation and this is Putin's gas. And I'm thinking

00:05:18.720 if that were true, why a month ago or even, you know, three and a half weeks ago, were you blaming

00:05:24.780 inflation? He was blaming on inflation on Trump. He was blaming it on, it was just an elite, it was

00:05:32.520 just going to be transitory. He said it was an elite fixation, exercise by supply shortages.

00:05:38.820 So that kind of damns his own explanation that he, he understood that before Putin went into Ukraine,

00:05:44.700 he was being criticized for inflation. He was looking for any excuse he could to follow it off on somebody

00:05:50.340 else. And then suddenly he says, forget all of those people. They weren't really the culpable

00:05:54.680 ones. It was now Trump that post facto did all this, you know. And a lot of people, as you know,

00:06:00.780 Megan, when we say 7.9 annualized inflation in February, but you look at the stuff of life,

00:06:06.960 gas, cars, houses, lumber, meat, and you look at those prices, they're up 10 to 20 to 30% per year.

00:06:15.240 So this, I think we use the old consumer price index of the 1970s. This thing could be 15%.

00:06:21.620 That's, I mean, that's eye popping and obviously election losing. That's what they, that's what

00:06:27.700 they need to be worried about. I'm not sure what they're worried about right now, whether they think

00:06:31.780 any of this helps or hurts him in the midterms, whether that's guiding any of his behavior,

00:06:36.380 but something you said reminded me of something that we haven't yet discussed on the show about

00:06:40.500 our elites and, you know, just how the snobbery when it comes to gas prices, inflation, and it is

00:06:48.460 from the top on down in the Democratic Party, as evidenced last week by Stephen Colbert, who was out

00:06:54.480 on the set bragging about how he would be willing to pay $15 a gallon because he drives a Tesla.

00:07:01.080 Right. So he doesn't have to worry like, you know, the losers, the rest of the losers out there who

00:07:07.140 have gas fueled automobiles, uh, about these issues and ha ha ha. Isn't that so funny? And isn't he so

00:07:12.740 lucky? It's like, well, you know what? Very few people in America can afford a Tesla, even if they

00:07:17.860 could get one, they couldn't afford it. And it's no laughing matter for them as these, as these prices

00:07:23.120 go up to these levels. Yeah. I mean here out in central California, there's a waiting list of about

00:07:29.320 eight months and there's a markup to about $70,000, uh, for the initial, uh, market pro over the

00:07:38.140 market, you know, but what I'm getting at is that what's happening out here in the rural areas of

00:07:43.480 California, the poor areas, Megan, there's these kind of ad hoc car marts where people just sort of

00:07:49.780 scrounge around and they get used cars and they put them in a chain link fence behind their, uh,

00:07:55.720 corner store or gas station and they get that they're sold out immediately. But these are cars

00:08:01.000 that get, I don't know, 16 miles of the gallon because poor people can't afford a car that's

00:08:06.720 economical. And so people are trying to make do, but at five and here that the price of gas is five

00:08:12.660 90 a gallon and diesel fuel six 10 today. And, uh, so these people have no, it's not that they don't

00:08:19.820 have any experience with the other big so-called other, but they don't want to have any experience.

00:08:24.880 This is highly ironic because we've been lectured for 50 years at the democratic party

00:08:29.900 was a party of working people, but actually it's the party of the wealthy zip codes, Silicon Valley,

00:08:36.520 Hollywood, professional sports, corporations, wall street. It's a party of the very poor subsidized

00:08:42.560 and the upper, upper middle classes and wealthy that don't really care about taxes or regulations

00:08:49.520 because they always have ways of getting around them. Well, you point out that, uh, in the meantime,

00:08:55.380 what are, what are we doing back at home? We're not untap or tapping into Alaska's oil reserves or

00:09:01.900 elsewhere. We're going begging to the Saudis, to Venezuela, to Iran. I mean, it's insane, right?

00:09:10.200 And these are all regimes that we demonized, but Joe Biden demonized that have some of which

00:09:15.620 we're sanctioning right now. Um, and now suddenly they're fair game. It's totally fine to deal with

00:09:21.360 them. You know, I, I went through all the column before I went through all the bad things that can

00:09:26.720 happen when we're doing what we're doing. So then I said to myself, well, because they're doing these

00:09:32.060 bad things, what maybe they're naive or delusional. What are the good things they think accrues from that?

00:09:38.420 And all I could think of was two things. They're going to make energy so expensive that they'll

00:09:44.800 realize. So remember energy secretary under Obama, Stephen Chu's dream that he wanted gas to be the

00:09:50.600 same price as it was in Europe. I think it was a $9 a gallon. It's getting close. And therefore people

00:09:56.080 would drive less or they believe that they want to be the moral superiors of the rest of the world

00:10:02.040 and say, we don't touch that filthy fuel that you drill, but we'd quietly want you to get your

00:10:08.280 hands filthy and send the filthy fuel so that we could put it in our filthy cars for a while and

00:10:13.700 win the midterm elections. I don't know what that's sort of what they're talking, talking or thinking

00:10:18.240 about because otherwise it makes no sense. And, uh, boy, when you look at, uh, oil wells and we still

00:10:25.020 have them in California, you go down to Elk Hills or Bakersfield area, or you look at offshore for all

00:10:31.840 the caricatures. It's very careful. The people that work on there are so much more careful than

00:10:37.640 you see in the Middle East or in Russia. And so they should be saying every barrel that is produced

00:10:44.100 under Western auspices comes out of the ground with less environmental damage than it does when

00:10:48.940 we import it and subsidize it from Venezuela or Iran or Russia or the Middle East.

00:10:55.660 What, what, can we talk about the Iran deal for one second? Because this is why I say earlier,

00:11:01.200 our policies just seem a little crazy right now. Right now we're, we're unleashing all these harsh

00:11:06.320 sanctions, sanctions against Vladimir Putin, trying to hurt him as much as we can, but we're using the

00:11:11.540 Russians to try to get this Iran nuclear deal done. There, there are backdoor allies over there,

00:11:17.600 pay no attention to what we're doing to you over here in the front door. And then with Iran,

00:11:22.740 we're going to them saying, could you help us out on the oil front? Nevermind that we have plenty of

00:11:27.700 reserves here. We don't need Iran, but we're going to them saying, could you help us out? That would

00:11:30.760 really be great. Thanks so much. Um, meanwhile, sanctioning them and trying to get them, I guess,

00:11:36.600 to help us out with the Russians. It makes no sense. I don't know what we're doing. Does it

00:11:41.960 make any sense to you? No, it doesn't. Other than there was a crackpot dream. Remember in the Obama

00:11:48.340 administration and the point man on that was the deputy national security advisor, Ben Rhodes.

00:11:53.300 He was the one famously who said, I created an echo chamber and these 20 something reporters know

00:11:58.480 nothing and bragging about how he just gave them these false talking points that they reverberated

00:12:04.860 in the media. But I think the idea was among the Obama Biden administration was that they wanted to

00:12:12.400 create a antithesis to the Sunni Arab dominance that they felt was somehow illiberal. It is illiberal

00:12:20.400 in many ways in Saudi Arabia. And they thought that they had very naive ideas about the Iranian

00:12:25.920 revolutionary regime, but nevertheless, they thought it was revolutionary and they were Shia and they

00:12:30.820 were Persians and they could have a Persian Shia crescent that would include Syria and Lebanon and go all

00:12:37.320 the way to the Mediterranean. And therefore it would balance off Israel. It would balance off the Arab

00:12:44.180 Sunni states and the United States would be the broker and say, no, on the one hand, you guys, and on

00:12:49.560 the other hand, these guys, rather than be allied with people they didn't like. And that was the Obama

00:12:55.600 administration by they don't like Israel and they don't like the moderate Arab world. That's the only

00:13:00.820 thing I can think of, but it's a pretty big wage to pay because we're using the Russians and the Russians

00:13:06.000 are telling the Iranians, don't make a deal unless you can include us as being exempt along with you

00:13:14.880 for our yeoman service from sanctions. So the Russians are saying, oh, we're going to cut this

00:13:20.520 favorable deal to the Iranians. At least you could, and you're not going to embargo their oil,

00:13:25.720 then you're not going to embargo our oil either. We're not going to participate. And then of course,

00:13:30.600 in the middle of all this, they send missiles into Erbil and say to us, oh, maybe you have an embassy

00:13:37.880 going in there, or maybe this was because of an Israeli strike. And so it's almost that all these

00:13:44.920 people that were bad actors, if I could use that overused term, North Korea, Iran, Putin, they were all

00:13:54.480 within the parameters, within the sidelines that we had, we didn't have them sort of contained.

00:14:01.680 And North Korea was not sending missiles over Japan or South Korea anymore. And Iran, we got out of that

00:14:08.860 deal. We killed General Soleimani. We had killed Baghdadi, destroyed ISIS. They understood that we

00:14:14.200 were unpredictable, were capable of anything. And they were sort of behaved after we got out of

00:14:19.180 Iran. And the sanctions were killing them. And the same was true with Putin. And then we, I think,

00:14:26.400 I don't think, Megan, we've really fully digested how bad Afghanistan was. That sent a message to all

00:14:32.920 those players that we are not going to deter you, that we have no confidence ourself, that we've just

00:14:40.120 gone through a woke military reform movement, and we got out of Afghanistan. And to this day,

00:14:46.640 we gave more arms to the Taliban terrorists, about $80 billion, according to some reports,

00:14:52.860 than all of the West NATO and the United States has given to Ukraine. And that makes an impression

00:14:58.160 on people. And when you add in Joe Biden's cognitive challenges, or the fact that he requested

00:15:03.080 not too long ago for Vladimir Putin to stop hacking in terms of, well, if you're going to hack,

00:15:09.220 let's put these 16, quote unquote, entities off the hacking list, rather than stop it entirely.

00:15:15.340 So, and then begging Putin to pump oil right before he went into Ukraine, you add it all up. And

00:15:20.620 I guess you can say that deterrence is very hard to create and maintain. It takes years and you can

00:15:27.100 lose it. You can lose it in weeks and we've lost it. That is such a good point. Right. Things were

00:15:32.980 just, they weren't perfect, but they were steadier. They were more stable. We weren't dealing with so

00:15:37.560 many international crises. And that is a very strong argument that it's directly linked to weakness in the

00:15:45.280 American leadership. It is. I think we just couldn't, we just couldn't, we being the

00:15:50.840 bipartisan establishment, not that you and I are a part of it, but they just could not stomach the

00:15:57.020 idea that Donald Trump and uncouth and crude as they thought he was understood classical strategy

00:16:05.620 going all the way back to, you know, Machiavelli or Sun Tzu or Aeneas Tacticus that always said when

00:16:12.560 you're dealing with a deadly adversary, unpredictability, uh, bouts of restlessness,

00:16:19.520 uh, even crude language, tempered with praise of your enemy, all of that keeps someone off the

00:16:26.080 guard, their guard, but predictability, serial habituality. And that's what Biden is. They,

00:16:33.600 they know he's not, you know what he's doing now. He's just saying all the things he's not going to

00:16:37.780 do. I'm not going to have a no-fly. I don't think we should have a no-fly zone either, but I wouldn't

00:16:41.960 tell him that. I don't think we should send warthogs in. I wouldn't tell him that. I'm not sure I'd even

00:16:47.200 exchange the planes and, uh, because I wouldn't tell him that I would send in Patriot batteries so

00:16:53.860 they could get back air parity, but I wouldn't tell him that, but he tells him almost everything he's

00:16:58.540 not going to do. And that makes Putin assured that he will do those things.

00:17:03.400 Meanwhile, we have news this week that, uh, there was a missile strike near the U S consulate in

00:17:08.380 Northern Iraq, courtesy we're told of the Iranians. So once again, and, and was that retribution for

00:17:14.780 Soleimani? Did they wait until Trump was out of office to do something, some saber rattling, you

00:17:20.120 know, the old America, the one I grew up in wouldn't have, it wouldn't have happened under

00:17:26.900 president Reagan. I don't think it would have happened, right? That they would have been

00:17:29.680 so provocative towards us by bombing close to our consulate. It's they're trying to see how much

00:17:35.980 they can get away with from the Iranians to the Russians and the list will only grow. I mean,

00:17:41.560 if Iran actually gets a nuke, right, then what? If, if our message to the world is basically,

00:17:47.180 if you're a nuclear power, you can get away with a lot because that's what we're saying to Vladimir

00:17:51.080 Putin right now. You know, you can get away and I'm not advocating we go in, you know, with,

00:17:54.880 with helicopters or no flow, no fly zone, et cetera. But we've been so weak with respect to

00:17:59.120 him. And we say, well, he's got a nuclear arsenal. Well, if Iran has, then what, what are they going

00:18:04.140 to do? And what are we going to do in response? Things are getting less and less safe by the

00:18:08.020 minute. I think part of that, what you're talking about is that people in the United States and the

00:18:13.220 West in general have this very arrogant view of themselves that they've somehow transcended

00:18:17.580 ancient laws of deterrence, good and evil, how you stop aggressors that we, I don't know,

00:18:23.700 bit, whether it's our technology or we have Snapchat or Twitter or Facebook or the UN, but

00:18:30.120 whatever the delusion is, we say things that are just incredible. John Kerry is always saying,

00:18:36.600 we're not going to go back to the 20th century. Well, did human nature change suddenly, John,

00:18:42.040 in the 21st century? Suddenly got better people. You lose your wallet in Manhattan in 2022 and people

00:18:48.920 give it back to you now and they didn't do it 40 years ago. I don't think so. And so human nature

00:18:55.660 is constant and you have to study it. And it's not necessarily an optimistic appraisal when you study

00:19:01.400 human nature, but you can control it. And so when you start to make fun of deterrence or disarm or allow

00:19:09.100 NATO not to pay their 2% or predictably talk about how you're going to have a pride flag in Afghanistan

00:19:16.980 or George Floyd and have all of this, it is a green, woke imperialism, but unlike the old-fashioned

00:19:25.120 British imperialism, it lacks any force behind it. We just lecture people and sermonize them,

00:19:30.780 but we don't have any, we can't make up any force to back up our ideology. Not that I agree with that

00:19:37.380 ideology, but we suffer the wages of being ridiculous and weak at the same time. And so until we establish,

00:19:44.100 we reestablish deterrence, and that would be defined as, you know, 4% of our military budget,

00:19:50.320 no more woke waste workshops, promotion on the base of race and gender, and go back to military

00:19:58.460 readiness as the prime criteria of promotion, enlistment, weaponry, make our NATO allies be a full partner,

00:20:07.640 become energy independent, and work with Japan, Australia, South Korea, Taiwan, in a way that

00:20:15.420 China doesn't like. And then I think we could restore deterrence. We've done every single thing

00:20:20.960 opposite of that. And it's no surprise that we've lost it. It's going to be very dangerous to,

00:20:25.220 it's always very dangerous to reestablish deterrence, because you have no credibility.

00:20:29.860 It's like somebody lies, lies, lies, or weak, weak, weak to a person. And then suddenly they say,

00:20:34.660 I'm going to lie no more to you. I'm going to be a good person. And you think, okay, let's see. I

00:20:40.040 want to see it. I don't want to hear about it. Well, and you've pointed out too, it's that when

00:20:44.680 you talk about the woke problem in the military, I mean, of course, it's in the country as well,

00:20:49.100 and that the country has been in disarray for the better part of Joe Biden's presidency. And to some

00:20:56.160 extent before that, but largely during the first year of his presidency, with these woke policies

00:21:01.160 that are dividing the country in two. And this faction on the left existed before Joe Biden,

00:21:06.280 but he's caving to them. And a country that's focused on naval gazing, as opposed to what it

00:21:12.520 means to be an American, the things that bring us together, building up a strong military,

00:21:17.180 understanding who we are and our place in the world. We haven't been doing any of that. It's Putin's

00:21:21.220 dream, the way we've been behaving the past year plus.

00:21:23.680 It is. That's a very good point because a civilization survives or declines on the basis

00:21:31.320 of about four or five things. One is their education system. Another is whether they have

00:21:36.920 fuel. Another is whether they have food. Another is whether they have security. And another is

00:21:42.880 whether they have unity. And when you look at the politicalization and weaponization of our

00:21:47.280 schools, from the Virginia chaos, and that's a school board meeting all the way up to the

00:21:54.940 university. When you look at wheat now, it's at the highest in real dollars it's been in, I think,

00:21:59.500 50 years. And it's getting higher and higher. You take Ukraine off the market and you triple the price

00:22:05.500 of nitrogen and base for fertilizers that require fossil fuels. And you look at our woke military,

00:22:12.200 military. And you're really destroying the sinews of a civilization that count. And the only good

00:22:18.120 thing that's come out of this, it's made all of these other things, Hannah Jones, Nick,

00:22:23.320 Ibram Kendi. Yeah, Kendi. All of their PC, woke, little diatribe Zoom conferences about whether it's

00:22:34.160 1619 or 1776. These are just psychodramas, melodramas. They have no, there's nothing to

00:22:40.840 them. Or when, you know, Whoopi Goldberg gets on and says basically the Holocaust was a bunch of

00:22:45.840 white people killing white people. Or Hannah Nicole Jones says something to that effect about Ukraine,

00:22:51.780 or she doesn't even know in the Civil War. These are all things that we were focused on and they

00:22:56.120 mean nothing because the existential elements of life are, do we have enough wheat flour to eat our

00:23:02.460 bread this year? Can we afford gas and oil? Can we drive our car? Can we heat our home? Can we cool

00:23:10.300 them in the summer? Can we count on our military to be very effective fighters to protect us? Can we send

00:23:17.500 our kids to school without being sovietly indoctrinated? And that's a big question mark.

00:23:24.080 And I really look back, you know, it's so funny, this generation is so critical of these supposedly

00:23:29.620 racist and sexist for bearers of ours. But these people came out of the depression, Megan, they had

00:23:35.540 nothing. And yet they bequeathed to us when we were all growing up, you could get gas at affordable

00:23:40.340 price. You could get electricity at affordable price. The United States did not have to worry about,

00:23:47.020 you know, a non-secure border. The United States was respected abroad. So before we make fun of

00:23:53.500 prior generations, we should take a look in the mirror because I think this generation has done

00:23:57.840 more damage to this country than any generation in memory. You know, I almost never cite this person

00:24:04.800 because she's an absolute moron and doesn't really deserve our attention. But there is a woman who hosts

00:24:08.620 a show on MSNBC over the weekend. Cross is her last name. She sees everybody as racist. She's a black

00:24:15.540 woman. She's I mean, everybody's a racist, according to this woman. But she actually was

00:24:19.480 railing this week about the fact that Kamala Harris went to Poland because Poland is full

00:24:24.000 of white supremacists. OK, that's this woman has a show, a national cable show on MSNBC and thinks

00:24:32.300 the point right now is why is the vice president in Poland? Because there are a lot of white supremacists,

00:24:37.940 according to her, in Poland. You know, I heard that. I got really angry because

00:24:44.380 these people are so arrogant and they're so ignorant. Poland was created and destroyed four

00:24:51.300 times in the last two centuries. During World War II, Hitler killed three million and a half Jews on

00:24:59.180 Polish soil. And he killed a million Poles on Polish soil. And after fighting the Germans and losing 60,000

00:25:08.880 people in September 1939, they turned around and they fought. The Soviets came in and helped Hitler

00:25:14.740 and they lost another 40,000. They got 20,000 officers killed, executed by Soviets in the Caitlin

00:25:21.380 Force. And then it was all over. And all of Western Europe had freedom. We pretty much cut a deal with

00:25:27.760 Stalin and said, sorry, you're not quite where we are that we can protect you. So you're going to be

00:25:32.380 in the Soviet orbit. Then they endured 50 years of the Warsaw Pact. They have suffered more than

00:25:38.840 that host could ever imagine. You know, that's another thing, not to get off topic, but so many people

00:25:44.920 that say they're marginalized, they grew up in the era. I'm not saying that there is not discrimination,

00:25:51.100 but they didn't grow up in the era of Jim Crow or slavery or they grew up in the era of affirmative action.

00:25:59.620 And they have some, we created this last 30 years as oppressive and everybody doesn't suffer like

00:26:07.360 they do. And the Poles are these white people. They have no idea what Poland has suffered. It's one of the

00:26:13.880 great tragedies in world history. And to say that about the Poles is really callous.

00:26:18.700 Well, it's like Joy Reid, who's out there saying, we're only interested in Ukraine because they have

00:26:23.060 white skin. And she too. So she doesn't care about these, I guess, Ukrainian women in the maternity

00:26:27.560 hospital being killed because they're white, who make absolutely no money at all. But she makes seven

00:26:33.280 figures a year, went to Harvard, and we're supposed to look at her as oppressed and care about

00:26:37.640 her complaints about our country. But as soon as we look at Ukraine and have some sympathy for what

00:26:42.620 we're seeing, some empathy, we're racists because we only care because they're white.

00:26:47.140 I can tell you that living in a Mexican-American community, that this entire obsession with race

00:26:53.660 is being replaced by class. I think 50% of the Mexican-American vote will go conservative.

00:27:01.180 I think a lot of people are saying, you know what, I have more affinity with people who work like I do

00:27:06.820 than people who are black or brown or white, if they match my particular racial matrix that are

00:27:13.800 very in this woke elite that run the country. And so I think that we're going to see people say to

00:27:20.720 people like Joy Reid, you're an elite. I don't care what color you are. You're an arrogant elite.

00:27:25.340 You're a snob. You're condescending. And that could apply to a poor black person, a poor brown person,

00:27:31.460 but also a poor white person. You've had far more privilege in your 10 years on the screen than

00:27:37.340 a forklift driver in Tulare, who happens to be poor white product of the Oklahoma diaspora. So I think

00:27:43.840 we need to get back to that and bring reality. And what I don't understand, just to get off on race

00:27:50.200 very quickly, is that in the news, just every week, but this week it was an African-American person

00:27:56.440 threw down a retired nurse down the steps and then threw her down again. And then we had another

00:28:03.220 African-American young man beat up, 120 times hit an Asian-American elderly woman. And I don't have

00:28:11.560 any problem not talking about these as emblematic of race, but they in Black Lives Matter and others see

00:28:19.060 every single racial incident as race. Even when it's not, whether it's Kyle Riddlehouse, it's not,

00:28:27.820 but they ignore Waukesha, which was. So my point is, at some point, if somebody says white privilege,

00:28:35.400 white privilege, and collectively generalizing stereotypes, an entire 240 million people,

00:28:41.000 somebody else is going to say, okay, so individuals are representative of group values.

00:28:49.540 When, or Joy Reid or Al Sharpton say to the young Black male urban community, you've got to stop

00:28:57.500 killing each other. And your rates of interracial violence are about four times more likely that

00:29:05.960 you're the perpetrator than the victim, even though you make up 15% of the population.

00:29:11.000 And of course, to say what I just said is considered racist, but everybody is thinking

00:29:15.780 that. Glenn Lowry has been saying this. Glenn Lowry, brilliant, you know, Black professor,

00:29:20.280 Brown, he's been making this point over and over saying, could we just not start this? Because

00:29:26.160 we're not going to like where this goes. This is not the way to argue for, you know, equality or equity,

00:29:32.340 what these Black Lives Matter activists claim to want. So, you know, you're, you're in very good

00:29:36.580 company and making the point. I think it's just suicidal for people to say that I have no

00:29:42.840 individuality. I'm just a small Tesla and a big racial mosaic. And then if people do that,

00:29:49.980 then everything in that mosaic is culpable and can be criticized as it represents, you know,

00:29:56.720 a group mentality, because that's what they're doing with other groups, but they'd never think

00:30:00.760 it's going to reverberate back on them. And it used to in a racist country that we were in the

00:30:05.540 40s and 50s. That's what we wanted to get away with by saying all Blacks are the same. And we got

00:30:10.600 over that. And now we're going to, we're kind of saying, well, all whites are the same. They have to

00:30:14.780 confess their privilege, but boy, that's going to boomerang and we're going to go back and it's not

00:30:19.760 going to be good. And everybody's afraid to say something. But I think finally, the sheer weight of

00:30:25.420 these examples of these terrible attacks, especially on Asian Americans, and we're not

00:30:30.260 able to say that you look at the statistics in particular cities, they're preponderantly

00:30:35.440 African-American males attacking female Asians. And it's not a good thing to just keep quiet about it.

00:30:43.960 Yeah, you can't keep quiet about it. And it has ramifications, as we just discussed,

00:30:48.340 domestically, internationally, not to mention, it's just wrong. So you have to speak up no matter what

00:30:54.260 they say, no matter what they call you, you'll be in good company when they call you the terrible

00:30:57.800 names, because there's plenty who they've unleashed on. I don't care about what this

00:31:02.140 cross woman says on the weekends, but she's fun to make fun of. All right, listen, Victor,

00:31:07.780 it's always a pleasure. I'm so glad you were here. Thank you for coming on.

00:31:11.040 Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:31:13.020 Coming up, Adam Carolla is here. Don't miss that.

00:31:24.260 We always have a good time with our pal, Adam Carolla, host of The Adam Carolla Show,

00:31:29.140 as well as host of Truth Yeller on The Daily Wire. Love that. Welcome back, Adam. Good to have you.

00:31:34.740 Good to see you, Megan. Sorry, I'm in my car, LA traffic, daughter's doctor appointment this

00:31:42.720 morning. So we're flying by the seat of our pants.

00:31:45.900 Oh, if you are going to watch this later to the audience, you've got to see this because Adam's

00:31:49.940 literally showing us himself driving. His poor daughter got roped into this. Sweetheart, I'm

00:31:54.860 sorry. So much to go over, and I'm very glad you're here. Can we just start? Let's start with

00:32:03.480 sports. Okay, because Tom Brady had a fake retirement, as it turned out. And I said to my

00:32:11.460 husband, Doug, this reminds me of when someone throws their own funeral before they die, just

00:32:16.760 that they get to hear all the nice things about themselves before they actually exit screen

00:32:21.560 left. And so what do you make of the fact that he fake retired? I don't know. It feels it feels

00:32:28.860 kind of on Tom Brady, like Tom Brady stands for so much integrity. And this feels like the opposite

00:32:36.500 of that. Like this, this is something Cher would do, you know, retire, you know, have a farewell

00:32:42.260 concert tour for 11 years in a row. Right. So this is much more Cher than it is Tom Brady.

00:32:50.000 Well, I love it because it's like Giselle got blamed when he retired saying it's her fault.

00:32:55.040 You know, they, they called her Yoko Ono, that kind of thing. And now that he's going to play again,

00:33:00.520 people are like, he played, he spent two months at home with his wife and kids and was like,

00:33:04.240 forget this. I'm going back to work. You can't win. Well, how can it, first off, you know, Yoko

00:33:12.260 got with John Lennon and the Beatles broke up 10 minutes later. This guy's put in 23 seasons.

00:33:19.640 How could she possibly be the Brazilian Yoko? And secondly, if he did leave football to spend

00:33:27.520 more time with Giselle and you can't understand that, there's something wrong with you. It's not,

00:33:33.140 it's not Tom Brady that has the problem. Also, they're living in a 13,000 square foot home.

00:33:40.620 If you don't want to see your wife every minute of every day, you can just go to the racquetball court

00:33:48.140 and drink a beer. It's a good point. You got, you got options. Well, it'll be exciting to see him

00:33:53.460 come back. And hopefully his last game, if it's this next season will be a winning game.

00:33:58.520 That's probably right. I think that the last game of this past season was a losing game.

00:34:03.360 Okay. So let's, let's keep it in the world of sports because something's going on with Kyrie Irving.

00:34:08.640 Something weird. I mean, basically Kyrie Irving is allowed to watch the games of his own team

00:34:16.660 as a fan, but he cannot play in the games because he's considered a New York city worker. He's his

00:34:26.000 workplace is in New York city, the Brooklyn Nets right now. Is he, is he new Brooklyn Nets?

00:34:31.420 Yes. Okay. He's Brooklyn Nets. And so since he hasn't been vaccinated, he's not allowed to play

00:34:37.380 inside of that arena. But if he wanted to attend as a fan, that would be no problem because he's not a

00:34:43.380 worker, even if he's not vaccinated, this is the boneheaded place that our weird vaccine rules have

00:34:48.840 gotten us. And, um, I guess Kevin Durant, who's also a basketball player for the Brooklyn Nets

00:34:54.620 said, mayor Adams is basically just looking for some attention because this looks so stupid, uh,

00:35:01.740 and absurd. Uh, here's, here's Kevin Durant defending Kyrie Irving.

00:35:07.940 At this point now, somebody is trying to make a statement or a point, um, to flex their

00:35:13.160 authority. Um, but you know, everybody out here looking for attention and that's what I feel like

00:35:19.640 the, the mayor wants right now, some attention, you know? Um, but he'll figure it out soon. He

00:35:25.940 better, you know, people didn't understand what was going on, but now it just looks stupid. So

00:35:29.820 hopefully Eric, you, you got to figure this out. Yeah. You got to figure this out. What do you think

00:35:34.780 of it? Sorry, just hit a pothole. Um, look, nothing is consistent about this entire COVID

00:35:45.600 era, right? You know, wear your mask in the airport, wear it in the plane. Here's some Fiesta

00:35:52.000 mix. Go ahead and take your mask off while you eat the Fiesta mix. Now put your mask back on.

00:35:57.240 I mean, the list goes on and on and on. You need to get vaccinated, even though I'm vaccinated and you

00:36:04.600 need to get vaccinated, protect you from me or be from you. It's all been one circle talk. And I have

00:36:13.220 a theory behind the things that don't make sense, which is to say, if you want to control somebody

00:36:22.340 and you want to exact your power and authority over somebody, ask them to do things that make

00:36:28.380 sense. That's not really you using your power and authority. So, you know, when the state says

00:36:35.200 you need to wear your seatbelt when you're operating your motor vehicle, that that's authority, but it

00:36:41.960 also lives in some reality and it makes sense and it doesn't make them dictators. But if the state says

00:36:49.200 when you're walking in your neighborhood and you pass a flagpole, you have to circle it three times

00:36:55.440 before you can go on, then that's true authority. It doesn't make sense. And what they're doing in

00:37:03.720 the states that want the most power is the things that make the least sense because it means they have

00:37:10.620 the most dominion over their populace. Right. This makes absolutely no sense. And this is actually

00:37:16.940 kind of a great case because it shows how nonsensical it is, because if you're not on the Brooklyn Nets

00:37:22.180 and you go to play at this arena and you see Kyrie Irving sitting on the bench because he can't play

00:37:28.520 because he's he's an employee in New York City, he's sitting on the bench. And let's say you're

00:37:32.900 an unvaccinated player from some other team outside of New York City. You're allowed to play

00:37:38.980 that. That's OK. The New York City rule says players from other teams that don't work in New York City

00:37:44.660 full time that they're OK coming into the arena. But if you happen to be so it's absurd, right?

00:37:50.020 The unvaccinated, if he has like a purple jersey on, he can play, but not Kyrie Irving because he

00:37:55.260 technically works in New York City. Well, I was just watching the Ivy League basketball

00:38:01.540 playoffs the last weekend and everyone.

00:38:06.620 The stands was wearing a mask. Everyone on the bench was wearing a mask. The rest were wearing a mask.

00:38:13.080 But the players, the ones spitting and grunting and sweating on each other, weren't wearing masks.

00:38:19.320 It's all theater. I mean, they closed down outdoor dining in Los Angeles. They closed down the parks.

00:38:24.700 They bulldozed the skate park so the kids couldn't skateboard outside. They took down the nets at the

00:38:31.560 beach for outdoor volleyball, vitamin D, exercise, the best thing you could do for COVID. None of it

00:38:38.360 made any sense. This is just the last of the part that doesn't make sense.

00:38:44.260 And in L.A., I'm sure you know, they've just announced that the mask mandate for the kids

00:38:49.100 is staying up and operable until the end of the year. They're not taking it down.

00:38:54.700 Yes. Thank you, L.A. Unified School District. And thank you, teachers unions. They're a bunch

00:39:01.300 of cowards. And here's the other thing, too, and hypocrites. And there is no science to what

00:39:06.680 they're doing. But I want you to remember this phrase, Megan, because you say the kids, the kids,

00:39:14.800 the kids, the mask. Why? Why? Why? Why can the adults go anywhere? Why? You can go maskless in a

00:39:22.160 movie theater, an arena, concert event, Trader Joe's. Why? Why the kids? And why the emphasis

00:39:28.380 on the kids? This hasn't been dangerous for kids. We've known this. This kills sick people,

00:39:35.600 old people, obese people, comorbidity people. It doesn't ostensibly affect kids. They're in the

00:39:45.020 safest category. So why drilling down on the kids? Why the constant conversation about the category

00:39:51.560 of people this ostensibly doesn't affect? Well, just remember this phrase, Megan,

00:39:58.680 crate training. You cannot train a dog when it's middle age. You've got to get them when they're

00:40:04.380 puppies and get them trained up and into that crate. And that's what we're doing with kids,

00:40:09.620 because this will not be the last emergency. It'll not be the last time the government and

00:40:16.980 the governor and the mayor need to exact their power. And so let's get the kids into the crate.

00:40:23.320 Let's get them coached up. And then they'll be ours. We can do whatever we want with them after

00:40:27.980 that. They'll listen to anything. You're right. They'll be good subjects. That's why, you know,

00:40:33.320 it was important, I think, during this pandemic as it rolled on and on to sort of speak to your

00:40:39.620 absurd how it is a time to fight. It crossed over from a time to comply and to see what's what at

00:40:45.340 the very beginning, which everyone did. The whole country did that willingly. People lost entire

00:40:49.100 businesses out of concern for others and because they were going to be compliant, not just the one

00:40:53.780 jerk who said, I'm doing it. And then bit by bit, people got to the end of their rope or their

00:40:59.300 breaking point earlier than others. But eventually, most of the country, even Democrats, got to the

00:41:04.000 point of realizing this is nonsense and it's a time to fight. OK, let's talk about in the world

00:41:10.900 of sports still, Naomi Osaka. My old pal, Naomi Osaka, is making headlines again. So she played

00:41:18.740 at the Indian Wells tournament, which is out by you. This is in California. So I think Palm Springs

00:41:24.160 by there. And lo and behold, Adam, I mean, you're a stand up comedian. You ever get heckled? Anybody

00:41:30.700 ever yell anything not nice at you? Yeah, this is the longest I've actually ever went

00:41:37.300 speaking in front of my daughter without her heckling me.

00:41:43.440 She's going to step it up. She just pulled a tomato out of her backpack.

00:41:48.380 We may have an issue here.

00:41:50.200 Well, most of us in the public eye, whether we're news journalists or comedians or professional

00:41:57.300 athletes, have had to face a heckler a time or two. And one person in the stands at Indian Wells

00:42:04.920 yelled out at Naomi Osaka, you suck. So what did she do? Did she keep playing? Did she, you know,

00:42:10.900 was she the consummate professional? No. She went over to the umpire and asked if she could have

00:42:17.400 the microphone. This is in the middle of the match to address the heckler. So the umpire says,

00:42:24.560 you got to be out of your mind. No, you are not getting the microphone to try to manage a heckler

00:42:30.440 in the middle of a match and sway the crowd basically over to your side in the middle of

00:42:34.680 this match, which would not be fair to your opponent. So no, you can go back to the court

00:42:38.400 and play the game. And that's that. So she did. She went back, she played the game and she lost.

00:42:44.360 Um, and the, she went back and wanted to try again and said, I lost the match, but I want to speak.

00:42:51.680 And at this point they gave it to her. And so she goes on about how the reason it was so upsetting

00:42:57.340 to her is because she had just watched, I don't know if it was a Netflix special or the movie about

00:43:01.640 Serena and Venus. And it was at Indian Wells 20 plus years ago that they were heckled Venus and

00:43:08.420 Serena and their dad. And, you know, it really affected her. And, you know, she doesn't want to

00:43:13.360 be heckled at Indian Wells. And it was very emotional for her. Meanwhile, it's like, okay, what happened

00:43:18.000 with Venus and Serena had absolutely nothing to do with you. Absolutely nothing to do with you.

00:43:21.820 It was if something had happened, you know, as I say, two decades ago in which Venus claimed she

00:43:26.320 was injured and couldn't play Serena in the semifinals match. And the crowd was mad because

00:43:29.700 they believed that the dad, the controlling dad had orchestrated it so that Serena could be

00:43:34.100 guaranteed a spot in the finals. And like, it was basically Venus letting her sister shine,

00:43:39.500 you know, move on and have them. And the fan, I don't know whether it's true or not,

00:43:42.040 but the fans believed it. And that's why they booed them. And Serena later came out and said,

00:43:47.040 oh, it was it was like a lynching. All these older white people, you know, rich people yelling down

00:43:53.380 at me and my sister and booing. And they refused to play there for some, I don't know, a decade plus

00:43:58.360 as a result, the sisters. Anyway, Naomi Osaka decides to launch in this big thing about trying

00:44:04.540 compare one person yelling, you suck to that in tears and blah. And to me, Adam, it's like even

00:44:12.460 Nadal came out rough on Nadal and was like, look, I have sympathy for her. But the players have to be

00:44:17.060 ready for hecklers. It's part of being a professional athlete or comedian, etc. Your thoughts.

00:44:26.020 Well, you know, if you're going to put yourself out there, then you're putting yourself out there.

00:44:31.020 You're doing what you do in front of a crowd. Again, you know, comedians, singers, performers,

00:44:36.260 tennis players, golfers, like whatever that is. The problem is we need to, and I'm just going to

00:44:45.820 drop my daughter off now and continue my journey with you. So it's uninterrupted.

00:44:51.320 Goodbye, my dear.

00:44:52.580 Try to do that. All right. Say bye. I'll see you in a few.

00:44:56.920 So now I'm going to attempt to turn around and finish this. So what we've done is we've decided

00:45:11.500 for young people that we need to remove all gravity from their world and from their life. You know, my

00:45:19.480 kid, my son came home from school the other day and just showed me a picture of a screenshot of a whole

00:45:26.160 symposium they did on what if somebody says something and it's a joke, but it doesn't feel

00:45:32.600 like it's a joke. How should you feel and what should you do? And what if the person said it was

00:45:37.540 a joke, but your feelings are still hurt? And it's like, hey, we're taking astronauts. We're putting

00:45:45.400 them up in the space station for six months and they're losing all their muscle mass and bone density

00:45:51.540 because they're living in a zero gravity environment. You've got to get some gravity in your life.

00:45:57.400 That's going to be some bumps and some bruises, some people who disagree with you, some criticism,

00:46:02.600 some critiques. How the hell are we going to grow? This self-esteem movement and trying to raise these

00:46:09.200 kids in a terrarium so that, you know, no out. And it's all up there. It's the same physically.

00:46:15.640 It's the same with your immune system. You know, wear double masks, wipe everything with Purell,

00:46:21.700 wipe down every counter, disinfect everything. You're making weak kids. You're making them

00:46:28.080 biologically. They're weak with the immune system because now they're allergic to everything and hay

00:46:35.100 fever and all that stuff because there's nothing to push back against. There's nothing to fight against.

00:46:39.860 And that's what's happening psychologically as well.

00:46:44.320 Mm hmm. I mean, the thought that, you know, she was somehow victimized by one person yelling

00:46:50.560 something at her or she needed to share her trauma with this audience is really indicative of that

00:46:56.980 mindset. You're exactly right. Like we've all had people get in our faces. Public figures are not

00:47:01.400 public figures. You've had somebody undermining you or calling you a name. And most of us just try to

00:47:07.340 stay classy, forge forward and not take it on. Just do the job you've been paid to do.

00:47:13.760 Only like this set of new age victims and victim lovers wants to make a thing out of it. Yes,

00:47:21.340 I've been victimized. Let me tell you how it makes me feel. Let me tell you what it brings up for me

00:47:25.740 and the places that it took. Just could you just play tennis? Just get back on the court and play the

00:47:31.120 game just like your opponent is doing, who undoubtedly was heckled to by one person.

00:47:36.780 Mm hmm. Well, all roads lead to narcissism. That's something that I've really been thinking

00:47:43.520 about lately. And it's it's a very narcissistic endeavor to stop. But also, here's the thing.

00:47:51.320 If I was playing tennis and someone yelled, I suck, I might stop and think maybe I'm not that good at

00:47:59.300 tennis. Like, first off would be, does that person have a valid point? Second thought would be, I'm

00:48:05.620 getting paid. I must do my job. I'm not allowed to stop and address things. As you said, I've been

00:48:13.360 on stage in the middle thousand times. Yeah, I've talked to, you know, many drunken people I hear out

00:48:19.860 in the audience, you know, talking to their wives or texting on their phone or whatever. Fine. It's a

00:48:26.100 couple of people. And then there's 300 other people that want to see my act. So you must be

00:48:32.520 a professional and for John. It's like tennis, like a lot of these sports is a very mental game.

00:48:39.600 And the thought that she would, you know, that she would think it's appropriate to go over and

00:48:44.400 address the crowd via microphone, the umpire's microphone in the middle to try to win the crowd

00:48:48.180 back over or silence the hecklers, who I agree are rude, but it's part of sport is just it is

00:48:55.420 narcissistic. It's like, why would they allow that? I'm sure your opponent, who seems like a very nice

00:48:59.460 person, doesn't really want you having a private moment with the crowd right now. Her name is

00:49:04.720 Veronica Kudermatova. And by the way, Naomi was defeated in straight sets. She actually hasn't

00:49:14.200 been doing very well. She, of course, wouldn't play in the French Open because she didn't want

00:49:19.280 to deal with the press. There was another time where she wanted the rules bent for her, just for

00:49:23.040 her. Everyone else has to deal with the press, but she didn't want to have to deal with them. She

00:49:26.360 said that it was annoying. And then she claimed mental health. She missed Wimbledon. She came in third

00:49:32.080 round, third round loss, I should say, at the U.S. Open. And she went from being number one to number

00:49:36.400 78 in the world. So whatever she's going through, she should she's working out with her therapist and

00:49:41.240 not with the crowd and not with the umpire's microphone. That's my two cents. Now, speaking of

00:49:46.040 heckling. Also, just just to put a button on that. Speaking of the press, you know, I remember when she

00:49:54.260 dropped out and everyone rushed to her defense, you know, and I think everyone is sympathetic to

00:50:03.260 emotional and mental issues. On the other hand, making someone into a martyr or a hero because

00:50:11.380 they pull out of a tennis tournament. I don't think that's quite the right answer. And I don't think

00:50:17.500 she was served by this. I think there's plenty of room. And anyone is a who's a parent knows it

00:50:25.300 for someone going, hey, get back up on that horse. Here we go. You get paid a lot of money.

00:50:31.100 Suck it up. Rub some dirt on it. We got a game to play. I think I'm right. I think she got worse as

00:50:39.980 more people went, oh, my God, what's wrong? Like, oh, my God, what's wrong? Are you OK? You should sit

00:50:45.140 down. So I don't think she was served by that. Pardon the pun. Well, and nicely done. Well,

00:50:54.080 when what she said originally on that whole withdrawal from the French Open and, you know,

00:50:58.480 she didn't want to deal with the press, she said she found the press annoying. She said that they

00:51:02.740 get in your head by asking you questions about why you can't play so well on clay. Clearly, this woman

00:51:09.360 has a problem with letting her critics rent space in her head. That doesn't mean she's got a mental

00:51:16.120 health issue. It means she's one of those athletes who's got to work harder with a sports psychiatrist

00:51:21.700 or psychologist or what have you to try to tune out the negative haters, the doubters, which can affect

00:51:27.440 you in any profession, but in particular in professional sports. It doesn't mean all the rules

00:51:33.020 of professional sports have to be changed to accommodate your problem like you therefore don't

00:51:39.580 have to do the press conferences and you therefore get to address the hecklers right in the middle of

00:51:44.420 the match because you have an inability to tune them out. That's not how life works. They don't change

00:51:50.280 all the rules just to accommodate you and this particular weakness that you may have. Part of the

00:51:55.300 test of professional sports is whether you can perform under extreme conditions, a lot of stress

00:52:00.860 with hecklers, with jerks in the media, all of that, right? Like I can see just in my role, all of that

00:52:06.800 goes into it because honestly, in what I do, there's a factor of that too. You know, I remember after that

00:52:12.380 one presidential debate with Trump where he was most unhappy about my question on the women, he was walking

00:52:17.400 out of the arena. I was there doing live interviews and he, you know, the next president of the United States,

00:52:22.160 he was the number one in the GOP field at the time, was literally yelling at me from 10 feet away while I'm

00:52:27.360 doing the live broadcast. Megyn Kelly is not nice. She's no good, right? Like I'm like, what the hell

00:52:34.480 is going on? But did, did I, did I fall apart? Did I say, I want to address Mr. Trump right now? That's

00:52:41.740 not fair. No, I just did my job. That's what we get paid to do. That's what, you know, that's what

00:52:49.920 everyone gets paid to do. I mean, you know, roofers and, uh, you know, captains of battleships,

00:52:58.080 you know, it's like you, you, you choose a profession, you get, you get paid and that's,

00:53:04.240 uh, that's how it works. Yeah. And you don't ask for a bunch of special exceptions. Okay. Yeah. I want

00:53:09.780 to talk to you about, um, Sam Elliott getting called the B word for making fun of this new Western

00:53:14.580 and the view saying that criticism of Kamala Harris is racist. Okay. We're going to pick

00:53:21.940 it up there. Don't go away much more with Adam Carolla. Okay. Adam. So, um, I, I grabbed part

00:53:34.780 of this soundbite from my pal Dave Rubin, who was going off on it on his show, which I also enjoy.

00:53:38.960 And, um, Kamala Harris, as you know, has been sent to solve the war in Ukraine and, uh, um, it's not

00:53:46.780 really going that well. Actually, the truth is that even the white house, it was like, she's not

00:53:50.000 going over to solve anything. We're just kind of sending her over there. And, um, she's been doing

00:53:54.440 her weird cackle and making sort of weird, inappropriate responses to questions when asked.

00:54:01.140 Actually, here's just a little sample of it. And then I'll get to what the view said. Listen to know if

00:54:06.200 you think, and if you asked the United States to specifically accept more refugees.

00:54:13.880 Okay.

00:54:17.700 A friend in need is a friend in need.

00:54:24.600 Okay. So this time

00:54:26.440 So I will say what I know we all say, and I will say over and over again, the United States

00:54:38.720 stands firmly with the Ukrainian people in defense of the NATO alliance.

00:54:45.840 Ukraine, not part of NATO. It's kind of one of the issues that they're fighting over.

00:54:49.680 Okay. So, uh, fair game for criticism under any rational person's view. But here, speaking of

00:54:55.760 the view is, um, there's a guest host and then there's Sunny Hostin responding. Listen,

00:55:02.320 I don't know that it's about her laughing. Cause I agree. I think that would be very inappropriate

00:55:05.600 and that that's something that they do to women. I think that she has gone on multiple occasions,

00:55:10.360 a little bit underprepared with, with some of the questions that she's been asked. Lester Holt

00:55:14.800 asked her a pretty basic question that she couldn't answer. So I don't know if it's a staff thing.

00:55:19.020 She's not prepared enough. Perhaps she's not expecting the questions. I don't know what it

00:55:23.180 is, but I think that's the issues. It's just like the fourth or fifth time.

00:55:26.300 What it is, is that they constantly question the qualifications of black women. And that's

00:55:30.620 why people are saying that she's unprepared. Oh, I disagree. I think you can disagree,

00:55:34.940 but that's the truth of it. And so this is based in racism. This is based in misogyny.

00:55:39.580 And we're talking about a woman that has extensive experience, um, abroad,

00:55:45.180 extensive experience as an attorney, expensive, extensive experience as, as the chief legal

00:55:51.100 officer of, of one of our largest States in the country. And I think this is just much ado about

00:55:56.860 nothing. I mean, we didn't talk about vice president Pence's, uh, the right didn't talk

00:56:01.420 about his handling of the COVID epidemic, which I think, or the AIDS epidemic, which I think led to,

00:56:06.540 you know, thousands and thousands of deaths. And what we, what they're talking about is,

00:56:10.140 is, is, is her laugh. She was there, um, as an emissary really. And she wanted to reassure the

00:56:16.060 NATO allies that, uh, that as Russia steps up its tax on Ukraine, that the United States was going to

00:56:22.620 be supportive. In fact, she's in, I think Bulgaria right now. She is prepared. She is seasoned, um, abroad.

00:56:29.500 She, she gets wonderful marks across the board, but this is just something that I think happens

00:56:34.620 to women and especially black women, Adam, your take on it. Well, look, uh, I don't, I don't get

00:56:41.260 the rules. So are the rules that, so we're not, so we can elect someone to the second highest, uh,

00:56:49.340 or appoint someone to the second highest office in the land. And then if she speaks gibberish,

00:56:56.140 but is black, then we can't have a critique of that person because that's, that's racism. So

00:57:02.460 according to Sonny Hostra, or, or however last pronounced, we, Hostin, we're not allowed to

00:57:10.300 critique anybody of color, no matter how poor their performances or whatever the stakes are

00:57:17.580 and whatever they're pointed to. Cause that's not, it seems like those are her rules.

00:57:24.220 Yeah. Well, what she's saying is that in, I guess that in particular, you know, the cackle,

00:57:29.500 the response, the response to her weird laughter at every turn, you know, it happens to women,

00:57:34.460 you know who it used to happen to Hillary Clinton. These are both politicians who put themselves out

00:57:39.980 there. And if you have a weird cackle or like a knee jerk response of laughter to difficult or tense

00:57:46.700 situations as a politician, people will see a pattern and you will get mocked for it,

00:57:52.460 no matter what you have between your legs. Yeah, I, I concur, but it's also this, you know,

00:58:00.780 it's, it's, so let's just look at it as a more of a macro than a, than a micro here, which is,

00:58:09.500 so we're in this era where you can announce, um, as a feeble old president, Joe Biden,

00:58:19.500 I'm going to make the person that's a heartbeat away from the oval office. I am going to pick

00:58:26.540 a woman of color. So I'm, I'm, I'm not going to choose the person that I think is, you know,

00:58:34.140 best suited to run the country. I'm going to narrow it down to this group. And then I'm going to

00:58:41.660 nominate that person, or I'm going to have that person be my VP. And then if she's incompetent,

00:58:49.500 whether it be Ukraine or the border or her crazy answers, you know, Lester Holt asking her if she's

00:58:56.540 been to the border and her saying, I've been to the border and then switching it to, um, we've been

00:59:02.280 to the border and then the most, but you know what, you know, what people don't really drill down on,

00:59:08.040 on that particular exchange with Lester Holt is she said, she sat down for an interview. So,

00:59:15.020 sorry, we're just listening to the ladies from the view. And she's, they said, maybe she's not

00:59:20.420 being prepared well enough for these interviews. She did an interview with Lester Holt. And he said,

00:59:27.380 have you been to the border? And she was completely flummoxed. What kind of preparation does that take?

00:59:34.660 Yeah. So, but here's the thing that was most telling about that. He said, have you been to

00:59:42.040 the border? She said, you know, we've been to the border, then you've been to the border.

00:59:45.940 But the most telling part about that is at the end when she said, and I haven't been to Europe

00:59:52.080 either. And then she went, well, I don't get what this is. Like, what, what are you saying? Like,

00:59:57.000 I'm confused. You're confused by a reporter asking if you've been to the border when you were made the

01:00:04.080 border czar. You shouldn't be confused by that. She's not up to the challenge, but the new rules

01:00:10.900 are, we will appoint someone based on their gender, their sexual proclivities, their heritage,

01:00:19.680 whether they're man or woman. We'll do that. And then if they don't perform, you're not allowed

01:00:26.820 to critique them. That's basically what the ladies from the view think, which is a recipe for disaster.

01:00:34.280 That's true equity. You can get the job because of your skin color or your lady parts, but then you

01:00:40.200 are inoculated against any criticism because you get to play the skin card or the gender card

01:00:46.780 whenever anyone tries it. So it's a, both a sword and a shield. It works out so perfectly,

01:00:52.700 but by the way, it only works if you're a Democrat. Just FYI, don't try that if you're a Republican.

01:00:58.300 By the way, the short, the sword and the shield is a good kind of euphemism for the man parts versus

01:01:04.940 the lady parts as I think about it. The shield, I don't, I'm going to leave that alone. I had

01:01:12.640 something to say, but I'll, I'll say it privately to you or my husband at another date. Okay. Okay.

01:01:18.380 Let's move on. Before we leave the news entirely. Can we just spend one minute on this? MSNBC

01:01:23.720 apparently, according to Keith Olbermann was trying to hire him to take over for the semi-retiring

01:01:31.520 Rachel Maddow. I mean, she's semi-retiring, but she's getting $30 million a year. So it's a pretty

01:01:35.320 good deal. She's just not going to do her nightly show every night. She's going to do documentaries or

01:01:40.360 something nobody wants to watch. Um, so she's, her shows up for grabs and Keith Olbermann is on

01:01:47.040 the record now saying that I was in talks for that. They wanted to hire me. And the only reason

01:01:52.640 the talks fell apart, uh, is Rachel Maddow didn't want it. He was her mentor, but this guy, he's been

01:01:59.620 fired. He was fired by MSNBC. He was fired multiple times by ESPN. He was fired by current TV. Um,

01:02:06.840 he keeps getting fired over and over and they actually were getting ready to put him back on

01:02:11.300 the air. Apparently she's the only reason it didn't happen. Yeah. I always try to think about

01:02:17.380 guys like Keith Olbermann, like from a psychodynamic standpoint, because he says things that are insane,

01:02:25.820 but he's clearly bright. Yeah. I mean, he says things that are insane,

01:02:32.580 but he's not a dumb person. You know, I'm curious and maybe COVID has made me think this way, like

01:02:41.920 epidemiologists, doctors, politicians doing patently insane things and saying insane things and wanting

01:02:51.460 America to do insane things, but yet clearly educated and clearly bright and clearly articulate.

01:02:58.160 It's kind of scary, isn't it? That there's so many smart people that say dumb and insane things out

01:03:05.180 there. Yes. Well, being smart is no requirement to getting on MSNBC. That's obvious. Rachel Maddow

01:03:11.040 is smart, but completely misled her audience for two years over Russiagate and never took any

01:03:16.220 responsibility for it. But, you know, we talked earlier in the program about this. What's her first

01:03:22.120 name? Anyway, her last name is Cross and she it has a show on the weekends. And she was she was

01:03:28.180 criticizing Kamala Harris for going to Poland because she says it's full of white supremacists.

01:03:32.560 So that's the cross lady. Then there's Joy Reid, who's out there, you know, every other night,

01:03:38.040 everything's through a prism of race. We can't feel for the people in Ukraine because that's our

01:03:40.880 that's our white supremacy, identifying with white people. So this I mean, the MSNBC line of can you

01:03:47.420 imagine Keith Olbermann, these other two gals, Nicole Wallace, the fake Republican who's still

01:03:53.080 trading off of the, you know, stint she had under under the Bush administration in which she gave us,

01:03:57.620 you know, Sarah Palin, just that the network is collapsing. Its ratings are terrible. And there's

01:04:05.760 a reason why. And to the fact that this is linked to the NBC brand and they do nothing about it,

01:04:10.780 says a lot about the mothership as well.

01:04:13.640 Yeah, you wonder if a lot of these people in these news outlets, first off, they have no

01:04:22.000 ability to pump the brakes or to even push in the clutch. It's always grab the next gear and speed

01:04:30.320 forward, you know, three years of Russian collusion. And then when the Mueller report came out,

01:04:37.240 that was your time to pump the brakes. That was the time to be intellectually honest. That was the time

01:04:42.560 to try to reconnect with your audience and say, you know, we do the best we can, but sometimes we make

01:04:48.540 mistakes. Or even something like Ivermectin and CNN and Sanjay Gupta, you know, go ahead and take one

01:04:56.780 for the team. Just pump the brakes. Let us know there's some intellectual honesty going on in your head

01:05:02.460 instead of going right back on the air and talking more about Ivermectin being horse-paced.

01:05:08.180 And it's why they're losing their audience. People don't believe them. I work with a lot

01:05:14.180 of young people. I say to them, if you heard something on CNN or MSNBC five, eight, 10 years

01:05:22.200 ago, would you believe it? They said, of course. And then I said, what about now? And they said,

01:05:27.160 no, I'd have to go investigate. You know, if I'd heard the can't say gay or Ivermectin or whatever

01:05:33.740 COVID news, it's like, I'd have to go online and figure out what was really going on.

01:05:38.480 That's exactly right.

01:05:39.240 That's a bad sign for a news, for a news organization. That's a bad sign.

01:05:44.820 Yeah. I mean, it used to be, and I'm not sure, but it used to be, we didn't want to be

01:05:48.680 misled on facts. We might want, might've wanted to get our worldview affirmed by the cable news

01:05:54.400 anchor we listened to, but we didn't want to be misinformed on the facts, right? You'd want to hear

01:05:59.620 them argued by someone articulate on your side, but not have fake news shoveled at you all day.

01:06:06.640 And we are well past that point. Okay. Let me, let me shift gears in. Cause I want to talk to you

01:06:12.560 about what's happening with Sam Elliott, like the ultimate cowboy in American media and American,

01:06:18.240 you know, films and so on. He's gotten into some weird fight with this very well-known director,

01:06:24.800 Jane Campion. And the story is, I understand it. Let me see. I'm going to check my notes here.

01:06:29.320 Okay. So she directed power of the dog, a Western film on Netflix in 2021,

01:06:35.260 which has been nominated for 12 Academy awards. Sam Elliott, again, he's like the Western guy.

01:06:42.340 He went on Mark Maron's WTF podcast and was asked if he had seen the film. Elliot said,

01:06:49.060 you want to talk about that piece of, and I can't say the word cause I'm not swearing for lent doing

01:06:53.760 very poorly, but trying. And here's just a bit of what he said that led to a fight with her.

01:06:59.320 That's what all these cowboys in that movie looked like. They're all running around in

01:07:05.820 chaps and no shirts. There's all these illusions of homosexuality throughout the movie. But what

01:07:13.900 does this woman from down there come? Oh, New Zealand, New Zealand, right? Know about

01:07:20.020 the American West? And why does she shoot this movie in New Zealand and call it Montana?

01:07:27.500 It's good. This movie say, this is the way it was.

01:07:30.680 So now she fires back at him saying, and by the way, he did say she's a brilliant director,

01:07:36.860 but she fires back saying he was being a B-I-T-C-H. She actually spelled it out. That wasn't

01:07:44.740 me. She said, he's not a cowboy. He's an actor. She says the West, the West, the West of the mythic

01:07:50.980 space. The West is a mythic space and there's a lot of room on the range and it's sexist. She says

01:07:57.720 of him to do this. She said she flatly views this as a slight against her as a female artist,

01:08:05.760 because there are others who have made Westerns in places other than Montana, like in Spain,

01:08:11.900 who are men. And she said, I consider myself a creator. I think he thinks of me as a woman or

01:08:17.040 something lesser first, and I don't appreciate it. So she played the woman card. Thoughts on it?

01:08:24.620 Well, I mean, again, sort of circling back to Kamala Harris, like you're going to put yourself

01:08:34.680 into these powerful positions. You're going to speak into microphones or create art. And then if

01:08:42.620 people don't like what you're saying or don't appreciate your art, then it's because you're a

01:08:48.700 woman or because you're a woman of color or whatever that is. It's untenable. So it simply means

01:08:55.300 if you're a director or if you're the vice president, you just do whatever you want to do.

01:09:02.500 And nobody can take any umbrage with any of your work, your art or any of your stances or what you've

01:09:10.540 said into a microphone. And it'll all be blamed on that. I've, you know, and look, I don't know if

01:09:19.000 they believe it. They've been convinced to believe it, or they're just playing a sort of card that's

01:09:26.840 convenient for them. But I've always said, as a white heterosexual male, my, my ultimate Dr. Drew

01:09:37.160 was calling me on the other line, by the way, the ultimate, the, I'll call him later, but the

01:09:44.560 comforts of man, he'll have thoughts on this too. The ultimate. I mean, the ultimate white privilege

01:09:52.880 is just never thinking someone is saying something about you because you're black or because you're

01:10:00.160 female or because you're homosexual. Um, I can assume that if you don't like my work, it's because

01:10:07.480 you don't like my, my work. It's a slippery slope. They will find it everywhere if they're looking for

01:10:14.780 it and they're all looking for it. So that's this woman, this director, Jane Campion. I mean, she,

01:10:21.420 you're exactly right. And there's further evidence of her seeing everything through the gender card,

01:10:27.360 the woman card. Um, and she, she got herself in trouble after this mix up with, with Sam Elliott

01:10:34.620 because she was at an event and Venus and Serena that back to them, they were there and she started

01:10:42.760 off by saying, you're awesome, Venus and Serena. But then she kind of played the woman card and like

01:10:48.920 how tough she's had it in her industry versus in tennis. We have it on tape, don't we? Yes. We have

01:10:53.180 the soundbite. Let's play it. Here's what she said that now she's getting hit for. You know,

01:10:59.620 Serena and Venus, you are such marbles. However, you do not play against the guys. Like I have to.

01:11:08.160 Okay. So now she's got a one up Venus and Serena who actually have played against guys many times

01:11:21.380 in mixed doubles. Hello. Um, she's, she's stronger. She's got it. Like, look at me. I've gone up against

01:11:29.180 the man in Hollywood and made it. And so somehow, I mean, like then she later had to apologize. Of

01:11:34.760 course, now she's mortified at what she did because she's getting all the blowback, but that she can't

01:11:39.880 take off the lenses. Everything's about gender. Well, not only that, but I mean, you know, first

01:11:47.040 off, all roads lead to narcissism. It's like, you know, every time Oprah gets up there and says,

01:11:54.320 you know, basically look how successful I am and look what I've had to overcome as a female,

01:12:00.640 as a female of color. Well, she's really just saying, I beat you guys on foot race with a

01:12:07.080 sprained ankle. Essentially look how much better I've had to be. Look, um, I, I work in Hollywood.

01:12:14.480 I have to deal with Netflix. Um, what do you think? I, here's a hypothetical. If there is a piece of

01:12:21.680 work, a documentary, a Western or whatever it is, and, um, Netflix has their choice between a director,

01:12:29.420 um, middle-aged, heterosexual, white male or female of color. They're going to give the nod

01:12:38.880 the female or the female of color single time and twice on Sunday. That's the town we live in. So

01:12:46.860 this notion that she's had to do battle over, you know, with males to get, you know, her Netflix deal

01:12:54.880 or her next, next Netflix project, I would argue that it's quite the opposite. You get, you are

01:13:01.360 immediately pushed to the front of the line. If you are something other than a heterosexual white

01:13:07.500 male. Well, that's the thing. So it's like, historically, it may not have been the case,

01:13:11.860 but present day, we all know the truth and they're not even making films. I mean, I have,

01:13:17.880 I know somebody who's in this industry who's been pitching shows and so on. And this person has told

01:13:23.140 me, you can't like, don't even bother pitching a show or an idea unless you've got, uh, like the

01:13:29.740 main, one of the main characters has to be black. There has to be a gay character. Somebody has to

01:13:34.060 be trained. Like you've got to have all the woke boxes checked. Um, and if you happen to be a white

01:13:39.560 guy doing the pitch, you better go in there with somebody who's, you know, connected with some

01:13:43.560 more, you know, traditionally marginalized group. I mean, it's absurd, right? So it's like,

01:13:49.040 okay, I get it. It may have been a struggle, but like where we are today is you have a much better

01:13:53.560 chance of getting your films made than some unknown white male. We all know that. Um, anyway. Okay.

01:13:59.400 So Adam, it's been a pleasure going with you on your family journey and I hope you're,

01:14:04.020 hope you're safe. Thank you for squeezing us in, in the middle of a busy day.

01:14:09.100 Uh, I love doing your show. I love you. And, uh, it's always a pleasure.

01:14:13.540 And I'm sorry for the family related to Nafu, but I think, I think we made lemonade out of

01:14:19.380 lemons. Nailed it. Uh, it's always great to be continued into the next time. Okay. Well,

01:14:24.780 you think that COVID's over, right? It's like, finally, the Democrats are starting to relent on

01:14:28.580 it. Guess again, because in New York city, they are still mandating masks on toddlers. Okay. On

01:14:34.760 toddlers. And New York is not alone in LA. They just announced they are not taking down the mask

01:14:39.620 mandate on the school children for the rest of the year. They're insane. Coming up next,

01:14:45.840 a dad and a lawyer who's fighting back in court. An interesting lawsuit. We'll tell you about it.

01:14:55.260 Children in the country's largest city can finally go maskless if they're five or older.

01:15:01.340 That's right. Toddlers are still toddlers are still being forced to mask up in New York city.

01:15:08.060 The mayor says it's about science and protecting our babies. But my next guest says enough is enough.

01:15:13.600 This is absurd. So he and other parents are suing now to end the so-called toddler mask mandate words.

01:15:21.780 I never thought I'd have to utter. Michael Chessa is a dad and an attorney, and he is the man behind

01:15:28.180 this lawsuit. Michael, how are you doing? Thank you so much for being here. I'm good, Megan. Thank

01:15:32.540 you. Thank you for having me. Good for you for doing something about it. I just had my,

01:15:36.280 one of my good friends who's been as outraged about the mask mandate as you and I have. She's

01:15:40.100 a New York city mom. You know that we celebrated the fact that our kids got unmasked. And the first

01:15:44.360 thing she said to me, and I said back to her was, well, we can't forget about the littles. We can't

01:15:48.380 just forge on without the littles, the ones who are, who need these things the least you must've been

01:15:52.820 infuriated when you heard he wasn't lifting it for them. I was, you know, my, my wife and I were

01:15:58.080 devastated. It's, and I'm not exaggerating. I think if you know, parents who have kids and

01:16:04.260 they want the choice to send their children to school without a mask, and it means something

01:16:08.600 to them like it does for so many of us, when mayor Adams announced that he was lifting the

01:16:13.900 mandate for everyone, but the littlest, we, we were, we were actually devastated. We really

01:16:18.960 were. Right. Because it's so easy for people to outside of New York to be like, well, pull

01:16:23.360 your kid, you know, don't send your, it's like the damage being done to kids from having

01:16:27.760 no school at all is severe too. There. And it's not that easy to just, oh, I'll just find a new

01:16:33.240 job and I'll move away right now. You know, it's, it's not that practical. Of course. And, and, you

01:16:38.400 know, now that I've gotten some engagement on Twitter and social media, there's also this line,

01:16:43.840 what about active shooter drills? Or what about the war in Ukraine? You know, people throw these

01:16:49.340 things that you, as if, as a parent, every single day, your child walking out of your house

01:16:54.780 is not maybe the most fundamental, important thing in your life. So it's, it's, it's a silly

01:17:00.220 game. But, you know, we're, we're, we, again, just want the choice for the parents, right? Megan,

01:17:06.240 we're not talking about anti-mask bills. We're not talking about banning masks. We're talking about

01:17:11.520 parental choice. Right. It's your, it should be your decision. What's best for your little one.

01:17:16.980 So tell me about your family situation, how many kids and how old.

01:17:20.060 So I have, we have three kids. I have a 15 year old son, a three-year-old daughter and a two-year-old

01:17:26.560 daughter. So we kind of have a mixed situation that happened when the masks came off my, my 15

01:17:33.920 year old. And yet I had to send my three-year-old to school. We've been frustrated the whole time for

01:17:39.680 the past couple of years. We've, we've gotten to know parents who are in our situation through some

01:17:44.960 great advocacy that's going on in the city. You know, Barry Weiss wrote an article you may have

01:17:49.600 seen called revenge of the COVID moms. I'm living that article. I don't need to read Barry, but

01:17:54.620 there you go. So we've been working with and, and kind of advocating for behind the scenes with a

01:18:00.560 lot of parents who feel the same way as we do. It's, it's something that is so fundamental to a

01:18:06.320 kid's life. And to think that my three-year-old for the past year, hasn't seen any of her teacher's

01:18:11.300 faces in full, hasn't seen her friend's faces in full. And it's still there right now, as we're

01:18:16.480 talking, sitting in class all day with a, with a cloth mask on her face. It's, it's infuriating.

01:18:22.420 So, you know, you hear this a lot. They don't complain, you know, they, they don't, they're

01:18:27.640 not complaining. It's the whiny parents who are complaining. And I thought you've, you've

01:18:31.720 been making a very good point on this, on this, um, argument.

01:18:34.660 Yeah. Thank you, Megan. It's, you know, at the beginning of my career, I was a prosecutor

01:18:40.160 at the Brooklyn DA's office. And when you deal with children, uh, they trust adults. They

01:18:46.640 are compliant beings by nature. They look to us for guidance. They don't come out questioning

01:18:53.360 things that we tell them to do. And having been a prosecutor, I've seen children suffer

01:18:58.420 some of the worst harms you can imagine. And they don't make a peep, right? They, they

01:19:03.660 go about their lives because that's the nature of a child. So those arguments that that it's

01:19:08.200 one of them that just the, the hair in the back of my neck stands up.

01:19:11.340 Yes. Inability to give voice to their distress does not mean there is no distress.

01:19:18.940 Yes. Perfectly put. It's, it's, it's infuriating.

01:19:23.460 It's maddening. Right. Exactly. And they just want to keep looking at us and telling us that

01:19:27.240 they know better. It's like, great. You do you when it comes to your kid, that's the

01:19:31.680 beauty of our society. I have a different judgment, but mayor Adams, you know, now he,

01:19:36.080 everyone has such high hopes for him. Um, he says, this is the, this is the science.

01:19:41.020 This is what's prudent. He gave us a big lecture about how this is what's prudent. Let's hear

01:19:45.240 a little bit about this. Um, soundbite, uh, Debbie, you know, the one that we were just talking

01:19:50.200 about, about following the science number six.

01:19:52.640 That's why it's so important to follow the science and listen to the doctors, because

01:19:59.420 when you looked at, um, those under five, uh, they were, they were more likely to be hospitalized.

01:20:06.200 And, uh, it, you know, I say people wanted to say, let's lift it across the board, but

01:20:11.300 that's not what the science was showing us. And so I know some people are concerned. I would

01:20:15.760 rather people complain against me, uh, than having losing my babies in our city. We got to follow

01:20:21.440 the science, the science states that, uh, that age group cannot be, uh, vaccinated. And they're,

01:20:27.960 they have an among children. There's some of the highest hospitalization rates. So we have to save

01:20:32.520 our children.

01:20:34.220 Your reaction to that.

01:20:36.200 You know, Megan, there's a lot of different ways to, to react to that. One of them is that

01:20:41.120 it just in terms of the science, cause that's what we're talking about right now. If you separate

01:20:46.120 out the ages of zero to one years old from the hospitalization rate that mayor Adams is,

01:20:53.400 is talking about, you find that the hospitalization rate of two and up, up to five years old corresponds

01:21:00.340 exactly with kids who are five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. It's the same, which of course

01:21:05.580 is infinitesimal, which we all know kids that are younger than one. Anyone who's had a child

01:21:11.340 knows that if there's a fever, you may bring that child to the hospital, right? You get a doctor's

01:21:16.860 involvement much sooner than you do when the kid turns one years old. So the, the, the science on

01:21:22.240 that is off and, and it's not only off, you know, just look at the rest of the world, right? Look at

01:21:27.620 the WHO, look at other States, look at other cities. The science is just not there for mayor Adams.

01:21:33.980 And, and frankly, it's, it's, it's confusing. It's confusing to parents. Uh, and I think it sends a

01:21:38.940 terrible message. It really does. And he's talking about five-year-olds and up as though they're

01:21:45.000 universally vaccinated and, and, you know, that's the difference. Those, those kids are eligible for

01:21:50.580 the vaccine and therefore they don't need to have the mask on. That's a lie. The very few people have

01:21:56.320 actually chosen to vaccinate the five to 11 crowd. Right. Right. And that also goes to the arbitrariness

01:22:02.840 of this toddler mass mandate, which we've, we've called it, uh, the, the, the child that's four and the

01:22:08.700 child that's five vaccinated or not at five interacted school, they pass in the hallways.

01:22:14.140 And yet there could be a couple of months difference with the four-year-old in a mask all

01:22:18.020 day. Right. Exactly. So what, what is it about the magical age of five? They just blame it on the

01:22:23.420 vaccines, but it's like, the point is even when they turn five, if you look at the stats, most 70%

01:22:29.320 of the parents are going to say, no, I still don't want them to get, to get the vaccine. And then if the

01:22:34.780 child gets COVID and a lot of them have already had it, um, they're probably nothing's going to

01:22:38.900 happen to them unless they're immunocompromised, right? It's like, and if you have an immunocompromised

01:22:42.540 three-year-old, then don't send them to group school. Of course. And, and, and before now with

01:22:47.300 that catchphrase, immunocompromised, which has become a term suddenly everyone knows about, which,

01:22:52.060 which none of us even heard till a couple of years ago. If you have the tragedy of an immunocompromised

01:22:57.600 three-year-old, then you've been dealing with a life that is different than all of ours for a long time.

01:23:02.760 And you always will have to, frankly, and it's sad and it's terrible, but it doesn't mean that

01:23:07.320 the rest of our children, um, should be in masks all day at school. Have to suffer for it. That's

01:23:13.240 exactly right. So what about, let's talk about the lawsuit. Cause you're, you're a lawyer. What's it

01:23:17.920 based on that, that Eric Adams, the mayor doesn't have the power to do this. So our lawsuit is, does

01:23:25.120 not focus on the science at all. Even though I think a lawsuit that did would be viable, certainly

01:23:30.680 and, and, and successful. Our lawsuit focuses strictly on the constitutionality of these city

01:23:36.660 mandates, right? There is a lawsuit right now that a great attorney, his name's Chad LaValia. We've

01:23:43.700 worked together in this case, filed a Nassau County against the state. And he won that suit. If you've

01:23:49.520 been following it, at least in the state courts, it's now an appeal. Um, and it challenges the state

01:23:54.760 mandates under the same framework, which is that these are mandates issued by an administrative

01:24:00.300 agency. This is a, uh, a situation where we have children in school being regulated by what

01:24:07.760 is really a law that should be passed through the legislature. It should go through the city

01:24:12.140 council. There should be public hearings. There should be parental involvement. There should

01:24:18.480 be experts who are available to testify in the, in the hearings. This isn't something that

01:24:24.220 some administrative agency of unelected officials should be able to pass that affects all of our

01:24:30.360 daily lives. That that's the basis of the suit. In the Nassau case, um, they said you issued this

01:24:37.300 mandate after your emergency powers expired. And therefore by any standard, even if you were granted

01:24:42.920 those powers lawfully, they were over when you issued this extended mask mandate. So this, and they,

01:24:48.780 and they wanted the trial court level. And then she of course sued to say no, you know, and now it's on

01:24:53.300 appeal. Um, but she's lifted the mask mandate for now, you know, but it does need to get resolved

01:24:57.560 because I'm sure that she'd love to bring it back on the first wave of the next variant. But what

01:25:01.960 about in, with respect to the mayor, you know, the, like he has his own emergency powers. This is why

01:25:07.740 New York city parents have to deal with not only Kathy Hochul's whims, but Eric Adams feelings about

01:25:12.800 masks and so on, so many layers to get through. Does he, do you have a similar argument that his

01:25:17.060 emergency powers expired? Well, they, they should have expired. Right. I mean, it's, it's kind of

01:25:23.040 high school social studies, one-on-one you, you can't live under a permanent state of emergency

01:25:27.940 under, you know, to have the separation of powers. That is the bedrock of our democracy

01:25:32.400 to not have a person in power who has autocratic abilities in terms of policies like this. So yes,

01:25:41.140 it's the same argument that the, the emergency, uh, situation in the state of New York should not

01:25:46.600 be carrying over, um, in perpetuity to give the mayor this kind of, of power. Uh, you know,

01:25:53.840 in the spring of 2020, it was a different story, right? But we're, we're far, far beyond that. And,

01:26:00.580 um, the fact that our kids are living under this, this mandate that the mayor thinks he should just

01:26:06.520 have the ability to use forever, uh, is something that they're going to have to answer to in court.

01:26:12.380 Now he says, hold your horses. Uh, I'm doing this sequentially. So I took the masks off. It's so

01:26:19.100 infuriating to even talk about it like this. You don't control my children. Don't tell me you did

01:26:23.400 me a favor by taking the mask off my second grader. You know, it's like that's his right to have his

01:26:28.600 naked face out there in the world. It's not some benevolent gift you gave to us, but okay,

01:26:33.300 enough about me. Um, but he says, I'm doing it in phases. Here's the soundbite. I'll let him put it,

01:26:38.880 uh, the way he did, which is soundbite 10. I made it clear. We're going to do this in waves.

01:26:46.500 The first wave is to lift the masking of our children. That was K through 12. The second way

01:26:54.960 we will go to our children that are, uh, four of, uh, under five. It would be irresponsible of me to

01:27:03.160 do it all at once. Now we're going to see after lifting, do we have a spike? If we don't have a

01:27:09.220 spike, we're going to live for your babies as well. What do you make of that? You know, what,

01:27:15.640 what's the spike that he's talking about? What, what, what is, what are the metrics that the mayor

01:27:21.500 or the department of health or whoever else in city government is looking at to make these decisions?

01:27:26.700 Parents are just left sitting at their computer, waiting for the email. That's going to come that,

01:27:31.680 like you say, we should act like we're grateful for, you know, what we need is a clear bill

01:27:38.400 introduced to the city legislature that says when the cases reach these levels, when the hospital

01:27:44.200 relations reach these levels, it needs to be something that we, we have some sort of public

01:27:48.620 engagement on. So we're not just waiting for another, uh, press conference from the mayor to,

01:27:54.100 to declare whether or not there's been a spike. You know, I, and last time I checked that wasn't,

01:27:58.740 you know, medical terminology that, that we should be, you know, putting the daily lives

01:28:05.040 of our children in the balance.

01:28:06.660 No, it's a good point. Cause they refuse to set the criteria openly for when, when can the mask

01:28:11.100 come off? When, what, what are you looking at? They won't because it's really just gut on their

01:28:15.940 part and quote science, which we all know you can find an expert to say whatever you want. And they

01:28:20.220 have. So what happens now? Cause I noticed one good thing about your lawsuit, which does need to

01:28:24.260 just like the Nassau case. It must continue even after he lifts the mask mandate because he's going

01:28:31.080 to try it again. There, you can't stop these Democrat politicians from, they love their mask

01:28:35.100 mandates. So, um, what you're getting some support. It's not just like you against the world. I saw

01:28:41.000 20 top early education programs in New York city, signed a letter calling on him to end masking.

01:28:47.220 That's good. Um, so where does it stand? It's, has it actually been filed and what procedurally is,

01:28:53.260 how's it going to play out? We filed last week. And what we asked for is what's called the TRO

01:28:58.980 temporary restraining order, as you know, um, which is where we're asking for the court to make

01:29:03.540 a preliminary decision and lift the mandate because our argument, it is every day of the week,

01:29:10.520 every moment of this child's life, they go to school with the mask on. They're still enduring

01:29:15.360 this injury. There's this inability to live an open and free life. And the parents are suffering

01:29:22.060 too. Um, so the court is going to make that decision tomorrow. We have a oral arguments

01:29:27.400 tomorrow afternoon in Richmond County, the courthouse in Staten Island. They'll make a

01:29:31.860 decision just on the TRO, just whether or not based on the submissions that we filed last week,

01:29:37.320 we're going to be granted a lifting of the, the, the mask mandate. Um, regardless of that decision,

01:29:43.040 there's going to be a briefing schedule where the city can answer. The court will hopefully give us

01:29:47.540 time and a chance to respond to the city. And then a decision will be made in maybe a month or so,

01:29:53.380 uh, as to the full merits of our lawsuit, which of course, like you said, is, is making sure that

01:29:58.880 they can't do this again, but we want is a change in the, uh, uh, policy itself. We want the courts to

01:30:07.060 say the city has to go through this legislature. This is inappropriate for the department of health to

01:30:13.200 pass a regulation like this. This is not over until these lawmakers are reminded that they are not

01:30:19.240 Kings. There's a legislative process. And there's a reason for that because lawmakers up and down the

01:30:25.480 line, both at the top of the executive branch and in the, in the legislature answer to us, we get to

01:30:30.680 fire them if they do things we don't like. And so it's not okay for the mayor to, with the sweep of

01:30:36.280 a pen, just change lives, right? It's like, we get to fire him eventually too, which he needs to bear

01:30:40.960 in mind, but there's a whole group of people who need to be held accountable. If they sign on to

01:30:46.040 this madness, I, I admire your tenacity. I'll give you the last word. I, yeah, Megan, I was just going

01:30:51.720 to say that there's a reason that, you know, I've spoke about this with lots of people and it's

01:30:55.900 something I think that should be important and a value to people, even if they don't have an opinion

01:31:00.440 on masks on kids, even if they're for masks on kids, what we're talking about is the separation of

01:31:06.900 powers is making sure that elected officials are not given free leeway to pass whatever regulations

01:31:15.840 they want without being held accountable by the public, without involving the public. Um, and we

01:31:22.100 want that. So not just for this case, but in every case. Amen. Michael, good luck. We'll follow it.

01:31:29.660 Thank you, Megan.

01:31:30.420 One of the best. And want to tell you before we go that Carol Swain is coming back with us

01:31:35.800 for an in-depth conversation tomorrow. She has lived a fascinating, fascinating life. We had her

01:31:41.500 on for a brief time not long ago. And I was like, we've got to do a profile of Carol. That's tomorrow.

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Tone-deaf Green Activism, and Absurd COVID Authoritarianism and Kyrie Irving, with Victor Davis Hanson and Adam Carolla ｜ Ep. 280

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