The Megyn Kelly Show - Tragic Killing of College Student in Chicago By Illegal Migrant, and Dems Use Trauma in 2028 Prep, with Rich Lowry and MBD ｜ Ep. 1280

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00:00:25.480 welcome to the megan kelly show live on sirius xm channel 111 every weekday at new east

00:00:33.540 hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show we have breaking news from

00:00:43.960 all over the world today in california governor gavin newsom is comparing himself

00:00:47.960 to a literal psycho to a cannibal we'll tell you what that's all about first though uh i

00:00:55.140 unfortunately have to remind you once again of the deadly consequences of the Democrats' far

00:01:01.060 left immigration policies. Here on the MK Show, we've told you about the senseless and totally 0.93

00:01:05.980 avoidable murders of young American women like Lakin Riley, Jocelyn Nungare, and Rachel Morin,

00:01:13.480 all killed by illegal immigrants who should have never been in our country to begin with. 1.00

00:01:18.900 and now it's happened again.

00:01:22.760 18-year-old Sheridan Gorman from Yorktown Heights, New York.

00:01:27.220 That's in Westchester, not far from where we are

00:01:31.520 and happens to be Yorktown Heights,

00:01:34.460 the area of Westchester we've talked about AOC being from.

00:01:39.880 Sheridan Gorman was from Yorktown Heights.

00:01:42.120 It's about an hour's drive from New York City.

00:01:45.400 She was a first-year student at Loyola University in Chicago.

00:01:48.900 18 years old, off to live her life to get an education, first step away from her parents.

00:01:56.960 I understand this. I had my first job in Chicago after I finished law school at age 24. So I was

00:02:05.040 a little older than Sheridan, but I went to Chicago too as my first big step away from home.

00:02:10.840 And it seems like a relatively safe place, or at least it did back when I went.

00:02:16.440 It's not as large as New York City.

00:02:18.300 It's a little bit more navigable.

00:02:20.100 It's totally beautiful.

00:02:21.500 That lakefront is completely inviting.

00:02:24.140 And large parts of it are very safe.

00:02:27.920 And a lot of young people hang out there at all hours, having a drink or on their way

00:02:35.140 home to the bars or just at night when they're not going to the bars just to take in Lake

00:02:39.700 Michigan, which is absolutely stunning.

00:02:41.720 It looks like an ocean.

00:02:43.520 And Sheridan, a first-year student, again at Loyola, around 1 a.m. on Thursday night,

00:02:48.400 went out with friends to take in the city's skyline and have a look at the northern lights.

00:02:53.820 That's according to her family. 0.91

00:02:56.240 She was at the part of the lakefront, if you know Chicago, there's Michigan Avenue,

00:03:00.420 and they call it Mag Mile.

00:03:02.660 And right at the top of that is Oak Street Beach, which kind of kicks off the area that people

00:03:07.860 go to and look at and hang at and lots of people getting engaged there with the John Hancock

00:03:15.020 building in the background. Well, about seven or eight miles just north of that

00:03:18.060 is Loyola Beach where she was with her friends, minding her own business on a spring evening.

00:03:26.100 And prosecutors say that Sheridan and her group were walking near this beach when Gorman told

00:03:32.320 her friends, she saw someone hiding behind a lighthouse. And that's when an armed man dressed

00:03:38.020 in all black, wearing a mask, emerged, causing the group to flee. Can you imagine how terrifying

00:03:45.440 that would be? The man then fired at the fleeing group, hitting Sheridan in the back with a bullet

00:03:53.800 exiting from her neck, and she was pronounced dead at the scene. Absolutely heartbreaking.

00:03:59.120 For what? For what? Because this pig illegal was in this country with no business being here. 1.00

00:04:09.620 Police were able to track the suspect down to his apartment using surveillance footage 0.98

00:04:13.980 where they recovered a .40 caliber handgun. A shell casing from the scene matched the gun.

00:04:20.940 So they've got the guy. Now, what we've learned about the alleged shooter has been all too

00:04:26.280 familiar after Joe Biden's disastrous open border policies let in millions of unvetted 1.00

00:04:33.740 illegal immigrants to this country. That's what Donald Trump was trying to clean up 0.68

00:04:40.180 in places like Minneapolis when all hell broke loose because you had protesters wanting to keep

00:04:46.620 men like this here in the country and tried to paint people like the ICE agents who were trying

00:04:53.380 to keep girls like Sheridan safe as the bad guys. According to the Department of Homeland Security,

00:05:00.820 this suspect is named Jose Medina, a 25-year-old fucking loser, illegal immigrant from Venezuela. 0.99

00:05:09.940 I'm sorry, but I'm angry. I am sick and tired of reporting on young American girls being killed 1.00

00:05:16.760 by illegals from Venezuela, sick and tired of it. Her poor family, 18 with her entire life in front 0.99

00:05:28.600 of her. For what? Why? There were so many opportunities to prevent this. Joe Biden

00:05:36.460 closing the border, Democrats allowing President Trump to deport the illegals who had been let in 0.92

00:05:44.280 here. Governor Pritzker allowing Trump to send help to the state of Illinois in preventing crime,

00:05:52.880 which he said he had in hand and that it was safe. Remember when he was walking along

00:05:57.760 that very lakefront? Governor Pritzker giving an interview to a local Chicago news reporter

00:06:03.260 talking about how it was safe and he was going to reject Trump's offer. There were so many

00:06:08.880 opportunities to prevent this. And the system failed Sheridan Gorman and her family.

00:06:16.640 DHS says Border Patrol apprehended Medina back on May 9th, 2023.

00:06:23.240 But the Biden administration released him into the country. Then he was nabbed again,

00:06:30.340 as is so often the case with these illegals. He was nabbed again on June 19th, 2023 for 0.99

00:06:36.840 shoplifting in Chicago really didn't take him long to continue breaking our laws. And once again,

00:06:42.380 he was released. And there does not appear to have been any coordination with ICE or any calling

00:06:48.540 of ICE to let them know that they had arrested an illegal. Chicago is a sanctuary city,

00:06:55.860 Illinois sanctuary. They wouldn't have done. They have a policy against doing that. And there's

00:07:00.420 absolutely no report that they that they violated their policy and actually did something to protect

00:07:04.700 their community by letting ICE know that they had arrested somebody for shoplifting who wasn't

00:07:08.920 supposed to be here. Now this guy Medina's been charged with first degree murder

00:07:13.700 and multiple other felonies. What good will that do? What good will that do? Who even cares?

00:07:24.320 Great. Shove him in a jail for the rest of his life. Fine. That's where he belongs. Or ship him

00:07:29.720 back to Venezuela. I really like, who cares? She's dead and she can't be brought back. Her family is

00:07:38.040 in massive amounts of pain and no guilty verdict or deportation or combination of the two is going

00:07:48.980 to change that. How many other daughters have to die before we realize what Joe Biden did and

00:07:57.760 the hard truths about what must be done to rectify it.

00:08:03.120 You know, we moved on from Minneapolis so quickly because of the hysterics from the

00:08:07.720 Dems, especially in the wake of Renee Good and Alex Preddy injecting themselves into

00:08:13.980 that lawful law enforcement operation and getting themselves killed.

00:08:20.080 Trump backed down because the polls started hemorrhaging for him with independence.

00:08:24.420 That was a that was a smart political calculation.

00:08:27.460 I'm not going to lie. I see exactly why I did it. It made sense to me politically.

00:08:32.840 But what quietly happened in the days and weeks after that, it wasn't really publicized,

00:08:37.760 especially because soon thereafter, you know, the Iran thing exploded and so on,

00:08:43.120 was we seeded the battle. You know, there was a battle even within DHS and certainly within the

00:08:49.500 country on whether we were just going to go with worst first, Tom Holman style, which is, you know,

00:08:53.560 I love Tom Homan. He's a patriot. Or cast a wider net and try to deport all of the illegals here, the ones who hadn't yet committed a violent crime, the ones like this guy. 0.98

00:09:06.920 And those of us who wanted a wider net lost. That's what happened. The administration is not admitting that.

00:09:14.000 They know that especially Republican and independent voters do say they want everyone gone.

00:09:19.900 But when you actually have to do the hard work of making it happen, the public gets squeamish because it looks like what it looked like in Minneapolis when you have a local Democratic governor and lawmakers who decide to hashtag resist.

00:09:35.600 You know, the Hohman efforts, the Kristi Noem efforts were working well in other cities.

00:09:40.220 But Minneapolis decided to make a point, sanctuary city, and the media was on board.

00:09:47.940 They made martyrs out of those two interferers, 0.99

00:09:51.800 pretty and good,

00:09:52.900 and the media swallowed a hook, line, and sinker.

00:09:55.720 And quietly, we lost that battle, you guys.

00:09:58.120 We did.

00:09:59.160 The administration downshifted to worst first only.

00:10:02.420 I mean, that's really what it seems to be, worst only.

00:10:04.940 And maybe that's just realism,

00:10:06.340 given the amount of resources that we have

00:10:07.880 and how difficult it is to find all these people.

00:10:10.240 But a guy like this guy would not have been touched.

00:10:15.280 A shoplifting arrest?

00:10:16.940 That's not worst first.

00:10:18.860 He had no business being here.

00:10:20.940 He should have been part of the dragnet.

00:10:22.720 We should not give up on the other illegals. 0.95

00:10:25.400 They all need to go.

00:10:27.760 Whose child will be next? 0.59

00:10:31.380 So this guy now charged with first-degree murder, great, and multiple other felonies.

00:10:35.960 But he missed his first court date on Monday because he's reportedly hospitalized with tuberculosis.

00:10:40.560 Wonderful.

00:10:41.340 So he's got communicable diseases as well.

00:10:44.700 This is just senseless.

00:10:46.940 It never should have happened.

00:10:49.060 Sheridan Gorman should be alive and well today and thriving in Chicago, taking in the sights and the sounds of that vibrant, dynamic city and coming of age in it with her young friends.

00:11:01.920 And Joe Biden and all the Democrats who supported his reckless, needless, inexplicable open border have blood on their hands.

00:11:12.760 i i genuinely take no pride pleasure or joy in rubbing their faces in that i i wish we on the

00:11:23.980 right who objected to these this border situation what was happening had been wrong that it was

00:11:29.060 somehow it worked out somehow these people just became law-abiding citizens who wanted to pay the 0.93

00:11:34.020 bills and send money home to their families it was always bullshit yes there's some small 0.93

00:11:38.920 collection who wanted that and didn't break the law. But let's be honest, as Trump said infamously 0.98

00:11:44.140 at the bottom of that escalator, they're not sending their best. He knew it then. He knows

00:11:50.380 it today. There are political realities that caused him to change, quietly change without

00:11:55.260 admitting it, that policy. And more Americans are going to die as a result of what Joe Biden did

00:12:02.080 and these Democrats, what they did in Minneapolis.

00:12:07.280 Sheridan's family releasing a statement that reads, quote,

00:12:10.700 this is the loss of a daughter, the loss of a sister,

00:12:13.940 the loss of a future filled with milestones that will now never come.

00:12:19.320 Our family is forever changed.

00:12:22.260 Her family says Sheridan was a devout Christian, a star bowler,

00:12:26.680 and was extremely excited to begin studying business at Loyola last fall.

00:12:32.840 Sheridan's mom, Jessica, telling the New York Post, quote, we are going to get justice for

00:12:38.380 Sheridan. We have a voice and it's going to be heard. We are beyond shattered. For the listening

00:12:45.680 audience, we're showing a picture of the two of them, beautiful Sheridan with her long brunette

00:12:49.020 hair, her gorgeous mom with her blonde hair. They look so similar. The two of them all smiles,

00:12:54.840 looking like they love life and they love each other.

00:12:59.500 Through tears, Jessica, Sheridan's mom, saying, quote,

00:13:03.580 when they say that your heart is broken or it feels like it's ripped out of your chest,

00:13:07.180 it's real. It's so real. I wouldn't wish this upon anyone.

00:13:13.680 It is absolutely heartbreaking. It is awful and unnecessary.

00:13:18.420 But Democrats, I have to be honest, they don't seem to be that moved by this.

00:13:23.100 And the same people who are out there, Governor Pritzker, laying a wreath in honor of Alex

00:13:33.160 Preddy, the protester who interfered with a lawful law enforcement operation, very little

00:13:39.900 to say.

00:13:40.820 He's, of course, a Democrat with presidential aspirations, silent on this murder in his

00:13:46.420 state, which was preventable for days.

00:13:49.860 She was killed on Thursday.

00:13:51.040 It took him until Monday to post on X, quote, Sheridan Gorman's murder is a tragedy, and the person responsible must be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

00:14:04.700 The person responsible.

00:14:06.080 You mean the illegal immigrant from Venezuela?

00:14:08.120 Where's that?

00:14:09.720 The one who was already arrested, who he didn't turn over to ICE?

00:14:12.220 That one?

00:14:13.640 Then my deepest condolences to the family, friends, and Loyola University community grieving this devastating loss.

00:14:19.320 May her memory be a blessing.

00:14:21.040 No mention of the suspect's immigration status.

00:14:25.620 Yesterday, Pritzker's office also releasing a statement that reads in part, quote,

00:14:29.820 the Trump administration needs to stop politicizing heinous tragedies and instead focus on real solutions.

00:14:40.080 The Trump administration needs to stop politicizing.

00:14:43.680 OK, that's not what happened here.

00:14:46.640 That is not what happened here.

00:14:48.360 The fact that President Trump called attention to this devastating loss is to his credit.

00:14:53.860 There is an actual political solution to some of what Joe Biden did.

00:15:01.260 And the Democrats are objecting to it.

00:15:03.260 How dare he pretend he's not part of that problem?

00:15:06.960 Remember, back in January, this guy made an appearance at a memorial again for Alex Preddy,

00:15:12.680 the agitator, killed by immigration enforcement in Minneapolis after he inserted himself into

00:15:18.680 their law enforcement operations. And Pritzker then had no problem calling for the firing

00:15:23.800 of Trump administration officials because, quote, killings took place. Watch this.

00:15:30.100 Need to have people who are actually professionally

00:15:32.820 prepared to do law enforcement and instead of taking away people's constitutional rights.

00:15:40.520 Governor J.B. Pritzker supports immigration enforcement, but not the way the Trump administration is doing it.

00:15:47.260 He is encouraged by the departure of Border Patrol Chief Greg Bovino.

00:15:51.480 But Pritzker says Kristi Noem, Tom Homan and Stephen Miller should all be removed as well.

00:15:57.820 They need to be held accountable because killings took place and it was under their orders.

00:16:05.240 Look at him, managed to drag himself on cam to make sure his message was heard far and wide.

00:16:10.520 Why isn't he doing that for Sheridan? 1.00

00:16:13.240 Get your fat ass in front of a camera right now 1.00

00:16:16.520 and say something empathetic and apologetic 1.00

00:16:20.180 about Sheridan Gorman right now.

00:16:25.520 It's even worse when you look down at the mayor.

00:16:28.560 Chicago's far left mayor, Brandon Johnson,

00:16:30.320 has been silent, silent about Sheridan's murder.

00:16:35.280 Nothing. He has nothing to say.

00:16:37.560 He clearly doesn't give a shit, which we knew. 0.99

00:16:40.520 But at least they generally try to make it look like they care with like an anodyne statement along the lines of what Pritzker did. 0.99

00:16:47.440 But Brandon Johnson, nothing.

00:16:48.720 He had he had no time for Sheridan Gorman.

00:16:52.920 He's he's tweeting about other things, but couldn't be bothered to tweet about or say something on camera about Sheridan.

00:17:00.180 But the alder woman who represents this part of Chicago, where the shooting took place,

00:17:08.440 Maria Haddon, who is a villain in this story, had the following to say.

00:17:16.260 From what I've been told so far, right, from what police know, from speaking to the students

00:17:21.140 who were with her, it seems she might have, that as they were just out, you know, people

00:17:28.860 People go out to the beach all the time, and they go out on the pier, they walk around.

00:17:32.540 So the kids were out doing normal things people do in the neighborhood.

00:17:36.780 And it sounds like this might have been a wrong place, wrong time, running into a person

00:17:41.680 who had a gun.

00:17:42.680 They might have startled this person at the end of the pier unintentionally, but that's

00:17:48.960 all we know.

00:17:49.960 So from what I've been told, what police investigation has turned up so far, what they've been able

00:17:57.140 to share with me and with Loyola University. We don't believe there is cause for broader

00:18:01.940 community concern. Okay, some actual concern over Sheridan Gorman would be nice, madam.

00:18:09.140 Someone may have been in the wrong place the wrong time last Thursday.

00:18:14.300 The wrong place, wrong time. What? What is she saying? She may have startled

00:18:20.340 the man. You mean the illegal immigrant who was there with a mask on who chased her?

00:18:27.140 and shot her from behind? What are you saying? She has completely recast what happened

00:18:34.840 as just an accidental startling, leaving out, of course, that this was an illegal to begin with.

00:18:43.280 Now that she said something that outrageous, even the Chicago press is calling her saying, 1.00

00:18:51.580 Are you are you a fucking idiot? Sorry, that's my term. And she's gone totally dark. She won't 1.00

00:18:57.560 take calls. Her office won't respond. Get out there and do better, ma'am. This is you owe this

00:19:06.840 to your constituents. You owe it to Sheridan. How dare you paint it as this? Oh, an accidental

00:19:14.000 startling, you know, by by some law abiding citizen who happened to have his gun. He chased

00:19:20.340 her. He shot her as she was running away. She did absolutely nothing wrong. How dare you?

00:19:29.500 We were planning on leading with this story all morning, and we're working on our opening here.

00:19:36.480 And about a half an hour before we went to air, something heartbreaking happened.

00:19:44.220 We received an email to our show account. You can email me, Megan, at MeganKelley.com.

00:19:50.340 That goes to our show account. And I have a great gal named Meg Storm who takes in all the emails for me and then sends them to me. And the email that we received took my breath away. It was from a friend of Sheridan's mom, Jessica. The mom is Jessica.

00:20:07.780 It turns out Jessica went to our show in Westchester this past fall when we took the show on the road.

00:20:18.420 Jessica's friend Stacy sent along these photos.

00:20:21.880 Stacy is the brunette.

00:20:23.120 She's the friend who sent us the emails.

00:20:24.680 And Sheridan's mom, Jessica, is on screen right in the striped jacket.

00:20:30.280 The other woman on screen left is Jessica's twin sister, Nicole.

00:20:34.940 They look so much alike, so you probably could figure that out on your own.

00:20:38.660 Look at them.

00:20:39.200 Look at Jessica. 0.94

00:20:40.100 She's wearing her red, white, and blue, loud and proud.

00:20:44.320 So much pride in this nation, which she clearly loves.

00:20:49.260 All that it could offer her and her family, her sweet daughter, Sheridan, who she was

00:20:55.980 probably so excited to see off to college and probably had that tearful goodbye that

00:21:00.740 moms and daughters have and that moms have in general with their kids when they send them off

00:21:05.860 to a school on a different part of the country and pray that they'll be safe. I'm so sorry.

00:21:12.240 I'm so sorry, Jessica. I'm sorry this happened to your daughter and your family. I'm sorry that

00:21:17.680 the Democrat Party did not protect beautiful Sheridan. And I promise to do what Stacey asked

00:21:25.780 us to do in her email to our show, which was to use this platform to help you get justice

00:21:31.940 for your daughter and to do what we can to make sure no one else's child is taken too

00:21:38.820 soon by someone who has no right to be here and to hold the politicians accountable who

00:21:47.300 caused it and minimize it and therefore set another person up for disaster in the United

00:21:54.940 States. Joining me now for reaction to this and more, it's an NR day here at the MK Show. National

00:22:02.240 Review Editor-in-Chief Rich Lowry and National Review Senior Writer Michael Brendan Doherty,

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00:23:13.840 when you see the actual human toll of the Joe Biden policies, which we've talked about at length

00:23:19.260 and the reaction from Pritzker and the nothing from Mayor Brendan Johnson.

00:23:27.400 Your thoughts?

00:23:28.180 Yeah, well, it used to be a taboo that you just you couldn't talk about these cases

00:23:31.860 until Donald Trump started talking about them and angel moms and dads

00:23:35.280 when he first rose to prominence about 10 years ago.

00:23:38.440 And this doesn't mean that all illegal immigrants are murderers or terrible criminals, obviously.

00:23:42.880 But the other side won't acknowledge that it's a unique tragedy

00:23:45.860 when you have someone who shouldn't have been in the country in the first place snuffing out 0.74

00:23:50.560 a young life like this. And it isn't, though, this guy was a mastermind and snuck past our

00:23:56.320 authorities. We caught him. And then we released him. And then he was caught in shoplifting as

00:24:02.460 well. And this just goes, there's been a big debate over the data over how many deported

00:24:08.640 illegal immigrants are criminals or not. The number that are actually violent criminals is 1.00

00:24:13.540 fairly low. I don't know what it is, seven or eight percent. But there's a huge percentage

00:24:17.380 that have committed other crimes besides being here illegally, and they should all be detained

00:24:21.880 and go as well. So this never should have happened. The people who are in favor of an

00:24:28.300 open border and letting people like this stay in the country are partly responsible. And as you

00:24:33.260 point out, they should at least acknowledge what happened. And just saying wrong place, wrong time,

00:24:38.920 like she was in the worst part of South Side Chicago and something awful happened,

00:24:43.320 which would be terrible enough. She was walking towards the beach on a on a nice night with

00:24:49.020 friends. And this guy ambushed them out of nowhere. Totally disgusting and shameful and heartbreaking.

00:24:58.200 You know, MBD contributed a Newsmax named Jerry Callahan summed it up well on X on Monday. 0.78

00:25:06.180 He writes as follows. She didn't drive her car at an ICE agent. She wasn't assaulting ICE agents. 1.00

00:25:11.460 She didn't lose her life while obstructing law enforcement.

00:25:14.420 She was murdered by an illegal alien criminal, the kind of person Renee Good and Alex Preddy 0.99

00:25:19.000 were trying to protect. 0.99

00:25:20.480 So, of course, Democrats don't give a shit about Sheridan Gorman. 0.99

00:25:23.980 There'll be no protests in the street for her. 0.99

00:25:26.480 There'll be no memorial, no national memorial where they'll line up to lay wreaths.

00:25:32.780 You won't see her face all over MSNBC or CNN.

00:25:35.640 And she'll be ignored because this is an inconvenient piece of the narrative for those who want to lionize the Alex Preddies of the world.

00:25:47.020 Yeah, it is abominable.

00:25:50.540 I mean, to say she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

00:25:55.960 Why was it the wrong place?

00:25:57.660 It's the wrong place because Chicago doesn't cooperate with ICE, because the state of Illinois doesn't cooperate with law enforcement on immigration.

00:26:10.220 Why was it the wrong time? Because it was a few years after Joe Biden let in maybe 10 million or more unvetted illegal immigrants.

00:26:20.500 and republicans aren't off the hook either um republicans have basically said and donald trump

00:26:28.180 has basically indicated that there's not going to be enforcement in workplaces like um you know

00:26:36.160 agriculture or meatpacking or um in the hotel business in the hospitality industry

00:26:44.200 and this just creates these zones of lawlessness and and you know this can touch anyone i mean i

00:26:52.400 grew up in a hometown where a mother and daughter were killed by a drunk driving illegal immigrant 1.00

00:26:59.680 as they were exiting a dance studio um and they were buried together uh this was in 2009

00:27:07.660 in Brewster, New York. And, you know, the illegal Guatemalan immigrant who did that 0.74

00:27:16.460 had, you know, been known to local law enforcement for years, as many of illegal immigrants were

00:27:23.140 known, just for living rowdy and lawlessly in an illegally rented apartment, you know,

00:27:30.080 rented to many, many men beyond legal capacity by a landlord who was profiting illegally

00:27:35.980 and hired out to do illegal labor um this is a kind of the lawlessness spreads and this is the

00:27:44.700 the price of it in the end is you know people think it's just we're getting cheap labor cheap

00:27:52.300 exploitable labor you know uh landscapers and meat packers and people that work at hotels

00:27:58.300 quietly we do but we also get this lawlessness this this we also get the new york times

00:28:05.880 Not worth it.

00:28:06.980 The New York Times reported we get violation of child labor laws because the Biden administration let in so many illegal immigrants who were minors that couldn't be put anywhere.

00:28:17.340 And they were put to illegal work and dangerous work in this country.

00:28:22.260 It's an offense against the laws we make and the laws we make to live in a decent society.

00:28:29.960 And we're basically saying that these people should live indecently.

00:28:34.140 And then we pretend to be shocked at the crime that happens as a result. It's beyond reckoning. And, you know, I think this should be hung on every politician who wants to back off of this effort to bring law and order to our society, to bring people into legal conformity, to live in a republic as full citizens.

00:29:01.740 and uh that means not being preyed upon by criminal aliens uh it means not being undercut

00:29:09.480 in the labor market it means you know uh it means a land that's governed by our laws

00:29:16.900 and you know this is just a truly awful story and you are so right to drive home the the

00:29:30.000 the faces the the real names behind the story because otherwise it's just going to become

00:29:38.600 you know a statistic just you know no we're not going to let it just dismissed as i i like i said

00:29:46.560 we were going to cover this anyway but knowing jessica's part of the mk show community and came 0.82

00:29:51.500 out to the tour with her friends like i i refuse i over my dead body will this story fall out of

00:29:56.560 the headlines now. I will make sure. I will absolutely make sure. And if J.B. Pritzker has

00:30:01.100 the balls to actually run for president without making this a massive mea culpa before, during, 0.84

00:30:09.360 and potentially after, I'll be all over him. I mean, we'll call his office every day. I don't 0.98

00:30:13.920 care. This is so, I'm sick and tired of this. I've talked to too many of these moms. You know, 1.00

00:30:21.800 when I think about, you know, Jessica attending to our show in White Plains where we talked about

00:30:28.100 a lot, that was with Tucker Carlson. We talked about a lot, including illegal immigration. And

00:30:32.280 she's sitting there and listening to this discussion and having no idea that her daughter

00:30:37.180 and her family will be the victims of one of these people in just a few short months. It makes my

00:30:42.340 stomach turn. And Rich, it's not just a problem with illegal immigration. As I point out, you know,

00:30:48.200 So why was this guy like lingering where young people fraternize on the lakefront in a mask with a loaded gun while he's an illegal with an arrest record?

00:31:00.740 Like why?

00:31:01.780 Right.

00:31:02.040 Because I'm going to guess if they had adequate police presence there, they wouldn't have let somebody who is clearly an illegal who I guarantee you spoke very little English, if any, sit there with a mask and a loaded gun where our youth hang out.

00:31:15.000 And all I can think about is that that interview that J.B. Pritzker gave to the local.

00:31:19.820 We actually pulled it. It's the local NBC5 Chicago.

00:31:22.040 Her name is Marianne Ahern, and she pressed him on the violence in Chicago.

00:31:27.360 This is months ago, September of 2025.

00:31:30.820 And listen to how cavalier Governor Pritzker was.

00:31:33.840 Listen, you're going to hear people, especially this past weekend, 54 shot, seven dead.

00:31:40.580 Yeah, they're going to say the city's not safe.

00:31:43.240 Would you ask your friends to ride the L after midnight or after, you know, nine o'clock at night even to come down to the city from O'Hare?

00:31:51.580 Look, big cities have crime.

00:31:53.800 There's no doubt about it.

00:31:55.020 But let's just pay attention to what President Trump is doing targeting Chicago.

00:32:00.040 He's overlooking red states that have much higher crime rates.

00:32:05.440 Just total deflection, Rich.

00:32:07.200 Total deflection.

00:32:08.100 No responsibility.

00:32:08.940 Yeah, so this is a classic instance also of why a broken windows approach to policing makes sense. You police small acts of disorder to keep worse things from happening. So if you just basically don't have tolerance for strange guys hanging around with loitering in masks in places they shouldn't be, this might not happen.

00:32:29.880 And I have a friend who was nearly attacked by someone in New York City.

00:32:33.960 It was in a public park where a bunch of kids were out drinking as rich.

00:32:37.680 How do we stop things like this from happening?

00:32:39.740 Well, you stop the drinking, right?

00:32:40.940 You stop the drinking and then people are out of control and something worse doesn't happen.

00:32:45.520 And one reason, Megan, just going back to the foundational point here, that the left can't properly account for these incidents, can't tell the truth about them, can't express the appropriate outrage is because the wrong people are the victims and the perpetrators.

00:32:59.880 right? So the illegal immigrants are a victim class. They are high up there in the hierarchy 1.00

00:33:05.460 of victims for the left. So they can't process when an illegal immigrant commits a crime like 1.00

00:33:11.020 this. It reminds me a little bit of the Muslim bomb throwers in New York City a couple of weeks 1.00

00:33:16.160 ago where all the headlines and a lot of the commentary suggested that it was the anti-Mamdani

00:33:21.860 protesters who must have been responsible for the bombing, right? Instead of the Muslim guys 1.00

00:33:26.640 Yeah, Akbar. And same thing here. This guy was a menace, never should have been in the country. He's an illegal immigrant. It was a horror and a disgrace. And they can't get there just because once they hear illegal immigrant. And of course, they won't even say that phrase, undocumented immigrant. It's it's let's let's not cast aspersions on on these people. 1.00

00:33:48.620 Well, they won't they won't even go that far. First of all, I totally agree with everything you just said. And this this progressive Democrat, Maria Haddon, who we played the soundbite from wrong place, wrong time. 0.55

00:34:00.640 I guarantee you the message would have been totally different had Sheridan been black. Now the hierarchies change again. 0.89

00:34:07.320 Now she's invested shot in the back now. Oh, yeah, exactly. Now, because now, like I'm sure in this woman's mind, any black American is actually valued more than a white American. 0.68

00:34:17.800 And when you're doing the progressive hierarchy, illegal immigrant, brown skin from Venezuela definitely is over white girl from Westchester, but is not over black girl from Chicago. 0.64

00:34:29.640 And I guarantee you this is the way Maria had in things.

00:34:32.720 And so she would have expressed outrage.

00:34:34.620 She would have had the right tone. 0.98

00:34:35.760 She wouldn't have pulled any bullshit about wrong place, wrong time. 0.96

00:34:38.540 She must have just startled him. 0.98

00:34:40.200 Absolutely not.

00:34:40.980 We looked at this woman's history.

00:34:43.520 She it's right out of central casting.

00:34:46.480 Of course, she's got like the resume that you would expect.

00:34:49.220 She's a Democrat.

00:34:49.880 She was the first elected city council in 2019, graduate of Ohio State from her campaign

00:34:54.340 website.

00:34:55.460 They tell us she's the first black queer woman elected to Chicago City Council, a servant 1.00

00:35:00.800 leader with a background.

00:35:01.740 Now, listen to this.

00:35:02.380 This is a bunch of words that say nothing other than she's utterly unqualified. 0.99

00:35:07.280 This is this is like progressive speak for nothingness, a servant leader with a background

00:35:13.580 in community organizing and participatory democracy. Maria has become an independent

00:35:19.120 progressive champion of the people in city council who advocates for not just her word,

00:35:24.080 but communities across Chicago. Before becoming Alderwoman, Maria Haddon was the executive 0.90

00:35:28.440 director of Our City, Our Voice. Again, more gobbledygook coming your way. A national

00:35:33.400 nonprofit organization she founded to enable communities and local governments across the

00:35:38.600 country to redesign democracy for more empowered and equitable participation. What? Here it goes

00:35:46.200 again. Her expertise in public participation is grounded in grassroots organizing efforts

00:35:52.840 for social change. She goes on. She's a member of local progress, a movement of local elected

00:36:00.340 officials advancing a racial and economic justice agenda through all levels of government. It goes

00:36:07.480 on and on like this for paragraphs, Rich, to your point of there's she she's a know nothing

00:36:14.620 who has advanced only one thing throughout her entire career. And it appears to be some racial

00:36:20.600 hierarchy, which she is now applying to Sheridan Gorman, a dead constituent who is 18 and deserves 1.00

00:36:28.120 better. Yeah. So Antonin Scalia said the longer the introduction for someone at an event, the

00:36:33.520 less consequential they are. And if you apply the same rule to a bio, this person is a total

00:36:39.480 non-entity. It's all meaningless phrases and all suggesting, right? It's just another way of saying

00:36:45.280 she has this perverse racialist view of looking at the world that you outlined, where the whites 0.78

00:36:51.400 are the oppressors. If a white girl is victimized by a terrible crime, she was in the wrong place 0.92

00:36:56.340 at the wrong time, kind of by definition. It is a twisted and perverse way to look at the world.

00:37:03.520 here is uh mbd this same older woman maria hadden um on january 21st on she's talking about holocaust

00:37:14.180 remembrance uh holocaust remembrance resolution listening here stop three holocaust remembrance

00:37:20.400 day and the visits that i've gone and all the efforts for lifting up the stories of the survivors

00:37:26.420 and of the people who didn't survive I think are core to the American experience that I have as

00:37:34.520 well because as a black American we are always looking to our past to center ourselves in the

00:37:43.720 fights that we also still face we have a president in this land that is demonizing people that don't

00:37:51.420 look like him. We've seen that before. And right now we have ethnic cleansing, xenophobia,

00:37:59.280 anti-blackness, anti-poverty happening and being carried out by our government. They are acting 0.76

00:38:07.500 against us. They are stealing our people. They are kidnapping them and they are trampling our

00:38:12.420 rights. And what's next? Okay. Where's that passion to blame government when we really need

00:38:21.360 it and the government happens to be Democrat? I mean, if you ever catch yourself saying that

00:38:29.360 you're inspired by the Holocaust stories because they remind you of your own story, just stop 0.55

00:38:35.840 Center yourself. Stop talking. Yes. I mean, and by the way, her background suggests another 0.94

00:38:42.640 angle to the story, which is also underexplored. So I bet you if you go and look at the background

00:38:50.720 of the nonprofit organizations she's been a part of, I would bet you anything. They are listed

00:38:57.880 as a partner organization to another nonprofit that coordinates services for illegal aliens.

00:39:05.840 In every region of this country, there are nonprofit organizations funded by leftist billionaires that connect churches, immigration lawyers, illegal landlords, illegal employers, other nonprofits.

00:39:24.620 And basically what they do is they engage in kind of a legal conspiracy to evade the law.

00:39:35.840 Each of them knows who is, you know, a mandatory reporter or who is obliged by the law to say this or that or who is not obliged to say this or that.

00:39:48.460 And so everyone is coordinated to protect illegal landlords from inspections, illegal employers from law enforcement, or to guide people the right way, to coach illegal immigrants not to incriminate themselves if they're asked questions by law enforcement.

00:40:08.600 And this is everywhere.

00:40:10.720 And it involves, you know, there's a local group in my town that does this.

00:40:15.660 I'm sure there's one in yours.

00:40:16.800 and I would bet you anything that the same people donating to this Alderwoman's campaign

00:40:23.560 donate to these organizations, work for them, and profit from them. I mean, that's the other

00:40:28.820 thing is that they're protecting a massive profit center for not just the illegal landlords and

00:40:35.640 illegal employers, but also for the lawyers and the other nonprofits who justify themselves to

00:40:43.800 their donors by saying, I helped 300 people this year basically evade law enforcement.

00:40:50.620 And now, unfortunately for Maria, we are going to start digging. Now we're interested. So she's

00:40:56.940 not going to be able to just coast along as Chicago alderwoman responsible to no one. We

00:41:01.200 will be calling attention to whether she's connected with such groups and what else she

00:41:05.680 has to say. She's not going to get away with leaving it at wrong place, wrong time. I don't

00:41:09.920 care if we have to call her office every single day for the next year. That's what's going to

00:41:13.620 happen. This woman will amend that statement to offer the proper empathy, or she will never stop 0.99

00:41:19.500 hearing from us. This is insane. We can't allow them to get away with this. And the media so far,

00:41:24.420 Rich, has been predictably awful. NR had an article about it yesterday. So far, though,

00:41:31.740 just FYI, the Washington Post, zero coverage, zero. The AP, zero. NPR, zero. The New York

00:41:42.020 Times coverage from Sunday says suspect in Chicago students killing was in US illegally.

00:41:48.820 DHS says, OK, that's not bad. Then there's a sub headline. Sheridan Gorman, 18, was killed last

00:41:54.280 week near Loyola University, Chicago. The Trump administration has sought to highlight crimes

00:41:59.800 committed by undocumented people in its deportation campaign. It's Republicans pounce

00:42:06.120 with different words. And then you guys pointed out in your editorial how the Chicago Tribune,

00:42:12.780 they went with, okay, first of all, they failed to get this Medina's immigration status into their

00:42:18.920 headline. And it's missing from the article about his arrest entirely more than 24 hours after that

00:42:26.880 status had been revealed by DHS. So they just refer to him as Rogers Park man in Loyola slang

00:42:33.820 Rogers Park man. Then finally, there was a follow up story that makes a reference to the fact that

00:42:39.140 he was here illegally. And yet it still does not name him, doesn't name him. CBS, no better

00:42:45.640 reporting suspect due in court in Chicago shooting that killed Loyola University freshman Sheridan

00:42:51.520 Gorman. Readers had to wait until the 10th paragraph to find out he was here illegally.

00:42:58.480 This is like, so that's the New York Times with Republicans pounce. Chicago Tribune won't even

00:43:04.300 tell you he's an illegal. CBS waits until the 10th paragraph. And that's better than WAPO, 0.59

00:43:11.160 AP and NPR, which ignored the story altogether. Yeah. So it's not just burying the lead. It's

00:43:17.660 suppressing the lead or pretending the lead doesn't exist because it's of intense interest

00:43:23.960 to people that this guy is an illegal immigrant, but they don't want to acknowledge it because

00:43:27.360 they share largely the worldview that we've been talking about.

00:43:31.940 And that subhead you read, I think, from the New York Times, that's the kind of coverage

00:43:36.540 you're going to get in a couple of days, right?

00:43:38.760 It's all going to be a Republican's pounce kind of coverage.

00:43:42.320 And going back to that older woman, you know, the viewpoint she has, and this really underlies so much of this, is basically the old line, first they came for whoever, and then they came – first they came for the Jews, then they came for you.

00:43:57.300 That's how they think of illegal immigrants.

00:43:59.100 First they come for illegal immigrants, and this is the cusp of a massive totalitarian fascist crackdown.

00:44:07.120 So they view guys like this as the equivalent of Anne Frank, right?

00:44:11.480 They should be protected. Not only should they not be arrested, they should be affirmatively protected, hidden in someone's metaphorical attic because it's inherently wrong and fascistic to enforce our borders and immigration laws.

00:44:25.640 It's so infuriating. I mean, it just feels like nothing's going to change. It really does.

00:44:31.520 Like he's going to get J.V. Pritzker. He will get away with this. You know, I mean, he will. He's probably running for president at any CNN debate because they don't give the Dem debates, the primary debates I'm talking about, to Fox News.

00:44:44.380 They don't give them to the Megyn Kellys of the world. They don't give them the Rich Lowry's and MBD's. They give them to CNN and MSNBC.

00:44:49.640 No one's going to ask him. No one is going to ask him this question because it's team blue that's in favor of the open border and not holding anybody to account.

00:44:59.940 They'd much rather talk about Alex Preddy and Renee Good than Sheridan Gorman.

00:45:05.220 It's just so infuriating.

00:45:08.340 On the subject of, I guess we'll stay with Democrat presidential possibilities, something bizarre with Gavin Newsom.

00:45:16.180 I don't totally understand what he's doing here, but maybe you guys can enlighten me.

00:45:19.840 He decided to put out this picture of himself.

00:45:23.840 himself, it was a tweet, as half of the face, and Christian Bale, who played serial killer

00:45:31.740 Patrick Bateman in American Psycho, as the other half. And in his caption, he doesn't say,

00:45:39.220 here I am with Christian Bale. He highlights the fact that he's splitting of the face

00:45:43.860 with the serial killer, the fictional character, Patrick Bateman. He writes, for so many years,

00:45:49.440 people have been saying that Patrick Bateman and I, who is not a real person, look alike.

00:45:55.540 Now this pick has been going all over the place. What do you think? And clearly he just wants

00:46:00.880 people to tell him he looks hot because, you know, Christian Bale is hot and way hotter than Gavin

00:46:06.860 Newsom. And then, you know, many people were commenting like Tom Elliott, who responded,

00:46:14.600 your psychiatrist misses you. Another posted a picture of Gavin Newsom next to Beavis from

00:46:21.160 Beavis and Butthead saying this actually is a more spot on likeness. And I have to agree.

00:46:26.300 Take a look at it, you guys. You tell me. I mean, it's spot on. But this is like some sort of a

00:46:33.000 flex, I guess. I don't know, Rich. Is it a flex? What is it? I think he's he's just adopted the

00:46:39.460 approach, right? And there's something to be said for it. Any attention is good attention on

00:46:43.680 social media. And it's a little bit like, you know, Ted Cruz playing around with the idea that

00:46:50.040 he's really the Zodiac killer, which is something thrown at him by critics. So then he's gone with

00:46:56.860 it at times. So I think Newsom is a threat because he has a kind of charisma. I'm immune,

00:47:03.140 totally immune to his charm. And I consider him so

00:47:06.880 oleaginous. He's basically like a walking fire hazard at any

00:47:10.980 moment. Nice word. Oily. But

00:47:14.200 part of the name of the game in presidential politics is just being

00:47:18.860 more likable and having more of that X factor than

00:47:22.900 anyone else. And Newsom, at least I hate to say, is in

00:47:26.640 that game. Whereas Prisker, I don't get. No, you're right. He's trying to say

00:47:31.140 I've got main character energy. That's what he's trying to say there. I got all the kid terms down

00:47:36.060 here. And here is who he would like you to think he, he reminds you of MBD. Just a reminder. This

00:47:42.740 is from the American Psycho trailer. I feel lethal on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask

00:47:49.240 of sanity is about to slip. Do you have any witnesses or fingerprints?

00:48:01.140 Actually, yes.

00:48:08.920 You're a human.

00:48:09.840 I know my behavior can be erratic sometimes.

00:48:14.820 Hey, Paul! 0.99

00:48:17.400 I just had to kill a lot of people! 0.69

00:48:22.600 I mean, I'm just thinking, MVD, if they bring you on the Newsome campaign, you're not going to encourage this line of promo. 0.96

00:48:28.080 well you might be surprised um oh yeah i okay so it's very funny patrick bateman was written

00:48:39.360 to satirize the reagan era 80s he's a wall streeter obsessed with his pinstripe suits his

00:48:48.160 business you know the the tasteful thickness of business cards and uh you know scoring cocaine 0.98

00:48:55.440 and then he fantasizes about killing his colleagues and prostitutes uh in his psychotic dreams 0.81

00:49:02.880 and you know the idea is that he has this mask of a friendly six young successful uh you know 0.78

00:49:12.160 young urban professional but underneath is a kind of um insatiable bloodlust and will for power

00:49:19.680 Or a politician would normally never dare compare themselves to this kind of person because it's so incriminating.

00:49:29.360 And because politicians themselves are thought of to be these masks hiding unbelievably perverse urges and ambitions and desires.

00:49:42.980 But in a way, like, I think Rich is right and you're right.

00:49:47.920 There's main character energy here, and he's embracing it in a way that's like, I'm funny.

00:49:54.060 I'm not afraid.

00:49:55.200 I'm willing to take a joke at my own expense, even a sick one.

00:50:01.140 And, yeah, I think it – I actually think it shows that he's –

00:50:05.720 And on top of that, he got himself a segment on the MK show.

00:50:10.980 Yeah.

00:50:11.560 All right, stand by.

00:50:12.180 All right, Gavin, MBD is available for part-time consulting.

00:50:16.080 Rich keeps him pretty busy over at NR, but you know, you might benefit from his perspective.

00:50:21.040 I guarantee you would. Stand by. Much more with the guys after this.

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00:51:37.280 Now, before we continue on the Democratic line, because there's some news coming out

00:51:42.440 about these would-be candidates, Mayor Brandon Johnson just spoke to the death of Sheridan

00:51:48.720 Gorman.

00:51:49.500 And of course, the only way he was able to address it was a reporter forced him to do

00:51:54.620 it.

00:51:55.240 He didn't do it spontaneously.

00:51:56.500 A member of the press got in his face and basically insisted that he comment.

00:52:00.120 And here's what he said.

00:52:01.700 I'm going to continue to pray for those victims.

00:52:03.340 Will you take this opportunity to apologize to Sheridan's parents for the policies that you promoted that directly caused her death?

00:52:14.300 That suspect would not be in the city, would not be in the country, but for your policies.

00:52:18.960 Will you take this opportunity to apologize to Sheridan's parents?

00:52:20.700 Well, again, I believe that we're all grieving the loss of Sheridan and other folks who have lost their lives because of sentence violence.

00:52:28.040 And let's just be very clear, between the Safety Act and the Welcoming City Ordinance,

00:52:33.460 the Welcoming City Ordinance was passed 40 years ago by the first black mayor in the history of

00:52:36.940 Chicago. And the Safety Act was passed under the governor at that time, who was a Republican,

00:52:42.260 Governor Rauner. Thank you for your questions.

00:52:45.540 So you will not apologize to Sheridan's parents.

00:52:48.200 Hi, Mayor.

00:52:48.780 I apologize. You have nothing to say to him.

00:52:51.680 So he won't. He won't apologize to Sheridan's parents. He won't even acknowledge her.

00:52:58.040 by name. He just said, we're all grieving Sheridan and others too. We're all grieving

00:53:04.920 and others too. So he has to lump her death in with just random other acts of violence in Chicago.

00:53:10.860 And that's how he describes it. Just senseless violence. Nothing about the guy being an illegal 0.84

00:53:15.220 and only reference those two laws because the reporter who was a hero, we're trying to find

00:53:19.760 out who that was, um, raised the sanctuary city policies. And he's like, eh, somebody else passed

00:53:25.500 those as if this guy isn't fully behind them. This is just not it. He's a disgusting disappointment.

00:53:31.620 Chicago, I don't know how you did this to yourselves with this mayor. Your governor's 0.99

00:53:35.580 equally bad. Good luck with that. But the governor wants a promotion to president. I mean, he's

00:53:42.760 definitely getting ready to run MBD, Governor Pritzker. And he's not the only one. And there

00:53:49.040 was a very interesting piece in Axios that highlighted how three of the main expected

00:53:55.620 Democratic presidential candidates are leaning into their, quote, childhood traumas as a way

00:54:03.040 of introducing themselves to their constituents. And I have to say, totally on brand for Democrats.

00:54:10.540 Like, yeah, you know what? If you're going to run as a Republican, this is definitely not the way.

00:54:15.760 But as a dem, yeah, they like their men, super effeminate and tearful and full of trauma.

00:54:22.660 So here's how they're doing it.

00:54:25.660 Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, he has just released a book not long ago.

00:54:32.240 And this is what how Axios describes his pitch.

00:54:35.840 He writes about that he had a happy childhood and at points an unhappy childhood home.

00:54:41.600 It all comes down to the mother. 0.69

00:54:44.080 Of course, he says his mother, Judy, poor Judy, could be unstable and that he and his

00:54:50.280 siblings believe that if we were good, we could stop the chaos and the yelling.

00:54:54.800 Shapiro notes that he wrestled with whether to discuss such private family matters.

00:54:58.740 Right on, Josh.

00:54:59.820 Those are the right instincts.

00:55:00.900 This is not for public consumption, but ultimately did so because Democrats wanted him to know

00:55:06.340 because others have lived through similar experiences and because his mother's behavior

00:55:12.040 influenced his leadership style. You see, he says, it explains why I always sought to solve

00:55:19.000 problems. I had to anticipate a problem or a pain point before there was a blow up.

00:55:26.360 There was this exchange when CBS's Gayle King pressed him on that passage last month.

00:55:32.220 Watch. My mom taught me to be a fighter. My mom taught me to be someone who looked out for others

00:55:37.300 And in many ways, and I hope she's able to see this one day.

00:55:41.300 My mom is the hero in that book, and I would not be here but for what she taught me.

00:55:48.060 OK, remember, like the Kennedys of the world where they had more family drama than any

00:55:53.560 family ever born in America, and they shoved it under the rug like good American people? 0.77

00:56:00.920 Like, I was going to say Presbyterians, which is what Doug is.

00:56:04.440 but no, they're Catholic, like you and me, MVD. And they also believed in shoving baggage away.

00:56:09.700 That was the way to do it. There was lots to discuss and blame your problems on or to relate

00:56:14.320 to people with. But there used to be a stiff upper lip, like vein running through American

00:56:20.000 politics. And it's gone now, at least for the Democrat Party. Yeah, it is. And the contrast

00:56:26.520 with the Republicans couldn't be more stark. I mean, you have Donald Trump, who ran as a

00:56:31.920 successful billionaire real estate developer who recovered from multiple bankruptcies you know

00:56:37.120 never let him get down before him you had mitt romney you know another entirely successful

00:56:43.740 businessman and a grandfather to like an entire tribe of young businessmen and successful

00:56:51.660 people and before him war hero john mccain you know um survivor of hanoi hilton and uh

00:57:00.940 someone who'd never cried about it either um and now you get democrats basically

00:57:07.680 trying to run and say uh i'm not privileged like i'm not in any way privileged you guys like um

00:57:17.180 you know governor andy beshear who likes to take pot shots at jd vance and talks about like oh you

00:57:23.540 know he's he's making fun of my people the poor appellations you know it's like your people like 0.99

00:57:29.480 you grew up in the governor's mansion like you right couldn't have been a child of more privilege

00:57:35.140 than he was um you know it is this this weird thing of like um there's a kind of

00:57:45.860 bonding and heroism in mental dysfunction and um you know the struggle to cope with life as it is

00:57:57.240 uh, that is really, yeah, kind of embarrassing. Like talk to your life coach about it. Or like,

00:58:03.820 you know, if you, if you, if you no longer have the big giant Kennedy's clan family,

00:58:08.620 like, I don't know, just, just pour it into chat GPT. Like don't bother the whole about it.

00:58:15.840 I actually have several girlfriends who do that and they are convinced chat is like giving them

00:58:20.520 really good advice, but I, I agree with what you said. And it was actually a very important point.

00:58:25.120 It was a very important point about that. This is actually not a healthy thing to do,

00:58:30.040 like to spend all this time ruminating over your childhood trauma. You know, like you said,

00:58:37.400 tell it to your therapist or whatever, but I don't even know if that's a great idea. I have

00:58:40.640 a great therapist who doesn't allow this kind of thing at all. Like whenever you sort of give him

00:58:44.700 a pity point, he redirects you to like forward looking action. You know what I mean? Like

00:58:49.860 choices you can make that assume personal responsibility. And I love him for that,

00:58:54.400 But we don't do rumination. And this is what the Democrats want to do. They want to do it from public office. They want to do it while we're running for public office. They consider themselves the empathetic ones, Rich. This was a very widely circulated clip of Abigail Schreier, who wrote a great book about the dangers of rumination and went on Joe Rogan and discussed it. And listen to how she explained it here.

00:59:14.800 You know, I never really considered that until your book

00:59:18.380 Until I heard the title of your book and I read the synopsis of it. I never really considered it

00:59:24.140 I never considered that

00:59:25.960 Thinking about your problems all the time and talking about your problems all the time

00:59:30.780 Literally make the problems grow. That's right. I mean, it's the number one symptom of depression is what they call rumination

00:59:38.260 This pathological obsessing over your pain. Yeah, that's why stuff like exercise

00:59:43.840 That's one of the reasons, aside from chemical reasons, one of the reasons that doing anything, you know, that running errands is good for your mental health, getting out of your house and accomplishing anything is good for you.

00:59:55.200 But sitting around talking and thinking about your problems, that's a bad habit.

00:59:59.640 And the best cognitive behavioral therapists and others, you know, the dialectical behavioral therapists, the ones who do really well with depression, the first thing they do is try to break that bad pattern.

01:00:11.060 But a lot of therapists just indulge it.

01:00:13.840 So, I mean, it's an interesting psychological discussion, right, Rich?

01:00:16.840 But it's like it actually is relevant because this is what the Democrat Party writ large has been doing for years now.

01:00:24.160 I mean, how long would it take you to find 20 TikTok videos of leftist women crying about their made up problems or their fake disorders or listing?

01:00:35.200 And there'll be multiple. It's not going to be one thing.

01:00:37.260 It's going to be like five disorders that they've got that they need you to know about, which make them special, which just leads on to the cycle.

01:00:43.280 And then they have to elect leaders now who are starting to talk like them as opposed to pull up your bootstraps, you know, put your big girl pants on and get out there.

01:00:53.220 Yeah, they've all driven and participated in this culture of therapy.

01:00:55.920 And not only is it not good for you, I assume that Josh Shapiro's mother is still living.

01:01:01.420 If you have to say, oh, I hope she'll one day see that what I said in my book wasn't insulting to her and that she's the actual hero.

01:01:08.940 You shouldn't have said it.

01:01:10.120 You shouldn't have said it. 0.99

01:01:11.080 It's disgusting. 0.96

01:01:12.080 Wait, wait, there's more on that. Wait, let me just add to that, Rich. Forgive me for the interruption. But on Mother's Day last year, he posted on X, Axio's pointing out this was evident. He expressed gratitude to his mother-in-law, quote, who showed me unconditional love. What did he say about his mom? She raised me to care about the world around me. 0.94

01:01:33.000 He's throwing shade at his mom on X. 0.97

01:01:36.200 He damned her with faint praise. 0.59

01:01:37.700 I lost my mother several years ago. 0.99

01:01:39.060 We could have put a gun to my head and I never would have said a disparaging word about her.

01:01:44.280 So there's also this is part of our culture where we think being revelatory and being authentic or quote unquote authentic are healthier and more courageous.

01:01:54.700 And I just don't think that's necessarily true.

01:01:56.480 And this was really brought home to me.

01:01:57.560 I went to Hyde Park, home of FDR, a while ago, and they showed us his study.

01:02:04.440 And, of course, he was paralyzed after this awful bout with polio.

01:02:08.220 And what he would do when visitors came in, he would – they'd roll him down a ramp.

01:02:13.840 The ramp would collapse, and it would be normal stairs when the visitor came.

01:02:17.960 And they'd roll him behind a desk, get him into a chair, and he'd play around with the stamp collection.

01:02:22.600 And this was so painful for him.

01:02:24.000 He could only do it for like 20 minutes or so.

01:02:25.720 And the person would come in and have no idea there was anything wrong with him. He was such a bubbly personality that he would just talk the whole time and no one would think, oh, he's not walking around the room or he's not really moving. And after 20 minutes, the person would be ushered out. The steps would go up the ramp. And that was artifice, but also extremely courageous. He'd give speeches standing with his arms almost giving out because he was so obsessed with not seeming like a victim.

01:02:51.040 And a more recent example of this, MBD mentioned John McCain. I was covering him, I don't know, I think it was in 2000. And I was on the press bus with McCain, early stages of campaign where you're really intimate with the candidate. And all the reporters have left. And I left my notebook or something or tape recorder. So I went back after all the reporters were supposed to have left this van. And he was sitting in the back with an aide combing his hair. And I asked someone, why is an aide combing his hair? He can't lift his arms above here.

01:03:17.400 But he didn't want people to know. He didn't want to advertise that because he was not a victim. Right.

01:03:22.880 So that's the way in which I think this whole approach to life and how people deal with hardships is misbegotten.

01:03:32.040 That reminded me of something that happened in the Fox News.

01:03:35.160 Forgive me because I'm not going to remember the guy's name right now.

01:03:37.060 But we were covering Bridgegate with Chris Christie, remember, where they intentionally shut down the traffic over the bridge.

01:03:42.880 And everybody was very angry at Chris Christie and it kind of ruined his presidential chances.

01:03:46.760 It was a big scandal years ago. Anyway, we were having a Democrat politician from New Jersey on

01:03:52.540 to talk about the scandal. And we were broadcasting from a Fox News tent in Times Square, not from the

01:03:57.860 Fox News studio, because we were hosting the Super Bowl that year at Fox. And it was like a

01:04:01.740 promo. There's footballs everywhere. I was like, get excited. So whatever. We were a little off

01:04:05.240 site in a weird venue. Well, he comes over. He sits. He goes like up the stairs. He comes. He

01:04:11.400 sits next to me. And, um, during the segment, I'm, I'm interviewing him and he's not looking

01:04:17.020 at me. He keeps looking into the camera, which you should look in the camera when you're remote.

01:04:20.920 Like you guys are, you know, that it's weird if you're not looking at the camera, but if we're

01:04:24.340 sitting together on the set, you should look at the anchor. Cause that's what the audience

01:04:27.240 understands conversation will look like. Well, he wasn't looking at me. He kept looking at the

01:04:30.880 camera. And then like when we, when we had a moment, like where it would, the mics were down

01:04:36.060 and somebody else is talking, I'm like, it's okay. You can look at me just to try to make

01:04:39.680 the shot look better. Long story short, I later found out he would have looked at me, but he was

01:04:45.620 blind. He was blind. He's legally blind. He actually had had like, normally he would be

01:04:53.740 using a cane. Someone unbeknownst to me, cause I wasn't watching, helped him get on the set very

01:04:58.240 subtly. And I felt so bad that I had been like telling him where to look. No one told me he was

01:05:05.900 blind. I called him right after the segment. I'm like, please forgive me. I had no idea. And he

01:05:12.220 was so sweet. He was like, I didn't want you to know. He was like, I don't want anybody to know.

01:05:16.660 I like to sort of just deal with it and project as well as I can that I'm a seeing, sighted person.

01:05:22.900 And then of course, because I have this thing of sticking my foot in my mouth all the time,

01:05:27.440 I'm like, did you see that article in the New York Times this morning? I just kept saying the

01:05:32.100 word c you know like you triple down like stop somebody stop me anyway yeah you know who's who's

01:05:38.420 one of the great contemporary american figures in terms of exemplifying this anti-victim hood

01:05:43.800 mentality we're talking about is thomas soul right you read about thomas soul and yes people

01:05:49.080 discriminated against him facing racism and his attitude was always f you it's on you not on me

01:05:56.120 right yes and and if we had more of that across the country it'd be a very good thing

01:06:00.540 and speaking of incredible black scholars and leaders from whom we can learn a lot

01:06:06.140 Eli Steele and Shelby Steele and his son Eli the same uh Eli's he can't hear and he came on the

01:06:13.140 program once it was when we were just an audio podcast actually reduced me to tears when I found

01:06:18.080 out like he wanted to do it we didn't have video you guys so you couldn't see me he couldn't read

01:06:22.440 my lips. So he had to put on like this device and he was using his cochlear implants and he was

01:06:29.280 struggling to hear what I had to say, all of which I did not know. You could tell, obviously I knew

01:06:34.680 he had a hearing problem because he, the way he speaks is a little off. And, um, but he then

01:06:40.980 confessed at the end of the interview, um, you know, thank you so much for having us. I really

01:06:45.320 appreciate you letting us promote their documentary, which everybody should go see called

01:06:49.540 What Killed Michael Brown. It had been banned from Amazon. And it's a great, great look at

01:06:53.140 Ferguson, Missouri and race relations in America and what really got us here. And I said, I'm going

01:06:58.080 to make a confession to you. I almost, I almost canceled because I wasn't sure if the audience

01:07:03.600 is going to be able to understand you. And he said, I can, I want to tell you that everyone

01:07:08.580 else did. Everyone canceled us as soon as they found out about my problem. And then we had this

01:07:14.920 long discussion about how his dad, Shelby, another civil rights leader, but more heterodox than his

01:07:21.000 thought, like Thomas Sowell, refused to do sign language. He insisted that Eli grow up learning

01:07:27.360 to read lips. He wanted him to be able to function in a hearing world. It's just such a different

01:07:32.060 mindset than what we're seeing now. And not to pile on to Josh Shapiro, because back to our

01:07:39.320 friend Gavin Newsom, MBD's candidate in 2028, Rich. Newsom Bateman, 2028.

01:07:49.260 He's doing it too. And so is J.B. Pritzker, like literally one of the richest men in the world

01:07:57.540 wants us to remember his childhood trauma. And I'll give you the examples here. Here's Gavin

01:08:01.500 Newsom. He also has a new book, Young Man in a Hurry. In it, he recalls having dyslexia and how

01:08:08.180 As Mother Tessa tried to console him over his struggles in school, Rich, she said something he recalls as no crueler words could be spoken.

01:08:21.060 What did she say to little Gavin?

01:08:22.920 It's okay to be average, Gavin.

01:08:26.000 No crueler words.

01:08:28.000 Try to spend a day in the Kelly household, Gavin Newsom.

01:08:32.440 My parents were like, took one look at me and they're like, she's going to be with us for a long time.

01:08:36.180 And then they told me I wasn't special, all the things.

01:08:40.320 It wasn't cruel.

01:08:41.360 It was actually real and gave me hashtag goals.

01:08:45.280 And he says after his parents' divorce, his father, Bill, was often absent, Rich, leaving

01:08:51.720 Gavin, looking to give his father reasons to be a bigger part of his life.

01:08:57.980 So there he was, poor, average Gavin with a cruel mom and an absentee dad, leaving him

01:09:05.260 just looking to find someone, a father figure to be a bigger part of his life. Well, what do we

01:09:09.940 know was actually true in the case of Gavin Newsom? This is how he found himself. This was

01:09:14.200 his solution. And it was actually a really, really great one. Take a look at the magazine article that

01:09:18.960 documented exactly how Gavin Newsom dealt with his very cruel mom and his absentee dad. Here it

01:09:25.220 is for listening audience. He appears in a magazine and it's titled Children of the Rich.

01:09:29.620 and he is there with all the gettys all the getty children rich like another american iconic family

01:09:37.380 like the asters like the vanderbilts and he wants us to feel sorry for him because his mom said

01:09:42.100 one thing trying to make him feel better about his dyslexia that he thought was insensitive 0.97

01:09:46.480 and his dad was somewhat absentee after the divorce boo fucking who yeah this guy is never 0.98

01:09:53.900 going to convince anyone. He suffered any hardship. By the way, the harshest thing I've 0.99

01:09:59.400 heard recently that any parent has ever said to a kid that we're all inspired by the U.S. hockey

01:10:03.700 victory in the Olympics, prior victory in 1980, the coach of that team, Herb Brooks, was cut from

01:10:08.680 the 1960 U.S. Olympic team. That team goes on to win the gold medal while he's sitting there

01:10:14.220 watching at home with his dad. He was the last guy cut from the team. And after they win the

01:10:18.500 gold medal, his dad turns to him and said, son, I think they cut the right guy. And this inspired

01:10:25.220 him to be very tough on that team in 1980 and whip it into shape and win a gold medal

01:10:29.760 another way. But I'm not shedding any cheers for Gavin Newsom. And if he wins the presidency,

01:10:37.360 it's because the entire country looks at the example of California and says,

01:10:40.860 it's OK to be below average, Governor Newsom. Yeah, right. The mother was actually sugarcoating

01:10:47.400 it. MBD, J.B. Pritzker has not written a memoir, but he has spoken openly about losing his dad,

01:10:54.740 Donald, to a heart attack when he was seven. That's sad. And his mother to alcoholism when

01:11:00.000 he was 17. All right. Those are legit tragedies. He recalled his mother in an interview with the

01:11:06.020 New York Times, Sue, trying to explain her alcoholism when he was eight or nine, promising

01:11:11.160 to overcome it. But unfortunately, he said, she was never able to. It overcame her and took her

01:11:18.700 life. That is very sad, but it's going to be a very tough sell because the reason J.B. Pritzker

01:11:25.400 is telling this story, MBD, is because he literally has had one of the most privileged

01:11:31.680 lives a human being can have on earth in the modern day world. He is the heir to the Hyatt

01:11:40.620 Hotel fortune. He is rolling in dough. I mean, it's everywhere around him and it always has been.

01:11:49.060 And so now he has to find another way to make us feel sorry for him because his dad died when he

01:11:55.560 was young and his mom was an alcoholic, which I'm sorry, but that actually is a very common story

01:12:00.400 in america and i i just i don't see it happening where people are going to say notwithstanding the

01:12:05.960 billions he's just like me yeah it's not gonna make him relatable in any way and it is sad in

01:12:16.640 a way i mean i think that you know it's not just a reflection of of you know individual bad character

01:12:23.260 But I think it shows a society that, one, is careless with people's reputations, right?

01:12:31.040 That, like, people are careless with their parents' reputations.

01:12:35.520 And it's also one, I think it reflects a loss of faith in, you know, providence that, you know, the kind of bedrock belief that nothing is going to happen to you in this life without the loving permission of God behind it.

01:12:52.040 And if you believe that, then all of the tragedies in your life are in some way ordered to your final good and salvation.

01:13:02.400 And that's why people write their memoirs at the end of life usually, because that's when it becomes clearer that these obstacles, tensions, or tragedies actually brought about something great or good or necessary in their life over the long run.

01:13:22.040 But instead, we get this wallowing in the pain, which, again, does no one good. And I think it's literally a drag, like literally an emotional drag, but also like a spiritual drag down from a noble tradition of honoring our parents and having faith in that our life has a meaning and that these tragedies give it that meaning to something else,

01:13:51.180 like more nihilistic more despairing and you know like the only way we can relate to each other is

01:13:58.140 through wallowing in meaninglessness and in upset and terror at the universe it's uh all right i

01:14:05.940 have a follow-up for you i have a follow-up for you though is there any chance that this is playing

01:14:12.100 the long game because they're calculating their likely opponent is either someone named jd vance

01:14:20.180 or someone named Marco Rubio, both of whom have amazing origin stories that are legit and pretty

01:14:26.780 well-known at this point. Yeah, I think that is a huge part of it. And, you know, Vance and Rubio

01:14:33.540 both now have kind of, their stories are kind of merging in some ways. Like, you know, the story is

01:14:41.900 like, I come from a working class background. I come from people that struggled and saw struggle.

01:14:48.600 And yeah, there might've been a year where Vance lived in a house that was in total income, got to six figures. A lot of working class families live like that. If you're an, you know, if you're a rigger, if you're in some, you know, uh, kind of dangerous factory work, but of course, you know, you're also then dependent, uh, people that in your whole community depend on you to help them out when they have less.

01:15:13.340 And those are powerful stories. You know, the barman's son in the case of Marco Rubio or, you know, again, in the case of Vance, the son of an alcoholic, another absent father, but someone who rose up and like used the existing institutions of American meritocracy to rise above.

01:15:38.620 um that's much more powerful than anything andy beshear is going to tell you it's like i grew up

01:15:43.780 in the man in the governor's mansion and then i graduated into it like woohoo like what yay me

01:15:49.800 i mean a lot of stories are homecomings but it's usually not that literal um and you know and it's

01:15:58.140 the same thing with with pritzker which is like i was born to basically the progressive aristocracy

01:16:05.220 And now my family gives money to the progressive aristocracy across the rest of the country.

01:16:11.420 I mean, it's, again, not that inspiring.

01:16:16.160 One thing that was unusual about the rise of Donald Trump, among many others, there's just zero of this.

01:16:22.180 Zero, right?

01:16:22.720 His father was a very tough guy.

01:16:24.200 I'm sure his father said, like, really harsh things about him a lot, right?

01:16:28.200 His brother goes the wrong way, becomes an alcoholic, Trump's at military school for a while, right?

01:16:33.660 But zero of this. And his his story was like, I know how to fire people. And I know I know how corrupt politicians are because I've worked the system so I can fix it. Right. So it was none of this attempt to create.

01:16:47.480 Trump's attitude is exactly the opposite, Rich.

01:16:50.260 You're right.

01:16:50.740 Like Trump puts a positive spin on everything, right?

01:16:55.200 Like that's why in some instances you're like,

01:16:58.300 am I getting the straight skinny here?

01:17:00.100 Because I felt like that was a defeat,

01:17:02.700 but he's selling it like a victory

01:17:04.460 and I don't know what to believe.

01:17:05.740 But it's to his credit.

01:17:06.900 I mean, it's helped him

01:17:08.040 and it's helped the United States way more than it's hurt.

01:17:11.740 And it's one of his, I think, best qualities.

01:17:13.460 I've told the story before,

01:17:14.180 but I gave him an interview

01:17:15.460 at when we fought for that one year when I was at Fox. And then we did a special, like a special

01:17:20.800 that aired on Fox broadcast channel, you know, not that FNC, but the broadcast channel. And it

01:17:27.360 didn't do that well because it was across from like a series finale of some major show that

01:17:31.240 everybody loved. It did fine, but it wasn't like gangbusters. I talked to him the next day. You

01:17:35.740 would have thought it was the Superbowl ratings. The way he was like, oh, the numbers are huge.

01:17:39.460 I'm like, this is so funny. He knows exactly what the numbers are. He knows that they weren't huge.

01:17:43.320 And he knows we lost, I think, to CBS because of this series finale. But it's just Trump. You know, he just he's going to say it was amazing and it was awesome and it was wonderful, even if it wasn't, which is exactly the opposite of the instinct of all these Democrats who were like, boo hoo.

01:17:58.700 My mom was mean in that one comment that one time Trump could be out there like they shot me in the head. 1.00

01:18:07.560 They tried to put me like he does complain here and there, but just usually with a sense of humor and a way of like trying to expose what the other side is, as opposed to make you feel sorry for him.

01:18:18.140 All right. I want to keep going because I'm interested in the J.D.

01:18:21.300 Marco thing in light of what we're seeing right now in the Republican Party.

01:18:24.400 And you guys are great people to ask about this, because I would say, just knowing you both, Rich, you're probably more on the like hawkish side of the party and MBD is probably more on the non-interventionalist side.

01:18:36.960 And right now the party's having, I don't know if you call it a civil war, a fight.

01:18:42.220 Republicans love to fight with each other.

01:18:44.260 I mean, like it's the thing on the right.

01:18:47.240 They never march along to party orders.

01:18:50.060 Unfortunately, they're not like the Democrats.

01:18:52.120 They're like individualism and we have disagreements. Let's hash them out. Let's fight. And then they lose elections badly. And they're like, oh, shit, we need to get along for a little while. So where do you see the current battle going?

01:19:05.300 How about that one, MBD? Because right now, the conventional wisdom is that the more neoconny, more hawkish wing of the party that which had felt out of favor with Trump, you know, they had thought Trump was more of a non-interventionalist with some some hawkish instincts.

01:19:19.800 We had Soleimani, we had al-Baghdadi. And then, of course, prior to now, we had the Iranian nuclear plant strike in Venezuela. I don't think even they were anticipating full scale war with Iran.

01:19:30.560 So they're feeling that like their star is ascendant, their worldview is ascendant, and the non-interventionalists are on the, you know, descend or irrelevant entirely.

01:19:43.320 But they make up some 20 percent of the party, that latter group at least, and young people in particular lean towards non-interventionalists.

01:19:52.180 So where does that leave the Republican Party now, its future and its and the likely battle to come on the presidential nomination front?

01:20:01.120 I think so much depends on how successful this operation in Iran really is.

01:20:11.440 There's just you've seen the polls that while Republicans are broadly supportive of the president and his mission in Iran, they're worried.

01:20:21.300 They're worried about gas prices. They're worried about the war dragging on, and they're worried about mission break.

01:20:28.880 And that's why the president is out there kind of every few days saying, like, it's almost over, or it's four or five weeks, or we basically finished the job already, but it's not finished yet.

01:20:42.520 you know there's he's obviously conscious of this dynamic and you know the latest poll i saw today

01:20:49.460 was only 66 percent of republicans really backed the president on the war in iran that's actually

01:20:56.760 a very low number for donald trump uh or for any republican president in a major initiative

01:21:02.660 you know there's there's always a tendency when a pollster calls you up and asks you know do you

01:21:09.460 support this or that you know i think most people go into those conversations thinking

01:21:13.920 i don't want to accidentally help the side that i'm against so even if i have a problem i'm going

01:21:20.560 to kind of hedge towards the president and my party uh but but you know you're seeing six

01:21:27.460 support in a party very little in the democratic party very little among the independents you know

01:21:34.880 if you are ben shapiro or mark levin or some of these commentators who are saying like i want to

01:21:41.740 take ownership of this and we're the ones who really own and define trump presidency now

01:21:47.040 and the america lasters are this tiny rump that doesn't matter anymore i think you're basically

01:21:53.980 saying like we're in charge of a minority a party that's going to swiftly be in the minority in

01:21:59.280 November. And I'm not sure how that's going to work out for them. I mean, I, you know, if you

01:22:07.080 see the poll numbers for the president and his party sinking as low as they have been among the

01:22:13.100 general public, you know, I don't think that's the time to take the wheel and say, I'm the driver

01:22:18.900 now. I'm the one steering this car because it's about to crash. How do you see it, Rich?

01:22:25.300 So I think there are a couple unknowns, right? The big one, which MBD led with there is how does this end? Is it perceived as a success or is it perceived as a failure? That will make a huge difference. And then there's kind of the internal game.

01:22:40.220 So J.D. Vance obviously, at the very least, is not enamored of this operation, whether he opposes it or not.

01:22:47.180 We don't know. But does Trump kind of appreciate him keeping his head down and basically being a team player?

01:22:53.340 So that's a benefit to the ultimate competition for a Trump endorsement.

01:22:58.480 Or, you know, if it goes wrong and J.D. has kind of proved right, does Trump resent that?

01:23:03.280 You know, it's very difficult to to know or game out exactly how that interaction is going to go down.

01:23:10.800 And then with with Rubio, I had a connected person who was making a very good case that I hadn't thought of quite this way recently, just saying he's not going to run.

01:23:21.080 This is a guy who is at the pinnacle of his power. He's at the hand of a very powerful president. Pursuing priority is very important for him. Iran's one, but Venezuela is much more of one. And Cuba's at the top of the list and has an ability to be a legacy-shaping secretary of state.

01:23:43.760 So really, in about eight months from now or nine months after the midterms, is he going to say, forget it, I'm quitting all that, I'm giving all that up, and I'm going to the pizza restaurants in Iowa and living there for the next year and a half, and what might be an underdog campaign against the J.D. Vance, who's a favorite?

01:24:02.900 Why would he do that? So I think a lot of people are thinking Vance Rubio. I'm not sure whether Rubio is going to be in that equation unless, you know, there's some inside track we're not aware of.

01:24:13.500 And and Trump's really bonded with him. And there's some chance that he could give his nod formally or informally to Rubio.

01:24:20.000 That would be a game changer. But otherwise, if you're Rubio, you're sitting very pretty right right now and you're still young and have a lot of time.

01:24:27.940 rich you tell me how the more hawkish wing of the party would feel about jd vance

01:24:35.000 i think there there'd be a lot of disquiet over jd vance but at the end of the day

01:24:40.800 you know if someone's the party's nominee uh the the alternative is going to be worse right

01:24:47.480 if he's running against aoc or gavin i mean they'll probably be less hawkish uh than than he

01:24:53.780 is even. So people, there's very little alternative to getting on board. But there's

01:25:00.660 certainly be disquiet, because I think in some respects, J.D., I don't know whether he actually

01:25:06.420 thinks this or whatever, express it. But I imagine that he might think of himself a little bit as

01:25:12.780 Trump is the John the Baptist ideologically with this more populous, non-interventionist approach

01:25:18.100 that Trump's kind of on board with, but not always, as we've seen with Iran. And J.D. is the

01:25:23.460 pure version, right? He's, he's the ideological savior. He's, he's working the logic all the way

01:25:28.880 to, uh, it's, it's end point. And there gotta be a lot of people who weren't, weren't a huge on

01:25:35.500 Donald Trump to begin with, but have, have, uh, warmed up to him, especially after this, who are,

01:25:39.780 who are going to not like the idea of, of a J.D. Vance nomination.

01:25:45.340 Oh yeah. I mean, that's one of the things I saw you write this week, MBD was like, it's,

01:25:49.260 It's kind of funny to watch those same people like the Ben Shapiro's of the world who never, who was literally a never-Trumper, now try to claim ownership of him.

01:25:58.000 Like, yes, this is, you know, I'm MAGA.

01:26:00.680 This is my movement.

01:26:02.540 And looking at sort of the more non-interventionalist wing of the party, which was something Trump had repeatedly said he would be pursuing.

01:26:09.260 No war in the Middle East, no wars, no new wars, no war with Iran, he even said, as like theirs and casting that wing as though they didn't know Trump at all and they've never been really pro-Trump or MAGA.

01:26:20.880 Yeah, I mean, you can go through YouTube clips, you know, the Trump Vance ticket promoted itself as the peace ticket, etc. And that didn't mean completely no military action whatsoever. But he was absolutely a critic of long drawn out wars in the Middle East that didn't yield anything.

01:26:43.840 and you know you can find a clip from the 1980s where he talks about what we could do to iran but

01:26:50.620 that doesn't eliminate what he said at every campaign stop and rally um and and the fact is

01:26:58.300 like the reason that mark levin in 2015 said he would never vote for trump the reason

01:27:04.860 ben shapiro said he'd never vote for trump is because trump was invoking this other republican

01:27:12.160 tradition, which, you know, has roots in the party, you know, going back to before World War II

01:27:17.580 of not wanting to plow under every other boy from the heartland in order to fulfill some kind of

01:27:27.000 dream of global dominance. And, you know, that part of the party is still with us and it's never

01:27:37.320 really gone away uh and it's kind of risen up after people have looked at the you know what

01:27:43.640 what does it cost us to try to manage the middle east into our um you know into behaving the way

01:27:53.360 we want it to um you know that there's a paradox to power right that you know like uh and there's

01:28:00.500 a paradox to security you know like one man might think like the only way i can be truly secure

01:28:05.720 is if I install cameras in all my neighbors' houses

01:28:08.820 to make sure I know exactly what they're doing

01:28:11.360 and I'm safe all the time.

01:28:13.080 But at the same time, that costs you your mental peace,

01:28:16.240 it costs you money, and it makes you paranoid

01:28:19.620 about every single thing that's happening in your neighborhood.

01:28:24.100 Similarly, with the United States,

01:28:25.980 suddenly we have to worry about what's in the textbooks

01:28:30.900 in Karbala, in Iraq, if you're trying to manage the entire globe.

01:28:38.900 And, you know, a lot of Republicans, you know, don't even trust the DMV to take care of their

01:28:45.180 driver's license, let alone the Department of Defense to, you know, turn Mesopotamia into a 0.75

01:28:51.680 Madisonian paradise. Oh, God. You know, so like, well, I don't. I mean, we've got

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01:31:19.260 Hey, everyone. It's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news.

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01:31:55.900 I think it's important to check in with a real salt of the earth, American citizens, and see what they're thinking.

01:32:03.060 And thanks to a correspondent for Jesse Waters, who used to do this kind of thing himself,

01:32:08.080 we can take you right to the heart of the American youth vote to see what they're thinking about this war here in Sop 14.

01:32:14.380 What college do you guys go to?

01:32:16.360 UTC

01:32:16.860 FAU

01:32:17.940 Sacred Heart University

01:32:19.180 Ohio State

01:32:20.040 Spring Break 2026

01:32:21.780 What is the game plan?

01:32:23.240 Drinking

01:32:23.860 Blackout with my rockout

01:32:25.300 What issue facing America is the most important to you?

01:32:29.060 What bikini I'm going to wear next?

01:32:30.800 Obesity is terrible

01:32:32.740 Ice

01:32:33.320 Not personally, I'm legal

01:32:35.800 Getting a tan on the beach

01:32:37.080 What have you heard that Donald Trump has been doing recently?

01:32:40.820 Gulf of America

01:32:41.440 That's the last thing I kept up with

01:32:43.280 We're going to war with Iraq, that's been crazy. 1.00

01:32:45.980 What do you do in Colombia, you got Maduro out?

01:32:47.520 You must be happy.

01:32:48.520 I'm very happy.

01:32:49.360 The Ayatollah's dead.

01:32:50.720 What, who?

01:32:51.800 What?

01:32:52.640 What is that?

01:32:53.400 Who the is Ayatollah?

01:32:54.820 I have never heard that word in my life.

01:32:56.480 Luis, what's Ayatollah?

01:32:58.640 I haven't heard.

01:32:59.820 I found out about Chuck Norris yesterday.

01:33:01.500 That was more devastating to me.

01:33:02.520 If you were in charge, how would you take on Iran? 0.78

01:33:05.840 Yeah, all my girls and we would all

01:33:07.020 start putting belt of on them. 0.84

01:33:08.480 We get a bunch of girls in bikini, 1.00

01:33:09.780 we make them run across the battlefield.

01:33:11.520 All the guys are distracted.

01:33:12.680 We all run it.

01:33:13.820 Look at him in his eyes, I guess.

01:33:17.340 Flirt with him? 0.99

01:33:18.160 I'd blow him up. 0.97

01:33:19.560 I don't know enough about it, but I would probably wipe it out. 1.00

01:33:23.340 Drop a bomb, baby. 1.00

01:33:25.000 Bomb the s*** out of him. 1.00

01:33:26.220 Where is Venezuela? 1.00

01:33:27.700 I don't know.

01:33:28.620 I'm drunk.

01:33:29.240 I really, I don't know.

01:33:30.600 Venezuela?

01:33:31.340 Isn't that in Spain?

01:33:33.060 No.

01:33:34.960 Rich, in all the strategy meetings you've had at NR and coming up with your editorials,

01:33:39.180 I bet you I bet no one, not not MBD, not Charles Cook ever said we should lead with blackout with my rack out.

01:33:49.360 I thought the same thing you alluded to at the beginning of that clip.

01:33:52.260 This guy is the next next Jesse Waters, right?

01:33:54.800 Just give him 10 or 15 years.

01:33:56.400 Yes, the way he works for Jesse.

01:33:58.420 Yeah, the way.

01:33:58.800 There we go.

01:34:00.040 He's working for O'Reilly.

01:34:01.540 Can I come back to what MBD was saying?

01:34:04.660 Model.

01:34:05.160 So I don't think it's just a statement in 1980 from Trump.

01:34:08.460 I mean, he's made hawkish sounds about Iran across the decades, and I think he genuinely hates this regime.

01:34:16.640 And I also think temperamentally, we've seen it especially in the second term here.

01:34:20.220 This is a guy who loves exercising power and loves doing it at maximum discretion.

01:34:26.220 And if you're commander-in-chief of the United States, what does that lead you to?

01:34:31.500 You're going to lean on the U.S. military.

01:34:33.900 And I think just the operation against Maduro and the lightning success of that led him to believe this could be similarly successful.

01:34:42.980 Now, this is a much tougher nut to crack and we'll see how it how it turns out.

01:34:47.180 But I think this is this is a Trump thing.

01:34:50.160 He wasn't talked into it by anyone.

01:34:52.180 He wasn't tricked.

01:34:53.560 I don't agree with that.

01:34:54.480 He was talked into it by Israel.

01:34:56.400 That's not true.

01:34:57.440 It's not anti-Israel or to say Trump is a weakling to say that he was talked into it by Netanyahu.

01:35:03.620 and Netanyahu's surrogates like Lindsey Graham.

01:35:06.260 He's the commander-in-chief of the United States.

01:35:07.740 He's the decider.

01:35:08.700 And if he didn't want to do this,

01:35:09.760 he just would have said no.

01:35:09.780 Of course he's the decider.

01:35:11.580 So it's not, you know.

01:35:12.980 No, but that's not the same thing, Rich.

01:35:14.680 To be talked into it is not the same thing

01:35:18.000 as saying someone else made the decision for him,

01:35:20.840 which removes agency from Trump.

01:35:22.540 But there are people trying to talk him out of it.

01:35:24.360 Yes, he did.

01:35:24.620 And people trying to talk him into it.

01:35:26.220 And he makes the ultimate.

01:35:27.320 Who was trying to talk him out of it?

01:35:28.880 One person.

01:35:29.900 Lots of people on the outside.

01:35:31.380 Now, it's true that the planning process was truncated. All the kind of downsides of this are very Trump. If you want to look at it in a negative way, impulsive decision, over-optimistic about it. We're talking about his optimism earlier. There are upsides to that. No planning process, a very truncated planning process and kind of erratic goals.

01:35:52.180 that's all trump this this has all the hallmarks of a trump operations which is why the buck stops

01:36:00.180 with him on this you know no one else is responsible he's responsible he's the one

01:36:05.140 decided to to launch it and it's understandable why he did it and again it's very characteristic

01:36:10.240 so i i just don't i don't get the effort to kind of get the blame or the credit whatever you want

01:36:17.500 to consider off on someone else. This guy, this is a guy who I have no interest in doing that.

01:36:22.460 But I also find it weird that some people don't want to acknowledge that Israel did push for this

01:36:27.420 war very, very hard. You don't have to take Megyn Kelly's word for it. Netanyahu is all over the 0.81

01:36:32.760 papers and on video saying exactly that. Like we know that's true. I don't know why you tried to

01:36:38.720 make it so serious. Rich Lowry, back to the video. Sot 15 MBD, I got something for you.

01:36:47.500 bad twerking mbd it's spring break in america and down in florida and some towns they are

01:37:06.900 cracking down on the twerking as illegal as now indecent exposure and inappropriate and um i want

01:37:15.680 to know whether you are a pro or against, because I think those girls may not know anything about 1.00

01:37:20.240 the Ayatollah, but they definitely know how to eat properly and buy a good bikini.

01:37:27.920 Yeah, I mean, listen, the glory of American life is that Americans pursue happiness

01:37:37.000 however they want to, and they're not being instrumentalized into some global mission

01:37:45.480 where they have to care about the Ayatollah

01:37:47.340 if they don't want to.

01:37:50.100 As for criminalizing and twerking,

01:37:53.100 I just think that's beyond

01:37:55.600 the government's competence at this point.

01:37:59.600 I don't think it should be prioritized.

01:38:03.620 I think, you know,

01:38:04.600 there's other battles to fight first, you know.

01:38:10.060 Don't you think that we should have

01:38:11.280 Charles assigned this as an NR piece?

01:38:14.740 I mean, Rich, who does the assignment assignments over there? Is it you? Charles lives in Florida.

01:38:19.200 He has to deal with the twerking firsthand and he hates government interference like MBD is explaining right now.

01:38:26.120 So what do you think, MBD? You should nudge him.

01:38:28.480 I will nudge. I will nudge him. I mean, right now we're trying to deal with the twerking privately. 1.00

01:38:33.460 My daughter is in a dance company and, you know, the tweenie girls do this just to get a rise out of their moms and dads. 1.00

01:38:44.060 and you know so so we're trying to handle this uh as parents first you know authority begins in the

01:38:51.220 home and uh that's where it should stay and uh it's a good reminder it's a good reminder that

01:38:57.100 i'll never let my daughter go on spring break until she is uh 45 or something like that yes 0.72

01:39:03.560 honestly same or without you there daddy's coming you can do it as a family affair all right last

01:39:10.060 but not least, and not unrelated, I wanted to ask you guys your take on the founder of OnlyFans,

01:39:16.840 Leonid Radvinsky, 43 years old, died of cancer. And it was one of the richest guys in the world,

01:39:26.120 worth like $8 billion, thanks to OnlyFans, which is porn. It's a porn website. I mean,

01:39:31.540 not everything on there is total porn. Like some women just show their feet 1.00

01:39:34.740 and people pay lots of money to see them.

01:39:37.920 But there's a ton of porn on OnlyFans.

01:39:40.900 I've never actually been on OnlyFans, full disclosure,

01:39:43.480 but I see enough in the news to know what's on there,

01:39:45.600 including that Bonnie Blue who had sex with, 1.00

01:39:49.280 I don't, I can't keep track of them,

01:39:50.660 like a thousand men in a day.

01:39:52.180 And then the other girl who,

01:39:54.320 what's the other gal's name? 1.00

01:39:55.420 Who's like her competition, Lily Phillips, 1.00

01:39:58.560 thank you, my team, who now says,

01:40:01.100 and she did another like a thousand men in a day. 0.98

01:40:03.980 Now she says she's converted to Christianity.

01:40:06.280 She had like a or she's like renewed her Christianity by having an adult baptism.

01:40:11.500 OK, but what do you make of it, Rich?

01:40:14.140 This guy's legacy.

01:40:15.960 Billionaire, very successful.

01:40:17.440 Got some of these girls away from triple X porn sets where they have to do this, you know, on a set. 1.00

01:40:23.100 But it leaves you feeling pretty skeezy.

01:40:26.600 Small D democratization of porn. 0.94

01:40:29.100 porn. So you tend to hear in the press of the stories, you know, someone who's a junior in

01:40:35.040 college, and now they're making, you know, $500,000 a month, and they've bought a new Jaguar,

01:40:40.420 but you don't hear all the stories of the girls who have let themselves be exploited and basically

01:40:45.560 gotten nothing from it. So this is a terrible trend. It seems to be sort of an unstoppable

01:40:52.140 tide in an American life. But it used to be, you know, these were magazines hidden in the back of

01:41:00.040 some shop and you'd have to go purchase them and feel shame when you did it. And now it's just

01:41:04.180 accessible to everyone, the girls who are doing the porn and the consumers. So it's a very bad

01:41:11.980 trend, but apparently an unstoppable one. I think it's a bad trend, too. I just feel like

01:41:17.380 whenever I see those girls like in an interview, I want to do an intervention. I want to help them 0.85

01:41:21.920 like get an education and do something more wholesome with their life and with their body

01:41:27.320 and help relieve them of the massive shame that must be driving them to seek this sort of

01:41:32.600 affirmation over and over again. That's my take on it. Guys, a pleasure as always. MBD, great to

01:41:38.360 see you, Richie, as well. Go become an NR Plus subscriber today. We're back tomorrow and we'll

01:41:44.540 see all of you then. Thanks, guys. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS,

01:41:49.800 no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 24, 2026

Tragic Killing of College Student in Chicago By Illegal Migrant, and Dems Use Trauma in 2028 Prep, with Rich Lowry and MBD ｜ Ep. 1280

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