The Megyn Kelly Show - Trans Activist Emotional Blackmail, Silencing Women, and Redefining Words to Win Arguments, with Helen Joyce ｜ Ep. 590

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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:42.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.380 Before we get to today's program,

00:00:47.340 which I am so excited about,

00:00:49.660 I want to tell you that tomorrow

00:00:50.940 we are going to be bringing you

00:00:52.980 one heck of an exclusive interview.

00:00:54.820 In just about an hour from right now,

00:00:57.080 as we are live on the air at SiriusXM Triumph Channel,

00:00:59.820 111,

00:01:01.120 two IRS whistleblowers,

00:01:03.220 one whose name we know,

00:01:04.780 one whose name we're about to find out,

00:01:07.200 are about to testify before Congress

00:01:09.020 about Hunter Biden

00:01:10.720 and corruption

00:01:11.980 at their former agency,

00:01:14.360 the IRS.

00:01:15.560 Tomorrow,

00:01:16.360 they will join me together

00:01:18.160 for their very first joint interview.

00:01:21.200 We do not even know,

00:01:22.980 as of the moment I'm speaking to you,

00:01:25.040 what the name of the second whistleblower is

00:01:27.420 who's booked to come on this show tomorrow.

00:01:30.000 We've been dealing with their counsel.

00:01:32.340 So we're very excited to have them both come on tomorrow.

00:01:35.680 We're devoting the entire show

00:01:36.860 to that interview

00:01:38.320 so that we can get to the bottom

00:01:39.680 of everything that happened

00:01:41.280 and that they've been

00:01:42.800 alleging publicly now

00:01:44.540 in the wake of,

00:01:46.380 you know,

00:01:46.600 this congressional testimony

00:01:47.540 that they're going to give today.

00:01:48.460 And I'm sure there'll be plenty of blowback tonight,

00:01:50.100 which we'll get to ask them about.

00:01:52.660 Thank you to them

00:01:54.080 for agreeing to the interview

00:01:55.040 and thanks to all of you

00:01:55.740 for tuning in for it.

00:01:57.060 But first,

00:01:58.380 we are joined today

00:01:59.860 for the full show

00:02:01.060 by someone you have requested

00:02:02.360 many, many times.

00:02:04.560 And now I have read her book twice.

00:02:07.200 It is well worth the time.

00:02:08.500 I listened to it via audio.

00:02:10.020 I read it myself.

00:02:11.560 I read my team's packet on it.

00:02:13.400 I can't get enough of it.

00:02:14.380 I learn something new each time.

00:02:16.300 And that woman's name is Helen Joyce. 0.55

00:02:18.340 She's a journalist and author

00:02:19.600 who has studied the roots

00:02:21.580 of transgender ideology,

00:02:23.580 how it became mainstream.

00:02:25.280 And she provides

00:02:26.760 much needed pushback

00:02:28.500 on some of the most repeated claims

00:02:31.120 that we get from these trans activists.

00:02:33.640 As Helen points out,

00:02:35.320 arguably one of the most detrimental aspects

00:02:37.780 of this ideology

00:02:38.760 is its erasure of women

00:02:41.440 and safe single sex spaces.

00:02:45.100 It is something I brought attention

00:02:46.500 to many times here on this show,

00:02:47.860 as you know,

00:02:48.280 from the case of the Connecticut Runners.

00:02:49.780 The girls who were forced 0.88

00:02:51.040 to compete against boys

00:02:52.380 who said they were transgender

00:02:53.820 in high school,

00:02:55.180 two members of the University of Wyoming's

00:02:56.940 Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority

00:02:58.200 who were forced

00:02:59.320 to welcome a biological man

00:03:00.800 into their chapter

00:03:01.560 only to be subjected

00:03:02.520 according to their allegations

00:03:03.560 with him pleasuring himself

00:03:06.080 and dealing with his erection 0.82

00:03:07.320 as he watched these poor girls 0.98

00:03:09.540 doing yoga

00:03:10.240 and getting changed

00:03:11.460 and behaving like normal young women 0.95

00:03:13.200 in their sorority house.

00:03:14.420 There's a lawsuit

00:03:14.980 over all of that right now.

00:03:17.120 Helen has been calling attention

00:03:18.400 to this for quite some time

00:03:19.680 and she is the journalist

00:03:20.680 and author of the book

00:03:22.000 Trans,

00:03:23.620 When Ideology Meets Reality.

00:03:26.780 Helen,

00:03:27.240 welcome to the show.

00:03:28.120 It's so great to meet you.

00:03:30.180 It's absolutely brilliant

00:03:31.260 to be on, Megan.

00:03:31.980 I'm so excited

00:03:32.740 about this interview.

00:03:33.700 Thank you so much.

00:03:35.080 Can I tell you,

00:03:35.560 I want to tell you

00:03:35.960 in the audience something.

00:03:36.660 So you were booked

00:03:37.280 to come on,

00:03:38.280 I don't know,

00:03:38.520 a month or two ago,

00:03:39.260 probably two months ago.

00:03:40.620 And my team prepares me packets

00:03:41.980 for anybody who's coming on

00:03:43.060 and they're in depth.

00:03:44.820 And so if I don't get

00:03:45.660 to read an entire book,

00:03:46.600 I usually have a good idea

00:03:48.100 of what's in it

00:03:48.760 thanks to the research packets.

00:03:50.300 Well, I'm reading yours

00:03:51.340 and as soon as I got halfway,

00:03:53.200 I'm like,

00:03:53.760 we have to move her. 0.96

00:03:55.720 I want to read the entire book.

00:03:56.880 There's no way

00:03:57.600 I'm half-assing this.

00:03:59.020 I need to know everything

00:03:59.840 this woman thinks 0.99

00:04:00.500 about every single thing

00:04:01.760 related to this subject.

00:04:03.120 And as I said now,

00:04:04.000 I've read the book

00:04:04.880 and listened to it

00:04:05.620 a total of three times.

00:04:07.100 So,

00:04:07.980 thrilled,

00:04:08.360 thrilled,

00:04:08.620 thrilled.

00:04:08.740 This is way more exciting

00:04:09.860 to me than meeting

00:04:10.840 like a Jennifer Aniston. 1.00

00:04:12.260 Meeting Helen Joyce

00:04:13.060 is like,

00:04:14.100 I'm starstruck.

00:04:15.140 So,

00:04:15.940 thrilled,

00:04:16.240 thrilled,

00:04:16.480 thrilled to have access

00:04:17.180 to you and your brilliant,

00:04:18.380 brilliant mind.

00:04:19.160 Okay.

00:04:19.700 Sorry for the fangirl moment.

00:04:21.320 Well,

00:04:21.780 I'm fangirling too,

00:04:22.780 so we can do it mutually

00:04:23.760 and move on.

00:04:25.380 Okay,

00:04:25.800 good.

00:04:26.840 Okay.

00:04:27.580 This is where I want to start.

00:04:29.560 The woman who runs

00:04:30.860 Human Rights Campaign,

00:04:32.600 this group that used to be

00:04:33.860 all about gay rights,

00:04:35.880 but now is

00:04:36.660 trans more,

00:04:38.040 transmogrified 1.00

00:04:39.420 into all about

00:04:40.340 trans rights.

00:04:41.740 Her name is Kelly Robinson

00:04:42.840 and she sent out a tweet

00:04:43.980 not long ago

00:04:45.080 that I see often

00:04:46.440 from these trans activists.

00:04:48.060 And her tweet read,

00:04:50.280 trans women

00:04:50.960 are women.

00:04:52.320 That's it.

00:04:53.360 That's the tweet.

00:04:55.360 It's a lie.

00:04:56.660 And the more I read

00:04:58.000 your book,

00:04:58.620 the more I came

00:04:59.580 to realize

00:05:00.320 why the lie

00:05:01.860 is so important

00:05:02.860 to their activists

00:05:04.220 and why it's so important

00:05:06.060 for us

00:05:06.600 on the side of reality

00:05:07.620 and reason

00:05:08.500 to call it out

00:05:10.020 as a lie

00:05:10.560 that trans women 0.66

00:05:11.900 are in fact men.

00:05:13.400 They are biological men.

00:05:15.420 They are men.

00:05:17.100 And them trying

00:05:18.240 to change

00:05:19.160 that

00:05:20.020 understanding

00:05:21.720 is it's for a reason

00:05:23.980 and it's critical

00:05:24.880 to them winning

00:05:25.660 this debate.

00:05:26.340 Can you expand on that?

00:05:27.980 Sure.

00:05:30.260 I mean,

00:05:30.580 this is a movement

00:05:31.520 that is entirely linguistic.

00:05:34.100 I mean,

00:05:34.340 we aren't actually

00:05:35.000 able to change sex.

00:05:36.340 Everyone who has ever

00:05:37.360 thought about anything

00:05:38.780 about human beings

00:05:39.660 knows we're mammals.

00:05:41.280 We know we evolved that way

00:05:42.560 and mammals can't change sex. 1.00

00:05:44.020 You're conceived male or female 0.94

00:05:45.180 and that's what you're

00:05:45.840 going to grow up.

00:05:46.800 You can,

00:05:47.360 you know,

00:05:47.480 a man who castrates himself

00:05:48.820 does not become a woman.

00:05:50.140 A woman who has 0.90

00:05:51.160 a neophallus

00:05:52.000 crafted out of her thigh

00:05:53.140 and stitched onto her groin 1.00

00:05:54.300 does not become a man.

00:05:55.940 We all know that.

00:05:56.800 So the only meaning

00:05:58.860 that you can give

00:05:59.620 to statements like

00:06:00.500 trans women are women 0.54

00:06:01.460 is a linguistic one.

00:06:03.020 It's all about words,

00:06:04.200 that we're changing

00:06:04.940 the definition of words

00:06:06.180 and that by changing

00:06:07.040 the words,

00:06:07.620 we change the reality.

00:06:09.520 And that's why

00:06:10.120 this is a movement

00:06:10.780 that is so keen

00:06:12.020 on censoring people

00:06:13.200 because as far

00:06:14.460 as they're concerned,

00:06:15.400 when you say,

00:06:16.460 as you just did,

00:06:17.420 no trans women are men,

00:06:19.580 that speech act

00:06:20.680 is creating a reality

00:06:22.020 that they don't like.

00:06:23.500 And so they must silence you

00:06:24.740 to give space

00:06:25.400 for the speech act

00:06:26.180 that they like,

00:06:26.900 which is trans women 0.95

00:06:27.740 are women,

00:06:28.280 full stop,

00:06:29.040 no debate,

00:06:29.980 that's it,

00:06:30.740 that's the tweet.

00:06:32.020 And by saying it,

00:06:32.820 they think that creates reality.

00:06:34.300 It's sort of a queer theory thing.

00:06:35.840 It comes very much

00:06:36.540 from universities,

00:06:38.260 this postmodern turn,

00:06:40.200 they call it,

00:06:41.680 in which you think

00:06:42.280 that everything

00:06:42.760 is socially constructed,

00:06:44.140 that everything

00:06:44.620 is about language,

00:06:45.960 that the words

00:06:46.720 that you use

00:06:47.540 can erase all sorts

00:06:49.020 of inconvenient facts

00:06:50.420 about the world.

00:06:51.340 And you end up

00:06:52.140 with the world

00:06:52.500 that you want

00:06:53.140 because it's the world

00:06:53.900 that you're creating

00:06:54.640 with your words.

00:06:55.400 We have lost

00:06:57.820 the debate

00:06:58.340 if we say

00:06:59.660 women aren't allowed 1.00

00:07:01.800 in women's bathrooms, 1.00

00:07:03.000 women aren't allowed 1.00

00:07:04.180 in women's prisons, 1.00

00:07:05.320 in women's locker rooms. 1.00

00:07:06.960 And that's,

00:07:07.820 that's their design.

00:07:08.920 If we say men

00:07:10.940 are not allowed

00:07:11.900 in our private spaces,

00:07:13.900 of course,

00:07:14.840 that's accepted.

00:07:15.680 Everybody understands

00:07:16.500 why we don't want that.

00:07:17.560 And you expand on that

00:07:19.020 a lot in the book

00:07:19.680 about how all of these

00:07:21.340 single-sex spaces

00:07:23.620 came to be

00:07:24.520 in the first place

00:07:25.320 for very good reason.

00:07:26.880 And if you can just

00:07:27.600 remember in your head

00:07:29.300 that they came to be

00:07:30.900 to protect women

00:07:31.980 from men,

00:07:33.460 which trans women are,

00:07:35.620 then you understand

00:07:36.960 why most women 1.00

00:07:38.440 are very animated

00:07:39.860 over this issue.

00:07:40.880 And actually,

00:07:41.660 most Americans

00:07:42.380 and most Brits

00:07:43.680 who are now starting

00:07:44.800 to pay attention

00:07:45.440 are on the side

00:07:46.340 of reason

00:07:46.800 and understand

00:07:47.440 that this is a dangerous,

00:07:49.200 very slippery slope

00:07:50.360 we're on.

00:07:51.060 It's not about

00:07:51.860 inclusion of them.

00:07:53.420 It's about danger

00:07:54.720 to us.

00:07:55.760 That's the way

00:07:56.300 to frame this

00:07:57.140 because that's

00:07:57.760 what's really

00:07:58.140 at issue here.

00:08:00.080 Exactly.

00:08:00.460 And the word inclusion

00:08:01.320 has become such a buzzword

00:08:02.760 that we forget

00:08:03.440 that a lot of things

00:08:04.200 depend on exclusion

00:08:05.360 in particular definitions do.

00:08:07.740 A definition

00:08:08.300 of what a woman is 0.99

00:08:09.220 necessarily excludes

00:08:10.720 all men

00:08:11.240 and vice versa.

00:08:12.860 And yet when you say,

00:08:13.760 oh, well,

00:08:14.060 I want to be inclusive.

00:08:15.520 Well,

00:08:15.820 who do you want

00:08:16.320 to be inclusive of?

00:08:17.260 If this space

00:08:17.800 is only for children,

00:08:18.680 it can't be inclusive

00:08:19.460 of adults.

00:08:20.100 If it's only for women, 1.00

00:08:21.380 it can't be inclusive

00:08:22.200 for men.

00:08:22.680 That's just definitional.

00:08:24.420 And yet because everyone

00:08:25.360 has got very bound up

00:08:27.100 in the idea

00:08:27.560 that inclusion is good

00:08:28.720 and exclusion is bad,

00:08:31.020 the language plays

00:08:32.640 into their narrative

00:08:33.800 that you're the meanie,

00:08:35.520 you're excluding people

00:08:36.520 and you're like,

00:08:36.920 well, of course

00:08:37.240 I'm excluding them.

00:08:38.020 This is meant to be

00:08:38.440 a women-only space. 1.00

00:08:39.400 Why would I include men? 0.89

00:08:40.440 It can't be women-only.

00:08:42.680 I remember shortly

00:08:43.800 after my book came out

00:08:45.000 going to an event

00:08:46.040 and saying that

00:08:47.660 I never imagined,

00:08:48.580 you know,

00:08:49.360 I mean,

00:08:49.580 I spent far too long

00:08:50.520 in education, Megan.

00:08:51.500 I did a maths degree

00:08:52.620 and then I went on

00:08:53.320 and did a PhD in mathematics

00:08:54.540 and I stayed

00:08:55.160 and did a postdoc

00:08:55.980 and I never thought

00:08:57.260 that I was going to spend

00:08:58.320 the most important part

00:08:59.680 of my working life

00:09:00.660 saying,

00:09:01.540 once you allow

00:09:03.340 a man

00:09:04.000 into a space

00:09:05.060 for women,

00:09:06.200 it ceases

00:09:06.860 to be single sex 0.53

00:09:08.840 because this isn't

00:09:09.880 even logical.

00:09:10.540 It's just a truism.

00:09:12.460 And yet I find myself

00:09:13.640 saying,

00:09:14.380 you know,

00:09:14.900 we can't allow people 1.00

00:09:15.940 who aren't in a group

00:09:16.880 into a space

00:09:18.160 that's meant just

00:09:18.780 for that group

00:09:19.440 and keep it only

00:09:20.780 for that group.

00:09:22.080 Like sometimes I think

00:09:23.000 the noise is not

00:09:23.680 coming out of my mouth.

00:09:24.600 Am I moving my lips

00:09:25.440 and nothing's happening?

00:09:26.740 You know,

00:09:27.160 it's so very obvious.

00:09:30.060 But this was,

00:09:31.060 I mean,

00:09:31.320 I actually,

00:09:32.060 of course,

00:09:32.600 because until this

00:09:33.340 whole thing exploded,

00:09:34.020 I never gave any thought

00:09:35.120 to why we have

00:09:36.360 women's bathrooms 1.00

00:09:37.460 and women's locker rooms 1.00

00:09:39.280 or changing rooms

00:09:40.040 at the public pools.

00:09:41.080 And you get into

00:09:43.220 the stats

00:09:43.960 on on why

00:09:45.660 excluding all males,

00:09:48.040 you write from places

00:09:48.880 where women 0.97

00:09:49.400 are at heightened

00:09:50.560 risk of assault

00:09:51.840 is a broad rush measure.

00:09:54.160 And you write

00:09:55.460 justifying it

00:09:56.540 does not require

00:09:57.100 that all males

00:09:58.140 are violent,

00:09:58.880 but the stats show

00:10:00.560 that of the people

00:10:01.880 on this earth

00:10:02.780 who are violent

00:10:04.140 and who commit

00:10:05.380 sexual assault,

00:10:07.060 the scales

00:10:07.600 are overwhelmingly

00:10:08.880 weighted with men,

00:10:10.600 not women. 0.99

00:10:11.560 It's virtually all men. 0.99

00:10:13.420 You write,

00:10:13.820 sex offenders

00:10:14.380 make up 19%

00:10:16.000 of the 84,000

00:10:17.240 male prisoners,

00:10:18.620 just 4%

00:10:20.000 of the female ones. 0.98

00:10:22.060 Women 1.00

00:10:22.320 are around

00:10:23.180 five times

00:10:24.060 more likely

00:10:24.520 than men

00:10:24.920 to be the victim

00:10:25.720 of a sexual crime

00:10:26.820 and men

00:10:27.660 are 100 times

00:10:29.360 more likely

00:10:30.020 to be the perpetrator

00:10:31.580 of a sexual crime.

00:10:32.920 This is why

00:10:34.540 we needed

00:10:35.380 a safe space,

00:10:37.060 let's face it,

00:10:37.620 if we're going to be

00:10:38.320 pulling up our dresses

00:10:39.080 and pulling down

00:10:39.700 our pants

00:10:40.160 and taking off

00:10:41.200 our clothes

00:10:41.740 where we did not

00:10:42.940 want anyone

00:10:44.120 in that category

00:10:44.940 to be near us.

00:10:47.260 And those statistics

00:10:47.980 come from

00:10:49.000 a time

00:10:50.060 when we had

00:10:50.680 single sex spaces

00:10:51.640 and when people

00:10:52.400 didn't overstep

00:10:53.160 the boundaries.

00:10:54.200 So the two most

00:10:54.980 common sex crimes

00:10:56.020 are exhibitionism,

00:10:57.200 which is showing

00:10:57.900 your private parts 0.87

00:10:58.740 to someone

00:10:59.380 who doesn't want

00:10:59.780 to see them,

00:11:00.260 and voyeurism,

00:11:01.400 which is looking

00:11:01.800 at other people's

00:11:02.560 naked bodies 0.51

00:11:03.120 without consent.

00:11:04.880 And so those

00:11:05.400 statistics come

00:11:06.200 from a time

00:11:06.780 that those were

00:11:07.300 difficult crimes

00:11:08.060 to commit.

00:11:09.240 But now

00:11:10.020 if a man can say

00:11:11.000 he's a woman

00:11:11.520 and enter

00:11:12.140 a women-only space 0.99

00:11:13.200 he can commit

00:11:13.840 voyeurism

00:11:14.380 and exhibitionism

00:11:15.180 with impunity

00:11:16.000 and he'll either

00:11:17.480 not be registered

00:11:18.260 as committing

00:11:18.720 a crime at all

00:11:19.520 because of course

00:11:20.080 if you go into

00:11:20.620 a women's locker room

00:11:21.540 it's allowable

00:11:22.560 to get undressed

00:11:23.220 and you will see

00:11:23.780 other people undressed.

00:11:25.660 So it won't be

00:11:26.320 recorded as a crime

00:11:27.220 or if it is

00:11:28.120 it'll be recorded

00:11:28.740 as a crime by women. 1.00

00:11:30.260 So the statistics

00:11:31.580 are going to be

00:11:32.140 messed up

00:11:32.540 on top of

00:11:32.940 everything else

00:11:33.600 and crime

00:11:34.560 is often

00:11:35.040 many crimes

00:11:36.100 are what's called

00:11:36.600 crimes of opportunity

00:11:37.540 so it's not like

00:11:38.640 there's a set amount

00:11:39.440 of burglary out there

00:11:40.700 or a set amount

00:11:41.680 of voyeurism

00:11:42.660 or exhibitionism.

00:11:43.840 The amount of it

00:11:44.480 depends on how easy

00:11:46.360 it is to commit

00:11:46.960 those crimes

00:11:47.440 and how rewarding

00:11:48.200 and how likely

00:11:48.860 you are to be punished

00:11:49.720 and what we're doing

00:11:51.060 is we're making it

00:11:51.700 much, much, much easier

00:11:53.260 for men to commit 0.68

00:11:53.980 sex crimes

00:11:54.600 against women 1.00

00:11:55.220 and much, much, much

00:11:56.800 harder for women 0.83

00:11:57.400 even to report them

00:11:58.680 let alone

00:11:59.280 to get justice

00:11:59.960 so we can expect

00:12:00.880 a big uptick

00:12:02.220 in sex crimes

00:12:03.460 by men

00:12:04.100 against women. 0.76

00:12:05.060 That's just the way

00:12:05.620 it's going to play out.

00:12:07.160 And now it's policy

00:12:08.560 it's law

00:12:09.920 in state

00:12:11.180 after state

00:12:12.300 we've seen this

00:12:13.220 as it's cropped up

00:12:13.960 at the YWCA

00:12:15.360 across America

00:12:16.540 places like California

00:12:17.800 places like Connecticut

00:12:19.200 and gyms

00:12:20.160 and so on

00:12:20.720 we've done stories

00:12:21.580 on that

00:12:22.040 where women 0.97

00:12:22.660 go to complain

00:12:23.460 and the place

00:12:25.640 the gym

00:12:26.060 whatever it is

00:12:27.180 YWCA

00:12:27.720 says

00:12:28.040 yes

00:12:29.200 that's our policy

00:12:29.920 because that's

00:12:30.620 the state law

00:12:31.380 we have to allow

00:12:32.700 a man

00:12:33.720 with a penis 0.99

00:12:34.580 who says he's female

00:12:35.840 to go into the locker room

00:12:37.080 there's nothing

00:12:37.780 we can do about it.

00:12:40.300 Yeah

00:12:40.340 and often

00:12:40.780 they don't want

00:12:41.800 to do anything about it

00:12:42.460 often they also believe

00:12:43.640 in this bizarre thing

00:12:44.760 you know

00:12:45.140 a womanly penis 1.00

00:12:46.140 like there are no

00:12:47.500 female penises 1.00

00:12:48.240 by definition

00:12:49.280 the penis 0.94

00:12:49.900 is a male sex organ 0.92

00:12:51.400 only male mammals

00:12:53.000 have penises 0.87

00:12:53.740 no female mammal

00:12:54.980 has ever had a penis 0.98

00:12:56.120 like this is

00:12:56.600 I can't believe

00:12:57.500 I'm saying this Megan

00:12:58.440 I didn't spend my time

00:12:59.760 talking about penises

00:13:00.660 before

00:13:01.040 I was polite

00:13:01.820 I was nice

00:13:02.660 and now I spend my days

00:13:04.300 saying penis 0.97

00:13:05.040 because I've been forced to

00:13:06.240 and then they say to me

00:13:07.300 that I'm obsessed

00:13:08.160 well I mean

00:13:09.140 if you stop getting your penis 0.99

00:13:10.200 out in the women's locker room

00:13:11.320 I'll stop mentioning

00:13:12.100 the fact that there are penises

00:13:13.220 in the women's locker room 0.81

00:13:14.200 that's the way around

00:13:15.340 but so yes

00:13:16.200 women report these things 1.00

00:13:17.500 and they're told

00:13:18.300 it's the state law

00:13:19.340 but also they're told

00:13:20.720 that they're bigots

00:13:21.900 I've seen journalists

00:13:23.800 who claim to be

00:13:24.940 women 1.00

00:13:25.280 who claim to be feminists

00:13:26.820 who claim to be progressive

00:13:28.360 I've seen them saying

00:13:29.980 why are you looking

00:13:31.280 as somebody saying

00:13:32.600 are you really okay

00:13:33.400 with a man getting his penis out 1.00

00:13:34.820 in the women's locker room 0.81

00:13:35.980 in front of a girl

00:13:37.100 a little girl

00:13:37.920 and Laurie Penny

00:13:39.400 who's a journalist

00:13:40.000 here in the UK

00:13:40.740 who calls herself a feminist

00:13:41.920 she said

00:13:43.120 why is your child looking

00:13:44.300 it'd be a good opportunity

00:13:45.220 to teach them not to look

00:13:46.440 but that is what men

00:13:47.420 have always said about voyeurism

00:13:48.760 and exhibitionism

00:13:49.600 like if a man gets his penis out 0.93

00:13:51.700 in a public place

00:13:52.680 and then the girl complains 1.00

00:13:54.360 he's like

00:13:54.620 well why were you looking

00:13:55.300 you know

00:13:55.760 so yeah

00:13:56.640 we're back to blaming women 1.00

00:13:58.180 we're back to blaming women 1.00

00:13:59.460 for men's sex crimes

00:14:00.820 and the women who complain

00:14:02.340 about these things

00:14:03.000 are often told

00:14:03.740 that they're going to be

00:14:04.520 kicked out of their gym

00:14:05.340 because they're bigots

00:14:06.240 they're transphobic bigots

00:14:07.900 yep

00:14:08.800 that's exactly what

00:14:09.780 and even the

00:14:10.540 the sorority members

00:14:12.160 that I talked about

00:14:12.820 the Kappa Kappa Gamma girls

00:14:13.940 were scolded

00:14:15.060 by their

00:14:15.620 their chapter leaders

00:14:16.660 and their national sorority

00:14:17.740 as transphobes

00:14:18.920 any objection to allowing

00:14:20.240 a man

00:14:20.880 into the sorority

00:14:21.740 means you're a bigot

00:14:23.140 you're a transphobe

00:14:23.800 I'm so glad

00:14:24.420 that they're being defended

00:14:25.240 I know you point out

00:14:26.000 thank God for groups like ADF

00:14:27.400 that's how I feel

00:14:28.040 Alliance Defending Freedom

00:14:28.960 which took their case

00:14:30.540 they took the case

00:14:32.700 of the Connecticut Runners

00:14:33.560 they've taken many

00:14:34.180 of these cases

00:14:34.680 trying to fight back

00:14:35.500 against mandated pronouns

00:14:37.280 and all that stuff

00:14:38.180 but you know

00:14:39.160 it's a very small sliver

00:14:40.640 of groups

00:14:41.120 that will take these cases

00:14:42.300 at all

00:14:43.080 I want to stay on

00:14:44.660 the women's spaces

00:14:45.500 because

00:14:45.840 and we'll get to

00:14:46.800 female athletes 0.99

00:14:47.440 and all that

00:14:47.760 to me that's so easy

00:14:48.860 that's an easy one

00:14:49.740 but female spaces 0.99

00:14:50.700 is sort of the next ring

00:14:52.420 of the circles going out

00:14:53.620 and fewer people

00:14:54.640 are willing to stand up

00:14:55.620 for our rights there

00:14:56.720 they start to feel

00:14:57.520 more transphobic

00:14:58.400 and they're wrong to

00:14:59.280 they need to

00:15:00.180 embrace this fight

00:15:01.360 otherwise our daughters

00:15:02.960 are going to pay the price

00:15:03.780 so there's

00:15:04.700 there's the men 0.81

00:15:05.920 who are potential

00:15:06.620 you know

00:15:07.920 criminals

00:15:08.880 who are taking advantage

00:15:10.080 of these open doors

00:15:11.200 into our spaces

00:15:12.180 who are not trans at all 0.95

00:15:14.360 but just want to get in there

00:15:15.340 to exhibit voyeurism

00:15:17.120 or commit an assault

00:15:18.340 what have you

00:15:19.080 that's been a danger

00:15:19.960 for a long long time

00:15:20.680 we just made it a whole lot

00:15:21.480 easier for all of them

00:15:22.340 then you point out

00:15:23.540 in the book

00:15:23.860 there is

00:15:24.320 it's not to say

00:15:24.960 that all trans people

00:15:26.120 at all of course

00:15:27.100 are pedophiles

00:15:28.000 but

00:15:28.920 this whole situation

00:15:30.460 has created

00:15:31.060 an open door

00:15:32.000 for pedophiles too

00:15:33.220 in a way

00:15:34.020 I know you've said

00:15:34.580 is very dangerous

00:15:35.300 so my analogy

00:15:37.740 in the book

00:15:38.360 is with something

00:15:39.100 that happened

00:15:39.540 in the gay rights movement

00:15:40.740 in the 1960s

00:15:42.000 70s 80s

00:15:43.060 and you know

00:15:44.480 I have to be very careful

00:15:45.580 talking about this

00:15:46.300 because I don't want

00:15:46.960 to be misrepresented

00:15:47.720 I'm very used to being

00:15:49.000 misquoted

00:15:49.780 and misrepresented

00:15:50.820 by people who know

00:15:52.020 very well

00:15:52.500 what I'm trying to say

00:15:53.340 but want to

00:15:54.080 tar me

00:15:55.040 with lies

00:15:56.040 so

00:15:57.180 gay men are no more likely 0.96

00:15:59.160 than other people

00:15:59.720 to be pedophiles

00:16:00.560 but their movement

00:16:01.620 was careless

00:16:02.300 about giving shelter

00:16:04.160 to pedophiles

00:16:04.940 which is a completely

00:16:05.640 different thing

00:16:06.260 and that was

00:16:07.400 for several reasons

00:16:08.300 and one of them

00:16:08.940 was because a lot

00:16:09.740 of people inside

00:16:10.460 the gay liberation

00:16:11.200 movement

00:16:11.920 thought like

00:16:13.100 my enemy's enemy

00:16:13.980 is my friend

00:16:15.020 and on the other side

00:16:16.740 opposing them

00:16:17.640 were the Catholic Church

00:16:19.160 the National Front

00:16:20.220 you know

00:16:20.880 Conservative Mothers

00:16:21.760 that sort of thing

00:16:22.440 like so

00:16:22.760 a mixed group

00:16:23.580 people I agree with

00:16:24.380 and people I disagree with

00:16:25.460 but so they thought

00:16:26.900 like everything

00:16:27.520 those people

00:16:28.400 disagree with

00:16:29.520 is pro me

00:16:30.900 and so they didn't

00:16:32.620 push the pedophiles

00:16:33.480 out of their movement

00:16:34.320 and I mean

00:16:35.460 this is an almost

00:16:36.040 forgotten history

00:16:36.780 but it is a matter

00:16:37.540 of record

00:16:38.120 that all the

00:16:39.620 civil rights movements

00:16:40.740 of the 1970s

00:16:41.900 and 1980s

00:16:42.580 that cared about

00:16:43.180 freedom of speech

00:16:44.000 and that cared

00:16:44.500 about gay rights

00:16:45.260 were just

00:16:45.780 unbelievably willing

00:16:47.240 to give headspace

00:16:48.660 and room

00:16:49.280 to pedophile movements

00:16:50.740 and I don't mean

00:16:51.460 like pedophile fronts

00:16:52.780 I mean avowedly

00:16:53.900 pedophile movements

00:16:55.060 people who are arguing

00:16:56.420 for the age of consent

00:16:57.520 to be dropped to four

00:16:58.660 or to have none at all

00:16:59.880 people who said

00:17:00.780 that it was educational

00:17:01.660 for children

00:17:02.540 to have sex with adults 0.95

00:17:03.800 these people managed

00:17:05.020 to get onto platforms

00:17:06.220 with the Labour Party

00:17:07.420 Nambla

00:17:08.620 which was the North America

00:17:09.840 Man-Boy Love Association

00:17:11.300 which is still going

00:17:12.380 had a magazine

00:17:13.000 that was published

00:17:13.860 and you know

00:17:15.180 you look back

00:17:15.640 and you think

00:17:15.940 this is completely crazy

00:17:17.140 absolutely crazy

00:17:18.120 and yet

00:17:19.200 we are seeing

00:17:20.700 something very similar

00:17:21.700 again now

00:17:22.540 which is that

00:17:23.040 we're seeing

00:17:23.680 people thinking

00:17:25.200 I mean

00:17:25.500 the analogy

00:17:26.120 is a little bit different

00:17:26.920 the analogy

00:17:27.440 is that now

00:17:28.260 the trans rights movement

00:17:29.820 thinks again

00:17:30.740 my enemy's enemy

00:17:32.020 is my friend

00:17:32.720 so anyone

00:17:33.740 who's against

00:17:34.300 drag queen story hour

00:17:35.600 anyone who says

00:17:36.820 that there's a child

00:17:37.520 safeguarding risk here

00:17:38.800 we're called

00:17:39.880 Nazis

00:17:40.480 fascists

00:17:41.400 bigots

00:17:42.140 you know

00:17:42.740 homophobes

00:17:44.120 transphobes

00:17:45.240 every phobe

00:17:45.840 that you can imagine

00:17:46.560 and they just

00:17:47.520 write us all off

00:17:48.280 so I think

00:17:48.720 they're going to

00:17:49.060 make the same mistake

00:17:50.340 they're not thinking

00:17:51.780 about how their movement

00:17:52.860 can be co-opted

00:17:53.760 and is being co-opted

00:17:55.220 because they want

00:17:56.720 to you know

00:17:57.440 stick it to the

00:17:58.540 the bigots

00:17:59.320 the fascists

00:17:59.980 the far right people

00:18:00.920 who just care about

00:18:01.640 child safeguarding

00:18:02.500 you know

00:18:02.780 it's very dangerous

00:18:04.020 for them

00:18:04.520 well this is the problem

00:18:05.820 if you know

00:18:06.380 we're seeing the news

00:18:07.520 of these men

00:18:09.200 in women's spaces 0.86

00:18:10.160 like locker rooms

00:18:11.060 and we're seeing the news

00:18:12.580 of let's say

00:18:13.560 let's take that YWCA

00:18:14.800 out in California

00:18:15.500 where the 17 year old

00:18:17.160 older sister

00:18:18.220 spoke out publicly

00:18:20.160 and said

00:18:20.840 I've got a young

00:18:22.200 little sister

00:18:23.040 in the single digits

00:18:24.100 I don't want her

00:18:25.120 exposed to this

00:18:25.980 so I heard it

00:18:27.140 you probably heard it

00:18:28.140 and so did the pedophiles

00:18:29.500 and she was right

00:18:31.640 to speak out

00:18:32.080 don't get me wrong

00:18:32.580 I'm not suggesting otherwise

00:18:33.460 but the problem is

00:18:35.300 they they know too

00:18:36.500 that all they need to do

00:18:38.080 is put on a damn dress 1.00

00:18:39.620 and they will have access

00:18:41.000 to these spaces

00:18:41.800 where it's not just

00:18:42.700 52 year old birds

00:18:44.220 like me in there

00:18:44.920 it's young girls 0.98

00:18:46.580 right

00:18:47.240 it's like

00:18:47.640 and that's a real danger

00:18:49.420 and you know

00:18:50.160 we're

00:18:51.160 it's open season

00:18:52.320 yeah

00:18:53.960 and men

00:18:54.480 men who abuse children

00:18:55.680 not all of whom

00:18:56.380 are pedophiles

00:18:56.940 because some of them

00:18:57.680 abuse children 0.50

00:18:58.400 who are teenagers

00:18:59.120 you know

00:18:59.580 they're past the

00:19:00.320 they're past puberty

00:19:01.280 so they're physically

00:19:02.020 grown up

00:19:02.940 but they're still

00:19:03.420 under the age of consent

00:19:04.460 and so any man

00:19:05.960 who abuses

00:19:06.560 women and girls

00:19:07.620 one of the first things

00:19:08.560 he looks for

00:19:08.980 is vulnerability

00:19:09.420 so that's why

00:19:10.900 they go for children

00:19:11.860 who are in care

00:19:12.720 or children

00:19:13.700 whose families

00:19:14.200 are in chaos

00:19:14.960 or children

00:19:15.440 who are you know

00:19:16.060 depressed

00:19:16.480 or lonely

00:19:17.060 or whatever

00:19:17.480 but they will also

00:19:18.780 they will also

00:19:20.080 take on any mantle

00:19:21.320 that makes them seem

00:19:22.300 trustworthy

00:19:22.740 so that's why

00:19:23.940 so many pedophiles

00:19:24.860 made it into things

00:19:25.800 like the scouts movement

00:19:26.880 it was not only

00:19:27.640 because it gave them

00:19:28.460 access to kids

00:19:29.540 it was because

00:19:30.340 it made them look

00:19:30.920 like good guys

00:19:31.660 until we all learned

00:19:32.600 how pedophiles do that

00:19:33.620 how they operate

00:19:34.400 and now we have

00:19:35.960 a new sacred cast

00:19:37.300 which is trans women 0.95

00:19:38.780 and again

00:19:40.300 like you

00:19:40.860 I am not saying

00:19:41.600 that every man

00:19:42.180 who identifies as a woman

00:19:43.180 or even many men

00:19:44.420 who identify as women

00:19:45.540 are predators

00:19:46.160 what I'm saying

00:19:47.260 is that if you identify

00:19:48.260 if you're a man

00:19:49.260 and you identify

00:19:50.000 as a trans woman

00:19:50.780 you now have

00:19:51.860 a new sacred position

00:19:53.780 that it's very hard

00:19:54.560 to criticise you

00:19:55.420 you know

00:19:56.140 as soon as someone

00:19:56.700 criticises you

00:19:57.440 the entire left

00:19:58.400 will reflexively say

00:19:59.560 that they're bigots

00:20:00.400 and that they're doing it

00:20:01.480 because they're transphobes

00:20:03.320 they're hateful

00:20:04.020 they're back

00:20:04.560 they're aggressive

00:20:05.160 they're Nazi adjacent

00:20:06.480 whatever you know

00:20:07.400 punch a turf

00:20:08.140 all of those things

00:20:09.020 so these men know

00:20:10.180 where the sacred cast is now

00:20:11.720 and it's as a trans woman

00:20:13.100 like and they can just

00:20:14.200 walk into any space

00:20:15.120 and say

00:20:15.500 oh I'm really a woman

00:20:16.360 and then people can't

00:20:17.260 say anything

00:20:18.000 it's terrifying

00:20:20.320 I mean it's just

00:20:21.280 so alarming

00:20:21.940 as the mother

00:20:22.820 of three young children

00:20:23.820 including a girl

00:20:24.820 that she's going to

00:20:25.920 have to deal with this

00:20:26.680 at some point

00:20:27.240 because while you and I

00:20:28.020 are like-minded

00:20:28.720 the colleges are not

00:20:30.360 the medical associations

00:20:31.680 are not

00:20:32.420 most of the K-12 schools

00:20:34.000 are not

00:20:34.500 they're

00:20:34.900 you know

00:20:35.240 we send our daughter

00:20:35.920 to an all-girls school

00:20:36.860 they're already having

00:20:38.340 debates about

00:20:39.040 whether they should

00:20:40.000 let in

00:20:40.560 boys

00:20:41.800 who say that they're girls 0.99

00:20:43.400 or whether they should

00:20:45.060 kick out girls 1.00

00:20:45.980 who suddenly say

00:20:46.820 they identify as boys

00:20:48.460 I mean

00:20:48.720 why are we having

00:20:49.380 these debates

00:20:49.880 right

00:20:50.160 if you're a boy

00:20:51.900 you cannot come in

00:20:53.240 that's it

00:20:53.820 a penis is a hard no 0.99

00:20:55.260 yeah

00:20:56.360 yeah

00:20:56.820 and I mean honestly

00:20:57.600 adult men who cut off

00:20:58.700 their penises 1.00

00:20:59.160 don't become women 1.00

00:20:59.940 so you know

00:21:00.720 like if you

00:21:01.440 if you have

00:21:01.980 or have ever had

00:21:03.080 a penis 0.97

00:21:03.640 you are not a woman 1.00

00:21:04.900 so I just have to say that

00:21:07.180 and you know

00:21:07.780 it's actually worse

00:21:08.680 a single sex space 0.95

00:21:09.800 that makes an exception

00:21:10.840 and allows in some

00:21:11.900 male people

00:21:12.880 is worse than a mixed sex space 1.00

00:21:15.720 because it's been set up

00:21:17.000 as if it's single sex

00:21:18.200 you know

00:21:18.840 if we had a mixed sex sauna

00:21:20.580 or change room

00:21:21.800 or whatever it is we have

00:21:22.860 we think about

00:21:23.760 how we can give everybody

00:21:24.700 privacy in a mixed sex space

00:21:26.540 but a single sex space 0.64

00:21:27.980 you have much laxer rules

00:21:29.200 women behave differently 1.00

00:21:30.200 in single sex spaces

00:21:31.240 so you go in

00:21:32.520 and you strip off

00:21:33.360 and you talk

00:21:34.100 whatever way you do

00:21:34.920 and you're not looking around

00:21:36.120 you're not thinking

00:21:36.720 this is a space

00:21:37.260 where there could be predators

00:21:38.240 and the predator loves that

00:21:40.460 predators absolutely adore it

00:21:42.280 when people let down their guard

00:21:43.660 I mean it's absolutely incredible

00:21:46.120 that we're doing this

00:21:46.720 because any single sex school

00:21:48.060 all its facilities

00:21:49.080 will have been set up

00:21:50.060 on the assumption

00:21:50.760 that there are only children

00:21:51.780 of one sex

00:21:52.500 they'll only have girls toilets 1.00

00:21:54.040 they'll only have girls locker rooms 1.00

00:21:55.980 they will only do sex ed

00:21:57.920 that's suitable for all girls

00:21:59.280 to be in together

00:21:59.960 they will not be thinking

00:22:00.840 about the fact

00:22:01.400 that there's boys

00:22:02.120 sniggering in the back of the class

00:22:03.500 when we're talking about

00:22:04.620 girls periods or whatever

00:22:05.640 and yet now suddenly

00:22:07.060 they're going to have boys

00:22:07.920 and nobody's allowed to say it

00:22:09.380 it's the silencing

00:22:10.300 is such a big part

00:22:11.380 of why this is all so dangerous

00:22:12.780 you're not allowed

00:22:14.140 to just say

00:22:15.040 what's in front of your eyes

00:22:16.320 so I talked to people

00:22:17.680 who were experts

00:22:18.240 on child safeguarding

00:22:19.300 and in particular

00:22:19.900 a journalist

00:22:21.040 who had been very involved

00:22:22.740 in breaking the scandal

00:22:23.940 of the paedophile rings

00:22:25.000 that operated

00:22:25.540 in London children's homes

00:22:26.820 in the 1990s

00:22:27.960 and she found it

00:22:28.840 very difficult

00:22:29.500 to get newspapers

00:22:31.060 to take the story

00:22:32.200 and she said that

00:22:33.780 you weren't allowed

00:22:36.480 to say it

00:22:37.080 you weren't allowed

00:22:37.740 to say what was

00:22:38.420 in front of your eyes

00:22:39.200 and she called it grooming

00:22:40.320 she said it is grooming

00:22:41.520 we're teaching children

00:22:43.020 that they can't express

00:22:45.040 natural concerns

00:22:46.160 so a girl who needs 1.00

00:22:47.640 to be able to say

00:22:48.700 that's a boy

00:22:50.040 I'm not comfortable

00:22:51.360 these are my boundaries

00:22:52.760 I say no

00:22:54.000 I do not give consent

00:22:55.680 that girl knows 1.00

00:22:57.100 that if she says 0.84

00:22:57.660 any of that

00:22:58.160 she's the one

00:22:58.700 who gets kicked out

00:22:59.500 she's the one

00:23:00.060 who gets ostracised

00:23:00.880 as a bigot

00:23:01.400 and the boy

00:23:02.360 who says he's a girl

00:23:03.240 is this special

00:23:04.140 sacred

00:23:04.780 wonderful

00:23:05.380 the most oppressed

00:23:06.580 girls of all

00:23:07.320 the trans girls

00:23:08.140 are the best girls

00:23:09.260 so we're actually

00:23:11.200 grooming the whole

00:23:12.280 children

00:23:13.080 not just in America

00:23:14.000 not just in the UK

00:23:14.880 right across the

00:23:15.860 Anglosphere and beyond

00:23:16.820 we're grooming children

00:23:18.300 all children

00:23:18.980 but particularly girls

00:23:20.020 to ignore their own

00:23:21.580 needs and boundaries

00:23:22.440 and to stay silent

00:23:23.920 when something makes

00:23:24.740 them uncomfortable

00:23:25.380 so this makes them

00:23:26.620 more

00:23:27.180 it makes a greater

00:23:28.960 danger

00:23:29.420 and they're more

00:23:30.360 likely to be predated

00:23:31.480 on totally apart

00:23:32.620 from the trans issue

00:23:33.520 because they've learned

00:23:34.520 that they can't say

00:23:35.420 that they feel

00:23:35.940 uncomfortable

00:23:36.440 it's so dangerous

00:23:38.620 exactly the opposite

00:23:39.540 of the instincts

00:23:40.160 that we are born with

00:23:41.560 and that we used to

00:23:43.020 and some of us still

00:23:43.920 cultivate in our children

00:23:45.320 you know

00:23:45.680 listen to that sixth sense

00:23:47.100 that's your friend

00:23:47.800 don't reject that

00:23:48.920 in order to be

00:23:50.020 considered nice

00:23:51.400 or polite

00:23:52.280 that's your sense of fear

00:23:54.200 like listen to it

00:23:55.460 abide by it

00:23:56.640 and all of these

00:23:57.680 trusted authorities

00:23:58.400 are trying to snuff it

00:23:59.580 right out of our children

00:24:00.500 you know

00:24:01.400 I want to talk about

00:24:02.360 the censorship

00:24:02.800 and I'll get back

00:24:03.520 to the dangers

00:24:04.040 to the women

00:24:04.540 in the single spaces

00:24:05.300 because I want to talk

00:24:05.900 about auto-gynophiles

00:24:06.900 which you've done

00:24:07.700 such great reporting on

00:24:08.740 but on the subject

00:24:10.560 of censorship

00:24:11.100 you raise such good points

00:24:12.980 about this

00:24:13.500 about how important

00:24:15.220 the censorship

00:24:16.480 going on

00:24:17.360 from our authorities

00:24:19.000 but in particular

00:24:19.980 in the journalism field

00:24:20.940 your field and mine

00:24:22.340 has been

00:24:23.820 to perpetuating

00:24:25.280 these myths

00:24:26.780 and the growth

00:24:27.720 the explosion

00:24:28.680 of this trans ideology

00:24:30.860 amongst our children

00:24:31.900 the social media

00:24:33.100 and the censorship regime

00:24:34.840 and I want to talk

00:24:36.400 about that

00:24:36.660 but I also want to

00:24:37.120 talk about the fact

00:24:37.580 that this is one

00:24:38.560 of the reasons

00:24:38.880 why I think Elon Musk

00:24:39.900 has been so so so important

00:24:41.280 to expanding the national debate

00:24:43.220 I know he takes a beating

00:24:44.300 by some on the left

00:24:45.980 because he sends out

00:24:46.720 strange tweets sometimes

00:24:48.400 and so who cares

00:24:49.140 this guy is the greatest

00:24:50.780 free speech warrior

00:24:51.600 that we have

00:24:52.380 in the modern day world

00:24:53.880 because of him

00:24:55.080 we can have these discussions

00:24:56.140 on at least one

00:24:57.680 of our social media platforms

00:24:59.020 and we couldn't

00:25:00.660 and I really think

00:25:01.540 that his takeover

00:25:02.360 at Twitter

00:25:02.740 has helped change

00:25:04.260 the polling on this

00:25:06.180 the American sentiment

00:25:07.300 on this

00:25:08.020 people's awareness

00:25:09.520 of the problems

00:25:10.240 and the true facts

00:25:11.140 but can you speak

00:25:12.060 to the social media

00:25:12.940 and the role it plays

00:25:14.600 in all of this

00:25:15.140 completely

00:25:16.340 I mean the first thing

00:25:17.380 to say is that social media

00:25:18.440 has spread this social contagion

00:25:20.100 so what we are seeing

00:25:21.540 is a social contagion

00:25:22.700 and there have been

00:25:23.620 many social contagions

00:25:24.760 throughout history

00:25:25.560 but they weren't able

00:25:26.740 to be spread

00:25:27.520 in real time

00:25:29.080 between children

00:25:30.220 without adults present

00:25:32.220 so they were spread

00:25:33.380 by newspapers

00:25:34.100 by broadcast media

00:25:36.420 and then before that

00:25:37.460 by the medical profession itself

00:25:38.800 but this was all very slow

00:25:39.920 now they're spread

00:25:41.500 well it was Tumblr

00:25:42.340 until relatively recently

00:25:43.600 and now it's TikTok

00:25:44.480 and adults are mostly

00:25:46.380 not on those platforms

00:25:47.480 so children are telling

00:25:48.600 each other

00:25:48.900 the most horrifying falsehoods

00:25:51.480 you know telling children

00:25:52.420 that you must

00:25:53.040 like children talking

00:25:54.380 to other children

00:25:55.080 saying you must explore

00:25:56.580 your gender

00:25:57.100 you know if you think

00:25:58.220 you're trans

00:25:58.660 you probably are

00:25:59.660 and puberty blockers

00:26:00.640 are harmless

00:26:01.140 any lie that you can think of

00:26:02.660 to do with this

00:26:03.440 children are saying

00:26:04.640 without adults

00:26:05.520 stepping in and saying

00:26:06.720 that's not true

00:26:07.660 that's incorrect

00:26:08.500 so that's the first thing

00:26:09.780 about social media

00:26:10.500 is that it's spread

00:26:11.300 this contagion

00:26:12.140 and then the second thing

00:26:13.460 is that the people

00:26:14.100 who work for the social media

00:26:15.340 platforms are by and large

00:26:17.060 men

00:26:17.740 men who are in tech

00:26:19.500 and men who are

00:26:20.600 on the west coast of America

00:26:21.740 and these are people

00:26:23.020 who do not think

00:26:23.700 about children's needs

00:26:24.740 and safeguarding

00:26:25.640 they're people who do not

00:26:26.440 think about women's needs

00:26:27.560 and women's specific

00:26:28.380 vulnerabilities

00:26:28.940 and they've mostly

00:26:30.600 been university educated

00:26:32.000 and therefore in the last

00:26:33.060 10 or 20 years

00:26:33.860 quite seriously indoctrinated

00:26:35.380 and so they have

00:26:37.220 by and large

00:26:38.260 said that their rules

00:26:39.660 which were meant to stop

00:26:40.540 for example

00:26:41.100 the n-word

00:26:41.860 or you know

00:26:43.340 anti-semitism

00:26:44.300 or pile on harassment

00:26:46.200 of people

00:26:46.860 that they include

00:26:48.440 under that

00:26:48.940 what they call

00:26:49.600 misgendering

00:26:50.500 which is referring

00:26:51.720 to somebody's sex 0.84

00:26:52.660 when that person

00:26:53.240 doesn't want their sex 1.00

00:26:54.000 referred to

00:26:54.640 so I have

00:26:55.860 for the entire time

00:26:56.660 that I have been tweeting

00:26:57.460 about all of this

00:26:58.260 I have had to be

00:26:58.780 very very careful

00:26:59.720 on Twitter

00:27:00.260 until very recently

00:27:02.020 not to say

00:27:03.180 true things

00:27:04.100 true obvious things

00:27:05.020 like Rachel Levine

00:27:05.880 as a man

00:27:06.300 because I would lose

00:27:07.400 my Twitter account

00:27:08.180 and I still am a bit

00:27:09.880 careful

00:27:10.580 but Elon Musk

00:27:11.760 thank Elon Musk

00:27:12.940 so much for this

00:27:13.980 I mean

00:27:14.380 I'm not making a comment

00:27:15.940 on how he runs his platform

00:27:17.040 I'm not qualified

00:27:17.940 to do so

00:27:18.580 but the relief

00:27:19.700 of being able to say

00:27:20.920 trans women are men 1.00

00:27:22.020 which is a factually

00:27:22.960 correct statement

00:27:23.700 without losing my account

00:27:25.580 is very significant

00:27:26.760 it's very meaningful

00:27:27.740 and it has moved

00:27:28.400 the discourse considerably

00:27:29.480 yeah

00:27:30.620 I mean

00:27:31.140 I have to say

00:27:31.960 I'd be remiss

00:27:32.760 if I didn't point out

00:27:33.560 YouTube has been supportive

00:27:35.320 of this program

00:27:36.480 in that they have not

00:27:37.680 struck a single video

00:27:39.320 of ours

00:27:39.840 talking about

00:27:41.040 this very charged issue

00:27:42.660 and I respect them

00:27:44.300 for that

00:27:44.600 I know they've gone

00:27:45.680 after others

00:27:46.080 they took down me and Jordan

00:27:46.520 yeah they took down

00:27:47.680 my interview with Jordan Peterson

00:27:48.800 and I think that was because

00:27:50.580 like we don't know

00:27:51.260 they don't tell you

00:27:51.860 why they did it

00:27:52.500 but the email just says

00:27:53.460 that you know

00:27:53.880 you broke their hate speech

00:27:54.900 policy or something

00:27:55.720 we think it was because

00:27:57.120 we referred to Elliot

00:27:58.200 slash Ellen Page

00:27:59.240 as a woman

00:27:59.760 but she is a woman

00:28:01.680 yeah

00:28:02.500 I mean we've done

00:28:03.680 we've done that

00:28:04.800 on this show

00:28:05.440 and they haven't

00:28:06.820 they haven't

00:28:07.820 struck our videos

00:28:08.940 I don't

00:28:09.400 I don't know

00:28:10.420 I haven't spoken to YouTube

00:28:11.340 about this Helen

00:28:12.160 my feeling is

00:28:13.240 I think

00:28:14.600 YouTube understands

00:28:15.700 that

00:28:16.340 I am speaking out

00:28:18.680 on behalf of women

00:28:19.740 and that women 1.00

00:28:21.160 have the right

00:28:22.080 to be heard

00:28:22.800 on this issue

00:28:23.780 and not to have

00:28:24.900 our speech

00:28:25.600 policed

00:28:26.380 or curtailed

00:28:27.500 at every corner

00:28:28.360 such that we lose

00:28:29.580 the debate

00:28:30.020 before we've actually

00:28:30.900 had it

00:28:31.360 I think they understand

00:28:33.000 that

00:28:33.320 I do think

00:28:34.060 maybe they're

00:28:35.000 more tolerant

00:28:36.080 of this program

00:28:36.900 because I'm a woman

00:28:37.640 you know

00:28:38.320 maybe Jordan

00:28:38.840 gets hit harder

00:28:39.600 because he's a man

00:28:40.420 and irrespective

00:28:41.600 of who the guest is

00:28:42.380 I don't know

00:28:43.540 maybe

00:28:43.760 and maybe

00:28:44.320 maybe I'm

00:28:44.740 tempting the bear 0.70

00:28:45.340 right now

00:28:45.820 I don't know

00:28:46.580 I mean my video

00:28:47.400 was up for a year

00:28:48.180 my video was up

00:28:49.660 for a year

00:28:49.960 before they took it down

00:28:50.820 that one with Jordan

00:28:51.600 so I don't know

00:28:53.580 I mean I think

00:28:54.400 it's probably true

00:28:55.020 that he gets mass reported

00:28:56.100 a lot more than you do

00:28:57.180 I mean he's really

00:28:58.620 a bugbear

00:28:59.240 to a bunch of people

00:29:00.300 who really hate him

00:29:01.980 I mean I actually think

00:29:02.720 he's fascinating

00:29:03.340 like I disagree with him

00:29:04.480 on loads of things

00:29:05.060 but you know

00:29:05.480 part of the free speech thing

00:29:06.800 is that disagreement

00:29:08.200 can be really useful

00:29:09.300 you know my commitment

00:29:10.660 to free speech

00:29:11.360 I was very committed

00:29:12.260 to free speech

00:29:12.820 before I became

00:29:13.840 involved in the gender wars

00:29:15.460 I'm now as near

00:29:16.540 as you can be

00:29:17.060 to a free speech absolutist

00:29:18.440 without thinking

00:29:19.040 that you should be allowed

00:29:19.840 to shout you know

00:29:20.900 fire in a crowded theatre

00:29:21.920 or whatever the examples are

00:29:23.300 and the reason is

00:29:24.560 because I've seen us

00:29:25.560 go so horrendously

00:29:26.600 off the rails on this

00:29:27.540 that I'm willing to have

00:29:28.760 people say things

00:29:30.020 that are wrong

00:29:30.660 as long as I can say

00:29:32.100 to them

00:29:32.400 this is why you're wrong

00:29:33.480 you know

00:29:34.440 I test my ideas

00:29:35.380 by talking to people

00:29:36.240 who come from

00:29:36.720 different points of view

00:29:37.600 than mine

00:29:38.240 and that includes Jordan

00:29:39.380 he and I really do not

00:29:40.500 share the same

00:29:41.440 intellectual framework

00:29:42.480 at all

00:29:43.040 but I learnt more

00:29:44.340 from talking to him

00:29:45.140 than talking to people

00:29:45.920 who are closer to me

00:29:46.880 in viewpoint

00:29:47.800 because obviously

00:29:49.620 he was giving me

00:29:50.420 things I'd never

00:29:51.380 thought of before

00:29:52.060 because his viewpoint

00:29:52.860 is different to mine

00:29:53.740 this is kind of obvious

00:29:54.660 you know

00:29:55.040 you expand your mind

00:29:56.440 by talking to all sorts

00:29:57.460 of different people

00:29:58.300 that I couldn't agree more

00:30:00.260 we're going through this

00:30:01.220 as a

00:30:02.160 I don't know

00:30:02.900 as a culture

00:30:03.360 as a journalistic profession

00:30:04.660 I think on Ukraine

00:30:05.940 or with certainly

00:30:06.660 within the Republican Party

00:30:07.720 because you've got

00:30:08.680 half of the Republican Party

00:30:09.720 who's saying

00:30:10.360 you know

00:30:10.940 we need to pursue

00:30:11.820 the Reagan policy

00:30:12.640 in Ukraine

00:30:13.080 and we need to lead first

00:30:14.320 and it's you know

00:30:15.220 America by example

00:30:16.180 not America last 0.79

00:30:17.080 and then a growing segment

00:30:19.200 within the Republican Party

00:30:20.140 that doesn't support the war

00:30:21.300 and is saying

00:30:21.920 no we need to get out

00:30:22.680 this is ridiculous

00:30:23.300 we don't have US interest there

00:30:24.360 and I had many people ask me

00:30:26.540 where I stand on it

00:30:27.440 and where I stand is

00:30:28.220 I want as many opinions

00:30:29.320 as possible on this show

00:30:30.340 so people can make up

00:30:31.120 their own minds

00:30:31.600 I don't need to take a position

00:30:33.200 on Ukraine

00:30:33.620 I just need to expose

00:30:34.760 my audience

00:30:35.300 to smart people

00:30:36.840 arguing both sides

00:30:37.880 and I trust them

00:30:38.460 to make up their minds

00:30:39.260 you know

00:30:39.880 this is not the place to come

00:30:40.940 if you just want to hear

00:30:41.640 one point point of view

00:30:42.520 argued and argued well

00:30:43.540 over and over and over

00:30:44.400 right it's like

00:30:45.020 I would like the audience

00:30:46.680 on a sticky wicket issue

00:30:48.380 like that

00:30:49.080 to have everything

00:30:50.240 exposed to them

00:30:50.940 now I confess

00:30:52.060 when it comes to

00:30:52.920 this issue

00:30:53.560 that you and I are discussing

00:30:54.500 I really just

00:30:55.540 it's fine to discuss

00:30:56.680 the other side's arguments

00:30:57.500 but I

00:30:58.560 I think that they're

00:30:59.800 so abhorrent

00:31:00.480 I think that this is a group

00:31:01.940 that's serially

00:31:02.720 abusing young children

00:31:03.960 I can't imagine

00:31:05.720 over and over

00:31:07.120 platforming their views

00:31:08.040 we've had trans people

00:31:08.980 on the show

00:31:09.440 we've talked about

00:31:10.380 these issues openly

00:31:11.040 and honestly

00:31:11.480 but in no way

00:31:12.860 could I give credence

00:31:13.680 to the other side

00:31:14.220 of the argument

00:31:14.680 in the way that I am to you

00:31:16.220 well actually

00:31:17.580 I think it'd be brilliant

00:31:18.620 if you had them on

00:31:19.440 and the reason I think

00:31:20.240 that is because

00:31:20.780 they do themselves

00:31:21.560 so much more harm

00:31:23.020 than I can possibly

00:31:23.860 ever do

00:31:24.360 so if you had two hours

00:31:25.900 in which Rachel Levine

00:31:26.780 had to actually answer

00:31:27.760 straight questions

00:31:28.560 or evade the answers

00:31:30.020 that'd be so much

00:31:31.880 more powerful

00:31:32.340 than anything else

00:31:32.900 and that is why

00:31:33.880 Rachel would not

00:31:34.520 come on the show

00:31:35.160 yeah right

00:31:36.060 so that's why

00:31:36.560 they say no debate

00:31:37.500 because we call it

00:31:38.840 myself and my friends

00:31:39.980 in Sex Matter

00:31:40.760 is the organisation

00:31:41.460 I work for now

00:31:42.320 we call it

00:31:42.940 Operation Let Them Speak

00:31:44.720 because when you get

00:31:46.460 as happened here

00:31:47.300 a couple of weeks ago

00:31:48.180 at London Trans Pride

00:31:49.900 when you get

00:31:50.660 I mean you may

00:31:51.300 you may or may not

00:31:52.060 have seen this

00:31:52.500 so I'll tell the story

00:31:53.300 so it's a trans woman

00:31:54.980 called Sarah Jane Baker

00:31:56.160 so that's a man

00:31:57.420 a man who was called

00:31:58.300 Alan Baker

00:31:58.880 he was sent to jail

00:32:00.240 for kidnapping

00:32:02.620 and torturing

00:32:03.360 a young man

00:32:04.120 and then when he was

00:32:05.360 in jail

00:32:05.840 he tried to kill

00:32:06.580 his cellmate

00:32:07.200 he spent 30 years

00:32:08.240 in jail

00:32:08.740 during which time

00:32:09.940 he insisted

00:32:10.460 that he was a woman

00:32:11.320 and he actually

00:32:12.480 cut off his own testicles

00:32:13.660 and ate them

00:32:14.260 in his cell

00:32:14.920 so this is a very

00:32:16.620 seriously disturbed man

00:32:18.040 he has said

00:32:18.620 that he has many

00:32:19.320 serious psychiatric disorders

00:32:21.580 he has revealed

00:32:22.600 that himself

00:32:23.160 he's now out

00:32:24.380 and he is campaigning

00:32:25.700 for trans women

00:32:27.000 men like him

00:32:27.980 to be held

00:32:28.540 in the female estate 0.96

00:32:29.460 to be put in women's prisons 1.00

00:32:30.520 so he was a speaker

00:32:32.280 at London Trans Pride

00:32:33.620 quite recently

00:32:34.440 in the last week or two

00:32:35.400 and he stood on the stage

00:32:37.140 and he said

00:32:38.040 fuck turfs

00:32:39.200 if you see a turf

00:32:40.960 fuck them

00:32:41.600 in the

00:32:41.800 fuck her in the 1.00

00:32:42.720 sorry

00:32:43.240 punch her in the fucking face 1.00

00:32:44.400 and he got a massive cheer

00:32:46.780 and this was all captured

00:32:47.680 on video

00:32:48.180 I think that's more powerful

00:32:49.620 than anything I can say

00:32:50.720 like I can say

00:32:51.860 this is a violent movement

00:32:52.980 that doesn't care 0.59

00:32:53.680 about women's rights

00:32:54.500 but you know

00:32:55.340 when you look at

00:32:55.800 Sarah Jane Baker

00:32:56.440 you can see it's a man

00:32:57.380 and there's a man

00:32:58.820 saying punch women 1.00

00:32:59.700 in the face

00:33:00.320 it's brilliant

00:33:01.060 let them speak

00:33:02.300 you're right

00:33:03.460 I will confess to you

00:33:05.200 it would be hard

00:33:05.840 for me to control

00:33:06.420 my anger

00:33:06.920 in such an

00:33:07.640 you know

00:33:08.040 certainly of that guy

00:33:09.280 but if somebody put

00:33:10.700 you know

00:33:11.840 maybe I need to settle

00:33:12.780 on this more

00:33:13.560 until I can actually do it

00:33:14.740 because you never want

00:33:15.800 the audience

00:33:16.240 to say yes to you

00:33:17.180 no they're not

00:33:18.400 they're not

00:33:18.740 they're not

00:33:19.060 but I don't know

00:33:20.340 I mean

00:33:20.580 we've had trans people

00:33:22.120 on the show

00:33:22.760 I know you know

00:33:23.640 Caitlyn Jenner

00:33:24.260 has been on the show

00:33:25.420 and would come on

00:33:26.140 again I think

00:33:26.880 but Caitlyn Jenner

00:33:28.200 is not like these other people

00:33:29.260 I know Caitlyn Jenner

00:33:30.700 is controversial

00:33:31.360 and not everybody's

00:33:32.660 on board with Caitlyn

00:33:33.680 and Caitlyn's approach

00:33:34.900 to this whole thing

00:33:35.500 but you know

00:33:37.140 I don't think

00:33:37.760 I think there's a world

00:33:38.400 of difference

00:33:38.800 between Caitlyn Jenner

00:33:39.720 and some of these activists

00:33:41.000 that we're talking about

00:33:42.020 who won't acknowledge

00:33:43.820 that they're biological men

00:33:45.000 right

00:33:45.440 that hasn't been Caitlyn's position

00:33:46.860 yeah

00:33:47.880 yeah

00:33:48.340 so I guess in that situation

00:33:49.440 what a journalist can do

00:33:50.480 is what journalists always do

00:33:51.800 when you have

00:33:52.480 a story that's worth telling

00:33:54.080 but you can't get comment

00:33:55.820 is that you use

00:33:57.120 whatever footage is available

00:33:58.180 so you show the footage

00:33:59.940 of Sarah Jane Baker

00:34:00.840 inciting a crowd

00:34:02.240 to violence against women

00:34:03.320 for demanding women's rights

00:34:04.480 I have been shocked

00:34:06.480 by the dereliction of duty

00:34:08.000 by journalists

00:34:08.660 on this topic

00:34:09.480 I mean you are a shining exception

00:34:10.820 obviously

00:34:11.260 and there are some others

00:34:12.280 but I have never seen

00:34:14.580 a story treated

00:34:15.400 with so little professionalism

00:34:17.480 and so little balance

00:34:18.800 I don't know what happened

00:34:21.420 I mean

00:34:21.860 you know

00:34:22.420 this is an ideology

00:34:23.140 that turns institutions

00:34:24.840 upside down

00:34:25.560 it doesn't just

00:34:26.340 knock them off course

00:34:27.560 it turns them around

00:34:29.020 so they start working

00:34:30.180 against the exact thing

00:34:31.580 that they were set up

00:34:32.520 to work for

00:34:33.620 so you see journalists

00:34:35.360 saying they want censorship

00:34:36.660 yeah

00:34:37.840 I mean

00:34:38.100 the most extraordinary example

00:34:39.300 is all the gay rights organisations 0.99

00:34:40.920 that are now

00:34:41.580 actively campaigning

00:34:43.120 to sterilise

00:34:44.420 little gay boys 0.97

00:34:45.480 I mean

00:34:46.620 it's the most extraordinary thing

00:34:48.100 when you register this fact

00:34:49.260 that people like Stonewall

00:34:50.560 and the

00:34:51.040 GLA-AD

00:34:52.300 and the HRC

00:34:53.900 what they are campaigning for

00:34:55.940 is a medical protocol

00:34:57.980 that puts

00:34:59.300 disproportionately

00:35:00.920 children who are going

00:35:01.920 to grow up gay

00:35:02.700 on a pathway

00:35:04.420 to being unable

00:35:05.260 to orgasm 0.52

00:35:06.020 to being unable

00:35:08.240 to reproduce

00:35:09.060 and to presenting

00:35:10.700 themselves

00:35:11.240 as simulacra

00:35:12.380 of the opposite sex 1.00

00:35:13.300 but straight

00:35:13.940 I can think of

00:35:15.380 nothing more homophobic

00:35:17.180 or wicked

00:35:17.740 to do to gay people 1.00

00:35:19.100 than to chop up

00:35:20.700 their bodies

00:35:21.120 and turn them into

00:35:22.000 pretend straight people

00:35:23.040 of the opposite sex 1.00

00:35:23.900 and yet

00:35:24.680 the people

00:35:25.500 who are campaigning

00:35:26.260 for that

00:35:26.700 are the gay rights organisations

00:35:28.140 and so journalism

00:35:29.980 has been turned

00:35:30.760 on its head

00:35:31.380 as well

00:35:32.100 like journalists

00:35:32.760 are now pro-censorship

00:35:34.260 they're pro-telling lies

00:35:36.220 about this topic

00:35:37.460 as long as it's

00:35:38.420 for the greater good

00:35:39.540 you know

00:35:40.420 I'm ashamed

00:35:40.820 to call myself

00:35:41.520 a journalist

00:35:41.980 some days

00:35:42.580 when I look

00:35:42.960 at what people

00:35:43.440 are putting out

00:35:44.020 under the name

00:35:44.540 of journalism

00:35:44.980 on this

00:35:45.560 this is like

00:35:46.560 a horror movie

00:35:47.500 it's true

00:35:48.280 it is

00:35:48.640 a horror film

00:35:49.600 that can't actually

00:35:50.440 be real

00:35:51.000 and we didn't even

00:35:52.080 mention

00:35:52.580 the women's groups

00:35:53.900 you know

00:35:54.480 so many

00:35:55.220 so-called feminists 1.00

00:35:57.020 who are on

00:35:58.360 the entirely

00:35:59.040 wrong side

00:36:00.000 of this

00:36:00.580 like

00:36:01.300 Megan Rapinoe

00:36:03.360 who was in the news

00:36:04.400 just this week

00:36:04.900 the soccer player

00:36:05.580 saying you know

00:36:06.160 oh where are all

00:36:06.860 these alleged trans people

00:36:07.960 who are taking

00:36:08.480 women's opportunities

00:36:09.220 in sport

00:36:09.780 why don't you try

00:36:10.620 reading the news

00:36:11.400 try reading the news

00:36:12.500 instead of just

00:36:13.080 staying on your

00:36:13.500 liberal social media

00:36:15.120 platforms

00:36:15.760 because the facts

00:36:16.920 are everywhere

00:36:17.400 I know

00:36:18.640 it's as if

00:36:19.080 I mean

00:36:19.440 it's literally

00:36:20.100 the opposite

00:36:20.720 of what they

00:36:21.240 should be doing

00:36:21.740 it's not like

00:36:23.060 they're just

00:36:23.440 not doing

00:36:23.920 feminism

00:36:24.380 it's they're

00:36:25.320 doing

00:36:25.580 anti-women's

00:36:26.640 rights

00:36:27.000 so I mean

00:36:28.260 I know

00:36:28.720 because I talked

00:36:29.400 also to the

00:36:30.160 girls who had 0.97

00:36:30.860 to compete

00:36:31.240 with trans athletes

00:36:32.060 in high school

00:36:32.660 and I quoted

00:36:33.180 some of them

00:36:33.580 in my book

00:36:34.120 and I know

00:36:35.020 I talked to them

00:36:35.680 and their mothers

00:36:36.120 and so on

00:36:36.660 and their mothers

00:36:37.160 thought

00:36:37.580 well I know

00:36:38.660 who I'll approach

00:36:39.540 I'll approach

00:36:40.060 the National

00:36:40.440 Organization for

00:36:41.240 Women 1.00

00:36:41.460 I'll approach

00:36:42.240 I forget

00:36:42.580 the name of it

00:36:43.100 but there's

00:36:43.880 a law centre

00:36:44.820 that's specifically

00:36:45.560 for women's rights

00:36:46.520 like they're

00:36:47.340 specifically the

00:36:48.140 organisations

00:36:48.700 that should have

00:36:49.340 supported

00:36:49.940 women standing up

00:36:51.600 against the intrusion

00:36:52.360 of men

00:36:52.800 into women's

00:36:53.440 sports

00:36:53.860 and yet

00:36:54.680 those organisations

00:36:55.520 are now

00:36:55.980 actively campaigning

00:36:57.440 to destroy

00:36:58.220 women's sports

00:36:59.180 and they're

00:37:00.760 actively campaigning

00:37:01.880 to centre men

00:37:03.180 in women's spaces 0.86

00:37:04.460 to make it all

00:37:05.960 about the men

00:37:06.640 I mean

00:37:07.320 you know

00:37:07.760 in the sense

00:37:08.500 when you

00:37:09.060 you know

00:37:09.300 men's rights

00:37:09.700 activist

00:37:10.040 could mean

00:37:10.720 you know

00:37:11.060 I'm standing up

00:37:11.540 for men's rights

00:37:12.040 and I'm all for that

00:37:12.880 I don't hate men

00:37:13.780 but we normally

00:37:14.880 when we say

00:37:15.320 men's rights

00:37:15.800 activist

00:37:16.140 we mean

00:37:16.640 the horrible

00:37:17.240 misogynistic

00:37:18.360 you know

00:37:19.000 kind of

00:37:21.000 incel types

00:37:21.880 like these

00:37:23.000 women's organisations

00:37:24.040 yeah

00:37:24.800 they're like

00:37:25.640 incels

00:37:26.120 honestly

00:37:26.600 so those

00:37:27.880 feminists

00:37:28.220 they're as bad

00:37:28.880 as incels

00:37:29.520 they say

00:37:30.480 things like

00:37:31.160 if a man

00:37:31.740 you know

00:37:31.920 if a trans woman

00:37:32.480 flashes her penis 1.00

00:37:33.720 at you

00:37:34.140 look away

00:37:34.880 that is an

00:37:35.720 incel argument

00:37:36.620 there's no such

00:37:38.140 thing as her penis 1.00

00:37:38.940 I mean

00:37:39.520 but this all

00:37:40.160 goes back

00:37:40.600 to the opening

00:37:41.400 line

00:37:41.840 and the woman 0.95

00:37:42.600 I mentioned

00:37:43.040 is Kelly Robinson

00:37:43.780 who is the head

00:37:44.680 of human rights

00:37:45.200 campaign

00:37:45.620 the one

00:37:46.280 that we mentioned

00:37:46.800 right off the top

00:37:47.580 who that used

00:37:48.620 to be just pro-gay 0.98

00:37:49.560 and gay rights

00:37:50.320 and now

00:37:50.800 is giving out

00:37:51.700 these equity

00:37:53.360 scores to a

00:37:54.240 corporate America

00:37:54.880 and they're bending

00:37:55.560 the knee to this

00:37:56.180 woman with the

00:37:56.920 trans women

00:37:57.980 are women 0.97

00:37:58.580 that's it

00:37:59.420 that's the tweet

00:38:00.180 it's important

00:38:01.340 that we not

00:38:02.400 refer to that

00:38:03.260 trans women

00:38:04.100 as men

00:38:05.680 because of the

00:38:07.040 issues that we're

00:38:07.540 discussing

00:38:07.920 right back to

00:38:08.860 if this is a

00:38:09.880 debate between

00:38:10.460 men and women

00:38:11.140 about who gets

00:38:11.800 to come into

00:38:12.300 women's spaces

00:38:13.060 and sports

00:38:13.920 and so on

00:38:14.520 we win

00:38:15.220 if this is a

00:38:16.220 debate between

00:38:16.800 women and women

00:38:18.020 who just happen

00:38:18.700 to have a

00:38:19.060 different point

00:38:19.500 of view

00:38:19.860 they're going

00:38:20.380 to side

00:38:20.860 with identity

00:38:21.640 politics

00:38:22.240 with the

00:38:22.840 wokesters

00:38:23.160 with the

00:38:23.540 people who

00:38:23.840 have aligned

00:38:24.160 with the

00:38:24.400 political left

00:38:25.060 but that's

00:38:25.980 that's not

00:38:26.760 the what's

00:38:28.040 happening here

00:38:28.600 that's not

00:38:29.180 what the

00:38:29.620 debate is

00:38:30.120 these are

00:38:31.380 men trying

00:38:32.160 to get into

00:38:32.540 our spaces

00:38:32.920 these are

00:38:33.240 men

00:38:33.380 in many cases

00:38:34.320 people who

00:38:34.840 live their

00:38:35.200 entire lives

00:38:35.880 as men

00:38:36.240 and about

00:38:36.820 two minutes

00:38:37.280 ago

00:38:37.580 declared that

00:38:38.600 they were

00:38:39.040 women 1.00

00:38:39.460 and then got

00:38:40.320 a free pass

00:38:41.000 into all of

00:38:41.480 our sports

00:38:41.900 into our jobs

00:38:42.560 and are calling

00:38:42.980 them the first

00:38:43.480 woman ever 0.83

00:38:44.020 Rachel Levine

00:38:45.040 the first

00:38:45.620 female admiral

00:38:46.800 no she isn't

00:38:47.940 he isn't

00:38:48.660 he's a man

00:38:49.400 yeah

00:38:50.560 exactly

00:38:51.820 exactly

00:38:52.500 exactly

00:38:52.980 exactly

00:38:53.520 I mean

00:38:54.200 you lose

00:38:55.020 it all

00:38:55.480 when you say

00:38:56.360 they're women 1.00

00:38:56.780 and you win

00:38:57.940 it all

00:38:58.260 when you say

00:38:58.760 they're men

00:38:59.100 which is why

00:38:59.540 they don't

00:38:59.840 want us

00:39:00.180 to say it

00:39:00.820 it's so clear

00:39:02.340 when you say

00:39:03.080 it in clear

00:39:03.500 language

00:39:03.960 and why

00:39:04.340 we must

00:39:04.720 exactly

00:39:05.160 and then

00:39:05.900 the language

00:39:06.280 is also

00:39:06.740 deliberately

00:39:07.220 confusing

00:39:07.860 like

00:39:08.260 in normies

00:39:09.160 who haven't

00:39:09.560 been paying

00:39:10.000 much attention

00:39:10.520 to this

00:39:10.940 debate

00:39:11.480 often wonder

00:39:12.360 it was the

00:39:13.500 first question

00:39:13.980 I was asked

00:39:14.460 whenever I tried

00:39:15.040 to explain

00:39:15.520 what I was

00:39:15.940 working on

00:39:16.480 as a journalist

00:39:17.140 and then

00:39:17.540 from my book

00:39:18.080 people would say

00:39:19.200 when they worked

00:39:20.160 out that I wasn't

00:39:21.020 going to you know

00:39:21.760 report them

00:39:22.300 for wrong think

00:39:23.020 or call them

00:39:24.180 a bigot

00:39:24.560 and cut them

00:39:25.000 off permanently

00:39:25.640 they would say

00:39:26.520 oh can I just

00:39:26.960 check with you

00:39:27.460 am I so many

00:39:28.020 questions about this

00:39:28.880 is a trans woman

00:39:30.080 a woman 0.57

00:39:30.660 who thinks

00:39:31.280 she's a man

00:39:32.120 or a man

00:39:33.220 who thinks

00:39:33.700 he's a woman

00:39:34.300 like so straight away

00:39:36.000 people just don't know

00:39:36.740 the most basic

00:39:37.640 things about this

00:39:38.640 because the terminology

00:39:39.460 is so confusing

00:39:40.600 I always say

00:39:41.660 to my audience

00:39:42.040 listen if you

00:39:42.740 want a quick

00:39:43.320 you know

00:39:44.220 a helpful

00:39:44.700 hint to figure

00:39:45.740 out what this

00:39:46.200 language is

00:39:46.680 if they're saying

00:39:47.460 if you replace

00:39:48.260 the word trans

00:39:49.160 with fake

00:39:49.900 it's very helpful

00:39:51.220 trans woman

00:39:52.080 means fake

00:39:52.580 or not

00:39:53.040 yeah not

00:39:54.240 is another good one

00:39:55.060 trans means

00:39:55.700 not

00:39:55.940 right right

00:39:56.100 or not

00:39:56.720 exactly

00:39:57.020 just a good

00:39:57.620 quick mnemonic

00:39:58.700 because even

00:39:59.660 when I listen

00:40:00.320 to people say

00:40:00.780 trans woman

00:40:01.380 trans woman

00:40:01.940 trans man

00:40:02.440 I'm like

00:40:02.740 who is it again

00:40:03.740 what does that mean

00:40:04.440 if you just

00:40:05.080 replace it with fake

00:40:05.820 or not

00:40:06.300 you're there

00:40:07.080 alright

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00:40:45.440 so Helen

00:40:49.540 I didn't get

00:40:50.140 to the third

00:40:50.740 danger

00:40:51.860 to allowing men

00:40:53.160 into women's spaces

00:40:54.180 we talked about

00:40:54.920 sexual predators

00:40:56.960 we talked about

00:40:57.720 the possibility

00:40:58.420 of pedophiles

00:40:59.200 but

00:41:00.000 there's also

00:41:01.360 the Leah Thomas

00:41:02.100 danger

00:41:02.560 and that is

00:41:03.640 the danger

00:41:04.280 of men

00:41:05.700 who have

00:41:06.560 autogynephilia

00:41:07.660 now we don't

00:41:08.480 know for sure

00:41:09.020 that Leah Thomas

00:41:09.640 has autogynephilia

00:41:10.620 but the Daily Wire

00:41:11.980 did an in-depth

00:41:12.740 report on Leah Thomas

00:41:13.840 social media

00:41:14.580 which strongly

00:41:15.620 suggests

00:41:16.280 that Leah Thomas

00:41:17.320 is an autogynephile

00:41:18.380 your book

00:41:19.440 spends a lot

00:41:19.960 of time

00:41:20.360 talking about

00:41:21.100 Ray Blanchard

00:41:22.380 who is

00:41:23.800 a sexologist

00:41:24.620 who coined

00:41:25.500 this terminology

00:41:26.520 and it's an

00:41:27.720 important term

00:41:28.900 to understand

00:41:29.820 because according

00:41:30.720 to your book

00:41:31.260 looking at

00:41:32.040 Blanchard's

00:41:34.200 reporting

00:41:35.240 as many as

00:41:36.720 82%

00:41:37.960 of straight

00:41:39.660 trans

00:41:40.700 people

00:41:41.640 like men 0.69

00:41:42.820 who claim

00:41:43.200 they're women 1.00

00:41:43.740 who are not

00:41:44.600 gay 0.99

00:41:44.980 are in fact

00:41:46.260 autogynephile

00:41:48.540 autogynephiles

00:41:49.840 so can you

00:41:50.460 explain what

00:41:51.100 that is

00:41:51.540 sure

00:41:52.740 and I'm

00:41:53.420 going to say

00:41:53.800 before I start

00:41:54.500 though that I

00:41:55.080 don't care

00:41:55.460 what a man's

00:41:55.960 motivation for

00:41:56.720 coming into

00:41:57.120 women's spaces

00:41:57.660 is he's not

00:41:58.680 welcome

00:41:58.980 I don't care

00:42:00.240 if he's very

00:42:00.680 sincere

00:42:01.160 I don't care

00:42:01.860 if he's not

00:42:02.460 a pervert

00:42:02.960 I don't care

00:42:03.660 if he's gay

00:42:04.120 or straight

00:42:04.600 it's a women's 0.89

00:42:05.680 space

00:42:05.960 he is not

00:42:06.840 welcome

00:42:07.320 as they say

00:42:08.520 good men

00:42:09.140 keep out

00:42:09.860 so that we

00:42:10.480 can give

00:42:10.760 everybody else

00:42:11.320 out

00:42:11.620 I don't

00:42:12.480 allow my

00:42:12.920 husband

00:42:13.220 I don't

00:42:13.720 allow my

00:42:14.080 sons

00:42:14.380 into women's

00:42:15.000 spaces

00:42:15.300 and I

00:42:15.980 expect them

00:42:16.460 to respect

00:42:16.880 women's

00:42:17.220 boundaries

00:42:17.600 that said

00:42:19.260 there are

00:42:20.000 different

00:42:20.300 motivations

00:42:20.820 for thinking

00:42:21.800 that you

00:42:22.120 are a member

00:42:22.500 of the

00:42:22.740 opposite

00:42:22.960 sex

00:42:23.460 both for

00:42:24.260 men

00:42:24.400 and for

00:42:24.660 women 1.00

00:42:24.860 and among

00:42:26.400 men

00:42:26.800 the two

00:42:27.400 common

00:42:27.820 presentations

00:42:28.480 are one

00:42:29.300 that they

00:42:29.980 were very

00:42:30.880 very effeminate

00:42:31.620 or feminine

00:42:32.140 or to use

00:42:33.200 the pejorative

00:42:33.700 term

00:42:34.020 sissy 1.00

00:42:34.460 little boys

00:42:35.240 and the

00:42:36.780 world

00:42:37.180 maybe their

00:42:37.680 own family

00:42:38.280 gave them

00:42:38.920 the strong

00:42:39.360 impression

00:42:39.760 that this

00:42:40.120 was not

00:42:40.460 okay

00:42:40.880 and that a

00:42:41.640 little boy

00:42:42.040 who's like

00:42:42.460 them

00:42:42.800 has something

00:42:43.700 wrong with

00:42:44.100 him

00:42:44.440 and is a

00:42:44.860 girl 0.91

00:42:45.180 really

00:42:45.660 and now

00:42:47.000 that kid

00:42:47.440 if he's

00:42:47.780 supported

00:42:48.220 and nobody

00:42:48.940 lies to

00:42:49.560 him about

00:42:49.880 what's

00:42:50.160 possible

00:42:50.560 will grow

00:42:51.040 up to

00:42:51.360 understand

00:42:51.760 that he's

00:42:52.080 a gay 0.72

00:42:52.320 man

00:42:52.540 and hopefully

00:42:53.060 be a

00:42:53.820 happy

00:42:54.400 healthy

00:42:55.440 fully

00:42:56.560 functioning

00:42:57.040 gay 0.99

00:42:57.500 man

00:42:57.740 in

00:42:57.860 adulthood

00:42:58.200 unfortunately

00:42:59.680 we're

00:42:59.940 transing

00:43:00.280 those

00:43:00.500 kids

00:43:00.740 now

00:43:01.000 so we

00:43:01.420 are

00:43:01.520 taking

00:43:01.740 away

00:43:01.960 their

00:43:02.120 futures

00:43:02.400 from

00:43:02.660 them

00:43:02.880 but the

00:43:03.680 other

00:43:03.940 group

00:43:04.320 are

00:43:04.660 straight 0.70

00:43:05.220 men

00:43:05.600 who

00:43:05.820 have

00:43:06.060 an

00:43:06.180 unusual

00:43:06.820 whether

00:43:07.760 you

00:43:07.920 think

00:43:08.100 of it

00:43:08.260 as a

00:43:08.460 sexual

00:43:08.740 orientation

00:43:09.260 or a

00:43:09.620 sexual

00:43:09.920 fetish

00:43:10.360 will depend

00:43:10.840 on how

00:43:11.320 you think

00:43:11.780 sex

00:43:12.140 works

00:43:12.560 but what

00:43:15.660 is the

00:43:16.260 idea of

00:43:16.860 themselves

00:43:17.340 as

00:43:17.880 women 1.00

00:43:18.180 that's

00:43:19.460 their

00:43:20.000 fantasy

00:43:20.900 it's

00:43:22.080 almost

00:43:22.240 as if

00:43:22.500 they're

00:43:22.640 in love

00:43:23.100 with

00:43:23.460 the

00:43:23.740 woman 0.99

00:43:23.920 version

00:43:24.260 of

00:43:24.460 themselves

00:43:24.900 and

00:43:25.760 that's

00:43:26.020 where

00:43:26.140 all

00:43:26.300 these

00:43:26.460 phrases

00:43:26.800 like

00:43:27.080 I

00:43:27.220 have

00:43:27.400 a

00:43:27.520 woman 0.99

00:43:27.700 inside

00:43:28.320 I

00:43:28.740 am

00:43:28.900 really

00:43:29.260 a

00:43:29.440 woman 0.99

00:43:29.620 inside

00:43:30.280 come

00:43:31.540 from

00:43:31.920 and

00:43:32.160 it's

00:43:32.320 on a

00:43:32.580 spectrum

00:43:32.940 with

00:43:33.340 erotic

00:43:33.800 cross

00:43:34.080 dressing

00:43:34.400 which

00:43:34.620 is

00:43:34.700 a

00:43:34.820 common

00:43:35.040 male

00:43:35.340 sexual

00:43:35.700 interest

00:43:36.200 lots

00:43:36.540 of

00:43:36.680 straight 0.70

00:43:36.880 men

00:43:37.120 do

00:43:37.440 dress

00:43:37.700 up

00:43:37.880 as

00:43:38.020 women 1.00

00:43:38.220 and

00:43:38.420 find

00:43:38.640 it

00:43:38.780 sexy

00:43:39.100 so

00:43:40.740 some

00:43:41.160 of

00:43:41.280 these

00:43:41.440 men

00:43:41.660 become

00:43:41.960 more

00:43:42.300 and

00:43:42.440 more

00:43:42.660 and

00:43:42.820 more

00:43:43.160 bought

00:43:44.300 into

00:43:44.600 this

00:43:44.860 fantasy

00:43:45.280 to the

00:43:45.760 extent

00:43:46.020 that

00:43:46.220 as

00:43:46.340 they

00:43:46.460 get

00:43:46.620 older

00:43:46.960 it

00:43:47.200 becomes

00:43:47.520 impossible

00:43:48.000 to

00:43:49.400 live

00:43:49.920 without

00:43:50.180 acting

00:43:50.520 out

00:43:50.720 that

00:43:50.900 fantasy

00:43:51.280 and

00:43:51.460 they

00:43:51.580 don't

00:43:51.780 want

00:43:51.960 to

00:43:52.060 just

00:43:52.280 keep

00:43:52.600 the

00:43:52.780 fantasy

00:43:53.120 woman 0.99

00:43:53.420 to

00:43:53.720 their

00:43:53.860 bedroom

00:43:54.220 or

00:43:54.500 going

00:43:55.860 away

00:43:56.200 on

00:43:56.360 cross

00:43:56.580 dressing

00:43:56.840 weekends

00:43:57.260 with

00:43:57.420 other

00:43:57.600 men

00:43:57.800 or

00:43:57.900 sharing

00:43:58.980 pictures

00:43:59.360 on

00:43:59.580 some

00:43:59.760 cross

00:43:59.980 dressing

00:44:00.260 website

00:44:00.740 and

00:44:01.740 now

00:44:02.100 of

00:44:02.340 course

00:44:02.760 they

00:44:03.140 can

00:44:03.280 go

00:44:03.460 and

00:44:03.640 say

00:44:03.920 I'm

00:44:04.200 really

00:44:04.460 a

00:44:04.640 woman 0.99

00:44:11.280 but

00:44:15.460 what

00:44:15.860 is

00:44:16.000 so

00:44:16.260 unusual

00:44:16.760 and

00:44:16.980 destructive

00:44:17.440 about

00:44:17.980 this

00:44:18.240 sexual

00:44:18.580 desire

00:44:18.980 and

00:44:19.200 urge

00:44:19.700 is

00:44:20.480 that

00:44:20.580 it

00:44:20.700 requires

00:44:21.240 everybody

00:44:21.640 else

00:44:21.920 to

00:44:22.080 play

00:44:22.320 along

00:44:22.680 that's

00:44:23.140 part

00:44:23.400 of

00:44:23.500 the

00:44:23.600 fantasy

00:44:23.960 and

00:44:24.820 that's

00:44:25.100 not

00:44:25.300 true

00:44:25.620 of

00:44:25.940 sexual

00:44:26.420 desires

00:44:26.820 in

00:44:27.120 general

00:44:27.500 I'm

00:44:28.840 a

00:44:28.900 heterosexual 0.84

00:44:29.380 woman 0.99

00:44:29.740 I

00:44:30.060 don't

00:44:30.560 need

00:44:30.720 other

00:44:30.880 people

00:44:31.200 to

00:44:31.420 validate

00:44:31.720 that

00:44:32.140 as

00:44:32.340 long

00:44:32.480 as

00:44:32.580 my

00:44:32.720 husband

00:44:33.100 agrees

00:44:33.440 with

00:44:33.600 me

00:44:33.780 that

00:44:34.040 I'm

00:44:34.200 a

00:44:34.300 heterosexual 0.84

00:44:34.620 woman 0.99

00:44:35.040 and

00:44:35.220 we

00:44:35.560 stay

00:44:35.740 together

00:44:36.060 that's

00:44:36.560 it

00:44:36.740 the

00:44:37.120 rest

00:44:37.280 of

00:44:37.360 the

00:44:37.440 world

00:44:37.580 doesn't

00:44:37.840 have

00:44:37.960 to

00:44:38.060 play

00:44:38.240 along

00:44:38.460 with

00:44:38.620 anything

00:44:38.880 for

00:44:39.080 that

00:44:39.340 but

00:44:39.980 if

00:44:40.140 you're

00:44:40.280 a

00:44:40.420 man

00:44:40.660 whose

00:44:40.880 deepest

00:44:41.320 sexual

00:44:41.840 desire

00:44:42.300 is

00:44:42.600 that

00:44:42.720 he

00:44:42.800 is

00:44:42.920 really

00:44:43.400 a

00:44:43.640 woman 0.99

00:44:43.940 then

00:44:45.240 that

00:44:45.480 man

00:44:45.820 requires

00:44:46.480 everybody

00:44:46.960 specifically

00:44:47.620 women 1.00

00:44:48.020 to

00:44:48.520 agree

00:44:48.780 with

00:44:48.980 him

00:44:49.180 and

00:44:50.100 he

00:44:50.200 doesn't

00:44:50.460 just

00:44:50.680 want

00:44:50.900 to

00:44:51.040 cross

00:44:51.300 dress

00:44:51.620 he

00:44:51.800 wants

00:44:52.020 to

00:44:52.160 come

00:44:52.360 into

00:44:52.580 women 1.00

00:44:52.820 only

00:44:53.120 spaces

00:44:53.600 because

00:44:54.320 he

00:44:54.500 wants

00:44:54.740 to

00:44:54.900 be

00:44:55.060 in

00:44:55.200 the

00:44:55.320 place

00:44:55.660 where

00:44:55.860 his

00:44:56.060 womanhood

00:44:56.460 is

00:44:56.620 validated

00:44:57.100 so

00:44:57.820 that

00:44:58.040 doesn't

00:44:58.360 just

00:44:58.560 mean

00:44:58.760 that

00:44:58.900 he

00:44:59.020 wants

00:44:59.260 to

00:44:59.440 use

00:44:59.660 the

00:44:59.780 women 1.00

00:44:59.940 toilets

00:45:00.400 and

00:45:00.560 women 1.00

00:45:00.760 changing

00:45:01.180 rooms

00:45:01.440 and

00:45:01.580 so

00:45:01.760 on

00:45:01.940 because

00:45:02.140 that's

00:45:02.400 convenient

00:45:02.860 it

00:45:03.540 means

00:45:03.740 he

00:45:03.860 wants

00:45:04.080 to

00:45:04.240 use

00:45:04.420 them

00:45:04.520 for

00:45:04.660 validation

00:45:05.140 he

00:45:05.780 goes

00:45:06.000 into

00:45:06.160 them

00:45:06.340 specifically

00:45:07.040 so

00:45:07.340 all

00:45:07.500 these

00:45:07.660 men

00:45:07.840 they

00:45:08.000 go

00:45:08.160 and

00:45:08.280 they

00:45:08.680 join

00:45:09.000 menopause

00:45:09.660 support

00:45:10.140 groups

00:45:10.480 on

00:45:10.680 Facebook

00:45:11.260 they

00:45:12.240 join

00:45:12.520 women 1.00

00:45:12.780 only

00:45:13.100 swim

00:45:13.420 sessions

00:45:13.920 when

00:45:14.220 actually

00:45:14.500 there's

00:45:14.720 a

00:45:14.820 mixed

00:45:15.020 sex

00:45:15.300 session

00:45:15.640 as

00:45:15.840 well

00:45:16.200 you

00:45:17.080 know

00:45:17.160 they

00:45:17.300 do

00:45:17.460 all

00:45:17.740 these

00:45:17.980 things

00:45:18.260 that

00:45:18.440 only

00:45:18.860 women 1.00

00:45:19.140 can

00:45:19.380 do

00:45:19.760 because

00:45:20.200 that's

00:45:20.560 the

00:45:20.700 thing

00:45:20.860 that

00:45:21.000 they

00:45:21.100 get

00:45:21.320 off

00:45:21.540 on

00:45:21.780 and

00:45:22.540 any

00:45:22.840 woman 0.99

00:45:23.140 who

00:45:23.400 says

00:45:23.860 sorry

00:45:24.320 mate

00:45:24.720 you're

00:45:25.220 a

00:45:25.340 man

00:45:25.640 not

00:45:26.240 welcome

00:45:26.660 she's

00:45:27.980 striking

00:45:28.320 a blow

00:45:28.840 at his

00:45:29.220 own

00:45:29.480 at the

00:45:29.800 heart

00:45:30.120 of his

00:45:30.360 own

00:45:30.540 self

00:45:30.840 image

00:45:31.080 and

00:45:31.260 his

00:45:31.380 erotic

00:45:31.840 fantasy

00:45:32.360 as

00:45:32.640 well

00:45:32.920 and

00:45:33.580 men

00:45:34.060 and

00:45:34.280 their

00:45:34.440 sex

00:45:34.720 drives

00:45:35.180 you

00:45:36.000 know

00:45:36.200 it's

00:45:36.640 it's

00:45:36.860 one

00:45:37.000 of

00:45:37.080 the

00:45:37.180 forces

00:45:37.480 that

00:45:37.760 moves

00:45:38.000 this

00:45:38.180 world

00:45:38.540 is

00:45:38.820 what

00:45:38.960 men

00:45:39.180 want

00:45:39.420 sexually 0.61

00:45:39.860 and

00:45:40.680 these

00:45:40.940 men

00:45:41.160 are

00:45:41.360 very

00:45:42.160 very

00:45:42.880 motivated

00:45:43.760 I

00:45:44.380 think

00:45:44.620 of

00:45:44.740 them

00:45:44.840 as

00:45:44.940 the

00:45:45.060 beating

00:45:45.360 nuclear

00:45:45.880 reactor

00:45:46.300 at the

00:45:46.620 heart

00:45:46.880 of

00:45:47.020 this

00:45:47.180 movement

00:45:47.520 they

00:45:48.260 may

00:45:48.440 not

00:45:48.580 even

00:45:48.760 be

00:45:48.920 numerically

00:45:49.500 the

00:45:49.700 biggest

00:45:49.920 part

00:45:50.280 of

00:45:50.400 this

00:45:50.540 movement

00:45:50.860 and

00:45:51.660 in

00:45:51.780 fact

00:45:51.920 the

00:45:52.080 foot

00:45:52.300 soldiers

00:45:52.640 of

00:45:52.780 this

00:45:52.940 movement

00:45:53.280 are

00:45:53.600 the

00:45:53.760 young

00:45:53.960 women 1.00

00:45:54.260 who

00:45:54.500 have

00:45:54.680 grown

00:45:54.960 up

00:45:55.160 in

00:45:55.320 queer 0.99

00:45:55.540 theory

00:45:55.840 at

00:45:56.000 universities

00:45:56.520 and

00:45:57.120 they're

00:45:57.300 the

00:45:57.460 worst

00:45:57.840 for parroting

00:45:58.520 that trans 0.92

00:45:58.960 women are 1.00

00:45:59.260 women 1.00

00:45:59.460 but without

00:46:00.240 this

00:46:00.540 hard

00:46:01.160 core

00:46:01.720 of

00:46:02.320 men

00:46:02.660 whose

00:46:02.960 dearest

00:46:03.600 and

00:46:03.840 sole

00:46:04.260 desire

00:46:04.960 in

00:46:05.300 life

00:46:05.740 is to

00:46:06.580 force

00:46:06.900 everybody

00:46:07.220 to

00:46:07.400 pretend

00:46:07.680 that

00:46:07.900 they're

00:46:08.060 women 1.00

00:46:08.280 this

00:46:08.840 would

00:46:08.960 not

00:46:09.120 have

00:46:09.240 got

00:46:09.380 so

00:46:09.580 far

00:46:09.880 this

00:46:11.080 is

00:46:11.180 so

00:46:11.360 fascinating

00:46:11.820 this

00:46:12.100 is

00:46:12.200 going

00:46:12.300 to

00:46:12.360 take

00:46:12.480 more

00:46:12.660 than

00:46:12.860 this

00:46:13.120 block

00:46:13.380 to

00:46:13.540 get

00:46:13.640 through

00:46:13.860 but

00:46:14.380 when

00:46:14.860 you

00:46:14.980 were

00:46:15.100 speaking

00:46:15.380 it

00:46:15.540 reminded

00:46:15.840 me

00:46:16.000 of

00:46:16.100 an

00:46:16.200 interview

00:46:16.400 I

00:46:16.520 did

00:46:16.620 with

00:46:16.780 Dr.

00:46:17.200 Deborah

00:46:17.680 So

00:46:18.060 who

00:46:18.680 left

00:46:19.000 the

00:46:19.200 scientific

00:46:19.500 field

00:46:19.940 you know

00:46:20.240 her

00:46:20.480 and

00:46:21.200 she's

00:46:21.660 been

00:46:21.760 writing

00:46:21.960 about

00:46:22.140 this

00:46:22.280 for

00:46:22.400 years

00:46:22.600 very

00:46:22.840 bold

00:46:23.160 very

00:46:23.400 brave

00:46:23.840 and

00:46:24.300 she

00:46:24.500 talked

00:46:24.860 about

00:46:25.060 she

00:46:25.360 studied

00:46:26.040 sexual

00:46:26.720 fetishes

00:46:27.220 and

00:46:27.960 said

00:46:28.260 I

00:46:28.400 remember

00:46:28.560 she

00:46:28.740 told

00:46:29.000 me

00:46:29.120 this

00:46:29.260 is

00:46:29.320 before

00:46:29.500 we

00:46:29.640 even

00:46:29.780 have

00:46:29.940 video

00:46:30.220 that

00:46:30.900 one

00:46:32.320 of

00:46:32.440 the

00:46:32.560 most

00:46:33.180 common

00:46:33.580 sexual

00:46:34.000 fetishes

00:46:34.440 I think

00:46:34.780 she said

00:46:35.120 was

00:46:35.440 people

00:46:36.100 have

00:46:36.700 a desire

00:46:37.260 to be

00:46:37.760 eaten

00:46:38.140 by an

00:46:38.640 animal

00:46:38.960 and

00:46:39.760 so

00:46:40.180 I'm

00:46:40.440 like

00:46:40.540 well

00:46:40.640 how

00:46:40.780 do

00:46:40.880 they

00:46:41.120 act

00:46:41.620 that

00:46:41.880 out

00:46:42.160 right

00:46:42.500 and

00:46:43.060 so

00:46:43.240 they

00:46:43.400 can

00:46:43.580 use

00:46:43.880 cartoons

00:46:44.460 or

00:46:44.880 drawings

00:46:45.580 but

00:46:45.820 that

00:46:46.060 for

00:46:46.300 whatever

00:46:46.560 reason

00:46:46.900 is

00:46:47.100 what

00:46:47.300 gets

00:46:47.560 them

00:46:47.740 off

00:46:48.040 the

00:46:48.180 idea

00:46:48.440 of

00:46:48.560 some

00:46:48.760 animal

00:46:49.660 eating

00:46:50.160 them

00:46:50.480 now

00:46:51.140 these

00:46:51.560 people

00:46:51.780 do

00:46:51.940 not

00:46:52.100 require

00:46:52.480 you

00:46:52.940 or

00:46:53.480 me

00:46:53.920 to

00:46:54.340 say

00:46:54.520 yeah

00:46:54.880 you're

00:46:55.420 you're

00:46:55.780 gonna

00:46:55.880 get

00:46:56.060 eaten

00:46:56.280 by

00:46:56.480 an

00:46:56.620 animal

00:46:56.900 yeah

00:46:57.320 I

00:46:57.560 saw

00:46:57.760 that

00:46:57.940 elephant

00:46:58.180 eat

00:46:58.420 you

00:46:58.520 right

00:46:58.700 up

00:46:58.880 like

00:46:59.180 we

00:46:59.780 don't

00:46:59.960 have

00:47:00.180 to

00:47:00.300 participate

00:47:00.800 in

00:47:00.960 their

00:47:01.060 sexual

00:47:01.440 fetish

00:47:01.860 so

00:47:02.460 it's

00:47:02.820 relatively

00:47:03.420 harmless

00:47:03.960 like

00:47:04.360 okay

00:47:04.780 you

00:47:05.140 do

00:47:05.280 your

00:47:05.420 thing

00:47:05.640 if

00:47:05.820 you

00:47:05.900 want

00:47:06.000 to

00:47:06.060 look

00:47:06.180 at

00:47:06.280 weird

00:47:06.460 cartoons

00:47:06.840 of

00:47:07.040 the

00:47:07.160 animals

00:47:07.420 eating

00:47:07.660 you

00:47:07.860 it's

00:47:08.100 your

00:47:08.260 business

00:47:08.640 this

00:47:09.820 sexual

00:47:10.620 fetish

00:47:11.040 is

00:47:11.700 taking

00:47:12.100 over

00:47:12.560 our

00:47:12.880 world

00:47:13.320 our

00:47:13.920 little

00:47:14.220 girls 0.98

00:47:14.600 world

00:47:15.080 are

00:47:15.400 all

00:47:15.780 of

00:47:15.900 our

00:47:16.040 spaces

00:47:16.480 and

00:47:17.080 so

00:47:17.360 to put

00:47:18.040 it

00:47:18.120 in

00:47:18.200 legal

00:47:18.400 terms

00:47:18.740 we

00:47:19.160 have

00:47:19.340 standing

00:47:20.440 to

00:47:21.020 object

00:47:21.540 and

00:47:22.080 yet

00:47:22.220 it's

00:47:22.360 not

00:47:22.540 recognized

00:47:23.020 by

00:47:24.040 all

00:47:25.040 these

00:47:25.280 institutions

00:47:25.780 that

00:47:26.060 want

00:47:26.260 to

00:47:26.380 sound

00:47:26.640 and

00:47:26.820 look

00:47:26.980 inclusive

00:47:27.500 and

00:47:28.960 the

00:47:29.280 worst

00:47:29.680 thing

00:47:29.940 about

00:47:30.220 this

00:47:30.600 and

00:47:30.880 sort

00:47:31.080 of

00:47:31.180 to

00:47:31.300 finish

00:47:31.600 the

00:47:31.900 you

00:47:32.180 know

00:47:32.280 why

00:47:32.540 these

00:47:32.740 people

00:47:33.000 are

00:47:33.120 the

00:47:33.240 beating

00:47:33.580 the

00:47:33.820 date

00:47:34.020 you

00:47:34.140 know

00:47:34.200 the

00:47:34.340 toxic

00:47:34.780 beating

00:47:35.260 nuclear

00:47:35.840 reactor

00:47:36.240 at the

00:47:36.500 heart

00:47:36.700 of

00:47:36.840 this

00:47:37.000 movement

00:47:37.320 is

00:47:38.260 because

00:47:43.320 really

00:47:43.880 are

00:47:44.340 women 1.00

00:47:44.700 they

00:47:45.560 don't

00:47:45.820 want

00:47:46.020 you

00:47:46.120 to

00:47:46.240 play

00:47:46.500 along

00:47:46.920 they

00:47:47.280 don't

00:47:47.460 want

00:47:47.640 you

00:47:47.720 to

00:47:47.800 be

00:47:47.900 like

00:47:48.080 yeah

00:47:48.340 whatever

00:47:48.780 okay

00:47:49.300 you

00:47:49.680 know

00:47:49.760 you're

00:47:49.920 basically

00:47:50.240 like a

00:47:50.500 drag

00:47:50.700 queen 0.69

00:47:51.000 you

00:47:51.200 know

00:47:51.320 I

00:47:51.440 don't

00:47:51.580 care

00:47:51.780 if

00:47:51.900 men

00:47:52.060 wear

00:47:52.200 women's

00:47:52.520 clothes

00:47:52.920 and

00:47:53.840 so

00:47:54.140 they

00:47:54.540 say

00:47:55.780 that

00:47:56.000 they

00:47:56.160 were

00:47:56.300 always

00:47:56.740 that

00:47:56.960 way

00:47:57.180 that

00:47:57.380 really

00:47:57.900 inside

00:47:58.680 their

00:47:59.140 women 1.00

00:47:59.380 and

00:48:00.180 that

00:48:00.480 means

00:48:00.820 they

00:48:01.000 have

00:48:01.260 to

00:48:01.360 have

00:48:01.520 been

00:48:01.700 trans

00:48:02.080 children

00:48:02.660 it

00:48:02.940 means

00:48:03.140 they

00:48:03.260 have

00:48:03.400 to

00:48:03.480 been

00:48:03.640 trans

00:48:03.960 children

00:48:04.440 so

00:48:04.960 these

00:48:13.320 and

00:48:14.880 we're

00:48:15.160 listening

00:48:16.040 to

00:48:16.320 them

00:48:16.600 we

00:48:16.800 are

00:48:16.960 seeding

00:48:17.860 the

00:48:18.220 debate

00:48:18.880 because

00:48:19.900 we've

00:48:20.300 been

00:48:20.500 shamed

00:48:21.260 by

00:48:22.120 the

00:48:22.520 media

00:48:22.940 by

00:48:23.600 as

00:48:24.040 you

00:48:24.160 point

00:48:24.360 out

00:48:24.580 the

00:48:24.800 main

00:48:25.340 leaders

00:48:26.000 of

00:48:26.160 the

00:48:26.260 movement

00:48:26.500 the

00:48:26.700 generals

00:48:27.120 the

00:48:27.640 young

00:48:27.840 women 1.00

00:48:28.080 who

00:48:28.200 have

00:48:28.280 been

00:48:28.400 indoctrinated

00:48:28.960 in

00:48:29.220 queer 0.99

00:48:29.520 theory

00:48:29.920 in

00:48:30.060 the

00:48:30.160 universities

00:48:30.640 we're

00:48:31.280 allowing

00:48:31.880 these

00:48:32.160 people

00:48:32.340 to

00:48:32.520 shame

00:48:32.840 us

00:48:33.300 it's

00:48:33.940 bad

00:48:34.180 enough

00:48:34.400 for

00:48:34.580 us

00:48:34.860 but

00:48:35.120 it's

00:48:35.420 a

00:48:35.620 totally

00:48:35.940 different

00:48:36.260 matter

00:48:36.540 when

00:48:36.720 we're

00:48:36.860 talking

00:48:37.160 about

00:48:37.500 our

00:48:38.000 children

00:48:39.020 and

00:48:39.880 that's

00:48:40.080 what

00:48:43.320 self

00:48:43.680 you

00:48:44.680 must

00:48:45.160 find

00:48:45.500 a

00:48:45.640 way

00:48:45.780 to

00:48:45.940 stand

00:48:46.160 up

00:48:46.360 to

00:48:46.500 this

00:48:46.680 otherwise

00:48:47.060 our

00:48:47.860 children

00:48:48.300 are

00:48:48.500 not

00:48:48.640 only

00:48:48.780 going

00:48:48.860 to

00:48:48.880 be

00:48:49.000 hurt

00:48:49.200 by

00:48:49.340 these

00:48:49.500 people

00:48:49.820 some

00:48:50.200 of

00:48:50.340 them

00:48:50.500 but

00:48:51.220 they're

00:48:51.460 going

00:48:51.580 to

00:48:51.620 be

00:48:51.720 indoctrinated

00:48:52.340 in

00:48:52.600 the

00:48:52.700 thinking

00:48:53.020 and

00:48:53.320 the

00:48:53.480 harm

00:48:53.680 is

00:48:53.800 only

00:48:53.960 going

00:48:54.120 to

00:48:54.220 spread

00:48:54.460 right

00:48:54.700 Helen

00:48:54.980 Joyce

00:48:55.200 stays

00:48:55.400 with

00:48:55.540 this

00:48:55.640 I

00:49:13.320 my

00:49:13.520 God

00:49:13.780 look

00:49:14.380 around

00:49:14.580 your

00:49:14.700 knitting

00:49:14.900 circle

00:49:15.200 ladies 0.99

00:49:15.540 make

00:49:16.140 sure

00:49:16.420 make

00:49:17.040 sure

00:49:17.260 you

00:49:17.380 only

00:49:17.520 have

00:49:17.740 real

00:49:17.940 women 1.00

00:49:18.200 in

00:49:18.360 there

00:49:18.580 somebody

00:49:19.320 could

00:49:19.540 be

00:49:19.660 enjoying

00:49:19.960 it

00:49:20.120 way

00:49:20.280 more

00:49:20.460 than

00:49:20.620 you

00:49:20.780 are

00:49:21.000 fellow

00:49:21.440 knitters

00:49:21.860 we'll

00:49:22.800 talk

00:49:22.980 about

00:49:23.140 that

00:49:23.360 much

00:49:23.580 much

00:49:23.740 more

00:49:23.880 when

00:49:23.960 we

00:49:24.040 come

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00:49:24.340 with

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00:49:24.700 Joyce

00:49:24.940 and

00:49:25.180 before

00:49:25.560 we

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00:49:45.640 names are

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00:49:46.560 we're fugitives

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00:49:49.800 and Clyde

00:49:50.480 with better

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00:49:51.540 espionage

00:49:53.220 you're still

00:49:53.740 as good

00:49:54.040 a shot

00:49:54.420 as you

00:49:54.680 used to

00:49:54.980 be

00:49:55.360 better

00:49:56.940 is there

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00:49:58.960 to walk

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00:50:01.160 romantic

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00:50:09.220 so

00:50:12.780 picking

00:50:13.100 back up

00:50:13.620 the

00:50:13.720 discussion

00:50:14.040 on

00:50:14.280 autogynophiles

00:50:15.400 you write

00:50:16.560 in the

00:50:16.780 book

00:50:16.940 about

00:50:17.300 a

00:50:17.940 trans

00:50:18.480 woman 0.99

00:50:19.020 named

00:50:19.480 Anne

00:50:19.920 Lawrence

00:50:20.420 who came

00:50:21.220 across

00:50:21.680 Ray Blanchard's

00:50:22.580 work in

00:50:22.900 1994

00:50:23.500 and

00:50:24.100 dug

00:50:25.060 deep

00:50:25.420 on the

00:50:26.120 subject

00:50:26.400 of

00:50:26.580 autogynophilia

00:50:27.380 and

00:50:28.320 concluded

00:50:29.000 as others

00:50:30.240 have as

00:50:30.580 well

00:50:30.800 that

00:50:31.180 almost

00:50:32.140 anything

00:50:32.700 coded

00:50:33.140 female 0.86

00:50:33.520 or

00:50:33.740 feminine

00:50:34.140 can

00:50:35.040 cause

00:50:35.420 an

00:50:35.680 intense

00:50:36.200 erotic

00:50:36.820 arousal

00:50:37.680 that

00:50:38.280 seems

00:50:38.540 to

00:50:38.740 simultaneously

00:50:39.400 animate

00:50:40.340 and

00:50:40.800 discredit

00:50:41.380 autogynophiles

00:50:42.960 desire

00:50:43.540 to have

00:50:44.460 female 0.86

00:50:44.820 bodies

00:50:45.260 so they

00:50:45.680 get

00:50:45.860 turned

00:50:46.220 on

00:50:46.620 by

00:50:47.140 anything

00:50:47.860 female 0.86

00:50:49.120 or

00:50:49.540 feminine

00:50:50.100 her

00:50:50.860 informants

00:50:51.820 that spoke

00:50:52.320 to her

00:50:52.540 the people

00:50:52.940 speaking

00:50:53.240 to her

00:50:53.500 recount

00:50:53.880 erotic

00:50:54.300 fantasies

00:50:54.800 of

00:50:55.140 pushing

00:50:55.840 a baby

00:50:56.260 buggy

00:50:56.620 joining

00:50:57.360 a knitting

00:50:57.780 circle

00:50:58.280 being called

00:50:59.180 ma'am

00:50:59.660 having

00:51:00.200 bubble gum

00:51:01.080 blowing

00:51:01.420 contests

00:51:02.040 with girls

00:51:02.680 wearing

00:51:03.360 clip-on

00:51:04.000 earrings

00:51:04.440 taking

00:51:04.980 birth

00:51:05.300 control

00:51:05.620 pills

00:51:05.980 having

00:51:06.680 a

00:51:07.000 pap

00:51:07.440 smear

00:51:08.040 test

00:51:08.760 and so

00:51:09.960 on

00:51:10.300 and then

00:51:10.900 you go

00:51:11.140 on

00:51:11.340 to say

00:51:11.780 they

00:51:12.660 often

00:51:13.080 eroticize

00:51:14.000 aspects

00:51:14.540 of

00:51:14.820 womanhood

00:51:15.460 that

00:51:16.000 most

00:51:16.260 women 1.00

00:51:16.500 dislike

00:51:16.960 such

00:51:17.260 as

00:51:17.540 menstruation

00:51:18.620 undergoing

00:51:19.380 intimate

00:51:20.120 medical

00:51:20.620 examinations

00:51:21.600 experiencing

00:51:22.700 sexism

00:51:23.980 or wearing

00:51:25.160 uncomfortable

00:51:25.900 clothes

00:51:26.860 can I tell

00:51:28.000 you something

00:51:28.420 I'm going

00:51:29.080 to confess

00:51:29.480 something

00:51:29.700 to you

00:51:29.940 Helen

00:51:30.140 somebody

00:51:31.120 I know

00:51:31.700 suddenly

00:51:33.340 I don't

00:51:33.660 see this

00:51:33.960 person

00:51:34.200 often

00:51:34.680 but they're

00:51:35.060 in my

00:51:35.440 circle

00:51:35.860 is a

00:51:37.140 man

00:51:37.420 who

00:51:37.820 transitioned

00:51:38.340 quote unquote

00:51:38.880 to female 0.86

00:51:39.640 and I

00:51:41.100 saw this

00:51:41.540 person

00:51:41.880 I was

00:51:42.280 shocked

00:51:42.520 to see

00:51:42.840 that they

00:51:43.300 were now

00:51:43.680 going around

00:51:44.380 as a

00:51:44.620 woman 0.99

00:51:44.800 trying to

00:51:45.260 be

00:51:45.420 and this

00:51:46.440 person

00:51:46.920 went off

00:51:47.940 to me

00:51:48.360 about how

00:51:49.300 he'd already

00:51:51.040 been me

00:51:51.580 to

00:51:51.820 how some

00:51:53.460 man had

00:51:53.900 already

00:51:54.160 tried to

00:51:54.900 harass him

00:51:55.680 and grab

00:51:56.560 his

00:51:56.740 non-existent

00:51:57.400 breasts

00:51:57.900 I'm thinking

00:51:59.200 to myself

00:51:59.640 oh my god

00:52:00.520 this is such

00:52:01.180 a load

00:52:01.740 of crap

00:52:02.560 I mean

00:52:03.340 I was polite

00:52:04.220 to this

00:52:04.560 person

00:52:04.880 but all

00:52:05.660 I could

00:52:05.880 think was

00:52:06.240 what on

00:52:07.000 earth is

00:52:07.400 going on

00:52:07.900 here

00:52:08.120 right

00:52:08.360 what is

00:52:08.740 and when

00:52:09.420 I read

00:52:09.880 this

00:52:10.220 I was

00:52:10.560 like

00:52:10.780 I get

00:52:12.280 it

00:52:12.440 it's

00:52:12.680 part

00:52:13.040 of

00:52:13.200 it

00:52:14.100 absolutely

00:52:16.260 I mean

00:52:17.120 you know

00:52:18.460 we've both

00:52:19.340 been young

00:52:19.840 women 1.00

00:52:20.080 and young

00:52:20.440 women can 1.00

00:52:20.860 be very

00:52:21.200 naive

00:52:21.520 I think

00:52:21.900 we are

00:52:22.220 naive

00:52:22.540 about

00:52:23.020 what I

00:52:23.900 tend to

00:52:24.260 think of

00:52:24.540 as men

00:52:24.880 and their

00:52:25.140 bullshit

00:52:25.440 like

00:52:26.600 you learn

00:52:27.820 as you

00:52:28.040 get older

00:52:28.480 and of

00:52:28.960 course

00:52:29.120 there's

00:52:29.300 women 1.00

00:52:29.480 and their

00:52:29.720 bullshit

00:52:29.980 I always

00:52:30.460 have to

00:52:30.720 say

00:52:31.000 I'm

00:52:31.240 not

00:52:31.420 anti-men

00:52:32.100 but there

00:52:32.880 is a

00:52:33.260 specific

00:52:33.640 category

00:52:34.180 of men

00:52:34.660 and their

00:52:34.940 bullshit

00:52:35.280 and one

00:52:36.520 of those

00:52:37.040 for this

00:52:37.580 particular

00:52:37.940 group of

00:52:38.460 men

00:52:38.720 it's

00:52:39.540 I want

00:52:41.000 to join

00:52:41.340 absolutely

00:52:41.760 everything

00:52:42.080 that's

00:52:42.260 for women

00:52:42.500 I too

00:52:42.880 get menstrual

00:52:43.500 cramps

00:52:43.820 you'd be

00:52:44.100 amazed how

00:52:44.740 many trans

00:52:45.400 women insist 1.00

00:52:46.040 that they

00:52:46.480 get menstrual

00:52:47.100 cramps and

00:52:47.580 that it's

00:52:47.840 caused by the

00:52:48.400 hormones the

00:52:48.920 cross-sex

00:52:49.280 hormones they're 0.99

00:52:49.840 taking

00:52:50.140 you can't have

00:52:51.320 menstrual cramps

00:52:51.920 if you don't

00:52:52.300 have a uterus

00:52:52.760 because it's

00:52:53.180 the uterus

00:52:53.600 that's cramping

00:52:54.280 it's so obvious

00:52:56.180 but it turns

00:52:57.160 them on

00:52:57.640 they're getting

00:52:58.180 off on this

00:52:59.040 and there's

00:52:59.880 young women

00:53:00.340 saying things

00:53:00.900 like you can

00:53:01.500 pee next to

00:53:02.320 me

00:53:02.640 they just

00:53:03.240 want to

00:53:03.720 pee

00:53:04.160 I'm fine

00:53:05.500 with this

00:53:06.100 you know

00:53:06.380 they're doing

00:53:06.700 the whole

00:53:07.000 be kind

00:53:07.640 bullshit

00:53:08.240 that women 0.97

00:53:08.780 are indoctrinated

00:53:10.200 into and that

00:53:10.820 women get harassed 0.99

00:53:11.600 if we don't go

00:53:12.100 along with

00:53:12.640 but they're also

00:53:13.520 very very naive

00:53:14.660 like as you get

00:53:15.460 older you know

00:53:16.680 that more of what

00:53:17.560 animates men

00:53:18.400 than you thought

00:53:19.120 ever when you

00:53:19.700 were in your

00:53:20.000 teens

00:53:20.440 it's sex

00:53:22.340 these men are

00:53:23.100 getting off on it

00:53:23.960 there's

00:53:25.300 we pulled a

00:53:25.940 couple of

00:53:26.200 examples of

00:53:27.060 these trans

00:53:28.200 activists in the

00:53:28.900 news on

00:53:29.460 tiktok and so

00:53:30.180 on but again

00:53:31.220 it's offensive

00:53:32.440 when you hear

00:53:32.960 it but when

00:53:33.680 you when you

00:53:34.780 hear it

00:53:35.220 understanding what

00:53:36.220 I just read

00:53:36.840 from your book

00:53:37.460 it takes on a

00:53:39.260 different significance

00:53:39.940 it's it's

00:53:40.860 exposing them

00:53:42.580 I think as

00:53:43.300 autogynophiles

00:53:44.060 here's one

00:53:45.440 where there's

00:53:47.420 a this guy

00:53:48.240 fantasizing about

00:53:50.060 all things that

00:53:51.160 only women can 1.00

00:53:51.900 do after the

00:53:53.500 alleged uterus

00:53:54.980 transplant he

00:53:55.820 wants listen to

00:53:56.520 this not three

00:53:57.260 the first

00:53:59.620 trans woman to

00:54:00.980 have a

00:54:01.560 successful uterus

00:54:02.560 transplant

00:54:03.180 ovaries and

00:54:05.040 eggs included

00:54:05.640 and I want to

00:54:08.340 be the first

00:54:09.440 trans woman to

00:54:10.580 have an

00:54:11.260 abortion

00:54:11.580 I will let a 0.98

00:54:15.800 doctor who has

00:54:16.920 successfully

00:54:17.540 transplanted a

00:54:18.740 uterine complex

00:54:19.480 before cut the

00:54:20.760 organs out of a

00:54:21.740 willing healthy

00:54:22.940 trans masculine

00:54:24.160 donor place

00:54:26.260 them in my

00:54:27.340 body I will

00:54:29.200 devote myself

00:54:30.300 heart and soul

00:54:31.760 to their

00:54:32.500 aftercare I

00:54:35.620 will have as

00:54:37.420 much gay sex 0.99

00:54:38.660 as it takes

00:54:39.940 with as many

00:54:41.380 trans women as

00:54:42.880 it takes and

00:54:45.040 let the

00:54:46.020 trans phobes and

00:54:47.380 homophobes scratch

00:54:49.080 their heads

00:54:49.800 wondering what

00:54:51.840 to make of

00:54:52.380 it and I

00:54:54.620 want to be

00:54:56.220 the first

00:54:57.500 trans woman to

00:54:58.980 have an

00:55:00.000 abortion

00:55:00.400 my god Helen

00:55:03.280 this is what

00:55:04.460 we're supposed to

00:55:05.040 respect and be

00:55:05.880 inclusive of and

00:55:06.620 allow into our

00:55:07.360 little girls

00:55:07.820 bathrooms I

00:55:08.940 don't think so

00:55:09.660 I mean I look

00:55:11.520 at that and I

00:55:12.000 think I want to

00:55:12.580 say to every

00:55:13.200 woman who goes 0.99

00:55:13.900 along with this

00:55:14.440 have you no

00:55:15.280 self-respect

00:55:16.380 like do you not

00:55:18.600 know what this

00:55:19.180 man is doing

00:55:20.000 he's mocking

00:55:20.920 you he's using

00:55:22.360 you as a

00:55:22.800 masturbatory prop

00:55:24.040 and I'm not

00:55:25.720 scratching my

00:55:26.340 head over this

00:55:27.080 I can see what

00:55:27.840 he's doing and

00:55:28.900 I'm saying no

00:55:29.580 shove off stay

00:55:31.260 out go back to

00:55:32.260 the hole that

00:55:32.760 you belong in

00:55:33.400 go back and have

00:55:34.560 your horrible

00:55:35.000 little fantasies

00:55:35.800 and write them

00:55:36.300 up for other

00:55:36.760 people who have

00:55:37.260 similar horrible

00:55:37.820 little fantasies

00:55:38.740 but I have some

00:55:40.300 self-respect and

00:55:41.560 I say no to

00:55:42.180 that

00:55:42.460 yes it's it's

00:55:44.420 definitely a no

00:55:45.260 there's another

00:55:45.980 person who was in

00:55:47.400 the news this

00:55:47.980 week on online

00:55:49.040 I tweeted this

00:55:50.360 out because just

00:55:51.400 the sense of

00:55:52.220 entitlement makes

00:55:53.640 my blood boil it

00:55:54.580 really does make

00:55:55.240 my stop my spine

00:55:56.320 stiffen and makes

00:55:57.780 me resolve as you

00:55:59.180 say let them speak

00:55:59.960 you know even more

00:56:01.200 than I had to

00:56:02.120 fight here's

00:56:03.480 stop for

00:56:04.360 this is what I

00:56:06.580 mean when the

00:56:07.460 transphobia just

00:56:08.300 comes out the

00:56:09.780 audacity and just

00:56:11.120 the the the

00:56:12.540 arrogance for

00:56:13.540 cis women to 0.94

00:56:14.440 believe that they

00:56:15.500 own periods that

00:56:17.360 they own

00:56:18.080 womanhood you

00:56:19.800 don't okay you

00:56:21.300 don't own

00:56:21.860 periods you

00:56:22.760 don't own

00:56:23.300 womanhood you

00:56:24.180 experience both

00:56:25.320 and both are

00:56:26.380 different for

00:56:27.060 every person but

00:56:28.460 as a cis woman it

00:56:29.540 doesn't belong to

00:56:30.400 you so you can't

00:56:31.160 gatekeep it like

00:56:32.480 hello

00:56:33.480 it's so bizarre and

00:56:36.800 honestly only a man

00:56:38.160 would want access to

00:56:39.520 our period like most

00:56:41.140 women are like it's a 1.00

00:56:42.000 pain in the ass it's 0.93

00:56:43.300 something that's

00:56:43.860 necessary if you want

00:56:44.780 to have children and

00:56:45.480 if you actually are

00:56:46.080 but like only a man

00:56:47.740 would be fantasizing

00:56:48.800 about it and thinking

00:56:49.900 that we're running

00:56:50.520 around you know

00:56:51.540 thinking about our

00:56:52.520 periods and making

00:56:53.180 sure everybody knows

00:56:53.880 we own them yes we

00:56:55.080 are the only ones who

00:56:55.640 can have them but

00:56:56.760 we're not possessive

00:56:57.660 over them we're not

00:56:58.460 dreaming about them

00:56:59.560 all day this is a

00:57:00.960 man yeah the

00:57:02.480 experience of wishing

00:57:03.600 that you were a

00:57:04.440 woman or believing

00:57:05.400 that you were meant

00:57:06.160 to be a woman or

00:57:07.080 thinking there's a

00:57:07.760 woman inside these 0.91

00:57:08.440 are exclusively male

00:57:10.020 experiences I just

00:57:11.760 am a woman I don't

00:57:13.460 identify as a woman I

00:57:14.740 don't feel like I am

00:57:15.820 a woman I just am

00:57:16.800 one and there's

00:57:17.880 nothing I can do to

00:57:18.780 be cast out of that

00:57:19.840 group you know I

00:57:21.420 can't behave in a

00:57:22.480 way that means that

00:57:23.400 I'm no longer a

00:57:24.060 woman anything I do

00:57:25.220 is by definition a

00:57:26.580 thing that a woman 1.00

00:57:27.100 does and anything

00:57:28.320 that man does is by

00:57:29.920 definition a

00:57:30.900 thing that a man

00:57:31.440 does and in his

00:57:32.520 arrogance his

00:57:33.740 entitlement and

00:57:35.180 his frankly the

00:57:36.160 weirdness of his

00:57:37.040 sexual fantasies these

00:57:38.480 are extremely male

00:57:39.740 things women don't 1.00

00:57:40.760 sound like that they

00:57:41.740 don't talk like that

00:57:42.880 they don't claim

00:57:44.100 ownership of things

00:57:45.220 that aren't there as

00:57:46.140 to anything like the

00:57:46.860 same extent that men

00:57:47.780 do in every word he

00:57:49.380 reveals himself as a

00:57:50.540 man yeah that's right

00:57:52.300 and it's I thought it

00:57:53.600 was particularly

00:57:54.100 interesting that you

00:57:55.300 mentioned in here

00:57:56.560 citing again Anne 0.82

00:57:57.740 Lawrence's research

00:57:58.460 having a pap smear

00:58:00.140 we've talked on the

00:58:01.760 show before about

00:58:02.700 this other trans 0.94

00:58:03.680 person who said when

00:58:05.300 he goes to his

00:58:06.040 gynecologist and I

00:58:07.840 took real issue with

00:58:08.700 it's like all right

00:58:09.400 you don't have a

00:58:10.520 gynecologist you don't 0.99

00:58:11.620 have a vagina you have 1.00

00:58:12.700 a hole at best that a

00:58:13.840 surgeon created that

00:58:14.780 does not require a

00:58:15.580 gynecologist care get

00:58:16.880 out of my gynecologist 0.54

00:58:17.720 office it takes long

00:58:18.780 enough to get in for

00:58:19.440 those appointments but

00:58:20.640 I really don't want to

00:58:21.340 sit in the gynecologist 0.99

00:58:22.080 waiting room or in we've

00:58:23.620 talked about this before

00:58:24.320 the mammogram waiting

00:58:25.300 room which is a very

00:58:26.560 intimate spot for women

00:58:27.680 where they have fears

00:58:29.200 and you know concerns

00:58:30.480 of course you've got to

00:58:31.320 sit there wondering God

00:58:32.480 I know what I'm I know

00:58:33.480 what they're checking

00:58:33.940 for and is it going to

00:58:35.800 come out the way I

00:58:36.300 want to do I really

00:58:37.580 don't want to sit next

00:58:38.280 to a man who's getting

00:58:39.700 off who's got an

00:58:40.960 erection under his robe

00:58:42.380 because he's sitting

00:58:43.660 there having a female 0.99

00:58:44.560 experience next to me

00:58:46.460 and my fellow women

00:58:47.420 while we're worried

00:58:48.080 about cancer or

00:58:49.340 endometriosis or you

00:58:51.620 know an unplanned

00:58:52.260 pregnancy or all any of

00:58:53.560 the things that we worry

00:58:54.280 about in these

00:58:54.760 particular offices I'm

00:58:56.560 and the two worst

00:58:57.780 things I would say

00:58:58.520 that people you know

00:58:59.520 you and I are probably

00:59:00.280 hopefully I certainly am

00:59:01.540 lucky enough not to have

00:59:02.540 had this experience but

00:59:03.720 when you read sissy porn 0.63

00:59:05.740 which is the porn that

00:59:06.780 these men write for each

00:59:07.740 other and where they

00:59:09.220 they talk about being

00:59:10.240 forcibly turned into

00:59:11.360 women forcibly castrated

00:59:12.600 and dressed as women

00:59:13.600 and treated and demeaned

00:59:14.780 as if they're women and 1.00

00:59:15.800 you know they talk about

00:59:16.860 the fantasy of going to

00:59:18.340 the gynecologist or

00:59:19.500 whatever there's also a

00:59:21.380 fantasy of being a rape 0.99

00:59:22.540 victim and these men

00:59:24.620 really do go to spaces

00:59:26.480 that were meant only for

00:59:28.460 women and for where 0.99

00:59:29.400 women talk about the 1.00

00:59:30.400 most intimate things

00:59:31.520 so I haven't had to use

00:59:33.440 rape crisis services

00:59:34.460 which I'm very grateful

00:59:35.280 for but I have talked to

00:59:36.440 a lot of women who have 1.00

00:59:37.420 and when you were in

00:59:39.180 these spaces often they

00:59:40.460 will say that no men are

00:59:41.760 allowed not even as

00:59:42.980 plumbers not even as

00:59:44.220 maintenance men they will

00:59:45.540 only have female

00:59:46.220 journalists visit because

00:59:47.780 some of the women are so 1.00

00:59:48.740 traumatized that even the

00:59:50.100 sound of a male voice can

00:59:51.440 trigger their trauma so

00:59:53.340 they have these women only 1.00

00:59:54.140 spaces where women can 1.00

00:59:55.300 talk about all the

00:59:56.260 experiences that brought

00:59:57.460 them to the place where

00:59:58.440 they were raped because 0.95

00:59:59.980 many women who were 1.00

01:00:00.860 raped had long histories of 1.00

01:00:02.700 victimization they were

01:00:04.280 in care or they were

01:00:05.260 abused as children or they

01:00:06.740 ended up in a very toxic

01:00:07.660 relationship with the man

01:00:08.820 who pimped them out that

01:00:09.840 sort of thing and they

01:00:11.420 have women only spaces to 1.00

01:00:12.720 talk about these things and

01:00:13.900 the fact the tragic fact is

01:00:16.300 that some of these men who

01:00:17.620 get off on the idea of

01:00:18.720 being women get off on the 1.00

01:00:20.440 idea of being raped and get

01:00:22.000 off on the idea of sitting

01:00:23.120 in on these sessions so

01:00:24.660 it's not just that we're

01:00:25.960 allowing men into these

01:00:27.060 spaces we're allowing men 0.96

01:00:28.820 who have a neurotic

01:00:29.500 fixation on being in these

01:00:30.840 spaces to be in them we

01:00:32.560 are re-traumatizing rape

01:00:34.120 victims by doing this and

01:00:36.660 the second thing I was

01:00:37.340 going to say is there are

01:00:38.860 lots of trans people who

01:00:40.160 say there is no such thing

01:00:41.320 as autogynephilia they'll

01:00:42.540 say that it was just

01:00:43.260 invented well Ray Blanchard

01:00:44.820 was an excellent sexologist

01:00:45.980 and he did very good

01:00:46.820 research anyone who wants

01:00:47.940 can read it but all you

01:00:49.620 have to do I don't advise

01:00:51.160 this if you've got a

01:00:52.300 sensitive stomach at all

01:00:53.540 but I did do it because I

01:00:54.840 had to for my book is go

01:00:56.940 on Amazon and look up

01:00:58.880 sissy porn and you will 1.00

01:01:00.840 find books that are even

01:01:01.740 free they're self-authored

01:01:03.280 books men are writing these

01:01:04.880 for the fun of it they're

01:01:05.640 not writing it to make

01:01:06.380 money and just see what

01:01:08.220 these men are writing

01:01:08.880 about and what they're

01:01:09.600 fantasizing about and you

01:01:11.680 know it is not something

01:01:12.680 that any woman any woman 0.64

01:01:14.600 is fantasizing about or

01:01:15.920 wants to experience it's

01:01:17.560 an exclusively male

01:01:18.940 phenomenon I've said it

01:01:21.120 before I'll say it again

01:01:21.960 find your voices find your

01:01:24.320 voices it's a it's an

01:01:26.680 existential crisis at this

01:01:28.220 point for women for women 0.97

01:01:29.860 for womanhood we've got to 1.00

01:01:33.420 talk about children let's

01:01:34.660 spend time on that the book

01:01:35.780 does a great job of exposing

01:01:37.820 what's happening the capture

01:01:39.780 of the medical industry the

01:01:42.120 American Academy of

01:01:43.480 Pediatrics shame on them shame 0.89

01:01:46.120 on them the American Medical

01:01:47.360 Association shame on them the

01:01:49.660 money these doctors are

01:01:50.960 making off of these

01:01:52.340 procedures yes at the adult

01:01:53.620 level but also at the

01:01:55.000 adolescent level and the

01:01:57.520 misinformation that is

01:01:58.720 getting spewed by groups like

01:02:00.340 the endocrinologists of

01:02:02.240 America to the point where 0.60

01:02:03.340 now endocrinologists in other

01:02:05.300 countries and doctors in

01:02:06.600 other countries are mocking

01:02:08.620 us are openly penning pieces

01:02:10.500 in the Wall Street Journal and

01:02:11.500 elsewhere saying what's wrong

01:02:13.000 with America we have realized

01:02:15.180 you don't trans kids you 1.00

01:02:17.240 don't medicalize them with

01:02:18.780 puberty blockers and

01:02:19.660 cross gender hormones you 0.92

01:02:21.440 certainly don't perform

01:02:22.380 surgeries on them why is

01:02:24.460 America the most radical of

01:02:26.580 all Helen such a good

01:02:28.920 question isn't it I mean one

01:02:30.460 answer is just that you were

01:02:31.340 patient zero this is where it

01:02:33.260 started so you know the the

01:02:36.620 idea of transitioning people 0.98

01:02:38.340 was something that came about

01:02:39.960 in 1920s Germany but then of

01:02:42.000 course there was the second

01:02:42.760 world war and the the clinic

01:02:45.280 where the very first trans

01:02:46.620 patients or the first the

01:02:48.280 first patients were given

01:02:49.060 what you might think of as

01:02:49.880 early rather brutal trans 1.00

01:02:51.380 surgery and was actually

01:02:53.140 burned down by the Nazis

01:02:54.240 because it was run by a gay 0.99

01:02:55.400 Jewish man but anyway one of 0.99

01:02:57.580 the guys who was connected

01:02:58.460 to that movement Harry

01:02:59.600 Benjamin went to America

01:03:00.720 after the second world war and

01:03:02.460 he started out there and for

01:03:03.720 some decades he was kind of a

01:03:05.040 lone voice talking about how

01:03:07.460 gender is socially constructed

01:03:09.360 and that everybody could be

01:03:10.660 turned into a boy or a girl

01:03:11.880 just by what they were

01:03:12.640 brought up in the first two

01:03:13.580 years and he was the person

01:03:15.460 who commissioned the first

01:03:16.620 sex change surgeries again

01:03:18.420 nobody can change sex that 0.98

01:03:19.920 was just a shorthand and so

01:03:22.380 you know it all grew up in

01:03:23.540 America and then it was 0.83

01:03:24.480 American campuses as well that

01:03:26.800 developed queer theory in the

01:03:28.480 1990s according to which I

01:03:30.540 mean queer theory is just too 0.97

01:03:32.020 tedious to spend any time on but

01:03:33.500 basically it's like your rule

01:03:35.120 of thumb about trans if you just

01:03:36.820 say not or fake instead of

01:03:38.260 trans you get the right answer 0.99

01:03:39.440 queer theory is like everything 0.99

01:03:40.900 it said it says everything bad

01:03:42.120 is good black is white up is

01:03:43.940 down back is front inside is

01:03:45.940 out so queer theory just says 0.77

01:03:47.980 that nothing is real and that

01:03:49.340 everything is socially

01:03:50.000 constructed and it's all just

01:03:51.280 words and it looks smart

01:03:53.480 because it's so all

01:03:54.600 counterintuitive and that

01:03:56.440 really came out of American

01:03:57.560 campuses in the 1990s and

01:03:59.100 2000s and the way that I think

01:04:00.660 of it is these two strands this

01:04:02.640 medical transition and this queer 0.99

01:04:05.240 theory everything is words

01:04:07.120 everything is discourse they

01:04:09.380 joined and they had a horrible

01:04:10.620 little love child which in the

01:04:12.620 2010s exploded in places like

01:04:15.180 tumblr and created a social

01:04:16.720 contagion the like of which

01:04:17.900 nobody has ever seen before and

01:04:20.360 then the last thing I would say

01:04:21.520 about America is because of your

01:04:23.180 political polarization most

01:04:25.500 Americans take all their 1.00

01:04:27.120 political opinions as a package

01:04:28.820 they either think that everything

01:04:30.660 Republicans do and say is evil

01:04:32.520 and everything Democrats do and

01:04:34.120 say is right or they think vice

01:04:35.600 versa and so you know

01:04:37.760 unfortunately the Democratic

01:04:39.820 Party has fallen to this now

01:04:41.640 again it was lobbied you know

01:04:43.320 it's in bed with Big Pharma it's

01:04:45.460 in bed with the lawyers unions and

01:04:47.100 groups it's the group that was it's

01:04:50.560 the party that was very easy to

01:04:51.780 lobby by people like the ACLU and

01:04:53.520 HRC but also the people who had

01:04:56.300 religious and sort of conservative

01:04:58.540 traditionalist objections to all

01:05:00.360 of this were in the Republican

01:05:01.220 Party so a lot of basically well

01:05:04.460 meaning Democrats think you know oh

01:05:06.800 well the Republicans are against

01:05:07.880 childhood transition so I must be

01:05:09.480 for it the Republicans think

01:05:11.180 trans women aren't women so I 0.99

01:05:12.660 think they are and other

01:05:14.280 countries aren't as polarized as

01:05:15.700 you are we're able to think a bit

01:05:17.000 more critically not much more

01:05:18.660 critically a bit right we

01:05:21.840 mentioned Rachel Levine earlier a

01:05:23.420 man who lived his whole life as a

01:05:24.940 man and then in his 50s declared

01:05:26.640 that he was a woman and now he's

01:05:27.880 calling himself the first female

01:05:29.480 admiral to ever work for HHS all of

01:05:32.360 which is a lie still a man he's just

01:05:33.900 dressing as a woman now and he gave

01:05:36.280 an extraordinary interview to ABC

01:05:37.740 just this past weekend I think it was

01:05:39.720 in this past week and had the

01:05:41.880 following assertions he did not

01:05:43.620 trans as a child he married a woman 0.67

01:05:46.180 he had children he earlier is on

01:05:47.780 record as saying he's glad that he

01:05:49.640 waited because he wouldn't have had

01:05:50.820 his children if he had gone trans

01:05:52.720 before he did but now a bit of

01:05:55.820 change in his messaging he'd love for

01:05:57.760 your kids or mine to stop puberty

01:06:00.040 and cross sex with all these 0.57

01:06:02.640 procedures listen to Rachel Levine

01:06:04.380 sought one the treatment options

01:06:07.340 for gender affirming care for

01:06:08.880 transgender youth really are

01:06:11.060 evidence-based what would you say to

01:06:13.020 folks who think that they're being

01:06:14.680 reasonable by saying why can't

01:06:16.220 children just wait till they're 18 0.98

01:06:17.580 adolescence is hard and puberty is

01:06:19.840 hard what if you're going through the

01:06:21.740 wrong puberty what if you inside feel

01:06:25.240 that you are female but now you're

01:06:27.860 going through a male puberty the 0.98

01:06:29.860 argument is well they're too young to

01:06:32.500 know I want to make it clear that for

01:06:34.620 pre-pubertal children there are no 0.98

01:06:36.520 medical procedures done the standard of

01:06:40.260 care allows them to explore that with

01:06:43.120 therapy when you speak out against these

01:06:46.020 bills what do you cite as the harm well

01:06:49.740 gender-affirming care is medical care

01:06:51.620 gender-affirming care is mental health

01:06:53.820 care gender-affirming care is

01:06:55.860 literally suicide prevention care

01:06:57.820 we'll get to the suicide claim but

01:07:01.180 how take on Helen that pre-pubertal 1.00

01:07:04.740 children are not given any medical

01:07:08.380 procedures or care that's that's not

01:07:12.400 true I really hate everything about

01:07:15.240 that interview I think every single

01:07:16.980 sentence that Rachel Levine said is 0.97

01:07:19.100 false and the fact that he is asking

01:07:23.340 for children or saying that children

01:07:25.420 should be given something that he did

01:07:26.760 not have himself why is he doing that

01:07:29.660 you know what about his own identity

01:07:31.900 requires him to use children as child 0.72

01:07:33.760 sacrifices like this I mean you know I

01:07:37.780 was brought up Catholic I am no longer

01:07:39.700 a believer but I still I turn to the

01:07:41.440 words of the Bible when I see things

01:07:42.920 like that and I say better that you tie a

01:07:46.480 millstone around your neck and cast

01:07:48.240 yourself into the sea than that you harm 0.86

01:07:50.000 children like this it's disgusting

01:07:52.480 absolutely disgusting to be harming

01:07:55.760 children in order to prop up and

01:07:57.880 validate adult identities and that's

01:07:59.780 what I am seeing there right rant over

01:08:01.980 and I'll answer your actual question

01:08:03.340 so what what they do is they use a

01:08:07.400 bunch of half truths and outright

01:08:09.840 deceptions and assertions without any

01:08:12.300 evidence and they stitch it together to

01:08:14.220 say okay first nobody's doing

01:08:16.820 irreversible things to prepubescent

01:08:18.560 children and what they're ignoring is

01:08:20.920 what we know about childhood

01:08:22.060 development which is that if you tell a

01:08:24.800 little boy who ardently wishes that he

01:08:26.680 was really a girl that yes he can be a

01:08:28.960 girl and you're going to call him a

01:08:30.740 girl's name tell everybody that he's a 1.00

01:08:32.560 girl dress him in girls clothes you're 1.00

01:08:34.860 going to get away with it because you

01:08:36.040 can turn little boys into something that

01:08:37.380 looks like little girls because 0.96

01:08:38.380 prepubescent children you know it's

01:08:40.260 easy to present them as a member of the

01:08:41.900 opposite sex that kid gets what he wants 0.77

01:08:44.040 he gets to play with the toys that he

01:08:45.660 wanted that you said to him weren't

01:08:47.080 suitable for boys like why the hell 0.97

01:08:48.440 didn't you just say it's fine you can

01:08:49.780 play with Barbie you're a boy but you

01:08:51.200 can play with Barbie anyway then

01:08:53.820 puberty approaches what's that child

01:08:56.120 going to do going to go like all right

01:08:57.640 fine I'm going to grow hair on my chest

01:08:59.000 and my voice is going to break and I'm

01:09:00.140 going to shoot up and you know I'm

01:09:02.060 just going to look like a boy no you've

01:09:03.920 been pretending for the past five

01:09:05.140 years that he's really a girl you've

01:09:06.940 put him on a path that's very very hard

01:09:08.720 to get off even if technically you

01:09:11.200 haven't done something irreversible

01:09:12.940 then the next lie they say is that

01:09:15.200 puberty blockers are reversible that

01:09:17.040 they're just a pause button that they

01:09:18.380 just give you time to think what they

01:09:20.260 actually do we know this now is they

01:09:22.520 lock in the social transition children 0.94

01:09:25.860 who go on puberty blockers almost all

01:09:27.760 like 98% go on to cross-sex hormones so

01:09:31.600 all so they are absolutely not a pause

01:09:33.340 button and they're probably bad for you

01:09:34.820 in themselves I mean you've got

01:09:36.860 children I've got children puberty is a

01:09:38.480 really special time so much changes in a

01:09:40.980 child in puberty it's actually you know

01:09:43.700 it's almost awe-inspiring I only have

01:09:45.480 boys and watching them go through that

01:09:47.300 what looks like that fast forward video

01:09:49.380 of the tree shooting up you know it's

01:09:51.200 amazing I look at it and I think wow you

01:09:53.680 know human biology is incredible look

01:09:55.400 what's happened a child is turning into

01:09:57.420 a man and these wicked wicked people want 1.00

01:10:00.520 to interfere with that process and it

01:10:03.060 harms your brain it harms all sorts of

01:10:05.180 things we probably don't know all the

01:10:06.380 ways that it harms you but it puts you on

01:10:08.480 a path to cross-sex hormones and the 0.99

01:10:10.640 last thing that I'm going to say about

01:10:12.040 this is that if you stop a child's

01:10:15.160 puberty right at the beginning of it

01:10:16.580 that's starting that's stopping the

01:10:18.040 child before the child goes through any

01:10:20.280 pubertal development so the little boy's

01:10:21.840 penis is tiny he's not getting erections

01:10:24.380 he's not getting wet dreams the girl

01:10:26.500 hasn't become fully orgasmic if it's a

01:10:28.220 girl and you put them on this puberty 0.98

01:10:30.240 blocker and then they go straight on to

01:10:31.780 cross-sex hormones you're not just

01:10:33.440 creating somebody who might look like a

01:10:35.400 member of the opposite sex when they've 1.00

01:10:36.680 got no clothes on you're creating somebody

01:10:39.600 who is kind of asexual somebody who is

01:10:41.940 not going to have normal orgasms someone

01:10:44.140 who is not just infertile but sterile you're 0.99

01:10:49.220 creating a human being who can never be a

01:10:51.980 normal adult and when that little boy his

01:10:54.760 penis will never become a full-sized penis

01:10:56.580 if you go if you go down this path I mean it

01:10:59.580 is a human rights abuse of the sort that we

01:11:02.160 look back on lobotomies and we say how

01:11:04.020 did that ever happen we're doing like

01:11:06.440 sex lobotomies and we're doing them on 0.99

01:11:08.600 children and we're doing them probably to

01:11:11.120 tens of thousands of children invisibly

01:11:13.120 in clinics all over America and all over

01:11:15.820 the English-speaking world and it is the 0.99

01:11:18.420 medical scandal of the 21st century and

01:11:21.280 the human rights abuse of the developed 0.95

01:11:23.360 world of the 21st century

01:11:24.900 yes this is why I mean honestly I'm

01:11:27.140 becoming a single-issue voter I will

01:11:28.720 never vote for somebody who is who

01:11:30.060 supports this this is a this is a black

01:11:33.200 and white issue there is no support of

01:11:34.980 this or you're out I will say even on the

01:11:39.060 Republican side we've seen too much

01:11:40.660 wavering Tucker Carlson sat in Iowa with

01:11:43.600 the GOP field all but Trump and had an

01:11:47.200 extraordinary exchange with the former

01:11:49.220 governor of Arkansas Asa Hutchinson

01:11:51.020 Arkansas that is not Connecticut that's

01:11:53.720 not New York that's not California and he

01:11:56.200 rejected a bill that would have banned

01:11:59.640 these medical procedures for minors he

01:12:02.340 tried to get out of the accountability

01:12:04.340 for that for trying to draw a distinction

01:12:06.880 between surgical procedures and these

01:12:09.560 cross-gender hormones which as you just

01:12:11.600 point out no no scalpel is required to

01:12:15.200 make these kids infertile for life make 0.98

01:12:17.420 them unable to achieve sexual climax to 0.52

01:12:20.080 render them asexual the real question 0.99

01:12:22.640 about whether they could even have sex

01:12:24.140 after some of these things so that he

01:12:27.420 wants to draw the distinction but listen

01:12:28.920 to how it went when Tucker asked him

01:12:30.920 about his rejection of that bill

01:12:32.300 if there would have been a bill that

01:12:35.340 said you should not ever have

01:12:39.180 transgender surgery as a minor I would

01:12:42.000 sign that admit because no parent should

01:12:44.260 be able to consent to that permanent

01:12:46.860 change but this bill did go too far it

01:12:50.140 was unconstitutional it interfered with

01:12:52.220 parents and so I sided with parents on that

01:12:55.660 bill in managing the most sensitive issue

01:12:59.000 that a parent can face and I believe in a

01:13:02.420 limited role of government and so you know

01:13:04.880 if I don't think that California ought to be

01:13:07.820 able to tell parents you need to have gender

01:13:11.240 affirming care for the children the

01:13:13.400 government should not do that and in the

01:13:16.160 same way let's keep the government out of

01:13:19.500 it unless it's that extreme case and let's

01:13:22.160 let parents guide the children I stayed with

01:13:25.340 parents

01:13:25.780 what do you make of that Helen so I don't 0.93

01:13:30.000 see an evil speech there I see a misinformed

01:13:32.620 speech you know he's fallen for the

01:13:35.440 misrepresentations of the trans lobby he

01:13:37.580 thinks that these things are reversible that

01:13:40.060 they're pause buttons that nobody is doing

01:13:42.080 anything that can be cannot be undone and he

01:13:46.000 also and this is almost sweet of him he

01:13:49.400 thinks that parents are always standing up

01:13:52.040 for their children's best interests in this

01:13:53.920 now most parents are but some aren't there

01:13:57.220 are parents who are really enjoying the

01:13:59.340 whole drama and the whole I'm so great I'm

01:14:02.360 so progressive of having a trans child it's

01:14:05.380 like a sort of a status symbol in some groups

01:14:09.080 you know it's boring to have a gay child 1.00

01:14:11.160 now but it's really exciting to have a trans

01:14:13.360 child and I'm sorry to say that you know if

01:14:16.200 we said that this you know that was parents

01:14:18.560 rights to allow parents to make their

01:14:20.680 children blind or to you know cut off their

01:14:24.840 legs or inject something in their spine that

01:14:28.020 paralyzed them we wouldn't just say parents

01:14:30.060 rights he doesn't understand what he's saying

01:14:32.460 here he's saying that parents can irreversibly

01:14:34.740 harm their children up to and including the

01:14:36.860 point of sterilizing them but he doesn't know

01:14:39.100 that so people like that just we have to

01:14:41.540 inform them we have to get the word out we

01:14:43.240 have to do better journalism

01:14:44.200 yes exactly right it's a you've got these

01:14:48.580 celebrities who have come out publicly

01:14:50.360 sort of touting their trans children from

01:14:52.620 Charlize Theron to Marsha Gay Harden who

01:14:54.960 says all three of her kids are quote queer

01:14:56.700 Megan Fox was just in the news for similar 0.83

01:14:59.280 statements about her children they have no

01:15:01.740 idea what they're actually doing to their

01:15:03.780 kids and the example that they're pushing

01:15:06.020 on other people it's extremely dangerous

01:15:08.820 what you're basically saying if you submit to

01:15:10.660 this stuff is I sterilized my child I rendered 0.98

01:15:13.320 my child unable to ever achieve sexual

01:15:15.200 climax I rendered them asexual I mean how is 0.98

01:15:18.180 that something you want to run to the news

01:15:19.800 and unless they don't know either Helen I

01:15:22.180 mean unless they don't know either because

01:15:23.480 when the endocrinologists and the American

01:15:26.300 Society of Pediatrics or whatever Academy and

01:15:28.980 the American Medical Association are all saying

01:15:30.560 it's good it's actually the standard of care it's

01:15:32.680 the first line standard of care you can

01:15:35.100 understand the confusion you absolutely can

01:15:37.920 and I should say that most parents who have

01:15:40.040 children who identify as trans I don't put in

01:15:42.100 this category of you know enjoying the drama

01:15:45.080 of it I think it's a subgroup most parents who

01:15:47.900 go along with this do find it deeply distressing

01:15:50.300 and deeply and counterintuitive because they

01:15:53.340 do know in their hearts what they had as a

01:15:55.500 baby like a woman who gives birth to a boy 0.99

01:15:57.380 you've grown that baby boy inside you for nine

01:15:59.600 months or a baby girl you know what your child

01:16:02.500 is you know it in your blood it's it's your

01:16:04.460 flesh and blood and then people are telling

01:16:07.140 you that it's nothing to say that they must

01:16:08.880 be a member of the opposite sex and that you 1.00

01:16:10.420 have to just get with the program so the thing

01:16:12.880 that they do it the reason they do it above

01:16:15.040 all is that they're told that if they don't

01:16:17.160 their child might kill themselves and that is

01:16:19.520 every parent's worst nightmare this movement

01:16:22.700 engages in coercive control and emotional

01:16:25.880 blackmail it tells parents that unless they go

01:16:28.800 along with things that in their heart of hearts

01:16:30.780 they know to be wrong that they are harming

01:16:33.780 their children they're like this movement is

01:16:35.740 like the boyfriend who says if you leave me

01:16:37.780 I'll kill myself and it'll be your fault

01:16:39.380 and they are suggest selling suicide to 0.61

01:16:42.380 vulnerable children too like one thing we know

01:16:44.940 about suicide is that it's emotionally and it's

01:16:47.420 socially contagious like there's guidelines for

01:16:50.540 journalists in every country about how you

01:16:52.800 report on suicide you don't give details you

01:16:55.160 don't attribute it to any one cause you don't

01:16:57.800 present the suicide the suicidal person or the

01:17:00.180 person who committed suicide as being brave and

01:17:02.400 amazing for having done that and that's

01:17:05.020 because we know that people who are distressed

01:17:07.120 and in emotional turmoil and mental health

01:17:09.320 difficulties they read these things and then

01:17:12.220 they go and kill themselves using the same

01:17:13.700 mechanisms or they think that they'll get some

01:17:15.440 sort of admiration for doing it you know it's

01:17:17.260 very suggestible and yet a couple years ago

01:17:20.000 Anthony Bourdain and then Kate Spade right

01:17:22.400 after with a similar approach to it but yes

01:17:25.580 you're exactly right I mean it sadly it is it is a

01:17:28.120 contagion but they talk about it so loosely they

01:17:29.960 threaten it and yet your book reports on the actual

01:17:32.800 studies about the risk the suicidality of trans 0.98

01:17:36.660 people and kids like is it true that as they say

01:17:40.740 something like 48 percent of them will attempt suicide

01:17:43.240 if they don't get the quote gender affirming care

01:17:46.480 absolutely not so the best study that we have looks at the

01:17:51.580 children who are on the waiting list for the nhs clinic in

01:17:54.200 london and because the waiting list is quite long so these children are sort

01:17:57.540 of the same basically as the children who are getting the care

01:17:59.860 and they are more likely to self-harm and sadly slightly more likely to

01:18:04.600 commit suicide but it's still extremely rare for a child to kill

01:18:07.880 themselves and the um the figure is not at all

01:18:11.420 surprising because these are kids who also have a lot of other mental health

01:18:14.400 difficulties there's outsized numbers of them who

01:18:17.160 are depressed anxious self-harming eating disorders

01:18:20.280 autistic spectrum disorders and so on so those co-morbidities as doctors call

01:18:24.840 it those co-occurring conditions that totally explains why you would

01:18:28.640 expect to sadly see a slightly higher risk of suicide among these kids and the

01:18:33.180 second thing to say is there's no evidence whatsoever that allowing them to

01:18:37.000 transition helps they still have the mental health

01:18:39.920 conditions they're still autistic they're still 0.98

01:18:42.440 self-harming they're still depressed so the treatment doesn't work

01:18:46.320 yeah this is this brings me to the july 14th uh of this year wall street

01:18:53.320 journal opinion by several experts experienced professionals as they call

01:18:57.840 themselves involved in direct care for the rapidly

01:19:00.040 growing numbers of gender diverse youth uh from all over they they these

01:19:04.820 clinicians from finland the uk sweden norway belgium france switzerland

01:19:08.820 south africa and even the united states nine countries represented wrote this

01:19:12.680 opinion piece in the wall street journal a few days ago and said and it was in

01:19:17.160 response to the president of the endocrine society backing this alleged

01:19:21.680 gender affirming care all of it is a misnomer and they take issue with the

01:19:27.820 suggestion that this is anything of the sort they say he claimed that this gender

01:19:32.820 affirming care of the kind we've been discussing improves the well-being of

01:19:35.880 transgender and gender diverse people and reduces the risk of suicide they write

01:19:40.640 this claim is not supported by the best available evidence every systematic review

01:19:45.680 of evidence to date including one published in the journal of the endocrine society has

01:19:49.780 found the existence for mental health benefits of hormonal interventions interventions for

01:19:54.120 minors to be of low or very low certainty by contrast the risks are significant and include

01:20:01.540 sterility lifelong dependence on medication and the anguish of regret for this reason more and

01:20:08.860 more european countries and international professional organizations now recommend

01:20:12.120 psychotherapy rather than hormones and surgeries as the first line of treatment they go on to say

01:20:17.580 that this guy dr ham who runs the endocrine society in america his claim that gender transition reduces

01:20:22.640 suicide is contradicted by every systematic review including the one published by the endocrine society

01:20:30.920 which states we could not draw any conclusions about death by suicide they go on to say there is no

01:20:35.960 reliable evidence to suggest that hormonal transition is an effective suicide prevention measure i mean this

01:20:43.500 is so encouraging is it not to see this in the wall street journal people from all those countries

01:20:47.480 these are you know these are liberal countries you know these are it's not like i don't know it's not

01:20:52.440 like russia it's not like vladimir putin you've got the uk you got sweden norway france switzerland

01:20:58.100 all these joining together to say what are we doing

01:21:00.800 i mean it's so hard to explain isn't it except it's like a madness of crowds thing sometimes things go

01:21:07.980 so badly wrong that people can't reverse i mean the moment when somebody who has gone along with

01:21:14.780 what i've said is the worst medical scandal of the 21st century the moment they realize that they might

01:21:19.740 have been wrong is the moment that they realize that they have been complicit in a horrific human rights

01:21:24.580 abuse against children and people are very motivated never to accept that so i think some of the people

01:21:31.080 who are now most actively speaking in favor of gender affirming a so-called care for minors are

01:21:37.860 people who have step by step got themselves to a position that they would never have thought was the

01:21:43.180 right position where they when they started but now there's no way back for them because the way back

01:21:47.640 involves saying we the endocrine society recommended something that we now accept as a medical and human

01:21:53.700 right scandal so they're not going to they're you know there's just they're going to defend

01:22:00.200 themselves to the last possible breath and the last drop of blood rather than accept how culpable

01:22:04.760 they are and i heard you on peter bogosian's talking about how a lot of the people who are pushing this

01:22:10.820 whether it's inside these medical societies because the american medical association is just as bad

01:22:15.180 the american academy of pediatrics the worst again the endocrine society i mean these are terrible

01:22:20.320 they're all on the wrong side but you were saying if you it doesn't take a lot of digging to find the

01:22:25.440 people at the top of these and on similar organizations have a trans kid or have they

01:22:30.340 they have done this to their own child this is the way i think a lot of people and this is nothing

01:22:36.500 against uh folks who are pro-choice but a lot of people who are the biggest pushers of abortion had

01:22:42.080 abortions and you're you've seen something similar in this movement i think there's a very natural

01:22:49.460 human instinct to justify decisions that you've made that can't be reversed and you know it's that

01:22:56.540 thing of saying and you know such and such happened and it was the best thing that could have happened

01:22:59.880 like sometimes it's the only way that you can make sense of your life like my husband left me and i now

01:23:04.360 realize that that was the best thing that could ever have happened like we couldn't live if we didn't do

01:23:07.820 this but with the child thing it's so high stakes you've been told that the child will commit suicide

01:23:13.280 you did your due diligence you went and you looked at what all the bodies that you thought were

01:23:17.240 trustworthy charities with good names governments medical associations they all told you one thing

01:23:23.920 maybe you thought this doesn't sound right but you don't want your child to kill themselves you

01:23:27.940 made a decision it's now not reversible and so you become radicalized and you know it's not even at

01:23:34.600 the top of organizations it doesn't have to be at the top often it's that there's somebody in the

01:23:39.140 organization and nobody can now speak truth in the whole organization so there are specific people

01:23:44.980 i'm thinking of here in the uk who it's not openly known have a trans child but it is known on the

01:23:50.120 grapevine and those people are the ones who pop up all the damn time to claim that women like me 1.00

01:23:57.060 are you know dinosaurs that were the wrong side of history that trans rights are human rights they're 0.90

01:24:02.940 going to dedicate themselves to these things forever and you're like why are you so sure you

01:24:07.240 know there's nothing in your history that suggests to me that this is what you're going to be like you

01:24:10.600 know this person might be you know quite conservative have been working in some totally unrelated field

01:24:15.700 and then you find out why i guess there's a still small voice in the middle of the night that says what

01:24:21.360 if you were wrong and that's the thing you never want to listen to between that and i wanted to read

01:24:27.680 this i skipped past the end of our autogynophile discussion without reading this and i wanted to

01:24:32.640 so you've got those people trying to justify their own life choices their own decisions that are

01:24:38.180 irreversible with respect to their children and instead of owning it and trying to save everybody

01:24:43.780 else's child they want our kids to go down with them and then you've got this other group of

01:24:48.880 autogynophiles you know the men who are getting off undressing like women or joining women's circles and

01:24:53.540 you and you write the following this is so interesting to me and again eye-opening away i was like okay

01:24:58.040 this makes sense because we've talked many times on the show about why the trans activists are the

01:25:02.920 worst activists the worst i mean they're worse than blm they're worse than anybody in terms of the way

01:25:08.840 you must say it this way and you must go along with everything that they believe and you are still

01:25:13.780 on the subject of ray blanchard you say his observations of extremist trans activism in recent years

01:25:18.800 have led him to believe that the leaders are mostly autogynophiles their anger results from envy

01:25:26.200 of women and resentment at not being accepted by women as one of them quote they direct their ire at

01:25:34.500 women because it is women who frustrate their desires men are largely irrelevant this this is exactly 0.87

01:25:41.340 right they are such an angry group and then you realize it's because that as you pointed out earlier

01:25:46.620 they need you and me to engage in their fantasy so you've got them then you've got these activists

01:25:52.200 who made different life choices who need to force them on us and that these are all the reasons again

01:25:57.440 it's the theme of the show why we must must push past trans women are women that's the tweet we must push 1.00

01:26:05.500 past yeah exactly and you know then there's a whole there's the whole kind of people who aren't so

01:26:12.960 invested in it but it's a very cheap virtue signal and then there's another group that we haven't

01:26:17.760 mentioned but i think it's quite a large group and that's people who are basically bullied and

01:26:21.760 terrorized by their own children having adopted this ideology so there's obviously a strong age

01:26:27.100 difference like older people are the least likely to think that people can change sex i mean a bit of

01:26:31.740 life wisdom maybe but anyway for whatever reason this is also just a very recent ideology so it's young

01:26:36.900 people and people who've been to university so i know loads of people and they tell me about it

01:26:42.460 whenever they see me on the street or whenever i meet them at something they say to me i cannot tell

01:26:46.520 my children in particular i cannot tell my daughters where i stand on this because my daughters will cut

01:26:51.760 me off and they will never speak to me again and so you know when you go to events and conferences in

01:26:56.480 this field there will often be people who aren't willing to be photographed and they give out stickers that say

01:27:01.020 no photographs um and often the reason is i don't want my child to see me here and it's not necessarily

01:27:07.520 that it's a trans child it's a child who believes that this is the latest um good cause that you know

01:27:13.260 you have to be um you know pro gay rights um pro blm uh pro trans women are women you know anti-trump

01:27:21.220 a whole bundle of things and they won't talk to their parents and they tell their parents they will

01:27:25.820 never talk to their parents again unless their parents agree with them on this and some of those

01:27:29.820 parents just go along with that they're like all right then fine you know um it doesn't seem right

01:27:33.540 to me maybe but you know my daughter tells me it's right so yeah it's terrifying that's terrifying and

01:27:39.020 those parents you know many of them not all but many of them may have missed the warning signs the

01:27:43.920 three hours a day on tumblr or reddit or youtube where they're getting drawn into this ideology sucked

01:27:50.340 into this very unhealthy messaging these lies and the indoctrination's already happened it's it is tough

01:27:56.020 to fight once it's already happened um i'll say this you write the following in chapter 12 which i

01:28:00.880 completely agree with and it's i mentioned megan rapinoe because she's out there saying it's fine

01:28:04.700 we're you know they should compete against us uh you write this not about her but in general female 0.55

01:28:09.880 athletes who support trans inclusion get to appear generous and inclusive even as they position

01:28:16.880 themselves as superior to women who acknowledge that they do require a separate sex class to be 0.99

01:28:23.460 competitive i was trying to explain this to joe pags he was on the show the other day he's like

01:28:26.540 why does megan rapinoe say this why do these women do it and i said because they want to appear 1.00

01:28:31.380 morally superior it's a psychic income for them they get to virtue signal to their base um that's what

01:28:38.760 they get out of it even if it puts our children in danger all right stand by because when we come

01:28:43.840 back i would like to get into the uh sports situation which is getting better it is getting better

01:28:50.360 by the day more with helen joyce on the opposite side of this break now streaming on paramount plus

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01:29:23.360 one other point on the children which is very important to make you point out in the book

01:29:30.580 that the most recent and best study published in march of 2021 followed 139 boys seen at a

01:29:38.680 toronto clinic between 1975 and 2009 that's a long-term study of 139 children around two-thirds

01:29:46.820 of whom satisfied the clinical criteria for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria it found more than

01:29:52.540 90 percent of them later ceased to feel dysphoric and became reconciled with their biological sex

01:30:00.940 that means leave them alone that's the answer leave them alone yeah that and they will grow out of it

01:30:07.740 yeah exactly and don't tell them that there are things that only boys can go do and only girls

01:30:13.440 can do tell them that anyone can be anything you do you you know if they want to be a boy who plays

01:30:18.620 with barbie or a girl who plays rugby go for it you be your own special little self and you'll be

01:30:23.200 supported and don't teach them that they're you know unstereotypical desires actually make them

01:30:30.180 members of the opposite sex it's super regressive to do that it confuses kids and it's sexist nonsense 0.96

01:30:36.960 right exactly so what i mean i know you spend a lot of time in the book on this being a social

01:30:43.160 contagion abigail schreier's written about at least a litman you quote her too she's both of whom been

01:30:47.520 on the show love them um but for girls in particular girls never suffered from this historically and now

01:30:52.560 they're overwhelmingly the dominant force girls thinking that they're boys um yeah given that's a 0.98

01:30:58.740 social contagion you got a daughter let's say in you know middle school or high school and it turns

01:31:05.340 out that 10 people in her class are suddenly trans including three of her closest friends what do you

01:31:11.200 do i mean ideally you don't get into that situation in the first place i mean parents who are alert to

01:31:17.520 this movement will look at uh the possibilities for their child's school and if you look around the

01:31:23.380 school and you see that it's trans flags everywhere and that teachers are wearing pronoun badges and

01:31:28.560 ask around in your community and find out are there lots of children who are identifying as non-binary or

01:31:33.160 whatever don't send your child there because you know they go through this natural period in teenage

01:31:38.940 years when they think that everything their parents say to them is wrong and they may want to just oppose

01:31:43.600 you for the sake of it but also they think that you're not cool and you're backward and they listen to their

01:31:47.060 own friendship groups so it's really really hard to counter the influence of what happens in school

01:31:52.800 and i would also look at what the school is teaching and what it's got in its library and what

01:31:57.520 it models to the kids because a lot of schools are you know they're transitioning kids behind their 1.00

01:32:02.580 parents banks and they're teaching children lessons in which they explicitly tell the children

01:32:07.800 that biological sex is a construct that what makes you a boy or a girl is your gender identity

01:32:12.900 you know your gender identity and so on they just teach them a mixture of unscientific nonsense 1.00

01:32:18.480 like they're passing around the social contagion now the schools in a lot of states

01:32:22.600 i don't know how you can inoculate your child against being taught lies and being socially

01:32:28.880 indoctrinated by school you can't put your child in that environment it's too dangerous

01:32:34.500 but if it's happened i mean it's really difficult to to deprogram someone who has been programmed into a

01:32:41.060 cult and i mean all i can say is don't end up there don't let your child be indoctrinated into a cult

01:32:47.060 that's exactly right and honestly this is one of the reasons why we're we tell our kids if somebody

01:32:52.320 asks you to say your pronouns just say i'm not comfortable talking like that just say that just

01:32:56.080 say like take it up with my mom if you don't like my answer that'd be another follow-up but i'm not

01:33:01.560 letting them even start getting my kids talking about things like that it you know it it's a gateway

01:33:07.020 it's a gateway it is all the pronouns are all right so on the sports front it's been a calamity 1.00

01:33:12.900 for female athletes but i mean talk about shoots of grass right there we've had some positive 0.99

01:33:19.640 developments like the world cycling organization uci just said no more they'd we we had had two of the

01:33:26.020 top cyclists in in the country on the show recently they did not feel hopeful that it was going to come

01:33:30.500 down this way because the people advising that body were trans activists but it was there wasn't

01:33:36.560 apparently they didn't have a majority there was so much blowback to this organization for men winning

01:33:41.240 in the women's events over and over taking the prize winning the prize money they reversed themselves 0.97

01:33:46.200 they they said this international cycling organization said no more men in women's sports if you want to

01:33:51.320 compete and you're a trans woman you can compete in the open category we've seen similar results in

01:33:56.300 the world running organization at least in i don't know world qualifying competitions in certain

01:34:02.140 competitions in any event we're making progress but can you spend some time on the men running in

01:34:07.420 women's uh competing in women's sports yeah sure so i mean i didn't know until i wrote my book how big

01:34:14.340 sex differences are in all the things that matter in sport i mean obviously i knew they were there i'm

01:34:18.540 actually from a very sporting family although i'm not sporting myself i'm one of nine kids and of the

01:34:23.900 other eight seven of them have played cricket and five of them have played for ireland and that's two

01:34:29.040 girls and three boys among them the girl who was the captain of the irish women's team for many years

01:34:33.980 who's probably the best irish female cricketer that we've ever had so i've always seen sex differences 0.90

01:34:38.660 in sport and also by the way the very sexist differences in which men's sport is lauded and women's

01:34:43.900 sport is underfunded but when i looked into it in the book the differences in strength speed stamina all

01:34:50.680 those things they're really much bigger under the hood than you'd realize if you've never been

01:34:55.100 beaten up by a man or you've never tried to arm wrestle with a 14 year old boy or any of those

01:34:59.120 things i mean actually quite mediocre men are better than the very best women like in most sports

01:35:05.780 an under 18 boy has and often many times thousands of times in a year has beaten the world record in

01:35:12.740 that sport for a woman so you just can't have women and men competing in the same competitions 1.00

01:35:17.460 because all professional athletes would be men there would just be no women's sport so sports 0.96

01:35:22.680 have always done sex testing which is just a simple swab of a cheek swab you just put a cotton 0.83

01:35:27.720 bud in the woman's mouth you check dna yes that's a woman she has that card for the rest of her life 1.00

01:35:32.660 it's that simple but in the 1990s they fell for the idea that people can transition men can change sex

01:35:39.720 and that if a man has had his testicles removed and therefore has no testosterone circulating anymore

01:35:44.640 that he should be allowed into women's sport now actually most of the advantage is baked in during 0.99

01:35:49.580 puberty so that was always nonsense but anyway it was allowed and the thing is it didn't really

01:35:54.060 become an issue because most of the men who'd gone through that surgery were in their 40s

01:35:57.700 so they weren't really very competitive and then step by step as has happened so much in this movement

01:36:03.740 you know you give them an inch which you should never have done but you give them an inch and they

01:36:06.980 take a mile so they said okay if you've had sex change surgery you can compete as a woman 1.00

01:36:12.040 and then they got rid of that condition for sex change surgery they just said lower your 1.00

01:36:16.600 testosterone levels but now like that's something that someone can do in their teens or in their 20s

01:36:21.420 and anyway it's very hard to monitor and some sports have even just said don't bother with

01:36:25.220 lowering your testosterone levels some women have high testosterone and you end up with just a mad 1.00

01:36:29.580 situation and i think the reason there's been pushback in sports before anything else is because it's so

01:36:34.800 visual it's not like in prisons which i actually think is the very worst place that this happens

01:36:39.240 allowing men who are rapists and murderers and torturers into women's prisons but that's done 1.00

01:36:44.200 behind closed doors nobody sees it whereas sport is on the podium and the other thing about sport is

01:36:50.140 it activates our fair play sort of module you know you look at this enormous man and often it's like

01:36:56.200 a man in his 40s and a bit out of shape and he's standing there lauding himself over the two women on

01:37:01.960 either side on the podium and he looks like an idiot he looks ridiculous you know i laugh when i see these 0.84

01:37:07.260 men even though it's not funny it's just a sort of an automatic reaction and so that's why it's

01:37:11.580 happening in sport before anywhere else because it destroys the whole thing no one will even watch it

01:37:15.800 they won't be able to get advertisers they won't be able to get anyone watching their competitions

01:37:19.220 the um the latest polling uh reports nbc news shows that 69 percent of people say trans athletes

01:37:29.160 should only be allowed to compete on the sports teams that correspond with the sex that they were born 0.98

01:37:34.580 with 69 so if you think you're in the minority you're not if you want to speak out about this

01:37:40.180 issue about 70 percent of americans do not think men should be competing in women's sports no matter

01:37:45.440 what their gender confusion is there are so many great nuggets in helen's book you've just got to

01:37:52.360 read it to get the full appreciation of it i'm so grateful to talk to you would you please come back

01:37:57.540 we can continue this discussion there's so many more things that we could talk into of course i'd

01:38:03.000 absolutely love to i've really really enjoyed this conversation and i think you know it's great

01:38:07.400 work what you're doing i i think you'd already proved that you were a very brave journalist but

01:38:11.460 now you know like you've doubled down and tripled down on that and i think women and children

01:38:15.840 everywhere can thank you for that right back at you helen all the best to be continued oh amazing

01:38:22.260 um okay before we go quick reminder tomorrow we have both of the irs whistleblowers speaking out

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 19, 2023

Trans Activist Emotional Blackmail, Silencing Women, and Redefining Words to Win Arguments, with Helen Joyce ｜ Ep. 590

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