The Megyn Kelly Show - July 19, 2023


Trans Activist Emotional Blackmail, Silencing Women, and Redefining Words to Win Arguments, with Helen Joyce | Ep. 590


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In this episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, host Meghan Kelly is joined by journalist and author Helen Joyce to discuss her new book, Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality, about the roots of transgender ideology and how it became mainstream.

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00:00:42.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.
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00:01:44.540 in the wake of,
00:01:46.380 you know,
00:01:46.600 this congressional testimony
00:01:47.540 that they're going to give today.
00:01:48.460 And I'm sure there'll be plenty of blowback tonight,
00:01:50.100 which we'll get to ask them about.
00:01:52.660 Thank you to them
00:01:54.080 for agreeing to the interview
00:01:55.040 and thanks to all of you
00:01:55.740 for tuning in for it.
00:01:57.060 But first,
00:01:58.380 we are joined today
00:01:59.860 for the full show
00:02:01.060 by someone you have requested
00:02:02.360 many, many times.
00:02:04.560 And now I have read her book twice.
00:02:07.200 It is well worth the time.
00:02:08.500 I listened to it via audio.
00:02:10.020 I read it myself.
00:02:11.560 I read my team's packet on it.
00:02:13.400 I can't get enough of it.
00:02:14.380 I learn something new each time.
00:02:16.300 And that woman's name is Helen Joyce. 0.55
00:02:18.340 She's a journalist and author
00:02:19.600 who has studied the roots
00:02:21.580 of transgender ideology,
00:02:23.580 how it became mainstream.
00:02:25.280 And she provides
00:02:26.760 much needed pushback
00:02:28.500 on some of the most repeated claims
00:02:31.120 that we get from these trans activists.
00:02:33.640 As Helen points out,
00:02:35.320 arguably one of the most detrimental aspects
00:02:37.780 of this ideology
00:02:38.760 is its erasure of women
00:02:41.440 and safe single sex spaces.
00:02:45.100 It is something I brought attention
00:02:46.500 to many times here on this show,
00:02:47.860 as you know,
00:02:48.280 from the case of the Connecticut Runners.
00:02:49.780 The girls who were forced 0.88
00:02:51.040 to compete against boys
00:02:52.380 who said they were transgender
00:02:53.820 in high school,
00:02:55.180 two members of the University of Wyoming's
00:02:56.940 Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority
00:02:58.200 who were forced
00:02:59.320 to welcome a biological man
00:03:00.800 into their chapter
00:03:01.560 only to be subjected
00:03:02.520 according to their allegations
00:03:03.560 with him pleasuring himself
00:03:06.080 and dealing with his erection 0.82
00:03:07.320 as he watched these poor girls 0.98
00:03:09.540 doing yoga
00:03:10.240 and getting changed
00:03:11.460 and behaving like normal young women 0.95
00:03:13.200 in their sorority house.
00:03:14.420 There's a lawsuit
00:03:14.980 over all of that right now.
00:03:17.120 Helen has been calling attention
00:03:18.400 to this for quite some time
00:03:19.680 and she is the journalist
00:03:20.680 and author of the book
00:03:22.000 Trans,
00:03:23.620 When Ideology Meets Reality.
00:03:26.780 Helen,
00:03:27.240 welcome to the show.
00:03:28.120 It's so great to meet you.
00:03:30.180 It's absolutely brilliant
00:03:31.260 to be on, Megan.
00:03:31.980 I'm so excited
00:03:32.740 about this interview.
00:03:33.700 Thank you so much.
00:03:35.080 Can I tell you,
00:03:35.560 I want to tell you
00:03:35.960 in the audience something.
00:03:36.660 So you were booked
00:03:37.280 to come on,
00:03:38.280 I don't know,
00:03:38.520 a month or two ago,
00:03:39.260 probably two months ago.
00:03:40.620 And my team prepares me packets
00:03:41.980 for anybody who's coming on
00:03:43.060 and they're in depth.
00:03:44.820 And so if I don't get
00:03:45.660 to read an entire book,
00:03:46.600 I usually have a good idea
00:03:48.100 of what's in it
00:03:48.760 thanks to the research packets.
00:03:50.300 Well, I'm reading yours
00:03:51.340 and as soon as I got halfway,
00:03:53.200 I'm like,
00:03:53.760 we have to move her. 0.96
00:03:55.720 I want to read the entire book.
00:03:56.880 There's no way
00:03:57.600 I'm half-assing this.
00:03:59.020 I need to know everything
00:03:59.840 this woman thinks 0.99
00:04:00.500 about every single thing
00:04:01.760 related to this subject.
00:04:03.120 And as I said now,
00:04:04.000 I've read the book
00:04:04.880 and listened to it
00:04:05.620 a total of three times.
00:04:07.100 So,
00:04:07.980 thrilled,
00:04:08.360 thrilled,
00:04:08.620 thrilled.
00:04:08.740 This is way more exciting
00:04:09.860 to me than meeting
00:04:10.840 like a Jennifer Aniston. 1.00
00:04:12.260 Meeting Helen Joyce
00:04:13.060 is like,
00:04:14.100 I'm starstruck.
00:04:15.140 So,
00:04:15.940 thrilled,
00:04:16.240 thrilled,
00:04:16.480 thrilled to have access
00:04:17.180 to you and your brilliant,
00:04:18.380 brilliant mind.
00:04:19.160 Okay.
00:04:19.700 Sorry for the fangirl moment.
00:04:21.320 Well,
00:04:21.780 I'm fangirling too,
00:04:22.780 so we can do it mutually
00:04:23.760 and move on.
00:04:25.380 Okay,
00:04:25.800 good.
00:04:26.840 Okay.
00:04:27.580 This is where I want to start.
00:04:29.560 The woman who runs
00:04:30.860 Human Rights Campaign,
00:04:32.600 this group that used to be
00:04:33.860 all about gay rights,
00:04:35.880 but now is
00:04:36.660 trans more,
00:04:38.040 transmogrified 1.00
00:04:39.420 into all about
00:04:40.340 trans rights.
00:04:41.740 Her name is Kelly Robinson
00:04:42.840 and she sent out a tweet
00:04:43.980 not long ago
00:04:45.080 that I see often
00:04:46.440 from these trans activists.
00:04:48.060 And her tweet read,
00:04:50.280 trans women
00:04:50.960 are women.
00:04:52.320 That's it.
00:04:53.360 That's the tweet.
00:04:55.360 It's a lie.
00:04:56.660 And the more I read
00:04:58.000 your book,
00:04:58.620 the more I came
00:04:59.580 to realize
00:05:00.320 why the lie
00:05:01.860 is so important
00:05:02.860 to their activists
00:05:04.220 and why it's so important
00:05:06.060 for us
00:05:06.600 on the side of reality
00:05:07.620 and reason
00:05:08.500 to call it out
00:05:10.020 as a lie
00:05:10.560 that trans women 0.66
00:05:11.900 are in fact men.
00:05:13.400 They are biological men.
00:05:15.420 They are men.
00:05:17.100 And them trying
00:05:18.240 to change
00:05:19.160 that
00:05:20.020 understanding
00:05:21.720 is it's for a reason
00:05:23.980 and it's critical
00:05:24.880 to them winning
00:05:25.660 this debate.
00:05:26.340 Can you expand on that?
00:05:27.980 Sure.
00:05:30.260 I mean,
00:05:30.580 this is a movement
00:05:31.520 that is entirely linguistic.
00:05:34.100 I mean,
00:05:34.340 we aren't actually
00:05:35.000 able to change sex.
00:05:36.340 Everyone who has ever
00:05:37.360 thought about anything
00:05:38.780 about human beings
00:05:39.660 knows we're mammals.
00:05:41.280 We know we evolved that way
00:05:42.560 and mammals can't change sex. 1.00
00:05:44.020 You're conceived male or female 0.94
00:05:45.180 and that's what you're
00:05:45.840 going to grow up.
00:05:46.800 You can,
00:05:47.360 you know,
00:05:47.480 a man who castrates himself
00:05:48.820 does not become a woman.
00:05:50.140 A woman who has 0.90
00:05:51.160 a neophallus
00:05:52.000 crafted out of her thigh
00:05:53.140 and stitched onto her groin 1.00
00:05:54.300 does not become a man.
00:05:55.940 We all know that.
00:05:56.800 So the only meaning
00:05:58.860 that you can give
00:05:59.620 to statements like
00:06:00.500 trans women are women 0.54
00:06:01.460 is a linguistic one.
00:06:03.020 It's all about words,
00:06:04.200 that we're changing
00:06:04.940 the definition of words
00:06:06.180 and that by changing
00:06:07.040 the words,
00:06:07.620 we change the reality.
00:06:09.520 And that's why
00:06:10.120 this is a movement
00:06:10.780 that is so keen
00:06:12.020 on censoring people
00:06:13.200 because as far
00:06:14.460 as they're concerned,
00:06:15.400 when you say,
00:06:16.460 as you just did,
00:06:17.420 no trans women are men,
00:06:19.580 that speech act
00:06:20.680 is creating a reality
00:06:22.020 that they don't like.
00:06:23.500 And so they must silence you
00:06:24.740 to give space
00:06:25.400 for the speech act
00:06:26.180 that they like,
00:06:26.900 which is trans women 0.95
00:06:27.740 are women,
00:06:28.280 full stop,
00:06:29.040 no debate,
00:06:29.980 that's it,
00:06:30.740 that's the tweet.
00:06:32.020 And by saying it,
00:06:32.820 they think that creates reality.
00:06:34.300 It's sort of a queer theory thing.
00:06:35.840 It comes very much
00:06:36.540 from universities,
00:06:38.260 this postmodern turn,
00:06:40.200 they call it,
00:06:41.680 in which you think
00:06:42.280 that everything
00:06:42.760 is socially constructed,
00:06:44.140 that everything
00:06:44.620 is about language,
00:06:45.960 that the words
00:06:46.720 that you use
00:06:47.540 can erase all sorts
00:06:49.020 of inconvenient facts
00:06:50.420 about the world.
00:06:51.340 And you end up
00:06:52.140 with the world
00:06:52.500 that you want
00:06:53.140 because it's the world
00:06:53.900 that you're creating
00:06:54.640 with your words.
00:06:55.400 We have lost
00:06:57.820 the debate
00:06:58.340 if we say
00:06:59.660 women aren't allowed 1.00
00:07:01.800 in women's bathrooms, 1.00
00:07:03.000 women aren't allowed 1.00
00:07:04.180 in women's prisons, 1.00
00:07:05.320 in women's locker rooms. 1.00
00:07:06.960 And that's,
00:07:07.820 that's their design.
00:07:08.920 If we say men
00:07:10.940 are not allowed
00:07:11.900 in our private spaces,
00:07:13.900 of course,
00:07:14.840 that's accepted.
00:07:15.680 Everybody understands
00:07:16.500 why we don't want that.
00:07:17.560 And you expand on that
00:07:19.020 a lot in the book
00:07:19.680 about how all of these
00:07:21.340 single-sex spaces
00:07:23.620 came to be
00:07:24.520 in the first place
00:07:25.320 for very good reason.
00:07:26.880 And if you can just
00:07:27.600 remember in your head
00:07:29.300 that they came to be
00:07:30.900 to protect women
00:07:31.980 from men,
00:07:33.460 which trans women are,
00:07:35.620 then you understand
00:07:36.960 why most women 1.00
00:07:38.440 are very animated
00:07:39.860 over this issue.
00:07:40.880 And actually,
00:07:41.660 most Americans
00:07:42.380 and most Brits
00:07:43.680 who are now starting
00:07:44.800 to pay attention
00:07:45.440 are on the side
00:07:46.340 of reason
00:07:46.800 and understand
00:07:47.440 that this is a dangerous,
00:07:49.200 very slippery slope
00:07:50.360 we're on.
00:07:51.060 It's not about
00:07:51.860 inclusion of them.
00:07:53.420 It's about danger
00:07:54.720 to us.
00:07:55.760 That's the way
00:07:56.300 to frame this
00:07:57.140 because that's
00:07:57.760 what's really
00:07:58.140 at issue here.
00:08:00.080 Exactly.
00:08:00.460 And the word inclusion
00:08:01.320 has become such a buzzword
00:08:02.760 that we forget
00:08:03.440 that a lot of things
00:08:04.200 depend on exclusion
00:08:05.360 in particular definitions do.
00:08:07.740 A definition
00:08:08.300 of what a woman is 0.99
00:08:09.220 necessarily excludes
00:08:10.720 all men
00:08:11.240 and vice versa.
00:08:12.860 And yet when you say,
00:08:13.760 oh, well,
00:08:14.060 I want to be inclusive.
00:08:15.520 Well,
00:08:15.820 who do you want
00:08:16.320 to be inclusive of?
00:08:17.260 If this space
00:08:17.800 is only for children,
00:08:18.680 it can't be inclusive
00:08:19.460 of adults.
00:08:20.100 If it's only for women, 1.00
00:08:21.380 it can't be inclusive
00:08:22.200 for men.
00:08:22.680 That's just definitional.
00:08:24.420 And yet because everyone
00:08:25.360 has got very bound up
00:08:27.100 in the idea
00:08:27.560 that inclusion is good
00:08:28.720 and exclusion is bad,
00:08:31.020 the language plays
00:08:32.640 into their narrative
00:08:33.800 that you're the meanie,
00:08:35.520 you're excluding people
00:08:36.520 and you're like,
00:08:36.920 well, of course
00:08:37.240 I'm excluding them.
00:08:38.020 This is meant to be
00:08:38.440 a women-only space. 1.00
00:08:39.400 Why would I include men? 0.89
00:08:40.440 It can't be women-only.
00:08:42.680 I remember shortly
00:08:43.800 after my book came out
00:08:45.000 going to an event
00:08:46.040 and saying that
00:08:47.660 I never imagined,
00:08:48.580 you know,
00:08:49.360 I mean,
00:08:49.580 I spent far too long
00:08:50.520 in education, Megan.
00:08:51.500 I did a maths degree
00:08:52.620 and then I went on
00:08:53.320 and did a PhD in mathematics
00:08:54.540 and I stayed
00:08:55.160 and did a postdoc
00:08:55.980 and I never thought
00:08:57.260 that I was going to spend
00:08:58.320 the most important part
00:08:59.680 of my working life
00:09:00.660 saying,
00:09:01.540 once you allow
00:09:03.340 a man
00:09:04.000 into a space
00:09:05.060 for women,
00:09:06.200 it ceases
00:09:06.860 to be single sex 0.53
00:09:08.840 because this isn't
00:09:09.880 even logical.
00:09:10.540 It's just a truism.
00:09:12.460 And yet I find myself
00:09:13.640 saying,
00:09:14.380 you know,
00:09:14.900 we can't allow people 1.00
00:09:15.940 who aren't in a group
00:09:16.880 into a space
00:09:18.160 that's meant just
00:09:18.780 for that group
00:09:19.440 and keep it only
00:09:20.780 for that group.
00:09:22.080 Like sometimes I think
00:09:23.000 the noise is not
00:09:23.680 coming out of my mouth.
00:09:24.600 Am I moving my lips
00:09:25.440 and nothing's happening?
00:09:26.740 You know,
00:09:27.160 it's so very obvious.
00:09:30.060 But this was,
00:09:31.060 I mean,
00:09:31.320 I actually,
00:09:32.060 of course,
00:09:32.600 because until this
00:09:33.340 whole thing exploded,
00:09:34.020 I never gave any thought
00:09:35.120 to why we have
00:09:36.360 women's bathrooms 1.00
00:09:37.460 and women's locker rooms 1.00
00:09:39.280 or changing rooms
00:09:40.040 at the public pools.
00:09:41.080 And you get into
00:09:43.220 the stats
00:09:43.960 on on why
00:09:45.660 excluding all males,
00:09:48.040 you write from places
00:09:48.880 where women 0.97
00:09:49.400 are at heightened
00:09:50.560 risk of assault
00:09:51.840 is a broad rush measure.
00:09:54.160 And you write
00:09:55.460 justifying it
00:09:56.540 does not require
00:09:57.100 that all males
00:09:58.140 are violent,
00:09:58.880 but the stats show
00:10:00.560 that of the people
00:10:01.880 on this earth
00:10:02.780 who are violent
00:10:04.140 and who commit
00:10:05.380 sexual assault,
00:10:07.060 the scales
00:10:07.600 are overwhelmingly
00:10:08.880 weighted with men,
00:10:10.600 not women. 0.99
00:10:11.560 It's virtually all men. 0.99
00:10:13.420 You write,
00:10:13.820 sex offenders
00:10:14.380 make up 19%
00:10:16.000 of the 84,000
00:10:17.240 male prisoners,
00:10:18.620 just 4%
00:10:20.000 of the female ones. 0.98
00:10:22.060 Women 1.00
00:10:22.320 are around
00:10:23.180 five times
00:10:24.060 more likely
00:10:24.520 than men
00:10:24.920 to be the victim
00:10:25.720 of a sexual crime
00:10:26.820 and men
00:10:27.660 are 100 times
00:10:29.360 more likely
00:10:30.020 to be the perpetrator
00:10:31.580 of a sexual crime.
00:10:32.920 This is why
00:10:34.540 we needed
00:10:35.380 a safe space,
00:10:37.060 let's face it,
00:10:37.620 if we're going to be
00:10:38.320 pulling up our dresses
00:10:39.080 and pulling down
00:10:39.700 our pants
00:10:40.160 and taking off
00:10:41.200 our clothes
00:10:41.740 where we did not
00:10:42.940 want anyone
00:10:44.120 in that category
00:10:44.940 to be near us.
00:10:47.260 And those statistics
00:10:47.980 come from
00:10:49.000 a time
00:10:50.060 when we had
00:10:50.680 single sex spaces
00:10:51.640 and when people
00:10:52.400 didn't overstep
00:10:53.160 the boundaries.
00:10:54.200 So the two most
00:10:54.980 common sex crimes
00:10:56.020 are exhibitionism,
00:10:57.200 which is showing
00:10:57.900 your private parts 0.87
00:10:58.740 to someone
00:10:59.380 who doesn't want
00:10:59.780 to see them,
00:11:00.260 and voyeurism,
00:11:01.400 which is looking
00:11:01.800 at other people's
00:11:02.560 naked bodies 0.51
00:11:03.120 without consent.
00:11:04.880 And so those
00:11:05.400 statistics come
00:11:06.200 from a time
00:11:06.780 that those were
00:11:07.300 difficult crimes
00:11:08.060 to commit.
00:11:09.240 But now
00:11:10.020 if a man can say
00:11:11.000 he's a woman
00:11:11.520 and enter
00:11:12.140 a women-only space 0.99
00:11:13.200 he can commit
00:11:13.840 voyeurism
00:11:14.380 and exhibitionism
00:11:15.180 with impunity
00:11:16.000 and he'll either
00:11:17.480 not be registered
00:11:18.260 as committing
00:11:18.720 a crime at all
00:11:19.520 because of course
00:11:20.080 if you go into
00:11:20.620 a women's locker room
00:11:21.540 it's allowable
00:11:22.560 to get undressed
00:11:23.220 and you will see
00:11:23.780 other people undressed.
00:11:25.660 So it won't be
00:11:26.320 recorded as a crime
00:11:27.220 or if it is
00:11:28.120 it'll be recorded
00:11:28.740 as a crime by women. 1.00
00:11:30.260 So the statistics
00:11:31.580 are going to be
00:11:32.140 messed up
00:11:32.540 on top of
00:11:32.940 everything else
00:11:33.600 and crime
00:11:34.560 is often
00:11:35.040 many crimes
00:11:36.100 are what's called
00:11:36.600 crimes of opportunity
00:11:37.540 so it's not like
00:11:38.640 there's a set amount
00:11:39.440 of burglary out there
00:11:40.700 or a set amount
00:11:41.680 of voyeurism
00:11:42.660 or exhibitionism.
00:11:43.840 The amount of it
00:11:44.480 depends on how easy
00:11:46.360 it is to commit
00:11:46.960 those crimes
00:11:47.440 and how rewarding
00:11:48.200 and how likely
00:11:48.860 you are to be punished
00:11:49.720 and what we're doing
00:11:51.060 is we're making it
00:11:51.700 much, much, much easier
00:11:53.260 for men to commit 0.68
00:11:53.980 sex crimes
00:11:54.600 against women 1.00
00:11:55.220 and much, much, much
00:11:56.800 harder for women 0.83
00:11:57.400 even to report them
00:11:58.680 let alone
00:11:59.280 to get justice
00:11:59.960 so we can expect
00:12:00.880 a big uptick
00:12:02.220 in sex crimes
00:12:03.460 by men
00:12:04.100 against women. 0.76
00:12:05.060 That's just the way
00:12:05.620 it's going to play out.
00:12:07.160 And now it's policy
00:12:08.560 it's law
00:12:09.920 in state
00:12:11.180 after state
00:12:12.300 we've seen this
00:12:13.220 as it's cropped up
00:12:13.960 at the YWCA
00:12:15.360 across America
00:12:16.540 places like California
00:12:17.800 places like Connecticut
00:12:19.200 and gyms
00:12:20.160 and so on
00:12:20.720 we've done stories
00:12:21.580 on that
00:12:22.040 where women 0.97
00:12:22.660 go to complain
00:12:23.460 and the place
00:12:25.640 the gym
00:12:26.060 whatever it is
00:12:27.180 YWCA
00:12:27.720 says
00:12:28.040 yes
00:12:29.200 that's our policy
00:12:29.920 because that's
00:12:30.620 the state law
00:12:31.380 we have to allow
00:12:32.700 a man
00:12:33.720 with a penis 0.99
00:12:34.580 who says he's female
00:12:35.840 to go into the locker room
00:12:37.080 there's nothing
00:12:37.780 we can do about it.
00:12:40.300 Yeah
00:12:40.340 and often
00:12:40.780 they don't want
00:12:41.800 to do anything about it
00:12:42.460 often they also believe
00:12:43.640 in this bizarre thing
00:12:44.760 you know
00:12:45.140 a womanly penis 1.00
00:12:46.140 like there are no
00:12:47.500 female penises 1.00
00:12:48.240 by definition
00:12:49.280 the penis 0.94
00:12:49.900 is a male sex organ 0.92
00:12:51.400 only male mammals
00:12:53.000 have penises 0.87
00:12:53.740 no female mammal
00:12:54.980 has ever had a penis 0.98
00:12:56.120 like this is
00:12:56.600 I can't believe
00:12:57.500 I'm saying this Megan
00:12:58.440 I didn't spend my time
00:12:59.760 talking about penises
00:13:00.660 before
00:13:01.040 I was polite
00:13:01.820 I was nice
00:13:02.660 and now I spend my days
00:13:04.300 saying penis 0.97
00:13:05.040 because I've been forced to
00:13:06.240 and then they say to me
00:13:07.300 that I'm obsessed
00:13:08.160 well I mean
00:13:09.140 if you stop getting your penis 0.99
00:13:10.200 out in the women's locker room
00:13:11.320 I'll stop mentioning
00:13:12.100 the fact that there are penises
00:13:13.220 in the women's locker room 0.81
00:13:14.200 that's the way around
00:13:15.340 but so yes
00:13:16.200 women report these things 1.00
00:13:17.500 and they're told
00:13:18.300 it's the state law
00:13:19.340 but also they're told
00:13:20.720 that they're bigots
00:13:21.900 I've seen journalists
00:13:23.800 who claim to be
00:13:24.940 women 1.00
00:13:25.280 who claim to be feminists
00:13:26.820 who claim to be progressive
00:13:28.360 I've seen them saying
00:13:29.980 why are you looking
00:13:31.280 as somebody saying
00:13:32.600 are you really okay
00:13:33.400 with a man getting his penis out 1.00
00:13:34.820 in the women's locker room 0.81
00:13:35.980 in front of a girl
00:13:37.100 a little girl
00:13:37.920 and Laurie Penny
00:13:39.400 who's a journalist
00:13:40.000 here in the UK
00:13:40.740 who calls herself a feminist
00:13:41.920 she said
00:13:43.120 why is your child looking
00:13:44.300 it'd be a good opportunity
00:13:45.220 to teach them not to look
00:13:46.440 but that is what men
00:13:47.420 have always said about voyeurism
00:13:48.760 and exhibitionism
00:13:49.600 like if a man gets his penis out 0.93
00:13:51.700 in a public place
00:13:52.680 and then the girl complains 1.00
00:13:54.360 he's like
00:13:54.620 well why were you looking
00:13:55.300 you know
00:13:55.760 so yeah
00:13:56.640 we're back to blaming women 1.00
00:13:58.180 we're back to blaming women 1.00
00:13:59.460 for men's sex crimes
00:14:00.820 and the women who complain
00:14:02.340 about these things
00:14:03.000 are often told
00:14:03.740 that they're going to be
00:14:04.520 kicked out of their gym
00:14:05.340 because they're bigots
00:14:06.240 they're transphobic bigots
00:14:07.900 yep
00:14:08.800 that's exactly what
00:14:09.780 and even the
00:14:10.540 the sorority members
00:14:12.160 that I talked about
00:14:12.820 the Kappa Kappa Gamma girls
00:14:13.940 were scolded
00:14:15.060 by their
00:14:15.620 their chapter leaders
00:14:16.660 and their national sorority
00:14:17.740 as transphobes
00:14:18.920 any objection to allowing
00:14:20.240 a man
00:14:20.880 into the sorority
00:14:21.740 means you're a bigot
00:14:23.140 you're a transphobe
00:14:23.800 I'm so glad
00:14:24.420 that they're being defended
00:14:25.240 I know you point out
00:14:26.000 thank God for groups like ADF
00:14:27.400 that's how I feel
00:14:28.040 Alliance Defending Freedom
00:14:28.960 which took their case
00:14:30.540 they took the case
00:14:32.700 of the Connecticut Runners
00:14:33.560 they've taken many
00:14:34.180 of these cases
00:14:34.680 trying to fight back
00:14:35.500 against mandated pronouns
00:14:37.280 and all that stuff
00:14:38.180 but you know
00:14:39.160 it's a very small sliver
00:14:40.640 of groups
00:14:41.120 that will take these cases
00:14:42.300 at all
00:14:43.080 I want to stay on
00:14:44.660 the women's spaces
00:14:45.500 because
00:14:45.840 and we'll get to
00:14:46.800 female athletes 0.99
00:14:47.440 and all that
00:14:47.760 to me that's so easy
00:14:48.860 that's an easy one
00:14:49.740 but female spaces 0.99
00:14:50.700 is sort of the next ring
00:14:52.420 of the circles going out
00:14:53.620 and fewer people
00:14:54.640 are willing to stand up
00:14:55.620 for our rights there
00:14:56.720 they start to feel
00:14:57.520 more transphobic
00:14:58.400 and they're wrong to
00:14:59.280 they need to
00:15:00.180 embrace this fight
00:15:01.360 otherwise our daughters
00:15:02.960 are going to pay the price
00:15:03.780 so there's
00:15:04.700 there's the men 0.81
00:15:05.920 who are potential
00:15:06.620 you know
00:15:07.920 criminals
00:15:08.880 who are taking advantage
00:15:10.080 of these open doors
00:15:11.200 into our spaces
00:15:12.180 who are not trans at all 0.95
00:15:14.360 but just want to get in there
00:15:15.340 to exhibit voyeurism
00:15:17.120 or commit an assault
00:15:18.340 what have you
00:15:19.080 that's been a danger
00:15:19.960 for a long long time
00:15:20.680 we just made it a whole lot
00:15:21.480 easier for all of them
00:15:22.340 then you point out
00:15:23.540 in the book
00:15:23.860 there is
00:15:24.320 it's not to say
00:15:24.960 that all trans people
00:15:26.120 at all of course
00:15:27.100 are pedophiles
00:15:28.000 but
00:15:28.920 this whole situation
00:15:30.460 has created
00:15:31.060 an open door
00:15:32.000 for pedophiles too
00:15:33.220 in a way
00:15:34.020 I know you've said
00:15:34.580 is very dangerous
00:15:35.300 so my analogy
00:15:37.740 in the book
00:15:38.360 is with something
00:15:39.100 that happened
00:15:39.540 in the gay rights movement
00:15:40.740 in the 1960s
00:15:42.000 70s 80s
00:15:43.060 and you know
00:15:44.480 I have to be very careful
00:15:45.580 talking about this
00:15:46.300 because I don't want
00:15:46.960 to be misrepresented
00:15:47.720 I'm very used to being
00:15:49.000 misquoted
00:15:49.780 and misrepresented
00:15:50.820 by people who know
00:15:52.020 very well
00:15:52.500 what I'm trying to say
00:15:53.340 but want to
00:15:54.080 tar me
00:15:55.040 with lies
00:15:56.040 so
00:15:57.180 gay men are no more likely 0.96
00:15:59.160 than other people
00:15:59.720 to be pedophiles
00:16:00.560 but their movement
00:16:01.620 was careless
00:16:02.300 about giving shelter
00:16:04.160 to pedophiles
00:16:04.940 which is a completely
00:16:05.640 different thing
00:16:06.260 and that was
00:16:07.400 for several reasons
00:16:08.300 and one of them
00:16:08.940 was because a lot
00:16:09.740 of people inside
00:16:10.460 the gay liberation
00:16:11.200 movement
00:16:11.920 thought like
00:16:13.100 my enemy's enemy
00:16:13.980 is my friend
00:16:15.020 and on the other side
00:16:16.740 opposing them
00:16:17.640 were the Catholic Church
00:16:19.160 the National Front
00:16:20.220 you know
00:16:20.880 Conservative Mothers
00:16:21.760 that sort of thing
00:16:22.440 like so
00:16:22.760 a mixed group
00:16:23.580 people I agree with
00:16:24.380 and people I disagree with
00:16:25.460 but so they thought
00:16:26.900 like everything
00:16:27.520 those people
00:16:28.400 disagree with
00:16:29.520 is pro me
00:16:30.900 and so they didn't
00:16:32.620 push the pedophiles
00:16:33.480 out of their movement
00:16:34.320 and I mean
00:16:35.460 this is an almost
00:16:36.040 forgotten history
00:16:36.780 but it is a matter
00:16:37.540 of record
00:16:38.120 that all the
00:16:39.620 civil rights movements
00:16:40.740 of the 1970s
00:16:41.900 and 1980s
00:16:42.580 that cared about
00:16:43.180 freedom of speech
00:16:44.000 and that cared
00:16:44.500 about gay rights
00:16:45.260 were just
00:16:45.780 unbelievably willing
00:16:47.240 to give headspace
00:16:48.660 and room
00:16:49.280 to pedophile movements
00:16:50.740 and I don't mean
00:16:51.460 like pedophile fronts
00:16:52.780 I mean avowedly
00:16:53.900 pedophile movements
00:16:55.060 people who are arguing
00:16:56.420 for the age of consent
00:16:57.520 to be dropped to four
00:16:58.660 or to have none at all
00:16:59.880 people who said
00:17:00.780 that it was educational
00:17:01.660 for children
00:17:02.540 to have sex with adults 0.95
00:17:03.800 these people managed
00:17:05.020 to get onto platforms
00:17:06.220 with the Labour Party
00:17:07.420 Nambla
00:17:08.620 which was the North America
00:17:09.840 Man-Boy Love Association
00:17:11.300 which is still going
00:17:12.380 had a magazine
00:17:13.000 that was published
00:17:13.860 and you know
00:17:15.180 you look back
00:17:15.640 and you think
00:17:15.940 this is completely crazy
00:17:17.140 absolutely crazy
00:17:18.120 and yet
00:17:19.200 we are seeing
00:17:20.700 something very similar
00:17:21.700 again now
00:17:22.540 which is that
00:17:23.040 we're seeing
00:17:23.680 people thinking
00:17:25.200 I mean
00:17:25.500 the analogy
00:17:26.120 is a little bit different
00:17:26.920 the analogy
00:17:27.440 is that now
00:17:28.260 the trans rights movement
00:17:29.820 thinks again
00:17:30.740 my enemy's enemy
00:17:32.020 is my friend
00:17:32.720 so anyone
00:17:33.740 who's against
00:17:34.300 drag queen story hour
00:17:35.600 anyone who says
00:17:36.820 that there's a child
00:17:37.520 safeguarding risk here
00:17:38.800 we're called
00:17:39.880 Nazis
00:17:40.480 fascists
00:17:41.400 bigots
00:17:42.140 you know
00:17:42.740 homophobes
00:17:44.120 transphobes
00:17:45.240 every phobe
00:17:45.840 that you can imagine
00:17:46.560 and they just
00:17:47.520 write us all off
00:17:48.280 so I think
00:17:48.720 they're going to
00:17:49.060 make the same mistake
00:17:50.340 they're not thinking
00:17:51.780 about how their movement
00:17:52.860 can be co-opted
00:17:53.760 and is being co-opted
00:17:55.220 because they want
00:17:56.720 to you know
00:17:57.440 stick it to the
00:17:58.540 the bigots
00:17:59.320 the fascists
00:17:59.980 the far right people
00:18:00.920 who just care about
00:18:01.640 child safeguarding
00:18:02.500 you know
00:18:02.780 it's very dangerous
00:18:04.020 for them
00:18:04.520 well this is the problem
00:18:05.820 if you know
00:18:06.380 we're seeing the news
00:18:07.520 of these men
00:18:09.200 in women's spaces 0.86
00:18:10.160 like locker rooms
00:18:11.060 and we're seeing the news
00:18:12.580 of let's say
00:18:13.560 let's take that YWCA
00:18:14.800 out in California
00:18:15.500 where the 17 year old
00:18:17.160 older sister
00:18:18.220 spoke out publicly
00:18:20.160 and said
00:18:20.840 I've got a young
00:18:22.200 little sister
00:18:23.040 in the single digits
00:18:24.100 I don't want her
00:18:25.120 exposed to this
00:18:25.980 so I heard it
00:18:27.140 you probably heard it
00:18:28.140 and so did the pedophiles
00:18:29.500 and she was right
00:18:31.640 to speak out
00:18:32.080 don't get me wrong
00:18:32.580 I'm not suggesting otherwise
00:18:33.460 but the problem is
00:18:35.300 they they know too
00:18:36.500 that all they need to do
00:18:38.080 is put on a damn dress 1.00
00:18:39.620 and they will have access
00:18:41.000 to these spaces
00:18:41.800 where it's not just
00:18:42.700 52 year old birds
00:18:44.220 like me in there
00:18:44.920 it's young girls 0.98
00:18:46.580 right
00:18:47.240 it's like
00:18:47.640 and that's a real danger
00:18:49.420 and you know
00:18:50.160 we're
00:18:51.160 it's open season
00:18:52.320 yeah
00:18:53.960 and men
00:18:54.480 men who abuse children
00:18:55.680 not all of whom
00:18:56.380 are pedophiles
00:18:56.940 because some of them
00:18:57.680 abuse children 0.50
00:18:58.400 who are teenagers
00:18:59.120 you know
00:18:59.580 they're past the
00:19:00.320 they're past puberty
00:19:01.280 so they're physically
00:19:02.020 grown up
00:19:02.940 but they're still
00:19:03.420 under the age of consent
00:19:04.460 and so any man
00:19:05.960 who abuses
00:19:06.560 women and girls
00:19:07.620 one of the first things
00:19:08.560 he looks for
00:19:08.980 is vulnerability
00:19:09.420 so that's why
00:19:10.900 they go for children
00:19:11.860 who are in care
00:19:12.720 or children
00:19:13.700 whose families
00:19:14.200 are in chaos
00:19:14.960 or children
00:19:15.440 who are you know
00:19:16.060 depressed
00:19:16.480 or lonely
00:19:17.060 or whatever
00:19:17.480 but they will also
00:19:18.780 they will also
00:19:20.080 take on any mantle
00:19:21.320 that makes them seem
00:19:22.300 trustworthy
00:19:22.740 so that's why
00:19:23.940 so many pedophiles
00:19:24.860 made it into things
00:19:25.800 like the scouts movement
00:19:26.880 it was not only
00:19:27.640 because it gave them
00:19:28.460 access to kids
00:19:29.540 it was because
00:19:30.340 it made them look
00:19:30.920 like good guys
00:19:31.660 until we all learned
00:19:32.600 how pedophiles do that
00:19:33.620 how they operate
00:19:34.400 and now we have
00:19:35.960 a new sacred cast
00:19:37.300 which is trans women 0.95
00:19:38.780 and again
00:19:40.300 like you
00:19:40.860 I am not saying
00:19:41.600 that every man
00:19:42.180 who identifies as a woman
00:19:43.180 or even many men
00:19:44.420 who identify as women
00:19:45.540 are predators
00:19:46.160 what I'm saying
00:19:47.260 is that if you identify
00:19:48.260 if you're a man
00:19:49.260 and you identify
00:19:50.000 as a trans woman
00:19:50.780 you now have
00:19:51.860 a new sacred position
00:19:53.780 that it's very hard
00:19:54.560 to criticise you
00:19:55.420 you know
00:19:56.140 as soon as someone
00:19:56.700 criticises you
00:19:57.440 the entire left
00:19:58.400 will reflexively say
00:19:59.560 that they're bigots
00:20:00.400 and that they're doing it
00:20:01.480 because they're transphobes
00:20:03.320 they're hateful
00:20:04.020 they're back
00:20:04.560 they're aggressive
00:20:05.160 they're Nazi adjacent
00:20:06.480 whatever you know
00:20:07.400 punch a turf
00:20:08.140 all of those things
00:20:09.020 so these men know
00:20:10.180 where the sacred cast is now
00:20:11.720 and it's as a trans woman
00:20:13.100 like and they can just
00:20:14.200 walk into any space
00:20:15.120 and say
00:20:15.500 oh I'm really a woman
00:20:16.360 and then people can't
00:20:17.260 say anything
00:20:18.000 it's terrifying
00:20:20.320 I mean it's just
00:20:21.280 so alarming
00:20:21.940 as the mother
00:20:22.820 of three young children
00:20:23.820 including a girl
00:20:24.820 that she's going to
00:20:25.920 have to deal with this
00:20:26.680 at some point
00:20:27.240 because while you and I
00:20:28.020 are like-minded
00:20:28.720 the colleges are not
00:20:30.360 the medical associations
00:20:31.680 are not
00:20:32.420 most of the K-12 schools
00:20:34.000 are not
00:20:34.500 they're
00:20:34.900 you know
00:20:35.240 we send our daughter
00:20:35.920 to an all-girls school
00:20:36.860 they're already having
00:20:38.340 debates about
00:20:39.040 whether they should
00:20:40.000 let in
00:20:40.560 boys
00:20:41.800 who say that they're girls 0.99
00:20:43.400 or whether they should
00:20:45.060 kick out girls 1.00
00:20:45.980 who suddenly say
00:20:46.820 they identify as boys
00:20:48.460 I mean
00:20:48.720 why are we having
00:20:49.380 these debates
00:20:49.880 right
00:20:50.160 if you're a boy
00:20:51.900 you cannot come in
00:20:53.240 that's it
00:20:53.820 a penis is a hard no 0.99
00:20:55.260 yeah
00:20:56.360 yeah
00:20:56.820 and I mean honestly
00:20:57.600 adult men who cut off
00:20:58.700 their penises 1.00
00:20:59.160 don't become women 1.00
00:20:59.940 so you know
00:21:00.720 like if you
00:21:01.440 if you have
00:21:01.980 or have ever had
00:21:03.080 a penis 0.97
00:21:03.640 you are not a woman 1.00
00:21:04.900 so I just have to say that
00:21:07.180 and you know
00:21:07.780 it's actually worse
00:21:08.680 a single sex space 0.95
00:21:09.800 that makes an exception
00:21:10.840 and allows in some
00:21:11.900 male people
00:21:12.880 is worse than a mixed sex space 1.00
00:21:15.720 because it's been set up
00:21:17.000 as if it's single sex
00:21:18.200 you know
00:21:18.840 if we had a mixed sex sauna
00:21:20.580 or change room
00:21:21.800 or whatever it is we have
00:21:22.860 we think about
00:21:23.760 how we can give everybody
00:21:24.700 privacy in a mixed sex space
00:21:26.540 but a single sex space 0.64
00:21:27.980 you have much laxer rules
00:21:29.200 women behave differently 1.00
00:21:30.200 in single sex spaces
00:21:31.240 so you go in
00:21:32.520 and you strip off
00:21:33.360 and you talk
00:21:34.100 whatever way you do
00:21:34.920 and you're not looking around
00:21:36.120 you're not thinking
00:21:36.720 this is a space
00:21:37.260 where there could be predators
00:21:38.240 and the predator loves that
00:21:40.460 predators absolutely adore it
00:21:42.280 when people let down their guard
00:21:43.660 I mean it's absolutely incredible
00:21:46.120 that we're doing this
00:21:46.720 because any single sex school
00:21:48.060 all its facilities
00:21:49.080 will have been set up
00:21:50.060 on the assumption
00:21:50.760 that there are only children
00:21:51.780 of one sex
00:21:52.500 they'll only have girls toilets 1.00
00:21:54.040 they'll only have girls locker rooms 1.00
00:21:55.980 they will only do sex ed
00:21:57.920 that's suitable for all girls
00:21:59.280 to be in together
00:21:59.960 they will not be thinking
00:22:00.840 about the fact
00:22:01.400 that there's boys
00:22:02.120 sniggering in the back of the class
00:22:03.500 when we're talking about
00:22:04.620 girls periods or whatever
00:22:05.640 and yet now suddenly
00:22:07.060 they're going to have boys
00:22:07.920 and nobody's allowed to say it
00:22:09.380 it's the silencing
00:22:10.300 is such a big part
00:22:11.380 of why this is all so dangerous
00:22:12.780 you're not allowed
00:22:14.140 to just say
00:22:15.040 what's in front of your eyes
00:22:16.320 so I talked to people
00:22:17.680 who were experts
00:22:18.240 on child safeguarding
00:22:19.300 and in particular
00:22:19.900 a journalist
00:22:21.040 who had been very involved
00:22:22.740 in breaking the scandal
00:22:23.940 of the paedophile rings
00:22:25.000 that operated
00:22:25.540 in London children's homes
00:22:26.820 in the 1990s
00:22:27.960 and she found it
00:22:28.840 very difficult
00:22:29.500 to get newspapers
00:22:31.060 to take the story
00:22:32.200 and she said that
00:22:33.780 you weren't allowed
00:22:36.480 to say it
00:22:37.080 you weren't allowed
00:22:37.740 to say what was
00:22:38.420 in front of your eyes
00:22:39.200 and she called it grooming
00:22:40.320 she said it is grooming
00:22:41.520 we're teaching children
00:22:43.020 that they can't express
00:22:45.040 natural concerns
00:22:46.160 so a girl who needs 1.00
00:22:47.640 to be able to say
00:22:48.700 that's a boy
00:22:50.040 I'm not comfortable
00:22:51.360 these are my boundaries
00:22:52.760 I say no
00:22:54.000 I do not give consent
00:22:55.680 that girl knows 1.00
00:22:57.100 that if she says 0.84
00:22:57.660 any of that
00:22:58.160 she's the one
00:22:58.700 who gets kicked out
00:22:59.500 she's the one
00:23:00.060 who gets ostracised
00:23:00.880 as a bigot
00:23:01.400 and the boy
00:23:02.360 who says he's a girl
00:23:03.240 is this special
00:23:04.140 sacred
00:23:04.780 wonderful
00:23:05.380 the most oppressed
00:23:06.580 girls of all
00:23:07.320 the trans girls
00:23:08.140 are the best girls
00:23:09.260 so we're actually
00:23:11.200 grooming the whole
00:23:12.280 children
00:23:13.080 not just in America
00:23:14.000 not just in the UK
00:23:14.880 right across the
00:23:15.860 Anglosphere and beyond
00:23:16.820 we're grooming children
00:23:18.300 all children
00:23:18.980 but particularly girls
00:23:20.020 to ignore their own
00:23:21.580 needs and boundaries
00:23:22.440 and to stay silent
00:23:23.920 when something makes
00:23:24.740 them uncomfortable
00:23:25.380 so this makes them
00:23:26.620 more
00:23:27.180 it makes a greater
00:23:28.960 danger
00:23:29.420 and they're more
00:23:30.360 likely to be predated
00:23:31.480 on totally apart
00:23:32.620 from the trans issue
00:23:33.520 because they've learned
00:23:34.520 that they can't say
00:23:35.420 that they feel
00:23:35.940 uncomfortable
00:23:36.440 it's so dangerous
00:23:38.620 exactly the opposite
00:23:39.540 of the instincts
00:23:40.160 that we are born with
00:23:41.560 and that we used to
00:23:43.020 and some of us still
00:23:43.920 cultivate in our children
00:23:45.320 you know
00:23:45.680 listen to that sixth sense
00:23:47.100 that's your friend
00:23:47.800 don't reject that
00:23:48.920 in order to be
00:23:50.020 considered nice
00:23:51.400 or polite
00:23:52.280 that's your sense of fear
00:23:54.200 like listen to it
00:23:55.460 abide by it
00:23:56.640 and all of these
00:23:57.680 trusted authorities
00:23:58.400 are trying to snuff it
00:23:59.580 right out of our children
00:24:00.500 you know
00:24:01.400 I want to talk about
00:24:02.360 the censorship
00:24:02.800 and I'll get back
00:24:03.520 to the dangers
00:24:04.040 to the women
00:24:04.540 in the single spaces
00:24:05.300 because I want to talk
00:24:05.900 about auto-gynophiles
00:24:06.900 which you've done
00:24:07.700 such great reporting on
00:24:08.740 but on the subject
00:24:10.560 of censorship
00:24:11.100 you raise such good points
00:24:12.980 about this
00:24:13.500 about how important
00:24:15.220 the censorship
00:24:16.480 going on
00:24:17.360 from our authorities
00:24:19.000 but in particular
00:24:19.980 in the journalism field
00:24:20.940 your field and mine
00:24:22.340 has been
00:24:23.820 to perpetuating
00:24:25.280 these myths
00:24:26.780 and the growth
00:24:27.720 the explosion
00:24:28.680 of this trans ideology
00:24:30.860 amongst our children
00:24:31.900 the social media
00:24:33.100 and the censorship regime
00:24:34.840 and I want to talk
00:24:36.400 about that
00:24:36.660 but I also want to
00:24:37.120 talk about the fact
00:24:37.580 that this is one
00:24:38.560 of the reasons
00:24:38.880 why I think Elon Musk
00:24:39.900 has been so so so important
00:24:41.280 to expanding the national debate
00:24:43.220 I know he takes a beating
00:24:44.300 by some on the left
00:24:45.980 because he sends out
00:24:46.720 strange tweets sometimes
00:24:48.400 and so who cares
00:24:49.140 this guy is the greatest
00:24:50.780 free speech warrior
00:24:51.600 that we have
00:24:52.380 in the modern day world
00:24:53.880 because of him
00:24:55.080 we can have these discussions
00:24:56.140 on at least one
00:24:57.680 of our social media platforms
00:24:59.020 and we couldn't
00:25:00.660 and I really think
00:25:01.540 that his takeover
00:25:02.360 at Twitter
00:25:02.740 has helped change
00:25:04.260 the polling on this
00:25:06.180 the American sentiment
00:25:07.300 on this
00:25:08.020 people's awareness
00:25:09.520 of the problems
00:25:10.240 and the true facts
00:25:11.140 but can you speak
00:25:12.060 to the social media
00:25:12.940 and the role it plays
00:25:14.600 in all of this
00:25:15.140 completely
00:25:16.340 I mean the first thing
00:25:17.380 to say is that social media
00:25:18.440 has spread this social contagion
00:25:20.100 so what we are seeing
00:25:21.540 is a social contagion
00:25:22.700 and there have been
00:25:23.620 many social contagions
00:25:24.760 throughout history
00:25:25.560 but they weren't able
00:25:26.740 to be spread
00:25:27.520 in real time
00:25:29.080 between children
00:25:30.220 without adults present
00:25:32.220 so they were spread
00:25:33.380 by newspapers
00:25:34.100 by broadcast media
00:25:36.420 and then before that
00:25:37.460 by the medical profession itself
00:25:38.800 but this was all very slow
00:25:39.920 now they're spread
00:25:41.500 well it was Tumblr
00:25:42.340 until relatively recently
00:25:43.600 and now it's TikTok
00:25:44.480 and adults are mostly
00:25:46.380 not on those platforms
00:25:47.480 so children are telling
00:25:48.600 each other
00:25:48.900 the most horrifying falsehoods
00:25:51.480 you know telling children
00:25:52.420 that you must
00:25:53.040 like children talking
00:25:54.380 to other children
00:25:55.080 saying you must explore
00:25:56.580 your gender
00:25:57.100 you know if you think
00:25:58.220 you're trans
00:25:58.660 you probably are
00:25:59.660 and puberty blockers
00:26:00.640 are harmless
00:26:01.140 any lie that you can think of
00:26:02.660 to do with this
00:26:03.440 children are saying
00:26:04.640 without adults
00:26:05.520 stepping in and saying
00:26:06.720 that's not true
00:26:07.660 that's incorrect
00:26:08.500 so that's the first thing
00:26:09.780 about social media
00:26:10.500 is that it's spread
00:26:11.300 this contagion
00:26:12.140 and then the second thing
00:26:13.460 is that the people
00:26:14.100 who work for the social media
00:26:15.340 platforms are by and large
00:26:17.060 men
00:26:17.740 men who are in tech
00:26:19.500 and men who are
00:26:20.600 on the west coast of America
00:26:21.740 and these are people
00:26:23.020 who do not think
00:26:23.700 about children's needs
00:26:24.740 and safeguarding
00:26:25.640 they're people who do not
00:26:26.440 think about women's needs
00:26:27.560 and women's specific
00:26:28.380 vulnerabilities
00:26:28.940 and they've mostly
00:26:30.600 been university educated
00:26:32.000 and therefore in the last
00:26:33.060 10 or 20 years
00:26:33.860 quite seriously indoctrinated
00:26:35.380 and so they have
00:26:37.220 by and large
00:26:38.260 said that their rules
00:26:39.660 which were meant to stop
00:26:40.540 for example
00:26:41.100 the n-word
00:26:41.860 or you know
00:26:43.340 anti-semitism
00:26:44.300 or pile on harassment
00:26:46.200 of people
00:26:46.860 that they include
00:26:48.440 under that
00:26:48.940 what they call
00:26:49.600 misgendering
00:26:50.500 which is referring
00:26:51.720 to somebody's sex 0.84
00:26:52.660 when that person
00:26:53.240 doesn't want their sex 1.00
00:26:54.000 referred to
00:26:54.640 so I have
00:26:55.860 for the entire time
00:26:56.660 that I have been tweeting
00:26:57.460 about all of this
00:26:58.260 I have had to be
00:26:58.780 very very careful
00:26:59.720 on Twitter
00:27:00.260 until very recently
00:27:02.020 not to say
00:27:03.180 true things
00:27:04.100 true obvious things
00:27:05.020 like Rachel Levine
00:27:05.880 as a man
00:27:06.300 because I would lose
00:27:07.400 my Twitter account
00:27:08.180 and I still am a bit
00:27:09.880 careful
00:27:10.580 but Elon Musk
00:27:11.760 thank Elon Musk
00:27:12.940 so much for this
00:27:13.980 I mean
00:27:14.380 I'm not making a comment
00:27:15.940 on how he runs his platform
00:27:17.040 I'm not qualified
00:27:17.940 to do so
00:27:18.580 but the relief
00:27:19.700 of being able to say
00:27:20.920 trans women are men 1.00
00:27:22.020 which is a factually
00:27:22.960 correct statement
00:27:23.700 without losing my account
00:27:25.580 is very significant
00:27:26.760 it's very meaningful
00:27:27.740 and it has moved
00:27:28.400 the discourse considerably
00:27:29.480 yeah
00:27:30.620 I mean
00:27:31.140 I have to say
00:27:31.960 I'd be remiss
00:27:32.760 if I didn't point out
00:27:33.560 YouTube has been supportive
00:27:35.320 of this program
00:27:36.480 in that they have not
00:27:37.680 struck a single video
00:27:39.320 of ours
00:27:39.840 talking about
00:27:41.040 this very charged issue
00:27:42.660 and I respect them
00:27:44.300 for that
00:27:44.600 I know they've gone
00:27:45.680 after others
00:27:46.080 they took down me and Jordan
00:27:46.520 yeah they took down
00:27:47.680 my interview with Jordan Peterson
00:27:48.800 and I think that was because
00:27:50.580 like we don't know
00:27:51.260 they don't tell you
00:27:51.860 why they did it
00:27:52.500 but the email just says
00:27:53.460 that you know
00:27:53.880 you broke their hate speech
00:27:54.900 policy or something
00:27:55.720 we think it was because
00:27:57.120 we referred to Elliot
00:27:58.200 slash Ellen Page
00:27:59.240 as a woman
00:27:59.760 but she is a woman
00:28:01.680 yeah
00:28:02.500 I mean we've done
00:28:03.680 we've done that
00:28:04.800 on this show
00:28:05.440 and they haven't
00:28:06.820 they haven't
00:28:07.820 struck our videos
00:28:08.940 I don't
00:28:09.400 I don't know
00:28:10.420 I haven't spoken to YouTube
00:28:11.340 about this Helen
00:28:12.160 my feeling is
00:28:13.240 I think
00:28:14.600 YouTube understands
00:28:15.700 that
00:28:16.340 I am speaking out
00:28:18.680 on behalf of women
00:28:19.740 and that women 1.00
00:28:21.160 have the right
00:28:22.080 to be heard
00:28:22.800 on this issue
00:28:23.780 and not to have
00:28:24.900 our speech
00:28:25.600 policed
00:28:26.380 or curtailed
00:28:27.500 at every corner
00:28:28.360 such that we lose
00:28:29.580 the debate
00:28:30.020 before we've actually
00:28:30.900 had it
00:28:31.360 I think they understand
00:28:33.000 that
00:28:33.320 I do think
00:28:34.060 maybe they're
00:28:35.000 more tolerant
00:28:36.080 of this program
00:28:36.900 because I'm a woman
00:28:37.640 you know
00:28:38.320 maybe Jordan
00:28:38.840 gets hit harder
00:28:39.600 because he's a man
00:28:40.420 and irrespective
00:28:41.600 of who the guest is
00:28:42.380 I don't know
00:28:43.540 maybe
00:28:43.760 and maybe
00:28:44.320 maybe I'm
00:28:44.740 tempting the bear 0.70
00:28:45.340 right now
00:28:45.820 I don't know
00:28:46.580 I mean my video
00:28:47.400 was up for a year
00:28:48.180 my video was up
00:28:49.660 for a year
00:28:49.960 before they took it down
00:28:50.820 that one with Jordan
00:28:51.600 so I don't know
00:28:53.580 I mean I think
00:28:54.400 it's probably true
00:28:55.020 that he gets mass reported
00:28:56.100 a lot more than you do
00:28:57.180 I mean he's really
00:28:58.620 a bugbear
00:28:59.240 to a bunch of people
00:29:00.300 who really hate him
00:29:01.980 I mean I actually think
00:29:02.720 he's fascinating
00:29:03.340 like I disagree with him
00:29:04.480 on loads of things
00:29:05.060 but you know
00:29:05.480 part of the free speech thing
00:29:06.800 is that disagreement
00:29:08.200 can be really useful
00:29:09.300 you know my commitment
00:29:10.660 to free speech
00:29:11.360 I was very committed
00:29:12.260 to free speech
00:29:12.820 before I became
00:29:13.840 involved in the gender wars
00:29:15.460 I'm now as near
00:29:16.540 as you can be
00:29:17.060 to a free speech absolutist
00:29:18.440 without thinking
00:29:19.040 that you should be allowed
00:29:19.840 to shout you know
00:29:20.900 fire in a crowded theatre
00:29:21.920 or whatever the examples are
00:29:23.300 and the reason is
00:29:24.560 because I've seen us
00:29:25.560 go so horrendously
00:29:26.600 off the rails on this
00:29:27.540 that I'm willing to have
00:29:28.760 people say things
00:29:30.020 that are wrong
00:29:30.660 as long as I can say
00:29:32.100 to them
00:29:32.400 this is why you're wrong
00:29:33.480 you know
00:29:34.440 I test my ideas
00:29:35.380 by talking to people
00:29:36.240 who come from
00:29:36.720 different points of view
00:29:37.600 than mine
00:29:38.240 and that includes Jordan
00:29:39.380 he and I really do not
00:29:40.500 share the same
00:29:41.440 intellectual framework
00:29:42.480 at all
00:29:43.040 but I learnt more
00:29:44.340 from talking to him
00:29:45.140 than talking to people
00:29:45.920 who are closer to me
00:29:46.880 in viewpoint
00:29:47.800 because obviously
00:29:49.620 he was giving me
00:29:50.420 things I'd never
00:29:51.380 thought of before
00:29:52.060 because his viewpoint
00:29:52.860 is different to mine
00:29:53.740 this is kind of obvious
00:29:54.660 you know
00:29:55.040 you expand your mind
00:29:56.440 by talking to all sorts
00:29:57.460 of different people
00:29:58.300 that I couldn't agree more
00:30:00.260 we're going through this
00:30:01.220 as a
00:30:02.160 I don't know
00:30:02.900 as a culture
00:30:03.360 as a journalistic profession
00:30:04.660 I think on Ukraine
00:30:05.940 or with certainly
00:30:06.660 within the Republican Party
00:30:07.720 because you've got
00:30:08.680 half of the Republican Party
00:30:09.720 who's saying
00:30:10.360 you know
00:30:10.940 we need to pursue
00:30:11.820 the Reagan policy
00:30:12.640 in Ukraine
00:30:13.080 and we need to lead first
00:30:14.320 and it's you know
00:30:15.220 America by example
00:30:16.180 not America last 0.79
00:30:17.080 and then a growing segment
00:30:19.200 within the Republican Party
00:30:20.140 that doesn't support the war
00:30:21.300 and is saying
00:30:21.920 no we need to get out
00:30:22.680 this is ridiculous
00:30:23.300 we don't have US interest there
00:30:24.360 and I had many people ask me
00:30:26.540 where I stand on it
00:30:27.440 and where I stand is
00:30:28.220 I want as many opinions
00:30:29.320 as possible on this show
00:30:30.340 so people can make up
00:30:31.120 their own minds
00:30:31.600 I don't need to take a position
00:30:33.200 on Ukraine
00:30:33.620 I just need to expose
00:30:34.760 my audience
00:30:35.300 to smart people
00:30:36.840 arguing both sides
00:30:37.880 and I trust them
00:30:38.460 to make up their minds
00:30:39.260 you know
00:30:39.880 this is not the place to come
00:30:40.940 if you just want to hear
00:30:41.640 one point point of view
00:30:42.520 argued and argued well
00:30:43.540 over and over and over
00:30:44.400 right it's like
00:30:45.020 I would like the audience
00:30:46.680 on a sticky wicket issue
00:30:48.380 like that
00:30:49.080 to have everything
00:30:50.240 exposed to them
00:30:50.940 now I confess
00:30:52.060 when it comes to
00:30:52.920 this issue
00:30:53.560 that you and I are discussing
00:30:54.500 I really just
00:30:55.540 it's fine to discuss
00:30:56.680 the other side's arguments
00:30:57.500 but I
00:30:58.560 I think that they're
00:30:59.800 so abhorrent
00:31:00.480 I think that this is a group
00:31:01.940 that's serially
00:31:02.720 abusing young children
00:31:03.960 I can't imagine
00:31:05.720 over and over
00:31:07.120 platforming their views
00:31:08.040 we've had trans people
00:31:08.980 on the show
00:31:09.440 we've talked about
00:31:10.380 these issues openly
00:31:11.040 and honestly
00:31:11.480 but in no way
00:31:12.860 could I give credence
00:31:13.680 to the other side
00:31:14.220 of the argument
00:31:14.680 in the way that I am to you
00:31:16.220 well actually
00:31:17.580 I think it'd be brilliant
00:31:18.620 if you had them on
00:31:19.440 and the reason I think
00:31:20.240 that is because
00:31:20.780 they do themselves
00:31:21.560 so much more harm
00:31:23.020 than I can possibly
00:31:23.860 ever do
00:31:24.360 so if you had two hours
00:31:25.900 in which Rachel Levine
00:31:26.780 had to actually answer
00:31:27.760 straight questions
00:31:28.560 or evade the answers
00:31:30.020 that'd be so much
00:31:31.880 more powerful
00:31:32.340 than anything else
00:31:32.900 and that is why
00:31:33.880 Rachel would not
00:31:34.520 come on the show
00:31:35.160 yeah right
00:31:36.060 so that's why
00:31:36.560 they say no debate
00:31:37.500 because we call it
00:31:38.840 myself and my friends
00:31:39.980 in Sex Matter
00:31:40.760 is the organisation
00:31:41.460 I work for now
00:31:42.320 we call it
00:31:42.940 Operation Let Them Speak
00:31:44.720 because when you get
00:31:46.460 as happened here
00:31:47.300 a couple of weeks ago
00:31:48.180 at London Trans Pride
00:31:49.900 when you get
00:31:50.660 I mean you may
00:31:51.300 you may or may not
00:31:52.060 have seen this
00:31:52.500 so I'll tell the story
00:31:53.300 so it's a trans woman
00:31:54.980 called Sarah Jane Baker
00:31:56.160 so that's a man
00:31:57.420 a man who was called
00:31:58.300 Alan Baker
00:31:58.880 he was sent to jail
00:32:00.240 for kidnapping
00:32:02.620 and torturing
00:32:03.360 a young man
00:32:04.120 and then when he was
00:32:05.360 in jail
00:32:05.840 he tried to kill
00:32:06.580 his cellmate
00:32:07.200 he spent 30 years
00:32:08.240 in jail
00:32:08.740 during which time
00:32:09.940 he insisted
00:32:10.460 that he was a woman
00:32:11.320 and he actually
00:32:12.480 cut off his own testicles
00:32:13.660 and ate them
00:32:14.260 in his cell
00:32:14.920 so this is a very
00:32:16.620 seriously disturbed man
00:32:18.040 he has said
00:32:18.620 that he has many
00:32:19.320 serious psychiatric disorders
00:32:21.580 he has revealed
00:32:22.600 that himself
00:32:23.160 he's now out
00:32:24.380 and he is campaigning
00:32:25.700 for trans women
00:32:27.000 men like him
00:32:27.980 to be held
00:32:28.540 in the female estate 0.96
00:32:29.460 to be put in women's prisons 1.00
00:32:30.520 so he was a speaker
00:32:32.280 at London Trans Pride
00:32:33.620 quite recently
00:32:34.440 in the last week or two
00:32:35.400 and he stood on the stage
00:32:37.140 and he said
00:32:38.040 fuck turfs
00:32:39.200 if you see a turf
00:32:40.960 fuck them
00:32:41.600 in the
00:32:41.800 fuck her in the 1.00
00:32:42.720 sorry
00:32:43.240 punch her in the fucking face 1.00
00:32:44.400 and he got a massive cheer
00:32:46.780 and this was all captured
00:32:47.680 on video
00:32:48.180 I think that's more powerful
00:32:49.620 than anything I can say
00:32:50.720 like I can say
00:32:51.860 this is a violent movement
00:32:52.980 that doesn't care 0.59
00:32:53.680 about women's rights
00:32:54.500 but you know
00:32:55.340 when you look at
00:32:55.800 Sarah Jane Baker
00:32:56.440 you can see it's a man
00:32:57.380 and there's a man
00:32:58.820 saying punch women 1.00
00:32:59.700 in the face
00:33:00.320 it's brilliant
00:33:01.060 let them speak
00:33:02.300 you're right
00:33:03.460 I will confess to you
00:33:05.200 it would be hard
00:33:05.840 for me to control
00:33:06.420 my anger
00:33:06.920 in such an
00:33:07.640 you know
00:33:08.040 certainly of that guy
00:33:09.280 but if somebody put
00:33:10.700 you know
00:33:11.840 maybe I need to settle
00:33:12.780 on this more
00:33:13.560 until I can actually do it
00:33:14.740 because you never want
00:33:15.800 the audience
00:33:16.240 to say yes to you
00:33:17.180 no they're not
00:33:18.400 they're not
00:33:18.740 they're not
00:33:19.060 but I don't know
00:33:20.340 I mean
00:33:20.580 we've had trans people
00:33:22.120 on the show
00:33:22.760 I know you know
00:33:23.640 Caitlyn Jenner
00:33:24.260 has been on the show
00:33:25.420 and would come on
00:33:26.140 again I think
00:33:26.880 but Caitlyn Jenner
00:33:28.200 is not like these other people
00:33:29.260 I know Caitlyn Jenner
00:33:30.700 is controversial
00:33:31.360 and not everybody's
00:33:32.660 on board with Caitlyn
00:33:33.680 and Caitlyn's approach
00:33:34.900 to this whole thing
00:33:35.500 but you know
00:33:37.140 I don't think
00:33:37.760 I think there's a world
00:33:38.400 of difference
00:33:38.800 between Caitlyn Jenner
00:33:39.720 and some of these activists
00:33:41.000 that we're talking about
00:33:42.020 who won't acknowledge
00:33:43.820 that they're biological men
00:33:45.000 right
00:33:45.440 that hasn't been Caitlyn's position
00:33:46.860 yeah
00:33:47.880 yeah
00:33:48.340 so I guess in that situation
00:33:49.440 what a journalist can do
00:33:50.480 is what journalists always do
00:33:51.800 when you have
00:33:52.480 a story that's worth telling
00:33:54.080 but you can't get comment
00:33:55.820 is that you use
00:33:57.120 whatever footage is available
00:33:58.180 so you show the footage
00:33:59.940 of Sarah Jane Baker
00:34:00.840 inciting a crowd
00:34:02.240 to violence against women
00:34:03.320 for demanding women's rights
00:34:04.480 I have been shocked
00:34:06.480 by the dereliction of duty
00:34:08.000 by journalists
00:34:08.660 on this topic
00:34:09.480 I mean you are a shining exception
00:34:10.820 obviously
00:34:11.260 and there are some others
00:34:12.280 but I have never seen
00:34:14.580 a story treated
00:34:15.400 with so little professionalism
00:34:17.480 and so little balance
00:34:18.800 I don't know what happened
00:34:21.420 I mean
00:34:21.860 you know
00:34:22.420 this is an ideology
00:34:23.140 that turns institutions
00:34:24.840 upside down
00:34:25.560 it doesn't just
00:34:26.340 knock them off course
00:34:27.560 it turns them around
00:34:29.020 so they start working
00:34:30.180 against the exact thing
00:34:31.580 that they were set up
00:34:32.520 to work for
00:34:33.620 so you see journalists
00:34:35.360 saying they want censorship
00:34:36.660 yeah
00:34:37.840 I mean
00:34:38.100 the most extraordinary example
00:34:39.300 is all the gay rights organisations 0.99
00:34:40.920 that are now
00:34:41.580 actively campaigning
00:34:43.120 to sterilise
00:34:44.420 little gay boys 0.97
00:34:45.480 I mean
00:34:46.620 it's the most extraordinary thing
00:34:48.100 when you register this fact
00:34:49.260 that people like Stonewall
00:34:50.560 and the
00:34:51.040 GLA-AD
00:34:52.300 and the HRC
00:34:53.900 what they are campaigning for
00:34:55.940 is a medical protocol
00:34:57.980 that puts
00:34:59.300 disproportionately
00:35:00.920 children who are going
00:35:01.920 to grow up gay
00:35:02.700 on a pathway
00:35:04.420 to being unable
00:35:05.260 to orgasm 0.52
00:35:06.020 to being unable
00:35:08.240 to reproduce
00:35:09.060 and to presenting
00:35:10.700 themselves
00:35:11.240 as simulacra
00:35:12.380 of the opposite sex 1.00
00:35:13.300 but straight
00:35:13.940 I can think of
00:35:15.380 nothing more homophobic
00:35:17.180 or wicked
00:35:17.740 to do to gay people 1.00
00:35:19.100 than to chop up
00:35:20.700 their bodies
00:35:21.120 and turn them into
00:35:22.000 pretend straight people
00:35:23.040 of the opposite sex 1.00
00:35:23.900 and yet
00:35:24.680 the people
00:35:25.500 who are campaigning
00:35:26.260 for that
00:35:26.700 are the gay rights organisations
00:35:28.140 and so journalism
00:35:29.980 has been turned
00:35:30.760 on its head
00:35:31.380 as well
00:35:32.100 like journalists
00:35:32.760 are now pro-censorship
00:35:34.260 they're pro-telling lies
00:35:36.220 about this topic
00:35:37.460 as long as it's
00:35:38.420 for the greater good
00:35:39.540 you know
00:35:40.420 I'm ashamed
00:35:40.820 to call myself
00:35:41.520 a journalist
00:35:41.980 some days
00:35:42.580 when I look
00:35:42.960 at what people
00:35:43.440 are putting out
00:35:44.020 under the name
00:35:44.540 of journalism
00:35:44.980 on this
00:35:45.560 this is like
00:35:46.560 a horror movie
00:35:47.500 it's true
00:35:48.280 it is
00:35:48.640 a horror film
00:35:49.600 that can't actually
00:35:50.440 be real
00:35:51.000 and we didn't even
00:35:52.080 mention
00:35:52.580 the women's groups
00:35:53.900 you know
00:35:54.480 so many
00:35:55.220 so-called feminists 1.00
00:35:57.020 who are on
00:35:58.360 the entirely
00:35:59.040 wrong side
00:36:00.000 of this
00:36:00.580 like
00:36:01.300 Megan Rapinoe
00:36:03.360 who was in the news
00:36:04.400 just this week
00:36:04.900 the soccer player
00:36:05.580 saying you know
00:36:06.160 oh where are all
00:36:06.860 these alleged trans people
00:36:07.960 who are taking
00:36:08.480 women's opportunities
00:36:09.220 in sport
00:36:09.780 why don't you try
00:36:10.620 reading the news
00:36:11.400 try reading the news
00:36:12.500 instead of just
00:36:13.080 staying on your
00:36:13.500 liberal social media
00:36:15.120 platforms
00:36:15.760 because the facts
00:36:16.920 are everywhere
00:36:17.400 I know
00:36:18.640 it's as if
00:36:19.080 I mean
00:36:19.440 it's literally
00:36:20.100 the opposite
00:36:20.720 of what they
00:36:21.240 should be doing
00:36:21.740 it's not like
00:36:23.060 they're just
00:36:23.440 not doing
00:36:23.920 feminism
00:36:24.380 it's they're
00:36:25.320 doing
00:36:25.580 anti-women's
00:36:26.640 rights
00:36:27.000 so I mean
00:36:28.260 I know
00:36:28.720 because I talked
00:36:29.400 also to the
00:36:30.160 girls who had 0.97
00:36:30.860 to compete
00:36:31.240 with trans athletes
00:36:32.060 in high school
00:36:32.660 and I quoted
00:36:33.180 some of them
00:36:33.580 in my book
00:36:34.120 and I know
00:36:35.020 I talked to them
00:36:35.680 and their mothers
00:36:36.120 and so on
00:36:36.660 and their mothers
00:36:37.160 thought
00:36:37.580 well I know
00:36:38.660 who I'll approach
00:36:39.540 I'll approach
00:36:40.060 the National
00:36:40.440 Organization for
00:36:41.240 Women 1.00
00:36:41.460 I'll approach
00:36:42.240 I forget
00:36:42.580 the name of it
00:36:43.100 but there's
00:36:43.880 a law centre
00:36:44.820 that's specifically
00:36:45.560 for women's rights
00:36:46.520 like they're
00:36:47.340 specifically the
00:36:48.140 organisations
00:36:48.700 that should have
00:36:49.340 supported
00:36:49.940 women standing up
00:36:51.600 against the intrusion
00:36:52.360 of men
00:36:52.800 into women's
00:36:53.440 sports
00:36:53.860 and yet
00:36:54.680 those organisations
00:36:55.520 are now
00:36:55.980 actively campaigning
00:36:57.440 to destroy
00:36:58.220 women's sports
00:36:59.180 and they're
00:37:00.760 actively campaigning
00:37:01.880 to centre men
00:37:03.180 in women's spaces 0.86
00:37:04.460 to make it all
00:37:05.960 about the men
00:37:06.640 I mean
00:37:07.320 you know
00:37:07.760 in the sense
00:37:08.500 when you
00:37:09.060 you know
00:37:09.300 men's rights
00:37:09.700 activist
00:37:10.040 could mean
00:37:10.720 you know
00:37:11.060 I'm standing up
00:37:11.540 for men's rights
00:37:12.040 and I'm all for that
00:37:12.880 I don't hate men
00:37:13.780 but we normally
00:37:14.880 when we say
00:37:15.320 men's rights
00:37:15.800 activist
00:37:16.140 we mean
00:37:16.640 the horrible
00:37:17.240 misogynistic
00:37:18.360 you know
00:37:19.000 kind of
00:37:21.000 incel types
00:37:21.880 like these
00:37:23.000 women's organisations
00:37:24.040 yeah
00:37:24.800 they're like
00:37:25.640 incels
00:37:26.120 honestly
00:37:26.600 so those
00:37:27.880 feminists
00:37:28.220 they're as bad
00:37:28.880 as incels
00:37:29.520 they say
00:37:30.480 things like
00:37:31.160 if a man
00:37:31.740 you know
00:37:31.920 if a trans woman
00:37:32.480 flashes her penis 1.00
00:37:33.720 at you
00:37:34.140 look away
00:37:34.880 that is an
00:37:35.720 incel argument
00:37:36.620 there's no such
00:37:38.140 thing as her penis 1.00
00:37:38.940 I mean
00:37:39.520 but this all
00:37:40.160 goes back
00:37:40.600 to the opening
00:37:41.400 line
00:37:41.840 and the woman 0.95
00:37:42.600 I mentioned
00:37:43.040 is Kelly Robinson
00:37:43.780 who is the head
00:37:44.680 of human rights
00:37:45.200 campaign
00:37:45.620 the one
00:37:46.280 that we mentioned
00:37:46.800 right off the top
00:37:47.580 who that used
00:37:48.620 to be just pro-gay 0.98
00:37:49.560 and gay rights
00:37:50.320 and now
00:37:50.800 is giving out
00:37:51.700 these equity
00:37:53.360 scores to a
00:37:54.240 corporate America
00:37:54.880 and they're bending
00:37:55.560 the knee to this
00:37:56.180 woman with the
00:37:56.920 trans women
00:37:57.980 are women 0.97
00:37:58.580 that's it
00:37:59.420 that's the tweet
00:38:00.180 it's important
00:38:01.340 that we not
00:38:02.400 refer to that
00:38:03.260 trans women
00:38:04.100 as men
00:38:05.680 because of the
00:38:07.040 issues that we're
00:38:07.540 discussing
00:38:07.920 right back to
00:38:08.860 if this is a
00:38:09.880 debate between
00:38:10.460 men and women
00:38:11.140 about who gets
00:38:11.800 to come into
00:38:12.300 women's spaces
00:38:13.060 and sports
00:38:13.920 and so on
00:38:14.520 we win
00:38:15.220 if this is a
00:38:16.220 debate between
00:38:16.800 women and women
00:38:18.020 who just happen
00:38:18.700 to have a
00:38:19.060 different point
00:38:19.500 of view
00:38:19.860 they're going
00:38:20.380 to side
00:38:20.860 with identity
00:38:21.640 politics
00:38:22.240 with the
00:38:22.840 wokesters
00:38:23.160 with the
00:38:23.540 people who
00:38:23.840 have aligned
00:38:24.160 with the
00:38:24.400 political left
00:38:25.060 but that's
00:38:25.980 that's not
00:38:26.760 the what's
00:38:28.040 happening here
00:38:28.600 that's not
00:38:29.180 what the
00:38:29.620 debate is
00:38:30.120 these are
00:38:31.380 men trying
00:38:32.160 to get into
00:38:32.540 our spaces
00:38:32.920 these are
00:38:33.240 men
00:38:33.380 in many cases
00:38:34.320 people who
00:38:34.840 live their
00:38:35.200 entire lives
00:38:35.880 as men
00:38:36.240 and about
00:38:36.820 two minutes
00:38:37.280 ago
00:38:37.580 declared that
00:38:38.600 they were
00:38:39.040 women 1.00
00:38:39.460 and then got
00:38:40.320 a free pass
00:38:41.000 into all of
00:38:41.480 our sports
00:38:41.900 into our jobs
00:38:42.560 and are calling
00:38:42.980 them the first
00:38:43.480 woman ever 0.83
00:38:44.020 Rachel Levine
00:38:45.040 the first
00:38:45.620 female admiral
00:38:46.800 no she isn't
00:38:47.940 he isn't
00:38:48.660 he's a man
00:38:49.400 yeah
00:38:50.560 exactly
00:38:51.820 exactly
00:38:52.500 exactly
00:38:52.980 exactly
00:38:53.520 I mean
00:38:54.200 you lose
00:38:55.020 it all
00:38:55.480 when you say
00:38:56.360 they're women 1.00
00:38:56.780 and you win
00:38:57.940 it all
00:38:58.260 when you say
00:38:58.760 they're men
00:38:59.100 which is why
00:38:59.540 they don't
00:38:59.840 want us
00:39:00.180 to say it
00:39:00.820 it's so clear
00:39:02.340 when you say
00:39:03.080 it in clear
00:39:03.500 language
00:39:03.960 and why
00:39:04.340 we must
00:39:04.720 exactly
00:39:05.160 and then
00:39:05.900 the language
00:39:06.280 is also
00:39:06.740 deliberately
00:39:07.220 confusing
00:39:07.860 like
00:39:08.260 in normies
00:39:09.160 who haven't
00:39:09.560 been paying
00:39:10.000 much attention
00:39:10.520 to this
00:39:10.940 debate
00:39:11.480 often wonder
00:39:12.360 it was the
00:39:13.500 first question
00:39:13.980 I was asked
00:39:14.460 whenever I tried
00:39:15.040 to explain
00:39:15.520 what I was
00:39:15.940 working on
00:39:16.480 as a journalist
00:39:17.140 and then
00:39:17.540 from my book
00:39:18.080 people would say
00:39:19.200 when they worked
00:39:20.160 out that I wasn't
00:39:21.020 going to you know
00:39:21.760 report them
00:39:22.300 for wrong think
00:39:23.020 or call them
00:39:24.180 a bigot
00:39:24.560 and cut them
00:39:25.000 off permanently
00:39:25.640 they would say
00:39:26.520 oh can I just
00:39:26.960 check with you
00:39:27.460 am I so many
00:39:28.020 questions about this
00:39:28.880 is a trans woman
00:39:30.080 a woman 0.57
00:39:30.660 who thinks
00:39:31.280 she's a man
00:39:32.120 or a man
00:39:33.220 who thinks
00:39:33.700 he's a woman
00:39:34.300 like so straight away
00:39:36.000 people just don't know
00:39:36.740 the most basic
00:39:37.640 things about this
00:39:38.640 because the terminology
00:39:39.460 is so confusing
00:39:40.600 I always say
00:39:41.660 to my audience
00:39:42.040 listen if you
00:39:42.740 want a quick
00:39:43.320 you know
00:39:44.220 a helpful
00:39:44.700 hint to figure
00:39:45.740 out what this
00:39:46.200 language is
00:39:46.680 if they're saying
00:39:47.460 if you replace
00:39:48.260 the word trans
00:39:49.160 with fake
00:39:49.900 it's very helpful
00:39:51.220 trans woman
00:39:52.080 means fake
00:39:52.580 or not
00:39:53.040 yeah not
00:39:54.240 is another good one
00:39:55.060 trans means
00:39:55.700 not
00:39:55.940 right right
00:39:56.100 or not
00:39:56.720 exactly
00:39:57.020 just a good
00:39:57.620 quick mnemonic
00:39:58.700 because even
00:39:59.660 when I listen
00:40:00.320 to people say
00:40:00.780 trans woman
00:40:01.380 trans woman
00:40:01.940 trans man
00:40:02.440 I'm like
00:40:02.740 who is it again
00:40:03.740 what does that mean
00:40:04.440 if you just
00:40:05.080 replace it with fake
00:40:05.820 or not
00:40:06.300 you're there
00:40:07.080 alright
00:40:07.460 standby Helen
00:40:08.120 we're gonna squeeze
00:40:08.660 in a quick break
00:40:09.360 the whole show
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00:40:11.220 is here today
00:40:11.900 so thrilled
00:40:12.660 isn't she brilliant
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00:40:30.220 a shot as you used
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00:40:45.440 so Helen
00:40:49.540 I didn't get
00:40:50.140 to the third
00:40:50.740 danger
00:40:51.860 to allowing men
00:40:53.160 into women's spaces
00:40:54.180 we talked about
00:40:54.920 sexual predators
00:40:56.960 we talked about
00:40:57.720 the possibility
00:40:58.420 of pedophiles
00:40:59.200 but
00:41:00.000 there's also
00:41:01.360 the Leah Thomas
00:41:02.100 danger
00:41:02.560 and that is
00:41:03.640 the danger
00:41:04.280 of men
00:41:05.700 who have
00:41:06.560 autogynephilia
00:41:07.660 now we don't
00:41:08.480 know for sure
00:41:09.020 that Leah Thomas
00:41:09.640 has autogynephilia
00:41:10.620 but the Daily Wire
00:41:11.980 did an in-depth
00:41:12.740 report on Leah Thomas
00:41:13.840 social media
00:41:14.580 which strongly
00:41:15.620 suggests
00:41:16.280 that Leah Thomas
00:41:17.320 is an autogynephile
00:41:18.380 your book
00:41:19.440 spends a lot
00:41:19.960 of time
00:41:20.360 talking about
00:41:21.100 Ray Blanchard
00:41:22.380 who is
00:41:23.800 a sexologist
00:41:24.620 who coined
00:41:25.500 this terminology
00:41:26.520 and it's an
00:41:27.720 important term
00:41:28.900 to understand
00:41:29.820 because according
00:41:30.720 to your book
00:41:31.260 looking at
00:41:32.040 Blanchard's
00:41:34.200 reporting
00:41:35.240 as many as
00:41:36.720 82%
00:41:37.960 of straight
00:41:39.660 trans
00:41:40.700 people
00:41:41.640 like men 0.69
00:41:42.820 who claim
00:41:43.200 they're women 1.00
00:41:43.740 who are not
00:41:44.600 gay 0.99
00:41:44.980 are in fact
00:41:46.260 autogynephile
00:41:48.540 autogynephiles
00:41:49.840 so can you
00:41:50.460 explain what
00:41:51.100 that is
00:41:51.540 sure
00:41:52.740 and I'm
00:41:53.420 going to say
00:41:53.800 before I start
00:41:54.500 though that I
00:41:55.080 don't care
00:41:55.460 what a man's
00:41:55.960 motivation for
00:41:56.720 coming into
00:41:57.120 women's spaces
00:41:57.660 is he's not
00:41:58.680 welcome
00:41:58.980 I don't care
00:42:00.240 if he's very
00:42:00.680 sincere
00:42:01.160 I don't care
00:42:01.860 if he's not
00:42:02.460 a pervert
00:42:02.960 I don't care
00:42:03.660 if he's gay
00:42:04.120 or straight
00:42:04.600 it's a women's 0.89
00:42:05.680 space
00:42:05.960 he is not
00:42:06.840 welcome
00:42:07.320 as they say
00:42:08.520 good men
00:42:09.140 keep out
00:42:09.860 so that we
00:42:10.480 can give
00:42:10.760 everybody else
00:42:11.320 out
00:42:11.620 I don't
00:42:12.480 allow my
00:42:12.920 husband
00:42:13.220 I don't
00:42:13.720 allow my
00:42:14.080 sons
00:42:14.380 into women's
00:42:15.000 spaces
00:42:15.300 and I
00:42:15.980 expect them
00:42:16.460 to respect
00:42:16.880 women's
00:42:17.220 boundaries
00:42:17.600 that said
00:42:19.260 there are
00:42:20.000 different
00:42:20.300 motivations
00:42:20.820 for thinking
00:42:21.800 that you
00:42:22.120 are a member
00:42:22.500 of the
00:42:22.740 opposite
00:42:22.960 sex
00:42:23.460 both for
00:42:24.260 men
00:42:24.400 and for
00:42:24.660 women 1.00
00:42:24.860 and among
00:42:26.400 men
00:42:26.800 the two
00:42:27.400 common
00:42:27.820 presentations
00:42:28.480 are one
00:42:29.300 that they
00:42:29.980 were very
00:42:30.880 very effeminate
00:42:31.620 or feminine
00:42:32.140 or to use
00:42:33.200 the pejorative
00:42:33.700 term
00:42:34.020 sissy 1.00
00:42:34.460 little boys
00:42:35.240 and the
00:42:36.780 world
00:42:37.180 maybe their
00:42:37.680 own family
00:42:38.280 gave them
00:42:38.920 the strong
00:42:39.360 impression
00:42:39.760 that this
00:42:40.120 was not
00:42:40.460 okay
00:42:40.880 and that a
00:42:41.640 little boy
00:42:42.040 who's like
00:42:42.460 them
00:42:42.800 has something
00:42:43.700 wrong with
00:42:44.100 him
00:42:44.440 and is a
00:42:44.860 girl 0.91
00:42:45.180 really
00:42:45.660 and now
00:42:47.000 that kid
00:42:47.440 if he's
00:42:47.780 supported
00:42:48.220 and nobody
00:42:48.940 lies to
00:42:49.560 him about
00:42:49.880 what's
00:42:50.160 possible
00:42:50.560 will grow
00:42:51.040 up to
00:42:51.360 understand
00:42:51.760 that he's
00:42:52.080 a gay 0.72
00:42:52.320 man
00:42:52.540 and hopefully
00:42:53.060 be a
00:42:53.820 happy
00:42:54.400 healthy
00:42:55.440 fully
00:42:56.560 functioning
00:42:57.040 gay 0.99
00:42:57.500 man
00:42:57.740 in
00:42:57.860 adulthood
00:42:58.200 unfortunately
00:42:59.680 we're
00:42:59.940 transing
00:43:00.280 those
00:43:00.500 kids
00:43:00.740 now
00:43:01.000 so we
00:43:01.420 are
00:43:01.520 taking
00:43:01.740 away
00:43:01.960 their
00:43:02.120 futures
00:43:02.400 from
00:43:02.660 them
00:43:02.880 but the
00:43:03.680 other
00:43:03.940 group
00:43:04.320 are
00:43:04.660 straight 0.70
00:43:05.220 men
00:43:05.600 who
00:43:05.820 have
00:43:06.060 an
00:43:06.180 unusual
00:43:06.820 whether
00:43:07.760 you
00:43:07.920 think
00:43:08.100 of it
00:43:08.260 as a
00:43:08.460 sexual
00:43:08.740 orientation
00:43:09.260 or a
00:43:09.620 sexual
00:43:09.920 fetish
00:43:10.360 will depend
00:43:10.840 on how
00:43:11.320 you think
00:43:11.780 sex
00:43:12.140 works
00:43:12.560 but what
00:43:15.660 is the
00:43:16.260 idea of
00:43:16.860 themselves
00:43:17.340 as
00:43:17.880 women 1.00
00:43:18.180 that's
00:43:19.460 their
00:43:20.000 fantasy
00:43:20.900 it's
00:43:22.080 almost
00:43:22.240 as if
00:43:22.500 they're
00:43:22.640 in love
00:43:23.100 with
00:43:23.460 the
00:43:23.740 woman 0.99
00:43:23.920 version
00:43:24.260 of
00:43:24.460 themselves
00:43:24.900 and
00:43:25.760 that's
00:43:26.020 where
00:43:26.140 all
00:43:26.300 these
00:43:26.460 phrases
00:43:26.800 like
00:43:27.080 I
00:43:27.220 have
00:43:27.400 a
00:43:27.520 woman 0.99
00:43:27.700 inside
00:43:28.320 I
00:43:28.740 am
00:43:28.900 really
00:43:29.260 a
00:43:29.440 woman 0.99
00:43:29.620 inside
00:43:30.280 come
00:43:31.540 from
00:43:31.920 and
00:43:32.160 it's
00:43:32.320 on a
00:43:32.580 spectrum
00:43:32.940 with
00:43:33.340 erotic
00:43:33.800 cross
00:43:34.080 dressing
00:43:34.400 which
00:43:34.620 is
00:43:34.700 a
00:43:34.820 common
00:43:35.040 male
00:43:35.340 sexual
00:43:35.700 interest
00:43:36.200 lots
00:43:36.540 of
00:43:36.680 straight 0.70
00:43:36.880 men
00:43:37.120 do
00:43:37.440 dress
00:43:37.700 up
00:43:37.880 as
00:43:38.020 women 1.00
00:43:38.220 and
00:43:38.420 find
00:43:38.640 it
00:43:38.780 sexy
00:43:39.100 so
00:43:40.740 some
00:43:41.160 of
00:43:41.280 these
00:43:41.440 men
00:43:41.660 become
00:43:41.960 more
00:43:42.300 and
00:43:42.440 more
00:43:42.660 and
00:43:42.820 more
00:43:43.160 bought
00:43:44.300 into
00:43:44.600 this
00:43:44.860 fantasy
00:43:45.280 to the
00:43:45.760 extent
00:43:46.020 that
00:43:46.220 as
00:43:46.340 they
00:43:46.460 get
00:43:46.620 older
00:43:46.960 it
00:43:47.200 becomes
00:43:47.520 impossible
00:43:48.000 to
00:43:49.400 live
00:43:49.920 without
00:43:50.180 acting
00:43:50.520 out
00:43:50.720 that
00:43:50.900 fantasy
00:43:51.280 and
00:43:51.460 they
00:43:51.580 don't
00:43:51.780 want
00:43:51.960 to
00:43:52.060 just
00:43:52.280 keep
00:43:52.600 the
00:43:52.780 fantasy
00:43:53.120 woman 0.99
00:43:53.420 to
00:43:53.720 their
00:43:53.860 bedroom
00:43:54.220 or
00:43:54.500 going
00:43:55.860 away
00:43:56.200 on
00:43:56.360 cross
00:43:56.580 dressing
00:43:56.840 weekends
00:43:57.260 with
00:43:57.420 other
00:43:57.600 men
00:43:57.800 or
00:43:57.900 sharing
00:43:58.980 pictures
00:43:59.360 on
00:43:59.580 some
00:43:59.760 cross
00:43:59.980 dressing
00:44:00.260 website
00:44:00.740 and
00:44:01.740 now
00:44:02.100 of
00:44:02.340 course
00:44:02.760 they
00:44:03.140 can
00:44:03.280 go
00:44:03.460 and
00:44:03.640 say
00:44:03.920 I'm
00:44:04.200 really
00:44:04.460 a
00:44:04.640 woman 0.99
00:44:11.280 but
00:44:15.460 what
00:44:15.860 is
00:44:16.000 so
00:44:16.260 unusual
00:44:16.760 and
00:44:16.980 destructive
00:44:17.440 about
00:44:17.980 this
00:44:18.240 sexual
00:44:18.580 desire
00:44:18.980 and
00:44:19.200 urge
00:44:19.700 is
00:44:20.480 that
00:44:20.580 it
00:44:20.700 requires
00:44:21.240 everybody
00:44:21.640 else
00:44:21.920 to
00:44:22.080 play
00:44:22.320 along
00:44:22.680 that's
00:44:23.140 part
00:44:23.400 of
00:44:23.500 the
00:44:23.600 fantasy
00:44:23.960 and
00:44:24.820 that's
00:44:25.100 not
00:44:25.300 true
00:44:25.620 of
00:44:25.940 sexual
00:44:26.420 desires
00:44:26.820 in
00:44:27.120 general
00:44:27.500 I'm
00:44:28.840 a
00:44:28.900 heterosexual 0.84
00:44:29.380 woman 0.99
00:44:29.740 I
00:44:30.060 don't
00:44:30.560 need
00:44:30.720 other
00:44:30.880 people
00:44:31.200 to
00:44:31.420 validate
00:44:31.720 that
00:44:32.140 as
00:44:32.340 long
00:44:32.480 as
00:44:32.580 my
00:44:32.720 husband
00:44:33.100 agrees
00:44:33.440 with
00:44:33.600 me
00:44:33.780 that
00:44:34.040 I'm
00:44:34.200 a
00:44:34.300 heterosexual 0.84
00:44:34.620 woman 0.99
00:44:35.040 and
00:44:35.220 we
00:44:35.560 stay
00:44:35.740 together
00:44:36.060 that's
00:44:36.560 it
00:44:36.740 the
00:44:37.120 rest
00:44:37.280 of
00:44:37.360 the
00:44:37.440 world
00:44:37.580 doesn't
00:44:37.840 have
00:44:37.960 to
00:44:38.060 play
00:44:38.240 along
00:44:38.460 with
00:44:38.620 anything
00:44:38.880 for
00:44:39.080 that
00:44:39.340 but
00:44:39.980 if
00:44:40.140 you're
00:44:40.280 a
00:44:40.420 man
00:44:40.660 whose
00:44:40.880 deepest
00:44:41.320 sexual
00:44:41.840 desire
00:44:42.300 is
00:44:42.600 that
00:44:42.720 he
00:44:42.800 is
00:44:42.920 really
00:44:43.400 a
00:44:43.640 woman 0.99
00:44:43.940 then
00:44:45.240 that
00:44:45.480 man
00:44:45.820 requires
00:44:46.480 everybody
00:44:46.960 specifically
00:44:47.620 women 1.00
00:44:48.020 to
00:44:48.520 agree
00:44:48.780 with
00:44:48.980 him
00:44:49.180 and
00:44:50.100 he
00:44:50.200 doesn't
00:44:50.460 just
00:44:50.680 want
00:44:50.900 to
00:44:51.040 cross
00:44:51.300 dress
00:44:51.620 he
00:44:51.800 wants
00:44:52.020 to
00:44:52.160 come
00:44:52.360 into
00:44:52.580 women 1.00
00:44:52.820 only
00:44:53.120 spaces
00:44:53.600 because
00:44:54.320 he
00:44:54.500 wants
00:44:54.740 to
00:44:54.900 be
00:44:55.060 in
00:44:55.200 the
00:44:55.320 place
00:44:55.660 where
00:44:55.860 his
00:44:56.060 womanhood
00:44:56.460 is
00:44:56.620 validated
00:44:57.100 so
00:44:57.820 that
00:44:58.040 doesn't
00:44:58.360 just
00:44:58.560 mean
00:44:58.760 that
00:44:58.900 he
00:44:59.020 wants
00:44:59.260 to
00:44:59.440 use
00:44:59.660 the
00:44:59.780 women 1.00
00:44:59.940 toilets
00:45:00.400 and
00:45:00.560 women 1.00
00:45:00.760 changing
00:45:01.180 rooms
00:45:01.440 and
00:45:01.580 so
00:45:01.760 on
00:45:01.940 because
00:45:02.140 that's
00:45:02.400 convenient
00:45:02.860 it
00:45:03.540 means
00:45:03.740 he
00:45:03.860 wants
00:45:04.080 to
00:45:04.240 use
00:45:04.420 them
00:45:04.520 for
00:45:04.660 validation
00:45:05.140 he
00:45:05.780 goes
00:45:06.000 into
00:45:06.160 them
00:45:06.340 specifically
00:45:07.040 so
00:45:07.340 all
00:45:07.500 these
00:45:07.660 men
00:45:07.840 they
00:45:08.000 go
00:45:08.160 and
00:45:08.280 they
00:45:08.680 join
00:45:09.000 menopause
00:45:09.660 support
00:45:10.140 groups
00:45:10.480 on
00:45:10.680 Facebook
00:45:11.260 they
00:45:12.240 join
00:45:12.520 women 1.00
00:45:12.780 only
00:45:13.100 swim
00:45:13.420 sessions
00:45:13.920 when
00:45:14.220 actually
00:45:14.500 there's
00:45:14.720 a
00:45:14.820 mixed
00:45:15.020 sex
00:45:15.300 session
00:45:15.640 as
00:45:15.840 well
00:45:16.200 you
00:45:17.080 know
00:45:17.160 they
00:45:17.300 do
00:45:17.460 all
00:45:17.740 these
00:45:17.980 things
00:45:18.260 that
00:45:18.440 only
00:45:18.860 women 1.00
00:45:19.140 can
00:45:19.380 do
00:45:19.760 because
00:45:20.200 that's
00:45:20.560 the
00:45:20.700 thing
00:45:20.860 that
00:45:21.000 they
00:45:21.100 get
00:45:21.320 off
00:45:21.540 on
00:45:21.780 and
00:45:22.540 any
00:45:22.840 woman 0.99
00:45:23.140 who
00:45:23.400 says
00:45:23.860 sorry
00:45:24.320 mate
00:45:24.720 you're
00:45:25.220 a
00:45:25.340 man
00:45:25.640 not
00:45:26.240 welcome
00:45:26.660 she's
00:45:27.980 striking
00:45:28.320 a blow
00:45:28.840 at his
00:45:29.220 own
00:45:29.480 at the
00:45:29.800 heart
00:45:30.120 of his
00:45:30.360 own
00:45:30.540 self
00:45:30.840 image
00:45:31.080 and
00:45:31.260 his
00:45:31.380 erotic
00:45:31.840 fantasy
00:45:32.360 as
00:45:32.640 well
00:45:32.920 and
00:45:33.580 men
00:45:34.060 and
00:45:34.280 their
00:45:34.440 sex
00:45:34.720 drives
00:45:35.180 you
00:45:36.000 know
00:45:36.200 it's
00:45:36.640 it's
00:45:36.860 one
00:45:37.000 of
00:45:37.080 the
00:45:37.180 forces
00:45:37.480 that
00:45:37.760 moves
00:45:38.000 this
00:45:38.180 world
00:45:38.540 is
00:45:38.820 what
00:45:38.960 men
00:45:39.180 want
00:45:39.420 sexually 0.61
00:45:39.860 and
00:45:40.680 these
00:45:40.940 men
00:45:41.160 are
00:45:41.360 very
00:45:42.160 very
00:45:42.880 motivated
00:45:43.760 I
00:45:44.380 think
00:45:44.620 of
00:45:44.740 them
00:45:44.840 as
00:45:44.940 the
00:45:45.060 beating
00:45:45.360 nuclear
00:45:45.880 reactor
00:45:46.300 at the
00:45:46.620 heart
00:45:46.880 of
00:45:47.020 this
00:45:47.180 movement
00:45:47.520 they
00:45:48.260 may
00:45:48.440 not
00:45:48.580 even
00:45:48.760 be
00:45:48.920 numerically
00:45:49.500 the
00:45:49.700 biggest
00:45:49.920 part
00:45:50.280 of
00:45:50.400 this
00:45:50.540 movement
00:45:50.860 and
00:45:51.660 in
00:45:51.780 fact
00:45:51.920 the
00:45:52.080 foot
00:45:52.300 soldiers
00:45:52.640 of
00:45:52.780 this
00:45:52.940 movement
00:45:53.280 are
00:45:53.600 the
00:45:53.760 young
00:45:53.960 women 1.00
00:45:54.260 who
00:45:54.500 have
00:45:54.680 grown
00:45:54.960 up
00:45:55.160 in
00:45:55.320 queer 0.99
00:45:55.540 theory
00:45:55.840 at
00:45:56.000 universities
00:45:56.520 and
00:45:57.120 they're
00:45:57.300 the
00:45:57.460 worst
00:45:57.840 for parroting
00:45:58.520 that trans 0.92
00:45:58.960 women are 1.00
00:45:59.260 women 1.00
00:45:59.460 but without
00:46:00.240 this
00:46:00.540 hard
00:46:01.160 core
00:46:01.720 of
00:46:02.320 men
00:46:02.660 whose
00:46:02.960 dearest
00:46:03.600 and
00:46:03.840 sole
00:46:04.260 desire
00:46:04.960 in
00:46:05.300 life
00:46:05.740 is to
00:46:06.580 force
00:46:06.900 everybody
00:46:07.220 to
00:46:07.400 pretend
00:46:07.680 that
00:46:07.900 they're
00:46:08.060 women 1.00
00:46:08.280 this
00:46:08.840 would
00:46:08.960 not
00:46:09.120 have
00:46:09.240 got
00:46:09.380 so
00:46:09.580 far
00:46:09.880 this
00:46:11.080 is
00:46:11.180 so
00:46:11.360 fascinating
00:46:11.820 this
00:46:12.100 is
00:46:12.200 going
00:46:12.300 to
00:46:12.360 take
00:46:12.480 more
00:46:12.660 than
00:46:12.860 this
00:46:13.120 block
00:46:13.380 to
00:46:13.540 get
00:46:13.640 through
00:46:13.860 but
00:46:14.380 when
00:46:14.860 you
00:46:14.980 were
00:46:15.100 speaking
00:46:15.380 it
00:46:15.540 reminded
00:46:15.840 me
00:46:16.000 of
00:46:16.100 an
00:46:16.200 interview
00:46:16.400 I
00:46:16.520 did
00:46:16.620 with
00:46:16.780 Dr.
00:46:17.200 Deborah
00:46:17.680 So
00:46:18.060 who
00:46:18.680 left
00:46:19.000 the
00:46:19.200 scientific
00:46:19.500 field
00:46:19.940 you know
00:46:20.240 her
00:46:20.480 and
00:46:21.200 she's
00:46:21.660 been
00:46:21.760 writing
00:46:21.960 about
00:46:22.140 this
00:46:22.280 for
00:46:22.400 years
00:46:22.600 very
00:46:22.840 bold
00:46:23.160 very
00:46:23.400 brave
00:46:23.840 and
00:46:24.300 she
00:46:24.500 talked
00:46:24.860 about
00:46:25.060 she
00:46:25.360 studied
00:46:26.040 sexual
00:46:26.720 fetishes
00:46:27.220 and
00:46:27.960 said
00:46:28.260 I
00:46:28.400 remember
00:46:28.560 she
00:46:28.740 told
00:46:29.000 me
00:46:29.120 this
00:46:29.260 is
00:46:29.320 before
00:46:29.500 we
00:46:29.640 even
00:46:29.780 have
00:46:29.940 video
00:46:30.220 that
00:46:30.900 one
00:46:32.320 of
00:46:32.440 the
00:46:32.560 most
00:46:33.180 common
00:46:33.580 sexual
00:46:34.000 fetishes
00:46:34.440 I think
00:46:34.780 she said
00:46:35.120 was
00:46:35.440 people
00:46:36.100 have
00:46:36.700 a desire
00:46:37.260 to be
00:46:37.760 eaten
00:46:38.140 by an
00:46:38.640 animal
00:46:38.960 and
00:46:39.760 so
00:46:40.180 I'm
00:46:40.440 like
00:46:40.540 well
00:46:40.640 how
00:46:40.780 do
00:46:40.880 they
00:46:41.120 act
00:46:41.620 that
00:46:41.880 out
00:46:42.160 right
00:46:42.500 and
00:46:43.060 so
00:46:43.240 they
00:46:43.400 can
00:46:43.580 use
00:46:43.880 cartoons
00:46:44.460 or
00:46:44.880 drawings
00:46:45.580 but
00:46:45.820 that
00:46:46.060 for
00:46:46.300 whatever
00:46:46.560 reason
00:46:46.900 is
00:46:47.100 what
00:46:47.300 gets
00:46:47.560 them
00:46:47.740 off
00:46:48.040 the
00:46:48.180 idea
00:46:48.440 of
00:46:48.560 some
00:46:48.760 animal
00:46:49.660 eating
00:46:50.160 them
00:46:50.480 now
00:46:51.140 these
00:46:51.560 people
00:46:51.780 do
00:46:51.940 not
00:46:52.100 require
00:46:52.480 you
00:46:52.940 or
00:46:53.480 me
00:46:53.920 to
00:46:54.340 say
00:46:54.520 yeah
00:46:54.880 you're
00:46:55.420 you're
00:46:55.780 gonna
00:46:55.880 get
00:46:56.060 eaten
00:46:56.280 by
00:46:56.480 an
00:46:56.620 animal
00:46:56.900 yeah
00:46:57.320 I
00:46:57.560 saw
00:46:57.760 that
00:46:57.940 elephant
00:46:58.180 eat
00:46:58.420 you
00:46:58.520 right
00:46:58.700 up
00:46:58.880 like
00:46:59.180 we
00:46:59.780 don't
00:46:59.960 have
00:47:00.180 to
00:47:00.300 participate
00:47:00.800 in
00:47:00.960 their
00:47:01.060 sexual
00:47:01.440 fetish
00:47:01.860 so
00:47:02.460 it's
00:47:02.820 relatively
00:47:03.420 harmless
00:47:03.960 like
00:47:04.360 okay
00:47:04.780 you
00:47:05.140 do
00:47:05.280 your
00:47:05.420 thing
00:47:05.640 if
00:47:05.820 you
00:47:05.900 want
00:47:06.000 to
00:47:06.060 look
00:47:06.180 at
00:47:06.280 weird
00:47:06.460 cartoons
00:47:06.840 of
00:47:07.040 the
00:47:07.160 animals
00:47:07.420 eating
00:47:07.660 you
00:47:07.860 it's
00:47:08.100 your
00:47:08.260 business
00:47:08.640 this
00:47:09.820 sexual
00:47:10.620 fetish
00:47:11.040 is
00:47:11.700 taking
00:47:12.100 over
00:47:12.560 our
00:47:12.880 world
00:47:13.320 our
00:47:13.920 little
00:47:14.220 girls 0.98
00:47:14.600 world
00:47:15.080 are
00:47:15.400 all
00:47:15.780 of
00:47:15.900 our
00:47:16.040 spaces
00:47:16.480 and
00:47:17.080 so
00:47:17.360 to put
00:47:18.040 it
00:47:18.120 in
00:47:18.200 legal
00:47:18.400 terms
00:47:18.740 we
00:47:19.160 have
00:47:19.340 standing
00:47:20.440 to
00:47:21.020 object
00:47:21.540 and
00:47:22.080 yet
00:47:22.220 it's
00:47:22.360 not
00:47:22.540 recognized
00:47:23.020 by
00:47:24.040 all
00:47:25.040 these
00:47:25.280 institutions
00:47:25.780 that
00:47:26.060 want
00:47:26.260 to
00:47:26.380 sound
00:47:26.640 and
00:47:26.820 look
00:47:26.980 inclusive
00:47:27.500 and
00:47:28.960 the
00:47:29.280 worst
00:47:29.680 thing
00:47:29.940 about
00:47:30.220 this
00:47:30.600 and
00:47:30.880 sort
00:47:31.080 of
00:47:31.180 to
00:47:31.300 finish
00:47:31.600 the
00:47:31.900 you
00:47:32.180 know
00:47:32.280 why
00:47:32.540 these
00:47:32.740 people
00:47:33.000 are
00:47:33.120 the
00:47:33.240 beating
00:47:33.580 the
00:47:33.820 date
00:47:34.020 you
00:47:34.140 know
00:47:34.200 the
00:47:34.340 toxic
00:47:34.780 beating
00:47:35.260 nuclear
00:47:35.840 reactor
00:47:36.240 at the
00:47:36.500 heart
00:47:36.700 of
00:47:36.840 this
00:47:37.000 movement
00:47:37.320 is
00:47:38.260 because
00:47:43.320 really
00:47:43.880 are
00:47:44.340 women 1.00
00:47:44.700 they
00:47:45.560 don't
00:47:45.820 want
00:47:46.020 you
00:47:46.120 to
00:47:46.240 play
00:47:46.500 along
00:47:46.920 they
00:47:47.280 don't
00:47:47.460 want
00:47:47.640 you
00:47:47.720 to
00:47:47.800 be
00:47:47.900 like
00:47:48.080 yeah
00:47:48.340 whatever
00:47:48.780 okay
00:47:49.300 you
00:47:49.680 know
00:47:49.760 you're
00:47:49.920 basically
00:47:50.240 like a
00:47:50.500 drag
00:47:50.700 queen 0.69
00:47:51.000 you
00:47:51.200 know
00:47:51.320 I
00:47:51.440 don't
00:47:51.580 care
00:47:51.780 if
00:47:51.900 men
00:47:52.060 wear
00:47:52.200 women's
00:47:52.520 clothes
00:47:52.920 and
00:47:53.840 so
00:47:54.140 they
00:47:54.540 say
00:47:55.780 that
00:47:56.000 they
00:47:56.160 were
00:47:56.300 always
00:47:56.740 that
00:47:56.960 way
00:47:57.180 that
00:47:57.380 really
00:47:57.900 inside
00:47:58.680 their
00:47:59.140 women 1.00
00:47:59.380 and
00:48:00.180 that
00:48:00.480 means
00:48:00.820 they
00:48:01.000 have
00:48:01.260 to
00:48:01.360 have
00:48:01.520 been
00:48:01.700 trans
00:48:02.080 children
00:48:02.660 it
00:48:02.940 means
00:48:03.140 they
00:48:03.260 have
00:48:03.400 to
00:48:03.480 been
00:48:03.640 trans
00:48:03.960 children
00:48:04.440 so
00:48:04.960 these
00:48:13.320 and
00:48:14.880 we're
00:48:15.160 listening
00:48:16.040 to
00:48:16.320 them
00:48:16.600 we
00:48:16.800 are
00:48:16.960 seeding
00:48:17.860 the
00:48:18.220 debate
00:48:18.880 because
00:48:19.900 we've
00:48:20.300 been
00:48:20.500 shamed
00:48:21.260 by
00:48:22.120 the
00:48:22.520 media
00:48:22.940 by
00:48:23.600 as
00:48:24.040 you
00:48:24.160 point
00:48:24.360 out
00:48:24.580 the
00:48:24.800 main
00:48:25.340 leaders
00:48:26.000 of
00:48:26.160 the
00:48:26.260 movement
00:48:26.500 the
00:48:26.700 generals
00:48:27.120 the
00:48:27.640 young
00:48:27.840 women 1.00
00:48:28.080 who
00:48:28.200 have
00:48:28.280 been
00:48:28.400 indoctrinated
00:48:28.960 in
00:48:29.220 queer 0.99
00:48:29.520 theory
00:48:29.920 in
00:48:30.060 the
00:48:30.160 universities
00:48:30.640 we're
00:48:31.280 allowing
00:48:31.880 these
00:48:32.160 people
00:48:32.340 to
00:48:32.520 shame
00:48:32.840 us
00:48:33.300 it's
00:48:33.940 bad
00:48:34.180 enough
00:48:34.400 for
00:48:34.580 us
00:48:34.860 but
00:48:35.120 it's
00:48:35.420 a
00:48:35.620 totally
00:48:35.940 different
00:48:36.260 matter
00:48:36.540 when
00:48:36.720 we're
00:48:36.860 talking
00:48:37.160 about
00:48:37.500 our
00:48:38.000 children
00:48:39.020 and
00:48:39.880 that's
00:48:40.080 what
00:48:43.320 self
00:48:43.680 you
00:48:44.680 must
00:48:45.160 find
00:48:45.500 a
00:48:45.640 way
00:48:45.780 to
00:48:45.940 stand
00:48:46.160 up
00:48:46.360 to
00:48:46.500 this
00:48:46.680 otherwise
00:48:47.060 our
00:48:47.860 children
00:48:48.300 are
00:48:48.500 not
00:48:48.640 only
00:48:48.780 going
00:48:48.860 to
00:48:48.880 be
00:48:49.000 hurt
00:48:49.200 by
00:48:49.340 these
00:48:49.500 people
00:48:49.820 some
00:48:50.200 of
00:48:50.340 them
00:48:50.500 but
00:48:51.220 they're
00:48:51.460 going
00:48:51.580 to
00:48:51.620 be
00:48:51.720 indoctrinated
00:48:52.340 in
00:48:52.600 the
00:48:52.700 thinking
00:48:53.020 and
00:48:53.320 the
00:48:53.480 harm
00:48:53.680 is
00:48:53.800 only
00:48:53.960 going
00:48:54.120 to
00:48:54.220 spread
00:48:54.460 right
00:48:54.700 Helen
00:48:54.980 Joyce
00:48:55.200 stays
00:48:55.400 with
00:48:55.540 this
00:48:55.640 I
00:49:13.320 my
00:49:13.520 God
00:49:13.780 look
00:49:14.380 around
00:49:14.580 your
00:49:14.700 knitting
00:49:14.900 circle
00:49:15.200 ladies 0.99
00:49:15.540 make
00:49:16.140 sure
00:49:16.420 make
00:49:17.040 sure
00:49:17.260 you
00:49:17.380 only
00:49:17.520 have
00:49:17.740 real
00:49:17.940 women 1.00
00:49:18.200 in
00:49:18.360 there
00:49:18.580 somebody
00:49:19.320 could
00:49:19.540 be
00:49:19.660 enjoying
00:49:19.960 it
00:49:20.120 way
00:49:20.280 more
00:49:20.460 than
00:49:20.620 you
00:49:20.780 are
00:49:21.000 fellow
00:49:21.440 knitters
00:49:21.860 we'll
00:49:22.800 talk
00:49:22.980 about
00:49:23.140 that
00:49:23.360 much
00:49:23.580 much
00:49:23.740 more
00:49:23.880 when
00:49:23.960 we
00:49:24.040 come
00:49:24.140 back
00:49:24.340 with
00:49:24.500 Helen
00:49:24.700 Joyce
00:49:24.940 and
00:49:25.180 before
00:49:25.560 we
00:49:25.720 don't
00:49:26.100 forget
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00:49:41.980 someone is
00:49:43.380 trying to
00:49:43.820 frame us
00:49:44.380 until our
00:49:45.640 names are
00:49:46.120 cleared
00:49:46.560 we're fugitives
00:49:48.260 from
00:49:48.460 Interpol
00:49:48.860 like Bonnie
00:49:49.800 and Clyde
00:49:50.480 with better
00:49:50.900 snacks
00:49:51.540 espionage
00:49:53.220 you're still
00:49:53.740 as good
00:49:54.040 a shot
00:49:54.420 as you
00:49:54.680 used to
00:49:54.980 be
00:49:55.360 better
00:49:56.940 is there
00:49:57.600 love
00:49:58.000 language
00:49:58.560 we like
00:49:58.960 to walk
00:49:59.260 that fine
00:49:59.740 line between
00:50:00.320 techno
00:50:00.720 thriller
00:50:01.160 romantic
00:50:02.980 comedy
00:50:03.480 we make
00:50:04.380 up our
00:50:04.640 own
00:50:04.800 rules
00:50:05.260 NCIS
00:50:06.320 Tony
00:50:06.660 and
00:50:06.840 Ziva
00:50:07.180 now
00:50:07.740 streaming
00:50:08.120 on
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00:50:08.720 Plus
00:50:09.220 so
00:50:12.780 picking
00:50:13.100 back up
00:50:13.620 the
00:50:13.720 discussion
00:50:14.040 on
00:50:14.280 autogynophiles
00:50:15.400 you write
00:50:16.560 in the
00:50:16.780 book
00:50:16.940 about
00:50:17.300 a
00:50:17.940 trans
00:50:18.480 woman 0.99
00:50:19.020 named
00:50:19.480 Anne
00:50:19.920 Lawrence
00:50:20.420 who came
00:50:21.220 across
00:50:21.680 Ray Blanchard's
00:50:22.580 work in
00:50:22.900 1994
00:50:23.500 and
00:50:24.100 dug
00:50:25.060 deep
00:50:25.420 on the
00:50:26.120 subject
00:50:26.400 of
00:50:26.580 autogynophilia
00:50:27.380 and
00:50:28.320 concluded
00:50:29.000 as others
00:50:30.240 have as
00:50:30.580 well
00:50:30.800 that
00:50:31.180 almost
00:50:32.140 anything
00:50:32.700 coded
00:50:33.140 female 0.86
00:50:33.520 or
00:50:33.740 feminine
00:50:34.140 can
00:50:35.040 cause
00:50:35.420 an
00:50:35.680 intense
00:50:36.200 erotic
00:50:36.820 arousal
00:50:37.680 that
00:50:38.280 seems
00:50:38.540 to
00:50:38.740 simultaneously
00:50:39.400 animate
00:50:40.340 and
00:50:40.800 discredit
00:50:41.380 autogynophiles
00:50:42.960 desire
00:50:43.540 to have
00:50:44.460 female 0.86
00:50:44.820 bodies
00:50:45.260 so they
00:50:45.680 get
00:50:45.860 turned
00:50:46.220 on
00:50:46.620 by
00:50:47.140 anything
00:50:47.860 female 0.86
00:50:49.120 or
00:50:49.540 feminine
00:50:50.100 her
00:50:50.860 informants
00:50:51.820 that spoke
00:50:52.320 to her
00:50:52.540 the people
00:50:52.940 speaking
00:50:53.240 to her
00:50:53.500 recount
00:50:53.880 erotic
00:50:54.300 fantasies
00:50:54.800 of
00:50:55.140 pushing
00:50:55.840 a baby
00:50:56.260 buggy
00:50:56.620 joining
00:50:57.360 a knitting
00:50:57.780 circle
00:50:58.280 being called
00:50:59.180 ma'am
00:50:59.660 having
00:51:00.200 bubble gum
00:51:01.080 blowing
00:51:01.420 contests
00:51:02.040 with girls
00:51:02.680 wearing
00:51:03.360 clip-on
00:51:04.000 earrings
00:51:04.440 taking
00:51:04.980 birth
00:51:05.300 control
00:51:05.620 pills
00:51:05.980 having
00:51:06.680 a
00:51:07.000 pap
00:51:07.440 smear
00:51:08.040 test
00:51:08.760 and so
00:51:09.960 on
00:51:10.300 and then
00:51:10.900 you go
00:51:11.140 on
00:51:11.340 to say
00:51:11.780 they
00:51:12.660 often
00:51:13.080 eroticize
00:51:14.000 aspects
00:51:14.540 of
00:51:14.820 womanhood
00:51:15.460 that
00:51:16.000 most
00:51:16.260 women 1.00
00:51:16.500 dislike
00:51:16.960 such
00:51:17.260 as
00:51:17.540 menstruation
00:51:18.620 undergoing
00:51:19.380 intimate
00:51:20.120 medical
00:51:20.620 examinations
00:51:21.600 experiencing
00:51:22.700 sexism
00:51:23.980 or wearing
00:51:25.160 uncomfortable
00:51:25.900 clothes
00:51:26.860 can I tell
00:51:28.000 you something
00:51:28.420 I'm going
00:51:29.080 to confess
00:51:29.480 something
00:51:29.700 to you
00:51:29.940 Helen
00:51:30.140 somebody
00:51:31.120 I know
00:51:31.700 suddenly
00:51:33.340 I don't
00:51:33.660 see this
00:51:33.960 person
00:51:34.200 often
00:51:34.680 but they're
00:51:35.060 in my
00:51:35.440 circle
00:51:35.860 is a
00:51:37.140 man
00:51:37.420 who
00:51:37.820 transitioned
00:51:38.340 quote unquote
00:51:38.880 to female 0.86
00:51:39.640 and I
00:51:41.100 saw this
00:51:41.540 person
00:51:41.880 I was
00:51:42.280 shocked
00:51:42.520 to see
00:51:42.840 that they
00:51:43.300 were now
00:51:43.680 going around
00:51:44.380 as a
00:51:44.620 woman 0.99
00:51:44.800 trying to
00:51:45.260 be
00:51:45.420 and this
00:51:46.440 person
00:51:46.920 went off
00:51:47.940 to me
00:51:48.360 about how
00:51:49.300 he'd already
00:51:51.040 been me
00:51:51.580 to
00:51:51.820 how some
00:51:53.460 man had
00:51:53.900 already
00:51:54.160 tried to
00:51:54.900 harass him
00:51:55.680 and grab
00:51:56.560 his
00:51:56.740 non-existent
00:51:57.400 breasts
00:51:57.900 I'm thinking
00:51:59.200 to myself
00:51:59.640 oh my god
00:52:00.520 this is such
00:52:01.180 a load
00:52:01.740 of crap
00:52:02.560 I mean
00:52:03.340 I was polite
00:52:04.220 to this
00:52:04.560 person
00:52:04.880 but all
00:52:05.660 I could
00:52:05.880 think was
00:52:06.240 what on
00:52:07.000 earth is
00:52:07.400 going on
00:52:07.900 here
00:52:08.120 right
00:52:08.360 what is
00:52:08.740 and when
00:52:09.420 I read
00:52:09.880 this
00:52:10.220 I was
00:52:10.560 like
00:52:10.780 I get
00:52:12.280 it
00:52:12.440 it's
00:52:12.680 part
00:52:13.040 of
00:52:13.200 it
00:52:14.100 absolutely
00:52:16.260 I mean
00:52:17.120 you know
00:52:18.460 we've both
00:52:19.340 been young
00:52:19.840 women 1.00
00:52:20.080 and young
00:52:20.440 women can 1.00
00:52:20.860 be very
00:52:21.200 naive
00:52:21.520 I think
00:52:21.900 we are
00:52:22.220 naive
00:52:22.540 about
00:52:23.020 what I
00:52:23.900 tend to
00:52:24.260 think of
00:52:24.540 as men
00:52:24.880 and their
00:52:25.140 bullshit
00:52:25.440 like
00:52:26.600 you learn
00:52:27.820 as you
00:52:28.040 get older
00:52:28.480 and of
00:52:28.960 course
00:52:29.120 there's
00:52:29.300 women 1.00
00:52:29.480 and their
00:52:29.720 bullshit
00:52:29.980 I always
00:52:30.460 have to
00:52:30.720 say
00:52:31.000 I'm
00:52:31.240 not
00:52:31.420 anti-men
00:52:32.100 but there
00:52:32.880 is a
00:52:33.260 specific
00:52:33.640 category
00:52:34.180 of men
00:52:34.660 and their
00:52:34.940 bullshit
00:52:35.280 and one
00:52:36.520 of those
00:52:37.040 for this
00:52:37.580 particular
00:52:37.940 group of
00:52:38.460 men
00:52:38.720 it's
00:52:39.540 I want
00:52:41.000 to join
00:52:41.340 absolutely
00:52:41.760 everything
00:52:42.080 that's
00:52:42.260 for women
00:52:42.500 I too
00:52:42.880 get menstrual
00:52:43.500 cramps
00:52:43.820 you'd be
00:52:44.100 amazed how
00:52:44.740 many trans
00:52:45.400 women insist 1.00
00:52:46.040 that they
00:52:46.480 get menstrual
00:52:47.100 cramps and
00:52:47.580 that it's
00:52:47.840 caused by the
00:52:48.400 hormones the
00:52:48.920 cross-sex
00:52:49.280 hormones they're 0.99
00:52:49.840 taking
00:52:50.140 you can't have
00:52:51.320 menstrual cramps
00:52:51.920 if you don't
00:52:52.300 have a uterus
00:52:52.760 because it's
00:52:53.180 the uterus
00:52:53.600 that's cramping
00:52:54.280 it's so obvious
00:52:56.180 but it turns
00:52:57.160 them on
00:52:57.640 they're getting
00:52:58.180 off on this
00:52:59.040 and there's
00:52:59.880 young women
00:53:00.340 saying things
00:53:00.900 like you can
00:53:01.500 pee next to
00:53:02.320 me
00:53:02.640 they just
00:53:03.240 want to
00:53:03.720 pee
00:53:04.160 I'm fine
00:53:05.500 with this
00:53:06.100 you know
00:53:06.380 they're doing
00:53:06.700 the whole
00:53:07.000 be kind
00:53:07.640 bullshit
00:53:08.240 that women 0.97
00:53:08.780 are indoctrinated
00:53:10.200 into and that
00:53:10.820 women get harassed 0.99
00:53:11.600 if we don't go
00:53:12.100 along with
00:53:12.640 but they're also
00:53:13.520 very very naive
00:53:14.660 like as you get
00:53:15.460 older you know
00:53:16.680 that more of what
00:53:17.560 animates men
00:53:18.400 than you thought
00:53:19.120 ever when you
00:53:19.700 were in your
00:53:20.000 teens
00:53:20.440 it's sex
00:53:22.340 these men are
00:53:23.100 getting off on it
00:53:23.960 there's
00:53:25.300 we pulled a
00:53:25.940 couple of
00:53:26.200 examples of
00:53:27.060 these trans
00:53:28.200 activists in the
00:53:28.900 news on
00:53:29.460 tiktok and so
00:53:30.180 on but again
00:53:31.220 it's offensive
00:53:32.440 when you hear
00:53:32.960 it but when
00:53:33.680 you when you
00:53:34.780 hear it
00:53:35.220 understanding what
00:53:36.220 I just read
00:53:36.840 from your book
00:53:37.460 it takes on a
00:53:39.260 different significance
00:53:39.940 it's it's
00:53:40.860 exposing them
00:53:42.580 I think as
00:53:43.300 autogynophiles
00:53:44.060 here's one
00:53:45.440 where there's
00:53:47.420 a this guy
00:53:48.240 fantasizing about
00:53:50.060 all things that
00:53:51.160 only women can 1.00
00:53:51.900 do after the
00:53:53.500 alleged uterus
00:53:54.980 transplant he
00:53:55.820 wants listen to
00:53:56.520 this not three
00:53:57.260 the first
00:53:59.620 trans woman to
00:54:00.980 have a
00:54:01.560 successful uterus
00:54:02.560 transplant
00:54:03.180 ovaries and
00:54:05.040 eggs included
00:54:05.640 and I want to
00:54:08.340 be the first
00:54:09.440 trans woman to
00:54:10.580 have an
00:54:11.260 abortion
00:54:11.580 I will let a 0.98
00:54:15.800 doctor who has
00:54:16.920 successfully
00:54:17.540 transplanted a
00:54:18.740 uterine complex
00:54:19.480 before cut the
00:54:20.760 organs out of a
00:54:21.740 willing healthy
00:54:22.940 trans masculine
00:54:24.160 donor place
00:54:26.260 them in my
00:54:27.340 body I will
00:54:29.200 devote myself
00:54:30.300 heart and soul
00:54:31.760 to their
00:54:32.500 aftercare I
00:54:35.620 will have as
00:54:37.420 much gay sex 0.99
00:54:38.660 as it takes
00:54:39.940 with as many
00:54:41.380 trans women as
00:54:42.880 it takes and
00:54:45.040 let the
00:54:46.020 trans phobes and
00:54:47.380 homophobes scratch
00:54:49.080 their heads
00:54:49.800 wondering what
00:54:51.840 to make of
00:54:52.380 it and I
00:54:54.620 want to be
00:54:56.220 the first
00:54:57.500 trans woman to
00:54:58.980 have an
00:55:00.000 abortion
00:55:00.400 my god Helen
00:55:03.280 this is what
00:55:04.460 we're supposed to
00:55:05.040 respect and be
00:55:05.880 inclusive of and
00:55:06.620 allow into our
00:55:07.360 little girls
00:55:07.820 bathrooms I
00:55:08.940 don't think so
00:55:09.660 I mean I look
00:55:11.520 at that and I
00:55:12.000 think I want to
00:55:12.580 say to every
00:55:13.200 woman who goes 0.99
00:55:13.900 along with this
00:55:14.440 have you no
00:55:15.280 self-respect
00:55:16.380 like do you not
00:55:18.600 know what this
00:55:19.180 man is doing
00:55:20.000 he's mocking
00:55:20.920 you he's using
00:55:22.360 you as a
00:55:22.800 masturbatory prop
00:55:24.040 and I'm not
00:55:25.720 scratching my
00:55:26.340 head over this
00:55:27.080 I can see what
00:55:27.840 he's doing and
00:55:28.900 I'm saying no
00:55:29.580 shove off stay
00:55:31.260 out go back to
00:55:32.260 the hole that
00:55:32.760 you belong in
00:55:33.400 go back and have
00:55:34.560 your horrible
00:55:35.000 little fantasies
00:55:35.800 and write them
00:55:36.300 up for other
00:55:36.760 people who have
00:55:37.260 similar horrible
00:55:37.820 little fantasies
00:55:38.740 but I have some
00:55:40.300 self-respect and
00:55:41.560 I say no to
00:55:42.180 that
00:55:42.460 yes it's it's
00:55:44.420 definitely a no
00:55:45.260 there's another
00:55:45.980 person who was in
00:55:47.400 the news this
00:55:47.980 week on online
00:55:49.040 I tweeted this
00:55:50.360 out because just
00:55:51.400 the sense of
00:55:52.220 entitlement makes
00:55:53.640 my blood boil it
00:55:54.580 really does make
00:55:55.240 my stop my spine
00:55:56.320 stiffen and makes
00:55:57.780 me resolve as you
00:55:59.180 say let them speak
00:55:59.960 you know even more
00:56:01.200 than I had to
00:56:02.120 fight here's
00:56:03.480 stop for
00:56:04.360 this is what I
00:56:06.580 mean when the
00:56:07.460 transphobia just
00:56:08.300 comes out the
00:56:09.780 audacity and just
00:56:11.120 the the the
00:56:12.540 arrogance for
00:56:13.540 cis women to 0.94
00:56:14.440 believe that they
00:56:15.500 own periods that
00:56:17.360 they own
00:56:18.080 womanhood you
00:56:19.800 don't okay you
00:56:21.300 don't own
00:56:21.860 periods you
00:56:22.760 don't own
00:56:23.300 womanhood you
00:56:24.180 experience both
00:56:25.320 and both are
00:56:26.380 different for
00:56:27.060 every person but
00:56:28.460 as a cis woman it
00:56:29.540 doesn't belong to
00:56:30.400 you so you can't
00:56:31.160 gatekeep it like
00:56:32.480 hello
00:56:33.480 it's so bizarre and
00:56:36.800 honestly only a man
00:56:38.160 would want access to
00:56:39.520 our period like most
00:56:41.140 women are like it's a 1.00
00:56:42.000 pain in the ass it's 0.93
00:56:43.300 something that's
00:56:43.860 necessary if you want
00:56:44.780 to have children and
00:56:45.480 if you actually are
00:56:46.080 but like only a man
00:56:47.740 would be fantasizing
00:56:48.800 about it and thinking
00:56:49.900 that we're running
00:56:50.520 around you know
00:56:51.540 thinking about our
00:56:52.520 periods and making
00:56:53.180 sure everybody knows
00:56:53.880 we own them yes we
00:56:55.080 are the only ones who
00:56:55.640 can have them but
00:56:56.760 we're not possessive
00:56:57.660 over them we're not
00:56:58.460 dreaming about them
00:56:59.560 all day this is a
00:57:00.960 man yeah the
00:57:02.480 experience of wishing
00:57:03.600 that you were a
00:57:04.440 woman or believing
00:57:05.400 that you were meant
00:57:06.160 to be a woman or
00:57:07.080 thinking there's a
00:57:07.760 woman inside these 0.91
00:57:08.440 are exclusively male
00:57:10.020 experiences I just
00:57:11.760 am a woman I don't
00:57:13.460 identify as a woman I
00:57:14.740 don't feel like I am
00:57:15.820 a woman I just am
00:57:16.800 one and there's
00:57:17.880 nothing I can do to
00:57:18.780 be cast out of that
00:57:19.840 group you know I
00:57:21.420 can't behave in a
00:57:22.480 way that means that
00:57:23.400 I'm no longer a
00:57:24.060 woman anything I do
00:57:25.220 is by definition a
00:57:26.580 thing that a woman 1.00
00:57:27.100 does and anything
00:57:28.320 that man does is by
00:57:29.920 definition a
00:57:30.900 thing that a man
00:57:31.440 does and in his
00:57:32.520 arrogance his
00:57:33.740 entitlement and
00:57:35.180 his frankly the
00:57:36.160 weirdness of his
00:57:37.040 sexual fantasies these
00:57:38.480 are extremely male
00:57:39.740 things women don't 1.00
00:57:40.760 sound like that they
00:57:41.740 don't talk like that
00:57:42.880 they don't claim
00:57:44.100 ownership of things
00:57:45.220 that aren't there as
00:57:46.140 to anything like the
00:57:46.860 same extent that men
00:57:47.780 do in every word he
00:57:49.380 reveals himself as a
00:57:50.540 man yeah that's right
00:57:52.300 and it's I thought it
00:57:53.600 was particularly
00:57:54.100 interesting that you
00:57:55.300 mentioned in here
00:57:56.560 citing again Anne 0.82
00:57:57.740 Lawrence's research
00:57:58.460 having a pap smear
00:58:00.140 we've talked on the
00:58:01.760 show before about
00:58:02.700 this other trans 0.94
00:58:03.680 person who said when
00:58:05.300 he goes to his
00:58:06.040 gynecologist and I
00:58:07.840 took real issue with
00:58:08.700 it's like all right
00:58:09.400 you don't have a
00:58:10.520 gynecologist you don't 0.99
00:58:11.620 have a vagina you have 1.00
00:58:12.700 a hole at best that a
00:58:13.840 surgeon created that
00:58:14.780 does not require a
00:58:15.580 gynecologist care get
00:58:16.880 out of my gynecologist 0.54
00:58:17.720 office it takes long
00:58:18.780 enough to get in for
00:58:19.440 those appointments but
00:58:20.640 I really don't want to
00:58:21.340 sit in the gynecologist 0.99
00:58:22.080 waiting room or in we've
00:58:23.620 talked about this before
00:58:24.320 the mammogram waiting
00:58:25.300 room which is a very
00:58:26.560 intimate spot for women
00:58:27.680 where they have fears
00:58:29.200 and you know concerns
00:58:30.480 of course you've got to
00:58:31.320 sit there wondering God
00:58:32.480 I know what I'm I know
00:58:33.480 what they're checking
00:58:33.940 for and is it going to
00:58:35.800 come out the way I
00:58:36.300 want to do I really
00:58:37.580 don't want to sit next
00:58:38.280 to a man who's getting
00:58:39.700 off who's got an
00:58:40.960 erection under his robe
00:58:42.380 because he's sitting
00:58:43.660 there having a female 0.99
00:58:44.560 experience next to me
00:58:46.460 and my fellow women
00:58:47.420 while we're worried
00:58:48.080 about cancer or
00:58:49.340 endometriosis or you
00:58:51.620 know an unplanned
00:58:52.260 pregnancy or all any of
00:58:53.560 the things that we worry
00:58:54.280 about in these
00:58:54.760 particular offices I'm
00:58:56.560 and the two worst
00:58:57.780 things I would say
00:58:58.520 that people you know
00:58:59.520 you and I are probably
00:59:00.280 hopefully I certainly am
00:59:01.540 lucky enough not to have
00:59:02.540 had this experience but
00:59:03.720 when you read sissy porn 0.63
00:59:05.740 which is the porn that
00:59:06.780 these men write for each
00:59:07.740 other and where they
00:59:09.220 they talk about being
00:59:10.240 forcibly turned into
00:59:11.360 women forcibly castrated
00:59:12.600 and dressed as women
00:59:13.600 and treated and demeaned
00:59:14.780 as if they're women and 1.00
00:59:15.800 you know they talk about
00:59:16.860 the fantasy of going to
00:59:18.340 the gynecologist or
00:59:19.500 whatever there's also a
00:59:21.380 fantasy of being a rape 0.99
00:59:22.540 victim and these men
00:59:24.620 really do go to spaces
00:59:26.480 that were meant only for
00:59:28.460 women and for where 0.99
00:59:29.400 women talk about the 1.00
00:59:30.400 most intimate things
00:59:31.520 so I haven't had to use
00:59:33.440 rape crisis services
00:59:34.460 which I'm very grateful
00:59:35.280 for but I have talked to
00:59:36.440 a lot of women who have 1.00
00:59:37.420 and when you were in
00:59:39.180 these spaces often they
00:59:40.460 will say that no men are
00:59:41.760 allowed not even as
00:59:42.980 plumbers not even as
00:59:44.220 maintenance men they will
00:59:45.540 only have female
00:59:46.220 journalists visit because
00:59:47.780 some of the women are so 1.00
00:59:48.740 traumatized that even the
00:59:50.100 sound of a male voice can
00:59:51.440 trigger their trauma so
00:59:53.340 they have these women only 1.00
00:59:54.140 spaces where women can 1.00
00:59:55.300 talk about all the
00:59:56.260 experiences that brought
00:59:57.460 them to the place where
00:59:58.440 they were raped because 0.95
00:59:59.980 many women who were 1.00
01:00:00.860 raped had long histories of 1.00
01:00:02.700 victimization they were
01:00:04.280 in care or they were
01:00:05.260 abused as children or they
01:00:06.740 ended up in a very toxic
01:00:07.660 relationship with the man
01:00:08.820 who pimped them out that
01:00:09.840 sort of thing and they
01:00:11.420 have women only spaces to 1.00
01:00:12.720 talk about these things and
01:00:13.900 the fact the tragic fact is
01:00:16.300 that some of these men who
01:00:17.620 get off on the idea of
01:00:18.720 being women get off on the 1.00
01:00:20.440 idea of being raped and get
01:00:22.000 off on the idea of sitting
01:00:23.120 in on these sessions so
01:00:24.660 it's not just that we're
01:00:25.960 allowing men into these
01:00:27.060 spaces we're allowing men 0.96
01:00:28.820 who have a neurotic
01:00:29.500 fixation on being in these
01:00:30.840 spaces to be in them we
01:00:32.560 are re-traumatizing rape
01:00:34.120 victims by doing this and
01:00:36.660 the second thing I was
01:00:37.340 going to say is there are
01:00:38.860 lots of trans people who
01:00:40.160 say there is no such thing
01:00:41.320 as autogynephilia they'll
01:00:42.540 say that it was just
01:00:43.260 invented well Ray Blanchard
01:00:44.820 was an excellent sexologist
01:00:45.980 and he did very good
01:00:46.820 research anyone who wants
01:00:47.940 can read it but all you
01:00:49.620 have to do I don't advise
01:00:51.160 this if you've got a
01:00:52.300 sensitive stomach at all
01:00:53.540 but I did do it because I
01:00:54.840 had to for my book is go
01:00:56.940 on Amazon and look up
01:00:58.880 sissy porn and you will 1.00
01:01:00.840 find books that are even
01:01:01.740 free they're self-authored
01:01:03.280 books men are writing these
01:01:04.880 for the fun of it they're
01:01:05.640 not writing it to make
01:01:06.380 money and just see what
01:01:08.220 these men are writing
01:01:08.880 about and what they're
01:01:09.600 fantasizing about and you
01:01:11.680 know it is not something
01:01:12.680 that any woman any woman 0.64
01:01:14.600 is fantasizing about or
01:01:15.920 wants to experience it's
01:01:17.560 an exclusively male
01:01:18.940 phenomenon I've said it
01:01:21.120 before I'll say it again
01:01:21.960 find your voices find your
01:01:24.320 voices it's a it's an
01:01:26.680 existential crisis at this
01:01:28.220 point for women for women 0.97
01:01:29.860 for womanhood we've got to 1.00
01:01:33.420 talk about children let's
01:01:34.660 spend time on that the book
01:01:35.780 does a great job of exposing
01:01:37.820 what's happening the capture
01:01:39.780 of the medical industry the
01:01:42.120 American Academy of
01:01:43.480 Pediatrics shame on them shame 0.89
01:01:46.120 on them the American Medical
01:01:47.360 Association shame on them the
01:01:49.660 money these doctors are
01:01:50.960 making off of these
01:01:52.340 procedures yes at the adult
01:01:53.620 level but also at the
01:01:55.000 adolescent level and the
01:01:57.520 misinformation that is
01:01:58.720 getting spewed by groups like
01:02:00.340 the endocrinologists of
01:02:02.240 America to the point where 0.60
01:02:03.340 now endocrinologists in other
01:02:05.300 countries and doctors in
01:02:06.600 other countries are mocking
01:02:08.620 us are openly penning pieces
01:02:10.500 in the Wall Street Journal and
01:02:11.500 elsewhere saying what's wrong
01:02:13.000 with America we have realized
01:02:15.180 you don't trans kids you 1.00
01:02:17.240 don't medicalize them with
01:02:18.780 puberty blockers and
01:02:19.660 cross gender hormones you 0.92
01:02:21.440 certainly don't perform
01:02:22.380 surgeries on them why is
01:02:24.460 America the most radical of
01:02:26.580 all Helen such a good
01:02:28.920 question isn't it I mean one
01:02:30.460 answer is just that you were
01:02:31.340 patient zero this is where it
01:02:33.260 started so you know the the
01:02:36.620 idea of transitioning people 0.98
01:02:38.340 was something that came about
01:02:39.960 in 1920s Germany but then of
01:02:42.000 course there was the second
01:02:42.760 world war and the the clinic
01:02:45.280 where the very first trans
01:02:46.620 patients or the first the
01:02:48.280 first patients were given
01:02:49.060 what you might think of as
01:02:49.880 early rather brutal trans 1.00
01:02:51.380 surgery and was actually
01:02:53.140 burned down by the Nazis
01:02:54.240 because it was run by a gay 0.99
01:02:55.400 Jewish man but anyway one of 0.99
01:02:57.580 the guys who was connected
01:02:58.460 to that movement Harry
01:02:59.600 Benjamin went to America
01:03:00.720 after the second world war and
01:03:02.460 he started out there and for
01:03:03.720 some decades he was kind of a
01:03:05.040 lone voice talking about how
01:03:07.460 gender is socially constructed
01:03:09.360 and that everybody could be
01:03:10.660 turned into a boy or a girl
01:03:11.880 just by what they were
01:03:12.640 brought up in the first two
01:03:13.580 years and he was the person
01:03:15.460 who commissioned the first
01:03:16.620 sex change surgeries again
01:03:18.420 nobody can change sex that 0.98
01:03:19.920 was just a shorthand and so
01:03:22.380 you know it all grew up in
01:03:23.540 America and then it was 0.83
01:03:24.480 American campuses as well that
01:03:26.800 developed queer theory in the
01:03:28.480 1990s according to which I
01:03:30.540 mean queer theory is just too 0.97
01:03:32.020 tedious to spend any time on but
01:03:33.500 basically it's like your rule
01:03:35.120 of thumb about trans if you just
01:03:36.820 say not or fake instead of
01:03:38.260 trans you get the right answer 0.99
01:03:39.440 queer theory is like everything 0.99
01:03:40.900 it said it says everything bad
01:03:42.120 is good black is white up is
01:03:43.940 down back is front inside is
01:03:45.940 out so queer theory just says 0.77
01:03:47.980 that nothing is real and that
01:03:49.340 everything is socially
01:03:50.000 constructed and it's all just
01:03:51.280 words and it looks smart
01:03:53.480 because it's so all
01:03:54.600 counterintuitive and that
01:03:56.440 really came out of American
01:03:57.560 campuses in the 1990s and
01:03:59.100 2000s and the way that I think
01:04:00.660 of it is these two strands this
01:04:02.640 medical transition and this queer 0.99
01:04:05.240 theory everything is words
01:04:07.120 everything is discourse they
01:04:09.380 joined and they had a horrible
01:04:10.620 little love child which in the
01:04:12.620 2010s exploded in places like
01:04:15.180 tumblr and created a social
01:04:16.720 contagion the like of which
01:04:17.900 nobody has ever seen before and
01:04:20.360 then the last thing I would say
01:04:21.520 about America is because of your
01:04:23.180 political polarization most
01:04:25.500 Americans take all their 1.00
01:04:27.120 political opinions as a package
01:04:28.820 they either think that everything
01:04:30.660 Republicans do and say is evil
01:04:32.520 and everything Democrats do and
01:04:34.120 say is right or they think vice
01:04:35.600 versa and so you know
01:04:37.760 unfortunately the Democratic
01:04:39.820 Party has fallen to this now
01:04:41.640 again it was lobbied you know
01:04:43.320 it's in bed with Big Pharma it's
01:04:45.460 in bed with the lawyers unions and
01:04:47.100 groups it's the group that was it's
01:04:50.560 the party that was very easy to
01:04:51.780 lobby by people like the ACLU and
01:04:53.520 HRC but also the people who had
01:04:56.300 religious and sort of conservative
01:04:58.540 traditionalist objections to all
01:05:00.360 of this were in the Republican
01:05:01.220 Party so a lot of basically well
01:05:04.460 meaning Democrats think you know oh
01:05:06.800 well the Republicans are against
01:05:07.880 childhood transition so I must be
01:05:09.480 for it the Republicans think
01:05:11.180 trans women aren't women so I 0.99
01:05:12.660 think they are and other
01:05:14.280 countries aren't as polarized as
01:05:15.700 you are we're able to think a bit
01:05:17.000 more critically not much more
01:05:18.660 critically a bit right we
01:05:21.840 mentioned Rachel Levine earlier a
01:05:23.420 man who lived his whole life as a
01:05:24.940 man and then in his 50s declared
01:05:26.640 that he was a woman and now he's
01:05:27.880 calling himself the first female
01:05:29.480 admiral to ever work for HHS all of
01:05:32.360 which is a lie still a man he's just
01:05:33.900 dressing as a woman now and he gave
01:05:36.280 an extraordinary interview to ABC
01:05:37.740 just this past weekend I think it was
01:05:39.720 in this past week and had the
01:05:41.880 following assertions he did not
01:05:43.620 trans as a child he married a woman 0.67
01:05:46.180 he had children he earlier is on
01:05:47.780 record as saying he's glad that he
01:05:49.640 waited because he wouldn't have had
01:05:50.820 his children if he had gone trans
01:05:52.720 before he did but now a bit of
01:05:55.820 change in his messaging he'd love for
01:05:57.760 your kids or mine to stop puberty
01:06:00.040 and cross sex with all these 0.57
01:06:02.640 procedures listen to Rachel Levine
01:06:04.380 sought one the treatment options
01:06:07.340 for gender affirming care for
01:06:08.880 transgender youth really are
01:06:11.060 evidence-based what would you say to
01:06:13.020 folks who think that they're being
01:06:14.680 reasonable by saying why can't
01:06:16.220 children just wait till they're 18 0.98
01:06:17.580 adolescence is hard and puberty is
01:06:19.840 hard what if you're going through the
01:06:21.740 wrong puberty what if you inside feel
01:06:25.240 that you are female but now you're
01:06:27.860 going through a male puberty the 0.98
01:06:29.860 argument is well they're too young to
01:06:32.500 know I want to make it clear that for
01:06:34.620 pre-pubertal children there are no 0.98
01:06:36.520 medical procedures done the standard of
01:06:40.260 care allows them to explore that with
01:06:43.120 therapy when you speak out against these
01:06:46.020 bills what do you cite as the harm well
01:06:49.740 gender-affirming care is medical care
01:06:51.620 gender-affirming care is mental health
01:06:53.820 care gender-affirming care is
01:06:55.860 literally suicide prevention care
01:06:57.820 we'll get to the suicide claim but
01:07:01.180 how take on Helen that pre-pubertal 1.00
01:07:04.740 children are not given any medical
01:07:08.380 procedures or care that's that's not
01:07:12.400 true I really hate everything about
01:07:15.240 that interview I think every single
01:07:16.980 sentence that Rachel Levine said is 0.97
01:07:19.100 false and the fact that he is asking
01:07:23.340 for children or saying that children
01:07:25.420 should be given something that he did
01:07:26.760 not have himself why is he doing that
01:07:29.660 you know what about his own identity
01:07:31.900 requires him to use children as child 0.72
01:07:33.760 sacrifices like this I mean you know I
01:07:37.780 was brought up Catholic I am no longer
01:07:39.700 a believer but I still I turn to the
01:07:41.440 words of the Bible when I see things
01:07:42.920 like that and I say better that you tie a
01:07:46.480 millstone around your neck and cast
01:07:48.240 yourself into the sea than that you harm 0.86
01:07:50.000 children like this it's disgusting
01:07:52.480 absolutely disgusting to be harming
01:07:55.760 children in order to prop up and
01:07:57.880 validate adult identities and that's
01:07:59.780 what I am seeing there right rant over
01:08:01.980 and I'll answer your actual question
01:08:03.340 so what what they do is they use a
01:08:07.400 bunch of half truths and outright
01:08:09.840 deceptions and assertions without any
01:08:12.300 evidence and they stitch it together to
01:08:14.220 say okay first nobody's doing
01:08:16.820 irreversible things to prepubescent
01:08:18.560 children and what they're ignoring is
01:08:20.920 what we know about childhood
01:08:22.060 development which is that if you tell a
01:08:24.800 little boy who ardently wishes that he
01:08:26.680 was really a girl that yes he can be a
01:08:28.960 girl and you're going to call him a
01:08:30.740 girl's name tell everybody that he's a 1.00
01:08:32.560 girl dress him in girls clothes you're 1.00
01:08:34.860 going to get away with it because you
01:08:36.040 can turn little boys into something that
01:08:37.380 looks like little girls because 0.96
01:08:38.380 prepubescent children you know it's
01:08:40.260 easy to present them as a member of the
01:08:41.900 opposite sex that kid gets what he wants 0.77
01:08:44.040 he gets to play with the toys that he
01:08:45.660 wanted that you said to him weren't
01:08:47.080 suitable for boys like why the hell 0.97
01:08:48.440 didn't you just say it's fine you can
01:08:49.780 play with Barbie you're a boy but you
01:08:51.200 can play with Barbie anyway then
01:08:53.820 puberty approaches what's that child
01:08:56.120 going to do going to go like all right
01:08:57.640 fine I'm going to grow hair on my chest
01:08:59.000 and my voice is going to break and I'm
01:09:00.140 going to shoot up and you know I'm
01:09:02.060 just going to look like a boy no you've
01:09:03.920 been pretending for the past five
01:09:05.140 years that he's really a girl you've
01:09:06.940 put him on a path that's very very hard
01:09:08.720 to get off even if technically you
01:09:11.200 haven't done something irreversible
01:09:12.940 then the next lie they say is that
01:09:15.200 puberty blockers are reversible that
01:09:17.040 they're just a pause button that they
01:09:18.380 just give you time to think what they
01:09:20.260 actually do we know this now is they
01:09:22.520 lock in the social transition children 0.94
01:09:25.860 who go on puberty blockers almost all
01:09:27.760 like 98% go on to cross-sex hormones so
01:09:31.600 all so they are absolutely not a pause
01:09:33.340 button and they're probably bad for you
01:09:34.820 in themselves I mean you've got
01:09:36.860 children I've got children puberty is a
01:09:38.480 really special time so much changes in a
01:09:40.980 child in puberty it's actually you know
01:09:43.700 it's almost awe-inspiring I only have
01:09:45.480 boys and watching them go through that
01:09:47.300 what looks like that fast forward video
01:09:49.380 of the tree shooting up you know it's
01:09:51.200 amazing I look at it and I think wow you
01:09:53.680 know human biology is incredible look
01:09:55.400 what's happened a child is turning into
01:09:57.420 a man and these wicked wicked people want 1.00
01:10:00.520 to interfere with that process and it
01:10:03.060 harms your brain it harms all sorts of
01:10:05.180 things we probably don't know all the
01:10:06.380 ways that it harms you but it puts you on
01:10:08.480 a path to cross-sex hormones and the 0.99
01:10:10.640 last thing that I'm going to say about
01:10:12.040 this is that if you stop a child's
01:10:15.160 puberty right at the beginning of it
01:10:16.580 that's starting that's stopping the
01:10:18.040 child before the child goes through any
01:10:20.280 pubertal development so the little boy's
01:10:21.840 penis is tiny he's not getting erections
01:10:24.380 he's not getting wet dreams the girl
01:10:26.500 hasn't become fully orgasmic if it's a
01:10:28.220 girl and you put them on this puberty 0.98
01:10:30.240 blocker and then they go straight on to
01:10:31.780 cross-sex hormones you're not just
01:10:33.440 creating somebody who might look like a
01:10:35.400 member of the opposite sex when they've 1.00
01:10:36.680 got no clothes on you're creating somebody
01:10:39.600 who is kind of asexual somebody who is
01:10:41.940 not going to have normal orgasms someone
01:10:44.140 who is not just infertile but sterile you're 0.99
01:10:49.220 creating a human being who can never be a
01:10:51.980 normal adult and when that little boy his
01:10:54.760 penis will never become a full-sized penis
01:10:56.580 if you go if you go down this path I mean it
01:10:59.580 is a human rights abuse of the sort that we
01:11:02.160 look back on lobotomies and we say how
01:11:04.020 did that ever happen we're doing like
01:11:06.440 sex lobotomies and we're doing them on 0.99
01:11:08.600 children and we're doing them probably to
01:11:11.120 tens of thousands of children invisibly
01:11:13.120 in clinics all over America and all over
01:11:15.820 the English-speaking world and it is the 0.99
01:11:18.420 medical scandal of the 21st century and
01:11:21.280 the human rights abuse of the developed 0.95
01:11:23.360 world of the 21st century
01:11:24.900 yes this is why I mean honestly I'm
01:11:27.140 becoming a single-issue voter I will
01:11:28.720 never vote for somebody who is who
01:11:30.060 supports this this is a this is a black
01:11:33.200 and white issue there is no support of
01:11:34.980 this or you're out I will say even on the
01:11:39.060 Republican side we've seen too much
01:11:40.660 wavering Tucker Carlson sat in Iowa with
01:11:43.600 the GOP field all but Trump and had an
01:11:47.200 extraordinary exchange with the former
01:11:49.220 governor of Arkansas Asa Hutchinson
01:11:51.020 Arkansas that is not Connecticut that's
01:11:53.720 not New York that's not California and he
01:11:56.200 rejected a bill that would have banned
01:11:59.640 these medical procedures for minors he
01:12:02.340 tried to get out of the accountability
01:12:04.340 for that for trying to draw a distinction
01:12:06.880 between surgical procedures and these
01:12:09.560 cross-gender hormones which as you just
01:12:11.600 point out no no scalpel is required to
01:12:15.200 make these kids infertile for life make 0.98
01:12:17.420 them unable to achieve sexual climax to 0.52
01:12:20.080 render them asexual the real question 0.99
01:12:22.640 about whether they could even have sex
01:12:24.140 after some of these things so that he
01:12:27.420 wants to draw the distinction but listen
01:12:28.920 to how it went when Tucker asked him
01:12:30.920 about his rejection of that bill
01:12:32.300 if there would have been a bill that
01:12:35.340 said you should not ever have
01:12:39.180 transgender surgery as a minor I would
01:12:42.000 sign that admit because no parent should
01:12:44.260 be able to consent to that permanent
01:12:46.860 change but this bill did go too far it
01:12:50.140 was unconstitutional it interfered with
01:12:52.220 parents and so I sided with parents on that
01:12:55.660 bill in managing the most sensitive issue
01:12:59.000 that a parent can face and I believe in a
01:13:02.420 limited role of government and so you know
01:13:04.880 if I don't think that California ought to be
01:13:07.820 able to tell parents you need to have gender
01:13:11.240 affirming care for the children the
01:13:13.400 government should not do that and in the
01:13:16.160 same way let's keep the government out of
01:13:19.500 it unless it's that extreme case and let's
01:13:22.160 let parents guide the children I stayed with
01:13:25.340 parents
01:13:25.780 what do you make of that Helen so I don't 0.93
01:13:30.000 see an evil speech there I see a misinformed
01:13:32.620 speech you know he's fallen for the
01:13:35.440 misrepresentations of the trans lobby he
01:13:37.580 thinks that these things are reversible that
01:13:40.060 they're pause buttons that nobody is doing
01:13:42.080 anything that can be cannot be undone and he
01:13:46.000 also and this is almost sweet of him he
01:13:49.400 thinks that parents are always standing up
01:13:52.040 for their children's best interests in this
01:13:53.920 now most parents are but some aren't there
01:13:57.220 are parents who are really enjoying the
01:13:59.340 whole drama and the whole I'm so great I'm
01:14:02.360 so progressive of having a trans child it's
01:14:05.380 like a sort of a status symbol in some groups
01:14:09.080 you know it's boring to have a gay child 1.00
01:14:11.160 now but it's really exciting to have a trans
01:14:13.360 child and I'm sorry to say that you know if
01:14:16.200 we said that this you know that was parents
01:14:18.560 rights to allow parents to make their
01:14:20.680 children blind or to you know cut off their
01:14:24.840 legs or inject something in their spine that
01:14:28.020 paralyzed them we wouldn't just say parents
01:14:30.060 rights he doesn't understand what he's saying
01:14:32.460 here he's saying that parents can irreversibly
01:14:34.740 harm their children up to and including the
01:14:36.860 point of sterilizing them but he doesn't know
01:14:39.100 that so people like that just we have to
01:14:41.540 inform them we have to get the word out we
01:14:43.240 have to do better journalism
01:14:44.200 yes exactly right it's a you've got these
01:14:48.580 celebrities who have come out publicly
01:14:50.360 sort of touting their trans children from
01:14:52.620 Charlize Theron to Marsha Gay Harden who
01:14:54.960 says all three of her kids are quote queer
01:14:56.700 Megan Fox was just in the news for similar 0.83
01:14:59.280 statements about her children they have no
01:15:01.740 idea what they're actually doing to their
01:15:03.780 kids and the example that they're pushing
01:15:06.020 on other people it's extremely dangerous
01:15:08.820 what you're basically saying if you submit to
01:15:10.660 this stuff is I sterilized my child I rendered 0.98
01:15:13.320 my child unable to ever achieve sexual
01:15:15.200 climax I rendered them asexual I mean how is 0.98
01:15:18.180 that something you want to run to the news
01:15:19.800 and unless they don't know either Helen I
01:15:22.180 mean unless they don't know either because
01:15:23.480 when the endocrinologists and the American
01:15:26.300 Society of Pediatrics or whatever Academy and
01:15:28.980 the American Medical Association are all saying
01:15:30.560 it's good it's actually the standard of care it's
01:15:32.680 the first line standard of care you can
01:15:35.100 understand the confusion you absolutely can
01:15:37.920 and I should say that most parents who have
01:15:40.040 children who identify as trans I don't put in
01:15:42.100 this category of you know enjoying the drama
01:15:45.080 of it I think it's a subgroup most parents who
01:15:47.900 go along with this do find it deeply distressing
01:15:50.300 and deeply and counterintuitive because they
01:15:53.340 do know in their hearts what they had as a
01:15:55.500 baby like a woman who gives birth to a boy 0.99
01:15:57.380 you've grown that baby boy inside you for nine
01:15:59.600 months or a baby girl you know what your child
01:16:02.500 is you know it in your blood it's it's your
01:16:04.460 flesh and blood and then people are telling
01:16:07.140 you that it's nothing to say that they must
01:16:08.880 be a member of the opposite sex and that you 1.00
01:16:10.420 have to just get with the program so the thing
01:16:12.880 that they do it the reason they do it above
01:16:15.040 all is that they're told that if they don't
01:16:17.160 their child might kill themselves and that is
01:16:19.520 every parent's worst nightmare this movement
01:16:22.700 engages in coercive control and emotional
01:16:25.880 blackmail it tells parents that unless they go
01:16:28.800 along with things that in their heart of hearts
01:16:30.780 they know to be wrong that they are harming
01:16:33.780 their children they're like this movement is
01:16:35.740 like the boyfriend who says if you leave me
01:16:37.780 I'll kill myself and it'll be your fault
01:16:39.380 and they are suggest selling suicide to 0.61
01:16:42.380 vulnerable children too like one thing we know
01:16:44.940 about suicide is that it's emotionally and it's
01:16:47.420 socially contagious like there's guidelines for
01:16:50.540 journalists in every country about how you
01:16:52.800 report on suicide you don't give details you
01:16:55.160 don't attribute it to any one cause you don't
01:16:57.800 present the suicide the suicidal person or the
01:17:00.180 person who committed suicide as being brave and
01:17:02.400 amazing for having done that and that's
01:17:05.020 because we know that people who are distressed
01:17:07.120 and in emotional turmoil and mental health
01:17:09.320 difficulties they read these things and then
01:17:12.220 they go and kill themselves using the same
01:17:13.700 mechanisms or they think that they'll get some
01:17:15.440 sort of admiration for doing it you know it's
01:17:17.260 very suggestible and yet a couple years ago
01:17:20.000 Anthony Bourdain and then Kate Spade right
01:17:22.400 after with a similar approach to it but yes
01:17:25.580 you're exactly right I mean it sadly it is it is a
01:17:28.120 contagion but they talk about it so loosely they
01:17:29.960 threaten it and yet your book reports on the actual
01:17:32.800 studies about the risk the suicidality of trans 0.98
01:17:36.660 people and kids like is it true that as they say
01:17:40.740 something like 48 percent of them will attempt suicide
01:17:43.240 if they don't get the quote gender affirming care
01:17:46.480 absolutely not so the best study that we have looks at the
01:17:51.580 children who are on the waiting list for the nhs clinic in
01:17:54.200 london and because the waiting list is quite long so these children are sort
01:17:57.540 of the same basically as the children who are getting the care
01:17:59.860 and they are more likely to self-harm and sadly slightly more likely to
01:18:04.600 commit suicide but it's still extremely rare for a child to kill
01:18:07.880 themselves and the um the figure is not at all
01:18:11.420 surprising because these are kids who also have a lot of other mental health
01:18:14.400 difficulties there's outsized numbers of them who
01:18:17.160 are depressed anxious self-harming eating disorders
01:18:20.280 autistic spectrum disorders and so on so those co-morbidities as doctors call
01:18:24.840 it those co-occurring conditions that totally explains why you would
01:18:28.640 expect to sadly see a slightly higher risk of suicide among these kids and the
01:18:33.180 second thing to say is there's no evidence whatsoever that allowing them to
01:18:37.000 transition helps they still have the mental health
01:18:39.920 conditions they're still autistic they're still 0.98
01:18:42.440 self-harming they're still depressed so the treatment doesn't work
01:18:46.320 yeah this is this brings me to the july 14th uh of this year wall street
01:18:53.320 journal opinion by several experts experienced professionals as they call
01:18:57.840 themselves involved in direct care for the rapidly
01:19:00.040 growing numbers of gender diverse youth uh from all over they they these
01:19:04.820 clinicians from finland the uk sweden norway belgium france switzerland
01:19:08.820 south africa and even the united states nine countries represented wrote this
01:19:12.680 opinion piece in the wall street journal a few days ago and said and it was in
01:19:17.160 response to the president of the endocrine society backing this alleged
01:19:21.680 gender affirming care all of it is a misnomer and they take issue with the
01:19:27.820 suggestion that this is anything of the sort they say he claimed that this gender
01:19:32.820 affirming care of the kind we've been discussing improves the well-being of
01:19:35.880 transgender and gender diverse people and reduces the risk of suicide they write
01:19:40.640 this claim is not supported by the best available evidence every systematic review
01:19:45.680 of evidence to date including one published in the journal of the endocrine society has
01:19:49.780 found the existence for mental health benefits of hormonal interventions interventions for
01:19:54.120 minors to be of low or very low certainty by contrast the risks are significant and include
01:20:01.540 sterility lifelong dependence on medication and the anguish of regret for this reason more and
01:20:08.860 more european countries and international professional organizations now recommend
01:20:12.120 psychotherapy rather than hormones and surgeries as the first line of treatment they go on to say
01:20:17.580 that this guy dr ham who runs the endocrine society in america his claim that gender transition reduces
01:20:22.640 suicide is contradicted by every systematic review including the one published by the endocrine society
01:20:30.920 which states we could not draw any conclusions about death by suicide they go on to say there is no
01:20:35.960 reliable evidence to suggest that hormonal transition is an effective suicide prevention measure i mean this
01:20:43.500 is so encouraging is it not to see this in the wall street journal people from all those countries
01:20:47.480 these are you know these are liberal countries you know these are it's not like i don't know it's not
01:20:52.440 like russia it's not like vladimir putin you've got the uk you got sweden norway france switzerland
01:20:58.100 all these joining together to say what are we doing
01:21:00.800 i mean it's so hard to explain isn't it except it's like a madness of crowds thing sometimes things go
01:21:07.980 so badly wrong that people can't reverse i mean the moment when somebody who has gone along with
01:21:14.780 what i've said is the worst medical scandal of the 21st century the moment they realize that they might
01:21:19.740 have been wrong is the moment that they realize that they have been complicit in a horrific human rights
01:21:24.580 abuse against children and people are very motivated never to accept that so i think some of the people
01:21:31.080 who are now most actively speaking in favor of gender affirming a so-called care for minors are
01:21:37.860 people who have step by step got themselves to a position that they would never have thought was the
01:21:43.180 right position where they when they started but now there's no way back for them because the way back
01:21:47.640 involves saying we the endocrine society recommended something that we now accept as a medical and human
01:21:53.700 right scandal so they're not going to they're you know there's just they're going to defend
01:22:00.200 themselves to the last possible breath and the last drop of blood rather than accept how culpable
01:22:04.760 they are and i heard you on peter bogosian's talking about how a lot of the people who are pushing this
01:22:10.820 whether it's inside these medical societies because the american medical association is just as bad
01:22:15.180 the american academy of pediatrics the worst again the endocrine society i mean these are terrible
01:22:20.320 they're all on the wrong side but you were saying if you it doesn't take a lot of digging to find the
01:22:25.440 people at the top of these and on similar organizations have a trans kid or have they
01:22:30.340 they have done this to their own child this is the way i think a lot of people and this is nothing
01:22:36.500 against uh folks who are pro-choice but a lot of people who are the biggest pushers of abortion had
01:22:42.080 abortions and you're you've seen something similar in this movement i think there's a very natural
01:22:49.460 human instinct to justify decisions that you've made that can't be reversed and you know it's that
01:22:56.540 thing of saying and you know such and such happened and it was the best thing that could have happened
01:22:59.880 like sometimes it's the only way that you can make sense of your life like my husband left me and i now
01:23:04.360 realize that that was the best thing that could ever have happened like we couldn't live if we didn't do
01:23:07.820 this but with the child thing it's so high stakes you've been told that the child will commit suicide
01:23:13.280 you did your due diligence you went and you looked at what all the bodies that you thought were
01:23:17.240 trustworthy charities with good names governments medical associations they all told you one thing
01:23:23.920 maybe you thought this doesn't sound right but you don't want your child to kill themselves you
01:23:27.940 made a decision it's now not reversible and so you become radicalized and you know it's not even at
01:23:34.600 the top of organizations it doesn't have to be at the top often it's that there's somebody in the
01:23:39.140 organization and nobody can now speak truth in the whole organization so there are specific people
01:23:44.980 i'm thinking of here in the uk who it's not openly known have a trans child but it is known on the
01:23:50.120 grapevine and those people are the ones who pop up all the damn time to claim that women like me 1.00
01:23:57.060 are you know dinosaurs that were the wrong side of history that trans rights are human rights they're 0.90
01:24:02.940 going to dedicate themselves to these things forever and you're like why are you so sure you
01:24:07.240 know there's nothing in your history that suggests to me that this is what you're going to be like you
01:24:10.600 know this person might be you know quite conservative have been working in some totally unrelated field
01:24:15.700 and then you find out why i guess there's a still small voice in the middle of the night that says what
01:24:21.360 if you were wrong and that's the thing you never want to listen to between that and i wanted to read
01:24:27.680 this i skipped past the end of our autogynophile discussion without reading this and i wanted to
01:24:32.640 so you've got those people trying to justify their own life choices their own decisions that are
01:24:38.180 irreversible with respect to their children and instead of owning it and trying to save everybody
01:24:43.780 else's child they want our kids to go down with them and then you've got this other group of
01:24:48.880 autogynophiles you know the men who are getting off undressing like women or joining women's circles and
01:24:53.540 you and you write the following this is so interesting to me and again eye-opening away i was like okay
01:24:58.040 this makes sense because we've talked many times on the show about why the trans activists are the
01:25:02.920 worst activists the worst i mean they're worse than blm they're worse than anybody in terms of the way
01:25:08.840 you must say it this way and you must go along with everything that they believe and you are still
01:25:13.780 on the subject of ray blanchard you say his observations of extremist trans activism in recent years
01:25:18.800 have led him to believe that the leaders are mostly autogynophiles their anger results from envy
01:25:26.200 of women and resentment at not being accepted by women as one of them quote they direct their ire at
01:25:34.500 women because it is women who frustrate their desires men are largely irrelevant this this is exactly 0.87
01:25:41.340 right they are such an angry group and then you realize it's because that as you pointed out earlier
01:25:46.620 they need you and me to engage in their fantasy so you've got them then you've got these activists
01:25:52.200 who made different life choices who need to force them on us and that these are all the reasons again
01:25:57.440 it's the theme of the show why we must must push past trans women are women that's the tweet we must push 1.00
01:26:05.500 past yeah exactly and you know then there's a whole there's the whole kind of people who aren't so
01:26:12.960 invested in it but it's a very cheap virtue signal and then there's another group that we haven't
01:26:17.760 mentioned but i think it's quite a large group and that's people who are basically bullied and
01:26:21.760 terrorized by their own children having adopted this ideology so there's obviously a strong age
01:26:27.100 difference like older people are the least likely to think that people can change sex i mean a bit of
01:26:31.740 life wisdom maybe but anyway for whatever reason this is also just a very recent ideology so it's young
01:26:36.900 people and people who've been to university so i know loads of people and they tell me about it
01:26:42.460 whenever they see me on the street or whenever i meet them at something they say to me i cannot tell
01:26:46.520 my children in particular i cannot tell my daughters where i stand on this because my daughters will cut
01:26:51.760 me off and they will never speak to me again and so you know when you go to events and conferences in
01:26:56.480 this field there will often be people who aren't willing to be photographed and they give out stickers that say
01:27:01.020 no photographs um and often the reason is i don't want my child to see me here and it's not necessarily
01:27:07.520 that it's a trans child it's a child who believes that this is the latest um good cause that you know
01:27:13.260 you have to be um you know pro gay rights um pro blm uh pro trans women are women you know anti-trump
01:27:21.220 a whole bundle of things and they won't talk to their parents and they tell their parents they will
01:27:25.820 never talk to their parents again unless their parents agree with them on this and some of those
01:27:29.820 parents just go along with that they're like all right then fine you know um it doesn't seem right
01:27:33.540 to me maybe but you know my daughter tells me it's right so yeah it's terrifying that's terrifying and
01:27:39.020 those parents you know many of them not all but many of them may have missed the warning signs the
01:27:43.920 three hours a day on tumblr or reddit or youtube where they're getting drawn into this ideology sucked
01:27:50.340 into this very unhealthy messaging these lies and the indoctrination's already happened it's it is tough
01:27:56.020 to fight once it's already happened um i'll say this you write the following in chapter 12 which i
01:28:00.880 completely agree with and it's i mentioned megan rapinoe because she's out there saying it's fine
01:28:04.700 we're you know they should compete against us uh you write this not about her but in general female 0.55
01:28:09.880 athletes who support trans inclusion get to appear generous and inclusive even as they position
01:28:16.880 themselves as superior to women who acknowledge that they do require a separate sex class to be 0.99
01:28:23.460 competitive i was trying to explain this to joe pags he was on the show the other day he's like
01:28:26.540 why does megan rapinoe say this why do these women do it and i said because they want to appear 1.00
01:28:31.380 morally superior it's a psychic income for them they get to virtue signal to their base um that's what
01:28:38.760 they get out of it even if it puts our children in danger all right stand by because when we come
01:28:43.840 back i would like to get into the uh sports situation which is getting better it is getting better
01:28:50.360 by the day more with helen joyce on the opposite side of this break now streaming on paramount plus
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01:29:23.360 one other point on the children which is very important to make you point out in the book
01:29:30.580 that the most recent and best study published in march of 2021 followed 139 boys seen at a
01:29:38.680 toronto clinic between 1975 and 2009 that's a long-term study of 139 children around two-thirds
01:29:46.820 of whom satisfied the clinical criteria for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria it found more than
01:29:52.540 90 percent of them later ceased to feel dysphoric and became reconciled with their biological sex
01:30:00.940 that means leave them alone that's the answer leave them alone yeah that and they will grow out of it
01:30:07.740 yeah exactly and don't tell them that there are things that only boys can go do and only girls
01:30:13.440 can do tell them that anyone can be anything you do you you know if they want to be a boy who plays
01:30:18.620 with barbie or a girl who plays rugby go for it you be your own special little self and you'll be
01:30:23.200 supported and don't teach them that they're you know unstereotypical desires actually make them
01:30:30.180 members of the opposite sex it's super regressive to do that it confuses kids and it's sexist nonsense 0.96
01:30:36.960 right exactly so what i mean i know you spend a lot of time in the book on this being a social
01:30:43.160 contagion abigail schreier's written about at least a litman you quote her too she's both of whom been
01:30:47.520 on the show love them um but for girls in particular girls never suffered from this historically and now
01:30:52.560 they're overwhelmingly the dominant force girls thinking that they're boys um yeah given that's a 0.98
01:30:58.740 social contagion you got a daughter let's say in you know middle school or high school and it turns
01:31:05.340 out that 10 people in her class are suddenly trans including three of her closest friends what do you
01:31:11.200 do i mean ideally you don't get into that situation in the first place i mean parents who are alert to
01:31:17.520 this movement will look at uh the possibilities for their child's school and if you look around the
01:31:23.380 school and you see that it's trans flags everywhere and that teachers are wearing pronoun badges and
01:31:28.560 ask around in your community and find out are there lots of children who are identifying as non-binary or
01:31:33.160 whatever don't send your child there because you know they go through this natural period in teenage
01:31:38.940 years when they think that everything their parents say to them is wrong and they may want to just oppose
01:31:43.600 you for the sake of it but also they think that you're not cool and you're backward and they listen to their
01:31:47.060 own friendship groups so it's really really hard to counter the influence of what happens in school
01:31:52.800 and i would also look at what the school is teaching and what it's got in its library and what
01:31:57.520 it models to the kids because a lot of schools are you know they're transitioning kids behind their 1.00
01:32:02.580 parents banks and they're teaching children lessons in which they explicitly tell the children
01:32:07.800 that biological sex is a construct that what makes you a boy or a girl is your gender identity
01:32:12.900 you know your gender identity and so on they just teach them a mixture of unscientific nonsense 1.00
01:32:18.480 like they're passing around the social contagion now the schools in a lot of states
01:32:22.600 i don't know how you can inoculate your child against being taught lies and being socially
01:32:28.880 indoctrinated by school you can't put your child in that environment it's too dangerous
01:32:34.500 but if it's happened i mean it's really difficult to to deprogram someone who has been programmed into a
01:32:41.060 cult and i mean all i can say is don't end up there don't let your child be indoctrinated into a cult
01:32:47.060 that's exactly right and honestly this is one of the reasons why we're we tell our kids if somebody
01:32:52.320 asks you to say your pronouns just say i'm not comfortable talking like that just say that just
01:32:56.080 say like take it up with my mom if you don't like my answer that'd be another follow-up but i'm not
01:33:01.560 letting them even start getting my kids talking about things like that it you know it it's a gateway
01:33:07.020 it's a gateway it is all the pronouns are all right so on the sports front it's been a calamity 1.00
01:33:12.900 for female athletes but i mean talk about shoots of grass right there we've had some positive 0.99
01:33:19.640 developments like the world cycling organization uci just said no more they'd we we had had two of the
01:33:26.020 top cyclists in in the country on the show recently they did not feel hopeful that it was going to come
01:33:30.500 down this way because the people advising that body were trans activists but it was there wasn't
01:33:36.560 apparently they didn't have a majority there was so much blowback to this organization for men winning
01:33:41.240 in the women's events over and over taking the prize winning the prize money they reversed themselves 0.97
01:33:46.200 they they said this international cycling organization said no more men in women's sports if you want to
01:33:51.320 compete and you're a trans woman you can compete in the open category we've seen similar results in
01:33:56.300 the world running organization at least in i don't know world qualifying competitions in certain
01:34:02.140 competitions in any event we're making progress but can you spend some time on the men running in
01:34:07.420 women's uh competing in women's sports yeah sure so i mean i didn't know until i wrote my book how big
01:34:14.340 sex differences are in all the things that matter in sport i mean obviously i knew they were there i'm
01:34:18.540 actually from a very sporting family although i'm not sporting myself i'm one of nine kids and of the
01:34:23.900 other eight seven of them have played cricket and five of them have played for ireland and that's two
01:34:29.040 girls and three boys among them the girl who was the captain of the irish women's team for many years
01:34:33.980 who's probably the best irish female cricketer that we've ever had so i've always seen sex differences 0.90
01:34:38.660 in sport and also by the way the very sexist differences in which men's sport is lauded and women's
01:34:43.900 sport is underfunded but when i looked into it in the book the differences in strength speed stamina all
01:34:50.680 those things they're really much bigger under the hood than you'd realize if you've never been
01:34:55.100 beaten up by a man or you've never tried to arm wrestle with a 14 year old boy or any of those
01:34:59.120 things i mean actually quite mediocre men are better than the very best women like in most sports
01:35:05.780 an under 18 boy has and often many times thousands of times in a year has beaten the world record in
01:35:12.740 that sport for a woman so you just can't have women and men competing in the same competitions 1.00
01:35:17.460 because all professional athletes would be men there would just be no women's sport so sports 0.96
01:35:22.680 have always done sex testing which is just a simple swab of a cheek swab you just put a cotton 0.83
01:35:27.720 bud in the woman's mouth you check dna yes that's a woman she has that card for the rest of her life 1.00
01:35:32.660 it's that simple but in the 1990s they fell for the idea that people can transition men can change sex
01:35:39.720 and that if a man has had his testicles removed and therefore has no testosterone circulating anymore
01:35:44.640 that he should be allowed into women's sport now actually most of the advantage is baked in during 0.99
01:35:49.580 puberty so that was always nonsense but anyway it was allowed and the thing is it didn't really
01:35:54.060 become an issue because most of the men who'd gone through that surgery were in their 40s
01:35:57.700 so they weren't really very competitive and then step by step as has happened so much in this movement
01:36:03.740 you know you give them an inch which you should never have done but you give them an inch and they
01:36:06.980 take a mile so they said okay if you've had sex change surgery you can compete as a woman 1.00
01:36:12.040 and then they got rid of that condition for sex change surgery they just said lower your 1.00
01:36:16.600 testosterone levels but now like that's something that someone can do in their teens or in their 20s
01:36:21.420 and anyway it's very hard to monitor and some sports have even just said don't bother with
01:36:25.220 lowering your testosterone levels some women have high testosterone and you end up with just a mad 1.00
01:36:29.580 situation and i think the reason there's been pushback in sports before anything else is because it's so
01:36:34.800 visual it's not like in prisons which i actually think is the very worst place that this happens
01:36:39.240 allowing men who are rapists and murderers and torturers into women's prisons but that's done 1.00
01:36:44.200 behind closed doors nobody sees it whereas sport is on the podium and the other thing about sport is
01:36:50.140 it activates our fair play sort of module you know you look at this enormous man and often it's like
01:36:56.200 a man in his 40s and a bit out of shape and he's standing there lauding himself over the two women on
01:37:01.960 either side on the podium and he looks like an idiot he looks ridiculous you know i laugh when i see these 0.84
01:37:07.260 men even though it's not funny it's just a sort of an automatic reaction and so that's why it's
01:37:11.580 happening in sport before anywhere else because it destroys the whole thing no one will even watch it
01:37:15.800 they won't be able to get advertisers they won't be able to get anyone watching their competitions
01:37:19.220 the um the latest polling uh reports nbc news shows that 69 percent of people say trans athletes
01:37:29.160 should only be allowed to compete on the sports teams that correspond with the sex that they were born 0.98
01:37:34.580 with 69 so if you think you're in the minority you're not if you want to speak out about this
01:37:40.180 issue about 70 percent of americans do not think men should be competing in women's sports no matter
01:37:45.440 what their gender confusion is there are so many great nuggets in helen's book you've just got to
01:37:52.360 read it to get the full appreciation of it i'm so grateful to talk to you would you please come back
01:37:57.540 we can continue this discussion there's so many more things that we could talk into of course i'd
01:38:03.000 absolutely love to i've really really enjoyed this conversation and i think you know it's great
01:38:07.400 work what you're doing i i think you'd already proved that you were a very brave journalist but
01:38:11.460 now you know like you've doubled down and tripled down on that and i think women and children
01:38:15.840 everywhere can thank you for that right back at you helen all the best to be continued oh amazing
01:38:22.260 um okay before we go quick reminder tomorrow we have both of the irs whistleblowers speaking out
01:38:27.780 on joe biden and hunter biden gary shapley and we just learned that it's joseph ziegler they will be
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