The Megyn Kelly Show - Trending Toward Trump, and Biden Says ＂Lock Him Up,＂ with Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer, Dan Turrentine, and Dave McCormick ｜ Ep. 924

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.120 We are in the homestretch now of the 2024 election.

00:00:19.020 And like any election, but particularly one as wild as this one has been,

00:00:23.120 we should expect surprises, right?

00:00:25.200 We're going to get—I don't know what they'll be, but we're going to get them.

00:00:28.860 We do every October.

00:00:30.880 But will they matter?

00:00:32.580 Can they matter in this race? 0.92

00:00:35.200 Early voting is underway in record numbers, even for the GOP this time around.

00:00:40.080 And Vice President Kamala Harris' media tour continues,

00:00:43.580 this time with an NBC interview last night and a CNN town hall tomorrow.

00:00:49.440 Later today, we're going to be joined by Dave McCormick.

00:00:51.700 He's running for U.S. Senate in the crucial state of Pennsylvania.

00:00:55.800 He's running against the incumbent, Bob Casey, who had been favored to win this all along.

00:01:02.660 But McCormick is tightening that race up and how in the final weeks of this campaign

00:01:07.940 and has a real shot at possibly taking another seat.

00:01:14.140 You know, the Republicans are accurately deducing that they're going to get West Virginia.

00:01:19.480 It now looks like a lock in Montana.

00:01:21.600 So if they hold on to all the seats that they already have and take those two, they'll be in control.

00:01:27.780 But they'd love to have some cushion because, let me tell you, two years from now,

00:01:31.900 the map looks a lot worse for them.

00:01:33.840 And they could lose maybe Nebraska.

00:01:36.920 They're saying probably not now, but they could.

00:01:39.120 So they'd really want to keep, you know, the numbers high by winning an additional state like Pennsylvania,

00:01:45.420 which would give them firm control in the Senate, 5149.

00:01:49.820 It's the other way around right now.

00:01:51.920 OK, first, though, joining me to kick off the show, the three hosts of The Morning Meeting,

00:01:56.440 a fast-growing interactive show on the Two-Way YouTube channel, which was officially launched today,

00:02:02.480 even though I've seen it before today.

00:02:04.860 But it's the official launch today.

00:02:06.980 Mark Halpern is editor-in-chief of Two-Way.

00:02:09.040 Sean Spicer is a former White House press secretary and host of The Sean Spicer Show.

00:02:13.500 And Dan Turrentine is a former Democratic strategist.

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00:03:18.480 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:03:20.040 Thanks for having me.

00:03:20.600 Thanks for having me.

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00:03:21.400 Okay, so Mark, let's kick it off with you yesterday making news on two fronts.

00:03:25.880 One, you said if things keep going this way in terms of the mail-in vote, the early mail-in vote, I guess mail-in and early voting, then we will likely know before Election Day who has won, suggesting it would be Donald Trump.

00:03:43.420 So, what are you saying?

00:03:45.840 Why?

00:03:46.360 Where do you get that from?

00:03:47.640 Well, make sure you put the if in all caps because this was not like total theoretical hypothetical.

00:03:54.320 But the point is, Republicans are off to a surprisingly good start in the view of Democrats, Independent Analysts, and Republicans in how they're competing in the early, early vote.

00:04:06.020 Mail-in and in-person, Dropbox, all that kind of voting.

00:04:08.580 The likelihood is, Democrats argue, that things will even out, that their lead will not be as big in the early vote as it was in 2020, but it would be big enough to withstand what everyone expects will be a superior performance on Election Day by the Republicans.

00:04:25.960 This is not the way it's been since time immemorial, but for the last few cycles, Republicans have swarmed to the polls on Election Day, and the question is, do they have big enough advantage on Election Day to offset the early vote?

00:04:37.240 This year, because Republicans so far, so far, are doing better on early vote, some people believe that if the trajectory continues, this would lead to an Election Day where the Democrats couldn't catch up.

00:04:51.000 I'm saying, on this trajectory, it's not a prediction, it's not rooting for Trump, and I don't think it's particularly controversial.

00:05:00.000 The big question, as we discuss in the morning meeting all the time, is who's voting early?

00:05:05.320 Is it Republicans who otherwise wouldn't vote, or is it Republicans who are moving their vote from Election Day to the early vote?

00:05:12.080 Either way, Democrats are hoping to do better and need to do better.

00:05:16.180 But, Mark, even if it is Republicans moving their vote from Election Day to the early vote, that's a good thing for Republicans, is it not?

00:05:22.660 Because it's a vote in the bank, it's not dependent on weather, or the kids getting sick, etc., and it allows the people canvassing to focus their efforts on people who have not yet cast a vote.

00:05:36.020 100%.

00:05:36.500 So that's one advantage for Republicans.

00:05:38.180 Another thing to look at is the percentage of the vote in Georgia, for instance, is lower in terms of Black participation in the election than it normally is.

00:05:49.920 Will it even out?

00:05:51.340 Is it possible that Black voters will vote what I like to call late early?

00:05:55.420 Yes, it is.

00:05:56.560 But all I said yesterday was if things stay the way they are, then Democrats are in big trouble in most of the battleground states where we have early voting data.

00:06:07.460 You know, Megan, I spent two elections-

00:06:09.640 It was a reaction to the extraordinarily high numbers for Republicans on the early vote that we haven't seen.

00:06:14.180 I get it.

00:06:14.660 Go ahead, Sean.

00:06:15.640 I was going to say, I spent two presidential cycles at the RNC having to make excuses why we weren't doing as well in early vote, right?

00:06:22.780 That we were going to vote on Election Day, that the other side, the Democrats were cannibalizing their Election Day voters and just getting to vote early.

00:06:30.000 I now know what it's like to be on the other side watching Democrats use the excuses that I used for two cycles.

00:06:35.600 The fact of the matter is Republicans have never done well in modern history with these kind of numbers.

00:06:42.320 You look at Nevada, for example, both Clark County, where Vegas is, and Washoe County, where Reno is, we're crushing it.

00:06:49.860 Never mind the rural counties where we traditionally do better.

00:06:53.200 They're in big trouble.

00:06:54.500 Republicans are up 12,000 votes in the early vote in Nevada.

00:06:57.780 That was the one state.

00:06:58.940 The one state where I was really nervous was Nevada, and not so anymore.

00:07:03.600 This is great news for Republicans.

00:07:05.600 And to your point, Megan, there are some estimates that to contact a voter early on is about 12 bucks.

00:07:12.160 If you have to keep pursuing them, it costs, on average, about 100 bucks.

00:07:16.420 So the earlier that a voter votes on the Republican side, we save about $88.

00:07:21.240 That's money that can be used to go after what we call low-propensity voters, people who only vote in one of four or two of four elections.

00:07:29.120 Plus, you've got to get these people who just registered out, which we're seeing really good numbers on in voter registration in paces like Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona.

00:07:39.240 So for Republicans, this is like the kid that was getting an F suddenly getting a B plus or an A minus.

00:07:46.060 You're ecstatic as a parent.

00:07:47.680 Dan, how are Democrats seeing this early voting data?

00:07:53.440 We'd rather be Sean Spicer right now than-

00:07:56.980 No one's ever said that, Dan.

00:07:58.560 No one has ever said that.

00:08:00.280 Look, I think Democrats are nervous.

00:08:02.200 I mean, Megan, you said it.

00:08:03.920 Whether it's a new voter, pre-existing voter, we'd rather have them in the bank, in the column, than not.

00:08:11.440 And what is concerning is that, you know, traditionally, the Democrats run up the score in the urban areas.

00:08:18.480 And so far, what we're seeing is urban turnout is low.

00:08:22.340 And we've talked about it on the morning meeting.

00:08:24.240 We've talked about it when we visited with you.

00:08:26.520 Who's not turning up right now?

00:08:28.340 Young voters, people of color, you know, young Black men, Latinos in Nevada, as Sean was just saying.

00:08:34.980 And so it's not that they won't turn out, but it's, you know, we would rather be in, you know, have the shoe on the other foot.

00:08:43.560 The good news, if there is some for Democrats, is women are turning out at a much higher rate right now than men, the gender gap being what it is. 0.80

00:08:51.660 I think Democrats feel like they're going to do well with women.

00:08:55.020 And also, the people running the Harris campaign, David Plough, Jen O'Malley, Dillon, they ran Obama's 2012 campaign.

00:09:02.920 They are the best at getting out the vote.

00:09:05.060 And so I think the hope for Democrats, and it really is hope right now, is that while we may be struggling today, ultimately, by the evening of November 5th, you know, our voters will come home and turn out.

00:09:16.300 All right, stand by, because I want to talk about that more, but I got to go back to Mark on his second piece of news last night.

00:09:23.300 So there I am, getting ready to go to bed, and I see everybody's adding me, saying, Mark Halperin says that he's been shopped a story within the last week that is about Donald Trump that, if true, would end Donald Trump's presidential campaign.

00:09:39.900 And everybody's like, what is it? What is it? What is it? Some people are mad at you for saying such a thing, you know, without backing it up.

00:09:49.840 And then everybody added me saying it had already been, quote, debunked, though I hadn't seen you actually say what the story was.

00:09:57.100 So why did you say that without revealing what the story is in a way that could potentially harm Trump by just the looming, I've got something terrible about him, but I'm not going to tell you what it is?

00:10:11.960 I contain multitudes. I'm an old fashioned journalist and I'm newfangled, old fashioned.

00:10:17.220 I'm not putting a story out there that I haven't checked out. Newfangled transparency.

00:10:21.340 The point I was making was keying off of the Atlantic story by Jeffrey Goldberg, making all these accusations against Donald Trump that I find very difficult to adjudicate.

00:10:32.080 But my point is this. Go back to 2000. George W. Bush had been the son of a president.

00:10:36.260 He'd run for governor of Texas twice, and it had never come out that he had a DWI.

00:10:41.280 And it came out in the waning days of the 2000 campaign, leaked to Fox News by the Gore campaign.

00:10:46.360 And my point was stuff is being shopped out there. It's being shopped to the New York Times, being shopped to me, to the Daily Mail, to the New York Post, to the Daily Caller.

00:10:57.240 People who have a desire to affect the race with an October surprise through some packaged opposition research are putting stuff out.

00:11:05.240 The thing that came to me, I don't think it's true. Pretty sure it's not.

00:11:09.340 But I'm certainly not going to put it out there unvetted.

00:11:11.320 And my evaluation is it's not worth my time to vet it anymore. I'm pretty sure it's not true.

00:11:16.980 And my point is. Have you seen it in the press yet?

00:11:19.640 Like people are speculating that it did drop in one way, shape or form yesterday or in the past couple of days.

00:11:24.580 Has it? I will have nothing to say about what it is.

00:11:28.960 And I don't have the best poker face, so I might have to hold this towel in front of me if you start to guess.

00:11:34.700 Well, you can't tell me whether you've seen it already in the press?

00:11:37.580 No, I'm not. I'm not going to discuss the content of it.

00:11:40.440 My point is, was trying to fill people, my viewers in on this reality.

00:11:45.380 Now, you're thinking about an October surprise and people talk about Israel or Martian invasion, whatever it is.

00:11:50.500 The most likely October surprise, if you look at history, is one of these things.

00:11:55.120 And we saw Jeffrey Goldberg in the Atlantic launch one yesterday, I think to minimum effect for a variety of reasons that probably everybody knows.

00:12:02.640 What what is surprising about the Jeffrey Goldberg piece, Sean Spicer?

00:12:06.760 So the audience knows Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic, who's got a terrible history as a reporter.

00:12:11.460 I mean, just go just go watch Glenn Greenwald today.

00:12:14.860 Go feed. Go watch Glenn's Twitter feed and he'll explain you to you all the background of Jeffrey Goldberg.

00:12:20.140 He has dropped more stuff about John Kelly thinking Trump is Hitler, admires Hitler, wants to be like Hitler, wants the generals to be like Hitler in specific.

00:12:35.100 We've heard all that. We we know all of that.

00:12:38.820 John Kelly's been jumping up and down ever since Trump fired him trying to tell us that.

00:12:43.540 So other than now there's audio, like what is the surprise of the Atlantic piece?

00:12:50.440 Nothing. And I think that's, you know, if you're a Trump hater and you were never going to vote for Trump, you're like, oh, my gosh, he's exactly the person I thought he was.

00:12:57.960 Because Jeffrey Goldberg has this story about this soldier that that this family that had to deal with a funeral, et cetera, et cetera, that somehow novel and is being denied.

00:13:10.680 There's nothing new. I mean, that's the bottom line is that Goldberg is basically going to the well and saying, I don't like the trajectory of this race. 0.95

00:13:17.560 What can I throw out at Trump right now to get people more fired up?

00:13:21.500 But I don't as Mark said, it's you know, a lot of it is not credible.

00:13:24.740 It's not verifiable. And there's plenty of people who are debunking it.

00:13:27.900 And there's nothing in that story that I think anybody's going, God, that's new.

00:13:33.180 So, I mean, I think it's all in the eye of the beholder at this point.

00:13:37.980 If you hate Trump, it's one more piece of evidence why I don't like the guy.

00:13:41.820 But if you've seen the movie, this is sort of like Scream 8.

00:13:45.560 Like you have a feeling that, you know, Ghostface is going to go after them at the end.

00:13:49.660 It's it's it's so predictable what's happening.

00:13:52.460 The other piece of it is the John Kelly thing.

00:13:56.220 John Kelly also was on CNN and he spoke to The New York Times.

00:13:59.080 We've got the audio of his claims, which I mean, I've heard them.

00:14:01.640 I've heard these claims many times.

00:14:04.820 I I think only leftists think now adding his audio or his face to it, Dan, is going to change things for people.

00:14:13.580 I this has all been baked in the cake.

00:14:16.060 The second piece of the the story is that Trump allegedly offered to help with the funeral expenses for this military family.

00:14:26.520 And then when he was allegedly billed sixty thousand dollars for the funeral expenses, said something like it doesn't cost sixty thousand dollars to bury an effing Mexican. 0.90

00:14:38.780 And he and his people have denied it.

00:14:42.620 The family is still standing by Trump and doesn't they're taking issue with this reporting.

00:14:49.240 Look, I just you tell me, Dan, what is the Democrat thinking behind this is going to do it like for the people who can't pay their rent, their electricity bills, their grocery bill?

00:15:01.840 This language, even if true, John Kelly's opinion that he wants generals like Hitler, if true, is going to do it. 0.97

00:15:10.260 I don't think it will.

00:15:11.920 I think it's great cocktail chatter.

00:15:14.000 It's gossipy.

00:15:14.900 It's salacious.

00:15:16.000 You know, I don't think anyone who's reading either The Atlantic or The New York Times at this point doesn't know who they're voting for.

00:15:22.120 To me, where I think the Harris campaign is starting to focus and I think it is worthy of discussion is it is unprecedented, whether in a presidential or gubernatorial or a Senate race, for so many senior people who served a leader to speak out against him or her.

00:15:40.560 That, to me, is is much better terrain for the party and I think worthy of someone to consider in their vote. 0.88

00:15:47.660 But all of this, look, Trump, you know, has a potty mouth and he says wild and crazy things.

00:15:53.200 To your point, I believe this is well baked into the cake and it's not going to move somebody in suburban, you know, Philadelphia or Milwaukee at this point.

00:16:03.440 Megan, can I make one quick point that Dan's it?

00:16:06.060 What is unbelievable and I never I am always reluctant to give the Democrats any advice, especially this close to an election.

00:16:12.480 But to Dan's point, the strategy, sometimes you want to jump through the screen and say, like, you guys have so missed the mark.

00:16:20.200 Right. When she does these interviews, like the one she did yesterday was asked, what would you do differently or what's one policy that you would change?

00:16:27.600 And her answer is, well, I don't want to criticize the president.

00:16:30.220 I mean, that's the lamest thing I've ever heard.

00:16:32.320 But it's there are layups in politics and she misses the layups.

00:16:37.940 This strategy of somehow just like I think Dan just articulated this perfect.

00:16:42.080 If you wanted to go after him, say, when in history have we ever seen this many people this close to a president not want to support him?

00:16:47.880 They can't even do the basics on the messaging.

00:16:50.400 And I I scratched my head over and over again saying, why do you guys not get this?

00:16:56.160 Megan, I'll get you to weigh in.

00:16:57.840 And I do want to just add this because in defense of President Trump, Mark Meadows, he tweeted out the following on X.

00:17:04.520 I was in the discussions featured in the Atlantic's latest hit piece against President Trump.

00:17:08.400 Let me say this.

00:17:09.400 Any suggestion that President Trump disparaged Mrs. Guyin or refused to pay for her funeral expenses is absolutely false.

00:17:16.320 He was nothing but kind, gracious and wanted to make sure that the military and the U.S. government did right by Vanessa and her family.

00:17:23.740 Go ahead, Mark.

00:17:24.200 There are two things that run parallel.

00:17:27.380 Tens of millions of our fellow citizens believe that Donald Trump is morally unfit and disqualified from serving as commander in chief because of the mindset and the conduct that the Atlantic article purports to illustrate.

00:17:40.300 Parallel to that, the vice president has decided that her closing argument is not, I will help middle class families achieve their economic and other dreams.

00:17:50.160 But rather, Donald Trump is a bad guy whose character disqualifies him from serving for president.

00:17:56.400 That's the Liz Cheney argument.

00:17:57.920 It's what Donald, it's what Barack Obama has focused on.

00:18:01.560 It's what a lot of their advertising is about now.

00:18:03.940 That's where their focus is.

00:18:05.280 And the power of the Atlantic piece is simply that in one news cycle or maybe two, that's what the dominant media is leading with.

00:18:13.240 Is that going to persuade undecided voters?

00:18:15.660 Maybe.

00:18:16.520 Is it going to inspire the base?

00:18:18.080 Definitely.

00:18:18.980 And they've got to do both right now.

00:18:20.460 So I think I think it's a mistake from Democrats I've talked to who are very skeptical.

00:18:25.260 This is the message Joe Biden ran on.

00:18:26.960 It didn't work for him.

00:18:28.620 For whatever reason, they've turned to this as their message.

00:18:31.820 And so if you're running this campaign in particular, the Harris campaign, really likes to play off what's in the news.

00:18:38.140 So they spent two days attacking Donald Trump for going to McDonald's.

00:18:40.880 They want things in the news that speak to Donald Trump's character.

00:18:45.520 And that's why the Atlantic story, suspiciously timed for two weeks before Election Day, gives them 24 hours to talk about that.

00:18:53.240 Dovetailing earned media with their chosen message.

00:18:56.220 That's why it matters.

00:18:56.960 One day with two weeks to go, they get to dominate the news with this thing.

00:19:01.780 Well, and what's interesting for them to keep that McDonald's story running, though, such a good story for Trump.

00:19:06.260 The smart political move is ignore it.

00:19:08.320 Ignore it.

00:19:08.700 It didn't happen.

00:19:09.320 Move on.

00:19:09.720 And I don't want to reinforce that great image for him.

00:19:12.040 Go ahead, Dan.

00:19:12.940 Yeah.

00:19:13.360 Well, what's interesting, too, is the Democrats research, both the campaigns and outside groups supportive of the campaign, have really shown that when surrogates make the attacks against Trump, they fall flat.

00:19:27.100 The only thing that apparently moves the needle is when Republicans themselves speak out.

00:19:31.900 So unless John Kelly and all of these people are going to show up at rallies and look into the camera and really detail this,

00:19:38.540 there is no qualitative or quantitative data that dismoves votes.

00:19:43.120 And that's frustrating.

00:19:44.180 Hey, Megan, since you name-checked McDonald's, can I make one quick point on this?

00:19:48.320 Because it's blowing my – the idea that a Saturday visit for like 20 minutes to McDonald's is still blowing minds on the left.

00:19:55.400 McDonald's put out a statement, which is awesome, because you have people like Garrett Haake and Hallie Jackson at NBC News using the phrase,

00:20:02.740 Trump, without evidence, falsely claimed she worked at McDonald's.

00:20:06.120 This is McDonald's statement.

00:20:07.660 Though we are not a political brand, we've been proud to hear former President Trump's love for McDonald's and Vice President Harris' fond memories of working under the arches.

00:20:17.140 While we and our franchises don't have records for all positions dating – like, they can't even corroborate that she worked there. 0.92

00:20:24.460 And that doesn't – I mean, this – they've now piled on.

00:20:28.460 And I know that McDonald's is trying to get out of it.

00:20:30.100 But like, this story, which should have just been left by the left, they've dug themselves into a deeper and deeper hole to the point where McDonald's has to put out a statement saying,

00:20:39.600 we have no record of her working here.

00:20:42.660 Right.

00:20:43.440 Why would you do such a thing?

00:20:44.840 But now, here's this.

00:20:46.540 So John Kelly doing the media tour, trying to own the cycle, I get it.

00:20:50.320 And I get that he hates Trump.

00:20:51.620 He was fired.

00:20:52.720 I mean, I'm not trying to impugn his ethics, but he was fired.

00:20:56.620 And so one doesn't know exactly what went down between the two of them behind closed doors.

00:21:01.840 Clearly, Trump doesn't like him.

00:21:02.860 Trump's made very disparaging statements about John Kelly, who served his country honorably in the military, and his son died serving our country.

00:21:10.040 So we respect that and honor it.

00:21:12.160 But here is, in part, what John Kelly told The New York Times.

00:21:17.340 This is audio on the Hitler point.

00:21:19.580 This one's for you, Sean.

00:21:20.840 It's not too.

00:21:21.540 Thanks.

00:21:22.300 He commented more than once that, you know, that Hitler did some good things, too. 0.93

00:21:27.100 And, of course, if you know history, again, I think he's lacking in that.

00:21:33.860 But if you know what Hitler was all about, it would be pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good. 0.96

00:21:40.220 So what would you say when he said to you that Hitler did a lot of good things? 0.66

00:21:44.800 Well, I'd tell him that.

00:21:45.680 I said, you know, if you, first of all, you should never say that.

00:21:49.740 But if you knew what Hitler was all about from the beginning to the end, everything he did was in support of his racist, fascist life, you know, philosophy, so that nothing he did, you could argue, was good. 0.85

00:22:10.800 It was certainly not done for the right reason.

00:22:13.420 But he would occasionally say that.

00:22:18.660 What would he say when you would lay that out to him?

00:22:22.360 He'd just, you know, that would be the end of the conversation, usually.

00:22:25.540 He goes on to say, Sean, that Trump's it seems like Trump's raising, if he did, the issue of Hitler was because Trump had admiration for how Hitler's generals did as they were instructed, that he wanted compliant generals doing what he wanted them to do.

00:22:43.860 And that Kelly was informing him that members of the administration took an oath to defend the Constitution, not to do just whatever the president tells them to do.

00:22:54.120 Because then he gets into how he told Trump some of Hitler's generals tried to kill him, actually.

00:23:01.200 They weren't that loyal.

00:23:02.840 Tom Cruise made a whole movie out of it called Valkyrie.

00:23:05.420 Um, that's true.

00:23:07.340 But for the most part, they they did do what Hitler wanted them to do, which is it's become a famous meme about how they say the best general that the allied forces had was Hitler because he was so backwards in his strategy and his approach. 0.57

00:23:24.960 And most of the generals did do what he wanted them to do, which is why they lost, because he wasn't a great military strategist.

00:23:32.440 Anyway, this is just back of the envelope stuff on, you know, historical Hitler facts.

00:23:36.780 Um, but I'm just trying to give the context.

00:23:38.800 It seems like this came up, if at all, in Trump's frustration that his generals were not doing as he wanted them to do.

00:23:45.520 Um, it's true as a principle that they take an oath to the Constitution.

00:23:49.840 But can you please explain for us why so many people in the Trump administration have turned on him?

00:23:57.140 You were you were there.

00:23:58.400 Why does John Kelly hate him so much?

00:24:00.500 Why?

00:24:00.720 Why have all these guys turned on him?

00:24:03.260 It's an interesting question.

00:24:04.480 I think there are some unique circumstances regarding some of these cases.

00:24:08.020 Why certain individuals they have they were fired in some cases.

00:24:11.800 Their advice wasn't taken.

00:24:13.580 And they were undermined by somebody else.

00:24:16.900 You know, the one thing and we talked about this in the morning meeting that I think is fascinating.

00:24:21.260 Um, there were several instances during my tenure, where there'd be a story, whether it's Politico or the New York Times or what have you, where they'd say, you know, uh, in a meeting that occurred, this and this happened.

00:24:31.600 And the four people in the meeting all agreed that that never happened, that never was discussed.

00:24:36.440 I'm not trying to impugn General Kelly's, uh, integrity or his comment, but I'm just saying that I always find it fascinating.

00:24:42.620 The stories that occurred during my tenure that never occurred, that had five sources, none of which were in the room, um, that got printed.

00:24:51.340 Well, let me just add something on that.

00:24:52.880 But then I want to redirect you to my question.

00:24:54.560 I want to add something on that.

00:24:55.580 One of General Kelly's objections, as I read the New York Times piece in particular, was, or one of his comments was, he's very disturbed.

00:25:02.740 The reason he came out and spoke on camera and on audio is he's most disturbed that Trump is talking about unleashing the military on the American people.

00:25:12.440 And that is not what Trump said.

00:25:15.560 What Trump said was that we have a great enemy within people like Adam Schiff, who he thinks are undermining democracy and who's an enemy of Trump's.

00:25:24.720 And he said, when asked by Maria Bartiromo about Joe Biden's prediction that there could be chaos on election day by Trump voters, Trump responded, no, there won't be, not by Trump voters.

00:25:37.080 And she said, well, what would you do if there were, you know, rioting on election day?

00:25:42.160 That's what she's asking him.

00:25:43.460 And he's saying, I'm not going to allow that.

00:25:46.680 I would unleash the National Guard and, if necessary, the military.

00:25:50.360 It's the Tom Cotton piece in response to the BLM riots.

00:25:55.160 So this so but my point is not to rehabilitate Trump on that.

00:25:58.780 It's to say John Kelly appears to have an understanding of Trump's statements that is akin to something you might find if you watched MSNBC all day, which makes me not trust him or his lens through which he receives information when it comes to Donald J.

00:26:13.520 Trump. Go ahead, Sean.

00:26:15.180 No, I think the context that you just provided is is super important, right, because you did what the media won't.

00:26:21.280 They just were playing his clip.

00:26:23.440 But she asked him specifically what you just said, which is, how would you respond if the following happened?

00:26:29.840 Now, remember, just to keep this in context, Trump was criticized for not immediately calling the National Guard on January 6th, according to the Democrats.

00:26:37.880 Right. So they want him to use it at certain points.

00:26:40.620 They don't want him to use it at others.

00:26:42.500 Trump was very clearly responding to Maria Bartiroma's question about what he would do.

00:26:47.280 OK, but wait, I said all that.

00:26:48.160 Get back to my my hard question, which is why are there so many administrative administration officials who hate him, have quit and are leaking to the press about how bad he was?

00:26:59.280 Again, as I said, I think some of them just have a personal animus towards him because of how they personally were treated or the advice that they were given.

00:27:06.980 I watched it constantly in the Oval Office.

00:27:09.520 Two people would come in, give him two versions of a policy, and then he would choose one person.

00:27:14.460 And the other person would walk out of there and say, fine, I'm going to find people to undermine your argument.

00:27:19.900 I'm going to leak it to the press.

00:27:21.420 People around him have big egos.

00:27:23.280 And when he said, I mean, I watched him bring in a bunch.

00:27:25.900 We were talking about Afghanistan policy one day, and he said, I want 10 enlisted soldiers to come in that have served in Afghanistan.

00:27:31.920 And he sat around a table and said, tell me about your experience.

00:27:35.000 And it pissed a lot of people off that he wasn't taking the advice of the more senior people and asking the actual enlisted folks, tell me what your experience has been.

00:27:44.220 And did you understand the mission?

00:27:45.580 Are we winning?

00:27:46.580 Are we moving forward?

00:27:47.660 Were you getting the equipment and the tools that you needed?

00:27:50.720 They hated that.

00:27:52.000 They hated the fact that they came in, gave their PowerPoint presentation, and they were being undermined by a guy who didn't just sign off on it with like a blank check.

00:28:00.320 So I think Washington is full of a lot of guys with a lot of big egos that don't like the fact that when they come into a room, everyone doesn't just say, oh, great idea.

00:28:08.680 Let's move forward.

00:28:09.980 Well, including in the military.

00:28:12.080 Yeah.

00:28:12.240 Well, there's a lot of people I've watched it all the time and Trump would blow up and say, we're not just doing the same thing over and over again.

00:28:18.320 And I think for people who are used to the system that said, oh, well, this is the way it's always been.

00:28:23.960 They were pissed.

00:28:24.900 I mean, to me, this plays into, Mark, something that many people in the GOP base and frankly beyond who are sick of the forever wars admire in Trump, which is he did not bend the knee to the generals who we now we would later learn couldn't stand Trump.

00:28:43.580 That he they do tend to be like the surgeons, you know, the surgeon wants to cut the general wants to go to war.

00:28:50.480 And Trump is much more of a pacifist.

00:28:53.560 I mean, he's not fully, you know, a peacenik, but he's much more of a pacifist than the neocons of the Republican Party of old who absolutely like Dick Cheney would have said to the generals.

00:29:04.900 How can we extend wars and continue them?

00:29:07.940 That's really kind of unkind about Dick Cheney, but it's kind of right.

00:29:12.640 And this I'm just looking at this story like this kind of makes sense to me that Trump would be frustrated with these generals.

00:29:19.160 As Sean said, he would have brought in enlisted folks who actually fought and gotten their perspective to the great frustration of people, even like John Kelly.

00:29:26.560 And we're what we're watching play out in the media right now is that dynamic and not Trump wanting to be like Adolf Hitler.

00:29:37.280 So I've very ambivalent, nuanced view of this.

00:29:41.200 I as a human being and as a journalist, I find it hard to side with either side.

00:29:45.060 I find I find it incredible that Trump would say the things I find incredible.

00:29:48.480 He'd lie about it. I find incredible.

00:29:49.860 They would lie about it.

00:29:50.700 But something's got to give even accounting for, you know, mushy middle Rashomon sort of different memories.

00:29:55.620 Here's a fact.

00:29:57.480 People in the military honor.

00:29:59.460 We honor their service.

00:30:00.500 People in the intelligence community honor their service.

00:30:03.220 What's also true about them. 0.96

00:30:04.700 They're liars. 1.00

00:30:05.600 They're leakers and they're bureaucratic infighters. 0.99

00:30:08.500 And those instincts come out when they're going against Donald Trump because they don't like Donald Trump and he threatens them.

00:30:15.940 I'm not siding with them. 0.95

00:30:17.200 I'm not saying they're all liars, leakers and bureaucratic infighters.

00:30:19.980 But a lot of them are the 51 intelligence officers who signed the letter about Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:30:24.980 That characterizes them in that action.

00:30:28.140 And so I think figuring out this for history, let alone in the next two weeks, it's going to be a big challenge because the motives and the interests of this group are adverse to Donald Trump.

00:30:40.920 There's no doubt that the people who are telling stories about what they say he said, they don't want him to be president.

00:30:45.800 So they have the motive to do what they can to stop him, to take their credibility and to say things to stop him.

00:30:51.720 Does that mean they're lying?

00:30:52.940 Absolutely not.

00:30:54.120 Is it possible they're lying?

00:30:55.700 Absolutely.

00:30:57.440 Mm hmm.

00:30:58.300 Well, meantime, Kamala Harris, Dan, continues her just ill fated media tour.

00:31:04.500 It isn't getting any better.

00:31:06.180 Last night, she sat down with Hallie Jackson of NBC.

00:31:09.400 And while Hallie Jackson did her level best to try to help Kamala Harris with the line of questioning, she couldn't.

00:31:16.540 There was no new position taken that would possibly change her trajectory in this race.

00:31:22.380 I will give Kamala Harris one kudos, and that is even though Hallie Jackson tried three times to make her talk about being a woman and identity and how much it mattered, Kamala Harris did not do it. 1.00

00:31:38.540 And that's exactly the right move.

00:31:40.580 That was smart.

00:31:41.820 And I give her kudos for not doing. 0.91

00:31:43.600 I mean, it was just pathetic, though, how obvious Hallie Jackson was like in trying to get her. 0.55

00:31:48.680 So I'll give the audience a sense of how this went. 0.71

00:31:51.420 OK, she comes out with the economy, the cost of living. 1.00

00:31:55.740 That's what's really upsetting people in this race, that more voters think the Biden policies have hurt rather than help them are the last four years an obstacle.

00:32:03.540 That's a fine opening question.

00:32:05.500 And Kamala Harris did fine. 0.93

00:32:07.640 She said this won't be a continuation of the Biden administration.

00:32:10.600 I have my own experiences.

00:32:11.800 She talked about groceries being too high, price gouging, cost of housing, her $25,000 down payment.

00:32:17.640 She was on message here with her same same three things she always says.

00:32:23.520 Nothing new.

00:32:24.620 If you don't want to buy a new home for the first time, if you're already a homeowner, if you don't have a child that was born this year, and if you don't think that her price gouging plan is going to lower your groceries, you're not going to be helped by what she said.

00:32:39.380 Then, OK, why is it not landing with voters?

00:32:41.840 In fact, it's the opposite.

00:32:42.760 Trump leads you on this issue.

00:32:44.940 Fine.

00:32:45.380 She goes on with banal stuff about how well I've got to earn their vote.

00:32:48.720 But I'm focused on the middle class and he's focused on the billionaires.

00:32:52.140 That's generic Democrat stuff.

00:32:53.660 Hallie Jackson, the last time when you were running for president in 2019, you said the elephant in the room was whether the country was ready for a woman and a woman of color to be president.

00:33:05.960 Do you think we're ready?

00:33:07.540 Kamala says, absolutely, we're ready.

00:33:09.380 And then she moves on past that.

00:33:11.680 And she goes on to give her a whole—she's been saying this over and over.

00:33:15.000 I started as a prosecutor.

00:33:16.180 I never asked a victim of a crime, a witness to a crime.

00:33:18.400 Are you a Republican or a Democrat?

00:33:19.560 Can I just say a minute on that?

00:33:20.620 No prosecutor would ever ask anybody involved in a crime that question.

00:33:27.340 You would be kicked out of office that day.

00:33:30.300 Obviously, a victim of a crime's politics are entirely irrelevant.

00:33:35.900 And that would be so far beyond the pale.

00:33:38.600 I don't know why she wants us to give her credit for not asking that question.

00:33:42.160 It doesn't show that she's nonpartisan.

00:33:44.220 OK.

00:33:44.980 Then she goes back again.

00:33:46.380 Hallie Jackson, you've been reluctant to lean in to talk about the historic nature of your campaign.

00:33:50.620 And to her credit, she doesn't do it again.

00:33:55.480 She says, I'm clearly a woman.

00:33:56.960 There's no need to point it out.

00:33:58.800 The point most people care about is, can you do the job?

00:34:01.120 Then she goes back to, and I kid you not, what we're doing is addressing people's concerns, challenges, their dreams, their ambitions, their aspirations.

00:34:10.260 Dan, then Hallie Jackson goes again.

00:34:15.800 Again, she says there's a big gender gap in this race. 0.99

00:34:18.980 Fewer men support you than they did Biden.

00:34:21.980 Some of your allies have suggested there's sexism at play.

00:34:25.640 Do you think there's sexism?

00:34:27.160 She can't get off of it.

00:34:29.000 Dan, what's happening here?

00:34:31.500 Is this that important to Democrat voters that Kamala Harris played the identity card? 0.97

00:34:38.040 Yeah, I was really taken aback that she kept going back at it because throughout this short campaign, to your point, Harris has been really good about not focusing on that, saying I have to earn it.

00:34:49.360 You know, the country is not going to look at whether I'm a woman or a black.

00:34:53.800 They're going to look at whether I'm qualified.

00:34:55.820 And it was surprising that Hallie Jackson kind of kept trying to get her to open up about that.

00:35:02.440 But, you know, as Kamala Harris likes to brag, she has good message discipline. 1.00

00:35:06.360 And she did so in that instance when pressed.

00:35:11.480 OK, but follow up to you, Dan.

00:35:13.040 So, by the way, the next question by Hallie Jackson.

00:35:15.920 Do you not see sexism as a factor in this race at all?

00:35:18.240 Oh, my God, which gee, Hallie, do you is it possible you see that as a I mean, my God.

00:35:25.340 OK, so four questions on the gender thing is absurd.

00:35:28.500 But here's what's interesting, Dan.

00:35:30.360 She did this the other day, too, out.

00:35:33.300 I think it was Pennsylvania when Peter Alexander was questioning her of NBC.

00:35:38.400 Now, Hallie Jackson has asked this sexism question. 0.94

00:35:40.800 And Kamala Harris does this again. 0.78

00:35:43.200 She says.

00:35:45.540 You've come to my events.

00:35:47.060 Yes, you will see.

00:35:49.580 There are men and women at these.

00:35:54.640 OK.

00:35:55.800 Good thing there isn't other.

00:35:57.500 Yeah.

00:35:58.200 Right.

00:35:58.800 She says.

00:35:59.920 So the experience that I am having is one in which it is clear that regardless of someone's gender,

00:36:05.840 they want to know that their president has a plan to do the following great things.

00:36:09.380 So I don't understand this either, Dan.

00:36:12.420 I think the answer that any Democrat would say, I think, would be, yes, there is a gender gap in this race.

00:36:19.640 And women are heavily favoring me. 1.00

00:36:22.800 And some more men are favoring my opponent.

00:36:25.740 And I've got to earn the votes of those men.

00:36:28.100 And here's why I think they should vote for me.

00:36:31.300 You know, like they would.

00:36:32.940 Why won't she own what everybody knows is the case about this election? 0.97

00:36:36.620 Yeah.

00:36:37.780 You know, sometimes Trump's real bluntness is his beauty.

00:36:41.020 Right.

00:36:41.340 He's like, I'll be great for women.

00:36:42.960 I mean, he just kind of blurts it out.

00:36:44.500 And then, you know, he goes on to talk about it.

00:36:46.960 And, you know, this has been an issue.

00:36:49.480 I mean, we talked about it when we were on last when Barack Obama was like, the reason black men aren't voting for Kamala Harris is she's a woman, which was just incredibly patronizing.

00:36:58.020 I don't know, you know, why she won't just admit it, why she won't kind of try to turn on it.

00:37:04.800 But, you know, her message discipline has been very intense.

00:37:08.560 She has stuck to her kind of narrow set of talking points to the point where I think she's offended some voters. 0.97

00:37:15.020 I hope they haven't thrown their hands up and locked in for Trump.

00:37:18.160 But it is something you see.

00:37:20.100 You know, we hear it on our show.

00:37:21.740 You see it in the data, both the campaigns and what's out there publicly, that there is frustration that she is so scripted and so tight in her answers.

00:37:33.640 And I think some of her best moments on the campaign have been when she's leaned forward and had passion and energy and kind of gotten off the talking points, which really the one issue where we see that is when it's anti-Trump.

00:37:46.760 Like you can tell she dislikes the guy so much.

00:37:49.420 It really probably is the animating reason why she's running. 0.64

00:37:53.040 I think if you ask the average voter, why does Kamala Harris want to be president? 0.98

00:37:56.700 She just hates Trump.

00:37:57.940 I don't know if that's going to be successful or not, but it's the only place that she kind of lets the guard down, lets the hair down and really shows who she is and how she feels.

00:38:06.780 And voters like that.

00:38:07.520 I think that's right.

00:38:08.300 What they love about Trump.

00:38:09.860 OK, then we get five.

00:38:12.800 Count them five.

00:38:13.840 We had four sexism questions.

00:38:15.280 Now we have five questions on abortion.

00:38:17.740 Five.

00:38:18.180 This is like, OK.

00:38:20.980 And by the way, this question has made no sense either.

00:38:23.800 She's like reproductive rights, abortion access. 1.00

00:38:27.300 What's specific?

00:38:28.520 And then she says, if you win, it's possible Congress will be controlled by Republicans.

00:38:32.220 So what specific concessions would you be willing to make in order to get something done on abortion access as soon as possible?

00:38:39.140 So here she ignores that this has become a state's issue.

00:38:41.720 Right.

00:38:42.200 Like what what concessions to what?

00:38:45.760 Because what consent?

00:38:47.720 What are we negotiating?

00:38:48.940 What has Kamala Harris? 1.00

00:38:50.440 What she wants to restore the Roe versus Wade regime?

00:38:53.720 But whether a president or the U.S. Congress has the ability, I mean, the constitutional authority to do that, to regulate abortion at the national level, is very much in doubt.

00:39:03.100 Trust me, as a lawyer, that is very much in doubt.

00:39:05.460 So I guess the presumption is that they do and that Kamala Harris is going to get a Roe versus Wade regime restored with the help of Congress. 0.63

00:39:11.840 I'll give Holly Jackson the facts that are not actually presented by her.

00:39:16.920 What would you be willing to do in terms of concessions to make that happen on abortion access?

00:39:21.300 She doesn't answer.

00:39:23.340 And she says, again, it's a question of pragmatism.

00:39:25.740 What concessions would be on the table?

00:39:27.320 Religious examples, religious exemptions, for example.

00:39:31.680 Is that something you would consider?

00:39:33.460 Holly, exemptions to what?

00:39:36.040 You need to use more words to make yourself.

00:39:38.980 No one knows what the hell you are talking.

00:39:40.860 I am in news, and I don't know what you're talking about.

00:39:44.800 Religious exemptions to what, for whom, in what context?

00:39:49.960 Kamala Harris, I don't think we should be making concessions when we're talking about a fundamental freedom.

00:39:54.180 So I think what she's saying is Catholic doctors have to perform abortions in Catholic hospitals, period.

00:40:01.280 But she's not saying it explicitly because she wasn't asked it explicitly, presumably because maybe she wanted to run cover for her and not get that detailed.

00:40:09.880 Then she says Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Hallie Jackson, would back something like this on a Democratic agenda if Republicans took control of Congress.

00:40:20.880 She says, would you offer them an olive branch or is it off the table?

00:40:25.440 An olive branch?

00:40:26.560 Like, what are you?

00:40:27.520 So we have five questions on this nonsense back and forth that nobody can follow.

00:40:31.740 It's a waste of time.

00:40:33.840 And then Kamala Harris finally says, I'm not going down this rabbit hole with you right now. 0.91

00:40:37.700 I'm like, thank you.

00:40:38.500 I agree with Kamala Harris again, except for the second time in this interview.

00:40:42.580 Then we switch to the trans issue.

00:40:45.260 And Hallie Jackson, not surprisingly, comes into it on the trans side.

00:40:48.720 We've got multiple questions on it where she did press her.

00:40:51.480 And because Hallie wanted her to say something nice about trans people and trans rights versus women rights that would diminish women, she comes at it multiple times.

00:41:00.080 The way she starts is, do you believe transgender Americans should have access to gender affirming care in this country?

00:41:07.280 That whole term is a nonsec. 0.88

00:41:09.580 It's nonsense.

00:41:11.260 There's no such thing as gender affirming care. 1.00

00:41:13.520 You don't need gender. 0.98

00:41:14.460 Gender affirming care is a woman going to see an OBGYN. 0.98

00:41:17.480 It's a man at his annual physical having to turn his head and cough.

00:41:20.460 That's what gender affirming care is. 1.00

00:41:22.080 The stuff that we're doing to children to cut off healthy body parts is not.

00:41:26.100 Anyway, watch what happened.

00:41:27.280 Very broadly speaking here.

00:41:30.840 Do you believe that transgender Americans should have access to gender affirming care in this country?

00:41:35.920 I believe we should follow the law.

00:41:38.040 I mean, I think you're probably pointing to the fact that Donald Trump's campaign has spent tens of millions of dollars.

00:41:43.900 They're trying to define you on this.

00:41:45.260 Yes.

00:41:45.580 I'm asking you to define yourself, though.

00:41:47.180 Just broadly speaking, what is your value?

00:41:49.340 Do you believe they should have that access?

00:41:50.880 I believe that people, as the law states, even on this issue about federal law,

00:41:57.280 that that is a decision that doctors will make in terms of what is medically necessary.

00:42:01.720 I'm not going to put myself in the position of a doctor.

00:42:03.980 But let's also understand that Donald Trump is running tens of millions of dollars in ads

00:42:10.480 to talk about two cases, to distract from the fact that his policy and plan is also to take away the Affordable Care Act.

00:42:21.980 But I don't know that I heard a clear answer from you on the issue of gender affirming care.

00:42:25.320 It sounds like what you're saying is there should be something between trans Americans and their doctors.

00:42:28.920 It feels like that's a long way from we see you and we love you, which was your message to trans Americans in May.

00:42:33.960 What do you want the LGBTQ plus community to know as they're looking for a full throated backing from you for trans for trans Americans?

00:42:42.480 I believe that all people should be treated with dignity and respect.

00:42:49.120 Period.

00:42:49.600 And should not be vilified for who they are and should not be bullied for who they are.

00:42:58.180 Okay.

00:42:58.700 One more point, then I'm going to give it back to you guys.

00:43:00.640 The correct follow up to that nonsense first answer is not,

00:43:04.120 what do you want the LGBTQ plus community to know as they're looking for a full throated backing from you for trans Americans?

00:43:09.520 The correct follow up is you say that you will follow the law.

00:43:14.400 That's what you want people to know, that you will follow the law.

00:43:17.540 Now, you actively worked to change the law when you were the attorney general of California to make sure that the policy was changed to cover these procedures for trans individuals.

00:43:30.480 They weren't.

00:43:31.460 You objected.

00:43:32.780 You got the policy changed.

00:43:34.960 You bragged about it to the trans community.

00:43:37.420 You didn't just follow the law.

00:43:39.140 You thought the law was unjust and you worked to change it.

00:43:41.540 The question is whether you're going to do the same thing at the federal level.

00:43:44.900 And beyond that, if the law mandates these procedures, which are very controversial on the taxpayer dime,

00:43:51.000 do you promise that you will work to change the law back to where taxpayers do not have to pay for this?

00:43:58.880 In case you didn't see it, here is Kamala Harris bragging about changing the policy as California AG back in 2019 to a trans interviewer.

00:44:08.880 When I was attorney general, I learned that the California Department of Corrections, which was a client of mine, I didn't get to choose my client, that they were standing in the way of surgery.

00:44:23.960 For prisoners.

00:44:24.780 For prisoners.

00:44:25.280 And there was a specific case.

00:44:27.440 And when I learned about the case, I worked behind the scenes to not only make sure that that transgender woman got the services she was deserving.

00:44:36.640 So it was not only about that case.

00:44:38.400 I made sure that they changed the policy in the state of California.

00:44:41.960 There it is.

00:44:42.140 So that every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access to the medical care that they desired and need. 0.98

00:44:52.620 And I believe it was not only, I know it was historic in California, but I believe actually it may have been one of the first, if not the first in the country, where I pushed for that policy.

00:45:03.520 There it is.

00:45:05.720 She's on camera admitting it.

00:45:07.520 Go ahead, Sean.

00:45:07.900 I've been in politics for 30 years doing campaigns.

00:45:12.080 I've heard a lot of weasel words and weasel phrases.

00:45:14.900 This, I'm going to follow the law, takes the cake.

00:45:17.840 Right?

00:45:18.040 The whole reason you run for office is to change the law.

00:45:21.140 Like, I think taxes are too high.

00:45:23.080 I'm going to lower the rate.

00:45:24.320 I'm going to vote for a change to these regulations.

00:45:27.540 That's why we elect people, to either change the law in one direction or another.

00:45:32.460 If your goal is just to be a caretaker, then why are you running?

00:45:36.480 I'm just going to follow the law?

00:45:38.140 Well, then you're not going to do anything.

00:45:39.820 That's the biggest cop-out I've ever heard in politics.

00:45:43.000 She clearly doesn't want to just, you know, adhere to the law. 1.00

00:45:46.940 As you point out, on myriad of other issues, she has no problem talking about how she's flouted the law, how she's enforced the law, how she sent people to prison. 0.99

00:45:55.780 So this is the cop-out of all cop-outs.

00:45:59.240 If Kamala Harris loses, one of the reasons is going to be she's very liberal. 1.00

00:46:04.020 And I think, you know, whereas some candidates would triangulate, I think she believes it.

00:46:08.780 I mean, I think even on this issue, most Americans respect an individual's privacy, whether they're gay, lesbian, or transgender.

00:46:15.500 Where there's not consensus and where it's controversial is stuff like men who are now women playing women's sports, you know, the government providing surgeries and things of that nature.

00:46:27.600 And I think the reason Harris won't speak against it, she's giving very lawyerly kind of mealy-mouthed answers, is she believes in, you know, providing transgender care and other things.

00:46:39.120 And there's a reason that she keeps kind of complaining about the tens of millions of dollars of ads being run against her.

00:46:44.320 They're working.

00:46:45.360 They're effective.

00:46:46.660 Trump is hitting a spot where the majority of the country currently stands.

00:46:50.400 One of the great tests of a political leader is if they have an unpopular position, whether it's unpopular within their own party or unpopular in the broader electorate, and they're willing to defend it, and they're willing to spend time in capital and their own ability to talk, saying, hey, let me try to convince you.

00:47:07.460 If you don't agree with me, let me at least show you where I am on this.

00:47:10.740 She's chosen not to do that on almost any of these very liberal positions that she's had, whether she repudiates them kind of in a surface way or not.

00:47:17.700 And I think, again, if she does lose, and she's right in the race, so it's not a foregone conclusion by any means, but if she does lose, Sean's right.

00:47:27.240 This is about as weasely an answer as you'll get, but it's of a piece with she simply does not want to take on the hard task of saying, hey, I'm for this because it's a human right, and let me explain why.

00:47:38.380 She just wants to speak in platitudes. 0.89

00:47:40.320 She and her advisors seem to think that's the path to victory.

00:47:43.420 When I talk to undecided voters, it seems just the opposite.

00:47:46.100 They find her posture towards this unforthcoming or a secret key to what Dan said, which is she believes the very liberal stuff still, and she's trying to obfuscate on that until she gets elected.

00:47:57.860 Mark, we saw yesterday a meltdown on MSNBC in response to how her campaign is handling this issue, which I think they accurately deduce as well, is hurting her.

00:48:07.720 We saw Jonathan Martin piece in Politico saying the clock is ticking on her message, like it's not resonating, and she's got precious little time left.

00:48:20.080 So what's happening?

00:48:21.440 Are the media, are the Democrats starting, you know, why are they openly expressing their frustration with her?

00:48:27.940 What's happening?

00:48:29.280 Right.

00:48:29.600 So I always look for asymmetries, right?

00:48:32.420 So one asymmetry is Republicans are confident and Democrats are not, okay?

00:48:37.100 Republicans culturally tend to be more confident, but they're more confident based on the data that they see.

00:48:43.160 I could cite 10 things that say, can't straw in the wind of why it looks like it's going in Trump's direction, including Senate candidates in the battleground states embracing Trump.

00:48:52.160 Very few things you can cite about why it's going her way.

00:48:55.060 What's happening is another asymmetry.

00:48:56.860 If Trump loses, it's going to be because of his personality, and the country doesn't want four more years of him.

00:49:02.000 There's a hundred reasons why Democrats will cite while she lost, including gender, which is why I think Hallie Jackson was asking about it.

00:49:08.540 But another one is the wrong message expressed orally, and that, I think, is why you're seeing Democrats panic, because they think it's off track, but they think if they pressure her publicly, there's still time to fix it.

00:49:19.300 Hmm. Not much. I am going to ask you about those Senate candidates when we come back in just a minute, and we'll get to what happened with Obama on the campaign trail yesterday and the meltdown over the Doug Emhoff allegations.

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00:50:55.100 A couple things that I want to get to.

00:50:56.820 Where to begin?

00:50:58.400 Obama and Eminem in Detroit, where Eminem is from.

00:51:02.480 By the way, where's Kid Rock?

00:51:03.520 I mean, I know he was at the—like, he's from Detroit?

00:51:06.340 Why isn't this like a battle of the rappers?

00:51:08.000 I want to see Kid Rock doing like a dueling rally with Trump.

00:51:11.540 He'll be back.

00:51:12.840 So Obama gets out there, Eminem introduces him, and Obama gets out there and does this in Sop 14.

00:51:22.240 You know, I have done a lot of rallies, so I don't usually get nervous.

00:51:28.520 But I was feeling some kind of way following Eminem.

00:51:36.580 Now, I notice my palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy.

00:51:44.460 Vomit on my sweater already.

00:51:46.600 Mom's forgetting.

00:51:48.620 I'm nervous, but on the surface, I look calm and ready to drop bombs, but I keep on forgetting.

00:51:54.420 Dan, that's got a—like, do you get a little single tear when you watch that person?

00:52:02.700 I do.

00:52:03.440 It's great yet to see someone let their hair down, have a little fun up there, you know, just like when Trump's dancing on the stage.

00:52:10.360 I think it's great.

00:52:11.480 I love it when candidates do this.

00:52:13.600 The problem is he's not the candidate.

00:52:17.340 That's the problem.

00:52:18.160 Like, it almost just embarrasses by contrast.

00:52:23.240 You know, he clearly—he's an extrovert.

00:52:25.360 He is fed by the crowd.

00:52:26.840 He loves it.

00:52:27.860 He comes alive.

00:52:29.160 That same for Trump.

00:52:30.260 That is not true for her.

00:52:32.120 She is afraid.

00:52:33.520 It's like it's almost a little dangerous to have the surrogates be that good.

00:52:38.160 Yes, I mean, look, it's one of the things that I've thought here this whole time, which is the more interviews that Harris does, the more rallies she gets, the more comfortable you get, the more you're likely to get a moment like that, where you're just kind of feeling it.

00:52:51.320 You're in the groove, and you're kind of willing to be an entertainer a little bit.

00:52:55.420 And yes, to your point, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, it's unbelievable.

00:52:59.940 It's so natural, and they look like they're having fun doing it.

00:53:02.780 Okay, he also spoke with Tim Walls at a rally in Wisconsin, former President Obama did, and said one of the most clue—I mean, I think every Republican or right-of-center person on Earth did one of these, like, oh, my God, with the forehead into the palm.

00:53:20.600 Take a listen to Sot 17.

00:53:21.920 Honestly, like, to me, guys, that is so clueless, having lived it.

00:53:48.640 You know, you guys lived it, but it's like, why don't we take Obamacare, something you've shoved down the throats of the American people without majority support, the first major overhaul to an entitlement ever, in decades at least, without majority support.

00:54:03.900 And you just said elections have consequences, John, when John McCain tried to say, eh, this is very divisive, you're going to take away people's doctors and health care.

00:54:10.520 And you lied to us for a year about being able to keep our doctors.

00:54:13.680 That had us really divided.

00:54:15.540 People were worried about dying, and you lied for a full year.

00:54:19.260 You got in there, started commenting on legal cases like Trayvon Martin, which we had never seen a U.S. president do before.

00:54:24.980 You injected race into it, saying, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.

00:54:28.460 What do you think that did you?

00:54:29.420 Because I remember, I remember being shocked as a lawyer to see a U.S. president comment like that on race, on a case like that, where you didn't know the full facts and wound up getting them wrong, actually.

00:54:38.580 We could keep going, Sean, but Barack Obama is amazingly given a pass for being this unifying president as he, notwithstanding his apology tour on behalf of the American people, the open door policy with Iran, whom he was refunding.

00:54:55.980 And then you get Joe Biden and Dark Brandon, and yes, Trump was in there, too, who was very divisive, but Trump was a response to Obama.

00:55:05.920 Trump was a response to divisions that were sowed during that guy's presidency.

00:55:10.200 Yeah, look, I think the policies that you brought up, you know, created a lot of this, but also the personality.

00:55:18.060 I mean, Obama gets up there and just rails about Trump and Trump supporters.

00:55:22.260 That's not unifying.

00:55:23.580 Joe Biden goes up there and says, lock him up, right?

00:55:28.160 I mean, and the response to the left was, well, Trump said it about Hillary.

00:55:31.520 Wait a second.

00:55:32.220 If it was wrong for Trump, then you guys can't claim the mantle now and say, but it's okay if our guy does it, right?

00:55:38.680 So the double standard is unbelievable, but Barack Obama loves to just chastise everyone on the right, Trump supporters, whatever, and then say, but let's get together.

00:55:47.380 I don't know how we got here.

00:55:48.720 And it's like, dude, because you helped create this problem.

00:55:51.800 You just, this is, Megan, this is literally the biggest problem with the left.

00:55:56.140 I have this conversation with folks all the time that says, you know, we could get together.

00:56:00.040 We need to tone down the rhetoric, but here's where you're wrong.

00:56:03.620 The left inherently, big tech, Hollywood, big corporate America, all of government, academia, they love to, their idea is, if you only agreed with us more, we'd have less vitriol.

00:56:17.000 It's just agree with us more.

00:56:18.880 You admit you're wrong.

00:56:20.620 Be subservient to our ideas and our way of life and our leftist policies, and we'll all be okay.

00:56:26.100 That's not how it works.

00:56:27.620 The censorship that we saw during this administration throughout the COVID lockdowns, as people's businesses were being destroyed, we weren't allowed to talk about what was really happening or doubts about vaccinating our children who were getting myocarditis, a devastating health condition with the heart, a heart infection that leads to permanent scarring, and in some cases has led to death.

00:56:50.640 All this stuff, you can't just say, how did we get so divided?

00:56:54.040 I mean, it's, I know that the left wants to say Trump, Hitler, Trump, Hitler, Trump, Mussolini, Trump, but that's just, anybody who's not a committed leftist understands this has been a process, and he does not have clean hands in the process.

00:57:08.600 Mark, you heard Sean reference a comment by President Biden.

00:57:12.260 He is hitting the campaign trail.

00:57:15.080 Did he go to Arizona or Pennsylvania?

00:57:19.000 Did he go to Michigan?

00:57:20.080 Did he go to Wisconsin?

00:57:21.280 What are those critical blue walls?

00:57:22.340 He went, checks notes, to New Hampshire and a campaign office by himself, and still managed to screw up the news cycle by saying the following.

00:57:36.640 This is a guy who also wants to replace every civil servant, every single one. 0.66

00:57:41.840 He thinks he has a right under the Supreme Court ruling on immunity to be able, if need be, if it was the case, to actually eliminate, physically eliminate, shoot, kill someone who he believes would be the threat to.

00:57:58.620 I mean, so I know this sounds bizarre.

00:58:02.060 It sounds like if I said this five years ago, you'd lock me up.

00:58:05.400 We've got to lock him up.

00:58:09.680 What?

00:58:11.240 Politically lock him up.

00:58:14.420 Lock him out.

00:58:15.400 That's what we have to do.

00:58:18.700 He said lock him up, and then he tried to change it to, I mean, politically, as if lock him up politically is a thing.

00:58:24.940 Megan, I'm a little bit disappointed in you, but you can't recognize a brilliant Biden imitates Dana Carvey imitating Biden.

00:58:33.860 It was fantastic.

00:58:36.700 It was fantastic.

00:58:38.080 Hopefully this Saturday we'll have Dana Carvey imitating Biden imitating Carvey. 1.00

00:58:41.440 When Kamala Harris a few weeks ago did an event in New Hampshire, I said to everybody in both parties, like, what's going on?

00:58:51.220 Because she's spending a day campaigning in New Hampshire.

00:58:53.660 They said, oh, no, she's got a fundraiser in Boston.

00:58:56.240 She's given a national speech.

00:58:57.680 It's got nothing to do with being worried about New Hampshire.

00:58:59.320 And in fact, the private data in New Hampshire shows her with a pretty substantial lead.

00:59:04.080 Joe Biden back in New Hampshire yesterday.

00:59:07.140 And so there's a school of thought.

00:59:09.360 I'm not predicting Trump will win a landslide.

00:59:11.520 I'm not rooting for Trump winning a landslide.

00:59:13.080 But there's a school of thought that says Trump's going to go to Albuquerque to try to win New Mexico.

00:59:17.520 He's going to go to St. Paul to try to win Minnesota.

00:59:19.860 He's going to go to, I don't know, Richmond to try to win Virginia.

00:59:23.340 And then he's going to go to New Hampshire.

00:59:25.300 And I was told yesterday, someone showed me an email saying that the Trump campaign is doing last minute hiring, paying a pretty robust sum for folks to do door knocking at the last minute.

00:59:36.440 So watch that dynamic.

00:59:37.700 I'm like, let's see, it could be a mistake.

00:59:41.260 But again, Joe Biden went there.

00:59:42.600 Now, in terms of what he said, I don't think the four of us need to review the reality of Joe Biden's cognitive decline for the last 10 years.

00:59:52.140 But it's amazing that he's out there doing these events.

00:59:56.820 Did it ruin her chance of being president?

00:59:58.860 No.

00:59:59.500 But it's not great for the news cycle.

01:00:01.240 And of course, it undermines one of the strongest high horses that Democrats have and feel they have and the media feels they have, which is that they're not using loose rhetoric the way Republicans are.

01:00:12.440 He tried to take it back, but it's not a great thing to say, both in terms of the photo op and the moment, but also as a sitting president, he just shouldn't be saying stuff like that.

01:00:22.400 And I'd say that about a president of either party.

01:00:24.440 And he is at this moment trying to lock up Trump.

01:00:27.960 I mean, he is actually trying to lock up Trump at this moment.

01:00:31.440 There are two federal prosecutions.

01:00:33.900 One is on appeal, having been dismissed by the judge in Florida, and one is still awaiting a trial date.

01:00:38.880 So it's not a good look.

01:00:41.660 And interestingly, Kamala Harris has avoided mentioning the lawfare, for the most part, on this latter half of her campaign.

01:00:47.360 I think she realized that's only helped Trump, that the American people do not like it.

01:00:51.500 They don't want you to hear you tout it.

01:00:53.540 And apparently Biden did not get the memo.

01:00:55.980 But, Mark, you mentioned Biden's mental acuity.

01:00:58.600 That was one question that Hallie Jackson asked Kamala Harris about, which I appreciated, and pressed her a bit on.

01:01:06.560 And here's how that went.

01:01:07.860 Listen to Top 5.

01:01:08.880 Can you say that you were honest with the American people about what you saw in those moments with President Biden as you were with him again and again, repeatedly in that time?

01:01:18.000 Of course.

01:01:19.260 Joe Biden is an extremely accomplished, experienced, and capable in every way that anyone would want if they're president.

01:01:34.480 And you never saw anything like what happened at the debate night behind closed doors with him?

01:01:38.080 It was a bad debate.

01:01:39.960 People have bad debates.

01:01:41.700 Should he?

01:01:41.920 But he is absolutely.

01:01:44.100 But that's the reason why you're here.

01:01:45.380 And he's not running for the top of the ticket.

01:01:47.800 Well, you'd have to ask him if that's the only reason why.

01:01:51.420 What do you think?

01:01:52.840 I am running for president of the United States.

01:01:56.340 Joe Biden is not.

01:01:57.440 It's a judgment question.

01:01:59.060 That's why I ask.

01:01:59.920 Can the American people trust you in these moments, even when it's maybe uncomfortable for Americans to level with Americans in that way?

01:02:07.100 So that's why I ask.

01:02:08.220 And it sounds like what you're saying is you feel like you never saw anything like that from President Biden.

01:02:11.620 I have worked with Joe Biden, whether it could hours and hours and hours over these four years, whether it be in the Situation Room or the Oval Office.

01:02:20.860 Joe Biden is the one who was able to bring NATO together during a crisis where for the first time in 70 years, Europe saw and has seen war.

01:02:32.400 I speak with not only sincerity, but with a real firsthand account of watching him do this work.

01:02:43.100 I have no reluctance in saying that.

01:02:45.100 No, of course I don't.

01:02:47.360 OK, Mark.

01:02:48.520 So you're the one who is all over the Biden is getting forced out story.

01:02:52.860 And you first of all, can I just tell you?

01:02:57.080 I have no doubts.

01:02:59.440 He's extremely capable.

01:03:01.080 Whenever the voice goes up, we know it's a tell.

01:03:03.820 That's nerves.

01:03:05.160 Take it from me.

01:03:06.280 Phil Houston, spy the lie.

01:03:08.360 He's the human lie detector.

01:03:09.700 CIA, 25 years.

01:03:10.820 It's not how someone responds when they're like, I got this.

01:03:16.080 I'm fine with this question.

01:03:18.220 Extremely capable.

01:03:20.060 And then when you're also doubling down, I have to say, I speak with sincerity.

01:03:24.780 That's that's this is another line you should not use when trying to be perceived as a truth teller, Mark.

01:03:33.960 I've said before, the cover up between the people in the administration and the press is the biggest media scandal.

01:03:40.060 I think in modern American history and it continues to be ignored.

01:03:45.260 Now, you know, people are covering the presidential campaign, but there was no accountability of the cover up.

01:03:51.780 There was no recognition.

01:03:53.600 And I don't know exactly what her role in it was.

01:03:56.940 I suspect she was not central to the execution of the cover up.

01:04:00.960 But I find it humorous and sad when people say, what did you see behind the scenes?

01:04:07.260 She didn't need behind the scenes.

01:04:09.240 She just needed to watch C-SPAN.

01:04:12.140 And and and therefore the question isn't what did you see behind the scenes, although there may be there may be more to that.

01:04:17.480 But it may be Joe Biden didn't step aside because Nancy Pelosi said your poll numbers are bad.

01:04:23.560 He stepped aside because they told him you're not capable of coming back because of your loss of acuity.

01:04:29.600 So I think that that that is it the biggest issue in this race or should it be?

01:04:35.120 I don't think so.

01:04:35.900 But for a lot of Americans, I think it's a question for her and for everyone who served in the administration.

01:04:41.580 How did you sit back and think this was OK?

01:04:44.000 And of course, had they may if she loses, as I said, there's 100 reasons Democrats are going to give for why she lost if she loses. 1.00

01:04:51.580 One of them would be and will be at the top of the list for a lot of Democrats.

01:04:55.040 Joe Biden should have never run.

01:04:56.800 There should have been a proper, competitive Democratic nomination fight.

01:05:00.180 And and the belief amongst most people in the White House, including, I believe, the president was Kamala Harris would not have emerged victorious from that nomination fight.

01:05:08.480 And so I think, again, the question is, you know, you were left trying to run a 90 day campaign for the White House.

01:05:15.000 Didn't you think the country and the Democratic Party should have moved earlier?

01:05:19.480 Now, I'll say one last thing.

01:05:21.340 She's admirably loyal.

01:05:23.000 I think loyalty is a great thing.

01:05:24.740 And she is vice president because Joe Biden chose her.

01:05:27.740 And he has treated her because of in part because of his memory of how he was treated as vice president exceedingly well.

01:05:34.540 Yes.

01:05:34.940 So while some Democrats are critical of her, particularly on this issue of not breaking with him, I do understand why she doesn't want to break.

01:05:41.680 In part, it's because breaking opens up other questions.

01:05:44.720 But in part, it's because of loyalty.

01:05:46.420 And so I give her not a pass, but I understand why she would be reluctant to be the one out there saying, moment.

01:05:53.440 God, the guy's totally lost it.

01:05:54.720 I can't believe he's still president.

01:05:56.120 But there's a weight of leaking that.

01:05:59.520 Go ahead, Sean.

01:06:00.700 I want to pick up on a point that Mark made a moment ago about some of these, you know, New Hampshire, et cetera.

01:06:05.180 So I go through every Wednesday on my podcast, the road to 270, what's changed from the week before, et cetera.

01:06:11.340 The last couple of weeks, I sort of said Nevada is the seventh state that I don't think that Trump's going to have the hardest time winning the battleground states.

01:06:18.580 That I think we talked about earlier in terms of early vote.

01:06:21.860 I believe that's solidly in Trump's camp now.

01:06:24.640 I think that the interesting thing that's going unreported right now is the shift in the dynamic, right?

01:06:29.640 Coming out of the convention when she kicked Biden out and she went in, there was this vibes and joy.

01:06:35.000 And she was riding a sugar high and people were talking about how competitive it was and could Trump stay competitive, et cetera, et cetera. 0.60

01:06:40.920 We've shifted from that to not only the battleground states, but I talk about this tonight in the podcast.

01:06:46.880 Minnesota, New Hampshire, Virginia, New Mexico, and I think to some extent potentially Nebraska, too, are all now back in play in a way that we wouldn't have talked about four weeks ago.

01:06:59.300 Just trust me on this.

01:07:00.320 I think that there is a scenario in which Trump could actually get to 350 electoral votes.

01:07:04.840 I don't think that it's possible right now.

01:07:06.700 I'm just telling you, look at the data, look at what's happening in each one of these states.

01:07:11.300 It went from outside the margin error.

01:07:13.780 Each one of them, each one of them is trending in Trump's direction.

01:07:17.920 Does he get all four?

01:07:18.900 I don't think so.

01:07:20.120 But I think that they've gone from assuming that the blue wall, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin were going to be the toughest to now saying, what else could we pick up?

01:07:28.900 But I believe at the very least we pick up one of those four other states that I mentioned.

01:07:34.040 He's going to go to Albuquerque.

01:07:34.980 He's going to go there, and he'll go to Minnesota.

01:07:38.140 He wants Minnesota in play so bad.

01:07:41.700 That, I mean, unlike the best case projections on the map when you make it most favorable to Trump, Minnesota remains blue.

01:07:48.740 So, I mean, that would be truly a power move.

01:07:51.140 Dan, what do you make of Sean's analysis?

01:07:53.420 Well, I don't know if Trump is actually going to end up winning those states.

01:07:58.040 I think what's hard as a Democrat is you would hope that there would be some states that you would be talking about for you where maybe Trump is on having to play a little bit of defense, a little bit of rear guard.

01:08:08.860 And it's just not the case.

01:08:10.320 And, you know, go to 2020, even 2016, up until Comey.

01:08:15.740 You know, at this point, the Clinton campaign was talking about maybe Arizona and some other states.

01:08:21.120 Joe Biden was beginning to talk about Georgia being like real.

01:08:24.700 We may win it.

01:08:25.940 It's just at this point you're playing defense everywhere and hoping that you can pull out 270. 0.99

01:08:31.480 Dan, how are you feeling about the Senate races?

01:08:34.480 Because, you know, we've been talking about, for example, Texas, I think, is closer than the Republicans would like.

01:08:39.880 Florida is a little closer than Republicans would like.

01:08:43.400 Nebraska's closer than Republicans would like.

01:08:45.300 I realize there's another story on the other side as well.

01:08:47.820 You know, we can we're actually having Dave McCormick on in a minute from Pennsylvania.

01:08:51.400 But what how do you see the balance of power in the Senate going?

01:08:56.500 I think it's really a question of how far to the Republicans does it go?

01:08:59.920 You know, there was some optimism, I think, two or three weeks ago about Texas, Florida and Nebraska.

01:09:05.160 It seems like the Democratic candidates have stalled now.

01:09:08.520 They got to within maybe, let's say, three or four points.

01:09:11.080 And, you know, you would need now to see it maybe a two point to keep that momentum and trend line going.

01:09:16.400 Look, Democrats are nervous.

01:09:17.940 I think a month ago they did not think Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin or at least Slotkin in Michigan were really in danger.

01:09:25.040 Now they're very much in danger.

01:09:26.660 Your guest coming on soon is probably feeling pretty good right now about where the trend lines are heading.

01:09:32.460 And I think what's most concerning is this is about the time where a candidate, if they think they're going to lose, does whatever they think is necessary to try to turn that around.

01:09:42.700 And usually that means when there's a presidential election, you try to hug the candidate that is in the lead in your state.

01:09:49.320 And my hope would be that they would all the Senate Democrats would be hugging Kamala Harris.

01:09:53.820 But what we're seeing, Bob Casey, Tammy Baldwin and others are starting to run ads that, you know, hug Donald Trump.

01:10:02.200 And those ads, that is not a kind of like off the cuff statement at a press conference where you maybe misspoke.

01:10:09.680 Those are produced.

01:10:11.200 Those are booked on air.

01:10:12.740 They are often run by people in Washington, D.C. who will kind of give you their blessing a little bit.

01:10:18.920 And that tells you everything about the state of a lot of these races, unfortunately. 1.00

01:10:23.000 Mark, you're chuckling.

01:10:24.260 Why are you?

01:10:24.800 Oh, yeah, go ahead, Sean.

01:10:25.600 And then I'll do Mark.

01:10:26.180 No, no, he's right.

01:10:26.860 They're on defense.

01:10:27.880 Dave McCormick's going to win.

01:10:29.480 I think Mike Rogers in Michigan.

01:10:31.040 And you look at Eric Houghty.

01:10:32.040 This isn't it.

01:10:32.840 Look at the trends in all three of those states.

01:10:35.140 They have continued to move slowly and shortly in the direction of each one of those Republicans.

01:10:40.940 This isn't just a guess or a vibe.

01:10:43.000 Look at the public polling, never mind the internal polling.

01:10:45.540 All of it shifts to the right.

01:10:47.460 And it's McCormick in Pennsylvania.

01:10:50.060 It's Houghty in Wisconsin.

01:10:52.040 And it's Rogers in Michigan all flowing the same way.

01:10:54.260 And the Republican side, you've got all of those three races, Nebraska, Florida, and Texas, all shored up.

01:11:01.840 Mark, I want to get your thoughts.

01:11:02.960 And I also want to just ask you, as I toss it to you, many times on this show you've said there's plenty of time.

01:11:08.440 There's plenty of time.

01:11:09.860 Is there still plenty of time?

01:11:12.740 The presidential, you mean, or the Senate races?

01:11:14.800 Yeah.

01:11:15.520 Well, both.

01:11:16.620 Well, I mean, I think Republicans will be anywhere from 52 to 56 seats at this point.

01:11:21.200 Because there's a lot still that could fall their way or not.

01:11:26.080 I was laughing about the ads featuring Trump because of two things.

01:11:31.460 First of all, it's not uncommon for someone who's trying to win over voters who like bipartisanship to say,

01:11:37.760 I worked with the president of the other party.

01:11:39.740 But there's two things about that in this case.

01:11:41.700 One, I don't see a lot of Republican Senate candidates saying, I worked with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

01:11:46.940 It's unimaginable.

01:11:48.340 And Donald Trump is not a normal former president, right?

01:11:51.320 I mean, you wouldn't see them do an ad saying, I worked with Satan.

01:11:56.320 You know, I got stuff done with Satan.

01:11:58.660 But it's the equivalent of that.

01:12:00.600 And you go back to Chuck Schumer sitting next to Donald Trump at the Al Smith dinner.

01:12:04.940 Like, they're being forced to confront Satan.

01:12:07.660 You think about if the war ends in Ukraine, are people are, is the American president going to meet with Putin, right?

01:12:13.420 It's like that for a lot of Americans.

01:12:15.460 And so it's, I was laughing because it's a big step, which is Dan pointed out.

01:12:19.040 It's not an offhand remark at a press conference or in a debate.

01:12:21.680 They're producing ads like, give me a flattering image of Donald Trump to put in my ad to show that I work with him.

01:12:28.280 Is it too late?

01:12:29.180 It's not.

01:12:30.080 Because Kamala Harris still has abortion, the female vote, the ground game, and Trump fatigue. 1.00

01:12:36.420 Those four things could power her to victory.

01:12:39.720 As I said, I can list 12 things going on right now, episodic or trends that are positive for Trump in terms of his chances.

01:12:47.400 I can't really list any for Harris.

01:12:49.060 But those four mainstays are real.

01:12:51.360 Those are real things.

01:12:53.000 And I think that as long as they can keep it close, and so far, with the possible exception of Arizona, I don't believe he's blown any of these states out.

01:13:01.160 And so she's in the ballgame, and a combination of ground game, October surprise, and a hidden female abortion vote, she could still win. 0.99

01:13:10.240 And it's not some long shot.

01:13:11.940 It's still a very real thing.

01:13:12.960 The New York Times reporting today on the gender gap and just how strongly anti-Trump young women are in particular, and pro-Trump young men are, but saying, at least according to the numbers they ran, the young female vote is turning out in amazing numbers.

01:13:30.860 And that's something for Kamala Harris to feel good about. 0.95

01:13:33.740 Like, those women are, so far, getting to the polls. 1.00

01:13:36.480 I think the men will get there, too.

01:13:37.960 I guess they're suggesting maybe not in the numbers that would equal the women so far.

01:13:41.900 I mean, you know, technically, we're not at election day.

01:13:44.260 Not if there's a good game on TV.

01:13:46.620 Not if there's a good game on TV they won.

01:13:48.680 Is there on a Tuesday?

01:13:50.260 I don't think there's, like, football on so many days now.

01:13:52.940 Monday night football, Sunday night football, Sunday football, Thursday.

01:13:56.520 I don't think we're good on Tuesdays.

01:13:58.800 I was talking about Xbox.

01:13:59.780 That's always on.

01:14:00.620 Yeah.

01:14:01.260 Okay.

01:14:02.260 Okay.

01:14:04.100 Last but not least.

01:14:06.400 So, the Doug Emhoff accuser, the ex-girlfriend who says he slapped her across the face out in the open in 2012.

01:14:16.980 I mean, this was months before he got together with Kamala.

01:14:19.780 This isn't 30 years ago.

01:14:21.800 Or even, you know, 20 years ago.

01:14:23.680 So, she has given, she hasn't spoken directly to the Daily Mail, but they've reported on the story with great detail.

01:14:30.620 And witnesses supporting her story, et cetera.

01:14:33.240 She's got more corroboration than Christine Blasey Ford had.

01:14:36.420 I will tell you that, having covered both cases carefully.

01:14:38.940 The issue comes up on CNN where poor Scott Jennings does battle against everybody.

01:14:44.680 He's the lone Republican over there.

01:14:46.860 And this is what happened.

01:14:49.060 Look at the reaction.

01:14:51.460 It's not 16.

01:14:52.880 This rapper, who I fully admit, sold a lot of records.

01:14:55.760 If you've read some of the things he has said about the promotion of domestic violence against women.

01:15:00.740 No, no, no.

01:15:01.120 When he said, he said, if you're famous, you can grab them by the...

01:15:04.240 Bakari, I listened to your entire filibuster.

01:15:06.520 If you could just give me 13 seconds.

01:15:08.460 I'd give you 12.

01:15:09.340 Because he said, grab them by the...

01:15:10.620 And so, when you think about the things he has said in order to sell those records,

01:15:16.700 and you also consider some of the questions that are swirling around Harris' own husband in this regard.

01:15:22.140 Oh, my God.

01:15:22.640 I find...

01:15:23.020 Okay, you don't even get 12 seconds.

01:15:24.240 Wait a second.

01:15:24.440 I find...

01:15:25.020 I'm not going to let you go into the far end of the...

01:15:26.960 I can't represent you in the defamation case.

01:15:32.720 We're going to stop here for a second.

01:15:35.200 I just want to talk strategy.

01:15:36.580 Yeah, I thought we were on a polling strategy.

01:15:39.220 I just have to say, I'll take those concerns seriously if you also express concerns about the allegations.

01:15:48.020 He's been found liable for rape.

01:15:50.380 Donald's right.

01:15:50.660 Sexual assault.

01:15:51.560 That's the same thing.

01:15:52.760 Okay, so that's also true.

01:15:54.940 So we're not going to litigate those other things, but you can't just pick and choose, which...

01:15:59.460 And I know we have to go...

01:16:00.720 No, you cannot just pick and choose.

01:16:05.820 And some of us don't.

01:16:07.780 Some of us report on both candidates and the nasty things that come up against them,

01:16:13.120 because there's a possibility that they're true.

01:16:16.140 And some of us have a history of doing that, Abby, unlike you, who wants to sweep this under the rug.

01:16:22.960 Sean, this is unbelievable to hear them say, oh, my God, it's BS.

01:16:28.920 You're going to get sued for defamation.

01:16:31.200 I thought we were going to talk strategy.

01:16:32.960 Let's get back to strategy.

01:16:34.900 We're going to stop this.

01:16:36.880 He's been found liable for rape.

01:16:38.740 Rapes, the same thing as sexual assault. 0.99

01:16:40.180 No, it isn't.

01:16:40.940 It's a different, entirely different cause of action and thing.

01:16:44.440 And then the indignation by the CNN anchor that you just, you cannot talk about the Doug Emhoff allegations

01:16:51.900 if you're not going to talk about E. Jean Carroll.

01:16:54.520 Show me where you talked about the Doug Emhoff allegations one time, Abby Phillips.

01:16:58.300 Show me.

01:16:58.860 I'll wait.

01:17:00.240 Go ahead, Sean.

01:17:01.140 I remember, I'm old enough to remember when we used to believe all women.

01:17:04.960 Remember that?

01:17:05.640 That was a good moment in time.

01:17:07.760 I guess we're past that now.

01:17:09.740 But the thing that's funny is, I mean, CNN probably spent days, if not weeks, covering

01:17:15.560 the allegations against Donald Trump.

01:17:18.240 Now a credible allegation comes up against Doug Emhoff, and it's, we can't talk about it.

01:17:23.380 You will be sued for even mentioning this.

01:17:26.500 Like, think about this.

01:17:27.500 They don't want the conversation to exist.

01:17:29.760 Never mind.

01:17:30.260 If they want to defend him, that's fine, right?

01:17:32.780 That's their right and their prerogative.

01:17:34.340 But to say that we can't discuss it because it's defamatory.

01:17:37.540 Now, I'm no lawyer, but I believe that you spent a lot of time talking about Donald Trump,

01:17:42.360 every accusation that he's made on a whole host of issues.

01:17:45.500 But we can't talk about Doug Emhoff.

01:17:47.860 I mean, and remember, by the way, this is one that Jen Psaki on another network talked 1.00

01:17:51.940 about.

01:17:52.200 It's the new definition of masculinity.

01:17:54.460 I don't think there's a masculine person that would ever condone the behavior that Doug

01:17:59.680 Emhoff has been accused of.

01:18:01.880 So, I mean, it is so rich for these folks to take this posture at this point.

01:18:06.100 I was talking about this with my husband, the good Doug, last night.

01:18:10.520 And he was saying, you know, he was saying, like, he doesn't even know a guy who has slapped

01:18:17.160 a woman across the face. 0.91

01:18:18.840 Like, this is a hair trigger.

01:18:20.980 They were out having a nice night together.

01:18:24.300 The Daily Mail reports they weren't in an argument.

01:18:26.320 And he was irritated that she put her hand on the valet's shoulder to get a taxi and cold

01:18:32.760 clocked her.

01:18:33.680 Dan, this is fair game for exploration and further reporting.

01:18:40.000 And you and I both know that if these allegations were against anyone on Team Trump, they would

01:18:46.260 be fully discussed, notwithstanding the fact that right now the accuser remains anonymous.

01:18:51.360 And but she has a contemporaneous ear witness, which is more than E.

01:18:56.780 Jean Carroll had.

01:18:57.980 E.

01:18:58.000 Jean Carroll says she called.

01:18:59.480 That's the woman they were talking about who sued Trump for sexual assault. 1.00

01:19:02.400 She said she called a friend after the fact.

01:19:04.480 This woman, according to the Daily Mail, called a man within seconds of being hit because she

01:19:10.120 was afraid she was going to get hit again.

01:19:12.500 That's much closer than E.

01:19:14.660 Jean Carroll had.

01:19:15.340 This woman had an ear witness and other friends. 0.94

01:19:18.240 E.

01:19:18.360 Jean Carroll didn't have any witnesses.

01:19:19.420 Anyway, my point is, and by the way, Christine Blasey Ford had no witnesses, nothing, nobody.

01:19:24.620 And how long did we spend on that?

01:19:26.140 The double standard stinks.

01:19:28.840 And I don't know.

01:19:29.840 I mean, you tell me, Dan, I realize he's not the candidate.

01:19:31.580 But should we care that we might be putting in as, quote, first gentleman, somebody who's 0.92

01:19:36.600 got a hair trigger and likes to smack his women around? 0.93

01:19:40.800 Yes. 0.50

01:19:41.320 I mean, of course, if this weren't the shoe, if the shoe weren't on the other foot, this

01:19:45.580 would absolutely be a story and not just in a presidential race.

01:19:48.180 If you were running, you know, if Bob Casey's wife was accused of some aggressive action,

01:19:55.400 it would be a topic of discussion and Bob Casey would have to answer for it.

01:20:00.000 So, yeah, absolutely.

01:20:02.320 You know, this is something that ultimately he will probably have to, you know, answer for.

01:20:07.080 And if nothing else, you know, I hate to say this as a Democrat, but in 2020, when we had

01:20:12.080 the allegations of the Hunter Biden laptop, you know, count me as someone who thought

01:20:16.140 it was a Russian plot to disturb the election.

01:20:18.160 And we later learned that was not the case.

01:20:20.780 And so to just knee jerk say there's nothing to see here and we can't talk about this, if

01:20:26.080 you're being honest, you know, yes, you would want to talk about this.

01:20:29.460 Right.

01:20:29.720 It is laptoppy.

01:20:30.800 I should point out Doug Emhoff has denied these allegations through a spokesperson, a

01:20:34.680 campaign spokesperson to the Daily Mail saying the report is false.

01:20:39.220 Doug Emhoff has never and would never hit a woman.

01:20:42.560 He has not, however, produced the woman, which is exactly what any man would do if truly innocent.

01:20:48.100 He would call the ex-girlfriend and say, I'm sorry to bother you, but could you please

01:20:53.240 issue a statement saying what is true?

01:20:55.860 And that would be very easy to do.

01:20:57.560 And most women would be happy to do. 1.00

01:20:59.000 She's reportedly a Democrat, would be happy to come out and say, this is Daily Mail nonsense.

01:21:03.880 He never laid a hand on me.

01:21:05.260 It hasn't happened.

01:21:07.080 And I would submit that there's a reason.

01:21:09.360 Mark, you were shaking your head no a second ago when Dan was talking.

01:21:13.320 Why?

01:21:14.100 Just just about the double standard.

01:21:15.480 I mean, you know, I wish this weren't in the Daily Mail.

01:21:19.500 I don't mean to disparage them, but it gives the pro-democratic press a little bit of a

01:21:24.240 pass.

01:21:24.560 I do wonder how much The Washington Post and The New York Times and others have spent

01:21:28.120 investigative bandwidth on trying to confirm it.

01:21:31.300 Same.

01:21:32.320 You know.

01:21:32.840 I know.

01:21:33.340 I know.

01:21:34.320 Yeah.

01:21:34.800 Well, no, I don't know.

01:21:35.660 I don't know.

01:21:36.100 Sean's got the big zero up.

01:21:37.140 But but but again, he's been out there, as you said, with Jen Psaki and other forums,

01:21:43.220 he's been out there talking about being a champion for women's rights.

01:21:46.560 And, you know, if you just take that, if you assume the Daily Mail story isn't made up,

01:21:51.800 it has, as you said, it has a lot of elements of corroboration.

01:21:55.460 And it seems like if this were a Republican, the candidate would have been asked about it

01:21:59.800 and he would have been asked about it in more detail than he's been asked himself.

01:22:03.080 He's been asked.

01:22:03.700 It's been raised.

01:22:04.300 And he's just dismissed it.

01:22:06.700 You know, you know who should be investigating this the hardest?

01:22:09.780 Jen Psaki.

01:22:11.140 If that were me and I interviewed a guy and I got that wrong.

01:22:15.500 And let's face it, reporters get things wrong.

01:22:17.700 It's not like everyone's required to have a spotless record.

01:22:20.420 But when you find out that there's this allegation and that you've now run cover for this guy,

01:22:25.800 you've presented him as this ally of women.

01:22:28.400 And then you find this out.

01:22:29.860 I would be up day and night using the resources of NBC to find out whether I got it wrong,

01:22:35.820 whether this guy is a turd and whether I need to update my reporting so that I can maintain faith with my own audience.

01:22:43.640 The audiences do not expect or require 100 percent accuracy on all stories.

01:22:50.020 They expect and require honesty.

01:22:52.420 And when you get it wrong that you say you've gotten it wrong.

01:22:54.920 And I look forward to seeing what, if any, efforts at all,

01:22:58.860 Psaki and NBC and The New York Times and all of these outlets have done

01:23:03.680 to see whether we are about to elevate this guy into the White House, 0.60

01:23:08.920 who has an alleged history of abusing, physically abusing women.

01:23:14.480 By the way, he would be married to the first female president.

01:23:17.020 Not for nothing.

01:23:18.180 Guys, always a pleasure.

01:23:19.740 It's it's an emotional roller coaster whenever you're on and love the show.

01:23:23.320 Thanks for being here.

01:23:24.060 Thanks, Megan.

01:23:24.760 Thank you.

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01:23:32.060 Up next, Dave McCormick.

01:23:34.260 You heard his name mentioned over and over.

01:23:36.020 He is running for U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania.

01:23:38.920 Could he be the guy to unseat the Democrat incumbent and either give Republicans the

01:23:46.040 majority in the Senate or possibly even cushion it?

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01:24:54.700 We've been reporting on Donald Trump's momentum in the polls, but we've got to tell you about

01:24:58.520 what might be the tremors of a brewing political earthquake in the Senate race in Pennsylvania.

01:25:04.740 Bob Casey is the Democratic incumbent.

01:25:06.580 He's running for his fourth term.

01:25:08.560 He's considered political royalty in the Keystone State.

01:25:11.480 His father was once the governor and his previous three Senate elections were blowouts.

01:25:15.600 But that is not looking like it's going to be the case this time around.

01:25:19.780 The Cook Political Report this week moved this race from lean Democrat to toss up due to Republican

01:25:26.560 Dave McCormick's surge in the polls.

01:25:28.580 And get this, Mr. Casey, Senator Casey, is getting so desperate, you heard the guys mentioned

01:25:34.380 a moment ago, he is pointing to his work with Trump in his latest campaign ad.

01:25:40.720 Yes, Senator Casey, who voted to convict Trump twice in the impeachment trials and votes with

01:25:45.420 President Biden's position over 98 percent of the time, is highlighting to Pennsylvanians

01:25:51.720 about the times he sided with Trump.

01:25:54.640 I'm a Republican.

01:25:56.580 And I'm a Democrat.

01:25:58.020 Our marriage, pure bliss.

01:26:00.660 But on politics, we just don't agree.

01:26:02.640 Except for Bob Casey.

01:26:03.940 He's independent.

01:26:05.060 That's right.

01:26:05.900 Casey's leading the effort to stop corporate greedflation and price gouging.

01:26:10.280 Casey bucked Biden to protect fracking.

01:26:12.920 And he sided with Trump to end NAFTA and put tariffs on China to stop them from cheating.

01:26:17.900 So in this house, we agree.

01:26:19.960 It's Bob Casey who's doing right by Pennsylvania.

01:26:23.000 I'm Bob Casey, and I definitely approve this message.

01:26:26.180 Oh, boy.

01:26:27.140 Joining me now, GOP Senate candidate Dave McCormick.

01:26:30.120 Dave, welcome back.

01:26:30.980 Good to see you.

01:26:31.960 Hey, Megan.

01:26:32.480 How are you?

01:26:33.620 So you must be feeling good about that.

01:26:36.480 I'm feeling great about it.

01:26:37.660 I think it's a good sign that Senator Casey's polling is showing what my polling is, which

01:26:43.620 is the race is closed.

01:26:45.480 It's a tie or maybe even a little more than a tie on my behalf, but the momentum is clearly

01:26:52.380 on my side.

01:26:53.520 And the reason for that is that people are seeing that this is really a choice between

01:26:59.380 change and the status quo.

01:27:02.300 And 75% of Pennsylvanians think the country's going in the wrong direction.

01:27:06.700 And Bob Casey's a 30-year elected office.

01:27:09.760 You said he's a political dynasty.

01:27:11.580 It's true.

01:27:12.120 Somebody asked me on television the other day, what about the dynasty?

01:27:15.860 And I said, well, the thing about dynasties are they all end at some point.

01:27:20.840 And this guy has been weak when Pennsylvanians need strength.

01:27:25.160 And he's voted, as you've said, for increasingly liberal policies.

01:27:30.320 So in Pennsylvania, this doesn't fly when he votes for all the reckless spending that's

01:27:37.140 led to inflation.

01:27:38.460 He's voted for sanctuary cities against the wall, against funding for the Border Patrol.

01:27:43.720 He's been part of the defund the police movement.

01:27:46.360 And he's voted to have biological men be able to compete in women's sports.

01:27:50.960 So the contrast between me as a combat vet, a West Point grad, a business guy, an outsider

01:27:57.820 versus a career politician is it's resonating.

01:28:00.960 And I think that's why we're seeing the movement in the polls.

01:28:02.860 What do you say to those who believe Pennsylvania is fool's gold for Republicans, that you've

01:28:08.320 got two Democrats in the Senate from Pennsylvania, you've got a Democratic governor, that it's

01:28:13.160 been, you know, Trump won it in 16.

01:28:15.200 But prior to that, it had been, I don't know how many years.

01:28:18.080 I think it was H.W.

01:28:19.180 Bush was the last Republican to win it prior to Trump in 16.

01:28:22.080 It just feels like it's always just, you know, they run and they believe.

01:28:25.720 And then Lucy in the football.

01:28:27.800 They know how to reach.

01:28:29.160 Well, I think structurally, you have to pay attention to what's happened.

01:28:33.540 So when President Trump won in 2016, there were a million more registered Democrats than

01:28:41.520 Republicans.

01:28:42.660 Today, as of two days ago, it's 298,000.

01:28:47.480 So 700,000 movement in registration.

01:28:51.340 That's because the cities are losing Democrats who are moving out of state.

01:28:54.800 We're registering rural voters who didn't vote in the past.

01:28:59.820 And many Democrats are becoming Republicans.

01:29:02.060 So structurally, the state is much more Republican.

01:29:05.480 And then we've invested a lot.

01:29:07.100 And there's been an enormous effort.

01:29:08.640 The Trump campaign and my campaign have been very coordinated on mail-in ballots.

01:29:13.040 So when you look at the numbers, Megan, on mail-in ballots, there's been an enormous

01:29:16.940 shift.

01:29:17.460 The Democrats will probably still win mail-in ballots.

01:29:19.340 But it's going to be five, six, 700,000 less than they have in the past.

01:29:24.560 So those two factors alone would, I think, create a very different macro environment.

01:29:31.720 But then on top of that, just the level of discontent.

01:29:35.700 You know, I think Biden, Pennsylvania may have been the one state where President Biden

01:29:41.620 would have been a better candidate than Kamala Harris. 1.00

01:29:44.420 But, you know, Scranton Joe, he'd been campaigning there for 50 years, knew every union leader,

01:29:50.000 every county commissioner.

01:29:51.800 This Kamala Harris agenda, in her own words, you've heard her say it, ban fracking, legalized 1.00

01:29:58.480 legal immigration, confiscation, mandatory buybacks of guns.

01:30:02.200 These positions may work in San Francisco.

01:30:05.080 They are completely out of touch with a Pennsylvania that's moving to the right.

01:30:10.080 And I think that's those are the factors that just sort of make this structurally better

01:30:15.280 than it's been in the past.

01:30:16.340 And then, you know, I'm running against a guy who who hasn't done much.

01:30:21.420 He's got the name, but he hasn't he hasn't delivered.

01:30:24.060 He's become, you know, increasingly liberal.

01:30:26.140 And so he's not been tested.

01:30:27.720 He's not been challenged.

01:30:28.660 And I think very few of his bills have ever become laws.

01:30:32.360 I don't exactly know what he's been doing other than voting with Joe Biden 98 percent of

01:30:36.080 the time.

01:30:36.340 I do want to say, you don't have to take Dave McCormick's word for it or Megan Kelly's or

01:30:40.540 Cook Political Report.

01:30:41.780 Listen to Chuck Todd.

01:30:43.120 Well, I know my audience doesn't.

01:30:44.180 But listen, listen to Chuck Todd talking about this race on October 11th.

01:30:48.080 It's SOT 43.

01:30:50.320 What do you think about Pennsylvania, Bob Casey?

01:30:52.740 You know, this is the race that I think is if when I look at which one, which one of these 0.98

01:30:58.880 swing state Senate races can defy the presidential, right?

01:31:02.280 We have seen there's only been since the rise of Trump, only Susan Collins.

01:31:06.180 has been able to break this mold where she could win her Senate seat while the other 1.00

01:31:11.440 party won the presidential in her state.

01:31:13.260 She did that in 2020. 1.00

01:31:15.000 There is so much money for McCormick.

01:31:18.080 Casey is being outspent.

01:31:20.520 And there's there's something missing for Casey this time.

01:31:25.220 It feels you can sometimes feel when a candidate.

01:31:28.140 You think that Harris could win Pennsylvania, but Casey, I think that this I think the Senate

01:31:32.720 race has been slightly separated in that state a bit from the presidential.

01:31:36.520 I think of all the ones I think Michigan and Wisconsin can no more than one or two points

01:31:41.420 from the presidential.

01:31:42.460 Let me Pennsylvania is the only one I think differently.

01:31:46.380 Pretty interesting.

01:31:47.620 Although I will say your opponent spent just about as much.

01:31:50.440 I mean, this race is hugely expensive. 0.95

01:31:53.720 He's he's thrown a lot of money in it, too.

01:31:55.120 But he spent more that that actually Chuck had that wrong.

01:31:59.020 You know, I think this summer I was outspent something like five to one.

01:32:03.240 I had 50, 60 million dollars of attack ads that came against me.

01:32:08.200 And during that period, the polling closed.

01:32:10.440 And I think, you know, listen, it's hard to know what's going on in voters minds.

01:32:14.320 But I think what's happened, the negativity.

01:32:16.980 I mean, this is a guy who's been in office.

01:32:18.860 You're saying that the polling deluge against you helped you.

01:32:24.460 I think so.

01:32:25.820 And I attribute it to two things.

01:32:27.980 One, this is a guy who has been in office for 18 years.

01:32:31.940 His entire campaign is about attacking me.

01:32:35.660 So he's not running on what he's accomplished.

01:32:37.900 He's running on attacks.

01:32:40.120 And and then second, you know, the ads I have done, I've put my face on the camera and I've

01:32:45.480 talked about my my service in the 82nd Airborne Division deploying to Iraq.

01:32:51.960 I've talked about, you know, being a wrestler in high school and college and in Pennsylvania.

01:32:57.260 Wrestling is a religion.

01:32:58.600 It's in the bloodstream.

01:33:00.180 And I've got my seven generations of Pennsylvania.

01:33:03.500 So I've got a family farm.

01:33:04.920 So the lies were and the lies have proven to be been proven to be lies by independent,

01:33:11.780 independent sources.

01:33:13.740 The Washington Post had a big article last week, which is typically not a conservative

01:33:18.500 leaning publication that that a lot that ad that Casey ran saying that I was going to

01:33:24.520 cut Social Security and Medicare was a complete fabrication.

01:33:27.980 And that's why I gave it for Pinocchios.

01:33:30.740 Exactly.

01:33:31.360 So I think people are like, wait a second, this dark, ominous music, you know, it's just

01:33:36.140 and I get up there and say, listen, these are lies.

01:33:38.680 Let me tell you about the kind of leadership we need for Pennsylvania's future.

01:33:42.600 Bob Casey's had his shot.

01:33:44.200 He just hasn't delivered.

01:33:45.420 I think people see the genuineness of that.

01:33:48.320 I was looking for the goods on you.

01:33:50.100 I, of course, I would give you a hard time.

01:33:52.880 I know you as I can tell anything that's holding you back would be abortion, which is a difficult

01:33:58.600 one for a lot of Republicans in swing states.

01:34:00.580 And they're saying that you're a carpetbagger because you've got a presence in Connecticut,

01:34:06.460 where I am, in addition to your home in Pittsburgh.

01:34:09.740 And they want to paint you as like an outsider, kind of like a Dr. Oz type.

01:34:15.080 Yeah.

01:34:15.740 Yeah.

01:34:16.180 Well, yeah.

01:34:17.020 But on both of those, listen, abortion is polarizing across the country. 0.98

01:34:21.180 You know, I'm someone who thinks it shouldn't be decided by judges.

01:34:23.920 I think the people should decide.

01:34:26.220 And I think it's a state's rights issue.

01:34:27.980 And the people in Pennsylvania have decided that we have a law that allows abortions up

01:34:33.300 until 24 weeks.

01:34:35.440 And the Republicans and Democrats have voted for it.

01:34:39.220 And the guy who signed it into law was a guy named Casey, Senator Casey's father.

01:34:43.760 And so is so and you have Senator Casey, who ran as a pro-life senator 18 years ago and

01:34:51.500 has signed has voted for legislation that would allow abortions up until up until the due date

01:34:56.880 and federal funding for that.

01:34:58.380 My position is states rights.

01:35:00.780 My position is that I'm in favor of the three exceptions.

01:35:04.160 My position is that we shouldn't have a federal legislation or a federal mandate or ban.

01:35:10.700 And listen, no, you're not going to make everybody happy on any of these positions.

01:35:15.480 As you know, I'm a father of six daughters.

01:35:17.520 And so I've spent time talking about this with them.

01:35:20.300 But that's the position that I think is common ground.

01:35:22.840 And most Pennsylvanians can get their head around it.

01:35:25.620 On the Connecticut piece.

01:35:26.880 How about the state thing?

01:35:27.340 Yeah.

01:35:28.220 The Connecticut piece, you know, I've lived most of my life in Pennsylvania.

01:35:32.020 I grew up in Pennsylvania.

01:35:33.180 I went to the Army for nine years.

01:35:36.280 After the Army, I went to grad school.

01:35:37.700 I came back to Pennsylvania.

01:35:39.100 I ran a company.

01:35:39.840 I helped create hundreds of jobs, went back into public service.

01:35:44.020 And then I did live in Connecticut for 12 years.

01:35:46.160 I ran, you know, one of the great investment firms of the world and moved permanently back

01:35:51.400 to Pennsylvania in 2021.

01:35:53.460 And I don't own a home in Connecticut or anything like that.

01:35:55.880 But I do have a daughter.

01:35:57.520 I'm divorced and remarried.

01:35:59.200 And my sixth daughter, my youngest, everybody else is in college or out of college.

01:36:05.020 But I have one who's a senior in high school.

01:36:06.440 So I do go to Connecticut to visit her, be a good dad.

01:36:10.560 And, you know, 50% of Pennsylvanians are divorced.

01:36:12.880 So they understand that.

01:36:14.520 I am going to figure out whether you are really from Pennsylvania right now.

01:36:17.280 I happen to be married to a Pennsylvanian.

01:36:19.360 I'm going to figure out whether you're a Pennsylvanian.

01:36:20.520 Okay.

01:36:20.800 Here's the test.

01:36:21.560 Repeat after me.

01:36:22.540 Say the word O-V-E-R. 1.00

01:36:25.340 O-V-E-R. 1.00

01:36:29.000 O-V-E-R. 1.00

01:36:30.700 I'm going to give you one more.

01:36:31.680 Yeah.

01:36:32.240 Say the word O-N-U-S. 0.97

01:36:36.240 O-N-O-N-U-S. 1.00

01:36:38.520 Yeah.

01:36:39.040 Okay.

01:36:39.260 I heard it on the first one.

01:36:40.300 I'm going to get, I'm going to say yes.

01:36:41.780 They, all my friends in Pennsylvania and my husband and my in-laws, they, they say like,

01:36:46.240 Oh, but where's he from?

01:36:47.180 So he's from the main line from, uh, uh, right outside like Newtown square.

01:36:53.060 See, I'm, I'm from, I grew up in the, I was born in the West and moved back to the West.

01:36:57.200 So the difference between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, it's like China and Japan.

01:37:01.340 I mean, these, these accents.

01:37:03.320 Well, that's why I heard it on one O, but not the second.

01:37:06.080 I'm always like, why are you saying your O's like that?

01:37:08.360 Like, Ooh.

01:37:08.820 And then when I saw mayor of Easttown, it finally made sense to me, Dave.

01:37:12.560 Uh, he's just from Pennsylvania.

01:37:14.740 Okay.

01:37:15.240 I get it.

01:37:15.760 All right.

01:37:16.140 So now tell me this, how do you see the stakes of this election?

01:37:19.900 Because, you know, to Chuck Todd's point, there could be ticket splitting Trump.

01:37:24.740 We don't know.

01:37:26.040 Trump's looking a lot better today than he did even on October 11th in Pennsylvania,

01:37:29.440 but they might like divided governments given how purple that state is.

01:37:34.760 So what could you make a prediction?

01:37:37.940 Like what is the most likely outcome?

01:37:40.600 I honestly feel a real shift for president Trump.

01:37:43.580 Um, you know, the, when, um, Kamala Harris became the nominee, there was definitely like

01:37:48.360 this euphoria, uh, excitement and the, all the media attention.

01:37:52.020 Uh, and you know, when you're on the ground, people were responding to that.

01:37:56.080 But I think the more they see of Kamala Harris in her own words, the more she's unable to lay

01:38:02.440 out a vision and, uh, in her interviews, I think the more, um, those people that are up

01:38:08.300 in there and moving towards president Trump.

01:38:09.740 So what I feel is a lot of support for president Trump.

01:38:12.280 Uh, you know, I think it's going to be close, but I definitely feel the people that are the

01:38:16.080 swing voters moving.

01:38:17.140 And I feel the same for me.

01:38:19.500 Can we talk about this, this crime story that's in the news out of Pennsylvania today in which

01:38:24.660 an off duty Pennsylvania state police officer, a specifically liquor control enforcement

01:38:30.500 officer died from stab wounds on Monday.

01:38:35.520 And KDKA radio and other outlets are reporting that the suspect was released on no cash bail

01:38:43.780 by a notorious far left local judge, 25 year old, uh, Anthony Kaysen is accused of killing

01:38:52.660 44 year old Benjamin Braulier near a trail in the Pittsburgh suburbs on Monday.

01:39:00.240 And, um, the allegation here is that the accused who goes by the transgender name Antonia Kasem was

01:39:10.120 released on no cash bail by magisterial district judge Xander Orenstein after Kasem, uh, was arrested

01:39:19.980 in just this June of 2023 for felony robbery.

01:39:24.560 The other twist to this case is the judge themselves identifies as quote, non binary.

01:39:32.520 And now there's a controversy over whether this judge is too far left to be managing crime

01:39:37.980 cases on the bench in Pennsylvania.

01:39:40.840 Yeah.

01:39:41.940 He sort of can't make it up.

01:39:43.400 Um, you know, this is, this is, uh, indicative of a problem we have across Pennsylvania.

01:39:48.140 We have this in Philadelphia with Larry Krasner, who's this incredibly liberal judge Soros backed

01:39:53.980 prosecutor.

01:39:55.300 Uh, we have this with some of the judicial appointments and it's the reason that, um,

01:39:59.560 violent crime in Philadelphia is near all time highs.

01:40:02.340 Um, it's the reason that, uh, violent crime in Pittsburgh is moving into the suburbs and

01:40:06.880 it's a, it's a huge issue for Pennsylvanians.

01:40:10.260 And so there's, there's multiple problems.

01:40:11.920 One is these liberal judges and liberal prosecutors.

01:40:15.500 The other is that our police forces, our law enforcement in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh

01:40:19.560 are, are deeply undermanned.

01:40:21.440 The whole defund the police movement, which Senator Casey has been affiliated with, has

01:40:26.260 been endorsed by, has contributed to a huge recruiting crisis.

01:40:31.080 Uh, and in Pittsburgh where I live, we got about 650 cops where we used to have a thousand

01:40:37.000 in 2020.

01:40:37.660 And so the, the actual patrols in my neighborhood are about half what they were, uh, four or

01:40:42.880 five years ago.

01:40:43.580 So this is a pervasive problem across Pennsylvania is I think it's part of the reason that the

01:40:48.680 fraternal order of police, 44,000 men and women in uniform have endorsed me.

01:40:53.460 They switched their endorsement from Bob Casey because he stood behind all these, uh, liberal

01:40:59.260 policies, liberal judges.

01:41:00.460 He thought the problem in our police forces is systematic racism.

01:41:04.520 Um, he hasn't stood for qualified immunity.

01:41:06.640 It's a pervasive problem.

01:41:08.300 We need leadership to stand strong, uh, on these issues.

01:41:11.520 And that's what I'll do in the Senate.

01:41:13.620 This judge has got a very questionable, uh, past just, uh, in April per CBS news, the

01:41:19.680 Allegheny County, uh, presiding judge removed judge Orenstein quote from hearing all arraignments

01:41:25.440 for an indefinite period of time effective immediately after the judge released several high profile

01:41:31.380 criminals on no cash bail, criminal defendants on no cash bail.

01:41:36.260 This is a big leftist thing that they think bail is racist, that you can't make bail if

01:41:41.440 you're a minority.

01:41:42.420 And so they're eliminating it, which basically just a revolving door for people who are arrested

01:41:47.400 to go right back out in the streets.

01:41:49.060 Now a law enforcement officer is dead.

01:41:52.280 Uh, there are some state senators in Pennsylvania, like Devlin Robinson saying that they're going

01:41:57.860 to ask house members to introduce articles of impeachment to remove this magisterial judge.

01:42:02.520 Do you think they should?

01:42:04.600 Yeah.

01:42:05.400 Devlin's a, uh, a neighbor in Pittsburgh and a great, great Senator in Pennsylvania.

01:42:09.680 And that's absolutely the kind of things that we should be doing, uh, as well as, you know,

01:42:14.340 essentially putting new prosecutors in place.

01:42:16.780 I mean, Bob can't, in case he stood behind Larry Prasner.

01:42:19.640 So, you know, the problem is both the judges and the prosecutors who aren't law and order

01:42:24.340 and, and our cities are deteriorating as a consequence of it.

01:42:28.600 Uh, okay.

01:42:29.240 So let me ask you this in the news today, John Kelly with supposed bombshell reporting that

01:42:34.460 we've been hearing for years, to be honest, but now it's audio and he's on cam, um, saying

01:42:39.500 that Trump had some admiration for Hitler, that Trump said Hitler wasn't all bad or that

01:42:44.540 he did some good things and that Trump didn't understand why his generals couldn't be more

01:42:48.020 like Hitler's generals in response to which you say what?

01:42:52.880 Listen, I've, um, I've, uh, spent, I don't know, a dozen visits with president Trump over

01:42:58.100 the last three or four months.

01:42:59.040 I've heard him talk about the military and every one of them.

01:43:01.280 And he has only talked, uh, with the greatest regard and respect for the men and women of

01:43:07.180 our armed forces puts them on an enormous pedestal.

01:43:10.060 At the same time, he has criticized where, where I think they deserve criticism.

01:43:14.440 The generals, many of the generals that have been put in place, particularly under Biden,

01:43:18.300 Harris and Casey, who have introduced all this woke prioritization DEI within our armed

01:43:25.380 forces that are, in my opinion, contributing to a reduction in war fighting capacity.

01:43:31.540 I think they're contributing to the recruiting crisis.

01:43:33.240 So I have no doubt in my mind, uh, the admiration that president Trump has for our, our men and

01:43:37.720 women in the armed services.

01:43:39.460 And, uh, I also think he's right that we need new leaders, uh, in the department of defense,

01:43:43.920 new, new generals.

01:43:45.220 We're going to be war fighters.

01:43:46.300 They're going to go out there and, uh, and make sure all our adversaries in the world know

01:43:49.840 we're tough and strong.

01:43:51.400 And I think that's going to make Americans safer right now.

01:43:53.600 They think we're weak and that's why they're testing us around the world.

01:43:56.760 Um, last but not least, Elon Musk hit the campaign trail with you, uh, trying to encourage

01:44:02.360 Pennsylvanians to get out and vote for you.

01:44:04.160 Here's a little bit of that in South 44.

01:44:08.800 It's, it's absolutely essential that we win the Senate and the presidency in order to affect

01:44:13.060 change.

01:44:13.560 That's important.

01:44:14.520 And to protect the constitution, which is under attack by a lot of Democrats, uh, which is

01:44:18.520 shocking actually.

01:44:19.720 Uh, and frankly, it's a sedition.

01:44:21.200 Um, so, uh, and yet they, they, they sort of really openly advocate, uh, you know, overturning

01:44:28.000 elements of the constitution, especially, uh, the right to bear arms and freedom of speech.

01:44:32.780 Uh, it's, it's open sedition and that nothing, nobody does anything about it, but that's why

01:44:37.640 we, we, we, we have to have a clean sweep of those who believe in the constitution, those

01:44:43.240 who will uphold the constitution.

01:44:45.020 John Fetterman says, you better be careful because the Elon Musk will be very attractive

01:44:55.300 to a demographic that we need to win on the Dem side.

01:44:59.000 Josh Shapiro, the Dem governor is saying law enforcement should get involved here and look

01:45:02.960 at how Elon Musk is giving away a million dollars a day to a lucky voter who registers

01:45:06.380 for his pack.

01:45:07.800 What, what's your reaction to all that?

01:45:10.420 Well, listen, I think it's, I mean, it's great that he's on the ground in Pennsylvania,

01:45:14.260 you know, Pennsylvania is the keystone state.

01:45:16.680 It'll determine the presidency.

01:45:17.900 And as you said, the majority in the Senate or, uh, adding to the majority in the Senate.

01:45:21.780 So I think he's making a big difference here.

01:45:23.860 And there's definitely a demographic that he's bringing to the table.

01:45:27.280 That is very exciting for us as Republicans to encourage a lot of these younger voters,

01:45:31.960 uh, to get engaged.

01:45:33.520 And, you know, this election really is the most important of our, our lifetimes and it affects

01:45:37.280 them in terms of the million bucks.

01:45:38.840 I was there when he handed it out to a young woman from the audience who was totally caught

01:45:42.660 by surprise.

01:45:43.400 And the only thing you need to do to apply for the million dollars is to say, you want

01:45:47.060 to protect the constitution.

01:45:48.380 And, uh, that seems like a great, uh, great, uh, incentive to me.

01:45:52.400 Uh, I can't imagine there's a legal problem with that.

01:45:54.980 When George Soros gives billions of dollars to democratic candidates, seems like a million

01:45:59.540 dollars to somebody who wants to stand up for the constitution is probably a pretty good

01:46:02.320 thing.

01:46:02.520 I think he's going to be fine.

01:46:03.620 I looked at the language, uh, carefully, and I think he'll be fine because, uh, he's not 1.00

01:46:07.620 actually paying people to vote or to register to vote.

01:46:10.380 But it's for supporting in particular, the first and second amendments through his pack.

01:46:14.080 Dave, good luck to you.

01:46:15.200 Thank you for coming on.

01:46:16.560 Thanks, Megan.

01:46:17.280 Great to be with you.

01:46:18.060 Thank you.

01:46:18.900 All right.

01:46:19.300 And everybody can find out more about Dave's campaign.

01:46:21.540 He's got the best ads of any candidate out there.

01:46:23.600 I mean, we've played numerous of them on this show because they're just so good.

01:46:27.560 Remember he dropped that first ad on Kamala Harris before even Trump did when she was elevated.

01:46:32.820 And it just, it defined the race for the first six weeks, the snippets he put together

01:46:38.320 of her anyway, you can see that one and his latest one, which is, um, six minutes of Kamala

01:46:43.320 Harris being dangerously liberal, which he just released a couple of days ago, uh, find

01:46:47.480 it at Dave McCormick.

01:46:49.220 It's M I C K McCormick, P a.com Dave McCormick, P a.com.

01:46:56.420 And thank you to all of you for joining me today.

01:46:58.320 Tomorrow, democratic representative Ro Khanna will be here.

01:47:02.880 That will be feisty.

01:47:03.980 It'll be fun.

01:47:05.160 Plus I'll be breaking down the Kamala Harris, CNN town hall.

01:47:08.520 See you then.

01:47:10.780 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

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