The Megyn Kelly Show - True Scope of Atrocities in Israel, and Erasure of Women, with Gov. Ron DeSantis, Josh Hammer, and Britt Mayer

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.820 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.100 There are efforts underway right now to avoid an all-out regional war in the Middle East

00:00:19.920 with President Biden heading to Tel Aviv.

00:00:23.360 We are hearing he will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

00:00:27.200 and then travel to Jordan for a sit-down with the Jordanian, Egyptian, and Palestinian leaders.

00:00:34.540 One of the big issues right now, what to do with the refugees from Gaza.

00:00:40.200 Jordan's King Abdullah just warning that he will not be accepting the refugees.

00:00:46.720 They will not be coming into Jordan. They will not be going into Egypt, he added,

00:00:50.880 saying a flat-out no to that idea today.

00:00:54.160 What about us? AOC's got a very different view.

00:00:57.720 This issue has sparked a fierce debate right here at home.

00:01:01.240 My first guest is at the center of that storm.

00:01:03.580 He says America cannot accept people from Gaza.

00:01:07.240 And obviously on the opposite side of AOC,

00:01:10.540 but is he on the opposite side of some of the other Republican presidential candidates?

00:01:15.200 Joining me now, 2024 Republican presidential candidate and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:01:19.780 Governor DeSantis, welcome back to the show. Good to have you.

00:01:22.320 And so you took the position yesterday that it's a no on Gaza refugees coming into the United States.

00:01:29.900 Nikki Haley then went on CNN and reacted to your comments.

00:01:34.840 Let me kick it off with what she said to Jake Tapper yesterday in Sat One.

00:01:37.840 You know, I dealt with this every day for two years.

00:01:42.000 And, you know, what I can tell you is you have to realize that whether we're talking about

00:01:47.100 Gazans and Palestinians, you know, all of them don't,

00:01:51.800 you've got half of them at the time that I was there,

00:01:54.520 didn't want to be under Hamas's rule.

00:01:56.840 They didn't want to have terrorists overseeing them.

00:01:59.080 They knew that they were living a terrible life because of Hamas.

00:02:02.460 You had the other half that supported Hamas and wanted to be a part of that.

00:02:06.200 We see that with Iran, too.

00:02:07.960 The Iranian people don't want to be under that Iranian regime.

00:02:11.800 They don't.

00:02:12.220 We saw what happened to Hamas Amini.

00:02:13.960 We saw how they treat them.

00:02:15.800 There are so many of these people who want to be free from this terrorist rule.

00:02:20.420 They want to be free from all of that.

00:02:22.100 And America's always been sympathetic to the fact that you can separate civilians from terrorists.

00:02:27.460 And that's what we have to do.

00:02:29.260 What do you make of it, Governor?

00:02:30.420 That's just bizarre.

00:02:31.320 I mean, first of all, I said over the weekend, no Gaza refugees.

00:02:36.840 They should go to the Arab nations.

00:02:38.820 Most of the other GOP candidates have now followed suit.

00:02:41.460 I think that that's good.

00:02:43.960 Here's the thing.

00:02:45.000 Hamas has support in Gaza.

00:02:47.140 They were initially elected.

00:02:49.340 People in the streets in Gaza were cheering the attacks.

00:02:53.020 They have created a culture there where they teach the kids to hate Jews.

00:02:57.220 The textbooks don't have Israel even on the map.

00:02:59.640 And so these are things that are celebrated.

00:03:01.680 So it's really a toxic culture.

00:03:03.620 It's not a question of whether everyone is a member of Hamas or a terrorist or not.

00:03:08.440 The question is, do you want to be importing those pathologies from the Middle East into our country?

00:03:13.780 And what Nikki Haley is suggesting is somehow you can choose, you know, OK, you're Hamas.

00:03:19.240 Gosh, you don't come to America.

00:03:20.520 And yet these other people that are not, they're really just freedom lovers.

00:03:24.320 And I learned a lesson serving in Iraq, Megan, because remember, the Iraq campaign started for WMD.

00:03:30.520 But then when that was elusive, the mission kind of changed to, quote, democracy in the Middle East.

00:03:35.820 And the argument was made by a lot of American policymakers that if you just got rid of these tyrannical regimes, people would be able to seek freedom and have democratic governments.

00:03:46.660 And then there wouldn't be a market for terrorism.

00:03:49.660 Well, what you found out when you were on the ground there for probably 48 hours is their conception of freedom was a lot different than our conception of freedom on the ground in Iraq.

00:03:59.720 The typical Sunni Arab or Shia Arab or Shia Muslim, they believe freedom meant a government that subscribed to Sharia law or Islamic rule.

00:04:08.780 So it's just a fundamentally different culture. And it's not our role to be to be trying to import that into the United States.

00:04:16.120 So Nikki Haley is just wrong about that. And quite frankly, it's dangerous.

00:04:19.900 I mean, one of the things in the aftermath of this, Megan, that's been chilling for me to watch is before the blood was even dry on these innocent Israelis who were massacred.

00:04:29.340 You had people in our own country taking to the streets, demonstrating in favor of Hamas and what they did.

00:04:37.540 But that's a sickness in our society. And I don't think we want to expand that by importing people who would share those views.

00:04:45.040 She we reached out to the Haley campaign today. She also spoke to Fox News and she gave us the following statement saying Nikki Haley opposes taking in Gazans.

00:04:55.360 She thinks Hamas supporting countries like Iran, Qatar and Turkey should take any refugees.

00:05:00.220 And she went on from there. So now she's trying to make clear that she opposes taking in Gazans.

00:05:04.980 We went back and said, does that apply to Palestinians in general to not just those who live in Gaza?

00:05:10.720 And she said, yes, she she's now trying to clarify that she opposes.

00:05:15.480 Well, but Megan, I mean, yeah, that's great. And I'm glad she's flipped.

00:05:19.440 But why would you even have the discussion about vetting people and saying you can separate one from the other unless you were saying we would import them?

00:05:27.960 Why would we why would we be vetting people if they're just going to go take up shop in Egypt?

00:05:33.820 We'd have no role in that. So clearly that's what she was indicating.

00:05:37.640 She got a lot of blowback from it because it's an untenable position.

00:05:40.960 And so now she's changed. And I think that that's that's welcome.

00:05:43.720 But I do think it shows an instinct on her behalf to, one, try to cater to elite opinion, because my view of no refugees from Gaza that's supported by probably massive percentage of Americans, probably not that popular in elite circles.

00:05:58.300 And I think she tries to cater to that. But then the other thing is, I do think she's still suffering under the illusions,

00:06:03.480 which should have been wiped away after dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan, that somehow people in that part of the world just yearn to live in American style democracy and freedom.

00:06:14.300 That is not what they're after. The average person in Gaza that's been that's been taught to hate Jews.

00:06:20.620 You know, their view is they don't necessarily want their own state.

00:06:23.500 What they seek is the destruction of the Jewish state. And that is not limited to Hamas.

00:06:28.240 That is a widespread, deeply embedded belief amongst Palestinian Arabs in the Gaza Strip.

00:06:35.960 We've also had a debate here internally and externally about the Americans who are supporting this terrorist group, Hamas.

00:06:43.840 It's been stunning to watch college professor after college professor, not to mention student groups.

00:06:49.300 Students for Justice in Palestine is generally what they call themselves, but they're all different kinds of Arab supporting groups taking to the streets.

00:06:55.900 Now, in support of Hamas against Israel, these are Americans, Americans who are throwing their support behind Hamas in the wake of this absolute atrocity that we've seen,

00:07:06.640 these terrorist acts committed against Israelis.

00:07:09.260 There was a debate that unfolded over the weekend when Vivek Ramaswamy tweeted out, these folks should not be blacklisted.

00:07:17.100 You've seen some CEOs come out and say, we're not hiring them.

00:07:21.240 If you're going to sign this letter and you're going to say you support Hamas and not Israel, we're not hiring you.

00:07:26.640 Vivek came out and saw it differently and said, I'm quoting here,

00:07:30.960 it's not productive for companies to blacklist kids for being members of student groups that make dumb political statements on campus.

00:07:37.600 Colleges are spaces for students to experiment with ideas and sometimes kids join clubs that endorse boneheadedly wrong ideas,

00:07:45.220 saying he opposes cancel culture, whether it's from the left or the right, calling this cancel culture.

00:07:51.380 What do you make of it?

00:07:52.080 Megan, it's not cancel culture to say that somebody's celebrating the beheading of infants, the execution of elderly,

00:08:01.580 some of the most barbaric actions that we've seen in our lifetime.

00:08:05.940 If you look at what they did, what the Hamas terrorists did, as bad as al-Qaeda and ISIS and some of their worst moments,

00:08:12.820 I think this has reached an even new low from there.

00:08:15.540 So the idea that you would go out and celebrate that as a good thing, that is absolutely the type of person that you should not want to hire.

00:08:23.320 I would not hire any of those people who were doing that.

00:08:27.180 And it raises a larger issue.

00:08:29.200 What the hell is going on in American universities nowadays?

00:08:33.520 This would not have happened during World War II when the Japanese attacked us.

00:08:38.220 You would not have seen, you did not see student groups going out there and celebrating that.

00:08:43.340 And yet here, because remember, Americans were massacred too.

00:08:47.540 It wasn't just Israelis and Americans are still being held hostage as well as Israelis.

00:08:52.040 To be able to go out and do that, it's a sickness in these institutions.

00:08:57.020 And I think it's a reason why, you know, 20 to 30 years ago, someone came to a job with like,

00:09:02.740 they graduated from like Harvard.

00:09:04.440 Oh, wow.

00:09:05.000 You know, that's great.

00:09:06.080 Now you see that resume.

00:09:07.720 To me, I run the other way.

00:09:09.700 I mean, I'm assuming that there's a lot of problems embedded into whatever has been fed

00:09:14.300 into that student because of how toxic the culture has gotten on our universities.

00:09:18.800 What I will say is this, though, any of those students who are here on visas, those visas

00:09:23.740 should be canceled and they should be repatriated back to their home country.

00:09:28.360 That's a no brainer.

00:09:29.620 Why would we want to welcome people into this country who are totally hostile to basic American

00:09:35.660 decency and values?

00:09:36.960 Well, that's that's a very interesting prospect.

00:09:39.660 I mean, that's closer to, you know, ideological beliefs can get you deported.

00:09:44.020 That's what Trump has been saying.

00:09:45.940 And I get it.

00:09:47.500 I get it.

00:09:48.100 I mean, these people have no desire to assimilate to the United States values at all.

00:09:53.040 None whatsoever.

00:09:53.660 They want to come over here and call for jihad or support terrorism against Israelis.

00:09:57.840 How are they ever going to align with us?

00:09:59.700 But of course, it will be considered controversial, right, to cancel visas based on ideological differences.

00:10:04.780 Well, of course, it's controversial.

00:10:07.400 But here's the thing, Megan.

00:10:08.500 It used to be, you know, if you had shown up at Ellis Island in 1900 and you were saying

00:10:15.100 that you supported Islamic jihad, for example, which they probably weren't thinking in those

00:10:20.180 terms at that time.

00:10:21.580 Although, you know, our country did fight the Barbary pirates under Jefferson.

00:10:25.240 So they had they had experience dealing with terrorism from the beginning with the founders.

00:10:29.420 But that probably wouldn't have been necessary.

00:10:30.600 You would have been turned away from Ellis Island if you came and you rejected the basic

00:10:36.560 foundational principles of America.

00:10:38.520 You would have been rejected from coming into this country.

00:10:41.320 That would have been non-negotiable.

00:10:43.360 So when I'm president, we are going to ensure that nobody is admitted legally to this country

00:10:49.300 who doesn't believe in the basic values of America.

00:10:54.400 We have robust debates in this country.

00:10:56.200 There's no question you could have different views on tax policy, immigration policy,

00:10:59.960 all this stuff.

00:11:00.480 It makes it robust.

00:11:02.020 It makes it it makes it a great country.

00:11:04.000 But if you are just somebody who rejects basic Western values, basic conception of freedom,

00:11:11.940 then that's not something that's good.

00:11:14.080 And we can learn a lesson from what Europe has done over the last 10 or 20 years.

00:11:19.160 They did mass immigration from parts of the world that rejected their values.

00:11:24.740 And what happened is those people, because they were coming in such big numbers, they didn't

00:11:29.480 assimilate into those societies so much as they've now tried to change those societies

00:11:34.420 to mimic the societies they had left.

00:11:37.500 That's not how America has always been.

00:11:39.220 It's always been people come and they assimilate into our way of life.

00:11:43.720 That is something that's been kind of frowned on by our elites in recent years.

00:11:47.460 But it's just simply unsustainable for a country that's based on this founding creed to continue

00:11:54.520 being a strong country.

00:11:55.740 You know, if we're importing large numbers of people that reject the basic conception

00:12:00.140 of America.

00:12:01.520 You have Trump out yesterday.

00:12:04.220 It was Monday in Iowa making the following point about when he was president.

00:12:08.720 Take a listen.

00:12:10.160 Under my leadership, the world's thugs and villains and killers and savages were in retreat

00:12:15.240 and running scared.

00:12:16.200 They were running scared.

00:12:17.900 All because you had a president who stood up for America.

00:12:20.880 We took a lot of heat.

00:12:21.660 Penis attacks on Israel this month would never have happened if I was your president.

00:12:25.980 Zero chance of that happening.

00:12:27.600 But most importantly, we will keep the radical Islamic terrorists the hell out of our country.

00:12:33.480 Does he have a fair point?

00:12:34.920 I mean, were we better off, safer with him as president?

00:12:37.940 Well, I mean, I think if you look at what Biden's done, I mean, there's no question we're

00:12:42.620 in a decline in terms of U.S. prestige abroad, economic strength at home, rule of law deteriorating.

00:12:49.820 I mean, it's really, really bad.

00:12:51.660 So in that sense, of course.

00:12:53.720 It is true, though.

00:12:54.740 I mean, you know, they were firing rockets from Gaza during Trump's presidency.

00:12:58.740 There was conflict.

00:12:59.780 This is an attack on a different level, no question.

00:13:02.860 But that was still happening.

00:13:04.280 There were still problems in the world.

00:13:06.240 I think with Biden, I think he's made unique errors by, one, thinking that he can have a

00:13:12.620 rapproachment with the Iranians.

00:13:14.440 Now, this $6 billion was an outrage, and I said it at the time in August when it was first

00:13:19.040 announced.

00:13:19.840 But they've done tens of billions into Iran's coffers through relaxing the sanctions on the

00:13:25.200 energy.

00:13:26.100 That has been the mother's milk of Middle East terrorism in the last few years.

00:13:30.280 And Iran has been using that to fund, of course, Hezbollah and Hamas.

00:13:34.000 And Biden, to this day, they still think they can have a rapproachment with Iran.

00:13:38.960 They haven't done anything to really turn the screws on them.

00:13:42.440 My fear on this trip that he's making in there is he wants basically behind the scenes to have

00:13:48.160 Israel take their foot off the gas, not go whole hog against Hamas, because he wants to

00:13:54.080 be able to preserve the ability to play footsie with the Iranians.

00:13:58.060 So they've just been wrong on almost everything, and America's paying the price.

00:14:02.800 But I do think what we need going forward, I mean, I think we need strong leadership.

00:14:07.140 I think we need drama-free leadership.

00:14:09.460 I think we need somebody that's going to get in there and focus on the country's issues.

00:14:13.660 Is he going to be distracted with any of personal issues?

00:14:16.720 Is he going to be distracted with all these other things that ultimately aren't going

00:14:20.640 to turn the country around?

00:14:21.920 So I'll be a very focused and disciplined president.

00:14:24.580 There'll definitely be a new regime when I get there, and there'll be a lot of changes

00:14:28.140 that we'll make from the Biden presidency.

00:14:30.680 You are taking some control, what control you can take as a governor of part of this

00:14:35.800 situation, trying to get Americans who are in Israel back home.

00:14:42.000 And are you also trying to get Israelis out?

00:14:44.780 Because I understand you've sent planes now over to Israel, and you're getting people out

00:14:49.640 who need to get out, who want to get out, people with families, people with children.

00:14:52.480 You and your wife and your children were there to visit and greet some of them in some moving

00:14:56.740 tape that we've seen.

00:14:58.560 And I wonder exactly who are you helping get out of Israel?

00:15:02.200 And you, unlike the federal government, are doing it on your dime and not charging these

00:15:07.500 people in the middle of a war to get on the plane.

00:15:10.280 So explain what you've been doing and who you're helping and why.

00:15:14.080 Yeah, so we have a lot of Floridians that are over in Israel.

00:15:17.240 We've got great synergy between our state and that country.

00:15:20.340 So we knew there'd be people that wanted to get back, many hundreds, maybe even more than

00:15:24.580 a thousand.

00:15:25.600 And they were not getting any luck with the State Department or with the embassy.

00:15:29.620 So I did an executive order last week activating Florida emergency response to be able to bring

00:15:36.280 planes in there and take people back home.

00:15:39.600 So we had the first plane of 271 on Sunday night.

00:15:43.320 The thing about that, Megan, is there were 91 children.

00:15:46.380 You know, I had mothers that were stranded with three or four kids.

00:15:51.020 I had one family with 10 kids that they were trying to get back to Florida.

00:15:55.580 Now, we didn't limit it to just Floridians, because if there's people that are struggling

00:15:59.900 to get to Georgia or New York or whatever, we're all Americans and we want to help people.

00:16:04.820 But it is limited to Americans.

00:16:06.980 I'll tell you this, though.

00:16:07.960 You can come across the southern border and the federal government will fly you all across

00:16:13.540 the country free of charge.

00:16:15.180 They'll put you up in nice hotels at taxpayer expense.

00:16:18.560 They're not charging the illegal aliens, yet they're going to charge people fleeing a war

00:16:23.400 zone and then dump them in Greece.

00:16:25.920 They're not even bringing them back to the United States.

00:16:28.660 So we have more flights coming.

00:16:30.600 Next one will be tomorrow morning.

00:16:32.020 We are taking people from Israel, but we're also going to stop in Athens, Greece to pick

00:16:37.140 up people that the federal government may have stranded.

00:16:40.040 And so we anticipate many hundreds more that we'll be able to rescue over the next couple

00:16:45.660 days.

00:16:46.060 And we're happy to do it.

00:16:47.520 I'll tell you, you knew people needed to get out.

00:16:50.280 But then when we greeted people and they were telling stories, it really brought it home.

00:16:54.680 I mean, I had one mother point to her six-year-old daughter and my wife and I have a six-year-old

00:16:59.760 as well, and she said that her daughter was saying, Mommy, I don't want to hear rockets

00:17:04.340 anymore.

00:17:04.800 I don't want the rockets.

00:17:05.720 I just want Florida.

00:17:06.740 We got to get back to Florida.

00:17:08.180 So they were really, really excited to be back.

00:17:10.640 And when there's a void of leadership, you got to step up and make a difference.

00:17:14.300 So we were able to do that.

00:17:15.560 And we're proud to have played an important role.

00:17:18.800 Good for you.

00:17:20.460 How involved should we be getting in this conflict?

00:17:22.440 Because people are worried.

00:17:23.700 Americans, even those who support Israel strongly, are worried about a possible ground

00:17:29.380 war, God forbid, U.S. troops getting a request to go in and help if this breaks out into regional

00:17:35.840 war or already fighting a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine.

00:17:40.300 I mean, it's it's a lot.

00:17:41.740 It's a lot to ask of the American people, both from their coffers and from our blood and treasure

00:17:47.440 in our military.

00:17:48.860 And so even though I know you're pro-Israel and I'm pro-Israel, too, there is some concern

00:17:55.060 about just how involved the U.S. should get in this conflict.

00:17:57.900 How do you see it?

00:17:59.900 Well, one of the things that I've appreciated about the U.S.-Israel relationship and our

00:18:04.020 support for them is they've never asked us to assume responsibilities that they should

00:18:10.260 be assuming for themselves.

00:18:11.840 They work very hard to have a strong and capable military support.

00:18:15.900 We've given them over the years, whether it's Iron Dome or some of these other programs

00:18:19.380 that has supplemented what they're doing for themselves.

00:18:22.260 So they are not going to ask us to displace that.

00:18:25.020 But in all of Israel's conflicts for 75 years, U.S. ground troops have not been a part of

00:18:30.260 that.

00:18:30.620 There's no basis to do that for us.

00:18:33.500 I don't think that that's really where we're going to show support.

00:18:37.740 I think where we show support is primarily the moral clarity to say Israel has a right

00:18:42.880 to defend itself, and they have a right to eliminate Hamas.

00:18:46.540 I mean, I have all these people out there.

00:18:48.440 They're trying to magnify Israel as the problem.

00:18:51.920 They're attacking Israel.

00:18:53.440 They're not calling for Hamas to release the hostages.

00:18:56.580 They're not calling for Hamas to have an unconditional surrender.

00:19:00.020 If you're worried about the civilian casualties that Hamas is trying to inflict by using them

00:19:04.840 as human shields, you should be calling for Hamas to make an unconditional surrender and

00:19:09.800 to release the hostages.

00:19:11.040 People aren't doing that.

00:19:11.920 So they're going to need us.

00:19:13.160 And I don't think Biden's going to do this over the long haul.

00:19:16.120 But America should stand with them and say they have the right to not only defend themselves,

00:19:21.020 but to end this problem with Hamas once and for all.

00:19:23.840 There's going to be a lot of pressure from the U.N., all these other places to tell Israel

00:19:28.540 to back off, but they can't live like this where they could have so many of their people

00:19:33.280 massacred in cold blood.

00:19:34.960 So I think that's the main thing, not U.S. troops, but that strong support.

00:19:40.020 And we'll continue with the military relationship that we have, intelligence, the types of small

00:19:45.700 amounts of aid, relatively speaking, when you think about it.

00:19:48.520 The other thing I think we can do that could be helpful is turn on the full panoply of sanctions

00:19:55.040 against Iran, particularly with respect to energy, to deprive the Iranian regime of the

00:20:00.800 sustenance they need to continue funding these terror groups.

00:20:04.320 I mean, the fact of the matter is, if Biden had just come in and taken a hard line against

00:20:08.360 the Iranians, who knows whether this operation would have even been able to have happened

00:20:13.140 without the amount of money that Iran has pumped into that area over the last two and

00:20:17.840 a half years.

00:20:18.580 So I think those are two really important things.

00:20:20.740 But ultimately, this is not something that's going to be an American ground war.

00:20:25.700 We, of course, do have an interest in recovering the hostages that are American citizens.

00:20:31.380 And I'm sure that the Biden administration does have people on the ground.

00:20:35.600 We've got some people that are wired for that, that can do that.

00:20:38.420 But ultimately, it's Israel's war.

00:20:40.460 We should support them.

00:20:42.060 But it's not something we should get enmeshed in with our own ground troops.

00:20:45.120 Last question, domestic politics, something big is unfolding today in the House, where

00:20:52.100 you used to work for a time as a member of the House of Representatives.

00:20:55.720 And they're trying to get another they're trying to find a new House speaker.

00:20:59.060 And at last count, late last night, it didn't look like Jim Jordan, who's the, you know,

00:21:05.280 the candidate now for the Republicans, was going to have enough support.

00:21:08.900 But, you know, what did it take Kevin McCarthy 15 votes in order for him to finally get the

00:21:12.980 support?

00:21:13.360 Do you support Jim Jordan for speaker?

00:21:16.260 And what do you make of this whole mess we've seen in the House?

00:21:20.260 Yes, I think that the Republicans should vote for Jim on the floor.

00:21:24.060 I think he would do a good job.

00:21:25.360 He'd be the most conservative speaker that we've had maybe ever, but certainly in many,

00:21:30.640 many years.

00:21:31.640 And I think he's more reflective of the voter base that we as Republicans have.

00:21:36.940 And one of the things that we've seen for, man, a decade or more is that the D.C.

00:21:41.980 Republican political class doesn't reflect the views and the aspirations of the voters

00:21:48.100 that put them there.

00:21:49.020 It's like they campaign on all the right things.

00:21:51.440 Then they go up there and then they go native and they kind of have a different agenda.

00:21:55.740 And I think that's why you've had a lot of dissatisfaction over the years.

00:21:58.700 So hopefully they'll do that.

00:22:00.020 But but from my vantage point down here in Florida, what I'm seeing is there's just a

00:22:04.100 lot of chaos.

00:22:05.000 There's a lot of palace intrigue.

00:22:06.620 There's a lot of drama.

00:22:07.940 There hasn't been very much results.

00:22:09.400 And ultimately, as a leader, you're judged by the results that you produce.

00:22:12.800 In Florida, we don't do political empty calories.

00:22:16.280 We don't do any of the palace intrigue or drama.

00:22:19.040 It's just execution.

00:22:20.200 Because as a leader, I'm going to be judged by the results that I do.

00:22:23.640 So, you know, we talk about spending.

00:22:25.480 They haven't done anything on that.

00:22:26.660 You know, we have big surpluses in Florida.

00:22:28.520 We've paid down almost 25 percent of our debt.

00:22:31.420 You talk about foreign threats.

00:22:32.840 We've banned the purchase of land by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:22:36.000 We've leaned in on illegal immigration by banning sanctuary cities on and on down the line.

00:22:41.480 We've produced real results.

00:22:43.480 And I think that's why Florida has gone from a state that had typically been viewed as a toss

00:22:48.460 up state to now a Republican state and one that's really leading all 50 states on so

00:22:54.720 many different issues.

00:22:55.560 So I just hope that they realize, you know, you're not up there to get clicks.

00:22:59.600 You're not up there to send fundraising emails.

00:23:02.960 Ultimately, what you're there to do is deliver results.

00:23:06.260 People are paying way too much for groceries.

00:23:08.860 Interest rates have made home purchases unaffordable for millions of Americans.

00:23:13.160 We have an open border, which not only is killing people with fentanyl, it's created a

00:23:18.300 huge risk of terrorist attacks in our own country.

00:23:21.400 We have crime in the inner cities.

00:23:22.840 We've got problems with the education system and the disrespect that parents are feeling.

00:23:27.140 So these are things people want to see action on.

00:23:29.940 So my hope is they'll elect Jim and then they'll get to work on all those issues.

00:23:33.600 Because if we're producing results on those things, you know, the public is going to have

00:23:38.000 a positive response.

00:23:39.360 If they're running around like chickens with their head cut off, then it gives the Democrats

00:23:43.360 the ability to say that, oh, yeah, you know, maybe our results aren't great, but at least

00:23:47.620 we can show up and run things, you know, appropriately in terms of having a speaker

00:23:52.580 or whatnot.

00:23:53.200 Why would we want to give them that satisfaction to be able to use that to beat us over the

00:23:57.440 head with?

00:23:57.920 So get your act together, get behind JJ, and let's try to move forward.

00:24:02.100 And look, take notes for what we've done in Florida.

00:24:04.600 I mean, we've shown how to do it.

00:24:06.000 You know, we now have super majorities in the legislature, Megan, but I didn't have that

00:24:09.280 when I came in and we worked, we got things done and people responded positively and they've

00:24:14.780 entrusted us with more members and and more authority to do even more stuff.

00:24:19.620 Well, you also picked a big fight with Disney and they recently signaled they're going to

00:24:24.340 move away from all the woke nonsense.

00:24:27.020 So thumbs up on that, though.

00:24:28.580 We'll see whether they mean it.

00:24:30.140 I've got my doubts.

00:24:31.040 I'm sure you do, too.

00:24:32.240 First of all, I don't I don't like them getting involved in our politics and we fought back

00:24:35.440 appropriately.

00:24:35.840 But if they cut the woke out, they will do better as a company.

00:24:40.320 They're going in this tangent has hurt their stock price.

00:24:43.700 Families don't trust them anymore where it used to be when I was growing up in Florida.

00:24:48.080 You know, Disney was the gold standard for family entertainment.

00:24:51.300 We just want our kids to be kids.

00:24:53.040 I speaking as a parent of a six, five and a three year old, we want our kids to be kids.

00:24:57.320 We don't want an agenda.

00:24:58.880 You know, let adults fight these issues out, but get back to what made you great.

00:25:03.380 And if they do that, I do think that they will be in much better shape.

00:25:07.040 I wonder, though, whether the culture in Burbank is is such that they can ever really get back

00:25:13.080 on track.

00:25:13.740 We will see.

00:25:15.040 But I think that people have voted with their wallets because I think a lot of parents have

00:25:19.240 been dissatisfied with some of the stuff that they've been putting out and not just on our

00:25:23.960 bill.

00:25:24.720 All the programming, I think a lot of parents have said, nah, not my cup of tea.

00:25:29.800 Yeah.

00:25:30.160 No, you're so right.

00:25:30.800 When we were growing up, you'd hear that and, you know, kind of give you the warm feeling.

00:25:37.660 You knew it was going to be wholesome family entertainment, you know, something sweet about

00:25:41.620 a dog and a life lesson and not somebody trying to trans your kid.

00:25:45.720 It's really gone in a different direction.

00:25:48.380 I don't think anyone I don't think anyone in our generation ever saw a Disney cast member

00:25:53.620 at a theme park, a man wearing a dress.

00:25:56.000 I mean, we just never saw that kind of stuff and now they're doing it and it's just it's

00:26:00.280 just inappropriate.

00:26:01.260 But I do think it's been counterproductive for their own company.

00:26:04.300 So hopefully that they get on a better track.

00:26:07.340 Ultimately, though, for me, I'm going to fight woke agenda, whether it's in the legislature,

00:26:12.580 corporate America, wherever it is, because I think it's corrosive to the country.

00:26:16.200 Anytime these institutions become corrupted by this agenda, they end up performing poorly

00:26:22.360 and they lose legitimacy.

00:26:23.300 We've seen that with colleges, we've seen that with bureaucracies, we've seen that in

00:26:27.660 district attorney's offices where they let the criminals run free in places like Chicago

00:26:32.200 and Philadelphia.

00:26:33.220 So it's had a huge impact on our society in a negative way.

00:26:37.140 I think the tide is turning in our favor on it, but we got a lot of work to do to be able

00:26:41.800 to leave the woke agenda and the dustbin of history where it belongs.

00:26:46.420 Governor DeSantis, all the best to you.

00:26:47.940 Thanks so much for being here.

00:26:49.640 Thank you.

00:26:50.160 All right.

00:26:50.960 When we come back, we're going to stay on Israel with Josh Hammer of Newsweek.

00:26:54.320 He's been so great in covering this whole thing from the beginning, and I'm looking forward

00:26:59.160 to getting his take on a couple of big, big stories that have broken around it today.

00:27:03.960 So stay tuned.

00:27:08.160 I'm joined now by Josh Hammer.

00:27:09.800 He's the senior editor at large for Newsweek and host of the podcast, The Josh Hammer Show.

00:27:14.580 Josh, thanks for being here today.

00:27:15.780 There's been so much reporting on the atrocities that have been committed against the Israelis.

00:27:21.380 It's like drinking from a fire hose to try to keep track of it all.

00:27:24.860 It's overwhelmingly awful, but we're trying.

00:27:28.440 We're trying.

00:27:28.940 And one of the things that we saw in some of the nutcase reaction, both in the United States

00:27:33.820 and Canada, was a couple of people being like, the beheaded babies, it's a lie.

00:27:39.520 We've seen even Americans online, even right wingers.

00:27:41.700 It's a lie, it's a lie, it's a lie, it's AI, it's nuts, I mean, what they're saying.

00:27:46.560 So we actually went back and just pulled some of the firsthand reporting from CBS News, from

00:27:51.900 ABC News, from I-24 News, from the Jerusalem Post, all either saying themselves, the actual

00:27:58.980 reporters had witnessed it, or interviewing senior IDF members who had witnessed it themselves.

00:28:05.160 And we put it together just to set the record straight once and for all.

00:28:08.280 Here's just a sampling of what we found.

00:28:13.480 Israelis tell us that in one attack on a kibbutz, Hamas terrorist took brutality to a new level,

00:28:20.180 even decapitating children and babies.

00:28:23.840 Now, that is coming to us not only from the Israeli defense forces, but also the organization

00:28:29.720 that has the grim task of retrieving bodies.

00:28:33.620 In every apartment, you can say...

00:28:35.340 They're literally right around us in the rooms, dead bodies, their bodies.

00:28:38.280 And you know, see, if they lock themselves, they burn the apartment.

00:28:43.340 They burn the apartments.

00:28:44.440 Shoot them, they shoot the baby, they cut their head.

00:28:48.060 He saw 19 bodies at this house, including eight babies.

00:28:54.740 I saw that baby.

00:28:56.200 Beheaded.

00:28:56.900 Beheaded.

00:28:58.040 This is something that monsters do, not humans.

00:29:01.000 Babies, their heads cut off.

00:29:03.800 That's what they said.

00:29:05.320 Gunned down.

00:29:06.240 Families completely gunned down in their beds.

00:29:10.040 You can see some of these soldiers right now comforting each other.

00:29:14.940 I'm sorry to begin it on such a dark note, but I'm just sick and tired of people pretending

00:29:19.660 like, A, that's a lie, and B, like, it matters how they killed the babies.

00:29:25.980 Like, trying to find this distinction without a difference.

00:29:31.740 Megan, first of all, I'm a longtime fan of yours, and thank you so much for your genuinely

00:29:35.840 very strong stand over this very difficult week and a half.

00:29:39.360 It has been seen by everyone, and it is remarkably appreciated.

00:29:41.960 So really, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

00:29:44.980 When it gets to this question here, I mean, your reaction is totally correct, which is

00:29:49.440 ultimately, who cares?

00:29:51.220 I mean, would these people who are making this up, and obviously they are transparently

00:29:55.740 making up, would these people be satisfied if these Hamas savages, these barbaric medieval

00:30:01.080 death cult butcherers, if they had not decapitated the babies but had merely shot them execution

00:30:06.940 style in their cribs while their crib was rocking back and forth at point-blank range?

00:30:11.720 At what point do they purport or do they claim that they would be satisfied?

00:30:15.480 It's obviously an inherently illogical point.

00:30:18.120 It is a total red herring.

00:30:19.480 And ultimately, what is going on here, the people that are spouting off this complete

00:30:22.980 and utter nonsense, they are just getting off to dead Jew porn.

00:30:27.480 And they, frankly, would prefer it to be a slightly different way, maybe.

00:30:31.440 Maybe they would prefer it to be via bullet and not via jihadist machete.

00:30:35.860 But all of this is coming from a deeply, deeply dark place.

00:30:39.680 I mean, we are now 78 years after the surrender of Nazi Germany in 1945.

00:30:44.120 And yet again, we see people not merely looking the other way to a disgusting pogrom, obviously

00:30:53.000 the most dead Jews in one day since the defeat of Hitler and the Nazis.

00:30:56.980 They are not merely looking the other way.

00:30:59.000 They are looking for any excuse whatsoever not to take the obviously correct, the obviously

00:31:05.780 moral and righteous stand here, which is to stand with Israel and condemn these barbaric

00:31:10.080 atrocities.

00:31:11.120 And again, I just fear that it is coming from a very, very dark place, a place, frankly,

00:31:16.160 that is just ultimately rooted in unambiguous Jew hatred.

00:31:20.160 Yes, I completely agree with every word you just said.

00:31:22.880 It's just so obvious.

00:31:24.460 This is not like, well, it's nuanced.

00:31:26.620 Well, you know, you really have to know.

00:31:28.920 It's very clear.

00:31:29.800 A massive act of terrorism took place against the Israelis two Saturdays ago.

00:31:34.560 And there's only one place to land on it.

00:31:36.240 There's only one place to land on it, especially if you're an American.

00:31:40.400 I mean, it's like to see these college students is just all right, we'll get to them in one

00:31:43.820 second.

00:31:44.180 I just want to add one more soundbite to it, because in addition to the awfulness that I

00:31:48.560 just played you, there has been I mean, we could be here all day playing the soundbites

00:31:53.380 from the reporters and the IDF for those poor guys who had to go in there and actually find

00:31:57.920 the bodies.

00:31:58.540 But just for the record, because not everybody is updating the audience on this.

00:32:02.840 Here's another soundbite talking about the atrocities that were witnessed 10 days ago.

00:32:09.500 Her baby is dead.

00:32:12.580 I said, how do you know she's dead?

00:32:14.340 Are you sure?

00:32:15.140 She said they shot her on the head.

00:32:18.920 She was shot.

00:32:21.820 And I didn't know how to comfort her.

00:32:24.540 I couldn't even put my arms around her.

00:32:26.600 They shot a baby, three months old, I think, in front of their mother.

00:32:34.580 In the living room, to see two parents, father and mother, hand tied in the back.

00:32:44.400 And in the other side, against them, the children, two small children, hand tied in the back.

00:32:55.000 And in each of them were torched to see.

00:33:00.120 And the middle is a table where this terrorist were sitting and eating while they were torching

00:33:07.380 the kids, and they used the imagination, who saw what, and you see missing parts on that body.

00:33:17.140 That's only for torch, and by the end, a gunshot wound.

00:33:22.220 Yes, I saw babies, I saw children, I saw a mother holding her baby, holding her baby,

00:33:32.960 and only one bullet went through both of them together.

00:33:39.860 I saw 20 children together with the hand tied in the back, and they were burned, they shot

00:33:47.360 and burned and piled.

00:33:50.160 20 children shot and burned in a pile, you'll see?

00:33:53.660 In two piles.

00:33:54.880 I would say about 280 bodies, 280 casualties.

00:34:01.140 I would say 80% was tortured.

00:34:04.200 I saw a stroller that was stained with blood, a crib overturned on its side, taken outside

00:34:12.360 of the door.

00:34:13.440 This was in front of the house now.

00:34:15.100 The crib overturned, splattered with blood, a child's toy still inside.

00:34:20.160 I heard one story yesterday from one of the people who goes and clears the bodies, and

00:34:26.380 he said he found a pregnant woman who was shot in the head, her stomach sliced open, the baby

00:34:34.120 still attached to the umbilical cord, and the baby was stabbed.

00:34:38.880 I'm sorry, I'm sorry to have to play that, but this is the situation we're in, because you've

00:34:46.340 got people like the squad calling for an immediate ceasefire, saying enough revenge has been exacted

00:34:53.320 on Gaza, on Hamas, and it needs to end now, as though those animals aren't going to want

00:35:00.900 more blood just as soon as a ceasefire could be declared.

00:35:05.900 Megan, we should be very clear what calls for a premature ceasefire, calls for a premature

00:35:10.740 winding down or end of hostilities.

00:35:13.500 We should be very clear about what those calling for that actually desire, what they are really

00:35:18.020 trying to say without having the courage ultimately to say it.

00:35:21.440 They want Hamas to be emboldened.

00:35:23.120 They want Hezbollah to be emboldened.

00:35:24.660 They want the Iranian regime to be emboldened.

00:35:26.800 They want all of the radical Islamic enemies of Israel, the United States, and of good,

00:35:32.500 righteous, sane people the world over.

00:35:35.660 They want those people ultimately to bend the knee before the forces of global jihadism,

00:35:39.920 because that is literally what is happening right now.

00:35:42.840 I mean, Israel versus Hamas is just a proxy for a much broader and longer conflict.

00:35:47.980 And no, I'm not talking about kind of a return to a Bush-era kind of neoconservative gun-toting

00:35:52.840 war on terrorism.

00:35:53.700 But the reality is, the reality is that jihadists all across the world, we saw what happened

00:35:58.960 in Brussels recently, we saw what happened in Paris recently, we saw what happened on

00:36:03.000 the streets of America when Hamas called for a global day of jihad rage, or whatever was

00:36:07.800 the exact description they called it last Friday here.

00:36:10.440 The forces of evil and jihadism the world all over are emboldened right now.

00:36:15.120 So it is not merely Israelis who happen to live near Gaza, such as my brother-in-law, by the

00:36:20.080 way.

00:36:20.220 He lives in a town called Netivo, about five, six miles from the Gaza border.

00:36:23.660 We were all obviously terrified when this attack went down.

00:36:26.340 Thank God he is safe.

00:36:27.560 It is not merely folks like that who will be directly endangered by calls for a premature

00:36:32.000 ceasefire.

00:36:32.840 It is all of us, because these people who are out there, who are marching the Palestinian

00:36:37.400 flag, which has supplanted the swastika as the symbol of Jewish annihilationism, of seeking

00:36:42.920 ultimately to root out and extirpate, frankly, all what radical Islamic jihadists refer to as

00:36:47.600 quote-unquote infidels, Jews and Christian alike.

00:36:49.980 All of those forces on the American University campus, in the media, in the Fortune 500, in

00:36:55.660 our schools, in our homes, in our communities, they will all be emboldened by a premature

00:37:00.120 ceasefire and, frankly, anything less than the complete and utter eradication and extirpation

00:37:05.840 of the Hamas regime.

00:37:07.040 Now, obviously, it's going to get ugly.

00:37:09.360 I mean, if Israel does finally launch this ground invasion, we think that Hezbollah is

00:37:13.540 probably going to get in from Lebanon there.

00:37:15.340 There's the realistic possibility of a two-front war, God forbid, a three-front war potentially

00:37:19.980 from Syria if Bashar al-Assad gets involved.

00:37:23.380 And then, obviously, the massive elephant in the room is about the domestic Israeli-Arab

00:37:27.080 community.

00:37:28.100 You know, about 20% of the Israeli population is Arab.

00:37:31.840 So it's going to get ugly.

00:37:34.020 But the point making is that this has to get done.

00:37:36.700 This has to get done, because anything less than that is not merely going to endanger Israelis.

00:37:41.800 All of us, all of us will suffer the mid- to long-term consequences of a failure to do

00:37:46.100 the job and get it done here.

00:37:48.380 And yet, in the eyes of, as I point out, the squad, Ilhan Omar, Cori Bush, now Ayanna

00:37:53.620 Presley, AOC, it needs to end right now.

00:37:56.380 It needs to end immediately because the number of Palestinians who have been killed exceeds

00:38:01.060 the number of Israelis who were killed.

00:38:02.860 Because Palestinian children have been killed in Israel's response, even though Israel does

00:38:08.320 its level best to avoid any civilian casualties.

00:38:11.460 But Hamas uses them as human shields.

00:38:13.940 And so I'll just give you a flavor.

00:38:15.580 I mean, there's a reason I played those soundbites, just so people understand what was done to Israel.

00:38:20.040 That's just a fraction, a tiny fraction of what was done to Israel.

00:38:23.600 Now you've got AOC out there.

00:38:25.460 She wants an immediate ceasefire.

00:38:26.620 I think we've got it Monday night on CNN, Sot 2.

00:38:28.800 What is Israel supposed to do about Hamas after they murdered, brutalized, abducted over

00:38:37.320 a thousand of their citizens?

00:38:38.720 Well, you know, I think what's important to note about a ceasefire is that it's not one-sided.

00:38:42.560 And I think the position from Israel's perspective is that there was already an attack.

00:38:46.700 I think what is important in terms of response is Israel does have a right to self-defense.

00:38:53.580 I think what we need to take a look at in this situation is if collective punishment qualifies

00:39:00.560 as defense.

00:39:02.040 How else are they supposed to address a violent militant, some, say, terrorist group, other

00:39:09.180 than to go in there and take them on directly?

00:39:11.740 This is an inherently complex situation.

00:39:15.740 It's complex, Josh.

00:39:17.360 It's tough.

00:39:18.040 You've got to really think about it to understand, you know, dead babies better.

00:39:22.200 Yeah, only a radical leftist like AOC could possibly try to make this out to be more complex

00:39:28.800 than it needs to be.

00:39:29.580 You have Israel, which is a force for unambiguous good in the world, which has given this world

00:39:33.780 so much since it was founded in 1948 when it comes to Nobel Prizes in science, medicine,

00:39:38.840 robotics, the high-tech sector, you name it.

00:39:40.780 They have given so much to the world.

00:39:42.500 And then you have a radical Islamist death cult whose founding charter in 1988 is explicitly

00:39:47.980 dedicated to the annihilation of that wonderful state of Israel.

00:39:52.240 And oh, by the way, also the Hamas charter calls for the death of every Jew all across

00:39:56.900 the world.

00:39:57.640 So note to AOC and the rest of the jihad squad, this is really not that complicated.

00:40:02.080 Do not make it out to be more complex than it needs to be.

00:40:04.900 But again, what these people are actually feeling deep down, what they really want to

00:40:08.960 say, but I do not think that they actually have the courage to say it, except for perhaps

00:40:12.720 Rashida Tlaib on a particularly bad day, is that they are openly rooting for the jihadists.

00:40:17.340 They openly want to see dead Jews.

00:40:19.500 We see increasingly all across college campuses, these student jihadists who are affiliated

00:40:23.320 with the so-called Students for Justice in Palestine chapters.

00:40:26.540 They're not even hiding anymore.

00:40:27.740 I mean, we see these university professors, this history professor at Cornell.

00:40:31.540 This came to light over the past 24, 36 hours.

00:40:34.040 He said that he found it.

00:40:35.560 Yeah.

00:40:36.160 We've got it.

00:40:36.660 Let's show it.

00:40:37.140 Let's show it.

00:40:37.640 Let's show it.

00:40:38.280 Because I do want you to react to this.

00:40:40.180 I mean, it's all awful.

00:40:41.820 We've had an update from NYU, from Cornell, from Columbia, from Harvard virtually every day.

00:40:47.800 But this professor at Cornell really takes the cake.

00:40:51.000 So this guy, Professor Russell Rickford.

00:40:54.120 Now, I want people to remember as we get into this controversy, he made these remarks two

00:40:58.360 days ago on Sunday, eight days after the war started, eight days after the atrocities

00:41:03.700 and the terror attack on Israel started.

00:41:05.100 So he decided to get out there at a rally two days ago and say the following about watching

00:41:11.220 that attack.

00:41:12.040 Listen.

00:41:12.500 It was exhilarating.

00:41:15.320 It was exhilarating.

00:41:17.320 It was exhilarating.

00:41:18.320 It was exhilarating.

00:41:19.320 It was exhilarating.

00:41:20.180 Oh, boy.

00:41:22.040 If they weren't exhilarating.

00:41:24.220 No, wait a minute.

00:41:25.600 By this challenge to the monopoly of violence, by this shifting of the balance of power, then

00:41:32.660 they would not feel you and I was exhilarating.

00:41:36.180 My God.

00:41:40.180 So now, now that Cornell has received probably thousands of complaints, including from Jewish

00:41:45.720 students who have to go sit in his history class.

00:41:48.140 I know one of them.

00:41:49.340 Now he comes out and tries to excuse it this way.

00:41:53.040 Josh, what I was referring to again two days ago, quote, is in those first few hours when

00:42:00.280 they brought when they broke through the apartheid wall, it seemed to be a symbol of resistance.

00:42:05.800 It signaled that the Palestinians will to resist had not been broken, quote, in subsequent

00:42:12.940 days, we learned of some of the horrifying realities.

00:42:16.600 OK, now, first of all, that's all a lie because he's saying it eight days in.

00:42:20.280 Everybody knew 48 hours ago about all the horrific claims I just showed you the sound

00:42:25.480 bites of.

00:42:26.220 Plus, we all knew.

00:42:27.580 So he cannot blame what he said two days ago on just, I guess, after that, after Sunday,

00:42:32.940 that's when he learned about the atrocities.

00:42:35.100 And then he goes on to say, OK, in subsequent days, we learned of some of the horrifying realities.

00:42:39.500 But I want to make it clear that Hamas is a fundamentalist organization.

00:42:42.920 It's important to note that in some ways, the fundamentalism of Hamas mirrors that of

00:42:48.860 the Israeli leadership.

00:42:50.140 That's him putting it all in context.

00:42:51.860 You see, that's America's teaching collection today.

00:42:55.580 Cornell.

00:42:57.280 You know, Megan, I was actually up at Cornell.

00:42:59.060 I was at Cornell University like two or three weeks ago to give a Federal Society law school

00:43:03.600 lecture.

00:43:04.180 If I had known that this man was there, I might have paid him a certain kind of office visit.

00:43:08.280 I mean, that really is my kind of visceral reaction when I hear stuff like this.

00:43:12.100 I mean, from this guy, there's a professor at Columbia University, Joseph Mossad, I think

00:43:16.440 is his name.

00:43:16.940 He had a very similar quote, all sorts of other professors.

00:43:20.700 I just cannot describe to you, Megan, as a proud Jew, as a fairly religiously traditional

00:43:25.720 and fairly observant Jew.

00:43:28.440 It really just makes me want to start throwing punches.

00:43:32.080 I mean, hearing this kind of stuff, here we are 78 years, again, after the defeat of Nazi

00:43:37.000 Germany, and our esteemed quote unquote public intellectuals at Ivy League universities are

00:43:42.280 saying that it is exhilarating to see the most genocided people in human history genocided

00:43:47.900 once again.

00:43:48.740 I mean, I just don't have words for this stuff.

00:43:50.960 I mean, this is not a polite debate here.

00:43:53.140 We are not debating what the capital gains tax rate should be.

00:43:56.760 We are not debating whether the gestational limit for abortion should be 12, 15, 18 weeks

00:44:01.760 or something like that.

00:44:02.480 We are literally talking about whether a country, Israel, and ultimately Jews worldwide, because

00:44:09.160 that's obviously what they're getting at here.

00:44:10.840 We all saw that clip down in Sydney, Australia a week and a half ago where all the Muslims

00:44:14.360 are gathered at the iconic Sydney Opera House chanting, gas the Jews.

00:44:18.260 I mean, that's really what's going on here.

00:44:19.880 That is what we're debating.

00:44:21.020 We are debating whether people like me, my family, my fiance, my friends ultimately have

00:44:26.940 a right to live.

00:44:28.460 And it really just takes me back, frankly, to kind of the antebellum debates over slavery.

00:44:33.740 I mean, again, it is a binary choice here.

00:44:36.900 You have good or you have evil.

00:44:39.360 Look, I am not a neoconservative, a foreign policy realist.

00:44:42.640 I think that some foreign policy conflicts are a little more complicated than the neoconservatives

00:44:47.060 make it out to be.

00:44:47.800 Some genuinely do have a gray area between the two extremes.

00:44:51.280 This is not one of them.

00:44:53.040 This is an extremely binary black or white case here.

00:44:56.580 There is truly no middle ground.

00:44:58.580 As I said in my column last week, you are either with these savages who committed atrocities

00:45:04.220 that legitimately would have made the SS, the Gestapo, the folks at Auschwitz and Birkenau

00:45:09.260 and Treblinka, that would have made them proud, that would have led to Hitler and Himmler and

00:45:14.800 all of them saluting you from hell, or you stand against these atrocious, barbaric atrocities

00:45:21.800 and scumbags.

00:45:22.520 I mean, that is the basic choice there.

00:45:24.600 And it just saddens me and devastates me to no end that higher education has been so corrupted

00:45:29.100 and so co-opted by purported public intellectuals who are openly cheering on the side that Hitler

00:45:34.920 would be rooting for from the grave.

00:45:36.240 That's the thing.

00:45:37.960 So it's like, even if you've been following the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and you understand

00:45:42.400 how they got there and have sympathies, even if you were to have sympathies with the Palestinians

00:45:48.280 and the position that they're in, even if you were in that position, what kind of a human

00:45:53.040 could look at what happened two Saturdays ago and say anything other than, my God, I don't

00:45:59.820 want anything to do with them.

00:46:01.940 I condemn Hamas in the strongest terms possible.

00:46:06.220 This is evil incarnate, like period, period, you know, and then that you can go back to

00:46:11.780 arguing the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the politics of it.

00:46:15.460 But there is no answer to what we saw other than it's evil and it has to be stopped.

00:46:21.060 Hamas must be stopped.

00:46:22.840 And there's a reason these people can't bring themselves to say it.

00:46:25.820 I want to pick it up with that Columbia professor, Professor Joseph Mossad.

00:46:29.620 And that's the one I made reference to yesterday that Barry Weiss had when she was at Columbia.

00:46:34.800 And as a young Jewish woman was like, what the hell is he saying?

00:46:38.940 And got some pushback on it.

00:46:40.400 I'll tell you exactly what he's saying.

00:46:41.840 We'll talk about the latest out of NYU with the video found of what the students were doing

00:46:46.480 there when we bring Josh back in two minutes.

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00:47:26.040 OK, so I wanted to mention the Columbia University professor who you mentioned as well, Professor

00:47:32.680 Joseph Massad, history and politics professor since 1999.

00:47:36.760 Unfortunately, he's tenured.

00:47:38.460 He's a native of Jordan and he's of Palestinian descent.

00:47:42.140 He was the guy Barry Weiss sat in his class and said, this guy seemed kind of anti-Semitic

00:47:46.680 to me, seems awfully focused on how evil Israel is without a lot of balance.

00:47:50.900 And she received some criticism for being too, too much of an activist.

00:47:55.380 Well, here he is again in the wake of this conflict, similar to this guy, Russell Rickford

00:48:00.480 at Cornell, openly calling the Hamas attacks awesome, innovative and a major achievement

00:48:08.020 in an op-ed for Electronic Intifada.

00:48:11.220 The petition to get him fired now has some forty five thousand signatures and climbing.

00:48:16.160 But also now there's a letter of solidarity with more than three hundred Columbia affiliates

00:48:21.440 affiliates and members of the public.

00:48:23.980 The letter was written by students, faculty and alumni demanding that he be provided with

00:48:30.080 security, that he be protected and that he not be fired because they think it's just

00:48:35.020 fine.

00:48:35.320 And he thought the terrorist attack was, quote, awesome.

00:48:39.540 So what do you make of Professor Mossad at Columbia?

00:48:44.360 Well, the first thing is that I find it pretty hilarious, if nothing else, that a tenured

00:48:48.780 professor at an Ivy League institution is giving interviews to Electronic Intifada, which has

00:48:54.580 written at least two.

00:48:55.840 I mean, literally at least two or three hit pieces against me.

00:48:58.360 I've kind of lost count over the years due to my pro-Israel activism.

00:49:00.960 I mean, this is a just absolutely disgusting website.

00:49:02.900 I mean, I would encourage the viewers to spend maybe 10 seconds just scrolling through

00:49:06.460 the home page.

00:49:07.420 You will get a feel for the kind of propaganda that they put out there very, very quickly.

00:49:11.700 Look, Barry Weiss was obviously correct when she had those instincts about this guy years

00:49:15.060 ago.

00:49:15.300 I saw a different quote from him where he casually referred to Israel as the, quote, unquote,

00:49:19.220 Jewish supremacist regime.

00:49:21.460 I mean, has this guy ever been to Israel?

00:49:23.380 I mean, has he actually ever been on the ground and seen the situation there?

00:49:26.400 There are Arabs in Israeli society represented at literally all of the pillars of Israeli society.

00:49:31.560 There are Arabs in the Knesset.

00:49:33.620 That's their parliament, their legislature.

00:49:35.400 There are Arabs on the Israeli Supreme Court.

00:49:38.020 In fact, Israel's commitment to free speech, especially when it comes to Arabs who oppose

00:49:42.640 Zionism, who oppose Israel's existence, Israel's dedication to free speech is so extreme, probably

00:49:48.100 even more extreme than I actually would personally prefer it to be, that they actually have no problem

00:49:52.040 whatsoever with Arab members of the Knesset get up there in their parliament and give speeches

00:49:57.600 on the parliamentary floor calling for the eradication of Zionism, calling Israel a cancer

00:50:03.520 and apartheid regime.

00:50:04.740 Again, that's probably more absolute as free speech than even I am comfortable with.

00:50:08.260 But the point here, for relevant purposes, is that Arabs within Israel have all true civil

00:50:14.620 and legal equality, and yet he refers to Israel casually as a Jewish supremacist regime.

00:50:18.400 Again, whether it's him, whether it's Professor Rickford at Cornell, there are any number

00:50:22.180 of examples, unfortunately, as well.

00:50:24.680 Ultimately, Megan, the problem, I think, is the ivory tower in general.

00:50:28.580 But in particular, in particular, you have a lot of Middle Eastern studies and Near East

00:50:33.120 studies departments in universities all across the country.

00:50:36.320 And anyone who has ever spent any time, whether you had a class in one of these departments

00:50:40.360 or whether you're just kind of perusing the textbooks and the material that they assign,

00:50:44.080 they are just dripping, dripping with Jew hatred, with anti-Semitism, with a profoundly

00:50:48.840 kind of Arabist, kind of pro-radical Islam view of the world there.

00:50:53.580 And when it comes to kind of wielding the levers of public policy to try to effectuate

00:50:57.080 some sort of change and have some sort of remedy here, I think when it comes to defunding

00:51:00.920 the universities, we should really be, I think, initially focused on these uniquely problematic

00:51:05.100 departments here.

00:51:06.060 Because ultimately, the problem with the universities is a more profound one.

00:51:10.140 I mean, universities are ostensibly dedicated to the pursuit of truth and trying to kind of

00:51:14.840 raise quality young men and women who have sound Republican habits of mind, who are good

00:51:19.440 citizens, who are proud patriots, blah, blah, blah.

00:51:21.920 They obviously have been straying from that mission for 70, 80, 90 years or so now.

00:51:26.380 But a good place to start, seeing the disgusting filth that is coming out of these various professors

00:51:31.980 and these elite institutions, I think would be to start by defunding these Middle Eastern

00:51:36.880 studies and Near East studies departments because they are usually just a smokescreen for the worst

00:51:42.280 kind of Jew hatred imaginable.

00:51:44.360 Yes.

00:51:44.860 And thankfully, defunding of the universities is starting to happen to some extent.

00:51:49.440 Just got together this short list.

00:51:52.180 At Harvard, one of Israel's millionaire couples resigned from its executive board.

00:51:58.000 Adan Offer and his wife, Batia, withdrew their multimillion dollar donation that they had planned

00:52:03.420 to give Harvard.

00:52:04.400 The Wexner Foundation, they had given 56 million to Harvard.

00:52:09.240 They withdrew their money, said, you're not getting another dime.

00:52:11.880 Citadel founder and Harvard graduate Ken Griffin vowed his hedge fund will never hire those

00:52:16.480 who signed these letters.

00:52:18.240 He's donated more than 500 million to Harvard, joined with Bill Ackman, another hedge fund

00:52:22.960 guy, on blacklisting these students who are supporting openly this terrorist group, Hamas.

00:52:27.720 At UPenn, Apollo CEO Mark Rowan, that's just a behemoth in the hedge fund world, called on

00:52:34.520 doctors, donors to pull their funding.

00:52:37.460 He had donated 50 million to Wharton, UPenn's, of course, business school, in 2018.

00:52:42.760 John Huntsman, former U.S. ambassador and presidential candidate, said he will stop all

00:52:45.920 of his donations and those of his very wealthy family.

00:52:48.460 His dad had donated 50 million to UPenn.

00:52:50.900 They're pulling it.

00:52:51.600 So bit by bit by bit, these very smart Jewish donors and their allies are saying, we started

00:53:00.020 this in New York.

00:53:00.680 It wasn't our catchphrase, but we were part of the group.

00:53:03.400 Our the phrase was not another cupcake, not a cupcake at a bake sale, not another cupcake

00:53:10.040 until you change the way you approach these issues.

00:53:13.780 And in our case, it was the the crazy race essentialism and the crazy, you know, gender

00:53:18.640 ideology being foist on us.

00:53:20.460 But now it's exploded to show, you know, how bigoted these people who were pushing those

00:53:25.420 other agendas on us happened to be.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, I mean, these universities do not need your money.

00:53:31.500 I mean, look at Harvard's endowments.

00:53:33.320 Harvard has an endowment of north of 40 billion dollars.

00:53:35.960 I can't remember the exact statistic, but it's a heck of a lot of money.

00:53:38.560 They do not need your money.

00:53:39.760 I mean, I have no idea why Ken Griffin in particular has given that much money over the

00:53:43.380 years there, but good for these people.

00:53:45.320 I mean, look, there are some people out there.

00:53:46.940 You know, I saw Vivek Ramaswamy calling it, quote unquote, cancel culture for, you know,

00:53:51.780 folks like Bill Ackman and Ken Griffin to announce that they will never hire anyone for

00:53:55.840 their hedge funds for people who signed on to these openly pro-Hamas, drippingly anti-Semitic

00:54:01.080 letters.

00:54:02.020 You know, I saw a judge on the U.S.

00:54:04.680 Court of Federal Claims, the first federal judge who I've seen make a very similar pronouncement.

00:54:09.000 He happens to be Jewish, that judge himself there.

00:54:12.340 This, Megan, this is not cancel culture.

00:54:14.480 You know, this is market force at work.

00:54:16.620 You know, you want to put an idea out there, you better expect for there to be some sort

00:54:20.840 of reaction there.

00:54:22.300 I mean, I just find it ludicrous to suggest that free speech ought to be such a sacrosanct

00:54:28.840 ideal that it necessarily prevents anyone from making a moral judgment as to the actual

00:54:34.440 content of that speech.

00:54:35.840 So, for example, I mean, if I were to just say that all 1.8, 1.9 billion Muslims across

00:54:41.040 the world should be killed tomorrow, I would be held responsible for that speech.

00:54:45.480 I would probably be fired from my employer, and rightfully so, because no one should ever

00:54:49.900 call for that sort of thing there.

00:54:51.740 This is just the market at work.

00:54:53.520 And it's actually very encouraging, frankly, to see the marketplace at work.

00:54:56.880 Another similar example of that, Megan, I saw that MSNBC's ratings have totally cratered

00:55:01.500 over the course of the past week and a half.

00:55:02.960 The New York Post reported that it was down 33 percent, if I recall, and they actually

00:55:06.660 benched some of their pro-Hamas anchors, folks like Mehdi Hassan.

00:55:10.380 That's good.

00:55:11.100 That's the way it's supposed to work.

00:55:12.380 Again, that is supply and demand.

00:55:13.820 That is people using their power as consumers to try to shift supply and demand and market

00:55:18.520 forces.

00:55:19.020 So I find this all very encouraging.

00:55:20.900 And I think shame on those like—

00:55:23.000 Go ahead.

00:55:23.500 Sorry.

00:55:24.400 Yeah, no, no.

00:55:24.860 I agree with you.

00:55:25.560 But the other thing is, it would be one thing if these students of Students for Justice

00:55:30.160 for Palestine existed prior to this terror attack.

00:55:33.280 And, you know, presumably they were very in favor of Palestine.

00:55:36.300 And they weren't getting canceled.

00:55:38.080 They weren't getting—nobody was blacklisting them.

00:55:40.180 That's one thing.

00:55:40.960 You know, like I was saying earlier, your sympathies are more pro-Palestine, even pro-Hamas.

00:55:45.700 Okay.

00:55:46.680 Do your homework.

00:55:47.760 But okay.

00:55:48.840 There wasn't a blacklist.

00:55:50.120 First, this—their support, their open support for Hamas and condemnation of Israel came

00:55:55.780 after Israel had 1,400 of its civilians murdered.

00:56:00.940 Not—they didn't target military.

00:56:02.640 They targeted the civilians in the most horrific, tortuous ways one can do.

00:56:08.740 And in response to that, these groups sided with Hamas.

00:56:11.480 That's in a different league.

00:56:12.720 That's supporting terror.

00:56:14.160 It's a hard no.

00:56:15.460 You don't get to work for me.

00:56:16.840 And I got news for Vivek.

00:56:18.060 You don't get to work for the president of the United States either.

00:56:20.580 And this is going to become a big deal if his campaign ever takes off.

00:56:24.540 Are you actually going to hire one of these people?

00:56:26.360 Are you actually going to take those people who are out there saying,

00:56:28.960 there were no dead babies?

00:56:30.460 Oh, good.

00:56:31.080 Good luck on your rehab program.

00:56:32.600 That's not happening in our White House.

00:56:35.040 So it's fine for some private employer who doesn't have any Jewish employees,

00:56:38.540 if this is the way they want to go.

00:56:40.000 But who that has any Jewish clients or Jewish staff or anyone who's just a sane human who

00:56:46.900 doesn't like to work next to murder sympathizers would hire one of these lunatics, Josh.

00:56:51.800 Right.

00:56:52.560 So it's worth underscoring a point that you just made there, Megan, which is we're not

00:56:56.280 talking here about the Palestinian Authority.

00:56:58.380 We're not talking about Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah.

00:57:00.520 I mean, they have a ton of problems.

00:57:01.800 We can get into that if you want to.

00:57:02.780 We're talking here, though, about Hamas.

00:57:04.480 Hamas is a literally registered terrorist organization by the United States, by the

00:57:09.960 European Union, but obviously by Israel.

00:57:12.480 I mean, essentially by every major Western power recognizes Hamas as being indistinguishable

00:57:16.800 from al-Qaeda, ISIS, the Taliban, you name it.

00:57:19.940 Any stripe of fundamentalist, genocidal, Sunni Islamic jihad.

00:57:24.200 They are all inseparable.

00:57:26.240 I mean, we saw the Pentagon Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin just last week was over in Israel

00:57:30.740 saying that he had lots of on the ground experience with ISIS's atrocities in Syria and Iraq.

00:57:36.040 And what he saw on the ground, we heard it there in the clips earlier on your program,

00:57:39.800 what he saw on the ground was worse than anything that he ever saw from ISIS with all of their

00:57:44.300 beheadings and various other medieval barbaric atrocities there.

00:57:47.820 So the people there are not kind of saying some sort of two-state solution.

00:57:51.940 They're not pro-Oslo accords.

00:57:53.560 I happen to disagree with that, too.

00:57:54.820 But that is within the confines of a legitimate political debate for sure.

00:57:58.900 What is not within the confines of a legitimate debate is to openly pronounce your sympathy

00:58:04.380 and or outright support for a U.S., EU, U.N., and so forth recognized terrorist organization,

00:58:11.800 a terrorist organization which, oh, by the way, the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken,

00:58:15.740 who was just in Tel Aviv a day or two ago for meetings, he had to run to a bomb shelter to

00:58:20.560 seek cover while Hamas rockets were being flung at Tel Aviv from Gaza.

00:58:25.000 And yet these students are somehow celebrating the attempted assassination in that case of

00:58:29.760 their own purported Secretary of State.

00:58:31.860 No, you cannot say these things.

00:58:33.860 You cannot call for Jewish genocide without facing some sort of repercussions.

00:58:38.520 And frankly, the people here who are engaging in cancel culture, Megan, if we want to actually

00:58:42.520 use that rhetoric, the people who are engaging in cancel culture are the Jewish genocide and

00:58:47.680 annihilationist apologists who are trying to cancel the entirety of the Jewish state of Israel

00:58:52.860 and ultimately the Jewish people from the face of the earth.

00:58:55.580 It's so true.

00:58:56.380 And even if you have zero sympathies for Israel and its citizens, its civilians, 27 Americans

00:59:03.060 were killed and these assholes are out in the street cheering it.

00:59:05.920 So it's a no.

00:59:07.000 It's a no on your application.

00:59:08.900 Good luck.

00:59:09.740 I'm sure there are wonderful organizations that would hire a person like you.

00:59:12.860 I mean, I wait to see what they are.

00:59:15.500 But in the meantime, Harvard's reaction to that whole scandal thus far has been now.

00:59:19.660 OK, they put out four different statements, but here's the latest iteration.

00:59:23.160 Harvard's Arab Alumni Association is appealing for donations and support to help the poor students

00:59:29.800 who signed the letter supporting Hamas, saying they have been subjected to, quote, relentless

00:59:35.220 bullying and intimidation.

00:59:38.040 Let's never forget, Josh, in this terrorist attack, the Harvard signatories are the real victims.

00:59:44.560 Yeah, I mean, look, what is there to say?

00:59:49.700 I mean, up is down, down is up, left is right, right is left here, black is white, white is

00:59:53.880 black.

00:59:54.220 I mean, the level of moral inversion and moral perverseness in American society has reached

00:59:59.200 us hitherto unforeseen heights, I think.

01:00:01.240 I mean, it seemingly just gets worse and worse every year.

01:00:04.120 I mean, the so-called pro-Palestinian cause at this point from my admittedly somewhat biased

01:00:09.880 vantage point, I think, has probably supplanted all of the critical race theory nonsense, all

01:00:14.240 of the gender ideology nonsense.

01:00:16.000 I mean, this is about as evil as it gets.

01:00:18.060 Well, the gender ideology stuff is pretty evil, of course, when it gets to sterilizing kids.

01:00:21.780 But this stuff is at a bare minimum in this same discussion as to the most hideous and

01:00:27.880 evil filth out there.

01:00:29.260 And again, you have people not merely at this point just trying to both sides this thing.

01:00:34.120 Oh, both sides are at fault.

01:00:35.680 Yeah, you obviously have a lot of that.

01:00:37.200 That's what the jihad squad, the AOCs are trying to do.

01:00:39.740 But you have these people just openly siding with Hamas.

01:00:43.080 And then there's somehow the real victim.

01:00:45.220 No, the victims of this are the babies who were slaughtered, the Holocaust survivors who

01:00:49.580 were shot point blank in the back of the head, execution style, the women who were raped and

01:00:54.160 pillaged and ultimately murdered next to their friends who were previously murdered.

01:00:57.700 The victims are the families in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem whose young ones are currently being

01:01:01.840 held hostage by Islamic fundamentalist jihadist thugs in the terror tunnels under

01:01:07.120 the streets of Gaza.

01:01:08.300 The victims are the Americans, the Europeans, all of whom had their own civilians die in

01:01:13.080 this unspeakable atrocity there.

01:01:15.400 And, you know, maybe it's too much to ask for that higher education show just a modicum,

01:01:20.260 a modicum of moral decency at this point.

01:01:22.580 But surely at a bare minimum, to get back to a earlier conversation, the United States

01:01:26.280 taxpayer does not need to be subsidizing any of this activity for a penny.

01:01:31.560 And I really hope to see folks in Congress start to pick up that mantle a bit more.

01:01:35.740 So, so many places to go with this discussion.

01:01:38.340 I want to I want to get to NYU and the hostages.

01:01:43.200 But before I do, you referenced it before.

01:01:45.440 We haven't yet talked about it today.

01:01:46.640 And that is the terrorist attack in Belgium, in Belgium, where two people were murdered

01:01:51.340 by what appears to be an ISIS sympathizer, a Hamas sympathizer.

01:01:56.440 And what we now learn today is that he said it was in retribution for a lunatic in Illinois,

01:02:03.100 a 70 year old landlord who murdered a six year old boy who was I believe he was Palestinian

01:02:11.060 American.

01:02:12.200 And he decided to take out his frustrations over what had happened in this terror attack

01:02:16.700 against Israel on this Palestinian boy.

01:02:19.180 Absolutely disgusting.

01:02:20.340 And that 70 year old has been arrested and will face murder charges.

01:02:23.700 And everyone's horrified by that.

01:02:25.560 I think it was what six rabbis went to his funeral or spoke out.

01:02:30.460 The Jewish community here is outraged at that as well.

01:02:34.140 That's the difference.

01:02:35.140 There are no Hamas people who are outraged at all about what Hamas did to the Israelis.

01:02:40.320 So this terrorist in Belgium decides to murder.

01:02:43.220 We've got the soundbite.

01:02:44.680 We've got a clip, forgive me, of one of the shootings.

01:02:49.400 We'll show it in part.

01:02:55.560 You can see the person go down.

01:03:10.540 He goes back and shoots him again.

01:03:13.260 He goes back and shoots him again.

01:03:15.540 Well, now he's been identified.

01:03:16.980 That's somebody who sympathizes with the Palestinians.

01:03:19.480 So that's what happened in Belgium and what happened in Illinois prior to it.

01:03:25.020 But I want to get back to the hostages.

01:03:26.520 So first of all, let's start domestically.

01:03:28.600 At NYU, in an absolutely filthy, disgusting act, these two women were caught on tape.

01:03:36.040 Three individuals, actually, were seen tearing down the posters of the hostages and of the

01:03:42.920 missing children.

01:03:44.280 Look at this.

01:03:45.200 Look at these three women.

01:03:46.160 They're tearing them down of the kidnapped Israeli children and adults.

01:03:50.540 What kind of filth would do this?

01:03:53.300 Nobody stopped them.

01:03:54.080 So I'm glad somebody videoed them.

01:03:55.340 I mean, they're probably worried that these women, who knows if you pull down pictures

01:03:58.040 like this, who knows what they'll do to you if you try to stop them.

01:04:00.860 But there are, let's show their faces.

01:04:02.920 Meghan McCain tweeted out a closeup of their face.

01:04:04.640 Let's show their faces.

01:04:05.840 Let's see if we can find them.

01:04:06.860 I'd love to find them.

01:04:07.960 Put them on the do not hire list.

01:04:09.880 Proudly on the do not hire list.

01:04:12.620 Look at these people.

01:04:14.500 They're disgusting.

01:04:15.880 So that's what happened at NYU.

01:04:17.520 Lovely.

01:04:18.160 One of America's most respected campuses.

01:04:20.780 No problem whatsoever.

01:04:22.220 They want the children to suffer and suffer.

01:04:25.620 Indeed, they are, Josh.

01:04:27.800 And that leads me to what's happening right now in Gaza as 199 hostages remain in custody.

01:04:34.260 There was this background.

01:04:37.440 OK, because they have so many of the children, the babies, the young women, the young children

01:04:42.840 off of a lot of these kibbutzes.

01:04:45.320 And a lot of people wonder, like half were killed, half were taken.

01:04:48.640 How?

01:04:49.180 Like, how did they get in and get out of these kibbutzes so easily and so quickly and get

01:04:53.380 so many hostages and managed to go right to the babies and kill them?

01:04:56.620 Well, we got a little flavor on that from the Daily Mail, which did some reporting on this,

01:05:02.000 sending a reporter out to one of them, one of the kibbutzes, to figure out exactly how

01:05:06.540 did some of this go down.

01:05:07.700 And here's a clip of what he reported.

01:05:09.780 And he said that, effectively, it was an inside job.

01:05:15.660 Farm workers from Gaza had been coming here for the past two years under a new scheme

01:05:21.600 designed to improve the Gaza economy.

01:05:25.000 They were given permits.

01:05:25.880 They could come and work here for a day and then go back home into Gaza.

01:05:31.340 And it was them that asked those people, those farm workers, who are suspected of gathering

01:05:37.920 the intelligence of where people lived, the layout of the streets, and how far away the

01:05:45.760 police and the soldiers might be.

01:05:50.900 My God, you talk about the moral clarity between the two sides and who's on the side of the angels

01:05:55.880 and who's on the side of the devil.

01:05:58.120 And it's very clear.

01:05:59.000 You know, it obviously is very clear, but it also underscores one of Israel's major strategic

01:06:06.120 failures over the past five, 10 years, which is the reason that Israel boosted those work

01:06:10.560 permits for Gazans to then go work into Israel, was that Israel was under the misunderstanding

01:06:16.960 that Hamas could be economically placated, that Hamas might have some interest whatsoever

01:06:21.980 in actually attending to the day-to-day governing responsibilities of the, you know, one and a half

01:06:26.940 to two million Arabs who are living inside the Gaza Strip.

01:06:30.820 And that was a catastrophic failure of judgment on Israel's part.

01:06:34.860 You know, getting rid of those work permits from Gaza, I think, will be one of many public

01:06:39.780 policy changes that is drastically needed and presumably will happen in Israel in the coming

01:06:44.380 weeks if it, frankly, has not already happened there.

01:06:47.340 But, you know, another thing to say about Hamas that I don't think I've said yet, but I think

01:06:50.600 it's important for the viewers to understand this nonetheless there, Hamas is overwhelmingly

01:06:55.540 popular in Gaza.

01:06:57.100 You know, I see the President of the United States, Joe Biden, I see others saying that

01:07:00.180 not every Palestinian supports Hamas, and obviously that's true.

01:07:03.480 But many, many, many do.

01:07:05.260 Hamas was popularly elected by the people of Gaza in the West Bank, you know, which Jews

01:07:10.520 call Judea and Samaria.

01:07:12.060 The reason that Makhman Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, has not held an election

01:07:16.240 despite being in the 18th year of his four-year term, the reason that he has not held an election

01:07:20.560 in 18 years is because polling consistently shows that if he does, Hamas would wipe the

01:07:25.720 floor with his own moderate party, Fatah, in Palestinian elections there.

01:07:30.380 Hamas has overwhelming popular support in Gaza.

01:07:33.220 In fact, one of the reasons that the IDF has always eschewed kind of a full-scale ground

01:07:38.020 invasion to eradicate Hamas is the fear that if the IDF actually did so, if they actually

01:07:42.980 were to topple Hamas, something worse could actually come in place.

01:07:47.680 I'm not making that up.

01:07:48.680 That is literally one of the calculations in the IDF security brass there.

01:07:52.340 So these people are just totally and completely brainwashed there, which then takes us back

01:07:56.720 to what we just saw in that clip, which is just the idiocy of the folks in the Knesset

01:08:01.060 who thought that this would be a good policy to bring in all these work permits of these

01:08:04.980 people that effectively just acted as spies.

01:08:06.920 The whole story is just incredibly and remarkably tragic.

01:08:09.320 There will be movies and books written on this terrible, terrible day, October 7, 2023 for

01:08:14.820 a very, very long time, unfortunately.

01:08:17.880 I have to make a comment about Mia Shem.

01:08:21.540 I just, it was so heartbreaking.

01:08:23.920 They put out video of this hostage.

01:08:26.340 I'm not going to show Hamas propaganda, but she was, she has some sort of an arm injury and

01:08:31.940 she was, she was saying that she had had a surgery in some hospital.

01:08:36.520 And I mean, her eyes, her face, she looks terrified in this video that Hamas released.

01:08:43.520 They released it to try to show, oh, look how well we're treating the hostages.

01:08:48.100 This was Mia at the festival from which she was kidnapped two Saturdays ago with, look at this.

01:08:56.400 She's positively gorgeous.

01:08:58.540 She has her whole life in front of her.

01:09:00.140 She's having a great time with friends.

01:09:01.520 She's got a thousand watt smile and now she's being held by these barbarians and they want

01:09:11.180 us to celebrate that they allegedly gave her some surgery for the arm they hurt, that they

01:09:17.560 allegedly tried to save the life that they endangered.

01:09:20.360 And this is their propaganda, which gets aired over and over.

01:09:24.700 NBC News the other day aired a piece of propaganda directly from a woman who was young and beautiful

01:09:29.560 and with Hamas and had been released by Hamas to try to show, you know, how, how tough it

01:09:36.380 is to be in Gaza right now.

01:09:37.820 It's just the propaganda machine that is at work.

01:09:41.360 But the truth is, behind all of these pictures that they're trying to get us to bite on, they're

01:09:45.840 trying to get us to feel sympathy for, is a very savvy group that's hurting a very vulnerable

01:09:51.300 population.

01:09:53.700 That's completely correct.

01:09:54.880 Look, if you here's the key point when it comes to this, Megan, if you ever want to see

01:09:58.960 not you literally, but proverbially you, if the people out there ever want to see a lasting

01:10:03.000 solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Hamas has to go.

01:10:07.840 There is no future of that conflict whatsoever for the Israeli people, for the Arabs of Gaza,

01:10:13.380 for the Arabs of Judea and Samaria, the West Bank, for anyone involved.

01:10:16.620 There is no future whatsoever where Hamas can possibly have a role there.

01:10:21.680 I mean, frankly, personally, I think that October 7, 2023 was the day that the last remnants

01:10:26.420 of the so-called two-state solution probably ever exists.

01:10:29.620 I think that probably is going to be a non-starter ever.

01:10:32.040 How could Israel ever, ever, ever concede another in-chip territory after we saw what this

01:10:36.200 happened there?

01:10:36.660 But Hamas in particular, again, they are indistinguishable from ISIS.

01:10:41.220 Lloyd Austin, the Secretary of Defense there last week, said that what he saw from Hamas

01:10:44.740 was worse than anything he had ever seen from ISIS there.

01:10:48.180 I frankly have no idea, Megan.

01:10:50.040 This is kind of something that I've been genuinely kind of perplexed by.

01:10:52.880 I don't have a good answer to this question.

01:10:54.500 The Arabs that will remain in Gaza after the IDF does what it has to do there, I have no

01:10:59.320 idea how you can de-radicalize these people.

01:11:01.860 Because again, Hamas has overwhelming popularity there.

01:11:04.260 You saw the videos of that German girl kind of disfigured in the back of the pickup truck.

01:11:09.000 The people are on the streets cheering there.

01:11:11.020 I mean, again, the moral division here, the moral clarity could not be starker between that

01:11:15.140 and what you just discussed about this horrific murder of the six-year-old boy.

01:11:18.460 The Jewish community universally condemns such barbarism.

01:11:21.200 The moral dichotomy could not possibly be clearer there.

01:11:24.960 But, you know, look, Israel has some very difficult decisions in the days ahead.

01:11:29.760 They've obviously delayed this ground invasion of Gaza.

01:11:32.340 Who knows at this point if it's even going to happen?

01:11:35.160 I have no idea, frankly, what Joe Biden and Antony Blinken are back-channeling to Netanyahu

01:11:39.880 and the Israelis about possibly trying to kind of call them off of a ground invasion there.

01:11:44.320 But when it gets ugly, and it is definitely going to get uglier from here,

01:11:48.400 there's going to be a lot of graphics of dead Palestinian Arab children, things like that here.

01:11:52.680 It's important for the viewers to remember that the blame for this goes exclusively to Hamas.

01:11:58.300 Hamas, of course, which bombed, which bombed their own roadways in southern Gaza

01:12:02.720 to prevent their own people from leaving, thus locking them in

01:12:06.840 so that they can have more people as human shields to cynically then hike to jump up the Palestinian death toll

01:12:14.880 so that the eyes of the world will then hone in on Israel.

01:12:17.200 It's the most disgustingly cynical strategy you could possibly imagine.

01:12:20.980 But again, this Band-Aid has to be ripped off.

01:12:24.020 There is no more kind of half-assing this.

01:12:26.300 They have to go in and do what needs to be done.

01:12:28.640 And, Megan, I am just praying at this point, not that the U.S. sends boots on the ground.

01:12:32.400 The Israelis don't need that.

01:12:33.340 I am just praying that Joe Biden just stays the hell away, does not call for a premature ceasefire,

01:12:38.620 just does not call for any kind of draconian pressure,

01:12:41.980 and just lets the IDF do what the IDF knows damn well how to do.

01:12:47.380 Quick last question on the refugees.

01:12:50.440 You know, I don't know who's fleeing.

01:12:51.640 I really don't.

01:12:52.660 Hamas is not dumb.

01:12:54.120 You know, they may be in with the civilians fleeing,

01:12:57.080 the ones who don't see death as the glory of, you know, the whole purpose of living.

01:13:01.200 Um, and so I'd be very wary, as Egypt is, about letting them into Egypt.

01:13:06.760 I'd be even more worried about them coming to America.

01:13:10.420 And yet there is a question about where they're supposed to flee to,

01:13:13.320 as Israel gives them the warning, like, we're about to come, so get out.

01:13:17.040 Where should they go?

01:13:18.760 And what do you think about AOC saying, they should come here?

01:13:22.260 Well, God willing, they will not come here.

01:13:26.820 God willing, we will not take in a single one of them.

01:13:29.360 We have enough of a problem here in the U.S. when it comes to that on our own right now.

01:13:33.180 There was this harrowing graphic.

01:13:34.560 I saw you tweeted it out.

01:13:35.540 I tweeted out as well of this march in Dearborn, Michigan.

01:13:38.640 Just hundreds and hundreds of people chanting the genocidal slogan from the river to the sea,

01:13:43.160 Palestine shall be free.

01:13:44.180 I mean, if the past week and a half has clarified anything, Megan,

01:13:47.520 and has clarified that the U.S. does not need any more refugees, asylees,

01:13:51.620 or frankly, just immigrants in general from that broader part of the world.

01:13:55.920 Look, going back just real quick to kind of the aftermath of World War I,

01:14:00.480 which is when the victorious European powers, the British and the French,

01:14:03.440 carved up the Middle East.

01:14:05.120 Jordan was supposed to be the so-called Palestinian state.

01:14:08.100 And in theory today, the majority of the population in Jordan is actually still ethnically Palestinian.

01:14:14.660 In fact, the king of Jordan, he's a Hashemite.

01:14:17.680 He's actually an ethnic minority in his own country.

01:14:20.440 So in theory, Jordan and Egypt are really the two places where these folks ought to go.

01:14:25.120 Of course, they don't want them because they see these people for what they are,

01:14:28.600 which are people who openly support the Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is merely an offshoot.

01:14:32.600 They support radical jihadism.

01:14:34.560 Of course, Jordan doesn't want them.

01:14:36.000 I mean, Jordan back in 1970 had the Black September Palestinian terrorist uprising

01:14:40.580 back when Yasser Arafat was still in charge there.

01:14:43.180 But unfortunately, there's no better solution.

01:14:45.560 So, you know, immediately, Megan, that Sunday night after the atrocities happened,

01:14:49.500 I did like a long tweet giving my full thoughts on this.

01:14:52.300 And then that tweet, one of the things I said was that now is the time for the U.S.

01:14:55.720 to apply extraordinary carrots and sticks diplomacy to pressure President el-Sisi in Egypt

01:15:01.080 to take these people, threatening to withhold any and all foreign aid,

01:15:04.680 threatening to vote against Egypt at the U.N.

01:15:06.780 Every single diplomatic lever available should have been applied a week ago.

01:15:11.060 So at this point, perhaps it's too late.

01:15:13.040 But that really, I think, is the unfortunately it's not a great solution,

01:15:16.180 but it's probably the least bad outcome at this point.

01:15:19.700 Well, sorry.

01:15:20.080 Forgive me one more.

01:15:21.180 You've also been raising the alarm about Qatar.

01:15:24.160 You know, that's where all Hamas's leaders are sitting in these beautiful hotels.

01:15:26.700 They're they're managing to escape a lot of the scrutiny.

01:15:29.820 But what what should we do about them?

01:15:31.860 We've been pretending they're they're a wonderful friend and pal to us in the Middle East.

01:15:36.300 Yeah, very problematic country.

01:15:37.940 Qatar has a sprawling, sprawling influence operation in Washington, D.C.

01:15:41.760 They fund major think tanks like the Brookings Institution in Doha, Qatar.

01:15:46.020 There are many American universities with campuses, Northwestern University, Georgetown, Texas A&M.

01:15:52.160 I mean, they're one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

01:15:53.640 They sit on top of the world's largest natural gas reserve.

01:15:56.500 So they have tons and tons of money, but they are not our friend.

01:15:59.280 They invest a lot of money in trying to gaslight us into thinking that they are our friends.

01:16:03.980 But their Al Jazeera state TV based in Doha disseminates Islamism, radical Islam all throughout the region.

01:16:09.840 Osama bin Laden used to give kind of his his lectures on Al Jazeera.

01:16:13.420 Al Jazeera was basically Osama bin Laden's personal platform before he was thankfully taken out in Pakistan 12 years ago now.

01:16:20.800 And yes, Hamas leadership literally lives in five star luxury hotels in Doha.

01:16:26.360 So I cannot believe that the U.S. at this point has not at a bare minimum demanded that Hamas leadership from Qatar be extradited.

01:16:34.080 Again, this is not just Israeli civilians or Israeli citizens, I should say, who are being held hostage in those terror tunnels in Gaza.

01:16:41.300 There are American citizens there.

01:16:43.020 I mean, if you are calling yourself, you know, pounding your chest and saying I'm America first, what is what is possibly not America first about demanding that the people responsible for your own people being taken hostage be extradited to face justice in a court of law here?

01:16:59.340 So Qatar clearly plays it both ways.

01:17:01.520 Just last year, the U.S. Congress designated them as a, quote unquote, major non-NATO ally.

01:17:06.640 It is time for Qatar to be severed, I think, from the community of Western nations.

01:17:11.800 Back in 2017, in the summer of 2017, the UAE, the Saudis and other kind of more moderate kind of Arab countries actually did a full scale embargo, a blockade of Qatar.

01:17:22.640 Trump, when he was president, actually his initial instinct was to kind of go ahead with that blockade.

01:17:26.960 He was correct.

01:17:27.580 That was the correct move.

01:17:28.580 Unfortunately, his then secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, talked him down from that.

01:17:32.640 But Qatar has had it both sides.

01:17:35.020 They play both sides.

01:17:35.840 They've had this for way too long there.

01:17:37.900 We have to call them out for what it is.

01:17:40.060 I mean, they are funding Hamas every month.

01:17:41.820 They are housing leadership there.

01:17:43.280 So if Mossad does not find a way to take out Hamas leadership, which is one possible solution, probably my preferred solution.

01:17:50.060 But if they don't find a way to actually get into Doha and take out these bastards, then hopefully at a bare minimum, the U.S. can put extraordinary pressure to extradite them and face justice.

01:17:59.700 Well, I mean, we'll see about that ground invasion back in Israel because the president is said, you know, set to head there.

01:18:06.320 They were saying potentially they're holding off on the ground invasion into Gaza until after the U.S. president goes to Israel on Wednesday, tomorrow.

01:18:15.180 I don't know.

01:18:16.100 I mean, I don't understand how they get the hostages back.

01:18:18.340 They're working for diplomatic solutions.

01:18:20.260 They're working to try to convince these terrorists that holding children and old women and teenagers against their will is bad.

01:18:28.020 We'd really like them to rethink it.

01:18:29.880 So we'll see.

01:18:30.820 We'll see how they do.

01:18:31.860 If not, it's going to be boots on the ground.

01:18:34.120 I don't know how else you get them back.

01:18:36.240 Josh Hammer, thank you for all your posts, your expertise, your thoughtful.

01:18:41.240 I mean, I've been learning a lot from you, and I really, really appreciate your following you on Twitter and just your clear voice on this.

01:18:47.920 All the best to you.

01:18:49.220 You too, Megan.

01:18:50.020 Thank you so much to you as well.

01:18:52.820 Well, you heard Josh mention it.

01:18:54.100 You know, the gender insanity is also extremely important, what they're doing to our children,

01:18:58.420 what they're trying to do to our children, and there's no one better on it than Britt Mayer.

01:19:01.800 She's here next.

01:19:02.660 We'll get into it.

01:19:06.880 Now we turn to some cultural news with a mother, an activist who is immersed in fighting back against the woke ideology and the transgender radical agenda for children everywhere.

01:19:16.060 Britt Mayer is a mom, community activist, and founder of Rooted Wings.

01:19:19.980 Britt, welcome back to the show.

01:19:21.120 So there's a lot to get to today, a lot to get to.

01:19:24.680 I want to start with this.

01:19:25.820 This is just breaking.

01:19:26.660 This is a weird turn, but it's right up your alley.

01:19:31.200 Britney Spears is coming out with a book, The Woman in Me.

01:19:35.680 This poor girl.

01:19:36.560 I just feel like she's been so exploited by her family, by the people around her.

01:19:40.100 She's obviously not well mentally.

01:19:41.960 And now she's writing a book, which people make millions off of, probably not as much, Britney.

01:19:48.080 And she reveals in it, apparently, because the People magazine got their hands on it in Daily Mail reporting,

01:19:53.020 that she had an abortion when she was dating Justin Timberlake, when she found herself pregnant at just 19.

01:20:01.460 She writes,

01:20:01.900 She said the abortion was one of the most agonizing things I've ever experienced in my life.

01:20:30.640 They dated back in 1999 to 2002, and both went on to have children with other spouses later.

01:20:37.820 I don't know.

01:20:38.580 To me, like, we don't talk about things like that.

01:20:41.740 Like, I applaud her for admitting it.

01:20:43.420 It does feel like a personal detail that, you know, others would have chosen not to share.

01:20:47.460 But I applaud her for revealing it, because there are real risks to this sort of carefree,

01:20:52.440 Oh, yeah, we're going to have premarital sex, and we're going to, you know, have the celebrity lifestyle.

01:20:56.980 Well, like, and if you find yourself pregnant, and you're not yet ready to be a mother or a father,

01:21:02.600 these are your choices.

01:21:03.900 You either have to give birth to a baby you didn't really want to have and raise it,

01:21:08.120 or you potentially give it up, which also is emotionally tough.

01:21:11.920 Or you have to kill your own baby.

01:21:15.140 I mean, whether you're pro-choice or not, I can't argue that killing that life growing inside of you

01:21:20.640 is killing a baby on its way to becoming a viable baby.

01:21:25.680 Mm-hmm.

01:21:26.340 Yeah, I, I, bravo to her, you know, and I know that she's definitely, like, mentally unstable right now.

01:21:34.420 But bravo to her for coming forward and being so vulnerable in, like, just saying that this was traumatic

01:21:42.740 and not hiding behind, you know, women's rights and women's empowerment.

01:21:48.500 I, I am encouraged that she is coming forward and speaking publicly,

01:21:53.860 and I think this could be a significant point of healing for her.

01:21:57.340 You know, if this truly was a, a very traumatic experience, like she said,

01:22:02.260 then hopefully this will be the beginning of that trauma being able to heal in speaking, you know, the words.

01:22:08.760 A lot of times victims, we, you know, shove things down for so long and think that we're fine, we're fine.

01:22:15.720 But when we speak it and say, it wasn't fine, that's when healing can start to set in

01:22:22.060 because you're no longer on the defensive.

01:22:23.460 So my hope would be that this is a step toward healing for Brittany.

01:22:28.040 You're so right.

01:22:29.120 And what a change from, yeah, scream, shout your abortion.

01:22:32.500 You know, I'm proud of my abortion.

01:22:33.800 This is somebody who's been one of America's sweethearts saying,

01:22:38.040 I did this thing with one of the most famous men on the planet,

01:22:42.260 and I'm really deeply regretful about the whole experience and how painful it was for her.

01:22:48.800 I'm sure that memoir is going to be quite a bestseller.

01:22:51.600 I don't know.

01:22:52.040 It just, the way it's going for her, I very much worry she's going to wind up like Anna Nicole Smith

01:22:56.500 unless there's some sort of meaningful intervention.

01:22:59.320 You know, she's just, she just seems to be in a downward spiral.

01:23:02.580 Right, exactly.

01:23:03.020 And unlike, unlike so many of these people who find themselves in the news in this way,

01:23:07.160 what has she ever done that's like wrong?

01:23:09.260 You know, Brittany seems to have mental health problems, but she's not out there hurting anybody.

01:23:13.560 You know, you see like she ran up to that basketball player and tried to tap him on the back

01:23:17.740 and the security guard punched her in the face.

01:23:19.720 Like, I just feel like so many, she's been punched in the face in so many different ways.

01:23:24.740 And the way she's living in the Instagram posts are, are just proof of the, the hard knocks she's received.

01:23:30.760 I realize she's a celebrity, she's famous, she's got a bunch of money, she's got a lot of fans,

01:23:35.340 but it just seems like the real truth of Brittany's life has been, it's been a very difficult long haul.

01:23:40.920 Yeah.

01:23:41.060 And she's grown up in the spotlight.

01:23:42.680 You know, she was like the little Disney star and then she was America's sweetheart.

01:23:47.140 And she never had any chance, I think, to know who she was outside of being an actress, you know?

01:23:54.060 So I think that has got to be so confusing for her coming into her age now and probably realizing,

01:24:00.440 you know, she, she never knew who she was.

01:24:02.720 And she made decisions like the abortion to protect her image.

01:24:06.660 And, you know, and then everything wanted her to.

01:24:09.640 Right.

01:24:09.840 Exactly.

01:24:10.400 Yeah.

01:24:10.680 And that's something to talk about, right?

01:24:12.620 Like that, that pressure from men that I don't want it.

01:24:15.840 So you kill it.

01:24:16.600 And then you deal with the trauma, you know, that needs to be talked about.

01:24:20.060 And I'm thankful that she, that she is.

01:24:22.520 I think that this could, like I said, I think it could be a starting point for her to really

01:24:26.760 discover who she is outside of who everyone has always wanted her to be and demanded that she be.

01:24:33.580 Um, so I'm interested to see in the coming months to like the new Brittany.

01:24:38.240 Hopefully it is.

01:24:39.000 I really hope it's just a time of change for her and healing.

01:24:44.080 Last week, I don't know if you caught this, but Jennifer Billett came on the show last Friday and

01:24:47.740 talked all about the money behind the transgender industry and how, you know, we may think that

01:24:53.400 these kids are naturally migrating towards this madness on their own, but there's a ton of money.

01:24:59.540 The Pritzkers, she went down the list of who's been pushing it, trying to get it into

01:25:03.460 schools, trying to make it acceptable, trying to make it a thing.

01:25:06.400 And in the health ed or the sex ed, I mean, it was really eyeopening and disturbing.

01:25:10.840 And she talked about how it's really just sort of this erasure of women just bit by bit,

01:25:15.280 just erasing.

01:25:16.500 And it's, it's men disowning their own sex.

01:25:20.600 Right.

01:25:21.380 And I was thinking about her when I saw this, uh, Chaya Rachik, the woman behind libs of TikTok.

01:25:27.080 She's amazing.

01:25:27.600 She's been on the show.

01:25:28.520 She pointed out that men's health magazine, uh, has a piece up now in which they refer to

01:25:33.360 women as they're talking about how to like, get it on with a woman, giving advice to their

01:25:37.620 men, their male readers, how to please a woman in the bed.

01:25:40.940 They refer to women.

01:25:42.260 I'm not kidding you as vulva owners.

01:25:45.780 Oh my God.

01:25:46.740 Vulva owners.

01:25:47.240 I'll read you what I can.

01:25:48.780 Cause it's already at men's health.

01:25:51.220 We've written extensively about how to perform oral sex on a what vagina, a woman.

01:25:56.460 Is that what you're looking for on a vulva?

01:25:58.660 How to, I'm going to skip that next part.

01:26:01.060 Do X to a person with a vulva.

01:26:03.680 Don't forget that the majority of vulva owners cannot orgasm via penetration alone.

01:26:10.500 I mean, this, this is, this is men's house, a major magazine, vulva owners.

01:26:17.460 And like, this just passes Brit.

01:26:19.540 This just passes.

01:26:20.200 People don't even, okay.

01:26:21.620 Okay.

01:26:21.900 Got it.

01:26:23.500 Oh, it's so gross.

01:26:24.680 It's so gross.

01:26:25.760 I hate it so much.

01:26:27.780 It's such like, I don't know if anyone is still asleep at the wheel at this point, but this

01:26:31.620 is such a complete hostile takeover of our language.

01:26:35.480 And in that it's redefining the terms of who we as women are like that.

01:26:41.380 That's what this is.

01:26:42.540 Saul Alinsky and rules for radicals.

01:26:44.360 He said, if you control the language, you control the masses.

01:26:47.320 And we are being worked out of our identity as women.

01:26:51.360 We're not a gender.

01:26:52.520 We're not a feeling.

01:26:54.220 We're not a vulva owner.

01:26:56.520 Thank you, men's health.

01:26:58.020 You can step out of the conversation.

01:27:00.040 We're women.

01:27:00.900 That's an identity.

01:27:01.860 That's a sex.

01:27:02.760 That's who we are.

01:27:03.640 That's part of our language.

01:27:04.700 It's been fundamental, a fundamental part of our language since the inception of America

01:27:11.700 and even prior, you know, to now try to rework the language so that we're taken out of the

01:27:17.820 picture and we're just, what are we?

01:27:19.560 Then we're just flush with vulva, like vulvas that we own, like how absolutely degrading

01:27:24.700 and demeaning to twist who we are as women.

01:27:28.020 I take such offense.

01:27:29.280 And I, I wonder if they're going to walk that back because that's just vile and disgusting.

01:27:36.120 It's so, so gross.

01:27:37.580 So wrong.

01:27:38.540 They need to hear from all of us that it's a hard no on trying to change the terminology

01:27:43.740 that refers to a woman into something that reduces us to our vulvas.

01:27:48.760 It's disgusting.

01:27:50.960 More of the same, Dylan Mulvaney accepts the woman of the year award.

01:27:59.280 From some UK publication called Attitude.

01:28:02.900 Look at this.

01:28:04.640 Woman of the year award supported by Virgin Atlantic goes to Dylan Mulvaney.

01:28:13.220 Some see me as the woman of the year.

01:28:15.820 Some see me as a woman of a year and some change as I only publicly came out online 560 days ago.

01:28:23.960 And some people don't see me as a woman at all.

01:28:28.520 No matter how hard I try or what I wear or what I say or what surgeries I get, I will never reach an acceptable version of womanhood by those hateful people's standards.

01:28:40.620 But as long as I have the queer community that sees me for my truth, I'm going to be okay.

01:28:46.940 There's so much wrong with what he just said, like that end tagline with the queer community.

01:28:55.560 What about gays against groomers?

01:28:57.740 Has he run that by them, you know, to just say that they're supportive of him coming out as a woman and taking our awards?

01:29:06.440 And I want to know who is applauding in that audience, you know, are those women applauding or are those the queer community?

01:29:15.400 If he wants to say he's a woman and live in that fantasy, have at it.

01:29:23.300 If you do, you do you, Dylan, and you can stay over in the UK and Posey Parker can have at it with you.

01:29:30.360 But as soon as.

01:29:32.220 Yeah.

01:29:32.780 But as soon as you're, you're exemplifying who I am and saying that we're all supposed to participate in this make believe like that's where it crosses the line.

01:29:43.520 You he is not a woman.

01:29:44.940 He's correct in saying that he no matter how many surgeries he gets, no matter how much lipstick he puts on, no matter how many sparkly dresses he puts on, he'll never be accepted as a woman.

01:29:53.200 He should have just stopped there.

01:29:54.640 You won't.

01:29:55.240 You are not a woman.

01:29:56.900 You never will be a woman.

01:29:58.420 It's never going to happen.

01:29:59.600 Full stop.

01:30:00.320 Sorry.

01:30:01.020 Yeah.

01:30:01.400 No.

01:30:01.700 Sorry.

01:30:02.040 What a joke.

01:30:03.220 What a joke.

01:30:03.640 I know it is a joke.

01:30:04.560 And shame on Virgin Atlantic for sponsoring that event and that award.

01:30:08.480 Shame on you.

01:30:09.460 You know better.

01:30:10.100 This is some appeal to its leftist followers, I guess, or leftist flyers.

01:30:14.780 You can't find a better cause to endorse than Dylan Mulvaney as woman of the year.

01:30:19.480 Fuck off.

01:30:20.620 Yeah.

01:30:21.040 Okay.

01:30:21.820 The sports problem that Megan Rapinoe says doesn't exist, continues to exist.

01:30:27.260 Transgender cyclists taking the gold and the silver medals at a Chicago women's cycling race, the Chicago Cyclocross Cup.

01:30:36.440 It just happened where two trans cyclists, two men, took the top spots.

01:30:41.300 Tessa Johnson, 25, won first.

01:30:43.900 And Evelyn Williamson, 30, placed second.

01:30:47.380 There was only one biological female, one actual woman on the podium who won the bronze.

01:30:52.580 And so this woman had to stand up there just pretending that she wasn't the top woman, that these two guys next to her were fair competitors.

01:31:03.000 And yet another medal, two of them actually, goes to two dudes.

01:31:08.300 Ugh.

01:31:08.560 I would encourage you girls and you women to stop participating.

01:31:14.160 I know that sounds so hard.

01:31:15.420 I was a competitive athlete.

01:31:17.640 Like, I get taking a knee is a hard thing to do.

01:31:19.920 But if Colin Kaepernick can do it over his lame ideas and he can take a knee, I think that we women are going to have to, you know, we're going to have to fasten up our bootstraps on this and do the same, you know, refuse to play.

01:31:33.840 Say, I will not compete against a man.

01:31:36.220 I'm not going to do it.

01:31:37.280 And I will take whatever anger and ire there is because it's not fair.

01:31:41.660 I won't do it.

01:31:42.400 It always makes me disappointed just to see the women standing up there still holding the bronze.

01:31:50.100 It's like, no, don't.

01:31:51.020 Just don't.

01:31:51.540 Don't participate.

01:31:52.920 Make them irrelevant by saying, I won't participate in your games and your facade.

01:31:57.040 I'm not going to compete against a man in a women's tournament.

01:32:00.420 I won't do it.

01:32:01.360 I think that's what we have to really keep hammering is just take a knee and say, I won't do it.

01:32:08.280 Imagine if that woman just didn't stand on the podium.

01:32:12.400 If she just didn't go up there, like the third place finisher.

01:32:15.800 And if all the photos were of an empty platform where the biological woman should be, that would also be very powerful.

01:32:24.180 I mean, just do something for the love of God.

01:32:26.140 Otherwise, you're setting all the other girls who come behind you, our girls, you know, our daughters up to have to deal with this later.

01:32:32.580 But be strong, be brave, do something to stand up to this.

01:32:36.520 Otherwise, it's going to keep happening.

01:32:37.780 I got to ask you about it's Halloween time.

01:32:41.680 And I tried to take my kids to a haunted house the other night, but we couldn't make it because it was it was rained out.

01:32:46.000 So they canceled it.

01:32:47.020 I did not even realize there might be a threat at these haunted houses of perversion.

01:32:53.740 I was expecting just like skeletons and witches, but you've been calling attention to something called Knott's Berry Farm, which they are calling it not scary farm, I guess, like trying to get people to come for a haunted house.

01:33:07.220 What's going on?

01:33:08.080 Yeah, so Knott's Berry Farm has kind of been like that family friendly, sweetheart amusement park in California.

01:33:17.540 And they recently decided that they were going they do they host something called Knott's Scary Farm.

01:33:23.000 And some videos leaked where you have performers at this Knott's Scary Farm.

01:33:28.520 It's a big event.

01:33:29.200 They're on stage.

01:33:29.900 And as you can see, they're they're in hyper sexualized costumes, demonic.

01:33:37.820 There's like devil allegories going on.

01:33:40.520 And they're in, you know, all the sex stuff.

01:33:43.860 It they think that it's appropriate for a 13 year old to go to this.

01:33:48.360 So what I'm saying is, hey, parents, like you need to be fully aware of what's coming at your kids, as we keep saying.

01:33:54.240 But just because something is, quote, unquote, family friendly or says that anyone over 13, you know, it's it's fine for you.

01:34:02.020 Like you need to really check and see what is being promoted at these family friendly events, because clearly this is not family friendly.

01:34:09.240 It's strange.

01:34:10.620 There was a story we covered at great length back last spring.

01:34:15.120 I think I talked to you about this.

01:34:16.320 And it's about a man who's out at the University of Wyoming who decided to pledge the sorority Kappa Kappa Gamma.

01:34:24.320 And his name is Artemis Langford.

01:34:26.320 And he's a man posing as a woman.

01:34:28.420 He wants us to believe he's a woman.

01:34:30.040 I'll give you a look at Artemis.

01:34:32.160 This is thought 24.

01:34:33.220 This is what Artemis actually looks like.

01:34:34.840 Communicating with friends, putting that, you know, social network that you have from in-person to an online format would be extraordinarily beneficial.

01:34:50.780 And I wish I had developed that better.

01:34:54.520 But living in a new environment is really difficult.

01:35:00.860 So that's Artemis in 2021.

01:35:03.560 I mean, it's not ancient history.

01:35:04.720 Living as a man, University of Wyoming.

01:35:06.920 Then suddenly he's a she and starts wearing a dress and decides not only to do that, but to pledge Kappa Kappa Gamma because he really wants to feel part of a sisterhood.

01:35:17.680 It's really important to him.

01:35:19.060 So like a bunch of lunatics, Kappa Kappa Gamma, the head, you know, like sort of the group, the national chapter, says, yeah, we want him.

01:35:27.600 Our pledge to only admit girls.

01:35:29.500 We didn't really mean that.

01:35:30.720 We'll take boys, too.

01:35:31.940 And they pressure the girls.

01:35:33.300 And a lot of the girls at Kappa Kappa Gamma were like, yes, yes, we're inclusive.

01:35:36.640 Let's do it.

01:35:37.480 And started pressuring the other girls.

01:35:38.880 They wound up taking a vote in which they told the girls you cannot vote no on him unless you have a reason other than the fact that he's actually a man.

01:35:46.660 And lo and behold, he got in.

01:35:47.880 Well, then all these things started to happen to make the sisters feel uncomfortable and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:53.660 They filed a lawsuit against Kappa Kappa Gamma saying you breached your pledge to us to make this a female only space and they lost.

01:36:00.240 Now they say they may appeal.

01:36:01.520 Well, I don't know.

01:36:02.200 But there was a scathing decision against them from a judge who kept referring to Artemis as a she who refused to define the word woman for purposes of the case, which is what it all came down to.

01:36:14.080 And just completely rejected these women's claims that they were genuinely disturbed and threatened by this man prancing around their sorority.

01:36:22.900 Well, now Artemis gets the Washington Post glossy treatment in a piece by someone named William Wan.

01:36:32.280 He's got OK, this is the headline.

01:36:34.840 A trans woman joined a sorority.

01:36:36.780 Then her new sisters turned on her.

01:36:39.900 And this thing is absurd.

01:36:42.540 They talk about Artemis like he is just this beleaguered young woman with tons of problems that these other mean girls refuse to see.

01:36:52.900 And that when the story broke and the lawsuit was filed, they referred to him as him as Mr. Smith, which is the pseudonym they chosen initially before he outed his name.

01:37:06.460 As she read the allegations, Artemis, Artemis felt angry and betrayed.

01:37:13.120 OK, so Artemis was angry that the girls, the women in the sorority didn't want a man sitting there as they did their yoga, changed into their pajamas, took their shirts off in the morning and went to the shower.

01:37:28.860 He's the victim, you see, even though now he's won the lawsuit, he's the victim.

01:37:33.640 And The Washington Post is happy to play along about how hard he had it where they filed a lawsuit and they gave interviews, including right here at the Megyn Kelly show.

01:37:45.240 Hmm.

01:37:47.040 I mean, oh, oh, so much to say.

01:37:51.360 Well, first of all, we all know he's a man like I don't think there's anyone that truly believes Artemis is a woman.

01:37:57.740 And if they do, they need they need help.

01:38:00.500 He's not he's he's a dude.

01:38:02.020 He is an authentic male man, adult, grown up male.

01:38:07.440 That's what he is.

01:38:08.200 That's what he will always be.

01:38:09.400 Uh, what is interesting in all of this is it's really showcasing that it's never enough.

01:38:17.200 It's never enough for these deranged men to put on lipstick and call themselves a girl.

01:38:23.720 It's never enough for them to have a pronoun sheet.

01:38:27.680 It's never enough for that.

01:38:29.260 We can keep going.

01:38:30.040 It's never enough until they're in our sororities.

01:38:32.480 They're taking our freaking gold medals.

01:38:34.840 They're taking our crowns at homecoming.

01:38:37.240 And that's when it's enough when they fully, completely conquered womanhood.

01:38:42.240 That's when it's enough.

01:38:43.960 That's and we all need to be very awake to the whole scheme that as soon as we start saying, oh, well, we'll sympathize and we'll we'll use the she and the her like the Washington article was all all over.

01:38:58.360 As soon as we start seeding our language, that's then it's just the next step because that's not enough.

01:39:05.380 It's the next step that's required.

01:39:07.240 Until they are in our sororities and they're taking our crowns and they're taking our gold medals and our positions and our scholarships.

01:39:13.360 It's a full conquering of women by men.

01:39:16.800 The whole thing.

01:39:18.200 This guy, William, a man, offers no perspective from the other side, which is women, women, actual women who object to the loss of their spaces.

01:39:31.280 That like that's the issue.

01:39:33.320 The whole thing is framed as the women who objected to this man are bullies.

01:39:38.440 They're mean girls for not wanting to share their space with Artemis, who they point out has autism as if that's a reason to allow him to pass as a woman.

01:39:49.460 No, that's probably what led to Artemis is confusion, because there's a high percentage of kids with autism who stumble upon the gender ideology and decide, oh, that's my actual problem.

01:40:02.600 They have they tend to have obsessive thinking.

01:40:04.960 They go down these Reddit rabbit holes.

01:40:07.500 They spend hours a day online.

01:40:08.880 And before you know it, poof, I'm not other.

01:40:11.640 I'm special.

01:40:12.960 I'm cool.

01:40:14.140 I have the thing that people will celebrate, not the thing that people use in a way that can be negative.

01:40:19.740 And so, no, there's no even pause by William Wan on that.

01:40:26.240 It's just Artemis is a victim.

01:40:28.600 And there's this there's this.

01:40:30.260 OK, listen to this.

01:40:31.120 Artemis, by the way, is six to weighs two sixty.

01:40:34.500 Other accusations honed in on the social awkwardness that Artemis says was partly a symptom of her autism in the lawsuit.

01:40:43.540 This is where he the writer is now going to blame Artemis's bizarre behavior around the sorority girls on his autism.

01:40:52.920 You see, this is the girl should have known it's it's autism.

01:40:57.240 It's not that he's a man.

01:40:59.220 Heterosexual man, by the way.

01:41:02.200 Quote from the lawsuit, he has several times chosen to sit for hours on the couch in the second floor common area.

01:41:08.860 He does not study.

01:41:10.180 He does not speak to the women who live there.

01:41:12.020 Mr. Smith, because he went by Smith.

01:41:13.900 They alleged he was Smith in the lawsuit just to protect his anonymity initially.

01:41:17.560 Then everybody was outed.

01:41:19.200 Smith has, while watching members enter the sorority house, had an erection visible through his leggings.

01:41:25.940 Other times he had a pillow on his lap.

01:41:29.100 OK, you know, how is does autism cause erections?

01:41:32.760 I don't like I've never heard.

01:41:34.500 I didn't.

01:41:35.160 I never heard that that was a side effect of anything on the autism spectrum.

01:41:39.920 It's so many excuses.

01:41:41.100 It's so many continual excuses for these deranged men.

01:41:45.240 And it's giving them super rights over women.

01:41:48.480 Women have rights.

01:41:50.260 That's why we have to be so careful with our words.

01:41:53.000 And for all the listeners who still think, you know, they're just being kind to call a dude a girl.

01:41:58.560 It's not.

01:41:59.560 It's not.

01:42:00.120 You're literally tearing apart our language to give men super rights that our grandmothers worked for years and years and years to gain for us.

01:42:08.980 And we're tearing it all down.

01:42:10.980 Womanhood.

01:42:11.520 Women.

01:42:11.840 It's not it's not an idea or a gender.

01:42:14.580 Women is a sex.

01:42:15.840 We have rights as a sex.

01:42:18.100 And as soon as we see that and give it up and we start labeling men as women like this Artemis male, we're giving them super rights and losing our rights that we held as sacred and special after so many of our grandmothers worked for those.

01:42:34.080 And I just want us to be very clear on that, that it is no longer kind.

01:42:39.640 It is no longer nice to misuse our language.

01:42:43.640 Men are men and women are women.

01:42:45.440 And this guy is a man.

01:42:47.000 And if I gosh, if my daughter was in that sorority.

01:42:49.200 Oh, oh, that's that's a hard.

01:42:52.480 That's a hard.

01:42:53.440 No, like we have got to do better.

01:42:55.560 And there has to be a reckoning for what we're doing to women's rights and our daughter, like our daughters that are having to see a dude dressed in a dress having an erection in their sorority house.

01:43:08.260 What is wrong with our piece?

01:43:11.080 Gets into a separate allegation, a lawsuit about Artemis allegedly having an erection in another instance and then points out that some of the text messages between the sisters undermines that possibility in a different incident.

01:43:22.980 And doesn't even try to under undermine the incident of him sitting there with the with the pillow on his on his lap and the allegation that while sitting on the couch, he had an erection.

01:43:32.240 I mean, no, it's not journalism.

01:43:34.680 You may not appreciate this, but when we go into our sorority spaces, we don't want to see a hard penis.

01:43:40.260 OK, unless it's a consensual sex act between us and a man.

01:43:44.160 We don't want it sitting in the lap of somebody who's supposed to be a sister on the couch of Kappa Kappa Gamma.

01:43:52.980 Oh, it's so insane, Megan.

01:43:54.640 It's so insane.

01:43:55.840 And you know what?

01:43:56.480 Shame on that that journalist.

01:43:58.120 That's not journalism.

01:43:59.380 He didn't even show all the sides.

01:44:01.560 That was a propaganda piece to keep promoting this gender ideology cult.

01:44:06.440 And like you said, follow the money.

01:44:08.060 That's that's what this is.

01:44:09.260 So, yeah.

01:44:10.200 So well done.

01:44:10.760 He showed his cards.

01:44:12.340 Yeah.

01:44:12.460 Well, you know what, Artemis, you won.

01:44:14.420 You're not the victim.

01:44:15.720 You obviously have a lot of trouble and you really should seek help.

01:44:19.140 It's not going to help you at six to two thirty to put on a dress.

01:44:22.500 The problems that you're having right now were created by you.

01:44:25.800 You chose the wrong solution to the issues that you have.

01:44:28.960 I recommend you find a non gender obsessed therapist and start seeing that person for the issues that are actually underlying your issues.

01:44:36.720 And I recommend the other girls get the hell out of Kappa Kappa Gamma ASAP.

01:44:42.440 All right.

01:44:42.920 I want to move on to other issues because you live in the San Diego area and San Diego is a mess right now.

01:44:48.980 Um, something happened with respect to the border and the immigration problems in San Diego that I know you have a lot of concerns about in terms of this immigration like processing center.

01:45:01.160 What's happening?

01:45:02.920 Yeah.

01:45:03.060 So I've been following the border because I live in San Diego County.

01:45:05.860 I speak with a lot of the politicians down here and I've been following it closely because I've been seeing it as such a threat that our border has just become a welcome mat.

01:45:14.320 And, um, we, you can see it and sense it in San Diego.

01:45:18.900 Well, as of yesterday, we have a, just in the last month, we have 19,000 illegal foreigners that have been brought to or crossed over into San Diego County.

01:45:30.860 And those are only the ones that have been counted.

01:45:33.980 There are that, that number is very small compared to the actual number.

01:45:37.820 So 19,000.

01:45:38.820 So a few weeks back, San Diego County unanimously declared a humanitarian crisis at the border, which is great, right?

01:45:46.180 Well, then a week later, San Diego County said, Hey, we have $3 million sitting over from taxpayer funds for COVID funding.

01:45:56.540 And it's just sitting there.

01:45:58.280 So let's find a loophole to reallocate that $3 million that we have to blow through by December.

01:46:06.140 Let's spend it on a welcome center for illegal foreigners in the heart of San Diego County, a mile away from a school.

01:46:13.320 And they voted on it and they passed it with no, no citizen having to vote on it.

01:46:19.020 That's our money that's being reallocated now to create a welcome processing center for illegal foreigners in San Diego.

01:46:26.160 So what that does is that flags our, our governor, Gavin Newsom and the federal government that, Hey, San Diego is on it.

01:46:34.020 They have money to burn.

01:46:35.140 They have four walls and a roof and they are set up to start processing these illegal foreigners, send them down.

01:46:43.020 So we're on track now for 56,000.

01:46:46.120 I believe the number is 56, maybe 52, 52,000 or 56,000 illegal foreigners that are documented by the end of this year in San Diego County.

01:46:55.520 Like that number is going to blow up.

01:46:57.460 We have no resources.

01:46:59.500 Our, our facilities are completely full and overwhelmed in San Diego.

01:47:04.480 We don't, we don't have, we're, we're doing the street releasing here in Oceanside and San Ysidro.

01:47:10.740 We don't have the capability to welcome illegal foreigners.

01:47:15.820 And it's not even like a welcome center where they're going to have a bed and food.

01:47:20.340 We don't even, we don't have money for that.

01:47:21.820 No, it's just a welcome center.

01:47:23.980 Like, you know, you get off a cruise ship and they welcome you.

01:47:27.040 That's what they're spending our money on in San Diego.

01:47:29.800 So it's like a pina colada.

01:47:32.800 Welcome to America.

01:47:33.660 Great.

01:47:34.080 Have at it.

01:47:34.620 And honestly, it's like, we have enough problems with people coming across the Southern border

01:47:38.000 with fentanyl or who want to sell fentanyl or fentanyl laced pills and so on.

01:47:42.620 But the latest stats show that we're getting a fair amount, a disturbing amount of illegal

01:47:47.900 immigrants coming from some of these radicalized Muslim countries.

01:47:53.040 And where are they going to go?

01:47:54.800 And how is it to be a Jewish San Diegan who's now got to deal with that coming across the

01:48:00.900 border and going to school with your kid?

01:48:03.120 I mean, we just saw this video out of San Diego of them stomping all over the Israeli flag.

01:48:08.080 This is just, I think, yesterday.

01:48:09.720 Look, we cut it.

01:48:10.440 Here it is.

01:48:10.780 Oh, oh, you mean you didn't want us to see you?

01:48:38.060 Well, we do.

01:48:38.780 And you're wearing a terrorist headscarf.

01:48:40.780 Yeah, and like you said, we don't know, you know, I don't know if those people are citizens

01:48:46.580 or not.

01:48:47.260 No one knows.

01:48:48.460 But the reality is, like you said, we are importing illegal foreigners who do not care

01:48:54.440 about our constitutions or our laws.

01:48:57.420 They have no regard for that in mass into our nation.

01:49:01.320 While everything with Israel is imploding, we are bringing in foreigners from those surrounding

01:49:07.080 areas into our nation unchecked.

01:49:10.300 You know what they do, Megan, in San Diego when they, because I spoke with one of the

01:49:14.340 San Diego County supervisors just last week for a debrief on all this.

01:49:17.860 Do you know what they do when the buses show up in San Diego County?

01:49:20.900 They, they, the foreigners get off the bus and the NGOs rush in with cell phone chargers, charge

01:49:29.360 up their cell phones because they already, they have phones.

01:49:31.360 So they get their water, they get their iPhone charged, and then they get to call whoever it

01:49:36.940 is that they call.

01:49:38.080 And then that's it.

01:49:39.240 That's the last we see of them.

01:49:40.680 We have no idea who these people truly are, what their motives are, where they're actually

01:49:46.720 going.

01:49:47.320 We just know that we're going to charge up their cell phone.

01:49:49.800 They can call their uncle in Boise, Idaho.

01:49:52.460 And then, and then that's it.

01:49:55.720 While everything we're seeing right now, like you, I know you're talking to Josh, is this

01:50:00.580 like world war three?

01:50:01.400 While everything is on fire, our border is not secure.

01:50:10.140 This, this has to be intentional.

01:50:12.260 And that video you just showed, get ready for more of that.

01:50:15.640 We're bringing people in who hate America.

01:50:18.280 They're not coming here in mass because they love America.

01:50:22.100 This is a Trojan horse in migrants clothes.

01:50:25.040 And we ought to be intelligent enough to say that there is something wrong when we have 56,000

01:50:31.220 estimated to pour in to San Diego County in the coming months.

01:50:36.200 And we're welcoming them unchecked, unvetted.

01:50:41.360 This is why DeSantis said at the top of the hour, these people who are here on visas espousing

01:50:46.300 this ideology need to go.

01:50:47.840 Bye.

01:50:48.380 Go back.

01:50:49.300 You want to change America?

01:50:50.740 Find another country to change.

01:50:52.260 Go back and work on your own country.

01:50:53.420 We don't want your changes here at all.

01:50:56.000 But I mean, like we saw it in San Diego.

01:50:57.880 We saw that.

01:50:58.300 I mean, you saw that video out of Dearborn, Michigan, right?

01:51:00.340 It was just, I mean, wall to wall with these people chanting pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli,

01:51:07.700 I mean, bigoted, anti-Semitic chant from the river to the sea, which is a call to eradicate

01:51:13.640 Israel and Israelis.

01:51:14.980 That's a mass murder call.

01:51:16.400 That's what that is.

01:51:17.640 Right here in our own country, right here in Michigan.

01:51:20.700 I mean, it happened in New York.

01:51:22.580 What we saw in London with just tens of thousands on the street, not to mention Paris, where they've

01:51:27.820 opened their borders, every time we've had a Western country open its borders in the way

01:51:31.620 that's happening right now in the South of America, it's led to disaster, ruination and

01:51:37.860 despair.

01:51:38.940 And right now, we're not doing anything about it.

01:51:41.340 You know, you got like piecemeal governors trying to stop it.

01:51:44.900 But we have a president who doesn't seem to much care.

01:51:47.180 No, and we've been told for so long that if we don't, you know, if we don't support free

01:51:53.540 speech and if we don't, which is separate, right?

01:51:56.400 Yes, to free speech, 100 percent.

01:51:58.420 But if we don't applaud whatever that free speech is, then we're hateful and we're bigoted.

01:52:03.060 But we should be intelligent enough to say that there is something very wrong when you

01:52:08.860 have a terrorist organization over in Gaza that is slaughtering the Israeli people.

01:52:15.460 And then over here, the response is you have universities like Harvard putting out a sympathetic

01:52:21.600 letter and you have our streets flying the pro pro Hamas Palestinian flag next to our American

01:52:29.540 flag.

01:52:30.100 Something is very, very wrong.

01:52:32.400 And I think that that conversation needs to get louder.

01:52:34.880 That questioning of saying, what is actually going on here?

01:52:37.800 Because it's starting to look very unstable.

01:52:39.500 It's starting to look like something is really wrong.

01:52:41.680 And that this narrative that has been pumped into our colleges and universities, higher

01:52:45.640 ed, is spitting out all these young people who hate what what we have learned from Israel

01:52:51.980 as a nation.

01:52:52.620 So much of us as a nation is based on the founding principles of Israel.

01:52:57.660 Like we take so much from that.

01:52:59.760 And so now you have something very antithetical happening where you have our young people in

01:53:04.600 the streets saying that they're pro the destruction of Israel, which actually turns on us and we

01:53:11.240 have to start.

01:53:12.300 I think that conversation needs to be amplified and not we shouldn't just hide away and say,

01:53:17.980 oh, well, they get free speech, you know, the right to.

01:53:19.740 No, we can counter that and say this is insane and this is not American.

01:53:24.080 And this is going to get very bad very quickly if we don't continually condemn it as the evil

01:53:29.340 that it is.

01:53:30.080 And part of it, I think, is that we have lost our language, you know, going back to

01:53:34.980 the whole trans ideology, we've lost our ability to say a man is man and a woman is

01:53:39.540 a woman.

01:53:40.000 And we've also lost our language in being able to say words like evil.

01:53:44.900 This is objectively evil.

01:53:47.540 This is objectively wrong.

01:53:49.660 And we as Americans do not stand for that.

01:53:52.140 And we will not stand with people who are supporting what is objectively evil and objectively

01:53:57.120 wrong.

01:53:57.800 We have to find our language again.

01:54:00.820 Well said.

01:54:02.140 And if we don't, next thing you know, we're vulva owners.

01:54:06.000 Next thing you know, Dylan Mulvaney is woman of the year.

01:54:09.320 Next thing you know, you have Americans openly cheering mass murder and terror against babies.

01:54:16.120 Americans cheering that it's it's a dark, dark slope.

01:54:20.900 Yeah.

01:54:21.100 So good to see you.

01:54:22.260 Thank you for coming on.

01:54:23.620 Thank you, Megan.

01:54:24.600 Always a pleasure.

01:54:25.200 And thanks to all of you for joining us today, all this week.

01:54:29.680 This is a heavy time.

01:54:30.660 It's important to bring you the truth and let you decide for yourselves.

01:54:33.800 Want to tell you that tomorrow we have Dennis Prager and Buck Sexton here.

01:54:37.480 Very much looking forward to speaking to those two important perspectives.

01:54:41.320 And we hope you'll share in that with us.

01:54:43.960 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 17, 2023

True Scope of Atrocities in Israel, and Erasure of Women, with Gov. Ron DeSantis, Josh Hammer, and Britt Mayer ｜ Ep. 649

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