The Megyn Kelly Show - July 23, 2025


Trump Calls for DOJ to Investigate Obama, Epstein Files Showdown, Ozzy Osbourne Dies： AM Update 7⧸23


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19 minutes

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3,284

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211

Misogynist Sentences

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Summary

Trump calls for the DOJ to investigate President Obama and other high ranking officials over recently declassified documents relating to Russian interference in the 2016 election. House Speaker Mike Johnson battles with members of Congress attempting to force a vote, compelling the Justice Department to release all the Jeffrey Epstein files. The House Oversight Committee votes to subpoena Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell as the DOJ moves to interview her. All that and more coming up in a moment on Your AM Update with Meghan Kelly ( )!


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00:00:33.160 Good morning, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.
00:00:35.560 It's Wednesday, July 23rd, 2025, and this is your AM Update.
00:00:40.340 Barack Hussein Obama, look, he's guilty. It's not a question.
00:00:43.820 This was treason. This was every word you can think of.
00:00:47.660 They tried to steal the election.
00:00:49.600 President Trump calling for the DOJ to investigate President Obama
00:00:53.080 and other high-ranking officials over recently declassified documents
00:00:57.080 relating to Russian interference in the 2016 election.
00:01:01.000 It would be a very dangerous thing to put those people's names out
00:01:04.940 or to do a release of information in a way that is haphazard.
00:01:08.680 House Speaker Mike Johnson battles with members of Congress
00:01:11.120 attempting to force a vote, compelling the DOJ to release all the Jeffrey Epstein files.
00:01:16.480 The House Oversight Committee votes to subpoena Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell
00:01:20.340 as the DOJ moves to interview her.
00:01:23.140 All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM Update.
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00:02:40.600 President Trump on Tuesday hosting the President of the Philippines for a working meeting on trade
00:02:48.740 and military cooperation, ultimately sealing a new trade deal.
00:02:52.980 Prior to the meeting, Mr. Trump taking questions in the Oval, covering a wide range of subjects.
00:02:57.500 The President weighing in on a recent report from Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard
00:03:02.600 relating to Russian interference in the 2016 election.
00:03:06.040 Director Gabbard portraying the newly declassified set of documents as a plot
00:03:10.620 within the highest levels of the U.S. government to manufacture and politicize intelligence
00:03:15.700 in an effort to sabotage the incoming Trump administration,
00:03:19.800 referring the information to the DOJ for further investigation.
00:03:24.080 One reporter asking Mr. Trump who he believes the DOJ should target in its inquiry,
00:03:28.560 the President naming several high-ranking officials, including former President Obama.
00:03:33.880 Based on what I read, and I read pretty much what you read, it would be President Obama.
00:03:39.540 He started it.
00:03:40.900 And Biden was there with him.
00:03:42.560 And Comey was there.
00:03:44.520 And Clapper, the whole group was there.
00:03:47.200 Brennan, they were all there in a room.
00:03:49.840 Right here, this was the room.
00:03:51.400 But you know what?
00:03:52.300 If you look at those papers, they have them stone cold.
00:03:56.140 And it was President Obama.
00:03:58.060 Look, he's guilty.
00:03:59.080 It's not a question.
00:04:00.120 This was treason.
00:04:01.020 This was every word you can think of.
00:04:04.260 They tried to steal the election.
00:04:06.220 They tried to obfuscate the election.
00:04:08.920 And from what Tulsi told me, she's got thousands of additional documents coming.
00:04:14.480 So President Obama, it was his concept, his idea.
00:04:19.240 But he also got it from Crooked Hillary Clinton.
00:04:22.340 Crooked is a $3 bill.
00:04:23.900 Hillary Clinton and her group, the Democrats, spent $12 million to Christopher Steele to write
00:04:31.560 up a report that was a total fake report.
00:04:33.800 The documents released by DNI Gabbard on Friday show that intel officials who had been prepared
00:04:39.780 to hand President Obama a report in December 2016 that downplayed Russia's involvement in
00:04:45.780 the presidential election, then reversed themselves, instead submitting a report that played up
00:04:51.340 Russia's interference and did so at the request of President Obama.
00:04:56.460 The documents show that the intelligence community was prepared to report to the president
00:05:00.080 that Russia did not use cyber attacks on election infrastructure, a conclusion that dovetailed
00:05:05.800 with the conclusions of individual intel officials reflected in the documents that Russia's attempted
00:05:11.940 influence operations fit a rather unremarkable, quote, historical pattern of less-sophisticated
00:05:18.380 propaganda.
00:05:19.700 However, James Comey's FBI objected to the planned presidential daily brief, and a meeting
00:05:25.620 was convened among Obama's national security officials.
00:05:29.780 And then those intel agencies did a 180, instead now determined to craft a new report on Russian
00:05:36.880 election meddling, quote, per the president's request.
00:05:40.660 Making it clear for the first time that the change in intel conclusions on what Russia actually
00:05:46.300 did in our election came at the direction of the sitting president.
00:05:50.800 The new conclusion had to be justified and put in writing, and those involved appeared to
00:05:54.760 settle on using the now totally discredited Steele dossier, which they knew at the time
00:05:59.740 was unreliable.
00:06:01.520 No sooner had the president requested a new assessment going in a new direction than the
00:06:06.360 leaks started hitting the Washington Post and New York Times, quote, Russian hackers acted
00:06:11.820 to aid Trump in election, U.S. says.
00:06:14.840 Here's Matt Taibbi on The Megyn Kelly Show Tuesday.
00:06:17.160 You can see on December 9th, there is an order from the director of national intelligence office
00:06:24.320 basically giving out directions on how to put together a new intelligence community assessment
00:06:32.000 per the president's request, but as they're giving out the assignment, the homework is already published
00:06:40.060 in the New York Times and the Washington Post.
00:06:43.260 In other words, they hadn't even started work yet or group work on this assessment,
00:06:48.160 and they were already telling everybody in the media what the conclusion was.
00:06:52.960 So the entire work period of this had to be a sham.
00:06:58.060 Essentially, they pre-concluded what was going to be in the assessment and started leaking in advance.
00:07:04.260 A CIA report made public earlier this month revealing, quote,
00:07:07.940 several aspects of tradecraft rigor were compromised as the intel community worked to deliver the
00:07:13.900 assessment Mr. Obama had, quote, requested.
00:07:17.380 President Obama's office responding to the allegations in a statement Tuesday, quote,
00:07:22.280 Our office does not normally dignify the constant nonsense and misinformation flowing out of this
00:07:27.740 White House with a response, but these claims are outrageous enough to merit one.
00:07:31.840 These bizarre allegations are ridiculous and a weak attempt at distraction.
00:07:36.400 Nothing in the document issued last week undercuts the widely accepted conclusion
00:07:40.100 that Russia worked to influence the 2016 presidential election but did not successfully manipulate any votes.
00:07:47.080 Director Gabbert Tuesday evening on Fox News calling this statement
00:07:50.220 The Art of Deflection, saying, quote,
00:07:53.200 Led by President Obama, there was an effort to create a document that would serve as a foundation
00:07:58.340 for what would be a years-long coup against President Trump.
00:08:03.100 Mr. Trump also responding at the event on Tuesday to a question about his would-be assassin,
00:08:08.780 Thomas Crooks, who was killed in Butler, Pennsylvania after firing multiple shots into a rally,
00:08:14.340 killing one attendee and striking then-candidate Trump's ear with a bullet.
00:08:18.000 Little information about the shooter has been made available since that day.
00:08:21.980 We know more about two people at a Coldplay concert just hours after that viral video
00:08:27.860 than we know of Thomas Crooks one year after attempting to assassinate you.
00:08:32.900 What is holding back the investigation on Thomas Crooks?
00:08:36.040 Well, they've reported to me and they've told me things and they really say they haven't found anything that was abnormal.
00:08:43.520 And I think they've learned.
00:08:44.520 And, you know, they went into him very, you know, in great detail.
00:08:47.960 They gave me the whole thing.
00:08:49.860 And what can I do?
00:08:51.740 They say that it was just a nut job that was looking to do this.
00:08:56.620 And I spoke with the FBI, the new FBI.
00:09:00.640 I spoke to the FBI.
00:09:01.620 It was the old FBI.
00:09:03.040 I wouldn't have believed a thing they said because the old FBI under Colmey was crooked as hell.
00:09:07.840 President Trump also providing an update on the off-duty Customs and Border Protection officer
00:09:12.440 who was shot in the arm and face in New York City, allegedly by an illegal immigrant with a long rap sheet.
00:09:19.180 We had a man shot yesterday, a police officer who's a great gentleman, shot right here in the throat,
00:09:26.080 probably won't be able to speak again, but he was brave and he shot the other guy.
00:09:30.440 And they ended up getting him.
00:09:31.800 And you saw the scene where his friend took him to a hospital and dumped him down on the sidewalk.
00:09:36.220 The whole thing was the whole thing was crazy.
00:09:39.120 But why would anybody do to our country what these Democrats have done?
00:09:44.180 And honestly, we can never forget it.
00:09:47.000 We can never forget it.
00:09:48.140 What they have done, the damage that they've done to America is very, very sad.
00:09:53.160 President Trump making news by hinting at a possible legislative priority of his to unleash the housing market as well.
00:10:00.460 We've got no tax on tax, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security.
00:10:04.120 How important is that we have no tax on home sales, capital gains to unleash the housing market?
00:10:10.600 Well, we're thinking about that, but would also unleash it just by lowering the interest rates.
00:10:15.340 If the Fed would lower the rates, we wouldn't even have to do that.
00:10:17.720 But we are thinking about no tax on capital gains on houses.
00:10:22.020 I'm very impressed that you asked that question because nobody knew that.
00:10:24.940 How did you find that out?
00:10:26.180 It's a leaker.
00:10:27.280 It's a leaker.
00:10:28.520 Congress must pass either a new budget or a continuing resolution by the fall in order to avoid a government shutdown.
00:10:34.900 Coming up, Speaker Johnson calls a slightly earlier recess aiming to maintain control over congressional action on the Epstein case as one committee moves to subpoena Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell.
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00:11:35.700 The House of Representatives set to begin summer recess this afternoon, a day early, in an apparent effort by Speaker Johnson to avoid holding votes to release files in the Jeffrey Epstein case.
00:11:46.040 This, as new attempts to hear from Ghislaine Maxwell, his associate, move forward in both Congress and the Justice Department.
00:11:53.920 Throughout the past week, the House agenda largely grinding to a halt as various factions demand action on releasing the Epstein files.
00:12:01.600 Republicans on the House Rules Committee opposing the advancement of any legislation to the floor as Democrats attempt to add amendments to new legislation that would compel the DOJ to release all Epstein-related information.
00:12:14.860 Democrats, Democrats who did nothing to push for more transparency when they were in power, now using the Epstein case as a political hammer to attack Republicans.
00:12:25.080 Some House members pushing a non-binding resolution, a symbolic call for the DOJ to release more information, but without any legal teeth behind it.
00:12:34.020 Speaker Johnson also blocking that move, explaining his position to reporters on Monday.
00:12:38.360 My belief is we need the administration to have the space to do what it is doing, and if further congressional action is necessary or appropriate, then we'll look at that.
00:12:46.960 But I don't think we're at that point right now because we agree with the president.
00:12:50.580 Republican Congressman from Kentucky, Thomas Massey, a regular thorn in President Trump's side, working with California Democrat Roe Khanna to generate support for a discharge petition,
00:13:00.160 a procedural maneuver which would bypass House leadership, forcing a vote legally compelling the DOJ to release all unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials in its possession relating to the Epstein and Maxwell investigations.
00:13:16.420 The bill would have to be passed by the Senate and signed by the president in order to take effect.
00:13:22.420 To pull off such a move, Representatives Massey and Khanna need 218 signatures, which they claim they have, but they haven't had 218 people actually sign their names yet.
00:13:33.920 Congressman Massey telling C-SPAN on Tuesday every Democrat is on board and Republican support for his petition is picking up.
00:13:40.700 I don't think this issue is going away over August.
00:13:43.460 I think that was the admonition of our speaker in there was to sort of stick your head in the sand, let the administration maybe dissipate this by dribbling some stuff out.
00:13:55.000 I mean, I'm heavily paraphrasing.
00:13:57.240 I mean, people have wanted these files for years.
00:13:59.920 And then, you know, the president's staff, administration, his own children, his vice president have promised that these files would come out.
00:14:07.840 And now we're being told it's a hoax.
00:14:09.540 It just doesn't wash, and whether it's Republican, Democrat, or Independent, across all those categories, it's only like five or six percent who don't want the files out.
00:14:20.660 Speaker Johnson adamantly opposing a vote on the bill, citing concerns about the accidental release of information relating to Epstein's victims, which the DOJ says number more than a thousand.
00:14:31.220 Speaker Johnson on Tuesday.
00:14:32.540 It would be a very dangerous thing to put those people's names out or to do a release of information in a way that is haphazard, where they could be easily unmasked.
00:14:43.160 And so you have to be very careful about how you do that.
00:14:45.260 I think we have a moral responsibility to do that.
00:14:47.260 We have a moral responsibility to expose the evil of Epstein, and everybody was involved in that.
00:14:52.500 Absolutely.
00:14:53.840 And we're resolved to do it.
00:14:54.860 But we also have an equal moral responsibility to protect the innocent.
00:14:57.940 And that is a fine needle to thread.
00:15:01.400 And we could all give ourselves easy political cover and come out and do something in a haphazard fashion, but I would not be able to sleep at night because I know our legal responsibility.
00:15:11.080 Speaker Johnson going on to question Congressman Massey's motives.
00:15:14.800 I don't understand Thomas Massey's motivation.
00:15:17.400 I really don't.
00:15:17.860 I don't know how his mind works.
00:15:18.880 I don't know what he's thinking.
00:15:20.680 Thomas Massey could have brought his discharge petition any time over the last four and a half years.
00:15:24.900 Over the last four years of Biden administration, he could have done that at any time.
00:15:27.940 And now he's clamoring as if there's some sort of timeline on it.
00:15:30.740 It's interesting to me that he chose the election of President Trump to bring this, to team up with the Democrats and bring this discharge petition.
00:15:38.860 So do I have some concern about that?
00:15:40.140 I do.
00:15:40.920 But, you know, me and my way, I try to follow Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment, never speak evil of another Republican.
00:15:46.540 My gosh, it's hard to do sometimes around here.
00:15:49.140 I also try to follow the scripture, you know.
00:15:51.020 It says, bless those who persecute you.
00:15:52.840 So let me just say about Thomas Massey, could you just accept my Southern, bless his heart, okay?
00:15:57.940 I don't know what else to say about it.
00:16:00.100 The House is scheduled to resume September 2nd.
00:16:03.020 Meanwhile, elsewhere in the House on Tuesday, the Oversight Committee voting to subpoena Epstein
00:16:07.000 associate Ghislaine Maxwell, currently serving a 20-year prison sentence after being convicted
00:16:11.460 of sex trafficking charges for her role in procuring underage girls for Epstein's sexual abuse.
00:16:17.580 The Daily Mail reporting last week, Maxwell is willing to speak in front of Congress.
00:16:21.200 On Tuesday, the Oversight Committee unanimously agreeing by a voice vote to subpoena Maxwell.
00:16:27.260 A committee spokesperson telling us here at AM Update that Chairman James Comer will work
00:16:32.540 as expeditiously as possible to issue the subpoena.
00:16:35.880 Maxwell is currently serving her sentence in Florida.
00:16:38.080 The Oversight Committee will work with the DOJ and Bureau of Prisons to schedule the deposition.
00:16:42.220 Also on Tuesday, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche announcing the DOJ is in talks with
00:16:47.120 Maxwell's counsel, seeking to speak with her regarding any further information she's willing
00:16:51.540 to share about other potential Epstein associates.
00:16:54.800 In a statement, Deputy A.G.
00:16:56.200 Blanche writing, quote,
00:16:57.140 Deputy A.G.
00:17:09.320 Blanche also declaring, quote,
00:17:10.880 The joint statement by the DOJ and FBI of July 6th remains as accurate today as it was
00:17:17.020 when it was written, namely that in the recent thorough review of the files maintained by
00:17:21.520 the FBI in the Epstein case, no evidence was uncovered that could predicate an investigation
00:17:26.240 against uncharged third parties.
00:17:31.460 Ozzy Osbourne, iconic heavy metal singer and Black Sabbath frontman, dead at age 76.
00:17:37.900 Osbourne's family on Tuesday releasing this statement, quote,
00:17:40.480 It is with more sadness than mere words can convey that we have to report that our beloved
00:17:46.480 Ozzy Osbourne has passed away this morning.
00:17:49.020 He was with his family and surrounded by love.
00:17:51.960 We ask everyone to respect our family privacy at this time.
00:17:54.880 News of Osbourne's death coming just two and a half weeks after Black Sabbath United for
00:17:59.700 a farewell show.
00:18:01.340 Osbourne, whose Parkinson's diagnosis was revealed in 2023, delivering his final performance from
00:18:07.420 a leather throne as he could no longer stand.
00:18:10.940 Born John Michael Osbourne, December 3rd, 1948, in Birmingham, England, Osbourne dropped out of
00:18:17.080 school at age 15, later joining a band that would go on to be the pioneering, though controversial,
00:18:22.260 heavy metal band, Black Sabbath, debuting their first album in 1970.
00:18:27.920 Osbourne's prolific drug and alcohol use leading to his firing from Black Sabbath in 1979.
00:18:33.720 In 1980, Osbourne launching his solo career with the release of Blizzard of Oz, featuring the hit
00:18:39.840 Crazy Train, going on to release 13 platinum albums.
00:18:43.840 In 2002, along with wife Sharon, the Osbourne family pioneering another cultural phenomenon,
00:18:50.580 celebrity reality television, opening their home to MTV cameras, showing off a softer side of the
00:18:56.740 Prince of Darkness in the show The Osbournes.
00:19:00.100 Osbourne is survived by his wife, six children, and several grandchildren.
00:19:04.020 And that'll do it for your AM update.
00:19:08.200 I'm Megan Kelly.
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