The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Crushes Expectations, And Projected to Win The Election - Megyn Kelly's Election Night Special ｜ Ep. 936

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show's election night special, live.

00:00:17.520 We're live right now on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111, as well as on YouTube.

00:00:22.180 You can check us out there if you'd like at youtube.com slash megynkelly.

00:00:25.720 We've got a show packed with some of the best political analysts in the country.

00:00:29.160 Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Halperin, Vivek Ramaswamy, the EJs, Dave Rubin, Michael Knowles, Steve Bannon,

00:00:35.340 the ever-popular Maureen Callahan from the Daily Mail, and so many more.

00:00:39.880 And two of our favorites are joining us in one minute.

00:00:42.680 The numbers are coming in fast and furiously right now.

00:00:45.160 It's 8 p.m. in the east, and polls just closed in Pennsylvania and almost all of Michigan.

00:00:52.340 So we await those polls.

00:00:53.800 A couple of the polls in Pennsylvania are being kept open to resolve a couple of the voting problems that they've had there.

00:00:59.160 Meantime, polls closed a short time ago in Georgia and in North Carolina.

00:01:04.200 So there we go.

00:01:04.880 Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, three of the critical seven swing states, are now just about entirely closed.

00:01:11.940 In Georgia, with just 31% of the vote in, Trump is plus 13 over Vice President Harris.

00:01:17.220 If we're giving you these numbers, they're totally meaningless.

00:01:20.180 Totally meaningless.

00:01:21.780 Because who cares?

00:01:24.580 It's like, well, a lot more percentage of the vote is about to come in, and these numbers could totally change.

00:01:28.500 Unless it's like 80% of the vote, these are next to nothing burgers.

00:01:33.000 But we'll tell you, because it's what we all do on election night.

00:01:35.840 In North Carolina, with 4% of the vote in, meaningless number coming, Vice President Harris is in the lead, plus 21.

00:01:42.800 Meantime, the exit polls show the top issue for voters include the following.

00:01:48.760 Mood in the country, not great.

00:01:50.580 72% say they are dissatisfied or angry, though many have hope for the future.

00:01:56.780 Voters do not have a positive view of either candidate.

00:02:00.380 The top issues among the voters today, democracy and the economy.

00:02:04.740 On an earlier exit poll, democracy was up top, and then it got bounced down to, I think, number two with the economy ruling.

00:02:14.020 But I will tell you, just based on the past, you know, many elections of covering this, wait another hour, and they will shift again.

00:02:21.060 We try to spend the beginning of the night saying, oh, it's bad for Trump that democracy is so high.

00:02:26.000 And then two hours later, democracy is number eight, because the exit polls keep updating with new data and greater input, and, you know, more of the voters telling these pollsters what was their number one issue.

00:02:37.760 So it's just, you're going to have to bear with us, because really, nobody knows nothing about nothing.

00:02:42.700 So welcome to our coverage.

00:02:44.260 Rich Lowry's here.

00:02:45.200 He's editor-in-chief of National Review.

00:02:47.300 Charles C.W. Cook here as well, senior writer for National Review and host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast.

00:02:53.740 They are live with me here in the Red Studio.

00:02:55.660 Hi, guys.

00:02:56.360 So good to be here.

00:02:57.320 So good to have you in person.

00:02:59.140 That's not the bar, Charlie.

00:03:00.800 I didn't have a beer ready for you.

00:03:02.520 I'm sure I'll get hold of one.

00:03:03.960 I think I can manage it as the night goes on.

00:03:06.180 Exactly.

00:03:07.280 So that's really the thing to keep in mind is nobody knows nothing about nothing.

00:03:10.620 I mean, that's the truth at this hour of the evening, but we're all dying for data, so we kick things around.

00:03:17.100 Have you seen anything that jumps out at you?

00:03:19.600 No, not yet.

00:03:21.100 It's just way too early.

00:03:22.340 And I always find this is the worst day of the election campaign season, right?

00:03:27.660 Because you're following everything so closely, and then you're suspended animation, which goes on even after the polls closed for a little bit until we get real data.

00:03:35.100 But, you know, a big debate is what's changed, right?

00:03:38.500 Is change actually departing from Biden policies the way Trump is arguing and going back to what he argues is a more successful model?

00:03:46.520 Or is change just not being Trump or Biden, as Harris argues?

00:03:50.480 Are the dominant issues sort of the affluent white issues, democracy and abortion?

00:03:54.220 Or are they more bread and butter issues with more working class appeals?

00:03:57.920 There are just a number of these kind of key thematic sort of things we'll be looking at all night.

00:04:01.940 What I see so far and what I've heard from the context that I have closer to Team Trump is it's neck and neck.

00:04:08.520 You know, that they feel very confident.

00:04:10.120 That's what Kamala Harris says, too.

00:04:11.220 But that it's just as tight as can be, just like all the polls leading up to today told us.

00:04:16.400 I know you're not a fan of these polls, and I agreed with what you said on the editors entirely.

00:04:20.320 But it seems like so far it's just as tight as we were told, and it's going to be a long night.

00:04:26.540 Yeah, it's also confusing because the first state that comes in fast is Florida, and Florida just seems to be different than the rest of the country now.

00:04:33.000 I mean, there's a blowout in Florida, it seems.

00:04:35.340 Rick Scott seems to have won.

00:04:37.160 Trump's ahead by 10 points.

00:04:39.060 Miami-Dade County went, you know.

00:04:41.220 It's not nothing, though.

00:04:42.300 I mean, there was a couple polls out there that showed it tight for Rick Scott, I mean, earlier.

00:04:46.420 But the reason I mention that is that in 2020, when Florida went to Trump, people said, oh, maybe he's going to win again.

00:04:51.400 He didn't.

00:04:51.840 And then in 2022, when the Republicans won every race in Florida by 15 or 19 points, then people said maybe it's a red wave, and it wasn't.

00:04:59.840 So it's sort of difficult to know just because Florida is the only one we've really seen called.

00:05:04.780 I mean, Georgia's more interesting.

00:05:05.900 So something that could be really different this year than what we've seen in 16 and 20,

00:05:10.160 is there had been that electoral college tilt towards Trump where he could afford to lose by two, three, four points and either win or be really close.

00:05:17.600 Because this year, if the polls are accurate, and that's a big if, we'll know more soon, the national polls have been tied and the swing state polls have been tied, suggesting maybe there isn't that electoral college tilt.

00:05:28.120 And maybe Harris could slightly lose the popular vote or be tied and still barely get over the top in those blue wall states.

00:05:35.340 And if she wins and does that, ironically, it'll be strength among whites, right? 0.86

00:05:39.560 And Trump will be picking up among Latinos and blacks and winning the southern tier of swing states, but then potentially losing the election if she holds Biden's numbers among whites.

00:05:50.740 Right. If she can keep those blue wall states, it's tough for him.

00:05:53.600 Although there's, you know, some rumblings in Team Trump about keep an eye on New Hampshire.

00:05:59.260 Well, that would be a sign.

00:06:00.540 I mean, that would be pretty remarkable.

00:06:02.740 He did go there, but it's been very little attention on New Hampshire, which is just assumed to be not in the camp for him.

00:06:08.460 And yet, you know, you could see how it might live free or die.

00:06:12.120 That's your motto.

00:06:13.380 True.

00:06:13.580 True. Well, the first three or four counties I saw out of New Hampshire actually looked surprisingly good for Trump.

00:06:18.240 So that might be something to watch.

00:06:19.620 Well, if you put together New Hampshire with Nevada and the rest of the Sun Belt, there's possibly a path for Trump.

00:06:25.940 But yeah, he'd much rather do it with Pennsylvania or Wisconsin or Michigan.

00:06:30.740 And it seems like, I mean, Halpern tonight is reporting and he'll be here in just a bit.

00:06:35.380 And I like Halpern, but I do sometimes wonder whether he's whispering some sweet nothings out there to Republicans.

00:06:40.200 He would deny this, but he reported the following quote.

00:06:44.660 My reporting continues to be that Wisconsin is looking very bad for the Democrats and that Milwaukee turnout is not what it needs to be for her to win the state.

00:06:54.840 I reported a few days ago that Republicans were feeling very good and Democrats feeling very bad about Wisconsin.

00:07:01.040 So even though there's this whole notion that it's all about Pennsylvania, maybe Wisconsin is the weak link for her.

00:07:08.660 I mean, that would get it done.

00:07:09.700 We've been focused so much on Pennsylvania, which doesn't seem to be moving past the tide point.

00:07:15.040 But Wisconsin could be sure to get it done just as easily. 0.99

00:07:17.840 She's just got to take one from wins wins the Sun Sun Belt. 1.00

00:07:20.640 He still needs some blue wall state.

00:07:22.540 And at that point, any of them would be fine.

00:07:24.940 Right.

00:07:25.160 It was constantly a little smaller than than Pennsylvania or Michigan, but it would still get the job done.

00:07:29.040 And who knows all these kind of rumors.

00:07:30.800 And I've really respected Mark's work this entire cycle.

00:07:33.420 I've been great.

00:07:34.260 He's been independent minded.

00:07:35.560 But all these kind of it's not his reporting.

00:07:38.120 It's where he's getting it from.

00:07:39.520 You know, it's like the old line about your advertising budget.

00:07:41.940 I know you're wasting half of it.

00:07:43.000 I just don't know what half.

00:07:44.180 So I think all this stuff, half of it's true.

00:07:46.380 But I don't know which half.

00:07:47.620 Yeah.

00:07:47.880 I have to say, it's shocking to me that half the country is apparently pulling the lever for her tonight.

00:07:56.440 I realize Trump's controversial.

00:07:58.160 You know this.

00:07:59.000 You're not a Trump fan.

00:08:01.580 But as you know, she's an idiot. 1.00

00:08:04.340 Honestly, Charlie, I don't I don't I don't get it.

00:08:06.880 She is an idiot.

00:08:07.660 She is an idiot.

00:08:08.620 But a lot of politics is still about issues, which is good.

00:08:12.120 And there are issues where the Democrats have an advantage.

00:08:14.660 Abortion is one of them. 0.75

00:08:15.600 It's really difficult to get past that if you're a single issue abortion voter, which I'm not.

00:08:20.140 I'm pro-life.

00:08:20.800 Yeah.

00:08:21.320 But then you're going to vote Democratic.

00:08:23.820 And if you're in a union and you think that that's your ticket, then you're going to vote Democratic.

00:08:28.700 So once you start adding that in, what I find more annoying is the pretence that she's not an idiot, as you say.

00:08:34.860 You know, if you just want to vote for her because you agree with her, fine.

00:08:36.980 But let's not pretend we're not dealing with someone here who is substandard.

00:08:40.560 Yeah, it'll be just like Biden, right?

00:08:41.900 If she loses, just the way after Biden stumbled in that debate, then then the scales will fall from everyone's eyes and they'll be honest about what she is and the way they aren't now.

00:08:50.980 And if she wins, they won't be honest for another four years or maybe ever.

00:08:54.260 Right.

00:08:54.540 But if she loses, everyone will admit she is a nullity.

00:08:57.420 She wasn't up for this.

00:08:58.620 She blew it. 0.99

00:08:59.260 She wasn't any good in the first place.

00:09:00.600 You saw later in the day, before these polls closed, increasingly alarmed messages from Charlie Kirk, from Elon Musk.

00:09:10.240 Now, these are two of the main people responsible for Trump's get out the vote effort saying, get to the polls, get to the polls.

00:09:19.120 They don't share exactly why they needed people to get to the polls.

00:09:23.060 And then Charlie sent out an update saying, OK, the polls were looking better now.

00:09:28.240 Men have gotten out of work and are now going past 5 p.m.

00:09:32.500 But clearly they saw something on their returns that they didn't much like.

00:09:37.800 And that's alarming, too.

00:09:39.680 I mean, the Trump get out the vote effort is the make or break piece of this entire campaign.

00:09:44.520 I mean, he's got those two.

00:09:45.920 He's got a young woman, I think, who's running herd on a lot of it, who's supposed to be very talented.

00:09:51.200 Think of me, I can't remember her name right now.

00:09:53.440 But these guys seem to have been saying late in the day they weren't too keen on their numbers.

00:09:58.620 So that's a little scary.

00:10:00.380 Yeah.

00:10:00.620 But they're never going to say, right, it's fine.

00:10:02.660 Stay at home.

00:10:03.540 We'll sit on it.

00:10:04.840 So you never know.

00:10:05.760 But this is I always thought this is kind of a risk for Trump in this race.

00:10:10.260 Right.

00:10:10.600 Because you have to rely on one group to get out.

00:10:12.920 It would be women, especially suburban women. 1.00

00:10:15.660 Plus, they're just naturally a little bit more of the electorate, 52 percent, than the guys.

00:10:20.040 So you've got to be nervous about the guys showing up.

00:10:22.580 And you've got to be nervous whether you're going to get a little bit more of guys to make up for the fact that women are more of the electorate. 0.99

00:10:29.000 But maybe we'll know more.

00:10:30.060 Maybe they've done it.

00:10:31.820 If they have, Elon, RFK Jr., kind of these unorthodox voices, I think, will have played a big role in reaching these disaffected males and getting them out.

00:10:41.680 Yeah.

00:10:42.420 And that's been a choice, right?

00:10:43.860 That's been a choice Republicans have made, partly because Trump took over the party, partly because there were shifts that led to Trump taking over the party, that they wanted to shed some of their most reliable voters, middle class white people in the suburbs who show up for every election.

00:10:59.360 They voted Republican from 1968 onwards.

00:11:01.700 And they said, no, we want different voters.

00:11:03.540 Now, maybe that will work out.

00:11:04.760 Maybe it'll work out tonight.

00:11:05.680 Maybe it'll work out in the long run.

00:11:07.180 But when you do that, you have to bring out people who are less likely to vote, less interested in politics, less reliable.

00:11:12.620 And that's the challenge that Trump had last time.

00:11:15.120 Last time he didn't do it, he did in 2016.

00:11:17.920 And that's the question.

00:11:18.860 Is this election closer to 16 or is it closer to 20?

00:11:23.220 Trump's only done more controversial things since the 2020 vote.

00:11:27.720 But, you know, he's run a disciplined campaign in the beginning when he launched it.

00:11:32.020 Remember the long, long speech at Mar-a-Lago.

00:11:34.040 I remember saying I fell asleep, which I did.

00:11:37.000 And it was kind of boring.

00:11:38.480 But then he got out on the campaign trail a little.

00:11:41.480 You know, he started to leave Mar-a-Lago here and there.

00:11:43.700 And it was all grievance.

00:11:45.660 It was all I didn't lose.

00:11:48.080 Worst elections.

00:11:49.400 The machines suck.

00:11:50.700 And people were bored and they were turned off and it was not a good message.

00:11:53.680 And then I think Susie Wiles, who's been running his campaign with Chris Lasavita, they came in and were like, you're going to lose if you continue with that.

00:12:02.060 And he stopped.

00:12:03.480 He did show discipline and started talking about the people instead of himself.

00:12:09.500 It creeps up here or there.

00:12:11.580 Last night at the rally in Pittsburgh, he did a long bit on how Elon told him any machine with any computer can be hacked.

00:12:18.000 Right.

00:12:18.340 You know, and how it's like very dangerous.

00:12:20.160 And maybe that's true.

00:12:20.880 But why is he talking about that instead of, you know, the guys in the hard hats and their financial issues?

00:12:26.340 But anyway, my point is, overall, I think we've seen a more disciplined Trump this time around.

00:12:30.800 The question is whether it was disciplined enough to make 2020 J6 Trump fade from the suburban mom's mind.

00:12:41.960 You know, the older voters who Ann Seltzer in Iowa is telling us are still mad at him and also are pro-choice.

00:12:49.660 Like, that's one of the big things we're waiting on, whether he was able to erase that.

00:12:53.080 I still think that's top of mind for a lot of voters and a lot of suburban voters.

00:12:57.640 And it's one reason this election is so close.

00:13:00.120 And he's been relatively disciplined at times.

00:13:01.760 But you always have to underline the relative.

00:13:03.800 For Trump.

00:13:04.460 Yeah, for Trump.

00:13:05.280 But it's clearly been his best run campaign ever.

00:13:08.580 And there have been phases.

00:13:09.800 It was relatively disciplined for a long time in the primaries and coming out of it.

00:13:13.660 And then it got really discombobulated when the switcheroo happened, which is a little bit weird because Trump had been telling people for years, there's no way Biden's making it to the finish line.

00:13:21.040 They're going to switch him out.

00:13:22.240 He's not going to be the guy.

00:13:23.160 And then when it happened, it just seemed as though it totally threw him for a loop.

00:13:27.140 And then there was a phase where he didn't seem to be working that hard either.

00:13:30.340 But now he's clearly, I mean, you've experienced it in person, right?

00:13:34.540 This is one of his main political talents is just the sheer amount of energy, just these relentless rallies.

00:13:40.980 Now, the downside is he wants to entertain himself as much as the other people at the rally.

00:13:44.620 So he's not going to read just the prompter.

00:13:47.060 And nothing makes him happier than when the prompter goes out.

00:13:49.600 So he has no excuse for even following it.

00:13:51.880 Last night, he started ad-libbing.

00:13:52.940 It was clearly an ad-lib about how he wants to start a fighting league like UFC.

00:13:56.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:56.780 With the worst fighters that they have, like meaning the best, like the toughest, against the worst migrants who are here, like the Venezuelan gang. 1.00

00:14:02.940 He's talked about that one before.

00:14:04.840 I was sitting next to Sage Steele, and I was like, thin ice.

00:14:08.080 But, like, he enjoys that, right?

00:14:11.020 He's entertaining.

00:14:12.220 Now, that's one of the things people love about Trump.

00:14:14.480 He's funny.

00:14:15.800 It would be fun in some ways to have him, you know, as president.

00:14:19.040 It would be alarming, I know, to some in other ways.

00:14:21.640 But I think it would be a good time for the country, and that's something that people are attracted to.

00:14:26.760 If we have her, we don't know what we're getting.

00:14:28.580 There is nothing authentic about her.

00:14:30.680 There's absolutely nothing genuine.

00:14:32.240 And I didn't get to play this today on the show, but I wanted to show it anyway.

00:14:35.120 So, Kamala Harris, you probably saw this, she went to do, like, a doorknock.

00:14:39.440 Yeah.

00:14:40.360 And the people came out and started chatting her up.

00:14:43.380 And then she asked them to go back inside and said, because I really want to do a doorknock.

00:14:49.340 Watch.

00:14:49.640 Here it is.

00:14:51.960 Hey, Max.

00:14:53.420 Well, I want to do a doorknock.

00:14:57.200 Oh, you want to do a doorknock?

00:14:58.600 Yeah, come on. 0.77

00:14:59.220 Okay.

00:14:59.540 There's the acting after she did it. 0.92

00:15:18.420 I mean, I have secondhand embarrassment.

00:15:20.540 She can't do anything normally, Charlie.

00:15:24.380 Acting is a good word.

00:15:25.580 There's some videos that have gone around on Twitter where they put side-by-side her performance at various rallies with the exact same words, the exact same head movement.

00:15:35.200 I think we have that.

00:15:36.120 Yeah.

00:15:36.460 Do we have that, Steve?

00:15:37.800 Where she says the same words at all the rallies?

00:15:41.840 And I think we have it.

00:15:46.040 Yep, watch it.

00:15:48.360 Handy producers are getting ready.

00:15:49.500 Mm-hmm.

00:15:54.440 No, we'll play it later.

00:15:55.580 Sorry.

00:15:56.100 Well, the point I was making, really, was that everyone, to some extent, does that.

00:16:01.060 I mean, if you make speeches, you know the jokes at work, and your timing is broadly the same when you tell them and so on.

00:16:06.960 But this is too much.

00:16:09.000 And that's all she is.

00:16:10.560 It's all she's got.

00:16:11.360 There's nothing there.

00:16:12.300 She's just an avatar.

00:16:14.140 And it's not just that she doesn't believe in anything.

00:16:15.940 It's that she's obviously, therefore, susceptible to being fed ideas.

00:16:22.140 And I also find that quite alarming as the potential president of the United States.

00:16:27.140 That's why they chose her.

00:16:28.340 Yeah.

00:16:28.540 It's not even just that I don't know what she stands for.

00:16:30.060 I don't know who she is.

00:16:31.400 Mm-hmm.

00:16:32.040 Or who she's going to be programmed by.

00:16:33.660 Right.

00:16:33.940 Or who she's controlled by.

00:16:34.620 There's also the New York Times profile, this podcaster who did the interview with her.

00:16:39.040 Oh, yeah.

00:16:39.300 Like, have, like, a light.

00:16:41.020 The subway.

00:16:41.720 You know, informal thing.

00:16:42.600 You know, that irritates you or you want to change.

00:16:44.840 And they had a negotiation.

00:16:46.180 Well, she say it's taking your shoes off on the plane.

00:16:48.740 That annoys her.

00:16:49.700 And then she switched.

00:16:50.600 She was going to maintain that bacon bits are spice. 1.00

00:16:53.820 Right?

00:16:54.180 And the guy's Muslim and doesn't eat bacon.

00:16:55.480 So it's like, can we not do this?

00:16:56.600 And there's this long, complicated negotiation.

00:16:58.860 And he ended up just pulling the plug.

00:17:00.260 Right?

00:17:00.560 Yeah.

00:17:00.800 But Trump, does Trump do that with any of these bro podcasts that he sits down with for

00:17:04.700 three hours?

00:17:05.240 No, not in a million years.

00:17:06.060 No.

00:17:06.380 Hell no.

00:17:07.040 Exactly.

00:17:07.520 She, I mean, it's the same person who had to rehearse for the dinner party. 0.87

00:17:10.680 That's the person who had to ask the people to go back in.

00:17:12.580 I told you almost everything you need to know.

00:17:13.360 So she could do the door knock.

00:17:14.880 And the person who had to come in there with her prescripted thing that drives me crazy.

00:17:19.200 Then clearly somebody told her not to say the shoes on the airplane because, what, TSA is going

00:17:23.400 to get upset.

00:17:24.120 So she switched it to bacon bits.

00:17:25.940 And when the guy said, I don't want to do that because I'm Muslim, she froze.

00:17:28.840 And then somebody off cam suggested another thing for her to say.

00:17:32.960 Why don't you say this other thing?

00:17:34.480 And she was frozen.

00:17:35.380 I mean, it just shows you exactly.

00:17:37.000 No confidence.

00:17:38.280 No sense of self.

00:17:40.420 And think about it.

00:17:40.800 I'll just make one point before we take a break.

00:17:42.520 Well, not take a break, but move on.

00:17:45.020 You saw the movie Reagan.

00:17:46.280 They portray the movie Reagan in the negotiations that we're having with the Soviets and how he

00:17:51.620 had to think on his feet.

00:17:52.460 He, what they-

00:17:54.240 I'll start this over again.

00:17:55.020 Yes.

00:17:55.240 He goes out the door and comes back in.

00:17:56.720 Yes.

00:17:57.280 Mm-hmm.

00:17:57.460 She, she's not capable.

00:17:59.160 No.

00:17:59.580 All right.

00:17:59.820 Stand by.

00:18:00.440 Ben Shapiro's here.

00:18:01.380 And I want to talk to him too.

00:18:02.300 He's hosted the Ben Shapiro Show and editor emeritus of the Daily Wire.

00:18:06.480 Ben, great to see you.

00:18:07.780 What are you looking at tonight and how you're feeling?

00:18:09.200 Well, you know, I'm feeling cautiously optimistic.

00:18:13.140 I don't do feelings.

00:18:14.040 So this is very difficult for me.

00:18:15.220 People keep asking me how I'm feeling.

00:18:16.620 And I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about right now.

00:18:18.940 Feel nothing.

00:18:19.220 But, you know, the early indicators right now, I mean, listen, my home state of Florida

00:18:22.860 is kicking ass as per the usual arrangement. 0.93

00:18:24.940 All credit to Governor Ron DeSantis, who's moved that state into deep red territory.

00:18:28.320 But there are some good sort of bellwethers there for the rest of the evening, possibly.

00:18:32.660 Osceola County, which is a very heavily Hispanic county, a lot of Puerto Ricans live there.

00:18:36.660 That county has broken heavily in favor of the Republicans.

00:18:39.720 And so that may speak to the possibility that the Puerto Rican, Tony Hinchcliffe, of all of

00:18:44.100 that sort of stuff is a giant fail.

00:18:46.340 Obviously, what you're seeing in Georgia is a bit of mixed data.

00:18:48.860 You're seeing what you would expect, Donald Trump not performing particularly well in suburban

00:18:52.940 areas, but doing really well among the rural areas.

00:18:55.460 I've heard some indicators from some rumblings from people inside some of the campaigns in

00:19:00.120 Pennsylvania that Kamala Harris is not getting sort of urban turnout that she was looking

00:19:04.420 for thus far.

00:19:05.700 But rural turnout is really, really high, which is, of course, precisely what Trump needs.

00:19:09.340 So, again, I think that cautious optimism is probably the only proper response to the

00:19:13.180 data that we're seeing thus far.

00:19:15.380 But one of the things that I just find hard to comprehend is the possibility that anyone

00:19:19.380 would be enthusiastic about voting for her.

00:19:21.460 This is the thing I just keep coming back to in this election cycle.

00:19:23.820 I've heard a lot of people make the case for Trump.

00:19:25.460 I'm one of those people.

00:19:26.620 I've heard a lot of people make the case against Donald Trump.

00:19:29.260 And, you know, whatever that case is, maybe it has some error.

00:19:32.000 The thing I have never heard anyone make is a case for Kamala Harris because that case 0.98

00:19:36.580 does not exist.

00:19:38.160 Kamala Harris can't even make a case for Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:19:40.360 She can't even explain why she's the nominee.

00:19:42.420 According to Kamala Harris, Joe Biden is just fine.

00:19:44.300 So I'm not even sure why she's there.

00:19:46.480 So if you are a Kamala Harris voter, are you excited about voting for Kamala or are you

00:19:50.100 excited about voting against Trump?

00:19:52.040 And is being excited about voting against Trump really enough to get you up off the couch in

00:19:56.660 the middle of just a weekday afternoon to vote for her?

00:20:00.760 I don't know that's going to be enough.

00:20:02.420 The latest exit poll and these update, as I said to the audience every hour, and these

00:20:08.460 numbers could change and will change.

00:20:10.320 But right now, the latest exit poll shows the most important issue facing the country on

00:20:13.820 a national basis is the economy and jobs.

00:20:15.840 39% say that's number one, 20% say immigration, 11% say abortion.

00:20:21.260 That's good news.

00:20:22.420 That is good news for Trump.

00:20:24.180 Because earlier in earlier versions of the poll, you saw abortion up higher in state to

00:20:29.920 state.

00:20:30.360 We've seen it a little higher.

00:20:31.580 But on a national level, if it's down that far behind economy and immigration, that's

00:20:35.880 good.

00:20:36.080 And that was definitely the Trump campaign closing message.

00:20:38.400 Those two issues, economy, immigration, I mean, to a fault. 0.99

00:20:42.480 That's all he talked about.

00:20:43.840 Yeah, I believe you're talking there about the Fox News exit poll.

00:20:47.240 The Fox News exit poll, one of the only issues there is that if you look at the CNN exit

00:20:50.620 polls, which again, all exit poll data is basically chicken entrails.

00:20:53.760 I mean, it's all a mess.

00:20:55.360 It's very difficult to read anything from it.

00:20:57.120 And so I always lead with that proviso when I'm talking about the exit polling data.

00:21:01.060 The CNN exit polls had an option for democracy, democracy under threat, which has, of course,

00:21:05.960 been Kamala's message and Biden's message.

00:21:07.980 That one ranked number one narrowly over the economy in the CNN exit poll.

00:21:11.280 I'm not sure that was an option on the Fox News exit poll.

00:21:13.140 So again, very, very difficult to tell what's going on.

00:21:16.200 One thing is for sure, Donald Trump, his vote is showing up.

00:21:19.140 I don't think there's a question of whether Donald Trump's vote is showing up.

00:21:21.200 The real question is whether her vote is going to show up.

00:21:23.720 The thing that's kind of boggling my mind a little bit is the number of voters who are

00:21:26.720 showing up thus far.

00:21:27.560 I mean, it really is astonishing.

00:21:28.700 So 2020, you had this unbelievable increase in the number of people who actually voted,

00:21:33.480 an increase about 22 million people from 2016 to 2020, largely because, of course,

00:21:39.280 everybody was voting early and voting by mail and COVID and all of this stuff.

00:21:42.180 And so I had sort of supposed that there was the possibility that you'd actually see

00:21:45.740 an absolute decline in the number of voters from 2020 to 2024, because usually it doesn't

00:21:50.760 jump by 22 million.

00:21:51.660 Usually it jumps by like four or five million.

00:21:53.840 Apparently, the returns are showing thus far that there is not only a good shot that this

00:21:58.180 turnout matches 2020, but that it actually exceeds it by a fairly significant amount.

00:22:02.900 And so if you were going to game this out, we were speaking with Brent Buchanan from Signal,

00:22:06.080 who's one of these polling experts.

00:22:07.920 What he was suggesting is if you're at 2016 levels of turnout, like low levels of turnout,

00:22:11.660 benefit to Trump.

00:22:12.520 2020 levels of turnout probably benefit to Kamala.

00:22:16.320 Above that, no one has any clue.

00:22:20.100 That's, I mean, that's true about everything.

00:22:21.660 Right now we're talking about it because it's the only story that anybody cares about.

00:22:25.500 But we, honestly, I've been through this so many times.

00:22:27.860 So have you been.

00:22:28.700 You know that everything we're looking at right now, all this data, all these issues, all

00:22:31.920 these numbers that are up on the board, they're meaningless until we get later into the

00:22:35.540 evening and we actually know more.

00:22:37.200 We see more raw vote come in.

00:22:39.280 You know, in a short amount of time, we're going to start to see more on the counties

00:22:42.400 by counties that, you know, may portend something about how Trump's doing with Hispanics or how

00:22:49.060 Kamala's doing with black voters. 1.00

00:22:50.740 But, you know, in the meantime, it's really not much more than that.

00:22:54.420 There are a huge number of people who voted early, though.

00:22:57.260 We've got some 84 million who voted early in this race, and it was disproportionately for

00:23:01.880 the first time Republican.

00:23:03.340 We have a greater percentage of Republicans, people who identify as Republicans in the

00:23:08.000 country now than Democrat for the first time in decades.

00:23:11.780 Ben, that doesn't mean they're Trump supporters.

00:23:13.960 A lot of Republicans don't love Trump, but most are ready to vote for Trump.

00:23:18.000 So what do you think that means for tonight?

00:23:20.620 Because they're not enthusiastic about Trump on the GOP side, but in two elections, they have

00:23:27.400 come home for him.

00:23:28.500 The independents, last time, not so much.

00:23:31.880 Yeah, no, I think that it would be shocking if Republicans did not come home for Trump.

00:23:36.100 And in fact, you are seeing some early indicators of that really, really high voter turnout in

00:23:40.400 the red states, obviously, for Donald Trump.

00:23:42.760 But you're also seeing some indicators in, like, Loudoun County in Virginia.

00:23:46.340 Loudoun County, you heard a lot of talk about that.

00:23:48.000 You remember during the gubernatorial race between Glenn Youngkin and Terry McAuliffe.

00:23:52.160 That county, the results are in there, and it moved right by about nine points.

00:23:56.000 So you are seeing a lot of Republicans who are coming home.

00:23:58.420 How independence break, you know, totally unclear at this point in time.

00:24:02.560 I think that one thing that we, it's very hard to read what's going to happen tonight.

00:24:06.080 One thing that I think is clearly happening nationally, and this is very good for Republicans

00:24:09.820 over the long haul, is the movement of population from north to south, from blue areas to red

00:24:14.560 areas, is shifting the demographic nature of voting in the country.

00:24:18.040 And what that means is that when we do the next census, right, in 2030, you're going to

00:24:22.300 see a radical shift in the map.

00:24:23.680 So right now, we're paying attention to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

00:24:27.160 All those states are getting redder.

00:24:28.640 Virginia is getting bluer.

00:24:29.900 But in terms of the absolute number of electoral college votes for each state, that changes,

00:24:34.480 obviously, with every census cycle.

00:24:36.720 So by 2030, you're going to see more electoral college votes actually shift to states like

00:24:41.360 Florida, like Texas, like Georgia, like Arizona.

00:24:44.880 And when that happens, there's a great possibility that by that point, maybe cold comfort, depending

00:24:50.200 on how tonight goes, by that point, you might be able to see a Republican candidate within

00:24:53.860 without win, without winning any of these so-called blue wall states.

00:24:56.800 The entire map just changes.

00:24:58.280 Wow.

00:24:58.940 Those little sweet nothings you're whispering here on the show.

00:25:01.760 Appreciate that.

00:25:03.060 This just in, Ben, this is interesting.

00:25:05.020 NBC, the headline is, Harris loses ground with Latinos nationwide.

00:25:11.800 Latino men are breaking for Trump, plus 10, 54 or 44.

00:25:16.820 Major reversal from 2020 when they backed Biden by 23.

00:25:21.620 They backed Biden by 23.

00:25:23.020 They're breaking for Trump by 10.

00:25:25.840 Wow.

00:25:26.420 So 33-point swing.

00:25:28.880 Latino women are going for Harris, plus 25. 1.00

00:25:32.940 But they went for Biden, plus 39.

00:25:36.380 That is a lot closer to what we saw in the polls leading up to today, that she was not

00:25:43.560 doing well with Latinos at all. 1.00

00:25:45.600 And Trump was.

00:25:46.720 And that's why they got so excited about that one comedian's joke about Puerto Rico, which

00:25:51.920 she really did her best to make the most out of in the last week of the campaign. 0.97

00:25:55.540 So far, it doesn't seem, notwithstanding what J-Lo told us, that they were all that offended.

00:26:01.020 We'll see.

00:26:03.260 Trump's additional cutting into the Democrat lead among minority voters, that's real.

00:26:08.300 I mean, there was a lot of talk about whether that was a mirage, whether that was sort of,

00:26:11.000 you know, just a sort of bizarre after-fact, bad polling or whatever.

00:26:15.060 That is obviously, as the results come in, becoming more and more real.

00:26:18.600 We're not just talking here about Hispanic votes.

00:26:20.080 Black men in Georgia, for example, seem to be voting at about a 25 percent clip for Donald

00:26:24.260 Trump, which is a major, major change for Republicans.

00:26:27.560 I mean, you can see these bellwether counties really moving in a serious way.

00:26:31.240 I was down in the Rio Grande Valley campaigning with Ted Cruz just on Sunday night.

00:26:35.180 Rio Grande Valley is completely Hispanic.

00:26:36.980 And we were out there with like a thousand people.

00:26:39.280 Pretty much everybody there was Hispanic.

00:26:41.480 And that county that we were in was a very deep blue county.

00:26:45.220 And now it is no longer a deep blue county.

00:26:46.600 It is trending toward red.

00:26:47.740 A lot of Hispanics, it turns out that Hispanic Americans, that they want the American dream.

00:26:52.920 And it turns out that pandering to Hispanic Americans by somehow thinking that what they

00:26:56.580 actually want is just a wide open border, like that's such a bizarre supposition.

00:27:00.800 And it's unrooted in reality.

00:27:02.880 It turns out that just telling Hispanic voters that we're going to use terms like Latinx,

00:27:06.660 which, by the way, Latino people absolutely hate because it's idiotic. 1.00

00:27:09.460 And it was made up on a college campus by a moron.

00:27:11.680 And that if you throw that out there, and then if you just say that Tony Hinchcliffe made

00:27:15.020 a dumb joke about Puerto Ricans, that somehow Hispanic voters are going to abandon things

00:27:18.720 like, you know, family, upward economic mobility, the church, right?

00:27:22.580 Things that actually matter to an enormous number of Hispanic voters across the country.

00:27:26.680 You know, it turns out that's a really, really bad strategy.

00:27:29.260 And it may be that Hispanics across the country don't actually vote in quite the same way,

00:27:32.840 that Hispanics in California don't quite vote like Hispanics in Texas who don't quite 0.74

00:27:36.300 vote like Hispanics from Florida, especially because Hispanic is such a broad category.

00:27:40.100 I mean, you're lumping in there Cubans with Mexicans, with Venezuelans, with Argentinians.

00:27:44.700 Not everybody thinks the same way.

00:27:47.680 One of the things that the team, that Team Harris was saying leading into today was that

00:27:52.060 they feel good about their, quote, late breakers, that they're seeing data suggesting a late

00:27:56.720 breaking voters, people who decided the last minute are voting for or breaking for her.

00:28:01.600 There is some support for that so far.

00:28:03.560 CBS News reporting that in North Carolina, most of the voters decided on their candidate

00:28:08.060 long ago, 5% say they made up their minds in the last week.

00:28:12.220 And more of those late deciders went for Harris per the exit polls, saying voters who decided

00:28:18.320 in the last week went 58% for her, 36% for Trump.

00:28:22.700 That's always a category to watch.

00:28:25.560 I mean, I will say, I can think of a lot of nights I sat there on the set at Fox News

00:28:30.220 and we'd be like, the late breakers.

00:28:33.340 Somehow this candidate got the late breakers and then we'd spend hours poring over what

00:28:37.380 happened in the last week.

00:28:38.940 But I really think in this race, it's nothing that happened in the last week.

00:28:42.600 It's like a gut judgment call on Trump overall, because we all know Trump, right, versus her.

00:28:49.440 We don't know her, but they probably have strong feelings about her.

00:28:52.500 In any event, what do you make of the late breakers?

00:28:54.060 I mean, I think a couple of things.

00:28:56.820 I do think that there were some unforced errors at MSG, right?

00:28:59.440 I mean, I think the Madison Square Garden rally contained obvious campaign unforced errors.

00:29:03.080 And I don't think there's really a way around that.

00:29:05.600 You know, there was an opportunity for Trump to put his best foot forward.

00:29:09.500 And instead, I think, got programmed by a bunch of people who tend to be too online.

00:29:13.980 And so that's how you end up with things like Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:29:15.980 Now, that may not have a real impact on the race, but it does remind people of the excesses 0.98

00:29:20.040 of Trump as opposed to the greatness of his presidency, and he was a really, really good

00:29:24.100 president.

00:29:24.860 And you don't want to spend the last week of your campaign talking about, you know,

00:29:27.680 Peanut the Squirrel and Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:29:29.060 You want to spend the last week of your campaign talking about why Kamala Harris is a bad vice 1.00

00:29:33.440 president and will make a bad president.

00:29:35.280 And so if people are breaking late against Trump in some of these areas, I would assume

00:29:39.500 that some of that, I mean, they are definitionally late breakers, which means they are tuning

00:29:43.020 in late, right?

00:29:44.200 Okay, so then you just have to look at the last week of the campaign.

00:29:46.540 It's not that Harris has won like a wonderful campaign for the last week.

00:29:50.340 There have been some actual mistakes by the Trump campaign.

00:29:53.960 I mean, you pointed this out as well in sort of the last week of the campaign.

00:29:58.060 You know, I think that he can overcome that, obviously.

00:29:59.880 We'll find out tonight.

00:30:01.060 But has this campaign been a perfect game thrown by either side?

00:30:05.940 I think that you can pretty safely say no.

00:30:07.940 There have been an awful lot of errors on the field.

00:30:10.560 And we'll see.

00:30:11.500 I mean, that late breaker number, that's going to change too.

00:30:13.720 So huge asterisk on it all.

00:30:15.800 Ben Shapiro, you're the best.

00:30:17.120 Check him out on the Ben Shapiro show and over at The Daily Wire.

00:30:20.700 You should sign up for a Daily Wire Plus membership.

00:30:23.060 I did it.

00:30:23.780 Well worth it.

00:30:24.660 And you can see Matt Walsh's smash hit movie, Am I Racist?

00:30:29.680 Everybody I know loves the film.

00:30:31.560 Ben, thank you for helping make it.

00:30:34.820 Hey, thanks, Megan.

00:30:35.420 I really appreciate it.

00:30:36.980 Okay, up next, we've got Henry Olson.

00:30:38.720 He was on the program earlier and told us what he'd be looking for when the polls started

00:30:42.880 to close tonight.

00:30:43.580 And now he'll tell us what he's seeing.

00:30:44.940 He's senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls

00:30:49.860 podcast.

00:30:50.720 He joins me now.

00:30:52.020 Henry, thank you for being back with us.

00:30:53.500 So one of the things you wanted to look at was Virginia 3.

00:30:57.840 Have you been able to glean anything from Virginia 3, which you said would be interesting

00:31:02.120 because it's a predominantly black area?

00:31:04.760 And we were going to see how she was doing with African-American voters there. 0.99

00:31:11.120 Yeah, I mean, one of the things we've been seeing from the exit polls so far is that Trump

00:31:16.680 is making some gains in different areas, but it perhaps may be not as large as what we had

00:31:23.300 thought.

00:31:23.900 Right now, there aren't enough votes in all of Virginia 3, to be sure, in the sense that

00:31:29.860 they are dropping some votes, but it's very heavily tilted to some areas.

00:31:35.780 So I don't feel comfortable in talking about Virginia 3.

00:31:39.680 But Virginia 7 is much more interesting.

00:31:43.720 And there you're seeing the sort of gains that you would expect from a good night, not

00:31:48.700 a great night, but a good night for a Republican, that the areas that are Democratic are not being

00:31:56.460 as Democratic as they should be, and Republican areas are coming in very strong.

00:32:02.560 This could very well be a place where Eugene Vindman, the Democratic candidate, trying to

00:32:07.400 hold the seat, loses.

00:32:08.680 He's only up by 4% right now, and the votes that are out tilt towards the Republicans.

00:32:13.760 I can't do the math quickly, but this is going to be much closer.

00:32:16.780 It's not going to be a 7-point win for him.

00:32:19.600 And if it's not a 7-point win for him, it's not going to be a 7-point win for her.

00:32:23.660 Okay, that's interesting.

00:32:24.660 That guy Vindman, his sister-in-law was the one who was out there celebrating when Trump

00:32:31.480 got shot, was saying, oh, no ears were harmed.

00:32:35.340 Go on about your business.

00:32:37.020 And then people were like, take that down, you ghoul. 1.00

00:32:39.260 And she said, no, I won't.

00:32:40.880 And then finally, somebody was like, hey, your brother-in-law's running for Congress.

00:32:44.780 This isn't helpful.

00:32:45.940 And she finally was like, oh, I'm very contrite.

00:32:47.780 That was wrong of me.

00:32:48.820 I wonder whether people are still holding in against her.

00:32:52.340 Okay, what else are we looking at?

00:32:53.640 I know we talked a little bit earlier today.

00:32:57.080 We talked about Virginia.

00:32:58.260 And one of the questions I heard discussed, it was Steve Kornacki was raising this.

00:33:02.000 Tell me whether any of this resonates with you.

00:33:03.880 Was he was looking down in Georgia.

00:33:06.440 Does Fayette County go blue?

00:33:08.680 It's something that had predominantly gone for Republicans like Mitt Romney by 30 points and

00:33:14.960 has been migrating a little bit more Democrat looking in Michigan at a county, Macomb versus

00:33:21.800 Oakland.

00:33:22.840 Macomb, more GOP.

00:33:24.180 Oakland, more Dem.

00:33:25.680 Wondering, you know, how much those counties would go and whether it tells us anything.

00:33:30.080 Are you seeing anything else in other counties besides Virginia 7?

00:33:33.260 Yeah, well, Fayette County has 92% of the votes in and Donald Trump is leading by three points.

00:33:40.940 And I would expect on the election day vote that that'll go up a little bit.

00:33:44.820 So the expected or the hoped for, if you're a Democrat, blue switch has not happened there.

00:33:50.600 The New York Times ticker or the needle says that Georgia leans to Trump.

00:33:58.180 And if you take a look at the exit poll, it suggests a two point margin for Trump.

00:34:05.400 Nate Cohn in the New York Times needle now says a 2.8 margin for Trump.

00:34:10.940 So Georgia is looking good for Trump.

00:34:13.980 She's not hitting her marks there.

00:34:15.600 And part of that is lower than expected margins with African-Americans.

00:34:19.620 But all of the exit poll data and where we can see it in Florida shows massive switches

00:34:26.960 among Latinos.

00:34:28.240 You know, we heard a lot about the Puerto Ricans.

00:34:31.440 Well, Osceola County in Florida is the only Latino plurality county in the country.

00:34:38.100 And guess who's winning Osceola County?

00:34:41.140 Donald John Trump by two tenths of a percent.

00:34:43.960 Wow. What's the other big storyline as you see it?

00:34:47.040 So he's he's doing very well with Latinos.

00:34:50.200 Maybe maybe he's doing better in Virginia seven than, you know, she would like to see.

00:34:55.240 What else are we seeing on the overall trending?

00:34:59.320 The female surge is not going to bring the Democrats to victory in an overwhelming way. 1.00

00:35:05.500 All of the exit polls show that the percentage of women as the electorate might be up by a point

00:35:11.460 or two. But Trump is winning men by much more than she's winning women.

00:35:16.140 So what you've got in poll after poll after poll is Trump winning by 12 points, 14 points

00:35:21.580 among men, losing women by seven, eight, nine points.

00:35:25.660 And what you've got is when you do the math, the fact that women are more of the electorate 1.00

00:35:30.220 don't outweigh the losses that she has among men.

00:35:33.520 And if Donald Trump wins the presidency, it will be because his margins among men are larger

00:35:39.600 than her margins among women. 0.93

00:35:42.520 And you have to say that that might be a cause and effect.

00:35:45.720 It's they might like Trump and they might like what Trump is doing, but they might also

00:35:49.240 be reacting negatively to a highly women focused campaign in the last two weeks by Kamala Harris.

00:35:54.700 Mm hmm. Oh, Henry, you're so helpful.

00:35:57.020 Please don't go far.

00:35:58.360 Love having you.

00:35:59.200 Thank you so much.

00:35:59.840 Keep getting your data and we'll go back to you for an update.

00:36:02.720 I should tell the audience, the New York Times, he spoke of the needle.

00:36:05.420 New York Times projecting needle is now projecting Trump will win 275 to Harris's 263.

00:36:14.000 But I have to say, Henry, before you run, that's not the same needle that told us Hillary

00:36:18.200 Clinton was going to win 2016 by like 93 percent certainty.

00:36:22.020 You know, I since I live tweet on Election Day, I wasn't looking at the needle.

00:36:30.540 But Nate Cohn is a superb analyst.

00:36:33.540 And what they do on the data side of the New York Times is very, very accurate.

00:36:39.540 If the needle says it moves in one direction, I don't think that we should discount the needle.

00:36:46.640 Your listeners may think what they want about the Times news reporting.

00:36:50.400 Nate and the data side are straight down the middle.

00:36:53.500 And I don't think you're getting any sort of tilt.

00:36:55.540 If they say it leans to Trump, it's leaning to Trump.

00:36:58.420 Thread the needle. 0.95

00:36:59.540 They're saying Trump 275, Harris 263.

00:37:02.340 That's their best projection, according to the needle.

00:37:05.300 We will be back to Henry in just a bit.

00:37:07.160 Joining me now on set, Maureen Callahan, columnist for the Daily Mail and author of the new book,

00:37:12.180 Ask Not, which is a must read on the Kennedy family.

00:37:15.700 It takes you all through the JFK stuff and the JFK Jr. stuff.

00:37:19.980 You will love it.

00:37:20.640 I promise you.

00:37:21.800 Maureen, great to have you.

00:37:23.120 Great to be with you, Megan.

00:37:24.520 You look beautiful.

00:37:25.560 So do you.

00:37:26.580 Thank you.

00:37:27.200 Congratulations, by the way, again, on your rally performance last night.

00:37:31.260 Oh, thank you.

00:37:31.900 Which was really something to behold.

00:37:34.320 And I just have to say, you know, you mentioned in your speech how the media wasn't prosecuting

00:37:42.100 the Doug Emhoff question enough.

00:37:44.300 Absolutely true.

00:37:45.560 But you are also probably the lone voice who is naming the women and that 12-year-old girl,

00:37:51.860 Jocelyn, murdered by illegal migrants and bringing the trans issue and what it's doing to our girls 0.98

00:38:00.780 and young women up and up and up.

00:38:02.760 And it's so important.

00:38:04.260 And it was just really incredible to have somebody bring that home the night before the election.

00:38:09.460 Thank you.

00:38:10.060 It's just been so annoying to watch the Republicans seed the issue of the female vote to the other

00:38:16.620 side.

00:38:17.100 Like, what is she offering women other than abortions? 1.00

00:38:21.040 I mean, truly.

00:38:22.040 That's it.

00:38:23.060 It's so short-sighted.

00:38:24.440 But isn't that her entire campaign? 0.58

00:38:26.720 Surfacy and short-sighted.

00:38:28.260 You know, she thinks she's going to win the female vote on the backs of abortion, which, 1.00

00:38:33.580 as you rightly pointed out, especially this past week, it's never going to be federalized

00:38:40.160 ever.

00:38:40.920 And it shouldn't be.

00:38:42.040 No, it won't be.

00:38:43.240 They won't open that door.

00:38:44.240 Once they open it for the Democrats to do it, it's open forever for the Republicans to

00:38:48.820 issue a ban, a nationwide ban, if that's where they go with it.

00:38:52.580 So they're not that dumb.

00:38:54.860 They understand full well if they say, yeah, the feds can regulate this, it means either

00:38:59.280 side can.

00:38:59.940 And if they get rid of minority rights in the Senate, then the Republicans will take

00:39:03.480 advantage of that one day, too.

00:39:04.940 They're not that stupid.

00:39:06.360 And abortion is too important to them.

00:39:08.060 It's just a lure to get young women and older to the polls. 1.00

00:39:13.460 It's a lie.

00:39:14.300 It's so dishonest.

00:39:15.700 And meanwhile, women are being killed right now by these illegals, by criminals on our 0.99

00:39:22.560 street, thanks to these soft-on-crime DAs, hurt in their sports, women being hurt in prisons

00:39:28.880 by these trans people.

00:39:30.320 It's just none of that, the media, total blackout.

00:39:33.980 They treated it the same way they treated those Doug Emhoff allegations.

00:39:37.720 100%.

00:39:38.200 100%.

00:39:39.200 And it makes me, as a female voter, so furious.

00:39:42.900 And it's just, you know, watching some of the coverage that's been going on just now,

00:39:47.680 watching them over on MSNBC, they're having a premature victory party, you know, and it's

00:39:53.020 just so disingenuous because they've just been nothing but a propaganda arm, admittedly,

00:39:59.740 of the Harris campaign.

00:40:01.920 And I have to say, speaking to Charlie earlier, before your show, he said, with certainty, I think

00:40:09.600 it's going to be Kamala Harris, and I felt panic.

00:40:13.940 I'm losing my voice, Megan.

00:40:16.380 I think this election is killing us.

00:40:20.180 I just want it to be over in the worst way.

00:40:24.000 I have to say, I too have had a pit in my stomach all day.

00:40:28.000 And it's, you know, it's just, I want data, and it's so hard to come by until longer.

00:40:35.660 We have to wait longer.

00:40:36.480 It's like, I mean, you're waiting for a great vacation, or you're waiting for the results

00:40:39.560 of an important test or something.

00:40:41.120 Do you have cancer?

00:40:42.320 What?

00:40:43.100 No, not you.

00:40:44.140 But like, if you're in the doctor's office waiting to hear the results of a biopsy,

00:40:47.540 I feel like that.

00:40:48.740 I feel like it's that consequential.

00:40:53.240 Yes.

00:40:53.800 All right, stand by.

00:40:54.560 I know two ladies who would like to weigh in on this. 1.00

00:40:56.480 They're here to join our discussion.

00:40:58.120 Emily Jaschinski, she's D.C. correspondent for UnHerd, and Eliana Johnson, editor-in-chief

00:41:03.580 of the Washington Free Beacon.

00:41:05.600 Ladies, welcome. 0.99

00:41:06.400 Great to see you.

00:41:07.200 Are you having the feeling?

00:41:08.240 Do you guys have the pit, like in the stomach?

00:41:12.880 I mean, it's, right now, what I feel like is for the next, what, five-plus hours, we're

00:41:19.200 going to be hurtling towards, as you mentioned with Henry Olsen, Megan, that needle, the New

00:41:23.880 York Times needle having it, like, that close, projecting a win for Donald Trump, but having

00:41:28.380 it so close.

00:41:29.940 There's 30,000 ballots that need to be recounted by hand in Milwaukee.

00:41:34.000 We know already Pennsylvania's not expecting to get results until two or three in the morning.

00:41:38.460 So we have some of these bellwethers that look pretty good for Donald Trump.

00:41:42.600 Now, Kamala Harris has gained in some suburban counties, although not all of them, but she 1.00

00:41:47.360 has made some significant gains in those suburban counties, but Donald Trump is making gains

00:41:51.440 in rural counties, making big gains in Florida, as Henry mentioned.

00:41:56.200 And so it just feels like we're going to be in a situation that, you know, two, three in

00:42:00.440 the morning comes around, and we are still biting our nails about what's happening in

00:42:04.280 Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.

00:42:06.060 Stop it.

00:42:06.520 You are unheard.

00:42:08.160 It didn't happen.

00:42:08.960 Didn't hear that.

00:42:09.940 Stop it, Emily Jasinski.

00:42:12.260 But, Eliana, listen to this.

00:42:14.220 Yes, this is interesting.

00:42:16.360 The New York Times, Nate Cohen, we were talking about his needle, not his needle.

00:42:19.900 Forgive me.

00:42:20.300 You know what I'm saying?

00:42:21.320 That sounded important to crack.

00:42:22.900 Got to have some fun.

00:42:28.460 The needle from the New York Times.

00:42:30.340 The Times projecting a Trump victory, Trump 275, Harris 263, and now another update from

00:42:36.020 him.

00:42:36.940 We now estimate Harris's lead in the national popular vote to be just over one percentage

00:42:43.060 point.

00:42:43.440 This is somewhat smaller than we opened the night with, and it's almost entirely attributable

00:42:48.300 to Trump's strong results in Florida.

00:42:51.440 Across all counties, precincts, and townships counted so far, Trump is running 0.3 points

00:42:58.140 ahead of our expectations, and perhaps that's all Florida.

00:43:04.720 So that's interesting.

00:43:06.600 It's Florida, Eliana, but it's interesting because one of the big questions coming into

00:43:11.120 tonight was, are the polls, the national polls, underestimating the Trump support?

00:43:17.340 And what he seems to be saying here is maybe we're getting some evidence that they were.

00:43:23.520 And I think the other question, the other open question is, can you extrapolate some of the

00:43:30.380 results in Florida to similar counties in Georgia where we still don't know the result?

00:43:35.940 But I think one of the things we can say right now while we're trying to fill time before we know

00:43:41.480 anything really is that we're absolutely seeing a continuing realignment of the political parties

00:43:48.740 with minorities coming increasingly into the Republican Party and the Democratic Party

00:43:56.440 increasingly becoming more a party of white coastal elites.

00:44:02.420 You mentioned and talked with Henry, Megan, about exit polls showing that a 10-point shift

00:44:09.100 in Latino men toward Donald Trump and also exit points showing Trump performing as well as

00:44:17.860 winning about 25 percent of the African-American vote.

00:44:23.420 Those are numbers that would have made George W. Bush or Mitt Romney faint if they had seen

00:44:29.620 them. And it does right now, you know, I think the question that everybody is grappling right

00:44:36.340 now is will Trump's gains with white men and, you know, men of all colors, because his gains

00:44:44.420 with men are extending to Latino men, African-American men, outweigh whatever gains she's been able 0.82

00:44:49.960 to make with women? 0.99

00:44:51.780 You know, Emily, you're already hearing some grumbling from some on the left about, you know,

00:44:56.540 there's just people in this country who'll never vote for a woman. 1.00

00:44:58.420 They're just never going to vote for a woman. 1.00

00:45:00.580 And then there was the Jen Psaki line over on MSNBC suggesting whatever happens in this

00:45:06.040 election, what we're really going to need to do is crack down on social media and insist

00:45:10.900 that they be held to the same standards as those of us on cable news.

00:45:16.240 Emily fell over.

00:45:17.260 That's how shocking that statement was.

00:45:18.840 She fell over.

00:45:21.660 She's back.

00:45:22.580 So what do you make of it's sexist that people aren't voting for her?

00:45:27.200 And the problem is these Internet provocateurs who aren't held to the same high standards

00:45:32.600 as MSNBC?

00:45:35.060 Yeah, I mean, it's going to be really frightening to see what happens if so in a scenario where

00:45:40.020 Donald Trump wins.

00:45:41.580 We sort of already saw what happened after 2016, which was the left kind of sprint in

00:45:45.280 the other direction and actually get even more censorious.

00:45:48.080 It wasn't really until Donald Trump hit the stage that we started outwardly seeing these

00:45:52.540 like sort of boastful calls and demands, actually, not just from elected officials, but from

00:45:57.900 normal people, normal people on the left who identified as left-leaning in this country,

00:46:02.360 demanding that they be protected from speech they don't like because they don't trust other

00:46:05.960 voters to make their minds up, right?

00:46:08.400 They think that people need to have their hands held by journalists and by pollsters and by the

00:46:14.240 social media companies to put those, it's like, you know, you're bumper bowling, right?

00:46:17.880 They need to put the bumpers on the bowling lane. 0.99

00:46:20.900 And that accelerated after November of 2016, like on another level.

00:46:26.980 It didn't, you know, nobody reckoned with it and said, okay, let's actually think about how we can

00:46:31.340 persuade and respect the dignity of these voters.

00:46:33.880 It was, we must be protected from the speech of these voters.

00:46:36.880 These voters must be protected from the speech of other voters because they will have their minds

00:46:41.360 changed in the direction we don't want. So I'm not surprised by this at all. I would expect that

00:46:45.640 if Donald Trump wins, that will triple, you know, we've seen a double down. I think we'll see a

00:46:51.180 triple down, honestly. You know, you know, this reminds me, Maureen, while I have you here,

00:46:55.440 last night there was a Twitter fight between Josh of the Daily Mail, forgive me, I'm blanking on his

00:47:01.060 last name, the guy who broke the M-Hoff story. So he got into an argument with Bill Burton of the

00:47:09.420 Obama administration. And I keep asking Tim Miller, who interviewed Doug M-Hoff and did not ask about

00:47:17.260 the allegations against him at all. Neither did Molly Jong, Fast, nobody. Joe Scarborough didn't

00:47:25.640 ask him. Anyway, I've been fighting with Tim Miller online. Why didn't you ask about the abuse

00:47:30.340 allegations? Why didn't? And he won't answer. And Bill Burton decides to weigh in and says,

00:47:34.560 why are you asking about Russian disinformation? Are you kidding me? No. Are you kidding me? No.

00:47:41.360 And Josh is like, excuse me, are you calling my information? I also just reported on the new

00:47:46.740 sexual assault allegation against Donald Trump by that model. Right. So why are you suggesting I'm

00:47:51.680 just going fishing with the Russians for disinformation? I mean, we both know that she's 0.99

00:47:56.160 not Russian disinformation. No, we know she's a lawyer. We know where she lives. We know every,

00:48:01.420 we at the mail know everything about this woman. She came to us and sat down and gave an interview.

00:48:06.340 Josh Boswell. Great reporter. Did incredible work. This stuff with Jen Psaki, one of my favorite

00:48:13.180 whipping people. I cannot stand her. You're telling me that it's not enough that the media ran cover for

00:48:21.280 the Hunter Biden laptop and that Facebook and every other major tech company in Silicon Valley

00:48:27.980 was bullied by the FBI into not covering it into they blocked the New York Post for like two weeks.

00:48:36.700 They wouldn't platform the post because we I worked there at the time. We were the only people covering

00:48:41.500 it. Russian disinformation, Russian plant. You can't authenticate it. Well, guess what? It turned out

00:48:46.440 to be real, which they've only admitted, I believe, this year after he pled guilty. He finally pled guilty.

00:48:53.760 The FBI took the stand at the Hunter Biden trial and said it was real and they knew it.

00:48:59.240 In any event, we're going to hear a lot of that depending on how tonight goes, Eliana. There will

00:49:03.620 be the sexism card and so on, but we're getting ahead of ourselves because she could win. I mean,

00:49:08.200 she could absolutely win. I will say, and this could change, but virtually everybody, not virtually

00:49:14.060 everybody I've spoken to on the Republican side, the data people, the poll people, the people around

00:49:20.500 team Trump feel very certain that the Republicans are going to win the Senate. And so, you know,

00:49:28.300 maybe they're wrong about that. Who knows? But that's like the rest of the races tonight are

00:49:33.640 important for obvious reasons. If Kamala Harris goes in there and has control of the Senate and has 1.00

00:49:39.100 control of the House, she actually might get rid of the filibuster and the Senate and our government 1.00

00:49:44.240 will have changed forever. Yeah, I want to address that. But before I get to that, one thought on

00:49:54.820 sort of the blame game and the sexism bit, you know, sure, we're going to hear that Kamala lost 1.00

00:50:02.580 because of sexism from predictable quarters, but I actually don't think that's going to be as

00:50:08.040 prominent a narrative with her as it was after Hillary Clinton lost for a couple of reasons.

00:50:14.080 The first is that she, her credit, hasn't made her gender or her race a central part of her campaign.

00:50:21.980 She did campaign on the abortion issue, but I think any Democrat would have because it has been proven

00:50:28.080 to be a good issue for them. I actually think there's going to be so much bitterness and recrimination

00:50:34.280 and finger-pointing if she loses. I think Joe Biden is going to take a whole lot of the blame.

00:50:42.080 So no Mount Rushmore?

00:50:44.380 Yeah, exactly. He'll be blamed for running for re-election and he'll be blamed for playing identity

00:50:51.760 politics with his choice of vice presidential pick when he knew when he ran in 2020 that he was

00:51:00.040 old and frail and people saw cognitive decline during that bid. So my sense is that he's going to

00:51:07.620 shoulder the host of the blame if she loses and we'll hear a little bit less. Yes, we're going to

00:51:16.000 hear it, but we'll hear a little bit less. As to your point about the Senate and the rest of the

00:51:19.940 important races, yes, that's absolutely true. There are many, many competitive Senate races

00:51:25.960 across the country. And if Trump does win, this is one reason to watch his margins. One interesting

00:51:33.980 thing is in 2020 and 2016, the conventional wisdom was that Donald Trump would be a drag

00:51:40.000 on the ticket and that Republican Senate candidates would outperform him. That is not what we've seen

00:51:48.980 this year. We've seen Trump running ahead of conventional Republican Senate candidates and

00:51:54.280 the conventional wisdom is that Trump needs to run, you know, one, one and a half points ahead

00:52:00.560 of these Senate candidates to pull them over the finish line. So, you know, for your viewers looking

00:52:05.220 for what to watch in a state like Pennsylvania, Trump needs to win that state, you know, is what

00:52:09.620 I'm hearing from people by one, one and a half, two points for somebody like Dave McCormick to cross

00:52:15.160 the finish line and oust an incumbent, you know, a longtime incumbent like Bob Casey.

00:52:20.040 Yep. It could happen there. It could happen in Ohio with Bernie Marino. I mean, we think that it's

00:52:26.120 going to happen. Yeah. And we think it's going to happen in Montana with Sheehy. Although I have to

00:52:31.120 tell you, I had a very weird interview with Sheehy on Thursday. You can go check our YouTube feed,

00:52:36.220 but he's going to win. And that's, that's good for the Republicans. EJs, it's a pleasure as always.

00:52:43.020 Thank you for being here. Thank you, Megan. Back soon. Okay. Maureen sticking around and up next,

00:52:49.760 Tom Bevan and Sean Trendy from Real Clear Politics. Sean knows those counties like the

00:52:54.220 back of his hands. And you know that Tom Bevan is a guru when it comes to reading polls and data.

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00:54:06.540 Welcome back to the show at 9 p.m. Eastern, which is in about six minutes. Polls will close in the

00:54:13.660 key battlegrounds of Arizona, Wisconsin. Arizona and Wisconsin are big. And the last four counties

00:54:19.580 in Michigan that are in the central time zone. The central time zone is also home to one of our

00:54:26.800 next guests, Tom Bevan, who lives in Chicago, and Sean Trendy from Real Clear Politics. And I don't

00:54:32.040 know where Sean lives. Guys, great to see you. Tom, let me start with you. What's jumping out

00:54:36.100 at you in the coverage that, in the data that we're seeing so far?

00:54:41.660 Well, I mean, Florida is the big number, you know, I mean, Trump is just blowing the doors

00:54:45.260 off in Florida. And we saw that in 2022 was the only place where the red wave happened,

00:54:50.380 basically, with DeSantis and Rubio winning overwhelming victories. And so here you go again,

00:54:55.060 you know, Democrats thought with abortion on the ballot down there, that that was a state they

00:54:58.460 would be competitive in. They looked at Rick Scott and thought, hey, maybe he's one of the

00:55:02.560 opportunities to pick up in the Senate. It's clearly not happening. And so that's good news.

00:55:08.000 But the question is, well, how much does that tell us about what's happening in the rest of the

00:55:11.860 country? And you look, you know, where Kamala Harris's best opportunity is, is to is that upper 0.99

00:55:17.860 Midwest, right? Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, she'd win the Electoral College 270, 268. And there, 0.89

00:55:23.420 you know, we still don't have enough data to make a decision. Sean's from Ohio. And we were talking

00:55:26.960 about the Ohio numbers earlier, and he can, he can tell you about these, but they're a little,

00:55:30.740 you know, Trump's not running as strong in Ohio as the polls had suggested. And that might be a bit

00:55:36.240 of a cause for concern. But in plenty of the other places around the South, in Georgia, Trump's running

00:55:41.780 strong. So it's, but the upper Midwest is where this ballgame is going to be won or lost.

00:55:48.120 Okay, Sean, you go. Ohio, what?

00:55:50.280 Yeah, the Ohio results right now are close. Now, there's still a lot of votes to be counted there.

00:55:58.020 And a lot of this is going to be early vote, which is typically favorable to Democrats. But

00:56:02.420 the question isn't whether or not Trump wins Ohio, he's going to win. The question is,

00:56:07.060 does he win it by just eight points? If he does, that suggests there hasn't been the kind of swing

00:56:13.540 in the upper Midwest that we'd seen in places like Florida and Georgia. That, in turn, kind of gives

00:56:21.000 us some concern for Republicans about Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Incidentally, this is

00:56:26.020 exactly what we saw in 2022, where Florida was big for Republicans. Georgia came home for Republicans

00:56:34.820 not named Herschel Walker. You know, Virginia swung. I mean, it's crazy right now. Trump's only losing

00:56:41.320 Loudoun County by 15 points. He lost it by 25 in 2020. But it's that Rust Belt that didn't move.

00:56:50.080 Yeah. If we're talking about Pennsylvania, we just get nervous.

00:56:54.540 So what's the path for Trump if he loses all three states in the blue wall? Can he do it,

00:57:00.640 Sean, if he wins all of the Sun Belt, including Nevada and New Hampshire?

00:57:06.300 At that point, he really kind of has to pull a rabbit out of his hat. I mean, Virginia's close

00:57:14.120 right now. So maybe he doesn't come home for Harris. Like, yeah, it is a close state right

00:57:20.560 now. It's almost certainly going to be low single digits. Maybe New Hampshire. One thing

00:57:25.640 no one's really paid a lot of attention to is New Mexico. And if Trump really does bring it home with

00:57:29.580 Hispanic voters, that's a place. But these are long shots. If he doesn't win one of the blue

00:57:33.980 wall states, it is hard for him to win the presidency.

00:57:37.440 Tom Bevin, I know how you. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

00:57:41.680 I was just going to add, I'll raise you one better. I mean, we haven't, and I'm not saying

00:57:47.240 this is likely, but obviously Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin could 0.99

00:57:52.760 come down to that one blue dot in Nebraska, right? If Trump is able to win that, we'd be

00:58:00.200 going to get a 269-269 tie and go to the House of Representatives.

00:58:03.620 Wait, wait, but stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, because this stuff confuses me. So what would

00:58:06.800 get him to the blue dot in 269? All the Sun Belt. So it would have to be North Carolina,

00:58:12.240 Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada, right? All that, all four of those. And then what number would

00:58:19.160 that put him at?

00:58:21.540 That would put him, that would put, he would lose 270 to 268.

00:58:26.220 Okay. But then if Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, it was gone. Correct. The congressional

00:58:32.580 district in Nebraska, which is, we had a little bit of polling out there. Kamala Harris was 1.00

00:58:37.360 ahead. This is right around Omaha. It's a pretty liberal area. It would be a, this would also

00:58:41.480 be a sort of rabbit out of the hat. Yeah. Okay. He may have a better chance actually winning

00:58:47.280 there than he does in a place like New Hampshire, but. But if he, but if he wins, what I said is

00:58:51.460 correct, right, Tom, if he wins all the Sun Belt, those four states, including Nevada and

00:58:55.280 New Hampshire, he's got, he's got it. He's over 270. If he, if he won New Hampshire, he would. Yeah.

00:59:01.940 Yeah. And I realized New Hampshire is basically anything at that point, if he wins New Hampshire

00:59:05.680 or if he wins Virginia or if he wins New Mexico, but he would have to win one additional state to get

00:59:10.980 over 270. And I'm, I'm kind of making up that New Hampshire is even a thing. I mean, I have heard

00:59:16.660 people mention that he did visit it. It's not entirely impossible, but it is not a swing state and it

00:59:21.560 is not expected to go Republican. He would be much happier if he could just win Wisconsin or

00:59:26.180 Pennsylvania or Michigan. Go ahead, Tom. It is a state that Hillary Clinton only won by 2,700 votes

00:59:32.860 in 2016. So it's not out of the, now it did swing pretty hard for Joe Biden in 2020, but in, in other

00:59:39.980 ways, this, this map is looking a lot more like 2016. So it's not out of the question, but I think

00:59:45.320 to your point, it might be a little bit of a reach. Sean Trendy, uh, Reuters reporter Jarrett

00:59:50.920 Renshaw just reported as follows. Election night jitters are hitting Democrats hard. They don't

00:59:56.880 like what they are seeing in exit polls, particularly support for Trump among Latinos and black men.

01:00:03.260 Are you seeing those same trends?

01:00:06.880 We are. Again, Loudoun County is a county that's in demographic flux and Donald Trump doesn't shoot

01:00:13.860 up 10 points just on the backs of white voters though. We can also see some softness for Harris,

01:00:18.420 uh, in Southwestern Georgia, uh, where there's a lot of rural black voters, but I'm really excited

01:00:24.040 about, uh, just from a pure demographic nerd perspective is what happens to those counties

01:00:30.300 along the Rio Grande Valley. Those were counties that have voted for Democrats going back to LBJ.

01:00:35.460 Um, Donald Trump put a crack in the wall there. If he really does push it forward, we're talking

01:00:40.900 about a whole new political chapter for that area of the country. And it's very much possible,

01:00:45.140 uh, especially in a place like Florida. One other thing for you, Sean, um, Harry Anton,

01:00:51.140 uh, over at CNN reporting that in North Carolina, we now have nine counties with 95% or more of the

01:00:57.140 vote in, I don't know how many counties there are, uh, saying Trump is matching his 2020 performance

01:01:02.900 nearly exactly. That would be good news for Trump since he won that state. He won it by a little bit

01:01:08.760 more than a point last time around, but it seems like so far his performance in North Carolina

01:01:14.440 is strong. Yeah, there's a hundred counties in the state. So it's about, it's about 9% of the

01:01:21.720 counties in, but the fact that they're all, all the vote is in and he's holding serve in a state

01:01:27.080 that he won by a couple of points suggests that, you know, he's probably on his way to that Sunbelt

01:01:32.360 sweep we're talking about. It's going to come down to the Rust Belt. All right, Tom, this is the best

01:01:36.840 news I've seen for Trump tonight. Oh, by the way, this just in, this is not great news for Trump.

01:01:43.320 Um, News Nation, Decision Desk HQ, they are projecting that Kamala Harris has won Virginia,

01:01:50.360 which wouldn't come as a surprise, but it would remove one of the states that we just discussed

01:01:53.720 as like hail Mary path for Trump from that path. But listen to this, Tom Bevin, the latest rounds of

01:02:01.640 round of exit polling just hit at 9 PM. Um, and it's got data from 10 key states, white suburban women, 1.00

01:02:12.360 and this is significant, but white suburban women here. Let me see it. Hold on. I want to get it for you. 1.00

01:02:17.400 Uh, Trump is beating Harris with them 51 47. This is the first look we're really getting at

01:02:27.080 demographics from the 10 key states. The exit polling is looking at. And so far as of 9 PM

01:02:33.240 Eastern Trump is beating Harris 51 47 with white suburban women, Tom. 1.00

01:02:39.720 Well, I mean, okay, they're exit polls. We don't ever, I mean, I've done this long enough to know

01:02:49.880 that like, I, I just throw the exit polls in the garbage. I mean, they're, they're usually wrong.

01:02:54.120 Sometimes they're, sometimes they're catastrophically wrong. So I don't, they change,

01:02:57.480 they change dramatically like hour to hour. No, it's exactly. So I, but I want to go back to the

01:03:03.400 Rust Belt for a second because you know, the, the Pennsylvania, uh, and Michigan Wisconsin's the

01:03:10.520 state where we've had the biggest polling misses over the last two, you know, two cycles, 2016 and

01:03:15.000 2020 was like six points, big ones. And it didn't get better. It was like 11 points in 2020. Yeah.

01:03:22.840 Yeah. And it will, we had a poll that was 11 points and ended up, you know, Biden won it by less

01:03:26.200 than a point. So, I mean, it, it's been a really, really tough state for pollsters to, to gauge.

01:03:31.800 And, you know, we have Harris ahead there, but by less than half a percentage point in our average

01:03:36.920 of a bunch of different polls, there is some data suggesting that Trump could win that state.

01:03:40.760 And, you know, Mark Halpern has been reporting that, you know, he, he, his sources are saying

01:03:44.280 that Democrats are depressed about what's going on in Milwaukee and other places. So I think, um,

01:03:49.320 you know, if Harris does win Pennsylvania, she does win Michigan, it could come down to Wisconsin

01:03:55.080 again. And I mean, that state has been outside of Obama's win in 08 and 12,

01:04:01.000 it has been the closest state in the country, every single election. And it's been decided by

01:04:07.320 a total, I did this analysis a few months ago, something like 60,000 or 80,000 votes in four

01:04:12.760 elections. I mean, every time again, outside of Obama, um, it's been like 10,000 votes or 15,000

01:04:19.080 votes. It's been ridiculously close. And, and it might be that again tonight.

01:04:22.600 Hmm. Okay. We don't know much. We believe we know that she won Virginia, um, according to news

01:04:30.520 nation. Anyway, we don't have our own, our own independent decision desk here, but, uh,

01:04:35.160 that's being projected. Not a surprise. Uh, these guys are coming back in just a bit,

01:04:39.160 Tom and Sean. Thank you back to you in a, in a, uh, just a little while right now,

01:04:43.960 it's just after 9 PM. Eastern polls are closing in several key states. Uh, and back with me now to

01:04:50.600 discuss it all national reviews, Rich Lowry and Charles CW cook. We have moved them out of the

01:04:56.600 red studio and over to Doug Brunt's office where he writes the books, including diesel,

01:05:04.600 which everybody should buy and read the mysterious case of Rudolph diesel now available on paperback.

01:05:08.520 Uh, okay guys. So, you know, we, we keep saying it because we must, to be honest with the audience,

01:05:14.120 we're getting all this data in and we don't know whether it's worth the paper that it's printed on

01:05:18.040 the exit polls. Um, her projected win in Virginia, not a surprise, but if the polls are correct,

01:05:25.400 that he's doing better in with suburban women, rich than she is, it seems hard to believe that

01:05:34.440 that's going to hold, but at least at this hour, that's, that's amazing. Yeah, I wouldn't believe

01:05:41.800 it. I mean, if, if that's true, it's just that the election's over, right? We can, we can shut it

01:05:46.440 down now. He's going to win. So I I'm, I'm very skeptical of that. And we have real results coming

01:05:51.000 in now, so we don't need to rely on the exit polls necessarily. And we're looking at Georgia key

01:05:55.320 swing state where it looks as though in decision desk and New York times project based on results.

01:06:00.520 And, and both of them have Trump about 70% chance of winning Georgia. So that would be a key piece

01:06:05.240 of the Southern sunbelt strategy. He needs to, to, to get to 270.

01:06:10.360 Okay. So Charlie, I know one of the things you're looking at is what's happening down in Florida

01:06:13.720 with this ballot initiative that got Trump tripped up a little. He was asked if he was

01:06:19.000 going to vote for this ballot initiative that was going to enshrine the right to an abortion in the 0.81

01:06:23.000 Florida constitution. And, uh, they've, they've come to a decision on it.

01:06:30.280 Yeah. I mean, it's a tricky issue for Republicans because the country is not as pro-life as they'd like

01:06:35.960 it to be, uh, but the ballot failed. Uh, and that is the first time since the Dobbs decision that a

01:06:45.400 state has put abortion up in a referendum, uh, and had the pro-life side prevail. Uh, the threshold

01:06:54.600 in Florida is 60%. So it, it, it did get more than 50% and that ought to be acknowledged, but still

01:07:00.360 Ron DeSantis' performance as governor of Florida will go down in history. He's shifted the state

01:07:06.840 from a swing state to a, uh, red juggernaut. He's the first governor to have passed a six week

01:07:13.480 abortion ban and then successfully defended it in a referendum. Um, I mean, this is, this is a big

01:07:19.800 moment and, um, it's incredible when you think about Florida in 2016, which went to Trump in a,

01:07:26.760 in a shock, uh, narrow victory. So Charlie, how much of it is, uh, I was gonna, I just wonder how

01:07:35.160 much of it is DeSantis or, or how much of it is transplant, transplants or the kind of, kind of both?

01:07:40.360 Well, I think the reason I say that DeSantis is the, um, the focal point is because of COVID, right?

01:07:47.480 So I think a lot of this stuff was happening anyway. And, uh, if you go back to the election of Jeb

01:07:55.080 Bush in 1998, that's really when Florida starts to, uh, shed its democratic party, um, heritage

01:08:05.720 and, uh, to stop being an all boys network type state and to start attracting people from all over

01:08:12.200 and investment in business and so on. But just a shocking number of the people who have moved

01:08:17.480 into Florida and voted and registered Republican in the last five years have done so because of

01:08:24.120 how different the state was under COVID than where they came from, which is New York, New Jersey,

01:08:28.280 Pennsylvania, um, you know, the Midwest. I think, I think you have to give a lot of that credit to

01:08:34.520 DeSantis. Yeah. Just, just, uh, if one, it just shows how politics changes, right? Ohio and Florida

01:08:41.320 used to be the swing states and now just aren't even a factor on, on the, the map. And, uh, also

01:08:48.120 if, if just, if you looked at Florida in 2022, and now I say, everything's fine. Everything's

01:08:53.240 going to work out. Everything must be great because we're crushing it. Republicans are crushing it in

01:08:57.160 Florida and now, but we don't know because now Florida is kind of an outlier and how, how a Republican

01:09:01.720 it is. Yeah. And it works the other way around. It's funny. I went back recently and I watched the

01:09:06.360 coverage of the 2000 election because I wasn't here then. I didn't even really know what was happening.

01:09:11.640 And it's funny how the hosts on the CNN broadcast that I watched, you can see it all on YouTube,

01:09:17.880 talk about some states as if they're just self-evidently Republican. Virginia is one of them.

01:09:22.680 Yeah. They say, well, George W. Bush has won Virginia. Of course, you know, George W. Bush has won.

01:09:26.760 This was before West Virginia went Republican. Oh, that's true. That, that was a shock,

01:09:30.040 I think, when it happened. But, um, Colorado was another one. Well, of course he's won Colorado's

01:09:34.040 electoral votes. Whereas now he wouldn't. Yeah. Unimaginable. Florida, I just think,

01:09:38.680 again, over a short period of time to go from what it was to where it is now. And the New York

01:09:43.480 Times Siena poll said that Scott and Trump were going to win the state by 12 or 13 points. That's

01:09:48.840 what just happened from what I've seen. And they had to publish another piece defending themselves

01:09:53.960 saying, we think we're right about this, because there was still all of this residual sense that it

01:09:58.920 was in play. But it's not in play. It's changed. It's gone. So 2000, before your time,

01:10:03.480 but it was one of the great election nights I've ever experienced, because it's so dramatic,

01:10:06.520 because it's so close, a little like tonight might be, who knows, maybe it won't be. But, uh,

01:10:10.840 the media pulling back Florida after calling it was just extraordinary. Yeah, absolutely.

01:10:15.400 Um, another piece of news for you, Charlie, for your home state, they have apparently defeated

01:10:21.480 a ballot initiative that would have enshrined the right to smoke weed in the constitution. They are

01:10:28.280 not in favor of legalizing marijuana. And, um, so Florida, I mean, Ron DeSantis is kind of batting

01:10:35.400 a thousand on this to your point. And also an update for you guys on, these are not real numbers.

01:10:41.480 These are just the New York Times is needle projection on how they think this race is going.

01:10:48.040 Um, the New York Times is now saying that they're projecting Kamala Harris looks like she at this

01:10:57.400 rate will win the popular vote. Again, this is just a guess by 0.8, which would be no bueno for her, 0.96

01:11:06.440 because in order to, you know, to carry that victory over into the electoral college,

01:11:10.600 it would have to be by most, uh, estimates from the pollsters two points or more, certainly not

01:11:17.320 0.8. Uh, they have now increased the prediction for Trump's electoral college victory from 275.

01:11:27.240 He only needs 270 to 280. They had 275 to 263. Now they're saying they project it will be Trump 280,

01:11:34.280 Harris 258. Very interesting to see them doing this. And then decision desk HQ,

01:11:40.280 which I believe is working with news nation to make calls, um, is now giving Trump a 70% chance

01:11:45.960 of winning the election. Um, all of this is a little bit of voodoo. I hate to say that because

01:11:53.400 people say it too much, but it doesn't mean he's going to win. It just means he's looking strong

01:11:59.000 to them based on the initial data. And one last point, guys, um, the New York Times has not yet called

01:12:04.280 Virginia and the New York Times is Nate Cohn has tweeted out that Trump is doing much better in Virginia

01:12:10.520 than he did four years ago when he lost by 10 points. But there are very few places where he

01:12:15.720 is running 10 points better than he did last time. So in other words, he lost last time by 10 points,

01:12:24.520 and he's doing better than that this time. But there are very few places where he's running 10 points

01:12:31.880 better than he did last time. Maybe he means outside of Virginia. I'm actually not sure what that means.

01:12:35.640 He'll, he'll still lose, but he's not going to lose by 10 points. That is interesting guys,

01:12:42.680 that he's doing better in Virginia than he did the last time. And that more and more of the New

01:12:47.800 York Times is seem to be projecting as his decision desk HQ. It's looking like a strong

01:12:53.960 night for Donald Trump, Rich. Yeah. So Charlie and I are both sports fans. So we're just talking

01:12:59.080 earlier about if you follow any game on the ESPN app, the, the percentage odds of a team winning

01:13:04.280 does not necessarily, it can be too sensitive and it just something goes wrong and it changes.

01:13:09.400 But by the way, pro all props to you on the sports reference, the, the hail Mary pass.

01:13:13.160 Thank you. That was impressive.

01:13:14.520 Rich, you and Andy McCarthy have gotten me up to speed. I have to suffer through your sports talk.

01:13:20.360 Every week. Yeah. You've learned the argument. I do. I listen.

01:13:23.720 It seems as though Megan, you know, still early, but with, with Harris perhaps overperforming some

01:13:29.640 in Ohio and, and Trump seeming strong in Georgia and a little stronger than you would expect in

01:13:34.440 Virginia, this may set up the, the, uh, emphasize that the likeliest scenario for Harris is just

01:13:41.400 holding the blue wall by the skin of her teeth, barely winning the popular vote and just barely

01:13:46.360 winning the blue wall states. Um, well, while Trump sweeps, sweeps the Southern tier. And as you're

01:13:51.960 talking about with Tom and Sean, unless, you know, there's a miracle in New Hampshire where the last

01:13:55.880 time I looked, you know, he's behind by 10 points with about 25, 30% of the vote in, uh, unless that

01:14:01.320 happens, he needs one of them. He needs, he needs one and may needs one. Yep. Yeah. And so before we get

01:14:07.880 too far ahead of our skis. So yes, the data is looking good in some ways for Trump, but we haven't heard

01:14:13.720 any promising update from, or, or not promising, just nothing from Pennsylvania, Michigan, or

01:14:19.480 Wisconsin, since we started seeing vote come in, not one. And he does need one of those, unless he

01:14:25.560 pulls a rabbit out of his hat by getting a New Hampshire, in addition to Nevada. And, um, he's

01:14:30.100 not going to get Virginia. Now we know that. So don't, don't, don't start celebrating. It's way too

01:14:36.420 early. She could still win this thing. We're just reading little tea leaves here and there. All right.

01:14:40.680 More with rich and Charlie in just a bit here with me now, Spencer Kimball, he's executive director

01:14:45.180 of Emerson college polling. Spencer, thank you for joining me. So tell us what's jumped out at you so

01:14:49.760 far tonight. Well, listening in Megan, I think you've kind of touched on Trump over-performing

01:14:56.620 where some of the polls thought he was going to be and obviously where he was in 2020.

01:15:02.480 Okay. Is there anything in particular, any jurisdiction? Is there anything you can glean

01:15:06.720 from what he's done so far? Well, I mean, if we take a look at the real key states of Georgia

01:15:13.100 and North Carolina, our swing states, that's where Harris put a lot of money and efforts into this,

01:15:18.320 into the race. You know, we look at a state like Florida or Texas where Trump is running up the

01:15:22.760 numbers. Harris really didn't compete there. So in the states where she was competing, he's starting

01:15:27.840 to pick up two, three point advantage in Georgia. And if he can hold that number, that's a state that he

01:15:34.540 needs to take back that Biden was able to take. And then same thing in North Carolina. That's one

01:15:39.360 that Harris was looking to hold. If we jump up to Pennsylvania, I know that the numbers are early

01:15:44.840 there, but the concern for the Harris team is the early vote. And I'm sure you've discussed it.

01:15:50.320 They're down about 600,000 votes from 2020 when they had 1.6 million early votes. This time they

01:15:56.060 only have a million early votes. The Republicans held the 600,000 early votes from 2020 and kept it here

01:16:03.120 in 2024. So I think as we see that vote count come in Pennsylvania, that early count, that early vote

01:16:10.680 missed by Harris might actually cost her the election. Wow. The, um, the times just moved Georgia

01:16:18.680 and North Carolina from toss up to quote lean Trump. Um, they're doing this as they're seeing raw vote come

01:16:26.500 in and they like you, uh, understand where the raw vote is coming from, which counties, which counties are

01:16:33.780 still outstanding. All of that is what goes into making projections of these states. Um, so what do you

01:16:39.060 make of that? The fact that they've decided right now to move Georgia, they moved to lean Trump a little

01:16:46.160 while ago, just the second, they moved North Carolina from toss up to lean Trump.

01:16:49.880 Well, I mean, if we take a look at like even Indiana and Kentucky, Trump is overperforming

01:16:56.200 where he was. So there's this base of, of support that's coming out beyond where he was in 2020,

01:17:02.120 which was a very close election. So as we see that in these other states, it's appearing,

01:17:06.800 it's happening in the key swing States. And if they're happening in, uh, Georgia and in North

01:17:11.580 Carolina, where he's picking up more than what's to say Wisconsin, which was within a point,

01:17:16.580 doesn't swing in his direction based on what we're seeing in these other states around the country.

01:17:22.420 And even Ohio is up around nine, 10% right now, which is in that Midwest to give us a little bit

01:17:28.160 of a taste of where that might go. But Indiana again, gives us a little flavor as well, that

01:17:33.160 he seems to be doing what better than what was anticipated. And perhaps it's the rural vote that's

01:17:38.840 coming out at a pretty strong rate and very intense rate. Uh, not just 70, 75%, like 90.

01:17:45.820 We've been discussing, we've been discussing you and I for a while now, whether Trump would

01:17:49.920 outperform his polls or whether this would be a 2022 election where we expected a red wave and

01:17:56.120 we didn't get it. And, and the Democrats out, outperform the polls. Does it look to you right

01:18:01.580 now? Like Trump is out, outperforming his polls or is it too early to say? Well, I mean, based on what

01:18:09.040 we're seeing in the States that have counted their votes, he is outperforming those numbers,

01:18:13.220 sometimes by a larger amount, four or five points, but at least by two or three. And,

01:18:17.840 you know, Virginia has case in point, he's cut that lead in half where if the idea was that Harris

01:18:23.480 had momentum and was going to carry it, you would think that she'd at least hold it by nine, 10, 0.77

01:18:27.980 and maybe she will. But right now it's a tied race. And, uh, that's beyond the expectation,

01:18:33.260 I think of what was going to be in play tonight. So far, Spencer, do you see evidence of a surge

01:18:39.460 of female voters turning out in greater numbers than expected, greater numbers than we saw in

01:18:45.340 2020 for Harris? No, not on the Eastern seaboard. What we expected in Georgia is a 55, 45, uh,

01:18:56.220 female to male split. That's what we traditionally see in Georgia. And that's what we're seeing right 1.00

01:19:00.440 now for Harris. She would want to see that number closer to 57, 43, and we're just not seeing that.

01:19:06.440 And that's why I guess Georgia has been moved over or moving over to the Trump column.

01:19:10.840 Now, as we get up into Pennsylvania, remember, there's just three States where you have to look

01:19:15.860 at Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and depending on how those play out in the next hour or so,

01:19:22.440 uh, you know, we'll see where the election goes, but there could be an early call,

01:19:26.320 particularly as those votes get counted in Wisconsin. I've got to ask you about the

01:19:30.920 Ann Seltzer Des Moines Register poll. She had Trump down three, Kamala Harris up three, 1.00

01:19:37.780 leading him by three in the red state of Iowa. You guys did a similar poll, like same time

01:19:45.000 and showed Trump beating her by 10. So diametrically opposed results. Um, you guys are gold. They say

01:19:53.740 she's gold. So what did you make of her poll? Oh, it was a great opportunity for iron against 1.00

01:20:01.520 iron, steel against steel. We see how it matches up probably at the end of the day. When you see

01:20:06.280 two numbers that are so out like that, you add them together and it's going to land in the middle.

01:20:10.300 So I would expect Trump to win by six, seven points in Iowa, but that's how polling works.

01:20:15.580 You sometimes get an outlier on one side or the other. And obviously we'll see what the votes look

01:20:19.920 like tonight. But, uh, or the early indication is that, uh, it's tracking more like 2020 and not

01:20:26.320 some, uh, different turnout than, uh, what her numbers were looking like. And what happened in

01:20:31.640 2020 in Iowa? Trump won by eight. No, that's right. That's right. And she had projected seven. So she,

01:20:38.760 she got pretty close on that one. Spencer, thank you so much. Great to speak with you. Great.

01:20:43.380 Thank you, Megan, for having me as always. All right. Joining me now, the three hosts of the

01:20:48.140 Morning Meeting, a fast growing interactive show on the Two Way YouTube channel. Mark Halperin is

01:20:53.640 editor in chief of Two Way. Dan Turrentine. Tyne is a former democratic strategist. And Sean Spicer is

01:20:59.680 host of the Sean Spicer Show. Guys, welcome back. I mean, I started the show by saying we know nothing

01:21:06.560 about nothing until we know something about something. Um, we're starting to glean little bits,

01:21:11.780 just little bits of information. I'll start with you on it, Mark. What, what have you learned that

01:21:16.660 you think is real? Well, there's nothing fully real, but I think Donald Trump is, is in a position

01:21:24.040 to win and maybe win by dawn. Uh, and the boiler room in Mar-a-Lago is very confident about three

01:21:31.100 states, which would put him one state away. They're very confident about Georgia. They're very confident

01:21:35.340 about North Carolina and they're very confident about Wisconsin. There's going to be a delay in

01:21:39.440 Wisconsin because of some counting problems in Milwaukee. But if they're right, and there's not a lot

01:21:44.580 of pushback from, uh, from Wilmington on, on those three states, if they're, if Mar-a-Lago's right,

01:21:51.180 Trump will be one state away. And he's likely to get that state in Arizona, if not Pennsylvania or

01:21:55.880 Michigan. Wait, I had somebody in my ear. Which state do you think he's going to get? You think

01:22:02.880 he's going to get Wisconsin? Is that what you said? Mar-a-Lago believes he's going to get Wisconsin.

01:22:07.640 Okay. This just in, speaking of Mar-a-Lago where Trump is tonight, uh, with his viewing party with

01:22:15.880 more than this is New York times with more than 95% of the vote reported Donald Trump appears to

01:22:19.700 have flipped Miami-Dade County in Florida, home to a large Cuban American population and one of the

01:22:25.620 state's largest counties. The county has typically voted for Democrats with Biden winning there by seven

01:22:31.580 points in 2020. And, uh, Sean Spicer, it looks like Trump has flipped it to, from blue to red,

01:22:38.980 pretty significant margin. Cuban American, Cubans are more conservative, um, Hispanic Americans, but,

01:22:46.980 you know, so it's not a huge surprise that they might be among the first to switch over to team

01:22:51.620 Trump, but it doesn't appear that they were offended by the Puerto Rico thing and, uh, a pretty

01:22:56.180 significant accomplishment for Donald Trump. Huge, significant accomplishment. I mean, look,

01:23:02.840 we're seeing some signs here. Um, I, I said this earlier today. We've talked about it in the morning

01:23:06.900 meeting. You look at Rhode Island, Joe Biden got about 60% of the vote in Rhode Island last time.

01:23:11.860 Right now, she's at 52% with 70% of the precincts reporting. That's not good. You look at Virginia, 0.99

01:23:17.900 where I live in Virginia, there was a 10 point spread in 2020. Right now, she's at 50%, 56% in Loudoun County,

01:23:25.900 Loudoun County, very voter rich for the Dems, home to a lot of federal workers, political activists.

01:23:30.720 Biden got 61%. She's at 56% with almost every precinct reporting. That's not good for the

01:23:36.540 Democrats. Right now, Donald Trump is ahead in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I don't know that

01:23:42.180 that's going to hold, but right now that's not a good sign for them. So it's, we're seeing a lot of,

01:23:47.100 of movement, whether it's Miami-Dade in Florida, Rhode Island, Virginia, that's not where they want to be.

01:23:53.620 And all of my texts back and forth with the Trump campaign tonight, they're looking at outside of

01:23:58.600 Philadelphia, she's not performing where she needs to in some of those key precincts. They're 0.99

01:24:03.060 overperforming. They're very happy with how their early vote operation went and, and they feel bullish

01:24:08.680 on Pennsylvania as well. So look, right now, this is looking very, very good for Donald Trump. And,

01:24:15.260 and also, by the way, for, for a Republican Senate that could be anywhere from 53, 54, 55 right now,

01:24:23.180 they've already secured basically a majority. All right. Let me ask you another follow-up,

01:24:27.820 Sean. Back in 2020, when Trump lost, were you getting the same, yay, messaging from Team Trump

01:24:34.940 at this point? Like, were you getting spun or were they being honest, like, rough night?

01:24:39.460 Uh, it was, it's a lot of excuses. You know, we're not seeing this now, but we still think there's

01:24:47.260 hope or we haven't seen the 18th precinct and the West side come through. I mean, they're all,

01:24:52.440 they were buying hope. They were spinning as to just stay with us, stay with us. Right now,

01:24:57.200 the texts that I'm getting are all like happy emoji, right? It's, we're killing it here. We're

01:25:01.920 overperforming there. You don't do this. You don't set those kinds of expectations. Uh, if you don't

01:25:07.820 feel like you're on a good track, right? You buy time, you make excuses. We're seeing a team all,

01:25:13.920 all over, uh, the reports coming out of Mar-a-Lago, uh, that they feel very good about

01:25:19.660 where they are. And I would also say from folks that I'm hearing in the Senate races as well,

01:25:24.640 this is going to, this could potentially be a very, very big night for the Republican side.

01:25:28.500 I'm taking it. Those emojis. I'm taking those emojis are not coming from Dan. Uh,

01:25:33.200 who I'll get to in one second. By the way, I'm at, I will just tell you, I I'm, I'm sitting here now

01:25:38.520 three flights above an election party at the heritage foundation and whatever they just put

01:25:43.960 on television, the screams basically vibrated through the floor, three floors above where I

01:25:49.660 am right now. So something's going on. Uh, well, why don't you tell them to go work on project 2025

01:25:54.740 and stop celebrating because they were not particularly helpful in this election. Go

01:25:59.380 ahead, Mark. You were going to make a point. Just to back up what Sean said, you know,

01:26:03.980 being a reporter means understanding your sources and, and when they're spinning and when they're

01:26:08.620 credible, what, what coming out of Mar-a-Lago, maybe they'll turn out to be wrong, but it's supreme

01:26:13.360 confidence. It's, it's macro confidence. It's not let us convince you of this, or here's what we're

01:26:18.160 looking at that. It's we've won these States. Okay. All right, Dan, what are you hearing from team blue?

01:26:24.120 Yeah. Well, okay. It's the opposite end of the spectrum here. I mean, Republicans are confident

01:26:30.460 and are pointing to data. They're pointing to precincts. They're pointing to demographics

01:26:34.640 that they're overperforming with or hitting their targets. The other side is just it. My side is

01:26:40.520 hope and hope is not a strategy. There is really no, uh, in, in, in none of the swing States right now,

01:26:47.560 are they saying, Hey, just wait, like in 2020 and even in 2012, the, the, the, the, the, the campaign

01:26:55.340 would say, look, just wait, this precinct's about to come in. We've hit this voter target. And this

01:27:00.480 goes back to the early vote, right? Democrats have just been saying like, Oh, it's apples to oranges.

01:27:05.720 It was COVID. It was a COVID year. Like, you know, there, you shouldn't pay too much attention,

01:27:10.380 but all the things we've talked about and including on your show on, in, in previous installments,

01:27:15.220 it looks like Trump is overperforming with, uh, black men. He's overperforming with Latinos. 0.97

01:27:20.080 Uh, Harris is struggling with working class voters. He's running up huge margins in the rural areas

01:27:25.740 and urban centers. Mark mentioned Wisconsin by all accounts, turnout, uh, specifically black

01:27:32.480 turnout in Milwaukee did not hit the desired target for Democrats. And given the, the big surge in,

01:27:38.900 in rural parts of Wisconsin, Harris would have to really, really run up the suburbs. And there is

01:27:44.640 nothing pointing, uh, that, that, that she's done that. So, you know, you keep hope alive,

01:27:49.900 but it is not looking good at this hour. Um, if you're a Democrat, Megan, I think we have the

01:27:54.580 first projection anyone has made in a battleground States decision desk. HQ is projecting Trump

01:28:00.440 victory in North Carolina, North Carolina. That's big. That's very big. Yeah. Fox news decision.

01:28:07.320 I think they'll call Georgia soon. And yep. They're the pieces. Actually, Fox news decision

01:28:12.580 desk is projecting now that Senator Ted Cruz will win a third term, defeating democratic

01:28:17.580 Congressman Colin Allred. Thank God. Thank God. It's so nice to just be able to say how I really

01:28:24.580 feel and not be on Fox where I have to pretend I don't care. I care. Colin Allred is a liar.

01:28:30.040 He wants boys in every single girl's sport. He lied about it. Five, he voted for it five times

01:28:35.800 and then lied about it. 10 more on you, Colin Allred. Goodbye. Okay. Sorry. Um, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

01:28:41.860 Decision desk. HQ projecting Trump wins North Carolina. And wow, Mark, I mean, that's huge. They,

01:28:48.400 that was, she was just there. She would, did not, we had a report. She pulled 2 million in advertising,

01:28:52.740 but then she kept going back there. So it was clear she was not seeding it.

01:28:58.140 She personally felt it was her best of the Sunbelt States. She felt an affinity for,

01:29:02.700 you know, the university communities, the fact that, uh, there was a bit, it's a, it's a,

01:29:07.020 the pro state in some ways. I, it was confusing to a lot of Republicans. My best Republican source in

01:29:13.380 North Carolina told me he wasn't even going to pull the state because he didn't feel it was possible

01:29:17.920 for her to win it. So it, it shows you that for all the change that occurred in the democratic party

01:29:24.760 and in the race, when Harris replaced Biden, that a state like North Carolina, which Biden wasn't

01:29:31.380 going to win, perhaps was always out of reach for, for Harris. And that, again, the view of a lot of

01:29:36.040 Republicans, but they had to try to have a great, an alternative to simply win the inside straight

01:29:41.240 of one path to exactly 270. And if North Carolina was her best bet, it turns out maybe it wasn't a very

01:29:47.260 good one. Mm-hmm. And so Dan, how will this be spun by the Kamala Harris team?

01:29:54.460 You mean North Carolina specifically? Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I think they'll say their best path was always

01:30:01.260 through the blue wall that they, it, it was a lot closer than it would have been if it were Biden at

01:30:07.080 the top of the ticket. Um, and they have pointed in the last few days to Georgia as the state where

01:30:13.780 they thought, you know, they had a real chance. There was talk over the weekend that late vote

01:30:18.820 was improving day by day in Georgia. They felt like the turnout today was looking pretty good in

01:30:25.160 the morning, but you know, governor Kemp has been by, and Mark can speak more to this, has been saying

01:30:31.020 that he felt pretty confident that it was going to go for team Trump. And based on the vote that's

01:30:35.920 coming in in Georgia, Trump is overperforming in the rural areas and in air and in several suburban

01:30:41.700 parts, Harris is underperforming Biden. So it's just hard to see when, when Biden won the state by

01:30:47.000 such a small margin where she's going to make up the difference right now. They are, um, the New York

01:30:54.560 Times needle is now officially changing the chance of winning to leaning Trump with a 66% chance of winning.

01:31:02.740 I mean, all the data on the New York times, basically all night long, Sean has been moving

01:31:07.620 toward Trump, leaning Trump, Trump that their latest was predict predicting the likelihood is

01:31:13.200 that Trump will win 280 to 258 in the electoral college over her. Do we put any stock in that at

01:31:20.600 all? I mean, I do recall, wasn't, wasn't it the needle that told us Hillary Clinton had like a 98,

01:31:25.980 93% chance of winning in six. I remember the damn needle.

01:31:29.140 I was there. I recall that very much. It's a very different feeling now. I was telling someone

01:31:36.500 earlier today, Megan, in 2016, we felt good, but we were told by everyone that we couldn't win.

01:31:41.320 So it's this weird juxtaposition this year. It's the opposite where all the data looked really good,

01:31:46.420 but we were told that it's going to be super close. You brought up the Iowa poll a moment ago

01:31:50.780 that came out over the weekend. I will tell you that if Trump does win, I have this pegged at 306

01:31:56.140 electoral votes for Trump on my, on my road to 270 map. If this is that kind of a night for Donald

01:32:02.560 Trump, 306, 312, somewhere in there, and the Iowa result is somewhere in the eight to 10

01:32:09.160 Trump margin, the media is going to have even more egg on their face. I mean, the idea that

01:32:14.020 they ran with some of these narratives really shows that they didn't take the time to understand

01:32:18.860 the electorate. After the 2016 election, I sat down with the most senior people at NBC News

01:32:24.100 at, uh, uh, right days afterwards. And the direct quote was, we missed it. We didn't get you folks.

01:32:30.740 And as a result, they, uh, their, their sort of resolve was to put up pop-up bureaus and quote,

01:32:36.280 fly over country to understand the Trump voter. Uh, I think we're going to have the whole same

01:32:41.280 conversation over again, which is how did you guys miss this? And the answer is they ignored key signs

01:32:47.080 that they didn't want to pay attention to. And then as soon as they tried to understand it,

01:32:50.880 they started writing books about white rage and how terrible the flyover country is and how we

01:32:56.100 shouldn't be listening to those people ever again. I saw them all over on MSNBC pushing these books.

01:33:00.640 Go ahead, Mark. Two things. One over on MSNBC, both Lawrence O'Donnell and Jen Psaki are now

01:33:07.220 ruminating on the evils of the electoral college. Uh, that doesn't sound like a gang that thinks that

01:33:12.200 thinks that they're going to win the election under the rules of the electoral college.

01:33:15.700 The other is just to clarify, the New York times needle is exactly as accurate as a broken Ouija

01:33:20.860 board. That's, that's, that's how you should consider its rigor. Why are we looking at the

01:33:27.320 needle? We have nothing else to look at. That's why go ahead. Keep going. It's funny. It's funny.

01:33:30.980 It's funny to look at. I think that what you're seeing in the exit polls and the exit polls aren't

01:33:34.660 necessarily going to be right. And even the final versions are, you know, treated like stone tablets.

01:33:39.500 They're really not. But what you're seeing is Trump doing well with all the groups that

01:33:44.200 he's been doing well with and that the Democrats said, wasn't going to happen. He's doing well

01:33:49.020 with black voters, including black men. He's doing well with Hispanic men. He's doing well

01:33:53.200 with independence. And this whole notion, it's one of the biggest mistakes Democrats have made

01:33:57.660 and the media have made about Donald Trump since 2015. This whole notion that he's all about the

01:34:02.060 quote unquote extreme MAGA base is just not true because the reason he's on the precipice of being

01:34:08.760 reelected is because he's, he's found a way to appeal on issues, not on personality, not on style,

01:34:15.580 but on issues to a lot of people who are not normally thought of as the extreme MAGA base.

01:34:21.360 Yeah. And Megan, these signs have been apparent that these signs started appearing in the beginning

01:34:27.500 of this calendar year. I mean, they were present during Biden's run and when Harris got the nomination,

01:34:35.780 which is the vote, the groups that Mark just mentioned, aren't just dissatisfied with the

01:34:41.500 Democratic Party. They affirmatively like Donald Trump on policy. And that is such a harder thing

01:34:48.120 to break a voter away from somebody who likes someone than if they're just sitting out and

01:34:53.340 thinking like, I won't vote. And that, you know, it's just, it's been plain as day, a lot of these

01:35:00.040 problems and it's playing out. And I'll just add that, you know, I tip my hat to David Plough and the

01:35:04.820 Harris campaign in the last week and a half, they really did kind of turn the public tide,

01:35:11.100 the Titanic maybe might be a better way to put it as this night goes on, that they had a chance

01:35:16.360 and they kind of threw out like different shiny red balls that both within the party and the media

01:35:21.960 latched onto that, you know, oh, we're seeing late breakers are going two to one to us and, oh,

01:35:29.060 we like what we see with who's left. But they were not talking about the problem with Black men,

01:35:34.700 the problem in the suburb, like all these areas that they were having problems. And it is amazing

01:35:40.040 how many Democrats came into today feeling optimistic, even though there was no concrete

01:35:45.460 data that backed that up. I mean, I do tip my hat. They recognize the problem with Black men. They sent 1.00

01:35:51.100 Barack Obama out to shame them. That didn't seem to work well. Shockingly, that doesn't actually

01:35:56.760 move the needle. But Dan, let me ask you this. Is there anything good on the Democratic side?

01:36:02.580 Because I don't want to get ahead of ourselves and start assuming Trump's got this when it's only

01:36:08.140 936. I will. I am not looking at my phone right now. But when I last did, there were not many bright

01:36:17.040 spots. I'm curious, some of these Senate races, does a Bob, you know, obviously we have to think

01:36:21.120 about Pennsylvania on the presidential level. But, you know, does Bob Casey survive? Does Tammy

01:36:25.820 Baldwin? Does Elise Slotkin in Michigan? I'm watching Nevada. Does Jackie Rosen hold on

01:36:33.980 out there? The NRSC pumped a lot of money in the last week. You know, the House, we've talked about

01:36:40.440 it on the morning meeting. We started this year, the calendar year, saying that the Democrats were

01:36:46.500 going to potentially get the House back because it was a presidential year. Harris was going to do

01:36:51.000 really, or Biden, we're going to do really well in the New York and California suburbs. And this was

01:36:56.660 the secret taking the House back. Now we're ending this election cycle talking about how strong Trump

01:37:01.560 is on Long Island, how strong he is in blue suburbs. And there's pessimism. I mean, the House is going to

01:37:08.040 be close. But the optimism that was there a couple months ago has slowly dissipated. And House races

01:37:16.020 trickle in later, you know, often over a week or two, but not looking good right now on team.

01:37:22.280 Go ahead. Go ahead, Sean. Megan, real quick. I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to go in a second. But just

01:37:27.140 real quick, Trump continued to grow his lead in Virginia. It's not huge, but he's continued to

01:37:31.720 grow it in Rhode Island, almost, you know, almost 80% of the precincts and Kamala Harris stuck at 53%.

01:37:37.760 Again, that's down from 60 where Biden was. But Dan, I did I did have a source in Wilmington that I just

01:37:43.720 checked with some good news for you. If you're at the headquarters in Wilmington, there's a bar in

01:37:48.580 the back with a shorter line. That's that's the good news for team heirs tonight. We have water here

01:37:55.460 tonight. Yes. Oh, we got booze here in the red studio. You guys will come the next time. Mark,

01:38:00.560 Dan, Sean, we will see you in just a bit. They're coming back to join us after a short time.

01:38:04.580 Thank you, Megan. Don't go too far. Back with me now on set are Rich Lowry and Charlie Cook of National

01:38:09.000 Review. I'm starting to feel less less of the pit in the stomach. I'm starting to feel better.

01:38:13.600 I don't want to count chickens. It's scary. Right. Because we've seen these things flip.

01:38:18.100 Remember 2020. Right. Go to bed. I think Trump has won. You wake up the wave. I don't know that

01:38:25.320 this is even possible this time around, however, because the mail in vote is just not what it was

01:38:30.660 in 2020. Yeah. So if you're a Democrat, I think that the hope is what seemed always the most likely

01:38:35.900 path for her is still there. Right. We barely know anything about the blue wall, Pennsylvania,

01:38:39.820 Michigan or Wisconsin. Now, it's important for Trump. He seems to have secured North Carolina.

01:38:45.000 Georgia is trending that way. I have a friend in Georgia. They just moved Arizona to a lean

01:38:49.840 R and The New York Times as opposed to toss up. And if you believe the exit polls, he's winning

01:38:54.240 45 percent of the Hispanic vote, which bode well in Arizona and perhaps probably Nevada as well. But

01:39:00.540 even if he wins those, he needs Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania. So if he's just winning

01:39:07.140 North Carolina and Georgia, you can forget about Arizona and Nevada if he wins Pennsylvania.

01:39:11.280 But he's going to need one of those. And we just don't have any data what's happening there. So

01:39:18.300 this seemed the stronger states for her. And we don't have the returns yet. That would be my big

01:39:23.760 note of caution. These are just harbingers, possibly, though, of Trump's strength and that

01:39:29.220 he's running better with certain groups. And those groups also exist in these other states. And also that

01:39:35.140 she's not running away with it with women in particular. They don't seem to be getting 0.99

01:39:39.600 her over the hump in North Carolina or now, again, Georgia has moved to lean R. Arizona has moved to

01:39:46.500 lean R. So what she needed, the groundswell of women, it doesn't seem to be working, at least in 0.99

01:39:53.500 the Sun Belt, Charlie. Yeah. So same caveat. She can win those three states and win the election. And it's 1.00

01:39:58.700 what, 270 to 268. And then there'll be a lot of fighting over the census, which was done really

01:40:04.900 badly. And if it had been done better, you've got to blame Republican governors to some extent for

01:40:08.740 this. Can you explain this, too? Because this has been an ongoing. Yeah. So wait, wait, let me just

01:40:13.020 interrupt you. Fox News decision desk projects a win for Harris in New Hampshire. Okay. That's

01:40:17.560 interesting. Now, Trump made an unexpectedly strong showing, they report. But Harris's success in urban

01:40:23.420 centers and suburban areas secured her victory. So that does eliminate one path. That eliminates a path 1.00

01:40:29.100 for Trump that would be the Sun Belt, including Nevada, plus New Hampshire without it. He needs a blue 0.79

01:40:33.980 wall. Sorry, keep going. Right. So I forget the exact allocation, but Florida, Texas, I think North

01:40:40.800 Carolina, maybe Georgia should between them have an extra three electoral college votes if the census had 0.99

01:40:47.660 been done properly. Now, this gets very complicated and there's fights over it. And from what I

01:40:52.540 understand, there was not enough attention paid to this by the governors of those states. And I think

01:40:58.580 they should have taken electoral college votes away from California, maybe New York, one other state.

01:41:03.740 The point is, is that if she ends up winning 270 to 260, it's totally fine. Those are the rules we

01:41:08.820 have. It's a legitimate win. But a lot of people are going to say, why didn't you fight to get that

01:41:13.440 extra vote for Florida? Because if she had lost Georgia and North Carolina and Arizona right now under

01:41:21.220 that proper apportionment, then Trump would have won. Wow. So then he wouldn't need a blue wall.

01:41:26.260 Right. So that's at least by 2030 that the blue wall strategy is going away because those Sun Belt 0.99

01:41:33.420 states have just gained so many people. So I just want to be very clear. I'm not saying she won't have

01:41:37.040 won legitimately. She will. But you're going to see a lot of complaining about that. So that caveat aside,

01:41:42.220 I mean, if if it is true that Trump is doing really well with women relative to expectations,

01:41:49.100 better in the suburbs than expectations and better among Hispanics, then a lot of people,

01:41:55.580 myself included, are just going to have to reevaluate how we saw how he interacted with the electorate.

01:42:00.780 Right. Because, you know, one of the arguments that I have many arguments against Trump,

01:42:05.260 I've made them on the show, I didn't vote for him for the as a result. But one of the analytical

01:42:08.640 arguments that I've made is that he is very weak around suburban women. And, you know, there was

01:42:13.440 that there was an aversion there. If big if if that's not true, well, then you've got to reimagine

01:42:18.480 it. Right. It's hard to believe it's not true. You know, net net. I mean, it really is like all

01:42:22.940 the polls showed this gender gap. It was the main story of this entire election. But of course, 0.98

01:42:27.820 we've gotten the main stories wrong before. So I suppose. Yeah. To Charlie's point,

01:42:32.560 Russ Douthat in The New York Times had an arresting formulation about this. He was talking to some

01:42:37.060 never Trump colleagues. Of course, they're all never Trump there. So that's that's I'm not defining it

01:42:41.900 very narrowly. But I said, what if I told you in 2016 where you're against Trump and he thought

01:42:46.580 you'd go away in aberration that there'd be a Republican nominee in 2024 who'd be overperforming

01:42:52.360 among Hispanics, probably overperforming among black men, have the most exciting, adventurous 1.00

01:42:57.300 entrepreneur on his side, have a Kennedy on his side, a former Democratic congressman on his side,

01:43:03.000 winning on the three most important issues in the election. Wouldn't you have thought, you know,

01:43:06.560 well, we won. But that's all happened. Right. With with Trump. So it just it goes to

01:43:11.520 just extraordinary quality he has to say, like any of these last things that have been

01:43:16.620 controversies the last week and a half probably would have sunk most people just in the week

01:43:20.180 and a half. Right. And then you go 10 years of that and he's stronger than he's ever been.

01:43:24.440 And on the cusp of the presidency, it's just an extraordinary political and personal achievement.

01:43:29.980 I really think part of it goes back to the fact that people feel like they know Donald Trump.

01:43:33.860 They forgive all these things because they they feel they know his heart, his character.

01:43:37.920 And they're just quick to overlook all of that in the same way that, you know, I don't know.

01:43:42.400 I liken it to sort of my relationship with my husband. I always have the most generous lens

01:43:46.140 on him. I don't jump to, oh, he did that evilly or because he wanted to hurt me. I always jump to

01:43:50.400 he loves me and we're good. And I think they have the same lens on him. Stand by, guys. Joining me

01:43:54.860 now, former 2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy. He's live from Mar-a-Lago, where the

01:44:00.640 president is right now, the former president. Vivek's also the host of his own podcast called

01:44:05.020 The Truth Podcast. Vivek, welcome back to the show. What do you make of what we've seen

01:44:09.140 so far?

01:44:11.880 Look, I'm, you know, I'm in Mar-a-Lago, so I got to say, got to make sure I'm not a subject

01:44:16.600 to my own algorithmic or even now physical echo chamber. But I do think that it's going

01:44:21.180 not well, but very well, actually, for Donald Trump, for Republicans. Typically, even if you're

01:44:27.200 looking at counties where historically this haven't been contested in contested states, these

01:44:32.180 things still don't have correlations for how it's going across the board. And so the atmosphere

01:44:36.460 here is, you know, I stepped out of this dinner I'm in, but just given to you in kind of real

01:44:40.420 time, very positive. And I think very positive for a good reason. And I think we could be

01:44:45.640 looking at a big majority in the Senate. And I think we're going to be looking at potentially

01:44:49.480 an earlier than even expected call for Donald Trump, where we are not going to be waiting

01:44:54.320 days for this to play out. That's where we are right now.

01:44:56.740 Has it gotten more positive over the past two hours and 45 minutes?

01:45:04.220 Yeah, yeah. No, I think it is. I think over the last hour and a half, I think it has become,

01:45:10.800 I think the environment's palpably more positive. And, you know, I think for good reason based

01:45:14.500 on what I'm seeing as well.

01:45:15.280 Well, let's talk about that. Because what do you make of the thing that Rich was just

01:45:18.160 saying about how, you know, there's Trump, of course, is his normal controversial self,

01:45:24.860 but it does not appear at least so far to have resonated with these core groups that we were

01:45:31.040 told might be repulsed by the comics comment at MSG. He's doing very well with Hispanics or

01:45:39.180 whatever else he's done. It seems like she's not crushing him with the women. I mean, what do you

01:45:43.900 think it is about Trump and Trump's messaging that has gotten him here?

01:45:49.360 I think it's a little bit different than something that's about Donald Trump or whether it's his,

01:45:53.580 you know, sense of humor or sense of ability to people to relate to him, which I think is a valid

01:45:57.720 point you made, Megan. I think it's something different this time, which is the fact that this

01:46:01.200 is a historic election where you get to actually compare a guy who was actually in office for four

01:46:07.040 years and was out of office, but very visible as the opposition for four years as well.

01:46:11.320 So I think it was like, what, Grover Cleveland the last time the United States of America had this,

01:46:15.100 what was the late 1880s. So since then, we haven't had that opportunity. And I think what

01:46:19.000 you're seeing here is nothing that Donald Trump says, let alone some comedian introducing him

01:46:23.120 who he didn't know about in Madison Square Garden as a proxy. That's not going to shake people's

01:46:27.160 opinion of a guy who they've had as their U.S. president who was making policy decision and personal

01:46:33.080 decisions by Twitter, whether or not you like it, that was Donald Trump. And we've had him for four

01:46:37.960 years. And so I think in some ways, the idea that even in the late stages of this race,

01:46:43.180 that some small thing that he said, or a surrogate said, or a non-surrogate said could somehow tip this

01:46:48.420 race, no matter how the media wanted to spin it, was a bit of probably a wishful myth from the people

01:46:53.040 who oppose him, like him or not, that people know exactly what they're getting. And I think that

01:46:57.640 that's part of what made this race so unshakable. Try as they might, and every method they did try, 1.00

01:47:03.960 and we can sort of delineate and beat that dead horse many times over from ballot removals to,

01:47:09.480 you know, frankly, for crazy people, assassination attempts to switching a candidate at the top of

01:47:13.760 the ticket. Nothing really, I think, was capable of shaking this through the end because people know

01:47:19.120 exactly what they're getting with them. And that's what they're voting for is what they got for those

01:47:23.340 four years. That's at least what I see in this.

01:47:25.060 Not to mention the lawfare. So what do you think, Vivek, while I have you, I got to ask you the

01:47:31.360 speculative question. I mean, if he does win this thing tonight or overnight, explain what you think

01:47:37.980 will happen, you know, because we look at this team that he's put together, yourself included,

01:47:43.040 and Nicole Shanahan put together this great closing ad. It was sort of like the Marvel superheroes,

01:47:47.700 all these unusual friends coming together, right? From Bobby Kennedy to you, to Nicole, to Elon,

01:47:56.740 JD, you know, what, it's just, it's something we haven't seen before in modern political history.

01:48:02.640 What does that look like as Trump takes the oath of office?

01:48:06.980 Yeah, look, I think that, I mean, most of that group that you named is right here. I think maybe

01:48:11.140 everyone in that group is here tonight. And I think one of the things that's remarkable about it is that

01:48:16.200 we don't all agree on a hundred percent of nitty gritty policy questions. And that's part of what

01:48:20.740 makes this new kind of alliance a beautiful thing in American politics to say that we agree on the

01:48:25.820 basic rules of the road, even if we have some policy differences on what level of state action or

01:48:31.760 muscular state intervention we want in some particular economic question. Those are questions

01:48:36.420 for another day. So I think what we're going to see in phase one of this as Donald Trump takes

01:48:40.280 office in January 20th is, I hope, and I think it's going to be the case, Megan, a kind of national

01:48:45.580 unity we haven't seen in a really long time. Multiple former Democrats involved in some way,

01:48:50.920 multiple independents, multiple of us who ran against Donald Trump, multiple people who are

01:48:55.020 outsiders coming from the world of business to go in and shake up the government. And I don't think

01:48:59.360 we're going to go incrementally. I think we're going to go, I think we're going to go big, go big,

01:49:05.260 go early. And I think that that's good for the benefit of the country. And I think that's going to be

01:49:09.640 a phase of uniting the country against the bureaucracy, against the unelected managerial

01:49:14.940 class and three-letter agencies that have for too long been making policy. I think that's going to

01:49:19.040 be phase one of those. I think necessarily because of the fact that, you know, this was not people who

01:49:24.840 are 100% policy aligned on every micro question. I think if you roll this forward two, three,

01:49:29.060 four years, you're going to see healthy then debates emerge within the America First movement

01:49:34.020 itself about the level of state interventionism we want. Do we want to use the regulatory state

01:49:39.640 to accomplish our objectives? Or do we want to get in there and actually finish the job of just

01:49:43.280 shutting it down all the way? Where are we on questions of declaring economic independence from

01:49:47.780 China versus, you know, trade that's required to enhance that or make that happen? Where are we on the

01:49:52.360 question of legal immigration? We're all vehemently opposed to illegal immigration, but where are we on

01:49:57.460 legal immigration? So I think it's going to come in two phases, where in the first phase of this,

01:50:01.600 we're going to see a kind of unity that goes beyond just unity in the Republican Party, but frankly,

01:50:05.980 unity for the country by bringing together this truly diverse and not in the democratic identity 1.00

01:50:11.000 politics sense of diverse, but an actually diverse coalition that revives and infuses, I think,

01:50:17.260 a kind of spirit we've been missing in our national character for a long time. And then I think that

01:50:22.140 will lay the groundwork for what I think can be some healthy, constructive debates on some of the

01:50:27.160 smaller but still more important policy questions in the long run for the Republican Party.

01:50:31.460 And I think the America First movement will be stronger for having that debate, but I think

01:50:34.820 that's not going to come in year one. I think in year one, we're going to see a level of unity around

01:50:39.920 the basic rules of the road from free speech, meritocracy, self-governance, shutting down the

01:50:45.840 managerial administrative state. I think those things, that diverse coalition you described is rock

01:50:51.360 solid on. And then I think we move this movement forward from there.

01:50:54.340 Wow. This is a vision in to what could be if Donald Trump actually wins this thing tonight and

01:51:00.940 possibly maintains control of the House as the Republican Party and wins over control of the

01:51:07.900 Senate. Vivek, all the best. Great to see you. Thank you.

01:51:12.560 We'll talk soon. Thank you, guys. Bye.

01:51:14.800 Wow. I just want to tell you one story about Vivek before I bring on my next guest. Years ago,

01:51:20.360 years ago, I had a woman on the show who got fired over some BS cancel culture nonsense because she 1.00

01:51:29.420 stood up against the DEI stuff being shoved down her throat. And I've never told this story before,

01:51:36.360 but I got a call after the show from a friend of Vivek's and I didn't know Vivek. And he said he

01:51:42.840 wants to help her. And he volunteered to pay her legal fees in going after. And that he wasn't even on the

01:51:49.120 national scene yet. I'm like so proud of him that he's gone from this guy who just like was on the

01:51:56.580 outside looking at it and said, how can I help? This is nonsense. Was a real warrior against the

01:52:01.720 woke DEI nonsense, which is all but collapsed. It's not done, but it's collapsing. The Democrats

01:52:07.280 didn't even run on it. They ran away from it. The New York Times did an article on that.

01:52:10.220 And now look at him on an inner circle of power, part of the possible Marvel team if Trump wins,

01:52:16.420 and he may not, but if he does. So good for him. Okay, coming up, Eric Bolling will join us. Steve

01:52:22.760 Bannon will join us and many more. But first this. Trust in the media is at an all time low. Can you

01:52:32.060 blame them? Let's be honest. There's very good reason for this. We're all seeing how stories can

01:52:36.540 be shaped or buried or killed or manipulated, depending on who's in charge. And this is why

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01:53:45.640 You're happy?

01:53:46.680 Well, while we were on break, look what Charlie Cook did. Check it out. Hold on. Yes, he's enjoying

01:53:52.300 himself on election night.

01:53:53.400 Talk about premature celebrations.

01:53:55.820 Well, you don't know what to root for. You don't like Trump and you don't like Karis.

01:53:58.580 Karis? I'm very much rooting for a Republican Senate.

01:54:02.340 Okay, good.

01:54:02.820 So this is my...

01:54:04.060 Celebratory.

01:54:04.620 And the House. I'm a Congress guy. I want a Republican Congress and this is... Also,

01:54:09.000 Florida, Amendment 4 went down.

01:54:11.240 Yes, that's right.

01:54:12.000 So there's things to celebrate.

01:54:13.260 I mean, you will... You may not like Trump, but you will like that shrinking of government

01:54:18.820 that Vivek was talking about. Elon with his big scissors cutting. Right?

01:54:22.780 If that happens, that would be terrific.

01:54:24.660 Yes, Charlie's got a strong libertarian streak in it.

01:54:27.020 Yeah. And also, I mean, look, this is the thing is that whichever one of them loses,

01:54:30.540 one of them's lost. Right? So there's...

01:54:32.820 So there's comfort to you in that? Is that what you're saying?

01:54:34.920 A 50% chance of comfort, right?

01:54:37.420 There's... The only person who can't stand more than Trump is Kamala Harris. 0.79

01:54:40.520 Okay. Joining me now is Eric Bolling. He's host of the newly launched podcast, Bolling.

01:54:46.120 Eric, welcome back. How are you feeling?

01:54:49.280 I'm feeling great, Megan. How are you? Thanks for having me back. I'm a little jealous of the

01:54:52.480 martinis, to be honest with you, but... I know.

01:54:54.880 Someone's going to have to work tonight.

01:54:56.940 Next time you come up here, we'll pop them open early. So, I mean, you know, it's like,

01:55:01.740 we're all feeling kind of like, oh my gosh, is he winning? Is he winning? And yet, there's been

01:55:05.960 absolutely no data to suggest he's winning in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Michigan yet.

01:55:11.780 So, you know, I crunched these numbers, Megan. It's what I do. It's almost like Rain Man. I don't

01:55:20.000 know what it... There's a sense. I get this gut in 2016. I just... I felt it was going to happen

01:55:25.600 leading into the election, election night. I'll never forget. We were on set together at some

01:55:29.640 point, and North Carolina flipped, and we called it... Fox called it for Trump, and I said,

01:55:34.120 that's it. And it was so clear to me. 2020 was a different story. I never felt confident.

01:55:39.520 I haven't felt as confident in Trump winning since 2016 until about two days ago, and there

01:55:46.960 were so many things that were falling in line. I believe now it's going to be a landslide.

01:55:52.580 I don't think it's going to be eked out. I don't even... Listen, Pennsylvania can fall either...

01:55:57.600 This is going to be a Trump red wave, and I've not said that really too much this whole election

01:56:03.420 cycle. Maybe not in six or seven years since 2016 or eight years since 2016. This is...

01:56:09.280 It's all going his way. It's like a football game, or a basketball game, any sporting event

01:56:14.720 where the momentum shifts, and you can feel it shifting. You're in the stands watching,

01:56:18.840 or you're playing. You can feel the momentum going your way or the other way. She came 0.67

01:56:22.540 out of the box. She raised a half a billion dollars in a month. She had the momentum.

01:56:26.520 She was African-American, a female. Everyone loved it. It was something different. They loved 1.00

01:56:30.100 it until one thing happened. I will tell you that the inflection point for Kamala Harris

01:56:36.260 from going from the leader to where she is right now, I think it's going to be a bad

01:56:40.040 loss for her, was when that local Philadelphia reporter, a local reporter, not NBC, I don't

01:56:45.940 even know which affiliate it was, asked Kamala Harris off to the side of one of her rallies.

01:56:52.420 He says, how will you fix inflation? And then she gave her... I come from the middle class,

01:56:58.180 and I had my lawn. Rich is nodding his head, yes. How will you fix inflation? And she had

01:57:04.740 nothing. She was a deer in the headlights. And I think the rest of the media realized,

01:57:09.100 wow, we've really been pumping up someone that's not the candidate we thought she was

01:57:13.940 going to be. And then the media started to jump on her a little bit. The View asked her

01:57:18.280 what she would do differently. She said absolutely nothing. And then that NBC interview, I can't

01:57:22.960 remember who it was. It wasn't Kirsten Welker. It was another female MSNBC host, I believe.

01:57:29.080 Well, no, even before Stephanie Rue. Oh, yeah, Hallie Jackson. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes,

01:57:33.620 Hallie Jackson, who really laid into her, and she had nothing. She had an air ball. So the

01:57:38.640 momentum went towards Trump. And again, momentum is everything in presidential elections. She almost

01:57:45.840 got the momentum back on Madison Square Garden night when the roast comic made a joke about

01:57:51.380 Puerto Ricans being garbage, which I think was an absolute misstep by the Trump campaign. They 1.00

01:57:56.580 messed up. They should have vetted that joke and pulled it. I don't care. They're going to get mad

01:58:00.180 at me for saying this. But this is what you do when you're in PR and you're in campaigns. Yeah,

01:58:05.900 you let people be themselves. But that should never have been uttered there. Now, it could have been

01:58:11.760 much worse. But Joe Biden bailed Trump out by calling every Trump supporter or half the country

01:58:18.000 garbage as well. In fact, I saw your Halloween costume so appropriately and well-worn, Megan.

01:58:24.380 So the momentum was trying to go back to Kamala Harris. It was that. And then when they finally

01:58:31.080 said only dumb and unintelligent women follow Trump, wow, when Cuban said that, you lit up, 0.96

01:58:40.460 you lit him up, and then you go into Pennsylvania. I think they never were able to get the momentum

01:58:45.520 back. And they're just the fat lady singing, Megan. It's probably that they're eating the dogs. They're 0.93

01:58:51.400 eating the cat song right now. OK, listen, this this data just in, I just said there's not there's

01:58:59.600 nothing from the blue wall states right now to suggest that Trump is winning. That's still true.

01:59:06.840 But there is some good news in Pennsylvania via NBC. Right now, Trump is polling with whites 0.97

01:59:16.220 just a little bit worse than he did in 2020. He was 57 percent then. He's 54 percent now. You know,

01:59:21.860 he lost Pennsylvania last time around. With blacks, he's polling 2 percent better than he did. He was 1.00

01:59:26.900 at seven. Now he's at nine. With Latinos back in 2020, he had 27 percent of the vote. And now he has 0.92

01:59:32.780 42. There it is right there. If he wins Pennsylvania, Eric, the Latino vote appears to be turning out 0.99

01:59:42.140 significantly for Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. That's the vote she courted heavily over the

01:59:48.600 past week because she thought she was going to use that vote, that comics joke. She told us that she

01:59:55.000 got Jennifer Lopez out there who literally knows nothing about anything besides marrying a bunch of 1.00

02:00:00.260 people. He told us that Puerto Ricans were going to be outraged over this stupid joke.

02:00:07.000 And it does not appear to have done what Kamala Harris hoped it would do, at least not so far.

02:00:14.060 So one joke turns out one joke didn't override four years of the borders are looking the other way on

02:00:20.700 the border. Eight or nine million people. It turns out Latinos are pissed off about that because 1.00

02:00:25.360 most Latinos who are here right now are very conservative values. They're God-fearing people.

02:00:33.480 They're hard workers. And they came here legally and they went through the process. And so for them

02:00:40.180 and her specifically to let in millions upon millions, they feel that they've been cheated,

02:00:44.680 that these people are cheating or fronting the line. You know, and I got to tell you,

02:00:48.640 when the Department of Justice sues the state of Virginia to try and keep illegals on the voting

02:00:54.340 rolls, that was a red flag. That was a red flag to every Latino saying, guess what? There's a pathway 1.00

02:00:59.240 to citizenship for these people who just walk across the border. It doesn't play well with legal

02:01:04.460 citizens, Latinos and Hispanics in America right now. She had a chance. You know what they really

02:01:11.380 should have done, Megan? They should have done what they did with Joe Biden. They should have given

02:01:15.060 her the nomination in July and then put her in the basement and tell her, just stay off media.

02:01:20.160 Just don't do any interviews. Yes. Yes.

02:01:21.620 Well, just the way they did with Joe. And she might have pulled it out.

02:01:25.320 That's what we said. Same thing on the show. I mean, this audience heard me say many times,

02:01:29.040 I love her newfound confidence. This is wonderful. Keep her out there. Keep her rolling. Let's, 0.95

02:01:32.940 you know, tour after tour after tour, because you could see just how poorly she was doing,

02:01:37.700 guys. She was just, there wasn't one that she did well at, not one. I mean, to use the last words,

02:01:42.380 we deconstructed all of the speeches in which we centered her language and it let us down every

02:01:49.500 time. I mean, that's directly related to her fall in the polls. 0.97

02:01:52.180 So she was unimpressive in all these interviews, but the thing that hurt her most, and Eric mentioned

02:01:58.440 it, was the view, a friendly question from Sony host and setting her up, what would you do differently?

02:02:04.160 And not having an answer to that was a strategic choice. Because I would have thought the first

02:02:09.260 thing you do when you're selected as a nominee, you got a president who's under 40% approval rating

02:02:14.820 in some polls, come up with the three things you do differently, or you think he was wrong on,

02:02:18.460 you can say it gently or whatever, but do that. And they made a choice not to do that. And we've

02:02:23.060 talked about this on the editor's podcast some, and I think this is Charlie's theory, which I agree

02:02:28.580 with, is after you've shifted on everything from 19 and 20, you can't go and also say, oh, and

02:02:33.300 everything happened the last four years. I don't agree with that either. Like you're total

02:02:36.700 chameleon at that point. But I think looming very large is the actor off the screen here.

02:02:42.040 Joe Biden, who said he was going to run again last year, so they couldn't have primaries

02:02:45.260 or caucuses, chose her for DEI reasons and is woefully unpopular. And she got no separation

02:02:53.400 from him. So if she loses, he's a big reason.

02:02:57.320 You know, can we just talk about like the Hispanic vote? I think a lot of us assume it's like the

02:03:01.480 men. Trump does well with men, Hispanic men like a manly man. But I do think it's more

02:03:06.800 than that. I mean, Hispanics tend to be Christian. They tend to be more conservative in their social 0.88

02:03:11.820 politics. And notwithstanding the fact they didn't run on DEI, this is a party run wild

02:03:17.420 on the DEI front that is shoving porn into our kids' elementary schools. And they have been

02:03:22.800 absolutely radical, both of them. And she's even more leftist than he is on this stuff,

02:03:28.220 which has been raised. I find it hard to believe that the Hispanic community hasn't 0.90

02:03:32.880 heard or felt any of this, Charlie.

02:03:34.600 Yeah, so I think that's true. And I think that a lot of it is the product of that. But I have a

02:03:39.540 theory that is simultaneous with that. And that is just that Hispanics, as you know, are normal people.

02:03:46.100 And the racial polarization in America is a bad thing. And in most cases over time, it disappears.

02:03:53.420 You know, we don't really focus anymore on how do Irish Americans vote? How do Italian Americans

02:03:59.060 vote? How do you know? I mean, there are patterns, but we don't we don't obsess over this. But we

02:04:04.640 obsess over Hispanics, which is this fake category that was invented, this big balloon category in the 1.00

02:04:09.180 70s, but in the Nixon administration for no reason. And I just it just seems to me that, you know,

02:04:15.800 there are very good reasons why historically African Americans have had a different identity, 0.96

02:04:21.120 partly because they were oppressed for 200 years, institutionally. But that hasn't happened

02:04:26.600 to Hispanics. And so I think some of what you're seeing is just rather than the way the left slices

02:04:32.720 and dices up the electorate, if you talk to Hispanics about politics, they say, well, I'm worried about 1.00

02:04:37.540 my kids school and inflation and gas prices. And they sound like everyone else. And there's no historical

02:04:43.340 and justifiable reason for them to consider themselves as sort of the other. And I think the left

02:04:49.340 almost has got into this bad habit of patting Hispanics on the head and sort of saying,

02:04:54.820 well, as a Hispanic, you must think this. And I just think there's a backlash against it where they

02:04:58.760 say, no, I'm just a normal person. They don't want to be a victimized minority. There's going to be

02:05:03.360 Americans like everyone else. And I think if you said, as Republicans did, you know, for a very long

02:05:08.560 time to average Hispanic voter, hi, I'm a Republican, I want to reform entitlements and cut taxes for the 0.98

02:05:13.740 wealthy. Like, I'm not sure I'm for that. But if you say, hi, I'm a Republican,

02:05:17.500 I'm patriotic, I'm a Christian. And I don't think men should be competing in women's sports like these 1.00

02:05:22.800 other nuts do who want to call you Latinx and all the rest of the stuff. They're like, oh,

02:05:26.820 maybe I can get on board. I think it's Latinx, but I'll let it slide. 1.00

02:05:30.460 Eric Bolling, we found that soundbite to which you referred with the Philly anchor. Let's watch it.

02:05:35.980 You talked about creating an opportunity economy. I wonder if we can drill down on that a little bit.

02:05:40.460 When we talk about bringing down prices and making life more affordable for people,

02:05:45.660 what are one or two specific things you have in mind for that?

02:05:49.640 Well, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle class kid. My mother raised my sister and me.

02:05:56.200 She worked very hard. I grew up in a neighborhood of folks who were very proud of their lawn.

02:06:01.460 You know? And I was raised to believe and to know that all people deserve dignity.

02:06:10.780 And that we as Americans have a beautiful character. So when I talk about building an

02:06:20.460 opportunity economy, it is very much with the mind of investing in the ambitions and aspirations and

02:06:28.260 the incredible work ethic of the American people and creating opportunity for people,

02:06:33.540 for example, to start a small business.

02:06:34.960 I was going to say, by the way, kudos to your production staff for digging that one,

02:06:46.580 because that was supposed to be one of her first, let's test the waters a little bit.

02:06:51.380 You know, let's try a local reporter, how bad could it possibly be? It's likely a branded CNN or NBC

02:06:58.240 station where they weren't going to lean into her, but it didn't take much leaning. He literally asked

02:07:02.720 to just clarify what you mean, opportunity economy. And what they've been doing, they've

02:07:06.420 been throwing this term out without actually specifying what they mean, opportunity economy.

02:07:10.860 When he said, what are the specifics of that she had? I grew up with a lawn. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

02:07:16.840 You're middle class. Okay. Gotcha. And then went into a word. So I will tell you, I believe that was

02:07:21.020 the inflection point of her rise towards the presidency when the, when the media finally found some

02:07:27.840 cojones, how can I say that? And that tip to the Hispanic community, cojones to start to ask her 0.96

02:07:35.040 tough questions, to see what really is behind the curtain. Turns out the Wizard of Oz was there,

02:07:40.180 the little ball guy there with the monster. And, and I, listen, Donald Trump's stock was $14 a share

02:07:46.220 a couple of weeks ago. It's now 300% higher than that. Bitcoin just made a new high tonight,

02:07:52.580 Megan, brand new high tonight, $73,000. People in the crypto world believe Donald Trump is pro-crypto.

02:07:59.880 It's brand new high, all time high in crypto. And then there's a betting site that a trading site,

02:08:06.000 really. It's not even a betting site. It's a trading site. I have my stock account there.

02:08:10.080 You can actually trade on who you think the president's going to be. It's not betting. It's

02:08:14.300 actually, you're buying a share of Donald Trump or a share of Kamala Harris. Now it had been running

02:08:19.240 Trump by a little bit, right up until this afternoon. It's now 80 to 22. And it's not

02:08:26.180 exactly a hundred because there's, there's some commission in there, but Donald Trump has an 80,

02:08:30.600 80% chance of winning. So big money, smart money are seeing the same thing we are.

02:08:38.640 Eric Bolling, thank you very much. Wow. 10.08 right now. And the polls have just closed

02:08:44.900 in the final battleground state, Nevada. Let's hear from Steve Bannon. He's the host of War Room,

02:08:50.800 which you can watch on Real America's Voice, Rumble, X, and all podcast platforms. He's also

02:08:55.580 a former chief strategist for President Trump. Steve, welcome back. How's it looking to you so far?

02:09:05.740 I think with North Carolina decision desk calling it for President Trump, it's really cut off her

02:09:12.660 oxygen. She's got to run the tables right now, Megan, essentially in Wisconsin, Michigan, 0.58

02:09:18.560 and Pennsylvania. I think that's way too heavy a lift. You can't call this yet. She's in trouble 0.98

02:09:23.440 in Wisconsin. She's in trouble in Pennsylvania, Michigan. I think she's in trouble when you see

02:09:27.820 the numbers coming out of, out of Wayne County. Look, it's quite simple. The Hispanic population

02:09:33.920 throughout the country did not buy what she, she was selling. And most importantly, African-American 0.62

02:09:39.440 men have understood what she's been doing with this illegal alien invasion, how she fails to 1.00

02:09:45.880 support the First Step Act of President Trump. They detest her, as I've been saying since my time

02:09:51.680 in Danbury. They did not turn out. And I think 25 percent of African-Americans, and I think it was

02:09:57.840 in Georgia, are voting for President Trump. So right now, she's got a massive problem.

02:10:02.380 What caused it, Steve? As you look back on, you know, her closing message,

02:10:07.960 she was only running for 107 days. What caused this?

02:10:15.260 Well, you see, David Brooks, you can tell this from the media because they're all saying,

02:10:19.040 David Brooks had a big column in the Sunday Times. And as you know, he's one of the smartest guys

02:10:22.720 around. He says she needed this campaign to be longer. Remember, she was very ill-defined 1.00

02:10:28.880 to the American people. She's not a particularly high-profile VP. She hasn't accomplished a lot.

02:10:34.540 She dropped out of her presidential primary, the first one, even before Iowa. She had to define

02:10:40.120 herself to the American people. And the way to do that is you've got to, like Donald Trump,

02:10:44.820 make America great again, America first, build the wall, take one or two things that you really

02:10:49.500 believe. And for authenticity, make sure it's something you can believe and sell. She didn't do

02:10:54.740 that. She had this very ephemeral, the politics of joy. She kind of drifted along in those couple

02:11:02.640 of weeks when they were so glad that somebody besides Biden was there. She didn't really define

02:11:07.400 herself on any topic. She wouldn't take interviews. She never interviewed with you. She wouldn't take

02:11:11.880 hard interviews when she was even doing interviews. It was so almost infantile and juvenile what she

02:11:18.260 was saying. They, Brett Baer asked her, what's the number one geopolitical threat to the United States?

02:11:22.900 Who's our number one, you know, geopolitical, the biggest national security problem we have in

02:11:27.120 the world? What country? And she said, Iran. And Brett Baer goes, well, a lot of people say China.

02:11:32.900 And she didn't. She says, no, Iran. She's as ill-prepared for the office. And that came through.

02:11:37.840 And I think that's what buried her. She never defined herself. Now, in MSNBC, you know we're doing

02:11:44.060 a good job here, Megan, when before 10 o'clock at night, Lawrence O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow,

02:11:49.640 that entire crew are bitching and moaning about the Electoral College. When they're down, 0.72

02:11:54.080 they got the sad faces and the big tears coming down for the Electoral College.

02:11:57.540 I think it's going well for the populist nationalist movement of President Trump tonight.

02:12:01.640 That's for sure. Here's another one for you. Joy Reid, who is upset, I'm sure,

02:12:05.980 about the Electoral College as well, which, by the way, for whatever it's worth, the New York Times

02:12:09.880 is suggesting now their projection is that Trump will win it. This is just a guess. This isn't the

02:12:15.420 actual prediction, suggesting that Trump will win it 295 to 243, which is the highest they've had him.

02:12:23.620 But here's Joy Reid, who's really, really mad that Trump crushed Florida. Take a listen.

02:12:31.800 It's a pure Project 2025 in miniature in Florida. And that kind of extreme sort of extremist right-wing

02:12:39.880 fascist-type government in Florida. Does that make it a more attractive place?

02:12:46.560 Extreme right-wing fascist government. I guess she's talking about Ron DeSantis. But that's what

02:12:51.480 we're in for four years of that, if Trump pulls this thing off.

02:12:59.840 Oh, Megan, it's going to be extraordinary. They're not going to give up. They're going to fight it every

02:13:04.700 step of the way. This is why it's so important tonight to continue to put up numbers in Nevada,

02:13:09.580 Arizona. We've got to have a big margin here. Electoral College, run up the vote, but also 0.94

02:13:15.200 get as close as possible on the popular vote. They're coming in hard tomorrow. I mean,

02:13:19.560 they're already framing this, that she ran out of time, that was coming her way,

02:13:24.100 that this is all about the Electoral College, that on the popular vote, should have blown us out,

02:13:28.620 so this is not Democratic. They're going to come at President Trump on the deportations,

02:13:32.720 on having to cut spending, all of it. People just have to understand, today could potentially,

02:13:38.320 it's not there, could potentially be a big win, because if she runs the table on the blue wall 1.00

02:13:43.420 with Nebraska, too, she's president. So we've got to win. We've got to pick up one of those states

02:13:50.080 right now. I think that will happen. But it's going to be tough. People have to understand,

02:13:56.820 between now and now and Inauguration Day, it's going to be brutal. The first hundred days,

02:14:02.460 President Trump's second term is going to be brutal. So people cannot rest on their laurels

02:14:07.740 here. If you want to save your country, understand it's a fight. Right now, looking at Wisconsin,

02:14:13.920 Michigan, and Pennsylvania, I'm not so sure she can take all three. I think what's happening to

02:14:19.380 her in Philadelphia and Detroit could be a kill shot, but we've got to play this out.

02:14:23.860 Oh my gosh, Steve. Speaking of that, the latest rounds of exit polls of the key states shows right

02:14:30.940 now, this could change. Trump is getting 20% of black men and 54% of Latino men. Wow. If that's true, 0.96

02:14:41.540 if he maintains that margin in the blue wall, it's done.

02:14:49.820 Brian, we're seeing this in Wayne County. She has to outperform right now on game day vote

02:14:56.940 in Philadelphia, higher than Obama, higher than Hillary Clinton, higher than Joe Biden. I think

02:15:02.540 700,000 votes. I think that's a heavy lift. I think that's why you're seeing the long faces.

02:15:07.320 Wayne County with Detroit, the same situation you see right there. He's getting 20% of the black 1.00

02:15:12.960 vote. I also think when we get to be able to deconstruct this in the next couple of days,

02:15:17.260 there's also a certain segment of the black male vote that just didn't vote.

02:15:21.120 So this is what I think is killing her. The 54%, Megan, of Hispanic men is literally a game changer. 1.00

02:15:28.160 And I think we're seeing a new coalition come together. As you and I have talked about a couple

02:15:32.200 of times, a new coalition coming together around these kind of populist, nationalist,

02:15:36.800 policies of President Trump.

02:15:40.480 That, I mean, those numbers are incredible. Again, if they hold. Wow. Steve Bannon, thank you.

02:15:45.640 Thank you for everything. Great to see you. Back with me now, Henry Olson, senior fellow at the

02:15:50.060 Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls podcast. All right, Henry, so it's been

02:15:55.280 about two hours since we last spoke. What is jumping out at you as the most relevant couple of storylines?

02:16:02.300 The likely but not yet callable victory of Donald John Trump for the presidency of the United States.

02:16:10.640 Whoa. Why?

02:16:12.020 Why? It's because as all of these places come in, what we see is stronger than expected.

02:16:20.960 Trump showing the supposed election day swift movement towards Conal Harris is not materializing.

02:16:30.960 One of the patterns of the night, if you follow the New York Times needle, is that the more votes

02:16:36.640 that come in, the more they move their estimate towards Trump, which means that they keep showing

02:16:41.760 stronger and stronger returns than they had expected. You take a look, every exit poll, I do the math,

02:16:49.400 the ones that have them within tenths of a point, the only one she's ahead in is Michigan.

02:16:56.660 But you take a look, like right now, Donald Trump is ahead in Wisconsin by three tenths of a point.

02:17:03.220 Seventy-something percent of the vote in Madison County is in.

02:17:06.440 There are counties that are going to vote for Donald Trump that haven't reported a single vote.

02:17:12.380 He's not losing votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee. He's picking up votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee.

02:17:18.460 The two swing counties in the state, Salk and Door, are voting for him.

02:17:24.520 You don't call an election like this. It's way too many votes.

02:17:28.040 But the things that we were told in the media today that were happening are not actually showing up

02:17:35.580 in results. And that's happening in virtually every state I look at. And it's carrying through

02:17:43.140 to the Senate that they have not called the race for Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is going to be the next

02:17:49.700 senator. He's ahead by eight points or so. Fox called it for him.

02:17:53.040 Of Republican areas. OK, sorry. Have they called? Has Fox called Bernie Marino?

02:17:59.940 No, none of the other big Senate races has been called.

02:18:04.460 Yeah. OK. You know, there's still votes out. Bernie Marino is ahead by five points.

02:18:09.540 Some Democratic areas are out. But this is Ohio.

02:18:12.460 You know, you're just looking at this and the Democratic senators are not running very far ahead

02:18:20.240 as the votes come in. Donald Trump is doing much better. You know, not much better like five points,

02:18:25.400 but a point or two better when the exit polls say you're within tenths of a point and all the data

02:18:30.360 suggests that it can be more like one or one and a half. All of the data point in the same direction.

02:18:34.620 This race should not be called. But the odds of Donald Trump winning, you know, 79 percent on the

02:18:40.800 needle strikes me as about right that it would take a massive miracle in Election Day voting

02:18:46.260 across the blue wall to save Kamala Harris right now. Wow. Wow. Gosh, Henry, you know how to really

02:18:53.980 get our attention with your projections. That's incredible to hear. I. Yeah, go ahead.

02:19:00.020 I'm just saying I'm not calling it when I call a race. It means, you know, I've I'm point. Let's put

02:19:08.020 it this way. A certain a certain type of opera singer with a with Viking horns is warming up time to get 0.99

02:19:15.480 ready to sing. She had a little too much for dinner, this gal. Do you think these margins or sign 0.98

02:19:22.400 these margins are going to hold that? I just went through of 20 percent with black men and 54 percent 0.92

02:19:32.600 with Latinos. Latino men, you know, do I think they're going to hold? Yeah. Exit polls are always 0.99

02:19:41.100 difficult to critique until you have all of the data that are in. But, you know, like what I can point

02:19:46.840 to is let's take a look at Florida, Osceola County, the most Puerto Rican county in the country. Donald

02:19:51.860 Trump carried it. Miami-Dade County, massive swing to him in 2020. He still lost it by three points.

02:19:59.260 He carried it by 11 points. These are Hispanic places. Wow. So what what what do you think will 1.00

02:20:06.280 happen now? If you're seeing what you're seeing, you've explained it and it's 10, 20 p.m. Eastern.

02:20:11.200 What do you think is going to happen over the next two, three hours?

02:20:13.940 Well, a couple of things. First of all, Arizona

02:20:19.960 is is looking increasingly Republican as the early vote drops. The seltzer poll is clearly not correct

02:20:27.760 in Iowa. What I think is going to happen is the Election Day vote is going to slowly,

02:20:33.880 slowly move up for Donald Trump. You take a look, half of the expected vote in pencil in Philadelphia

02:20:40.640 is already. And the Democrats said she needed to get like four hundred and seventy thousand 0.99

02:20:46.280 vote margin out of it. If you double her margin right now, she won't even be at four hundred 1.00

02:20:51.120 thousand. I'm not saying it's over by any stretch of the imagination, but just the data all suggest

02:20:59.800 that things are looking very good for Trump for at least one of the paths that he has. If he holds,

02:21:06.740 I called it for Georgia a while ago. I think North Carolina is almost certainly Republican.

02:21:13.780 He holds those two states. He only needs one of the three Midwestern states. He only needs one.

02:21:23.580 And which one do you think is looking the most likely?

02:21:26.800 Wisconsin. Wisconsin, by the way, to your point, you know, NBC News projecting Donald Trump wins

02:21:34.740 Iowa. So you are absolutely right about the Seltzer poll not holding up. She had Kamala Harris winning

02:21:41.180 Iowa by three points, Henry.

02:21:44.320 Yeah, well, look, like I said, when we talked this morning and people have been asking me about the

02:21:48.760 Seltzer poll for the last 48 hours, every great pollster has a stinker. No one denies that Ann

02:21:55.780 Seltzer is the best pollster in Iowa. But every great pollster has a stinker. She threw one up and it's 1.00

02:22:02.680 not her fault. It's the sample. But you just have to not just go with the polls. You have to understand

02:22:09.520 what politics is about and voting patterns and so forth. And that's why I said to you and said to

02:22:15.620 everybody, it is one of those one out of 20 polls that is just wrong. And it's wrong. And Iowa is going to go

02:22:22.440 for for Donald Trump pretty, pretty strongly.

02:22:25.460 One of the problems with the blue wall states is they apparently take a very long time to count.

02:22:31.040 Now, I've heard the Michigan secretary of state say, oh, we sped it up. We're going to do better

02:22:35.860 this time than we did last time, given the amount of mailing vote that we had the last time when we've

02:22:40.700 shorn up our our positions on how to do it. But is there any chance it's going to be too slow in

02:22:46.240 Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania to have a call in the next five hours?

02:22:54.800 Let's see. So it's 1022 Eastern time. I'd say six.

02:22:59.900 OK, six, six hours, because, you know, look, we're talking about half the votes are in in Milwaukee.

02:23:06.640 And those are almost certainly not Election Day votes because they all got dropped very early.

02:23:11.480 We're talking about two thirds of the three quarters of the vote in in Dane County.

02:23:18.360 It's just the rural areas that haven't reported yet all of their votes count more quickly because

02:23:25.040 it's Election Day votes, that's precinct votes. I think Wisconsin will have the bulk of its votes

02:23:30.740 in in four to five hours and will be able to call the state unless something that I don't expect

02:23:36.960 happens, which is that the last quarter of the vote in Dane and the last 30 percent of the vote

02:23:43.420 in Milwaukee are significantly more Democrat than what we've seen so far. If the current trends play

02:23:48.200 out, Donald Trump will win Wisconsin. Not a call, just a direction.

02:23:53.140 Henry, we're coming back to you. Please raise your hand as you get more data and have some more

02:23:58.320 thoughts on it. So helpful. Thank you. Stand by. Joining me now, Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow at

02:24:03.700 the Hoover Institution. He's also the author of The End of Everything. Victor, great to see you.

02:24:09.960 Wow. What a night. We're trying not to get ahead of our skis. But you heard Henry, very bullish,

02:24:14.540 very sober, serious pollster, respected and has a great record saying he believes this race is Donald Trump's.

02:24:23.240 Yeah, I can see why he says that. I mean, if you take a state like Pennsylvania, we've been hearing,

02:24:27.760 Megan, you and I have talked about it, that the Jewish vote was going to be problematic, that black 1.00

02:24:33.720 males were going to be problematic, getting the percentages they needed in Philadelphia and

02:24:39.000 Pittsburgh. We were told that there was 600,000 more Republican voters. We were told the Amish were 0.99

02:24:47.300 going to come out. They were all not in themselves important, but in aggregate, they were almost a

02:24:53.200 perfect storm. So when we started seeing these polls, especially the last three days, that everything

02:25:00.140 had tightened up and she had the momentum, a lot of us thought that that was sort of a false effort to

02:25:07.740 increase exposure for fundraising, get people out to vote. But it didn't reflect what had been going on

02:25:14.200 for a long time. But everybody, I think, especially the last 48 hours on the Trump side, was kind of

02:25:20.780 shell-shocked. I thought, oh my God, it's going to happen again. I'm going to go to bed at 10.

02:25:25.000 He's going to be ahead. I'm going to wake up. It's over with. They've got the Cheney story. They've got

02:25:30.100 the fake news shooting story. And that was all ginned up, I think. I don't think there was any support for

02:25:36.700 it. And, you know, you and I have talked, I live in this community that's 95% Hispanic. I have not met a

02:25:44.460 Mexican-American male over the age of 40 who was not going to vote for Donald Trump. I've never seen

02:25:50.540 anything like it. It didn't happen in 2016. It didn't happen in 2020. It didn't happen in 2022. And it's mostly

02:25:58.580 driven by the border and inflation. And the other thing I'd say, Megan, very quickly is, you know, I work on the

02:26:05.540 Stanford campus. If this trend holds true, these people are going to have a complete mental breakdown. They really are. I mean,

02:26:15.900 they have been convinced that Kamala Harris is winning, that the New York Times poll or the

02:26:21.200 Washington Post was absolutely accurate, that inside Intel and Trafalgar and Rasmussen were just

02:26:28.200 crazy. It was a sure thing. And Trump was RIP. Rest in peace. And I don't think they'll

02:26:35.780 psychologically, I don't, I don't think we're going to, we have no idea about the mental confusion

02:26:40.800 if Trump should win, because they were convinced that he was in the last 48 hours had lost his

02:26:47.040 momentum and she was a shoe in. I really, I've heard that from 20, 30 people today on campus.

02:26:53.340 Well, here, here's the other thing to your point. They, if Trump pulls this off,

02:26:59.540 the meltdown will be, yes, he's evil and he's been reelected and they're going to have to deal with all

02:27:04.600 of that. But it's also the loss of their power and control. They will have to come to grips with

02:27:11.880 like the, the 2016 thing was a fluke. They didn't take him seriously. He shocked the world. That's

02:27:17.280 one thing. But they, this time they pulled out all the stops from the law fair to the nonstop actual

02:27:25.660 media reporting that he's Hitler. I mean, there's not another stop to pull. And if he manages to do 0.83

02:27:33.340 in any way, Victor, there is one, there is one, Megan, they've been talking, as you know,

02:27:38.380 about Jack Smith sentencing coming up. Not that that would affect his ability, but they really do.

02:27:43.620 I think they really do believe that if they lose this election, they will, they will think that

02:27:48.140 Jack Smith will put him in jail. And that will be, you mean, you mean not Jack Smith, you mean the,

02:27:52.340 the, the Alvin Bragg DA in New York? Yes. Alvin Bragg, but also Jack Smith later on.

02:27:57.940 Yeah. Jack Smith still got an open prosecution against him and he's appealing the one that got thrown out.

02:28:02.200 So he's got two avenues against Trump, still potentially viable.

02:28:05.820 I think you've mentioned that too. Alvin Bragg could put him in jail this month.

02:28:10.800 I mean, I don't think that they will be able to do that. I, oh, hold on one second. Let's see.

02:28:17.820 This is Pennsylvania. Hold on. We don't actually have a projection, but it's the New York Times

02:28:21.520 reporting Pennsylvania right now, Trump plus three with 56% reporting. In Lackawanna,

02:28:29.660 it's Harris plus three. That's one of the counties. Um, that's where Scranton is with 95% reporting.

02:28:37.460 Wait a minute. What did, what did Biden get? Biden, Biden won Lackawanna plus eight,

02:28:44.640 eight and a half in 2020. She's at plus three right now in Biden's home County where Scranton is Lackawanna.

02:28:51.620 Again, it's only 56% reporting that could change, but she is just, you know, what's happening now, Victor,

02:28:57.600 amazingly is where we may be starting to realize they were better off with Biden.

02:29:04.420 Biden. Yeah. I, I, we had a, I think I was on Jesse waters and we talked about that.

02:29:10.060 I don't know if they were better off, but, uh, they were better able to hide Biden because

02:29:15.200 everybody had baked into his presidency that he was cognitively challenged. So when he didn't appear,

02:29:21.480 they just said, well, he, the Obamas are running it or something, but he, he didn't get out. I mean,

02:29:27.640 they didn't let him out. And she, when she, she was in a doom loop because the longer she evaded the

02:29:33.420 media, the more pressure that was put upon her. And then when she came out every single interview,

02:29:39.040 she lost 24 hours of, uh, just support. Everybody just could not believe it. And, uh, it's, you know,

02:29:47.640 I, I think there's been cognitive distance. I really want to reiterate that in Michigan,

02:29:52.320 we were told the EV mandate was really turning off auto workers. We were tolling that the black

02:29:58.560 vote in Detroit was not there. We were tolling even the Muslim vote was starting to peel off from

02:30:04.280 levels that Biden had. And when you have these types of indicators in Pennsylvania and you have

02:30:10.400 them, whether it's registration or surprising, um, early and mail-in ballot, and then you look at

02:30:16.200 these polls and they're static. And I, I, I'd always say to myself, Megan, how can New Mexico be moving

02:30:22.620 in Trump's direction, but next door, Arizona is static. How can Minnesota be moving and not that he's

02:30:29.740 going to win it, but it was moving in his direction, but the polls say Wisconsin is static.

02:30:33.800 How could North Carolina be static while Virginia was moving? And I just think that they, I, I'm not

02:30:41.000 saying that they were dishonest, but I do think that these polls had other purposes other than

02:30:46.000 revealing what the actual, uh, estimations of the, the ballot would be. And, uh, and there were too

02:30:52.060 many indicators that things were not going well for her across the board for the type of melding.

02:31:00.580 Yeah. Do you, do you think it was an inability to see good news for Trump? I mean, look, it was it

02:31:06.000 any accident that Larry Sabato's crystal ball had among the worst projections for Trump best for

02:31:13.180 Kamala. I don't know, Ann Seltzer in Iowa, but she, she really got this one wrong. She, I think she tried 0.92

02:31:19.040 to change the race with that poll at the last minute, trying to inject some, and I don't know

02:31:24.380 whether it was conscious or subconscious to try to save and, and all this, all these older women 0.64

02:31:30.240 are so obsessed with abortion and they're running to the polls. Well, it didn't happen. He just won.

02:31:34.380 Iowa was one of the first States called.

02:31:35.940 I think it's like, why would Lauren Michaels ruin his reputation after 40 years of obeying basically

02:31:43.980 protocols that you don't overtly endorse a candidate or put one particular candidate out right before

02:31:50.200 the election. And it's analogous to the pollsters. I think they felt that the ends were so important

02:31:56.840 that you had this noble, better, superior candidate, and you had this awful Trump. And if you were going

02:32:03.400 to risk your reputation just a little bit, it would be worth it because you could create momentum or

02:32:10.040 you could get a late surge in, and donations, or you could get more exposure or you could get greater

02:32:15.760 turnout. And they, and I do think that, I don't know whether it's overtly conscious or subconscious,

02:32:21.920 but I do think there was an intent behind it and it was not empirical because there was too many

02:32:27.840 indicators, Megan. Uh, the New York times, not, not calling anything, but now moving Georgia from

02:32:35.100 toss up. First, they moved it to lean Trump and now they just moved Georgia to very likely Trump.

02:32:42.280 And they just moved Michigan to lean Trump, Michigan. And we were not, you heard Henry was

02:32:49.600 saying Wisconsin looks like it's Trump's at this point. He didn't call it, but he's saying Wisconsin

02:32:55.060 is very strong for Trump. This is Michigan and also North Carolina, likely Trump.

02:33:01.220 Yeah. You know, I go there every year and I, to teach at Hillsdale for two or three weeks. And

02:33:06.540 I could tell there was something different in the news coverage. Trump didn't have as many

02:33:12.160 commercials, but they were far better. And, uh, you would, uh, you, when you were reading about

02:33:17.640 the Michigan demography, you look at those three, that triad of special interest voters,

02:33:23.360 the United auto workers, the Dearborn Muslim vote and the Detroit and maybe Ann Arbor or Lansing or

02:33:32.400 Grand Rapids, African-American vote. And all three of those indicators were not there in the way they

02:33:37.600 had been for Biden. And yet every, you would see these polls again and again, giving, uh, Biden two,

02:33:44.720 three, 4%. Uh, I just think, I don't think that was possible. I think they knew that was impossible.

02:33:50.120 And I think they're really going to take a hit, Megan. They're back to their reputation is

02:33:54.640 kind of improved after the 2022 midterm, but I think they're going to go back to the status they,

02:33:59.900 they had in 2016 and even worse in 2020. If this goes up to me.

02:34:05.680 I have to wonder having just left Pittsburgh last night where, you know, we had all these guys

02:34:11.080 with the hard hats, you know, men who work with their hands, um, cheering on their feet all night

02:34:18.400 long for Donald Trump. That looks a lot like Michigan. That's Michigan's full of guys like

02:34:23.260 that auto workers, as you point out, suffering from these EV mandates that Biden Harris crammed

02:34:28.900 down our throats. They want to eliminate these guys industry. And I do wonder whether the, you know,

02:34:36.180 just this ongoing problem with the Democrats, their messaging around what a real man is,

02:34:41.560 what a real job is, what do we drive? What do we cook with? What will the government tell us?

02:34:48.360 Or will men and women for that matter, be able to make up their own minds and live peacefully without

02:34:54.180 the government trying to micromanage us? I just wonder how much that strain of the election argument

02:35:01.480 is driving these Michiganders and others in the Midwest. No, I think it is. I know. I noticed that 0.99

02:35:08.740 the, that the gender gap that she was in the case of males actually went up the more that Emhoff and

02:35:16.260 Walt started talking about the new empathetic male, male, the new masculinity, those white dudes for

02:35:22.940 Harris, those crazy actors that were in those commercials. Nobody's ever seen a person act like

02:35:28.140 that in the real world. And this idea that then the stories come out that, you know, Waltz is kind

02:35:34.560 of temperamental and Emhoff slapped his girlfriend or he got his nanny. That was a whole disaster on

02:35:40.920 their part. This idea that they were going to create an image of a new masculine male who was feminine

02:35:47.780 almost. And I think it really turned a lot of independent men off. I really do. And especially

02:35:54.560 in terms of foreign policy, I think that, I think a lot of women and men both were very worried that

02:36:01.520 after listening to Kamala Harris, especially when she talks out of both sides of her mouth to different

02:36:07.340 audiences and how, how she was going to deal with Ukraine when Putin is now threatening to use tactical

02:36:14.860 nuclear weapons or putting incendiary devices allegedly on planes. And we're looking at, something's going to

02:36:20.840 happen with Iran very soon. And the idea that she would be the commander and chief just terrifies 0.94

02:36:27.420 people, I think. And that came across, but we'll see how, we'll see how the night goes.

02:36:33.000 Exactly. I'm going to stand you by one piece of good news for Kamala. The New York Times just

02:36:36.920 moved Michigan back into toss up. So Michigan goes to lean Trump right back to toss up moments later.

02:36:44.120 So they're not feeling as confident now that it may be getting redder as more and more raw vote comes in

02:36:49.060 and they, they get it tallied up. Stand by, Victor. We're going to come back to you. Great to have

02:36:53.360 you tonight. Love hearing from you. Back with me now here on set is Maureen Callahan. And also

02:36:57.840 joining our discussion is Amala Epanobi, host of the Amala Epanobi podcast, and Link Lauren,

02:37:03.720 a former senior advisor to RFKJ's presidential campaign. Thanks to you, Amala and Link, for joining

02:37:10.100 the conversation. Link, let me start with you, since you actually worked for RFKJ for a while,

02:37:14.640 Bobby, as he's known, your reaction to the returns we're seeing so far tonight.

02:37:19.060 Well, I just heard that Xanax and boxed wine are being delivered to the MSNBC studios. They are

02:37:26.420 melting down. I'm happy to be back. Maureen, we got to get some of that here just for fun.

02:37:32.600 I'm coming in with a drink next time. I'm not kidding.

02:37:36.040 Why should they have all the fun? Go ahead, Link.

02:37:37.840 There isn't any boxed wine left. I also have to say, you look stunning last night in every sense of

02:37:42.760 the word. I know you don't like people kissing your feet, but I have to say, I'm so happy you were at

02:37:46.660 the rally. We needed some women surrogates on stage for Trump. Where had they been the last 1.00

02:37:51.860 few months? So as for RFKJ, as for Bobby, I heard he is down at Mar-a-Lago hanging out with Elon Musk,

02:37:58.520 Caitlyn Jenner, Dana White, Donald Trump. That lineup is every woke liberal's worst nightmare.

02:38:05.600 Tucker.

02:38:05.940 Let me just tell you right now. Yeah, Tucker Carlson. That is every, if you have purple hair and you 0.87

02:38:10.800 went to Oberlin, you don't want to walk into that room. But I think tonight, really my jaw,

02:38:15.960 my jaw has been on the floor tonight with these Kamala Harris returns because this is a referendum

02:38:21.880 on the swamp, on the political Washington permanent state. They have spent the last month saying Donald

02:38:27.660 Trump is a fascist. He's Hitler. If you support him, you're a Nazi. Everybody who supports him is

02:38:33.000 garbage. And guess what? It's still a competitive race. Kamala is not sweeping in a landslide, 0.84

02:38:38.380 which tells us you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear with Kamala Harris. She is a very 1.00

02:38:43.780 flawed candidate. And this is the death of the legacy media we're seeing right now. And we spoke

02:38:48.240 about that all the time on the Kennedy campaign because we could barely get booked in the mainstream

02:38:52.420 media. Oh my gosh. The New York Times is having a schizophrenic moment. They just moved Michigan

02:38:58.200 back to the lean Trump category. They can't make up their minds about Michigan. Nobody knows. But I

02:39:04.120 mean, Michigan is not even supposed to be his strongest of the three states. They just

02:39:08.220 moved the Wisconsin to lean Trump as well. That doesn't mean they're calling it for him.

02:39:12.900 But now we've got that were there at 2 a.m. last night with him. But yeah, that's true. That's

02:39:17.640 where he where he completed his campaign. That was his last rally. So now we've got two out of the

02:39:23.520 three blue wall states leaning Trump. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't want to say like, but it's starting

02:39:30.020 to feel like it's going to happen. And to Link's point about the hysterics on the left and in

02:39:35.060 particular at MSNBC, let's just take a little look see into what's happening at MSNBC and how

02:39:40.720 they're taking the news. Watch. You just think about just the last two weeks and the things that

02:39:47.040 that Donald Trump has said into into the TV that people could hear him say and do the vulgarity in

02:39:54.280 front of families with young children and the threats to do mass deportation and a violent

02:40:00.660 start, violent start to his dictatorship on day one. And you name it. If all of that gets you half

02:40:07.800 of the votes, 48, 49 percent. What does it tell you? I mean, we need to really take a step back

02:40:12.780 and think about what does that say about us? I think. What does that say about us?

02:40:17.600 Yeah, that's really the question she should be asking herself in regard to the whole Democratic

02:40:24.220 Party. What does this say about us that people are showing up for Trump in this way? And we've

02:40:28.900 been told for so long, you know, like Link said, he's a fascist. He's Hitler. Black people don't like

02:40:34.100 him. He's offended the Puerto Ricans. The Latino vote's going to come out for us. And we're watching

02:40:37.780 all of that be flipped on its head tonight. I mean, these exit polls from Latino men in particular who

02:40:42.780 are coming full force for Trump. Black in some instances, young, young people in Michigan and

02:40:47.880 Ohio. It's crazy to watch the narrative that we were sold by mainstream media versus what's

02:40:53.640 actually happening tonight. I started off tonight so stressed. I was breaking my finger trying to

02:40:58.000 refresh my ex figuring out what's going on. And slowly but surely, I've been able to breathe a

02:41:02.460 little bit and just flow. Same, same. Our guest earlier was suggesting I'm sure I think it was

02:41:08.600 Sean Spicer was suggesting we might be looking at 54 Senate seats. That's getting the car

02:41:12.480 before the horse. But I mean, if we're even talking about that, it's got to be a great

02:41:17.200 potential night for Republicans. Go ahead, Link. Can I just say, Joy Reid needs a colorist. I think

02:41:23.380 we could recommend one to her. What is going on with Joy Reid on MSNBC right now? If you need a bleach 1.00

02:41:29.080 and a toner, Joy Reid, what's happening? You make seven figures a year, I'm guessing.

02:41:34.160 She definitely does. What the hell is going on? You guys need to hire Link at the Daily Mail.

02:41:40.540 You are amazing. You are amazing. This color commentary is just, yes, I can breathe a little

02:41:47.940 bit. I know. Are you losing the pit in the stomach? I don't want to jinx it. I know. A little bit.

02:41:53.220 It's just so wild. Also, may I just say breaking news out of the Daily Mail. This is how much the

02:42:00.080 Bidens hate Kamala. Naomi Biden just announced her pregnancy. Oh, no way. Yeah. Shades of like 0.99

02:42:07.860 Meghan Markle at Princess Beatrice's wedding. Yes. Oh, I just happen to be wearing a car coat

02:42:14.460 that's covering a six-month bump. Don't look at me. Anyway, sorry, Link. Please, I'm sorry. You're

02:42:19.580 great. Also, we have some Daily Mail reporting. I was just going to say, Joe Biden, not at Kamala's

02:42:27.460 event last night in Philadelphia. He's not going to her event tonight in D.C. Joe Biden,

02:42:32.200 I think he will feel so vindicated if Kamala Harris loses tonight. He is going to be so happy

02:42:37.580 and smitten that he's the only person to go down in history who ever defeated Donald Trump.

02:42:43.080 Mm-hmm. Well, on that front, Amala, what do you think is causing this? She has not lost. He has not

02:42:48.780 won. We've been surprised before. Hello, 2020. We went to bed thinking Trump had won,

02:42:53.880 and we woke up being told he had lost. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. But

02:42:58.180 what do you think explains what we can safely say, at least, is her struggles to win this thing

02:43:05.140 tonight? Yeah. I mean, first things first with Kamala Harris, every time I see her speak,

02:43:10.380 she lacks so much political charisma. It feels like pulling teeth to watch her speak at her alley and 0.84

02:43:14.880 her try to engage with this crowd and get them to believe the things that she's saying.

02:43:19.020 She spun this entire narrative about Donald Trump being a Hitler and a threat to democracy.

02:43:23.880 anti-fascist. But I think people, regardless of your background or how you identify,

02:43:29.920 we're all experiencing the weight of what Kamala Harris's leadership has been for the past three

02:43:34.500 and a half, four years. And it's not really vibing with the message that she's selling to us,

02:43:39.060 that she's a new generation of leadership, that she's somehow going to turn the page,

02:43:42.840 even though she's been the page for the past four years. And when you see Americans being asked

02:43:47.260 questions about how they feel on the major issues, they're saying, it's immigration. It's the

02:43:52.120 economy. These things do not bode well for Kamala Harris, considering she's had control over these 1.00

02:43:56.640 things in large part for how long. So there's only so much fear mongering you can do leading up to

02:44:01.620 the election. She tries to do this fake door knocking, the fake phone calls to voters and 0.97

02:44:07.300 everything just comes off as so disingenuous. So it's, I think, experiencing the issues that America's

02:44:12.980 facing and then being met with this uncharismatic solution to them.

02:44:18.500 She's dying to be inspirational and she just isn't. She can rehearse the lines. We played that

02:44:25.800 soundbite earlier when she spoke to the Philadelphia news anchor. And for those who are watching us on

02:44:29.460 YouTube, she did the thing with the hands. Like I, I grew up in a middle-class family, like putting

02:44:36.120 the hands together. Like I, but they just circulated this. We actually cut it for today's show. We didn't

02:44:41.220 get to it. Showing how she delivers the same can lines every time. And she, she thinks she's Oprah. 0.99

02:44:46.860 Even Oprah's not Oprah anymore. Kamala, I hate to break it to you, but just look at this to your

02:44:51.540 point. It's SOT 7. Do we have that from earlier today? You guys, let's see, watch it.

02:45:00.180 You talked about creating opportunity. Are you ready to make your voices heard? No, no, no. Stand by.

02:45:05.240 Yeah. Yeah. Do we believe in freedom? So three different events for the listening audience.

02:45:12.380 Do we believe in the promise of America? And are we ready to fight for it? And when we fight, we win.

02:45:28.480 Do you? It's just painfully AstroTurf.

02:45:35.440 Yeah, it's crazy. You know, every time I hear Kamala Harris, it's almost like she thinks nobody

02:45:39.340 cross-references the different times that she speaks. That as though no person is going to hear

02:45:43.960 her twice. So she'll just say the same thing over and over again. She'll notice cameras.

02:45:46.680 Exactly. When she's in front of a Latino crowd, she pulls out the accent. When she's talking to 0.98

02:45:52.560 black people, she says, we're going to do it again in 2024. It's not working anymore. I promise. 1.00

02:45:58.440 We see you more than once. We hear you more than once. We know what you're really like,

02:46:02.620 and we know what you're trying to come off as. And it almost comes off to me of like,

02:46:06.220 who is the real Kamala Harris? I don't know that we've really even seen

02:46:09.600 a glimmer of who she really is as a person. And that's deeply concerning.

02:46:13.240 My favorite accent was the pastor accent. Joy cometh in the morning.

02:46:18.820 It cometh in the morning.

02:46:20.640 So bad. Have you no effort, man?

02:46:25.160 That was a good one, too.

02:46:28.380 I know she changes her accent every single day. I feel like the biggest mistake the Harris 1.00

02:46:32.400 campaign made was keeping her so bubble wrapped. I mean, people forget they pushed Biden out in a

02:46:37.640 coup, threw him out like the garbage, get the reference, on July 21st. Kamala went 40 days without

02:46:43.040 a sit-down interview. And then her first interview was with Tim Walls and Dana Bash on CNN in a diner.

02:46:49.020 So I feel like if they had her doing press and getting to know people and showing who she was,

02:46:53.500 people would feel more comfortable with her. But the fact that she hit out from the press for 40 days 0.95

02:46:57.460 at a really crucial time, nobody feels like they know Kamala Harris. Well, the real Kamala Harris,

02:47:01.960 please stand up.

02:47:02.700 Just FYI, CNN is calling the Senate race in Maryland for the Democrat, not for Larry Hogan,

02:47:12.480 which isn't a huge surprise. But that's at least one Senate race that's being called.

02:47:16.800 I do want to. Oh, you know what? Look at my team. Put this little gem together.

02:47:20.960 We put this montage together about a week or 10 days ago.

02:47:24.320 This is Kamala in all her many iterations. Watch. 0.75

02:47:26.700 Have you no empathy, man? For the suffering of other people? Have you no sense of purpose?

02:47:38.440 You better thank a union member for sick leave. You better thank a union member for paid leave.

02:47:44.300 You better thank a union member for vacation time.

02:47:47.900 Oh, goodness. I love you back.

02:47:50.480 We're going to beat him in November.

02:47:52.700 We're going to beat him in November.

02:47:54.000 We'll beat him in November.

02:47:58.120 And you all helped us win in 2020, and we're going to do it again in 2024.

02:48:04.420 Hello to all my divine nine brothers and sisters.

02:48:09.900 And my sorority.

02:48:16.840 And to all my HBCU brothers and sisters.

02:48:20.080 That was amazing, but it didn't have my favorite one.

02:48:25.380 Which was?

02:48:26.160 Joy cometh in the morning.

02:48:28.320 Oh, yes.

02:48:28.740 Her Obama moment.

02:48:30.180 She's channeling Barack.

02:48:31.200 Yeah.

02:48:33.300 Okay.

02:48:33.960 We laugh because, well, because it's funny.

02:48:36.900 It's actually funny.

02:48:37.700 But the problem here, Maureen, is that she never gave us something to connect to.

02:48:41.720 She was faking inspirational.

02:48:43.660 And it's fine not to be inspirational, you know?

02:48:46.280 I mean, I don't, like, not every politician is, I don't think John McCain was inspirational.

02:48:50.720 George W. Bush was definitely not inspirational to anybody.

02:48:53.460 But we don't know what she is.

02:48:56.080 It's unclear to everyone.

02:48:58.440 That's the thing.

02:48:59.340 I actually think it's unclear to her.

02:49:03.280 You know, you've talked about this before.

02:49:05.140 I definitely feel like I've talked about this with you.

02:49:07.180 You constantly get the sense when you're watching her and listening to her that she is someone who is profoundly uncomfortable in her own skin.

02:49:15.120 That's why the cackles at these inappropriate moments.

02:49:18.360 That's why the wheeling out of Tim Walls everywhere, which, by the way, where has he been lately?

02:49:22.540 Tampon Tim.

02:49:23.160 We forgot all about him.

02:49:24.000 Where has he been?

02:49:25.040 You know, I feel like they shoved him in the basement.

02:49:27.720 I think I am dying to know what's going on in the room with Kamala right now.

02:49:33.900 Dying.

02:49:34.300 I feel like it's Hillary all over again in so many ways.

02:49:37.500 Including the weird accents.

02:49:38.960 Including the remember, the pandering to, like, the black voters. 0.92

02:49:41.460 I carry hot sauce in my handbag.

02:49:44.480 I drop my G's just like you, you cretins. 1.00

02:49:48.400 It's so, so the, I don't want to get ahead of myself.

02:49:51.900 I don't want to jinx anything.

02:49:53.440 But the draft of her concession speech, Megan, I can't even bet you because I know you think the same as I do.

02:50:00.220 It will contain the words, the hopes, goals, dreams, aspirations, the American people.

02:50:08.280 I continue to believe in those.

02:50:09.920 You know, we should do our bingo card right now just in case she does have to concede.

02:50:13.420 It's going to include a lawn, middle class.

02:50:19.880 Ambitious people.

02:50:21.020 Yeah, ambitions.

02:50:22.160 Yeah, dreams for sure.

02:50:23.660 Work ethic.

02:50:24.560 American dream.

02:50:25.240 Yeah, product of the American dream.

02:50:26.920 Yeah, American dream.

02:50:28.460 We are definitely getting ahead of ourselves.

02:50:29.940 My mother buying a home, yes.

02:50:31.420 My mother and my, our neighbor who helped raise us, small business.

02:50:36.700 Backbone of the country.

02:50:38.900 Wait a second, New York Times.

02:50:39.980 Oh, there's been a Loa cartel, the Guadalajara cartel.

02:50:42.180 Oh, yes.

02:50:43.720 Transnational criminal organizations.

02:50:46.400 I mean, look, the fact that we can do this.

02:50:48.440 She sounds like she's in an episode of Breaking Bad.

02:50:49.840 All right.

02:50:50.360 And just before I give you the breaking news, I do have to play.

02:50:52.780 Joy cometh.

02:50:53.600 Watch.

02:50:56.080 Weeping may endure for a night.

02:50:59.940 But joy cometh in the morning.

02:51:04.320 Wow.

02:51:04.720 The path may seem hard.

02:51:06.680 The work may seem heavy.

02:51:08.320 But joy cometh in the morning.

02:51:11.900 And church morning is on its way.

02:51:18.600 That's even better than I remember.

02:51:21.500 Wait, Link, this is just breaking.

02:51:23.980 Okay, this is just breaking.

02:51:25.260 Okay, two things.

02:51:25.900 Ohio Senate right now with 82% reporting.

02:51:30.280 It's not over.

02:51:31.780 Moreno plus five.

02:51:33.880 Bernie Moreno plus five.

02:51:35.440 Oh, wow.

02:51:36.480 Yeah.

02:51:36.860 Up until like six weeks ago, he was not up in the polls.

02:51:40.040 Sherrod Brown, the incumbent, the Democrat, was up.

02:51:42.920 We had him on the show recently.

02:51:43.960 And he had just moved up from like minus three, minus three, minus two, minus two to plus one.

02:51:49.040 And right now with 82% in in Ohio, he's plus five.

02:51:52.100 That could change.

02:51:52.900 But here's the breaking news.

02:51:53.920 New York Times' Nate Cohn.

02:51:55.640 For the first time tonight, we consider Trump likely to win the presidency.

02:52:00.480 He has an advantage in each of the Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin states.

02:52:05.620 To win, Harris would need to sweep all three.

02:52:08.800 There is still a lot of vote left.

02:52:10.540 But in the voting so far, Trump is narrowly but discernibly ahead.

02:52:16.380 And by the way, the New York Times' The Needle is saying he's ahead in the popular vote as well.

02:52:22.200 That's their projection.

02:52:23.920 Link, I'm going to run, but I'll give you the last word.

02:52:26.180 Wow.

02:52:28.340 Yeah, this is just like I said earlier, a referendum on the swamp, the Democratic elites.

02:52:32.940 A lot of these independents, they're tired of politics as usual.

02:52:35.960 They're tired of the shenanigans.

02:52:37.040 They're tired of being lied to.

02:52:38.340 They're tired of the open borders.

02:52:40.000 They're going for Trump.

02:52:41.180 Sorry, Kamala.

02:52:41.980 Come back again in 2028.

02:52:44.340 You know, maybe she—I would actually enjoy that.

02:52:46.260 I kind of want to see some more of these soundbites.

02:52:47.740 You want to go through this together?

02:52:48.780 Really?

02:52:49.700 I could do without it.

02:52:51.580 Why not, Mom?

02:52:52.620 I just don't do it.

02:52:53.320 Do it on our book tour.

02:52:54.580 Okay.

02:52:55.940 Kamala, Link, thank you.

02:52:57.360 You guys are great.

02:52:58.300 All right, coming up in one minute.

02:52:59.280 Thank you so much.

02:52:59.680 Thanks for having me.

02:53:00.280 Thank you, Megan.

02:53:01.680 Dave Rubin will be here.

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02:54:14.660 So, back together and joining me now, Dave Rubin, host of The Rubin Report.

02:54:22.100 Dave, welcome.

02:54:24.160 So far, it's looking very good for Trump.

02:54:26.840 Anything could happen.

02:54:27.820 You hate to count chickens, but man, I feel like I can hear little tweets.

02:54:34.520 Megan, joy cometh this evening.

02:54:37.440 I think it might just happen tonight.

02:54:42.120 Yes, we are all thinking the exact, how'd I do there?

02:54:47.620 I feel like that was pretty decent.

02:54:48.560 You nailed it.

02:54:49.080 I was like, not bad.

02:54:49.980 Yeah.

02:54:50.780 Not bad, not bad.

02:54:53.040 Look, we're all thinking the exact same thing, and this is exactly what we've all been thinking,

02:54:57.580 not just tonight since this all started, but for weeks, which is that clearly things were

02:55:02.320 trending in Trump's way.

02:55:03.680 We see the new alliance.

02:55:04.900 We see all the disaffected Dems.

02:55:07.640 We see this really wide tent Republican thing that so many of us have wanted for so long.

02:55:13.100 But what would happen late night on election night?

02:55:16.660 So, we are exactly, I think, where we all kind of thought we were going to be.

02:55:21.520 So, I am feeling as good as you are.

02:55:24.160 And by the way, I just very quickly want to say how proud I am for what you did yesterday

02:55:27.420 on stage with him.

02:55:28.420 It was just so absolutely wonderful.

02:55:29.940 I think it was part of both of your hero journeys and considering where you both were with each

02:55:34.700 other, you know, nine years ago at that first debate, and it was just so wonderful.

02:55:37.800 But I think we're at the exact moment that we all thought we were going to get to right

02:55:41.040 now.

02:55:41.460 And let's just hope that, you know, pipes don't burst and nothing crazy happens, because

02:55:46.260 I think the American people have just had enough of the nonsense, and we are about to

02:55:50.520 reset the thing, and it would be so freaking wonderful and so overdue, and we can have it

02:55:56.100 all back again if we can just stay on this path right now.

02:55:59.940 I mean, think about this.

02:56:02.020 Okay, the New York Times, New York Times Electoral College estimate just updating now, suggesting

02:56:08.080 Trump looking likely to hit 300 to Harris's 238.

02:56:13.720 We're getting down now to about the Biden-Trump margin of victory, if that's actually where

02:56:19.660 it lands.

02:56:20.800 If Trump wins this, it needs to be by a healthy, substantial margin, because I don't know, Dave,

02:56:28.780 unless it's big and indisputable, I don't think the Democrats are going to go quietly

02:56:33.600 into the night.

02:56:34.440 I don't even know if Kamala Harris will concede.

02:56:37.960 It's a tricky question, given all the criticism of Trump for not doing it, but they don't want

02:56:43.460 this guy to take office.

02:56:44.740 Well, look, I don't think there's any rule that they wouldn't break.

02:56:49.740 I don't think there's any norm that they wouldn't gladly blow past, and God knows what shenanigans

02:56:54.880 could happen over the next couple months.

02:56:57.940 But I do know-

02:56:58.620 Or a couple hours.

02:56:59.300 I mean, I'm a little worried about a couple hours.

02:57:01.560 Keep going.

02:57:02.100 Yeah, sure.

02:57:03.560 Right.

02:57:03.980 So let's get through a couple hours, but let's say it does continue to trend in the way it's

02:57:07.320 going.

02:57:07.640 So we get through the couple hours.

02:57:08.800 Let's say we get an actual acceptance speech tonight, and it really looks legit.

02:57:13.500 I mean, we still have months and months of craziness ahead of us.

02:57:18.520 You know, I don't even want to think about it too much, but we really do.

02:57:21.180 I mean, you know, it doesn't get certified till the 6th.

02:57:23.960 He doesn't get, you know, put into the office until the 20th of January, obviously, I'm talking

02:57:27.820 about 2025, and, you know, this was always the danger.

02:57:32.300 If you were going to run around and say that your opponent was Hitler or a fascist and his

02:57:37.100 supporters were white supremacists and neo-Nazis and all the rest of the nonsense, what wouldn't

02:57:42.100 you do to stop him?

02:57:43.600 What wouldn't be legitimate to stop that movement?

02:57:46.720 You know, this is the thought exercise that people have had for 50 years.

02:57:49.940 Would you kill baby Hitler? 0.52

02:57:51.660 It's a real thing that people, that philosophers debate and think about, and that really is the

02:57:56.540 problem right now.

02:57:57.280 And it's so unfortunate because it did not have to be this way.

02:58:00.880 They could have had an honest, we could have had six months or I, well, not six months because

02:58:05.520 she just got in a couple months ago, but we could have had four months of an honest political

02:58:09.340 debate in this country.

02:58:10.980 The real difference between these two parties, these two people, the candidates, et cetera.

02:58:15.480 And instead we got your Hitler. 0.96

02:58:17.800 And then we, and then what it does is it puts a whole bunch of Democrats who hopefully end up

02:58:22.320 on the losing side of this thing, thinking that Hitler's in charge and he's not in charge,

02:58:25.820 but it's not going to stop their craziness.

02:58:28.220 And that's the real problem.

02:58:29.820 No, but her messaging from the moment she was anointed was absolutely all over the place.

02:58:35.980 She launched with the, he's a sexual predator and a criminal fraudster.

02:58:40.920 And I know the type because I'm a former prosecutor.

02:58:44.900 And then she was, she was, she went underground.

02:58:48.040 We didn't hear anything except her scripted canned lines that we've heard a million times.

02:58:52.280 Didn't speak with the press for all of August, you know, all of that.

02:58:56.200 Remember she went like six weeks without talking to anybody in the press.

02:58:58.960 Yeah.

02:58:59.360 She gave like two airplane side, you know, questions to somebody. 1.00

02:59:03.500 That was it.

02:59:04.200 And then finally she comes out and starts talking, things start spiraling.

02:59:08.860 Obviously that was hurting her.

02:59:10.020 They didn't know what to do to get momentum.

02:59:11.880 And then they switched to Hitler fascist.

02:59:14.960 I mean, just the most vile things possible.

02:59:17.760 And then the last two days of the campaign, Dave, they, they switched with all positive.

02:59:22.220 She's going to stick to her uplifting message.

02:59:24.400 I mean, as if the voters have no idea what's been happening.

02:59:28.080 I mean, to some extent, unfortunately, their voters do have no idea what's been happening

02:59:35.060 because their voters mostly apparently watch mainstream media.

02:59:38.520 And I think the other thing that's happening here tonight is we are seeing a wholesale shift

02:59:43.300 in the media landscape.

02:59:44.840 People watching your show, people watching my show, whatever the guys at the Daily Wire

02:59:48.660 are doing, et cetera, et cetera.

02:59:50.100 That's something, and there's lefty versions of all of us, of course, that people are tuning

02:59:55.160 out of the lies and the machine has lied to so many of us for so long and just way too

03:00:01.440 many of us have now woke up.

03:00:02.800 I mean, think about, to me, the craziest thing that happened in this last week was that Barack

03:00:07.200 Obama, two days before the election, so on Sunday, goes up in Wisconsin, gives a speech

03:00:12.740 and says, very fine people again.

03:00:14.860 This thing has been debunked into oblivion, but he thought he could go up and, first off,

03:00:21.120 he called it a white supremacist rally, which it wasn't.

03:00:23.180 And obviously, it was a debate about statues, Robert E. Lee in this case.

03:00:26.700 But then Donald Trump, we all know, Donald Trump said, I'm not talking about the white

03:00:30.040 supremacists or the neo-Nazis.

03:00:31.520 He was talking about very fine people on both sides of the debate about whether you take

03:00:35.580 down statues or not, which, of course, there are very fine people who could have opinions

03:00:39.340 on that.

03:00:40.120 But the fact that Obama thought he could give that speech, he knew he was lying.

03:00:44.800 There's no way Barack Obama, it would be so generous to say to him, oh, you're just

03:00:48.980 not, you just didn't know what you were saying.

03:00:50.640 That's absurd.

03:00:51.140 So he went on stage knowing that he was going to lie, knowing that it was going to be debunked.

03:00:56.800 I put up a 30-second video, which just had Obama saying it and then Trump's answer, got

03:01:01.000 like 100,000 retweets.

03:01:02.880 I'm not a genius.

03:01:03.860 I just did it because it was obvious.

03:01:05.420 So he knew it was going to be debunked, obviously, yet he still lied to them.

03:01:09.140 So what does that tell you?

03:01:10.920 They think of their own base.

03:01:12.380 They think they are A, dumb, or B, brainwashed, and they don't care.

03:01:16.140 Yeah, as my friend Maureen says, not this friend Maureen, but a different friend, he

03:01:21.060 stinks of desperation.

03:01:22.540 They stink of desperation.

03:01:23.980 That's what it really shows you.

03:01:25.740 They got increasingly desperate because their internal polls were showing, I'm sure, some

03:01:30.560 of what we're seeing tonight, and they knew more than they were letting on.

03:01:34.660 And that explained some of the mood and that explained some of the messaging because they

03:01:38.240 kept shifting.

03:01:38.880 And if you're winning, you're not shifting.

03:01:41.800 You know, one other thing Maureen Callahan I wanted to ask about is the fact that she 0.93

03:01:45.980 closed this campaign out with Oprah, Beyonce, J-Lo, Cardi B, who, I mean, honestly, it was

03:01:56.100 like, okay, Cardi B is the most foul-mouthed, four-letter word-loving, like raunchy, but that's

03:02:03.680 fine if that's how you want to do it.

03:02:05.280 But she leaned into the Hollywood elite. 0.67

03:02:09.480 She was not with the guys in the hard hats over and over, picturing with them or taking

03:02:14.860 pictures of them, talking to them, you know, connecting with them in the campaign or otherwise.

03:02:19.720 And the Dems wonder why they keep shedding the working class vote, the white working class,

03:02:25.640 why they're now shedding the Latino vote, the black vote, the male vote. 0.71

03:02:30.960 They're not, you know, they don't understand it.

03:02:33.960 And I really, I was really puzzled, particularly by the J-Lo, allowing her to endorse her so

03:02:41.680 publicly at her rallies.

03:02:43.920 J-Lo is Diddy adjacent right now.

03:02:47.020 Yeah, that's right.

03:02:47.500 We know this.

03:02:48.080 That's right.

03:02:48.380 She's in the news all the time.

03:02:49.780 All the time.

03:02:50.780 She's running away from reporters who ask her about this.

03:02:55.020 She's shutting them down.

03:02:56.640 What is this campaign thinking?

03:02:58.700 It never works.

03:02:59.820 It smacks very much of Hillary as well. 1.00

03:03:02.940 You know, when we talked about the Oprah interview right after it happened and Meryl Streep and

03:03:08.100 Julia Roberts.

03:03:09.240 I know you're going to win.

03:03:11.000 I just know you.

03:03:11.940 Oh, remember?

03:03:12.540 She's out.

03:03:14.000 Madam President Harris.

03:03:15.340 Oh, whoops.

03:03:15.900 Oh, me?

03:03:16.360 Yes.

03:03:16.920 Just the greatest actress in the world.

03:03:18.420 We knew how alienating that would come across to regular people.

03:03:22.340 They don't.

03:03:22.960 They do this every time.

03:03:24.600 They do it every time.

03:03:25.900 It doesn't move the needle.

03:03:26.960 In fact, it turns people off.

03:03:29.360 And Oprah, I mean, how she could, I, if you watched it the way I watched it, you knew

03:03:35.800 Oprah was like, this woman is full of shit. 1.00

03:03:38.200 Yeah.

03:03:38.520 Like, how do I spin this?

03:03:40.040 I'm in it now.

03:03:41.020 I'm in for a penny.

03:03:41.860 I'm in for a pound, you know?

03:03:43.900 But wait, here's the theory, Dave Rubin, on the Oprahs of the world, the power brokers

03:03:49.180 of the left of the world and Kamala.

03:03:51.920 It's that, Tucker said this to me, they're thrilled she's an empty vessel.

03:03:56.880 They don't give two shits. 0.57

03:03:58.600 They just want someone they can control.

03:04:00.620 Of course.

03:04:01.860 They want interchangeable parts.

03:04:03.860 And she's just an interchangeable part who lives in service to the system. 1.00

03:04:07.980 And the reason, and by the way, if I was Kamala, I would live in service to the system

03:04:11.860 because she's done nothing to deserve to be the nominee and certainly done nothing to

03:04:16.300 be the president of the United States.

03:04:17.560 So you would just give the system what it wants.

03:04:19.900 So when you ask the question about the actors, I think you know what the answer is.

03:04:24.140 The answer is actors that do this, that just go all in.

03:04:28.180 And by the way, the, what's her name? 0.67

03:04:30.180 Who's the, with the bucket and the girl, Cardi B.

03:04:34.280 Sorry, I know she has a bucket and the song. 1.00

03:04:36.160 The bucket, yeah, it's a lovely song.

03:04:37.500 It's like, this is a, yeah, great song, great song.

03:04:40.220 This is a woman who just weeks ago was railing against Kamala, but then clearly got some 1.00

03:04:45.900 sort of call, like you're going to have to do it.

03:04:47.540 Same thing as Usher.

03:04:48.500 Remember Usher was on The View about two months ago saying, I'm not going to get political.

03:04:52.420 And then suddenly on stage with her.

03:04:54.420 The reason they all do it is actors and musicians and everything else for as talented as some

03:04:59.720 of them might be.

03:05:00.560 They're all interchangeable.

03:05:02.300 Why is it that the entire cast of the Avengers, every single one of them, as good as an actor

03:05:07.900 as Robert Downey Jr. is, or whoever you like there, Scarlett Johansson, how did they all

03:05:12.240 come out on the exact same side of the political issue?

03:05:15.400 Well, it's because they're in service to the Hollywood system.

03:05:18.520 Actors can be replaced.

03:05:19.660 You might think Robert Downey Jr. is the greatest Iron Man of all time, but someone else can do

03:05:23.900 it.

03:05:24.500 And so because their talent is actually not that rare and very interchangeable, they will,

03:05:29.660 they are very easily put into any system to do whatever the system wants.

03:05:33.600 And I think we're seeing the end of that now, which is absolutely extraordinary.

03:05:37.820 It's wonderful.

03:05:38.440 It's long overdue.

03:05:39.860 And, and hopefully more and more people will realize this is what it was for a long time.

03:05:45.260 Mm-hmm.

03:05:46.020 Oh, Dave Rubin, great to see you.

03:05:48.460 Thanks for coming on.

03:05:50.700 Good to see you, Megan.

03:05:52.320 Want to tell the audience this just in via NBC, Trump has an edge with the late breaking

03:05:58.320 voters, 49 to 42.

03:06:01.660 Now we're getting pretty late in the evening.

03:06:03.240 It could still change, but we're getting pretty late in the evening so we can start paying a

03:06:06.240 little bit more attention to these exit polls, but still huge asterisks because they change

03:06:09.940 a lot.

03:06:10.580 But that's amazing to me, Maureen.

03:06:12.740 That suggests, not surprisingly, but absolutely nothing that she said in the past week or 10

03:06:19.780 days made a difference.

03:06:21.160 They did not buy Hitler.

03:06:22.140 They did not buy fascist.

03:06:24.600 They did not buy he hates Puerto Ricans.

03:06:27.300 They did not buy any of it.

03:06:29.460 And this is why I really had this gut feeling he was going to win, because that is the messaging

03:06:35.460 of a panicked candidate, a panicked campaign, a panicked party.

03:06:40.020 They were constantly, especially in the in the real lead up to today, they were running

03:06:45.700 in opposition to him.

03:06:47.260 They could never define her.

03:06:49.720 She could never define herself.

03:06:51.740 Even the Obamas, who know way better, yelling and hectoring at people at their own rallies,

03:06:59.200 that is a room that is welcoming.

03:07:01.100 They want to hear from you.

03:07:02.900 They don't want to be yelled at by you.

03:07:05.320 And I think they all had this sort of flaming hair panic that like they were in it with

03:07:12.520 this loser of a candidate who, despite all of the of the the legacy media, fluffing her

03:07:21.920 up as the next great hope.

03:07:24.780 I honestly think she didn't run on her gender or on her race, not out of some sort of ethical

03:07:31.680 or moral decision making.

03:07:34.000 I think it was purely pragmatic.

03:07:36.460 They saw it didn't work for Hillary and it wasn't going to work for her.

03:07:40.680 And she's certainly not somebody.

03:07:42.960 Was it you or somebody else who said this, that if she were to win, it would put women

03:07:48.500 back so far.

03:07:50.560 And that's such a great point.

03:07:52.580 This is not the one.

03:07:54.400 No, this is not the one.

03:07:56.200 We can do a lot better than this.

03:07:57.940 No, because all of her ineptitudes will be chalked up to her femaleness. 1.00

03:08:01.120 It's 100 percent.

03:08:02.740 And then the people coming up behind her will be tagged with it.

03:08:05.580 We'll be we'll have to wear that around them like an albatross, like it's all women who 1.00

03:08:09.920 sound like this or who are empty headed or not deep thinkers.

03:08:13.160 That's that was one of my main objections to her.

03:08:15.680 We cannot have this Nimrod become the next president and certainly not the first female 1.00

03:08:21.040 president.

03:08:21.440 Absolutely not.

03:08:22.780 And the other thing that I thought was so telling about her campaign, she was running 0.97

03:08:26.440 two different ads on the same major issue in Michigan.

03:08:30.900 She was running sort of pro Gaza.

03:08:34.240 Right.

03:08:34.820 Yep.

03:08:35.760 And what in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, it was pro Israel.

03:08:40.580 Yeah.

03:08:40.860 And that to me said everything.

03:08:42.400 You can't be a two faced candidate.

03:08:44.360 Say what you want about Donald Trump.

03:08:46.180 You know exactly who you're getting.

03:08:48.400 That is the definition of two faced, what she did.

03:08:50.220 Yeah.

03:08:50.720 Yeah.

03:08:50.940 By the way, now Maureen's got the martini. 1.00

03:08:52.620 Doug Brunt's just stirring him up.

03:08:53.920 He's shaking him and not not stirring him doing the Lord's work.

03:08:57.540 Yeah.

03:08:57.700 Look at that close up of it.

03:08:58.660 And pretty soon.

03:08:59.300 I mean, well, let's wait until we have a call and then I will join you.

03:09:01.860 And hopefully by that point, you'll be on your second.

03:09:03.580 Don't go anywhere.

03:09:04.140 I would love to.

03:09:04.620 We're not giving up.

03:09:05.300 We might we might have a have a call within the next couple of hours.

03:09:09.180 We're going to have to check back in with Henry and find out.

03:09:12.100 All right.

03:09:13.720 Maureen, thank you.

03:09:14.540 Thank you.

03:09:15.600 I wanted to tell you this.

03:09:16.860 OK, when my team and I were discussing the lineup of guests tonight and haven't been

03:09:20.160 that they've been great.

03:09:20.940 I love our guests.

03:09:21.860 And they're so great.

03:09:22.480 So fun to have all of our favorites on.

03:09:24.060 Almost all.

03:09:24.680 Some of our favorites are not here, but we'll be here tomorrow.

03:09:27.780 One voice I wanted to hear from was Sean Ryan.

03:09:31.340 I love Sean Ryan.

03:09:32.280 You guys love Sean Ryan, don't you?

03:09:33.480 Former U.S. Navy SEAL.

03:09:35.140 He came on this show over Memorial Day.

03:09:37.320 Then I went on his show for three hours.

03:09:39.660 Such a deep, lovely man.

03:09:43.040 And he wanted to join the show, but had something going on.

03:09:45.540 So he sent along this.

03:09:47.020 Actually, I think he goes to bed at eight o'clock.

03:09:48.460 Like, literally, I think he said he goes to bed at eight o'clock.

03:09:50.380 He's going to have a lot to wake up to.

03:09:52.120 But he sent along this exclusive election day message to all of you.

03:09:58.280 So watch it.

03:10:00.280 It's here.

03:10:02.140 Election night 2024.

03:10:03.900 What many consider to be the most toxic, divisive, yet most important presidential election of our entire lifetime.

03:10:13.740 And I tend to agree.

03:10:15.960 Each side thinks that if the other side wins, that it will be the end of the world as we know it.

03:10:23.840 But the U.S. is like a massive ship.

03:10:28.780 The most powerful, biggest ship in the entire world.

03:10:33.020 And a big ship doesn't turn on a dime.

03:10:37.120 It turns in increments.

03:10:40.520 And somebody, at the end of tonight, is going to take that wheel.

03:10:46.000 Now, even though nobody's been on that wheel for the past four years, somebody's going to take it.

03:10:52.320 And life is going to go on, no matter who that is.

03:10:57.040 And everybody wants to know, how do we get this country on the right track?

03:11:01.600 Well, I'm going to tell you three things that I think are most important, most influential, and that's going to steer this ship by increments that will last forever.

03:11:12.660 First being, you need to stay true to your word.

03:11:18.120 Now, what does that mean?

03:11:18.940 And that means that if you don't like the way a store is catering to kids, that means you actually have to sacrifice your time and your money and go the extra five minutes down the road to the store that does have your values and does carry your beliefs.

03:11:35.800 If you're banking at a bank that sold all your information to the federal government and you don't think that was good for your privacy, that means you need to switch banks.

03:11:48.540 And when you switch, you tell them why you switched.

03:11:51.900 Number two, we're going to have to open up the conversation.

03:11:55.620 As Americans, we don't agree on much anymore.

03:11:57.940 And the conversation has been extremely divisive if we've even had the conversation at all.

03:12:06.260 But I still think there are a lot of commonalities that we share.

03:12:09.900 And we need to find those commonalities and start the discussion there to build the relationship to have the harder discussions down the road that are going to really change things.

03:12:21.420 And number three, parents, leaders of the future generation, you are your kids' biggest impact.

03:12:32.720 It means you need to lead by example, and you also need to take the time to monitor what your kids are watching on the phone, what they're watching on TV, what they're taught in schools, and just be a good influence for them.

03:12:48.580 But life's going to go on.

03:12:51.820 It's up to us.

03:12:54.860 Sean Ryan.

03:12:56.140 Oh, we got to get him back on now after we get results tonight, the official results.

03:13:00.380 Thank you, Sean, so much for that video.

03:13:02.360 Rich and Charlie are back with me.

03:13:04.380 And also joining me, Tom Bevin and Sean Trendy from RealClearPolitics.

03:13:08.620 Guys, this just in, you may have seen Fox News has now called the Ohio Senate race for Bernie Moreno.

03:13:17.540 That he will unseat incumbent, incumbent Democrat, Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown.

03:13:25.740 This is an important flip for the Republicans.

03:13:27.360 It sure is.

03:13:29.000 Wow.

03:13:29.340 Tom Bevin, Bernie Moreno takes the seat in Ohio, which is not one of the ones the Republicans were banking on.

03:13:39.160 Those were in West Virginia and Montana.

03:13:40.660 No, but this was definitely a race that Republicans had their eye on because they knew Trump was going to perform well in the state.

03:13:48.600 And there hasn't been a lot of ticket splitting at the national level over the last two cycles.

03:13:53.760 And so, you know, Sherrod Brown got a great reputation in the state, well-known, all of that.

03:13:58.920 But at the end of the day, you saw, I think the last four polls that were in our average had Bernie Moreno leading.

03:14:04.760 He sort of surged through the tape at the end of this race as Republican voters came home to him.

03:14:10.320 And so, yeah, it was a tough environment for Sherrod Brown and one he just couldn't overcome.

03:14:15.740 Come.

03:14:17.140 I feel like your affect does not match the news.

03:14:21.960 I mean, this is like...

03:14:23.620 The Republicans are...

03:14:26.800 I just asked my team, have they called West Virginia?

03:14:29.800 They called West Virginia, right?

03:14:31.260 Okay.

03:14:31.580 How about Montana?

03:14:32.800 Has she officially...

03:14:34.520 Not yet, but...

03:14:35.060 Not yet?

03:14:35.540 That would be a shocker if you lost.

03:14:36.620 Okay, that's only because maybe the lateness of the hour because they're mountain time.

03:14:40.780 And there's Nebraska, which is a weird one.

03:14:42.700 There's Nebraska and what else?

03:14:45.840 I'm forgetting one.

03:14:48.060 Pennsylvania.

03:14:48.900 Well, and Wisconsin and Michigan.

03:14:50.140 Right.

03:14:50.560 I mean, like, this is getting a little crazy.

03:14:53.480 That's where you can look up.

03:14:54.700 Those states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, that's where you run up the margin.

03:14:58.800 So a month ago, Ohio seemed a little bit of a stretch.

03:15:01.580 You know, doable, but a little bit of a stretch.

03:15:03.180 But instead, they come online in recent weeks and seem more likely.

03:15:06.800 So now they're at 50, 52, and they could go 53, 54, 55 if the blue wall is falling Trump's way.

03:15:16.660 And with a margin big enough, so far it's been looking as though the Senate candidates are underperforming Trump a little bit.

03:15:22.620 So you need Trump to win by more than the hair in those places.

03:15:25.000 Charlie, what were you saying about why you think it's important to win the Senate by a lot?

03:15:28.480 Well, because I think that there's going to be a backlash against whoever wins this election, and there usually is anyway, but I think particularly given the two candidates.

03:15:40.160 And I think if you want to get as many Senate seats as you can, have a six-year time frame, so that if the country goes the other way in four years, then you create some stability.

03:15:49.900 You still have control of the Senate, even though maybe not by the same margin.

03:15:53.200 Right.

03:15:53.600 Or at least your losses aren't so great that you give the other side a mandate.

03:15:58.480 I'm a huge Congress guy, as you know, Megan.

03:16:00.800 I don't like executive power, so I like to see some sort of stability in Congress, and I like the filibuster.

03:16:07.140 Having come from England, it makes sense.

03:16:10.100 Rebel.

03:16:10.620 Rebel against your queen.

03:16:11.860 Exactly.

03:16:12.080 You're king.

03:16:12.900 Okay, so I'm just trying to figure out what's happening here.

03:16:17.480 Montana Senate here.

03:16:19.360 Okay, yeah, they called West Virginia for the Republican as expected.

03:16:22.800 Montana Senate, 6% of the vote in.

03:16:24.400 Okay, so it's too early to call.

03:16:25.500 Right now, Sheehy's 55.9, Tester's 42.4.

03:16:30.060 This will wind up going for Sheehy, we think, Sean.

03:16:33.000 But let me ask you about your reaction to where we are so far.

03:16:36.940 I mean, I don't know.

03:16:39.240 I didn't expect to be quite this far along toward potential good news for Trump at 11, 16 p.m.

03:16:44.520 But are you seeing anything in the county-by-county analysis in the blue-wall states that would give Kamala Harris some strong hope?

03:16:51.000 You know, I think the best hope she has is that a lot of Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee are still outstanding.

03:17:03.260 And so there are some very deep blue areas of those states.

03:17:06.340 But there's also a lot of rurals.

03:17:07.800 I mean, I got to be honest.

03:17:09.200 The fat lady isn't singing, but she's warming up.

03:17:12.960 This is starting to look really, really grim for Harris.

03:17:15.720 And I think the reason that Tom had such a flat affect about Sherrod Brown likely losing is that we're to the point now where we're really talking about these other three Senate races.

03:17:27.760 As you said, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, I think Democrats will be extremely lucky if they hold all three of those and very well may lose all three.

03:17:38.640 Wow.

03:17:39.420 I mean, that would be just absolutely stunning, Nebraska.

03:17:44.080 They're now reporting Axios' Alex Thompson as follows.

03:17:47.620 Harris campaign manager sends an email to all staff, quote,

03:17:50.480 I mean, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the results they've seen so far, Tom, but she's also not wrong.

03:18:10.300 She or he, I'm not sure which one actually put that out, but they're not wrong that if somehow she can hold on to those three states, she's going to win.

03:18:18.460 She will still win this night.

03:18:20.480 Yeah, I mean, look, it's technically still possible, but as Sean points out, it's getting more and more sort of looking like she needs an inside straight.

03:18:31.160 I mean, she's down, she's down over three points in Pennsylvania with 76% of the vote in. 0.94

03:18:36.380 So, you know, she's down in Wisconsin by, I think, over two points, 2.2.

03:18:42.140 50,000 votes.

03:18:42.820 With almost two-thirds of the, yeah, with two-thirds of the vote in there.

03:18:46.040 So it's getting to the point where it's looking less and less likely that she will get that inside straight.

03:18:54.780 And then you see these numbers at the Senate level as well.

03:18:58.340 Look, Republicans, we always kind of knew that despite both campaigns saying that they were poised to have a great night, this is how these elections go.

03:19:07.560 Like, one side gets the better of it, and they end up winning a lot of these close battleground states.

03:19:12.560 They win a lot of the close House races.

03:19:13.960 They win a lot of these close Senate races.

03:19:15.700 They don't, these races don't split 50-50.

03:19:19.100 And that's what we're seeing.

03:19:20.440 Republicans are having the better night.

03:19:23.000 Trump is overperforming in a lot of the Sun Belt.

03:19:25.840 And as a result, he's dragging a lot of these candidates, Republican candidates, he's giving them a lift.

03:19:32.180 And they're winning a lot of these races, or at least they're in position to win a lot of these races.

03:19:37.660 And as Sean mentions, you know, I think our final projection, our final Senate map, I should say, was at GOP plus three.

03:19:47.580 That's looking likely, and it could even be a higher number than that when all is said and done.

03:19:52.540 How about, yeah, go ahead, Greg.

03:19:53.760 So she really has to do a 2016.

03:19:55.320 So she may not lose the popular vote, but basically tie the popular vote.

03:19:58.960 And where's that phrase inside straight from, right?

03:20:01.600 That's what Trump did in 16.

03:20:03.260 So she's going to have to do the same thing in the blue wall state, narrowly win each of them. 0.98

03:20:08.460 And it may be, this may be too early to say this, but it may be that the race gets into a zombie state at some point here,

03:20:15.140 where it seems like Trump is ahead in all the blue walls.

03:20:18.180 The New York Times needles and others are giving the advantage, but the count slows down as the night goes on.

03:20:22.700 And we're just sort of suspended animation where he's, it looks very likely he's on the cusp, but we don't quite tip over.

03:20:28.160 Right, because there's still outstanding vote, mail ballots that they have to count, given what's, you know,

03:20:33.480 they will discard the mail ballot counting as unnecessary to make a projection if they can get the margin of victory for Trump or Kamala to the point where they're unnecessary.

03:20:45.020 I mean, I've seen that happen many times at Fox.

03:20:48.120 Hold on a second.

03:20:48.700 NBC just reporting, in an ominous development for Democrats, the share of voters identifying with their party hit the lowest mark this century.

03:20:57.020 Dems, 32 percent down from 37 in 2020.

03:21:00.620 Independents, 34 up from 26 percent in 2020.

03:21:05.080 Republicans, 34 percent down from 36 percent in 2020.

03:21:09.140 Look back to that in one second.

03:21:10.600 Sean, oh, did we lose Sean?

03:21:13.140 Sean, can you hear me?

03:21:14.220 Are we lost?

03:21:14.920 Oh, we lost.

03:21:15.580 I'm here.

03:21:15.960 No, he can hear me.

03:21:17.300 Sean, what do we know about the House races?

03:21:19.500 Because that's, that's, that was the body that the Democrats were most likely to take control of.

03:21:24.260 How are they looking?

03:21:25.020 You know, it's kind of fascinating.

03:21:28.540 They are looking very status quo right now.

03:21:31.280 There haven't been many flips.

03:21:33.620 I don't, I don't even know if there have been any so far.

03:21:37.420 So I'd say the safest bet right now is a, is a slight Republican majority.

03:21:41.520 But there are a lot of House races that are very, very close.

03:21:44.900 House races tend to lag for a variety of reasons.

03:21:47.840 So that'll probably be the last one that we have a firm answer to.

03:21:51.860 Okay.

03:21:52.560 All right, guys.

03:21:53.160 Thank you both so much.

03:21:54.300 Great to see you, Sean.

03:21:55.120 You as well, Tom.

03:21:55.840 Appreciate it.

03:21:57.400 What do you make of that, guys?

03:21:59.280 This, in an ominous development, again, from NBC, share of voters identifying with their

03:22:04.140 party hit the lowest mark this century.

03:22:06.200 And to what do we owe that?

03:22:09.540 Well, so I said this on your show a few weeks ago.

03:22:11.780 The phenomenon culturally that is Donald Trump and the media's dominance of the narrative

03:22:21.140 have hidden the fact that the Democratic Party is crazy.

03:22:25.320 I offer many criticisms of the right week in, week out, but the Democratic Party is crazy.

03:22:30.660 And they have adopted crazy positions, not just on issues that conservatives such as myself

03:22:40.260 would oppose, but that people, when they learn about them, just recoil from, for example,

03:22:47.660 surgeries on children, men in women's sports.

03:22:52.220 There was a piece, I think it was in Semaphore.

03:22:54.320 I can't remember where it was, but it said that Republican strategists had learned that

03:22:59.640 they had to tone down the critiques that they made of Democrats in election cycles, because

03:23:05.760 if they didn't, people didn't think they were true.

03:23:07.800 Did you read that?

03:23:09.040 In other words, the Democratic Party has become so crazy that the average voter who is primed

03:23:14.220 to be persuadable just couldn't grasp that they weren't being lied to when they were

03:23:21.820 told verbatim the positions.

03:23:23.460 Stand by, Charlie.

03:23:24.880 Did this just end?

03:23:25.620 The AP calls North Carolina for Trump.

03:23:28.740 So that's our, that's an official call.

03:23:31.320 North Carolina now officially in the Trump camp.

03:23:34.980 I mean, it's happening.

03:23:36.380 State after state, it is starting to happen.

03:23:37.940 And we're not getting any callbacks, and we're not getting any competing data in her favor.

03:23:42.260 We're not seeing the signs of slowdown.

03:23:45.720 This could change that, you know, we've seen in the past.

03:23:48.260 Stand by, guys.

03:23:49.560 Back with me now, Mark Halperin and Dan Turrentine.

03:23:52.600 And I'll start with you on this one, Dan.

03:23:55.140 Are we?

03:23:55.780 Are we seeing any of the signs of like, hold on, maybe not, blue wall?

03:24:02.680 Nope.

03:24:03.320 People are starting to text.

03:24:04.740 They're going to bed.

03:24:05.560 They are moving from wine to, you know, hard alcohol at this point.

03:24:09.900 I mean, in all seriousness, there isn't.

03:24:14.400 And I think now you're starting to see texts and messages about how big is the Senate majority

03:24:20.220 for the GOP is going to be.

03:24:21.680 I think one of your guests just said, you know, perhaps 52, 53.

03:24:25.460 I think it may even get to 55, and 56 is not out of the realm of possibility.

03:24:30.720 Oh, wow.

03:24:31.160 And it's hard to see if Trump, if the night looks, turns out the way it looks like, which

03:24:37.720 is Trump is going to have an extremely good night, win the popular vote.

03:24:41.600 They pick up all these Senate seats.

03:24:43.200 It is hard to see Democrats holding the House.

03:24:45.860 Not impossible, but it's hard.

03:24:48.960 And there's going to be a lot of soul searching in the party.

03:24:51.740 And I think, as you guys were talking about, you know, just a minute ago, one of the things

03:24:57.700 the party's going to have to wrestle with is the animating principle of the last five

03:25:01.320 years has been denying Trump office.

03:25:04.500 It's why Joe Biden said he ran in 2020.

03:25:07.460 He was disgusted with Trump.

03:25:09.600 It was why he ran again, because he thought he was the only one who could beat him.

03:25:13.240 And, you know, Harris really settled the last three weeks on just why you should hate

03:25:18.340 Trump.

03:25:19.560 And that clearly didn't work.

03:25:21.520 And Trump has grown stronger on policy appeal.

03:25:25.060 And the party has to come to grips with it and figure out its own appeal to voters.

03:25:29.280 Well, that's a very interesting point.

03:25:30.920 So does that mean, before I go to Mark, in your view, if Trump wins this with that kind

03:25:35.300 of a Senate and possibly controlling the House, that the Democrats will stop with the lawfare 0.83

03:25:41.300 and the constant attacking of him as this Hitler-esque figure, because they'll receive the message

03:25:47.140 that the electorate doesn't want to hear that and doesn't buy that.

03:25:51.520 Yeah, I mean, look, absolutely.

03:25:55.320 I mean, just in the last few weeks on our own show, young women who are pro-choice coming

03:26:02.840 on in groups, not just by chance, not because we had a plan that day, I'm for Trump because

03:26:10.080 of other issues.

03:26:11.120 It's this, like, let me scare the bejesus out of you over how awful, you know, he's a racist,

03:26:22.720 he's a misogynist, all of this.

03:26:25.260 And yet people are attracted to Trump because of the economy or his views on immigration

03:26:32.200 or his views on foreign policy.

03:26:33.380 But do you think, Dan, do you really think the Democrats can reel it in?

03:26:36.320 I feel like it's too important to them to stop saying it.

03:26:39.680 If you want to win, you will.

03:26:42.820 And look, there will be some, we are a big party, that will say we need to double down

03:26:48.340 on that.

03:26:49.440 And I think there will be others who will see.

03:26:51.820 Yes, yes.

03:26:52.840 And there will be others who will see that that is a just recipe for disaster.

03:26:58.480 Okay, Mark, let me bring you in.

03:27:00.000 Your reaction to what we're seeing so far?

03:27:01.780 Well, the Democratic Party will blame Joe Biden first and Kamala Harris second, and there's

03:27:10.660 no reason to think they'll do any soul searching.

03:27:13.240 There's almost no one in the party who's been the least bit outspoken about the dynamics that

03:27:20.280 have led up to this, the attempts to eliminate Donald Trump rather than appeal to his supporters,

03:27:26.380 the failure to stop the party from moving to the hard left, the failure to be honest

03:27:31.660 about Joe Biden's mental capacities going back to 2017, the failures to find a way to effectively

03:27:39.300 stop Kamala Harris from being the nominee without any fight.

03:27:42.760 And I think most profoundly, the failure to see that the party is on so many issues, out

03:27:49.940 of step with the country, while they accuse Donald Trump of solely appealing to the quote

03:27:54.580 unquote extreme mega base, when immigration, inflation, the forever wars, some of the cultural

03:28:00.420 issues are not about the extreme mega base.

03:28:02.960 They're about about 70% plus of the country.

03:28:07.780 What are we seeing so far about the reasons this is happening, Mark?

03:28:12.220 Have you seen that?

03:28:13.000 And do you believe what you read at this point in the exit polls?

03:28:15.340 Because, you know, the voters will tell us why they're voting the way they are.

03:28:20.060 Yeah.

03:28:20.300 I don't like treating the exit polls like the Rosetta Stone because I used to work on the

03:28:24.800 exit polls and I know that they're, you know, they're not, they're not that.

03:28:29.040 But directionally, all the things that Donald Trump and his team said they would do, appeal

03:28:33.620 to young voters, Hispanic voters, young black men, independent voters, I suspect eventually

03:28:39.120 we'll see labor households. 0.97

03:28:40.300 All that is part of why he won.

03:28:43.280 And I think the transformation, the realignment of this election, if the exit polls are even

03:28:53.940 close to correct, is much more profound than what happened in 2016 when he turned the Republican

03:28:59.060 Party into the party of the white working class. 0.56

03:29:01.940 Now it's the party of the white working class, black working class, Hispanic working class,

03:29:06.100 young voters, independents, that's a, that's a big realignment.

03:29:12.080 And there's no one in the Democratic Party who's close to the generational talent of Barack

03:29:17.920 Obama or Bill Clinton, the two people who found a way to reimagine the Democratic Party to deal

03:29:23.800 with the Republican strain.

03:29:25.460 And if he does win the popular vote, and he may, it's going to be both symbolically and

03:29:29.960 substantively significant in a way that, again, a talent like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama

03:29:35.160 could grapple with, I don't see its soul in the Democratic Party.

03:29:39.000 And, and the first thing they'd have to do is stand up to the far left and the far left

03:29:42.900 calls the shots in the Democratic Party, which is a big reason why they found themselves where

03:29:46.820 they are right now.

03:29:48.180 It'll also be the greatest political comeback of all time.

03:29:51.160 The greatest political comeback of all time.

03:29:53.980 Yeah.

03:29:54.560 Right.

03:29:55.060 I mean, everybody agrees on that.

03:29:56.260 Getting, getting, getting, getting shot along the way.

03:29:59.300 Yeah.

03:29:59.640 My God.

03:30:00.080 Sean, the, um, to Mark's point, some of the exit poll data showing that, um, men under

03:30:05.160 30, they're tied.

03:30:07.880 They're tied.

03:30:09.000 Harris, uh, and Trump 48 and 47.

03:30:12.540 So, but that's, that's good.

03:30:13.940 That's good for Trump because people under 30 tend to vote Democrat. 0.88

03:30:17.200 But the fact that Trump's keeping it tied is to his credit and she's crushing him with

03:30:22.040 women under 30.

03:30:23.020 She's got 62%.

03:30:23.960 He's got 36%, but she's not doing much better than Biden did.

03:30:27.080 They're about the same.

03:30:27.840 So in other words, she pulled Biden's same margins with young women and she is doing

03:30:33.760 worse with young men than Biden was.

03:30:36.820 Biden won this group by 11 points.

03:30:38.800 She's tied with Trump.

03:30:39.840 The, the men across the board did show up.

03:30:44.840 That's what we're seeing.

03:30:45.960 And the, the rise of the women, you know, the girl power, they're running. 0.97

03:30:50.460 It's not, not being reflected in these numbers.

03:30:55.120 Yeah.

03:30:55.660 Look, here's a couple of things that I think are going to be interesting.

03:30:57.620 In 2016, the, when we partnered, the RNC partnered with the Trump campaign, the media derided

03:31:03.800 it and said, well, no one's ever operated like this before.

03:31:06.320 This can't possibly work.

03:31:07.800 We pulled out a winning coalition.

03:31:09.520 This time everyone said the Trump campaign outsourced its ground game.

03:31:12.520 There's no way this can work.

03:31:13.860 We're seeing, as you just pointed out, the key coalitions, the key constituencies showed

03:31:18.880 up and turned out.

03:31:20.280 Right?

03:31:20.520 Look at this.

03:31:21.200 Just as a, as a side note, I know you talked about this earlier in the show, but, but you're

03:31:25.020 seeing this throughout New Hampshire.

03:31:26.240 She's at 51%.

03:31:27.940 Rhode Island, 53.

03:31:29.120 I talked about that earlier, Virginia, 50 to 48.

03:31:32.560 She's underperforming everywhere. 0.97

03:31:33.780 But I want to, I think you touched on this earlier, Megan.

03:31:36.080 I just want people to understand where we've been misled.

03:31:39.540 The Iowa poll came out the other day saying that Kamala Harris was up three and every left 1.00

03:31:44.980 wing legacy outlet put them on as if it was gospel truth and this massive trend.

03:31:50.560 Do you know what?

03:31:50.960 Trump is up right now, 12 points.

03:31:53.300 He's outperforming where he did in 2020.

03:31:56.180 He was at eight plus eight.

03:31:57.460 Then he's at plus 12 right now with 80% Emerson got it.

03:32:01.740 The readers, the, the, the people who bought into that poll, oh, the American people an apology.

03:32:09.080 The methodology didn't look good from the jump, but the media was so into hating Donald Trump

03:32:14.580 that they were willing to buy anything.

03:32:16.400 That was as much misinformation as we talk about the, the, they love to talk about this

03:32:21.820 being spread.

03:32:22.620 We're going to be talking about this.

03:32:24.360 I know there's a lot of stuff on the left that we can talk about where that campaign

03:32:27.620 went wrong, but the media has another big, big, uh, need to look at itself and how it

03:32:35.020 covers elections and how it covers the right.

03:32:38.380 Because we're not just seeing Donald Trump, we're going to see, I think, a good size Senate

03:32:41.460 majority.

03:32:41.960 By the way, uh, Sean Davis, uh, of the Federalist, I think, yeah, he just tweeted out, Puerto

03:32:47.780 Rico just elected a Republican governor.

03:32:50.000 Everyone who told you a comedian's joke was going to tip the presidential election is a

03:32:53.260 liar who thinks you're stupid.

03:32:54.900 Bookmark every person who hyperventilated about that and vow to ignore them forever.

03:32:58.820 It's funny.

03:32:59.500 I mean, I said on the show, I thought the whole thing was too bro-tastic, which I stand by, 1.00

03:33:03.740 but that I wasn't offended by that guy's joke.

03:33:05.560 Um, I do think, you know, look, Trump did not behave perfectly over the last week.

03:33:11.680 Um, it wasn't his problem so much at that rally as it was those around him, but Trump

03:33:16.380 was his normal self.

03:33:17.640 However, what we're seeing as with so much with Trump is it didn't hurt him.

03:33:22.120 People, their opinions of him are already baked.

03:33:26.020 That cake's been in the oven and it's already nice and tasty.

03:33:29.140 So what's going to happen, Dan, if, if Trump wins this and the Republicans have 55 Senate

03:33:35.340 seats and take the house, what does the left start saying?

03:33:39.900 What, what are we going to hear on MSNBC?

03:33:45.520 Well, I think you, and you've already heard a little bit of this in the last few weeks when

03:33:49.480 Bernie Sanders went public that he was a little upset that, uh, Harris was spending time with

03:33:54.700 Liz Cheney and he argued that what Harris needed to be doing was focusing on working

03:34:01.600 class voters.

03:34:02.980 And I think you're going to hear part of the left say that part of the democratic base has

03:34:07.980 left for Donald Trump.

03:34:09.200 Mark alluded to it, this realignment, people of color in the working class are now, you

03:34:13.820 know, in Trump's camp and that the party was not left enough.

03:34:17.620 And you will have people like AOC and others who are thinking of the president who are going

03:34:23.360 to come out and say that Harris has moved to the middle for willingness to not take a stand,

03:34:30.200 you know, even on, on the trans rights issues and, and this issue of the surgeries, you know,

03:34:36.680 there were Democrats who were like, she needs to come out and proudly plant the flag. 1.00

03:34:41.160 Right.

03:34:41.480 And she said kind of nothing, like I'll just enforce the law.

03:34:44.640 And she tried to kind of have it both ways.

03:34:46.280 So I think the left, there, there will definitely be a segment that said that she was not proudly

03:34:52.480 progressive enough.

03:34:54.360 And that is why the base of the party has left for Trump.

03:34:57.360 I don't agree with that, but that's what.

03:34:59.740 Yes.

03:35:00.240 I mean, given, given the amount of millions that Trump spent on those NFL ads, I mean that

03:35:05.580 he heard her for sure.

03:35:07.400 Those ads heard her.

03:35:08.220 And the great thing about those ads were, was they were 100% true.

03:35:12.680 She did exactly what they said she did.

03:35:14.880 Then she later said, oh, well, Trump did it too.

03:35:17.160 I mean, we did a deep fact check on that.

03:35:18.900 The readers know I'm, or the listeners know I'm very, very onto this subject.

03:35:22.720 But what happened was Barack Obama changed the prison policy to require that taxpayers

03:35:28.720 pay for sex change operations and procedures.

03:35:31.780 Trump got in there and his administration said, what?

03:35:35.540 And tried to limit the existing policy while they challenged it in court.

03:35:39.660 No one received such a surgery under Trump.

03:35:41.880 One guy who murdered two people by tying them to an anchor and throwing them overboard of

03:35:46.960 their boat, who got, was in California prison awaiting the death penalty, I think, got the

03:35:53.520 surgery after Trump left office.

03:35:55.900 And she tried to say, he did it too.

03:35:58.140 He did it too.

03:35:59.280 Meanwhile, she actively worked to change the policy in California to provide these taxpayer

03:36:04.000 funded sex change operations.

03:36:05.880 She did it.

03:36:06.580 That's why she couldn't effectively deny it.

03:36:08.320 And people can smell it.

03:36:10.160 You know, when you tell a lie, when you try to dodge, when you try to do a he did it too

03:36:13.780 without being straight, they can smell it.

03:36:17.220 Guys from Two Way, thank you all very much.

03:36:19.620 So interesting.

03:36:20.980 See you guys later.

03:36:22.540 You guys stand by one second because we're going to bring in our legal panel to dive into

03:36:26.560 what the next few months are going to look like.

03:36:29.460 You guys know these guys very well.

03:36:31.400 George's own Phil Holloway, host of Inside the Law, his YouTube show.

03:36:35.280 Dave Ehrenberg, state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, where Mar-a-Lago is located.

03:36:40.360 And Mike Davis, founder and president of the Article 3 Project.

03:36:44.660 What a night, guys.

03:36:46.080 Thank you all so much for being here.

03:36:47.500 Can I just ask you before we get to the law fair and what's going to happen next?

03:36:51.500 Mike, I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who's a bigger booster and more loyal

03:36:56.100 to the president than you.

03:36:58.640 What's your reaction to what we're seeing so far?

03:37:00.300 I would say that it's going to be a very good night for President Trump.

03:37:08.360 He's got the dark MAGA cap on, everybody.

03:37:11.200 Go ahead.

03:37:12.180 I think President Trump's going to win pretty handily.

03:37:15.100 He may sweep all the swing states.

03:37:18.500 We've already won the Senate for Republicans.

03:37:21.260 It's a very, very good night.

03:37:24.900 Dave, how are you feeling?

03:37:26.640 We're not feeling great right now, but I'm not willing to throw in the towel yet.

03:37:34.420 There are still results coming in the cities where the Democrats really are counting on

03:37:37.920 Milwaukee and Detroit and Philadelphia.

03:37:40.620 So as long as the vote has not come in yet for those cities, then there's still the chance

03:37:47.140 that the blue wall will hold.

03:37:48.380 That has always been the main path to victory for the Democrats.

03:37:52.080 That's the memo also from Jen Dillon, the chair for the Kamala Harris campaign, that is still

03:37:57.760 holding on to the blue wall.

03:37:59.240 We shall see.

03:38:00.540 It's important to know.

03:38:01.800 I mean, it's not won yet.

03:38:04.400 Correct.

03:38:05.140 Correct.

03:38:05.500 And that's why there's still time.

03:38:07.500 It's not over yet.

03:38:08.240 We're not throwing in the towel.

03:38:09.480 There's a lot of hand wringing and bedwetting, but that's what we Democrats do.

03:38:14.680 So we'll see as the votes are counted.

03:38:17.100 Uh, Phil, while we were all focused on the electoral map, we got some news on our old

03:38:22.940 pal Fannie Willis, uh, seems the voters down in Atlanta are not done with her yet.

03:38:30.820 No.

03:38:31.500 And look, this is Fulton County after all.

03:38:34.020 And, uh, it looks like, uh, Trump only took about 27 ish percent of the vote.

03:38:39.900 And of course, uh, she being a Democrat, it just makes common sense that she's going to 0.98

03:38:45.240 sort of ride this, uh, this blue wave that's forever and ever going to exist, uh, in Fulton

03:38:51.660 County.

03:38:52.020 I'm just glad that our state in Georgia appears to have not become a national embarrassment

03:38:58.520 because we had some, some questions about whether another Metro Atlanta County and Gwinnett

03:39:04.280 County might have some voting irregularities or at least some issues with how those machines 0.81

03:39:10.120 counted the ballots in, in Gwinnett County.

03:39:12.560 But it looks like we've dodged perhaps a, uh, a national embarrassment bullet on that

03:39:17.620 one.

03:39:18.480 Hmm.

03:39:18.820 Okay.

03:39:19.160 So let's talk about lawfare guys, because I think we all know that really regardless of

03:39:24.460 who wins, um, there's going to be lawfare after the fact.

03:39:28.040 Do we, do we think that?

03:39:29.600 I mean, I think we think that, don't we think that?

03:39:34.280 Depends who wins.

03:39:36.740 Does it?

03:39:37.940 I don't know if that's true.

03:39:40.980 Go ahead, Phil.

03:39:43.240 Well, I do think as far as Trump is concerned that no matter what happens, he has that sentencing

03:39:47.660 in New York on November, I think it's 17th.

03:39:50.240 That's coming up and that's going to be very interesting.

03:39:52.460 We'll get to that in a second.

03:39:53.560 We'll get to the criminal case against Trump in one second.

03:39:55.200 I'm talking about the lawfare around this election.

03:39:56.960 I feel like it's going to come either way.

03:39:58.280 The reason I think that is, I think if he wins, they're going to be calling him an insurrectionist

03:40:03.280 again, trying to get him not, um, installed, trying to get the vote, not certified, maybe

03:40:10.100 trying to push faithless electors.

03:40:13.220 Um, I think all of that's coming our way.

03:40:15.100 You think, do you think Jamie Raskin is going to roll over and just accept Donald Trump's

03:40:19.760 victory?

03:40:20.320 Do you, do you think that Dave?

03:40:21.940 I, I do actually.

03:40:24.900 Yes.

03:40:25.260 Yes.

03:40:25.760 Democrats could grumble, but no, I don't think that they're going to try to do an insurrection

03:40:30.360 or do alternate electors or any of the things that happened four years ago.

03:40:34.340 No, uh, Democrats, uh, they can grumble, but they don't play the same game.

03:40:38.260 So no, I don't think that's going to happen.

03:40:40.140 All right.

03:40:40.640 How about you, Mike Davis?

03:40:41.580 What do you think?

03:40:42.040 Well, it depends on how much president Trump wins by, uh, tonight.

03:40:48.660 And it also depends on whether Republicans keep the house of representatives.

03:40:54.200 Uh, you know, look, they tried to bankrupt Trump.

03:40:57.180 They tried to throw him in prison for the rest of his life for non-crimes.

03:41:00.780 They're still trying to do that with that sentencing hearing in front of judge Mershon in Manhattan

03:41:05.880 on, I think it's November 26th, they've tried to, they've tried to take him off the ballot

03:41:12.080 and they underfunded his secret service protection.

03:41:15.220 So they're, they've tried to take off his head.

03:41:17.400 That all didn't work.

03:41:18.240 The American people, it looks like, have put president Trump back in the white house.

03:41:23.260 And as you said, Megan, uh, that Jamie Raskin seems pretty, uh, determined to try to block

03:41:30.340 that on January 6th.

03:41:31.920 And I, I would not bet that that guy's going to go quietly into the night if Trump wins this.

03:41:38.360 I just, I'd be shocked.

03:41:39.640 I know that they have said, we hate election deniers.

03:41:42.920 We hate everything that Trump did, but they hate Trump more than the charge of hypocrisy.

03:41:49.600 So that's what I think.

03:41:50.980 I think they will fight.

03:41:52.020 They'll fight legally.

03:41:53.100 But now if Kamala Harris manages to eke this out and we do need to discuss this, if she does

03:41:59.920 somehow manage to win these blue wall states, you guys, and it happens with the mail-in ballots

03:42:05.880 late in the game, the way we saw in 2020, Mike, you tell me what's going to happen.

03:42:14.380 Look, I think that president, if you look at the way the president, president Trump is trending

03:42:20.040 with this election, I think he's going to win beyond that margin.

03:42:24.840 I think he's going to win comfortably in these key swing states.

03:42:28.880 He may win all seven of these swing states.

03:42:32.860 And, uh, you know, I, I just, I don't, I don't see a scenario where the Democrats are

03:42:38.040 going to be able to send in these late mail ballots and, and take this election for Kamala

03:42:43.800 Harris.

03:42:44.700 Mm-hmm.

03:42:45.820 If, if he wins, there will be the question either way, wins or loses, what happens to

03:42:52.240 the law fair against him?

03:42:53.660 And I'll come to you in one second, Phil, and we'll talk about Atlanta.

03:42:56.320 But let me start with Dave, who wanted to talk about the sentencing.

03:42:59.260 Trump is scheduled at some point to go be sentenced for the conviction that was brought against

03:43:05.460 him, that was achieved against him.

03:43:07.260 But there is motion practice still pending on whether that trial needs to be redone because

03:43:12.860 they introduced evidence against him in the course of it that involved his time in the

03:43:17.540 Oval Office.

03:43:18.160 And in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling that you can't introduce evidence like that

03:43:21.600 against a president, a former president, they may be in a real pickle on whether they can

03:43:26.980 proceed to sentencing.

03:43:27.860 So Dave, what happens if, if he, let's start with, if he wins, what happens?

03:43:34.860 If he wins, he's going to have to still show up at the sentencing.

03:43:38.380 That's going to be must see TV.

03:43:40.200 If only they had cameras in the courtroom in New York, they really should change.

03:43:42.860 And then he'll get sentenced by Judge Mershon.

03:43:46.880 I don't know which way Judge Mershon is going to go.

03:43:48.800 I know Mike and I had differed on that, which way they're going to go.

03:43:51.480 I don't know.

03:43:52.220 But I can tell you that if he wins, then he will not serve any sentence in New York.

03:43:57.640 They'll postpone it.

03:43:58.780 They'll stay it until after he's out of office.

03:44:00.540 And then who knows what can happen four years later.

03:44:03.460 So and as far as the other cases, he will order his attorney general to drop the case in

03:44:08.920 Washington, D.C., as well as the case that is in the 11th Circuit, the Mar-a-Lago documents case.

03:44:15.080 And then you're left with the Fannie Willis case in Phil's area.

03:44:18.440 And that one.

03:44:19.220 Wait, before we get to that, before we get to that, Dave, before we get to that, will they,

03:44:23.640 will the DOJ comply if a, if a newly reelected President Trump orders them to drop the two

03:44:29.660 prosecutions?

03:44:30.320 Well, it'll be his own DOJ.

03:44:33.380 He's going to appoint an attorney general, like Cash Patel or something.

03:44:37.000 Or Mike Davis.

03:44:37.660 Mike Davis will be AG.

03:44:39.560 I'm rooting for Mike Davis.

03:44:41.540 I don't want to get ahead of myself in cabinet.

03:44:43.260 I'm hoping for Mike Davis, too.

03:44:45.580 Yeah, see?

03:44:47.720 Go ahead, Mike.

03:44:48.120 Because that's the only way I'll stay out of GWTMO.

03:44:51.620 As you guys all know, I'm too charming to get confirmed.

03:44:55.120 And so I have 0% chance of ever being Trump's attorney general.

03:44:59.420 But I will say this, look, President Trump's either going back to the White House or he's

03:45:04.240 going to Rikers Island.

03:45:05.380 And I think the American people are going to determine that tonight.

03:45:09.880 Okay, Phil.

03:45:10.780 So Fannie Willis has not given this whole thing up.

03:45:14.120 We had the judge who refused to DQ her, and it's being appealed, and it's not yet resolved.

03:45:21.540 So what's going to happen with the case in Atlanta?

03:45:23.200 Well, so next month in December, there's oral argument before the Georgia Court of Appeals

03:45:30.080 on the very issue of whether or not she, Fannie Willis, should be disqualified from further

03:45:35.920 prosecution in this case.

03:45:37.500 And look, the judges who are on that panel all come from pretty red areas of the state

03:45:43.580 of Georgia.

03:45:44.340 I'm not saying that politics creeps into the judicial system, but, hey, sometimes it might.

03:45:50.540 And I think, particularly that if he wins this election, and it looks like he will tonight,

03:45:55.900 I think that the Court of Appeals in Georgia is just going to have all the more reason to

03:46:00.760 go ahead and disqualify Willis.

03:46:03.380 And if that happens, this becomes an indictment without a prosecutor because the Georgia, they

03:46:10.080 have a state agency called the Prosecuting Attorneys Council.

03:46:12.800 They would be tasked with potentially assigning it to another prosecutor, and no other prosecutor

03:46:19.220 in their right mind in the state of Georgia is going to want to pick up the mantle and

03:46:24.460 try to carry this prosecution across the finish line.

03:46:27.800 They would have to start over from the very beginning, probably anyway, to clean up the

03:46:32.220 mess that's been made by Willis.

03:46:34.020 On the other hand, if I'm wrong and she's not recused from the case or dismissed from

03:46:38.980 the case, I think that it's stayed pretty much indefinitely.

03:46:43.560 I don't think the trial judge is going to want to proceed with any kind of active litigation

03:46:48.220 against a potential sitting president of the United States.

03:46:52.000 So one way or another, I am convinced that the Georgia case is dead in the water.

03:46:57.200 I'm convinced of that, too.

03:46:59.120 Dave, if he does lose, and the audience should be reminded, it is still possible.

03:47:06.340 We don't have a call in one of those three blue-wall states, and if she wins them all,

03:47:12.400 she's going to be the next president. 1.00

03:47:15.400 So if he loses, what happens with the New York case?

03:47:19.780 That one did proceed to verdict.

03:47:21.620 If the judge says, I'm not worried about that evidence we let in, I don't think that it would

03:47:26.440 have affected the verdict, and I'm going to go ahead and proceed with sentencing, then

03:47:30.580 what happens?

03:47:33.100 Yeah, then he'll sentence them, and then he'll go on appeal on the grounds you just said.

03:47:38.460 And then I suspect an appellate corps may rule that it's harmless error, or they may reverse

03:47:42.460 it and send it back.

03:47:43.600 I think it's probably harmless error.

03:47:45.120 And then Trump will get sentenced in New York, and he'll have to go through with the

03:47:49.520 sentence.

03:47:50.280 He can only have so many delays.

03:47:52.100 And then he'll also be put on trial in Washington, D.C.

03:47:54.420 That's the next one to go, the election interference case.

03:47:57.520 And then the 11th Circuit at some point soon is going to, I think, overturn Judge Cannon

03:48:01.860 and reinstate the Mar-a-Lago documents case.

03:48:05.500 I do agree with Phil.

03:48:06.680 I think that the case in Atlanta is a non-starter.

03:48:10.100 I don't see any end to that one or that that one will go to trial.

03:48:14.420 So I think Trump's facing serious legal liability in those three cases, including potential

03:48:19.560 incarceration.

03:48:20.040 You, Phil, you're shaking your head no on the 11th Circuit reversing, just to keep the

03:48:24.960 audience up to speed.

03:48:25.640 We were talking about the Mar-a-Lago documents case, where Trump took all those documents

03:48:29.020 and then didn't give them over to the feds when they were demanded.

03:48:31.760 And then the FBI raided his house.

03:48:33.480 And the judge in that case threw out the case saying Jack Smith, the special prosecutor,

03:48:37.420 had not been properly appointed, that it could have been cured if they had just gone

03:48:41.320 to a sitting U.S. attorney and said, would you please bring these charges?

03:48:43.860 But they didn't.

03:48:44.620 They really wanted to stick with Jack Smith.

03:48:46.460 So you were shaking your head no when Dave was saying he thinks that that ruling by Judge

03:48:53.080 Aileen Cannon will be reversed by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.

03:48:57.900 Yeah, I would have to respectfully disagree with my friend, because I think the 11th Circuit,

03:49:01.920 it's not carved in stone that they would reinstate the documents case.

03:49:06.400 I think the argument that Jack Smith was illegally appointed is a pretty good argument.

03:49:11.180 And let's remember, Donald Trump, if he wins, he can, of course, pardon himself.

03:49:16.180 But regardless of whether that happens, if let's say the 11th Circuit does do the opposite

03:49:22.420 of what I'm saying, that could be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

03:49:26.260 And I think they have every incentive and every reason to take that case from the 11th Circuit

03:49:32.580 and to rule on that issue.

03:49:34.140 They've already dropped some hints, at least some of the justices have, that perhaps the

03:49:38.500 appointment of Smith was an unlawful appointment.

03:49:41.480 So I just don't see the document case being revived by the 11th Circuit.

03:49:46.340 And if it if it is, if I'm wrong, I think it's going to be quite some time before that

03:49:51.400 case would ever get back to the trial.

03:49:53.460 All right.

03:49:54.040 Last but not least, Mike, if Trump wins tonight, we're going to hear a lot on the left about

03:49:58.400 Trump threatened to go after this one and Trump threatened to go after that one.

03:50:02.200 And I literally heard Michael Cohen on MSNBC this week saying he's going to leave the country.

03:50:07.340 He's getting a passport with a different he recommended that the MSNBC anchors do the

03:50:13.120 same.

03:50:14.120 So you tell me what he actually is likely to do with his Department of Justice.

03:50:18.500 Do you think he will order the prosecution of his enemies as was done to him?

03:50:23.840 I don't think he's going to order a political prosecution for non-crimes like the Biden-Harris

03:50:32.840 Justice Department and their allies in New York and Atlanta have done to him and his top

03:50:39.020 aide, Steve Bannon, who went to prison, Peter Navarro, who went to prison, his supporters

03:50:43.560 on January 6th who were persecuted under the Supreme Court's Fisher decision, parents outraged

03:50:51.060 by gender chaos in schools and the resulting rapes in bathrooms.

03:50:54.880 They set the FBI after them.

03:50:57.460 I mean, it's Christians praying at abortion clinics while they give amnesty to Joe Biden 0.60

03:51:03.240 and Hunter Biden and every scumbag Biden, BLM, Antifa, Hamas, trans terrorist, abortion

03:51:10.280 industry activists.

03:51:11.440 I mean, you're not going to see that during the Trump administration like the Biden-Harris

03:51:18.000 administration has done to Trump.

03:51:21.900 Guys, we should know soon.

03:51:23.720 We think we're going to know soon.

03:51:26.840 Thank you all.

03:51:27.760 Thanks for everything on this lawfare.

03:51:29.520 I'm not done with you yet.

03:51:30.840 I mean, we're definitely going to be talking about lawfare again, but you guys have been

03:51:33.220 just stellar.

03:51:33.980 Thank you.

03:51:36.020 Thanks, Brad.

03:51:36.600 Okay, up next, Buck Sexton, and we're also getting some exit poll data on the trans issue

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03:52:59.680 Our on-set guests are all back with us.

03:53:01.440 Rich Lowry, Charles C.W. Cook, and Maureen Callahan.

03:53:04.600 And Buck Sexton is with us as well, co-host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

03:53:09.940 Buck, welcome.

03:53:11.020 Great to see you.

03:53:11.920 Just want to let the audience know where things stand now.

03:53:15.140 Pretty much everyone is called North Carolina for President Trump.

03:53:17.960 But it's the only state that has been officially called.

03:53:21.300 The latest on the Georgia presidential race via NBC is 92% of the vote is in.

03:53:26.040 Trump is leading 50.8 to Harris' 48.3.

03:53:33.460 Let's see.

03:53:34.060 Fox reports that Republicans have taken control of the Senate.

03:53:37.620 Incumbent Republican Senator Deb Fischer wins in Nebraska.

03:53:42.840 Wow.

03:53:43.260 Oh, wow.

03:53:43.880 So, and let's see if I'm getting it all.

03:53:48.520 No, one other thing, Buck Sexton, and that is Scott Pressler.

03:53:52.400 Hold on a second.

03:53:53.820 Who I don't think anybody has done more to get out the vote in Pennsylvania for Trump than Scott Pressler.

03:54:00.460 He moved to Pennsylvania.

03:54:02.440 He's been like a one-man get-out-the-vote machine.

03:54:04.520 He's been registering.

03:54:05.080 He's the guy who got that million-vote difference, advantage to the Democrats, shrunk down to 300,000.

03:54:12.940 And we had him on the show.

03:54:14.520 He's an impressive guy.

03:54:15.360 And he just tweeted out the following few things.

03:54:17.940 President Trump won more votes out of Lancaster County than in 2020.

03:54:23.820 The Amish delivered. 0.96

03:54:26.520 Go Amish! 1.00

03:54:27.920 Witness!

03:54:29.200 Yeah.

03:54:29.700 President Trump received more votes in Butler County, where he took a bullet for us than in 2020.

03:54:36.920 Scott writes, I'm shaking.

03:54:38.720 Don't know what to say.

03:54:39.800 Wow, that's really sweet.

03:54:42.840 He worked so hard.

03:54:44.420 What were your reaction, Buck, to this just torrent of good news so far for Trump?

03:54:50.500 It looks like a great night for America and a bad night for communism.

03:54:54.960 I'm absolutely thrilled.

03:54:57.220 This is what the Democrats richly deserve, and I would say that.

03:55:01.640 I'm usually one for good sportsmanship and, you know, consideration for a battle well-fought.

03:55:07.960 When they spend the last few days of a campaign saying openly that Trump and his supporters are Nazis, I feel no grace.

03:55:16.900 I feel no sense of sadness at the sadness that they are feeling or empathy at the sadness that they are feeling.

03:55:25.200 They ran a candidate who's an utter fraud.

03:55:28.120 She's also a disgraceful person for her attempted character assassination of Brett Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearings. 0.72

03:55:34.560 I could go on at length just about that.

03:55:37.520 She's an abomination of a candidate. 1.00

03:55:40.120 She tried to lie to the American people.

03:55:41.940 She tried to hide from the American people.

03:55:44.100 And it looks like, and maybe tomorrow I'll have to eat my words, but whatever, I won't care.

03:55:48.520 It looks like the American people saw through it and have done the right thing.

03:55:52.840 And I haven't even gotten to what a great campaign I think Trump did run, the most iconic political moment of any of our lifetimes, a president taking a bullet, grazing the side of his head, and not just continuing on with his campaign, continuing with public appearances afterwards, but yelling fight, fight, fight in the moment to his crowd.

03:56:15.260 None of us have ever seen anything like that, and none of us, I think, ever will again.

03:56:18.820 And this was just a very clear choice between the return to four years of Trump policies and leadership, or I'm not even sure what we could say Kamala Harris would have done or would do if she were to win. 0.81

03:56:34.960 I think it's a very remote possibility now.

03:56:37.560 She ran away from everything that she had ever stood for in adult life.

03:56:41.120 She did so in about a 90-day period when it suited her, and she did so after pretending that her chief partner and the commander-in-chief didn't have dementia, which she clearly knew.

03:56:52.560 So, you know, they haven't started the tears over at MSNBC, Megan.

03:56:56.540 When I'm not checking in on your live stream, I've got a few different TVs here running, and I'll see what's going on there.

03:57:02.260 But when they start crying, I will start laughing because they deserve it.

03:57:06.100 The media went hysterical against Trump.

03:57:08.640 Everything that they said about him in these final weeks as their primary methods of attack was, I think, just completely insane, unhinged, and beyond the pale.

03:57:17.900 And here we are.

03:57:19.440 Also, by the way, all these Republican senators have had them all on at different points.

03:57:26.520 You know, Bernie Marino is a great guy.

03:57:28.040 I'm not sure.

03:57:28.640 I think Hovde is—I saw something like he was separated by six votes at one point.

03:57:33.460 I mean, it's like the closest Senate race anybody's seen since Al Franken, you know, some years ago in Minnesota.

03:57:41.280 So it's looking really good for Republicans in the Senate.

03:57:44.780 And I'm just—I'm very happy.

03:57:46.880 It feels like this is balance restored.

03:57:48.680 It feels like this is a reckoning on so many levels.

03:57:51.980 So let's just hope that I don't wake up tomorrow and find out that the magic ballots arrived in Detroit.

03:57:57.160 I know.

03:57:58.020 I know.

03:57:58.540 We all have to be cautious because we've been burned before.

03:58:00.860 I want to share this, Brett Baer reporting that he spoke to three separate sources close to the Harris—close to Harris and the campaign.

03:58:09.340 One said, quote, I think we're losing this, end quote.

03:58:12.820 Other two admit path is very thin.

03:58:15.960 Trump has more votes in counties in Pennsylvania where he should be losing by a bigger margin.

03:58:21.800 I mean, that's exactly—that's exactly it.

03:58:24.040 That's exactly how the decision desk will look at the outstanding vote to see, is he ahead by margins that could give him the padding he needs to win?

03:58:32.580 Or is he—is there still enough outstanding vote that could go her way to swing the state?

03:58:36.020 And it doesn't sound like they feel confident about it.

03:58:38.440 Let me ask you something on your analysis, Buck.

03:58:40.160 Do you think there's anything she could have done differently that would have changed the results we're seeing?

03:58:45.300 Um, no, I actually don't.

03:58:49.440 I think that I was one of the people who all along was—was insistent, and I was wrong, and unfortunately had to buy my good friend and co-host, Clay, the most expensive steak, I think, in the continental United States.

03:59:00.940 I saw that.

03:59:01.680 It had firecrackers in it.

03:59:04.680 Firecrackers, a gold case, the whole thing.

03:59:06.680 So Clay got his fancy steak.

03:59:08.900 I thought that they would still run Biden, quite honestly, and it wasn't because I wasn't fully aware of the cognitive decline, as I think all of your guests, you—I mean, everyone, we're all aware of what's happened to Joe Biden in recent years.

03:59:21.220 It was bad and continued to get worse, as age-related decline does.

03:59:24.920 But Kamala is a horrible candidate. 1.00

03:59:26.800 I mean, truly, Democrats recognize this in 2020.

03:59:29.780 She didn't become a different person because the circumstances of the election suddenly indicated that it would be more advantageous for them if they didn't have Joe Biden as the nominee.

03:59:41.740 So Kamala Harris was rejected resoundingly by the Democrats in their own primary in 2020, right?

03:59:47.420 It's one thing for Republicans to really dislike a candidate.

03:59:50.380 I mean, I know so many people who will say, you know, I hated Barack Obama.

03:59:53.900 I thought he was terrible.

03:59:54.520 Yeah, but he was really effective at winning the presidency, right?

03:59:58.160 I mean, you know, he was a once-in-a-generation—

04:00:00.000 That's the one thing he was really good at.

04:00:02.080 Right.

04:00:02.680 I mean, exactly, getting elected.

04:00:04.260 As a Democrat, he was really good at that, at running campaigns and as getting elected.

04:00:10.200 Kamala is quite obviously bad at this. 1.00

04:00:12.980 And people would say, well, she was a senator, you know, she was a senator before. 0.91

04:00:17.060 Yeah, but she's a machine politician who's never actually faced any real scrutiny. 0.84

04:00:20.940 And more than that, she's really a machine politician who represents the DEI wing of the Democrat Party.

04:00:27.700 And so she didn't have to be tested.

04:00:29.840 You know, this reminds me of Roger Ailes used to say that a lot of people were correspondents of Fox News and they want to be anchors.

04:00:36.260 And not everybody should be an anchor.

04:00:38.620 It's not the right job for everybody.

04:00:40.760 Some people are better field reporters.

04:00:41.880 And he used to say, he just wants to fail upwards.

04:00:45.560 That is the perfect example of failing upwards.

04:00:48.080 And that's her.

04:00:49.180 That's her. 0.88

04:00:49.900 She failed upward.

04:00:52.180 I mean, she might be the number one.

04:00:53.860 She might be the winner of failing upward, which is kind of a success. 0.70

04:00:57.480 So, I mean, she's number one at that.

04:00:59.780 Right?

04:01:00.020 But, I mean, you look back at her history.

04:01:01.780 She transferred into Howard.

04:01:03.040 She got into law school, it appears, through a DEI program.

04:01:06.220 She didn't do particularly well.

04:01:07.960 She failed the bar exam first time around.

04:01:10.320 She got a job in the DA's office.

04:01:13.580 She began an affair with a man 40 years her senior who was incredibly powerful in California politics.

04:01:19.420 He helped get her elected as DA.

04:01:21.460 And, boom, Bob's your uncle.

04:01:22.740 She was off to the political races in California, a bright blue state. 0.55

04:01:26.420 And then we all know how she got selected as vice president. 0.74

04:01:30.540 Yes, of course, because Biden made that explicit in his very Biden way where he says the things out loud that most Democrats know to sort of keep quiet.

04:01:38.060 Look, Kamala Harris also was a big believer in the Jussie Smollett hoax. 0.63

04:01:44.160 I mean, this is the reason that we have instructions on opening packages that tell people, like, you know, don't put this plastic over your head is because they have a very, very low cognitive ability.

04:01:54.100 And when you see somebody believing that Jussie Smollett was attacked by MAGA people on the south side of Chicago, I think it's fair to say that you're not dealing with the brightest bulb.

04:02:07.520 But I think it's quite obvious that Kamala Harris was never up for this at all.

04:02:13.620 And on top of that, I don't think, you know, there are some Democrats who I would disagree with and maybe don't think are particularly gifted or bright, but I think are fundamentally trying to be decent people.

04:02:24.100 Kamala Harris is absolutely vicious and ruthless. 1.00

04:02:26.260 The Kavanaugh hearings, which I remember very well, followed very closely and thought was one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen the Democrats do.

04:02:33.840 Of course, that was before some of the stuff that I've seen them do to Trump.

04:02:37.300 And I think that she never there was never the accountability for her role in what unraveled as a as a clear hoax to destroy a man, a good man in front of his family, his colleagues and the whole nation.

04:02:48.780 So I think Kamala is is a is a person of of no leadership, no character and no intelligence and that Democrats put.

04:02:58.060 And I don't say that about all Democrats.

04:02:59.680 I've never said Hillary Clinton is dumb character, not her strong suit. 1.00

04:03:03.700 She's not dumb.

04:03:05.440 Yeah, she's not dumb. 0.99

04:03:07.200 You know, I call Barack Obama is not dumb.

04:03:09.160 I mean, I really try to call it like I see it.

04:03:11.420 And and Joe Biden actually pretty dumb, but very much good at the glad handing, the grinning and the nonsense of 50 years in politics running in a state where he's never had a real challenge other than just doing whatever the Democrat Party tells him to.

04:03:26.000 So Biden kind of knows, you know, he knows his brief, we would say, like he knows how to play the game.

04:03:31.060 Not a smart guy, but not an ineffective guy as a politician.

04:03:35.040 Kamala Harris was absolutely never up for this. 1.00

04:03:36.780 I mean, just think of how offensive it is that she was running for president and that it was very obvious that the plan was don't have her do any media and spend a billion dollars so other people can tell the public how great she is and not have her actually at least Biden could pretend he was scared he was going to get covid and die.

04:03:55.940 But honestly, he was actually at risk from covid, given his age.

04:03:59.220 Kamala Harris, it was let's just fool people.

04:04:02.060 And the whole thing was so dishonest.

04:04:03.840 It was let's pretend that everything that she believed, she no longer believes.

04:04:08.600 Well, the paper statements issued by a campaign spokesperson, not even by her.

04:04:14.300 She she she still believes those things.

04:04:16.760 I mean, this is what I was pounding and saying about radio.

04:04:18.860 I said, if you think that Kamala Harris has changed any of this, the moment she would get into office, you would get radical executive orders on the environment, on the on the border and all of these things. 0.99

04:04:28.540 So it's not even that she changed last minute.

04:04:32.440 And can we see if maybe she's more moderate now or something?

04:04:35.800 It was an out and out lie.

04:04:39.200 And and, you know, I think that that finally was too much for people.

04:04:43.340 And I can't I'm hoping I mean, it's only what is it, midnight now.

04:04:47.000 So I'm hoping that we're not going to find out in three hours that suddenly I found dump trucks in Wisconsin full of Kamala, Kamala, Kamala.

04:04:53.720 And they're going to tell us a second because you're allowed to count them for three days after the after the election, assuming they were postmarked on the day of the election.

04:05:02.160 Just going to give you the latest here.

04:05:03.880 The New York Times latest leanings.

04:05:06.020 They say Trump has a 95 percent chance of winning Georgia, 80 percent chance of winning Arizona, 73 percent chance of winning Pennsylvania, 72 percent chance of winning Wisconsin.

04:05:17.840 Yeah, this is what and 67 percent chance of winning Michigan.

04:05:21.020 That's all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

04:05:22.820 This is why it's so gloomy at Kamala Harris HQ.

04:05:27.720 And they're giving interviews, well, or at least comments to people like Brett Baer saying it looks like we're losing.

04:05:33.960 Yes, it does.

04:05:34.920 It does look like you're losing.

04:05:36.480 Buck, I got to give you I got to run.

04:05:38.040 But I'm going to give you the last word.

04:05:39.660 I am interested.

04:05:41.880 You mentioned why you think Trump is winning the stellar campaign.

04:05:46.740 You think he's run.

04:05:47.920 Explain.

04:05:48.140 I think that he showed more discipline, more creativity and more storytelling, more narrative this time around than we had seen before.

04:06:00.740 I mean, 2016 was kind of its own magical thing because of just the nature of being this guy that came down the escalator and was really making it up as he went along.

04:06:08.520 And the improvisation itself was was remarkable.

04:06:10.660 But there were clearly missteps and there were things that I think in 2020 they realized couldn't be replicated this time around.

04:06:19.580 So, yeah, it was it was the best version of Trump that that we've seen.

04:06:24.040 I think that, you know, he went into one debate and ended the candidacy of his opponent.

04:06:29.380 Biden's age gave him a lot of help.

04:06:30.880 But, you know, facts are facts.

04:06:32.920 I think he did well enough against Kamala in the other debate.

04:06:35.340 I also think debates are very much overrated.

04:06:36.840 And I will say that the Elon factor in all of this is something that a lot of people will be looking at much more.

04:06:44.360 Yes, it was Trump.

04:06:45.340 It's his victory.

04:06:46.040 It's his night, assuming that it is a victory.

04:06:48.380 But I think Elon was among the most important people with the purchase of X.

04:06:52.440 But also to have the richest man in the world and the most important entrepreneur in the world go full red pill and to have people like Joe Rogan, who really do try to play it down the center, say it's got to be Trump.

04:07:04.600 And, yeah, I mean, it's got to be Trump.

04:07:06.580 And let me tell you something.

04:07:07.620 Let me tell you something about Elon, too.

04:07:10.040 Elon Musk, he voted for Barack Obama twice.

04:07:13.300 He's not been a Republican.

04:07:15.620 And then Elon Musk had a child who said that she was trans.

04:07:22.120 I think it's a girl who transitioned to boy.

04:07:24.280 And he has said he got sucked into the medical community that said you have to affirm or the child's going to kill herself and all the things that we know that they're doing.

04:07:35.840 And he regrets having done as instructed.

04:07:39.800 And his child did, quote, transition.

04:07:42.080 I don't know exactly the full extent of it, but his eyes were opened.

04:07:45.920 And that issue has proven very powerful, even according to the exit polls today.

04:07:51.940 And I do think it activated and began the red pilling of Elon Musk.

04:07:57.160 I think it set him on a path that saved free speech in America when he bought X that led him to start taking in more conservative thought by following more conservative accounts that were speaking honestly about this issue.

04:08:09.500 I mean, I watched it happen with him, and I do believe he had a critical role in saving this election, if that's indeed the result that we're looking at tonight.

04:08:19.000 All these things have a reason.

04:08:20.440 And as people wake up, they help others do the same.

04:08:23.120 I got to run, Buck.

04:08:24.260 I'll give you a last quick word.

04:08:25.660 Oh, sure.

04:08:26.060 I was just, yeah.

04:08:26.660 Okay.

04:08:27.080 Well, anyway, Elon did a great job.

04:08:30.040 All right.

04:08:30.600 All the best.

04:08:31.300 You guys stand by.

04:08:32.140 Right now, we're going to get back to Henry Olson, senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls podcast.

04:08:39.080 All right, Henry, what's the latest?

04:08:43.700 Well, it's continuing to look fantastic for Donald Trump.

04:08:47.320 You know, 85% of the vote in in Pennsylvania.

04:08:50.620 His vote margin continues to be sustainable, even as Philadelphia comes in.

04:08:58.220 And it's just really hard.

04:09:00.940 Yeah, you can't call it, but it's just increasingly hard to see where she comes back.

04:09:06.840 And the same is true in Wisconsin.

04:09:09.080 I would not be surprised if in the next three hours we are able to call the election.

04:09:15.660 She would need to have pretty much a miracle that happened in all three blue states right now in some part of the state. 0.69

04:09:24.120 And the miracles have not been coming up for her.

04:09:26.240 So explain that, because, you know, there are still major cities like Milwaukee, like Philadelphia, I guess Detroit, that could bring in a huge amount of vote for her. 1.00

04:09:38.040 Are you seeing something that says she can't do that to, you know, put her over the edge in these three?

04:09:42.200 Yeah, well, you know, the thing is that Philadelphia's vote is increasingly coming in.

04:09:49.380 That, as we're talking, 86% of the vote is in in Philadelphia.

04:09:54.760 Her margins are lower than Joe Biden's.

04:09:56.920 There are votes out, but there aren't a whole lot of them out in those areas.

04:10:03.440 And there's Trump votes that are still out, you know, like Cambria County, where they had a scanner problem.

04:10:09.200 That's going to be like a 70% Trump County right now.

04:10:12.740 But right now it's 50-50 because the only votes they've counted are the male early votes.

04:10:17.860 You know, so you've got tens of thousands of votes left for Trump in rural Pennsylvania.

04:10:22.680 So, you know, Philadelphia is not going to save her.

04:10:24.980 Then you take a look at Milwaukee.

04:10:26.960 You know, he's ahead by 100,000 votes.

04:10:29.960 Half the votes are in, and her margins are less.

04:10:34.480 And there are still Trump votes out in rural and suburban Wisconsin.

04:10:40.660 Milwaukee can help, but she's not going to get saved by that.

04:10:44.220 Michigan is the state where there's not a whole lot in from Detroit right now, and that could very well be a game changer for her.

04:10:50.800 But she has to win all three.

04:10:52.980 The only way she wins all three is for something to happen outside of the big cities that hasn't happened for her anywhere in the country tonight.

04:11:02.460 And if that happens, then maybe she can win all three.

04:11:05.760 But it's not a hand I would want to bet on, even with massive odds given to me.

04:11:14.480 Talk to me about the mail-in balloting, though.

04:11:16.440 I think we're all feeling a little squirrely because we all got burned in 2020 thinking, yeah, he's got it, went to bed, mail-in balloting changed everything.

04:11:27.860 Yeah, well, the thing is that the mail-in balloting, first of all, is much, much less than it was in 2020.

04:11:32.880 Secondly, they have been able to process it much faster.

04:11:35.920 There is not, with, again, the possible exception of Detroit, there is not that batch of 150,000 mail-in ballots left in Milwaukee.

04:11:46.340 Those have been reported.

04:11:47.900 The mail-in ballots in Philadelphia have been reported.

04:11:51.140 That batch does not exist anywhere.

04:11:53.580 Rich and Charles may want to weigh in here.

04:11:57.380 Stand by.

04:11:57.740 So, Henry, the most important question facing us in this election, is it now looking as though your New York Post predictions are going to be proved out or not?

04:12:07.400 That's what we're all waiting to learn.

04:12:13.280 My predictions in the New York Post are looking extremely, extremely good right now.

04:12:22.520 Swagger.

04:12:23.580 Henry, I saw it suggested about an hour ago that the Republicans might lose the House, despite what we've seen in the presidential race and the Senate.

04:12:35.460 Is that likely?

04:12:39.060 No, it's not likely.

04:12:40.300 The House is up for grabs.

04:12:43.180 It's hard to go through the House in detail as I'm going through all of the other things.

04:12:48.900 The House was on such a precarious margin.

04:12:51.320 And the House, of course, goes to the popular vote nationwide.

04:12:55.940 And so Trump is going to win the Electoral College by winning small margins in high-profile states.

04:13:02.920 Republicans could keep the House.

04:13:04.440 I'm not sure we'll know for a while because so many seats are in California that count so many votes late.

04:13:13.240 And it's just hard to know how they're going to go.

04:13:15.460 But the House is still in play.

04:13:17.480 The Senate is not.

04:13:19.060 And it looks like my prediction that if Trump takes a state, the senator, who is a Republican candidate, will also take the state.

04:13:27.200 That looks like it's going to come true.

04:13:29.140 So if the current trends go, Republicans will have between 54 and 56 seats in the Senate.

04:13:36.000 But the House will still be in play, and we won't know until more votes, particularly in California and Arizona, are counted.

04:13:45.320 Henry, do you feel that the math is so bulletproof that the left will be unable to deny the results?

04:13:54.800 Deny the results.

04:14:04.040 Anyone can deny results.

04:14:06.980 When George W. Bush won Ohio by 2%, people argue that that was because the machines cast by the Diebold company had been manipulated by software.

04:14:21.540 And they actually challenged the votes on the floor of the House.

04:14:25.160 Senator Barbara Boxer gave the Senate ability to have that challenge, and they tried to overturn the election. 1.00

04:14:32.320 People forget that, but that's what they did.

04:14:35.880 They can deny the results if they want, but there is no justification for doing so based on the trends we are seeing right now.

04:14:45.040 The votes that are being cast are legal.

04:14:47.140 The votes will produce a result that is demonstrably true, that is demographically consistent, that is supported by exit polls.

04:14:56.640 They can do what they want, but I see any way that they can overturn this election.

04:15:02.320 And they would be only trying to rev up their base by following suit and doing that.

04:15:07.760 Henry, why haven't we gotten a call yet in Georgia?

04:15:11.260 The only call we've gotten is North Carolina.

04:15:12.920 I haven't gotten a call in Georgia.

04:15:14.020 I haven't gotten a call in Arizona, right?

04:15:17.400 And haven't gotten a call in Nevada.

04:15:20.600 Well, Nevada hasn't released any votes yet because their rule is that they cannot release any early votes until all of the precincts are closed.

04:15:31.260 And so somebody must be voting in person somewhere.

04:15:34.260 Arizona, only half of the votes have been counted, and it's 50-50.

04:15:38.920 There's no reason for a call in Arizona.

04:15:40.600 Why the Georgia hasn't been called is beyond me.

04:15:46.040 Unless the number of votes that people think are outstanding is much, much greater than is apparent on the AP call,

04:15:58.380 it certainly looks like Georgia is outside of Kamala Harris's grasp. 1.00

04:16:03.620 I think they're being ultra cautious because of the consequences.

04:16:08.000 If they call Georgia, then they may have to call the election for Trump within the next three hours,

04:16:13.720 and they may not want to do that until it's absolutely 100% necessary.

04:16:18.740 They know they're playing with fire.

04:16:21.540 Georgia's big, and he's had a steady lead in almost all the votes in.

04:16:25.080 So, yeah, we're all wondering.

04:16:27.000 Don't go too far.

04:16:28.180 Henry, are those your students behind you?

04:16:30.120 We're like, kind of looks like you're in an airport, but that's your classroom, right?

04:16:35.760 I am here at the invitation of my best friend, Terry Hallmark,

04:16:39.920 who's a professor at the University of Houston Honors College.

04:16:42.940 So they're his students, not my students, but they've been here for five hours listening to all of this,

04:16:48.620 and they deserve a medal.

04:16:51.600 Yeah, they're learning a lot.

04:16:53.420 Oh, well, Henry, so are we, thanks to you.

04:16:55.080 All right, stand by.

04:16:55.780 Thank you so much.

04:16:56.520 Love, Henry.

04:16:57.140 So, so full of information.

04:16:58.860 I want to bring into this discussion Victor Davis Hanson.

04:17:02.880 Victor, I mean, it's really incredible when you hear Henry say, we could be talking about 55,

04:17:09.260 I think he said the number 56?

04:17:11.140 He did.

04:17:12.120 Possible Senate seats?

04:17:14.600 I mean, this, you know, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but Henry's no slouch.

04:17:17.820 That's, that's how he sees this election potentially shaping up.

04:17:21.420 Who would have dreamed?

04:17:22.520 Well, you know, in the last two to three weeks, there were all these indicators that were there.

04:17:30.880 The Mexican-American, Hispanic, Latino, whatever term we use, male vote was supposedly at polling at record highs.

04:17:39.700 There was a vast defection of African-American males.

04:17:43.820 As we said last time, in particular states, there were, in Michigan especially, there was even division among the Muslim vote.

04:17:52.360 There was problems with the EV mandate.

04:17:54.660 There were even reports of the Amish were being recruited more heavily by the Republicans.

04:18:01.520 I had, I'm on a board, so I go to Milwaukee.

04:18:04.140 And I remember in August and September, there were people on the left that did not want to get,

04:18:09.620 continue with the get out of the vote effort in inner city of Milwaukee,

04:18:13.960 because they were afraid that African-American males were going to be encouraged to vote

04:18:17.920 and they were going to lose 20 to 25%.

04:18:21.000 I'm just saying that again, because Megan, when I looked at the vote, they were static.

04:18:25.740 The polls, they were static and they never showed any of this.

04:18:31.260 And it seemed that laymen could see that something was going on.

04:18:34.620 And that just begs the question, why, why didn't they do it?

04:18:37.440 And whether they deserve it or not, their reputation is back to 2016, if that.

04:18:44.760 Because they were showing Bernie Moreno losing by, and same thing with, in McCormick and all of the Senate.

04:18:53.400 They were basically telling us it was going to be deadlocked or they were going to lose.

04:18:57.540 Republicans were not going to regain the Senate.

04:19:00.020 And Trump was, in the last 48 or 72 hours, lost his momentum, etc.

04:19:06.000 So, it really, it's just, I think it's destroyed the reputation.

04:19:11.720 There were three or two or three polls in 2020, the Trafalgar, but especially this Brazilian poll,

04:19:19.040 Atlas and Tell, and then Erasmus, that were, at least on the margin of error,

04:19:25.420 maybe not picking the winner, but on the margin of error, they were the top three.

04:19:28.720 And yet, when they consistently were polling pretty much what we're looking at tonight,

04:19:33.860 and no one really took them seriously.

04:19:35.540 They were seen as outliers.

04:19:38.140 So, a lot, I think a lot of people are, I think the polls are discredited.

04:19:44.760 I think a lot of people saw this.

04:19:46.560 And I'm not saying that the election's over.

04:19:48.680 We don't know what's going to happen.

04:19:49.940 But there was enough indications out there.

04:19:52.500 If a person looked at it disinterestedly and empirically,

04:19:55.260 they could see that this was not going to be 2020.

04:19:59.020 And it wasn't even going to, it was going to be better for Trump in 2016.

04:20:02.700 That probably will be.

04:20:04.520 Victor, the Hispanic vote is turning out to be the story of the night. 1.00

04:20:09.760 Ryan Gerdusky, he just tweeted out that Trump, we verified this ourselves,

04:20:16.440 Trump won Star County, Texas, the most Hispanic county in America,

04:20:22.000 at 97% Hispanic, by 16 points.

04:20:26.480 By 16 points.

04:20:27.480 The last time this county voted Republican was in 1892.

04:20:32.080 And Trump just won it by 16.

04:20:36.400 Here is Chuck Todd talking about the Hispanic vote tonight.

04:20:42.760 Take a listen.

04:20:43.220 Look, Hispanic voters are swing voters.

04:20:49.020 And I think, you know, what's interesting here is the Republican Party

04:20:52.240 treated them the same way they treated white working class voters.

04:20:55.380 They courted them the same way they treated white working class voters. 0.64

04:20:58.180 The Democratic Party has spent a lot of time treating it as an identity group.

04:21:01.140 You know, whether it's Latinx, which sort of fell flat.

04:21:05.720 And so there's been a lot of hand-wringing about this inside Democratic circles.

04:21:11.000 A real split, like, you know, it was,

04:21:13.220 it was a total misread sort of by the coastal strategists

04:21:16.380 when it comes to how to target working class voters of color.

04:21:22.100 And I think we're starting to see sort of a working class coalition

04:21:25.980 start to drift to the right.

04:21:28.320 You know, before, Donald Trump had working class whites.

04:21:31.040 Now he's adding working class Hispanics and working class,

04:21:33.740 not necessarily seeing evidence of working class African Americans,

04:21:36.200 but adding working class Hispanics,

04:21:38.140 that becomes a very durable majority.

04:21:40.520 Fair point.

04:21:44.800 Yeah, he's got a point, but of course, he should look in the mirror

04:21:47.840 because the greatest purveyors of Latinx and identity politics

04:21:51.760 are people like Chuck Todd and the media in general.

04:21:55.680 And we've been doing this, you and I have been talking for a year,

04:21:59.680 and I've said that I could not believe that every Mexican-American male 1.00

04:22:03.340 fellow with the age of 40 in this town that I live in

04:22:06.480 that's about 90, 95% was voting for Trump.

04:22:09.560 I'd never seen anything like it.

04:22:10.940 And they were mostly contractors, painters, shingle people, 0.99

04:22:15.300 and they would come up to me and say,

04:22:16.860 why aren't you talking about plywood?

04:22:19.020 You know, it's a hundred and something dollars now, one-inch plywood.

04:22:23.640 Romex is ten times more.

04:22:25.400 Gas, I can't even afford to fill up.

04:22:27.500 Who are these people?

04:22:29.000 And it was total denial.

04:22:31.180 The media is complicit in that.

04:22:33.820 And the other thing that's really ironic is we heard from a lot of people

04:22:37.800 in the traditional Republican Party that Donald Trump was a racist.

04:22:41.340 He was polarizing.

04:22:42.160 And that's all true that he was polarizing,

04:22:44.540 but he did much better than the people who called him racist within the party

04:22:48.920 because he outperformed, and he had before,

04:22:52.100 the McCain-Romney wing of the Republican Party

04:22:54.660 because whether it was deserved or not,

04:22:57.380 they had the stigma of aristocratic, you know, snobbishness.

04:23:03.360 I don't know.

04:23:03.640 It was a stereotype.

04:23:04.460 I didn't believe that.

04:23:05.240 But that was the image of the Republican Party.

04:23:07.600 They were interested in capital gains cuts,

04:23:09.400 cuts privatizing Social Security and, you know,

04:23:14.480 muscular foreign policy that might include optional wars,

04:23:19.560 some of which I am supported.

04:23:21.760 But this idea that Donald Trump, of all people,

04:23:25.520 this kind of supposedly obnoxious, crude billionaire,

04:23:28.960 was redefining the Republican Party

04:23:31.200 by substituting class solidarity that transcended race and identity politics,

04:23:36.340 no one in the Republican Party really believed it.

04:23:40.220 And they kept saying that he was polarizing.

04:23:42.160 He was going to lose it.

04:23:43.380 The irony about all this, Megan,

04:23:45.040 is if this Latino vote is even close to 50-50,

04:23:49.940 the Democratic Party will rethink their open border strategy.

04:23:53.380 They really will.

04:23:54.960 Oh, listen to this.

04:23:55.300 For two reasons.

04:23:56.040 Maybe practically.

04:23:56.500 Listen to this, Victor.

04:23:57.620 Listen to this.

04:23:58.420 Yeah.

04:23:58.480 Per Fox's Bill Melugin, Prop 36 in California will pass reversing Prop 47,

04:24:05.480 which is that soft on crime initiative where they said,

04:24:09.040 if you steal less than $1,000, $950, it's not a felony and you're good.

04:24:15.060 And that led to a whole lot more stealing.

04:24:17.200 And finally, the people of California got out in there and said,

04:24:20.820 you people are insane and reversed this policy. 0.91

04:24:25.840 She was asked, as a Californian,

04:24:28.120 whether she was going to vote to support the reversal of this insane policy.

04:24:31.740 And she refused to say, what a shock.

04:24:34.860 I have a feeling you, Victor Davis Hanson, voted in favor of Prop 36.

04:24:40.400 Just one more piece of it.

04:24:42.840 Bill reports that one of Prop 47's architects,

04:24:47.260 L.A. District Attorney George Gascon,

04:24:49.680 is currently losing his race by 22 points.

04:24:54.540 Go ahead.

04:24:55.840 Well, if you go into San Francisco and you see something that no one could imagine five years

04:25:01.880 ago, when you see cars, and I've seen them a lot, with the windows down, a little cardboard

04:25:06.320 placard said, unlock nothing here.

04:25:09.200 In other words, I'm not going to get my window broken in by a thief.

04:25:13.740 I'll let the thief go through my car instead.

04:25:17.020 It's a lawless place.

04:25:18.220 But it's kind of analogous to the recent proposition two years ago that tried to reintroduce racial

04:25:24.960 identity politics and hiring, and that was refuted as well.

04:25:28.940 What's happening in California is kind of a first step.

04:25:31.220 They haven't yet evolved to get rid of the politicians that support these things, but some of these

04:25:37.700 politicians realize that almost their entire policy, whether it's the Green New Deal or

04:25:43.940 no fracking or 30 cents a kilowatt electricity or banning, trying to shut down nuclear plants, etc.

04:25:54.700 High-speed rail, it's 13 years, it's five miles from my house, Megan, and they haven't laid any track.

04:26:02.040 It's full of graffiti, and it's up to about $17 billion, right?

04:26:06.440 The 99 freeway right next to it is ossified at four lanes.

04:26:10.220 It's the most dangerous freeway in the United States per mile driven.

04:26:14.520 People are slaughtered on it every weekend while they do this utopian experiment dreamed up by the coastal elite.

04:26:22.860 So they understand that their policies are not viable anymore, even in California, especially

04:26:29.360 with 45% of the population Latino.

04:26:32.800 But they haven't made the next step yet, and that is to not vote Democratic, because as you

04:26:38.600 saw from the popular vote in California, it was heavily Democratic.

04:26:43.380 They're going to have to do it bit by bit through these little propositions, but that's a long road.

04:26:48.860 Victor, got to run.

04:26:49.720 I know you're busy tonight, too.

04:26:51.260 Thank you so much for being here.

04:26:53.620 Thank you.

04:26:54.560 Say hello to your guests.

04:26:55.740 I know them.

04:26:56.980 Yeah, they're saying hello to you, too.

04:27:00.560 Okay, Rich, Charlie, Maureen, still with me now.

04:27:03.560 Just a little update.

04:27:04.480 So Scott Pressler, our one-man registration factory in Pennsylvania, saying that in Berks County,

04:27:10.360 Pennsylvania, Trump gained more votes.

04:27:13.660 Kamala lost more votes than in 2020.

04:27:16.780 So she went down from where Biden was.

04:27:18.840 Trump went up from where he was.

04:27:20.680 Berks County has a large population of, can you guess, Hispanics.

04:27:26.100 Yep.

04:27:26.420 Yep.

04:27:26.840 Dominicans and Puerto Ricans.

04:27:28.980 It's really unbelievable, obviously, seeing quite a trend here.

04:27:31.920 Um, I don't, I don't know whether this will change a thing amongst the left, our friends

04:27:40.820 on the left.

04:27:41.100 I don't, I don't think they know how to speak to this group in a way that will resonate.

04:27:47.040 And just like, I don't think they're going to respond to the messaging on the trans issue

04:27:51.200 either, which is at least half of the electorate said in the exit polls, this is too much.

04:27:57.500 We've gone too far.

04:27:58.460 I want to see if I can get, yeah, about half of voters overall said support for transgender

04:28:02.100 rights.

04:28:02.780 This is how they put it, transgender rights.

04:28:04.360 That's the nicest framing you can possibly do of it, um, has gone too far.

04:28:10.540 I mean, if you actually said, are you in favor of chopping off the body parts, healthy

04:28:13.440 body parts of children who can't give informed consent, do you favor that?

04:28:17.240 We'd have in the nineties.

04:28:18.960 But you tell me whether you think the Democrats can change messaging on this.

04:28:23.420 Doubtful.

04:28:23.780 Um, you know, the left as, as Mark Halpern and his crew were saying, Halpern and his

04:28:29.680 crew were saying, is probably just going to double down and say the problem with Kamala

04:28:32.900 Harris is that she was insincere, didn't stick with, stick with the left wing positions and 1.00

04:28:36.800 went around with the Republican who didn't deliver, uh, for her in the form of Liz Cheney.

04:28:40.980 It's going to be really fun when they blame it on Liz Cheney. 0.96

04:28:43.140 Yeah, exactly.

04:28:44.580 But you know, the, the left has a lot to answer here for, um, for here.

04:28:51.260 But also this is a major failure of the democratic establishment.

04:28:54.520 So you look 2016, they wanted Hillary Clinton.

04:28:57.320 Wasn't Hillary Clinton was foisted on her. 1.00

04:28:58.840 They wanted to clear the field for her because they thought she was so great.

04:29:01.560 Horrible candidate.

04:29:02.360 Maybe the only Democrat that year could lose to Donald Trump.

04:29:04.840 And she did.

04:29:05.460 They got Biden right in 2020.

04:29:07.200 He was the strongest alternative against Trump and he wins.

04:29:09.580 But then they went along with the crazy idea that he was fit to run again and gaslit the

04:29:14.820 whole nation and then flocked to her, right?

04:29:18.860 A completely flawed candidate.

04:29:20.300 And I remember you saying, I was on, I think the day of the switcheroo and you're like,

04:29:24.580 there's no way she can win, right?

04:29:25.980 She's, she's terrible in all aspects of this.

04:29:28.240 And you ended up, you know, she, she had her moments, but you ended up being right.

04:29:31.360 Right.

04:29:31.820 But, but the establishment was all in.

04:29:33.640 And I think one, one leak we'll hear probably pretty soon if she loses, you know, a day 1.00

04:29:38.080 or two later, someone close to Barack Obama saying, you know, he always wanted a competitive

04:29:42.680 process when, when Biden stepped, stepped aside.

04:29:45.880 Can I add a moment in your chronology?

04:29:49.060 I think you missed.

04:29:49.640 And that is that Joe Biden won because he was the candidate you described.

04:29:53.300 And then he allowed himself to be convinced.

04:29:55.540 Yes.

04:29:55.800 Right.

04:29:56.180 By progressive activists and historians who aren't really historians, or at least who weren't

04:30:02.040 acting as historians, that he ought to run hard to the left and forget why it was that

04:30:07.800 he won in the first place.

04:30:08.820 And so he goes from being Joe Biden, caretaker, president, bridge to the future, moderate,

04:30:14.360 reasonable man who can beat Donald Trump to trying to spend $6 trillion and going all

04:30:20.060 in on the trans nonsense. 0.87

04:30:22.000 And that's a huge shift.

04:30:23.700 And just DEI in general.

04:30:25.380 I mean, he totally bought into the left's culture war in a way that, I mean, you see them

04:30:29.700 running from it now, right?

04:30:30.860 Like, she wasn't touting that stuff on the campaign trail.

04:30:34.020 You saw the New York Times piece saying even they acknowledge she's distanced herself.

04:30:37.880 But I think some voters have got wise to this because they saw what happened with Biden

04:30:43.320 where he didn't run on it, but then he did it anyway.

04:30:46.060 And I've heard a bunch of people who are more moderate say, well, they don't run on this

04:30:50.880 stuff, but then the bureaucracy implements it anyway.

04:30:54.660 I mean, to your initial question, which was can they learn from it, they probably have

04:30:59.640 to lose more than one election to learn.

04:31:02.100 I think you have to lose three, basically, before you change.

04:31:05.120 The other problem they've got is they've turned a lot of their policy positions into

04:31:08.300 these moral absolutes.

04:31:09.620 And the problem with moral absolutes is you can't compromise.

04:31:12.000 I mean, we think about taxes, right?

04:31:13.640 We go in and we say, well, we want to lower them.

04:31:15.900 And they say we don't.

04:31:16.740 And then we come to some sort of arrangement.

04:31:18.600 But if it is the civil rights issue of our time to cut off the genitals of underage children, 0.88

04:31:25.040 you can't say we'll cut some off.

04:31:27.080 Right.

04:31:27.220 You have to you have to kind of go all in.

04:31:30.320 And breaking that habit with them is actually going to be very, very difficult because they

04:31:34.420 have convinced themselves that this is disgracefully that this is the equivalent of Selma.

04:31:39.140 So they're going to have to work their way out of that.

04:31:41.800 But you're not going to do that with one election.

04:31:43.540 Well, but, you know, it's interesting.

04:31:44.880 I feel so validated by this whole thing because this issue was huge for Trump.

04:31:50.300 It was all over there, as we pointed out, the NFL ads and so on.

04:31:53.060 It resonated.

04:31:54.000 They knew that they were getting hurt by it.

04:31:55.540 That's why The New York Times tried to drop a piece saying Trump did it, too, which was

04:31:58.380 a lie.

04:31:59.260 She raised it in her interview with Bret Baier.

04:32:01.140 Oh, he did it, too, which was not true again.

04:32:03.540 But if they see that it's costing them elections, this is a very small group of people.

04:32:08.440 They're very loud and very nasty.

04:32:11.080 The trans activists, not trans people, but the trans activists.

04:32:13.920 So I do wonder, because you're going to have a tension between the Democrats who say we

04:32:18.840 need to win elections and those who say, oh, but we've got to bow, bend the knee to

04:32:23.740 these almighty activists who will make my life a living hell.

04:32:26.700 And they will.

04:32:28.180 Trust me, my years at NBC, if you did a segment on the trans issue without having an actual

04:32:32.960 trans person as part of the discussion, GLAAD would be calling you for a week.

04:32:37.320 And these news organizations respond to that.

04:32:39.460 Never mind these leftists.

04:32:40.520 So they're in a pickle here, Maureen.

04:32:44.200 I agree.

04:32:45.300 I think that we're seeing a bit of movement and it's going to take a very long time.

04:32:50.440 You know, it was within, I want to say, the past year that Pamela Paul wrote that piece

04:32:55.040 for The Times.

04:32:55.820 Yes, that was big.

04:32:56.940 That was big.

04:32:58.240 It was huge.

04:32:59.380 And since then, to see this become a flashpoint, I think it's going to take a lot of time.

04:33:05.980 But to Charlie's point about moral absolutes and forgive my voice, it sounds worse than

04:33:10.800 it is.

04:33:11.120 It's kind of saucy.

04:33:12.140 Oh, thanks.

04:33:12.780 I like to think it's very to me more.

04:33:14.540 It is.

04:33:14.700 I think if things are going the way they look and Trump wins, what we're going to see on

04:33:22.760 the left is going to be very dispiriting because they are going to say hate won, racism won,

04:33:29.720 misogyny won, women's rights lost, transphobia won, and we're in for a dark, dark time.

04:33:37.740 Their postmortem, I don't think, isn't going to be about what they did wrong.

04:33:42.180 And it's going to go from Trump is bad to the country is bad.

04:33:45.420 Exactly.

04:33:46.200 Especially if he wins the popular vote.

04:33:47.640 They are garbage.

04:33:48.880 Right.

04:33:49.560 Yeah.

04:33:50.140 FYI, we are expecting Trump to speak at some point soon from Mar-a-Lago.

04:33:56.820 And now just receiving word that Kamala Harris is not planning to address the public during

04:34:03.440 the night, according to a person familiar with the White House, spoke to AP and CBS also

04:34:09.720 reporting.

04:34:09.980 So Trump's going to speak.

04:34:10.900 He, she's not going to speak.

04:34:13.520 I don't know what he's going to say.

04:34:15.860 He's probably going to declare victory.

04:34:18.180 We'll see.

04:34:19.040 I think he'll hedge it a little, but we're, you don't think so.

04:34:23.220 He's going to declare victory if you're losing.

04:34:25.900 He doesn't have to declare victory.

04:34:27.320 Exactly right.

04:34:27.700 But it is amazing to watch sort of the moods change at the, at the various, you know, the

04:34:33.640 various camps.

04:34:34.340 I'm sure there's, it's very gloomy at team Harris or West Palm Beach, Florida.

04:34:39.600 That's Trump because Kamala Harris is in Washington DC at Howard. 1.00

04:34:43.420 The other thing I point I want to raise with you, Maureen is they will say misogyny one

04:34:48.960 and it will not only be because their women's rights issue, abortion, didn't get the attention

04:34:54.660 that they wanted it in, in electoral response, but because she's a woman, they will absolutely

04:34:59.820 play that card.

04:35:00.580 Yes, they will.

04:35:03.460 That is going to be very, very dark for us, for all of us.

04:35:08.540 It's not because she was a woman.

04:35:10.420 It's because she was a piss poor candidate. 1.00

04:35:13.980 That's it.

04:35:15.140 She could have been a man. 0.89

04:35:16.540 I mean, Tim Waltz is almost her in male form, you know, like he can't put a coherent sentence

04:35:22.440 together.

04:35:23.320 He's got issues with stories that he's telling.

04:35:26.140 Yeah.

04:35:26.420 And they, they hid him towards the end of this campaign, the way they were hiding her

04:35:31.880 at the beginning of her campaign.

04:35:33.480 That's right.

04:35:34.560 Um, anyone, oh, you look at this.

04:35:37.380 MSNBC just called Georgia for Trump.

04:35:39.220 Wow.

04:35:39.980 So there we go.

04:35:41.220 Wow.

04:35:41.540 Now, was that this election on 2016?

04:35:45.720 This too, speaking of house races via the New York Post, GOP representative Nick Lollota

04:35:52.600 defeats Democrat John Avalon.

04:35:55.340 Wow.

04:35:55.740 Speaking of CNN, uh, in battle for New York, one Long Island house seat.

04:36:01.240 So that's one Trump did go.

04:36:03.440 He went out there.

04:36:04.880 That's a wealthy area too.

04:36:06.480 Trump went out to Long Island.

04:36:08.160 He went to California and people were saying, what the hell?

04:36:10.660 I was one of them.

04:36:11.280 Like, what's he doing there?

04:36:11.920 And then it dawned on me, this is about the house seats.

04:36:13.460 Yeah.

04:36:14.020 He's trying to get himself.

04:36:15.440 Yeah.

04:36:15.820 You know, unified government.

04:36:16.920 Yeah.

04:36:17.000 A lot of them are New York and California.

04:36:18.860 So the swing congressional districts aren't necessarily in swing states, but if it's close in the house,

04:36:23.620 we're going to be waiting forever for California.

04:36:25.480 I mean, it's just, it's, Pennsylvania is bad because they don't process the early vote, uh,

04:36:30.680 immediately the way they should and wake Florida and others do.

04:36:33.400 It's, it's only government can you have people do something well in advance and have it delay the process the way it does in some of these states.

04:36:39.920 But California, you know, someone could drop a ballot in a puddle.

04:36:43.300 Someone finds it a week later and shows it to the registrar.

04:36:46.500 And then they'll spend a couple of weeks trying to track down who, who voted this.

04:36:49.960 And can we see any marks on it?

04:36:51.560 And it's just, it takes forever.

04:36:52.940 It's a disgrace.

04:36:54.540 We should know results reliably and quickly.

04:36:57.680 Yeah.

04:36:57.940 We're, we're like a third world country.

04:36:59.420 This is, by the way, one of many reasons I'm very strongly in favor of the electoral college.

04:37:03.980 Could you imagine?

04:37:04.860 I mean, it looks like the popular vote is going to be really close, right?

04:37:08.220 So we would be waiting for California for what?

04:37:11.080 Three weeks, a month, two months before we would know who the president was.

04:37:14.900 That would be a disaster.

04:37:15.900 It's really, so we have a bunch of boys here tonight from my son's school.

04:37:20.400 And when my eldest was, uh, in eighth grade last year, he's in ninth grade now,

04:37:25.320 they had him debate, should we keep the electoral college?

04:37:28.460 And, uh, I think I told you guys this, and, uh, he took the position.

04:37:31.840 Did you guys have to do that?

04:37:33.080 Yeah.

04:37:33.420 They had to do it too.

04:37:34.580 Were you, which side were you on?

04:37:36.000 Electoral college.

04:37:36.780 Keep it.

04:37:37.540 Yeah.

04:37:38.420 They're on the side of keeping it.

04:37:40.160 Um, so was, so was my son Yates was on the side of keeping it.

04:37:43.960 And, you know, they talked all about how absurd we would have no minority rights in the country.

04:37:49.120 Right.

04:37:49.400 They want to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate. 0.81

04:37:50.960 So we have no minority rights in the Senate.

04:37:52.520 They want to get rid of the electoral college.

04:37:54.360 So we have no minority rights in the, in the country.

04:37:56.600 We, I mean, hopefully Trump will win.

04:37:59.640 If he wins this race, he'll also win the popular vote.

04:38:02.080 So we don't have to get into that absolutely inane discussion again about whether we should

04:38:07.320 keep the electoral college.

04:38:08.220 The whole foundation of the compact between the states when, when the founders were kicking

04:38:12.220 this around, the smaller states, the states that were more rural, they're bigger in territory,

04:38:16.720 but not as great in, uh, populations.

04:38:19.180 They were like, what, why do we need to join up with you?

04:38:21.780 Why, what's in it for us?

04:38:23.460 Well, we're going to have a unified government.

04:38:24.880 Well, then the, you big states with all the people are just going to come and take our

04:38:27.880 land and take our things and tax us to the eyeballs. 0.99

04:38:30.540 I'm not sure why.

04:38:31.680 And they had to be guaranteed that they would have a real seat at the table and that they

04:38:35.760 could stop certain things from happening.

04:38:37.560 Anyway, it's just never going to happen.

04:38:40.120 Did I, did I?

04:38:41.240 Yeah.

04:38:41.520 What do you think, guys?

04:38:42.500 Did I get it okay?

04:38:43.900 Yeah.

04:38:44.300 Yeah.

04:38:44.560 It's like we have a live studio audience now.

04:38:46.380 Yeah.

04:38:48.020 It's an inherent part of the federal structure and people, um, try, other countries try to

04:38:53.880 shame us for this, but other advanced countries don't have direct, uh, democratic elections

04:38:59.060 for, for president or prime minister either.

04:39:01.540 Yeah.

04:39:01.780 I mean, so Canada, the last two elections Canada has held, uh, the conservative party there has

04:39:07.820 won, uh, popular vote twice and they've lost both elections.

04:39:12.300 No one ever says that in England and the labor party won, but the labor party, the last election

04:39:17.060 won 33% of the vote and they won 400 seats in parliament out of 650.

04:39:24.660 They have an untrammeled power.

04:39:27.080 That's fine.

04:39:27.560 By the way, that's the system.

04:39:28.540 I'm not objecting to it.

04:39:29.540 You, you live with the system that you have, but there's this bizarre idea that this is

04:39:33.360 unique to America.

04:39:34.200 It's not unique to America.

04:39:34.960 So when they realize that they can't raise the electoral college, if Trump wins the popular

04:39:38.820 vote, they will try to find, I don't, I don't agree with my legal panel that like Dave Ehrenberg

04:39:43.040 that they're just going to accept it.

04:39:45.700 That doesn't sound like them.

04:39:47.340 No, no.

04:39:48.100 I mean, I don't think that all the Hitler messaging was fake.

04:39:53.120 I mean, it wasn't true, but I think it was sincere on their part for a lot of these Democrats

04:39:58.060 that they genuinely believe Trump is this existential threat that he must be stopped.

04:40:02.140 I just don't, I don't know what they're going to do.

04:40:04.400 And I also worry because a lot of, I did a lot of podcasts in preparation for, you know,

04:40:09.120 before we got in the air and they were asking me, do you think that, um, that they'll see

04:40:14.780 this is a chance.

04:40:15.820 Like Elon Musk wants to work for us for free.

04:40:18.180 You know, we could have Bobby Kennedy looking at some things that he actually should be looking

04:40:22.920 at.

04:40:23.140 Not, not all the things, but like, there are some, there's some real value he could bring.

04:40:26.900 Um, why wouldn't we say yes to that?

04:40:29.780 Why wouldn't be excited about that?

04:40:31.360 Why wouldn't the left say, I'm not going to interfere this time with endless impeachments?

04:40:35.780 You're shaking your head.

04:40:36.440 No, of course, of course not.

04:40:37.780 I mean, they, they sincerely believe he's a fascist.

04:40:40.120 And as we're saying, though, though, this is a condemnation of the country.

04:40:42.920 It's not, it's not a seal of approval for Trump, right?

04:40:45.540 It's a sign that, that the country is fundamentally corrupt, racist and sexist and all the rest of

04:40:50.100 the, and there'll be some objections in the house to certifying the electors, assuming

04:40:53.640 he wins because he is, uh, supposedly an insurrectionist.

04:40:57.400 And, and they, they will think, you know, not with totally without reason that their methods

04:41:02.020 the first time around worked, right?

04:41:03.820 The, the way they'll square the circle if he wins and is inaugurated is because you can't

04:41:10.000 for too long, say the public is awful because you lose.

04:41:14.220 And they will say the public was tricked and we will get the biggest push on misinformation

04:41:20.140 that you've ever seen.

04:41:21.860 If you think last time was bad, it's going, this is going to be the drive now, right?

04:41:26.260 So the first amendment is going to be right in the crosshairs.

04:41:28.660 They're going to try and draw a distinction between acceptable speech, legitimate speech

04:41:33.300 and misinformation.

04:41:34.060 And they're going to say the public is virtuous and good, but it was tricked by Trump and Elon

04:41:38.500 Musk and billionaires and whatever.

04:41:40.080 That that's my prediction.

04:41:41.380 That's actually a really good point.

04:41:42.460 And they'll, they'll come after people in our lane.

04:41:45.300 Yes.

04:41:45.700 I mean, you heard, are you going to get it right in the neck?

04:41:47.840 I'm definitely going to get it.

04:41:50.500 We have a plan.

04:41:51.980 Um, but yeah, we heard Jen Psaki on MSNBC last night. 1.00

04:41:54.620 Do you guys, do we have that soundbite saying we're going to have to do something about these

04:41:58.520 annoying digital, uh, and internet purveyors of misinformation?

04:42:03.220 Let's listen.

04:42:07.980 They're searching.

04:42:12.460 And finally, let me just end with this.

04:42:14.920 Our democracy is strong and the American people are fierce.

04:42:19.440 But even if Trump is defeated tomorrow, he has exposed during his time out there some serious

04:42:25.280 limitations within our system.

04:42:27.460 And it may be time to ask ourselves things like whether social media platforms should

04:42:31.600 have the freedom to operate at a lower level of accountability than local television networks

04:42:35.740 in terms of the lives they can spread or whether the electoral college alone is the right way

04:42:40.920 to determine who should lead this country or whether just putting out there, a convicted

04:42:46.440 felon should be eligible to run for the highest office in the land.

04:42:49.920 Those are some really important questions at some point we will need to consider, but there's

04:42:54.200 plenty of time for that.

04:42:55.500 Those questions are not for tomorrow.

04:42:57.340 Tomorrow is about answers.

04:42:58.960 It's about finally learning how much protecting our democracy matters, whether morality and

04:43:04.240 character matter, whether our rights to make choices about our own bodies matter enough

04:43:08.540 to enough of the American people.

04:43:11.100 Tomorrow we will start to learn a whole lot more.

04:43:13.820 So she would love nothing more than to have some sort of language police come into the

04:43:21.900 digital lane to make sure NRO and the Megyn Kelly show have to run our content through

04:43:29.680 some sort of screening panel controlled by the Jen Psaki's of the world.

04:43:33.900 Jen Psaki, who, by the way, is such an honest journalist that she didn't even ask Doug Emhoff about

04:43:38.940 the allegations against him when she had him sitting across from her.

04:43:41.980 Jen Psaki, I liked you better when you were in the following very famous cartoon.

04:43:49.420 To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our

04:43:57.540 kitty tails.

04:43:58.560 Here we got the mermaid freak. 0.99

04:44:00.880 Yay! 0.99

04:44:02.560 It's her.

04:44:03.760 That's the way she speaks.

04:44:05.940 So true.

04:44:06.760 It's exact.

04:44:07.380 So true.

04:44:07.840 I'm sorry, but, you know, she's that sweet in the way she speaks, and she says very pernicious 0.84

04:44:11.840 things.

04:44:12.920 Standby.

04:44:13.540 Speaking of pernicious, Michael Knowles is here.

04:44:15.780 He's host to the Michael Knowles show for the Daily Wire.

04:44:19.740 I don't know, Michael Knowles.

04:44:21.000 I know it's annoying that they're not calling everything, but I am starting to have this

04:44:24.840 feeling like we are vindicated in, like, literally everything that we believe.

04:44:30.420 Are you having this feeling?

04:44:31.300 It would be difficult at this point in the night.

04:44:35.060 I know that the New York Times needle became infamous in 2016, but at this point in the

04:44:39.840 night, you know, the numbers have all just been moving in Trump's direction.

04:44:43.200 Last I checked, he had something like a 91% likelihood of winning.

04:44:47.700 So it would be rather odd if the graph went in the other direction.

04:44:51.820 But I think the point you all were just making is so right.

04:44:55.880 The left has seen this coming.

04:44:57.420 Financial markets have been pricing in a Trump win for some days now.

04:45:00.020 So the Washington Post and especially the New York Times, I think, got in front of this

04:45:05.560 story, and they decided who they were going to blame.

04:45:08.120 They were going to blame all of us.

04:45:10.360 We saw a story in the Washington Post about how podcasters and new media companies are the

04:45:14.680 cause of Trump's rise.

04:45:17.100 And then the New York Times really hit us, and it hit me personally.

04:45:21.220 I only saw this because it popped up in my Google alerts, and I clicked the link to

04:45:25.160 the Times story.

04:45:26.440 In the podcast election, disinformation flies on YouTube with no consequence, and my face

04:45:33.280 was the middle of the banner.

04:45:34.860 And I said, oh my goodness, what did I say?

04:45:37.280 I thought I've been pretty precise in my language.

04:45:40.020 What did they get me on?

04:45:41.280 And then I kid you not, I searched in the article.

04:45:45.080 My name did not appear once.

04:45:47.160 They didn't cite a single thing I said.

04:45:49.160 They didn't mention me.

04:45:50.440 My face was the center of it.

04:45:52.140 Just the face of misinformation.

04:45:54.800 You're adorable.

04:45:58.460 Maybe it was just clickbait.

04:46:01.060 They wanted to sell more.

04:46:01.940 That's right.

04:46:03.680 He was a very successful young person's actor.

04:46:07.240 I mean, I think that they remember.

04:46:08.480 They were like, get the famous one.

04:46:09.740 Yeah, that one.

04:46:11.060 That's ridiculous.

04:46:11.800 You know, compare it.

04:46:13.580 Megan, compare that to the op-ed we saw.

04:46:16.080 You know, before the Washington Post tried to hit podcasters, Jeff Bezos said, we in

04:46:21.200 the old establishment media are competing with podcasters and streaming, and we have

04:46:24.920 to win.

04:46:25.740 So I think, you know, if Trump wins, if it looks like the Republicans have the Senate, I'm

04:46:31.660 hopeful that we're going to hold the House, so maybe they'll be stymied in this for a

04:46:35.560 little while.

04:46:36.600 But they are coming after us.

04:46:38.020 I think that the new media conservatives who broke the establishment media, we very well

04:46:43.840 could be public enemy number one for the liberal establishment.

04:46:47.060 Well, that, if they take control of the House, it could be a real problem.

04:46:51.420 If they're not in power in the House or the Senate or the White House, it's less of a

04:46:54.920 problem.

04:46:55.880 Though they have these outside agitator groups that could be difficult.

04:47:00.320 I just want to bring this to you.

04:47:01.960 Just breaking here, New York Times.

04:47:03.600 In every state where voters, sorry, in every state where votes are nearly complete, according

04:47:08.920 to our estimates, Trump has improved his margin compared with 2020.

04:47:13.680 In every state where votes are nearly complete, he's improved his margin compared with 2020.

04:47:19.460 Even reliably blue states like Delaware, Rhode Island and Vermont have seen a Republican

04:47:25.160 shift.

04:47:25.940 If our election model's current estimates hold, the presidential margins in New York

04:47:31.040 and New Jersey will also shift nine or 10 points more Republican.

04:47:37.800 Wow.

04:47:38.720 Holy moly.

04:47:41.580 Nine or 10 points.

04:47:42.480 I mean, that ought to help on keeping the House in Republican.

04:47:44.980 This is like, if this is all true, this is a wholesale rejection of the nonsense that we

04:47:53.040 have had shoved down our throats for four years.

04:47:56.720 Michael Knowles talking about, listen, we launched this show four years ago.

04:48:02.020 We launched this show right in the middle of the race essentialism, George Floyd mania,

04:48:06.840 the nonsense around cops and BLM and the trans stuff was exploding. 0.88

04:48:11.240 Everything, all of which is on them, all of which, everything we've been doing to the

04:48:16.460 young children, that's on them, dividing them by race.

04:48:19.780 There's a school that was in the news this past week for saying, depending on who wins

04:48:23.780 the election, hint, hint, Trump, you can have the next day off.

04:48:27.480 Fieldston ethical culture, I'm talking to you.

04:48:30.280 And that school divided kids by race in an exercise reported by parents and had them yell

04:48:37.920 at each other or do some sort of nasty exercise.

04:48:40.280 That's what's happening.

04:48:41.640 Thanks to these guys.

04:48:43.560 And that's why a state like New York would turn on them 10 points.

04:48:50.140 That's all part of it.

04:48:51.220 The economic policies, Michael, the immigration, the busing of the immigrants up to places like 0.99

04:48:57.300 New York.

04:48:57.800 We've seen New York City overrun social services no longer available.

04:49:01.920 People, this is how you get deep blue states to say 10 points in the favor of the orange

04:49:09.240 Hitler. 0.57

04:49:10.980 Right.

04:49:11.700 I never thought that Trump was going to win New York.

04:49:14.660 However, I was at MSG whenever it was a week or so ago, and there were about a zillion

04:49:20.260 people there.

04:49:21.000 I mean, there were 20,000 people fit inside MSG.

04:49:23.320 There were probably another 80,000 or more just outside.

04:49:26.840 They were broadcasting it on the side of Madison Square Garden.

04:49:29.400 I counted something like a dozen protesters.

04:49:32.880 The feeling, even in New York, I said, I don't think we're going to win the state, but it

04:49:36.780 might help some of those tight congressional races. 0.99

04:49:39.180 And it might give you this bizarre situation we have tonight where the margin in New York

04:49:44.480 is slimmer than in Florida.

04:49:48.040 Kamala's margin of victory in New York is slimmer than Trump's margin in Florida.

04:49:51.360 That's a pretty amazing statement.

04:49:53.180 And so, to your point, Megan, you say this is a wholesale rejection of Kamala and what

04:49:58.740 she represents.

04:49:59.740 That's true.

04:50:00.960 However, I wonder, once the fog clears, assuming the election does end up going Trump's way,

04:50:06.460 we might look back and say, you know, this election was a vindication of common sense.

04:50:12.500 Yeah, it turns out that when inflation jumps 23% in three years, voters don't like that.

04:50:19.180 Turns out when you allow an invasion of your country, voters don't like that.

04:50:23.000 Turns out that when you kick out the duly elected nominee of your party and replace him

04:50:28.300 with a woman who is one of the least popular politicians in the country, never won a single 1.00

04:50:32.780 primary vote while running for president, turns out voters don't like that.

04:50:36.220 You know, we've been so in the weeds on all of this.

04:50:39.700 Some of us even fell for the Iowa poll, the outlier that came out a couple days ago, said

04:50:44.180 that Kamala was going to win Iowa. 1.00

04:50:46.420 But really, you know, once the fog clears and you look back on it, you might just say,

04:50:51.160 oh yeah, that was pretty commonsensical all along.

04:50:54.280 Kind of like the common sense that you shouldn't dress a little boy up like a little girl.

04:50:57.920 You know, maybe actually reality is reasserting itself at long last.

04:51:02.760 Hmm. I mean, one can only dream.

04:51:07.040 I want to tell you that moments ago, there was a Kamala Harris campaign spokesman who came

04:51:12.300 out at her watch party at Howard University in Washington, D.C. and said she will not be

04:51:18.940 speaking. The headline on NBC live feed just now, Harris campaign vibe check, colon, not

04:51:25.680 good. Stephen L. Miller, Red Steez, he goes by on X. Very funny.

04:51:30.620 He's been on the show recently and he observes the following.

04:51:34.260 The entire girl boss, I'm speaking campaign sends a man out to speak for her on election 1.00

04:51:41.100 night. Pretty good, right?

04:51:43.720 Where is she now? 0.93

04:51:44.360 Well, I'm getting such throwbacks, Megan.

04:51:46.220 I'm having such throwbacks to 2016 when everyone was waiting at the Javits Center in New York

04:51:52.500 for the big Hillary party. And she sends out poor Mr. Podesta. And he walks on that stage

04:51:59.500 and he says, you know, I remember the words almost verbatim. Thank you so much for showing

04:52:03.960 up for Hillary. Hillary has always shown up for you. And you're waiting. There's the ellipsis

04:52:09.960 except for right now when it matters most. You're getting the same, same feeling from

04:52:15.920 Kamala.

04:52:16.740 You really are. Just taking a look here. Let's see. Vivek Ramaswamy, exit polls show that

04:52:23.580 threats to democracy was a top issue. MSM thought that meant votes for Kamala, but turns out it 0.51

04:52:31.000 was exactly the opposite. Voters are rejecting censorship, lawfare and dishonesty. I mean, that

04:52:37.020 is a question. What, you know, what is in threats to democracy? They're the ones who try to get

04:52:41.960 Trump thrown off the ballot. They're the ones who use lawfare to try to stop him from being

04:52:46.680 able to run it all. I wonder, I'd love to dig deeper in that poll. I have a feeling that the

04:52:51.440 exit polls probably didn't ask exactly who the threats would be against.

04:53:01.540 You there, Michael? Can you hear me?

04:53:03.920 There we are. I have you. I have you, Megan.

04:53:05.800 You know, I wonder also just what we're going to get from the pollsters afterward because they

04:53:15.740 played this so safe. And some of these margins were not all that tight. So, you know, to your

04:53:21.980 point, you know, we try not to read the tea leaves of the exit polls too early in the night. I think

04:53:26.380 now it's a little safer territory to do it. But also, you know, this was a tough election to map out

04:53:34.960 because the rules changed. Democrats changed a lot of the rules in 2020. They used COVID as the

04:53:40.740 excuse to do it. So you saw greater use of mail-in ballots. You saw a great expansion of early

04:53:45.900 voting and ballot drop boxes. And so if you don't have precedent, it's very difficult to model in for

04:53:51.400 the future. And so a lot of people are going to end up with egg on their face. Though I'm happy, at least at this

04:53:57.860 moment, that right now it seems that you're seeing good news for the Republicans and proof that there

04:54:05.080 is a real political realignment taking place. If Trump is really pulling upwards of 20% of black male

04:54:12.080 voters, that is an absolutely shocking number. If Trump is pulling 44, 45% of Hispanic voters in certain

04:54:19.360 states, that is an absolutely shocking number that we haven't seen in 20 years. There's always this talk

04:54:25.740 about the realignment. And the party that has lost recently always touts the supposed realignment

04:54:32.300 that's taking place. But it was hard to deny this time. The Teamsters don't endorse Kamala.

04:54:37.960 The LA Times doesn't endorse it. The Washington Post doesn't endorse Kamala. You've got, I don't know,

04:54:43.380 just major institutional shifts. Elon Musk is a liberal. He endorses Trump. Joe Rogan is a liberal.

04:54:51.340 He still is. Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy. You know, I think they can truly say in a way that isn't

04:54:58.400 cynical or pandering and that is totally sincere, they did not leave their party. Their party left

04:55:03.920 them. And there are a lot of people. There is a reason that Joe Rogan is the biggest podcaster

04:55:07.620 in the world. He is speaking to your average American voter. And so the Democrats, if they're

04:55:13.640 capable of it, will have to engage in a lot of introspection, a lot of soul searching after this.

04:55:18.320 I'm not sure the state of their souls. In fact, you know, that might be part of the introspection

04:55:23.220 too. But if they can bring themselves to do it, it would really help them. Because Joy Reid's

04:55:29.220 screaming about fascists in Florida and how the white women failed black voters again. I don't

04:55:36.800 think that that is going to help them in 2028. I hope somebody, maybe it'll be me, does a video

04:55:42.520 about how, we don't want to see your black woman tears, like she did about white women crying. 1.00

04:55:46.900 I know, they're white women tears. I laugh at them. She's such a nice person. Michael, 0.99

04:55:51.980 a pleasure. Great to see you.

04:55:54.600 A pleasure as always to be with you all. I hope that we're popping champagne in an hour

04:55:58.680 or two.

04:55:59.420 I know. I hope so too. I don't want to get too cocky, but yeah, it's looking good right

04:56:04.160 now. Guys, one of the things that's interesting about the exit polls is Fox News exit polling

04:56:10.320 showing Trump increased his support among white Catholics in Michigan to plus 24. All

04:56:17.760 I can think of is the Al Smith dinner. I mean, I don't know, but...

04:56:22.100 And also she was asked about abortion and she said that there will be no exceptions

04:56:27.440 whatsoever, which in practical speak means that her administration would have used executive 0.90

04:56:33.080 power to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions.

04:56:36.120 Yeah. And I just, I know personally as someone who's married to a Catholic, that that is just

04:56:41.420 the worst thing you could possibly say.

04:56:43.620 It's a hard no.

04:56:44.180 You're going to win them over.

04:56:44.640 You're telling a doctor who's Catholic, he actually has to take the life of an unborn 1.00

04:56:48.300 child.

04:56:48.860 And that was the Holly Jackson interview, another kind of sympathetic, friendly interview

04:56:52.140 where she was trying to just elicit, well, can we have a little compromise on this?

04:56:55.680 And she's, and Harris says, no, we can't. And just if Trump pulls this out, it'll

04:57:02.400 be the, an enormous personal vindication. Cause no matter what he said about 2020, I think

04:57:08.460 deep down, he realized he lost. He felt as a deep personal humiliation and to come back

04:57:13.520 and win again. He was a legend before this for a lot of people in MAGA and the Republican

04:57:18.780 party when he just won one out of two. But after this, I mean, his personal hold on the

04:57:23.700 Republican party, at least for the next year or two after this will be extraordinarily strong.

04:57:27.520 I think it'd be longer than that. I think this it's the party is MAGA if they've become

04:57:32.140 one in the same and everyone else is going to have to fold in, in some way, shape or

04:57:35.940 form. It also, if this is the victory that we think it is, sets JD Vance up to be the

04:57:40.840 next leader of the party. I mean, this, like for me, it's unbelievable. I interviewed that

04:57:46.000 guy a few years ago, you guys, and he was a little, forgive me, JD pudgy. Um, he was

04:57:54.660 so young. I mean, he honestly looked like he wasn't even shaving. He was also harsher

04:57:58.840 about Trump than Charlie or, or he was, he was way more never Trumper than you. Yeah.

04:58:05.040 Yeah. And by the way, I would, I don't know how statisticians could even conceivably do

04:58:11.020 this, but I would love to see the number of voters who formerly identified as never Trumpers

04:58:17.040 who pulled the lever for Trump. Yeah. Because I think there is a substantial number of them.

04:58:21.420 And when you saw that rally at Madison square garden, knowing that New York city is never

04:58:26.180 going red, but that turnout, that wasn't just bridge and tunnelers, the long Islanders,

04:58:31.480 the New Jerseyans, but Manhattanites from the upper East side and, and a mixed crowd that

04:58:38.060 just said so much about where the country is going. And like you guys just said, this wholesale

04:58:43.840 rejection of this leftist orthodoxy, that's been shoved down our throats for the better part

04:58:49.640 of four years. And the rest of us being told that we're amoral Sybarites if we don't get

04:58:55.060 it. Yeah. Also, I think Buck Sexton was making this point. I don't think we can underestimate

04:58:59.500 the effect of the first assassination attempt. His favorable rating took a, a, a jump up after

04:59:05.080 that and never came down. Now he's still, he still hasn't been popular. His favorability

04:59:08.920 is a little bit under his favorability, but he was as popular as he ever had been after that.

04:59:14.200 And he, he, uh, and that, that effect endured. You know what else too, Rich? I mean, I, I gently

04:59:21.140 chastised Tucker for this at one point, but he got up there at the RNC convention, Tucker

04:59:26.400 did and said, Trump's changed after, you know, the RNC convention happened days after the

04:59:31.360 assassination. And he said, I'm telling you, he's changed. And I laughed at the time and

04:59:35.140 I gave him jazz saying, well, sure, you know, Trump hasn't changed. He's not going to change.

04:59:39.120 And then Trump went right back to using his usual insults and so on. And I, and I, I was like, see,

04:59:44.660 but the truth is, if you think about Trump pre-assassination attempt post, cause we've

04:59:48.500 had a longer time now, I actually think Trump did change a bit. Um, it's not that he didn't,

04:59:53.560 he stopped insulting people, but I do think he got, I don't know, like, this is a weird word to

04:59:58.920 use for Trump, but maybe like in his own way, a little sweeter, like his bit at his rally. And I

05:00:05.940 watched it last night, but I've been watching a lot of it because we've been getting closer to the

05:00:08.920 end here. He's trying harder to make people like him, you know, he's like being more generous

05:00:15.540 with his supporters and with himself and being more self-deprecating. And we haven't even spent

05:00:21.840 a minute on McDonald's and the garbage vest, the garbage, like deprecating. That's like a guy who

05:00:29.280 is saying like me, you know, please like me. I'm willing to do these fun, humiliating things to

05:00:37.080 myself. And, um, I actually think there's that, that that's paying some dividends on the guy.

05:00:42.460 I think he, I actually have hope, maybe I'm nuts that a second Trump term could be a bit kinder and

05:00:49.900 gentler and less chaotic than the first one. If only they will let it. And I don't know that they

05:00:57.200 will let it. Thoughts on that? Yeah. I don't know. You know, we'll see, we'll see if he wins

05:01:03.820 the administration. I mean, it's just, it's sort of the way he operates. Um, he, he, he's, he's the

05:01:09.220 one that is in charge. He's not told by anyone what to do. Some, someone who worked for him the

05:01:14.280 first time around said he realized that one word you can never use with Trump is should, if you want

05:01:19.960 him to do something, you can't say, sir, you should do this because they're inherently going to reject it.

05:01:23.840 And they can give him the two options and betray one as, as being the better and the other, the

05:01:28.540 worst and hope he'll go with the, the better. But I think that this, the chaos of the first

05:01:33.180 administration had a lot to do with just his natural temperament and character. And I don't

05:01:37.920 think that's changing. Well, but they were trying to impeach him. They were accusing him of being a

05:01:41.700 Russian agent. They're going to do it all again. Are they? Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, you both are, you have no

05:01:45.920 doubt. No doubt. Why? Uh, well, because even now when they don't know that he's one, they're starting.

05:01:53.920 What do you mean? Well, I mean, if you just look at not what was being said on TV already, what

05:01:59.880 John King, not John King is saying, but for, I mean, Joy Reid immediately said that Florida came

05:02:08.220 out as it did because it's full of, it's, you know, full of white supremacist fascists. Um,

05:02:14.000 actually, you know, it's, it's full of Hispanics who seem to have moved heavily to the right,

05:02:17.940 but it's going to be tough to sell that, but she tried. And I have no doubt that I don't think

05:02:22.520 they'll impeach him within 10 minutes. If they win the house, the Democrats will impeach him for

05:02:27.340 winning the election. They're going to try and not seat him. See that exactly right. So, so can you

05:02:31.100 speak about that? Cause I don't agree with Dave Ehrenberg was like, no, they're going to accept

05:02:34.100 it. That's Democrats. Absolutely not. I think they're going to try to get him to stop that.

05:02:37.400 Maybe they'll use convicted felon. Maybe they'll use insurrectionists. Maybe they'll say he cheated

05:02:42.000 somehow, but there is no way they are just going to let him take office. Yeah. I mean, he, if he's one,

05:02:47.420 he will take office, but they're going to try and stop it. And if they've won the house,

05:02:50.680 they're going to find a reason to impeach him quite quickly. Yeah. There'll be a third impeachment.

05:02:56.720 Definitely. Well, I guess as soon as he takes office, exactly. They'll find something. And

05:02:59.780 Trump is so non-traditional that there'll be something that he does right. To give them

05:03:05.400 some grounds for alleged impeachment or what have you. It's going to be chaotic.

05:03:09.500 I will say they, they, they did learn some lessons from the first time around. I think the, the,

05:03:15.360 the whole personnel thing, the balls gotten rolling on that faster than it did the first time around.

05:03:20.320 They've never really got on the right side of that. The whole administration, there are a lot

05:03:23.720 of positions they never filled. So I think they'll do better on that, that score, but the environment's

05:03:28.580 going to be extremely hostile. And he's someone who likes doing things on the fly.

05:03:33.220 I am worried. I have to be honest that they're going to try to kill him again.

05:03:40.260 My worry, and I almost hate to say it is that it's, he'll be very well protected. Right.

05:03:46.540 Really? Well, yeah. But what about the people working for him and how far down can that protection

05:03:52.100 go? Oh God. So yeah. If you're the deputy secretary of something, are you in more threat than you've

05:03:58.720 ever, than such person's ever been before? That's dark. I hadn't considered that. I mean,

05:04:04.300 it's dark enough to think about it happening to Trump, but I just don't, I mean, these nutcases

05:04:08.940 out there that tried to stop him even from getting to tonight. Right. I, I don't like, I don't have,

05:04:15.480 I gotta be honest with all due respect. I don't have faith in the secret service to keep him safe.

05:04:20.000 Really? I mean, why, why would I? It's a fair point. It's a fair point. There's something about

05:04:25.880 this campaign though, that has struck me. And I wonder if it will carry over into his

05:04:32.220 administration, which was when Kamala secured the nomination without getting a vote and it was all

05:04:40.480 joy, joy, joy. And the Democrats were so happy because they had been freed of the burden of Joe

05:04:46.460 Biden. Her campaign in recent weeks has slid into something that feels very grim and desperate.

05:04:53.440 Whereas Trump's flipped over into a campaign that felt joyous, optimistic, to your point, funny,

05:05:02.260 self-deprecating. And I think that that is the voters who went his way are choosing optimism.

05:05:11.080 Her joy was a facade. His, I don't think was. And I don't know how much the assassination attempts

05:05:17.560 factored into that. But if they did, that's pretty remarkable way to pivot yourself instead of

05:05:23.960 stewing. Right. Did you see that, that tape this week, Maureen, where Elon was at one of the events

05:05:30.640 with Trump and he's got the arms up in the air and he's like, it's going to be fun. His midriff is

05:05:35.660 exposed. It's like, it's going to be so fun. He convinced me. I'm like, you know, it actually could

05:05:41.740 be fun. I can't wait to see what Elon Musk is going to do. I was with him at the all in summit

05:05:46.480 out in LA or wherever we were. Yeah. LA. And he was saying like, they're going to this department

05:05:52.560 of government efficiency, the doge thing or whatever he's calling it. Um, they are going

05:05:57.520 to cut. It's going to be a little Javier Millet esque with the chainsaw, you know, the Argentinian 0.99

05:06:03.400 leader. I'll believe that. Yeah. But he owns Twitter. I'll believe that when I see it,

05:06:08.180 I think he, because I think he will go in there, identify all sorts of things that can be cut.

05:06:12.840 And I've seen nothing ever in Donald Trump that suggests that he's fiscally conservative. But he

05:06:17.380 loves to fire people. Maybe, but you need to do a lot more than fire people to actually save money.

05:06:23.320 You have to get rid of departments. You have to ask Congress to cut funding. You have to make

05:06:29.200 people's lives difficult. I mean, otherwise it's just symbolic, right? I think he's going to do it.

05:06:33.140 I disagree with you. I hope you're right. Yeah. I hope you're right. I think it's one of his main

05:06:37.060 platforms. And it's actually, remember when I was getting ready for that, uh, debate in December of

05:06:41.840 last year with Vivek and the others, Vivek was running on a promise to fire every civil service

05:06:49.000 worker whose social security number ended in odd. That's halfway there. And it was funny because

05:06:57.680 everybody, you know, around the debate table, I'm like, you know, should I, should I press him on it?

05:07:02.900 We don't have that much time. And half the room was like, yes, definitely. I'm like,

05:07:07.580 you're not evens, are you? Your odds. Anyway, the point is those two are like-minded on

05:07:13.380 cutting the size of government, finding efficiencies in government. And I mean, I think that could be

05:07:17.980 miraculous. All I can think about, I played this scene for the audience a couple of weeks ago or

05:07:21.580 months ago when Charles Grodin comes to the white house in the movie, Dave, remember? Yes. He's the

05:07:27.160 accountant friend and, uh, Dave played by Kevin Kline, just six, his buddy over like a couple of

05:07:32.380 Reuben sandwiches on the books. I know, but that's, that's why I'm skeptical, right? Cause

05:07:36.920 that's not actually how you cut government. You don't, it's not like you go through your budget

05:07:40.640 and say, Oh, I have, I'm the opposite of a wet blanket. What do you mean? Well, the wet blanket

05:07:46.760 would say, Oh great. He'll do it. I'm, I'm being a bastard. I'm saying, I don't think he will do it

05:07:51.420 because Charles Grodin's looking through the books. Like it's like, Oh, as if he's going to say, Oh,

05:07:55.680 we've got two Netflix accounts. We've got to get one, get rid of one of them, but that's not

05:07:59.900 where all the spending is. I'll be a little more optimistic here. He's not going to reduce the

05:08:03.040 size of government. He's not. But one of the, there are several successes in the Trump administration.

05:08:07.860 They're just Trump started saying, go figure it out. The border remain in Mexico and all that,

05:08:12.620 that does this clever people thinking about what legal authority we have and how we can use it.

05:08:17.060 No one wants to talk about it, but operation warp speed was Trump just saying, we're going to do this.

05:08:21.280 We're going to do it faster than anyone ever has before. And everyone's like, no, no,

05:08:23.960 you can't do that. And, and they did because he insisted on it. The Abraham Accords is another 0.99

05:08:28.020 example. So if he gets Elon in there, I think they'll come up with some clever ideas. I don't,

05:08:32.460 I don't think, you know, size of government is being reduced or, you know, they're going to cut

05:08:36.480 the department of education. They'd need Congress, right? So they may control Congress. They might. 0.99

05:08:41.740 Yeah. Still, that's, that's a heavy lift. I'd love it if they could do it, but there will be some

05:08:45.380 clever, clever and important things that I think will come out.

05:08:47.900 I have to use political capital for that. So I hope he does.

05:08:50.740 Well, that's the other thing. If it looks like, and I mean, I, I mean, it's right now it's done

05:08:55.160 unless something drastic happens in the other States that, that they control the Senate,

05:08:59.300 that he's going to get all of his cabinet secretaries.

05:09:02.520 Yeah. They get 55 Senate seats, right?

05:09:04.640 That's great.

05:09:05.240 Is that an attorney general, which he really wants and needs?

05:09:07.560 Yeah. I mean, that's amazing. They keep this rolling. They could be in a filibuster proof

05:09:12.860 majority. No one said the word 60. Nobody said 60.

05:09:15.900 I guess that's Nevada, right?

05:09:18.400 Well, how about this? How about this, Rich? How about they turn around and do to the Democrats

05:09:24.200 what they've just been threatening to do and they eliminate the filibuster for minority rights?

05:09:30.500 They shouldn't do that.

05:09:31.840 No, they absolutely should not do that.

05:09:34.060 You know what would be funny, and I'm not advocating this because I oppose this,

05:09:36.980 but what would be really funny is on day one, you pick up the Kamala Harris court packing bill,

05:09:42.560 the 18 years, right? And you say, fine. Anyone who's been there for 18 years or more is out.

05:09:50.100 So the three Republicans go, they replace the three Republicans, and then they just wait a

05:09:54.960 couple of years and get rid of Kagan and Sotomayor and replace them too.

05:09:58.100 Oh my gosh.

05:09:58.760 And they say, well, I thought you wanted that.

05:10:00.220 It was a brilliant idea.

05:10:01.360 Yeah. We love that idea.

05:10:02.860 In retrospect.

05:10:03.320 And the court's now nine to nothing, but that's what you said you wanted.

05:10:07.420 Well, that, you know, we should spend a minute on the court because, look, this wasn't a big

05:10:12.680 issue in this campaign because the justices are not that elderly right now. And I think

05:10:17.260 because also Republicans who usually run on it didn't want to mention it, given the backlash

05:10:21.840 to Dobbs and how the left is completely freaked out over the court. It's better not, you know,

05:10:26.040 to get into it, though. It typically motivates Republicans more than Democrats in elections.

05:10:29.740 But Thomas is getting long in the tooth. Love him. But he's getting up there.

05:10:36.200 People have mentioned Alito. I think he's still relatively young by Supreme Court justice

05:10:39.140 standards.

05:10:39.240 Young, but he's tired and bored and sick of it.

05:10:41.980 What? Why? Why are you saying that?

05:10:44.240 Because that's what I hear.

05:10:45.740 What?

05:10:46.320 I think he might take the opportunity to retire.

05:10:49.260 You heard it here first.

05:10:50.620 Oh, what kind of blaspheme is that?

05:10:52.360 I don't want him to. I'm just saying he might take the opportunity.

05:10:55.180 The upside is his wife will be able to fly more flights.

05:10:57.100 Exactly.

05:10:57.420 She can open her flight business.

05:10:59.400 Fly those flags in solidarity with Mrs. Alito.

05:11:02.560 I should have asked Mike Davis. He clerked for Alito.

05:11:05.280 You know, Mike Davis.

05:11:06.180 Oh, he's not going to say that either way.

05:11:07.400 Yeah, he probably knows, though. But Mike Davis, I have to tell you this.

05:11:09.800 It was two summers ago. Mike Davis dropped this piece on the Mar-a-Lago case,

05:11:14.900 which was totally radically different from anything I'd been hearing anyplace else.

05:11:18.640 From Andy, who's a genius, who I love. He's my go-to on everything.

05:11:21.980 Turley. Nobody was saying what Mike Davis was saying.

05:11:23.940 I'm like, what is this?

05:11:25.240 Is he a nutcase? Maybe he's a nutcase. I don't know.

05:11:27.780 I started reading. I started looking more at Mike Davis.

05:11:30.500 I'm like, this guy actually makes a lot of sense.

05:11:32.060 Turns out he clerked for Alito, Supreme Court.

05:11:34.380 Very smart guy.

05:11:35.540 Comes on, starts arguing with Dave Ehrenberg, making all these predictions on the law fair.

05:11:39.840 He hasn't been wrong. He's been right about it all.

05:11:43.140 It all. He really should be under consideration for, if not AG, some sort of top role.

05:11:47.360 If Trump wins. We're still at that point.

05:11:50.680 Looking at the running tally, Trump, 246.

05:11:53.760 Harris, 187.

05:11:55.760 It takes 270 to become president of the United States.

05:12:00.560 Okay, wait.

05:12:01.800 My handy team sent me the ages.

05:12:05.120 Thomas is 76.

05:12:07.320 Alito, 74.

05:12:08.460 Wow, I didn't realize he's only two years younger than Thomas.

05:12:12.560 He just seems so vibrant.

05:12:13.820 Youngish, 74.

05:12:14.940 Yeah, Sotomayor is 70, but not in the best health.

05:12:18.920 Chief Justice McDreamy, I mean, Roberts is 69.

05:12:22.720 It's on a sliding scale.

05:12:26.360 Kagan's 64.

05:12:27.560 Kavanaugh's 59.

05:12:29.320 Gorsuch is only 57.

05:12:31.200 Brown Jackson is 54.

05:12:33.340 By the way, I know you guys wrote a piece over at NRO,

05:12:36.520 defending Justice Gorsuch's book,

05:12:39.980 which is all about cutting down on the administrative state.

05:12:42.500 Wait, was he or was he not totally justified

05:12:45.000 in calling out the BS over-regulation

05:12:47.960 and government getting too involved in our business

05:12:50.140 in the wake of Peanut the Squirrel's execution?

05:12:53.460 Oh, Peanut.

05:12:56.100 Peanut may have cost them these Senate seats.

05:12:59.200 Am I wrong?

05:12:59.640 True me wrong.

05:13:00.280 10% of the Senate went over because of that.

05:13:02.520 What the hell?

05:13:03.920 You're New Yorker?

05:13:05.040 I agree.

05:13:05.520 How do they go in there and kill a little peanut 0.99

05:13:07.160 and the little raccoon? 0.57

05:13:08.360 Did you guys follow this story?

05:13:09.780 Yeah.

05:13:10.220 Yes.

05:13:10.500 Were you horrified?

05:13:11.640 It's disgusting.

05:13:12.740 Yes.

05:13:13.620 The young men from the high school are horrified.

05:13:16.820 It made them all Republicans. 0.60

05:13:20.460 Okay, a couple more things.

05:13:21.920 Let's see as we wait to see what's going on.

05:13:25.360 Okay.

05:13:27.860 John King.

05:13:29.820 Let's see.

05:13:30.520 John King.

05:13:31.060 The trajectory we are on is an overwhelming Donald Trump victory

05:13:36.120 in the Electoral College.

05:13:38.100 We agree, John King.

05:13:40.100 We agree.

05:13:40.640 The New York Times needle is now 95% chance Trump wins.

05:13:45.440 New York Times needle on the Electoral College.

05:13:47.620 They're predicting Trump 306 to Harris's 232.

05:13:52.460 And the needle has got Trump winning the popular vote too by 1.2.

05:13:58.060 So I've got to get, they're happy.

05:14:01.820 He's looking at some Trump and make America great again hats.

05:14:06.480 I've got to show you this clip because I wanted to do it.

05:14:10.640 I haven't gotten to it.

05:14:11.800 We've talked about her problems and how she's inauthentic

05:14:15.720 and she might not know who she is.

05:14:17.220 And she tries to be fake inspirational.

05:14:19.860 She's not real inspirational.

05:14:21.680 And there was a clip that came out yesterday,

05:14:23.520 I think that totally embodies this where you may have seen it.

05:14:26.460 She tries to get a chant going at her rally in Scranton, Pennsylvania.

05:14:32.920 It doesn't go well.

05:14:34.300 It's SOT 8 on our SOT list.

05:14:36.300 Debbie Murphy, take a listen. 0.90

05:14:38.940 No, we don't have it.

05:14:40.960 What do you mean?

05:14:42.900 Yeah, SOT 8.

05:14:43.760 She failed to start her chant.

05:14:45.980 I'm looking at it.

05:14:46.660 It's from today.

05:14:47.640 Election Day show.

05:14:49.140 Number eight.

05:14:49.740 It's only 1.15 in the morning.

05:14:52.820 Even my team starts dropping balls at this hour.

05:14:57.460 What do you mean she says?

05:14:58.680 What do you mean you don't know what I got?

05:15:00.140 You know the one I mean.

05:15:02.740 Try it.

05:15:04.320 Listen to Debbie. 0.95

05:15:05.040 Debbie.

05:15:13.260 Okay.

05:15:13.900 Now I want each of you to tell your own name.

05:15:16.360 Do that.

05:15:16.880 This isn't it.

05:15:20.000 This isn't it.

05:15:21.040 There are so many painful Kamala clips.

05:15:24.000 They can't find them all.

05:15:25.480 Yes.

05:15:25.800 No, it's a different one where she starts them chanting like,

05:15:30.040 Let's go team.

05:15:31.980 Let's go team.

05:15:33.420 You guys got it?

05:15:34.280 Yes.

05:15:34.580 We found it.

05:15:35.400 Even at 1.15.

05:15:39.060 Thank you.

05:15:39.840 Thank you.

05:15:40.640 Thank you.

05:15:41.300 Thank you.

05:15:43.880 Let's vote.

05:15:45.180 Let's get out the vote.

05:15:46.420 Let's get out the vote.

05:15:48.020 Let's get out the vote.

05:15:49.480 Let's get out the vote.

05:15:50.980 Let's get out the vote.

05:15:52.480 Let's get out the vote.

05:15:53.800 Let's win.

05:15:58.700 All right.

05:15:59.460 Let's get to work.

05:16:00.640 24 hours to go.

05:16:03.520 Can you look at these boys?

05:16:05.120 Can you look at them?

05:16:06.020 I think is a secondhand embarrassment.

05:16:07.560 Is that what you call that?

05:16:09.920 Oh, my God.

05:16:11.000 They're all looking down at their shoes.

05:16:12.080 They're horrified.

05:16:13.260 I mean, like, she couldn't get the chant going.

05:16:15.820 That.

05:16:16.560 It's not chantable.

05:16:17.440 It's just not chantable.

05:16:18.200 It's not chantable.

05:16:19.120 But there's no connection between that audience and their purported leader.

05:16:24.020 I know I have said before she's the left Sarah Palin.

05:16:28.280 But that is that is very Tracy Flick.

05:16:31.520 Tracy Flick from election.

05:16:33.000 Yeah.

05:16:33.220 Yeah.

05:16:33.500 Oh, yeah.

05:16:34.220 Yes.

05:16:34.780 Like, how do I know that name?

05:16:36.120 Tracy Flick.

05:16:36.800 Reese Witherspoon.

05:16:37.920 Like the girl who was like, I'm going to get it.

05:16:39.580 I'm going to get it.

05:16:40.240 I'm going to get it.

05:16:40.880 I'm going to get it.

05:16:41.640 Nobody wanted her.

05:16:43.480 Yeah.

05:16:43.800 And that's Kamala.

05:16:45.680 Someone posted a while ago during the primaries to contrast Trump with with DeSantis and some

05:16:50.920 others in terms of just his charisma and his performance ability.

05:16:53.920 But he was at a rally and the lights went out in the arena and everyone's kind of, you

05:16:58.820 know, uncertain.

05:16:59.760 And he's like, who are these people turning off lights?

05:17:01.660 You know, actually, I like him better off.

05:17:03.760 And they've got the whole crowd turned around.

05:17:05.340 So they're applauding into the fact that the lights were off.

05:17:08.260 Yeah.

05:17:08.480 You know, and just Trump can do that.

05:17:10.040 And some people can't.

05:17:11.000 And she's one one of the ones who can't.

05:17:13.520 I don't know.

05:17:14.260 There's I really don't want to keep saying I just have this terrible vision of waking

05:17:20.620 up tomorrow and seeing a blue wave come in.

05:17:23.240 And then this whole show has been irrelevant.

05:17:25.500 And we said all the wrong things because somehow she managed to turn it around.

05:17:29.240 But I mean, no one is predicting that's going to happen.

05:17:32.720 Not not any not CNN, not MSNBC, not Fox, not not Henry.

05:17:37.600 Nobody like everybody.

05:17:39.100 Henry Olsen has been absolutely brilliant.

05:17:40.720 And I just think I don't know why they can't call the races right now.

05:17:44.940 It's just outstanding vote.

05:17:46.280 There's just too much outstanding in counties that must be blue for them to get there.

05:17:50.780 But I mean, the result seems pretty clear.

05:17:53.920 And I have to say something I've been wanting to say now for weeks, but I didn't want to

05:17:58.560 because I didn't want to jinx it.

05:17:59.800 I am really looking forward.

05:18:01.540 I think I speak for my husband, Doug.

05:18:03.180 I am really looking forward to the million thought pieces on why she failed so miserably

05:18:10.840 and how she never should have been chosen and admitting the truth exactly about how this

05:18:19.380 all went down.

05:18:20.180 Because now the finger pointing in democratic circles is going to be vicious.

05:18:26.460 Let's just spend a minute talking about that.

05:18:30.940 Yeah.

05:18:31.440 We hear from a lot of people.

05:18:32.460 They thought there was a bad idea all along.

05:18:34.340 Right.

05:18:34.640 And it should have been some open process, competitive process.

05:18:39.300 So she'd have to prove her chops.

05:18:41.880 And, you know, I do think they didn't say it, but clearly the body language and the silence

05:18:47.200 about Kamala right at the beginning from Obama and Pelosi strongly suggest that that's what

05:18:51.460 they wanted.

05:18:52.280 But it would have been difficult.

05:18:53.560 Right.

05:18:53.980 I mean, they know fundraising for a unified candidate through the entire convention, maybe

05:18:59.500 an open convention.

05:19:00.560 I think it's really hard for a party to-

05:19:02.680 But she took in a billion dollars in a couple of, in a hundred days. 0.99

05:19:05.900 She, whoever they nominated could have done it.

05:19:08.380 They did not need those campaign coffers.

05:19:09.780 But it's hard to know that.

05:19:11.940 We know that now, right?

05:19:13.700 But going in-

05:19:14.920 I said it at the time.

05:19:16.540 Yeah.

05:19:16.880 I knew it.

05:19:17.500 Well, you're uniquely prescient.

05:19:19.160 But it was just going with some form of order rather than chaos.

05:19:25.100 It's kind of natural they went for the order.

05:19:27.660 But we'll hear from all the people who wanted an open process.

05:19:29.720 And clearly, if she had had to run in primaries and caucuses, she wouldn't have survived, right?

05:19:34.140 She probably wouldn't have won. 0.77

05:19:35.080 And even if she had won, she would have at least been a little better than this.

05:19:37.800 Don't you think it was a diversity thing?

05:19:40.280 I mean, I think they-

05:19:41.280 It was a lot of it, yeah.

05:19:42.140 They were like-

05:19:43.200 Rejecting the black woman. 1.00

05:19:44.580 Hell no.

05:19:44.800 We cannot.

05:19:45.840 The Democrat Party cannot reject the black woman. 0.65

05:19:48.360 And then there was this discussion of, well, what about Michelle Obama?

05:19:52.120 She's a black woman. 1.00

05:19:52.980 And Sonny Hostin over on The View was like, we're not interchangeable.

05:19:57.440 And it's like, okay, no one said you're interchangeable.

05:19:59.900 But one of those two people has talent in front of an audience and one does not.

05:20:05.040 And I just think it was their commitment in the end to identity politics that killed them.

05:20:11.680 Yeah, that was a big part of it.

05:20:12.840 And she may have won in the primaries and caucuses also because they would have been uncomfortable rejecting a black woman. 1.00

05:20:18.620 It ran out.

05:20:19.500 The magic bullet that got her straight up the corporate ladder into the DA's office, AG, senator, VP.

05:20:28.980 It had its limit.

05:20:30.600 It hit a steel wall and could not propel her to the next step.

05:20:35.760 And they knew it.

05:20:37.560 There was a lot of reporting.

05:20:38.880 But that's one of the good things about the result, if this is the result, is that we no longer will watch everyone pretend.

05:20:47.780 Standby.

05:20:49.060 Fox News just called Pennsylvania for Trump.

05:20:51.160 Whoa.

05:20:52.100 Look at these guys.

05:20:54.800 The guys are happy.

05:20:56.440 Well, it takes them to what, 266?

05:20:58.320 Yeah, that's it.

05:20:59.320 That's it.

05:21:00.000 Why?

05:21:00.280 Because of Arizona.

05:21:02.200 Yeah, well, is Fox called Georgia?

05:21:05.320 No, not yet.

05:21:06.300 But they're going to.

05:21:07.460 Georgia and that's it.

05:21:08.620 Yeah, Georgia.

05:21:09.800 We got to get Henry back.

05:21:11.540 Can somebody get Henry back?

05:21:12.720 Let's get Henry back on.

05:21:14.380 We could be close to this whole thing getting called.

05:21:17.360 We're going to see and raise the students he has behind him with your class of interns here.

05:21:23.100 I know.

05:21:23.740 Exactly right.

05:21:25.300 I like my class of interns.

05:21:27.060 I feel like they can withstand this test.

05:21:29.040 I mean, at this rate, if we're like on the precipice of, oh, wow.

05:21:35.400 It's huge.

05:21:37.320 Oh, Fox did call Georgia.

05:21:39.540 So is it just Fox?

05:21:40.700 Wait, if Fox called Georgia, aren't we there?

05:21:42.880 But didn't CNN call Georgia?

05:21:45.420 Isn't that on the map?

05:21:45.780 Hold on.

05:21:46.360 Let's get off of this.

05:21:48.240 I'm toggling back and forth between CNN and Fox.

05:21:51.640 So if she won Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin.

05:21:55.080 Pennsylvania wins.

05:21:57.140 He's three away.

05:21:58.960 So he's got.

05:21:59.440 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

05:22:00.980 Wait.

05:22:01.400 So with Georgia.

05:22:04.040 What?

05:22:04.480 Did they call Nevada?

05:22:06.940 Did they call Nevada?

05:22:07.980 Is that what you're saying?

05:22:09.620 No.

05:22:09.880 He could get it with Alaska?

05:22:14.620 Oh, yeah.

05:22:15.240 Yeah?

05:22:15.760 Is that what you guys are saying?

05:22:16.720 He doesn't need another swing.

05:22:18.760 Alaska?

05:22:19.640 That's why.

05:22:20.260 He doesn't need another swing.

05:22:21.740 That's why.

05:22:21.960 Because they haven't yet called Alaska.

05:22:23.700 Because it's late, yeah.

05:22:24.600 But he has all the swing states he needs.

05:22:26.460 Holy cow, you guys.

05:22:28.280 He's the next president of the United States.

05:22:29.680 Wow.

05:22:30.760 Wow.

05:22:32.120 He did it.

05:22:35.620 If he won Pennsylvania, he's going to win the other two because he's more ahead

05:22:38.840 than the other two.

05:22:40.320 May I just say, holy shit.

05:22:45.860 I know.

05:22:46.580 Oh, my God.

05:22:48.400 Can I just ask you?

05:22:49.220 I just like I got all these high school kids here who are, you know, 17, 18 years old.

05:22:53.320 You're not on mic, so I'll repeat what you say.

05:22:54.760 But why are you so happy?

05:22:56.080 Why did you want him to win so badly?

05:22:57.960 Kamala's terrible. 0.73

05:22:59.100 Kamala's terrible?

05:23:00.060 He's our president.

05:23:00.920 He's a real person.

05:23:01.980 He's a real person?

05:23:02.680 You mean he's authentic?

05:23:03.420 It'd be a sad commentary on our country that we are able to pick someone like Kamala to be 0.99

05:23:09.520 president.

05:23:10.060 I mean, she's just like, she's a puppet, and it's clear.

05:23:12.880 She's a puppet. 1.00

05:23:14.020 And it'd be a sad commentary if we pick somebody like that.

05:23:16.080 You didn't respect her?

05:23:17.280 No, not at all.

05:23:18.180 She didn't win a primary.

05:23:19.340 She didn't win a primary, correct?

05:23:20.740 Trump won't start any new wars, and she will continue all of these wars. 0.98

05:23:24.380 Trump won't start any new wars, because if he did, who would have to fight them?

05:23:27.620 Us.

05:23:28.080 Young men.

05:23:28.700 You guys.

05:23:29.300 Gas bills.

05:23:30.560 Yeah, exactly right.

05:23:32.560 He endorses them.

05:23:33.480 Think about it.

05:23:34.660 Yeah, I mean, it's really crazy, because I was texting with some friends, and we were

05:23:39.100 talking about, you know, the pro-war sort of side of, not even pro-war.

05:23:44.840 I think it would be her incompetence that would get us involved into something. 1.00

05:23:48.380 I don't know how much of a hawk she actually is, but I think she's probably controlled 0.97

05:23:51.640 by hawks.

05:23:52.540 But it's her incompetence that scares me. 0.75

05:23:54.820 She would say something.

05:23:55.600 She would do something.

05:23:56.380 She does not seem like a bright person who could handle herself rhetorically or otherwise.

05:24:01.260 And my friend was saying, you know, yeah, my kid is 18.

05:24:05.320 And I was saying, yeah, my kid is 15.

05:24:07.780 You know, I mean, they're years away, and these kids are 18 right here.

05:24:11.280 It's like, there are real consequences to who's, we kind of laugh about it, right?

05:24:16.020 Like, oh, she's a dope. 1.00

05:24:17.420 She can't speak.

05:24:18.160 It's like, no, she is asking us to give her George Washington's job.

05:24:22.500 She's asking us to make her commander-in-chief.

05:24:25.440 And, oh, wow.

05:24:27.160 Trump is almost 5 million ahead in the popular vote.

05:24:31.120 That's amazing.

05:24:32.440 So how many will she win California by?

05:24:35.280 Do we know?

05:24:36.220 I mean, what's...

05:24:36.600 No, we don't know.

05:24:37.960 But, I mean, at this rate, she's going to win the popular vote. 0.87

05:24:41.280 She's going to... 0.97

05:24:41.860 Sorry, he is going to win the popular vote.

05:24:44.480 He is going to win the electoral college.

05:24:46.340 There is just no way the Republicans are not going to win the House with these kinds of margins.

05:24:52.000 I mean, there is a way.

05:24:53.160 They wouldn't.

05:24:53.580 But it's extremely unlikely.

05:24:55.660 And I will be...

05:24:57.900 I'll use the word...

05:24:59.600 Mandate.

05:25:00.040 To do what?

05:25:02.560 Whatever the hell he wants.

05:25:03.780 I know, but that's the question, isn't it?

05:25:05.280 Because he didn't really run on anything.

05:25:07.260 Well, I mean, didn't he?

05:25:09.500 No.

05:25:09.900 I don't know.

05:25:10.780 I think Trump promised to...

05:25:12.300 Border, energy...

05:25:13.040 Well, certainly the border.

05:25:13.880 Exactly.

05:25:14.000 But the border is more of an executive problem.

05:25:15.860 And to roll back regulations.

05:25:18.520 That's executive, too.

05:25:19.660 The Trump tax cuts are going to expire.

05:25:22.300 Yeah, that's true.

05:25:22.940 And she was not going to renew them for anybody making more than $400,000 a year because she

05:25:27.580 doesn't understand how corporations work.

05:25:29.580 That's fair.

05:25:30.300 That's one big change is they'll now be basically all renewed.

05:25:33.760 So it was extremely painful to me as a really committed pro-lifer.

05:25:36.600 But you also have to probably conclude that his defensive politics on abortion worked.

05:25:42.200 Yes.

05:25:42.560 They took the edge off of it.

05:25:43.720 Yes.

05:25:44.200 That was another thing I was right on, Rich.

05:25:45.920 There you go.

05:25:48.620 No, because it's just you can't get anything done unless you win elections.

05:25:52.200 And I think abortion... 0.82

05:25:53.660 I think this is a message for both sides.

05:25:56.220 Abortion, it takes a long time to get people there.

05:25:58.720 It's also a state issue, constitutionally.

05:26:00.860 Thank you.

05:26:01.640 I'm very pro-life.

05:26:02.840 No, I know.

05:26:03.460 And I don't like the way Trump talks about it sometimes.

05:26:05.580 But he's right on this when he says it's not a national issue.

05:26:08.520 I know.

05:26:09.180 It's not.

05:26:09.880 And can we...

05:26:10.620 Where is the thought piece in National Review that makes the point that I've been making

05:26:15.080 on the show, which is it's not a national issue.

05:26:16.720 And not only that, but there's not...

05:26:18.600 Congress doesn't have the power to legislate this naturally.

05:26:20.580 We've had an argument about it.

05:26:21.860 I've written it.

05:26:22.540 Okay, good.

05:26:23.080 Send it to me.

05:26:24.040 You guys totally agree.

05:26:24.620 I don't understand why they argued it the way they did.

05:26:26.280 They should have just said, not only can we not regulate it nationally with a ban,

05:26:30.260 they can't regulate it.

05:26:31.080 Exactly.

05:26:31.720 You don't want to open the door to that.

05:26:33.100 Otherwise, you give them the rhetoric.

05:26:34.760 And she want to get rid of the filibuster to let it happen. 0.70

05:26:37.460 So the Republicans would do that too.

05:26:39.100 There'd be no minority rights to object.

05:26:41.880 Oh, really?

05:26:43.060 Okay.

05:26:43.540 Is this what you're calling my attention to?

05:26:45.300 My team wanted me to see a text from Mark Cuban.

05:26:50.020 Congrats, real Donald Trump.

05:26:51.600 You won fair and square.

05:26:53.100 Congrats to Elon Musk as well.

05:26:54.540 Hashtag Godspeed.

05:26:55.580 I mean, I'd like to take that in a nice spirit, but I don't.

05:26:58.980 Because I don't think it's sincere.

05:27:01.380 What I see there is a businessman who's trying to cozy up to the next commander in chief,

05:27:06.040 president of the United States.

05:27:06.720 Sometimes even when you're insincere and say the right things, that's better than the alternative.

05:27:11.040 Oh, Rich, you're just a better person than I am.

05:27:14.540 Cynical mofo, like I said. 0.98

05:27:16.220 Mark Cuban said one of the weirdest things of the whole campaign, where he said if he actually

05:27:20.220 believed in Harris's tax plan, if he thought that she was going to actually do it, he wouldn't

05:27:24.920 be supporting it.

05:27:25.820 Do you see that?

05:27:26.980 That he, that, oh, yes, exactly.

05:27:29.040 Unrealized capital gains and all that.

05:27:30.540 And what an amazing thing to say for someone you're stomping for.

05:27:33.860 Well, it's News Nation, which has been a little ahead of the curve on some of these

05:27:37.500 things, but they've got some very good people.

05:27:41.000 Donald Trump projected to win presidential race.

05:27:44.440 Wow.

05:27:44.800 So, so every, I'm actually kind of emotional about it.

05:27:48.400 Everyone wins the presidency.

05:27:49.460 It's, it's an incredible personal vindication, right?

05:27:51.360 Because there are not many people who do it or ever will do it.

05:27:53.880 But especially with Trump doing it his own way.

05:27:57.740 Now, he was a little more disciplined.

05:27:59.100 He listened to his campaign advisors more than usual, but still, this is his own show.

05:28:03.780 And so many people, for not unreasonable reasons, thought it's not going to work.

05:28:07.740 He's hurting himself.

05:28:08.660 You know, he's going to blow it at the end.

05:28:10.300 And he didn't.

05:28:11.120 And instead, he's, he's wiped the floor with the opposition, brought in a strong Senate

05:28:15.760 majority, probably bring in the House.

05:28:17.280 We'll have to wait, wait to see.

05:28:18.700 So, you know, I mentioned earlier, he doesn't like hearing the word should.

05:28:21.640 And he's not really not going to want to hear that word now, right?

05:28:24.860 Because he's going to think he was right about everything and he did his own way.

05:28:29.460 And it was the detractors who are wrong and discredited.

05:28:33.000 I, I mean, I think he, he pulled off a miracle.

05:28:36.360 He pulled off a miracle.

05:28:37.320 If you think of how down he was after January 6th, how moved he was universally, almost,

05:28:43.900 you know, very, only a core, core group stood by him, defended him.

05:28:48.180 And that same guy who stood up and said fight while he was bleeding from his head was that

05:28:54.220 guy who said, I'm not down and out.

05:28:57.020 I am not giving up.

05:28:58.900 I will be back.

05:29:00.900 It's not over.

05:29:02.340 Scott Pressler tweeting out, Mr. President, I'm pleased to share that we have delivered

05:29:05.740 Pennsylvania for you.

05:29:07.280 Congratulations, sir.

05:29:08.540 Well, it's like, I'm kind of emotional about it.

05:29:10.420 That guy works so hard.

05:29:11.720 Think of all the people who have been out there canvassing for Trump nonstop, like the

05:29:16.500 true loyalists who left it all on the field, you know, gave up his whole life, moved there,

05:29:21.680 you know, knocked on how many, got the Amish out. 1.00

05:29:24.300 For the love of God.

05:29:25.720 Who gets the Amish? 1.00

05:29:26.900 He was probably driving the little buggy.

05:29:28.880 Did you see the buggies?

05:29:30.100 The buggies today with the Trump flag?

05:29:31.780 The buggies with the, I mean, they did the impossible.

05:29:36.480 And I just want to say a word similar to what I said last night at the Trump rally.

05:29:41.720 To the people who are feeling upset, to the people who are feeling upset about a Trump

05:29:47.240 victory, don't. 0.91

05:29:49.260 You've been misled by this media that hates him.

05:29:54.020 They've been lying to you about who he is.

05:29:56.620 And I will tell you from my own experience from 2016 to now, if you are open minded to

05:30:01.880 Trump, if you will open your mind, you will see his good qualities.

05:30:04.720 He's not all good.

05:30:06.020 No one is.

05:30:06.720 There's a lot of controversial stuff about Trump.

05:30:08.620 I don't deny that.

05:30:10.120 But I do believe he's earnest in wanting to do good for the country.

05:30:13.500 And I actually think his, quote, narcissism, which every president is a narcissist, can

05:30:18.840 really work well for the United States of America.

05:30:21.260 Once we are tied to that same ego, we are going to do well, as we did under the first

05:30:26.100 four years of Trump.

05:30:27.740 And what I said last night is true.

05:30:29.400 Trump will close the border.

05:30:31.100 He will absolutely reinstitute those executive orders.

05:30:34.360 That's how he did.

05:30:34.900 And he didn't have congressional support last time.

05:30:37.280 This time, he might actually be able to pass a law and write it into law to secure our

05:30:42.840 border once and for all.

05:30:44.680 We haven't had that.

05:30:46.300 So we might not have to do it by executive order that can be undone like that, where we

05:30:51.660 have a policy where they have to remain in Mexico while they seek asylum here so that

05:30:55.080 if we deny it, which we should in 98 percent of the cases, they're Mexico's problems, not

05:31:00.100 ours, where he cracked down on these B.S.

05:31:03.740 asylum claims, which are being totally abused.

05:31:06.020 If you are in Mexico asking for asylum, why are you coming here?

05:31:09.260 You're fine.

05:31:09.720 You're already in another country.

05:31:10.700 You're no longer in danger.

05:31:12.500 Like they've been used.

05:31:13.380 They just want a better economic opportunity.

05:31:15.400 And I understand that.

05:31:16.040 But that's what legal pathways to immigration are for, not not asylum.

05:31:21.260 Trump will rebuild the wall.

05:31:22.620 He absolutely will resume the start of the border wall and finish the wall.

05:31:26.280 Joe Biden sold off the wall for parts.

05:31:29.820 He sold it off the parts off.

05:31:33.240 I do believe he has a way of stopping the continuing influx. 0.99

05:31:37.540 Now, the deportation is going to be a lot harder, but I believe, Trump, that he's going

05:31:41.140 to try to go after the murderers and the gang members and get them out.

05:31:44.460 And he's been more humane on the topic of people who are living here, who are married

05:31:48.720 to Americans, who have American children.

05:31:50.960 He's that's a different story.

05:31:52.200 But who are married to Americans? 0.98

05:31:53.500 We haven't talked about this much tonight.

05:31:54.700 We've talked about the culture stuff, a little of the economy.

05:31:57.120 But this was an enormous issue.

05:31:58.880 And it was totally insane for just in sheer political terms for Biden to open up the border,

05:32:05.140 right, and let this ongoing crisis roiled the entire country, including blue cities,

05:32:09.260 knowing, or at least he should have known, his likely opponent was this extremely pungent,

05:32:16.320 populous politician whose signature issue was the border.

05:32:19.700 He did that.

05:32:20.820 And not until the last several months did they realize it was a mistake and they needed to

05:32:24.540 try to backtrack and to cover for it.

05:32:26.220 And they did it ineffectually.

05:32:28.000 Right.

05:32:28.160 They did it all about this Langford bill.

05:32:29.720 That was total BS.

05:32:30.540 It was really about blessing a lot of these new legal pathways they've created rather than

05:32:34.540 really cracking down on the border.

05:32:36.120 So this is a huge thing.

05:32:37.320 And she didn't get any separation from Biden on this either.

05:32:40.180 It would have been the easiest thing in the world to say, I love Joe.

05:32:42.920 You know, he saved democracy.

05:32:43.880 But I would have been a little tougher.

05:32:45.560 She couldn't even do that. 0.52

05:32:46.820 And why didn't she?

05:32:48.500 Because no one would believe her.

05:32:50.680 I think she's more of an open borders person than he is.

05:32:53.100 But why didn't she?

05:32:54.420 She was facile at lying on other subjects.

05:32:56.640 Why not that one?

05:32:57.760 I think it's one, they didn't want to flip-flop on too many things, given how much they, on

05:33:01.980 recent new stuff, given how they're flip-flopping on the stuff from 19 and 20.

05:33:06.160 And, you know, she was always worried about the left, the way Biden was.

05:33:09.520 So I think she was worried if she actually said, we got to stop this, it's wrong, she'd lose

05:33:14.720 people on the left.

05:33:16.300 So she couldn't be tough-minded about it.

05:33:18.400 Immigration is the perfect example of the moral imperative issue that I mentioned earlier, 0.99

05:33:23.340 where it should be something we negotiate, where you decide how many immigrants do you

05:33:28.000 want?

05:33:28.760 What criteria do we use to admit them?

05:33:31.960 How long do they have to wait before they can become a citizen?

05:33:34.920 What's our asylum policy?

05:33:36.240 And then we shouldn't really have any tolerance for illegal immigration at all.

05:33:38.980 But it has become this strange, absolute thing where everyone must come in, and if you don't

05:33:47.940 agree with that, then you're Hitler. 0.72

05:33:51.020 And you can't, once you've said that, you can't compromise on it.

05:33:53.840 And she knows that if she stands up and says, I'm going to do something about this, the closest

05:33:59.560 she got was she said, oh, I support the House bill, right?

05:34:02.460 Because she was pretending that would enforce the border, it wouldn't have.

05:34:04.620 But if she had taken on the left and done the sister soldier thing and said, actually,

05:34:08.840 let's just enforce this, then she'd be denounced in every newspaper. 0.99

05:34:12.640 She would also never do that, I think.

05:34:15.840 Truly, this issue has gotten so out of control for the left, because this is the legacy of

05:34:22.840 George Floyd.

05:34:24.200 This is all wrapped up.

05:34:25.420 It's the same thing with Israel versus Palestine. 0.93

05:34:27.660 It's brown people good, white people bad, and we have to atone for our sins, because we 1.00

05:34:34.820 are still relitigating the Civil War and this history of slavery in America.

05:34:40.880 We now must atone, and everybody who wants to come in, as far as the left is concerned,

05:34:46.580 that's the way to do it.

05:34:47.960 Right, because we stole the country from Native Americans, so who do we... 1.00

05:34:51.700 I think that's the worldview.

05:34:53.240 It's a moral imperative for them.

05:34:55.220 They think a border is inherently hateful.

05:34:57.440 Yes, and walls are erected in many countries throughout the world.

05:35:02.960 I just want to tell the audience we are awaiting President Donald Trump to take the stage down

05:35:09.880 in Mar-a-Lago.

05:35:10.740 He's expected to address his supporters.

05:35:12.920 He's been at Mar-a-Lago all day, and you think about what must be happening in Mar-a-Lago

05:35:17.360 right now.

05:35:18.020 It's Trump, Melania, his family.

05:35:21.520 It is J.D. Vance.

05:35:23.260 It's Vivek.

05:35:24.440 It's Tucker Carlson.

05:35:26.340 It's all the people.

05:35:27.580 Susie Wiles is campaign manager.

05:35:29.180 Chris LaCivita.

05:35:30.340 This woman here who they're showing us on the phone.

05:35:33.340 Who is that?

05:35:34.140 I don't know.

05:35:34.580 They're really zeroing in.

05:35:36.920 She seems a little emotional.

05:35:38.620 It's Tulsi.

05:35:39.460 Just all of the people who helped him, I mean, really helped him because, look, the richest

05:35:47.180 man in the world on any given day, he gets behind you.

05:35:50.260 He's young.

05:35:50.980 He's vibrant.

05:35:51.580 He's exciting.

05:35:52.680 He's sending rockets to outer space.

05:35:55.160 I mean, I saw Elon the day of that All-In Summit I referenced earlier, and I had asked

05:35:59.140 him if he would sit with me for an interview, but he couldn't.

05:36:01.800 And we get to the All-In Summit, and I realize why he couldn't, because he was launching rockets

05:36:06.840 into the air that afternoon, and I thought he double-booked himself on the day of a rocket

05:36:13.920 launch.

05:36:14.640 He's here at the All-In Summit first.

05:36:17.220 That's Elon Musk, one of the most exciting, vibrant men of our time.

05:36:21.300 I mean, truly, he's the modern-day Thomas Edison.

05:36:23.520 Oh, yeah.

05:36:24.020 No question.

05:36:24.400 And he got behind Donald Trump bigly and started promising us all sorts of things,

05:36:30.620 that he's going to work to find these efficiencies in government, that he believes X will be

05:36:35.360 shut down.

05:36:35.680 He's completely anti-censorship.

05:36:38.100 And by the way, we must spend some time on the disgusting, dishonest, discredited media.

05:36:47.180 It's a huge loss for Kamala Harris, and it's a huge loss for all of you.

05:36:52.800 The only saving grace for the media is they have Donald Trump to kick around for another

05:36:58.560 four years.

05:36:59.360 He will bring their business back.

05:37:01.440 He will bring their ratings back.

05:37:02.740 They will not be thankful.

05:37:03.840 They will participate in the next attempt to kill him, meaning via impeachment, meaning

05:37:09.160 via bad press.

05:37:11.420 But they failed, Maureen.

05:37:13.620 Does WAPO bleed more subscribers now because they didn't endorse Kamala?

05:37:19.840 Or do they come back because democracy dies in darkness and they must, they must fight?

05:37:28.820 Abigail, find it.

05:37:29.600 I think it's time for the martini.

05:37:31.160 Oh.

05:37:32.160 Yeah.

05:37:32.540 No, me.

05:37:33.060 You don't drink.

05:37:34.300 Abby, can I have one?

05:37:34.940 Anyone else?

05:37:35.820 Do you want another cocktail?

05:37:36.620 Yeah, I'll get another one.

05:37:37.340 Yeah, what do you want?

05:37:38.260 A cocktail?

05:37:38.620 A martini?

05:37:38.980 A gin and tonic?

05:37:39.760 A gin and tonic?

05:37:40.380 Yeah.

05:37:40.860 Can you think he's going to make it?

05:37:41.760 A gin and tonic.

05:37:42.480 Tell Doug to do it.

05:37:43.300 He'll do it.

05:37:43.560 Is he sleeping?

05:37:43.940 No, go get Doug.

05:37:45.060 He'll do it.

05:37:45.780 What do you want, Rich?

05:37:46.860 Take a beer if you have one.

05:37:47.840 Yeah, a beer.

05:37:48.680 What do you want?

05:37:49.560 Martini, please.

05:37:50.540 Okay, beer, martini.

05:37:51.500 What was yours?

05:37:52.120 Martini.

05:37:52.500 Two martinis, a gin and tonic, and a beer.

05:37:56.020 Yeah.

05:37:56.340 Yeah, he's going to be so thrilled.

05:37:58.440 Yeah, come on. 0.77

05:37:59.420 It's 138.

05:38:00.780 If we're awake, Doug has to be awake.

05:38:02.960 Look at that.

05:38:03.980 Wow.

05:38:05.100 Just called Minnesota.

05:38:06.400 She won that one.

05:38:07.200 Well, good for her.

05:38:07.800 We're still doing the right tally.

05:38:09.460 Let me give you some of the reaction coming in, okay?

05:38:12.300 Steve Schmidt, should we start with him?

05:38:14.160 Yes.

05:38:14.920 Steve Schmidt?

05:38:15.680 Yes.

05:38:16.100 Never Trumper.

05:38:17.060 Lincoln Project.

05:38:18.800 Fascism has come to America, and as predicted, it is wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. 0.52

05:38:25.460 That's the old line.

05:38:26.620 That's pretty good.

05:38:29.860 Okay.

05:38:30.300 No, that's an old line.

05:38:31.220 He stole that.

05:38:32.080 Here's David from, these past few months, my plan for 2025 was to retire from political

05:38:37.780 journalism.

05:38:38.480 Oh, please do.

05:38:39.100 Seems I'll have to make new plans.

05:38:41.920 That's unfortunate.

05:38:43.000 That's the first piece of bad news we've gotten in the wake of the Trump victory.

05:38:47.140 Here's from the Babylon Bee with a picture of Kamala Harris.

05:38:50.820 America unburdens itself from what has been.

05:38:54.120 Somebody had to do it.

05:38:55.380 Ben Shapiro, the greatest political story in history.

05:38:59.620 I like that.

05:39:00.660 It's not just comeback.

05:39:01.700 It's the greatest political story in history.

05:39:04.020 I'm thinking of my friend, Justin Wells, who's been working on that Art of the Surge documentary.

05:39:09.520 Think about it.

05:39:11.240 If you are Trump's documentarian right now, they started, I think, in June.

05:39:18.160 In June, before the meltdown at the debate, before the assassination.

05:39:23.380 They were with him in Butler on the assassination attempt.

05:39:25.340 They've been documenting all this.

05:39:26.240 I saw him at the Trump rally last night, and he was saying, you know, if he loses, we're

05:39:30.500 going to have to rethink our title.

05:39:33.660 It's already out.

05:39:34.740 You can find it, by the way, at Art of the Surge.

05:39:37.420 That's the account on Twitter.

05:39:39.940 But yeah, that's exactly right.

05:39:41.620 Now, here's Dave Marcus.

05:39:42.940 Donald Trump's second term is now Nancy Pelosi's legacy.

05:39:47.840 Love it.

05:39:49.080 She's been so cocky about him not getting a second term.

05:39:53.660 There are limits to her powers. 0.99

05:39:56.420 You know, she may have gotten rid of Joe Biden, but that was the extent of what she could do.

05:40:01.860 Here's some more.

05:40:02.880 Let's see.

05:40:04.180 Trump, yeah, he's going to address the crowd at the convention center once the election

05:40:07.780 is called.

05:40:08.700 I mean, I guess it's not officially called.

05:40:11.960 Like, why is it just News Nation?

05:40:13.860 So you need Alaska to close so you can call Alaska?

05:40:16.700 Is that the rule?

05:40:17.880 That's just a formality.

05:40:19.060 Can we get Wisconsin, you know?

05:40:21.580 I do kind of want to hear from Henry again, if you guys can find him.

05:40:24.800 I mean, I know it's secure, but I'd like to hear it from one of our experts, and I'd like

05:40:28.900 him to explain what exactly we're waiting on.

05:40:33.120 Here's Elon Musk.

05:40:34.780 Yeah, you are the media now.

05:40:37.820 He's tweeted it to everybody.

05:40:39.160 Whoa.

05:40:40.440 Incredible.

05:40:41.080 Well, think about it.

05:40:41.720 I mean, can we talk about the realignment here?

05:40:43.160 Because I do think, I'm trying to think about it.

05:40:50.560 Trump won when it was more traditional media running the game in 2016.

05:40:55.660 So it's not like, what'd you say, Steve?

05:40:58.900 Steve Krakauer, what'd you say to me?

05:41:03.320 Okay.

05:41:04.880 He won, notwithstanding the absence of alternative media back in 2016.

05:41:09.720 Facebook.

05:41:10.180 He used Facebook.

05:41:11.120 Okay.

05:41:11.500 But, you know, not like what we have now.

05:41:14.020 But I do wonder what, I'm not trying to be self-aggrandizing because I'm in this lane.

05:41:19.480 You guys are in this lane too.

05:41:20.500 But I genuinely wonder, like, how important was this alternative place to get news in

05:41:29.420 this election?

05:41:29.940 Because the narratives couldn't get going.

05:41:32.840 And think about, like, the fact checks in the wake of the debates all over X, speaking

05:41:38.640 of Elon.

05:41:39.580 What do you think?

05:41:40.000 Well, I think there's a big difference, right?

05:41:42.160 In 2016, although the press was crazy as usual, a lot of what it did was just put a camera

05:41:47.480 in front of him and leave it running. 0.93

05:41:49.260 Yes.

05:41:49.560 He was obsessed with it.

05:41:50.400 It would leave it on the empty podium for hours until he showed up.

05:41:53.580 Yep.

05:41:53.700 And so his message was broadcast to lots of people.

05:41:57.720 And they didn't do that this time because they think that's what led him to win the

05:42:01.800 time before.

05:42:02.440 It's a bit like the Hillary email story where they just stopped covering anything that was

05:42:06.860 bad for Harris because they think they put Trump in.

05:42:10.200 So probably this time around, Twitter, I'm not calling it X, and other outlets were probably

05:42:19.000 more important to his victory.

05:42:21.340 But I don't think I helped his victory, Megan, because, as you know, I don't like him.

05:42:26.100 No, you don't.

05:42:26.780 But the...

05:42:28.160 I appreciate your honesty.

05:42:29.240 Yeah.

05:42:29.600 But I do think this time around, it probably was very important because the press just decided

05:42:34.300 to starve him of...

05:42:35.720 I mean, he was expelled from Twitter under the old leadership while he was president.

05:42:41.420 Yeah.

05:42:42.700 So you've got two different sort of environments.

05:42:45.260 This time, they tried to control it.

05:42:46.640 Last time, they actually didn't because they liked the ratings, and then they regretted it

05:42:50.160 afterwards.

05:42:50.420 Mm-hmm.

05:42:51.140 They voted for the middle finger once again.

05:42:53.920 Yep.

05:42:54.440 Absolutely.

05:42:55.000 And he's just bigger, you know, being kicked off Twitter.

05:42:58.640 There was...

05:42:59.560 He got less attention for a while because of that.

05:43:03.220 But then he starts his own social media company, right?

05:43:05.300 Right.

05:43:05.420 And so he's just...

05:43:06.840 He's bigger than any media outlet.

05:43:09.480 He's like a media phenomenon on his own.

05:43:12.840 There are people who opposed him in 16 other candidates who said, well, it was Breitbart and

05:43:19.100 Fox that delivered it to him.

05:43:20.900 And they're key to him in 16.

05:43:24.000 But he's bigger than anyone now.

05:43:26.720 And he's bigger than any outlet and can create his own gravity.

05:43:30.940 Now, that doesn't mean that all the alternative media is not important because it's really

05:43:34.480 important to check and counter the mainstream legacy media and the narrative.

05:43:39.600 So they still get narratives going, but it's harder now.

05:43:41.660 I think my own feeling on it is the more moderate voters, you know, the ones who could have been

05:43:49.980 persuaded to go Kamala's way.

05:43:53.080 I feel like they do listen to the editors and I feel like they listen to this show and

05:43:57.860 they feel...

05:43:58.240 I feel like they listen to a lot of the shows that are in our lane.

05:44:00.900 And I think with those groups, it makes a difference because the established right

05:44:05.880 wing is going to vote for Trump.

05:44:07.360 There's no world in which they'd vote for Kamala Harris.

05:44:09.280 But the people who are just adjacent could be persuaded by he's a fascist, he's terrible,

05:44:17.040 he hates women, he hates blacks, he hates Hispanic, whatever.

05:44:19.980 The narrative gets out there.

05:44:20.920 Bring it on over here, Doug.

05:44:21.900 Thank you.

05:44:23.860 And this is Doug Mortman, another Doug.

05:44:27.480 And I think it's important for those people to hear, people they know and respect and read

05:44:34.080 all the time like you guys say, that isn't true, that you're being lied to.

05:44:38.060 Oh, yeah.

05:44:38.400 You know, set the record straight.

05:44:39.340 Extraordinary amount of lying.

05:44:40.980 Yeah.

05:44:41.800 It's endless amount of lying.

05:44:43.960 And it's very annoying because sometimes he does things that need to be called out and

05:44:48.420 then they pile five or six layers on top of it.

05:44:51.220 And so to get there, you have to say, we didn't do this, but he did do that.

05:44:54.620 And then people sort of tune out.

05:44:56.640 But the lying has just been...

05:44:58.100 We were talking about this on the most recent editors.

05:45:00.040 I mean, the lying has just been extraordinary.

05:45:01.880 They gave up the pretense of wanting to seem truthful.

05:45:04.980 Right.

05:45:05.060 Yeah.

05:45:05.320 And they also...

05:45:06.000 It's even worse than that because what they do is they look to find things that he said

05:45:10.300 that if they take it out of context can be twisted.

05:45:13.180 Like he threatened to kill Liz Cheney?

05:45:14.840 Yeah.

05:45:15.020 That's a good example of it.

05:45:16.220 Joe Scarborough is still saying that this morning.

05:45:18.320 It drives me crazy.

05:45:19.020 He had this big rant to Charlie's point about how misinformation...

05:45:21.060 Can't wait to watch that show tomorrow morning.

05:45:24.000 He's done waking up early.

05:45:25.300 I don't care what time we go to bed.

05:45:26.540 Go ahead.

05:45:26.740 But his whole rant was about misinformation, how terrible it is.

05:45:30.260 And he had this long count of indictments against Donald Trump.

05:45:34.420 And one of them was that he wants to execute Liz Cheney, which is a lie.

05:45:37.760 Sure.

05:45:38.000 A provable lie.

05:45:39.020 A lie that anyone who pays a slice of it attention knows.

05:45:41.600 He presumably knows and says it anyway.

05:45:44.820 I don't know whether it's just the propaganda feels better or they think it's more powerful.

05:45:48.460 It's not his biggest lie.

05:45:49.560 You know what his biggest lie of this election cycle was.

05:45:52.380 Joe being better than ever?

05:45:53.720 Yeah.

05:45:54.040 Yeah.

05:45:54.540 Do we have that, you guys?

05:45:55.660 Do we have that?

05:45:56.760 We had a cut at some point.

05:45:57.000 I wrote about that.

05:45:57.760 It was so gross.

05:45:58.700 Joe on Joe being...

05:46:00.720 Yeah, we got it.

05:46:01.280 We're looking for it.

05:46:02.380 Yeah.

05:46:02.580 Here's interactive polls.

05:46:03.780 Let's see.

05:46:04.280 Yep.

05:46:05.340 Oh, yeah.

05:46:05.780 Now, so Fox News has called it.

05:46:07.900 They're projecting now officially Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president.

05:46:11.520 in the United States of America.

05:46:13.220 Got your hats on?

05:46:14.420 You got your...

05:46:15.340 Our boys here have got their drum.

05:46:17.500 You got 47, 45 on there?

05:46:19.760 No, only 47.

05:46:20.660 Oh, okay.

05:46:21.640 You got to get the updated hat.

05:46:24.080 I didn't want you tonight.

05:46:24.740 I didn't want you.

05:46:25.640 You know, do you guys remember...

05:46:27.500 So, are you mostly 17 or 18?

05:46:30.320 18.

05:46:30.960 17 and 18.

05:46:31.860 Okay.

05:46:32.100 So, four years ago, you were 17-year-olds.

05:46:33.560 You were 13 years old.

05:46:35.880 Do you remember when he first...

05:46:38.840 No, so it was eight years ago.

05:46:40.100 What am I saying?

05:46:40.580 It was eight years ago.

05:46:41.520 You were babies.

05:46:43.120 You were, like, nine and ten.

05:46:44.420 Do you remember how it was considered aggressive to wear the red hat?

05:46:47.840 I don't know if you guys remember that.

05:46:49.220 Now, people can wear it, you know, proudly and...

05:46:52.000 Like, it used to be considered kind of a middle finger.

05:46:55.000 Yeah, they still go after you, though, Megan, because in the World Series, I'm a big Yankees

05:46:58.620 fan of Riches.

05:46:59.420 During the World Series, in Game 1, I think there was a girl sitting behind a home plate 0.75

05:47:04.080 in California wearing the hat, and the press, not the announcers who didn't mention it, but

05:47:11.020 the press on Twitter just would not stop going on about this.

05:47:14.660 You're kidding me.

05:47:15.400 Oh, no.

05:47:15.860 It was just every journalist was tweeting about it.

05:47:18.420 How dare she wear a hat to a baseball game? 1.00

05:47:20.220 Oh, my Lord.

05:47:20.520 They're going to have to get used to it.

05:47:21.240 So I think it's still there.

05:47:22.500 Look at that.

05:47:23.700 Wow.

05:47:25.300 Donald Trump elected 47th President of the United States.

05:47:28.060 Take that, Grover Cleveland.

05:47:29.600 He did it.

05:47:30.700 He did it.

05:47:32.200 I mean, I don't know.

05:47:33.260 I just think Trump is an extraordinarily strong person.

05:47:36.600 All of the bad things are required qualities for the good things.

05:47:41.760 You just, you have to take the whole package.

05:47:44.800 You just don't get the guy who can stand up to Xi and say, I'll tariff you.

05:47:49.760 I don't care.

05:47:50.500 I'll do it.

05:47:51.320 And you know he will do it.

05:47:52.420 Or he'll bomb Soleimani, or he'll make the threat to the Taliban leader, or who will shove

05:47:56.720 the leader of Montenegro out of the way so that the United States president can be

05:48:00.240 in the front row.

05:48:00.860 You don't get all those things, which I love, without all of the douchey things.

05:48:05.680 We have to put up with them.

05:48:07.160 I'd much rather have this package.

05:48:09.120 I love the package.

05:48:10.600 Fox News calls Wisconsin for Trump.

05:48:12.740 Wow.

05:48:13.580 I mean, he might run the table.

05:48:15.360 He might run them off.

05:48:16.380 Look at these guys.

05:48:16.940 You've got to see these young guys, our focus group here.

05:48:18.980 They're so excited.

05:48:20.160 He's at 312 electoral votes.

05:48:22.140 We're heading for landslide.

05:48:23.540 No?

05:48:24.280 Yeah.

05:48:24.780 Oh, okay.

05:48:25.460 Sorry.

05:48:25.740 No, no.

05:48:26.820 So they haven't mentioned-

05:48:28.060 If he ran the table, he would have it.

05:48:29.480 But he might.

05:48:30.860 They haven't mentioned the Senate races in those states.

05:48:35.400 I mean, how can it possibly be?

05:48:37.860 Trump's got coattails.

05:48:38.800 He did in 16.

05:48:40.780 We've seen some of them now.

05:48:42.480 They just seem to be counting a lot more slowly.

05:48:45.960 Come on in.

05:48:46.340 Earlier in the night there, the Senate camps were running a little bit behind Trump, so

05:48:49.660 that might be just narrow on margins.

05:48:49.820 Thank you very much.

05:48:50.600 One gin and tonic.

05:48:52.420 Gracias.

05:48:53.720 Henry's here?

05:48:55.780 Cheers.

05:48:56.340 Cheers to you, Mr. President.

05:48:57.940 Looking forward to 47.

05:49:00.320 Cheers to you guys.

05:49:01.260 And we'll do another one when Charlie gets this fact on.

05:49:02.880 Thanks for having us.

05:49:03.440 Yeah.

05:49:04.380 Cheers.

05:49:04.780 To Trump.

05:49:07.240 Cheers, you guys.

05:49:08.860 Cheers.

05:49:09.840 They don't have alcohol for their parents listening at home.

05:49:15.040 I can't wait to hear what he says when he gets there.

05:49:18.740 Is he there?

05:49:19.580 No, he's not.

05:49:20.080 Oh, yeah.

05:49:21.580 Henry.

05:49:21.880 Henry.

05:49:22.200 I want to hear Henry, too, but I meant Donald Trump.

05:49:25.540 Henry, you were right.

05:49:28.380 You were right again.

05:49:30.360 Thank you.

05:49:30.700 Wait a minute.

05:49:31.400 So just how did he do it?

05:49:33.100 How did he do it?

05:49:33.860 Explain that.

05:49:36.740 Well, he did it because he put together the coalition that he needed to put together.

05:49:42.380 He appealed to Republicans.

05:49:43.820 He appealed to working class independence.

05:49:45.500 And he didn't let himself get distracted.

05:49:48.340 One of the things that if you were going to listen to the Washington Insiders, it was,

05:49:52.400 oh, go after all these suburban women. 1.00

05:49:54.800 You can't let them get away from you.

05:49:56.360 And he realized they're not gettable.

05:49:57.620 So instead, he went after black men, Latino men.

05:50:00.800 If you look at where Donald Trump traveled in the last six weeks, he barely went to a suburb.

05:50:06.340 He went to communities Republicans rarely go to because that's where his voters were.

05:50:11.500 And he did the job.

05:50:12.660 He had the message.

05:50:14.280 He went to the places.

05:50:15.760 He ran the issue ads.

05:50:17.600 He talked to his voters, not the voters that the insiders like to get.

05:50:22.540 And it turns out that's the majority of the country.

05:50:24.600 He went on all these podcasts, right?

05:50:28.420 Joe Rogan is the big gorilla for sure.

05:50:31.340 And then Joe Rogan endorsed him last night.

05:50:33.660 And Joe Rogan is extremely powerful, especially with young men who love his show.

05:50:37.860 And it's by far.

05:50:38.900 I mean, like in podcasting, there's Rogan.

05:50:41.580 And then there's the rest of us down.

05:50:42.920 Even those of us are doing well.

05:50:43.880 It's like there's there's only one Rogan.

05:50:45.580 And Theo Vaughn, who else?

05:50:49.340 Sean Ryan, our friend Sean Ryan, who we showed the clip from earlier.

05:50:52.680 J.D. did Rogan.

05:50:54.280 Trump went on like the tour to try to get to young men where they are.

05:50:59.300 Did you guys in the in this studio, did you listen to any of those podcasts?

05:51:02.540 All of them.

05:51:03.580 All of them.

05:51:04.400 All of the guys say they listen to all of them.

05:51:07.660 Henry likes that.

05:51:09.040 Henry's laughing at that.

05:51:10.180 So what when you look at the coalition that came together, is it is it because he got Hispanics 0.55

05:51:16.220 because he got a greater percentage of the black vote?

05:51:19.700 I don't even know if he did get a greater percentage of the black vote than he got last

05:51:22.860 time around, but he certainly got a decent percentage.

05:51:26.340 But the Hispanic vote looks bigger, Henry. 0.93

05:51:28.400 No.

05:51:30.280 Oh, absolutely.

05:51:31.260 And this is the thing is it's not just the exit poll that clearly shows he did better

05:51:35.200 with Hispanics.

05:51:36.600 You take a look at where the Hispanics live and you look at Mexican. 0.98

05:51:40.180 Hispanics in Nevada and Arizona, massive swings. 0.99

05:51:45.040 Puerto Rican Hispanics, massive swings. 1.00

05:51:47.540 Cuban Hispanics, massive swings. 1.00

05:51:49.780 The data support the exit poll.

05:51:51.860 The Latino vote is still majority Democratic, but it is much more Republican than it was.

05:51:59.280 And go back to 2016 when supposedly Donald Trump was going to be the person who was going

05:52:03.840 to lose the Hispanic vote to Republicans forever.

05:52:06.140 Instead, by running the playbook that cares about the working class, not the faux concern 0.65

05:52:12.320 that the Republican establishment wanted to have.

05:52:15.900 He did better than any Republican has, including George W. Bush.

05:52:21.600 Wow.

05:52:22.480 Including George W. Bush in Texas.

05:52:24.740 Donald Trump will carry the Rio Grande Valley, which even George W. Bush could not win in

05:52:30.780 his home state 20 years ago.

05:52:32.520 Oh, my gosh.

05:52:33.500 It's extraordinary.

05:52:35.260 What happened to the girl power? 1.00

05:52:38.120 What happened to the young women who really, really, really want abortion rights through 1.00

05:52:42.500 the ninth month?

05:52:43.080 Well, what it turns out is that a lot of those women will vote for abortion and then vote 1.00

05:52:50.360 for Donald Trump.

05:52:51.820 There's always been a sizable contingent of pro-choice Republicans.

05:52:56.000 And the abortion issue is not the killer that Democrats thought it was in 2022.

05:53:01.860 Well, I mean, it kind of is.

05:53:04.780 It is the killer issue.

05:53:06.420 Sorry.

05:53:06.620 Well, yes, now, yes, it's the killer policy.

05:53:13.100 Yeah.

05:53:13.980 Look, they wanted to believe that Dobbs is what gave them the midterm.

05:53:19.140 It wasn't, but they wanted to believe that.

05:53:21.900 And they wanted to believe that Dobbs is what was going to turn people here.

05:53:26.380 Look, it might have on the margin helped a little bit.

05:53:29.780 It looks like the female vote would be one percent higher than it was before. 0.95

05:53:33.180 But the fact is, that's not what they needed.

05:53:36.720 They needed to get people who weren't prioritizing abortion. 0.96

05:53:40.580 It's much more important for them to keep a 24 point lead with Hispanics than to get an 1.00

05:53:46.080 extra one percent of women out of the suburbs. 1.00

05:53:49.340 They traded the bigger share of the pie for the smaller share of the pie.

05:53:53.800 And Donald Trump was the happy and willing recipient of that gift.

05:53:57.320 You know, it's funny, because even before I went down to Pittsburgh or last night to speak,

05:54:04.920 they definitely were like, you know, they weren't censoring remarks, but they were like

05:54:08.540 really not looking for a big hit on abortion.

05:54:10.760 Like if you're if you're looking for a focus for your remarks, would appreciate if that's

05:54:15.140 not it.

05:54:16.080 And they were getting smarter on message discipline.

05:54:19.100 Like, we're not winning on this issue.

05:54:20.960 We don't want to highlight this issue.

05:54:22.560 And I was like, oh, you know, I have they cut all your ethnic jokes, too.

05:54:26.200 Yeah, you cut up my I had a great one on Puerto Rico.

05:54:29.040 Hey, Puerto Rico.

05:54:31.600 No, they said no.

05:54:34.000 And in any event, they started to get more disciplined and started to understand that

05:54:38.340 this to your point, Henry, even though they've got defenses on this, that they it wasn't

05:54:43.440 worth it.

05:54:43.900 It wasn't a smart campaign strategy.

05:54:45.960 And that that doesn't come from Trump.

05:54:48.200 We know message discipline does not come from Trump.

05:54:50.320 That's his team telling him, sir, as he would say, sir, sir, stop hitting the abortion thing.

05:54:56.840 And to Rich's point earlier, though, to Trump himself did moderate on abortion and understood

05:55:01.080 very early on, we should not be the pro-life far right party on this.

05:55:06.200 This is only only bad things can come from that at this point.

05:55:10.560 Yeah.

05:55:11.100 Look, I was talking to pro-life people before Dobbs and saying you have to be prepared for

05:55:16.000 the fact that is 60 percent or so of Americans want abortion in the first trimester.

05:55:22.040 And what happened was the pro-life movement wasn't prepared.

05:55:24.380 And by the time Donald Trump came around, it had grown to about 66 percent.

05:55:28.840 And Donald Trump recognized I can't win an election by fighting an issue where one third

05:55:35.140 of the people agree with the pro-life side.

05:55:37.060 So we didn't fight that.

05:55:38.020 And what it turns out is that Democrats could not pin him on that issue because he didn't

05:55:43.040 take the extreme pro-life position.

05:55:45.820 And that made him palatable to people who are pro-life but cared more about other issues.

05:55:51.860 And they said, yeah, I mean, pro-choice.

05:55:54.000 They're going to be pro-choice on abortion.

05:55:56.220 And they care about the economy.

05:55:57.960 And they care about the border.

05:55:59.420 And they care about strength.

05:56:00.680 And they voted for Donald Trump because abortion wasn't the issue, except for the Democratic

05:56:05.720 base, which, oh, by the way, Kamala Harris already had. 0.99

05:56:10.000 What do you make of the young people who are voting today, Henry?

05:56:14.460 Because it does not look like a runaway group for Kamala Harris, which is, you know, the young

05:56:20.260 people, they always go Democrat.

05:56:21.540 But like my focus group here in my studio, these boys are saying, no, no.

05:56:27.120 Yeah, they did not.

05:56:28.760 They did not necessarily turn out for her.

05:56:30.620 At least, was there a gender split there? 1.00

05:56:33.380 I haven't looked at the exit polls in a while.

05:56:36.380 I haven't looked at the exit polls on that issue.

05:56:38.820 There may very well have been.

05:56:39.860 But look, the thing to remember about the young generation, it is the most non-white 1.00

05:56:45.020 and the most Latino generation.

05:56:47.320 When people in the Washington world or the New York media world tend to think about whites,

05:56:51.840 they tend to think about, oh, yeah, the college-educated white, just like my kids.

05:56:55.640 No, the typical 18 to 24-year-old is a Latino graduate of a high school.

05:57:03.240 That's why they didn't carry the young vote, because Donald Trump talked to them.

05:57:08.600 And the podcast may have been vehicles to get to them.

05:57:12.440 And that was a brilliant technique.

05:57:13.920 But it's the message, not the medium.

05:57:16.600 And Donald Trump had a message that appealed to the real 18 to 24-year-old voter, which

05:57:22.280 is the Latino worker, the black worker, the Asian worker, the white person who's never 0.93

05:57:28.280 going to go to college or is going to drop out after three months because they find out

05:57:31.840 it's not for them, just like my parents did 60 years ago.

05:57:36.500 That's a majority of this country.

05:57:38.100 It's the non-white population of this country. 0.99

05:57:40.440 Donald Trump and his team understood that, which is something that the media-driven Democratic

05:57:47.280 Party and the woke, progressive-driven Democratic Party not only could not but would not understand.

05:57:54.420 So, Henry, do I understand you to have been saying a little earlier on the suburban vote,

05:58:02.360 had Democrats basically tapped out on suburban women? 1.00

05:58:05.540 So that's why there just weren't more votes to get there?

05:58:12.660 Right.

05:58:13.660 See, the dirty little secret of the campaigns in the last few years is that the reason Donald

05:58:18.840 Trump beat Hillary Clinton was not the woman vote that we've been hearing about for eight

05:58:23.400 years, it was the men.

05:58:26.900 Independent men voted for Trump in 2016.

05:58:30.100 Independent women voted for Hillary. 1.00

05:58:32.340 The reason the Democrats did well in the next few cycles is independent men joined the women.

05:58:37.720 I will guess, without having looked, that the independent men went back to Trump in this

05:58:41.800 election.

05:58:43.300 We got to pull over that ad, the absurd ad, you guys.

05:58:46.140 Do we have it where the wife lies to the husband about who she voted for? 1.00

05:58:52.380 They're going to pull it over.

05:58:54.140 A few things spell out their ineptitude at trying to reach out to new voters, female 1.00

05:58:59.780 or male.

05:59:00.500 I mean, I don't know the woman or the man who found that appealing, but their final message

05:59:05.580 was so desperate.

05:59:06.500 If you look back, you think about it.

05:59:08.860 We were starting to get the pieces, like that Tim Alberta piece in The Atlantic, about how

05:59:14.160 there's terrible infighting on the Trump camp.

05:59:16.660 And maybe there is.

05:59:17.480 These things are always full of palace intrigue, right?

05:59:19.900 Like, oh, this one's pissed that they're not more powerful.

05:59:22.420 They're trying to like there's there's a coup amongst the administrative staff or who's

05:59:26.720 going to be in charge.

05:59:27.360 But I mean, there's no question we're now going to get the pieces on how inside her

05:59:32.360 campaign there was viciousness at every level.

05:59:36.080 Go ahead, Charlie.

05:59:36.580 I was just going to say something I haven't seen anyone comment on is that they tried to

05:59:39.480 have it both ways.

05:59:40.280 So they ran the ads.

05:59:41.360 The message was, if you are a woman, know that the voting booth is private and your 1.00

05:59:46.300 husband can't see.

05:59:47.320 So you can do what you want.

05:59:48.500 But they ran a second message and they really pushed this yesterday and today, which was

05:59:52.900 if you're a man voting, you've got to go and vote as if your wife's looking over your 0.83

05:59:57.100 shoulder.

05:59:57.840 You see this?

05:59:59.620 Well, there was a cartoon with the guy who was voting and his daughter says, who are you

06:00:04.280 voting for?

06:00:04.880 And he says you.

06:00:06.140 And then there was the message that they were pushing out this morning that was go and vote

06:00:10.560 for your mother or your grandmother and your children, your daughter.

06:00:14.680 Well, you can't have both those things.

06:00:16.280 You can't say on the one hand, it's a private vote.

06:00:18.420 It's up to you.

06:00:19.100 Don't be pressured into it.

06:00:20.580 And we're watching you do the right thing by women, right? 1.00

06:00:24.360 It's just crazy.

06:00:25.540 So here is the ad that I found so repulsive.

06:00:29.820 Here it is.

06:00:33.680 Your turn, honey.

06:00:35.320 In the one place in America where women still have a right to choose. 1.00

06:00:41.280 You can vote any way you want.

06:00:46.280 And no one will ever know.

06:00:50.580 Did you make the right choice?

06:00:52.060 Sure did, honey.

06:00:53.340 Remember, what happens in the booth stays in the booth.

06:00:58.180 Julia Roberts with the narration.

06:01:02.800 Oh, that was her.

06:01:03.780 That was her.

06:01:04.600 Of course it was.

06:01:05.260 I didn't realize that.

06:01:06.740 Such a nightmare.

06:01:07.500 And of course, they depict the Republican guy as some gross, forgive me, actor who played

06:01:13.560 a Republican man.

06:01:14.560 Don't go away, Henry.

06:01:15.740 You're part of our panel now.

06:01:17.400 As some gross, unattractive, weird.

06:01:21.420 Oh, nice.

06:01:22.440 Champagne.

06:01:22.960 Abigail Finan and Steve Krakauer, everybody.

06:01:24.920 The EP of the Megyn Kelly show.

06:01:26.520 Yay.

06:01:26.700 Let's hear it for Steve.

06:01:27.800 Yay.

06:01:28.460 Yay.

06:01:29.160 Yay.

06:01:30.040 Oh, yeah.

06:01:32.060 You guys, too.

06:01:32.920 You should have some.

06:01:33.660 Yeah, you need to have some, Steve.

06:01:34.960 As the gross, disgusting ogre, right?

06:01:39.980 Who's not only unattractive, again, forgive me, actor, but who's controlling and threatening.

06:01:46.900 Looks, excuse my language, kind of like a pedophile, right?

06:01:51.160 Yeah.

06:01:51.400 Forgive us, actor man.

06:01:52.660 This is that.

06:01:53.220 The other thing that is so offensive about that ad is we have known for decades that women

06:01:59.600 run American households.

06:02:01.340 Women decide where the kids go to school, what kind of car you buy, where you live, major 1.00

06:02:07.740 purchases.

06:02:08.440 So the idea that we're now somehow retrograde in our voting choices for what would be the

06:02:14.660 first female president is so offensive. 0.67

06:02:17.980 And it just speaks to how schizophrenic, undisciplined, and desperate this campaign began, or became,

06:02:24.960 rather, in its later days.

06:02:26.220 Well, no, I just, it's funny.

06:02:27.220 My wife has said the same thing to me twice now.

06:02:29.600 She said it in 2016, and she said it with this election.

06:02:32.580 She said, I would love to have a female president, just not that one. 1.00

06:02:35.960 Same.

06:02:36.400 And it's just so bizarre to me that that gets interpreted as internalized misogyny or whatever

06:02:41.180 nonsense they speak.

06:02:41.640 Oh, I'm sick of that bullshit.

06:02:42.760 She just didn't want either of those people.

06:02:45.880 You kind of wish, just for the sake of putting the misogyny thing to bed, that they'd come

06:02:51.320 up with a decent female candidate. 1.00

06:02:52.700 We got Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, both of whom had the same flaws. 1.00

06:02:56.540 I mean, in this respect, Trump got very lucky.

06:02:59.060 I mean, he did.

06:03:00.240 He ran against two of the least popular figures in the Democrat Party that he could.

06:03:04.160 And I have to say, we talked a little bit about Barack Obama earlier.

06:03:07.240 Look, the liquor's just piling up on you.

06:03:09.060 Now we've got the champagne.

06:03:10.560 We've got the beer.

06:03:11.880 We've got a gin and tonic.

06:03:12.680 We've got two martinis.

06:03:13.740 We're having a good time.

06:03:14.860 Thank God, Henry.

06:03:15.620 Do you have a drink?

06:03:19.060 Unfortunately not.

06:03:19.860 I'm back in my hotel room and they don't have alcohol here.

06:03:23.300 Could you just call down and have them bring up a gummy or something?

06:03:26.700 We are awaiting President Trump, both the 45th and soon to be the 47th president of the

06:03:33.780 United States.

06:03:35.140 He did it.

06:03:36.400 The greatest political comeback of all time.

06:03:41.580 I can't wait to hear what he has to say.

06:03:43.420 I can't wait to hear his framing of it and to see his face and to hear his voice and to

06:03:48.820 check his mood and whether he's feeling the jubilation that his supporters are.

06:03:53.160 Everybody works so hard for him.

06:03:56.320 What was I saying?

06:03:57.400 I don't remember.

06:03:58.140 I have a question for Henry.

06:03:59.660 Yeah, Charlie, jump on in there. 1.00

06:04:00.940 So Henry, what did cause the lack of a red wave in the midterms?

06:04:06.320 You said Dobbs was sort of at the edge, but wasn't the main part of it.

06:04:10.380 I think I've assumed it was more of more of it than you implied.

06:04:17.820 I didn't see a whole lot of proof that abortion really moved voters, that Dobbs really moved

06:04:23.840 voters.

06:04:24.180 I think what it was, was they weren't willing to take the jump that Biden convinced them

06:04:32.200 to give him two more years to fix it.

06:04:35.560 And what you had was a series of candidates that were running for high profile officers

06:04:42.540 who frankly weren't ready for prime time.

06:04:45.500 And so between the bizarre candidates or the not ready for prime time candidates and a bunch

06:04:52.320 of people who have historically been Democrats who thought, I'm not ready to take the jump

06:04:58.560 yet.

06:04:59.380 You know, in 2022, the biggest thing was the 10% of people who somewhat disapproved of

06:05:06.660 Biden, that historically in midterms, those always voted for the out party by at least

06:05:11.640 20 points.

06:05:12.600 In 2022, they voted for the Democrats by four points.

06:05:16.840 You switch those votes and we were talking about a red, we'd have the red wave that we

06:05:23.140 thought we were going to get.

06:05:25.100 And I think what it was, was people right at the end who were traditionally Democrats or

06:05:28.440 not leaning Republicans said, I'm going to give them another chance.

06:05:31.380 And they had two years, they blew the chance.

06:05:33.980 And the Latino wave that many thought would happen in 2022 happened tonight. 0.99

06:05:38.620 The black small, but real movement that we thought was going to happen in 2022 happened 1.00

06:05:43.380 tonight.

06:05:44.540 And the fact is they could talk to their old constituency, the suburban women who might

06:05:50.580 have liked Romney, but aren't really with the movement in a conservative populist way.

06:05:57.100 But guess what?

06:05:57.960 They already had them.

06:05:59.780 And so the people who actually gave them the victory in 2022, they drove away by actually

06:06:05.040 not understanding why they won them.

06:06:06.520 They continue to talk about the things that never, that they never cared about.

06:06:10.840 And I suspect we'll find that the trans issue really mattered, that on the margin, these

06:06:15.140 people may not be religious in the sense that they're going to church, but they're culturally

06:06:19.460 not progressive.

06:06:20.440 And the idea of transitioning kids is gross to them. 0.96

06:06:24.120 Right on.

06:06:24.840 It's abusive.

06:06:26.320 It's disgusting.

06:06:27.460 It should be criminal.

06:06:28.960 I want to give a shout out to Pennsylvania.

06:06:31.520 NBC News finally calls Pennsylvania for Trump.

06:06:34.660 CNN finally calls Pennsylvania for Trump.

06:06:37.320 Trump won Pennsylvania.

06:06:39.980 The state of the election is Trump's and well beyond.

06:06:44.940 I mean, I've lost track now of the numbers.

06:06:47.060 It's the martini, but I deserve it.

06:06:49.320 I'm not sorry.

06:06:50.800 But can I just say I'm so grateful to those to those hard hat wearing guys who showed up

06:06:56.700 at that Trump rally in Pittsburgh.

06:06:58.060 Pittsburgh, you did this.

06:07:00.560 It's the it's the working class of America, the forgotten men of America who brought this 0.99

06:07:06.780 election home.

06:07:08.040 Screw you, JLo and Beyonce and all you bitches who will never have to live with the consequences 1.00

06:07:14.020 of your stupid ass decision. 0.97

06:07:15.820 The these guys who showed up and stood there for hours to see Trump in their hard hats with

06:07:22.700 their bellies and their tats and their muscles and their beards.

06:07:27.040 That's America.

06:07:28.580 Those are our guys.

06:07:30.480 You know, whether these guys here in the studio, they go to a lovely private school and they're

06:07:34.400 going to go on to some of the best colleges in the nation.

06:07:37.260 And these guys have a solidarity with those guys, you know, a commonality, a common mission,

06:07:43.940 a common understanding of what matters in America and what would get you to stand in a

06:07:48.180 four hour line to vote for one guy.

06:07:51.380 And Trump gets that.

06:07:53.220 That's one of the greatnesses of Trump.

06:07:55.100 He gets it.

06:07:55.980 He understood those guys.

06:07:57.140 He understands you guys.

06:07:58.340 He's this weird combo of like kind of elite, born with a silver spoon, but also working

06:08:04.040 like connection with a working man because he grew up in New York City construction.

06:08:07.940 He dealt with these guys his entire life.

06:08:10.340 And he's a New Yorker.

06:08:12.500 You know, like that's part of Trump's crassness, really.

06:08:15.580 And frankly, mine, too.

06:08:16.860 Like, you know, we're New Yorkers.

06:08:19.800 It's complicated.

06:08:20.740 Anyway, what was I saying?

06:08:22.180 Keep going.

06:08:25.920 I don't do a lot of drinking on the air and it's really late.

06:08:29.960 Anyway, we're still waiting on official Senate calls.

06:08:33.640 We're still waiting on the House.

06:08:35.180 We actually don't officially know.

06:08:36.740 I mean, yes, the Senate has been projected for Republicans, but not the House.

06:08:41.520 God forbid the Democrats do win the House.

06:08:46.040 It's going to be a very tumultuous couple of years.

06:08:48.920 I mean, I don't think that's going to happen.

06:08:50.000 Does anyone think that?

06:08:50.800 Henry, do you think that's going to happen?

06:08:54.260 Yeah, the House is going to take longer to call, mainly because of California.

06:08:57.940 You know, there's five targeted seats out there and it's going to take a long time,

06:09:01.840 weeks for them to count those votes.

06:09:03.500 I think that the Republicans will hold the House.

06:09:06.880 Donald Trump is on the verge of winning the popular vote.

06:09:10.280 I think that what you're going to see is the Republicans hold the House and probably

06:09:13.820 gain a couple of seats.

06:09:15.000 I stick by what I said in my prediction.

06:09:16.540 If Donald Trump wins the popular vote or Harris wins by a point or so, that the Republicans

06:09:23.300 gain a couple of seats, you know, three to seven seats on the 221 that they came into

06:09:29.020 the election with.

06:09:29.920 It's just going to take a couple of weeks for us to get there.

06:09:32.040 Like, practically, physically, why does it take three, four weeks to count votes in California

06:09:39.820 when it doesn't in other places?

06:09:42.000 Charles is mad.

06:09:42.960 No, I just never understood this.

06:09:44.840 People say it as if it's a fact of the universe, but I've never understood why.

06:09:47.840 It makes no sense.

06:09:51.280 They don't staff up properly.

06:09:53.340 They don't move quickly.

06:09:55.160 You know, Arizona can count votes in four days.

06:09:58.340 Utah can count votes in five days.

06:10:00.340 You know, Washington can do it.

06:10:02.200 Why California takes three weeks pretty uniformly up and down the state is simply mind boggling.

06:10:08.180 But there's no reason to do it other than that from the top down.

06:10:12.420 They encourage lassitude, sloth, and incompetence.

06:10:17.280 All right, wait, can I just say one other thing?

06:10:19.220 I just want to say, I forgot to finish my point.

06:10:21.600 I'm tired and I'm also drinking.

06:10:24.200 But I want to say, this is to continue my remarks to the people who feel sad about Trump getting

06:10:29.340 elected.

06:10:29.700 I want you to know this.

06:10:32.020 A couple of other points.

06:10:34.000 The trans insanity is going to get under control under Donald Trump. 0.98

06:10:37.540 I can't say end because there are still institutions that have been captured.

06:10:41.560 But it is going to get under control under Donald Trump.

06:10:44.600 And number one is Title IX.

06:10:47.060 Title IX was what led me, Biden's changes to it, for the first time in my entire journalism

06:10:54.160 career to say who I was going to vote for for president.

06:10:56.860 That was the day I crossed that imaginary line.

06:10:59.640 And the next imaginary line was crossed when I decided to speak at a Trump rally, which my

06:11:03.700 friend Rich Lowry said, you should do it, which I really appreciated.

06:11:07.220 Because we talked about it.

06:11:07.980 It was like, well, this is a new line, you know, and he said, you should do it.

06:11:10.560 And I did it, and I'm not sorry, and I'm actually really happy now.

06:11:13.780 But anyway, Title IX was rewritten by Biden, Harris, and it not only allowed boys into

06:11:21.260 girls' sports, I mean, up and down the line, it's K through 12, K through college, not

06:11:26.140 K through 12, up and down the line, allowing boys into girls' sports, but mandating that 0.54

06:11:30.860 they be allowed, mandating that they be allowed in girls' spaces, bathrooms, and locker rooms. 1.00

06:11:34.680 They've been slowly eroding girls' rights and parents' rights to object to it by saying

06:11:39.400 you can't use your, the actual pronouns.

06:11:42.540 You have to, you must use preferred pronouns, or you violated human rights laws.

06:11:46.280 Biden and Harris has been doing all of this, trying to erode our, those laws won't stand

06:11:49.620 up.

06:11:49.940 They may not mandate speech.

06:11:51.400 That is totally contrary to the First Amendment.

06:11:54.080 But that's going to be all undone now.

06:11:55.940 And by the way, for you boys sitting here, you're going to go off to college.

06:11:58.980 Raise your hand if you're a senior.

06:12:00.000 Okay, so we've got two out of the five.

06:12:02.800 We had like 12, 13.

06:12:05.040 Two out of the five are seniors.

06:12:06.160 When you go off to college next year, I'm sorry to take the room down.

06:12:09.400 But under the Biden-Harris administration, Title IX has been changed so that if you hook

06:12:13.740 up with a girl and God forbid something happens where she decides she wants to accuse you of 0.69

06:12:18.560 some improper behavior, you have no due process rights thanks to Biden-Harris.

06:12:22.360 You're done.

06:12:23.280 You are completely effed if a girl just makes an accusation, which is going to lead you to 1.00

06:12:27.780 be like scared, dare I say squirrels, on campus, you're going to be terrified.

06:12:34.520 Yeah, it's one of the ironies, right, that the supposed fascist, it was his administration

06:12:38.020 that restored due process rights.

06:12:40.380 Just basic due process.

06:12:41.360 Right.

06:12:41.560 And the Biden folks-

06:12:44.300 Undid it again.

06:12:44.880 Undid it, yeah.

06:12:45.500 But breaking news on my Ring app, where neighbors can say weird stuff that's going on.

06:12:51.080 Someone just put a message on there 10 minutes ago.

06:12:54.260 Does anyone hear loud bangs?

06:12:55.680 It sounds like fireworks somewhere in the neighborhood.

06:12:58.700 So this is someone who's obviously not politically plugged in that didn't realize, someone realized,

06:13:03.180 you know, folks realized that Trump just won and probably like these guys right here are

06:13:06.040 setting off, setting off fireworks.

06:13:07.580 That's what they'll do when they'll leave the studio here.

06:13:09.740 You guys will remember this.

06:13:10.860 Like I remember seven, 1976 as a kid.

06:13:14.260 You were not born.

06:13:15.300 I wasn't.

06:13:15.860 You were with me, right?

06:13:17.740 Do you remember 17 or 1976?

06:13:19.500 I don't really remember 76.

06:13:21.260 80 is more my-

06:13:22.380 You don't remember 17?

06:13:23.160 I keep saying you're 17.

06:13:24.700 I'm not 200 years old.

06:13:26.220 In 1976, we had the bicentennial.

06:13:31.160 And we went outside and we banged pots and pansies.

06:13:32.980 Did you not do that in Virginia?

06:13:34.280 I remember the bicentennial.

06:13:35.100 My first political memory, by the way, is Nixon resigning.

06:13:38.220 I remember a neighbor coming and either telling me I should go inside and watch the resignation

06:13:42.700 or watch Ford getting inaugurated.

06:13:44.140 My brother had that same thing.

06:13:45.920 This is a small thing, but-

06:13:48.060 Are you referring to your gin and tonic?

06:13:49.360 No, it wasn't a small thing when I started it, but it's a small thing now, having drunk

06:13:54.300 most of it.

06:13:54.760 No, the 250th anniversary of the United States is in two years.

06:14:01.440 And one of the questions was, who would be president?

06:14:03.280 So I guess now we know the answer.

06:14:04.800 Wow.

06:14:05.380 Yeah.

06:14:05.800 Yeah, exactly right.

06:14:07.360 I'm thrilled about that.

06:14:08.460 Yeah, I remember, I mean, as a little girl, I was five and my parents bring me outside and

06:14:12.460 we were banging the pots and pans and it was like, I didn't totally appreciate it.

06:14:15.260 But now I get, and my brother remembers, he's five years older than I am, my nana sitting

06:14:20.760 in front of the TV for Nixon resignation and for the moon landing.

06:14:25.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:14:26.340 Huge.

06:14:26.980 You need to watch this.

06:14:27.840 Yeah, yeah.

06:14:28.360 I wasn't around yet.

06:14:29.460 Yeah.

06:14:29.780 That's when you can really have collective events in the way you don't so much now.

06:14:34.080 Occasionally you do.

06:14:34.560 What was the last big one where we all watched?

06:14:36.900 Say again, Steve, is he there?

06:14:38.280 Is he coming out?

06:14:39.880 No, not yet.

06:14:42.040 It's a Super Bowl.

06:14:42.660 No, um, what is it?

06:14:45.100 This is like the Super Bowl.

06:14:46.380 Yeah.

06:14:46.540 I'll see anything.

06:14:47.400 I don't know, Henry.

06:14:48.540 What do you remember?

06:14:49.280 What's, what was your big childhood event?

06:14:50.840 Did you, did your parents make you watch the moon landing?

06:14:54.780 Me?

06:14:55.880 Yeah.

06:14:56.480 It didn't have to make me.

06:14:57.520 I followed it religiously.

06:14:59.060 I was like crazy about the space program.

06:15:01.600 You know, uh, you know, I, I, I named my teddy bear after Frank Borman, the head, uh, astronaut

06:15:07.760 on the Apollo 8th mission.

06:15:10.300 I'm a little older than you are, Megan.

06:15:11.520 I'm going to begin to really get to know him.

06:15:14.820 This is so unbranded.

06:15:17.800 All right, Henry, let me ask you a question as we await, await President Trump.

06:15:21.260 How did you get it so right?

06:15:23.920 And all these other pollsters got it so wrong.

06:15:27.620 Um, I watch, I listen to the data.

06:15:33.220 I mean, uh, Rich and, um, Charlie know who I am, know what I do.

06:15:38.480 Uh, you know, Rich was very kind enough to print my, uh, my predictions from 2010 through

06:15:42.840 2018.

06:15:44.420 Um, I pay a lot of attention to data.

06:15:47.100 You know, other people watch, uh, Yellowstone.

06:15:49.320 I'm looking at precinct data and polling data and, um, I follow it.

06:15:53.120 I don't let my prejudices get in the way.

06:15:55.740 That's all it takes.

06:15:57.400 That, I feel like that describes so much of like, even my own journalism career.

06:16:02.160 Like when they sent me down to cover the UVA there, the Duke lacrosse case.

06:16:06.380 So where the story takes you just keep an open mind.

06:16:08.720 That's what Brit Hume said.

06:16:09.460 If you, if you keep an open mind and that's what, when I read that Ann Seltzer poll, I

06:16:13.200 don't know her at all.

06:16:13.880 I don't mean to disparage her, but I thought my, my gut tells me this is a woman with an

06:16:17.720 agenda who cannot envision Donald Trump winning again.

06:16:20.880 And the abortion thing is very important to a lot of women. 1.00

06:16:23.280 And she magically saw a bunch of older woman, women who are going to come out of the woodwork 1.00

06:16:27.440 to say, no, I mean, older women, like all the, even the intimations had been, it'll 0.92

06:16:32.620 be younger women who speak on this, but she's a little older. 0.99

06:16:35.740 And like, that's what happens, Henry, right?

06:16:38.800 People inadvertently or advertently let their biases get in their way.

06:16:46.080 Yes.

06:16:46.600 And it's not just a left thing.

06:16:49.400 Sorry, keep going.

06:16:50.480 It's, it's, it's the, it's something that you just have to control for.

06:16:55.720 And it is so easy, you know, like in the Romney campaign, uh, I don't know, you know, whether

06:17:00.320 you were getting spun by the insiders, but a lot of people were, and they said, Romney's

06:17:04.160 going to win by five points.

06:17:05.440 He's going to win.

06:17:06.060 I knew Romney was not going to win.

06:17:07.300 And they, okay, well, you and I were, you know, I, Rich published my prediction in the

06:17:13.520 pages of national review that said Romney's not going to win.

06:17:16.080 And I was accused of spreading fear porn.

06:17:18.400 Um, and I only missed one state, the closest state, Florida, because the data were there,

06:17:23.060 but the Romney people let their biases affect their interpretation.

06:17:29.680 And they thought they were going to win.

06:17:31.380 And they told everybody that.

06:17:32.380 The Seltzer poll, as, as Henry, I think was mentioning, um, uh, a while ago, maybe a bad

06:17:37.800 sample, right?

06:17:38.880 So maybe she's not guilty, but the way the media picked up on it and ran with it and wanted

06:17:44.360 to make this a reality was the real disgrace there.

06:17:47.700 Yeah.

06:17:47.880 And if you look at the choices that were made in media coverage in the last three days,

06:17:52.400 there was almost nothing on the jobs report.

06:17:56.860 Nothing.

06:17:57.400 Oh yeah.

06:17:57.880 Right.

06:17:58.320 12,000, 10 times lower than expected.

06:18:01.320 Right.

06:18:01.760 And that's really important.

06:18:03.740 And if it had been the other way around, if the incumbent had been a Republican, that

06:18:07.720 would have been a five alarm fire.

06:18:09.460 Yeah, that's right.

06:18:10.400 And they do the same with polling.

06:18:12.200 Right.

06:18:12.320 And the fake, we haven't talked about the mystery apostrophe either.

06:18:15.160 And the mystery apostrophe people really should have been on the Dem side and apostrophe for,

06:18:21.460 for Halloween.

06:18:22.360 Yeah.

06:18:23.360 I went as a trash bag.

06:18:24.520 The one person in the Biden-Harris operation that has integrity is the White House stenographer,

06:18:29.340 right?

06:18:29.600 God bless that person or their boss.

06:18:31.580 I don't know.

06:18:31.860 One of them decided to leak that story.

06:18:33.920 It was clearly from them.

06:18:36.300 It was amazing to watch.

06:18:37.640 All right.

06:18:37.800 Now, wait a minute.

06:18:38.520 I want to show you something extraordinary.

06:18:40.220 Look at this picture.

06:18:40.960 If you're not listening, if you're not watching his show, go to youtube.com slash Megan Kelly

06:18:44.200 and watch it.

06:18:45.240 Look at this picture.

06:18:47.380 Trump tweeted it out.

06:18:48.220 I'm saying, yeah, you guys can come around.

06:18:49.180 You can look at it.

06:18:49.860 Look at this.

06:18:50.520 Come around.

06:18:50.740 Come around.

06:18:51.200 It's another Hopper painting.

06:18:52.460 It's Trump.

06:18:53.160 Um, Eric Trump tweeted it and it just reads 47.

06:18:57.440 It's Donald Trump reading something in front of, see, Charlie knows culture.

06:19:02.540 He's, he's British by birth.

06:19:04.020 He's now an American citizen.

06:19:05.160 What, what's your reference?

06:19:06.540 That's a Hopper painting.

06:19:07.620 Another one.

06:19:08.700 Look at it.

06:19:09.380 What's another?

06:19:09.900 What was the first one?

06:19:11.100 The McDonald's moment.

06:19:13.040 Oh, oh, oh, okay.

06:19:14.080 Okay.

06:19:14.400 Now I got it.

06:19:14.940 Oh, you're saying it could be a Hopper painting.

06:19:16.380 Got it.

06:19:16.840 Got it.

06:19:17.080 Well, it's not a literal one.

06:19:18.040 I imagine, but yeah.

06:19:20.500 Um, look at that.

06:19:21.780 Trump lit up in front of a mirror reading something, maybe results.

06:19:28.320 I have to look at so speech.

06:19:30.300 What do you think?

06:19:30.840 You love it?

06:19:31.700 I love it.

06:19:32.860 It's a speech.

06:19:34.380 Yeah.

06:19:36.100 This guy's been, oh, that's sweet.

06:19:38.260 It's beautiful.

06:19:39.320 Say our boys.

06:19:40.140 Um, you love that.

06:19:45.540 Which would you rather have a signed copy of that one or the one of him in the McDonald's?

06:19:49.700 It's got to be a fist.

06:19:50.240 Oh, the fist.

06:19:51.140 Oh, the fist.

06:19:52.220 The McDonald's.

06:19:52.880 You take the McDonald's.

06:19:54.080 How about, would anybody take garbage?

06:19:56.240 That's pretty good.

06:19:56.780 No, and no takers for garbage.

06:19:58.380 No.

06:19:59.000 Yeah.

06:19:59.320 McDonald's was the bomb.

06:20:00.560 You guys ever worked at McDonald's?

06:20:02.620 No.

06:20:03.120 It's a no.

06:20:03.600 I worked at McDonald's for two years.

06:20:06.000 Oh, I heard that on the editors.

06:20:07.680 You know all the fries.

06:20:09.060 You know everything.

06:20:09.380 I know everything.

06:20:10.140 I did every job there, but they eventually put me on the window because I was gregarious.

06:20:13.900 But yeah, I worked there for two years.

06:20:16.400 What led to the end?

06:20:18.020 Of McDonald's.

06:20:19.000 Oh, I decided to go.

06:20:19.980 I decided to go back to school.

06:20:21.420 I left school because I hated school.

06:20:24.280 What?

06:20:24.580 I thought you went to Cambridge or Oxford.

06:20:26.060 Oxford, I did.

06:20:26.920 But I left school school, not college.

06:20:29.680 I left high school.

06:20:30.620 Oh.

06:20:31.340 Don't do this.

06:20:32.340 But I walked out.

06:20:34.420 Yeah, I got really annoyed when I was 50 and I didn't go for two years.

06:20:37.120 What?

06:20:37.700 Yeah, I went to McDonald's instead.

06:20:38.800 And then I decided I wanted to do something else.

06:20:40.880 Wait a minute.

06:20:41.520 I never put this together.

06:20:42.980 In between high school and college, you took two years off to work at McDonald's?

06:20:47.280 And then you went to Oxford?

06:20:48.520 Correct.

06:20:49.040 So let's go deeper like we do with Henry.

06:20:50.760 What did you name your teddy bear?

06:20:52.680 Like we do with Henry.

06:20:57.720 It wasn't after McDonald's.

06:21:00.020 Yeah, I did.

06:21:02.520 How did you get into Oxford from McDonald's?

06:21:05.920 It was an odd application.

06:21:08.880 And I went back to school for a year and did well.

06:21:13.360 But I had to catch up.

06:21:14.240 You see, boys, if it doesn't work out for you on your college applications, then you're good.

06:21:19.480 Yeah.

06:21:19.600 So can I tell you, so our sons go to the same school.

06:21:24.080 I never say we go to school because I don't want weird freaks to come find my children.

06:21:28.940 But the day that that Fields in Ethical Culture put out that memo saying you can have the day off if you're upset over whomever may win.

06:21:39.060 P.S. It's Trump.

06:21:41.640 Our school put out a memo.

06:21:43.400 Our head of school put out the greatest memo, which was basically, I'll summarize.

06:21:48.620 You'll go to school.

06:21:49.800 You won't share your politics with the children.

06:21:51.840 You'll take that out in your personal life.

06:21:53.840 Thanks.

06:21:55.040 That's it.

06:21:55.680 That's all that's required, right?

06:21:57.460 Isn't it so great to be at a school that doesn't push its politics on you?

06:22:01.080 Right?

06:22:02.380 I just like we fled these New York City schools because we were getting exactly the opposite.

06:22:06.640 It's just wonderful to be at a place that does not do that crap.

06:22:09.600 But you mark my words tomorrow.

06:22:11.320 The next day, we're going to have stories of teachers breaking down, Hitler won. 0.98

06:22:19.220 And serious protests and maybe some violence.

06:22:22.500 Well, don't you think Antifa and George Soros are making a lot of calls right now?

06:22:25.740 What do you think is going to happen there?

06:22:27.880 I mean, Washington, D.C. has been boarded up for a reason, right?

06:22:30.540 There are big protests in 16 after he won the election.

06:22:36.080 So I'd expect the same this time, wouldn't you?

06:22:38.620 Yes.

06:22:39.460 How are you doing, Abigail?

06:22:40.240 Fine.

06:22:40.760 Are we going to open that or stare at it?

06:22:42.440 Yeah.

06:22:42.780 Are you going to open it?

06:22:43.680 Come on.

06:22:44.160 Why don't you show the people who you are?

06:22:45.680 Steve.

06:22:46.220 Hi.

06:22:47.840 Show them who you are.

06:22:48.840 Show them your face.

06:22:49.400 No.

06:22:49.580 Can you buy a camera angle?

06:22:50.720 I don't have good hair right now.

06:22:53.360 She's worried about our camera.

06:22:54.620 I said Steve about opening that, so I was like, I don't drink.

06:22:56.480 You should be opening that.

06:22:57.260 Somebody should open that.

06:22:58.620 One of you guys.

06:22:59.400 I said to Steve.

06:22:59.900 One of you guys should open that.

06:23:00.940 Say again. 0.87

06:23:01.380 Say again, Steve Kerkauer.

06:23:03.660 I did it.

06:23:04.660 Well done.

06:23:05.340 Oh, it's a clip?

06:23:07.440 Look at her go. 0.99

06:23:08.600 So Abigail doesn't drink, but can I tell you, it's a brave move for her to be out here with

06:23:14.240 you, Charlie Cook.

06:23:15.100 Do you want to tell him why?

06:23:16.960 Why?

06:23:17.460 I don't know.

06:23:18.460 Because he's the same age as you are.

06:23:20.980 Oh.

06:23:21.600 Oh, I don't even want to talk about that.

06:23:23.200 I try to black that out.

06:23:25.240 38.

06:23:25.560 But I have done like a 500th of what you have done with your life, and it's very depressing.

06:23:31.780 She's upset with your brilliant commentary because you're the same age.

06:23:36.400 It makes me so angry.

06:23:38.460 Oh, good.

06:23:39.080 Because you're like so smart, and I'm like, well, it's average at best.

06:23:41.820 No, you're brilliant.

06:23:42.540 It's average at best.

06:23:43.180 No, not true.

06:23:44.340 But Abigail Finney. 0.52

06:23:45.180 Am I in danger right now?

06:23:46.200 Have you got a knife in your hand?

06:23:47.420 No.

06:23:48.060 My wife's very sweet. 0.93

06:23:49.200 Yeah?

06:23:49.520 She's very sweet.

06:23:50.300 She's Minnesota nice. 0.55

06:23:51.500 But Abigail Finney could get a marching band to your house for 4th of July. 1.00

06:23:54.580 Oh.

06:23:55.540 And not, you couldn't do that.

06:23:57.140 No.

06:23:57.540 No.

06:23:57.760 Everybody has their incredible skills.

06:24:00.440 We're the same age, and it's just so sad.

06:24:02.700 Okay.

06:24:03.440 Now, Steve Krakauer.

06:24:04.520 Well, cheers to you.

06:24:05.360 Yeah, cheers to you.

06:24:06.560 There's another round of drinks.

06:24:07.880 Cheers.

06:24:08.460 That'll help your polls, Maureen.

06:24:09.840 Yes, it will.

06:24:10.740 Cheers, guys.

06:24:12.180 Cheers.

06:24:13.060 Cheers.

06:24:13.160 Are you feeling any sort of happiness, even though you don't like Trump?

06:24:15.560 I don't like Trump, but I really hate her.

06:24:19.280 So I said at the beginning, one of them's going to lose.

06:24:21.480 I'll feel good about that.

06:24:22.440 And I think we're headed for 53, maybe 55 Senate seats, and that's enormous.

06:24:30.220 That was what I really wanted.

06:24:32.160 That's worth toasting.

06:24:32.960 Also, Florida, as I said, Amendment 4 went down, Amendment 3 went down.

06:24:37.080 Massive sweep in the state legislature.

06:24:39.320 This is, yeah, I'm happy.

06:24:40.800 All right.

06:24:41.340 I'm going to let Henry go, but first I've got to ask you this, Henry.

06:24:44.120 What is the message to the pollsters of America?

06:24:49.220 Quickly.

06:24:49.620 Oh, let's be honest.

06:24:50.140 Oh, because Trump's coming.

06:24:50.820 Most of the pollsters got it right.

06:24:55.000 The ones that didn't, I would say, re-examine your assumptions.

06:24:58.960 The country obviously had moved to the right.

06:25:01.500 This is the first presidential election since the Great Depression.

06:25:05.440 Oh, I got to go.

06:25:05.760 Where the Republican Party has the plurality support.

06:25:09.220 Henry Olsen, you're amazing.

06:25:11.040 Thank you so much.

06:25:12.080 You've been terrific.

06:25:13.560 And now, the president.

06:25:15.280 Well, thank you for having me on.

06:25:15.960 Former President Donald Trump, President-elect Donald Trump, with his beautiful wife, Melania,

06:25:23.400 his giant son, Barron, and all of the Trump children who have been with him every step

06:25:31.220 of the way.

06:25:32.140 Let's watch.

06:25:32.860 Wow.

06:25:34.860 Wow.

06:25:36.860 God bless the USA.

06:25:40.860 Wow.

06:25:41.860 God bless the USA.

06:25:44.860 From the leagues of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee, across the plains of Texas,

06:26:07.120 on the sea to shining sea, from Detroit down to Houston.

06:26:12.860 The song by Lee Greenwood, which he uses at every rally, used at the RNC.

06:26:19.860 They played at My Citizenship Ceremony.

06:26:20.860 They played at My Citizenship Ceremony.

06:26:22.860 And they played a video.

06:26:24.860 Clearly means a lot to him.

06:26:28.860 Eric Trump, such a great guy.

06:26:30.860 So loyal to his dad, running the Trump Organization, which has also been targeted.

06:26:34.860 The man who died, who gave that right to me.

06:26:38.860 Kai Trump, Trump's granddaughter, who spoke at the RNC.

06:26:42.860 And defend her still today.

06:26:44.860 But you're being through the night.

06:26:46.860 Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House.

06:26:50.860 God bless the USA.

06:26:53.860 Henry Greenwood, who know what we're making?

06:26:57.860 sprseelee.

06:26:58.860 Wow.

06:26:59.860 What must he be feeling right now?

06:27:00.860 JD Vance, the next Vice President, and Ivanka.

06:27:02.860 I love how I can

06:27:04.920 And I know I'm free

06:27:06.680 And I won't forget

06:27:09.100 The men who died

06:27:10.860 Who gave that right to me

06:27:13.460 And I gladly stand up

06:27:16.480 Next to you

06:27:18.540 And remember still today

06:27:21.180 Cause there ain't no doubt

06:27:23.860 I love this land

06:27:26.760 God bless the USA

06:27:34.920 Cheers

06:27:38.360 Thank you very much

06:27:42.520 Wow

06:27:42.940 USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

06:27:51.700 Well, I want to thank you all very much

06:27:53.940 This is great

06:27:54.640 These are our friends

06:27:55.640 We have thousands of friends

06:27:57.080 On this incredible movement

06:28:00.520 This was a movement

06:28:02.460 Like nobody's ever seen before

06:28:04.360 And

06:28:06.840 Frankly, this was, I believe

06:28:10.960 The greatest

06:28:11.780 Political movement

06:28:14.000 Of all time

06:28:15.240 There's never been anything like this

06:28:16.700 In this country

06:28:17.420 And maybe beyond

06:28:18.400 And now it's going to reach

06:28:22.240 A new level of importance

06:28:23.880 Because we're going to

06:28:25.640 Help our country heal

06:28:28.960 We're going to help our country heal

06:28:30.440 We have a country that

06:28:31.440 Needs help

06:28:32.920 And it needs help very badly

06:28:35.920 We're going to fix our borders 1.00

06:28:37.760 We're going to fix everything

06:28:39.240 About our country

06:28:40.320 And we made history for a reason tonight

06:28:44.400 And the reason is going to be just that

06:28:46.920 We overcame obstacles that nobody thought possible

06:28:50.400 And it is now clear that we've achieved the most incredible political thing

06:28:56.560 Look what happened

06:28:57.560 Is this crazy

06:28:58.560 But it's a political victory that our country has never seen before

06:29:09.560 Nothing like this

06:29:10.040 I want to thank the American people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your 47th president and your 45th president

06:29:16.040 And every citizen I will fight for you for your family and your future every single day I will be fighting for you and with every breath in my body I will not rest until we have delivered the strong safe and prosperous America that our children deserve and that

06:29:46.020 You deserve this will truly be the golden age of America that's what we have to have

06:29:53.020 This is a magnificent victory for the American people that will allow us to make America great again

06:30:05.020 And in addition to having won the battleground states of North Carolina I love these

06:30:15.980 Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin

06:30:22.980 We are now winning in Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Alaska

06:30:27.980 Which would result in us carrying at least 315 electoral votes

06:30:34.980 But it's much easier doing what the networks did or whoever called it

06:30:44.980 Because there is no other path

06:30:45.980 Because there was no other path

06:30:46.980 There was no other path

06:30:48.980 There was no other path to victory

06:30:49.980 We also have won the popular vote

06:30:51.980 That was great

06:30:53.980 U.S.A.�.ua

06:30:54.980 Thank you

06:31:02.980 USA! U.S.A.길

06:31:07.980 U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A.

06:31:14.860 Thank you very much.

06:31:16.860 Winning the popular vote was very nice, very nice, I will tell you.

06:31:22.140 It's a great, a great feeling of love.

06:31:24.280 We have a great feeling of love in this very large room

06:31:26.960 with unbelievable people standing by my side.

06:31:31.700 These people have been incredible.

06:31:33.880 They've made the journey with me, and we're going to make you very happy.

06:31:39.300 We're going to make you very proud of your vote.

06:31:41.520 I hope that you're going to be looking back someday

06:31:44.000 and say that was one of the truly important moments of my life

06:31:48.100 when I voted for this group of people beyond the president,

06:31:52.840 this group of great people.

06:31:54.120 America has given us an unprecedented and powerful mandate.

06:32:05.040 We have taken back control of the Senate.

06:32:09.320 Wow, that's great.

06:32:10.560 And the Senate races in Montana, Nevada, Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin,

06:32:24.980 the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

06:32:28.500 were all won by the MAGA movement.

06:32:33.200 They helped so much.

06:32:34.640 And in those cases, every one of them, we worked with the senators.

06:32:42.600 They were tough races.

06:32:43.480 And I mean, the number of victories in the Senate

06:32:47.200 was absolutely incredible.

06:32:49.240 And we did tele-rallies.

06:32:51.280 We did tele-rallies with each one of them.

06:32:53.320 And sometimes we did two or three for...

06:32:56.140 And it was amazing to look at all of those victories.

06:32:58.720 Nobody expected that. Nobody.

06:33:00.980 So I just wanted to thank you very much for that.

06:33:03.420 And we have...

06:33:04.680 You have some great senators and some great new senators.

06:33:08.300 And it also looks like we'll be keeping control

06:33:11.380 of the House of Representatives.

06:33:19.820 And I want to thank Mike Johnson.

06:33:22.280 I think he's doing a terrific job.

06:33:24.300 Terrific job.

06:33:25.820 I want to also thank my beautiful wife, Melania, First Lady.

06:33:29.600 Who has the number one best-selling book in the country.

06:33:44.740 Can you believe that?

06:33:46.440 Come on.

06:33:47.080 Oh, no, she's done a great job.

06:33:58.000 Works very hard.

06:33:59.600 Works very hard to help people.

06:34:01.820 So I just want to thank her.

06:34:03.100 But I want to thank my whole family.

06:34:05.700 My amazing children.

06:34:07.080 And they are amazing children.

06:34:09.460 Now, we all think our children are amazing.

06:34:11.420 Everybody here thinks their children are amazing.

06:34:13.880 But that's a good thing when you think they are.

06:34:17.780 But Don, Eric, Ivanka, Tiffany, Barron,

06:34:21.520 there's Laura, Jared, Kimberly, Michael.

06:34:24.680 Thank you all.

06:34:25.360 What a help.

06:34:26.880 What a help.

06:34:27.760 My father-in-law, Victor, is tremendous.

06:34:37.060 And we miss very much Melania's mother, Amalia.

06:34:41.480 We miss Amalia, don't we, huh?

06:34:44.020 She would be very happy right now, standing on this stage.

06:34:46.900 She'd be so proud.

06:34:48.500 She was a great woman, that one.

06:34:50.400 Beautiful inside and out.

06:34:52.720 She was a great woman.

06:34:53.940 I want to be the first to congratulate

06:34:57.420 our great, now I can say,

06:35:01.160 Vice President-elect of the United States, J.B. Brown.

06:35:18.400 And his absolutely remarkable and beautiful wife,

06:35:22.220 Ushabez.

06:35:27.640 And he is a feisty guy, isn't he?

06:35:30.580 You know, I've said,

06:35:32.180 go into the enemy camp,

06:35:34.480 and you know the enemy camp

06:35:35.680 is certain networks,

06:35:37.700 and a lot of people don't like to,

06:35:40.320 sir, do I have to do that?

06:35:42.000 He just goes, okay.

06:35:43.760 Which one?

06:35:44.480 CNN, MSDNC?

06:35:46.720 He'll say,

06:35:48.240 all right, thank you very much.

06:35:49.700 He actually looks like,

06:35:50.560 he's still like the only guy I've ever seen,

06:35:52.440 he really looks forward to it,

06:35:53.620 and then he just goes

06:35:54.420 and absolutely obliterates them.

06:35:59.420 Say a couple of words.

06:36:01.460 Well, Mr. President,

06:36:20.060 I appreciate you allowing me to join you

06:36:23.020 on this incredible journey.

06:36:24.280 I thank you for the trust that you placed in me.

06:36:27.580 And I think that we just witnessed

06:36:29.080 the greatest political comeback

06:36:31.180 in the history of the United States of America.

06:36:40.720 And under President Trump's leadership,

06:36:42.740 we're never going to stop fighting for you,

06:36:44.960 for your dreams,

06:36:46.140 for the future of your children,

06:36:47.760 and after the greatest political comeback

06:36:50.800 in American history,

06:36:52.080 we're going to leave

06:36:52.700 the greatest economic comeback

06:36:54.180 in American history

06:36:55.280 under Donald Trump's leadership.

06:37:04.920 Thank you very much.

06:37:06.340 He's turned out to be a good choice.

06:37:09.660 I took a little heat

06:37:13.700 at the beginning,

06:37:14.940 but he was,

06:37:17.160 I knew the brain was a good one,

06:37:19.220 about as good as it gets.

06:37:21.160 And we love the family,

06:37:22.700 and we're going to have

06:37:23.320 a great four years,

06:37:25.480 and we're going to turn our country around,

06:37:27.200 make it something very special.

06:37:28.580 We've lost that,

06:37:30.420 lost that little,

06:37:33.120 it lost that little,

06:37:34.520 that little thing called special.

06:37:38.000 We have to make it so,

06:37:39.120 we're going to make this so great.

06:37:40.860 It's going to,

06:37:41.380 it's the greatest country

06:37:42.460 and potentially the greatest country

06:37:45.080 in the world by far.

06:37:46.460 And right now,

06:37:47.380 we're going to just work very hard

06:37:48.480 to get all of that back.

06:37:50.160 We're going to make it the best it's ever been.

06:37:52.260 We can do that.

06:37:53.080 We just,

06:37:53.800 if we had to wait longer,

06:37:55.240 I don't know,

06:37:56.080 it was going bad,

06:37:57.080 and it was going bad fast.

06:37:59.280 We're going to have to seal up those borders,

06:38:01.120 and we're going to have to let people

06:38:02.320 come into our country. 1.00

06:38:05.620 We want people to come back in,

06:38:08.200 but we have to,

06:38:10.580 we have to let them come back in,

06:38:13.100 but they have to come in legally.

06:38:15.460 They have to come in legally.

06:38:17.380 Let me also express my tremendous appreciation

06:38:21.620 for Susie and Chris,

06:38:23.480 the job you did.

06:38:25.620 Susie, come Susie, come here.

06:38:27.800 Come here, Susie.

06:38:29.300 Chris, come here, Chris.

06:38:32.420 Susie likes to stay sort of in the back,

06:38:34.760 let me tell you.

06:38:35.880 The ice baby.

06:38:36.920 We call her the ice baby.

06:38:38.500 Come here, Chris.

06:38:41.640 Chris, come here, Chris.

06:38:46.640 Susie likes to stay in the background.

06:38:48.460 She's not in the background.

06:38:49.840 Come here, Susie.

06:38:50.260 This was unexpected,

06:38:54.940 but I just want to thank,

06:38:56.420 obviously, President Trump for this journey.

06:38:58.420 It was a great one,

06:38:59.480 and he's a hell of a candidate,

06:39:01.380 and he's going to be a hell of a great 47th president.

06:39:03.840 And this team that we had,

06:39:06.360 the best team,

06:39:07.560 and, of course,

06:39:08.680 even my boss, Susie Wiles, 0.96

06:39:10.640 the best.

06:39:11.600 Thank you.

06:39:16.360 Thank you,

06:39:17.060 and thank you, Susie.

06:39:18.920 Look at her.

06:39:19.480 She's shot.

06:39:19.900 I've never seen her be shot before.

06:39:22.360 Susie.

06:39:23.780 They've been,

06:39:24.520 they're great.

06:39:25.200 Everybody up here is great.

06:39:26.660 Everybody up here is very special.

06:39:29.380 But the Trump,

06:39:32.260 who did you say?

06:39:33.540 Elon Musk!

06:39:34.720 Oh, let me tell you,

06:39:36.420 we have a new star.

06:39:38.360 A star is born,

06:39:39.480 Elon.

06:39:39.760 Elon Musk!

06:39:40.100 Now he is.

06:39:45.640 Now he's an amazing guy.

06:39:47.320 We were sitting together tonight.

06:39:48.940 You know,

06:39:49.100 he spent two weeks in Philadelphia

06:39:51.800 and different parts of Pennsylvania

06:39:54.100 campaigning.

06:39:56.120 You know,

06:39:56.400 he sent the rocket up two weeks ago,

06:39:59.100 and I saw that rocket,

06:40:00.900 and I saw it coming down.

06:40:02.460 I saw it.

06:40:03.140 It was,

06:40:03.840 when it left,

06:40:04.420 it was beautiful,

06:40:05.360 shiny white.

06:40:06.200 When it came down,

06:40:07.180 it didn't look so pretty.

06:40:08.520 It was going 10,000 miles an hour.

06:40:10.100 And it was burning like hell.

06:40:12.100 I said,

06:40:12.520 what happened to your paint job?

06:40:13.800 He said,

06:40:14.140 we've never made a paint that could withstand that kind of heat.

06:40:17.980 And,

06:40:18.480 but I saw it come down and turn around.

06:40:21.800 And it was,

06:40:22.320 you know,

06:40:22.480 it's like 22 stories tall,

06:40:23.920 by the way.

06:40:24.420 It looks a little smaller than that,

06:40:25.800 but it's big.

06:40:27.180 And it came down and down.

06:40:29.300 And you saw that fire burning.

06:40:31.420 And I'm saying,

06:40:32.980 only Elon can do this.

06:40:34.740 It must be an Elon.

06:40:36.120 And I tell the story.

06:40:37.300 I told it last night.

06:40:38.560 I had a man on the phone.

06:40:40.800 I had the screen muted.

06:40:42.460 No sound.

06:40:43.260 I was talking to a very important man.

06:40:44.800 Happens to be here.

06:40:46.380 And that very important guy,

06:40:47.940 one of the most important people,

06:40:49.340 and I would say the country actually.

06:40:52.840 But,

06:40:53.080 you know,

06:40:54.180 I was president.

06:40:55.740 And now it looks like I was going to be maybe president again.

06:40:58.940 So I figured I could ask him to hold.

06:41:01.380 So I asked him to hold.

06:41:04.000 And because,

06:41:04.760 especially because you're going to be president again,

06:41:06.920 they hold.

06:41:08.520 So I took the phone down and I'm looking at the screen.

06:41:10.580 I'm seeing this crazy thing that's going around and coming down.

06:41:13.340 It looks like it's a crash into the gantry.

06:41:15.500 And I said,

06:41:16.920 Oh no.

06:41:17.760 And I said,

06:41:18.200 do me a favor.

06:41:18.740 Do you mind holding for a couple of minutes?

06:41:20.160 I want to see this.

06:41:21.640 I thought it was a space age movie or something.

06:41:24.300 I put the phone down.

06:41:26.420 Bad part.

06:41:26.940 I didn't pick it up for 45 minutes and he was holding.

06:41:30.680 But this spaceship came down and I saw those engines firing and it looked like it was over.

06:41:36.440 It was going to smash.

06:41:37.480 And then I saw the fire pour out from the left side and I put it straight and it came down so gently

06:41:44.820 and then it wrapped those arms around it and it held it.

06:41:48.980 And just like you hold your baby at night, your little baby.

06:41:53.040 And it was a beautiful thing to see.

06:41:55.080 And I called Elon.

06:41:55.920 I said,

06:41:56.240 Elon,

06:41:57.540 was that you?

06:41:59.080 He said,

06:41:59.740 yes,

06:42:00.020 it was.

06:42:01.680 I said,

06:42:02.140 who else can do that?

06:42:03.280 Can Russia do it? 0.69

06:42:04.220 No.

06:42:04.640 Can China do it? 0.95

06:42:05.680 No.

06:42:07.080 Can the United States do it other than you?

06:42:09.380 No.

06:42:09.860 Nobody can do that.

06:42:11.000 I said,

06:42:11.380 that's why I love you,

06:42:12.520 Elon.

06:42:12.920 That's great.

06:42:13.500 And you know,

06:42:15.060 when we had the tragic hurricane Helene and it hit,

06:42:20.720 in particular,

06:42:21.940 it hit North Carolina,

06:42:23.100 they were really devastated,

06:42:24.200 the water.

06:42:24.700 This was a big water,

06:42:26.380 as big as we've ever seen,

06:42:27.700 water hurricane.

06:42:28.460 It built lakes out of nothing.

06:42:30.580 Fields became lakes.

06:42:32.140 And the danger was unbelievable.

06:42:35.000 And the people from North Carolina came to me and they said,

06:42:37.860 would it be possible,

06:42:39.080 at all possible,

06:42:40.040 for you to speak to Elon Musk?

06:42:42.260 We need Starlink.

06:42:44.340 I said,

06:42:44.740 what's Starlink?

06:42:45.720 It's a form of communication.

06:42:47.440 So I called Elon.

06:42:49.040 And I'll tell you what,

06:42:50.080 he had,

06:42:50.600 and it was very dangerous.

06:42:51.580 People would die.

06:42:52.220 They had no communication.

06:42:53.420 All the wires were down.

06:42:54.560 I called Elon Musk.

06:42:56.320 I said,

06:42:56.820 Elon,

06:42:57.780 you have something called Starlink.

06:42:59.460 Is that right?

06:43:00.120 Yes,

06:43:00.380 I do.

06:43:00.760 What the hell is it?

06:43:01.600 He said,

06:43:02.360 it's a communication system.

06:43:04.420 That's very good.

06:43:05.400 And he said,

06:43:06.380 Elon,

06:43:06.760 they need it really,

06:43:08.080 really badly in North Carolina.

06:43:10.500 Can you get it?

06:43:11.100 He had that there so fast.

06:43:12.760 It was incredible.

06:43:13.800 So,

06:43:14.100 and it was great.

06:43:15.180 It saved a lot of lives.

06:43:16.440 He saved a lot of lives.

06:43:18.320 But he's a character.

06:43:19.620 He's a special guy.

06:43:20.560 He's a super genius.

06:43:21.600 We have to protect our geniuses.

06:43:23.540 We don't have that many of them.

06:43:25.580 We have to protect our super geniuses.

06:43:28.260 I want to thank some of the guys.

06:43:29.480 You know,

06:43:29.680 we have up here today the U.S. Open champion.

06:43:32.720 He's a fantastic golfer.

06:43:34.540 Slightly longer than me.

06:43:35.740 It's a ball.

06:43:36.200 A little bit longer than me.

06:43:38.040 Just a little bit.

06:43:39.020 Bryson DeChambeau is up here someplace.

06:43:44.240 What happened to Bryson?

06:43:45.920 Where is he?

06:43:47.940 Bryson.

06:43:50.040 Oh,

06:43:51.440 he was shot.

06:43:54.680 He's hitting balls.

06:43:56.600 Oh,

06:43:56.920 he's on the way.

06:43:58.200 He's hitting balls.

06:44:00.840 Bryson.

06:44:03.560 Oh,

06:44:04.260 look at him.

06:44:10.700 He had a great,

06:44:12.220 he's got a great career going.

06:44:14.800 Great U.S. Open, Bryson.

06:44:16.520 That's a fantastic job.

06:44:18.380 And we also have a man,

06:44:19.880 Dana White,

06:44:20.560 who has done some job.

06:44:21.820 He's a tough guy.

06:44:28.680 Dana!

06:44:29.080 Dana!

06:44:29.460 Dana!

06:44:29.920 Dana!

06:44:30.040 Dana!

06:44:30.420 Dana!

06:44:30.920 Dana!

06:44:31.520 Dana!

06:44:31.920 Dana!

06:44:32.420 Dana!

06:44:32.520 Dana!

06:44:33.020 Dana!

06:44:33.620 Dana!

06:44:33.920 So Dana started UFC and came to me. 0.88

06:44:38.840 Hey, do you mind if I use your...

06:44:40.080 Nobody wanted to give him a ring because they said it's a rough sport, a little rough.

06:44:44.900 And I helped him out a little bit and I went and I said, this is the roughest sport I've ever seen.

06:44:50.460 But I began to like it and he loved it.

06:44:53.500 And nobody's done a better job in sports.

06:44:56.900 And, you know, he's a very motivational kind of a guy, what he does.

06:45:01.140 He gets these fighters and they really go at it.

06:45:04.200 And it's become one of the most successful sports enterprises anywhere, at any time.

06:45:09.060 It's doing so well.

06:45:10.340 I'd like to ask Dana just to say a couple of words because people love to hear from him.

06:45:14.600 Dana, please.

06:45:23.220 Nobody deserves this more than him and nobody deserves this more than his family does.

06:45:28.440 This is what happens when the machine comes after you.

06:45:31.860 What you've seen over the last several years, this is what it looks like.

06:45:35.760 Couldn't stop him.

06:45:36.760 He keeps going forward.

06:45:38.120 He doesn't quit.

06:45:39.100 He's the most resilient, hardworking man I've ever met in my life.

06:45:42.260 His family are incredible people.

06:45:44.140 This is karma, ladies and gentlemen.

06:45:45.880 He deserves this.

06:45:47.160 They deserve it as a family.

06:45:50.800 I want to thank some people real quick.

06:45:52.900 I want to thank the Nell boys, Aiden Ross, Theo Vaughn.

06:45:57.900 Bustle with the boys.

06:45:58.760 And last but not least, the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan.

06:46:05.600 And thank you, America.

06:46:07.500 Thank you.

06:46:08.040 Have a good night.

06:46:08.660 That is a piece of work.

06:46:16.440 No, he's an amazing, he's really an amazing guy.

06:46:19.400 But most of all, I want to thank the millions of hardworking Americans across the nation who have always been the heart and soul of this really great movement.

06:46:28.340 And we've been through so much together.

06:46:31.100 And today you showed up in record numbers to deliver a victory like really, I probably like no other.

06:46:37.900 This was something, this was something special.

06:46:40.620 And we're going to pay you back.

06:46:43.040 We're going to do the best job.

06:46:44.840 We're going to turn it around.

06:46:47.080 It's got to be turned around.

06:46:48.360 It's got to be turned around fast.

06:46:49.960 And we're going to turn it around.

06:46:51.800 We're going to do it in every way.

06:46:53.160 So many ways.

06:46:54.120 But we're going to do it in every way.

06:46:55.560 This will forever be remembered as the day the American people regained control of their country.

06:47:02.160 So I just want to say that on behalf of this great group of people, these are hardworking people.

06:47:13.540 These are fantastic people.

06:47:15.720 And we can add a few names like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

06:47:19.960 He came in.

06:47:22.300 And he's going to help make America healthy again.

06:47:32.160 And now he's a great guy.

06:47:41.340 And he really means it.

06:47:42.420 He wants to do some things.

06:47:43.780 And we're going to let him go to it.

06:47:45.080 I just said, but Bobby, leave the oil to me.

06:47:50.800 We have more liquid gold, oil and gas.

06:47:53.580 We have more liquid gold than any country in the world, more than Saudi Arabia.

06:47:57.820 We have more than Russia. 0.90

06:48:00.260 Bobby, stay away from the liquid gold.

06:48:02.860 Other than that, go have a good time, Bobby.

06:48:07.200 We're going to be paying down debt.

06:48:09.340 We're going to be reducing taxes.

06:48:11.280 We can do things that nobody else can do.

06:48:14.160 Nobody else is going to be able to do it.

06:48:16.080 China doesn't have what we have. 0.93

06:48:17.720 Nobody has what we have.

06:48:19.640 But we have the greatest people also.

06:48:21.820 Maybe that's the most important thing.

06:48:23.520 This campaign has been so historic in so many ways.

06:48:28.780 We've built the biggest, the broadest, the most unified coalition.

06:48:34.680 They've never seen anything like it in all of American history.

06:48:37.980 They've never seen it.

06:48:38.820 Young and old, men and women, rural and urban.

06:48:42.520 And we had them all helping us tonight, when you think.

06:48:45.680 I mean, I was looking at it.

06:48:46.840 I was watching it.

06:48:47.720 They had some great analysis of the people that voted for us.

06:48:51.540 Nobody's ever seen anything like that.

06:48:53.240 They came from all quarters, union, non-union, African-American,

06:48:58.780 Hispanic-American, Asian-American, Arab-American, Muslim-American.

06:49:05.360 We had everybody.

06:49:07.020 And it was beautiful.

06:49:08.180 It was a historic realignment, uniting citizens of all backgrounds around a common core of common sense.

06:49:18.680 You know, we're the party of common sense.

06:49:20.660 We want to have borders.

06:49:22.340 We want to have security.

06:49:24.080 We want to have things be good, safe.

06:49:26.620 We want great education.

06:49:28.120 We want a strong and powerful military.

06:49:31.240 And ideally, we don't have to use it.

06:49:32.800 You know, we had no wars.

06:49:34.100 Four years, we had no wars, except we defeated ISIS.

06:49:37.680 We defeated ISIS in record time.

06:49:42.320 But we had no wars.

06:49:43.740 They said, he will start a war.

06:49:45.300 I'm not going to start a war.

06:49:46.100 I'm going to stop wars.

06:49:47.580 But this is also a massive victory for democracy and for freedom.

06:49:52.840 Together, we're going to unlock America's glorious destiny.

06:49:56.100 We're going to achieve the most incredible future for our people.

06:50:01.220 Yesterday, as I stood at my last stop on the campaign trail, I'll never be doing a rally again.

06:50:07.060 Can you believe it?

06:50:08.440 I think we've done 900 rallies approximately from the, can you imagine?

06:50:16.500 900, 901, something, a lot of rallies.

06:50:22.120 And it was sad.

06:50:22.980 Everybody was sad.

06:50:23.900 Many people, I said, this is our last rally.

06:50:26.760 But now we're going on to something that's far more important.

06:50:30.100 Because the rallies were used for us to put, be put in this position where we can really help our country.

06:50:36.480 That's what we're going to do.

06:50:38.440 We're going to make our country better than it ever has been.

06:50:42.320 And I said that many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason.

06:50:49.800 And that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness.

06:51:01.000 And now we are going to fulfill that mission together.

06:51:04.420 We're going to fulfill that mission.

06:51:05.720 The task before us will not be easy.

06:51:09.240 But I will bring every ounce of energy, spirit, and fight that I have in my soul to the job that you've entrusted to me.

06:51:20.540 This is a great job.

06:51:21.720 There's no job like this.

06:51:23.240 This is the most important job in the world.

06:51:27.700 Just as I did in my first term, we had a great first term, a great, great first term.

06:51:34.080 I will govern by a simple motto, promises made, promises kept.

06:51:39.280 We're going to keep our promises.

06:51:42.420 Nothing will stop me from keeping my word to you, the people.

06:51:45.980 We will make America safe, strong, prosperous, powerful, and free again.

06:51:51.320 And I'm asking every citizen all across our land to join me in this noble and righteous endeavor.

06:51:57.120 That's what it is.

06:51:58.580 It's time to put the divisions of the past four years behind us.

06:52:03.920 It's time to unite.

06:52:05.120 And we're going to try, we're going to try, we have to try, and it's going to happen.

06:52:10.600 Success will bring us together.

06:52:12.340 I've seen that.

06:52:13.240 I've seen that.

06:52:14.880 I saw that in the first term.

06:52:17.000 When we became more and more successful, people started coming together.

06:52:22.020 Success is going to bring us together, and we are going to start by all putting America first.

06:52:30.040 We have to put our country first for at least a period of time.

06:52:33.060 We have to fix it.

06:52:34.120 Because together we can truly make America great again for all Americans.

06:52:39.540 So I want to just tell you what a great honor this is.

06:52:43.560 I want to thank you.

06:52:44.500 I will not let you down.

06:52:46.080 America's future will be bigger, better, bolder, richer, safer, and stronger than it has ever been before.

06:52:54.240 God bless you, and God bless America.

06:52:56.700 Thank you very much.

06:52:57.860 Thank you.

06:52:58.960 Thank you very much.

06:53:00.320 Here we go.

06:53:04.900 Wow.

06:53:07.240 Guys, he did it.

06:53:11.380 What an incredible sight.

06:53:14.160 Donald Trump, president-elect, 45 and 47.

06:53:19.360 First president since Grover Cleveland to do it, saying, look what happened.

06:53:26.420 Is this crazy?

06:53:27.900 Yes.

06:53:28.420 Yes, it is.

06:53:29.360 None of us can believe our eyes.

06:53:31.740 Thank you to the American people for the extraordinary honor.

06:53:36.360 We will control the House of Representatives, he added.

06:53:40.520 He believes that the Republicans will win the House.

06:53:43.460 That's the data I'm receiving from my sources, too.

06:53:46.520 It hasn't been called yet, but that Republicans in the know do expect that they will retain control of the House.

06:53:53.920 And really, one of the most poignant moments with Trump saying, God spared my life for a reason, to save our country and restore our country to greatness.

06:54:03.240 I can't help but think of my friend, my one friend who said this to me.

06:54:07.740 I had dinner with her, and she said, I think God spared him for a reason.

06:54:11.660 I think he's going to win because I think it's the reason he was spared.

06:54:15.820 And by the way, she's the same person who, I know you're not a fan of RFKJ, but I'm telling you, you've got to go do the deep dive on RFKJ that my team did.

06:54:25.660 I put my team against anybody.

06:54:27.300 I thought he was a kook, too. 0.89

06:54:28.840 I really did.

06:54:29.300 And he said some kooky things.

06:54:30.280 It's not that there's no kook factor there. 1.00

06:54:32.040 I'm not denying that.

06:54:33.180 But we took a deep dive into his positions on vaccines, not the COVID vaccine in particular, but like MMR.

06:54:38.900 Not MMR.

06:54:41.860 Not as kooky as you might think.

06:54:43.540 Anyway, that's my summary.

06:54:44.660 But she was saying, I just read Fauci's book, or his book about Fauci, and I was like, oh, you know, garbage in, garbage out.

06:54:51.160 You might want to be careful about him.

06:54:52.820 She's like, it's kind of interesting.

06:54:54.080 He raised some interesting points, and I read it.

06:54:57.760 And then I put him on the air.

06:54:59.820 I was like, you know what?

06:55:00.460 He really is interesting.

06:55:01.460 I don't know if I agree with all of it, but it's interesting.

06:55:03.860 So we put him on the air without, before we put him on the air, we put hours and hours of research.

06:55:08.300 And when he came on the air, we managed to do an interview four hours that lived on all platforms, and he'd been banned everywhere.

06:55:13.740 And he thanked me and said, you're the reason I came back.

06:55:18.140 Like, nobody would platform me.

06:55:20.060 And then he started getting more and more invitations.

06:55:22.780 And basically, I'm responsible for all of this.

06:55:24.900 You closed it out in Pittsburgh.

06:55:32.660 Yeah, that's really what happened.

06:55:34.260 That's really what I want to tell you.

06:55:35.420 But just keep an open mind on RFKJ, because I know he's got some weird stuff.

06:55:39.400 For sure, he's got some weird stuff.

06:55:40.600 Yeah, very much so.

06:55:41.220 Don't deny.

06:55:42.040 But he is going to do some good.

06:55:44.340 Like, why wouldn't we want somebody to crack down on the FDA?

06:55:47.560 This is back to you, my friends, who are sad about Trump's win.

06:55:50.300 Why wouldn't we want somebody to crack down on the FDA? 0.98

06:55:52.860 You saw Dope Sick, didn't you?

06:55:54.420 Do you see Dope Sick?

06:55:55.180 I haven't seen that, no.

06:55:56.340 Well, Dope Sick is all about how they intentionally got us hooked on opioids here in the United States.

06:56:01.460 And the FDA couldn't have given a shit about any of us.

06:56:04.400 It was like people who are working the FDA who gave it a rubber stamp and wouldn't tell us it was addictive.

06:56:08.620 And then went on to work for Big Pharma.

06:56:12.080 And that's exactly the kind of stuff he spent his life fighting against.

06:56:15.140 He's a smart lawyer, environmental lawyer.

06:56:17.140 And now Trump is saying, I don't want to stick him on the oil and gas industry, but I do want to stick him on Big Pharma and FDA.

06:56:23.140 I'm telling you, RFKJ can be unleashed in ways that we'll like and then pulled back in ways that we'll find necessary.

06:56:31.840 Elon, God only knows, it's going to be great to watch what he does.

06:56:34.280 Or let's get into just like, we've got about like 10, 15 minutes left in us.

06:56:38.040 Please stay with us.

06:56:38.680 You guys have been with us all night.

06:56:39.800 We love you.

06:56:40.600 Thank you so much.

06:56:41.680 Our guys are still here, our high schoolers.

06:56:45.080 Are you going to go to school tomorrow on time?

06:56:47.480 Yes.

06:56:48.360 You got to go.

06:56:49.720 We talked about this.

06:56:50.900 You play, you got to pay.

06:56:54.000 Let's get to some of the fun reaction of the left.

06:56:57.280 I mean, this is what we're here for.

06:56:58.740 It's three in the morning and we've earned it.

06:57:02.180 Okay.

06:57:02.300 Ellie Mistel, either the most racist or second most racist person on television.

06:57:09.560 I think we can all agree really probably the most racist is altogether Joy Reid.

06:57:15.620 Okay.

06:57:15.900 But he tweeted out, Dems are never nominating a woman again.

06:57:21.060 Now, do we think that's tongue in cheek or do we think, what is that?

06:57:25.200 An indictment of the Dems?

06:57:26.860 What does that mean?

06:57:27.720 And then he goes on with Ellie Mistel.

06:57:28.980 Well, stop it with the Sotomayor should retire tomorrow.

06:57:33.420 Honestly, shut the fuck up. 0.84

06:57:36.140 Sorry, teenagers.

06:57:37.640 Trump is going to replace Alito and Thomas with 40-year-olds.

06:57:42.300 Good.

06:57:43.380 Cool.

06:57:44.240 Cool.

06:57:44.980 Cool.

06:57:45.380 Well, six to three forever versus seven to two forever doesn't make much difference.

06:57:51.340 And if the court defies him, he will ignore it anyway.

06:57:54.500 Oh, liberal tears.

06:57:56.240 That's what's happening there.

06:57:57.200 Liberal tears.

06:57:57.780 Okay.

06:57:58.180 But what are you?

06:57:59.000 Dems are nominating, never nominating a woman again. 0.90

06:58:01.780 Don't blame it on the woman. 0.99

06:58:02.900 I'm not sure what he's saying there.

06:58:03.980 That could be tongue in cheek.

06:58:05.320 I don't know.

06:58:07.120 I don't know that it is.

06:58:08.640 You can't speak Ellie Misdahl?

06:58:10.000 I can't.

06:58:11.440 I can't.

06:58:12.400 It's what we love about you.

06:58:13.040 No one can speak Ellie Misdahl.

06:58:14.120 No one can speak Ellie Misdahl.

06:58:14.480 Am I not alone?

06:58:15.300 Joy, Joy Reed.

06:58:16.860 I can speak a little Joy Reed.

06:58:18.780 I'm a little bit fluent in Joy Reed.

06:58:21.240 But no, this is going to be, this is the great epic blame game that's going to happen

06:58:25.840 that we're witnessing right now.

06:58:27.860 And we're going to keep hearing, and especially tomorrow morning, I cannot wait for the morning

06:58:33.320 Joes, for The View, about what a sexist, racist country we are. 0.68

06:58:39.220 Tears.

06:58:39.880 We're going to see tears.

06:58:40.080 And we're going to get everything we have coming to us.

06:58:43.180 So F everybody who voted for Trump, women included.

06:58:46.540 Yes.

06:58:47.100 The white women. 1.00

06:58:48.240 Joy Reed's very upset about the white women. 1.00

06:58:50.160 I think we have that clip.

06:58:51.100 I was saying there, though, that the country is sexist and Democrats will draw the right 0.85

06:58:54.720 conclusion from that, that they can never nominate a woman again.

06:58:57.840 He's exactly wrong.

06:58:59.040 He's exactly wrong.

06:59:00.200 This making her the president is what would have set women back. 1.00

06:59:06.280 I made this point.

06:59:07.640 She's too dumb to be president. 1.00

06:59:11.080 I don't care what her parts are.

06:59:13.260 Lady parts or man parts. 0.93

06:59:14.400 She's too stupid.

06:59:15.600 And if you don't believe the me of today, now that Trump has won, let's go back and look

06:59:20.740 at the me of the day Joe Biden.

06:59:22.920 And what would Dave was this, Debbie Murphy, the day he got ousted or the day of the debate?

06:59:28.660 The day he stepped down, we pulled the clip.

06:59:32.520 This is the day Joe Biden stepped down.

06:59:34.440 And here is what I said.

06:59:37.380 Look, I am a woman.

06:59:39.720 I have a daughter.

06:59:41.160 I hate the fact that there's been no female presidents. 1.00

06:59:43.780 I really do.

06:59:44.460 I hate the fact that you take out your little placemat when your kids are learning the presidents.

06:59:47.860 There's no female face on there.

06:59:49.080 And then you have to explain why.

06:59:50.140 It's just it's effed up.

06:59:51.160 Um, I would love to see a female president like a Margaret Thatcher type, somebody who's 1.00

06:59:56.480 strong and serious and sober and respected.

06:59:59.800 This ain't it.

07:00:01.280 I am telling you, America is not going to elect this Nimrod as its first female president. 1.00

07:00:10.520 I trust in them too much for that.

07:00:13.540 They're just they're not that dumb and they're not that open to a female president to where 1.00

07:00:21.300 they'd be like, anybody will do.

07:00:23.760 Anybody.

07:00:24.580 Anybody.

07:00:26.560 Huh?

07:00:27.120 Huh?

07:00:28.040 Right here.

07:00:28.900 Pretty good.

07:00:29.200 Anyway, I'm thrilled that she's not going to be the first.

07:00:33.480 We can't have somebody that dumb be the first.

07:00:35.300 It will happen.

07:00:36.660 It'll probably happen within the next 12 years.

07:00:38.760 Yeah.

07:00:38.940 But it's not going to be somebody that stupid.

07:00:41.140 So he's got it exactly reversed.

07:00:42.640 But I was mentioning Joy Reid.

07:00:44.360 Joy Reid does have a take. 1.00

07:00:45.860 She's been the star of our show.

07:00:46.840 She's been like a co-panelist.

07:00:49.480 Here's her quick take. 1.00

07:00:51.300 Oh, this is great.

07:00:52.980 Black voters came through for Kamala Harris. 1.00

07:00:56.040 White women voters did not. 0.84

07:00:58.260 That is what it appears happened in that state, is that if you can't flip enough white women, 1.00

07:01:04.440 and we've talked about this on this set numerous times, is that you have a state where you've

07:01:09.480 got a six week abortion or a 12 week abortion.

07:01:11.540 I think theirs might be 12 weeks.

07:01:13.080 But it's a state where women lost their reproductive rights, where there was a very heavy push to 1.00

07:01:17.820 get women to focus on not putting in place, you know, re-electing, putting back into the 0.99

07:01:23.900 White House the person who was responsible for taking those rights away and restoring

07:01:27.360 them.

07:01:27.960 But that message obviously was not enough to get enough white women to vote for Vice 1.00

07:01:34.740 President Harris, a fellow woman.

07:01:35.980 This would be the second opportunity that white women in this country have to change the 1.00

07:01:41.060 way that they interact with the patriarchy.

07:01:45.640 Charlie?

07:01:47.820 Well, look, I mean, the serious point to make is that she is incapable of describing to her

07:01:56.980 viewers the country in which she lives, and therefore reacting to it, right?

07:02:01.940 I mean, that's the big problem here.

07:02:03.700 That's the sin that she is guilty of.

07:02:06.020 What do you mean?

07:02:06.780 What I mean is that she is supposed to be on television to talk about America and what's

07:02:12.860 going on in America, and she can't do it.

07:02:14.560 Yeah, and it's just the identity politics prism through everything, right?

07:02:19.180 Women have to vote for another woman. 1.00

07:02:22.640 And by the way, let's divide it up.

07:02:23.640 It's white women who are the problem. 1.00

07:02:25.660 And this language about the patriarchy, this is how they think.

07:02:29.900 This is that they will not quit it until Charlie was saying earlier.

07:02:34.920 They lose several times over, and they're just convinced they're desperate and realize there's

07:02:39.120 no way they can ever get over the top thinking this way, but they teach themselves this language

07:02:44.300 and this way of thinking, you know, from high school, college on, right?

07:02:47.840 It's the world they live in.

07:02:50.420 So if you tell them something wrong with it, it wouldn't even compute, I think, for them.

07:02:54.040 Hey, Joy, I have a message for you from all white women. 1.00

07:02:58.180 You're welcome.

07:03:00.200 You're welcome.

07:03:01.760 Enjoy your safety and security for the next four years.

07:03:05.960 It's ridiculous, right, Maureen?

07:03:07.640 Of course she's going to go to the white women who didn't do their part to get their... 1.00

07:03:12.420 You know, they didn't elect Hillary Clinton, and now they didn't elect Kamala Harris.

07:03:16.920 I'd love to know where she's getting the data, that it's white women, overwhelmingly, not 1.00

07:03:22.320 black women, because as we know, Trump is speaking to the black voter, the Hispanic voter. 0.97

07:03:28.580 Generally more the man than the woman. 0.99

07:03:30.200 We know he has a women problem, for sure. 0.98

07:03:32.860 But I also love how dutifully Rachel Maddow and Nicole Wallace, the white women on the panel,

07:03:40.740 Rachel Maddow, the white woman who's the star of that network, sit there and swallow that bullshit. 0.87

07:03:46.840 Yeah, they're totally on board.

07:03:48.380 Do you think they believe it?

07:03:49.660 Yeah, who's that?

07:03:50.620 That's a good question.

07:03:51.640 Who's that former Republican consultant, Matthew Dowd, always says white men need to go away

07:03:56.360 and not be part of the process?

07:03:57.940 And I think he was running for Congress for a while.

07:04:00.280 Yeah, then he goes and eats his kale.

07:04:01.880 Because the reason I think they believe it is it is essentially a conspiracy theory.

07:04:07.520 The identity politics, when it reaches a certain point, becomes a conspiracy theory, right?

07:04:12.460 Where you can't falsify it.

07:04:14.340 So it becomes, well, you should vote this way because you're a woman. 0.63

07:04:18.100 And then the woman says, I have my own thoughts and I don't want to. 0.88

07:04:20.780 And you say, ah, I see you've internalized male thoughts.

07:04:24.000 You can't argue with that.

07:04:25.620 The same thing with racial politics.

07:04:27.640 Once you get to a certain point in which you're telling, say, a black man, you don't know

07:04:32.300 how to vote for your own self-interest because you've internalized racial oppression, you

07:04:37.240 can't argue against that.

07:04:38.720 Because if he says, actually, no, I haven't internalized racial oppression, I'm a human

07:04:42.740 being too and I have my own thoughts, then you say, but that's exactly what someone would

07:04:46.060 say if they'd internalized racial oppression.

07:04:47.680 You just go around in circles.

07:04:48.500 It's the Robin DiAngelo argument.

07:04:49.820 Exactly.

07:04:50.280 It's just a conspiracy theory.

07:04:51.780 And in political terms, if that guy is actually on the fence and that's the way you're talking

07:04:55.460 to him and you're trying to shame him, you're not going to convince him.

07:04:58.080 No, you're going to turn him and his 10 friends over on the other side.

07:05:00.920 I mean, I've long since moved past trying to convince anybody as far left as Joy Reid.

07:05:05.740 Right now, I just want you to defeat them and laugh at them.

07:05:08.460 That's why it's such a glorious night.

07:05:10.520 It's so fun.

07:05:11.760 I mean, that's the good thing.

07:05:13.380 That level of silliness is about 3% of the population at most.

07:05:17.880 The problem is they've had a lot of power to push it on us.

07:05:20.460 Right.

07:05:20.800 So if you are, you know, if you're us, it doesn't.

07:05:22.900 She's platformed.

07:05:23.940 Right.

07:05:24.120 Well, it doesn't matter if you're you and it doesn't matter if you're me and it doesn't

07:05:26.560 matter if you're you.

07:05:27.240 Right.

07:05:27.520 But if you are a mid-level employee at Unilever and you have to sit through your HR mandated,

07:05:36.960 that's what people are starting to hate.

07:05:38.840 There's a backlash against that.

07:05:40.360 You have to pretend to believe it.

07:05:40.980 You and I, like, we all actually sort of benefit from that because we look at it and

07:05:44.400 we go, she's being ridiculous.

07:05:45.820 And we love it.

07:05:46.420 Right.

07:05:46.640 And then we write columns about it and we love it.

07:05:48.400 But if you don't have any power and you're just some guy and you're just some company and

07:05:52.360 then that's where it's really pernicious.

07:05:54.240 But I don't think many people actually think like that.

07:05:56.380 Well, that's right.

07:05:56.840 Because you think back to my hard hat wearing Pittsburgh guys.

07:06:00.120 Those poor guys are out there every day, you know, doing the actual hard labor.

07:06:03.420 And then they got to get dragged into HR or whatever.

07:06:06.100 Some some DEI training because of Joy Reid.

07:06:08.320 Yeah.

07:06:08.400 They're told they're privileged.

07:06:09.880 Right.

07:06:10.020 Right.

07:06:10.300 Exactly right.

07:06:11.160 And they're to blame.

07:06:12.920 I mean, this is one of the we should talk about this because this is my third point

07:06:15.680 and my reasons why I'm voting for Trump.

07:06:17.880 And it was about what's being done to our boys and our men.

07:06:21.120 You know, the it's it's a new form of reparations.

07:06:25.180 It's like the unspoken form of reparations that you won't get jobs.

07:06:28.580 We have so many friends with with college age boys who cannot find jobs.

07:06:33.780 I joked that I was like, I'm going to hang a sign outside of the Megyn Kelly studios.

07:06:37.100 We hire whites. 1.00

07:06:38.240 Yeah, you're fine.

07:06:38.900 We hire males. 0.95

07:06:40.580 It's OK.

07:06:41.900 By the way, it's illegal to discriminate against whites or men on the basis of of sex and race.

07:06:47.940 But that's where we are right now.

07:06:49.720 And it's because it's by design that they're they've decided to heap all of the blame of

07:06:54.420 society's problems on young men.

07:06:57.520 It could be whites.

07:06:58.340 It could be blacks. 0.92

07:06:59.000 But it's usually whites first. 0.98

07:07:00.240 And then males, they all file in there. 0.78

07:07:02.960 Blacks and Hispanics can get blamed, too, before we get down to women. 0.96

07:07:05.600 And it's leading to dejection, depression.

07:07:11.580 Men are three out of four deaths of despair.

07:07:16.000 No one gives a shit.

07:07:17.360 They they reach out for help for Jordan Peterson and then they get mocked by Hollywood.

07:07:20.700 Like Trump is the antidote.

07:07:23.800 Trump is the reason why young men here are cheering like they don't want to feel like 0.50

07:07:28.820 that.

07:07:29.280 Yeah.

07:07:29.460 The left doesn't get it.

07:07:30.540 They're perfectly happy to keep demonizing them.

07:07:32.840 They feel like it's a form of, like I said, reparations like they deserve it.

07:07:37.480 Like somehow this is why I said to the people at the Trump rally, to my fellow women, how

07:07:42.280 can you win when your sons and your husbands are losing?

07:07:47.840 How is that a win?

07:07:49.420 Yeah, I was at a Manhattan dinner party a year or two ago and the thrown by a couple.

07:07:55.460 And the woman is a fairly high, high powered lawyer. 1.00

07:07:59.120 And she says, I think she maybe she teaches a little bit, too.

07:08:02.020 And she says these these white students, white law school grads, guys will come to her and

07:08:07.280 say, I can't get a job.

07:08:08.400 And she was saying at this dinner, this is a good thing.

07:08:10.600 Finally, you know, the screw is turned and this is what they deserve.

07:08:14.840 But what do they what a 25 year old guy do to anyone?

07:08:18.160 Right.

07:08:18.460 And you should judge people on the basis of their individuality and their their merits.

07:08:23.800 Right.

07:08:24.380 And so it's so pernicious because it judges people as a class, which is deeply un-American

07:08:29.640 and unfair and illegal.

07:08:31.180 Right.

07:08:32.060 And this is Trump didn't make a major emphasis of this in the campaign, but it is in his

07:08:37.140 platform, his policy documents.

07:08:39.360 He is going to actually enforce the civil rights laws across the board and try to try to address

07:08:44.820 this.

07:08:44.960 Just a just a word on the civil on the Title IX and boys.

07:08:48.460 So as a result of what just happened, Trump's going to reverse the changes that were put

07:08:53.640 into Title IX.

07:08:54.300 I'm talking to the young men who are in this studio right now, 17 and 18 year olds.

07:08:57.560 But what Biden Harris did was they changed.

07:09:00.520 Obama created a world in which you have no due process.

07:09:04.000 God forbid you were to get accused on a college campus, which you won't because you're you're

07:09:08.120 going to stay away from girls who would fall safe. 0.81

07:09:11.040 And then Trump restored due process.

07:09:13.240 He didn't tip the balance in favor of women or men.

07:09:17.040 He just restored due process.

07:09:18.700 And then Biden Harris got in there and they completely changed it.

07:09:21.720 So you would have no right.

07:09:23.140 So we've seen cases like I've covered this a lot.

07:09:25.400 A young woman could accuse a man. 0.98

07:09:27.660 You'd have no right to cross examine, no right to cross it, no right to have a lawyer in the

07:09:32.340 hearing room.

07:09:32.960 The person trying your case is going to be the same person prosecuting your case.

07:09:38.320 How objective will that person be?

07:09:41.960 You will have no right to see all the evidence against you or all the evidence exonerating

07:09:46.300 you.

07:09:46.660 And we covered a case in which a young man, he was there.

07:09:50.320 I can't remember the university.

07:09:51.600 I feel like it was Amherst.

07:09:52.880 But he was there on a scholarship, an athletic scholarship.

07:09:56.100 And he.

07:09:59.480 Forgive me, because I might be conflating two cases, but I don't think I am.

07:10:02.360 A young man had sex with a woman, consensually, they were boyfriend, girlfriend.

07:10:07.620 She told her roommate about it the next day.

07:10:10.140 She mentioned that they were not using protection.

07:10:12.780 And then in the middle of the act, she said, would you put on protection?

07:10:17.460 And then for like 10 seconds, he didn't.

07:10:19.720 And then he did.

07:10:21.000 And the roommate said that 10 seconds was rape. 1.00

07:10:23.800 That was non-consensual sex.

07:10:25.520 And she wasn't convinced, but the roommate went to the administrators and told the story.

07:10:35.260 Long story short, he got expelled.

07:10:37.440 He lost his scholarship.

07:10:38.900 He got expelled from the university.

07:10:40.800 Another situation where a young man got accused of rape and he said it was consensual.

07:10:47.160 She called me up.

07:10:47.780 It was a booty call.

07:10:48.500 She called me over.

07:10:49.180 I went over.

07:10:49.700 We did have action, but it was totally consensual.

07:10:51.960 And when forced to go through the kangaroo court set up by Barack Obama, he was not entitled

07:11:00.220 to any discovery.

07:11:01.540 He got expelled.

07:11:03.620 They filed an appeal where they got heard in federal court.

07:11:06.800 In federal court, he was entitled to discovery.

07:11:09.000 And he got all of her text messages saying, I called him over.

07:11:13.080 I wanted a booty call.

07:11:14.460 No one can know because it's my roommate's boyfriend.

07:11:18.440 You know, it was like all these complimentary things.

07:11:21.360 If she was 100% the initiator and this poor guy didn't even, he'd already been expelled.

07:11:26.680 He'd been tarred for life.

07:11:28.500 Trump has got, he will get rid of all of that so that it's just even playing field.

07:11:33.520 You get a right to the evidence, both good and bad.

07:11:37.360 In your case, you get a right to a fair and neutral arbiter of fact.

07:11:41.080 You get a right to cross examine.

07:11:42.600 You get a right to an attorney.

07:11:44.040 That's it.

07:11:45.100 People, no one talks about this in the news.

07:11:47.520 It's insane.

07:11:48.060 I've written about this a lot.

07:11:49.660 And that rule that Betsy DeVos spent two years writing, implemented, and then Biden reversed it. 1.00

07:11:55.860 I just don't understand.

07:11:56.480 So a good thing is some of the colleges and universities were pulling back on this because when they actually,

07:12:01.180 these cases would get in the courts, the universities would lose.

07:12:03.960 But often they couldn't really do much for the kid.

07:12:06.340 Like Amherst did not reverse its expulsion of that kid.

07:12:12.580 Yeah, there's, we did a piece on, on some guy who was similar circumstances to the ones you've described and got, got expelled.

07:12:20.920 And then, then won a huge settlement against the, the school.

07:12:24.660 And actually for this interview, drove up in the Lamborghini to, to meet our reporter.

07:12:29.260 Yeah.

07:12:29.580 Good for him.

07:12:30.700 Well, in any event, that's, that's going to get undone.

07:12:32.960 It's yet another reason you should feel good about Trump being reelected.

07:12:38.560 Let's just show the Jake Tapper clip because there's some disbelief as to what's happening in the Electoral College.

07:12:45.660 We don't know the final number, but right now it's at 277 to 226.

07:12:51.080 Let's watch.

07:12:51.520 So you asked, are there any places that the vice president is over-performing Joe Biden in 2020?

07:12:57.600 So we can show you that as well.

07:12:58.740 We just bring that out here.

07:13:00.080 Harris over-performing in 2020.

07:13:01.880 Holy smokes.

07:13:02.660 There you go.

07:13:03.340 So let this go away and see if there's anything on the east side there.

07:13:07.100 Literally nothing?

07:13:08.340 Literally nothing.

07:13:09.000 Literally not one county?

07:13:13.000 Wait, what just happened there?

07:13:15.540 What just happened there?

07:13:17.560 Just nothing?

07:13:18.560 No, I was literally listening to something in my ear.

07:13:21.600 He was literally saying, like, nothing's happening?

07:13:23.160 Like, she doesn't have one county?

07:13:23.940 What was that supposed to be?

07:13:24.940 Counties of Kamala Harris's?

07:13:26.280 Counties where she over-performed Biden.

07:13:28.060 There's not one.

07:13:28.920 Oh, my God.

07:13:30.720 Oh.

07:13:31.380 Oh, my God.

07:13:32.300 Okay, so it's her.

07:13:34.180 It's her.

07:13:35.280 The woman who eats. 1.00

07:13:36.600 It's her.

07:13:36.920 The issues are important, but it's also her.

07:13:38.560 Well, it's Biden also having been president.

07:13:40.480 Yeah.

07:13:40.740 What do you mean?

07:13:41.100 Yeah.

07:13:41.660 Four years of Biden, right?

07:13:43.060 What are you saying?

07:13:43.760 Like, they loved him?

07:13:44.700 No, they are.

07:13:45.180 No, he was totally incompetent.

07:13:46.840 He was supposed to be normality.

07:13:48.060 Right.

07:13:48.260 He wasn't.

07:13:48.740 He was supposed to be competent.

07:13:49.820 He wasn't.

07:13:50.300 He was supposed to be a moderate.

07:13:51.540 He wasn't.

07:13:52.340 And inflation ate away.

07:13:54.220 But wait, wouldn't that suggest that she would outperform him in the answer?

07:13:58.860 No, because-

07:14:00.100 She's his partner.

07:14:01.760 She didn't convince people that she wasn't part of the deal. 0.57

07:14:03.980 That she was changed.

07:14:04.540 They're judging her after what he had done that he was not supposed to do.

07:14:08.280 Mm-hmm.

07:14:08.660 Yeah.

07:14:09.260 They were not buying the, I'm different.

07:14:11.460 Right.

07:14:11.540 Because when she got asked about how would you be different, first she said the inane answer she gave the view.

07:14:17.920 Then she doubled down on Stephen Colbert. 0.87

07:14:20.040 Mm-hmm.

07:14:20.440 I won't be different.

07:14:21.380 And then finally she got around to-

07:14:23.740 She's so dumb. 1.00

07:14:24.760 You're not Joe Biden.

07:14:25.460 I'm not.

07:14:25.980 I'm a different person.

07:14:27.040 That's true of all of us.

07:14:28.100 I know.

07:14:29.700 Yeah.

07:14:30.160 That's not an achievement.

07:14:31.480 Yeah.

07:14:31.740 It's not an argument.

07:14:32.660 That's so true.

07:14:33.680 That's so true.

07:14:34.620 That's where it landed.

07:14:35.920 We're literally different people.

07:14:37.460 See, the thing that, Biden would have been worse just because he was in such a debilitated state.

07:14:42.000 And he went through that.

07:14:42.980 They would have, if you stayed in, insisted on staying in, they would have eventually crawled back.

07:14:47.780 But the three weeks of everyone blasting him and saying he wasn't up for this was devastating to him.

07:14:53.200 But he had the Scranton Joe thing, which was always kind of BS and annoying.

07:14:56.600 But it got him some credibility among these voters in the blue wall states.

07:15:01.320 And that's why, even though I don't think it made any sense, they had him campaign a little bit for her because they thought he had some residual appeal to those people.

07:15:07.700 But she had none.

07:15:08.300 She had no cultural connection to those type of voters whatsoever.

07:15:11.340 So who's to blame for this loss?

07:15:15.500 Great question.

07:15:17.080 I mean, I blame the Democratic Party that has been installing candidates since Hillary Clinton. 0.85

07:15:26.540 And I blame Pelosi.

07:15:28.500 And I blame Barack Obama.

07:15:30.080 And I just, I blame a party that refuses to allow its constituents to vote for their nominees.

07:15:38.760 That's an interesting question.

07:15:39.940 If they had done the mini primary that was floated by reportedly Obama and maybe James Carville, where they were like, where Obama and Clinton would come up with four candidates and they'd have like a mini primary.

07:15:54.880 Would they have done better?

07:15:57.080 No?

07:15:57.340 Because they'd have chosen her.

07:15:59.060 You think?

07:16:00.080 Yeah.

07:16:00.700 Because of identity politics?

07:16:01.940 Partly.

07:16:02.720 Also, she's the vice president.

07:16:04.240 She'd have had some power. 0.99

07:16:05.780 They'd have rigged it because they do that. 0.92

07:16:07.440 I just think they were in a position at that point where she was basically their choice.

07:16:14.540 And there are downsides.

07:16:15.660 Suppose they'd chosen someone better, which is possible that I'm wrong and they choose someone better.

07:16:20.560 At that point, you've opened up the wounds in the party, you've invited debate in the Democratic Party, and they are at war with one another on a whole bunch of things, not least of which, and at that point it was particularly potent given the campus shenanigans, was Israel.

07:16:37.680 So I just think she was their best shot.

07:16:40.400 I think it was Biden who bears ultimate responsibility.

07:16:43.120 He was a terrible president, and then he made one of the worst decisions a president has ever made.

07:16:48.280 He didn't follow through on it ultimately because he couldn't, but to run again when he was clearly debilitated.

07:16:53.360 And it was only going to get worse, and he and Jill were too selfish to acknowledge reality, and then the Democrats are too cowardly and a little wrong-footed by the results in 2022 where they thought Biden had some life to them and they could get through.

07:17:10.080 So they went along with it, and then that set and trained this disaster for them.

07:17:15.900 And ultimately, he picked her, right?

07:17:18.760 He picked an idiot to be vice president for identity politics reasons.

07:17:23.380 Yep.

07:17:24.060 Yeah, I mean, Tim Cain, the point I made in a column was, so Tim Cain, not Tim Cain, sorry, the vice president, Tim Walsh, sorry.

07:17:33.600 Oh, let's talk about Tim Walsh.

07:17:35.640 I'm into it.

07:17:36.500 Can we toast for getting Tim Walsh already?

07:17:39.100 Yes, yes.

07:17:39.980 Tampon Tim.

07:17:41.000 So Tim Walsh was chosen as vice president.

07:17:45.900 Vice president, because someone who Barack Obama, who was the talented one, chose someone else who chose someone else.

07:17:56.980 Like, to your point about not having, they don't have a lot of talent.

07:18:00.960 Obama was hugely talented, right?

07:18:02.600 So then Obama is the nominee because he's talented, and he chooses Joe Biden.

07:18:10.060 And then because he chooses Joe Biden, Joe Biden chooses Kamala Harris.

07:18:13.420 And then Kamala Harris, because she chooses Tim Walsh. 0.85

07:18:16.840 Like, you are scraping the barrel at this point.

07:18:19.220 There was no election that intervened, any of those.

07:18:22.020 But going to selecting candidates, they wanted to select Hillary in 08. 1.00

07:18:25.960 And Obama runs as the outsider and upsets the establishment candidate.

07:18:29.500 And what you find out through that process is who's really talented.

07:18:32.260 And he was more talented than her.

07:18:34.240 But they didn't really do that in 16.

07:18:36.860 They sort of, they kind of did it in 20.

07:18:39.140 And Biden lost the first couple of contests.

07:18:41.220 But they didn't do it this time.

07:18:42.780 We have to talk about Tim Walsh.

07:18:45.480 That's important.

07:18:46.900 I mean, I didn't like him from the beginning.

07:18:50.100 Yeah.

07:18:50.460 It was very clear.

07:18:51.340 Just a simple Google search would have told you he was a radical leftist on cultural issues in particular, but on a lot.

07:18:57.700 And she said, that was one interesting thing about Stephanie Rule's interview with her on MSNBC.

07:19:04.220 She was asked, what was the last decision you made on your gut?

07:19:08.380 And she was like, my vice president, my running mate.

07:19:12.400 And of course, we were all like, oh, wrong answer.

07:19:17.040 It was Tim Walsh.

07:19:18.900 He was a disaster in every way.

07:19:20.920 Yes.

07:19:21.520 I mean, in what way did he help her at all?

07:19:25.900 Well, he said weird.

07:19:29.100 Right.

07:19:29.700 And then he got chosen.

07:19:30.920 They liked the word weird, which didn't stick because the guy who coined it is very weird.

07:19:36.760 So it soon became impossible for him to deploy it any further.

07:19:40.280 Could wear plaid.

07:19:42.460 I mean, look, there's a bunch of Republicans sitting here.

07:19:46.680 Who can't load their gun?

07:19:48.740 What man that is a hunter cannot load his gun?

07:19:52.420 It's like a thing with men.

07:19:53.700 You know, like there are certain things you're required to do.

07:19:55.900 You are required to be able to take the lid off the ketchup bottle and you are required

07:20:00.300 to be able to load your gun.

07:20:01.760 Right.

07:20:02.260 I'm like, I didn't write the rule book, but I've seen it.

07:20:04.860 And it seems like a classic, you know, they say in management, you know, the an A talented

07:20:09.220 person hires a B.

07:20:10.420 That's kind of what you're saying with Obama and Biden.

07:20:12.660 And then the B hires a C and a C hires a D.

07:20:14.740 So she is a C and she didn't want to hire Shapiro, who might be a B or an A even, you know, a little

07:20:20.220 too slick.

07:20:20.760 But he's a talented guy.

07:20:22.020 So she hired a D and he was a total doofus.

07:20:24.940 He made no sense from from the beginning.

07:20:27.280 It turns out this race did not depend on Pennsylvania.

07:20:29.860 But if it had, it would have been even more idiotic.

07:20:33.720 And just in theory, I kind of agree with Charlie would have been hard to get there.

07:20:37.180 But in paper, I would have run like Whitmer Shapiro, do the total blue wall thing, realize

07:20:42.400 you just hold those three states and you hold it and try and try to do that.

07:20:47.060 But but they they instead through through circumstances and Biden's bad judgment were stuck

07:20:51.480 with her.

07:20:52.200 She was a puppet, but it was not her fault that she was a puppet.

07:20:55.040 That's all she's capable of.

07:20:56.180 By the way, Henry, our friend Henry is still awake and he is making projections.

07:21:02.020 Henry is projecting.

07:21:04.220 He says Philadelphia is now in and Dave McCormick is ahead.

07:21:09.300 Call it.

07:21:09.960 GOP beats Bob Casey and gets a 53rd sentence.

07:21:13.120 That is great.

07:21:13.700 Wow.

07:21:14.560 Wow.

07:21:16.120 And it's especially because Bob Casey is awful.

07:21:19.380 Terrible.

07:21:20.340 Well, if you go back to 2006 when Bob Casey first won and you look at what he ran on

07:21:24.840 and you look at what he is now, it's actually embarrassing.

07:21:27.480 What do you mean?

07:21:28.020 I hadn't seen that.

07:21:29.020 Well, he ran as a pro-life, pro-second amendment fiscal moderate.

07:21:33.460 Oh, sure.

07:21:34.240 And now he is all in on guns, abortion.

07:21:38.180 Go ahead.

07:21:39.360 And he's never met a tax increase he didn't vote.

07:21:42.980 But he was running ads trying to tie himself to Trump.

07:21:45.720 Yeah, right.

07:21:46.820 But it caught up with him eventually.

07:21:48.480 I think Dave McCormick ran a really good campaign.

07:21:50.740 But Casey, he was also trading on his father's name.

07:21:54.040 I like McCormick.

07:21:55.180 I'm excited about that one.

07:21:57.160 He came on the show and did not have any weird interviews.

07:22:00.400 The Sheehy thing was very weird.

07:22:02.800 Did you see it?

07:22:03.240 I had to read several.

07:22:04.240 I read news accounts of it.

07:22:05.560 And I had to read a number of them to understand what he was saying.

07:22:08.680 I still don't understand.

07:22:10.020 I'm going to be honest.

07:22:10.740 I think Tim Sheehy lied to me.

07:22:12.480 I don't think he's telling me the truth about how he got shot in his arm.

07:22:15.640 Long story short, for people who are just tuning in, he's the senator-elect from the

07:22:20.360 state of Montana, state I own property in and love.

07:22:24.720 And he was coming out for a friendly interview.

07:22:27.120 You know, it's like, this is not adversarial to him in any way.

07:22:30.880 And the biggest thing that was being used against him was that he may have lied about

07:22:35.060 how he got shot in the arm.

07:22:36.720 That's really the only thing they had on him.

07:22:39.000 So I asked him about it.

07:22:40.180 So let's just kick it off.

07:22:41.060 How did you get shot in your arm?

07:22:42.740 Oh, we've got it.

07:22:43.280 We've got some of this cut.

07:22:44.340 Okay, well, let's show him what happened.

07:22:45.520 So I asked him, like, this is what they're using against you.

07:22:48.540 And here's a little of how that went.

07:22:51.840 They're saying that you were in a park, Glacier Park, that you dropped your weapon, that it

07:22:56.640 went off inadvertently and it shot you in the arm, and that there's a park ranger saying

07:23:00.660 she spoke to you about that.

07:23:02.060 It looks like you spoke to the Washington Post and you said that you lied when you told the

07:23:06.680 park ranger about this.

07:23:09.340 So, which is it?

07:23:11.780 Like, did you shoot yourself in the arm inadvertently in Glacier Park?

07:23:17.640 No, we've discussed this at length.

07:23:19.640 Were you wounded in the park?

07:23:20.520 I said it happened.

07:23:21.260 Did you have a wound?

07:23:22.600 No.

07:23:23.260 In the park?

07:23:24.920 Yes, I fell and injured my arm when we were hiking.

07:23:27.440 So that's why I went, because, you know, I could feel the bullet get dislodged when I

07:23:31.300 fell and fell on the arm.

07:23:32.700 You could feel the bullet get dislodged.

07:23:34.520 And then as a result-

07:23:35.260 Are there medical records where the ER can say we did not treat a gunshot wound?

07:23:39.340 Well, there isn't.

07:23:41.980 I mean, that's the point.

07:23:42.640 You go in, you check on it, and you leave.

07:23:44.340 There's not an extensive medical record for any of this stuff.

07:23:46.500 And unfortunately, that's the crux of this, is there's just not a whole lot to talk about.

07:23:50.300 They've decided to take this one report from a park ranger that I gave him that report.

07:23:54.120 I stood in the parking lot and said, hey, this is what happened, you know, in five minutes,

07:23:57.980 you know, we go on our way.

07:23:59.180 And they decided to make that, you know, the focal point of all this.

07:24:01.060 So confusing.

07:24:02.640 Yes, very confusing.

07:24:03.740 I have no idea what he was saying.

07:24:06.060 Sounded a little jumpy, too.

07:24:07.360 He, I actually wonder whether my audience is going to be upset by that interview because

07:24:12.080 it did not make him look good.

07:24:13.280 And they all wanted to win the control of the Senate.

07:24:15.520 And they were all, everybody, everybody on that YouTube clip we posted was like, he's

07:24:20.760 lying.

07:24:21.880 He's lying.

07:24:22.800 Why didn't he just answer the question?

07:24:24.280 He won.

07:24:25.420 He's the senator-elect, and he's going to be part of the Republican majority.

07:24:28.880 I don't know why he's lying about the fact that he shot himself in the arm in Glacier

07:24:33.840 Park and saying instead that he got shot by an Afghani soldier in Afghanistan whom he

07:24:41.620 was training and he didn't want to bring attention to the unit because it would have led to an

07:24:45.620 investigation in which someone could have been embarrassed.

07:24:48.200 But if that's true, why isn't there some witness to say, yeah, he got shot in Afghanistan?

07:24:54.840 And why did he tell the park ranger he shot himself in the park?

07:24:59.960 And why did he go to the hospital for a dislodged bullet internal bleeding because he fell on it?

07:25:06.180 None of that makes sense.

07:25:07.860 And if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true.

07:25:11.720 I don't know why he's lying.

07:25:13.020 Maybe there's some personal embarrassment around it.

07:25:14.800 I don't think it disqualifies him.

07:25:16.140 You know, I mean, honestly, it doesn't seem like that big a deal to me, to be honest.

07:25:19.500 But he's now a U.S. senator.

07:25:21.560 OK, so FYI, that happened with Sheehy.

07:25:23.660 But Dave McCormick came on, and we had a perfectly lovely interview.

07:25:26.400 We does not seem like he said anything untrue.

07:25:28.840 And I love that Bernie Moreno.

07:25:30.800 I feel really good about that guy.

07:25:33.240 The Ohio guy.

07:25:37.700 So can we talk about J.D. a little bit?

07:25:39.620 Yes, let's talk about J.D.

07:25:40.680 Because Trump's introduction there in the victory speech was most people,

07:25:44.960 they don't want to go on CNN or whatever.

07:25:47.060 J.D., he'll do anything.

07:25:48.460 And he's wiped him up every single time, which has pretty much been true. 1.00

07:25:51.320 I mean, he's been an incredibly effective performer.

07:25:54.340 He had the baggage of the stuff he had said in the past about childless cat ladies and all that.

07:26:00.220 But otherwise, I don't think there was really—

07:26:02.100 He did play a role in the Springfield, Ohio, elevating the eating cats thing.

07:26:05.820 But otherwise—

07:26:06.260 But was that a mistake?

07:26:07.980 Maybe not.

07:26:08.680 It got the country talking about illegal immigration or immigration for 10 days.

07:26:14.640 But he won almost every single one of these interviews.

07:26:16.540 And would end up—he never got cornered and end up oftentimes cornering the interview.

07:26:20.340 The interviewers.

07:26:21.360 It was really impressive.

07:26:22.280 Who was it at ABC?

07:26:23.940 Was it Raditz?

07:26:25.160 When he was like, can you hear yourself?

07:26:26.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:26:27.280 Only a couple apartment buildings have been taken over by migrant gangs.

07:26:30.300 Right, by Venezuelan illegals. 0.80

07:26:31.800 Just a couple.

07:26:32.380 Just a few.

07:26:33.140 It's fine.

07:26:34.680 J.D. Vance, I love the pick.

07:26:36.860 The audience knows that.

07:26:37.820 I said that day one because I have a little history with him.

07:26:40.260 Not that big, but I did go and interview him back in 17 or 18, right after Hillbilly

07:26:45.840 Elegy when I just started NBC.

07:26:49.420 And just absolutely love the guy.

07:26:51.080 Met Usha.

07:26:51.800 Loved her.

07:26:52.760 Such a young, promising, sweet, in-love couple.

07:26:56.300 Just seemed like the all-American dream, and his story is all-American.

07:26:59.080 It's exactly what you love about our country.

07:27:00.740 And he was different then.

07:27:04.880 And he was, as I said, he was like a little heavier.

07:27:06.960 He was a little softer.

07:27:08.580 He was a little sweeter.

07:27:10.100 I love this current version too, but it's just, you know, you kind of have an affection

07:27:13.180 for the version you first met.

07:27:16.060 And what I learned in interviewing J.D. on top of what I learned from his book is that

07:27:21.220 he did have an extremely difficult childhood.

07:27:23.920 He had, for sure, an abusive mom who was addicted to drugs, including heroin, who kept bringing 0.98

07:27:30.060 man after man into the house.

07:27:31.640 She also abused him. 0.93

07:27:34.680 I don't think she beat him, but she scared him a lot, like severely, and brought man after 0.93

07:27:40.100 man into the house who didn't treat him right.

07:27:41.860 And, you know, you just think of this sweet little boy who talks about sleeping in his

07:27:45.640 jeans, that they never knew pajamas, drinking Mountain Dew or Pepsi out of their soda, out

07:27:52.180 of their baby bottles.

07:27:53.800 You know, our babies had breast milk or formula.

07:27:56.080 They didn't have Mountain Dew.

07:27:57.700 And how the only person he really had, two people, he had his mamaw, his mom's mom, and

07:28:04.760 he had his older sister, Lindsay, five years older than he is.

07:28:08.440 And I met her too, and she cried talking about him and really feels bad she didn't intervene

07:28:15.040 more on his behalf.

07:28:15.780 But she was a kid too.

07:28:17.240 He doesn't hold it against her at all.

07:28:18.820 He adores and worships his older sister, Lindsay, and his mamaw, who's become this famous

07:28:23.980 figure with her 19 guns in the house when, I think when she died, loaded guns everywhere,

07:28:29.320 like in the silverware drawer, all over their house.

07:28:31.720 And that's exactly, I love that that's going to be our next vice president.

07:28:35.040 That guy gets those hard hat guys 100%.

07:28:38.340 But he also wound up working his way into Yale, you know, went to Ohio, the Ohio State University,

07:28:45.940 and then GI Bill, and then got himself into Yale Law School.

07:28:48.720 No connections, just pure genius.

07:28:51.340 Finished in two years college, and got himself into Yale Law School.

07:28:55.040 And so he's got a foot in both camps, kind of like Trump in the reverse.

07:28:59.620 Trump's born with a silver spoon, but understands the working class because he worked with those

07:29:03.400 construction guys his whole life.

07:29:04.920 And J.D. Vance is of the working class, but earned his way into one foot into the upper

07:29:09.920 class.

07:29:10.680 Writes in the book about how when he got first served white wine at like a Yale mixer, or maybe

07:29:16.860 like an application mixer for Yale, he had no idea what to, he was like, he'd never had

07:29:22.340 wine before, didn't understand.

07:29:23.600 He hadn't spent much time with Charlie.

07:29:24.880 I did not, did not.

07:29:27.520 Anywho, so long-winded way of saying, totally rooting for that guy.

07:29:32.560 Cannot wait to see what he does.

07:29:35.280 And here's a little bit of that interview where we met and I did a long profile of him,

07:29:39.880 which remains, if not my top, it might be my top, it's at least one of my top three

07:29:45.180 favorite interviews I've ever done.

07:29:47.740 What do you think?

07:29:48.500 Should he run for office?

07:29:49.860 I think someday if the time is right, and if he really feels that that's the best way

07:29:54.640 that he can contribute to his home, then I think that would be a great idea.

07:29:58.380 Why do you get uncomfortable when that idea comes up?

07:30:01.300 I just, I think that, you know, when people ask me if I want to run for office, part of

07:30:05.760 me wonders, like, do they think I just give off a used car salesman vibe?

07:30:10.240 Don't you think it's more born of hope that you could be a, you could be a real change

07:30:14.960 agent?

07:30:15.580 Yeah, no, I think that's the optimistic take on it.

07:30:17.800 I'm very flattered when people ask me, and you never say never, but it's just not something

07:30:22.260 that I think about doing right now.

07:30:25.080 It's wild.

07:30:26.500 I was the vice president.

07:30:28.720 Can you believe that?

07:30:29.680 Yeah.

07:30:30.100 Doesn't he look like a kid?

07:30:31.260 Mm-hmm.

07:30:32.100 Yeah.

07:30:32.360 I think that was 20, it was either 18 or 17, either late 17 or early 18.

07:30:36.800 I think the operative phrase there says, I don't think about it right now.

07:30:39.880 It's the right now.

07:30:40.720 Yeah.

07:30:40.840 I think he's been thinking about it for a long time.

07:30:42.320 18.

07:30:42.720 But he wasn't thinking about being vice president.

07:30:44.580 No, probably not.

07:30:45.740 I mean, I have to say, like, you gotta give a shout out to Tucker and Don Jr., who were

07:30:51.420 the ones who said, go with J.D., and that was when they were feeling very confident, because

07:30:56.000 Biden was spiraling and hadn't yet, you know, been deposed.

07:31:00.700 That's right.

07:31:01.600 But it worked out, and now Trump's got his heir apparent, and so does the Republican Party

07:31:05.840 and the MAGA movement.

07:31:07.460 So, all right, let's wrap it up.

07:31:10.280 Letter grade Rich Lowry to steal a trick from the editors.

07:31:13.540 Wow.

07:31:13.600 There's a great podcast.

07:31:15.580 I listen to it religiously.

07:31:17.660 Letter grade on this night for Republicans.

07:31:21.420 Oh, I mean, it's an A or an A+.

07:31:24.420 I don't know how you get better.

07:31:26.120 You win the presidency handily.

07:31:28.260 You might win the popular vote, taking off the table what would be an immediate argument

07:31:34.100 they'd use to try to delegitimize or minimize the victory.

07:31:37.200 You got at least, what are we at now?

07:31:39.900 I'm a little blurry-eyed, 53 Senate seats.

07:31:42.980 Yeah, 53.

07:31:43.580 And you could go higher, and you're going to win the House.

07:31:45.820 So, I was bullish on Trump pretty much all year long.

07:31:50.080 I thought he would win, because it's just the broader conditions.

07:31:53.520 I got a little uncertain the last couple days, because we texted.

07:31:56.920 This is an occasion for our text when I encourage you to go out to Pittsburgh.

07:32:01.400 So, this is beyond what I would have imagined possible for the GOP tonight.

07:32:07.200 Charlie?

07:32:08.020 Yeah.

07:32:08.500 I mean, for the Republican Party, you couldn't do much better.

07:32:12.400 And I don't know if it's going to last, but Sam Brown in Nevada is winning at the moment.

07:32:17.340 Oh, wow.

07:32:17.980 That would be, if they took all the states they'd won, that would be 56.

07:32:22.520 By the way, if they had run better candidates in 2020 and 2022, right now,

07:32:28.460 that would mean they'd be debating whether or not they're about to get 60.

07:32:32.540 This is like the difference.

07:32:34.140 Here we go again.

07:32:35.060 Not a wet blanket, but a bastard.

07:32:37.200 Don't bring the room down, man.

07:32:38.700 I'm just saying that there's two Georgia seats, Arizona, Carrie Lake. 1.00

07:32:42.840 I have to say, with these results, even MBD is going to be feeling happy and optimistic.

07:32:48.620 Oh, absolutely.

07:32:49.300 Even Michael Brendan Doherty.

07:32:50.660 I can't wait to hear his reaction.

07:32:52.540 All right, what do you think?

07:32:53.200 What letter grade for Republicans tonight?

07:32:54.840 Well, it's absolutely I agree with Rich.

07:32:56.700 It's an A or an A+.

07:32:57.960 And I think it's a win for this country.

07:33:02.980 I do.

07:33:03.380 I love the idea that the popular vote is looking to match up with the electoral so that there's no daylight that the Dems can say there's an incongruence here.

07:33:16.020 You know, that there has been a wholesale rejection of all of this stuff and this idea that democracy was on the ballot.

07:33:25.340 Well, yeah, democracy was on the ballot and this was the result.

07:33:29.220 So deal with it.

07:33:30.960 Deal with your shit on the other side.

07:33:33.260 Right.

07:33:33.420 Exactly right.

07:33:34.900 But pass back to you.

07:33:36.600 Well, I give it an A+.

07:33:38.840 I don't know how you'd ask for any better.

07:33:41.100 This was a complete, sweeping, total victory by Donald Trump.

07:33:46.140 And the Republican Party is his.

07:33:48.100 They should be thanking him.

07:33:49.500 He not only won in what looks like it may be a landslide.

07:33:53.180 He had coattails.

07:33:54.560 He brought senators over the fence.

07:33:57.960 He appears to have retained control of the House.

07:34:01.240 And it is not divided government.

07:34:03.420 It is government in control of the Republican Party, at least for the next two years.

07:34:08.300 Let's get shit done.

07:34:11.300 Let's do the priority list.

07:34:12.940 Number one, the border.

07:34:14.660 Restore all the executive orders until we get real legislation passed with the House and the Senate that you control.

07:34:20.300 Number two, Title IX, please.

07:34:22.660 That's an easy one.

07:34:23.760 No brainer.

07:34:24.300 And let's use Elon and Vivek to cut down the size of the federal government to unleash the Maha agenda that Kennedy and Shanahan have been talking about. 0.98

07:34:33.620 Get toxins and pesticides out of our foods.

07:34:37.900 At least restore us to the European standard where we can have the fries without 40 ingredients and just two or the Froot Loops, for that matter.

07:34:46.300 There's no reason American children should be suffering more than kids over in Europe just because you want to put purple in our Froot Loops versus what you give kids abroad.

07:34:55.880 Parents need help keeping their kids safe.

07:34:58.660 Those are just a couple of agendas.

07:35:00.540 Get the Trump tax cuts repassed.

07:35:03.700 Remain in place.

07:35:05.320 Keep the job market rolling.

07:35:06.720 Roll back the regulations.

07:35:08.320 Unleash energy.

07:35:09.280 Forget these green energy initiatives, these bullshit electric car things that nobody wants.

07:35:15.660 We want our gasoline cars.

07:35:17.140 We want our gas guzzlers.

07:35:19.040 Too bad if you don't like it.

07:35:21.000 Bring back the red meat. 0.85

07:35:23.280 What have I forgotten?

07:35:24.360 Have I forgotten anything?

07:35:26.800 I'm thrilled.

07:35:27.920 And most importantly to yours truly, get the boys out of the girls' sports and stop with the trans insanity on our children. 1.00

07:35:39.100 It is the women's and children's rights issue of our time.

07:35:44.120 God bless you all for spending all this time with us.

07:35:46.620 Very grateful to our audience and so grateful to you guys.

07:35:49.500 Absolutely.

07:35:50.200 Thanks for having us.

07:35:50.740 Thank you.

07:35:51.360 Charlie, you too.

07:35:52.480 And Rich Lowry.

07:35:54.340 I mean, you're just like Scarecrow.

07:35:56.580 So, you most of all, because how many big events have we done over the summer and the fall?

07:36:01.700 It's been a lot.

07:36:02.540 Right?

07:36:03.000 A couple assassination attempts, a switcheroo of the president.

07:36:06.100 The debates.

07:36:06.880 Yeah, the debates.

07:36:07.720 All the big events.

07:36:09.160 Yeah, absolutely.

07:36:09.880 You're always there.

07:36:10.740 So, thank you so much.

07:36:11.660 I know the audience loves you.

07:36:13.580 Okay, we'll be right back here in a few hours, including these guys, as we do our normal program tomorrow.

07:36:18.980 And I'm sure there'll be plenty to talk about.

07:36:21.500 We're also going to be joined by our friends over at The Fifth Column.

07:36:24.860 Thank you.

07:36:25.280 Thank you, interns.

07:36:26.580 So happy you're happy.

07:36:28.440 Much love and thank you to my team as well.

07:36:31.000 Good night, everyone.

07:36:32.100 Congrats, President Trump.

07:36:36.780 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

07:36:38.940 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 06, 2024

Trump Crushes Expectations, And Projected to Win The Election - Megyn Kelly's Election Night Special ｜ Ep. 936

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