Trump Crushes Expectations, And Projected to Win The Election - Megyn Kelly's Election Night Special ｜ Ep. 936
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7 hours and 36 minutes
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Summary
The numbers are coming in fast and furiously right now as polls are closing in Pennsylvania and Michigan, and it's still early in the night. Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cook join me live in the Red Studio to break down all the latest.
Transcript
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show's election night special, live.
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We're live right now on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111, as well as on YouTube.
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You can check us out there if you'd like at youtube.com slash megynkelly.
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We've got a show packed with some of the best political analysts in the country.
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Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Halperin, Vivek Ramaswamy, the EJs, Dave Rubin, Michael Knowles, Steve Bannon,
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the ever-popular Maureen Callahan from the Daily Mail, and so many more.
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And two of our favorites are joining us in one minute.
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The numbers are coming in fast and furiously right now.
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It's 8 p.m. in the east, and polls just closed in Pennsylvania and almost all of Michigan.
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A couple of the polls in Pennsylvania are being kept open to resolve a couple of the voting problems that they've had there.
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Meantime, polls closed a short time ago in Georgia and in North Carolina.
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Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania, three of the critical seven swing states, are now just about entirely closed.
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In Georgia, with just 31% of the vote in, Trump is plus 13 over Vice President Harris.
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If we're giving you these numbers, they're totally meaningless.
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It's like, well, a lot more percentage of the vote is about to come in, and these numbers could totally change.
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Unless it's like 80% of the vote, these are next to nothing burgers.
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But we'll tell you, because it's what we all do on election night.
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In North Carolina, with 4% of the vote in, meaningless number coming, Vice President Harris is in the lead, plus 21.
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Meantime, the exit polls show the top issue for voters include the following.
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72% say they are dissatisfied or angry, though many have hope for the future.
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Voters do not have a positive view of either candidate.
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The top issues among the voters today, democracy and the economy.
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On an earlier exit poll, democracy was up top, and then it got bounced down to, I think, number two with the economy ruling.
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But I will tell you, just based on the past, you know, many elections of covering this, wait another hour, and they will shift again.
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We try to spend the beginning of the night saying, oh, it's bad for Trump that democracy is so high.
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And then two hours later, democracy is number eight, because the exit polls keep updating with new data and greater input, and, you know, more of the voters telling these pollsters what was their number one issue.
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So it's just, you're going to have to bear with us, because really, nobody knows nothing about nothing.
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Charles C.W. Cook here as well, senior writer for National Review and host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast.
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So that's really the thing to keep in mind is nobody knows nothing about nothing.
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I mean, that's the truth at this hour of the evening, but we're all dying for data, so we kick things around.
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And I always find this is the worst day of the election campaign season, right?
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Because you're following everything so closely, and then you're suspended animation, which goes on even after the polls closed for a little bit until we get real data.
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But, you know, a big debate is what's changed, right?
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Is change actually departing from Biden policies the way Trump is arguing and going back to what he argues is a more successful model?
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Or is change just not being Trump or Biden, as Harris argues?
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Are the dominant issues sort of the affluent white issues, democracy and abortion?
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Or are they more bread and butter issues with more working class appeals?
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There are just a number of these kind of key thematic sort of things we'll be looking at all night.
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What I see so far and what I've heard from the context that I have closer to Team Trump is it's neck and neck.
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But that it's just as tight as can be, just like all the polls leading up to today told us.
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I know you're not a fan of these polls, and I agreed with what you said on the editors entirely.
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But it seems like so far it's just as tight as we were told, and it's going to be a long night.
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Yeah, it's also confusing because the first state that comes in fast is Florida, and Florida just seems to be different than the rest of the country now.
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I mean, there's a blowout in Florida, it seems.
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I mean, there was a couple polls out there that showed it tight for Rick Scott, I mean, earlier.
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But the reason I mention that is that in 2020, when Florida went to Trump, people said, oh, maybe he's going to win again.
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And then in 2022, when the Republicans won every race in Florida by 15 or 19 points, then people said maybe it's a red wave, and it wasn't.
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So it's sort of difficult to know just because Florida is the only one we've really seen called.
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So something that could be really different this year than what we've seen in 16 and 20,
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is there had been that electoral college tilt towards Trump where he could afford to lose by two, three, four points and either win or be really close.
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Because this year, if the polls are accurate, and that's a big if, we'll know more soon, the national polls have been tied and the swing state polls have been tied, suggesting maybe there isn't that electoral college tilt.
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And maybe Harris could slightly lose the popular vote or be tied and still barely get over the top in those blue wall states.
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And if she wins and does that, ironically, it'll be strength among whites, right?
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And Trump will be picking up among Latinos and blacks and winning the southern tier of swing states, but then potentially losing the election if she holds Biden's numbers among whites.
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Right. If she can keep those blue wall states, it's tough for him.
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Although there's, you know, some rumblings in Team Trump about keep an eye on New Hampshire.
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He did go there, but it's been very little attention on New Hampshire, which is just assumed to be not in the camp for him.
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And yet, you know, you could see how it might live free or die.
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True. Well, the first three or four counties I saw out of New Hampshire actually looked surprisingly good for Trump.
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Well, if you put together New Hampshire with Nevada and the rest of the Sun Belt, there's possibly a path for Trump.
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But yeah, he'd much rather do it with Pennsylvania or Wisconsin or Michigan.
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And it seems like, I mean, Halpern tonight is reporting and he'll be here in just a bit.
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And I like Halpern, but I do sometimes wonder whether he's whispering some sweet nothings out there to Republicans.
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He would deny this, but he reported the following quote.
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My reporting continues to be that Wisconsin is looking very bad for the Democrats and that Milwaukee turnout is not what it needs to be for her to win the state.
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I reported a few days ago that Republicans were feeling very good and Democrats feeling very bad about Wisconsin.
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So even though there's this whole notion that it's all about Pennsylvania, maybe Wisconsin is the weak link for her.
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We've been focused so much on Pennsylvania, which doesn't seem to be moving past the tide point.
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But Wisconsin could be sure to get it done just as easily.
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She's just got to take one from wins wins the Sun Sun Belt.
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It was constantly a little smaller than than Pennsylvania or Michigan, but it would still get the job done.
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And I've really respected Mark's work this entire cycle.
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You know, it's like the old line about your advertising budget.
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I have to say, it's shocking to me that half the country is apparently pulling the lever for her tonight.
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Honestly, Charlie, I don't I don't I don't get it.
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But a lot of politics is still about issues, which is good.
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And there are issues where the Democrats have an advantage.
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It's really difficult to get past that if you're a single issue abortion voter, which I'm not.
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And if you're in a union and you think that that's your ticket, then you're going to vote Democratic.
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So once you start adding that in, what I find more annoying is the pretence that she's not an idiot, as you say.
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You know, if you just want to vote for her because you agree with her, fine.
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But let's not pretend we're not dealing with someone here who is substandard.
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If she loses, just the way after Biden stumbled in that debate, then then the scales will fall from everyone's eyes and they'll be honest about what she is and the way they aren't now.
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And if she wins, they won't be honest for another four years or maybe ever.
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But if she loses, everyone will admit she is a nullity.
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You saw later in the day, before these polls closed, increasingly alarmed messages from Charlie Kirk, from Elon Musk.
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Now, these are two of the main people responsible for Trump's get out the vote effort saying, get to the polls, get to the polls.
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They don't share exactly why they needed people to get to the polls.
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And then Charlie sent out an update saying, OK, the polls were looking better now.
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Men have gotten out of work and are now going past 5 p.m.
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But clearly they saw something on their returns that they didn't much like.
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I mean, the Trump get out the vote effort is the make or break piece of this entire campaign.
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He's got a young woman, I think, who's running herd on a lot of it, who's supposed to be very talented.
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Think of me, I can't remember her name right now.
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But these guys seem to have been saying late in the day they weren't too keen on their numbers.
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But they're never going to say, right, it's fine.
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But this is I always thought this is kind of a risk for Trump in this race.
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Because you have to rely on one group to get out.
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Plus, they're just naturally a little bit more of the electorate, 52 percent, than the guys.
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So you've got to be nervous about the guys showing up.
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And you've got to be nervous whether you're going to get a little bit more of guys to make up for the fact that women are more of the electorate.
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If they have, Elon, RFK Jr., kind of these unorthodox voices, I think, will have played a big role in reaching these disaffected males and getting them out.
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That's been a choice Republicans have made, partly because Trump took over the party, partly because there were shifts that led to Trump taking over the party, that they wanted to shed some of their most reliable voters, middle class white people in the suburbs who show up for every election.
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But when you do that, you have to bring out people who are less likely to vote, less interested in politics, less reliable.
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And that's the challenge that Trump had last time.
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Is this election closer to 16 or is it closer to 20?
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Trump's only done more controversial things since the 2020 vote.
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But, you know, he's run a disciplined campaign in the beginning when he launched it.
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But then he got out on the campaign trail a little.
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You know, he started to leave Mar-a-Lago here and there.
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And people were bored and they were turned off and it was not a good message.
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And then I think Susie Wiles, who's been running his campaign with Chris Lasavita, they came in and were like, you're going to lose if you continue with that.
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He did show discipline and started talking about the people instead of himself.
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Last night at the rally in Pittsburgh, he did a long bit on how Elon told him any machine with any computer can be hacked.
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But why is he talking about that instead of, you know, the guys in the hard hats and their financial issues?
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But anyway, my point is, overall, I think we've seen a more disciplined Trump this time around.
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The question is whether it was disciplined enough to make 2020 J6 Trump fade from the suburban mom's mind.
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You know, the older voters who Ann Seltzer in Iowa is telling us are still mad at him and also are pro-choice.
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Like, that's one of the big things we're waiting on, whether he was able to erase that.
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I still think that's top of mind for a lot of voters and a lot of suburban voters.
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But it's clearly been his best run campaign ever.
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It was relatively disciplined for a long time in the primaries and coming out of it.
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And then it got really discombobulated when the switcheroo happened, which is a little bit weird because Trump had been telling people for years, there's no way Biden's making it to the finish line.
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And then when it happened, it just seemed as though it totally threw him for a loop.
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And then there was a phase where he didn't seem to be working that hard either.
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But now he's clearly, I mean, you've experienced it in person, right?
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This is one of his main political talents is just the sheer amount of energy, just these relentless rallies.
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Now, the downside is he wants to entertain himself as much as the other people at the rally.
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And nothing makes him happier than when the prompter goes out.
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It was clearly an ad-lib about how he wants to start a fighting league like UFC.
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With the worst fighters that they have, like meaning the best, like the toughest, against the worst migrants who are here, like the Venezuelan gang.
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I was sitting next to Sage Steele, and I was like, thin ice.
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Now, that's one of the things people love about Trump.
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It would be fun in some ways to have him, you know, as president.
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It would be alarming, I know, to some in other ways.
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But I think it would be a good time for the country, and that's something that people are attracted to.
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If we have her, we don't know what we're getting.
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And I didn't get to play this today on the show, but I wanted to show it anyway.
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So, Kamala Harris, you probably saw this, she went to do, like, a doorknock.
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And the people came out and started chatting her up.
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And then she asked them to go back inside and said, because I really want to do a doorknock.
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There's some videos that have gone around on Twitter where they put side-by-side her performance at various rallies with the exact same words, the exact same head movement.
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Where she says the same words at all the rallies?
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Well, the point I was making, really, was that everyone, to some extent, does that.
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I mean, if you make speeches, you know the jokes at work, and your timing is broadly the same when you tell them and so on.
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And it's not just that she doesn't believe in anything.
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It's that she's obviously, therefore, susceptible to being fed ideas.
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And I also find that quite alarming as the potential president of the United States.
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It's not even just that I don't know what she stands for.
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There's also the New York Times profile, this podcaster who did the interview with her.
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You know, that irritates you or you want to change.
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Well, she say it's taking your shoes off on the plane.
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She was going to maintain that bacon bits are spice.
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And there's this long, complicated negotiation.
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But Trump, does Trump do that with any of these bro podcasts that he sits down with for
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She, I mean, it's the same person who had to rehearse for the dinner party.
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That's the person who had to ask the people to go back in.
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And the person who had to come in there with her prescripted thing that drives me crazy.
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Then clearly somebody told her not to say the shoes on the airplane because, what, TSA is going
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And when the guy said, I don't want to do that because I'm Muslim, she froze.
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And then somebody off cam suggested another thing for her to say.
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I'll just make one point before we take a break.
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They portray the movie Reagan in the negotiations that we're having with the Soviets and how he
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He's hosted the Ben Shapiro Show and editor emeritus of the Daily Wire.
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What are you looking at tonight and how you're feeling?
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Well, you know, I'm feeling cautiously optimistic.
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And I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about right now.
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But, you know, the early indicators right now, I mean, listen, my home state of Florida
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All credit to Governor Ron DeSantis, who's moved that state into deep red territory.
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But there are some good sort of bellwethers there for the rest of the evening, possibly.
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Osceola County, which is a very heavily Hispanic county, a lot of Puerto Ricans live there.
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That county has broken heavily in favor of the Republicans.
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And so that may speak to the possibility that the Puerto Rican, Tony Hinchcliffe, of all of
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Obviously, what you're seeing in Georgia is a bit of mixed data.
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You're seeing what you would expect, Donald Trump not performing particularly well in suburban
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areas, but doing really well among the rural areas.
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I've heard some indicators from some rumblings from people inside some of the campaigns in
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Pennsylvania that Kamala Harris is not getting sort of urban turnout that she was looking
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But rural turnout is really, really high, which is, of course, precisely what Trump needs.
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So, again, I think that cautious optimism is probably the only proper response to the
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But one of the things that I just find hard to comprehend is the possibility that anyone
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This is the thing I just keep coming back to in this election cycle.
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I've heard a lot of people make the case for Trump.
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I've heard a lot of people make the case against Donald Trump.
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And, you know, whatever that case is, maybe it has some error.
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The thing I have never heard anyone make is a case for Kamala Harris because that case
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Kamala Harris can't even make a case for Kamala Harris.
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According to Kamala Harris, Joe Biden is just fine.
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So if you are a Kamala Harris voter, are you excited about voting for Kamala or are you
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And is being excited about voting against Trump really enough to get you up off the couch in
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the middle of just a weekday afternoon to vote for her?
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The latest exit poll and these update, as I said to the audience every hour, and these
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But right now, the latest exit poll shows the most important issue facing the country on
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39% say that's number one, 20% say immigration, 11% say abortion.
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Because earlier in earlier versions of the poll, you saw abortion up higher in state to
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But on a national level, if it's down that far behind economy and immigration, that's
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And that was definitely the Trump campaign closing message.
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Those two issues, economy, immigration, I mean, to a fault.
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Yeah, I believe you're talking there about the Fox News exit poll.
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The Fox News exit poll, one of the only issues there is that if you look at the CNN exit
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polls, which again, all exit poll data is basically chicken entrails.
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And so I always lead with that proviso when I'm talking about the exit polling data.
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The CNN exit polls had an option for democracy, democracy under threat, which has, of course,
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That one ranked number one narrowly over the economy in the CNN exit poll.
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I'm not sure that was an option on the Fox News exit poll.
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So again, very, very difficult to tell what's going on.
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One thing is for sure, Donald Trump, his vote is showing up.
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I don't think there's a question of whether Donald Trump's vote is showing up.
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The real question is whether her vote is going to show up.
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The thing that's kind of boggling my mind a little bit is the number of voters who are
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So 2020, you had this unbelievable increase in the number of people who actually voted,
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an increase about 22 million people from 2016 to 2020, largely because, of course,
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everybody was voting early and voting by mail and COVID and all of this stuff.
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And so I had sort of supposed that there was the possibility that you'd actually see
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an absolute decline in the number of voters from 2020 to 2024, because usually it doesn't
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Apparently, the returns are showing thus far that there is not only a good shot that this
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turnout matches 2020, but that it actually exceeds it by a fairly significant amount.
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And so if you were going to game this out, we were speaking with Brent Buchanan from Signal,
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What he was suggesting is if you're at 2016 levels of turnout, like low levels of turnout,
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2020 levels of turnout probably benefit to Kamala.
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Right now we're talking about it because it's the only story that anybody cares about.
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But we, honestly, I've been through this so many times.
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You know that everything we're looking at right now, all this data, all these issues, all
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these numbers that are up on the board, they're meaningless until we get later into the
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You know, in a short amount of time, we're going to start to see more on the counties
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by counties that, you know, may portend something about how Trump's doing with Hispanics or how
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But, you know, in the meantime, it's really not much more than that.
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There are a huge number of people who voted early, though.
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We've got some 84 million who voted early in this race, and it was disproportionately for
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We have a greater percentage of Republicans, people who identify as Republicans in the
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country now than Democrat for the first time in decades.
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Ben, that doesn't mean they're Trump supporters.
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A lot of Republicans don't love Trump, but most are ready to vote for Trump.
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Because they're not enthusiastic about Trump on the GOP side, but in two elections, they have
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Yeah, no, I think that it would be shocking if Republicans did not come home for Trump.
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And in fact, you are seeing some early indicators of that really, really high voter turnout in
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But you're also seeing some indicators in, like, Loudoun County in Virginia.
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Loudoun County, you heard a lot of talk about that.
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You remember during the gubernatorial race between Glenn Youngkin and Terry McAuliffe.
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That county, the results are in there, and it moved right by about nine points.
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So you are seeing a lot of Republicans who are coming home.
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How independence break, you know, totally unclear at this point in time.
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I think that one thing that we, it's very hard to read what's going to happen tonight.
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One thing that I think is clearly happening nationally, and this is very good for Republicans
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over the long haul, is the movement of population from north to south, from blue areas to red
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areas, is shifting the demographic nature of voting in the country.
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And what that means is that when we do the next census, right, in 2030, you're going to
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So right now, we're paying attention to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
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But in terms of the absolute number of electoral college votes for each state, that changes,
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So by 2030, you're going to see more electoral college votes actually shift to states like
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Florida, like Texas, like Georgia, like Arizona.
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And when that happens, there's a great possibility that by that point, maybe cold comfort, depending
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on how tonight goes, by that point, you might be able to see a Republican candidate within
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without win, without winning any of these so-called blue wall states.
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Those little sweet nothings you're whispering here on the show.
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NBC, the headline is, Harris loses ground with Latinos nationwide.
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Latino men are breaking for Trump, plus 10, 54 or 44.
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Major reversal from 2020 when they backed Biden by 23.
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That is a lot closer to what we saw in the polls leading up to today, that she was not
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And that's why they got so excited about that one comedian's joke about Puerto Rico, which
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she really did her best to make the most out of in the last week of the campaign.
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So far, it doesn't seem, notwithstanding what J-Lo told us, that they were all that offended.
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Trump's additional cutting into the Democrat lead among minority voters, that's real.
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I mean, there was a lot of talk about whether that was a mirage, whether that was sort of,
00:26:11.000
you know, just a sort of bizarre after-fact, bad polling or whatever.
00:26:15.060
That is obviously, as the results come in, becoming more and more real.
00:26:18.600
We're not just talking here about Hispanic votes.
00:26:20.080
Black men in Georgia, for example, seem to be voting at about a 25 percent clip for Donald
00:26:24.260
Trump, which is a major, major change for Republicans.
00:26:27.560
I mean, you can see these bellwether counties really moving in a serious way.
00:26:31.240
I was down in the Rio Grande Valley campaigning with Ted Cruz just on Sunday night.
00:26:36.980
And we were out there with like a thousand people.
00:26:41.480
And that county that we were in was a very deep blue county.
00:26:47.740
A lot of Hispanics, it turns out that Hispanic Americans, that they want the American dream.
00:26:52.920
And it turns out that pandering to Hispanic Americans by somehow thinking that what they
00:26:56.580
actually want is just a wide open border, like that's such a bizarre supposition.
00:27:02.880
It turns out that just telling Hispanic voters that we're going to use terms like Latinx,
00:27:06.660
which, by the way, Latino people absolutely hate because it's idiotic.
00:27:09.460
And it was made up on a college campus by a moron.
00:27:11.680
And that if you throw that out there, and then if you just say that Tony Hinchcliffe made
00:27:15.020
a dumb joke about Puerto Ricans, that somehow Hispanic voters are going to abandon things
00:27:18.720
like, you know, family, upward economic mobility, the church, right?
00:27:22.580
Things that actually matter to an enormous number of Hispanic voters across the country.
00:27:26.680
You know, it turns out that's a really, really bad strategy.
00:27:29.260
And it may be that Hispanics across the country don't actually vote in quite the same way,
00:27:32.840
that Hispanics in California don't quite vote like Hispanics in Texas who don't quite
00:27:36.300
vote like Hispanics from Florida, especially because Hispanic is such a broad category.
00:27:40.100
I mean, you're lumping in there Cubans with Mexicans, with Venezuelans, with Argentinians.
00:27:47.680
One of the things that the team, that Team Harris was saying leading into today was that
00:27:52.060
they feel good about their, quote, late breakers, that they're seeing data suggesting a late
00:27:56.720
breaking voters, people who decided the last minute are voting for or breaking for her.
00:28:03.560
CBS News reporting that in North Carolina, most of the voters decided on their candidate
00:28:08.060
long ago, 5% say they made up their minds in the last week.
00:28:12.220
And more of those late deciders went for Harris per the exit polls, saying voters who decided
00:28:18.320
in the last week went 58% for her, 36% for Trump.
00:28:25.560
I mean, I will say, I can think of a lot of nights I sat there on the set at Fox News
00:28:33.340
Somehow this candidate got the late breakers and then we'd spend hours poring over what
00:28:38.940
But I really think in this race, it's nothing that happened in the last week.
00:28:42.600
It's like a gut judgment call on Trump overall, because we all know Trump, right, versus her.
00:28:49.440
We don't know her, but they probably have strong feelings about her.
00:28:52.500
In any event, what do you make of the late breakers?
00:28:56.820
I do think that there were some unforced errors at MSG, right?
00:28:59.440
I mean, I think the Madison Square Garden rally contained obvious campaign unforced errors.
00:29:03.080
And I don't think there's really a way around that.
00:29:05.600
You know, there was an opportunity for Trump to put his best foot forward.
00:29:09.500
And instead, I think, got programmed by a bunch of people who tend to be too online.
00:29:13.980
And so that's how you end up with things like Tony Hinchcliffe.
00:29:15.980
Now, that may not have a real impact on the race, but it does remind people of the excesses
00:29:20.040
of Trump as opposed to the greatness of his presidency, and he was a really, really good
00:29:24.860
And you don't want to spend the last week of your campaign talking about, you know,
00:29:29.060
You want to spend the last week of your campaign talking about why Kamala Harris is a bad vice
00:29:35.280
And so if people are breaking late against Trump in some of these areas, I would assume
00:29:39.500
that some of that, I mean, they are definitionally late breakers, which means they are tuning
00:29:44.200
Okay, so then you just have to look at the last week of the campaign.
00:29:46.540
It's not that Harris has won like a wonderful campaign for the last week.
00:29:50.340
There have been some actual mistakes by the Trump campaign.
00:29:53.960
I mean, you pointed this out as well in sort of the last week of the campaign.
00:29:58.060
You know, I think that he can overcome that, obviously.
00:30:01.060
But has this campaign been a perfect game thrown by either side?
00:30:07.940
There have been an awful lot of errors on the field.
00:30:11.500
I mean, that late breaker number, that's going to change too.
00:30:17.120
Check him out on the Ben Shapiro show and over at The Daily Wire.
00:30:20.700
You should sign up for a Daily Wire Plus membership.
00:30:24.660
And you can see Matt Walsh's smash hit movie, Am I Racist?
00:30:38.720
He was on the program earlier and told us what he'd be looking for when the polls started
00:30:44.940
He's senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls
00:30:53.500
So one of the things you wanted to look at was Virginia 3.
00:30:57.840
Have you been able to glean anything from Virginia 3, which you said would be interesting
00:31:04.760
And we were going to see how she was doing with African-American voters there.
00:31:11.120
Yeah, I mean, one of the things we've been seeing from the exit polls so far is that Trump
00:31:16.680
is making some gains in different areas, but it perhaps may be not as large as what we had
00:31:23.900
Right now, there aren't enough votes in all of Virginia 3, to be sure, in the sense that
00:31:29.860
they are dropping some votes, but it's very heavily tilted to some areas.
00:31:35.780
So I don't feel comfortable in talking about Virginia 3.
00:31:43.720
And there you're seeing the sort of gains that you would expect from a good night, not
00:31:48.700
a great night, but a good night for a Republican, that the areas that are Democratic are not being
00:31:56.460
as Democratic as they should be, and Republican areas are coming in very strong.
00:32:02.560
This could very well be a place where Eugene Vindman, the Democratic candidate, trying to
00:32:08.680
He's only up by 4% right now, and the votes that are out tilt towards the Republicans.
00:32:13.760
I can't do the math quickly, but this is going to be much closer.
00:32:19.600
And if it's not a 7-point win for him, it's not going to be a 7-point win for her.
00:32:24.660
That guy Vindman, his sister-in-law was the one who was out there celebrating when Trump
00:32:37.020
And then people were like, take that down, you ghoul.
00:32:40.880
And then finally, somebody was like, hey, your brother-in-law's running for Congress.
00:32:45.940
And she finally was like, oh, I'm very contrite.
00:32:48.820
I wonder whether people are still holding in against her.
00:32:58.260
And one of the questions I heard discussed, it was Steve Kornacki was raising this.
00:33:02.000
Tell me whether any of this resonates with you.
00:33:08.680
It's something that had predominantly gone for Republicans like Mitt Romney by 30 points and
00:33:14.960
has been migrating a little bit more Democrat looking in Michigan at a county, Macomb versus
00:33:25.680
Wondering, you know, how much those counties would go and whether it tells us anything.
00:33:30.080
Are you seeing anything else in other counties besides Virginia 7?
00:33:33.260
Yeah, well, Fayette County has 92% of the votes in and Donald Trump is leading by three points.
00:33:40.940
And I would expect on the election day vote that that'll go up a little bit.
00:33:44.820
So the expected or the hoped for, if you're a Democrat, blue switch has not happened there.
00:33:50.600
The New York Times ticker or the needle says that Georgia leans to Trump.
00:33:58.180
And if you take a look at the exit poll, it suggests a two point margin for Trump.
00:34:05.400
Nate Cohn in the New York Times needle now says a 2.8 margin for Trump.
00:34:15.600
And part of that is lower than expected margins with African-Americans.
00:34:19.620
But all of the exit poll data and where we can see it in Florida shows massive switches
00:34:28.240
You know, we heard a lot about the Puerto Ricans.
00:34:31.440
Well, Osceola County in Florida is the only Latino plurality county in the country.
00:34:43.960
Wow. What's the other big storyline as you see it?
00:34:50.200
Maybe maybe he's doing better in Virginia seven than, you know, she would like to see.
00:34:55.240
What else are we seeing on the overall trending?
00:34:59.320
The female surge is not going to bring the Democrats to victory in an overwhelming way.
00:35:05.500
All of the exit polls show that the percentage of women as the electorate might be up by a point
00:35:11.460
or two. But Trump is winning men by much more than she's winning women.
00:35:16.140
So what you've got in poll after poll after poll is Trump winning by 12 points, 14 points
00:35:21.580
among men, losing women by seven, eight, nine points.
00:35:25.660
And what you've got is when you do the math, the fact that women are more of the electorate
00:35:30.220
don't outweigh the losses that she has among men.
00:35:33.520
And if Donald Trump wins the presidency, it will be because his margins among men are larger
00:35:42.520
And you have to say that that might be a cause and effect.
00:35:45.720
It's they might like Trump and they might like what Trump is doing, but they might also
00:35:49.240
be reacting negatively to a highly women focused campaign in the last two weeks by Kamala Harris.
00:35:59.840
Keep getting your data and we'll go back to you for an update.
00:36:02.720
I should tell the audience, the New York Times, he spoke of the needle.
00:36:05.420
New York Times projecting needle is now projecting Trump will win 275 to Harris's 263.
00:36:14.000
But I have to say, Henry, before you run, that's not the same needle that told us Hillary
00:36:18.200
Clinton was going to win 2016 by like 93 percent certainty.
00:36:22.020
You know, I since I live tweet on Election Day, I wasn't looking at the needle.
00:36:33.540
And what they do on the data side of the New York Times is very, very accurate.
00:36:39.540
If the needle says it moves in one direction, I don't think that we should discount the needle.
00:36:46.640
Your listeners may think what they want about the Times news reporting.
00:36:50.400
Nate and the data side are straight down the middle.
00:36:53.500
And I don't think you're getting any sort of tilt.
00:36:55.540
If they say it leans to Trump, it's leaning to Trump.
00:37:02.340
That's their best projection, according to the needle.
00:37:07.160
Joining me now on set, Maureen Callahan, columnist for the Daily Mail and author of the new book,
00:37:12.180
Ask Not, which is a must read on the Kennedy family.
00:37:15.700
It takes you all through the JFK stuff and the JFK Jr. stuff.
00:37:27.200
Congratulations, by the way, again, on your rally performance last night.
00:37:34.320
And I just have to say, you know, you mentioned in your speech how the media wasn't prosecuting
00:37:45.560
But you are also probably the lone voice who is naming the women and that 12-year-old girl,
00:37:51.860
Jocelyn, murdered by illegal migrants and bringing the trans issue and what it's doing to our girls
00:38:04.260
And it was just really incredible to have somebody bring that home the night before the election.
00:38:10.060
It's just been so annoying to watch the Republicans seed the issue of the female vote to the other
00:38:17.100
Like, what is she offering women other than abortions?
00:38:28.260
You know, she thinks she's going to win the female vote on the backs of abortion, which,
00:38:33.580
as you rightly pointed out, especially this past week, it's never going to be federalized
00:38:44.240
Once they open it for the Democrats to do it, it's open forever for the Republicans to
00:38:48.820
issue a ban, a nationwide ban, if that's where they go with it.
00:38:54.860
They understand full well if they say, yeah, the feds can regulate this, it means either
00:38:59.940
And if they get rid of minority rights in the Senate, then the Republicans will take
00:39:08.060
It's just a lure to get young women and older to the polls.
00:39:15.700
And meanwhile, women are being killed right now by these illegals, by criminals on our
00:39:22.560
street, thanks to these soft-on-crime DAs, hurt in their sports, women being hurt in prisons
00:39:30.320
It's just none of that, the media, total blackout.
00:39:33.980
They treated it the same way they treated those Doug Emhoff allegations.
00:39:39.200
And it makes me, as a female voter, so furious.
00:39:42.900
And it's just, you know, watching some of the coverage that's been going on just now,
00:39:47.680
watching them over on MSNBC, they're having a premature victory party, you know, and it's
00:39:53.020
just so disingenuous because they've just been nothing but a propaganda arm, admittedly,
00:40:01.920
And I have to say, speaking to Charlie earlier, before your show, he said, with certainty, I think
00:40:09.600
it's going to be Kamala Harris, and I felt panic.
00:40:24.000
I have to say, I too have had a pit in my stomach all day.
00:40:28.000
And it's, you know, it's just, I want data, and it's so hard to come by until longer.
00:40:36.480
It's like, I mean, you're waiting for a great vacation, or you're waiting for the results
00:40:44.140
But like, if you're in the doctor's office waiting to hear the results of a biopsy,
00:40:54.560
I know two ladies who would like to weigh in on this.
00:40:58.120
Emily Jaschinski, she's D.C. correspondent for UnHerd, and Eliana Johnson, editor-in-chief
00:41:12.880
I mean, it's, right now, what I feel like is for the next, what, five-plus hours, we're
00:41:19.200
going to be hurtling towards, as you mentioned with Henry Olsen, Megan, that needle, the New
00:41:23.880
York Times needle having it, like, that close, projecting a win for Donald Trump, but having
00:41:29.940
There's 30,000 ballots that need to be recounted by hand in Milwaukee.
00:41:34.000
We know already Pennsylvania's not expecting to get results until two or three in the morning.
00:41:38.460
So we have some of these bellwethers that look pretty good for Donald Trump.
00:41:42.600
Now, Kamala Harris has gained in some suburban counties, although not all of them, but she
00:41:47.360
has made some significant gains in those suburban counties, but Donald Trump is making gains
00:41:51.440
in rural counties, making big gains in Florida, as Henry mentioned.
00:41:56.200
And so it just feels like we're going to be in a situation that, you know, two, three in
00:42:00.440
the morning comes around, and we are still biting our nails about what's happening in
00:42:16.360
The New York Times, Nate Cohen, we were talking about his needle, not his needle.
00:42:30.340
The Times projecting a Trump victory, Trump 275, Harris 263, and now another update from
00:42:36.940
We now estimate Harris's lead in the national popular vote to be just over one percentage
00:42:43.440
This is somewhat smaller than we opened the night with, and it's almost entirely attributable
00:42:51.440
Across all counties, precincts, and townships counted so far, Trump is running 0.3 points
00:42:58.140
ahead of our expectations, and perhaps that's all Florida.
00:43:06.600
It's Florida, Eliana, but it's interesting because one of the big questions coming into
00:43:11.120
tonight was, are the polls, the national polls, underestimating the Trump support?
00:43:17.340
And what he seems to be saying here is maybe we're getting some evidence that they were.
00:43:23.520
And I think the other question, the other open question is, can you extrapolate some of the
00:43:30.380
results in Florida to similar counties in Georgia where we still don't know the result?
00:43:35.940
But I think one of the things we can say right now while we're trying to fill time before we know
00:43:41.480
anything really is that we're absolutely seeing a continuing realignment of the political parties
00:43:48.740
with minorities coming increasingly into the Republican Party and the Democratic Party
00:43:56.440
increasingly becoming more a party of white coastal elites.
00:44:02.420
You mentioned and talked with Henry, Megan, about exit polls showing that a 10-point shift
00:44:09.100
in Latino men toward Donald Trump and also exit points showing Trump performing as well as
00:44:17.860
winning about 25 percent of the African-American vote.
00:44:23.420
Those are numbers that would have made George W. Bush or Mitt Romney faint if they had seen
00:44:29.620
them. And it does right now, you know, I think the question that everybody is grappling right
00:44:36.340
now is will Trump's gains with white men and, you know, men of all colors, because his gains
00:44:44.420
with men are extending to Latino men, African-American men, outweigh whatever gains she's been able
00:44:51.780
You know, Emily, you're already hearing some grumbling from some on the left about, you know,
00:44:56.540
there's just people in this country who'll never vote for a woman.
00:45:00.580
And then there was the Jen Psaki line over on MSNBC suggesting whatever happens in this
00:45:06.040
election, what we're really going to need to do is crack down on social media and insist
00:45:10.900
that they be held to the same standards as those of us on cable news.
00:45:22.580
So what do you make of it's sexist that people aren't voting for her?
00:45:27.200
And the problem is these Internet provocateurs who aren't held to the same high standards
00:45:35.060
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be really frightening to see what happens if so in a scenario where
00:45:41.580
We sort of already saw what happened after 2016, which was the left kind of sprint in
00:45:45.280
the other direction and actually get even more censorious.
00:45:48.080
It wasn't really until Donald Trump hit the stage that we started outwardly seeing these
00:45:52.540
like sort of boastful calls and demands, actually, not just from elected officials, but from
00:45:57.900
normal people, normal people on the left who identified as left-leaning in this country,
00:46:02.360
demanding that they be protected from speech they don't like because they don't trust other
00:46:08.400
They think that people need to have their hands held by journalists and by pollsters and by the
00:46:14.240
social media companies to put those, it's like, you know, you're bumper bowling, right?
00:46:17.880
They need to put the bumpers on the bowling lane.
00:46:20.900
And that accelerated after November of 2016, like on another level.
00:46:26.980
It didn't, you know, nobody reckoned with it and said, okay, let's actually think about how we can
00:46:31.340
persuade and respect the dignity of these voters.
00:46:33.880
It was, we must be protected from the speech of these voters.
00:46:36.880
These voters must be protected from the speech of other voters because they will have their minds
00:46:41.360
changed in the direction we don't want. So I'm not surprised by this at all. I would expect that
00:46:45.640
if Donald Trump wins, that will triple, you know, we've seen a double down. I think we'll see a
00:46:51.180
triple down, honestly. You know, you know, this reminds me, Maureen, while I have you here,
00:46:55.440
last night there was a Twitter fight between Josh of the Daily Mail, forgive me, I'm blanking on his
00:47:01.060
last name, the guy who broke the M-Hoff story. So he got into an argument with Bill Burton of the
00:47:09.420
Obama administration. And I keep asking Tim Miller, who interviewed Doug M-Hoff and did not ask about
00:47:17.260
the allegations against him at all. Neither did Molly Jong, Fast, nobody. Joe Scarborough didn't
00:47:25.640
ask him. Anyway, I've been fighting with Tim Miller online. Why didn't you ask about the abuse
00:47:30.340
allegations? Why didn't? And he won't answer. And Bill Burton decides to weigh in and says,
00:47:34.560
why are you asking about Russian disinformation? Are you kidding me? No. Are you kidding me? No.
00:47:41.360
And Josh is like, excuse me, are you calling my information? I also just reported on the new
00:47:46.740
sexual assault allegation against Donald Trump by that model. Right. So why are you suggesting I'm
00:47:51.680
just going fishing with the Russians for disinformation? I mean, we both know that she's
00:47:56.160
not Russian disinformation. No, we know she's a lawyer. We know where she lives. We know every,
00:48:01.420
we at the mail know everything about this woman. She came to us and sat down and gave an interview.
00:48:06.340
Josh Boswell. Great reporter. Did incredible work. This stuff with Jen Psaki, one of my favorite
00:48:13.180
whipping people. I cannot stand her. You're telling me that it's not enough that the media ran cover for
00:48:21.280
the Hunter Biden laptop and that Facebook and every other major tech company in Silicon Valley
00:48:27.980
was bullied by the FBI into not covering it into they blocked the New York Post for like two weeks.
00:48:36.700
They wouldn't platform the post because we I worked there at the time. We were the only people covering
00:48:41.500
it. Russian disinformation, Russian plant. You can't authenticate it. Well, guess what? It turned out
00:48:46.440
to be real, which they've only admitted, I believe, this year after he pled guilty. He finally pled guilty.
00:48:53.760
The FBI took the stand at the Hunter Biden trial and said it was real and they knew it.
00:48:59.240
In any event, we're going to hear a lot of that depending on how tonight goes, Eliana. There will
00:49:03.620
be the sexism card and so on, but we're getting ahead of ourselves because she could win. I mean,
00:49:08.200
she could absolutely win. I will say, and this could change, but virtually everybody, not virtually
00:49:14.060
everybody I've spoken to on the Republican side, the data people, the poll people, the people around
00:49:20.500
team Trump feel very certain that the Republicans are going to win the Senate. And so, you know,
00:49:28.300
maybe they're wrong about that. Who knows? But that's like the rest of the races tonight are
00:49:33.640
important for obvious reasons. If Kamala Harris goes in there and has control of the Senate and has
00:49:39.100
control of the House, she actually might get rid of the filibuster and the Senate and our government
00:49:44.240
will have changed forever. Yeah, I want to address that. But before I get to that, one thought on
00:49:54.820
sort of the blame game and the sexism bit, you know, sure, we're going to hear that Kamala lost
00:50:02.580
because of sexism from predictable quarters, but I actually don't think that's going to be as
00:50:08.040
prominent a narrative with her as it was after Hillary Clinton lost for a couple of reasons.
00:50:14.080
The first is that she, her credit, hasn't made her gender or her race a central part of her campaign.
00:50:21.980
She did campaign on the abortion issue, but I think any Democrat would have because it has been proven
00:50:28.080
to be a good issue for them. I actually think there's going to be so much bitterness and recrimination
00:50:34.280
and finger-pointing if she loses. I think Joe Biden is going to take a whole lot of the blame.
00:50:44.380
Yeah, exactly. He'll be blamed for running for re-election and he'll be blamed for playing identity
00:50:51.760
politics with his choice of vice presidential pick when he knew when he ran in 2020 that he was
00:51:00.040
old and frail and people saw cognitive decline during that bid. So my sense is that he's going to
00:51:07.620
shoulder the host of the blame if she loses and we'll hear a little bit less. Yes, we're going to
00:51:16.000
hear it, but we'll hear a little bit less. As to your point about the Senate and the rest of the
00:51:19.940
important races, yes, that's absolutely true. There are many, many competitive Senate races
00:51:25.960
across the country. And if Trump does win, this is one reason to watch his margins. One interesting
00:51:33.980
thing is in 2020 and 2016, the conventional wisdom was that Donald Trump would be a drag
00:51:40.000
on the ticket and that Republican Senate candidates would outperform him. That is not what we've seen
00:51:48.980
this year. We've seen Trump running ahead of conventional Republican Senate candidates and
00:51:54.280
the conventional wisdom is that Trump needs to run, you know, one, one and a half points ahead
00:52:00.560
of these Senate candidates to pull them over the finish line. So, you know, for your viewers looking
00:52:05.220
for what to watch in a state like Pennsylvania, Trump needs to win that state, you know, is what
00:52:09.620
I'm hearing from people by one, one and a half, two points for somebody like Dave McCormick to cross
00:52:15.160
the finish line and oust an incumbent, you know, a longtime incumbent like Bob Casey.
00:52:20.040
Yep. It could happen there. It could happen in Ohio with Bernie Marino. I mean, we think that it's
00:52:26.120
going to happen. Yeah. And we think it's going to happen in Montana with Sheehy. Although I have to
00:52:31.120
tell you, I had a very weird interview with Sheehy on Thursday. You can go check our YouTube feed,
00:52:36.220
but he's going to win. And that's, that's good for the Republicans. EJs, it's a pleasure as always.
00:52:43.020
Thank you for being here. Thank you, Megan. Back soon. Okay. Maureen sticking around and up next,
00:52:49.760
Tom Bevan and Sean Trendy from Real Clear Politics. Sean knows those counties like the
00:52:54.220
back of his hands. And you know that Tom Bevan is a guru when it comes to reading polls and data.
00:53:01.020
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Welcome back to the show at 9 p.m. Eastern, which is in about six minutes. Polls will close in the
00:54:13.660
key battlegrounds of Arizona, Wisconsin. Arizona and Wisconsin are big. And the last four counties
00:54:19.580
in Michigan that are in the central time zone. The central time zone is also home to one of our
00:54:26.800
next guests, Tom Bevan, who lives in Chicago, and Sean Trendy from Real Clear Politics. And I don't
00:54:32.040
know where Sean lives. Guys, great to see you. Tom, let me start with you. What's jumping out
00:54:36.100
at you in the coverage that, in the data that we're seeing so far?
00:54:41.660
Well, I mean, Florida is the big number, you know, I mean, Trump is just blowing the doors
00:54:45.260
off in Florida. And we saw that in 2022 was the only place where the red wave happened,
00:54:50.380
basically, with DeSantis and Rubio winning overwhelming victories. And so here you go again,
00:54:55.060
you know, Democrats thought with abortion on the ballot down there, that that was a state they
00:54:58.460
would be competitive in. They looked at Rick Scott and thought, hey, maybe he's one of the
00:55:02.560
opportunities to pick up in the Senate. It's clearly not happening. And so that's good news.
00:55:08.000
But the question is, well, how much does that tell us about what's happening in the rest of the
00:55:11.860
country? And you look, you know, where Kamala Harris's best opportunity is, is to is that upper
00:55:17.860
Midwest, right? Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, she'd win the Electoral College 270, 268. And there,
00:55:23.420
you know, we still don't have enough data to make a decision. Sean's from Ohio. And we were talking
00:55:26.960
about the Ohio numbers earlier, and he can, he can tell you about these, but they're a little,
00:55:30.740
you know, Trump's not running as strong in Ohio as the polls had suggested. And that might be a bit
00:55:36.240
of a cause for concern. But in plenty of the other places around the South, in Georgia, Trump's running
00:55:41.780
strong. So it's, but the upper Midwest is where this ballgame is going to be won or lost.
00:55:50.280
Yeah, the Ohio results right now are close. Now, there's still a lot of votes to be counted there.
00:55:58.020
And a lot of this is going to be early vote, which is typically favorable to Democrats. But
00:56:02.420
the question isn't whether or not Trump wins Ohio, he's going to win. The question is,
00:56:07.060
does he win it by just eight points? If he does, that suggests there hasn't been the kind of swing
00:56:13.540
in the upper Midwest that we'd seen in places like Florida and Georgia. That, in turn, kind of gives
00:56:21.000
us some concern for Republicans about Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Incidentally, this is
00:56:26.020
exactly what we saw in 2022, where Florida was big for Republicans. Georgia came home for Republicans
00:56:34.820
not named Herschel Walker. You know, Virginia swung. I mean, it's crazy right now. Trump's only losing
00:56:41.320
Loudoun County by 15 points. He lost it by 25 in 2020. But it's that Rust Belt that didn't move.
00:56:50.080
Yeah. If we're talking about Pennsylvania, we just get nervous.
00:56:54.540
So what's the path for Trump if he loses all three states in the blue wall? Can he do it,
00:57:00.640
Sean, if he wins all of the Sun Belt, including Nevada and New Hampshire?
00:57:06.300
At that point, he really kind of has to pull a rabbit out of his hat. I mean, Virginia's close
00:57:14.120
right now. So maybe he doesn't come home for Harris. Like, yeah, it is a close state right
00:57:20.560
now. It's almost certainly going to be low single digits. Maybe New Hampshire. One thing
00:57:25.640
no one's really paid a lot of attention to is New Mexico. And if Trump really does bring it home with
00:57:29.580
Hispanic voters, that's a place. But these are long shots. If he doesn't win one of the blue
00:57:33.980
wall states, it is hard for him to win the presidency.
00:57:37.440
Tom Bevin, I know how you. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.
00:57:41.680
I was just going to add, I'll raise you one better. I mean, we haven't, and I'm not saying
00:57:47.240
this is likely, but obviously Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin could
00:57:52.760
come down to that one blue dot in Nebraska, right? If Trump is able to win that, we'd be
00:58:00.200
going to get a 269-269 tie and go to the House of Representatives.
00:58:03.620
Wait, wait, but stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, because this stuff confuses me. So what would
00:58:06.800
get him to the blue dot in 269? All the Sun Belt. So it would have to be North Carolina,
00:58:12.240
Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada, right? All that, all four of those. And then what number would
00:58:21.540
That would put him, that would put, he would lose 270 to 268.
00:58:26.220
Okay. But then if Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, it was gone. Correct. The congressional
00:58:32.580
district in Nebraska, which is, we had a little bit of polling out there. Kamala Harris was
00:58:37.360
ahead. This is right around Omaha. It's a pretty liberal area. It would be a, this would also
00:58:41.480
be a sort of rabbit out of the hat. Yeah. Okay. He may have a better chance actually winning
00:58:47.280
there than he does in a place like New Hampshire, but. But if he, but if he wins, what I said is
00:58:51.460
correct, right, Tom, if he wins all the Sun Belt, those four states, including Nevada and
00:58:55.280
New Hampshire, he's got, he's got it. He's over 270. If he, if he won New Hampshire, he would. Yeah.
00:59:01.940
Yeah. And I realized New Hampshire is basically anything at that point, if he wins New Hampshire
00:59:05.680
or if he wins Virginia or if he wins New Mexico, but he would have to win one additional state to get
00:59:10.980
over 270. And I'm, I'm kind of making up that New Hampshire is even a thing. I mean, I have heard
00:59:16.660
people mention that he did visit it. It's not entirely impossible, but it is not a swing state and it
00:59:21.560
is not expected to go Republican. He would be much happier if he could just win Wisconsin or
00:59:26.180
Pennsylvania or Michigan. Go ahead, Tom. It is a state that Hillary Clinton only won by 2,700 votes
00:59:32.860
in 2016. So it's not out of the, now it did swing pretty hard for Joe Biden in 2020, but in, in other
00:59:39.980
ways, this, this map is looking a lot more like 2016. So it's not out of the question, but I think
00:59:45.320
to your point, it might be a little bit of a reach. Sean Trendy, uh, Reuters reporter Jarrett
00:59:50.920
Renshaw just reported as follows. Election night jitters are hitting Democrats hard. They don't
00:59:56.880
like what they are seeing in exit polls, particularly support for Trump among Latinos and black men.
01:00:06.880
We are. Again, Loudoun County is a county that's in demographic flux and Donald Trump doesn't shoot
01:00:13.860
up 10 points just on the backs of white voters though. We can also see some softness for Harris,
01:00:18.420
uh, in Southwestern Georgia, uh, where there's a lot of rural black voters, but I'm really excited
01:00:24.040
about, uh, just from a pure demographic nerd perspective is what happens to those counties
01:00:30.300
along the Rio Grande Valley. Those were counties that have voted for Democrats going back to LBJ.
01:00:35.460
Um, Donald Trump put a crack in the wall there. If he really does push it forward, we're talking
01:00:40.900
about a whole new political chapter for that area of the country. And it's very much possible,
01:00:45.140
uh, especially in a place like Florida. One other thing for you, Sean, um, Harry Anton,
01:00:51.140
uh, over at CNN reporting that in North Carolina, we now have nine counties with 95% or more of the
01:00:57.140
vote in, I don't know how many counties there are, uh, saying Trump is matching his 2020 performance
01:01:02.900
nearly exactly. That would be good news for Trump since he won that state. He won it by a little bit
01:01:08.760
more than a point last time around, but it seems like so far his performance in North Carolina
01:01:14.440
is strong. Yeah, there's a hundred counties in the state. So it's about, it's about 9% of the
01:01:21.720
counties in, but the fact that they're all, all the vote is in and he's holding serve in a state
01:01:27.080
that he won by a couple of points suggests that, you know, he's probably on his way to that Sunbelt
01:01:32.360
sweep we're talking about. It's going to come down to the Rust Belt. All right, Tom, this is the best
01:01:36.840
news I've seen for Trump tonight. Oh, by the way, this just in, this is not great news for Trump.
01:01:43.320
Um, News Nation, Decision Desk HQ, they are projecting that Kamala Harris has won Virginia,
01:01:50.360
which wouldn't come as a surprise, but it would remove one of the states that we just discussed
01:01:53.720
as like hail Mary path for Trump from that path. But listen to this, Tom Bevin, the latest rounds of
01:02:01.640
round of exit polling just hit at 9 PM. Um, and it's got data from 10 key states, white suburban women,
01:02:12.360
and this is significant, but white suburban women here. Let me see it. Hold on. I want to get it for you.
01:02:17.400
Uh, Trump is beating Harris with them 51 47. This is the first look we're really getting at
01:02:27.080
demographics from the 10 key states. The exit polling is looking at. And so far as of 9 PM
01:02:33.240
Eastern Trump is beating Harris 51 47 with white suburban women, Tom.
01:02:39.720
Well, I mean, okay, they're exit polls. We don't ever, I mean, I've done this long enough to know
01:02:49.880
that like, I, I just throw the exit polls in the garbage. I mean, they're, they're usually wrong.
01:02:54.120
Sometimes they're, sometimes they're catastrophically wrong. So I don't, they change,
01:02:57.480
they change dramatically like hour to hour. No, it's exactly. So I, but I want to go back to the
01:03:03.400
Rust Belt for a second because you know, the, the Pennsylvania, uh, and Michigan Wisconsin's the
01:03:10.520
state where we've had the biggest polling misses over the last two, you know, two cycles, 2016 and
01:03:15.000
2020 was like six points, big ones. And it didn't get better. It was like 11 points in 2020. Yeah.
01:03:22.840
Yeah. And it will, we had a poll that was 11 points and ended up, you know, Biden won it by less
01:03:26.200
than a point. So, I mean, it, it's been a really, really tough state for pollsters to, to gauge.
01:03:31.800
And, you know, we have Harris ahead there, but by less than half a percentage point in our average
01:03:36.920
of a bunch of different polls, there is some data suggesting that Trump could win that state.
01:03:40.760
And, you know, Mark Halpern has been reporting that, you know, he, he, his sources are saying
01:03:44.280
that Democrats are depressed about what's going on in Milwaukee and other places. So I think, um,
01:03:49.320
you know, if Harris does win Pennsylvania, she does win Michigan, it could come down to Wisconsin
01:03:55.080
again. And I mean, that state has been outside of Obama's win in 08 and 12,
01:04:01.000
it has been the closest state in the country, every single election. And it's been decided by
01:04:07.320
a total, I did this analysis a few months ago, something like 60,000 or 80,000 votes in four
01:04:12.760
elections. I mean, every time again, outside of Obama, um, it's been like 10,000 votes or 15,000
01:04:19.080
votes. It's been ridiculously close. And, and it might be that again tonight.
01:04:22.600
Hmm. Okay. We don't know much. We believe we know that she won Virginia, um, according to news
01:04:30.520
nation. Anyway, we don't have our own, our own independent decision desk here, but, uh,
01:04:35.160
that's being projected. Not a surprise. Uh, these guys are coming back in just a bit,
01:04:39.160
Tom and Sean. Thank you back to you in a, in a, uh, just a little while right now,
01:04:43.960
it's just after 9 PM. Eastern polls are closing in several key states. Uh, and back with me now to
01:04:50.600
discuss it all national reviews, Rich Lowry and Charles CW cook. We have moved them out of the
01:04:56.600
red studio and over to Doug Brunt's office where he writes the books, including diesel,
01:05:04.600
which everybody should buy and read the mysterious case of Rudolph diesel now available on paperback.
01:05:08.520
Uh, okay guys. So, you know, we, we keep saying it because we must, to be honest with the audience,
01:05:14.120
we're getting all this data in and we don't know whether it's worth the paper that it's printed on
01:05:18.040
the exit polls. Um, her projected win in Virginia, not a surprise, but if the polls are correct,
01:05:25.400
that he's doing better in with suburban women, rich than she is, it seems hard to believe that
01:05:34.440
that's going to hold, but at least at this hour, that's, that's amazing. Yeah, I wouldn't believe
01:05:41.800
it. I mean, if, if that's true, it's just that the election's over, right? We can, we can shut it
01:05:46.440
down now. He's going to win. So I I'm, I'm very skeptical of that. And we have real results coming
01:05:51.000
in now, so we don't need to rely on the exit polls necessarily. And we're looking at Georgia key
01:05:55.320
swing state where it looks as though in decision desk and New York times project based on results.
01:06:00.520
And, and both of them have Trump about 70% chance of winning Georgia. So that would be a key piece
01:06:05.240
of the Southern sunbelt strategy. He needs to, to, to get to 270.
01:06:10.360
Okay. So Charlie, I know one of the things you're looking at is what's happening down in Florida
01:06:13.720
with this ballot initiative that got Trump tripped up a little. He was asked if he was
01:06:19.000
going to vote for this ballot initiative that was going to enshrine the right to an abortion in the
01:06:23.000
Florida constitution. And, uh, they've, they've come to a decision on it.
01:06:30.280
Yeah. I mean, it's a tricky issue for Republicans because the country is not as pro-life as they'd like
01:06:35.960
it to be, uh, but the ballot failed. Uh, and that is the first time since the Dobbs decision that a
01:06:45.400
state has put abortion up in a referendum, uh, and had the pro-life side prevail. Uh, the threshold
01:06:54.600
in Florida is 60%. So it, it, it did get more than 50% and that ought to be acknowledged, but still
01:07:00.360
Ron DeSantis' performance as governor of Florida will go down in history. He's shifted the state
01:07:06.840
from a swing state to a, uh, red juggernaut. He's the first governor to have passed a six week
01:07:13.480
abortion ban and then successfully defended it in a referendum. Um, I mean, this is, this is a big
01:07:19.800
moment and, um, it's incredible when you think about Florida in 2016, which went to Trump in a,
01:07:26.760
in a shock, uh, narrow victory. So Charlie, how much of it is, uh, I was gonna, I just wonder how
01:07:35.160
much of it is DeSantis or, or how much of it is transplant, transplants or the kind of, kind of both?
01:07:40.360
Well, I think the reason I say that DeSantis is the, um, the focal point is because of COVID, right?
01:07:47.480
So I think a lot of this stuff was happening anyway. And, uh, if you go back to the election of Jeb
01:07:55.080
Bush in 1998, that's really when Florida starts to, uh, shed its democratic party, um, heritage
01:08:05.720
and, uh, to stop being an all boys network type state and to start attracting people from all over
01:08:12.200
and investment in business and so on. But just a shocking number of the people who have moved
01:08:17.480
into Florida and voted and registered Republican in the last five years have done so because of
01:08:24.120
how different the state was under COVID than where they came from, which is New York, New Jersey,
01:08:28.280
Pennsylvania, um, you know, the Midwest. I think, I think you have to give a lot of that credit to
01:08:34.520
DeSantis. Yeah. Just, just, uh, if one, it just shows how politics changes, right? Ohio and Florida
01:08:41.320
used to be the swing states and now just aren't even a factor on, on the, the map. And, uh, also
01:08:48.120
if, if just, if you looked at Florida in 2022, and now I say, everything's fine. Everything's
01:08:53.240
going to work out. Everything must be great because we're crushing it. Republicans are crushing it in
01:08:57.160
Florida and now, but we don't know because now Florida is kind of an outlier and how, how a Republican
01:09:01.720
it is. Yeah. And it works the other way around. It's funny. I went back recently and I watched the
01:09:06.360
coverage of the 2000 election because I wasn't here then. I didn't even really know what was happening.
01:09:11.640
And it's funny how the hosts on the CNN broadcast that I watched, you can see it all on YouTube,
01:09:17.880
talk about some states as if they're just self-evidently Republican. Virginia is one of them.
01:09:22.680
Yeah. They say, well, George W. Bush has won Virginia. Of course, you know, George W. Bush has won.
01:09:26.760
This was before West Virginia went Republican. Oh, that's true. That, that was a shock,
01:09:30.040
I think, when it happened. But, um, Colorado was another one. Well, of course he's won Colorado's
01:09:34.040
electoral votes. Whereas now he wouldn't. Yeah. Unimaginable. Florida, I just think,
01:09:38.680
again, over a short period of time to go from what it was to where it is now. And the New York
01:09:43.480
Times Siena poll said that Scott and Trump were going to win the state by 12 or 13 points. That's
01:09:48.840
what just happened from what I've seen. And they had to publish another piece defending themselves
01:09:53.960
saying, we think we're right about this, because there was still all of this residual sense that it
01:09:58.920
was in play. But it's not in play. It's changed. It's gone. So 2000, before your time,
01:10:03.480
but it was one of the great election nights I've ever experienced, because it's so dramatic,
01:10:06.520
because it's so close, a little like tonight might be, who knows, maybe it won't be. But, uh,
01:10:10.840
the media pulling back Florida after calling it was just extraordinary. Yeah, absolutely.
01:10:15.400
Um, another piece of news for you, Charlie, for your home state, they have apparently defeated
01:10:21.480
a ballot initiative that would have enshrined the right to smoke weed in the constitution. They are
01:10:28.280
not in favor of legalizing marijuana. And, um, so Florida, I mean, Ron DeSantis is kind of batting
01:10:35.400
a thousand on this to your point. And also an update for you guys on, these are not real numbers.
01:10:41.480
These are just the New York Times is needle projection on how they think this race is going.
01:10:48.040
Um, the New York Times is now saying that they're projecting Kamala Harris looks like she at this
01:10:57.400
rate will win the popular vote. Again, this is just a guess by 0.8, which would be no bueno for her,
01:11:06.440
because in order to, you know, to carry that victory over into the electoral college,
01:11:10.600
it would have to be by most, uh, estimates from the pollsters two points or more, certainly not
01:11:17.320
0.8. Uh, they have now increased the prediction for Trump's electoral college victory from 275.
01:11:27.240
He only needs 270 to 280. They had 275 to 263. Now they're saying they project it will be Trump 280,
01:11:34.280
Harris 258. Very interesting to see them doing this. And then decision desk HQ,
01:11:40.280
which I believe is working with news nation to make calls, um, is now giving Trump a 70% chance
01:11:45.960
of winning the election. Um, all of this is a little bit of voodoo. I hate to say that because
01:11:53.400
people say it too much, but it doesn't mean he's going to win. It just means he's looking strong
01:11:59.000
to them based on the initial data. And one last point, guys, um, the New York Times has not yet called
01:12:04.280
Virginia and the New York Times is Nate Cohn has tweeted out that Trump is doing much better in Virginia
01:12:10.520
than he did four years ago when he lost by 10 points. But there are very few places where he
01:12:15.720
is running 10 points better than he did last time. So in other words, he lost last time by 10 points,
01:12:24.520
and he's doing better than that this time. But there are very few places where he's running 10 points
01:12:31.880
better than he did last time. Maybe he means outside of Virginia. I'm actually not sure what that means.
01:12:35.640
He'll, he'll still lose, but he's not going to lose by 10 points. That is interesting guys,
01:12:42.680
that he's doing better in Virginia than he did the last time. And that more and more of the New
01:12:47.800
York Times is seem to be projecting as his decision desk HQ. It's looking like a strong
01:12:53.960
night for Donald Trump, Rich. Yeah. So Charlie and I are both sports fans. So we're just talking
01:12:59.080
earlier about if you follow any game on the ESPN app, the, the percentage odds of a team winning
01:13:04.280
does not necessarily, it can be too sensitive and it just something goes wrong and it changes.
01:13:09.400
But by the way, pro all props to you on the sports reference, the, the hail Mary pass.
01:13:14.520
Rich, you and Andy McCarthy have gotten me up to speed. I have to suffer through your sports talk.
01:13:20.360
Every week. Yeah. You've learned the argument. I do. I listen.
01:13:23.720
It seems as though Megan, you know, still early, but with, with Harris perhaps overperforming some
01:13:29.640
in Ohio and, and Trump seeming strong in Georgia and a little stronger than you would expect in
01:13:34.440
Virginia, this may set up the, the, uh, emphasize that the likeliest scenario for Harris is just
01:13:41.400
holding the blue wall by the skin of her teeth, barely winning the popular vote and just barely
01:13:46.360
winning the blue wall states. Um, well, while Trump sweeps, sweeps the Southern tier. And as you're
01:13:51.960
talking about with Tom and Sean, unless, you know, there's a miracle in New Hampshire where the last
01:13:55.880
time I looked, you know, he's behind by 10 points with about 25, 30% of the vote in, uh, unless that
01:14:01.320
happens, he needs one of them. He needs, he needs one and may needs one. Yep. Yeah. And so before we get
01:14:07.880
too far ahead of our skis. So yes, the data is looking good in some ways for Trump, but we haven't heard
01:14:13.720
any promising update from, or, or not promising, just nothing from Pennsylvania, Michigan, or
01:14:19.480
Wisconsin, since we started seeing vote come in, not one. And he does need one of those, unless he
01:14:25.560
pulls a rabbit out of his hat by getting a New Hampshire, in addition to Nevada. And, um, he's
01:14:30.100
not going to get Virginia. Now we know that. So don't, don't, don't start celebrating. It's way too
01:14:36.420
early. She could still win this thing. We're just reading little tea leaves here and there. All right.
01:14:40.680
More with rich and Charlie in just a bit here with me now, Spencer Kimball, he's executive director
01:14:45.180
of Emerson college polling. Spencer, thank you for joining me. So tell us what's jumped out at you so
01:14:49.760
far tonight. Well, listening in Megan, I think you've kind of touched on Trump over-performing
01:14:56.620
where some of the polls thought he was going to be and obviously where he was in 2020.
01:15:02.480
Okay. Is there anything in particular, any jurisdiction? Is there anything you can glean
01:15:06.720
from what he's done so far? Well, I mean, if we take a look at the real key states of Georgia
01:15:13.100
and North Carolina, our swing states, that's where Harris put a lot of money and efforts into this,
01:15:18.320
into the race. You know, we look at a state like Florida or Texas where Trump is running up the
01:15:22.760
numbers. Harris really didn't compete there. So in the states where she was competing, he's starting
01:15:27.840
to pick up two, three point advantage in Georgia. And if he can hold that number, that's a state that he
01:15:34.540
needs to take back that Biden was able to take. And then same thing in North Carolina. That's one
01:15:39.360
that Harris was looking to hold. If we jump up to Pennsylvania, I know that the numbers are early
01:15:44.840
there, but the concern for the Harris team is the early vote. And I'm sure you've discussed it.
01:15:50.320
They're down about 600,000 votes from 2020 when they had 1.6 million early votes. This time they
01:15:56.060
only have a million early votes. The Republicans held the 600,000 early votes from 2020 and kept it here
01:16:03.120
in 2024. So I think as we see that vote count come in Pennsylvania, that early count, that early vote
01:16:10.680
missed by Harris might actually cost her the election. Wow. The, um, the times just moved Georgia
01:16:18.680
and North Carolina from toss up to quote lean Trump. Um, they're doing this as they're seeing raw vote come
01:16:26.500
in and they like you, uh, understand where the raw vote is coming from, which counties, which counties are
01:16:33.780
still outstanding. All of that is what goes into making projections of these states. Um, so what do you
01:16:39.060
make of that? The fact that they've decided right now to move Georgia, they moved to lean Trump a little
01:16:46.160
while ago, just the second, they moved North Carolina from toss up to lean Trump.
01:16:49.880
Well, I mean, if we take a look at like even Indiana and Kentucky, Trump is overperforming
01:16:56.200
where he was. So there's this base of, of support that's coming out beyond where he was in 2020,
01:17:02.120
which was a very close election. So as we see that in these other states, it's appearing,
01:17:06.800
it's happening in the key swing States. And if they're happening in, uh, Georgia and in North
01:17:11.580
Carolina, where he's picking up more than what's to say Wisconsin, which was within a point,
01:17:16.580
doesn't swing in his direction based on what we're seeing in these other states around the country.
01:17:22.420
And even Ohio is up around nine, 10% right now, which is in that Midwest to give us a little bit
01:17:28.160
of a taste of where that might go. But Indiana again, gives us a little flavor as well, that
01:17:33.160
he seems to be doing what better than what was anticipated. And perhaps it's the rural vote that's
01:17:38.840
coming out at a pretty strong rate and very intense rate. Uh, not just 70, 75%, like 90.
01:17:45.820
We've been discussing, we've been discussing you and I for a while now, whether Trump would
01:17:49.920
outperform his polls or whether this would be a 2022 election where we expected a red wave and
01:17:56.120
we didn't get it. And, and the Democrats out, outperform the polls. Does it look to you right
01:18:01.580
now? Like Trump is out, outperforming his polls or is it too early to say? Well, I mean, based on what
01:18:09.040
we're seeing in the States that have counted their votes, he is outperforming those numbers,
01:18:13.220
sometimes by a larger amount, four or five points, but at least by two or three. And,
01:18:17.840
you know, Virginia has case in point, he's cut that lead in half where if the idea was that Harris
01:18:23.480
had momentum and was going to carry it, you would think that she'd at least hold it by nine, 10,
01:18:27.980
and maybe she will. But right now it's a tied race. And, uh, that's beyond the expectation,
01:18:33.260
I think of what was going to be in play tonight. So far, Spencer, do you see evidence of a surge
01:18:39.460
of female voters turning out in greater numbers than expected, greater numbers than we saw in
01:18:45.340
2020 for Harris? No, not on the Eastern seaboard. What we expected in Georgia is a 55, 45, uh,
01:18:56.220
female to male split. That's what we traditionally see in Georgia. And that's what we're seeing right
01:19:00.440
now for Harris. She would want to see that number closer to 57, 43, and we're just not seeing that.
01:19:06.440
And that's why I guess Georgia has been moved over or moving over to the Trump column.
01:19:10.840
Now, as we get up into Pennsylvania, remember, there's just three States where you have to look
01:19:15.860
at Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and depending on how those play out in the next hour or so,
01:19:22.440
uh, you know, we'll see where the election goes, but there could be an early call,
01:19:26.320
particularly as those votes get counted in Wisconsin. I've got to ask you about the
01:19:30.920
Ann Seltzer Des Moines Register poll. She had Trump down three, Kamala Harris up three,
01:19:37.780
leading him by three in the red state of Iowa. You guys did a similar poll, like same time
01:19:45.000
and showed Trump beating her by 10. So diametrically opposed results. Um, you guys are gold. They say
01:19:53.740
she's gold. So what did you make of her poll? Oh, it was a great opportunity for iron against
01:20:01.520
iron, steel against steel. We see how it matches up probably at the end of the day. When you see
01:20:06.280
two numbers that are so out like that, you add them together and it's going to land in the middle.
01:20:10.300
So I would expect Trump to win by six, seven points in Iowa, but that's how polling works.
01:20:15.580
You sometimes get an outlier on one side or the other. And obviously we'll see what the votes look
01:20:19.920
like tonight. But, uh, or the early indication is that, uh, it's tracking more like 2020 and not
01:20:26.320
some, uh, different turnout than, uh, what her numbers were looking like. And what happened in
01:20:31.640
2020 in Iowa? Trump won by eight. No, that's right. That's right. And she had projected seven. So she,
01:20:38.760
she got pretty close on that one. Spencer, thank you so much. Great to speak with you. Great.
01:20:43.380
Thank you, Megan, for having me as always. All right. Joining me now, the three hosts of the
01:20:48.140
Morning Meeting, a fast growing interactive show on the Two Way YouTube channel. Mark Halperin is
01:20:53.640
editor in chief of Two Way. Dan Turrentine. Tyne is a former democratic strategist. And Sean Spicer is
01:20:59.680
host of the Sean Spicer Show. Guys, welcome back. I mean, I started the show by saying we know nothing
01:21:06.560
about nothing until we know something about something. Um, we're starting to glean little bits,
01:21:11.780
just little bits of information. I'll start with you on it, Mark. What, what have you learned that
01:21:16.660
you think is real? Well, there's nothing fully real, but I think Donald Trump is, is in a position
01:21:24.040
to win and maybe win by dawn. Uh, and the boiler room in Mar-a-Lago is very confident about three
01:21:31.100
states, which would put him one state away. They're very confident about Georgia. They're very confident
01:21:35.340
about North Carolina and they're very confident about Wisconsin. There's going to be a delay in
01:21:39.440
Wisconsin because of some counting problems in Milwaukee. But if they're right, and there's not a lot
01:21:44.580
of pushback from, uh, from Wilmington on, on those three states, if they're, if Mar-a-Lago's right,
01:21:51.180
Trump will be one state away. And he's likely to get that state in Arizona, if not Pennsylvania or
01:21:55.880
Michigan. Wait, I had somebody in my ear. Which state do you think he's going to get? You think
01:22:02.880
he's going to get Wisconsin? Is that what you said? Mar-a-Lago believes he's going to get Wisconsin.
01:22:07.640
Okay. This just in, speaking of Mar-a-Lago where Trump is tonight, uh, with his viewing party with
01:22:15.880
more than this is New York times with more than 95% of the vote reported Donald Trump appears to
01:22:19.700
have flipped Miami-Dade County in Florida, home to a large Cuban American population and one of the
01:22:25.620
state's largest counties. The county has typically voted for Democrats with Biden winning there by seven
01:22:31.580
points in 2020. And, uh, Sean Spicer, it looks like Trump has flipped it to, from blue to red,
01:22:38.980
pretty significant margin. Cuban American, Cubans are more conservative, um, Hispanic Americans, but,
01:22:46.980
you know, so it's not a huge surprise that they might be among the first to switch over to team
01:22:51.620
Trump, but it doesn't appear that they were offended by the Puerto Rico thing and, uh, a pretty
01:22:56.180
significant accomplishment for Donald Trump. Huge, significant accomplishment. I mean, look,
01:23:02.840
we're seeing some signs here. Um, I, I said this earlier today. We've talked about it in the morning
01:23:06.900
meeting. You look at Rhode Island, Joe Biden got about 60% of the vote in Rhode Island last time.
01:23:11.860
Right now, she's at 52% with 70% of the precincts reporting. That's not good. You look at Virginia,
01:23:17.900
where I live in Virginia, there was a 10 point spread in 2020. Right now, she's at 50%, 56% in Loudoun County,
01:23:25.900
Loudoun County, very voter rich for the Dems, home to a lot of federal workers, political activists.
01:23:30.720
Biden got 61%. She's at 56% with almost every precinct reporting. That's not good for the
01:23:36.540
Democrats. Right now, Donald Trump is ahead in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I don't know that
01:23:42.180
that's going to hold, but right now that's not a good sign for them. So it's, we're seeing a lot of,
01:23:47.100
of movement, whether it's Miami-Dade in Florida, Rhode Island, Virginia, that's not where they want to be.
01:23:53.620
And all of my texts back and forth with the Trump campaign tonight, they're looking at outside of
01:23:58.600
Philadelphia, she's not performing where she needs to in some of those key precincts. They're
01:24:03.060
overperforming. They're very happy with how their early vote operation went and, and they feel bullish
01:24:08.680
on Pennsylvania as well. So look, right now, this is looking very, very good for Donald Trump. And,
01:24:15.260
and also, by the way, for, for a Republican Senate that could be anywhere from 53, 54, 55 right now,
01:24:23.180
they've already secured basically a majority. All right. Let me ask you another follow-up,
01:24:27.820
Sean. Back in 2020, when Trump lost, were you getting the same, yay, messaging from Team Trump
01:24:34.940
at this point? Like, were you getting spun or were they being honest, like, rough night?
01:24:39.460
Uh, it was, it's a lot of excuses. You know, we're not seeing this now, but we still think there's
01:24:47.260
hope or we haven't seen the 18th precinct and the West side come through. I mean, they're all,
01:24:52.440
they were buying hope. They were spinning as to just stay with us, stay with us. Right now,
01:24:57.200
the texts that I'm getting are all like happy emoji, right? It's, we're killing it here. We're
01:25:01.920
overperforming there. You don't do this. You don't set those kinds of expectations. Uh, if you don't
01:25:07.820
feel like you're on a good track, right? You buy time, you make excuses. We're seeing a team all,
01:25:13.920
all over, uh, the reports coming out of Mar-a-Lago, uh, that they feel very good about
01:25:19.660
where they are. And I would also say from folks that I'm hearing in the Senate races as well,
01:25:24.640
this is going to, this could potentially be a very, very big night for the Republican side.
01:25:28.500
I'm taking it. Those emojis. I'm taking those emojis are not coming from Dan. Uh,
01:25:33.200
who I'll get to in one second. By the way, I'm at, I will just tell you, I I'm, I'm sitting here now
01:25:38.520
three flights above an election party at the heritage foundation and whatever they just put
01:25:43.960
on television, the screams basically vibrated through the floor, three floors above where I
01:25:49.660
am right now. So something's going on. Uh, well, why don't you tell them to go work on project 2025
01:25:54.740
and stop celebrating because they were not particularly helpful in this election. Go
01:25:59.380
ahead, Mark. You were going to make a point. Just to back up what Sean said, you know,
01:26:03.980
being a reporter means understanding your sources and, and when they're spinning and when they're
01:26:08.620
credible, what, what coming out of Mar-a-Lago, maybe they'll turn out to be wrong, but it's supreme
01:26:13.360
confidence. It's, it's macro confidence. It's not let us convince you of this, or here's what we're
01:26:18.160
looking at that. It's we've won these States. Okay. All right, Dan, what are you hearing from team blue?
01:26:24.120
Yeah. Well, okay. It's the opposite end of the spectrum here. I mean, Republicans are confident
01:26:30.460
and are pointing to data. They're pointing to precincts. They're pointing to demographics
01:26:34.640
that they're overperforming with or hitting their targets. The other side is just it. My side is
01:26:40.520
hope and hope is not a strategy. There is really no, uh, in, in, in none of the swing States right now,
01:26:47.560
are they saying, Hey, just wait, like in 2020 and even in 2012, the, the, the, the, the, the campaign
01:26:55.340
would say, look, just wait, this precinct's about to come in. We've hit this voter target. And this
01:27:00.480
goes back to the early vote, right? Democrats have just been saying like, Oh, it's apples to oranges.
01:27:05.720
It was COVID. It was a COVID year. Like, you know, there, you shouldn't pay too much attention,
01:27:10.380
but all the things we've talked about and including on your show on, in, in previous installments,
01:27:15.220
it looks like Trump is overperforming with, uh, black men. He's overperforming with Latinos.
01:27:20.080
Uh, Harris is struggling with working class voters. He's running up huge margins in the rural areas
01:27:25.740
and urban centers. Mark mentioned Wisconsin by all accounts, turnout, uh, specifically black
01:27:32.480
turnout in Milwaukee did not hit the desired target for Democrats. And given the, the big surge in,
01:27:38.900
in rural parts of Wisconsin, Harris would have to really, really run up the suburbs. And there is
01:27:44.640
nothing pointing, uh, that, that, that she's done that. So, you know, you keep hope alive,
01:27:49.900
but it is not looking good at this hour. Um, if you're a Democrat, Megan, I think we have the
01:27:54.580
first projection anyone has made in a battleground States decision desk. HQ is projecting Trump
01:28:00.440
victory in North Carolina, North Carolina. That's big. That's very big. Yeah. Fox news decision.
01:28:07.320
I think they'll call Georgia soon. And yep. They're the pieces. Actually, Fox news decision
01:28:12.580
desk is projecting now that Senator Ted Cruz will win a third term, defeating democratic
01:28:17.580
Congressman Colin Allred. Thank God. Thank God. It's so nice to just be able to say how I really
01:28:24.580
feel and not be on Fox where I have to pretend I don't care. I care. Colin Allred is a liar.
01:28:30.040
He wants boys in every single girl's sport. He lied about it. Five, he voted for it five times
01:28:35.800
and then lied about it. 10 more on you, Colin Allred. Goodbye. Okay. Sorry. Um, okay. Yeah. Yeah.
01:28:41.860
Decision desk. HQ projecting Trump wins North Carolina. And wow, Mark, I mean, that's huge. They,
01:28:48.400
that was, she was just there. She would, did not, we had a report. She pulled 2 million in advertising,
01:28:52.740
but then she kept going back there. So it was clear she was not seeding it.
01:28:58.140
She personally felt it was her best of the Sunbelt States. She felt an affinity for,
01:29:02.700
you know, the university communities, the fact that, uh, there was a bit, it's a, it's a,
01:29:07.020
the pro state in some ways. I, it was confusing to a lot of Republicans. My best Republican source in
01:29:13.380
North Carolina told me he wasn't even going to pull the state because he didn't feel it was possible
01:29:17.920
for her to win it. So it, it shows you that for all the change that occurred in the democratic party
01:29:24.760
and in the race, when Harris replaced Biden, that a state like North Carolina, which Biden wasn't
01:29:31.380
going to win, perhaps was always out of reach for, for Harris. And that, again, the view of a lot of
01:29:36.040
Republicans, but they had to try to have a great, an alternative to simply win the inside straight
01:29:41.240
of one path to exactly 270. And if North Carolina was her best bet, it turns out maybe it wasn't a very
01:29:47.260
good one. Mm-hmm. And so Dan, how will this be spun by the Kamala Harris team?
01:29:54.460
You mean North Carolina specifically? Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I think they'll say their best path was always
01:30:01.260
through the blue wall that they, it, it was a lot closer than it would have been if it were Biden at
01:30:07.080
the top of the ticket. Um, and they have pointed in the last few days to Georgia as the state where
01:30:13.780
they thought, you know, they had a real chance. There was talk over the weekend that late vote
01:30:18.820
was improving day by day in Georgia. They felt like the turnout today was looking pretty good in
01:30:25.160
the morning, but you know, governor Kemp has been by, and Mark can speak more to this, has been saying
01:30:31.020
that he felt pretty confident that it was going to go for team Trump. And based on the vote that's
01:30:35.920
coming in in Georgia, Trump is overperforming in the rural areas and in air and in several suburban
01:30:41.700
parts, Harris is underperforming Biden. So it's just hard to see when, when Biden won the state by
01:30:47.000
such a small margin where she's going to make up the difference right now. They are, um, the New York
01:30:54.560
Times needle is now officially changing the chance of winning to leaning Trump with a 66% chance of winning.
01:31:02.740
I mean, all the data on the New York times, basically all night long, Sean has been moving
01:31:07.620
toward Trump, leaning Trump, Trump that their latest was predict predicting the likelihood is
01:31:13.200
that Trump will win 280 to 258 in the electoral college over her. Do we put any stock in that at
01:31:20.600
all? I mean, I do recall, wasn't, wasn't it the needle that told us Hillary Clinton had like a 98,
01:31:25.980
93% chance of winning in six. I remember the damn needle.
01:31:29.140
I was there. I recall that very much. It's a very different feeling now. I was telling someone
01:31:36.500
earlier today, Megan, in 2016, we felt good, but we were told by everyone that we couldn't win.
01:31:41.320
So it's this weird juxtaposition this year. It's the opposite where all the data looked really good,
01:31:46.420
but we were told that it's going to be super close. You brought up the Iowa poll a moment ago
01:31:50.780
that came out over the weekend. I will tell you that if Trump does win, I have this pegged at 306
01:31:56.140
electoral votes for Trump on my, on my road to 270 map. If this is that kind of a night for Donald
01:32:02.560
Trump, 306, 312, somewhere in there, and the Iowa result is somewhere in the eight to 10
01:32:09.160
Trump margin, the media is going to have even more egg on their face. I mean, the idea that
01:32:14.020
they ran with some of these narratives really shows that they didn't take the time to understand
01:32:18.860
the electorate. After the 2016 election, I sat down with the most senior people at NBC News
01:32:24.100
at, uh, uh, right days afterwards. And the direct quote was, we missed it. We didn't get you folks.
01:32:30.740
And as a result, they, uh, their, their sort of resolve was to put up pop-up bureaus and quote,
01:32:36.280
fly over country to understand the Trump voter. Uh, I think we're going to have the whole same
01:32:41.280
conversation over again, which is how did you guys miss this? And the answer is they ignored key signs
01:32:47.080
that they didn't want to pay attention to. And then as soon as they tried to understand it,
01:32:50.880
they started writing books about white rage and how terrible the flyover country is and how we
01:32:56.100
shouldn't be listening to those people ever again. I saw them all over on MSNBC pushing these books.
01:33:00.640
Go ahead, Mark. Two things. One over on MSNBC, both Lawrence O'Donnell and Jen Psaki are now
01:33:07.220
ruminating on the evils of the electoral college. Uh, that doesn't sound like a gang that thinks that
01:33:12.200
thinks that they're going to win the election under the rules of the electoral college.
01:33:15.700
The other is just to clarify, the New York times needle is exactly as accurate as a broken Ouija
01:33:20.860
board. That's, that's, that's how you should consider its rigor. Why are we looking at the
01:33:27.320
needle? We have nothing else to look at. That's why go ahead. Keep going. It's funny. It's funny.
01:33:30.980
It's funny to look at. I think that what you're seeing in the exit polls and the exit polls aren't
01:33:34.660
necessarily going to be right. And even the final versions are, you know, treated like stone tablets.
01:33:39.500
They're really not. But what you're seeing is Trump doing well with all the groups that
01:33:44.200
he's been doing well with and that the Democrats said, wasn't going to happen. He's doing well
01:33:49.020
with black voters, including black men. He's doing well with Hispanic men. He's doing well
01:33:53.200
with independence. And this whole notion, it's one of the biggest mistakes Democrats have made
01:33:57.660
and the media have made about Donald Trump since 2015. This whole notion that he's all about the
01:34:02.060
quote unquote extreme MAGA base is just not true because the reason he's on the precipice of being
01:34:08.760
reelected is because he's, he's found a way to appeal on issues, not on personality, not on style,
01:34:15.580
but on issues to a lot of people who are not normally thought of as the extreme MAGA base.
01:34:21.360
Yeah. And Megan, these signs have been apparent that these signs started appearing in the beginning
01:34:27.500
of this calendar year. I mean, they were present during Biden's run and when Harris got the nomination,
01:34:35.780
which is the vote, the groups that Mark just mentioned, aren't just dissatisfied with the
01:34:41.500
Democratic Party. They affirmatively like Donald Trump on policy. And that is such a harder thing
01:34:48.120
to break a voter away from somebody who likes someone than if they're just sitting out and
01:34:53.340
thinking like, I won't vote. And that, you know, it's just, it's been plain as day, a lot of these
01:35:00.040
problems and it's playing out. And I'll just add that, you know, I tip my hat to David Plough and the
01:35:04.820
Harris campaign in the last week and a half, they really did kind of turn the public tide,
01:35:11.100
the Titanic maybe might be a better way to put it as this night goes on, that they had a chance
01:35:16.360
and they kind of threw out like different shiny red balls that both within the party and the media
01:35:21.960
latched onto that, you know, oh, we're seeing late breakers are going two to one to us and, oh,
01:35:29.060
we like what we see with who's left. But they were not talking about the problem with Black men,
01:35:34.700
the problem in the suburb, like all these areas that they were having problems. And it is amazing
01:35:40.040
how many Democrats came into today feeling optimistic, even though there was no concrete
01:35:45.460
data that backed that up. I mean, I do tip my hat. They recognize the problem with Black men. They sent
01:35:51.100
Barack Obama out to shame them. That didn't seem to work well. Shockingly, that doesn't actually
01:35:56.760
move the needle. But Dan, let me ask you this. Is there anything good on the Democratic side?
01:36:02.580
Because I don't want to get ahead of ourselves and start assuming Trump's got this when it's only
01:36:08.140
936. I will. I am not looking at my phone right now. But when I last did, there were not many bright
01:36:17.040
spots. I'm curious, some of these Senate races, does a Bob, you know, obviously we have to think
01:36:21.120
about Pennsylvania on the presidential level. But, you know, does Bob Casey survive? Does Tammy
01:36:25.820
Baldwin? Does Elise Slotkin in Michigan? I'm watching Nevada. Does Jackie Rosen hold on
01:36:33.980
out there? The NRSC pumped a lot of money in the last week. You know, the House, we've talked about
01:36:40.440
it on the morning meeting. We started this year, the calendar year, saying that the Democrats were
01:36:46.500
going to potentially get the House back because it was a presidential year. Harris was going to do
01:36:51.000
really, or Biden, we're going to do really well in the New York and California suburbs. And this was
01:36:56.660
the secret taking the House back. Now we're ending this election cycle talking about how strong Trump
01:37:01.560
is on Long Island, how strong he is in blue suburbs. And there's pessimism. I mean, the House is going to
01:37:08.040
be close. But the optimism that was there a couple months ago has slowly dissipated. And House races
01:37:16.020
trickle in later, you know, often over a week or two, but not looking good right now on team.
01:37:22.280
Go ahead. Go ahead, Sean. Megan, real quick. I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to go in a second. But just
01:37:27.140
real quick, Trump continued to grow his lead in Virginia. It's not huge, but he's continued to
01:37:31.720
grow it in Rhode Island, almost, you know, almost 80% of the precincts and Kamala Harris stuck at 53%.
01:37:37.760
Again, that's down from 60 where Biden was. But Dan, I did I did have a source in Wilmington that I just
01:37:43.720
checked with some good news for you. If you're at the headquarters in Wilmington, there's a bar in
01:37:48.580
the back with a shorter line. That's that's the good news for team heirs tonight. We have water here
01:37:55.460
tonight. Yes. Oh, we got booze here in the red studio. You guys will come the next time. Mark,
01:38:00.560
Dan, Sean, we will see you in just a bit. They're coming back to join us after a short time.
01:38:04.580
Thank you, Megan. Don't go too far. Back with me now on set are Rich Lowry and Charlie Cook of National
01:38:09.000
Review. I'm starting to feel less less of the pit in the stomach. I'm starting to feel better.
01:38:13.600
I don't want to count chickens. It's scary. Right. Because we've seen these things flip.
01:38:18.100
Remember 2020. Right. Go to bed. I think Trump has won. You wake up the wave. I don't know that
01:38:25.320
this is even possible this time around, however, because the mail in vote is just not what it was
01:38:30.660
in 2020. Yeah. So if you're a Democrat, I think that the hope is what seemed always the most likely
01:38:35.900
path for her is still there. Right. We barely know anything about the blue wall, Pennsylvania,
01:38:39.820
Michigan or Wisconsin. Now, it's important for Trump. He seems to have secured North Carolina.
01:38:45.000
Georgia is trending that way. I have a friend in Georgia. They just moved Arizona to a lean
01:38:49.840
R and The New York Times as opposed to toss up. And if you believe the exit polls, he's winning
01:38:54.240
45 percent of the Hispanic vote, which bode well in Arizona and perhaps probably Nevada as well. But
01:39:00.540
even if he wins those, he needs Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania. So if he's just winning
01:39:07.140
North Carolina and Georgia, you can forget about Arizona and Nevada if he wins Pennsylvania.
01:39:11.280
But he's going to need one of those. And we just don't have any data what's happening there. So
01:39:18.300
this seemed the stronger states for her. And we don't have the returns yet. That would be my big
01:39:23.760
note of caution. These are just harbingers, possibly, though, of Trump's strength and that
01:39:29.220
he's running better with certain groups. And those groups also exist in these other states. And also that
01:39:35.140
she's not running away with it with women in particular. They don't seem to be getting
01:39:39.600
her over the hump in North Carolina or now, again, Georgia has moved to lean R. Arizona has moved to
01:39:46.500
lean R. So what she needed, the groundswell of women, it doesn't seem to be working, at least in
01:39:53.500
the Sun Belt, Charlie. Yeah. So same caveat. She can win those three states and win the election. And it's
01:39:58.700
what, 270 to 268. And then there'll be a lot of fighting over the census, which was done really
01:40:04.900
badly. And if it had been done better, you've got to blame Republican governors to some extent for
01:40:08.740
this. Can you explain this, too? Because this has been an ongoing. Yeah. So wait, wait, let me just
01:40:13.020
interrupt you. Fox News decision desk projects a win for Harris in New Hampshire. Okay. That's
01:40:17.560
interesting. Now, Trump made an unexpectedly strong showing, they report. But Harris's success in urban
01:40:23.420
centers and suburban areas secured her victory. So that does eliminate one path. That eliminates a path
01:40:29.100
for Trump that would be the Sun Belt, including Nevada, plus New Hampshire without it. He needs a blue
01:40:33.980
wall. Sorry, keep going. Right. So I forget the exact allocation, but Florida, Texas, I think North
01:40:40.800
Carolina, maybe Georgia should between them have an extra three electoral college votes if the census had
01:40:47.660
been done properly. Now, this gets very complicated and there's fights over it. And from what I
01:40:52.540
understand, there was not enough attention paid to this by the governors of those states. And I think
01:40:58.580
they should have taken electoral college votes away from California, maybe New York, one other state.
01:41:03.740
The point is, is that if she ends up winning 270 to 260, it's totally fine. Those are the rules we
01:41:08.820
have. It's a legitimate win. But a lot of people are going to say, why didn't you fight to get that
01:41:13.440
extra vote for Florida? Because if she had lost Georgia and North Carolina and Arizona right now under
01:41:21.220
that proper apportionment, then Trump would have won. Wow. So then he wouldn't need a blue wall.
01:41:26.260
Right. So that's at least by 2030 that the blue wall strategy is going away because those Sun Belt
01:41:33.420
states have just gained so many people. So I just want to be very clear. I'm not saying she won't have
01:41:37.040
won legitimately. She will. But you're going to see a lot of complaining about that. So that caveat aside,
01:41:42.220
I mean, if if it is true that Trump is doing really well with women relative to expectations,
01:41:49.100
better in the suburbs than expectations and better among Hispanics, then a lot of people,
01:41:55.580
myself included, are just going to have to reevaluate how we saw how he interacted with the electorate.
01:42:00.780
Right. Because, you know, one of the arguments that I have many arguments against Trump,
01:42:05.260
I've made them on the show, I didn't vote for him for the as a result. But one of the analytical
01:42:08.640
arguments that I've made is that he is very weak around suburban women. And, you know, there was
01:42:13.440
that there was an aversion there. If big if if that's not true, well, then you've got to reimagine
01:42:18.480
it. Right. It's hard to believe it's not true. You know, net net. I mean, it really is like all
01:42:22.940
the polls showed this gender gap. It was the main story of this entire election. But of course,
01:42:27.820
we've gotten the main stories wrong before. So I suppose. Yeah. To Charlie's point,
01:42:32.560
Russ Douthat in The New York Times had an arresting formulation about this. He was talking to some
01:42:37.060
never Trump colleagues. Of course, they're all never Trump there. So that's that's I'm not defining it
01:42:41.900
very narrowly. But I said, what if I told you in 2016 where you're against Trump and he thought
01:42:46.580
you'd go away in aberration that there'd be a Republican nominee in 2024 who'd be overperforming
01:42:52.360
among Hispanics, probably overperforming among black men, have the most exciting, adventurous
01:42:57.300
entrepreneur on his side, have a Kennedy on his side, a former Democratic congressman on his side,
01:43:03.000
winning on the three most important issues in the election. Wouldn't you have thought, you know,
01:43:06.560
well, we won. But that's all happened. Right. With with Trump. So it just it goes to
01:43:11.520
just extraordinary quality he has to say, like any of these last things that have been
01:43:16.620
controversies the last week and a half probably would have sunk most people just in the week
01:43:20.180
and a half. Right. And then you go 10 years of that and he's stronger than he's ever been.
01:43:24.440
And on the cusp of the presidency, it's just an extraordinary political and personal achievement.
01:43:29.980
I really think part of it goes back to the fact that people feel like they know Donald Trump.
01:43:33.860
They forgive all these things because they they feel they know his heart, his character.
01:43:37.920
And they're just quick to overlook all of that in the same way that, you know, I don't know.
01:43:42.400
I liken it to sort of my relationship with my husband. I always have the most generous lens
01:43:46.140
on him. I don't jump to, oh, he did that evilly or because he wanted to hurt me. I always jump to
01:43:50.400
he loves me and we're good. And I think they have the same lens on him. Stand by, guys. Joining me
01:43:54.860
now, former 2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy. He's live from Mar-a-Lago, where the
01:44:00.640
president is right now, the former president. Vivek's also the host of his own podcast called
01:44:05.020
The Truth Podcast. Vivek, welcome back to the show. What do you make of what we've seen
01:44:11.880
Look, I'm, you know, I'm in Mar-a-Lago, so I got to say, got to make sure I'm not a subject
01:44:16.600
to my own algorithmic or even now physical echo chamber. But I do think that it's going
01:44:21.180
not well, but very well, actually, for Donald Trump, for Republicans. Typically, even if you're
01:44:27.200
looking at counties where historically this haven't been contested in contested states, these
01:44:32.180
things still don't have correlations for how it's going across the board. And so the atmosphere
01:44:36.460
here is, you know, I stepped out of this dinner I'm in, but just given to you in kind of real
01:44:40.420
time, very positive. And I think very positive for a good reason. And I think we could be
01:44:45.640
looking at a big majority in the Senate. And I think we're going to be looking at potentially
01:44:49.480
an earlier than even expected call for Donald Trump, where we are not going to be waiting
01:44:54.320
days for this to play out. That's where we are right now.
01:44:56.740
Has it gotten more positive over the past two hours and 45 minutes?
01:45:04.220
Yeah, yeah. No, I think it is. I think over the last hour and a half, I think it has become,
01:45:10.800
I think the environment's palpably more positive. And, you know, I think for good reason based
01:45:15.280
Well, let's talk about that. Because what do you make of the thing that Rich was just
01:45:18.160
saying about how, you know, there's Trump, of course, is his normal controversial self,
01:45:24.860
but it does not appear at least so far to have resonated with these core groups that we were
01:45:31.040
told might be repulsed by the comics comment at MSG. He's doing very well with Hispanics or
01:45:39.180
whatever else he's done. It seems like she's not crushing him with the women. I mean, what do you
01:45:43.900
think it is about Trump and Trump's messaging that has gotten him here?
01:45:49.360
I think it's a little bit different than something that's about Donald Trump or whether it's his,
01:45:53.580
you know, sense of humor or sense of ability to people to relate to him, which I think is a valid
01:45:57.720
point you made, Megan. I think it's something different this time, which is the fact that this
01:46:01.200
is a historic election where you get to actually compare a guy who was actually in office for four
01:46:07.040
years and was out of office, but very visible as the opposition for four years as well.
01:46:11.320
So I think it was like, what, Grover Cleveland the last time the United States of America had this,
01:46:15.100
what was the late 1880s. So since then, we haven't had that opportunity. And I think what
01:46:19.000
you're seeing here is nothing that Donald Trump says, let alone some comedian introducing him
01:46:23.120
who he didn't know about in Madison Square Garden as a proxy. That's not going to shake people's
01:46:27.160
opinion of a guy who they've had as their U.S. president who was making policy decision and personal
01:46:33.080
decisions by Twitter, whether or not you like it, that was Donald Trump. And we've had him for four
01:46:37.960
years. And so I think in some ways, the idea that even in the late stages of this race,
01:46:43.180
that some small thing that he said, or a surrogate said, or a non-surrogate said could somehow tip this
01:46:48.420
race, no matter how the media wanted to spin it, was a bit of probably a wishful myth from the people
01:46:53.040
who oppose him, like him or not, that people know exactly what they're getting. And I think that
01:46:57.640
that's part of what made this race so unshakable. Try as they might, and every method they did try,
01:47:03.960
and we can sort of delineate and beat that dead horse many times over from ballot removals to,
01:47:09.480
you know, frankly, for crazy people, assassination attempts to switching a candidate at the top of
01:47:13.760
the ticket. Nothing really, I think, was capable of shaking this through the end because people know
01:47:19.120
exactly what they're getting with them. And that's what they're voting for is what they got for those
01:47:23.340
four years. That's at least what I see in this.
01:47:25.060
Not to mention the lawfare. So what do you think, Vivek, while I have you, I got to ask you the
01:47:31.360
speculative question. I mean, if he does win this thing tonight or overnight, explain what you think
01:47:37.980
will happen, you know, because we look at this team that he's put together, yourself included,
01:47:43.040
and Nicole Shanahan put together this great closing ad. It was sort of like the Marvel superheroes,
01:47:47.700
all these unusual friends coming together, right? From Bobby Kennedy to you, to Nicole, to Elon,
01:47:56.740
JD, you know, what, it's just, it's something we haven't seen before in modern political history.
01:48:02.640
What does that look like as Trump takes the oath of office?
01:48:06.980
Yeah, look, I think that, I mean, most of that group that you named is right here. I think maybe
01:48:11.140
everyone in that group is here tonight. And I think one of the things that's remarkable about it is that
01:48:16.200
we don't all agree on a hundred percent of nitty gritty policy questions. And that's part of what
01:48:20.740
makes this new kind of alliance a beautiful thing in American politics to say that we agree on the
01:48:25.820
basic rules of the road, even if we have some policy differences on what level of state action or
01:48:31.760
muscular state intervention we want in some particular economic question. Those are questions
01:48:36.420
for another day. So I think what we're going to see in phase one of this as Donald Trump takes
01:48:40.280
office in January 20th is, I hope, and I think it's going to be the case, Megan, a kind of national
01:48:45.580
unity we haven't seen in a really long time. Multiple former Democrats involved in some way,
01:48:50.920
multiple independents, multiple of us who ran against Donald Trump, multiple people who are
01:48:55.020
outsiders coming from the world of business to go in and shake up the government. And I don't think
01:48:59.360
we're going to go incrementally. I think we're going to go, I think we're going to go big, go big,
01:49:05.260
go early. And I think that that's good for the benefit of the country. And I think that's going to be
01:49:09.640
a phase of uniting the country against the bureaucracy, against the unelected managerial
01:49:14.940
class and three-letter agencies that have for too long been making policy. I think that's going to
01:49:19.040
be phase one of those. I think necessarily because of the fact that, you know, this was not people who
01:49:24.840
are 100% policy aligned on every micro question. I think if you roll this forward two, three,
01:49:29.060
four years, you're going to see healthy then debates emerge within the America First movement
01:49:34.020
itself about the level of state interventionism we want. Do we want to use the regulatory state
01:49:39.640
to accomplish our objectives? Or do we want to get in there and actually finish the job of just
01:49:43.280
shutting it down all the way? Where are we on questions of declaring economic independence from
01:49:47.780
China versus, you know, trade that's required to enhance that or make that happen? Where are we on the
01:49:52.360
question of legal immigration? We're all vehemently opposed to illegal immigration, but where are we on
01:49:57.460
legal immigration? So I think it's going to come in two phases, where in the first phase of this,
01:50:01.600
we're going to see a kind of unity that goes beyond just unity in the Republican Party, but frankly,
01:50:05.980
unity for the country by bringing together this truly diverse and not in the democratic identity
01:50:11.000
politics sense of diverse, but an actually diverse coalition that revives and infuses, I think,
01:50:17.260
a kind of spirit we've been missing in our national character for a long time. And then I think that
01:50:22.140
will lay the groundwork for what I think can be some healthy, constructive debates on some of the
01:50:27.160
smaller but still more important policy questions in the long run for the Republican Party.
01:50:31.460
And I think the America First movement will be stronger for having that debate, but I think
01:50:34.820
that's not going to come in year one. I think in year one, we're going to see a level of unity around
01:50:39.920
the basic rules of the road from free speech, meritocracy, self-governance, shutting down the
01:50:45.840
managerial administrative state. I think those things, that diverse coalition you described is rock
01:50:51.360
solid on. And then I think we move this movement forward from there.
01:50:54.340
Wow. This is a vision in to what could be if Donald Trump actually wins this thing tonight and
01:51:00.940
possibly maintains control of the House as the Republican Party and wins over control of the
01:51:07.900
Senate. Vivek, all the best. Great to see you. Thank you.
01:51:14.800
Wow. I just want to tell you one story about Vivek before I bring on my next guest. Years ago,
01:51:20.360
years ago, I had a woman on the show who got fired over some BS cancel culture nonsense because she
01:51:29.420
stood up against the DEI stuff being shoved down her throat. And I've never told this story before,
01:51:36.360
but I got a call after the show from a friend of Vivek's and I didn't know Vivek. And he said he
01:51:42.840
wants to help her. And he volunteered to pay her legal fees in going after. And that he wasn't even on the
01:51:49.120
national scene yet. I'm like so proud of him that he's gone from this guy who just like was on the
01:51:56.580
outside looking at it and said, how can I help? This is nonsense. Was a real warrior against the
01:52:01.720
woke DEI nonsense, which is all but collapsed. It's not done, but it's collapsing. The Democrats
01:52:07.280
didn't even run on it. They ran away from it. The New York Times did an article on that.
01:52:10.220
And now look at him on an inner circle of power, part of the possible Marvel team if Trump wins,
01:52:16.420
and he may not, but if he does. So good for him. Okay, coming up, Eric Bolling will join us. Steve
01:52:22.760
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01:52:32.060
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Well, while we were on break, look what Charlie Cook did. Check it out. Hold on. Yes, he's enjoying
01:53:55.820
Well, you don't know what to root for. You don't like Trump and you don't like Karis.
01:53:58.580
Karis? I'm very much rooting for a Republican Senate.
01:54:04.620
And the House. I'm a Congress guy. I want a Republican Congress and this is... Also,
01:54:13.260
I mean, you will... You may not like Trump, but you will like that shrinking of government
01:54:18.820
that Vivek was talking about. Elon with his big scissors cutting. Right?
01:54:24.660
Yes, Charlie's got a strong libertarian streak in it.
01:54:27.020
Yeah. And also, I mean, look, this is the thing is that whichever one of them loses,
01:54:32.820
So there's comfort to you in that? Is that what you're saying?
01:54:37.420
There's... The only person who can't stand more than Trump is Kamala Harris.
01:54:40.520
Okay. Joining me now is Eric Bolling. He's host of the newly launched podcast, Bolling.
01:54:49.280
I'm feeling great, Megan. How are you? Thanks for having me back. I'm a little jealous of the
01:54:52.480
martinis, to be honest with you, but... I know.
01:54:56.940
Next time you come up here, we'll pop them open early. So, I mean, you know, it's like,
01:55:01.740
we're all feeling kind of like, oh my gosh, is he winning? Is he winning? And yet, there's been
01:55:05.960
absolutely no data to suggest he's winning in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Michigan yet.
01:55:11.780
So, you know, I crunched these numbers, Megan. It's what I do. It's almost like Rain Man. I don't
01:55:20.000
know what it... There's a sense. I get this gut in 2016. I just... I felt it was going to happen
01:55:25.600
leading into the election, election night. I'll never forget. We were on set together at some
01:55:29.640
point, and North Carolina flipped, and we called it... Fox called it for Trump, and I said,
01:55:34.120
that's it. And it was so clear to me. 2020 was a different story. I never felt confident.
01:55:39.520
I haven't felt as confident in Trump winning since 2016 until about two days ago, and there
01:55:46.960
were so many things that were falling in line. I believe now it's going to be a landslide.
01:55:52.580
I don't think it's going to be eked out. I don't even... Listen, Pennsylvania can fall either...
01:55:57.600
This is going to be a Trump red wave, and I've not said that really too much this whole election
01:56:03.420
cycle. Maybe not in six or seven years since 2016 or eight years since 2016. This is...
01:56:09.280
It's all going his way. It's like a football game, or a basketball game, any sporting event
01:56:14.720
where the momentum shifts, and you can feel it shifting. You're in the stands watching,
01:56:18.840
or you're playing. You can feel the momentum going your way or the other way. She came
01:56:22.540
out of the box. She raised a half a billion dollars in a month. She had the momentum.
01:56:26.520
She was African-American, a female. Everyone loved it. It was something different. They loved
01:56:30.100
it until one thing happened. I will tell you that the inflection point for Kamala Harris
01:56:36.260
from going from the leader to where she is right now, I think it's going to be a bad
01:56:40.040
loss for her, was when that local Philadelphia reporter, a local reporter, not NBC, I don't
01:56:45.940
even know which affiliate it was, asked Kamala Harris off to the side of one of her rallies.
01:56:52.420
He says, how will you fix inflation? And then she gave her... I come from the middle class,
01:56:58.180
and I had my lawn. Rich is nodding his head, yes. How will you fix inflation? And she had
01:57:04.740
nothing. She was a deer in the headlights. And I think the rest of the media realized,
01:57:09.100
wow, we've really been pumping up someone that's not the candidate we thought she was
01:57:13.940
going to be. And then the media started to jump on her a little bit. The View asked her
01:57:18.280
what she would do differently. She said absolutely nothing. And then that NBC interview, I can't
01:57:22.960
remember who it was. It wasn't Kirsten Welker. It was another female MSNBC host, I believe.
01:57:29.080
Well, no, even before Stephanie Rue. Oh, yeah, Hallie Jackson. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes,
01:57:33.620
Hallie Jackson, who really laid into her, and she had nothing. She had an air ball. So the
01:57:38.640
momentum went towards Trump. And again, momentum is everything in presidential elections. She almost
01:57:45.840
got the momentum back on Madison Square Garden night when the roast comic made a joke about
01:57:51.380
Puerto Ricans being garbage, which I think was an absolute misstep by the Trump campaign. They
01:57:56.580
messed up. They should have vetted that joke and pulled it. I don't care. They're going to get mad
01:58:00.180
at me for saying this. But this is what you do when you're in PR and you're in campaigns. Yeah,
01:58:05.900
you let people be themselves. But that should never have been uttered there. Now, it could have been
01:58:11.760
much worse. But Joe Biden bailed Trump out by calling every Trump supporter or half the country
01:58:18.000
garbage as well. In fact, I saw your Halloween costume so appropriately and well-worn, Megan.
01:58:24.380
So the momentum was trying to go back to Kamala Harris. It was that. And then when they finally
01:58:31.080
said only dumb and unintelligent women follow Trump, wow, when Cuban said that, you lit up,
01:58:40.460
you lit him up, and then you go into Pennsylvania. I think they never were able to get the momentum
01:58:45.520
back. And they're just the fat lady singing, Megan. It's probably that they're eating the dogs. They're
01:58:51.400
eating the cat song right now. OK, listen, this this data just in, I just said there's not there's
01:58:59.600
nothing from the blue wall states right now to suggest that Trump is winning. That's still true.
01:59:06.840
But there is some good news in Pennsylvania via NBC. Right now, Trump is polling with whites
01:59:16.220
just a little bit worse than he did in 2020. He was 57 percent then. He's 54 percent now. You know,
01:59:21.860
he lost Pennsylvania last time around. With blacks, he's polling 2 percent better than he did. He was
01:59:26.900
at seven. Now he's at nine. With Latinos back in 2020, he had 27 percent of the vote. And now he has
01:59:32.780
42. There it is right there. If he wins Pennsylvania, Eric, the Latino vote appears to be turning out
01:59:42.140
significantly for Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. That's the vote she courted heavily over the
01:59:48.600
past week because she thought she was going to use that vote, that comics joke. She told us that she
01:59:55.000
got Jennifer Lopez out there who literally knows nothing about anything besides marrying a bunch of
02:00:00.260
people. He told us that Puerto Ricans were going to be outraged over this stupid joke.
02:00:07.000
And it does not appear to have done what Kamala Harris hoped it would do, at least not so far.
02:00:14.060
So one joke turns out one joke didn't override four years of the borders are looking the other way on
02:00:20.700
the border. Eight or nine million people. It turns out Latinos are pissed off about that because
02:00:25.360
most Latinos who are here right now are very conservative values. They're God-fearing people.
02:00:33.480
They're hard workers. And they came here legally and they went through the process. And so for them
02:00:40.180
and her specifically to let in millions upon millions, they feel that they've been cheated,
02:00:44.680
that these people are cheating or fronting the line. You know, and I got to tell you,
02:00:48.640
when the Department of Justice sues the state of Virginia to try and keep illegals on the voting
02:00:54.340
rolls, that was a red flag. That was a red flag to every Latino saying, guess what? There's a pathway
02:00:59.240
to citizenship for these people who just walk across the border. It doesn't play well with legal
02:01:04.460
citizens, Latinos and Hispanics in America right now. She had a chance. You know what they really
02:01:11.380
should have done, Megan? They should have done what they did with Joe Biden. They should have given
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her the nomination in July and then put her in the basement and tell her, just stay off media.
02:01:21.620
Well, just the way they did with Joe. And she might have pulled it out.
02:01:25.320
That's what we said. Same thing on the show. I mean, this audience heard me say many times,
02:01:29.040
I love her newfound confidence. This is wonderful. Keep her out there. Keep her rolling. Let's,
02:01:32.940
you know, tour after tour after tour, because you could see just how poorly she was doing,
02:01:37.700
guys. She was just, there wasn't one that she did well at, not one. I mean, to use the last words,
02:01:42.380
we deconstructed all of the speeches in which we centered her language and it let us down every
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time. I mean, that's directly related to her fall in the polls.
02:01:52.180
So she was unimpressive in all these interviews, but the thing that hurt her most, and Eric mentioned
02:01:58.440
it, was the view, a friendly question from Sony host and setting her up, what would you do differently?
02:02:04.160
And not having an answer to that was a strategic choice. Because I would have thought the first
02:02:09.260
thing you do when you're selected as a nominee, you got a president who's under 40% approval rating
02:02:14.820
in some polls, come up with the three things you do differently, or you think he was wrong on,
02:02:18.460
you can say it gently or whatever, but do that. And they made a choice not to do that. And we've
02:02:23.060
talked about this on the editor's podcast some, and I think this is Charlie's theory, which I agree
02:02:28.580
with, is after you've shifted on everything from 19 and 20, you can't go and also say, oh, and
02:02:33.300
everything happened the last four years. I don't agree with that either. Like you're total
02:02:36.700
chameleon at that point. But I think looming very large is the actor off the screen here.
02:02:42.040
Joe Biden, who said he was going to run again last year, so they couldn't have primaries
02:02:45.260
or caucuses, chose her for DEI reasons and is woefully unpopular. And she got no separation
02:02:57.320
You know, can we just talk about like the Hispanic vote? I think a lot of us assume it's like the
02:03:01.480
men. Trump does well with men, Hispanic men like a manly man. But I do think it's more
02:03:06.800
than that. I mean, Hispanics tend to be Christian. They tend to be more conservative in their social
02:03:11.820
politics. And notwithstanding the fact they didn't run on DEI, this is a party run wild
02:03:17.420
on the DEI front that is shoving porn into our kids' elementary schools. And they have been
02:03:22.800
absolutely radical, both of them. And she's even more leftist than he is on this stuff,
02:03:28.220
which has been raised. I find it hard to believe that the Hispanic community hasn't
02:03:34.600
Yeah, so I think that's true. And I think that a lot of it is the product of that. But I have a
02:03:39.540
theory that is simultaneous with that. And that is just that Hispanics, as you know, are normal people.
02:03:46.100
And the racial polarization in America is a bad thing. And in most cases over time, it disappears.
02:03:53.420
You know, we don't really focus anymore on how do Irish Americans vote? How do Italian Americans
02:03:59.060
vote? How do you know? I mean, there are patterns, but we don't we don't obsess over this. But we
02:04:04.640
obsess over Hispanics, which is this fake category that was invented, this big balloon category in the
02:04:09.180
70s, but in the Nixon administration for no reason. And I just it just seems to me that, you know,
02:04:15.800
there are very good reasons why historically African Americans have had a different identity,
02:04:21.120
partly because they were oppressed for 200 years, institutionally. But that hasn't happened
02:04:26.600
to Hispanics. And so I think some of what you're seeing is just rather than the way the left slices
02:04:32.720
and dices up the electorate, if you talk to Hispanics about politics, they say, well, I'm worried about
02:04:37.540
my kids school and inflation and gas prices. And they sound like everyone else. And there's no historical
02:04:43.340
and justifiable reason for them to consider themselves as sort of the other. And I think the left
02:04:49.340
almost has got into this bad habit of patting Hispanics on the head and sort of saying,
02:04:54.820
well, as a Hispanic, you must think this. And I just think there's a backlash against it where they
02:04:58.760
say, no, I'm just a normal person. They don't want to be a victimized minority. There's going to be
02:05:03.360
Americans like everyone else. And I think if you said, as Republicans did, you know, for a very long
02:05:08.560
time to average Hispanic voter, hi, I'm a Republican, I want to reform entitlements and cut taxes for the
02:05:13.740
wealthy. Like, I'm not sure I'm for that. But if you say, hi, I'm a Republican,
02:05:17.500
I'm patriotic, I'm a Christian. And I don't think men should be competing in women's sports like these
02:05:22.800
other nuts do who want to call you Latinx and all the rest of the stuff. They're like, oh,
02:05:26.820
maybe I can get on board. I think it's Latinx, but I'll let it slide.
02:05:30.460
Eric Bolling, we found that soundbite to which you referred with the Philly anchor. Let's watch it.
02:05:35.980
You talked about creating an opportunity economy. I wonder if we can drill down on that a little bit.
02:05:40.460
When we talk about bringing down prices and making life more affordable for people,
02:05:45.660
what are one or two specific things you have in mind for that?
02:05:49.640
Well, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle class kid. My mother raised my sister and me.
02:05:56.200
She worked very hard. I grew up in a neighborhood of folks who were very proud of their lawn.
02:06:01.460
You know? And I was raised to believe and to know that all people deserve dignity.
02:06:10.780
And that we as Americans have a beautiful character. So when I talk about building an
02:06:20.460
opportunity economy, it is very much with the mind of investing in the ambitions and aspirations and
02:06:28.260
the incredible work ethic of the American people and creating opportunity for people,
02:06:34.960
I was going to say, by the way, kudos to your production staff for digging that one,
02:06:46.580
because that was supposed to be one of her first, let's test the waters a little bit.
02:06:51.380
You know, let's try a local reporter, how bad could it possibly be? It's likely a branded CNN or NBC
02:06:58.240
station where they weren't going to lean into her, but it didn't take much leaning. He literally asked
02:07:02.720
to just clarify what you mean, opportunity economy. And what they've been doing, they've
02:07:06.420
been throwing this term out without actually specifying what they mean, opportunity economy.
02:07:10.860
When he said, what are the specifics of that she had? I grew up with a lawn. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.
02:07:16.840
You're middle class. Okay. Gotcha. And then went into a word. So I will tell you, I believe that was
02:07:21.020
the inflection point of her rise towards the presidency when the, when the media finally found some
02:07:27.840
cojones, how can I say that? And that tip to the Hispanic community, cojones to start to ask her
02:07:35.040
tough questions, to see what really is behind the curtain. Turns out the Wizard of Oz was there,
02:07:40.180
the little ball guy there with the monster. And, and I, listen, Donald Trump's stock was $14 a share
02:07:46.220
a couple of weeks ago. It's now 300% higher than that. Bitcoin just made a new high tonight,
02:07:52.580
Megan, brand new high tonight, $73,000. People in the crypto world believe Donald Trump is pro-crypto.
02:07:59.880
It's brand new high, all time high in crypto. And then there's a betting site that a trading site,
02:08:06.000
really. It's not even a betting site. It's a trading site. I have my stock account there.
02:08:10.080
You can actually trade on who you think the president's going to be. It's not betting. It's
02:08:14.300
actually, you're buying a share of Donald Trump or a share of Kamala Harris. Now it had been running
02:08:19.240
Trump by a little bit, right up until this afternoon. It's now 80 to 22. And it's not
02:08:26.180
exactly a hundred because there's, there's some commission in there, but Donald Trump has an 80,
02:08:30.600
80% chance of winning. So big money, smart money are seeing the same thing we are.
02:08:38.640
Eric Bolling, thank you very much. Wow. 10.08 right now. And the polls have just closed
02:08:44.900
in the final battleground state, Nevada. Let's hear from Steve Bannon. He's the host of War Room,
02:08:50.800
which you can watch on Real America's Voice, Rumble, X, and all podcast platforms. He's also
02:08:55.580
a former chief strategist for President Trump. Steve, welcome back. How's it looking to you so far?
02:09:05.740
I think with North Carolina decision desk calling it for President Trump, it's really cut off her
02:09:12.660
oxygen. She's got to run the tables right now, Megan, essentially in Wisconsin, Michigan,
02:09:18.560
and Pennsylvania. I think that's way too heavy a lift. You can't call this yet. She's in trouble
02:09:23.440
in Wisconsin. She's in trouble in Pennsylvania, Michigan. I think she's in trouble when you see
02:09:27.820
the numbers coming out of, out of Wayne County. Look, it's quite simple. The Hispanic population
02:09:33.920
throughout the country did not buy what she, she was selling. And most importantly, African-American
02:09:39.440
men have understood what she's been doing with this illegal alien invasion, how she fails to
02:09:45.880
support the First Step Act of President Trump. They detest her, as I've been saying since my time
02:09:51.680
in Danbury. They did not turn out. And I think 25 percent of African-Americans, and I think it was
02:09:57.840
in Georgia, are voting for President Trump. So right now, she's got a massive problem.
02:10:02.380
What caused it, Steve? As you look back on, you know, her closing message,
02:10:07.960
she was only running for 107 days. What caused this?
02:10:15.260
Well, you see, David Brooks, you can tell this from the media because they're all saying,
02:10:19.040
David Brooks had a big column in the Sunday Times. And as you know, he's one of the smartest guys
02:10:22.720
around. He says she needed this campaign to be longer. Remember, she was very ill-defined
02:10:28.880
to the American people. She's not a particularly high-profile VP. She hasn't accomplished a lot.
02:10:34.540
She dropped out of her presidential primary, the first one, even before Iowa. She had to define
02:10:40.120
herself to the American people. And the way to do that is you've got to, like Donald Trump,
02:10:44.820
make America great again, America first, build the wall, take one or two things that you really
02:10:49.500
believe. And for authenticity, make sure it's something you can believe and sell. She didn't do
02:10:54.740
that. She had this very ephemeral, the politics of joy. She kind of drifted along in those couple
02:11:02.640
of weeks when they were so glad that somebody besides Biden was there. She didn't really define
02:11:07.400
herself on any topic. She wouldn't take interviews. She never interviewed with you. She wouldn't take
02:11:11.880
hard interviews when she was even doing interviews. It was so almost infantile and juvenile what she
02:11:18.260
was saying. They, Brett Baer asked her, what's the number one geopolitical threat to the United States?
02:11:22.900
Who's our number one, you know, geopolitical, the biggest national security problem we have in
02:11:27.120
the world? What country? And she said, Iran. And Brett Baer goes, well, a lot of people say China.
02:11:32.900
And she didn't. She says, no, Iran. She's as ill-prepared for the office. And that came through.
02:11:37.840
And I think that's what buried her. She never defined herself. Now, in MSNBC, you know we're doing
02:11:44.060
a good job here, Megan, when before 10 o'clock at night, Lawrence O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow,
02:11:49.640
that entire crew are bitching and moaning about the Electoral College. When they're down,
02:11:54.080
they got the sad faces and the big tears coming down for the Electoral College.
02:11:57.540
I think it's going well for the populist nationalist movement of President Trump tonight.
02:12:01.640
That's for sure. Here's another one for you. Joy Reid, who is upset, I'm sure,
02:12:05.980
about the Electoral College as well, which, by the way, for whatever it's worth, the New York Times
02:12:09.880
is suggesting now their projection is that Trump will win it. This is just a guess. This isn't the
02:12:15.420
actual prediction, suggesting that Trump will win it 295 to 243, which is the highest they've had him.
02:12:23.620
But here's Joy Reid, who's really, really mad that Trump crushed Florida. Take a listen.
02:12:31.800
It's a pure Project 2025 in miniature in Florida. And that kind of extreme sort of extremist right-wing
02:12:39.880
fascist-type government in Florida. Does that make it a more attractive place?
02:12:46.560
Extreme right-wing fascist government. I guess she's talking about Ron DeSantis. But that's what
02:12:51.480
we're in for four years of that, if Trump pulls this thing off.
02:12:59.840
Oh, Megan, it's going to be extraordinary. They're not going to give up. They're going to fight it every
02:13:04.700
step of the way. This is why it's so important tonight to continue to put up numbers in Nevada,
02:13:09.580
Arizona. We've got to have a big margin here. Electoral College, run up the vote, but also
02:13:15.200
get as close as possible on the popular vote. They're coming in hard tomorrow. I mean,
02:13:19.560
they're already framing this, that she ran out of time, that was coming her way,
02:13:24.100
that this is all about the Electoral College, that on the popular vote, should have blown us out,
02:13:28.620
so this is not Democratic. They're going to come at President Trump on the deportations,
02:13:32.720
on having to cut spending, all of it. People just have to understand, today could potentially,
02:13:38.320
it's not there, could potentially be a big win, because if she runs the table on the blue wall
02:13:43.420
with Nebraska, too, she's president. So we've got to win. We've got to pick up one of those states
02:13:50.080
right now. I think that will happen. But it's going to be tough. People have to understand,
02:13:56.820
between now and now and Inauguration Day, it's going to be brutal. The first hundred days,
02:14:02.460
President Trump's second term is going to be brutal. So people cannot rest on their laurels
02:14:07.740
here. If you want to save your country, understand it's a fight. Right now, looking at Wisconsin,
02:14:13.920
Michigan, and Pennsylvania, I'm not so sure she can take all three. I think what's happening to
02:14:19.380
her in Philadelphia and Detroit could be a kill shot, but we've got to play this out.
02:14:23.860
Oh my gosh, Steve. Speaking of that, the latest rounds of exit polls of the key states shows right
02:14:30.940
now, this could change. Trump is getting 20% of black men and 54% of Latino men. Wow. If that's true,
02:14:41.540
if he maintains that margin in the blue wall, it's done.
02:14:49.820
Brian, we're seeing this in Wayne County. She has to outperform right now on game day vote
02:14:56.940
in Philadelphia, higher than Obama, higher than Hillary Clinton, higher than Joe Biden. I think
02:15:02.540
700,000 votes. I think that's a heavy lift. I think that's why you're seeing the long faces.
02:15:07.320
Wayne County with Detroit, the same situation you see right there. He's getting 20% of the black
02:15:12.960
vote. I also think when we get to be able to deconstruct this in the next couple of days,
02:15:17.260
there's also a certain segment of the black male vote that just didn't vote.
02:15:21.120
So this is what I think is killing her. The 54%, Megan, of Hispanic men is literally a game changer.
02:15:28.160
And I think we're seeing a new coalition come together. As you and I have talked about a couple
02:15:32.200
of times, a new coalition coming together around these kind of populist, nationalist,
02:15:40.480
That, I mean, those numbers are incredible. Again, if they hold. Wow. Steve Bannon, thank you.
02:15:45.640
Thank you for everything. Great to see you. Back with me now, Henry Olson, senior fellow at the
02:15:50.060
Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls podcast. All right, Henry, so it's been
02:15:55.280
about two hours since we last spoke. What is jumping out at you as the most relevant couple of storylines?
02:16:02.300
The likely but not yet callable victory of Donald John Trump for the presidency of the United States.
02:16:12.020
Why? It's because as all of these places come in, what we see is stronger than expected.
02:16:20.960
Trump showing the supposed election day swift movement towards Conal Harris is not materializing.
02:16:30.960
One of the patterns of the night, if you follow the New York Times needle, is that the more votes
02:16:36.640
that come in, the more they move their estimate towards Trump, which means that they keep showing
02:16:41.760
stronger and stronger returns than they had expected. You take a look, every exit poll, I do the math,
02:16:49.400
the ones that have them within tenths of a point, the only one she's ahead in is Michigan.
02:16:56.660
But you take a look, like right now, Donald Trump is ahead in Wisconsin by three tenths of a point.
02:17:03.220
Seventy-something percent of the vote in Madison County is in.
02:17:06.440
There are counties that are going to vote for Donald Trump that haven't reported a single vote.
02:17:12.380
He's not losing votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee. He's picking up votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee.
02:17:18.460
The two swing counties in the state, Salk and Door, are voting for him.
02:17:24.520
You don't call an election like this. It's way too many votes.
02:17:28.040
But the things that we were told in the media today that were happening are not actually showing up
02:17:35.580
in results. And that's happening in virtually every state I look at. And it's carrying through
02:17:43.140
to the Senate that they have not called the race for Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is going to be the next
02:17:49.700
senator. He's ahead by eight points or so. Fox called it for him.
02:17:53.040
Of Republican areas. OK, sorry. Have they called? Has Fox called Bernie Marino?
02:17:59.940
No, none of the other big Senate races has been called.
02:18:04.460
Yeah. OK. You know, there's still votes out. Bernie Marino is ahead by five points.
02:18:09.540
Some Democratic areas are out. But this is Ohio.
02:18:12.460
You know, you're just looking at this and the Democratic senators are not running very far ahead
02:18:20.240
as the votes come in. Donald Trump is doing much better. You know, not much better like five points,
02:18:25.400
but a point or two better when the exit polls say you're within tenths of a point and all the data
02:18:30.360
suggests that it can be more like one or one and a half. All of the data point in the same direction.
02:18:34.620
This race should not be called. But the odds of Donald Trump winning, you know, 79 percent on the
02:18:40.800
needle strikes me as about right that it would take a massive miracle in Election Day voting
02:18:46.260
across the blue wall to save Kamala Harris right now. Wow. Wow. Gosh, Henry, you know how to really
02:18:53.980
get our attention with your projections. That's incredible to hear. I. Yeah, go ahead.
02:19:00.020
I'm just saying I'm not calling it when I call a race. It means, you know, I've I'm point. Let's put
02:19:08.020
it this way. A certain a certain type of opera singer with a with Viking horns is warming up time to get
02:19:15.480
ready to sing. She had a little too much for dinner, this gal. Do you think these margins or sign
02:19:22.400
these margins are going to hold that? I just went through of 20 percent with black men and 54 percent
02:19:32.600
with Latinos. Latino men, you know, do I think they're going to hold? Yeah. Exit polls are always
02:19:41.100
difficult to critique until you have all of the data that are in. But, you know, like what I can point
02:19:46.840
to is let's take a look at Florida, Osceola County, the most Puerto Rican county in the country. Donald
02:19:51.860
Trump carried it. Miami-Dade County, massive swing to him in 2020. He still lost it by three points.
02:19:59.260
He carried it by 11 points. These are Hispanic places. Wow. So what what what do you think will
02:20:06.280
happen now? If you're seeing what you're seeing, you've explained it and it's 10, 20 p.m. Eastern.
02:20:11.200
What do you think is going to happen over the next two, three hours?
02:20:13.940
Well, a couple of things. First of all, Arizona
02:20:19.960
is is looking increasingly Republican as the early vote drops. The seltzer poll is clearly not correct
02:20:27.760
in Iowa. What I think is going to happen is the Election Day vote is going to slowly,
02:20:33.880
slowly move up for Donald Trump. You take a look, half of the expected vote in pencil in Philadelphia
02:20:40.640
is already. And the Democrats said she needed to get like four hundred and seventy thousand
02:20:46.280
vote margin out of it. If you double her margin right now, she won't even be at four hundred
02:20:51.120
thousand. I'm not saying it's over by any stretch of the imagination, but just the data all suggest
02:20:59.800
that things are looking very good for Trump for at least one of the paths that he has. If he holds,
02:21:06.740
I called it for Georgia a while ago. I think North Carolina is almost certainly Republican.
02:21:13.780
He holds those two states. He only needs one of the three Midwestern states. He only needs one.
02:21:23.580
And which one do you think is looking the most likely?
02:21:26.800
Wisconsin. Wisconsin, by the way, to your point, you know, NBC News projecting Donald Trump wins
02:21:34.740
Iowa. So you are absolutely right about the Seltzer poll not holding up. She had Kamala Harris winning
02:21:44.320
Yeah, well, look, like I said, when we talked this morning and people have been asking me about the
02:21:48.760
Seltzer poll for the last 48 hours, every great pollster has a stinker. No one denies that Ann
02:21:55.780
Seltzer is the best pollster in Iowa. But every great pollster has a stinker. She threw one up and it's
02:22:02.680
not her fault. It's the sample. But you just have to not just go with the polls. You have to understand
02:22:09.520
what politics is about and voting patterns and so forth. And that's why I said to you and said to
02:22:15.620
everybody, it is one of those one out of 20 polls that is just wrong. And it's wrong. And Iowa is going to go
02:22:25.460
One of the problems with the blue wall states is they apparently take a very long time to count.
02:22:31.040
Now, I've heard the Michigan secretary of state say, oh, we sped it up. We're going to do better
02:22:35.860
this time than we did last time, given the amount of mailing vote that we had the last time when we've
02:22:40.700
shorn up our our positions on how to do it. But is there any chance it's going to be too slow in
02:22:46.240
Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania to have a call in the next five hours?
02:22:54.800
Let's see. So it's 1022 Eastern time. I'd say six.
02:22:59.900
OK, six, six hours, because, you know, look, we're talking about half the votes are in in Milwaukee.
02:23:06.640
And those are almost certainly not Election Day votes because they all got dropped very early.
02:23:11.480
We're talking about two thirds of the three quarters of the vote in in Dane County.
02:23:18.360
It's just the rural areas that haven't reported yet all of their votes count more quickly because
02:23:25.040
it's Election Day votes, that's precinct votes. I think Wisconsin will have the bulk of its votes
02:23:30.740
in in four to five hours and will be able to call the state unless something that I don't expect
02:23:36.960
happens, which is that the last quarter of the vote in Dane and the last 30 percent of the vote
02:23:43.420
in Milwaukee are significantly more Democrat than what we've seen so far. If the current trends play
02:23:48.200
out, Donald Trump will win Wisconsin. Not a call, just a direction.
02:23:53.140
Henry, we're coming back to you. Please raise your hand as you get more data and have some more
02:23:58.320
thoughts on it. So helpful. Thank you. Stand by. Joining me now, Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow at
02:24:03.700
the Hoover Institution. He's also the author of The End of Everything. Victor, great to see you.
02:24:09.960
Wow. What a night. We're trying not to get ahead of our skis. But you heard Henry, very bullish,
02:24:14.540
very sober, serious pollster, respected and has a great record saying he believes this race is Donald Trump's.
02:24:23.240
Yeah, I can see why he says that. I mean, if you take a state like Pennsylvania, we've been hearing,
02:24:27.760
Megan, you and I have talked about it, that the Jewish vote was going to be problematic, that black
02:24:33.720
males were going to be problematic, getting the percentages they needed in Philadelphia and
02:24:39.000
Pittsburgh. We were told that there was 600,000 more Republican voters. We were told the Amish were
02:24:47.300
going to come out. They were all not in themselves important, but in aggregate, they were almost a
02:24:53.200
perfect storm. So when we started seeing these polls, especially the last three days, that everything
02:25:00.140
had tightened up and she had the momentum, a lot of us thought that that was sort of a false effort to
02:25:07.740
increase exposure for fundraising, get people out to vote. But it didn't reflect what had been going on
02:25:14.200
for a long time. But everybody, I think, especially the last 48 hours on the Trump side, was kind of
02:25:20.780
shell-shocked. I thought, oh my God, it's going to happen again. I'm going to go to bed at 10.
02:25:25.000
He's going to be ahead. I'm going to wake up. It's over with. They've got the Cheney story. They've got
02:25:30.100
the fake news shooting story. And that was all ginned up, I think. I don't think there was any support for
02:25:36.700
it. And, you know, you and I have talked, I live in this community that's 95% Hispanic. I have not met a
02:25:44.460
Mexican-American male over the age of 40 who was not going to vote for Donald Trump. I've never seen
02:25:50.540
anything like it. It didn't happen in 2016. It didn't happen in 2020. It didn't happen in 2022. And it's mostly
02:25:58.580
driven by the border and inflation. And the other thing I'd say, Megan, very quickly is, you know, I work on the
02:26:05.540
Stanford campus. If this trend holds true, these people are going to have a complete mental breakdown. They really are. I mean,
02:26:15.900
they have been convinced that Kamala Harris is winning, that the New York Times poll or the
02:26:21.200
Washington Post was absolutely accurate, that inside Intel and Trafalgar and Rasmussen were just
02:26:28.200
crazy. It was a sure thing. And Trump was RIP. Rest in peace. And I don't think they'll
02:26:35.780
psychologically, I don't, I don't think we're going to, we have no idea about the mental confusion
02:26:40.800
if Trump should win, because they were convinced that he was in the last 48 hours had lost his
02:26:47.040
momentum and she was a shoe in. I really, I've heard that from 20, 30 people today on campus.
02:26:53.340
Well, here, here's the other thing to your point. They, if Trump pulls this off,
02:26:59.540
the meltdown will be, yes, he's evil and he's been reelected and they're going to have to deal with all
02:27:04.600
of that. But it's also the loss of their power and control. They will have to come to grips with
02:27:11.880
like the, the 2016 thing was a fluke. They didn't take him seriously. He shocked the world. That's
02:27:17.280
one thing. But they, this time they pulled out all the stops from the law fair to the nonstop actual
02:27:25.660
media reporting that he's Hitler. I mean, there's not another stop to pull. And if he manages to do
02:27:33.340
in any way, Victor, there is one, there is one, Megan, they've been talking, as you know,
02:27:38.380
about Jack Smith sentencing coming up. Not that that would affect his ability, but they really do.
02:27:43.620
I think they really do believe that if they lose this election, they will, they will think that
02:27:48.140
Jack Smith will put him in jail. And that will be, you mean, you mean not Jack Smith, you mean the,
02:27:52.340
the, the Alvin Bragg DA in New York? Yes. Alvin Bragg, but also Jack Smith later on.
02:27:57.940
Yeah. Jack Smith still got an open prosecution against him and he's appealing the one that got thrown out.
02:28:02.200
So he's got two avenues against Trump, still potentially viable.
02:28:05.820
I think you've mentioned that too. Alvin Bragg could put him in jail this month.
02:28:10.800
I mean, I don't think that they will be able to do that. I, oh, hold on one second. Let's see.
02:28:17.820
This is Pennsylvania. Hold on. We don't actually have a projection, but it's the New York Times
02:28:21.520
reporting Pennsylvania right now, Trump plus three with 56% reporting. In Lackawanna,
02:28:29.660
it's Harris plus three. That's one of the counties. Um, that's where Scranton is with 95% reporting.
02:28:37.460
Wait a minute. What did, what did Biden get? Biden, Biden won Lackawanna plus eight,
02:28:44.640
eight and a half in 2020. She's at plus three right now in Biden's home County where Scranton is Lackawanna.
02:28:51.620
Again, it's only 56% reporting that could change, but she is just, you know, what's happening now, Victor,
02:28:57.600
amazingly is where we may be starting to realize they were better off with Biden.
02:29:04.420
Biden. Yeah. I, I, we had a, I think I was on Jesse waters and we talked about that.
02:29:10.060
I don't know if they were better off, but, uh, they were better able to hide Biden because
02:29:15.200
everybody had baked into his presidency that he was cognitively challenged. So when he didn't appear,
02:29:21.480
they just said, well, he, the Obamas are running it or something, but he, he didn't get out. I mean,
02:29:27.640
they didn't let him out. And she, when she, she was in a doom loop because the longer she evaded the
02:29:33.420
media, the more pressure that was put upon her. And then when she came out every single interview,
02:29:39.040
she lost 24 hours of, uh, just support. Everybody just could not believe it. And, uh, it's, you know,
02:29:47.640
I, I think there's been cognitive distance. I really want to reiterate that in Michigan,
02:29:52.320
we were told the EV mandate was really turning off auto workers. We were tolling that the black
02:29:58.560
vote in Detroit was not there. We were tolling even the Muslim vote was starting to peel off from
02:30:04.280
levels that Biden had. And when you have these types of indicators in Pennsylvania and you have
02:30:10.400
them, whether it's registration or surprising, um, early and mail-in ballot, and then you look at
02:30:16.200
these polls and they're static. And I, I, I'd always say to myself, Megan, how can New Mexico be moving
02:30:22.620
in Trump's direction, but next door, Arizona is static. How can Minnesota be moving and not that he's
02:30:29.740
going to win it, but it was moving in his direction, but the polls say Wisconsin is static.
02:30:33.800
How could North Carolina be static while Virginia was moving? And I just think that they, I, I'm not
02:30:41.000
saying that they were dishonest, but I do think that these polls had other purposes other than
02:30:46.000
revealing what the actual, uh, estimations of the, the ballot would be. And, uh, and there were too
02:30:52.060
many indicators that things were not going well for her across the board for the type of melding.
02:31:00.580
Yeah. Do you, do you think it was an inability to see good news for Trump? I mean, look, it was it
02:31:06.000
any accident that Larry Sabato's crystal ball had among the worst projections for Trump best for
02:31:13.180
Kamala. I don't know, Ann Seltzer in Iowa, but she, she really got this one wrong. She, I think she tried
02:31:19.040
to change the race with that poll at the last minute, trying to inject some, and I don't know
02:31:24.380
whether it was conscious or subconscious to try to save and, and all this, all these older women
02:31:30.240
are so obsessed with abortion and they're running to the polls. Well, it didn't happen. He just won.
02:31:35.940
I think it's like, why would Lauren Michaels ruin his reputation after 40 years of obeying basically
02:31:43.980
protocols that you don't overtly endorse a candidate or put one particular candidate out right before
02:31:50.200
the election. And it's analogous to the pollsters. I think they felt that the ends were so important
02:31:56.840
that you had this noble, better, superior candidate, and you had this awful Trump. And if you were going
02:32:03.400
to risk your reputation just a little bit, it would be worth it because you could create momentum or
02:32:10.040
you could get a late surge in, and donations, or you could get more exposure or you could get greater
02:32:15.760
turnout. And they, and I do think that, I don't know whether it's overtly conscious or subconscious,
02:32:21.920
but I do think there was an intent behind it and it was not empirical because there was too many
02:32:27.840
indicators, Megan. Uh, the New York times, not, not calling anything, but now moving Georgia from
02:32:35.100
toss up. First, they moved it to lean Trump and now they just moved Georgia to very likely Trump.
02:32:42.280
And they just moved Michigan to lean Trump, Michigan. And we were not, you heard Henry was
02:32:49.600
saying Wisconsin looks like it's Trump's at this point. He didn't call it, but he's saying Wisconsin
02:32:55.060
is very strong for Trump. This is Michigan and also North Carolina, likely Trump.
02:33:01.220
Yeah. You know, I go there every year and I, to teach at Hillsdale for two or three weeks. And
02:33:06.540
I could tell there was something different in the news coverage. Trump didn't have as many
02:33:12.160
commercials, but they were far better. And, uh, you would, uh, you, when you were reading about
02:33:17.640
the Michigan demography, you look at those three, that triad of special interest voters,
02:33:23.360
the United auto workers, the Dearborn Muslim vote and the Detroit and maybe Ann Arbor or Lansing or
02:33:32.400
Grand Rapids, African-American vote. And all three of those indicators were not there in the way they
02:33:37.600
had been for Biden. And yet every, you would see these polls again and again, giving, uh, Biden two,
02:33:44.720
three, 4%. Uh, I just think, I don't think that was possible. I think they knew that was impossible.
02:33:50.120
And I think they're really going to take a hit, Megan. They're back to their reputation is
02:33:54.640
kind of improved after the 2022 midterm, but I think they're going to go back to the status they,
02:33:59.900
they had in 2016 and even worse in 2020. If this goes up to me.
02:34:05.680
I have to wonder having just left Pittsburgh last night where, you know, we had all these guys
02:34:11.080
with the hard hats, you know, men who work with their hands, um, cheering on their feet all night
02:34:18.400
long for Donald Trump. That looks a lot like Michigan. That's Michigan's full of guys like
02:34:23.260
that auto workers, as you point out, suffering from these EV mandates that Biden Harris crammed
02:34:28.900
down our throats. They want to eliminate these guys industry. And I do wonder whether the, you know,
02:34:36.180
just this ongoing problem with the Democrats, their messaging around what a real man is,
02:34:41.560
what a real job is, what do we drive? What do we cook with? What will the government tell us?
02:34:48.360
Or will men and women for that matter, be able to make up their own minds and live peacefully without
02:34:54.180
the government trying to micromanage us? I just wonder how much that strain of the election argument
02:35:01.480
is driving these Michiganders and others in the Midwest. No, I think it is. I know. I noticed that
02:35:08.740
the, that the gender gap that she was in the case of males actually went up the more that Emhoff and
02:35:16.260
Walt started talking about the new empathetic male, male, the new masculinity, those white dudes for
02:35:22.940
Harris, those crazy actors that were in those commercials. Nobody's ever seen a person act like
02:35:28.140
that in the real world. And this idea that then the stories come out that, you know, Waltz is kind
02:35:34.560
of temperamental and Emhoff slapped his girlfriend or he got his nanny. That was a whole disaster on
02:35:40.920
their part. This idea that they were going to create an image of a new masculine male who was feminine
02:35:47.780
almost. And I think it really turned a lot of independent men off. I really do. And especially
02:35:54.560
in terms of foreign policy, I think that, I think a lot of women and men both were very worried that
02:36:01.520
after listening to Kamala Harris, especially when she talks out of both sides of her mouth to different
02:36:07.340
audiences and how, how she was going to deal with Ukraine when Putin is now threatening to use tactical
02:36:14.860
nuclear weapons or putting incendiary devices allegedly on planes. And we're looking at, something's going to
02:36:20.840
happen with Iran very soon. And the idea that she would be the commander and chief just terrifies
02:36:27.420
people, I think. And that came across, but we'll see how, we'll see how the night goes.
02:36:33.000
Exactly. I'm going to stand you by one piece of good news for Kamala. The New York Times just
02:36:36.920
moved Michigan back into toss up. So Michigan goes to lean Trump right back to toss up moments later.
02:36:44.120
So they're not feeling as confident now that it may be getting redder as more and more raw vote comes in
02:36:49.060
and they, they get it tallied up. Stand by, Victor. We're going to come back to you. Great to have
02:36:53.360
you tonight. Love hearing from you. Back with me now here on set is Maureen Callahan. And also
02:36:57.840
joining our discussion is Amala Epanobi, host of the Amala Epanobi podcast, and Link Lauren,
02:37:03.720
a former senior advisor to RFKJ's presidential campaign. Thanks to you, Amala and Link, for joining
02:37:10.100
the conversation. Link, let me start with you, since you actually worked for RFKJ for a while,
02:37:14.640
Bobby, as he's known, your reaction to the returns we're seeing so far tonight.
02:37:19.060
Well, I just heard that Xanax and boxed wine are being delivered to the MSNBC studios. They are
02:37:26.420
melting down. I'm happy to be back. Maureen, we got to get some of that here just for fun.
02:37:32.600
I'm coming in with a drink next time. I'm not kidding.
02:37:36.040
Why should they have all the fun? Go ahead, Link.
02:37:37.840
There isn't any boxed wine left. I also have to say, you look stunning last night in every sense of
02:37:42.760
the word. I know you don't like people kissing your feet, but I have to say, I'm so happy you were at
02:37:46.660
the rally. We needed some women surrogates on stage for Trump. Where had they been the last
02:37:51.860
few months? So as for RFKJ, as for Bobby, I heard he is down at Mar-a-Lago hanging out with Elon Musk,
02:37:58.520
Caitlyn Jenner, Dana White, Donald Trump. That lineup is every woke liberal's worst nightmare.
02:38:05.940
Let me just tell you right now. Yeah, Tucker Carlson. That is every, if you have purple hair and you
02:38:10.800
went to Oberlin, you don't want to walk into that room. But I think tonight, really my jaw,
02:38:15.960
my jaw has been on the floor tonight with these Kamala Harris returns because this is a referendum
02:38:21.880
on the swamp, on the political Washington permanent state. They have spent the last month saying Donald
02:38:27.660
Trump is a fascist. He's Hitler. If you support him, you're a Nazi. Everybody who supports him is
02:38:33.000
garbage. And guess what? It's still a competitive race. Kamala is not sweeping in a landslide,
02:38:38.380
which tells us you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear with Kamala Harris. She is a very
02:38:43.780
flawed candidate. And this is the death of the legacy media we're seeing right now. And we spoke
02:38:48.240
about that all the time on the Kennedy campaign because we could barely get booked in the mainstream
02:38:52.420
media. Oh my gosh. The New York Times is having a schizophrenic moment. They just moved Michigan
02:38:58.200
back to the lean Trump category. They can't make up their minds about Michigan. Nobody knows. But I
02:39:04.120
mean, Michigan is not even supposed to be his strongest of the three states. They just
02:39:08.220
moved the Wisconsin to lean Trump as well. That doesn't mean they're calling it for him.
02:39:12.900
But now we've got that were there at 2 a.m. last night with him. But yeah, that's true. That's
02:39:17.640
where he where he completed his campaign. That was his last rally. So now we've got two out of the
02:39:23.520
three blue wall states leaning Trump. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't want to say like, but it's starting
02:39:30.020
to feel like it's going to happen. And to Link's point about the hysterics on the left and in
02:39:35.060
particular at MSNBC, let's just take a little look see into what's happening at MSNBC and how
02:39:40.720
they're taking the news. Watch. You just think about just the last two weeks and the things that
02:39:47.040
that Donald Trump has said into into the TV that people could hear him say and do the vulgarity in
02:39:54.280
front of families with young children and the threats to do mass deportation and a violent
02:40:00.660
start, violent start to his dictatorship on day one. And you name it. If all of that gets you half
02:40:07.800
of the votes, 48, 49 percent. What does it tell you? I mean, we need to really take a step back
02:40:12.780
and think about what does that say about us? I think. What does that say about us?
02:40:17.600
Yeah, that's really the question she should be asking herself in regard to the whole Democratic
02:40:24.220
Party. What does this say about us that people are showing up for Trump in this way? And we've
02:40:28.900
been told for so long, you know, like Link said, he's a fascist. He's Hitler. Black people don't like
02:40:34.100
him. He's offended the Puerto Ricans. The Latino vote's going to come out for us. And we're watching
02:40:37.780
all of that be flipped on its head tonight. I mean, these exit polls from Latino men in particular who
02:40:42.780
are coming full force for Trump. Black in some instances, young, young people in Michigan and
02:40:47.880
Ohio. It's crazy to watch the narrative that we were sold by mainstream media versus what's
02:40:53.640
actually happening tonight. I started off tonight so stressed. I was breaking my finger trying to
02:40:58.000
refresh my ex figuring out what's going on. And slowly but surely, I've been able to breathe a
02:41:02.460
little bit and just flow. Same, same. Our guest earlier was suggesting I'm sure I think it was
02:41:08.600
Sean Spicer was suggesting we might be looking at 54 Senate seats. That's getting the car
02:41:12.480
before the horse. But I mean, if we're even talking about that, it's got to be a great
02:41:17.200
potential night for Republicans. Go ahead, Link. Can I just say, Joy Reid needs a colorist. I think
02:41:23.380
we could recommend one to her. What is going on with Joy Reid on MSNBC right now? If you need a bleach
02:41:29.080
and a toner, Joy Reid, what's happening? You make seven figures a year, I'm guessing.
02:41:34.160
She definitely does. What the hell is going on? You guys need to hire Link at the Daily Mail.
02:41:40.540
You are amazing. You are amazing. This color commentary is just, yes, I can breathe a little
02:41:47.940
bit. I know. Are you losing the pit in the stomach? I don't want to jinx it. I know. A little bit.
02:41:53.220
It's just so wild. Also, may I just say breaking news out of the Daily Mail. This is how much the
02:42:00.080
Bidens hate Kamala. Naomi Biden just announced her pregnancy. Oh, no way. Yeah. Shades of like
02:42:07.860
Meghan Markle at Princess Beatrice's wedding. Yes. Oh, I just happen to be wearing a car coat
02:42:14.460
that's covering a six-month bump. Don't look at me. Anyway, sorry, Link. Please, I'm sorry. You're
02:42:19.580
great. Also, we have some Daily Mail reporting. I was just going to say, Joe Biden, not at Kamala's
02:42:27.460
event last night in Philadelphia. He's not going to her event tonight in D.C. Joe Biden,
02:42:32.200
I think he will feel so vindicated if Kamala Harris loses tonight. He is going to be so happy
02:42:37.580
and smitten that he's the only person to go down in history who ever defeated Donald Trump.
02:42:43.080
Mm-hmm. Well, on that front, Amala, what do you think is causing this? She has not lost. He has not
02:42:48.780
won. We've been surprised before. Hello, 2020. We went to bed thinking Trump had won,
02:42:53.880
and we woke up being told he had lost. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. But
02:42:58.180
what do you think explains what we can safely say, at least, is her struggles to win this thing
02:43:05.140
tonight? Yeah. I mean, first things first with Kamala Harris, every time I see her speak,
02:43:10.380
she lacks so much political charisma. It feels like pulling teeth to watch her speak at her alley and
02:43:14.880
her try to engage with this crowd and get them to believe the things that she's saying.
02:43:19.020
She spun this entire narrative about Donald Trump being a Hitler and a threat to democracy.
02:43:23.880
anti-fascist. But I think people, regardless of your background or how you identify,
02:43:29.920
we're all experiencing the weight of what Kamala Harris's leadership has been for the past three
02:43:34.500
and a half, four years. And it's not really vibing with the message that she's selling to us,
02:43:39.060
that she's a new generation of leadership, that she's somehow going to turn the page,
02:43:42.840
even though she's been the page for the past four years. And when you see Americans being asked
02:43:47.260
questions about how they feel on the major issues, they're saying, it's immigration. It's the
02:43:52.120
economy. These things do not bode well for Kamala Harris, considering she's had control over these
02:43:56.640
things in large part for how long. So there's only so much fear mongering you can do leading up to
02:44:01.620
the election. She tries to do this fake door knocking, the fake phone calls to voters and
02:44:07.300
everything just comes off as so disingenuous. So it's, I think, experiencing the issues that America's
02:44:12.980
facing and then being met with this uncharismatic solution to them.
02:44:18.500
She's dying to be inspirational and she just isn't. She can rehearse the lines. We played that
02:44:25.800
soundbite earlier when she spoke to the Philadelphia news anchor. And for those who are watching us on
02:44:29.460
YouTube, she did the thing with the hands. Like I, I grew up in a middle-class family, like putting
02:44:36.120
the hands together. Like I, but they just circulated this. We actually cut it for today's show. We didn't
02:44:41.220
get to it. Showing how she delivers the same can lines every time. And she, she thinks she's Oprah.
02:44:46.860
Even Oprah's not Oprah anymore. Kamala, I hate to break it to you, but just look at this to your
02:44:51.540
point. It's SOT 7. Do we have that from earlier today? You guys, let's see, watch it.
02:45:00.180
You talked about creating opportunity. Are you ready to make your voices heard? No, no, no. Stand by.
02:45:05.240
Yeah. Yeah. Do we believe in freedom? So three different events for the listening audience.
02:45:12.380
Do we believe in the promise of America? And are we ready to fight for it? And when we fight, we win.
02:45:35.440
Yeah, it's crazy. You know, every time I hear Kamala Harris, it's almost like she thinks nobody
02:45:39.340
cross-references the different times that she speaks. That as though no person is going to hear
02:45:43.960
her twice. So she'll just say the same thing over and over again. She'll notice cameras.
02:45:46.680
Exactly. When she's in front of a Latino crowd, she pulls out the accent. When she's talking to
02:45:52.560
black people, she says, we're going to do it again in 2024. It's not working anymore. I promise.
02:45:58.440
We see you more than once. We hear you more than once. We know what you're really like,
02:46:02.620
and we know what you're trying to come off as. And it almost comes off to me of like,
02:46:06.220
who is the real Kamala Harris? I don't know that we've really even seen
02:46:09.600
a glimmer of who she really is as a person. And that's deeply concerning.
02:46:13.240
My favorite accent was the pastor accent. Joy cometh in the morning.
02:46:28.380
I know she changes her accent every single day. I feel like the biggest mistake the Harris
02:46:32.400
campaign made was keeping her so bubble wrapped. I mean, people forget they pushed Biden out in a
02:46:37.640
coup, threw him out like the garbage, get the reference, on July 21st. Kamala went 40 days without
02:46:43.040
a sit-down interview. And then her first interview was with Tim Walls and Dana Bash on CNN in a diner.
02:46:49.020
So I feel like if they had her doing press and getting to know people and showing who she was,
02:46:53.500
people would feel more comfortable with her. But the fact that she hit out from the press for 40 days
02:46:57.460
at a really crucial time, nobody feels like they know Kamala Harris. Well, the real Kamala Harris,
02:47:02.700
Just FYI, CNN is calling the Senate race in Maryland for the Democrat, not for Larry Hogan,
02:47:12.480
which isn't a huge surprise. But that's at least one Senate race that's being called.
02:47:16.800
I do want to. Oh, you know what? Look at my team. Put this little gem together.
02:47:20.960
We put this montage together about a week or 10 days ago.
02:47:24.320
This is Kamala in all her many iterations. Watch.
02:47:26.700
Have you no empathy, man? For the suffering of other people? Have you no sense of purpose?
02:47:38.440
You better thank a union member for sick leave. You better thank a union member for paid leave.
02:47:44.300
You better thank a union member for vacation time.
02:47:58.120
And you all helped us win in 2020, and we're going to do it again in 2024.
02:48:04.420
Hello to all my divine nine brothers and sisters.
02:48:20.080
That was amazing, but it didn't have my favorite one.
02:48:37.700
But the problem here, Maureen, is that she never gave us something to connect to.
02:48:43.660
And it's fine not to be inspirational, you know?
02:48:46.280
I mean, I don't, like, not every politician is, I don't think John McCain was inspirational.
02:48:50.720
George W. Bush was definitely not inspirational to anybody.
02:49:05.140
I definitely feel like I've talked about this with you.
02:49:07.180
You constantly get the sense when you're watching her and listening to her that she is someone who is profoundly uncomfortable in her own skin.
02:49:15.120
That's why the cackles at these inappropriate moments.
02:49:18.360
That's why the wheeling out of Tim Walls everywhere, which, by the way, where has he been lately?
02:49:25.040
You know, I feel like they shoved him in the basement.
02:49:27.720
I think I am dying to know what's going on in the room with Kamala right now.
02:49:34.300
I feel like it's Hillary all over again in so many ways.
02:49:38.960
Including the remember, the pandering to, like, the black voters.
02:49:48.400
It's so, so the, I don't want to get ahead of myself.
02:49:53.440
But the draft of her concession speech, Megan, I can't even bet you because I know you think the same as I do.
02:50:00.220
It will contain the words, the hopes, goals, dreams, aspirations, the American people.
02:50:09.920
You know, we should do our bingo card right now just in case she does have to concede.
02:50:31.420
My mother and my, our neighbor who helped raise us, small business.
02:50:39.980
Oh, there's been a Loa cartel, the Guadalajara cartel.
02:50:48.440
She sounds like she's in an episode of Breaking Bad.
02:50:50.360
And just before I give you the breaking news, I do have to play.
02:51:36.860
Up until like six weeks ago, he was not up in the polls.
02:51:40.040
Sherrod Brown, the incumbent, the Democrat, was up.
02:51:43.960
And he had just moved up from like minus three, minus three, minus two, minus two to plus one.
02:51:49.040
And right now with 82% in in Ohio, he's plus five.
02:51:55.640
For the first time tonight, we consider Trump likely to win the presidency.
02:52:00.480
He has an advantage in each of the Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin states.
02:52:10.540
But in the voting so far, Trump is narrowly but discernibly ahead.
02:52:16.380
And by the way, the New York Times' The Needle is saying he's ahead in the popular vote as well.
02:52:23.920
Link, I'm going to run, but I'll give you the last word.
02:52:28.340
Yeah, this is just like I said earlier, a referendum on the swamp, the Democratic elites.
02:52:32.940
A lot of these independents, they're tired of politics as usual.
02:52:44.340
You know, maybe she—I would actually enjoy that.
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I kind of want to see some more of these soundbites.
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I would like to issue an apology to all of those states that we have.
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So, back together and joining me now, Dave Rubin, host of The Rubin Report.
02:54:27.820
You hate to count chickens, but man, I feel like I can hear little tweets.
02:54:42.120
Yes, we are all thinking the exact, how'd I do there?
02:54:53.040
Look, we're all thinking the exact same thing, and this is exactly what we've all been thinking,
02:54:57.580
not just tonight since this all started, but for weeks, which is that clearly things were
02:55:07.640
We see this really wide tent Republican thing that so many of us have wanted for so long.
02:55:13.100
But what would happen late night on election night?
02:55:16.660
So, we are exactly, I think, where we all kind of thought we were going to be.
02:55:24.160
And by the way, I just very quickly want to say how proud I am for what you did yesterday
02:55:29.940
I think it was part of both of your hero journeys and considering where you both were with each
02:55:34.700
other, you know, nine years ago at that first debate, and it was just so wonderful.
02:55:37.800
But I think we're at the exact moment that we all thought we were going to get to right
02:55:41.460
And let's just hope that, you know, pipes don't burst and nothing crazy happens, because
02:55:46.260
I think the American people have just had enough of the nonsense, and we are about to
02:55:50.520
reset the thing, and it would be so freaking wonderful and so overdue, and we can have it
02:55:56.100
all back again if we can just stay on this path right now.
02:56:02.020
Okay, the New York Times, New York Times Electoral College estimate just updating now, suggesting
02:56:08.080
Trump looking likely to hit 300 to Harris's 238.
02:56:13.720
We're getting down now to about the Biden-Trump margin of victory, if that's actually where
02:56:20.800
If Trump wins this, it needs to be by a healthy, substantial margin, because I don't know, Dave,
02:56:28.780
unless it's big and indisputable, I don't think the Democrats are going to go quietly
02:56:34.440
I don't even know if Kamala Harris will concede.
02:56:37.960
It's a tricky question, given all the criticism of Trump for not doing it, but they don't want
02:56:44.740
Well, look, I don't think there's any rule that they wouldn't break.
02:56:49.740
I don't think there's any norm that they wouldn't gladly blow past, and God knows what shenanigans
02:56:59.300
I mean, I'm a little worried about a couple hours.
02:57:03.980
So let's get through a couple hours, but let's say it does continue to trend in the way it's
02:57:08.800
Let's say we get an actual acceptance speech tonight, and it really looks legit.
02:57:13.500
I mean, we still have months and months of craziness ahead of us.
02:57:18.520
You know, I don't even want to think about it too much, but we really do.
02:57:21.180
I mean, you know, it doesn't get certified till the 6th.
02:57:23.960
He doesn't get, you know, put into the office until the 20th of January, obviously, I'm talking
02:57:27.820
about 2025, and, you know, this was always the danger.
02:57:32.300
If you were going to run around and say that your opponent was Hitler or a fascist and his
02:57:37.100
supporters were white supremacists and neo-Nazis and all the rest of the nonsense, what wouldn't
02:57:43.600
What wouldn't be legitimate to stop that movement?
02:57:46.720
You know, this is the thought exercise that people have had for 50 years.
02:57:51.660
It's a real thing that people, that philosophers debate and think about, and that really is the
02:57:57.280
And it's so unfortunate because it did not have to be this way.
02:58:00.880
They could have had an honest, we could have had six months or I, well, not six months because
02:58:05.520
she just got in a couple months ago, but we could have had four months of an honest political
02:58:10.980
The real difference between these two parties, these two people, the candidates, et cetera.
02:58:17.800
And then we, and then what it does is it puts a whole bunch of Democrats who hopefully end up
02:58:22.320
on the losing side of this thing, thinking that Hitler's in charge and he's not in charge,
02:58:29.820
No, but her messaging from the moment she was anointed was absolutely all over the place.
02:58:35.980
She launched with the, he's a sexual predator and a criminal fraudster.
02:58:40.920
And I know the type because I'm a former prosecutor.
02:58:44.900
And then she was, she was, she went underground.
02:58:48.040
We didn't hear anything except her scripted canned lines that we've heard a million times.
02:58:52.280
Didn't speak with the press for all of August, you know, all of that.
02:58:56.200
Remember she went like six weeks without talking to anybody in the press.
02:58:59.360
She gave like two airplane side, you know, questions to somebody.
02:59:04.200
And then finally she comes out and starts talking, things start spiraling.
02:59:17.760
And then the last two days of the campaign, Dave, they, they switched with all positive.
02:59:24.400
I mean, as if the voters have no idea what's been happening.
02:59:28.080
I mean, to some extent, unfortunately, their voters do have no idea what's been happening
02:59:35.060
because their voters mostly apparently watch mainstream media.
02:59:38.520
And I think the other thing that's happening here tonight is we are seeing a wholesale shift
02:59:44.840
People watching your show, people watching my show, whatever the guys at the Daily Wire
02:59:50.100
That's something, and there's lefty versions of all of us, of course, that people are tuning
02:59:55.160
out of the lies and the machine has lied to so many of us for so long and just way too
03:00:02.800
I mean, think about, to me, the craziest thing that happened in this last week was that Barack
03:00:07.200
Obama, two days before the election, so on Sunday, goes up in Wisconsin, gives a speech
03:00:14.860
This thing has been debunked into oblivion, but he thought he could go up and, first off,
03:00:21.120
he called it a white supremacist rally, which it wasn't.
03:00:23.180
And obviously, it was a debate about statues, Robert E. Lee in this case.
03:00:26.700
But then Donald Trump, we all know, Donald Trump said, I'm not talking about the white
03:00:31.520
He was talking about very fine people on both sides of the debate about whether you take
03:00:35.580
down statues or not, which, of course, there are very fine people who could have opinions
03:00:40.120
But the fact that Obama thought he could give that speech, he knew he was lying.
03:00:44.800
There's no way Barack Obama, it would be so generous to say to him, oh, you're just
03:00:48.980
not, you just didn't know what you were saying.
03:00:51.140
So he went on stage knowing that he was going to lie, knowing that it was going to be debunked.
03:00:56.800
I put up a 30-second video, which just had Obama saying it and then Trump's answer, got
03:01:05.420
So he knew it was going to be debunked, obviously, yet he still lied to them.
03:01:12.380
They think they are A, dumb, or B, brainwashed, and they don't care.
03:01:16.140
Yeah, as my friend Maureen says, not this friend Maureen, but a different friend, he
03:01:25.740
They got increasingly desperate because their internal polls were showing, I'm sure, some
03:01:30.560
of what we're seeing tonight, and they knew more than they were letting on.
03:01:34.660
And that explained some of the mood and that explained some of the messaging because they
03:01:41.800
You know, one other thing Maureen Callahan I wanted to ask about is the fact that she
03:01:45.980
closed this campaign out with Oprah, Beyonce, J-Lo, Cardi B, who, I mean, honestly, it was
03:01:56.100
like, okay, Cardi B is the most foul-mouthed, four-letter word-loving, like raunchy, but that's
03:02:09.480
She was not with the guys in the hard hats over and over, picturing with them or taking
03:02:14.860
pictures of them, talking to them, you know, connecting with them in the campaign or otherwise.
03:02:19.720
And the Dems wonder why they keep shedding the working class vote, the white working class,
03:02:25.640
why they're now shedding the Latino vote, the black vote, the male vote.
03:02:30.960
They're not, you know, they don't understand it.
03:02:33.960
And I really, I was really puzzled, particularly by the J-Lo, allowing her to endorse her so
03:02:50.780
She's running away from reporters who ask her about this.
03:03:02.940
You know, when we talked about the Oprah interview right after it happened and Meryl Streep and
03:03:18.420
We knew how alienating that would come across to regular people.
03:03:29.360
And Oprah, I mean, how she could, I, if you watched it the way I watched it, you knew
03:03:43.900
But wait, here's the theory, Dave Rubin, on the Oprahs of the world, the power brokers
03:03:51.920
It's that, Tucker said this to me, they're thrilled she's an empty vessel.
03:04:03.860
And she's just an interchangeable part who lives in service to the system.
03:04:07.980
And the reason, and by the way, if I was Kamala, I would live in service to the system
03:04:11.860
because she's done nothing to deserve to be the nominee and certainly done nothing to
03:04:17.560
So you would just give the system what it wants.
03:04:19.900
So when you ask the question about the actors, I think you know what the answer is.
03:04:24.140
The answer is actors that do this, that just go all in.
03:04:30.180
Who's the, with the bucket and the girl, Cardi B.
03:04:37.500
It's like, this is a, yeah, great song, great song.
03:04:40.220
This is a woman who just weeks ago was railing against Kamala, but then clearly got some
03:04:45.900
sort of call, like you're going to have to do it.
03:04:48.500
Remember Usher was on The View about two months ago saying, I'm not going to get political.
03:04:54.420
The reason they all do it is actors and musicians and everything else for as talented as some
03:05:02.300
Why is it that the entire cast of the Avengers, every single one of them, as good as an actor
03:05:07.900
as Robert Downey Jr. is, or whoever you like there, Scarlett Johansson, how did they all
03:05:12.240
come out on the exact same side of the political issue?
03:05:15.400
Well, it's because they're in service to the Hollywood system.
03:05:19.660
You might think Robert Downey Jr. is the greatest Iron Man of all time, but someone else can do
03:05:24.500
And so because their talent is actually not that rare and very interchangeable, they will,
03:05:29.660
they are very easily put into any system to do whatever the system wants.
03:05:33.600
And I think we're seeing the end of that now, which is absolutely extraordinary.
03:05:39.860
And, and hopefully more and more people will realize this is what it was for a long time.
03:05:52.320
Want to tell the audience this just in via NBC, Trump has an edge with the late breaking
03:06:03.240
It could still change, but we're getting pretty late in the evening so we can start paying a
03:06:06.240
little bit more attention to these exit polls, but still huge asterisks because they change
03:06:12.740
That suggests, not surprisingly, but absolutely nothing that she said in the past week or 10
03:06:29.460
And this is why I really had this gut feeling he was going to win, because that is the messaging
03:06:35.460
of a panicked candidate, a panicked campaign, a panicked party.
03:06:40.020
They were constantly, especially in the in the real lead up to today, they were running
03:06:51.740
Even the Obamas, who know way better, yelling and hectoring at people at their own rallies,
03:07:05.320
And I think they all had this sort of flaming hair panic that like they were in it with
03:07:12.520
this loser of a candidate who, despite all of the of the the legacy media, fluffing her
03:07:24.780
I honestly think she didn't run on her gender or on her race, not out of some sort of ethical
03:07:36.460
They saw it didn't work for Hillary and it wasn't going to work for her.
03:07:42.960
Was it you or somebody else who said this, that if she were to win, it would put women
03:07:57.940
No, because all of her ineptitudes will be chalked up to her femaleness.
03:08:02.740
And then the people coming up behind her will be tagged with it.
03:08:05.580
We'll be we'll have to wear that around them like an albatross, like it's all women who
03:08:09.920
sound like this or who are empty headed or not deep thinkers.
03:08:13.160
That's that was one of my main objections to her.
03:08:15.680
We cannot have this Nimrod become the next president and certainly not the first female
03:08:22.780
And the other thing that I thought was so telling about her campaign, she was running
03:08:26.440
two different ads on the same major issue in Michigan.
03:08:35.760
And what in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, it was pro Israel.
03:08:48.400
That is the definition of two faced, what she did.
03:08:53.920
He's shaking him and not not stirring him doing the Lord's work.
03:08:59.300
I mean, well, let's wait until we have a call and then I will join you.
03:09:01.860
And hopefully by that point, you'll be on your second.
03:09:05.300
We might we might have a have a call within the next couple of hours.
03:09:09.180
We're going to have to check back in with Henry and find out.
03:09:16.860
OK, when my team and I were discussing the lineup of guests tonight and haven't been
03:09:24.680
Some of our favorites are not here, but we'll be here tomorrow.
03:09:43.040
And he wanted to join the show, but had something going on.
03:09:47.020
Actually, I think he goes to bed at eight o'clock.
03:09:48.460
Like, literally, I think he said he goes to bed at eight o'clock.
03:09:52.120
But he sent along this exclusive election day message to all of you.
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What many consider to be the most toxic, divisive, yet most important presidential election of our entire lifetime.
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Each side thinks that if the other side wins, that it will be the end of the world as we know it.
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The most powerful, biggest ship in the entire world.
03:10:40.520
And somebody, at the end of tonight, is going to take that wheel.
03:10:46.000
Now, even though nobody's been on that wheel for the past four years, somebody's going to take it.
03:10:52.320
And life is going to go on, no matter who that is.
03:10:57.040
And everybody wants to know, how do we get this country on the right track?
03:11:01.600
Well, I'm going to tell you three things that I think are most important, most influential, and that's going to steer this ship by increments that will last forever.
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First being, you need to stay true to your word.
03:11:18.940
And that means that if you don't like the way a store is catering to kids, that means you actually have to sacrifice your time and your money and go the extra five minutes down the road to the store that does have your values and does carry your beliefs.
03:11:35.800
If you're banking at a bank that sold all your information to the federal government and you don't think that was good for your privacy, that means you need to switch banks.
03:11:48.540
And when you switch, you tell them why you switched.
03:11:51.900
Number two, we're going to have to open up the conversation.
03:11:57.940
And the conversation has been extremely divisive if we've even had the conversation at all.
03:12:06.260
But I still think there are a lot of commonalities that we share.
03:12:09.900
And we need to find those commonalities and start the discussion there to build the relationship to have the harder discussions down the road that are going to really change things.
03:12:21.420
And number three, parents, leaders of the future generation, you are your kids' biggest impact.
03:12:32.720
It means you need to lead by example, and you also need to take the time to monitor what your kids are watching on the phone, what they're watching on TV, what they're taught in schools, and just be a good influence for them.
03:12:56.140
Oh, we got to get him back on now after we get results tonight, the official results.
03:13:04.380
And also joining me, Tom Bevin and Sean Trendy from RealClearPolitics.
03:13:08.620
Guys, this just in, you may have seen Fox News has now called the Ohio Senate race for Bernie Moreno.
03:13:17.540
That he will unseat incumbent, incumbent Democrat, Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown.
03:13:29.340
Tom Bevin, Bernie Moreno takes the seat in Ohio, which is not one of the ones the Republicans were banking on.
03:13:40.660
No, but this was definitely a race that Republicans had their eye on because they knew Trump was going to perform well in the state.
03:13:48.600
And there hasn't been a lot of ticket splitting at the national level over the last two cycles.
03:13:53.760
And so, you know, Sherrod Brown got a great reputation in the state, well-known, all of that.
03:13:58.920
But at the end of the day, you saw, I think the last four polls that were in our average had Bernie Moreno leading.
03:14:04.760
He sort of surged through the tape at the end of this race as Republican voters came home to him.
03:14:10.320
And so, yeah, it was a tough environment for Sherrod Brown and one he just couldn't overcome.
03:14:17.140
I feel like your affect does not match the news.
03:14:26.800
I just asked my team, have they called West Virginia?
03:14:36.620
Okay, that's only because maybe the lateness of the hour because they're mountain time.
03:14:54.700
Those states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, that's where you run up the margin.
03:14:58.800
So a month ago, Ohio seemed a little bit of a stretch.
03:15:01.580
You know, doable, but a little bit of a stretch.
03:15:03.180
But instead, they come online in recent weeks and seem more likely.
03:15:06.800
So now they're at 50, 52, and they could go 53, 54, 55 if the blue wall is falling Trump's way.
03:15:16.660
And with a margin big enough, so far it's been looking as though the Senate candidates are underperforming Trump a little bit.
03:15:22.620
So you need Trump to win by more than the hair in those places.
03:15:25.000
Charlie, what were you saying about why you think it's important to win the Senate by a lot?
03:15:28.480
Well, because I think that there's going to be a backlash against whoever wins this election, and there usually is anyway, but I think particularly given the two candidates.
03:15:40.160
And I think if you want to get as many Senate seats as you can, have a six-year time frame, so that if the country goes the other way in four years, then you create some stability.
03:15:49.900
You still have control of the Senate, even though maybe not by the same margin.
03:15:53.600
Or at least your losses aren't so great that you give the other side a mandate.
03:16:00.800
I don't like executive power, so I like to see some sort of stability in Congress, and I like the filibuster.
03:16:12.900
Okay, so I'm just trying to figure out what's happening here.
03:16:19.360
Okay, yeah, they called West Virginia for the Republican as expected.
03:16:30.060
This will wind up going for Sheehy, we think, Sean.
03:16:33.000
But let me ask you about your reaction to where we are so far.
03:16:39.240
I didn't expect to be quite this far along toward potential good news for Trump at 11, 16 p.m.
03:16:44.520
But are you seeing anything in the county-by-county analysis in the blue-wall states that would give Kamala Harris some strong hope?
03:16:51.000
You know, I think the best hope she has is that a lot of Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee are still outstanding.
03:17:03.260
And so there are some very deep blue areas of those states.
03:17:09.200
The fat lady isn't singing, but she's warming up.
03:17:12.960
This is starting to look really, really grim for Harris.
03:17:15.720
And I think the reason that Tom had such a flat affect about Sherrod Brown likely losing is that we're to the point now where we're really talking about these other three Senate races.
03:17:27.760
As you said, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, I think Democrats will be extremely lucky if they hold all three of those and very well may lose all three.
03:17:39.420
I mean, that would be just absolutely stunning, Nebraska.
03:17:44.080
They're now reporting Axios' Alex Thompson as follows.
03:17:47.620
Harris campaign manager sends an email to all staff, quote,
03:17:50.480
I mean, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the results they've seen so far, Tom, but she's also not wrong.
03:18:10.300
She or he, I'm not sure which one actually put that out, but they're not wrong that if somehow she can hold on to those three states, she's going to win.
03:18:20.480
Yeah, I mean, look, it's technically still possible, but as Sean points out, it's getting more and more sort of looking like she needs an inside straight.
03:18:31.160
I mean, she's down, she's down over three points in Pennsylvania with 76% of the vote in.
03:18:36.380
So, you know, she's down in Wisconsin by, I think, over two points, 2.2.
03:18:42.820
With almost two-thirds of the, yeah, with two-thirds of the vote in there.
03:18:46.040
So it's getting to the point where it's looking less and less likely that she will get that inside straight.
03:18:54.780
And then you see these numbers at the Senate level as well.
03:18:58.340
Look, Republicans, we always kind of knew that despite both campaigns saying that they were poised to have a great night, this is how these elections go.
03:19:07.560
Like, one side gets the better of it, and they end up winning a lot of these close battleground states.
03:19:23.000
Trump is overperforming in a lot of the Sun Belt.
03:19:25.840
And as a result, he's dragging a lot of these candidates, Republican candidates, he's giving them a lift.
03:19:32.180
And they're winning a lot of these races, or at least they're in position to win a lot of these races.
03:19:37.660
And as Sean mentions, you know, I think our final projection, our final Senate map, I should say, was at GOP plus three.
03:19:47.580
That's looking likely, and it could even be a higher number than that when all is said and done.
03:19:55.320
So she may not lose the popular vote, but basically tie the popular vote.
03:19:58.960
And where's that phrase inside straight from, right?
03:20:03.260
So she's going to have to do the same thing in the blue wall state, narrowly win each of them.
03:20:08.460
And it may be, this may be too early to say this, but it may be that the race gets into a zombie state at some point here,
03:20:15.140
where it seems like Trump is ahead in all the blue walls.
03:20:18.180
The New York Times needles and others are giving the advantage, but the count slows down as the night goes on.
03:20:22.700
And we're just sort of suspended animation where he's, it looks very likely he's on the cusp, but we don't quite tip over.
03:20:28.160
Right, because there's still outstanding vote, mail ballots that they have to count, given what's, you know,
03:20:33.480
they will discard the mail ballot counting as unnecessary to make a projection if they can get the margin of victory for Trump or Kamala to the point where they're unnecessary.
03:20:45.020
I mean, I've seen that happen many times at Fox.
03:20:48.700
NBC just reporting, in an ominous development for Democrats, the share of voters identifying with their party hit the lowest mark this century.
03:21:05.080
Republicans, 34 percent down from 36 percent in 2020.
03:21:19.500
Because that's, that's, that was the body that the Democrats were most likely to take control of.
03:21:33.620
I don't, I don't even know if there have been any so far.
03:21:37.420
So I'd say the safest bet right now is a, is a slight Republican majority.
03:21:41.520
But there are a lot of House races that are very, very close.
03:21:44.900
House races tend to lag for a variety of reasons.
03:21:47.840
So that'll probably be the last one that we have a firm answer to.
03:21:59.280
This, in an ominous development, again, from NBC, share of voters identifying with their
03:22:09.540
Well, so I said this on your show a few weeks ago.
03:22:11.780
The phenomenon culturally that is Donald Trump and the media's dominance of the narrative
03:22:21.140
have hidden the fact that the Democratic Party is crazy.
03:22:25.320
I offer many criticisms of the right week in, week out, but the Democratic Party is crazy.
03:22:30.660
And they have adopted crazy positions, not just on issues that conservatives such as myself
03:22:40.260
would oppose, but that people, when they learn about them, just recoil from, for example,
03:22:52.220
There was a piece, I think it was in Semaphore.
03:22:54.320
I can't remember where it was, but it said that Republican strategists had learned that
03:22:59.640
they had to tone down the critiques that they made of Democrats in election cycles, because
03:23:05.760
if they didn't, people didn't think they were true.
03:23:09.040
In other words, the Democratic Party has become so crazy that the average voter who is primed
03:23:14.220
to be persuadable just couldn't grasp that they weren't being lied to when they were
03:23:31.320
North Carolina now officially in the Trump camp.
03:23:37.940
And we're not getting any callbacks, and we're not getting any competing data in her favor.
03:23:45.720
This could change that, you know, we've seen in the past.
03:23:49.560
Back with me now, Mark Halperin and Dan Turrentine.
03:23:55.780
Are we seeing any of the signs of like, hold on, maybe not, blue wall?
03:24:05.560
They are moving from wine to, you know, hard alcohol at this point.
03:24:14.400
And I think now you're starting to see texts and messages about how big is the Senate majority
03:24:21.680
I think one of your guests just said, you know, perhaps 52, 53.
03:24:25.460
I think it may even get to 55, and 56 is not out of the realm of possibility.
03:24:31.160
And it's hard to see if Trump, if the night looks, turns out the way it looks like, which
03:24:37.720
is Trump is going to have an extremely good night, win the popular vote.
03:24:48.960
And there's going to be a lot of soul searching in the party.
03:24:51.740
And I think, as you guys were talking about, you know, just a minute ago, one of the things
03:24:57.700
the party's going to have to wrestle with is the animating principle of the last five
03:25:09.600
It was why he ran again, because he thought he was the only one who could beat him.
03:25:13.240
And, you know, Harris really settled the last three weeks on just why you should hate
03:25:25.060
And the party has to come to grips with it and figure out its own appeal to voters.
03:25:30.920
So does that mean, before I go to Mark, in your view, if Trump wins this with that kind
03:25:35.300
of a Senate and possibly controlling the House, that the Democrats will stop with the lawfare
03:25:41.300
and the constant attacking of him as this Hitler-esque figure, because they'll receive the message
03:25:47.140
that the electorate doesn't want to hear that and doesn't buy that.
03:25:55.320
I mean, just in the last few weeks on our own show, young women who are pro-choice coming
03:26:02.840
on in groups, not just by chance, not because we had a plan that day, I'm for Trump because
03:26:11.120
It's this, like, let me scare the bejesus out of you over how awful, you know, he's a racist,
03:26:25.260
And yet people are attracted to Trump because of the economy or his views on immigration
03:26:33.380
But do you think, Dan, do you really think the Democrats can reel it in?
03:26:36.320
I feel like it's too important to them to stop saying it.
03:26:42.820
And look, there will be some, we are a big party, that will say we need to double down
03:26:52.840
And there will be others who will see that that is a just recipe for disaster.
03:27:01.780
Well, the Democratic Party will blame Joe Biden first and Kamala Harris second, and there's
03:27:10.660
no reason to think they'll do any soul searching.
03:27:13.240
There's almost no one in the party who's been the least bit outspoken about the dynamics that
03:27:20.280
have led up to this, the attempts to eliminate Donald Trump rather than appeal to his supporters,
03:27:26.380
the failure to stop the party from moving to the hard left, the failure to be honest
03:27:31.660
about Joe Biden's mental capacities going back to 2017, the failures to find a way to effectively
03:27:39.300
stop Kamala Harris from being the nominee without any fight.
03:27:42.760
And I think most profoundly, the failure to see that the party is on so many issues, out
03:27:49.940
of step with the country, while they accuse Donald Trump of solely appealing to the quote
03:27:54.580
unquote extreme mega base, when immigration, inflation, the forever wars, some of the cultural
03:28:07.780
What are we seeing so far about the reasons this is happening, Mark?
03:28:13.000
And do you believe what you read at this point in the exit polls?
03:28:15.340
Because, you know, the voters will tell us why they're voting the way they are.
03:28:20.300
I don't like treating the exit polls like the Rosetta Stone because I used to work on the
03:28:24.800
exit polls and I know that they're, you know, they're not, they're not that.
03:28:29.040
But directionally, all the things that Donald Trump and his team said they would do, appeal
03:28:33.620
to young voters, Hispanic voters, young black men, independent voters, I suspect eventually
03:28:43.280
And I think the transformation, the realignment of this election, if the exit polls are even
03:28:53.940
close to correct, is much more profound than what happened in 2016 when he turned the Republican
03:28:59.060
Party into the party of the white working class.
03:29:01.940
Now it's the party of the white working class, black working class, Hispanic working class,
03:29:06.100
young voters, independents, that's a, that's a big realignment.
03:29:12.080
And there's no one in the Democratic Party who's close to the generational talent of Barack
03:29:17.920
Obama or Bill Clinton, the two people who found a way to reimagine the Democratic Party to deal
03:29:25.460
And if he does win the popular vote, and he may, it's going to be both symbolically and
03:29:29.960
substantively significant in a way that, again, a talent like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama
03:29:35.160
could grapple with, I don't see its soul in the Democratic Party.
03:29:39.000
And, and the first thing they'd have to do is stand up to the far left and the far left
03:29:42.900
calls the shots in the Democratic Party, which is a big reason why they found themselves where
03:29:48.180
It'll also be the greatest political comeback of all time.
03:29:56.260
Getting, getting, getting, getting shot along the way.
03:30:00.080
Sean, the, um, to Mark's point, some of the exit poll data showing that, um, men under
03:30:13.940
That's good for Trump because people under 30 tend to vote Democrat.
03:30:17.200
But the fact that Trump's keeping it tied is to his credit and she's crushing him with
03:30:23.960
He's got 36%, but she's not doing much better than Biden did.
03:30:27.840
So in other words, she pulled Biden's same margins with young women and she is doing
03:30:45.960
And the, the rise of the women, you know, the girl power, they're running.
03:30:50.460
It's not, not being reflected in these numbers.
03:30:55.660
Look, here's a couple of things that I think are going to be interesting.
03:30:57.620
In 2016, the, when we partnered, the RNC partnered with the Trump campaign, the media derided
03:31:03.800
it and said, well, no one's ever operated like this before.
03:31:09.520
This time everyone said the Trump campaign outsourced its ground game.
03:31:13.860
We're seeing, as you just pointed out, the key coalitions, the key constituencies showed
03:31:21.200
Just as a, as a side note, I know you talked about this earlier in the show, but, but you're
03:31:29.120
I talked about that earlier, Virginia, 50 to 48.
03:31:33.780
But I want to, I think you touched on this earlier, Megan.
03:31:36.080
I just want people to understand where we've been misled.
03:31:39.540
The Iowa poll came out the other day saying that Kamala Harris was up three and every left
03:31:44.980
wing legacy outlet put them on as if it was gospel truth and this massive trend.
03:31:57.460
Then he's at plus 12 right now with 80% Emerson got it.
03:32:01.740
The readers, the, the, the people who bought into that poll, oh, the American people an apology.
03:32:09.080
The methodology didn't look good from the jump, but the media was so into hating Donald Trump
03:32:16.400
That was as much misinformation as we talk about the, the, they love to talk about this
03:32:24.360
I know there's a lot of stuff on the left that we can talk about where that campaign
03:32:27.620
went wrong, but the media has another big, big, uh, need to look at itself and how it
03:32:38.380
Because we're not just seeing Donald Trump, we're going to see, I think, a good size Senate
03:32:41.960
By the way, uh, Sean Davis, uh, of the Federalist, I think, yeah, he just tweeted out, Puerto
03:32:50.000
Everyone who told you a comedian's joke was going to tip the presidential election is a
03:32:54.900
Bookmark every person who hyperventilated about that and vow to ignore them forever.
03:32:59.500
I mean, I said on the show, I thought the whole thing was too bro-tastic, which I stand by,
03:33:05.560
Um, I do think, you know, look, Trump did not behave perfectly over the last week.
03:33:11.680
Um, it wasn't his problem so much at that rally as it was those around him, but Trump
03:33:17.640
However, what we're seeing as with so much with Trump is it didn't hurt him.
03:33:22.120
People, their opinions of him are already baked.
03:33:26.020
That cake's been in the oven and it's already nice and tasty.
03:33:29.140
So what's going to happen, Dan, if, if Trump wins this and the Republicans have 55 Senate
03:33:35.340
seats and take the house, what does the left start saying?
03:33:45.520
Well, I think you, and you've already heard a little bit of this in the last few weeks when
03:33:49.480
Bernie Sanders went public that he was a little upset that, uh, Harris was spending time with
03:33:54.700
Liz Cheney and he argued that what Harris needed to be doing was focusing on working
03:34:02.980
And I think you're going to hear part of the left say that part of the democratic base has
03:34:09.200
Mark alluded to it, this realignment, people of color in the working class are now, you
03:34:13.820
know, in Trump's camp and that the party was not left enough.
03:34:17.620
And you will have people like AOC and others who are thinking of the president who are going
03:34:23.360
to come out and say that Harris has moved to the middle for willingness to not take a stand,
03:34:30.200
you know, even on, on the trans rights issues and, and this issue of the surgeries, you know,
03:34:36.680
there were Democrats who were like, she needs to come out and proudly plant the flag.
03:34:41.480
And she said kind of nothing, like I'll just enforce the law.
03:34:46.280
So I think the left, there, there will definitely be a segment that said that she was not proudly
03:34:54.360
And that is why the base of the party has left for Trump.
03:35:00.240
I mean, given, given the amount of millions that Trump spent on those NFL ads, I mean that
03:35:08.220
And the great thing about those ads were, was they were 100% true.
03:35:14.880
Then she later said, oh, well, Trump did it too.
03:35:18.900
The readers know I'm, or the listeners know I'm very, very onto this subject.
03:35:22.720
But what happened was Barack Obama changed the prison policy to require that taxpayers
03:35:31.780
Trump got in there and his administration said, what?
03:35:35.540
And tried to limit the existing policy while they challenged it in court.
03:35:41.880
One guy who murdered two people by tying them to an anchor and throwing them overboard of
03:35:46.960
their boat, who got, was in California prison awaiting the death penalty, I think, got the
03:35:59.280
Meanwhile, she actively worked to change the policy in California to provide these taxpayer
03:36:10.160
You know, when you tell a lie, when you try to dodge, when you try to do a he did it too
03:36:22.540
You guys stand by one second because we're going to bring in our legal panel to dive into
03:36:26.560
what the next few months are going to look like.
03:36:31.400
George's own Phil Holloway, host of Inside the Law, his YouTube show.
03:36:35.280
Dave Ehrenberg, state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, where Mar-a-Lago is located.
03:36:40.360
And Mike Davis, founder and president of the Article 3 Project.
03:36:47.500
Can I just ask you before we get to the law fair and what's going to happen next?
03:36:51.500
Mike, I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who's a bigger booster and more loyal
03:36:58.640
What's your reaction to what we're seeing so far?
03:37:00.300
I would say that it's going to be a very good night for President Trump.
03:37:12.180
I think President Trump's going to win pretty handily.
03:37:26.640
We're not feeling great right now, but I'm not willing to throw in the towel yet.
03:37:34.420
There are still results coming in the cities where the Democrats really are counting on
03:37:40.620
So as long as the vote has not come in yet for those cities, then there's still the chance
03:37:48.380
That has always been the main path to victory for the Democrats.
03:37:52.080
That's the memo also from Jen Dillon, the chair for the Kamala Harris campaign, that is still
03:38:09.480
There's a lot of hand wringing and bedwetting, but that's what we Democrats do.
03:38:17.100
Uh, Phil, while we were all focused on the electoral map, we got some news on our old
03:38:22.940
pal Fannie Willis, uh, seems the voters down in Atlanta are not done with her yet.
03:38:34.020
And, uh, it looks like, uh, Trump only took about 27 ish percent of the vote.
03:38:39.900
And of course, uh, she being a Democrat, it just makes common sense that she's going to
03:38:45.240
sort of ride this, uh, this blue wave that's forever and ever going to exist, uh, in Fulton
03:38:52.020
I'm just glad that our state in Georgia appears to have not become a national embarrassment
03:38:58.520
because we had some, some questions about whether another Metro Atlanta County and Gwinnett
03:39:04.280
County might have some voting irregularities or at least some issues with how those machines
03:39:12.560
But it looks like we've dodged perhaps a, uh, a national embarrassment bullet on that
03:39:19.160
So let's talk about lawfare guys, because I think we all know that really regardless of
03:39:24.460
who wins, um, there's going to be lawfare after the fact.
03:39:29.600
I mean, I think we think that, don't we think that?
03:39:43.240
Well, I do think as far as Trump is concerned that no matter what happens, he has that sentencing
03:39:50.240
That's coming up and that's going to be very interesting.
03:39:53.560
We'll get to the criminal case against Trump in one second.
03:39:55.200
I'm talking about the lawfare around this election.
03:39:58.280
The reason I think that is, I think if he wins, they're going to be calling him an insurrectionist
03:40:03.280
again, trying to get him not, um, installed, trying to get the vote, not certified, maybe
03:40:15.100
You think, do you think Jamie Raskin is going to roll over and just accept Donald Trump's
03:40:25.760
Democrats could grumble, but no, I don't think that they're going to try to do an insurrection
03:40:30.360
or do alternate electors or any of the things that happened four years ago.
03:40:34.340
No, uh, Democrats, uh, they can grumble, but they don't play the same game.
03:40:42.040
Well, it depends on how much president Trump wins by, uh, tonight.
03:40:48.660
And it also depends on whether Republicans keep the house of representatives.
03:40:54.200
Uh, you know, look, they tried to bankrupt Trump.
03:40:57.180
They tried to throw him in prison for the rest of his life for non-crimes.
03:41:00.780
They're still trying to do that with that sentencing hearing in front of judge Mershon in Manhattan
03:41:05.880
on, I think it's November 26th, they've tried to, they've tried to take him off the ballot
03:41:12.080
and they underfunded his secret service protection.
03:41:15.220
So they're, they've tried to take off his head.
03:41:18.240
The American people, it looks like, have put president Trump back in the white house.
03:41:23.260
And as you said, Megan, uh, that Jamie Raskin seems pretty, uh, determined to try to block
03:41:31.920
And I, I would not bet that that guy's going to go quietly into the night if Trump wins this.
03:41:39.640
I know that they have said, we hate election deniers.
03:41:42.920
We hate everything that Trump did, but they hate Trump more than the charge of hypocrisy.
03:41:53.100
But now if Kamala Harris manages to eke this out and we do need to discuss this, if she does
03:41:59.920
somehow manage to win these blue wall states, you guys, and it happens with the mail-in ballots
03:42:05.880
late in the game, the way we saw in 2020, Mike, you tell me what's going to happen.
03:42:14.380
Look, I think that president, if you look at the way the president, president Trump is trending
03:42:20.040
with this election, I think he's going to win beyond that margin.
03:42:24.840
I think he's going to win comfortably in these key swing states.
03:42:32.860
And, uh, you know, I, I just, I don't, I don't see a scenario where the Democrats are
03:42:38.040
going to be able to send in these late mail ballots and, and take this election for Kamala
03:42:45.820
If, if he wins, there will be the question either way, wins or loses, what happens to
03:42:53.660
And I'll come to you in one second, Phil, and we'll talk about Atlanta.
03:42:56.320
But let me start with Dave, who wanted to talk about the sentencing.
03:42:59.260
Trump is scheduled at some point to go be sentenced for the conviction that was brought against
03:43:07.260
But there is motion practice still pending on whether that trial needs to be redone because
03:43:12.860
they introduced evidence against him in the course of it that involved his time in the
03:43:18.160
And in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling that you can't introduce evidence like that
03:43:21.600
against a president, a former president, they may be in a real pickle on whether they can
03:43:27.860
So Dave, what happens if, if he, let's start with, if he wins, what happens?
03:43:34.860
If he wins, he's going to have to still show up at the sentencing.
03:43:40.200
If only they had cameras in the courtroom in New York, they really should change.
03:43:46.880
I don't know which way Judge Mershon is going to go.
03:43:48.800
I know Mike and I had differed on that, which way they're going to go.
03:43:52.220
But I can tell you that if he wins, then he will not serve any sentence in New York.
03:43:58.780
They'll stay it until after he's out of office.
03:44:00.540
And then who knows what can happen four years later.
03:44:03.460
So and as far as the other cases, he will order his attorney general to drop the case in
03:44:08.920
Washington, D.C., as well as the case that is in the 11th Circuit, the Mar-a-Lago documents case.
03:44:15.080
And then you're left with the Fannie Willis case in Phil's area.
03:44:19.220
Wait, before we get to that, before we get to that, Dave, before we get to that, will they,
03:44:23.640
will the DOJ comply if a, if a newly reelected President Trump orders them to drop the two
03:44:33.380
He's going to appoint an attorney general, like Cash Patel or something.
03:44:41.540
I don't want to get ahead of myself in cabinet.
03:44:48.120
Because that's the only way I'll stay out of GWTMO.
03:44:51.620
As you guys all know, I'm too charming to get confirmed.
03:44:55.120
And so I have 0% chance of ever being Trump's attorney general.
03:44:59.420
But I will say this, look, President Trump's either going back to the White House or he's
03:45:05.380
And I think the American people are going to determine that tonight.
03:45:10.780
So Fannie Willis has not given this whole thing up.
03:45:14.120
We had the judge who refused to DQ her, and it's being appealed, and it's not yet resolved.
03:45:21.540
So what's going to happen with the case in Atlanta?
03:45:23.200
Well, so next month in December, there's oral argument before the Georgia Court of Appeals
03:45:30.080
on the very issue of whether or not she, Fannie Willis, should be disqualified from further
03:45:37.500
And look, the judges who are on that panel all come from pretty red areas of the state
03:45:44.340
I'm not saying that politics creeps into the judicial system, but, hey, sometimes it might.
03:45:50.540
And I think, particularly that if he wins this election, and it looks like he will tonight,
03:45:55.900
I think that the Court of Appeals in Georgia is just going to have all the more reason to
03:46:03.380
And if that happens, this becomes an indictment without a prosecutor because the Georgia, they
03:46:10.080
have a state agency called the Prosecuting Attorneys Council.
03:46:12.800
They would be tasked with potentially assigning it to another prosecutor, and no other prosecutor
03:46:19.220
in their right mind in the state of Georgia is going to want to pick up the mantle and
03:46:24.460
try to carry this prosecution across the finish line.
03:46:27.800
They would have to start over from the very beginning, probably anyway, to clean up the
03:46:34.020
On the other hand, if I'm wrong and she's not recused from the case or dismissed from
03:46:38.980
the case, I think that it's stayed pretty much indefinitely.
03:46:43.560
I don't think the trial judge is going to want to proceed with any kind of active litigation
03:46:48.220
against a potential sitting president of the United States.
03:46:52.000
So one way or another, I am convinced that the Georgia case is dead in the water.
03:46:59.120
Dave, if he does lose, and the audience should be reminded, it is still possible.
03:47:06.340
We don't have a call in one of those three blue-wall states, and if she wins them all,
03:47:15.400
So if he loses, what happens with the New York case?
03:47:21.620
If the judge says, I'm not worried about that evidence we let in, I don't think that it would
03:47:26.440
have affected the verdict, and I'm going to go ahead and proceed with sentencing, then
03:47:33.100
Yeah, then he'll sentence them, and then he'll go on appeal on the grounds you just said.
03:47:38.460
And then I suspect an appellate corps may rule that it's harmless error, or they may reverse
03:47:45.120
And then Trump will get sentenced in New York, and he'll have to go through with the
03:47:52.100
And then he'll also be put on trial in Washington, D.C.
03:47:54.420
That's the next one to go, the election interference case.
03:47:57.520
And then the 11th Circuit at some point soon is going to, I think, overturn Judge Cannon
03:48:06.680
I think that the case in Atlanta is a non-starter.
03:48:10.100
I don't see any end to that one or that that one will go to trial.
03:48:14.420
So I think Trump's facing serious legal liability in those three cases, including potential
03:48:20.040
You, Phil, you're shaking your head no on the 11th Circuit reversing, just to keep the
03:48:25.640
We were talking about the Mar-a-Lago documents case, where Trump took all those documents
03:48:29.020
and then didn't give them over to the feds when they were demanded.
03:48:33.480
And the judge in that case threw out the case saying Jack Smith, the special prosecutor,
03:48:37.420
had not been properly appointed, that it could have been cured if they had just gone
03:48:41.320
to a sitting U.S. attorney and said, would you please bring these charges?
03:48:46.460
So you were shaking your head no when Dave was saying he thinks that that ruling by Judge
03:48:53.080
Aileen Cannon will be reversed by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
03:48:57.900
Yeah, I would have to respectfully disagree with my friend, because I think the 11th Circuit,
03:49:01.920
it's not carved in stone that they would reinstate the documents case.
03:49:06.400
I think the argument that Jack Smith was illegally appointed is a pretty good argument.
03:49:11.180
And let's remember, Donald Trump, if he wins, he can, of course, pardon himself.
03:49:16.180
But regardless of whether that happens, if let's say the 11th Circuit does do the opposite
03:49:22.420
of what I'm saying, that could be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.
03:49:26.260
And I think they have every incentive and every reason to take that case from the 11th Circuit
03:49:34.140
They've already dropped some hints, at least some of the justices have, that perhaps the
03:49:38.500
appointment of Smith was an unlawful appointment.
03:49:41.480
So I just don't see the document case being revived by the 11th Circuit.
03:49:46.340
And if it if it is, if I'm wrong, I think it's going to be quite some time before that
03:49:54.040
Last but not least, Mike, if Trump wins tonight, we're going to hear a lot on the left about
03:49:58.400
Trump threatened to go after this one and Trump threatened to go after that one.
03:50:02.200
And I literally heard Michael Cohen on MSNBC this week saying he's going to leave the country.
03:50:07.340
He's getting a passport with a different he recommended that the MSNBC anchors do the
03:50:14.120
So you tell me what he actually is likely to do with his Department of Justice.
03:50:18.500
Do you think he will order the prosecution of his enemies as was done to him?
03:50:23.840
I don't think he's going to order a political prosecution for non-crimes like the Biden-Harris
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aide, Steve Bannon, who went to prison, Peter Navarro, who went to prison, his supporters
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by gender chaos in schools and the resulting rapes in bathrooms.
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I mean, it's Christians praying at abortion clinics while they give amnesty to Joe Biden
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and Hunter Biden and every scumbag Biden, BLM, Antifa, Hamas, trans terrorist, abortion
03:51:11.440
I mean, you're not going to see that during the Trump administration like the Biden-Harris
03:51:30.840
I mean, we're definitely going to be talking about lawfare again, but you guys have been
03:51:36.600
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And Buck Sexton is with us as well, co-host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
03:53:11.920
Just want to let the audience know where things stand now.
03:53:15.140
Pretty much everyone is called North Carolina for President Trump.
03:53:17.960
But it's the only state that has been officially called.
03:53:21.300
The latest on the Georgia presidential race via NBC is 92% of the vote is in.
03:53:34.060
Fox reports that Republicans have taken control of the Senate.
03:53:37.620
Incumbent Republican Senator Deb Fischer wins in Nebraska.
03:53:48.520
No, one other thing, Buck Sexton, and that is Scott Pressler.
03:53:53.820
Who I don't think anybody has done more to get out the vote in Pennsylvania for Trump than Scott Pressler.
03:54:02.440
He's been like a one-man get-out-the-vote machine.
03:54:05.080
He's the guy who got that million-vote difference, advantage to the Democrats, shrunk down to 300,000.
03:54:15.360
And he just tweeted out the following few things.
03:54:17.940
President Trump won more votes out of Lancaster County than in 2020.
03:54:29.700
President Trump received more votes in Butler County, where he took a bullet for us than in 2020.
03:54:44.420
What were your reaction, Buck, to this just torrent of good news so far for Trump?
03:54:50.500
It looks like a great night for America and a bad night for communism.
03:54:57.220
This is what the Democrats richly deserve, and I would say that.
03:55:01.640
I'm usually one for good sportsmanship and, you know, consideration for a battle well-fought.
03:55:07.960
When they spend the last few days of a campaign saying openly that Trump and his supporters are Nazis, I feel no grace.
03:55:16.900
I feel no sense of sadness at the sadness that they are feeling or empathy at the sadness that they are feeling.
03:55:28.120
She's also a disgraceful person for her attempted character assassination of Brett Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearings.
03:55:44.100
And it looks like, and maybe tomorrow I'll have to eat my words, but whatever, I won't care.
03:55:48.520
It looks like the American people saw through it and have done the right thing.
03:55:52.840
And I haven't even gotten to what a great campaign I think Trump did run, the most iconic political moment of any of our lifetimes, a president taking a bullet, grazing the side of his head, and not just continuing on with his campaign, continuing with public appearances afterwards, but yelling fight, fight, fight in the moment to his crowd.
03:56:15.260
None of us have ever seen anything like that, and none of us, I think, ever will again.
03:56:18.820
And this was just a very clear choice between the return to four years of Trump policies and leadership, or I'm not even sure what we could say Kamala Harris would have done or would do if she were to win.
03:56:37.560
She ran away from everything that she had ever stood for in adult life.
03:56:41.120
She did so in about a 90-day period when it suited her, and she did so after pretending that her chief partner and the commander-in-chief didn't have dementia, which she clearly knew.
03:56:52.560
So, you know, they haven't started the tears over at MSNBC, Megan.
03:56:56.540
When I'm not checking in on your live stream, I've got a few different TVs here running, and I'll see what's going on there.
03:57:02.260
But when they start crying, I will start laughing because they deserve it.
03:57:08.640
Everything that they said about him in these final weeks as their primary methods of attack was, I think, just completely insane, unhinged, and beyond the pale.
03:57:19.440
Also, by the way, all these Republican senators have had them all on at different points.
03:57:28.640
I think Hovde is—I saw something like he was separated by six votes at one point.
03:57:33.460
I mean, it's like the closest Senate race anybody's seen since Al Franken, you know, some years ago in Minnesota.
03:57:41.280
So it's looking really good for Republicans in the Senate.
03:57:48.680
It feels like this is a reckoning on so many levels.
03:57:51.980
So let's just hope that I don't wake up tomorrow and find out that the magic ballots arrived in Detroit.
03:57:58.540
We all have to be cautious because we've been burned before.
03:58:00.860
I want to share this, Brett Baer reporting that he spoke to three separate sources close to the Harris—close to Harris and the campaign.
03:58:09.340
One said, quote, I think we're losing this, end quote.
03:58:15.960
Trump has more votes in counties in Pennsylvania where he should be losing by a bigger margin.
03:58:24.040
That's exactly how the decision desk will look at the outstanding vote to see, is he ahead by margins that could give him the padding he needs to win?
03:58:32.580
Or is he—is there still enough outstanding vote that could go her way to swing the state?
03:58:36.020
And it doesn't sound like they feel confident about it.
03:58:38.440
Let me ask you something on your analysis, Buck.
03:58:40.160
Do you think there's anything she could have done differently that would have changed the results we're seeing?
03:58:49.440
I think that I was one of the people who all along was—was insistent, and I was wrong, and unfortunately had to buy my good friend and co-host, Clay, the most expensive steak, I think, in the continental United States.
03:59:08.900
I thought that they would still run Biden, quite honestly, and it wasn't because I wasn't fully aware of the cognitive decline, as I think all of your guests, you—I mean, everyone, we're all aware of what's happened to Joe Biden in recent years.
03:59:21.220
It was bad and continued to get worse, as age-related decline does.
03:59:26.800
I mean, truly, Democrats recognize this in 2020.
03:59:29.780
She didn't become a different person because the circumstances of the election suddenly indicated that it would be more advantageous for them if they didn't have Joe Biden as the nominee.
03:59:41.740
So Kamala Harris was rejected resoundingly by the Democrats in their own primary in 2020, right?
03:59:47.420
It's one thing for Republicans to really dislike a candidate.
03:59:50.380
I mean, I know so many people who will say, you know, I hated Barack Obama.
03:59:54.520
Yeah, but he was really effective at winning the presidency, right?
03:59:58.160
I mean, you know, he was a once-in-a-generation—
04:00:04.260
As a Democrat, he was really good at that, at running campaigns and as getting elected.
04:00:12.980
And people would say, well, she was a senator, you know, she was a senator before.
04:00:17.060
Yeah, but she's a machine politician who's never actually faced any real scrutiny.
04:00:20.940
And more than that, she's really a machine politician who represents the DEI wing of the Democrat Party.
04:00:29.840
You know, this reminds me of Roger Ailes used to say that a lot of people were correspondents of Fox News and they want to be anchors.
04:00:41.880
And he used to say, he just wants to fail upwards.
04:00:45.560
That is the perfect example of failing upwards.
04:00:53.860
She might be the winner of failing upward, which is kind of a success.
04:01:03.040
She got into law school, it appears, through a DEI program.
04:01:13.580
She began an affair with a man 40 years her senior who was incredibly powerful in California politics.
04:01:22.740
She was off to the political races in California, a bright blue state.
04:01:26.420
And then we all know how she got selected as vice president.
04:01:30.540
Yes, of course, because Biden made that explicit in his very Biden way where he says the things out loud that most Democrats know to sort of keep quiet.
04:01:38.060
Look, Kamala Harris also was a big believer in the Jussie Smollett hoax.
04:01:44.160
I mean, this is the reason that we have instructions on opening packages that tell people, like, you know, don't put this plastic over your head is because they have a very, very low cognitive ability.
04:01:54.100
And when you see somebody believing that Jussie Smollett was attacked by MAGA people on the south side of Chicago, I think it's fair to say that you're not dealing with the brightest bulb.
04:02:07.520
But I think it's quite obvious that Kamala Harris was never up for this at all.
04:02:13.620
And on top of that, I don't think, you know, there are some Democrats who I would disagree with and maybe don't think are particularly gifted or bright, but I think are fundamentally trying to be decent people.
04:02:24.100
Kamala Harris is absolutely vicious and ruthless.
04:02:26.260
The Kavanaugh hearings, which I remember very well, followed very closely and thought was one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen the Democrats do.
04:02:33.840
Of course, that was before some of the stuff that I've seen them do to Trump.
04:02:37.300
And I think that she never there was never the accountability for her role in what unraveled as a as a clear hoax to destroy a man, a good man in front of his family, his colleagues and the whole nation.
04:02:48.780
So I think Kamala is is a is a person of of no leadership, no character and no intelligence and that Democrats put.
04:02:59.680
I've never said Hillary Clinton is dumb character, not her strong suit.
04:03:11.420
And and Joe Biden actually pretty dumb, but very much good at the glad handing, the grinning and the nonsense of 50 years in politics running in a state where he's never had a real challenge other than just doing whatever the Democrat Party tells him to.
04:03:26.000
So Biden kind of knows, you know, he knows his brief, we would say, like he knows how to play the game.
04:03:31.060
Not a smart guy, but not an ineffective guy as a politician.
04:03:35.040
Kamala Harris was absolutely never up for this.
04:03:36.780
I mean, just think of how offensive it is that she was running for president and that it was very obvious that the plan was don't have her do any media and spend a billion dollars so other people can tell the public how great she is and not have her actually at least Biden could pretend he was scared he was going to get covid and die.
04:03:55.940
But honestly, he was actually at risk from covid, given his age.
04:04:03.840
It was let's pretend that everything that she believed, she no longer believes.
04:04:08.600
Well, the paper statements issued by a campaign spokesperson, not even by her.
04:04:16.760
I mean, this is what I was pounding and saying about radio.
04:04:18.860
I said, if you think that Kamala Harris has changed any of this, the moment she would get into office, you would get radical executive orders on the environment, on the on the border and all of these things.
04:04:32.440
And can we see if maybe she's more moderate now or something?
04:04:39.200
And and, you know, I think that that finally was too much for people.
04:04:43.340
And I can't I'm hoping I mean, it's only what is it, midnight now.
04:04:47.000
So I'm hoping that we're not going to find out in three hours that suddenly I found dump trucks in Wisconsin full of Kamala, Kamala, Kamala.
04:04:53.720
And they're going to tell us a second because you're allowed to count them for three days after the after the election, assuming they were postmarked on the day of the election.
04:05:06.020
They say Trump has a 95 percent chance of winning Georgia, 80 percent chance of winning Arizona, 73 percent chance of winning Pennsylvania, 72 percent chance of winning Wisconsin.
04:05:17.840
Yeah, this is what and 67 percent chance of winning Michigan.
04:05:22.820
This is why it's so gloomy at Kamala Harris HQ.
04:05:27.720
And they're giving interviews, well, or at least comments to people like Brett Baer saying it looks like we're losing.
04:05:41.880
You mentioned why you think Trump is winning the stellar campaign.
04:05:48.140
I think that he showed more discipline, more creativity and more storytelling, more narrative this time around than we had seen before.
04:06:00.740
I mean, 2016 was kind of its own magical thing because of just the nature of being this guy that came down the escalator and was really making it up as he went along.
04:06:08.520
And the improvisation itself was was remarkable.
04:06:10.660
But there were clearly missteps and there were things that I think in 2020 they realized couldn't be replicated this time around.
04:06:19.580
So, yeah, it was it was the best version of Trump that that we've seen.
04:06:24.040
I think that, you know, he went into one debate and ended the candidacy of his opponent.
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I think he did well enough against Kamala in the other debate.
04:06:36.840
And I will say that the Elon factor in all of this is something that a lot of people will be looking at much more.
04:06:48.380
But I think Elon was among the most important people with the purchase of X.
04:06:52.440
But also to have the richest man in the world and the most important entrepreneur in the world go full red pill and to have people like Joe Rogan, who really do try to play it down the center, say it's got to be Trump.
04:07:15.620
And then Elon Musk had a child who said that she was trans.
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And he has said he got sucked into the medical community that said you have to affirm or the child's going to kill herself and all the things that we know that they're doing.
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I don't know exactly the full extent of it, but his eyes were opened.
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And that issue has proven very powerful, even according to the exit polls today.
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And I do think it activated and began the red pilling of Elon Musk.
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I think it set him on a path that saved free speech in America when he bought X that led him to start taking in more conservative thought by following more conservative accounts that were speaking honestly about this issue.
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I mean, I watched it happen with him, and I do believe he had a critical role in saving this election, if that's indeed the result that we're looking at tonight.
04:08:20.440
And as people wake up, they help others do the same.
04:08:32.140
Right now, we're going to get back to Henry Olson, senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls podcast.
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Well, it's continuing to look fantastic for Donald Trump.
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His vote margin continues to be sustainable, even as Philadelphia comes in.
04:09:00.940
Yeah, you can't call it, but it's just increasingly hard to see where she comes back.
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I would not be surprised if in the next three hours we are able to call the election.
04:09:15.660
She would need to have pretty much a miracle that happened in all three blue states right now in some part of the state.
04:09:24.120
And the miracles have not been coming up for her.
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So explain that, because, you know, there are still major cities like Milwaukee, like Philadelphia, I guess Detroit, that could bring in a huge amount of vote for her.
04:09:38.040
Are you seeing something that says she can't do that to, you know, put her over the edge in these three?
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Yeah, well, you know, the thing is that Philadelphia's vote is increasingly coming in.
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That, as we're talking, 86% of the vote is in in Philadelphia.
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There are votes out, but there aren't a whole lot of them out in those areas.
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And there's Trump votes that are still out, you know, like Cambria County, where they had a scanner problem.
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That's going to be like a 70% Trump County right now.
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But right now it's 50-50 because the only votes they've counted are the male early votes.
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You know, so you've got tens of thousands of votes left for Trump in rural Pennsylvania.
04:10:22.680
So, you know, Philadelphia is not going to save her.
04:10:29.960
Half the votes are in, and her margins are less.
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And there are still Trump votes out in rural and suburban Wisconsin.
04:10:40.660
Milwaukee can help, but she's not going to get saved by that.
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Michigan is the state where there's not a whole lot in from Detroit right now, and that could very well be a game changer for her.
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The only way she wins all three is for something to happen outside of the big cities that hasn't happened for her anywhere in the country tonight.
04:11:02.460
And if that happens, then maybe she can win all three.
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But it's not a hand I would want to bet on, even with massive odds given to me.
04:11:14.480
Talk to me about the mail-in balloting, though.
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I think we're all feeling a little squirrely because we all got burned in 2020 thinking, yeah, he's got it, went to bed, mail-in balloting changed everything.
04:11:27.860
Yeah, well, the thing is that the mail-in balloting, first of all, is much, much less than it was in 2020.
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Secondly, they have been able to process it much faster.
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There is not, with, again, the possible exception of Detroit, there is not that batch of 150,000 mail-in ballots left in Milwaukee.
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The mail-in ballots in Philadelphia have been reported.
04:11:57.740
So, Henry, the most important question facing us in this election, is it now looking as though your New York Post predictions are going to be proved out or not?
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My predictions in the New York Post are looking extremely, extremely good right now.
04:12:23.580
Henry, I saw it suggested about an hour ago that the Republicans might lose the House, despite what we've seen in the presidential race and the Senate.
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It's hard to go through the House in detail as I'm going through all of the other things.
04:12:51.320
And the House, of course, goes to the popular vote nationwide.
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And so Trump is going to win the Electoral College by winning small margins in high-profile states.
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I'm not sure we'll know for a while because so many seats are in California that count so many votes late.
04:13:13.240
And it's just hard to know how they're going to go.
04:13:19.060
And it looks like my prediction that if Trump takes a state, the senator, who is a Republican candidate, will also take the state.
04:13:29.140
So if the current trends go, Republicans will have between 54 and 56 seats in the Senate.
04:13:36.000
But the House will still be in play, and we won't know until more votes, particularly in California and Arizona, are counted.
04:13:45.320
Henry, do you feel that the math is so bulletproof that the left will be unable to deny the results?
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When George W. Bush won Ohio by 2%, people argue that that was because the machines cast by the Diebold company had been manipulated by software.
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And they actually challenged the votes on the floor of the House.
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Senator Barbara Boxer gave the Senate ability to have that challenge, and they tried to overturn the election.
04:14:35.880
They can deny the results if they want, but there is no justification for doing so based on the trends we are seeing right now.
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The votes will produce a result that is demonstrably true, that is demographically consistent, that is supported by exit polls.
04:14:56.640
They can do what they want, but I see any way that they can overturn this election.
04:15:02.320
And they would be only trying to rev up their base by following suit and doing that.
04:15:07.760
Henry, why haven't we gotten a call yet in Georgia?
04:15:20.600
Well, Nevada hasn't released any votes yet because their rule is that they cannot release any early votes until all of the precincts are closed.
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And so somebody must be voting in person somewhere.
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Arizona, only half of the votes have been counted, and it's 50-50.
04:15:40.600
Why the Georgia hasn't been called is beyond me.
04:15:46.040
Unless the number of votes that people think are outstanding is much, much greater than is apparent on the AP call,
04:15:58.380
it certainly looks like Georgia is outside of Kamala Harris's grasp.
04:16:03.620
I think they're being ultra cautious because of the consequences.
04:16:08.000
If they call Georgia, then they may have to call the election for Trump within the next three hours,
04:16:13.720
and they may not want to do that until it's absolutely 100% necessary.
04:16:21.540
Georgia's big, and he's had a steady lead in almost all the votes in.
04:16:30.120
We're like, kind of looks like you're in an airport, but that's your classroom, right?
04:16:35.760
I am here at the invitation of my best friend, Terry Hallmark,
04:16:39.920
who's a professor at the University of Houston Honors College.
04:16:42.940
So they're his students, not my students, but they've been here for five hours listening to all of this,
04:16:58.860
I want to bring into this discussion Victor Davis Hanson.
04:17:02.880
Victor, I mean, it's really incredible when you hear Henry say, we could be talking about 55,
04:17:14.600
I mean, this, you know, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but Henry's no slouch.
04:17:17.820
That's, that's how he sees this election potentially shaping up.
04:17:22.520
Well, you know, in the last two to three weeks, there were all these indicators that were there.
04:17:30.880
The Mexican-American, Hispanic, Latino, whatever term we use, male vote was supposedly at polling at record highs.
04:17:39.700
There was a vast defection of African-American males.
04:17:43.820
As we said last time, in particular states, there were, in Michigan especially, there was even division among the Muslim vote.
04:17:54.660
There were even reports of the Amish were being recruited more heavily by the Republicans.
04:18:04.140
And I remember in August and September, there were people on the left that did not want to get,
04:18:09.620
continue with the get out of the vote effort in inner city of Milwaukee,
04:18:13.960
because they were afraid that African-American males were going to be encouraged to vote
04:18:21.000
I'm just saying that again, because Megan, when I looked at the vote, they were static.
04:18:25.740
The polls, they were static and they never showed any of this.
04:18:31.260
And it seemed that laymen could see that something was going on.
04:18:34.620
And that just begs the question, why, why didn't they do it?
04:18:37.440
And whether they deserve it or not, their reputation is back to 2016, if that.
04:18:44.760
Because they were showing Bernie Moreno losing by, and same thing with, in McCormick and all of the Senate.
04:18:53.400
They were basically telling us it was going to be deadlocked or they were going to lose.
04:18:57.540
Republicans were not going to regain the Senate.
04:19:00.020
And Trump was, in the last 48 or 72 hours, lost his momentum, etc.
04:19:06.000
So, it really, it's just, I think it's destroyed the reputation.
04:19:11.720
There were three or two or three polls in 2020, the Trafalgar, but especially this Brazilian poll,
04:19:19.040
Atlas and Tell, and then Erasmus, that were, at least on the margin of error,
04:19:25.420
maybe not picking the winner, but on the margin of error, they were the top three.
04:19:28.720
And yet, when they consistently were polling pretty much what we're looking at tonight,
04:19:38.140
So, a lot, I think a lot of people are, I think the polls are discredited.
04:19:52.500
If a person looked at it disinterestedly and empirically,
04:19:55.260
they could see that this was not going to be 2020.
04:19:59.020
And it wasn't even going to, it was going to be better for Trump in 2016.
04:20:04.520
Victor, the Hispanic vote is turning out to be the story of the night.
04:20:09.760
Ryan Gerdusky, he just tweeted out that Trump, we verified this ourselves,
04:20:16.440
Trump won Star County, Texas, the most Hispanic county in America,
04:20:27.480
The last time this county voted Republican was in 1892.
04:20:36.400
Here is Chuck Todd talking about the Hispanic vote tonight.
04:20:49.020
And I think, you know, what's interesting here is the Republican Party
04:20:52.240
treated them the same way they treated white working class voters.
04:20:55.380
They courted them the same way they treated white working class voters.
04:20:58.180
The Democratic Party has spent a lot of time treating it as an identity group.
04:21:01.140
You know, whether it's Latinx, which sort of fell flat.
04:21:05.720
And so there's been a lot of hand-wringing about this inside Democratic circles.
04:21:13.220
it was a total misread sort of by the coastal strategists
04:21:16.380
when it comes to how to target working class voters of color.
04:21:22.100
And I think we're starting to see sort of a working class coalition
04:21:28.320
You know, before, Donald Trump had working class whites.
04:21:31.040
Now he's adding working class Hispanics and working class,
04:21:33.740
not necessarily seeing evidence of working class African Americans,
04:21:44.800
Yeah, he's got a point, but of course, he should look in the mirror
04:21:47.840
because the greatest purveyors of Latinx and identity politics
04:21:51.760
are people like Chuck Todd and the media in general.
04:21:55.680
And we've been doing this, you and I have been talking for a year,
04:21:59.680
and I've said that I could not believe that every Mexican-American male
04:22:03.340
fellow with the age of 40 in this town that I live in
04:22:10.940
And they were mostly contractors, painters, shingle people,
04:22:19.020
You know, it's a hundred and something dollars now, one-inch plywood.
04:22:33.820
And the other thing that's really ironic is we heard from a lot of people
04:22:37.800
in the traditional Republican Party that Donald Trump was a racist.
04:22:44.540
but he did much better than the people who called him racist within the party
04:22:57.380
they had the stigma of aristocratic, you know, snobbishness.
04:23:05.240
But that was the image of the Republican Party.
04:23:09.400
cuts privatizing Social Security and, you know,
04:23:14.480
muscular foreign policy that might include optional wars,
04:23:21.760
But this idea that Donald Trump, of all people,
04:23:25.520
this kind of supposedly obnoxious, crude billionaire,
04:23:31.200
by substituting class solidarity that transcended race and identity politics,
04:23:36.340
no one in the Republican Party really believed it.
04:23:49.940
the Democratic Party will rethink their open border strategy.
04:23:58.480
Per Fox's Bill Melugin, Prop 36 in California will pass reversing Prop 47,
04:24:05.480
which is that soft on crime initiative where they said,
04:24:09.040
if you steal less than $1,000, $950, it's not a felony and you're good.
04:24:17.200
And finally, the people of California got out in there and said,
04:24:20.820
you people are insane and reversed this policy.
04:24:28.120
whether she was going to vote to support the reversal of this insane policy.
04:24:34.860
I have a feeling you, Victor Davis Hanson, voted in favor of Prop 36.
04:24:55.840
Well, if you go into San Francisco and you see something that no one could imagine five years
04:25:01.880
ago, when you see cars, and I've seen them a lot, with the windows down, a little cardboard
04:25:09.200
In other words, I'm not going to get my window broken in by a thief.
04:25:18.220
But it's kind of analogous to the recent proposition two years ago that tried to reintroduce racial
04:25:24.960
identity politics and hiring, and that was refuted as well.
04:25:28.940
What's happening in California is kind of a first step.
04:25:31.220
They haven't yet evolved to get rid of the politicians that support these things, but some of these
04:25:37.700
politicians realize that almost their entire policy, whether it's the Green New Deal or
04:25:43.940
no fracking or 30 cents a kilowatt electricity or banning, trying to shut down nuclear plants, etc.
04:25:54.700
High-speed rail, it's 13 years, it's five miles from my house, Megan, and they haven't laid any track.
04:26:02.040
It's full of graffiti, and it's up to about $17 billion, right?
04:26:06.440
The 99 freeway right next to it is ossified at four lanes.
04:26:10.220
It's the most dangerous freeway in the United States per mile driven.
04:26:14.520
People are slaughtered on it every weekend while they do this utopian experiment dreamed up by the coastal elite.
04:26:22.860
So they understand that their policies are not viable anymore, even in California, especially
04:26:32.800
But they haven't made the next step yet, and that is to not vote Democratic, because as you
04:26:38.600
saw from the popular vote in California, it was heavily Democratic.
04:26:43.380
They're going to have to do it bit by bit through these little propositions, but that's a long road.
04:27:00.560
Okay, Rich, Charlie, Maureen, still with me now.
04:27:04.480
So Scott Pressler, our one-man registration factory in Pennsylvania, saying that in Berks County,
04:27:20.680
Berks County has a large population of, can you guess, Hispanics.
04:27:28.980
It's really unbelievable, obviously, seeing quite a trend here.
04:27:31.920
Um, I don't, I don't know whether this will change a thing amongst the left, our friends
04:27:41.100
I don't, I don't think they know how to speak to this group in a way that will resonate.
04:27:47.040
And just like, I don't think they're going to respond to the messaging on the trans issue
04:27:51.200
either, which is at least half of the electorate said in the exit polls, this is too much.
04:27:58.460
I want to see if I can get, yeah, about half of voters overall said support for transgender
04:28:04.360
That's the nicest framing you can possibly do of it, um, has gone too far.
04:28:10.540
I mean, if you actually said, are you in favor of chopping off the body parts, healthy
04:28:13.440
body parts of children who can't give informed consent, do you favor that?
04:28:18.960
But you tell me whether you think the Democrats can change messaging on this.
04:28:23.780
Um, you know, the left as, as Mark Halpern and his crew were saying, Halpern and his
04:28:29.680
crew were saying, is probably just going to double down and say the problem with Kamala
04:28:32.900
Harris is that she was insincere, didn't stick with, stick with the left wing positions and
04:28:36.800
went around with the Republican who didn't deliver, uh, for her in the form of Liz Cheney.
04:28:40.980
It's going to be really fun when they blame it on Liz Cheney.
04:28:44.580
But you know, the, the left has a lot to answer here for, um, for here.
04:28:51.260
But also this is a major failure of the democratic establishment.
04:28:58.840
They wanted to clear the field for her because they thought she was so great.
04:29:02.360
Maybe the only Democrat that year could lose to Donald Trump.
04:29:07.200
He was the strongest alternative against Trump and he wins.
04:29:09.580
But then they went along with the crazy idea that he was fit to run again and gaslit the
04:29:20.300
And I remember you saying, I was on, I think the day of the switcheroo and you're like,
04:29:28.240
And you ended up, you know, she, she had her moments, but you ended up being right.
04:29:33.640
And I think one, one leak we'll hear probably pretty soon if she loses, you know, a day
04:29:38.080
or two later, someone close to Barack Obama saying, you know, he always wanted a competitive
04:29:42.680
process when, when Biden stepped, stepped aside.
04:29:49.640
And that is that Joe Biden won because he was the candidate you described.
04:29:56.180
By progressive activists and historians who aren't really historians, or at least who weren't
04:30:02.040
acting as historians, that he ought to run hard to the left and forget why it was that
04:30:08.820
And so he goes from being Joe Biden, caretaker, president, bridge to the future, moderate,
04:30:14.360
reasonable man who can beat Donald Trump to trying to spend $6 trillion and going all
04:30:25.380
I mean, he totally bought into the left's culture war in a way that, I mean, you see them
04:30:30.860
Like, she wasn't touting that stuff on the campaign trail.
04:30:34.020
You saw the New York Times piece saying even they acknowledge she's distanced herself.
04:30:37.880
But I think some voters have got wise to this because they saw what happened with Biden
04:30:43.320
where he didn't run on it, but then he did it anyway.
04:30:46.060
And I've heard a bunch of people who are more moderate say, well, they don't run on this
04:30:50.880
stuff, but then the bureaucracy implements it anyway.
04:30:54.660
I mean, to your initial question, which was can they learn from it, they probably have
04:31:02.100
I think you have to lose three, basically, before you change.
04:31:05.120
The other problem they've got is they've turned a lot of their policy positions into
04:31:09.620
And the problem with moral absolutes is you can't compromise.
04:31:13.640
We go in and we say, well, we want to lower them.
04:31:18.600
But if it is the civil rights issue of our time to cut off the genitals of underage children,
04:31:30.320
And breaking that habit with them is actually going to be very, very difficult because they
04:31:34.420
have convinced themselves that this is disgracefully that this is the equivalent of Selma.
04:31:39.140
So they're going to have to work their way out of that.
04:31:41.800
But you're not going to do that with one election.
04:31:44.880
I feel so validated by this whole thing because this issue was huge for Trump.
04:31:50.300
It was all over there, as we pointed out, the NFL ads and so on.
04:31:55.540
That's why The New York Times tried to drop a piece saying Trump did it, too, which was
04:31:59.260
She raised it in her interview with Bret Baier.
04:32:03.540
But if they see that it's costing them elections, this is a very small group of people.
04:32:11.080
The trans activists, not trans people, but the trans activists.
04:32:13.920
So I do wonder, because you're going to have a tension between the Democrats who say we
04:32:18.840
need to win elections and those who say, oh, but we've got to bow, bend the knee to
04:32:23.740
these almighty activists who will make my life a living hell.
04:32:28.180
Trust me, my years at NBC, if you did a segment on the trans issue without having an actual
04:32:32.960
trans person as part of the discussion, GLAAD would be calling you for a week.
04:32:45.300
I think that we're seeing a bit of movement and it's going to take a very long time.
04:32:50.440
You know, it was within, I want to say, the past year that Pamela Paul wrote that piece
04:32:59.380
And since then, to see this become a flashpoint, I think it's going to take a lot of time.
04:33:05.980
But to Charlie's point about moral absolutes and forgive my voice, it sounds worse than
04:33:14.700
I think if things are going the way they look and Trump wins, what we're going to see on
04:33:22.760
the left is going to be very dispiriting because they are going to say hate won, racism won,
04:33:29.720
misogyny won, women's rights lost, transphobia won, and we're in for a dark, dark time.
04:33:37.740
Their postmortem, I don't think, isn't going to be about what they did wrong.
04:33:42.180
And it's going to go from Trump is bad to the country is bad.
04:33:50.140
FYI, we are expecting Trump to speak at some point soon from Mar-a-Lago.
04:33:56.820
And now just receiving word that Kamala Harris is not planning to address the public during
04:34:03.440
the night, according to a person familiar with the White House, spoke to AP and CBS also
04:34:19.040
I think he'll hedge it a little, but we're, you don't think so.
04:34:23.220
He's going to declare victory if you're losing.
04:34:27.700
But it is amazing to watch sort of the moods change at the, at the various, you know, the
04:34:34.340
I'm sure there's, it's very gloomy at team Harris or West Palm Beach, Florida.
04:34:39.600
That's Trump because Kamala Harris is in Washington DC at Howard.
04:34:43.420
The other thing I point I want to raise with you, Maureen is they will say misogyny one
04:34:48.960
and it will not only be because their women's rights issue, abortion, didn't get the attention
04:34:54.660
that they wanted it in, in electoral response, but because she's a woman, they will absolutely
04:35:03.460
That is going to be very, very dark for us, for all of us.
04:35:16.540
I mean, Tim Waltz is almost her in male form, you know, like he can't put a coherent sentence
04:35:23.320
He's got issues with stories that he's telling.
04:35:26.420
And they, they hid him towards the end of this campaign, the way they were hiding her
04:35:45.720
This too, speaking of house races via the New York Post, GOP representative Nick Lollota
04:35:55.740
Speaking of CNN, uh, in battle for New York, one Long Island house seat.
04:36:08.160
He went to California and people were saying, what the hell?
04:36:11.920
And then it dawned on me, this is about the house seats.
04:36:18.860
So the swing congressional districts aren't necessarily in swing states, but if it's close in the house,
04:36:23.620
we're going to be waiting forever for California.
04:36:25.480
I mean, it's just, it's, Pennsylvania is bad because they don't process the early vote, uh,
04:36:30.680
immediately the way they should and wake Florida and others do.
04:36:33.400
It's, it's only government can you have people do something well in advance and have it delay the process the way it does in some of these states.
04:36:39.920
But California, you know, someone could drop a ballot in a puddle.
04:36:43.300
Someone finds it a week later and shows it to the registrar.
04:36:46.500
And then they'll spend a couple of weeks trying to track down who, who voted this.
04:36:59.420
This is, by the way, one of many reasons I'm very strongly in favor of the electoral college.
04:37:04.860
I mean, it looks like the popular vote is going to be really close, right?
04:37:08.220
So we would be waiting for California for what?
04:37:11.080
Three weeks, a month, two months before we would know who the president was.
04:37:15.900
It's really, so we have a bunch of boys here tonight from my son's school.
04:37:20.400
And when my eldest was, uh, in eighth grade last year, he's in ninth grade now,
04:37:25.320
they had him debate, should we keep the electoral college?
04:37:28.460
And, uh, I think I told you guys this, and, uh, he took the position.
04:37:40.160
Um, so was, so was my son Yates was on the side of keeping it.
04:37:43.960
And, you know, they talked all about how absurd we would have no minority rights in the country.
04:37:49.400
They want to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate.
04:37:54.360
So we have no minority rights in the, in the country.
04:37:59.640
If he wins this race, he'll also win the popular vote.
04:38:02.080
So we don't have to get into that absolutely inane discussion again about whether we should
04:38:08.220
The whole foundation of the compact between the states when, when the founders were kicking
04:38:12.220
this around, the smaller states, the states that were more rural, they're bigger in territory,
04:38:19.180
They were like, what, why do we need to join up with you?
04:38:23.460
Well, we're going to have a unified government.
04:38:24.880
Well, then the, you big states with all the people are just going to come and take our
04:38:27.880
land and take our things and tax us to the eyeballs.
04:38:31.680
And they had to be guaranteed that they would have a real seat at the table and that they
04:38:48.020
It's an inherent part of the federal structure and people, um, try, other countries try to
04:38:53.880
shame us for this, but other advanced countries don't have direct, uh, democratic elections
04:39:01.780
I mean, so Canada, the last two elections Canada has held, uh, the conservative party there has
04:39:07.820
won, uh, popular vote twice and they've lost both elections.
04:39:12.300
No one ever says that in England and the labor party won, but the labor party, the last election
04:39:17.060
won 33% of the vote and they won 400 seats in parliament out of 650.
04:39:29.540
You, you live with the system that you have, but there's this bizarre idea that this is
04:39:34.960
So when they realize that they can't raise the electoral college, if Trump wins the popular
04:39:38.820
vote, they will try to find, I don't, I don't agree with my legal panel that like Dave Ehrenberg
04:39:48.100
I mean, I don't think that all the Hitler messaging was fake.
04:39:53.120
I mean, it wasn't true, but I think it was sincere on their part for a lot of these Democrats
04:39:58.060
that they genuinely believe Trump is this existential threat that he must be stopped.
04:40:02.140
I just don't, I don't know what they're going to do.
04:40:04.400
And I also worry because a lot of, I did a lot of podcasts in preparation for, you know,
04:40:09.120
before we got in the air and they were asking me, do you think that, um, that they'll see
04:40:18.180
You know, we could have Bobby Kennedy looking at some things that he actually should be looking
04:40:23.140
Not, not all the things, but like, there are some, there's some real value he could bring.
04:40:31.360
Why wouldn't the left say, I'm not going to interfere this time with endless impeachments?
04:40:37.780
I mean, they, they sincerely believe he's a fascist.
04:40:40.120
And as we're saying, though, though, this is a condemnation of the country.
04:40:42.920
It's not, it's not a seal of approval for Trump, right?
04:40:45.540
It's a sign that, that the country is fundamentally corrupt, racist and sexist and all the rest of
04:40:50.100
the, and there'll be some objections in the house to certifying the electors, assuming
04:40:53.640
he wins because he is, uh, supposedly an insurrectionist.
04:40:57.400
And, and they, they will think, you know, not with totally without reason that their methods
04:41:03.820
The, the way they'll square the circle if he wins and is inaugurated is because you can't
04:41:10.000
for too long, say the public is awful because you lose.
04:41:14.220
And they will say the public was tricked and we will get the biggest push on misinformation
04:41:21.860
If you think last time was bad, it's going, this is going to be the drive now, right?
04:41:26.260
So the first amendment is going to be right in the crosshairs.
04:41:28.660
They're going to try and draw a distinction between acceptable speech, legitimate speech
04:41:34.060
And they're going to say the public is virtuous and good, but it was tricked by Trump and Elon
04:41:42.460
And they'll, they'll come after people in our lane.
04:41:45.700
I mean, you heard, are you going to get it right in the neck?
04:41:51.980
Um, but yeah, we heard Jen Psaki on MSNBC last night.
04:41:54.620
Do you guys, do we have that soundbite saying we're going to have to do something about these
04:41:58.520
annoying digital, uh, and internet purveyors of misinformation?
04:42:14.920
Our democracy is strong and the American people are fierce.
04:42:19.440
But even if Trump is defeated tomorrow, he has exposed during his time out there some serious
04:42:27.460
And it may be time to ask ourselves things like whether social media platforms should
04:42:31.600
have the freedom to operate at a lower level of accountability than local television networks
04:42:35.740
in terms of the lives they can spread or whether the electoral college alone is the right way
04:42:40.920
to determine who should lead this country or whether just putting out there, a convicted
04:42:46.440
felon should be eligible to run for the highest office in the land.
04:42:49.920
Those are some really important questions at some point we will need to consider, but there's
04:42:58.960
It's about finally learning how much protecting our democracy matters, whether morality and
04:43:04.240
character matter, whether our rights to make choices about our own bodies matter enough
04:43:11.100
Tomorrow we will start to learn a whole lot more.
04:43:13.820
So she would love nothing more than to have some sort of language police come into the
04:43:21.900
digital lane to make sure NRO and the Megyn Kelly show have to run our content through
04:43:29.680
some sort of screening panel controlled by the Jen Psaki's of the world.
04:43:33.900
Jen Psaki, who, by the way, is such an honest journalist that she didn't even ask Doug Emhoff about
04:43:38.940
the allegations against him when she had him sitting across from her.
04:43:41.980
Jen Psaki, I liked you better when you were in the following very famous cartoon.
04:43:49.420
To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our
04:44:07.840
I'm sorry, but, you know, she's that sweet in the way she speaks, and she says very pernicious
04:44:13.540
Speaking of pernicious, Michael Knowles is here.
04:44:15.780
He's host to the Michael Knowles show for the Daily Wire.
04:44:21.000
I know it's annoying that they're not calling everything, but I am starting to have this
04:44:24.840
feeling like we are vindicated in, like, literally everything that we believe.
04:44:31.300
It would be difficult at this point in the night.
04:44:35.060
I know that the New York Times needle became infamous in 2016, but at this point in the
04:44:39.840
night, you know, the numbers have all just been moving in Trump's direction.
04:44:43.200
Last I checked, he had something like a 91% likelihood of winning.
04:44:47.700
So it would be rather odd if the graph went in the other direction.
04:44:51.820
But I think the point you all were just making is so right.
04:44:57.420
Financial markets have been pricing in a Trump win for some days now.
04:45:00.020
So the Washington Post and especially the New York Times, I think, got in front of this
04:45:05.560
story, and they decided who they were going to blame.
04:45:10.360
We saw a story in the Washington Post about how podcasters and new media companies are the
04:45:17.100
And then the New York Times really hit us, and it hit me personally.
04:45:21.220
I only saw this because it popped up in my Google alerts, and I clicked the link to
04:45:26.440
In the podcast election, disinformation flies on YouTube with no consequence, and my face
04:45:37.280
I thought I've been pretty precise in my language.
04:45:41.280
And then I kid you not, I searched in the article.
04:46:16.080
You know, before the Washington Post tried to hit podcasters, Jeff Bezos said, we in
04:46:21.200
the old establishment media are competing with podcasters and streaming, and we have
04:46:25.740
So I think, you know, if Trump wins, if it looks like the Republicans have the Senate, I'm
04:46:31.660
hopeful that we're going to hold the House, so maybe they'll be stymied in this for a
04:46:38.020
I think that the new media conservatives who broke the establishment media, we very well
04:46:43.840
could be public enemy number one for the liberal establishment.
04:46:47.060
Well, that, if they take control of the House, it could be a real problem.
04:46:51.420
If they're not in power in the House or the Senate or the White House, it's less of a
04:46:55.880
Though they have these outside agitator groups that could be difficult.
04:47:03.600
In every state where voters, sorry, in every state where votes are nearly complete, according
04:47:08.920
to our estimates, Trump has improved his margin compared with 2020.
04:47:13.680
In every state where votes are nearly complete, he's improved his margin compared with 2020.
04:47:19.460
Even reliably blue states like Delaware, Rhode Island and Vermont have seen a Republican
04:47:25.940
If our election model's current estimates hold, the presidential margins in New York
04:47:31.040
and New Jersey will also shift nine or 10 points more Republican.
04:47:42.480
I mean, that ought to help on keeping the House in Republican.
04:47:44.980
This is like, if this is all true, this is a wholesale rejection of the nonsense that we
04:47:53.040
have had shoved down our throats for four years.
04:47:56.720
Michael Knowles talking about, listen, we launched this show four years ago.
04:48:02.020
We launched this show right in the middle of the race essentialism, George Floyd mania,
04:48:06.840
the nonsense around cops and BLM and the trans stuff was exploding.
04:48:11.240
Everything, all of which is on them, all of which, everything we've been doing to the
04:48:16.460
young children, that's on them, dividing them by race.
04:48:19.780
There's a school that was in the news this past week for saying, depending on who wins
04:48:23.780
the election, hint, hint, Trump, you can have the next day off.
04:48:30.280
And that school divided kids by race in an exercise reported by parents and had them yell
04:48:37.920
at each other or do some sort of nasty exercise.
04:48:43.560
And that's why a state like New York would turn on them 10 points.
04:48:51.220
The economic policies, Michael, the immigration, the busing of the immigrants up to places like
04:48:57.800
We've seen New York City overrun social services no longer available.
04:49:01.920
People, this is how you get deep blue states to say 10 points in the favor of the orange
04:49:11.700
I never thought that Trump was going to win New York.
04:49:14.660
However, I was at MSG whenever it was a week or so ago, and there were about a zillion
04:49:21.000
I mean, there were 20,000 people fit inside MSG.
04:49:23.320
There were probably another 80,000 or more just outside.
04:49:26.840
They were broadcasting it on the side of Madison Square Garden.
04:49:32.880
The feeling, even in New York, I said, I don't think we're going to win the state, but it
04:49:36.780
might help some of those tight congressional races.
04:49:39.180
And it might give you this bizarre situation we have tonight where the margin in New York
04:49:48.040
Kamala's margin of victory in New York is slimmer than Trump's margin in Florida.
04:49:53.180
And so, to your point, Megan, you say this is a wholesale rejection of Kamala and what
04:50:00.960
However, I wonder, once the fog clears, assuming the election does end up going Trump's way,
04:50:06.460
we might look back and say, you know, this election was a vindication of common sense.
04:50:12.500
Yeah, it turns out that when inflation jumps 23% in three years, voters don't like that.
04:50:19.180
Turns out when you allow an invasion of your country, voters don't like that.
04:50:23.000
Turns out that when you kick out the duly elected nominee of your party and replace him
04:50:28.300
with a woman who is one of the least popular politicians in the country, never won a single
04:50:32.780
primary vote while running for president, turns out voters don't like that.
04:50:36.220
You know, we've been so in the weeds on all of this.
04:50:39.700
Some of us even fell for the Iowa poll, the outlier that came out a couple days ago, said
04:50:46.420
But really, you know, once the fog clears and you look back on it, you might just say,
04:50:51.160
oh yeah, that was pretty commonsensical all along.
04:50:54.280
Kind of like the common sense that you shouldn't dress a little boy up like a little girl.
04:50:57.920
You know, maybe actually reality is reasserting itself at long last.
04:51:07.040
I want to tell you that moments ago, there was a Kamala Harris campaign spokesman who came
04:51:12.300
out at her watch party at Howard University in Washington, D.C. and said she will not be
04:51:18.940
speaking. The headline on NBC live feed just now, Harris campaign vibe check, colon, not
04:51:25.680
good. Stephen L. Miller, Red Steez, he goes by on X. Very funny.
04:51:30.620
He's been on the show recently and he observes the following.
04:51:34.260
The entire girl boss, I'm speaking campaign sends a man out to speak for her on election
04:51:46.220
I'm having such throwbacks to 2016 when everyone was waiting at the Javits Center in New York
04:51:52.500
for the big Hillary party. And she sends out poor Mr. Podesta. And he walks on that stage
04:51:59.500
and he says, you know, I remember the words almost verbatim. Thank you so much for showing
04:52:03.960
up for Hillary. Hillary has always shown up for you. And you're waiting. There's the ellipsis
04:52:09.960
except for right now when it matters most. You're getting the same, same feeling from
04:52:16.740
You really are. Just taking a look here. Let's see. Vivek Ramaswamy, exit polls show that
04:52:23.580
threats to democracy was a top issue. MSM thought that meant votes for Kamala, but turns out it
04:52:31.000
was exactly the opposite. Voters are rejecting censorship, lawfare and dishonesty. I mean, that
04:52:37.020
is a question. What, you know, what is in threats to democracy? They're the ones who try to get
04:52:41.960
Trump thrown off the ballot. They're the ones who use lawfare to try to stop him from being
04:52:46.680
able to run it all. I wonder, I'd love to dig deeper in that poll. I have a feeling that the
04:52:51.440
exit polls probably didn't ask exactly who the threats would be against.
04:53:05.800
You know, I wonder also just what we're going to get from the pollsters afterward because they
04:53:15.740
played this so safe. And some of these margins were not all that tight. So, you know, to your
04:53:21.980
point, you know, we try not to read the tea leaves of the exit polls too early in the night. I think
04:53:26.380
now it's a little safer territory to do it. But also, you know, this was a tough election to map out
04:53:34.960
because the rules changed. Democrats changed a lot of the rules in 2020. They used COVID as the
04:53:40.740
excuse to do it. So you saw greater use of mail-in ballots. You saw a great expansion of early
04:53:45.900
voting and ballot drop boxes. And so if you don't have precedent, it's very difficult to model in for
04:53:51.400
the future. And so a lot of people are going to end up with egg on their face. Though I'm happy, at least at this
04:53:57.860
moment, that right now it seems that you're seeing good news for the Republicans and proof that there
04:54:05.080
is a real political realignment taking place. If Trump is really pulling upwards of 20% of black male
04:54:12.080
voters, that is an absolutely shocking number. If Trump is pulling 44, 45% of Hispanic voters in certain
04:54:19.360
states, that is an absolutely shocking number that we haven't seen in 20 years. There's always this talk
04:54:25.740
about the realignment. And the party that has lost recently always touts the supposed realignment
04:54:32.300
that's taking place. But it was hard to deny this time. The Teamsters don't endorse Kamala.
04:54:37.960
The LA Times doesn't endorse it. The Washington Post doesn't endorse Kamala. You've got, I don't know,
04:54:43.380
just major institutional shifts. Elon Musk is a liberal. He endorses Trump. Joe Rogan is a liberal.
04:54:51.340
He still is. Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy. You know, I think they can truly say in a way that isn't
04:54:58.400
cynical or pandering and that is totally sincere, they did not leave their party. Their party left
04:55:03.920
them. And there are a lot of people. There is a reason that Joe Rogan is the biggest podcaster
04:55:07.620
in the world. He is speaking to your average American voter. And so the Democrats, if they're
04:55:13.640
capable of it, will have to engage in a lot of introspection, a lot of soul searching after this.
04:55:18.320
I'm not sure the state of their souls. In fact, you know, that might be part of the introspection
04:55:23.220
too. But if they can bring themselves to do it, it would really help them. Because Joy Reid's
04:55:29.220
screaming about fascists in Florida and how the white women failed black voters again. I don't
04:55:36.800
think that that is going to help them in 2028. I hope somebody, maybe it'll be me, does a video
04:55:42.520
about how, we don't want to see your black woman tears, like she did about white women crying.
04:55:46.900
I know, they're white women tears. I laugh at them. She's such a nice person. Michael,
04:55:54.600
A pleasure as always to be with you all. I hope that we're popping champagne in an hour
04:55:59.420
I know. I hope so too. I don't want to get too cocky, but yeah, it's looking good right
04:56:04.160
now. Guys, one of the things that's interesting about the exit polls is Fox News exit polling
04:56:10.320
showing Trump increased his support among white Catholics in Michigan to plus 24. All
04:56:17.760
I can think of is the Al Smith dinner. I mean, I don't know, but...
04:56:22.100
And also she was asked about abortion and she said that there will be no exceptions
04:56:27.440
whatsoever, which in practical speak means that her administration would have used executive
04:56:33.080
power to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions.
04:56:36.120
Yeah. And I just, I know personally as someone who's married to a Catholic, that that is just
04:56:44.640
You're telling a doctor who's Catholic, he actually has to take the life of an unborn
04:56:48.860
And that was the Holly Jackson interview, another kind of sympathetic, friendly interview
04:56:52.140
where she was trying to just elicit, well, can we have a little compromise on this?
04:56:55.680
And she's, and Harris says, no, we can't. And just if Trump pulls this out, it'll
04:57:02.400
be the, an enormous personal vindication. Cause no matter what he said about 2020, I think
04:57:08.460
deep down, he realized he lost. He felt as a deep personal humiliation and to come back
04:57:13.520
and win again. He was a legend before this for a lot of people in MAGA and the Republican
04:57:18.780
party when he just won one out of two. But after this, I mean, his personal hold on the
04:57:23.700
Republican party, at least for the next year or two after this will be extraordinarily strong.
04:57:27.520
I think it'd be longer than that. I think this it's the party is MAGA if they've become
04:57:32.140
one in the same and everyone else is going to have to fold in, in some way, shape or
04:57:35.940
form. It also, if this is the victory that we think it is, sets JD Vance up to be the
04:57:40.840
next leader of the party. I mean, this, like for me, it's unbelievable. I interviewed that
04:57:46.000
guy a few years ago, you guys, and he was a little, forgive me, JD pudgy. Um, he was
04:57:54.660
so young. I mean, he honestly looked like he wasn't even shaving. He was also harsher
04:57:58.840
about Trump than Charlie or, or he was, he was way more never Trumper than you. Yeah.
04:58:05.040
Yeah. And by the way, I would, I don't know how statisticians could even conceivably do
04:58:11.020
this, but I would love to see the number of voters who formerly identified as never Trumpers
04:58:17.040
who pulled the lever for Trump. Yeah. Because I think there is a substantial number of them.
04:58:21.420
And when you saw that rally at Madison square garden, knowing that New York city is never
04:58:26.180
going red, but that turnout, that wasn't just bridge and tunnelers, the long Islanders,
04:58:31.480
the New Jerseyans, but Manhattanites from the upper East side and, and a mixed crowd that
04:58:38.060
just said so much about where the country is going. And like you guys just said, this wholesale
04:58:43.840
rejection of this leftist orthodoxy, that's been shoved down our throats for the better part
04:58:49.640
of four years. And the rest of us being told that we're amoral Sybarites if we don't get
04:58:55.060
it. Yeah. Also, I think Buck Sexton was making this point. I don't think we can underestimate
04:58:59.500
the effect of the first assassination attempt. His favorable rating took a, a, a jump up after
04:59:05.080
that and never came down. Now he's still, he still hasn't been popular. His favorability
04:59:08.920
is a little bit under his favorability, but he was as popular as he ever had been after that.
04:59:14.200
And he, he, uh, and that, that effect endured. You know what else too, Rich? I mean, I, I gently
04:59:21.140
chastised Tucker for this at one point, but he got up there at the RNC convention, Tucker
04:59:26.400
did and said, Trump's changed after, you know, the RNC convention happened days after the
04:59:31.360
assassination. And he said, I'm telling you, he's changed. And I laughed at the time and
04:59:35.140
I gave him jazz saying, well, sure, you know, Trump hasn't changed. He's not going to change.
04:59:39.120
And then Trump went right back to using his usual insults and so on. And I, and I, I was like, see,
04:59:44.660
but the truth is, if you think about Trump pre-assassination attempt post, cause we've
04:59:48.500
had a longer time now, I actually think Trump did change a bit. Um, it's not that he didn't,
04:59:53.560
he stopped insulting people, but I do think he got, I don't know, like, this is a weird word to
04:59:58.920
use for Trump, but maybe like in his own way, a little sweeter, like his bit at his rally. And I
05:00:05.940
watched it last night, but I've been watching a lot of it because we've been getting closer to the
05:00:08.920
end here. He's trying harder to make people like him, you know, he's like being more generous
05:00:15.540
with his supporters and with himself and being more self-deprecating. And we haven't even spent
05:00:21.840
a minute on McDonald's and the garbage vest, the garbage, like deprecating. That's like a guy who
05:00:29.280
is saying like me, you know, please like me. I'm willing to do these fun, humiliating things to
05:00:37.080
myself. And, um, I actually think there's that, that that's paying some dividends on the guy.
05:00:42.460
I think he, I actually have hope, maybe I'm nuts that a second Trump term could be a bit kinder and
05:00:49.900
gentler and less chaotic than the first one. If only they will let it. And I don't know that they
05:00:57.200
will let it. Thoughts on that? Yeah. I don't know. You know, we'll see, we'll see if he wins
05:01:03.820
the administration. I mean, it's just, it's sort of the way he operates. Um, he, he, he's, he's the
05:01:09.220
one that is in charge. He's not told by anyone what to do. Some, someone who worked for him the
05:01:14.280
first time around said he realized that one word you can never use with Trump is should, if you want
05:01:19.960
him to do something, you can't say, sir, you should do this because they're inherently going to reject it.
05:01:23.840
And they can give him the two options and betray one as, as being the better and the other, the
05:01:28.540
worst and hope he'll go with the, the better. But I think that this, the chaos of the first
05:01:33.180
administration had a lot to do with just his natural temperament and character. And I don't
05:01:37.920
think that's changing. Well, but they were trying to impeach him. They were accusing him of being a
05:01:41.700
Russian agent. They're going to do it all again. Are they? Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, you both are, you have no
05:01:45.920
doubt. No doubt. Why? Uh, well, because even now when they don't know that he's one, they're starting.
05:01:53.920
What do you mean? Well, I mean, if you just look at not what was being said on TV already, what
05:01:59.880
John King, not John King is saying, but for, I mean, Joy Reid immediately said that Florida came
05:02:08.220
out as it did because it's full of, it's, you know, full of white supremacist fascists. Um,
05:02:14.000
actually, you know, it's, it's full of Hispanics who seem to have moved heavily to the right,
05:02:17.940
but it's going to be tough to sell that, but she tried. And I have no doubt that I don't think
05:02:22.520
they'll impeach him within 10 minutes. If they win the house, the Democrats will impeach him for
05:02:27.340
winning the election. They're going to try and not seat him. See that exactly right. So, so can you
05:02:31.100
speak about that? Cause I don't agree with Dave Ehrenberg was like, no, they're going to accept
05:02:34.100
it. That's Democrats. Absolutely not. I think they're going to try to get him to stop that.
05:02:37.400
Maybe they'll use convicted felon. Maybe they'll use insurrectionists. Maybe they'll say he cheated
05:02:42.000
somehow, but there is no way they are just going to let him take office. Yeah. I mean, he, if he's one,
05:02:47.420
he will take office, but they're going to try and stop it. And if they've won the house,
05:02:50.680
they're going to find a reason to impeach him quite quickly. Yeah. There'll be a third impeachment.
05:02:56.720
Definitely. Well, I guess as soon as he takes office, exactly. They'll find something. And
05:02:59.780
Trump is so non-traditional that there'll be something that he does right. To give them
05:03:05.400
some grounds for alleged impeachment or what have you. It's going to be chaotic.
05:03:09.500
I will say they, they, they did learn some lessons from the first time around. I think the, the,
05:03:15.360
the whole personnel thing, the balls gotten rolling on that faster than it did the first time around.
05:03:20.320
They've never really got on the right side of that. The whole administration, there are a lot
05:03:23.720
of positions they never filled. So I think they'll do better on that, that score, but the environment's
05:03:28.580
going to be extremely hostile. And he's someone who likes doing things on the fly.
05:03:33.220
I am worried. I have to be honest that they're going to try to kill him again.
05:03:40.260
My worry, and I almost hate to say it is that it's, he'll be very well protected. Right.
05:03:46.540
Really? Well, yeah. But what about the people working for him and how far down can that protection
05:03:52.100
go? Oh God. So yeah. If you're the deputy secretary of something, are you in more threat than you've
05:03:58.720
ever, than such person's ever been before? That's dark. I hadn't considered that. I mean,
05:04:04.300
it's dark enough to think about it happening to Trump, but I just don't, I mean, these nutcases
05:04:08.940
out there that tried to stop him even from getting to tonight. Right. I, I don't like, I don't have,
05:04:15.480
I gotta be honest with all due respect. I don't have faith in the secret service to keep him safe.
05:04:20.000
Really? I mean, why, why would I? It's a fair point. It's a fair point. There's something about
05:04:25.880
this campaign though, that has struck me. And I wonder if it will carry over into his
05:04:32.220
administration, which was when Kamala secured the nomination without getting a vote and it was all
05:04:40.480
joy, joy, joy. And the Democrats were so happy because they had been freed of the burden of Joe
05:04:46.460
Biden. Her campaign in recent weeks has slid into something that feels very grim and desperate.
05:04:53.440
Whereas Trump's flipped over into a campaign that felt joyous, optimistic, to your point, funny,
05:05:02.260
self-deprecating. And I think that that is the voters who went his way are choosing optimism.
05:05:11.080
Her joy was a facade. His, I don't think was. And I don't know how much the assassination attempts
05:05:17.560
factored into that. But if they did, that's pretty remarkable way to pivot yourself instead of
05:05:23.960
stewing. Right. Did you see that, that tape this week, Maureen, where Elon was at one of the events
05:05:30.640
with Trump and he's got the arms up in the air and he's like, it's going to be fun. His midriff is
05:05:35.660
exposed. It's like, it's going to be so fun. He convinced me. I'm like, you know, it actually could
05:05:41.740
be fun. I can't wait to see what Elon Musk is going to do. I was with him at the all in summit
05:05:46.480
out in LA or wherever we were. Yeah. LA. And he was saying like, they're going to this department
05:05:52.560
of government efficiency, the doge thing or whatever he's calling it. Um, they are going
05:05:57.520
to cut. It's going to be a little Javier Millet esque with the chainsaw, you know, the Argentinian
05:06:03.400
leader. I'll believe that. Yeah. But he owns Twitter. I'll believe that when I see it,
05:06:08.180
I think he, because I think he will go in there, identify all sorts of things that can be cut.
05:06:12.840
And I've seen nothing ever in Donald Trump that suggests that he's fiscally conservative. But he
05:06:17.380
loves to fire people. Maybe, but you need to do a lot more than fire people to actually save money.
05:06:23.320
You have to get rid of departments. You have to ask Congress to cut funding. You have to make
05:06:29.200
people's lives difficult. I mean, otherwise it's just symbolic, right? I think he's going to do it.
05:06:33.140
I disagree with you. I hope you're right. Yeah. I hope you're right. I think it's one of his main
05:06:37.060
platforms. And it's actually, remember when I was getting ready for that, uh, debate in December of
05:06:41.840
last year with Vivek and the others, Vivek was running on a promise to fire every civil service
05:06:49.000
worker whose social security number ended in odd. That's halfway there. And it was funny because
05:06:57.680
everybody, you know, around the debate table, I'm like, you know, should I, should I press him on it?
05:07:02.900
We don't have that much time. And half the room was like, yes, definitely. I'm like,
05:07:07.580
you're not evens, are you? Your odds. Anyway, the point is those two are like-minded on
05:07:13.380
cutting the size of government, finding efficiencies in government. And I mean, I think that could be
05:07:17.980
miraculous. All I can think about, I played this scene for the audience a couple of weeks ago or
05:07:21.580
months ago when Charles Grodin comes to the white house in the movie, Dave, remember? Yes. He's the
05:07:27.160
accountant friend and, uh, Dave played by Kevin Kline, just six, his buddy over like a couple of
05:07:32.380
Reuben sandwiches on the books. I know, but that's, that's why I'm skeptical, right? Cause
05:07:36.920
that's not actually how you cut government. You don't, it's not like you go through your budget
05:07:40.640
and say, Oh, I have, I'm the opposite of a wet blanket. What do you mean? Well, the wet blanket
05:07:46.760
would say, Oh great. He'll do it. I'm, I'm being a bastard. I'm saying, I don't think he will do it
05:07:51.420
because Charles Grodin's looking through the books. Like it's like, Oh, as if he's going to say, Oh,
05:07:55.680
we've got two Netflix accounts. We've got to get one, get rid of one of them, but that's not
05:07:59.900
where all the spending is. I'll be a little more optimistic here. He's not going to reduce the
05:08:03.040
size of government. He's not. But one of the, there are several successes in the Trump administration.
05:08:07.860
They're just Trump started saying, go figure it out. The border remain in Mexico and all that,
05:08:12.620
that does this clever people thinking about what legal authority we have and how we can use it.
05:08:17.060
No one wants to talk about it, but operation warp speed was Trump just saying, we're going to do this.
05:08:21.280
We're going to do it faster than anyone ever has before. And everyone's like, no, no,
05:08:23.960
you can't do that. And, and they did because he insisted on it. The Abraham Accords is another
05:08:28.020
example. So if he gets Elon in there, I think they'll come up with some clever ideas. I don't,
05:08:32.460
I don't think, you know, size of government is being reduced or, you know, they're going to cut
05:08:36.480
the department of education. They'd need Congress, right? So they may control Congress. They might.
05:08:41.740
Yeah. Still, that's, that's a heavy lift. I'd love it if they could do it, but there will be some
05:08:45.380
clever, clever and important things that I think will come out.
05:08:47.900
I have to use political capital for that. So I hope he does.
05:08:50.740
Well, that's the other thing. If it looks like, and I mean, I, I mean, it's right now it's done
05:08:55.160
unless something drastic happens in the other States that, that they control the Senate,
05:08:59.300
that he's going to get all of his cabinet secretaries.
05:09:05.240
Is that an attorney general, which he really wants and needs?
05:09:07.560
Yeah. I mean, that's amazing. They keep this rolling. They could be in a filibuster proof
05:09:12.860
majority. No one said the word 60. Nobody said 60.
05:09:18.400
Well, how about this? How about this, Rich? How about they turn around and do to the Democrats
05:09:24.200
what they've just been threatening to do and they eliminate the filibuster for minority rights?
05:09:34.060
You know what would be funny, and I'm not advocating this because I oppose this,
05:09:36.980
but what would be really funny is on day one, you pick up the Kamala Harris court packing bill,
05:09:42.560
the 18 years, right? And you say, fine. Anyone who's been there for 18 years or more is out.
05:09:50.100
So the three Republicans go, they replace the three Republicans, and then they just wait a
05:09:54.960
couple of years and get rid of Kagan and Sotomayor and replace them too.
05:10:03.320
And the court's now nine to nothing, but that's what you said you wanted.
05:10:07.420
Well, that, you know, we should spend a minute on the court because, look, this wasn't a big
05:10:12.680
issue in this campaign because the justices are not that elderly right now. And I think
05:10:17.260
because also Republicans who usually run on it didn't want to mention it, given the backlash
05:10:21.840
to Dobbs and how the left is completely freaked out over the court. It's better not, you know,
05:10:26.040
to get into it, though. It typically motivates Republicans more than Democrats in elections.
05:10:29.740
But Thomas is getting long in the tooth. Love him. But he's getting up there.
05:10:36.200
People have mentioned Alito. I think he's still relatively young by Supreme Court justice
05:10:39.240
Young, but he's tired and bored and sick of it.
05:10:46.320
I think he might take the opportunity to retire.
05:10:52.360
I don't want him to. I'm just saying he might take the opportunity.
05:10:55.180
The upside is his wife will be able to fly more flights.
05:11:02.560
I should have asked Mike Davis. He clerked for Alito.
05:11:07.400
Yeah, he probably knows, though. But Mike Davis, I have to tell you this.
05:11:09.800
It was two summers ago. Mike Davis dropped this piece on the Mar-a-Lago case,
05:11:14.900
which was totally radically different from anything I'd been hearing anyplace else.
05:11:18.640
From Andy, who's a genius, who I love. He's my go-to on everything.
05:11:21.980
Turley. Nobody was saying what Mike Davis was saying.
05:11:25.240
Is he a nutcase? Maybe he's a nutcase. I don't know.
05:11:27.780
I started reading. I started looking more at Mike Davis.
05:11:30.500
I'm like, this guy actually makes a lot of sense.
05:11:35.540
Comes on, starts arguing with Dave Ehrenberg, making all these predictions on the law fair.
05:11:39.840
He hasn't been wrong. He's been right about it all.
05:11:43.140
It all. He really should be under consideration for, if not AG, some sort of top role.
05:11:55.760
It takes 270 to become president of the United States.
05:12:08.460
Wow, I didn't realize he's only two years younger than Thomas.
05:12:14.940
Yeah, Sotomayor is 70, but not in the best health.
05:12:33.340
By the way, I know you guys wrote a piece over at NRO,
05:12:39.980
which is all about cutting down on the administrative state.
05:12:47.960
and government getting too involved in our business
05:12:50.140
in the wake of Peanut the Squirrel's execution?
05:13:05.520
How do they go in there and kill a little peanut
05:13:13.620
The young men from the high school are horrified.
05:13:31.060
The trajectory we are on is an overwhelming Donald Trump victory
05:13:40.640
The New York Times needle is now 95% chance Trump wins.
05:13:45.440
New York Times needle on the Electoral College.
05:13:52.460
And the needle has got Trump winning the popular vote too by 1.2.
05:14:01.820
He's looking at some Trump and make America great again hats.
05:14:06.480
I've got to show you this clip because I wanted to do it.
05:14:11.800
We've talked about her problems and how she's inauthentic
05:14:23.520
I think that totally embodies this where you may have seen it.
05:14:26.460
She tries to get a chant going at her rally in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
05:14:52.820
Even my team starts dropping balls at this hour.
05:15:25.800
No, it's a different one where she starts them chanting like,
05:16:13.260
I mean, like, she couldn't get the chant going.
05:16:19.120
But there's no connection between that audience and their purported leader.
05:16:24.020
I know I have said before she's the left Sarah Palin.
05:16:37.920
Like the girl who was like, I'm going to get it.
05:16:45.680
Someone posted a while ago during the primaries to contrast Trump with with DeSantis and some
05:16:50.920
others in terms of just his charisma and his performance ability.
05:16:53.920
But he was at a rally and the lights went out in the arena and everyone's kind of, you
05:16:59.760
And he's like, who are these people turning off lights?
05:17:05.340
So they're applauding into the fact that the lights were off.
05:17:14.260
There's I really don't want to keep saying I just have this terrible vision of waking
05:17:25.500
And we said all the wrong things because somehow she managed to turn it around.
05:17:29.240
But I mean, no one is predicting that's going to happen.
05:17:32.720
Not not any not CNN, not MSNBC, not Fox, not not Henry.
05:17:40.720
And I just think I don't know why they can't call the races right now.
05:17:46.280
There's just too much outstanding in counties that must be blue for them to get there.
05:17:53.920
And I have to say something I've been wanting to say now for weeks, but I didn't want to
05:18:03.180
I am really looking forward to the million thought pieces on why she failed so miserably
05:18:10.840
and how she never should have been chosen and admitting the truth exactly about how this
05:18:20.180
Because now the finger pointing in democratic circles is going to be vicious.
05:18:34.640
And it should have been some open process, competitive process.
05:18:41.880
And, you know, I do think they didn't say it, but clearly the body language and the silence
05:18:47.200
about Kamala right at the beginning from Obama and Pelosi strongly suggest that that's what
05:18:53.980
I mean, they know fundraising for a unified candidate through the entire convention, maybe
05:19:02.680
But she took in a billion dollars in a couple of, in a hundred days.
05:19:05.900
She, whoever they nominated could have done it.
05:19:19.160
But it was just going with some form of order rather than chaos.
05:19:27.660
But we'll hear from all the people who wanted an open process.
05:19:29.720
And clearly, if she had had to run in primaries and caucuses, she wouldn't have survived, right?
05:19:35.080
And even if she had won, she would have at least been a little better than this.
05:19:45.840
The Democrat Party cannot reject the black woman.
05:19:48.360
And then there was this discussion of, well, what about Michelle Obama?
05:19:52.980
And Sonny Hostin over on The View was like, we're not interchangeable.
05:19:57.440
And it's like, okay, no one said you're interchangeable.
05:19:59.900
But one of those two people has talent in front of an audience and one does not.
05:20:05.040
And I just think it was their commitment in the end to identity politics that killed them.
05:20:12.840
And she may have won in the primaries and caucuses also because they would have been uncomfortable rejecting a black woman.
05:20:19.500
The magic bullet that got her straight up the corporate ladder into the DA's office, AG, senator, VP.
05:20:30.600
It hit a steel wall and could not propel her to the next step.
05:20:38.880
But that's one of the good things about the result, if this is the result, is that we no longer will watch everyone pretend.
05:21:14.380
We could be close to this whole thing getting called.
05:21:17.360
We're going to see and raise the students he has behind him with your class of interns here.
05:21:29.040
I mean, at this rate, if we're like on the precipice of, oh, wow.
05:21:48.240
I'm toggling back and forth between CNN and Fox.
05:21:51.640
So if she won Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin.
05:22:35.620
If he won Pennsylvania, he's going to win the other two because he's more ahead
05:22:49.220
I just like I got all these high school kids here who are, you know, 17, 18 years old.
05:22:53.320
You're not on mic, so I'll repeat what you say.
05:23:03.420
It'd be a sad commentary on our country that we are able to pick someone like Kamala to be
05:23:10.060
I mean, she's just like, she's a puppet, and it's clear.
05:23:14.020
And it'd be a sad commentary if we pick somebody like that.
05:23:20.740
Trump won't start any new wars, and she will continue all of these wars.
05:23:24.380
Trump won't start any new wars, because if he did, who would have to fight them?
05:23:34.660
Yeah, I mean, it's really crazy, because I was texting with some friends, and we were
05:23:39.100
talking about, you know, the pro-war sort of side of, not even pro-war.
05:23:44.840
I think it would be her incompetence that would get us involved into something.
05:23:48.380
I don't know how much of a hawk she actually is, but I think she's probably controlled
05:23:56.380
She does not seem like a bright person who could handle herself rhetorically or otherwise.
05:24:01.260
And my friend was saying, you know, yeah, my kid is 18.
05:24:07.780
You know, I mean, they're years away, and these kids are 18 right here.
05:24:11.280
It's like, there are real consequences to who's, we kind of laugh about it, right?
05:24:18.160
It's like, no, she is asking us to give her George Washington's job.
05:24:22.500
She's asking us to make her commander-in-chief.
05:24:27.160
Trump is almost 5 million ahead in the popular vote.
05:24:37.960
But, I mean, at this rate, she's going to win the popular vote.
05:24:46.340
There is just no way the Republicans are not going to win the House with these kinds of margins.
05:25:14.000
But the border is more of an executive problem.
05:25:22.940
And she was not going to renew them for anybody making more than $400,000 a year because she
05:25:30.300
That's one big change is they'll now be basically all renewed.
05:25:33.760
So it was extremely painful to me as a really committed pro-lifer.
05:25:36.600
But you also have to probably conclude that his defensive politics on abortion worked.
05:25:48.620
No, because it's just you can't get anything done unless you win elections.
05:25:56.220
Abortion, it takes a long time to get people there.
05:26:03.460
And I don't like the way Trump talks about it sometimes.
05:26:05.580
But he's right on this when he says it's not a national issue.
05:26:10.620
Where is the thought piece in National Review that makes the point that I've been making
05:26:15.080
on the show, which is it's not a national issue.
05:26:18.600
Congress doesn't have the power to legislate this naturally.
05:26:24.620
I don't understand why they argued it the way they did.
05:26:26.280
They should have just said, not only can we not regulate it nationally with a ban,
05:26:34.760
And she want to get rid of the filibuster to let it happen.
05:26:45.300
My team wanted me to see a text from Mark Cuban.
05:26:55.580
I mean, I'd like to take that in a nice spirit, but I don't.
05:27:01.380
What I see there is a businessman who's trying to cozy up to the next commander in chief,
05:27:06.720
Sometimes even when you're insincere and say the right things, that's better than the alternative.
05:27:11.040
Oh, Rich, you're just a better person than I am.
05:27:16.220
Mark Cuban said one of the weirdest things of the whole campaign, where he said if he actually
05:27:20.220
believed in Harris's tax plan, if he thought that she was going to actually do it, he wouldn't
05:27:30.540
And what an amazing thing to say for someone you're stomping for.
05:27:33.860
Well, it's News Nation, which has been a little ahead of the curve on some of these
05:27:41.000
Donald Trump projected to win presidential race.
05:27:44.800
So, so every, I'm actually kind of emotional about it.
05:27:49.460
It's, it's an incredible personal vindication, right?
05:27:51.360
Because there are not many people who do it or ever will do it.
05:27:53.880
But especially with Trump doing it his own way.
05:27:59.100
He listened to his campaign advisors more than usual, but still, this is his own show.
05:28:03.780
And so many people, for not unreasonable reasons, thought it's not going to work.
05:28:11.120
And instead, he's, he's wiped the floor with the opposition, brought in a strong Senate
05:28:18.700
So, you know, I mentioned earlier, he doesn't like hearing the word should.
05:28:21.640
And he's not really not going to want to hear that word now, right?
05:28:24.860
Because he's going to think he was right about everything and he did his own way.
05:28:29.460
And it was the detractors who are wrong and discredited.
05:28:33.000
I, I mean, I think he, he pulled off a miracle.
05:28:37.320
If you think of how down he was after January 6th, how moved he was universally, almost,
05:28:43.900
you know, very, only a core, core group stood by him, defended him.
05:28:48.180
And that same guy who stood up and said fight while he was bleeding from his head was that
05:29:02.340
Scott Pressler tweeting out, Mr. President, I'm pleased to share that we have delivered
05:29:08.540
Well, it's like, I'm kind of emotional about it.
05:29:11.720
Think of all the people who have been out there canvassing for Trump nonstop, like the
05:29:16.500
true loyalists who left it all on the field, you know, gave up his whole life, moved there,
05:29:21.680
you know, knocked on how many, got the Amish out.
05:29:31.780
The buggies with the, I mean, they did the impossible.
05:29:36.480
And I just want to say a word similar to what I said last night at the Trump rally.
05:29:41.720
To the people who are feeling upset, to the people who are feeling upset about a Trump
05:29:49.260
You've been misled by this media that hates him.
05:29:56.620
And I will tell you from my own experience from 2016 to now, if you are open minded to
05:30:01.880
Trump, if you will open your mind, you will see his good qualities.
05:30:06.720
There's a lot of controversial stuff about Trump.
05:30:10.120
But I do believe he's earnest in wanting to do good for the country.
05:30:13.500
And I actually think his, quote, narcissism, which every president is a narcissist, can
05:30:18.840
really work well for the United States of America.
05:30:21.260
Once we are tied to that same ego, we are going to do well, as we did under the first
05:30:31.100
He will absolutely reinstitute those executive orders.
05:30:34.900
And he didn't have congressional support last time.
05:30:37.280
This time, he might actually be able to pass a law and write it into law to secure our
05:30:46.300
So we might not have to do it by executive order that can be undone like that, where we
05:30:51.660
have a policy where they have to remain in Mexico while they seek asylum here so that
05:30:55.080
if we deny it, which we should in 98 percent of the cases, they're Mexico's problems, not
05:31:06.020
If you are in Mexico asking for asylum, why are you coming here?
05:31:16.040
But that's what legal pathways to immigration are for, not not asylum.
05:31:22.620
He absolutely will resume the start of the border wall and finish the wall.
05:31:33.240
I do believe he has a way of stopping the continuing influx.
05:31:37.540
Now, the deportation is going to be a lot harder, but I believe, Trump, that he's going
05:31:41.140
to try to go after the murderers and the gang members and get them out.
05:31:44.460
And he's been more humane on the topic of people who are living here, who are married
05:31:54.700
We've talked about the culture stuff, a little of the economy.
05:31:58.880
And it was totally insane for just in sheer political terms for Biden to open up the border,
05:32:05.140
right, and let this ongoing crisis roiled the entire country, including blue cities,
05:32:09.260
knowing, or at least he should have known, his likely opponent was this extremely pungent,
05:32:16.320
populous politician whose signature issue was the border.
05:32:20.820
And not until the last several months did they realize it was a mistake and they needed to
05:32:30.540
It was really about blessing a lot of these new legal pathways they've created rather than
05:32:37.320
And she didn't get any separation from Biden on this either.
05:32:40.180
It would have been the easiest thing in the world to say, I love Joe.
05:32:50.680
I think she's more of an open borders person than he is.
05:32:57.760
I think it's one, they didn't want to flip-flop on too many things, given how much they, on
05:33:01.980
recent new stuff, given how they're flip-flopping on the stuff from 19 and 20.
05:33:06.160
And, you know, she was always worried about the left, the way Biden was.
05:33:09.520
So I think she was worried if she actually said, we got to stop this, it's wrong, she'd lose
05:33:18.400
Immigration is the perfect example of the moral imperative issue that I mentioned earlier,
05:33:23.340
where it should be something we negotiate, where you decide how many immigrants do you
05:33:31.960
How long do they have to wait before they can become a citizen?
05:33:36.240
And then we shouldn't really have any tolerance for illegal immigration at all.
05:33:38.980
But it has become this strange, absolute thing where everyone must come in, and if you don't
05:33:51.020
And you can't, once you've said that, you can't compromise on it.
05:33:53.840
And she knows that if she stands up and says, I'm going to do something about this, the closest
05:33:59.560
she got was she said, oh, I support the House bill, right?
05:34:02.460
Because she was pretending that would enforce the border, it wouldn't have.
05:34:04.620
But if she had taken on the left and done the sister soldier thing and said, actually,
05:34:08.840
let's just enforce this, then she'd be denounced in every newspaper.
05:34:15.840
Truly, this issue has gotten so out of control for the left, because this is the legacy of
05:34:25.420
It's the same thing with Israel versus Palestine.
05:34:27.660
It's brown people good, white people bad, and we have to atone for our sins, because we
05:34:34.820
are still relitigating the Civil War and this history of slavery in America.
05:34:40.880
We now must atone, and everybody who wants to come in, as far as the left is concerned,
05:34:47.960
Right, because we stole the country from Native Americans, so who do we...
05:34:57.440
Yes, and walls are erected in many countries throughout the world.
05:35:02.960
I just want to tell the audience we are awaiting President Donald Trump to take the stage down
05:35:12.920
He's been at Mar-a-Lago all day, and you think about what must be happening in Mar-a-Lago
05:35:30.340
This woman here who they're showing us on the phone.
05:35:39.460
Just all of the people who helped him, I mean, really helped him because, look, the richest
05:35:47.180
man in the world on any given day, he gets behind you.
05:35:55.160
I mean, I saw Elon the day of that All-In Summit I referenced earlier, and I had asked
05:35:59.140
him if he would sit with me for an interview, but he couldn't.
05:36:01.800
And we get to the All-In Summit, and I realize why he couldn't, because he was launching rockets
05:36:06.840
into the air that afternoon, and I thought he double-booked himself on the day of a rocket
05:36:17.220
That's Elon Musk, one of the most exciting, vibrant men of our time.
05:36:21.300
I mean, truly, he's the modern-day Thomas Edison.
05:36:24.400
And he got behind Donald Trump bigly and started promising us all sorts of things,
05:36:30.620
that he's going to work to find these efficiencies in government, that he believes X will be
05:36:38.100
And by the way, we must spend some time on the disgusting, dishonest, discredited media.
05:36:47.180
It's a huge loss for Kamala Harris, and it's a huge loss for all of you.
05:36:52.800
The only saving grace for the media is they have Donald Trump to kick around for another
05:37:03.840
They will participate in the next attempt to kill him, meaning via impeachment, meaning
05:37:13.620
Does WAPO bleed more subscribers now because they didn't endorse Kamala?
05:37:19.840
Or do they come back because democracy dies in darkness and they must, they must fight?
05:38:09.460
Let me give you some of the reaction coming in, okay?
05:38:18.800
Fascism has come to America, and as predicted, it is wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
05:38:32.080
Here's David from, these past few months, my plan for 2025 was to retire from political
05:38:43.000
That's the first piece of bad news we've gotten in the wake of the Trump victory.
05:38:47.140
Here's from the Babylon Bee with a picture of Kamala Harris.
05:38:55.380
Ben Shapiro, the greatest political story in history.
05:39:04.020
I'm thinking of my friend, Justin Wells, who's been working on that Art of the Surge documentary.
05:39:11.240
If you are Trump's documentarian right now, they started, I think, in June.
05:39:18.160
In June, before the meltdown at the debate, before the assassination.
05:39:23.380
They were with him in Butler on the assassination attempt.
05:39:26.240
I saw him at the Trump rally last night, and he was saying, you know, if he loses, we're
05:39:34.740
You can find it, by the way, at Art of the Surge.
05:39:42.940
Donald Trump's second term is now Nancy Pelosi's legacy.
05:39:49.080
She's been so cocky about him not getting a second term.
05:39:56.420
You know, she may have gotten rid of Joe Biden, but that was the extent of what she could do.
05:40:04.180
Trump, yeah, he's going to address the crowd at the convention center once the election
05:40:13.860
So you need Alaska to close so you can call Alaska?
05:40:21.580
I do kind of want to hear from Henry again, if you guys can find him.
05:40:24.800
I mean, I know it's secure, but I'd like to hear it from one of our experts, and I'd like
05:40:41.720
I mean, can we talk about the realignment here?
05:40:43.160
Because I do think, I'm trying to think about it.
05:40:50.560
Trump won when it was more traditional media running the game in 2016.
05:41:04.880
He won, notwithstanding the absence of alternative media back in 2016.
05:41:14.020
But I do wonder what, I'm not trying to be self-aggrandizing because I'm in this lane.
05:41:20.500
But I genuinely wonder, like, how important was this alternative place to get news in
05:41:32.840
And think about, like, the fact checks in the wake of the debates all over X, speaking
05:41:42.160
In 2016, although the press was crazy as usual, a lot of what it did was just put a camera
05:41:50.400
It would leave it on the empty podium for hours until he showed up.
05:41:53.700
And so his message was broadcast to lots of people.
05:41:57.720
And they didn't do that this time because they think that's what led him to win the
05:42:02.440
It's a bit like the Hillary email story where they just stopped covering anything that was
05:42:06.860
bad for Harris because they think they put Trump in.
05:42:10.200
So probably this time around, Twitter, I'm not calling it X, and other outlets were probably
05:42:21.340
But I don't think I helped his victory, Megan, because, as you know, I don't like him.
05:42:29.600
But I do think this time around, it probably was very important because the press just decided
05:42:35.720
I mean, he was expelled from Twitter under the old leadership while he was president.
05:42:42.700
So you've got two different sort of environments.
05:42:46.640
Last time, they actually didn't because they liked the ratings, and then they regretted it
05:42:55.000
And he's just bigger, you know, being kicked off Twitter.
05:42:59.560
He got less attention for a while because of that.
05:43:03.220
But then he starts his own social media company, right?
05:43:12.840
There are people who opposed him in 16 other candidates who said, well, it was Breitbart and
05:43:26.720
And he's bigger than any outlet and can create his own gravity.
05:43:30.940
Now, that doesn't mean that all the alternative media is not important because it's really
05:43:34.480
important to check and counter the mainstream legacy media and the narrative.
05:43:39.600
So they still get narratives going, but it's harder now.
05:43:41.660
I think my own feeling on it is the more moderate voters, you know, the ones who could have been
05:43:53.080
I feel like they do listen to the editors and I feel like they listen to this show and
05:43:58.240
I feel like they listen to a lot of the shows that are in our lane.
05:44:00.900
And I think with those groups, it makes a difference because the established right
05:44:07.360
There's no world in which they'd vote for Kamala Harris.
05:44:09.280
But the people who are just adjacent could be persuaded by he's a fascist, he's terrible,
05:44:17.040
he hates women, he hates blacks, he hates Hispanic, whatever.
05:44:27.480
And I think it's important for those people to hear, people they know and respect and read
05:44:34.080
all the time like you guys say, that isn't true, that you're being lied to.
05:44:43.960
And it's very annoying because sometimes he does things that need to be called out and
05:44:48.420
then they pile five or six layers on top of it.
05:44:51.220
And so to get there, you have to say, we didn't do this, but he did do that.
05:44:58.100
We were talking about this on the most recent editors.
05:45:01.880
They gave up the pretense of wanting to seem truthful.
05:45:06.000
It's even worse than that because what they do is they look to find things that he said
05:45:10.300
that if they take it out of context can be twisted.
05:45:16.220
Joe Scarborough is still saying that this morning.
05:45:19.020
He had this big rant to Charlie's point about how misinformation...
05:45:21.060
Can't wait to watch that show tomorrow morning.
05:45:26.740
But his whole rant was about misinformation, how terrible it is.
05:45:30.260
And he had this long count of indictments against Donald Trump.
05:45:34.420
And one of them was that he wants to execute Liz Cheney, which is a lie.
05:45:39.020
A lie that anyone who pays a slice of it attention knows.
05:45:44.820
I don't know whether it's just the propaganda feels better or they think it's more powerful.
05:45:49.560
You know what his biggest lie of this election cycle was.
05:46:07.900
They're projecting now officially Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president.
05:46:44.420
Do you remember how it was considered aggressive to wear the red hat?
05:46:49.220
Now, people can wear it, you know, proudly and...
05:46:52.000
Like, it used to be considered kind of a middle finger.
05:46:55.000
Yeah, they still go after you, though, Megan, because in the World Series, I'm a big Yankees
05:46:59.420
During the World Series, in Game 1, I think there was a girl sitting behind a home plate
05:47:04.080
in California wearing the hat, and the press, not the announcers who didn't mention it, but
05:47:11.020
the press on Twitter just would not stop going on about this.
05:47:15.860
It was just every journalist was tweeting about it.
05:47:25.300
Donald Trump elected 47th President of the United States.
05:47:33.260
I just think Trump is an extraordinarily strong person.
05:47:36.600
All of the bad things are required qualities for the good things.
05:47:44.800
You just don't get the guy who can stand up to Xi and say, I'll tariff you.
05:47:52.420
Or he'll bomb Soleimani, or he'll make the threat to the Taliban leader, or who will shove
05:47:56.720
the leader of Montenegro out of the way so that the United States president can be
05:48:00.860
You don't get all those things, which I love, without all of the douchey things.
05:48:16.940
You've got to see these young guys, our focus group here.
05:48:30.860
They haven't mentioned the Senate races in those states.
05:48:42.480
They just seem to be counting a lot more slowly.
05:48:46.340
Earlier in the night there, the Senate camps were running a little bit behind Trump, so
05:49:01.260
And we'll do another one when Charlie gets this fact on.
05:49:09.840
They don't have alcohol for their parents listening at home.
05:49:15.040
I can't wait to hear what he says when he gets there.
05:49:22.200
I want to hear Henry, too, but I meant Donald Trump.
05:49:36.740
Well, he did it because he put together the coalition that he needed to put together.
05:49:48.340
One of the things that if you were going to listen to the Washington Insiders, it was,
05:49:57.620
So instead, he went after black men, Latino men.
05:50:00.800
If you look at where Donald Trump traveled in the last six weeks, he barely went to a suburb.
05:50:06.340
He went to communities Republicans rarely go to because that's where his voters were.
05:50:17.600
He talked to his voters, not the voters that the insiders like to get.
05:50:22.540
And it turns out that's the majority of the country.
05:50:33.660
And Joe Rogan is extremely powerful, especially with young men who love his show.
05:50:49.340
Sean Ryan, our friend Sean Ryan, who we showed the clip from earlier.
05:50:54.280
Trump went on like the tour to try to get to young men where they are.
05:50:59.300
Did you guys in the in this studio, did you listen to any of those podcasts?
05:51:04.400
All of the guys say they listen to all of them.
05:51:10.180
So what when you look at the coalition that came together, is it is it because he got Hispanics
05:51:16.220
because he got a greater percentage of the black vote?
05:51:19.700
I don't even know if he did get a greater percentage of the black vote than he got last
05:51:22.860
time around, but he certainly got a decent percentage.
05:51:31.260
And this is the thing is it's not just the exit poll that clearly shows he did better
05:51:36.600
You take a look at where the Hispanics live and you look at Mexican.
05:51:40.180
Hispanics in Nevada and Arizona, massive swings.
05:51:51.860
The Latino vote is still majority Democratic, but it is much more Republican than it was.
05:51:59.280
And go back to 2016 when supposedly Donald Trump was going to be the person who was going
05:52:03.840
to lose the Hispanic vote to Republicans forever.
05:52:06.140
Instead, by running the playbook that cares about the working class, not the faux concern
05:52:12.320
that the Republican establishment wanted to have.
05:52:15.900
He did better than any Republican has, including George W. Bush.
05:52:24.740
Donald Trump will carry the Rio Grande Valley, which even George W. Bush could not win in
05:52:38.120
What happened to the young women who really, really, really want abortion rights through
05:52:43.080
Well, what it turns out is that a lot of those women will vote for abortion and then vote
05:52:51.820
There's always been a sizable contingent of pro-choice Republicans.
05:52:56.000
And the abortion issue is not the killer that Democrats thought it was in 2022.
05:53:13.980
Look, they wanted to believe that Dobbs is what gave them the midterm.
05:53:21.900
And they wanted to believe that Dobbs is what was going to turn people here.
05:53:26.380
Look, it might have on the margin helped a little bit.
05:53:29.780
It looks like the female vote would be one percent higher than it was before.
05:53:36.720
They needed to get people who weren't prioritizing abortion.
05:53:40.580
It's much more important for them to keep a 24 point lead with Hispanics than to get an
05:53:49.340
They traded the bigger share of the pie for the smaller share of the pie.
05:53:53.800
And Donald Trump was the happy and willing recipient of that gift.
05:53:57.320
You know, it's funny, because even before I went down to Pittsburgh or last night to speak,
05:54:04.920
they definitely were like, you know, they weren't censoring remarks, but they were like
05:54:10.760
Like if you're if you're looking for a focus for your remarks, would appreciate if that's
05:54:16.080
And they were getting smarter on message discipline.
05:54:22.560
And I was like, oh, you know, I have they cut all your ethnic jokes, too.
05:54:26.200
Yeah, you cut up my I had a great one on Puerto Rico.
05:54:34.000
And in any event, they started to get more disciplined and started to understand that
05:54:38.340
this to your point, Henry, even though they've got defenses on this, that they it wasn't
05:54:48.200
We know message discipline does not come from Trump.
05:54:50.320
That's his team telling him, sir, as he would say, sir, sir, stop hitting the abortion thing.
05:54:56.840
And to Rich's point earlier, though, to Trump himself did moderate on abortion and understood
05:55:01.080
very early on, we should not be the pro-life far right party on this.
05:55:06.200
This is only only bad things can come from that at this point.
05:55:11.100
Look, I was talking to pro-life people before Dobbs and saying you have to be prepared for
05:55:16.000
the fact that is 60 percent or so of Americans want abortion in the first trimester.
05:55:22.040
And what happened was the pro-life movement wasn't prepared.
05:55:24.380
And by the time Donald Trump came around, it had grown to about 66 percent.
05:55:28.840
And Donald Trump recognized I can't win an election by fighting an issue where one third
05:55:38.020
And what it turns out is that Democrats could not pin him on that issue because he didn't
05:55:45.820
And that made him palatable to people who are pro-life but cared more about other issues.
05:56:00.680
And they voted for Donald Trump because abortion wasn't the issue, except for the Democratic
05:56:05.720
base, which, oh, by the way, Kamala Harris already had.
05:56:10.000
What do you make of the young people who are voting today, Henry?
05:56:14.460
Because it does not look like a runaway group for Kamala Harris, which is, you know, the young
05:56:21.540
But like my focus group here in my studio, these boys are saying, no, no.
05:56:36.380
I haven't looked at the exit polls on that issue.
05:56:39.860
But look, the thing to remember about the young generation, it is the most non-white
05:56:47.320
When people in the Washington world or the New York media world tend to think about whites,
05:56:51.840
they tend to think about, oh, yeah, the college-educated white, just like my kids.
05:56:55.640
No, the typical 18 to 24-year-old is a Latino graduate of a high school.
05:57:03.240
That's why they didn't carry the young vote, because Donald Trump talked to them.
05:57:08.600
And the podcast may have been vehicles to get to them.
05:57:16.600
And Donald Trump had a message that appealed to the real 18 to 24-year-old voter, which
05:57:22.280
is the Latino worker, the black worker, the Asian worker, the white person who's never
05:57:28.280
going to go to college or is going to drop out after three months because they find out
05:57:31.840
it's not for them, just like my parents did 60 years ago.
05:57:40.440
Donald Trump and his team understood that, which is something that the media-driven Democratic
05:57:47.280
Party and the woke, progressive-driven Democratic Party not only could not but would not understand.
05:57:54.420
So, Henry, do I understand you to have been saying a little earlier on the suburban vote,
05:58:02.360
had Democrats basically tapped out on suburban women?
05:58:05.540
So that's why there just weren't more votes to get there?
05:58:13.660
See, the dirty little secret of the campaigns in the last few years is that the reason Donald
05:58:18.840
Trump beat Hillary Clinton was not the woman vote that we've been hearing about for eight
05:58:32.340
The reason the Democrats did well in the next few cycles is independent men joined the women.
05:58:37.720
I will guess, without having looked, that the independent men went back to Trump in this
05:58:43.300
We got to pull over that ad, the absurd ad, you guys.
05:58:46.140
Do we have it where the wife lies to the husband about who she voted for?
05:58:54.140
A few things spell out their ineptitude at trying to reach out to new voters, female
05:59:00.500
I mean, I don't know the woman or the man who found that appealing, but their final message
05:59:08.860
We were starting to get the pieces, like that Tim Alberta piece in The Atlantic, about how
05:59:17.480
These things are always full of palace intrigue, right?
05:59:19.900
Like, oh, this one's pissed that they're not more powerful.
05:59:22.420
They're trying to like there's there's a coup amongst the administrative staff or who's
05:59:27.360
But I mean, there's no question we're now going to get the pieces on how inside her
05:59:36.580
I was just going to say something I haven't seen anyone comment on is that they tried to
05:59:41.360
The message was, if you are a woman, know that the voting booth is private and your
05:59:48.500
But they ran a second message and they really pushed this yesterday and today, which was
05:59:52.900
if you're a man voting, you've got to go and vote as if your wife's looking over your
05:59:59.620
Well, there was a cartoon with the guy who was voting and his daughter says, who are you
06:00:06.140
And then there was the message that they were pushing out this morning that was go and vote
06:00:10.560
for your mother or your grandmother and your children, your daughter.
06:00:16.280
You can't say on the one hand, it's a private vote.
06:00:20.580
And we're watching you do the right thing by women, right?
06:00:35.320
In the one place in America where women still have a right to choose.
06:00:53.340
Remember, what happens in the booth stays in the booth.
06:01:07.500
And of course, they depict the Republican guy as some gross, forgive me, actor who played
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Who's not only unattractive, again, forgive me, actor, but who's controlling and threatening.
06:01:46.900
Looks, excuse my language, kind of like a pedophile, right?
06:01:53.220
The other thing that is so offensive about that ad is we have known for decades that women
06:02:01.340
Women decide where the kids go to school, what kind of car you buy, where you live, major
06:02:08.440
So the idea that we're now somehow retrograde in our voting choices for what would be the
06:02:17.980
And it just speaks to how schizophrenic, undisciplined, and desperate this campaign began, or became,
06:02:27.220
My wife has said the same thing to me twice now.
06:02:29.600
She said it in 2016, and she said it with this election.
06:02:32.580
She said, I would love to have a female president, just not that one.
06:02:36.400
And it's just so bizarre to me that that gets interpreted as internalized misogyny or whatever
06:02:45.880
You kind of wish, just for the sake of putting the misogyny thing to bed, that they'd come
06:02:52.700
We got Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, both of whom had the same flaws.
06:03:00.240
He ran against two of the least popular figures in the Democrat Party that he could.
06:03:04.160
And I have to say, we talked a little bit about Barack Obama earlier.
06:03:19.860
I'm back in my hotel room and they don't have alcohol here.
06:03:23.300
Could you just call down and have them bring up a gummy or something?
06:03:26.700
We are awaiting President Trump, both the 45th and soon to be the 47th president of the
06:03:43.420
I can't wait to hear his framing of it and to see his face and to hear his voice and to
06:03:48.820
check his mood and whether he's feeling the jubilation that his supporters are.
06:04:00.940
So Henry, what did cause the lack of a red wave in the midterms?
06:04:06.320
You said Dobbs was sort of at the edge, but wasn't the main part of it.
06:04:10.380
I think I've assumed it was more of more of it than you implied.
06:04:17.820
I didn't see a whole lot of proof that abortion really moved voters, that Dobbs really moved
06:04:24.180
I think what it was, was they weren't willing to take the jump that Biden convinced them
06:04:35.560
And what you had was a series of candidates that were running for high profile officers
06:04:45.500
And so between the bizarre candidates or the not ready for prime time candidates and a bunch
06:04:52.320
of people who have historically been Democrats who thought, I'm not ready to take the jump
06:04:59.380
You know, in 2022, the biggest thing was the 10% of people who somewhat disapproved of
06:05:06.660
Biden, that historically in midterms, those always voted for the out party by at least
06:05:12.600
In 2022, they voted for the Democrats by four points.
06:05:16.840
You switch those votes and we were talking about a red, we'd have the red wave that we
06:05:25.100
And I think what it was, was people right at the end who were traditionally Democrats or
06:05:28.440
not leaning Republicans said, I'm going to give them another chance.
06:05:33.980
And the Latino wave that many thought would happen in 2022 happened tonight.
06:05:38.620
The black small, but real movement that we thought was going to happen in 2022 happened
06:05:44.540
And the fact is they could talk to their old constituency, the suburban women who might
06:05:50.580
have liked Romney, but aren't really with the movement in a conservative populist way.
06:05:59.780
And so the people who actually gave them the victory in 2022, they drove away by actually
06:06:06.520
They continue to talk about the things that never, that they never cared about.
06:06:10.840
And I suspect we'll find that the trans issue really mattered, that on the margin, these
06:06:15.140
people may not be religious in the sense that they're going to church, but they're culturally
06:06:20.440
And the idea of transitioning kids is gross to them.
06:06:39.980
The state of the election is Trump's and well beyond.
06:06:50.800
But can I just say I'm so grateful to those to those hard hat wearing guys who showed up
06:07:00.560
It's the it's the working class of America, the forgotten men of America who brought this
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Screw you, JLo and Beyonce and all you bitches who will never have to live with the consequences
06:07:15.820
The these guys who showed up and stood there for hours to see Trump in their hard hats with
06:07:22.700
their bellies and their tats and their muscles and their beards.
06:07:30.480
You know, whether these guys here in the studio, they go to a lovely private school and they're
06:07:34.400
going to go on to some of the best colleges in the nation.
06:07:37.260
And these guys have a solidarity with those guys, you know, a commonality, a common mission,
06:07:43.940
a common understanding of what matters in America and what would get you to stand in a
06:07:58.340
He's this weird combo of like kind of elite, born with a silver spoon, but also working
06:08:04.040
like connection with a working man because he grew up in New York City construction.
06:08:12.500
You know, like that's part of Trump's crassness, really.
06:08:25.920
I don't do a lot of drinking on the air and it's really late.
06:08:29.960
Anyway, we're still waiting on official Senate calls.
06:08:36.740
I mean, yes, the Senate has been projected for Republicans, but not the House.
06:08:46.040
It's going to be a very tumultuous couple of years.
06:08:54.260
Yeah, the House is going to take longer to call, mainly because of California.
06:08:57.940
You know, there's five targeted seats out there and it's going to take a long time,
06:09:03.500
I think that the Republicans will hold the House.
06:09:06.880
Donald Trump is on the verge of winning the popular vote.
06:09:10.280
I think that what you're going to see is the Republicans hold the House and probably
06:09:16.540
If Donald Trump wins the popular vote or Harris wins by a point or so, that the Republicans
06:09:23.300
gain a couple of seats, you know, three to seven seats on the 221 that they came into
06:09:29.920
It's just going to take a couple of weeks for us to get there.
06:09:32.040
Like, practically, physically, why does it take three, four weeks to count votes in California
06:09:44.840
People say it as if it's a fact of the universe, but I've never understood why.
06:09:55.160
You know, Arizona can count votes in four days.
06:10:02.200
Why California takes three weeks pretty uniformly up and down the state is simply mind boggling.
06:10:08.180
But there's no reason to do it other than that from the top down.
06:10:12.420
They encourage lassitude, sloth, and incompetence.
06:10:17.280
All right, wait, can I just say one other thing?
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I just want to say, I forgot to finish my point.
06:10:24.200
But I want to say, this is to continue my remarks to the people who feel sad about Trump getting
06:10:34.000
The trans insanity is going to get under control under Donald Trump.
06:10:37.540
I can't say end because there are still institutions that have been captured.
06:10:41.560
But it is going to get under control under Donald Trump.
06:10:47.060
Title IX was what led me, Biden's changes to it, for the first time in my entire journalism
06:10:54.160
career to say who I was going to vote for for president.
06:10:56.860
That was the day I crossed that imaginary line.
06:10:59.640
And the next imaginary line was crossed when I decided to speak at a Trump rally, which my
06:11:03.700
friend Rich Lowry said, you should do it, which I really appreciated.
06:11:07.980
It was like, well, this is a new line, you know, and he said, you should do it.
06:11:10.560
And I did it, and I'm not sorry, and I'm actually really happy now.
06:11:13.780
But anyway, Title IX was rewritten by Biden, Harris, and it not only allowed boys into
06:11:21.260
girls' sports, I mean, up and down the line, it's K through 12, K through college, not
06:11:26.140
K through 12, up and down the line, allowing boys into girls' sports, but mandating that
06:11:30.860
they be allowed, mandating that they be allowed in girls' spaces, bathrooms, and locker rooms.
06:11:34.680
They've been slowly eroding girls' rights and parents' rights to object to it by saying
06:11:42.540
You have to, you must use preferred pronouns, or you violated human rights laws.
06:11:46.280
Biden and Harris has been doing all of this, trying to erode our, those laws won't stand
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That is totally contrary to the First Amendment.
06:11:55.940
And by the way, for you boys sitting here, you're going to go off to college.
06:12:06.160
When you go off to college next year, I'm sorry to take the room down.
06:12:09.400
But under the Biden-Harris administration, Title IX has been changed so that if you hook
06:12:13.740
up with a girl and God forbid something happens where she decides she wants to accuse you of
06:12:18.560
some improper behavior, you have no due process rights thanks to Biden-Harris.
06:12:23.280
You are completely effed if a girl just makes an accusation, which is going to lead you to
06:12:27.780
be like scared, dare I say squirrels, on campus, you're going to be terrified.
06:12:34.520
Yeah, it's one of the ironies, right, that the supposed fascist, it was his administration
06:12:45.500
But breaking news on my Ring app, where neighbors can say weird stuff that's going on.
06:12:51.080
Someone just put a message on there 10 minutes ago.
06:12:55.680
It sounds like fireworks somewhere in the neighborhood.
06:12:58.700
So this is someone who's obviously not politically plugged in that didn't realize, someone realized,
06:13:03.180
you know, folks realized that Trump just won and probably like these guys right here are
06:13:07.580
That's what they'll do when they'll leave the studio here.
06:13:31.160
And we went outside and we banged pots and pansies.
06:13:35.100
My first political memory, by the way, is Nixon resigning.
06:13:38.220
I remember a neighbor coming and either telling me I should go inside and watch the resignation
06:13:49.360
No, it wasn't a small thing when I started it, but it's a small thing now, having drunk
06:13:54.760
No, the 250th anniversary of the United States is in two years.
06:14:01.440
And one of the questions was, who would be president?
06:14:08.460
Yeah, I remember, I mean, as a little girl, I was five and my parents bring me outside and
06:14:12.460
we were banging the pots and pans and it was like, I didn't totally appreciate it.
06:14:15.260
But now I get, and my brother remembers, he's five years older than I am, my nana sitting
06:14:20.760
in front of the TV for Nixon resignation and for the moon landing.
06:14:29.780
That's when you can really have collective events in the way you don't so much now.
06:14:34.560
What was the last big one where we all watched?
06:14:50.840
Did you, did your parents make you watch the moon landing?
06:15:01.600
You know, uh, you know, I, I, I named my teddy bear after Frank Borman, the head, uh, astronaut
06:15:17.800
All right, Henry, let me ask you a question as we await, await President Trump.
06:15:33.220
I mean, uh, Rich and, um, Charlie know who I am, know what I do.
06:15:38.480
Uh, you know, Rich was very kind enough to print my, uh, my predictions from 2010 through
06:15:49.320
I'm looking at precinct data and polling data and, um, I follow it.
06:15:57.400
That, I feel like that describes so much of like, even my own journalism career.
06:16:02.160
Like when they sent me down to cover the UVA there, the Duke lacrosse case.
06:16:06.380
So where the story takes you just keep an open mind.
06:16:09.460
If you, if you keep an open mind and that's what, when I read that Ann Seltzer poll, I
06:16:13.880
I don't mean to disparage her, but I thought my, my gut tells me this is a woman with an
06:16:17.720
agenda who cannot envision Donald Trump winning again.
06:16:20.880
And the abortion thing is very important to a lot of women.
06:16:23.280
And she magically saw a bunch of older woman, women who are going to come out of the woodwork
06:16:27.440
to say, no, I mean, older women, like all the, even the intimations had been, it'll
06:16:32.620
be younger women who speak on this, but she's a little older.
06:16:38.800
People inadvertently or advertently let their biases get in their way.
06:16:50.480
It's, it's, it's the, it's something that you just have to control for.
06:16:55.720
And it is so easy, you know, like in the Romney campaign, uh, I don't know, you know, whether
06:17:00.320
you were getting spun by the insiders, but a lot of people were, and they said, Romney's
06:17:07.300
And they, okay, well, you and I were, you know, I, Rich published my prediction in the
06:17:13.520
pages of national review that said Romney's not going to win.
06:17:18.400
Um, and I only missed one state, the closest state, Florida, because the data were there,
06:17:23.060
but the Romney people let their biases affect their interpretation.
06:17:32.380
The Seltzer poll, as, as Henry, I think was mentioning, um, uh, a while ago, maybe a bad
06:17:38.880
So maybe she's not guilty, but the way the media picked up on it and ran with it and wanted
06:17:44.360
to make this a reality was the real disgrace there.
06:17:47.880
And if you look at the choices that were made in media coverage in the last three days,
06:18:03.740
And if it had been the other way around, if the incumbent had been a Republican, that
06:18:12.320
And the fake, we haven't talked about the mystery apostrophe either.
06:18:15.160
And the mystery apostrophe people really should have been on the Dem side and apostrophe for,
06:18:24.520
The one person in the Biden-Harris operation that has integrity is the White House stenographer,
06:18:40.960
If you're not listening, if you're not watching his show, go to youtube.com slash Megan Kelly
06:18:53.160
Um, Eric Trump tweeted it and it just reads 47.
06:18:57.440
It's Donald Trump reading something in front of, see, Charlie knows culture.
06:19:14.940
Oh, you're saying it could be a Hopper painting.
06:19:21.780
Trump lit up in front of a mirror reading something, maybe results.
06:19:45.540
Which would you rather have a signed copy of that one or the one of him in the McDonald's?
06:20:10.140
I did every job there, but they eventually put me on the window because I was gregarious.
06:20:34.420
Yeah, I got really annoyed when I was 50 and I didn't go for two years.
06:20:38.800
And then I decided I wanted to do something else.
06:20:42.980
In between high school and college, you took two years off to work at McDonald's?
06:21:08.880
And I went back to school for a year and did well.
06:21:14.240
You see, boys, if it doesn't work out for you on your college applications, then you're good.
06:21:19.600
So can I tell you, so our sons go to the same school.
06:21:24.080
I never say we go to school because I don't want weird freaks to come find my children.
06:21:28.940
But the day that that Fields in Ethical Culture put out that memo saying you can have the day off if you're upset over whomever may win.
06:21:43.400
Our head of school put out the greatest memo, which was basically, I'll summarize.
06:21:49.800
You won't share your politics with the children.
06:21:57.460
Isn't it so great to be at a school that doesn't push its politics on you?
06:22:02.380
I just like we fled these New York City schools because we were getting exactly the opposite.
06:22:06.640
It's just wonderful to be at a place that does not do that crap.
06:22:11.320
The next day, we're going to have stories of teachers breaking down, Hitler won.
06:22:22.500
Well, don't you think Antifa and George Soros are making a lot of calls right now?
06:22:27.880
I mean, Washington, D.C. has been boarded up for a reason, right?
06:22:30.540
There are big protests in 16 after he won the election.
06:22:36.080
So I'd expect the same this time, wouldn't you?
06:22:54.620
I said Steve about opening that, so I was like, I don't drink.
06:23:08.600
So Abigail doesn't drink, but can I tell you, it's a brave move for her to be out here with
06:23:25.560
But I have done like a 500th of what you have done with your life, and it's very depressing.
06:23:31.780
She's upset with your brilliant commentary because you're the same age.
06:23:39.080
Because you're like so smart, and I'm like, well, it's average at best.
06:23:51.500
But Abigail Finney could get a marching band to your house for 4th of July.
06:24:13.160
Are you feeling any sort of happiness, even though you don't like Trump?
06:24:19.280
So I said at the beginning, one of them's going to lose.
06:24:22.440
And I think we're headed for 53, maybe 55 Senate seats, and that's enormous.
06:24:32.960
Also, Florida, as I said, Amendment 4 went down, Amendment 3 went down.
06:24:41.340
I'm going to let Henry go, but first I've got to ask you this, Henry.
06:24:44.120
What is the message to the pollsters of America?
06:24:55.000
The ones that didn't, I would say, re-examine your assumptions.
06:25:01.500
This is the first presidential election since the Great Depression.
06:25:05.760
Where the Republican Party has the plurality support.
06:25:15.960
Former President Donald Trump, President-elect Donald Trump, with his beautiful wife, Melania,
06:25:23.400
his giant son, Barron, and all of the Trump children who have been with him every step
06:25:44.860
From the leagues of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee, across the plains of Texas,
06:26:07.120
on the sea to shining sea, from Detroit down to Houston.
06:26:12.860
The song by Lee Greenwood, which he uses at every rally, used at the RNC.
06:26:30.860
So loyal to his dad, running the Trump Organization, which has also been targeted.
06:26:38.860
Kai Trump, Trump's granddaughter, who spoke at the RNC.
06:28:46.920
We overcame obstacles that nobody thought possible
06:28:50.400
And it is now clear that we've achieved the most incredible political thing
06:28:58.560
But it's a political victory that our country has never seen before
06:29:10.040
I want to thank the American people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your 47th president and your 45th president
06:29:16.040
And every citizen I will fight for you for your family and your future every single day I will be fighting for you and with every breath in my body I will not rest until we have delivered the strong safe and prosperous America that our children deserve and that
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You deserve this will truly be the golden age of America that's what we have to have
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This is a magnificent victory for the American people that will allow us to make America great again
06:30:05.020
And in addition to having won the battleground states of North Carolina I love these
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We are now winning in Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Alaska
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Which would result in us carrying at least 315 electoral votes
06:30:34.980
But it's much easier doing what the networks did or whoever called it
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Winning the popular vote was very nice, very nice, I will tell you.
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We have a great feeling of love in this very large room
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They've made the journey with me, and we're going to make you very happy.
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We're going to make you very proud of your vote.
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I hope that you're going to be looking back someday
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and say that was one of the truly important moments of my life
06:31:48.100
when I voted for this group of people beyond the president,
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America has given us an unprecedented and powerful mandate.
06:32:10.560
And the Senate races in Montana, Nevada, Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin,
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And in those cases, every one of them, we worked with the senators.
06:32:43.480
And I mean, the number of victories in the Senate
06:32:56.140
And it was amazing to look at all of those victories.
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So I just wanted to thank you very much for that.
06:33:04.680
You have some great senators and some great new senators.
06:33:08.300
And it also looks like we'll be keeping control
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I want to also thank my beautiful wife, Melania, First Lady.
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Who has the number one best-selling book in the country.
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Everybody here thinks their children are amazing.
06:34:13.880
But that's a good thing when you think they are.
06:34:37.060
And we miss very much Melania's mother, Amalia.
06:34:44.020
She would be very happy right now, standing on this stage.
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Vice President-elect of the United States, J.B. Brown.
06:35:18.400
And his absolutely remarkable and beautiful wife,
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I thank you for the trust that you placed in me.
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in the history of the United States of America.
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We're going to make it the best it's ever been.
06:39:01.380
and he's going to be a hell of a great 47th president.
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we've never made a paint that could withstand that kind of heat.
06:40:55.740
And now it looks like I was going to be maybe president again.
06:41:04.760
especially because you're going to be president again,
06:41:08.520
So I took the phone down and I'm looking at the screen.
06:41:10.580
I'm seeing this crazy thing that's going around and coming down.
06:41:21.640
I thought it was a space age movie or something.
06:41:26.940
I didn't pick it up for 45 minutes and he was holding.
06:41:30.680
But this spaceship came down and I saw those engines firing and it looked like it was over.
06:41:37.480
And then I saw the fire pour out from the left side and I put it straight and it came down so gently
06:41:44.820
and then it wrapped those arms around it and it held it.
06:41:48.980
And just like you hold your baby at night, your little baby.
06:42:15.060
when we had the tragic hurricane Helene and it hit,
06:42:35.000
And the people from North Carolina came to me and they said,
06:44:40.080
Nobody wanted to give him a ring because they said it's a rough sport, a little rough.
06:44:44.900
And I helped him out a little bit and I went and I said, this is the roughest sport I've ever seen.
06:44:56.900
And, you know, he's a very motivational kind of a guy, what he does.
06:45:01.140
He gets these fighters and they really go at it.
06:45:04.200
And it's become one of the most successful sports enterprises anywhere, at any time.
06:45:10.340
I'd like to ask Dana just to say a couple of words because people love to hear from him.
06:45:23.220
Nobody deserves this more than him and nobody deserves this more than his family does.
06:45:28.440
This is what happens when the machine comes after you.
06:45:31.860
What you've seen over the last several years, this is what it looks like.
06:45:39.100
He's the most resilient, hardworking man I've ever met in my life.
06:45:52.900
I want to thank the Nell boys, Aiden Ross, Theo Vaughn.
06:45:58.760
And last but not least, the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan.
06:46:16.440
No, he's an amazing, he's really an amazing guy.
06:46:19.400
But most of all, I want to thank the millions of hardworking Americans across the nation who have always been the heart and soul of this really great movement.
06:46:31.100
And today you showed up in record numbers to deliver a victory like really, I probably like no other.
06:46:37.900
This was something, this was something special.
06:46:55.560
This will forever be remembered as the day the American people regained control of their country.
06:47:02.160
So I just want to say that on behalf of this great group of people, these are hardworking people.
06:47:15.720
And we can add a few names like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
06:47:22.300
And he's going to help make America healthy again.
06:47:53.580
We have more liquid gold than any country in the world, more than Saudi Arabia.
06:48:23.520
This campaign has been so historic in so many ways.
06:48:28.780
We've built the biggest, the broadest, the most unified coalition.
06:48:34.680
They've never seen anything like it in all of American history.
06:48:42.520
And we had them all helping us tonight, when you think.
06:48:47.720
They had some great analysis of the people that voted for us.
06:48:53.240
They came from all quarters, union, non-union, African-American,
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Hispanic-American, Asian-American, Arab-American, Muslim-American.
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It was a historic realignment, uniting citizens of all backgrounds around a common core of common sense.
06:49:34.100
Four years, we had no wars, except we defeated ISIS.
06:49:47.580
But this is also a massive victory for democracy and for freedom.
06:49:52.840
Together, we're going to unlock America's glorious destiny.
06:49:56.100
We're going to achieve the most incredible future for our people.
06:50:01.220
Yesterday, as I stood at my last stop on the campaign trail, I'll never be doing a rally again.
06:50:08.440
I think we've done 900 rallies approximately from the, can you imagine?
06:50:26.760
But now we're going on to something that's far more important.
06:50:30.100
Because the rallies were used for us to put, be put in this position where we can really help our country.
06:50:38.440
We're going to make our country better than it ever has been.
06:50:42.320
And I said that many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason.
06:50:49.800
And that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness.
06:51:01.000
And now we are going to fulfill that mission together.
06:51:09.240
But I will bring every ounce of energy, spirit, and fight that I have in my soul to the job that you've entrusted to me.
06:51:27.700
Just as I did in my first term, we had a great first term, a great, great first term.
06:51:34.080
I will govern by a simple motto, promises made, promises kept.
06:51:42.420
Nothing will stop me from keeping my word to you, the people.
06:51:45.980
We will make America safe, strong, prosperous, powerful, and free again.
06:51:51.320
And I'm asking every citizen all across our land to join me in this noble and righteous endeavor.
06:51:58.580
It's time to put the divisions of the past four years behind us.
06:52:05.120
And we're going to try, we're going to try, we have to try, and it's going to happen.
06:52:17.000
When we became more and more successful, people started coming together.
06:52:22.020
Success is going to bring us together, and we are going to start by all putting America first.
06:52:30.040
We have to put our country first for at least a period of time.
06:52:34.120
Because together we can truly make America great again for all Americans.
06:52:39.540
So I want to just tell you what a great honor this is.
06:52:46.080
America's future will be bigger, better, bolder, richer, safer, and stronger than it has ever been before.
06:53:19.360
First president since Grover Cleveland to do it, saying, look what happened.
06:53:31.740
Thank you to the American people for the extraordinary honor.
06:53:36.360
We will control the House of Representatives, he added.
06:53:40.520
He believes that the Republicans will win the House.
06:53:43.460
That's the data I'm receiving from my sources, too.
06:53:46.520
It hasn't been called yet, but that Republicans in the know do expect that they will retain control of the House.
06:53:53.920
And really, one of the most poignant moments with Trump saying, God spared my life for a reason, to save our country and restore our country to greatness.
06:54:03.240
I can't help but think of my friend, my one friend who said this to me.
06:54:07.740
I had dinner with her, and she said, I think God spared him for a reason.
06:54:11.660
I think he's going to win because I think it's the reason he was spared.
06:54:15.820
And by the way, she's the same person who, I know you're not a fan of RFKJ, but I'm telling you, you've got to go do the deep dive on RFKJ that my team did.
06:54:33.180
But we took a deep dive into his positions on vaccines, not the COVID vaccine in particular, but like MMR.
06:54:44.660
But she was saying, I just read Fauci's book, or his book about Fauci, and I was like, oh, you know, garbage in, garbage out.
06:54:54.080
He raised some interesting points, and I read it.
06:55:01.460
I don't know if I agree with all of it, but it's interesting.
06:55:03.860
So we put him on the air without, before we put him on the air, we put hours and hours of research.
06:55:08.300
And when he came on the air, we managed to do an interview four hours that lived on all platforms, and he'd been banned everywhere.
06:55:13.740
And he thanked me and said, you're the reason I came back.
06:55:20.060
And then he started getting more and more invitations.
06:55:22.780
And basically, I'm responsible for all of this.
06:55:35.420
But just keep an open mind on RFKJ, because I know he's got some weird stuff.
06:55:44.340
Like, why wouldn't we want somebody to crack down on the FDA?
06:55:47.560
This is back to you, my friends, who are sad about Trump's win.
06:55:50.300
Why wouldn't we want somebody to crack down on the FDA?
06:55:56.340
Well, Dope Sick is all about how they intentionally got us hooked on opioids here in the United States.
06:56:01.460
And the FDA couldn't have given a shit about any of us.
06:56:04.400
It was like people who are working the FDA who gave it a rubber stamp and wouldn't tell us it was addictive.
06:56:12.080
And that's exactly the kind of stuff he spent his life fighting against.
06:56:17.140
And now Trump is saying, I don't want to stick him on the oil and gas industry, but I do want to stick him on Big Pharma and FDA.
06:56:23.140
I'm telling you, RFKJ can be unleashed in ways that we'll like and then pulled back in ways that we'll find necessary.
06:56:31.840
Elon, God only knows, it's going to be great to watch what he does.
06:56:34.280
Or let's get into just like, we've got about like 10, 15 minutes left in us.
06:56:45.080
Are you going to go to school tomorrow on time?
06:56:54.000
Let's get to some of the fun reaction of the left.
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Ellie Mistel, either the most racist or second most racist person on television.
06:57:09.560
I think we can all agree really probably the most racist is altogether Joy Reid.
06:57:15.900
But he tweeted out, Dems are never nominating a woman again.
06:57:21.060
Now, do we think that's tongue in cheek or do we think, what is that?
06:57:28.980
Well, stop it with the Sotomayor should retire tomorrow.
06:57:37.640
Trump is going to replace Alito and Thomas with 40-year-olds.
06:57:45.380
Well, six to three forever versus seven to two forever doesn't make much difference.
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And if the court defies him, he will ignore it anyway.
06:57:59.000
Dems are nominating, never nominating a woman again.
06:58:21.240
But no, this is going to be, this is the great epic blame game that's going to happen
06:58:27.860
And we're going to keep hearing, and especially tomorrow morning, I cannot wait for the morning
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Joes, for The View, about what a sexist, racist country we are.
06:58:40.080
And we're going to get everything we have coming to us.
06:58:43.180
So F everybody who voted for Trump, women included.
06:58:51.100
I was saying there, though, that the country is sexist and Democrats will draw the right
06:58:54.720
conclusion from that, that they can never nominate a woman again.
06:59:00.200
This making her the president is what would have set women back.
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And if you don't believe the me of today, now that Trump has won, let's go back and look
06:59:22.920
And what would Dave was this, Debbie Murphy, the day he got ousted or the day of the debate?
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I hate the fact that there's been no female presidents.
06:59:44.460
I hate the fact that you take out your little placemat when your kids are learning the presidents.
06:59:51.160
Um, I would love to see a female president like a Margaret Thatcher type, somebody who's
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I am telling you, America is not going to elect this Nimrod as its first female president.
07:00:13.540
They're just they're not that dumb and they're not that open to a female president to where
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Anyway, I'm thrilled that she's not going to be the first.
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It'll probably happen within the next 12 years.
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That is what it appears happened in that state, is that if you can't flip enough white women,
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and we've talked about this on this set numerous times, is that you have a state where you've
07:01:13.080
But it's a state where women lost their reproductive rights, where there was a very heavy push to
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get women to focus on not putting in place, you know, re-electing, putting back into the
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White House the person who was responsible for taking those rights away and restoring
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But that message obviously was not enough to get enough white women to vote for Vice
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This would be the second opportunity that white women in this country have to change the
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Well, look, I mean, the serious point to make is that she is incapable of describing to her
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viewers the country in which she lives, and therefore reacting to it, right?
07:02:06.780
What I mean is that she is supposed to be on television to talk about America and what's
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Yeah, and it's just the identity politics prism through everything, right?
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And this language about the patriarchy, this is how they think.
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This is that they will not quit it until Charlie was saying earlier.
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They lose several times over, and they're just convinced they're desperate and realize there's
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no way they can ever get over the top thinking this way, but they teach themselves this language
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and this way of thinking, you know, from high school, college on, right?
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So if you tell them something wrong with it, it wouldn't even compute, I think, for them.
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Hey, Joy, I have a message for you from all white women.
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Enjoy your safety and security for the next four years.
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Of course she's going to go to the white women who didn't do their part to get their...
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You know, they didn't elect Hillary Clinton, and now they didn't elect Kamala Harris.
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I'd love to know where she's getting the data, that it's white women, overwhelmingly, not
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black women, because as we know, Trump is speaking to the black voter, the Hispanic voter.
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But I also love how dutifully Rachel Maddow and Nicole Wallace, the white women on the panel,
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Rachel Maddow, the white woman who's the star of that network, sit there and swallow that bullshit.
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Who's that former Republican consultant, Matthew Dowd, always says white men need to go away
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And I think he was running for Congress for a while.
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Because the reason I think they believe it is it is essentially a conspiracy theory.
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The identity politics, when it reaches a certain point, becomes a conspiracy theory, right?
07:04:14.340
So it becomes, well, you should vote this way because you're a woman.
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And then the woman says, I have my own thoughts and I don't want to.
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And you say, ah, I see you've internalized male thoughts.
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Once you get to a certain point in which you're telling, say, a black man, you don't know
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how to vote for your own self-interest because you've internalized racial oppression, you
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Because if he says, actually, no, I haven't internalized racial oppression, I'm a human
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being too and I have my own thoughts, then you say, but that's exactly what someone would
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And in political terms, if that guy is actually on the fence and that's the way you're talking
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to him and you're trying to shame him, you're not going to convince him.
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No, you're going to turn him and his 10 friends over on the other side.
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I mean, I've long since moved past trying to convince anybody as far left as Joy Reid.
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Right now, I just want you to defeat them and laugh at them.
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That level of silliness is about 3% of the population at most.
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The problem is they've had a lot of power to push it on us.
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So if you are, you know, if you're us, it doesn't.
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Well, it doesn't matter if you're you and it doesn't matter if you're me and it doesn't
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But if you are a mid-level employee at Unilever and you have to sit through your HR mandated,
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You and I, like, we all actually sort of benefit from that because we look at it and
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And then we write columns about it and we love it.
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But if you don't have any power and you're just some guy and you're just some company and
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But I don't think many people actually think like that.
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Because you think back to my hard hat wearing Pittsburgh guys.
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Those poor guys are out there every day, you know, doing the actual hard labor.
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And then they got to get dragged into HR or whatever.
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I mean, this is one of the we should talk about this because this is my third point
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And it was about what's being done to our boys and our men.
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You know, the it's it's a new form of reparations.
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It's like the unspoken form of reparations that you won't get jobs.
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We have so many friends with with college age boys who cannot find jobs.
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I joked that I was like, I'm going to hang a sign outside of the Megyn Kelly studios.
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By the way, it's illegal to discriminate against whites or men on the basis of of sex and race.
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And it's because it's by design that they're they've decided to heap all of the blame of
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Blacks and Hispanics can get blamed, too, before we get down to women.
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They they reach out for help for Jordan Peterson and then they get mocked by Hollywood.
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Trump is the reason why young men here are cheering like they don't want to feel like
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They're perfectly happy to keep demonizing them.
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They feel like it's a form of, like I said, reparations like they deserve it.
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Like somehow this is why I said to the people at the Trump rally, to my fellow women, how
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can you win when your sons and your husbands are losing?
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Yeah, I was at a Manhattan dinner party a year or two ago and the thrown by a couple.
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And the woman is a fairly high, high powered lawyer.
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And she says, I think she maybe she teaches a little bit, too.
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And she says these these white students, white law school grads, guys will come to her and
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And she was saying at this dinner, this is a good thing.
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Finally, you know, the screw is turned and this is what they deserve.
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But what do they what a 25 year old guy do to anyone?
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And you should judge people on the basis of their individuality and their their merits.
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And so it's so pernicious because it judges people as a class, which is deeply un-American
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And this is Trump didn't make a major emphasis of this in the campaign, but it is in his
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He is going to actually enforce the civil rights laws across the board and try to try to address
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Just a just a word on the civil on the Title IX and boys.
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So as a result of what just happened, Trump's going to reverse the changes that were put
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I'm talking to the young men who are in this studio right now, 17 and 18 year olds.
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Obama created a world in which you have no due process.
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God forbid you were to get accused on a college campus, which you won't because you're you're
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going to stay away from girls who would fall safe.
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He didn't tip the balance in favor of women or men.
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And then Biden Harris got in there and they completely changed it.
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So we've seen cases like I've covered this a lot.
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You'd have no right to cross examine, no right to cross it, no right to have a lawyer in the
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The person trying your case is going to be the same person prosecuting your case.
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You will have no right to see all the evidence against you or all the evidence exonerating
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And we covered a case in which a young man, he was there.
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But he was there on a scholarship, an athletic scholarship.
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Forgive me, because I might be conflating two cases, but I don't think I am.
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A young man had sex with a woman, consensually, they were boyfriend, girlfriend.
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She mentioned that they were not using protection.
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And then in the middle of the act, she said, would you put on protection?
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And the roommate said that 10 seconds was rape.
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And she wasn't convinced, but the roommate went to the administrators and told the story.
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Another situation where a young man got accused of rape and he said it was consensual.
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We did have action, but it was totally consensual.
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And when forced to go through the kangaroo court set up by Barack Obama, he was not entitled
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They filed an appeal where they got heard in federal court.
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In federal court, he was entitled to discovery.
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And he got all of her text messages saying, I called him over.
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No one can know because it's my roommate's boyfriend.
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You know, it was like all these complimentary things.
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If she was 100% the initiator and this poor guy didn't even, he'd already been expelled.
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Trump has got, he will get rid of all of that so that it's just even playing field.
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You get a right to the evidence, both good and bad.
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In your case, you get a right to a fair and neutral arbiter of fact.
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And that rule that Betsy DeVos spent two years writing, implemented, and then Biden reversed it.
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So a good thing is some of the colleges and universities were pulling back on this because when they actually,
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these cases would get in the courts, the universities would lose.
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But often they couldn't really do much for the kid.
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Like Amherst did not reverse its expulsion of that kid.
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Yeah, there's, we did a piece on, on some guy who was similar circumstances to the ones you've described and got, got expelled.
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And then, then won a huge settlement against the, the school.
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And actually for this interview, drove up in the Lamborghini to, to meet our reporter.
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Well, in any event, that's, that's going to get undone.
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It's yet another reason you should feel good about Trump being reelected.
07:12:38.560
Let's just show the Jake Tapper clip because there's some disbelief as to what's happening in the Electoral College.
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We don't know the final number, but right now it's at 277 to 226.
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So you asked, are there any places that the vice president is over-performing Joe Biden in 2020?
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So let this go away and see if there's anything on the east side there.
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No, I was literally listening to something in my ear.
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He was literally saying, like, nothing's happening?
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But wait, wouldn't that suggest that she would outperform him in the answer?
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She didn't convince people that she wasn't part of the deal.
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They're judging her after what he had done that he was not supposed to do.
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Because when she got asked about how would you be different, first she said the inane answer she gave the view.
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See, the thing that, Biden would have been worse just because he was in such a debilitated state.
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They would have, if you stayed in, insisted on staying in, they would have eventually crawled back.
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But the three weeks of everyone blasting him and saying he wasn't up for this was devastating to him.
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But he had the Scranton Joe thing, which was always kind of BS and annoying.
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But it got him some credibility among these voters in the blue wall states.
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And that's why, even though I don't think it made any sense, they had him campaign a little bit for her because they thought he had some residual appeal to those people.
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She had no cultural connection to those type of voters whatsoever.
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I mean, I blame the Democratic Party that has been installing candidates since Hillary Clinton.
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And I just, I blame a party that refuses to allow its constituents to vote for their nominees.
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If they had done the mini primary that was floated by reportedly Obama and maybe James Carville, where they were like, where Obama and Clinton would come up with four candidates and they'd have like a mini primary.
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I just think they were in a position at that point where she was basically their choice.
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Suppose they'd chosen someone better, which is possible that I'm wrong and they choose someone better.
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At that point, you've opened up the wounds in the party, you've invited debate in the Democratic Party, and they are at war with one another on a whole bunch of things, not least of which, and at that point it was particularly potent given the campus shenanigans, was Israel.
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I think it was Biden who bears ultimate responsibility.
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He was a terrible president, and then he made one of the worst decisions a president has ever made.
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He didn't follow through on it ultimately because he couldn't, but to run again when he was clearly debilitated.
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And it was only going to get worse, and he and Jill were too selfish to acknowledge reality, and then the Democrats are too cowardly and a little wrong-footed by the results in 2022 where they thought Biden had some life to them and they could get through.
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So they went along with it, and then that set and trained this disaster for them.
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He picked an idiot to be vice president for identity politics reasons.
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Yeah, I mean, Tim Cain, the point I made in a column was, so Tim Cain, not Tim Cain, sorry, the vice president, Tim Walsh, sorry.
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Vice president, because someone who Barack Obama, who was the talented one, chose someone else who chose someone else.
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Like, to your point about not having, they don't have a lot of talent.
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So then Obama is the nominee because he's talented, and he chooses Joe Biden.
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And then because he chooses Joe Biden, Joe Biden chooses Kamala Harris.
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And then Kamala Harris, because she chooses Tim Walsh.
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Like, you are scraping the barrel at this point.
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There was no election that intervened, any of those.
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But going to selecting candidates, they wanted to select Hillary in 08.
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And Obama runs as the outsider and upsets the establishment candidate.
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And what you find out through that process is who's really talented.
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Just a simple Google search would have told you he was a radical leftist on cultural issues in particular, but on a lot.
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And she said, that was one interesting thing about Stephanie Rule's interview with her on MSNBC.
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She was asked, what was the last decision you made on your gut?
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And she was like, my vice president, my running mate.
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And of course, we were all like, oh, wrong answer.
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They liked the word weird, which didn't stick because the guy who coined it is very weird.
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So it soon became impossible for him to deploy it any further.
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I mean, look, there's a bunch of Republicans sitting here.
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You know, like there are certain things you're required to do.
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You are required to be able to take the lid off the ketchup bottle and you are required
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I'm like, I didn't write the rule book, but I've seen it.
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And it seems like a classic, you know, they say in management, you know, the an A talented
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That's kind of what you're saying with Obama and Biden.
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So she is a C and she didn't want to hire Shapiro, who might be a B or an A even, you know, a little
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It turns out this race did not depend on Pennsylvania.
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But if it had, it would have been even more idiotic.
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And just in theory, I kind of agree with Charlie would have been hard to get there.
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But in paper, I would have run like Whitmer Shapiro, do the total blue wall thing, realize
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you just hold those three states and you hold it and try and try to do that.
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But but they they instead through through circumstances and Biden's bad judgment were stuck
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She was a puppet, but it was not her fault that she was a puppet.
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By the way, Henry, our friend Henry is still awake and he is making projections.
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He says Philadelphia is now in and Dave McCormick is ahead.
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And it's especially because Bob Casey is awful.
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Well, if you go back to 2006 when Bob Casey first won and you look at what he ran on
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and you look at what he is now, it's actually embarrassing.
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Well, he ran as a pro-life, pro-second amendment fiscal moderate.
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And he's never met a tax increase he didn't vote.
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But he was running ads trying to tie himself to Trump.
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I think Dave McCormick ran a really good campaign.
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But Casey, he was also trading on his father's name.
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He came on the show and did not have any weird interviews.
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And I had to read a number of them to understand what he was saying.
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I don't think he's telling me the truth about how he got shot in his arm.
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Long story short, for people who are just tuning in, he's the senator-elect from the
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state of Montana, state I own property in and love.
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And he was coming out for a friendly interview.
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You know, it's like, this is not adversarial to him in any way.
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And the biggest thing that was being used against him was that he may have lied about
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So I asked him, like, this is what they're using against you.
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They're saying that you were in a park, Glacier Park, that you dropped your weapon, that it
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went off inadvertently and it shot you in the arm, and that there's a park ranger saying
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It looks like you spoke to the Washington Post and you said that you lied when you told the
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Like, did you shoot yourself in the arm inadvertently in Glacier Park?
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Yes, I fell and injured my arm when we were hiking.
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So that's why I went, because, you know, I could feel the bullet get dislodged when I
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Are there medical records where the ER can say we did not treat a gunshot wound?
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There's not an extensive medical record for any of this stuff.
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And unfortunately, that's the crux of this, is there's just not a whole lot to talk about.
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They've decided to take this one report from a park ranger that I gave him that report.
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I stood in the parking lot and said, hey, this is what happened, you know, in five minutes,
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And they decided to make that, you know, the focal point of all this.
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He, I actually wonder whether my audience is going to be upset by that interview because
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And they all wanted to win the control of the Senate.
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And they were all, everybody, everybody on that YouTube clip we posted was like, he's
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He's the senator-elect, and he's going to be part of the Republican majority.
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I don't know why he's lying about the fact that he shot himself in the arm in Glacier
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Park and saying instead that he got shot by an Afghani soldier in Afghanistan whom he
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was training and he didn't want to bring attention to the unit because it would have led to an
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investigation in which someone could have been embarrassed.
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But if that's true, why isn't there some witness to say, yeah, he got shot in Afghanistan?
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And why did he tell the park ranger he shot himself in the park?
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And why did he go to the hospital for a dislodged bullet internal bleeding because he fell on it?
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Maybe there's some personal embarrassment around it.
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You know, I mean, honestly, it doesn't seem like that big a deal to me, to be honest.
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But Dave McCormick came on, and we had a perfectly lovely interview.
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Because Trump's introduction there in the victory speech was most people,
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And he's wiped him up every single time, which has pretty much been true.
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I mean, he's been an incredibly effective performer.
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He had the baggage of the stuff he had said in the past about childless cat ladies and all that.
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But otherwise, I don't think there was really—
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He did play a role in the Springfield, Ohio, elevating the eating cats thing.
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It got the country talking about illegal immigration or immigration for 10 days.
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But he won almost every single one of these interviews.
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And would end up—he never got cornered and end up oftentimes cornering the interview.
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Only a couple apartment buildings have been taken over by migrant gangs.
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I said that day one because I have a little history with him.
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Not that big, but I did go and interview him back in 17 or 18, right after Hillbilly
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Such a young, promising, sweet, in-love couple.
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Just seemed like the all-American dream, and his story is all-American.
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And he was, as I said, he was like a little heavier.
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I love this current version too, but it's just, you know, you kind of have an affection
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And what I learned in interviewing J.D. on top of what I learned from his book is that
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He had, for sure, an abusive mom who was addicted to drugs, including heroin, who kept bringing
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I don't think she beat him, but she scared him a lot, like severely, and brought man after
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And, you know, you just think of this sweet little boy who talks about sleeping in his
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jeans, that they never knew pajamas, drinking Mountain Dew or Pepsi out of their soda, out
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You know, our babies had breast milk or formula.
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And how the only person he really had, two people, he had his mamaw, his mom's mom, and
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he had his older sister, Lindsay, five years older than he is.
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And I met her too, and she cried talking about him and really feels bad she didn't intervene
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He adores and worships his older sister, Lindsay, and his mamaw, who's become this famous
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figure with her 19 guns in the house when, I think when she died, loaded guns everywhere,
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like in the silverware drawer, all over their house.
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And that's exactly, I love that that's going to be our next vice president.
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But he also wound up working his way into Yale, you know, went to Ohio, the Ohio State University,
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and then GI Bill, and then got himself into Yale Law School.
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Finished in two years college, and got himself into Yale Law School.
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And so he's got a foot in both camps, kind of like Trump in the reverse.
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Trump's born with a silver spoon, but understands the working class because he worked with those
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And J.D. Vance is of the working class, but earned his way into one foot into the upper
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Writes in the book about how when he got first served white wine at like a Yale mixer, or maybe
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like an application mixer for Yale, he had no idea what to, he was like, he'd never had
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Anywho, so long-winded way of saying, totally rooting for that guy.
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And here's a little bit of that interview where we met and I did a long profile of him,
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which remains, if not my top, it might be my top, it's at least one of my top three
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I think someday if the time is right, and if he really feels that that's the best way
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that he can contribute to his home, then I think that would be a great idea.
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Why do you get uncomfortable when that idea comes up?
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I just, I think that, you know, when people ask me if I want to run for office, part of
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me wonders, like, do they think I just give off a used car salesman vibe?
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Don't you think it's more born of hope that you could be a, you could be a real change
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Yeah, no, I think that's the optimistic take on it.
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I'm very flattered when people ask me, and you never say never, but it's just not something
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I think that was 20, it was either 18 or 17, either late 17 or early 18.
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I think the operative phrase there says, I don't think about it right now.
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I think he's been thinking about it for a long time.
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But he wasn't thinking about being vice president.
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I mean, I have to say, like, you gotta give a shout out to Tucker and Don Jr., who were
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the ones who said, go with J.D., and that was when they were feeling very confident, because
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Biden was spiraling and hadn't yet, you know, been deposed.
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But it worked out, and now Trump's got his heir apparent, and so does the Republican Party
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Letter grade Rich Lowry to steal a trick from the editors.
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You might win the popular vote, taking off the table what would be an immediate argument
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they'd use to try to delegitimize or minimize the victory.
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And you could go higher, and you're going to win the House.
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So, I was bullish on Trump pretty much all year long.
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I thought he would win, because it's just the broader conditions.
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I got a little uncertain the last couple days, because we texted.
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This is an occasion for our text when I encourage you to go out to Pittsburgh.
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So, this is beyond what I would have imagined possible for the GOP tonight.
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I mean, for the Republican Party, you couldn't do much better.
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And I don't know if it's going to last, but Sam Brown in Nevada is winning at the moment.
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That would be, if they took all the states they'd won, that would be 56.
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By the way, if they had run better candidates in 2020 and 2022, right now,
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that would mean they'd be debating whether or not they're about to get 60.
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I'm just saying that there's two Georgia seats, Arizona, Carrie Lake.
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I have to say, with these results, even MBD is going to be feeling happy and optimistic.
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I love the idea that the popular vote is looking to match up with the electoral so that there's no daylight that the Dems can say there's an incongruence here.
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You know, that there has been a wholesale rejection of all of this stuff and this idea that democracy was on the ballot.
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Well, yeah, democracy was on the ballot and this was the result.
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This was a complete, sweeping, total victory by Donald Trump.
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He not only won in what looks like it may be a landslide.
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He appears to have retained control of the House.
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It is government in control of the Republican Party, at least for the next two years.
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Restore all the executive orders until we get real legislation passed with the House and the Senate that you control.
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And let's use Elon and Vivek to cut down the size of the federal government to unleash the Maha agenda that Kennedy and Shanahan have been talking about.
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At least restore us to the European standard where we can have the fries without 40 ingredients and just two or the Froot Loops, for that matter.
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There's no reason American children should be suffering more than kids over in Europe just because you want to put purple in our Froot Loops versus what you give kids abroad.
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Forget these green energy initiatives, these bullshit electric car things that nobody wants.
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And most importantly to yours truly, get the boys out of the girls' sports and stop with the trans insanity on our children.
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It is the women's and children's rights issue of our time.
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God bless you all for spending all this time with us.
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Very grateful to our audience and so grateful to you guys.
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So, you most of all, because how many big events have we done over the summer and the fall?
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A couple assassination attempts, a switcheroo of the president.
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Okay, we'll be right back here in a few hours, including these guys, as we do our normal program tomorrow.
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We're also going to be joined by our friends over at The Fifth Column.