The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Ends DEI, 1⧸6 Pardons Media Meltdown, and Bombshell New Blake Lively Video, with Nicole Shanahan and Sasha Stone

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00:00:30.900 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.500 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.880 President Trump has continued a relentless pace since taking office just 48 hours ago.

00:00:50.480 On day two, he ordered the closure of all federal DEI offices. Yes.

00:00:57.500 And according to a memo sent yesterday, all federal DEI employees will be placed on paid leave by 5 p.m. tonight.

00:01:04.500 Good luck making use of those absolutely useless, empty degrees.

00:01:10.060 Plus, the crackdown on the border crisis is already in motion. That too is equally uplifting.

00:01:16.900 Border czar Tom Homan said this morning they've already got 308 illegal migrant criminals in custody.

00:01:23.880 Sanity and common sense are returning to America.

00:01:26.840 And today we have two guests who have been tracking the shift in the culture in a way that's beyond politics.

00:01:32.960 Later, someone whose podcast and sub-stack I absolutely love.

00:01:36.600 I'm her fan. I might be her biggest fan.

00:01:39.780 Her name is Sasha Stone.

00:01:41.280 She was with us a couple years ago, and I listen to her podcast all the time.

00:01:46.480 And she's such a great cultural commentator.

00:01:49.260 She just has a wisdom about her in seeing the forest for the trees.

00:01:54.680 So we're going to talk to her about where she thinks we are.

00:01:56.740 She's also been a victim of the woke mob and been canceled herself as someone who she too campaigned for Joe Biden.

00:02:03.720 And I say too because I often reference my friend in New York who campaigned for Joe Biden back in 2020, but who now is probably more to the right than I am.

00:02:12.720 And Sasha's followed a similar trajectory.

00:02:15.980 And Hollywood, you'll be stunned to hear, turned on her.

00:02:19.440 In any event, we are going to start, though, today with someone who played a role in helping put Trump back in office, a former Democrat.

00:02:26.040 You've got two former Democrats on the show today, but now independents,

00:02:29.260 who started to tell the MAGA story through moving ads, the best ads of the entire campaign.

00:02:36.860 Nicole Shanahan was RFKJ's vice presidential candidate, his running mate, and she hosts the Back to the People podcast.

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00:03:45.500 Welcome back, Nicole.

00:03:47.060 Hi, Megan.

00:03:47.860 Good to see you.

00:03:48.520 Thanks for having me on.

00:03:50.040 Likewise.

00:03:50.420 Okay, so how are you feeling just in the wake of everything that's happened this week?

00:03:54.700 Well, very good.

00:03:55.660 I didn't make it out to D.C.

00:03:57.820 California is on fire, and I wanted to be close to home.

00:04:02.920 My entire community is here.

00:04:06.300 Lots of people impacted.

00:04:08.760 But I did watch with great enthusiasm.

00:04:12.740 Seeing President Trump get to the Oval Office with piles of executive orders in front of him,

00:04:19.280 I watched with great interest, read many of them, really happy the direction that these go.

00:04:26.520 I think his base and many others in the country are very happy to see a return to sanity.

00:04:35.400 And then, you know, the folks that are concerned that some of these actions might end up heavy-handed,

00:04:42.280 I think it's our responsibility to keep that conversation open.

00:04:46.120 We're one country.

00:04:47.580 We're one country for the people.

00:04:50.100 And we have a leader right now who understands how to get there.

00:04:54.180 And so I think that, you know, here in California, I like to think of myself as serving a bridge of information.

00:05:03.940 I don't try to add sensationalism in the conversation, but I do like to stick to the details

00:05:11.080 and help alleviate through some of the misinformation that the mainstream media is politicizing.

00:05:18.120 Mm-hmm.

00:05:19.740 Well, I want to tell the audience, here are—this is Charlie Kirk posted this morning.

00:05:25.260 It's a list of the executive orders we got yesterday, among other things.

00:05:30.680 He writes as follows.

00:05:32.020 On day two, the president restored merit-based hiring at the FAA.

00:05:36.500 Yes, that's important.

00:05:37.720 The people who governed the planes in the sky.

00:05:40.060 Ending an insane Obama-era push to put travelers' lives in the hands of incompetents hired for diversity reasons.

00:05:46.400 There should be no DEI hires anywhere, but certainly not at the FAA, in medical schools, in residency programs.

00:05:55.560 Anything involving human life, even the far left must see the insanity of it, whether they do or they don't.

00:06:02.960 It's stopping today at the FAA.

00:06:05.480 He ordered the closure of all federal DEI offices, as I said a moment ago.

00:06:09.380 He ordered the repeal of LBJ's infamous executive order, which mandated affirmative action instead of merit-based hiring and federal employment and federal contracting.

00:06:19.840 That's huge.

00:06:21.220 He prohibited the use of all racial discrimination, or DEI, at federal contractors and universities receiving taxpayer dollars.

00:06:28.300 Now, let's just pause there.

00:06:30.160 That is wonderful.

00:06:31.720 I don't know how he enforced that.

00:06:34.340 Prohibited the use of racial discrimination, or DEI, which is the same thing.

00:06:38.720 It is the same thing.

00:06:40.220 Racial discrimination against whites is illegal.

00:06:42.760 It's illegal against blacks, against Asians, all the groups.

00:06:47.700 It doesn't make it any better to do it against whites because the country has a history of doing it to blacks.

00:06:52.660 It's just not the way the law is written, the civil rights laws.

00:06:55.500 So he's saying you can't racially discriminate at universities that get taxpayer dollars, which is almost all of them.

00:07:03.200 You can't use DEI at these universities.

00:07:05.780 I mean, Nicole, you know as well as I do.

00:07:08.760 There's going to be a revolt.

00:07:10.300 You can't tell these universities that because they won't listen.

00:07:14.840 You know, the conversation is happening.

00:07:17.900 I was just on a phone call yesterday with a farmers association that went woke because it felt like it had to.

00:07:28.000 And as a result, this farmers association wasn't actually able to do the things for the farmers that the farmers were asking.

00:07:33.640 And so they went irrelevant.

00:07:35.460 And that's what these policies do is they make institutions that need to get stuff done irrelevant at best.

00:07:44.800 At worst, it makes them dangerous.

00:07:47.320 In the case of the fire department in L.A., these policies are dangerous policies.

00:07:56.100 They normalize this idea of failing upwards, something that my friends and I are noticing all the time.

00:08:03.520 It's these people are failing and they're getting promoted.

00:08:06.480 And these positions are not ceremonial.

00:08:09.800 They are being treated as if they are ceremonial.

00:08:12.800 These are not ceremonial roles.

00:08:15.220 These are roles requiring execution, performance, excellence, competition.

00:08:20.780 Competition is good.

00:08:22.220 It's good for the people.

00:08:24.520 It's good for the economy.

00:08:25.660 And it's necessary for the execution of duties.

00:08:30.560 Yeah.

00:08:31.340 Well, we've taken a massive step away from that, as you know.

00:08:34.580 And this is the public's rejection.

00:08:36.840 His election is the public's rejection of that nonsense.

00:08:40.400 So I don't know what's going to happen at these universities.

00:08:42.780 You know, telling them that they are not allowed to use DEI if they receive taxpayer dollars, I just I think they're just going to ignore it.

00:08:54.860 So the question is, how how does that get enforced?

00:08:57.820 You know, does Trump actually pull the federal dollars when we get complaints?

00:09:02.400 Yeah.

00:09:02.840 Well, I can tell you ways that they can redact applicant information to take out anything related to race.

00:09:12.460 I've worked on an AI that actually does that, that AI exists.

00:09:17.160 It's being actually used in some district attorney's offices across the country to redact out any information about race and languages spoken and background.

00:09:32.000 I mean, so it's it's possible to execute very seamlessly.

00:09:37.760 And I can argue it's actually a good use of AI.

00:09:41.080 There's many bad, misguided uses of AI.

00:09:44.080 But, you know, there's there's ways to enforce it.

00:09:48.640 I don't know that you necessarily want to enforce it.

00:09:50.720 It is in the best interest.

00:09:52.000 Interest like the market demands that we get beyond race based dictation of of policies.

00:10:03.100 And so I believe that it's it's it's it is truly in the best interest of these universities because they're going to shoot themselves in the foot with when these individuals go out into the world.

00:10:14.980 And they've basically been taught that they can fail up and they're going to be required to compete again in the market.

00:10:24.540 And and those individuals are not good donors to the universities down the road.

00:10:30.860 So it's it's really, really, I think, in everyone's best interest, just going back to basic economics, like we need competition.

00:10:39.360 We need real competition and policies that weaken our institutions.

00:10:45.400 There it's cannibalistic.

00:10:47.340 They're cannibalizing their own reputations.

00:10:50.080 It's also illegal.

00:10:51.860 I mean, it's it's blatantly illegal.

00:10:54.740 You may not hire based on race at all.

00:10:59.860 It cannot even be a factor.

00:11:02.520 That's really clear under the law.

00:11:05.220 We just pretended for a few years that those laws did not exist.

00:11:10.260 And like Trump's 100 percent right.

00:11:12.860 This is unconstitutional.

00:11:14.860 This is unlawful to hire based on race at all.

00:11:18.480 If they even consider a person being black, white, brown, Asian, whatever, doesn't matter.

00:11:24.020 It's unlawful.

00:11:24.800 So they're going to ignore that one at their peril.

00:11:27.680 What he's saying here is we're going to enforce the law and they're going to have battles,

00:11:33.580 Nicole, because we played this a while ago.

00:11:35.880 I don't know if you remember this case because you're out in California.

00:11:38.460 It happened at Stanford Law when Erwin Chemerinsky, who's the dean out there, had a bunch of students

00:11:45.300 who he had over to his home graciously to, you know, get together and talk about the law,

00:11:50.540 turned it into a pro-Palestinian protest against him for like no particular reason and really

00:11:56.100 got in his face and the face of his wife.

00:11:57.860 So he was in the news and he was alarmed and on his heels at the Cal Berkeley.

00:12:05.640 Sorry.

00:12:05.980 He was alarmed and on his heels about how crazy the DEI has gotten to the point where,

00:12:11.000 you know, these pro-Palestinian protesters couldn't see the awfulness of what had happened

00:12:14.700 to the Israelis.

00:12:15.320 Well, he's hashtag part of the problem because Erwin Chemerinsky is on camera saying he's

00:12:23.680 totally pro-racial preferences when it comes to populating the staff at UCAL Berkeley.

00:12:30.400 He knows he's not supposed to, but he just keeps it quiet.

00:12:34.540 Here, watch this.

00:12:35.300 Whenever I'm deposed, I'm going to deny I said this to you.

00:12:40.060 When we do faculty hiring, we're quite conscious that diversity is important to us.

00:12:46.680 And we say diversity is important.

00:12:48.120 It's fine to say that.

00:12:49.660 But I'm very careful when we have a faculty appointments committee meeting.

00:12:53.320 Anytime somebody says, you know, we should really prefer this candidate over this candidate

00:12:56.740 because this person would add diversity.

00:12:58.580 Don't say that.

00:12:59.920 You can think it.

00:13:01.580 You can vote it.

00:13:02.620 But our discussions are not privileged.

00:13:05.480 So don't ever articulate that that's what you're doing.

00:13:09.000 That's what we're up against.

00:13:10.900 Yeah.

00:13:11.860 Yeah.

00:13:12.320 It's misguided and it's misdirected.

00:13:16.940 It's oddly destructive, self-destructive.

00:13:21.480 And we're up against it.

00:13:24.260 But I think that these individuals also know that it's not producing the kind of academic

00:13:32.200 rigor that their predecessors trained them into.

00:13:37.640 And so, you know, and I understand that there's, again, you have to realize that there's outside

00:13:44.480 influences for this, just blatant Marxist influences.

00:13:49.620 And it's deeply, deeply misguided.

00:13:53.280 I oftentimes ask people, I'm like, well, what is it going to take to realize that, you know, our American system of merit and egalitarianism is at stake?

00:14:08.300 Is it going to take your house burning down, right?

00:14:11.620 Like, you know, because that's happening, right?

00:14:14.560 People's homes are literally burning down because of these policies.

00:14:18.260 Um, and, and I, and for many that has been the case, um, is it going to take your grandmother, um, getting robbed on the streets of San Francisco to wake up?

00:14:31.680 I'll tell you amongst the Asian community, that has been the case and they have woken up.

00:14:36.700 Um, if you, they have many of the, you know, California is home to a diversity of Asian Americans and, and they're sick and tired of this as well.

00:14:50.320 Um, you know, growing up in a community is the reason that affirmative action fell at, at universities.

00:14:56.060 They filed that lawsuit saying this cannot be, you cannot discriminate on the basis of race in admissions.

00:15:02.400 In 2024, it was, and the Supreme court finally agreed.

00:15:07.240 Sorry, keep going.

00:15:08.760 Yeah.

00:15:09.480 Look, it like the homes, I was raised, um, in a home with a Chinese mother and, you know, it is all about working hard.

00:15:19.160 It is all about going to work and, and doing a good job and, and earning your way and realizing it's not always fair.

00:15:28.380 And sometimes you'll be looked over for a promotion, but that doesn't mean that you, you know, try to burn the place down.

00:15:37.020 It means that you have to work harder and find, um, good mentors and, and, and learn how to work within a community of people all from different backgrounds.

00:15:47.120 Um, and, and, and, and to really deliver value, um, for your organization and, and for the people that you serve.

00:15:55.440 If, if you are in a client-based industry, it's showing up and making sure your clients are happy.

00:16:01.220 I mean, some of these DAEI policies I've seen, um, have encouraged people to turn on their own clients, to turn on their patients and say, well, it's their fault.

00:16:10.460 They don't know what they're talking about.

00:16:12.360 Um, and it creates the spoiled entitlement that, you know, the, the people that I, I grew up with, you know, the people who said work hard and you can overcome poverty.

00:16:24.840 None of us recognize this new world of, of, of race-based entitlement.

00:16:30.920 Um, it's very, very bizarre.

00:16:33.880 Mm-hmm.

00:16:34.740 And just so destructive.

00:16:37.040 Uh, so it's wonderful to see Trump doing this.

00:16:39.780 You mentioned the LA fires.

00:16:41.060 I know you're, you live a little North of that.

00:16:43.740 You're in Northern California, but the, the debate that's unfolded in the wake of this, and it's ongoing now that Palisades fire is, I think 63% contained.

00:16:53.400 And I just heard my pal Janice Dean saying on Fox news this morning, um, they expect rain this weekend.

00:17:00.260 So that's good in the area.

00:17:02.200 We're hoping and praying that's true, but you know, the whole thing has been a level of incompetence that we haven't seen in recent history.

00:17:09.460 I mean, it's just been absolutely devastating.

00:17:11.240 And the intense focus by the LAFD on DEI and promoting the fact that the fire chief is a lesbian, and so are her top two lieutenants, which no one cares about at all.

00:17:23.980 She just keeps introducing it into the national conversation has led to a lot of commentary, uh, mostly on the right, but to his credit, enter Bill Maher on, on the matter, on his show this past Friday.

00:17:37.100 And here's a little bit of that.

00:17:38.760 Look me in the eye and tell me anyone could have done worse.

00:17:42.080 We just got our ass kicked by fire.

00:17:44.420 The good news is our fire chief is a lesbian.

00:17:50.320 Am I against a lesbian being chief?

00:17:52.780 Of course not.

00:17:53.960 Do I think a lesbian can do the job?

00:17:55.660 Of course I do.

00:17:56.740 And maybe she's the best person for the job.

00:17:58.860 Or maybe they really wanted a lesbian in that job, and she's just the best lesbian for the job, and with essential services, that's not good enough.

00:18:08.340 Crowley's official bio says,

00:18:10.060 Well, you didn't exceed my expectations, which was that the whole city wouldn't burn down.

00:18:31.700 Fair.

00:18:32.460 I, again, I would love someone to do a great job in their role.

00:18:44.000 I, I, I wish that she was successful.

00:18:46.560 I wish that we didn't have to have this conversation.

00:18:48.940 I wish that DEI policies weren't such a massive failure for the public.

00:18:54.420 Um, I am a classic liberal who, you know, loves to see diversity in the state of California, but it has to be around egalitarian merit.

00:19:08.420 And that is not what's happened here.

00:19:10.500 Our controller who manages the finances of our state, she ran on DEI, and that was pretty much her biggest platform.

00:19:20.280 You cannot make that your biggest platform when you are running for these roles.

00:19:26.340 I'm sorry.

00:19:27.120 It isn't appropriate.

00:19:28.900 Um, it is not what makes you qualified for these roles.

00:19:32.500 What makes you qualified for these roles is your understanding of how to execute, um, very, very well.

00:19:40.560 And in the case of LA, um, and the fires, we needed that reservoir full.

00:19:47.460 We needed the departments well-funded.

00:19:50.700 We needed, um, the fleets, uh, of vehicles, uh, properly maintained, and that wasn't happening.

00:19:59.960 Um, and again, the, the problem with DEI, why DEI failed was because they treated it as ceremonial.

00:20:08.360 Um, it is very misguided.

00:20:10.600 And if you hear the talk in these communities, it's very much, you know, the whites had their time.

00:20:17.020 Now it's time for us.

00:20:18.800 And they treat it as it's, as if it's a ceremonial passing, um, from, of the guard, from, from one group of ethnicities to another group of ethnicities.

00:20:28.600 But that is wrong.

00:20:30.860 That is not how you govern.

00:20:32.780 I'm sorry.

00:20:34.000 And, um, and, and if that did lead to success, you know, it would be the first time in human history that merely basing competition on skin color.

00:20:44.400 You know, it's, it conflates these things that are completely, um, incompatible.

00:20:48.940 And so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not that it's wrong on its face, it's that it doesn't work, right?

00:20:56.280 It really, really doesn't work.

00:20:58.680 Um, and, you know, the idea of diversity is wonderful, but it can't be racist.

00:21:05.200 And so, you know, again, they're conflating two terms, diversity, um, and, and the function of racism.

00:21:11.220 And so it's, it's problematic.

00:21:14.140 We need to go back to common sense.

00:21:16.300 Um, common sense requires us to look at an individual for their work and their actions, um, and, and that alone, um, and not for their skin color.

00:21:26.680 It's so crazy.

00:21:27.840 I mean, I hear you say, I'm like, on behalf of all white people, our time is not over.

00:21:31.820 It's not just like, it's not over for Asians or Brown people or black people.

00:21:36.780 It is the American people's time.

00:21:38.880 That's it.

00:21:39.540 Irrespective of your color.

00:21:40.560 You've got a shot.

00:21:41.560 Work hard.

00:21:42.620 Try harder.

00:21:43.140 Look at JD Vance.

00:21:44.060 He has zero, zero family advantages other than love and a grandma who really believed in him.

00:21:49.860 He had a drug addled mother.

00:21:51.120 His father abandoned him.

00:21:52.560 He's now our sitting vice president.

00:21:54.560 It doesn't, it's, there's no, it's over.

00:21:58.240 That's Ibram X.

00:21:58.980 Kendi thinking that, you know, you're, you're saying some people believe in where the answer

00:22:03.380 to past discrimination against one group is current discrimination against another group.

00:22:06.740 That's morally wrong.

00:22:07.640 And it is illegal.

00:22:09.180 My white children have just as much of a shot and have absolutely no burden on them because

00:22:14.480 of ancestry, uh, that as a black child does down the road, you know, or in the inner city,

00:22:20.440 even somebody who with less financial advantage, which is actually a greater hill to climb.

00:22:24.700 It's just absurd.

00:22:25.800 And finally, Trump is saying, no, we're, we're not doing that.

00:22:28.740 We're not letting, you know, in particular white boys and white men be the current, you

00:22:36.420 know, pay yours for all of America's prior sins.

00:22:40.360 That's totally insane.

00:22:42.600 We're not doing it anymore.

00:22:44.380 Here's one more, uh, keeping going on that things he did yesterday, ordered federal buildings

00:22:49.280 worldwide to stop flying the pride flag, which the left had turned into a de facto second

00:22:54.640 national flag around the world.

00:22:55.720 That's exactly right.

00:22:56.540 Good.

00:22:56.820 I'm glad it's coming down, but I have zero tolerance for any flag other than the stars

00:23:01.480 and stripes, uh, on any federal building.

00:23:03.740 That's it.

00:23:04.300 It's not a time to promote anybody's agenda.

00:23:07.060 No one's not women's not LGBTQ, not blacks.

00:23:10.980 No, nobody.

00:23:11.780 That's it.

00:23:12.520 It's America.

00:23:13.280 That's what we used to be about.

00:23:14.980 Our shared purpose, our shared love of country.

00:23:17.540 Go look at Nicole's ads.

00:23:19.840 If you don't believe me.

00:23:20.980 And then here's one I wanted to ask you about.

00:23:23.240 He launched the Stargate project.

00:23:25.700 This is the big quote infrastructure announcement he made yesterday, a collaboration with Silicon

00:23:30.160 Valley, just so our audience knows you used to be married to the co-founder of Google,

00:23:34.720 um, aimed at cementing America as the global leader in emerging AI technology.

00:23:40.540 And you talked about how you've done some AI stuff.

00:23:42.460 Now, can you talk about this?

00:23:43.960 Because the AI thing, I don't totally understand it.

00:23:47.540 But he had, um, the CEO of OpenAI, Sam Altman, the CEO of SoftBank, uh, Masayoshi Son, and

00:23:55.920 the chairman of Oracle, Larry Ellison at the White House yesterday to announce that they're

00:24:01.500 supposedly going to invest a hundred billion in a project to start with plans to pour up

00:24:06.180 to 500 billion into Stargate.

00:24:08.140 And it's supposed to create a hundred thousand U.S.

00:24:10.800 jobs, build data centers around the country, and it's going to ensure that we remain ahead

00:24:16.900 of China in the AI arms race, which I don't really understand.

00:24:21.580 But I do understand Elon Musk weighing in to say they don't have anywhere near that much

00:24:27.180 money that this is he it was kind of interesting because Elon's his best tech friend, but he came

00:24:33.000 out and kind of poured cold water over this whole thing.

00:24:35.940 So what, what's your take on it?

00:24:38.660 Yeah.

00:24:39.180 So I, I'm a early AI developer.

00:24:41.980 I started developing AI over 10 years ago, um, sold an AI business in 2020, um, have, you

00:24:51.340 know, have been involved actively at Stanford law on issues around AI, AI government, governance,

00:24:59.120 human alignment of AI, and, um, you know, there's, there's a few arms races happening right now.

00:25:06.160 Yes, there is the national arms race, but there's also a race within the United States happening

00:25:12.240 right now.

00:25:12.880 Um, and I was, I, I, along with many others were, um, very, uh, curious watching with great

00:25:21.920 interest, what went on in yesterday's conference, um, for Stargate AI, because the arms race that's

00:25:29.060 happening in the United States is between a few groups, most notably there's the Elon Musk

00:25:35.040 AI team.

00:25:36.280 And then there's a Sam Altman AI team.

00:25:38.480 And if you look at the history of Elon and Sam, um, they were once together and then had

00:25:45.280 a major fracturing, major fracturing.

00:25:48.600 Um, and when I look at the world of Google and Microsoft and their founders, um, they're

00:25:55.420 kind of more, you know, there's many, many dots on the board, right?

00:26:00.240 Um, and, and they're all buying for the top position, uh, in AI.

00:26:05.540 And of course the government contractors around AI, that's going to be very, very major.

00:26:11.460 And so we're watching this all unfold in real time, right before our eyes.

00:26:16.180 Um, the thing that had the Maha community up in arms was the comment by Larry Ellison

00:26:22.500 yesterday on using AI, uh, to develop a cancer vaccine through the MR.

00:26:29.440 Let me just play that.

00:26:30.520 I have that Nicole.

00:26:31.360 I'm going to play that.

00:26:32.100 And then you react to it.

00:26:33.080 Here he is.

00:26:35.300 So you can do early cancer detection.

00:26:37.660 If you can do using a, you can do early cancer detection with a blood test, uh, and using

00:26:45.040 AI to look at the blood test, you can find the, a, the cancers that are actually seriously

00:26:52.120 threatening the person.

00:26:53.020 Once we gene sequence, once we gene sequence that cancer tumor, you can then vaccinate the

00:27:00.620 person, design a vaccine for every individual person to vaccinate them against that cancer.

00:27:07.660 And you can make that vaccine, the, that MRNA vaccine, you can make that robotically again,

00:27:16.540 using AI in about 48 hours.

00:27:18.840 So imagine early cancer detection, the development of a cancer vaccine for the, for your particular

00:27:24.780 cancer aimed at you and have, have that vaccine available in 48 hours.

00:27:29.260 This is the promise of AI and the promise of the future.

00:27:33.540 Go ahead.

00:27:34.340 People heard that and they were really up in arms, especially folks who understand that

00:27:42.820 what we need for the MRNA platform right now is a moratorium.

00:27:46.520 It's not ready for human use.

00:27:49.360 Um, it, it, it, many people will explain why one of the major reasons is that, um, it is,

00:27:57.260 and it is, it delivers an inconsistent result in individuals.

00:28:01.740 So, uh, you could be deploying the MRNA as it was, I think it was 700, uh, million, uh,

00:28:10.740 Americans received it and, um,

00:28:14.560 700 million doses, doses went out.

00:28:17.680 Yeah.

00:28:17.840 Sorry.

00:28:18.140 700 million doses.

00:28:19.020 Thank you for that correction.

00:28:20.460 Um, and amongst those, you know, it, the estimate is around 5% doesn't deliver as expected

00:28:29.120 into the host and you don't know what dose or what individuals that's going to happen.

00:28:34.360 And, um, so many of the turbo cancers, we're seeing many of the blood clots.

00:28:40.800 Um, I sent you in your team, a paper about how it's showing up in ovaries long after the

00:28:47.440 date, how the shedding can even impact, um, the, the shedding from an individual who received

00:28:53.520 the vaccine can impact someone who didn't take the vaccine.

00:28:56.800 And now there's a study showing that, uh, women who didn't take the vaccine, but were

00:29:01.780 around someone who was shedding after receiving the vaccine, we're having irregular menstrual cycles

00:29:06.540 because, um, it was showing up in their ovaries.

00:29:09.480 So one of the things that I think is really important, and, and this is, this is an argument

00:29:17.080 for, um, issues that I know this group of people cares about the, the Stargate people.

00:29:22.960 They, they care about the economy.

00:29:24.920 They care about competitiveness.

00:29:26.520 They care about the population.

00:29:28.380 Um, and in order for our population to grow, to be strong, to be fully able bodied and for

00:29:35.780 our economy, our human economy to thrive, we do need a moratorium on the MRNA for the time

00:29:42.920 being.

00:29:43.120 And I understand how many people are so impressed by this, especially computer engineers.

00:29:48.240 Um, they think that you can program the human body as you program, um, an AI system as, as

00:29:54.920 you program a computer system.

00:29:56.320 And the trouble with that mentality, um, is that nature and, you know, we don't even have

00:30:04.880 models and the science around how nature works and how our bodies interact, um, with nature.

00:30:10.380 There's a, um, element to it that, uh, when you interject something like the MRNA vaccine,

00:30:17.080 there's a huge amount of stochastic randomness that can occur.

00:30:20.960 Um, and so these, you know, if you see some of the uproar on X today about that, that's

00:30:28.180 individuals who understand this pretty deeply and they're, and they're very concerned.

00:30:32.360 Um, and yes, yes, there's something very, very impressive about the MRNA platform.

00:30:37.040 I mean, how wonderful if it worked a hundred percent of the time and with a great deal of

00:30:42.380 reliability, but, but we do need a moratorium on it for the time being.

00:30:47.360 Um, and I think it's not Russian roulette to take it.

00:30:51.380 Exactly.

00:30:52.340 Exactly.

00:30:53.200 And, and as I said, AI is a computer system.

00:30:56.520 Um, health, human health is not, it is not.

00:31:00.840 Um, and so there are some good uses of AI in the world.

00:31:05.220 And, and for those, I'm, I'm always happy to be a resource on, um, for instance, I, I

00:31:12.140 was just with a farmer and we were coming up with a farm plan and I was like, man, I would

00:31:16.440 love, um, you know, if there's an AI that could help me model.

00:31:20.600 All the phases of deploying a new pasture, you know, raised chicken operation on this

00:31:26.300 lot, on this very specific lot here in California, wouldn't that be great?

00:31:29.840 Um, because farmers are really struggling financially and that's actually a really great economic use

00:31:35.720 of AI.

00:31:36.300 Um, so there's so many, I could think about two of, of about 250 things that could have

00:31:42.000 been shared in yesterday's conference that are really excellent uses of AI.

00:31:45.860 And I didn't really hear them instead.

00:31:47.920 I heard a few that were, um, kind of, you know, out there and, and, and if deployed, um, too

00:31:56.340 quickly could, could lead to, uh, you know, an extinction, uh, event.

00:32:00.980 And so I think we, I think we, well, I mean, let's not forget the MRNA vaccine was developed

00:32:07.400 under Trump operation war warp speed was Trump's and you know, I'm not sure what lessons he's

00:32:14.220 taken from the vaccine injuries that started popping up and they were snuffed out by the

00:32:20.620 media and they were ignored by the Biden administration, not to mention big pharma, but now we have a

00:32:25.300 new sheriff in town and we'll see whether Trump's on board with that.

00:32:28.260 I think he's, he's, he takes credit for the vaccine.

00:32:30.900 He feels proud of the vaccine.

00:32:32.320 I don't know what, how much he is going to listen to vaccine injury stories around MRNA,

00:32:37.960 but, um, it's felt to me like Larry Allison was kind of ahead of his skis on that.

00:32:42.180 Like I'm into arms race against China.

00:32:44.600 I want to win against China.

00:32:46.300 I don't know if I'm into like experimental cancer vaccines that have the same Russian roulette

00:32:52.320 effect.

00:32:52.640 And I'll just say one other thing about it, Nicole, which is one of my biggest reasons for

00:32:57.520 believing in the vaccine during COVID was I naively thought if there's some significant

00:33:06.420 injury rate with a vaccine like this, that there'll be 700 million doses in the United

00:33:11.980 States.

00:33:12.560 There's no way big pharma won't cure it, won't do put everything they have into rectifying

00:33:19.320 the damage they caused, right?

00:33:21.820 There'd just be too many Americans suffering.

00:33:24.140 They they'll have too much money.

00:33:25.520 They have all this immunity.

00:33:26.400 They, they will want to cure the problem that they helped cause.

00:33:31.200 And I was totally wrong about that.

00:33:34.560 We're still in the complete denial phase.

00:33:39.300 Unfortunately, that's the case.

00:33:41.220 And, and I will say that had the MRNA platform worked as they had hoped, um, that is something

00:33:49.580 to be proud of.

00:33:50.860 Um, and, you know, I would say the speed at which it was deployed in, in a regular environment

00:33:57.560 where you would have time to test and, um, you had free speech because remember free speech

00:34:03.380 was taken away.

00:34:04.100 So that feedback loop was removed, um, really important feedback loop and, and that was removed.

00:34:11.220 And so now we have free speech again.

00:34:13.760 Thank you very much, president Trump.

00:34:15.780 Um, this is time for us to talk about it reasonably and logically, and it is not unusual for advancements

00:34:27.460 and biotech to scale back, to come back to the lab, to come back to the researchers.

00:34:34.440 Um, moratoriums have happened throughout civilization, um, on technological advances and, and they're

00:34:43.320 important.

00:34:43.860 And, and, and I think that it is time for us to, to really ask for a global moratorium on the MRNA platform.

00:34:53.720 Um, we really, it needs more time.

00:34:56.520 We need to really figure out what the risks are.

00:35:00.400 Yeah.

00:35:00.760 I've, I've completely lost my own trust in big pharma completely.

00:35:04.380 And I think that's appropriate.

00:35:05.600 Um, RFKJ of course is not on board with, I think this kind of thing.

00:35:11.440 He won't be running the new AI venture.

00:35:14.420 Ideally, if he gets confirmed, he's going to be running the national institutes of health

00:35:18.300 and he doesn't yet have a confirmation hearing scheduled.

00:35:21.660 They say, because they're asking for more information, you know, they want to have all

00:35:25.400 their ammo against him before they dig in.

00:35:29.140 But we're starting to see a preview of some of the attacks they're preparing.

00:35:34.280 They're not all from Democrats though, mostly, but Mike Pence's group, they're very against

00:35:39.960 him because they're very, very pro life and, you know, RFKJ is more pro choice though.

00:35:47.560 You know, there's a real question about how much he's going to be weighing in on that in

00:35:50.540 the new role.

00:35:51.180 I think he understands the Trump administration is pro life.

00:35:54.400 Anyway, here's what Mike Pence said.

00:35:56.820 Um, RFK has expressed support for conspiracy theories involving vaccines and wifi.

00:36:04.980 That's where he starts.

00:36:07.600 I think that's so interesting.

00:36:10.360 Vaccines is interesting given the conversation we just discussed and given the fact that I

00:36:14.420 really think they overstate his position on other vaccines.

00:36:18.340 But the wifi thing is really interesting to me because let me tell you, I've heard a lot

00:36:24.280 about this.

00:36:24.820 Like you have to watch out for wifi, be careful about wifi.

00:36:27.760 And I was like, is that true?

00:36:30.880 Like I, I'm open-minded.

00:36:32.800 So I went to my doctor, my doctor said, get the vaccine.

00:36:37.960 He, in no way is he new agey, right?

00:36:42.100 I think he would laugh at the conversation we just had, frankly, about mRNAs, you know,

00:36:46.120 he's like that.

00:36:47.040 But he said, there are studies suggesting that a certain amount of at least EMF, you know,

00:36:56.180 like radio frequent radiation frequency coming out of like your outlets, your devices, and

00:37:01.760 yes, your wifi can be disruptive and potentially deeply problematic, especially to children.

00:37:09.060 He, and he sent me the studies that are being circulated within sort of the mainstream

00:37:13.320 medical community.

00:37:14.160 But now it gets reduced, Nicole, to a weird conspiracy theory that this weirdo RFKJ is

00:37:22.400 pushing and a reason he can't be confirmed.

00:37:25.880 Yeah, I'm surprised to hear that from Pence.

00:37:30.340 And, you know, when I, when I hear that, I hear, well, big pharma and big telecom, big

00:37:37.940 tech is, you know, in his pocket.

00:37:40.140 That's, that's what I hear.

00:37:41.400 Um, but I, I have to believe that someone like Pence, who, you know, really cares about

00:37:49.460 the dignity of life is a pro lifer can understand that some of these vaccines, especially the

00:37:57.080 HPV are actually really hurting women's abilities to conceive and to bring a child to bear.

00:38:04.920 Um, in some cases, uh, there's been reports of, of the mRNA vaccine causing miscarriages, um, uh,

00:38:14.920 premature bleeding, babies dying.

00:38:17.780 I mean, it's, so I, I think, you know, vaccine injury is real.

00:38:22.720 Um, concern about vaccine injury is, uh, a duty of anyone in government right now.

00:38:31.360 And it's hard for me to reconcile that you could be both so pro-life and so ignorant to

00:38:39.000 these things happening today.

00:38:41.280 Um, so, uh, and again, on, on the, um, EMF and electrochemical pollutants that impact our

00:38:50.220 body or these electrochemical processes that happen within our body.

00:38:54.300 Again, it doesn't reconcile that you could be both a pro lifer and not understand, um, that

00:39:01.840 women of childbearing age, um, are experiencing cancer at rates never before seen.

00:39:08.980 And, and, and these women are going to undergo treatments that are going to impact their ability

00:39:15.660 to conceive and bear a child.

00:39:18.660 That's a great point.

00:39:20.580 Yeah.

00:39:21.320 So, so that doesn't reconcile.

00:39:23.120 And I think that if you are a pro-lifer and you really care about these babies coming into

00:39:27.960 the world, because you are someone that believes that life is sacred, you cannot ignore these

00:39:34.300 things that are happening right now.

00:39:36.400 I pulled up the article he sent me.

00:39:38.460 I mean, truly, I thought my doctor was going to just laugh at this and be like, you're

00:39:41.600 fine.

00:39:42.140 I mean, there are people who live next to cell phone towers and, you know, GE headquarters

00:39:47.780 who are absolutely fine.

00:39:49.740 Move on, which is what he says to me over virtually everything.

00:39:52.140 He's the opposite of an alarmist.

00:39:54.600 But on this one, you know, this sort of EMF thing, this RF thing, like the wifi and the

00:40:00.920 number of plugs and the number of electronics in your house.

00:40:02.980 This is the article here.

00:40:04.620 Here's the abstract in part from what he sent me from the NIH.

00:40:08.260 Okay.

00:40:08.660 And this is, this is in part how it reads EMF exposure or electromagnetic fields.

00:40:15.360 That's what it stands for.

00:40:16.320 These are electromagnetic waves under like a certain size.

00:40:20.720 He says, uh, it reads a developing child's brain is vulnerable to EMF radiation.

00:40:26.740 Thus their caregivers concerns about the health effects of EMFs are increasing.

00:40:30.860 EMF exposure is divided into two categories, extremely low frequencies involving high voltage

00:40:36.120 transmission lines and in-home wiring and radio frequencies, RFs involving mobile phones,

00:40:42.980 smart devices, base stations, wifi, and 5g technologies.

00:40:47.980 The biological effects of EMFs on humans include stimulation, thermal, non-thermal, the latter

00:40:53.920 of which is least known, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:40:55.780 Among the health issues related to EMFs, the most important issue is human carcinogenicity.

00:41:01.180 According to the International Agency for Research on Cancers, evaluation of the carcinogenic risks

00:41:07.100 to humans, uh, these ELFs and RFs were evaluated as possible human carcinogens and goes on from there.

00:41:13.460 My point is Mike Pence doesn't have a medical degree.

00:41:17.940 Mike Pence doesn't have a lifetime acting as a lawyer to look into things like this, like

00:41:22.920 RFK does.

00:41:24.100 But Mike Pence thinks that he can kill RFK's nomination because of the life issue by sneaking

00:41:30.140 in these other issues to make him look like a kook.

00:41:32.580 And you tell me, Nicole, how many other people are trying to do that to him?

00:41:37.640 They, they, they just dismiss him out of hand as a nutcase instead of saying, what if what

00:41:44.860 he's saying is actually true?

00:41:48.480 First, I want to comment on kudos to your doctor for sending you that paper.

00:41:53.300 Um, that, that it's really, uh, makes me happy to hear that those doctors exist out there.

00:41:59.340 That's great.

00:42:00.060 Um, and, and, but to answer your question, uh, it is, it's beyond misguided.

00:42:07.220 I mean, RFK has come out and, and, and he has been so consistent in saying that every abortion

00:42:15.980 is a tragedy.

00:42:17.960 Um, and, and that he, you know, he's not one of these, um, folks that conflates the right

00:42:28.020 to bodily autonomy argument to let's all go, just get as many abort, you know, just get

00:42:33.220 an abortion.

00:42:33.980 Abortions are great.

00:42:34.740 Let's celebrate abortions.

00:42:36.160 Now that's weird.

00:42:37.460 RFK has never, ever been on that side of the bodily autonomy argument.

00:42:43.040 I mean, that's way out there.

00:42:44.620 Like celebrating abortions is, is oddly say it's just odd.

00:42:49.420 It's there's satanic elements to it.

00:42:51.820 It's that is not, that is not the case of RFK junior at all.

00:42:57.320 This is a man that loves life.

00:43:00.100 He loves, um, children.

00:43:03.680 He loves seeing people thrive.

00:43:07.500 And he is, um, a deeply concerned person that has dedicated his entire life to making sure

00:43:15.480 that the conditions for a beautiful life remain on this planet.

00:43:21.480 And he has worked tirelessly at that and has surrounded himself with really, really good

00:43:28.000 people that had had was the highlight of my experience.

00:43:31.600 Joining the campaign was meeting the people at children's health defense, um, meeting these

00:43:37.760 mothers, um, that have dedicated their whole, whole lives to fighting, um, against the blindness

00:43:46.680 and the inconsistency and the corruption that is hurting, uh, children.

00:43:52.320 And so I, I really think that if you are sitting in a Senate seat right now, um, and, and you

00:44:00.520 care and you're a person of God and you really do care about the sanctity of life, um, this

00:44:07.940 is our shot.

00:44:08.960 This is our shot to, uh, reverse, um, the rates of cancer, to reverse the rates of autism,

00:44:17.560 to reverse the rates of miscarriages and, you know, family members, um, struggling to

00:44:24.400 conceive.

00:44:24.920 I mean, we can invest in the sciences and use this massive, um, technological advancement

00:44:32.700 that's going on more broadly, but we can direct it properly.

00:44:35.920 Um, there are a few people set up to do that well, um, in the world right now.

00:44:42.640 And, and RFK Jr.

00:44:44.140 is, is a real shot.

00:44:46.100 And so I, I plead this case, um, to those in the Senate, you know, this is, this is going

00:44:53.980 to feel, um, it's going to feel like our country can exhale and relief, uh, when, when we see

00:45:02.420 RFK and that team, uh, heading HHS.

00:45:06.620 Right on.

00:45:08.060 Um, already you're getting groups like the outgoing, uh, FDA chairman who saying, look, calm down

00:45:16.400 because if you think it's going to be easy to reform a group like this, think again, maybe

00:45:21.840 10 years, maybe 20 years down the line.

00:45:25.480 But if they put into place some of these changes they're talking about on like preservative free

00:45:31.420 food, you're going to have a farm shutdown.

00:45:33.920 You're going to tank the economy.

00:45:35.440 There are very powerful interest groups that will be at play here, no matter who's running,

00:45:40.160 uh, FDA.

00:45:41.440 And, you know, right now we think it's going to be Marty McCary, who's great.

00:45:44.660 Um, and RFKJ, I'm sure we'll have a lot of input and so on, but what do you make of that

00:45:50.040 pushback, Nicole, that it's like, calm down.

00:45:53.700 It can't be done.

00:45:55.220 Washington is Washington.

00:45:57.960 I, I hear it.

00:45:59.220 I look, the red three ban just happened.

00:46:04.300 Look how much celebration that caused.

00:46:08.120 Red 40 is, is up next.

00:46:10.640 And these are like tiny, tiny advancements compared to what needs to happen.

00:46:16.060 So it's true.

00:46:18.240 This is going to be a lot of conversation.

00:46:22.940 Um, we're going to have to have the right people in these roles who understand how to

00:46:28.480 navigate this atmosphere.

00:46:31.000 And we have to have consensus builders and we have to have individuals who aren't going

00:46:37.960 to side pocket, um, lobbyist dollars, uh, to trade, you know, one thing for another.

00:46:46.260 And, um, it, it, it really is a consolidation, um, of efforts on behalf of the people.

00:46:55.140 And, and we have to prioritize things from, you know, mandates to consumer goods.

00:47:00.240 Like these are completely different categories.

00:47:02.320 Um, one of the topics that I think is, is worth visiting is, you know, the, the spraying

00:47:11.000 that's happening in the sky.

00:47:12.380 Like people didn't consent to some of these sprays, right?

00:47:16.380 They didn't consent.

00:47:17.340 They don't know.

00:47:18.020 They they're not aware of it.

00:47:19.200 Like, where is the informed consent?

00:47:20.700 So the categories around informed consent are different.

00:47:24.260 What are you talking about?

00:47:25.400 What is the spraying in the skies?

00:47:26.720 Do you mean over crops?

00:47:27.580 Um, well, that's one form of spraying, but the spring that I'm, um, uh, alluding to is

00:47:35.040 the weather modification, the geoengineering projects, um, which have been around for decades.

00:47:41.520 Um, it used to be silver oxide and, and, you know, there are contracts such as in the UAE,

00:47:47.800 um, they, they do cloud seeding.

00:47:50.560 Um, this is very well known, established, uh, um, science and, and it's pretty common,

00:47:59.340 uh, amongst, um, those in the world of, of weather and climate.

00:48:05.260 And, and the problem is, is that, you know, we, we've kind of skipped over the consent phase

00:48:12.300 of these operations and, and public disclosure.

00:48:15.800 So, and, and, and the same with, you know, certain outcomes of, of the mRNA platform, which

00:48:23.340 were mandated onto people, um, and they didn't have true informed consent.

00:48:27.320 So there's a few categories that I think that, that are worth our government really prioritizing

00:48:35.140 over consumer categories, um, where people have a choice, like people have a choice to,

00:48:41.100 to read a label and not consume, um, red 40.

00:48:45.580 Um, and, and, and again, we shouldn't like, uh, overlook the fact that it's highly carcinogenic

00:48:51.820 and, and we should get that out of our food supply.

00:48:54.180 And we definitely shouldn't be subsidizing, um, these companies in any way.

00:48:59.380 Um, but, but then there's this other category of, you know, stuff is entering individuals' bodies

00:49:05.800 across the country and, and they don't have the ability to consent to it if they're outside

00:49:11.400 on the coastline and you see, um, some of these geoengineering projects overhead that that's,

00:49:18.100 that comes down, it's inhaled, it ends up in our soil, it ends up in our water.

00:49:22.460 We, we can't control it.

00:49:24.560 Um, and, and so that's where government, uh, needs to, it needs to protect, um, the sovereignty

00:49:32.520 of the individual.

00:49:33.960 I want to know more about that.

00:49:35.600 I, I don't know about the weather modification and then the cloud seeding, and I would like

00:49:40.100 to, so let's put a pin in that one and make another date.

00:49:44.100 Cause it sounds like you have a lot of expertise on it, Nicole, as so many other things in the

00:49:48.620 Maha movement.

00:49:49.260 Thank God that Trump won and RFKJ won and we won, and that I know you'll have a major voice

00:49:56.560 on a lot of these issues.

00:49:57.880 Thanks for being here today.

00:49:59.660 Thank you.

00:50:00.000 I really do believe we have a real chance.

00:50:03.260 Yes, me too.

00:50:04.760 For the first time in so long.

00:50:06.240 And you know, we haven't even scratched the surface, you know, RFKJ is determined to get

00:50:09.260 those big pharma ads off of TV, which entice people into buying medication or pushing for

00:50:14.380 medication that they don't necessarily need, which can cause other problems.

00:50:18.020 It's just, we've been taken advantage of so much by big pharma.

00:50:21.180 I realize they've done some good, but man, they've done a lot of bad too.

00:50:24.580 Let's be honest.

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00:51:35.080 Sasha Stone was on this show back in 2022 when she first detailed her political shift from the left.

00:51:42.320 If the left wants to understand the attraction of MAGA, they need to read Sasha Stone's substack and stop canceling her.

00:51:51.200 And listen to her podcast of the same name, Free Thinking Through the Fourth Turning with Sasha Stone.

00:51:58.700 Sasha, welcome back to the show.

00:51:59.940 Oh, my God.

00:52:02.320 It's so great to see you, Megan.

00:52:04.080 I mean, it's been the last time I think I talked to you, you had no, it was, there was no set.

00:52:09.440 There was like, I don't even think you were on Sirius yet, right?

00:52:12.940 That's probably right.

00:52:14.140 I think I am your number one fan.

00:52:16.860 Like, I'm fangirling out right now.

00:52:18.600 No, stop.

00:52:18.960 Truly.

00:52:19.580 I never miss an episode.

00:52:21.680 I encourage everybody to download the podcast.

00:52:23.640 There's something incredibly soothing about your voice and your storytelling.

00:52:30.900 It's, it's like a, it's a journey.

00:52:33.280 It's, yes, it's newsy too, but it's, it's not like I'm going there for news.

00:52:37.840 Obviously, I have a lot of sources I can go to for news.

00:52:40.420 I'm going there to hear your unique take on the news in like a soothing, entertaining, clever,

00:52:50.020 transformational way.

00:52:51.480 I, I absolutely love it.

00:52:54.640 Uh, you'll have to excuse me.

00:52:56.060 I'm going to go pass out in the other room.

00:52:57.960 I can't believe Megan Kelly just said that to me.

00:53:00.180 I am your huge fan.

00:53:01.900 I listened every day today.

00:53:02.960 I was like, oh, and I'm not going to get to listen to Megan's show.

00:53:05.940 Oh, I am on Megan's show.

00:53:09.440 Well, I listen, I even like listen at the 9am.

00:53:13.040 I'm delighted to share you with our, with our audience because I think they're going to love

00:53:16.420 everything you do just as much as I do.

00:53:18.160 And so let's talk about your backstory.

00:53:19.660 I know we talked about it a bit before, but let's do it again for those who didn't hear that episode,

00:53:23.120 because we're bigger now.

00:53:24.600 And, um, a lot's happened since you were last on, as you pointed out, it was a long time

00:53:28.600 ago.

00:53:29.500 So just like you're a California girl, right?

00:53:32.460 You grow up like I did in the seventies and you stumble into a career.

00:53:37.320 I think it's fair to say as a Hollywood critic, as a film critic and somebody who became very

00:53:44.680 popular and sponsored by studios at awards daily.

00:53:49.000 That was your website or blog that was very well supported and important.

00:53:53.920 I mean, it was beloved by the Hollywood crowd, which is really the crowd that matters when

00:53:57.940 you're doing that kind of work.

00:53:59.340 Mm-hmm.

00:54:01.660 Yeah.

00:54:01.980 Um, I think of myself really in a funny way as an internet person first, like I got online

00:54:07.700 in, um, 1999 and I became a early adopter building a website and, you know, talking to

00:54:15.440 people from all over the world.

00:54:17.500 And so I built this site, Oscar watch.com.

00:54:19.880 And it was, it was starting to get popular enough that Hollywood was paying attention to

00:54:24.320 me.

00:54:24.520 And they were saying things like, who is this person and what she's saying about the Oscars

00:54:28.200 that, you know, we aren't controlling because the media controlled it back then so much.

00:54:34.000 And, um, but I liked being a rabble rouser.

00:54:37.120 I liked busting up that whole system.

00:54:38.720 And I liked having a voice where people didn't really, um, see me as you, I mean, I'm not

00:54:44.100 a video person.

00:54:44.840 I'm not like you, Megan.

00:54:45.940 I'm not, you know, I, I, I run from the camera.

00:54:49.240 I'm, I'm horrified and terrified of it.

00:54:51.100 But so the internet gave me a chance to, to kind of hide, but as I stumbled into the

00:54:56.960 Oscars, I just kept being guided by, I have to tell the truth.

00:55:00.960 I have to tell what I think is true as opposed to what I know everybody else wants me to say.

00:55:05.740 But over time, you know, the more money they throw at you, the more you're expected to

00:55:11.360 kind of go along with what they want you to say.

00:55:14.060 It's just like politics, right?

00:55:15.400 It's just like lobbyists.

00:55:16.460 And, uh, the democratic party is just like Hollywood, the way that it's run.

00:55:20.620 And I look around the Oscar scene right now and I'm, I'm embarrassed for how having contributed

00:55:25.260 to it, you know?

00:55:27.000 Um, I, I didn't start getting into politics until, uh, 2015 and I became a Hillary, a devout

00:55:35.220 Hillary supporter.

00:55:36.100 And I spent every second of every day online arguing with Bernie bros, arguing with Trump

00:55:41.880 supporters and saying, we have to elect her, you know, the world will end if we don't.

00:55:47.100 And, um, and that got the attention of Neera Tanden and people in the, in the democratic

00:55:51.880 party.

00:55:53.020 Um, and they singled me out as an influencer and that's how I ended up being plucked from

00:55:59.280 the internet and put into this picnic with Joe Biden when he first announced he was running.

00:56:04.200 And so it's really shocking to them that I turned the way that I did.

00:56:08.720 It is because they didn't follow it from 2020 to now.

00:56:13.000 It's shocking and it's upsetting.

00:56:15.480 It does.

00:56:16.020 You know, it reminds me of something I wanted to say.

00:56:18.320 Uh, obviously I've gotten a closer to team Trump in the past year than I ever had been

00:56:24.200 before, but I, I make a point of never asking them for anything.

00:56:31.800 Like Trump asked me to speak in Pittsburgh and I said, yes.

00:56:34.600 And team Trump asked me to speak the day before his inauguration.

00:56:37.420 And I said, yes, but I asked them for nothing, nothing.

00:56:41.440 I don't, I did not ask them for great seats at the inauguration festivities or ball tickets

00:56:47.240 or anything like that, because I don't want to owe him anything.

00:56:51.260 It's fine if, if he feels like I've done him a solid, but to do this job, honestly, I

00:56:57.940 cannot owe him anything because then I would feel afraid to criticize him.

00:57:02.880 So I totally get what you're saying.

00:57:04.840 If these, if the studios are paying your bills, you start to just bit by bit feel like, Oh

00:57:10.940 God, am I free to say exactly what I want to say?

00:57:13.840 Absolutely.

00:57:14.760 And in fact, they will write directly and say, take that post down or, you know, and the

00:57:20.080 more money you make, you know, seriously, the more money that you make, the harder it is.

00:57:25.060 You get in a trap and I see all these other people that came up, these little bloggers

00:57:29.300 that, you know, if you're, if you're working like as a salesman and they're throwing all

00:57:33.380 this money at you, what else are you going to do?

00:57:35.300 You know, you're not going to be like, I'm going to say whatever I want to say.

00:57:38.680 You can't.

00:57:40.120 So it's just a little bit here, a little bit there.

00:57:43.120 Jody Shaw, who I, you know, talked about on the show yesterday.

00:57:45.840 And it takes a very strong person to just say what they actually feel when they aren't

00:57:51.120 rich and they don't have a guaranteed income.

00:57:53.560 Um, and they have people, I know you have a daughter who they need to support and help.

00:57:57.900 So, all right.

00:57:58.660 So your life is going well.

00:58:00.280 You're, you're doing it on your own.

00:58:01.880 You're your own boss.

00:58:02.960 And then, and you're big Democrat.

00:58:05.500 And then 2020 seems to be the beginning of the shift COVID.

00:58:09.980 I mean, I would, is it fair to market like COVID lockdowns and to like the Trump raid on

00:58:15.920 Mar-a-Lago as like two big benchmarks in your transformation?

00:58:19.600 Yeah, absolutely.

00:58:21.940 Because the Trump raid was when I became a Trump voter and a Trump supporter.

00:58:25.580 But before that, I was just, I'm, when I was on your show, even I'm not a Trump supporter,

00:58:29.820 but I'm not a Trump voter, but, and I had to say that because I knew the Trump line was

00:58:34.260 one you cannot cross.

00:58:35.960 You can be anti-cancel culture.

00:58:37.940 You can be critical of the studios, but you cannot say I support Donald Trump because

00:58:42.880 he's considered, as you know, the world's greatest evil, right?

00:58:46.700 So, um, I have to be, I knew I had to do that.

00:58:50.580 And if I ever did take that leap, it was going to be serious and it was going to hurt.

00:58:53.840 It was going to hurt my, my business.

00:58:56.100 I knew that.

00:58:56.680 But at the same time, I knew that I'd been writing on my site for all these years.

00:59:00.100 And sooner or later, someone was going to say, um, this is what she's doing.

00:59:05.700 Yeah.

00:59:07.340 So somebody did say that this, this past summer, right?

00:59:10.800 This, that's when, because I'd been listening to you and I've been listening to you talk

00:59:14.140 about how some friends and some, some people were abandoning you.

00:59:18.960 Like they, they were getting on to the fact that you were, you'd shown up at MAGA rallies,

00:59:23.380 you know, like you weren't the Sasha they knew.

00:59:25.640 And then the big, the big takedown quote unquote happened this past summer.

00:59:30.680 Was it Hollywood reporter?

00:59:31.720 Yeah, it was, it was a conscious decision by me to kind of go public.

00:59:37.560 Meaning I didn't, I have two Twitter accounts.

00:59:39.620 I didn't want to keep pretending to be one thing in my lockdown Twitter account and hiding

00:59:45.020 on my other, I felt like a hypocrite.

00:59:47.060 And I also knew someone was going to break the story because we were heading into the

00:59:50.380 election and I was very much pro Trump by then.

00:59:53.380 And, um, I had to say, this is what I think.

00:59:56.800 And I also, to, to be totally honest, I wanted to join the fight.

01:00:00.160 I wanted people to hear what I had to say.

01:00:03.020 I wanted to refute tweets in public.

01:00:04.760 I wanted to use my platform, but I had also had a conversation with the people who work

01:00:08.880 for me saying, this is happening.

01:00:11.600 We have to figure this out because it's going to happen.

01:00:14.540 And they understood and they were going to build their own site.

01:00:18.020 They just kept putting it off.

01:00:19.100 And then came the joke about white dudes for Harris, which I can say is the thing that

01:00:26.920 ended my career.

01:00:28.080 It was, it's hilarious to me, but, um, I think what happened was Richard Hania or Hanania or

01:00:33.740 whatever his name is.

01:00:34.460 He's on subsec too.

01:00:35.440 I think he tweeted something mocking them and I retweeted it and I said, white power.

01:00:40.380 But I grew up in the eighties.

01:00:42.980 You grew up, you know, we, we used sarcasm.

01:00:45.800 We were not cowed and fearful.

01:00:48.600 We were, you know, we love jokes.

01:00:51.020 We love to be.

01:00:52.060 And so to me, it's the funniest joke to say white power about these people, but boy, they

01:00:57.000 didn't like that.

01:00:57.980 That was blasphemy.

01:00:58.580 You're mocking them.

01:00:59.760 It's so obvious that you're mocking them.

01:01:01.880 I was mocking them.

01:01:02.360 So, yeah.

01:01:03.880 And I didn't know that it was a problem until I heard from my friend who called me, my really

01:01:07.880 good friend.

01:01:08.520 And he said, what did you mean by that tweet?

01:01:12.100 And I said, what are you talking about?

01:01:14.440 And he said, power to the white people.

01:01:17.120 I meant, yes.

01:01:18.540 And then I was going to compound the problem by saying, what self-respecting white supremacist

01:01:23.440 would claim white dudes for Harris?

01:01:25.340 Like they just wouldn't.

01:01:27.700 But, um, but that wouldn't go over, have gone over very well either.

01:01:30.480 Um, and then another friend who works with me wrote me and said, you know, um, this is

01:01:37.940 happening.

01:01:38.480 It has millions of views.

01:01:39.920 What's going on?

01:01:41.360 And I said, it was a joke.

01:01:43.560 And, and he said, well, people aren't seeing it that way.

01:01:46.380 I'm getting all these DMS.

01:01:47.720 There's trouble.

01:01:49.020 Um, and I, I didn't take it down at first until I heard from her, the journalist, Rebecca

01:01:54.680 Keegan, who DM'd me and said, hi, Sasha, I just want to write, do a story with you.

01:01:59.360 Would you like to talk to me for, I was like, what in 25 years, these people have never

01:02:05.160 asked to do a profile on me, a single mother with a little baby who built a website, who

01:02:10.540 launched an industry, who was a woman owned, you know, business never once did they do

01:02:16.520 that profile that I always thought would be coming.

01:02:18.960 Like, look at what she built, look at what she did.

01:02:21.100 But now Rebecca Keegan at the Hollywood reporter wanted to talk to me.

01:02:24.500 So I knew what it was, obviously it was going to be a hit piece.

01:02:27.860 And, and so I, I felt absolute terror.

01:02:31.960 And, uh, and I said, are you going to write it anyway?

01:02:34.140 And she said, yes.

01:02:35.480 And I said, okay, well, I'll talk to you.

01:02:36.960 And I did.

01:02:37.400 I talked to her for like two hours, stupidly, Megan, stupidly.

01:02:40.920 I need to learn how to not, you know, like not be so forthcoming.

01:02:45.160 Cause I said things I really wish I had said, I didn't have to tell her all that stuff.

01:02:50.540 They're not out for your best interests at all.

01:02:52.940 No, I mean, with practice, you know, like that was a lesson you learned and then you'll

01:02:57.040 learn more lessons and then you'll get it.

01:02:58.480 Then you'll totally have it.

01:03:00.180 Yeah.

01:03:00.880 But I'm just killing myself.

01:03:02.220 Like, why did you say that?

01:03:03.520 Why just give her what she needs to know, you know, try to, but I thought I'm going to

01:03:07.700 like tell her my story and she's going to understand it and she's going to get it.

01:03:10.520 But what I forgot was that if you're someone who wakes up with NPR goes, you know, goes

01:03:15.220 to sleep with like NBC news and CNN and Rachel Maddow, there's no getting it.

01:03:19.840 There's no way, you know, it's like trying to explain witchcraft and that there's no

01:03:24.440 witchcraft in Salem.

01:03:25.420 Like they are so, and so anyway, yes, it, it, it, and then I was terrified and horrified

01:03:32.120 and I told my staff and they quit the site that day because they had to, they have to

01:03:36.580 make a living.

01:03:37.600 Oh no.

01:03:38.240 So they all immediately set up another site that got into the story too.

01:03:41.960 Cause they told her and it sounded like they were all jumping ship and that they were

01:03:45.800 abandoning me.

01:03:46.760 And she made it sound like, you know, all of this was happening because of the tweet, but

01:03:51.240 it was actually her story that was causing the fear.

01:03:55.080 And so that's where, that's where things really got bad for me in ways that I could have never

01:04:01.620 guessed.

01:04:02.220 These are people that I knew they were my friends.

01:04:04.460 I thought, um, I have never felt, and I know you felt it, I know, but, um, I've never felt

01:04:10.960 that way.

01:04:11.400 It was like a punch in the stomach.

01:04:12.700 It was, it made me sick and I was horrified.

01:04:16.640 I felt like I was in the twilight zone.

01:04:18.180 I kept thinking this isn't really happening.

01:04:20.000 Is it, but it was so Apple pulled their ads that day.

01:04:24.040 And, and as the, usually when, when Oscar season is revving up, all the studios write

01:04:28.000 me and they say, you know, could we buy inventory?

01:04:30.500 And I sell out my inventory every year, which I couldn't believe anyway, by the way, never,

01:04:34.980 I could never believe that I made money doing this crazy thing, but that was it.

01:04:40.580 Only one studio decided somehow to advertise.

01:04:45.440 And, um, so I'll always be grateful to them for that, that there was at least one that

01:04:50.900 had the, uh, the courage to say, you know, we value her voice.

01:04:54.240 We're not afraid of the mob and we're going to advertise, you know?

01:04:57.580 Mm-hmm.

01:04:58.500 No, I can relate to this just in that when we launched this show, uh, the one thing I

01:05:03.080 said to, uh, my, my partner at Red Seed Ventures, Chris Balfe was don't, don't give me any

01:05:08.240 advertisers who don't have strong spines.

01:05:10.480 I don't want somebody running at the first LGBTQ nasty letter about me saying men cannot

01:05:18.760 become women.

01:05:19.620 And I'm telling you, we haven't lost a single one.

01:05:22.100 Not a single advertiser has abandoned us at all over anything we've said.

01:05:27.840 It's, it's been amazing and it's so freeing, right?

01:05:30.840 So I feel like the destruction comes and then like a Phoenix, you will rise out of those ashes

01:05:37.540 and be better aligned with the people supporting you.

01:05:41.360 And I really think like, you got to get ads on your podcast.

01:05:45.260 I don't, I don't, I feel like there aren't any, I don't hear any ads in your, but you've

01:05:48.820 got, you, you need to make money this way.

01:05:51.500 I'm not a very good.

01:05:52.520 No, I know.

01:05:53.220 I'm just not a very good business person that way.

01:05:55.220 Like I, I, you know, my site is still for free.

01:05:57.140 I don't even have a premium part of it, but.

01:05:59.260 No, you need, you need, you need to make money like this.

01:06:02.180 We will pay.

01:06:02.760 I'm telling you, I myself would pay and I pay for almost none of this stuff.

01:06:05.920 I'm like, I consume so much, but I would definitely pay.

01:06:08.440 And I would certainly listen to a couple of ads to listen to you.

01:06:12.020 You, you got to do it and I will help you do it.

01:06:14.040 If you want me to connect you with Chris, who can help you do this.

01:06:17.100 And I will 100% tell him he has to help you.

01:06:19.460 Yes.

01:06:19.740 You can make money in this lane and you're very talented.

01:06:22.580 You should make money in this lane.

01:06:25.000 Oh, thank you.

01:06:25.940 And, and there is, there is, I was listening, listening, watching you tweet with, um, uh,

01:06:31.540 the tiger mom, uh, Amy Chua, and you were, you were saying to her that it was great that

01:06:36.900 she stood up to Yale and she didn't walk out.

01:06:39.640 And, and there's a part of me that thinks that I want to stay in just for that reason.

01:06:44.520 But the other part of me is like, I'm, I don't know how interested I am in it anymore.

01:06:48.280 You know, the movies.

01:06:50.060 That good.

01:06:51.820 It's, um, it's a corrupt, it's like the democratic party.

01:06:55.080 It's corrupt.

01:06:55.960 I mean, I, I like a lot of people in it.

01:06:58.020 I like a lot of the movies, but I don't know, but a part of me, the, the fighter in me wants

01:07:03.960 to, you know, continue to say things they don't want me to say.

01:07:08.320 Yeah.

01:07:08.720 And I want to hear your take on these movies.

01:07:10.640 I think there's such a huge market for people on the right half of the country who would

01:07:15.200 like to hear the straight scoop on what's good.

01:07:17.240 What's not good.

01:07:17.940 What's woke and annoying and not worth our time.

01:07:21.040 You know, could have used your, your two cents before I spent my time watching conclave.

01:07:25.400 Anyway, I'm sorry.

01:07:26.560 But even I would 100% tune into that.

01:07:30.500 In addition to your political commentary, I would love to hear somebody who I know is

01:07:34.740 sane and not woke analyze these films.

01:07:37.940 And I can tell it's so fun.

01:07:39.160 You have encyclopedic knowledge of films and I don't have encyclopedic knowledge, but I,

01:07:43.520 I did grow up doing nothing other than watching television and movies.

01:07:48.280 I didn't know.

01:07:49.820 I know.

01:07:50.420 I didn't play sports.

01:07:51.920 I love your movie references.

01:07:55.260 I know you are a movie fan.

01:07:56.780 The other day, the movie you were talking about was Hannah and her sisters, the Woody Allen

01:08:00.140 movie that had the, uh, the death where he goes to the different religions.

01:08:04.800 Yeah.

01:08:05.120 Oh, yes.

01:08:06.080 Yes, exactly.

01:08:08.760 That was what Hannah and her sisters.

01:08:10.840 And Woody Allen's running around trying to figure out a new religion.

01:08:13.620 And by the way, I saw Woody Allen at a restaurant last week in New York and he was there with

01:08:18.220 his wife, Sun Yi.

01:08:19.340 And I have to say, I looked it up.

01:08:21.220 He's 89 now.

01:08:23.360 She's my age.

01:08:24.300 She's 54.

01:08:25.840 And I, you know, hashtag goals to be out at a New York city restaurant on a Wednesday at

01:08:31.540 9 PM when you're 89 walking of your own power, hanging out with friends.

01:08:37.800 They were there with two others.

01:08:38.560 I have to say, I was kind of impressed.

01:08:40.060 I think it's a lifetime of walking in New York that did it.

01:08:42.080 And probably the joy that comes with doing what you want.

01:08:46.300 And his health.

01:08:47.380 Like, he's always been really weird about that.

01:08:49.200 Like he always walks after dinner.

01:08:50.380 He's very strict about his diet.

01:08:52.140 Speaking of encyclopedic dogs, like, how do I know this about me?

01:08:55.180 But I just do.

01:08:56.740 But, um, but I love your movie references and you bring them up all the time.

01:09:00.040 Broadcast news, you know, all the movies.

01:09:02.200 And I always think she's a movie fan.

01:09:03.580 And like, there's so many movie fans that just don't watch movies anymore because the

01:09:07.080 movies are so bad.

01:09:08.900 I call it getting woked like you did with Conclave.

01:09:12.020 Well, now Conclave is my one advertiser.

01:09:14.340 So I'm going to be nice.

01:09:15.600 Well, then I'll support them in so far as that.

01:09:17.700 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:19.740 But like, I call it getting woked.

01:09:21.440 Like with Twisters, I felt like I got woked because Twisters was supposed to be, they were

01:09:25.400 selling Glenn Powell as the hero.

01:09:28.060 And I was like, great, great.

01:09:29.760 Finally, a movie that kind of seems like Top Gun Maverick, baby.

01:09:34.060 But then I get there and it's like, no, it's not because the smartest girl in the room also

01:09:39.320 has to save the town from the tornado.

01:09:41.520 And they put Glenn Powell in the barn and then they don't even let him kiss at the end.

01:09:46.700 You know, it's like a waste.

01:09:49.240 So I thought that's getting woked.

01:09:50.160 What do you make of the big controversy over It Ends With Us?

01:09:54.340 Have you been following that?

01:09:56.180 On your show only and on TikTok.

01:09:58.920 They're obsessed with it on TikTok, by the way.

01:10:01.880 That would be a great entry point for you.

01:10:04.080 So I, you know, I listened to your side of it and I had taken the other side of it at

01:10:12.480 first.

01:10:12.940 I thought I'm going to defend Blake Lively.

01:10:15.440 Of course, that's that's the only information that was being given.

01:10:18.820 But it's getting weirder, the story, like it's the layers of it now.

01:10:23.780 Can I tell you something going on that?

01:10:25.880 So just today, I got my hands on this document that was just filed by Blake Lively's team.

01:10:31.900 Her lawyers went into this California human rights office where she tried to launch this

01:10:40.140 campaign against Justin Baldoni and complained saying that they should be shut down.

01:10:46.400 Justin Baldoni should be shut down from offering any public defense of these allegations because

01:10:54.180 it's all retaliatory.

01:10:56.160 Everything he does to defend himself, according to Blake Lively's lawyers, is retaliation against

01:11:00.820 her.

01:11:01.820 And truly, it's as if they're saying they can launch whatever public attack they want on

01:11:06.660 him, but he cannot respond or it's retaliation against a sexual harassment victim.

01:11:14.260 It's totally absurd.

01:11:16.220 And if it were true, yeah, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard never would have had the ultimate

01:11:21.280 resolution that they had in the court of public opinion.

01:11:23.820 That's right.

01:11:25.620 And I feel like hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

01:11:28.880 Like, I feel like there's something more there.

01:11:31.100 I don't know that this would all be happening if there wasn't some sort of deeper layer of

01:11:35.660 feelings happening.

01:11:37.200 I don't want to say that because I don't want to.

01:11:38.740 Yes.

01:11:39.020 But I mean, it's a little personal, you know?

01:11:43.620 Yeah, it's my opinion.

01:11:44.740 It feels a little personal to me.

01:11:46.300 There's something a little more than just a career spat.

01:11:50.020 I think there's there's a rejection of passion there that makes me wonder about what's happening

01:11:56.320 behind the scenes in conversations with her husband.

01:11:58.740 And now, I mean, I'll show this later because there's also a video that dropped today that

01:12:03.600 totally disproves her most one of her most salacious claims against him.

01:12:06.920 So her case is falling apart.

01:12:08.340 That's why she's trying to shut him down from releasing further evidence or talking about

01:12:11.860 it at all.

01:12:13.100 And she's basically lost the public war in, you know, the opinions.

01:12:17.660 And so she's trying to shut him up.

01:12:19.460 It's like, well, she didn't bank on him fighting back and actually winning.

01:12:22.620 All right.

01:12:23.120 But I want to get back to you and MAGA, because one of the things I really love about you is

01:12:28.220 much in the same way that Nicole Shanahan produced those.

01:12:32.440 Remember the MAGA people video she did?

01:12:34.620 Like the MAGA people in like the 1950s, like aliens from space came down and observed the

01:12:41.040 people.

01:12:42.040 That's how you are.

01:12:43.380 You you're able to describe like MAGA and Trump and the movement in exactly that kind

01:12:50.300 of way, like zoom out.

01:12:51.680 What who are they?

01:12:53.140 What are they about?

01:12:54.160 And I guess as good a place to start on that as any is the J6 pardons, which, of course,

01:12:59.900 the left is melting down over.

01:13:05.740 Yeah.

01:13:06.420 And I hear a lot of conservatives, too, like Jonathan Turley just tweeted something out.

01:13:12.080 And and I understand that I've learned more about the law listening to your show than I've

01:13:17.380 ever known about it.

01:13:18.300 So I understand that there's a there's a legal process that could have perhaps been taken

01:13:22.180 to fix the problems in the cases.

01:13:25.100 And maybe we go through the maybe it's five more years down the road.

01:13:28.100 They finally get released and all that.

01:13:29.920 And I get the part where he says that it's not it's not a good thing to just blanket

01:13:35.020 pardon these people.

01:13:35.900 What I don't understand is them saying that it's his militia army and that, you know,

01:13:44.080 he he incited an armed mom to attack the Capitol.

01:13:48.940 It's just not true.

01:13:51.040 And I was I had a personal way into that, because in 2020, part of my research to getting to know

01:13:58.460 the world of the right was that I was listening to Steve Bannon's War Room podcast and I listened

01:14:03.700 to it a lot.

01:14:04.380 And then so after the election, I felt as a Democrat that it had been rigged and that

01:14:10.560 it was such a big rigging that we'd never have a fair election in this country again.

01:14:16.900 And so I'd left the Democratic Party.

01:14:19.000 But I went over to MAGA because I had heard that they were going to protest the election

01:14:24.440 and that Trump was not accepting the results.

01:14:27.980 And I thought, wow, really?

01:14:29.740 That's wild.

01:14:30.880 Of course, come to find later, we found out that he that the cabal that that got together

01:14:39.060 to try to rig the election had planned on him not accepting the results.

01:14:44.620 And in fact, I think they even planned on a mob attacking the Capitol.

01:14:48.560 But if you follow the stop the steal, you knew what that was about.

01:14:52.740 And if you didn't, you would never know because of the way the media has covered it.

01:14:56.900 But with these guys, these patriots, they don't see themselves as violent.

01:15:04.580 Right.

01:15:05.780 That when they show up at a statehouse or whatever, when they're armed, they're not trying to

01:15:09.900 threaten violence.

01:15:10.780 They're saying, if you attack me, I will defend myself because they think the left is the

01:15:16.180 violent side.

01:15:16.880 And they are.

01:15:18.080 They are.

01:15:18.940 I've come from the left.

01:15:20.460 This is a by any means necessary party.

01:15:24.380 And so the MAGA, the same way that, you know, MAGA, they're not the breaking windows,

01:15:31.500 attacking government property party.

01:15:33.720 They're just not.

01:15:34.340 And and if you know that about them, you know, even Alex Jones was out there on the

01:15:38.940 in D.C. saying, no violence, peaceful, peaceful only.

01:15:43.180 And so for me, I thought when I heard about the riot, I thought, what is that?

01:15:49.540 You know, what are they doing?

01:15:50.780 Like, that's not the MAGA I know, you know.

01:15:53.980 And and so as I watched this whole thing play out and I saw how the media portrayed them

01:15:59.840 and I saw how people talked about them and described them as terrorists, you know, I

01:16:05.500 began to feel not just defensive of them, but but worried about the truth of what actually

01:16:11.900 happened.

01:16:12.480 You know, we know about the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping.

01:16:14.640 We know about what they did with with the Muslim men, the FBI entrapment case.

01:16:21.540 So why wouldn't they if they knew something was coming to D.C. on January 6th?

01:16:27.040 Why wouldn't they do that?

01:16:29.320 I'm not saying that the FBI set it up, but I am saying that it's possible that the FBI

01:16:34.700 informants looking for a payout could have been working with a separate group, not Trump's

01:16:40.000 group to get this whole thing going, you know, so that they had this proof, this thing that

01:16:48.540 they had with the Gretchen Whitmer case, the same thing.

01:16:51.060 You know, it was like.

01:16:52.760 These are violent people.

01:16:54.260 They're a threat to our democracy.

01:16:55.840 They're a threat to our country.

01:16:57.440 And here's proof.

01:16:59.420 You know.

01:17:00.200 Oh, yeah.

01:17:00.440 And it could be used against Trump.

01:17:03.020 I mean, it could be used to potentially as they tried to impeach Trump so that he could,

01:17:08.300 if they had their way, never run for office again and to smear all of them, not just all

01:17:13.700 of the Trump family, but all of MAGA, all of the Trump supporters.

01:17:17.660 And really, I think the end goal was never let him return to office, which is one of the

01:17:25.460 reasons why it's so incredible he just got sworn in again.

01:17:29.180 I know.

01:17:30.020 I never got tired of seeing that.

01:17:31.820 It's just it is the greatest thing that's ever happened, I think, in American politics.

01:17:36.200 And not just because, you know, I voted for him and I like I'm I'm happy with the way things

01:17:41.920 are going now, but also because they deserved it.

01:17:45.720 They deserved it.

01:17:46.800 You know, you don't do that in America.

01:17:48.180 You don't treat American citizens like terrorists.

01:17:52.100 So with the pardons, I thought that Trump was saying, you know, we're just going to let

01:17:57.560 this go.

01:17:57.980 These cases were corrupt.

01:17:59.320 They had you know, they were they thought that they were fighting for me and that they

01:18:03.160 were, you know, defending the the, you know, democracy or whatever in their minds, even

01:18:10.260 though he had nothing to do with it, because obviously Trump spent if you read Ted Cruz's

01:18:15.420 book, he spent an extensive amount of time trying to convince Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley

01:18:21.320 to argue in the Senate.

01:18:24.160 And they were doing that finally.

01:18:26.180 So why would he have wanted a violent riot when all that did was hand power to the Democrats,

01:18:31.240 not just power, but absolute power?

01:18:33.820 They could get anything they wanted after that.

01:18:36.020 Look, it's done all the time in politics, you know.

01:18:40.000 Yeah.

01:18:40.580 And it was used not only to I mean, if they had managed to actually convict him on the

01:18:44.860 impeachment, he wouldn't have been able to run again.

01:18:47.840 But when that failed, then they used it over and over in Georgia and at the federal level

01:18:52.920 to try to stop him, to put him in jail so that he couldn't return to power.

01:18:57.680 I mean, like they they threw everything they had at him.

01:19:01.440 And we continue to hear about January 6th.

01:19:04.180 Even before the pardons, it continued to be a theme.

01:19:07.480 Barack Obama pushed it in the last hours of the campaign.

01:19:10.760 So did Kamala.

01:19:11.880 So did Joe Biden.

01:19:12.860 It's just it was their favorite theme.

01:19:15.140 And now, yes, it'll be in the news for a while here.

01:19:18.500 And then it will stop because people have lives to live.

01:19:21.320 I just don't think anyone other than the left is obsessing over J6.

01:19:26.040 But but let me ask you this as a lawyer.

01:19:27.780 The fact that she came out and said this is like Pearl Harbor and 9-11, doesn't that convict

01:19:34.240 them in the court of public opinion and in D.C.

01:19:38.440 so that they can't even get fair trials?

01:19:41.120 That was the goal, right?

01:19:42.520 That was the goal, completely antithetical to the duties of a prosecutor, a public figure

01:19:47.060 who shouldn't be doing that.

01:19:48.480 But, you know, we saw that repeatedly when it came to anything, not just Trump, but on

01:19:51.860 the right.

01:19:52.340 Like they're they're happy to weigh in and go with guilt before before anything's proven.

01:19:58.540 They just don't like it when it's done to their side.

01:20:00.780 I mean, what we've been seeing already is a media that remains unhinged, you know, like

01:20:05.300 CNN with the it was a Heil Hitler thing with Elon.

01:20:08.160 We put together just a random mashup of some of the media coverage of Trump's first day.

01:20:13.540 You'll be shocked to see it's it's not measured.

01:20:15.960 It's just for your entertainment.

01:20:18.200 Take a look.

01:20:19.820 We just witnessed the first inauguration of a convicted felon.

01:20:24.120 Donald Trump has been president for a grand total of 11 hours, and he wasted no time imposing

01:20:29.080 his will on American government.

01:20:30.760 It is remarkable that he said in his inaugural address that I was saved by God, not talking

01:20:36.460 about personal redemption in terms of his religious experience as a private individual.

01:20:41.200 To claim that God sent you is something that we don't expect in political life.

01:20:46.440 We expect it in other parts of life, maybe.

01:20:48.520 The obsession of Trump's rhetoric is always a theme of national decline.

01:20:52.340 It's a little like a cult leader who keeps predicting different days for the end of the

01:20:57.460 world.

01:20:57.680 This was the inauguration of the oligarchs.

01:21:00.180 He has he has decided to make good on his promise to be a dictator on day one.

01:21:04.540 I don't really love that.

01:21:05.380 Everybody's just participating in this farce.

01:21:07.680 The cruelty is the point of this coming administration.

01:21:10.700 So it is very hard for me to look at this spectacle of the takeover of the United States.

01:21:20.540 MSNBC having themselves a normal one, Sasha.

01:21:22.700 Oh, my God, I don't understand.

01:21:26.460 I look at that and I just feel sadness because I feel like how they don't have a chance.

01:21:32.020 You know, we don't have a chance.

01:21:33.980 If this is our media, we don't have a chance.

01:21:36.840 It's the same thing.

01:21:37.860 It's been for the last.

01:21:40.680 What has it been?

01:21:41.560 Eight years of this by now.

01:21:43.020 Are they ever going to give us a break and say, we're going to, you know, just we're

01:21:47.540 going to stop all this hysteria and we're going to kind of get back to America the way

01:21:51.900 that we all remember it as a normal country.

01:21:55.980 Do you?

01:21:56.860 Yeah, I don't.

01:21:58.460 Do you think anybody in L.A.

01:22:00.800 is going to learn this lesson, you know, in the wake of the collapse there, the fires

01:22:04.480 and the Democrat policies being an ineptitude being outed?

01:22:09.480 No, no, I don't because they don't have a chance.

01:22:13.260 It's it's so hard to explain to people.

01:22:15.420 And when I tried, when I said, look, I was in a bubble and you're in a bubble, too, like

01:22:19.480 I just sound insane to them.

01:22:21.680 They don't understand that your whole worldview is shaped by those around you, by your social

01:22:26.340 media algorithms, by the media that you consume.

01:22:29.860 And so to you, that's normal.

01:22:31.840 Right.

01:22:32.120 So imagine being one of these people that thought that Trump was Hitler.

01:22:37.080 And, you know, the idea that he was ever Hitler is absurd.

01:22:42.740 But how does it how does a country survive?

01:22:45.400 How does a culture survive?

01:22:46.660 How does Hollywood survive?

01:22:47.820 How did the Democrats survive being that disconnected from reality?

01:22:53.120 And how do we get back to a place where, you know, that's the thing about the right is

01:22:57.500 they have their problems, but there's not a delusion.

01:23:00.400 There's not as much delusional thinking because there are so many people who are allowed to

01:23:05.300 dissent.

01:23:06.500 You know, you're one of them.

01:23:07.660 You won't hold back if you're bad about something.

01:23:10.560 You know, you don't just say, oh, I'm going to stay loyal to Trump or loyal to whatever.

01:23:14.640 And that's that exists on the right.

01:23:16.220 It doesn't exist on the left.

01:23:17.940 Not anymore.

01:23:18.420 True.

01:23:18.900 True.

01:23:20.000 You know, it's funny because at the inauguration, you saw like Snoop Dogg.

01:23:24.400 He was there after he said Trump was a white supremacist.

01:23:29.300 He'd been ripping Trump and MAGA a new one just as recently as like a year, a year and

01:23:34.700 a half ago.

01:23:36.040 And he's seen the light.

01:23:37.960 He played at the crypto ball, which was the David Sachs ball.

01:23:42.200 He's the new crypto czar.

01:23:43.460 He played and celebrated Trump.

01:23:45.720 I saw Vince Vaughn was at the starlight ball.

01:23:49.620 Like he I don't I don't remember him ever ripping on Trump, but that's kind of an act

01:23:53.640 of courage for someone as mainstream.

01:23:55.860 Right.

01:23:56.360 As it's like John Voight was at the Trump rally with me.

01:23:59.260 He's an open conservative.

01:24:00.400 He's been very unabashed about his politics for a long time.

01:24:03.680 I don't know.

01:24:04.080 Vince Vaughn's not really in that category, but he was there.

01:24:06.560 Carrie Underwood playing.

01:24:08.020 That was an act of courage, too.

01:24:09.380 Like, I definitely think that the dam has broken, at least for the strongest Hollywood

01:24:15.680 types to be able to say they're Republican or they like Trump or they're open minded

01:24:20.720 to him.

01:24:22.080 Right.

01:24:22.740 Well, what they have is a collapsed empire.

01:24:25.340 And so it's it's it reminds me a little bit and people are going to be horrified by this.

01:24:29.960 And I apologize in advance.

01:24:31.540 Please don't splash it all over social media.

01:24:33.360 I guess too late, but it reminds me of the South after the Civil War, because it was

01:24:39.720 kind of like they refused to accept defeat.

01:24:41.880 They held on to the past, but it didn't matter because the world moved on without them.

01:24:48.360 And that's what's happening now.

01:24:49.520 The world is just moving on without the left.

01:24:53.880 And I think that a lot of people, especially black men, are really into Trump.

01:24:58.320 You know, he's cool now.

01:24:59.880 And so I feel like they they want to be in the cool side.

01:25:04.240 You know, they want to be on the masculine side.

01:25:06.020 That's why all the the athletes were doing the Trump dance.

01:25:09.460 And on TikTok, it's a whole different vibe because Trump is cool on TikTok.

01:25:14.020 Right.

01:25:14.340 You have his granddaughter, Kai Trump.

01:25:16.260 She's huge.

01:25:16.900 She's an influencer now.

01:25:18.240 Her her little video on Trump, like, got like a million views in like 15 minutes or something

01:25:23.980 like that.

01:25:24.520 She's hugely popular.

01:25:25.960 He's popular with the young.

01:25:27.500 He's cool.

01:25:28.420 Like they wear MAGA hats, as you pointed out, that to be cool.

01:25:31.680 Right.

01:25:32.020 I'm going to walk around town in my MAGA hat because I feel rebellious and edgy.

01:25:35.620 You know, yeah.

01:25:36.660 So and I feel sad for the left.

01:25:39.080 I feel sad that they're still stuck.

01:25:40.500 I feel sad that that people in Hollywood feel like they have to fear me the way that

01:25:43.740 they do.

01:25:44.860 Like, get over yourself.

01:25:46.020 They're still getting together for their white dudes for Harris meetings.

01:25:48.500 Like, how pathetic.

01:25:51.120 I'm so sad.

01:25:52.540 I lost my head.

01:25:54.320 Do they know?

01:25:55.140 I wonder if they know that they're viewed as pathetic.

01:25:57.960 Like, it's talk about being uncool.

01:26:01.260 It's not just the guys either.

01:26:02.560 You see these videos all over social media of like these young, hot women with like Trump

01:26:08.500 bikinis, the MAGA bikinis, like dancing.

01:26:11.060 Oh my God, I know.

01:26:11.960 Right?

01:26:12.440 It's just a totally, I hate that term, vibe shift.

01:26:15.260 But it is one.

01:26:16.800 It is one, especially on TikTok.

01:26:18.760 If you're a hot female, you want to be MAGA, right?

01:26:21.840 You're, that's where the boys are, right?

01:26:23.960 You're not.

01:26:24.420 Yes.

01:26:24.780 And they're hot dudes.

01:26:26.400 Hot dudes.

01:26:27.220 Hot dudes for Trump.

01:26:32.080 Instead of white dudes for Harris.

01:26:33.560 But so like, just to add, to circle it back, which is that, you know, I get it about January

01:26:40.420 6th.

01:26:41.000 I understand, but I also see the bigger picture.

01:26:43.160 I see what they've all been through.

01:26:44.260 I see that they've been treated like second class citizens for so long.

01:26:47.180 And somehow we forgave all the people who lost their minds in the summer of 2020, but

01:26:51.900 we can't forgive them.

01:26:54.100 And that's because it's race related for them.

01:26:56.320 They see the Trump people as white and the protesters as black, and they see it all defined

01:27:01.600 with their reversed hierarchy, which, you know, is what woke is, wokeism or whatever

01:27:06.400 you want to call it.

01:27:07.980 But, but that's, but that's how the courts saw it too.

01:27:12.480 And to me, that's wrong.

01:27:13.940 I don't know anything about the law, but it seems to me that that's intent and they can't,

01:27:18.440 they can't know intent.

01:27:20.400 Right?

01:27:21.000 Well, I mean, my, my feeling on it is, okay, maybe, maybe it was intent.

01:27:26.080 Maybe they proved it in an individual case here or there.

01:27:28.580 Maybe they didn't.

01:27:29.720 We didn't, we'll never know on the BLM rioters because they didn't charge them.

01:27:34.080 They didn't charge the worst of the worst.

01:27:35.260 I mean, Antifa was getting away with, I mean, violent assaults of civilians, cops, and it

01:27:42.000 wasn't just Antifa.

01:27:43.200 It was regular leftists turn after turn.

01:27:46.340 And we'll never know how the courts would have handled them.

01:27:48.420 For the most part, if anybody got arrested, they got let right out and then paid reparation

01:27:52.620 damages by their cities who are apologizing to them for arresting them.

01:27:56.240 At first, let's hope to spare me.

01:27:57.540 I don't, I don't feel bad at all.

01:27:59.660 I really don't.

01:28:00.260 I have to say, I don't have one degree of horror at the J6 pardons.

01:28:04.880 Not one.

01:28:05.780 Like if I'd been in charge, I probably wouldn't have pardoned the most violent, but I don't

01:28:10.540 care.

01:28:10.880 I'm not in the least worked up about the fact that they got commutations.

01:28:13.940 Um, I feel like let's move on until you're going to go back and charge all those BLMers

01:28:18.380 spare.

01:28:19.580 No, exactly.

01:28:21.320 And, um, just really quickly, I wanted to tell you this story that I was driving, I started

01:28:25.300 driving across country in like 2020 and I got pulled over by a cop in like, I don't know,

01:28:30.740 Illinois or something.

01:28:31.960 And, um, and it was right during the protests and stuff.

01:28:35.720 And he pulled me over and I looked at him and I said, how are you doing?

01:28:39.380 How's it going?

01:28:40.080 And he said, not good.

01:28:43.000 And he started to tear up.

01:28:44.700 And I, I just thought the pain we've caused over our madness and our hysteria.

01:28:51.620 And now people would say, well, at least he has his life and he's not George Floyd and

01:28:55.580 he's not killed or whatever.

01:28:56.700 But this was a man who was, you know, working as a law enforcement officer who, who said that

01:29:03.040 all of his friends were retiring, leaving the force.

01:29:05.940 They all felt terrible because all of America thought they were racists.

01:29:10.260 And we all went along with this and we're expected to go along with it for months and

01:29:13.900 months.

01:29:14.240 And then the Democrats turn around and say, oh, you know, we're the side that cares about

01:29:18.160 cops.

01:29:19.280 No, you're not, you know, you never were.

01:29:22.460 You're the side that said cops were systemically racist, defund the police.

01:29:26.420 That's who you are.

01:29:28.260 Yeah.

01:29:29.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:30.220 Well, all right.

01:29:30.940 I, um, I want to end with this.

01:29:33.840 I have something that I think will be of comfort to you as a Californian.

01:29:37.500 And that is Kamala Harris is gone, but she's not forgotten.

01:29:40.320 And she went out to the LA wildfires as her first post vice presidency act.

01:29:45.720 And I mean, she really, she had a lovely profundity for those of you out there.

01:29:50.060 I think this is really going to buoy your mood, Sasha.

01:29:52.800 Just take a listen, take a listen.

01:29:54.400 Strangers who in the face of that stranger, they see a neighbor.

01:30:00.000 Um, these are folks who understand the, the strength and the value of community, which

01:30:05.760 is everyone coming together with a shared sense of purpose and identity as a community

01:30:11.060 of people.

01:30:13.620 What is she talking about?

01:30:16.280 Nobody knows.

01:30:17.080 What is she talking about?

01:30:21.580 It's amazing.

01:30:22.920 At least she's consistent.

01:30:24.260 We can give her that.

01:30:26.260 No, that's so, I don't understand what her play is here.

01:30:30.220 She, she's actually going to make a run for into it.

01:30:32.320 Please make a run for it.

01:30:34.300 28, please do it.

01:30:35.960 Do it.

01:30:36.320 Well, at the presidential level, I mean, I worry for you Californians because if she ran

01:30:39.800 out there, I suppose it's possible she could win as a governor of California, given how

01:30:43.580 blue it is, but the Kamala Harris is never going to be president of the United States.

01:30:47.840 Never.

01:30:48.840 I don't even think she can make governor because if she does run, someone will run against

01:30:52.140 her and they will beat her.

01:30:53.600 She's just not, I'm sorry.

01:30:55.280 She could be a prosecutor, whatever.

01:30:57.540 She can't be politician.

01:31:00.080 No, she's, she's proven that time and time again.

01:31:04.000 Okay.

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01:31:19.220 Thanks so much for being here, Sasha.

01:31:20.980 Thank you so much for having me, Megan.

01:31:22.860 Thank you.

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01:33:33.760 Wanted to get to that Justin Baldoni news before we go.

01:33:37.140 Uh, as you know, we had Brian Friedman, his lawyer on the show, also my own personal attorney

01:33:42.100 to talk about Justin's defense.

01:33:44.280 And this thing is getting even more bizarre.

01:33:47.080 So you may remember that one of the key allegations in her complaint against Justin Baldoni was as

01:33:53.680 follows.

01:33:54.140 Okay.

01:33:54.620 From paragraph 48 of her complaint.

01:33:56.580 She writes on another occasion, Mr. Baldoni and Ms. Lively were filming a slow dance scene

01:34:00.960 for a montage in which no sound was recorded.

01:34:04.340 Mr. Baldoni chose to let the camera roll and have them perform the scene, but did not act

01:34:09.220 in character as Ryle.

01:34:10.900 Instead, he spoke to Ms. Lively out of character as himself.

01:34:14.480 At one point he leaned forward and slowly dragged his lips from her ear and down her neck.

01:34:22.720 As he said, it smells so good.

01:34:25.820 None of this was remotely in character or based on any dialogue in the script and nothing needed

01:34:30.300 to be said because again, there was no sound.

01:34:33.360 Mr. Baldoni was caressing Ms. Lively with his mouth in a way that had nothing to do with

01:34:38.280 their roles.

01:34:39.000 When Ms. Lively later objected to this behavior, Mr. Baldoni's response was, I'm not even attracted

01:34:44.000 to you.

01:34:45.060 Well, guess what?

01:34:46.340 TMZ has gotten its hands on that video and you can hear Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni

01:34:52.120 interacting as themselves, knowing that this is all on video and that this is going to

01:34:56.920 be used to create this dance scene and no such moment is shown.

01:35:02.760 Just, just watch it.

01:35:04.540 Watch it.

01:35:04.880 And Emily and I have like, we have these moments where we're literally for, we've done it for

01:35:18.400 like five minutes.

01:35:20.260 It's like, I think you would find it terrifying.

01:35:23.320 They're talking about their spouses.

01:35:24.320 We just literally do each other.

01:35:25.380 And like time stops.

01:35:26.520 And like time stops.

01:35:27.960 But like, it's, that's just how it's been for us from the beginning.

01:35:31.000 No, we're like, oh my God, there's not enough time to take a talk.

01:35:33.220 Oh.

01:35:33.540 And they score again.

01:35:34.600 Yeah.

01:35:34.920 I guess.

01:35:35.960 Oh my God, I forgot to tell you something else.

01:35:38.880 Oh, I think that's cute.

01:35:40.220 You guys are really cute.

01:35:41.520 I think it's more than cute.

01:35:45.820 You're acting like lovers.

01:35:47.440 You're acting like noses.

01:35:48.880 And my nose is so big.

01:35:50.360 Yes.

01:35:51.220 I was hoping that we could address this.

01:35:53.700 It's not too late.

01:35:55.180 Just got to shut down.

01:35:56.340 We've got to call an insurance month and just deal with that.

01:35:58.880 Yeah.

01:35:59.000 And then, um.

01:35:59.900 Deal with your big nose.

01:36:01.040 Cut.

01:36:01.480 Just kidding.

01:36:04.400 Okay, there.

01:36:05.200 Okay, so he puts his, he puts his like head in her neck.

01:36:11.460 Am I getting beard on you today?

01:36:14.060 And says, am I getting beard on you?

01:36:15.480 Well, it's not bad.

01:36:19.400 It's my body makeup.

01:36:22.700 Right.

01:36:23.260 And then says, smells good.

01:36:24.620 And she says, it's my body makeup.

01:36:26.340 That's her big harassment moment.

01:36:29.200 They are playfully acting for the camera, trying to make it look like two lovers, two people in a relationship are dancing with one another.

01:36:39.740 She's giggling.

01:36:40.880 She's holding his hands.

01:36:41.880 They're in, they are not speaking as their characters because the sound was not going to be used in the film.

01:36:48.960 But they are in character in the way, obviously, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni are not choosing to hold hands and nuzzle each other and act and behave as lovers in front of this room full of people.

01:37:00.300 They're doing that because they're doing that because they are in character and they are trying to make it look for the camera like they love each other.

01:37:08.460 She's completely flirtatious with him.

01:37:11.080 He is flirtatious back.

01:37:12.980 But they're talking about their spouses and it's all in good fun.

01:37:16.920 She laughs.

01:37:19.100 She laughs and says, oh, did you get beard on me?

01:37:23.980 She doesn't say, oh, my God, you nuzzled me and said that I smell good.

01:37:29.100 That this is what she's done throughout.

01:37:32.540 She said he came in my trailer while I was breastfeeding.

01:37:35.520 Well, then he produced the text messages showing her saying I'm breastfeeding.

01:37:39.240 Come on over.

01:37:39.860 So she like time and time again, she accuses him of doing something, which then when you hear the full context is an absolute nothing burger.

01:37:49.240 She accused his producing partner of showing her pornography.

01:37:53.700 Then they produced in his lawsuit against her a picture of the alleged pornography.

01:37:58.420 And it was a beautiful, artistic, absolutely non pornographic shot of his business partner and his wife with their newborn baby in a bathtub after a bathtub birth.

01:38:09.220 Both an at home birth holding one another.

01:38:11.940 You can't see any body parts.

01:38:13.300 You can just see that two people clearly are in a bathtub holding their baby.

01:38:17.000 Just here's yet another one.

01:38:18.460 She wants us to believe this is actionable harassment.

01:38:21.700 What we just witnessed there.

01:38:23.560 You tell me whether that's what that looks like to you.

01:38:26.600 Well, so now I said that they had written to the human rights office in California.

01:38:32.340 Let me correct that.

01:38:33.020 It's to the United States District Court in the Southern District of New York where she filed her lawsuit against him.

01:38:39.220 Um, there's cross lawsuits by each saying this is all retaliatory.

01:38:43.840 All of his leaks to the media are retaliatory and asking the court to shut him and Brian Friedman up saying this must be shut down because they're trying to try this case in the media.

01:38:56.000 The only reason this whole thing got started before she filed the lawsuit, she just went to the California human rights office is because she clearly cooperated with the New York Times to leak the whole thing.

01:39:07.200 Indeed, that's Brian argues the reason she went and filed the complaint with the human rights division so that she could then leak it to the Times.

01:39:13.620 So she could start to rehabilitate her reputation, which got smeared because she turned out to be not a very nice person in the videos released last summer.

01:39:21.700 Now that she's had her shot against him and she severely damaged him with that New York Times piece and this complaint, which he managed to get leaked.

01:39:30.520 Now she wants a complete gag order.

01:39:33.100 Now he needs to be shut down to protect her.

01:39:35.980 This is very unfair to poor Blake.

01:39:38.660 Why should Justin be able to release snippets to the media without the full context?

01:39:45.220 That's what she said.

01:39:45.860 That's what she did.

01:39:48.240 She alleged she alleges that she's a me too victim there.

01:39:51.880 That's absurd.

01:39:53.760 And I can tell you that as somebody who's not a Hollywood actress, notwithstanding my very short stint in that cartoon, Bertram.

01:40:01.020 But I'm just saying this person is not an honest broker.

01:40:04.960 I believe her less than ever.

01:40:07.400 I actually disbelieve her fully now and they should not be gagged.

01:40:12.000 I will happily participate in releasing any further leaks that they have because the truth should be out there.

01:40:19.360 What does she have to fear if she's telling the truth?

01:40:24.500 That's it for today.

01:40:25.980 We will see you tomorrow when the gang from Ruthless will join us and we will get neck deep into the latest smears against Pete Hegseth.

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01:40:34.780 I'm trying to stop him.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 22, 2025

Trump Ends DEI, 1⧸6 Pardons Media Meltdown, and Bombshell New Blake Lively Video, with Nicole Shanahan and Sasha Stone ｜ Ep. 988

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