The Megyn Kelly Show - May 13, 2025


Trump Fights Big Pharma with Drug Plan, China Tariffs Pause, American Hostage Free: AM Update 5⧸13


Episode Stats

Length

17 minutes

Words per Minute

165.48805

Word Count

2,972

Sentence Count

263

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

Starting today, the United States will no longer subsidize the health care of foreign countries. President Trump signs an executive order he says will be one of the most impactful orders ever signed, aimed at reducing drug prices, some up to 80% for American consumers.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Good morning, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. It's Tuesday, May 13th, 2025, and this is your AM
00:00:08.540 Update. Starting today, the United States will no longer subsidize the health care of foreign
00:00:13.380 countries. President Trump signs an executive order he says will be one of the most impactful
00:00:18.040 orders ever signed, aimed at reducing drug prices, some up to 80 percent for American consumers.
00:00:25.280 I think it's going to be fantastic for China. I think it's going to be fantastic for us.
00:00:29.420 The Trump trade team announcing a temporary deal with China, reducing reciprocal tariffs for 90
00:00:35.480 days as both sides work toward a new trade agreement. New details on the Qatari government's
00:00:41.180 lavish gift to the Trump White House come into focus as President Trump weighs in. And the last
00:00:47.240 known living American hostage released from Hamas custody. All that and more coming up in just a
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00:02:15.720 President Trump on Monday signing an executive order he called, quote, one of the most important
00:02:20.300 and impactful I have ever issued. The order is seeking to lower prescription drug prices by as much
00:02:25.980 as 80%, primarily by tying U.S. prices to those paid for the same drugs in other developed countries,
00:02:33.140 a fundamental change to how the U.S. negotiates drug prices. The U.S. has less than
00:02:38.180 5% of the world's population, yet it generates around three-quarters of global pharmaceutical
00:02:44.160 profits. Astronomically high drug prices consistently sparking bipartisan outrage among U.S. lawmakers,
00:02:51.440 even as Democrats and Republicans historically clashed over how to fix it. American consumers pay
00:02:57.700 many times over what people in other countries pay for the same drug made in the same factory.
00:03:02.520 For example, American website GoodRx.com ranges a twin pack of EpiPens from $650 to $750 without
00:03:12.460 insurance versus an online U.K. pharmacy listing the same two-pack at $112. Yahoo Finance reporting
00:03:20.780 weight loss drug Wegovi costs about $1,300 in the U.S. compared to $140 in Germany. President Trump
00:03:29.360 saying the U.S. will no longer accept the status quo. Starting today, the United States will no longer
00:03:34.980 subsidize the health care of foreign countries and will no longer tolerate profiteering and price
00:03:40.180 gouging from big pharma. But again, it was really the countries that forced big pharma to do things
00:03:46.900 that frankly, I'm not sure they really felt comfortable doing. For years, pharmaceutical and
00:03:52.020 drug companies have said that research and development costs were what they are. And for no reason
00:03:57.420 whatsoever, they had to be borne by America alone. Whatever the lowest price paid for a drug in
00:04:03.260 other developed countries, that is the price that Americans will pay. Pharma stocks actually rising
00:04:08.220 in response to the announcement as the Trump administration also assigns some of the blame
00:04:12.720 for high U.S. prices on other countries for forcing unfairly low prices in their markets,
00:04:18.700 sending the drug manufacturers to recoup costs from Americans. The president specifically naming the
00:04:24.260 EU as one of the worst offenders. Progressive news site Vox breaks down how the U.S. system works
00:04:29.900 compared to most other developed countries. In the U.K., the government buys the stock of medicine
00:04:35.040 for the country. That means they're usually able to get a lower rate, kind of like a bulk discount.
00:04:40.220 In almost every developed country besides the U.S., this is what the system looks like. Safety evaluation,
00:04:46.440 assessment of whether the country needs it, price negotiations sold to patients.
00:04:50.200 Now let's look at the system in the United States. First, the drug is evaluated for safety,
00:04:56.040 but that's it. If it's safe, they can sell it. End of story. Drugs are sold by the drug companies
00:05:01.040 to patients, usually through insurance. Regulated drug markets tend to make drugs more affordable,
00:05:06.200 but some drugs are completely unavailable. And while the U.S. has more drugs technically available,
00:05:11.580 they're often too expensive to actually afford. For decades, the prevailing logic in U.S.
00:05:16.380 health care held that high drug prices were the price of innovation. The steep costs for American
00:05:21.720 consumers were seen as an unfortunate but necessary side effect, with limited political will to change
00:05:27.560 the system until now. From the executive order, quote, drug manufacturers, rather than seeking to
00:05:33.980 equalize evident price discrimination, agree to other countries' demands for low prices and
00:05:39.200 simultaneously fight against the ability for public and private payers in the U.S. to negotiate the best
00:05:45.220 prices for patients. The inflated prices in the United States fuel global innovation, while foreign
00:05:50.980 health systems get a free ride. NIH head Dr. Jay Bhattacharya further elaborating from the Oval.
00:05:57.460 What we're going to do is make sure that those prices become much closer to equal, like a
00:06:03.160 competitive market you'd expect. You may think of it as somehow it's like it's going after drug
00:06:07.420 companies. Actually, it's helping drug companies. Because what we're also going to do with this order,
00:06:11.760 what President Trump has done with this order, is he's said to European governments, look, if you
00:06:17.860 are taking advantage of the drug companies by forcing them to charge very, very low prices,
00:06:22.500 we're going to defend American drug companies in Europe. At the same time, we're standing up for the
00:06:29.060 American consumer who's been paying far too high prices for far too long. Dr. Oz, head of Medicare and
00:06:34.760 Medicaid, comparing the strategy to President Trump's strategy with NATO. Other countries will have to pay a
00:06:40.360 little more, but the U.S. will get a long needed and deserved break. Barron's Magazine, referring to
00:06:46.060 the order as a blessing in disguise for pharma companies, saying it is, quote, fundamentally
00:06:50.880 restructuring the U.S. drug industry in a way that hurts pharmacy benefit managers. Pharmacy benefit
00:06:57.320 managers are middlemen in the prescription drug supply chain, managing which drugs are covered under
00:07:02.620 insurance, how much they cost, and what patients will pay. President Trump saying this order will provide
00:07:08.360 a workaround to those managers who are also disliked by big pharma. We're going to totally
00:07:13.340 cut out the famous middlemen. We're going to cut out the middlemen and facilitate the direct sale of
00:07:18.080 drugs at the most favored nation price directly to the American citizen. The order provides a 30-day
00:07:24.100 window for the drug companies to begin negotiating with HHS. If Secretary Kennedy does not feel adequate
00:07:29.940 progress has been made on negotiations to reduce prices within that time, the executive order says the
00:07:35.300 secretary may then simply impose something called most favored nation pricing, which means using the
00:07:41.320 regulatory process to tie U.S. prices to the lowest price paid by any major developed country. Among other
00:07:47.980 actions in the order, it directs the FDA to look into increasing drug exports from other countries and
00:07:53.920 directs the DOJ and Federal Trade Commission to crack down on anti-competitive actions forcing artificially
00:08:00.460 high prices. President Trump attempted a similar, though less expansive, executive order in his first
00:08:06.360 administration, and it was blocked by a court as a usurpation of Congress's power. We'll see if Big Pharma
00:08:12.700 files a similar legal challenge here. On Sunday, the Trump administration announcing a deal after trade
00:08:19.080 negotiations with China. Over the weekend, the U.S. team, headed by Treasury Secretary Scott Besant, meeting face-to-face
00:08:25.360 with Chinese negotiators, agreeing to a 90-day pause on the reciprocal tariffs beginning this Wednesday.
00:08:31.760 Both nations agreeing to cut tariffs by 115 percent, China lowering tariffs on U.S. goods to 10 percent,
00:08:38.940 the U.S. lowering tariffs on Chinese goods to 30 percent. That's 10 percent plus a 20 percent tariff
00:08:45.300 to message to the Chinese that we are serious about stopping the fentanyl they're sending here,
00:08:50.320 typically via Mexican cartels. Ongoing talks will focus on opening Chinese markets to American-made
00:08:57.140 goods and on cooperation in the war against fentanyl, a war the Chinese have been waging against
00:09:02.960 us. President Trump on Monday confirming that higher tariffs will remain in place for Chinese imports
00:09:08.520 in key national security sectors like cars, steel, and aluminum. Secretary Besant framing the goal this
00:09:15.280 way, open markets for U.S. exports, and bring home manufacturing for critical materials.
00:09:21.300 We do not want a generalized decoupling from China, but what we do want is a decoupling for strategic
00:09:28.800 necessities, which we were unable to obtain during COVID, and we realized that efficient supply chains
00:09:36.720 were not resilient supply chains. So we are going to create our own, protect our steel industry,
00:09:43.960 the work on critical medicines, on semiconductors. So the reciprocal tariffs have nothing to do with
00:09:51.760 the specific industry tariffs. Markets ripping in response to the announcement, the Dow Jones,
00:09:57.500 NASDAQ, and S&P 500 each shooting straight up. President Trump reacting positively to this first
00:10:04.060 phase of negotiations from the Oval. The talks in Geneva were very friendly. The relationship is very
00:10:09.720 good. We're not looking to hurt China. China was being hurt very badly. They were closing up
00:10:15.280 factories. They were having a lot of unrest. And they were very happy to be able to do something
00:10:20.840 with us. The relationship is very, very good. Because if you think about it, we opened up our country to
00:10:26.000 China. They come, we don't, I mean, they have very few restrictions. And they didn't open their country
00:10:31.460 to us. Never made sense to me. It's not fair. And they've agreed to open China, fully open China.
00:10:37.180 I think it's going to be fantastic for China. I think it's going to be fantastic for us.
00:10:41.680 China will also suspend and remove all of its non-monetary barriers. They've agreed to do that.
00:10:47.540 President Trump set to speak with Chinese President Xi Jinping later this week.
00:10:52.120 Coming up, President Trump slams ABC's reporting on the $400 million luxury jet the Qatari government
00:10:58.360 is preparing to gift our government. And the last living American hostage is released from Hamas custody
00:11:05.060 as President Trump promises to keep working for the release of the deceased Americans still held
00:11:11.280 in Gaza.
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00:12:12.720 President Trump on Monday offering new details on plans to accept a luxury Boeing 747 dubbed a palace
00:12:19.560 in the sky from the Qatari government following backlash, including from several Republicans who say
00:12:25.640 the gift smacks of impropriety. Mr. Trump responding at a press conference yesterday.
00:12:30.480 Mr. President, what do you say to people who view that luxury jet as a personal gift to you? Why
00:12:35.820 not leave it behind? You're ABC fake news, right? It's only ABC. Well, a few of you would. Let me tell
00:12:42.240 you, you should be embarrassed asking that question. They're giving us a free jet. I could say, no,
00:12:49.000 no, no, don't give us. I want to pay you a billion or 400 million or whatever it is.
00:12:53.760 Or I could say, thank you very much. You know, there was an old golfer named Sam Snead. Did you
00:13:00.420 ever hear him? He won 82 tournaments. He was a great golfer. And he had a motto. When they give
00:13:05.280 you a putt, you say, thank you very much. You pick up your ball and you walk to the next hole. A lot of
00:13:10.800 people are stupid. They say, no, no, I insist on putting it. Then they putt it and they miss it.
00:13:15.480 And their partner gets angry at him. Have you ever been given a gift worth millions of dollars
00:13:21.540 and did not receive it? It's not a gift to me. It's a gift to the Department of Defense.
00:13:25.980 The president also clarifying that the plane will not be put to personal use after he leaves office.
00:13:31.640 Do you plan to use the plane after you leave office? No, I don't. No, it would go directly
00:13:36.900 to the library after I leave office. I wouldn't be using it, no. That could help the president's
00:13:42.580 argument that this was not a gift to him personally, even if it would eventually wind up in the Trump
00:13:48.020 presidential library, helping him to potentially avoid constitutional muster. Some critics on the
00:13:54.100 right still feel Qatar is too questionable a friend to accept a $400 million plane from.
00:14:02.040 The last known living U.S. hostage held by Hamas, Idhan Alexander, released on Monday after more than 19
00:14:08.520 months in the custody of the terrorist organization. The 21-year-old transferred from Hamas to the Red
00:14:14.200 Cross to Israeli Special Forces, where he was then brought back into Israel for medical evaluation.
00:14:20.260 Though born in Tel Aviv, Mr. Alexander was raised in New Jersey, joining the Israeli Defense Forces
00:14:25.200 straight out of high school. He was captured by Hamas at his military base during the October 7th
00:14:30.440 attack. On Sunday, the Alexander family releasing this statement, quote,
00:14:34.480 Today, on Mother's Day, we received the greatest gift imaginable, news that our beautiful son,
00:14:40.380 Idhan, is returning home after 583 days in captivity in Gaza. We express our deepest gratitude to President
00:14:47.800 Trump, Steve Witkoff, and the U.S. administration for their tireless work to make this happen.
00:14:53.620 The moment here when Mr. Alexander's mother was able to speak to her son by phone for the first time.
00:14:59.600 Oh my God, Idhan! I love you, and I'm going to see you, like, soon. Very soon.
00:15:12.640 En route home to a tearful family reunion, Idhan held up a sign on board the plane reading,
00:15:18.180 Thank you, President Trump. Speaking from the Oval, President Trump saying the U.S. will work to
00:15:23.220 recover the bodies of deceased Americans still held in Gaza.
00:15:26.700 We hope that we're going to have other hostages released, too. When I met with the hostages three
00:15:32.260 weeks ago, and I said, how many are there? They said, 59. I said, that's a lot. They said, 59.
00:15:37.800 But then they said, they followed that up by saying 59, of which 24 are living, the rest are dead.
00:15:43.120 I have a mother that calls me, but came up to me when I first met her, and she said, sir, please,
00:15:49.740 please get my son out. He's dead, but they have his body. And I asked her about that,
00:15:55.520 and it's as though he were alive. The level of wanting that body back is the same. It couldn't
00:16:03.480 be anymore, as though he were alive. So, you know, getting the bodies back is very important.
00:16:10.100 U.S. officials say the bodies of four Americans are still being held by Hamas.
00:16:14.640 President Trump is offering to meet with Mr. Alexander in Qatar later this week
00:16:18.560 during his Middle East trip, if Mr. Alexander is feeling up to it.
00:16:24.700 Peruvian fans of Robert Prevost, now better known as Pope Leo XIV, reacting like fans at a World Cup
00:16:31.920 championship as they heard their former priest's name announced as the new pontiff.
00:16:36.740 Pope Leo was bishop in the diocese of Chiclayo, Peru, from 2015 to 2023. This video of seminarians
00:16:55.120 within the diocese posted by SemiFabian24 on TikTok. Clearly, Leo left an impression.
00:17:02.060 And that'll do it for your AM update. I'm Megan Kelly. Join me back here for The Megan Kelly Show,
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