The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Floats America Taking Over Gaza, Major Girls' Sports Executive Order, and Celebrating Episode 1,000, with The Fifth Column

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's our 1,000th episode today,

00:00:18.740 which is a hard word to say, 1,000th episode today. Thanks to all of you. We made it here.

00:00:24.680 I, I've just found out here's Doug Brunt. My husband is with me and brought over some champagne.

00:00:30.400 This is all news to me because I came over to do the show and did not know that Doug Brunt was going

00:00:36.140 to be here or that anything was, do you have something you want to break here, honey, about

00:00:40.760 our 1,000th episode? Well, it is hard. I was just going to say happy 1,000. It's much easier to say

00:00:45.060 it that way. A little champagne to celebrate. That's awesome. This is the Doug Brunt way,

00:00:49.220 you know, and you listen to his podcast, which is dedicated with Doug Brunt, where he interviews

00:00:52.460 all the top authors of the world. He mixes a cocktail. Now he doesn't have to mix this because

00:00:57.920 it's in a champagne bottle. What kind of champagne is that? This is the, uh, Louis Rotor. This is the,

00:01:03.480 uh, the same maker of Cristal. This is not Cristal. Oh, that's fine. We'll, we'll have that on 2000.

00:01:10.120 Yeah. On our 2,000th. Well, we had a little celebration this morning. The kids were all fired

00:01:14.440 up for you. They did. Oh my gosh. I came down the stairs tonight. Yay. Into the mic. And, uh,

00:01:19.100 they had gotten, we'll put it on the board, um, all these balloons that read 1,000, 1, 0, 0, 0 in

00:01:26.720 pink. Huge, huge balloons. I'm, I'm going to tell you the truth. I forgot that today was our 1,000th

00:01:33.380 episode. Abby and I did not. We've been planning. Is that how you remember? Oh yeah. There's the

00:01:38.720 picture. Uh, you can see Thatcher's legs behind that one piece of it, but what a nice thing to wake

00:01:45.260 up to. Duggar, cheers. Cheers, honey. Happy 1,000. Hey, thank you. And thanks to all of you,

00:01:50.880 my team and our audience for making this happen. Hold on. I get a drink or it's bad luck.

00:01:57.900 It's amazing to think back to more than four years ago, a little room, no video. It was audio only.

00:02:03.560 Now I didn't know that we were going to do this. Otherwise I would have shot the team some elements.

00:02:06.660 Maybe we'll drop them in later, but you remember when we launched this podcast, we were in New York

00:02:12.080 and we were in the kids playroom in a little corner with literally a desk. Abby got off of

00:02:18.960 either Wayfair or from Ikea. It was like a hundred dollars. I think she assembled it.

00:02:24.400 I mean, if there was no video, but if a camera happened to pan, you know, four feet to the right,

00:02:28.160 it would have been a magnet tiles tower and blocks and stuffed animals. Abby was on a beanbag next to

00:02:35.320 the desk. There were four of us. That was it. It was, there were just four of us and we hoped it would

00:02:41.220 work out, but who knew? It was like, I knew I hadn't. You have so many gifts that are suited for

00:02:46.600 this, that any one of them is rare to find, but to see them all in one person is amazing. And so I

00:02:52.800 had no doubt you were going to be amazing. You're very sweet. I would love to take all the credit,

00:02:58.000 but the truth is my team is totally, they're not underrated because no one's underrating them,

00:03:03.380 but they're just not, they don't receive enough affection and love. That's one negative of the way

00:03:07.960 things are set up, right? Like you guys know me, you see me, you hear me, but you, you need to know

00:03:12.780 the team. Like nobody ever comes up to them in a restaurant and says, Oh my God, I love the show

00:03:17.460 so much. It's really made a difference in my life. And they're fine. They're private people that they

00:03:21.540 probably wouldn't love that anyway. But I do just want to say like the work of my producers,

00:03:27.800 my booker, our tech staff is really what makes the show sing. And I can be a total pain in the ass

00:03:34.920 behind the scenes. Like when things go wrong, I'm not an easy taskmaster. You know, I really have

00:03:39.400 a very high bar for quality on the show because I want you guys to experience that. So my team

00:03:44.460 handles that they handle those moments and we've all been together for a year. I mean,

00:03:49.600 that's why everybody stays. Some, some have been with you way more than a decade. You're all running

00:03:54.200 in the same direction. Everyone on the team is tough and hardworking and believes in what you're

00:03:59.180 doing. It believes in the show. Canadian Debbie and I have been together since 2007,

00:04:02.860 since I started my very first show at Fox news. And then Abby came in 2009. And bit by bit,

00:04:10.240 by, by bit, we've been accumulating staff that to which I am extremely loyal. And I think they're

00:04:15.760 loyal to us too, because they believe in the mission. It's like, look, there's so many shows

00:04:19.560 you can go to where it's, you know, it's kind of like hack partisan kisses, right? Like sweet nothings.

00:04:25.020 But I think the audience of the show genuinely wants facts. They want opinion too, but they,

00:04:29.220 they want to, they don't want to be misled. What was the feedback you got from that one

00:04:32.480 viewer? It was relentlessly factual, relentlessly factual. I love it. So I sort of my unofficial

00:04:36.200 tagline now on the show, but anyway, uh, but it also requires a supportive family that doesn't

00:04:42.720 mind when at the last second you got to jet off someplace and cover something big. And you know,

00:04:47.280 you got to notice how many triple drops you've done with the kids because you know, I'm off

00:04:51.880 something. You paid it back this week, uh, with a triple drop, taking care of the kids as I was out

00:04:56.220 of here, but you, uh, you've provided so many opportunities for the kids too. They're getting,

00:05:00.260 uh, and in a richness of education through experience of getting out and seeing so much

00:05:05.440 in this political season, which has been amazing. It's been so cool. I have to say, um, one great

00:05:09.800 thing that's come from it. We don't push our politics on our kids. We talk about politics all

00:05:13.380 the time in our house, but that we've told them many times they can, they can be whatever they

00:05:17.180 want to be. You know, we certainly hope they don't turn it to far left libs, but we'll love them

00:05:21.600 if they do. And, um, our eldest is just, uh, kicking around the, they, they just formed a

00:05:27.140 conservative or a Republican club at his high school. So it's like, it's good. He's had exposure

00:05:32.300 to all these events. He's coming around naturally to what we think are sane political views, at least

00:05:37.480 in 2025 America. Yeah. Now, listen, I'm just a short timer here this morning. I'm a, or this

00:05:42.560 afternoon, I'm here for the champagne, but we also, if the, uh, if the crew is ready for it, I know

00:05:47.160 there's a video that some friends of the show would like to say congratulations as well. Who's in

00:05:52.260 charge here? Megan Kelly, 1000 episodes. Well, I would say that I didn't think that you'd get this

00:06:00.660 far, but of course I knew that you would. Congratulations to you. Congratulations to

00:06:04.760 your audience. We've got to hear you every day. It is awesome. It's amazing to see the path that

00:06:09.240 you've carved out for yourself. Truly. Congratulations. Megan, congratulations on a thousand

00:06:13.440 shows, a thousand shows. That is amazing. So much hard work went into it. It's not surprising

00:06:18.620 at all because you're incredible at what you do. I hope you know though, that all of that hard work

00:06:23.740 is, uh, an incredible success and also an incredible success for the media, because now what you've done

00:06:30.160 has shown there's incredible, massive demand and a huge appetite for journalists who prioritize the

00:06:37.060 truth and honesty above everything else. Congratulations. Amazing. Marsha Clark. And here's

00:06:42.940 to 10,000 more. Okay. 1000 shows. That's so impressive. Almost as impressive as, uh, the woman herself,

00:06:54.420 the legend, none other than Megan. Happy 1000. Congratulations on your 1000th episode. It seems

00:07:03.020 like only yesterday you had 999 episodes. I am looking forward to 1000 more, 10,000 more because you don't

00:07:12.020 age. So you'll probably be going until you have a million episodes. Congratulations on show 1000,

00:07:16.900 Megan. And thank you for having this Democrat on your show. It's part of the secret of your success

00:07:22.260 is that you're not afraid to debate. You embrace it and you're so darn good at it. I mean, at this

00:07:26.980 point, after a thousand shows, you must be so tired of winning. Well, here's the next thousand to my

00:07:32.860 friend, the great Megan Kelly, who I knew as Megan Kendall, Kelly and Kelly's court and all of this

00:07:39.240 stuff. A thousand episodes. Wow. And you accomplished all of that at the age of 30.

00:07:45.240 Congratulations, Megan Kelly. We're also proud of you. I didn't put a little tinkle of orange juice

00:07:50.220 in there. But you know, here's to you. Good job. Cheers. 1,000 shows. Oh, and Mark, of course, they're

00:07:55.660 back to back. I'm so happy for you. You know, the Simpsons hasn't even gotten there yet. And Mr. Rogers'

00:08:03.460 neighborhood, only $8.95. I think he's just making stuff up. So what I'm saying is you're better than Fred

00:08:11.580 Rogers. Hey, Megan, it's the first ever guest on the Megan Kelly show and therefore the unofficial

00:08:16.700 godfather of the program. I want to congratulate you and your team, not only on 1,000 episodes,

00:08:22.900 but also on the great success that your show has had, which is very well-deserved.

00:08:27.380 Megan Marie Kelly. 1,000 episodes. Unbelievable. Who'd have guessed that an attractive, smart,

00:08:36.080 incredibly congenial, extremely nice person could make it this far?

00:08:39.780 And thank you so much because we wouldn't be here without you. You've not only

00:08:43.700 used your own platform for your successes. You've raised all other boats on the conservative side.

00:08:49.120 You're the best. And to return the favor, I want it noted that I was the one that nominated you for

00:08:54.520 our man. Yeah, right on. You're the best, Megan. You set an example for all of us. And we just could

00:09:01.440 not thank you enough. And congratulations. Oh, man, that's incredible. Oh, so many of our favorites.

00:09:09.480 There is one more thing. I'll let you see it before the audience. There's one more thing from your

00:09:13.120 brilliant EP, Steve Krakauer. A painting that captures a recent moment in history. No, he didn't.

00:09:21.120 Let me put this out here. Can you guys see this? For the listening audience, it is a painting

00:09:27.300 of the Lauren Sanchez boobs at the inauguration swearing in and Mark Zuckerberg.

00:09:33.700 All eyes are cast downward like a dead president by Travis Chapman. Travis, thank you. Steve,

00:09:43.260 how did you know? I mean, it's exactly this is going to go in our bedroom and we're going to think

00:09:47.340 about Lauren. No, we're not. No, we aren't. It's like one day we get Lauren Sanchez and the next we

00:09:52.440 get Beyonce, Beyonce, whatever, Censore, Bianca, Kanye's wife. And it's kind of like two sides of

00:09:59.100 the same coin in a way. Look at me. Look at my boobs. Here's this ought to be fun. So you can see

00:10:03.780 where some of the sense of humor is behind the scenes in the show. Yeah, there were all raunchy

00:10:08.500 news people at heart. I mean, it's not a surprise, but I do want to pick up on something somebody was

00:10:12.220 saying there because I, Emily, it was Emily Jashinsky. Like our move over into the podcasting lane

00:10:18.880 did wind up being, I think, consequential. So did Tucker's hugely, you know, you and I have talked

00:10:24.300 about this privately, but having, you know, well-known names from the traditional media

00:10:28.840 come over to digital media. It's not like we were first by far. I mean, Ben, Joe Rogan, obviously

00:10:33.940 so many others were blazing a path, Dave Rubin. Um, but we were one of the earliest, like big names

00:10:40.920 from media, from the traditional media to come over. And I think it really did that one, two punch of

00:10:46.460 yours truly and Tucker within a relatively short window. Yeah. Send a message to the whole industry

00:10:51.880 that there was a new game in town that, that people who are free thinking and free speakers

00:10:57.420 were just done being constrained. Yeah. You know, we, we, we weren't going to go back to that other

00:11:03.060 industry and play by those same rules anymore. And that I really think is why his show and this show

00:11:09.820 have done well because people know it. They know when they're being spoon fed AstroTurf messaging

00:11:16.100 or corporate approved messaging, or where you just have your wings clipped on every segment.

00:11:20.860 Well, you guys were top of the mountain. You were the most talented, most energetic, uh,

00:11:26.860 broadcasters out there. And then you got to come over here and do it exactly the way you want to do

00:11:30.340 it, which made it even better. And once people got a chance to sample it, it's just taken off.

00:11:35.240 Well, it's a blessing. We're very lucky to be able to do it. And as I always say, not only am I doing

00:11:39.500 this, I'm doing it in my stretchy pants and my Uggs. That's winning. Love you, babe. Thank you,

00:11:48.400 honey. Love you. Thanks for coming over. Congrats. Thank you. I appreciate it. Doug's got to get out

00:11:52.320 of the studio because it's 76 degrees. It's a hundred degrees in here. Not just because I have

00:11:57.480 this, this top on today. I always keep it this hot with Abby's in the tank top. Usually you want a

00:12:02.000 champagne topper. Uh, I'm good. Thank you. She's not in today cause she has a sick baby. Um, but in

00:12:08.960 any event, wow. All right. So 12 minutes on the 1000th anniversary anniversary. And I could not

00:12:15.420 have done any one of them without all of you. God bless you. And thank you for supporting our efforts

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00:13:40.900 to the news. Speaking of that, because America may be buying Gaza as it turns out, Trump sees a real

00:13:46.320 estate opportunity and it could have some significant consequences. Joining me today, speaking of great

00:13:52.300 friends of the show, are our pals from the fifth column. They, along with all those other guests

00:13:56.700 who did that lovely video, are the ones who make the MK show. The MK show are great, great guests who,

00:14:01.920 by the way, get mentioned to me all the time when people say, I love the show. They'll say,

00:14:05.800 and we love your guests. And that's a credit to guys like this, making their 30th appearance on the

00:14:12.340 show. Wow. Is that true? Four and a half years ago. Can you believe that guys? Nice. Happy, happy

00:14:17.840 birthday. It's Camille Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welsh of we the fifth.com. So can you believe

00:14:24.780 that 30 times? I texted Camille yesterday and said, wait, were we on Megan's show during Trump 1.0?

00:14:34.600 And he said, no, which apparently it was a very short window, short window. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

00:14:42.060 Well, I launched this the end of September, I think of 2020 for sure. I launched it September 2020. So,

00:14:47.620 you know, we had three, three months of the window. Well, just to, to reiterate what's your other

00:14:53.920 guests had said, like, uh, the category of media that you are in and thriving in, um, is it's terrific

00:15:01.660 to watch? And a lot of it is due to two things that, uh, I think people consistently underrate

00:15:06.300 is, uh, having a sense of humor and, uh, and working your damn ass off as does everybody who

00:15:11.980 works for you. Uh, and that's work ethic and fun turns out, uh, people, uh, respond to it. So

00:15:17.480 congratulations. It's very well. I totally agree with that. I do think that the difference in any

00:15:21.980 job and becoming successful or not tends to be how hard you're willing to work. Go ahead.

00:15:26.580 I just want to add one thing to that is that, um, I'm really jealous of Doug Brunt for like

00:15:33.540 a number of reasons. And this is the first time I've like seen him. I've listened to his

00:15:38.040 podcast. He's a great host. And I saw him. And then I was like, you know, I'm not, I'm

00:15:44.340 not gay. I've never been gay. I'm like, that guy's like pretty amazing. And he's like handsome

00:15:49.280 and smart and he's charming and he's like in good shape. And he's so nice to you. And then

00:15:54.380 I realized I'm really bad at being a partner and a boyfriend. And, uh, so I want Doug,

00:15:59.520 I want Doug to know that he inspired me today to try to be slightly better as a person. And

00:16:05.020 it's absolutely not going to work. Yeah. Thank you, Doug.

00:16:07.840 It's pretty dreamy. I was in shows, but thank you, Doug. Yes. Very lucky, Megan.

00:16:12.620 I feel the need now to object on behalf of his younger brother, Ken Brunt, who's about had

00:16:18.240 it with all the Doug compliments. He listens often and he's like, could you tell people to dial

00:16:22.140 it back a little? Yeah. I mean, Ken and I have been talking about getting together and poisoning

00:16:26.760 Doug, but I didn't want to talk about that on the show. He's making us look bad. It's some sort of

00:16:32.560 toxin that blends into a rye Manhattan. It's going to go down very easily without question.

00:16:38.220 Oh man. Well, anyways, I do sincerely like guys like you guys, like the, the, the cast of

00:16:45.040 ruthless, the EJs. I, that's what makes me want to get up in the morning and come to this desk,

00:16:51.220 right? I love our conversations. I adore hearing your viewpoints. I don't think I could ever do a

00:16:56.840 show where it's just me. Occasionally I'll do one where it's just like, I'm going to rail on

00:17:00.160 something. That's fine. If I'm filled passionately about, but I love hearing what you guys have to

00:17:05.000 say. I love when we disagree. I love when you three disagree. Like all of that is the special sauce.

00:17:09.880 I think that goes into good shows. And it's not like we never have a miss. Occasionally we'll

00:17:15.180 have a guest who is like, all right, that's a one and done. But, um, you guys 30 times speaks for

00:17:20.460 itself. The gold standard. Yeah. Thank you. And I suspect we'll probably be disagreeing today.

00:17:26.480 So I sense, I sense it. Like, I don't even know how to feel about this. I, I, I'm like,

00:17:34.060 what we're buying Gaza or we're buying it or just taking it over. And like,

00:17:39.880 I was saying to my team, I'm like, it feels a little like, you know, your, your best friend

00:17:46.400 has pancreatic cancer and you feel really sorry for her. But instead of just feeling sorry for her,

00:17:51.640 you somehow transferred the pancreas to your body. Like now you've got pancreatic, like,

00:17:57.440 I'm not sure I wanted to help quite this much. I'm not sure I wanted to help quite this much,

00:18:02.120 but I am open-minded to what Trump is saying. Oh, let's play some sound just so people can hear from

00:18:06.980 the president himself. Hold on. Sotless dropped off by Doug Brunt, the Brunt Bureau. Um, here.

00:18:14.980 Okay. Here it is in Sot2 where he's, uh, he's proposing this, by the way, Netanyahu's here.

00:18:19.440 He had a meeting with Trump and they had a joint presser last night and Trump surprised everybody.

00:18:23.700 Even his senior staff reportedly did not know this was coming. I'm sure a couple of them did,

00:18:27.540 but most of them did not. And, um, there'd been no like major announcement coming tonight. So

00:18:32.320 everybody was like, what did he just say? And he did say something very significant and he said it

00:18:36.700 repeatedly. It wasn't a mistake. So here's Sot2. The only reason the Palestinians want to go back to

00:18:43.940 Gaza is they have no alternative. The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, will own it, and be

00:18:50.700 responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site,

00:18:56.000 level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, create an economic development that

00:19:02.840 will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area. Do a real job,

00:19:11.000 do something different. Just can't go back. If you go back, it's going to end up the same way it has

00:19:15.700 for a hundred years. I'm hopeful that this ceasefire could be the beginning of a larger and more

00:19:21.600 enduring peace. So the proposal appears to be that we are going to, all right, and it hasn't been like

00:19:30.880 sketched out exactly, but it appears to be that we would not, though he gave an answer that was

00:19:39.740 ambiguous, send troops necessarily over there, but that we are going to take over Gaza at least

00:19:49.020 temporarily. We're going to level what's left of the buildings. We're going to excavate the ground

00:19:55.080 to get rid of the some 30,000 bombs that they say are still there planted and awaiting, you know,

00:20:01.600 explosion or we're on reserve for Hamas. That during that time, we are going to strongly encourage

00:20:09.440 Egypt and Jordan to take the Palestinians that they have steadfastly resisted for years,

00:20:16.980 and especially since 10-7, they don't want them. They're like, this is the troublemaking group.

00:20:22.160 And we don't want them moving into Egypt or Jordan, but he says they will take them. Trump

00:20:27.260 actually said, they say they won't take them. I say they will. And that we're then going to develop

00:20:32.380 Gaza into what Trump says will be like a new Riviera. And we're not going to pay for it. We're going to

00:20:41.240 somehow get the Saudis, UAE, and I don't know who's the third to pay for it. And that then there's going

00:20:51.320 to be beautiful buildings where everyone can go and work and, you know, visit like a tourist.

00:20:58.620 But who's in charge at that point? Like, he doesn't seem to be saying we'll own it forever,

00:21:04.160 though he might be. Again, it's all very unclear today with me because it was unclear last night

00:21:09.360 with Trump. But so far, I'm hearing very positive reaction from Alan Dershowitz, who's been a major

00:21:16.380 advocate for Israel since the start. Ben Shapiro tweeted something out very, very positive. He

00:21:22.520 tweeted out in part, undoubtedly, the most extraordinary and unexpected element of Trump's

00:21:27.500 first term was his remaking of the Middle East and the Abraham with the Abraham Accords. He achieved

00:21:33.880 that Nobel Prize worthy accomplishment by thinking outside the box, recognizing hard realities and

00:21:39.860 ignoring the conventional idiocy of the blob. Here he goes again with Gaza. This vision is absolutely

00:21:45.700 transformative. And then you have Rand Paul with the following, the pursuit for peace should be that

00:21:54.120 of the Israelis and the Palestinians. I thought we voted for America first. We have no business

00:21:59.440 contemplating yet another occupation to doom our treasure and spill our soldiers blood. And the

00:22:06.620 Palestinians don't seem too keen on it out, you know, 18 hours in either. So what do you guys make of

00:22:13.400 it? I mean, the argument against it is pretty easy and obvious, which is that Americans didn't sign up

00:22:21.480 for another nation building project. When you've got, you've got Lindsey Graham saying, I don't know

00:22:25.580 about this one, man. Uh, then, you know, that you've really gotten to some, uh, special kind of

00:22:30.580 place. Uh, it's, you can't, you can't own a piece of this land. You can't run a whole chunk of it and

00:22:36.980 guarantee the, the removal of debris without deploying American forces. That's just not going

00:22:41.420 to happen. So if that was to take place, we would have our soldiers there, which means our soldiers

00:22:47.120 will die on Gazan soil. Um, I don't see how you avoid that happening. No one has been able to avoid

00:22:53.600 that happening with whoever's in charge of Gaza in its history. So it's pretty easy to argue against

00:22:59.460 that on the Rand Paul terms. The argument for what Trump did is that he's not going to actually do it,

00:23:04.860 that what he's trying to do is kind of a nod to what Ben Shapiro was saying, which is, and he,

00:23:09.340 Trump reiterated this yesterday and he's been saying this since he's been president and president

00:23:13.380 elect, which is that, uh, October 6th, uh, of 2023 was intolerable. We need to think differently

00:23:20.600 about that going forward. And the October 6th mindset is that, uh, Gazans, Palestinians will run

00:23:27.840 Gaza. If, if that means Hamas is in charge, then I guess that means Hamas is in charge. Uh, and,

00:23:33.960 and the people who live in palace, uh, in the, in the Gaza strip will sort of periodically wage

00:23:39.720 constant war against Israel. That's unacceptable going forward, as is the notion that, uh, the

00:23:46.560 neighboring countries are not going to, uh, lend a hand in helping out what comes next. The sad thing

00:23:52.800 is, is that neither Israel nor, uh, the United States, nor, um, uh, people in Gaza and the

00:23:59.300 surrounding area have come up with any plan about what to do with Gaza after this war. The ceasefire

00:24:03.980 deal is not a plan of what to do with Gaza after the war. So what Trump is doing, the defense of what

00:24:08.440 Trump is doing is that he's sort of moving the Overton window saying, Hey, look, maybe you should

00:24:11.940 take some refugees. Maybe, uh, there is a future that we can imagine in which this marvelous piece

00:24:19.040 of real estate on the Eastern Mediterranean is actually used to build positive things and not

00:24:25.280 just terror tunnels. Um, that's to the good. The, the problem with it is that you are using

00:24:30.300 an implied threat and what happens when you have to go through with it. And, uh, and it'll be very

00:24:36.340 interesting to see what Saudi Arabia in particular says. I think they woke up at four o'clock in the

00:24:40.960 morning, Saudi time to say, uh, no. Uh, and Trump, Trump was insisting that, uh, Saudi Arabia is going

00:24:47.620 to be basically cool with something like this. And, uh, and as part of their normalization,

00:24:52.500 here's what we have so far in terms of world leader reaction, at least from that region of the world.

00:24:58.920 Hamas, according to the New York times, immediately rejected mass relocation. A senior Hamas official

00:25:04.720 said that this is a recipe for creating chaos intention. What's needed is the end of the

00:25:10.300 occupation and the aggression against our people. Then Egypt, uh, their foreign minister spoke to

00:25:15.240 the prime minister and the foreign minister of the Palestinian authority about removing

00:25:18.020 debris from Gaza, expediting humanitarian aid and starting recovery programs without the

00:25:23.260 Palestinians leading leaving. So not going there. Jordan's King Abdullah the second has also

00:25:29.040 strongly opposed the plan saying that peace can only be achieved through a two state solution,

00:25:33.100 not through forced relocation. Okay. There's not going to be a two state solution. So the fine,

00:25:36.540 we can continue pretending that that's on the table, but it's not. Um, then there's Turkey.

00:25:41.940 It's even wrong to open that discussion, to open that to discussion, says the foreign minister,

00:25:48.780 uh, Turkey's against any initiative that would exclude the Gazan people. And the Saudis, their foreign

00:25:54.540 minister said, um, in a quote, sharply worded reaction that it is backing an independent palette,

00:26:02.180 Palestinian state. And that backing is a firm, steadfast and unwavering position. So, I mean,

00:26:09.640 no one's talking about a Palestinian state in this Trump plan. It's like, they're going to disperse

00:26:14.520 to Egypt and Jordan, the ones who have not wanted them all along. I mean, I got to be honest with you

00:26:20.820 guys. I don't, how are they living in, in Palestine right now? How, how's anybody living in Gaza?

00:26:25.720 It's, it's rubble. Through enormous amounts of international aid. I mean, the thing about this

00:26:32.360 is it is crazy in about a thousand ways. I mean, Donald Trump, um, exerting pressure on the Canadians

00:26:39.160 and the Mexicans to say, this is what we do. You need us. So therefore we'll turn the screws

00:26:44.500 and you'll do what we want. The same thing cannot apply to the Middle East. I mean, like the Abraham

00:26:51.500 Accords, which Ben Shapiro said was a great achievement, I agree with him, but those fall

00:26:56.580 apart. The second, the Trump administration says we are going to, against international law, by the

00:27:02.020 way, and against the Geneva Conventions, which prohibits, you know, large scale moving, forcibly

00:27:07.500 moving populations out of their territory. I mean, it's a crazy thing to do, but you know, Matt says,

00:27:13.460 you know, it would require American troops, troops in some way. There's not going to be any UN troops.

00:27:18.200 No one is going to agree to this, but if the American troops have to be there, they will

00:27:22.840 probably be killed on the ground. Some of them anyway, that's true. It's also true that they'll

00:27:27.160 be killed other places. Um, I mean, remember that Osama bin Laden's big complaint was American

00:27:32.480 soldiers in Saudi Arabia, where he was from the Holy land there. They don't tell me that they think

00:27:38.620 the Dome of the Rock and, and, and Palestinian territories are any less holy. They're always mentioned.

00:27:43.300 Also keep in mind that you have a restive population in the West bank, which is right there cheek to

00:27:49.260 jowl with Israel and has an enormous amount of support for Hamas these days, Palestinian authority

00:27:55.500 run, but the PA has been terrible. They don't, they're corrupt. They're, you know, there's a

00:28:00.160 million things to say about them. The Egyptians and the Jordanians look, I mean, you can't negotiate

00:28:05.640 in the sense is that the Egyptians have a peace deal that was made with Israel in the 1970s. I mean,

00:28:10.620 that's been a very, very important thing for some semblance of stability in the Middle East. The

00:28:15.600 Jordanians, I mean, you think about the terrorists that killed, uh, Israeli athletes at the 1972

00:28:21.200 Olympics. The name of that terror group is black September. Black September was an event in Jordan

00:28:26.440 in which the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan attacked the Palestinian refugee that they were fighting.

00:28:31.540 The Palestinians attacked them and the Jordanians attacked back. I mean, the Egyptians had a problem

00:28:36.900 with a Muslim brotherhood getting into government. They, that's why they don't allow, uh, Palestinians

00:28:41.560 to come through that Southern border at Rafa gate. Nobody is going to agree with this.

00:28:46.100 They don't want them. They don't want them. You can't make them. Well, we're going to make a deal.

00:28:50.920 No, no, no. They have, you know, 40, 50 years of doing this in very particular reasons of their own

00:28:57.520 stability. The Jordan, the Jordanian monarchy, for instance, or the Egyptian government for what?

00:29:02.900 Some deal with Donald Trump. They're going to potentially destabilize their own governments,

00:29:06.560 not in a million years. And also you just can't, you can't kick people off their land. I agree

00:29:12.060 with the, with the, but so far as Gaza exists, I mean, it still exists. They've already been kicked

00:29:17.840 out. It's like Israel did that. Gaza is destroyed. Like that's, that is done. I don't think now if we

00:29:24.640 go beyond Gaza, if we're talking about all of Palestine and the West bank, yeah, you got to kick

00:29:28.740 people out, but Gaza is done. Like, unless somebody goes in there and rebuilds it, there is no long

00:29:35.160 term sustaining of that area for these Palestinians. So they're going to have to go somewhere or do

00:29:40.280 something. Then he's basically saying, we're not going to fund the rebuilding while you're sitting

00:29:44.500 there. Like get out, we'll level it, we'll clean it up, but for a price, like we're going to need to

00:29:50.540 rebuild it. And we may have some stake in, in it on an ongoing basis. Again, that piece of it is

00:29:55.680 unclear. I mean, is that America's responsibility? I do think to say that he's moving them out is

00:29:59.580 not true. Cause I think really Israel did that. I mean, they're all still within the kind of

00:30:04.840 contiguous borders of Gaza, because as we have both pointed out, nobody is willing to take them. I

00:30:10.000 mean, when we were rebuilding Berlin and Tokyo, the Germans and the Japanese stayed put, I mean,

00:30:15.260 obviously I am somebody who is incredibly- After world war one, we did get rid of a bunch of Germans

00:30:21.160 from the, what is it, Sudetenland? True. They got kicked out. Yeah, which kind of created World War II.

00:30:28.400 So that's, it's a problem because the Sudeten Germans, when they were pushed out, created the

00:30:32.660 crisis in 1938, where the Germans took back part of Czechoslovakia and then all of Czechoslovakia.

00:30:37.080 So, I mean, you create these long-term problems when you're moving populations against their will.

00:30:41.660 But I mean, the thing is, is that I do agree with someone like Ben Shapiro. I mean, I've always been

00:30:46.340 criticized for being hawkish on this issue, is that October 6th and October 9th are no longer

00:30:53.720 sustainable. And what you can tell from what Donald Trump said, and keeping in mind, he's done so much

00:30:59.120 stuff over the years off the cuff that has then become policy. Note in this that he was reading

00:31:03.960 off notes. He was reading, yep. This was actually something that was not just, he just had an idea.

00:31:08.580 This was written down and he was presenting this and this was a plan, you know, with malice of

00:31:14.120 forethought that some people would think, right? But I mean, he has an idea here. And the one idea

00:31:19.620 that you can say that is, that everyone understands, but this is the two-state solution

00:31:24.060 is finally fully dead. And that is coming from the president of the United States.

00:31:28.860 Although we don't know how long before-

00:31:29.620 I mean, I think it's interesting. It's bold. You have to give him points for a bold plan that

00:31:33.580 both Ben and Alan Dershowitz, like two of our most prominent Jewish Americans said,

00:31:39.400 I never even envisioned something like this. And Alan Dershowitz is going off, like for 40 plus

00:31:44.100 years, 50 years, I've been at the forefront of dealing with every single Israeli leader

00:31:48.740 and American president in trying to forge a better situation for Israel. Never even crossed my mind

00:31:55.460 that this would be a potential possibility and sounded excited about the fact that this

00:31:59.720 very outside the box thinker, President Trump, threw something new and in the mix that everybody

00:32:04.520 in the world was like, huh? What? And like, I think it needs some time to be digested,

00:32:10.220 to be kicked around, to be criticized. That's all fair too, but not to be knee-jerk dismissed

00:32:14.980 because the one thing we know, Camille, is that nothing has worked so far.

00:32:20.380 Yeah. I mean, I think you, as you said, when you were laying this out, so many of the details

00:32:24.600 are amorphous. We don't actually know what any of this means. He's insisting that we're going to

00:32:29.420 take it over. We'll own it. Um, and folks won't be able to come back, but we're also not going to

00:32:34.200 have our military there. I don't know how those two things work together. Um, this is kind of,

00:32:39.520 uh, par for the course with Trump in some respects in that this is his, uh, truthful hyperbole strategy

00:32:44.600 being deployed again. Um, just like Greenland, um, just like Mexico, um, the Mexico Canada tariffs,

00:32:50.520 um, very recently, um, where you say something bold and audacious, you promise some horrible

00:32:55.560 consequence of folks that don't comply with what you want. Um, but as with the Mexico Canada

00:33:00.620 situation, he never actually laid out any sort of success criteria. So what he ended up settling

00:33:05.440 for so far as I can tell, doesn't actually seem to be particularly consequential. Um, I don't think

00:33:10.940 you can use the same strategy. He took what he got as an exchange for a 30 day extension on his

00:33:15.440 tariffs. So I think Trump would say the deal's not done. Like those are the first initial concessions

00:33:20.140 and within 30 days we should, we should be negotiating on all the things I really want. So we'll see.

00:33:26.160 But there's, there's probably not an easy out like that in this circumstance. Now that you've laid

00:33:32.080 this out and made all of these kind of grand proclamations and insisted that folks are going

00:33:36.980 to do things that they've said they would not do for a very, very, very long time. You kind of have

00:33:43.160 to like put up at some point. And I'm just not sure there's any there, there. Moynihan, you mentioned

00:33:49.580 that he was reading for a piece of paper and I noticed that too. Um, but it's not clear when that

00:33:54.080 piece of paper was authored. It could have been moments before, right? I'm glad to see Trump

00:33:58.280 reading on something as big as this. Like, yes, Jared, Jared Kushner has been talking about this

00:34:04.380 for, uh, for many, many months, uh, variations of this and Trump in his extended remarks. If you go

00:34:10.520 and read the transcript, he's talking at some level of detail and talking about having thought about

00:34:15.300 this for a while, my prediction of this, and it's always a fool's game, but I'll nonetheless weighed in

00:34:21.680 just to try to make us have a sense of maybe where this is going. Um, and also there's some

00:34:26.560 state department, uh, spokesman, uh, uh, comments, uh, to this effect that this is an attempt to

00:34:32.880 pressure Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, uh, Egypt and Jordan, to the extent that they can participate

00:34:38.480 into being an active participant in a non Hamas governing structure in Gaza. Someone needs to make

00:34:47.260 sure that Gaza is governed and secured in such a way to make real reconstruction possible, uh, a real

00:34:55.980 building, a positive building. What you're saying is it's like when we're at the dinner table and I

00:35:03.400 can't get my three kids to agree on who's going to do the cleanup. And I, in exasperation, just say,

00:35:08.640 fine, I'll do it. And my kids being sweet kids know that I worked all day and that I, then if I cooked

00:35:13.880 a meal, I'm especially bitter. And it's sore. They had to eat it. No, no, no. Exactly. Right.

00:35:20.560 We got it. And they know it's not going to get better if I then have to do the cleanup of the

00:35:24.760 meal. And then at that point, they're all like, all right, we'll do it. We'll work it out. We'll

00:35:28.380 work it out. The three of us will do it together or one of us will do it. What you're saying is that

00:35:32.620 Trump is the me in that situation being like, fine, nobody else is going to solve it. I'll solve it.

00:35:38.080 Hoping that the three other people at the table stand up to say, you know what? We'll handle it.

00:35:44.540 Well, your kids are sweet though. That's the thing. I'm not sure we're dealing with sweet kids here.

00:35:49.380 And I'm also not sure. And I don't know what Trump's leverage and maybe Moynihan has some

00:35:54.380 insight that currently I lack, but I don't know what Trump's whip hand is to sort of make these

00:36:00.980 people do what he wants. America already gives a ton of foreign aid to Egypt and Jordan and Israel,

00:36:06.820 of course, uh, and military, uh, sales to Saudi Arabia. I don't give direct aid as far as I'm

00:36:11.900 aware. Um, but so, but what is the, the whip hand to sort of make people do this? Is it just like,

00:36:16.860 oh no, I might act crazy. Um, or is it, is it an ownership interest in the, the Gaza Riviera?

00:36:24.200 Because that seemed it, but Trump is saying we're not going to pay for this.

00:36:27.900 It's more of Gaza, uh, Megan, we should look called by its name.

00:36:31.800 Gaza era, the Gaza era. I think I'd be a little, I'd be a little scared to stay in a hotel in the

00:36:39.380 Gaza era. I don't know. Maybe it'll be different 30 years. Here's, let me give you a little Trump

00:36:43.980 sound. Cause he, he filled in a few of these blanks. I mean, again, we're still unclear and

00:36:48.780 he was still ambiguous, but you should hear directly from the president on first, the question of U S

00:36:53.800 troops. So five, Mr. President, given what you've said about Gaza to the U S and troops to help secure,

00:37:03.020 uh, the security vacuum. As far as Gaza is concerned, uh, we'll do what is necessary.

00:37:09.540 If it's necessary, we'll do that. We're going to take over that piece. We're going to develop it,

00:37:14.560 create thousands and thousands of jobs, and it'll be something that the entire Middle East can be

00:37:20.220 very proud of. Then Politico following up spoke to an unnamed Trump official who they report did

00:37:28.540 not accept the premise that Trump's plan would require American troops in Gaza. Expect plenty

00:37:34.740 more pushback on that assumption from the white house today. This official argued that it's in the

00:37:40.620 interest of other Arab players like, uh, Saudi Arabia to find a solution to the conflict and that

00:37:47.140 Trump throwing his ideas out there might inspire others to counter as the man himself says, we'll

00:37:53.720 see. So that's kind of my dinner party. Um, you know, possibility, the dinner party. Um, there's,

00:37:59.920 yeah, there's one negative possibility here is that, you know, if you're negotiating in that way,

00:38:05.760 well, we're going to go in there, we're going to do it. You're not going to like that. So therefore

00:38:08.660 you're going to go in and clean it up yourself. We're going to force you into doing the thing that

00:38:13.940 you're reluctant to do. You know, the flip side of that is also true. I mean, keep in mind that

00:38:18.140 there are people in all of these governments across the Arab world who would love to see America

00:38:22.600 do that. I mean, look what happened in the Iraq war. They absolutely, I mean, do you, do you think

00:38:27.400 any of these governments give a shit about the Palestinians? If they gave a shit about the

00:38:31.340 Palestinians, they would be allowing enormous amounts of refugees. They care about destroying Israel

00:38:35.780 and they've been sacrificing the Palestinians on that behalf for a very, very long time.

00:38:40.300 If you can bring American troops in there and actually cause even more chaos for the great

00:38:45.000 Satan, the Iranians would love that. I mean, it's kind of what America does by, by funding

00:38:50.280 the Ukrainians. It's like, keep Putin bogged down and kill a bunch of his soldiers in Ukraine,

00:38:56.520 right? In the borderlands of Ukraine. Like we don't have to fight that war. They'll do it for us.

00:39:00.260 Okay. I take all of that. I take it all. But what if, let's just go with the what if for a moment

00:39:07.060 here? Trump is a builder. Like this actually is an area like cleaning out a wasteland, you know,

00:39:16.240 a construction site, removing destroyed buildings and putting up enormous, lovely new ones. That is

00:39:22.400 something he actually has some expertise in. And what if he actually could with the, with money from

00:39:30.100 the Saudis and the Jordanians and the Egyptians and the UAE, and maybe some American money build what

00:39:36.280 he says could be there. Here is sought three. We have an opportunity to do something that could be

00:39:45.080 phenomenal. And I don't want to be cute. I don't want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera

00:39:50.480 of the middle East, this could be something that could be so bad. This could be so magnificent.

00:39:55.280 Stand by. Let me play one follow up where he was asked if this, is this, are we going there

00:40:02.040 permanently? Like we're, we're never leaving Gaza now. And here's what he said. It's not six.

00:40:07.000 You are talking tonight about the United States taking over a sovereign territory.

00:40:11.800 What authority would allow you to do that? Are you talking about a permanent occupation there?

00:40:17.140 I do see a long-term ownership position and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the

00:40:25.180 Middle East and maybe the entire Middle East. This was not a decision made lightly. Everybody I've

00:40:30.020 spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating

00:40:35.780 thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that

00:40:41.440 nobody would know. Nobody can look because all they see is death and destruction.

00:40:46.320 Sorry, one more, you guys. Keep those in mind, right? So there's Trump saying could be

00:40:50.320 like the Riviera, the Riviera of the Middle East, then saying, I do see a long-term ownership

00:40:56.060 position, ownership for the United States. And then here is the Jared Kushner sound in part that

00:41:02.780 you guys just referred to his son-in-law. In Gaza's waterfront property, it could be very valuable to,

00:41:09.160 if people would focus on kind of building up, you know, livelihoods, you think about all the money

00:41:13.600 that's gone into this tunnel network and into all the munitions, if that would have gone into

00:41:17.040 education or innovation, what could have been done. And so I think that it's a little bit of an

00:41:22.740 unfortunate situation there. But I think from Israel's perspective, I would do my best to

00:41:26.140 move the people out and then clean it up. How about that? That was exactly 12 months ago.

00:41:33.600 I see a lot. I mean, I don't even know where to begin here. I see a lot. I mean,

00:41:37.780 first of all, we're seeing neocon dawn, which I was not expecting at this point.

00:41:42.240 Neodon. You know, neocon dawn is making a lot of people. I'm sure Tucker Carlson is having heart

00:41:48.880 palpitations up in the woods of Maine right now. I'm very interested to see how he reacts.

00:41:53.920 I agree with you. I'm very interested to see how Tucker reacts.

00:41:56.560 I'm like, is he tweeting about this? I guess he's going to have a show and talk about it.

00:42:00.120 But that doesn't usually tweet. He'll do something on the show. Yeah, go ahead.

00:42:03.340 But I'm interested to see how he deals on the show because, I mean, keep in mind that Lebanon was

00:42:07.980 long considered the Middle Eastern Riviera and Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East and

00:42:14.540 completely destroyed by, you know, sectarian fighting in this kind of sense that, you know,

00:42:20.420 Donald Trump made a big deal. And I kind of defended him in one way. He said in 2002 when asked by

00:42:26.020 Howard Stern if he supported the Iraq war, he said something like, I guess so. And then he turned on

00:42:31.720 it pretty quickly. And he said it was like the biggest foreign policy mistake in American history.

00:42:36.980 I don't know how he thinks, you know, if we're going to own this property and stay there for a

00:42:42.960 long time, that this is going to be peaceful. This is going to be without the Iranians, you know,

00:42:49.220 the jihadists that blew up American troops in Iraq were almost exclusively funded by the Iranians,

00:42:54.520 IEDs blowing people's legs off. I mean, you don't think something like that would happen again?

00:42:58.820 I do. For the purpose of a couple of hotels. Yeah. If you had the choice, I think you would go to the

00:43:04.780 south of France and not to Gaza, where people who have been displaced are probably going to want

00:43:10.760 to wage war to get that piece of territory back. Well, because here's the problem. Like, in part,

00:43:16.420 we're treating Hamas like they're rational humans who we can just strike a deal with. And they're

00:43:22.440 absolutely barbaric. I mean, what they did to Israel on 10-7 is animalistic in its viciousness.

00:43:31.040 And they don't value human life. Their charter makes that clear. The way they behave makes that

00:43:36.880 clear. All those UN videos of, or it wasn't the UN, I can't remember who put it together,

00:43:41.360 but of the Palestinian children talking about how they can't wait to die for the cause just so they

00:43:45.980 can martyr themselves and kill Israelis. And even with the Hamas fighters calling their parents for

00:43:53.240 praise in the middle of murdering, I murdered four Jews. Yeah. Kids, parents. That's not someone we can

00:43:59.700 negotiate with. That's not someone who's going to be lured into peacefulness by a big, beautiful

00:44:04.520 building that he might be able to swing by the spa on Sunday at, Camille. I don't like,

00:44:09.400 I don't, I'm open. I have no solutions for the Middle East, none. So I'm as open-minded to this

00:44:14.360 one as another. But I do think this fundamental truth about the people who are in Hamas must be

00:44:20.440 dealt with in making our decision. Yeah. I don't know if it would be helpful, but I mean,

00:44:26.120 to the extent, you know, Trump has qualities that I'm, I'm eager to, to embrace, like one of those

00:44:31.960 is being able to, to essentially utter uncomfortable truths that like no one else is willing to look

00:44:37.820 at, um, and acknowledging the fact that this is a terrible situation. The status quo is completely

00:44:42.360 unacceptable. We can't return to that. We have to do something bold and audacious here. Let me just throw

00:44:47.600 something out there to do that in the kind of most responsible, delicate way possible, um, while being

00:44:52.660 sufficiently disruptive, I think is a, is a very good thing. But in terms of achieving this kind of

00:44:58.540 Riviera of the Middle East thing, like the first and second order problems before you get to the end

00:45:04.000 state where he could actually do the thing that he has done a bunch, build things, um, they're just so

00:45:10.160 hard. The security envelope that would be required, um, to actually allow contractors to come in and do

00:45:15.340 the construction, the, the, the effort to actually try to move people around to perhaps force people out,

00:45:22.240 um, it would just be extraordinary. Um, and then let's say he gets it built. Let's say he makes

00:45:29.280 Gaziera as populated and with the skyscraper hotels as lower Manhattan, who would stay in one of those?

00:45:38.000 Like, yeah, all it takes sustaining it over time, Hamas fighter to go in there with the bomb laden

00:45:43.760 backpack. And that's, what's going to start happening, right? It's like, you cannot trust these

00:45:47.780 people. Like you cannot, they are not a peaceful people. They do not desire to live in peace,

00:45:51.900 but they really want to do is kill Jews. That's really what they get off on. And, um, and Americans

00:45:56.860 too. I think they'd be thrilled to kill Americans, uh, as Jewish supporters, Israeli supporters,

00:46:00.780 if we stay in Gaziera and not just there, not just there, right. Right. We don't want their bus

00:46:08.640 attacks coming over here, but I also do feel like, well, I don't have a better solution. And I do think

00:46:15.460 knowing Trump's constant negotiation tactics, there's a high likelihood this could just be

00:46:20.560 trying to spur someone else into action. Like I take your point that maybe these Middle East folks

00:46:26.320 want to see the United States do this because it's to our peril, but maybe, you know, Trump,

00:46:31.660 I think we can all agree knows more than we know about what's actually happening behind the scenes in

00:46:35.400 these countries. And I'll bet you, he does have a game plan. There's one thing that we're presuming

00:46:41.340 and that Trump is presuming from the lectern there is that Hamas is a spent force. Um, we saw during

00:46:48.100 those hostage handovers that there is a significant number of young, uh, fighting age men that have

00:46:54.180 survived. And if you look at all the assessments, Hamas is not a spent force. This is a ceasefire.

00:46:59.700 There's not a victory. There's not a victory parade that everybody in Hamas has done. All their

00:47:04.380 munitions have been captured, et cetera. So if you go in there to do anything, you were immediately

00:47:09.220 fighting an insurgency. I mean, that's like this people are not going away. They're not going to

00:47:13.040 walk away. These are people, as you say, Megan, those in the people I think you were thinking of

00:47:17.580 is the organization memory is memory.org that collects all the videos. And you know, how many

00:47:23.520 times can you see a video saying we love death more than you love life? These are people not like,

00:47:28.520 Oh, it's dangerous. I'm going to get out of here. No, we're going to, we're going to dig in

00:47:31.400 and we have troops left and we have, we have fighters left and you try to come in here and build a hotel.

00:47:36.220 We are going to make it a bloody mess for you. And that is assured. You can bet the bank on that

00:47:41.720 one. One thing that I think it's worth- Okay, but can we talk about the thread that we were just

00:47:44.980 touching on? Because, you know, I raised this with Marco Rubio last week saying it's a really tough

00:47:50.760 time to be secretary of state as a Republican, given what's happening within the Republican party,

00:47:57.360 within MAGA on the issue of foreign policy. It's not, we use Tucker because he's like one of,

00:48:04.040 if not the leader of this strain within MAGA, but there, there are millions, millions of Americans

00:48:08.020 who feel like Tucker does, which is we should be truly putting America first and withdrawing from

00:48:14.460 these international conflicts. And that this is Israel's problem, not ours. Why should we be

00:48:18.340 spending all this money? And forgive me for trying to paraphrase Tucker's more complex view, but this

00:48:22.600 is the thumbnail sketch, um, that this is Israel's problem, that they should be prioritizing it and that

00:48:27.580 the Middle East should be working on this, but we have our own problems. You know, we have,

00:48:30.860 it's the number one cause of death. Now the fentanyl poisoning of younger Americans, like

00:48:35.100 why isn't the money that we're about to spend or the efforts that we're about to spend going toward

00:48:39.580 us. But as you know, within the Republican party, there's a much more Neo Connie strain and even just

00:48:47.260 maybe not even Neo con, but more bellicose, more hawkish that is very pro Israel. Um, and Marco Rubio,

00:48:55.140 I would say, I don't think he was totally Neo Connie. I think he'd more of like a hawk.

00:48:59.520 Sympathetic. Yeah. Okay. Neo Connie. And then kind of maybe downgraded to hockey

00:49:03.580 and then kind of flirting with the more isolationists, you know, no, I don't. So

00:49:10.020 I feel like Trump is telling us that he's, he's more with the Marco Rubio's of the world,

00:49:16.020 right? Like this is pretty aggressive. He bombed ISIS in Somalia. Um, he says, I think,

00:49:22.120 I think we might be getting ready to take Greenland by force, maybe Panama too. I don't,

00:49:27.660 I'm laughing because I don't actually think he'll do that, but he, he's not ruled it out.

00:49:31.720 So I think we're kind of seeing the boss message on where he actually stands on, on these issues.

00:49:38.500 I think that, that he is going to be pursue a Trump corollary of the Monroe doctrine and he's

00:49:44.220 already doing it. Um, America is going to be very assertive in its near abroad, uh, and do things that

00:49:50.800 were not contemplated before. I think in the Middle East, he wants to be a peacemaker at heart.

00:49:55.440 Um, and he Monroe doctrine is too big a concept to introduce with just four seconds before the

00:50:01.460 break. So put a pin in that, pick it up on the opposite side of this quick word. Thank you guys.

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00:51:15.240 We are celebrating here at the MK show, our 1000th episode as a podcast. It's not our 1000th episode

00:51:29.140 as a YouTube show though. It took us a year before we added a camera to our offering and went live on

00:51:36.280 YouTube. And, uh, I think we're on episode 850 or so on YouTube. And while we're on the subject of

00:51:42.840 YouTube, we just got our numbers in for January and it's just amazing. It's a, it's amazing work.

00:51:49.400 God bless you. YouTube followers. Cause you're really making this show sing over there. Um,

00:51:54.160 in the month of January, I'll give you a feel CBS news had 65 million views on their YouTube channel.

00:52:02.580 They have 6.5 million subscribers. We have 3.3 million subscribers on YouTube. All right. So they have

00:52:08.160 double what we have. So they had 65 million views. Um, NBC news on their YouTube channel has 11 million

00:52:17.600 subscribers and they had 132 million views, right? So 132 million and 65 million. We have 3.3 million

00:52:24.680 and we had 143 million views on just for the MK show just in January. Like I'm crazy. It's crazy.

00:52:34.020 It's crazy, right? With our, our 3.3 gave us 143 million. NBC's 11 million gave them 132 CNN.

00:52:43.220 They had 151 million. So just a little bit above us. And they have 17.5 million, 17.5 million.

00:52:52.040 And they only had a touch more than we did. That's all of CNN, every single program over there versus

00:52:57.540 just the MK show. So I just, it's amazing. The power of this kind of an audience that is like,

00:53:05.540 fuck off corporate media.

00:53:07.140 Wait, that was just in January?

00:53:09.100 Hold on. That was just in January.

00:53:11.440 Just in January.

00:53:12.660 Well, we'll see February because I think CNN's numbers are going to really fall off now that

00:53:16.300 Jim Acosta is gone.

00:53:18.120 Oh, that's true. I don't know why they got rid of that.

00:53:21.200 The bottom is falling out of that one. Some, some percentage of the show so much is because

00:53:27.420 we talk about things like the Monroe doctrine. That's, that's really what people want.

00:53:32.320 So you've got 30 seconds to pit, to pivot off of that point under one. We understand.

00:53:37.820 Yes. James Monroe in 1823 told European powers to get off the Western atmosphere. Don't install

00:53:43.640 your puppet monarchs. Um, in a late 19th century, uh, Donald Trump's favorite president, William

00:53:49.020 McKinley, uh, prosecuted and won the Spanish American war. America, uh, now suddenly owns

00:53:54.440 kind of Cuba and Puerto Rico in the Philippines. So that, that one didn't go so well, but in that

00:53:58.860 process, and after he was assassinated, Teddy Roosevelt installed the corollary, which is

00:54:02.840 basically the U S asserts the right to intervene into the, uh, internal politics and military

00:54:08.740 situation of broader Latin America. Cause it's our near abroad. We have special care of that.

00:54:15.120 Um, and I think what Trump is doing right now in, uh, making kind of trying to kick China out of the

00:54:20.520 Panama, uh, canal and, uh, uh, trying to assert more, uh, latitude over Greenland is, uh, updating

00:54:27.420 the Monroe doctrine in a MAGA type way. That was 30 seconds. Okay. I like that. Well done. Um, I do want

00:54:35.340 to follow up on a point. Was it you, Camille? Somebody was saying that Trump, you know, he says the thing

00:54:40.460 that nobody else will say, one of you guys said it. And, um, of course, 100% and on brand yesterday,

00:54:48.020 he took questions from the, uh, journalists in the audience, which included this woman.

00:54:54.800 I know where this is going. Oh God.

00:54:57.300 From Afghanistan. Here, take a listen.

00:55:02.160 Do you have any plan to change Afghanistan situation? Are you able to recognize Taliban?

00:55:07.280 Because I'm an Afghan journalist. Afghan suffered woman. Any comment about Afghanistan? What's

00:55:13.140 your future plan for Afghan people, especially Afghanistan?

00:55:15.940 I have a little hard time understanding you. Where are you from?

00:55:21.960 Actually, it's a beautiful voice and a beautiful accent. The only problem is I can't understand

00:55:27.080 the word you're saying.

00:55:27.940 But I just say this. Uh, good luck. Live in peace. Go ahead, please.

00:55:36.000 Wow. Wow. He's just, he says that to Melania every night anyway.

00:55:41.140 It's like, it's used to.

00:55:42.640 Donald, what are we doing with this suitcase?

00:55:46.300 I love it. The only problem is very beautiful voice, but I can't understand a word you're saying.

00:55:52.340 Live in peace. Good luck.

00:55:53.800 That's, I mean, that is a bit, because I understood what she was saying perfectly. I don't know.

00:55:59.560 You guys understood that, right?

00:56:01.380 Nobody did.

00:56:02.600 It's the acoustics. It's the acoustics.

00:56:04.740 Here's another dose of honesty. This one more substantive and arguably, you know, more important,

00:56:10.260 a message about what could happen, what would happen if, God forbid, Iran actually succeeded

00:56:16.980 in assassinating him. Listen to Sat 9.

00:56:19.180 That would be a terrible thing for them to do. Not because of me. If they did that,

00:56:25.200 they would be obliterated. That'd be the end. I've left instructions. If they do it,

00:56:31.060 they get obliterated. There won't be anything left. And they shouldn't be able to do it. And Biden

00:56:37.040 should have said that, but he never did. I don't know why. Lack of intelligence, perhaps.

00:56:40.900 I don't know. Are posthumous presidential orders a thing? Can you do that?

00:56:49.140 That's not a thing, but it's fine. We get this point.

00:56:51.460 I do appreciate the point.

00:56:52.980 He's making them a thing.

00:56:53.920 I presume that's correct, actually. Whoever your successor is, if they wiped out the president

00:56:59.520 and the rest of the, we're coming for you. So yes, I presume that's correct, whether you

00:57:03.840 write it down or not.

00:57:04.560 And if you don't say it, it's lack of intelligence.

00:57:08.820 He also followed that up today, though, right? It's like the fake news or whatever. It's not true

00:57:15.100 that I have made an agreement to, and then of course, all caps, blow Iran to smithereens.

00:57:23.860 No, I haven't made that deal. So just to make that clear, I want them to succeed. They just can't

00:57:29.140 make it a nuclear weapon. I worry when he does that, not just for my own sanity, but I worry

00:57:36.940 a little bit that he is going to, people are not going to take his threats seriously. I presumed in

00:57:45.320 the Middle East, there's a better chance for people to take his threats seriously, although

00:57:48.920 there's the kind of fly trap scenario that Moynihan was looking into. But you also wonder if Iran is

00:57:56.240 saying, okay, well, let's see what just happened with Mexico and Canada. Maybe we'll find a way

00:58:01.240 to make him declare victory with a deal on a nuclear program that is actually kind of beneficial to

00:58:08.680 Iran. I think that he's legitimately a hawk on Iran, which is also something that one who is like a

00:58:15.620 MAGA non-interventionist or intervention skeptic should look at with some level of concern. I mean,

00:58:21.640 what was the Iraq war of actually kind of about at the beginning, it was to make sure that Iraq

00:58:27.140 didn't get a nuclear weapon. And Donald Trump, I think the more significant thing that he did

00:58:31.440 yesterday in the White House was actually not the Gaza comments. It was recommitting the US to sort

00:58:37.200 of maximum pressure on Iran if they get anywhere close, not just to a nuclear weapon, but with being

00:58:41.820 too aggressive in their ballistic missiles program and elsewhere. So what does that mean? I think

00:58:46.680 probably what that means is that he would let Netanyahu or Israel do what is necessary from

00:58:52.220 their point of view to make that not happen. But are we committing the United States to act

00:58:56.840 militarily if Iran gets close to a nuclear weapon? And what does that mean? That's difficult.

00:59:02.020 Hell no. That would truly be a neocondon. And there's no way Trump would. I bet the farm Trump

00:59:08.280 doesn't do that.

00:59:09.020 I mean, he signed that order yesterday.

00:59:10.480 Truth Social. I hear you, but I just like, he's too smart and he knows the Republican Party too

00:59:16.580 well, but he knows that there is zero appetite for that. The Truth Social he just sent out is,

00:59:21.800 I want Iran to be a great and successful country, but one that cannot have a nuclear weapon. Reports

00:59:26.680 that the US working in conjunction with Israel is going to blow Iran into smithereens, end quote,

00:59:33.100 are greatly exaggerated, in all caps. I would much prefer a verified nuclear peace agreement,

00:59:38.880 which will let Iran peacefully grow and prosper. We should start working on it immediately and have

00:59:45.280 a big Middle East celebration when it is signed and completed. God bless the Middle East. I have to

00:59:51.900 say, he makes it sound so great. You know, you're like, yes, let's just all be friends and let's have

00:59:58.840 a big Middle East celebration. But, you know, given what we're dealing with over there.

01:00:03.520 No, and we can celebrate at Epcot Center Khan Yunus when it opens in Gaza. But the thing about

01:00:12.680 this stuff is, you know, you can be a little more rhetorically aggressive against Iran these days

01:00:19.000 because, I mean, remember Osama bin Laden said America after the Khobar Towers and, you know, the

01:00:24.300 attack in Yemen was a paper tiger. And I think that's what a lot of people are thinking about Iran

01:00:30.220 these days, considering Israel, you know, flew F-16s into its airspace, knocked out its anti-air

01:00:38.240 defenses, came back and then girded itself for the response. And Iran did basically nothing. They

01:00:44.780 sent like a nominal bunch of drones up. So, I mean, talking tough on Iran is it's an easier thing to do

01:00:51.560 now because Iran, I think, in the eyes of a lot of people is in that sort of paper tiger moment.

01:00:56.900 So, yeah, I don't I would be surprised. But Megan, you mentioned something that almost got no

01:01:01.720 attention. And it's one of these flood the zone things, a flurry of executive orders,

01:01:05.800 is that a United States airstrike on an ISIS leader in Somalia really got no attention from anyone. And

01:01:14.440 it's like, this is the, you know, Don, the neocon Don in isolationist Don thing, where on the one hand,

01:01:21.720 he's making sure that, you know, he's not a neocon, that adventurism is over. But, you know,

01:01:27.260 a little bit of winking at like he did, you know, 70 Tomahawk missiles into Syria in his first term

01:01:32.480 and this hitting people and the war against ISIS. It's not we're not staying entirely at home. And I

01:01:38.040 think that some of his supporters actually don't love that and probably won't love a lot of this stuff

01:01:43.320 in the past 48 hours. One one follow up on his comment about how Joe Biden didn't issue this

01:01:49.980 warning to Iran because it was perhaps a lack of intelligence. Did you hear that CAA? Yes. One of

01:01:57.500 the biggest agencies in America. This is the competitor to William Morris Endeavor. Just signed

01:02:03.820 Joe Biden. Honestly, I all I could say was what what are they going to use? Like he's going to endorse

01:02:10.160 like he'll be the spokesperson for V8. What? What? They just job. Could they 15 percent of

01:02:17.760 Joe Biden out on? They can do a lot. It's AI. It's AI. It's all the de-aging technology that they

01:02:26.740 used in films like the Irishman. You can use all those things. And Joe Biden could be viable for

01:02:31.900 another hundred years. He could be selling merchandise and products. Ice cream. I don't know. It could be.

01:02:37.420 I think it's a savvy deal. Ice cream, chocolate, chocolate chip. That's the only thing Joe Biden

01:02:40.560 was ever right about. I would say he's going to write a book. What if they got him on Shark

01:02:44.480 Tank or something? And he's like on one of those seats just like judging. Or the mass singer. What

01:02:50.400 about the mass singer? Oh, well, they would know it was Joe Biden when when he came out on stage

01:02:56.640 and they just started walking into the audience and muttered. Shuffle. He would do all. He will be the

01:03:01.960 new max headroom. He's going to make all his appearances that way. Sneakers walking across

01:03:07.200 the stage. I'm concerned. Walking across the stage. Good luck with that. Okay, let's see.

01:03:14.760 There's so much more to get to. I'm trying to get my arms around where to go next. Let's talk about

01:03:19.120 this USAID thing because that one's getting really interesting. So I think most Americans had never

01:03:25.720 even heard of this organization. If they've heard of it, they didn't know what it does. And I still am

01:03:29.320 not totally up to speed on what it does, but it appears to be a group that is overwhelmingly hard

01:03:36.060 left in terms of its employees and the people we staff it with and the people that then create

01:03:42.360 these NGOs to which this USAID then gives its money funneling to various causes that are very woke in

01:03:51.380 many cases like large LGBTQ and that kind of promotional stuff. The defenders say that's not

01:04:00.240 not all what it appears to be that some of those so-called woke projects in these dicey third world

01:04:05.860 countries are actually fronts for groups that will be democracy checks that will quietly organize,

01:04:16.180 you know, uh, democratic opposition to tyrants, that kind of thing. So it could be just, you know,

01:04:22.280 blatant manipulation of foreign governments under the auspices of, um, black lives matter. You know,

01:04:26.980 I don't know the truth, but what I do know is Elon is getting all sorts of bad press this week

01:04:33.380 because Doge is kicking the tires first of this organization. Like they're going to kick a lot of

01:04:38.420 tires of a lot of organizations, but they started with this one. And his conclusion was,

01:04:43.020 it wasn't just a matter of getting the bad worm out of the bad apple. It's the entire thing is

01:04:48.600 worms. There's no apple. There's no, absolutely no flesh of the fruit and the whole thing needs to go.

01:04:53.140 It's been shut down. Now. Everybody's been told you're on temporary leave, paid leave. Um, and only

01:04:59.100 the essential workers will be allowed back into the building. And we'll tell you by Thursday at three,

01:05:03.640 I think, whether you are an essential worker at USAID. And I, you know, when you look at like,

01:05:09.940 who's really objecting to this, it's all people we don't like, like Ilhan Omar's really upset about

01:05:14.540 it. So like, I'm, I'm, I'm already in favor of it. Um, and then I, I read today that Politico

01:05:20.460 somehow managed to get $8.1 million of USAID, uh, dollars. How'd that happen? I don't like we

01:05:27.700 heard the Megan and Kelly show hasn't, haven't taken one red cent from the federal government

01:05:30.840 when it's been offered and none's been taken, but what is that about? And how, if, if that's true,

01:05:36.020 how are they reporting objectively on any of this? Every, every news piece you hear about who

01:05:42.520 gets money from this group is disturbing. Um, we had the press secretary out there the other day

01:05:49.460 giving a list that was deeply disturbing. And then what we had today or yesterday was Democrats

01:05:54.500 outside of the treasury department protesting Elon, um, because they're very ticked off about this

01:06:00.580 and about him. And I just think they see an opportunity because Trump's so popular right now

01:06:05.540 to kick the right hand man, as opposed to the main man. But take a listen to what happened outside of

01:06:10.740 state in SOT 22. We have got to tell Elon Musk, nobody elected your ass. Oh, you want to use our

01:06:18.960 money to go to Mars? No, we want to use our money right here in Washington, DC. We will see you in the

01:06:27.000 courts, in Congress, in the streets. Elon Musk is a Nazi netball baby. We will not take this. We will

01:06:37.160 fight back. Fight back. Fight back. And as I close out, because I know we've been out here for a long

01:06:43.040 time, and God damn it, shut down the Senate. We are at war. I want to stand with you in this fight.

01:06:52.680 Oh, God. And we will win. We will win. We will win. We will win. No. We will win. No one's

01:07:02.840 joining him. No, Chuck. We won't rest. We won't win. I tried to try this new one. We won't rest.

01:07:13.640 No one's even mouthing it.

01:07:16.620 Dude, 90 days ago, you lost. What are you talking about? And I do love that the woman who's like,

01:07:23.500 they're like, we're at war. We got to shut down the city. It's like you represent Newark.

01:07:29.040 Newark. Newark and Orange, New Jersey, which have been shut down in that war for about

01:07:34.720 20 years now. So maybe a little closer to home. Good Lord. Let me clarify my political reporting.

01:07:41.680 Steve Krakauer, our EP, tells me that those $8.1 million are apparently employees or agencies

01:07:51.680 buying some very expensive subscription to Politico. It's not that Politico got grants or

01:07:58.700 other federal funding. Okay. So I don't totally understand the clarification.

01:08:01.580 And some of that, some $6.4 million of that happened under, during the Trump administration,

01:08:06.180 or like that's what the level was in Trump 1.0. It's still like, why, why is this happening?

01:08:12.360 The government should pay for this. I think one of the things that Elon Musk is doing right now as

01:08:17.080 installing Doge into the US digital services organization, which was started under Obama,

01:08:24.980 created under Obama to help like fix the problems with the Obamacare website, but then became this

01:08:30.740 sort of government deficiency thing. By doing that, he is sort of seeing how the machinery of

01:08:37.400 payments and tech happens with the government. This is sort of the difference between him and Vivek

01:08:43.680 Ramaswamy about what to do with Doge. Vivek, I think, was more concerned with executive orders

01:08:48.700 and looking for these kinds of efficiencies. And Musk is like, let me get inside the tech.

01:08:53.880 And we're seeing the fruits. And I was initially on the side of Vivek Ramaswamy's approach towards

01:08:58.900 this. We're seeing the fruits of the Musk approach this week. And part of this, from my point of view,

01:09:04.180 is not good just in the sense of you don't want to suddenly have the US not have its websites that

01:09:11.240 you can look up information about it from database sets and stuff. And also, you shouldn't

01:09:16.000 suspend payment of services that have already been given. However, part of it has been really good

01:09:22.020 in terms of people going, what? We pay for what now? Which organization? We've had a lot of listeners

01:09:29.860 in places like Poland and Hungary come back with reports of like, oh, that's interesting that this

01:09:35.500 magazine or this civil society opposition group suddenly is saying that we can't pay our employees

01:09:42.920 because the checks didn't come through from USAID. It's like, what are we actually funding out there?

01:09:48.400 I would point out USAID is 44, I think, billion dollars a year. The estimated cost to rebuild Gaza

01:09:54.600 is north of 80 billion dollars a year. So it's not necessarily about, you know, we're going to reduce

01:10:00.820 the size and scope of government just if we do this. However, it does show a thing that has existed

01:10:07.900 and has been kind of put on steroids since the time of George W. Bush and the faith-based initiative

01:10:14.920 programs. Government loves to give money to private charities, nonprofit groups, civil society groups.

01:10:22.360 And it does that a lot in big cities like New York. It also does this in overseas in ways that most

01:10:28.580 people are not aware of. And I think a lot of it is pretty skeevy. It ends up sort of rewarding your

01:10:32.720 political allies, allowing people to like have a job when their administration or with their political

01:10:38.440 team is kind of out of power. And a lot of it's gross. And so what Elon Musk is doing is sort of

01:10:44.340 giving a margin call, wake up call about the mechanics of that. And I think that is it is pretty

01:10:49.740 useful. You can't, I don't think, shut down USAID without having an act of Congress. It is

01:10:55.360 statutorily authorized by Congress twice. But I think, I think they have a very good argument

01:11:01.180 that they can all but defund it. There is an argument that they cannot, but having looked at

01:11:05.540 both arguments, I'm convinced they can all but defund it. And I also think I don't care that

01:11:11.000 they've made commitments to do these wacky things. They should stop. We're going to break our

01:11:15.560 commitments because they were bad commitments that were being done in silent to left-wing groups that

01:11:19.480 were not actually supported. Just listen here. Here's a double sought reaction from the White House

01:11:24.760 press secretary, listing some of the things we were paying for, and then Trump's description.

01:11:30.640 And here's the reason why Elon Musk and others have been taking a look. Because if you look at

01:11:34.680 the waste and abuse that has run through USAID over the past several years, these are some of the

01:11:40.200 insane priorities that that organization has been spending money on. $1.5 million to advance

01:11:46.360 DEI in Serbia's workplaces. $70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland. $47,000 for a

01:11:55.500 transgender opera in Colombia. $32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru. I don't know about

01:12:02.500 you, but as an American taxpayer, I don't want my dollars going towards this crap. And I know the

01:12:06.580 American people don't either. And that's exactly what Elon Musk has been tasked by President Trump

01:12:10.740 to do to get the fraud, waste and abuse out of our federal government. The first term, though,

01:12:14.720 USAID was something that you liked in some respects. I love the concept of it. Yeah,

01:12:19.220 that's a program. Sure. I love the concept, but they turned out to be radical left lunatics.

01:12:24.520 And the concept of it is good, but it's all about the people.

01:12:29.940 How about those initiatives? I got to say, I like, I mean, and Trump's right about this. I mean,

01:12:36.040 the concept in so many ways is good. I mean, you don't, you don't want like, you know, we're doing

01:12:40.760 DEI, Donson and Kark or something. I mean, I don't know what a DEI musical in Ireland is like. It's

01:12:46.900 a bunch of drunk people talking about how much they hate Protestants, but the great, the great

01:12:51.960 thing about it. I was in Poland last week and I was interviewing somebody and before the interview,

01:13:00.520 this very nice woman who was a judge. And she said to me, like, what do you think of Trump?

01:13:06.260 And she said that the program that she was a part of was just like defunded. And they're all panicking

01:13:11.700 about this. I was in Poland and I happened to meet somebody who had a USAID related thing defunded that

01:13:19.620 very day, which the odds of that should be very small. I mean, there are like what Trump said is

01:13:25.460 right in the sense that, you know, there is on paper a lot of goods. I mean, there are some actually

01:13:30.920 really good things that USAID does. I mean, particularly in Africa, where you also have

01:13:36.680 to compete with the Belt and Road initiative of the Chinese who are making their influence felt

01:13:41.900 all over the world. So that kind of influence is great. But here is the reason that we are

01:13:46.500 capitalists. Here is the reason that we are free market people. The problem with this stuff is there

01:13:51.280 is no oversight in government. If somebody was spending this sort of money in a private company

01:13:55.360 and you were losing money and you were like looking at your margins, you would fire the

01:13:59.280 whole department. You're like, what the hell are we doing this for? There's no one in government

01:14:02.700 to do that. So the instinct is right. Baby with the bathwater thing concerns me in a way

01:14:08.020 because there are good initiatives here. And it's like, it's all about going, we'll figure those

01:14:12.940 out. But line by line, getting rid of some of this crazy stuff is a positive because it's just

01:14:19.480 grown and grown and grown and people come to expect it as like their birthright. We can,

01:14:24.880 you know, it's USAID. We'll just apply. And I mean, as Matt said, yeah, it's not, they're not giving

01:14:29.360 money to Politico, but why the hell is the government spending $8 million of taxpayer money

01:14:34.600 on subscriptions? Are you kidding me? That's a good question. And honestly, like I look at this

01:14:40.260 and I think it's so bad. It's so egregious. Like we, there should be an investigation

01:14:46.000 into the people who allowed these expenses to begin with. And we absolutely need to pump the

01:14:52.260 brakes right now that we've discovered it. That's 100% the right thing to do. And to shut the people

01:14:57.360 out of the building who were responsible for it and who weren't waving flags about it. And what

01:15:01.600 they've said is that they'd really like to fold it into the state department. Now that, that may take

01:15:06.200 an act of Congress because it is an independent agency created by Congress. But right now, Marco Rubio

01:15:11.700 says he's been appointed the acting director. So that's good. And they're going to figure out

01:15:15.780 exactly what the expenditures are and which are worthy and which are not. Libs of TikTok had a

01:15:19.320 great tweet too, outlining some more of them. 2 million for Moroccan pottery classes, 2 million

01:15:24.700 promoting tourism to Lebanon, 20 million for a Sesame Street show in Iraq. Now I love Sesame Street,

01:15:31.100 but what? Sending Ukrainians to Paris Fashion Week? What? Goes on from there. Some of the ones,

01:15:39.220 $2 million for sex changes in Guatemala. Okay. I don't want to pay for those here in America. And I

01:15:45.360 really don't want to pay for them in Guatemala. So good for Elon. But to me, there's more going on

01:15:51.740 here. I think we'll get USAID straightened out, but there is an onslaught of attacks against Elon

01:15:58.580 Musk right now. And it seems like the Democrats smell blood in the water. They're like, this is

01:16:03.740 our chance for our first win. We're going to take out the unelected guy who's running around. They're

01:16:09.120 saying that he's trying to access classified files or files. He's not allowed to see at places like

01:16:14.280 USAID. Trump came out yesterday and said he hasn't seen, he's not allowed to see anything

01:16:18.280 that we don't permit him to see. So calm down. And then do we have the Harry Anton clip? Because he

01:16:24.340 was on CNN showing the disapproval of Elon. We'll have it in a second. But here's AOC first going off

01:16:35.140 about him. This dude is probably one of the most unintelligent billionaires I have ever met or seen

01:16:43.900 or witnessed. The danger of not being the lack of intelligence and the lack of expertise

01:16:52.100 that Elon has. I mean, this guy is one of the most morally vacant, but also

01:16:59.780 just

01:17:02.380 least knowledgeable about these systems that we really know of. But the point is, is that what

01:17:13.760 that means is that they're going to hit a button. Inevitably, they are going to hit a button and

01:17:21.400 things can go side. If you're going to make like Obamacare, literally rescuing astronauts stuck on

01:17:29.440 the International Space Station with his rockets right now. He's unintelligent. She says he's he's

01:17:35.560 literally working to solve paralysis with his Neuralink chip that goes in your brain and makes you

01:17:41.000 control a computer with your eyes. It's actually happening right now with actual human beings.

01:17:46.780 What is she? She's trying to sell us that he's dumb. She is trying to sell us that Elon is dumb.

01:17:54.080 It sounds smart when you're saying that the guy who can drop a rocket on a dime in the middle of Texas

01:17:59.760 is dumb. She sounds like a total moron when she's saying that. That is that is remarkable. Yeah.

01:18:07.040 I mean, Elon, Elon is clearly the most I think it's just like fairly true, the most consequential

01:18:14.760 entrepreneur of our lifetimes, perhaps. I mean, between Tesla and SpaceX alone, like that's a

01:18:20.880 pretty big deal. The potential for something like Neuralink is even more profound and quite frankly,

01:18:26.780 has just become this kind of cultural icon as well. At the same time, while he's raised his profile

01:18:32.420 on the political scene, there are moments where Elon is tweeting that I wish he would just kind of

01:18:37.660 pull back on the stick a little bit. There are moments where he's engaged in this kind of like

01:18:41.680 public hyperbole. I'm just like, dude, could you chill? Because when I look at what Doge aspires to

01:18:47.300 do, at least on paper, to the extent there is any kind of specific details about it, like it's hard for

01:18:52.580 me to get mad about that. Like being concerned, like radically obsessed even with cutting the size of

01:18:58.240 government, with reducing waste, is it's just a noble and sensible goal. And when I see what

01:19:03.920 they're actually doing so far, to the extent anyone knows what's going on, there's a bunch of young

01:19:08.480 kids with laptops or younger people with laptops, sometimes they get in trouble for using the word

01:19:12.820 kid, are showing up in meetings and they're asking questions and they're trying to look at code bases.

01:19:19.060 We don't actually know what the hell is going on. There is nothing that suggests to me that the level

01:19:23.660 of panic that has seized the Democratic Party and people who hate Donald Trump in general and

01:19:28.580 apparently Elon as well. There's nothing that seems to justify that at the moment. But I don't think

01:19:34.160 that the way that they're going about things and the kind of attempts at provocation around these

01:19:38.440 issues is necessarily like great for Elon. Maybe the Democrats kind of overstep and are way out over

01:19:44.460 their skis at the moment. He's being accused of committing all kinds of crimes and there's panic

01:19:49.740 because these kids know how to code and are maybe coding things. People should probably be more

01:19:55.220 panicked about the fact that the payment systems are written in these old, antiquated programming

01:20:00.320 languages. Nobody actually knows how any of this stuff works. It isn't well documented. The government

01:20:05.660 has the capacity to screw things up all on its own with its own, with its long-time experts and

01:20:11.200 long-time consultants. That is what they did with Obamacare. I'm not particularly frightened by

01:20:15.920 programmers showing up and taking a look at code and trying to assess how things work and if they

01:20:20.820 could be better. Why are we auditing Matt Taibbi with our IRS and no one's auditing USAID to figure

01:20:29.340 out why we're spending millions on Irish, what is it? Dances? I don't know. Like DEI dances.

01:20:36.340 It's lovely. You should come check it out, Kelly. You'll love it.

01:20:39.720 Why? If we're going to take a hard look at the Matt Taibbi's of the world, which was started under

01:20:46.660 Joe Biden, why can't we spend a sharp accountant for USAID? And the answers in both cases are

01:20:53.720 because these are political decisions, 100% political decisions. By the way, Trump should

01:20:58.520 drop that Matt Taibbi IRS thing and he should pull the feds off of James O'Keefe too. I find it very

01:21:04.580 disturbing. I mean, this seems to be some government slush fund that has gotten away with too long,

01:21:09.340 too much for too long. So Elon's starting here and this is because he's received nonstop negative

01:21:14.720 coverage. You watch the news, that's what you hear, the AOC soundbite. You hear him being talked

01:21:19.360 about like he's some sort of an idiot who wants to sneak in on all of our private files. Meanwhile,

01:21:23.880 it's like, what do I care? Do I really care whether Elon sees something like a, I don't know,

01:21:28.080 my social security number? I think he's good. I don't think we're in danger of identity theft.

01:21:32.280 He's set. He's not going to be doing the home title theft against the four of us. But okay,

01:21:39.220 fine. I don't want anybody snooping around, so it's fine. And he's not. But here you get the CNN,

01:21:46.300 like they aired this on the Harry Anton thing, just to make sure we all know people don't like him.

01:21:50.600 A key role for Musk in Trump's administration. You see this, 39% support, 53%, the clear majority

01:21:59.920 opposed. They don't want this. The American people don't want this. American folks simply put,

01:22:05.320 do not want Elon Musk having a key role in the Trump administration.

01:22:08.880 Elon Musk's net favorable rating, you know, back in 2016 when he was known as the SpaceX guy,

01:22:13.800 right? His net favorable rating was plus 29 points. By last year, pre-fall, he had dropped

01:22:20.400 all the way down to minus three as he began to take on more of a political role. Now look in 2025,

01:22:25.820 whoa, the bottom has fallen out, fallen out, minus 11 points. And it should be noted that Donald

01:22:32.780 Trump's own net favorable rating is closer to about a net zero. So Elon Musk at this particular point

01:22:39.960 is far more unpopular than Donald Trump is, who is at the apex of his popularity. In fact,

01:22:45.880 what we see with Elon Musk is he is at the trough of his popularity.

01:22:51.680 Harry should do some workouts.

01:22:53.380 Harry. Yeah. I want to defend Harry, by the way, who is great. And if you go back to clips,

01:22:59.700 he's a very straight shooter. I'll just be honest. Harry is a fantastic guy. And if you go back

01:23:03.540 during the last election, you could put together an amazing supercut of Harry giving hosts on CNN

01:23:11.500 news that they didn't want to hear all these numbers and they were like, is that real? And

01:23:15.860 he's like, yes, it's real. But again, that doesn't, that actually doesn't surprise me in the sense that

01:23:21.240 as you point out, Megan, there has been, and I have a huge number of issues with Elon Musk. And I think

01:23:27.960 there's things you have to guard against of a guy that has, you know, companies that have government

01:23:32.320 contracts being entangled with the government. You have to keep a close watch on these things.

01:23:37.060 I don't like his interactions with the AFD in Germany, et cetera, but the negative coverage

01:23:41.960 has been wildly disproportionate. And you see that on Tik TOK. You see it on Twitter, on Instagram,

01:23:47.800 everywhere I go, I see this stuff. So it doesn't surprise me in any way that those numbers have,

01:23:51.820 have collapsed because, you know, it was mostly positive coverage before, and this is just not

01:23:56.380 the case now. Well, they just spent two weeks telling us he did a Nazi salute. Right. And he's like,

01:24:01.980 yeah, that's pro Hitler. That one might hurt. Every, every word that's uttered about him is

01:24:05.980 negative in the news. And so it's actually kind of impressive that he's only minus 11. The guy who

01:24:09.860 runs around firing everybody doesn't tend to be popular. You know, remember that movie up in the

01:24:13.320 air? Is that what it was called? Is it up in the air? No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With George Clooney,

01:24:16.880 where he's firing everybody. Oh yeah. Am I confusing that one for the balloon one with the cute old man,

01:24:22.600 the cartoon? I think that's just up. That one is up. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

01:24:27.340 Up in the air was written by MAGA. Wasn't Up in the Air was written by MAGA stalwart Walter

01:24:32.620 Kern. Walter Kern. Yeah. Oh, really? Yes. Oh my gosh. He was a MAGA guy. Yes. Have him on.

01:24:37.820 I didn't know that. Yeah. I'm a fan of his. Well, by the way, this just in, Caroline Levitt,

01:24:42.840 White House press secretary. I was made aware of the funding from USAID to media outlets. This

01:24:47.280 just happened, including Politico, who I know has a seat in this room. I can confirm that the

01:24:53.400 more than 8 million taxpayer dollars that have gone to essentially subsidizing subscriptions to

01:24:58.120 Politico will no longer be happening. The Doge team is working on canceling those payments. Right

01:25:02.540 on, Caroline. This is like, this is wonderful. Who would be, other than Politico, opposed to this

01:25:08.920 kind of testing of what use is being made of our federal dollars? All right. I'm going to take a quick

01:25:13.740 break and then we're going to come back and then we're going to talk about the executive order coming

01:25:17.400 out from Team Trump today. And it is the thing that delivered the election to him. More with the

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01:27:17.220 Riley Gaines and Sia Lihili are in hot water over their transphobic comments. And I just got to say,

01:27:25.720 who cares if biological males play in women's sports? Just be inclusive. Could not agree more. This is

01:27:32.980 just a bunch of fear-mongering from right-wing bigots. She's a bigot. She's been a massive

01:27:36.860 distraction from her team with her hate-filled rhetoric. Sia is not inclusive. And males invading

01:27:44.000 women's sports isn't even a problem as far as I'm concerned. These female athletes just need to

01:27:56.400 work harder. And not blame others for their lack of success. As the captain, Sia is very much

01:28:05.840 responsible for these boycotts which have cost her team a playoff bid. Guess we'll see how Sia handles

01:28:10.880 all that pressure tonight. Great ad by our friend Jennifer Say and her XXXY

01:28:23.280 athletic wear brand. Love the clothing line and love what they stand for. They have the guts

01:28:28.400 and the balls the people over at Nike do not. And that message is right on. It's very timely and

01:28:35.660 they're thrilled, I'm sure, today because the Trump EO that is expected to happen at 3 p.m. today

01:28:43.480 is entitled Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports. It will ban transgender girls, meaning biological boys

01:28:51.660 and women, from participating in female sports events in schools and colleges. It will keep boys and men

01:28:59.180 out of girls and women's sports in schools and colleges. The Wall Street Journal reporting, we

01:29:06.260 haven't seen it yet, that it's not immediately clear exactly what the contents of the order

01:29:10.060 will entail. But one option is for President Trump to direct the Education Department to interpret

01:29:15.340 federal Title IX rules as barring the participation of boys pretending to be girls in female sports

01:29:23.160 categories. That's my phraseology. Of course, the Wall Street Journal was more PC.

01:29:26.820 In the face of such an order, likely affecting all but a handful of the National Collegiate

01:29:32.480 Athletic Association's 1,100 member schools, the NCAA has indicated that it will move rapidly

01:29:38.060 to change its rules, depending on what Trump issues today. The president of the NCAA saying,

01:29:44.540 we're a national governing body and we follow federal law. Clarity on this issue at the federal

01:29:48.460 level would be very helpful. So this is it, guys. I mean, Trump already issued an EO saying,

01:29:55.820 you cannot change genders. That's not a thing. Men are men, women are women, and that's the federal

01:30:01.480 government's policy. Get pronouns out of emails. Get any teaching that you can transition your sex

01:30:07.720 out of all federal agencies. We're not paying for any procedures through, you know, our Medicare

01:30:14.980 and so on. He's trying to use the tools he can to remove the public and the taxpayers from participating

01:30:23.800 in this ideology. And this is a huge, huge issue on which he has overwhelming support from a majority

01:30:32.440 of both parties, both parties, very high numbers against men posing as women participating in girls

01:30:39.580 sports. What do you make of it? It's an 80-20 issue. I once interviewed Rand Paul. It's like,

01:30:45.500 in politics is a search for 80-20 issues to be on the right side of. And he was using it at that time

01:30:51.040 talking about both foreign aid, U.S. foreign aid, and also in his opposition to the Syrian war back

01:30:58.160 when Barack Obama and John Kerry were drawing red lines. They wanted to intervene into Syria, but the

01:31:03.260 American public did not have an appetite for that back in 2013.

01:31:06.320 I predict that we're not going to hear much about this beginning in about 24 hours because precisely

01:31:13.200 it is an 80-20 issue. And also he does have broad authority under Title IX. Title IX, this is the

01:31:20.020 fourth successive presidency that has changed Title IX, the interpretation of Title IX, beginning with

01:31:26.400 Barack Obama disastrously, in my view, changing the due process requirements to adjudicate campus

01:31:32.420 sexual assault cases back in 2013, I think it was, or 14, which Trump, to his credit, changed back,

01:31:38.640 and then Biden changed back, and then Trump changed back. But Title IX is about, like, a big portion of

01:31:44.860 it is about women's sports in college. So it kind of makes sense to interpret it to have to do with

01:31:52.700 women. So because it's an 80-20 issue, because it's sort of been like a paper tiger, it's been based on

01:31:59.340 the pushing through these things has been based on people's silence in not taking the J.K. Rowling

01:32:05.800 approach, because it wasn't worth the hassle to raise your voice about it. Megan, I don't know if

01:32:11.680 you know that. Sometimes you get blowback if you bring this up in certain areas in the media. So I

01:32:17.720 think it's going to take place. It's not going to be challenged at all. I don't think legally,

01:32:22.060 there's not going to be a leg to stand on it. And people are going to take the L, just like the

01:32:27.060 removing pronouns very quietly from their Twitter bios. Totally disagree. It's beautiful.

01:32:31.840 Pete Buttigieg. Pete Buttigieg removed his pronouns from his Twitter bio. Bend the knee, sir. Bend it.

01:32:40.580 Hashtag, you have been part of the problem. I just want to tell you this. In that ad we played from

01:32:44.440 Jennifer Say, Riley Gaines was featured, along with Riley's younger sister, who I think is also a

01:32:49.800 competitive athlete. And they talked about Sia. Oh, Sia's a bigot. Sia this, Sia that. It's Sia

01:32:54.620 Lilly, who's featured a University of Nevada volleyball captain who spoke out against having

01:32:58.960 to compete against a trans athlete on the San Jose state team. That's a team whose captain

01:33:04.780 has come on this show to speak out about being forced to play next to a man pretending to be a

01:33:10.160 woman, being forced to share a locker room and a room on the road with a man pretending to be a

01:33:15.420 woman without the school even disclosing to her that the person they were rooming her with was

01:33:20.200 actually a man. And, um, it's, you know, like these people featured in there have put real skin

01:33:26.220 in the game and gotten hurt. I mean, I think Riley Gaines, she's actually been attacked. We know that

01:33:30.560 we saw that happen to her when she was trying to speak out about this on college campuses. After

01:33:34.280 the fact she was forced to disrobe and get naked in front of Leah Thomas walking around fully intact

01:33:40.480 male while these poor girls who were just trying to swim in the championship at the NCAA were trying

01:33:45.120 to hide their naked bodies from this guy. It's sick. So good luck to those who do want to protest

01:33:51.420 this, but here is how the Washington post has reacted. This order set to ricochet through school

01:33:58.260 districts and college campuses across the country. So they are acknowledging that this will have the

01:34:04.000 full effect of law. And then they quite quote the human rights campaign, a far left organization that

01:34:09.740 used to just stand for gay rights and equality that most people could get behind. And it's gone full

01:34:13.400 trans now. Totally abandoned the gay mission. They're totally all about the T and not the LGB.

01:34:18.920 While this order will target transgender youth specifically, blanket bans have negative impacts

01:34:25.220 on all girls. See, all girls are going to suffer now as a result of us keeping boys out of their sports.

01:34:33.380 Yeah. I just want to say when I said, I, I fully disagree with Matt on this. I mean,

01:34:37.620 the, the broader sense I agree, but, um, I don't think it's going to go away. And the reason I don't

01:34:42.920 think it's going to go away and disappear in the media is because it's an 80 20 issue in the media

01:34:47.000 in the other direction. Um, there's a reason that everyone's shocked. These are issues that,

01:34:52.880 that the voters are like, no, we're not on the same page. But if you go back and look

01:34:57.020 at the development of this issue, how it came, I always point out the word BIPOC. There was a moment

01:35:03.200 when someone created this acronym for, uh, was it by, I can't remember a black indigenous person of

01:35:11.220 college person. And it came out of nowhere and everyone started using it because they were

01:35:15.020 afraid. They were like, this, Oh, I guess this is what we do now. And this was the same thing that

01:35:18.900 happened with JK Rowling when it was like, we're going to have a Harry Potter, like reunion on HBO

01:35:24.500 and not even going to invite the woman who created the franchise. Because do you think that the people

01:35:29.860 within HBO, sure. Some of the younger employees I'm sure did, but I know for a fact, a lot of those

01:35:35.240 people up top were just doing things because they were fearful of being accused and being attacked

01:35:41.020 in the way you have and other people have. So like, I think that it's going to keep going because those

01:35:46.260 people who make those attacks are all, you know, inhabit the media. And the other thing that I was

01:35:52.020 surprised about in this, uh, is it, it doesn't go the other way is that I want it a ban also of, uh,

01:35:59.800 biological women competing in men's sports because there's no difference in gender where it's a, it's

01:36:04.740 a social construct. So presumably it goes both ways. And we want to make sure that there are

01:36:09.480 biological women, not beating men in sports that they're better at them at because, you know, it's

01:36:15.220 all the same. There's no such thing. Literally never happened, but sure. I'm fine with that too.

01:36:19.280 I don't think so. We cover this subject a lot, but I will say a quick clarification that human

01:36:23.960 rights campaign quote is just from HRC. It wasn't in the Washington post. Um, but in related news,

01:36:29.280 you guys, Trump signed the EO was it yesterday? Um, saying we're not the, any hospital that takes

01:36:37.800 federal funds is not doing gender transition procedures on minors, not puberty blockers,

01:36:43.580 not cross-sex hormones, not surgeries. If you take federal funds, if you take Medicare,

01:36:46.900 you take Medicaid F off, you cannot do these procedures on minors. And that is how the federal

01:36:53.220 government can put pressure on hospitals and other medical facilities to stop with the constant

01:36:58.700 chopping off of little boys penises as part of some weird vanity project by in some cases,

01:37:04.620 their parents, in some cases, a bizarre and deranged medical establishment or psychologist

01:37:10.080 who gets involved. And you, we showed yesterday, the weird Cynthia Nixon protest out of NYU Langone in

01:37:16.500 New York, because they denied puberty blockers to two 12 year olds who'd been scheduled to get the

01:37:21.440 injection in their arm. And now today we get follow-up reporting. Listen to this, um,

01:37:27.080 via the cut, they go through the appropriately titled in this case, offshoot of New York magazine,

01:37:32.360 the cut talks about reaction from trans parents, father of a 15 year old stockpiled a year's worth

01:37:40.140 of meds for his child after the election. There's nothing more important in her life. And he has a boy

01:37:46.840 than having this care. We've known she was trans since she was two and a half. The mood in our home

01:37:54.760 has been brutal since the election. We're an all queer family. I'm a trans person myself. He adds,

01:37:59.620 I'm very angry with a lot of despair. This is abuse. This sick person is abusing his two and a half

01:38:05.540 year old and president Trump just shut it down. And he won't get praised by anyone in the mainstream for

01:38:11.060 it, but he may have saved that child's life. You guys. I mean, I think it's, it's important to just,

01:38:17.420 and we don't have the executive order yet, but what I'll say briefly is, as Matt pointed out,

01:38:20.980 like we've seen this go back and forth a bunch and the attempts to try and kind of dictate exactly what

01:38:26.780 the culture will be or how it will work through executive orders is probably a fraught project.

01:38:32.700 The best you can hope for in a certain circumstance like that is a kind of reprieve from whatever kind of,

01:38:38.420 uh, uh, social craziness is happening at the moment. So I think folks have to really acknowledge

01:38:43.820 that there are limits on what Donald Trump can do here. And I don't know that the actual precedent

01:38:49.180 that currently exists where you get into office and you just pass a bunch of executive orders

01:38:53.040 reversing the thing that happened right before you were in office, that can't be the status quo that

01:38:57.560 we actually want here. And moving back to the universe of pluralism. We had on Senator Tuberville

01:39:03.440 just this week. He tried, he's introduced even with a Republican controlled Senate to get the

01:39:09.780 protection of women and girls in sports act. And John Thune won't bring it to the floor for a vote.

01:39:15.100 And we don't know why they said they only want to bring the ones that we can actually have pass,

01:39:18.520 have pass. They don't, they don't have 60 votes to get a cloture. We'll get them on the record,

01:39:22.500 get, let embarrass them, start building the case. You're right. We cannot live or die by executive

01:39:27.000 order, but at least it's a start. And one final thing, keep in mind that Tish James told these

01:39:33.980 hospitals, that's the attorney general of New York, to ignore the Trump executive order that

01:39:38.980 she said that yesterday and I think repeated it again today. So she does that at her own peril

01:39:43.340 because there's a Supreme court case being decided right now that takes up that very argument.

01:39:48.020 You know, is this some sort of a sex discrimination or an equal protection problem? Because that's what

01:39:51.980 she's arguing. She's saying, if you do it, you'll violate our laws that make this kind of

01:39:56.820 thing discriminatory. If you won't give these kids this treatment. And then you've got the feds

01:40:01.620 saying you can't do it. So the Supreme court's already got that in front of them. She's going

01:40:05.000 to lose. We saw the arguments. She's going to lose that bit by bit. We're making progress on this

01:40:10.060 issue and God bless president Trump for spearheading it. You guys are the greatest. Thanks for being here

01:40:14.600 tomorrow. Andrew Klavan. Don't miss that. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS,

01:40:21.640 no agenda and no fear.

01:40:26.820 You're welcome.

01:40:31.760 Thank you.

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 05, 2025

Trump Floats America Taking Over Gaza, Major Girls' Sports Executive Order, and Celebrating Episode 1,000, with The Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 1000

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