The Megyn Kelly Show - May 30, 2024


Trump Found Guilty in New York： Megyn Kelly Gives Her Instant Reaction and Analysis


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Former President Bill Clinton has been found guilty on all 34 counts in a case that should have been dismissed because of falsified business records. Megynkelly reacts to the verdict and calls for a Supreme Court review of the case.

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00:00:00.360 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.460 This is ridiculous.
00:00:16.240 What a sad day.
00:00:18.820 The country's been disgraced.
00:00:20.940 That's what's happened.
00:00:23.160 Alvin Bragg and this judge have disgraced the country.
00:00:26.940 We made it, what, almost 250 years without doing this.
00:00:32.820 And now, because of falsified business records, we've convicted, as a felon, a former president of the United States.
00:00:43.980 You don't think we could have done something like this to Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton or others?
00:00:50.660 We had a standard.
00:00:52.620 We didn't do this in America.
00:00:54.180 We aren't a banana republic, or at least we didn't used to be.
00:00:59.500 And don't forget what's happened in this Trump case in which he's now been found guilty of all 34 counts against him, which was overcharged to begin with.
00:01:08.500 It shouldn't have been a case at all.
00:01:10.140 And once charged, it should have been one count.
00:01:12.200 The whole case boils down to the same alleged scheme, but they stretched it into 34 counts by saying, and that check, and that check, and that invoice, and that invoice, it was all part of your scheme.
00:01:26.960 So now he looks like Al Capone convicted on these 34 counts.
00:01:30.840 But the idea all along was to stop him from becoming president again.
00:01:39.160 That's the idea behind this prosecution.
00:01:42.020 That is the idea behind Letitia James bankrupting his company that he built, and along with his dad from the ground up in New York, the city that just turned on him.
00:01:52.440 That was the idea behind E. Jean Carroll and her sexual assault case brought 30 years after the fact, alleging a sexual assault slash rape in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room, a case she couldn't even remember the year of the alleged rape in.
00:02:11.680 And that's the idea behind Fannie Willis and Jack Smith times two.
00:02:18.440 Stop it.
00:02:19.720 Stop him.
00:02:21.480 Stop Trump.
00:02:22.680 Why did they wait?
00:02:24.580 Why didn't these cases come until right before the presidential election?
00:02:28.280 The Democrats have been wringing their hands.
00:02:30.660 Wasn't in time.
00:02:32.120 We're not going to be able to call him a convicted felon unless you speed these things up.
00:02:35.440 The judge in the D.C. January 6th case saying, I'll rush back.
00:02:42.500 I'll come back from my European vacation.
00:02:44.140 Don't you worry.
00:02:45.160 If we get Supreme Court opinions allowing my case to go forward with Jack Smith, I'll be there.
00:02:50.480 We've heard about the concern that Fannie Willis, her case is going up in appeal, but she's going to try to find some way to pedal to the metal it.
00:02:57.200 But we've heard even in that January 6th case before Judge Chetkin, there may be a plan to try to get him tried even after he wins.
00:03:07.840 If he wins in November, we could have a trial of the president elect in an effort to get him another conviction so they could convince electors to be unfaithful on January 6th of 2025.
00:03:24.340 This whole scheme, and here it is the proper word, is corrupt.
00:03:32.560 It's a before and after moment for America.
00:03:35.960 What just happened today is a line we can't uncross.
00:03:41.400 And these Democrats will rue the day they decided to use lawfare to stop a presidential candidate.
00:03:51.700 I'm not talking about violence.
00:03:53.540 I'm talking about tit for tat.
00:03:56.700 You just wait and it won't be Hunter Biden the next time.
00:04:01.920 It's going to be Joe Biden.
00:04:03.820 It could potentially still be Barack Obama.
00:04:07.020 It could still potentially be Hillary Clinton. 0.99
00:04:09.880 We're going to have to look at what the statutes of limitations are on the various crimes they surely committed.
00:04:15.600 We're going to have to look at passing laws to revive those dead crimes, felonies or misdemeanors so that those cases can be brought out of time.
00:04:27.180 That what that's what may be in the interest of justice, just like they did for E.
00:04:32.040 Jean Carroll with a New York state law that was passed so that she could sue him. 0.82
00:04:38.900 That's what happened.
00:04:41.620 Turn about is fair play.
00:04:43.460 And John Yoo, an amazing lawyer who worked in the Bush administration, Department of Justice, has a great piece out today talking about how that's the only way they'll learn.
00:04:55.900 The only way to save the republic now is to give them a taste of their own medicine.
00:05:01.220 That's it.
00:05:03.260 That's it.
00:05:04.800 They tasted blood today.
00:05:07.420 They're the wolves with the bloody piece of meat in their mouths.
00:05:11.440 That doesn't stop the wolf from coming back for more.
00:05:14.740 The only thing that will stop him is if he loses a limb of his own.
00:05:19.480 And I'm sorry, but the Democrats started this game in the same way the Republicans upped the ante when it came to, for example, the filibuster fight.
00:05:27.660 The Democrats got rid of it for lower court judges.
00:05:30.240 Mitch McConnell said you will rue the day because we're going to be in control of this chamber one day and you're going to lose the filibuster at the higher level court and you'll be sorry.
00:05:39.680 That's what needs to happen here.
00:05:41.660 Who's getting indicted next?
00:05:43.540 Joe Biden?
00:05:44.500 Maybe Jill Biden. 0.98
00:05:46.160 How low can we go?
00:05:49.020 You may not want to see it.
00:05:51.780 That that ship has already left port.
00:05:54.660 That horse has left the barn.
00:05:56.920 That's where we're going.
00:05:58.000 So before you celebrate too much over at MSNBC and CNN who are positively gleeful, gleeful over this absurd conviction, you wait and ask yourself, ask yourself, what kind of Pandora's box has been opened here?
00:06:16.120 Here was President Trump moments after the guilty verdict today.
00:06:19.600 This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt.
00:06:30.460 It's a rigged trial, a disgrace.
00:06:33.740 They wouldn't give us a venue change.
00:06:35.880 We were at 5 percent or 6 percent in this district, in this area.
00:06:41.780 This was a rigged, disgraceful trial that the real verdict is going to be November 5th by the people.
00:06:51.620 And they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here.
00:06:55.640 You have a sore respect, DA, and the whole thing.
00:07:00.020 We didn't do a thing wrong.
00:07:01.460 I'm a very innocent man, and it's okay.
00:07:06.420 I'm fighting for our country.
00:07:07.620 I'm fighting for our Constitution.
00:07:09.580 Our whole country is being rigged right now.
00:07:12.120 This was done by the Biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent.
00:07:20.000 And I think it's just a disgrace.
00:07:23.500 And we'll keep fighting.
00:07:24.560 We'll fight till the end, and we'll win because our country's gone to hell.
00:07:28.720 We don't have the same country anymore.
00:07:30.840 We have a divided mess.
00:07:32.880 We're a nation in decline, serious decline.
00:07:35.620 Millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists. 0.97
00:07:44.220 And they're taking over our country. 0.76
00:07:46.280 We have a country that's in big trouble.
00:07:48.440 But this was a rigged decision right from day one with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case.
00:07:56.100 Never.
00:07:57.180 And we will fight for our Constitution.
00:07:59.560 This is long from over.
00:08:00.700 Thank you very much.
00:08:02.080 Good for him.
00:08:03.840 Long from over is absolutely right. 0.99
00:08:06.140 This will be reversed.
00:08:08.080 It will be reversed.
00:08:09.900 This will not stand.
00:08:11.080 Mark my words.
00:08:12.240 Even in a New York appellate court system that is weighted with Democrats on the bench.
00:08:15.940 The highest court in New York is called the Court of Appeals.
00:08:19.560 It's not completely corrupt.
00:08:21.400 It just overturned the conviction of Harvey Weinstein because he wasn't given a fair trial.
00:08:27.160 They are capable of reaching a rational decision.
00:08:29.860 And if they're not, this could be appealed up higher still to the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:08:34.120 There were state constitutional violations here, and there were federal constitutional violations here.
00:08:39.860 Let me ask you a question for those of you sitting at home who listen to this show.
00:08:43.700 What was the underlying crime?
00:08:46.340 What did the jury find Trump was trying to cover up with this falsified business record?
00:08:53.040 Was it federal election campaign law violations?
00:08:56.740 Was it tax law violations?
00:09:00.260 Was it additional business records violations?
00:09:02.420 Do you know?
00:09:03.560 No, you don't.
00:09:04.680 Neither do I.
00:09:05.700 No one knows.
00:09:07.040 Neither does Donald Trump.
00:09:08.200 Good luck.
00:09:08.620 Good luck's filing your appeal.
00:09:11.120 He's in the same position he was in when he had to stand up first and argue the closing argument before he had even heard the prosecution's theory of the case.
00:09:17.800 Now he's got to go up to the appellate court and try to guess.
00:09:20.400 Gee, I don't really know what I've been found guilty of.
00:09:23.040 I guess falsifying business records through unlawful means and the unlawful means were...
00:09:29.060 I don't know.
00:09:33.820 I don't know.
00:09:34.940 We're not sure if the jurors took door number one, door number two, or door number three.
00:09:38.780 That's the position he's in.
00:09:40.380 Alvin Bragg ran for office on a promise to get Trump.
00:09:47.920 A Soros-backed DA who doesn't want to enforce the criminal law against anyone.
00:09:54.400 That's why we were all leaving New York in droves because of his policies and the policies of his old boss, the old mayor in New York.
00:10:04.760 And this guy promised, if you elect me, I'll get him.
00:10:11.220 Remember this?
00:10:12.280 When I was in the AG's office, I sued Trump over 100 times for his administration's misconduct and brought a case against the Trump Foundation and held him accountable.
00:10:21.220 I'm the candidate in the race who has the experience with Donald Trump.
00:10:25.140 I was the chief deputy in the attorney general's office.
00:10:28.180 We sued the Trump administration over 100 times.
00:10:31.060 I know how to litigate with him.
00:10:33.480 I also led the team that did the Trump Foundation case.
00:10:36.340 So I'm ready to go wherever the facts take me.
00:10:39.080 It'd be hard to argue with the fact that that'd be the most important, most high-profile case.
00:10:43.580 And I've seen him up front and seen the lawlessness that he can do.
00:10:46.320 So I do have a lot of experience with the former president.
00:10:49.840 I think it's important to elect someone who is well-prepared to pick up wherever the sitting district attorney leaves off.
00:10:56.740 If brought would be one of the most consequential cases in the history of local enforcement, and we need someone who's ready on day one.
00:11:03.380 He should be disbarred.
00:11:07.420 He should be disbarred.
00:11:08.580 That's how much damage he's done to the justice system.
00:11:11.640 That guy, moments after the verdict was read, tweeting out,
00:11:15.940 Today, a jury found Donald J. Trump guilty in all caps.
00:11:19.720 He's so excited.
00:11:21.080 On all, all caps again, 34 felony counts.
00:11:25.780 You go, guy.
00:11:27.120 You must be so happy you lived up to your campaign promises.
00:11:29.900 I'll give you that one hell of a politician, one shitty prosecutor whose obligation is to uphold the rule of law and to seek justice, justice, not just convictions.
00:11:41.840 That's what you're after.
00:11:43.160 Just convictions in the case of Donald Trump.
00:11:45.380 That's all I want.
00:11:46.560 Just give me the big C so I can get him like I promised.
00:11:50.420 He's so proud today, just like the AG in New York is so proud of bankrupting Trump's business or doing her level best.
00:11:57.900 And we could go on.
00:11:59.900 FYI, at this hour, Trump's donation website has crashed.
00:12:05.780 You can feel, you can feel the number of people going there to pony up dough they didn't think they had.
00:12:13.500 They thought they had given their last donation.
00:12:16.400 People are hurting right now.
00:12:17.860 There's tons of inflation thanks to Joe Biden and other problems that we're all suffering.
00:12:22.820 They're donating.
00:12:23.660 And I'm sure it's by the tens of million.
00:12:27.400 This will be a financial windfall for the Trump campaign and arguably for America.
00:12:33.360 This jury, the jury of the American voters, will be heard on November 5th.
00:12:40.880 They will have the final word.
00:12:43.260 And in the meantime, Donald Trump will hear the term convicted felon every day, everywhere he goes.
00:12:51.560 The sentencing will not take place until July 11th.
00:12:59.480 That is four days before the Republican National Convention.
00:13:04.660 That's the big event.
00:13:05.780 They have the balloon drop.
00:13:08.780 The candidate's family shows up.
00:13:11.560 It gets the party excited for their nominee.
00:13:15.120 Like, what's his vision of the country versus the other guys?
00:13:19.140 How could he help my life?
00:13:21.800 What might he do that could make things better for my kids versus what the other guys promising?
00:13:26.380 Let me hear the platform.
00:13:28.540 Let me hear your surrogates. 0.73
00:13:30.020 Let me hear you and what you stand for.
00:13:33.120 And instead, they've decided to corrupt it.
00:13:36.840 This judge, of course, of course he has.
00:13:40.040 By saddling Trump with his sentencing four days before it starts.
00:13:43.420 One week before he accepts the Republican nomination for president of the United States.
00:13:49.060 He'll be sitting in a New York courtroom and there is a decent chance he's going to be wearing an ankle bracelet.
00:13:55.500 I don't think Trump's going to get jail time.
00:13:59.140 I've said that from the beginnings.
00:14:00.820 Garagos took me on on that.
00:14:02.120 He said anybody not named Trump would.
00:14:04.140 I don't think he's going to get jail time.
00:14:07.660 But it's not outside the realm of possibility.
00:14:10.180 Not with this judge.
00:14:12.140 Not with this DA.
00:14:14.040 Both sides have to submit their recommendations.
00:14:16.600 What they believe should happen.
00:14:18.280 That's going to happen by, I think, June 13th.
00:14:22.020 And what do you think this DA is going to seek?
00:14:24.420 Do you think the DA is going to say?
00:14:25.740 Released on his own recognizance, community service.
00:14:28.640 What do you think he's going to recommend?
00:14:30.660 And this Judge Mershon has done everything Alvin Bragg has asked him to.
00:14:35.560 Everything.
00:14:36.580 Alvin Bragg won 99.99% of the motion practice in front of this judge.
00:14:43.500 I mean, I don't think Trump is getting jail time, but I am not so certain I can predict it sitting here tonight.
00:14:53.200 So the sentencing, July 11th.
00:14:57.200 In the meantime, reporting here from CNBC, Trump will be free to speak to the press, travel, and continue his presidential campaign.
00:15:06.720 He will no longer be bound by the gag order.
00:15:09.040 Oh, that's sweet.
00:15:10.620 That barred him from discussing witnesses, jurors, and the judge's family members.
00:15:15.060 She must be so thrilled, the judge's daughter, who's making tens of millions of dollars off of her own Get Trump campaign for people like Adam Schiff.
00:15:23.420 She must be absolutely joyous tonight.
00:15:25.200 Can you imagine the dinner they're having in the merchant household? 0.98
00:15:28.420 Judge Mershon and his rich daughter, who's getting even richer by the second thanks to this verdict.
00:15:33.040 He should have been disqualified.
00:15:36.000 He should not have presided over this case.
00:15:39.280 The appeal will be filed, of course, and it will take months, if not years.
00:15:45.000 I mean, months, if not years.
00:15:47.180 You know how they rushed this case?
00:15:48.440 They rushed the January 6th case once he filed it, once Jack Smith actually filed it.
00:15:52.880 Now everybody's in a rush.
00:15:54.560 They're not going to be in a rush to resolve that appeal.
00:15:56.900 Not the one that's going to take away the convicted felon label.
00:16:00.100 Oh, no.
00:16:00.420 The Biden campaign has responded to the verdict by encouraging people to vote.
00:16:09.480 The Biden White House, so far, has released only the following statement through a spokesman.
00:16:15.920 Quote, we respect the rule of law and have no additional comment.
00:16:19.120 No, you don't.
00:16:20.360 It's a lie.
00:16:21.800 You don't.
00:16:23.420 It's your Department of Justice that's brought the two most serious cases against Donald Trump,
00:16:28.100 the ones that actually could land him in jail.
00:16:29.780 Well, that's because of you.
00:16:32.120 And by the way, we know that you coordinated with Fannie Willis in her case against him, too.
00:16:37.040 We know that you were putting pressure on Merrick Garland.
00:16:39.180 You were upset that he took so long to actually indict the cases.
00:16:42.560 We know that.
00:16:44.340 You're not.
00:16:45.560 You don't respect the rule of law.
00:16:47.400 You've shat all over it.
00:16:49.120 That's what you did.
00:16:49.780 And we know it now.
00:16:52.540 The.
00:16:56.440 I'm just I'm just looking back at my notes here as I go on.
00:17:00.140 Trump said it was rigged.
00:17:03.100 And the people over on MSNBC freaked out that he said that word because they associate it now with Trump's electoral claims that he denied.
00:17:11.480 Joe Biden actually won.
00:17:12.660 This case was rigged.
00:17:16.200 It was rigged.
00:17:18.120 Against Donald Trump.
00:17:19.080 And there was ruling after ruling after ruling that would show you that.
00:17:22.680 I'll just give you a couple.
00:17:24.160 All right.
00:17:24.360 This judge allowed in the fact that David Pecker of AMI, the National Enquirer, had a non-prosecution agreement with the feds around election fraud claims, election campaign donation claims.
00:17:39.760 He allowed David Pecker to testify to that.
00:17:41.900 Never should have happened.
00:17:43.080 Total, totally unfairly prejudicial to the defendant.
00:17:46.220 The jury was left with the impression that he was guilty of this scheme.
00:17:49.860 So Donald Trump must be, too.
00:17:50.820 So Michael Cohen, same thing, was allowed to testify that he pleaded guilty and served time.
00:17:57.180 Wasn't really for this crime, but that he did plead guilty to same thing, violating federal election campaign finance law.
00:18:05.140 The jury never should have been allowed to hear that.
00:18:07.940 The prosecutor argued it over and over and over.
00:18:11.240 He mentioned it so many times in his closing and elsewhere to the point where finally the judge had to issue a limiting instruction to the jury saying,
00:18:18.780 Eh, you're not really allowed to consider that, those agreements and those plea deals, to decide whether Trump is guilty.
00:18:25.600 It's technically just to assess the credibility of these witnesses.
00:18:29.100 But let me just tell you how bass-ackwards that is.
00:18:31.840 The way those agreements, a guilty plea, would typically come in against a testifying witness is by the defense attorney.
00:18:38.920 The defense attorney who wants to poke holes in the story would get up there and say, you're a damn criminal, Michael Cohen.
00:18:45.240 You pleaded guilty to this.
00:18:46.900 Or you, David Pecker, you'd be in jail right now if you hadn't signed this prosecution agreement.
00:18:51.160 The defense would normally do that to attack somebody's credibility.
00:18:54.560 Here, the prosecution brought it in on direct of their own witnesses.
00:19:00.960 Why?
00:19:01.220 Because they knew the defense would never do that.
00:19:05.640 They had enough ways to poke holes in the testimony of those two men, and it would have been far too prejudicial to Trump to bring it up.
00:19:12.140 So the prosecution brought it up on its own, and it never should have been allowed.
00:19:18.260 At the same time, the judge barred Brad Smith, Trump's campaign finance expert, the former commissioner of the FEC, which has exclusive jurisdiction to pursue claims for violations of federal campaign finance law, barred his testimony as unnecessary.
00:19:36.520 Reduced Donald Trump, if you're going to put him on at all, to letting him define a couple of terms, rendering him totally useless and pointless.
00:19:43.420 So they didn't call him.
00:19:45.260 The jury would have been confused.
00:19:46.420 Why did he get up there, define four terms, and get down?
00:19:50.000 So he sent the jury into that room with Michael Cohen's and David Peckers and the prosecutors understanding a federal election law.
00:19:58.880 That's it.
00:20:00.140 Are you shocked?
00:20:01.400 You're shocked that they, when they got in there with no counterbalance, said, yeah, it sounds like he did it.
00:20:05.820 Look at those other guys.
00:20:06.960 They're guilty of it.
00:20:08.900 Time and time again.
00:20:11.000 Stormy Daniels.
00:20:12.340 Wait, we did it without a condom.
00:20:14.500 Yeah.
00:20:14.860 I'm suddenly a Me Too victim.
00:20:18.360 He allowed it all.
00:20:19.720 Go on.
00:20:21.200 He, they tried to stop it at the front.
00:20:23.560 He said, no, she can do it.
00:20:24.740 She can testify.
00:20:25.840 Then in the middle, she gets salacious and disgusting. 0.62
00:20:28.920 And he calls a sidebar saying, why didn't you object more to the Trump team?
00:20:32.960 Okay, fine.
00:20:33.400 She should have objected more.
00:20:34.800 You just told them they could do all of this.
00:20:38.400 Right?
00:20:38.760 It's like you, you allowed it all.
00:20:40.640 You greenlit it.
00:20:41.380 It happened.
00:20:41.920 And then you blame the defense for not being more vocal while it was happening.
00:20:45.440 That's on you, Judge Mershon.
00:20:47.260 You did that.
00:20:48.820 There wasn't an objection.
00:20:50.660 That the prosecution raised that he didn't sustain.
00:20:56.900 I mean, if you watch, if you'll read the jury transcripts, it's just ridiculous the number
00:21:00.200 of times he ceded the floor to the prosecution and dumped all over the defense.
00:21:05.580 What he did to Costello, I know he was angry.
00:21:08.860 Costello wasn't a good witness.
00:21:10.360 Trump insisted on calling him.
00:21:11.560 That was clear.
00:21:12.520 He only called two witnesses.
00:21:13.500 He was the only substantive one.
00:21:15.160 And Costello didn't like the judge and behaved kind of badly.
00:21:18.000 And the judge chose to humiliate him and throw a temper tantrum and clear the courtroom
00:21:21.940 and basically telegraphed to the jury that he didn't like him and didn't believe him.
00:21:26.620 And guess what happened then?
00:21:27.980 He wasn't even mentioned in the defense's closing argument.
00:21:31.720 Right?
00:21:32.080 It didn't go well.
00:21:33.300 And the judge saw to it.
00:21:34.920 That it wouldn't go well because he couldn't man up when Costello behaved poorly as a witness
00:21:41.740 with the side eye and some mumbling under his breath in response to the judge's comments.
00:21:50.420 Trump's team made mistakes, and that's without question.
00:21:54.480 Without question.
00:21:56.340 He should have not admitted the affair with Stormy.
00:21:59.640 That wasn't necessary.
00:22:00.520 But he should have stipulated for the purposes of trial, let's assume something did take place.
00:22:08.640 The defendant denies it, but doesn't see it as relevant to this case.
00:22:12.880 We agree.
00:22:14.020 I think the prosecution would have taken that.
00:22:15.940 The whole argument is not over whether he had the one-nighter with her.
00:22:19.060 The arguments over whether he entered into a scheme to shut these women up who were threatening him.
00:22:25.520 He had denied that he had an affair with her from the beginning, and he felt the need to continue denying it, even in the legal case.
00:22:32.460 Because this is one time where Trump, the guru of seeing things and landing it, even though everybody criticizes him for the decision-making.
00:22:40.760 Then after the fact, you're like, oh my God, he was right.
00:22:42.900 He wasn't right here.
00:22:44.380 This is one time he wasn't right.
00:22:46.620 He shouldn't have done that.
00:22:48.260 It was not necessary to open the door to her testimony.
00:22:51.580 They didn't object to half of those jury instructions.
00:22:56.740 They didn't object to the definition in there of campaign finance violations.
00:23:02.000 My God.
00:23:03.400 What?
00:23:04.560 They let the jury go back there thinking that what was in Donald Trump is the governing standard.
00:23:10.280 What was in Donald's head is the governing standard on figuring out whether somebody violated election law.
00:23:14.740 Was it mostly for the campaign?
00:23:16.540 Okay, well, then it might have been.
00:23:17.700 No, that's not the standard.
00:23:19.200 The standard is what's the nature of the payment?
00:23:21.740 Is it the kind of payment that could ever be made for anything other than to advance a campaign?
00:23:26.680 And if the answer is, sure it is.
00:23:28.160 It could be used in a number of different circumstances like a hush money payment.
00:23:31.660 Then it's not a campaign finance situation.
00:23:35.360 Brad Smith would have said that had he been given the chance.
00:23:38.740 The judge did not understand the law and his jury instructions reflect that.
00:23:45.540 The days to come will include over-the-top reactions by the media.
00:23:50.420 Already, we're getting things like Ellie Mistal, who writes for The Nation, who's on Joy Reid's show every night.
00:23:57.320 Absolute racist, this man.
00:23:59.340 Convicted felons don't get to vote.
00:24:02.260 Ah-ha.
00:24:02.780 Okay.
00:24:05.920 He may not be able to vote, but his supporters sure can.
00:24:09.700 And if I know the country, and I think I do, I don't think there's anything you can do to stop the Trump voters now.
00:24:18.180 I mean, I think as much as MAGA was prepared to vote for Trump before, and even disaffected Republicans who might not love Trump, they're going to run to the polls now.
00:24:29.800 They're going to run to the polls now.
00:24:31.660 The question that we have in the coming days and weeks is what about those groups of Republican voters who voted for Joe Biden the last time, who were starting to come home, who were going to overlook some of Trump's personality ticks that make him less than appealing to a large number of, in particular, women, who were starting to give him another look.
00:24:57.080 And that, folks, I don't know the answer to.
00:25:01.920 Independents, if you believe the polling, large numbers of them said convicted felon could change it for me.
00:25:09.100 Even some 20 to 30 percent of the Republican base, when polled, said convicted felon might change it for me.
00:25:16.520 I don't believe it.
00:25:18.380 I don't believe it.
00:25:19.720 Not here.
00:25:20.500 Not off this BS.
00:25:21.600 But you can't underestimate the media and their constant drumbeat that we're going to get.
00:25:29.300 We're going to get over and over and over again convicted felon, convicted felon, convicted felon.
00:25:34.900 How is Trump going to get any oxygen, you know, for his message?
00:25:41.300 I don't know where this lands.
00:25:43.180 If I have to predict, I say Trump gets no jail time and gets a reversal on appeal, but it comes too late, well past the presidential election.
00:25:57.380 You've got Tish James of New York, the AG, tweeting out, no one is above the law.
00:26:03.980 Really?
00:26:04.460 He was treated as beneath the law, as beneath scorn.
00:26:10.420 What you've done to him?
00:26:11.720 I went through the cases.
00:26:13.420 Four criminal, E. Jean Carroll, Tish James, this Fannie Willis debacle down in Atlanta.
00:26:19.180 What a farce.
00:26:20.340 What a joke she is. 1.00
00:26:21.960 Does anyone take her seriously?
00:26:23.080 You saw now, like seeing her through that whole disqualification thing, it shows you.
00:26:27.780 It shows you.
00:26:28.860 Look what he's up against.
00:26:30.620 Look at this partisan, rabid person down there.
00:26:33.320 Do you think that's a fair prosecutor who's going to give him a fair trial if she's given the chance?
00:26:39.280 She's not even smart. 0.53
00:26:40.740 At least Jack Smith seems kind of smart.
00:26:43.040 Not very good and obviously not honest, but like not a dumbass.
00:26:48.940 It's amazing.
00:26:49.740 Joy Reid was out there the other night talking about how fun it was going to be to see all of her.
00:26:54.520 This is how she put her DEI, hers, all her DEI, my DEIs, taking Trump down.
00:26:59.720 Well, she's not wrong that Soros-backed DAs, hand-placed in these positions to not prosecute real crime,
00:27:09.480 like Alvin Bragg, Fannie Willis and others, have seen a crime for the first time and gotten excited and salivated over the prospect of pursuing it
00:27:19.380 because the defendant's name was Donald Trump.
00:27:22.180 In this country, we're supposed to pursue crimes, not people, in the criminal justice system.
00:27:28.200 It's a before and after moment for the law and for us.
00:27:32.500 So what I think is going to happen is I think electorally it's going to help Trump more than it hurts him.
00:27:43.680 That's my bet.
00:27:44.600 I don't know.
00:27:45.180 We'll see the polling over the next few weeks.
00:27:47.160 I don't believe the soccer moms are going to be so disgusted by this business records nonsense 1.00
00:27:53.160 that they're going to say I can't vote for him.
00:27:55.340 But I don't know because the media is just going to be nonstop.
00:28:02.020 And I don't know that the increased enthusiasm on the GOP side will be enough.
00:28:07.120 You can't win with just Republicans.
00:28:09.280 You need independence, too.
00:28:11.820 Net-net, though.
00:28:14.180 You couldn't ask for something better to stimulate enthusiasm on the GOP side.
00:28:18.280 You couldn't ask for better.
00:28:19.540 This doesn't stimulate Democrats.
00:28:20.820 That's they're not like, yeah, now I'm really going to vote for Joe.
00:28:25.360 I mean, if anything, they're going to watch how Trump handles this.
00:28:27.660 They might feel a little sorry for the guy.
00:28:29.580 What are we doing?
00:28:31.360 Right.
00:28:31.860 Who are we?
00:28:33.400 You'll find out.
00:28:35.040 Read the John Yoo piece piece on National Review.
00:28:38.140 You'll find out when the shoe is on the other foot and all your favorites.
00:28:42.440 Let's find let's take a look into Michelle Obama.
00:28:44.580 Does she do anything?
00:28:45.680 Let's find out.
00:28:46.280 Let's kick the tires a little on their foundation and figure out whether there's a crime to be
00:28:52.300 had.
00:28:52.480 If that's how we're going to do it now, we're going to pursue the person, not the crime.
00:28:57.440 Then let's do that.
00:28:59.120 Great.
00:29:00.560 Why not Dr. Jill?
00:29:01.900 What the hell?
00:29:03.200 How about Joe?
00:29:04.420 You know what?
00:29:05.160 We already had a special counsel say that he was guilty of a felony, but he couldn't pursue
00:29:08.520 him because, well, meaning elderly man who a jury wouldn't convict.
00:29:11.920 Well, that's not always going to be the case.
00:29:14.560 When Trump takes over, if Trump takes over, we might need a new, fresh look at the Joe
00:29:20.260 Biden case.
00:29:21.620 I'm sorry we didn't make these rules, but we're going to have to learn how to play by
00:29:26.660 them.
00:29:27.460 We'll have more for you on this program tomorrow with full coverage with all of our legal eagles,
00:29:33.860 our superpower lawyers.
00:29:35.920 All of our cast of favorites will be here with reaction and there'll be plenty between now
00:29:39.300 and then.
00:29:39.760 Thanks for listening.
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