The Megyn Kelly Show - December 10, 2025


Trump Hits Back at MTG, Wind Farm Freeze Blocked, Court Backs Trans Military Ban： AM Update 12⧸10


Episode Stats

Length

20 minutes

Words per Minute

154.85158

Word Count

3,104

Sentence Count

216

Misogynist Sentences

6

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

Trump and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene are showing no sign of de-escalating their feud as the President joins Politico for a sit-down interview. A federal judge strikes down President Trump s executive order putting a stop to wind farm permitting, which may make people look bad. A judge approves the release of grand jury materials connected to the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation, and a U.S. appeals court sides with Secretary of War Pete Hagseth on the transgender military ban.


Transcript

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00:00:19.120 I'm Emily Jashinski, host of After Party and the Megyn Kelly Wrap-Up Show on Sirius XM, Channel 111.
00:00:24.980 It's Wednesday, December 10th, 2025, and this is your AM update.
00:00:29.220 Stupid people like Marjorie Trader Greene.
00:00:32.800 I feel very sorry for President Trump.
00:00:36.200 President Trump and Congresswoman Marjorie Trader Greene showing no sign of de-escalating their feud as the president joins Politico for a sit-down interview.
00:00:45.300 A federal judge strikes down President Trump's executive order putting a stop to wind farm permitting.
00:00:51.260 It may make people look bad. It may make people look suspicious.
00:00:54.700 A judge approves the release of grand jury materials connected to the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation,
00:01:00.340 and a U.S. appeals court sides with Secretary of War Pete Hagseth on the transgender military ban.
00:01:06.020 All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM update.
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00:02:11.880 President Trump sitting down with Politico's Dasha Burns yesterday for a wide-ranging interview.
00:02:17.240 And it doesn't appear the feud with former friend, now foe, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia,
00:02:22.200 is getting buried anytime soon.
00:02:25.300 President Trump issuing a lengthy defense to criticism levied by Congresswoman MTG,
00:02:30.920 who in mid-November criticized the president for hosting the president of Syria,
00:02:35.680 a man previously tied to jihadist movements at the White House.
00:02:39.500 Congresswoman Greene posting on X, quote,
00:02:41.740 The new leader of Syria is a former al-Qaeda terrorist wanted by our government.
00:02:46.520 I would really like to see nonstop meetings at the White House on domestic policy,
00:02:50.660 not foreign policy, and foreign countries' leaders.
00:02:53.580 Start by hauling in the health insurance company's executives,
00:02:56.700 and let's start formulating a Republican plan to save America from Obamacare
00:03:00.520 and ACA tax credits that have skyrocketed the cost of health insurance.
00:03:04.920 President Trump responding.
00:03:06.200 I've watched stupid people like Marjorie Trader Greene,
00:03:12.260 or some people call her Taylor Greene, some people call her Taylor Brown,
00:03:17.060 because Greene sometimes turns to brown, which isn't nice.
00:03:21.340 But I've watched her say that he spends too much time on foreign.
00:03:26.920 Well, by doing that, first of all, it doesn't take a lot of time.
00:03:30.780 I made one trip.
00:03:32.400 I brought back trillions of dollars on that one trip.
00:03:35.020 I stopped in Japan.
00:03:36.820 I stopped in South Korea.
00:03:38.160 I met with President Xi and ended what could have been a big problem.
00:03:40.680 You went to the Middle East?
00:03:40.800 I was on that trip with you.
00:03:41.740 Went to the Middle East.
00:03:43.000 I brought back $3 trillion from the Middle East.
00:03:47.100 The president then highlighting a list of trade deals
00:03:49.800 and other agreements made with other countries,
00:03:52.220 arguing that work is to the direct benefit of U.S. citizens.
00:03:56.260 Dasha Burns pressing the issue harder.
00:03:58.760 That's just what some of your supporters and some others have said.
00:04:01.840 Well, then, you know, I can't imagine they're supporters because I've made a fortune
00:04:07.100 and spent very little time.
00:04:09.160 All of my time is spent here.
00:04:10.760 So some people would say, don't focus on anything outside of our border.
00:04:15.100 I like that, too.
00:04:16.280 But I've made trillions and trillions of dollars and solved problems and solved wars.
00:04:23.660 Do you know, most of the wars that I solved were solved sitting behind the Oval Office desk
00:04:28.240 on a telephone.
00:04:29.920 I think those are worthy phone calls.
00:04:32.420 Even if they didn't impact us to save millions of lives from another country,
00:04:36.380 and if I can do that easily because I have an ability, are pretty good.
00:04:39.800 Congresswoman MTG hitting back at President Trump's criticisms yesterday morning on CNN.
00:04:45.780 I feel very sorry for President Trump.
00:04:49.160 I genuinely do.
00:04:51.220 It has to be a hard place for someone that is constantly so hateful
00:04:56.600 and puts so much vitriol, name-calling, and really tells lies about people
00:05:03.240 in order to try to get his way or win some kind of fight.
00:05:09.640 And I think that's exactly what's wrong in America today.
00:05:12.780 That's what's wrong in this toxic political environment that has ripped our country apart.
00:05:18.120 And I personally think that that's poor leadership from a president.
00:05:23.500 It's a very bad demeanor, and Americans are very tired of it.
00:05:28.660 Elsewhere in the interview, President Trump discussing his birthright citizenship executive order.
00:05:33.240 The 14th Amendment of the Constitution ratified post-Civil War in 1868, reading,
00:05:38.840 quote,
00:05:39.440 All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
00:05:44.300 are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
00:05:49.680 President Trump issuing a day-one executive order clarifying that, quote,
00:05:53.640 Subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
00:05:56.520 excludes babies born in the U.S. to parents here illegally or temporarily.
00:06:01.300 The order challenged on multiple fronts, winding through the system, with the Supreme Court last
00:06:07.280 week agreeing to hear more arguments on the merits of the case.
00:06:11.220 President Trump offering more on his interpretation of the amendment to Politico.
00:06:15.500 The case is very interesting because that case was meant for the babies of slaves.
00:06:21.900 And if you look at the dates on the case, it was exactly having to do with the Civil War.
00:06:26.440 That case was not meant for some rich person coming from another country, dropping,
00:06:32.260 putting a foot in our country, and all of a sudden their whole family becomes, you know,
00:06:35.600 United States citizens.
00:06:37.520 That case is all about slaves, the babies of slaves.
00:06:44.240 And it was a good reason for doing it.
00:06:46.580 And that's all it was about.
00:06:48.420 And people now are understanding it.
00:06:50.300 It's been explained to them.
00:06:51.400 And I think the court understands it, too.
00:06:53.060 That would be a devastating decision if we lose that case.
00:06:56.440 That court, you've put the...
00:06:57.440 Because our country cannot afford to house tens of millions of people that came in through
00:07:04.380 birthright citizenship.
00:07:05.940 Arguments on that case will likely be heard in the spring, with a decision coming later
00:07:10.320 in the summer.
00:07:12.560 A federal judge on Monday blocking President Trump's executive order halting new wind energy
00:07:18.040 projects requiring federal permits.
00:07:20.100 The order signed on day one of Trump 2.0, freezing new or renewed offshore wind leases
00:07:26.660 as the administration launched a review of federal permitting.
00:07:30.280 Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum also called on to review existing wind energy leases per
00:07:35.860 the order.
00:07:37.080 Since taking effect, many offshore wind developers and projects on federal lands stuck in limbo,
00:07:43.400 awaiting the necessary permitting or outright canceled.
00:07:46.460 Monday's ruling is the result of a lawsuit filed in May by a group of 17 states, Washington,
00:07:52.220 D.C., and the non-profit Alliance for Clean Energy New York, led by New York Attorney General
00:07:57.280 Letitia James, calling the order, quote, arbitrary and unnecessary, and arguing it created a, quote,
00:08:03.940 existential threat to the wind industry.
00:08:06.600 The Trump administration countering that the lawsuit amounted to a policy dispute over wind
00:08:11.720 versus fossil fuels that federal courts cannot referee.
00:08:16.280 Clinton appointed Judge Patty Sarris of the District of Massachusetts, siding with the states,
00:08:21.200 ruling that the administration never provided the, quote,
00:08:24.460 reasoned explanation required under the Administrative Procedure Act to halt wind leases,
00:08:30.100 saying instead the Interior Department acted only because President Trump ordered it to.
00:08:34.900 President Trump, a leading critic of wind energy,
00:08:37.720 attacking it repeatedly throughout the campaign, and increasing the pressure once retaking office.
00:08:43.780 Here, a moment from the president's September address to the U.N. General Assembly.
00:08:48.200 The wind doesn't blow.
00:08:49.800 Those big windmills are so pathetic and so bad, so expensive to operate,
00:08:55.940 and they have to be rebuilt all the time, and they start to rust and rot.
00:09:00.300 Most expensive energy ever conceived, and it's actually energy.
00:09:04.480 You're supposed to make money with energy, not lose money.
00:09:07.380 You lose money, the governments have to subsidize.
00:09:09.600 You can't put them out without massive subsidies.
00:09:12.160 A.G. James, responding to the ruling on Monday, quote,
00:09:15.860 this is a big victory in our fight to keep tackling the climate crisis
00:09:19.660 and protect one of our best sources of clean, reliable, and affordable energy.
00:09:24.660 The broader impact of the ruling is uncertain due to the complex web of agencies,
00:09:29.520 executive orders, and policies involved in the permitting process.
00:09:32.980 It is not yet clear if the administration plans to appeal,
00:09:37.180 but a White House spokesman issuing a statement in defense of the president's executive order,
00:09:41.220 quote,
00:09:42.100 under Joe Biden's Green News scam, offshore wind projects were given unfair preferential treatment
00:09:47.280 while the rest of the energy industry was hindered by burdensome regulations.
00:09:51.940 President Trump has ended Joe Biden's war on American energy
00:09:55.160 and unleashed America's energy dominance to protect our economic and national security.
00:10:00.360 Coming up, a judge agrees to allow the DOJ to release grand jury materials
00:10:06.600 related to the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation.
00:10:09.700 And an appeals court keeps the Trump administration's ban on transgender service members in place.
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00:10:58.880 A federal judge in New York yesterday granting the DOJ's request to unseal grand jury records
00:11:05.200 and other information from the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation.
00:11:09.380 Maxwell is the former girlfriend of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein,
00:11:13.600 currently serving a 20-year prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse
00:11:19.620 and her own misconduct.
00:11:21.580 Attorney General Pam Bondi's initial request to unseal the records
00:11:25.180 denied earlier this year due to grand jury secrecy protections.
00:11:29.580 A.G. Bondi requesting the release again last month on an expedited basis
00:11:34.340 following the passage of the Epstein Files Transparency Act,
00:11:38.220 which requires the DOJ to release all materials in its possession
00:11:41.860 relating to the Epstein and Maxwell cases, with limited exception, by December 19th.
00:11:47.860 Obama appointed Judge Paul Engelmeyer for the Southern District of Manhattan,
00:11:52.180 citing the newly passed act in his decision to now approve the release of the records.
00:11:56.960 A separate judge in the Southern District of Florida last week
00:12:00.060 approving the release of grand jury materials
00:12:02.120 from that jurisdiction's investigation into Epstein.
00:12:05.840 That investigation beginning in 2005,
00:12:08.980 leading to his conviction on state charges in a highly controversial plea deal.
00:12:13.940 A.G. Bondi also seeking the release of materials from a third judge
00:12:17.300 relating to the 2019 sex trafficking charges against Epstein.
00:12:22.080 That judge has yet to issue a ruling.
00:12:24.560 Judge Engelmeyer, writing Tuesday,
00:12:26.020 the grand jury materials, quote,
00:12:28.160 do not discuss or identify any client of Epstein's or Maxwell's.
00:12:32.160 They do not reveal any heretofore unknown means of methods of Epstein's or Maxwell's crimes.
00:12:38.240 Prior to releasing any of the newly obtained records,
00:12:41.100 the DOJ stating it will coordinate with victims and their legal teams
00:12:44.580 about any redactions to protect their identities and privacy.
00:12:48.560 We spoke with MK True Crime legal analyst Phil Holloway
00:12:52.220 on what the public can expect with these coming disclosures.
00:12:55.940 Grand jury proceedings are traditionally secret for several reasons,
00:13:00.640 primarily to protect innocent people from reputational harm.
00:13:04.880 If it becomes public that a grand jury is representing someone
00:13:09.320 who, for example, turns out to be innocent,
00:13:12.080 sometimes the stigma from that investigation will just never go away.
00:13:16.800 But it's also important to keep grand jury material and investigation secret
00:13:21.940 to protect the integrity of the investigation
00:13:24.380 because you don't want to have people who are targets of these things
00:13:28.020 perhaps destroying evidence or fleeing from the jurisdiction
00:13:31.460 in anticipation of an indictment and things of that nature.
00:13:35.220 So what Congress has done is they have taken that traditional rule
00:13:39.480 that goes back to the English common law,
00:13:41.400 flipped it on its end and say,
00:13:42.960 OK, now the DOJ can disclose all of this stuff.
00:13:47.920 Holloway contends most of the major facts are already known,
00:13:51.720 but whatever is left to release may pull back the curtain
00:13:54.620 on elements of Epstein's world.
00:13:57.380 I think they're going to reveal a lot into the sort of the lifestyle
00:14:02.000 that Epstein and those in his orbit were living.
00:14:06.520 I think it's going to reveal financial information about Epstein
00:14:09.740 and a lot of people in his orbit.
00:14:11.720 And it's also going to reveal communications,
00:14:14.980 which a lot of people might find very interesting, salacious.
00:14:19.440 It may make people look bad.
00:14:21.260 It may make people look suspicious.
00:14:22.860 But we have to remember that there's people that this grand jury looked at
00:14:27.000 that the grand jury decided not to charge with anything.
00:14:29.800 So we have to take it all with that idea in mind.
00:14:33.960 Holloway outlines some possible unintended consequences
00:14:37.220 of Congress's intervention compelling the release of the grand jury materials.
00:14:41.880 One of the reasons grand jury proceedings are secret is to encourage candor.
00:14:48.540 And by that, I mean witnesses are more likely to speak freely and truthfully
00:14:53.500 without fear or fear of retaliation or any kind of pressure
00:14:58.220 if they know and believe going into it that their testimony is going to be confidential.
00:15:03.160 If Congress turns around and basically removes that confidentiality every time there's public
00:15:09.520 outcry, then nobody is going to feel comfortable enough to really go in and be truthful
00:15:16.040 and perhaps entirely candid when they testify to grand jury.
00:15:20.600 So this particular case needs to be seen as an isolated incident.
00:15:26.280 We're not going to see the Congress basically opening up all grand juries in the future.
00:15:32.200 Overall, Holloway expects the upcoming document dump may disappoint those hoping for shocking revelations.
00:15:38.300 I think that there's so much speculation already circulating in the public discourse.
00:15:45.140 There are people who believe that there are, say, client lists.
00:15:49.340 Okay, there's this like one master list of all of Epstein's clients.
00:15:53.200 Well, that doesn't exist.
00:15:54.520 What we're going to get is we're going to get raw material.
00:15:58.180 We're going to get transcripts and things like that.
00:16:00.660 And it's going to be probably very dissatisfying for a lot of people, I think.
00:16:05.780 And so there's going to be people because of that who will believe that there is still some type of conspiracy,
00:16:13.780 some type of cover up, even after everything is released.
00:16:17.340 There will be people who will be very dissatisfied once all is said and done.
00:16:22.740 Hopefully, at some point, we can move on from Epstein and learn from this.
00:16:27.620 We need to, I think, overall, maybe have some more transparency in the criminal justice system at large.
00:16:35.460 But I don't think it needs to go so far as to opening law enforcement case files every time there's a high-profile defendant.
00:16:42.700 A federal appeals court yesterday allowing Secretary of War Pete Hexas' ban on so-called transgender men and women
00:16:51.220 from serving in the U.S. military to go into effect while a challenge to the policy plays out in the courts.
00:16:57.660 In a 2-1 ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruling the ban is, quote,
00:17:02.280 "...likely constitutional because it reflects a considered judgment of military leaders and furthers legitimate military interests."
00:17:10.860 President Trump signing the executive order in January called prioritizing military excellence and readiness,
00:17:17.100 citing DOD policy ensuring service members are, quote,
00:17:19.960 "...free of medical conditions or physical defects that may reasonably be expected to require excessive time lost from duty for necessary treatment or hospitalization."
00:17:30.640 The order directing the Pentagon to update its medical and personnel standards within 60 days.
00:17:36.800 Hegseth then updating guidelines, effectively banning individuals who identify as transgender from military service.
00:17:44.260 U.S. District Court Judge Honoré Reyes, a Biden appointee, ruling against the Trump administration
00:17:50.460 and issuing an injunction blocking the order from taking effect,
00:17:54.840 after an opponent sued to halt its implementation.
00:17:57.640 The Trump administration took the case to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals,
00:18:02.000 and yesterday, Trump appointed judges Gregory Katsis and Naomi Rao finding the ban to be consistent with past military standards,
00:18:10.760 noting it has been changed before, writing, quote,
00:18:13.800 "...the United States military enforces strict medical standards to ensure that only physically and mentally fit individuals join its ranks.
00:18:20.500 For decades, these requirements barred service by individuals with gender dysphoria,
00:18:25.360 a medical condition associated with clinically significant distress."
00:18:28.860 This bar was partially relaxed in 2016, revived in 2018, partially relaxed again in 2021, and revived again in 2025.
00:18:38.860 The judge is also determining the judiciary branch must, quote,
00:18:41.740 "...tread carefully when asked to second-guess considered military judgments of the political branches."
00:18:48.380 Obama appointed Judge Cornelia Pillard, writing in her dissent the ban, quote,
00:18:52.340 "...brands all transgender people, without regard to individual merit,
00:18:56.840 as unworthy to serve in our armed forces solely because they are transgender."
00:19:02.100 The underlying lawsuit now continuing where it's expected to again reach the D.C. Court of Appeals
00:19:07.120 and possibly even the U.S. Supreme Court before it concludes.
00:19:14.260 That'll do it for your AM update.
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