The Megyn Kelly Show - December 10, 2025


Trump Hits Back at MTG, Wind Farm Freeze Blocked, Court Backs Trans Military Ban： AM Update 12⧸10

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wind energy permitting ban transgender military ban court ruling
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Megyn Kelly
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Trump Jeffrey Epstein Marjorie Taylor Greene Dick Durbin Ghislaine Maxwell Megan Paul Engelmeyer Dasha Burns A.G. Bondi Joe Biden Politico MEGAN10 Obama Congresswoman Greene Congresswoman MTG Cornelia Pillard Gregory Katzis Letitia James Phil Holloway Taylor Branch and 10 more
Jasmine Crockett Enters Senate Race, Paramount's Hostile Takeover, Mamdani's Mansion： AM Update 12⧸9 SBA Fraud Probed, RFK Jr and Hegseth Targeted for Impeachment, In-N-Out Bans “6-7”： AM Update 12⧸11

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Trump and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene are showing no sign of de-escalating their feud as the President joins Politico for a sit-down interview. A federal judge strikes down President Trump s executive order putting a stop to wind farm permitting, which may make people look bad. A judge approves the release of grand jury materials connected to the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation, and a U.S. appeals court sides with Secretary of War Pete Hagseth on the transgender military ban.

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00:00:19.120 I'm Emily Jashinski, host of After Party and the Megyn Kelly Wrap-Up Show on Sirius XM, Channel 111.
00:00:24.980 It's Wednesday, December 10th, 2025, and this is your AM update. 1.00
00:00:29.220 Stupid people like Marjorie Trader Greene. 1.00
00:00:32.800 I feel very sorry for President Trump. 1.00
00:00:36.200 President Trump and Congresswoman Marjorie Trader Greene showing no sign of de-escalating their feud as the president joins Politico for a sit-down interview.
00:00:45.300 A federal judge strikes down President Trump's executive order putting a stop to wind farm permitting.
00:00:51.260 It may make people look bad. It may make people look suspicious.
00:00:54.700 A judge approves the release of grand jury materials connected to the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation,
00:01:00.340 and a U.S. appeals court sides with Secretary of War Pete Hagseth on the transgender military ban.
00:01:06.020 All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM update.
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00:02:11.880 President Trump sitting down with Politico's Dasha Burns yesterday for a wide-ranging interview.
00:02:17.240 And it doesn't appear the feud with former friend, now foe, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia,
00:02:22.200 is getting buried anytime soon.
00:02:25.300 President Trump issuing a lengthy defense to criticism levied by Congresswoman MTG,
00:02:30.920 who in mid-November criticized the president for hosting the president of Syria,
00:02:35.680 a man previously tied to jihadist movements at the White House.
00:02:39.500 Congresswoman Greene posting on X, quote,
00:02:41.740 The new leader of Syria is a former al-Qaeda terrorist wanted by our government.
00:02:46.520 I would really like to see nonstop meetings at the White House on domestic policy,
00:02:50.660 not foreign policy, and foreign countries' leaders.
00:02:53.580 Start by hauling in the health insurance company's executives,
00:02:56.700 and let's start formulating a Republican plan to save America from Obamacare
00:03:00.520 and ACA tax credits that have skyrocketed the cost of health insurance.
00:03:04.920 President Trump responding. 1.00
00:03:06.200 I've watched stupid people like Marjorie Trader Greene, 1.00
00:03:12.260 or some people call her Taylor Greene, some people call her Taylor Brown, 1.00
00:03:17.060 because Greene sometimes turns to brown, which isn't nice.
00:03:21.340 But I've watched her say that he spends too much time on foreign.
00:03:26.920 Well, by doing that, first of all, it doesn't take a lot of time.
00:03:30.780 I made one trip.
00:03:32.400 I brought back trillions of dollars on that one trip.
00:03:35.020 I stopped in Japan.
00:03:36.820 I stopped in South Korea.
00:03:38.160 I met with President Xi and ended what could have been a big problem.
00:03:40.680 You went to the Middle East?
00:03:40.800 I was on that trip with you.
00:03:41.740 Went to the Middle East.
00:03:43.000 I brought back $3 trillion from the Middle East. 0.94
00:03:47.100 The president then highlighting a list of trade deals
00:03:49.800 and other agreements made with other countries,
00:03:52.220 arguing that work is to the direct benefit of U.S. citizens.
00:03:56.260 Dasha Burns pressing the issue harder.
00:03:58.760 That's just what some of your supporters and some others have said.
00:04:01.840 Well, then, you know, I can't imagine they're supporters because I've made a fortune
00:04:07.100 and spent very little time.
00:04:09.160 All of my time is spent here.
00:04:10.760 So some people would say, don't focus on anything outside of our border.
00:04:15.100 I like that, too.
00:04:16.280 But I've made trillions and trillions of dollars and solved problems and solved wars.
00:04:23.660 Do you know, most of the wars that I solved were solved sitting behind the Oval Office desk
00:04:28.240 on a telephone.
00:04:29.920 I think those are worthy phone calls.
00:04:32.420 Even if they didn't impact us to save millions of lives from another country, 0.99
00:04:36.380 and if I can do that easily because I have an ability, are pretty good.
00:04:39.800 Congresswoman MTG hitting back at President Trump's criticisms yesterday morning on CNN. 0.72
00:04:45.780 I feel very sorry for President Trump.
00:04:49.160 I genuinely do.
00:04:51.220 It has to be a hard place for someone that is constantly so hateful
00:04:56.600 and puts so much vitriol, name-calling, and really tells lies about people
00:05:03.240 in order to try to get his way or win some kind of fight.
00:05:09.640 And I think that's exactly what's wrong in America today.
00:05:12.780 That's what's wrong in this toxic political environment that has ripped our country apart.
00:05:18.120 And I personally think that that's poor leadership from a president.
00:05:23.500 It's a very bad demeanor, and Americans are very tired of it.
00:05:28.660 Elsewhere in the interview, President Trump discussing his birthright citizenship executive order.
00:05:33.240 The 14th Amendment of the Constitution ratified post-Civil War in 1868, reading,
00:05:38.840 quote,
00:05:39.440 All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
00:05:44.300 are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
00:05:49.680 President Trump issuing a day-one executive order clarifying that, quote,
00:05:53.640 Subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
00:05:56.520 excludes babies born in the U.S. to parents here illegally or temporarily.
00:06:01.300 The order challenged on multiple fronts, winding through the system, with the Supreme Court last
00:06:07.280 week agreeing to hear more arguments on the merits of the case.
00:06:11.220 President Trump offering more on his interpretation of the amendment to Politico.
00:06:15.500 The case is very interesting because that case was meant for the babies of slaves.
00:06:21.900 And if you look at the dates on the case, it was exactly having to do with the Civil War.
00:06:26.440 That case was not meant for some rich person coming from another country, dropping,
00:06:32.260 putting a foot in our country, and all of a sudden their whole family becomes, you know, 0.92
00:06:35.600 United States citizens.
00:06:37.520 That case is all about slaves, the babies of slaves.
00:06:44.240 And it was a good reason for doing it.
00:06:46.580 And that's all it was about.
00:06:48.420 And people now are understanding it.
00:06:50.300 It's been explained to them.
00:06:51.400 And I think the court understands it, too.
00:06:53.060 That would be a devastating decision if we lose that case.
00:06:56.440 That court, you've put the...
00:06:57.440 Because our country cannot afford to house tens of millions of people that came in through 1.00
00:07:04.380 birthright citizenship.
00:07:05.940 Arguments on that case will likely be heard in the spring, with a decision coming later
00:07:10.320 in the summer.
00:07:12.560 A federal judge on Monday blocking President Trump's executive order halting new wind energy
00:07:18.040 projects requiring federal permits.
00:07:20.100 The order signed on day one of Trump 2.0, freezing new or renewed offshore wind leases
00:07:26.660 as the administration launched a review of federal permitting.
00:07:30.280 Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum also called on to review existing wind energy leases per
00:07:35.860 the order.
00:07:37.080 Since taking effect, many offshore wind developers and projects on federal lands stuck in limbo,
00:07:43.400 awaiting the necessary permitting or outright canceled.
00:07:46.460 Monday's ruling is the result of a lawsuit filed in May by a group of 17 states, Washington,
00:07:52.220 D.C., and the non-profit Alliance for Clean Energy New York, led by New York Attorney General
00:07:57.280 Letitia James, calling the order, quote, arbitrary and unnecessary, and arguing it created a, quote,
00:08:03.940 existential threat to the wind industry.
00:08:06.600 The Trump administration countering that the lawsuit amounted to a policy dispute over wind
00:08:11.720 versus fossil fuels that federal courts cannot referee.
00:08:16.280 Clinton appointed Judge Patty Sarris of the District of Massachusetts, siding with the states,
00:08:21.200 ruling that the administration never provided the, quote,
00:08:24.460 reasoned explanation required under the Administrative Procedure Act to halt wind leases,
00:08:30.100 saying instead the Interior Department acted only because President Trump ordered it to.
00:08:34.900 President Trump, a leading critic of wind energy,
00:08:37.720 attacking it repeatedly throughout the campaign, and increasing the pressure once retaking office.
00:08:43.780 Here, a moment from the president's September address to the U.N. General Assembly.
00:08:48.200 The wind doesn't blow. 0.98
00:08:49.800 Those big windmills are so pathetic and so bad, so expensive to operate, 0.97
00:08:55.940 and they have to be rebuilt all the time, and they start to rust and rot. 0.98
00:09:00.300 Most expensive energy ever conceived, and it's actually energy.
00:09:04.480 You're supposed to make money with energy, not lose money.
00:09:07.380 You lose money, the governments have to subsidize.
00:09:09.600 You can't put them out without massive subsidies.
00:09:12.160 A.G. James, responding to the ruling on Monday, quote,
00:09:15.860 this is a big victory in our fight to keep tackling the climate crisis
00:09:19.660 and protect one of our best sources of clean, reliable, and affordable energy.
00:09:24.660 The broader impact of the ruling is uncertain due to the complex web of agencies,
00:09:29.520 executive orders, and policies involved in the permitting process.
00:09:32.980 It is not yet clear if the administration plans to appeal,
00:09:37.180 but a White House spokesman issuing a statement in defense of the president's executive order,
00:09:41.220 quote,
00:09:42.100 under Joe Biden's Green News scam, offshore wind projects were given unfair preferential treatment
00:09:47.280 while the rest of the energy industry was hindered by burdensome regulations.
00:09:51.940 President Trump has ended Joe Biden's war on American energy
00:09:55.160 and unleashed America's energy dominance to protect our economic and national security. 0.73
00:10:00.360 Coming up, a judge agrees to allow the DOJ to release grand jury materials
00:10:06.600 related to the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation.
00:10:09.700 And an appeals court keeps the Trump administration's ban on transgender service members in place.
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00:10:58.880 A federal judge in New York yesterday granting the DOJ's request to unseal grand jury records
00:11:05.200 and other information from the Ghislaine Maxwell investigation.
00:11:09.380 Maxwell is the former girlfriend of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein,
00:11:13.600 currently serving a 20-year prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse
00:11:19.620 and her own misconduct. 0.76
00:11:21.580 Attorney General Pam Bondi's initial request to unseal the records
00:11:25.180 denied earlier this year due to grand jury secrecy protections.
00:11:29.580 A.G. Bondi requesting the release again last month on an expedited basis
00:11:34.340 following the passage of the Epstein Files Transparency Act,
00:11:38.220 which requires the DOJ to release all materials in its possession
00:11:41.860 relating to the Epstein and Maxwell cases, with limited exception, by December 19th.
00:11:47.860 Obama appointed Judge Paul Engelmeyer for the Southern District of Manhattan,
00:11:52.180 citing the newly passed act in his decision to now approve the release of the records.
00:11:56.960 A separate judge in the Southern District of Florida last week
00:12:00.060 approving the release of grand jury materials
00:12:02.120 from that jurisdiction's investigation into Epstein.
00:12:05.840 That investigation beginning in 2005,
00:12:08.980 leading to his conviction on state charges in a highly controversial plea deal.
00:12:13.940 A.G. Bondi also seeking the release of materials from a third judge
00:12:17.300 relating to the 2019 sex trafficking charges against Epstein.
00:12:22.080 That judge has yet to issue a ruling.
00:12:24.560 Judge Engelmeyer, writing Tuesday,
00:12:26.020 the grand jury materials, quote,
00:12:28.160 do not discuss or identify any client of Epstein's or Maxwell's.
00:12:32.160 They do not reveal any heretofore unknown means of methods of Epstein's or Maxwell's crimes.
00:12:38.240 Prior to releasing any of the newly obtained records,
00:12:41.100 the DOJ stating it will coordinate with victims and their legal teams
00:12:44.580 about any redactions to protect their identities and privacy.
00:12:48.560 We spoke with MK True Crime legal analyst Phil Holloway
00:12:52.220 on what the public can expect with these coming disclosures.
00:12:55.940 Grand jury proceedings are traditionally secret for several reasons,
00:13:00.640 primarily to protect innocent people from reputational harm.
00:13:04.880 If it becomes public that a grand jury is representing someone
00:13:09.320 who, for example, turns out to be innocent,
00:13:12.080 sometimes the stigma from that investigation will just never go away.
00:13:16.800 But it's also important to keep grand jury material and investigation secret
00:13:21.940 to protect the integrity of the investigation
00:13:24.380 because you don't want to have people who are targets of these things
00:13:28.020 perhaps destroying evidence or fleeing from the jurisdiction
00:13:31.460 in anticipation of an indictment and things of that nature.
00:13:35.220 So what Congress has done is they have taken that traditional rule
00:13:39.480 that goes back to the English common law,
00:13:41.400 flipped it on its end and say,
00:13:42.960 OK, now the DOJ can disclose all of this stuff.
00:13:47.920 Holloway contends most of the major facts are already known,
00:13:51.720 but whatever is left to release may pull back the curtain
00:13:54.620 on elements of Epstein's world.
00:13:57.380 I think they're going to reveal a lot into the sort of the lifestyle
00:14:02.000 that Epstein and those in his orbit were living.
00:14:06.520 I think it's going to reveal financial information about Epstein
00:14:09.740 and a lot of people in his orbit.
00:14:11.720 And it's also going to reveal communications,
00:14:14.980 which a lot of people might find very interesting, salacious.
00:14:19.440 It may make people look bad.
00:14:21.260 It may make people look suspicious.
00:14:22.860 But we have to remember that there's people that this grand jury looked at
00:14:27.000 that the grand jury decided not to charge with anything.
00:14:29.800 So we have to take it all with that idea in mind.
00:14:33.960 Holloway outlines some possible unintended consequences
00:14:37.220 of Congress's intervention compelling the release of the grand jury materials.
00:14:41.880 One of the reasons grand jury proceedings are secret is to encourage candor.
00:14:48.540 And by that, I mean witnesses are more likely to speak freely and truthfully
00:14:53.500 without fear or fear of retaliation or any kind of pressure
00:14:58.220 if they know and believe going into it that their testimony is going to be confidential.
00:15:03.160 If Congress turns around and basically removes that confidentiality every time there's public
00:15:09.520 outcry, then nobody is going to feel comfortable enough to really go in and be truthful
00:15:16.040 and perhaps entirely candid when they testify to grand jury.
00:15:20.600 So this particular case needs to be seen as an isolated incident.
00:15:26.280 We're not going to see the Congress basically opening up all grand juries in the future.
00:15:32.200 Overall, Holloway expects the upcoming document dump may disappoint those hoping for shocking revelations.
00:15:38.300 I think that there's so much speculation already circulating in the public discourse.
00:15:45.140 There are people who believe that there are, say, client lists.
00:15:49.340 Okay, there's this like one master list of all of Epstein's clients.
00:15:53.200 Well, that doesn't exist.
00:15:54.520 What we're going to get is we're going to get raw material.
00:15:58.180 We're going to get transcripts and things like that.
00:16:00.660 And it's going to be probably very dissatisfying for a lot of people, I think.
00:16:05.780 And so there's going to be people because of that who will believe that there is still some type of conspiracy,
00:16:13.780 some type of cover up, even after everything is released.
00:16:17.340 There will be people who will be very dissatisfied once all is said and done.
00:16:22.740 Hopefully, at some point, we can move on from Epstein and learn from this.
00:16:27.620 We need to, I think, overall, maybe have some more transparency in the criminal justice system at large.
00:16:35.460 But I don't think it needs to go so far as to opening law enforcement case files every time there's a high-profile defendant.
00:16:42.700 A federal appeals court yesterday allowing Secretary of War Pete Hexas' ban on so-called transgender men and women
00:16:51.220 from serving in the U.S. military to go into effect while a challenge to the policy plays out in the courts.
00:16:57.660 In a 2-1 ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruling the ban is, quote,
00:17:02.280 "...likely constitutional because it reflects a considered judgment of military leaders and furthers legitimate military interests."
00:17:10.860 President Trump signing the executive order in January called prioritizing military excellence and readiness,
00:17:17.100 citing DOD policy ensuring service members are, quote,
00:17:19.960 "...free of medical conditions or physical defects that may reasonably be expected to require excessive time lost from duty for necessary treatment or hospitalization."
00:17:30.640 The order directing the Pentagon to update its medical and personnel standards within 60 days.
00:17:36.800 Hegseth then updating guidelines, effectively banning individuals who identify as transgender from military service.
00:17:44.260 U.S. District Court Judge Honoré Reyes, a Biden appointee, ruling against the Trump administration
00:17:50.460 and issuing an injunction blocking the order from taking effect,
00:17:54.840 after an opponent sued to halt its implementation.
00:17:57.640 The Trump administration took the case to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals,
00:18:02.000 and yesterday, Trump appointed judges Gregory Katsis and Naomi Rao finding the ban to be consistent with past military standards,
00:18:10.760 noting it has been changed before, writing, quote,
00:18:13.800 "...the United States military enforces strict medical standards to ensure that only physically and mentally fit individuals join its ranks.
00:18:20.500 For decades, these requirements barred service by individuals with gender dysphoria,
00:18:25.360 a medical condition associated with clinically significant distress."
00:18:28.860 This bar was partially relaxed in 2016, revived in 2018, partially relaxed again in 2021, and revived again in 2025.
00:18:38.860 The judge is also determining the judiciary branch must, quote,
00:18:41.740 "...tread carefully when asked to second-guess considered military judgments of the political branches."
00:18:48.380 Obama appointed Judge Cornelia Pillard, writing in her dissent the ban, quote,
00:18:52.340 "...brands all transgender people, without regard to individual merit, 0.96
00:18:56.840 as unworthy to serve in our armed forces solely because they are transgender." 1.00
00:19:02.100 The underlying lawsuit now continuing where it's expected to again reach the D.C. Court of Appeals
00:19:07.120 and possibly even the U.S. Supreme Court before it concludes.
00:19:14.260 That'll do it for your AM update.
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