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00:01:00.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:06.280 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:01:16.840 Hope everyone had a great weekend. We have tons of stories to get to today that cross over from the political to the cultural arenas.

00:01:24.600 The Sidney Sweeney American Eagle ad campaign has made its way to the White House.

00:01:29.060 President Trump, just today, he's got lots of thoughts.

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00:01:45.960 We're going to get to it.

00:01:46.940 And everyone's favorite political liability, Kamala Harris, has soft-launched her book tour with a repeat appearance on the soon-to-be-canceled Stephen Colbert late-night show.

00:01:56.020 Because when you find out that a show has no ratings, that's where you go to launch your book.

00:02:00.840 She has not changed at all.

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00:03:12.960 Michael, welcome back.

00:03:14.020 Great to have you.

00:03:15.100 Great to be with you, Megan.

00:03:16.320 Thank you for having me.

00:03:17.780 There's a lot to go over.

00:03:19.380 Oh, so much.

00:03:20.120 Why don't we just start with Kamala, because it's just so fun and it's Monday, so everybody needs a little fun.

00:03:25.380 She's launching this book, and she's trying to make it sound like there are some real nuggets in there, some really exciting things.

00:03:33.400 And hold on a second.

00:03:35.660 This is the tease for what's going to get us really excited to buy her book, 107 Days.

00:03:43.000 Here's Sot 8.

00:03:45.060 I mean, there's a lot of personal stuff in the book.

00:03:47.780 I mean, poor Dougie.

00:03:52.260 You're blowing the lid off of Doug?

00:03:54.760 What's going on?

00:03:55.460 For example, my birthday is in October.

00:03:59.460 The election's in November.

00:04:02.200 You see where I'm going?

00:04:04.340 No, no one does.

00:04:05.900 And Dougie kind of dropped the ball on my big birthday.

00:04:09.800 He didn't get you anything?

00:04:11.500 Oh, you have to read the book.

00:04:12.940 All right.

00:04:17.560 Just tell me the page.

00:04:19.320 Tell me the page.

00:04:20.500 It's all classic Kamala.

00:04:24.780 The weird, drunk-sounding, giggling at absolutely nothing.

00:04:29.720 Saying nothing.

00:04:30.980 Nothing clever.

00:04:32.060 Nothing amusing.

00:04:33.300 Her weirdness is somewhat amusing, but she and her substantive comments are not.

00:04:38.180 Her tease.

00:04:39.480 Oh, we've got to read the book to find out if he didn't get her a present.

00:04:44.060 Who gives a flying fig?

00:04:45.580 Like, she's off socially in, like, a very weird way.

00:04:50.140 Continues to be, Michael.

00:04:51.840 And yet, the reports persist that the reason she didn't run for governor of California is

00:04:57.900 she's using this book to soft launch her 2028 presidential run.

00:05:04.100 Your thoughts?

00:05:05.260 Megan, I guess you and I differ here.

00:05:08.260 I'm on the edge of my seat.

00:05:09.620 What did he or did he not get her for her birthday?

00:05:15.840 This is almost certainly the most exciting thing in the book.

00:05:19.620 You know, the book is called, what, 107 Days?

00:05:22.600 The Life and Times, the Rollicking Campaign of Kamala Harris.

00:05:27.440 My first book that I ever put out is called Reasons to Vote for Democrats, a comprehensive

00:05:31.580 guide.

00:05:32.280 It has no words in it.

00:05:33.760 And it's a number one national bestseller.

00:05:35.580 It almost certainly has the exact same content as Kamala's book, because what could she possibly

00:05:41.460 write about?

00:05:42.640 No one voted for her.

00:05:44.360 No one wanted her to be the nominee.

00:05:46.400 The only reason she got it is because her boss made the mistake of going on television

00:05:50.580 and showing everyone that his brain didn't work anymore.

00:05:53.040 So she was the only person who could fill it.

00:05:55.800 No one at that point even wanted her to be the president.

00:05:58.680 And then she kept making a lot of mistakes, but not even interesting mistakes, kind of

00:06:04.540 boring mistakes.

00:06:05.600 Like she just she was just boring on the trail.

00:06:08.160 And then she lost.

00:06:09.440 What could you possibly have in the book?

00:06:11.520 In her defense, this was a cheap cash grab.

00:06:15.580 And she got whatever the advance was.

00:06:18.100 And now she's got to go through the charade of selling the books.

00:06:21.400 Going on the Colbert show is just as good as going on any show.

00:06:23.940 She could go on the top rated show in the country.

00:06:25.760 No one's going to buy this book.

00:06:27.100 So you're you're perhaps right that she's trying to soft launch a presidential campaign.

00:06:33.400 I'm a little bit more cynical about it, maybe.

00:06:36.140 I think this is a cash grab for a desperate gasping politician who whose career is over,

00:06:42.500 whether she knows it or not.

00:06:43.980 I think the reason she didn't run for governor of California is she could lose because nobody

00:06:49.300 likes her in her defense.

00:06:51.180 She is very good at behind the scenes politics.

00:06:54.700 I'm not even making Willie Brown jokes.

00:06:56.200 I mean, she's good at wielding the levers of power and insinuating herself with all sorts

00:07:01.520 of political elites.

00:07:03.120 In terms of retail politics, the woman could not get herself elected dog catcher in Palookaville.

00:07:09.300 And so maybe she's got some delusion that she's going to run for president in 2028.

00:07:14.540 Ain't going to happen.

00:07:15.440 Take the money and run, Kamala.

00:07:16.720 Maybe behind the scenes, her little I eat no for breakfast works on these weak need Democrat

00:07:24.080 donors who are like, yeah, I like it.

00:07:26.280 I like it.

00:07:26.900 Look at this.

00:07:27.420 A strong black woman who eats no for breakfast.

00:07:30.840 Here's my checkbook.

00:07:32.520 Here's a little bit more of how she's titillating us, explaining the photo in her book of her

00:07:38.440 from the day Joe Biden dropped out.

00:07:41.500 Watch this.

00:07:41.920 That day, July 21st, 2024, was a Sunday.

00:07:49.620 And it was my family was staying with us and including my baby nieces, my nieces' children.

00:07:56.700 I call them my baby nieces.

00:07:57.860 And we had a really wonderful grudge.

00:08:01.480 Again, I talk about what that day is.

00:08:02.940 But and then I get the call from Joe and immediately that's the dining room at the vice president's

00:08:10.520 residence.

00:08:10.840 And immediately my incredible team and I'm just my incredible team.

00:08:15.560 They just people just started coming and we turned it into a war room.

00:08:20.420 And I made over a hundred calls that day.

00:08:23.780 I rolled calls.

00:08:25.200 And that's me on a call.

00:08:27.620 So you'll see my my phone is actually on my lap.

00:08:30.380 And I'm and you know, I so I know I've been teased about this, but I like these kinds of

00:08:35.640 air ear pods that have the thing because I've served on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

00:08:43.160 I have been in classified briefings and I'm telling you, like, don't be on the train using

00:08:48.420 your ear pods and thinking somebody can't listen to your conversation.

00:08:51.880 I'm just telling you that's a little bit more secure.

00:08:57.700 Oh, my God.

00:08:59.060 Oh, my God.

00:08:59.700 Michael, your face is exactly how I feel.

00:09:02.220 He's got listening audience.

00:09:03.520 He's got the hand over his mouth and a furrowed brow.

00:09:07.720 Try and understand how she she came within a whisper of the presidency.

00:09:12.040 This woman, Michael.

00:09:13.440 This is what happens when your entire life is just bread in a Petri dish to appeal to

00:09:21.400 the lowest common denominator of lowercase d democratic politics is there's just nothing

00:09:27.260 interesting about you.

00:09:28.380 I mean, say what you will about Trump.

00:09:29.980 But the fact that Trump became a politician only 10 years ago, the fact that he was a boisterous

00:09:35.160 billionaire playboy, real estate mogul, TV star, he's really interesting.

00:09:39.720 Even people who hate him just find him attractive.

00:09:43.160 It's like a moth to a flame.

00:09:44.440 Our attention just goes to his side.

00:09:45.000 They want to talk about him.

00:09:46.480 Yes.

00:09:47.020 Whereas with Kamala, she was raised to never say anything offensive, to just appeal to

00:09:53.660 the most normie, plain, white bread spaghetti dinner kind of constituent.

00:09:59.160 And so the most interesting thing she can talk about are the cords that come out of her headphones.

00:10:04.320 But I want to go back to the first part of the clip.

00:10:06.500 She says, and I was sitting there.

00:10:08.280 I was sitting there.

00:10:11.740 And then I got the call.

00:10:13.280 And I turned my dining room into a war room.

00:10:18.040 What war exactly?

00:10:19.840 So is this like, you know, I don't know, Czechoslovakia just before the Nazi tanks rolled in?

00:10:25.740 What war room?

00:10:26.680 This is the worst side in a war I've ever seen.

00:10:30.480 I mean, I guess she sort of put up a fight, but she got absolutely steamrolled.

00:10:35.080 So I don't really get, ultimately, what the point of the book is, other than as a cash

00:10:41.360 grab for her retirement plan, because she got clobbered.

00:10:46.940 I mean, the campaign was poorly run, even by Democrat standards, even even insiders will

00:10:52.920 admit that she lost to Trump, who to bring up the Hitler analogy, again, all of the people

00:10:59.280 around her said was Hitler.

00:11:00.660 But then Trump not only managed to win, he won with the popular vote for the first time

00:11:05.920 as a Republican in 20 years.

00:11:07.860 I mean, it was just such a historic drubbing.

00:11:10.960 Why does she want to rehash it?

00:11:13.920 Yeah, well, she she thinks she's interesting.

00:11:16.940 This is what's this is what I find interesting about her is how empty she is.

00:11:23.340 The only time she really gets animated is when she talks about race, abortion or herself.

00:11:31.220 Truly, I'm a connoisseur now of this woman's commentary.

00:11:35.460 And those are the three things that really light her up.

00:11:38.360 And like the giggling about when she gets to herself, I call them my baby nieces.

00:11:44.580 Like, that's something special about me.

00:11:47.320 I have this this term of endearment about my two nieces.

00:11:51.380 I see I put the word baby in front of them.

00:11:53.820 They're nieces, but they're also babies.

00:11:55.760 You say, I'm just so quirky.

00:11:57.340 I decided to call them baby nieces.

00:11:59.300 That's what I do.

00:12:00.240 That's that's my thing.

00:12:01.820 And then she gets equally animated when she gets to her stupid air pod choice.

00:12:06.140 Like, I know I know things I I've been told I'm special.

00:12:11.160 I have briefings that I could just tell you.

00:12:14.560 Get the ones that have the thing.

00:12:16.620 OK, the ones that have the thing.

00:12:18.520 It's ridiculous.

00:12:20.640 But she comes alive.

00:12:22.380 She on the subject of me.

00:12:25.280 Yes.

00:12:25.980 Oh, this is actually I have a button on this.

00:12:28.140 Reminds me of this gal from Legally Blonde.

00:12:30.280 That's a man wrapped up in himself makes a small package indeed, Megan.

00:12:40.860 And I suppose you're right.

00:12:43.180 What's so disturbing about it is not just that a politician would make an anodyne remark or observation and then pretend that that were edgy.

00:12:51.680 That's actually pretty typical politician on the trail.

00:12:54.200 You know, listen, I'm get I'm going to get a little blue here.

00:12:56.580 I'm going to loosen my collar and say that I like beer.

00:13:01.160 You know, that's the kind of thing that a politician will try to say to ingratiate himself.

00:13:05.880 But but they're always joking.

00:13:07.420 You know, Bill Clinton goes, you know, I really love fast food.

00:13:10.480 And, you know, that's like the 500th sketchiest thing about the guy.

00:13:14.320 He doesn't generally bring up the pot in the UK and all the women or anything like that.

00:13:19.220 But with Kamala, that's not the only fast thing he likes.

00:13:23.040 That's right.

00:13:24.060 Am I right?

00:13:24.820 The problem, though, with Kamala is it seems as though this actually is the edgiest, most titillating part about her.

00:13:35.700 You know, that's right.

00:13:36.680 I remember she went on The Breakfast Club during the campaign or maybe it was even on the previous campaign when she was running for vice president.

00:13:43.380 And she said that she loved listening to Snoop Dogg in college.

00:13:47.660 And you can just look at the timeline Snoop Dogg had not come out with his debut album while she was in college.

00:13:52.660 So it was either a false memory or she just made it up.

00:13:55.160 And I thought, man, lady, you're not even edgy enough to listen to Snoop.

00:14:00.360 There's no I mean, legitimately, when she talked about how she liked to put pepper on her chicken in that cringe inducing video of Tim Walls during the campaign that I think that actually is her.

00:14:11.740 And I think that's even worse than being dishonest.

00:14:14.640 I agree.

00:14:15.520 I don't think it is that she has been taught not to touch anything radioactive and that she's been like schooled in this leftist field of don't offend, don't touch any, you know, third rails.

00:14:29.360 I think she's empty inside.

00:14:31.680 There's nothing there.

00:14:33.120 She's advanced.

00:14:33.880 I mean, you mentioned Willie Brown.

00:14:35.800 We know how she advanced originally.

00:14:37.580 And then after that, she wrote a cultural wave of black, Indian and a woman all the way to the vice presidency.

00:14:45.040 And it almost got her the presidency.

00:14:47.760 If it weren't for Donald Trump, it could have happened.

00:14:50.540 So like she didn't need anything more.

00:14:53.180 She's been empty inside with nothing interesting.

00:14:55.180 And it's not a surprise.

00:14:56.300 She didn't live a life before becoming a politician.

00:14:58.760 It's like I always worry about people who become journalists without having had a life before getting here.

00:15:03.880 Like you need to have done something to teach yourself about the world that you want to report on.

00:15:10.180 And same for a politician.

00:15:11.440 You need to have done something to teach yourself about the world that you now want to legislate on or lead.

00:15:17.500 And she's she hasn't done it.

00:15:19.080 She is an empty vessel.

00:15:20.900 There's a word here for this that we're sorely lacking in our present culture, which is magnanimity.

00:15:27.680 Going back to classical antiquity, there was this idea of greatness of soul.

00:15:32.700 And I was I was reading a comment by the great Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule the other day where he said, I wonder if you could meet a European noble from before the 16th century.

00:15:45.680 I think we would be shocked and terrified by the greatness of his cruelty and the greatness of his gentility that he'd be as brutal as anybody who's ever lived, but also as courteous and chivalric as anybody who's ever lived.

00:16:00.480 And we just can't take that these days because it seems as though people have become smaller.

00:16:07.120 You know, one can have greatness of soul in a grotesque and horrifying way, but at least there's something there.

00:16:13.960 And one can also be one of the great saints of history.

00:16:16.020 But but when it comes to these modern politicians and sadly for Kamala, she's the exemplar of it.

00:16:22.000 It just seems like she she's just smaller.

00:16:26.020 She's not that bad.

00:16:27.920 She's not that good.

00:16:29.900 She's just not much of anything at all.

00:16:32.920 She's a shell and there's nothing there.

00:16:35.660 There's nothing there to hate.

00:16:37.280 There's nothing there to love.

00:16:39.000 There's only something there to mock or pretend about.

00:16:42.240 And half of us did one and half of us did the other when she was running for president.

00:16:46.440 And now, I mean, they are saying that she's got the number one slot going into the imaginary primary.

00:16:53.980 We're not there yet, but it'll come before you know it among damn names.

00:16:57.480 Now, that's because she has the greatest name recognition, but that she is above all of them.

00:17:02.600 There are some others creeping up like Newsom and AOC.

00:17:06.180 And I do want to talk about AOC because I think what's happening with the Democrat Party is interesting and the Democrat Socialists of America.

00:17:12.300 But Kamala, it's still technically hers to lose.

00:17:16.480 And what would happen if they if she actually got in, if she has the hubris, you know, if she believes what everybody's told her, which is she's clever and she's special and she can do it.

00:17:25.880 She's destined to be the first female president is she's going to get eaten alive by her own party.

00:17:30.640 We're never going to have the fun of kicking her around again, Michael, because the Democrat Party will stop her because unlike when she was anointed for her 107 days, they have the chance to stop it this time.

00:17:42.600 And they know no matter what they say to you and me, they know she cannot do it.

00:17:47.440 She'll get killed in the primary.

00:17:49.340 I love that you say this word technically.

00:17:52.000 She's technically the front runner in the Democrat presidential primary, which is probably true.

00:17:56.720 But it's like being the tallest guy on the Oompa Loompa basketball team.

00:18:00.180 It's just the field has not taken shape.

00:18:02.900 The biggest candidates right now are her, Gavin Newsom, American psycho, you know, government governor bake, Bateman over there in California.

00:18:10.900 You've got AOC, I guess you've got who Mayor Pete.

00:18:14.820 Give me a break.

00:18:15.540 It's ridiculous.

00:18:16.340 Yeah.

00:18:16.540 So this hasn't taken shape.

00:18:18.120 These guys just got completely destroyed in November, including the popular vote.

00:18:22.880 That that's going nowhere.

00:18:24.340 The one thing Kamala has going for her right now is that the Democrats don't know what they believe.

00:18:31.960 They don't know what they believe about trade.

00:18:33.660 They don't know what they believe about workers' rights.

00:18:35.440 They don't know what they believe about the border and crime.

00:18:37.760 They don't know what they believe about Israel and Gaza.

00:18:39.980 They don't know what they believe about anything.

00:18:41.720 And the one thing Kamala has going for her is she stands for nothing.

00:18:46.160 So AOC, lover or hater, she does kind of stand for something.

00:18:50.740 If the Dems double down on wokeness, then she is a very legitimate presidential candidate.

00:18:56.060 Gavin Newsom is extremely liberal, but he's also trying to be friends with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon.

00:19:01.040 And he's also trying to to be a weather vane and such that you can't nail him down.

00:19:06.540 But Kamala right now, by being the least person, I guess, is technically the front runner.

00:19:14.000 Yes, yes.

00:19:15.140 No, I agree with you.

00:19:15.780 You're right.

00:19:16.540 Totally agree.

00:19:17.580 But we'll see because those others are sort of ascending.

00:19:21.240 You know, AOC hasn't run for president yet.

00:19:23.040 Neither has Gavin Newsom.

00:19:24.280 She's old news.

00:19:25.160 You know, she's stale and she's got the albatross around her neck of Joe Biden and his mental acuity problems.

00:19:31.500 This came up a little her failure to differentiate herself from him.

00:19:35.400 And Mark Halpern is reporting today if she tries to do that in running for 2028.

00:19:40.240 If now she chooses to say, oh, you know, Joe Biden, he was yesterday's news and I was respectful.

00:19:46.520 But let me tell you, I had a lot of difference was differences with him.

00:19:49.340 And, you know, I behind the scenes, she'd have somebody released like I also knew he wasn't all there.

00:19:54.100 He said that they're going to kill her.

00:19:56.200 The Biden team will unleash.

00:19:57.980 He said Palin-esque stories about her, which is completely easy to believe, that she was a fool behind the scenes, that she knew nothing.

00:20:07.640 No one believes she knows anything about anything, please.

00:20:11.560 And they're ready to stick that knife in her.

00:20:13.340 But here she is being asked about how she didn't differentiate herself in SOT 11.

00:20:18.700 That must have been difficult because you have to differentiate yourself as a candidate.

00:20:22.720 Right.

00:20:22.920 And yet you respect this man who you're still working for at the same time.

00:20:26.800 What was that like to navigate?

00:20:28.800 I talk about that extensively in the book.

00:20:31.140 You know what?

00:20:31.500 No, no.

00:20:32.300 It's in the chapter with Doug.

00:20:33.760 No, it's because, and I say that because you're raising something that you and I both know requires a lot more time than we probably have right now to talk about.

00:20:45.940 Are we in a hurry?

00:20:46.640 Are we in a hurry, guys?

00:20:50.140 Go ahead.

00:20:50.720 Thanks, everyone.

00:20:51.420 Go ahead.

00:20:52.540 Go ahead.

00:20:53.160 Um, it, I feel very strongly that, um, I mean, it's an instinct of mine to be, um, someone who does not participate in piling on.

00:21:09.160 Oh, my goodness.

00:21:10.140 And I was not going to pile on.

00:21:14.640 And I just wasn't going to do that.

00:21:16.760 And there was a lot of piling on at that time.

00:21:20.800 And I wasn't going to participate in that.

00:21:24.140 Michael.

00:21:24.860 We weren't piling off.

00:21:26.220 We were piling.

00:21:27.160 We weren't.

00:21:27.820 And there was, it was like, she was running for president.

00:21:31.900 She was running for president.

00:21:33.720 The question was really simple.

00:21:34.880 Like, how are you different than him?

00:21:36.720 Then he, like how it is.

00:21:38.580 And you can see when she glitches long pause, awkward, awkwardly long.

00:21:42.840 And then back to I and me, it's always I and me.

00:21:45.660 That's where she's, you know, most comfortable.

00:21:48.400 I have this policy.

00:21:49.800 I have this thing about piling on this.

00:21:53.860 It's, it's another thing that makes me special, like my AirPods.

00:21:57.540 Um, and I, I am against piling on, which is why I was a total fucking fool.

00:22:03.860 Whenever anybody asked me that question, including you, Stephen Colbert, we pulled when he asked

00:22:09.280 her about it.

00:22:09.820 It was after the view had asked her about it and she glitched live on Stephen Colbert the

00:22:14.440 first time here.

00:22:15.860 She glitched again, but here's the OG and sought 15 B.

00:22:20.200 Polling shows that a lot of people, especially independent voters.

00:22:23.860 Really want this to be a change election and that they tend to break for you in terms

00:22:29.420 of thinking about change.

00:22:30.800 Uh, you, you are a member of the president administration under a Harris administration.

00:22:36.900 What would the major changes be and what would stay the same?

00:22:41.100 Sure.

00:22:41.440 Well, I mean, I'm obviously not Joe Biden.

00:22:43.640 Um, and so that would be one change.

00:22:47.240 In terms of, but also I think it's important to say with, you know, 28 days to go, I'm not

00:22:53.320 Donald Trump.

00:22:53.860 And so when we think about the significance of what this next generation of leadership

00:23:01.520 looks like, were I to be elected president, it is about, frankly, um, I, I, I, I love the

00:23:08.860 American people and I, I believe in our country.

00:23:11.420 I, I, I, I love that it is our character and nature to be an ambitious people.

00:23:19.280 You know, we have aspirations.

00:23:21.460 We have dreams.

00:23:22.560 We are, we, we have incredible work ethic.

00:23:25.900 And, and, and I just believe that we can create and, and build upon the success we've

00:23:32.660 achieved in a way that we continue to grow opportunity.

00:23:36.360 And in that way, grow the strength of our nation.

00:23:38.400 No, I can't even, I have to, I, I'll poke my eyes through my finger.

00:23:46.820 I can't even watch it.

00:23:48.920 It is the scene from the Simpsons when Bart didn't do his book report or it was a report

00:23:54.480 on Libya or something.

00:23:55.620 And he just starts making things up and stringing words together.

00:23:59.240 And, uh, you know, in short, Libya is a land of contradictions.

00:24:01.600 It, it is my question after the first clip is, did she even read the book?

00:24:12.040 Did she even read her own book?

00:24:13.320 I'm not going to imagine she wrote it.

00:24:15.780 I doubt she's read it, but, but then after the OG clip, I guess the question that you,

00:24:22.240 if you're this kind of politician that you would have to ask yourself at the end of your

00:24:26.660 career, at the end of your life is what was it for?

00:24:31.740 What was it for?

00:24:32.880 Is it to fly around on air force one?

00:24:34.620 Is it to be in the white house?

00:24:37.220 Oh, the white house is, is very beautiful in many ways.

00:24:39.340 It's also a government building.

00:24:40.800 It's not, there are nicer buildings than the white house.

00:24:42.880 Is it what, if you don't believe anything, if you don't have any clear conception of the

00:24:48.180 good, if you have no view of anything that you want to do, if you don't even know what

00:24:52.580 America is, why are you a politician?

00:24:56.440 Is it, is the money or the fame?

00:24:58.260 There are easier ways to make money and get fame.

00:25:00.660 Like what, why, why is this woman?

00:25:04.140 Why does she exist?

00:25:06.020 Because she was told early on, you know, it's not your time and don't you let them, don't

00:25:12.460 you let them, Michael Knowles eat no for breakfast.

00:25:16.280 You just keep eating and eating and eating until you're full.

00:25:21.740 You're finally full of yourself.

00:25:24.580 She claimed to Colbert that she really just wants to sit on the sideline.

00:25:30.060 Now she doesn't want to go.

00:25:31.140 I can't play anymore.

00:25:32.280 So Kamala soundbikes, Michael's going to leave.

00:25:34.700 She says though, I don't want to go back into a broken system.

00:25:39.760 I just want, I've been on the inside for so many years.

00:25:42.680 What I really want to do now is travel the country and talk to people, listen to people.

00:25:49.620 Okay.

00:25:49.780 So literally nobody wants to talk to her and even fewer want to actually listen to her.

00:25:54.740 And this was CNN's Harry Enten, the data guru reacting to that claim.

00:26:00.960 Watch this.

00:26:02.560 Can't possibly believe that someone who was attorney general for a good period of time,

00:26:07.480 a United States Senator for a good period of time, and then vice president for four years

00:26:10.900 and then ran for president, all of a sudden believes that the best way to solve it is

00:26:14.480 from being outside the system?

00:26:16.340 Oh, please.

00:26:17.780 Not a chance on God's green earth that that's necessarily the case.

00:26:21.580 What's probably going on is she saw what the polling numbers were perhaps for her running

00:26:25.960 for governor of California.

00:26:27.960 Yes, she has left open the idea that maybe she could run in 2028 for the Democratic nomination.

00:26:32.960 But I'll tell you, Abby, I've looked at those numbers.

00:26:34.660 She would be the weakest front runner since 1992.

00:26:38.120 So the bottom line is this.

00:26:40.880 She's looking at the numbers.

00:26:42.280 She knows what's cooking.

00:26:43.260 And then all of a sudden, you know what?

00:26:44.640 Actually, this lifelong politician, I want to be outside the system.

00:26:48.000 Give me a break.

00:26:49.900 Totally agree with every word.

00:26:52.240 Of course.

00:26:53.000 Of course.

00:26:53.700 You know, she right now is giving me the vibes of a weaker Sarah Palin.

00:27:01.260 You know, say what you will about Sarah Palin.

00:27:02.720 Sarah Palin did believe things in her career.

00:27:05.040 And she actually and had charisma, had charisma.

00:27:08.460 I mean, she she had much more political talent than Kamala Harris and more political purpose.

00:27:14.200 And yet after 2008, it was pretty clear that was a very bruising race.

00:27:18.840 McCain Palin, her her political future was very much in doubt.

00:27:23.800 And so she kept teasing.

00:27:25.000 Maybe I'll run in 2012.

00:27:26.840 Maybe I'll run for this.

00:27:28.060 Maybe I'll run for that.

00:27:28.720 And she was teasing it to keep herself in the public square.

00:27:33.160 But it was it was not going to happen.

00:27:35.400 And I think that's what's going on here with Kamala, minus the charisma, minus the political

00:27:41.140 purpose and minus the plausibility.

00:27:44.100 Yeah, it's incredible to me.

00:27:46.120 She has nothing else to do.

00:27:47.600 She wrote a book.

00:27:48.360 I'm sure she's getting millions for it.

00:27:49.900 It's not going to sell well.

00:27:50.880 And she thinks this is soft launch for 2028 when she'll have longer than 107 days.

00:27:56.640 And you know what else she's going to have?

00:27:58.320 Like I said, Democrat knives pointed for her because they didn't have a choice last time

00:28:02.880 around.

00:28:03.340 Many were desperately calling for a primary.

00:28:06.120 But, you know.

00:28:07.820 Bottom up, bottom up, as Chuck Schumer so falsely said, she was chosen and they got stuck with

00:28:15.060 her.

00:28:15.320 OK, I want to stay on the Dems for a minute.

00:28:17.540 Just one last point on this.

00:28:18.800 The title 107 days is, as you are implying, an excuse as to why she lost last time.

00:28:24.180 She won't win Liz's time.

00:28:25.660 Does anyone think that she would have done better with more time?

00:28:29.780 Does anyone think day 107 was better than day one?

00:28:32.660 No way.

00:28:33.280 No chance.

00:28:34.020 Just Kamala.

00:28:34.900 She's the only one.

00:28:35.820 And maybe her inane, inept campaign manager, Jen O'Malley Dillon, who absolutely sucked and

00:28:42.300 blew two billion dollars on nothing on a huge air sandwich that the best thing she managed

00:28:48.300 to do was get labeled a brat, brat summer in a way that we were supposed to think was

00:28:52.540 favorable.

00:28:53.520 OK, Doug Schoen, my old pal.

00:28:55.820 He's a Fox News contributor and a Democrat, lifelong Democrat.

00:28:59.080 And he is making the case for AOC, why AOC could take the White House in 2028, not just

00:29:06.660 the Dem nomination.

00:29:07.920 And Kamala Harris won't.

00:29:09.980 He says AOC appears to be the front runner for the presidential nomination if she forgoes

00:29:15.460 a Senate campaign because there's a lot of buzz about her taking down Chuck Schumer.

00:29:18.860 I say this for multiple reasons.

00:29:20.300 First, it could be argued that she's even stronger than the other candidates at this moment in their

00:29:24.280 careers or respective races.

00:29:25.960 She talks about how she's better known and polling better than somebody like a Barack

00:29:31.840 Obama that he looks at 2020.

00:29:34.160 And at that point, she's got better numbers at this point in this race than President Biden

00:29:41.200 and Oprah had in 2020 and the speculation around that race.

00:29:45.200 So that's interesting that she's polling higher at this point than even Biden was.

00:29:48.980 And he became the nominee.

00:29:50.580 And then he says, OK, right now she ranks third, according to Democratic primary polls.

00:29:57.520 It's an aggregator he's citing.

00:29:58.940 So he's this is like an average of them behind only Pete Buttigieg and Gavin Newsom.

00:30:04.160 Gavin Newsom's at 13 percent.

00:30:06.580 And so is Pete Buttigieg.

00:30:07.840 They're basically tied at 13.

00:30:09.400 And AOC is at 10 percent.

00:30:12.440 This is when Harris, however, is not included.

00:30:14.620 Then he points out when polls with Harris are included, the former VP gets 21 percent.

00:30:21.020 So she's above everybody.

00:30:22.300 But he says that's well below even a 30 percent barrier.

00:30:26.560 Her support has dropped 14 points since January, whereas AOC's has gone up by nine percent percentage

00:30:34.500 points.

00:30:35.220 So she was at one.

00:30:36.500 She's now at 10 because she's been out there on her fight the oligarchy tour, which she takes

00:30:41.920 on a private jet, but she's been popular.

00:30:44.740 She's been filling the seats.

00:30:46.720 And this new brand of Democrat socialism is selling in certain corners.

00:30:52.140 He says in individual polls where Harris and AOC are tested together, AOC holds a four point

00:30:58.840 lead over the former VP, 19 percent to Kamala Harris's 15, according to Atlas Intel polling.

00:31:06.260 Her favorability rating, again, per Atlas Intel, two points higher than President Trump's.

00:31:10.960 She's at 46.

00:31:12.300 He's at 44.

00:31:13.460 J.D.

00:31:13.820 Vance, 42.

00:31:14.600 Kamala Harris, 42.

00:31:16.120 Now, AOC has not run for president, and that'll take a beating.

00:31:19.200 That'll give a beating to your favorability, no matter who you are.

00:31:22.620 And so, you know, query whether that's going to factor in more later.

00:31:26.540 But in any event, she's also a dominant fundraiser.

00:31:28.980 She's able to generate enthusiasm.

00:31:30.400 And he points out on the money raising front, she's raised more than 15 million dollars in

00:31:35.960 2025, almost double Speaker Mike Johnson, with 99 percent of it coming from small dollar

00:31:42.580 donors.

00:31:44.160 That's fascinating.

00:31:45.740 Michael Knowles, that she's on the rise, AOC, as is her brand of democracy, meaning socialism.

00:31:52.700 And the old school, you know, air sandwich Kamala Harris, well, no.

00:31:57.660 But even the Gavin Newsom's and the Pete Buttigieg's of the world, who are woke, they're woke leftists,

00:32:03.500 are on the outs.

00:32:04.240 AOC is a real presidential candidate, and she's probably the strongest candidate for the

00:32:10.700 Democrat nomination in 2028.

00:32:13.280 To me, it's clear as day.

00:32:15.400 She's a much more persuasive candidate than Kamala or Pete Buttigieg.

00:32:19.780 Newsom is talented because he manages to be somewhat likable, even while he is being caught

00:32:27.160 in egregious lies, like going to French Laundry when he shut down all the establishments in

00:32:31.800 his own state of California, even when he's burning major cities to the ground through

00:32:36.260 his incompetent policies.

00:32:37.560 He's Nero.

00:32:39.040 He's Nero.

00:32:39.560 He is Nero.

00:32:40.660 But he's pretty good looking.

00:32:43.080 He's pretty articulate.

00:32:44.140 He's weirdly likable.

00:32:45.560 He's not a bad candidate.

00:32:47.220 In many ways, AOC is even better, because AOC has the advantage of being able to run against

00:32:53.060 her own party.

00:32:54.400 And that can be very helpful in presidential politics.

00:32:58.320 Ronald Reagan won by running against his own party.

00:33:00.600 Bill Clinton won by running against his own party.

00:33:03.400 Barack Obama won by running against his own party.

00:33:05.920 Donald Trump won by running against his own party.

00:33:08.400 So I think, actually, she's in a pretty good spot.

00:33:12.400 And if she's debating between running for Senate in New York or running for president,

00:33:17.620 she'd be much smarter to run for president.

00:33:19.440 Because if you're running in New York, the Schumer machine is going to be very difficult

00:33:23.340 to take down.

00:33:24.200 People actually know her a little bit better in New York.

00:33:26.400 They see that she's a liar and a fraud and would not be very good for the state.

00:33:32.360 A congressional Kardashian.

00:33:34.760 Yes, yes.

00:33:35.660 I mean, she's kind of glitzy and glamorous on a national stage.

00:33:38.380 She's already making swings through places like Idaho on this tour with Bernie Sanders.

00:33:43.640 So I hate to say it.

00:33:46.180 It's sending a shiver down my spine.

00:33:47.760 I think she's a pretty strong presidential candidate.

00:33:50.760 Mm-hmm.

00:33:51.800 I said more so than Newsom and Buttigieg.

00:33:54.720 That's not correct.

00:33:55.460 Just correcting myself.

00:33:56.280 They technically have three percentage points ahead of her.

00:33:59.080 But the point is simply, she's on the rise without really having done much other than

00:34:03.560 push her anti-oligarchy tour.

00:34:06.440 Those two seem a lot more thirsty for the nomination, including Gavin Newsom actually going to South

00:34:11.600 Carolina and doing all these podcasts and so on.

00:34:13.780 So, you know, her stock is going up from her just doing her normal thing.

00:34:18.040 On the Schumer front, Doug Schoen points out a poll conducted earlier this spring showed

00:34:22.400 AOC leading Schumer by almost 20 points, 55 to 36.

00:34:29.900 And he says Democrats would likely be encouraged by the idea of having a younger candidate than

00:34:33.900 the 74-year-old incumbent.

00:34:36.160 And so that's what brings me to these Democrat socialists of America.

00:34:39.800 Now, I have never paid too much attention to them.

00:34:42.420 The main introduction I got to this group was when, literally on 10-8, 2023, the day

00:34:50.460 after the disgusting, awful massacre in Israel, they gathered in Times Square, blaming it all

00:34:57.760 on Israel and celebrating what had happened to the innocent Israeli babies.

00:35:03.220 They thought it was fantastic.

00:35:04.820 They were literally in the streets of Times Square celebrating it all and blaming it all

00:35:09.460 on Israel.

00:35:09.840 Okay, who's that again?

00:35:11.600 I said, Democrat who?

00:35:13.280 Socialists of America.

00:35:14.700 Now, they've got, you know, I mean, that's what AOC is.

00:35:18.700 It's effectively what Bernie Sanders is.

00:35:21.180 It's 100% actually what Mamdani is, the likely next mayor of New York City.

00:35:27.380 And now in New York, we have a group called the Democratic Socialists of America.

00:35:32.580 That was the group that was out there in Times Square.

00:35:34.540 And they're organized.

00:35:36.000 They're enthused.

00:35:36.680 They are feeling the wind at their backs because of Mamdani.

00:35:40.380 And they're explaining explicitly what they're all about.

00:35:43.840 This was posted by somebody who works for the Manhattan Institute, who I guess bothered

00:35:47.420 to go to their little convention and get tape of them talking about their plans.

00:35:51.380 And this is Mamdani's party, okay?

00:35:54.700 So when this guy, our understanding is he's extremely close to Mamdani.

00:35:58.460 His name, you're going to hear the soundbite.

00:35:59.800 His name is Daniel Goulden.

00:36:01.260 He is a member of the New York City Democratic Socialists of America Steering Committee.

00:36:04.700 And per Stu Smith, who's with the Manhattan Institute, who posted this, Stu says that

00:36:11.560 this guy, Daniel Goulden, worked on Mamdani's campaign, helped write his platform when it

00:36:16.700 comes to trans policy, says that he regularly meets with Mamdani and Mamdani's staff, and

00:36:23.540 said at this conference, quote, the Democratic Socialists of America have regular meetings

00:36:27.480 with Mamdani, let alone his team.

00:36:29.840 His policy director is my friend, says this guy you're about to hear from.

00:36:33.440 And I've been working with his campaign manager for well over a year.

00:36:37.160 Well, what is it they've been working on?

00:36:39.940 Take a listen to this.

00:36:42.840 Zoran is literally attempting to do what conservatives say, you know, we want to do, which is provide

00:36:49.080 gender-affirming care to anyone who wants it for free.

00:36:51.240 And we're going to like ship people, we're going to fly people in and pay for their hotel

00:36:54.000 rooms, and we're going to do all of the like Fox News.

00:36:56.240 But most importantly is we collaborated with the Zoran Mamdani campaign on his trans rights

00:37:01.500 platform. And what we explicitly wanted to do was use the power of New York City to provide

00:37:07.920 free gender-affirming care. And I say free in case insurance companies decide to boot

00:37:12.460 us off. Free gender-affirming care, not just to people in New York City, but across the

00:37:17.100 country.

00:37:17.380 With Zoran, we're in basically the best possible position to seize state power that we can be

00:37:25.700 in because, you know, we're like this, right? DSA has regular meetings with him, let alone

00:37:31.780 his team. His policy director is my friend. I've been working with his campaign manager

00:37:36.420 for well over a year. New York City could provide trans health care for every trans person in

00:37:43.240 the country who, you know, can't afford it. And it, like, it would be a blip on our radar.

00:37:50.940 Okay. Just for listening audience, everybody on the panel was wearing a mask. They were wearing a

00:37:55.640 mask. This just happened. This just happened. You couldn't quite hear him as well in the beginning

00:37:59.620 because mid-comments he took off his mask so we could hear. It was very important that we hear

00:38:04.180 his comments that New York City is going to provide so-called gender-affirming care

00:38:08.940 for everyone in the nation that the plan is that they could, they could be flown to New York. We

00:38:13.880 would put them up in hotels. They would be given, quote, free, meaning the taxpayers of New York

00:38:19.420 City would pay for it. Chopping off of miners' penises. That's what you're going to be paying

00:38:25.000 for if you live in New York with this Zoran Mamdani from the guy who says, we're like this,

00:38:30.000 with the fingers crossed. We're that tight. We're working with him. We're the ones he got his

00:38:33.540 platform from. This is horrifying. And my question is, I love Andrew Schultz. He's a frequent guest

00:38:39.660 of the show and he's brilliant. He's been saying nice things about Mamdani and I get it. He's

00:38:44.600 talking about affordability and so on. And he's a lifelong Democrat now and independent.

00:38:48.520 I really want him to look at that. I want him to look at that and tell me how he feels about it

00:38:52.420 because I trust his opinion on things like this. He's not a nutcase. There's zero chance he supports

00:38:57.860 this. And tell me how people are going to vote for that. How? How, how, how? Your thoughts, Michael?

00:39:04.440 Looking at that clip, I am reminded that all stereotypes are true. It's always the ones

00:39:09.380 you most expect. If you told me, Michael, close your eyes, draw a picture of the Democrat socialists

00:39:15.200 meeting, I would have drawn exactly the image that we saw there. And the way that he's bragging about

00:39:22.540 this, it's, it's illustrative because he says, you know, these conservatives are always prattling

00:39:27.300 on about how we're, we want to trans everybody and fly people in and pay for all these mutilating

00:39:32.100 surgeries. And why don't we just do that? Why don't we just do that? He's saying, yes, they're right

00:39:37.860 about us. We do want to do this. Sometimes you'll hear Democrats say, oh, these Republicans are fear

00:39:42.720 mongering and that's not real. No, no, no. Listen to the Democrat socialist chief over there

00:39:47.120 says, no, no, we do want to do that. And so the next squishy Democrat defense is, well, look,

00:39:53.220 some people want to do this, but they don't have any real political power in the party.

00:39:56.320 And what the Mamdani election tells you is, yes, they do. They have taken over the party in many

00:40:01.720 ways. AOC is a top presidential candidate and Mamdani is probably going to be the next mayor of

00:40:07.240 New York. So these people do have political power. When someone tells you who he is, believe him.

00:40:12.880 The conservatives have been right about everything the whole time. In fact, this is just

00:40:17.040 generally true of social conservatives. Any debate that pops up over abortion, over marriage,

00:40:22.600 over trans, over whatever, they'll say, oh, you conservatives, you and your slippery slope

00:40:26.780 arguments, you're always worried that the sky is going to fall. Every single slippery slope argument

00:40:32.080 ever made by social conservatives has come true. This guy is admitting it. So we all agree. And if they

00:40:38.640 don't change something in New York soon, it's going to be a political reality.

00:40:42.400 And not just New York. I mean, AOC, as we just discussed, could be ascending to the presidency,

00:40:50.640 to at least the presidential level. And there's not a thing that Zoran Mamdani believes that she

00:40:56.340 doesn't believe, too. From defund the police to free so-called gender-affirming care for trans people

00:41:03.160 and minors. It's amazing. Where do these absolute losers think they're going to get all this money from?

00:41:08.940 Literally. There aren't enough taxpayers in New York to fund gender-affirming care for everyone

00:41:15.560 in the nation to come to New York. The hotels are already full of the illegal immigrants.

00:41:21.660 It's insane. That was far enough left under Eric Adams. And now, by the way, Eric Adams is saying nice

00:41:28.000 things about how he had some great meeting with the Mamdani team. Okay, this guy will kiss anybody's ass

00:41:33.380 just to get a job at this point. You know, first it was Trump's, so he got rid of that federal prosecution.

00:41:38.940 Now he's, what, going to buddy up to Zoran Mamdani because he knows he's losing? But what, he wants a post

00:41:43.600 in that administration? I mean, the only one left to save New York is sadly the sex pest, the lover of the

00:41:51.480 fannies and killer of the grannies, Andrew Cuomo. Curtis Lewa quoted that. That wasn't me. Curtis is still in there,

00:41:58.260 everybody has no chance. No Republican does. I love him. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat, but I'm just

00:42:01.580 saying. So that's it. That's what New York has. But just zooming out, this party, to your point,

00:42:08.660 is ascending. The American people are turning to these socialists as like, in the same way that

00:42:17.040 the Republicans turned to Trump. You know, they were sick of the Republican party and the Republican

00:42:22.260 dogma. And there's another girl who spoke at this Democrat Socialist of America convention,

00:42:27.000 whatever it was. And she said, first of all, I just want to start by saying everybody here hates

00:42:32.000 the Democratic party. So I get it. Like, they're frustrated with it. They don't think that they're

00:42:36.740 standing up for what they believe in. And there's a large faction of Democrats, in particular younger

00:42:43.480 people, who are feeling totally energized by these people because of things like they can't afford a

00:42:49.560 home. No young person can afford a home. And they think that these people are going to help them.

00:42:54.260 And they've been totally fucking brainwashed by K through 12 woke schools and Ivy League colleges

00:43:01.200 on things like race and oppression and oppressor narratives. So they think that Israel's the devil

00:43:08.280 and the Palestinians are the truly noble ones. And they hate what the Democrat party and America has

00:43:13.860 done in supporting Israel. And so they're completely with that's why they were out there chanting

00:43:18.480 in favor of Hamas on 10-8. That's what they find attractive about this group, Michael. And it's

00:43:24.940 real. Like, we have to pay attention to it. Certainly. I mean, you can see it just focusing

00:43:30.100 on the left. Now in New York, the debate, the broad spectrum of politics goes from should we fill up

00:43:37.120 all the hotels with illegal alien gangsters or should we fill up all the hotels with transgenderists who

00:43:44.300 want to chop off their body parts? That's it. That's that's the debate. Okay, that means that New York

00:43:48.680 is quite left at the moment. But more broadly, if you look at the right, you see that there's a

00:43:54.340 similar phenomenon going on. And we even use similar language for it. So the left has become woke. And for

00:44:00.460 the right, we say we take the red pill, you know, we use the imagery from the matrix. But it's much the

00:44:06.420 same thing. It's to say, we've been living under an illusion. And we've come out of that illusion. And we

00:44:11.660 realize that what we took for granted in our political order was actually just imagined and

00:44:16.540 illusory. And there's there's a more gripping reality that we have to deal with. The way that

00:44:21.560 they're dealing with that on the left is to embrace socialism and all manner of radical ideologies.

00:44:28.560 And the way that people are dealing with it on the right is to embrace, I think, at the best,

00:44:33.580 in the best way they're dealing with it is embracing a more classical understanding of politics,

00:44:38.040 that's more substantive, that's less obsessed with procedure, that really deals with virtue,

00:44:43.580 and what is most conducive to our flourishing, that's even open to discussing concepts like the

00:44:47.560 common good. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff there. But but this happens regularly in politics.

00:44:52.320 It's a cyclical phenomenon. At a certain point, you say, okay, our political order is just kind of

00:44:57.000 fake, you know, and it's not even our top line economic numbers don't reflect the reality on the

00:45:01.500 ground of young people can't buy houses and are stuck under mountains of debt. So we have to accept

00:45:07.020 that we're not going to remain in the 1990s consensus for very long, we have to deal with

00:45:12.940 what's changing in our politics. But we can either go march with a keffia wearing Hamas supporters

00:45:19.600 and embrace socialism for the trans illegal alien gangsters of Guatemala, or we can go back to the

00:45:27.240 very best of our country and pull something up that even the Republican Party, even the conservative

00:45:31.160 movement has neglected something deeper in our wellspring, but that is nevertheless patriotic,

00:45:37.000 pro-American, conducive to the common good. I mean, I'm seeing that happen on the right.

00:45:42.380 That's what won the day in November. That's what the MAGA movement is largely about. That's what the

00:45:46.680 new right is largely about. But regardless, we've got these these much more polarized extremes now.

00:45:53.740 And if we don't win those elections, we're going to be facing a very different country.

00:45:57.600 It's happening. It's happening before our very eyes. I mean, I don't, did you see that chart that

00:46:03.140 was all over X this weekend on the homeownership graph over the past like 50 years? And it was

00:46:09.020 showing, um, hold on a second. I just, just saw it. Um, okay. Yeah. Okay. A mere 12% of 30 year olds

00:46:18.480 are married and own a home right now. 12% of 30 year olds. And the graph shows it's basically,

00:46:26.960 okay. From 1950, the S the percentage of 30 year olds who were both married and homeowners. Okay.

00:46:34.380 1950, it was over 50%. And in 2020, it is under 15%. In 2020, it is under 15. Like I said,

00:46:46.460 it's 12% of people who are 30 and also married and own a home. They're not getting married and they

00:46:57.160 cannot afford a home. That's the reason. The reason they don't own a home is because

00:47:00.540 they cannot afford one. Uh, I'm sure they'd love to own one, but they cannot afford it. And we just

00:47:05.600 continue to laugh at people like mom, Donnie, who is an absurd character when it comes to policies,

00:47:13.560 but we're not actively fixing the problem that is driving people to him. You know, I mean,

00:47:21.020 Trump tried Trump actually said, Hey, no taxes on tips and no taxes on overtime. And let's cut taxes

00:47:28.960 for everybody across the board, including the working class who pay the least in taxes, but

00:47:33.720 let's cut their taxes too. And, and did it, you know, I mean, but keeping those Trump tax cuts

00:47:38.260 permanent is, is a cut in your taxes because the Democrats were about to raise them by a lot.

00:47:42.120 They were about to expire and the Democrats would not have approved the, the lowering of them back

00:47:47.060 to what Trump had in term, term 1.0, but that's not going to get it done. Michael, you know,

00:47:52.760 Trump's running around telling the fed to lower interest rates so people can buy homes and so on,

00:47:55.820 but even that's not going to get it done. You know, right now we had a downward revision on the

00:48:00.100 jobs numbers. Trump fired the woman who runs the Bureau of Labor Statistics. And let's face it,

00:48:04.860 those numbers were all over the board. And this person, I realized she's just a data input,

00:48:08.500 like control, enter kind of person, but the jobs numbers haven't been as strong as we want.

00:48:16.120 And all of this is building towards support for radicalism.

00:48:21.340 Yes. Yes. And, and so it, look, it's good to pay some attention to economic factors because if

00:48:27.580 the economy were more well-rounded and sound, and if there were greater support in the private and

00:48:33.780 public sectors for families, then you'd probably see more people getting married and having kids,

00:48:37.400 but people got married during the great depression, didn't they? We've had plenty of

00:48:42.340 very serious economic crises throughout American history, and it never destroyed the marriage rate

00:48:48.340 and stopped people from having kids. Something else has obviously happened. When I see a chart like

00:48:53.440 that, when I see the takeaway that people aren't getting married or having kids anymore,

00:48:57.620 my reaction to that is, why should they? Why should they? I'll tell them why. The reason why is

00:49:03.600 because it's good for you and it will lead you to have a more flourishing life and it's the thing

00:49:07.420 you should do. But if you're just a random person who's been educated over the last 30 years in

00:49:14.500 America, you've been told that God doesn't exist. So, you know, be fruitful and multiply, you know,

00:49:20.700 leave your parents and join together. That's not going to persuade you. You've been told that the

00:49:25.540 most important thing is to just do whatever fulfills you at any given moment. You're the only

00:49:29.680 person you should think about. Not moral obligations, not your obligation to your community, not close

00:49:34.140 your eyes and think of England to have kids. No, no, just think about whatever you want. Your career

00:49:38.820 is all that matters. Your money is all that matters. So, okay, then we've been told that marriage isn't

00:49:42.420 anything real. It doesn't come from nature. It's not part of what it means to be a human. No, it's just

00:49:47.140 a thing we can rewrite. If Anthony Kennedy wants to write some romantic poetry from the Supreme Court

00:49:51.280 one day, we can redefine it. And no longer will it be between a man and a woman. It could

00:49:55.440 be two fellas or two ladies or three guys and a billy goat. Who knows? So it's an artifice. Who

00:50:00.380 needs it? You know, it's just like a piece of paper, man. And why have kids? Kids are a burden.

00:50:04.880 They're a sexually transmitted disease and they're going to limit your freedom. So 30 years of this,

00:50:09.820 Megan, 50 years of this, why should people get married? Why should we be surprised when they don't

00:50:15.580 want to? Oh gosh, it's chilling, but you're 100% right. And you made a great point earlier about all

00:50:22.380 the slippery slope arguments have come true. I mean, I feel like I've lived that personally over

00:50:26.680 the past 20 years in media, just watching conservatives warn and be called, you know,

00:50:32.300 these uptight bigots, whatever. I mean, all the terms and yet it's all come true. I mean,

00:50:38.580 it really like marriage no longer means anything. Um, the thruple is all the rage, um, you know,

00:50:45.060 incubate a baby with absolutely no connection to a mother is the next wave of all of this.

00:50:52.140 Just like grow one in an incubator with no mother present whatsoever. Um, these are dark times and

00:50:57.760 you're right. It's having a real effect that, that better explains that marriage number and

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00:52:26.900 Michael, no better place to continue our discussion than the Sydney Sweeney update. This

00:52:32.740 actress decided to star in an ad for American Eagle jeans. She celebrated her jeans, play on words,

00:52:42.060 both the jeans she had on her body and the jeans she has in her body. The leftist meltdown continues.

00:52:48.220 I'll just give you the latest turning point. Sent a reporter named Savannah Hernandez to go

00:52:54.280 ask a bunch of liberals at some sort of a conference how they feel about the Sweeney ad

00:52:59.160 and got some fresh reaction. Here's how that went over the weekend.

00:53:02.700 The Sydney Sweeney ad. Have you seen it? Oh, yes, I have. What are your thoughts?

00:53:10.960 Trying to call myself, but that was a girl. Sydney Sweeney has good gene. Really? Like

00:53:18.980 the eugenics in that it's dripping with it. And I'm like, no, I mean, I thought, you know,

00:53:26.140 it was disgusting. I think it's just showing what kind of country we're turning into. It's

00:53:32.420 white supremacy at the end of the day. That's what this ad is representing. Comparing the blue

00:53:37.800 jeans to blue jeans, blue blood, white hair, eyes, or not white hair, but like blonde hair,

00:53:43.720 blue eyes. And there's been a lot of comparison to that. I think it's absolutely unacceptable.

00:53:48.560 Yeah, that's not a good look. Yeah, I mean, you know, she's blonde hair, blue eyed,

00:53:53.060 white woman, you know, very cute. And whatever the intentions were, the impact is, is very

00:53:59.080 problematic. It's just, it's not acceptable to begin with. I mean, ironically, what I'd really

00:54:04.480 love to do for all those women is introduce them to the glories of self-tanner. Just one

00:54:08.980 little application. It doesn't take much, takes off 10 pounds, makes you feel like a million bucks.

00:54:14.400 I like, they're, they're, they're a little too, those ladies themselves, a little too in favor of

00:54:19.360 white skin, in my opinion. They're the, they're the eugenicists, Michael. Uh, they're all homely.

00:54:25.320 They're all overweight. They're at something called a rage against the regime protest where the number

00:54:30.440 one rule, I looked it up on the back of that, that woman has a sign. And the number one rule is

00:54:34.740 wear PPE, your personal protective equipment, like, like it's COVID, like it's March, 2020.

00:54:40.680 And they're really pissed off about Sydney Sweeney and her genes, Michael.

00:54:46.080 Hot girls have aroused the ire of many, many a lady in the course of history.

00:54:51.560 I'm trying to figure out what their exact claim is. So you heard that the first lady starts out

00:54:56.780 talking about eugenics as the problem with this ad is it promotes eugenics, which is ironic because,

00:55:02.120 you know, every single one of those women supports Planned Parenthood, wants federal funding to

00:55:06.140 Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood was founded in the eugenics movement by one of the

00:55:10.560 most prominent eugenicists in the country for eugenics purposes.

00:55:15.080 Yes. She actually wanted to kill black babies.

00:55:17.900 Yes. In fact, I think the line from Woman in the New Race is we don't want word to get out

00:55:21.520 that we want to exterminate the Negro population, which, however one reads the phrase, would seem

00:55:27.080 to undercut the argument of these women. So that's the first part. Eugenics is good. Sometimes it's bad.

00:55:33.080 Sometimes I guess in reality, by a broad definition, marrying a hot person is a form of eugenics in the

00:55:40.480 sense that eugenics just means good genes. So everyone wants to marry the hottest, smartest,

00:55:46.080 coolest person they can find. That's a that's a kind of eugenics, I guess. The bad kind of eugenics is

00:55:51.420 like Planned Parenthood when you want to kill a bunch of babies or Hitler where you want to exterminate

00:55:54.920 whole races. But but there's a good kind, I guess. You know, people have good genes, which brings me to my

00:55:59.120 second question. It is the left now claiming that some people are not born naturally more beautiful than

00:56:07.720 others. Is that is that the claim? The claim is that everyone is naturally just as hot. Are they going to

00:56:14.440 look they tell a lot of lies about biology and human nature and society, but they're going to look us in the

00:56:20.640 face and say some people are not born hotter than others. Sidney Sweeney looks just like every other woman

00:56:27.640 that's ever been born. Is that that's yes. Is that the argument? Yes, that is how they talk. That's why

00:56:33.160 you as a cisgendered heterosexual male are a transphobe and a bigot. If you if you were single would

00:56:43.460 refuse to date a trans woman as opposed to an actual woman, you have to like penis if it's attached to

00:56:53.140 someone wearing a dress with fake boobs or you're a bigot. Those are their rules, I guess. Actually,

00:57:00.980 that's a very good point. Megan's very insightful about liberalism, which is that liberalism broadly

00:57:05.720 is about denying natural difference. So we're told that when we're born, we're all tabula rasa. We're

00:57:11.460 all just total blank slates. Every child can be an astronaut or the president. There is no distinction

00:57:17.220 whatsoever. And the fact is, that isn't true. I flatter myself that I was the product of at least

00:57:23.080 some eugenicist calculations. I hope so. But I'm probably not. I'm probably not going to be an NBA

00:57:29.480 star. That's probably not going to happen. I'm probably not. I don't know. I'm not gonna be a

00:57:33.420 linebacker. That's for sure. I'm not I don't know. I'm not even going to be able to be a mathematician,

00:57:38.380 probably. You know, there are certain intellectual linebacker. Yes, yes, that's right. There are limits

00:57:45.240 that are just placed on human beings. And one of those limits is we look a certain way, you know,

00:57:51.620 we have bodies where and some bodies look better than others. And I guess this is the thrust of the

00:57:57.620 American Eagle ad is, you know, this rediscovery of marketing 101, that when you put very beautiful

00:58:04.760 people in a product, you sell more of that product. And I think I'm sure this conversation

00:58:10.620 actually did take place in the boardroom. I'm sure that that when they pitched this ad, they said,

00:58:15.740 look, we're going to do something really, really edgy that hasn't been done for 10 years. It's going

00:58:19.860 to be the opposite of that Jaguar eunuch androgynous commercial from six months ago. We're going to put

00:58:25.080 a really hot lady in the jeans and say, this lady is really hot by the jeans. And we're going to do

00:58:31.100 we're going to do what marketers did for all of human history. And we think it's going to work

00:58:36.380 again. They're so right. They've made $200 million, at least off of this ad, according to the stock

00:58:43.060 price rise and market cap. And now it's even up higher because president Trump tweeted about it

00:58:49.840 posted on truth social, which also makes his way over to X the following. This is one of the classic

00:58:54.680 Trump tweets of all time. And that's saying something now he found out that she's a registered

00:59:00.040 Republican that hit the news this weekend. Sidney Sweeney, a registered Republican has the hottest

00:59:05.900 ad out there. He writes it's for American Eagle and the jeans are flying off of the shelves.

00:59:11.740 Go get them, Sidney! Exclamation point. On the other side of the ledger, Jaguar did a stupid and

00:59:18.360 seriously woke advertisement. That is a total disaster. In all caps, the CEO just resigned in

00:59:24.460 disgrace and the company is in absolute turmoil. Who wants to buy a Jaguar after looking at that

00:59:29.880 disgraceful ad? I'll show it to you in a minute, audience. Shouldn't they have learned a lesson

00:59:34.180 from Bud Light, which went woke and essentially destroyed in a short campaign, the company? The

00:59:40.040 market cap destruction has been unprecedented with billions of dollars so foolishly lost.

00:59:44.880 Or just look at woke singer Taylor Swift. Here we go, cherry on top. Ever since I alerted the world as

00:59:51.120 to what she was by saying on truth that I can't stand her hate, in all caps with an exclamation point,

00:59:57.320 she was booed out of the Super Bowl and became no longer hot, in all caps. The tide has seriously

01:00:05.600 turned. Being woke is for losers. Being Republican is what you want to be. Thank you for your attention

01:00:12.660 to this matter. It's the greatest. It's no right. He's right. What did he say that was wrong in there?

01:00:21.840 Absolutely nothing. And if you doubt me, folks at home, here's the Jaguar ad, which doesn't even show

01:00:28.220 a damn car. It just shows a bunch of ugly pride people. Here it is.

01:00:33.320 It's like from the year 3000 for the listening audience. It says create exuberant. It's people

01:00:44.000 in like orange and red live vivid. A man with little Lord Fauntleroy hair painting something.

01:00:52.340 I don't know what that is. Everyone's androgynous. There's no gender.

01:00:55.340 Everyone's androgynous. That's the key feature. You can't see like copy nothing. Where's the

01:01:01.600 fucking car? Okay. Where's the Jaguar? There's no car. I just want to say this, Michael Knowles.

01:01:07.980 When I was a young lawyer at Bickle and Brewer, which is a very cool firm. It was like Rambo

01:01:12.400 litigation. We were tough. I loved it. If you made partner there, they would get you a Jaguar.

01:01:17.820 And the Jaguars back then, this is 1995. They were gorgeous. They were sleek. You could get it

01:01:23.880 in white or green. And they had the little Jaguar on the front. And it was like a man's sports car

01:01:29.600 because it was an overwhelmingly male firm as most law firms were. And it was like hashtag goals to

01:01:34.520 get a Jaguar. Now you've got the Dylan Mulvaney of sports cars. And guess what? No one wanted one.

01:01:43.520 Trump is 100% right. They just canned their loser, weird, also androgynous looking CEO who was all

01:01:50.620 about the pride and leaned into that weird messaging, tanking the brand. And now they've got

01:01:57.100 to rebuild from basically scratch. Now Jaguar really is the bud light of cars. And American Eagle went a

01:02:03.620 different route and is rolling in money. Of course. You know, when you look at the Jaguar ad,

01:02:10.940 what's striking about it is not that these people couldn't look good. Some of them could look pretty

01:02:16.860 good. You know, a man can look good. A woman can look good. A white person can look good. A black

01:02:21.600 person can look good. But you're going to look good by being what you are, what you are naturally

01:02:28.900 good at and good for. So when a man acts like a man, he can look good. When a man acts like a woman,

01:02:36.040 he's never going to look good. Same thing with the women.

01:02:37.940 Just to point out, when they started that ad, I don't know what that was. That first person that

01:02:42.140 came out had breasts, but looked like a man and walked like a man and had a huge afro that was

01:02:47.240 androgynous. So no way of telling. But the person was walking exactly like a man with boobs. Keep

01:02:53.180 going.

01:02:54.060 Yes, this is the problem. I mean, even down to grotesque pictures through all of history, I think

01:03:00.160 even down to the really grotesque demonic image of Baphomet, a very famous image, what is distinctive

01:03:07.280 about it is, it's the mixing of all these features, human and animal, male and female,

01:03:12.820 but all together. But it's all jumbled in a way that's totally incoherent and naturally repellent.

01:03:17.860 Whereas American Eagle gets this really good looking woman, and she's wearing ladies jeans,

01:03:24.560 and she's walking like a lady, and she's talking like a lady. They could have made commercials with

01:03:29.040 a guy. They could have made commercials with people of other races. They could have done any number of

01:03:34.180 commercials that would have worked. She happens to be the Hollywood starlet at the moment right now.

01:03:39.220 And Trump is this absolute culture vulture who just gets where the winds are moving. Because the

01:03:45.920 one pushback I've heard to conservatives happy about Sidney Sweeney, two pushbacks, but one in

01:03:51.940 particular is, well, I thought we didn't care what celebrities think. And I thought, listen,

01:03:57.360 you're telling me the people have said now for 20 years, politics is downstream of culture,

01:04:00.880 and we need to win back the culture, and we need pop culture figures, whatever. Of course,

01:04:05.280 it matters what celebrities think. This is politics. Politics is the public. These are public figures.

01:04:10.520 They do carry sway. They do influence people. We have parasocial attachments to them. We say we don't

01:04:15.620 care what celebrities think, because the celebrities used to be uniformly on the left. But President Trump,

01:04:21.500 being a massive celebrity and pop culture figure, when he took over the Republican Party,

01:04:26.320 that really opened the gates to conservatives to be able to assert ourselves in pop culture.

01:04:31.580 Final point on Sidney Sweeney, now that it's come out that she's a registered Republican. A lot of

01:04:35.980 people are surprised by this. It's because they don't know one of the rules of thumb in Hollywood,

01:04:40.400 which is, if a celebrity is not constantly braying about his politics, he's a Republican.

01:04:47.660 Yes. Every time. Yes. Every single time. 100%. I know a lot of them. I've known them for years,

01:04:55.320 and they stay underground because they love acting, and it's totally understandable. And you

01:05:00.060 yourself are a famous child actor. So you are of Hollywood, and you know this firsthand. I'm sure

01:05:04.980 they just keep their mouths shut. If you don't know what their political affiliation is,

01:05:09.280 they're a Republican. You could lose your whole livelihood, of course. And so you see someone like

01:05:15.040 Sidney Sweeney. And the thing that I really love about her as a public figure is, she's pretty,

01:05:22.340 she's a pretty good actress, and she doesn't, she just leaves it at that. She just seems nice,

01:05:28.400 seems kind of pleasant, seems generally happy, isn't yelling at me about abortion or whatever.

01:05:34.460 She's just, she's great. She's just exactly what you expect out of a Hollywood starlet.

01:05:38.800 And because of that, she was obviously a Republican. Obvious. Totally obvious. And now

01:05:45.860 we see the video getting released online of her at the shooting range, doing rather well. This hit

01:05:52.240 over the weekend. Watch. Guys, up here.

01:06:06.900 Wow. 921. Oh my god, girl. Your first time? That was really good. You're going dog nuts.

01:06:15.780 You're dreading, girl. Yes.

01:06:19.260 Sidney Sweeney has great splits.

01:06:22.820 Okay, so there we go. You get it. She's, I mean, all you had to show us was that video,

01:06:28.420 and we would have known she was a Republican. We didn't actually need somebody to dig up the

01:06:32.400 voter registration. Yes. Look, I don't, I don't need Sidney Sweeney now to go out there

01:06:37.960 and talk about how great Edmund Burke is. I don't need her to go out there and lecture on

01:06:43.700 the Federalist Papers. I don't need, I don't, Sidney Sweeney, if she just wants to keep doing

01:06:48.740 what she's doing, being a prominent Hollywood actress, playing, you know, playing her parts,

01:06:54.560 doing her movies, and just opening up that aperture, just, just not being on the left,

01:07:00.540 just, just pointing out that now that screechy, whiny, cringe-inducing, saccharine, insufferable

01:07:09.220 culture of leftist Hollywood is on the back foot, and people don't really like it anymore,

01:07:13.780 and we actually just re-elected, with the popular vote, one of the most famous right-wing

01:07:19.380 celebrities of, of our lifetime. You know, great. I'll, I'll take, that is the win. It's not that

01:07:26.520 the right needs to constantly dominate everything explicitly. We just want to be the normal,

01:07:32.640 and right now, the normal is not, uh, you know, Susan Sarandon ranting about some leftist cause.

01:07:38.860 Right now, the normal is Sidney Sweeney and Donald Trump. Yes, you're so right. We have no desire to

01:07:45.000 become the, the, what the left is right now, these overbearing, preachy control, you know,

01:07:51.320 thought control police at colleges and so on. We just want normal. That's all. Go back to normal.

01:07:56.360 You guys can be your crazy selves, but let, let hold, let go of the minds of our youth and let go

01:08:04.100 of our institutions and your weird totalitarian domination of them to where we can't participate

01:08:11.180 at all in the arts, et cetera, if our politics are known. And that's actually going to be an

01:08:15.920 interesting thing with Sidney Sweeney is to see now because she's the toast of Hollywood. She's the

01:08:19.940 it girl. Now does she get roles? Like I would argue her being called a eugenicist is far less

01:08:28.300 damaging to her career than it emerging that she's a registered Republican. Like that actually will

01:08:33.680 be held against her. And, but yet they're going to want to make money. And these Hollywood bosses are

01:08:39.360 going to have to see, yeah, I'm going to make more money with this one than I am with Lena Dunham.

01:08:44.880 So what do I do? You know, and by the way, I want to show you something. She,

01:08:49.940 first time I ever saw her was in white Lotus where she played one of the daughters of Connie

01:08:54.880 Britain who played like this frazzled, uh, business woman who was there on vacation at

01:09:00.060 this fancy hotel with her family. And her daughter went with her daughter's friend and they were like

01:09:03.800 your typical sort of what, I don't know, whatever. Okay. Like you're understated, um, Gen Z

01:09:13.280 teen types. And, uh, they were based on our friends from Red Scare who come on this podcast.

01:09:21.900 Um, which is perfect because those two have sort of a laconic even tone, even though they're,

01:09:28.780 they have like razor blade tongues. They, they can cut with their intellect. They don't need to

01:09:33.320 do it in any other way. They are the opposite of sweaty tryhards. And so this, she was perfectly

01:09:39.340 cast. And this is how she first came to fame for those of you who are not familiar with Sydney

01:09:43.040 Sweeney, Sweeney's acting roles. Here she is.

01:09:44.880 Where'd you meet him? Through friends?

01:09:49.040 Oh, not Raya.

01:09:51.560 Raya? No, not Raya.

01:09:54.460 How long was the engagement?

01:09:56.360 We actually just met last September.

01:09:59.120 Oh, wow. That was really fast.

01:10:01.160 Yeah. Like, how'd you know he was the one?

01:10:04.160 Oh, I don't know. Um, the chemistry was there and...

01:10:09.880 His dick's not small.

01:10:11.700 I don't know. Shane really wanted to get married and he's very decisive and pretty convincing. So

01:10:20.420 it just felt right.

01:10:23.760 It's amazing. It's amazing, right? It's so well done.

01:10:27.720 You know, that's the only thing I've ever seen Sydney Sweeney in other than this American

01:10:30.880 Eagles commercial.

01:10:31.860 And she was great in it.

01:10:32.440 Same.

01:10:32.620 I thought, yeah, I did notice her. I was like, oh, she's actually, she's very good. And

01:10:36.060 she, she really gets, gets your attention. And, but I didn't know her, uh, certainly didn't

01:10:40.940 know her politics, didn't know anything about that. She became this it girl, I think in part,

01:10:45.700 by the way, as a reaction to the failure of wokeness, because they've been trying to shove

01:10:51.340 all of these like wacky, eccentric, crazy pop, pop stars down our throats for 10 years. And

01:10:56.900 Lena Dunham, as you mentioned, and that it just wasn't working anymore. So, you know,

01:11:02.340 it's, she's, Sydney Sweeney and American Eagle here is both a cause of some of the cultural

01:11:08.460 shift, but also is a reaction to the cultural shift. You saw American Eagle put out that

01:11:12.760 statement said, look, this, this jeans ad is just about how Sydney Sweeney's got great

01:11:16.700 jeans and we make no apologies and it's totally great. And, you know, stuff it, you know,

01:11:20.660 they had written that not apology statement, probably before the campaign launched, they knew

01:11:26.580 how this was going to play out.

01:11:28.280 And he just looked at the numbers. They said, look, Trump won the popular vote. I think a lot

01:11:33.300 of it really does go back to November. Look, this, we're going to face a lot of pressure from

01:11:37.420 activist groups. And when we don't cave to them, we're going to shoot our market cup up even higher.

01:11:43.520 I think what's so wonderful about the Sydney Sweeney American Eagle saga is not just the cultural

01:11:49.360 message, but the fact that it was probably written by calculating accountants with green visors on

01:11:56.140 who just see the way the culture has moved and, and they're affirming for us what a lot of us had

01:12:01.180 already expected.

01:12:02.920 So I, I gave my full thoughts on Sydney Sweeney on Thursday's episode, but I want to add one

01:12:07.940 addendum. I think another thing that people are responding positively to is she, she's all woman.

01:12:14.320 You know, she has a great pair on her that that would be the envy of virtually every woman. And

01:12:22.400 they're obviously natural and she's natural. If she's had work done, it's imperceptible. And so

01:12:28.840 she's like the kind of, in some ways, the opposite of a Kardashian, like she's petite. She, she has,

01:12:36.360 you know, bosoms. I don't know. I can't think of a nice, like polite way of putting it. Um,

01:12:42.440 so she does, she's buxom. Yeah, she's buxom, but like they're natural and her face is not overly

01:12:50.040 prodded or manipulated. She looks normal. She looks like a, just a pretty American girl. Who's not,

01:12:58.520 she hasn't Kardashianized herself. So like you look at her and she's beautiful. She's a natural beauty.

01:13:05.780 And I think that's another thing people are responding to like, I think they're fucking

01:13:09.580 done with like the, the Lauren Sanchez's of the world. I mean, I was just talking to somebody who

01:13:15.560 had seen her at this very public venue. And this person was saying most of the people at this venue

01:13:20.660 were, were well-known and we're looking to like, not, not be spotted, not be in the middle of the

01:13:27.240 fishbowl. And that this person's observation about Lauren Sanchez was, she was like, where's the

01:13:31.440 fishbowl? How can I get in the middle of it? And just kept standing and posing.

01:13:35.940 So she could be seen and admired and looked at. And I just think like, there's a certain,

01:13:41.160 you know, the enormous lips, like the lips that would scare you if you were sitting at the dinner

01:13:45.040 table with them, like your first instinct would be run. I, you know, I'm not safe. What is it?

01:13:50.320 It's people are, they're done with it, Michael. And so here comes this actual natural American beauty

01:13:57.060 who's, she's not like perfect by, by the weird TikTok Instagram filter standard. Do you know

01:14:05.660 what I mean? Like her face? Yeah. Like her face is beautiful, beautiful. Absolutely. But it's not

01:14:10.060 like, it's not like the perfectly skinny, skinny nose and like the big, big lips. And I have to say,

01:14:17.800 it's like nice to see someone who is more of like the classic American beauty totally embraced.

01:14:25.060 I think there's a reset that has happened. I think that's what the Sweeney campaign is about. I think

01:14:30.380 that's what the Trump campaign is about. Really. I was having this conversation with

01:14:33.860 Vocal Distance, a great social media observer of things. And we were talking about Baudrillard,

01:14:39.760 this writer who observed a phenomenon of hyperreality such that, you know, his example was

01:14:47.580 you start out with a strawberry and then you say, I like the strawberry so much. I want strawberry jam.

01:14:51.720 I want even more of the strawberry flavor. And I like the strawberry jam so much. I want a strawberry

01:14:55.260 candy. I like the strawberry candy so much. I want a strawberry syrup. And then I want the

01:15:00.000 strawberry syrup so much. I want a strawberry jolly rancher. And then you go down the line

01:15:03.420 and eventually you have a strawberry jolly rancher syrup. Tastes nothing like the original

01:15:07.900 strawberry. And I think that's basically what has happened to women. You say, I like that nose on

01:15:13.140 that woman. And then you take it further into this realm of plastic surgery to the point that the woman

01:15:18.620 looks like a caricature, like a grotesquerie. And you say, you don't look anything like the pretty

01:15:23.760 woman I was first admiring. I think you see this in politics where you say, okay, things happen in

01:15:29.040 politics. And we come to abstract conclusions about them. But then sometimes we get high on

01:15:33.320 our own supply such that before the Trump moment happened, we had become so ideological about our

01:15:38.800 politics that somehow, you know, being a good patriotic American meant we had to bomb every

01:15:43.800 country in the Middle East. We had to fling open our borders and let the whole world in. We had to

01:15:47.580 ignore the working class. We had to do all of these things that were totally disconnected from on

01:15:52.480 the ground realities of good politics. And I think Trump comes in there and he says, hey, I'm going to have a

01:15:57.180 reset. Yeah, we're going to have borders again. We're going to I'm just running to give you good

01:16:01.200 neighborhoods. I think we just need to be good and normal. And I see this in Hollywood that this ad

01:16:06.460 campaign says, okay, we've all become basically grotesque clown caricatures of what celebrities

01:16:12.200 were. We're going to reset. Here's a nice girl next door looks very pretty. She's going to sell you

01:16:17.220 blue jeans, the most normal kind of clothing you can have. And I bet you people are so starved for

01:16:22.900 normal for something close to reality for a reset. You're going to send us up 10% $200 million in

01:16:28.900 market cap in one day. Yes, yes. And then in a way, it's turned out to be I don't think this was

01:16:34.360 part of American Eagles plan. But it's, it's turned out this way. It was a trap for the left. You know,

01:16:41.640 because you and I both know what happened in November 2024. The listening audience here knows

01:16:46.060 what happened in November 2024. And what the message was by the voters, but the left either didn't

01:16:51.420 listen, doesn't know, doesn't matter. Either way, they're not prepared to take it. They're not

01:16:55.840 de-woke-ifying their party. And, um, they walked right into this trap by reacting, by like recoiling

01:17:03.440 at her, her, her appearance and the messaging of the ad. And that led to the vice president of the,

01:17:13.300 both the president and the vice president of the United States have now commented on this ad.

01:17:19.160 This is an American Eagle dream. Here's what JD Vance told the fellas over at our pals,

01:17:25.160 the ruthless podcast. Yeah. My, my political advice to the Democrats is continue to tell

01:17:31.280 everybody who thinks Sidney Sweeney is attractive is a Nazi that, that, that appears to be their

01:17:36.220 actual strategy. I mean, it's, it actually reveals something pretty interesting about the Dems though,

01:17:40.200 which is that you have like a normal all American beautiful girl during doing like a normal

01:17:45.720 jeans ad, right. They're trying to sell, you know, sell jeans to, uh, to, to kids in America.

01:17:51.340 And they have managed to so unhinge themselves over this thing. And it's like, you guys, did you learn

01:17:58.420 nothing from the November, 2024 election? Like I actually thought that one of the lessons they might

01:18:03.280 take is we're going to be less crazy. The lesson they have apparently taken is we're going to attack

01:18:08.580 people, uh, as Nazis for thinking Sidney Sweeney is beautiful. Great strategy guys. That's how

01:18:14.160 you're going to win the midterm, especially young American men. Their course correction lasted about

01:18:18.220 30 seconds. That's right. Lasted 30 seconds. Somehow has gotten even crazier. But again, it's just so

01:18:23.580 much of the Democrats is oriented around hostility to basic American life. So you have a pretty girl

01:18:29.960 doing a jeans ad. He is such an effective spokesperson for our side. The one comment I

01:18:36.500 wanted to ask you about great message, especially to young American men who I'm sure you covered it

01:18:42.920 on your show and we've covered it here. The Democrats are literally spending tens of millions to figure

01:18:48.500 out how to talk to, how to recruit back to team blue. And this guys is not it. This would be

01:18:57.020 lesson number one and how not to do it. We're like, must I play the montage of the women at the

01:19:05.340 event, the rage against the machine event? Again, you're either on that team or you're on the Sidney

01:19:10.940 Sweeney team. It's a problem. It's a serious problem getting worse for the Democrats.

01:19:15.960 The Democrats might consider speaking to any actual men that might help them formulate this strategy.

01:19:22.840 I remember there was a gal, I forget her name. I think she's since been ousted from the role.

01:19:27.020 Who was trying to help the Democrats win back young men in particular. I thought she,

01:19:33.060 she didn't look like a sorority girl necessarily. She, but even if she had been a sorority girl,

01:19:39.140 why don't you get a guy for that role? And not just any guy, not some like weird androgynous guy

01:19:43.920 that you fill your ranks up with, not some whiny guy. How about you get like a normal guy? He doesn't

01:19:49.400 even have to be the biggest giga Chad that's ever walked the earth. Just like a normal guy who wears

01:19:53.360 normal clothes, who is attracted to Sidney Sweeney, hire one of them. I'm sure you can find one of

01:19:58.680 them somewhere and say, Hey buddy, how should I talk to your friends? But I don't want to give

01:20:03.900 them any advice. So forget about that. Democrats, if you're watching, forget I said that.

01:20:07.260 No, instead, what you have is guys on the Democrat party, like Jonathan Capehart, who he's not into

01:20:15.100 Sidney Sweeney because he's gay. Um, but he's, he's a prototypical Democrat in that he's constantly

01:20:21.640 crying, whether it's via his pen or on his MSNBC hits. And he just resigned from the Washington Post.

01:20:30.060 I'll show you why in a second, but let me just give you a little refresher on what I'm talking

01:20:35.100 about where Jonathan Capehart, um, Oh, I think we have it via a montage and you'll see some of the

01:20:41.760 things that I just mentioned in Sot 33. Officer Fanon, I'm going to try to get through this.

01:20:48.380 Um, he's crying. Thank you for what you did three years ago today. This election seems to be,

01:20:56.840 if it proves out that the millions of people who are watching Fox news, if that ends up being,

01:21:03.700 being the case, then, um, I can't help but wonder if the American people have given up on democracy.

01:21:12.080 The thing that I'm grappling with is that someone was elected who ran a campaign that was openly hostile,

01:21:22.240 openly racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, transphobic, everything. Once again,

01:21:30.520 turning Madison square garden into a staging ground for extremism.

01:21:34.100 How many of you believe that racism and misogyny played a role in vice president Harris's defeat?

01:21:40.660 They all raise their hands.

01:21:44.100 Okay.

01:21:44.620 So that's good. You all pass.

01:21:50.880 That was while electing the new head of the DNC. You, you passed because you say she lost because

01:21:55.220 of racism and misogyny. So that, yeah, that's a more accurate representation of today's Democrat

01:22:00.380 party. Not for nothing, but he, um, as I point out, just quit, left, resigned, forced out, don't know,

01:22:07.080 uh, of the Washington post and managed to have, uh, the folks over at PBS news hour deftly work in a

01:22:15.080 question about that at the end of his recent hit on that channel here. Watch.

01:22:21.200 You should point out after nearly two decades at the Washington post, you recently made the decision

01:22:26.300 to leave. I just wanted to give you a chance to speak directly to our audience to tell them why.

01:22:30.040 Well, the direction of the opinion section changed. Um, Jeff Bezos, the owner of the Washington

01:22:38.780 post, as is his right, decided that he wanted the section to focus on the twin pillars of, uh,

01:22:45.220 personal liberties and free markets. And it became clear as time went along. And especially when he

01:22:51.360 chose a new leader for the section that there was just not going to be any room for a voice like

01:22:58.200 mine, especially when we were told that we would have to be unapologetically patriotic and talking

01:23:03.840 about the positive things happening in the country. How can you talk about the positive things

01:23:08.300 happening in the country when the rest of the house is engulfed in flames and the foundation is,

01:23:13.800 is flooding? I wanted to go someplace where my voice would be heard.

01:23:19.580 Single tear. There's that was the deal breaker, Michael. He had to be unapologetically patriotic.

01:23:24.820 There was nothing, nothing he could find to write about that was good about America. So he had to

01:23:30.500 quit. Yeah. You can't say, Megan, you can't say that was the only problem. One was Bezos said,

01:23:36.200 you have to not hate your country. You have to be a patriot. You have to love your country. And

01:23:41.120 you have to sometimes occasionally, at least once find something positive to say about your own country.

01:23:51.120 And, and he couldn't do it. That was, that was a bridge too far. And by the way, there are going

01:23:55.500 to be people who say, well, journalists shouldn't be patriotic. There are going to be some extreme

01:24:00.300 ideologues who say, I want my journalist to be totally neutral, not to have opinions about anything,

01:24:05.080 to just come at every issue as a blank slate. That's not how human beings work. That's not how

01:24:11.440 journalism has ever operated. We are not just creatures floating throughout our space. To bring us all

01:24:17.500 the way back to Kamala from the top of the show, we did not just fall out of a coconut tree. You

01:24:21.140 know, we actually do exist in a political context. And I forget, I forget the way she phrased it.

01:24:25.860 There were more giggles when she talked about it. But, but journalists are expected at the very least

01:24:31.760 to love their country. It doesn't mean they they're running PR for an administration or something, but

01:24:36.780 to say, hey, can, can you love your country? It's like saying, hey, you should love your parents

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01:24:48.120 journalism can't do that tells you everything you need to know about these legacy outlets.

01:24:54.460 Yeah, so right. It's crazy. They, they didn't say you have to write something nice about Trump

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01:25:04.360 country. That's it. You have to love your country. There's nothing. I could talk to you about why I love

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01:28:52.220 Michael, we've been following on this show, the Russia gate revelations that Tulsi Gabbard

01:28:57.840 has been making from the office of the director of national intelligence. And it's just been

01:29:03.580 one bombshell after another. The bottom line is we now know how Russia gate got started.

01:29:12.360 And we know that it was all a lie started by the Hillary Clinton campaign that the Hillary

01:29:20.140 Clinton campaign realized she was in trouble because of her email scandal, which had broken

01:29:25.180 in 2015 in the wake of Benghazi. We found these emails of hers that were weird and people were like,

01:29:31.000 what server was that on? And so on. And it created a problem for her all the way up to election day,

01:29:35.440 2016. And as she got closer to election day, she decided to concoct two lies about Donald Trump to

01:29:43.460 distract from her email scandal. She got the steel dossier through this fusion GPS company that her

01:29:50.160 campaign paid. And she got this group crowd strike, which was the one responsible for the hack

01:29:59.920 into that. That's that's that's the one that said that the Russians hacked the DNC email. And she created

01:30:09.780 this entire storyline around the Russians doing these terrible things in tandem with Donald Trump in

01:30:17.060 order to, yes, hurt Trump, but also mostly to distract from her own scandal. And we also know that Obama

01:30:24.740 knew. He knew about it. He was told by his intelligence agencies in the late summer and fall

01:30:33.220 of 2016 at the latest. I'll give you one example. In the documents Tulsi released, this is from an Aaron

01:30:39.160 Mate post that came. Oh, actually, sorry, forget it. This is actually from our interview with Aaron

01:30:47.480 Mate, where he pointed out. And this was in last week, so you can go back and look at it. There was

01:30:52.640 a September 12th, 2016, September 12th intelligence community assessment where the FBI and the NSA both

01:31:00.440 said they had low confidence that Russia was the one who hacked and released the DNC emails. Our

01:31:07.720 intelligence did not believe Russia had hacked the DNC. He goes on to say, but that did not stop

01:31:14.660 the Department of Homeland Security or the DNI from putting out a statement in October that they

01:31:19.480 thought Russia was behind the hack. And Jay Johnson, who was the head of DHS, later testified

01:31:24.720 that Obama approved that statement, which was a lie. He approved saying that it was Russia who hacked

01:31:32.460 the DNC. We also learned from a December 7th, 2016 DNI memo declassified by Tulsi that Intel assessments

01:31:40.720 about intrusions into the DNC emails was based on evidence identified by CrowdStrike, which worked

01:31:47.800 directly for the Clinton campaign. Okay. So, and then that info was leaked to a Washington Post

01:31:52.600 reporter called named Ellen Nakashima. In other words, Intel assessments about intrusions into the DNC

01:31:59.220 emails were based on evidence identified by CrowdStrike, which worked for Clinton. So Clinton was

01:32:05.780 the hand orchestrating all these big reveals about, Oh, my emails or the DNC emails were hacked by

01:32:14.960 Russia. Oh, Donald Trump had prostitutes pee in front of him at a hotel room in Russia. Okay. So she

01:32:21.660 did it and she did it to distract from her own email. And Obama knew his Intel community went to him and

01:32:28.440 told him, we just found out from the Dutch who are spying on the Russians, that the Russians have

01:32:36.080 unearthed a Hillary Clinton plan to do this whole thing, to say Trump is a Russian, a Russian agent,

01:32:41.620 and that she's going to do it to distract from her email scandal. Obama knew he knew as far as I can

01:32:48.060 tell, it was either September or August of 2016. He knew here he is in December, 2016, after she's lost

01:32:57.740 the election in an interview, making the rounds online. Um, one of those things that's resurfaced

01:33:02.880 talking about these issues. Listen, did the Russian hack of the democratic national committee

01:33:10.460 and other targets actually affect the results of the election? In your view, elections can always

01:33:15.980 turn out differently. You never know which factors are going to make a difference, but, uh, I have no

01:33:21.860 doubt that it had some impact. Everyone now acting surprised by the CIA assessment that this was done

01:33:34.980 purposely to, uh, improve Trump's chances. And my only point was that shouldn't be treated as a

01:33:42.020 blockbuster because that was the worst kept secret in this town. Everybody understood that it was reported

01:33:50.760 on. It's a pretty clear inference that people would draw and did draw that this was helping the Trump

01:33:58.900 campaign and it was hurting the Hillary campaign. My only point was we shouldn't now suddenly act as if

01:34:04.820 this is a huge revelation. Every intelligence agency in the federal government arrived at a consensus

01:34:13.420 that the Russians had hacked, uh, the DNC. And the information was, that was now being released, uh, was, uh, as a

01:34:26.640 consequence of a decision by Russian intelligence and Russian officials at the highest levels. So, uh,

01:34:35.420 what the CIA is now assessing, which was, it was done purposefully to tilt, uh, the election, uh, in

01:34:46.960 another, in the direction of a particular candidate shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. And in fact,

01:34:52.840 isn't a surprise to anybody. Okay. Those are all lies. Everything he said was a lie. They knew the

01:35:00.900 intelligence community knew that the Russians had not hacked the DNC and he'd been briefed and they knew

01:35:07.480 that there was no goal by the Russians to help Trump at all. That had been at best, a low confidence

01:35:13.840 assessment by somebody within the, uh, intelligence community, which only got elevated to an actual

01:35:21.220 action point in an intelligence assessment. Thanks to president Obama, he demanded it. And now he's out

01:35:29.340 there acting like, Oh, well, everybody's known this. They knew that they hacked the Russians, hacked the DNC

01:35:35.420 and they knew they wanted to help Trump. Everyone knew that they knew that it was reported on. Why was it

01:35:40.600 reported on? Because you had your intelligence people leak to Ellen, not whatever her name is at the Washington

01:35:46.500 post and others at the New York times. You sprinkled false information to these stenographers in the press

01:35:52.720 who then did your bidding. So you could wind up on NPR in December acting like this has been out there.

01:35:58.580 Everybody knows it. Meanwhile, the truth is, as we've seen in these Tulsi documents, he knew

01:36:03.600 everything he said there, Michael was not true. Everyone knew it because he wrote the story. So I

01:36:10.120 guess that would be one true statement is he, everyone knew it because he's the one who concocted

01:36:14.880 the lie that everyone then came to believe. Uh, but, but the, I guess the problem with this scandal

01:36:21.560 is, is that everyone knew it. Everyone who paid any attention, who supported Trump, who didn't buy into the

01:36:29.280 mainstream lies that were cooked up by people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, everyone already

01:36:34.020 kind of knew it. Yeah. Yeah. Hillary cooked up this, this nonsense dossier. Hillary cooked up all this

01:36:40.080 Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense. It did rise to the presidential level. There's no way this kind of messaging could

01:36:44.840 have gotten out without presidential approval. And then he doubled down on it. And Barack Obama's a

01:36:49.040 liar. And yeah, of course, Barack Obama's the guy who said, you get to keep your health insurance if

01:36:53.040 you like it. And then the minute that he passed his healthcare bill, he said, well, what do you think I

01:36:56.600 was going to let you keep your health insurance? There's no way, not a chance. So he is a, an infamous

01:37:01.480 liar. Uh, and the problem for the Trump administration right now is we need to remind people to care about

01:37:09.220 this, even though it happened a long time ago and everyone suspected it for a long time. We now have

01:37:15.400 proof. We have a hard proof on all of these fronts and it's, it's hard. People have the attention span of

01:37:22.180 a fruit fly. I guess the one way you might be able to persuade people to care about this is that

01:37:26.700 constantly we hear that we need our corrupt public officials to be held accountable. We want actual

01:37:34.380 accountability. We want consequences for these people. Don't let them keep getting away with it.

01:37:39.220 Well, the only way that you're going to have consequences for this massive scandal that sought to

01:37:45.060 upend our democracy and, and compromise a presidential election, all the things the left

01:37:50.580 accuses us of that they were actually engaging in. The only way you're going to have consequences is if

01:37:55.620 you hold these people's feet to the fire now and, and don't get distracted and don't get tired and

01:38:02.480 don't be, don't despair and don't just move on. Because probably if I'm a gambling man, I don't think

01:38:08.800 that they're going to face serious consequences for this because I don't know that the American

01:38:12.480 people have the attention span for it, but it's going to happen. I think we're going to see

01:38:17.040 indictments this month. I think we're going to see indictments this month. It's so hard to keep it

01:38:22.640 straight. I, my, I apologize to the audience. It's just so dense. I try every show to say it in as clear

01:38:28.560 terms as I can, but it's so dense that it's hard, but here, let me take, take one more shot. Okay.

01:38:33.720 This is from one of the documents that was released, um, late last week by Tulsi. Uh,

01:38:40.680 and the headline here is that John Brennan, who was head of the CIA briefed president Obama,

01:38:45.700 Joe Biden, the vice president, DNI Clapper and FBI chief Comey on the possibility of the Clinton plan

01:38:52.020 to tie Trump to Putin. It happened on August 3rd, 2016. So the head of the CIA sat down with Barack

01:38:58.760 Obama and others and said, Hillary Clinton is getting ready to say falsely that there's a

01:39:05.300 Russian influence operation here that's involves Donald Trump and his handwritten notes. Brennan's

01:39:12.220 after the meeting said read quote, we're getting additional insight into Russian activities that

01:39:16.860 cite alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on 26 July of a proposed plan from one of her foreign policy

01:39:23.300 advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming Russian interference by the Russian

01:39:28.140 security services. He knew Obama knew it was coming. And then when those leaks started to come

01:39:33.200 in that, Oh, Oh, he, he did bad things with prostitutes in Russia and Putin has compromise on

01:39:39.380 him or, Oh, the Russians hacked the DNC email instead. They didn't stop and say, Oh, this is the Hillary

01:39:45.040 Clinton plan. Who's behind this information. Oh, wait, that stuff by the prostitutes came from the

01:39:49.520 steel dossier who funded that the Clinton campaign. Oh, that stuff that the DNC was allegedly hacked by the

01:39:54.660 Russians that came from a group called crowdstrike. Who's paying them the Clinton campaign. They

01:39:59.820 didn't stop to say any of that. They buried all of that. They ignored that. They use the steel dossier

01:40:05.560 as, as if it were real evidence and the crowd strike information as though it were real evidence

01:40:11.040 to hang this around Trump, like an albatross. And then there's Obama talking about it on NPR after

01:40:16.880 Hillary is lost. Like we all knew that the Russians did this. We've known for months. It was obvious to

01:40:22.300 everyone. The whole thing was so pernicious. It was such a disgusting, dirty, dangerous lie.

01:40:28.660 And there will be accountability, Michael. I'm really starting to believe we're going to see

01:40:32.560 indictments as soon as this month, because the statute of limitation is about to run on some of

01:40:38.260 the lies that were told during Durham's investigation, which was 2020 five-year federal

01:40:42.740 perjury statute. And some of the lies were told in August of 2020. So it's on the clock is ticking.

01:40:48.680 And I would love to see nothing more. The reason why it's so important for the people who say,

01:40:53.540 well, don't relitigate the politics of 10 years ago. Yeah, whatever. But Trump won. All's well

01:40:57.900 that ends well. The reason that there has to be consequences is because if you don't punish the

01:41:04.860 people for doing these extremely corrupt things, they're just going to keep doing it. And then don't

01:41:10.720 complain to me when, when next cycle or the cycle after that, you, you get another version of this,

01:41:17.100 you know, in politics, you need sticks and carrots. And we, there are a lot of carrots

01:41:21.580 for good, positive behavior, but sometimes you need to bring the stick. And I hope you're right,

01:41:25.780 Megan. I hope, I hope we see the stick come down and we see some real indictments.

01:41:30.560 I agree with you on the deterrence factor, but it's also the justice of it. They stole his first

01:41:37.720 term as president. These absolute liars who run around trying to act like they're the protectors of

01:41:44.640 democracy, completely ruined it, tried to undermine it at every turn. And at the highest levels with

01:41:52.420 lies, without now lies that were really serious and change foreign policy and change the course of

01:41:59.340 history in this country and Trump's presidency. And there must be accountability. There has to be

01:42:04.320 actual criminal accountability for those who lied. And I can't wait to see this administration do it.

01:42:10.680 Michael Knowles, a pleasure, my friend. Thank you for being here.

01:42:14.660 Megan, always great to be with you. See you next time.

01:42:17.260 Oh, I love when you're on. Okay. We're back tomorrow with an MK true crime preview

01:42:21.900 with eight, count them, eight of our Kelly's court favorites. One of the cases we're going to take on,

01:42:28.760 the president of France and his wife are suing Candace Owens. Do they have a case? You'll see a fair

01:42:36.040 imbalanced legal analysis right here. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda,

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Trump Praises Sydney Sweeney as Natural Beauty Defeats Woke, and Incoherent Kamala is Back, with Michael Knowles

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