The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump-RFK Alliance Terrifies Elites, and Brilliant ＂Make America Healthy Again＂ Message, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 870

00:00:00.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.920 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday. Gosh,

00:00:16.360 is it Monday? Where did the other days go? The summer's ending. Oh, it's that time of

00:00:21.320 year where you feel kind of like, oh, what happened to the summer? But you know what?

00:00:24.820 The fall is great. The election season is going to be exciting, amazing, tense, an incredible news

00:00:31.980 event as it always is. And, you know, putting on those sweatshirts and getting the fall nights with

00:00:37.820 the fireplaces, that's always something to look forward to. So whenever God closes a door, he

00:00:42.700 opens a window. Back to the election. This race has been completely upended in the last 48 to 72 hours

00:00:51.160 as independent presidential candidate, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. RFKJ. Don't you feel like we go way

00:00:57.500 back with him, this audience? And he were together back in, what was it, March of 2021, Steve Krakauer,

00:01:05.240 where we put him on? Nobody would have him on. He was totally banned. It was March of 2021.

00:01:11.700 He was banned. He was on the persona non grata list that the White House was putting out,

00:01:16.480 the disinformation dozen. And we put him on for four hours. And can you believe he did come back

00:01:23.640 or was it 22? OK, he did come back to life. He was banned on Instagram, on all social media.

00:01:30.140 And he's been very kind in crediting this show with helping that door reopen to him. It was absurd.

00:01:36.820 They were banning this man from public conversation. You can love him. You can hate him. That's your

00:01:40.920 business. But banning a serious person like this with a lifetime of environmental legal activism

00:01:48.500 behind him, not to mention his Kennedy name, because his ideas are too controversial, is just

00:01:53.360 crazy. So it's thrilling to see him back in the national conversation. And boy, is he ever. It's

00:01:59.740 not thrilling if you're a Democrat. The Kamala Harris supporters are very angry that he's back in the

00:02:05.440 national conversation. He dropped out of the race, well, suspended his campaign. That's the way they all

00:02:09.740 say it these days. Though his seems to be a little bit more of a real suspension than an end.

00:02:14.440 And he threw his support behind former President Donald Trump on Friday night in a barn burner of

00:02:21.440 a speech. My gosh, one hour he railed and ripped. And if you've been paying attention to the news cycle

00:02:28.040 and the censorship and just the disgusting elite cabal that runs the country and doesn't give two 1.00

00:02:37.020 craps about most of us, it was wonderful to listen to him. And I don't know whether, you know, Tucker was

00:02:44.200 on the show last Thursday. He talked about his interview with Callie and Casey Means, which was

00:02:49.800 amazing. You should go listen to this in full. And RFKJ referenced it on just because RFKJ is running now

00:02:57.240 on not MAGA, but is it Maha, M-A-H-A, make America healthy again. And it's playing right into some of

00:03:09.340 the messages from that podcast, from Callie and Casey Means, two brilliant brothers and sisters who

00:03:14.160 have been trying to sound the alarm on how the medical industrial complex is sort of merged with

00:03:19.600 big ag to get us sick and then charge us to make us well. But they never make us well enough to actually

00:03:26.940 get out of the cycle. So anyway, all of this fired up RFKJ, who's been railing about this for quite some

00:03:32.800 time and has injected a whole new not just endorsement for Trump, but line of argument for Republicans in

00:03:42.000 this whole race. Joe Biden took the cancer moonshot. It didn't work. People are still getting cancer, even

00:03:47.600 though they told us he cured it. And this is a new thing altogether. People care about public health.

00:03:54.300 You remember Peter Atiyah, when he came on this show, he wrote the book Outlived. It was on the New

00:04:00.340 York Times bestseller list, I think for 14 months. This is a strain in the American culture right now

00:04:07.260 that is growing with rapid and rabid fervor. Americans are catching on to what's being done to them,

00:04:17.020 with processed foods and seed oils and a medical complex that doesn't care at all about wellness.

00:04:24.820 They just care about their bottom line. Sure, they'll cut off your child's breasts at age 15 1.00

00:04:30.180 because it pays well. They will perform open heart surgery on you without talking to you about

00:04:35.020 nutrition because it pays really well. So anyway, all of this is very fascinating what happened in the

00:04:40.340 past 72 hours. And it really could be a genuine game changer in the entire election. It's a massive

00:04:46.540 moment. And how do you know for sure that it's a massive moment? Well, the left and the corporate

00:04:50.780 media are in full freak out mode right now. They they didn't want RFKJ running and they definitely

00:04:57.600 tried to take him out because they realized he could hurt Kamala. But now you would think he was at

00:05:03.020 the top of the ticket. The amount of attacks that are coming out about him now,

00:05:06.340 now that he dropped out. But his endorsement clearly matters to them or they wouldn't be

00:05:11.520 treating it the way they are. Joining me now to discuss that much more Victor Davis Hanson. VDH is

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00:06:33.160 Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:06:34.400 So what a seismic event at a time when we weren't exactly expecting seismic news. It kind of leaked a

00:06:41.480 couple days earlier that he might be dropping out endorsing Trump. And then sure enough, on Friday,

00:06:45.420 he did it. And then they appeared together, um, at, uh, Trump rally. And I want to start with that

00:06:52.920 moment when he walked out with Trump, Debbie Murphy, who's been my editorial producer since 2007. We've

00:07:00.760 been together a long time. She's, she's, I, I liken her to Holly Hunter from broadcast news. She just

00:07:06.080 doesn't live, eat, sleep, or breathe unless there's news related to it. She saw this walkout with RFKJ and

00:07:12.980 she said, this was so amazing. It was a great TV moments, perfectly produced. She then contrasted

00:07:18.640 it to the sad Ron DeSantis audio announcement of his campaign where he has the beautiful family and

00:07:24.420 he missed the chance to show off anyway. But look at this moment between Trump and RFKJ.

00:07:42.980 fire all over the stage.

00:08:12.980 Wow. Trump leader said he had never seen applause like that for someone other than himself. And it

00:08:25.840 was produced not surprisingly by our friends at turning point. Uh, that's the Charlie Kirk group,

00:08:32.000 which does know how to do pageantry and pageantry is helpful in presidential politics. Victor,

00:08:38.420 what do you think of it? It's pretty amazing. I know the conventional wisdom says that in a close

00:08:44.480 election, that 30, 40,000 votes in 2020 made a difference. He can make a difference. That's all

00:08:50.340 true. But I think it's more insidious for the Democrats for a variety of other reasons. I think

00:08:57.140 when he comes out like this, he's a very articulate spokesman and he frames a question in a way that Trump

00:09:03.380 doesn't, maybe even the J.D. Vance doesn't, when he recites the litany of what the DNC is doing,

00:09:10.440 sabotage, trying to get him off the ballot with suits, but putting spies into his campaign,

00:09:16.540 that gets people very angry. And the more that he repeats that and expands on it, the more it

00:09:23.440 feeds into the Kamala Harris narrative that she won't meet with the press and that the press and

00:09:28.860 the media and the DNC refused. The other thing is, it's going to encourage other people. Jill

00:09:34.200 Stein came out, not that these people have a lot of constituents, but she said they were doing the

00:09:40.560 same thing to her. And even Cornel West, who despises Trump, he has been criticizing as much the DNC. So

00:09:49.040 it's kind of a, he broke the ice and all of a sudden people are coming out and citing all the things

00:09:55.200 the DNC is doing. And we remember the Beyonce con, all of that stuff kind of force multiplies into a

00:10:03.580 narrative that these people will do anything. And that, that helps. The other thing is, it makes it

00:10:09.400 for some independents that are left-wing and don't like what Harris is doing or Biden, the idea of

00:10:15.600 voting for Trump, if you talk to him, it's just beyond the pale. But when he comes out and says that

00:10:20.960 he will do it, that will add some that aren't, I don't think are picked up in the polls. The other

00:10:26.740 thing is that everybody says, well, you know, Trump can't ever put him in an administration because

00:10:31.460 he's too volatile or way out there. But there are certain areas in which they are in absolute

00:10:37.380 agreement with not only Trump, he's in absolute agreement with the Megan movement. So I, the perfect 0.99

00:10:44.120 job for him, Megan would be the head of the national broadcasting company, PBS and NPR. 0.58

00:10:49.300 If they put him in that, that would be wonderful because he's a free speech advocate and he,

00:10:55.120 he knows what they have done to him and he knows how to correct it. And he would have the full support

00:11:00.300 of all the mega people. So there's a lot of lines to this argument that I think it's, they're going

00:11:05.800 to increase. Even Phillips, the congressman that ran, he, he said the other day that he might have

00:11:12.180 an announcement that he would be willing to serve in either administration.

00:11:15.800 That would be amazing. And RFKJ is saying, you just wait until you see the team that Trump is

00:11:22.060 putting together right now. Had many people speculating who will be on it. Could it be

00:11:25.440 Tulsi Gabbard? I mean, she's definitely, I think going to vote for Trump. So it'd be all these sort

00:11:30.680 of favorites who are almost politically homeless right now, but open-minded to Trump's messaging.

00:11:36.060 Of course, because as you know, he is not some far right guy. Trump's actually more moderate in a lot

00:11:41.440 of his politics than, you know, let's say Ted Cruz is. And this would be very attractive to said

00:11:48.920 people. Um, if they could just check their Trump derangement syndrome, the media would see that and

00:11:55.900 would see it coming. Um, I want to play a little bit more and talk a little bit more about this

00:12:00.540 because it's, I do think this has the potential to be a true game changer in this. When RFKJ stood up

00:12:06.040 on Friday and announced, you know, why he was leaving. Um, one of the things he did was eviscerate

00:12:14.540 the media, the Democrats and the media, which as you point out now, all of the Democrats trying to

00:12:20.180 run from Dean Phillips. I mean, he's already been complaining, but to Jill Stein and Cornell West,

00:12:24.280 all of them are putting the lie to the Democrats talking point about them being the, the party of

00:12:31.360 democracy. They are the ones who will protect and hold inviolate your vote. Uh, here's a little bit

00:12:38.520 of that on, uh, Friday. In the name of saving democracy, the democratic party set itself to

00:12:47.260 dismantling it, lacking confidence in its candidate. The DNC wage continual legal warfare against both

00:12:55.720 president Trump and myself. It deployed DNC aligned judges to throw me and other candidates off the ballot

00:13:03.360 and to throw president Trump in jail. They installed a candidate who was so unpopular with voters that she 0.98

00:13:11.260 dropped out in 2020 without winning a single delegate. My uncle and my father both relish debate. They would be

00:13:20.660 astonished to learn of a democratic party presidential nominee who like vice president Harris has not

00:13:27.860 appeared in a single interview or an unscripted encounter with voters. This is profoundly undemocratic.

00:13:35.500 Instead of showing us her substance and character, the DNC and its media organs engineered a surge of

00:13:44.300 popularity for vice president Harris based upon nothing. Based upon nothing. He's got it, Victor.

00:13:54.320 Yeah. I mean, he, he, right there, he outlined in just a few minutes or seconds, even the entire

00:14:01.580 indictment of the democratic party in a way that other people haven't. And so he, he's kind of serving the

00:14:06.980 role of JD Vance. Everybody attacked JD Vance. And the more you see him go on the media and battle with

00:14:13.320 him, or even the Tom Cotton, he's in that category. And they really, they don't just repeat talking

00:14:19.560 points. They, they try to analyze. And when they do that, it really shows the poverty of the entire

00:14:25.480 democratic party. You know, we haven't even emphasized one of the cruelest things they did

00:14:29.840 with, I was watching MSNBC and CNN and Fox when they were interviewing a lot of people, the DNC, and

00:14:36.740 they were trying to trace down these traffic, these traffic rumors and beyonds. And all of these people

00:14:42.560 were really sincere. They really believed it. And they said, we're going to stay here and she's

00:14:47.420 going to be the finale after Harris. And either they deliberately planted that or they, somebody

00:14:54.040 planted it and they found it useful, but they, that was just representative or illustrative of that

00:14:59.300 entire DNC attitude that from the trivial to the existential, they'll do anything to win. And that's

00:15:05.840 all predicated on the idea that Donald Trump supposedly represents this existential threat. And then for,

00:15:11.560 therefore, that end of getting rid of him justifies any means necessary. And I think that's what

00:15:18.220 Kennedy and, and bands are trying to explain to the American people. I think they're going to be

00:15:23.240 pretty effective, especially it feeds into this, as I said earlier, this illusion that she's, that

00:15:29.580 she's ever going to go out and talk to people. She's not because they know that in one minute

00:15:33.760 she could destroy the entire campaign. It reminds me of a famous anecdote, Megan, about World War One

00:15:41.980 and the Battle of Jutland. They said that Admiral Jellicoe was the only man in the British Navy who

00:15:48.260 could lose the war in a minute. And if he got the fleet, home fleet destroyed, and that's kind of what

00:15:53.920 she is. She's got the ability to go out there and do a word salad that would confirm every, every 1.00

00:15:59.800 stereotype of her. And they know that. And so they're, they're going to keep her. And the longer

00:16:04.860 they keep her hidden, the more anxious, anxious she's going to be. And the more, you know, worried,

00:16:10.980 and it's, it's just going to be a doom loop. So they should get it out over with early in the

00:16:14.900 campaign and get her out there, but they're not going to do that.

00:16:17.540 So it's actually really interesting now, Victor, because Trump is blanketing the field with

00:16:22.920 alternative media. You know, he sat down with Theo Vaughn last week. We're going to play some of

00:16:27.820 that. It's interesting, a very different kind of exchange for Trump. And it was good. And then this

00:16:32.940 week he sat down with Sean Ryan, who we love. He was on our Memorial Day podcast, a former Navy SEAL,

00:16:38.520 very interesting, thoughtful, great, great guy. And J.D. Vance is all over the mainstream media

00:16:44.580 doing battle with NBC and CBS and CNN and you name it. So it's a, it's actually a very clever

00:16:50.540 strategy. And what seems to be happening lately is her absence is no longer really helping her.

00:16:59.420 Like, yes, I realize she's not articulate, but they, they've got the whole field available to them.

00:17:06.620 They're dominating the media again. Now that the DNC is over, you know, the headline everywhere on

00:17:12.060 Friday was RFKJ and it's been that way all over the entire weekend. And there's, I think they're

00:17:17.120 soon going to realize silence may not be the best option for them. They're going to go only with

00:17:21.960 friendly interviewers, but they can't have two months with Trump and J.D. Vance owning every

00:17:27.700 single headline while she just stays behind closed doors or does her teleprompter speeches. 0.78

00:17:34.020 Yeah. And that same logic applies to her policy or the lack of it, because if you go to Trump's

00:17:40.460 various websites, you can find out what he's for. If you go to hers, you can't. And the reason you

00:17:45.980 can't is that in that DNC speech, she renounced everything that she's been, not just an advocate,

00:17:52.940 but an emphatic advocate. Of course, I'm a radical. I'm not. Yes, I'm woke. I want everybody to be

00:17:57.900 woke. She always doubled down because she was in front of a receptive left-wing audience. So now she's 0.95

00:18:03.200 in another doom loop because if she lays out this kind of pseudo-MAGA agenda that she outlined at 0.55

00:18:10.220 the convention, she's going to inflame the entire base who are very radical, just like she is on the 0.78

00:18:15.860 New Green Deal, on crime, critical race theory, all that stuff. So she's just waiting and waiting 0.61

00:18:22.660 and waiting and just sort of vaguely talking about what she could, might want to do, but it's not really

00:18:29.400 contradicting, but it sort of is. And that's not going to work. She's outsourced all the explanations

00:18:35.700 to her aides that sort of correct, well, she's not really interested in buying back guns anymore. 0.99

00:18:44.080 She's not really interested in single-payer health care. She's not really interested in banning

00:18:48.920 fracking. But they don't really say, no, our policy is to encourage fracking and allow people

00:18:55.860 to enjoy their Second Amendment rights. She won't say that. And I think that is going to hurt her

00:18:59.780 just as much the more that she hedges and flips and triangulates because it just feeds into that 0.91

00:19:06.580 narrative. She doesn't know who she is. And she knows that if she outlines what she stood for her

00:19:14.240 whole life, people don't want it. They don't want that agenda. They've seen what it's done.

00:19:18.360 This idea that Donald Trump is the incumbent the last four years, that's getting very tired. People are

00:19:23.520 not going to buy that. They keep asking. That narrative is going to get stronger and stronger.

00:19:28.000 You people are, we're in power. Why didn't you do what you're talking about now? And you have six

00:19:33.880 months less on your term and you can do it in six months. Just go at it right now. And they don't

00:19:39.440 have an answer. Especially if you're going to use the FTC to institute some sort of price regulation,

00:19:44.260 go ahead, do that. That's a federal agency. Let's see you do it. Yeah, but they have no real plan and no

00:19:50.320 desire to do it. Um, on the, on the subject of Beyonce, I said this last week that I did believe

00:19:56.860 that Beyonce was a big head fake to boost her ratings and it worked because the numbers are in

00:20:03.000 and it looks like 2.89 million watched Harris's acceptance speech, 25 million watched Trump's.

00:20:09.800 I actually don't have the details on these. I'd be interested to see how many watched the first half

00:20:14.020 an hour of Trump's because he went on for 90 minutes and she went on for 40 minutes, which would be

00:20:19.960 helpful to your rating. So it'd be kind of interesting to see 40, 40 to 40. How did that

00:20:24.760 go? I'm sure Trump's numbers dwindled as he kept going and as it got late. But the point is her

00:20:30.020 little ruse worked because I do think that there was a fair amount of people out there thinking

00:20:34.340 Beyonce was about to come on or possibly Taylor Swift. This was one of the other things that was

00:20:39.760 out there. And I'll get to that because I actually do think the media's role in complying with that

00:20:45.020 and pushing it is important. But I want to stay with RFKJ for right now and we'll move on to media

00:20:51.500 in a second. I mentioned at the top, I think you say, yes, he could be very important in a number

00:20:59.680 of roles for the administration. I mean, Don Jr. was saying possibly, you know, excoriating and

00:21:05.580 investigating the CIA and deep intel. I mean, he actually would be fascinating in that role

00:21:10.500 in public health. That's where he's been most active for, you know, the most, the bulk of his

00:21:17.000 campaign. Censorship, as you point out, huge. He would definitely get to the bottom of that. And

00:21:22.060 Trump seems to be considering him for some sort of a panel, which is good because it wouldn't have to

00:21:26.260 be Senate confirmed. Some sort of panel or commission that is, among other things, interested

00:21:33.460 in public health and what's being done to us. Here's RFKJ on that topic on make America healthy

00:21:41.260 again. So bye. Millions and millions of Americans who want clean air, clean water and a healthy nation

00:21:48.260 have concerns about toxins in our environment and pesticides in our food. That's why today I'm

00:21:55.960 repeating my pledge to establish a panel of top experts working with Bobby to investigate what is

00:22:01.960 causing the decades-long increase in chronic health problems and childhood diseases.

00:22:10.560 Don't you want to know that the food that you're feeding them is not filled with chemicals that

00:22:17.060 are going to give them cancer and chronic disease?

00:22:24.160 And don't you want a president that's going to make America healthy again? 0.99

00:22:31.960 Victor, this is so uplifting to me because I have to say, as somebody who's covered this for a while

00:22:40.960 on this show, no one's talking about this. RFKJ was one of the only ones to even bring it up.

00:22:48.060 Trump never brought it up. Kamala never brought it up. This is not something they talk about over on

00:22:52.260 the Dem side. These are all their friends who run these industries that are poisoning us and then

00:22:56.520 getting rich off of the poisoning. So it was wonderful to hear this not only being said at a presidential

00:23:02.620 rally, but elevated as like a critical piece of the Trump messaging at this point. And it's dangerous.

00:23:10.720 Well, you know, I'm speaking from my farm, Megan, and it's been in my family since 1870.

00:23:16.180 And the early generations that lived here lived into their 80s. But with the advent of organophosphate,

00:23:26.400 organochloride pesticides, and I'm talking about someone who put them on for 30 years myself,

00:23:31.400 because I was told they were absolutely safe. My sister-in-law died of leukemia at 51,

00:23:38.580 living on the farm here. My daughter died at 26 of leukemia, working side by side since she was four

00:23:45.280 years old with me. My mother died of 65 of a brain tumor. Her sister who grew up here died at 49 of

00:23:54.120 breast cancer. And I've had an immune problem for about 15 years. Every time I get COVID, I get long

00:24:00.700 COVID. And so I don't know what the cause is. I'm not a conspiracy advocate. And I know that we've

00:24:09.000 really cut back, the industry has cut back on some of the things like paraquat that are deadly,

00:24:14.760 or, you know, parathion, which can kill you. And all of these, the point I'm making is when people

00:24:22.660 use those chemicals, it wasn't like I'm breaking the law or this is too risky. It was this chemical

00:24:29.040 is so safe, you could probably drink it. That's the kind of message we got. And then you use it,

00:24:35.480 and then you find out that DBC is in your well, and it causes male sterility. So then you don't drink

00:24:42.080 your water. And that's just the story of Agva business. And the problem is, if you live on your

00:24:48.800 farm, and you're a family farmer, and you're say 150 acres, 20 acres, then you live there. So you are

00:24:56.600 very careful about the types of chemicals you use. If you own 20,000 acres or 10,000 acres, and you're

00:25:03.840 not living there, then it becomes more of an abstract experiment, if you see what I mean.

00:25:09.080 And so when he says that, and everybody says, well, he's a kook, and all these chemicals 0.99

00:25:13.700 are safe, they're getting safer all the time, but they're only getting safer because people like him

00:25:19.380 are bringing it to people's attention. And, you know, when I look at my family that was working

00:25:25.940 all during the 80s and 90s together, and we had a collection of 10 children among us,

00:25:32.220 and we were bathed in chemicals. And we had organic acreage as well. But some of it was just

00:25:42.140 traditional ag. The ag guy came out and he said, you've got to use this, Victor, you've got to use

00:25:47.120 this. You've got to get a thousand boxes an acre. The only way you can do it and break even is do

00:25:51.920 this. We've tested it. It's absolutely safe. And then you put it on and you get sick.

00:25:56.640 And the family farmer doesn't hire employees who take the risk. He does it himself.

00:26:05.600 So then you're much more sensitive to a message by RFK. So I really appreciate what he's doing.

00:26:13.780 And I look back at my family and I think, wow, my grandfather in the age before this lived to be 86.

00:26:21.520 My grandmother lived to be 93. Her mother lived to be 93, my great-grandmother. And no one has gotten

00:26:29.000 past really 70 years old. And most of the people died in their 40s or 50s. And that's kind of scary.

00:26:38.580 Victor, that's terrible. I'm sorry. I didn't know any of that. It's certainly not about your daughter.

00:26:42.520 I'm so sorry to hear it.

00:26:44.480 Yeah. We had tomatoes and we covered with tomatoes and we went out in the plums and peaches. She worked 0.99

00:26:54.640 since five, six, seven, eight, nine years of old. And it was very sudden. She got a very lethal form

00:27:02.280 of leukemia that came within two weeks and killed her. And my mother was an appellate court judge in 0.99

00:27:10.260 that prime of her life and she got a brain tumor. And my sister-in-law was only 51 and she got

00:27:16.900 leukemia. And of course, lymphomas and leukemias. And those are the types of blood cancers that people

00:27:24.180 associate with this toxicity. And there are certain chemicals that every farmer who farms knows

00:27:32.000 that they'll kill you if you get, if you get, because you see, Megan, the farmer is putting

00:27:38.680 them at a hundred times more than the spray, or maybe even a thousand times. If you have 500 gallons

00:27:44.580 of water in your spray tank, you put a gallon in there. Well, then it's diluted 500 times. And RFK is

00:27:52.120 talking about that diluted material that vaporizes onto the crop. And then it doesn't break down in time

00:27:59.320 for people when they consume it. But if you're the farmer, you're putting 500 times that amount

00:28:05.080 in the pure form into the tank. So that means your hands, your face, it splashes. It's very dangerous

00:28:11.660 to do. And of course, now it's much safer and we have more knowledge, but we're still living with

00:28:18.240 the effects of that. Well, I mean, it's not, of course, the problem's not solved in any way for

00:28:25.160 the American consumer, nevermind for farmers like you who actually have to deal with it at,

00:28:29.560 at the source. And this is one of the things like Casey and Kelly, Kelly means has been out there for

00:28:35.800 a while sounding the alarm on this very smart guy. And his sister, Casey is a Stanford educated,

00:28:41.660 uh, surgeon. She went to Stanford medical school, top of her class was actually working as a surgeon

00:28:47.160 for many years. And then realized this system is corrupt. What we're doing is we're in the business

00:28:51.640 of keeping patients sick and then charging them per body part to take them out, to fix them up,

00:28:56.920 and then just keep them on the revolving wheel of sickness. Um, and they were making the point to

00:29:02.200 Tucker that one of the best things that the American health system wants to see is a sick child,

00:29:07.340 because then you get them on some sort of a medication. They're sick for life. You've got them

00:29:11.380 paying into the system and she's not some kook. She's not saying, Oh, it's a government, 0.83

00:29:14.700 like they really want sick children. They just look at them as financial cogs in their wheel.

00:29:19.680 And they don't behave in a way that would reflect a desire to make that child. Well,

00:29:25.840 nevermind an adult. Um, but that, that the children are the most lucrative ones because

00:29:30.000 that that's a lifetime of being hooked on medication. And they were talking about,

00:29:33.740 among other things, the merger of Monsanto and bear, right? So you've got one of the biggest,

00:29:39.020 you know, chemical companies in the United States with one of these, you know,

00:29:43.820 medicine companies that's supposed to get us well. So it's like this never ending loop of

00:29:48.320 illness. We'll fix it. Illness, you know, we'll create the illness and then we'll,

00:29:51.760 we'll quote, fix the illness, which never gets fixed. This is what they're trying to talk about

00:29:56.180 this. And RFKJ is also talking about, and so are the means about, um, the ultra processed foods that

00:30:02.300 were shoving down our children's throats and our own throats and how good luck avoiding it.

00:30:07.120 If you're a regular American shopping at any American grocery store, no one's calling attention

00:30:12.180 to this, no one, but there's a reason Peter Atiyah did so well in his book. There's a reason guys

00:30:17.180 like Mark Sisson, who's been calling attention to this. He's been on the show too. I've been jumping

00:30:21.400 up and down about this stuff because Americans know that everybody's got a story about young people,

00:30:26.960 their friends, their family getting cancer at an alarmingly young age and dying quickly from it.

00:30:33.440 No one's taking it seriously because all the financial incentives are for the system to perpetuate.

00:30:37.920 So it's wonderful to see a ball buster like RFKJ, who clearly does not care what anybody thinks of 0.89

00:30:45.840 him inside this system, come out and say, I am defeated in this contest, but I am not defeated

00:30:53.220 in my fight against all this nonsense. And to see somebody as powerful as Trump, elevate him and say,

00:31:00.920 I'm into it and I'm platforming you and I'm going to continue. Like, I really think

00:31:06.600 that even like the California, Tucker and I were talking about this, you know, like Birkenstock crowd

00:31:13.120 is going to be giving Trump a second look if this is his plan.

00:31:20.400 And that message about the healthcare and ag business industry, it's analogous to what he's

00:31:27.400 saying about the big media too, that they're corrupt, that they tell us lies, that they go on

00:31:33.080 there with a straight face and feed us this propaganda night after night after night. And

00:31:38.280 people know that it's wrong. They're increasingly know that it's wrong, that it's inaccurate. They

00:31:42.620 never apologize. They never backtrack, you know, and it's when I saw Leon Panetta on the stage at the

00:31:50.960 DNC. And I thought to myself, you were, you use your prestige over a lifetime and you were director

00:31:59.520 of CIA and you put your name or you were one of the primary signet, signees of that 51 intelligence

00:32:08.080 authorities that said that that laptop of Hunter's was Russian disinformation. And you knew that that

00:32:14.540 was cooked up by Anthony Blinken. And you knew it was right before the debate. So it would fuel Joe

00:32:20.040 Biden's lies. And you knew it would affect the election. And you knew the FBI had that laptop in

00:32:26.260 its possession and knew that it was authentic. And you knew that what you were doing was a lie.

00:32:31.520 And you knew on national TV, you would never apologize when you were asked to. And yet we're

00:32:36.800 supposed to believe that he's a grandee with a sterling reputation because the media, and that's

00:32:41.780 just typical of John Brennan and James Clapper and Andrew McCabe. So I think a lot of people are just

00:32:48.160 saying Michael Hayden. He was comparing Trump to Auschwitz with cages on the border. And when you,

00:32:56.420 when you, yeah, he's compared Trump to Hitler. He, he has. And then I could go in, I won't get into

00:33:02.920 the names of four-star retired generals, but I think people and look at Fauci, people look at those

00:33:08.580 people and they say they either lie under oath or they do things that if we did, we would be put in

00:33:13.260 jail. And there, and I think RFK is, is a voice that is not afraid to articulate. And he articulates

00:33:20.800 so well and he's bulletproof. I don't want to use that metaphor given his family, but my gosh,

00:33:26.320 he's pretty courageous. He doesn't really care what people say about him. Trump doesn't either.

00:33:31.180 Trump's sensitive, but he doesn't really care. And J.D. Vance has taken the heat. And the more that

00:33:36.300 they persevere, the more persuasive they become. The very strange things about Trump is the last four or

00:33:42.620 five days, Megan, the longer he doesn't retaliate or go to the ad hominem. And the more they do

00:33:49.800 against him, it turns out that when he's magnanimous people, he gets, he rises in the

00:33:56.580 popularity and they look smaller. And when he talks about the issues, he's really good at it. He's

00:34:01.740 better than he is about the, the insults. So I think this is going to help too, that when he outsources

00:34:07.500 this, if he can come into the, what he's really good at is this is what she is. This is what I am.

00:34:13.680 This is what I did. And then it really, and then they get angrier and angrier and call him

00:34:19.440 all sorts of names. He's a coward. He's a criminal. He's a felon. And they look smaller and smaller.

00:34:26.680 They don't do that very well. I think he's got sort of a, I don't know, he's got a formula now. And I

00:34:33.680 think these appointments, like, I don't know if they're appointments, but the more that he

00:34:37.740 embraces Tulsi Galbert or RFK, these are eccentrics, they think, and they're highly individualistic,

00:34:47.120 and they're very talented. And the more he can get them in his campaign and talk about the issues

00:34:52.800 and unity, unity, getting Brian Kemp on the stage with him was a brilliant move. If he gets Haley and

00:34:59.420 DeSantis on the stage, brilliant. And he becomes the unity candidate, and they are more and more

00:35:05.700 angry and polarizing when they get, because the only way she's going to come out and speak

00:35:09.700 and give an unscripted interview is if she starts to fall behind in the polls by two or three or four

00:35:15.240 points, then she'll beg to come out, even though that won't be the good thing. 0.93

00:35:18.540 The RFK hashtag is Unite America. And that's what they're trying to jumpstart here, that it is,

00:35:24.340 it's on, that reasonable people of all stripes and political persuasions are coming together

00:35:30.140 to stop the madness. And meanwhile, you have over on Team Kamala, as you pointed out earlier,

00:35:36.400 just like these broad policy, you know, opportunity economy pronouncements, which allows people to

00:35:43.100 just fill in the blanks. But it's worse than that, because there was, I had my team just pull this.

00:35:47.280 Um, it's worse than that, because here is a DNC delegate, uh, Kaven Shroff on ABC last week,

00:35:53.800 talking about how she really hasn't gotten specific. And in this time of record inflation

00:35:59.800 and now revising the job creation number down by nearly a million jobs, we'd really like to hear

00:36:06.320 some specifics from the person who's number two in the current administration. Nevermind the Democratic

00:36:10.860 nominee for a sec for another administration. Listen to what he says. Vice President Harris has been

00:36:16.640 incredibly brave to roll out an ambitious economic agenda because we all know how this works. The

00:36:22.840 more details you share, the more your policies are going to get picked apart. That was brave to do the

00:36:27.240 thing on price gouging. Listen to this, but she's saying, I trust the American people. I trust the

00:36:34.280 journalists to explain these policies and our values to folks. And I think when that happens, it will be

00:36:40.760 successful for Democrats. You see, it's the American people and the journalists who are going to fill in the

00:36:46.280 blanks, Victor, on opportunity economy and turn it into, it is whatever you wish it to be, Democrat

00:36:54.740 voters. Well, it's exactly what Biden did in 2020. He was in seclusion and then he counted on this

00:37:03.080 fusion media to fill in the blanks. He ran, remember, he ran as a uniter. He said, let's stop the madness,

00:37:09.880 the chaos. I'm good old Joel from Scranton. And to a lesser extent, well, the same extent Barack Obama

00:37:18.640 did. He had hope and change. He has joy and vibes, but it was predicated on the same thing. The only thing I

00:37:25.120 think she's going to be different is that, if you remember, Barack Obama at least had in his arsenal the

00:37:30.540 unpopular Iraq war and the 2008 meltdown. And when Joe Biden ran, he was playing, when he ran,

00:37:39.340 it was the COVID lockdown and all of this turmoil in the economy because of COVID. But she doesn't

00:37:46.680 have that. She's not running after an oppositional administration. She was not only, she's not only 1.00

00:37:52.720 running after an administration of her own party. She was instrumental in it. She said to the American

00:37:58.560 people that she was the last person in the room when Joe Biden made that decision on Afghanistan and

00:38:03.960 by extension on other decisions. So the idea that she's got a program, it's another doom loop,

00:38:11.860 because if she outlines her program and it's different from what she was supporting the last

00:38:18.100 three and a half years, and it better be because all of those initiatives pull less than 40 or 50,

00:38:23.800 45%, then what does she do? She's trying to outsource the idea that she differs from Joe Biden. 1.00

00:38:32.240 And that means she differs from herself until, I guess, somewhere in late July, when July 21st,

00:38:39.420 when Biden stepped down. And then she's counting on the media. And I saw that really good exchange with

00:38:44.940 Tom Cotton and John Carl, when John Carl basically said, but she's changed. And he said,

00:38:51.040 and she hasn't changed. She has not refuted specifically one of her left-wing issues.

00:38:57.340 She has the aides do it. And he says, yeah, but everybody knows she's moving to the center. And

00:39:01.880 he said, how do you know that? Hold on, Victor, we have a bit of that. Let me play it. And then

00:39:05.980 you take it on the back. It was really brilliant, Tom Cotton.

00:39:09.720 What do you mean taking away health insurance? What are you talking about?

00:39:12.520 She said when she ran for president that she wants to eliminate private health insurance on the job, 0.91

00:39:16.640 170 million Americans, John. Yeah, I mean, that is not her position now.

00:39:20.320 How do you know that's not her position? How do you know that's not her position?

00:39:22.720 I mean, she says she no longer supports Medicare for all.

00:39:25.840 She has not said that. She has not said that. Maybe anonymous aides on a Friday night have said

00:39:30.080 that. But the last thing that she said-

00:39:33.180 This was not a radical convention. I mean, she, as you heard me go through with Bernie Sanders,

00:39:40.220 she is not taking- Look at him, Dodge.

00:39:42.280 ... positions of the far left of her party. When she campaigned for president, in her own right,

00:39:46.380 she did, in fact, promise things like decriminalizing illegal immigration and taking away health insurance.

00:39:51.400 But that's a position she's clearly changed on, and she has said she has changed. Yes, yes,

00:39:55.980 yes, she has. No, no, she has not. John, she has not said that.

00:40:00.220 Oh, Victor. Tom Cotton had him. He had him. She's never disavowed that position,

00:40:06.500 only through an aide and a written paper statement. And he switched, once Cotton brought the goods,

00:40:12.240 to, well, but this wasn't a radical convention. He got out of bounds.

00:40:16.580 What she's done, and Cotton is trying to point that out pretty successfully, it's kind of like

00:40:21.180 what we call in classics a palinset. She's taken one position or paper, and she's superimposed another

00:40:27.720 one on top of it. But she hasn't rejected the other one. The other one's just like a piece of,

00:40:32.440 I don't know, plastic that she'll peel back off. So she has never said, I'm against the New Green

00:40:38.360 Deal, or I'm against Keystone, or I'm against, I mean, I'm against, she's never said, I'm not for

00:40:44.680 that anymore. She's just sort of wink and nod, I'm flexible now. And then she's going to peel that 1.00

00:40:50.020 off and go back to her original left wing, I shouldn't say original, it's what she always has 1.00

00:40:57.400 been. But she's very careful. That's what was so good about Tom Cotton. She's not coming out and

00:41:02.160 saying, I am no longer for the New Green Deal. I am no longer, I no longer think that Afghanistan 1.00

00:41:09.500 was a successful operation. She's not saying that. And the reason she's not saying that is

00:41:15.300 because she understands she could lose a lot of votes if she flips overtly. So what she's doing is

00:41:21.400 she's just sort of adding new positions to her old ones, but the new ones that she adds are

00:41:26.360 antithetical to them. And so she's, she's kind of like a one-eyed jack. We have one side we,

00:41:33.160 we don't see. And now we see this new side, but it doesn't mean the old side's not there.

00:41:37.800 Here's what I want to say. Okay. So, so now she's claiming she's no longer for pulling all of our

00:41:42.280 private insurance away from us and putting us all on the government Medicare program, which is what she 0.99

00:41:47.220 is on record as having said very, very clearly and forcefully. A smart, honest interviewer would sit

00:41:55.180 her down and do to her what they do to Republican candidates who were pro-choice when they were 0.99

00:42:00.940 younger and become pro-life. And they always do this and they start testing the Republican

00:42:05.900 candidate to see if it's a, if it's a real change of heart, like what made you change?

00:42:11.660 How did you go from being pro-choice to pro-life? And most Republicans will give you the same answer,

00:42:16.740 which is as soon as I saw my wife's ultrasound or my ultrasound, if it's a woman, um, and saw the 0.87

00:42:22.080 beating heart, it changed me. Right. And that's a plausible answer, whatever. But I've seen this

00:42:25.760 done to Republicans a million times. So let's see that done to her. What, what change, you know,

00:42:31.400 your, your campaign aid said in a statement that you've changed your position on taking away people's

00:42:35.060 private health insurance. What changed your mind? Walk us through the reasoning. You once said you were

00:42:40.420 in favor of not deporting any illegals and giving them all health insurance. What, what changed your

00:42:45.880 mind on that? Um, you once said you wanted to ban all fracking now through a paper statement,

00:42:50.700 and you say you're not, what changed your, walk us through your logic and your reasoning. See if

00:42:54.840 her mind is even fast enough to come up with the lie that we'll cover for G. My team told me I had 0.70

00:43:01.720 to reverse myself if I wanted to win. It's not going to happen. You know why? Because she can't,

00:43:08.260 she, she can't intellectually. I mean, that's logically she can't, but she's not, I don't want 1.00

00:43:13.920 to be condescending, but she is not equipped to think on her feet and come up with a plausible

00:43:19.000 explanation or even a plausible excuse. And they know that she's been there. They've caught her

00:43:26.140 twice, Megan, and I would call it ambush impromptu snippets. And the one first was when the hostages

00:43:33.960 came back from Russia. And for a moment on the tarmac, if somebody stuck a camera, what do you think

00:43:39.940 about this? And she started talking about the art of diplomacy. The art of diplomacy was very

00:43:45.160 important. And Joe Biden, no one is better than the art of diplomacy than Joe Biden. And the art of,

00:43:50.080 and she just, she just went in that same wash, rinse, spin cycle. And then they caught her again

00:43:56.980 when she was giving a riff on democracy. Democracy is very important. We all, it's fragile. Yeah,

00:44:04.120 duality. And it's the same thing. And then they, you, each time that you look at those clips,

00:44:08.440 you look at Joe Biden's face and it's like, what is she talking about? And then it's Tim Waltz is

00:44:13.740 looking at her when she's talking about democracy and it's like, stop, please stop, stop. And

00:44:19.420 you can lose it in one minute. If she'd gone on for two minutes and people know that. And so

00:44:26.600 they know it's, that's what is so important about having these other voices and Trump

00:44:32.600 trying to point these out and people like Cotton and J.D. Vance, because there is no solution to it.

00:44:39.460 They know that. You cannot be a hard left radical and then suddenly try to stage a pseudo mega convention

00:44:48.180 and reverse everything you've said, but not specifically renounce what you are really for

00:44:54.460 because of your base. And then you can't say that you're the party that fights for democracy or

00:45:00.920 democracy dies in darkness by Republicans and then deliberately take a candidate who never won a

00:45:06.820 single delegate, never entered a single primary, was anointed by a bunch of donors and back room

00:45:13.600 politicos, and then suddenly turn her into Barack Obama. But with the qualifier, you know, Barack Obama

00:45:19.360 couldn't stop talking. He wanted it because he was good at it. He was out everywhere and they can't pull

00:45:25.760 that off. And so they're going to run out the clock if they can get away with it. And it's the most

00:45:30.500 anti-democratic thing I've ever seen in my life. She's saying now, NBC reporting that

00:45:37.080 the pair of them, Kamala and Tim Walls, have committed to doing a joint sit-down interview

00:45:44.360 with someone this week. We don't know exactly who they're talking about or when or what the format

00:45:50.960 will be, but it's also interesting that it's both of them, right? She's got her emotional support

00:45:55.460 governor with her for her first interview. So if she can't answer, she's got the good talker right

00:46:01.340 next to her. But the media will allow this and they won't pressure her to save their own dignity

00:46:08.760 because their politics are more important to them than their dignity. They want her to win more than

00:46:13.760 they want anything. And I'll just give you one example of the latest. We have so many, but here is

00:46:18.100 CNN. Watch what CNN does when RFKJ is out there starting to knock on Kamala Harris and the media 0.99

00:46:26.340 for allowing her to stay completely dark and silent when it comes to dealing with the press.

00:46:33.460 Over ideas, they would be astonished to learn of a Democratic Party presidential nominee who,

00:46:41.040 like Vice President Harris, has not appeared in a single interview or an unscripted

00:46:48.100 encounter with voters for 35 days. We've been listening to independent candidate Robert F.

00:46:52.660 Kennedy Jr. from Phoenix outlining what led him to his quixotic quest for the White House to now

00:47:02.520 dropping out and... How amazing is that? Flagged by Western Lensman on X. You know, we got to wrap.

00:47:11.180 Yes. And you made a good point that she will not appear by herself and he will do most of the talking

00:47:17.780 and she will smile and giggle a little bit. Not too much because they've told her not to, but

00:47:22.200 it won't be a one-on-one interview. Even the left-wing people, though, they're very narcissistic and

00:47:28.660 they're getting angry because they all want to have a one-on-one primetime interview where they

00:47:35.020 throw her softballs and say, look, look at, I interviewed her. I got her up in the polls by two or 0.99

00:47:41.520 three points. I really did what she couldn't do on her own. And they're not even getting that

00:47:45.360 opportunity. Remember, and every once in a while, that Lester Holt famous interview he did with her

00:47:51.440 on the border, it was, he was very throwing her softballs and he finally just said, have you been

00:47:57.200 to the border? I have been to the border. No, you haven't. Well, I haven't been to Europe either.

00:48:02.440 And it was just, it was just deadly. And that was designed to help her. And they all, they all

00:48:10.180 want that attention that I'm the one that interviewed Kamala and made her look really good, 0.98

00:48:14.280 but why don't you give me that chance? So inadvertently they, they, they, they're starting

00:48:18.600 to say, we need to have an interview with her. And I don't know how she's, this is not going

00:48:24.120 to help her, Megan. You made a good point. When she has him on there, everybody's going

00:48:27.780 to say, we don't see J.D. Vance and Trump together giving interviews much. Why? We never

00:48:33.580 see anybody do that. Why are you doing this? It doesn't work.

00:48:37.160 Trump can do it all by his lonesome. It's one thing to do it together once you've made your

00:48:41.120 pick. And then the two of you give one or two together. That's normal. But we haven't heard from

00:48:46.420 her at all since she became the democratic nominee, the heir to the throne when Joe Biden

00:48:52.980 passed you this baton five weeks ago. So to make the first appearance, a joint one again with her

00:49:00.140 emotional support governor says everything. Stand by more on that and all the news. We're going to

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00:50:15.260 So, Victor, on the subject of the dishonest media trying to help her, there are reports everywhere

00:50:25.400 today about this presidential debate scheduled for September 10th on ABC. Now, this was scheduled

00:50:31.660 between Trump and Biden, and the terms were agreed to between Trump and Biden. And they had apparently

00:50:38.740 all the same rules as the CNN debate between, between Trump and Biden, where the mics were

00:50:45.580 supposed to be cut. There wasn't supposed to be a studio audience, no notes allowed, no opening or

00:50:51.380 closing statements. And when Harris subbed in as the nominee, there was some back and forth about

00:50:58.580 whether they should renegotiate, you know, and maybe go to Fox, maybe not go to ABC. No, they want

00:51:04.320 team. Harris wanted it as is. Leave it in place. You already agreed. You already agreed. They kept

00:51:08.920 telling him. And Trump was like, okay, I'll do it. And then you should also do one at Fox.

00:51:12.780 And she, on the night, I think it was of her debate, it was on a late on a newsy night. She's

00:51:18.260 put out a paper statement saying, oh, we won't be doing the Fox debate. It might've been Monday night

00:51:22.700 when Biden spoke. Anyway, so she won't do anything on territory she considers even neutral.

00:51:30.260 She will only go to places like ABC where her best friend is the person in charge.

00:51:34.320 Um, so now she's gone back on the ABC debate to say, and I want to change the rules now.

00:51:44.480 Now I want open mics while the other person is speaking. Um, and according to team Trump,

00:51:50.560 she's also saying, and I want it to be a sit down at a desk situation. And I want notes

00:51:55.740 and I want to be able to do opening statements. Her team saying that's not true, but that's what

00:52:01.440 Trump is saying through a representative. Uh, and her team is admitting that they are trying to open

00:52:07.880 up the mics. Meaning while one candidate is speaking, the mics would be back open and the

00:52:12.580 press is running out saying that's the norm. That's the norm, which it is. They're right until

00:52:17.080 the Democrats changed the norm. And Trump said, fine, I'll do it your way. And Trump did very

00:52:23.940 well with that situation and realized, I'm sure, Hey, this works pretty well for me. I kind of like

00:52:29.000 this helps me stay more disciplined. I can just make my point when they come to me,

00:52:33.440 I can control my worst instincts, you know, which is to like jump all over the candidate.

00:52:37.440 And that makes me look better. And so he's like, no, let's stick with the original rules. And her

00:52:42.760 team is out there. And so is the media saying he's chicken. He's chickening out. And Trump did send

00:52:50.160 out a truth social post over the weekend saying, should I do this debate? Are they going to be fair

00:52:53.940 to me? Trying to change all the rules. ABC hates my guts. Look at the recent coverage. She's best 1.00

00:52:59.500 friends with the person who runs it. Look at Jonathan Carl. Look at like this, this network

00:53:03.960 can't stand me. Look at the woman who asked me that question at the National Association of Black

00:53:07.140 Journalists event. She's an ABC or look at ABC news's coverage of Trump and the Trump messaging

00:53:12.260 last week versus how they covered the Kamala Harris message at the DNC. I watched almost all of it.

00:53:17.420 Anyway, the media running cover now saying Trump is the one who's trying to change the rules

00:53:22.500 and Trump has to answer for this whole Mike's open thing or not.

00:53:28.040 Yeah, I don't think that's going to work because even somebody on CNN, I watched it and he said,

00:53:35.020 the problem with dealing with the Harris team about interviews is they have all these conditions

00:53:41.320 and the conditions is, is somebody going to edit it and who is going to interview us and how long is

00:53:48.000 it going to be? And, and in other words, they haven't experienced that before and they're now

00:53:53.160 talking about it. And that feeds into this old narrative that whatever it is, it's always a

00:53:59.980 qualification. It's always yes, but maybe sort of should have kind of, and you know, it's, uh, it all

00:54:09.920 shows you. And, and he said when he, the CNN person and I'll, and maybe I can find it or your team can,

00:54:19.060 but he said, the problem is that they know that her, and I think this direct quote, as I remember

00:54:24.660 was the worst moments of her vice presidency were when she did unscripted interviews, the worst moment. 0.99

00:54:32.080 And they know that. And so they're fixated on that. And that, that can't be hidden. And everybody knows

00:54:38.740 that if everybody starts with the premise, which they do now is that she does not want to give an

00:54:42.820 interview under any conditions, then everything makes sense. The more qualifications, the more

00:54:48.640 backtracking, all of that, the more projecting the, uh, her reluctance onto Trump. And everybody knows Trump

00:54:56.560 will speak to anybody about anything, anytime, anywhere. He does. He likes that. That's how he

00:55:02.060 made his celebrity career on television. And so that's not gonna, that's not gonna fly that suddenly

00:55:09.880 Trump is getting reluctant to debate her. And so she's going to put up all of these, uh, pseudo Trump,

00:55:17.560 uh, Trump is hesitant because she's just going to make all these, these demands. Why would anybody

00:55:22.660 debate somebody when they were sitting down with a notebook? You know what I mean? That's just crazy.

00:55:28.020 That's not the, if you're going to have notes, then you might as well not debate. I think I've

00:55:32.460 done maybe a hundred debates in my life and not one, not one was I allowed or my opponent allowed to,

00:55:40.280 to have notes. It just wasn't done. Nobody does that. Not only that, it would be a horrible debate.

00:55:46.500 Can you imagine when he's like, you, you are terrible border czar. And she's like, stand by.

00:55:51.140 Okay. Hold on. I've got, I, I, I was never the border czar. I, I was addressing root causes.

00:55:59.160 I mean, by the way, on that front, it's so absurd, Victor, because, okay, let's go with that. You had

00:56:03.980 the limited role of addressing root causes of immigration. How'd that go? How, how, how'd that

00:56:08.400 work out? Cause we have record illegal immigration. So clearly you did not solve the desire from these 0.98

00:56:14.240 countries for their people to migrate to America, which was by your own admission, your job to the 0.99

00:56:20.820 contrary. She's now reinventing herself as a border hawk. Can you deal with the hubris?

00:56:29.140 And that's exactly why Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer had that initial hesitation

00:56:37.200 for three or four days, because they really did think when they removed Joe on that sort of palace

00:56:43.820 coup, that they were going to have an open convention, or at least an open something,

00:56:47.700 because they, they had grown up with her. They knew her and they did not want to just

00:56:52.920 anoint her. And then they found out that within 24 hours, that momentum was there and they were not

00:56:58.760 going to deny a black woman who was a person in waiting as vice president, that opportunity. And so 0.82

00:57:04.260 they caved, but they were very, they were very wary. And that narrative wasn't, didn't come from you.

00:57:10.520 It didn't come from me. It didn't come from Republicans or conservatives. That narrative

00:57:14.540 for three and a half years was, you cannot get rid of Joe Biden. He will not step down because he has

00:57:21.160 a Spiro Agnew insurance policy called Kamala Harris. And even people were speculating on his side.

00:57:27.940 Maybe he picked her. It wasn't so stupid to announce in advance the gender and race of his

00:57:33.740 running mate. Maybe it was smart because she was so inept and she was so unable to speak publicly or 1.00

00:57:40.220 in an impromptu fashion that nobody would ever impeach him, no matter impeach him or 25th Amendment

00:57:47.120 or ask him to step down because the alternative was just like Agnew and Nixon until Agnew got in legal

00:57:53.200 trouble and stepped down. And so that was the reputation that she had among the kingpins of the 1.00

00:57:58.940 Democratic Party. And they know that. And the media knows that too. Everybody knows it. And that's

00:58:04.520 what's getting kind of embarrassing when everybody knows it and they know it and the public knows it,

00:58:10.080 then they expect every time the issue comes up what they're doing. Everybody said, of course,

00:58:15.640 when they mention an interview or debate or a town hall, they will have qualifications. Oh,

00:58:21.220 they will back out the last, they will switch the rules. And that's just going to feed on itself.

00:58:26.780 There's still 70 days. And, you know, that's not a lot, long time, but it's long enough to cement

00:58:33.380 that image in people's mind that she won't be able to speak, speak. And, you know, why we're talking

00:58:39.780 right now, we've had a serious exchange of fire, you know, in Hezbollah, a hundred Israeli jets and

00:58:47.860 preempting and Hezbollah sending rockets. Joe's on vacation. And she's why, who are we going to hear 0.80

00:58:54.140 from? Does anybody talk about what's going on in the Middle East? Or there's a huge offensive into

00:58:59.560 curse gets into mother Russia. Russia's said some ominous things about it. We don't hear anything

00:59:06.420 from Joe. He went from vacation in California to vacation in Delaware. She's the vice president.

00:59:11.740 You think that she would stop for a minute and act presidential and say, you know, I'm running for 1.00

00:59:17.720 president, Joe, and it's the Biden-Harris position that we want to caution or whatever she says,

00:59:23.940 but she can't even do that. There's nobody in control right now.

00:59:28.340 Oh, no, there's really no one in control. And we can talk about the Biden schedule because he's

00:59:32.760 going on another nine day vacation. But on the subject of the flip-floppers on the Democratic side,

00:59:38.760 how they, you know, a couple of weeks ago were admitting she can't do this. And now see her as the

00:59:42.620 second coming. I give you Kathleen Parker, who for a time was considered the more conservative 0.99

00:59:47.660 opinion columnist. Um, right now she's at the Washington post and here she was on March 15th,

00:59:56.780 2024. Kamala Harris could help her party and the country by stepping aside. She goes on to say she 0.99

01:00:04.320 was a colossal failure as borders are. Her role was to be quiet in this administration, 0.83

01:00:10.360 lest she embarrass her boss with her sometimes inane rambling remarks and a laugh that erupts

01:00:15.720 from nowhere about nothing obvious to others. She was picked by Joe Biden because she was black

01:00:20.740 and female, a combo tantamount to job tantamount to job security. Now that she's become a burden to 1.00

01:00:26.400 the Democratic ticket, Biden can't fire her. The seriousness of this situation can't be overstated.

01:00:32.120 His diminishing faculties are concerning. Her performance as second in command has been

01:00:35.680 disappointing. And there's no reason to think her ranking would spike where she suddenly to be 1.00

01:00:39.560 promoted to the Oval Office. Most signs point to disaster. I propose with all due respect that

01:00:44.880 Harris step away from the ticket. Please, Madam Vice President, do it for your country. Okay.

01:00:53.100 Same woman, same thing. You know, if you now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 0.92

01:00:58.340 same woman, Kathleen Parker, looking at the Democratic convention, nominating her talks about how,

01:01:04.560 um, if, if only Kamala Harris and Tim Walls can do this, muster the votes they need to defeat the

01:01:12.960 arch enemy of America's promise. As Oprah said, now is a time for grownup conversation and say it with

01:01:19.720 me for joy. Enter Kamala and Tim, surely the happiest presidential ticket and reaching a recent

01:01:26.100 American history. This isn't sarcasm. I actually, it was like, Oh, is this a circuit? No, no, this is

01:01:30.520 serious. The president from hope Arkansas said it was time to make Harris the president of joy.

01:01:36.800 If a thousand watt smile can be equated to joy, then Harris has no rival. Again, she's not about

01:01:42.340 to drop the hammer on Harris. The whole thing is Kathleen Parker on her knee, the glaring omission

01:01:48.700 of fathers in the democratic narrative, including Harris's very much alive. Father was filled by Tim

01:01:56.060 Walsh. So she's got love for him too. She goes on to suggest that Oprah Winfrey was amazing and

01:02:02.500 should win the Nobel peace prize. She talks about Michelle Obama saying she, she's no lady Macbeth.

01:02:10.320 Her conscience and hands are clean for her spectacular soliloquy. She takes home the Oscar for best

01:02:15.560 supporting actress though. I suspect many in the audience were wondering why she was not leading

01:02:20.240 the ticket and then goes on to talk about how, what a devil Trump is and how he must be stopped.

01:02:27.180 And Harris is the one to do it. That's the press. What, what did I say? Nothing. I've always been

01:02:32.940 team Harris. She's amazing. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, I don't want to be hyperbole, but it it's right

01:02:40.760 out of the old Soviet union, the prov to the official narrative just switches. You know, you have one day

01:02:45.980 you have Brezhnev on the dais watching the May day and he's obviously incompetent and unhealthy.

01:02:51.860 And then the next day he's gone and it's Andropov or somebody. And it's like, he never existed. And

01:02:58.680 then all of a sudden this guy is healthy and it was wonderful. And then he disappears and then,

01:03:03.960 and they just, they do it. This is actually, if you think about it, kind of the fourth coup they've

01:03:08.740 had. They had the first one in 2020 when Joe Biden had not won Iowa or New Hampshire, Nevada,

01:03:14.520 and he was headed nowhere and he was losing to Warren and Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders in the

01:03:20.200 poll. And then all of a sudden they decided that he was going to be the candidate. And after South

01:03:26.260 Carolina, they just all like dominoes dropped out. They anointed him. And then suddenly it was,

01:03:31.860 he was going to be a useful megaphone and he was going to, his real policy was going to be outsourced

01:03:38.040 to the Obama wing of the party. And then the third time was, well, we're going to get rid of him.

01:03:44.680 Suddenly, after we said that we would never do that. And then the fourth was,

01:03:48.800 all of a sudden we're going to reinvent her and she's going to be Cicero, but she's never going

01:03:53.980 to talk to anybody. And it's always the same pattern in those four different iterations. It's

01:04:00.220 always, we're going to change the narrative. Everybody's going to get in line. And if anybody

01:04:05.040 objects, we're going to call you a racist or crazy or nut. And after a while, you know, when you add

01:04:11.840 all of that together, I think the people are starting to see it. I really do.

01:04:16.100 Well, these people are very scary. I don't think we understand how scary they are. They're very scary.

01:04:22.700 Here's the other example. So JD Vance married a working woman. He married his wife, Usha,

01:04:30.460 who was, who he met at Yale Law School. Obviously she's a professional woman and who clerked for two 1.00

01:04:36.920 justices of the U S Supreme court and has a job at a great law firm. Um, and she had three kids with

01:04:44.040 him and she's raising the kids with him. I mean, this is this woman's firing on all cylinders by 1.00

01:04:48.740 anybody's measure. And he is 100% on board for all of it. I realized he got a lot of people upset with

01:04:55.520 his childless cat lady comments. They were looking to be upset that I don't, I don't believe that that

01:05:00.080 was sincere. They wanted to tear him down. They would have found a way to do it no matter what,

01:05:03.720 whether he'd given that interview on Tucker or not. But in any event, let's put that to the side

01:05:07.660 because even before those remarks, they were ripping on JD Vance and couldn't stand the guy.

01:05:14.160 I didn't see a single piece about, you know what, to his credit, the guy supports a working wife.

01:05:21.240 He supports having a wife who's like not only working, but frankly, her legal career crushed 0.98

01:05:26.600 his, she, she achieved heights that 99.99% of lawyers will never achieve. And he was okay with

01:05:34.140 that. He was definitely the B team player in the legal field. He went to work for Peter Thiel. He

01:05:40.080 didn't like it. He did it for five years. He came back to Ohio and started a foundation to try to help

01:05:43.660 people get jobs and help improve Ohio. She was the big money in her for that period. And honestly,

01:05:50.760 her legal resume would be second to none. I didn't see the pieces praising him for being a man who can

01:05:56.320 handle that. Whose ego is strong enough that he can let the wife be in the starring role. And yet 1.00

01:06:01.540 today, this is very interesting. Okay. This is, well, I mean, you remember on the view, it's by

01:06:08.860 Catherine Rampell of the Washington post. The piece is Doug Emhoff, modern day sex symbol.

01:06:17.660 And I'm going to read you some of what she writes, but you know who Catherine Rampell is that that name 0.65

01:06:21.520 may ring a bell because she's the one who wrote the piece, ripping Kamala's economic plan to shreds 1.00

01:06:28.380 on the price gouging saying, this is ridiculous when they're accusing you of being a communist,

01:06:34.060 maybe don't propose communism as your economic plan. And she got killed by her readers on the left.

01:06:41.540 So a week later, she writes this drivel trying to be rehabilitate herself with the left about the current

01:06:50.840 second, second gentleman, a man who may I remind you cheated on his first wife with the nanny whom he

01:06:58.360 impregnated. They either aborted the child or he abandoned the child either way. No boy. No, this is her 0.52

01:07:06.240 writing about him. His most appropriate title, progressive sex symbol. Move over Ryan Gosling.

01:07:15.340 The modern female fantasy is embodied by the man who might soon become our first gentleman.

01:07:20.540 Emhoff is secure enough with his own masculinity to sometimes, sometimes prioritize his wife's

01:07:25.880 ambitions over his own in italics. What a hunk. Whatever his previous marital drama that makes him

01:07:34.640 the working woman's ideal partner today. He's a high achieving alpha, but isn't threatened if his

01:07:41.120 wife is too. He loves his job, but he loves his wife more. He knows that supporting one's family is

01:07:51.400 about more than financial support and that temporarily setting aside his own professional ego makes him no

01:07:57.520 less of a man. The media is absolutely disgusting. Yeah. And I remember on the view also, and also I

01:08:09.360 think Joey Reed said that when J.D. Vance said that he was trying to advocate for more white reproduction

01:08:15.660 when he has a biracial, he has biracial children. So all of that's disconnected from reality. And, you know, 1.00

01:08:24.020 when they went after him on that childness, it was, and then the theme or the, I wasn't even the

01:08:30.140 subtext, the theme was abortion, abortion, abortion at that DNC. And Trump took a big hit, remember,

01:08:36.220 Megan, from a lot of conservatives like Mike Pence, that he was willing to follow the Roe versus Wade

01:08:42.900 overturn and have the states decide. And he wasn't going to have a national ban on abortion. And he said

01:08:49.840 equally that for rape and incest, women should have access to abortion, but partial birth abortion or 1.00

01:08:57.480 late term when the fetus was viable outside of the womb was going to be stopped in his opinion,

01:09:04.240 but he wouldn't go intervene. That was about as liberal as you could take in the Republican

01:09:08.620 party. And yet they attacked him on abortion. And the weird thing about it was,

01:09:14.520 you know, that issue is so dominant now. And you saw all of the imagery they had at the DNC about

01:09:23.240 IUDs and all these weird contraptions outside. And then they kept talking about, they don't even use

01:09:29.160 the word abortion. They just keep using this word reproductive rights, reproductive rights, 0.59

01:09:33.920 reproductive rights. Well, it's really not about reproduction. It's about deproduction or

01:09:38.900 unproduction. You're terminating the chance of reproduction. And yet they keep saying reproduction,

01:09:44.300 reproduction. And then you would think that the United States has a 3.5 fertility rate, but we have

01:09:52.140 1.6. And the last year was almost a record year of abortions, over a million abortions. So here you have

01:09:58.540 a situation where Donald Trump is basically as liberal as you've ever seen a Republican nominee on the issue

01:10:05.180 of abortion. It's now up to the states. We've had over a million abortions. We've got one of the lowest

01:10:13.180 fertility rates in our history. We're not, we're going to shrink. And yet they're saying that there's

01:10:18.640 no abortions. It didn't make any sense. And they're just, they hit that issue again and again and again.

01:10:24.160 And I don't, I think after a while, people are going to get tired of that too, because that was the

01:10:29.160 theme and they call it freedom to reproduce. It's not. It's freedom to deproduce. And which is okay if

01:10:36.960 that's what you believe in, but they can't, they're never explicit about what they want. They never use

01:10:41.960 language that reflects reality on the border, on abortion, on crime, on energy. And it's, it all

01:10:49.460 represents this insecurity that they're way out of touch with the American people. And the American

01:10:55.180 people have views that are diametrically opposed and they have to be fooled. They have to be tricked.

01:11:00.380 They have to be suppressed, uh, to get elected and retain power. And they've been very good at it,

01:11:06.340 but maybe their only solution is to do that. And then paint Trump as the extremist by making up his

01:11:12.620 positions. They just refuse to accept. He has said it repeatedly that he does not want to legislate

01:11:19.880 abortion at the federal level, but he is happy. It is now a state's rights issue. Here is, well,

01:11:26.660 here's Trump. Well, no, we've already played this one. He believes in exception abortions. We've

01:11:30.360 said that and that it's a state's rights issue. Here was J.D. Vance just on Sunday trying to

01:11:34.020 reiterate this point. Can you commit, Senator, sitting right here with me today. This woman's

01:11:39.940 obsessed with abortion. That if you and Donald Trump are elected, that you will not impose a

01:11:44.000 federal ban on abortion. I can absolutely commit that, Kristen. Donald Trump has been as clear

01:11:48.340 about that as possible. I think it's important to step back and say, what has Donald Trump actually

01:11:52.840 said on the abortion question? And how is it different from what Kamala Harris and the Democrats have

01:11:57.060 said? Donald Trump wants to end this culture war over this particular topic. If California wants

01:12:03.440 to have a different abortion policy from Ohio, then Ohio has to respect California and California has

01:12:08.340 to respect Ohio. Donald Trump's view is that we want the individual states and their individual

01:12:13.100 cultures and their unique political sensibilities to make these decisions because we don't want to

01:12:18.180 have a nonstop federal conflict over this issue. Kristen Welker is obsessed with abortion. She can't 1.00

01:12:25.900 stop asking about abortion. She devotes some two thirds of interviews sometimes to abortion.

01:12:30.640 I don't know what is in her past, but this woman's got a serious thing with abortion. She loves abortion. 1.00

01:12:34.980 She really wants to make sure we can have as much of it as possible. Here is Elizabeth Warren,

01:12:39.780 then responding to J.D. Vance with more lies. American women are not stupid and we are not going to trust 1.00

01:12:48.260 the futures of our daughters and granddaughters to two men who have openly bragged about blocking access

01:12:56.640 to abortion for women all across this country. No, they haven't. Look, right now where we are is if Donald

01:13:03.540 Trump and J.D. Vance take the White House, they have current law, the Comstock Act, which with the right

01:13:10.720 person that they put into the Department of Justice and one of their extremist judges out in the world,

01:13:18.000 they can actually ban all access to abortion all across this country. And understand when I say ban

01:13:26.520 access to abortion, I don't mean with exceptions for rape or incest or a 16 week ban. I mean ban it 0.99

01:13:35.100 for every woman any time she needs it. They just will pretend the truth is other than it is, 0.99

01:13:43.540 Victor. They just keep pretending. Yeah, they do. And that's not unique on the issue. They keep

01:13:50.500 doing the same thing with the Project 2025. He's sincere. He didn't know much about it. There's

01:13:56.840 things in there that I've read about 400 pages of the 900 and something pages. Some of it is very

01:14:02.520 sensible. Some of it gets into some areas that I think are kind of, you know, redundant or they

01:14:09.140 don't need to be said or they're wrong. But he's never endorsed it. And yet they keep hammering on

01:14:15.420 that. And they keep hammering and hammering and hammering. And they did. Joe Biden did that.

01:14:21.480 You know, he said that Donald Trump or Kamala Harris said that Donald Trump ordered or encouraged an

01:14:27.500 arm mod to occupy the Capitol. Of all the people that was arrested in the Capitol,

01:14:32.200 they never found one person with a firearm. And they just keep doing this big lie again and again

01:14:38.200 and again. And again, there's a reason for it. And that is they do not want to talk about the issues

01:14:44.740 because they don't pull well. And they don't know what to do about that. They don't know whether to

01:14:49.320 renounce them and flip and offend their base or and sound insincere or really go to the center for a

01:14:56.540 while or just a month. And it's the same thing about they can't be transparent about her inability

01:15:02.520 to speak. And this is not new. This what's sad about it is they did the same thing with Joe Biden.

01:15:08.720 They they reinvented him into a fake moderate during the campaign. And then he just on spec reverted to

01:15:15.280 one of the most left wing administrations we've ever had. And he was old Joe Biden that was going to

01:15:20.220 talk to people. And the only reason he was in the basement was because of COVID. And then that just

01:15:24.860 extended. They had to hide that debility. She has a linguistic debility that's every much as serious

01:15:30.940 as his cognitive ability. And they just can't be transparent. And when you superimpose that,

01:15:37.760 Megan, on this facade that, you know, they're the this elections about democracy and they're the

01:15:43.960 people who are transparent. It's it's it finally the lies and the contradictions are so overt and

01:15:49.860 shameless. It seems like I don't think they're going to be able to sustain it. And they're and

01:15:55.280 the more that they keep going, I think it's going to turn off people. It really is.

01:16:00.980 But so far, they have they have one strategy and they have so demonized Trump that anybody who

01:16:06.620 who publicly or unabashedly says they would vote or support Trump, it's got all of this social baggage

01:16:13.900 or cultural disdain for you if you do that. And that's why RFK is very valuable. And other people

01:16:20.420 like that, that will stand Tulsi Gabbard's another person. And the more that they can get people like 0.68

01:16:25.420 that, who didn't really agree originally with Trump, but came to see that compared to the alternative,

01:16:31.740 he was far superior. That's going to allow a lot of independent people and some Democrats to say,

01:16:37.820 you know what, I don't really care. And you're starting to see what that in certain groups,

01:16:42.220 young males, the African-American male community, some of the Latino males, they're starting to say,

01:16:48.460 I don't really care what you say. And that's new. And that can snowball if they do it effectively in

01:16:53.620 the next, you know, two and a half months. I want to talk about both those things, young males,

01:16:59.360 and then some of the reaction to RFKJ, including from his family. I promise this. So I want to tell

01:17:04.060 you, President Biden's on vacation again, again, he just finished a vacation. Then he came out for one

01:17:11.580 day to give a speech at the DNC. Then he went right to California on another vacation. And now he's

01:17:17.360 coming back and they released his schedule saying that he's returning not to the White House, but to

01:17:24.500 his Rehoboth Delaware beach house. Not until Miranda Devine posted this saying, I thought it was Tuesday.

01:17:30.640 They said Tuesday. She thought they meant tomorrow. They mean Tuesday of next week. He's back from his

01:17:37.340 vacation to do another nine days of vacation. We don't have a sitting vice or sitting president. 0.62

01:17:43.620 We don't, we kind of don't have a sitting vice president either because she's out there 1.00

01:17:46.740 campaigning. So we don't have anybody in charge right now in Washington. I don't know what to do

01:17:52.720 about that, but that's just a fact, just to just a little news update for you on the subject of the

01:17:57.320 young male vote. Okay. I, I'd love to get your thoughts on all of this, but I do want to get this in.

01:18:01.080 So that's why Trump's doing all this independent media, uh, Theo Vaughn and Sean Ryan, who I love,

01:18:08.420 love, love Sean. Ryan's amazing. I don't know Theo. Um, but he's very popular. He sat down with

01:18:14.100 Theo Vaughn. And what's great about these interviews is you honestly, with all due respect to us news

01:18:21.320 folks, it's great to hear him talk with somebody who's not in news, who will ask him totally different

01:18:25.560 questions and get different stuff out of him. And that's what Theo Vaughn did. And they got into,

01:18:30.240 in some detail, the death of Trump's brother, Fred from alcoholism. Take a listen to this.

01:18:37.160 Did you see like with your brother, did you, could you see it or anything? Oh yeah, man.

01:18:43.380 I was amazed because he had so much going and everything going. I think he probably had happened

01:18:51.280 in college at a fraternity maybe, or I don't know, somewhere along the line it happened. And

01:18:57.360 all of a sudden, you know, this is not unique. This is a very common story, unfortunately, but,

01:19:02.220 uh, and then the family would see it and start to notice it. And, uh, it didn't get better. It

01:19:09.620 didn't get better. I was amazed, you know, he lived, uh, for so long in bad conditions, you know,

01:19:15.080 in terms of, I was amazed that his body could hold out. It held out and it had bad moments and,

01:19:22.340 but his body was unbelievably strong that it could, that it could withstand this.

01:19:26.620 Yeah. It's a body. It's just so resilient. Yeah. Do you remember the last time that you

01:19:29.980 saw him or spent with him? I do. And, uh, I'm sorry to ask you about it.

01:19:35.160 Yeah, no. Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it is it might help other people.

01:19:41.340 If it helps one other person, it's worth the conversation. He was wise in a sense. I mean,

01:19:46.300 think of it, he's got this problem and it was very important for him to convey to me not to

01:19:51.320 have this problem. And I couldn't have been successful if I had that problem. Yeah. If I

01:19:56.360 had that problem. And, and I think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have had the

01:20:01.060 problem if I drank, but if you don't drink, you're never going to have it.

01:20:06.040 Victor, just a quick thought on that. This class, I mean, anybody he likes loves or has,

01:20:12.900 you know, any positive thoughts towards, he will find a way to say something nice about them.

01:20:17.940 You know, he look at this. This is his brother who died of alcoholism. And he points out, I I'm

01:20:22.680 amazed at how strong his body was that it could hold out. That's Trump. That's classic Trump trying

01:20:27.540 to find like a way to compliment his brother who was riddled with this disease. He talks about how

01:20:32.760 he was wise because he, he conveyed to me, don't do it. And he's the reason I never took a drink.

01:20:37.020 I haven't had a drink or a cigarette in my whole life. And it's easy to avoid it when you don't do it

01:20:41.620 at all. He goes on in that interview to talk about what an amazing pilot his brother was and how other

01:20:46.220 pilots would come and learn from him. It's just classic Trump where as, as long as you're not

01:20:52.220 out there attacking him, his general instinct is to build you up, not tear you down. But what do you

01:20:57.780 make of his media strategy right now? It's very good. And the key takeaway line was when he's,

01:21:04.740 I mentioned that earlier when he's self deprecating, he said, you know, I might've been prone to that.

01:21:08.800 And he said that before when a press conference, when his brother died, someone asked him as I

01:21:13.100 remember, and did you ever drink? And he said, can you imagine me drinking? In other words, I have

01:21:19.040 that same excessive personality that would lend itself vulnerable to alcohol. And that's what he

01:21:24.820 was saying again. And when he does that, he comes across as very human. And the more that he can do

01:21:30.360 that, the better. And the funny thing about it is when they keep saying he's going to destroy

01:21:35.800 democracy and he's going to do this. And when you look at all the people that he hired and he,

01:21:42.940 he fired, he didn't even get vindictive about, I mean, Steve Bannon, he fired him. Steve Bannon gave

01:21:50.740 a terrible interview about him. Steve Bannon is, I guess, still friends with him. He fired HR McMaster

01:21:56.840 and HR's got a memoir, but he's been, he hasn't been critical of HR and he didn't weaponize the FBI.

01:22:04.980 He didn't weaponize the DOJ. He didn't weaponize the CIA. He didn't weaponize the director of national

01:22:11.420 intelligence. They did all that. And that's, what's so strange about it is that if you look at how Biden

01:22:17.220 has, what an Obama have, I mean, the whole Steele dossier did not start with Donald Trump, it started

01:22:23.200 with Barack Obama when he weaponized the DOJ and he knew about it. And yet, my gosh, it's just a

01:22:31.580 complete reversal of reality. And that's, that's the thing about Trump is that he talks a great game

01:22:37.460 about being angry and mean, but when it comes down to it and you actually calibrate, was he vindictive?

01:22:43.200 Did he go out and try to destroy somebody's career? Did he try to use that? And, you know,

01:22:49.480 they impeached him over that. He said that the Bidens were corrupt and he wanted to suspend for a

01:22:55.740 while until they got the corruption cleared up. And that might've been unconventional, but it wasn't

01:23:02.060 quite like Joe Biden telling Israel, we have 3,500 bombs that have been congressionally approved and

01:23:07.200 you're in an existential war at this moment. And we're not going to give it to you unless you are more

01:23:12.700 conducive to our point of view, because we have to win this election and we have to appease 250,000

01:23:20.180 voters in Michigan. Therefore, that's going to affect my election. And therefore, my election is

01:23:25.060 going to affect congressionally approved offensive weapons that you need. And nobody thought about

01:23:30.560 impeaching Joe Biden. So he didn't, that's what's, he suffers from this reputation of the media and also

01:23:37.680 that he's very vocal sometimes. But when you actually look at him, that's more Donald Trump

01:23:42.200 than the other Donald Trump.

01:23:45.060 Mm-hmm. I think it's very smart. And he's reaching out to these young men who have just been the butt of

01:23:51.240 so much vitriol, nastiness, condemnation based on nothing other than gender and race by the left.

01:24:02.560 And good for him for going out there and saying, you matter to me. I, I am here asking for your vote.

01:24:08.640 Your vote's important. I mean, the Democrats better watch it because this RFKJ thing, this new line of

01:24:15.300 argument and this media strategy looks very smart. This is, uh, this is somebody over there is thinking,

01:24:21.400 all right, standby break. Um, we'll come back with the Kennedy family meltdown over RFKJ. And then a little

01:24:29.120 bit more on the media and what they did with the Beyonce thing. Wait until you hear what they're

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01:25:31.740 apply. And my whole family will be fighting so hard to reelect Kamala Harris and coach Waltz. And I

01:25:42.800 think if my dad were alive today, the real Robert Kennedy would have detested almost everything Donald

01:25:49.920 Trump represents. I'm outraged and disgusted by my brother's gaudy and obscene embrace of Donald Trump.

01:25:59.520 And I completely out and separate and disassociate myself from, from Robert Kennedy Jr. and this

01:26:10.140 flagrant and inexplicable effort to death's great and trample and set fire to my, my father's memory.

01:26:19.000 That was RFKJ sister, Carrie Kennedy ripping on her brother with Jen Psaki. Welcome back to the 1.00

01:26:24.820 Megyn Kelly show. My guest is the brilliant Victor Davis Hanson. By the way, it's interesting. She

01:26:29.760 said, she seems to have the same voice issue that he has. You could, you could hear it. I'd never heard

01:26:34.440 her speak before. Um, this is disgusting. The, the, the brothers and sisters, there were, I think 11

01:26:40.960 originally and two died. So there are nine, including him. So he's got eight brothers and sisters and five

01:26:46.380 of them have come out to attack him. Six, six of them. Okay. I'm trying to get my numbers. Douglas

01:26:53.340 Kennedy. I don't think is one of them. He used to be my colleague at Fox news. He's a good guy.

01:26:57.640 Anyway, they're disgusting. They're not only are they attacking him, Victor, they all are saying

01:27:03.680 my father would be disgusted. So it's not enough for them to say, I totally disagree with my brother

01:27:08.880 who I love. You know, obviously we have different politics, but they've got to say our dad would have

01:27:13.700 hated him and Trump. Right? So it's like such a low blow and they can't stand that the rest of us have

01:27:21.640 our own independent opinions of people like RFK senior. And you know what, Kerry Kennedy,

01:27:26.700 I reject your assessment. I think RFK senior would have loved what RFK junior is doing and would have

01:27:32.240 actually found a lot in common with Donald Trump in the messaging and the politics. So take that.

01:27:37.260 We don't accept you as the final arbiter of what RFK senior would have thought. He's all of ours.

01:27:43.660 He's not just yours. And as if she knows him better than RFK junior, who's the guy's namesake.

01:27:48.760 Yeah, I think there's two things going on. One is the asymmetry between people who are for Trump

01:27:57.900 and people who aren't. In other words, the people for Trump are not proactively demonizing everybody.

01:28:05.100 They're just concerned about the MAGA agenda. But the other people, they see Trump in 360 degrees as

01:28:13.700 culturally, socially, economically, politically unpalatable, the Prince of Darkness, and they're just obsessed with him.

01:28:20.840 And that's part of it. And by that, I mean, if he had endorsed earlier McCain or Romney, they would have been angry,

01:28:27.860 but not to this degree. This is something that they just can't fathom because they hate Trump so much.

01:28:33.420 The other thing is they're invested in the name Kennedy, and that's part of who they are,

01:28:39.320 and that's part of their livelihood. And so when a Kennedy comes out in their worst nightmare and 0.82

01:28:44.780 supports Trump, a lot of people don't distinguish, you know, Robert Kennedy from any of these Kennedy

01:28:51.700 names. They just say Kennedy, and they feel, wow, he's tarnished my brand, and that's going to hurt me

01:28:57.380 in my persona, my sense of self, my career, my remuneration. And he's really done damage to

01:29:05.360 our family label that we count on. You know, it's, I grew up in a Democratic family. And

01:29:12.640 my mother was, I think, the second appellate court judge in California. And she went to Stanford Law

01:29:18.600 School. And she was, I think, the third person as a woman, 1946, very strong, Harry Truman Democrat.

01:29:25.480 And I'm the only one in my family that was conservative. I mean, she was conservative,

01:29:31.000 but in the old Democratic sense. And I have members in my family that comparing great things

01:29:38.220 like the Kennedys to my small family. It's the same idea that I really love my family and my siblings

01:29:45.160 and everybody, and I don't talk about them. And when people ask me about them or my family, I always say

01:29:51.880 positive things about them because I feel that way. But they feel that I have been an apostate or I have

01:29:58.720 ruined the family name. And they don't speak to me. They really, literally don't speak to me.

01:30:04.180 And it's the same idea that Trump, it's something about Trump that they get obsessed at. We see it

01:30:10.040 with the never Trump people who, if they ask themselves, do I want to destroy my career? Do

01:30:15.180 I want to renounce everything that I've advocated for 40 years? Yes, if it's Trump. And it's a

01:30:22.900 derangement syndrome, as people have remarked upon. And I can feel what he... Did you just say your

01:30:28.280 family does not speak to you because they think you're an apostate? Yes, they don't speak to me.

01:30:33.560 They don't speak to me. Oh my gosh, this is crazy. And I have a twin brother. I mean, I have a twin

01:30:37.500 brother that I love very much. He's very, he's a wonderful person, but he and his wife don't speak

01:30:42.300 to me. And I've reached out, but they feel that I've misrepresented the family and in the way that,

01:30:50.040 well, you know, that they know people and then they say, what happened to your... And they

01:30:53.960 associate, you know, in liberal circles ourselves. And so it's the same thing. And when you have a

01:30:59.900 twin brother that you were very close to, it's... And I don't want to go on because I don't want to 0.99

01:31:04.800 draw and do attention to him, but in the sense it might hurt him or anything, but they feel that I,

01:31:12.040 for the last 20 years, did not represent the Democratic... And rather than saying, that's good,

01:31:17.720 we had, that's the way we were brought up. And my parents were wonderful parents. I idolize them.

01:31:22.760 I still do. And, but it's the same idea that you were bad enough when you were conservative,

01:31:30.460 but my God, you lent the family name to this person. How dare you do that? And they, I don't

01:31:39.360 think they realize what they're doing and their ostracism of a family member or that, or how they react.

01:31:46.360 And I can see he hasn't done anything wrong. He's just exercising his freedom of speech. He doesn't

01:31:52.080 speak to the other Kennedys. And if they want to clarify it, all they had to say was,

01:31:56.140 we're a happy, loving family. We tolerate dissent. Some of us, most of us are traditional Democrats

01:32:02.960 and liberals, but Bobby is not. And we respect his right. We're going to oppose him politically,

01:32:08.400 and he's going to oppose us. And that's what, that's fine. But they can't do that. They have to get

01:32:13.200 into personal insult and act as if he's some kind of crazy apostate. And I've experienced the same

01:32:19.940 thing. And it's, it gets depressing, especially as you get older and you think, wow, we're all

01:32:24.660 getting into late 60s, 70s. And it's about, you can see the end down the tunnel and it's time

01:32:31.200 to reconcile. But, and I think, why would they do this when he's getting into his 70s, late 60s,

01:32:37.900 70s? Why would they want to cut off somebody who had been a sibling? And I don't understand.

01:32:44.340 On some level, they should say, we're proud of what he's accomplished. We disagree with him and

01:32:48.260 we're going to work to defeat him and his ideas, but we love our brother. That, that was kind of

01:32:52.620 what he said. He and I talked a little bit about this and how he was raised. It's, it actually

01:32:57.760 sounded wonderful. They were raised by two parents who used to make them read, I think he said, at least

01:33:02.220 three newspaper articles every night, every morning. And then at the dinner table, they would

01:33:07.560 have to stand up and do a little presentation and take a position and defend the position.

01:33:11.380 So they were raised to debate and understand the news and have, if you're debating, you have

01:33:16.440 different opinions by necessity, but the family's fallen away from that. At least the majority of them

01:33:22.660 have. Here he was on Fox news Sunday, responding to the very nasty attacks. It was not just carry,

01:33:29.060 um, his, uh, was it his, his, yeah, his brother Max came out and said, our father would have despised

01:33:35.440 Donald Trump. Trump was exactly the kind of arrogant, entitled bully. My father used to

01:33:39.980 prosecute. My father would have so admired another former prosecutor, Kamala Harris. My father was an

01:33:46.640 anti-racist. Donald Trump is a lifelong racist. I love Bobby, but I hate what he's doing to our

01:33:52.140 country. It's worth it. Worse than disappointment. We're in mourning. Here's RFKJ responding.

01:33:57.680 Well, I love my family. I feel like we were raised in a milieu where we were encouraged to debate each

01:34:06.880 other and debate ferociously and passionately about things, but to still love each other. So,

01:34:11.880 you know, they can, um, uh, they're free to take their positions on these issues. There are many,

01:34:17.820 many members of my family who are working in my campaign, who are supporting me. I have a very big

01:34:24.020 family. There's a few of them that are, are troubled. Uh, but you know, I think we all need

01:34:30.180 to be able to disagree with each other and still love each other. Meanwhile, the same people are

01:34:35.760 saying that, uh, this is a betrayal of the values our father and family hold most dear. It's a sad

01:34:42.860 ending to a sad story. That's their messaging about him. Yeah. And you know, Robert Kennedy was an,

01:34:50.980 it was a maverick. I mean, people, they think he was just a doctrinaire. He started out working for

01:34:55.780 Joe McCarthy as a Senate aid, you know, when McCarthy was trying to find a communist under

01:35:01.000 every bed, he was pretty tough. He was attorney general, but you know, he didn't really come

01:35:06.000 around to Martin Luther King until they felt that it was politically viable. That was a different,

01:35:11.400 he had a, he had all sorts of positions is what I'm trying to say. He wasn't just predictably

01:35:16.140 left wing. He challenged his own party. And a lot of people were blaming him, uh, for injuring

01:35:23.200 Hubert Humphrey, you know? And so the point I'm making is that Robert Kennedy did things that were

01:35:29.720 off the grid, or he said things, or he switched positions. And so I don't understand how they can

01:35:35.800 say that their father would be ashamed. He was a pretty mercurial, you know, he's a great politician

01:35:43.120 and he had all sorts of different ideas at different times. And, you know, he, he was very

01:35:49.020 embarrassed that he worked for, he had been associated with Joe McCarthy as a young person.

01:35:54.100 And he was very embarrassed that he was pretty tough on the FBI was, you know, surveilling King

01:36:00.460 in the sixties under the Kennedy administration. And he regretted that, but he, I don't know. I don't,

01:36:06.960 I don't get this idea that our father would have had this concrete, predictable career. And therefore

01:36:13.820 he would say that his son is a disgrace. That's not true. And I don't know why that it's, it's so

01:36:21.920 petty and it represents a fear. Here is, so his RFKG is married to Cheryl Hines, the star of one of the

01:36:32.240 stars of Curb Your Enthusiasm. She played Larry David's wife, now his ex-wife in the series.

01:36:37.020 She's brilliant. She's very funny. And, um, she put out a very middle of the road, ambiguous statement.

01:36:43.060 It was loving toward him, but she didn't take a political position once he withdrew and endorsed 0.93

01:36:46.960 Trump and basically says, I want to thank everybody who worked for his campaign. Um, they've achieved

01:36:52.160 ballot access across the country, despite roadblocks and lawsuits brought against them for the sole

01:36:56.600 purpose of keeping Bobby off the ballots. So no one would even have the opportunity to vote for him.

01:37:01.140 I deeply respect the decision he made to run on the principle of unity. I've met some

01:37:05.980 extraordinary people, Democrats, Republicans, and independents in this process. It's been my

01:37:10.100 experience. The vast majority of all parties are truly good people who want what's best for our

01:37:14.280 country and for each other. That is perfect. Not according to Bradley Whitford, this Hollywood tool

01:37:22.160 who starred in the West wing and thinks he actually is a politician as a result who attacks her saying,

01:37:28.960 Hey, Cheryl, way to stay silent while your lunatic husband throws his support behind the adjudicated 1.00

01:37:35.260 rapist who brags about stripping women of their fundamental rights. Gutsy, great example for the

01:37:40.920 kids profile and courage that the wife must be brought down too. And you and I both know if Cheryl 0.99

01:37:49.680 Hines said anything stronger than what she did, her career would be over. It might be over already.

01:37:59.080 Well, I mean, that's what the left does. You see, because they control the institutions and even where

01:38:05.120 I work and I, and I won't get into that. If you are overtly for Trump and you're not shy about it

01:38:12.640 and you try to defend positions that have been misinterpreted, you're socially ostracized

01:38:17.840 and you're culturally ostracized. And I have lost maybe 50 or 60 close friends. I've lost friends

01:38:24.400 that were co-authors of books. I've lost family. I've lost, and I'm not unique. And that was one,

01:38:31.140 that's one of the powers that the left exercises when they control Silicon Valley, social media, 0.90

01:38:36.620 traditional media, K through 12, academia, foundations, entertainment, Hollywood, professional

01:38:42.180 sports. They have this whole iron dome over them, and they can exercise all sorts of direct

01:38:50.180 and covert pressures, and that affects people. And that was one of the reasons that they've been

01:38:55.940 successful neutering Donald Trump, because they create an atmosphere among friends and families,

01:39:02.460 and they think it's socially unacceptable. It's a cultural black mark against your name that you

01:39:09.420 would stoop to support this ignoramus. That's how they feel. And they've been able to exercise a lot

01:39:16.720 of pressure in the media and professionally in Hollywood. I really admire Hollywood actors that

01:39:22.560 have been pretty much overt, that they're still going to vote for Trump. A few of them say that.

01:39:27.960 Our professors are people in the media, because it's a career-ending experience. And then culturally,

01:39:33.960 in our bi-coastal elite, if you come out, and you're a professional, and you say you're for Trump,

01:39:40.720 you're going to be attacked, and attacked, and attacked. And I have a call from my website called

01:39:47.460 The Angry Reader, and you should see that I try to answer every once in a while. These are not lunatic

01:39:53.400 people. These are people highly educated, and they think they're important. And they will write these

01:39:59.160 letters, and they're just full of hatred and vitriol. And I don't see it the other way. I really

01:40:04.080 don't. I really don't see people on the Trump side saying, I mean, everybody says we've got to cool

01:40:09.640 the tempo, and we're a divided country. I don't see that. You know, I don't really see that. I see it

01:40:17.180 that the left is acting and reacting to Trump in a way they did. They did a little bit with George

01:40:23.860 Bush. They call him a Nazi. They've done that with Romney. Ryan was going to push the grandmother.

01:40:31.480 They do that stuff, but they didn't just completely get obsessed and lose it. And we never saw these,

01:40:37.680 the never-Trumpers, too. It's something that's really scary.

01:40:41.180 It's a category of one when it comes to bringing up the crazy in other people.

01:40:44.980 They try to destroy families. They destroy friendships. They do that.

01:40:51.420 Well, I'm so sorry to hear that you personally have been the victim of that, Victor. I did not

01:40:55.560 know that, and it's deeply wrong, but I will say-

01:40:57.940 I'm not trying to be a victim. I'm just saying that-

01:40:59.960 No, I know you're not. That's not your character.

01:41:01.960 But there you have-

01:41:02.440 We had a really good-

01:41:03.520 We love you.

01:41:04.780 Yeah. Well, I just finished. I have a wonderful colleague, Scott Atlas. You know Scott. He was

01:41:09.780 very outspoken about it. And I wrote a number of op-eds saying that he had a right to speak. He

01:41:16.320 was a wonderful person. And boy, you better shut up. You're out of your lane. How dare you do that?

01:41:24.040 We're going to get these people against you. You're going to da-da-da. Even the Stanford practice-

01:41:31.640 Well, the COVID, being heterodox on COVID was another sin. That's another reason why they don't

01:41:35.160 like RJ. I got to run. I am going to get to the whole, the full Beyonce story tomorrow because

01:41:40.680 we ran out of time. And much, much more with Stu Bergeer and Red Steez, Stephen L. Miller. But

01:41:45.440 Victor, what a great conversation. Thank you so much. You're always so-

01:41:49.120 Thank you.

01:41:50.440 Professionally and personally. Great to see you.

01:41:52.680 Thank you.

01:41:53.800 And we'll see you all again tomorrow. Got a lot in store for you. You're going to enjoy it. See you then.

01:41:57.880 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 26, 2024

Trump-RFK Alliance Terrifies Elites, and Brilliant ＂Make America Healthy Again＂ Message, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 870

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