The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Roasts Kamala and Walz at Al Smith Dinner, and Why 2024 Matters, with Maureen Callahan and Bernie Moreno

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Friday. We made it.

00:00:17.000 It's been a busy week. Last night I was out at the Al Smith dinner. Doug and I decided to go

00:00:23.440 this year watching Donald Trump roast Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, and more. We'll get into that

00:00:29.700 experience and much, much more with my first guest today. And later, the first of our GOP

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00:02:26.340 It's great to be back, Megan. Thanks for having me.

00:02:28.340 All right. So have you ever been to this Al Smith dinner?

00:02:30.320 Never.

00:02:31.220 Well, I've been a couple of times. I used to go with Fox and I'm a Catholic and I love Cardinal

00:02:37.160 Dolan. So it's kind of fun to go because what traditionally happens is the two presidential

00:02:42.180 candidates come and they make fun of themselves and each other.

00:02:44.880 Right.

00:02:45.100 And it's very good-natured. I think I told the audience, the one I remember is from,

00:02:50.200 I think, 2008 where Barack Obama got up there and he was like, oh, my name Barack comes from

00:02:55.020 my mom. My middle name, Hussein, comes from someone who thought I'd never be running for

00:03:00.680 president, which is funny, right?

00:03:02.740 Very funny.

00:03:03.460 He mocks himself. Then you do some good-natured ribbing of the opponent. Everybody sits down.

00:03:08.420 And the whole setting is bipartisan. Like last night, I have to say, it was kind of bizarre.

00:03:12.940 You're sitting there. They have this never-ending dais. I mean, everybody's up on the dais. It's

00:03:17.940 like more people on the dais than more on the floor. And you had Letitia James, the attorney

00:03:23.840 general of the state of New York, and Trump, the man whose fortune she's currently trying

00:03:29.660 to steal. And she's going to get overruled because that appellate court was crapping all

00:03:34.640 over her successful verdict. So they're up there together. Mayor de Blasio's up there.

00:03:40.460 Mayor Bloomberg is up there. Mayor Adams is up there.

00:03:45.080 Amazing.

00:03:45.740 Who's been indicted when Trump gives him a little jazz, nicely, saying, good luck with everything.

00:03:53.420 Yeah.

00:03:53.680 Good luck with everything.

00:03:54.600 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:55.420 I think you're going to win. And you got Trump. You normally would have Kamala Harris, but

00:04:00.360 she bailed. She refused to come. And she was the first candidate since Walter Mondale, right?

00:04:08.780 Since we were like 10. I don't know how old we were or what year that was.

00:04:12.560 No, I'm around your age. Yeah, absolutely.

00:04:15.320 And to not show up. And Trump made a joke out of that saying, you saw how that ended for Mondale.

00:04:20.480 Right.

00:04:20.880 Complete wipeout. He only won one state of the 50. It was a mistake. It would have been a chance

00:04:27.480 to do some outreach to Catholics. It's not just about New York. She's going to win New York City.

00:04:31.880 She's going to win New York State. It's what message are you sending to Catholics in America?

00:04:36.440 This is a very big, important gathering for them. They raised some $10 million for Catholic

00:04:41.560 charities, which help little kids. Why wouldn't you go? And what she said was, reportedly, she

00:04:47.660 was busy. You know, she was on just such bullshit. Trump is busy too.

00:04:52.160 Really?

00:04:52.260 Either you prioritize it or you don't. So she didn't get the chance to get up there, but she

00:04:58.900 sent in a video.

00:05:01.280 So are we going to watch the video?

00:05:03.500 We're going to watch part of the video. It was, we'll start with her because Trump is just,

00:05:07.940 is pure comedy gold. But look at literally nobody laughed. Nobody, it was, we were just

00:05:14.120 confused. She did this bit from, I don't know, afar and incorporated Mary Catherine Gallagher,

00:05:19.820 Molly Shannon's character from SNL.

00:05:22.000 So culturally relevant.

00:05:23.340 I know, right?

00:05:24.260 Like come up to date a little bit.

00:05:25.780 Truly.

00:05:26.080 Like the kids were probably like, who is that?

00:05:28.500 Throw your back into this. If you're going to do it remotely. I mean, this is what

00:05:31.980 really struck me. And I think goes to the core of her essential problem. She cannot laugh at

00:05:37.700 herself. She does not have a sense of humor, which is a sign of intelligence. And people love nothing

00:05:43.400 more than others who can poke fun at themselves, I think. And we saw Trump do it. You know, Eric

00:05:49.000 Adams, like his entire administration is under indictment every day. Another person is resigning

00:05:54.420 and disgrace. He showed up. That could not have been easy for him.

00:05:58.280 Right. You know, my husband was saying too, Trump had a moment up there, which was actually kind of

00:06:03.280 endearing. Just, I'm getting ahead of myself, but he said, you know, do you think it's easy? It's not

00:06:09.860 easy to come up here and speak to a room like this where half the people hate your guts and the other

00:06:16.140 half loves you. And then of course he adjusted his numbers at 70% love you, you know, but he's like,

00:06:21.440 you think it's easy to get up here and do this. He was exactly right. Like this is New York city.

00:06:26.800 It went 87% for Joe Biden. These were not his fans, but he came and he stood in front of us

00:06:34.660 and he did his bit in a good humored way. He made fun of Kamala, of course, and Joe Biden and Tim

00:06:40.320 Wallace and all of them and himself and took it like a man. Right. So she instead bombs in via videotape

00:06:47.780 with all the, the Klieg lights and the highlights on her, you know, her lighting was just, she was

00:06:53.420 aglow, Maureen. Right. Right. And she has Molly Shannon pop in and do the entire bit. It really

00:07:00.160 wasn't Kamala Harris. She just kind of wrapped it. Here's a little bit of what we saw.

00:07:04.760 Hey, what's going on? Who was that?

00:07:07.140 Oh, sorry. Mary-Kathana Kelly. Mary-Kathana Kelly. Sometimes when I get nervous,

00:07:10.440 I stick my fingers under my arms and I sit on like that.

00:07:12.940 That's gross. So tell me something. Um, I'm giving a speech. Do you have some thoughts

00:07:19.720 about what I might say tonight? My feelings about what you should say tonight would be

00:07:22.900 best expressed in a monologue from one of my favorite made for TV series. Okay. Let's hear

00:07:27.500 it. Don't you see, man? We need a woman to represent us. A woman brings more heart, more compassion.

00:07:36.660 And think how smart she must be to become a top contender in a field dominated by men.

00:07:41.080 It's time for a woman, bro. And with this woman, we can fly.

00:07:47.280 Thank you, Mary-Kathana. Thank you, Mamala. Thank you.

00:07:52.040 Your eminence and distinguished guests, the Al Smith dinner provides a rare opportunity to set

00:08:00.180 aside partisanship and come together to do some good by supporting the tremendous charitable work

00:08:06.980 of the Catholic church. Why didn't you? Really? Where were you? I also love her wiki thumbnail of

00:08:14.660 what the Al Smith dinner is. I mean, is that not her in a nutshell? Right. Let's go back to whatever,

00:08:19.680 whatever, whatever. And I can just eat up some time. Right. You know, I was raised Catholic. I no longer

00:08:25.100 really consider myself a Catholic, but I think she is making a huge mistake. I think there's no way to

00:08:30.220 read that other than dismissal and disdain and to watch Jim Gaffigan, like to have that thing land

00:08:36.120 with a thud, like the room, the, what I watched was silent. Yes. And then he gets up and he makes

00:08:41.440 fun of her and he's a pretty middle of the road. He's not a Trump fan. He's, I think he's publicly

00:08:46.000 criticized in the past. Pretty sure. Yeah. It seemed like he had no use for her. No, exactly. I was

00:08:51.360 surprised last night because I thought he's a hundred percent on team Harris. And then when I heard him

00:08:54.960 last night, I'm like, Oh wait, what? No, he, it didn't go over well at all. And the only,

00:09:00.740 I went back and watched it again this morning because my experience of it in the room was of

00:09:04.540 course, she's so repellent. She's not warm. She just totally missed the moment. The moment is about

00:09:13.060 being funny, making fun of yourself. And then yes, others too. And singe don't burn is generally the

00:09:20.120 rule at all these things. She did not make fun of herself at all. She got up there and

00:09:24.920 the little bit that we cut out of that. That was almost the entire thing. We just played the

00:09:28.000 audience. It didn't go on for much longer than that. I wrote down the other things that were in

00:09:32.240 there. Um, she said, do you have any advice for me, Mary Catherine? Um, and the Molly Shannon

00:09:37.740 character says, don't, don't bear false witness against your neighbor. And Kamala Harris responds

00:09:44.160 with, especially when it comes to election results. Oh, okay. But I'm okay. And then the second

00:09:51.000 one was the, my other piece of advice is maybe don't criticize Catholics. And Kamala says, oh,

00:09:57.120 I would never do that. That would be like criticizing Detroit in Detroit. That's it.

00:10:04.900 That's as much as we got out of her in it. Nothing about herself. Didn't take a shot at like her weird

00:10:11.260 laugh, her cackle, the coup, you know, she should have gotten some SNL writers in there.

00:10:17.320 She had somebody from SNL to write something funny about herself that would have made her seem warm.

00:10:23.560 One hundred percent. And there's no lack of material there. There's no dearth of stuff to

00:10:27.780 poke fun at. Are you kidding? That little bit too of, um, first of all, don't, don't offend Catholics.

00:10:35.040 Like we can take it. Yeah. You know, like WAPO, their coverage of last night was that Trump was

00:10:41.680 profane and below the belt. Right. And all I could think was, excuse me, nobody does that better than

00:10:49.560 Catholics, especially Irish Catholics. We are so fluent in that. Are you kidding? That's great.

00:10:55.660 It's true. So to then not bear false witness. Well, how about these women that are causing some

00:11:03.140 trouble vis-a-vis your husband? Yeah. What about them? How about that? As Mary Catherine Gallagher

00:11:08.400 is saying, woman, woman, vote for, well, how about these other women? Yeah. And when I was

00:11:14.160 reading a bit before joining you, I, I had not realized this, but in 2022, Biden signed an act

00:11:24.140 called the Speak Now Act. And what that does is free any woman who has had to sign an NDA regarding a

00:11:31.500 sex assault or harassment settlement to speak freely without any fear of retribution.

00:11:39.000 Let's do it. Let's go. Nanny. Right. Let's hear from the nanny. And the ex-girlfriend. The ex-girlfriend's

00:11:44.740 not speaking. She's not under an NDA, at least not as your paper, uh, the email is reported. I think

00:11:50.140 she just doesn't want to come out because her life will be ruined. I think so too. And I think my hope is

00:11:56.020 that it as difficult as it may be for her, that she can maybe see the bigger picture because this

00:12:05.860 story is so completely underreported still. And I cannot believe it. It's infuriating. Honestly,

00:12:14.160 well, let's, let's table that. We'll do SNL first or not SNL, but, uh, Al Smith. And then we'll do

00:12:18.580 Doug Emhoff because we've saved this for you because there's so much to go over the dereliction that we've

00:12:24.520 been seeing. So she missed the moment. She didn't get it. She offered no jokes at her own expense and

00:12:30.300 she made absolutely zero inroads. I believe she did not go because the Catholic church, you might

00:12:36.180 know at home is anti-abortion. They're not big on abortion. That's fine. She is, that's her number

00:12:43.120 one issue. And they are not pro this trans mania. They do not believe that you can be born in the wrong

00:12:49.380 body or change your sex. And I think she was worried about offending people on her side who

00:12:56.560 believe in those things as though those people aren't aware that that's how we Catholics view the

00:13:01.520 world and would see her visit to a dinner that every Democrat for 50 years has attended as somehow

00:13:09.220 breaking new ground against them. It's really incredible. I mean, if she's that fearful of her

00:13:16.040 own base, what is she doing? You know, when she, it's akin to what she was saying to Brett Baer the

00:13:22.220 other evening when he was pressing her and she was saying, well, I will follow the law. I don't think

00:13:27.060 she understands the job description of president of the United States and how, you know, Barack Obama

00:13:33.740 had a lot of needles. He, a lot of threads rather, he was trying to work through a needle when he was

00:13:38.860 first running in 2008. He did not shy away from any of this stuff. And we know that David Plouffe,

00:13:44.160 one of his top guys is now one of Kamala's top people. And I really think she is this,

00:13:50.820 I mean, we know she's difficult to work for, like 90% of her staff is fled in tears.

00:13:56.320 No one can get through to her. I don't, I think, you know, you often make the Meghan Markle comparison

00:14:01.860 and I think that's right because I don't think she's smart enough to know what she doesn't know.

00:14:07.200 I don't think she has the humility to listen to constructive criticism. If any one of us had had half

00:14:13.420 those flaming disasters of interviews, I mean, I'd be holding crisis meetings and asking people,

00:14:20.080 how do I up my game? Tell me what to do. I will listen.

00:14:23.240 And the chance, like on the heels of that disastrous Brett Baer interview to come out

00:14:28.460 and show that you still have a sense of humor. You're still willing to put yourself in front of

00:14:32.980 a crowd that may not be all in your favor. Even raise something about it, you know, like something

00:14:38.260 that you did, something silly, something about you that's bad that's in the news and people will

00:14:42.520 love you for it. They really would. The smartest thing she could do was, is to go on Saturday Night

00:14:48.040 Live. Yeah, but she won't. She doesn't have that gear and I hadn't linked it to her lack of

00:14:53.440 intelligence, but you're a hundred percent right. There's no evidence that Kamala Harris is an

00:14:57.820 intelligent person. There really isn't none. I've been very open-minded to it. I mean, I can see

00:15:02.440 somebody clearly and say, I don't like this person, but I can tell that it's a smart person.

00:15:07.680 She's not there. That's not her. So you're right. That's why she's unable to make fun of herself

00:15:12.860 other than she can laugh at other people's jokes. She can just cackle her way through

00:15:16.520 what she recognizes is supposed to be a funny situation. So contrast that with Trump who gets

00:15:22.080 up there. It actually was kind of funny. He was a little obsessed with the fact that there was a

00:15:25.900 teleprompter, but they told him he couldn't use it. I don't know. I guess he really didn't want to

00:15:33.260 have to read his speech old school. Oh, but I think they did him a favor because they let Jim

00:15:39.680 Gaffigan use the teleprompter. He was the MC and it seemed to fail on him more than once. And you

00:15:46.360 could see him kind of like deftly, but stutter his way through a couple of bits as it stalled and then

00:15:53.320 tried to recover. So I'm wondering if just it was either tradition or whether they knew the

00:15:58.640 prompter wasn't that steady and they wanted to spare Trump from having to deal with that.

00:16:04.260 I don't know what the answer is. Anyway, it was funny to me and Doug that like he kept going back

00:16:08.920 to it. He said, they told me I couldn't use the teleprompter. Now I get here. There's a beautiful

00:16:13.140 teleprompter. I guess only you can use it. Yeah. So he gets up there and hits everybody. I mean,

00:16:21.260 it was like machine gun fire. He just hit everybody in the room, but in a very funny way

00:16:27.740 and himself talked about like the indictments, all of that did not mention Tish James. I think

00:16:33.360 I'm trying to remember. I don't remember whether he did that, but here's a sampling of how it went

00:16:37.420 for him. It's a true pleasure to be with you this evening. Amazing pleasure. And these days it's

00:16:44.260 really a pleasure anywhere in New York without a subpoena for my appearance.

00:16:52.180 But if you really wanted Vice President Harris to accept your invitation, I guess you should have

00:16:57.120 told her the funds were going to bail out the looters and rioters in Minneapolis and she would

00:17:04.560 have been here guaranteed. She would have been here. Guaranteed. There's a group called White

00:17:12.620 Dudes for Harris. Have you seen this? But I'm not worried about them at all because their wives

00:17:18.180 and their wives lovers are all voting for me. That's great. Campaigning can take a toll on a family

00:17:26.640 and family life, although I hear that Kamala and her husband carve out some really beautiful

00:17:33.220 alone time at the end of the day for an intimate dinner. Just Doug, her, and the teleprompter

00:17:39.520 that she uses quite well. Tradition holds that I'm supposed to tell a few self-deprecating jokes

00:17:47.360 this evening. So here it goes. Nope. I've got nothing. I guess I just don't see the point of taking

00:17:59.480 shots at myself when other people have been shooting at me for a hell of a long time and

00:18:05.020 they shoot it. But unfortunately, Governor Walz is in here himself. But don't worry, he'll say that he

00:18:11.740 was. He's going to say it. That's great. I used to think the Democrats were crazy for saying that

00:18:19.500 men have periods. But then I met Tim Walz. The stupid show The View is so bad now that the other

00:18:30.600 day I was watching it and thinking to myself, you know what? They really need to bring Rosie O'Donnell

00:18:36.680 back. Oh, God. That's desperate. That's great. That's so funny. And even the joke about like,

00:18:43.960 you're supposed to say something self-deprecating. So here goes. I got nothing. Is him being self-deprecating?

00:18:49.780 Like he's making fun of self-awareness. Right. Because I am notoriously depicted as very thin

00:18:55.740 skin. Right. And I'm a braggart. So why would I do such a thing? And it's amazing to watch Michael

00:19:00.360 Bloomberg, former mayor, sit there with a stone face. Yes. Just completely will not be charmed by

00:19:06.520 this whatsoever. Right. No matter what you think of Trump, he was charming in that little bit he did.

00:19:13.540 And that goes a long way. Relatedly, so I was at my doctor yesterday. And these are people I have

00:19:21.540 known for like 15 years. I'm wearing a red baseball cap. One of the doctors says, I saw you from behind.

00:19:30.500 And I thought, oh, my God, is she wearing a MAGA cap? And I was thinking to myself, well, what if I

00:19:36.520 was? So what? Right? Right. Do you think differently of me now? Like, I'm not wearing a MAGA cap, but that

00:19:43.420 doesn't mean you know what's going on inside of my head. It makes you want to wear one. It kind of makes

00:19:48.100 you want to just be like, you know, and it just it was a moment where I thought there are so many people

00:19:56.160 in this race as it comes to its inevitable thankful close who are considering Donald Trump in ways they

00:20:04.440 thought they never would. And I think there is going to be such a silent turnout for him. I really

00:20:11.380 think he's going to win. Do you? I do. Do you? I'm getting worried. Tell me why. Because I've reached

00:20:17.480 out to a lot of people who I know and said, how's it looking? How's it looking? How's it looking? And they

00:20:22.520 just keep giving me back the same feedback. 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, you know? So I think that's real.

00:20:29.300 I think that you'd rather be Trump. They also say I'd rather be Trump than Kamala.

00:20:33.460 Like the momentum seems to be with Trump and he's closing strong and he has a tendency to do that.

00:20:38.300 And he doesn't have the baggage around him this time around COVID and lockdowns and all that that

00:20:42.940 he did going into the last one. But it's tight, Maureen. It's very, very tight. And I think it could

00:20:51.160 very well be a real nail biter on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. No, agreed. I wonder

00:20:58.100 if we'll even know that night, you know? I know. I really do. And it's so, for people like us who

00:21:04.320 live for this stuff and marinate in the news, it's really exhilarating. And then just as a person and

00:21:11.600 someone who loves this country, it's frightening and terrifying.

00:21:17.440 It's such a fork, you know? It's not like, I don't know, even like Romney, Obama. There were

00:21:23.700 big differences, big differences, policy speaking. But it didn't feel, you know, I don't want to say

00:21:28.880 existential. I don't think this is existential for the country. I know many people do. It didn't feel

00:21:33.160 this huge. You know, the gulf, the delta between the two of them just did not feel quite this

00:21:37.980 enormous. Yeah. I mean, we are about to go on one of two paths and it's almost just diametrically

00:21:43.740 opposed depending on how this goes. And not only that, the whole Senate House and White House could

00:21:51.780 both go either way. Right. You know, I know what the odds are, but I'm just saying it is potential

00:21:56.060 that one party or the other could emerge with full control, which is just like terrifying in some

00:22:04.740 ways. One hundred percent. So, yeah, I like I actually woke up the past few nights at three

00:22:10.120 in the morning. I'm like, am I becoming one of those lunatics whose life gets overwhelmed with

00:22:14.700 politics? I've never been that person. It's just my team reminded me. They're like, no, it's that

00:22:19.720 you're overwhelmed with the amount of news that we're trying to stuff into the show every day

00:22:23.080 and don't get to. Now, I still have more to say. And there's crazy stories and there's fact

00:22:27.860 checks that we need to do. There's just too much shit being thrown at us. And I feel like we've

00:22:31.820 got to keep it straight. You know, right. The other side is up to its level of lies

00:22:35.320 and we have to respond accordingly. Yes. Yes. And it's also I think everybody's running on this

00:22:41.820 level of cortisol and adrenaline. And it's just I feel the same way. I mean, I have nights where

00:22:49.360 it's difficult to sleep and I'm not even sure what it is that's keeping me awake. But it's this

00:22:54.120 constant bombardment and this constant feeling that this this election does feel different,

00:23:01.420 even though every election since Obama has been the most consequential ever.

00:23:05.580 I find it fascinating, by the way, that our favorite multimillionaires, the Obamas,

00:23:11.120 who are all about democracy and the future of this country, have been very quiet when it comes to

00:23:15.800 Kamala. Like they're coming out of the woodwork, right? They're checking their box. They're doing

00:23:20.820 their duty, whatever. But these two do not want her in office. And that says everything to me,

00:23:28.180 whether you agree with Obama or not, he's one of the smartest political minds of the past 50 years.

00:23:34.240 He is. He knows what he's doing. And he didn't think she could do it. He was the last of the big

00:23:39.280 names to endorse her. And it kind of got dragged into it because she had secured the whole thing,

00:23:45.420 notwithstanding his reservations. And then what choice did he have? But he's smart enough to know

00:23:50.640 she's not a smart person and she should not be having the job that he does know very well.

00:23:55.260 100%. And I really, when he said that thing to that audience of black men

00:24:02.820 about his theory that they don't want to pull the trigger for Kamala because she's a woman,

00:24:10.020 I mean, says the man married to the most popular figure in the Democratic Party,

00:24:16.000 Michelle freaking Obama.

00:24:17.840 Maybe in the nation.

00:24:18.700 Yeah.

00:24:19.160 This is not a sexist country that can't stand the idea of a woman. That party begged Michelle Obama to

00:24:25.180 run. Begged. But he looks right back at them and says, it's your sexism at play.

00:24:29.660 It's your fault. It's your shortcomings. You're too small minded. Who doesn't love to be told how

00:24:34.540 small minded they are by a guy who's jetting back to his estate in Hawaii that he's building?

00:24:40.500 No, all of them. And then Michelle Obama, you know, how much money does she get per speech?

00:24:44.260 Look at all of her estate, her estates. And then she's, you know, she's out on the,

00:24:47.580 as you know, at the DNC talking about how we're suspicious of people who earn too much money.

00:24:53.400 It's just that they're everywhere saying that kind of messaging to us. And I think

00:24:57.140 it's like Bruce Springsteen was out endorsing Kamala Harris. It's like, you have more money

00:25:01.000 than God. Like, just stop. Okay. John Bon Jovi was out endorsing Kamala Harris. It's like,

00:25:06.120 you used to be a Jersey boy who understood how these voters are living. Those days are long past.

00:25:12.140 I've been behind the stage at a John Bon Jovi concert, seeing him first class firsthand.

00:25:18.200 And I was with Kid Rock who was drinking his whiskey like a normal rocker should. And there

00:25:26.160 was John Bon Jovi literally with his white wine, with his pinky out. I'm like, really?

00:25:31.180 Of course he endorsed Kamala Harris. You know, it's just, you see this parade of multi-millionaires

00:25:38.520 like, and then today Taylor Swift dropped a video on Insta where she just walks. You see her from

00:25:44.580 behind walking into a stadium and then she turns to the camera and she's holding her little kitty.

00:25:50.780 Here it is. Her little kitty just reminding us she's childless cat lady. Maureen, here it is.

00:25:55.180 S-E-S-Y-Y-R-E-D. Play with me, I put a pile on your teeth. I'm with my peoples and we coming 50

00:26:03.180 deep. You ain't know I was a hitter cause I'm always looking flea. Cash out, new bar, A-M-G

00:26:09.280 outside, bubblegum with some bloody red seats. Like Taylor Swift can relate at all to the problems

00:26:17.860 of the working class or the middle class who are really considering Trump, even if they don't much

00:26:22.700 like the man. I'm going to guess that's a $15,000 cat. I'm not kidding. She is so awkward

00:26:29.820 anyway. She's so profoundly awkward. You know who matters? Beyonce. Where's Beyonce for Kamala?

00:26:35.980 It's true. She let her use the song, but she hasn't really been out there for her.

00:26:38.940 She was for Hillary. It is kind of interesting. I think it's very interesting.

00:26:44.000 Well, the other thing is Taylor Swift, like parading out. How old is Taylor Swift now? 34.

00:26:48.900 34. Parading out like with your swagger, like childless cat lady. I'm not sure it has the

00:26:54.900 message that you think it does because your love life and your travails are in the news

00:26:59.000 every other week. Yeah. Like we understand you sing all the time about being rejected and cheated on

00:27:05.880 and discarded. Like, okay. It's like a little more complicated than you're leaving, leading us to

00:27:11.280 believe. Yes, it really is. I mean, I thought it was, you know, when she came out after that

00:27:16.020 debate on Instagram and disabled her comments, but through her weight behind Kamala,

00:27:23.420 I thought that was a really strange choice. I just thought why, I guess she's so wealthy.

00:27:28.960 It really doesn't matter. Yeah. But why would you alienate half of your fan base? Yeah. Why would

00:27:34.280 you do that? It makes no sense. She doesn't care. I mean, I think she lost a few million subscribers

00:27:39.500 on Spotify. I can't remember what the number was, but looking at it was like, she had 200 million

00:27:44.480 subscribers and she went down to 200 million minus five. It was like, I don't know. She lost a few

00:27:50.900 million. I was like, well, in this huge, that's like Kim Kardashian losing a million followers on

00:27:54.880 Instagram. She wouldn't even feel it. So she doesn't care. And that's fine. I think the consumers

00:27:59.300 should just be aware of that when they give their daughters over to this woman and remember to

00:28:04.700 counter-program your daughter, that Taylor Swift may sing some songs your daughter likes,

00:28:08.500 but that does not make her any sort of moral arbiter in how they should live their life

00:28:12.760 or choose their partners, approach relationships, anything. It's true for all these rock stars.

00:28:18.480 Nevermind just her. Anything. Exactly. The Bruce Springsteen example too is so salient because he

00:28:25.000 said, I don't know if you ever saw his thing on Broadway. Well then I saw it on HBO. I didn't pay

00:28:30.940 money to see it, but everybody was raving about it. Like it was the most amazing one man show ever,

00:28:35.240 ever, ever. And he gets up there and he starts talking about how he was just like a boy with a

00:28:40.260 guitar and a dream. And like, we all got the memo a long time ago, but he says, you know,

00:28:46.440 the thing about me is I am a fraud. I sing about what it's like to be working class. And I really

00:28:52.280 have never been. Never. Well, just assume there were some years there in the childhood,

00:28:57.080 maybe the childhood, but he was such a success from such an early age and was,

00:29:01.580 and was sort of anointed the future of rock and roll at such a young age that he has lived in a

00:29:07.860 bubble for the bulk of his adult life. And he doesn't really know what it's like to be working

00:29:12.240 class. And he doesn't know what it's like to struggle as great as his music is. It's just not

00:29:16.860 the same. And I don't think Taylor Swift, as she embarks on the eight millionth leg of this never

00:29:23.840 ending heiress tour has time to immerse herself in the issues. Yeah. I don't. Exactly. She's got

00:29:29.820 one issue, which is abortion. And that's what she's in favor of. Similarly today,

00:29:34.780 Ian Samms, who works for the Kamala Harris campaign was tweeting out that Kamala's appearance

00:29:39.180 with Brett Baer earned over 7 million viewers, whereas Trump's town hall in the middle of the

00:29:43.700 day with Harris Faulkner, by the way, when people are at work, but that's fine. Only earned only about

00:29:47.600 3 million. And we were laughing, thinking this is not good news for you, sir. You, you, you should not

00:29:53.720 have wanted more people to see that interview. Like it's not good for you. The 7 million saw her

00:29:58.760 there that it didn't go well. 100%. I think a lot of that is people rubbernecking. Like they can't

00:30:05.100 believe it. Like that's the thing that if I were her, I would mock at the Alice Smith dinner. I would

00:30:11.420 want to mock that. I would want to have people telling me to hard rap, you know, and like watching

00:30:17.600 her continue to go in on Brett Baer. Like, I really think she thought she was like on fire. I think she

00:30:25.980 thought she was winning this. And meanwhile, her whole team is like, he's like, ma'am, like your

00:30:31.220 people are telling me to hard rap. It's not, it's not even going in yet, you know? And it's sort of

00:30:35.940 like that. I think it's one of the most insane interviews I've ever seen. You know, something I

00:30:43.680 was watching it with my family and, uh, all three of my kids who are not political beings, but they're

00:30:50.780 just kind of taking it all in as kids. All three of them were like, just answer the question. Why

00:30:56.440 doesn't she answer the question? The even kids got it that she was dodging and she left everybody

00:31:03.660 with the same impression. She can't answer it or she won't answer it. Neither one is good.

00:31:07.700 And so it is not something to be celebrated that she got 7 million viewers on that. And by the way,

00:31:11.920 the reason Trump's town hall with, with Harris Faulkner did not rate bigger is a, it was in the middle

00:31:17.560 of the day, but B because he does it all the time. He's everywhere, which is good. That's what

00:31:23.660 he should be doing. Yes. At this point, it's not about doing like four events in which you get huge

00:31:28.700 ratings with, which absolutely Trump can do. He's got unlike Kamala Harris, a lifetime of huge ratings

00:31:36.120 had the number one show on television for 10 years. Yeah. Revitalize cable news for the last 10 that

00:31:43.260 we've just been living through not to mention broadcast. So please spare me, right?

00:31:47.300 If Trump wanted to just strategically drive the numbers up very easily, what he's doing right now

00:31:53.080 is trying to blanket the field, right? He's said yes to virtually every podcaster out there because

00:31:58.580 he's just about getting himself exposure, right? As opposed to just driving somebody's numbers up on

00:32:04.500 one hit. And he's so smart to do podcasts where you have longer, more free ranging discussions,

00:32:10.680 which really does show a nimbleness of mind. Like, and he'll just talk about anything,

00:32:16.460 you know, whereas she needs these parameters. And I think it was Jim Gaffigan at the event last night,

00:32:23.960 you tell me, who said something like, well, she can make time for call her daddy.

00:32:27.700 Yeah. But she can't make time for us. And that's all you really need to say for the Catholics. I

00:32:32.360 mean, really, that's, that's who she rejected in favor of the sex podcast. You know, the problem

00:32:37.720 that Trump is having in this race, if he's having one, and I mean, he is in that he's not running away

00:32:42.380 with it. So there's, why is that? It's of course the gender gap. And, um, I mean, there are definitely

00:32:48.280 hangover effects of January 6th and all that too, even with men. But the biggest problem is

00:32:53.400 women don't like Trump. And I know there are lots of female Trump voters listening to this right now

00:32:59.260 saying I do, I'm saying countrywide, far more women dislike Trump than like him. And I just don't

00:33:07.380 know, like, how do you get through to those women? You know, because I want them to listen to us talk

00:33:14.320 like you do not seem like a far right or even necessarily a right. I've never asked you what

00:33:18.040 your politics are. I don't care middle of the road. Yeah. You know? And I of course had a very

00:33:22.720 complicated history with Trump. All I can tell you for sure is that, you know, within the last

00:33:26.440 eight years, I really did not much like Trump at all, but then I watched him govern and I looked

00:33:33.620 at the alternative and I looked at the country and at some point this becomes a binary choice.

00:33:38.380 And that's kind of how I felt in 2020. And I did vote for Trump in 2020, even though it was much

00:33:43.720 more difficult decision for me then, you know, I was still like, I don't know if this is a good

00:33:48.080 person, but I liked the policies. And now I'm at the point where I just see Trump very

00:33:53.280 differently. I don't think Trump is a bad person. I think he's controversial for sure. And he says

00:33:58.340 incendiary things, not the most sensitive character, but I don't really give an F. I feel like I don't

00:34:03.760 want the most sensitive character. I would, I would elect one of those effete Democrats if I wanted

00:34:08.100 that. Right. I want a tough man when he stood up after getting shot. Yeah. That's like just a

00:34:13.800 before and after moment. I want someone who's not afraid of China or Russia or Chuck Schumer.

00:34:20.100 That was one of the best moments last night. He almost like just must trust Chuck Schumer's hair.

00:34:25.760 Like he's like, he did it. They want us to believe Nancy Pelosi got rid of Biden. It was him. He did

00:34:31.120 it. This guy right here. So funny. He's not afraid of any of these people. Like even just sit on the

00:34:37.100 stage with Tish James. Yeah. How could he do it? That takes real balls. Anyway, I just, I hope these

00:34:44.860 women can see it's about more than his language, whether he's rough around the edges, you know,

00:34:51.860 and it's the way we ended our show yesterday where he spoke to that Bloomberg journalist, Maureen. And

00:34:55.680 the guy was like, Oh, is it proper to call him Gavin? A new scum. Any one of the CEOs in this room

00:35:02.420 would get fired for using language like that. And Trump was like, I don't care. They don't get

00:35:07.820 attacked. Like I do that. They don't have to fight the way I do. Right. He's so right. He's

00:35:13.040 there's never been somebody more attacked than Trump. And so this is how he's chosen to get through

00:35:18.080 it. Right. You know, to be bare knuckled and not unforgiving because he will forgive you. If you,

00:35:24.300 if you're warm to him, he'll be warm to you. But if you're not, he'll, he'll keep it going forever.

00:35:28.200 Um, and to be sometimes petty, but it's that same streak that makes him stand up for Brett Kavanaugh

00:35:35.700 that makes him not fold when he gets indicted four times, when they literally try to steal his entire

00:35:41.860 corporate fortune, when they accuse him of rape and a 32 year old trumped up charge. It's the,

00:35:49.120 all of that has to come in this package. I just, I really hope women consider that in deciding

00:35:54.940 whether he's too much. So to your disclosure about who you voted for in 2020, I voted for Biden

00:36:03.640 and I knew he was not fully compost mentis. I knew he was installed there by the party,

00:36:12.560 but I felt a real kind of fatigue. I think with COVID with lockdown, Trump's administration had felt

00:36:21.320 extremely erratic people coming and going. And it just seemed like that was a check for normalcy.

00:36:28.080 And I felt relieved when I did it, even though Joe Biden would never have been my first choice.

00:36:34.580 Now I am also someone who has been yelled at personally by Donald Trump. I'd had nothing like

00:36:40.780 what you had, but I know what it's like. And I have to tell you, Megan, it was a high watermark of

00:36:45.900 my career to be yelled at by this guy. And he kept going to the point where I said, sir,

00:36:51.740 I think I have to let you go. Like you must have more important things to do than yell at the likes

00:36:57.100 of me. Um, but I think what's happening is you have to really, I look at, you know, they sort of,

00:37:05.040 there's sort of this argument, like, well, you're kind of at this point voting for a person.

00:37:08.420 And then there's this whole apparatus that really runs the country.

00:37:11.640 But when I think about the last person in the room or the 3am call argument,

00:37:17.480 all I can think about is Joe Biden in the situation room being told by his top military

00:37:23.160 advisors, his top war strategists, don't exit Afghanistan like this. Don't, please don't.

00:37:29.380 And he said, you know what? I'm going to do it. I'm going to. So it matters. It matters. And

00:37:34.720 every time Kamala Harris opens her mouth, she is not for us. She's not for anybody but herself.

00:37:41.900 She's really not. And I truly believe, yes, you should always be suspicious of anybody who wants

00:37:47.080 this amount of power. But we do know how Trump governed in the first term. This country did

00:37:52.540 really well under him. Really well. And you kind of know what you're going to get. You do know.

00:37:59.360 I actually think that that trumps his ego, his enormous ego, and the fact that, like,

00:38:05.780 everything is a reflection of him that's close to him, the Trump brand, Trump Tower, his Trump

00:38:09.840 company, you know, Melania, all of it. Like, I think that's how he sees. It's not a bad thing to

00:38:14.780 have him feeling that way about the country. Like, the country does well. I do well. It looks good for

00:38:20.280 me. Actually, we can use that to our advantage. That's how I thought it played out the first time

00:38:25.840 around. He took personal pride in the U.S. successes, and he took any losses personally,

00:38:32.300 too, and, like, wouldn't allow it and would stay on it like a dog with a bone the way he would a

00:38:37.740 reporter who he thought had crossed him, the way he would do a political enemy who he thought

00:38:42.320 wouldn't stop opposing him. I just think it's actually a net positive. All the tumult that comes

00:38:49.660 with him personally, I think there, net-net, it's a positive for us as a country. And you look at the

00:38:57.160 other side, it's like, I do think that Brett Baer questioned Kamala Harris about, what did you know

00:39:02.900 about the mental acuity? How amazing was it that someone finally asked that question?

00:39:08.280 We've given her a total pass. And just today, Maureen, he's overseas. I think he's in Berlin,

00:39:15.880 President Biden. Look, this is circulating on Twitter right now. Just take a look at the current

00:39:20.920 state of our sitting president. Okay, look at this. I don't know if you've seen this video. Watch this.

00:39:26.980 I'll describe it for those in the audience. He is walking in like he is 200.

00:39:32.280 He's pointing at the floor trying to figure out where to stand. Oh, and then he stops and thinks

00:39:39.640 he's nailed it like a two-year-old with a big smile. Anybody who's ever spent time with a two-year-old

00:39:47.120 relates to what he just did there. Unsteadily walks out and you had that feeling as the adult,

00:39:54.620 like, oh, oh, she's going to make it. Then when you can see he nails his spot,

00:39:59.100 he looks up and gives a big smile, just like you've told your little junior to do for his school

00:40:04.360 picture or his school play. I know.

00:40:06.840 She covered that up and refuses to take responsibility for any of it.

00:40:13.940 I could not believe he asked that question. I was like, finally, because when I was watching the

00:40:19.480 debate, I was like, are we just pretending that this is not a thing that's happened? That she's not

00:40:24.960 been with him every week, as she has said, or last one in the room when a big decision is being made

00:40:31.060 and she knows nothing. I mean, the Biden that we just saw is and that we have been seeing

00:40:39.760 is terrifying. It's disheartening. It makes me extremely angry because this is what the power

00:40:48.160 structure is about, just holding on to power however long you can.

00:40:55.300 Biden, I think, is marshalling every last resource he has to shiv Kamala. That's what he's got the

00:41:03.080 energy for.

00:41:03.840 How it looks.

00:41:04.640 I'm sorry, I'm doing the Kamala hands.

00:41:06.300 Oh, the Kamala hands.

00:41:07.200 I've started mimicking the Kamala hands.

00:41:08.600 I decided that's one thing I like about Kamala Harris.

00:41:11.120 Really?

00:41:11.560 Well, she has pretty hands.

00:41:13.060 Well, she does. And they're very well manicured. She has a very expensive gemstone. I'm sure

00:41:18.980 Dougie gave it to her.

00:41:20.140 I'm sure he did.

00:41:20.880 Seems like a piece of apology jewelry to me.

00:41:22.740 I was just going to say, maybe after a fight.

00:41:25.120 After a little indiscretion, maybe. But I think that watching that video, I've never seen Joe

00:41:32.060 Biden as animated in recent memory as he was talking shit to Barack Obama.

00:41:36.700 Yes, the lip readers say it was about her.

00:41:39.140 Yeah.

00:41:39.620 She's not strong.

00:41:40.760 Not like me.

00:41:41.700 Yeah.

00:41:42.000 Not like, not like Methuselah.

00:41:43.680 Yeah.

00:41:44.800 He knows.

00:41:46.760 Okay.

00:41:47.640 By the way.

00:41:48.760 Oh, here's the lip reading thing.

00:41:49.980 Okay.

00:41:50.540 I don't have the, the translation in front of me, but was it the New York Post or the

00:41:55.640 Daily Mail?

00:41:56.000 Somebody hired a lip reader to try to figure out what they were saying.

00:41:59.040 And he was saying, she's not as strong as I am.

00:42:01.440 And it was the Daily Mail.

00:42:03.080 I don't have it in front of me anyway.

00:42:04.040 It was something like that.

00:42:05.840 And Barack Obama, I think was saying like, yeah, I know, or I agree.

00:42:08.280 This is at Ethel's funeral, right?

00:42:12.780 Yes.

00:42:13.200 Where then Bill Clinton got up there and said like the weirdest stuff about how they always

00:42:18.400 flirted together.

00:42:19.380 Like, what do you, and how, what are you doing?

00:42:21.660 Like the replacement rates are down.

00:42:24.080 We need more women like you to shoot them out.

00:42:26.880 Okay.

00:42:27.460 Wait, my team sent me the transcript.

00:42:29.040 Here it is.

00:42:30.020 Early in the conversation, Biden says to Obama, she's not as strong as me.

00:42:34.740 Obama solemnly replies, I know that's true.

00:42:38.780 We have time.

00:42:40.340 Obama then says to Biden, no, that's not on, presumably looking at a mic, to which Biden

00:42:46.320 simply responds, hmm, Obama adds, I think it's important that we can have some time together.

00:42:52.500 We'll take it at face value.

00:42:54.820 Biden then appears to back his predecessor up saying, yeah, we'll get there in time.

00:42:59.520 Obama then turns his back to the camera and says something to Biden, to which Biden responds,

00:43:04.180 uh-huh.

00:43:04.800 So the relevant part is she's not as strong as me.

00:43:08.640 I know that's true.

00:43:10.300 We have time.

00:43:11.740 Not much.

00:43:12.680 So that's, according to the Daily Mail's lip reader, we don't know whether that's in

00:43:18.200 fact what happened.

00:43:18.780 But I think you're right.

00:43:19.600 He is trying to shiv her because it would be the greatest I told you so for team Biden

00:43:24.940 ever, right?

00:43:25.900 Like you should have stuck with the one that brung you.

00:43:30.360 100%.

00:43:30.760 So we ran this image of Biden last week.

00:43:34.040 I did a column that was sort of a wrap of Kamala's media blitzkrieg.

00:43:38.120 And at the last minute, they swapped in this image of Biden wearing a MAGA hat, like a Trump

00:43:44.500 hat.

00:43:44.960 Yeah.

00:43:45.800 Megan, I thought it was superimposed.

00:43:48.180 I thought it was a joke that we were pulling.

00:43:50.420 I thought that at first, too.

00:43:51.900 And then I realized it was real.

00:43:53.860 And I thought, oh, there's not a mean girl within 500 yards of Biden that can compete

00:44:00.820 with his animosity.

00:44:03.760 He is wanting to take her down.

00:44:07.960 And I love it.

00:44:08.840 I just love it because it's a real party at war.

00:44:11.820 We know what they think.

00:44:13.120 Yeah.

00:44:13.300 We know what Biden thinks.

00:44:14.200 We know what the Obamas think.

00:44:16.180 You know, Hillary is busy out promoting her book.

00:44:19.760 Does she have time to give lip service?

00:44:21.980 I don't think she does.

00:44:23.540 And then Bill Clinton goes out there and tries to say that if only they had vetted those illegals,

00:44:29.880 then Lake and Riley would still be alive.

00:44:32.000 I mean, is remarkable, is he that far gone that he doesn't know that guy is a problem

00:44:36.960 for the Obama or for the Harris administration, not for earlier years like that guy was let

00:44:42.760 out by the Harris Biden administration, which makes me wonder, is Bill Clinton also trying

00:44:49.500 to sabotage her?

00:44:50.540 I know.

00:44:51.080 Like, it's a good question.

00:44:52.040 I just thought it was sort of age and him slipping.

00:44:54.640 But maybe it's something more nefarious than that.

00:44:57.100 All right.

00:44:57.360 Now, I got to ask you, but you don't have to answer.

00:44:59.120 All right.

00:45:00.160 What are you thinking about this time around?

00:45:02.520 This election?

00:45:03.140 Yeah.

00:45:03.880 I am afraid to say what I think I might do.

00:45:08.040 I, you know, I've talked about this with you a lot.

00:45:12.840 And I was talking to a friend of mine about this yesterday.

00:45:15.480 There are people I am very close to who would consider themselves never Trumpers.

00:45:20.940 I considered myself a never Trumper.

00:45:24.480 But even just looking at the devastation wrought by these hurricanes, I have cousins who live

00:45:29.440 down in Florida.

00:45:30.440 I have a cousin who she and her family have lost their house.

00:45:33.260 They've lost everything.

00:45:34.480 And she was saying FEMA on the ground here is useless.

00:45:38.660 Like, we have no help.

00:45:40.340 These are people who have resources.

00:45:41.900 They're not like the people in Batcave who are really the poorest of the poor.

00:45:46.280 And I said to her, you know, my parents, they lost their house in Hurricane Sandy.

00:45:52.400 And FEMA was also useless.

00:45:55.460 I cannot tell you, Megan, how many times my brother would go to FEMA and say, where's our

00:46:00.480 application?

00:46:01.040 And they would say, we lost it.

00:46:02.900 We invite you to reapply.

00:46:04.900 That's the reality of FEMA.

00:46:06.420 And that's the reality of this administration, which is just falling apart at the seams, whether

00:46:13.640 it's that or the the migrant crisis or the soft on crime policies that are destroying

00:46:19.860 our greatest cities.

00:46:21.260 And I think, well, it wasn't like that under Donald Trump.

00:46:26.640 And the Middle East wasn't on fire under Donald Trump.

00:46:29.920 And we didn't have an emboldened Putin under Trump.

00:46:34.060 And Ukraine wasn't, you know, all of this stuff.

00:46:36.720 And so I'm really trying to think as rationally as possible.

00:46:40.980 And it is possible.

00:46:42.520 I thought I thought for a while, never, especially after he gave that interview to Time magazine,

00:46:47.980 really left a bad taste in my mouth.

00:46:49.980 But looking what they've done to him, the lawfare, which every New Yorker, no matter how you feel

00:46:55.240 about him, all we all know bullshit when we see it.

00:46:57.840 Yeah.

00:46:58.040 So, yeah, I mean, I'm kind of thinking I could, I might.

00:47:03.680 And I think I'm like a lot of people, women especially.

00:47:06.700 Yeah, I really do.

00:47:07.900 Abortion is not their biggest issue for the Dems and women.

00:47:10.700 I've told this story before, but in 2020, it was still kind of near my own personal bad

00:47:17.380 period with Trump.

00:47:18.560 And so I still wasn't much of a personal fan of his.

00:47:22.200 But I had seen him govern for four years and I liked his policies a lot.

00:47:26.240 And he was chaotic.

00:47:27.360 Like, I, I don't love thinking about my president quite that much, right?

00:47:30.660 Like, I kind of want to think about myself more.

00:47:32.580 And I know others felt that way.

00:47:34.100 I've heard that people express that.

00:47:35.320 But overall, I was very happy with the direction of the country.

00:47:38.420 But it was still hard for me personally to actually vote for Trump because of everything.

00:47:44.700 It almost felt like, am I betraying myself?

00:47:46.720 Is this a lack of dignity on my part?

00:47:48.560 Right.

00:47:48.680 Like, he did not treat me well.

00:47:50.540 I know he was very angry at me and whatever.

00:47:53.000 But, and I remember telling my group of friends who are really, they did not like Trump.

00:47:58.420 They were, they were all Democrats and they couldn't stand Trump.

00:48:03.000 And then they were doubly mad about what had happened between yours truly and Trump.

00:48:06.920 And we had dinner and I, I told them I voted for Trump.

00:48:10.800 And I actually like choked up because I was, it was just the end of an emotional saga for me where I just felt like, you know what?

00:48:19.040 But I, I've come full circle with this guy.

00:48:22.200 He, he's been this weirdly large figure in my life for all sorts of strange reasons.

00:48:27.240 Um, but I see the good in him and I see what he can do for this country.

00:48:32.740 And it isn't about me.

00:48:34.480 It is not about me.

00:48:36.220 You know, it's about my values.

00:48:37.680 Like, it's not about my personal ego or what happened to me.

00:48:42.540 And my friends were pretty shocked.

00:48:45.080 They were kind and loving, but couldn't believe it.

00:48:49.040 And my dearest friend who was, who had been campaigning for Joe Biden.

00:48:53.080 I mean, she'd been out there canvassing for Joe and doing phone banks and so on.

00:48:56.580 This time around is doing them for Trump.

00:49:00.020 No kidding.

00:49:01.380 Yes.

00:49:02.540 This was my, one of my established, established leftist friends.

00:49:06.520 And she, all of the Biden policies and the school shutdowns and the obsessive focus on race.

00:49:12.920 And she and her whole family now, who are all Democrats, have migrated over to, I mean, full-on MAGA.

00:49:20.920 And it's just, you know, things can change just because you had this past with him, whether it's not as personal as mine or whatever, doesn't mean you can't take a fresh look at the guy and say, what is best for the country?

00:49:32.140 You know, can I shrink my ego out of it?

00:49:34.880 Can I ask you, when you disclosed this very dark secret to your friends that you had voted for Trump, did you worry at all that they might look at you differently or treat you differently?

00:49:45.720 I thought they might look at me like I didn't have self-respect, you know, like how could I vote for a man who would put my family?

00:49:53.960 Because they lived it with me, you know, firsthand.

00:49:58.240 But they didn't.

00:49:59.360 They were kind.

00:50:00.680 They were loving.

00:50:01.340 They've never judged me like that, you know, so I shouldn't have been expecting that.

00:50:05.000 I should have given them more of the benefit of the doubt.

00:50:07.460 But even like then disclosing it publicly is a big step for a reporter.

00:50:11.780 100%.

00:50:12.180 Right.

00:50:12.520 Or a journalist.

00:50:13.300 I've never done that in the past.

00:50:14.800 But I did feel like it was important because just given Trump's role in our country and our politics, people need to know where my biases are when it comes to him.

00:50:25.260 You know, we just talk about him so much.

00:50:26.540 I just want people to know the honest truth about me and him so that they can factor everything I say about him through the right lens.

00:50:32.540 And now I've really gone.

00:50:34.000 You know, I'm not I don't fully wear the MAGA hat yet, but I would, Maureen.

00:50:37.860 I would wear that hat.

00:50:39.020 And I'd I'd be even more likely to wear it if somebody tried to shame me out of doing it.

00:50:43.140 Anyway, we got to take a break.

00:50:44.880 But I want to say to you, I hope I hope you do it.

00:50:47.860 I hope you put the hat on.

00:50:49.220 I hope you fill the ballot out for Trump because I think it's what's right for us and the country.

00:50:54.840 Love you.

00:50:55.280 Stay by.

00:50:55.740 Stay by.

00:50:56.400 We're going to be right back.

00:50:57.160 We're not done.

00:50:58.160 We got to get Doug Emhoff.

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00:51:00.300 We'll be right back.

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00:52:00.400 A major issue of this race is child care, and Kamala has put forward a concept of a plan.

00:52:07.560 A lot of people don't like it.

00:52:08.900 The only piece of advice I would have for her in the event that she wins would be not to let her husband Doug anywhere near the nannies.

00:52:17.960 Just keep them alive.

00:52:21.000 So good.

00:52:22.020 And so true.

00:52:23.060 So good.

00:52:23.680 Okay, so when last we spoke, the Doug Emhoff story, part two, had hit the Daily Mail, hit, being the operative word, it hit the Daily Mail, and he hit his ex-girlfriend, according to the Daily Mail.

00:52:37.580 He's denied it.

00:52:39.540 Since then, he's been on, by my count, at least five or six podcasts and shows, and literally zero people have asked him about it.

00:52:50.600 Zero.

00:52:51.000 Wow.

00:52:51.260 Do you happen to know, like, how many of those hosts may have been women?

00:52:56.980 Were any of them women?

00:52:57.760 One, Molly Jung Fast.

00:52:59.740 Oh, that one.

00:53:00.760 Oh, please.

00:53:01.840 Who thinks of herself, purports to be a feminist.

00:53:04.440 And a serious political commentator, neither of which she is.

00:53:08.900 Exactly right.

00:53:09.580 And she asked him nothing, not one word about it, a total fail.

00:53:15.480 And then he goes on a show called Uncomfortable Conversations with somebody named Emanuel Acho.

00:53:24.540 Uncomfortable Conversations.

00:53:25.860 Hello, Emanuel.

00:53:26.860 That is your big moment.

00:53:28.120 Do your thing.

00:53:28.800 It's in your show name.

00:53:30.140 And here is a little bit of how that went.

00:53:33.700 But tell me something about yourself that I can't find on Google.

00:53:38.680 Oh, my God.

00:53:39.720 Ooh.

00:53:40.800 That's, I've never had that question before.

00:53:43.280 Well, Google doesn't show your character.

00:53:47.400 I mean, Google can't really show, you know, how I grew up and how my father and my mother raised me.

00:53:56.900 And the fact that they're 87 and 83 and they're still around.

00:54:00.820 They've been together almost 70 years.

00:54:03.520 And the values that they imparted on me of loyalty, your family first, hard work, sticking up for others, you know, not taking any crap and, you know, just being there for other people.

00:54:18.680 Sure, Jan.

00:54:22.340 I love it.

00:54:23.680 I also love the dropping of the G's when it gets close to Election Day by the elite.

00:54:28.660 We're just regular people talking to you morons out there, relating like we do.

00:54:33.980 It's so true.

00:54:34.760 Like, this is an opportunity for me to show you how relatable I am with my mom and my dad.

00:54:39.120 And definitely not about me banging the nanny or slapping around my ex.

00:54:43.320 You know, those were the values they imparted to me.

00:54:45.600 My really great old parents.

00:54:47.880 They really, you know, and it's a good thing Google can't tell your character, dog.

00:54:51.440 It's a really great thing.

00:54:52.620 There's no x-ray for that yet.

00:54:54.000 It's got me now worried about the parents.

00:54:56.060 Seriously.

00:54:56.760 What exactly did they teach you?

00:54:57.900 What are your values?

00:54:59.340 He and Kamala love to talk about their values.

00:55:01.400 What are they?

00:55:02.180 So then he goes on with Dan LeBetard, who I guess is a sports analyst.

00:55:09.400 And I don't, the audience knows, know much about sports and I know even less about the analysts who talk about it.

00:55:14.960 But here's a little bit of how that went when he was asking Doug Emhoff about the switcheroo and the day that Kamala found out totally passively.

00:55:25.140 Oh, right, right, right.

00:55:26.020 That she'd been elevated to the position of nominee much.

00:55:28.860 You said that communication is key, but she couldn't communicate with you immediately to tell you that Joe Biden had stepped down, correct?

00:55:37.660 You were busy in spin class, right?

00:55:41.000 I, that was right.

00:55:42.900 So it, it, it, it was, I was in LA.

00:55:45.540 It was during that weekend when all the planes were down because of the software glitch.

00:55:51.160 So I, I had to spend an extra day in LA and decided to go to a cycling class with some friends and it was an hour, hour class.

00:55:58.580 And we were just chit chatting.

00:56:00.120 I had my phone in the secret service car, so I didn't have my phone.

00:56:04.140 And then my friend's partner just showed me his phone with the letter from President Biden.

00:56:10.140 And I'm like, gotta go.

00:56:11.700 And just ran into the car.

00:56:13.100 And there was my phone, literally like you could feel the, the steam, seven or eight messages all with, you know, where are you?

00:56:20.700 Call Kamala, call Kamala.

00:56:21.860 And it was a one minute or less conversation, which started with where the F were you?

00:56:28.540 I need you right now.

00:56:29.880 And basically get to work.

00:56:34.600 That's so weird.

00:56:36.060 I I've never spoken to Doug like that in our 18 years together ever where the F were you?

00:56:42.160 I don't care how big the news is.

00:56:43.840 Like what, who talks to their spouse like that?

00:56:46.540 Maybe someone who's often wondering where their husband is talks like that.

00:56:50.020 That now you're on to something.

00:56:53.020 Yeah, I think that's an interesting theory.

00:56:54.700 I think I am also vis-a-vis this media blackout.

00:56:59.220 So Bill Maher did his regular show last Friday.

00:57:04.360 He waited until the overtime segment, which nobody watches because you have to tune into a whole other who's got the time.

00:57:11.180 That's when he brings up the Doug Emhoff story.

00:57:13.820 That's when he says to his panel, don't you think this media blackout is disturbing?

00:57:18.040 Well, I don't know, Bill.

00:57:18.980 If you think it's that disturbing, why don't you do it on your actual show that people watch?

00:57:23.140 Let's elevate it to the actual airtime.

00:57:25.180 And any of these other broadcasters who I've never heard of before, you want to make a headline for yourself?

00:57:31.060 Yes.

00:57:32.080 Do it.

00:57:32.660 Right.

00:57:33.000 Ask the question.

00:57:34.000 Just ask it.

00:57:34.940 Get him to deny it.

00:57:36.580 The thing about the Bill Maher segment that was interesting was Laura Coates of CNN was on there.

00:57:40.800 She was infuriating.

00:57:43.460 So she's like, well, I don't know anything about that.

00:57:47.680 I don't know much about that.

00:57:48.800 Like, why not?

00:57:50.680 It's a massive story.

00:57:52.200 The Daily Mail is one of those popular circulations in the world.

00:57:55.320 You don't ever look at it.

00:57:56.600 You don't follow politics.

00:57:57.900 You have a whole show where you talk about politics.

00:58:00.320 This one just escaped your notice somehow.

00:58:02.940 Bullshit.

00:58:03.540 You know all about it.

00:58:04.560 You decided to reject it because it hurts your side.

00:58:07.180 And then she follows up with, I do think it's really important to make sure of allegations before one reports them.

00:58:14.700 You do?

00:58:15.680 Tell that to Nick Sandman, who your network smeared, suggesting he was antagonizing a Native American on the steps of the Supreme Court, making a smirky face at him while he just innocently danced on the steps.

00:58:26.400 And the truth was exactly the opposite.

00:58:28.700 Nick Sandman was there minding his own business, being polite.

00:58:31.320 And he was getting antagonized by that guy, which is why he sued them for defamation, and they were forced to settle.

00:58:36.740 Tell it to the hands-up-don't-shoot morons who are on CNN.

00:58:39.860 That's how that got started.

00:58:41.020 Sonny, Hostin, and the others, hands-up-don't-shoot.

00:58:43.260 They're holding their little signs.

00:58:44.920 Did you investigate that one before you ran with those allegations?

00:58:48.140 Jussie Smollett is not.

00:58:49.580 Please.

00:58:50.440 They always run with this shit before they verified it.

00:58:54.300 They just don't like it when it hurts their side.

00:58:57.100 Number one, she got an entire pass on that show.

00:59:00.240 She is an intellectual lightweight, and that is putting it politely, because she's a Black woman.

00:59:04.620 So let's get real, okay?

00:59:05.980 Bill Maher loves nothing more than to go in on his women guests and, like, roll his eyes at them and call them stupid.

00:59:12.140 He does it all the time.

00:59:13.800 But not in this case.

00:59:14.680 Not in this case.

00:59:15.740 She was treated as though the profundities were just rolling off her tongue.

00:59:20.540 And she sat there in her full—like, much in the way Sonny Hostin does.

00:59:24.920 I am self-actualized, and everything I have to say is like—it's like manna from heaven and the smugness and all of it.

00:59:33.760 And it's just insufferable.

00:59:35.380 And as to her completely flimsy point, well, we need to look into this and make sure these allegations have some weight behind them.

00:59:44.280 First of all, that's called doing your job.

00:59:46.040 Yeah.

00:59:46.260 Okay, Laura Coates?

00:59:47.180 Go ahead and investigate.

00:59:47.900 Go ahead and investigate all you want.

00:59:49.820 We at the Daily Mail found three witnesses, ear witnesses, a contemporaneous outcry, documentation, her airline tickets.

01:00:01.100 How do you think we got those?

01:00:02.020 Right.

01:00:02.300 Do you know what I mean?

01:00:03.160 They'd just fall out of the sky into your lap?

01:00:05.000 Nothing of our legal team, which like puts me through the paces all the time, and that's for an opinion column.

01:00:11.700 I'm sure.

01:00:12.340 An opinion column.

01:00:13.740 So don't treat our reporting like we're just—like, as Joe Scarborough said, these tabloid stories, Doug, about your personal life.

01:00:22.640 Excuse me.

01:00:23.400 And the landing was something like, how do you deal with that?

01:00:26.020 How do you center yourself, keep yourself centered, notwithstanding these attacks, which he doesn't specifically list out.

01:00:31.940 So people in his audience don't know, if they haven't read it, that he's been accused of smacking a woman across the face, slapping her so hard she spun.

01:00:40.600 And the nanny, you were talking the other day about that LAPD call to her house that lines up with her timeline of pregnancy.

01:00:48.980 Yep.

01:00:49.220 And the nanny disclosing to people that she believed Doug's temper had caused her to lose that baby.

01:00:56.520 This is a very, very, very serious allegation.

01:00:59.480 Both of them are.

01:01:00.160 And to just watch the media whistle past the graveyard and hope this goes away is disgusting.

01:01:07.300 Well, and how about Kamala Harris?

01:01:08.940 She goes on that sex podcast, which you wrote a great column about.

01:01:12.960 Oh, thanks.

01:01:13.340 Calling that host who decided to wear a sweatshirt to her interview with the vice president of the United States.

01:01:19.140 You referred to her as the simpleton.

01:01:21.300 The simpleton, of course, was not going to be able to ask any meaningful questions.

01:01:24.920 But she goes on that sex podcast and starts railing about domestic violence and how we need to say something.

01:01:31.420 You know, whether it whether it happens on the street or behind closed doors, it's important that we say something.

01:01:37.460 And it reminded me of the that fake version of Kamala Harris who came out at the Brett Kavanaugh hearing like I am woman.

01:01:46.980 Hear me roar.

01:01:47.640 I will not take any shit from these male abusers.

01:01:51.240 I'm going to protect the women of America.

01:01:53.860 Oh, wait.

01:01:54.860 Unless it's my husband who is the alleged abuser.

01:01:57.800 We pulled the sound.

01:01:59.380 Let's watch some of it.

01:02:00.840 Judge Kavanaugh, have you taken a professionally administered polygraph test?

01:02:04.140 All three of the women who have made sworn allegations against you have called for an independent FBI investigation into the claims.

01:02:12.180 So I'm going to ask you one last time.

01:02:14.540 Are you willing to ask the White House to authorize the FBI to investigate the claims that have been made against you?

01:02:22.420 The FBI would gather witness statements.

01:02:25.080 You have witness statements.

01:02:26.940 I don't want to debate with you how they do their business.

01:02:30.080 Say yes or no, and then we can move on.

01:02:31.620 I've had six background investigations over 26 years.

01:02:35.380 As it relates to the recent allegations, are you willing to have them do it?

01:02:38.900 The witness testimony is before you.

01:02:41.300 No witness who was there supports that I was there.

01:02:45.900 Okay, I'm going to take that as a no, and we can move on.

01:02:47.980 Do you agree that it is possible for men to both be friends with some women and treat other women badly?

01:02:58.560 And she stood up and said to Christine Blasey Ford, who had far less evidence supporting her story than the woman in the Daily Mail, and said, I believe you.

01:03:13.320 I believe you.

01:03:14.740 She was a believe all women liberal back then, just a few short years ago.

01:03:20.340 Now, not a peep from her, from her team, and not a reporter willing to ask her about those statements and how she so readily rushed to judge Brett Kavanaugh, but won't even speak to the allegation that her own husband is a woman abuser.

01:03:38.780 She won't go anywhere near this.

01:03:41.780 She is, you know, sort of curating her interviews and who she's going to sit across from.

01:03:48.160 I wondered, watching the Brett Baer interview, I just thought, was this further down on his list?

01:03:55.540 Because he went for the Biden question, I thought perhaps, and then I wondered, I wonder if not how many women he might have on his team.

01:04:04.680 Because if I were on his team, I would be in that room advocating, like, it's the number one question, it's the number one question, not just because it needs to be asked, but it's going to put her back on her heels.

01:04:13.820 It's going to destabilize her.

01:04:15.440 We're off our talking points.

01:04:17.540 You know, we're off opportunity, economy, and whatever.

01:04:22.540 Answer this question, especially to the women of America, who you are, you know, this whole thing, too, when she's like, I'm a prosecutor.

01:04:30.000 My teenage best friend was abused.

01:04:33.020 Like, you can't have it both ways.

01:04:35.740 You're doing her a favor.

01:04:37.260 You could easily say, I think in general, I think in general at Fox, they would feel like, oh, well, it's a tabloid story.

01:04:44.440 It hasn't been confirmed by one of our own.

01:04:46.940 You know, they would treat it like that, so we can't ask about it.

01:04:49.480 And I think Brett probably had just a short time with her, and it just wasn't high on the list of priorities.

01:04:55.180 But if I had her, I would easily ask it, and I would do her the favor of saying, the Daily Mail's got a very serious series of reports now about your husband.

01:05:03.040 The first alleges that he cheated on the first wife with a nanny, which he has now confirmed.

01:05:07.300 The second alleges that he hit his ex-girlfriend, the one he was dating a year before you, so hard she spun around and then fled from him in conference in 2012.

01:05:16.880 Do you deny it, and what have you done to look into it?

01:05:20.460 That's journalism.

01:05:21.860 It's not that hard.

01:05:23.100 It's not Megyn Kelly making stuff up about you.

01:05:25.540 It's in one of the most widely circulated papers in the world.

01:05:28.780 Millions of people have read it.

01:05:30.140 Ask her about it.

01:05:31.520 Ask her about it.

01:05:32.380 And by the way, if this were a truly defamatory, made-up story that was like a political hit job, she'd be out front and center saying as much.

01:05:42.120 Yes, that's exactly.

01:05:43.260 And they'd put out the ex-girlfriend.

01:05:45.400 And they'd put her out.

01:05:47.080 They would.

01:05:47.820 They absolutely would.

01:05:48.980 She'd be out there saying, let me talk to Maureen Callahan.

01:05:51.000 I'm going to have to talk to Maureen now.

01:05:52.360 I'm going to have to tell her this is a lie by your paper.

01:05:54.420 Sorry you got it so wrong.

01:05:55.660 That hasn't happened.

01:05:56.820 Right.

01:05:57.160 And there's no way Kamala Harris would ever come near you.

01:06:01.240 Yeah.

01:06:01.640 Because she knows.

01:06:03.060 And you know what?

01:06:04.120 She should, because we have a lot of audience.

01:06:06.580 She really should.

01:06:07.640 We've got a lot of voters who listen to this show who are in the key swing states and honestly are right in the sweet spot of the people she probably thinks she can get.

01:06:17.180 You know, we don't have all Trumpers and we don't have all, you know, leftists.

01:06:22.180 I think we have mostly center right, some center left, center and right listening to this show.

01:06:27.820 That's exactly who she's trying to target if she's going on Fox and potentially sitting with Joe Rogan.

01:06:32.660 Here we are, Madam Vice President.

01:06:34.520 I'm here for you.

01:06:36.120 She should do it.

01:06:37.040 But for many reasons, but chief among them, too, is you do a very conversational show.

01:06:43.300 Like, you and I often wind up talking about things that aren't even on, like, an agenda.

01:06:48.060 Right, right.

01:06:48.420 You know, I don't think she can do it.

01:06:51.040 I don't think she can sit and have a conversation about ideas and parry back and forth and want to hear things that might run counter to her belief system.

01:07:01.640 I just don't think she's capable of any of it.

01:07:04.360 That's the thing, too.

01:07:05.420 I mean, I am open about the fact that I'm not going to vote for Kamala Harris and I don't think much of her.

01:07:09.380 But the truth is, if she came into this studio or if I went to her and I sat across from her, I would treat her with total respect.

01:07:15.660 I would not show those personal feelings in the exchange.

01:07:18.380 Right.

01:07:18.600 That's just being honest about how I actually feel, which is what I do in my new lane.

01:07:22.760 I talk about my opinions on these politicians and their policies.

01:07:25.920 But in the context of an interview, I would be my normal self.

01:07:29.480 And honestly, like, if I were across from Trump right now, who I want to win, I would have to hammer him on the controversies that are around him.

01:07:37.180 And this rate, I would do my job.

01:07:39.380 I'm both a journalist and more of a pundit now in some ways, too.

01:07:43.840 And if they conflict, the journalist wins.

01:07:46.400 Right.

01:07:46.760 I just wish that were true for everyone.

01:07:48.920 Okay.

01:07:49.240 I want to move on to this story that's all over the news right now because it continues a theme that you and I have discussed many times.

01:07:55.240 And that is the death of Liam Payne of One Direction.

01:07:58.260 How many times have we talked about the downsides of young fame, fortune, too soon before these kids really can handle it?

01:08:10.180 And all that comes with it.

01:08:12.880 You know, it's like even the success stories are fraught.

01:08:16.140 But so this poor guy who is part of this British boy band, one of the most successful of all time, 70 million records sold.

01:08:23.820 I actually didn't know a ton of their songs, to be perfectly honest with you, until I went and, you know, searched the music essentials.

01:08:29.840 And the one I know the best is that everyone knows.

01:08:32.140 I don't really know that.

01:08:35.620 I'm a Harry Styles person.

01:08:37.260 You know, he was in the band.

01:08:38.680 Right.

01:08:38.900 Harry Styles was in the band.

01:08:40.400 Yes, you know that song.

01:08:41.320 Being the way that you are is enough.

01:08:46.060 Everyone else in the room can see it.

01:08:49.920 Everyone else but you.

01:08:52.740 Baby, you light up my world like nobody else.

01:08:56.860 The way that you lift your hair gets me overwhelmed.

01:09:00.500 But when you smile at the ground, it ain't hard to tell.

01:09:04.520 You don't know.

01:09:06.660 You don't know you're beautiful.

01:09:09.100 So huge success.

01:09:10.520 They were put together on X Factor.

01:09:13.080 And he goes over to Argentina and dies after, the police said, jumping from a third story balcony in the hotel.

01:09:23.000 The prosecutor, prosecutor in charge is saying, may have fallen, unclear.

01:09:29.960 Drug paraphernalia reportedly found, alcohol as well.

01:09:33.760 They're not expecting a clean tox screen.

01:09:36.460 Behaving erratically beforehand.

01:09:38.100 There was a report of a smashed television.

01:09:40.180 They first called the cops saying someone's out of control and we're not sure if he's going to hurt himself.

01:09:44.380 It was too late by the time they got there.

01:09:48.820 So what do you make of his story, Maureen?

01:09:51.580 Because as I read into it, he spoke openly of battling suicidal thoughts prior to this about the massive downsides of fame.

01:10:01.560 Yeah.

01:10:02.420 How unhappy it was making him.

01:10:03.880 Yeah, he reportedly said shortly before he died, like half an hour earlier in the lobby, some fan had approached him.

01:10:12.680 He said something like, I was a child star.

01:10:15.740 I was in a boy band and that's why I'm so effed up.

01:10:18.880 The other thing I noticed about him is the sleeves of tattoos that he had.

01:10:23.580 And one of the markers, and I'm not saying this was the case with him or with anybody necessarily who has multiple tattoos covering their bodies, but it is often an indicator that that is a survivor of childhood sexual abuse.

01:10:39.480 Those tattoos are a way of reclaiming the skin, of erasing what was done to them.

01:10:46.080 And so whenever I see that, I often think, what did they maybe survive?

01:10:50.680 Wow.

01:10:51.060 The Liam thing made me think of Justin Bieber, who is also clearly struggling right now and hopefully has an incredible support system around him because whatever's going on is, you know, he's a new father.

01:11:06.800 This should be the happiest time of his life, not a time in which he is greatly struggling.

01:11:12.200 And then all of this also reminded me of, so the Lisa Marie Presley memoir is out right now.

01:11:19.520 And one of the stories that her daughter, Riley, who finished the book for her, chose to include is completely jaw-dropping and I don't understand why it's so underreported.

01:11:29.520 She writes that after her brother, Lisa Marie's son, Benjamin, committed suicide, gunshot wound to the head at a very young age.

01:11:38.020 I think he was maybe 28.

01:11:40.320 She had him embalmed and then she had him moved back into her house where she lived with him for two months.

01:11:44.960 Lisa Marie did.

01:11:45.960 Mm-hmm.

01:11:46.780 Or she lived with her son's-

01:11:48.400 Body.

01:11:48.960 Dead body.

01:11:49.720 For two months.

01:11:50.760 Oh, my God.

01:11:52.320 My theory about this, Michael, she married Michael Jackson.

01:11:57.060 She married a pedophile.

01:11:58.740 Yeah.

01:11:59.180 Who was obsessed with little boys.

01:12:00.780 Oh.

01:12:01.140 He was also obsessed with Elvis Presley and her son looked a lot like Elvis.

01:12:06.700 And I wonder if he got his hands on that little boy and that was the cause of his trauma, his drug and alcohol issues, the ultimate suicide.

01:12:17.720 And if her grief was so complicated by feeling blame, maybe, for what had happened to him.

01:12:25.900 Mm-hmm.

01:12:26.540 And that could be why.

01:12:28.320 It's just a theory, but I think it makes a lot of sense.

01:12:32.800 Who lives with their dead child's corpse for two months?

01:12:38.420 She kept him on dry ice?

01:12:40.520 Apparently.

01:12:41.400 In like a casita, in like a guest house.

01:12:44.000 And she would say that she would go in there and she would talk to him and like comfort him.

01:12:51.580 And then what finally happened apparently was she called a tattoo artist to come to the house and give her and her son matching tattoos.

01:12:59.700 Oh, my.

01:13:00.940 And then the tattoo artist says, sure.

01:13:02.920 And she comes over and Lisa Marie is like, here's my son.

01:13:06.520 And it's like right out of Psycho, you know?

01:13:08.860 Oh, my God.

01:13:09.880 I mean, truly, that's a disturbed person.

01:13:12.180 Yeah.

01:13:12.500 Lisa Marie, I mean, we know this, but I mean, even more than we knew.

01:13:16.040 Yeah.

01:13:17.060 It would take something dramatic, dramatic to drive you to that point.

01:13:21.400 I mean, loss of a child is the worst thing that could possibly happen to anybody.

01:13:25.040 And she's had a lot of loss.

01:13:26.400 She did prior to dying, you know, at a very young age with Elvis and, you know, just a tumultuous world around her.

01:13:34.000 So who knows?

01:13:35.220 This is obviously just a theory.

01:13:37.080 Just a theory.

01:13:37.700 And we don't, I mean, the truth is we don't know for sure about Michael Jackson either, but you're putting some pieces together that makes some sense.

01:13:45.300 It's dark, Maureen.

01:13:46.360 I don't know.

01:13:46.980 I, to me, it's just further affirmation.

01:13:49.020 All of this, Michael Jackson's life, Lisa Marie Presley's and her family's lives.

01:13:53.900 Liam Payne, Matthew Perry, like enormous fame at a very young age is a devil.

01:14:04.300 It's not a blessing.

01:14:05.900 It's a curse.

01:14:06.840 And it should be avoided and eschewed and protected against at all costs.

01:14:14.560 Absolutely.

01:14:15.400 I think it's the worst thing that could happen to a child.

01:14:17.440 I really do.

01:14:18.460 And it's so funny.

01:14:19.900 I was with my niece on Sunday.

01:14:21.960 She's 11.

01:14:23.060 And we were talking about a lot of these stories, the whole family, and talking about childhood fame and what wreckage it causes, the carnage it causes.

01:14:35.500 And my brother said, that's why I won't let her model.

01:14:39.100 I won't do it.

01:14:40.000 My sister-in-law said, well, what if she winds up on her traveling basketball team?

01:14:44.460 My brother's like, shows on the road.

01:14:45.980 We're not leaving her alone with anybody who is not related to her.

01:14:50.620 And I don't think most parents think that way.

01:14:53.620 And more really should.

01:14:54.800 Yeah, not until they get old enough to understand, you know, what the risks are.

01:14:58.780 You know, I mean, like 15, you can talk to a 15-year-old.

01:15:01.560 Right.

01:15:02.040 These are the risks of life.

01:15:03.700 It's not that they can't be exploited, though.

01:15:05.120 I mean, in connection with that whole Nickelodeon expose, you know, we heard some disturbing stories about young men around that age, too.

01:15:11.240 It's just that there are predators out there.

01:15:14.000 I do want to play this one soundbite we pulled.

01:15:15.940 He went on a podcast called Straight Talking.

01:15:18.920 Liam Payne did Straight Talking with Ant Middleton in 2019 and spoke a little bit about his feelings, what he was going through at that time.

01:15:27.060 For some certain circumstances, I'm quite lucky to be here still.

01:15:31.920 Which is something I've never really shared with anyone.

01:15:35.900 Explain.

01:15:36.600 Explain.

01:15:37.140 I can't go too deep into it because I don't really know how I feel about it myself.

01:15:40.420 I still haven't really made my peace with it, if I'm honest.

01:15:42.220 There's times where that level of loneliness and people getting into you every day, getting into you every day.

01:15:52.220 Like I say, just every so often, you're like, when will they send, you know, and then that's almost nearly killed me a couple of times.

01:16:00.800 As in, you've wanted to?

01:16:02.480 Yeah, when I've been in a bad place.

01:16:03.840 A hundred percent, you know, there's no point denying it.

01:16:05.960 It's definitely been on the menu a couple of times in my life.

01:16:08.800 It's so tragic.

01:16:12.740 And you just think there are so many families out there who feed their kids to the wolves in this department.

01:16:20.200 Like they want the kid to be famous.

01:16:23.480 They want the kid to be rich so that the parents can feed off of it.

01:16:27.840 Or the parents themselves feel underachieved and they want to have a second go at it through the child.

01:16:34.720 And I think that's in part how this can happen.

01:16:37.020 You know, somebody's looking to work something out through their kid.

01:16:39.520 Or even if you just have an ambitious kid who wants it in these lanes, you know, it's not like, I don't know.

01:16:45.460 I'm not sure if somebody has an amazing talent, if your kid has this amazing talent, let's say you're the mother of Whitney Houston, you're a sissy Houston.

01:16:51.420 Right.

01:16:51.660 Do you say that Whitney Houston, you can't sing?

01:16:54.200 You know, you can't do anything with that voice.

01:16:55.680 That would be a tragedy too.

01:16:57.040 A hundred percent.

01:16:57.680 I think I would just be such a helicopter in those circles.

01:17:01.880 I would never leave my child alone.

01:17:04.760 I don't know.

01:17:05.480 Well, then if it happens at age 22, you can't do that anymore.

01:17:08.820 If he wins X Factor and he gets this record deal and it's his dream, you know, am I being too naive?

01:17:15.500 Like, what do you do?

01:17:17.220 And maybe it all has to happen before that.

01:17:19.080 Maybe it's all about laying your family values in there well before they win X Factor.

01:17:23.540 You know, with Harry Styles, it's interesting because he became the breakout star.

01:17:28.180 There was a sitcom that was based on his life.

01:17:31.720 I forget the name of it.

01:17:33.040 But when he was like at peak boy band fame, he went and lived with like his agent and his wife and their kids.

01:17:42.160 And he like lived in the attic.

01:17:43.680 And they basically were like, well, you have a curfew and all of this.

01:17:46.760 And he really loved it.

01:17:47.800 Like he craved all that structure and that real family life.

01:17:51.980 He found it very grounding.

01:17:53.540 And when I look at a clip of Liam like that, I also think how isolating it must be because everybody is looking at him like he has everything you could want.

01:18:04.700 But he has looks, he has fame, he has money, he has talent.

01:18:09.100 And inside he feels empty.

01:18:11.200 And how many people are really going to understand that?

01:18:14.200 It almost compounds the pain in a way.

01:18:17.000 That's right.

01:18:17.380 Right.

01:18:17.540 Because people look at you like you can't have any problems.

01:18:19.480 What are you talking about?

01:18:20.160 There was something I, my team gave me this in preparation that, yeah.

01:18:26.600 He said in 2021, he blamed a pills and booze phase for bloating his face to 10 times its size while also revealing he used to guzzle the contents of his minibar when band, um, when the band would check into hotels.

01:18:43.980 It's wild, but it was like the only way you could get frustration out during the day.

01:18:48.900 He said, um, just talking about the level of loneliness that he would go through.

01:18:53.780 So it, he had multiple problems with women, even though a great looking guy, very successful, you know, but tumultuous relationships with people.

01:19:02.120 I don't know.

01:19:03.100 I guess I'm kind of answering my own question, but I feel like Dr. Leonard Sachs, who's a parenting expert and not just one of these woo-woo guys.

01:19:10.780 He's like actually only deals in longitudinal long-term studies that give us real data on what works with kids and what doesn't.

01:19:18.440 So he always says more time with the family, more time with the family, more time with the family, more dinners together around the dinner table at night with the family.

01:19:28.420 Don't obsess about friend time.

01:19:29.840 There will be plenty of that when they are older and more mature.

01:19:32.540 When they go off to college, you're not going to be around.

01:19:34.780 Your time from zero to 18 when they are still in your house is your time to make your moral, ethical, and loving imprint.

01:19:41.060 And build the character that he or she is going to need to go out into whatever profession they choose.

01:19:46.680 And anything before that, you are playing with fire.

01:19:50.560 And there is nothing like a child knowing that their parents don't just love them, but they like them.

01:19:58.340 And they want their company and they enjoy spending time with them.

01:20:02.200 There's nothing like it.

01:20:03.680 And I feel, Liam, I don't know much about his early life, but I can guarantee he probably had stage parents.

01:20:11.420 And the way that you get the love of a stage parent is you earn it by performing and getting rich and famous.

01:20:18.820 And that is a very lonely place to be.

01:20:23.280 God rest him.

01:20:24.200 31 years old.

01:20:25.100 That's way too young to be gone.

01:20:26.700 And let's hope we don't see a pattern of this because, you know, too often in the wake of, especially when someone dies by suicide, which this may or may not have been, you see a pattern.

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.300 So, I don't know.

01:20:38.840 It's like it's a wonderful time of year.

01:20:41.180 We're stressed out slightly by this election.

01:20:43.720 This is dark news.

01:20:44.640 We're discussing, I mean, both of our last two stories, this Doug Emhoff allegedly definitely cheating on the nanny and then slapping the woman.

01:20:51.440 And now this is terrible.

01:20:52.320 But the truth is, if you zoom out, it's October.

01:20:57.120 It's truly the most beautiful time of year.

01:20:59.500 We have one of the biggest blessings one can have, which is we're American and we were born in this country.

01:21:04.540 And we're going to walk outside and the leaves are going to be blowing and they're still on the trees.

01:21:07.800 They're starting to change color.

01:21:09.320 And we're free and we can say what we want for the most part still here in America.

01:21:14.840 And we are always working on ourselves.

01:21:16.540 I think that is a good thing about America is that we're always working on ourselves as Americans and as individuals.

01:21:22.300 You know, it comes from a good place of just having that American dream.

01:21:24.740 I can improve my life.

01:21:25.780 I can improve my fortune.

01:21:27.460 So, those are things to feel good about right now, now through November 5th.

01:21:31.660 I do.

01:21:32.200 I have a lot of hopes and goals and ambitions about applying my work ethic to continue to engage in the opportunity economy.

01:21:41.960 But I'd like to get off my talking points, Megan.

01:21:44.460 So, thanks for having me conversationally.

01:21:46.640 I very much hope you can be unburdened by what has been working.

01:21:48.820 Thank you.

01:21:49.240 I try.

01:21:49.700 It's a pleasure, as always.

01:21:51.020 As always.

01:21:51.820 Thank you.

01:21:52.280 Thank you.

01:21:52.920 She's the greatest.

01:21:54.380 Okay, coming up, we actually have a very interesting guest.

01:21:56.740 This is the guy who could get an Ohio Senate seat, a U.S. Senate seat from the state of Ohio, out of Democrat control.

01:22:06.020 His name is Bernie Moreno, and he's here next.

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01:23:06.340 Well, perhaps no contest outside of Trump v. Harris is more important to the overall national picture than the battle for Ohio's U.S. Senate seat.

01:23:19.560 The result could very well tip the balance of power.

01:23:22.760 Hundreds of millions of dollars have poured into both campaigns, and the polls show it may be the only true toss-up there is.

01:23:32.920 My next guest is Bernie Moreno.

01:23:35.900 He is looking to unseat career politician and Democrat, Sherrod Brown.

01:23:41.660 Bernie, welcome to the show.

01:23:43.440 Thank you for having me, Megan.

01:23:44.620 I look forward to the conversation.

01:23:46.380 Big fan.

01:23:47.140 My wife's an even bigger fan.

01:23:49.340 Oh, she sounds like a good person.

01:23:50.720 Tell her I said hello.

01:23:52.320 All right, so walk me through how you're going to do this, because I told the audience when I was teasing the fact that you were coming on.

01:23:58.020 This is what I see in the polls.

01:23:59.440 September 18th, Sherrod Brown up four.

01:24:04.280 These are random polls.

01:24:05.280 New York Times, Marist, and Washington Post, and so on.

01:24:07.520 So that's a September 18th.

01:24:08.820 September 21, Brown was up four.

01:24:11.480 September or October 3rd, Brown was up two.

01:24:15.120 Oh, October 3rd, Brown is up one.

01:24:19.700 It seems to be going in the right direction for you.

01:24:23.340 So he was up, he's been up at all these polls, but it's getting tighter and tighter, and I see it's getting tighter right at the right time for you.

01:24:30.840 But how do you get it to Moreno up two?

01:24:35.460 Well, so we have a couple polls that have us up one or three.

01:24:38.960 The reality is he was up 11 back in March when the primary was over.

01:24:43.000 We had one of the most expensive Senate primaries in the country, a brutal primary.

01:24:47.500 I was up against two formidable opponents.

01:24:49.520 You've got to remember, Sherrod Brown's been around for 50 years, 30 years in Washington, D.C.

01:24:53.560 This guy set all kinds of fundraising records.

01:24:56.100 He's well known throughout the state.

01:24:57.800 When I launched my campaign, my name ID was 4% with a 4% margin of error.

01:25:02.800 So literally nobody in Ohio knew who I was.

01:25:05.880 So we've worked really hard.

01:25:07.680 We've gone to every corner of the state.

01:25:09.400 We're now advertising at the right time.

01:25:11.580 We're pointing out his extraordinarily liberal voting record, and that combined with hard work

01:25:17.760 and parity on spending, we're going to make certain that we beat him, and we'll beat him

01:25:22.280 by a decent number because none of those polls, Megan, have him up over 46 or 47%.

01:25:27.080 What are Ohioans doing voting for a Democrat like Sherrod Brown?

01:25:34.540 Truly, Ohio's red now.

01:25:36.000 It's no longer a swing state.

01:25:37.100 It's like Florida.

01:25:37.880 So how did that happen?

01:25:39.440 Well, the same way Kamala Harris has convinced a little less than half the country to vote for her.

01:25:44.980 They just lie about who they are.

01:25:46.740 Sherrod Brown goes to Washington, D.C., votes with the far radical left.

01:25:50.740 He's out there with Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris when she was there, Bernie Sanders.

01:25:55.300 But when he gets to Ohio, he becomes a Trump-loving moderate Democrat.

01:25:59.660 And the media in Ohio covers for him.

01:26:01.760 His wife works for the Ohio media.

01:26:03.920 So if you watch his TV commercials, Megan, you think this guy's kind of a Republican.

01:26:08.000 So he just lies.

01:26:09.120 It's good old-fashioned fraud.

01:26:10.880 But we're exposing it by highlighting his voting record, showing how extreme he is.

01:26:15.480 And that's how we're going to win this race.

01:26:17.880 Okay.

01:26:18.340 Now, as I understand it, you have a very interesting family background, right?

01:26:23.060 You were not born in this country.

01:26:26.680 I was not.

01:26:27.260 I was born in Columbia, South America.

01:26:28.740 I'm the youngest of seven kids.

01:26:30.520 My dad was one of 11.

01:26:31.960 My grandfather was one of 23.

01:26:33.740 So we're over-performing Catholics.

01:26:36.020 But we got to this country when I was a kid, became a citizen, the first opportunity I could,

01:26:41.020 which is why I'm disgusted by this illegal immigration situation,

01:26:45.300 like all immigrants that have come to this country legally.

01:26:47.940 How do you, like, is it true your dad was a surgeon in Columbia and then in an effort to

01:26:56.320 give you a better life and a different way of upbringing, you guys moved here and he then was

01:27:01.520 a surgical assistant given the difference.

01:27:04.040 I mean, like he humbled himself, it sounds, to get you guys here.

01:27:08.500 Yeah.

01:27:08.960 I mean, he went from being actually the secretary of health.

01:27:11.420 He had been the dean of the medical school.

01:27:13.980 He had a great life, came from a very prominent family.

01:27:16.860 My mom and dad moved here, nine of us into a two-bedroom apartment with a den, two bathrooms.

01:27:24.960 My dad was making $5.25 an hour.

01:27:27.980 I watched him do rounds in the middle of the night.

01:27:30.540 But he did it because my mom and dad knew that this was the best place on earth where the seven

01:27:36.060 of us could live whatever American dream we wanted to make for ourselves.

01:27:40.380 And we have.

01:27:41.420 And, Megan, that's why I'm running for office.

01:27:43.020 I want this country to be better for my kids and my grandkids and your kids and your grandkids.

01:27:48.080 And right now, because of these career politicians, we're about to head off a cliff.

01:27:52.140 Right.

01:27:52.660 So you're not a career politician.

01:27:53.840 You started with one car dealership, as I understand it, Mercedes-Benz.

01:27:58.200 And you, I guess, unlike yours truly, have had a lifetime interest in cars.

01:28:03.260 Because I understand at a very young age, you wrote a letter to General Motors on how

01:28:07.440 they could improve their cars or the automobile industry.

01:28:10.700 I was 14 years old.

01:28:12.340 And you know, because you have young kids, every 14-year-old, they know everything.

01:28:16.560 So I wrote Roger Smith, who was the chairman of the board of General Motors at the time,

01:28:20.240 a letter telling him how to fix GM.

01:28:22.100 He actually responded with a three-page letter.

01:28:24.200 I ended up going to work for General Motors, did that.

01:28:27.640 That's where my wife and I met, was in college.

01:28:30.360 We both worked for General Motors.

01:28:32.200 I thought I'd be there forever.

01:28:33.840 I met a guy in Boston who was a car dealer, had started buying car dealerships in his 50s.

01:28:39.020 He asked me to run one of his dealerships.

01:28:41.440 I'd never even worked in a car dealership in my life.

01:28:44.060 Gave me that opportunity, made it a successful store.

01:28:47.760 He grew from six dealerships to 55.

01:28:49.960 I learned a lot.

01:28:51.560 Gentleman's name is Herb Chambers.

01:28:52.720 He taught me everything I know about sales.

01:28:55.140 He taught me everything I know about the auto industry.

01:28:57.420 And then Roger Penske called me 20 years ago and said,

01:29:01.300 hey, he's got this little dealership in Cleveland.

01:29:03.100 He wanted me to buy it.

01:29:04.240 Little technicality, Megan.

01:29:05.760 I didn't have the money to buy it.

01:29:07.280 So I sold every possession I had in my life, took out the biggest loan I possibly could,

01:29:11.480 maxed out my credit cards, bought this little dealership,

01:29:14.400 and turned it into one of the largest dealer groups, 15 dealerships in the country.

01:29:19.240 Wow.

01:29:19.640 All right.

01:29:20.080 So then why politics?

01:29:22.260 Sounds like you had a great life.

01:29:24.380 Well, after I sold my car dealerships, I started a technology company using blockchain to make car titles digital.

01:29:31.020 We sold software to state governments.

01:29:33.000 And the reason I'm running for office is very simple, Megan.

01:29:34.920 If the business people, the business people of this country don't step up to serve,

01:29:40.040 and we continue to allow these career politicians who have no idea how anything works to go there and run our government,

01:29:47.380 what are we going to get?

01:29:48.560 $36 trillion in debt, endless wars, open borders, a mess in our communities, a mess in our schools.

01:29:54.780 So we have to step up and serve.

01:29:57.060 Look, my wife, like I said earlier, I have the greatest wife on earth.

01:29:59.980 I married her 35 years ago.

01:30:01.860 I truly hit the lottery.

01:30:03.500 She is with me 100% on this campaign.

01:30:07.140 She's been with me every step of the way.

01:30:09.180 She's going to be with me for two terms, though, Megan.

01:30:11.420 Any talk of a third term is with a second wife.

01:30:14.100 So this is going to be two terms.

01:30:15.240 I'm going to go to D.C. and serve and then come home.

01:30:17.440 So that's nice to hear, truly, because what we get is these career politicians who then are more connected to the system

01:30:24.060 than they are to their constituents back home, and we've seen that fail many, many times.

01:30:29.360 Let me ask you about some of the things that are in the news.

01:30:32.100 There's a comment that you made that was caught on camera that they're giving you some jazz for,

01:30:35.940 including our friend Rachel Maddow.

01:30:37.460 She's very upset with you.

01:30:39.540 Here is what you said.

01:30:40.740 It was about abortion.

01:30:42.480 I'm sure you've heard this many times now.

01:30:43.960 It's SOT30.

01:30:44.440 There's a lot of suburban women.

01:30:47.540 A lot of suburban women that are like, listen, abortion's in.

01:30:50.940 If I can't have an abortion in this country whenever I want, I will vote for anybody else.

01:30:56.020 Okay.

01:30:56.420 A little crazy, by the way.

01:30:58.100 But especially for women that are like past 50, I think it was something.

01:31:03.280 It's an issue for you.

01:31:06.180 Oh, thank God.

01:31:07.080 I didn't hear that one.

01:31:07.960 Okay.

01:31:08.360 Okay, so up until the 50-year-old part, what you said is true, right?

01:31:16.220 And then it sounded to me like it was a joke.

01:31:18.840 I think I'm going to assume you are aware that women past 50 might care about abortion.

01:31:24.420 But why did this blow up so badly?

01:31:27.560 Like, was it your opponent?

01:31:28.620 Yeah, I mean, as you know, Megan, the left and the media have an outrage machine, which

01:31:34.680 is geared up to really go.

01:31:36.780 You know, when you wake up every day in this country yearning to be offended, you're probably

01:31:41.280 going to be offended.

01:31:42.460 Look, it was obviously a quip.

01:31:44.300 Certainly, there's all of us that make comments periodically that we don't probably think

01:31:48.920 were said the right way.

01:31:50.640 The point, though, I was trying to make is crystal clear.

01:31:52.800 It is crazy that the media and the Democrats think that women are single-issue voters.

01:31:58.180 Look, my wife's number one issue is she wants peace and stability around the world.

01:32:02.660 She doesn't want my two boys going to fight a war.

01:32:05.240 She doesn't want my grandkids to have to fight some endless war.

01:32:09.500 So she cares a lot about that.

01:32:11.200 There's people who care a lot about the price of groceries, the price of food, the price

01:32:15.320 of insurance, an open border, our schools that are failing.

01:32:18.920 So this idea that abortion is the only issue that women care about is insulting to women.

01:32:24.780 And by the way, men playing in women's sports is an abomination.

01:32:28.540 I have two daughters also, two granddaughters.

01:32:31.000 That's just crazy.

01:32:32.360 And mutilating children?

01:32:33.660 No, that's not going to be allowed in this country.

01:32:35.980 And those are things that women and men both care about.

01:32:40.240 I'll show you the mad out comments so you can see what's being done with the comments.

01:32:45.660 Oh, thank God my wife didn't hear that one.

01:32:48.920 A little crazy, by the way, but especially for women that are like past 50, I'm thinking

01:32:54.820 to myself, I don't think that's an issue for you.

01:32:58.920 He actually says it.

01:33:00.740 I'm thinking to myself, I don't think that's an issue for you.

01:33:04.900 Wow.

01:33:06.240 You know, unluckily for Bernie Marino in Ohio, running against Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown,

01:33:11.220 women in Ohio, even women over 50, apparently do still have the right to vote.

01:33:16.300 Even if he doesn't think they have a right to an opinion.

01:33:22.420 Good luck, sir.

01:33:24.900 Amazing.

01:33:25.300 Oh, Lord.

01:33:29.220 It wasn't just Rachel, Matt.

01:33:30.900 I do want to tell the audience, Nikki Haley felt the need to weigh in saying, are you trying

01:33:35.400 to lose this election?

01:33:36.540 Asking for a friend.

01:33:37.800 Hashtag tone deaf.

01:33:39.120 Hashtag Don Lemon vibes.

01:33:41.800 What do you make of that?

01:33:42.320 I don't know.

01:33:43.400 What are you going to do?

01:33:44.560 Listen, like I said, if you wake up every day in America waiting to be insulted or outraged,

01:33:50.160 it's a pretty sad life.

01:33:51.780 Look, I hope people understand that sometimes quips are made, sometimes they land, sometimes

01:33:56.800 they don't.

01:33:57.300 But, Megan, look, the point is right, which is we've got to get the country together on

01:34:01.800 this very divisive topic of abortion.

01:34:04.040 It is a terrible situation for a woman to find themselves in.

01:34:07.260 So the question becomes, what can we do?

01:34:09.680 Now, I'm pro-life, and I'm not going to apologize for that.

01:34:11.940 But what I can do as a senator is make certain that adoption is less expensive, raising a child

01:34:16.880 is less expensive, having a child is less expensive, making sure that women have access

01:34:21.660 to good health care, making certain that women have equal access to contraception.

01:34:26.480 We can fund pregnancy centers.

01:34:28.480 That's my recipe.

01:34:30.180 That's my prescription for policy.

01:34:31.860 My opponent, by the way, Megan, partial birth abortions are okay.

01:34:35.220 Federal funding for abortions is okay.

01:34:36.820 He voted against the Infant Born Alive Protection Act, which is a botched late-term abortion.

01:34:42.360 The baby can't be given life-saving care.

01:34:44.320 He's the extremist.

01:34:45.180 I'm not.

01:34:45.920 But again, the outrage machine is geared up and ready to go at the call of notice for

01:34:51.240 the Democrats.

01:34:52.360 Now, because the country is turning more Republican right now than Democrat, if you look at the

01:34:58.600 overall polls for the first time, I think, in Gallup in decades, we're more Republican

01:35:02.460 than we are Dem.

01:35:03.120 You're seeing people like your opponent try to, if not cozy up to Trump, cozy up to his

01:35:09.520 policies.

01:35:10.480 They're running from their previous stances on things like the trans issue with boys playing

01:35:16.960 against girls in sports.

01:35:18.600 And your opponent wants us to believe that he's not in favor of that, even though virtually

01:35:24.700 every Democrat in the country has voted in favor of that.

01:35:28.940 Where do you stand and where does he stand on that issue?

01:35:33.120 Well, my position is crystal clear.

01:35:35.040 You're born a man or you're born a woman.

01:35:36.860 You're not going to have men playing in women's sports because that's insane.

01:35:40.840 I was with Riley Gaines.

01:35:42.040 She went through detail.

01:35:43.000 I don't have to explain it to you.

01:35:43.980 You've heard Riley many times.

01:35:45.460 That story's awful.

01:35:47.080 Then you look at mutilating children.

01:35:48.980 That shouldn't even be a conversation.

01:35:50.980 Leave our kids alone.

01:35:52.380 That's where I believe.

01:35:53.180 My opponent voted against a bill that Tommy Tuberville put forward that said we were not

01:35:58.280 going to provide federal funding for schools that allowed men to play in women's sports.

01:36:02.780 He voted against that.

01:36:03.840 That means he's in favor of it.

01:36:05.240 He also said that it's up to the parents and the doctors as to whether children should get

01:36:09.780 puberty blockers or, quote unquote, gender affirming care, which is code for mutilating

01:36:14.520 them for life.

01:36:15.380 They can't consent.

01:36:16.620 It should never be allowed.

01:36:18.020 And my opponent feels that way.

01:36:19.540 That's how liberal he is, Megan.

01:36:21.100 That doesn't represent the values of Ohio.

01:36:24.240 It barely represents the values of Massachusetts and California, but we already have four terrible

01:36:30.460 senators between those two states.

01:36:32.640 We don't need a fifth one.

01:36:34.040 That's why I need somebody who actually represents Ohio values.

01:36:37.040 That's what I'm going to be in the United States Senate.

01:36:39.540 As it has in Michigan, in Wisconsin, and in Texas, this trans issue with boys trying to

01:36:46.180 play in girls sports has reared its head and has become a major theme line.

01:36:51.100 In all of these big races, I know you attacked him on this issue via an ad, and here is

01:36:56.520 his response.

01:36:59.240 What if I told you all of this was a lie, a complete lie, and Bernie Moreno knows it.

01:37:07.880 The truth is, in Ohio, this has already been banned, and Sherrod Brown agrees with Governor

01:37:13.720 DeWine.

01:37:14.240 These decisions should be made by local sports leagues, not politicians.

01:37:18.800 We can verify.

01:37:20.160 The claim that Brown voted to let transgender biological men participate in women's sports

01:37:24.960 is false.

01:37:26.040 I'm Sherrod Brown and I approve this message.

01:37:29.920 How do you respond to that?

01:37:31.580 Well, let's start with fact three.

01:37:33.800 That reporter journalist is a hack that basically works for the Democrat Party on a local TV station,

01:37:40.100 so of course she's going to do their bidding.

01:37:42.700 The other fact, fact two, which is that he agrees with Governor DeWine that it should

01:37:47.980 be up to sports leagues.

01:37:48.900 No, it should not be up to sports leagues.

01:37:51.200 Men can't play in women's sports, period.

01:37:53.480 You protect Title IX.

01:37:55.000 In terms of fact one, which is that it's illegal in Ohio, that is true, and he was opposed to

01:38:00.240 it being illegal in Ohio.

01:38:01.660 In fact, now what's happened is GLAAD, the uber-left progressive group is now attacking

01:38:08.760 him for not standing up for their community.

01:38:11.360 So he's a total fraud.

01:38:13.000 So can you talk to me a bit about ground game?

01:38:15.680 Because I think many Republicans are very worried about this.

01:38:19.300 It just seems like the Democrats have this blue chip operation ever since Obama, and the

01:38:23.840 Republicans have been playing catch up.

01:38:26.120 How have you prepared to win in the state of Ohio?

01:38:29.800 That's a great question.

01:38:30.800 I remember the business I was in, which is the retail automotive business.

01:38:34.100 We brought those practices to bear.

01:38:36.040 So we knew we were going to be outgunned on TV in the summer.

01:38:39.280 So Megan, what we did is we built the largest door-knocking operation in Ohio history with

01:38:44.100 the help of Libre, Americans for Prosperity, Sentinel Fund, and Susan B. Anthony.

01:38:48.740 We're knocking on 150,000 doors a week in every corner of the state.

01:38:54.000 We've got an incredible digital program, text messaging, and also direct mail.

01:38:58.500 So we went out and targeted hyper-targeted voters who are maybe apathetic, don't always

01:39:03.540 vote, but are conservative, people who we know support President Trump, but only vote

01:39:08.720 for him and don't vote down ticket.

01:39:10.640 And then, of course, the third one, the person that would vote for President Trump and then

01:39:14.140 possibly vote for Sherrod Brown.

01:39:15.580 So we hyper-targeted that.

01:39:17.660 That's how we went from down 11 to down 5 without any money on TV.

01:39:22.580 And we hope to keep this ground game in place and move it for future elections.

01:39:27.520 And we've got a great absentee voting and early voting initiative.

01:39:30.960 So we're actually tied right now with the Democrats in early voting.

01:39:34.300 And we think that's going to make a huge difference in this election.

01:39:36.740 Do you think Republicans are listening?

01:39:38.900 Because Trump just started saying, vote and vote early.

01:39:43.680 He ironically was late to the vote early party.

01:39:46.660 And I know this is very frustrating for people who are canvassing for him and probably people

01:39:51.260 like you too, but you really are seeing the voters do it.

01:39:56.380 Oh, yeah.

01:39:56.700 In fact, I'll give you a stat that'll blow your mind.

01:39:58.640 The five largest Republican counties are all ahead in early voting versus in 2020.

01:40:05.120 And the five largest Democrat counties are all down in early voting.

01:40:10.100 If that trend continues, and right now our internals have us tied, Sherrod and I, in terms

01:40:15.600 of early voting, we'll crush them on Election Day.

01:40:18.700 Look, what we tell people, Megan, is very simple.

01:40:21.140 Vote 11 times.

01:40:22.460 And what that means is vote yourself and then bring 10 people, physically bring 10 people

01:40:28.060 to early voting stations between now and Election Day.

01:40:31.940 So we're going to close that gap because once they vote, we don't have to knock on our door.

01:40:36.360 We don't have to call.

01:40:37.100 We don't have to text them.

01:40:38.180 And we don't have to email.

01:40:39.100 That saves us a fortune.

01:40:40.280 So we're actually giving objectives to counties.

01:40:42.680 We're talking to county chairman about what they can do.

01:40:45.220 And I go to every corner of the state with this exact message.

01:40:48.240 And it's actually really working.

01:40:49.960 Your seat really could determine the balance of power in the Senate because the Republicans

01:40:58.080 are going to win West Virginia.

01:40:59.360 So that's one pickup that gets them to 50-50.

01:41:02.960 But to get, you know, true control, they need one more.

01:41:05.840 And so far, they've been looking at Montana as their best chance to get control.

01:41:10.240 And that still seems likely, though not guaranteed.

01:41:12.940 However, they're becoming a little wobbly in Nebraska and even in Texas.

01:41:21.740 And so that makes your race, I'm just talking numbers here with all due respect to you,

01:41:26.520 but that makes your race even more important because they'd love to have the cushion just

01:41:33.600 in case one of these other races goes soft.

01:41:36.040 How is all of this discussed and accounted for behind the scenes when you talk to, you

01:41:39.840 know, the National Senatorial Committee?

01:41:42.940 Well, I make it very crystal clear to everybody that Tim Sheehy is a great candidate, a great

01:41:47.380 guy, but he's number 52.

01:41:49.440 His polls don't close until 10 o'clock Eastern.

01:41:52.180 My polls close at 7.30.

01:41:54.460 And if we do the job right and we get early voting, I can have this race called by 8 p.m.

01:42:00.260 Eastern time, Megan, so that the whole world can go, whew, we got the Senate.

01:42:05.100 That's what I hope happens.

01:42:06.460 So I'm 51, Sheehy's 52, and maybe Hovdi and some others are 53 and 54.

01:42:11.620 Or we're going to win big, and we have to.

01:42:14.060 We have to win big because we have to send a message to the world that America is not

01:42:18.560 going to go down the drain.

01:42:19.840 We're not going to destroy our constitutional republic.

01:42:22.900 That we're going to embrace American ideals.

01:42:25.940 This is not Republican versus Democrat.

01:42:27.900 This is common sense versus lunacy.

01:42:30.760 And so it's important that we have a huge resounding victory.

01:42:33.600 Well, the other thing is, she really could win this presidential race.

01:42:38.760 I mean, it really could go either way.

01:42:41.160 And there are multiple reports that the Democrats could win the House.

01:42:45.860 You know, if you were putting odds on it, you would put odds on the Republicans to take

01:42:49.060 the Senate.

01:42:49.680 And the House is more of a toss up this go around.

01:42:53.480 And so people like you, I mean, it's just a handful of people who could be the difference

01:43:00.660 between Kamala Harris getting potentially to enact her entire agenda, whatever it turns

01:43:06.340 out to be.

01:43:06.760 We'll find out, I guess, once she's elected, if she is and not.

01:43:10.120 I mean, if you get to the Senate, what do you plan to do if we have a Democrat-controlled

01:43:15.600 House and a Democrat in the White House?

01:43:17.520 As Nancy Reagan would say, just say no, right?

01:43:21.480 Say no to lunatics in the cabinet, lunatic in administrative offices, lunatics in the

01:43:26.240 judiciary, lunatic ambassadors.

01:43:28.580 Look, it would be a battle.

01:43:30.280 Let's not do that.

01:43:31.720 Let's make certain that we elect Donald J. Trump and my close friend and Ohio Senator

01:43:36.440 J.D. Vance.

01:43:37.480 Look, there's no comparison in this election.

01:43:39.700 You got people who are objectively just not even qualified to do any job versus two people

01:43:44.760 who will rebuild American greatness.

01:43:47.080 So we're going to get President Trump in there.

01:43:49.100 We're going to keep the House.

01:43:50.440 We're going to win the Senate.

01:43:51.640 And we're going to restore America because the world needs that, Megan.

01:43:54.540 The world's watching this election.

01:43:56.460 China's telling leaders all over the world that America's in decline, that we're arguing

01:44:01.100 about men are men or women are women.

01:44:03.660 They're laughing at us, Megan.

01:44:05.060 And we need to show them that America is back and America is going to be strong.

01:44:09.960 Bernie, you mentioned J.D. Vance.

01:44:11.980 And J.D. Vance said some terrible things about Trump back in 16 and beyond because he didn't

01:44:19.220 much like him at first.

01:44:20.500 And then he's since said, I came around on him.

01:44:23.280 You know, I was wrong.

01:44:24.620 I got to know him better and so on.

01:44:26.460 You're kind of in that boat.

01:44:27.720 You reported, according to NBC, you called Trump a lunatic and a maniac in 2016 compared

01:44:33.620 him to Hitler, allegedly on social media.

01:44:36.740 So for the audience out there that might be closer to where you were in 16, right, when

01:44:44.040 it comes to Trump, what's your messaging?

01:44:46.660 Like what what changed your mind and why do you feel comfortable with him now?

01:44:50.720 Well, first of all, I bought into the media there it is that he was a bad person.

01:44:55.260 That's number one.

01:44:56.640 And what I've learned by getting to know him personally, Megan, he's a very good person.

01:45:00.720 He's a good dad.

01:45:01.980 He's got great kids.

01:45:03.280 He's genuinely a warm human being.

01:45:05.640 That's the story that's not really told.

01:45:08.100 You know, if you got to know President Trump, you would know he's a good man.

01:45:11.320 So back in 2015, you know, almost a decade ago, I didn't know him, got to know him, completely

01:45:16.840 changed my mind.

01:45:17.580 Secondly, for the people who won't get to know him on a personal level, look at what

01:45:21.500 the man did when he was the president of the United States.

01:45:23.940 We had low inflation, secure border, peace around the world.

01:45:28.580 We had energy independence for the first time in 75 years.

01:45:32.040 We had real wages going up for Hispanics, for blacks, for women.

01:45:35.560 So look at his track record.

01:45:37.420 And for those people that buy into the CNN and Rachel Maddow narrative of an assault to

01:45:42.820 democracy, he didn't assault democracy.

01:45:45.200 In fact, he honored democracy.

01:45:46.540 He could have gone after his political opponents.

01:45:48.960 Guess what?

01:45:49.460 He didn't.

01:45:50.580 Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did.

01:45:52.600 So this is a clear choice between a media-driven narrative around a man that they used to adore,

01:45:58.200 by the way.

01:45:59.100 I look at him last night in the Al Smith dinner.

01:46:02.660 I mean, the guy is just a good human being.

01:46:05.000 He's funny.

01:46:06.000 He's warm.

01:46:07.000 And he loves this country, unlike any other person I've ever met.

01:46:11.400 It's what inspires me to fight hard to go into the United States Senate.

01:46:15.480 Because for business people, this isn't the natural thing to do, by the way, Megan.

01:46:18.960 This is not what we expect to do, to put ourselves out there in the line stand, but we do.

01:46:23.620 No, and it's hard.

01:46:24.620 I was recently talking with a U.S. senator who was saying that the job is fulfilling, but not joyful, that the person didn't feel happy with this lifestyle or all the stuff that comes with it, but felt fulfilled.

01:46:39.920 I think that's reasonable.

01:46:41.920 There is a noticeable downside to going from the private sector into the public sector.

01:46:47.120 But, you know, I'm thinking about the whole time we're talking how it's very hard to get people to fire an incumbent.

01:46:52.860 You know, they just know.

01:46:53.740 They're like, oh, Sherrod Brown, Sherrod Brown.

01:46:55.120 Yeah, he's with Ohio.

01:46:56.080 Yeah, he's done good things.

01:46:56.920 He's risen to powerful posts.

01:46:58.480 That's good for Ohio.

01:46:59.620 I'm just going to vote for him.

01:47:00.440 I know this from being in New York.

01:47:02.040 This is how we looked at all these, you know, lifelong senators who stayed here.

01:47:04.860 Um, but, but I look at your name and I'm thinking about what you just said.

01:47:11.980 Moreno on paper is more.

01:47:14.500 No.

01:47:15.040 And I think if Kamala Harris wins the White House and the Dems win back the House, we're going to want more.

01:47:21.180 No from the Senate.

01:47:22.600 It's going to be actually really important to everyone who is in the center or right of center to have more.

01:47:28.000 No in there.

01:47:29.500 And, um, you should do something with that.

01:47:31.480 You're well, you got that free of charge.

01:47:32.740 Well, by the way, Moreno is Brown in Spanish in the ultimate irony.

01:47:39.000 Uh, but the other piece of it is the voters of Ohio get to fire Sherrod Brown.

01:47:43.940 That's their job.

01:47:45.540 My job will be so great, Megan.

01:47:48.060 I get to fire Chuck Schumer and I've picked out a beautiful basement office for him.

01:47:52.520 It's going to be amazing.

01:47:53.440 No windows, no water.

01:47:54.880 That's, that's what I get to do by electing me.

01:47:57.960 I get to go there and say this year at this Chuck Schumer, you're fired.

01:48:01.380 Go.

01:48:01.680 And we get to elect a great majority leader and we've got some great candidates running.

01:48:06.440 So, look, I'm super optimistic, Megan.

01:48:08.440 I think the best years of this country are ahead of us.

01:48:11.040 I look at your kids.

01:48:12.000 We met, you may have forgotten, we met a long time ago and you met my kids.

01:48:16.300 Our country is going to be great for them, Megan.

01:48:18.900 That's what this election is ultimately about.

01:48:20.740 They get to live in a better country than we did because we fought hard over the next 18 days to ensure that that happens.

01:48:27.340 Oh, well, it's always right down to the wire.

01:48:30.220 We are going to be watching.

01:48:31.440 We'll watch it very closely.

01:48:33.000 Thank you.

01:48:33.480 Thanks so much.

01:48:34.180 We appreciate you being here.

01:48:35.620 Thank you.

01:48:37.620 Bernie Moreno, everyone.

01:48:39.360 Race of his life.

01:48:40.500 It's a really important one in the great state of Ohio where Canadian Debbie is from.

01:48:45.360 And she fell in love with a damn Canadian and moved to damn Canada.

01:48:50.060 Our evil top hat.

01:48:51.900 Anywho, thank you all for joining us today.

01:48:55.680 And all week we're back on Monday with what I'm sure will be an overflow of news as we're now in the last couple of weeks.

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01:49:04.680 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 18, 2024

Trump Roasts Kamala and Walz at Al Smith Dinner, and Why 2024 Matters, with Maureen Callahan and Bernie Moreno ｜ Ep. 921

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