The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Abortion Strategy, and Allegations Against Russell Brand, with David Sacks, Will Witt, and Savanah Hernandez

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00:00:33.520 versus Trump when it comes to independence. While the seemingly coordinated shots against the

00:00:40.920 president continue from the mainstream press, it's getting very interesting. What are they up to?

00:00:47.440 Have they realized he can't win? Is that where they are? Is that why we continue to see

00:00:52.080 hit piece after hit piece from a press that has been nothing but adoring

00:00:55.720 toward this president? Meantime, Trump is being hammered from the right

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00:02:00.900 Good to be here, Megan. Thank you.

00:02:03.120 Okay, so the flack coming Donald Trump's way is coming from the right, from conservatives who are

00:02:10.560 sort of building a steam now about his comments lately on social issues. We'll play what he said

00:02:17.040 to me in just a second on a couple of the issues, but I'll start with the most recent news he made

00:02:21.040 when he sat down with Kristen Welker, who's the new moderator of Meet the Press. Chuck Todd's out.

00:02:25.660 She's in. And she asked him about abortion and tried to sort of tee it up as, you know, isn't it

00:02:33.960 terrible what some states are doing, uh, banning abortion or setting these six week limits. And

00:02:39.800 they got into a lengthy exchange. We're going to talk about a couple of pieces of it, but here's

00:02:43.260 the first one where, uh, his substantive comments on where he'd like the line to be and what he would

00:02:47.700 do as president have gotten him some pushback. If a federal ban landed on your desk, if you were

00:02:56.400 reelected, would you sign it at 15? Are you talking about a complete ban?

00:03:00.700 A ban at 15 weeks? Well, people, people are starting to think of 15 weeks. That seems to

00:03:07.200 be a number that people are talking about right now. Would you sign that? I would, I would sit

00:03:11.640 down with both sides and I'd negotiate something and we'll end up with peace on that issue for the

00:03:17.580 first time in 52 years. Uh, I'm not going to say I would or I wouldn't. I mean, DeSanct is willing

00:03:23.300 to sign a five week and six week ban. Would you support that? You think that goes too far?

00:03:27.000 I think what he did is a terrible thing and a terrible mistake, but we'll come up with a number,

00:03:31.740 but at the same time, Democrats won't be able to go out in six months, seven months, eight months and

00:03:36.860 allow an abortion. Both sides are going to come together and both sides, both sides. And this is a big

00:03:42.820 statement. Both sides will come together. And for the first time in 52 years, you'll have an issue

00:03:48.720 that we can put behind us at the federal level. Uh, it could be state or it could be federal. I don't

00:03:53.800 frankly care. David, this reminds me of, um, it reminds me of this comedian who we used to go to

00:04:02.040 see. He's great. He's at the comedy center. His name is Dove Davidson. And the guy used to say,

00:04:06.280 I don't know what it is about Trump. You know, I'd listen to it. I'm like, yeah, okay. But he says,

00:04:10.180 we're going to get rid of Obamacare. And what are you going to replace it with? Something amazing.

00:04:14.900 And then I just don't like the way I feel after I'm done listening to it. Why do I feel so bad

00:04:19.640 every time I walk away? This is Trump. Like it's just, everyone's going to be happy. I mean,

00:04:24.700 somehow he's going to find a deal. Everyone's going to be happy on abortion, which is an

00:04:28.580 impossibility, but the right, the Santas, more conservatives who have been pushing for these

00:04:34.140 more restrictive abortion limits and certainly do like the idea of a federal ban, uh, very unhappy

00:04:40.220 with that answer. What do you make of what he's doing? Well, I think Trump is being cagey here for a

00:04:46.000 reason. I think he's starting to pivot towards the general. And I think he recognizes that the

00:04:49.960 politics of abortion have changed since the Dobbs decision. We've now had referenda in six states,

00:04:55.460 uh, basically, uh, testing this question of, uh, of, of the popularity of restricting abortion access.

00:05:02.400 It's been, they've had referenda in Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Montana, Wisconsin, and Ohio in all of

00:05:09.440 them. The, the, uh, the anti-abortion, uh, side has lost, um, in, in one form or another, the electorates

00:05:16.960 of all those states, four of which are, are pretty deep red states, two of which are purple states.

00:05:21.800 The Republicans are going to need if Trump's or whoever the nominee is, is going to get elected

00:05:26.780 in 24. So this question has now been tested. And I think that Trump realizes that the Republicans

00:05:34.440 are going to have to moderate their position somewhat or have to defend a position in the

00:05:40.200 general. That's fairly unpopular. So I, I tend to think that Trump is being cagey here because

00:05:44.820 his political instincts are pretty good on this. Um, I think he, he, he doesn't want to attach

00:05:50.480 himself to a position that's going to become a liability in the general. To me, it's so simple.

00:05:56.360 He should just say it's for years, the Republicans wanted it left to the States. I'm the guy you can

00:06:01.040 thank for now having it left to the States. That's where it should stay. We shouldn't have

00:06:05.300 a federal ban because guess what? If Republicans are able to ban it at the federal level, then

00:06:09.520 Democrats are able to make it legal across the board at the federal level. The, the, the federal

00:06:15.280 legislation should not be a thing because even the most pro-life Republicans should be very fearful

00:06:21.400 about what the Democrats could do if they were to have enough votes in the house and the Senate and

00:06:27.220 control the white house. Like I don't get why it has to be anything more than that. Just say,

00:06:32.820 I think it should be handled at the States. That's how the system was set up. And here's,

00:06:37.860 here's what I would like to see, but you know, I'm going to, I'm not going to interfere with what

00:06:41.820 California wants to do. I guess that's not an acceptable answer. Well, I think you're, you're

00:06:47.160 right, Megan, that for 50 years, the Republican position on abortion was that it was a matter that

00:06:52.100 should be left to the States. And that's why Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned. But the second

00:06:56.560 that happened and the Republicans got their wish in Dobbs, it seemed like many of them shifted their

00:07:01.240 position to now wanting the, you know, the federal government to regulate it and to, um, you know,

00:07:06.320 restrict, uh, abortion and not leave it to the States. I, I think this is an area that is rife for

00:07:12.200 democratic attacks. If the Republicans now take this position that abortion should be federalized and,

00:07:18.080 uh, and banned, uh, again, at the federal level. So I, I agree with you. I think that the right

00:07:23.280 answer for Republicans here is to say that this is not a one size fits all, uh, issue that every

00:07:28.840 state is going to be a little bit different. And ultimately it's up to the States to decide this,

00:07:33.100 but, but even within that context, I'll just note that, uh, that several of these red States that

00:07:39.240 have looked at this question, uh, now have voted against the idea of banning or significantly

00:07:46.480 restricting abortion. So I think even at the state level, the Republicans are going to have to

00:07:51.020 kind of update their messaging on this, or they're going to keep losing elections. Uh, you know, in

00:07:56.540 Michigan, which is a purple state, the Republicans got swept across the board there because of the

00:08:01.040 salience to this issue. And I think when Trump says things like the Republican party is inarticulate

00:08:06.760 on this issue, I think that's what he's talking about. He's basically saying that we need to figure

00:08:11.200 out how to talk about this. We're going to lose a lot of elections. You know, it's kind of

00:08:14.980 interesting because we've had Republicans elected to the white house before, obviously Trump was not

00:08:21.140 the first ones who are genuinely conservative, unlike Trump, who is a populist and really spent

00:08:26.600 most of his life as a Democrat. Um, and they've been, they've won, you know, Ronald Reagan was pro

00:08:32.260 life. He won George W. Bush was a pro life. He won his dad. Same deal. We could go down the list

00:08:38.220 and they will, they would absolutely have favored, favored a ban, a federal ban, any kind of ban on

00:08:44.700 abortion. They wanted it outlawed. They're very pro life, but Roe was in place. And so you could

00:08:51.840 run openly saying that. And I don't think it really rattled most pro life Republicans. There

00:08:58.780 are pro pro choice Republicans and there are some or pro choice Democrats because they had Roe. So it was

00:09:05.460 like, it's fine. You can have that as your personal position. And I know you're going to do things

00:09:09.020 around the edges that I might not like, but the fundamental right is not going to go away. Well,

00:09:12.880 now it's gone. Now Roe, which was a terrible decision was rightfully overturned and now it is

00:09:18.880 back at issue. And so you're, you're raising a good point that you do as the Republican candidate,

00:09:24.840 find yourself maybe in a bit of a different position in saying where you stand on this than all

00:09:29.240 those other guys I just mentioned. Yeah. I mean, so Andrew Breitbart once said that politics is

00:09:36.400 downstream of culture. And the reality is that Republicans have not convinced the culture or

00:09:42.280 the country on this issue. And it's, you look at opinion polling, it's about a 60, 40 country in

00:09:49.400 favor of not unlimited abortion, but having abortion be available. And, um, and I just think that if

00:09:58.560 Republicans get too far ahead of the politics of this without convincing the public, they're simply

00:10:03.400 going to lose a lot of elections. I mean, I think that's the reality of it. And I think the politics

00:10:07.700 of this have changed since Dobbs, like you're saying it was more of a theoretical issue, uh, before

00:10:13.600 Dobbs when Roe v. Wade was the law of the land, uh, Republicans could basically, uh, take, you know,

00:10:20.280 a more direct pro-life position. Uh, you could argue that it actually benefited them because the

00:10:25.700 40 ish percent of the country that identified as pro-life, uh, was more motivated than the 60%

00:10:32.060 who identified as pro-choice. But I think now that's changed. And I think the pro-choice side,

00:10:36.340 uh, is, is much, it is very motivated and because they see it as a, as a real issue now,

00:10:42.680 it is a real issue at the state level. So I do think the Republicans are going to have to update

00:10:46.740 their, their, at least their messaging, if not their position on this, if they want to win

00:10:51.220 elections. And again, I just think that Trump, Trump's instincts on this are pretty good. And

00:10:56.620 I'll just note that whenever Trump opposes GOP groupthink, cause he has a history of doing not

00:11:01.980 just on abortion now, but he did this on immigration in 2016. He did this on, uh, Paul Ryan's entitlement

00:11:07.820 cuts. Remember this like way back in 2016 saying the Republicans should absolutely not go there.

00:11:12.620 We'll get slaughtered. If we try to cut social security or, or Medicare, he said,

00:11:15.900 that's a really stupid idea, uh, on China trade, you know, opposing free trade in the GOP. He has

00:11:21.600 a history of, of opposing GOP groupthink. And in every case he's been proven right. And just on

00:11:27.880 the politics of it, he, I think he has a, a, a strong intuitive level understanding of where the

00:11:34.020 country is on these issues. And I, I think he'll be proven right about this one as well.

00:11:38.300 This is a very interesting discussion. I was on with Glenn Beck earlier saying, I think Trump is,

00:11:42.440 has always been a little bit more liberal on social issues because he has been a Democrat

00:11:48.540 most of his life. He's, he's from New York city. Everyone here is socially liberal. I mean,

00:11:52.840 that's just how New York is, uh, the very, very small pocket of people who are socially

00:11:56.840 conservative and Trump was not among them for most of his life. You know, he was on Howard Stern years

00:12:00.980 ago talking about partial birth abortion and not going, not like not condemning it in, in,

00:12:05.860 in clear terms. Um, oh, he's changed now. I believe he's changed to some extent on some of these

00:12:12.100 issues. But my point is, you know, I think his sensibilities are a little bit more, uh, in the

00:12:15.980 center, but I will say this, um, the American public, this is where they are as of, well, I,

00:12:22.820 the latest polls I have are from April. Okay. Wall street journal, national poll, April, 2023.

00:12:28.420 Do you favor or oppose banning all abortions after six weeks with the rape, incest and life

00:12:33.900 exceptions. So the six week band that it was enacted, let's say in Florida, um, 53% oppose

00:12:41.560 making it that limited 41% support making it that limited. When you get into the parties,

00:12:49.340 uh, Republicans overwhelmingly favorite 68% of Republicans do favor a six week band with those,

00:12:54.980 uh, exceptions. So maybe that costs Trump with the Republican primary voters, but he's so far ahead.

00:13:01.760 You're probably right. He's making a calculated decision. He can, he can spare it. You know,

00:13:05.240 it's, it's fine. He might take a little hit, but he can spare it, uh, and play more towards the,

00:13:09.420 the general. Then you look a little bit more, uh, NPR, PBS news hour, Marist poll,

00:13:14.720 same timeframe, April, 2023. Uh, do you, which one of these statements comes closest to your opinion

00:13:21.960 on abortion? Uh, let's see any time within six months, only 34% said that though 58%

00:13:31.660 of Democrats said so. And only 27% of independents said up to six months is okay. At most within the

00:13:37.700 first three months, 66% said, yes, that describes me. And that includes, um, 42% of Democrats,

00:13:45.840 86% of Republicans and 73% of independents. So saying it's okay within the first three months

00:13:51.600 is an acceptable position across all three groups. That's basically what he said. I mean,

00:13:56.940 if you listen to the full exchange, he kept going on and say, these Democrats are insane

00:13:59.920 who are pushing the six, seventh, eighth, ninth months, um, you know, timeframe. And I think

00:14:06.800 we're sort of going to land around 15 weeks. Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, so if you look at,

00:14:13.680 at the way that this issue, um, shook out in, in Europe, for example, the, the way that most

00:14:19.180 countries in Europe deal with it is that abortion is broadly legal in the first call it 12 to 15

00:14:24.840 weeks. In the second trimester, it, there are restrictions, but you could call it exceptions,

00:14:31.440 exceptions, uh, rape, incest, life, and other things like that. And then in the, uh, third

00:14:36.740 trimester, it's basically illegal except for the most extreme exceptions. I think that probably

00:14:43.260 we're headed for a regime like that in the United States. I think the United States is a more

00:14:47.880 religious country than the most of the European countries. So I think it could be a little bit

00:14:53.220 stricter, but broadly speaking, I think that is where, uh, Western populations kind of shake out

00:14:58.680 in this issue. And I think the big change since Dobbs is that I think that when this issue was

00:15:04.520 preempted by the Supreme court, you know, everybody talked in terms of rights, uh, you were either

00:15:09.640 pro-life or pro-choice. And when you frame the issue that way, in terms of rights, you tend to take

00:15:15.700 a more absolutist stance. Uh, but when the issue now is dealt with by legislatures,

00:15:22.160 it stops being about these abstractions and it starts being about very tangible things

00:15:27.020 like the number of weeks. I think Trump is basically right here to when he said that,

00:15:32.360 look, this all comes down to the number of weeks and we need to figure out a compromise on this.

00:15:35.460 We need to figure out a consensus. And then we're going to largely put this issue behind us. I actually,

00:15:39.640 I don't think it's going to be quite that simple. I don't know how easy it's going to be to find a

00:15:43.580 consensus and there might be a different consensus in different States. But I do think that this issue

00:15:50.280 again, is going to stop being about the sort of absolutisms about legal abstractions. And it's

00:15:56.660 going to start being about messy compromises in terms of, you know, number of weeks.

00:16:03.400 Meanwhile, we have to spend a moment on the dishonesty of the reporter questioning Trump

00:16:07.500 about abortion. I mean, it was glaring to anybody who pays attention to this, who's not completely driven

00:16:12.980 by an agenda. So Kristen Welker tries to cross examine Trump on what the Democrats stance is

00:16:19.360 and has been. He pushes back correctly, but watch this exchange.

00:16:24.180 The Democrats that say after five months, six months, seven months, eight months, nine months,

00:16:29.000 and even after birth, you're allowed to terminate the baby.

00:16:32.460 The Democrats aren't saying that. I just have to say, Democrats are not saying that.

00:16:35.540 Of course they do. You have a Virginia governor, previous governor who said, after the baby is

00:16:42.100 born, you will make a determination. And if you want, you will kill that baby. The baby is now

00:16:47.660 born. Democrats writ large are not talking about that. Only 1% of late term abortions happen in

00:16:53.080 always in the state. They are the radical people. I said with Hillary Clinton, when we had the debate,

00:16:59.400 I made a statement, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month, you're allowed to do that.

00:17:04.920 And you shouldn't be allowed to do that. Again, no one is arguing for that. That's not a part of

00:17:09.400 anyone's platform, Mr. President. The Democrats are able to kill the baby after birth. Let me talk

00:17:14.560 to you. Nobody wants that. Democrats don't want that. 100% untrue. That is not true that Democrats

00:17:22.800 don't want that. There's a long list of Democrats who would love to see abortion legalized all the way

00:17:27.800 through the ninth month. Ron DeSantis, his team put this out a couple of weeks ago after this came

00:17:32.580 up in the press. Watch, just look, here's some on cam. Do you support any restrictions on abortion?

00:17:40.600 I don't. I've always believed in the third trimester. Do you think there should be any

00:17:44.740 limitation on abortion? No, I do not. Where it's obvious that a woman is about to give birth,

00:17:51.040 she has physical signs that she is about to give a birth. Would that still be a point at which

00:17:56.420 she could request an abortion if she was so certified? My bill would allow that. Yes.

00:18:01.080 Do you believe that a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of

00:18:05.360 birth? Look, I think that that happens very, very rarely. But at the end of the day, I believe

00:18:11.500 that the decision over abortion belongs to a woman and a physician.

00:18:17.360 My question was about any limits to abortion at any point, you know, late term, anything.

00:18:23.900 You got to leave it up to the to the woman up till now. My understanding is there wasn't a limit

00:18:29.800 on when in pregnancy a woman could receive an abortion. Have you set any limit? There are no

00:18:35.480 limits. There are no limits. And just to add to that, David, National Review did a fact check of

00:18:40.620 this recently. And here's what they said. Several Democratic senators, including John Fetterman,

00:18:46.160 Bernie Sanders, Ben Cardin, openly admit that they oppose any legal limits on abortion. You heard two of

00:18:51.020 them in that budded stop montage at any point in pregnancy at any point, which is the position of

00:18:58.000 a majority of Democrat voters. Colorado explicitly allows abortion through all nine months of pregnancy

00:19:05.100 for any reason whatsoever. The Atlantic recently profiled a Colorado abortionist who admitted that

00:19:13.060 most of the abortions he performs later than 21 weeks target the physically healthy babies of

00:19:19.300 physically healthy mothers. They're most of his third term abortions are of physically healthy

00:19:25.200 babies to physically healthy mothers. So it's not for the life of the mother. The baby's fine.

00:19:29.740 There's no catastrophic physical deformity or life chances. Many more blue states. Maryland is a good

00:19:35.980 example. Effectively have the same policy as Colorado because of broad exceptions, allowing late

00:19:40.980 term abortions for mental health of the mother. That's the catch all exception that completely allows

00:19:47.100 abortions all the way through delivery in 2022. Every Democrat in Congress except for two voted for

00:19:54.780 a federal bill that would create a national right to post viability abortions whenever a lone health

00:20:01.300 care provider determines it is necessary again to protect the mother's mental health. So that's all the

00:20:08.580 way up to the end of the ninth month of pregnancy. As long as you can get one health care provider to say

00:20:14.140 the mother's mental health really does justify it. So the reporter is full of it. This is happening in

00:20:22.340 a lot of these blue states. And this actually is why a lot of Republicans are like, we got to have a

00:20:27.040 federal ban. Again, we've already talked about that. But the dishonesty of the press makes itself

00:20:32.440 apparent virtually every day, David. Yeah, I mean, I think that both Trump and the DeSantis campaign are

00:20:38.620 right to want to frame the issue this way. I mean, just broadly speaking, the polling on this

00:20:42.900 shows that about half the country is somewhere in the middle on this. They don't want to see abortion

00:20:48.820 being unlimited to the ninth month. But on the other hand, they don't want to ban either. About

00:20:55.060 call it 20 to 30 percent of the country favors either the total pro-life or total pro-choice position. So

00:21:02.520 the side that's going to win on this is the one that's able to convince that vast center of the

00:21:08.100 country that they're on their side. And and that that's really the trick here is to move to the

00:21:14.600 center first in a way that gets the rest of the country on board. So, again, I think that is that

00:21:21.520 possible with Trump. Do we think that's possible with Trump? Well, I think that's what he was trying

00:21:25.940 to do in that interview. I mean, again, yes, but do you think it is Trump? Are people open minded to

00:21:30.780 Trump? I mean, I will say, as I said in the lead, the latest polls show him up 15 over Biden with

00:21:37.420 independence. You win the majority of Republicans and then you win 15 points with independence. You

00:21:42.800 win the presidency. Well, this is the conundrum of Trump, I think, is that on the one hand, he's got

00:21:48.980 more personal baggage or legal baggage than any other candidate. On the other hand, I think he's still

00:21:55.160 showing that he's got the best political instincts probably in the Republican Party, for example, on

00:22:00.680 this highly contentious issue. And he's done it before, like on immigration, on trade, on Bush's

00:22:06.060 forever wars, on Paul Ryan's entitlement cuts. Again, whenever Trump bucks the GOP group think on

00:22:12.200 an issue, he's been proven correct about it. So I tend to think his political instincts on this are

00:22:17.680 correct. I think they're very good. And, you know, if politics comes down to issues, then I think it

00:22:23.620 serves Trump. On the other hand, again, he's got all this personal baggage, got all this drama around

00:22:27.540 him, this sort of this cloud of chaos that follows him. And, you know, at the end of the day, I don't

00:22:32.260 know which side of that voters going to come out on. I'm going to get to his other social issues that

00:22:38.920 are in the news right now. But first, I've got to spend a moment on the backlash to meet the press

00:22:42.680 for, quote, platforming Donald Trump. I went through this when I was at NBC for, quote, platforming Alex

00:22:48.840 Jones. It was absurd. Like, as if you can only interview Mother Teresa. That's it. That's okay.

00:22:57.460 There was a complete meltdown. The left calling for a boycott of Meet the Press, of Kristen Welker

00:23:03.040 saying she sold her soul and no one will ever watch her again. And NBC, in typical cowardly

00:23:11.180 tail between the legs, I don't use the P word, but it's P word fashion, decides to provide cover for

00:23:18.480 her, David, by not just having her like a grownup go out there on the air and say, this is why I

00:23:24.340 aired it. This is why we interviewed President Trump. You know, this is why we thought it made

00:23:28.160 sense. They bring on Peter Baker of The New York Times, you see, because the lefties will listen

00:23:32.620 to The New York Times providing Kristen Welker with absolution. And here's how that went.

00:23:39.100 We have gotten criticism for just sitting down with former President Trump. He is the former

00:23:46.800 president. He's facing four indictments as journalists. Just set the scene, the backdrop,

00:23:51.620 why there is still news value, value for the public to hear from him.

00:23:55.880 Well, this is a huge challenge for American journalism, of course, right? It cannot be that

00:23:59.760 a person can run for president of the United States, be a front runner in his party and possibly

00:24:04.400 win without ever being challenged by a tough independent interviewer. And that's, I think,

00:24:09.260 an important part of our system. Now, obviously, the challenge for us, because he is just going to

00:24:13.660 spout out one thing after another. And fact-checking in real time is a real hard thing. But what you've

00:24:17.560 done here is edit it and make sure people understand what's real and what's not.

00:24:21.880 Oh, my Lord. First of all, she's not independent, not even close. She works for NBC News. This is a

00:24:27.160 leftist interviewer. But platforming should be a no-brainer. The guy is probably going to be the GOP

00:24:33.400 nominee for president, David. Yeah, that's right. I mean, the same thing happened when CNN did that

00:24:39.800 town hall with with Caitlin Collins moderating. I mean, they basically invite Trump into the lion's

00:24:44.940 den. You make no mistake. It's not just the moderator who's up against Trump. They've got

00:24:49.460 the entire studio and all the producers in the earpiece feeding her lines to basically, you know,

00:24:55.740 try and get Trump. And, you know, the thing about Trump is that he just seems uniquely good at

00:25:01.740 dealing with these types of situations. I mean, the more hostile the interviewer, the better he

00:25:07.040 does. And so when their best laid plans don't work out, then they start wringing their hands and

00:25:12.400 saying, why do we bring him on it? It basically redounded to his benefit. This is the second time

00:25:17.720 that's their nightmare scenario. Yeah. I mean, remember, they were talking about firing Caitlin

00:25:22.420 Collins for that town hall because supposedly she didn't do enough job getting Trump. I mean,

00:25:26.820 the same things happened here. There's just something about Trump. He is preternaturally

00:25:31.160 good about dealing with these hostile interviewers. It's his best format. And I think that in your

00:25:37.340 interview with him, that the more, you know, those segments where you challenged him, I thought

00:25:41.120 that those were the best, most interesting segments. And then in interview, you know,

00:25:46.120 other interviews I've seen where the interviewer just kind of lets him talk. He kind of rambles.

00:25:50.140 He's just not as sharp and concise. So I think he's just uniquely good at these formats. And

00:25:56.420 and then, you know, again, when it goes horribly awry, the liberal media starts wringing their hands

00:26:00.280 and wondering why they did it. Right. And like, OK, you could keep him underground for the next year

00:26:06.460 and a half. You know what that's going to lead to? Victory. Victory. I mean, like it's not going to

00:26:12.360 help them to only allow Trump to go out there at his rallies and talk to mostly friendly interviewers.

00:26:17.100 Like it's it's not going to help them either way because he's very camera friendly. He drives

00:26:21.280 ratings. People love the entertainment of Trump, even if they don't much like him or want to vote

00:26:25.440 for him. In any event. Yeah, you can feel the pain. It's the media's job. It's the media's job

00:26:29.220 to challenge these candidates. I mean, the real question here is not why they're having Trump on

00:26:33.240 the show. It's why they are not interviewing Biden. Where is Biden? Why are they letting him hide?

00:26:38.920 Are they going to let him run another basement campaign? I guess this time it will be done from the

00:26:42.960 Rose Garden. But still, I mean, the question is not why they're interviewing Trump. It's why

00:26:46.980 aren't they interviewing Biden? Well, they requested Biden and he said no. And, you know,

00:26:51.000 I mean, we we have not requested Biden because we know the answer is no. They won't talk to us at

00:26:56.260 all. It's just absurd. So you've got it. I mean, it's got to be somebody like an NBC or the New York

00:27:00.300 Times. Somebody's got to get in his face and throw hard questions at him or we're never president

00:27:04.460 basement is never going to surface. So, you know, kudos to Trump for doing it with what he knows is,

00:27:09.320 in her case, adversarial media. Now, he's also taking hits by Team DeSantis and some of the more

00:27:15.820 conservative media for some of the answers he gave me in our interview, which we aired last

00:27:19.880 Thursday, in particular on covid and on the trans issue. Since we're on social issues, we'll stay

00:27:25.260 with. We'll start with the trans issue. Let's play the soundbite. Can a man become a woman?

00:27:30.000 Um, in my opinion, you have a man, you have a woman. I think I think part of it is birth.

00:27:41.220 Can the man give birth? No, no. Although they'll come up with some answer to that also. Someday I

00:27:46.780 heard just the other day they have a way that now the man can give birth. No, I would say

00:27:51.900 I'll continue my stance on that. Already DeSantis has got an attack ad out on that.

00:27:59.720 He's been very, very clear. Uh, no is the answer. And I have to say, I agree with DeSantis. The answer

00:28:05.680 is no. It's pretty clear. It's pretty, pretty obvious. I don't know why Trump answered it the

00:28:11.540 way he did. He did say he favors bans on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. So good. He did say

00:28:20.060 he, uh, he was anti trans people serving in the military. I mean, we've seen that turn into drag

00:28:25.100 queen shows. So I would say again, good. Um, and he did like he, he said now he sees the issue of

00:28:33.800 bathrooms, locker rooms, prisons and all that. He sees that differently than he did in 2016. And

00:28:40.460 he's against men claiming that they're trans appearing in those women's spaces. But on that

00:28:45.700 critical question, he hedged a little David. So what do you make of it?

00:28:50.060 Uh, it's, it's hard to say. I mean, I, I think that, um, I think Trump here is uncomfortable

00:28:57.040 clearly with, uh, kind of being hardcore on this issue. Um, you know, he is willing to

00:29:02.280 be hardcore on other issues. This one he's, he's temporizing a little bit. And, uh, I, I

00:29:08.120 think, uh, I mean, at the end of the day, I think he basically gave the answer that was

00:29:11.900 acceptable to the Republican base, but you're right that he, he doesn't want to come across

00:29:17.400 as being, um, you know, too, uh, too hardcore on this particular issue.

00:29:24.120 You know, it might, well, you know, I think he, it may be that he doesn't want to be accused of

00:29:30.080 being intolerant. It may be the fact that he, like he said, he was friends with, I know, I mean,

00:29:35.360 maybe this is a kinder, gentler Trump. Um, you know, I, it may be the fact that he's friends with

00:29:39.840 Caitlyn Jenner. I mean, he talks about how he was friends with Bruce Jenner and then became

00:29:44.440 Caitlyn. Uh, he said that very attractive man. Yeah. You know, so it, it, it could be on that

00:29:52.040 level. I think that, um, I, I thought that was interesting. You know, he, he, one of the things

00:29:56.840 he said in the context of both trans and COVID is that this was a very new issue at the time that

00:30:05.200 we were dealing with it. I gave him, but you know, today in 2023, it's very clear. I mean,

00:30:10.960 it's, it's very clear. We have a serious problem on our hands. I mean, I really hope we hear him

00:30:16.780 evolve to a much stronger answer on that. I hope you, the vast majority of Republicans are where I

00:30:22.320 am on this issue. And I mean, maybe he doesn't care, but I think he's with us. I think he's going

00:30:27.980 to vote the way we want him to vote, but I would like him to get stronger on this because we need

00:30:32.900 strong leadership on this to push back against the, you know, the, the nutcase activists who

00:30:37.140 are trying to shove these men in women's prisons. And they're winding up raped by these lifetime sex

00:30:42.300 offenders who two seconds ago were living as men. And then they say they're women so they can get,

00:30:45.720 I mean, it's just absurd. Anyway, he did give the right answer on that. Just not

00:30:49.460 sort of enthusiastically. One questioned whether his heart was in it. Okay. Then the COVID stuff,

00:30:54.500 um, the DeSantis team is having a field day with his answers on COVID. Here's a bit of why.

00:30:59.240 You actually gave him a presidential commendation before you left office.

00:31:04.360 Wouldn't you like a do-over on that? Uh, I don't know who gave him the commendation.

00:31:08.940 I really don't know who gave him the commendation. I wouldn't have done it.

00:31:11.520 Presidential commendation. One went off to Mark Milley, too.

00:31:12.560 Somebody probably handed him a commendation. He probably...

00:31:15.120 But Ron DeSantis was under a lot of pressure, especially given the population, the age of a

00:31:21.080 lot of Florida's citizens. I'm not saying, I'm not trying to blame anybody,

00:31:23.840 but he should say, I closed it down. Eventually we opened it, but I closed it down. But I gave him

00:31:30.080 the right to keep it open. If he wanted to, I let the governors make the determination as to whether

00:31:35.360 or not to close it down. Operation Warp Speed, though. That was on the vaccines. They were rushed

00:31:40.660 through. They have helped but also hurt a lot of people. And your White House actually supported

00:31:46.300 mask mandates. So wouldn't you like a do-over on any of that?

00:31:49.780 Look, when this came in, nobody knew what the hell it was. Some friends of mine that

00:31:55.900 are Democrat, I think they voted for me, but they're Democrat, very smart people, top people.

00:32:00.380 They say, you know, I don't understand one thing. Why don't you talk more about the vaccine?

00:32:04.560 It was one of the greatest things you've ever done. They said, you might have saved 100 million

00:32:08.940 people, 50 million people. Why aren't you talking about it? I said, I'm not talking about it.

00:32:13.460 I never got, I think, the credit that I deserve.

00:32:16.900 Now, this is an issue where there's a very clear divide between Trump and DeSantis. DeSantis was an

00:32:23.300 anti-lockdown, anti-mandate when it came to the vax or the masks warrior. Yes, he shut down Florida

00:32:30.160 for a brief period. And while Trump in his interview with me said that he never shut anything down,

00:32:35.320 there's all sorts of clips around the internet with Trump saying, I shut it down, I shut it down,

00:32:39.540 and I shut it down. So he took credit for it. He also took credit for Fauci. He ran ads showing

00:32:45.780 himself with Fauci. You know, that's, it's up to Ron DeSantis to fact check him on Ron DeSantis'

00:32:51.480 record. You know, I'm not there to defend Ron DeSantis, but it's very clear these two

00:32:55.260 do not have the same record when it comes to COVID. And the DeSantis team clearly sees an

00:33:00.900 opportunity here, David, to exploit that difference. Well, I agree with the DeSantis

00:33:07.720 camp on this. I mean, I think DeSantis did an excellent job on COVID. He figured out the correct

00:33:13.400 answer on all these policies before anybody else did. He ultimately bucked the Trump administration.

00:33:20.140 And he, and DeSantis is correct that Trump should have fired Fauci. He certainly shouldn't have given

00:33:24.420 him a commendation. So I think the DeSantis camp has a lot of good points to make on this. In terms of

00:33:29.840 Trump's answers to you, Megan, I guess, you know, what's he going to say? I mean, he doesn't really

00:33:35.940 have a great answer on any of these points. I think his answer on the commendation for Fauci

00:33:42.320 was basically to say, I didn't do it. Somebody else did it. I don't know who. It's not a great

00:33:46.420 answer, but there's no better answer than that. And then I think, you know, his answer saying,

00:33:52.060 we didn't know what the hell it was. What he's basically saying is, look, cut me some slack. We're

00:33:56.760 dealing with this really new issue. At the end of the day, I think that most of the Republican base

00:34:03.040 knows that Trump could have done a better job on COVID, that DeSantis did do a better job on

00:34:08.520 COVID. And the question is, is whether they're going to cut him the slack that Trump is asking for.

00:34:14.460 How are you feeling about these guys right now? You were part of the Elon DeSantis

00:34:18.460 campaign launch on what was then Twitter spaces. Now X seemed like you were supportive of him,

00:34:27.660 or is it just supportive of any Republican? Well, I, I'm definitely not supportive of any

00:34:33.940 Republican. I'm supportive of DeSantis. I'm actually supportive of Vivek now as well.

00:34:40.340 Look what happened. I brought you two together. I said, give it time and it worked.

00:34:45.680 Yes. No, I've, I've come around on Vivek. We've had a little bit of a love hate relationship.

00:34:51.580 It started with, uh, with hate, uh, with the debate that we did on your show.

00:34:55.460 I then began to look, watch his social media posts and sort of begrudgingly admired his social

00:35:01.420 media game. And then he kind of flipped me into the love column with his position on Ukraine. So,

00:35:05.820 um, yeah, I think Vivek is great now. Um, and I think it's too soon.

00:35:10.960 I'm taking full credit for this. I'm taking a hundred percent of credit. Go back and check

00:35:14.420 their record. I brought them together. I said, you'll learn to love. I've kind of gone the other

00:35:19.380 way, but it's not that I don't like Vivek. It's that I'm kind of pissed off at him right now for

00:35:22.500 a couple of things, but he can win me back. I'm still open-minded. Keep going.

00:35:26.820 Well, so, so for me at the end of the day, I look, I think it's too soon to be shutting off,

00:35:30.520 uh, debate and alternatives within the Republican party. We're still four months away

00:35:34.300 from the first vote in the primary. Um, and for me, the, the, the most important issue

00:35:40.440 is ultimately the candidate's position on Ukraine. Are you going to continue escalating this war

00:35:45.340 until we take the risk of being in war three? Are you going to deescalate the war and find an

00:35:49.820 opportunity for peace? To me, that is the litmus test this year. I think that the differences

00:35:54.840 between Republican candidates on that issue, uh, dwarf the differences on all of these other issues.

00:36:00.900 Uh, there are the differences between Republican candidates, even the more establishment ones on

00:36:06.360 domestic issues. They're, they're relatively again, relatively small, but the differences on this

00:36:12.560 war are huge. Pence, Christie Haley, they want to escalate it. Their only criticism of Biden is that

00:36:19.540 he hasn't done enough fast enough. I mean, again, Biden's position is we're going to do whatever it

00:36:24.180 takes for as long as it takes. And that's not enough for these neocon Republicans. And then on the

00:36:29.300 other side of it, you've got Trump, DeSantis, and Vivek all to one degree or another saying that we need

00:36:34.480 to escalate this and find peace. That to me is the dividing line between an acceptable Republican,

00:36:40.860 an acceptable Republican and an unacceptable Republican. Um, look, I think my perfect

00:36:45.700 candidate would combine DeSantis's executive abilities, Vivek's social media game and Trump's

00:36:52.560 television skills. Uh, that would be the perfect Republican candidate, but, um, that sounds like

00:36:57.940 you, you should run. Not, not, not, not exactly. But, um, but in any event, you, you, you don't get

00:37:04.980 that kind of choice in practice. So, um, for me, I think, you know, I'm willing to support anyone,

00:37:10.400 any Republican who at the end of the day is acceptable on this question of really war three.

00:37:17.080 I would vote for you in a New York minute. Stand by. We're going to come back with how we have more

00:37:21.300 evidence now of the Dems starting to abandon Joe Biden getting very interesting.

00:37:29.960 I mentioned it a couple of times here that we now have a poll showing Trump up 15 among

00:37:36.620 independent likely voters, which is what we are supposed to be paying attention to.

00:37:41.140 This is a CBS news poll released on Sunday, 4,000 plus us adults, which is a pretty decent size

00:37:47.540 sample. Uh, and then you've got similar results from a, a Harris X poll last week,

00:37:53.640 independents backing Trump over Biden more narrowly there, 38 to 36, um, 25% saying they're

00:37:59.840 undecided, but 15 points up is huge. This is the New York times. David has another piece out today

00:38:05.480 entitled, uh, Democrat top Democrats, bullishness on Biden, 2024 collides with voters worries. And they

00:38:14.220 reference a James Carville saying Biden's got a problem. The voters don't want this. And that's

00:38:19.600 in poll after poll after poll. You can't look at what you look at and not feel some apprehension here.

00:38:27.900 Uh, and they've cite democratic voters like James Collier saying he would like Mr. Biden to clear the

00:38:33.640 way for a new generation that could energize the party's base saying he's a little weight, not a

00:38:41.340 little, he's a lot old and I'm hoping he would in his own mind think I need to sit this out and let

00:38:47.360 someone else do this. This is on top of what we discussed on Friday, CNN doing a fact check and

00:38:52.300 in-depth fact check on all of his lies. We've seen other pieces. Now we saw David Ignatius at the

00:38:56.860 Washington post saying neither he nor Harris should run. So there seems to be some momentum building

00:39:01.440 behind me. Get him out of here. Do you think there's any hope of that? Um, I think Democrats are

00:39:07.480 doing a gut check right now on whether he's really their candidate. I mean, I think he does have huge

00:39:11.760 liabilities. It's really unclear that he can make it all the way through a vigorous campaign. I mean,

00:39:16.560 clearly they're not going to run the type of campaign where he does a lot of media appearances

00:39:21.500 or campaign appearances. I guess the question's whether they can do a Rose Garden campaign where

00:39:26.220 it's basically the basement strategy all over again, except they trot him out to the microphones,

00:39:30.420 you know, call it once a week to denounce Trump. I think again, they're doing this gut check because

00:39:34.860 Biden is weak. And I think that for Biden to win, he's got to fade a few pretty big risks over the

00:39:43.600 next year. I think one of them is an economic recession. Uh, there's still a significant

00:39:47.660 chance that, uh, we won't have a soft landing. Um, the second one is the Ukraine war is going very

00:39:54.120 badly. The counter-offensive has failed. The losses are, are catastrophic. I think there's a significant

00:39:59.420 chance that this war, uh, goes South in a big way over the next year. And then of course, you've got

00:40:04.960 all the corruption scandal. If, if anything more comes out there, it could be very damaging. So I

00:40:10.440 think there are a lot of risks to a, to a Biden candidacy, but at the end of the day, I think that

00:40:15.500 Democrats would probably just unite around him because there's not a clear alternative. And, um,

00:40:21.700 you know, it's, it's, um, it's a, it's a funny thing. I mean, the, the vast majority of the American

00:40:27.220 electorate say they don't want a Biden Trump rematch, and yet it's probably what we're going

00:40:34.380 to get. It's, um, unthinkable and yet somehow inevitable at the same time.

00:40:38.980 Mm-hmm. The line of there's no evidence, there's no evidence, there knows there's no evidence has

00:40:43.920 clearly gone out to the mainstream media, which marches according to orders. I mean, it's crazy how

00:40:50.720 they just are so lazy. They don't, I mean, I realize it gets, trust me, my eyes glaze over

00:40:56.140 when I'm neck deep in Victor Shokin, the prosecutor on what date the investigation into Burisma and the

00:41:01.980 head of it started and who weighed in and what did the European union say, but I do it. I do it for my

00:41:07.560 audience because I'm in news and this is the business we've chosen. Um, different story over

00:41:13.620 on ABC where on Sunday, Jonathan Karl hosted representative Nancy Mace, who was there happy to educate the

00:41:20.660 guy. If only he would listen, watch this. Was this premature, um, going all the way with an impeachment

00:41:28.360 inquiry? I don't believe so. The facts are everywhere. There are text messages. There are emails. There are

00:41:33.860 witnesses. There are whistleblowers. There are meetings. There are phone calls. There are dinners. We're talking

00:41:39.180 about a significant sum of money. We are talking about bribery. And in the Constitution, Article 2, Section 4,

00:41:45.060 I mean, there's no, there's, there's no evidence. It was the, it was the fourth estate. It was the

00:41:50.400 media and journalists when Nixon was going down that helped do that investigation, helped bring

00:41:55.000 down the president when they, when he broke the law. And you know, you guys want to deny that there's

00:41:59.660 evidence. It's everywhere and the bank records will prove it out. All right. We will see. I haven't seen

00:42:05.720 much yet. I haven't seen much yet and absolutely no interest in actually taking a look because the,

00:42:13.780 you know, they're all against this impeachment. They're writing about how wrong it is and how

00:42:16.960 there's no evidence. Yeah. I mean, they keep redefining what no evidence means. I mean, remember

00:42:23.200 that Biden himself first said that he had no involvement and no knowledge of Hunter Biden's

00:42:27.240 business dealings. Then we find out from Devin Archer's testimony, sworn testimony that Biden

00:42:31.700 was the brand. I mean, he called in to 20 of these client meetings to let them know that Hunter had

00:42:38.780 access. We also know that back in 2014, when he was vice president, Biden approved the, this made on

00:42:47.940 a coup or revolution, however you want to frame it, that deposed the democratically elected government

00:42:53.860 of Ukraine. That's what started all of our problems there. And three months after he did that,

00:43:00.840 Hunter Biden was added to the board of Burisma. I mean, that is a pretty outrageous conflict of

00:43:06.140 interest. You know, and if you go back, I've looked at this going back to 2008, when Obama added Biden to

00:43:14.820 the ticket in 2008, there were questions even back then about the connection between Joe and Hunter

00:43:20.000 Biden. Hunter Biden had worked for credit card companies as a consultant when Joe was the floor

00:43:25.520 manager in the Senate of credit card legislation. And, you know, these concerns were sort of brushed

00:43:30.700 off back then. But if you're Joe Biden, you're vice president, and you're in charge of the Ukraine

00:43:36.220 portfolio for the Obama administration, and you've already been questioned about, about the conflicts

00:43:42.360 of interest with Hunter, why in the world would you allow Hunter to take that board seat on Burisma?

00:43:48.380 In other words, Joe didn't discourage his son from avoiding the conflict of interest. The Biden family

00:43:55.180 ran towards that conflict of interest. And then you have the admission around Shokin, which is that

00:44:01.140 Biden used his leverage to get the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma fired. Now, what was Biden's

00:44:08.520 basis for that? He says that he did that because this prosecutor was corrupt. But the only thing that

00:44:14.360 changed when Shokin was fired is that the investigation into Burisma stopped. So the

00:44:19.840 whole thing seems very shady to me. There's a ton of smoke here. And I think it is the kind of thing

00:44:26.740 that should be looked into, preferably by the media. But the media is not really doing it. So

00:44:32.060 the Republicans are doing it. It's amazing because there was a plan that to approve this aid to Ukraine

00:44:39.880 that had been settled upon. It had been settled upon by state, by treasury, by the Obama Biden

00:44:46.740 administration. And the person who seems to have changed the plan late in the game was Joe Biden,

00:44:53.240 inexplicably. And to the surprise of people within the State Department who had already approved the

00:44:58.580 aid and said they've done enough to fight corruption to deserve it. And he was the one who said no after

00:45:05.020 speaking with his son. OK, they never discussed business. Oh, sure. OK. I mean, guess we have

00:45:10.380 to have it on tape for the Democrats to not smell any smoke here whatsoever. Well, why did Joe Biden

00:45:16.440 change it single handedly? And what was it that changed his opinion? Right, exactly. And why was he

00:45:23.800 corresponding with his son under pseudonyms and aliases like the name Robert Peters? I mean,

00:45:28.380 is that the way you normally talk to your child about matters that have nothing to do with business or

00:45:33.880 corruption? With respect to the Shokin case, the question that reporters should be asking Biden

00:45:40.920 if they wanted to do their job is you said at a talk at the Council of Foreign Relations that you

00:45:46.520 got this guy fired because of corruption. Who told you that he was corrupt? What exactly did you think

00:45:54.100 corruption meant in that context? Because the only thing that changed after you got him fired was that

00:46:00.400 they stopped investigating Burisma. So there's a real disconnect there. If Biden wanted to pursue

00:46:06.680 corruption in Ukraine, why wouldn't he have encouraged the Burisma investigation? So these

00:46:13.120 are the types of questions the media should be asking Biden, but they never do. I mean, if you just

00:46:18.300 look through the history and John Solomon's done amazing reporting on this, you've got Hunter joining

00:46:24.160 the board of Burisma in April, 2014, uh, in February of 2015. So this is about a year before he gets

00:46:29.900 fired. Shokin is elevated to the office of the prosecutor general during an ongoing international

00:46:34.780 investigation focused on corruption, uh, surrounding Burisma. So Burisma was already being investigated

00:46:39.840 as of February, 2015, even though some Dems now deny that it was under underway. September of 15,

00:46:46.640 the interagency policy committee, a task force created to advise the Obama white house on whether

00:46:51.040 Ukraine was cleaned up enough and on the corruption front to warrant warrant more aid assure assured

00:46:56.040 them that prosecutor Shokin had made sufficient progress to warrant the guarantee of 1 billion. Okay. That

00:47:02.000 was September of 15, November of 15, vice president Biden calls then Ukrainian president to reiterate that

00:47:09.500 the U S is willing to provide that $1 billion loan November of 15 sometime in late 2015 starts the

00:47:17.520 pressure. Burisma's corporate secretary pushing Hunter Biden, deliver help, get it, get them off of our back,

00:47:23.560 get them off the back of our, of our founders, Lochevsky. And in late 2015, uh, the removal of this prosecutor

00:47:30.660 who was looking into Burisma suddenly became a condition of the $1 billion loan guarantee. So said vice president

00:47:38.160 Biden, there are questions to be answered and no one's asking him who has access. David, great to see you.

00:47:44.320 Thanks, Megan. We'll be right back with our Gen Z panel.

00:47:53.220 And now we have an excellent Gen Z panel to discuss some of the biggest stories in media and politics

00:47:58.560 today, including the new Russell Brand allegations that broke over the weekend and the alleged affair

00:48:05.280 between South Dakota governor and Republican darling, Kristi Noem and former Trump advisor,

00:48:11.240 Corey Lewandowski joining us now, Savannah Hernandez, reporter for turning point USA and writer for the

00:48:18.240 post-millennial and will Witt editor in chief of the Florida standard and author of the brand new book,

00:48:24.340 do not comply, taking power back from America's corrupt elite. Welcome to the show. Both of you.

00:48:31.020 Great to have you here. I'm curious. Cause, um, I don't, turning point is a little bit more supportive

00:48:35.760 of Trump. And I know, well, you've been supportive of DeSantis. Love to get your quick take,

00:48:39.740 both of you guys on in the, in the wake of my Trump interview and Kristen Welker's Trump interview

00:48:45.020 and the considerable DeSantis pushback, how you guys are seeing the race and the candidates right

00:48:50.540 now. Will, I'll start with you as, as more of a DeSantis guy. Yeah. Well, I talked about this

00:48:55.120 yesterday online and for me, I've always been a very pro-life person when it's come to the

00:48:59.120 conservative movement. And now, so being baptized Christians about two years ago, being pro-life is

00:49:04.420 even more so important to me. And it's kind of like the old adage, you know, a man could gain

00:49:08.720 the world, but what does he get if he loses his soul in the process? And, you know, we can talk

00:49:12.780 about, yeah, we do a 15 week ban or a six week ban and we'll win elections by doing this. We'll have

00:49:18.100 kind of this big tent conservatism, but I found Trump's comments on it abhorrent. I mean, he couldn't

00:49:22.900 even say that he would support a 15 week ban, you know, and who came up with the standard for a 15 week

00:49:28.680 ban? You know, these, these children have, they have heartbeats in the womb. They are being developed.

00:49:32.680 These are not clumps of cells. These are children. And so for me, I cannot sacrifice my

00:49:38.580 integrity to say, oh, I want to win an election more than, you know, stand for the sanctity of

00:49:42.620 life. And so I found Trump's comments on that pretty disheartening. So, you know, not, there

00:49:48.120 hasn't been one Republican candidate who's come out really and said, you know, zero tolerance for

00:49:51.720 abortion, maybe Mike Pence, but according to Trump, he's flip-flopping on this. So it's not like any of

00:49:56.360 them are zero tolerance for abortion, like I would like, but I just, I think we need to expect better

00:50:01.040 from our candidates when it comes to this and not be looking at this big tent type of conservatism.

00:50:05.840 What do you think, Savannah?

00:50:07.780 Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, by the way, Megan, it's an honor to be here. And, you know,

00:50:12.580 it's funny because you mentioned Turning Point USA, you mentioned them being really supportive

00:50:16.000 of Donald Trump. But one of the things I have appreciated about that organization is that they

00:50:20.540 have allowed me to have my own political views. And I've always been a supporter of Donald Trump,

00:50:24.960 but I also disagree with a lot of his politics and his comments regarding abortion are some of those

00:50:30.340 that I do disagree with. Now, I do a lot of reporting on the homeless and drug crisis surrounding

00:50:34.780 America. And I think that the reason why the drug crisis has gotten so out of hand and why we have

00:50:39.760 people that are rotting in the streets that are essentially left to their addictions is because

00:50:45.660 we don't have any respect for the sanctity of human life. And I think that does start in the womb.

00:50:50.600 So I don't agree at all with Donald Trump's statements. Granted, I do think that he is still

00:50:55.380 the candidate who has the most energy behind him, especially with all of the indictments he's being

00:51:00.240 faced with. I still do think he has a lot of that energy and he does speak for a lot of Americans.

00:51:06.080 DeSantis just doesn't have the charisma. I'm going to be honest, Will, I know you like him.

00:51:09.560 I'm sorry to say it, but I do think that when it comes to the charisma needed, the energy needed,

00:51:14.800 the fight needed for 2024 and for where our country is currently at, Donald Trump does bring that.

00:51:20.080 So, again, don't agree with the comments at all. And it's something that we should call out. And I

00:51:24.920 don't think that we should be electing politicians because they are perfect people, because no man is

00:51:30.000 perfect. But people should be calling out Donald Trump on these comments and they were not good.

00:51:35.740 It's funny. A friend of mine was texting me about the Trump interview and she said

00:51:39.020 she and her husband were laughing at some of the asides by Trump because he is. I mean,

00:51:43.640 speaking of charisma, he is very funny. And one of them was, I'm very good friends with the

00:51:48.060 president of Mexico. He's a socialist, but you can't have everything like just

00:51:51.760 references that just sort of make you laugh. Anyway, we'll see. He's he's crushing it right

00:52:00.040 now. And his numbers are only going in one direction. We'll see whether any of these

00:52:02.720 interviews change that at all. I really want to get into I mean, it's like an R rated back half hour

00:52:09.160 today because the number of scandals that I want to go over with you two, I didn't mean to make this

00:52:14.040 like love line with Adam Carolla and, you know, Drew, Dr. Drew. But I do think there's kind of a

00:52:20.700 thread through all the scandals that we're about to discuss. And while I generally try to avoid this

00:52:25.980 stuff because it just feels unseemly and I don't I have no wish to probe people's personal problems

00:52:30.660 or personal lives if they don't cross into my name, my lane of news, they've crossed into my lane of

00:52:36.480 news. So we begin with somebody who I really like and have admired as a governor, and that's Governor

00:52:41.020 Kristi Noem of South Dakota. Now, I had heard the rumors about her and Corey Lewandowski, who is a

00:52:46.240 Trump staffer, who is he's got a sketchy history to be charitable to Corey. She's like he's the one

00:52:52.340 who shoved down Michelle Fields, who worked for Breitbart. That's what led to Ben Shapiro leaving

00:52:55.840 Breitbart. Remember when Ben Shapiro worked for Breitbart back in 2015? He's got a long and sorted

00:53:02.380 history with women. If you just do a simple Google search and you'll see it. He married a 9-11

00:53:06.980 widow and now he's alleged to be having a longstanding affair with Governor Noem. I didn't

00:53:13.740 cover it when American Greatness broke it because it was one publication and they denied it. Well,

00:53:19.640 now the Daily Mail has done a deep dive on this alleged relationship. And I will just say this,

00:53:24.920 the Daily Mail doesn't they don't get these things wrong. In my experience, I can't think of one they've

00:53:28.480 gotten wrong. It's not like the National Enquirer or the Star. You know, like if the Daily Mail gives you

00:53:33.380 the Daily Mail affair treatment, you're probably having an affair. I'm sorry. That's just that's

00:53:37.400 my experience in reading the publication for a long, long time. They are as sort of tabloidy as

00:53:44.580 some people believe they are. They really are fact based and they don't like getting sued. And I don't

00:53:49.580 think that they would print this unless they thought they were bulletproof on it. And they begin their

00:53:53.920 piece, exclusive, married South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem and Trump advisor Corey Lewandowski have been

00:53:59.800 having a years long clandestine affair by saying neither denied the affair when asked by Daily

00:54:05.280 Mail. At most, all they got was a no response from Lewandowski and someone who works for Noem

00:54:11.420 coming out and saying, oh, it's it's no accident that you would come after her right now, right after

00:54:18.120 she backed Trump. All right. Like, I don't like when people say that shit. Like, don't use your politics

00:54:24.180 as did you do it or didn't you? Somebody comes and asked me, did you cheat on Doug? My answer is no,

00:54:28.200 I didn't cheat on Doug. There will be no proof. There'll be no text messages. There'll be no

00:54:32.040 pictures. There'll be nothing to prove that I cheated on Doug because guess what? I did not

00:54:35.600 cheat on Doug. That's the answer. You don't have a third party come out and say, oh, they're just

00:54:39.860 attacking me because I'm pro-Trump. So I am disheartened by the whole thing, especially

00:54:44.180 because I had Kristi Noem on the show when she was pushing her book and I, I felt bad for her

00:54:50.980 because of the, these rumors. I did not believe the rumors. I believed her book. I believed her

00:54:57.200 whole story about her love affair with her husband who she met as a young woman and married. It was

00:55:01.180 like they're only, the only ones they'd ever been with. And here's the exchange we had when she came

00:55:05.920 on my show. There was this absurd rumor about you allegedly having an affair with the Trump staffer

00:55:13.360 years ago. And it was just out of nowhere, but that was from the right. Whenever there's a powerful

00:55:16.720 woman, you can take it to the bank. There's going to be an attack on her. And they say you're

00:55:20.400 either, it's either nuts or sluts. You're crazy or you're a slut.

00:55:24.680 Yeah, absolutely. Creating scandals out of nothing that don't even exist. And now they've gone after

00:55:29.460 my husband and myself. And it's, it's, it's difficult. I'd say it's probably hardest on the

00:55:34.280 family when someone's serving in this job, but I think it also makes you stronger. We honestly don't

00:55:38.600 even read the press that much anymore.

00:55:40.280 Well, shit, because the Daily Mail goes on for paragraphs about the evidence. It's amassed of

00:55:52.260 the private flights they've taken together, the public canoodling they've done together,

00:55:56.720 the GOP events they've attended together while they were holding hands. He had his hands on the

00:56:01.000 small of her back. They looked like they were in open relationship with one another. These are all

00:56:05.600 Republicans saying it's an open secret in Republican circles. They've seen them together

00:56:10.300 a million times. They've been taking private trips together and so on for a long, long time.

00:56:14.440 It's not to suggest I know it's true. I'm basing what I'm saying on the Daily Mail report.

00:56:19.460 But guys, I don't know. This isn't good for somebody who's risen to fame based on her family

00:56:26.880 values platform, her romance with her husband. And on the other hand, you got Lewandowski, who I'm sorry,

00:56:32.700 I'm going to be honest, I can't stand, literally threatened me if I showed up at the second

00:56:38.740 presidential debate when I worked at Fox, threatened me to like to the executive vice president of Fox

00:56:44.440 News. If she shows up, I'm not responsible for what will happen to her. Well, I showed up and I

00:56:49.340 was just fine. But that's the band she's chosen allegedly to have this affair with Savannah.

00:56:54.060 Sorry for the long and rambling wind up. What do you make of it?

00:56:56.760 Oh, OK, so I'm usually not a cultural commentator. So this is a really interesting story to me.

00:57:04.660 And I like to look at things from a realistic perspective. I myself am also a Christian

00:57:09.340 woman. So I want to look at this from the Christian perspective of, OK, who do we want

00:57:13.320 representing America? Who do we want representing our values? Even further, like you just played,

00:57:18.400 Kristi Noem came on your own show and refuted these allegations, said, yeah, you know, they're

00:57:22.760 coming after me because I'm a woman in power. So on the one hand, I want to say that that should

00:57:28.380 be condemned. It is a bad thing. On the other hand, I understand how politics works and people

00:57:32.620 show you what they want you to see at the end of the day, even in conservative politics,

00:57:37.240 because I've been in this industry for a while now, the majority of the people in this industry

00:57:41.260 are not living out the morals and ideals and values that they are promoting, if I'm being

00:57:46.400 honest. And, you know, I hate to have to be honest about that, but it is a reality.

00:57:50.420 So if we're looking for that perfect candidate and again, I'll use Donald Trump as an example,

00:57:54.800 let's not forget his background. Let's not forget that he was, you know, I don't want

00:57:58.860 to call him a womanizer here, but we know he liked the ladies. We've seen his background.

00:58:02.320 We've seen how he used to be with women. We've heard the tapes ourselves. So if you're looking

00:58:07.320 for that perfect politician, you're never going to find it. You know, we're going to be talking

00:58:11.380 about a multitude of scandals here. And I think more than anything, this is just a reflection

00:58:15.700 of our culture, our values, where we are as a society currently. We really don't value

00:58:21.260 marriage, traditional values. We don't marriage or we don't value the family unit anymore.

00:58:27.660 And I think that we're seeing that in our politicians. So on the one hand, I want to say,

00:58:31.920 you know, if you don't want this type of person representing America, if we want to reinstill

00:58:36.500 those values, we need to elect leaders who actually reflect what they say. But on the other hand,

00:58:41.940 I don't know if we necessarily had people willing to be in politics that exist like that. And that

00:58:46.720 is a hard truth, unfortunately.

00:58:49.100 Hmm. Well, I mean, she's raising good points. It's like, OK, so is her alleged affair? Because

00:58:57.040 she's on the shortlist for VP, according to most people. She's he's pushing her. Lewandowski

00:59:01.640 is pushing her as Trump's potential VP. If Trump's had affairs, if Trump's, you know, he's like,

00:59:09.800 there's all sorts of, you know, reports about Trump and his experience with women. People are aware

00:59:15.460 if it's not a deal breaker for him, should it be a deal breaker for her? Is there a sexist double

00:59:20.780 standard? Whether you like it or not, is there one? It's difficult to say, you know, first of all,

00:59:26.600 who knows? It seems pretty likely those things are true. But I think what's important here is that

00:59:32.080 republicanism, conservatism has become a marketing tool for people. And so they know that they can gain

00:59:37.900 notoriety become famous by saying I'm a Republican. They can latch on to the MAGA movement. I mean,

00:59:42.700 now you've got all these people who are not conservative whatsoever, who don't really have

00:59:46.660 republican values, really don't believe in it. But they know that they can make a name for

00:59:50.320 themselves by making fake, stupid videos online, posting the latest conservative memes, whatever it

00:59:55.680 is, and joining into this movement that we have. And again, like I was talking about in the first

00:59:59.720 segment, we now have this big tent conservatism. Instead of saying, these are the things that we really

01:00:04.480 stand for. And there's not a lot of compromise with this, but this is what we really stand for.

01:00:08.200 And allowing everyone to kind of be a part of it. And everyone say, oh, I'm this new super MAGA

01:00:12.440 person. We lose kind of what we've been set out to try and gain in the first place. And this seems

01:00:17.980 like a perfect example of that. Someone who knows that they could gain some sort of notoriety, some

01:00:22.800 sort of fame by hopping onto this movement of being a conservative, but doesn't really actually believe

01:00:27.560 it. And I think that no matter if you're Donald Trump or Rhonda Santis or Kristi Noem or me or

01:00:33.920 whoever it is, if we are going to say we are conservatives, we have to align ourselves with

01:00:39.360 the conservative values because otherwise no one's going to trust us. Why is it that so many young

01:00:43.680 people my age look at politics and say, politics sucks. Politics is stupid. I'm not going to go and

01:00:48.940 vote. They do it because they can't trust anything the politicians say because we've elevated them to

01:00:53.840 this place of famous people instead of public servants. We need to be looking at these people

01:00:58.460 as public servants and not these celebrities we've heralded them as. I feel like if this is true,

01:01:06.440 I would like it if she would come out and say, I had trouble in my marriage. It happens. I'm

01:01:11.300 embarrassed. I made the wrong decision. I'm going to seek my husband's forgiveness and I hope I'll get

01:01:16.200 yours too. That would do it for me. People have trouble in their marriages. 50% of them end in

01:01:21.000 divorce for a reason. They make mistakes, but she is sort of out there in her book and on her book

01:01:27.860 tour, and I can attest to this personally, touting her romance with her husband and what a wonderful

01:01:32.280 marriage they have. If this is bullshit, then we've all been lied to. That does bring it into

01:01:39.060 the political field. It's annoying because I'm the one who said they do this to powerful women. I'm the

01:01:45.140 one who said they call you a nut or a slut, and I feel foolish because it appears this was true,

01:01:50.820 and she was only too happy to go along with my giving her the benefit of the doubt because if

01:01:56.000 the Daily Mail report is true, she was doing it then. She'd been doing it before then, and she

01:01:59.980 continued to do it after then. Open-minded to them coming out and saying, we're suing the Daily Mail

01:02:05.840 for defamation, which is what I would do if they printed this about me in my marriage, right? But

01:02:10.700 we'll see. So anyway, there's that. Okay, that brings me to Russell Brand. This story was everywhere.

01:02:19.820 I mean, could you avoid this story over the past two, three days? The anticipation of the story,

01:02:25.680 then the finally dropping of the story, then the next iteration of the story. He got ahead of the

01:02:30.240 story. For those who have been living under a rock for the past 72 hours, he was accused of rape,

01:02:36.440 sexual assault, and professional misconduct in the sexual lane by several women, at least four,

01:02:43.420 none of whom has given their name. They've used pseudonyms to speak out to UK publications,

01:02:49.120 Channel 4 Dispatches, The Times of London, and forgive me, there was another that's not coming to mind

01:02:55.200 right now. The Sunday Times, there we go. And it goes back, it dates back mostly to 2013 and before.

01:03:04.860 And Russell Brand tried to get ahead of it, because they went to him for comment eight days before they

01:03:10.320 aired the piece, saying, here are all the accusations. They've been working on it for years,

01:03:15.720 according to the reporters. And he tried to get ahead of it with the following denial. We'll play a

01:03:20.200 little bit of what he said. I've received two extremely disturbing letters, or a letter and an

01:03:27.180 email, one from a mainstream media TV company, one from a newspaper, listing a litany of extremely

01:03:35.040 egregious and aggressive attacks. Amidst this litany of astonishing, rather baroque attacks,

01:03:41.480 are some very serious allegations that I absolutely refute. These allegations pertain to the time when I

01:03:48.920 was working in the mainstream, when I was in the newspapers all the time, when I was in the movies,

01:03:52.560 as I've written about extensively in my books, I was very, very promiscuous. Now, during that time

01:03:57.740 of promiscuity, the relationships I had were absolutely always consensual. I was always transparent

01:04:03.200 about that then, almost too transparent. And to see that transparency metastasized into something

01:04:08.720 criminal that I absolutely deny makes me question, is there another agenda at play? Particularly when

01:04:15.700 we've seen coordinated media attacks before. Okay. The first woman to come forward that is

01:04:23.260 cited in the piece is Alice. These are pseudonyms. Alice says she was 16. She's now in her 30s. So it

01:04:29.600 was some 14 years ago, I guess. She said she was 16, he was 30, and then 31, while they had a three-month

01:04:35.720 affair. She was with him over the course of the birthday. 16 and 30, or 31. Alice says he found her on

01:04:43.140 the street in Leicester Square over there in the UK, that he stopped her on the street, grabbed her

01:04:47.920 shopping bags, pulled out a red dress she had just purchased and said, you're wearing this on our

01:04:51.160 first date. That he knew she was 16, that he dated her, he asked if she was a virgin, she said yes,

01:04:57.860 that he became sexually aroused by it, that he did take her virginity, that he bathed her, that he kept

01:05:04.080 referring to her as the child, that he would send, I think he was working for the BBC at the time, BBC too,

01:05:09.760 he would send corporate cars to go pick her up at her high school and bring her to him where they

01:05:16.440 had sex repeatedly. This young woman's mother allegedly objected to the affair, but nonetheless

01:05:24.320 dropped Alice off at Russell Brand's apartment over and over. Mom, that's a fail, fail, that you get an F

01:05:32.020 on your motherhood. Um, but it doesn't excuse the decision-making going on between the pair

01:05:39.500 themselves. 16 is legally okay in the UK for consensual sex at the age of consent. And she

01:05:47.600 has got some very disturbing stories. Okay. Alice, um, claims for example, uh, that there was a sexual

01:05:56.700 assault that was not consensual here. Is this, uh, the actual Alice or is this the actor playing

01:06:02.620 Alice guys in this soundbite that we're going to air? Okay. Cause what they did in some of the

01:06:10.460 cases was hire actresses to repeat the exact testimonials of the actual accusers. Just not

01:06:16.320 sure. Can't, can't remember whether this is actual Alice or the actor playing Alice, either way,

01:06:20.820 Alice's words. Here's her allegation sought 25. I was sat up in the bed up against the headboard

01:06:28.140 and he, um, forced his penis down my throat and I couldn't breathe. It was just choking me and I

01:06:36.980 couldn't breathe. I was pushing him away and pushing him away. And he wasn't, he wasn't backing

01:06:42.880 off at all. And so I ended up having to punch him really hard in the stomach to get him off.

01:06:46.980 And then he like, finally, then he like moved, fell backwards and I was crying and he said,

01:06:55.460 Oh, I only want to see your mascara run anyway. Okay. We believe that's the actual Alice, uh,

01:07:01.560 with her voice disguised now, just as an addendum, uh, according to the reporting,

01:07:05.540 she claims that in this incident, she lay on the side of the bed after the attack,

01:07:10.340 alleging he climbed on top of her, held open her mouth and drooled into it. I was gagging and trying

01:07:16.300 to fight him off me, but he's lying on top of me. So I can't, my limbs are trapped underneath him.

01:07:20.520 And I just thought, why are you doing this? It can't even be any sexual gratification in this.

01:07:25.380 And then he held my mouth shut and made me swallow it. So I was just gagging and crying.

01:07:29.700 Can I just tell you guys, I realized that the knee jerk instinct now by so many is Russell Brand is

01:07:36.060 wrongly accused. These women are all liars. I'm sorry. This is extremely detailed. And in the case of

01:07:41.620 the other woman, there's an actual set of medical records after she went to a rape crisis center,

01:07:46.680 the day of the alleged encounter, plus apologetic begging for forgiveness texts from Russell Brand.

01:07:53.200 Could you please for a second, stay open-minded to the possibility that the women are telling the

01:07:57.920 truth. We don't need to so overcorrect from the me too movement that every woman gets completely

01:08:03.220 disregarded and called a liar. When she finds the guts to come forward and make an allegation,

01:08:08.200 they may be telling the truth. It's worth investigating. We don't need to knee jerk

01:08:13.280 condemn him and we don't need to knee jerk condemn them. I'm just pissed because what I've seen is

01:08:20.400 like a rash of guys coming out to be like, it's bullshit. You don't know whether it's bullshit or

01:08:25.340 not. Did you read the report of this woman? Did you read the rape, the alleged rape details? Did you

01:08:31.540 read the text message that she has from Russell Brand begging for forgiveness? There's at least enough

01:08:36.600 for us to want more facts. That's it. I'm sorry. That's my take on it. You guys are younger and

01:08:42.000 probably more conservative than I am. Maybe you see it more differently than I do. Welcoming other

01:08:47.020 points of view. Will, I'll start with you. Well, I think you were exactly right there when you said

01:08:51.580 look for the facts. And I think you have Russell Brand coming out and saying this didn't happen.

01:08:56.220 You have all these women with, like you said, these very detailed testimonies. And I would like to see

01:09:00.520 something actually happen that proves whether or not he is innocent or guilty. I find it very difficult,

01:09:05.200 especially, I think we've all been rubbed a little raw by the Me Too movement and all this kind of

01:09:09.360 stuff. Aziz and Zari, people like that. And we're all like, well, is this really true or not? And

01:09:13.860 also Russell Brand was someone who was saying things that didn't really align with what the

01:09:17.480 mainstream culture wants. So we're all kind of just, what are we supposed to do here? Do we believe

01:09:21.540 it or not? And so I think what really we should be doing, most of us, and again, this is a very

01:09:26.080 private matter with Russell Brand. Yes, he's a public figure, but I hope that he can figure it out

01:09:30.500 legally and make sure that if he's guilty, he's held accountable. And if he's innocent, he's not.

01:09:35.420 But I think that we as consumers of media and responsible people need to say, OK, let's wait

01:09:40.660 and let's make a rational decision when we can actually have something that gets proven to make

01:09:44.480 sure that we are deciding with the facts actually given to us. I would like to hear his specific

01:09:49.280 denials. I really would, because so far he gave the broad brush. He was provided with all the details.

01:09:54.440 He doesn't have the names, I guess. I don't think anybody has the names other than the reporters.

01:09:57.860 But he would know whether or not he had sex for three months with a 16 year old girl.

01:10:02.580 So I would love to hear a more point by point denial. I don't think we're going to get that

01:10:06.280 until criminal charges have been ruled out, which I think they haven't been. I'm not sure that there

01:10:10.740 was a report that the police were looking into this. Savannah, what is your take on it?

01:10:14.380 I always love to look at these things from a journalistic perspective, and I like to look at

01:10:18.260 both sides. I like to hear from both parties, you know, like you're saying. And I think the Amber Heard-Johnny

01:10:24.220 Depp, you know, trial was a good example of this. Everyone immediately jumped on Amber Heard's side.

01:10:29.580 And then it was found out that, hey, although Johnny Depp as well was not an angel in that

01:10:33.760 relationship, neither was Amber Heard. And we do have to remember that while Russell Brand might

01:10:38.460 have used his celebrity status to take advantage of, again, there's no excuse for taking advantage

01:10:43.160 of a 16 year old girl. There are women as well that would take advantage of, you know,

01:10:48.080 that celebrity status. There are women who do chase celebrities. And there are other women who,

01:10:52.200 as well, will come out and lie about men, especially when they don't agree with their

01:10:56.540 politics. So for me, I look at this as a timing issue as well. I think it's interesting that

01:11:00.980 now that Russell Brand has become extremely popular on an alternative media site, that he's

01:11:07.980 now speaking out about various issues such as COVID-19. He's being very invested in American

01:11:13.460 politics and just pushing back against that narrative that, again, a lot of the mainstream

01:11:18.240 media is consistently pushing us towards in regards to politics. Now this is happening.

01:11:23.080 So the timing of it is interesting to me. However, I'm not also going to come out and say,

01:11:27.680 oh, these women are lying. They're false. Because like you said, both sides of the story should be

01:11:32.160 looked at. Unfortunately, because of the repercussions of the Me Too movement, we don't

01:11:37.160 immediately believe all women when they come forward with these rape charges.

01:11:39.960 We shouldn't believe all women. We shouldn't. We should not immediately. The women do not deserve

01:11:44.200 any sort of a presumption in their favor, period. The Me Too movement proved that. But what we also

01:11:50.000 don't need is to overcorrect the problems of the Me Too movement and go back to, okay, so now they're

01:11:55.800 all liars. They don't even get an open-minded hearing on their claims, especially when you have

01:12:01.020 this many coming forward. It's bullshit that this has become a conservative liberal thing,

01:12:07.520 that now conservatives knee-jerk defend any man accused and liberals knee-jerk believe any woman

01:12:13.700 who makes the accusations. It's wrong. Keep an open mind and a judge on a case-by-case basis.

01:12:21.600 Just because most of us believe Amber Heard made up her allegations doesn't mean that every woman does.

01:12:27.600 I mean, you tell me how there is a text message exchange with a woman who's got a very detailed

01:12:35.200 story. Her name is Nadia. She talks about what he did, how he shoved her against the wall. He was

01:12:40.460 allegedly trying to get her to have a threesome. She refused. She claims he shoved her against the

01:12:45.640 wall of his apartment. He's a lot bigger than she was. He got a glazed look in his eye. That is what

01:12:50.680 another accuser said as well, and raped her without a condom. And she said he then blocked the door

01:12:59.020 and wasn't letting her go. He said, are you okay? I said, I'm not okay. You need to get away from me.

01:13:04.500 He's like, calm down, calm down. She managed to run out. She jumped in her car. 3.29 a.m.

01:13:10.520 They've got the text messages. He sent her a text message. I'm sorry. That was crazy and selfish.

01:13:14.860 I hope you can forgive me. I know that you're a lovely person. X. He tried phoning her at 3.51 a.m.

01:13:20.620 The call went unanswered. There's a long text message exchange that has been printed. She wrote in

01:13:27.520 response to him that he had taken advantage of her, that he had scared the shit out of her.

01:13:32.040 She wrote in the text, do you know how scary you are when that glazed look comes over you? When a

01:13:36.720 girl says no, it means no. Do I have to go and get myself tested? He replied, he was very sorry and

01:13:42.220 wrote, you don't need to get tested. I will make this up to you somehow with, he meant love. He wrote

01:13:46.880 live and con and kindness, not my original idea, which was more sex. You've been lovely to me and

01:13:52.140 I'm embarrassed by my behavior. Sorry. Uh, and on and on it went that night. She went to a rape

01:13:58.340 treatment center at UCLA Santa Monica medical center. That same day, she shared a full copy

01:14:03.320 of her treatment records, which she provided. And she had given them, uh, her underwear,

01:14:08.940 other samples as evidence, which were frozen. An officer from the LAPD was alerted by the center,

01:14:14.640 but she chose not to make a police report saying she did not think her words would mean anything

01:14:18.840 up against his. The notes also state, she was worried that if her assailant's name was somehow

01:14:23.080 released, then her name would get dragged through the mud. She had therapy at the clinic for five

01:14:28.580 months during that therapy record show. She was contemplating criminal, criminal or civil proceedings

01:14:33.480 before ultimately deciding against it. However, she wrote brand a letter in which she confronted

01:14:38.000 him. Do you know what you put me through my body through? You scared the shit out of me.

01:14:41.720 I thought in any situation I would be strong enough to fight someone off. You completely broke me down.

01:14:47.100 Another woman claiming she fought, she had to fight. She had to scream to get him off. I mean,

01:14:52.960 who she, he met in AA, there are multiple detailed accounts. This is not Christine Blasey Ford. So

01:15:01.260 people need to take a moment and look at the allegations because if this guy was screwing a

01:15:07.960 16 year old and doing what she alleged he did, shoving himself down her throat and then spitting

01:15:14.640 in her, in her mouth, I don't give a shit that he's pushing back on COVID or Ukraine or anything.

01:15:20.980 We can find better people to inspire us. And you two know that you two know that. I mean,

01:15:26.420 will you admire Ron DeSantis in any world? You think there's going to be an allegation like this

01:15:31.820 about him? Do you think anybody will come out and say, yes, I realized they're like, oh, he came on

01:15:36.500 to some girl in the high school years ago. There's zero chance that we're going to have six women,

01:15:41.860 four women come forward and say in great detail, he raped me. I went to a rape crisis center.

01:15:46.440 Here's the tax exchange. It's not, there are still good men in politics and in the world. There are.

01:15:54.300 Yeah. It makes it hard to believe with things like this, you know, and of course you hear things like

01:15:58.980 this and it makes you very, I guess you could say cynical for the world around you. And you feel

01:16:02.820 terrible that there aren't really any role models who you can look up to. That's going to really be

01:16:06.960 the people who are supposed to be heroes. You know, we had this trend right now about why are young

01:16:11.240 men thinking about ancient Rome so much? And I did a whole piece on this because ancient Rome and

01:16:16.280 medieval history and World War II, this was a time filled with great men, filled with great

01:16:21.040 civilizations where, where men were doing heroic things for God and heroism. And now we have this

01:16:25.900 culture of men who, what are they doing? Who are, who are the role models for young men to be looking

01:16:30.540 up to right now in America or in the West at all? It's why they're so focused on things in the past

01:16:35.140 because they really don't have anything that they're looking towards. If we inspire people with better

01:16:39.380 role models, with better values, with our elected officials, with our athletes, with our celebrities,

01:16:43.740 with our musicians, with all sorts of people like this, then we can really start to make some

01:16:47.600 positive changes and maybe make an issue like this, not so diabolically divided between Republican

01:16:53.060 and the Democrats. If we can actually have people who are good role models to show us the way, but

01:16:56.940 as of now, it's very easy to get cynical and think that there isn't really anything like that.

01:17:01.520 I just, I don't want to lose our souls in defense of our politics. I, Savannah, I look at my husband,

01:17:08.600 he's a wonderful, good man. No one will ever come forward to say this kind of thing about him.

01:17:14.520 They won't. It would, everyone would know it'd be too far afield. I think about my friend Janice

01:17:18.400 Dean and her firefighter husband, one of the heroes on nine 11, his entire fire company was killed.

01:17:24.060 This is a good man who, who's, who makes an honest living. No one's going to do this to him

01:17:29.660 because it would be too far afield to even try. I'm not saying that there are no women who make false

01:17:34.960 accusations. Again, I do believe we saw that in the Amber Heard case, but I'm very, very concerned

01:17:40.360 about how we're making it a politics thing now. Like you're not a conservative if you believe a

01:17:47.300 woman or you're not a liberal if you don't. Yes, I agree with that completely. And again,

01:17:53.760 the fact that there is evidence for this case, because when these allegations come out, especially

01:18:00.020 when it is geared towards politicians, I'm like, okay, what's the background on this? But we did see the

01:18:04.400 research. You just laid it all out for us. And it's not like these are just blanket claims that

01:18:08.600 are happening from anonymous people. Like this woman went to this treatment center. It was clear

01:18:13.320 that she had to get treatment. It was clear that she had to get therapy for this. So there is evidence

01:18:18.000 to back up these claims. And like you said, it shouldn't be a political thing. And that is

01:18:22.540 something that I wanted to say too, because I am a woman in politics. And to be quite honest with you,

01:18:27.300 being in conservatism, if you speak out at all in any way, shape or form against men,

01:18:31.600 because there are bad men in the world. I understand that men have had their masculinity

01:18:35.620 attacked and that's not right. But also we have cultivated a culture on the right where

01:18:40.280 if you speak out against men in any way, shape or form, and you don't immediately believe them,

01:18:44.720 especially in a situation like this, then you as the woman are told that, you know,

01:18:49.400 you're a radical feminist and that you should be completely disregarded. So this is something that

01:18:54.820 I also too am dealing with and have dealt with behind the scenes. It's honestly why I stray away from

01:18:59.940 cultural commentary, because I just I don't like being berated by men for saying, hey, well,

01:19:04.560 there actually is evidence to back this up. So again, like I said, I still stand by my claims that

01:19:09.180 I think the timing of when this is coming out is interesting. But simultaneously, the fact that

01:19:13.480 there is evidence to back it up is substantial. And if you look at it from just purely a journalistic

01:19:18.460 standpoint here, you can't refute that you can't just completely sideswipe that. And just because

01:19:23.300 Russell Brand may have the correct politics doesn't excuse what he did. Just like again,

01:19:27.820 you know, with Donald Trump, it's like, I'm not going to sit here and say that, oh,

01:19:31.560 Donald Trump didn't really mean that about abortion in six weeks in the 15 week ban,

01:19:35.280 because I like him. No, we need to understand to that, you know, while politicians aren't going

01:19:40.220 to be perfect, like we do need to have some type of moral or values in society. And we need to protect

01:19:44.840 women. And when I say that, I mean that in the sense of we need strong men who are good leaders

01:19:49.720 with good values that are willing to protect women by understanding that, you know, we are not as strong

01:19:56.240 as men, that we are inherently and biologically different. And a strong man should want to

01:20:02.260 protect women and create and cultivate a safe society for all women and children.

01:20:06.600 I really it can't be that it's just like a conservative thing now to disbelieve all women.

01:20:14.840 It it cannot be. I will fight that to my dying day. And the other thing is he's been canceled by

01:20:21.740 virtually everyone now. He's kind of uncancelable because he has a very popular YouTube show.

01:20:25.940 And that's good. That's fine. I'm not saying he should not have the ability to offer his social

01:20:30.740 commentary and that his fans shouldn't have access to him. But I would like to see more of a pause

01:20:36.200 before the knee jerk cancellation. Give him a chance to take it. Like, I understand why he didn't

01:20:41.180 get detailed on his initial denial. He may be looking at some serious legal problems,

01:20:44.920 but like the knee jerk cancellations are a little hasty, too. Let's let's give him a chance to digest this.

01:20:50.740 Let's not ruin the man's life. Let's actually find out whether anybody here has a motive to lie

01:20:56.020 or got fired by him and is bitter. All that should probably come out and we should be open minded to

01:21:02.900 their biases, too. You know, it's that's that's where we have to go. I know we have to take a quick

01:21:07.900 break, but I do want to get to this story before we do it. Lauren Boebert, I'm going to say something

01:21:12.080 different about her representative out of Colorado, very tight race. She almost lost. She's you know,

01:21:17.120 they describe her as far right. She got caught in a movie theater or it was a some sort of a show.

01:21:25.460 What is it? A play? Anyway, a musical. And she and her boyfriend were groping each other. We have

01:21:31.680 the tape. Here it is. Yeah, just video. So there they are. It's pretty aggressive. He's fondling the

01:21:40.460 breasts. She's fondling the crotch. She's being like roundly because she got thrown out of this thing

01:21:46.620 because she was, I guess, vaping, which then she publicly denied. But then they had tape of it,

01:21:51.400 which I think is how we got them looking at the tape of her because she denied she had done it.

01:21:56.360 She got thrown out. I mean, it's pretty aggressive. I wouldn't. If these two were doing that next to me

01:22:00.120 and I had a kid there, I would say, hey, get a room. But I have to say, past that, I'm really not

01:22:08.240 that like she has the hots for the boyfriend. Like it's not. Do we really? I don't really care about

01:22:13.580 this. I'm trying to care. I'm not like a huge Lauren Boebert defender, but like they were they

01:22:18.400 were kind of racy in a public place. They were had the hots for each other. They should have taken it

01:22:21.420 to a private room. This one bothers me less. Am I what? I don't know. Am I misjudging it? What do

01:22:25.860 you guys think? Well, I think what matters most to me is that apparently afterwards when she walked

01:22:31.660 out, she said or was getting kicked out of the show, whatever it may be. She said, do you know who I

01:22:36.080 am? And to me, that's that's the worst thing about it is that she would have that sort of hubris to

01:22:42.040 come on and say, do you know who I am? I'm this this big congressman woman. And, you know, this is

01:22:46.740 wait, maybe she was saying, like, do you know who I am? Oh, thank God. Never mind. I'm Marjorie

01:22:50.520 Taylor Greene. Bye. Yeah, exactly. That probably it might be the case. But, you know, there's this

01:22:55.240 level of narcissism these politicians have with something like this, that they can't be held accountable

01:22:59.420 like they're some, you know, a list celebrity actor or something and they can do no wrong. That's

01:23:04.780 just that's nonsense. That's nonsense. We pay their salaries. We elect them into office. They are

01:23:09.520 essentially our employees. They need to start acting like it and not being these pompous assholes who

01:23:15.140 think they can just get away with this stuff. What do you think, Savannah? You know, I was kind of

01:23:21.220 of the same vein here where I was struggling to care about it. To be quite honest with you, I saw this

01:23:26.160 video and I was like, OK, are her boobs real or fake? That's really what I want to know here.

01:23:29.420 Because they look huge in this video. I just that was my honest takeaway here. But I think

01:23:34.360 at the end of the day, what it comes down to is Colorado, right? That's their elected

01:23:38.100 representative. Do they is that who they want representing them on a political? I guess if

01:23:44.960 you look at the political aspect of this, are they happy with how she's representing them?

01:23:49.100 And is she representing their voices? Or are they going to look at this and say, OK, yeah,

01:23:53.760 kind of racy. We don't want to be represented in that way. We don't like that. I think that's

01:23:57.300 kind of what needs to be taken into consideration here. And it's up to the voters at that point.

01:24:01.280 But to me, it's like, OK, yeah, she's an adult. A thousand percent. I wouldn't have done that in

01:24:05.040 a theater. No. Yeah, it's like I don't want you're a moron kid. Yeah, exactly. I'm like,

01:24:11.800 this is kind of teenage behavior. But also, you know, Warren Boebert going through a divorce

01:24:16.140 politicians as well. Still humans, too. They have their own lives. They're going to make mistakes.

01:24:21.200 And I hope she learns from this one. Maybe not to be so racy in public. We'll see what ends up

01:24:25.760 happening. But I think it goes down to the voters and what they decide. Get a room.

01:24:31.040 Get a room. It's fine. You're hot for your boyfriend. Good for you, sister. Take it to behind

01:24:37.060 doors. We don't need to look at it. We don't want to be a part of it. Of course, I think Russell Brand is

01:24:42.060 not a conservative. I'm not sure we can. I don't know how you describe his politics. Certainly

01:24:45.500 Kristi Noem is. Laura Boebert is. But the woman in Virginia running for assembly, who's a hot mess

01:24:52.700 and is putting her sex acts online for money, is a Democrat. She's all Democrat and she's getting

01:24:59.160 defended by other Democrats. That's where we will pick it up after this quick, quick break. More with

01:25:04.340 Savannah Will in a minute. I want to first talk about Susanna Gibson. I mean, now this is the

01:25:11.880 lowest of the low. This, this is a problem. This woman is a candidate for the Virginia Statehouse

01:25:17.620 who solicited money from people reading from the Daily Wire report, people online for her to perform

01:25:23.320 sex acts on video with her husband. Daily Wire reporting this may have violated Virginia's

01:25:28.620 prostitution law, but she doesn't seem to find it a problem. She's claiming this was an illegal

01:25:34.680 invasion of her privacy, even though she's the one who posted the video of herself and her husband

01:25:40.160 doing the deed. My God, you're disgusting. You're a pig. Okay. I'm sorry. You're a pig.

01:25:47.020 And now she's claiming the victim that her privacy has been invaded. Even the New York

01:25:52.140 Times called this a leak, even though the news outlets reporting on it, we're only informing

01:25:56.280 readers of the conduct, not linking to her videos. And it's not just her. The leader of the Virginia

01:26:02.320 Senate, a Democrat named Louis Lucas said her behavior was all the more reason to give her

01:26:09.540 money. They want like open up this time for being a politician, not for being a slut. I'm sorry. This

01:26:17.300 is disgusting. I'm stunned. And by the way, the Associated Press had the story. They were tipped off

01:26:23.960 to the pornographic content on September 5th. They chose not to do anything with it. They went to her.

01:26:30.620 They told her about the video. And then she appeared to have taken down the video in the

01:26:35.740 days after the AP alerted her that it had been discovered. So then finally, after it broke,

01:26:41.960 thanks to others, the AP finally covered it. I mean, that's that's our media today. If that were

01:26:47.280 a Republican, it would have been a very different way of handling it. Savannah.

01:26:51.140 Absolutely. And I think we can see this with the fact that this kind of came out simultaneously

01:26:55.020 with the Boebert story and look at the reporting between the two. Boebert has been called people

01:27:00.680 called for her to resign. They're like, she's unfit for office, this and that. But then you have a

01:27:05.360 literal prostitute here and they're like, oh, you guys know it's fine. You know, basically being a

01:27:09.940 politician is like being a prostitute anyway. So you guys should just give her more money anyway.

01:27:13.940 It's fine. It's fine. So it's just hilarious to me to see more than anything, the media hypocrisy in

01:27:20.360 this. And again, like I was talking about earlier, is this who we want representing American values?

01:27:26.200 I really do wish the average American would understand how we are looked at on an international

01:27:31.400 stage. That was such a big media talking point during the Trump years, right, that we were an

01:27:35.560 international laughingstock because of who our president was. Well, now we have Joe Biden in

01:27:39.500 office who can't even string together a sentence. And then we're also looking at potentially electing

01:27:43.780 officials who knowingly put out pornography. And instead of taking responsibility for it,

01:27:48.740 maybe saying, hey, yeah, that probably wasn't the right thing to do. I regret making that decision

01:27:53.340 instead doubles down on being the victim. It's just the perfect encapsulation of American politics

01:28:00.340 and the victim mentality that we consistently see in this country. And, you know, this this entire

01:28:06.740 state is going to suffer if they elect this woman, because just the mentality alone is a reflection of how

01:28:13.560 she will run her state. She's disgusting. I mean, Lauren Boebert was turned on by her boyfriend.

01:28:18.740 in a theater and behaved kind of inappropriately. Christy Noem accused at worst of having an

01:28:23.940 extramarital affair. It's not like she hurt her family. That's her obligation to her family.

01:28:27.800 It's not like she was stealing from the public coffers or something, you know, truly like fireable.

01:28:33.980 This woman is running for office after having prostituted herself out on the Internet for money,

01:28:41.420 Will. And we're supposed to just say, oh, live and let live. That's fine. In your book,

01:28:46.520 in your book, chapter one, A Brave New World, you write a side, a society dominated by sin

01:28:53.520 and perversion where there is no moral compass because morality is relegated to a relic of the

01:29:00.120 past is what we are dealing with right now that we need to there needs to be a correction against

01:29:06.060 this trend. That's a good line by me. I got to say, it's pretty spot on looking at all these stories

01:29:11.800 that just happened. I mean, look, but this is what happens. Nietzsche, I think, said it best when

01:29:15.600 he said God is dead and we have killed him. What happens when you have a post-Christian world in

01:29:19.360 the West? You have leftism become religion because humanity, people are inherently religious, whether

01:29:24.280 that's climate gods from thousands of years ago to Judaism, Islam, Christianity, whatever it is,

01:29:29.220 people will look towards some sort of religion. If we kill Christianity in the West,

01:29:32.800 people will look towards leftism. And so when you are a member of this religion,

01:29:36.060 like this lady is, this lady putting these acts online and doing all this, you're a member of

01:29:40.480 this religion, or the lady. Oh, I guess that's a little bit too nice. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like,

01:29:47.380 oh, is she trans or something? Okay. The woman, the female person who did this obviously is a cult of

01:29:55.380 this leftism, part of this, this religion of leftism. And so because of that, she can do no wrong. Just

01:29:59.780 like you want, these leftist outlets won't say anything wrong about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden is

01:30:04.100 basically protected from his wrongdoing, you know, only one out of the 12 charges and all this.

01:30:08.820 So the left will protect its own. Whereas conservatives are so busy, worried about

01:30:12.400 fighting and, you know, who's more conservative here, who's more conservative here and fighting

01:30:16.020 against each other. This is why the left wins because they will always have the back of the

01:30:19.520 people who support the church of leftism. I mean, this is, this brings us back to our earlier

01:30:23.460 discussion because the Republicans, the conservatives used to be, you know, for better or for worse,

01:30:28.240 the party that was more associated with moral values, like family values. And they would

01:30:34.060 get shit for being too, you know, highbrow for being too judgmental for lecturing others on how

01:30:40.580 they're supposed to live. And I remember Roger Ailes used to say, you know, conservatives are

01:30:44.760 worried about this. They don't want to be called a hypocrite, but at least they're trying, at least

01:30:48.780 they're trying. Um, this is what I'm worried about. You know, that, that Savannah, that the answer is

01:30:54.800 not to just abandon all principle and morals and be like them, you know, who wants to be like this

01:30:59.880 woman in Virginia, you know, and that's not to say anybody's without sin, right? Like everybody

01:31:05.420 is with sin and we're all going to fall down on the job. We're all going to do things we're

01:31:08.900 embarrassed of. That doesn't mean you can't look at this conduct or the conduct that we've been

01:31:13.180 discussing and say, that's wrong. I don't want it. I don't like it. And I, I wouldn't vote for it.

01:31:19.140 And in this situation, this woman's not even yet elected. They have a chance to stop her.

01:31:24.380 Exactly. There's no more shame in our society. And like you just talked about too, it is a major

01:31:30.920 issue. Uh, instead of this politician coming forward and again, apologizing for this saying

01:31:36.980 that it was indeed inappropriate. We as a society double down and say, no, she's the victim. We need

01:31:42.720 to be covering for her because this was an attack on her privacy. No, she made these public herself.

01:31:47.920 And this again, goes back to the degradation of our morals and our values where now we're not even

01:31:54.440 trying, we're completely throwing them out the window. And it's really just heartbreaking to see,

01:31:58.600 you know, I was reading another story too, about how, because of the way John Fetterman dresses now,

01:32:02.880 the way that they dress in the Senate, well, you don't have to wear a suit and tie. Now, a lot of

01:32:06.320 people might read that story and be like, oh yeah, okay, whatever. Yeah. Why is it important? It is

01:32:10.880 important because we are the United States of America. We are supposed to be a world superpower. Not only that,

01:32:15.760 but we should have, uh, you know, just some type of pride in our country, some type of pride in our

01:32:21.660 leaders and our politicians, some type of morals or values. When you have a health secretary pretending

01:32:26.400 to be a woman and just absolutely degrading what it even means to be a woman, it just goes to show

01:32:31.000 that we don't care about our country anymore. We have an entire generation that's been raised to hate

01:32:35.320 our country. And that's why we're in such a decline right now. So again, even the fact that this woman

01:32:40.600 is running and the fact that she's being protected just goes to show where our society is at, where

01:32:45.960 culture is at, that yes, we are a God, the society. If you look at the statistics of the amount of,

01:32:51.240 you know, people going to church from generation to generation, we are in one of the generations,

01:32:57.040 Gen Z that goes to church, the least of all. And we see that reflected every single day. And it's,

01:33:02.060 it's heartbreaking. You know, well, I remember when I was growing up, my dad, uh, who is an English,

01:33:07.200 uh, scholar and education scholar would say, I, he'd say the fancy words at dinner. And I'd always

01:33:12.720 say, speak English can understand you. And he would always say, Megan, I will not lower my vocabulary

01:33:18.540 to meet yours. You must raise yours to meet mine. And we have lowered the standard in the Senate to

01:33:24.440 meet that of John Fetterman. That's what we've done. Instead of stopping the shorts and the hoodie,

01:33:31.280 we've embraced it. Now they're all going to look like schleps when they're in there doing the

01:33:34.920 people's business. It's disgraceful. Yeah. We have a lazy and weak culture where people think

01:33:40.780 that these kinds of things are okay. Instead of having any sort of pride in yourself or pride in

01:33:45.000 the way you look, it's just, Oh, it doesn't really matter. Nothing really matters. Everything's

01:33:48.820 subjective. The only thing that really matters again, is being a part of this church of leftism.

01:33:53.000 If you have the right quote unquote, right ideas, according to these people, you can do anything.

01:33:59.100 It does not matter what you do. As long as you believe in the black lives matter stuff,

01:34:03.300 believe that you can have an abortion, quote unquote, abortion after birth,

01:34:06.840 believe that someone is a woman when they're really a man, climate change, all these things.

01:34:10.680 As long as you believe in all this stuff, you can do anything you want and be as lazy and mediocre

01:34:14.880 and miserable and ugly and terrible as possible because that's what they want. They don't want a

01:34:20.040 world of beautiful things and beautiful people. Just to be frank, they don't want that. They want

01:34:24.940 this ugly, dumbed down world where it's easy to control people because they're lazy and look for the

01:34:29.780 easy mint of life. Well, this, this is why just to put a period on the Russell brand discussion,

01:34:34.840 people are reluctant to go down this lane because even if you believe everything that's been alleged

01:34:42.160 against him, why is he getting targeted? Why, why aren't we doing the deep dive on the more left

01:34:48.160 leaning Hollywood actors or people out there with their platforms, right? Guys hosting more left wing

01:34:54.440 shows. Why aren't we doing that? I mean, I think people, I don't think he's wrong that he became a lot

01:34:59.240 more interesting to these reporters because of his politics, which is what makes a lot of us say,

01:35:04.340 I don't care. But that's why I land in like, he shouldn't be canceled. You know, like if he has

01:35:08.660 legal problems, it should play out in a legal forum, but he shouldn't be canceled. If the consumer wants

01:35:12.720 to keep listening to Russell brand, they should absolutely have that opportunity. There's a comedian

01:35:15.880 out there right now, Hassan Minaj, who's rumored to be potentially taking over on the daily show.

01:35:21.520 Who's got a long list of lies. My God, he's never stopped lying about his fake

01:35:25.140 grievances on race and so on. They were completely exposed by the New Yorker in a spectacular way.

01:35:32.680 The left doesn't care. He's getting a total pass. No problem. He's a serial fabulist making up

01:35:37.640 terrible stories about cops in our country to make himself look like a victim. Where's the deep dive

01:35:42.700 on him? Thank you, New Yorker for doing it. But I'm just saying in too often, too, in too many

01:35:46.960 instances, the left gets the pass and nobody does the deep dive and the Russell brands of the world get

01:35:52.020 the scrutiny. So in any event, it's all frustrating. I do want to urge people to support Will. Buy his

01:35:57.580 book. It's called Do Not Comply. It comes out tomorrow. And you're such a young and interesting,

01:36:03.180 innovative thinker, Will. And Savannah, it's so nice to meet you. Please come back.

01:36:07.100 Thank you. Thank you so much. God bless you, Megan.

01:36:09.760 All the best. You too. I want to tell you that tomorrow we have a big guest on. No,

01:36:14.840 it's not Lauren Boebert. It's Doug Brunt. We're excited to have Doug Brunt on the show. He's got a

01:36:19.420 brand new book out tomorrow and we'll spend the full day with him. See you then.

01:36:25.380 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 18, 2023

Trump's Abortion Strategy, and Allegations Against Russell Brand, with David Sacks, Will Witt, and Savanah Hernandez ｜ Ep. 629

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