The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's ＂Civilization Will Die Tonight＂ Iran Warning, and Tucker's Harsh Critique, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 1290

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.400 It is Tuesday, April 7th, and all eyes are on Iran.

00:00:19.440 As a reminder, President Trump posted on Truth Social on Easter Sunday morning,

00:00:23.760 quote, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day, all wrapped up in one in Iran.

00:00:30.560 There will be nothing like it. Open the fucking straight, F-U-C-K-I-N apostrophe. 1.00

00:00:37.360 You crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah, unquote. 1.00

00:00:44.800 Mr. Trump later clarified the deadline is at 8 p.m. Eastern tonight. Reports have been all over

00:00:51.260 the place on whether or not the U.S. and Iran are close to reaching a deal. But as of this broadcast,

00:00:56.320 the Strait of Hormuz is still closed. And President Trump this morning on True Social

00:01:00.640 was not mincing words. I mean, truly, just taking it to the next level. Quote,

00:01:08.240 a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen,

00:01:14.460 but it probably will. However, now that we have complete and total regime change,

00:01:20.100 where different, smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily

00:01:26.240 wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight one of the most important moments

00:01:32.340 in the long and complex history of the world. 47 years of extortion, corruption and death

00:01:39.660 will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran.

00:01:44.520 now as you can imagine that post did not go over well with the iranians or with many americans 0.99

00:01:54.660 i mean i don't know about you but i am sick of this shit i'm just i'm sick of it can't he just 0.99

00:02:02.780 behave like a normal human i mean honestly like the president i 3d chess just shut up 1.00

00:02:10.180 Fucking shut up about that shit. You don't threaten to wipe out an entire civilization. 1.00

00:02:17.420 We're talking about civilians just casually in a social media post. You know, like, I am the first

00:02:27.460 to try to understand Trump and his strategy and to not freak out over his weird social media posts

00:02:35.740 and language that is loose and incendiary.

00:02:39.100 Truly, I've lived with it for 10 plus years.

00:02:42.200 I learned it the hard way

00:02:43.500 when I was on the receiving end of it for nine months.

00:02:45.820 And truly, I think that was a gift to me in many ways

00:02:47.840 because it helped me really come to understand

00:02:50.320 what he does with his social media. 0.94

00:02:52.780 But this is completely irresponsible and disgusting. 0.86

00:02:58.520 This is wrong. 0.65

00:03:00.120 It's wrong.

00:03:01.700 He should not be doing it.

00:03:03.300 I don't care that it's a negotiation. 0.98

00:03:04.860 his negotiation tactic is to kill an entire country full of civilians, men, women, and

00:03:11.320 children, an American president, so that the Strait of Hormuz will be open? It's just wrong. 0.84

00:03:19.080 It's not hard to say it. It's not hard to recognize it. I wish he would stop doing this.

00:03:26.020 Like, he can't negotiate without doing this? What does that say about him?

00:03:30.280 What does that say about the the position that our country is in right now in these negotiations? He's got it. He's got to say this. He can't be a dignified, strong leader without threatening a bunch of war crimes. 0.80

00:03:46.900 like he what is he Genghis Khan like what what is he trying to do and why can't he do it

00:03:56.440 with strength threats sure go for it that don't diminish and demean the United States of America

00:04:05.740 in this way all right the Wall Street Journal reporting that Iran has broken off direct

00:04:12.640 communications with America because of the president's threat, but that talks still

00:04:18.220 continue through mediators. Who knows? But the hour approaches. So where does that leave us?

00:04:24.360 Joining me now to try to make sense of all of this is Glenn Greenwald. He's a Pulitzer Prize

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00:05:51.180 Glenn, great to see you. Your take on the president's latest negotiation tactic,

00:05:58.200 which is his supporters have run to X and elsewhere to say,

00:06:03.960 you can't take him literally, the old Selena Zito. You take him seriously, but not literally.

00:06:11.080 That's what the likes of Mark Levin are literally posting on X right now. It's seriously,

00:06:17.200 but not literally. This is the same crowd that has been lecturing us. President Trump doesn't

00:06:22.420 bluff. So which is it? He doesn't bluff and he really is prepared to wipe out Iranian civilization 1.00

00:06:29.560 tonight or take him seriously, but not literally. It's just a tactic. Move on, you hysterical

00:06:37.120 panicans. Yeah, I think there's a lot to say. I mean, I want to echo first what you said,

00:06:42.520 which is I'm somebody who has spent a decade now insisting that liberals and the left restrain

00:06:48.800 their reactions to everything that Trump says, that he purposely exaggerates, that he says

00:06:54.980 things to provoke a response. It's part of what made him this big Manhattan real estate salesman.

00:07:01.880 You know, you kind of like say this is the greatest building ever in history.

00:07:04.920 You threaten litigation. I've seen him do that. I was a litigator in Manhattan for

00:07:08.760 more than a decade when he was at his prime and in his tabloid years. And I saw him do that many

00:07:14.260 times. So there has been a huge overreaction on the part of liberals to these kinds of utterances

00:07:19.620 in the past. That said, there's a big difference between saying when Robert Mueller dies,

00:07:25.840 oh, I'm really glad he's dead, even though he's a war hero and ran the FBI and whatever.

00:07:31.460 You know, you can understand that. And it doesn't really have any real world consequences,

00:07:34.420 even if I just like it. I don't particularly like celebrating people's deaths that way.

00:07:39.740 But that is a whole different universe from being someone who is the leader of the most

00:07:46.640 powerful country in the world, the nuclear armed power currently at war. We're blowing up Iranian 1.00

00:07:52.040 bridges and schools and oil refineries and poisoning their air and their water. We've

00:07:57.860 killed huge numbers of civilians starting on the first day when we evaporated 170 young

00:08:03.940 Iranian schoolgirls, not deliberately, but nonetheless, they're dead all the same. 1.00

00:08:08.300 And this has been going on all throughout. Something for which we still have not taken

00:08:11.700 responsibility, even though the American president knows it happened. It was not deliberate. But what

00:08:17.860 you do when you make a mistake of that caliber is you own it, you apologize for it, and you

00:08:22.700 restate the principles to which we are committed, which does not include bombing civilians and does

00:08:27.540 include expressing regret once we've done it. Keep going, Glenn. Well, right. I mean, you apologize

00:08:33.220 and take accountability if it's something that you're actually concerned about. But if you have

00:08:37.140 kind of a reckless indifference to life, which, again, I don't think the United States government

00:08:42.460 or the military, I'm quite certain, would do that on purpose for no other reason than it completely

00:08:46.780 undermines their own self-interest. I don't think the U.S. military goes around massacring

00:08:51.340 young schoolgirls on purpose. Nonetheless, the whole point of this war was supposed to be

00:08:56.540 that we, at least in part, were there because we wanted to liberate and save and bring freedom to

00:09:02.860 the Iranian people. This was what we heard in the months leading up to the war, that the Iranian

00:09:06.720 government was violent and repressive, had killed tens of thousands of protesters. How many depends

00:09:11.600 on the day. But then you enter a war and it's not just, quote unquote, collateral damage or even

00:09:17.600 being a little bit reckless. Now we're at the point where we're threatening to eradicate their

00:09:22.720 quote unquote civilization. And it's not like this is just a one off today, Megan. He over the weekend

00:09:28.200 called a bunch of reporters, including ABC News' Rachel Scott, where he said, yeah, I'm basically

00:09:33.640 on the verge. If we don't get a deal tomorrow, I'm going to destroy the whole country. And she 0.99

00:09:37.680 said, you mean the whole country? Is anything off the table? And he's like, basically, no,

00:09:41.320 very little. He also, as you pointed out on Easter Sunday, said that the next thing we're

00:09:46.180 going to do is destroy all of their power plans, meaning we're going to eliminate the possibility

00:09:50.980 for energy in Iran, which is what hospitals run on, schools run on, young people who are sick,

00:09:56.560 use them on incubators obviously it's necessary for a civilized life and these are not idle

00:10:05.060 threats because he has been doing things like bombing bridges but what let's say it is an idle

00:10:10.360 threat let because he has made these threats before giving them deadlines and then extended

00:10:14.700 them even though Iran really hasn't asked for any extensions let's say we get to eight o'clock

00:10:19.260 tonight and he's like haha just kidding I'm not really going to do anything or he does something

00:10:22.940 like a tiny fraction of what he vowed to do. What then happens to the word of the American

00:10:28.340 president or the credibility of American threats? How does anyone take this seriously in the world

00:10:33.060 if we go through and, well, I could see him doing something. I agree, but that's not how it

00:10:37.340 happened. This is how it would happen. If history is any guide, what will happen is between now and

00:10:44.520 then he will say the Iranians have been totally reasonable and they have come to the table ready

00:10:51.820 to negotiate. And finally, we have a chance at real peace with this new, rational, much less

00:11:00.620 radical leadership. I congratulate them on a very smart decision. And therefore, the eight o'clock

00:11:06.300 deadline is off. He'll back down. There's no doubt in my mind that Trump does not plan on

00:11:12.660 eradicating the Iranian civilization. He is not a madman. He doesn't intend on causing

00:11:19.620 intentionally millions of civilian deaths. He's just saying it, which is just, I mean,

00:11:24.760 that's better than actually planning on doing it. But it's such a crude, inappropriate,

00:11:31.580 offensive negotiation tactic. I'm sure there are people sitting in Iran tonight wondering whether

00:11:38.980 this is their last night on earth because they don't know President Trump as well as we do.

00:11:43.880 And they've been told nothing but terrible things about him. He's not being responsible

00:11:48.140 in his messaging. And why is this necessary? What's happened that we are in such a weakened

00:11:55.100 position that we now have to start saying stuff like this, Glenn, in order to get the Iranians

00:12:00.720 where we want them? Megan, I agree with you insofar as if I were forced to bet or set odds,

00:12:07.520 I would set them overwhelmingly against not just Trump using nuclear weapons, which, you know,

00:12:12.400 it's just should be unthinkable. But even inflicting the kind of systematic damage that

00:12:18.440 would, you know, eliminate all Iranian power because it's just such a horrific war crime 1.00

00:12:22.860 that it's irreversible. But I think what's so important to realize here is that whether Trump

00:12:28.580 was deceived or whether he miscalculated, the Iranians have demonstrated a kind of strength

00:12:33.940 that has put the United States in an extremely difficult position. Trump isn't just saying,

00:12:39.500 oh, we have to negotiate. He's saying in a very specific goal, the Strait of Hormuz has to be

00:12:45.620 open. Now, obviously, the Strait of Hormuz was open before this war. It only closed as a result

00:12:53.020 of the war. It's so bizarre, Megan, that this war now seems to be about rectifying a problem that

00:12:59.000 did not exist before the war began, that was created only as a result of the war itself,

00:13:04.520 namely the Strait of Hormuz being closed. The Strait of Hormuz was fully open before this war.

00:13:10.180 Iran closed it only as a reaction to being attacked by Israel and the United States.

00:13:14.980 And the possibility that Iran will reopen the Strait of Hormuz without a full-scale

00:13:21.680 cessation of this war and guarantees that it won't happen in the future is basically zero.

00:13:26.460 Why would they open the Strait of Hormuz? They're charging a lot of money and making a lot of money

00:13:30.100 off it. It gives them a lot of leverage that they didn't previously have. And they've shown the

00:13:34.820 ability and it's ongoing to launch cruise missile, ballistic missiles. This is the real danger with

00:13:40.140 wars. You know, we almost came to nuclear annihilation with the Russians in 1961, not 0.99

00:13:44.760 because either side wanted to, not because either side was crazy or madmen. It was just wars create

00:13:52.040 all kinds of misperceptions and miscommunication and fears that if you don't act first, you're

00:13:59.200 going to get acted upon. And that's why wars are so dangerous. That's why we ought to oppose them.

00:14:04.340 Trump doesn't care what he said before. He has zero commitment to consistency. So he will be

00:14:09.040 happy to say, oh, they're being much more reasonable. They've listened to me and they've

00:14:15.060 come to see reason. And now we've negotiated, entered into serious negotiations about

00:14:20.740 a great settlement that will make everybody happy and it will, my God, make Iran great again. He

00:14:27.660 won't, he won't require them to close, to reopen the street because they're not going to do that

00:14:32.340 tonight. Um, so it's either that or the beginning of world war three. One of those two things is 0.67

00:14:39.780 about to happen and we really don't know which, and that's not great. That's really not great.

00:14:45.540 Glenn. I mean, there, there isn't a person in America other than the, the far rabid, uh,

00:14:54.480 neocons, Mark Levin, Lindsey Graham, Ben Shapiro, that wants this thing to escalate.

00:15:01.740 And yet that is the president's other option. Either he does the taco, you know, whatever,

00:15:08.280 save face. I don't care. Do it. Do the damn taco. Or he escalates. And we are in the professor

00:15:15.780 pape escalation cycle where it you get trapped into reciprocal escalations that equal a quagmire.

00:15:25.360 So, you know, I'll take taco every day of the week. I don't care. But you tell me what you

00:15:31.200 think Trump is about to do. Well, I mean, again, I also doubt that that he's going to do something

00:15:38.440 extreme or something that is some kind of historic evil. And maybe it's just because in these cases,

00:15:45.460 We can't fathom that it will happen. We so want it not to happen that maybe that influences our perception of the likelihood that it will. But I agree with you that he will try and find a way out of this. My big concern is, though, you know, you said that there's other than this, like, very extremist faction, nobody wants this war to escalate.

00:16:04.560 The problem is, is that he really does seem to be listening to this extremist faction. I mean, I think a lot of people, myself included, believe that he would never fall into the trap of getting the United States involved in a major Middle East war again, unless some country attacked us first, which of course didn't happen.

00:16:21.220 And yet here we are. And, you know, when you talk about people like Mark Levin or Laura Loomer, these are people who have for a long time basically been saying that Iranian civilization needs to be nuked and they need to be wiped out.

00:16:35.060 And these do seem to be the people that he's listening to. Now, again, maybe that's part of the ruse.

00:16:40.580 Maybe that's part of, you know, he liked having John Bolton next to him in the first administration because he said he was so crazy that it actually deterred aggression or made people, you know, think twice.

00:16:49.380 Maybe he likes having Mark Levin and Laura Loomer and crazy people like this, you know, as the face of the administration.

00:16:55.520 But it's hard to discount their influence when we are now involved in a major war into the sixth week that has no end in sight.

00:17:05.280 You cannot discount their influence.

00:17:07.540 I mean, just on Sunday, Trump was tweeting out that the Supreme Court needs to watch Mark Levin's show on Fox on Sunday nights,

00:17:15.760 which would double his viewership. It would if if they would, if those nine justices would watch.

00:17:22.040 It's incredible. He has absolutely no fan base, none whatsoever, except for the president of the

00:17:28.560 United States, who's obsessed with this far rabid. Again, I'm not gonna say far right, far left. He's

00:17:34.400 a far rabid neocon who is desperate. He is dripping drool at the thought of seeing more Iranians die. 0.97

00:17:42.760 And some of us, some of us did care that the Iranians were bombing their own people when they were trying to protest on the streets and said that was deeply wrong and haven't been Iran apologists.

00:17:53.420 And some of us continue to care about those same people being threatened by our own president tonight.

00:17:59.660 OK, like there's some of us are completely consistent because that's Mark Levin's latest position.

00:18:04.540 Like, how dare if you didn't complain about Iran killing its own people, you can't complain about the president's threats.

00:18:08.220 First of all, you are not in charge of what people believe and say on the Internet.

00:18:12.980 And second of all, some of us have been perfectly consistent.

00:18:16.280 We're against killing, against killing.

00:18:19.100 That's been our position.

00:18:20.900 And Mark Levin certainly cannot say that about himself.

00:18:23.220 But it's disgusting how much influence he has.

00:18:26.380 Sean Ryan has a better take.

00:18:27.940 He responded to the president's post by saying, writing, a few weeks ago, Trump said he was

00:18:33.660 going to liberate the Iranian people from an evil regime. 0.99

00:18:37.280 Now he's changed his plan to kill them all. 0.99

00:18:40.040 The president of the United States in a nutshell. 0.97

00:18:42.600 I mean, that's really, if you believe what he's saying, and Lindsey Graham says he doesn't bluff, then that is what he's doing.

00:18:49.180 He's gone from saying, I'm going to liberate them to slowly upping the ante.

00:18:55.140 This week he's been saying they've been asking for more bombings.

00:18:58.100 Even the areas that we leave without bombing, we get the intercepts of the people saying, come back and bomb us.

00:19:04.820 OK. And to the next step of we are going to a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

00:19:15.220 I mean, if you really do believe the president, if you take him at his word, you know, if we can trust the word of the American president, he is on an escalatory ladder that why wouldn't he use nukes, Glenn?

00:19:25.220 If you know if you believe him, why not? I mean, you're going to blow up the whole civilization. Use our best tool.

00:19:30.700 I mean, that's the concern. You know, we did use nuclear weapons before and it was World War II.

00:19:36.880 And that was because Harry Truman got convinced that fewer people would die if we use nuclear weapons than if we didn't.

00:19:44.620 And maybe that calculation was correct. Maybe that that wasn't.

00:19:48.040 But that shows you how leaders can be led to believe that the rational and most moral course is to exterminate hundreds of thousands of people with an atomic weapon.

00:19:57.540 And obviously the weapons that we have now, even non-nuclear ones, are vastly more destructive than those.

00:20:04.320 And that is what they're telling him.

00:20:06.360 They're kind of trying to get him to think that he will be the Churchill figure.

00:20:10.280 He will be this historic figure who finally brought an end to this Iranian problem. 1.00

00:20:15.420 And he can do that only if he really ends the war once and for all instead of allowing it to drag on forever.

00:20:21.240 And when you combine that with Trump's desire not to have this war go on forever, which is just a political instinct that he has had for at least a decade, that is a potentially concerning combination.

00:20:35.200 The other thing I want to just add, Megan, is we're told in every war that the reason we have to go to war is because the regime that we want to attack is so evil to its own people.

00:20:45.560 We heard that about the Iraq War, Saddam Hussein gassed his own people, about the Taliban, how they don't allow girls and women to go outside.

00:20:52.340 We heard that about the Libyan War, about Gaddafi was going to massacre everybody in Benghazi, about the Vietnam War, that the North Korea – this is standard war propaganda.

00:21:00.320 And the problem with it is, not that it's false, there are a lot of terrible regimes in the world, it's that we don't go to war because a regime is murdering its own people.

00:21:09.440 We support and prop up and have installed a lot of dictatorships that do exactly that.

00:21:15.180 You think the Saudis treat their protesters or the Egyptians treat their protesters and honor meticulously their civil liberties?

00:21:21.240 No, they gun them down. 0.86

00:21:22.160 They slaughter them in the streets.

00:21:23.740 And we not only tolerate that, but we support those.

00:21:25.760 Women just got their ability to drive in Saudi Arabia a couple years ago. 1.00

00:21:30.320 Yes, exactly right. No. And by the way, the Saudis took apart that journalist Khashoggi

00:21:36.640 and Trump was like, there are people we got to deal with in this world. Yes, there are.

00:21:40.520 So why do we bomb some to smithereens, but we, quote, deal with the others?

00:21:45.120 Right. And it's not just that we find these bad people and tolerate them. We engineer coups to

00:21:50.660 overthrow democratically elected governments in various countries and install and impose on them

00:21:55.800 vicious tyrannies. That's why Iran hates us. That's why they chant death to America, 1.00

00:22:00.220 because we did that to Iran in 1953 when we overthrew their government and opposed the

00:22:04.740 Shah of Iran on them who brutally repressed all kinds of religious minorities. This is a 0.95

00:22:09.420 thing that we've done over and over. And so, you know, when it comes time,

00:22:14.660 are you supposed to jump through the hoop and condemn the Iranian government for killing its

00:22:18.500 own people? Of course, if someone asks me directly, what do I think of the Iranian government? I'm

00:22:22.480 going to make clear that I certainly wouldn't want to live under it. But it's important that

00:22:26.500 we realize that this is not the motive of the U.S. government. We don't go to wars to free the

00:22:31.620 oppressed peoples around the world. And I don't think we should do that either. The problem is 1.00

00:22:36.160 that that's the propaganda that's used to make Americans feel good about these wars when we're

00:22:40.940 not saving people. Yeah, we have enough to worry about ourselves. I mean, that was the whole promise

00:22:45.220 of the American First movement, remember? We weren't going to get involved in these Middle 1.00

00:22:49.180 least wars. We weren't going to waste all our money filling the coffers of Palantir and General

00:22:53.320 Dynamic and Raytheon. We were going to revitalize American communities that are ridden with drug 1.00

00:22:57.800 addiction and suicide and depression and deindustrialization. People have to work

00:23:01.380 three jobs. They can't have babies or buy a house until they're 35 or 40. That's what we're going 1.00

00:23:06.740 to change. We're going to put the American people first for once and for all. And all the second 0.73

00:23:10.420 term has been, other than closing the border, which, you know, I think Trump deserves credit

00:23:14.480 for. But beyond that, it's been an endless focus on the Middle East, on Israel, on Gaza, on,

00:23:19.980 you know, bombing Yemen, on bombing Iran last year and bombing them again with a major war.

00:23:25.440 Now, everything that Trump vowed that his administration would be about, the opposite

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00:24:58.400 Yeah, we're spending over a billion dollars a day

00:25:01.580 on this war,

00:25:03.560 which could cost us up to 200 billion now,

00:25:06.060 between $150 billion, $200 billion that Trump is going to ask for now from Congress. And there's

00:25:13.100 no wall, by the way. We did not build a wall down at the center. When the next president gets in

00:25:17.800 there, a Democrat, and it's not like we talked about how Rahm Emanuel at least said, I'll leave

00:25:22.140 the border alone. I like what Trump did. The others don't feel that way. Gavin Newsom gets

00:25:26.000 in there. He's not going to leave those policies alone. His base is going to pressure him to let

00:25:30.280 in more potential Democrats. And there's no wall to stop them. Whatever happened to that? Whatever

00:25:34.840 happened. We were going to build a wall. Mexico is going to pay for it. That didn't happen. But

00:25:38.960 we care about ourselves. Tim Dillon, he's been so great on this. I love him. And he was one of my

00:25:46.780 first guests on this show, Glenn. He came after you, the godfather of the Megyn Kelly show.

00:25:51.160 Not the first. Not the first. You were the first. And he said to me then, he was making fun of

00:26:00.500 himself saying like during the Iraq war, you know, I was trying to like pretend I knew what the hell

00:26:07.340 I was talking like, well, you know, the Shia and this and like he was mocking about how we all 0.99

00:26:12.840 turned into these stupid mini pretend experts on Middle East policies. Meanwhile, it's like to 0.99

00:26:20.220 truly understand the Middle East. I mean, you need to spend your life like immersed in it. You can be

00:26:24.480 like us on the outskirts, like and have seen enough to get some basic principles. But he was

00:26:28.280 mocking i love tim dylan and and here he's grown so much his comedy has grown his his insights have 0.93

00:26:34.460 grown and here he is saying it like no one can on where our heads are at i don't give a fuck about 0.91

00:26:40.520 iran either sorry throw him out if you don't like him it has nothing to do with me and the fact 0.99

00:26:47.220 that that the idea that i have to give a flying fuck you should be standing with iran shut the 1.00

00:26:52.820 fuck up will you shut the fuck up if they want to throw the bums who run iran out throw them the 1.00

00:27:01.180 fuck out but the idea that the united states of america when people can't afford houses and they 1.00

00:27:08.000 can't afford health care spends all its fucking time talking about the middle east and fucking 1.00

00:27:13.900 arabs and jews and and religion and and the fucking temple and slaughtering the heifer and 1.00

00:27:20.380 iran and sunnis and shiites get what the fuck is going on truly what the fuck is going on 1.00

00:27:30.180 that we're told well is iran sunni or shia what is that what is happening okay we our own country 0.99

00:27:39.140 is being destroyed and it's going down the toilet mic drop right there that he speaks for me and

00:27:48.180 millions of americans glenn that megan this is why trump won it's so amazing if you watch how

00:27:55.040 maga people who are still totally blindly on board with trump i don't mean voting for him but i mean

00:28:01.180 just like cheering for this war and everything he does if you see how they reacted tim dylan

00:28:04.900 including that clip which you know is something he's been saying for a while they will act like

00:28:09.420 he's some sort of leftist or liberal or traitor whereas this was what donald trump has been

00:28:15.720 telling the american people maybe not in such colorful language although close to it for a

00:28:20.380 decade now i would say it's the major reason why he was propelled to victory was because of this

00:28:25.820 sense on on the part of americans very valid that both parties have a whole list of priorities that

00:28:32.940 just don't include them they're like includes everybody but the american people these international

00:28:37.380 elites and these global institutions and these banks and the military industrial complex and

00:28:42.080 foreign wars. Everybody except the American people. Trump called them the forgotten man and

00:28:46.120 woman in his inauguration. And the second term of this administration has been about everybody

00:28:50.300 except for them, meaning it's just a continuation of the same bipartisan sewer that we've had in

00:28:54.980 this country for 30 years where so much of our welfare has been destroyed by foreign wars.

00:29:01.660 Yes, that that is how it feels when it comes to war. We cannot win no matter who we put in there.

00:29:07.020 Somebody who was like the first to challenge the Republican base, the Republican establishment,

00:29:12.080 bearers by saying, what are you doing? The war in Iraq was a disaster. Why are we spending all

00:29:16.540 this money in the Middle East? No war in the Middle East. Explicitly said, no wars in the

00:29:22.100 Middle East under my presidency. Started, started a war in the Middle East. And now, well, I'll get 1.00

00:29:29.020 to the latest report that just dropped from the New York Times, but I want a couple of things

00:29:31.840 before we get there, because we're learning more about exactly how we got into this. And it's not

00:29:36.200 just Mark Levin. It's also Benjamin Netanyahu, as the New York Times just dropped in a long,

00:29:40.720 post. And also I want to talk about nukes because of all the comments and because J.D. Vance said

00:29:47.520 something that had a lot of people wondering if he was implying nuclear use. The president has now

00:29:51.760 had to come out to say the White House to say, we're not talking about nukes. We're not going to

00:29:54.740 nuke Iran. But here is what CNN just reported. Pakistani Prime Minister Shabazz Sharif has

00:30:02.760 asked warring parties to observe a two-week ceasefire to allow diplomacy to achieve conclusive

00:30:09.820 termination of war. That's a quote in a post on X. He has asked U.S. President Donald Trump to

00:30:16.340 extend his deadline on Iran by two weeks and for Iran to reopen the Strait of Hormuz during that

00:30:22.940 two-week period. I don't think that Iran is going to do that. I don't know. I think President Trump

00:30:29.020 would love an off-ramp and would love to take this, but I don't think the Iranians are going 1.00

00:30:34.900 to say yes to that because, and I don't mean this as a compliment, but it's just a truth.

00:30:39.340 They have been some tough MFers in this whole thing.

00:30:43.240 They seem extremely angry that they've been attacked and they recognize that their behavior is is successfully ratcheting up the pressure, the political pressure on Donald Trump.

00:30:55.720 Now, so let me let me throw that to you, whether you think this Pakistani sort of, you know, olive branch by the prime minister is going to work. 0.97

00:31:03.220 here's the problem from the iranian perspective which is you know the united states attacked

00:31:09.880 iran last year in one night the israelis attacked for 12 days and trump said afterwards okay the

00:31:16.920 nuclear problem is solved we obliterated totally and completely their nuclear program we don't 0.89

00:31:21.920 have to worry about it anymore and now here we are eight nine months later and we're right back

00:31:26.900 attacking them again in an even bigger war so their concern is that if we have a ceasefire

00:31:32.160 And I think this is really crucial. You know, one of the reasons that the Israelis had to stop the 12-day war last year was because they were running out of these anti-missile defense systems that are extremely expensive to produce, that take years in order to get on the manufacturing line, and that the United States has depleted its stockpile in Yemen and Ukraine and with Israel.

00:31:54.420 the israelis have and so have the persian gulf states and right now what you're seeing is this

00:31:59.220 increase in the number of missiles and drones that are getting through the air defenses of

00:32:04.780 saudi arabia and kuwait and iraq and bahrain but also israel and what the iranians are petrified by

00:32:11.540 and i don't blame them is that right now they have leverage the strait of hermuz is closed

00:32:15.800 they're constantly battering israel and american bases throughout the region in a way that trump

00:32:20.780 was convinced wouldn't happen when every article I've ever read over the last 20 years about Iran

00:32:24.880 was that that would be their strategy. And they have the upper hand in a sense. And what they're

00:32:30.940 worried about is a two-week ceasefire will just give the Israelis and the Americans time to

00:32:35.740 replenish, time to strengthen themselves, time to figure out how they want to attack and defeat

00:32:40.500 an Iranian attack. And then the attack will just resume after two weeks. The Iranians won't do a 1.00

00:32:45.000 ceasefire unless they're convinced that it will stop war, not just now, but into the future. And

00:32:50.220 I don't blame them.

00:32:51.840 I know, because we continue to sacrifice our credibility.

00:32:55.280 Every time we sit down with them, we bomb them.

00:32:57.960 It's like the thing with Jared Kushner and Steve Wyckoff is like they were negotiating.

00:33:02.460 They thought in good faith.

00:33:03.400 The intermediaries actually thought we were making progress.

00:33:05.740 And the next thing they knew, we bombed them and killed the Ayatollah as well as several of their top leaders.

00:33:12.320 And again, The New York Times moments ago just dropping a long piece on exactly how that happened.

00:33:16.620 It was B.B. Netanyahu in the situation room, not even at like a side seat like where President Trump was at the head.

00:33:26.080 President Trump sat on the side of the table and Netanyahu sat across from him like equals in the situation room.

00:33:35.380 It's just it's unfathomable.

00:33:37.920 And this guy talked him into sacrificing American blood and treasure for Israel. 0.77

00:33:43.700 And I don't care how many times people try to shame me out of saying that. It's true. So that's how we got into this mess. But here's here's the thing. I'm worried that President Trump, even though he doesn't actually intend to that a civilization will die tonight.

00:34:01.880 President Trump doesn't handle his temper all that well. And he is getting angry. You can see

00:34:10.280 it. One of the reasons why I think he's gotten rid of Pam Bondi and several others are now

00:34:15.920 potentially on deck. You know, every day we hear another report of he's looking, he's looking at

00:34:19.920 Tulsi. He's possibly looking at Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick. We've heard some other names,

00:34:25.600 to, his fuse is short because he is seeing the domestic political consequences of the Iran war

00:34:35.940 not going well and of all the promises that were made to him by Netanyahu falling apart. I think

00:34:43.320 he's angry at Netanyahu for that. I think he's angry at people like Tucker, who he's lashing

00:34:48.680 out at now, saying he's a low IQ individual. Okay, sure. Not all of us can be as high IQ as

00:34:54.100 Lindsey Graham. But, you know, he'll work on it. He's lashing out. And so, you know, you don't want

00:35:00.240 Trump feeling like a caged animal, Glenn, because that is when the president could do something very

00:35:06.400 rash and very dangerous. I mean, but Megan, this is what I think is really the heart of it all

00:35:14.180 is we like to think of the United States as being this extremely stable power that acts only with

00:35:21.360 the most calculated analysis and the most ethical, clear ethical lines. And that's just not the case

00:35:28.480 for any kind of human institution driven by human beings. All human beings are susceptible to anger

00:35:35.260 and frustration and lashing out. And then you add on to that, and I do think this is a big factor

00:35:39.900 both with Netanyahu and Trump, the older you get, like the more into your 80s you get, the more into

00:35:45.340 your 90s you get. Trump's obviously 80. Netanyahu's heading there. I really do think it's natural that 0.68

00:35:51.340 people start focusing way more on their quote unquote legacy. Like how is history going to

00:35:56.800 remember them and less so on the world that they don't have all that much longer to inhabit? That's

00:36:02.360 just the reality. And my big concern is that Trump, with this anger and frustration, I mean,

00:36:07.920 he's, you know, you have the Iranians who are basically humiliating the United States under 1.00

00:36:12.160 Trump and Trump hates nothing more than some inferior power being able to stand up to him

00:36:18.040 and defy him and give him the middle finger

00:36:19.840 as they've been doing.

00:36:21.480 And I don't think he has a lot of patience

00:36:23.100 because he doesn't want this war to go on that much longer.

00:36:25.540 He knows how damaging it is politically.

00:36:28.400 This just in via the New York Times,

00:36:31.120 President Trump has been made aware of Pakistan's request

00:36:34.440 to extend his deadline by two weeks,

00:36:36.900 said Caroline Levitt, the White House press secretary.

00:36:38.720 A response will come, she said in a statement.

00:36:42.720 This, I mean, this has, here's your out written all over it.

00:36:47.940 So he gets to sound tough. I was going to get him. And I mean, we'll see. To your point, Iran has no incentive to agree to a ceasefire. They believe that we are just going to reload and regroup. And that's the last thing they want.

00:37:02.900 And on the other hand, I don't think I mean, right now what we're seeing in Iran is they're using civilians. Their children are now linking hands and surrounding what Trump said would be the stated targets anyway, the bridges, the power plants.

00:37:18.560 And there is no way that General Cain is going to authorize strikes on power plants like this one with a bunch of civilians, including children, standing outside of it. 1.00

00:37:28.660 So, you know, the Trump defenders say, check chess, not checkers, you idiots. 1.00

00:37:35.480 That was that was all a diversion from what he's really going to do. 1.00

00:37:38.800 They wasted their research.

00:37:40.240 I'm like, I'm so sick of this. 0.97

00:37:42.380 Like, I'm just so sick of this nonsense.

00:37:44.920 How long are we going to be focused on this instead of health care, the border, mortgages, credit card debt and crime?

00:37:52.140 Yeah, and re-importing manufacturing jobs and all the other things that we were promised that are the real problems of our country.

00:38:01.120 I mean, do you know anybody, Megan, who prior to this war, other than people who are loyal to Israel, who were worried on their behalf, who were waking up and saying, oh, I think the number one problem in my life, the thing that I'm most worried about is what the Iranian government is doing?

00:38:16.300 You know, this is why the Democrats failed so spectacularly when they spent years just talking about Russia and Putin and the Kremlin.

00:38:26.340 And it just never resonated with anybody because people weren't waking up afraid of the Russians.

00:38:30.800 They didn't feel like the Russians were the source of the problems in their lives.

00:38:34.820 And I don't believe that people woke up and thought the Iranians were either.

00:38:38.720 I mean, they didn't even think the Iraqis were back in 2002.

00:38:41.500 and that was why a whole long 18-month campaign was necessary to convince them that Iraq was tied

00:38:46.260 to 9-11. But there was no such campaign here. And I think you're absolutely right. Like,

00:38:51.380 we can sit here and speculate about, is this just a ruse for Trump to get out? Are the Iranians

00:38:56.940 really participating in an off-ramp? Because it's easy for us to sit here and have parlor games

00:39:01.980 about whether Trump will use nukes or really follow through. But if you're in Iran, it's not

00:39:06.180 actually abstract you're of course worried about that and trying to avert it the last time that

00:39:14.660 trump said other deadline extension because they asked for it the iranians said we didn't ask for

00:39:19.320 anything we don't we don't want another extension we don't need that maybe they'll say the same

00:39:24.520 thing but who knows but as you say look at where all our focus is back on the middle east back on

00:39:30.200 a country that cannot attack the united states has not attacked the united states there's never

00:39:34.520 been a terrorist attack from Iranian terrorists or she a terrorist. This is all a completely 0.98

00:39:38.660 fabricated pretext for a war that Americans just don't want and don't care about for very good

00:39:44.600 reason. I'll tell you some, another problem with that Trump tweet, a whole civilization will die

00:39:51.100 tonight. That's the kind of thing that will get raised at the primary debates with all of the

00:39:57.780 Republican candidates. Do you stand by that? Did you think that was appropriate? Did President

00:40:02.280 Trump handle himself well and represent the United States government well with that? I mean,

00:40:07.320 I could come up with a, an A plus level hard fastball, uh, using just that phrase alone,

00:40:13.680 just to embarrass everybody. And it will happen. So it's like, but I don't think Trump cares about

00:40:18.520 that. I really don't think he cares about legacy building or making sure that the torch gets

00:40:23.440 carried on. And that brings me to JD Vance. So JD Vance is over in Hungary. And, um, by the way,

00:40:30.460 the New York Times article that just hit on how we got into this thing points out that J.D. Vance

00:40:35.140 was not there for the Benjamin Netanyahu presentation. He was overseas sent by the

00:40:40.280 president. He came back and was there the next day when we met Americans only. And the Times

00:40:45.960 makes clear discouraged the war. He believed if we were to do it, that we should do it with

00:40:52.020 overwhelming force. So it was over quickly. But it makes very clear in the most explicit terms yet

00:40:56.840 that J.D. Vance was against this. And one of the points he raised was it's going to blow apart

00:41:01.640 your coalition. Now, clearly somebody close to the vice president spoke to the times because

00:41:07.440 as this thing goes south, I think he's getting more open about his opposition. You know, he's

00:41:13.340 in a very tight, tough spot because clearly he might run. He needs to be able to tell the base

00:41:19.300 I wasn't for it. But right now he needs to be able to tell his boss, I've got your back. It's

00:41:23.880 it's impossible. So I'll get you to comment on that. But let me just play you this soundbite

00:41:27.920 that he that he gave overseas that then led the White House to come out to say no one's nuking

00:41:34.860 anybody. Sat five. This is today. But we feel confident that we can get a response, whether

00:41:40.820 it's positive or negative. We're going to get a response from the Iranians by eight o'clock 1.00

00:41:44.240 tonight. I hope they make the right response, because what we really want is we want a world

00:41:50.300 where oil and gas is flowing freely, where people can afford to heat their homes and cool their

00:41:55.340 homes, where people can afford to transport themselves to work. That's not going to happen

00:41:59.300 if the Iranians are engaged in acts of economic terrorism. So they've got to know we've got tools 1.00

00:42:05.200 in our toolkit that we so far haven't decided to use. The president of the United States can decide

00:42:10.040 to use them and he will decide to use them if the Iranians don't change their course of conduct. 0.99

00:42:14.740 now i personally think he probably meant some of the stuff that we reportedly used in venezuela

00:42:21.440 like some of these devices that messed with people's hearing i don't know but the white

00:42:27.140 house had to come out later and say we're not thinking about dropping a nuke and tucker carlson

00:42:32.000 has been very very very worried about dropping a nuke i'll get to tucker and the nuke thing

00:42:36.820 next glenn because i do that's a separate discussion but can you just speak to the

00:42:39.920 position jd vance is in because i know you you do not think it's a good one

00:42:42.900 Well, I mean, just on this issue, again, there are ways to completely obliterate Iranian society without using nuclear weapons. 0.95

00:42:50.940 We do have conventional weapons in our arsenal that are comparably destructive to certain atomic weapons that we have never used.

00:42:58.940 And so it could be that J.D. Vance is alluding to those.

00:43:02.060 It could be that he's alluding to the destruction of their power plants, which President Trump has explicitly threatened to do,

00:43:07.280 But yet which we have not yet done and just lead that whole country for years or generations without any power, without any power for their incubators or their their any hospitals or any of the things that we've discussed, gasoline, the things that you need to keep society reasonably advanced.

00:43:23.840 the problem is you know i mean matthew says you shall know them by be by their fruits

00:43:29.900 and so jd vance can kind of leak to as many people as he wants and i know he's doing this

00:43:35.360 he's leaking to all sorts of people anyone to get his hands on that he was against this war that he

00:43:39.760 was never for it but at the end of the day he's out there tying himself to it he's defending it

00:43:45.240 he's actually defending these threats that president trump has made and while yes in a

00:43:51.120 sense the vice president looks at the president as his boss in reality that's not really what the

00:43:56.000 the president is jd vance could express dissent i mean he would be over for him in terms of his

00:44:02.080 responsibilities in the administration but it's not like you could be fired but i don't think

00:44:07.020 this middle ground of explicitly defending the war but then leaking that you really were kind

00:44:12.520 of opposed to it if anything that makes it look extremely weak like i'm willing to oppose it in

00:44:18.000 secret and through leaks, but not through action. And there have been people who have quit the

00:44:23.660 government, including Joe Kent, in opposition to this war. Daniel Augsburg almost went to prison

00:44:27.940 over the Vietnam War. I mean, that's the act of leadership that I think people expect.

00:44:33.060 I don't, I feel like he's in a very tough spot and he's handling it well because he's telegraphing.

00:44:37.500 He said directly to the boss, recording to the Times, like, this isn't going to work out the

00:44:41.960 way you think it is and the way Netanyahu predicted, which that's his obligation.

00:44:46.980 But he publicly, he has to have his his partner, his senior partners back.

00:44:52.320 Otherwise, he's got no choice, no chance to succeed politically because he cannot get elected as the next president without MAGA.

00:45:00.360 And Matt, while MAGA is a shrinking number, it's like 15 percent of the population and shrinking by the day.

00:45:06.240 You need him as a Republican. You do. So he's in a tough spot.

00:45:09.880 Another reason why this thing should wrap up ASAP.

00:45:11.720 By the way, it also reports that Marco Rubio was not enthusiastic about this thing either.

00:45:16.040 You know who was? Mark Levin, Lindsey Graham, some Fox News personalities, and chief of all, Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:45:26.120 Yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu was, he couldn't have been more enthusiastic, and I'll get to him next.

00:45:32.260 I'm trying to get through my order. I want to talk about nukes first.

00:45:37.660 So Tucker is sounding, like, different than he normally sounds.

00:45:43.120 He sounds like I don't want to I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I've never heard him so accusatory toward Trump.

00:45:51.920 I think he's feeling very angry about this war and very distrustful of this president and his next move.

00:45:59.000 And of course, Trump is striking out at him, too.

00:46:01.440 But there are two things he he focused in on.

00:46:05.400 I'm going to play you two soundbites.

00:46:07.320 Yesterday on the show, we talked about Trump's Easter tweet, you know, the F-U-C-K-I-N apostrophe straight on Easter.

00:46:16.480 And my own theory was he was trying to call attention to it.

00:46:20.800 When he talks like that, it'll get more attention and he's having difficulty getting all the attention he wants on his true social posts these days.

00:46:28.100 That one did it.

00:46:28.960 I think the reference to Allah

00:46:32.020 was like the day

00:46:34.000 earlier he had said glory be to God

00:46:36.160 something to that

00:46:37.700 effect so I don't know

00:46:39.960 maybe I'm giving him too much credit

00:46:41.360 Tucker had a different take

00:46:43.640 and here's that in Sat 9

00:46:45.460 Who do you think you are?

00:46:47.940 You're tweeting out the F word on Easter

00:46:49.960 morning? 0.99

00:46:53.940 You'll be living in hell 0.99

00:46:55.820 Just watch 0.98

00:46:57.240 Praise be to Allah

00:46:58.800 so obviously you're mocking the religion of iran okay if you seek a religious war

00:47:10.120 that's a good idea but by the way no decent person mocks other people's religions you may

00:47:18.800 have a problem with the theology presumably you do if it's not your religion and you can explain

00:47:22.920 what that is. But to mock other people's faith is to mock the idea of faith itself. And we should

00:47:29.860 never mock that. This is a mockery, not just of Islam, it's a mockery of Christianity. To send 1.00

00:47:36.140 out a tweet with the F word on Easter morning, promising the murder of civilians and then saying

00:47:40.740 praise be to Allah without explaining any of it, you are mocking me and every other Christian 1.00

00:47:45.780 because we're christian okay that was point one and then here was point two on whether trump might

00:47:54.420 be getting ready to use some weapon of mass destruction on iran satan so unless somebody

00:48:00.140 puts the brakes on right away we're gonna wind up in a place that we can't even imagine not just

00:48:07.580 iran us and the rest of the world and so that means because this is obvious to anyone who's 0.60

00:48:11.480 paying any attention that if you work in the white house we're in the u.s military now it's time to

00:48:15.240 say no, absolutely not, and say it directly to the president, no. In case you're thinking about

00:48:19.540 using some weapon of mass destruction against the population of Iran, in whose name we liberated 0.99

00:48:25.500 Iran, we killed their religious leader for their benefit. Do you remember that? This was last month. 0.98

00:48:31.860 Those people who are in direct contact with the president need to say, no, I'll resign.

00:48:39.740 I'll do whatever I can do legally to stop this because this is insane. And if given the order,

00:48:44.520 I'm not carrying it out.

00:48:46.220 Figure out the codes on the football yourself, because everything hangs in the balance right

00:48:50.960 now.

00:48:52.280 That is extraordinary.

00:48:53.520 And by the way, I should point out that that was that second comment, all those comments

00:48:57.220 happened before Trump's 806 a.m.

00:49:00.040 tweet today, True Social saying a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back

00:49:04.600 again.

00:49:04.880 That's where Tucker was before he heard that comment.

00:49:08.760 I mean, he's actually talking about potentially depriving Trump of the nuclear football codes

00:49:13.400 and he sounds a little like you know some of those democrats who were talking about how you

00:49:21.260 have the obligation to disobey an illegal order if it's given he sounds like he's worried trump's

00:49:29.520 about to give one of those as well like to bomb civilian infrastructure infrastructure or god

00:49:34.260 forbid drop a nuke on an entire country so your thoughts glenn i mean yeah i think there's several

00:49:41.600 points that are worth making about this. I was a very vehement, outspoken, harsh critic of George

00:49:47.700 W. Bush and Dick Cheney. It's why I went into journalism, was to oppose the war on terror and

00:49:52.600 similar policies. But the one thing I think everybody gives credit for to George W. Bush,

00:49:58.340 at least I do, and I think a lot of people, even his opponents at the time did, was right after

00:50:02.480 9-11, within days, he purposely went and visited several mosques around the country, met with imams,

00:50:08.240 emphasized that we are not in a religious war with Islam, only with this group of people who

00:50:13.580 have distorted a great religion. Even if it wasn't ethical, and that was not his motive,

00:50:18.840 and I think part of it was, just pragmatically, of course you don't want to start a religious war

00:50:24.160 with one of the largest and greatest religions on earth, which is Islam, because people will die 1.00

00:50:30.560 for their religion. They'll die for their country. They'll die for their religion, especially. We 0.56

00:50:33.900 have seen that throughout history. And if you make it a theocratic war, where now President

00:50:38.360 Trump is mocking Allah and Islam, that is remarkably dangerous and ill-advised. On top of

00:50:46.060 that, yeah, and also we're supposed to be there to help these people who aren't Muslim, and yet at

00:50:51.360 the same time we're mocking their religion. The other thing I want to say is, you know, I just

00:50:55.580 want to pause for a second about Tucker, and this applies to you too as well, Megan, but I think in

00:51:01.020 Tucker's case, it's so important to realize what he's done here. He had a very close relationship,

00:51:08.140 personal relationship with Donald Trump. Trump admired him and considered him a friend. He was

00:51:13.380 able to walk in and out of the White House. And he used that access not to monetize it or to make

00:51:19.460 himself more influential or famous. He did it in every way possible to try and stop wars, including

00:51:26.280 this war with Iran going all the way back to last year. And he ended up sacrificing his access to the

00:51:32.380 Trump White House, to his personal relationship with the president, as did you as well. And I do

00:51:37.780 think it's important for people to understand how valuable that relationship is, that to sacrifice

00:51:43.720 it for a cause that you believe in is incredibly admirable and noble. And I mean, I just can't

00:51:51.660 praise Tucker enough for that. And as for this concern, how can you not have the concern? I mean,

00:51:56.920 Tucker was the voice saying, we shouldn't be going into these wars. They're very dangerous.

00:52:01.360 You're doing it for Israel. You're going to destroy your coalition. And then the kind of 0.90

00:52:04.820 opposite pundit was Mark Levin, who has been loyal to Israel his whole life and totally maniacal.

00:52:10.460 That's why he generates attention, right? Because he just screeches and screams and says the most

00:52:15.480 insane, unhinged things. And yet, as it turns out, Trump has made very clear he's repudiating

00:52:22.420 Tucker and heaping praise on Mark Levin and making clear that the person that everybody

00:52:27.060 should listen to is Mark Levin. So Mark Levin is out there saying that Trump should use nuclear

00:52:31.160 weapons against Iran, that he should be the new Churchill figure, that that's the only way to deal 0.97

00:52:35.000 with it is like with Nazis. So if you're Tucker or any rational person, how do you dismiss that 0.63

00:52:40.380 concern? Again, no one's saying Trump is going to use nuclear weapons at 8 p.m. tonight. I don't

00:52:44.180 think you will. The problem is, is that once you get, even if there's like a 1% chance that that

00:52:50.600 might happen now or in the future or something equivalent, it's worth being extremely alarmed

00:52:56.080 over because of the consequences. Like the worst a possible event is, the lower the threshold of

00:53:01.460 probability there should be for you to really work against it. And I think that's what Tucker is

00:53:04.920 doing. Yeah. Unfortunately, those two are definitely on the outs. I'm pretty sure I'm

00:53:12.780 on the outs with Trump too. But he, Trump said, Tucker's a low IQ person that has absolutely no

00:53:19.280 idea what's going on. He calls me all the time. I don't respond to his calls. I don't deal with

00:53:24.320 him. I like dealing with smart people, not fools. Okay. I mean, this follows on the tweet that he 0.98

00:53:29.880 sent out about both of us saying we're not MAGA and now we're going to lose all of our viewers

00:53:35.200 because Trump said we're not MAGA. I, I don't, that's not going to happen. We're both doing

00:53:40.000 just fine. I think my audience never thought I was MAGA. Like I've said all along, I'm MAGA

00:53:45.940 adjacent, but I'm not MAGA. I'm an independent and I don't wear anybody's jersey. And that

00:53:50.500 helps me do my job. But yeah, Tucker tried and he has a fundamental and like sincerely held

00:53:59.600 conviction that we are doing the wrong thing on this war. I shared that with him, but he's become

00:54:05.820 a chief spokesperson against it. And so Trump is now, I guess, out to destroy Tucker, which is

00:54:11.620 just ridiculous, and to elevate Levin. He wants everyone to watch Mark Levin's show. It's not

00:54:16.500 working. Mark Levin's show is very poorly rated. His podcast is poorly rated. I mean, literally,

00:54:22.020 a podcast is not even on the map. You can't even find it if you want it. It's never toward the top

00:54:26.380 of anything, no matter what the president does. He cannot get it up in the podcast ratings,

00:54:34.820 much like the host of the show.

00:54:37.760 Sorry, I went there.

00:54:39.340 I don't know.

00:54:39.740 I kind of set myself up for it.

00:54:41.080 Okay, then there are the bloodthirsty,

00:54:44.400 not just Levin.

00:54:45.600 Here's this,

00:54:46.540 you probably know this guy a lot better than I do.

00:54:48.200 This Representative Randy Fine, 0.99

00:54:50.920 who is, he's a disgusting warmonger. 0.99

00:54:55.640 This guy tweeted out yesterday, 0.99

00:54:59.100 happy power plant and bridge eve.

00:55:02.200 Sounds like some Allahu Akbar is coming their way behind you and our warfighters.

00:55:07.140 One thousand percent, Mr. President. 1.00

00:55:08.980 This guy's a sick fucker. 1.00

00:55:10.260 Sorry, I'm trying to clean up my language in the wake of Easter. 1.00

00:55:13.320 But he's a sick dude, Glenn.

00:55:15.360 What about this Randy Fine? 0.97

00:55:17.380 And then there's Lindsey Graham, too.

00:55:19.160 Which do we have that on tape?

00:55:20.520 The Lindsey Graham latest.

00:55:22.520 Yeah, I think we do.

00:55:23.520 It's SOT 6.

00:55:25.200 Listen.

00:55:26.280 So I'm very optimistic that President Trump's going to bring this regime to an end one way or

00:55:31.460 the other. I prefer diplomacy. But this time tomorrow night, they're either going to do a

00:55:36.440 deal that makes sense for the world and the region and for Iran itself, or we're going to blow them 1.00

00:55:41.700 up. How many times do you have to be told by Trump, I'm going to do something to you,

00:55:46.880 and he actually does it before you believe it? So this is a defining moment in the history of the

00:55:51.540 committees. Just once again, so which is it? How many times does he have to prove to you he's

00:55:57.340 going to do what he threatens before you believe it? And then you have Mark Levin tweeting out

00:56:01.980 the Selena Zito quote about take Trump seriously, but not literally. Which is it? The neocons need

00:56:07.660 to get their stories straight. Glenn, back to you. Megan, these people are nothing short of

00:56:13.340 psychotic. And for as long as I have been in contact with and observing and interacting with 0.95

00:56:18.340 the MAGA movement, Lindsey Graham was supposedly the representation of everything sick and evil in

00:56:23.760 the world that needed to be purged from the Republican Party and from American life.

00:56:27.320 Because he obviously takes some kind of deep, twisted psychological joy in watching other

00:56:33.020 people go and blow up human beings and end their lives. He talks in those terms all the time.

00:56:38.600 And yet Lindsey Graham has emerged as probably, not probably, definitely the most influential

00:56:44.100 republican senator when it comes to trump's foreign policy it's basically like a lindsey

00:56:48.560 graham festival everything he's ever dreamed of he's now getting and he talks about that and says

00:56:53.580 it explicitly like we're killing all these people we're killing them the right way as far as randy

00:56:57.860 find his concern he's like a caricature of what you're not supposed to talk about if you don't 0.91

00:57:04.000 want to be accused of being anti-semitic this is somebody who has openly had extreme loyalty to

00:57:09.180 israel not united states but to israel his whole life when he was a florida state legislature he

00:57:14.520 had the israeli flag all over his office goes there all the time talks about israel constantly

00:57:18.480 and you know when i was on tucker's show this is like late 2023 early 2024 when i went to his studio

00:57:24.660 in main he raised randy fine because randy fine talked about how the israelis in the united states

00:57:32.060 and americans should be nuking gaza the way we did in world war ii and tucker was genuinely

00:57:37.540 shock at how somebody who calls for something like that he was saying things like i love watching

00:57:42.340 children in Gaza bleed more of this starve them to death Tucker was saying how can anybody so 0.93

00:57:48.000 unhuman and just like indecent and evil and just it's just a psychopath be welcomed in the

00:57:57.000 Republican Party and yet of course he's jovial and festive about what's happening because this

00:58:02.160 is a war against Israel's main adversary with Donald Trump threatening to do what Israel has

00:58:06.660 long wanted, which was basically blow Iran off the map, render them just a shattered society that is 1.00

00:58:12.600 completely dysfunctional, that's ruled by segregated militias like Syria and Libya were after we were 0.96

00:58:17.640 done with those countries. And Trump seems to be on the path of doing exactly that, even though

00:58:24.340 everything Trump said before this was about how we should never do anything like this. So all the

00:58:29.620 people who were never Trumpers, who were supporting DeSantis, who hated Trump for a long time,

00:58:34.600 they're the ones who got everything they wanted and the hardcore America first people, not the

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01:01:35.000 This just in, the president spoke to Fox News in a brief phone interview.

01:01:39.940 He was asked how he's feeling about the talks.

01:01:42.420 His answer was, I can't tell you because right now we're in heated negotiations.

01:01:46.180 He said he was about to be fully briefed on the Pakistani prime minister's proposed two-week ceasefire.

01:01:51.660 I can say this, that I know him very well.

01:01:53.740 He's a highly respected man all over, he tells Fox.

01:01:56.420 So they're trying to set the table for a two-week off-ramp.

01:01:59.780 And the big question is not how Trump feels about it.

01:02:02.360 It's how the Iranians feel about it.

01:02:04.200 Frankly, it really is.

01:02:05.160 They're the ones who haven't wanted ceasefires.

01:02:07.480 President Trump's been asking for one.

01:02:09.380 He's been asking for a deal.

01:02:11.100 He started it, and he desperately wants to end it.

01:02:13.660 but they get a say. The ones who got attacked also get a say. I got to end on this, though,

01:02:18.300 this New York Times article that we've been that I've been teasing, written by Maggie Haberman

01:02:22.280 and Jonathan Swan. And the title is how how Trump took the U.S. to war with Iran.

01:02:29.880 It's crazy. They they write about the black SUV carrying Netanyahu arrived at the White House just

01:02:35.340 before 11 a.m. on February 11th. That was a Wednesday. Netanyahu headed downstairs for the

01:02:40.640 main event, a highly classified presentation on Iran for President Trump and his team at the

01:02:44.640 White House in the Situation Room, which was rarely used for in-person meetings with foreign

01:02:48.580 leaders. But as I point out, these two sat in equal positions at the table. Mr. Trump did not

01:02:54.780 sit at the head. Then began the briefing with the head of Mossad on the screen behind the prime

01:03:02.440 minister beaming in. That's Israel's foreign intelligence agency, as well as other Israeli

01:03:07.760 military officials. And they write also in there were Susie Wiles, Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth,

01:03:14.440 Dan Kane, Ratcliffe, head of the CIA, Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff, who were the negotiators.

01:03:20.420 Vance was in Azerbaijan. Netanyahu made a hard sell, quoting here, suggesting that Iran was

01:03:26.560 ripe for regime change and expressing the belief that a joint U.S.-Israeli mission could finally

01:03:31.720 bring an end, an end to the Islamic Republic. Okay. At one point, the Israelis played for Trump 0.70

01:03:38.880 a brief video that included a montage of potential new leaders who could take over the country if the

01:03:44.300 hardline government fell. Among those featured was Reza Pahlavi. Glenn, Reza Pahlavi, who no

01:03:53.420 serious person thinks had any shot at any point of taking over as leadership in Iran.

01:04:01.040 He's the exiled son of the Shah who has fallen. He's lived his whole adult life here in America. 0.88

01:04:09.180 He has no support over in Iran. He barely sends out like a supportive tweet when they have these 0.98

01:04:14.320 street rebellions and protests. He's basically an American now. Like there's no support over there.

01:04:21.260 who the hell would believe that Reza Pahlavi is a credible potential takeover? I mean, it's truly

01:04:28.180 like you might as well go for Jeb Bartlett, who is just as much of a fictional character as Reza

01:04:33.440 Pahlavi when it comes to who could take over. Netanyahu and his team outlined conditions they

01:04:39.380 portrayed as pointing to near certain victory, near certain. Iran's ballistic missile program

01:04:48.880 could be destroyed in a few weeks. The regime would be so weakened, it could not choke off

01:04:54.640 the Strait of Hormuz. And the likelihood that Iran would land blows against U.S. interests

01:05:00.560 in neighboring countries was assessed as minimal. Pollyanna was beaming in on that screen behind

01:05:10.220 Netanyahu, just throwing rosebuds at President Trump, surrounded by a unicorn and a rainbow.

01:05:16.700 Okay, so this is great. We're going to get near certain victory. The ballistic missile programs destroyed in a few weeks. The regime so weak, it will not be able to block traffic in the Strait of Hormuz. And there's no chance that Iran is going to be able to strike neighboring countries because they're going to be so weak. Literally, everything was wrong.

01:05:36.520 So everything, the only thing they told Trump that was right was, and I think this happened at, I'm not sure if it happened at this meeting or a one that came right before the strike, that the Ayatollah was going to be above ground and strikeable on that Saturday that we did it.

01:05:48.840 They go on to say, Mossad's intelligence indicated that street protests inside Iran would begin again.

01:05:56.740 That's wrong.

01:05:58.260 And with the impetus of the Israeli spy agency helping to foment riots and rebellion,

01:06:03.760 an intense bombing campaign could foster the conditions for the Iranian opposition to overthrow the regime.

01:06:10.700 The Israelis also raised the prospect of Iranian Kurdish fighters crossing the border from Iraq

01:06:15.900 to open a grand, a ground front in the Northwest, further stretching the regime's forces.

01:06:21.040 That also didn't happen. Mr. Trump listened and responded. Sounds good to me, he told the prime

01:06:29.220 minister. Then we had our own meeting the next day, just Americans. And they looked at the four

01:06:34.760 goals that Netanyahu said we could achieve. One was decapitation, killing the Ayatollah. Two was 0.98

01:06:41.400 crippling Iran's capacity to project power and threaten its neighbors. Three was a popular 1.00

01:06:47.540 uprising inside Iran and fourth was regime change with a secular leader installed. And our team

01:06:53.100 told the president three and four are impossible. There will not be a popular uprising and there

01:06:59.160 will not be a secular leader taking over, but we can do decapitation and we can cripple Iran's 0.88

01:07:04.960 capacity to project power and threaten its neighbors. That was our team's assessment.

01:07:11.280 The CIA director used one word to describe the Israeli prime minister's regime change scenarios.

01:07:17.220 Farcical, he said. Mr. Rubio said, in other words, it's bullshit. When General Cain, 1.00

01:07:24.520 the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, was asked, what do you think? The Times reports, he said,

01:07:28.460 sir, this is, in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They oversell. 1.00

01:07:34.960 and their plans are not always well-developed.

01:07:37.020 They know they need us, and that's why they're hard-selling.

01:07:42.000 General Cain saw no clear path to quickly replenishing the stockpiles of weapons,

01:07:49.200 which was another major concern he raised in the meeting,

01:07:53.360 that we were already having a depletion of stockpiles of American weaponry,

01:07:59.980 And that a major campaign against Iran would drastically deplete those stockpiles, including missile interceptors, which you mentioned earlier, Glenn, which we knew were on the wane, which cost between three and 12 million, depending on which one you have.

01:08:16.780 the ones that intercept the THAAD missiles are 12 million. The ones that intercept like Patriot

01:08:21.940 missiles or other missiles are more like 3 million. But either way, they're really expensive

01:08:25.880 and we're going through them like Pez candies over there. He also, Dan Cain did, flagged the

01:08:33.440 enormous difficulty of securing the Strait of Hormuz and the risk of Iran blocking it.

01:08:39.920 Mr. Trump had dismissed that possibility on the assumption that the regime would capitulate before

01:08:45.560 it came to that, the president appeared to think it would be a very quick war, an impression that

01:08:51.400 had been reinforced by the tepid response to the U.S. bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities

01:08:56.480 in June. That's it. Hegseth was the biggest proponent in the war. Vance warned it could

01:09:05.020 cause regional chaos, that a regime change war would be a disaster, and that Mr. Trump's

01:09:12.060 political coalition would see it as a betrayal who had, those who had bought into the promise

01:09:18.040 and actually believed Trump when he said no new wars. He also raised the munitions problem.

01:09:24.600 It's like, this is like a post-mortem in a hospital. That's what it feels like to me, Glenn.

01:09:29.880 You know, where somebody dies and then they have the morbidity and whatever meeting and they go

01:09:37.420 through, how did the patient die? Like what happened? What went wrong with the systems?

01:09:41.760 And it's us looking at this president who I believed, totally believed, would not start

01:09:47.700 another Middle East war and saying, what happened? And it's like some errant maniac was let into the

01:09:54.380 OR. His name is Benjamin Netanyahu. And our surgeon, the best in the world, treated him 0.96

01:10:00.640 as the authority figure instead of remembering it was he who was the authority figure and the

01:10:05.500 one who we placed in there and in charge for a reason. He came in and said, instead of taking

01:10:11.900 the cancer out, let's put one in. Let's see how that works. Infest this body with the most 0.98

01:10:17.020 pernicious cancer known to man. Let's start with pancreatics. Stick it in there and see if we can 0.92

01:10:21.500 get it to spread. And others around the doctor said, no, don't do that. That's certain death

01:10:25.480 for the patient. But he was so dazzling with the head of cancer research beaming in via satellite

01:10:32.280 telling our surgeon, don't worry, we figured out a way around it. You'll be known as the person who

01:10:38.100 cured cancer, not who caused it. And then we did it. We stuck the needle in the man's pancreas

01:10:43.260 and the cancer spread like wildfire through the patient's body. And that is how he died.

01:10:49.480 That's how this feels. A bunch of experts looking at the guy we trusted saying,

01:10:54.620 who made him do this? And the answer is Benjamin Netanyahu and the man in the mirror.

01:11:02.280 for President Trump, his own hubris that led him to believe he'd get a different result

01:11:07.620 than all those other presidents that Dan Cain referenced, Glenn.

01:11:13.300 Yeah, I mean, it's so well put, Megan. You know, I was somebody who was very focused on the

01:11:18.220 Israeli influence and the Israeli cause of this war prior to its beginning or at the very

01:11:22.380 beginning, because I thought it was very important that Americans understand this is not a war in

01:11:26.380 America's interest. This is the war in Israeli interest. But at the end of the day, Netanyahu 0.59

01:11:31.500 who can come to the White House as many times as he wants.

01:11:34.060 He can say to Trump whatever he wants.

01:11:35.720 The Israelis knew these things were false.

01:11:37.740 They know Iran as well as anybody.

01:11:39.800 They know that it's extremely difficult to foster regime change there.

01:11:44.400 That's why they haven't done it, and they needed the United States to do it,

01:11:47.700 because they know it's not just a matter of a few bombs and the people rise up.

01:11:51.440 But at the end of the day, the choice is Donald Trump's.

01:11:54.800 As Harry Truman said, the buck stops here.

01:11:57.060 And what's so infuriating about this, this account,

01:12:00.060 And, of course, it's something that aligns with everything I'm sure you've heard and I've heard and has been reported.

01:12:05.700 We spend hundreds of billions of dollars on our intelligence agencies, the CIA, the NSA, all the 17 intelligence agencies under Tulsi Gabbard's control and supervision.

01:12:17.060 and you have this massive apparatus that's supposed to tell you what's true in the world

01:12:22.380 and what's not so that as president, you can make the most responsible and informed decisions

01:12:26.240 that affect hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions, if not billions of lives.

01:12:31.380 And here you have Trump surrounded by people who are telling him everything the Israelis 0.94

01:12:35.540 are saying is false. 0.96

01:12:37.180 Yes, we could decapitate Iran. 0.99

01:12:38.660 You know why? 0.85

01:12:39.080 Because the Ayatollah is 86 years old and he said, I'm not leaving my house no matter 0.97

01:12:42.980 what.

01:12:43.240 It's not like we killed him in some secret underground bunker. 0.96

01:12:45.820 We killed him in his home. 0.93

01:12:47.060 which he refused to leave because he said, I'm going to ask Iranians to be sick to these bombs. 0.97

01:12:51.680 I'm not going to go into some super secretive bunker. But even if that were some special

01:12:56.180 accomplishment that we should celebrate, it achieves nothing. And Trump decided that he

01:13:01.360 was going to ignore his intelligence agencies. Let's remember, before the bombing last year,

01:13:05.820 Operation Midnight Hammer, Tulsi Gabbard went to the Senate and said, it's the consensus of

01:13:11.060 the intelligence community, of our own American intelligence community, that the Iranian government

01:13:15.660 has not opted to pursue a nuclear weapon, they're not developing one. Trump went and bombed it

01:13:19.800 anyway. And when asked about what Tulsi said, he said, I don't care what she says. She doesn't

01:13:23.240 know anything. I know they were, because that's what he heard from the Israelis. So over and over,

01:13:28.020 he's disregarding his own advisors, the intelligence apparatus that we spend so much

01:13:34.960 money for in order to basically side with Israel. It's depressing. All we can pray is that it ends. 0.71

01:13:45.220 it ends soon. I don't care about the terms. I just don't care. I want it to be over. No more

01:13:52.140 blood and treasure, no more distractions. And then Trump is going to have some work to do,

01:13:56.840 rebuilding the trust and affection of people who are in the America First coalition. I mean,

01:14:03.600 I'm getting to where MTG told me she was when she sat on this set a couple months ago,

01:14:07.780 months before she left Congress, which was America only. Forget America first. America only.

01:14:17.720 Until we clean up our own problems, we need to be our own exclusive focus. We have spent far

01:14:24.440 too much time, money, and American lives now focused on places like the Middle East,

01:14:31.420 but you could throw Ukraine in there too. It's time to prioritize the concerns of Americans.

01:14:35.960 The candidate who says and convinces us he actually will uphold those values as his mission or hers next time around is the one who I think I and many others will back.

01:14:49.580 Glenn, a pleasure.

01:14:50.580 Thank you so much for being such a voice of reason and courage on all of this yourself.

01:14:54.420 You've been such an important person to follow on X and on your show because, as always, you're not afraid to say what's real.

01:15:01.940 And this is something you've been studying for a long time.

01:15:04.000 Great to see you, my friend.

01:15:05.960 Thank you, Megan.

01:15:06.580 It was great to be with you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 07, 2026

Trump's ＂Civilization Will Die Tonight＂ Iran Warning, and Tucker's Harsh Critique, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 1290

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