The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Dominant Town Hall, MSNBC's Softball ＂Dr.＂ Jill Interview, and Don Lemon's Media Return, with the Ruthless Podcast

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are in a pivotal moment

00:00:16.460 right now in the GOP presidential primary with Iowa just days away. My God, what a difference

00:00:22.840 a year makes. Last night on CNN, there was a debate between two of the last folks standing

00:00:29.720 Governor Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley, while the frontrunner took center stage at a town

00:00:36.080 hall over on Fox News. So they were in competition with one another, and we'll see how that did in

00:00:41.560 the comparative ratings. Former President Donald Trump making news on several fronts. We're going

00:00:46.220 to get to that. I have to say he was very on. He was very together. You know, I've criticized him for

00:00:53.820 moments out on that campaign trail where he seemed a little off. He keeps referring to President

00:00:57.500 Obama, President Biden as President Obama, and other sort of snafus. But last night,

00:01:03.540 sharp as a tack. Meantime, we say goodbye to Chris Christie. Farewell. Take care. Who dropped

00:01:10.860 out last night, but not before a hot mic moment that added an extra layer of chaos to it all.

00:01:15.680 We've got the perfect guests to discuss it all. Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook,

00:01:20.780 and the man known to his minions as Comfortably Smug. Together, they are the hosts of Ruthless,

00:01:28.000 the program you must be listening to on YouTube. Guys, welcome back.

00:01:34.340 Hey, how are you, Megan? Great to be back.

00:01:36.240 I'm good. I'm good. All right. So last night I watched some of the debate and I switched back

00:01:40.780 and forth to the Fox News town hall with Trump. I didn't even know there was a debate until my two

00:01:46.320 co-moderators from the last debate, Eliana and Elizabeth, texted me saying, are you watching this?

00:01:50.780 I forgot there's a bit debate. I'm not going to lie. I found it kind of boring. I missed Vivek

00:01:58.000 and Chris Christie. I did because they stir things up, you know, it's like they kept it fiery. And

00:02:04.840 it was a little bored. And just watching the two of them nitpick and argue, they were kind of

00:02:10.340 annoying. I just didn't like the way I felt. It was just like, well, you back and forth,

00:02:16.300 back and forth to santaslice.com. Anyway, I didn't have a lot of tolerance for it.

00:02:20.780 Then he showed her to Trump and it was a very different experience. He was on, he was,

00:02:27.560 he brought his a game. He was funny. He was magnanimous. He was sort of making fun where it

00:02:33.960 was appropriate. And look, to be honest, Brett and Martha did not ask him a lot of tough questions.

00:02:39.600 They had a couple, but so it was an easy forum for him to charm people. And the audience was full

00:02:45.160 of Trump supporters and charm them. He did. So it, part of it, you know, guys, to me was like

00:02:50.260 underscored the intelligence of Trump's decision to skip all the debates where like the rest of the

00:02:56.200 candidates will just be fighting with each other about each other. And he will be above it all

00:03:00.660 being charming, dealing directly with the voters, not getting asked the toughest questions

00:03:05.940 and sailing his way to the nomination. So what did you guys think?

00:03:10.760 Now, look, I think your, your overall, uh, explanation of what it is that you're experienced

00:03:16.120 as a viewer is probably what the vast majority of Americans experienced as viewers. If they chose

00:03:21.420 to view either of these things at all, um, both Haley and DeSantis obviously would love the contrast to

00:03:28.840 be able to do a town hall on Fox while their opponents are tearing each other apart. Um,

00:03:34.300 so, you know, clearly former president Trump had a huge advantage in terms of just what it all looked

00:03:39.060 and felt like. I mean, he's talking about stuff he wants to talk about and doing it in a comfortable

00:03:43.320 arena. Whereas, you know, these guys, they're, they're in a blood sport battle at this point,

00:03:48.040 but I do think, you know, the hype coming into it, I, I agree with you. It was almost like,

00:03:52.940 oh, that's right. There was a debate tonight. I mean, all the other ones previously,

00:03:56.740 there was some build to, and there was some anticipation for, and this one, it didn't feel

00:04:01.720 like, and I don't think it's just because the stage got smaller. It's that boy, these arguments

00:04:06.020 are pretty well litigated at this point. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, that's a good point is

00:04:10.460 it feels like this primary has been going on for five years at this point. And I think everyone has

00:04:18.340 basically, all the candidates have had their opportunity to basically shape themselves as

00:04:22.100 I'm the candidate of this. I'm the candidate of this. And you saw that on display last

00:04:26.740 night at the debate between Haley and DeSantis, where, you know, they're essentially, like you

00:04:31.160 said, making the same argument over and over. I just want, I tuned in specifically because I think

00:04:37.420 it's a bit more unique of a situation than Trump has faced before where going into Iowa, essentially

00:04:43.920 it's Trump and two people fighting to go one-on-one with him. In 2016, there were still what,

00:04:50.720 like 40 people going into Iowa? Yeah. Yeah. Same in New York. So, you know, if this field

00:04:57.180 winnows even further, then I think things really get interesting. Well, yeah. I mean, that's,

00:05:02.300 that's the thing. Smug, you're absolutely 100% right. The visual and the demonstration,

00:05:07.740 if you're Nikki or you're Ron, yeah, you don't love that Trump got his solo town hall at the same

00:05:13.600 time you were doing this. But who would have thought, like, before Iowa, we basically have the

00:05:20.220 consensus beat. It's, it's one of these two people. Yep. Right. Who are going to go mano-a-mano

00:05:24.920 with Donald Trump. So, I mean, you got to feel good that it's working out that way if you're in

00:05:31.580 either of those two camps, because we're going to get some votes here really soon. And there's going

00:05:36.040 to be some like actual truth to who that candidate is going to be. No question. Yeah. But as a

00:05:41.560 spectator, I, I mean, I think all of us would be lying if we said we weren't disappointed that

00:05:45.720 Donald Trump's not participating in these debates. I mean, he is very good. We all saw that play out

00:05:50.640 in Technicolor in 2015, but you have heard it, Meg, and we've heard this over and over from the

00:05:56.300 Trump team, Susie Wiles and Chris Lasavita. They say we're running to win an election, not to

00:06:02.360 entertain people. And that sort of discipline is something that is not entirely new. It's a little

00:06:08.820 bit new in the Trump campaign. And so, and it's probably one of the secrets to their success this time

00:06:13.080 around. Yes. Yeah. Couldn't agree more. So Chris Christie was not on the stage because he

00:06:18.540 announced yesterday at five that he's dropping out. Here's a little bit of how that sounded in

00:06:25.660 SOT2. And it's clear to me tonight that there isn't a path for me to win the nomination, which

00:06:35.540 is why I'm suspending my campaign tonight for president of the United States. Because I want to promise

00:06:41.640 you this, I am going to make sure that in no way do I enable Donald Trump to ever be president of the

00:06:50.540 United States again. And that's more important than my own personal ambition.

00:06:58.080 So what's that about? I mean, first of all, Chris Christie was desperate to have a job with Trump and

00:07:06.100 was very much in team, team Trump's camp until Trump kind of turned on him. So I, I, I like Chris

00:07:13.600 Christie. I still think he's a good man. And I just, you know, his moral sanctimony for me is a little

00:07:18.860 bit much because he was begging to work for Trump. If you don't think he would have taken the position

00:07:22.940 as AG in the Trump administration, you haven't been paying attention, but Jared Kushner can't stand him

00:07:27.560 because he put Jared Kushner's dad in prison when he was AG of New Jersey. Anyway, whatever.

00:07:33.480 They all find his sanctimony in the end. So, um, he bails and why did he bail? Because of New

00:07:39.640 Hampshire? Because how tight it is between Nikki and Trump and the thought that if his 10 to 12%

00:07:44.860 New Hampshire goes to Nikki, she could actually take Trump out.

00:07:47.840 Well, look, I give Christie a lot of credit here because before this campaign started,

00:07:54.780 he came on ruthless a couple of times. We had an opportunity to talk to him on and off air

00:07:58.480 about why he would consider running for president, knowing sort of the ideological makeup of the

00:08:03.440 electorate, knowing it would be a tough road to hoe for him. And what he said was, I don't think

00:08:08.960 anybody's going to draw the necessary contrast with this president in a primary. And I think that's my

00:08:13.920 role. And he said almost word for word, what he said last night, that he doesn't want to enable

00:08:20.920 another president, another president Trump. So at the end of it, clearly that's where his campaign

00:08:27.520 was in taking the 10 to 12% New Hampshire in particular, his demographic of voters are people

00:08:33.880 who would vote for almost anybody, I think, other than former president Trump. So where they scatter,

00:08:39.520 I don't know. And I know he's had some things to say about that too, but if there is a legitimately

00:08:43.640 close race, which there appears to be now eight, nine polls in New Hampshire, showing a single

00:08:48.760 digit race between Nikki Haley and the former president, and he's taken 10, 12% off the top

00:08:53.820 of that, he would be enabling a former president Trump if he didn't step aside, which I think,

00:08:59.640 look, it's logical. You know, ego gets in the way of candidates that are running for president

00:09:04.120 all the time, but it really didn't here for Chris Christie. And for that, I give him credit

00:09:08.720 for getting in and getting out in the exact same terms. Yeah. I mean, perfectly.

00:09:14.220 But before, before you start to feel all warm and fuzzy about Chris Christie and his like,

00:09:19.320 he's helping lay the path for Nikki Haley to overcome big, bad Trump, listen to the leaked audio,

00:09:26.840 which is the hot mic moment where he was discussing, I guess this was right before he made his announcement

00:09:32.120 and he got caught on a mic talking to reporters about what he was about to do and how he saw the

00:09:37.600 landscape. And here's that and sought one. Yeah. I mean, look, she spent 68 million so far. She's

00:09:43.040 on TV, spent 68 million so far, 59 million by DeSantis. And we spent 12. I mean, who's punching

00:09:50.520 above their weight and who's getting a return on their investment, you know, and she's going to get

00:09:54.980 smoked and you and I both know it. She's not up to this. She's still 20 points behind Trump and

00:10:00.800 I'm sure. Yeah. Oh yeah. And he's going to, he's still going to carry out. Right. Yes. Oh,

00:10:04.680 he's I, you know, I talked to this DeSantis called me petrified that I would, he's probably

00:10:10.680 getting out of Iowa. And you're like, keep going. Get that. What happened to the feed?

00:10:18.720 Right. I have to assume that the rest of that sentence is petrified that I was going to endorse

00:10:25.840 Nikki, you know, and that, yeah. And then 3% he still has in Iowa would likely migrate towards

00:10:33.600 her. And then he might be in a position where he comes in third in Iowa. And that's a real tough

00:10:38.400 look for a guy who's invested so much in this state. You know, I like Chris too, but the idea

00:10:44.380 that Nikki is going to get smoked by Trump and she's trailing him. She spent all this money. Well,

00:10:49.420 yeah, I mean, she's been running a campaign in multiple States, but Chris has been essentially

00:10:53.760 running a one state primary in New Hampshire and he's, and he did a good job, you know? I mean,

00:10:59.720 like he, he had, um, the polling in the state to get them on the debate stage numerous times. He

00:11:05.020 made the argument he wanted to make, but yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe, maybe Nikki will lose to Trump.

00:11:11.600 Maybe she has a 10% chance. Well, I mean, Chris doesn't have a 10% chance, like at the end of the

00:11:17.120 day, that's the truth. I don't know if you saw this president Trump actually reacted to this

00:11:21.880 at his town hall last night. And he was like, I'm starting to like Chris a lot more.

00:11:26.020 We have that. Yeah, we do. We have that. And he, he was speculating about his, uh, vice president.

00:11:31.200 They were asking about his vice presidential, uh, choice. And I think it's in that soundbite. Let's

00:11:36.360 listen. Who would be in the running for a vice president? Well, I can't tell you that really.

00:11:41.760 I mean, I know who it's going to be, but give us a hint. I'll give you, we'll do another show

00:11:45.920 sometime. Well, what about any of the people who you've run against? Would you be open to mending

00:11:50.220 fences with any of them? Oh, sure. I will. I will. I've already started like Christy better.

00:11:59.200 Christy, Christy for vice president. I don't see it. I don't see it. That would be an upset.

00:12:04.220 Christy for vice president. Gentlemen, I'd like to announce very quick. I have a theory. I think

00:12:15.160 Chris intentionally had the hot mic on my thinking is, I mean, he's a pro. He knows what he's doing

00:12:21.600 and he wanted that to happen. I think he wanted to leave on his own terms. Like, yes, the, you know,

00:12:27.200 official announcement, he'll take the high road. He'll be the Statesman, but he wanted to go out

00:12:33.080 on his own terms. And I think he knew that Mike was on. Yeah. Interesting. I mean, could be the

00:12:37.540 one thing you get with Chris is he tells you exactly what's on his mind at all times. Yeah. Right. I

00:12:41.740 mean, that's the beauty or you love it or you hate it about Chris Christy is you just ask him.

00:12:46.900 Do you think he's going to come out today and say publicly she's going to get smoked? She's not up to

00:12:52.280 this. I don't think so. I bet if he was in front of a microphone, he would, he would have some

00:12:57.400 variation over it, but, but look, he's not going, Chris will go away. I don't think he wants to

00:13:03.060 be the guy who's mediating the 10, 12% of his own electorate. I could be wrong about that,

00:13:09.080 but it seems like if you listen to what he said up to this moment, what he said is it's,

00:13:12.560 it's insulting to suggest that my voters would just automatically migrate to one candidate or

00:13:18.280 another. I think he believes that. Yeah. I mean, you can, but do we believe that? Don't we all know

00:13:23.420 that they're going to Nikki Haley for the most part? Most of his voters are Democrats and

00:13:28.320 independents because they can vote in New Hampshire's primary on the GOP side there.

00:13:33.200 It's not Republicans. He's it's, if it is, it's never Trumpers. And she's the candidate of choice

00:13:39.400 of, you know, the less conservative voters like you see in New Hampshire, like who would be supporting

00:13:45.200 him? Yeah. It's also possible. They just stay home though. Right. If they're not supporting Chris,

00:13:50.340 they might, they might just stay home. It's possible that they support Nikki Haley and that's enough to

00:13:55.000 sort of get her over the top on, on Trump in New Hampshire, but like sort of back to the Trump

00:14:00.120 clip. What I love about that clip is it's a couple of things. Number one, Donald Trump is the master

00:14:06.180 of publicity and understanding when he has something people want, you know? And I love that he, he, in

00:14:11.060 that clip is like, well, I'll come back and do another event when I haven't enough. I'm not going

00:14:14.440 to, I'm not going to give it away to you for free. You know, like that's not how he ever operated

00:14:20.660 his entire life. Um, and then what I also love about it is the charm and the humor of the Christie

00:14:25.580 thing. I love, Oh, I'm kind of liking Christie now, you know, and he, that's the thing. I tweeted

00:14:33.360 this out last night. I was watching Nikki and Ron and you're like, okay, you know, they're fighting

00:14:37.840 policy. Mostly it was just kind of a lot of cat fighting. I have to say it was kind of, it was a

00:14:42.120 turnoff, as I said, but on some things you're like, okay, they're, they're making some progress.

00:14:46.000 They're point counterpoint. They're fighting for it. I get it. Last two standing and they're like,

00:14:51.000 who knows we could do it. And then you turn over to Fox. You're like, it's done. It's done. Look

00:14:55.500 at this guy. And I'm not saying it's necessarily the right thing for the Republican party or the

00:15:00.240 country. Um, but it's just, it's done. Look at Trump. He's just, whatever you think of the man,

00:15:06.940 you can't deny. He's like a walking ball of charisma. You know, it doesn't, it just sort of,

00:15:11.840 it's sort of just reflects where the Republican primary electorate is right now. They want to be

00:15:16.840 entertained. The, the substance is a secondary or tertiary requirement for, for who they want to be

00:15:22.780 the nominee. I mean, that's just a fact like, like Donald Trump in that, in that town hall said,

00:15:28.020 Ron DeSantis was the biggest fan of Anthony Fauci, which is just like, we have that. Let's talk about

00:15:34.760 that because that, that is the other thing with Trump. If you stay tuned long enough, you really

00:15:38.680 listen to what he's saying. You're like, well, that's not true. Well, that, that also is not

00:15:44.760 true. And this is one of the examples of that. I own a small business and time is money. Would you

00:15:51.880 ever allow a shutdown in the future? No, I wouldn't. And I never did. I let the governors

00:15:57.160 make their decisions. Florida did shut down, run to Sanctus, shut down. He shut his state down very

00:16:02.780 violently actually, and shut the highways down, the roads down. I'm a federalist in a sense,

00:16:07.680 because that's the federalist way. No, I didn't actually have a shutdown, despite the fact that

00:16:11.980 some people wanted to, and some people didn't want to. But if you go back and look at the records,

00:16:16.400 you will see that the biggest fan of Dr. Fauci was Ron DeSantis. He was a big fan. He said,

00:16:22.200 I go by exactly quote, I go by what Dr. Fauci said. He said that two months in all the way through,

00:16:29.700 and then eventually changed when it wasn't, you know, that wasn't the dessert of the day.

00:16:33.820 Dr. Fauci was not a huge factor in my administration.

00:16:40.180 Go ahead, Duncan. I love seeing that so much.

00:16:43.100 Why? Because you're just not telling the truth?

00:16:45.340 Because it's funny. Because it's fun. I love that. Like, I think that entertainment value is

00:16:50.780 so critical. It's like the spoonful of medicine, or the spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.

00:16:54.580 And Trump has that in spades. Like, he can lull you.

00:16:58.120 But there, Smug, are you positing that there he's trying to entertain us? Because there,

00:17:02.160 I think he's trying to lie. I mean, when he says he's not the dessert of the day,

00:17:06.400 like, all this is just hilariousness. I mean, look, he's very funny. No question about it.

00:17:10.600 But it's very funny. Okay. But like, I'm quick to say Trump's funny when he's funny. But that was

00:17:15.620 a lie. Like Trump. Not true. Right. I'll just give you one compilation that we pulled from

00:17:22.500 right around the time. It was March of 2020 clips. And when he did, he absolutely ordered 15 days to

00:17:29.580 slow the spread. That was him. Here's an example.

00:17:32.160 We did the right thing. We closed the country down. Could have kept it open. And I could have

00:17:38.900 done what some countries are doing. I had to shut it down. We did the right thing. I thought of

00:17:43.920 keeping it open. And we did just the right thing. We closed it down. And a group of very smart people

00:17:48.860 walk in and say, sir, we have to close it. And we did the right thing. They can't do anything

00:17:54.820 without the approval of the president of the United States. Even the Democrats aren't blaming me for

00:17:58.960 that. We had to close it up. Some people wish we never closed it down. We did the right thing.

00:18:03.700 We closed it. It's a decision for the president of the United States. We did the right thing. We

00:18:07.840 had to close it up because nobody's ever heard of closing down a country, let alone the United

00:18:12.400 States of America. That was put together by a DeSantis fan, but those are all legit clips.

00:18:19.560 And he did close. He did. And he's right that he said, it's up to you governors after the 15 days

00:18:25.760 to slow. But then he was like, OK, it's up to the governors. But it was under enormous pressure

00:18:29.640 from the White House to close, close, close, close, threatened. If you didn't close Fauci,

00:18:35.340 he did cede to Fauci, who was leaning on all these governors. Trump leaned personally on these

00:18:39.320 governors. Governor Brian Kemp of Florida. I mean, sorry, of Georgia came out and said he tried to

00:18:44.400 strong arm me into closing. So Trump could be like, I left it up to the governors. OK, but you were on the

00:18:49.760 side of closure. Go ahead, guys. Well, I mean, nobody remembers that better than President Trump

00:18:56.800 and nobody knows the stakes in a presidential race better than him because he knows that it's

00:19:01.980 on his opponents to prosecute that case, to remind people of what he said. And he's not just going to

00:19:07.460 sit there and let them say over and over and over again without responding. He takes something where

00:19:12.080 there's a kernel of truth. It actually is true that Governor DeSantis said that Fauci is doing a good job

00:19:18.620 once. Is that is that the body of evidence on DeSantis? No way. He was famous because he pushed

00:19:23.900 back against the mandates, but he actually said it once. And where Trump is so effective is that he

00:19:29.940 is on offense all the time. He takes one little fact and he drives it and drives it and drives it

00:19:36.400 in a more entertaining and memorable and forceful way than any of his opponents. And guess what?

00:19:41.580 That's how you win elections. I mean, I think you're right. And just like the thing,

00:19:44.760 like I left it up to the governors, it's like, OK, you left it up to the governors the same way

00:19:48.980 the mob boss leaves it up to the shopkeeper, whether he's going to pay the fifty dollars in

00:19:53.100 protection. Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, well, I think Africa completely nailed it is Trump knows what

00:19:59.860 could be, you know, a problem for him to deal with where he is vulnerable. And so he goes on the

00:20:05.420 offense ahead of time. And I think this is another example of whether you can have charisma or facts

00:20:10.480 on your side. You want charisma because you can prosecute the case. You can get people's

00:20:14.280 attention. You can get them listening to you. And then you can lull them with whatever message

00:20:18.260 you want, as opposed to if someone's there just like fact check, you know, I actually didn't want

00:20:23.400 to shut down. No one's going to pay attention to that person. They're going to pay attention to

00:20:26.420 someone who they think is like having a good time with. It's a sad indictment of where we are

00:20:30.520 as a country. Yeah, that's not exactly a good thing. No, I mean, it's really boring. We don't want

00:20:35.500 but but it's also Megan. Look, the other side of this coin is there are at least half of the

00:20:42.440 Republican primary electorate that what you just showed is exactly why they're uncomfortable

00:20:47.380 with President Trump. I mean, you're talking about a former president running for the nomination of his

00:20:52.140 own party. And we're still in a process where this isn't become just a coronation. Now, granted,

00:20:58.400 he's got a big lead and all likelihood will be the nominee, but he's under 50 in all of these states.

00:21:04.140 And we'll see what happens in Iowa. We'll see what happens in New Hampshire and South Carolina

00:21:07.600 and beyond. But he hasn't locked this thing down by any stretch of the imagination. That's because

00:21:11.580 there still is a very large voting bloc in the Republican primary electorate that wants things

00:21:17.380 like facts that is very concerned about the direction of our country and is concerned that

00:21:22.200 President Trump is someone who's more interested in entertaining them than they are and actually

00:21:26.860 pursuing the policies that might make life a little better. Now, what Trump has going for him

00:21:31.060 is the policy policies he implemented as president. We're pretty damn good. Yeah. And people do

00:21:36.320 remember that. But I think, look, he hasn't closed the deal because of exactly what it is that you

00:21:43.060 just showed with those clips. Yeah. And the other thing he has going for him, if you watched the Fox

00:21:47.980 Town Hall last night, person after person, Cheryl from Ames. Oh, Mr. President, I can't wait to vote for

00:21:55.560 you for the third time. You know what I mean? It was like that was the sort of stagecraft that Donald

00:22:01.080 Trump does better than almost anybody else. While the other two are arguing amongst themselves over

00:22:06.360 policy, made very good points, were very persuasive. Both of them. I thought very both of them were very

00:22:11.840 persuasive. But when you switch over to Fox and you watch person after person in Iowa get up and talk

00:22:18.080 about how Trump did things and that's why they like him. I mean, that's that's his message.

00:22:22.680 There was one that was Ashbrook. You know what that was? That was the Fox News surrender to Trump.

00:22:27.940 That's what we watched last night because they are not on Team Trump. They've been very anti-Trump

00:22:32.540 for a long, long time. They've been pro DeSantis. Then they switched to pro Nikki and they've been

00:22:38.520 very anti-Vivake and they've been very anti-Trump. But Trump, like he did in 16, has wrested this

00:22:45.120 nomination from the Republican Party, notwithstanding Fox's objection. And last night, Fox made a

00:22:52.540 decision. It was clear to me to get back in his good graces. And I thought Brett and Martha did

00:22:56.980 a fine job. Don't get me wrong. They did ask a couple of challenging questions, but they are

00:23:02.160 capable of asking much tougher questions. And more than that, it was the questions that were selected

00:23:08.600 from the audience and the people who were selected to ask the questions. Make no mistake about it.

00:23:13.760 The moderators know exactly who's coming up. All those things are pre-selected. You know exactly who

00:23:18.000 they're voting for and who they're not. You try in a perfect town hall to have balance.

00:23:22.240 You know, I'm a DeSantis person. I'm a Haley person. I'm a Christie, whatever. I'm sad today

00:23:26.180 because he left. I'm a Trump person. They were, the vast majority were Trumpers and loving Trumpers.

00:23:32.000 And there's probably some sort of a wink and a nod agreement with Team Trump to do that,

00:23:35.940 just to get him to do the town hall because he knows Fox has been unfair to him.

00:23:40.700 So last night they bent the knee. I think Rupert, what it told me is Rupert has realized

00:23:45.160 it's done. Trump's winning and it's time to get on board Team Trump. That happened with Rupert when

00:23:50.840 Trump was running for the nomination 16. I can tell you that personally, where he didn't want

00:23:56.020 him and he made a decision. It's time to turn. It's his and the election is too important to have

00:24:01.940 her win. And here we are. I mean, I could see it with my own eyes. They've made the decision.

00:24:06.380 So anyway, keep going. I think your instincts were right. What you were seeing was right. And that's

00:24:10.260 why he looks so good by their design. And I largely agree with you, Megan. I think the rep

00:24:15.160 couple instances in which Trump was forced a little bit outside of his comfort zone where

00:24:20.040 he had to clarify some statements he has made on DeSantis or Nikki or whatever. The one in

00:24:24.060 particular that I think stood out was the question on pro-life from the woman who asked

00:24:31.300 Trump basically to clarify his position on life and had voted for Trump twice and said,

00:24:40.040 you know, we, we were glad that you ended Roe. Um, but you know, Trump had actually, sorry,

00:24:46.040 Duncan to keep interrupting you. Let me play that and then pick up your thoughts. I'd like

00:24:51.080 for you to reassure me that you can protect all life. Every person's right to life without

00:24:56.720 compromise.

00:24:56.920 So that's a great question. I appreciate it too. You wouldn't be asking that question,

00:25:03.400 even talking about the issue because for 54 years, they were trying to get

00:25:07.880 Roe v. Wade terminated and I did it and I'm proud to have done it. We did it and we did something that

00:25:13.820 was a miracle. I happened to be, uh, for the exceptions, uh, like Ronald Reagan with the life

00:25:20.220 of the mother, uh, rape, incest. I have, I just have to be there. You have to win elections.

00:25:27.560 Otherwise you're going to be back where you were and you can't let that ever happen again.

00:25:32.300 You got to win elections. His aunt is, I don't know what he really believes. Cause you know,

00:25:35.920 you never know with a politician and he's doing very, very poorly. It happened to coincide with

00:25:40.720 that because a lot of people say a lot of, you know, if you talk five or six weeks, a lot of women

00:25:45.340 don't know if they're pregnant in five or six weeks. We're going to come up with something that people

00:25:49.740 want and people like 54 years. They campaigned on that issue and nobody pulled it off, but me.

00:25:57.000 So I think you're going to be happy in the end.

00:26:00.480 All right. Just quick, quick, classic Trump. We're going to come up with something people

00:26:03.940 that something that people like and they want, you're going to be very happy. Go ahead.

00:26:09.080 Yeah. No, it's exactly right. Like he always, his negotiating tactic, whenever he's trying to

00:26:14.100 sell something is he just leaves the door open to everything, you know? And so in the voter's mind,

00:26:19.100 they can sort of fill it in with exactly what they want. And then, you know, through,

00:26:23.520 through osmosis, it also in their mind becomes the position of Donald Trump. So Donald Trump wants

00:26:28.660 what I want, you know? Yeah. I would say like, look, in a Republican primary, it's not great to

00:26:35.200 sort of compromise on the issue of life and talk about how you have to win elections. If anybody else

00:26:39.560 did that, who wasn't Donald Trump, there are a lot of people in the MAGA movement who would call

00:26:43.740 him a rhino immediately, immediately. But Donald Trump just gets a pass on that thing. He called

00:26:48.940 heartbeat bills terrible. But like, look, there is some truth to what he's saying. If you just look

00:26:54.520 at the poll numbers, right? I mean, his position, I think on the issue does put him in a better place

00:27:01.400 with the general election audience. It's just Donald Trump gets to operate by a different set of rules

00:27:06.600 when it comes to triangulation or nuance and that sort of thing.

00:27:09.400 Well, I think this is another smart thing about him, Smug, because he's playing already to the

00:27:14.480 general electorate. These other two on CNN last night are playing still to the Republican base

00:27:19.360 and maybe can't have the same kind of wider appealing message.

00:27:26.280 Yeah. I mean, to reiterate on Duncan's point of how like Trump's the only person who can get away

00:27:31.300 with this, I thought it was endlessly fascinating. I think last week that poll came out

00:27:35.240 asking voters who they thought was most, a person of faith who believed in God. And Trump was like

00:27:44.480 30 points ahead of Mitt Romney. What are more people who thought that Trump was a man of faith

00:27:49.120 than Mitt Romney? Which to me is just the most astonishing and amazing thing. And again, it just

00:27:54.180 speaks to the charisma and the ability to like bend reality to his will. And that's just, I mean,

00:28:00.720 if, again, if I could have the power of charisma or the power of, you know, facts on my side, I choose

00:28:05.980 charisma every single day because you get things like that. You do get sucked in. You know, like

00:28:11.760 Scott Adams taking him on the show. What an indictment on our political moment.

00:28:15.360 It's a garbage culture. Scott Adams was so interesting. You know, he took hypnotism lessons

00:28:18.780 and he's one of the people who said Trump would win very early on in 15. And he could see Trump's

00:28:24.600 power of persuasions. He could see he's got the thing that you learn in hypnotism, like how to get the

00:28:29.120 brain. And last night I was listening and he's like, we have the best economy. We had no inflation.

00:28:33.580 We had no wars. The border was secure. We were energy independent. I was like, yeah. Yeah. And

00:28:40.520 like, this is what makes you, and he's not wrong about a lot of those things, you know, but you kind

00:28:45.680 of forget about, well, why did anybody have any problem with Trump? He's right about all that stuff

00:28:51.100 and Iran and NATO and FNA. And like, he just, he does kind of take you away, you know, like Calgon.

00:28:59.720 He takes you away. It's really amazing. Without anybody up there to sort of remind you that there's

00:29:06.260 some other problems that may be looming. It's a, it's almost a dangerous, but enjoyable dance.

00:29:13.040 It is. One other thing I would say about Nikki and Ron's debate though, is I feel like they clarified

00:29:18.580 some of those other looming challenges in a very direct way that they'd alluded to previously and

00:29:25.560 do on the stump occasionally. But I mean, it's DeSantis had a moment when he was talking about

00:29:30.720 Trump, you know, fighting this immunity claim in the DC appeals court, talking about like all the

00:29:37.120 distractions and stuff on the legal side that Donald Trump's going to face that, that, you know,

00:29:42.080 of course, when Donald Trump was president, we had a better economy and did a better job than Joe Biden

00:29:45.640 has done as president. But I think what DeSantis was sort of alluding to there is like, that's not

00:29:50.140 going to be the argument of this election. Like what's going to happen is we're going to have

00:29:53.500 a referendum election on the guy who's not president of the United States based on the fact that he's

00:29:58.580 been indicted 91 times. Yeah. This conversation changes very, very quickly. I mean, this is a

00:30:03.540 luxury. All I'd say, all I'd say the entire election campaign against Joe Biden is, are you better

00:30:09.880 off now than you were four years ago? Yeah. Are you better off now than you were for? You just keep

00:30:13.820 saying that it's, it's such a unique situation where he was the president for four years from

00:30:19.720 four years ago back. And this other guy he's running against has had the last four years. So it's like,

00:30:24.300 you can very easily determine which guy do I prefer? You've had both experience, a very rare experience

00:30:29.940 for American voters. Democrats actually wanted to defeat Donald Trump. They would have done something

00:30:35.660 to shut down the border. They would have actually done something about inflation. They would have

00:30:39.920 protected American energy independence, all the things that the lefties in this country are against.

00:30:45.440 If they wanted to defeat Donald Trump, they would have governed like Donald Trump. They didn't do

00:30:49.860 that. And so they've left the door open. But I will say this. I think they recognize this is the one

00:30:54.680 like major pitfall of Trump as a candidate is, of course, if you were to run and say, are you better off

00:31:01.680 now than you were under my presidency? Of course, he wins that argument. And it's an

00:31:05.520 extremely convincing one. He's just not going to make it. There's going to be so many. There's

00:31:10.700 going to be so many instances where he starts, you know, the question could be, oh, well, how was

00:31:15.280 the economy under you? Oh, well, the economy was great. But here's the thing. These judges against

00:31:19.520 me, they're horrible people. And the Supreme Court owes me. They better follow through on that.

00:31:25.020 And the question is not the economy. Exactly. I'm sick of these judges. You know, like that's

00:31:29.000 and I think Democrats recognize this, which is why they really, really wanted Trump to be the

00:31:33.320 candidate and why they don't need to worry about, OK, well, if we don't do something about the

00:31:37.520 situation at the border, we're screwed now, because they know that it's going to all become

00:31:41.740 just like in the midterms. We're going to talk about January 6th. We're going to talk about 96

00:31:45.820 indictments. So that's the biggest problem. And there's an interesting point, because last night

00:31:51.120 he was on fire. He was great. I give him an A plus on his performance last night, in part because

00:31:55.900 he was not asked any of these questions. But, you know, as soon as he goes over to that CNN again,

00:32:00.380 remember that Caitlin Collins town hall? That's all they want to talk about that. So they will

00:32:06.020 be introducing the topics that are his triggers. You know, they'll love to spoon feed him those

00:32:11.380 just like, you know, it's sort of like with a cow prod. Go ahead. Yeah. No, I mean, look,

00:32:15.980 I think that's right. He's not going to have the luxury of making any kind of argument that he had

00:32:20.600 last night in any real way, because his opposition has to say, too, and they are going to be well

00:32:25.840 financed. And as we could tell from 2020, they're really good at getting out their vote to try to

00:32:30.980 defeat who they think is a threat to the country, which is the case that they'll be making in

00:32:35.200 technicolor for the next nine months. And so, yeah, like, I think this is a moment in time where

00:32:40.300 we're all looking at like that town hall last night saying, man, he just like barreled the bat on

00:32:44.980 everything. Well, it's also a very unique moment in time where there's still a constituency for

00:32:49.440 two thirds of the things that he's talking about. Like that changes post primary. That

00:32:54.520 constituency is already baked into the cake and you have to go and find out what gets you from 45 to

00:32:59.580 51. And those people are going to be very difficult for Donald Trump. I mean, we've seen

00:33:04.640 six straight years of election data that shows that there's a hard ceiling on a lot of that for a guy

00:33:10.280 like Donald Trump that, you know, frankly, Nikki or Ron don't have. And again, well, there's one

00:33:15.780 advantage that he's got over not Ron DeSantis, but he's got an advantage over Ron DeSantis. But Nikki

00:33:23.540 Haley has the advantage over Trump and that's on abortion when we're talking about a general

00:33:26.940 electorate, right? The general electorate versus the GOP voters is more liberal on the issue of

00:33:32.780 abortion. You guys, last time you guys were on, we had a deep conversation about abortion and all

00:33:36.660 that. But so it's it's good. It's smart of Trump to sound more moderate if he's trying to appeal to

00:33:43.140 general election voters. However, I did think it was very interesting to listen to a clip, at least I

00:33:50.160 don't watch Morning Joe, but I saw a clip of them having a meltdown over that abortion answer that we

00:33:56.120 just played from the left. Keep in mind, Morning Joe is supposed to be Republican. He's supposed to be a

00:34:01.360 Republican. They had a meltdown from the left. And I'll let you hear it for yourselves how they interpreted

00:34:08.240 that remark we just heard. He's grown so old and hobbled intellectually, I guess, because he thinks

00:34:17.460 he's running against Barack Obama. He's worried about World War Two starting. He made an incredible

00:34:24.300 political mistake, and he knows it this morning. He knows it. Incredible political mistake last night

00:34:29.400 going. I was the one who terminated Roe v. Wade. I was the one that just me, nobody else could have

00:34:38.240 stripped away 50 years of women's rights the way I, Donald Trump, did. I terminated Roe v. Wade.

00:34:47.360 And everybody in his campaign staff was like, oh, my God.

00:34:53.780 So it's, they think, but by the way, just to clarify, I mean, just so you know, you should

00:35:00.460 not get your facts from Morning Joe, because President Trump has been saying this exact line

00:35:05.980 since Dobbs was decided. Since Roe was overturned, I'll just, I just had my team pull a couple.

00:35:12.020 Here he was on Newsmax. I'm the one who got rid of Roe v. Wade, and everyone said it would be

00:35:16.680 impossible. Trump after the decision in 2022. The decision's only made possible because I delivered

00:35:22.000 everything I was promised. It was my great honor to do so. Trump in 2023. Without me,

00:35:26.520 the pro-life movement would have just kept losing. Thank you, President Trump. That's him thinking

00:35:30.600 himself. It's definitely not new. And I, I look, I think what Joe, I think is alluding to is the fact

00:35:43.520 that the vast majority of voters who this is a very important issue to never get beyond the I did X,

00:35:49.740 but they already know that. Right. So, I mean, there is nobody that is going to be confused about

00:35:55.360 Donald Trump's position on abortion. The question is in that later part of the segment, when he was

00:36:00.140 talking about, you know, is there an accommodation that you can come to that's reasonable, which is a

00:36:04.480 conversation that, you know, like Ron DeSantis has not had. Nikki Haley does have, and I think has

00:36:09.280 demonstrated a very good way for a lot of conservatives to talk about abortion, but Trump's trying to get

00:36:14.000 into that lane. And he's got the credibility with the pro-life movement by first reminding everybody

00:36:19.160 of the obvious that Roe v. Wade would still be there had we not had three Supreme Court justices

00:36:24.260 change the dynamic of the court. Yeah. And he seems to be aware of the politics of the issue,

00:36:28.440 quite frankly. I mean, he watched the election cycle in 2022, the same as everybody else. And he

00:36:34.360 knows that this is a very challenging issue for Republicans, which makes me wonder, does he pick a VP

00:36:39.860 who can help him on this issue specifically? I'm not saying he's going to take Nikki Haley, but

00:36:44.980 I mean, she wouldn't be a bad choice. That's interesting. I bet it'll be a woman.

00:36:49.480 I just have a feeling it's going to be a woman. It's weird to me. He can be so perceptive on a way

00:36:54.700 to sort of triangulate for the general election on an issue that's as difficult as life and abortion,

00:37:00.320 but then still talk about how 2020 was rigged every single day, which he knows is a loser.

00:37:07.160 It's a loser. It's a loser issue. He believes it.

00:37:12.280 Right. Like that's Jack Smith's problem is he's in court trying to prove Trump knew it was a lie.

00:37:18.460 And I think anybody other than hard partisan leftists know Trump didn't think so. Trump

00:37:26.140 believed and believes to this moment. He's never lost anything like it's it just it didn't happen,

00:37:33.880 didn't happen, didn't happen. As good as he is at hypnotizing the electorate, he's done it to

00:37:38.380 himself first. That's who he is. So that's why he can't get off of it. So if I were a Democrat who

00:37:43.220 wanted to see him go down, I would spend my interview being like, what do you make of January

00:37:48.120 6th? Did you get screwed? What happened? What happened in Michigan? Let's walk back through the

00:37:51.940 Georgia vote and those 11,000. Didn't you that get stolen? I'd tee it up just to make him say all the

00:37:57.080 things that the middle hates. Anyway, I know. I know his team realizes he shouldn't be talking

00:38:03.680 about it. I don't think Brett and Martha wanted to talk about it. I did not raise that stuff when

00:38:08.260 I talked to him. He's talked about it enough. But we are in for a year of leftist media asking him

00:38:14.340 about everything. Yeah. Standby. Quick break. Much, much more. The guys are with us for the whole

00:38:19.740 show. And there's plenty more to go over.

00:38:21.520 You can go to DeSantisLies.com.

00:38:51.520 A website repeated that much since DickMorris.com used to come on Fox News.

00:38:57.400 Wow.

00:38:58.860 What did you guys make of that, her new line, her new attempt to disparage?

00:39:02.900 I think what she's trying to do is avoid being the one to litigate all of this in public herself all the time and point people to a direction where they think they've got some material that points out the deficiencies of Ron DeSantis without her having to get in the dogfight.

00:39:16.360 But that happened anyway.

00:39:18.560 So, I mean, it's a tactic that we've used from an operative standpoint a lot is you have these microsites that point out various aspects of your opponent's record.

00:39:27.880 And if you can get people to land on the page, then you can educate some people on some stuff.

00:39:32.400 Yeah, because you don't want to spend all of your time in the debate reacting to the thing that the other person said and having to correct the record because then you're not getting your message out.

00:39:40.880 So these microsites and stuff sort of become, you know, your way of parrying away what they said and then getting to the point you want to make.

00:39:49.840 The problem is, like, it also becomes a crutch in and of itself where part of winning a debate is successfully parrying it away and then making the point all in the same 30 seconds, 90 seconds.

00:40:05.320 And I think DeSantis did a better job and I think they both had had good moments in the debate.

00:40:11.520 But I think DeSantis is better at at taking what what Nikki is saying, making a point and then pivoting to when I was governor, I actually did the thing.

00:40:23.860 You know what I mean?

00:40:24.380 And she she kind of it became a crutch where she was just sort of relying on this microsite to sort of move on, which I don't think is something annoying about it, too.

00:40:34.120 It was like I heard it already.

00:40:35.680 It's starting to feel like you're a telemarketer.

00:40:38.420 You know, I've had enough.

00:40:40.740 I what am I supposed to donate to you when I get there?

00:40:43.400 For sure, you're going to hit me up for money.

00:40:45.280 There's a reason you keep saying it dozens of times.

00:40:48.880 Credit to Breitbart for putting together that soundbite.

00:40:52.280 Meanwhile, I think DeSantis overall, yes, I agree.

00:40:56.320 He did well.

00:40:56.960 I'd have to give him the advantage as between the two of them and how it went over, how it made me feel.

00:41:01.920 But he had some doozies in there, too, like this one in SOT 4.

00:41:07.160 You know, I debated the governor of California, Gavin Newsom.

00:41:10.440 You know, I thought he lied a lot.

00:41:12.340 Man, Nikki Haley may gives him a run for his money and she may even be more liberal than Gavin Newsom is.

00:41:17.660 No, no, stuck with just lies as much.

00:41:22.280 I don't think she's not more liberal than Gavin Newsom.

00:41:25.500 Is anyone more liberal than Gavin Newsom?

00:41:27.840 That's the thing.

00:41:28.340 I bet Trump could convince people like when he's when he's on a roll and you're like lulled to it.

00:41:34.460 You know, I bet he could he could drop that and it'd be a lot smoother.

00:41:37.920 DeSantis just doesn't do rehearsed lines well.

00:41:42.100 It's not his style.

00:41:43.620 I wish his team didn't give them to him.

00:41:45.460 It doesn't work.

00:41:46.240 I completely agree.

00:41:47.020 But when you're right, Duncan, he's exactly right.

00:41:50.820 And when you're doing these debates, you have to ask you.

00:41:53.600 You're basically making a choice in that.

00:41:55.880 Are you talking to the audience of people who are sitting there and watching CNN for a solid hour to decide who it is they like better?

00:42:02.920 Or are you talking to an audience of people who are going to be looking at clips of the debate, watching things that are that are said afterwards?

00:42:10.840 And you have you have to figure out how to address both of those audiences because they're equally as important.

00:42:16.280 I would say on the Nikki Haley thing, if if there's one thing anybody remembered out of that debate, it's that she and her campaign are saying that DeSantis lies and maybe somebody goes to the Web site.

00:42:27.460 They certainly weren't going to go to the Web site if she hadn't mentioned it 16000 times.

00:42:31.280 And maybe maybe it makes her look awkward, but maybe that's a risk she's willing to run to get people to go to the Web site.

00:42:39.000 She also look at we're talking about it.

00:42:40.920 If this presidential thing doesn't work out for her, she could replace Billy Mays.

00:42:45.060 It's an info telemarketing.

00:42:47.160 No, I think that market cornered.

00:42:52.380 Oh, by the way, Vivek is still in the race.

00:42:54.420 Just still technically out there.

00:42:58.160 She's obviously focused on New Hampshire, supremely focused on New Hampshire.

00:43:02.860 We talked about the Chris Christie effect.

00:43:05.120 I just want to give the audience the latest polling in New Hampshire.

00:43:08.520 The thing that has Team Haley and her her supporters excited is there's a CNN poll that shows Trump only seven points up over Nikki in New Hampshire.

00:43:20.960 Trump at thirty nine, Nikki at thirty two.

00:43:24.440 She has a twelve point jump since the last CNN poll, which was in November.

00:43:28.580 And Christie in that poll had twelve percent.

00:43:30.920 So thirty two plus twelve is forty four.

00:43:32.740 And there's Trump at thirty nine leading people to think, OK, if Christie drops out, she's actually got a chance of not just coming in first in the undercard contest in New Hampshire.

00:43:43.320 She could beat Trump, which could potentially stop his momentum.

00:43:46.840 This is the hope of those who don't want Trump.

00:43:48.600 But you look around and there's a New Hampshire Republican poll out of WD, WHDH TV and Emerson.

00:43:57.660 It gets an A minus rating and Trump is up 16.

00:44:03.160 There's one from USA Today.

00:44:04.600 Suffolk also has an A minus rating that poll.

00:44:07.240 So it's a good one.

00:44:08.140 Trump is up 20.

00:44:09.640 And I've heard a lot of people say you cannot trust New Hampshire polling.

00:44:12.640 I don't know why you cannot trust it, but I've heard a lot of people say that,

00:44:15.300 like, be very careful about putting too much stock into these numbers out of New Hampshire.

00:44:20.180 Look, if she doesn't, let's talk Turkey.

00:44:23.180 If DeSantis because DeSantis right now might lose Iowa to Nikki Haley, too, he's definitely going to lose it.

00:44:29.880 Trump, I think it looks that way.

00:44:32.320 And if he comes in third in Iowa, do you agree he's out?

00:44:35.800 He's going to announce he's done after Iowa.

00:44:38.000 And if she and then we'll do her after.

00:44:42.980 Yeah, well, look, I think it gets exceedingly very difficult.

00:44:45.760 I mean, he's made it plain since the very beginning that they intend to play in Iowa as a primary strength of that campaign.

00:44:51.500 And they've put a ton of resources into Iowa.

00:44:54.420 If he's not in second in Iowa, I think it gets very, very difficult because, look, you immediately pivot and go to New Hampshire and he's not even really playing there.

00:45:01.080 Right. So that's a long period of time where you have underperformed expectations.

00:45:06.980 It gets very difficult to fundraise.

00:45:08.860 Your ability to stay on top of the news cycle wanes.

00:45:12.640 You know, people naturally want to go with a momentum candidate.

00:45:16.120 So I do think it would be very difficult for DeSantis.

00:45:18.780 And I think that, look, the most significant thing that can happen in this race is if Nikki Haley figures out how to get into second place in Iowa.

00:45:25.800 Yep. Because if that happens, coupled with the Chris Christie departure in New Hampshire and she's got a very real shot, it's not just those polls that you listed, Megan.

00:45:34.740 There's a half dozen more that, you know, may not show her within the margin of error, but has huge momentum swing where she was down in the low, you know, 10, 11, 12.

00:45:46.480 Now up to the 30s and almost every other poll, regardless of where Trump is.

00:45:50.840 And right when you want it, Holmes. Right. Right.

00:45:52.420 When you she's gotten the momentum right when you want it.

00:45:54.320 Exactly when you want it. And so, look, if she gets second there and then all of a sudden shocks the world and beats that sort of fait accompli that Trump has had since the beginning of this campaign, that he's eventually going to be the nominee.

00:46:07.080 You're then going into her home state in a mano a mano.

00:46:11.340 Like if they were looking for one way to make this actual race interesting, it would be that exact set of circumstances.

00:46:17.960 Yep. And I think also a lot of this discussion should be around the problems that the DeSantis campaign has had since launch where, I mean, they've had numerous people who have left the super PAC and then the super PAC leaked details of what their plan was.

00:46:32.020 And then the candidate has to come out and say, no, that's not our plan.

00:46:33.920 Like it's been very chaotic to where they've boxed themselves into a position where if they don't come in second place in Iowa, it's essentially a wrap because then they go into New Hampshire and they're expecting to get third at best.

00:46:44.080 Then they're going to South Carolina, hoping to get third at best.

00:46:45.940 Like what is the case for staying in at that point?

00:46:49.060 So they've cornered themselves into a very terrible situation.

00:46:51.620 Yeah, I think there's some evidence, though.

00:46:53.880 And I mean, an Iowa caucus, a caucus system just overall tends to reward the most organized, most conservative candidate.

00:47:01.540 We've I mean, we've seen this numerous times.

00:47:03.900 So it's always why like the Ron Paul people did so well in contests like this.

00:47:08.060 And I think that's an advantage to DeSantis.

00:47:11.180 I would also encourage people to read the Associated Press's recent story.

00:47:16.040 Steve Peoples had a great article from on the ground in Iowa, and they pointed out a couple of things that I think are interesting.

00:47:21.900 Sixty three percent of like the first time Republican caucus goers are saying Trump is their first choice.

00:47:26.900 And there's people in here that they talk to who said, I'm 100 percent behind Trump, but I'm only pretty sure I'm going to end up caucusing for him.

00:47:34.580 And it's going to be two degrees.

00:47:36.180 And Nikki Haley's coalition is a lot of independent voters and Democrats who aren't diehard Republicans.

00:47:41.640 And maybe they decide to stay home on that day.

00:47:43.500 So I think like some of those mechanics might actually benefit DeSantis and make sure he, you know, he ends up securing second place.

00:47:49.620 I just have to correct Duncan on one thing.

00:47:51.120 The high for the day is two degrees.

00:47:52.720 Yeah.

00:47:53.100 We're sending smug.

00:47:54.580 We're sending smug to Iowa for this.

00:47:57.220 Are you really?

00:47:57.620 Because I care so much.

00:47:59.120 He's up to date.

00:47:59.660 I'm going to be out there in negative 20.

00:48:01.640 It's going to be negative 20.

00:48:02.660 Yeah.

00:48:03.300 Yes.

00:48:03.860 Yes.

00:48:04.060 And we're going to be in the safety and comfort of the studio here on Monday night.

00:48:09.220 And we're just going to bully smug.

00:48:10.640 It's going to be awesome.

00:48:12.220 For a smug.

00:48:13.580 It's going to be exciting to be out there, though.

00:48:15.320 I have to say, like, that is one thing I miss about working for the big cable channel, going out there like on the big nights and being in the midst of you're not really in the midst of the people you're sitting on a studio desk.

00:48:24.340 But, you know, getting to go and meet the locals and sort of hear from them directly what's on their mind.

00:48:29.180 We'll probably be doing more of that over the night over the coming year.

00:48:31.780 But it's going to be cool.

00:48:32.960 And I love watching American democracy and work, whatever they decide.

00:48:35.860 You know, we'll live with it.

00:48:36.780 We'll try to interpret it.

00:48:37.640 We'll try to read the tea leaves.

00:48:38.640 But they have a lot of power, these Iowa voters.

00:48:41.200 All eyes are on them.

00:48:42.380 Stand by.

00:48:43.160 The guys stay with us.

00:48:44.140 So much more to get to, including Jill Biden and how she's ashamed of what you people are doing to Hunter.

00:48:50.800 Don't go away.

00:48:51.400 Dr. Jill Biden sat down with Mika Brzezinski.

00:49:01.640 And it was a very hard hitting.

00:49:03.620 No, no, it wasn't.

00:49:05.820 And Mika in on the heels of Hunter thumbing his middle finger at Congress yesterday morning.

00:49:14.400 Right.

00:49:14.720 He blew off the congressional subpoena, which we've been told by Jack Smith.

00:49:18.480 It's very, very important to comply with subpoenas.

00:49:20.980 You could get criminally prosecuted by Jack Smith if you don't comply with a subpoena.

00:49:25.720 He blew it off.

00:49:27.040 And then when they were having the hearing on whether he should be held in criminal contempt

00:49:30.540 and then refer this case to the Justice Department, he showed up out of nowhere.

00:49:35.220 Hey, hi.

00:49:35.860 How you doing?

00:49:36.320 Here I am, Hunter.

00:49:37.820 And then just got up and walked out when Marjorie Taylor Greene started speaking.

00:49:41.880 And it was just a big middle finger to the entire process and really to the American people.

00:49:46.160 So Mika mentions that incident and Hunter's hot, messy life to Dr. Jill.

00:49:55.180 And here is what she said on Saw 20.

00:49:59.660 How have you been coping personally with the onslaught of accusations against your husband

00:50:05.720 and your family, including and especially Hunter?

00:50:08.300 It's the focus of a House Oversight Committee hearing, holding him in contempt, obsessing

00:50:13.260 over him, showing pictures of him during vulnerable moments in his battle with addiction on the

00:50:19.440 floor of the house.

00:50:20.760 This would crush any family.

00:50:23.360 Mika, I think what they are doing to Hunter is cruel.

00:50:27.280 And I'm really proud of how Hunter has rebuilt his life after addiction.

00:50:35.620 You know, I love my son and it's hurt my grandchildren.

00:50:40.780 And that's what I'm so concerned about, that it's affecting their lives as well.

00:50:48.300 It's cruel.

00:50:49.560 It's cruel, Smug.

00:50:50.220 Yeah.

00:50:51.280 So when first off, she says during vulnerable moments, these photos, you mean the photos

00:50:56.980 he took himself with prostitutes doing crap?

00:51:00.440 Is that a vulnerable moment?

00:51:02.120 Pretty vulnerable.

00:51:02.760 And then when she tries to play the my grandchildren card, you mean like the grandchild that Hunter

00:51:07.900 had with the stripper in Alabama that you guys aren't let have the last name Biden, the

00:51:12.640 one that you went to court so that they're not allowed to have the name of their father?

00:51:16.340 Real family, you know, family folks over here.

00:51:18.620 Also, they talk about him like it's some high school kid getting bullied.

00:51:22.860 He's 53 years old, Megan.

00:51:25.780 53.

00:51:27.300 Did you happen to notice the people he was with?

00:51:31.800 One of them was the producer of a documentary about him.

00:51:35.900 In his most vulnerable moment, this poor guy brought in his Hollywood benefactor producer

00:51:41.620 to make a show out of it so they can make more money.

00:51:44.060 Don't you think that's the whole thing?

00:51:45.300 Like, that's the reason why he showed up in the first place.

00:51:47.960 He's like, it'll be great content for the documentary.

00:51:50.480 And then I'll storm out when when MTG gets up into the dais.

00:51:54.120 For sure.

00:51:54.480 Right.

00:51:54.960 It's like 100 percent.

00:51:56.040 This wasn't about he wanted to answer to the subpoena or he wants to comply with the

00:51:59.720 process or wants to tell the truth.

00:52:01.780 This was content.

00:52:02.940 He was making content for a documentary.

00:52:05.260 Yeah.

00:52:05.580 And he's an artist.

00:52:06.440 And who amongst us hasn't had several crack rock bags and then decided to shake down Chinese

00:52:13.920 governments and things like that, right?

00:52:16.420 It's cruel to point it out, Holmes.

00:52:18.320 It's cruel to ask him about it.

00:52:20.960 I mean, it's amazing.

00:52:22.020 Like yesterday, not for nothing, but on the show, we had Dean Phillips, the Democrat who's

00:52:25.720 trying to challenge Joe Biden for the nomination.

00:52:28.240 And this is a Democrat centrist candidate from Minnesota.

00:52:33.500 And he he was saying I said, all right, let's let's put it as he claimed he doesn't

00:52:38.940 hadn't seen evidence that Joe was involved in any of Hunter's nefarious campaigns.

00:52:42.640 Disagree.

00:52:42.960 But I was like, OK, fine.

00:52:44.020 We only have limited time with the guy.

00:52:45.180 I said, all right, let's table all the evidence that he has, because we've had the whistleblowers

00:52:48.180 on the show walking us through in great detail the evidence showing Joe knew and we had a

00:52:52.680 role.

00:52:53.260 But let's put table.

00:52:54.100 And I said, in what world is it OK for the sitting vice president who's in charge of

00:52:57.840 Ukraine policy to let his son sit on a board of a corrupt company over in Ukraine?

00:53:02.580 And he said, it's not it's not it's totally wrong.

00:53:05.720 It's it is corrupt and it shouldn't be shouldn't have been allowed under any certain.

00:53:09.120 Now, that's a Democrat.

00:53:09.900 How is it cruel to now ask Hunter about those relationships, to ask Joe Biden about the to

00:53:17.540 say this looks corrupt and it is a family business?

00:53:21.140 She's a liar.

00:53:22.240 I'm sorry, but she's a liar, just like her husband and her son.

00:53:25.840 Yes.

00:53:26.200 Well, the one thing that Democrats like the Bidens have become so used to over the years

00:53:30.180 is that they are surprised anybody has to ask any questions.

00:53:33.320 It's like, wow, I can't imagine that I actually have to defend anything because I don't usually.

00:53:38.940 That's right.

00:53:39.360 And the fact of the matter is, is they didn't for an awful long time.

00:53:42.720 It wasn't until a House Republican majority actually did some investigation, which, by

00:53:46.780 the way, they put out all the evidence and then it's summarily dismissed by the mainstream

00:53:50.880 press.

00:53:51.320 You like you will not read a single thing about this on the front page of The New York

00:53:54.720 Times, The Washington Post or The Associated Press or anything like it just doesn't exist.

00:53:58.400 If you want to actually get the information, you got to read a damn press release.

00:54:01.600 I mean, really, from the government, from the from the committee.

00:54:04.900 Yeah.

00:54:05.260 Which is wild in contrast to where we were during the Trump years, where if Adam Schiff

00:54:10.820 so much as whispered something to The New York Times that was completely wrong without

00:54:16.280 any evidence whatsoever, it was the front page of The New York Times and they won Pulitzer's

00:54:20.240 for it.

00:54:20.780 Yeah.

00:54:20.980 And somebody asked him a key question yesterday.

00:54:23.000 They said, Mr. Biden, what kind of crack do you normally smoke?

00:54:25.680 And I haven't heard an answer to that question yet.

00:54:29.680 There are people who are actually wondering if there's someone to be kind of.

00:54:34.280 Mika could ask that.

00:54:35.720 She could ask.

00:54:36.440 She could have.

00:54:38.080 All right.

00:54:38.620 No, that's a joke.

00:54:40.300 But like a crack brain.

00:54:42.120 We don't know.

00:54:42.460 She did not ask her any hard questions.

00:54:44.780 And it's like if you're going to sit there and tee it up for the first lady to say this

00:54:48.400 is cruel what they're doing to my son, then you better if you actually consider yourself

00:54:53.520 a journalist who criticizes other journalists.

00:54:56.520 Get ready for a couple of tough follow ups.

00:54:59.200 Madam, let me walk you through why they're investigating him.

00:55:04.140 And by the way, why do we have those nudie pics of Hunter?

00:55:07.640 Because he thought his unit was the most photographable, whatever was the word, photogenic unit in the

00:55:15.940 world.

00:55:16.660 He couldn't get enough of his own disgusting, hairy body.

00:55:20.700 That's the only reason we've seen it.

00:55:22.480 Megan, have you seen the footwork?

00:55:25.180 I haven't seen the footwork.

00:55:26.800 There's footwork that is shit on Frank's hand.

00:55:29.100 I mean, I think, you know, as funny as that is, that's actually a critical question to ask

00:55:32.940 because it came from the laptop that that campaign told reporters is disinformation.

00:55:38.780 During a campaign, the American people is disinformation.

00:55:42.000 And now we know it to be true.

00:55:43.740 Will they be willing to take responsibility for lying to the American people to win an election?

00:55:47.480 Because that's what they did.

00:55:48.280 So here's here's how I'm going to tie it together.

00:55:51.760 Go ahead, Ashburn.

00:55:52.800 I'll tie it together.

00:55:53.440 Before you tie it together, I think we've just stumbled across the reason why Dr.

00:55:57.700 Jill Biden talked to Mika Brzezinski and not Megyn Kelly.

00:56:00.300 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:56:03.040 I just feel it's an egregious fall down on the job.

00:56:05.500 Like, look, I get it.

00:56:07.540 That's her side.

00:56:08.720 She's very clearly voting for the Bidens.

00:56:10.800 And that's OK.

00:56:11.620 Journalists are allowed to vote in elections and have a preference.

00:56:14.660 But when you're across from the other person as a journalist, fucking do your job.

00:56:20.080 I'm sorry.

00:56:20.980 I believe my record stands up on this.

00:56:24.420 I do it.

00:56:25.140 I do it when I'm across from the person I know I'm going to vote for.

00:56:29.640 Why?

00:56:29.960 Because I want to be mean to that person?

00:56:31.460 Because I don't want this person to like me?

00:56:33.240 No, because it's my job.

00:56:35.000 Especially because Mika and Joe, as part of their show, very frequently are critics of

00:56:39.940 the media and their coverage.

00:56:41.020 Yep.

00:56:41.320 Right.

00:56:41.620 All right.

00:56:41.900 And they've been critical of Joe Biden and the coverage of Joe Biden.

00:56:46.360 And it's like you finally have the opportunity to be a real journalist and you fall asleep

00:56:49.840 on the job.

00:56:51.260 OK, so this brings me this where I tie it all together, Ashbrook, to Morning Joe's take

00:56:56.880 on the Fox News Town Hall.

00:56:59.700 They were horrified with Brett and Martha.

00:57:03.160 Take a listen to this.

00:57:04.580 I would call it softball, a softball event.

00:57:09.360 I've never seen one as as as as fawning.

00:57:14.420 I'm not even sure why did they have two hosts there?

00:57:17.580 You know, they could have just had one to just sit there and smile and say, you're great.

00:57:22.440 Ask another softball question.

00:57:24.420 The Fox News hosts who were just absolute jokes.

00:57:28.300 It was just an embarrassment.

00:57:29.740 Like Fox News.

00:57:30.580 Oh, we're going to be for this.

00:57:31.440 Even DeSantis's people were like, seriously, this is a paid advertisement for Donald Trump,

00:57:37.040 which it was.

00:57:39.300 Oh, my God.

00:57:41.840 All right.

00:57:42.360 Look, was there a quote unquote news team in the entire business that did more to see

00:57:51.620 President Trump elected than those two?

00:57:54.580 Was there a more obsequious, fawning pair in media than Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski

00:58:03.100 in 2015 when it came to the Republican race?

00:58:06.720 They licked Trump's boots every morning.

00:58:11.520 I watched.

00:58:12.220 They loved the taste of the bottom of his shoes.

00:58:16.680 They couldn't get enough of it.

00:58:18.520 But this woman who embarrassed herself with the first lady has the nerve to sit on that

00:58:23.660 set and rip on Fox News for a fine town hall.

00:58:28.560 It wasn't excoriating.

00:58:29.940 It was fine.

00:58:31.120 Has she has the nerve after we just pulled some of her highlights?

00:58:34.600 Believe me, we'd be here all day if we pulled Joe's.

00:58:37.020 Look, here's just a little sample of her back in 2015.

00:58:40.160 She's rubbing his hair.

00:58:47.180 Rubbing Trump's hair.

00:58:48.200 Rubbing.

00:58:49.460 He's smiling.

00:58:50.380 Did you get a lot of sleep last night?

00:58:51.540 Well, yeah.

00:58:52.720 Well, I got woken up.

00:58:54.900 But I...

00:58:55.500 Why was?

00:58:56.320 Well, you know, just...

00:58:58.200 Well, Donald wanted me to see the CPAC speech.

00:59:01.820 I was skeptical, but I pulled it up on the Internet.

00:59:05.220 Yeah.

00:59:06.500 It was pretty good.

00:59:07.460 Pretty good.

00:59:08.040 Mika, what do you mean pretty good?

00:59:09.620 You know you loved it.

00:59:12.480 Wow.

00:59:13.660 Trump, you're naughty.

00:59:15.960 They're hugging.

00:59:16.800 They're kissing.

00:59:19.020 That's just her.

00:59:19.800 Yeah.

00:59:21.280 Spare me.

00:59:22.180 Spare me your indignation, people.

00:59:24.700 I love this, Megan, as you were sort of winding up to that clip.

00:59:29.140 I was ready to call out that clip.

00:59:31.620 It's an absolute mind meld.

00:59:32.920 I've watched that like 15 times.

00:59:35.040 It's so funny.

00:59:36.020 Let's put that together.

00:59:36.820 We got to give credit.

00:59:37.680 I can't remember.

00:59:38.840 But you can find it on YouTube.

00:59:41.120 It's almost like you're...

00:59:43.760 They just let them call in, right?

00:59:45.940 And it's like you're talking to your boyfriend.

00:59:47.820 And you're sort of spinning the cord of the phone, you know?

00:59:52.800 Like laying on your stomach on your bed late at night talking to your boyfriend.

00:59:57.520 I mean, that's really what it's like, Megan.

00:59:59.720 It's totally...

01:00:01.000 You nailed it when you said it's obsequious.

01:00:02.980 That's what it was.

01:00:04.240 And people forget that.

01:00:05.380 And also, that is a critical thing is for the entire cycle, they had an open airway,

01:00:11.400 open channel.

01:00:12.160 Anytime Trump wanted to call in, he got through.

01:00:15.040 No matter what was on his mind, no matter what news was happening, they're like, oh, Trump

01:00:19.020 called in, patch him through immediately.

01:00:21.260 And there was a calculation, I remember, of the amount of airtime that he got on Morning

01:00:26.940 Joe was more than other candidates, Super PACs had in their entire budget on ads.

01:00:32.860 And by phone.

01:00:33.680 And not just that.

01:00:34.780 On NBC proper, too.

01:00:36.280 On NBC, they took phoners from a presidential candidate who very clearly could have been

01:00:40.820 sitting there.

01:00:41.240 Now we know he was actually reading notes to...

01:00:43.820 It was like the whole...

01:00:44.860 So it's fine.

01:00:45.380 It happened.

01:00:45.880 Whatever.

01:00:46.160 He went out and become...

01:00:47.060 But spare me.

01:00:48.540 You are not in a position to be criticizing any anchors when it comes to interviews of

01:00:55.540 President Trump.

01:00:56.660 Take a seat.

01:00:58.020 You stink at this.

01:01:00.380 All right.

01:01:00.760 I'm going to get back to the media in a couple of seconds, but I don't want to get off of

01:01:04.680 Dr. Jill because there's a couple more things that were interesting, what she said.

01:01:07.760 So first, she's got thoughts on the president's vigor that you might find interesting.

01:01:13.260 Take a listen to SOT19.

01:01:15.380 Your husband is 81.

01:01:16.760 At the end of the second term, he'd be 86.

01:01:20.160 As his life partner of 46 years, is there a part of you that is worried about his age

01:01:26.360 and health?

01:01:27.200 Can he do it?

01:01:28.860 He can do it.

01:01:30.080 And I see Joe every day.

01:01:32.060 I see him out, you know, traveling around this country.

01:01:36.140 I see his vigor.

01:01:37.280 I see his energy.

01:01:38.840 I see his passion.

01:01:43.680 He's got so much vigor.

01:01:45.140 That's why Dr. Jill's doing the interviews.

01:01:49.540 Didn't we just see her guiding him off the stage on Friday or Saturday?

01:01:53.940 Didn't we like literally a couple of days ago, see her once again, have to get him off

01:01:57.460 stage?

01:01:58.320 He's got too much vigor to know where he's going.

01:01:59.960 He helped channel it.

01:02:01.540 You know, I got to tell you, the thing that offends me the most about this entire thing

01:02:06.480 is like all the media that sort of protects this line of argument and the Bidens themselves

01:02:11.540 who project this argument onto the American people, they act as though nobody's ever had

01:02:16.360 a grandparent or a parent.

01:02:18.500 Like, it's not a part of a normal life to see what it looks like at the end of a life,

01:02:23.940 right?

01:02:24.140 Like, we're this is a new thing where we've never encountered somebody taking short steps

01:02:28.780 who doesn't know where they are, who wanders around his stage, who loses their place when

01:02:33.220 they're talking like this is all a new dynamic that most Americans have never encountered

01:02:37.540 before.

01:02:38.040 Evidently, let me explain it to you.

01:02:39.540 It doesn't mean it any anything close to what you think it means.

01:02:41.940 If there's one thing that we're all personal experts on, it is exactly what we're watching

01:02:49.960 right now.

01:02:50.820 I mean, you don't need to be a I don't need a medical degree to know what it looks like

01:02:54.400 when Nana and Pop Pop are going down.

01:02:56.340 And like, that's what we're looking at.

01:02:58.180 And like every time the guy boards Air Force One, the American people have to hold their

01:03:02.760 breath and be like, I hope he doesn't slip and fall because he's had a fall on those

01:03:06.780 stairs like five times at this point.

01:03:08.360 He's fallen off a bike.

01:03:09.340 You know, if she were a real doctor, she'd advise him to stop doing this.

01:03:13.600 Like, he's got to go home.

01:03:14.840 Call it a day.

01:03:15.540 Even the Republicans don't want him to slip and fall.

01:03:17.920 It's like the Chinese are watching this.

01:03:19.640 We don't want you to fall.

01:03:21.720 We don't want a president to fall.

01:03:23.420 Yeah.

01:03:23.680 I've got a great idea.

01:03:25.320 Exit.

01:03:26.380 Exit.

01:03:27.520 I have a great idea for a general election door hanger for Donald Trump or whoever's

01:03:33.080 the Republican nominee.

01:03:34.520 And it's a door hanger that's based on the pamphlet, A Place for Mom.

01:03:39.340 I thought you were going to see a silver alert.

01:03:43.600 But here she is.

01:03:46.900 They pulled a video just so you can see it.

01:03:48.520 This is her the other day when he gave his big speech.

01:03:50.720 Look, he's wandering.

01:03:51.860 Here she is.

01:03:52.180 She had to go out on the stage.

01:03:53.040 You can see him.

01:03:53.760 Look at him.

01:03:54.740 Look at him.

01:03:55.940 He really, I mean, forgive me, but he really looks like a recovering sort of stroke or coma

01:04:00.900 victim.

01:04:01.500 Like, get me off the stage.

01:04:03.360 I can't do it on my own.

01:04:05.180 She had to go out there.

01:04:05.840 He was kind of wandering before she even got there.

01:04:08.180 And by the way, her vigorous husband, the man full of vigor in the past 19 days, he's

01:04:14.540 held to count them to public events.

01:04:18.920 December 23rd, left for vacation at Camp David.

01:04:21.440 That's where he was for the next few days.

01:04:23.280 Returned on the 26th.

01:04:24.500 Very next day, left for vacation in the U.S.

01:04:26.680 Virgin Islands.

01:04:27.860 28th, 29th.

01:04:28.780 I mean, we keep going.

01:04:30.020 That's her vigorous, vigorous husband who, look, I took two weeks off.

01:04:33.940 I'm not the president.

01:04:35.620 And we know for a fact he wasn't talking to the secretary of defense for four, five days

01:04:41.060 because he was off getting some secret prostate situation taken care of that even the president

01:04:47.160 didn't know about.

01:04:48.880 So it's like, spare me on the vigor.

01:04:50.760 Nobody believes that.

01:04:51.920 All right.

01:04:52.100 So that's Dr. Jill and the vigorous president to whom she's married.

01:04:55.900 But back in the subject of the media, let me meander back there for a minute.

01:04:58.560 So our old pal Don Lemon has resurfaced or is about to resurface, resurface.

01:05:07.140 And I realize that the magnanimous move is to say, good for Don.

01:05:13.560 He got canceled off of CNN and now he's reinventing himself on Twitter.

01:05:18.320 Well, that's not what I say.

01:05:21.160 I think he's disgusting.

01:05:22.780 He hates America.

01:05:24.120 He hates Republicans.

01:05:25.200 And I'm not looking forward to his voice reemerging other than to mock it, which I 100% plan to

01:05:31.060 do.

01:05:31.540 That's the only silver lining for me.

01:05:34.640 So but this is so he's going out on X.

01:05:37.780 All right.

01:05:38.360 It's like, oh, great.

01:05:39.220 Tucker did it on X.

01:05:40.140 And Tucker and I got fired on the same day.

01:05:41.700 So I'll go out on X.

01:05:43.000 And Don Lemon comes out with a post on X saying it starts as follows.

01:05:50.460 I've heard you.

01:05:51.860 And today I'm back.

01:05:53.880 Bigger, bolder, freer.

01:05:56.700 I've heard you like the masses are clamoring.

01:06:00.140 Where's Don?

01:06:01.220 What do we need?

01:06:01.820 You've been clamoring up for Don.

01:06:03.280 Come back into my life, Don.

01:06:06.620 Take some off of Bill O'Reilly.

01:06:08.140 So so here's honestly and like they're they're people welcoming Don back to the national

01:06:18.480 conversation.

01:06:19.120 And for those people and others, I just have a little reminder for you of who Don Lemon

01:06:25.080 is and why we can't stand him.

01:06:28.660 There you go.

01:06:30.760 Donald Trump couldn't find Ukraine on a map if you had the letter you and a picture of

01:06:34.280 an actual physical crane next to it.

01:06:36.600 He knows that this is, you know, an administration defined by ignorance of the world.

01:06:41.940 The people who aided and abetted Trump are stupid.

01:06:44.220 They've lived in several red states.

01:06:46.280 There are a lot of friends who I had to really get rid of.

01:06:48.640 A credulous boomer rube demo that backs Donald Trump that wants to think that Donald Trump's

01:06:54.960 a smart one and they're all elitists for them.

01:06:58.840 They're taking down the statues and crime is rising as they defund police.

01:07:03.060 Oh my gosh, it's so bad.

01:07:04.660 You voted for Trump.

01:07:05.960 You voted for the person who the Klan supported.

01:07:10.180 You voted for the person who Nazis support.

01:07:13.920 You elitist with your geography and your maps and your spelling, even though my math and your

01:07:19.360 reading.

01:07:20.140 If you're not going to get vaccinated, you don't want to social distance.

01:07:23.340 You don't want to wear a mask.

01:07:24.420 Then maybe you don't want to go to the hospital when you get sick.

01:07:27.640 We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is

01:07:34.660 white men.

01:07:35.820 Your geography, knowing other countries, sipping your latte.

01:07:40.180 All those lines on the map.

01:07:41.860 Only them elitists know where Ukraine is.

01:07:46.460 I think we have to stop coddling people when it comes to this and the vaccine saying, oh,

01:07:51.520 you can't shame them.

01:07:53.020 You can't call them stupid.

01:07:54.240 You can't call them silly again.

01:07:55.440 Yes, they are.

01:07:56.520 The people who are not getting vaccines, who are believing the lies on the internet instead

01:08:01.540 of science, it's time to start shaming them.

01:08:03.940 What else?

01:08:04.380 Or leave them behind.

01:08:06.540 That was good.

01:08:08.980 Sorry, Rick.

01:08:10.140 That was a good one.

01:08:11.120 I needed that.

01:08:11.860 Oh, geez, how painful.

01:08:17.380 What I love about Megan is she always has the receipts.

01:08:21.860 And I remember when he was fired, we did the show and you had all of this.

01:08:26.200 And it's like you've got this memory of an elephant where you can just put it together

01:08:29.460 again and you don't forget.

01:08:31.120 And that's what I love is because there's so many people in media that like don't have

01:08:35.160 a memory about all this and think they can reinvent themselves.

01:08:37.420 But no, we remember.

01:08:39.060 I mean, this guy, not only all of the clips that you showed, which are obviously like

01:08:43.780 horrifying stuff, but like, you know, there was there was like he was texting co-workers

01:08:49.420 threatening things.

01:08:50.920 And like he was doing all burner phones, like psychotic shit.

01:08:54.260 But yeah, also, also little things to Megan, did I ever tell you my Don Lemon story?

01:08:59.940 Maybe I tell you guys this.

01:09:01.040 I don't think so.

01:09:01.920 I was at a reception, widely, widely attended reception.

01:09:05.460 And I was standing in line for a drink and I waited a long time for my drink.

01:09:10.200 And Don Lemon comes up and jumps in front of me and and he's like, excuse me, I need to

01:09:14.960 catch an airplane.

01:09:15.540 And I was like, oh, OK, well, important, famous person.

01:09:18.620 You got to catch an airplane.

01:09:19.560 Fine.

01:09:19.820 Sure.

01:09:20.040 Go ahead.

01:09:20.380 But 45 minutes later, I'm in a conversation with somebody and he's there getting another

01:09:26.180 drink.

01:09:27.140 Oh, my gosh.

01:09:28.900 So he just lied so that he could jump in front of the line.

01:09:32.940 So I didn't think he was that bad until now.

01:09:36.580 He's jumping people in line for drinks.

01:09:39.020 Just random.

01:09:39.640 Gone.

01:09:40.140 That's all people.

01:09:40.760 Oh, well, tens of people.

01:09:43.120 I'm sorry.

01:09:44.240 What was he canceled for two minutes?

01:09:46.580 He was off of the air for two minutes.

01:09:48.960 And now like now people are like, oh, maybe he's seen the light.

01:09:51.820 You know, maybe he's going to come back more fair and balanced.

01:09:54.320 Oh, sure.

01:09:54.940 Sure, Jan.

01:09:55.860 I mean, bullshit.

01:09:57.080 He's not an actual fact.

01:09:58.220 Hold on.

01:09:58.740 Stand by.

01:09:59.560 I've got it on my.

01:10:00.580 She's got more.

01:10:01.520 Yes.

01:10:06.060 He's shown us who he is.

01:10:09.400 Believe him.

01:10:10.380 This is not someone who I'm rooting for.

01:10:13.060 I'm not I'm not saying he should never be allowed to speak again.

01:10:15.960 I'm just saying I don't have to personally cheerlead it or think it's a good thing or

01:10:20.720 recognize that this is like some sort of important voice in the conversation.

01:10:24.140 And yay for Elon for making it possible for him to come back.

01:10:27.580 He's a prick and he fucking hates.

01:10:31.080 Hates.

01:10:32.020 It really to me, it bothers me because I'll tell you, it's like he's so those clips are

01:10:37.300 so perfect.

01:10:38.300 And credit to Debbie Murphy, Canadian Debbie, put that together when he got booted, because

01:10:43.180 it shows that it's not just a partisan thing where like Jesse Kelly will come on this show

01:10:47.680 and he'll talk about the communists on the far left, like the communists want this and

01:10:50.760 the communists want that.

01:10:51.760 And it's funny.

01:10:52.560 You know what I mean?

01:10:53.320 But I'm telling you that Jesse Kelly is not a hateful dude.

01:10:56.660 I guarantee you he's got liberal and Democrat friends.

01:10:59.780 Don Lemon truly hates the right half of the country.

01:11:03.220 He hates and would love to see almost all of them canceled who voted for Trump.

01:11:09.000 So, no, I'm not rooting for him in any way, shape or form.

01:11:12.800 I mean, in that clip multiple times, he was essentially wishing death upon people who disagree

01:11:16.420 with him.

01:11:17.140 Yeah.

01:11:17.300 It was like they don't get to go to the hospital.

01:11:18.760 He said the biggest threat to America is white people.

01:11:20.780 Yeah.

01:11:20.940 Like, this is insane stuff.

01:11:22.620 Like, 20 years ago, these are like terror threats, you know?

01:11:25.720 Like, what has happened?

01:11:26.920 Yeah.

01:11:28.620 I feel like we might have made that.

01:11:29.580 Well, speaking of terror threats, speaking of terror threats, that brings me to Mehdi Hassan.

01:11:34.080 So, Mehdi Hassan, he has no problem with the terror threats that are coming from Hamas or

01:11:40.620 the actual terror unleashed by Hamas, or at least so it would seem for much of his coverage

01:11:45.100 over there on MSNBC.

01:11:46.860 And believe it or not, they finally fired his ass.

01:11:50.180 I'm amazed.

01:11:51.920 There must be enough, like, liberals or Democrats who are not woke watching MSNBC that they complained

01:12:02.080 about his egregious coverage.

01:12:04.900 He, I don't know, do we have the sound bait where he announces he's leaving?

01:12:08.580 I don't think we have that one.

01:12:09.980 He announced the other day he's leaving.

01:12:12.320 And, like, he's excited for what's next.

01:12:14.940 They always say that.

01:12:15.740 OK, there's nothing next.

01:12:17.800 And maybe he's going to Al Jazeera.

01:12:19.780 And in part, we believe this is why he got the boot.

01:12:22.700 Here's top 40.

01:12:25.340 Biden and a lot of people in America may see Ukraine and Israel as the same.

01:12:28.460 A lot of people around the world see Russia and Israel the same.

01:12:31.600 Israel is the occupier of the West Bank and Gaza.

01:12:33.960 So I'm wondering what your take is about separating out all of this noise, sort of the ground noise

01:12:41.080 with the signal, which is what Donald Trump now faces.

01:12:44.140 I genuinely think we need to start having a discussion about whether this guy is a flight risk.

01:12:48.740 If the election deniers on the right win in 2022 in November next month, to me, democracy looks like it's over in America.

01:12:56.400 Fascism is here to stay.

01:12:57.760 Woke is often used by conservatives as a way to complain about black people and black activism.

01:13:02.880 Bye.

01:13:06.080 Don't let the door hit you.

01:13:08.200 Well, you know, Megan, something really interesting happened to the progressive left after Hamas's horrible attack on Israel,

01:13:15.800 where it sort of separated the wheat from the chef.

01:13:17.680 And I think a lot in this quote unquote woke, like very progressive left have been saying a lot of these same things over a long period of time

01:13:25.440 that just hadn't gotten much attention, basically because they're only speaking to themselves.

01:13:29.220 And then the subsequent debate that happened after that attack and the rush to defend Hamas by people like this cat made normal progressive,

01:13:41.880 like, you know, center left Democrats all of a sudden very uncomfortable as if they didn't know what was happening under their midst.

01:13:47.260 And it's not just happening on TV like this is happening everywhere in media.

01:13:50.440 But it's also look, it's happening in higher education for the first time in 40 years.

01:13:55.120 Somebody's taking a look under the hood being like, wow, they're super anti-Semitic.

01:13:58.260 That's incredible.

01:13:59.480 And all of this is relatively new, but it's not new to them.

01:14:04.240 Like these guys, this is this is a well-worn, ideological, mainstream view of the progressive left that this guy just happens to say.

01:14:13.020 But now it's under a little different lens than it used to be.

01:14:16.200 And I'm not surprised he's on the way out the door.

01:14:18.280 Yeah, I mean, I think that's that on point is for so long we've seen for at least the past 20 years, you know,

01:14:24.880 this kind of like ultra left progressivism, which has taken over the party.

01:14:29.480 The beating heart of it is this extreme activist left.

01:14:32.300 And they've gotten away with, you know, after George Floyd, there was a summer of riots.

01:14:36.900 And that was like, oh, well, you know, riots are the voice of the unheard is what we were being told.

01:14:41.640 And all this behavior was excused for so long and became part of left wing orthodoxy where they're like, oh, well, you know, white people are terrorists.

01:14:50.060 And the worst thing in America is the white man.

01:14:53.700 And everything was framed through the lens of there's colonialism.

01:14:57.280 And then there's the people who suffer under colonialism, pitting essentially everyone against each other.

01:15:02.100 And when the American people saw these horrors of Hamas themselves filming, butchering women, children, entire families, anyone with an ounce of humanity was able to see the moral clarity of that moment,

01:15:15.700 except for those ultra left wing individuals who have had such sway in that party for so long and felt free to come out and march on the streets saying that they support Hamas.

01:15:26.380 We're who felt free to rip off photos of kids who had been kidnapped from walls.

01:15:31.700 They thought they were OK, that they'd been part of this movement, which has enabled all this behavior and that they'd be fine with it.

01:15:38.060 And then for people like, you know, Hassan, who are on a major network, they realize that actually there's a lot of people who realize that that's completely nuts.

01:15:46.000 And he paid the price for it. Rightfully so.

01:15:48.760 Yeah, there are a lot of people who just think that the Declaration of Independence specifically states we don't need to be lectured by a British accent.

01:15:57.200 And they're just ready to move on. It's been quite a while.

01:16:01.600 Well said. So I will say the October 7th attack has been clarifying in so many ways, so many ways and cheap among them what you just said.

01:16:12.920 But some on the left have distinguished themselves in surprising ways.

01:16:17.440 And that brings me to John Fetterman.

01:16:20.960 It's been remarkable.

01:16:23.520 I mean, I've seen some Babylon Bee posts on him like man recover recovers brain function and realizes he's a conservative.

01:16:30.580 It's like as he's getting better and you have to you have to say he seems to be getting better, like his sentences are coming out more smoothly.

01:16:39.120 His words are making more sense. I don't know. I'm not a doctor, but you just when you listen to him, he's making more sense.

01:16:44.140 Well, both both actually and in his politics.

01:16:47.800 And he's been one of the most fierce defenders of Israel.

01:16:52.820 This clip is making a lot of the round.

01:16:54.620 And that's brave in his party. That's brave.

01:16:57.500 This clip is making the rounds because he was at this event the other day.

01:17:00.600 And South Africa of all nations is going after Israel for its human rights violations, accusing Israel of South Africa, accusing Israel of a of a genocide.

01:17:12.280 And take a listen to John Fetterman.

01:17:14.840 Who are we? Who are they really fighting?

01:17:18.360 It's a group of cowards.

01:17:20.720 They hide in tunnels.

01:17:22.840 They hide behind civilians.

01:17:24.880 They attack, kill and mutilate children, women, and they do that.

01:17:33.440 Stop talking about proportion on that.

01:17:36.840 They shot their best shot on October 7th.

01:17:39.600 And they would have taken more lives if they couldn't do that, but they couldn't do it.

01:17:44.180 And now let's also talk about that.

01:17:45.660 Now we're talking about genocide.

01:17:47.840 And now South Africa now is now bringing that kind of a trial.

01:17:51.800 So maybe South Africa being able to sit this one out when they're talking about criticizing the behavior of South Africa.

01:17:58.240 Sit it out!

01:18:02.220 Amazing, guys.

01:18:03.360 What do you think?

01:18:04.660 Amazing.

01:18:05.240 Well, and hats off for Mitch McConnell replacing John Fetterman with a fat Tom Cotton.

01:18:10.980 Because that's, it's not just the Israel thing.

01:18:15.660 I mean, he's been going after Bob Menendez.

01:18:17.860 Yeah.

01:18:18.060 You know, there's like, there's three or four other things that it's like, he really did all of a sudden completely change everyone's narrative about his ability to sort of cognitively think things.

01:18:28.800 And then all of a sudden now he's outspoken.

01:18:30.960 He's completing sentences.

01:18:32.580 And he's like, I don't know, pretty conservative.

01:18:35.680 I saw these, I saw these interesting theories online of like, the last time we heard from his wife was when she was like taking the kids and fleeing to Canada.

01:18:43.460 Like, has she come back?

01:18:45.380 Maybe.

01:18:45.960 Was she like, kind of like puppeteering this guy?

01:18:48.520 And then he's like, well, she's not here.

01:18:50.300 So I guess I can say actually normal stuff.

01:18:52.560 I don't have to say crazy.

01:18:53.300 I'm back.

01:18:54.460 And this is how I actually feel.

01:18:55.740 We saw, I saw a poll the other day.

01:18:57.560 It was like, here's something like a 71, 73% approval rating in Pennsylvania right now.

01:19:02.500 And this stuff is definitely related because Pennsylvania is not deep blue.

01:19:06.000 It's not.

01:19:06.740 Right.

01:19:07.240 Right.

01:19:07.920 No.

01:19:08.300 And it's, it's entirely changed the perception of not only how he was post stroke, but how he was before all that.

01:19:15.960 I mean, he was a pretty progressive leftist local leader for a long time.

01:19:21.660 And then all of a sudden, he'll be in there.

01:19:23.580 I like, it's still in there.

01:19:26.820 I mean, I have a question for, for Holmes.

01:19:28.780 I generally don't know this.

01:19:30.000 How has he been voting in the Senate?

01:19:31.600 Is he still just like as left wing as ever?

01:19:33.600 Or is he starting to swing over like a cinema or something?

01:19:35.580 No, I mean, look, they haven't had a lot of opportunity.

01:19:37.860 I mean, basically everything is team ball.

01:19:39.600 It does.

01:19:39.860 They're voting in nominations because they're not doing anything else.

01:19:42.000 And so everything is sort of Republican and Democrat.

01:19:44.080 So it hasn't really changed that so much.

01:19:46.080 It's mostly rhetorical, but you're, that's the point, right?

01:19:49.300 I mean, ultimately with all of these Democrats, they like everybody to believe that they're

01:19:53.560 sort of centrists and they are thoughtful about things, but their voting behavior doesn't.

01:19:57.540 That's the one thing to watch with Fetterman.

01:19:59.180 Like if he actually crosses the line and starts behaving like a Joe Manchin or a Kyrsten Sinema,

01:20:04.140 then I'm going to start being a believer.

01:20:05.920 It's that.

01:20:06.640 And also maybe putting on a suit, you know, you'll know he's fully made the transition.

01:20:12.520 If he gets into his suit, he shows up.

01:20:15.120 I'd really like to see that.

01:20:16.180 But maybe we could do like tax reform.

01:20:20.260 If he's taking on the terrorists, if he's taking on the terrorists, I don't care what

01:20:24.100 he wears.

01:20:24.520 Yeah.

01:20:24.820 I mean, it's nice.

01:20:26.140 But on the Senate, on the Senate floor, still need to be in a suit.

01:20:29.700 Sorry.

01:20:30.060 Old school.

01:20:31.160 Standby.

01:20:32.160 Much, much more.

01:20:33.040 I have so many other fun things to get to with you guys.

01:20:35.340 Like two of my favorite clips of the day are coming up in our next segment.

01:20:38.200 The guys from Ruthless.

01:20:40.020 Stay with us.

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01:21:42.580 All right, guys.

01:21:45.340 I don't know how I'm going to stitch these remaining items together, so we're just going

01:21:48.660 to bang them out.

01:21:49.340 I'm not going to pretend there's a thread.

01:21:51.040 This is a lot of good stuff.

01:21:52.340 First of all, our bettors on Capitol Hill seem to have a very difficult time as of late making

01:22:02.260 the case that Trump incited an insurrection.

01:22:07.780 Take a listen.

01:22:10.260 Let's talk about the fact that President Trump incited an erection.

01:22:14.220 If they believe Donald John Trump incited the erection, insurrection, into inciting an

01:22:23.940 insurrection, which he did.

01:22:28.680 Oh, geez.

01:22:31.020 Just some horny bad things.

01:22:34.120 This segment brought to you by Blue Chip.

01:22:40.540 I mean, people have accused Donald Trump of absolutely everything.

01:22:43.680 But that might be a new one.

01:22:48.680 I can't get enough of it.

01:22:50.360 It's like my favorite thing.

01:22:51.640 It's it keeps happening in that Jayapal is the latest to do it.

01:22:55.700 And hers was great, too.

01:22:56.900 She knew it as soon as she is.

01:23:00.480 What's on these people's minds, right?

01:23:02.640 I mean, good Lord.

01:23:03.780 Get out of the gutter.

01:23:05.960 Maybe they had just seen the Hunter Biden photos being held up.

01:23:08.620 Oh, I tied it.

01:23:12.720 I tied it.

01:23:15.720 All right.

01:23:17.160 Going back.

01:23:17.860 We talked earlier about, you know, identity politics infecting people's views on things

01:23:21.980 like Israel and the ones, you know, silver lining is people are starting to see the light

01:23:26.760 on the nonsense that is DEI and identity politics and dividing us on race and all the other stuff.

01:23:32.620 Well, they didn't get the memo, apparently over at hold on.

01:23:39.000 Where exactly is this?

01:23:40.600 OK, at the All Souls Choir Unitarian Church in Washington, D.C.

01:23:48.300 Now, this made the rounds because the Babylon Bee tweeted it out saying we give up.

01:23:53.880 We can do no better than this.

01:23:55.540 I watched this thing.

01:23:56.820 It was from two years ago.

01:23:58.520 It's from 21.

01:23:59.300 I watched this thinking this has got to be parody.

01:24:02.560 One hundred percent.

01:24:03.180 This is a joke.

01:24:03.900 The Babylon 2022.

01:24:05.860 The Babylon Bee must have been fooled.

01:24:07.400 And as it turns out, it's a hundred percent real.

01:24:10.420 The lyrics were written, according to the screen, by Ida Bay Wells, who is the one behind

01:24:17.360 the 1619 project.

01:24:19.200 Yeah.

01:24:19.340 Nicole Hannah-Jones.

01:24:20.240 She goes by Ida Bay Wells.

01:24:22.400 And just watch and listen to these lunatics.

01:24:26.420 Lunatics.

01:24:28.260 Our rights depend on whether we can afford our rights depend on whether the ID matches

01:24:44.260 our gender.

01:24:45.200 Our rights depend on whether the criminal justice system has committed us on certain grounds

01:24:55.200 or whether the law.

01:24:56.620 Our system has come and some of us more than others.

01:25:02.780 Rights depend on whether we have time to stand in line.

01:25:08.920 For all the total deep days.

01:25:15.780 This is the best battle for democracy.

01:25:22.140 Oh, my God.

01:25:26.520 I mean, you know, I think that's extremely telling because this is their religion now.

01:25:31.320 Yeah.

01:25:31.980 I didn't.

01:25:32.560 I didn't.

01:25:33.320 And demanding absolute orthodoxy into believing in this on its face, completely absurd nonsense

01:25:38.640 is their religion.

01:25:39.700 That's supposed to be a house of God.

01:25:40.880 I just I didn't think you could outdo.

01:25:43.720 We wish you a Mueller Christmas.

01:25:45.320 But they've done it.

01:25:49.340 They've done it.

01:25:50.100 You got to strap.

01:25:50.860 They all have masks on.

01:25:52.280 Of course.

01:25:53.240 In 2022.

01:25:56.800 Strap on the mask and give it hell.

01:25:58.760 And, you know, I loved it in the bottom.

01:26:00.260 The cello.

01:26:01.160 Yeah.

01:26:01.520 You know, it's like, hey, what do we got?

01:26:02.980 It's like, how do you pull a tune together?

01:26:04.680 We got to get it.

01:26:05.200 We got Spranos out.

01:26:06.620 Let's just get it.

01:26:07.580 Let's knit this thing together.

01:26:08.760 Huh?

01:26:09.100 I like how they engaged a different group at the crescendo.

01:26:13.940 You know, it was like it was it was arranged like it was a hymn, like in the fervor they're

01:26:19.500 like, they're singing the battle hymn of the Republic, but something made up a lunatic

01:26:24.000 writing something on a blog in Washington, D.C.

01:26:27.880 It required practice.

01:26:30.160 It clearly required hours and hours of practice.

01:26:33.680 And my favorite is our rights depend on whether we have the time to stand in line for hours

01:26:39.280 to vote.

01:26:40.460 Like, it's not even lyrical.

01:26:42.100 It's not even lyrical.

01:26:43.000 It's like they just it's like they just chopped up an op-ed and they're like, this is now

01:26:47.060 lyrical for a song.

01:26:48.300 Not not not lyrical, Michael.

01:26:51.040 But it was arranged.

01:26:52.420 It was arranged.

01:26:53.200 It was absolutely like.

01:26:54.680 And now the cello.

01:26:55.860 And now the soprano.

01:26:57.600 You know what I mean?

01:26:59.440 It's insanity.

01:27:01.120 You guys need to do a ruthless program version of this with a response.

01:27:06.080 You're right.

01:27:06.980 Whatever you do, you're singing.

01:27:09.080 Challenge accepted.

01:27:10.960 Okay, I'm good.

01:27:11.780 But by Duncan, like these songs, it's not music.

01:27:14.200 It doesn't rhyme.

01:27:15.420 It's just like the orthodoxy being repeated.

01:27:17.600 Oh, right.

01:27:18.080 It's stupid.

01:27:19.520 And like the same way that their late night comedy shows don't have jokes anymore.

01:27:23.360 They just say their lines and the audience claps.

01:27:25.760 It's like it's really bizarre.

01:27:27.780 Tell us.

01:27:28.380 I don't think we're going to execute the ruthless version of this without a female lead solo.

01:27:33.480 Oh, yeah.

01:27:33.960 There you go.

01:27:34.320 I'd like to ask at this time whether or not, Megan, you'd like to join us for this production.

01:27:38.740 I mean, I accept your challenge.

01:27:40.460 I'm not a very good singer, but neither are any of you.

01:27:44.020 So we're good.

01:27:45.040 You didn't stop us.

01:27:45.880 Never stopped us.

01:27:47.900 Never?

01:27:48.600 No.

01:27:48.900 That's what we love about you.

01:27:50.000 Okay, so it kind of reminded me, this is a stretch, but I'll go there, kind of reminded

01:27:56.380 me of what we saw out in San Francisco, where their board of supervisors voted eight to three

01:28:02.720 in support of a resolution urging a ceasefire, which is, of course, it's like, you know, we've

01:28:09.360 been over this a million times.

01:28:10.340 There was a ceasefire on October 6th.

01:28:13.160 Tell it to Hamas.

01:28:14.780 Israel is making sure that there can't be another October 7th right now.

01:28:18.780 But take a look at what happened in San Fran in SOT 33.

01:28:33.960 It's the same group of people, but on the West Coast.

01:28:38.180 They're all masked.

01:28:39.800 It's 2024.

01:28:41.540 Everyone has a mask on.

01:28:43.880 Megan, they're not all masked.

01:28:45.300 I don't know if you noticed toward the beginning of that clip.

01:28:47.500 If there's a woman with a KN95 mask holding a baby, the baby was unmasked.

01:28:54.340 And so my question is, if it's so bad that you're wearing the KN95 super suction, but

01:29:00.900 the kid doesn't have anything?

01:29:03.340 Just frankly, it's called Child Protective Services.

01:29:05.660 Child Protective Services ought to be called on her.

01:29:08.500 Look at these lunatics, you guys.

01:29:09.980 Look at these people.

01:29:11.120 This is what we're up against.

01:29:12.540 These people and the singing choir people in D.C.

01:29:16.200 Like, I don't even I don't I don't know how are we going to talk to them?

01:29:20.500 Are we going to get them out of the cycle?

01:29:23.300 To quote John Lovitz, I can't believe we're losing to these people.

01:29:26.700 But like, what do you think Hamas would do in that room?

01:29:32.960 Right.

01:29:33.240 I mean, that's the thing that always gets so much.

01:29:35.580 Is there like, oh, free Palestine?

01:29:37.040 You know, Hamas is right.

01:29:38.020 Here's my here's my full Palestinian head, right?

01:29:41.280 OK, you roll in there with the pink hair with your girlfriend and you talk to Hamas and

01:29:47.060 we'll see how that works out, because I guarantee you they're very different perspective.

01:29:52.060 Exactly right.

01:29:52.780 See how that goes.

01:29:53.460 Well, meanwhile, these people sadly have access to our children.

01:29:57.020 There was a story that popped up the other day where forgive me, I'm forgetting the exact

01:30:02.840 state.

01:30:04.180 My team will remind me.

01:30:05.440 But the fourth graders went to school one day and had a teacher that was a man.

01:30:12.580 And the next day came back in and said teacher was now allegedly a woman.

01:30:18.800 Come on.

01:30:19.560 Fourth graders.

01:30:20.560 OK, hold on.

01:30:21.280 I have the I have it in front of me.

01:30:23.140 Very young.

01:30:23.840 Yeah, it was in Washington.

01:30:26.100 Here it is.

01:30:26.920 Yeah, from its lips of tick tock tweeted it out.

01:30:30.700 But it's Marvista Elementary Springs school out in Washington state.

01:30:36.840 Miss Snyder's fourth graders had quite a surprise when Miss Angela transitioned to Mr.

01:30:44.660 Angel.

01:30:45.660 Fourth grade.

01:30:46.720 I have fourth grader.

01:30:47.860 He's 10.

01:30:48.320 They're all nine and 10 years old.

01:30:49.920 It's a very tender age.

01:30:51.380 And then they thought it would be a good idea to show the children this Nana.

01:30:57.880 I don't know.

01:30:59.220 Who is this Nana?

01:31:00.860 Somebody reading the book.

01:31:03.100 It feels good to be yourself, which is about a five year old boy who believes he is a girl

01:31:10.400 using terms like non-binary, transgender, cisgender, intersex, gender identity, gender

01:31:14.760 expression, sex assigned at birth, et cetera, et cetera.

01:31:17.920 All explained.

01:31:19.060 And here's just a little bit of Nana Nanny Fee.

01:31:21.720 Is that her name?

01:31:22.220 Nanny.

01:31:22.700 Watch it.

01:31:23.060 What a baby's body looks like when they're born can be a clue to what the baby's gender

01:31:30.100 will be, but not always.

01:31:33.040 When people guess wrong, it's okay to let them know.

01:31:37.400 Ruthie was five when she told her parents.

01:31:40.140 I know you think I'm a boy, but really, I feel like a girl.

01:31:47.440 Oops.

01:31:48.760 Ruthie was a girl all along.

01:31:50.960 They just didn't know it at first.

01:31:52.700 You might feel like a boy.

01:31:54.420 You might feel like a girl.

01:31:56.320 You might feel like both boy and girl.

01:31:59.040 We're like neither.

01:32:01.600 Okay.

01:32:02.320 Nana Cece is a little confused herself.

01:32:04.980 Oh, it's just, you know, it, this is criminal behavior.

01:32:10.840 It's child abuse.

01:32:11.360 These people have very deep issues, mental health issues that need to be taken care of.

01:32:18.080 And they are forcing kids to be a part of them acting out on these impulses and these

01:32:23.320 issues.

01:32:23.940 And these kids didn't ask for this.

01:32:25.720 And, and if you think a child being subjected to this kind of confusing nonsense at that age

01:32:31.800 can't impact them.

01:32:32.740 I had a friend who pulled their kids out of a school in San Francisco, because what

01:32:37.860 happened is that one child showed up, this is two years ago, one child showed up and

01:32:41.840 said to the other kids that they identify as transgender.

01:32:44.520 I believe this is in second grade.

01:32:46.500 A week later, 10 kids said that they identified as transgender.

01:32:50.960 The following week, there were 50 kids in a single grade who identified as transgender,

01:32:54.660 which is something like 14 standard deviations out of the public at large, which identifies

01:33:00.580 it, which says that these kids don't know what this means, but they're being lectured

01:33:05.360 to it by these deranged individuals.

01:33:08.360 These are impressionable kids.

01:33:09.920 Teach them math.

01:33:10.860 Teach them how to read.

01:33:12.040 Have them go to recess.

01:33:13.260 This is just, it's horrific that children are being subjected to this stuff.

01:33:17.280 It's disgusting.

01:33:18.080 It's totally crazy.

01:33:19.840 It's totally.

01:33:20.220 I will say that as a 10 year old, if me and my buddies, when I was 10, had Mrs. Robertson

01:33:27.840 show up as Mr. Robertson.

01:33:29.380 Yeah.

01:33:29.720 And then they read that book, like detention's coming.

01:33:32.180 Yeah.

01:33:32.360 Because there's no way, there's no way we would have been able to keep a straight face during

01:33:37.400 that mess.

01:33:39.820 It's so inappropriate.

01:33:41.400 Here's a picture of Nana Cece.

01:33:44.880 Just take a look.

01:33:45.520 You might find it.

01:33:46.780 Ew!

01:33:47.680 Nana Cece!

01:33:49.080 She's the one reading the messages.

01:33:51.720 Check out the glasses.

01:33:53.300 Don't match either.

01:33:54.540 There's one circle and one square in her eye.

01:33:57.360 In any event, this is like, she's just the one who read the book, but this book is being

01:34:00.620 unleashed on not just this fourth grade class.

01:34:03.720 This is one of those books that they're sort of trying to use to make the kids more inclusive.

01:34:08.900 You're really just trying to confuse them.

01:34:10.100 What fourth grader needs to know the term cisgender?

01:34:13.980 I agree with Elon Musk that that's a slur.

01:34:16.860 I don't want to be referred to as a cis woman.

01:34:20.120 I'm a woman.

01:34:21.180 There's only one kind of woman.

01:34:23.160 We don't need any preludes to woman.

01:34:26.060 There's no such thing as a trans woman.

01:34:28.520 There's only a woman.

01:34:29.800 And then there are men pretending to be women.

01:34:32.000 That's it.

01:34:33.060 That's it.

01:34:34.020 That's it.

01:34:34.680 And I think, look, I think the vast majority of America is not interested in entertaining

01:34:38.720 insanity on this issue.

01:34:39.900 Like, I think they've they've had their moment of these little liberal strongholds across

01:34:45.920 the country being able to, you know, completely pervert the minds of innocent children.

01:34:50.620 But people are on to them, you know, thanks to Chris Rufo and others.

01:34:54.020 I mean, this stuff is popping up and it's getting put down pretty quickly.

01:34:57.420 Yeah.

01:34:57.580 I mean, that's what I said.

01:34:59.840 So in the reading of that book, you get a clear sense.

01:35:04.860 This person isn't entirely mentally sound.

01:35:07.860 It may not be objective on the subject.

01:35:10.560 How about Ohio?

01:35:11.560 How about the Ohio legislature overriding Mike DeWine's veto of the legislation that would

01:35:19.740 ban those surgical procedures on minors?

01:35:23.240 And they in Ohio.

01:35:24.440 God bless those lawmakers who said we're overruling you.

01:35:28.200 We are implementing that ban.

01:35:30.320 That whole thing has been great because he tried he tried to reject it.

01:35:33.600 And then as soon as it became clear he was going to lose that fight, he tried to issue

01:35:36.920 an executive order showing like he was actually on people's side in any event.

01:35:40.580 The voters had their say.

01:35:41.780 You guys have been amazing today.

01:35:43.960 You did two full hours.

01:35:45.580 It's a lot to ask of the Ruthless program, fellas.

01:35:48.140 I appreciate it.

01:35:49.660 Thank you so much.

01:35:50.440 Thank you, Megan.

01:35:51.260 You're the best.

01:35:51.900 Always the best.

01:35:52.640 Call me when we're doing our performance.

01:35:55.260 I'm ready.

01:35:55.540 Yeah, I'm going to have lyrics.

01:35:57.620 We're going to have my mask.

01:35:59.380 We have to make sure we're wearing our masks that read vote.

01:36:02.320 Vote.

01:36:03.320 Okay.

01:36:03.840 See you soon.

01:36:05.980 Okay.

01:36:06.380 Don't forget, I want to tell our audience who's still listening.

01:36:08.420 Tomorrow we're coming back with Jason Whitlock, who is like the focus of the internet.

01:36:11.740 We'll explain why when he comes out tomorrow.

01:36:15.640 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:36:17.720 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 11, 2024

Trump's Dominant Town Hall, MSNBC's Softball ＂Dr.＂ Jill Interview, and Don Lemon's Media Return, with the Ruthless Podcast ｜ Ep. 700

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