The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Emotional Closing to RNC, and Democrats in Chaos as They Push Biden Out, with Kmele Foster and Matt Welch ｜ Ep. 842

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.320 What a week it's been. Just got back to our place at the Jersey Shore about 20 minutes ago,

00:00:23.340 slapped down some of the face paint. And I don't know about you, but I'm so tired.

00:00:28.240 It's been such a crazy week. How did Trump do it? I know it was long. Did you watch? It was long.

00:00:36.040 Trust me, it was long inside the hall as well. But all I could think was he's 78. He's more than

00:00:43.900 25 years older than I am. And I want to go to bed. And I was not shot this week. It's just,

00:00:51.300 I don't know where he gets the energy. A lot of thoughts on what we saw in Milwaukee.

00:00:56.800 We witnessed history. Former President Donald Trump officially accepting the Republican

00:01:01.380 nomination for a third time. And for the first time since Saturday, he did publicly speak about

00:01:07.880 the attempt on his life. It was a riveting moment. I mean, you could hear a pin drop in that room

00:01:12.820 when he started telling this story. He spoke in a different kind of voice. It was quieter.

00:01:18.520 It was a softer tone. And I mean, there were people crying in the audience.

00:01:24.180 And he told us exactly how it felt on his end and said it would be the only time that he would share

00:01:31.060 his recollections of that moment. The assassin's bullet came within a quarter of an inch of taking

00:01:38.100 my life. I will tell you exactly what happened. And you'll never hear it from me a second time

00:01:44.900 because it's actually too painful to tell. I began speaking very strongly, powerfully, and happily.

00:01:54.480 I started to, like this, turn to my right.

00:01:58.860 And was ready to begin a little bit further, turn, which I'm very lucky I didn't do,

00:02:10.140 when I heard a loud whizzing sound and felt something hit me really, really hard

00:02:18.020 on my right ear. I said to myself, wow, what was that? It can only be a bullet. Bullets were

00:02:30.100 continuing to fly as very brave Secret Service agents rushed to the stage. These are great people

00:02:38.680 at great risk, I will tell you, and pounced on top of me so that I would be protected.

00:02:48.020 There was blood pouring everywhere, and yet, in a certain way, I felt very safe because

00:02:53.780 I had God on my side. This massive crowd of tens of thousands of people stood by and didn't move

00:03:03.420 an inch. They knew I was in very serious trouble. They saw it. They saw me go down.

00:03:07.900 I'm not supposed to be here tonight. I'm not supposed to be here.

00:03:11.980 Yes, you are! Yes, you are! Yes, you are! Yes, you are! Yes, you are! Thank you.

00:03:32.220 But I'm not. The crowd was confused because they thought I was dead. And there was great,

00:03:40.780 great sorrow. I could see that on their faces as I looked out. I wanted to do something to let

00:03:46.560 them know I was okay. I raised my right arm, looked at the thousands and thousands of people

00:03:52.800 that were breathlessly waiting and started shouting, fight, fight, fight.

00:04:00.280 Wow. It was really something. It was emotional. He's right. He should be dead. I mean, it was just

00:04:07.500 such a fluke the way he turned his head at that last second. You've all seen those diagrams right

00:04:14.420 on the internet. I mean, if he hadn't gestured just a little bit to that chart, he called it the chart

00:04:19.780 that saved his life. He would be dead. Incredibly, he's getting weird pushback from people on the left

00:04:26.880 about referencing God. These people are effing sick. I'm sorry, but there's something wrong with 0.99

00:04:32.420 them. Who doesn't believe, other than an atheist, that that was divine intervention that saved him?

00:04:39.700 I just, do you believe he's that lucky? It was just a coincidence. I just, I'm not even close to

00:04:45.720 understanding that. Now the party, um, and his nomination is officially over. I've got to tell

00:04:53.120 you, I've never seen, I mean, I, I've been going to these since 08 was my first, I've been doing,

00:04:58.880 you know, presidential coverage since 04 when I got started in this business, but I did 08,

00:05:05.560 the Invesco field and Sarah Palin and Minneapolis and everyone thereafter. I've never seen the Republicans

00:05:12.240 this enthusiastic. Never, never. And I know the left is like, Oh, Trump's speech was kind of long

00:05:18.580 and meandering. And therefore we have hope. Okay. If that's where you want to go with it,

00:05:23.200 that's fine. But the average viewer sitting at home is probably not sitting there for 90 minutes

00:05:28.180 on a Thursday night, watching every minute of that speech. They're probably just going to see

00:05:30.680 highlights of Trump and they're funny and they're clever and they're very compelling. Like the one I just

00:05:36.120 showed you and they've gotten clips all week of kid rock and Hulk Hogan fun. The Republicans are

00:05:43.060 having a good time. JD Vance and others, Vivek saying you are part of our party. President Trump

00:05:49.580 starting with that last night. I don't want to be president for half of America. I want to be

00:05:53.540 president for everyone reaching out to the working class, to blacks, to Hispanics. It's just not your 0.97

00:06:00.400 grandfather's Republican party. And not to mention the things with the gold star families and the

00:06:05.220 people who have lost loved ones to illegal immigrants and to crime. I was just, I thought 1.00

00:06:09.600 it was a very well done convention. And that's what I think the people at home are going to take away.

00:06:15.740 Now, nonetheless, the lingering question is who's his opponent? Who's Mr. Trump going to face in

00:06:22.280 November? That is less certain than ever for a time late yesterday. It seemed that president Joe

00:06:28.600 Biden was on the verge of dropping out. It still seems that way. Uh, he's going to drop out. I've been

00:06:33.800 saying this since the night of the debate. I stand by my prediction, uh, in that moment,

00:06:37.920 but the Biden campaign is pushing back vocally though, not as vocally as they were. The reports

00:06:45.740 are, it could happen as early as this weekend, but now more and more people are saying Monday,

00:06:49.360 the knives are out for Mr. Biden from his own party. As one former Biden aide told Politico,

00:06:56.320 people who have known this man for 30, 40 years are stabbing this man in the front and the back.

00:07:01.020 They are Julius Caesar-ing this man, but now it appears his inner circle. I'm in the inner,

00:07:06.940 inner circle. They're digging in their heels, fighting for him to stay and for them to stay.

00:07:13.280 I don't think that's actually what's happening though. I'll tell you what I think is happening.

00:07:17.160 I think he's going and all along the pushback has been, he's stubborn and he's got to come to this

00:07:26.680 decision on his own. So Democrats around him tried to help him do that by leaking certain things,

00:07:33.440 but not the most devastating things. And as these three weeks have ramped up, they're leaking more,

00:07:39.600 they're leaking the humiliating, uh, things. And now he's getting mad. And then late yesterday,

00:07:46.180 we had a report by Mark Halperin, a longtime inside DC reporter who put some real meat on the bones of

00:07:54.740 the exit plan saying there will be one. He could announce it this weekend, probably Sunday, he said

00:08:00.500 at that point. And, um, he won't endorse Kamala. He'll call for an open convention and then they'll

00:08:08.340 slug it out. Then you got pushed back on the record from the Biden campaign. It's not true.

00:08:13.000 No, wrong. We're in it. They went on morning Joe this morning and said, it's not true.

00:08:17.740 President Biden's in it though. Again, less forcefully than we've heard before. And look,

00:08:24.200 I don't have any inside knowledge. I just have my experience as a political reporter.

00:08:28.520 He's gone. This is what they always do. They never say, yeah, the door's open. They say,

00:08:33.260 no, he's in it. He's in it. Look, look what, uh, Ron DeSantis said until he dropped out. Look

00:08:38.240 what Nikki Haley said until she dropped. They all say like for the long haul.

00:08:43.000 You know, he, it's not true. He can't. And we'll talk about why he can't. When two of our three

00:08:50.700 pals from the fifth column join us, which is right now, Matt Welsh is here. And so is Camille Foster.

00:08:56.740 You can find their work at we the fifth.com. Hi guys. Hey, I'm Megan. We're missing Moynihan.

00:09:05.640 Thanks to the meltdown in our technology. He's one of the victims who couldn't get on his flight.

00:09:10.580 What a nightmare. That thing is the crowdsource had a bug and it was updating the Microsoft program.

00:09:15.240 And now all the flights are canceled and medical facilities are being shut down. And 911 is just a

00:09:21.520 nightmare. How did this become worse than Y2K ended up being by that? And also, how did you get out, 0.82

00:09:28.200 Megan? I'm, I'm sensing you're, you, uh, routed around the, um, the special, uh, bug that ruined all of

00:09:34.280 we, I'm not going to lie. Moynihan. I knew I had to get home to make this show. So we got a little

00:09:38.020 puddle jumper and my team and I were on it. So we managed to avoid and we lift last time Abby and I

00:09:44.800 were on a puddle jumper. We almost went down. That shit was not safe. Anyway, today it was smooth

00:09:50.620 sailing and our pilots took a great, took great care of us. And we are here. I'm happy to tell you

00:09:55.080 well and alive. So good day to do that by the way. Right. Cause it's a nightmare in the actual

00:10:00.340 commercial airport. So lots of love and luck to all my fellow Americans who are dealing with this,

00:10:04.520 not just Americans. It's a worldwide thing. Okay. So let's move on. Um, he not only is seeing

00:10:12.920 polls, I mean, drop through the floor. You know, we had initial polling that showed it was bad,

00:10:18.420 but now it's just gone precipitously down and they pay attention to that. I mean, as, as the wave goes

00:10:25.200 down for him, he brings down everybody who's a Democrat. So that's, I mean, that's why they're not

00:10:30.080 just being nasty about it in the Democrat party. They don't want to lose the Senate,

00:10:34.080 which they're going to. And they actually thought they might be able to take the house,

00:10:37.280 which now, I mean, no, but they just say they don't want huge margins. They're like,

00:10:40.460 what if there's 55 Republican seats in the Senate? What, how high could it go? So that's one,

00:10:48.020 the polling, but the money, the money's gone. You know, the Katzenberg news was huge. You guys,

00:10:57.440 where he went, he's, you know, he, I think the biggest Democrat bundler and Hollywood movie

00:11:02.240 producer went to Joe Biden and said, the donors are gone. Money's dried up. And they were expecting

00:11:09.300 some sort of shortfall of 50% for this month. Now they're saying they're on track for, sorry,

00:11:15.540 they were only going to bring in, yeah, about 50% of what they had banked on. Now they're saying it's

00:11:20.580 more like 20, 25%. So I mean, 75% of his funds gone in the wake of that debate and his rehabilitation

00:11:29.460 tour did nothing, nothing to soothe anybody's worries. So all that plus a unified Republican

00:11:37.960 party and Trump being propelled thanks to last Saturday's just dramatic and terrible, but then

00:11:44.000 ultimately triumphant results for him, have them seeing a united, excited, enthusiastic Republican

00:11:50.660 party. And I think the term is scared shitless. Um, and that is why Joe Biden is going to go.

00:11:57.860 What do you guys think? I mean, I don't, I don't know if I could have imagined so total, uh, a kind

00:12:04.040 of reversal of fortunes in this campaign. I mean, after Trump lost those, uh, court cases in New York,

00:12:11.060 everything looked pretty bleak for him. He was certainly doing some fundraising, but you had a

00:12:16.720 sense that there was kind of just a lot of things for him to overcome in this election today.

00:12:22.740 After the debate performance, things were tight before the debate, but after the debate performance,

00:12:27.720 this preposterous extended period of time where Democrats seem to be pretending that there was

00:12:32.980 just a single performance, a single day, a press conference that Joe Biden could complete without,

00:12:38.700 you know, dying. Um, that, that, that would be the thing that could possibly correct the trajectory

00:12:44.960 of this particular campaign. Had he dropped out after the debate performance and they found their

00:12:50.360 way meandered to just another candidate, they would be in so much better, such a, such a better position.

00:12:55.780 But after the failed assassination attempt, and quite frankly, like after this incredibly successful

00:13:01.680 R and C convention, um, I just think they are in a real, real hole. And I don't know, Megan,

00:13:07.800 I mean, I'm, I'm trying to think through exactly what might be happening with Biden and all of his

00:13:12.700 various, uh, apparatchiks who don't want him to, at least seemingly don't want him to, to drop out

00:13:17.920 of this race. It, it desperately, it certainly seems like he desperately wants to stay in the job. 0.99

00:13:22.680 It seems like earnest. I imagine Jill Biden also wants to stay in that job. Um, I won't pretend to

00:13:28.520 have any secret knowledge. I've been expecting him to drop out for a while. I thought when he was sick,

00:13:32.980 I was like, Oh, okay. I bet he gets sufficiently sick that he has a reason to drop out. Um, but

00:13:38.300 it's, it's not hard to imagine that he really wants to stick it out, despite the fact that he's more

00:13:42.900 isolated, um, than he has been throughout the entirety of this process. Um, so it's, it's, it's

00:13:50.260 astonishing to see, and also astonishingly to see, astonishing to see how well Trump did, uh, at the RNC.

00:13:57.200 I mean, the speech was long, um, but I didn't get the sense, despite the fact that there is kind of

00:14:02.660 reporting that suggests as much that people were bored in the room. The fact that he sold this

00:14:06.540 deeply personal and humanizing story that, that entire thing contrasts so sharply with the

00:14:14.380 caricature of Donald Trump by his opponents as some sort of self-absorbed hater. He spent an

00:14:20.240 inordinate amount of time really talking about these other people who'd been hurt. Um, and the,

00:14:25.780 the families that were suffering and the efforts that were being made to try to raise money for

00:14:29.960 them. And if you just suspend whatever sense you have of Trump, the character, and just think about

00:14:36.640 a man named Donald who nearly died, he came, I mean, millimeters away from being murdered. Um,

00:14:44.740 that, that changes a person. Um, and he didn't seem rattled. He seemed kind of in control of himself.

00:14:49.840 And I think it's important to just set politics aside for a little bit and kind of

00:14:53.800 look at things in, in that, uh, as objective a way as possible and say, I mean, yeah, this is a

00:15:01.040 guy who seems very comfortable in his skin, um, and a party that seems unified behind him. And this

00:15:07.060 is, I think the phrase that came to mind thinking about this was kind of total victory. I mean,

00:15:12.060 he's gone through most, as you mentioned, this is the third time he's accepted the party's nomination.

00:15:16.700 The other two times, it wasn't, there wasn't a sense that everyone was really on board,

00:15:23.500 but there is a sense now the Republican party is truly on board with this guy. This is not a lame

00:15:30.700 duck second term run. This is a kind of newly vibrant, um, Republican party that, that seems to

00:15:38.260 have real cultural power and influence in a way that they just have not in previous years. And it's

00:15:44.000 kind of extraordinary to see it is, it's difficult to know how long this will last. Um, but it

00:15:48.920 certainly seems like enough to not just win him the white house, but win it in kind of overwhelming

00:15:53.340 fashion. Um, if things hold in this particular way. Yeah. You know, Matt, the, um, the Democrats

00:16:00.040 wanted to say, Oh, there was no change in Trump because he went back to, you know, he referenced

00:16:05.060 crazy Nancy, uh, Nancy Pelosi and some other, and said, he's going to deport the illegal immigrants 0.98

00:16:10.720 who are here unlawfully. All right. Who hasn't seen Nancy Pelosi for years saying the nastiest things 0.96

00:16:19.620 one can say about Donald Trump. She ripped up his state of the union space speech from the podium. 1.00

00:16:25.980 When he gave that state of the union address, she was on bill Maher. Not that long ago. Anything

00:16:31.320 twice impeached, twice impeached Donald Trump. If I were Trump, I'd be calling her a lot worse than 0.99

00:16:38.020 crazy Nancy. That is mild that he didn't have a personality transplant when that bullet hit his 1.00

00:16:45.140 ear, but no one was expecting him to come out there like Oprah and start talking about healing

00:16:51.060 our souls and trying to find a way to, you know, no, that's not Trump. He is a fighter. That's why he

00:16:57.040 had the fist up, but to ignore that there was a different side to him that he showed last night

00:17:04.700 is to ignore reality. He's still Trump, but he's so this whole convention showed us a softer side

00:17:10.840 of him. That was interesting. So, I mean, the Democrats are going to do what they're going to

00:17:14.700 do, but to try to say he's more divisive than ever because he wants to deport the illegals,

00:17:20.800 which he's been saying forever, or because he called Nancy a name, which I think was the only name

00:17:25.260 that he dropped last night is dishonest. The, uh, it was jarring or interesting,

00:17:31.720 let's say to see the, um, difference between his speech and his public appearances. Just like

00:17:37.620 he looks a little bit different. And then in the stands, like he looks somewhat, uh, diminished might

00:17:43.520 be the wrong word, but just sort of like he has, he had a different energy throughout the,

00:17:47.160 the, uh, convention, the difference between that. Maybe you'll sign onto this matter. Maybe you won't,

00:17:51.780 but like, forgive me. It's like a weird one for Trump, but he looks kind of sweet, like sitting

00:17:58.460 there. No, I want, I want you to think about your words now, Megan. Um, look at him, look at here

00:18:06.760 with his grandson. It's just kind of sweet to see him reacting to his grandkids and smiling,

00:18:11.620 but look at Melania in the middle of that shot. That was perfect. Camille stopped looking at Melania 1.00

00:18:16.700 for once in your life. She could not be any more gorgeous. I'm sorry. How is this woman never on 1.00

00:18:20.880 the cover of Vogue as first lady, but Jill Biden basically dresses in a grocery store bag has been 1.00

00:18:27.440 on. It's just very wrong. Yeah. Uh, no. So the contrast between the, uh, the Trump pre-recorded

00:18:34.040 spots, right. Every night they would happen. I, this is the first convention I haven't covered

00:18:37.760 since 2000. Right. Um, and so I watched it at home as consumer much more than you do actually when

00:18:43.740 you're covering convention, Megan, as you know, you're busy doing things. Um, so I actually watched

00:18:48.320 basically everything and I was using like C-SPAN feeds and, and live feeds. So I can see the band,

00:18:53.780 you know, play 38 special songs the whole time, uh, and, and had a great time with all of it.

00:18:58.220 Um, but the pre-recorded Trump bits were that old Trump's like, they're going to steal the election

00:19:03.380 again, you know, um, and all this, and you can tell cause he didn't have the bandage on his ear.

00:19:06.760 There was a full tone of voice that was different in those things than in what you saw from his speech

00:19:13.800 last night. Yeah. He played the hits. Um, he started brambling. He, I mean, that was a long,

00:19:18.180 long speech. That's sort of 60 minutes in the middle of it. Uh, when he was kind of departing

00:19:23.480 from the teleprompter. Um, but there is that they did a very careful job of stage managing this. And

00:19:28.920 I think it was a, it was a, like a last minute after the, um, assassination attempt, a bit of stage

00:19:34.560 managing, right. He ripped up his speech. He said, he's going to strike this note of unity, which he did

00:19:38.800 certainly at the, uh, scripted, uh, top. And it felt, um, as heartfelt as one can get from both

00:19:45.440 Trump or a politician, you should never take all of this too seriously. But I was most impressed

00:19:49.880 with, um, the way, uh, not just that we had individuals humanizing Trump. I don't know if

00:19:54.320 I need to hear from another one of his golf employees, um, at some point, like knock that

00:19:59.140 off, please. Or every single person who's ever been related to him. Um, that gets a bit much and

00:20:03.640 that reinforces things that Americans don't like about Trump. Cause remember he's never gotten more

00:20:07.520 than 47% of the vote. So an open question. I agree with it, with both of your guys's analysis.

00:20:13.220 Um, but still, um, is that enough to get them over the 47%? But the thing that was really

00:20:18.080 interesting to me was both the testimony from just normal people, right. But by normal, I mean,

00:20:24.080 normal, abnormal it's Americans. It was like, I've, I've been on this sort of patriotic kick since

00:20:28.600 July 4th. Uh, the dude from Philly with a hat and the beard and the awesome accent, the gold star

00:20:33.440 families who were just from everywhere, just like a lot of, of great tattoos were on display.

00:20:39.140 And we saw it was Amber Rose. I know that's, that's controversial among another people. I

00:20:43.200 thought it was one of the greatest speeches at the convention. Um, Ken Rock, I thought was

00:20:46.400 horrible, but terrible. And he's America. He just is. Um, you know, there's, there's something

00:20:51.820 to it. And it gave a lot of people, I think a permission structure and Amber Rose is probably

00:20:57.580 the best speech that did that to say, Hey, look, I thought this of him too, but the media lied

00:21:02.060 to me and I don't have to love everything about him, but it's different than you thought. And the

00:21:06.020 fact that MSNBC has been spending at least some, or a lot of its time concocting the most insane

00:21:11.240 theories about like, there are Easter eggs of white nationalism. When JD Vance is talking about

00:21:16.360 where he wants to bury his family. It's like, what are you talking about Alex Wagner? Um, or that

00:21:21.740 Rachel Maddell yammering on about the Lord of the Rings, like this narrative forever, that this is

00:21:26.560 all about white nationalism, dude, open your eyes and watch the convention. That was not a white 0.94

00:21:32.040 nationalist convention, right? See, even like the, the competing religious figures last night,

00:21:37.300 and I forgot the dude from the Detroit's name, but also Franklin Graham. I mean, Billy Graham was

00:21:42.060 always a Republican figure and Franklin Graham also great at the rallies. Franklin Graham looks just

00:21:48.880 like Billy Graham. And yet who got the crowd amped up? It was our dude from Detroit. Like he was

00:21:57.400 awesome. And like that was sort of the cornucopia of America that was on display. And I say, this is

00:22:03.000 someone who's not a Republican and don't plan on voting for Donald Trump, but there is a unmistakably

00:22:08.480 a sea change in the makeup of the party and its appeal, especially to what you might call just

00:22:15.360 working class. And that has flipped. That has flipped in the last 10 years. And Donald Trump is

00:22:19.760 the driver of that. And this convention absolutely cemented that.

00:22:24.100 I mean, having said, you know, we've covered all these kinds of, I can tell you when I was there

00:22:28.140 at 2012, when Mitt Romney was nominated, you didn't see anything like Sot One.

00:22:33.980 Remotely.

00:22:34.880 What happened last week when they took a shot at my hero.

00:22:40.560 It's an all-star. 0.97

00:22:43.240 And they tried to kill the next president of the United States.

00:22:48.380 Taking off the shirt.

00:22:51.140 Enough was enough.

00:22:52.340 And I said, let Trump-a-mania run wild, brother. Let Trump-a-mania rule again.

00:23:00.300 Let Trump-a-mania make America great again.

00:23:04.940 Oh no.

00:23:10.420 I have goosebumps. I have goosebumps.

00:23:13.320 I feel like I'm 12.

00:23:21.700 Wow.

00:23:23.760 Not happening at Biden's or Harris's convention. No.

00:23:29.240 God, no.

00:23:30.020 Well, maybe they get The Rock. They get The Rock to come out and he does it.

00:23:33.320 No. He sounds like a Trump fan. Remember that interview he gave to Fox News?

00:23:36.920 I know.

00:23:37.320 He sounds like he's going to vote Trump this time.

00:23:39.060 I don't think he'd do it.

00:23:40.440 But if they got him, that'd be pretty close.

00:23:42.380 This is strong.

00:23:43.200 It's amazing.

00:23:43.580 Who doesn't love the holster?

00:23:44.960 I love the holster.

00:23:45.460 I know.

00:23:46.120 And it's good to see Trump on his feet looking happy.

00:23:48.820 You know, he blows him a kiss.

00:23:52.100 Absolutely.

00:23:52.640 It was fun, you guys. It was fun. Remember?

00:23:54.740 That's wild.

00:23:55.680 Like I said, this is not your grandfather's Republican Party.

00:23:57.580 It wasn't stodgy.

00:23:58.640 It wasn't all white, which is what the Democrats always say when they're criticizing the Republican National Convention.

00:24:04.880 It was young.

00:24:05.600 It was people from all backgrounds, all colors, all ages.

00:24:10.700 It wasn't all a bunch of white-haired people.

00:24:13.740 I mean, it was just, it was a good time.

00:24:16.280 People were in a good mood.

00:24:18.000 And you're attracted to that naturally, right?

00:24:20.320 Like you look at it, you're like, yeah, Camille, I want to be part of that club.

00:24:23.860 Even Van Jones was saying something similar to it.

00:24:28.120 And then David Acklerod disagreed.

00:24:29.900 But actually, we have to listen to this.

00:24:31.500 Sat 11.

00:24:31.820 So that's why people are so mad about it.

00:24:36.360 We are like minutes away, minutes away from Hulk Hogan, Dana White, and Donald J.

00:24:42.320 Who do they want to run against?

00:24:43.780 Let's talk about that.

00:24:45.240 I want to say something.

00:24:46.220 So we can have an academic.

00:24:47.380 You know what?

00:24:47.860 You see something?

00:24:49.240 I want to say something.

00:24:49.720 I want to say something.

00:24:50.860 This spirit that this guy has, you guys think this guy's drunk?

00:24:54.320 He's not.

00:24:55.680 There's no one thing that's like this.

00:24:57.160 Hey, guys, the last time I was in a convention that felt like this was Obama 2008.

00:25:06.040 There's something happening where...

00:25:08.560 You just wrote a headline, by the way.

00:25:09.920 What was that?

00:25:10.340 You just wrote a headline.

00:25:11.600 Just like Obama, and just like Obama, Trump is showing in this convention he has the capacity

00:25:18.300 to alter the composition of the electorate.

00:25:20.960 That is...

00:25:21.360 The difference between 2008 and now is that Obama was actually popular outside of his own

00:25:26.080 party, and that's not the case.

00:25:27.860 I don't think we should overstate it.

00:25:29.080 I don't know about that.

00:25:30.620 I don't know about that.

00:25:31.120 We're going to find out.

00:25:31.860 Yeah, what do you think?

00:25:32.360 Yeah.

00:25:33.040 I don't know about that.

00:25:33.840 You know, Van is an interesting person to watch in moments like this. 1.00

00:25:36.820 I'm remembering Van when he says about Donald Trump early on, you know, tonight was the

00:25:42.260 night he became president.

00:25:43.580 There's an earnestness and a sincerity when I hear him talk in these contexts.

00:25:47.740 I'm also remembering in post-debate with Biden when he looked like he was nearly in tears,

00:25:52.740 contemplating just what the future looked like for the party, but also just the horrific

00:25:57.040 performance.

00:25:58.560 What he's saying there sounds about right to me.

00:26:01.600 The cultural shift is kind of potent.

00:26:04.240 It is hard to ignore if you're a remotely objective person, even if you aren't a fan of

00:26:09.020 Donald Trump.

00:26:10.520 So I think that what he's saying has a tremendous amount of resonance.

00:26:14.740 I got to...

00:26:15.520 Maybe you get a hold of him.

00:26:17.020 If you do, Megan, make sure to pass me along his info.

00:26:20.060 Actually, I got his phone, I'm going to call him, because I do want to talk about this.

00:26:25.360 Can I say quickly, I mean, Matt, you asked if Trump could get above 46-47 in this next

00:26:30.220 race.

00:26:30.880 I think it's entirely possible, and I think there are two real reasons for it.

00:26:34.220 I mean, one, he's clearly made gains in places and with people that he wasn't able

00:26:39.160 to be successful, hasn't been successful with in the past, and I think you're going

00:26:42.360 to see that in the polls.

00:26:43.600 But even two, talk about reversal of fortune.

00:26:46.320 There is a sense in which when you ask people, are you voting for Biden?

00:26:49.280 And I'm currently on vacation with a number of my closest friends from college and their

00:26:55.200 spouses, and we're all very good friends.

00:26:57.800 And all of them are decidedly left of center.

00:27:00.580 They are Biden supporters.

00:27:02.080 They don't want to talk about politics.

00:27:04.160 The kind of embarrassment that some people have had in the past when they talk about supporting

00:27:08.000 Donald Trump is eviscerated at this point.

00:27:10.980 The embarrassment that people have when they talk about potentially voting for Joe Biden.

00:27:15.780 Even before this, you had people talking about, if Joe Biden's brain is in a vat, I'm voting

00:27:22.340 for that so I don't have to vote for Hitler. 0.75

00:27:24.740 No one is interested in that kind of crazy talk at this point.

00:27:28.920 They recognize that Joe Biden simply is not capable of doing this job and probably ought

00:27:33.500 to resign at this point.

00:27:34.560 And they have no idea who they're throwing their support behind when they say they just

00:27:40.180 aren't voting for Donald Trump.

00:27:41.940 You'll see a lot of people stay home maybe if it's, I don't know, I don't even know who

00:27:46.060 they front, throw up.

00:27:47.480 But if people are staying home and there's both an enthusiasm gap and a very real fact of

00:27:52.020 Donald Trump having actually accumulated some material support from communities that weren't

00:27:56.300 supporting him before, I think he could definitely get up there above 50 percent and win both

00:28:02.880 the popular vote and the Electoral College.

00:28:05.240 Again, there's a lot of weeks between now and Election Day.

00:28:08.160 Things could change.

00:28:09.020 But the momentum is all there.

00:28:11.220 And he does seem to just be a lot more controlled and contained.

00:28:15.060 And the stock attacks that they've been using on him for years now, the white supremacist, 0.99

00:28:20.420 racist monster, the hate of women, it's not sticking right now. 0.98

00:28:25.780 And I don't know that they'll be in a better position to make these arguments later. 0.63

00:28:29.960 These a couple of news items I want to get in.

00:28:33.280 Biden just giving a statement.

00:28:36.340 Forgive me, I think it was it was issued either to Politico's Jonathan Martin or he's

00:28:41.940 just the first to report it.

00:28:43.340 Quote, I look forward to getting back on the campaign trail next week to continue exposing

00:28:48.580 the threat of Donald Trump's Project 2025 agenda.

00:28:50.940 It's not his project.

00:28:51.580 It's not his.

00:28:52.400 It's the heritage.

00:28:53.240 OK, but fine.

00:28:53.760 While making the case for my own record and the vision that I have for America, one where

00:28:59.240 we save our democracy, protect our rights and freedoms and create opportunity for everyone.

00:29:03.260 The stakes are high and the choice is clear.

00:29:04.940 Together, we will win.

00:29:06.540 I just I don't believe one word of that.

00:29:08.360 Not one word.

00:29:09.060 I don't think he's this is everyone knows we should cue up the DeSantis and the Haley

00:29:14.320 statements right before they dropped out.

00:29:17.940 We've all this is how you have to sound until you say I'm out, because if he doesn't sound

00:29:24.540 like this, then that last 25 percent of the fundraising dries up to plus it's his middle 0.96

00:29:28.920 finger, you know, like screw you. 0.84

00:29:31.340 If I get out, I'm getting out on my own terms. 0.99

00:29:32.980 I'm not going to be bullied out of this race by Barack Obama.

00:29:35.580 I did run and win these delegates fair and square.

00:29:39.840 And I know people are using the term coup.

00:29:42.840 I get why I do get why.

00:29:45.080 But the truth is, if the Republicans were in this position and this were their nominee,

00:29:49.140 they'd be doing the same thing.

00:29:50.660 It's not too late to change horses.

00:29:53.060 And why wouldn't they if this were the Republican Party, they'd say, yeah, hell no, we're not

00:29:57.540 just going to let them win the election when we could sub out this guy and get somebody

00:30:02.760 else in. Here's the other thing.

00:30:05.420 Now we have three U.S.

00:30:07.420 senators on the record calling for him to drop out as the candidate, the latest.

00:30:13.060 And just for those who haven't been paying attention that closely, we had first the Vermont

00:30:17.160 senator and then we had was Peter Welsh of Vermont.

00:30:21.580 Then we had John Tester of Montana.

00:30:23.380 And now today we have the senator from New Mexico, Senator Martin Heinrich.

00:30:28.780 Now, New Mexico, that's interesting because that's one of the states

00:30:31.600 reportedly now looking more and more in play, along with Minnesota, crazy and New Hampshire

00:30:39.300 and Virginia.

00:30:41.440 These are all blue states.

00:30:44.000 They're not purple.

00:30:45.360 These are blue states that are looking more in play.

00:30:48.120 So it's no accident.

00:30:48.900 He comes out and says, as the third Senate Democrat, that Biden should quit his campaign.

00:30:55.800 Yada, yada with all the, you know, flowery language around it.

00:30:59.560 And then I'll give you one other data point polls, CBS News, YouGov, new poll out national

00:31:06.360 likely voters.

00:31:07.260 So we pay attention more than we do to register.

00:31:11.740 Largest national lead by Trump over Biden in the campaign ever.

00:31:16.360 He's up five nationally, up three in the battleground states.

00:31:21.820 To put it in perspective, it's been 20 years since a Republican presidential candidate has

00:31:26.120 won the national popular vote.

00:31:27.720 It's been over 30 since a Republican won it by more than five.

00:31:33.620 The latest numbers show Trump at 52, Biden at 47.

00:31:38.600 Trump leads with men by 13 points, 56 to 43.

00:31:43.620 Older voters, independents by 10 points, 54 to 44 and whites, 57 to 42.

00:31:51.780 But he's getting, at least according to this poll, 24 percent of the black vote.

00:31:58.440 Oh, M.G.

00:32:00.780 That's and don't.

00:32:02.220 That hasn't.

00:32:02.900 And 45 percent of Hispanics.

00:32:05.380 Go ahead, Matt.

00:32:06.760 Also, look at the youth vote, too.

00:32:09.260 And I say this as a father of a 16 year old.

00:32:12.820 There's a lot of people going to be voting for the first time.

00:32:15.080 And there's a lot of people who are consuming politics for the first time.

00:32:18.340 My 16 year old being one of them on TikTok, which, of course, is dominated by the red Chinese. 1.00

00:32:23.100 But what are they sharing on TikTok, these kids right now?

00:32:29.340 It's Trump fanfic.

00:32:31.180 It's crazy.

00:32:32.580 You have no idea unless you are at the unfortunate status of being a parent of a teenager.

00:32:39.660 They're making incredible memes and videos among young people.

00:32:43.120 And, you know, if you're going to look and making you right, like that there's a there's a sense of joy that's being communicated on the RNC.

00:32:49.520 Kind of like, come on in.

00:32:50.660 This is fun.

00:32:51.220 And that doesn't look fun over there.

00:32:53.100 And we're winners.

00:32:54.620 We're winners.

00:32:55.600 There's a part of it, too.

00:32:57.020 Megan, you talk about Joe Biden like, you know, insisting that he's going to be there until the moment that he's not.

00:33:03.560 Of course, they're going to do that.

00:33:05.120 But what is striking and I think is ultimately damaging to the Democratic brand even more than everything else has been right now is that Bernie Sanders did the same thing today on Morning Joe.

00:33:14.600 It is that well-known figures within the Democratic Party are also playing the, oh, he's strong.

00:33:20.400 He's our guy.

00:33:21.200 He's the best possible person.

00:33:22.620 And they're doing this all the way up until that moment when they will stop doing that.

00:33:26.740 They will turn on a dime and they'll try to convince everybody that Kamala Harris was the right person all along.

00:33:31.260 I really recommend everybody who's listening and watching this to read a piece by Martin Goury.

00:33:37.300 He published on his own Substack.

00:33:39.480 He's the author of the great book from a few years ago called The Revolt of the Public.

00:33:43.080 Published it on Substack.

00:33:43.980 And one of the very wise published it, republished it over at the Free Press.

00:33:46.740 It is a very withering take on Joe Biden's career, mostly that I agree with it's a little bit too mean, but on Joe Biden's career, but also like his streak of incredible luck.

00:33:56.380 First being tabbed by Barack Obama to be the vice president and then being the guy in place in 2020 when people were freaking out about Trump and also the progressive left.

00:34:06.200 But he talks a lot in there about this sort of myth that the Democratic establishment created around Joe Biden instrumentally just to sort of like try to pretend that he was this guy that he, Joe Biden, always had thought that he was.

00:34:21.700 But reality had smacked him in the face because he was a lifelong mediocrity in the Senate who really, really wanted to be president all the time.

00:34:29.000 And he kept screwing it up because he's not very good at that type of politics. 0.91

00:34:33.480 And so they created this myth of this great, infallible Joe Biden, the best foreign policy president that we've had, at least since LBJ and maybe FDR, all this crap that is not true. 0.78

00:34:42.780 And and he believed it. 0.59

00:34:45.000 Right. They created this edifice because they needed to have something with which to stop this Hitler from Hitlering all over us. 0.95

00:34:50.820 And so the Project 2025 and all the way down, which is crazy, like there is a music every time it's mentioned, like we read a Republican platform.

00:35:01.360 You could read it like it's the Republicans.

00:35:04.060 Pretty simple.

00:35:04.720 But so the Democrats in doing this and also the media that sort of support the Democrats, they have exposed themselves just as much, if not more, to be part of this.

00:35:14.200 People surrounded Joe Biden for years, told us that he was great, told us that Robert Herr was wrong in saying that he was an old man who was baffled by events, that that was terrible, that the Wall Street Journal was awful for reporting this and that really he's the most vigorous person we've ever seen.

00:35:29.480 He could do one hand pushups and whatever.

00:35:32.720 They all told us this for so, for so, so long.

00:35:35.620 And now we get to see this final lap of them continuing to sort of say this insincerely.

00:35:41.200 This is doing lasting damage to the Democratic brand.

00:35:43.720 They are telling us noble lies in their minds.

00:35:47.040 And Americans have been noble lied to a hell of a lot the last five to 10 years and are rightfully sick of it.

00:35:55.860 Yeah. The truth is right there before our eyes.

00:35:57.940 All right. Let me take a quick break and then we're going to come back.

00:36:00.600 And there's so much more to get to. I'm thrilled.

00:36:03.460 I miss Moynihan. I love Moynihan, but I have to say it's really nice for you guys to have the space to talk because he's a talker.

00:36:11.700 Shots fired. Shots fired.

00:36:13.380 New words got serious.

00:36:14.320 Stand by. We'll be right back.

00:36:18.720 You can see on the chart that saved my life, one of the greatest charts I've ever seen.

00:36:23.860 You know the chart. Oh, there it is. That's pretty good. Wow.

00:36:26.960 Last time I put up that chart, I never really got to look at it.

00:36:36.120 But without that chart, I would not be here today.

00:36:40.440 Wow. It's really true.

00:36:46.400 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show. Matt Welsh and Camille Foster of The Fifth Column Podcast are with me.

00:36:51.360 That was a great moment. I mean, that seemed like a genuine ad lib by Trump, who's, of course, got a good sense of humor and made everybody laugh and also a solemn moment.

00:37:00.980 And he's right. Without that chart, he wouldn't be here. And we talked about how he repeatedly referenced God and he was raised going, as he pointed out, to listen to Billy Graham and going to listen to Norman Vincent Peale, The Power of Positive Thinking.

00:37:17.580 So there's no question Trump had religious thought and the belief in God repeated to him and, you know, introduced into his life repeatedly when he was in his formative years.

00:37:30.080 I don't know exactly what his religious commitment is, but I know at least what I said. 0.96

00:37:33.860 And then you get this little lecture from, forgive me, those bitches over at The View. 1.00

00:37:40.440 Like, they can't. He he almost died like five days ago. 0.99

00:37:47.220 And this is where they went with in response to that comment.

00:37:53.700 I'm a Christian girl. When something like this happens to you, like this assassination attempt, and you say something like God is watching, was watching me.

00:38:02.520 That is a very unchristian thing to say, because it's very narcissistic.

00:38:06.280 What about, what about Corey?

00:38:07.980 What church is she going to?

00:38:09.760 Comfortory.

00:38:10.560 Comfortory.

00:38:10.760 The fireman who also got killed.

00:38:11.960 I don't know.

00:38:12.440 I think it's unchristian.

00:38:13.120 What about all those guys who got killed on Sandy Hook?

00:38:16.620 All of those people.

00:38:18.060 It's like, oh, God was watching me and not watching them.

00:38:21.040 There's something very disturbing.

00:38:21.520 That's not what he said.

00:38:22.540 God should have pulled the plug on that mic yesterday.

00:38:28.320 That's, that's, that's obnoxious.

00:38:30.080 I don't know what church she goes to.

00:38:31.860 That is, that is how people of faith talk.

00:38:34.500 And the, and the intimation is never, he was looking out for me, but not those monsters.

00:38:38.660 It's no, he was looking out for me.

00:38:40.500 It was divine providence.

00:38:41.880 We don't know why he showed his grace on me.

00:38:44.660 And, and in another instance, this was this tragic death, but it's, it's clear he did.

00:38:50.340 And I want to make something of it.

00:38:51.720 I want to do something good with it.

00:38:53.080 That is a completely normal, insane thing for someone to say.

00:38:57.000 It's totally consistent with what I hear Christians in my life say all the time.

00:39:02.460 And, and I just can't, I have to imagine it's just kind of partisan, kind of mind warping that makes it impossible for them to acknowledge what is like plainly obvious to anyone who thinks about this for a couple of minutes.

00:39:14.760 That's kind of like a Whoopi Goldberg insisting that she would love to have Jill Biden perform surgery on her because she's such a great doctor. 0.99

00:39:24.620 It's just, I don't think she really, Joy doesn't mean that at all.

00:39:27.340 She doesn't get it at all.

00:39:28.300 And it's like, you can understand it's not, Oh, God cared about Trump, but not Corey Compatari. 0.97

00:39:33.400 It's ridiculous. 0.76

00:39:34.460 I think most Christians believe God had other plans for Corey. 0.88

00:39:37.360 God called Corey home and had a different mission for him.

00:39:40.600 And those of us who are left behind to grieve the one we love struggle with that and feel sadness over that and wish it were different.

00:39:47.900 But, and sometimes it does question you.

00:39:50.700 It causes you to question your faith and your belief.

00:39:52.440 But most of us get to the place where we reconcile and we as mere mortals don't understand the plan, as you just said, Camille.

00:39:58.740 But we don't think it's narcissistic to say, thank you, God, for saving me.

00:40:04.620 I believe I too was part of your plan.

00:40:06.780 It's so warped the way she thinks about this issue.

00:40:12.100 But I do think it's linked.

00:40:14.580 Her reaction to that is linked to what you guys mentioned before the break, which is the way the Democrats reacted when Robert Herr pointed out well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

00:40:26.260 Like, they're so blinded by their hatred for Trump and their need for Biden to beat him that every piece of information is processed through that lens.

00:40:35.520 And therefore, truth is totally erased and their zeal, their zeal to get others to see how bad Trump is.

00:40:44.680 He's godless, right?

00:40:46.540 And Biden is the second coming, on the other hand, manifests virtually every day and week in the news.

00:40:52.460 Today's edition not only comes from the ladies of The View.

00:40:55.740 I'll get your reaction on this, Matt.

00:40:57.240 But from George Conway, who is, I don't know if he's still a Republican.

00:41:03.480 He was a very well-known Republican, but then he's, you know, part of the Lincoln Project, never Trumpers.

00:41:09.240 And he is convinced that, I guess, he doesn't think the Lincoln Project advertising was quite on point, which, by the way, they're calling Trump Hitler, even post-assassination.

00:41:18.580 That came out this week.

00:41:20.440 So he's decided to launch a different kind of attack on Trump, even though we were told by MSNBC and CNN and everybody else that Robert Herr was in the wrong because you can't diagnose somebody.

00:41:30.080 It's wrong to talk about mental state unless you have a doctor who can diagnose.

00:41:33.940 And Robert Herr can't say poor memory because that's like playing doctor on TV.

00:41:38.280 I give you George Conway's latest effort to stop Trump.

00:41:41.800 He's not simply eccentric or odd in a good way.

00:41:46.560 He's unwell, mentally unwell, in a dangerous way. 0.90

00:41:50.520 He is indeed a pathological narcissist on a level we have never before seen. 0.99

00:41:55.000 He's a malignant narcissist who is also a sociopath or psychopath. 0.99

00:42:00.120 What's too many people are afraid of talking about mental health issues, particularly Donald Trump's pathological lying. 1.00

00:42:06.900 It's a rigged election.

00:42:08.060 It's the only way we're going to lose.

00:42:09.320 His misogyny. 1.00

00:42:10.240 Grab him by the pussy. 1.00

00:42:11.040 His racism. 1.00

00:42:12.260 You had very fine people.

00:42:13.800 Who's will not replace us?

00:42:16.240 On both sides.

00:42:17.240 His authoritarianism.

00:42:18.640 His endless quests for vengeance.

00:42:20.600 His love for dictators.

00:42:21.980 It may even explain his recent praise of Hannibal Lecter.

00:42:24.600 All this is why I'm pleased to announce the formation of the Anti-Psychopath Political Action Committee, or Anti-Psychopack for short.

00:42:34.800 Wait, this is part two.

00:42:37.040 He went on Morning Joe.

00:42:38.060 The place that told us we don't make medical diagnoses on TV.

00:42:41.300 It's wrong, Robert Herr, wrong.

00:42:43.840 To say, poor memory.

00:42:45.040 When did you get your MD?

00:42:46.380 And what did he do?

00:42:48.060 Well, look for yourselves.

00:42:49.220 And once I started reading about personality disorders, in particular narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder, you know, pathological narcissism and sociopathy, everything became clear.

00:43:04.300 We want to level the playing field on the mental states of the two candidates.

00:43:09.400 Both of them are old.

00:43:10.740 Both of them misstate words.

00:43:12.760 These are the DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder.

00:43:18.400 But here's the real issue. 0.97

00:43:19.780 He is also a sociopath. 0.96

00:43:22.320 This isn't hard. 0.98

00:43:23.360 You don't have to be a shrink.

00:43:25.620 Impulsivity, I mean, your ability and aggressiveness.

00:43:27.740 Trust me, I'm not a shrink. 0.99

00:43:28.660 He raped a woman. 1.00

00:43:31.400 He's found by a jury to rape a woman. 1.00

00:43:33.280 And that's what we're seeing. 0.86

00:43:35.220 And I think he's had an advantage over these last couple of years that people haven't been seeing him.

00:43:41.040 Wow.

00:43:42.380 People just haven't been told by the absolute, like, like, principless political hitman at the Lincoln Project. 0.99

00:43:52.200 They haven't really just been told that Donald Trump is a sociopath.

00:43:55.500 Thank you for this new line. 0.99

00:43:57.300 Or a narcissist.

00:43:57.660 They were bringing out this DSM chart in 2016.

00:44:00.660 I remember it.

00:44:01.120 2015 maybe even.

00:44:02.540 But certainly by 2016 as well.

00:44:05.060 And it's pretty interesting.

00:44:07.540 I, you know, whenever I see a new super PAC splintering from an old, one wonders what's happening behind the scenes in the game for generational wealth.

00:44:18.400 Which, if anyone who's seen the just gag-inducing documentary about the Lincoln Project where they had cameras embedded with them, they're just fascinated by the opportunity by getting everyone's sort of like sense of Trump hatred converted into a donation right now that they can create, Rick Wilson and others, a generational wealth for themselves and their families.

00:44:40.020 I thought when seeing their Hitler ad earlier this week, you're coming out with a Hitler ad after Trump has been shot in the ear that, okay, if you're making this Hitler ad, you are actually almost telegraphing your wish to be in the opposition.

00:44:58.020 You think that generational wealth is better earned by striking up the resistance again, right?

00:45:07.940 Because when there's resistance 2.0, there's going to be people who are going to be all inflamed and ready to convert that sensor.

00:45:16.020 What are you saying? You're saying that they would like to see Trump win so that they can be in the paid opposition jumping up and down about him?

00:45:22.960 Makes me wonder about that as a possibility. Yes, Megan.

00:45:25.860 And that was the feeling that I had because if you were actually serious about the Hitler analogy, I just don't remember a lot of generational wealth being generated by Hitler's opposition, right?

00:45:37.880 Hitler's opposition died. That's what happened to them. 0.60

00:45:40.320 So if you're just doing that now, again, after the assassination, after there's been at least a moment of people going, okay, maybe we're kind of going too far with some of these analogies.

00:45:50.120 And they're like, no, that analogy is awesome.

00:45:52.540 At a time when, you know, Joe Biden hasn't been ahead of a single poll at any time, really, in 2024.

00:45:59.660 Harry Anson at CNN pointed that out.

00:46:02.260 At this point in the race, four years ago, Trump had never been ahead.

00:46:05.480 At this point now, even before the terrible debate, Biden has never been ahead.

00:46:09.220 If you're like doubling down on that right now, what does that say about your sense of strategy?

00:46:13.000 It says to me that you're more interested in raising money. 0.99

00:46:16.040 So you're going to go and advertise this crap. 1.00

00:46:18.000 And they did. 1.00

00:46:18.980 This George Conway crap on MSNBC in the morning. 0.99

00:46:21.180 Joe, it's terrible. 0.99

00:46:22.380 That group did raise a lot of money, Lincoln Project.

00:46:24.820 I don't know how their fundraising is now.

00:46:26.460 Can I point this out, Camille, before we go to break?

00:46:29.140 Yeah. 0.97

00:46:30.720 Trump, he probably is a narcissist. 0.99

00:46:32.800 I think you have to be a narcissist to run for president. 0.98

00:46:34.620 I really do.

00:46:35.160 I just don't think like the average person thinks that they can do it and maybe they can't.

00:46:38.820 Yeah.

00:46:39.020 But that's rich.

00:46:40.440 Okay.

00:46:41.440 Speaking of Invesco Field and Barack Obama in 2008, literally with the Greek columns.

00:46:51.240 Wow.

00:46:51.720 It was like a coronation.

00:46:54.800 Everyone mocked it because it was so grand and over the top.

00:47:00.540 Sure.

00:47:01.220 Being a little in love with your own thoughts and voice.

00:47:03.800 That's just a Trump thing, you said, Camille.

00:47:06.500 Now was the time.

00:47:07.840 That's what I'm hearing.

00:47:09.580 It is wild to go back and look at this again.

00:47:12.740 And it is interesting.

00:47:13.880 I mean, to be, this isn't even particularly critical of Trump.

00:47:17.460 At some point, the guy who you're electing is going to disappoint the hell out of you.

00:47:21.480 It is interesting to think about these moments and what the reality was on the grounds like four, eight years later when things kind of hadn't all gone your way.

00:47:32.640 It's just worth keeping that in mind when you're kind of rhapsodizing about how great your guy is and how powerful and potent this moment is.

00:47:40.280 Like, look at this, picturesque, unbelievable.

00:47:43.380 Eh, okay.

00:47:45.240 Calm down a little bit.

00:47:47.500 Calm down.

00:47:47.760 I will never forget.

00:47:49.120 You know, it was like, went to that Republican rally.

00:47:51.860 It was like, Sarah Palin.

00:47:52.880 Oh, my God.

00:47:53.360 She electrified the whole audience.

00:47:55.880 Everybody.

00:47:56.560 This is amazing.

00:47:57.480 And then you go to Invesco Field and it's like, oh, they're effed.

00:48:03.080 They're effed.

00:48:04.000 Sure enough.

00:48:05.020 We all know how that worked out.

00:48:06.320 But it was the reverse. 0.99

00:48:07.280 I mean, we haven't had the damn convention this year. 0.96

00:48:09.600 But does anybody think there's going to be that? 0.98

00:48:13.800 The coronation?

00:48:15.160 I can't wait to get to Chicago, to be totally honest.

00:48:17.680 I know.

00:48:18.560 I hope it's an open convention. 0.99

00:48:20.400 This clown called craziness. 0.99

00:48:22.560 I can't wait. 0.96

00:48:23.280 Like, either way, it's going to be interesting.

00:48:24.980 If it's Barack Obama.

00:48:25.960 I mean, not Barack.

00:48:26.560 If it's going to be Joe Biden.

00:48:28.680 I can't wait to hear what the speeches are.

00:48:30.600 What are the speeches going to be?

00:48:32.120 What are people going to say?

00:48:34.280 Still, like, the energy, you know, like, still alive.

00:48:41.260 And if it's not, it's going to get super fun to cover the fight.

00:48:44.580 All right.

00:48:45.120 Stand by.

00:48:45.740 More to come.

00:48:46.560 Quick break.

00:48:48.340 On a personal note, it's, yeah, I mean, seeing Donald Trump get up after getting shot in

00:48:54.220 the face and pump his fist in the air with the American flag is one of the most badass

00:49:01.220 things I've ever seen in my life.

00:49:03.180 But, but, but look, I mean, it's, you know, as, and I think, look, at some level, as an

00:49:09.380 American, it's like hard to not get kind of emotional about that spirit and that fight.

00:49:15.420 And I think that that's why a lot of people like the guy.

00:49:18.020 An extraordinary statement by meta founder Mark Zuckerberg, who certainly doesn't sound

00:49:27.360 like he's going to be getting involved in this election.

00:49:29.920 In fact, at the beginning of that clip, he says the longer version, I'm not going to be

00:49:33.280 getting involved this time with the Zucker bucks and so on.

00:49:36.560 And maybe some sort of an olive branch there to Donald Trump.

00:49:41.400 It wasn't as far as an endorsement, but it certainly, it certainly sounded like open

00:49:46.240 praise.

00:49:46.820 I mean, it was open praise and you know what?

00:49:49.240 It was a natural statement.

00:49:51.220 Camille, Camille is like, yes, as an American, you did watch that moment.

00:49:56.360 If you were a normal American and thought he is a bad-ass.

00:50:03.280 Yeah.

00:50:03.840 And, and I don't know about Mark, like the new look, he kind of looks like someone out

00:50:07.520 of NSYNC or something.

00:50:08.720 I mean, it's not a diss.

00:50:09.920 It just, it's sort of weird.

00:50:11.260 Run it that way.

00:50:14.360 But you can't forget that Mark is a Silicon Valley guy and we have seen a tremendous shift

00:50:19.720 in the culture.

00:50:21.040 That couldn't tell a difference.

00:50:23.120 But you've seen this tremendous shift in the culture of Silicon Valley.

00:50:26.400 Folks like Mark Andreessen and various others, Peter, obviously, Peter Thiel, obviously has

00:50:31.700 a long history with Trump.

00:50:33.240 Although he kind of sounded like he wanted to stay out of politics for a while, is perhaps

00:50:37.840 at least at the moment enjoying a bit of a victory lap because, you know, his guy, J.D.

00:50:45.000 Vance, and now Trump, who he was willing to support before anyone else, that people are

00:50:50.140 doing it now.

00:50:51.060 A lot of the embarrassment of at least sounding open to talking about a Trump presidency or

00:50:56.680 being kind of polite to Donald Trump in public is something that, again, a lot of the kind

00:51:01.740 of toxic implications of that have been washed away in recent days, quite frankly.

00:51:07.840 So it's not at all surprising to see Zuck kind of strike a more moderate tone when talking

00:51:13.080 about this kind of thing.

00:51:14.860 And certainly, I mean, Meta slash Facebook has no interest whatsoever in being seen as

00:51:19.820 being particularly active in the election after the experience that they had in 2020.

00:51:25.920 Right.

00:51:26.760 I mean, they got involved with all the fact checking and so it was a nightmare.

00:51:30.400 And now they've really deprioritized news on their site, which I think is a bummer because

00:51:35.280 I know a lot of people were getting their news on Facebook.

00:51:38.100 Now they're much more into softer content.

00:51:40.160 But the point is, it certainly sounds like he's going to be sitting this one out.

00:51:43.460 And I think that's yet another good thing for Trump in the news cycle.

00:51:46.740 No, we're not going to have to see all of his money backing the Democratic candidate.

00:51:50.300 And this on the heels of learning that Elon is going to spend $45 million a month to the

00:51:57.620 super PAC supporting Trump.

00:51:59.900 That's a lot of dough.

00:52:01.720 And that's just yet another calculation that the Democrats have to factor in.

00:52:04.880 You know, Katzenberg's telling him the money's drying up.

00:52:07.560 You're not going to have Zucker bucks.

00:52:09.120 You've got Elon bucks over supporting Trump, not to mention all the others who are pouring

00:52:13.840 money into the Trump coffers.

00:52:15.480 It's just you can't win without money.

00:52:17.700 That's the bottom line.

00:52:18.780 And there are four months left to go.

00:52:20.940 Well, I mean, there's 80 days, I guess, until they start early voting.

00:52:23.900 But let's just say, what is today?

00:52:25.280 July 17th, August, September, October.

00:52:28.700 Yeah, so we've got three months and three weeks left to go.

00:52:32.920 They need money.

00:52:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:36.140 And it's super interesting.

00:52:37.560 I mean, I didn't even mention Elon when I was talking about all the various people in

00:52:40.720 Silicon Valley who are supporting Trump.

00:52:42.120 But I've been paying attention to some of the discourse there.

00:52:46.460 And I mean, I think they're making a pretty clear and understandable calculation.

00:52:52.020 I mean, the Democrats, with respect to the way that the relationship that they've had

00:52:55.600 with Silicon Valley, most of the people making investments now who are publicly supporting

00:53:00.340 Trump are interested in AI.

00:53:03.080 The conversations around AI regulation, around crypto regulation, certainly been places where

00:53:08.600 Republicans have made some inroads with tech investors and entrepreneurs, the community

00:53:13.940 broadly, and I think that they are banking on the future.

00:53:17.420 And from their standpoint, even if you aren't a kind of dyed-in-the-wool conservative, even

00:53:22.020 if you aren't particularly excited about the kind of economic policy that's being specifically

00:53:27.740 articulated by someone like J.D. Vance, you may imagine to yourself, look, if my thinking

00:53:33.820 is that the future of this country, the future of kind of technological innovation, depends

00:53:38.460 on the success of these particular technologies, then the people who are going to create the

00:53:43.640 most favorable environment for us to do this work are the ones who are going to get our

00:53:47.840 support.

00:53:48.440 And a lot of them have looked at the two options on the table currently, Joe Biden and

00:53:53.000 Donald Trump, and have made a choice for Donald Trump.

00:53:56.660 And I think that that's a rather important dynamic that won't necessarily be washed away

00:54:02.460 if the Democrats decide to run someone else in place of Joe Biden.

00:54:06.640 Yeah, it's not it's no longer like stigmatized to be voting for Donald Trump.

00:54:13.900 You've got so many rich tech executives, American entrepreneurs coming out and saying me, you

00:54:20.700 know, look at the cast of characters like I know that Amber Rose took a beating by some 1.00

00:54:25.280 for getting up at this convention and saying I'm voting Trump.

00:54:28.120 But that took some courage.

00:54:29.720 Right.

00:54:30.060 And she did it.

00:54:30.800 And she represents a growing faction amongst women, amongst young people, amongst black

00:54:36.280 people.

00:54:36.800 She's mixed race to say, I don't care what you say. 1.00

00:54:39.620 I mean, like we didn't spend enough time on the 24 percent in that latest poll, 24 percent

00:54:44.260 of the black vote voting for Trump.

00:54:47.500 That's that's it.

00:54:49.260 It's over.

00:54:50.040 It's that is a devastating death knell to any candidacy on the Democratic side.

00:54:55.700 Now, I realize a lot of know-it-alls say, oh, that'll never happen.

00:54:59.620 Zero chance that that'll actually happen on Election Day.

00:55:02.300 But I mean, if Trump gets over 18 percent of the black vote, Camille, Biden's done.

00:55:07.520 Kamala's done.

00:55:08.480 Whoever's done.

00:55:09.500 You cannot win as a Dem without those numbers.

00:55:12.640 Yeah, I mean, it seems pretty obvious his candidacy at this point is pretty much cooked.

00:55:17.300 But I don't I don't see it coming back, only a matter of whether or not someone else can

00:55:21.200 pick up the baton and manage to make some inroads there.

00:55:24.160 But again, I just have no reason to believe Donald Trump won this.

00:55:26.700 Forgive me for interrupting you.

00:55:27.820 Yeah, because one of the reasons we're saying it should be Kamala if it's not Biden is because

00:55:32.380 black women are going to be very angry if she gets passed over. 1.00

00:55:36.080 And yes, I mean, you know, black voters make up 13 percent of the American population. 0.70

00:55:40.100 Half is female.

00:55:40.860 The other half is male.

00:55:42.440 Black men seem more inclined to give Trump a look.

00:55:45.400 Black women seem firmly in the Democrat camp. 0.94

00:55:48.480 Not, you know, not all of them, obviously, but if you just look at the numbers and I don't

00:55:52.500 know, do you think black men are like a huge constituency of Kamala Harris to where they'd

00:55:58.960 be like, oh, no, you know, you passed her over.

00:56:02.440 I I don't see it.

00:56:04.540 I just haven't seen I've seen no evidence of that whatsoever.

00:56:07.040 Like this this particular support and interest in Kamala Harris.

00:56:10.380 It wasn't there when she was running for the presidency herself.

00:56:15.100 I don't think Joe Biden got a bump amongst this particular constituency because Kamala 0.85

00:56:19.700 Harris was running.

00:56:21.080 And quite frankly, I just don't know that she actually has all of the kind of cultural

00:56:25.200 credibility that people imagine.

00:56:27.360 There's this video of her going to watch the Team USA basketball players kind of tuning

00:56:33.580 up and practicing for their championship run.

00:56:37.260 And folks looked kind of visibly disinterested in her being there in a way that they did

00:56:41.680 not look when Barack Obama showed up.

00:56:44.140 So I think ultimately authenticity and cultural relevance are far more important than the particular

00:56:50.080 traits that she happens to have. 0.68

00:56:52.200 And the reality is that a lot of people just she reads as inauthentic in a way that some

00:56:57.080 of these other people do not.

00:56:59.040 So I don't think that's I don't see a tremendous amount of support for that, honestly.

00:57:04.000 So one of the interesting things when we've got Matt back, we lost him for a second.

00:57:07.240 Thanks to the technical glitches that are happening is mercury and retrograde.

00:57:11.300 What is happening?

00:57:13.840 One of the interesting things on the Trump messaging.

00:57:16.620 And I've been waiting for this piece of his messaging.

00:57:19.740 And finally, they're doing it.

00:57:21.100 His the people running his campaign are top notch.

00:57:24.080 Um, this ad is amazing.

00:57:29.120 Right now, it's just running on X.

00:57:30.940 It should get a wider berth.

00:57:33.340 Um, I'll try to do.

00:57:35.320 Well, I'll just describe it before it airs for the listening audience.

00:57:37.680 It's like it's in one of those sketch modes, you know, like, you know, you can make your

00:57:43.020 pictures if you hit different things look like it's just been sketched out with a pencil.

00:57:46.780 It's in that kind of, um, format and it's very effective.

00:57:52.040 And the thing that's so effective about it is it's Trump being inspirational, uplift,

00:57:57.400 not just uplifting, but like, this is how you get over life's challenges.

00:58:01.340 Watch this.

00:58:02.800 If I give you one message to hold in your hearts today, it's this treat the word impossible

00:58:10.960 as nothing more than motivation.

00:58:14.680 Relish the opportunity to be an outsider because it's the outsiders who change the world and

00:58:21.900 who make a real and lasting difference.

00:58:24.480 The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should be

00:58:31.480 that you must keep pushing ahead.

00:58:35.080 You must keep pushing forward.

00:58:43.600 That's awesome, Matt.

00:58:45.160 Great ad.

00:58:45.900 Just a great ad.

00:58:46.740 Uh, and, and very much, uh, in keeping with the messages that we saw at the RNC this week,

00:58:52.460 I was particularly happy, um, to see, I think it was in the first day it was, uh, to make

00:58:57.360 America wealthy again, right?

00:59:00.720 Um, people, I think this racial determined, the determinism in politics is so mistaken when

00:59:06.820 it comes to immigrant communities and there's immigrant communities in every single racial

00:59:10.680 classifications too, which is, makes it even more absurd.

00:59:13.840 But, uh, the people who come here to this country, including JD Vance's wife's parents 1.00

00:59:18.840 and others, um, yes, you're coming here to escape poverty, including some of the immigrants

00:59:23.940 that, uh, Donald Trump talks less favorably about.

00:59:27.160 Um, but a lot of people come here to get rich too, or like they come here to escape poverty

00:59:31.080 and their dream is to get as wealthy as they can.

00:59:34.600 It is the American dream.

00:59:35.960 Donald Trump has always been an aspirational figure.

00:59:38.560 It's something that his fellow elites, uh, look down upon him because he's an outer borough

00:59:43.800 guy.

00:59:44.100 He's not an inner borough.

00:59:45.020 He didn't make it on the inside of finance and media and the stuff that you succeed in

00:59:49.720 New York.

00:59:50.220 He kind of came with some family help and got into real estate, which is always seen

00:59:54.620 as a grubby business in New York, uh, among the fancy pants type of people.

00:59:58.320 And he has always had this sense of connection with those.

01:00:02.100 And this is part of the working class shift of the Republican party, uh, which working class

01:00:07.720 like in the most crude definition are people like me.

01:00:11.060 They don't have college degrees.

01:00:12.740 I'm not calling myself working class.

01:00:14.520 That's just tickling a joke.

01:00:16.140 But, um, uh, who doesn't have college degrees?

01:00:18.900 Most, well, lots of immigrants don't have first and second generation. 1.00

01:00:22.220 So usually by the second generation they do.

01:00:23.880 Um, but the first ones don't, um, a lot of people, uh, of color or however we're calling

01:00:28.840 whatever minority communities today.

01:00:30.940 Also a lot of Hispanics and this sense, the democratic party for years was coasting on this 0.96

01:00:36.440 sense of that Hispanics will always be with us.

01:00:38.800 And of course the black vote will always be 90 to 10 or something like that. 0.96

01:00:42.360 Um, there's no reason to make that automatic.

01:00:45.080 Uh, and a lot of the ways that this changes, not only in this country, but in almost every

01:00:50.140 Western country that you can think of where there has been a populist takeover, we have

01:00:54.840 seen, and Patrick Graffini, the pollster has talked about this a great deal.

01:00:58.060 You have seen a shift in a working class allegiances from the left parties to the right parties

01:01:03.640 because the left parties have become more elite in their tastes, in their sort of sense

01:01:08.000 of condescensions and their treatments of culture.

01:01:10.020 And the right has just been more kind of like, Hey, everyone's welcome.

01:01:14.520 All right.

01:01:15.060 That's what you're, that's what the left told itself for a long time that it was doing and

01:01:19.120 that it was supposed to be doing, but it's not actually how this is going to be.

01:01:22.080 I was struck yesterday.

01:01:23.580 And again, all throughout the, uh, the convention of one of the notes that was hit, which is

01:01:28.300 that, um, you know, we can speak whatever we want.

01:01:31.660 No one told me I couldn't say anything in this speech.

01:01:34.200 We're never, Donald Trump is never going to tell you what to say because how do people

01:01:38.820 experience everyday normal people experience that kind of cultural elite condescension that

01:01:44.380 they hate?

01:01:44.920 It is when they say something and they get corrected when they're, when they're sort of

01:01:49.180 forced to recite something they don't necessarily believe during a human resources meeting at

01:01:54.480 work.

01:01:54.800 It's these little things.

01:01:55.940 They hate to get their language policed.

01:01:58.040 Do you feel that our listeners at fifth column have been telling this, this from day one of

01:02:02.620 our, uh, uh, podcast, um, they hate those experiences.

01:02:06.080 And so people can recognize that because the cultural side, not necessarily the democratic

01:02:10.660 party at all, although that comes into it too, but the cultural side of the left has been

01:02:15.140 telling people what they can and cannot say.

01:02:17.380 And human beings hate that.

01:02:19.300 Like stop doing that.

01:02:20.760 Well, Americans hate that.

01:02:22.480 Yes.

01:02:23.060 It's not in our DNA.

01:02:25.560 Especially.

01:02:26.220 Yes.

01:02:27.340 Yeah.

01:02:27.580 No, I was, I was thinking about it because truly that that's one of the reasons we live

01:02:30.820 here, right?

01:02:31.260 Like we were born here and we were born to parents who came here and all of that.

01:02:36.040 It's baked into who we are.

01:02:37.900 We don't want to be told what to think, what to say, how to say it.

01:02:43.220 If you want to live like that, go live someplace else.

01:02:45.120 That's not the United States of America.

01:02:46.800 Every country has its own culture and some are weirder than others.

01:02:49.700 When we were over in Sweden in June, they told us that all the kids in K through 12 call

01:02:56.580 their teachers by their first names.

01:02:58.760 I was like, what?

01:03:01.420 Ew.

01:03:02.260 I mean, we do not let our kids call any grownup by their first name.

01:03:05.920 It's just, it's a no.

01:03:06.920 And a lot of our friends would be like, oh, you guys would probably come over.

01:03:09.140 You'd be like, I'm Camille.

01:03:09.860 And I'd be like, no.

01:03:11.260 And my kids know that.

01:03:13.340 So it's a nice thing to offer, but just culturally in the United States, we don't like to be told

01:03:18.580 how to speak.

01:03:20.060 And Trump's been, you know, the champion of that on the working class point. 0.55

01:03:23.260 Can I play?

01:03:23.580 This is one of my favorite moments of last night.

01:03:26.100 Steve Krakauer, our executive producer, was on the floor and he said it went over huge

01:03:29.080 with the people around him.

01:03:31.460 And this is yet another appeal that Trump is pushing and a new pitch he's making that we

01:03:35.800 should not be taxing the tips that service members make.

01:03:41.220 He gave us some insight into how he decided to offer that pitch.

01:03:46.000 Watch.

01:03:46.800 And we're having dinner at a beautiful restaurant in the Trump building on the Strip.

01:03:52.180 And it's a great building.

01:03:53.620 And the waitress comes over.

01:03:54.900 How's everything going?

01:03:56.080 Really nice person.

01:03:57.400 How's everything?

01:03:58.080 Oh, Sarah, it's so tough.

01:03:59.820 The government's after me all the time on tips, tips, tips.

01:04:03.340 I said, well, they give you cash.

01:04:05.020 Would they be able to find him?

01:04:06.020 She said, actually, and I didn't know this.

01:04:07.500 She said, very little cash is given.

01:04:09.060 It's all put right on the check.

01:04:11.260 And they come in and they take so much of our money. 0.95

01:04:13.240 It's just ridiculous.

01:04:14.460 But I said to her, let me just ask you a question.

01:04:17.460 Would you be happy if you had no tax and tips?

01:04:19.560 She said, what a great idea.

01:04:21.200 I got my information from a very smart waitress. 1.00

01:04:24.040 That's better than spending millions of dollars.

01:04:28.000 And everybody, everybody loves it.

01:04:32.880 Waitresses and caddies and drivers.

01:04:36.900 Pretty good.

01:04:38.540 Pretty good.

01:04:39.360 And it's interesting that Joe Biden has kind of an analogous proposal in some respects.

01:04:44.080 It's like top down federal rent control that he's proposing.

01:04:48.060 And one would imagine that there might be similarly kind of enthusiastic support for this.

01:04:52.760 But it's like, good luck with that.

01:04:54.160 That's so that's so impossible.

01:04:56.420 And also anyone who has a slightly well-informed understanding of economics,

01:05:02.100 you've got a little bit of experience with rent control.

01:05:04.780 We know how these policies frequently don't work and backfire in important ways.

01:05:09.700 I mean, Donald Trump just has a stronger hand with a policy like this.

01:05:12.840 I mean, frankly, I'm thinking about how I can find myself in a position where I can just accept more of my income and tips.

01:05:18.780 Because that would be better for me, too.

01:05:20.240 So there's a way to figure that out.

01:05:22.960 And they don't craft this law in a very careful way.

01:05:25.260 Maybe I'll benefit from that, too.

01:05:26.720 Sounds pretty good.

01:05:27.200 But it's just it's just great.

01:05:28.940 And it sounds organic.

01:05:30.300 And it's another one of those moments where Donald Trump is kind of shooting from the hip, creating policy on the fly in this really organic way.

01:05:39.040 And it has it says a great deal about where the campaign is drawing energy, where it's drawing its strength from at the moment and where a more elite establishment campaign run by Democrats at this point is drawing their strength from.

01:05:52.040 And it's interesting to wonder, like, about a situation where you've got an opportunity to have either Brad Pitt or Mr. Beast come and do, like, remarks at your convention.

01:06:02.400 And we're in a moment where Mr. Beast is probably a hell of a lot more valuable than Brad Pitt is.

01:06:08.140 And that is what you see on display.

01:06:10.720 It's so much of what was at the RNC.

01:06:13.700 And when we talk about, like, the memes and kids, like, that's great energy.

01:06:17.060 So you've got Hulk Hogan, you've got Kid Rock, you've got this blatant in, you know, on the nose, reach out to the working class voters who are coming home to Trump in droves.

01:06:25.800 This was never a traditional Republican voting bloc.

01:06:28.300 And I will say I do.

01:06:29.380 I said this before, but so have others.

01:06:31.220 I do think Trump's, you know, rough language, which I also share as listeners to the show.

01:06:36.600 No, I can't help it.

01:06:39.500 It was the lawyer years.

01:06:41.500 Right.

01:06:42.000 So locker room talk.

01:06:43.180 Yeah.

01:06:43.340 No, I don't go perverted.

01:06:44.620 I just go, you know, with it, I've got some choice, four-letter words that I like to use here or there.

01:06:49.640 Anyway, Trump uses those.

01:06:52.180 And I think that's, like, his New York City construction, even though he is a rich guy, it shows people, and you know it is authentic.

01:06:59.360 You know, he's relatable.

01:07:00.680 He's funny.

01:07:01.600 He doesn't take himself too seriously.

01:07:03.440 And he did make a funny reference to this problem, in air quotes, last night.

01:07:09.460 Listen to Sade.

01:07:10.620 He wrote me a note recently.

01:07:12.420 I have a lot of respect for him.

01:07:14.400 Sir, I love your storytelling.

01:07:16.900 I think it's great in front of these big rallies.

01:07:18.920 But, sir, please do me one favor.

01:07:21.100 It won't make any difference.

01:07:22.940 Please don't use any foul language.

01:07:27.740 I was a little embarrassed.

01:07:29.160 I said, he said, it won't make any difference.

01:07:32.300 Actually, it does.

01:07:32.940 The story's not quite as good, but I've been very good.

01:07:36.500 The story is not quite as good, to be honest.

01:07:38.620 I've got to have a little talk with Franklin, but he was great.

01:07:42.180 My father would take me to see Billy Graham at Yankee Stadium.

01:07:46.060 He had the biggest rallies you've ever seen.

01:07:48.020 He was a good rally guy, too.

01:07:49.520 But I love Franklin Graham.

01:07:50.940 I think Franklin's been fantastic.

01:07:52.680 And I'm trying.

01:07:53.340 I'm working so hard to adhere to his note to me.

01:07:56.840 I'm working hard on it, Franklin.

01:07:58.600 He's so like, he's just naturally funny and witty.

01:08:02.980 All that Trump appealing.

01:08:05.520 I just don't think whatever the speech was long.

01:08:08.400 That's not going to do it.

01:08:09.460 Kamala Harris.

01:08:10.740 She can't.

01:08:11.480 She's incapable of that kind of a moment.

01:08:13.600 You guys, you've seen her on the swearing alone.

01:08:16.360 Not that you have to swear to be president, but on the swearing alone.

01:08:19.540 You saw her at like that event.

01:08:21.200 They sent her out and she tried to drop an F-bomb. 1.00

01:08:23.300 And it just looks so astroturfy, right?

01:08:27.440 It's like, oh, trying too hard.

01:08:29.900 All right.

01:08:30.100 So let's switch back to the Dem side again, because I wanted to play this.

01:08:33.780 In the midst of Halperin's reporting, and not just Halperin, but the New York Times

01:08:38.000 also reporting Biden's going.

01:08:40.240 He's like the pressure's amping up.

01:08:41.600 Could happen this weekend.

01:08:42.920 I'm putting it in stronger terms than the Times did.

01:08:45.460 But there's no one saying he's not going other than his campaign manager, right?

01:08:50.540 So like the on-the-record statements are, he's in.

01:08:54.280 And even Morning Joe this morning was like, can't see how this goes forward.

01:09:00.140 I mean, even they appear to be accepting.

01:09:02.080 It's one of the five stages of grief, reality.

01:09:04.640 But here was Jen O'Malley Dillon. 1.00

01:09:07.320 She's his re-election campaign chair this morning on MSNBC.

01:09:12.200 Is Joe Biden still in the race?

01:09:14.460 Absolutely, the president's in this race.

01:09:16.240 Joe Biden is more committed than ever.

01:09:17.860 What do you say to Democrats who say he can't win?

01:09:20.980 We've definitely seen some slippage in support, but it has been a small movement.

01:09:26.580 American people know that the president is older.

01:09:29.340 What they're doing is they're saying to us, can he do it?

01:09:32.160 And the president's saying, yes, I can.

01:09:34.040 He's absolutely in it.

01:09:35.320 What does Joe Biden and the campaign say to those who continue to say he should step down,

01:09:40.800 including incredibly high-profile names like Chuck Schumer and whispers from former President Obama?

01:09:48.320 I think every person believes that we have to defeat Donald Trump.

01:09:53.820 We are united in that.

01:09:55.180 So is there any chance that the president gets out of this race at any point?

01:09:59.640 He is in this race to win, and he is our nominee, and he's going to be our president for a second term.

01:10:04.240 That's just a thankless, thankless job.

01:10:11.540 Corrine Jean-Pierre, or whatever her name is, had said in an interview a few years ago,

01:10:17.120 it's really, really hard to have to lie for your boss in politics when they're in the middle of going through hell.

01:10:23.520 And let's remember, she used to represent John Edwards as his spokeswoman.

01:10:27.520 So, yeah, I can see that it makes it, you can tell by her hands, by the way, at the beginning of that clip,

01:10:34.120 like she's doing, those of us who have old people in our lives who are going through different things,

01:10:38.380 they use little, like, physical mechanisms to try to get their words out and to not panic.

01:10:45.540 With Joe Biden, it's the use of the word anyway, like just to cut off a sentence when Jill is putting up cue cards from the audience.

01:10:52.940 So she was doing that with her hands.

01:10:55.620 Now, it's, it's, it is so, like, an extended cringe moment, right?

01:11:01.100 Like, I was last, I thought last night was actually the worst of the four days of the RNC,

01:11:05.000 because I actually enjoyed the other days of the RNC, which is not, I don't enjoy major party political conventions very much in general.

01:11:12.660 I find them to be mostly cringe, and I found this one to be mostly not.

01:11:16.140 For me, the kid rock was, was cringe, because the lip singing was really bad,

01:11:19.840 and I didn't need to see his belly and a bunch of other stuff.

01:11:21.860 But it was cringe that lasted four minutes.

01:11:24.280 We're now on how many weeks since the debate?

01:11:27.500 We are in this extended slow motion cringe.

01:11:30.760 Every single interview with a guy, every single completely insincere spokesman doing something with their hands,

01:11:38.100 every Bernie Sanders comment, every Barack Obama saying one thing publicly,

01:11:42.260 and then another thing behind the scenes in his rich friend's ears,

01:11:45.480 it is all this cringe, and it all sort of reminds us of those things.

01:11:49.420 Remember, they said about the Hillary Clinton servers moments and some of the things about it.

01:11:54.700 One of the reasons why that was so damaging is because it reinforced what we already knew and didn't like about her, right?

01:12:00.340 What we're seeing from the Democratic Party right now is reinforcing what we already know and don't like about the Democratic Party.

01:12:05.900 That is a deadly thing to be playing in a presidential year in July.

01:12:11.560 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:12.560 It is interesting.

01:12:13.540 But let's talk about realistically what they're going to do, because there is a split in the reporting.

01:12:18.900 Last night, Halpern was saying he wouldn't endorse Kamala and would call for an open convention,

01:12:23.520 but, you know, might say nice things about Kamala.

01:12:26.440 And then the second report that came out said, no, he would endorse Kamala.

01:12:31.620 So they don't know.

01:12:32.360 That's obvious.

01:12:33.080 They actually don't know.

01:12:34.200 And he probably hasn't made a decision on that.

01:12:35.900 And look, I should point out there's some, you know, 5 percent chance, you know, crack addled Hunter and the daughter with whom he took the inappropriate showers

01:12:47.000 and the power hungry wife who clearly doesn't want to let go of her Vogue covers and trips to the G7 are telling him, don't go.

01:12:56.880 Hold on.

01:12:57.920 You've got the delegates, you know, which is a crazed cartoon supervillains who are going to come out forcing him.

01:13:04.200 You don't do it.

01:13:05.880 That's still possible.

01:13:07.360 But I do think, you know, not likely because they want the Joe Biden presidential library and they want the money that comes when you leave office, a superhero as opposed to a supervillain.

01:13:19.840 So we'll see.

01:13:22.280 Anyway, how is it going to work?

01:13:24.860 Because now you're hearing maybe Kamala will choose as her running mate, possibly Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania.

01:13:30.900 Like if she gets the anointing and she'll have this white guy from a critical, you know, blue wall state, but he's Jewish. 0.73

01:13:38.840 So with Americans vote for that ticket or I've heard smart people say, no, it'll be Kamala Gretchen Whitmer. 1.00

01:13:45.640 Remember, I'm telling you right now, the American public is not going to vote for double estrogen on a ticket.

01:13:50.480 It is not going to happen.

01:13:53.180 We couldn't even get one woman on the ticket. 1.00

01:13:55.320 All right.

01:13:55.700 How are you going to get two women? 1.00

01:13:57.220 We're going to go from, you know, yes, Kamala Harris is vice president, but we've never been able to have a female president. 1.00

01:14:01.980 We're going to have a double not going to happen.

01:14:03.900 We're not there yet.

01:14:05.040 Um, but they're like abortion. 1.00

01:14:08.300 There aren't enough single women in America to make that ticket happen. 1.00

01:14:11.380 There just aren't.

01:14:12.080 And those and men with like the court, like only the soy men are going to vote anyway. 0.99

01:14:18.860 So what do you see happening?

01:14:21.600 Because already reportedly, reportedly Gavin Newsom is now saying, I don't want it.

01:14:26.200 And reportedly Gretchen Whitmer saying, I don't want it either.

01:14:29.100 These people want to wait four years.

01:14:30.340 So you're left with the North Carolina governor, um, the Kentucky governor, Bashir, and the

01:14:38.620 Pennsylvania governor.

01:14:39.700 Some people are saying might draft in somebody like Admiral McRaven to run with Kamala.

01:14:44.680 I don't like, where do you see this going and what would help?

01:14:48.340 Yeah, it is interesting to see how, how awful an assignment this has become.

01:14:52.800 Cause you had a palpable sense after that debate that lots of people want to take this job.

01:14:58.180 They want the opportunity to run against vulnerable, unpopular Donald Trump post-assassination,

01:15:04.060 post-RNC.

01:15:05.560 Uh, I don't know that that kind of enthusiasm exists and I don't believe most of the things

01:15:09.980 Gavin Newsom says, but at the moment when he says he doesn't want to run, he doesn't

01:15:14.080 want it.

01:15:14.780 Um, I imagine that he doesn't really want this, that he imagines he would be in a far better

01:15:18.520 position running against anyone other than Donald Trump at the moment, four years from

01:15:22.900 now.

01:15:23.140 It's just a really, uh, bad position to put yourself in.

01:15:26.260 I do think just as a practical matter, Kamala Harris is almost certainly the best candidate

01:15:31.900 for Democrats to run, not because she's uniquely popular or because the polls say so, but because

01:15:36.920 what you want to try to avoid is a really gross, nasty fight that takes a long time to sort

01:15:42.540 out.

01:15:42.860 If you don't have to go have a brokered convention, if Joe Biden can look at his heir apparent

01:15:47.320 and say, you know what, I can't do this, but she can, I believe in her.

01:15:51.200 But that's kind of the best possible way to move forward from here.

01:15:56.280 Um, but given the way things have worked for Democrats and how everything has unfolded

01:16:01.400 to the extent I'm making a prediction, and this isn't, you know, me forecasting, it would

01:16:05.560 be for the worst possible outcome for them.

01:16:07.700 It's a brokered convention.

01:16:09.560 Definitely not Kamala Harris.

01:16:11.460 Joe Biden doesn't endorse her and kind of drags this out even longer than what the current

01:16:15.540 reporting suggests, and someone is sent up who ends up being the sacrificial lamb in

01:16:20.880 November and kind of obliterating their chances maybe of running again in the future.

01:16:26.440 Um, so it just, it's, it's the way things might unfold.

01:16:30.860 I disagree with the right honorable gentleman, uh, from his vacation lair.

01:16:35.040 Um, I think it would be both best for Democrats and best for the country.

01:16:40.020 Um, if they, uh, did exactly Camille's nightmare scenario, which is to put a better spin on

01:16:45.620 it.

01:16:45.880 I think if you run, uh, Joe Biden, he's going to lose.

01:16:49.280 I think if you run Kamala Harris, she's going to lose. 1.00

01:16:52.000 She's a bad politician. 1.00

01:16:53.580 She was failed upward spectacularly throughout her career, but she is just nails on chalkboard

01:16:58.740 to the general population and kind of always has been.

01:17:02.360 So I think what you do is you acknowledge that and you say, that's not good enough just to

01:17:06.480 say, oh, we don't want to piss off certain constituencies within the democratic or like

01:17:10.220 think that we're going to piss them off.

01:17:11.480 It's an assumption, uh, rather than something that they actually know, by the way, um, sort

01:17:15.820 of elites trying to figure out, uh, what this all means.

01:17:19.800 I think instead you say, all right, we got five, six weeks, let's have a competition.

01:17:25.120 Let's have a, uh, let's have a scrum. 0.98

01:17:27.640 Let's make it all super high profile.

01:17:30.120 It's going to attract a lot of attention and, uh, and at the end you'll see, I mean,

01:17:35.180 the Josh Shapiro is a pretty good candidate.

01:17:37.220 You saw his remarks after the Butler assassination and killing, it was great. 1.00

01:17:41.760 Like, that's how, like, uh, you want your executive politicians to act in a moment of high

01:17:47.120 stress like that.

01:17:47.900 That was really a nice job.

01:17:49.060 So go ahead and compete.

01:17:50.620 Maybe someone rises above because I think as much as we've been singing, it sounds like

01:17:55.800 the praises of Donald Trump and the RNC, which was an interesting and compelling performance.

01:18:00.640 And he definitely has had on a, a lucky streak. 0.66

01:18:04.020 Um, you know, as much as you can have having a bullet hit you in the ear.

01:18:07.700 Um, but he's had a streak of good, good political fortune.

01:18:11.500 Um, I, I still think that there is a ceiling on his support.

01:18:15.400 There are things about Donald Trump that people can be reminded of that they don't like.

01:18:19.640 That happened to me watching the, uh, camp, uh, watching yesterday in particular, but

01:18:23.740 watching the RNC, like I don't need to see every member of his family.

01:18:26.840 He has a nepotism issue.

01:18:28.400 He does.

01:18:29.220 Um, he has a lot of people saying like, you know, trying to make him super relatable by

01:18:33.880 saying that, you know, you have the great Donald Trump told me that I had, um, uh, capability

01:18:38.480 and, and, uh, and potential.

01:18:39.880 That is good.

01:18:40.640 That's part of his personality.

01:18:41.540 And that's part of that great ad that you showed there too.

01:18:43.640 But some of it sounds like the great man bestowed me with his attention.

01:18:46.860 It's creepy.

01:18:47.440 I don't like it.

01:18:48.020 I don't like that as an American either.

01:18:49.640 As much as I don't like about people being told what to do.

01:18:51.820 So there's a ceiling.

01:18:53.080 And if you make a good, uh, uh, an actual competition and someone actually rise and

01:18:58.220 wins a competition rather than is the receptacle of what the wise elders tell us who needs to

01:19:04.220 run, then I think you might generate some interest.

01:19:07.480 Certainly more people will be watching and paying attention to such a competition.

01:19:11.520 Make it a reality show.

01:19:12.480 You're running against Donald Trump.

01:19:13.780 You got to come up with something.

01:19:14.960 If they run, she's going to get Democrats used to be fun. 1.00

01:19:18.240 They're not fun.

01:19:18.800 Now they're boring and they're hateful and they're infighting nonstop.

01:19:22.420 Um, here is what Ilana Omar put out.

01:19:27.320 The, the anti-Semite Ilana Omar puts this out, but she's not wrong about some of her points in 0.98

01:19:32.100 this.

01:19:32.880 First, she's mad.

01:19:33.860 She says, I can't tell you how, how shameful it feels to hear all these leaks about what

01:19:38.680 democratic leaders are saying.

01:19:39.980 And to not have a single one of them out here confirming or denying it.

01:19:45.440 She's right about that. 0.99

01:19:48.500 Pelosi, Schumer, um, Hakeem Jeffries, now Barack Obama, you know, where are their balls? 0.98

01:19:57.240 She says, it's a lack of leadership and it's making all Democrats look bad. 0.98

01:20:01.340 And whatever this mess leads to will not undo the damage that has already been inflicted.

01:20:07.520 May God help us all.

01:20:09.220 Can I tell you, I think she's hitting exactly the right tone. 0.98

01:20:11.860 Where are the balls? 0.98

01:20:13.300 Like they're just worried. 0.99

01:20:14.300 I guess about that point we made at the top, which is he's prickly and you can't force him

01:20:19.060 out.

01:20:19.460 You know what?

01:20:20.220 You can, because you've got the in good conscience clause that will allow the delegates to separate

01:20:25.640 from him.

01:20:26.500 Like just step it.

01:20:28.500 Why are we all pretending he's fine?

01:20:30.420 And it just has to be his decision.

01:20:32.720 Why isn't it my decision?

01:20:34.240 He needs to go.

01:20:35.480 I don't want to be governed by this infirm man. 1.00

01:20:38.120 And I don't want him having power over my children's wellness, whether it's with the

01:20:43.320 nuclear football or the draft, whatever it is.

01:20:46.640 The big buzz that I was hearing among some of my Republican friends at the convention

01:20:50.360 was, do you think Biden's got the nuclear football right now or it's back in D.C.?

01:20:56.680 Like it's not with him in Delaware or is it with.

01:20:59.240 And, you know, it's a great question.

01:21:00.740 Who does have the nuclear football right now?

01:21:02.860 Who do we want to have the nuclear football right now? 0.99

01:21:05.100 And what does that say about the current state of our president?

01:21:09.120 Yeah.

01:21:09.520 You know, the long, the longer this goes on, the worse it gets for Democrats and certainly

01:21:14.340 for the Democratic leadership who have just been talking out of two sides of their mouths

01:21:18.680 and who are dutifully leaking this stuff to the press. 0.99

01:21:21.940 I mean, I don't know if we'll have you tell me, Camille, where are the balls? 0.98

01:21:26.020 I don't have any idea. 0.92

01:21:27.140 I'm not sure why they imagine playing this game is actually good for them.

01:21:30.160 This is absolutely abysmal.

01:21:32.580 Right.

01:21:33.100 I just like I realize there's not necessarily a party elder who can just go in there and

01:21:37.460 arrest it away from from Joe Biden.

01:21:39.240 But if you're going to take him out, you know, do the coup like I understand why people

01:21:43.000 use that word.

01:21:44.020 Then what is it like?

01:21:45.720 You don't want to be seen as a coup leader.

01:21:47.900 You want to be loved and you want to look like I was totally team Joe.

01:21:53.060 It's just the covid.

01:21:54.620 The vid took him out.

01:21:56.160 It's so sad.

01:21:57.260 And people are supposed to believe that, Matt.

01:21:59.320 Like, what's the long game of these people sticking the knife in behind the scenes?

01:22:03.160 I mean, at this point, what Democrats use as their kind of truth tellers are James Carville

01:22:09.140 and Bill Maher.

01:22:10.880 That's not great.

01:22:11.740 I like both those guys.

01:22:13.200 But also, they are not elected politicians.

01:22:16.400 They are people who self-evidently speak their minds.

01:22:20.200 And that is so rare, seeming, among the Democratic coalition.

01:22:23.900 That shouldn't be rare.

01:22:25.260 Right.

01:22:25.460 That's just sort of a normal thing.

01:22:26.780 You should be able to blurt out honestly.

01:22:28.680 In fact, that was at some point seen as an advantage of Joe Biden.

01:22:32.800 Remember, he blurted out in support of gay marriage as he was vice president.

01:22:36.560 I think it was pretty stage managed.

01:22:38.160 But whatever he was, you know, he would just have things come out.

01:22:41.020 It just wouldn't necessarily always be as helpful to my point of view as that particular

01:22:46.280 one was.

01:22:47.060 But you don't have these sort of blunt truth tellers.

01:22:50.320 The rise of Bill Clinton in the 90s and the sort of third way Democrats that was supposed

01:22:54.580 to be kind of that lane.

01:22:56.480 Right.

01:22:56.900 They were going to tell the new truths to the old kind of labor union Democrats that,

01:23:02.440 hey, look, you can't just spend money forever.

01:23:04.700 You can't ignore crime.

01:23:06.480 You can't ignore illegal immigration. 0.93

01:23:08.500 Go back and read the 1996 Democratic platform at that convention.

01:23:13.380 That would make Donald Trump blush with how restrictionist it was.

01:23:17.160 It wouldn't actually.

01:23:18.360 He's incapable of blushing.

01:23:19.600 But you get the idea.

01:23:21.480 They they had this sort of sense of I mean, some of it, I'm sure, was, you know, triangulating

01:23:25.960 and it was kind of pandering in its own way.

01:23:28.300 But it was also to kind of like prick those little bubbles of of like, let's stop pretending

01:23:34.680 that X and Y are not true.

01:23:37.140 Democrats don't really have that character at all.

01:23:40.020 I guess it's John Fetterman.

01:23:41.120 Right.

01:23:41.540 John Fetterman has that ability.

01:23:42.860 If he ran for president, Trump would be in for it.

01:23:45.160 That would be a totally fascinating contest.

01:23:46.700 That actually would be an interesting race.

01:23:48.000 Boy, he's changed so much.

01:23:49.580 Let's let me tell you this, Chris Coons, who is, you know, as as Benji Sarlin of Semaphore

01:23:55.040 put it as as close as it gets to messaging from inside the White House.

01:24:01.900 He's a top Biden ally.

01:24:03.900 And he at an event in Colorado today said Joe Biden is weighing who the best candidate to

01:24:12.100 beat Trump is.

01:24:13.440 Well, I am confident he is hearing what he needs to hear from colleagues and from the

01:24:19.500 public, you know, more and more.

01:24:22.120 And as this happens, you get Joe Biden's campaign just issuing a statement saying they cannot

01:24:26.800 wait to get out there next week.

01:24:29.840 They they're so excited to get back on the campaign trail, you know, setting dates.

01:24:36.000 Right.

01:24:36.340 Like, I look forward to getting back on the campaign trail next week to continue exposing

01:24:39.840 the threat of Donald Trump's project 2025.

01:24:41.340 I read it earlier.

01:24:42.820 My team for kicks did pull some of the DeSantis and the Haley stuff.

01:24:46.960 OK, this is a reminder.

01:24:48.020 And all of this is unusual, but these are also primaries is kind of still primary season

01:24:53.740 for the Democrats.

01:24:54.340 So it's it's relevant.

01:24:57.760 Normally, when you're at the general election phase, no one's dropping out because you wait

01:25:02.200 until election day and you find out who won and who lost.

01:25:05.020 You know, I said on Twitter last night, is this is this the first election?

01:25:08.200 You know, anyone can remember where one candidate is beating the other so badly that the other

01:25:12.500 candidate drops out before election day?

01:25:14.180 Like, it just waves the white flag and says, it's over.

01:25:17.100 I realize we're going to cut our losses, try to sub in a new candidate.

01:25:19.900 I've never remembered such a thing.

01:25:21.420 OK, so listen here just for kicks.

01:25:24.140 Ron DeSantis dropped out on January.

01:25:28.300 Oh, OK.

01:25:29.600 So keep in mind, he dropped out on January 21st, 2024.

01:25:34.160 And now listen to these remarks in the days prior to that.

01:25:36.980 If you don't finish second in Iowa, there's going to be pressure for you to bow out of

01:25:42.340 the race.

01:25:42.700 Would you do that?

01:25:43.620 We're going to we're going to we're going to take Iowa.

01:25:45.920 I'm not worried about that.

01:25:47.260 We're in this for the long haul and we're built for the long haul.

01:25:49.660 Not dropping out of this race tonight or tomorrow.

01:25:51.900 No matter what.

01:25:52.480 We're going we're going this one's January.

01:25:54.280 We've been built for the long haul.

01:25:55.960 It's all about the accumulation of delegates.

01:25:58.320 Even if you come in third place tonight, there's no chance your campaign is dropping out.

01:26:01.780 Is that what you're saying?

01:26:02.400 There's no chance for the long haul.

01:26:03.960 We're going to do well.

01:26:04.840 I know the media likes to do the speculation.

01:26:07.120 I'm excited.

01:26:07.720 I'm excited.

01:26:08.780 I'm excited for the votes to come in because that'll be the first real data point.

01:26:13.200 Is there any way Ron DeSantis drops out before the end of March?

01:26:16.680 Look, my my goal is to is to win the nomination.

01:26:21.920 I told my people this from the very beginning.

01:26:24.160 I don't want to be VP.

01:26:25.340 I don't want to be in the cabinet.

01:26:26.660 I don't want a TV show.

01:26:28.860 I'm I'm I'm in it to win it.

01:26:30.620 Are you in through the end of March?

01:26:32.560 Do you have the money and the staff and the ability to compete through the end of March?

01:26:37.120 Yes.

01:26:37.540 I'm not.

01:26:37.980 A hundred percent.

01:26:39.340 That was January 18th.

01:26:40.780 He dropped out January 21st.

01:26:42.480 I mean, this is how and I'll give you Nikki Haley.

01:26:45.960 All right.

01:26:46.180 Just as a reminder, here's Nikki Haley.

01:26:48.720 She dropped out March 6th.

01:26:51.080 You're going to hear her first January if she lost New Hampshire, then February if she

01:26:55.060 lost South Carolina.

01:26:55.900 And then the last one will be March 5th, Super Tuesday.

01:26:58.160 And she dropped out the very next day after the last soundbite here.

01:27:02.580 Now, you've all heard the chatter among the political class.

01:27:06.980 They're falling all over themselves saying this race is over.

01:27:13.240 Well, I have news for all of them.

01:27:16.900 New Hampshire is first in the nation.

01:27:20.460 It is not the last in the nation.

01:27:22.680 This race is far from over.

01:27:26.160 I said earlier this week that no matter what happens in South Carolina, I would continue

01:27:31.620 to run for president.

01:27:33.180 I'm a woman of my word.

01:27:36.180 I am filled with the gratitude for the outpouring of support we've received from all across our

01:27:41.820 great country.

01:27:43.020 But the time has now come to suspend my campaign.

01:27:46.900 I have no regrets.

01:27:50.340 Okay.

01:27:51.580 Just a reminder, they all sound completely bullish on their chances and their longevity

01:27:58.800 and staying in until the moment they say, peace, I'm out of here.

01:28:04.200 So we're on, forgive me, but it's kind of like a death watch, not an actual death, but campaign

01:28:08.660 death watch right now.

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01:29:11.880 All right, we're going to kick it off with Steve in New York.

01:29:17.480 Steve, thanks for calling in.

01:29:18.960 What'd you think last night?

01:29:19.860 I thought the intro where he started, his speech was great.

01:29:24.520 The empathy and all that, he did ramble on quite a bit, but the reaction I've heard is

01:29:32.120 that the Democrats, they're so deranged, they're just going to hit abortion with J.D.

01:29:36.500 Vance. 0.96

01:29:37.040 It's wild.

01:29:38.380 I think they just don't know what they're doing. 0.99

01:29:40.600 They're crazy. 0.82

01:29:42.120 Do you want Joe Biden to drop out? 0.58

01:29:44.060 I don't know.

01:29:48.140 I don't think either way they've got much of a chance, honestly.

01:29:52.300 But, you know, we've got to stay focused.

01:29:54.220 It was interesting at the convention, you guys, that Trump and all the other speakers,

01:29:56.520 they did shift from mentioning Biden.

01:29:58.740 Trump said, I'm not going to speak his name, and he spoke it once or twice.

01:30:01.300 But they were very much more focused on Democrats and their policies, which is the smart move,

01:30:07.440 right?

01:30:07.660 Like, don't make it about Biden because they don't know who he's running against at this point.

01:30:11.340 Yeah, they did talk a lot about Kamala Harris and her job, particularly at the border.

01:30:20.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:20.600 Throughout the convention.

01:30:22.340 They're going to, we'll be hearing a lot about her as the borders are if she becomes the nominee. 0.91

01:30:26.540 Let's go down to Texas, from New York to Texas, and we'll talk to our friend Leanne.

01:30:31.260 Leanne, what's on your mind?

01:30:32.740 Hi, thank you so much.

01:30:34.560 It's awesome to hear you.

01:30:35.920 I just wanted to say it was so refreshing to see his family because for the last three or four years,

01:30:40.700 all we've heard are all these bad things.

01:30:42.740 And it was nice to kind of re-meet his family.

01:30:45.420 And there's, you know, so I was pleasantly surprised, and I really enjoyed it.

01:30:49.280 Take that, Matt Welsh.

01:30:50.700 She liked seeing the family.

01:30:52.180 She didn't think it was a nepotism issue.

01:30:54.420 She delighted in it.

01:30:55.340 I love seeing the kids, especially the grandkids, the one who was obviously too tired to be awake and doing all of that.

01:31:02.640 But, no, it's more of Eric and Don Jr., and Laura has a reason to be there, but it's a little bit embarrassing, from my point of view, that she's the head of the RNC.

01:31:14.160 Like, it's daughter-in-law.

01:31:16.360 I don't like to be reminded of how he-

01:31:17.680 She's co-chair of the RNC.

01:31:19.460 She's co-chair, which does matter.

01:31:21.460 But she's doing her piece of the RNC work the way you'd want somebody to do it.

01:31:25.040 Like, I actually spoke to a former head of the RNC about this, and this person was like, it actually makes perfect sense to me, because, you know, the other guy, forgive me, I can't remember his name right now, but he can do all sort of the technical stuff.

01:31:34.160 And she can go out there and raise enthusiasm and raise, you know, money and donor and all that.

01:31:39.160 In any event, got it.

01:31:40.800 You didn't want to see fellow Trump members out there.

01:31:43.640 But Leanne disagrees.

01:31:45.160 Matt, let's go to Nevada, where Trump is leading six points, seven points, depends on the poll.

01:31:51.560 It's pretty crazy.

01:31:53.160 And David, David, what's on your mind?

01:31:56.500 Hello, ma'am.

01:31:57.160 Thank you for having me.

01:31:58.520 I don't want Joe Biden to drop out.

01:32:02.020 I want him to see it through, because if he drops out, they're going to canonize him, and I will not be able to take the coverage of how great he's been for 50 years for the next six months.

01:32:15.160 Fair enough.

01:32:16.720 Gentlemen, David's got a good point, does he not?

01:32:19.040 It's already starting.

01:32:20.040 They're, like, teasing him with it. 0.83

01:32:21.540 You know, you could be the messiah, or you could be the evil devil.

01:32:24.900 Like, it's up to you.

01:32:27.060 I mean, my sense is that the Trump campaign certainly doesn't want him to drop out.

01:32:31.020 They want him to stay as long as possible.

01:32:33.160 Oh, they're like, coo.

01:32:34.500 It's a coo.

01:32:35.340 This is deeply wrong.

01:32:37.800 Yes, I agree.

01:32:38.600 Okay, thank you for calling in.

01:32:39.660 Kurt in Florida.

01:32:41.260 Hey, Kurt, what'd you think of last night?

01:32:42.440 Hey, Megan.

01:32:43.700 Yeah, I ended up halfway through Trump's speech, turning it off and going to bed, because I thought that was a better use of my time.

01:32:51.380 So I would say I really wish Trump would have spoken more to the haters.

01:32:59.800 And when I say that, he could have done two things. 0.78

01:33:02.800 Number one, refuted a lot of the garbage out there and made himself kind of look more magnanimous is maybe the wrong word.

01:33:10.580 But I think he should have said, look, I want to talk right now for the next couple minutes to the people who think the shooter missed or were mad that the shooter missed.

01:33:20.280 Because there was a lot of stuff on social media.

01:33:23.360 And he should have said, he should have said, look, and he would have got booze from the crowd, you know, blah, blah.

01:33:29.880 And I would have said, look, don't feel, don't be mad at them.

01:33:32.880 Don't hate them. 1.00

01:33:33.960 There are a lot of useful idiots out there. 1.00

01:33:36.100 A lot of people have been lied to for eight years. 1.00

01:33:38.600 And I'll just speak to a couple of the lies.

01:33:41.800 He could have briefly reminded people about Charlottesville, about the whole bloodbath thing, and said, look, for those of you who hate me, I think it's misplaced.

01:33:54.200 And he could have really hammered the narrative if he had done it the right way and addressed several of the misinformation issues out there.

01:34:03.920 I just I kind of think he missed it.

01:34:05.880 I think, you know, it probably didn't want to be defensive.

01:34:09.580 I'm sure he was instructed to try to be right, more positive and forward looking.

01:34:14.660 But Trump has a general, you know, instinct to go defensive.

01:34:20.000 They said, I did this, you know, and I take your point.

01:34:23.320 I want to get to Megan.

01:34:25.200 She's in Oregon.

01:34:26.280 Megan in Oregon.

01:34:27.860 Tell us what your thoughts are.

01:34:29.280 Um, I am a registered Republican here in Oregon, and I am the one school counselor in our school district here.

01:34:42.900 OK, and and what did you think?

01:34:46.920 Oh, I thought it was amazing.

01:34:49.600 And I was wanted to comment on the DSM comment that everybody is wanting to say Trump has a narcissistic personality disorder.

01:34:58.880 And but he cares about us.

01:35:02.200 And if you look at it, I would want to see him in a therapy session.

01:35:05.600 But I doubt highly he is trying to do malice to this country.

01:35:09.800 And I hate that my profession is.

01:35:14.560 Looked at is only one sided.

01:35:17.280 And I'm heartbroken at that because it's.

01:35:21.120 All of the citizens that are listening to these lies and they're getting manipulated by what some people want to say is mental health when it's it's not.

01:35:34.560 And I'm watching some of the kids in the transgender and I'm just passionate about it.

01:35:39.520 And I live in a heavily blue state.

01:35:41.900 And so I was a good fight.

01:35:44.540 That's that's not an easy battle.

01:35:46.480 Listen, I got to wrap it because we're coming to the end of the show.

01:35:48.340 But thank you for what you do and stand strong.

01:35:50.980 You're not alone.

01:35:51.680 You might be alone in your more right leaning politics in Oregon.

01:35:55.520 But there are millions and millions around the country who have your back.

01:35:58.880 Guys, what about that?

01:35:59.920 You know, I kind of gave some thought to Trump and for sure he's self-promotional in the minute we have left.

01:36:05.280 But I think as president, we saw a guy who whether he was doing it because he wanted his legacy to be great or because he loved America, it was kind of irrelevant to me.

01:36:13.800 And he when he's in there, he wants to cut good deals that help us and what the particular motive for it is never really much mattered to me.

01:36:23.000 Am I wrong?

01:36:23.460 I mean, I think especially last night, the fact that he didn't spend a lot of time on the defensive trying to defend his own record, he was talking in mostly hopeful and optimistic ways about what he might be able to do for the country, certainly didn't come across as overtly narcissistic last night.

01:36:41.880 So I think that those two callers, it's an interesting juxtaposition that I don't think that it's a huge issue, at least in terms of the presentation that.

01:36:53.800 Yeah, it's like Dr. Laura always says, just do the right thing.

01:36:57.020 If he does the right thing, I don't really care why he's doing the right thing.

01:37:00.080 You guys always do the right thing.

01:37:01.340 And that's coming to show and bring your witty, insightful commentary.

01:37:06.460 What do we know if Moynihan, do we have we had proof of life?

01:37:09.260 I haven't seen any.

01:37:11.460 I assume death.

01:37:14.340 Terrible.

01:37:16.620 He's at first class throwing back clock tails.

01:37:19.080 I'm sure it's fine.

01:37:19.540 You know, he totally is.

01:37:20.820 He's probably listening to us somehow right now.

01:37:22.820 Thank you, guys.

01:37:23.580 Great to see you both.

01:37:25.180 Good to see you, Megan.

01:37:26.600 All right.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 19, 2024

Trump's Emotional Closing to RNC, and Democrats in Chaos as They Push Biden Out, with Kmele Foster and Matt Welch ｜ Ep. 842

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